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15:48.20prpplaguekergoth: morning crack baby
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16:05.23mindfunktsowell: minicom will take a dfl file as a param...
16:05.47mindfunktsowell: you might want to modify the nightly.py script to run minicom on com2
16:05.57mindfunktsowell: or make it an option
16:06.02mindfunktsowell: in the config
16:06.14tsowellwill do
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16:10.12Philipanyone here do c++ on omap board?
16:13.18prpplaguePhilip: quite a few ppl doing c/c++ on arm platforms with omap specific here
16:13.34prpplaguePhilip: most of the ppl here are at work so you make have to wait for a response
16:16.24mindfunktsowell: how far have you gotton with the hw agent?
16:16.43tsowellI sent you an email describing the testing I've done
16:16.50mindfunkWingnut: do you still have a lot of open TQ bugs to file?
16:16.56mindfunkoh...
16:17.00Wingnutyes
16:17.12mindfunkWingnut: pls open them
16:17.29WingnutMarco will be sending me the list of bugs I gave him, I'll submit more once I've finished with ClearCase
16:17.30mindfunkWingnut: it does effect the management assessment of the tool...
16:17.58mindfunkWingnut: send marco email and try to get the list today
16:18.29mindfunkWingnut: the negative TQ view is starting to make it's way up the ladder... at least that is my impression
16:20.18mindfunktsowell or Wingnut: pls tell chandrika to watch this channel... this is more important since I now have to walk farther to talk to her... and I don't necessarily need to interrupt you guys to do so
16:20.29Wingnutk
16:27.20prpplagueif any of you guys know an arm developer in the DFW area that might be interested in a BSP job let me know
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16:31.47tsowell_mindfunk: the X10 switch is on ttyS1..
16:32.33mindfunktsowell_: hrm... the x10 can act as an adapter....
16:32.44mindfunkthis is unproven for our use though
16:32.50tsowell_hmm
16:33.19mindfunkthe change needs to be made to the script in any case though
16:33.40tsowell_okay.  should there also be a config flag for the port that the X10 switch is on?
16:33.45mindfunk]even  if we have to get a usb2rs232 adapter for it
16:33.54mindfunkWingnut: do those work with linux?
16:34.03mindfunkWingnut: can you research that...
16:34.08prpplagueusb->rs232 ?
16:34.15mindfunkyeah
16:34.21prpplaguemindfunk: yea they work
16:34.34mindfunkcool
16:34.35prpplaguemindfunk: however their is an inherint flaw in the control lines
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16:34.52mindfunkwill that prevent us from talking to minicom?
16:35.01mindfunks/mincom/uboot
16:35.03mindfunksorry
16:35.09prpplaguemindfunk: doing any type of output control like doing cr->lf conversion doesn't work properly
16:35.36mindfunkthat might prevent us from using it then...
16:35.43prpplaguemindfunk: should be able to work with minicom , its the device on the other end that might be and issue
16:35.53mindfunkright...
16:35.58mindfunkI meant uboot
16:36.01tsowell_we could get a PCI serial I/O card with like 4 ports
16:36.15mindfunktsowell_: that was the original plan
16:36.32mindfunktsowell_: I was hoping the usb2serial would eliminate that need
16:36.38prpplaguemindfunk: yea, i wouldn't suggest using a usb->rs-232 for debugging
16:37.12mindfunkok...
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16:37.21prpplaguemindfunk: not all pci rs-232 cards are supported under linux either
16:37.52prpplaguemindfunk: you may need to recompile your kernel with a new driver for the card
16:38.03mindfunkthat's fine
16:38.17mindfunkrecompilation is not an issue...
16:38.29prpplaguemindfunk: the one using the startech chipset works pretty well
16:38.40mindfunkgot a link?
16:39.25prpplaguehttp://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=237161
16:39.26mindfunkit's a shame, usb devices would be much better to work with
16:39.28mindfunkthanks
16:39.31prpplaguenp
16:39.49mindfunks/better/easier
16:40.10mindfunkwow... that's cheap
16:40.27prpplaguemindfunk: agreed, RMK and linux have been arguing of the best way to fix the usb issue for literally years
16:40.35prpplagues/linux/linus
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16:41.01mindfunkprpplague: does it work on windows?
16:41.06mindfunkMK
16:41.11mindfunk~RMK
16:41.12jbotit has been said that rmk is Russell M. King, arm-linux maintainer, http://www.arm.linux.org.uk or ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/source/kernel-patches/v2.4/.  THE developer of ARM Linux
16:41.24prpplaguemindfunk: i could not say
16:41.54mindfunkk... that would be motivation to fix it though... ;)
16:42.36mindfunkloki1228_: a lot of them will run in crossover....
16:42.46prpplagueagreed, i did some hacking to solve my specific issue with the usb->rs232 but would never have been accepted as a patch
16:42.55mindfunkloki1228_: you need any hw?
16:43.04prpplagueloki1228_: i only run native linux apps
16:43.26loki1228_prpplague: ah
16:43.30prpplagueloki1228_: i support linux both in spirit and with my wallet
16:43.34Wingnutmindfunk: the current usb->rs232 cable we have is working with uboot
16:43.40loki1228_mindfunk: hw == hardware?
16:44.01prpplagueWingnut: must not be using in output translation
16:44.29mindfunkloki1228_: yeah
16:44.37tsowell_Wingnut: only under windows
16:44.38mindfunkWingnut: on windows?
16:44.44loki1228_mindfunk: sure, what do you have?
16:45.01mindfunk;)
16:45.02Wingnutduh
16:45.14Wingnutyeah, that cable works in windows so far, not sure about Linux
16:45.28prpplagueWingnut: which chipset is it based on?
16:45.34tsowell_I think we should try it on finwe
16:45.34Wingnutyou can get another one from Akash and see if it works
16:45.38Wingnutdunno
16:46.33mindfunktsowell_: I trust prpplague's assessment, but try away if you have the cycles...
16:46.35prpplagueWingnut: if its pl2303 based, which about 75% are, it works under linux, just has a problem with output translation
16:47.06mindfunkprpplague: is it possible to filter this?
16:47.06Wingnutright, I've experienced that with UPSes
16:48.19prpplaguemindfunk: well, the easiest is to just make sure that your tty settings are for no "opost" or "-opost"
16:48.35mindfunkthat simple?
16:48.35prpplaguemindfunk: which gives you raw output with no translations
16:48.50tsowell_mindfunk: can we connect an H4 to finwe?
16:48.52prpplagueyea, problem is alot of devices expect cr+lf
16:48.54mindfunkthat might fake out expect though
16:48.56Wingnutmindfunk: does uboot need special control characters?
16:48.56tsowell_mindfunk: or may we?
16:49.07mindfunktsowell_: I'm using the 1710 all day...
16:49.13tsowell_mindfunk: k
16:49.23mindfunkWingnut: I would think so...
16:49.54mindfunkWingnut: you got a link for your adapter?
16:49.59prpplaguemindfunk: if you have control of atleast one end of the connection, you should be able to make something work
16:50.08prpplaguei/souce code
16:50.33tsowell_prpplague: is the problem only with cr+lf? or control characters in general?
16:50.51prpplaguetsowell_: well the problem is "translation" in general
16:51.13prpplaguetsowell_: i.e. if you tell the serial driver that when it sees a cr come through, change it to cr+lf
16:51.38prpplaguetsowell_: as long as you are doing one to one transmissions, no problems
16:51.47mindfunkprpplague: is that a terminal setting in minicom?
16:51.48prpplaguetsowell_: cr in, cr out
16:51.51WingnutI don't think we want any translation
16:52.03prpplaguemindfunk: thats controlable in minicom
16:52.11prpplaguemindfunk: man stty for some details
16:52.17prpplaguemindfunk: opost section
16:52.21mindfunkk
16:52.39mindfunktsowell_: you want to come experiment with this?
16:52.58tsowell_sure, gimme a few minutes though
16:53.02prpplaguedid you find the make of the usb adapter?
16:53.55prpplaguehey and if any of you know an arm devr whos looking for a job, send them my way
16:54.13Wingnutprpplague: one sec
16:54.35mindfunkprpplague: do you have a card recomendation for >2 serial ports?
16:54.56prpplaguemindfunk: actual startech makes upto 4 iirc
16:55.01mindfunkok
16:55.05tsowell_that's when it starts to get expensive though
16:55.07prpplaguetry their we site
16:55.09mindfunktight
16:55.12mindfunkright
16:55.15Wingnutcyclades has had linux support for a while
16:55.24tsowell_from what I've seen, it may be cheaper to get two 2-ports than one 4-port
16:55.31prpplagueyea
16:55.38mindfunktsowell_: over time, we may need more
16:55.56mindfunkbill has already been "prepared" to spend money on that
16:56.21tsowell_yeah, don't want to run out of PCI slots
16:56.36prpplagueif you know you need alot of ports for experimentation, might want to consider getting a *cough* digiboard
16:56.58mindfunkheh... http://www.startech.com/ststore/itemdetail.cfm?ProductID=NETRS232_4&mt=
16:57.02kergoth_blehh
16:57.26tsowell_wow
16:57.40prpplagueyikes that expensive
16:57.53Wingnutprpplague: Cypress Semiconductor chip, VID=04b4, device=5500
16:57.54mindfunkright... but it's cool
16:58.08prpplagueyou could make that with an old mb and linux
16:58.22mindfunktrue
16:58.45Wingnutthey have single chip solutions for that now IIRC
16:58.52mindfunkyeah... get some $100 P1 with lot's of PCI
16:59.48Wingnuthttp://www.mail-archive.com/linux-usb-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg12567.html
17:01.02prpplagueWingnut: yea just found that on linux-usb.org
17:01.09mindfunksomeone needs to verify that
17:02.33prpplaguemindfunk: check the actual make and model of the adapter,
17:02.44prpplaguemindfunk: should be able to verifiy on the drivers page
17:03.10mindfunkI want to see it work before I don't order the digiboard
17:03.36prpplaguemindfunk: hehe, and when you have problems with the digiboard, be sure and call kergoth
17:03.43mindfunkheh
17:03.55mindfunkkergoth_: comments on the digiboard?
17:04.18WingnutI've seen Digi boards work well with SCO...
17:04.19prpplaguemindfunk: hehe, he hack the linux driver
17:04.41prpplaguemindfunk: http://www.embedded586.com/epc/ts5700-spec-h.html
17:04.54prpplaguemindfunk: take that puppy and put linux on it, your rockin
17:05.14mindfunkWingnut: send me a link to your usb->rs232 adapter
17:05.16kergoth_mindfunk: heh, i worked for digi for 3 years in unix tech support
17:06.00mindfunksweet
17:06.56kergoth_prpplague: speaking of digi, i talked to jeanne the other day.  apparently ibm wrote a new driver for the Neo boards and its going into 2.6 upstream.  glad to see _someone_ doing such things finally
17:07.00kergoth_heh
17:07.56mindfunkWingnut && tsowell_ && loki1228: lunch?
17:08.21prpplaguekergoth_: cool
17:08.39prpplaguekergoth_: i really wish abcs had gotten their act together
17:09.01prpplaguekergoth_: we had sooooo many products that would have been (and are) big sellers
17:09.29mindfunk~pester tsowell_
17:09.31jbottsowell_: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet?
17:09.31prpplaguekergoth_: do you remember back in 2000 when i was in nassau doing that ibm pos workstation port for linux?
17:09.35tsowell_sup?
17:09.46mindfunklunch?
17:09.50tsowell_aye!
17:10.02mindfunkgather the troops and head on over...
17:10.11tsowell_on our way
17:11.08prpplaguekergoth_: well most my code ended up here http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2025313308.html
17:11.49kergoth_heh, cool.
17:12.02kergoth_i'll never be able to understand the pricing of pos devices.  the markup boggles the mind
17:12.28kergoth_~monday
17:12.29jbotmonday is probably when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix
17:12.34prpplaguekergoth_: yea, its cool that the port is being used, not so cool that abcs total pissed away the opportunity to sell it
17:13.21prpplaguekergoth_: it totally bums me out when i see that
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18:47.48mindfunkred rover, red rover, let tsowell_ come over
18:48.04tsowell_omw
18:48.55mindfunk~db9
18:48.57jbotDB9 is a serial jack. Learn it, dude.
18:49.05mindfunk~rs232
18:49.07jboti heard rs232 is R2-D2's father
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19:12.46tsowell_Wingnut: did you find out what chipset the USB to serial converter uses?
19:13.27Wingnutsome cypress chipset
19:21.50Wingnutmuahahah!
19:22.16WingnutWinCE team is moving a victim into one of our cubes
19:22.18Wingnuterr
19:22.24Wingnuts/victim/developer
19:33.58tsowell_hehe.. are we going to flip coin for said developer?
19:34.09WingnutBrian / Chandrika get him
19:34.18Wingnutwe're keeping the space for the test boards
19:36.12Philipanyone know much about dl'ing and booting your own kernel on an OSK?
19:39.08WingnutI've used tftp to boot different kernels
19:39.19Philiphey
19:39.27Wingnuthi
19:39.29Philipdo you need to copy into flash before booting?
19:39.36Wingnutyes
19:39.39Philipheh
19:39.59PhilipSo if I load the the kernel into SDRAM then boot from three
19:40.05Wingnutgenerally, just specify 'tftp 10c00000' at teh uboot command line
19:40.07PhilipI uncompress over top of myself?
19:40.25PhilipI have the kernel in RAM
19:40.26Wingnutload it high into SRAM, you don't want to decompress over itself
19:40.36Philiphmm
19:40.41PhilipI see
19:40.56Philipafter it decompresses it frees the RAM?
19:41.15Wingnutdon't know
19:41.22Philipok
19:41.43prpplaguei always used jtag to put my stuff into the innovator
19:42.10Philipwe don't have one of them :)
19:42.36PhilipI am better than I was
19:42.57Philipno it says uncompressing as opposed to illegal instruction :)
19:43.25Wingnut:)
19:44.39prpplaguePhilip: "we dont have one of them" ?
19:45.19PhilipJTAG
19:45.39prpplagueoh why not?
19:45.48prpplagueyou can build one for about $15.00
19:46.15PhilipI am just figuring this stuff out
19:47.08prpplaguei'd planning getting out
19:47.19Philip?
19:49.10prpplaguemuch easier to do debugging as well as if you have unbrick the device
19:49.57Philipsounds like I need to figure out JTAG :)
19:50.12Philipwe are just working with the starter kit right now
19:55.18prpplaguejust saying to do long term support for a device, you really need to have some jtag utils
19:55.47Philipwe are in grad school :)
19:55.56Philipand we also got this piece of hw last week
20:01.48prpplagueahh, then you definetly need to learn jtag
20:01.50prpplague:D
20:02.13prpplaguePhilip: i sure won;t hire you to do embedded work with out knowing jtag :)
20:03.12Philipright now I am trying to figure out how the memory is mapped
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20:18.19swartmi
20:18.50swartmindfunk:  I have test case demo with Bill between 3.30 to 4.00
20:25.35PhilipI am trying to boot an ew kernel with the OSK board
20:26.00Philipbut I get the UNcompressing Linux message and a bunch of dots, to the right edge of the window
20:26.12Philipthen a CR and nothing
20:26.25PhilipISO 9001? hide under your desk
20:26.25mindfunkloki1228: ya don't have "the bob's" top back you up....
20:26.54loki1228mindfunk: they don't have to know that
20:26.58mindfunkI'm wondering how many people will be sick or wfh on those days
20:27.18mindfunkloki1228: actually, they are more like "the bobs"....
20:27.47loki1228very true
20:33.17prpplaguePhilip: probably need to looking to using the printascii function to help debug
20:33.34mindfunktsowell_: 26-28th
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20:40.56Wingnutmindfunk: that usb->serial converter doesn't work with 2420 console
20:41.10mindfunkwhy?
20:41.20Wingnutprints garbage to the screen
20:41.47mindfunkthat's not what it is supposed to do?
20:42.05mindfunkWingnut: this is with windows right?
20:43.19Wingnutcorrect in both answers
20:43.25Wingnuts/in/for
20:43.41WingnutI don't have a Linux box over here
20:45.29Wingnutand the 1710 also breaks the converter
20:47.48WingnutIMHO, I'd rather use a usb->serial converter on the console port instead of on the TQ hardware for a while (until I can verify the hardware)
20:48.30mindfunkWingnut: ?? I thought you said it worked with windows?
20:48.55Wingnuton the HW agent side
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20:49.44mindfunkah...  but you cannot talk to uboot with whatever terminal emulator you are using?
20:49.51mindfunkI thought you said you could
20:49.58Wingnutno
20:50.10Wingnutdidn't have a chance to try it
20:50.22Wingnutuntil about 5 mins ago
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21:09.00mindfunkglytch: yo
21:09.08glytchhey kiddo
21:09.09glytch(:
21:09.18mindfunkhow goes it?
21:09.53mindfunkAny word on making you a TIer yet?
21:09.57glytchlol
21:09.59glytchof course not
21:10.05mindfunkshould ask...
21:10.24mindfunkyou still working on nav... or the new project
21:10.25mindfunk?
21:10.32kergoth_hey glytch
21:10.33mindfunkjose was over here last week...
21:11.04mindfunksaid the "new thing" may run inferno or nucleus...
21:11.14mindfunkbut linux was not certain...
21:11.39glytchnav is supposed to be code freezing today
21:11.52mindfunkdoes it work?
21:12.02mindfunksomeone told me that it shipped...
21:12.13mindfunkI saw danny faught this weekend...
21:12.27mindfunkhe didn't tell me that though
21:12.35mindfunkI think martin taylor did
21:12.40glytchmindfunk yeah it... works..
21:12.42glytchkinda
21:12.43glytchsometimes
21:12.44glytchheh
21:12.46glytchit's a pos
21:12.51mindfunk:)
21:13.24glytchnew platform... i have no idea what they are doing
21:13.29glytchhaven't heard anything about it in weeks
21:13.51mindfunkyou should go talk to jose... he said that he wanted to try and get you on the project
21:14.10mindfunkhe also said it probably would not be color... which was a big letdown
21:14.18mindfunkand a mistake, IMHO
21:14.56mindfunkit's more "SPOT" than "PET"....
21:16.27mindfunkWingnut loki1228 tsowell swart : only 4 of the 6 spaces over there are ours...
21:16.48mindfunkaparently, 1 cube == 3 spaces
21:16.57mindfunkjust be prepared
21:16.58glytchif it's not color... it should be very sharp grayscale
21:17.07mindfunkright...
21:17.22mindfunkbut nothing makes it unique, w/o color
21:19.19tsowellmindfunk: a third person is going to have to sit closer than 1 ft away from the static mat.
21:20.11mindfunktsowell: right
21:20.28mindfunkthat would probably be after the audit though'
21:20.35tsowellhehe, yeah
21:20.40mindfunknot that that makes it ok
21:21.01tsowellwasn't there another linux person coming?
21:21.18mindfunkthey are trying to sort out INS paperwork...
21:35.10mindfunkloki1228: http://www.reason.com/links/links010305.shtml
21:38.10loki1228mindfunk: i'll get to it in a bit
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21:58.27mindfunkk-reddy: krishna?!?
22:00.27k-reddymindfunk: krishna's machine. 8)
22:00.55k-reddymindfunk: if I can get X going on it.  looks like the HW is fubar'ed
22:01.15mindfunkboot from knoppix?...
22:01.36k-reddydebian unstable
22:01.50k-reddydoh.  yes. it does work from knoppix
22:01.52mindfunkright... but knoppix might be a good diag tool
22:02.10k-reddyintel and dell drivers both crash under win xp
22:02.21k-reddyknoppix works fine.
22:02.27mindfunkso... don't run xp
22:02.57k-reddyfdisk is a wonderful tool for removing xp viruses
22:03.19mindfunkyou could open a stars ticket...
22:04.22k-reddyIf i can't get x working, I'll let them put winxxx on it again and see if they can get it going.  but I should be able to get x going
22:04.28mindfunkso, you have to reinstall the TQ key driver every time you use a different usb port
22:04.40mindfunkWingnut: have you seen that ^^
22:04.57loki1228I've seen it
22:05.05Wingnutack!
22:05.10loki1228that's pretty weak
22:05.11mindfunkat the very least, it's an ER
22:05.15Wingnutyeah, I have seen that
22:06.08mindfunkk-reddy: if it's krishna's machine, just put OS/2 on it and tell him that it's windows in a "different video mode"
22:06.42mindfunk... you couldn't use the other modes because the hw is fubar'd
22:08.36PhilipAnyone here know how to make a 2.6 kernel boot on the 5912 OSK. I think I may hav a board id issue
22:10.23loki1228man, it sure feels like the clock is ticking slow today =\
22:10.42mindfunkloki1228: not slow enough actually
22:10.52kergoth~today
22:10.53jbotI don't know what today is, but it probably sucks.
22:11.59loki1228It does suck - I'm gonna miss 24 tonight thanks to class
22:15.47mindfunkI have recieved 141MB of spam since febuary 04....
22:15.55mindfunkto one account
22:17.49kergothheh, time for spamassassin?
22:17.50kergothor dspam
22:17.50kergoth~emulate stewie
22:17.51jbotDamn you, broccoli.
22:18.47loki1228hehe - Damn you, damn the broccoli, and damn the Wright brothers!
22:18.56kergothexactly
22:18.57mindfunkbogofilter got 91% of it...
22:19.37loki1228kergoth: saw some of the clips from the new season the other day - looks like its gonna be just as good as it ever was :-)
22:19.45kergothexcellent.
22:19.52kergoth~emulate peter
22:19.53jbotChris, everything I say is a lie. Except that. And that. And that. And that. And that. An
22:20.15loki1228now here's to American Dad not sucking
22:20.17kergoth~botsnack
22:20.17jbotaw, gee, kergoth
22:24.08loki1228~emulate brian
22:24.19kergothdont think we have any brian or chris quotes yet
22:24.23loki1228ah
22:24.29kergoth~emulate stewie
22:24.30jbotI come bearing a gift.  I'll give you a hint.  It's in my diaper, and it's not a toaster.
22:24.31kergothshould add some
22:24.37loki1228heh
22:25.16loki1228"Well, Peter, if you're going to pull a party out of your ass, you might want to go ahead and stand up"
22:25.24kergothhehe
22:25.39kergoththat one was stewie's first birthday, right?
22:25.43loki1228yep
22:25.50loki1228the "man in white"
22:26.32loki1228I really should buy the DVDs now instead of relying on my weak VCD tv rips
22:26.37kergothjbot: emulate brian is <reply> Well, Peter, if you're going to pull a party out of your ass, you might want to go ahead and stand up.
22:26.38jbotkergoth: okay
22:26.42kergoththere we go
22:26.49loki1228excellent
22:26.56kergothi just picked up the first one for futurama and family guy.  need to grab the rest
22:27.18loki1228kergoth: you watch [Adult Swim]?
22:27.23loki1228kergoth: you watch [Adult Swim]?
22:27.23kergothyeah
22:27.28kergothyeah
22:27.35kergothheh
22:27.44loki1228sorry - wrong focus
22:28.32loki1228do you watch ATHF?
22:29.13kergothnot often, have only seen a couple episodes
22:29.36loki1228it's pretty out there
22:30.15kergothyeah, i'd say that description definately applies to anything featuring a talking blob of meat
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22:50.04mindfunkWingnut loki1228 swart: if you have a TQ key, but it does not work with HW, please take a screen shot of the license key and send it to me
22:52.07mindfunk~pester loki1228
22:52.10jbotloki1228: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet?
22:52.11mindfunk~pester swart
22:52.14jbotswart: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet?
22:52.31loki1228mindfunk: k
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23:05.22k-reddywell, the XF86Config-4 from knoppix didn't help.  looks like it was doing the same thing, but it works on knoppix
23:11.00mindfunkk-reddy: go get glytch... he is the king of XF86Config-4
23:11.47mindfunkWingnut: devfs=nomount
23:12.42mindfunk~pester swart loki1228
23:12.44jbotswart loki1228: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet?
23:15.48loki1228mindfunk: what?
23:16.27loki1228http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6847012
23:18.19mindfunkloki1228: send me a screenshot, yo
23:19.28mindfunkswart: ^^
23:19.38loki1228shes not around
23:19.43loki1228what's going on?
23:19.49mindfunkwho let her out?
23:42.57Wingnutmindfunk: ping
23:46.24Wingnut~pester mindfunk
23:46.26jbotmindfunk: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet?
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23:51.39tsowellloki1228: you're right about the new acroread.. it's super fast
23:51.52loki1228??
23:52.05tsowellyou mentioned it at the meeting on friday, right?
23:52.20loki1228I talked about it, but I haven't used it
23:52.24loki1228I use xpdf
23:52.37tsowelloh, I thought you told me it was fast
23:52.51loki1228I remember someone saying it was, but not me
23:52.57tsowellah, okay.. it was mike  oops
23:53.31loki1228ah - the real question is "is it still the ugliest gui ever?" :-)
23:54.12Wingnutyou should see it on CDE
23:54.17tsowellyup.. but xpdf is pretty ugly too, is it not?
23:54.38loki1228tsowell: I prefer "minimalistic" ;-)
23:56.18tsowellheh, something can be minimalistic without being ugly
23:58.07loki1228yeah - I still think that xpdf looks better than acroread

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