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| 15:15.55 | mindfunk | Wingnut: you still have not signed my key |
| 15:28.56 | mindfunk | a-atwood: http://news.com.com/Torvalds+unveils+new+Linux+control+system/2100-7344_3-5678651.html?tag=nefd.top |
| 15:29.04 | mindfunk | know anything about that? |
| 15:31.20 | mindfunk | sounds pretty painful... |
| 15:32.17 | mindfunk | awe man... |
| 15:32.21 | mindfunk | ~quote scox |
| 15:32.24 | mindfunk | ~quote scoxe |
| 15:32.29 | mindfunk | damnit |
| 15:37.19 | Wingnut | mindfunk: I have signed your key, it may not have propagated through the servers |
| 15:37.32 | Wingnut | which server would you like me to upload the signed key to? |
| 15:37.37 | mindfunk | ur... ok... |
| 15:37.41 | mindfunk | subkeys... |
| 15:37.49 | mindfunk | what other servers do you use |
| 15:37.50 | mindfunk | ? |
| 15:38.40 | Wingnut | wwwkeys.us.pgp.net, wwwkeys.pgp.net, the big lumber one, and one other that I can't remember |
| 15:38.42 | mindfunk | subkeys.pgpnet |
| 15:38.45 | Wingnut | and subkeys |
| 15:39.32 | mindfunk | s |
| 15:41.20 | Wingnut | just so we're on the same page, the keyid is 0x64caa76d |
| 15:42.06 | mindfunk | no |
| 15:42.16 | Wingnut | ? |
| 15:42.26 | mindfunk | ACDE714C |
| 15:46.57 | Wingnut | done |
| 15:47.39 | mindfunk | thanks |
| 15:47.41 | mindfunk | ;) |
| 16:02.04 | a-atwood | mindfunk: aye, I had heard a bit about it. Basically it is some scripts he threw together. |
| 16:02.37 | a-atwood | mindfunk: he likes monotone too, but a flat file import of the kernel took 2 hours. |
| 16:03.20 | a-atwood | arch is slow too, with a bad CLI, but bazaar is fixing that. |
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| 16:03.57 | a-atwood | I think git is a temporary fix 'til one of the others a) boosts speed, or b) fixes their CLI |
| 16:06.52 | Crofton | gah |
| 16:07.08 | Crofton | linux-omap dropped the config options for ide drivers |
| 16:16.59 | mindfunk | a-atwood: agreed, it's probably temporary |
| 16:16.59 | mindfunk | a-atwood: but it sounds pretty painful |
| 16:17.01 | mindfunk | a-atwood: lunch? |
| 16:17.17 | a-atwood | mindfunk: eh, no worse that Harvest, I would imagine. 8) |
| 16:17.44 | mindfunk | a-atwood: harvest was just unusable, imho... |
| 16:17.45 | a-atwood | mindfunk: I just got in about 20 min ago. |
| 16:17.57 | mindfunk | this will be usuable at least |
| 16:18.07 | mindfunk | a-atwood: guess that means no then |
| 16:18.25 | a-atwood | mindfunk: my wife was cooking supper last night, and got scalded when a pot blew water out when she picked up the lid |
| 16:18.55 | a-atwood | mindfunk: second degree burns over her stomach, and a long trip to emergency room last night |
| 16:19.05 | mindfunk | ouch |
| 16:19.11 | mindfunk | burns are the worst |
| 16:19.15 | mindfunk | btdt |
| 16:19.23 | a-atwood | roger that |
| 16:19.27 | mindfunk | what hospital? |
| 16:19.43 | mindfunk | please don't say arlington memorial |
| 16:31.37 | loki1228 | mindfunk: bad hospital? |
| 16:38.56 | a-atwood | mindfunk: MCA, on mayfield and matlock |
| 16:39.17 | a-atwood | mindfunk: dude, we would drive to Waxahachie before we went to AM |
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| 17:37.41 | mindfunk | loki1228: arlington memorial is notorious across the state |
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| 17:38.13 | prpplague | howdy all |
| 17:38.15 | mindfunk | prpplague: hola! |
| 17:38.22 | prpplague | mindfunk: whats cookin? |
| 17:38.26 | mindfunk | how is barbados |
| 17:38.29 | prpplague | mindfunk: hot |
| 17:38.32 | prpplague | :D |
| 17:38.35 | mindfunk | ssdt |
| 17:38.38 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:38.45 | mindfunk | hotter than texas?!? |
| 17:38.46 | prpplague | mindfunk: you know much about cvs? |
| 17:38.51 | mindfunk | a little |
| 17:38.53 | prpplague | mindfunk: yea, steammy today |
| 17:38.57 | mindfunk | a-atwood is your man... |
| 17:39.01 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:39.05 | prpplague | a-atwood: ping |
| 17:39.28 | mindfunk | whataya need to know? |
| 17:39.56 | mindfunk | I _might_ know the answer |
| 17:40.02 | prpplague | well, i've got my cvs jacked up somehow |
| 17:40.16 | prpplague | i've been using cvs just by myself |
| 17:40.19 | mindfunk | well, cvs is cvs... |
| 17:40.21 | mindfunk | ok |
| 17:40.36 | prpplague | now i've got 4 more developers trying to use the cvs repos |
| 17:40.50 | mindfunk | ok... |
| 17:40.57 | mindfunk | and you need to set up the server |
| 17:41.04 | prpplague | and it seems that when someone does a commit, the file is setting the group owner to that persons group rather than the cvs group |
| 17:41.21 | prpplague | mindfunk: its up and running, just a permissions thing |
| 17:41.25 | mindfunk | ok |
| 17:41.52 | mindfunk | off the top of my head, I dunno what the fix for that is... but there is a setting... somewhere... |
| 17:41.58 | mindfunk | ~pester a-atwood |
| 17:42.00 | jbot | a-atwood: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? see http://beverlys.net/LJ/BuggingYou.swf |
| 17:42.01 | prpplague | yea, thats what i thought |
| 17:42.11 | mindfunk | prpplague: what time zone you in? |
| 17:43.03 | prpplague | mindfunk: uh east coast should be the same right now |
| 17:43.14 | prpplague | mindfunk: its 1:38pm here now |
| 17:43.27 | mindfunk | cool |
| 17:43.39 | mindfunk | what kind of bandwidth you get there (at home) |
| 17:43.46 | prpplague | 1.4 both ways |
| 17:44.05 | mindfunk | 1.4 M!!! ? |
| 17:44.20 | mindfunk | at your house?!? |
| 17:44.27 | mindfunk | or 1.4kbaud? |
| 17:44.32 | mindfunk | ; |
| 17:44.34 | mindfunk | ;) |
| 17:45.08 | mindfunk | it seems like you can get better broadband everywhere else... |
| 17:45.51 | mindfunk | a friend of mine in bangladesh said that the gov laid fiber everywhere when they redid the phone system in the early 90s |
| 17:45.52 | prpplague | yea, 1.4mb both ways for an awesome rate of $25.00USD a month |
| 17:46.02 | mindfunk | oh... |
| 17:46.07 | prpplague | mindfunk: yea, the gov is doing that her |
| 17:46.09 | prpplague | here |
| 17:46.12 | mindfunk | so... this is for work |
| 17:46.28 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:46.42 | mindfunk | but to your house? |
| 17:46.53 | prpplague | hehe, working out of my house |
| 17:46.59 | prpplague | got an office upstairs |
| 17:47.02 | mindfunk | fuxor |
| 17:47.07 | mindfunk | it's not fair man |
| 17:47.28 | prpplague | mindfunk: gonna have fiber to the house at the end of the year |
| 17:47.38 | mindfunk | sure... rub it in... |
| 17:47.51 | mindfunk | ~quote scox |
| 17:48.00 | mindfunk | prpplague: they lost the 'e' |
| 17:49.54 | prpplague | yea, i notice this morning |
| 17:51.57 | prpplague | hmm, oreilly book seems to suggest that i should set the SGID bit on the repos |
| 17:56.15 | loki1228 | the US sucks when it comes to broadband - I think the only countries we have beat are the 3rd world ones in Africa, but they're too busy to care cause they're always killin each other |
| 17:56.36 | a-atwood | prpplague: you need to set the sticky bit for the group for that dir. First, fix the group id's to what they shoud be. |
| 17:56.53 | a-atwood | prpplague: then do a chmod g+s * on the dirs |
| 17:58.52 | mindfunk | loki1228: I wonder if some of the more stable contries in africa have a better setup |
| 17:59.19 | mindfunk | I think communications is always a pet project for the imf/world bank |
| 17:59.36 | mindfunk | which is why bandgladesh got fiber in the early 90s |
| 18:00.38 | mindfunk | http://ds.rorexrobots.com/calc/ |
| 18:01.25 | a-atwood | mindfunk: well, another thing is size. you could wire Bangladesh cheaper than you could Louisiana |
| 18:01.53 | a-atwood | mindfunk: and existing infrastructure. |
| 18:01.55 | mindfunk | yeah, if you are talking about size of existing infrastructure |
| 18:02.45 | a-atwood | mindfunk: areas that had cable first are getting broadband last, because they are having to replace existing, working infrastructure with more modern stuff |
| 18:03.00 | a-atwood | mindfunk: hence, lower demand |
| 18:04.10 | mindfunk | I dunno if the lower demand follows... but, yeah, there is also an afluence component which would put a kink in the graph, but essentially, your endpoint is correct |
| 18:04.50 | mindfunk | btw, I wonder if it is cheaper to wire louisiana today, then bangladesh 15 years ago |
| 18:05.24 | a-atwood | mindfunk: maybe, the HW costs have sure come down. |
| 18:05.30 | mindfunk | I wonder if cheaper labor would offset the costs of more expensive equip |
| 18:05.49 | a-atwood | mindfunk: but it was just this past year in La. where the last town got TELEPHONE service. |
| 18:06.02 | mindfunk | right... |
| 18:06.05 | mindfunk | heard about that |
| 18:06.17 | mindfunk | la is really a bad example |
| 18:07.38 | a-atwood | mindfunk: not really, the hitch was pushing the line thru about 30 miles of forest. EXTREMELY applicable. 8) |
| 18:08.05 | mindfunk | yeah but LA is fucked up... for the most part, on purpose |
| 18:08.30 | prpplague | a-atwood: hehe, one step ahead, got it fixed, thanks for the input |
| 18:10.19 | prpplague | a-atwood: i've always managed small cvs stuff, not much for large numbers of ppl accessing it |
| 18:10.28 | prpplague | a-atwood: still doing some learning on it |
| 18:13.44 | a-atwood | prpplague: as am I. 8) |
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| 18:15.45 | a-atwood | prpplague: it was easy with my first project here. everyone in same group. It gets a lot more complex w/ 12 projects or so, all wanting distinct groups. |
| 18:17.41 | prpplague | a-atwood: yea, i imagin so |
| 18:18.15 | prpplague | a-atwood: i have a problem with over planning |
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| 18:28.12 | mindfunk | loki1228: are you at work? |
| 18:59.09 | loki1228 | mindfunk: I kinda wish I was - I'm studying today |
| 18:59.26 | prpplague | good lord its hot today |
| 19:00.16 | a-atwood | prpplague: balmy 83 here. 8) |
| 19:02.45 | prpplague | a-atwood: http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/airportprofile/BGI |
| 19:25.34 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 19:25.41 | prpplague | cm can be so tedious |
| 19:25.47 | mindfunk | heh.. |
| 19:26.09 | mindfunk | try gui testing |
| 19:26.45 | mindfunk | prpplague: most are just naturally nutty |
| 19:28.36 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 20:55.52 | a-atwood | prpplague: the fact that cm ppl make about 30% more than devleopers comforts them mightily |
| 20:56.13 | mindfunk | prpplague: is that really true? |
| 20:56.25 | mindfunk | a-atwood: ^^ |
| 20:56.27 | mindfunk | i mean |
| 20:59.21 | prpplague | a-atwood: really? |
| 20:59.39 | prpplague | a-atwood: i didn't know that |
| 21:11.44 | prpplague | mindfunk: odd, cnnfn.com doesn't have any data on scox for today |
| 21:11.53 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 21:12.12 | prpplague | argh, their stock makes absolutely no sense to me |
| 21:12.32 | prpplague | the lose ruling after ruling and their stock just stays high |
| 21:13.03 | mindfunk | right... the people that would bail on bad news have done so |
| 21:13.23 | mindfunk | the remaining people with stick it out until their is a verdict |
| 21:13.49 | mindfunk | the appeals will continue, but I wouldn't expect a negative change until then |
| 21:14.11 | mindfunk | cnn prolly doesn't have the data cause the symbol just changed back today |
| 21:15.27 | mindfunk | I do see it as possible that a minor court descision (on a motion, or something) would cause the price to jump a little |
| 21:18.26 | mindfunk | a descision favorable to sco that is |
| 22:00.57 | a-atwood | ~quote SCOXE |
| 22:01.40 | a-atwood | bah, they got out of hot water |
| 22:02.54 | a-atwood | mindfunk: well, it pretty much was true 3 years ago. rates have been kinda flat lately. I assume the same is true for all IT |
| 22:03.44 | a-atwood | mindfunk: contract rate used to be $50-$75/hr, but it has dropped a bit. |
| 22:04.16 | mindfunk | right, I know aix developers that were making 2x that (and more) about 4 years ago |
| 22:05.41 | a-atwood | mindfunk: well, there were cases of up to $120/hr, but they were not the norm. biggest snafu I EVER saw was caused by one of those $125/hr guys. |
| 22:06.37 | a-atwood | rates during the y2k scare were rather insane. If you were a COBOL geezer, you could pretty much name your rate. |
| 22:11.04 | mindfunk | well, coding in cobol is a lot like chewing on glass, so... |
| 22:11.58 | a-atwood | mindfunk: well, maintaining cobol, written by accountants, certainly is. |
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