00:35:35 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: sleeep. |
03:56:54 | bug1 | For those who remeber from last nigh, i fixed my zaurus |
03:57:14 | bug1 | those usb CF reader/writers are darn handy |
04:07:50 | bug1 | why use minixfs on the ramdisk, why not use ramfs, its better |
04:21:04 | kergoth`zzzz | bug1: ramfs isnt persistant. |
04:21:09 | kergoth`zzzz | bug1: fyi |
04:21:33 | jmhodges | hehe |
04:21:40 | jmhodges | insomniac kergoth |
04:21:53 | kergoth`zzzz | yeh, watched tv instead |
04:21:59 | kergoth`zzzz | hehe |
04:22:01 | bug1 | yes i know, but isnt the minixfs on the ram, not the 16 MB flash, or is the 64MB all flash |
04:22:09 | kergoth`zzzz | bug1: huh? |
04:22:16 | kergoth`zzzz | bug1: yes, minix is being used on a ramdisk |
04:22:41 | kergoth`zzzz | bug1: specically, mtdram, which is a ramdisk that is set aside at compiletime, whereas ramfs is dynamic is size and nature, and is not persistant. |
04:22:42 | bug1 | so the minix ramdisk isnt persistent either |
04:22:50 | kergoth`zzzz | bug1: yes, it is. |
04:22:55 | kergoth`zzzz | bug1: across reboots anyway. |
04:23:09 | bug1 | hmm |
04:23:14 | kergoth`zzzz | bug1: and as i said, its size is hardcoded at the end of the memory space, not dynamic in nature |
04:23:33 | kergoth`zzzz | bug1: by its very deisgn ramfs loses its contents on reboot. it could not be persistent when its simply allocated with malloc |
04:23:43 | kergoth`zzzz | bug1: or rather, kmalloc |
04:24:14 | bug1 | fair enough |
04:24:29 | kergoth`zzzz | bug1: and given a disk whose size increases and decreases as data is added or removed, how would you know what size it would be when the kernel comes up next? |
04:24:37 | kergoth`zzzz | heh |
04:25:43 | bug1 | kergoth`zzzz: i work on busybox, so if you have any requests let me know |
04:26:04 | bug1 | i see its used a fair bit |
04:26:30 | Xentac | hears that busybox-20020906 is broked... who does he complain to? |
04:26:43 | Xentac | er... 20020916-2 |
04:26:58 | kergoth`zzzz | indeed. Its an excellent project. I spoke with .. shit i dont recall his nick. mjsomethingother, who also works on busybox and uClibc, the other day ... i mentioned that busybox diff would be useful :) |
04:27:03 | bug1 | Xentac: mention it on the mailing list at busybox.net |
04:27:28 | kergoth`zzzz | I'm glad to see busybox awk got added recently |
04:27:35 | Xentac | bug1: I'll get around to it... ;o) |
04:28:34 | bug1 | kergoth`zzzz: mjn3, Manuel Novoa III, hes an excellent programmer |
04:28:49 | kergoth`zzzz | yes, thats the name, thanks. I got that impression |
04:29:37 | bug1 | he was talking about diff yesterday, aparently he found some old diff source code from minix, he wasnt very impressed with it htough |
04:29:52 | kergoth`zzzz | hehe. yep, didnt have unified diff support, unfortunately |
04:30:13 | bug1 | Xentac: what problem were you having with busybox ? |
04:30:39 | kergoth`zzzz | Xentac: the bug we saw may not be a busybox bug, it could very well be something with one of hte libraries or something in my build environment. I would like to do further testing. |
04:30:49 | Xentac | bug1: wasn't me... a guy in #zaurus was saying that wget (and I believe all busybox functions) were giving him an "Illegal Instruction" error |
04:30:55 | kergoth`zzzz | bug1: "Illegal instruction" on execution of busybox functions |
04:30:57 | kergoth`zzzz | yeah, that |
04:30:59 | Xentac | kergothalrighty |
04:31:00 | kergoth`zzzz | heh |
04:31:18 | Xentac | wasn't sure who he was supposed to complain to... and since you were both here ;o) |
04:31:38 | bug1 | hmmm... i havent seen that before |
04:31:54 | kergoth`zzzz | yes, it struct me as odd, to say the least |
04:32:04 | Xentac | hehehe... struct... |
04:32:07 | bug1 | maybe it was a compile error, like it was compiled for the wrong cpu |
04:32:08 | kergoth`zzzz | hah |
04:32:12 | kergoth`zzzz | s/struct/struck/ |
04:32:14 | kergoth`zzzz | lol |
04:32:36 | bug1 | doesnt sound like a busybox error message |
04:32:57 | kergoth`zzzz | indeed. which is why I want to pursue possible issues in my build environment and/or sanity ;-) |
04:33:13 | Xentac | questions kergoth's sanity |
04:33:52 | kergoth`zzzz | Xentac: thanks, you're so reassuring ;-) |
04:34:09 | Xentac | kergoth`zzzz: no prob... that's what I'm here for... I'm that pain in your side that won't go away |
04:34:24 | Xentac | you thought it was gal stones... but it's me all along! |
04:34:59 | kergoth`zzzz | hah, okay, i better hit the sack, so to speak, so i'm at least semi-conscious at work tomorrow. |
04:35:02 | kergoth`zzzz | night all |
04:35:57 | Xentac | night kergoth`zzzz |
04:37:16 | jmhodges | night kergoth`zzzz |
04:37:59 | Xentac | is away: trying to sleep |
04:42:17 | bug1 | I want to mount the initrd on my i386 to look at it, its jffs2 as far as i can see, jffs2 is greyed out in the kernels make xconfig, does it depend on other options ? |
04:47:58 | bug1 | ahh, you need MTD devices selected |
06:59:27 | bug1 | what filesystem is initrd-2.9.5.5.bin, minix ? |
06:59:51 | bug1 | mount -o loop -t minix initrd-2.9.5.5.bin /mnt2 doesnt work |
07:19:38 | bug1 | the openzaurus kernel looks like its compiled without loop support so i cant try and mount it there |
07:37:24 | bug1 | losetup -o 1835008 /dev/loop0 initrd-2.9.5.5.bin; mount /dev/loop0 /mnt2 doesnt work either |
07:38:28 | bug1 | maybe 1835008 is the worng offset |
12:13:07 | Xentac | is back (gone 07:35:09) |
12:54:56 | Xentac | is away: I'm busy |
13:02:15 | scanline | is away: Spam, spam, spam, scrambled eggs, and spam |
13:21:56 | scanline | is back (gone 00:19:41) |
13:31:57 | Xentac | is back (gone 00:37:01) |
13:49:08 | Xentac | is away: wurk |
14:11:50 | gonkulator{work} | is back (gone 20:36:38) |
14:36:37 | Microdim | kergoth: did you figure out what was wrong with ipkg? |
15:45:31 | gonkulator{work} | PicoBot: hi |
15:45:31 | PicoBot | hi, gonkulator{work} |
15:45:36 | gonkulator{work} | PicoBot: yow |
15:45:37 | PicoBot | I like your SNOOPY POSTER!! |
15:45:39 | gonkulator{work} | PicoBot: yow |
15:45:40 | PicoBot | CONGRATULATIONS! Now should I make thinly veiled comments about DIGNITY, self-esteem and finding TRUE FUN in your RIGHT VENTRICLE?? |
18:41:58 | VerxWork | hay low |
18:42:07 | VerxWork | anyone alive in here? |
18:42:20 | kergoth | barely |
18:42:22 | VerxWork | heh |
18:42:31 | VerxWork | how are you kergoth? |
18:43:10 | kergoth | not bad, other than being stuck ats work |
18:43:14 | kergoth | s/ats/at/ |
18:43:14 | kergoth | you? |
18:43:46 | VerxWork | really busy |
18:43:51 | VerxWork | have a quiz at school tomorrow |
18:44:01 | VerxWork | 3 quizes in the class are worth 50% of our grade |
18:44:08 | kergoth | damn |
18:44:09 | kergoth | good luck |
18:44:18 | VerxWork | we get to drop one quiz, and they said they get progressively harder |
18:44:26 | VerxWork | and to expect to get a 5% or less on the last one |
18:44:31 | VerxWork | so I am a tad bit nervous about it |
18:44:38 | VerxWork | thanks, I think I can use a bit of luck |
18:45:32 | VerxWork | so what's new with the feed? |
18:45:38 | VerxWork | anything I should update to get? |
18:45:52 | VerxWork | I have been so busy lately, I haven't kept up with what is going on in OZland |
18:47:07 | kergoth | the feed is all screwy |
18:47:12 | kergoth | busybox is giving illegal instructions |
18:47:15 | kergoth | for some reason |
18:47:19 | VerxWork | yikes |
18:47:28 | kergoth | yeah, not good |
18:47:28 | kergoth | hehe |
18:47:48 | VerxWork | heh |
18:47:56 | VerxWork | probably just a problem in cvs |
18:48:01 | VerxWork | is it sandman that does busybox? |
18:48:05 | VerxWork | I am trying to remember who did that |
18:48:43 | VerxWork | if it is, I think he will likely fix it in moments - sandman is incredibly fast at finding/fixing problems |
18:48:52 | VerxWork | he just needs to be informed of the issue |
18:49:12 | gonkulator{work} | is away: food time |
18:50:17 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
18:52:03 | MSpin | yeah, BB is not good |
18:59:34 | VerxWork | BB is a good thing |
18:59:35 | VerxWork | truly it is |
18:59:40 | VerxWork | it just needs some bugs worked out |
18:59:45 | VerxWork | it saves SOOOOO much space in ROM |
18:59:52 | VerxWork | it makes the 16MB rom very very viable |
19:18:49 | BZFlag | VerxWork: yeah, sandman. |
19:19:15 | BZFlag | wants pivot_root and telnet turned on in sandman's BB build. |
19:19:55 | BZFlag | course removing all the other packages in root takes time. |
19:20:10 | TheMasterMind1 | hey BZFlag |
19:20:18 | BZFlag | and modutils needs to be removed, then busybox --install -s, then reinstalled to get the depmod script. |
19:20:22 | BZFlag | er binary. |
19:20:24 | BZFlag | TheMasterMind1: hey. |
19:20:47 | BZFlag | wonders why everyone is saying hey to him today. ;-) |
19:21:13 | VerxWork | hey |
19:21:16 | VerxWork | ducks |
19:21:17 | VerxWork | :) |
19:21:31 | VerxWork | man, I am very tired right now |
19:21:40 | VerxWork | I have to be here at work for another 2 hours or so |
19:21:45 | VerxWork | and then go to school for about 5 hours |
19:21:49 | VerxWork | and then do homework |
19:21:50 | VerxWork | bleh |
19:22:35 | BZFlag | hands VerxWork a jolt |
19:23:04 | VerxWork | yeah |
19:23:05 | VerxWork | well |
19:23:15 | VerxWork | I used to work at an oil shop called "Jiffy Lube" |
19:23:20 | VerxWork | worked 10 hour shifts |
19:23:22 | VerxWork | and got real hot |
19:23:26 | VerxWork | next door was a 7-11 |
19:23:39 | VerxWork | I typically had a MINIMUM of 6 48oz Dr. Peppers a day back then |
19:23:46 | VerxWork | for a bit over 3 years |
19:23:58 | VerxWork | caffeine has no effect on me any more |
19:24:48 | VerxWork | we had fleet customers that would drive from Texas directly to our shop every day for an oil change. I live in Arizona. A vehicle driven like that, continuously, is pretty frigging hot, especially in Arizona. :) |
19:24:55 | VerxWork | is so glad to have a desk job at Boeing now. :) |
19:56:17 | gonkulator{work} | is back (gone 01:07:05) |
20:48:15 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
20:48:35 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
23:13:37 | bug1 | just learnt you cant loop mount a jffs2 filesystem, you need to use the blkmtd driver (or something) |
23:14:06 | bug1 | woops |
23:15:59 | TheMasterMind1 | oz is so bad right now |
23:16:04 | TheMasterMind1 | needs a lot of fixing and stuff |
23:17:01 | bug1 | if here that the packaging is broken, whats broken about it ? |
23:19:40 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
23:20:16 | bug1 | i hear the packaging system is buggy |
23:20:25 | TheMasterMind1 | its not buggy, its just shitty |
23:20:35 | TheMasterMind1 | and everyone's too lazy to improve it |
23:20:51 | bug1 | ahh |
23:21:10 | bug1 | ipkg |
23:21:21 | TheMasterMind1 | 20:27:24 up 20 days, 23:55, 3 users, load average: 0.21, 0.24, 0.10 |
23:21:27 | TheMasterMind1 | fear my uptime |
23:21:40 | bug1 | hehe |
23:23:49 | bug1 | i did a busybox version of dpkg, its a long way from perfect though |
23:24:18 | bug1 | havent touched it for ages now |