| 01:57:03 | BZFlagOLS | net is better near the front of the room. ;-) |
| 02:17:05 | BZFlagOLS | hmmpf. perhaps I'll get some sleep. |
| 02:17:28 | BZFlagOLS | either that or crash the redhat party. ;-) |
| 02:17:35 | BZFlagOLS | nite all. |
| 02:38:36 | ahuOLS | ommmm |
| 02:38:43 | ahuOLS | hi! |
| 02:45:16 | taggart3 | gets his netfix and leaves |
| 03:26:26 | StoneToad | equals Jim Lisi |
| 14:01:36 | BZFlag | moin moin |
| 14:07:14 | BZFlagOLS | achilles dsl looks overloaded this morning. /me wishes you would all get offline so he can use all the bandwidth himself. <jk> |
| 14:11:45 | ahuOLS | boy |
| 14:11:47 | ahuOLS | does the network sucks |
| 14:19:29 | ahuOLS | hi everybody |
| 14:19:43 | omega | vektor: where are you atm? |
| 14:20:35 | ahuOLS | in room A |
| 14:41:53 | BZFlagOLS | wants a User Space Network |
| 14:42:17 | BZFlagOLS | I guess that would be User Mode Network? ;-) |
| 14:42:26 | ahuOLS | :-) |
| 15:13:10 | seletzOLS | BZFlagOLS: morning :) |
| 15:14:24 | vektor | so the talk in C is off? |
| 15:14:52 | seletzOLS | vektor: yup |
| 15:15:51 | vektor | damn. staying in A then :) |
| 15:21:29 | BZFlagOLS | wonders if crypto could go into the kernel any time soon. |
| 15:21:34 | msw | they're doing a "questions and misinformation" talk in C |
| 15:21:57 | seletzOLS | msw: intresting ... |
| 15:22:03 | BZFlagOLS | ipsec, openssl, openssh, etc could all use a kernel crypto interface |
| 15:22:16 | BZFlagOLS | then hw crypto would get max reuse |
| 15:23:16 | BZFlagOLS | uses freeswan but then has openssl/ssh installed as well. |
| 15:23:57 | msw | BZFlagOLS: there's already lots of crypto hardware support -- just don't know if it is a standardized user interface |
| 15:26:11 | BZFlagOLS | that's the beauty of standards, there are so many to choose from. |
| 15:27:39 | BZFlagOLS | http://www.kerneli.org/ <- anyone use this? |
| 15:30:59 | BZFlagOLS | seletzOLS: is rmk in there with you? or still in the hall? |
| 15:31:22 | seletzOLS | BZFlagOLS: looking ... |
| 15:31:49 | seletzOLS | BZFlagOLS: hmm, i'm not sure |
| 15:32:15 | seletzOLS | BZFlagOLS: last seen him in the hall, though. |
| 15:32:23 | BZFlagOLS | me too. |
| 15:32:43 | seletzOLS | BZFlagOLS: gee. How's the A talk? |
| 15:32:49 | BZFlagOLS | seen erikm today? |
| 15:32:53 | | erikm was last seen on #blob 21 hours, 13 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: sorry, ssh tunnel died [Wed Jun 26 19:19:27 2002] |
| 15:32:53 | BZFlagOLS | ibot: seen erikm |
| 15:33:29 | | erikmOLS was last seen on #ols 18 hours, 46 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: BZFlagOLS: the wavesec.org people [Wed Jun 26 21:47:26 2002] |
| 15:33:29 | BZFlagOLS | ibot: seen erikmOLS |
| 15:36:23 | seletzOLS | BZFlagOLS: where do you head to lunch? |
| 15:39:25 | BZFlagOLS | seletzOLS: had not decided. |
| 15:39:26 | ahuOLS | coding for his presentation |
| 15:39:50 | BZFlagOLS | ahuOLS better hurry. last minute code always has bugs. ;-) |
| 15:40:16 | BZFlagOLS | seletzOLS: I skipped lunch yesterday. your plans? |
| 15:40:25 | ahuOLS | uhuh - it's bad :-) |
| 15:41:03 | seletzOLS | BZFlagOLS: well,yesterday we had some japanese food in the mall. Was quite ok. |
| 15:43:36 | seletzOLS | BZFlagOLS: I think i'll just walk over to the mall and see what i can get :) |
| 15:44:01 | BZFlagOLS | I think an orange julius is calling to me. |
| 15:47:41 | seletzOLS | hmm, i wonder whether or not i'll be able to follow the one-day compiler tutorial. I've never worked with a functional language. |
| 15:49:41 | BZFlagOLS | heh |
| 15:50:06 | ahuOLS | http://ds9a.nl/lex-yacc <- required reading |
| 15:51:16 | seletzOLS | checking out |
| 15:51:44 | omega | hmm, is there anyone here who would be willing to spend some time (tomorrow after my talk, that is <g>) writing a parser for a C-like language, i.e.: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/codecs/ewocc/mpeg2.parse?rev=1.2&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 15:53:13 | wli | ftso stinkpad pcmcia slots |
| 15:53:34 | ahuOLS | omega, I finish my talk at 17 tomorrow |
| 15:53:50 | ahuOLS | not sure if your aims are real tough :-) |
| 15:53:55 | omega | mine's after lunch, but I'm in town till next tuesday <g> |
| 15:54:12 | omega | ahuOLS: I just need to parse the thing into a tree, the 'compiler' backend is pretty easy once I have that tree |
| 15:54:25 | omega | I just don't have much luck getting the grammar to work ;-( |
| 15:55:01 | ahuOLS | I'm not good at compiler building - I can help you write a grammar thuough |
| 15:55:42 | omega | cool, that's all I need ;-) the goal is to 'compile' that syntax into highly optimized asm or C to do bitstream parsing as fast as possible, without doing it by hand every time |
| 15:55:53 | vektor | omega: go to graydon's talk dude :) |
| 15:56:08 | omega | I have a pretty good handle on how I'm gonna go from the parse tree to the resulting code, just need to get the stupid tree ;-) |
| 15:56:10 | vektor | or,you should anyway |
| 15:56:49 | omega | yeah, the other talks don't look all that interesting to me, so... |
| 15:57:51 | omega | we'll see if anything actually clicks though ;-) |
| 16:00:10 | omega | ahuOLS: heh, tc stuff is also on my list of things to fully grok, anyway, so I'll be at your talk too |
| 16:00:29 | ahuOLS | cool, I'll be having a eally cool demo! |
| 16:00:56 | ahuOLS | I have it running now even :-) |
| 16:01:01 | omega | I'm hoping to do a demo of my stuff too, but I don't have any tc built into it yet, since I don't quite grok it ;-( |
| 16:01:38 | omega | but I need to thwack my laptop into being an access point, it hasn't been cooperating recently ;-( |
| 16:02:08 | ahuOLS | which preseentation is yours? |
| 16:02:11 | omega | ahuOLS: have you used UML to do network testing of tc? |
| 16:02:20 | omega | MetaNet |
| 16:03:48 | omega | room C, 13:30 |
| 16:04:03 | vektor | tomorrow,right? |
| 16:04:03 | omega | page 556 of proceedings |
| 16:04:05 | ahuOLS | C appears to be the cool room tomorrow! |
| 16:04:17 | omega | he |
| 16:04:18 | vektor | ahuOLS: my bof isn't in C :( |
| 16:04:29 | vektor | my bof is in 'tutorial' and i don't know where that is |
| 16:04:31 | omega | yeah |
| 16:04:31 | omega | ahuOLS: you in A atm? |
| 16:04:34 | vektor | is that the room upstairs? |
| 16:04:37 | ahuOLS | I am |
| 16:04:41 | ahuOLS | in the corner |
| 16:04:44 | omega | vektor: same as last year's bof probably |
| 16:04:50 | omega | ahuOLS: left or right? |
| 16:04:59 | ahuOLS | right, |
| 16:05:07 | omega | ok, I'm by the pillar in the back ;-) |
| 16:05:13 | BZFlagOLS | with that cool chair desk. ;-) |
| 16:05:16 | ahuOLS | sees! |
| 16:05:18 | ahuOLS | exactly |
| 16:05:20 | vektor | ahuOLS: well you saw me |
| 16:05:23 | ahuOLS | and I'm coding c++! |
| 16:05:33 | omega | ahuOLS: so you have to call it a 'chairtop computer' ? |
| 16:05:41 | BZFlagOLS | heh |
| 16:06:07 | vektor | omega: we need lunch before 1:30 |
| 16:06:37 | omega | yes |
| 16:06:41 | ahuOLS | I'll be at the metanet presentation,. btw |
| 16:06:45 | omega | cool |
| 16:06:47 | vektor | BZFlagOLS: damn your nick makes me want to set up a bzflag tourny on those nice lcd-screen boxes outside |
| 16:06:55 | omega | vektor: you mean breakfast before 1:30? |
| 16:07:01 | vektor | BZFlagOLS: we just need them to install the nvidia drivers on all the boxen |
| 16:07:07 | vektor | omega: yes yes. |
| 16:07:11 | vektor | i'm starved |
| 16:07:14 | ahuOLS | EVIL CLOSED SOURCE! |
| 16:07:17 | BZFlagOLS | that would be sweet! do they have glx displays? |
| 16:07:24 | vektor | ahuOLS: will you be at my bof? |
| 16:07:24 | ahuOLS | sez the author of evil closed source :-) |
| 16:07:52 | BZFlagOLS | sounds like a good project for saturday gaming. |
| 16:07:53 | ahuOLS | vektor - which is that? |
| 16:07:53 | vektor | BZFlagOLS: they have nvidia cards and no nvidia drivers so it's just sw rendering right now |
| 16:07:54 | omega | walken is probably still segfaulted from last night |
| 16:07:57 | vektor | ahuOLS: video |
| 16:08:39 | BZFlagOLS | vektor: all the same though? so once we do a driver on one we can replicate it? |
| 16:08:49 | ahuOLS | vektor - probably |
| 16:08:54 | omega | vektor: I want to sync with the speaker at some point |
| 16:08:58 | ahuOLS | I haven't yet used UML with tc, btw |
| 16:09:00 | ahuOLS | I did try to |
| 16:09:00 | vektor | BZFlagOLS: last year they had rpms of the nvidia driver that they installed on a few machines |
| 16:09:05 | ahuOLS | but I had problems |
| 16:09:33 | omega | ahuOLS: I'm worried about clocking and such |
| 16:09:43 | omega | given that the kernel itself is a task that could be blocked |
| 16:10:14 | omega | perhaps use firm timers (will hunt for url) to make uml work better for fine-grained stuff like that |
| 16:10:30 | ahuOLS | yeah - that is a problem |
| 16:10:41 | ahuOLS | tc has problems with timing on normal linux :-) |
| 16:10:45 | omega | heh |
| 16:10:49 | omega | firm timers might help a lot |
| 16:10:57 | omega | they use the IO APIC instead of HZ |
| 16:11:22 | omega | you can configure timer interrupts very quickly because it's all PCI stuff |
| 16:11:41 | ahuOLS | ok, we need that :-) |
| 16:11:56 | omega | the example was to fix MPlayer's frame timings, from either 30 or 40ms between frames to 33.33ms +- 0.1ms with no exceptions, with no userspace changes to mplayer at all |
| 16:12:14 | omega | I don't seem to have the url handy, lemme ping someone to find it |
| 16:12:16 | vektor | we soooooooo need that |
| 16:12:31 | omega | yeah, you may not have to twist Linus's arm into HZ = 1024 |
| 16:12:40 | vektor | he was saying HZ = 1000 |
| 16:12:47 | vektor | i didn't totally understand his argument though |
| 16:13:03 | omega | integral math maybe? 1/HZ == 1ms makes sense to me |
| 16:13:11 | vektor | sure |
| 16:13:16 | vektor | ok. |
| 16:13:26 | vektor | but what i mean is,isn't it driven by the timer interrupt? |
| 16:13:30 | vektor | which is only powers-f-two? |
| 16:13:35 | vektor | (on x86) |
| 16:13:39 | omega | true |
| 16:13:52 | omega | no, I think you can set the divisor to anything |
| 16:14:01 | vektor | oh weird |
| 16:14:06 | omega | but it has to key to the funky 18.xMHz clock |
| 16:14:22 | omega | that clock speed must have been someone's idea of a joke |
| 16:17:34 | sarnold | omega: the fastest possible clock speed at the time? :) |
| 16:18:02 | omega | sarnold: higher iirc, the fastest proc at the time was several times slower |
| 16:18:07 | BZFlagOLS | thinks it would be nice to have rdns as dhcpfoo.linuxsymposium.org at least for the advertising value. ;-) |
| 16:18:11 | omega | lemme confirm the clock rate... |
| 16:19:06 | vektor | omega: food? |
| 16:19:09 | omega | atm lunch |
| 16:19:16 | vektor | ok detaching |
| 16:19:19 | BZFlagOLS | yes yes lunch. |
| 16:19:26 | vektor | BZFlagOLS: meet for lunch? |
| 16:19:37 | vektor | ahuOLS: lunch? |
| 16:19:45 | seletzOLS | BZFlagOLS: where do you gonna have lunch? |
| 16:20:05 | ahuOLS | yeah! |
| 16:20:12 | seletzOLS | BZFlagOLS: meet outside of Room A? |
| 16:20:22 | vektor | outside room A |
| 16:20:24 | vektor | gone |
| 16:20:28 | seletzOLS | k |
| 16:20:30 | BZFlagOLS | sure. grab erik and/or rmk if you see them. |
| 16:20:36 | seletzOLS | k |
| 17:15:24 | vektor | re |
| 17:18:44 | ahuOLS | decided to skip lunch |
| 17:19:00 | vektor | ahuOLS: i ws wondering |
| 17:20:32 | omega | ahuOLS: heading up to the compiler tutorial? |
| 17:22:14 | ahuOLS | I'm coding right now |
| 17:23:21 | omega | heh |
| 17:25:34 | ahuOLS | well hi! |
| 17:28:10 | riel_gone | now that's nice |
| 17:28:16 | riel_gone | OPN put me on a restricted mode |
| 17:28:20 | riel_gone | I'm not allowed to change my nick |
| 17:28:36 | riel | oh, that was #dsbl ;) |
| 17:28:37 | ahuOLS | hmmm :-) |
| 17:28:39 | riel | which also moved to OFTC |
| 17:28:46 | ahuOLS | I can't talk on #kernelnewbies btw |
| 17:28:49 | ahuOLS | on OPN |
| 17:29:08 | riel | that's right |
| 17:29:13 | riel | #kernelnewbies moved to OFTC |
| 17:29:38 | vektor | #ols should move to OFTC ;-) |
| 17:30:26 | riel | vektor: agreed, lets go |
| 17:32:42 | ahuOLS | what server? |
| 17:33:15 | riel | irc.oftc.net |
| 17:34:25 | omega | --- Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it? |
| 17:34:54 | ahuOLS | working here |
| 17:35:00 | ahuOLS | at least, it is trying to |
| 17:35:08 | BZFlag | what's there? |
| 17:35:17 | BZFlag | what's the internal server? |
| 17:43:30 | BZFlag | finds the internal server. (nmap is your friend) |
| 17:43:49 | omega | watches the wireless network melt down |
| 17:45:28 | vektor | omega: dude |
| 17:45:31 | vektor | omega: are you there? |
| 17:45:46 | omega | yeah, right next to you.. |
| 17:45:52 | vektor | my ssh to you died |
| 17:45:55 | vektor | know why? |
| 17:45:59 | omega | nope |
| 17:46:02 | vektor | oo |
| 17:46:04 | vektor | it's awake now |
| 17:46:24 | vektor | but slow |
| 17:46:25 | vektor | oh well |
| 18:06:58 | ahuOLS | the internal server died I think? |
| 18:08:19 | BZFlagOLS | well, that was short lived. |
| 18:08:36 | omega_tutorial | ENOPING |
| 18:09:06 | BZFlagOLS | yep. looks gone. |
| 18:09:09 | ahuOLS | they probably jhosted on the wireless :-) |
| 18:09:16 | jl1 | ?? |
| 18:09:41 | omega_tutorial | seems that having a good internal server should be a high priority... |
| 18:09:44 | omega_tutorial | IMO |
| 18:13:24 | BZFlagOLS | ahuOLS: ahh, that sounds likely. |
| 18:15:34 | BZFlagOLS | get me root access on a stable box here and I'll set one up in a minute. |
| 18:15:46 | BZFlagOLS | along with a wiki for hosting files etc. |
| 18:16:01 | BZFlagOLS | MoinMoin would be a good choice with file uploads enabled. |
| 18:17:01 | omega_tutorial | there's a server down there, if you can find the ols staff to get you access |
| 18:17:10 | omega_tutorial | as long as someone doesn't steal the power cord again |
| 18:17:39 | BZFlagOLS | but who to talk to? anyone see rmk? he knew who to ask. |
| 18:18:06 | omega_tutorial | just go the front table, they're all staff and should (theoretically) be able to find the right person |
| 18:18:42 | BZFlagOLS | omega_tutorial: perhaps after this session then. |
| 18:18:58 | omega_tutorial | yeah |
| 18:21:55 | BZFlagOLS | anyone headed to B next? if so, say hello to christoph from me (Tim Riker) I know him from my days at Caldera |
| 18:28:48 | ahuOLS | linuxnet is back |
| 19:53:05 | msw | mmmm, crappy network |
| 20:02:58 | ahuOLS | hi |
| 20:05:24 | omega_tutorial | yo |
| 20:05:32 | p-dot-OLS | hi omega |
| 20:05:34 | omega_tutorial | p-dot-OLS: in a session atm or outside? |
| 20:05:35 | gh | riel: shhhhh.. ;-) |
| 20:05:55 | p-dot-OLS | omega_tutorial: in a session atm |
| 20:06:03 | omega_writing | p-dot-OLS: ok, I'm writing my slides <g> |
| 20:06:06 | p-dot-OLS | :) |
| 20:06:12 | p-dot-OLS | omega_writing: good luck :) |
| 20:06:54 | p-dot-OLS | omega_writing: are you in a session? |
| 20:07:09 | omega_writing | p-dot-OLS: outside, near B |
| 20:08:05 | BZFlag | you guys all found the internal ir server now yes? a.b.18.2 |
| 20:08:10 | BZFlag | see the topic |
| 21:02:59 | omega_writing | vektor: are you still in A? |