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14:58.17mindfunkgram: do you have majordomo (er, or something equivalant) installed on mknod?
15:00.03grammindfunk: need a list for pygnuts?
15:00.15mindfunkyeah, me thinks
15:00.21gramok
15:00.35mindfunkwe can put it somewhere else if it is a pain
15:00.50gramno, i can do it. give me a few minutes
15:00.58mindfunkk, thanks
15:11.09gramwho should be able to post? all, or just list members?
15:12.11mindfunklist members is fine for now
15:12.40mindfunkgram: btw, I know I'm being a pain in the ass about the ssh keys, but did you install that new one on mknod?
15:12.49gramdid you get my email about it?
15:12.58mindfunker... mebbe not
15:13.04mindfunkwhat was the problem
15:13.05mindfunk?
15:13.06gramcan you log in at all right now?
15:13.54mindfunkack... pls install the new key
15:14.09gramis the key you sent signed, or is it only encrypted?
15:14.31mindfunkjust encrypted... I'll send a signed one if you want
15:15.03gramyes, just a signed only one would be best
15:15.25gramencrypting it doesn't do much, since i still can't verify the authenticity of the keyu
15:15.31mindfunkright right
15:16.04mindfunkso... I do have a question about the '--cleartext' gpg option
15:16.08gramwhat email do you want to use for the list admin?
15:16.12mindfunkis it just misnamed?
15:16.26gramclearsign?
15:16.27mindfunkbrb
15:17.24mindfunkyeah... that's what I meant
15:17.36gramwhy do you think it is misnamed?
15:17.43mindfunkthe word 'clear' to me means 'unencrypted'
15:17.48gramright.
15:18.11grambut signing != encrypting
15:18.15mindfunkright
15:18.19mindfunkbut, still
15:18.32gramstill what?
15:18.36mindfunkthe connotations are not that of security
15:19.02gramhow is the signing any less secure?
15:20.06mindfunkit's not in practice... I just think the option should be --acsisign or something
15:20.27grambut signing and encrypting are completly different things
15:20.47gramthere is absolutely no function change by changing the option name
15:21.24mindfunkright
15:21.42mindfunkmy complaint was based on UI, not function
15:21.51mindfunkkey sent
15:22.31gramright, but the option means to make a signature and append it to a cleartext document
15:22.42mindfunkah...
15:22.50mindfunkso, that is the 'clear' part
15:22.52mindfunkI see
15:23.05gramwhat email do you want to use for the list admin?
15:23.19mindfunkmebbe Wingnut
15:23.21mindfunkor me
15:23.26gramWingnut: ping
15:23.29mindfunkyou can use mindfunk@mknod
15:23.35mindfunkhe isn't around
15:23.39gramok
15:23.53mindfunk~seen Wingnut
15:23.53jbotwingnut is currently on #casualti #ol #elinux
15:24.04mindfunk~last Wingnut
15:26.59mindfunkinteresting ~last ~= lart
15:27.08mindfunk~last mindfunk
15:27.27mindfunkoh nm
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15:30.22tsowellmindfunk: dork
15:30.26gramthe list is pygnuts@mknod.org
15:30.39gramsubscribe by sending an empty message to pygnuts-subscribe@mknod.org
15:31.15mindfunkgram: I assume mindfunk@mknod is already subscribed. Correct?
15:31.24mindfunktsowell: jerk
15:31.58grammindfunk: no
15:32.12mindfunkinteresting... ok
15:32.21mindfunkyou update the key yet?
15:32.34grami didn't get it
15:32.42mindfunk?
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15:33.18mindfunkI sent it to graham at mknod
15:33.41gramfrom?
15:33.48mindfunkmf at w.tf
15:34.01grami don't see anything in the logs
15:34.34mindfunkk.. will resend
15:35.56gramok
15:37.20tsowellmindfunk: ping
15:38.09gramnew key?
15:38.13mindfunktsowell: what?
15:38.22mindfunkgram: sent it 2 times...
15:38.57grammindfunk: do you have a new key or something?
15:39.04tsowellmindfunk: don't you owe me $15 or $20?
15:39.44mindfunktsowell: I owe you a kick in the ass... other than that, I don't owe you anything
15:40.16tsowellmindfunk: your choices were $15 and $20
15:40.32mindfunkI made more choices
15:40.45mindfunkgram: I sent the new key twice
15:40.48tsowellmindfunk: including this choice?
15:41.01grammindfunk: i meant new gpg key
15:41.30mindfunkog
15:41.32mindfunkoh
15:41.40mindfunkthe one I have, you signed
15:41.48Wingnutpong
15:41.48mindfunkyou might have an old one though
15:41.57mindfunkwhat is the footprint
15:42.05mindfunkWingnut: see the notes about the mailing list
15:42.45grammindfunk: i didn't sign that one, probably because i never was able to send mail to mindfunk.net
15:43.59mindfunkno... that was the previous key... you signed this one for gmail it looks like
15:44.08mindfunkI'll resend from there
15:44.21Wingnutgram: pine on mknod wants libssl-0.9.6, libssl-0.9.7 is installed...
15:44.22gramit's not the address, it the gpg key
15:44.33gramWingnut: ok
15:44.57mindfunkgram: the key that I'm using now: B47D29BB
15:45.05mindfunkyou signed, for mindfunk@gmail.com
15:45.27gramWingnut: fixed
15:45.37grami didn't sign B47D29BB
15:45.56Wingnutmindfunk: subscribed
15:46.05mindfunksig          7F75635F 2005-06-06  Graham Wilson <graham@mknod.org>
15:46.13mindfunkis that you?
15:46.40gramyes
15:48.22gramoops. my fault
15:48.44mindfunkdo you want me to resend from gmail?
15:48.58mindfunkyou should also sign the other addresses
15:50.53mindfunkWingnut: how hard is it to make a very small device to fool the ps2 port/bios into thinking there is a keyboard attached?
15:53.57tsowellmindfunk: PS/2 is a b0rked protocol, but not too hard
15:55.39pmwmindfunk: There was a discussion about this on Slashdot some time ago, but I cannot find it.
15:56.26pmwmindfunk: potentially this: http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/99/06/17/1731248.shtml
15:57.04pmwBut that one is dated 1999, and there was one much more recently, too.
16:36.26Wingnutmindfunk: I would think it's just a resistor
16:37.26Wingnutooh...wait...it may be a little more complicated than that...during POST the BIOS sends a request to the keyboard to flush the buffers or something like that, and the keyboard does it's initialization and sends a response back
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17:05.41xjdjsqwhello?
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17:53.34mindfunk~ignore tsowell
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18:31.40pmwmindfunk: You have a Dell Latitude D600, right?
18:33.31mindfunkpmw: yeah
18:33.41mindfunkpmw: that is the "outlook" machine
18:36.03pmwmindfunk: What's the resolution for it?
18:41.14mindfunk1400x1050
18:41.23mindfunk32-bit
20:37.00xjdjsqwahoyhoy?
21:03.14tsowellxjdjsqw: what's up?
21:05.45xjdjsqwcan I sask silly questions about the omap 5912 here?
21:05.54Crofton_sure
21:06.05Crofton_It is encouraged
21:06.35xjdjsqwok, excellent 1) what exactly does protect on/off do in the u-boot, ie when replacing the u-boot
21:06.45Crofton_nothing useful :)
21:07.01xjdjsqwso that's how I screwed myself
21:07.06Crofton_well, it stops you from overwriting the boot loader from the boot loader command line
21:07.22TheCollectorbut not from jtag ;)
21:07.25Crofton_but if you load a "bad" kernel you can trash the bootloader
21:07.48Crofton_I had a bed .config and built a kernel that would trash the bootloader
21:08.18Crofton_Fortunately we have a JTAG cable and a guy that knows how to use it to reflash u-boot
21:08.19xjdjsqweven if you do a 'tftpboot uIamge'?
21:08.45Crofton_tftpboot is a uboot command to get a kernel and stick it in RAM
21:09.00xjdjsqwdoes any jtqg work? or do I need the crazy/$$$ xds5?0 ?
21:09.07Crofton_uboot respects the protect bits
21:09.21Crofton_we had one for another project
21:09.25xjdjsqwyeah, and if you don't supply a base address, tftp defaults to 0x0
21:09.36Crofton_I'm assuming you don't get the uboot prompt?
21:09.57xjdjsqwfact....got it right on |-) or |-(((((( to be honest
21:10.08Crofton_I wouldn't think tfpboot would wipe uboot
21:10.24Crofton_I only had the problem using non ubbot filtered SW
21:10.36Crofton_I assume you ahve tried the USB thing and failed?
21:10.36xjdjsqwand it's a rev d board, which leads to my next question: is it supported by flash utility?
21:10.52xjdjsqwyes, usb thing failed....doesn't get 2nd ack from board
21:10.55Crofton_Heh, I couldn't get it woeking with mine
21:11.01xjdjsqw(which is a rev D, to reiterate(
21:11.16Crofton_mine is rev C even
21:11.31xjdjsqwyeah, sure does suck that tftpboot will blow stuff away
21:11.59Crofton_I am still a little mystified by how you got there ....
21:12.10Crofton_I thought uboot would save you in that case
21:12.15xjdjsqwI can mail you my screen dumo, if you wish....
21:12.30Crofton_pastebin.ca would be better
21:12.51xjdjsqw2 secs
21:15.53xjdjsqwhttp://pastebin.ca/18311
21:16.34xjdjsqwsearch for osk-u-boot.bin, and see where I got the new u-boot
21:16.49Crofton_hmmm
21:17.37Crofton_can you interact with uboot right now?
21:17.47xjdjsqwand find 'tftpboot uIamge' to see where I think it got borked
21:18.06xjdjsqwnope, nothing comes up on the board, even the ethernet link light doesn't, but the power light does
21:18.21xjdjsqwand w/ jp3 in 1-2, it plays slave to my laptop
21:18.28xjdjsqwbut the flash util doesn't work
21:20.06Crofton_Do you have a JATG thing?
21:20.31xjdjsqwI wish, I'm feeling SOL right now
21:20.50Crofton_You have an OSK?
21:20.55xjdjsqwcan't seem to find one on campus (uwaterloo.ca) either
21:21.01xjdjsqwyes, osk5912
21:21.19Crofton_You would think someone would have one somewhere
21:21.22xjdjsqwbuilt Jul12th/05...had it for <24hrs before hurting it
21:21.31Crofton_I was lucky, we had one for a different project
21:21.48Crofton_Heh, I blew mine 5 minutes before some guy wanted a demo
21:22.00xjdjsqwyeah, one would imagine, but if someone has it on campus, they aren't talking
21:22.04Crofton_Well, it is fixable at least
21:22.14xjdjsqwyeah, I was hoping to demo monday....sigh
21:22.15Crofton_Drive doen to Virginia
21:22.37xjdjsqwsure! courier? |-)
21:22.41Crofton_Heh
21:23.12Crofton_I sure wish we could get a working FRU program going for Linux
21:23.35Crofton_I keep hearing about this happening to people
21:24.26xjdjsqwyeah, that would make life peachy....seems a little asinine to need a jtag programmer to get a dev board back up, sigh
21:24.41tsowellwelcome to our world
21:24.56Crofton_Yep
21:25.12Crofton_Have you been the guy with this problem on the omap-linux email list?
21:25.37xjdjsqwummm, indirecgly, I mailed him, and he cc'd the list when he responded to me....
21:25.45Crofton_heh
21:25.56Crofton_so that is two of you who have busted OSK's
21:26.15xjdjsqwI think at least 3, that I have noticed
21:26.38xjdjsqwwe'll need a support network soon
21:27.00Crofton_heh
21:27.18Crofton_I should talk to the JTAG guy, maybe we can flash them for beer :)
21:28.13xjdjsqwyeah, for real, problem is, I know I'll do it again....since this was so inadvertant
21:28.52Crofton_Are you sure you had the uboot area protected?
21:29.14Crofton_I really thought uboot checked addresses against the protected areas
21:29.28xjdjsqwyeah, it's in that dump I sent....
21:29.37Crofton_The protection just doesn;t work if programs outside uboot write the protected areas
21:29.43xjdjsqwline 106
21:29.48Crofton_I couldn't see you unprotect it
21:29.57xjdjsqwline 98
21:30.42Crofton_then 106
21:31.20xjdjsqwcorrect
21:31.39Crofton_is 1.1.1 the latest uboot?
21:31.50xjdjsqwdon't think so
21:31.54Crofton_I assume you reinstalled uboot to run the 2.6 kernel?
21:33.02xjdjsqwyup, bdinfo had wrong number
21:33.19Crofton_uboot 1.1.2 also fixes that
21:33.40xjdjsqwyeah, 1.1.1 should too, but I need to get it back up first
21:33.49Crofton_right
21:34.21Crofton_Hear that TI'ers, you could have a side business re-flashing OSK's!
21:34.59TheCollectorhooray! now I'll have some money left over after paying rent!
21:35.25xjdjsqwonce a week....when I forget to put a base addy in tftpboot (i'm not *that* bitter)
21:36.31xjdjsqwso other than jtag, and the usb recov method, there aren't any options
21:37.01TheCollectorxjdjsqw: why don't you just put the addr in the environment, save it, and then add 'tftpboot $(bootaddr)' to your bootargs?
21:37.23Crofton_I wish someone at TI would look into the problem with the flash thing
21:37.40TheCollectorCrofton_: what is the problem?
21:38.15xjdjsqwTheCollector: yeah, I probably will, I hadn't had enough time to get used to it yet, only had it 20 hours before I perm blew away uboot, and I can't get it revived
21:38.31Crofton_it doesn't work
21:38.38xjdjsqw(and I don't have a jtag xds
21:38.54TheCollectortoo bad lauterbach is so expensive
21:39.30TheCollectorCrofton_: what happens when you try to flash?
21:39.42Crofton_http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/OSK#head-a093b2d6c8779561755ae5d2734d081c78b9fa8f
21:39.53Crofton_http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/FlashRecoveryUtility
21:40.04Crofton_I could never get the OSK to id right
21:40.08Crofton_or something like that
21:40.25Crofton_never would install the driver
21:41.00xjdjsqwfor me, the fru sits at 'waiting for 2nd boot acknowledgement', ad inifitum
21:41.04Crofton_I think it doesn't work for rev C and D boards
21:41.20Crofton_not sure about other versions
21:44.17xjdjsqwif i reset the board, i get 'Error: A Problem occurred while sending the flashing firmware'
21:45.08TheCollectorhmm - sorry I can't help, but I've never used the OSK before =\
21:45.44xjdjsqwno suggestions eh? |-)
21:47.20Crofton_sorry
21:48.53xjdjsqwwell, I might have to mail it to you then, to jtqg it
21:51.44TheCollectorxjdjsqw: yeah, we could do that for ya
21:52.11Crofton_Well, next week I'll check if the jtag works. They borrowed my OSK to test it, and I think they looked very sad when hay brought it back
21:52.24TheCollectorthats not cool
21:52.24Crofton_Which reminds me, I need to make sure they didn't bust my osk
21:53.10xjdjsqwyeah. they are sweet boards, methinks....when they work....mind if I collect your email addy's, and contact offline sometime? I'd have to clear sending them with my supervisor
21:53.28xjdjsqwTheCollector: where are you located?
21:53.36TheCollectorTI Dallas ;)
21:53.57xjdjsqwTheCollector: yeah, figured...
21:56.46Crofton_I am at Va Tech
21:59.01xjdjsqwknow anyone at uwaterloo?
21:59.05Crofton_really?
21:59.09TheCollectornope
21:59.11Crofton_What dept?
21:59.58TheCollectorCrofton_: they're students, one in psychology, and the other just graduated with an industrial design major (or something like that)
22:00.28Crofton_I'm with the MPRG group in the EE dept
22:00.42TheCollectorMPRG?
22:00.44Crofton_my sister got a psych degree here a long time ago
22:00.48Crofton_www.mprg.org
22:01.18TheCollectoroh, sounds like cool stuff
22:01.23Crofton_yeah
22:01.53Crofton_cool
22:02.01Crofton_what are you now?
22:02.16TheCollectorMIS =\
22:02.20Crofton_heh
22:02.32Crofton_A friend of mine started as a computer engineer
22:02.41TheCollectorcalculus kicked my ass (I'm dyslexic, FWIW)
22:02.43Crofton_he finally graduated as a mining engineer
22:02.50tsowellsweet
22:03.09xjdjsqwI aswell am working on CE....1 more semestre
22:03.10Crofton_heh, he was struggling to achieve a 2.0 so he could graduate :)
22:03.40Crofton_I passed EM fields, hear me roar!
22:03.54Crofton_of course I wasn't very good at them
22:04.05tsowelldon't think nature was on your side :)
22:05.26Crofton_well, you TI'ers badger your bosses about the FRU
22:05.44xjdjsqwyes, please, I 2nd that |-)
22:05.57Crofton_Us OSK users, at least the JTAG less ones, really need a way to reload uboot
22:06.54Crofton_l8r all
22:07.01Crofton_Off to get liquored up
22:07.04xjdjsqwlater, thanks again
22:07.12TheCollectorCrofton_: have fun
22:07.13Crofton_sure
22:07.36Crofton_ask more omap questions here and we can drive all the ti chatter to casualti :)
22:07.51TheCollectorCrofton_: you don't want that ;)
22:07.52Crofton_and save this channel from slow death
22:08.01xjdjsqwI'm sure I'll have questions once I get this back up
22:08.17TheCollectorxjdjsqw: we'll still be here
22:08.21Crofton_poof!
22:08.41Crofton_just remember the TI guys are an hour or two bheind us
22:09.44pmwCrofton_: Is the registered nick "Crofton" you?
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