| 00:00:00 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 00:01:15 | TheMasterMind1 | stuipd abiword crashed |
| 00:01:21 | TheMasterMind1 | saved my work though |
| 00:21:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: atd done, busybox done |
| 00:21:24 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 00:21:31 | TheMasterMind1 | how many left :oP |
| 00:21:52 | kergoth | around 4289753 |
| 00:21:54 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:23:39 | Xentac | is away: being beat up |
| 00:28:50 | TheMasterMind1 | does depends work? |
| 00:29:45 | KeyserSoze | that depends... |
| 00:29:57 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
| 00:30:00 | KeyserSoze | (sorry, i have no idea what you're talking about, i just had to reply that way) |
| 00:31:57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: depends works, but its still set up manually |
| 00:32:03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm doing them as i go |
| 00:32:05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :) |
| 00:32:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: in other words, it'll be transparent to people trying to use it to build things, just a bit of work when you add a given package |
| 00:32:41 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 00:32:48 | TheMasterMind1 | fun for me |
| 00:32:53 | kergoth | :-) |
| 00:32:56 | kergoth | its not that bad, i'll document it |
| 00:33:06 | kergoth | how shit works i mean, and how to add an item |
| 00:33:21 | TheMasterMind1 | okeydoke |
| 00:44:50 | TheMasterMind1 | keep syncing stuff up |
| 00:46:09 | kergoth | you know how to update right? |
| 00:46:11 | kergoth | (bk pull) |
| 00:46:20 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 00:46:53 | TheMasterMind1 | while [ 1 ]; do sleep 60; bk pull; done |
| 00:47:53 | TheMasterMind1 | http://gelbnet.com:8080/profile/view.php?id=12 |
| 00:47:57 | TheMasterMind1 | must read |
| 01:33:55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: bk pull :) |
| 01:34:39 | TheMasterMind1 | arsenic:/zaurus/buildroot# make clean |
| 01:34:48 | TheMasterMind1 | /zaurus/buildroot/Rules.make:148: target `packages/bash' given more than once in the same rule. |
| 01:34:56 | TheMasterMind1 | whatever make i do it does make config |
| 01:34:57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:35:39 | TheMasterMind1 | make clean asks you to answer the questions, then cleans |
| 01:35:40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:35:55 | TheMasterMind1 | make menuconfig still doesn't work |
| 01:35:57 | kergoth | hm, doesnt do that here |
| 01:36:01 | kergoth | okay bk pull |
| 01:36:09 | kergoth | i fixed the duplicate bash target |
| 01:36:22 | TheMasterMind1 | i think that make clean thing was just something weird |
| 01:36:24 | TheMasterMind1 | from what i had before |
| 01:36:28 | TheMasterMind1 | make menuconfig is broke though |
| 01:36:36 | kergoth | i know about menuconfig |
| 01:36:37 | TheMasterMind1 | Enable support for GNU long filenames (CONFIG_FEATURE_GNUTAR_LONG_FILENAME) [N |
| 01:36:38 | TheMasterMind1 | new busybox |
| 01:36:39 | kergoth | not my problem |
| 01:36:44 | kergoth | i'm waiting for him to fix menuconfig |
| 01:36:45 | TheMasterMind1 | openvt (CONFIG_OPENVT) [N/y/?] (NEW) |
| 01:36:48 | kergoth | when he fixes it, we get it fixed |
| 01:36:52 | TheMasterMind1 | mesg (CONFIG_MESG) [N/y/?] (NEW) |
| 01:36:53 | kergoth | yeah, i'll commit a new busybox patch |
| 01:36:56 | kergoth | there's top now too |
| 01:36:56 | TheMasterMind1 | top (CONFIG_TOP) [N/y/?] (NEW) |
| 01:36:58 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:37:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:37:05 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 01:37:25 | TheMasterMind1 | it does all those things we implemented before? |
| 01:37:29 | TheMasterMind1 | update from cvs etc |
| 01:37:35 | TheMasterMind1 | depends tracking |
| 01:38:04 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm. it finished |
| 01:38:09 | TheMasterMind1 | built only busybox looks like |
| 01:38:17 | kergoth | then run make config |
| 01:38:21 | kergoth | and select more than just busybox |
| 01:38:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:39:14 | TheMasterMind1 | why do we have dosfs? |
| 01:39:30 | kergoth | vfat? |
| 01:39:35 | kergoth | mkfs.vfat |
| 01:39:37 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 01:39:37 | kergoth | for people's cards |
| 01:39:38 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 01:39:41 | TheMasterMind1 | i like the config system |
| 01:40:04 | TheMasterMind1 | /bin/sh: line 1: ./configure: No such file or directory |
| 01:40:05 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: *** [/zaurus/buildroot/stamps/.ncurses.binary] Error 127 |
| 01:40:05 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 01:40:07 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:40:18 | kergoth | it failed to download ncurses |
| 01:40:28 | kergoth | rm -rf build/ncurses stamps/.ncurses.source* |
| 01:40:31 | TheMasterMind1 | no it didn't |
| 01:40:31 | kergoth | then make again |
| 01:40:34 | TheMasterMind1 | it downloaded just fine |
| 01:40:38 | kergoth | or it failed to extract then |
| 01:40:44 | TheMasterMind1 | arsenic:/zaurus/buildroot# ls build/ncurses-5.2.20020112a/ |
| 01:40:45 | TheMasterMind1 | installtemp libncurses5 ncurses-base ncurses-term |
| 01:40:49 | kergoth | exactly |
| 01:40:51 | kergoth | it failed to extract |
| 01:40:53 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 01:40:59 | kergoth | run the command i said up there |
| 01:41:08 | kergoth | it uses a stamp to deal with extraction and sources |
| 01:41:14 | kergoth | well two, source, and sourcetree |
| 01:42:04 | TheMasterMind1 | better |
| 01:42:19 | kergoth | cool |
| 01:42:23 | TheMasterMind1 | very nice |
| 01:42:25 | TheMasterMind1 | good job |
| 01:43:15 | kergoth | there's still some tweaking to be done, like it shouldve failed out and aborted right after it noticed that it failed to extract |
| 01:43:23 | kergoth | but most of it is in place |
| 01:43:25 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 01:43:34 | TheMasterMind1 | write up something on adding/porting mks |
| 01:43:40 | TheMasterMind1 | or tell me how |
| 01:43:41 | TheMasterMind1 | and i'll start some tommrow |
| 01:43:43 | kergoth | yeah, i'll do that in a couple minutes |
| 01:44:00 | TheMasterMind1 | checking whether setvbuf arguments are reversed... configure: error: cannot run test program while cross compiling |
| 01:44:00 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: *** [/zaurus/buildroot/stamps/.bash.binary] Error 1 |
| 01:44:00 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/zaurus/buildroot/packages/bash' |
| 01:44:00 | TheMasterMind1 | make: *** [packages/bash] Error 2 |
| 01:44:16 | kergoth | sounds like our bash patch didnt apply |
| 01:44:20 | kergoth | er |
| 01:44:21 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 01:44:22 | kergoth | no |
| 01:44:26 | kergoth | bash's buildsystem sucks |
| 01:44:29 | kergoth | the bash build is broken atm |
| 01:44:32 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 01:44:33 | kergoth | i'll fix later |
| 01:44:41 | kergoth | btw, ipks arent created by default just yet |
| 01:44:48 | kergoth | 'make ipk' will build them |
| 01:44:49 | kergoth | they'll be in output/ipks/ |
| 01:45:16 | TheMasterMind1 | make: *** No rule to make target `ipk'. Stop. |
| 01:45:19 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 01:45:21 | TheMasterMind1 | wrong xterm |
| 01:45:21 | TheMasterMind1 | oops |
| 01:45:40 | TheMasterMind1 | kinda works |
| 01:45:41 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:45:43 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 01:45:54 | TheMasterMind1 | anyway, i'm out |
| 01:45:55 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 01:46:02 | kergoth | ttyl |
| 01:48:49 | jmhodges | seeya |
| 01:49:04 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: its that time of the night again.. |
| 02:11:51 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: sleeping now. |
| 02:47:35 | ivan | journalling flash filesystem heh |
| 02:47:35 | Error403 | Any ideas where I can get a ppp ipkg? |
| 02:47:40 | ivan | why do you need a journal? |
| 02:49:49 | Error403 | Seems kergoth forgot to put ppp in the last OZ release... so.... |
| 02:52:01 | kergoth | I'm adding pppd soon, otherwise yank one from familiar |
| 02:52:10 | Error403 | oh, there you are ;) |
| 02:53:09 | Error403 | kergoth: I tried the one from familiar, it connected with no fuss, but failed to get the right IP address and gateway (started acting as if it were on a LAN, assigning 192.168.1.0/24 ips). |
| 02:53:23 | kergoth | Error403: hrm, check /etc/ppp/options |
| 02:53:27 | Error403 | For? |
| 02:53:43 | kergoth | localip:remote |
| 02:54:00 | kergoth | also check options.[ttyname] |
| 02:54:16 | Error403 | Let me re-install the ppp package, my /proc got fscked up the other day and the thing wouldn't boot, so I had to clear it |
| 02:54:43 | Error403 | kergoth: Do you recommend 0.6 familiar or 0.5.x? |
| 02:56:43 | kergoth | Error403: I'd recommend asking harlekin in #opie or one of the handhelds.org folks, i'm not sure how stable 0.6 is yet |
| 02:56:47 | kergoth | doesnt have an ipaq |
| 02:56:54 | Error403 | doesn't either :) |
| 02:58:11 | Error403 | ah, there is a 0.6-rc1, let me try that first |
| 02:59:10 | Error403 | kergoth: I'm assuming all of the kernel ppp support is there already? |
| 03:00:22 | kergoth | CONFIG_PPP=y |
| 03:00:24 | kergoth | yep, looks that way |
| 03:00:52 | Error403 | BSD compression, etc? |
| 03:10:42 | Xentac | is back (gone 02:47:02) |
| 03:13:33 | kergoth | iirc deflate and bsd are on |
| 03:13:36 | kergoth | i can doublecheck if you like |
| 03:16:27 | Error403 | kergoth: seemed it work. Grabbed real IPs and real DNSs, didn't replace my eth0 default route though, trying to figure out what the ppp config option is to tell it to replace it |
| 03:16:38 | Error403 | ah |
| 03:16:39 | kergoth | 'defaultroute' |
| 03:16:42 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:16:42 | Error403 | replacedefaultroute |
| 03:16:43 | Error403 | no |
| 03:16:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:16:46 | kergoth | ah replace.. |
| 03:16:48 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 03:19:38 | Error403 | damn |
| 03:19:46 | Error403 | this doesn't have replacedefaultroute |
| 03:19:47 | Error403 | grr |
| 03:23:48 | kagemusha | you mean the Z> |
| 03:23:55 | kagemusha | ^ >=? |
| 03:23:59 | Error403 | yay |
| 03:24:02 | Error403 | worked |
| 03:24:05 | Error403 | rejoices |
| 03:24:06 | kergoth | kagemusha: he means the pppd binary he got from famliiar, id' say |
| 03:24:09 | kergoth | Error403: nice! |
| 03:24:17 | Error403 | now... if I could only get konqueror installed :/ |
| 03:24:21 | kagemusha | ahh |
| 03:28:33 | Error403 | takes another stab at konqueror |
| 03:35:11 | Error403 | ARGH |
| 03:35:17 | Error403 | why are all of these packages failing to install? |
| 03:35:41 | Error403 | It has some stupid syntax error or something. It looks like the problem is really files not existing when they are suppose to. |
| 03:39:23 | kergoth | Error403: upgrade your ipkg version yet? |
| 03:40:24 | Error403 | eh, no :/ |
| 03:40:56 | Error403 | kergoth: Why is it that no matter what I do now, konqueror is ALWAYS permanantly selected in the package list? |
| 03:40:59 | Error403 | I can't get rid of it |
| 03:41:03 | Error403 | it wants to install it |
| 03:42:51 | kergoth | dunno |
| 03:42:56 | kergoth | Error403: remove it from /usr/lib/ipkg/status if need be |
| 03:45:01 | Error403 | seems to be fixed |
| 03:45:07 | Error403 | now, I'm upgrading ipkg |
| 03:48:41 | Error403 | *sigh*... oz is very touchy |
| 03:48:51 | Error403 | seems to have killed my PDA, yet again :/ |
| 04:48:56 | Xentac | I heard there were some problem with the feed recently... has it stabalized? |
| 04:58:46 | Xentac | is away: sleeping |
| 12:36:59 | Xentac | is back (gone 07:38:14) |
| 12:59:35 | Error403 | Hm, anyone know why my Z can't load the sharp mmc/sd driver? It just sits there. |
| 12:59:40 | Error403 | Kinda frustrating |
| 12:59:50 | Error403 | I lost all my important data |
| 12:59:59 | Error403 | I tried reseting it |
| 13:24:26 | kergoth`bbl | Error403: what rom ? what version of sdmmc package? which kernel? 2.4.6 or 2.4.7? |
| 13:25:03 | Error403 | kergoth: Latest |
| 13:25:12 | Error403 | kergoth: I have no idea what kernel your rom has |
| 13:26:20 | zoner | hi, is anybody awake ? |
| 13:26:56 | kergoth | Error403: lsmod.. is sharp_mmcsd_m loaded? |
| 13:27:03 | Error403 | kergoth: Heh |
| 13:27:04 | kergoth | zoner: barely, just got to work, havent had my caffeine yet |
| 13:27:11 | Error403 | kergoth: the kernel freezes at loading the module |
| 13:27:15 | Error403 | kergoth: I can't get into Linux |
| 13:27:16 | zoner | agh, then you are still passed out |
| 13:27:24 | kergoth | Error403: definately havent seen that behavior before |
| 13:27:26 | kergoth | Error403: odd |
| 13:27:34 | kergoth | Error403: what rom? what packages have you upgraded? |
| 13:27:42 | Error403 | Well, now I have a paper weight |
| 13:28:00 | Error403 | kergoth: Latest rom, unless you updated it within the last two weeks |
| 13:28:11 | Error403 | kergoth: I upgraded ipkg, and installed ppp |
| 13:28:14 | kergoth | so 2.9.5.5 |
| 13:28:17 | kergoth | any other upgrades? |
| 13:28:19 | Error403 | kergoth: I tried to install konqueror, but it failed |
| 13:28:22 | zoner | I just got a zaurus and a CF, and tried to install openzaurus, following the directions exactly, but it's not being very cooperative. the green light turns on for only a second. is this a common problem ? |
| 13:28:40 | Error403 | zoner: Is the AC plugged in? |
| 13:28:44 | zoner | Yeah it sure is |
| 13:28:54 | kergoth | zoner: 99% chance your card is fat32 not fat16 |
| 13:29:02 | kergoth | zoner: you probably need to reformat it with mkfs.msdos -F 16 |
| 13:29:08 | kergoth | zoner: or you're hitting more keys than just c+d |
| 13:29:25 | zoner | Aha. is there a tool on the standard zaurus that will reformat it ? |
| 13:29:32 | zoner | ok thanks ! |
| 13:29:42 | kergoth | np |
| 13:29:50 | kergoth | mkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev/hda1 should do it |
| 13:33:05 | kolla | kergoth: is there a cramfs module somewhere? |
| 13:33:30 | kergoth | kolla: iirc its compiled in monolithically |
| 13:33:32 | kergoth | kolla: why? |
| 13:33:35 | kolla | hm |
| 13:33:43 | kolla | no cramfs in /proc/filesystems |
| 13:33:55 | kolla | because the dev-img is in cramfs |
| 13:34:18 | Error403 | kergoth: Is there anyway to get around loading that module? |
| 13:35:37 | kergoth | Error403: I dont believe so. We never got a boot menu.. sharp didnt release theirs, and we never created a new one |
| 13:35:45 | kergoth | Error403: without a boot menu, there's no way to override the boot process |
| 13:35:52 | Error403 | ARGL |
| 13:35:56 | kergoth | Error403: i think I may steal redhat's 'hit y to be prompted' shit |
| 13:36:02 | Error403 | this is the second time my OZ install was COMPLETELY fubar'ed |
| 13:36:15 | kergoth | hm, i havent had that happen once, but i seem to have a fair bit of luck |
| 13:36:28 | Error403 | beats his head against the wall |
| 13:36:32 | Error403 | and I don't have a CF card |
| 13:36:35 | Error403 | my parents have it |
| 13:36:38 | Error403 | son of a... |
| 13:37:11 | Error403 | I'd buy one, but I have like $8.21 in my bank account |
| 13:37:52 | kergoth | i'm trying to figure out why the hell that module would crash your unit |
| 13:37:58 | kergoth | i've never seen circumstances to cause that |
| 13:38:00 | kergoth | wtf |
| 13:38:20 | Error403 | Well, crash, no |
| 13:38:23 | Error403 | just sits there |
| 13:38:27 | Error403 | accepts keyboard input |
| 13:38:57 | kergoth | hm |
| 13:39:25 | Error403 | I was wondering if it would timeout, but it never did |
| 13:40:31 | kergoth | hmm |
| 13:40:34 | kergoth | well, could try full reset |
| 13:40:38 | kergoth | i dunno what else to try |
| 13:40:39 | kergoth | hrm |
| 13:40:42 | Error403 | I already did |
| 13:40:47 | kergoth | ah |
| 13:40:49 | kergoth | damnit |
| 13:41:15 | Error403 | But if I'm not mistaken, the kernel stuff doesn't get wiped |
| 13:41:29 | Error403 | So if the module is corrupt, then it needs a re-flash |
| 13:42:44 | kergoth | correct |
| 13:43:04 | kergoth | i was hoping it'd be something screwy in the module depednency info (depmod), so that a package reconfigure (postinst) would regen them |
| 13:43:07 | kergoth | long shot |
| 13:44:06 | Error403 | Well, shouldn't the kernel stuff be read-only? Well, it should, reguardless of whether it is or not. |
| 13:44:21 | Error403 | Now that I've had the kernel crap go fubar twice now, I think that's reason enough |
| 13:44:25 | kergoth | how would you upgrade then? |
| 13:44:36 | Error403 | "Upgrade"? |
| 13:44:38 | kergoth | say to a new kernel modules pacakge? |
| 13:44:42 | kergoth | kernel-modules is an ipk. |
| 13:44:56 | kergoth | if i remove the permissions to write to them, ipkg cant overwrite them |
| 13:44:57 | Error403 | Make a second kernel modules location |
| 13:45:00 | kergoth | ? |
| 13:45:05 | kergoth | waste of space, just to start |
| 13:45:17 | Error403 | Space? It wouldn't be any larger |
| 13:45:22 | kergoth | huh? |
| 13:45:28 | kergoth | i dont understand what you're talking about |
| 13:45:31 | kergoth | explain further |
| 13:45:44 | Error403 | Can't you have multiple targets in the modules configuration file? |
| 13:45:49 | kergoth | for what? |
| 13:46:03 | Error403 | for where depmod finds its modules |
| 13:46:07 | kergoth | *why*? |
| 13:46:13 | kergoth | seems pretty pointless to me |
| 13:46:42 | kergoth | i dont understand how that would help |
| 13:46:44 | kergoth | elaborate |
| 13:46:52 | kergoth | i havent fully awakened yet |
| 13:46:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 13:47:09 | Error403 | So that the IMPORTANT modules won't ever go corrupt, and all of the user installed modules thereafter will go into a read-write location |
| 13:47:22 | kergoth | define important. |
| 13:47:36 | kergoth | if you install a 2.4.7 kernel, those 2.4.6 modules are useless |
| 13:48:08 | kolla | yes, isnt that hilarious? :) |
| 13:48:08 | kergoth | I'm talking about being able to upgrade your kernel and kernel modules |
| 13:48:19 | kergoth | if i remove the permissions on any of them, you wont be able to do so |
| 13:48:23 | Error403 | Right |
| 13:48:34 | kolla | a second minos revision OS upgrade and all modules are useless.. :) |
| 13:48:37 | kolla | minor |
| 13:48:40 | kergoth | so there are no 'IMPORTANT' modules |
| 13:49:07 | Error403 | So I'm guessing this is where the open zaurus disclaimer comes in? "This is for developers, e.g. it's not designed against accidents"? |
| 13:49:13 | kergoth | huh? |
| 13:49:17 | kergoth | its like any other linux distribution |
| 13:49:20 | kergoth | if you rm -rf / |
| 13:49:21 | kergoth | you're fucked |
| 13:49:22 | kergoth | period |
| 13:49:28 | kolla | Error403: that goes for linux and unix in general :) |
| 13:49:37 | Error403 | kergoth: ipkg rm -rf /'ed my Z? |
| 13:49:43 | kergoth | did i say that? |
| 13:49:45 | Error403 | I'm doubting that |
| 13:49:47 | kergoth | i'm drawing an analogy |
| 13:49:52 | kergoth | perhaps i should make it clearer |
| 13:49:54 | kolla | was never meant for regular people, it's geek toy |
| 13:50:01 | kergoth | *analogy follows*: if you rm -rf / your Z, you're fucked |
| 13:50:07 | Error403 | I didn't do crap, I upgraded my ipkg and it bombed out |
| 13:50:18 | kergoth | so tell jamey to fix ipkg |
| 13:50:27 | kergoth | there's nothing i can do to prevent module corruption |
| 13:50:28 | kolla | kernel modules should not belong to any package though, imo |
| 13:50:33 | kergoth | that wouldnt also remove the ability to upgrade |
| 13:50:35 | kergoth | kolla: yes, they do |
| 13:50:38 | kolla | no they dont |
| 13:50:40 | kergoth | kolla: but that package hasnt changed more than once |
| 13:50:43 | kergoth | kolla: yes, they do. |
| 13:50:48 | kolla | no they dont :) |
| 13:50:51 | kergoth | kolla: 'ipkg files kernel-modules' |
| 13:50:54 | Xentac | is away: gnikrow |
| 13:50:54 | kergoth | kolla: look again. |
| 13:50:55 | kolla | the modules belong to the kernel |
| 13:51:02 | kergoth | what? are you on crack? |
| 13:51:06 | kergoth | modules are in the filesystem |
| 13:51:11 | kergoth | and hence belong to a package |
| 13:51:15 | kolla | yes, so? they are parts of the kernel |
| 13:51:16 | kergoth | they *depend* on the kernel |
| 13:51:20 | kergoth | no |
| 13:51:21 | kergoth | they are not |
| 13:51:35 | kergoth | i can build a completely independently distributed kernel module that will build against any set of kernel headers |
| 13:51:39 | kolla | it's just a silly attempt to simulate microkernel behavious :) |
| 13:51:40 | kergoth | and package it independently |
| 13:51:44 | kergoth | that doesnt make it a part of the kernel |
| 13:51:45 | kolla | behaviour |
| 13:51:49 | kergoth | no, it isnt |
| 13:51:52 | kolla | sure is |
| 13:51:55 | kergoth | its a means of adding flexibility |
| 13:51:57 | kolla | :) |
| 13:52:10 | kergoth | saying that something in the filesystme doesnt belong to a packaage is stupid |
| 13:52:17 | kergoth | because any file in the filesystem should and does belong to a package |
| 13:52:21 | kergoth | by design |
| 13:52:27 | kolla | "flixibelity" scores high on wankometer :) |
| 13:52:37 | kergoth | then build a fully monolithic kernel |
| 13:52:39 | kolla | especially if spelled correctly :) |
| 13:52:42 | kergoth | and pray it fits in the kernel parition |
| 13:52:45 | kergoth | s/parition/partition/ |
| 13:52:51 | Error403 | kergoth: I get a feeling that no one is going to claim responsibility for how this happened. Not I really care who's fault it is, I just want it fixed. |
| 13:52:53 | kergoth | good luck |
| 13:53:13 | kergoth | Error403: well if you find a solution that will protect the user without sacrificing flexibility, let me know |
| 13:53:19 | kolla | nah.. rather move to a more suited OS :) |
| 13:53:19 | kergoth | Error403: I already have one coming |
| 13:53:36 | kergoth | kolla: so pester cdm to finish porting qnx and get the hell out of the channel |
| 13:53:44 | kergoth | kolla: i'm working within the limjitations i'm given |
| 13:53:50 | kergoth | i'd love to use qnx |
| 13:54:00 | kergoth | but this is what we have, and i'll improve it as i can |
| 13:54:11 | kolla | right. |
| 13:54:21 | kergoth | Error403: when opie runs as a nonroot user, you will not be able to rm -rf without su/sudo'ing to root |
| 13:54:26 | kergoth | Error403: this gives you some measure of protection |
| 13:54:37 | kergoth | Error403: and will be available in the next version |
| 13:54:51 | kergoth | Error403: course ipkg will be either run within sudo or suid root, so ipkg is god, regardless |
| 13:55:16 | kergoth | Error403: there is one thing i can do regarding module loading on boot, i can make it do it in the background |
| 13:55:26 | kergoth | Error403: then if insmod/modprobe hangs, it will not prevent the boot of the system |
| 13:55:56 | kergoth | Error403: I can also add redhat like 'hit Y to be prompted' functionality |
| 13:56:04 | kergoth | Error403: thereby giving you the ability to bypass the module load completely |
| 13:56:21 | kergoth | Those are the only things that immediately come to mind |
| 13:56:29 | kergoth | if you've got better ideas, let me know so i cna use them |
| 13:56:39 | Error403 | I just need a CF now |
| 13:56:49 | kolla | the modules takes the astonishing ammount of 1.7MB :) |
| 13:57:08 | kolla | Error403: downgrade |
| 13:57:11 | kergoth | are the iptables modules in there? |
| 13:57:17 | kergoth | i should pull those into a seperate ipk |
| 13:57:19 | kolla | ipkg happily "updates" downwards it seems :) |
| 13:57:27 | kergoth | actually, the kernel modules need to be more granular anyway |
| 13:57:38 | kergoth | i'll use jamey's kernel module ipk'r script .. |
| 13:57:39 | kergoth | hm |
| 13:58:00 | kolla | sure, ipt modules are there |
| 13:58:03 | kolla | no ipv6 though |
| 13:58:05 | kolla | :) |
| 13:59:18 | kergoth | hmmm, well this would be a good time to make the kernel modules more granualr i'd think |
| 13:59:29 | kergoth | btw, the new ncurses packages in the feed will save about 4.5 megs |
| 13:59:29 | kolla | Error403: there is no module for the CF slot btw, iirc |
| 13:59:39 | kergoth | split out the damn terminfo entries into ncurses-term |
| 13:59:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:00:14 | Error403 | because the CF slot doesn't need one, afaik |
| 14:00:27 | Error403 | the firmware treats it as a hard drive, no? |
| 14:00:44 | kergoth | Error403: well, there is a pcmcia module for ide |
| 14:00:54 | kergoth | Error403: its just built monolithically into the kernel rather than as a module |
| 14:01:04 | kergoth | s/pcmcia module/pcmcia driver/ |
| 14:03:27 | kolla | next.. indian food and yet another linux seminar.. |
| 14:35:48 | gonkulator{work} | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:35:50 | gonkulator{work} | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 14:59:03 | zoner | hi again, I installed it fine and everything. Now I'm having trouble connecting with qtopia desktop. I have been to Security and set the sync mask to the default one, and in windows 2000 I set the IP to 192.168.129.1 and the mask.. but the little tray icon remains disconnected. Anything missing ? |
| 14:59:26 | kergoth | can you ping the zaurus? |
| 14:59:34 | kergoth | try ftping to it on port 4242 |
| 14:59:50 | zoner | yeah i sure can |
| 14:59:53 | zoner | ok |
| 15:01:42 | zoner | connection refused, I think |
| 15:05:57 | kergoth | did you hit OK in security? |
| 15:10:01 | kergoth | * Zaurus model(s) to build kernels for |
| 15:10:01 | kergoth | * |
| 15:10:01 | kergoth | Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 PDA (KERNEL_5500) [Y/n] |
| 15:10:01 | kergoth | Sharp Zaurus SL-5000D PDA (KERNEL_5000D) [Y/n] |
| 15:10:08 | kergoth | * Ramdisk size(s) to build kernels for |
| 15:10:08 | kergoth | * |
| 15:10:08 | kergoth | No ramdisk (KERNEL_RD_NONE) [Y/n] |
| 15:10:08 | kergoth | 6 Megabytes (KERNEL_RD_6) [Y/n] |
| 15:10:09 | kergoth | nifty |
| 15:12:10 | zoner | Yeah I hit OK |
| 15:12:21 | kergoth | try switching it to ANY |
| 15:12:29 | zoner | i can ping it but i can't ftp at all to it |
| 15:12:32 | zoner | ok |
| 15:13:39 | zoner | not much luck with that either |
| 15:14:05 | kergoth | define not much luck |
| 15:14:08 | kergoth | connection refused? timeout? |
| 15:16:25 | zoner | ok i'm an idiot, i've been trying to ftp to the zaurus |
| 15:16:31 | zoner | goign the other way works great ! |
| 15:17:31 | kergoth | you can ftp to the zaurus |
| 15:17:34 | kergoth | *port 4242* |
| 15:17:37 | kergoth | not the default port |
| 15:43:18 | scanline | is away: class |
| 16:09:17 | gonkulator{work} | is away: class time |
| 16:09:33 | gonkulator{work} | is away: class time |
| 16:51:43 | zoner | kergoth, port 4242 is a no-go |
| 17:16:52 | zoner | nevermind, it works now ! thanks for the help |
| 17:17:19 | kergoth | np |
| 18:46:32 | scanline | is back (gone 03:03:11) |
| 20:03:15 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 20:44:21 | kergoth | yawns |
| 20:53:38 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks kergoth |
| 20:53:42 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks MSpin |
| 20:54:05 | MSpin | ouch@ |
| 21:04:49 | TheMasterMind1 | <TheMasterMind1> chmod: getting attributes of `/zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/share/man/man4/*': No such file or directory |
| 21:04:49 | TheMasterMind1 | <TheMasterMind1> kergoth it spat out a kernel image |
| 21:04:49 | TheMasterMind1 | <TheMasterMind1> touch /zaurus/buildroot/output/ipktemp/kernel-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-4e/CONTROL/control |
| 21:04:49 | TheMasterMind1 | <TheMasterMind1> touch: creating `/zaurus/buildroot/output/ipktemp/kernel-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-4e/CONTROL/control': No such file or directory |
| 21:14:19 | kergoth | i told you about hte staging chmod errors, it has to do with it installing into staging more than once |
| 21:14:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: okay i just commited the fix for that touch error |
| 21:14:49 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:15:13 | TheMasterMind1 | Nothing to pull from http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot |
| 21:15:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ERROR-Can't get read lock on the repository. |
| 21:15:59 | TheMasterMind1 | pull: remote locked, trying again... |
| 21:16:01 | kergoth | gahh |
| 21:16:05 | kergoth | it had to run a consistency check |
| 21:16:07 | kergoth | do it again |
| 21:16:21 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:16:37 | kergoth | after doing a pull, do a make ipk again |
| 21:16:43 | kergoth | i updated make distclean to wipe output/staging too |
| 21:19:15 | Onyx4 | hey |
| 21:19:16 | | somebody said linux was ruling the world of Open Source! http://www.linux.org or beards |
| 21:19:16 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: what linux? |
| 21:19:18 | TheMasterMind1 | distro |
| 21:19:26 | kergoth | okay I'm writing up the conversion doc |
| 21:19:31 | Onyx4 | mandrake |
| 21:19:33 | TheMasterMind1 | what openzaurus |
| 21:19:36 | | i think openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ or see oz bk |
| 21:19:36 | TheMasterMind1 | what openzaurus? |
| 21:19:38 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:19:39 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 21:19:59 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: MANDRAKE?! |
| 21:20:01 | kergoth | weird, ibot catches that without being addressed directly? |
| 21:20:03 | TheMasterMind1 | you sick freak |
| 21:20:04 | Onyx4 | yeah :) |
| 21:20:08 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth yea |
| 21:20:16 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: upgrade your zcat maybe? *shrug* |
| 21:20:17 | kergoth | Onyx4: wipe ifupdown, then do a make 2>&1 | tee log |
| 21:20:19 | Onyx4 | why you guys all debian fan :) hehe |
| 21:20:21 | kergoth | Onyx4: then send me the log output |
| 21:20:27 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: ofcourse |
| 21:20:31 | TheMasterMind1 | debian > .* |
| 21:21:04 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 21:21:37 | Onyx4 | I have zcat 1.2.4 (18 AUg 93) |
| 21:21:43 | TheMasterMind1 | 93? |
| 21:21:48 | TheMasterMind1 | err.. |
| 21:21:59 | TheMasterMind1 | zcat 1.3.2 |
| 21:21:59 | TheMasterMind1 | (2001-11-03) |
| 21:22:03 | TheMasterMind1 | definitely old as shit |
| 21:22:29 | Onyx4 | that's still the latest in cooker hehe |
| 21:22:31 | kergoth | i doubt zcat is the problem |
| 21:22:35 | kergoth | i'd like to see the log |
| 21:22:37 | TheMasterMind1 | tells you how good mandrake is |
| 21:22:53 | Onyx4 | ok will send it once kernel finish building heh |
| 21:22:54 | kergoth | mandrake has one of the easiest installers, i'll give it that |
| 21:22:56 | kergoth | okay |
| 21:23:06 | kergoth | it drops all the zimages you selected directly into output/ |
| 21:23:13 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:23:15 | Onyx4 | nifty |
| 21:23:20 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:23:26 | TheMasterMind1 | can't it do dependencies sortof |
| 21:23:31 | Onyx4 | so now you even have custom ones like a 48-16 ? |
| 21:23:39 | TheMasterMind1 | like if you select no ramdisk, does it still show the other ramdisk options? |
| 21:24:00 | Onyx4 | it did for me |
| 21:24:28 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:25:22 | Onyx4 | does it has to go thru a new kernel build for every different memory type? |
| 21:25:32 | Onyx4 | it looks like it gave me 52-12, then is starting again now |
| 21:27:19 | kergoth | Onyx4: it creates a kernel for each ramdisk size you set |
| 21:27:28 | Onyx4 | hehe looks like it, now I have 48-16 and 52-12 done |
| 21:27:31 | kergoth | Onyx4: for each of whichever models you selected |
| 21:27:31 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:27:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you can selecte more than one ramdisk size, and more than one model |
| 21:27:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it creates a kernel for each possibility |
| 21:27:58 | Onyx4 | so is this one pretty different from the 2.4.6 on SF? |
| 21:27:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: automatically |
| 21:28:12 | kergoth | Onyx4: quite a bit, I improved it to use the CONFIG_* that the |
| 21:28:16 | kergoth | config system sets |
| 21:28:23 | kergoth | i.e. CONFIG_RD_NONE for no ramdisk |
| 21:28:33 | Onyx4 | ok but in terms of what's in it or bug fixes, etc? |
| 21:28:36 | Onyx4 | like jffs2 |
| 21:28:41 | kergoth | ah, nope, its *stock* |
| 21:28:47 | kergoth | 2.4.7 has the new jffs2, but i need to fix that build yet |
| 21:28:56 | kergoth | i'll get to work on that after we finish convertin gthings |
| 21:28:57 | Onyx4 | it's got SD support too? |
| 21:29:02 | kergoth | I want to get this producing jffs2 images again |
| 21:29:08 | kergoth | well, the 'sdmmc' package has that |
| 21:29:12 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 21:29:15 | kergoth | the binary sd module and the binary daemon |
| 21:29:18 | kergoth | i ahvent ocnverted it yet |
| 21:29:24 | kergoth | okay, i wrote up a conversion doc |
| 21:30:17 | kergoth | Onyx4, TheMasterMind1: bk pull to grab the conversion doc |
| 21:30:31 | kergoth | Onyx4, TheMasterMind1: the ones left to be done are the ones that do not have config.in files in their directories |
| 21:30:42 | Onyx4 | correct |
| 21:30:51 | Onyx4 | but some we could really flush |
| 21:30:53 | Onyx4 | let me check |
| 21:31:02 | kergoth | yeah, a number of them arent necessary for the stock openzaurus build |
| 21:31:04 | Onyx4 | like wget? |
| 21:31:06 | kergoth | like fileutils, etc |
| 21:31:08 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:31:16 | kergoth | but people may want them. we'll convert them eventually |
| 21:31:20 | kergoth | but theier *LOW* priority |
| 21:31:31 | kergoth | first goal is getting everythign in the openzaurus.mk stock image build converted |
| 21:31:32 | Onyx4 | guess we gotta do the libc6 first right? |
| 21:31:43 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:31:46 | kergoth | I havnet done that one yet |
| 21:31:56 | kergoth | which means all the packages we just built used the libc in our respective toolchains :) |
| 21:32:05 | kergoth | that shouldnt harm anything of course |
| 21:32:17 | kergoth | since it'll use the libc on the z at runtime |
| 21:32:38 | kergoth | okay, we need to announce who's working on what, so let me know if either of you start on anything so i dont waste time on them |
| 21:32:50 | Onyx4 | so it's normal that if you just type "make" it does the build, then you do "make ipk" to create the ipk |
| 21:32:53 | kergoth | for now |
| 21:32:59 | kergoth | later I'll make it use the config it asked you for |
| 21:33:03 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 21:33:07 | kergoth | on what types of packages to produce, if any |
| 21:33:18 | Onyx4 | looks like everything built now |
| 21:33:27 | kergoth | cool |
| 21:33:28 | Onyx4 | let me get that output for ifupdown |
| 21:33:43 | kergoth | there's some tweaking to be done on the system itself yet, but i want to get everything building first |
| 21:33:46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:33:49 | kergoth | cool |
| 21:34:18 | Onyx4 | oops the make ipk stopped |
| 21:34:29 | Onyx4 | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/clambert/oz/buildroot-oz/build/linux' |
| 21:34:30 | Onyx4 | touch /home/clambert/oz/buildroot-oz/output/ipktemp/kernel-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-4e/CONTROL/control |
| 21:34:30 | Onyx4 | touch: creating `/home/clambert/oz/buildroot-oz/output/ipktemp/kernel-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-4e/CONTROL/control': No such file or directory |
| 21:34:30 | Onyx4 | make[1]: *** [/home/clambert/oz/buildroot-oz/output/ipktemp/kernel-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-4e/CONTROL/control] Error 1 |
| 21:34:43 | kergoth | thats fixed |
| 21:34:44 | kergoth | bk pull |
| 21:34:45 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:34:46 | Onyx4 | ha |
| 21:35:02 | kergoth | i forgot to mkdir -p $(IPKTMP_DIR)/CONTROL at the beginning of the rootinstall rule |
| 21:35:07 | kergoth | i even mentioned that in the conversion doc |
| 21:35:08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:36:01 | Onyx4 | ok now everything worked cool |
| 21:36:51 | Onyx4 | so that pcmcia-cs is it the one that was giving people problem or it's been fixed |
| 21:36:59 | kergoth | it should be fixed, themastermind1 put in a patch for it |
| 21:37:17 | kergoth | it changed the config file to try to load a ide-cs module, when ours isnt a module, its compiled in |
| 21:37:17 | Onyx4 | k |
| 21:37:22 | kergoth | so of course it promptly failed |
| 21:37:52 | Onyx4 | do we umount CF memory card on suspend? |
| 21:38:12 | Onyx4 | cause I want to know if I can pull out my CF card on a suspend |
| 21:38:25 | kergoth | Onyx4: good question, i'm not certain, thats a pcmcia-cs thing |
| 21:41:51 | kergoth | Onyx4: oh regarding the permissions in bk |
| 21:41:53 | kergoth | Onyx4: dont chmod them |
| 21:41:56 | kergoth | Onyx4: it wont like you |
| 21:42:20 | kergoth | Onyx4: in order to be able to change the files, do a bk edit filename, or just bk -r edit -q to lock every file in the repository |
| 21:42:36 | kergoth | Onyx4: it locks them, so you can edit them. then when you check them in, it unlocks them again |
| 21:42:51 | kergoth | Onyx4: also, when you bk ci something, the file is gone, you need to bk co it again |
| 21:43:03 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 21:43:05 | kergoth | Onyx4: so on principle i generally bk -r edit -q after doing a bk ci to make sure i still have everything |
| 21:43:42 | kergoth | note that doing a bk -r edit is bad on a repository that others can access |
| 21:43:48 | kergoth | cause it locks it, they cant do a damn thing |
| 21:43:58 | kergoth | but doing that on your own local copies is of course fine |
| 21:46:33 | Onyx4 | how do you write make 2>&1 | tee log in tcsh? |
| 21:46:44 | Onyx4 | it says Ambiguous output redirect |
| 21:51:36 | Onyx4 | ok I sent you the log kergoth |
| 21:51:47 | Onyx4 | to @handhelds.org |
| 21:52:28 | Onyx4 | oops it bounced, what's your email? |
| 21:53:28 | | kergoth is a bastard |
| 21:53:28 | Onyx4 | ibot: kergoth |
| 21:53:32 | | i heard kergoth was a bastard |
| 21:53:32 | Onyx4 | ibot: who kergoth |
| 21:56:27 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:56:32 | kergoth | my mail is *dead* dood |
| 21:56:36 | kergoth | i need another box |
| 21:56:47 | Onyx4 | ha... |
| 21:56:55 | Onyx4 | how can I send you the log |
| 21:57:12 | gonkulator{work} | is away: home time |
| 21:57:55 | kergoth | Onyx4: clarson@digi.com |
| 21:57:56 | kergoth | Onyx4: my work box |
| 21:58:03 | Onyx4 | k |
| 21:58:04 | kergoth | know of a place that does mail hosting with imap? |
| 21:58:08 | kergoth | i dont need web or dns, i have dns |
| 21:58:10 | kergoth | just need mail |
| 21:58:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:58:45 | Onyx4 | digi as in etherlite? |
| 21:59:00 | kergoth | yup |
| 21:59:05 | kergoth | i work in unix tech support here |
| 21:59:12 | Onyx4 | cool, we use those quite a lot at SGI, we resell them |
| 21:59:26 | kergoth | ahh yeah i didnt know you worked for sgi |
| 21:59:29 | Onyx4 | yep |
| 21:59:34 | kergoth | what do you do ther? |
| 21:59:37 | kergoth | s/ther/there/ |
| 21:59:49 | Onyx4 | I also work in backline support for network/comm related stuff |
| 22:00:05 | Onyx4 | high speed networking mostly |
| 22:00:19 | Onyx4 | and linux IA64 |
| 22:00:40 | kergoth | ahh thats cool |
| 22:01:41 | kergoth | blah i'm going home. bbl |
| 22:54:17 | BZFlag | kergoth`left: is buildroot fixed yet? I'm waiting for it to get fixed and then I'll add the other export makefiles. |
| 22:56:00 | kergoth`sleep | BZFlag: it works, but there was a format change, so .mk's need converting to the new layout |
| 22:56:09 | kergoth`sleep | BZFlag: I'll sync up cvs in a minute or two here so you can take a look |
| 22:58:12 | kergoth | is cvs.sf.net behaving itself again? |
| 22:58:36 | kergoth | yep, it is |
| 22:58:38 | kergoth | nifty |
| 23:01:16 | kergoth | hm, i bet i could use a vendor branch in cvs to let me easily see what changes you make there that need merging into bk.. |
| 23:01:40 | kergoth | compare vendor branch to head to see your changes, then compare the bk tree to cvs head after that to see what changes need to be synced in the other direction.. |
| 23:06:17 | TheMasterMind1 | sure. |
| 23:08:03 | kergoth | hm, could even script it |
| 23:08:07 | kergoth | a bk-cvs sync script |
| 23:08:21 | kergoth | BZFlag: were the only changes you made to the buildroot back on the 12/13'th for the sharp and hancom stuff? |
| 23:08:35 | kergoth | BZFlag: just want ot make sure i dont lose anything of yours when i resync |
| 23:08:59 | BZFlag | that's all I recall, yeah. |
| 23:09:13 | kergoth | okay, cool. i'll create a vendor branch to use to track the changes for syncing |
| 23:09:15 | kergoth | brb |
| 23:09:35 | TheMasterMind1 | nods like he understands |
| 23:10:32 | BZFlag | whacks TheMasterMind1 up side the head with a 50lb CVS manual. |
| 23:11:23 | jmhodges | lol |
| 23:35:02 | MSpin | the CVS manual doesn't teach you *how* to use CVS;) |
| 23:35:32 | kergoth | the 'info' on it does :) |
| 23:36:18 | MSpin | it's the same as the cvs docs on the webpage, right? |
| 23:36:36 | MSpin | it's still a long ways from knowing what to do when |
| 23:36:51 | MSpin | you only get that with pratice (and knowing a CVS wizard) |
| 23:38:25 | kergoth | true that |
| 23:38:33 | kergoth | though the info page tought me a great deal about dealing with branches |
| 23:38:40 | kergoth | on its 'trackign external sources' section |
| 23:38:50 | MSpin | yesh |
| 23:39:08 | MSpin | how late does UPS grounddeliver? |
| 23:39:15 | kergoth | no idea |
| 23:39:35 | MSpin | usually he comes 11amish |
| 23:39:37 | kergoth | ibot: message for BZFlag: cvs branch 'new_template' is synced with bk. i'll merge it into HEAD in a few |
| 23:41:23 | kergoth | hehe, i love jm's quit msg |
| 23:41:29 | MSpin | yeah |
| 23:42:13 | MSpin | why do I get stuck doing UI shit?????? |
| 23:51:50 | kergoth | re jmhodges |
| 23:51:54 | jmhodges | hola |
| 23:52:01 | jmhodges | was trying to play bzflag |
| 23:52:12 | jmhodges | apparently even on a t1 line my LAG STILL SUCKS |
| 23:52:15 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 23:52:28 | kergoth | well, latency is a whole different ballgame than thoroughput |
| 23:52:30 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:52:35 | jmhodges | hehehe i know i know |
| 23:52:39 | jmhodges | but dammit |
| 23:52:50 | jmhodges | i was hoping this fat pipe would help me out a bit! :) |
| 23:53:00 | jmhodges | but i was getting kicked more than i ever did before |
| 23:53:11 | jmhodges | stupid csm and his stupid bzfalg server :) |