| 00:26:03 | Xentac | is away: getting beat up |
| 01:42:25 | xx50 | what is zaurus about ? |
| 01:42:37 | xx50 | I joined because it reminded me of Dr. Zaius |
| 01:42:44 | xx50 | figured, ok, close enough |
| 01:42:45 | xx50 | so |
| 01:42:49 | xx50 | speak, human. |
| 01:43:04 | xx50 | 5 |
| 01:43:05 | xx50 | 4 |
| 01:43:39 | xx50 | 3 |
| 01:44:16 | xx50 | sqr(9-1/1) |
| 01:44:26 | xx50 | sqr(9-1/2) |
| 01:44:37 | xx50 | clearly we're going to end up at 2.99999999 |
| 01:44:42 | xx50 | so, let's cut to the chase |
| 01:44:46 | xx50 | just what the hell is this chan about? |
| 01:44:57 | xx50 | it's NOT zaius, I KNOW that. |
| 01:45:08 | xx50 | zaurus ? API ? LIB ? |
| 01:45:20 | xx50 | time will tend to painting this picture well, |
| 01:45:36 | xx50 | as patience will the the god damn easle |
| 03:21:59 | Xentac | is back (gone 02:55:56) |
| 03:34:43 | Xentac | hey... are you killefiz from killefiz.de fame? |
| 03:39:28 | xx50 | finally |
| 03:39:48 | xx50 | neither actually |
| 03:39:56 | xx50 | oh crap |
| 03:40:00 | xx50 | anyone with a brain ? |
| 03:40:07 | xx50 | time is short |
| 03:40:13 | Xentac | what do you need? |
| 03:40:28 | Xentac | hopes he has a brain... but the jury's still out on that one |
| 03:41:32 | xx50 | I need better compiler optimization than DEC wants to offer me now |
| 03:41:59 | xx50 | I feel terrible, I don't even own any DEC |
| 03:42:07 | xx50 | and, wasn't DEC bought out ? |
| 03:42:18 | Xentac | ummmm... |
| 03:42:33 | Xentac | yeah, I believe DEC was bought out by Compaq... but I'm probably wrong |
| 03:42:56 | xx50 | well, as to what I need... |
| 03:43:06 | xx50 | I am not so sure I can present an acceptable answer |
| 03:43:28 | xx50 | tell you what |
| 03:43:35 | Xentac | hmmm...? |
| 03:44:24 | xx50 | $25 paypal says - no matter how things turns out, you will still be in truest, sincerest retrospect that things proceeded not as they would this eve |
| 03:45:08 | Xentac | huh? |
| 03:45:23 | xx50 | now, if you would just please allow our networks to bind to our travels... |
| 03:45:48 | xx50 | even closedzaurus is confused now... |
| 03:46:20 | xx50 | could somebody please put forth something OTHER than a microwaved pizza ? |
| 03:46:28 | xx50 | please ? |
| 03:46:48 | xx50 | is DEEPLY tormented by the Bush Admin |
| 03:47:18 | xx50 | forever reigns Bush Hell Stat Reminders on this god forsaken realm |
| 03:47:32 | xx50 | BushStat : -37 |
| 03:47:54 | xx50 | help - COM - somebody - I need to distribute myself. |
| 03:48:30 | xx50 | quotes: eventually, the mentally ill arrive at YOUR door step, do you say, hi, or bye ? |
| 03:49:27 | xx50 | I say, it don't make no never mind in the end, simple, if they are wearing anything close that you choose to defer meaning to as to close, close to that is, then, let em on in. |
| 03:50:08 | xx50 | if no, then, well, they probably were not meant for such ongoings. |
| 03:50:19 | xx50 | morons, our bus left |
| 03:50:21 | xx50 | wait |
| 03:50:21 | xx50 | not |
| 03:50:41 | xx50 | i would have to be a MORON to be on THAT bus. |
| 03:50:44 | xx50 | anyone agree ? |
| 03:50:54 | xx50 | disagree ? |
| 03:51:10 | xx50 | anyone opposed to unrestricted file/disk harvesting ? |
| 03:51:58 | xx50 | ok. thank you all for providing a unique connection to the GDbubyas-cube-rdbms.gov |
| 03:52:10 | xx50 | whoops |
| 03:52:34 | xx50 | that was only supposed to go out to deevee, mtm_away and Xentac |
| 03:52:47 | xx50 | damn the rest of you for listening |
| 03:53:39 | scanline | what... |
| 03:53:39 | xx50 | may your suffering end in the beginning of your introspection into pointless criteria with no goal whatsoever set for changing this state where Bush is going to get us all killed. |
| 03:53:44 | scanline | hmm |
| 03:54:19 | xx50 | I don't seek funds, I help others to deflect them. |
| 03:55:13 | xx50 | any Armenians here ? |
| 03:55:17 | xx50 | know what I mean ? |
| 03:55:22 | xx50 | tween ? |
| 03:55:59 | xx50 | down with the Turks, they offer no perks... |
| 03:56:02 | xx50 | down with the Turks, they offer no perks... |
| 03:56:10 | xx50 | Armenia forever |
| 03:56:27 | xx50 | is Zaurus shared so ? |
| 03:56:38 | xx50 | it sounds like a hip software name |
| 03:56:53 | xx50 | maybe it would go well with developers I know |
| 03:57:04 | xx50 | a name like zaurus you know |
| 03:57:11 | xx50 | could go a long way on its own |
| 03:57:27 | xx50 | before ever really knowing anything anchored in reality about it |
| 03:57:37 | xx50 | things are good that way sometimes, yes ? |
| 03:57:45 | xx50 | felloy zaurus peoples ? |
| 03:57:54 | xx50 | fellow zaurus peoples ? |
| 03:58:10 | xx50 | must go |
| 03:58:11 | xx50 | 8 |
| 03:58:14 | xx50 | 6 |
| 03:58:16 | xx50 | 3 |
| 03:58:17 | xx50 | 2 |
| 03:58:24 | xx50 | 1.1 |
| 03:58:26 | xx50 | 1.001 |
| 03:58:28 | xx50 | 1.0000000000001 |
| 03:58:32 | xx50 | 1.000000000000000000000000000000001\ |
| 03:58:36 | xx50 | 1.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 |
| 03:58:42 | xx50 | 1.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 |
| 03:58:49 | xx50 | 1.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 |
| 03:59:00 | xx50 | 1.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 |
| 03:59:00 | scanline | PicoBot: xx50 is a smeghead |
| 03:59:02 | PicoBot | OK, scanline. |
| 03:59:05 | xx50 | ok |
| 03:59:06 | xx50 | ok |
| 03:59:09 | xx50 | jeebus |
| 03:59:12 | xx50 | took long enough |
| 03:59:14 | xx50 | hello ? |
| 03:59:35 | scanline | PicoBot: xx50? |
| 03:59:35 | PicoBot | xx50 is a smeghead |
| 03:59:52 | xx50 | I'm not so sure |
| 04:00:01 | xx50 | define smeghead further |
| 04:00:22 | xx50 | or |
| 04:00:47 | xx50 | ok, choose to let the lack of further definition create a 'woo'ing of woo's |
| 04:01:13 | xx50 | listens to the woo's from the lacking in definition echo on |
| 04:01:24 | scanline | ibot: google for smeghead |
| 04:01:25 | | scanline: Google can't find smeghead |
| 04:01:35 | xx50 | prays somebody ends this god forsaken woo'ing. |
| 04:01:52 | scanline | PicoBot: smeghead is from Red Dwarf |
| 04:01:52 | PicoBot | OK, scanline. |
| 04:01:55 | xx50 | google can be used and purchasedm, AND sold. |
| 04:01:59 | xx50 | google is good. |
| 04:02:12 | xx50 | google can be used and purchased, AND sold. |
| 04:02:15 | scanline | PicoBot: xx50 is also most definitely a smeghead |
| 04:02:15 | PicoBot | okay, scanline. |
| 04:02:30 | xx50 | google is proprietary |
| 04:02:48 | xx50 | credit must be granted to its two creators |
| 04:03:12 | xx50 | i'd pay for google actually. |
| 04:03:29 | xx50 | it's that good of a resource. |
| 04:03:52 | xx50 | as a passive media resource, hands down, nothing better |
| 04:04:36 | xx50 | problem is, many people say, ok, yeah, so is this .exe or .mp3, that's a passive media that can be interchanged faster than you can say 1.x mbit. |
| 04:06:47 | xx50 | alas - people are sharing processes/processesae with no regards to prior business model incubatory mechanisms which has so far only helped new business to thrive |
| 04:07:14 | xx50 | aylo |
| 04:07:24 | xx50 | anyone at ALL reacting in here ? |
| 04:07:25 | xx50 | 5 |
| 04:07:26 | xx50 | 2 |
| 04:07:27 | xx50 | 1 |
| 04:07:38 | Xentac | yay |
| 04:10:27 | scanline | yay |
| 04:30:47 | Xentac | is away: comatose |
| 12:28:02 | Xentac | is back (gone 07:57:15) |
| 13:31:42 | gonkulator{work} | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:31:44 | gonkulator{work} | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 13:51:19 | Xentac | is away: wurk |
| 13:52:10 | gonkulator{work} | is away: working |
| 15:11:38 | MSpin | heya kergoth |
| 15:11:45 | kergoth | hey.. |
| 15:11:45 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 15:11:53 | MSpin | not too bad |
| 15:12:23 | MSpin | there is talk of using the zaurus as part of our product:) |
| 15:12:30 | MSpin | (hence the serial cable questions) |
| 15:13:20 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 15:13:40 | MSpin | I'll prolly end up using a stripped down OZ |
| 15:14:26 | MSpin | they'll need to run one app, nothing more |
| 15:45:08 | scanline | is away: class |
| 17:06:26 | scanline | is back (gone 01:21:18) |
| 17:09:10 | MSpin | how was class? |
| 17:11:54 | scanline | classy... or something |
| 17:12:07 | scanline | kinda boring.. it was just a recitation for Operating Systems |
| 17:12:25 | MSpin | ahhh |
| 17:12:33 | MSpin | I liked my OS class |
| 17:12:53 | MSpin | our prof was the lead on NTFS since day 1 |
| 17:13:05 | scanline | the class is fine, this was just a recitation.. didn't have any new material, just the TA trying to rehash stuff |
| 17:13:10 | scanline | our prof wrote our textbook :) |
| 17:13:34 | MSpin | hehe..yeah...I never went to any ofthe TA sections |
| 17:13:36 | MSpin | which book? |
| 17:13:43 | scanline | This guy seems to know some about unix/linux, a lot more about Win32, and nothing about anything else... |
| 17:13:50 | MSpin | haha |
| 17:14:11 | MSpin | ours knew *LOTS* about windows, was getting much better with linux |
| 17:14:23 | scanline | "Operating Systems: A Modern Perspective" |
| 17:14:29 | scanline | by Gary Nutt |
| 17:15:08 | scanline | Funny thing is, it's almost like he _likes_ the Win32 API convention of having a dozen parameters and more functions than you can count, instead of a small number of very modular simple functions |
| 17:15:18 | scanline | like CreateProcess(.. 10 parameters..) instead of fork() |
| 17:15:43 | MSpin | hehe, I can see advantages to both |
| 17:15:54 | scanline | he also makes a big deal about Windows NT having a real thread scheduler, and UNIX only having processes |
| 17:16:07 | scanline | What's the advantage to the CreateProcess approach? |
| 17:16:14 | scanline | it just turns into a mess |
| 17:16:46 | scanline | you have many parameters, most of them functions.. if the API changes either your code breaks or you have to be extra careful in the API to maintain compatibility |
| 17:16:49 | MSpin | finer control |
| 17:16:55 | scanline | it's the whole matter of thick interfaces vs thin interfaces |
| 17:16:58 | MSpin | yeah |
| 17:17:11 | MSpin | I'm just saying that smart people can argue either way |
| 17:17:11 | scanline | you have the same sort of control in fork(), you just do it by combining other functions |
| 17:17:28 | scanline | it's the same as with DirectX vs OpenGL |
| 17:17:29 | MSpin | and the group that designed the NT kernel i nthe early days are a bunch of smart people |
| 17:17:49 | scanline | doesn't mean they made the right choices |
| 17:18:05 | scanline | the kernel might be great, I haven't seen any of its code.. but I can't stand the design of the Win32 API |
| 17:19:18 | MSpin | the 'right choices' are never the same for all situations |
| 17:19:40 | [DrEvil] | why am I having probs checking out busybox from CVS |
| 17:19:45 | scanline | What's a situation where the thick interfaces are better? Maybe it's a little faster, but that's all I can think of |
| 17:19:52 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: I think I heard others with the same prob |
| 17:20:47 | MSpin | mmm...hot-add scsi:) |
| 17:20:50 | [DrEvil] | it is hanging on U busybox/util-linux/umount.c |
| 17:28:59 | gonkulator{work} | is away: class time |
| 17:35:13 | kerneljacabo | why doesnt my opie on my zaurus anti-alias text? |
| 17:35:16 | kerneljacabo | what package do i need |
| 17:55:13 | [DrEvil] | is it supposed to anti-alias text? |
| 17:55:55 | kergoth | heh. the fonts are prerendered |
| 17:56:56 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: are you going to switch to evas if raster gets it all going on the Z? |
| 17:58:17 | kergoth | well, you can use evas either directly on the fb, or with qtopia.. i.e. an evas app could run on qtopia, or a qtopia app could use evas functions.. but i doubt i'll use it in any key way. i may include the lib so apps can use it.. |
| 17:58:45 | kergoth | now if I knew where to get a set of evas pim apps, it may be worth looking into.. |
| 17:59:17 | [DrEvil] | his launcher looked pretty |
| 17:59:56 | kergoth | yeah, very much so |
| 18:00:01 | kergoth | wonder if thats available anywhere |
| 18:01:47 | [DrEvil] | I wonder how easy it would be to integrate the qpe/opie apps into it |
| 18:03:00 | kergoth | existing opie apps? you'd have to convert them to use evas functions |
| 18:03:11 | kergoth | not sure whatd be involved there |
| 18:03:16 | kergoth | ponders |
| 18:03:23 | kergoth | we should pester raster next time he comes around |
| 18:04:15 | [DrEvil] | I am talking about just having them appear in that launcher |
| 18:06:17 | scanline | right now the evas thing isn't even a real GUI, just a demo. raster still needs to write the client/server layer so it can run multiple apps |
| 18:07:19 | scanline | should be pretty spiffy when that's done |
| 18:08:53 | kergoth | ah thats right, i forgot about the redesign.. the old evas works fine, but evas2 is the future |
| 18:15:14 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: did you try checking out busybox? |
| 18:27:14 | nasa | ping |
| 18:40:30 | scanline | is away: class |
| 19:13:19 | kerneljacabo | whats up with the 2.9.5.5? |
| 19:13:39 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:13:46 | kergoth | thats a pretty general question :-) |
| 19:14:01 | kerneljacabo | like there is only an intrd there |
| 19:14:04 | kerneljacabo | is that it? |
| 19:14:08 | kerneljacabo | no kernels |
| 19:15:34 | kerneljacabo | no zimage |
| 19:15:47 | kergoth | use the previous kernels, they didnt change |
| 19:16:04 | kerneljacabo | ok so whats the deal with the naming convention for the kernels |
| 19:16:19 | kergoth | zImage_RAMsize-ramdisksize |
| 19:16:31 | kerneljacabo | ramdisk meaning storage right? |
| 19:16:33 | kergoth | i.e. 40-24 means you have a 24 meg ramdisk, and the remaining 40mb is ram |
| 19:16:36 | kergoth | yes. ramdisk is storage |
| 19:16:49 | kergoth | some people who isntall apps to sd or cf just use a kenrel without a ramdisk, cause they dont need it |
| 19:16:52 | kergoth | myself, i use 40-24 |
| 19:17:05 | scan[ibook] | 32-32 forever! :) |
| 19:17:15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:17:24 | scan[ibook] | 8-56 would be nice :) |
| 19:17:29 | kerneljacabo | well i have a 5000D |
| 19:17:42 | kergoth | looks like usb networking is broken in 2.4.7-rmk3-np1-embedix (the testing kernel) |
| 19:17:57 | kergoth | kerneljacabo: then i'd recommend 26-6 if you dont have a cf or sd to install apps to, or 32 if you do |
| 19:20:01 | kerneljacabo | well i have a sf card but i mostly use the slot for 802.11 |
| 19:20:12 | kergoth | ah cool. in that case you'll probably want 26-6 |
| 19:20:17 | kergoth | but you can always change kernels later |
| 19:20:37 | kerneljacabo | i need to buy a sd card |
| 19:20:50 | kerneljacabo | only 6 megs for stuff though? |
| 19:20:53 | kerneljacabo | seems small |
| 19:21:21 | kerneljacabo | i know its not but still |
| 19:21:51 | scan[ibook] | doesn't seem like you need 26 MB of free memory to run stuff though... |
| 19:21:59 | scan[ibook] | even with Qt |
| 19:22:00 | kergoth | scan[ibook]: this is qt, remember.. |
| 19:22:05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:22:12 | kerneljacabo | well the 500d has 16 megs of flash and 32 ram right? |
| 19:22:15 | kerneljacabo | 5000d |
| 19:22:16 | kergoth | seriously, i used to run out of ram on the 20-12 |
| 19:22:17 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:22:22 | scan[ibook] | 16MB is kinda tight for Qtopia, maybe something between 16 and 26? |
| 19:22:24 | scan[ibook] | haha |
| 19:23:43 | kerneljacabo | ok this may sound stupid but why use a ramdisk as opposed to just storing in flash or is that just your terminology |
| 19:24:06 | kergoth | kerneljacabo: you can store in flash, but thats not sufficient for most people |
| 19:24:06 | scan[ibook] | not much free flash |
| 19:24:19 | kergoth | scan[ibook]: speaking of which, i think i'm going to remove those damn terminfo entries todya |
| 19:24:33 | scan[ibook] | cheers for kergoth |
| 19:24:45 | kergoth | i like 5 megs is a bit much, even with compression |
| 19:24:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:24:47 | kergoth | er |
| 19:24:50 | kergoth | s/like/think/ |
| 19:24:50 | scan[ibook] | I haven't been doing much with OZ lately.. busy with school and the textbox widget |
| 19:24:50 | kergoth | wtf |
| 19:24:55 | kergoth | my hands arent obeying me lately |
| 19:24:59 | kergoth | textbox widget.. nifty |
| 19:24:59 | scan[ibook] | yeah.. it's way too huge |
| 19:25:00 | kerneljacabo | what do you mean 16 meg flash isnt enough space? |
| 19:25:13 | scan[ibook] | kerneljacabo: too much crufty buildup :) |
| 19:25:15 | kergoth | kerneljacabo: not for most. you only have about 3 megs free by default |
| 19:25:26 | kerneljacabo | why? |
| 19:25:29 | kerneljacabo | whats in there |
| 19:25:32 | scan[ibook] | it's still kinda insane.. the Helio had 2MB flash, and that was plenty |
| 19:25:36 | kergoth | opie, and some opie apps |
| 19:25:42 | kergoth | and libc, and ssh, and ssl, etc |
| 19:25:44 | scan[ibook] | glibc is big |
| 19:25:45 | kergoth | it adds up |
| 19:25:48 | kerneljacabo | why not use no ramdisk and use straight flash |
| 19:25:49 | kergoth | yeah, glibc is fucking huge |
| 19:25:55 | kergoth | kerneljacabo: you're not listening. |
| 19:26:02 | kergoth | kerneljacabo: you can, but that isnt enough for most people. |
| 19:26:04 | scan[ibook] | it'd be cool to have the option of using uClibc in OZ |
| 19:26:09 | kergoth | scan[ibook]: on the todo |
| 19:26:12 | kerneljacabo | i got it |
| 19:26:12 | scan[ibook] | spiffy |
| 19:26:13 | kerneljacabo | sorry |
| 19:26:17 | kerneljacabo | very tired |
| 19:26:22 | kergoth | scan[ibook]: going to grab the uclibc build commands from the tuxscreen buildroot |
| 19:26:24 | scan[ibook] | likes kergoth's todo list =) |
| 19:26:31 | kerneljacabo | anyway uglibc is a good idea |
| 19:28:31 | scan[ibook] | kerneljacabo: on the Helio, we fit a small linux kernel, uClibc, busybox, picogui, and a few apps in 2MB with maybe 400k free |
| 19:28:47 | kerneljacabo | thats sweet |
| 19:28:56 | scan[ibook] | been a while, so I don't remember exactly how much free space there was... |
| 19:29:00 | scan[ibook] | but it was nice and tiny |
| 19:29:05 | kerneljacabo | kergoth nice work dude |
| 19:29:07 | kerneljacabo | you rule |
| 19:29:09 | kergoth | bah |
| 19:29:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:29:24 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 19:30:01 | MSpin | how much could be gained by compressing the filesystem? |
| 19:30:13 | kergoth | jffs2 is compressed. |
| 19:30:21 | MSpin | ahh, ok, I didn't realize |
| 19:30:27 | kerneljacabo | anyway ill be back soon need to do somethings |
| 19:30:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:42:18 | scan[ibook] | is away: class over |
| 19:48:25 | scan[ibook] | is back (gone 00:06:07) |
| 19:50:15 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: did you try openssh? |
| 19:53:27 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: yep, downloaded and built |
| 19:53:32 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: what error message are you seeing? |
| 19:53:38 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 19:53:43 | [DrEvil] | compiler build errors |
| 19:54:11 | [DrEvil] | let me try this again |
| 19:54:25 | [DrEvil] | did you change any patches? |
| 19:56:33 | MSpin | whats with all these Illegal seek erros in the psot inst scrips after updating? |
| 19:57:30 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: nope |
| 19:57:33 | kergoth | MSpin: no idea, they're annoying though |
| 19:57:42 | MSpin | ya |
| 19:58:36 | [DrEvil] | wow |
| 19:58:41 | [DrEvil] | it built the third time |
| 19:58:44 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:58:57 | [DrEvil] | throws his arms in the air |
| 19:59:58 | [DrEvil] | I guess I will continue my dl of qte-2.3.4 |
| 20:00:12 | [DrEvil] | so I can at least then get a start of a cvs co of opie |
| 20:01:13 | MSpin | is wget part of busybox now? |
| 20:01:39 | [DrEvil] | kergoth |
| 20:01:54 | kergoth | MSpin: has been for a while, but the one in busybox didnt work with ipkg for a while |
| 20:01:56 | [DrEvil] | why does make kernel-2.4.7 try and download linux-2.4.7 |
| 20:02:00 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:02:03 | [DrEvil] | and not linux-2.4.7.tar.gz |
| 20:02:07 | kergoth | oh |
| 20:02:14 | kergoth | it grabs my 2.4.7 tree from bitkeeper directly |
| 20:02:15 | MSpin | kergoth: yeah, so this is fixed now? and I can remove wget? |
| 20:02:20 | kergoth | instead of applying a quadrillion patches |
| 20:02:28 | [DrEvil] | grrrr |
| 20:02:41 | kergoth | MSpin: i believe so. familiar 0.6 uses busybox, and their busybox has wget built into it.. |
| 20:02:47 | kergoth | MSpin: so i took that as a confirmation that it works |
| 20:02:49 | kergoth | MSpin: hehe |
| 20:02:50 | MSpin | k |
| 20:02:58 | [DrEvil] | I already have a 2.4.7 tree |
| 20:04:54 | MSpin | um, now I have no wget |
| 20:06:18 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:06:23 | kergoth | arent catch 22's fun? |
| 20:06:26 | MSpin | yup |
| 20:06:41 | MSpin | well, I figured that I'd need to reinstall BB |
| 20:06:49 | MSpin | so I downloaded it before removing wget |
| 20:07:06 | MSpin | then a ipkg install --force-reinstall busybox... |
| 20:07:34 | kergoth | s/--/-; |
| 20:08:07 | MSpin | ya |
| 20:08:18 | kergoth | hm, could force a install of busybox before removing wget, then remove wget, and confirm busybox's wget symlink exists.. |
| 20:08:23 | kergoth | wonder whats the sanest way to handle that |
| 20:12:47 | MSpin | busybox_20020909-1e doesn't seem to make hte wget link |
| 20:14:07 | kergoth | hm, thats odd |
| 20:14:15 | MSpin | actually |
| 20:14:23 | MSpin | it's not ven compiled with wget support |
| 20:14:36 | kergoth | gah |
| 20:14:40 | kergoth | hold on |
| 20:14:40 | scan[ibook] | doesn't OZ use a separate wget? |
| 20:14:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:14:48 | kergoth | scan[ibook]: it did, but i'm trying to save us space |
| 20:14:57 | scan[ibook] | ah, good plan |
| 20:16:05 | scan[ibook] | grr... my 64-bit PCI slots don't seem to be supported, and this board only has 3 32-bit PCI slots... I'll prolly have to give up my sound card and use onboard sound to get my ethernet working, until the 64-bit slots work |
| 20:16:38 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 20:16:54 | kergoth | what board have you got? I'd love to get one with 64 bit slots, then i could get a nicer raid card |
| 20:17:15 | scan[ibook] | it's an Asus board.. I forget the model, but it's dual athlon, AMD 760MXP chipset |
| 20:17:24 | scan[ibook] | only 64-bit card I have now is a d-link gigabit ethernet |
| 20:18:00 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 20:18:03 | scan[ibook] | it was about $200... expensive, but normal for dual boards |
| 20:18:06 | kergoth | i need an upgrade |
| 20:18:26 | scan[ibook] | I used my existing Athlon XP and a new one I got cheap, modded them into athlon MPs using a pencil :) |
| 20:18:51 | kergoth | hah, nice |
| 20:19:47 | scan[ibook] | yeah.. only thing I miss on this motherboard is a few extra PCI slots. other than that it's pretty sweet |
| 20:19:54 | scan[ibook] | nice bios |
| 20:21:19 | MSpin | how stable has that dual athlon been? |
| 20:21:46 | scan[ibook] | So far, it's been great. but i've had it up for less than a day, so I wouldn't call that definitive yet :) |
| 20:21:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:22:10 | MSpin | ahh |
| 20:22:13 | MSpin | I nearly got one |
| 20:22:16 | scan[ibook] | I must have compiled 4 kernels on it trying to get the 64-bit PCI working |
| 20:22:25 | MSpin | instead I put the money into the 18" LCD:) |
| 20:22:26 | scan[ibook] | sucks that 2.4.19 barfs when compiled with -j3 |
| 20:22:32 | scan[ibook] | yummm |
| 20:22:35 | kergoth | MSpin: nicee |
| 20:22:37 | scan[ibook] | bigger than my LCD |
| 20:22:46 | kergoth | still has a 19" sony trinitron crt, no lcd |
| 20:22:48 | kergoth | sniffles |
| 20:23:00 | MSpin | kergoth: flat CRT? |
| 20:23:01 | scan[ibook] | 19" trinitrons are nice... |
| 20:23:08 | scan[ibook] | CRTs still have better color quality |
| 20:23:12 | kergoth | yes, flat crt, the trinitron tube's are very nice |
| 20:23:18 | MSpin | yeah, I love those |
| 20:23:25 | scan[ibook] | I like my LCD's text clarity though.. it's amazing how every pixel is square and stays where you put it |
| 20:23:26 | kergoth | its being flaky though |
| 20:23:26 | MSpin | but this samsung is fabulous |
| 20:23:37 | kergoth | once in a while my screewn jumps randomly to the right or left by about a centimeter |
| 20:23:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:23:52 | MSpin | hehe |
| 20:24:02 | MSpin | I have a single dead pixel which rather suchs |
| 20:24:07 | MSpin | but I don't really notice it |
| 20:24:35 | kergoth | remember the first time you tried a new style crt? with the two lines accross the screen? |
| 20:24:42 | kergoth | that annoyed me to no end for a while before i stopped noticing it |
| 20:24:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:24:47 | MSpin | hehe yeah |
| 20:24:49 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 20:25:03 | scan[ibook] | my first trinitron was a 17" my dad bought.. was like $700 at the time |
| 20:28:23 | [DrEvil] | MSpin: is it a good thing to have SSID broadcast set to on? |
| 20:28:36 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: in? |
| 20:28:47 | MSpin | kergoth: so, I need to reinstall wget? |
| 20:28:48 | [DrEvil] | on my AP |
| 20:29:16 | [DrEvil] | I can disable SSID broadcast |
| 20:29:24 | MSpin | it allows your devices to pickup the AP if they are set to 'ANY' |
| 20:29:35 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 20:29:38 | MSpin | it also lets everyone else know that you're there |
| 20:29:41 | [DrEvil] | I'm going to turn it off then |
| 20:29:43 | MSpin | yeah |
| 20:30:36 | kerneljacabo | how come when i do an ipkg upgrade it always freezes in the middle |
| 20:30:57 | kerneljacabo | and then when i restart it corrupts the package database and messes up what i have installed and what i dont |
| 20:35:01 | [DrEvil] | now the cvs checkout from hell begins |
| 20:35:05 | MSpin | heh |
| 20:35:11 | [DrEvil] | opie |
| 20:35:42 | [DrEvil] | and on a modem |
| 20:36:10 | MSpin | ok, I could really use a window fan right about now |
| 20:36:35 | scan[ibook] | puts a copy of windows XP in MSpin's window |
| 20:36:49 | MSpin | hehe |
| 20:37:20 | scan[ibook] | might as well find a use for software that blows :) |
| 20:38:28 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 20:38:39 | [DrEvil] | I think I might have to get out my car buffer after I finish painting this case |
| 20:39:19 | scan[ibook] | fills up [DrEvil]'s car buffer |
| 20:39:24 | scan[ibook] | traffic jam! |
| 20:39:53 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 20:40:05 | [DrEvil] | I am using Mirage paint on the case |
| 20:40:58 | [DrEvil] | I wish the kit came with full sized cans |
| 20:41:39 | scan[ibook] | PicoBot: class? |
| 20:41:40 | PicoBot | hmmm... class is over |
| 21:33:21 | kergoth | MSpin: the updated busybox in the feed has the wget support |
| 21:33:22 | kergoth | re |
| 21:34:06 | nasa | kergoth: so when do you think you will have the usb problem fixed with the latest kernel? |
| 21:34:20 | kergoth | nasa: probably tonight.. not sure.. i'm at work atm |
| 21:37:45 | nasa | ok |
| 21:38:57 | nasa | kergoth: while you are looking at it -- don't forget about not being able to mount sd cards |
| 21:39:04 | nasa | kergoth: regardless of how they are formatted |
| 21:40:17 | nasa | kergoth: that reminds me -- I installed the fdisk utility from the feed while I was troubleshooting the mounting problem. It caused a 'bus error' every time I tried to view a partition |
| 21:40:52 | nasa | kergoth: enough bad news? |
| 21:43:50 | MSpin | kergoth: yeah, I jsut noticed that |
| 21:44:05 | MSpin | thanks |
| 21:57:25 | MSpin | kergoth: can we get busybox to support diff? |
| 22:03:33 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: the irda-common.mk hack is broken |
| 22:03:45 | [DrEvil] | Building dependency irda-common |
| 22:03:46 | [DrEvil] | make[2]: Entering directory `/devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz' |
| 22:03:46 | [DrEvil] | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
| 22:03:46 | [DrEvil] | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: `( true; ); for i in ; do for j in ; do if [ ! -e $i ]; then if (echo $j | grep `echo $i|sed -e 's,.*/,,g;'` >/dev/null 2>&1); then echo Obtaining sources of irda-common...; source /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/configs/methods/source; _source $j $i; fi; fi; done; done;' |
| 22:03:46 | [DrEvil] | make[2]: *** [source] Error 2 |
| 22:04:03 | kergoth | oh, it doesnt like that Sources is empty |
| 22:04:39 | kergoth | k |
| 22:04:41 | kergoth | updates TODO |
| 22:04:59 | [DrEvil] | building opie wants irda-common |
| 22:05:17 | kergoth | yeah, i know |
| 22:05:23 | kergoth | i forgot that your shell doesnt like empty Depends |
| 22:05:30 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 22:06:01 | [DrEvil] | who would like a full Depends |
| 22:06:10 | nasa | kergoth: did you see my earlier messages |
| 22:07:56 | [DrEvil] | oh well |
| 22:07:56 | [DrEvil] | I am going to go to the gym |
| 22:08:04 | [DrEvil] | maybe the busybox cvs will work for me by the time I get back |
| 22:09:06 | MSpin | the CF card doesn't seem to work anymore either |
| 22:10:37 | MSpin | kergoth: do you have to have power plugged into that serial cable for it to work? |
| 22:40:37 | scanline | is away: food? of course not... |
| 23:19:34 | Xentac | is back (gone 09:28:13) |