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14:58.17 | mindfunk | gram: do you have majordomo (er, or something equivalant) installed on mknod? |
15:00.03 | gram | mindfunk: need a list for pygnuts? |
15:00.15 | mindfunk | yeah, me thinks |
15:00.21 | gram | ok |
15:00.35 | mindfunk | we can put it somewhere else if it is a pain |
15:00.50 | gram | no, i can do it. give me a few minutes |
15:00.58 | mindfunk | k, thanks |
15:11.09 | gram | who should be able to post? all, or just list members? |
15:12.11 | mindfunk | list members is fine for now |
15:12.40 | mindfunk | gram: btw, I know I'm being a pain in the ass about the ssh keys, but did you install that new one on mknod? |
15:12.49 | gram | did you get my email about it? |
15:12.58 | mindfunk | er... mebbe not |
15:13.04 | mindfunk | what was the problem |
15:13.05 | mindfunk | ? |
15:13.06 | gram | can you log in at all right now? |
15:13.54 | mindfunk | ack... pls install the new key |
15:14.09 | gram | is the key you sent signed, or is it only encrypted? |
15:14.31 | mindfunk | just encrypted... I'll send a signed one if you want |
15:15.03 | gram | yes, just a signed only one would be best |
15:15.25 | gram | encrypting it doesn't do much, since i still can't verify the authenticity of the keyu |
15:15.31 | mindfunk | right right |
15:16.04 | mindfunk | so... I do have a question about the '--cleartext' gpg option |
15:16.08 | gram | what email do you want to use for the list admin? |
15:16.12 | mindfunk | is it just misnamed? |
15:16.26 | gram | clearsign? |
15:16.27 | mindfunk | brb |
15:17.24 | mindfunk | yeah... that's what I meant |
15:17.36 | gram | why do you think it is misnamed? |
15:17.43 | mindfunk | the word 'clear' to me means 'unencrypted' |
15:17.48 | gram | right. |
15:18.11 | gram | but signing != encrypting |
15:18.15 | mindfunk | right |
15:18.19 | mindfunk | but, still |
15:18.32 | gram | still what? |
15:18.36 | mindfunk | the connotations are not that of security |
15:19.02 | gram | how is the signing any less secure? |
15:20.06 | mindfunk | it's not in practice... I just think the option should be --acsisign or something |
15:20.27 | gram | but signing and encrypting are completly different things |
15:20.47 | gram | there is absolutely no function change by changing the option name |
15:21.24 | mindfunk | right |
15:21.42 | mindfunk | my complaint was based on UI, not function |
15:21.51 | mindfunk | key sent |
15:22.31 | gram | right, but the option means to make a signature and append it to a cleartext document |
15:22.42 | mindfunk | ah... |
15:22.50 | mindfunk | so, that is the 'clear' part |
15:22.52 | mindfunk | I see |
15:23.05 | gram | what email do you want to use for the list admin? |
15:23.19 | mindfunk | mebbe Wingnut |
15:23.21 | mindfunk | or me |
15:23.26 | gram | Wingnut: ping |
15:23.29 | mindfunk | you can use mindfunk@mknod |
15:23.35 | mindfunk | he isn't around |
15:23.39 | gram | ok |
15:23.53 | mindfunk | ~seen Wingnut |
15:23.53 | jbot | wingnut is currently on #casualti #ol #elinux |
15:24.04 | mindfunk | ~last Wingnut |
15:26.59 | mindfunk | interesting ~last ~= lart |
15:27.08 | mindfunk | ~last mindfunk |
15:27.27 | mindfunk | oh nm |
15:27.45 | mindfunk | ~lart a-atwood_home |
15:27.58 | mindfunk | ~insult a-atwood_home |
15:30.22 | tsowell | mindfunk: dork |
15:30.26 | gram | the list is pygnuts@mknod.org |
15:30.39 | gram | subscribe by sending an empty message to pygnuts-subscribe@mknod.org |
15:31.15 | mindfunk | gram: I assume mindfunk@mknod is already subscribed. Correct? |
15:31.24 | mindfunk | tsowell: jerk |
15:31.58 | gram | mindfunk: no |
15:32.12 | mindfunk | interesting... ok |
15:32.21 | mindfunk | you update the key yet? |
15:32.34 | gram | i didn't get it |
15:32.42 | mindfunk | ? |
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15:33.18 | mindfunk | I sent it to graham at mknod |
15:33.41 | gram | from? |
15:33.48 | mindfunk | mf at w.tf |
15:34.01 | gram | i don't see anything in the logs |
15:34.34 | mindfunk | k.. will resend |
15:35.56 | gram | ok |
15:37.20 | tsowell | mindfunk: ping |
15:38.09 | gram | new key? |
15:38.13 | mindfunk | tsowell: what? |
15:38.22 | mindfunk | gram: sent it 2 times... |
15:38.57 | gram | mindfunk: do you have a new key or something? |
15:39.04 | tsowell | mindfunk: don't you owe me $15 or $20? |
15:39.44 | mindfunk | tsowell: I owe you a kick in the ass... other than that, I don't owe you anything |
15:40.16 | tsowell | mindfunk: your choices were $15 and $20 |
15:40.32 | mindfunk | I made more choices |
15:40.45 | mindfunk | gram: I sent the new key twice |
15:40.48 | tsowell | mindfunk: including this choice? |
15:41.01 | gram | mindfunk: i meant new gpg key |
15:41.30 | mindfunk | og |
15:41.32 | mindfunk | oh |
15:41.40 | mindfunk | the one I have, you signed |
15:41.48 | Wingnut | pong |
15:41.48 | mindfunk | you might have an old one though |
15:41.57 | mindfunk | what is the footprint |
15:42.05 | mindfunk | Wingnut: see the notes about the mailing list |
15:42.45 | gram | mindfunk: i didn't sign that one, probably because i never was able to send mail to mindfunk.net |
15:43.59 | mindfunk | no... that was the previous key... you signed this one for gmail it looks like |
15:44.08 | mindfunk | I'll resend from there |
15:44.21 | Wingnut | gram: pine on mknod wants libssl-0.9.6, libssl-0.9.7 is installed... |
15:44.22 | gram | it's not the address, it the gpg key |
15:44.33 | gram | Wingnut: ok |
15:44.57 | mindfunk | gram: the key that I'm using now: B47D29BB |
15:45.05 | mindfunk | you signed, for mindfunk@gmail.com |
15:45.27 | gram | Wingnut: fixed |
15:45.37 | gram | i didn't sign B47D29BB |
15:45.56 | Wingnut | mindfunk: subscribed |
15:46.05 | mindfunk | sig 7F75635F 2005-06-06 Graham Wilson <graham@mknod.org> |
15:46.13 | mindfunk | is that you? |
15:46.40 | gram | yes |
15:48.22 | gram | oops. my fault |
15:48.44 | mindfunk | do you want me to resend from gmail? |
15:48.58 | mindfunk | you should also sign the other addresses |
15:50.53 | mindfunk | Wingnut: how hard is it to make a very small device to fool the ps2 port/bios into thinking there is a keyboard attached? |
15:53.57 | tsowell | mindfunk: PS/2 is a b0rked protocol, but not too hard |
15:55.39 | pmw | mindfunk: There was a discussion about this on Slashdot some time ago, but I cannot find it. |
15:56.26 | pmw | mindfunk: potentially this: http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/99/06/17/1731248.shtml |
15:57.04 | pmw | But that one is dated 1999, and there was one much more recently, too. |
16:36.26 | Wingnut | mindfunk: I would think it's just a resistor |
16:37.26 | Wingnut | ooh...wait...it may be a little more complicated than that...during POST the BIOS sends a request to the keyboard to flush the buffers or something like that, and the keyboard does it's initialization and sends a response back |
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17:05.41 | xjdjsqw | hello? |
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17:53.19 | mindfunk | ~ban tsowell |
17:53.28 | mindfunk | ~bann tsowell |
17:53.34 | mindfunk | ~ignore tsowell |
17:53.34 | jbot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, tsowell!" |
18:31.40 | pmw | mindfunk: You have a Dell Latitude D600, right? |
18:33.31 | mindfunk | pmw: yeah |
18:33.41 | mindfunk | pmw: that is the "outlook" machine |
18:36.03 | pmw | mindfunk: What's the resolution for it? |
18:41.14 | mindfunk | 1400x1050 |
18:41.23 | mindfunk | 32-bit |
20:37.00 | xjdjsqw | ahoyhoy? |
21:03.14 | tsowell | xjdjsqw: what's up? |
21:05.45 | xjdjsqw | can I sask silly questions about the omap 5912 here? |
21:05.54 | Crofton_ | sure |
21:06.05 | Crofton_ | It is encouraged |
21:06.35 | xjdjsqw | ok, excellent 1) what exactly does protect on/off do in the u-boot, ie when replacing the u-boot |
21:06.45 | Crofton_ | nothing useful :) |
21:07.01 | xjdjsqw | so that's how I screwed myself |
21:07.06 | Crofton_ | well, it stops you from overwriting the boot loader from the boot loader command line |
21:07.22 | TheCollector | but not from jtag ;) |
21:07.25 | Crofton_ | but if you load a "bad" kernel you can trash the bootloader |
21:07.48 | Crofton_ | I had a bed .config and built a kernel that would trash the bootloader |
21:08.18 | Crofton_ | Fortunately we have a JTAG cable and a guy that knows how to use it to reflash u-boot |
21:08.19 | xjdjsqw | even if you do a 'tftpboot uIamge'? |
21:08.45 | Crofton_ | tftpboot is a uboot command to get a kernel and stick it in RAM |
21:09.00 | xjdjsqw | does any jtqg work? or do I need the crazy/$$$ xds5?0 ? |
21:09.07 | Crofton_ | uboot respects the protect bits |
21:09.21 | Crofton_ | we had one for another project |
21:09.25 | xjdjsqw | yeah, and if you don't supply a base address, tftp defaults to 0x0 |
21:09.36 | Crofton_ | I'm assuming you don't get the uboot prompt? |
21:09.57 | xjdjsqw | fact....got it right on |-) or |-(((((( to be honest |
21:10.08 | Crofton_ | I wouldn't think tfpboot would wipe uboot |
21:10.24 | Crofton_ | I only had the problem using non ubbot filtered SW |
21:10.36 | Crofton_ | I assume you ahve tried the USB thing and failed? |
21:10.36 | xjdjsqw | and it's a rev d board, which leads to my next question: is it supported by flash utility? |
21:10.52 | xjdjsqw | yes, usb thing failed....doesn't get 2nd ack from board |
21:10.55 | Crofton_ | Heh, I couldn't get it woeking with mine |
21:11.01 | xjdjsqw | (which is a rev D, to reiterate( |
21:11.16 | Crofton_ | mine is rev C even |
21:11.31 | xjdjsqw | yeah, sure does suck that tftpboot will blow stuff away |
21:11.59 | Crofton_ | I am still a little mystified by how you got there .... |
21:12.10 | Crofton_ | I thought uboot would save you in that case |
21:12.15 | xjdjsqw | I can mail you my screen dumo, if you wish.... |
21:12.30 | Crofton_ | pastebin.ca would be better |
21:12.51 | xjdjsqw | 2 secs |
21:15.53 | xjdjsqw | http://pastebin.ca/18311 |
21:16.34 | xjdjsqw | search for osk-u-boot.bin, and see where I got the new u-boot |
21:16.49 | Crofton_ | hmmm |
21:17.37 | Crofton_ | can you interact with uboot right now? |
21:17.47 | xjdjsqw | and find 'tftpboot uIamge' to see where I think it got borked |
21:18.06 | xjdjsqw | nope, nothing comes up on the board, even the ethernet link light doesn't, but the power light does |
21:18.21 | xjdjsqw | and w/ jp3 in 1-2, it plays slave to my laptop |
21:18.28 | xjdjsqw | but the flash util doesn't work |
21:20.06 | Crofton_ | Do you have a JATG thing? |
21:20.31 | xjdjsqw | I wish, I'm feeling SOL right now |
21:20.50 | Crofton_ | You have an OSK? |
21:20.55 | xjdjsqw | can't seem to find one on campus (uwaterloo.ca) either |
21:21.01 | xjdjsqw | yes, osk5912 |
21:21.19 | Crofton_ | You would think someone would have one somewhere |
21:21.22 | xjdjsqw | built Jul12th/05...had it for <24hrs before hurting it |
21:21.31 | Crofton_ | I was lucky, we had one for a different project |
21:21.48 | Crofton_ | Heh, I blew mine 5 minutes before some guy wanted a demo |
21:22.00 | xjdjsqw | yeah, one would imagine, but if someone has it on campus, they aren't talking |
21:22.04 | Crofton_ | Well, it is fixable at least |
21:22.14 | xjdjsqw | yeah, I was hoping to demo monday....sigh |
21:22.15 | Crofton_ | Drive doen to Virginia |
21:22.37 | xjdjsqw | sure! courier? |-) |
21:22.41 | Crofton_ | Heh |
21:23.12 | Crofton_ | I sure wish we could get a working FRU program going for Linux |
21:23.35 | Crofton_ | I keep hearing about this happening to people |
21:24.26 | xjdjsqw | yeah, that would make life peachy....seems a little asinine to need a jtag programmer to get a dev board back up, sigh |
21:24.41 | tsowell | welcome to our world |
21:24.56 | Crofton_ | Yep |
21:25.12 | Crofton_ | Have you been the guy with this problem on the omap-linux email list? |
21:25.37 | xjdjsqw | ummm, indirecgly, I mailed him, and he cc'd the list when he responded to me.... |
21:25.45 | Crofton_ | heh |
21:25.56 | Crofton_ | so that is two of you who have busted OSK's |
21:26.15 | xjdjsqw | I think at least 3, that I have noticed |
21:26.38 | xjdjsqw | we'll need a support network soon |
21:27.00 | Crofton_ | heh |
21:27.18 | Crofton_ | I should talk to the JTAG guy, maybe we can flash them for beer :) |
21:28.13 | xjdjsqw | yeah, for real, problem is, I know I'll do it again....since this was so inadvertant |
21:28.52 | Crofton_ | Are you sure you had the uboot area protected? |
21:29.14 | Crofton_ | I really thought uboot checked addresses against the protected areas |
21:29.28 | xjdjsqw | yeah, it's in that dump I sent.... |
21:29.37 | Crofton_ | The protection just doesn;t work if programs outside uboot write the protected areas |
21:29.43 | xjdjsqw | line 106 |
21:29.48 | Crofton_ | I couldn't see you unprotect it |
21:29.57 | xjdjsqw | line 98 |
21:30.42 | Crofton_ | then 106 |
21:31.20 | xjdjsqw | correct |
21:31.39 | Crofton_ | is 1.1.1 the latest uboot? |
21:31.50 | xjdjsqw | don't think so |
21:31.54 | Crofton_ | I assume you reinstalled uboot to run the 2.6 kernel? |
21:33.02 | xjdjsqw | yup, bdinfo had wrong number |
21:33.19 | Crofton_ | uboot 1.1.2 also fixes that |
21:33.40 | xjdjsqw | yeah, 1.1.1 should too, but I need to get it back up first |
21:33.49 | Crofton_ | right |
21:34.21 | Crofton_ | Hear that TI'ers, you could have a side business re-flashing OSK's! |
21:34.59 | TheCollector | hooray! now I'll have some money left over after paying rent! |
21:35.25 | xjdjsqw | once a week....when I forget to put a base addy in tftpboot (i'm not *that* bitter) |
21:36.31 | xjdjsqw | so other than jtag, and the usb recov method, there aren't any options |
21:37.01 | TheCollector | xjdjsqw: why don't you just put the addr in the environment, save it, and then add 'tftpboot $(bootaddr)' to your bootargs? |
21:37.23 | Crofton_ | I wish someone at TI would look into the problem with the flash thing |
21:37.40 | TheCollector | Crofton_: what is the problem? |
21:38.15 | xjdjsqw | TheCollector: yeah, I probably will, I hadn't had enough time to get used to it yet, only had it 20 hours before I perm blew away uboot, and I can't get it revived |
21:38.31 | Crofton_ | it doesn't work |
21:38.38 | xjdjsqw | (and I don't have a jtag xds |
21:38.54 | TheCollector | too bad lauterbach is so expensive |
21:39.30 | TheCollector | Crofton_: what happens when you try to flash? |
21:39.42 | Crofton_ | http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/OSK#head-a093b2d6c8779561755ae5d2734d081c78b9fa8f |
21:39.53 | Crofton_ | http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/FlashRecoveryUtility |
21:40.04 | Crofton_ | I could never get the OSK to id right |
21:40.08 | Crofton_ | or something like that |
21:40.25 | Crofton_ | never would install the driver |
21:41.00 | xjdjsqw | for me, the fru sits at 'waiting for 2nd boot acknowledgement', ad inifitum |
21:41.04 | Crofton_ | I think it doesn't work for rev C and D boards |
21:41.20 | Crofton_ | not sure about other versions |
21:44.17 | xjdjsqw | if i reset the board, i get 'Error: A Problem occurred while sending the flashing firmware' |
21:45.08 | TheCollector | hmm - sorry I can't help, but I've never used the OSK before =\ |
21:45.44 | xjdjsqw | no suggestions eh? |-) |
21:47.20 | Crofton_ | sorry |
21:48.53 | xjdjsqw | well, I might have to mail it to you then, to jtqg it |
21:51.44 | TheCollector | xjdjsqw: yeah, we could do that for ya |
21:52.11 | Crofton_ | Well, next week I'll check if the jtag works. They borrowed my OSK to test it, and I think they looked very sad when hay brought it back |
21:52.24 | TheCollector | thats not cool |
21:52.24 | Crofton_ | Which reminds me, I need to make sure they didn't bust my osk |
21:53.10 | xjdjsqw | yeah. they are sweet boards, methinks....when they work....mind if I collect your email addy's, and contact offline sometime? I'd have to clear sending them with my supervisor |
21:53.28 | xjdjsqw | TheCollector: where are you located? |
21:53.36 | TheCollector | TI Dallas ;) |
21:53.57 | xjdjsqw | TheCollector: yeah, figured... |
21:56.46 | Crofton_ | I am at Va Tech |
21:59.01 | xjdjsqw | know anyone at uwaterloo? |
21:59.05 | Crofton_ | really? |
21:59.09 | TheCollector | nope |
21:59.11 | Crofton_ | What dept? |
21:59.58 | TheCollector | Crofton_: they're students, one in psychology, and the other just graduated with an industrial design major (or something like that) |
22:00.28 | Crofton_ | I'm with the MPRG group in the EE dept |
22:00.42 | TheCollector | MPRG? |
22:00.44 | Crofton_ | my sister got a psych degree here a long time ago |
22:00.48 | Crofton_ | www.mprg.org |
22:01.18 | TheCollector | oh, sounds like cool stuff |
22:01.23 | Crofton_ | yeah |
22:01.53 | Crofton_ | cool |
22:02.01 | Crofton_ | what are you now? |
22:02.16 | TheCollector | MIS =\ |
22:02.20 | Crofton_ | heh |
22:02.32 | Crofton_ | A friend of mine started as a computer engineer |
22:02.41 | TheCollector | calculus kicked my ass (I'm dyslexic, FWIW) |
22:02.43 | Crofton_ | he finally graduated as a mining engineer |
22:02.50 | tsowell | sweet |
22:03.09 | xjdjsqw | I aswell am working on CE....1 more semestre |
22:03.10 | Crofton_ | heh, he was struggling to achieve a 2.0 so he could graduate :) |
22:03.40 | Crofton_ | I passed EM fields, hear me roar! |
22:03.54 | Crofton_ | of course I wasn't very good at them |
22:04.05 | tsowell | don't think nature was on your side :) |
22:05.26 | Crofton_ | well, you TI'ers badger your bosses about the FRU |
22:05.44 | xjdjsqw | yes, please, I 2nd that |-) |
22:05.57 | Crofton_ | Us OSK users, at least the JTAG less ones, really need a way to reload uboot |
22:06.54 | Crofton_ | l8r all |
22:07.01 | Crofton_ | Off to get liquored up |
22:07.04 | xjdjsqw | later, thanks again |
22:07.12 | TheCollector | Crofton_: have fun |
22:07.13 | Crofton_ | sure |
22:07.36 | Crofton_ | ask more omap questions here and we can drive all the ti chatter to casualti :) |
22:07.51 | TheCollector | Crofton_: you don't want that ;) |
22:07.52 | Crofton_ | and save this channel from slow death |
22:08.01 | xjdjsqw | I'm sure I'll have questions once I get this back up |
22:08.17 | TheCollector | xjdjsqw: we'll still be here |
22:08.21 | Crofton_ | poof! |
22:08.41 | Crofton_ | just remember the TI guys are an hour or two bheind us |
22:09.44 | pmw | Crofton_: Is the registered nick "Crofton" you? |
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