00:00:06 | TheMasterMind1 | mounting over nfs takes forever |
00:00:08 | TheMasterMind1 | its annoying |
00:00:14 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: -o nolock |
00:00:21 | Onyx4 | the reason it does is because we need portmapper |
00:00:26 | Onyx4 | it tries to query portmapper on the client |
00:00:31 | Onyx4 | it times out and still mounts it |
00:00:38 | scanline | just turn off locking, we don't need portmapper |
00:00:50 | Onyx4 | so I'll do portmapper :) |
00:01:09 | Onyx4 | oh didn't know about that one |
00:01:18 | Onyx4 | it's only for nlockmgr that it needs portmapper? |
00:01:19 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: oh then it will be fast? |
00:01:22 | scanline | yes |
00:01:26 | VerxHome | ok |
00:01:28 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
00:01:29 | VerxHome | other than fast load |
00:01:33 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline++ |
00:01:33 | VerxHome | everything seems to be working so far |
00:01:34 | scanline | mount navi:/home/menchi -o nolock -t nfs /mnt/nfs |
00:01:38 | scanline | hehe |
00:01:39 | VerxHome | but if I cannot get fast load to work |
00:01:43 | VerxHome | I will have to abandon this |
00:01:48 | VerxHome | I cannot live without fast load |
00:01:50 | scanline | I use NFS on my zaurus all the time to run Intimate for gdb and stuff |
00:01:54 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: go to #opie and bitch |
00:02:05 | TheMasterMind1 | waits for this mount to finish |
00:02:27 | | OK, scanline. |
00:02:27 | scanline | ibot: fast nfs is Use "-o nolock", for example: mount navi:/home/menchi -o nolock -t nfs /mnt/nfs |
00:02:42 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: is there a way to make that default somehow for all nfs mounts |
00:02:56 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: dunno, you could always add it to your /etc/fstab though |
00:03:24 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, but if you do it via commandline |
00:03:25 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
00:03:31 | VerxHome | oh |
00:03:31 | Onyx4 | http://131.152.105.154/mantis/view_bug_page.php?f_id=0000230 |
00:03:32 | VerxHome | onyz |
00:03:38 | scanline | it's just an option for that "options" field in /etc/fstab |
00:03:40 | VerxHome | am I to delete my /etc/fstab and then reboot? |
00:03:45 | VerxHome | I haven't done that yet |
00:03:47 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: no no |
00:03:48 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: why the fuck would yo udo that? |
00:03:50 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: just edit it |
00:03:59 | Onyx4 | just remove the line for /mnt/ram |
00:04:00 | VerxHome | themastermind: I couldn't fathom |
00:04:04 | VerxHome | that's why I hadn't done it |
00:04:09 | VerxHome | but that is what onyx4 said to do |
00:04:26 | Onyx4 | I said just remove the line for mtdram :) |
00:04:33 | Onyx4 | not the whole fstab |
00:04:35 | VerxHome | /dev/mtdblock6 /mnt/ram auto defaults,noatime 1 2 |
00:04:38 | Onyx4 | that one |
00:04:39 | VerxHome | so remove that? |
00:04:47 | TheMasterMind1 | nods |
00:04:52 | Onyx4 | this is already fixed now, so just a matter of building a new initrd |
00:05:02 | carpman | "am I to delete my /etc/fstab and then reboot?", that should be a quote somewhere :) |
00:05:28 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
00:05:29 | nadav | heh |
00:05:30 | | Financial Quotations and Linux headlines. URL: http://www.iae.nl/users/grimaldo/OpenSoft/quotes.shtml |
00:05:30 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot quotes |
00:05:33 | myuu | im back and im coherent |
00:05:33 | myuu | =\ |
00:05:38 | TheMasterMind1 | not that you fuckwad |
00:05:49 | TheMasterMind1 | myuu: that's what they all say |
00:06:17 | myuu | lol |
00:07:22 | TheMasterMind1 | ARGH |
00:07:23 | scanline | carpman: you could put it on the Quotes page of picogui's wiki :) |
00:07:23 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
00:07:25 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid busybox shit |
00:07:31 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't play files with spaces in them |
00:07:34 | TheMasterMind1 | grrr... |
00:07:37 | scanline | carpman: I have a few non-#picogui quotes in there anyway |
00:07:46 | myuu | god, i slept till 6pm today |
00:07:50 | TheMasterMind1 | argh argh argh argh argh |
00:08:17 | VerxHome | spaces are evil and wrong |
00:08:19 | VerxHome | just so you know |
00:08:26 | Onyx4 | myuu: what did you do last night? |
00:08:30 | carpman | this\ is\ how\ you\ do\ it |
00:08:46 | Onyx4 | I went to bed at 8am in the morning last night, was at a rave party in san francisco |
00:08:59 | myuu | sounds like fun |
00:09:14 | Onyx4 | DJ sasha was there |
00:09:20 | scanline | cool! |
00:09:21 | myuu | ive just been up alot this week juggling a big php project and high school |
00:09:43 | VerxHome | damn onyx |
00:09:47 | VerxHome | I am jealous |
00:09:47 | VerxHome | :( |
00:09:48 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
00:09:54 | TheMasterMind1 | i hate this shit my brother downloads |
00:09:56 | TheMasterMind1 | an .avi file |
00:10:00 | TheMasterMind1 | that's actually asf |
00:10:01 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh.. |
00:10:15 | myuu | no raves in ND =\ |
00:10:17 | carpman | myuu: I know how you feel. I'm juggling 2 php jobs, one of which pays $1800, a BIG python program I've been working on, and college. |
00:10:23 | myuu | hate this state |
00:10:44 | carpman | hehe, country and western raves. :) |
00:10:49 | scanline | juggles picogui and school, but that's plenty to keep him busy |
00:11:02 | sambatron | ipkg: /home/jorge/prog/zaurus/oz/buildroot-oz/output/ipks/opie-launcher-settings_*_arm.ipk: No such file or directory |
00:11:03 | sambatron | make[1]: *** [/home/jorge/prog/zaurus/oz/buildroot-oz/output/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/opie-launcher-settings.control] Error 1 |
00:11:07 | scanline | I think I added like 10 bugs to my bug tracker today... |
00:11:14 | sambatron | I get that on make image |
00:11:15 | scanline | maybe fixed 2 of them |
00:11:21 | myuu | roflmao! |
00:11:25 | myuu | ya carpman, about that |
00:11:25 | Onyx4 | has pushed opie/qte optimization fix into bk |
00:11:37 | sambatron | ok :) |
00:12:04 | Onyx4 | do you think building glibc with optimizations would help? |
00:12:41 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
00:12:47 | TheMasterMind1 | this movie plays great if i do -nosournd |
00:12:48 | TheMasterMind1 | sound |
00:12:49 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
00:12:54 | TheMasterMind1 | thinks of what to do.. |
00:12:57 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: so now you see the same problem I had? |
00:13:12 | Onyx4 | where sounds is sort of garbled and video plays slow |
00:13:19 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
00:13:23 | TheMasterMind1 | didn't check actually |
00:13:27 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme try with headphones |
00:13:35 | Onyx4 | put headphones, see if you hear like a humming sound in the bg |
00:13:47 | VerxHome | op2 has horrible performance compared to tkcVideo |
00:13:53 | VerxHome | in my experience anyway |
00:13:55 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: strange I found the opposite |
00:14:03 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: what -version of tkcvideo you tried? |
00:14:17 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
00:14:19 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds plays fine |
00:14:23 | TheMasterMind1 | but video is too slow if i do sound |
00:14:25 | VerxHome | -19 |
00:14:28 | TheMasterMind1 | without sound, video plays fine |
00:14:29 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
00:14:36 | TheMasterMind1 | but its a big file so i it makes sense |
00:14:39 | Onyx4 | ok last I looked at it was with -17 on my friend's zaurus |
00:14:40 | TheMasterMind1 | if i reencode, its fine |
00:14:42 | TheMasterMind1 | i bet |
00:14:54 | Onyx4 | so maybe they added better performance dunno |
00:14:56 | TheMasterMind1 | -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 166M Aug 5 19:01 Crossroads (1of2).avi |
00:15:08 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: did you try to play some files encoded with zmencoder in tkcvideo? |
00:15:44 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
00:15:53 | TheMasterMind1 | if i make it more notnice, it will run better |
00:15:56 | TheMasterMind1 | ingenious |
00:16:20 | TheMasterMind1 | too bad i can't control niceness |
00:16:23 | TheMasterMind1 | since its not installed on the Z |
00:16:32 | TheMasterMind1 | lets see how it is when i kill opie.. |
00:16:35 | TheMasterMind1 | oh wait, i can't ! |
00:16:36 | TheMasterMind1 | pos |
00:16:37 | Onyx4 | you mean /bin/nice? |
00:16:38 | VerxHome | Onyx4: Nope |
00:16:52 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: i dont' have it |
00:16:55 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: ok I'd be curious to see if they work |
00:17:10 | Onyx4 | /bin/nice is part of sh-utils |
00:17:11 | scanline | pulls hair out |
00:17:16 | scanline | packages/pg-server/config.in:7:parse error, unexpected T_WORD, expecting '|' or '&' or '\n' |
00:17:16 | scanline | make: *** [xconfig] Error 1 |
00:17:34 | scanline | the offending line is just: |
00:17:34 | scanline | default "y" |
00:17:48 | Onyx4 | when you have depandancies put && |
00:17:55 | scanline | ahh |
00:17:58 | Onyx4 | for two of them |
00:18:01 | Onyx4 | or more |
00:18:09 | scanline | thanks! |
00:18:19 | scanline | now to see if libpng3 compiles... |
00:18:27 | Onyx4 | there is config_renice in busybox |
00:18:34 | Onyx4 | so you can renice it but now /bin/nice |
00:18:38 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
00:18:46 | Onyx4 | s/now/not |
00:18:53 | TheMasterMind1 | oh i see it |
00:18:55 | TheMasterMind1 | renice is there |
00:18:55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
00:19:00 | TheMasterMind1 | lets see.. how can i do this |
00:20:26 | scanline | hmm.. libpng doesn't appear in the config menu |
00:20:29 | VerxHome | hrm |
00:20:39 | VerxHome | neocal won't run on this version of oz it looks like. . . |
00:21:09 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
00:21:13 | TheMasterMind1 | now it can't opie fbdev |
00:21:13 | TheMasterMind1 | grr.. |
00:21:18 | scanline | growls |
00:21:31 | scanline | jabs xconfig with a sharp stick |
00:21:53 | TheMasterMind1 | doh |
00:22:03 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: i hate how it doesn't do fs if the size is exactly the same as screensize |
00:22:06 | TheMasterMind1 | i hope its fixed in pre8 |
00:22:37 | Onyx4 | yeah apparently -pre7 had lots of bugs in it |
00:23:09 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
00:23:13 | TheMasterMind1 | its not letting me renice |
00:23:14 | TheMasterMind1 | pos |
00:24:16 | myuu | oy...i need to learn more unix |
00:24:21 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
00:24:23 | TheMasterMind1 | sloooow... |
00:24:27 | TheMasterMind1 | renice didn't help |
00:25:07 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well |
00:25:47 | Onyx4 | is the sharp 5600 gonna use the same processor type and be compatible with OZ? |
00:26:06 | scanline | Onyx4: different CPU, but it will be backwards compatible |
00:26:18 | scanline | Onyx4: xscale can run SA-1110 instructions |
00:26:20 | Onyx4 | because now we compile optimized for this cpu architecture |
00:26:37 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't think so |
00:26:44 | TheMasterMind1 | yea its xscale |
00:26:46 | myuu | XScale |
00:26:48 | myuu | is xscale of the arm type? |
00:26:50 | myuu | *archecture |
00:26:55 | myuu | oh |
00:27:01 | TheMasterMind1 | which is why i say that sharp should send us 5600s so we can get openzaurus working on em :D |
00:27:09 | | xscale is, like, a buggy processor, see the errata at http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/specupdt/278534.htm |
00:27:09 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot xscale |
00:27:16 | scanline | needs a 5600 to port picogui to :D |
00:27:30 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
00:27:35 | TheMasterMind1 | first get it working on the 5500 |
00:27:35 | scanline | argh.. my libpng3 isn't showing up |
00:27:37 | TheMasterMind1 | you lazy bum |
00:27:44 | TheMasterMind1 | showing up ? |
00:27:46 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: it does work on the 5500, just not in this build system |
00:27:54 | TheMasterMind1 | you said its buggy as crap |
00:28:15 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: no, I said there were a couple segfaults I needed to fix. they're not even in the picogui server, but in the launcher |
00:28:20 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
00:28:24 | TheMasterMind1 | only a couple :) |
00:28:40 | scanline | bah. I'd be fixing it right now if this build system wasn't giving me trouble |
00:28:51 | TheMasterMind1 | what's wrong with buildroot? |
00:28:55 | TheMasterMind1 | i can help with that |
00:29:07 | scanline | the libpng3 config option I added isn't showing up0 |
00:29:11 | scanline | err, up |
00:29:19 | scanline | and the pgserver option that was working earlier disappeared |
00:29:36 | TheMasterMind1 | you created config.in ? |
00:29:40 | scanline | yes |
00:29:43 | TheMasterMind1 | its probably cuz you have a recursive dependency |
00:29:44 | scanline | and added it to packages/config.in |
00:29:50 | TheMasterMind1 | so it gets all confused and doens't show em |
00:29:52 | scanline | config LIBPNG3 |
00:29:52 | scanline | boolean "Libpng3" |
00:29:52 | scanline | depends LIBC6 |
00:29:52 | scanline | default "n" |
00:29:57 | scanline | simple, eh? |
00:30:00 | TheMasterMind1 | and pg? |
00:30:04 | TheMasterMind1 | what's it have |
00:30:12 | scanline | config PICOGUI |
00:30:12 | scanline | boolean "PicoGUI" |
00:30:12 | scanline | default "n" |
00:30:12 | scanline | config PG-SERVER |
00:30:13 | scanline | boolean "PicoGUI Server" |
00:30:13 | scanline | default "y" |
00:30:15 | scanline | depends LIBC6 && PICOGUI && LIBJPEG62 && LIBPNG3 |
00:30:24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
00:30:31 | TheMasterMind1 | don't do LIBC5 |
00:30:33 | TheMasterMind1 | 6 |
00:30:40 | TheMasterMind1 | and what's libjpegs |
00:30:41 | scanline | okay.. |
00:30:57 | TheMasterMind1 | yea try it then |
00:31:02 | scanline | config LIBJPEG62 |
00:31:02 | scanline | boolean "Libjpeg62" |
00:31:03 | scanline | depends LIBC6 |
00:31:03 | scanline | default "y" |
00:31:13 | scanline | no libc in libpng or pgserver? |
00:31:17 | TheMasterMind1 | pgserver |
00:31:38 | scanline | hrm... |
00:31:42 | scanline | packages/config.in:24:parse error, unexpected T_WORD, expecting '\n' |
00:31:51 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
00:31:59 | TheMasterMind1 | did you add those two to package/config.in ? |
00:32:03 | scanline | yes |
00:32:05 | TheMasterMind1 | to be included |
00:32:06 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
00:32:07 | scanline | that's the line including libpng |
00:32:09 | TheMasterMind1 | which one is on that line |
00:32:10 | TheMasterMind1 | png |
00:32:10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
00:32:12 | scanline | source packages/libpng3/config.in |
00:32:39 | TheMasterMind1 | remove that and it works? |
00:32:40 | TheMasterMind1 | try |
00:32:54 | scanline | well, xconfig runs if I remove it |
00:33:10 | scanline | the "PicoGUI" option shows up, but not "PicoGUI Server" |
00:33:19 | TheMasterMind1 | i think your embedded config thing is screwing it up |
00:33:21 | scanline | both of them were working before.. not sure what I changed |
00:33:25 | TheMasterMind1 | remove the the picogui option |
00:33:47 | scanline | ok.. I just figured I should have a category to keep all the picogui stuff collapsable |
00:33:55 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
00:33:59 | TheMasterMind1 | but see if it works without that first |
00:34:05 | scanline | nods |
00:34:24 | scanline | pgserver doesn't show up at all without that |
00:34:29 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
00:34:30 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
00:34:36 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe cuz of libpng3 |
00:34:39 | scanline | oh.. |
00:34:40 | TheMasterMind1 | that's not there and its depending on it |
00:34:45 | scanline | maybe it doesn't like the dash in the name |
00:34:51 | TheMasterMind1 | or that |
00:34:55 | scanline | tries an underscore |
00:35:03 | TheMasterMind1 | qte-2.3.4 has a dash |
00:35:22 | TheMasterMind1 | config QTE-2.3.4 |
00:35:25 | scanline | in the name after "config"? |
00:35:25 | scanline | hmm |
00:35:35 | TheMasterMind1 | i think it can't find libpng3 |
00:35:38 | scanline | first tries to figure out why libpng3 doesn't work |
00:35:38 | TheMasterMind1 | remove that dependency |
00:35:44 | scanline | k |
00:35:59 | scanline | no different |
00:36:07 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
00:36:35 | scanline | tries a bk pull |
00:36:43 | TheMasterMind1 | ok one by one |
00:36:45 | TheMasterMind1 | what's libpng3 |
00:36:50 | TheMasterMind1 | 's config |
00:36:59 | scanline | config LIBPNG3 |
00:37:00 | scanline | boolean "Libpng3" |
00:37:00 | scanline | depends LIBC6 |
00:37:00 | scanline | default "n" |
00:37:10 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme add that |
00:37:10 | TheMasterMind1 | one sec |
00:37:43 | VerxHome | onyx: So far, it looks like everything but neocal 1.5 works |
00:37:51 | VerxHome | I reverted neocal back to 1.4.4 and it works fine now |
00:38:01 | TheMasterMind1 | ok i added that and it prompts me |
00:38:02 | TheMasterMind1 | so that works |
00:38:08 | TheMasterMind1 | what next |
00:38:10 | scanline | hmm |
00:38:19 | scanline | config PICOGUI |
00:38:19 | scanline | boolean "PicoGUI" |
00:38:20 | scanline | default "n" |
00:38:20 | scanline | config PG-SERVER |
00:38:20 | scanline | boolean "PicoGUI Server" |
00:38:20 | scanline | default "y" |
00:38:22 | scanline | depends PICOGUI && LIBJPEG62 |
00:38:44 | scanline | there should be a libpng3 dependency too, but i took that out temporarily |
00:39:23 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
00:39:25 | TheMasterMind1 | worked for me |
00:39:27 | TheMasterMind1 | perfectly |
00:39:31 | scanline | hrm... |
00:39:32 | TheMasterMind1 | i said yes to libpng |
00:39:35 | TheMasterMind1 | asked for picogui |
00:39:37 | TheMasterMind1 | said yes to that |
00:39:39 | TheMasterMind1 | asked for server |
00:39:50 | TheMasterMind1 | PicoGUI (PICOGUI) [N/y] (NEW) y |
00:39:50 | TheMasterMind1 | PicoGUI Server (PG-SERVER) [Y/n] (NEW) y |
00:40:00 | scanline | that's really weird then |
00:40:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i say no to libpng |
00:40:17 | TheMasterMind1 | it asks for picogui |
00:40:22 | TheMasterMind1 | but doesnt' prompt for server |
00:40:32 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe your files got screwed up |
00:40:35 | TheMasterMind1 | do em again |
00:40:38 | scanline | nods |
00:40:56 | TheMasterMind1 | its bitchy about spaces and all |
00:41:04 | TheMasterMind1 | make is atleast |
00:41:08 | scanline | are they supposed to be spaces or tabs? |
00:41:13 | VerxHome | another bug |
00:41:18 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't think it matters actually |
00:41:22 | TheMasterMind1 | i pasted, so it was spaces |
00:41:23 | VerxHome | it appears you cannot change the cities in the time zone list anymore |
00:41:31 | VerxHome | anyone else notice that? |
00:41:43 | TheMasterMind1 | no, we're developers |
00:41:45 | TheMasterMind1 | not users :) |
00:41:57 | scanline | ah! |
00:42:07 | scanline | the libpng3 config.in didn't have a newline at the end |
00:42:16 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: you're using the stuff from Onyx4's feed? |
00:42:18 | TheMasterMind1 | where's his feed btw? |
00:42:19 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: ? |
00:42:24 | VerxHome | yes |
00:42:26 | TheMasterMind1 | i want to download timezones and test |
00:42:28 | VerxHome | I installed citytime from http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ |
00:43:36 | TheMasterMind1 | testing |
00:43:38 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: cool.. works fine here now |
00:43:54 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, so what's not working |
00:43:56 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: good |
00:44:04 | scanline | tries to compile libpng3 |
00:44:07 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: if you click on a city then select another on the map |
00:44:09 | TheMasterMind1 | it changes |
00:44:10 | TheMasterMind1 | works for me |
00:44:10 | scanline | hrm.. infinite make loop |
00:44:18 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: yes it's been like that for a while |
00:44:42 | VerxHome | themastrmind: Yes, it changes THERE, but it doesn't change back on the "set system time" dialog |
00:44:47 | VerxHome | actually |
00:44:55 | VerxHome | date/time just locked |
00:44:57 | VerxHome | drat |
00:45:18 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
00:45:20 | TheMasterMind1 | that's what that's for |
00:45:31 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, same |
00:45:35 | TheMasterMind1 | pressing ok locked it |
00:45:39 | VerxHome | yup |
00:45:39 | TheMasterMind1 | happened to me before too once |
00:45:47 | TheMasterMind1 | click on the icon in the taskbar |
00:45:47 | Onyx4 | mmm that seems like a "atd" problem |
00:45:52 | TheMasterMind1 | it'll let you kill it |
00:46:04 | VerxHome | oh is that new themastermind? |
00:46:04 | TheMasterMind1 | and then opie will hang |
00:46:05 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
00:46:09 | scanline | ok.. now it's looping these three commands almost infinitely: |
00:46:09 | TheMasterMind1 | yes that's new |
00:46:10 | scanline | touch /home/micah/sf/buildroot-oz/stamps/.pg-server.staginginstall |
00:46:10 | scanline | make[3]: Entering directory `/home/micah/sf/buildroot-oz/packages/pg-server' |
00:46:10 | scanline | make DESTDIR=/home/micah/sf/buildroot-oz/output/staging install;\ |
00:46:12 | TheMasterMind1 | but it doesn't work too well |
00:46:35 | scanline | oh, nevermind... |
00:46:53 | scanline | forgot to cd ($SourceTree) |
00:47:40 | TheMasterMind1 | ah i see what happened |
00:47:40 | scanline | tests his new ipks |
00:47:43 | TheMasterMind1 | i had killed opie-login |
00:47:45 | TheMasterMind1 | so it was stuck |
00:47:53 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: did your opie-login come up when you killed datetime? |
00:48:14 | VerxHome | when I clicked on "Ok", it stopped responding |
00:48:17 | Onyx4 | so could we use opie-login to pick between opie and picogui? |
00:48:19 | VerxHome | then I just restarted opie itself |
00:48:27 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
00:48:36 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: hmm, maybe.. |
00:48:36 | myuu | wtf? is there an opie login screen (like gdm)? |
00:48:41 | scanline | Onyx4: doesn't opie-login start a full opie session though? |
00:48:46 | TheMasterMind1 | myuu: yes |
00:48:56 | TheMasterMind1 | no, opie-login is sepearate proggie |
00:48:57 | scanline | Onyx4: I have a partially complete shell script menu thingy on my disk here somewhere |
00:48:59 | scanline | ah, cool |
00:49:00 | TheMasterMind1 | then opie starts when you login i think |
00:49:05 | Onyx4 | myuu: so you can run as non-root, but you can remove opie-login |
00:49:06 | TheMasterMind1 | but i have no idea |
00:49:13 | scanline | but it depends on the opie libraries? |
00:49:16 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, i don't like opie-login too much |
00:49:20 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: yea |
00:49:26 | TheMasterMind1 | a better bootup menu would b enice |
00:49:33 | scanline | it'd be good to have a GUI selector that either doesn't require one GUI's libs or can work with multiple frontends |
00:49:35 | TheMasterMind1 | Console, Opie, PicoGUI |
00:49:50 | scanline | so you can select between console and picogui, or picogui and X, or X and opie, or everything... |
00:49:56 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: any more bugs etc |
00:50:04 | TheMasterMind1 | all the stuff you've said is opie crap |
00:50:10 | TheMasterMind1 | so oz is doing great :) |
00:50:13 | VerxHome | still working on it |
00:50:14 | VerxHome | sorry man |
00:50:18 | VerxHome | I don't know what is what anymore |
00:50:18 | VerxHome | :) |
00:50:21 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't matter |
00:50:25 | TheMasterMind1 | it all needs to be fixed |
00:50:30 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll keeping track of it all |
00:50:35 | VerxHome | hrm |
00:50:46 | myuu | i completely agree scanline |
00:50:49 | VerxHome | tap-n-hold on a "running" icon doesn't do anything |
00:50:56 | TheMasterMind1 | its supposed to? |
00:51:07 | VerxHome | I thoughtyou just said it did |
00:51:10 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
00:51:11 | VerxHome | that you could kill an app that way |
00:51:14 | TheMasterMind1 | it just if something is hung |
00:51:15 | VerxHome | I must have misunderstood |
00:51:17 | TheMasterMind1 | and you click on its icon |
00:51:19 | TheMasterMind1 | it lets you kill it |
00:51:25 | TheMasterMind1 | not tap and hold |
00:51:25 | VerxHome | ok |
00:51:26 | TheMasterMind1 | just click |
00:51:30 | VerxHome | k |
00:52:04 | TheMasterMind1 | so where did kergoth go anyway |
00:52:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i hope he's fixing stuff |
00:52:10 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
00:52:26 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: except for it being picky about newlines, this new config system's great :) I want to either use this or CML2 in picogui soon, as the CML-variant I'm using right now doesn't do dependencies at all and I'd really like to have dependencies |
00:53:28 | VerxHome | hrm |
00:53:29 | VerxHome | man |
00:53:38 | VerxHome | so I cannot set the time or anything in date/time |
00:53:39 | VerxHome | drat |
00:53:50 | Onyx4 | I'm curious to know now how does the upgrade work from 2.9.5.5 to this new feed, and if ipkg upgrade ipkg , then just doing a ipkg upgrade (of everything) will work |
00:54:30 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: is atd running? did it create /var/spool/at/trigger? |
00:55:01 | VerxHome | ok |
00:55:05 | VerxHome | got the date/time to work |
00:55:08 | VerxHome | what you have to do |
00:55:14 | VerxHome | is an /etc/init.d/atd stop |
00:55:19 | VerxHome | then set your time and everything in date/time |
00:55:26 | VerxHome | then do an /etc/init.d/atd start |
00:55:29 | VerxHome | works fine that way |
00:55:40 | Onyx4 | mmm sounds like the trigger is not getting done right |
00:55:46 | Onyx4 | so that it doesn't release the RPC |
00:55:48 | Onyx4 | RTC |
00:56:12 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: try upgrading from 2.9.5.5 :) |
00:56:20 | VerxHome | ok |
00:56:24 | VerxHome | so the only GLARING issue |
00:56:27 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: I did, that's what I'm running now |
00:56:32 | VerxHome | is that fast load is completely screwed |
00:56:33 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
00:56:35 | TheMasterMind1 | you're ugprading? |
00:56:52 | Onyx4 | Well I did already , but package by package |
00:57:01 | Onyx4 | and overtime, so not from a clean 2.9.5.5 |
00:57:07 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
00:57:12 | Onyx4 | I never reflashed since then |
00:57:14 | TheMasterMind1 | so from 2.9.5.5 new ti worked? |
00:57:18 | Onyx4 | got too much crap installed hehe |
00:57:40 | TheMasterMind1 | howso |
00:57:48 | Onyx4 | but I'll reflash eventually :) |
00:57:50 | VerxHome | 3272 root 8048 S /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/opie-login |
00:57:54 | VerxHome | 3275 root 2684 S /usr/bin/ssh-agent /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/opie-login |
00:57:58 | VerxHome | should I have both of those? |
00:58:13 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
00:58:16 | TheMasterMind1 | its weird |
00:58:17 | Onyx4 | yes |
00:58:25 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: can you up your feed to sf? |
00:58:34 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: don't have access on sf |
00:58:43 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
00:58:49 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, i need all the ipks then |
00:59:00 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i get your feed |
00:59:04 | TheMasterMind1 | wget clone or something |
00:59:06 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i do that |
00:59:14 | Onyx4 | yeah I didn't create all of them |
00:59:18 | Onyx4 | some are missing |
00:59:20 | TheMasterMind1 | like what |
00:59:31 | TheMasterMind1 | create everything except hotplug, dhcpcd and vnc |
00:59:41 | VerxHome | what is opie-irc ? zic? |
01:00:03 | ljp | not zic, opieirc |
01:00:16 | Onyx4 | mmm I forgot pppd and php |
01:00:30 | TheMasterMind1 | you can just add them to config and compile |
01:00:33 | TheMasterMind1 | do nanoweb too |
01:00:36 | Onyx4 | yeah |
01:00:40 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: like zic, but better |
01:01:09 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: ok, tell me when that's done and i'll put it on sf and we can have more people testing |
01:01:56 | VerxHome | ljp: Interesting |
01:01:56 | VerxHome | there is another fairly longstanding bug in opie |
01:01:57 | VerxHome | if you have BOTH an MMC/SD card -*AND*- a CF card installed |
01:01:57 | VerxHome | cardmanager doesn't show the mmc/sd |
01:02:40 | scanline | How do I do a 'make clean' on one package? |
01:03:08 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: yes I hit that long time ago |
01:03:14 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: it said "SD removed" when you insert CF |
01:03:20 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: and vice verca |
01:03:30 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: let me see if this is filed |
01:03:39 | Onyx4 | we should file all opie bugs BTW |
01:03:44 | Onyx4 | otherwise they won't get fixed |
01:03:44 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: yea, its a crapshitting thing |
01:04:11 | VerxHome | crapshitting eh? |
01:04:13 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm writing it all down |
01:04:14 | VerxHome | rofl |
01:04:19 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: yea, it's always done that |
01:04:23 | TheMasterMind1 | rather annoying |
01:04:29 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: I filed the fast-load bug |
01:04:33 | TheMasterMind1 | i saw |
01:04:36 | Onyx4 | k |
01:04:40 | Onyx4 | we need to file the others |
01:04:46 | VerxHome | hrm |
01:04:47 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
01:04:54 | VerxHome | I -*THINK*- oipkg just locked |
01:05:00 | VerxHome | no |
01:05:05 | VerxHome | opie as a WHOLE locked |
01:05:12 | VerxHome | ssh still responds tho |
01:05:22 | VerxHome | this was after doing an install of opie-rotation |
01:05:25 | VerxHome | can anyone test that? |
01:05:42 | Onyx4 | opie-rotation from where? |
01:06:10 | Onyx4 | cause the one on SF.net is from an older qt snapshot then the one we're using now |
01:06:16 | VerxHome | from your feed onyx |
01:06:21 | Onyx4 | k |
01:06:23 | TheMasterMind1 | checking |
01:06:46 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: tell me when those ipks are done :) |
01:06:52 | Onyx4 | almost done |
01:06:54 | myuu | TMM- guess i might as well, that QPE rom that installs to SD isnt working so i have to reflash OZ, i might as well use the new rom, is the kernel more stable? |
01:06:57 | Onyx4 | compiling nanoweb now |
01:07:07 | TheMasterMind1 | myuu: kernel hasn't changed |
01:07:15 | TheMasterMind1 | but the initrd.bin is 30x more stable |
01:07:16 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: all done |
01:07:18 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
01:07:19 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: oh wait |
01:07:20 | TheMasterMind1 | all in that dir? |
01:07:23 | Onyx4 | didn't push |
01:07:26 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
01:07:30 | VerxHome | hrm |
01:07:35 | VerxHome | opie-rotation INSTALLED |
01:07:36 | TheMasterMind1 | ok i installed opie-rotation |
01:07:39 | VerxHome | but the rotated fonts did not |
01:07:40 | TheMasterMind1 | via commandline |
01:07:48 | TheMasterMind1 | those are in qt-rotation |
01:07:48 | VerxHome | I rotated the screen and it doesn't have any fonts |
01:07:52 | TheMasterMind1 | its a dependency |
01:07:53 | VerxHome | right |
01:07:55 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: i thought it locked? |
01:08:02 | VerxHome | but it should have installed through the dependency I would think |
01:08:08 | VerxHome | themastermind: It did |
01:08:13 | TheMasterMind1 | how'd you get back? |
01:08:17 | VerxHome | I had installed it to SD from oipkg |
01:08:19 | myuu | all right, ill do it in a little while |
01:08:30 | VerxHome | through SSH, I did an /etc/init.d/opie stop/start |
01:08:42 | TheMasterMind1 | i did it via command line and it did the dependency and didn't lock and works fine |
01:08:47 | TheMasterMind1 | someone else test via oipkg |
01:09:01 | Onyx4 | ok my feed is now updated |
01:09:16 | TheMasterMind1 | my fonts are fine too |
01:09:34 | ljp | my feed wil lbe updated as soon as the mac and cheese gets done cooking |
01:09:37 | VerxHome | ok |
01:09:38 | Xentac | so... I stepped away for a little while... I assume OZ has been released now.. |
01:09:44 | VerxHome | Imagonna rebewt it |
01:09:51 | Onyx4 | Xentac: not quite yet heh |
01:09:55 | Xentac | oh, ok |
01:10:01 | Onyx4 | Xentac: but there is a pre-release image |
01:10:03 | Xentac | figured you were testing more packages... ;o) |
01:10:04 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone know of how to mirror stuff via wget |
01:10:06 | Xentac | ah, I see |
01:10:06 | Onyx4 | Xentac: you want to play around with it? |
01:10:13 | Xentac | hmmm... |
01:10:16 | TheMasterMind1 | i want to download everything on Onyx4's feed |
01:10:26 | Xentac | I don't think I'm feeling well enough to think as straight as I'd like |
01:10:35 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: I can make a tarball if you want |
01:10:38 | Xentac | probably won't upgrade till he's not sick anymore... |
01:10:47 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: hmm, ok |
01:11:27 | Onyx4 | shoud I include the packages file or that gets rebuilt or sf.net? |
01:11:44 | TheMasterMind1 | include it |
01:11:46 | TheMasterMind1 | and make sure its latest |
01:11:49 | TheMasterMind1 | with nanoweb and all in it |
01:11:56 | Onyx4 | yep it is |
01:11:57 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
01:12:48 | Onyx4 | note that my packages don't have the description in them, since I didn't rebuild them all |
01:12:53 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
01:12:55 | Onyx4 | but they are up to date I think |
01:13:00 | Onyx4 | I'll do a full mrproper tonight |
01:13:00 | TheMasterMind1 | they don't show anyway |
01:13:02 | TheMasterMind1 | so whatever |
01:13:06 | Onyx4 | they show in oipkg |
01:13:09 | TheMasterMind1 | oh? |
01:13:11 | TheMasterMind1 | dont' for me.. |
01:13:15 | Onyx4 | when you click "+" |
01:13:31 | TheMasterMind1 | ah you're right |
01:13:35 | TheMasterMind1 | they weren't on my old rom |
01:13:35 | noda | Has anyone gotten (in the ./configure stage of bash) "checking for restartable system calls... configure: error: cannot run test program while cross compiling"? |
01:13:38 | TheMasterMind1 | must have been fixed |
01:13:41 | Onyx4 | k the file called feed-onyx4.tar.bz2 download that |
01:14:05 | Onyx4 | noda: don't select bash |
01:14:11 | Onyx4 | noda: start with the def-config/openzaurus |
01:14:12 | TheMasterMind1 | ok thanks |
01:14:13 | noda | Oh, hehe, good solution :) |
01:14:14 | TheMasterMind1 | downloading.. |
01:14:16 | nishi | hello pplz |
01:14:27 | VerxHome | themastermind, I am installing to flash now |
01:14:32 | VerxHome | at commandline |
01:14:36 | VerxHome | (opie-rotation) |
01:15:05 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
01:15:10 | TheMasterMind1 | nishi: hi |
01:15:18 | VerxHome | still no fonts |
01:15:27 | VerxHome | I have qt-embedded-rotation installed |
01:15:34 | VerxHome | is that what supposedly provides the fonts? |
01:16:20 | noda | Damn is this buildroot-oz stuff ever cool :) |
01:16:31 | VerxHome | noda: Kergoth is a god |
01:16:38 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: restart opie |
01:16:41 | noda | agrees. |
01:16:42 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: :) |
01:16:43 | VerxHome | I did |
01:16:43 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: yes |
01:16:45 | VerxHome | didn't help |
01:16:46 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
01:16:48 | TheMasterMind1 | works for me |
01:16:49 | TheMasterMind1 | weird |
01:16:54 | TheMasterMind1 | where are the fonts screwed up? |
01:17:02 | VerxHome | there WERE no fonts |
01:17:06 | VerxHome | let me try a different rotation |
01:17:06 | VerxHome | sec |
01:17:22 | TheMasterMind1 | which rotation did you do |
01:17:24 | TheMasterMind1 | i did the second down |
01:17:46 | VerxHome | I have tried second down, and third down |
01:17:49 | VerxHome | neither had any fonts |
01:17:59 | VerxHome | what all does opie-rotation depend on? |
01:18:06 | VerxHome | only qt-embedded-rotation? |
01:18:07 | VerxHome | or more? |
01:18:31 | Onyx4 | Mastermind, is this testing/Sept28 the optimized one? |
01:19:27 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
01:19:39 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: that's it |
01:19:44 | VerxHome | ok |
01:19:51 | VerxHome | perhaps it doesn't enjoy being installed to SD |
01:20:04 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
01:20:06 | TheMasterMind1 | via commandline |
01:20:11 | TheMasterMind1 | installing to nonroot wont' work |
01:20:12 | TheMasterMind1 | non / |
01:20:16 | TheMasterMind1 | because it doesn't symlink |
01:20:23 | TheMasterMind1 | via oipkg, it should |
01:20:27 | VerxHome | right |
01:20:32 | VerxHome | I did an install to SD from oipkg |
01:20:35 | VerxHome | that locked opie |
01:20:41 | VerxHome | then I did an install from the commandline |
01:20:56 | TheMasterMind1 | to sd? |
01:20:58 | VerxHome | but it didn't put it in /usr/lib/ipkg/status |
01:21:09 | VerxHome | so I think it somehow installed it to SD again |
01:21:59 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
01:22:01 | TheMasterMind1 | that's tricky |
01:22:04 | TheMasterMind1 | you should remove it from sd frist |
01:22:09 | VerxHome | I did |
01:22:12 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg -d sd remove whatever. |
01:22:16 | VerxHome | but I don't think it properly removed itself |
01:23:16 | VerxHome | there we go |
01:23:23 | TheMasterMind1 | what was wrong and how did you fix it |
01:23:24 | VerxHome | moral of the story - don't install opie-rotation to SD |
01:23:27 | VerxHome | it isn't happy there |
01:23:46 | VerxHome | well, I nuked everything from /mnt/card that had to do with either rotation package |
01:23:53 | VerxHome | and removed all traces from the status file |
01:23:58 | VerxHome | then reinstalled from commandline |
01:24:00 | VerxHome | and it works now |
01:24:14 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
01:24:15 | TheMasterMind1 | good |
01:24:23 | VerxHome | ok |
01:24:23 | VerxHome | man |
01:24:30 | TheMasterMind1 | we need a field in ipks that tell it if it has to be installed in a ceratin place |
01:24:34 | VerxHome | only thing I seem to be missing is fast load |
01:25:14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
01:25:45 | VerxHome | ok |
01:25:45 | VerxHome | um |
01:25:50 | VerxHome | here is a rather massive issue |
01:25:53 | VerxHome | no suspend |
01:25:53 | VerxHome | :) |
01:25:58 | TheMasterMind1 | what do you mean |
01:26:02 | TheMasterMind1 | suspend works for me.. |
01:26:08 | VerxHome | what I mean is |
01:26:13 | VerxHome | if I hold down the cancel button |
01:26:16 | VerxHome | absolutely nothing occurs |
01:26:21 | TheMasterMind1 | does for me |
01:26:25 | VerxHome | same with menu |
01:26:29 | TheMasterMind1 | does for me |
01:26:29 | VerxHome | it doesn't turn off the backlight |
01:26:33 | TheMasterMind1 | did you remove apmd? |
01:26:41 | VerxHome | hrm |
01:26:45 | VerxHome | something is serious wrong |
01:26:47 | VerxHome | no buttons are working |
01:26:50 | VerxHome | lemme reboot it |
01:26:52 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
01:26:52 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
01:26:52 | VerxHome | sec |
01:27:01 | VerxHome | blah |
01:27:03 | VerxHome | ok |
01:27:05 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds like a chvt problem |
01:27:08 | VerxHome | I removed it from the cradle |
01:27:11 | VerxHome | and it died |
01:27:13 | VerxHome | total lockup |
01:27:13 | TheMasterMind1 | ick |
01:27:31 | TheMasterMind1 | ick |
01:27:41 | VerxHome | putting it back in the cradle doesn't let me ssh into it either |
01:27:53 | TheMasterMind1 | i think you removed an important ipk or something |
01:27:57 | TheMasterMind1 | reboot and see what happens |
01:27:58 | VerxHome | nope |
01:28:01 | VerxHome | I didn't |
01:28:15 | TheMasterMind1 | btw, did tkc apps and all run? |
01:28:23 | VerxHome | yes, they all did |
01:28:42 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
01:28:44 | TheMasterMind1 | that's good |
01:28:53 | VerxHome | ok, rebooting now |
01:28:56 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
01:29:09 | VerxHome | I think it may have been related to ejecting my CF card |
01:29:19 | VerxHome | cuz I did that before I pulled it from the cradle |
01:29:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i think one of your earlier problems might have caused the keys and lockup thing |
01:29:23 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
01:29:25 | TheMasterMind1 | that might have been it |
01:29:28 | TheMasterMind1 | did you umount it? |
01:29:34 | VerxHome | sorry, but I had forgotten that |
01:29:36 | VerxHome | yes, I did |
01:29:39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
01:29:41 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme try that |
01:29:44 | TheMasterMind1 | you did it via cardmon? |
01:29:46 | kergoth | Why did an initrd.bin get released without the new groups to facilitate adding a usable opie user, and the device permissions changes? |
01:29:50 | VerxHome | I sure did |
01:29:59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: cuz you disapeared |
01:30:05 | TheMasterMind1 | its not "released" technically |
01:30:13 | TheMasterMind1 | we're just testing optimizations |
01:30:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its a testing rom on the *official* sf area. |
01:30:32 | scanline | hiya kergoth |
01:30:38 | TheMasterMind1 | blame scanline! |
01:30:41 | TheMasterMind1 | he told me to put it on sf |
01:30:43 | TheMasterMind1 | hides |
01:30:43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I do not want further "releases" without consulting me. I have a process, and specific plans for target points. |
01:30:49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: alright |
01:30:57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if you want to do testing roms, fine, do it on your own servers. |
01:31:18 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
01:32:08 | kergoth | I had shit to do. Had to help friends out. |
01:32:16 | kergoth | not going to sit on my ass all day on a saturday |
01:32:21 | kergoth | heh |
01:32:30 | Onyx4 | kergoth: seems like optimizations are working fine, 3-4 people tested the initrd and so far so good, we found some opie bugs but not probably related to that |
01:32:34 | ljp | but... kergoth... we... missed you... |
01:32:39 | TheMasterMind1 | re-evaluates his life |
01:32:45 | kergoth | smacks ljp with a Z cradle |
01:32:52 | TheMasterMind1 | why do i sit my ass all day on a saturday |
01:33:07 | kergoth | Onyx4: good. a completely untested rom should not be distributed on the official site. |
01:33:11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: well, our "testing" rom runs great |
01:33:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: good. |
01:33:18 | kergoth | glad to hear it. |
01:33:25 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
01:33:26 | VerxHome | this new version is VERY much better in a ton of different ways |
01:33:28 | kergoth | but we are *going* to have a process for this. |
01:33:31 | TheMasterMind1 | and scanline is working on picogui thing |
01:33:36 | VerxHome | the ONLY issue I have that is difficult is the fast load |
01:33:37 | Onyx4 | kergoth: yeah the idea was for mastermind to put it on his server just so that d/l speed is better |
01:33:39 | VerxHome | that is hurting me |
01:33:41 | scanline | trying to... |
01:33:47 | Onyx4 | didn't know he was gonna put it on SF.net |
01:33:50 | VerxHome | and the CF stuff seems to have the same old issues it did before |
01:33:52 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, its my fault |
01:34:05 | kergoth | putting it on openzaurus.sf.net, even in the testing area, makes people assume its officlal |
01:34:17 | kergoth | and given those assumptions, will associate any strange bugs do to our testing work with openzaurus as a whole |
01:34:35 | scanline | kergoth: how about creating an "unofficial" directory on the web server, and removing group access from everything else? |
01:34:51 | kergoth | I dont want that. I will establish a nightly *unstable*, not a *testing* rom. testing is relegated to release by myself. |
01:34:53 | kergoth | scanline: good idea. |
01:35:09 | kergoth | mutters and starts writing the openzaurus policy manual |
01:35:18 | kergoth | am glad everything is being good though |
01:35:20 | kergoth | nice work you guys |
01:35:41 | kergoth | I appreciate the assistance. managing everything in a distribution takes a bit of work, as you've noticed |
01:35:44 | Onyx4 | one bug I think that is new is that we can't change the time without stopping atd |
01:35:56 | VerxHome | onyx4: That isn't new |
01:35:59 | kergoth | Onyx4: thats been reported on multiple occasions, but never isolated. |
01:36:01 | kergoth | yep |
01:36:04 | VerxHome | I have NEVER been able to set time in oz without doing that |
01:36:06 | kergoth | Onyx4: i've never seen it, to date |
01:36:12 | VerxHome | kergoth: The new twist tho |
01:36:13 | VerxHome | is that |
01:36:13 | kergoth | Onyx4: works flawless on my unit 100% of the time |
01:36:16 | kergoth | Onyx4: tis odd |
01:36:21 | VerxHome | if you try it now |
01:36:24 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: so, your keys fixed on reboot? |
01:36:27 | VerxHome | date/time locks up when you tap "ok" |
01:36:31 | VerxHome | themastermind: Yup |
01:36:35 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
01:36:44 | kergoth | netsystemtime locks up when there's no internet connection btw |
01:36:47 | VerxHome | themastermind: I confirmed it was a CF issue - still can't use my 256MB CF cards in OZ at all |
01:36:48 | kergoth | there are various opie bugs like that |
01:36:49 | scanline | How can I "make clean" a package in OZ? |
01:36:55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: can we use testing-optimized on sf? |
01:36:59 | kergoth | scanline: make SUBDIRS=packages/blah clean |
01:37:04 | scanline | kergoth: thanks |
01:37:05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no. |
01:37:08 | TheMasterMind1 | or maybe rename that to unofficial |
01:37:14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: there are 3 states. stable, testing, and unstable. |
01:37:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: untested changes are *unstable*, not *testing* |
01:37:39 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
01:37:49 | TheMasterMind1 | unofficial/unstable/optimized/ then? |
01:38:14 | kergoth | essentially |
01:38:22 | Onyx4 | kergoth: so I commited the fix for opie optimizations, if we want to revert it, all we need to do is change -xplatform to sharp instead of oz, and everything go back to normal |
01:38:37 | kergoth | Onyx4: yep, thats why i wanted it done that way :) |
01:38:43 | Onyx4 | k |
01:38:46 | kergoth | what klogd stuff was removed from busybox? |
01:39:09 | Onyx4 | I made a typo |
01:39:12 | TheMasterMind1 | i patched it to remove -q option that wasn't working in the startup script |
01:39:15 | Onyx4 | left some invalid options for busybox klogd |
01:39:15 | nadav | ugh |
01:39:32 | TheMasterMind1 | nadav: ? |
01:39:47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: good. removing -q was already in my tree, but never committed :) |
01:39:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: glad thats taken care of |
01:39:52 | nadav | TheMasterMind1: just ISP being annoying :P |
01:40:43 | Xentac | for everyone who doesn't think that computer humour is corny: |
01:40:45 | Xentac | http://picogui.org/wiki/view/Main/ToCOrNotToC |
01:40:49 | TheMasterMind1 | nadav: ok |
01:41:59 | nadav | does oz sync well? |
01:42:06 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, we're using openzaurus.sf.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ now |
01:43:07 | scanline | kergoth: I have libpng3 and pg-server converted so far |
01:43:21 | kergoth | scanline: great |
01:43:49 | noda | Hrm, my build seems to have halted on busybox checkout (util-linux/umount.c). Anyone else have that problem? |
01:43:58 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hey, i was thinking. can we add a field to ipks that tells it if it needs to be installed in the root or of it can be installed elsewhere, such as sd/cf |
01:44:08 | TheMasterMind1 | like opie-rotation / qt-rotation don't work on sd |
01:44:08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: talk to the ipkg developers. |
01:44:14 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, but is it a good idea? |
01:44:18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: adding a field that isnt official is useless |
01:44:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no |
01:44:25 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
01:44:27 | kergoth | imho |
01:44:30 | kergoth | but talk to jamey |
01:44:33 | kergoth | in #handhelds.org |
01:44:33 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
01:44:40 | kergoth | he's the primary ipkg developer |
01:44:42 | kergoth | among other things |
01:44:45 | kergoth | he's one of the main guys behind familiar |
01:46:32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: chmod g+ws /home/groups/o/op/openzaurus/htdocs/unofficial |
01:46:38 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
01:47:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: same for every dir in there |
01:47:42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: unstable, etc |
01:47:58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and just g+w on the files |
01:47:58 | TheMasterMind1 | done |
01:48:07 | kergoth | um |
01:48:16 | kergoth | the feed dir is still g=sx, no write access for group |
01:48:21 | kergoth | okay, there |
01:48:23 | kergoth | good |
01:48:34 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
01:48:37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: chmod g-s on the files, and only teh files, not the dirs |
01:49:14 | TheMasterMind1 | there |
01:49:22 | kergoth | okay, great. |
01:49:24 | kergoth | thanks |
01:50:27 | TheMasterMind1 | *sigh* |
01:50:40 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid devel machine |
01:51:02 | nadav | does intelllisync's file transfer feature work with oz? |
01:51:11 | TheMasterMind1 | it should |
01:51:17 | nadav | ok |
01:51:54 | scanline | tries loading a 1600x1200 .bmp file on his zaurus |
01:52:12 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
01:52:14 | TheMasterMind1 | smart |
01:52:20 | nadav | whats the default ip usbd0 gets? |
01:52:29 | kergoth | nadav: 192.168.129.201 |
01:52:31 | TheMasterMind1 | 192.168.129.201 |
01:52:31 | kergoth | nadav: on the Z |
01:52:33 | nadav | ok |
01:52:35 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
01:52:47 | nadav | let's see if file transfer works |
01:52:47 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: so, how do you like this optimized oz? |
01:52:57 | scanline | hey, it loads fine |
01:53:02 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: :P |
01:53:03 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: heh |
01:53:05 | TheMasterMind1 | what program? |
01:53:17 | scanline | PicoGUI's imgview app |
01:53:23 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
01:53:24 | scanline | some scrolling bugs though... |
01:53:31 | Onyx4 | nadav: file transfers never worked great, they hang most often on large ones, let me know if they work now :) |
01:53:31 | TheMasterMind1 | fix the bugs! |
01:53:37 | scanline | working on it! |
01:53:49 | scanline | hehe... this is from top, with the big image loaded: |
01:53:51 | scanline | 657 S 467 0 5624 kB 3664 kB pgserver |
01:53:59 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
01:54:19 | scanline | only twice as much as sshd |
01:54:32 | nadav | Onyx4: it seems like intellisync cant even talk to it |
01:54:38 | nadav | yeah |
01:54:40 | nadav | no response from partner |
01:54:50 | TheMasterMind1 | are ips set right? |
01:54:51 | Onyx4 | can you ping it? |
01:54:55 | TheMasterMind1 | does intellisync use ftp? |
01:55:11 | nadav | i can't ping it |
01:55:15 | nadav | i have the Z set as 192.168.129.201 |
01:55:21 | nadav | i could try setting it as 192.168.0.2 |
01:55:23 | TheMasterMind1 | and desktop? |
01:55:24 | nadav | like i did with the sharp rom |
01:55:30 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, try that |
01:55:33 | Onyx4 | the desktop should be 192.168.129.200 |
01:55:33 | scanline | takes maybe 6 seconds to load the image, when running imgview remotely over 802.11. It's limited by the wireless bandwidth |
01:55:40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
01:55:41 | TheMasterMind1 | impressive |
01:56:08 | nadav | ah |
01:56:12 | scanline | I don't know why the vertical scrollbar isn't appearing... |
01:56:15 | nadav | the desktop is still 192.168.0.1 from before |
01:56:25 | nadav | i'm too lazy to do tcp/ip through usb right now |
01:56:26 | scanline | I'll fix these bugs after I get all the build scripts converted, right now I'm running most of it manually |
01:56:30 | nadav | so i'll set it back to 192.168.129.200 |
01:56:32 | Onyx4 | nadav: ok change it to the ip i told you |
01:57:13 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: can you push changes to kernel? |
01:57:25 | nadav | waits |
01:57:31 | nadav | hm |
01:57:33 | nadav | still no response |
01:57:46 | nadav | wait |
01:57:47 | nadav | it pings. |
01:57:53 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
01:58:04 | nadav | but file transfer doesn't work |
01:58:27 | nadav | weird |
01:58:31 | Onyx4 | go into security |
01:58:36 | Onyx4 | in settings |
01:58:43 | Onyx4 | set to allow talk to the IP set youre using |
01:58:54 | nadav | ah |
01:59:04 | Onyx4 | OZ is "Secure" by default |
01:59:08 | Onyx4 | lol |
01:59:13 | VerxHome | themastermind: Seems nice except for lack of fast load. :) |
01:59:34 | nadav | prays |
01:59:51 | nadav | bleh |
02:00:04 | Onyx4 | bleh? good/bad? |
02:00:09 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: ok, the ipks are up too now |
02:00:10 | nadav | wait.. |
02:00:12 | nadav | progress ;) |
02:00:27 | nadav | aha! |
02:00:28 | nadav | works. |
02:00:42 | Onyx4 | did you try a large file like 50-100mb? |
02:00:47 | nadav | nah |
02:01:03 | nadav | can you transfer files to CF/SD using intellisync? |
02:01:10 | TheMasterMind1 | no clue |
02:01:11 | TheMasterMind1 | try it |
02:01:27 | nadav | i dont think you can |
02:01:35 | TheMasterMind1 | ok all the unstable unofficial optmized stuff is up |
02:01:38 | nadav | installs kbill |
02:02:15 | nadav | there we go |
02:02:26 | Onyx4 | nadav: if you install stuff, make sure to change your feed location to the right unstable/untested directory |
02:02:30 | Onyx4 | in /etc/ipkg.conf |
02:02:31 | scanline | ah.. this handles 1280x1024 images great |
02:02:39 | Onyx4 | since the one by default is the stable feed |
02:02:44 | scanline | I need a zoom mode |
02:02:45 | nadav | onyx: what should i change it to? |
02:02:59 | Onyx4 | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ |
02:03:03 | nadav | ah |
02:03:04 | nadav | ok |
02:03:29 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: delete that tarball out of there :) |
02:03:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
02:04:06 | TheMasterMind1 | done |
02:04:50 | Onyx4 | nadav: then oipkg -> file -> update |
02:04:58 | Onyx4 | then close restart oipkg and then install stuff |
02:05:13 | Onyx4 | did you guys notice that oipkg acts weird when you say "update" the feed list, I have to restart it to act ok |
02:05:17 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
02:05:21 | TheMasterMind1 | it always does that |
02:05:41 | Onyx4 | im surprised they are making all these changes to opie, but they aren't focusing on the core of it, getting a good stable package manager |
02:05:55 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
02:05:58 | TheMasterMind1 | the core is actually ipkg |
02:05:58 | VerxHome | opie is fairly misdirected |
02:05:59 | TheMasterMind1 | which sucks |
02:06:02 | TheMasterMind1 | and needs to be fixed |
02:06:13 | TheMasterMind1 | then you can improve oipkg and aqpkg |
02:06:31 | ljp | did youinstall the embedix arm stuff? |
02:06:34 | ljp | whoops |
02:06:35 | VerxHome | opie devs are doing all kinds of things instead of making a core of opie that is stable and reliable and THEN going on from there |
02:07:21 | ljp | so |
02:07:31 | ljp | opie is never stable |
02:09:18 | scanline | whee.. 400 button widgets |
02:09:31 | ljp | hmm |
02:09:31 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
02:09:41 | TheMasterMind1 | beat THAT opie! |
02:10:00 | ljp | if you guys dont like opie, no one is making you use it |
02:10:18 | VerxHome | heh |
02:10:24 | VerxHome | I don't dislike opie |
02:10:28 | ljp | if you dont care for the direction we are taking it, you ar efree to start your own fork |
02:10:31 | scanline | I don't dislike opie, I just try to work on something better :) |
02:10:38 | VerxHome | I just think some of the decisions the opie team makes are confusing |
02:10:41 | TheMasterMind1 | finds ljp's defensive attitude immensly amusing |
02:10:50 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.8921.png |
02:10:52 | ljp | well, scanline.. |
02:11:07 | ljp | is very grumpy from this chest cold |
02:11:12 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: haha |
02:11:26 | Onyx4 | how do you get the buttons like that scanline? |
02:11:35 | Onyx4 | the aqua theme |
02:11:42 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: its picogui :) |
02:11:46 | scanline | Onyx4: I load aqua.th into the server, and the buttons magically do that :) |
02:12:00 | Onyx4 | ha thought this was opie with liquid |
02:12:05 | scanline | hehe |
02:12:19 | ljp | ya, as if opie couldnt do that |
02:12:23 | nadav | ah |
02:12:27 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
02:12:29 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.21078.png <-- 1280x1024 image, says so in the titlebar |
02:12:34 | nadav | looks like intellisync automatically transfers files to CF |
02:12:45 | Onyx4 | nadav: ok that's good |
02:12:48 | nadav | Onyx4: yeah. |
02:12:53 | nadav | i wonder how it decides |
02:12:57 | nadav | in a case where you have SD and CF> |
02:13:09 | nadav | tries to install prboom |
02:13:43 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: does kismet still works for u? I get a libncurses problem not finding some symbols |
02:13:55 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: maybe we need to recompile it with the new staging area |
02:14:25 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, and there's a new version out |
02:14:28 | nadav | jesus |
02:14:30 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.4.6 -> 2.6.0 |
02:14:33 | TheMasterMind1 | i converted it |
02:14:39 | TheMasterMind1 | but its on a machine that' down |
02:14:43 | ljp | if you find bugs in opie, you can submit bugs to http://www.opie.info/bugs/ |
02:14:44 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't get to it until monday |
02:14:46 | TheMasterMind1 | so wait :) |
02:14:57 | Onyx4 | ljp: we're planning to, I already did one today |
02:15:09 | Onyx4 | we're building up a list, validating them and we'll sumbit for sure |
02:15:11 | ljp | good. :) |
02:15:16 | scanline | the scrolling is a tiny bit slow with those 400 buttons... |
02:15:26 | scanline | files a bug report |
02:15:28 | ljp | ok, I want 20 bug reports by 0600 |
02:15:45 | ljp | my localtime |
02:15:47 | ljp | heh |
02:15:54 | Onyx4 | if you want to make Verx happy, see if you can fix fastload :) |
02:16:06 | VerxHome | ljp doesn't wanna make me happy |
02:16:09 | VerxHome | he has a chestcold |
02:16:11 | VerxHome | he needs to sleep |
02:16:17 | VerxHome | and take some nyquil or something |
02:16:32 | ljp | fastload sounds like sandman likes to do that |
02:18:12 | ljp | doesnt like drugs like nyquil |
02:18:24 | VerxHome | well |
02:18:27 | VerxHome | point is |
02:18:34 | VerxHome | you need to take something for your chest cold |
02:18:42 | ljp | I am .. water |
02:18:52 | VerxHome | actually, water will help you a lot |
02:19:04 | ljp | nyquil doesnt do anything cept make me drunk |
02:22:09 | Onyx4 | ljp: take "dayquil" |
02:22:17 | ljp | no |
02:22:17 | Onyx4 | it's same without the alchohol |
02:22:26 | nadav | wtf |
02:22:31 | nadav | file transfer only says it saves to CF |
02:22:33 | nadav | it actually doesn't |
02:23:12 | Onyx4 | nadav: it saved them into /root/Documents right? |
02:23:27 | Onyx4 | I think the intellysync has no idea where it puts the files, it just assumes |
02:23:32 | nadav | yes. |
02:23:39 | nadav | well.. OZ says it's in CF |
02:25:28 | nadav | sighs |
02:26:38 | nadav | crap |
02:28:20 | Onyx4 | what's up? |
02:28:41 | nadav | how can i transfer files straight to CF? |
02:28:50 | Onyx4 | use "scp" |
02:28:53 | nadav | ? |
02:29:02 | Onyx4 | ssh = secure shell protocol |
02:29:08 | nadav | i know what ssh is.. |
02:29:11 | Onyx4 | get a SCP client |
02:29:28 | nadav | for the Z? |
02:29:32 | Onyx4 | scp is like "ftp" but it's secure and uses ssh server |
02:29:37 | nadav | ok |
02:29:37 | Onyx4 | it's already installed on the Z |
02:29:41 | Onyx4 | all you need is scp for windows |
02:29:42 | nadav | i know |
02:29:45 | nadav | ah. |
02:29:53 | Onyx4 | you can get "putty" |
02:30:01 | nadav | yeah, i have putty |
02:30:02 | Onyx4 | that's a command line scp client |
02:30:15 | Onyx4 | putty-scp or something like that |
02:30:17 | nadav | oh. |
02:30:30 | Onyx4 | do you do scp localfile root@zaurusip:/mnt/cf/ |
02:31:05 | nadav | i'll try |
02:32:31 | nadav | Usage: pscp [options] [user@]host:source target |
02:32:32 | nadav | pscp [options] source [source...] [user@]host:target |
02:32:32 | nadav | pscp [options] -ls user@host:filespec |
02:32:33 | nadav | erm |
02:38:38 | Onyx4 | so pscp c:\temp\toto root@192.168.129.201:/mnt/cf |
02:39:06 | Onyx4 | it may not like the leading "/" I gave you originally |
02:39:32 | nadav | oh |
02:39:58 | nadav | ah |
02:39:59 | nadav | sweet |
02:40:23 | Onyx4 | I use scp all the time |
02:40:38 | nadav | i've never heard of it before |
02:41:08 | Onyx4 | well it's like "rcp" from the rlogin/rcp sets of unix tools |
02:41:27 | BZFlag | but secure. ;-) |
02:41:56 | nadav | heh |
02:42:18 | BZFlag | on unix you can do "scp user@foo.example.com:/tmp/file user@bar.example.com:/tmp/" too |
02:42:35 | BZFlag | but I seem to recall that pscp did not like that. |
02:42:59 | Onyx4 | yeah |
02:43:06 | Onyx4 | I think we'll need to update the FAQ pretty soon |
02:43:14 | Onyx4 | we get asked some questions over and over again |
02:43:18 | Onyx4 | or maybe a how-to |
02:43:27 | Onyx4 | kinda like an initial walk-trough of OZ |
02:43:49 | BZFlag | yep. |
02:50:23 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: you still here |
02:52:46 | ljp | ok.. I am _finally_ flashing again |
02:52:59 | ljp | now its my turn to bitch about opie |
02:53:01 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
02:53:02 | TheMasterMind1 | what's up |
02:53:10 | Onyx4 | ljp hehe you flashing our latest image? |
02:53:18 | ljp | I guess so |
02:53:23 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: what's the outstanding list of bugs we need to check for opie |
02:53:42 | ljp | resume/suspend |
02:53:51 | Onyx4 | well that we worked around |
02:54:01 | Onyx4 | with the patch I did to use apm -s |
02:54:10 | ljp | sandman gave kergoth something to test out |
02:54:23 | Onyx4 | yep, we're gonna use the workaround while we nail it down |
02:54:30 | Onyx4 | so we don't affect everyone's stability :) |
02:55:08 | Onyx4 | nishi says there's some problem with settings time |
02:55:09 | ljp | I bet anything is holding open the file descriptor that mucking it up |
02:55:41 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
02:55:49 | TheMasterMind1 | did kergoth come back? |
02:56:04 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
02:56:06 | TheMasterMind1 | opie bugs |
02:56:07 | TheMasterMind1 | lets see |
02:56:11 | Onyx4 | ok I'm gonna file the bug about cardmon for the SD/CF invalid status |
02:56:30 | Onyx4 | where it says SD removed when you insert CF, and vice versa |
02:56:43 | ljp | just make sure its an opie bug, not oz bug |
02:56:53 | ljp | oh |
02:56:57 | ljp | hmm |
02:57:10 | Onyx4 | but SD is still there :) just not showing up in cardmon |
02:58:17 | ljp | sticks his sd in |
02:58:32 | Onyx4 | so if you have sd in, then insert CF |
02:58:43 | Onyx4 | it needs to be a CF memory card, wireless doesn't do it |
02:58:49 | Onyx4 | something that'll change /etc/mtab basically |
02:59:20 | TheMasterMind1 | fastload, ability to change all backgrounds, record color chosen in background color chooser so you can go back to it quickly in other background places, opie-datetime crashes if atd isn't stopped, cancel on embeddedkonsole doesn't close it, oipkg needs to be restarted after a update from feed, opie-login tries to use current font on a big size (doesn't work with most fonts), opie-login doesn't obey light and power settings, opie- |
02:59:20 | TheMasterMind1 | to load .profile at login, cf insertions prompts a sd removal in cardmon, opie-login needs ability to let you go to console |
02:59:24 | TheMasterMind1 | there's the list |
02:59:39 | ljp | ahh ya |
02:59:42 | TheMasterMind1 | and also, umopapisdn said his cf wasn't mounting, that's an oz issue.. along with the vnc not working |
03:00:07 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: umopapisdn|away sais when he tried our initrd the cf was mounting |
03:00:12 | Onyx4 | so he was outdated |
03:00:16 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
03:00:19 | ljp | cancel on embeddedkonsole will never close the app |
03:00:23 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
03:00:26 | TheMasterMind1 | fine |
03:00:39 | Onyx4 | ljp thought cancel only did esc ? :) |
03:00:41 | ljp | vi wont work with that if it closes |
03:00:44 | Onyx4 | didn't know it would close it |
03:00:50 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: ah, yes :) |
03:01:14 | TheMasterMind1 | crosses that one out |
03:01:27 | ljp | hmm dont know about that datetime thing.. migh tbe oz |
03:04:07 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe |
03:04:18 | Onyx4 | maybe we should create a BUGS file in our bk tree? just so we can jot them down amd mark them with "r" for reported "f" fixed etc... or find a good bug tracking system |
03:04:42 | ljp | on firstboot, after login, you might want to run systemtime app |
03:04:42 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
03:04:42 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
03:04:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: hm, good idea |
03:05:38 | ljp | and city time needs to be in by default |
03:05:55 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll add that |
03:06:03 | ljp | systemtime runs citytime ;) |
03:06:16 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
03:06:19 | TheMasterMind1 | we have netsystemtime |
03:07:16 | ljp | thats different |
03:07:35 | ljp | not everyone has a net connection |
03:08:04 | TheMasterMind1 | so why is it default |
03:08:09 | TheMasterMind1 | isnt' there a opie-systemtime? |
03:08:10 | nadav | does opie-remote work? |
03:08:10 | ljp | dunno |
03:08:12 | TheMasterMind1 | that's not installed |
03:08:27 | ljp | there should be systemtime and citytime |
03:08:33 | Onyx4 | we just added citytime btw |
03:08:44 | Onyx4 | to the default, didn't it get installed? |
03:08:59 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm? |
03:09:04 | Onyx4 | oh did kergoth switch to netsystime? |
03:09:05 | TheMasterMind1 | i just pushed something |
03:09:08 | TheMasterMind1 | with citytime as default |
03:09:11 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
03:09:15 | TheMasterMind1 | i added citytime and pushed |
03:09:18 | TheMasterMind1 | just now |
03:09:24 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno what's up with netsystemtime |
03:09:29 | Onyx4 | there are two apps to set time, systemtime and netsystime |
03:09:32 | TheMasterMind1 | but seems systemtime is also on my zaurus |
03:09:33 | ljp | cool, you added advancedfm and clock ;) |
03:09:39 | Onyx4 | netsystime is still experimental since it's fairly new |
03:09:45 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
03:09:49 | ljp | and not everyone has a net connect |
03:09:50 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
03:09:53 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: yep |
03:09:57 | Onyx4 | we should switch bak to the normal one, we don't even have ntpdate installed |
03:10:01 | Onyx4 | netsystimes needs ntpdate |
03:10:30 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
03:10:32 | TheMasterMind1 | look at the Z |
03:10:36 | TheMasterMind1 | netsystemtime isn't installed |
03:10:39 | TheMasterMind1 | systemtime is |
03:10:46 | TheMasterMind1 | but in the Makefile, its weird |
03:10:51 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth probably knows |
03:10:52 | TheMasterMind1 | we'll ask him |
03:11:02 | Onyx4 | checking.. |
03:11:24 | Onyx4 | ok no we use netsystime |
03:11:30 | Onyx4 | and we have citytime listed twice |
03:11:51 | TheMasterMind1 | we do? |
03:12:05 | Onyx4 | do a search on city in vi |
03:12:07 | Onyx4 | you'll see |
03:12:11 | TheMasterMind1 | beh |
03:12:12 | TheMasterMind1 | fix it |
03:12:13 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
03:12:19 | Onyx4 | do you see that in your copy as well? |
03:12:22 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
03:12:23 | Onyx4 | just checking ot make sure |
03:12:25 | Onyx4 | ok |
03:12:26 | TheMasterMind1 | i added the extra one |
03:12:26 | TheMasterMind1 | my bad |
03:12:35 | Onyx4 | I'll fix it and remove netsystime to just systemtime |
03:12:43 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm k |
03:12:47 | Onyx4 | until it's more stable and we port ntpdate |
03:14:00 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
03:14:05 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds good |
03:14:17 | Onyx4 | because netsystime wasn't even working until like a week ago |
03:14:23 | Onyx4 | they just redid it |
03:15:39 | TheMasterMind1 | so what else is pending |
03:15:46 | TheMasterMind1 | opie as nonroot i guess |
03:15:50 | TheMasterMind1 | with all users/groups fixed |
03:15:51 | Onyx4 | bk pull |
03:15:52 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth's doing that |
03:16:24 | Onyx4 | I bet that with regular systemtime all the problems people have with time and stuff will be gone |
03:16:38 | Onyx4 | cause I never saw this before with systemtime |
03:17:05 | Onyx4 | brb |
03:17:12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
03:17:14 | TheMasterMind1 | you might be right |
03:19:02 | VerxHome | oipkg still has a problem installing stuff that has been installed/uninstalled before |
03:20:12 | TheMasterMind1 | it always has |
03:20:13 | TheMasterMind1 | always will |
03:20:18 | TheMasterMind1 | its a problem with ipkg |
03:20:25 | VerxHome | ahhh |
03:20:25 | TheMasterMind1 | so oipkg doesn't handle it very well either |
03:21:01 | scanline | Is there any logic to how xconfig arranges the menu hierarchy? |
03:21:04 | scanline | :) |
03:21:17 | TheMasterMind1 | good question :oP |
03:21:23 | TheMasterMind1 | how goes the conversion? |
03:22:00 | scanline | just figuring the best way to handle some of these dependencies... |
03:22:19 | scanline | they should all go in a "PicoGUI" category |
03:22:29 | scanline | pgserver depends on libpng, libjpeg, and libc |
03:22:34 | scanline | cli_c depends on libc |
03:22:40 | scanline | apps depend on cli_c and themetools |
03:22:46 | scanline | hmm... |
03:23:00 | scanline | if the menu structure is based only on dependency, it will be pretty messed up |
03:24:52 | Xentac | just watched the Truman Show |
03:25:31 | Onyx4 | my feeling is that when something is uninstalled, ipkg and oipkg should clear it from the status file |
03:25:38 | Onyx4 | otherwise it will re-install it where it's been installed before |
03:26:33 | Xentac | Onyx4: that's what I always do by hand when I uninstall something |
03:27:07 | Onyx4 | how do you leave a message for someone using ibot |
03:27:10 | ljp | do you guys apply a patch to embeddedkonsole? |
03:27:18 | Onyx4 | no we did not touch it |
03:27:29 | | ljp: excuse me? |
03:27:29 | ljp | ibot: mesasge for onyx4: like this |
03:27:35 | ljp | hmm |
03:27:45 | ljp | ibot: message for onyx4: like this |
03:27:50 | Onyx4 | k |
03:28:11 | Onyx4 | ibot: message for nishi: to fix the time setting issue, remove netsystemtime and install "systemtime" |
03:28:43 | ljp | ohh. I see whats going on in konsole.. nm |
03:29:00 | Onyx4 | are you referering to the loading of .profile? |
03:29:34 | ljp | nope |
03:29:59 | ljp | the list of commands on the main window is longer than the list of commands to edit |
03:30:56 | ljp | no libncurses? |
03:32:08 | ljp | whats /liblib for? did you guys do that? |
03:32:39 | ljp | oh there's ncurses |
03:32:45 | Wembly | how do you remove the password from the security applet? |
03:33:10 | Onyx4 | heh /liblib? |
03:33:26 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
03:33:28 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno what' making that |
03:33:31 | TheMasterMind1 | need to figure out |
03:33:37 | Onyx4 | ok I can figure it out |
03:33:46 | TheMasterMind1 | i greped and didn't find anything |
03:33:49 | Onyx4 | using ipkg-files command :) |
03:33:50 | TheMasterMind1 | so i dunno |
03:33:56 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
03:33:56 | Onyx4 | did you try that? |
03:33:56 | TheMasterMind1 | smart |
03:34:01 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
03:34:02 | Onyx4 | k |
03:34:09 | Onyx4 | try it :) |
03:34:19 | TheMasterMind1 | you doit |
03:34:52 | Onyx4 | ok I submitted the SD/cf carmon bug |
03:35:30 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
03:35:34 | TheMasterMind1 | what about the others? |
03:35:43 | TheMasterMind1 | from my huge list |
03:35:44 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
03:35:56 | Onyx4 | im filing the ones I know more about |
03:36:20 | Onyx4 | I think we could file the ones for opie-login under a single "opie-login enhancements" |
03:36:39 | Onyx4 | I'll do that |
03:37:36 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
03:37:36 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
03:38:54 | Onyx4 | so there are 3 issues with opie-login right? |
03:39:08 | TheMasterMind1 | light and power, fonts, profile, console |
03:39:14 | Onyx4 | profile ? |
03:40:32 | TheMasterMind1 | it needs to load profiles |
03:40:35 | TheMasterMind1 | when you login |
03:40:37 | TheMasterMind1 | /etc/.profile |
03:40:41 | TheMasterMind1 | /root/.profile |
03:40:41 | TheMasterMind1 | etc |
03:40:44 | TheMasterMind1 | /etc/profile rather |
03:41:24 | Onyx4 | was that happening before when not using opie-login? |
03:41:29 | ljp | loooking good guys.. I gotta hit the hay.. n8 |
03:41:31 | Onyx4 | i don't think it loaded that either |
03:41:46 | TheMasterMind1 | i know |
03:41:55 | TheMasterMind1 | the easiest way is to make opie-login load it |
03:42:03 | TheMasterMind1 | or i dunno |
03:42:05 | TheMasterMind1 | we need it loaded |
03:42:09 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe when opie starts |
03:43:07 | Onyx4 | if opie-login would load it, then the konsole would have it loaded probably |
03:43:12 | Onyx4 | that'd be nice ok i'll write that down |
03:43:25 | Onyx4 | by light&power settings you meant what by that? |
03:43:42 | Onyx4 | that it should have the backlight at half or etc ? |
03:44:35 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
03:44:45 | TheMasterMind1 | i just realized though |
03:44:49 | TheMasterMind1 | if they're not using opie-login |
03:44:52 | TheMasterMind1 | we still need profile loaded |
03:44:53 | TheMasterMind1 | so.. |
03:45:16 | Onyx4 | ok so we may need to do that someplace else |
03:45:29 | Onyx4 | I think we might just need it inside konsole |
03:45:38 | Onyx4 | where else would you need something set |
03:45:45 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm yea |
03:45:46 | Onyx4 | cause the opie startup script sets the right env variable |
03:45:53 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: if you have multiple sources listed in the makefile, does it automatically fetch all of them? |
03:45:53 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
03:46:02 | scanline | to where? |
03:46:08 | scanline | I have: |
03:46:10 | scanline | Sources := :pserver:anonymous@cvs.picogui.org:/cvsroot/pgui module=apps; \ |
03:46:10 | scanline | $(TOPDIR)/packages/$(Name)/pg-appconf.tar.gz; |
03:46:10 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: yep. you need a ; \ at the end of each |
03:46:17 | TheMasterMind1 | it puts them all in $(SourceTree) |
03:46:25 | TheMasterMind1 | usually you have one thing and a few patches |
03:46:26 | scanline | ah... |
03:46:51 | scanline | yeah, pg-appconf has configuration files for the apps, it's a kludge until the apps' makefiles generate the config files |
03:47:04 | Onyx4 | k opie-login filed |
03:47:08 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
03:47:32 | Onyx4 | next is for the launcher/apperance settings |
03:47:39 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
03:47:52 | Onyx4 | so we can put both the backgrounds and the color chooser in that one? |
03:48:04 | TheMasterMind1 | btw, if you're going to submit one for oipkg, tell em to delete old package info files too |
03:48:09 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: yea |
03:48:20 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: would a line like this make sense: |
03:48:22 | scanline | cd $(IPKTMP_DIR)/usr/share/picogui/apps/; tar zxf $(TOPDIR)/packages/$(Name)/pg-appconf.tar.gz |
03:48:23 | Onyx4 | there is already one filed on oipkg I think that mentionned that |
03:48:26 | Onyx4 | I'd have to check |
03:49:07 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm yes |
03:49:12 | Onyx4 | well the one on opie background stuff that's minor, not really a bug but more a feature, since this just got released like this week, I'll let them finish the apperance and enhance it before complaining |
03:49:14 | TheMasterMind1 | that works |
03:49:22 | scanline | doesn't seem to :) |
03:49:24 | scanline | debugs |
03:49:29 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: hmmm |
03:49:50 | scanline | I really hate the app packaging in picogui right now.... |
03:50:10 | scanline | we have a new system planned, it's just not implemented |
03:50:16 | | carpman was last seen on #openzaurus 3 hours, 39 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: hehe, country and western raves. :) [Sun Sep 29 01:10:44 2002] |
03:50:16 | scanline | ibot: seen carpman? |
03:50:23 | TheMasterMind1 | "This space is unintentionally left filled" |
03:51:43 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: oh, never mind.. I forgot the tar file had a subdirectory in it |
03:51:50 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
03:51:51 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
03:56:42 | Onyx4 | ok I added the oipkg issues to bug #185 |
03:56:49 | Onyx4 | since this was pretty much the same thing |
03:56:55 | Onyx4 | he just didn't have enough info in it |
03:57:18 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
03:57:22 | TheMasterMind1 | good job |
03:58:00 | Onyx4 | feel free to add whatever I missed |
03:58:30 | TheMasterMind1 | think thats about it |
03:59:11 | Onyx4 | ok so I might just need now to file one for kembeddedkonsole? |
03:59:18 | Onyx4 | for loading .profile |
03:59:21 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
03:59:23 | TheMasterMind1 | that would be good |
04:01:02 | | Is something VIOLENT going to happen to a GARBAGE CAN? |
04:01:02 | scanline | ibot: yow |
04:01:43 | TheMasterMind1 | i like the new launcher |
04:01:52 | TheMasterMind1 | i can enable disable stuff on the taskbar |
04:02:10 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
04:02:12 | TheMasterMind1 | here's another bug |
04:02:15 | Onyx4 | yes it's very nice |
04:02:21 | TheMasterMind1 | in launcher, there's a "Disable O menu" |
04:02:31 | TheMasterMind1 | you select it and it doesn't go away |
04:02:32 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
04:04:44 | Onyx4 | what's this show 0-menu for? |
04:05:07 | TheMasterMind1 | the little o menu |
04:05:13 | TheMasterMind1 | left hand lower corner |
04:05:14 | TheMasterMind1 | the menu |
04:05:22 | TheMasterMind1 | you're supposed to be able to unshow it |
04:05:25 | TheMasterMind1 | like you can the applets |
04:05:57 | Onyx4 | that's probably a work-in-progress thing |
04:06:03 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
04:06:04 | TheMasterMind1 | tistrue |
04:06:06 | Onyx4 | I'd like us to focus on bugs more than features :) |
04:06:56 | VerxHome | ok |
04:06:57 | VerxHome | just fyi |
04:07:08 | VerxHome | there ARE stability issues with this new initrd |
04:07:31 | TheMasterMind1 | like what |
04:07:41 | TheMasterMind1 | they're much less than before though right? |
04:07:47 | VerxHome | It may be related to my SD, but I don't know for sure |
04:07:52 | VerxHome | no, this is much worse than before |
04:07:56 | VerxHome | what happens is this |
04:08:02 | VerxHome | everything works for some period of time |
04:08:04 | VerxHome | and then blam |
04:08:12 | VerxHome | I get blocked on anything dealing with the SD |
04:08:17 | VerxHome | if I do an ls |
04:08:21 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, when and where is it happening |
04:08:23 | TheMasterMind1 | and what is happening |
04:08:23 | VerxHome | it blocks if it is of the SD |
04:08:33 | VerxHome | or if I try to vi a file on the SD |
04:08:42 | TheMasterMind1 | huh? |
04:08:45 | TheMasterMind1 | "blocks" ? |
04:08:49 | Onyx4 | ok this doesn't sound related to opie/qt, SD related |
04:08:51 | Onyx4 | it hangs |
04:08:51 | VerxHome | I haven't figured out what causes it to block |
04:08:54 | Onyx4 | right? |
04:08:56 | VerxHome | right |
04:09:01 | Onyx4 | like if the driver hung or card got taken out |
04:09:09 | Onyx4 | enable syslog |
04:09:15 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: how do I make one package depend on another being isntalled tot he staging directory? |
04:09:19 | Onyx4 | remove -C from /etc/init.d/syslog |
04:09:23 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: you don't |
04:09:25 | Onyx4 | it'll log to /var/log/messages |
04:09:28 | VerxHome | actually |
04:09:30 | VerxHome | this last one |
04:09:32 | VerxHome | I just realized |
04:09:38 | VerxHome | was me trying to deal with flash memory |
04:09:40 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: you just have it depend on the other, and the other makes sure it installs to staging |
04:09:51 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: ok, then it's not working... |
04:09:54 | VerxHome | scratch that - it was SD |
04:09:59 | VerxHome | was a symlinked file |
04:10:04 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm confused as to what's going on |
04:10:09 | TheMasterMind1 | ext2? |
04:10:21 | Onyx4 | im gonna watch a movie , bbl |
04:10:24 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
04:10:36 | VerxHome | yes |
04:10:46 | VerxHome | themastermind: Let's say I have an SSH open |
04:10:48 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
04:10:53 | VerxHome | I can do everything fine for maybe 20 minutes |
04:10:55 | VerxHome | or even 45 |
04:10:58 | VerxHome | then all of a sudden |
04:11:00 | VerxHome | I do something like |
04:11:04 | VerxHome | ls /mnt/card/blorg |
04:11:09 | VerxHome | and it doesn't return the prompt |
04:11:11 | VerxHome | AND |
04:11:15 | VerxHome | a ctrl-c doesn't help |
04:11:15 | VerxHome | AND |
04:11:19 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: in my makefile for the pg-apps package I have "Depends = pg-cli-c pg-themes" but it's not compiling those first |
04:11:20 | VerxHome | I cannot kill -9 the ls |
04:11:40 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: depends are handled by config.in.. depends in Makefile are used only for the ipks |
04:11:46 | scanline | oh |
04:11:47 | scanline | ok |
04:11:49 | TheMasterMind1 | that's what the ipks control file has |
04:11:50 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
04:11:57 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
04:12:02 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme see if i can reproduce |
04:13:05 | TheMasterMind1 | i think it happened |
04:13:12 | TheMasterMind1 | i was looking at a file on sd |
04:13:14 | TheMasterMind1 | then closed vim |
04:14:14 | TheMasterMind1 | 2496 root 1324 S /sbin/sdmgr |
04:14:14 | TheMasterMind1 | 3123 root 1324 S /sbin/sdmgr |
04:14:15 | TheMasterMind1 | why two? |
04:18:21 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
04:18:24 | TheMasterMind1 | its working fine it seems |
04:22:37 | VerxHome | hrm |
04:22:44 | VerxHome | what konq should I install? |
04:23:02 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
04:23:07 | TheMasterMind1 | we really need a oz konq/e |
04:23:11 | TheMasterMind1 | need to add it to the buildroot |
04:23:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll do that eventually |
04:24:08 | VerxHome | I am gonna install the one out of unstable |
04:24:52 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
04:25:22 | VerxHome | bleh |
04:25:27 | VerxHome | oipkg won't install it |
04:29:17 | scanline | starts a clean build of OZ, since his dependencies are being really wacky |
04:35:58 | scanline | wonders if they'll ever fix the off-by-one bug in scap |
04:51:56 | noda | Ooh ooh! Error in build process, "ifupdown" |
04:52:01 | noda | cd /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/ifupdown-0.6.4; chmod a+rx defn2c.pl defn2man.pl makecdep.sh makenwdep.sh; |
04:52:14 | noda | bin/sh: cd: /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/ifupdown-0.6.4: No such file or directory |
04:53:09 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
04:53:11 | TheMasterMind1 | weird |
04:53:13 | TheMasterMind1 | clean it and try again |
04:53:20 | TheMasterMind1 | make SUBDIRS=packages/ifupdown clean |
04:53:23 | TheMasterMind1 | make packages/ifupdown |
04:53:42 | TheMasterMind1 | need sleep |
04:53:43 | noda | Same thing. |
04:53:43 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
04:53:47 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: sleeeeeeeeeeep. |
04:53:56 | noda | Heh, later. I'll figure it out tomorrow. |
04:53:57 | noda | Thanks. |
05:07:38 | scanline | what the... the dependencies on my openzaurus are all messed up |
05:07:41 | scanline | grr... |
05:10:18 | Xentac | is away: sleeping |
05:25:07 | scanline | kergoth: you here? |
05:25:31 | scanline | hates build systems |
05:48:52 | kergoth | hey |
05:48:54 | kergoth | whats up |
05:48:59 | kergoth | just got back from a friends place |
05:49:11 | kergoth | dependencies in the oz buildroot are manual, and hackish until i finish the dependency generation |
05:49:33 | scanline | kergoth: ah, ok. TheMasterMind1 implied that it should just work :) |
05:49:40 | scanline | how do I set the dependencies up manually? |
05:49:54 | kergoth | scanline: edit packages/Makefile and cringe |
05:49:57 | kergoth | scanline: :) |
05:50:32 | scanline | hmm... so I could add the stamp file from another package to the package makefile? |
05:50:55 | scanline | specifically I need my libpng -> zlib and pg-apps -> pg-themes dependencies to work :) |
05:51:15 | kergoth | scanline: right now you cant cross-depend on stamps due to the fact that we're using recursive makes |
05:51:22 | kergoth | scanline: and things get all wacky |
05:51:24 | scanline | k |
05:51:29 | kergoth | scanline: so do something in packages/Makefile |
05:51:33 | scanline | ok |
05:51:41 | kergoth | packages/pgblah : packages/libpng3 |
05:51:43 | kergoth | that sort of deal |
05:51:54 | scanline | ah, ok |
05:51:57 | kergoth | follow the pattern. I'll be revamping this aspect of the buildroot this week. |
05:51:57 | scanline | I didn't even notice this file |
05:51:59 | kergoth | two tasks |
05:52:07 | kergoth | 1) depends generation 2) no more recursion |
05:52:19 | kergoth | that should eliminate the last of the headaches |
05:52:32 | scanline | ok |
05:52:49 | kergoth | man |
05:52:52 | kergoth | my night |
05:52:53 | scanline | almost got this all working... thanks |
05:52:54 | kergoth | was so fucking boring |
05:52:56 | kergoth | np |
05:53:18 | scanline | what were you doing? (not doing?) |
05:54:50 | kergoth | sitting on my ass with friends |
05:54:54 | kergoth | trying to think of something worth doing |
05:54:57 | kergoth | and failing miserably |
05:55:01 | scanline | haha. I did that last week... it sucked |
05:55:19 | kergoth | there really isnt a damn thing to do |
05:55:21 | kergoth | seriously |
05:55:23 | kergoth | i mena |
05:55:32 | scanline | My friends from high school and I would always find something to do, but the people around here are a lot more boring usually |
05:55:43 | kergoth | there's gambling, partying at a bar or club, movie, pool, bowling |
05:55:50 | kergoth | not much else |
05:55:53 | kergoth | maybe minnesota just sucks |
05:55:56 | kergoth | :) |
05:56:02 | scanline | hehe.. there's always Starcraft :) |
05:56:11 | kergoth | bah |
05:56:16 | kergoth | I'm sick of sitting around |
05:56:17 | umopapisdn | hey ho! |
05:56:18 | kergoth | you know? |
05:56:20 | kergoth | hey umopapisdn |
05:56:22 | kergoth | how goes it |
05:56:28 | kergoth | you see aqpkg made it into opie? |
05:56:31 | kergoth | need to play with that |
05:56:35 | umopapisdn | kergoth: Just woke up. :) |
05:56:38 | scanline | pool is fun.. but I guess I haven't played enough recently to get bored of it |
05:56:41 | kergoth | hah |
05:56:44 | umopapisdn | kergoth: what's aqpkg? |
05:56:49 | kergoth | umopapisdn: new package manager |
05:56:53 | umopapisdn | ahhh |
05:56:55 | kergoth | umopapisdn: alternative to qipkg |
05:56:57 | kergoth | er |
05:56:59 | kergoth | oipkg |
05:57:07 | kergoth | its easier to use, from what i hear |
05:57:11 | kergoth | but less powerful |
05:57:29 | umopapisdn | kergoth: Will have a loot at that then. hey, my build always freezes in the middle of cvs update for busybox, what could that be? |
05:57:41 | kergoth | umopapisdn: thatd be a problem with busybox cvs, i'd say |
05:57:51 | kergoth | umopapisdn: i've heard that reported numerous times, not just in oz build |
05:58:26 | umopapisdn | kergoth: Onyx4 said he had problems with that too, but he didn't remember what he did to fix it. :) |
05:58:45 | scanline | yay, it's compiling cli_c before apps finally |
05:59:14 | umopapisdn | kergoth: have you released any initrd.bin yet or? |
05:59:32 | kergoth | umopapisdn: nope. onyx4 and TheMasterMind1 threw a initrd.bin up on openzaurus.sf.net/unofficial though |
05:59:53 | kergoth | umopapisdn: I want to do further testing, and get the groups and permissions finished up before releasing an official testing initrd |
06:00:02 | umopapisdn | kergoth: yeah, that was probably the one i tested. |
06:00:38 | umopapisdn | kergoth: I managed to get a full build finally though. but busybox didn't work properly. so that's the only problem i have left. :) |
06:00:49 | kergoth | most likely. I'm going to do 3 major alterations to the oz build, and about 8 changes to oz itself to improve things, then I'm taking a break from this project for a whlie |
06:01:05 | kergoth | need some time to chill and focus on some other priorities |
06:01:08 | kergoth | like keeping my damn job |
06:01:26 | umopapisdn | kergoth: can imagine. you certainly deserve it. :) |
06:02:02 | kergoth | bah, creating a distribution isnt as hard as you'd expect. Theres very little coding involved, its just taking other projects and creating something cohesive out of them |
06:02:26 | scanline | kergoth: you seem to be less build-system-impaired than most though :) |
06:02:44 | umopapisdn | kergoth: yeah right... just look at the problems I had just compiling it... |
06:02:47 | umopapisdn | hahah yeah |
06:03:34 | kergoth | scanline: only out of necessity, and not by choice :) |
06:03:41 | scanline | :) |
06:04:11 | kergoth | hm |
06:04:15 | kergoth | i'm feeling philosophical tonight for some reason |
06:04:17 | kergoth | ponders |
06:05:24 | umopapisdn | notices believes that kergoth is too tired too ponder... :) |
06:05:36 | umopapisdn | eh... where did that "notices" come from... |
06:05:41 | kergoth | umopapisdn notices believes? and *i'm* the tired one? |
06:05:43 | kergoth | hehe |
06:05:49 | umopapisdn | :) |
06:05:51 | scanline | blame it on voodoo tab completion |
06:05:58 | umopapisdn | scanline: hehe. yep! |
06:06:00 | kergoth | scanline: thats always convenient |
06:06:39 | scanline | damn this code is buggy... |
06:06:41 | scanline | sighs |
06:06:45 | umopapisdn | scanline: what code? |
06:06:46 | kergoth | what code? |
06:06:49 | kergoth | heh |
06:06:50 | scanline | pgserver |
06:06:55 | umopapisdn | what's that? |
06:07:03 | scanline | server side of picogui |
06:10:20 | Onyx4 | ibot: message for noda: the problem you have is with your gzip version, upgrade to 1.3.2 then you will be able to build ifupdown, known problem |
06:10:43 | scanline | oh well... at least it can display 1280x1024 images fine :) |
06:10:44 | kergoth | hey Onyx4 |
06:11:27 | Onyx4 | hey im about to head to bed |
06:11:41 | kergoth | me too, when i'm done pondering |
06:12:04 | Onyx4 | VerxHome reported some weird problem where SD card would hang after like 20 min of using it |
06:12:13 | Onyx4 | so keep that in mind see if it's unique or what |
06:12:29 | kergoth | odd, considering we use the same module and daemon as sharp. |
06:12:44 | kergoth | Onyx4: I'm thinking I'll add a 'Caveats' page on openzaurus.org when its up |
06:13:09 | kergoth | Onyx4: containing known outstanding caveats with the system, workarounds necessary in varying circumstance,s, and the like |
06:13:11 | Onyx4 | ok |
06:13:31 | Onyx4 | I think he mentionned something about two sdmgr running but I didn't get more details |
06:13:37 | kergoth | alright. |
06:13:46 | Onyx4 | well night |
06:13:49 | kergoth | note to self: find a bug tracking system other than sf, hopefully that doesnt suck |
06:13:52 | kergoth | Onyx4: night |
06:14:01 | umopapisdn | Onyx4`zzz: night |
06:15:13 | umopapisdn | kergoth: did anyone mention to you that backspace wasn't working in vi? Onyx4 said it might have something to do with your cleanup of the term stuff. ? |
06:15:41 | kergoth | no one has mentioned it. |
06:15:43 | kergoth | the default termtype is linux |
06:15:48 | kergoth | which is an included terminfo entry |
06:16:06 | kergoth | but i'll look into it |
06:16:47 | kergoth | hmm |
06:17:08 | umopapisdn | kergoth: just checked the 2.9.5.5 version... didn't work there either. :) |
06:17:17 | kergoth | k |
06:17:22 | scanline | maybe I just feel pessimistic because of the number of bugs I filed today.. if I don't report the bugs they don't exist, right! |
06:17:34 | kergoth | hah |
06:18:29 | umopapisdn | kergoth: regarding bugreporting system. everybody seems to be using mantis these days, maybe try that one. |
06:19:05 | kergoth | umopapisdn: i've used it, too bad the UI sucks. i swear these web based system designers need to take a UI course or something |
06:19:13 | umopapisdn | hehehe |
06:20:09 | umopapisdn | scanline: what are you trying to do with picogui? |
06:20:46 | scanline | umopapisdn: update the build for the new OZ, and fix bugs |
06:22:26 | umopapisdn | kergoth: another thing i noticed but that has to do with Opie, but might be good to know, fastload doesn't work. |
06:22:28 | scanline | umopapisdn: I took a bunch of screencap's today :) |
06:22:40 | scanline | err.. ditch that apostrophe |
06:22:41 | kergoth | umopapisdn: yeah, i noticed. its definately broken |
06:22:45 | kergoth | umopapisdn: something in opie |
06:22:55 | umopapisdn | scanline: oh, so it's working nicely? |
06:22:55 | kergoth | umopapisdn: its been reported in opie's bug tracker. just wait & see |
06:23:09 | scanline | umopapisdn: it's working, still has too many bugs to be working nicely :) |
06:23:13 | umopapisdn | hehe |
06:24:11 | umopapisdn | scanline: Are you doing the port of picogui or are you the maindeveloper of it? |
06:24:22 | scanline | I'm the main developer |
06:24:31 | kergoth | scanline ~= picogui |
06:24:33 | kergoth | :) |
06:24:36 | kergoth | man |
06:24:41 | kergoth | i need to do something |
06:24:43 | kergoth | but |
06:24:45 | kergoth | i have no idea what |
06:24:50 | scanline | kergoth: miniature golf! |
06:24:56 | umopapisdn | hahaha |
06:24:57 | kergoth | hm, i dont think i can do that at 2am |
06:25:03 | kergoth | thanks for the suggestion though |
06:25:08 | kergoth | thats definately not what i need to do |
06:25:11 | umopapisdn | kergoth: just do yourself a smoothie then. :) |
06:25:13 | kergoth | :) |
06:25:15 | scanline | hehe |
06:25:34 | scanline | PicoBot: make kergoth a long island ice tea |
06:25:34 | PicoBot | scanline: excuse me? |
06:25:39 | kergoth | notes he needs 1) a life, 2) a woman, 3) motivation |
06:25:53 | kergoth | notes that the three are most definately heavily inderdependant |
06:26:04 | scanline | kergoth: a life.. you can get those at Wal-Mart, right? |
06:26:12 | kergoth | scanline: yeah, on sale! |
06:26:18 | scanline | blue light special! |
06:26:22 | kergoth | ohh yeah |
06:26:26 | kergoth | those lives suck though |
06:26:38 | scanline | they come in a box, and you can eat them for breakfast! |
06:26:39 | kergoth | mine already does |
06:26:43 | kergoth | i dont need *another* sucky life |
06:26:44 | umopapisdn | ponders.... and comes to the conclusion that 1 of the 3 often leads to the other 2... |
06:26:59 | scanline | kergoth: maybe you need a new job |
06:27:08 | scanline | kergoth: it sounds like the one you have sucks pretty bad |
06:27:11 | kergoth | umopapisdn: indeed. |
06:27:19 | umopapisdn | kergoth: man, you sound depressed! :) |
06:27:21 | kergoth | notes he could describe his life goals in a makefile |
06:27:23 | kergoth | dies |
06:27:25 | kergoth | lmao |
06:27:34 | scanline | haha |
06:27:36 | kergoth | life : motivation |
06:27:39 | umopapisdn | hehe |
06:27:42 | kergoth | woman : motivation |
06:28:00 | scanline | make: *** No rule to make target `motivation'. Stop. |
06:28:05 | kergoth | exactly!@#% |
06:28:12 | kergoth | i was going to do that |
06:28:13 | umopapisdn | REALLY thinks kergoth need a life! |
06:28:14 | kergoth | thanks |
06:28:15 | umopapisdn | hehe |
06:28:16 | kergoth | hehe |
06:28:28 | scanline | make: *** No rule to make target `cheese_sandwiches'. Stop. |
06:28:34 | umopapisdn | hewheh |
06:28:44 | kergoth | ./configure --prefix=/usr --host=me --build=me --enable-motivation && make; |
06:28:46 | kergoth | ! |
06:28:51 | scanline | unix is good for so much |
06:29:09 | scanline | you can even use it to make a life! you just need the right Makefile... |
06:29:29 | kergoth | damn that elusive motivation target |
06:29:39 | scanline | kergoth: if you run on GNU autotools that might explain your lack of motivation ;) |
06:29:43 | kergoth | scanline: haha |
06:29:46 | kergoth | no shit |
06:30:23 | kergoth | cat .config | sed -e 's,# CONFIG_MOTIVATION is not set,CONFIG_MOTIVATION=y,' > newconf; mv newconf .config; make oldconfig; make -j4 kergoth; |
06:30:25 | kergoth | muahah |
06:30:44 | umopapisdn | thinks kergoth really is an ibot... |
06:30:55 | scanline | PicoBot: emulate kergoth |
06:30:56 | PicoBot | scanline: excuse me? |
06:31:08 | scanline | doh.. we have picobot emulation plugins for most people |
06:31:12 | scanline | PicoBot: emulate file |
06:31:12 | PicoBot | scanline: huh? |
06:31:18 | scanline | I guess file deleted that one... |
06:31:21 | scanline | PicoBot: emulate scanline |
06:31:21 | PicoBot | drinks pepsi and writes weird code or grows a beard |
06:31:28 | scanline | I guess that works |
06:31:28 | umopapisdn | haha |
06:31:46 | kergoth | PicoBot: emulate kergoth is <action> mutters about buildsystems and tells random people to rtfm. |
06:31:46 | PicoBot | OK, kergoth. |
06:31:51 | kergoth | PicoBot: emulate kergoth |
06:31:51 | PicoBot | mutters about buildsystems and tells random people to rtfm. |
06:31:52 | scanline | hehe |
06:31:59 | kergoth | there we go |
06:32:15 | scanline | PicoBot: emulate file is <action> complains about random stuff and tells people to listen to his radio station |
06:32:15 | PicoBot | OK, scanline. |
06:32:59 | umopapisdn | I'm gonna go get some breakfast, see you people around. bye! |
06:33:06 | scanline | mmm breakfast |
06:33:09 | scanline | PicoBot: make breakfast |
06:33:10 | PicoBot | scanline: excuse me? |
06:33:26 | scanline | PicoBot: make breakfast is <reply> make: *** No rule to make target `breakfast'. Stop. |
06:33:26 | PicoBot | OK, scanline. |
06:33:35 | scanline | PicoBot: make breakfast |
06:33:36 | PicoBot | make: *** No rule to make target `breakfast'. Stop. |
06:33:53 | kergoth | PicoBot make kergoth is <reply> Well, to make kergoth, first you need to run make menuconfig, select kergoth. enable CONFIG_BUILDSYSTEMHELL, CONFIG_KERNELNEWBIE, CONFIG_RTFM, save and exit, run make dep; make -j2; and you have a kergoth! |
06:33:53 | PicoBot | OK, kergoth. |
06:34:03 | kergoth | is bored |
06:34:30 | scanline | kergoth: play Super Mario 3 |
06:34:45 | kergoth | I think I'll ponder the nature of life, the universe, and everything, thanks |
06:36:12 | kergoth | PicoBot: make universe is <reply> make: *** universe: No such file or directory. Stop. |
06:36:12 | PicoBot | OK, kergoth. |
06:38:04 | kergoth | PicoBot: make universe |
06:38:04 | PicoBot | make: *** universe: No such file or directory. Stop. |
06:38:28 | scanline | make -j universe |
06:39:38 | kergoth | hmm |
06:39:42 | kergoth | randomly quotes office space |
06:39:49 | kergoth | "Well you see Bob, its a problem of motivation." |
06:40:11 | scanline | "In any given week, I'd say I only do about 15 minutes of real, actual, work." |
06:40:30 | kergoth | hehe |
06:41:18 | kergoth | I should call my boss lumburg |
06:41:23 | kergoth | and see if he knows wtf i'm talkinga bout |
06:41:41 | scanline | hehe |
06:42:12 | kergoth | mmmm yeahhhhh |
06:42:14 | kergoth | heheh |
06:42:24 | scanline | :) |
06:43:45 | scanline | oh yeah... "bk mv" is heaven after being used to cvs |
06:49:17 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.12075.png <-- picogui starts correctly now.. except pgl and tpcal are still slightly fucked up |
07:22:42 | hardwire | wondes how much memory is being wasted on the launchers different background settings |
07:24:09 | scanline | wonders how much memory is being wasted in general |
07:25:08 | hardwire | wonders if anybody else could smell that fart |
07:25:21 | scanline | I sure hope not |
07:26:34 | hardwire | anyhoot |
07:26:37 | hardwire | is tired |
07:26:41 | hardwire | had a few drinks |
07:26:43 | hardwire | and doesn't wanna stay up and play pattycake with anybody |
07:27:31 | hardwire | so g'night |
07:27:37 | scanline | bye |
07:28:12 | hardwire | wonders if he has a flash colon |
07:28:22 | scanline | : |
07:28:22 | scanline | |
07:28:23 | scanline | : |
07:28:24 | scanline | |
07:28:25 | scanline | : |
07:28:26 | scanline | |
07:28:35 | hardwire | heh |
07:28:40 | hardwire | colon flasher |
10:15:53 | | i guess xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set my path to /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/arm and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) |
10:15:53 | Ibz | ibot xcompile |
10:16:57 | Ibz | path /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/arm doesn't exist, i assume this should be set to /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/arm-linux? |
10:33:07 | sambatron | hey, anybody there ? |
10:34:07 | scanline | no |
10:34:15 | scanline | the channel's empty |
10:34:19 | sambatron | cool |
10:34:21 | scanline | there goes a tumbleweed! |
10:34:23 | scanline | :) |
10:35:06 | sambatron | I just flashed oz and now my Z halts after fschecking mtdblock6 |
10:35:17 | sambatron | is it a know problem ? |
10:35:19 | scanline | which initrd did you use? |
10:35:31 | sambatron | I just compiled |
10:35:39 | scanline | from bitkeeper or CVS? |
10:35:39 | sambatron | bk pull; make |
10:35:42 | scanline | k |
10:35:51 | scanline | did you try pressing enter on the zaurus? |
10:36:01 | sambatron | no :) |
10:36:21 | sambatron | :) |
10:36:26 | sambatron | great, why was that ? |
10:36:33 | scanline | I'm not sure why either, but I had the same problem |
10:36:42 | scanline | I'm still not used to the new build system |
10:37:10 | sambatron | I'm just trying to get something stable to stick to it |
10:37:19 | sambatron | but I'm unable... :I |
10:37:24 | scanline | the current bk tree isn't stable |
10:37:30 | sambatron | I know... |
10:38:26 | sambatron | but seems that the real _current_ (right now) is much more stable than the one from yesterday :) |
10:38:48 | scanline | dunno.. I haven't used Opie on here much |
10:39:06 | scanline | but from what I saw, they made a lot of neat improvements |
10:39:38 | sambatron | yes, it's pretty much better. They're working hard |
10:39:47 | sambatron | cool, now usb works |
10:40:01 | sambatron | damn, ssh is closed again |
10:40:19 | scanline | ssh works for me... |
10:40:33 | scanline | Opie didn't set the network up right, but when I set it up from the command line it worked fine |
10:40:46 | sambatron | I mean, I can ping it |
10:40:54 | scanline | run sshd |
10:41:04 | sambatron | but ssh is refused, from init.d ? |
10:41:11 | scanline | ? |
10:41:27 | sambatron | /etc/init.d/ssh start ? |
10:41:42 | scanline | try just running "sshd" |
10:42:17 | sambatron | missing var |
10:42:33 | scanline | create it |
10:42:38 | scanline | IIRC that's a known problem |
10:43:00 | sambatron | yes, it happened in previous, but tar segfaulted when untarring it |
10:43:20 | scanline | I'm not really in the loop with the recent changes to OZ, I just hang out here to bug kergoth when I need help making PicoGUI work with OZ :) |
10:43:43 | hunger | scanline: Don't we all hang out here to bug kergoth? ;-) |
10:43:47 | scanline | :) |
10:44:26 | sambatron | that's the problem, it halts at tar |
10:44:36 | sambatron | that's when you need to press enter |
10:45:58 | sambatron | I'm trying to rebuild busybox... I don't know how to solve this |
10:54:00 | sambatron | Ok, I think I've got the problem |
10:54:22 | sambatron | the shell does not "get" the second parameter of the command line |
10:54:35 | sambatron | "get" or "read" or "whatever" |
10:55:35 | sambatron | if I make "mkdir -p /var/empty" says it cannot create '' |
10:55:49 | sambatron | if I make "mkdir /var/empty" works |
10:56:10 | sambatron | tar halts because it doesn't get the second parameter... |
10:56:48 | sambatron | question: what is busybox's "bash" ? |
10:57:02 | sambatron | I mean the equivalent to bash in busybox |
11:07:57 | Wembly | there finally got tc working :/ |
11:09:57 | scanline | tc? |
11:10:25 | Wembly | traffic control |
11:10:28 | Wembly | aka qos stuffs |
11:10:34 | scanline | ah |
11:10:42 | scanline | in ipv4 or ipv6? |
11:10:48 | Wembly | ipv4 |
11:10:58 | Wembly | now things can takeup my entire bandwidth when im not playing a game or something :) |
11:11:03 | Wembly | i hope hehe |
11:13:13 | Wembly | this is pritty cool |
11:13:30 | Wembly | someones downloading a file from me and im playing a fps with a decent ping :) |
11:15:30 | Wembly | holy shit |
11:15:36 | Wembly | ouch |
11:16:22 | Wembly | with tc on i get roughtly 120ping (roughtly avr) to the game server. with tc off i get above 1000 (turned it back on once it got past that) |
11:16:41 | scanline | neat |
11:29:37 | ljp | petit |
11:40:36 | sambatron | fucking busybox is buggy |
11:40:54 | sambatron | I give up |
11:42:29 | scanline | is away: ZzzZzzZzz.... |
11:55:55 | ljp | debug it |
12:05:16 | ljp | ibot message for kergoth: I just noticed the reis a non standard atd in the qtopia 1.6 snapshots, specific for the Zaurus according to the readme. Might want to check it out, and/or possibly use this. |
13:20:54 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
13:21:34 | ljp | man, I really wonder why people flash oz expecting not to hav eany problems |
13:21:52 | nadav | heh |
13:21:56 | ljp | then complain about about, and 'I'm going back to the sharp rom, till things get ironed out' |
13:22:07 | ljp | heh everythings pissing me off this weekend |
13:22:11 | nadav | haha |
13:22:21 | ljp | kicks his desk |
13:22:37 | nadav | people don't know what to expect from OZ |
13:22:57 | ljp | shoul dbe stressed 'beta.. testing software' |
13:23:15 | ljp | dont flash if your a putz |
13:23:19 | ljp | heh |
13:24:02 | ljp | they should have tried oz a few months ago |
13:24:12 | nadav | ? |
13:24:16 | ljp | hehehe |
13:24:28 | ljp | 'uh, kergoth... opie's not atarting' |
13:24:36 | ljp | starting |
13:25:03 | ljp | or 'uh, kergoth... cf isnt showing up' |
13:25:17 | nadav | lol |
13:25:29 | nadav | makes you feel sorry for kergoth, eh? |
13:25:43 | ljp | or 'uh, kergoth.. embeddedkonsole crashes' |
13:26:00 | ljp | kergoth's been through alot |
13:26:13 | nadav | i bet |
13:26:19 | ljp | its no wonder he's insane |
13:26:24 | ljp | :D |
13:26:32 | nadav | hah |
13:26:57 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
13:27:03 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoths a good guy |
13:27:13 | ljp | hehe. well... |
13:29:13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
13:29:15 | TheMasterMind1 | don't dis kergoth |
13:29:21 | ljp | :D |
13:29:24 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: you have an ipaq or zaurus..? or both? |
13:29:29 | ljp | z |
13:29:37 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
13:29:41 | ljp | send me an ipaq and I will have one ;) |
13:30:02 | ljp | actually, I have two z's.. usually one is oz, and the other is sharps |
13:30:05 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
13:31:30 | ljp | I found an altered for zaurus atd in qtopia 1.6 snapshots |
13:31:47 | ljp | you using a standard atd? |
13:37:22 | ljp | hmm |
13:42:40 | TheMasterMind1 | yes we're compiling it |
13:42:44 | TheMasterMind1 | what's different in the altered? |
13:49:41 | nadav | is /dev/hda1 a cf card? |
13:52:23 | ljp | from the readme: This is Russ Nelson's lighhtweight At daemon, with additions for Sharp (just enabling the RTC wakeup in the APM BIOS). |
13:54:50 | TheMasterMind1 | aha |
13:55:30 | TheMasterMind1 | it'd be great if there was a patch for it |
13:55:36 | TheMasterMind1 | nadav: yes |
13:56:11 | nadav | okay |
14:08:37 | noda | Anyone else have compiling problems at ifupdown? |
14:11:49 | noda | ibot is great! |
14:17:58 | noda | lol, anyone have problems compiling ipkg? |
14:18:11 | noda | touch: creating `/mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/ipktemp/ipkg-20020929-1/CONTROL/control': No such file or directory |
14:22:02 | TMM1[Z] | hmm |
14:22:09 | TMM1[Z] | never had that |
14:22:21 | noda | Be back, on phone |
14:25:00 | TMM1[Z] | grr |
14:25:13 | TMM1[Z] | chnaging settings wipes text |
14:25:46 | | i think wifi is see wireless or get either a wcf12 linksys for $62 shipped from buy.com (nice small card, well supported, but not too great on battery) or the socket low power wlan for 160 something plus shipping also on buy.com (great battery usage, needs special drivers) |
14:25:46 | TMM1[Z] | ibot wifi |
14:30:26 | noda | Hrm. Just tried a make again and it seemed to work. |
14:30:35 | TMM1[Z] | how can i get konsole to load up my profile |
14:31:00 | TMM1[Z] | sh /etc/profile doesnt bring variables into scope |
14:31:13 | TMM1[Z] | and there's no source |
14:34:07 | noda | Next error! |
14:34:22 | noda | For inetd: Makefile:3: ../MCONFIG: No such file or directory |
14:34:26 | noda | Do I just not compile inetd? |
14:36:26 | noda | Bah, I'll just skip it |
14:37:59 | TMM1[Z] | hey ljp |
14:41:11 | ljp | hmm? |
14:42:19 | noda | Hey, why can't wget download qt-embedded... |
14:42:27 | noda | (in the buildroot) 'invalid PORT... retrying' |
14:43:20 | TMM1[Z] | ljp whats up with scrolling... in advancedfm you select a file at bottom of list and the wholw thing scrolls up |
14:43:58 | TMM1[Z] | same type of thing in opieirc..its scrolling up when there a bunch of text..scrolls up to the top |
14:45:17 | TMM1[Z] | grrr.. |
14:45:40 | TMM1[Z] | writes his own package manager from scratch |
14:45:50 | TMM1[Z] | no dependencies on ipkg |
14:45:57 | TMM1[Z] | ill write it in php |
14:46:37 | TMM1[Z] | hmm..whenever i type something in here the window scrolls to the top then comes back to the bottom |
14:46:45 | TMM1[Z] | very annoying |
14:54:48 | TMM1[Z] | kergoth? |
14:55:06 | TMM1[Z] | opie needs to "Provides" qpe-base |
14:55:32 | noda | Hrm, qte needs to be downloaded with --passive-ftp or it won't work... |
14:55:51 | TMM1[Z] | wtf why? |
14:56:19 | TMM1[Z] | must be your firewall |
14:57:24 | ljp_opieirc | foo |
14:57:30 | ljp_opieirc | man |
14:57:33 | ljp_opieirc | choo |
14:57:35 | ljp_opieirc | do |
14:57:42 | ljp_opieirc | que |
14:57:45 | ljp_opieirc | boo |
14:57:55 | ljp_opieirc | chew |
14:58:05 | ljp_opieirc | brew |
14:58:08 | noda | TMM1[Z]: No, it's trolltech's ftp server. |
14:58:15 | noda | TMM1[Z]: Just try with the command-line FTP client :) |
14:58:19 | ljp_opieirc | foobar |
14:58:54 | ljp_opieirc | hmm |
14:58:57 | ljp_opieirc | oh |
14:59:00 | ljp_opieirc | heh hmm |
14:59:23 | noda | If I just download it into buildroot-oz/sources, should it work? |
14:59:27 | ljp_opieirc | every good boy does fine |
14:59:31 | ljp_opieirc | hmm weird |
14:59:42 | ljp_opieirc | sometimes it does that, and others it doesn't |
14:59:50 | ljp_opieirc | scooby doo |
15:00:27 | noda | peers at ljp_opieirc |
15:00:41 | TMM1[Z] | noo |
15:01:29 | TMM1[Z] | yeaz |
15:01:30 | ljp_opieirc | yes |
15:01:37 | TMM1[Z] | its very wierd |
15:01:39 | ljp_opieirc | foo man choo |
15:01:50 | ljp_opieirc | space oddity |
15:01:56 | TMM1[Z] | i think multiline causes it more |
15:02:16 | TMM1[Z] | skakskskkakkskskskskskkskskskskksskksksksksks |
15:02:29 | TMM1[Z] | :/ |
15:02:34 | ljp_opieirc | doesnt seem to always do it |
15:02:50 | ljp_opieirc | maybe when there's a very large line that needs to be wrapped |
15:02:54 | ljp_opieirc | yes |
15:02:56 | ljp_opieirc | no |
15:03:14 | ljp_opieirc | picobot: yo momma |
15:03:15 | PicoBot | ljp_opieirc: huh? |
15:04:51 | ljp_opieirc | uh huh |
15:04:54 | ljp_opieirc | odd |
15:05:43 | TMM1[Z] | well |
15:05:53 | TMM1[Z] | its not even wrapping lines |
15:06:02 | TMM1[Z] | hmm |
15:06:07 | TMM1[Z] | some of them |
15:06:20 | TMM1[Z] | it doesnt breakup long words |
15:06:23 | TMM1[Z] | or urls |
15:06:42 | TMM1[Z] | argh!! |
15:07:03 | TMM1[Z] | i type in #zaurus and it closes the channel |
15:07:36 | ljp_opieirc | http://llornkcor.com/this/is/a/nonexistant/ulr/so/do/not/try/it.php |
15:07:51 | noda | can't resist trying it. |
15:08:05 | ljp_opieirc | hehe |
15:08:51 | ljp_opieirc | hey |
15:09:14 | ljp_opieirc | ooooo |
15:09:26 | ljp_opieirc | try the litte '>' at the bottom |
15:09:57 | ljp | no |
15:12:51 | noda | OUCH! /usr/local is 3.5G on my computer... |
15:14:22 | ljp | where's that oz feed? |
15:15:54 | TheMasterMind1 | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ |
15:16:18 | noda | What's the difference between that and the regular feed? |
15:16:36 | TheMasterMind1 | its all optimized and has the latest stuff |
15:16:54 | noda | Yeah, I mean what's the latest stuff? :) |
15:17:09 | noda | (for example) |
15:17:40 | noda | Also, is it possible to run a Zaurus emulator to see how an image will end up working? |
15:18:32 | ljp | kde should use my key shortcuts for its default, I'm tired of installing it and having to change them |
15:19:19 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
15:19:26 | TheMasterMind1 | you can use the fb thing |
15:19:38 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Will that work with all of opie? Or just individual programs? |
15:19:43 | TheMasterMind1 | opie |
15:19:47 | noda | Oh, sweet :) |
15:19:48 | TheMasterMind1 | you can compile opie for x86 |
15:19:51 | TheMasterMind1 | and run it in there |
15:19:59 | noda | Hrm, sounds like a lot of work :P |
15:20:09 | noda | I still haven't figured out how to compile for arm :P |
15:20:15 | | i heard xcompile was just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) |
15:20:15 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot xcompile |
15:20:19 | TheMasterMind1 | using that :) |
15:20:21 | noda | (compiling opie right now) |
15:20:47 | noda | Oh, I meant I'm still not done :) |
15:21:30 | noda | loves compiling. |
15:22:51 | noda | compiles Opie and a gtk2 version of mozilla. |
15:22:54 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
15:25:41 | noda | twiddles his thumbs. |
15:26:16 | noda | Anyone get THIS? ./configure: make[3]:/Makefile: No such file or directory |
15:26:37 | noda | That's on opie. I'll try a make clean and do it again... |
15:27:09 | noda | thinks his hard drives will explode any minutes now. |
15:37:22 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
15:37:23 | TheMasterMind1 | just ignore that |
15:37:24 | TheMasterMind1 | its weird |
15:37:31 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a bunch of those kind oferror?s |
15:44:30 | noda | Next problem! mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20020928/bin/uic: error while loading shared libraries: libqutil.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
15:44:30 | noda | It's right after those other ones. |
15:44:31 | noda | I don't have a libqutil.so.1... it's not on my hard drive :) |
15:51:52 | hardwire | top o da mornin! |
15:54:52 | ljp | man, that time change bug is a killer |
15:59:15 | hardwire | rawr? |
15:59:28 | ljp | huh? |
15:59:39 | hardwire | adds ntpdate |
16:00:23 | ljp | wont help |
16:00:57 | ljp | try citytime.. change time.. press ok.. freeze |
16:01:12 | hardwire | doh |
16:04:14 | ljp | and kergoth thinks he needs a real life on the weekend ;) |
16:04:46 | ljp | I had to install redhat 7.3 |
16:05:07 | ljp | cause the embedix sdk crashes on everything else |
16:06:20 | ljp | plus so I know 7.3 goofiness if that co calls to interview |
16:06:41 | ljp | I'm actually compiling things for the vercel! |
16:13:01 | hardwire | no debian then? |
16:14:05 | ljp | heh.. as soon as debian has reiserfs |
16:14:10 | hardwire | uhm |
16:14:19 | hardwire | you want debian with reiserfs |
16:14:36 | hardwire | http://segfault.bogomip.com/bf2.4.iso |
16:14:48 | ljp | hey! my vercel kernel finished! woot! |
16:15:06 | hardwire | there is the install debian with reiserfs or ext3 right off the bat and go directly into testing CD |
16:15:10 | hardwire | its a "good" thing :) |
16:21:49 | ljp | coolio.. I'm going to flash a vercel |
16:25:14 | Xentac | is back (gone 11:14:56) |
16:25:25 | hardwire | ljp: heh |
16:28:37 | ljp | _maybe_ they fixed the audio |
16:33:44 | ljp | needs a maid |
16:34:45 | hardwire | ditto |
16:35:02 | hardwire | ljp: you can't pass up this oporritunity to install debian |
16:35:02 | Xentac | ljp: a french maid... in a tight maid's uniform/costume... right? ;o) |
16:35:18 | ljp | ya |
16:35:39 | ljp | well, let me flash the vercel, and then I can dl that |
16:35:59 | hardwire | well |
16:36:03 | hardwire | ntpdate is made now |
16:36:04 | hardwire | so uh |
16:36:06 | hardwire | pushes |
16:37:40 | ljp | mmm french women |
16:37:55 | ljp | a french woman came into my shop this week |
16:38:21 | ljp | nice tights and a shirt that stopped just above the middle part |
16:38:23 | ljp | heh |
16:38:27 | hardwire | and ntpdate is up |
16:38:31 | hardwire | time to add rsync |
16:39:17 | ljp | whistles as he flashes |
16:39:27 | hardwire | quick? |
16:39:41 | ljp | I can see it now.. uhh Riker... your vercel is borked |
16:39:55 | ljp | no flashing through minicom |
16:40:47 | ljp | I thought about trying to get opie on it |
16:40:58 | ljp | then I saw all the patches they have for qtopia |
16:41:10 | hardwire | heh |
16:41:20 | ljp | they could pay me and I'd do it ;) |
16:41:28 | hardwire | wouldn't that be special |
16:41:33 | hardwire | did you get the DTC job? |
16:41:34 | ljp | whistles as he flashes |
16:41:43 | ljp | dont know yet |
16:41:46 | hardwire | :( |
16:41:58 | ljp | I'll find out this week if I am on the call list |
16:42:07 | hardwire | nice |
16:42:14 | ljp | thats one reason I installed rh7.3 |
16:42:20 | hardwire | ok.. netsystemtime and the ntpdate package work together |
16:42:23 | hardwire | thats good :) |
16:42:30 | ljp | 'oh ya, I'm familiar with rh 7.3' |
16:42:34 | hardwire | ljp: yeah.. but you can always do that some other time |
16:42:40 | hardwire | if you wanna have friends.. you have to install debian |
16:42:44 | hardwire | heh |
16:42:58 | ljp | debian stable moves too slow |
16:43:12 | ljp | whats the kernel there.. 2.2.x? |
16:44:10 | hardwire | eh |
16:44:19 | hardwire | why does that matter |
16:44:22 | hardwire | besides stable is now testing |
16:44:36 | ljp | cause if you instal ldebian stable.. you have immediately outdated software |
16:44:42 | hardwire | and the bootcd puts you right at 2.4.17-bf2.4 |
16:45:11 | hardwire | and if you really feel like not compiling the kenerl.. you can apt-get the newest ones |
16:45:15 | ljp | needs reiserfs in install |
16:45:21 | hardwire | b42.4.iso |
16:45:24 | hardwire | that does that |
16:45:35 | hardwire | its a 2.4.x install CD w/ reiserfs |
16:46:14 | ljp | still whistles as he flashes |
16:46:39 | hardwire | wants to go check the mail |
16:46:57 | ljp | goes back to bed |
16:54:28 | hardwire | sh -c ' |
16:54:28 | hardwire | MODEL=`cat /proc/hal/model` |
16:54:28 | hardwire | test -e /etc/scap.conf && USER=`cat /etc/scap.conf` |
16:54:28 | hardwire | (echo "POST /scap/capture.cgi?$MODEL+$USER HTTP/1.1" |
16:54:28 | hardwire | if [ $MODEL = 3100 ]; then |
16:54:28 | hardwire | echo "Content-length: 38400" |
16:54:30 | hardwire | else |
16:54:32 | hardwire | echo "Content-length: 153600" |
16:54:34 | hardwire | fi |
16:54:36 | hardwire | echo "Content-Type: image/gif" |
16:54:38 | hardwire | echo "Host: www.handhelds.org" |
16:54:40 | hardwire | echo "" |
16:54:42 | hardwire | cat /dev/fb0) | nc www.handhelds.org 80 |
16:54:44 | hardwire | ' |
16:54:46 | hardwire | err |
16:54:48 | hardwire | damnit |
16:54:50 | hardwire | http://handhelds.org/scap/toland.cgi?fn=port.29830.png |
16:54:52 | hardwire | hah |
16:54:56 | hardwire | there is me looking at me on my z |
16:55:43 | ljp | id that doctored? |
16:55:45 | ljp | is |
16:55:56 | hardwire | no |
16:56:09 | hardwire | mplayer http://10.21.0.4:8090/test1.avi -cache 16 |
16:56:21 | ljp | shoudl be |
16:56:21 | ljp | :D |
16:56:24 | hardwire | ffmpeg http://localhost:8090/feed1.ffm (host) |
16:56:31 | hardwire | ffserver (host) |
16:56:33 | hardwire | hehe |
16:56:35 | hardwire | punches ljp |
16:57:44 | ljp | vtun? |
16:57:46 | hardwire | now I am wathcing lock stock and two smoking barrels |
16:58:21 | hardwire | ljp vtun? |
16:58:31 | ljp | ya its in oz feed |
16:58:40 | hardwire | but was not required |
16:58:46 | hardwire | http://handhelds.org/scap/toland.cgi?fn=port.3531.png |
17:01:03 | hardwire | scp: /home/groups/o/op/openzaurus/htdocs/feeds/testing//nanoweb_1.8.2_arm.ipk: Permission denied |
17:01:07 | hardwire | shoots somebody |
17:02:22 | ljp | well.. I guess you need proper permission |
17:02:36 | hardwire | yup |
17:02:45 | hardwire | I will make kergoth do it |
17:03:01 | ljp | I grabbed |
17:03:04 | ljp | it |
17:03:05 | hardwire | what? |
17:03:43 | ljp | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/nanoweb_1.8.2_arm.ipk |
17:04:01 | hardwire | ooooh |
17:04:07 | hardwire | I shuold push my stuff there! |
17:05:06 | hardwire | I was trying to push |
17:06:23 | Onyx4`zzz | hey |
17:06:31 | Onyx4`zzz | we use busybox 0.61pre right? |
17:06:50 | hardwire | whatever CVS is :) |
17:07:37 | hardwire | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ |
17:07:46 | hardwire | now has ntp and some very updated ipks |
17:07:54 | hardwire | I should put dates on the ipks for revisions |
17:08:01 | hardwire | for like php and shit |
17:08:24 | ljp | ya |
17:08:29 | Onyx4`zzz | ok let us know when you're working on stuff |
17:08:35 | Onyx4`zzz | mark them as "in progress" in the TODO file |
17:08:40 | hardwire | me? |
17:08:41 | Onyx4`zzz | cause I was gonna port ntpdate |
17:08:53 | hardwire | well.. its did and done |
17:09:02 | Onyx4 | k mark it then as done |
17:09:05 | hardwire | -:- Onyx4`zzz is now known as Onyx4 |
17:09:09 | hardwire | you were asleep |
17:09:13 | Onyx4 | yeah |
17:09:15 | Onyx4 | just woke up |
17:09:22 | hardwire | hard to let you know |
17:09:30 | ljp | anyone else see issues with advancedfm's view menu and sd? |
17:10:23 | Onyx4 | hardwire: you tested ntpdate with "netsystemtime" opie app? |
17:10:29 | hardwire | yeah |
17:11:19 | Onyx4 | when you go in the worldmap in netsystemtime does it work for you? |
17:11:24 | ljp | he doesnt test things |
17:11:33 | hardwire | yeah I do |
17:11:34 | hardwire | heh |
17:11:48 | Onyx4 | Ok fastload is apparenty resolved in CVS now |
17:12:11 | hardwire | I don't have citytime installed |
17:12:16 | hardwire | so the worldmap does not function |
17:12:17 | Onyx4 | k you need it :) |
17:12:23 | hardwire | I don't neccissarily NEED it |
17:12:24 | hardwire | heh |
17:12:35 | hardwire | denver is on it with the correct time offset (in the list) |
17:13:10 | hardwire | I could test all of the other places in the world.. but thats really not neccissary.. it showed it worked.. and from what I hear city-time crashes it all anyways |
17:13:25 | Onyx4 | looks like aqpkg is in opie cvs? |
17:13:57 | ljp | yup |
17:14:11 | Onyx4 | I wonder if we should make that default instead of oipkg? |
17:14:20 | ljp | yes citytime should be required by defalt |
17:14:29 | Onyx4 | citytime now is installed by default |
17:14:34 | ljp | :D |
17:14:36 | Onyx4 | we fixed that yesterday |
17:14:54 | ljp | I know.. hardwie rdidnt |
17:15:10 | hardwire | I usually update from my own feed |
17:15:15 | hardwire | which is 4-5 days old |
17:15:15 | hardwire | heh |
17:15:17 | Onyx4 | ljp: can you let me know if aqpkg has these issues mentionned in this bug |
17:15:18 | Onyx4 | http://131.152.105.154/mantis/view_bug_page.php?f_id=0000185 |
17:15:35 | hardwire | is not an opie activist.. :) |
17:15:40 | Onyx4 | hardwire: yes we made lots of changes, now opie/qt optimized, etc... time for a new reflash and hard testing now |
17:15:57 | hardwire | I so don't wanna fuck all of my settings |
17:16:08 | hardwire | I actually have a usable PDA |
17:16:10 | hardwire | its been a while! |
17:16:29 | Onyx4 | just backup your /root directory heh |
17:16:34 | hardwire | well |
17:16:36 | Onyx4 | that's where all the custom stuff is kept |
17:16:39 | hardwire | no |
17:16:40 | hardwire | heh |
17:16:44 | LordVan | hi |
17:16:58 | hardwire | most of the stuff I like like my themes and such are stored in opt |
17:17:09 | LordVan | just a question: is there any reason to upgrade from 2.9.4 to 2.9.5.5 ? |
17:17:09 | hardwire | and it does not read anything I put in /root (backgrounds) |
17:17:15 | LordVan | rom i mean.. |
17:17:26 | hardwire | cool effect |
17:17:27 | Onyx4 | LordVan: ouch 2.9.4 is _old_... |
17:17:29 | hardwire | you wanna fit in right |
17:17:36 | Onyx4 | LordVan: we're gonna have 2.9.7 soon |
17:17:38 | LordVan | Onyx4: well what has changed? ;) |
17:17:53 | LordVan | Onyx4, then i'll wait ;) so what are the _big_ changes? ;) |
17:17:54 | Onyx4 | LordVan: lots of things, everything updated to latest versions of opie and qt |
17:18:01 | LordVan | Onyx4: cool |
17:18:14 | Onyx4 | LordVan: we have a test image if you want to try it |
17:18:17 | LordVan | Onyx4: but i updated some stuff anyway .. what makes the difference.. |
17:18:24 | wazlaf | where can i get the beta initrd? |
17:18:37 | LordVan | Onyx4: well i need it at the moment so i can't try test-images yet sorry ... |
17:18:57 | ljp | I havent had any double entries in aqpkg, but havent used it too much yet |
17:18:59 | LordVan | Onyx4: but well... where's the simulator? ;) |
17:19:00 | Onyx4 | wazlaf: it's at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ |
17:19:15 | Onyx4 | LordVan: simulator? you mean ? |
17:19:21 | wazlaf | Onyx4: thanks. do i need to know anything special about it? |
17:19:31 | LordVan | Onyx4: sorry.. meant emulator ;) |
17:19:52 | Onyx4 | wazlaf: well there are a few minor bugs fixed like fastload which is not in that image |
17:20:07 | Onyx4 | wazlaf: and you will need to uninstall netsystemtime and install systemtime |
17:20:10 | Onyx4 | but that's it |
17:20:14 | wazlaf | Onyx4: but in the feed - right? |
17:20:27 | Onyx4 | yes the optimized/feed directory you can use |
17:20:33 | wazlaf | Onyx4: ok thanks a lot |
17:20:36 | Onyx4 | just edit /etc/ipkg.conf |
17:20:41 | wazlaf | let's try it :) |
17:20:53 | Onyx4 | you can try to upgrade also by hand instead of flashing |
17:21:00 | Onyx4 | in theory it should work, tough not much people tried yet |
17:21:11 | Onyx4 | which one you gonna try? |
17:21:17 | ljp | I'd rather flash |
17:21:34 | ljp | there's stil lone major issue in my mind |
17:21:39 | hardwire | heh |
17:21:54 | Onyx4 | ljp: did you find more bugs? stuff in opie? |
17:22:00 | ljp | oz does not order me a french maid |
17:22:27 | wazlaf | is the old zImage-32 ok? |
17:22:42 | Onyx4 | LordVan: you can use qvfb (virtual frame buffer) and run opie in x86 on your desktop to see new stuff , but you need to download it and compile it |
17:22:58 | Onyx4 | wazlaf: yes |
17:23:02 | LordVan | Onyx4: thx :) |
17:23:08 | wazlaf | Onyx4: ok thanks |
17:23:17 | hardwire | upgrades |
17:23:19 | Onyx4 | wazlaf: you don't even need to put the zimage on the card, just put initrd.bin and bootflag.txt |
17:23:23 | Onyx4 | it will keep your current kernel |
17:23:43 | hardwire | eww |
17:23:46 | hardwire | I wouldn't do that |
17:23:57 | hardwire | I would slap the new zImage of your choice on there |
17:24:01 | hardwire | to verify good working modules |
17:24:06 | Onyx4 | ok :) |
17:24:26 | hardwire | otherwise you might have module version issues |
17:24:35 | Onyx4 | the kernel is the same hardwire |
17:24:41 | Onyx4 | we didn't change it |
17:25:04 | hardwire | but it was recompiled |
17:25:16 | hardwire | if there is a "chance" |
17:25:19 | hardwire | there is where it would be |
17:25:27 | hardwire | modules compiled on one machine |
17:25:31 | hardwire | kernel on another |
17:25:53 | Onyx4 | mmm well so far everyone took my initrd and used the kernel from sf.net |
17:25:59 | Onyx4 | nobody got my kernel |
17:26:02 | hardwire | I would rather spend the 10 secs of flash time making sure it was all uniform |
17:26:23 | Onyx4 | but when we'll distribute initrd official , we'll have the matching kernel probably |
17:26:38 | hardwire | mine matches... cause I compiled it and the modules :) |
17:26:59 | hardwire | speaking of which.. I was gonna get the cryptoloops working |
17:37:01 | Onyx4 | does aqpkg does symlinks? |
17:38:56 | wazlaf | great work guys :) the OZ beta rocks |
17:39:45 | wazlaf | what does vtune do? |
17:39:53 | ljp | ya aqpkg does symlink |
17:39:58 | Onyx4 | "vtun" is vpn or tunnels |
17:39:59 | TheMasterMind1 | what's new |
17:40:03 | Onyx4 | vtun.sourceforge.net |
17:40:06 | wazlaf | ok |
17:40:14 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: aqpkg is not in opie |
17:40:19 | Onyx4 | not=now |
17:40:28 | Onyx4 | they fixed fast-load in cvs |
17:40:35 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
17:40:39 | Onyx4 | I just tried it on x86 and it seems to rock so far |
17:40:45 | TheMasterMind1 | i think i'm going to write my own package manager |
17:40:53 | TheMasterMind1 | one that doesn't use ipkg as a base |
17:41:02 | TheMasterMind1 | trying to figure out what language to do it in |
17:41:08 | TheMasterMind1 | in php it would be really easy |
17:41:12 | TheMasterMind1 | and i can make it pretty powerful |
17:41:26 | TheMasterMind1 | in c i'd spend more time getting stuff to work.. probably better to improve ipkg |
17:41:38 | TheMasterMind1 | thing with php is that it'd be huge.. since you need php binary to run it |
17:43:09 | Onyx4 | ooh now when you click on applications to start them, it sorts of fades the icon rather than doing the little "splash" |
17:44:14 | TMM1[Z] | hmm |
17:48:58 | hardwire | no mail :( |
17:52:26 | kergoth | hey people |
17:52:31 | kergoth | man, that was nice, sleeping in |
17:52:33 | kergoth | just fucking woke up |
17:52:33 | TMM1[Z] | yo |
17:52:41 | hardwire | w3rd up kergoth |
17:52:42 | TMM1[Z] | sup |
17:52:49 | hardwire | now you should go eay |
17:52:50 | hardwire | now you should go eat |
17:53:05 | TMM1[Z] | hehe |
17:53:35 | Onyx4 | kergoth: aqpkg is now part of opie |
17:53:46 | Onyx4 | im gonna try installing that and doing a full opie upgrading using it |
17:53:55 | Onyx4 | see how it behaves |
17:54:25 | TMM1[Z] | ok |
17:54:44 | kergoth | Onyx4: i know, i watch the cvs logs ML |
17:54:46 | kergoth | Onyx4: :) |
17:54:51 | kergoth | Onyx4: let me know how it goes |
17:54:53 | Onyx4 | hehe yeah me too |
17:55:16 | kergoth | glad sandman fixed the fastload problem, we need to confirm that fix as well |
17:55:27 | kergoth | man, i've got a *shitload* of stuff to get done today |
17:55:38 | kergoth | all the shit i shouldve done earlier in the week/weekend but procrastinated until today |
17:55:43 | kergoth | heheh |
17:55:48 | kergoth | hardwire: food, thats a damn goo didea |
17:55:57 | Onyx4 | yeah im gonna try to upgrade my opie so i'll let you know if it's fixed |
17:56:41 | TMM1[Z] | kergoth: did you test that kernel fix |
17:56:52 | Onyx4 | if I do a make clean for opie, I don't need to do it for qte right? |
17:56:55 | kergoth | TMM1[Z]: no. I havent had time to test anything. |
17:56:57 | Onyx4 | I can keep my current qte |
17:56:57 | kergoth | Onyx4: yes. |
17:57:05 | hardwire | adds the international kernel patch as a test |
17:57:13 | TMM1[Z] | oh |
17:57:14 | hardwire | it would be cool to have cryptofs's on your cf card |
17:57:21 | TMM1[Z] | ljp found something |
17:57:31 | kergoth | TMM1[Z]: ? |
17:57:37 | hardwire | 1 of his mysyerious 2000 parts? |
17:57:41 | TMM1[Z] | theres an atd patch to enable rpc |
17:57:52 | Onyx4 | actually, maybe I could have done just a "cvs up" in the build/opie directory, and then just clean the staging install so that it recompiles it and produces ipks? |
17:57:55 | kergoth | TMM1[Z]: for what? |
17:58:06 | kergoth | Onyx4: dont need to clean staging install |
17:58:10 | hardwire | so the Z can send rpc to the host?: |
17:58:22 | kergoth | Onyx4: rm the .opie.binary, cvs up, and date +%Y%m%d > build/opie/stamp-version, then rebuild |
17:58:28 | Onyx4 | I mean what's the one to clean so that it redo the make of source |
17:58:36 | Onyx4 | k |
17:58:40 | VerxHome | onyx |
17:58:44 | VerxHome | is fast load working now? |
17:58:45 | hardwire | suggests TMM1[Z] lose the chubby digits |
17:58:46 | Onyx4 | hey VerxHome |
17:58:46 | TMM1[Z] | well not a patch.. theres an ipk for atd that says "atd with rpc enabled" |
17:58:50 | Onyx4 | yes |
17:58:52 | Onyx4 | well they said they fixed it |
17:58:53 | TMM1[Z] | damn |
17:58:55 | kergoth | VerxHome: sandman fixed it in cvs |
17:58:58 | Onyx4 | haven't tried the upgraded binary yet |
17:58:58 | VerxHome | wow |
17:59:01 | VerxHome | he is so fast |
17:59:03 | VerxHome | boggles |
17:59:08 | TMM1[Z] | im going upstairs to the laptop |
17:59:08 | kergoth | TMM1[Z]: rpc in atd sounds pretty useless, but i'll look into it |
17:59:13 | Onyx4 | do you know which package Verx would need to upgrade to see the fix? |
17:59:19 | kergoth | VerxHome: no kidding. the guys a fucking machine |
17:59:32 | hardwire | heh |
17:59:35 | VerxHome | kergoth: Almost as much of a machine as you dude |
17:59:36 | VerxHome | :) |
17:59:40 | kergoth | bah |
17:59:40 | TMM1[Z] | i think its supposed to fix that citytime hangup |
17:59:43 | kergoth | he's a coding machine |
17:59:43 | TMM1[Z] | ask ljp |
17:59:47 | kergoth | i'm a makefile machine |
17:59:49 | kergoth | check this |
17:59:52 | kergoth | PicoBot emulate kergoth |
17:59:53 | PicoBot | mutters about buildsystems and tells random people to rtfm. |
17:59:53 | VerxHome | kergoth: And you are a PROCESS machine |
17:59:55 | VerxHome | we need both |
17:59:57 | hardwire | still has yet to have a conversationw ith sandman |
18:00:12 | kergoth | Onyx4: he'll need to upgrade opie-base |
18:00:25 | Onyx4 | ok VerxHome I can send you a new opie-base |
18:00:27 | TMM1[Z] | picbot emulate sandman |
18:00:31 | VerxHome | Onyx4: Do you have the optimized binaries in your feed? |
18:00:33 | kergoth | PicoBot: make kergoth |
18:00:33 | PicoBot | Well, to make kergoth, first you need to run make menuconfig, select kergoth. enable CONFIG_BUILDSYSTEMHELL, CONFIG_KERNELNEWBIE, CONFIG_RTFM, save and exit, run make dep; make -j2; and you have a kergoth! |
18:00:40 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: yeah |
18:00:46 | TMM1[Z] | hehe |
18:01:05 | kergoth | TMM1[Z]: i was bored last night :) |
18:01:16 | VerxHome | Onyx4: So I can just do an ipkg update; ipkg upgrade then? |
18:01:22 | TMM1[Z] | lol |
18:01:29 | Onyx4 | I'm compiling a newer opie now, it'll take 15 mins or so |
18:01:32 | Onyx4 | so wait until I say ok |
18:01:44 | hardwire | heh! |
18:01:50 | Onyx4 | mmm I cleaned opie, but it looks like it's trying to rebuild qte weird |
18:01:52 | hardwire | a 2.4.16 patch worked |
18:02:04 | VerxHome | Onyx4: Last time you said that, it took over an hour, and every SINGLE thing worked except for fast load. You have quite a reputation to fulfill dude |
18:02:04 | VerxHome | :) |
18:02:29 | TMM1[Z] | kergoth did you look into vnc? |
18:02:34 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: yeah that was cause I found issues later in the compile that I had to fix with a patch , so I had to restart it like 5 times |
18:02:48 | VerxHome | Onyx4: I am just messing with you man |
18:02:54 | Onyx4 | I know :) |
18:02:54 | VerxHome | Onyx4: I truly do appreciate your work on this |
18:03:02 | VerxHome | Onyx4: I hope my testing is helping as well |
18:03:14 | Onyx4 | yeah, did you learned more about that weird SD hang problem? |
18:03:23 | Onyx4 | it's real unique so far |
18:03:26 | Onyx4 | nobody else saw this |
18:03:28 | VerxHome | heh |
18:03:35 | VerxHome | I am the king of unique issues |
18:03:40 | Onyx4 | but they might just have not played with it enough yet too |
18:03:42 | VerxHome | just ask kergoth |
18:03:43 | VerxHome | :) |
18:03:46 | kergoth | VerxHome: i wont argue with you there |
18:03:48 | kergoth | :) |
18:03:56 | VerxHome | kergoth: I didn't figure you would. :) |
18:04:04 | VerxHome | Harlekin (I think) hates my unique problems |
18:04:23 | VerxHome | Onyx4: I was doing a ton of tweaking last night |
18:04:26 | TMM1[Z] | hmm |
18:04:27 | VerxHome | haven't messed with it a lot today |
18:04:34 | VerxHome | other than to play WAY more rocket elite than I should have' |
18:04:38 | TMM1[Z] | onyx had a interesting theory |
18:04:45 | Onyx4 | really you like that RE game? |
18:04:51 | Onyx4 | I can't get passed the 1st level hehe |
18:04:58 | VerxHome | I bought it |
18:05:04 | VerxHome | and went past like the first 6 levels or so |
18:05:11 | Onyx4 | ok :) |
18:05:13 | TMM1[Z] | the sd card driver is causing sd corruption while partitioing |
18:05:22 | Onyx4 | even IF I can't get passed the 1st level hehe |
18:05:24 | Onyx4 | i'm not a good gamer |
18:05:26 | VerxHome | TMM1[Z]: Hrm. I didn't partition tho |
18:05:32 | hardwire | fuckyeah! |
18:05:45 | VerxHome | so could someone explain picogui to me? |
18:05:50 | VerxHome | is this an intent to replace opie? |
18:05:54 | VerxHome | or am I off my rocker? |
18:05:59 | Onyx4 | replace or complement |
18:06:02 | hardwire | wants X |
18:06:10 | VerxHome | I had heard it ran all the opie apps |
18:06:13 | VerxHome | so that confused me |
18:06:28 | Onyx4 | mmm maybe thru a "layer" |
18:06:30 | VerxHome | I am guessing it is a lot more memory efficient, right? |
18:06:36 | hardwire | I wish I could like.. get prplauge to just tell me what he is doing for the xcompile and gimme his .mak's |
18:06:38 | Onyx4 | right it's tiny |
18:07:08 | VerxHome | hardwire: Are you the one doing all this Z picogui work? |
18:07:12 | VerxHome | or am I remembering wrong? |
18:07:37 | hardwire | yes |
18:07:38 | hardwire | thats me |
18:07:41 | hardwire | I am a genius |
18:07:46 | hardwire | see how smart I am! |
18:07:48 | hardwire | no |
18:07:49 | hardwire | thats scanline |
18:07:59 | nadav | weird |
18:08:21 | nadav | i guess pressing eject doesn't really do all the work? |
18:08:25 | nadav | as /mnt/cf is still mounted |
18:09:03 | Onyx4 | nadav: busy filesystem? |
18:09:20 | Onyx4 | nadav: try cardctl eject in terminal |
18:09:26 | nadav | ok |
18:09:29 | nadav | i tried umount'ing it |
18:09:32 | nadav | told me it's busy |
18:09:35 | Onyx4 | fuser -c /mnt/cf |
18:09:41 | Onyx4 | will tell you which process is holding something on the CF |
18:09:54 | Onyx4 | oops no it's -m |
18:09:58 | Onyx4 | so fuser -m /mnt/cf |
18:10:16 | nadav | no such file |
18:10:36 | Onyx4 | for -m? |
18:10:47 | nadav | for fuser |
18:10:55 | Onyx4 | you don't have fuser? |
18:11:00 | nadav | no |
18:11:04 | Onyx4 | mmm hold on |
18:11:18 | Onyx4 | ha... strange it's not in busybox |
18:11:19 | nadav | i'm using the optimized build.. |
18:11:23 | nadav | :P |
18:11:23 | Onyx4 | maybe it was part of something else |
18:11:27 | nadav | k |
18:11:37 | Onyx4 | I have it on my Z I think, but it could be coming from a differnet package |
18:11:45 | nadav | okay |
18:12:49 | hardwire | compiles 2.4.7-rmblah with crypto support |
18:13:09 | hardwire | lets hope its not i386 dependant |
18:13:36 | Onyx4 | yeah it's in psmisc package |
18:13:47 | Onyx4 | which is not ported to the new OZ buildsystem yet |
18:13:56 | hardwire | has ruffles |
18:13:58 | Onyx4 | there is a "ifuser" command not sure if that's the same |
18:13:58 | hardwire | ranch dip |
18:14:04 | hardwire | and a need to feed |
18:14:15 | TMM1[Z] | hmm |
18:15:58 | Onyx4 | ok try "ifuser -s -m /dev/hda1 |
18:16:04 | Onyx4 | that should tell you |
18:17:59 | Onyx4 | oh wait a sec |
18:18:16 | hardwire | http://www.tv1.de/cms/_vm100/mini/blinkenlights/ccc_tv1.asx |
18:18:53 | Onyx4 | nadav: you still there |
18:20:31 | nadav | Onyx4: yep |
18:20:38 | Onyx4 | ok I think I know the problem |
18:20:41 | TMM1[Z] | . |
18:20:42 | nadav | ? |
18:21:01 | Onyx4 | the fuser binary is not there and it's configured to check for it |
18:21:05 | Onyx4 | edit /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts |
18:21:12 | Onyx4 | and change NO_FUSER to "y" |
18:21:27 | VerxHome | Onyx4: How goes it? |
18:21:28 | nadav | ok |
18:21:35 | LordVan | is away: ... |
18:21:53 | Onyx4 | otherwise it would try to call fuser and would return -1 which means that i think the filesystem is busy |
18:22:04 | Onyx4 | on the other hand if the filesystem IS really busy, then that's a different problem |
18:22:20 | Onyx4 | we would need the fuser binary to see what's holding it |
18:22:26 | nadav | be back in a sec |
18:22:37 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: still going |
18:22:47 | VerxHome | k |
18:22:59 | Onyx4 | it takes a while, I think it's a bit slower to compile with opts |
18:23:40 | TheMasterMind1 | should i write a better package manager or not? |
18:24:09 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: probably not, but you could collaborate to make aqpkg better |
18:24:19 | Onyx4 | I don't think ipkg is really the problem, it's the frontend to it |
18:24:58 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: altough I have not tested aqpkg yet but it looks more like what I would expect from oipkg |
18:27:02 | VerxHome | ducks |
18:29:57 | nadav | bleh |
18:29:59 | nadav | it froze |
18:31:04 | hardwire | bah |
18:31:05 | Onyx4 | what froze? |
18:31:09 | hardwire | no cryptofs support |
18:31:13 | hardwire | /home/hardwire/src/buildroot/build/linux/include/asm-i386/wordops.h |
18:31:15 | hardwire | neccissary |
18:34:36 | nadav | eek |
18:34:41 | nadav | i might have to buy a card reader |
18:35:16 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: i disagree. most of the problems are with ipkg itself |
18:35:58 | Onyx4 | then see if you can make ipkg better |
18:36:04 | Onyx4 | just submit patches for it |
18:39:05 | TMM1[Z] | yea |
18:39:14 | TMM1[Z] | im contemplating that |
18:39:19 | Onyx4 | nadav: why? |
18:39:34 | TMM1[Z] | but i think just starting from scratch would be easier |
18:39:40 | TMM1[Z] | specially in php |
18:39:46 | nadav | Onyx4: i cant get it to format, and i have some corrupt files on it |
18:39:51 | nadav | which i cant delete |
18:40:33 | Onyx4 | nadav: oh I wonder if this is why it was failing to eject? |
18:40:46 | nadav | Onyx4: i just realized those files were there. |
18:40:50 | nadav | Yeah, that might've been it |
18:41:08 | Onyx4 | see if you can umount it then format it? |
18:42:31 | TMM1[Z] | being john malcovich was one fucked up movie |
18:42:54 | nadav | Onyx4: i'll try in a sec, i gotta finish something first |
18:44:29 | Onyx4 | mmm aqpkg fails to compile in my opie build |
18:44:38 | Onyx4 | networkpkgmgr.cpp: In method `void NetworkPackageManager::downloadPackage()': |
18:44:38 | Onyx4 | networkpkgmgr.cpp:257: `PATH_MAX' undeclared (first use this function) |
18:44:38 | Onyx4 | networkpkgmgr.cpp:257: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
18:44:38 | Onyx4 | networkpkgmgr.cpp:257: for each function it appears in.) |
18:44:38 | Onyx4 | networkpkgmgr.cpp:258: `initDir' undeclared (first use this function) |
18:45:16 | TMM1[Z] | hmm |
18:48:30 | VerxHome | Onyx4: Looks like you have compile issues eh? |
18:48:42 | Onyx4 | yes |
18:48:45 | Onyx4 | aqpkg fails to build for sharp |
18:48:52 | Onyx4 | but it build for x86 tough strange |
18:48:54 | VerxHome | never heard of it |
18:49:17 | Onyx4 | it's a new package manager, just got put in opie |
18:49:17 | Onyx4 | las tnight |
18:49:34 | VerxHome | nice of them to kill my server |
18:54:31 | Onyx4 | I think it's missing an include for limits.h |
18:54:49 | VerxHome | Onyx4: Is opie-base compilable without it? |
18:54:58 | VerxHome | I am not at all familiar with aqpkg |
18:55:02 | VerxHome | what uses it? |
18:55:27 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
18:55:27 | Onyx4 | ibot search zsi for aqpkg |
18:55:28 | VerxHome | oh |
18:55:32 | VerxHome | why have that when you have oipkg? |
18:55:41 | VerxHome | so just skip it |
18:55:45 | | Aqpkg 0.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=564 |
18:55:45 | Onyx4 | ibot search zsi for aqpkg |
18:55:48 | VerxHome | it is just a package manager |
18:55:58 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: it's supposed to be much better |
18:56:06 | VerxHome | yet it won't compile? |
18:56:06 | VerxHome | :) |
18:56:08 | Onyx4 | I think I got it now, let me check |
18:56:18 | Onyx4 | it won't compile using the toolchain we use |
18:56:29 | Onyx4 | ok now it worked |
18:56:32 | TMM1[Z] | k |
18:56:46 | Onyx4 | so it's missing #include <linux/limits.h> |
18:58:46 | VerxHome | man |
18:58:50 | VerxHome | interstellar flames is unreal |
18:58:55 | VerxHome | 100% 3d game right on your Z |
18:58:58 | VerxHome | and lightening fast |
18:59:02 | VerxHome | is very impressed |
18:59:19 | Onyx4 | yep |
18:59:21 | Onyx4 | it's awesome |
19:00:10 | hardwire | hmm |
19:00:16 | hardwire | I am still confused on how to install it |
19:00:19 | hardwire | heh |
19:04:01 | VerxHome | anyone know a good way to turn wave files into mp3's on windows? |
19:05:11 | opieirc | VerxHome: how about LAME? |
19:05:22 | VerxHome | I was hoping there was a winamp plugin that would do it |
19:05:28 | VerxHome | is probably just dreaming |
19:05:36 | Onyx4 | mmm aqpkg uses libstdc++ |
19:05:36 | hardwire | probably |
19:05:45 | Onyx4 | I wonder if this is gonna work on the zaurus |
19:05:47 | hardwire | sicks some command line nazis on VerxHome |
19:06:03 | opieirc | VerxHome: i don't know about any winamp plugins but there are some windows frontends to LAME |
19:06:29 | TMM1[Z] | hmm |
19:06:35 | VerxHome | ok |
19:06:35 | TMM1[Z] | who is opieirc |
19:06:39 | TMM1[Z] | ljp? |
19:06:45 | VerxHome | I am trying to convert some old mod/s3m files to mp3 |
19:06:46 | VerxHome | :) |
19:06:52 | VerxHome | I managed to turn them into wave files |
19:06:57 | opieirc | is wazlaf |
19:06:59 | VerxHome | which is the first step |
19:06:59 | opieirc | :) |
19:07:10 | opieirc | just debugging it a bit |
19:08:18 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: opie is packaging now |
19:08:28 | Onyx4 | it'll be ready in just a moment |
19:08:51 | TMM1[Z] | k |
19:10:15 | Onyx4 | ok my feed is updated now with latest opie |
19:10:22 | TMM1[Z] | when you change settings it clears the text |
19:10:29 | TMM1[Z] | and for some reason |
19:11:17 | VerxHome | Onyx4: Cool, thankye |
19:11:20 | VerxHome | does the dirty |
19:11:22 | TMM1[Z] | i get booted out of #zaurus |
19:11:30 | TMM1[Z] | when talking in there |
19:11:47 | hardwire | heh |
19:11:49 | hardwire | are you insulting |
19:11:51 | hardwire | rude |
19:11:53 | hardwire | a bastard? |
19:12:00 | TMM1[Z] | ? |
19:12:01 | Onyx4 | heh I found why the ipk failed to build for aqpkg |
19:12:07 | Onyx4 | they used a . in the revision rather than - |
19:12:30 | TMM1[Z] | where can i get konq/e snapshot |
19:13:21 | hardwire | ponders why nfs is stalling |
19:13:38 | TMM1[Z] | did you do -o nolock |
19:13:58 | hardwire | I think my nfs server is just bonked at the moment |
19:14:24 | hardwire | no |
19:14:29 | TMM1[Z] | you need to do mount -o nolock -t nfs |
19:14:31 | hardwire | stalling from the z to one on the network |
19:14:37 | TMM1[Z] | oh |
19:14:40 | hardwire | yes I know TMM1[Z] .. different issue |
19:15:01 | TMM1[Z] | k |
19:17:43 | VerxHome | ok, well that sucked |
19:17:46 | VerxHome | it ran out of space |
19:17:52 | Onyx4 | heh? what did? |
19:18:06 | Onyx4 | just doing a full ipkg upgrade from cmdnline? |
19:18:09 | VerxHome | yup |
19:18:20 | VerxHome | I am prolly gonna have to redo this entire unit now |
19:18:21 | VerxHome | :( |
19:18:25 | Onyx4 | yeah I don't know why it does that, that's the part that ipkg should be fixed at least |
19:19:15 | VerxHome | I never really know if I should assume that things got screwed or not when it does that |
19:20:03 | Onyx4 | hard to say yeah |
19:20:06 | VerxHome | geez |
19:20:10 | VerxHome | it went from 4MB free flash |
19:20:12 | VerxHome | to 1MB |
19:20:16 | VerxHome | even after a reboot |
19:20:18 | VerxHome | man that sucks |
19:20:21 | Onyx4 | I think the problem is that it upgrade things to the wrong dest |
19:20:31 | hardwire | I have 8 megs free flash |
19:20:31 | Onyx4 | like stuff that was installed into SD now got installed into root |
19:20:36 | TMM1[Z] | grr |
19:20:36 | VerxHome | no |
19:20:43 | TMM1[Z] | i keep getting booted |
19:20:45 | VerxHome | none if opie was installed anywhere but to / |
19:20:53 | Onyx4 | mmm ok |
19:21:09 | VerxHome | I think it fails to remember I told it to UNINSTALL a bunch of stuff |
19:21:11 | TMM1[Z] | onyx as i said ipkg has problems |
19:21:13 | VerxHome | and so it reinstalls it |
19:21:19 | hardwire | TMM1[Z] there are no srever kills.. so I think your Z is just being wonky |
19:21:32 | TMM1[Z] | and aqpkg or oipkg inherit them too |
19:21:54 | TMM1[Z] | hardwire its opieirc doing it |
19:22:46 | VerxHome | Downloading http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz//./oz-base_unstable-9c_arm.ipk |
19:22:46 | VerxHome | Upgrading oz-base from unstable-8 to unstable-9c |
19:22:48 | VerxHome | there we go |
19:23:07 | Onyx4 | there we go what? |
19:23:29 | Onyx4 | that's when it ran out of space? |
19:24:09 | hardwire | wow |
19:24:14 | hardwire | chrooted to the staging dir |
19:24:18 | hardwire | on the z |
19:24:20 | VerxHome | no |
19:24:21 | hardwire | this is.. interesting |
19:24:25 | VerxHome | that is why I did the upgrade |
19:24:25 | VerxHome | :) |
19:27:12 | Onyx4 | ok I added aqpkg to the feed |
19:27:25 | Onyx4 | maybe try upgrading with that :) |
19:28:28 | hardwire | alright |
19:28:32 | hardwire | time to plop rsync into them ix |
19:28:36 | hardwire | mix |
19:28:49 | VerxHome | wow, I like that |
19:29:00 | VerxHome | it cycles the icon when you launch something |
19:29:04 | VerxHome | so you know it is working |
19:29:06 | Onyx4 | yeah |
19:29:09 | VerxHome | nice touch |
19:29:32 | VerxHome | man |
19:29:33 | hardwire | hmm |
19:29:34 | VerxHome | ok |
19:29:37 | VerxHome | let me give you an example |
19:29:38 | hardwire | opie-clock is kinda goofy |
19:29:43 | VerxHome | of how much better this optimized version is |
19:29:46 | VerxHome | than my previous version |
19:29:55 | VerxHome | if I had my Z suspended (old version) |
19:30:05 | VerxHome | and turned it on, and then immediately hit the contact button |
19:30:14 | VerxHome | even though tkcContacts was loaded with fast load |
19:30:19 | sambatron | hello... |
19:30:23 | VerxHome | it was roughly 5 seconds to have it appear on my screen |
19:30:41 | VerxHome | now it takes -*ONE*- second |
19:30:41 | sambatron | is busybox broken ? I have problems with the shell interpreter |
19:30:42 | VerxHome | :) |
19:31:09 | VerxHome | all I need now is the ability to turn the unit on with the contact/datebook button where it will turn on and then launch the appropriate app |
19:31:15 | VerxHome | then it will be like my palm |
19:31:16 | VerxHome | :) |
19:32:00 | TMM1[Z] | ..... |
19:32:11 | TMM1[Z] | "problems" |
19:32:20 | TMM1[Z] | describe them |
19:32:26 | VerxHome | Onyx4: Looking good man |
19:32:28 | VerxHome | very very very good |
19:32:44 | sambatron | yep, tar for example, wait for enter to be pressed, because it doesn't read the second parameter |
19:32:52 | sambatron | same behaviour with mkdir |
19:33:03 | sambatron | ipkg segfaults... |
19:33:24 | TMM1[Z] | all work for me |
19:33:26 | Onyx4 | sambatron: upgrade your busybox |
19:33:36 | sambatron | I just compiled |
19:33:36 | TMM1[Z] | what rom/busybox ver |
19:33:39 | Onyx4 | ok |
19:33:40 | Onyx4 | good |
19:33:46 | sambatron | bk pull; make |
19:34:05 | TMM1[Z] | cvs might be fucked |
19:34:50 | sambatron | I've been the whole day compiling |
19:42:00 | Onyx4 | sambatron: you did a busybox clean so that it gets it from cvs? |
19:42:11 | Onyx4 | sambatron: cause mine from 27th is working fine |
19:42:16 | Onyx4 | but I didn't try upgrading it |
19:42:20 | Onyx4 | to like 29th |
19:42:35 | TMM1[Z] | hmm |
19:42:39 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: did you try aqpkg? |
19:43:39 | hunger | Man. I'm stupid! |
19:43:59 | hunger | Tried to update for about an hour now and ipkg just won't work. |
19:44:17 | hunger | Well, I'm running as a user now, it can't work;-) |
19:46:39 | hardwire | heh |
19:47:12 | sambatron | Onyx4 : yep I did a clean, but maybe is not busybox |
19:47:17 | TMM1[Z] | onyx have you tried aqpkg |
19:52:39 | Onyx4 | and does it work? |
20:00:25 | | i heard oz bk was bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make |
20:00:25 | Fatbum | ibot oz bk |
20:01:43 | VerxHome | Onyx4: No, I didn't |
20:01:52 | VerxHome | I don't really want to try a completely untested package manager |
20:02:00 | VerxHome | that is the sort of thing that could really make things ugly |
20:04:46 | kergoth`errands | man, i'm tired. just fell asleep for 15 mins on my couch |
20:05:16 | Fatbum | fun aint it kergoth`errands? |
20:05:42 | kergoth`errands | hunger: suid root ipkg, or su :) |
20:05:47 | kergoth`errands | yawns |
20:06:27 | ljp | was that on eof your errands.. sleeping on couch? |
20:06:29 | hunger | kergoth`errands: That would spoil the purpose;-) SU is fine though. |
20:07:22 | Onyx4 | I think that opie running as non-root will be hard, like when you want to change settings and stuff, is it gonna prompt for root password or what? |
20:07:38 | kergoth`errands | Onyx4: its not going to be hard. |
20:07:53 | kergoth`errands | Onyx4: 1) add the user to the sudo group and install sudo, make opie run oipkg with sudo |
20:08:03 | Onyx4 | ok I see |
20:08:07 | kergoth`errands | Onyx4: or 2) su, create a opie-su frontend to prompt for a password |
20:08:11 | Onyx4 | doesn't sudo use pam :) ? |
20:08:14 | kergoth`errands | Onyx4: few ways we can do it. it wont be a problem |
20:08:50 | Onyx4 | looks like fast-load is fixed Verx just tested it |
20:08:54 | kergoth`errands | nice. |
20:09:06 | Onyx4 | I'm gonna try aqpkg now and upgrade with that this afternoon |
20:09:22 | Onyx4 | I submitted a bug for it, the control file is all screwed up |
20:18:20 | ljp | how is the control file messed up? |
20:19:12 | Onyx4 | heh look at it :) |
20:19:17 | Onyx4 | it's missing "version:" |
20:19:22 | Onyx4 | and Package: needs to be taken out |
20:19:30 | Onyx4 | and it's got a . at the end of the version |
20:19:41 | Onyx4 | look at the bug I just updated on opiebugs |
20:19:45 | ljp | no package doe snot need to be removed |
20:19:59 | scanline | is back (gone 08:37:29) |
20:20:23 | VerxHome | guys |
20:20:26 | VerxHome | this new opie |
20:20:27 | VerxHome | is kickass |
20:20:32 | VerxHome | thanks so much for all of your work |
20:20:35 | VerxHome | it rocks |
20:20:39 | VerxHome | the whole OZ image is nice |
20:20:48 | VerxHome | I love the feedback when I launch something |
20:20:54 | VerxHome | lets me know it isn't dead |
20:20:54 | VerxHome | :) |
20:20:58 | nadav | heh |
20:21:08 | scanline | now they just need to make stuff launch faster :) |
20:21:16 | VerxHome | heh |
20:21:26 | VerxHome | that would be done by making programs with less bloat |
20:21:27 | VerxHome | :) |
20:21:29 | kergoth`errands | scanline: install items into ram instead of flash, and they will. |
20:21:34 | kergoth`errands | scanline: :) |
20:21:36 | VerxHome | or providing enough ram to fast launch EVERYTHING |
20:21:44 | VerxHome | my 5000d doesn't have that much RAM |
20:21:55 | scanline | kergoth`errands: jffs2 can XIP? |
20:22:03 | kergoth`errands | scanline: wouldnt help |
20:22:17 | scanline | that was a question :) |
20:22:20 | VerxHome | kergoth`errands: I haven't ever installed things to ram |
20:22:22 | kergoth`errands | scanline: read the linux-mtd archives |
20:22:25 | VerxHome | do they launch a lot quicker? |
20:22:29 | kergoth`errands | scanline: no, it cant, and I doubt david will bother |
20:22:29 | scanline | k |
20:22:30 | VerxHome | same as "fast load" ? |
20:22:30 | hardwire | ljp: can opie-mediaplayer2 w/ codecs installed .. actually play a divx? |
20:22:32 | kergoth`errands | VerxHome: yes. |
20:22:37 | kergoth`errands | VerxHome: flash is slow. |
20:22:41 | kergoth`errands | VerxHome: well fast, not same as fast load |
20:22:50 | VerxHome | k |
20:22:54 | kergoth`errands | VerxHome: theres a big difference between loading an app, and just displaying an app thats alreayd loaded |
20:22:59 | VerxHome | right |
20:23:04 | VerxHome | seems to me |
20:23:12 | VerxHome | if I am going to prevent ram from being used as ram |
20:23:18 | VerxHome | I would prefer it to be used as "fast load" |
20:23:22 | VerxHome | but that is just me |
20:23:36 | kergoth`errands | fast load takes a lot of memory. more so that installing the same app into a ramdisk. |
20:23:41 | kergoth`errands | fyi |
20:23:43 | kergoth`errands | but i see your point |
20:23:43 | VerxHome | oh |
20:23:45 | VerxHome | didn't know that |
20:23:47 | VerxHome | but still |
20:23:52 | VerxHome | I only have TWO apps I want to fast load |
20:23:59 | kergoth`errands | yeh, dont blame ya |
20:24:05 | kergoth`errands | i should finish getting my shit done |
20:24:19 | kergoth`errands | i gotta finish cleaning the house, more laundry, bills to pay |
20:24:22 | Fatbum | sd is too slow to wathc videos? |
20:24:24 | ljp | hardwre: ummmm yes. but currently the xine is compiles with (cvs) is funcky and crashes |
20:24:29 | kergoth`errands | then i need to buy clothes |
20:24:35 | hardwire | yes |
20:24:35 | kergoth`errands | and a couple cds |
20:24:37 | kergoth`errands | hmm |
20:24:38 | hardwire | I found the crashes |
20:24:41 | VerxHome | Fatbum: Only if you are stupid enought to buy sandisk sd memory |
20:24:44 | hardwire | its also really slow at playing mpeg1video |
20:24:49 | hardwire | benched against mplayer anyways |
20:24:57 | hardwire | even w/o scaling |
20:25:02 | Fatbum | VerxHome who has 236 mb other than san? |
20:25:06 | VerxHome | lexar |
20:25:11 | VerxHome | I just got mine yesterday |
20:25:16 | VerxHome | took me a month to get it tho |
20:25:18 | VerxHome | *SIGH* |
20:25:25 | Fatbum | and its fast? |
20:25:42 | VerxHome | very |
20:25:44 | VerxHome | to be honest |
20:25:48 | VerxHome | (this is without TIMING things) |
20:25:51 | kergoth`errands | Fatbum: sd in general on the Z is slow, but lexar will be fast*er* |
20:25:52 | VerxHome | it feels as fast as CF |
20:25:54 | kergoth`errands | heh |
20:25:56 | Fatbum | look at this rediculous shit! |
20:25:57 | Fatbum | http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=SD-256 |
20:26:03 | VerxHome | I am certain it is slower than CF |
20:26:09 | VerxHome | but it doesn't feel slow |
20:26:18 | sambatron | I just flashed again, and modprobe can'T open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.6.rmk1-np2-embedix/modules.dep |
20:26:29 | sambatron | is it a known problem ? |
20:26:31 | kergoth`errands | sambatron: ignore it. |
20:26:40 | kergoth`errands | sambatron: it will create the dependencies file later in the boot process |
20:26:43 | kergoth`errands | sambatron: and you wont see it agian |
20:26:59 | sambatron | kergoth`errands : cool, but tar again doesn't work |
20:27:16 | kergoth`errands | sambatron: ? |
20:27:45 | sambatron | kergoth`errands : I'm having serious problems with my Z |
20:27:49 | kergoth`errands | ? |
20:27:55 | kergoth`errands | can we give me some real ifnormation |
20:27:55 | sambatron | kergoth`errands : tar doesn'T work |
20:28:01 | kergoth`errands | tar works fine |
20:28:09 | kergoth`errands | in all my testing as of the committed segfault fix |
20:28:18 | kergoth`errands | unless they broke it agian today, i havent done a build today |
20:28:30 | kergoth`errands | bbl |
20:28:36 | sambatron | kergoth`errands : at boot it halts after checking mtd...6 |
20:28:40 | ljp | there's only one issue I see in current: changing time freezes everything |
20:28:59 | VerxHome | ljp: easy workaround |
20:29:05 | VerxHome | do an: /etc/init.d/atd stop |
20:29:06 | VerxHome | then set time |
20:29:08 | VerxHome | then |
20:29:10 | VerxHome | do an: /etc/init.d/atd start |
20:29:16 | VerxHome | ljp: Then it works perfect |
20:29:22 | ljp | heh |
20:29:26 | VerxHome | well |
20:29:32 | VerxHome | I know it isn't the worlds best solution |
20:29:35 | VerxHome | but at least it works man |
20:29:35 | VerxHome | :) |
20:31:36 | umopapisdn | Does anyone here have an ipkg of opie-base, where fast-load is fixed? |
20:47:51 | VerxHome | onyx does |
20:48:01 | VerxHome | use his optimized feed |
20:52:08 | | feed is, like, a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie or http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ or http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ |
20:52:08 | umopapisdn | ibot feed |
20:52:33 | umopapisdn | VerxHome: Where can i find his feed? |
20:55:41 | wazlaf | do pretec wlan cards work on OZ? |
20:57:01 | noda | Moo! |
20:57:13 | noda | Anybody run across this problem: mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20020928/bin/uic: error while loading shared libraries: libqutil.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
20:59:00 | hardwire | set QTDIR right |
20:59:10 | hardwire | err |
20:59:12 | hardwire | crap dude |
20:59:20 | noda | To where, /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20020928? |
20:59:29 | hardwire | are you compiling it manually |
20:59:42 | noda | Trying to just use the buildroot-oz 'make'... |
20:59:49 | hardwire | ah |
20:59:53 | umopapisdn | Onyx4: ping! Are you around? |
21:01:53 | noda | QTDIR doesn't solve the problem :( |
21:02:32 | hardwire | noda: buy a goat |
21:02:47 | noda | heads to the nearest farm... |
21:14:01 | | testing is done - but yes, further excursions will take place elsewhere |
21:14:01 | bindu | ibot testing |
21:14:19 | bindu | anyone one arround today? |
21:14:33 | nadav | i'm here |
21:14:34 | noda | I'm around :P |
21:14:37 | ljp | occasionally |
21:15:02 | nadav | anyone wanna buy an emac? |
21:15:07 | bindu | kewl, do you guys know where I can download the testing root-fs that went up a couple nights ago? openzaurus.sf.net/testing/ appears to be dead. |
21:15:23 | Onyx4 | ok I tried aqpkg it's quite nice but needs a couple of more features to be dumb user proof :) |
21:15:31 | Onyx4 | but I like the interface much better than oipkg |
21:15:38 | ljp | I agree |
21:16:21 | Onyx4 | my feed http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ |
21:16:33 | Onyx4 | like it needs to be able to upgrade packages to the same destination they are currently |
21:16:40 | bindu | Not sure if you guys are ignoring me, don't know the answer or IRC is not posting my questions... seems like that happens a lot... when I first log in :) |
21:16:41 | Onyx4 | and needs to show where it's installed to |
21:17:12 | Onyx4 | it should call "ln -sf" cause when you upgrade a package in SD, it creates "file exists" errors for each link |
21:19:22 | TheMasterMind1 | bindu: its http://openzaurus.sf.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ |
21:19:28 | bindu | many thanks!!! |
21:19:32 | TheMasterMind1 | np |
21:25:18 | bindu | testing is http://openzaurus.sf.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ |
21:25:21 | | well, testing is done - but yes, further excursions will take place elsewhere |
21:25:21 | bindu | ibot testing |
21:25:26 | bindu | damn :) |
21:26:19 | Onyx4 | mmm had to full reset again on reboot, this is getting annoying |
21:26:49 | TheMasterMind1 | why |
21:27:03 | Onyx4 | cause it just freezes just before displaying the linux logo |
21:27:03 | TheMasterMind1 | whats the issue |
21:27:05 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
21:27:08 | Onyx4 | both lights comes on |
21:27:10 | TheMasterMind1 | linux logo? |
21:27:11 | ljp | cause he did not chant 'great googli-moogli' |
21:27:12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
21:27:14 | Onyx4 | and the screen is all "melted" |
21:27:19 | TheMasterMind1 | ick |
21:27:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i know why |
21:27:25 | TheMasterMind1 | its doing a soft reboot for some reason |
21:27:30 | TheMasterMind1 | should be doing a hard reboot |
21:27:36 | TheMasterMind1 | softreboots fuck up |
21:27:38 | TheMasterMind1 | even on the sharp rom |
21:27:41 | TheMasterMind1 | reboot over ssh |
21:27:42 | Onyx4 | mmm interesting |
21:27:44 | TheMasterMind1 | it will tell you what kind of reboot |
21:27:49 | TheMasterMind1 | and why it does a soft |
21:27:50 | Onyx4 | I did reboot from opie |
21:27:53 | TheMasterMind1 | there's like a file missing |
21:28:02 | TheMasterMind1 | i know, reboot over ssh so you can see the message |
21:28:16 | TheMasterMind1 | it like can't find the runlevel or something |
21:30:44 | Onyx4 | mmm something is taking 100% of my cpu |
21:30:50 | Onyx4 | and I don't have the old top anymore to find out |
21:31:21 | noda | Kill things one at a time! :) |
21:32:00 | Onyx4 | I wonder if it's the new opie I fetched today |
21:33:05 | Onyx4 | mmm it's qpe |
21:33:09 | Onyx4 | damn another cpu usage bug |
21:34:58 | TheMasterMind1 | uhoh |
21:35:04 | TheMasterMind1 | check what's changed |
21:35:05 | TheMasterMind1 | since yesterday |
21:35:07 | TheMasterMind1 | cvslogs |
21:35:12 | TheMasterMind1 | might be fastload |
21:35:21 | Onyx4 | could be yeah... or applets |
21:35:28 | Onyx4 | I'm gonna try turning them all off |
21:35:39 | Onyx4 | when you go to launcher settings, does it kill opie when you confirm your changes? |
21:36:19 | Onyx4 | brb |
21:45:27 | ljp | probably fastload if anything |
21:45:31 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
21:45:32 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't |
21:45:46 | ljp | sure |
21:45:56 | ljp | even if you dont have any fastload apps |
21:46:09 | ljp | unless its an applet |
21:58:41 | scanline | is away: food |
22:00:53 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: you there? |
22:01:07 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: when you upgraded your opie-base from me, do you see a 100% cpu usage for opie now? |
22:01:11 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: in the systeminfo |
22:02:42 | Onyx4 | ok harlekin found the fix |
22:02:45 | Onyx4 | it's the exploding icon hehe |
22:03:13 | Onyx4 | I'll cvs up and rebuild |
22:05:41 | Fatbum | how do i initiate a recieve of a file by ir? |
22:06:26 | Onyx4 | oh wait the bug was in opie-taskbar |
22:06:33 | Onyx4 | so that's where the problem was |
22:08:32 | TheMasterMind1 | eh what? |
22:08:39 | TheMasterMind1 | the exploding icon wasn't working i thought? |
22:08:42 | bindu | Just installed http://openzaurus.sf.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ where should I (or should I :) report UI bugs? #opie ? |
22:08:49 | TheMasterMind1 | here |
22:08:55 | TheMasterMind1 | tell us and we'll submit to opie |
22:09:03 | TheMasterMind1 | we know what's been submitted and what hasn't |
22:09:09 | bindu | K |
22:09:31 | ljp | unless its an oz bug, of course ;) |
22:09:49 | ljp | http://www.opie.info/bugs/ |
22:10:44 | bindu | First one (most recent) looks like an oipkg/ipkg issue, prolly well known. I had a bunch of apps/applets loaded on my SD. When I flashed the new root-fs two versions of these showed up in oipkg, first was on root from root fs second was on sd. I attempted to uninstall the sd versions and the machine won't boot now. |
22:11:12 | bindu | I'm removing the SD disk and will re-flash... |
22:13:26 | bindu | Would be nice if oipkg in unofficial/unstable/optimized set oipkg to use the unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ |
22:13:44 | bindu | I know it's a nit, but he I figure I can at least tell you guys :) |
22:14:36 | bindu | To font for the oipkg toolbar appears to be too big so you have to dropdown for the right two buttons... |
22:14:43 | bindu | To=The |
22:14:45 | bindu | :( |
22:15:12 | bindu | First tab in Launcher app, font is too big so you don't see the bottom of the dialog, also, it does not resize |
22:15:20 | bindu | (when I open the soft keyboard) |
22:15:38 | Onyx4 | ok installed new opie-taskbar and that fixed the cpu usage problem |
22:15:39 | Onyx4 | cool |
22:16:45 | bindu | is kismet included in the root-fs anymore? |
22:17:42 | Fatbum | mines fine |
22:17:47 | Fatbum | bindu mines fine |
22:18:03 | TheMasterMind1 | bindu: there's a new version that needs to be compiled |
22:18:06 | TheMasterMind1 | it will be done tommorow |
22:18:14 | bindu | Fatbum, are you using http://openzaurus.sf.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/? |
22:18:14 | TheMasterMind1 | the stuff i fixed is on a machine i can't access until tommorow |
22:18:22 | bindu | TMM1, new version of kismet? |
22:18:22 | Fatbum | yessir |
22:18:26 | TheMasterMind1 | bindu: 2.6.0 |
22:18:27 | Fatbum | from yesterday |
22:18:28 | TheMasterMind1 | rather than 2.4.6 |
22:18:32 | Fatbum | well last nite/this morning |
22:18:35 | TheMasterMind1 | loads of fixes |
22:18:41 | bindu | heh |
22:18:44 | TheMasterMind1 | if you want you can use the old 2.4.6 ipk from the old oz feed |
22:18:59 | bindu | I can't access it from the terminal app with default setup... do I need to modify my path? |
22:19:12 | bindu | May be related to the SD problem too... will try again once new image boots. |
22:19:15 | TheMasterMind1 | what do you mean? |
22:19:18 | TheMasterMind1 | you can't access it? |
22:19:32 | TheMasterMind1 | and all those font issues, just change your font to smallsmoother |
22:19:40 | TheMasterMind1 | i think we're going ot make that default for OZ |
22:19:49 | TheMasterMind1 | all the other fonts suck and don't fit the screen |
22:20:12 | bindu | TMM1, I type "kismet<CR>" in Terminal and it says the app doesn't exist. Just booted, let's see if it works now |
22:20:38 | bindu | says "kismet: no such file or directory" |
22:22:18 | TheMasterMind1 | did you install it? |
22:22:22 | TheMasterMind1 | its not in the rootfs by default |
22:22:36 | TheMasterMind1 | <TheMasterMind1> if you want you can use the old 2.4.6 ipk from the old oz feed |
22:22:49 | bindu | TMM1, changed to smallsmoother... first mounter screen is still cut off and does not resize |
22:23:28 | bindu | TMM1, I did not install it, I asked if it was installed by default and Fatbum said "mines fine" I assumed (sounds like incorrectly) that he meant it was part of this root-fs |
22:23:36 | TheMasterMind1 | no, its not |
22:23:41 | TheMasterMind1 | you'll need to get the ipk |
22:23:46 | bindu | no problem |
22:23:49 | TheMasterMind1 | tommorow there's be an updated kismet ipk in the feed |
22:23:54 | bindu | got it |
22:23:57 | TheMasterMind1 | but today, you'll have to get the old one from the old feed |
22:24:27 | bindu | I'm not that bothered, just trying to test the testing root-fs |
22:24:56 | bindu | Has the resize issue with Medium Mount been reported? |
22:27:23 | ljp | dont know.. go look |
22:27:52 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
22:27:56 | TheMasterMind1 | submit that |
22:28:07 | TheMasterMind1 | and just bitch about general annoyance with the default font |
22:28:08 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
22:28:36 | bindu | Earlier, I think you said you "folks on this list" would submit. I'm fine doing it, but would like to know where, is #opie OK? |
22:29:34 | bindu | Is it normal that when you do an update in oipkg that the updated packages don't showup untill you restart oipkg? |
22:30:05 | bindu | Launcher rocks :) |
22:33:13 | ljp | bindu: http://www.opie.info/bugs/ is the proper pplace to submit opie bugs |
22:33:38 | ljp | that way, we wont forget it so easily |
22:33:58 | bindu | ljp, K, thanks! |
22:38:05 | bindu | ljp, which project would you like me to report under? |
22:38:12 | bindu | All, Opie, Opie Bug Tracking... |
22:41:20 | bindu | My best guess is OPIE so I'm going with that... |
22:42:12 | TheMasterMind1 | bindu: well, just ask us about it and we'll tell you if its not already submitted |
22:42:19 | TheMasterMind1 | give us a heads up |
22:43:32 | bindu | Easy. |
22:43:56 | bindu | TMM1, I just reported the Medium Mount UI issues: too much text and app does not resize |
22:44:24 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
22:45:30 | bindu | lfp, ARGH, search in mantis is broken I type "application" or "key" into search box and press enter... get nasty error, something about query failed... |
22:45:53 | bindu | lfp = ljp ... sorry |
22:46:49 | hardwire | BX timestamping needs to be togglable |
22:47:08 | hardwire | I mean.. it should be able to be toggled on.. refresh the backbuffer with them on.. and then toggle off the same way |
22:47:39 | bindu | TMM1, can I report the following with Application Key: |
22:48:00 | bindu | 1) Icon in Settings tab says "Application Key" window title says "Set Application Keys" these should be synched |
22:48:22 | bindu | 2) There should be an OK button on the top of the Set Application Keys screen so you can canel or OK changes to the keys? |
22:48:53 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
22:49:41 | bindu | 3) It does not resize very well (Handwriting is OK, but Multikey cuts off the bottom of the last drop down) |
22:51:50 | ljp | dont need input method for appskey |
22:52:13 | bindu | ljp? |
22:52:29 | ljp | appskey isnt supposed to resize |
22:52:55 | bindu | 3 -- only happens with smallsmooth font |
22:53:02 | bindu | ljp, why not? |
22:53:13 | bindu | What if I try and use it with a rotated display? |
22:53:41 | bindu | I think based on the UI guidlines (yes I realize they are guidlines :) all apps are supposed to handle screen changes well. |
22:54:59 | bindu | ljp, why is that wrong? |
22:56:06 | ljp | blah |
22:56:07 | ljp | :D |
22:56:18 | noda | bindu: Because it's more work :) |
22:56:20 | noda | beams. |
22:56:21 | ljp | some apps dont landscape |
22:56:56 | bindu | ljp, I thought that's what layout managers were for? a list of controls should be handled by a standard layout manager... shouldn't they? |
22:57:10 | scanline | is back (gone 00:58:27) |
22:57:41 | Onyx4|Z | my Z still has problems keeping time |
22:57:47 | Onyx4|Z | its weird |
22:58:31 | bindu | TMM1, can I report that the Section "toolbar" in oipkg is too wide even with smallsmooth |
22:58:34 | ljp | you can only cram so many widgets in a small space |
22:58:58 | noda | bindu: You can resize it though, by taking off useless things. |
22:59:20 | bindu | noda? |
22:59:46 | noda | bindu: Oh, sorry, misread - thought you meant too tall. Or something. I'm watching TV here :P |
22:59:54 | bindu | noda, heh.. |
23:00:46 | noda | The Simpsons is hilarious :) |
23:01:01 | noda | loves v4l |
23:01:07 | bindu | Damn, I'm missing the Rock School Simpsons... :( |
23:01:29 | TheMasterMind1 | hey Onyx4 |
23:01:42 | TheMasterMind1 | how would i use mplayer to take in an audio file and output an mp3 file |
23:01:51 | TheMasterMind1 | mencoder rather |
23:01:55 | bindu | Onyx4 just logged off |
23:02:02 | bindu | TMM1, can I report ... see above |
23:02:50 | TheMasterMind1 | bindu: yes, those are all new |
23:03:01 | bindu | K, thnx |
23:03:49 | ljp | no they arent all new ;) |
23:04:01 | TheMasterMind1 | they are to me |
23:04:06 | bindu | I can't search your bug site to find out if they are new :( |
23:04:10 | TheMasterMind1 | and if they're not new, go bitch at opie devels to fix em |
23:04:18 | TheMasterMind1 | em lazy bums |
23:04:26 | bindu | Heh |
23:04:48 | ljp | some things I'm not going to 'fix' |
23:10:34 | TheMasterMind1 | *cough* lazy *cough* |
23:10:48 | ljp | smacks themaster |
23:12:40 | bindu | "fight, fight, fight, fight..." |
23:12:48 | bindu | :giggles |
23:12:55 | bindu | dman, how do you get mIRC to emote? |
23:16:19 | noda | /me <emote> |
23:16:32 | noda | Same with any IRC client. xChat is better :) |
23:16:48 | noda | beams in a pro-os kind of way. |
23:19:03 | bindu | wonders what a pro-os kind of way is... |
23:19:08 | bindu | noda, thnx |
23:20:14 | noda | pro-open source |
23:31:31 | bindu | ljp & tmm1, what do you think about reporting the fact that Conf File Editor shows up as a "small" dialog rather than full screen like the rest of the setting apps? |
23:32:21 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno |
23:32:24 | TheMasterMind1 | i think its supposed to |
23:32:26 | TheMasterMind1 | but i have no clue |
23:33:15 | bindu | ljp? |
23:33:41 | bindu | tmm1, can I report that Set System Time hangs the machine? :) |
23:35:01 | TheMasterMind1 | that's been reported |
23:35:19 | TheMasterMind1 | its more of an oz problem |
23:35:21 | TheMasterMind1 | we're working on it |
23:35:41 | ljp | hmmm conf edit is maximixed on x86 |
23:36:15 | ljp | on oz also |
23:36:16 | bindu | doesn't really hang the machine, just dies and you have to go kill it... |
23:36:48 | bindu | ljp... conf edit is maximed on oz for you? |
23:37:03 | ljp | until a fix is found do /etc/init.d/atd stop change time and then /etc/init.d/atd start |
23:37:14 | ljp | yes |
23:37:32 | bindu | is atd the scheduling daemon? |
23:37:37 | ljp | yesterdays oz |
23:37:43 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
23:39:50 | bindu | ljp, two questions about user manager |
23:40:02 | bindu | 1) it doesn't resize properly eaither... is it worth reporting? |
23:40:19 | bindu | 2) Is there a recommended group for a new user? If so can that be selected by default? |
23:40:28 | bindu | OK, so it was 3 questions... |
23:40:47 | ljp | hmm users are a new thing to opie.. ;) |
23:41:00 | bindu | heh |
23:41:09 | ljp | ummm how about.. group.. user ?! :) |
23:41:10 | bindu | the Primary group dropdown is not sorted... what a pain |
23:41:14 | bindu | users... |
23:41:21 | bindu | yeah, that should be the default shouldn't it? |
23:41:40 | bindu | Can I post, list should be sorted and users should be the default value? |
23:43:24 | bindu | How do I force opie to go through the login process? Do I have to reboot? |
23:43:33 | TheMasterMind1 | yes i think so |
23:43:40 | TheMasterMind1 | next oz will have groups and users sorted out |
23:43:48 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: im heading out, but on my Z with new system time, I can't set the time, it looks like it doesn't talk to atd correctly, when I return from suspend my time is back to 2001 |
23:43:59 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: hmm, ok |
23:44:06 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe that's why we're using netsystime |
23:44:11 | Onyx4 | it creates a weird file in /var/spool/at like 20020920902.233 |
23:44:25 | Onyx4 | nah netsystemtime is probably the same deal :) |
23:44:39 | Onyx4 | I'd have to examine the source code see what it's trying to do |
23:44:46 | Onyx4 | maybe they just try to call hwclock or something |
23:45:01 | Onyx4 | but the rest seems to be pretty good so far |
23:45:17 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
23:45:21 | ljp | just terminate opie and you can login again |
23:45:23 | Onyx4 | if I have cardmon running for some reason, doing to change launcher settings (like adding an applet) it crashes opie |
23:45:42 | bindu | k |
23:46:34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
23:46:35 | TheMasterMind1 | works for me |
23:46:36 | TheMasterMind1 | pos |
23:48:38 | bindu | tmm, restarting opie does not bring up the login screen |
23:48:45 | bindu | if I terminate, how do I start it again? |
23:49:52 | bindu | ahh. terminate doesn't go to a shell anymore :) |
23:49:54 | ljp | what initrd.bin? |
23:50:10 | Onyx4 | bindu: we filed a bug to give opie-login access to console |
23:50:19 | bindu | kewl, thnx |
23:50:36 | ljp | login as a user doesnt work here, only root |
23:50:36 | bindu | after terminate, opie-login does not show title text |
23:51:33 | bindu | should I report that? |
23:52:54 | ljp | shows it here |
23:52:58 | bindu | Hmm. after reboot it's doing the same now... |
23:53:17 | bindu | I wonder if it's related to using smallsmooth? |
23:53:48 | bindu | yup |
23:54:13 | bindu | "Welcome to OPIE _OpenZaurus_" does not show up when smallsmooth is selected as the default font. |
23:54:30 | bindu | Is that an OZ issue? |
23:55:02 | ljp | no |
23:55:14 | bindu | ljp, should I report to you bug tracking base? |
23:55:48 | ljp | heheheh yes.. |
23:55:57 | ljp | thats an interesting one |
23:56:06 | bindu | Heh. |
23:56:41 | ljp | I odn thtink smallsmooth should be default font |
23:56:49 | ljp | too big |
23:57:57 | bindu | Isn't smallsmooth 9pt smaller than Helvetica 10pt which is the default? |
23:58:20 | ljp | oh.. hmm probably |
23:58:33 | ljp | I use helvetica 8 |
23:59:39 | bindu | I just tried that... things look "better" i.e. they don't look messy, but the font is hard to read :) |