irclog2html for openzaurus on 2002.09.29

irclog2html for openzaurus on 2002.09.29 00:00:06 TheMasterMind1 mounting over nfs takes forever 00:00:08 TheMasterMind1 its annoying 00:00:14 scanline TheMasterMind1: -o nolock 00:00:21 Onyx4 the reason it does is because we need portmapper 00:00:26 Onyx4 it tries to query portmapper on the client 00:00:31 Onyx4 it times out and still mounts it 00:00:38 scanline just turn off locking, we don't need portmapper 00:00:50 Onyx4 so I'll do portmapper :) 00:01:09 Onyx4 oh didn't know about that one 00:01:18 Onyx4 it's only for nlockmgr that it needs portmapper? 00:01:19 TheMasterMind1 scanline: oh then it will be fast? 00:01:22 scanline yes 00:01:26 VerxHome ok 00:01:28 TheMasterMind1 sweet 00:01:29 VerxHome other than fast load 00:01:33 TheMasterMind1 scanline++ 00:01:33 VerxHome everything seems to be working so far 00:01:34 scanline mount navi:/home/menchi -o nolock -t nfs /mnt/nfs 00:01:38 scanline hehe 00:01:39 VerxHome but if I cannot get fast load to work 00:01:43 VerxHome I will have to abandon this 00:01:48 VerxHome I cannot live without fast load 00:01:50 scanline I use NFS on my zaurus all the time to run Intimate for gdb and stuff 00:01:54 TheMasterMind1 VerxHome: go to #opie and bitch 00:02:05 TheMasterMind1 waits for this mount to finish 00:02:27 OK, scanline. 00:02:27 scanline ibot: fast nfs is Use "-o nolock", for example: mount navi:/home/menchi -o nolock -t nfs /mnt/nfs 00:02:42 TheMasterMind1 scanline: is there a way to make that default somehow for all nfs mounts 00:02:56 scanline TheMasterMind1: dunno, you could always add it to your /etc/fstab though 00:03:24 TheMasterMind1 yea, but if you do it via commandline 00:03:25 TheMasterMind1 hmm 00:03:31 VerxHome oh 00:03:31 Onyx4 http://131.152.105.154/mantis/view_bug_page.php?f_id=0000230 00:03:32 VerxHome onyz 00:03:38 scanline it's just an option for that "options" field in /etc/fstab 00:03:40 VerxHome am I to delete my /etc/fstab and then reboot? 00:03:45 VerxHome I haven't done that yet 00:03:47 Onyx4 VerxHome: no no 00:03:48 TheMasterMind1 VerxHome: why the fuck would yo udo that? 00:03:50 Onyx4 VerxHome: just edit it 00:03:59 Onyx4 just remove the line for /mnt/ram 00:04:00 VerxHome themastermind: I couldn't fathom 00:04:04 VerxHome that's why I hadn't done it 00:04:09 VerxHome but that is what onyx4 said to do 00:04:26 Onyx4 I said just remove the line for mtdram :) 00:04:33 Onyx4 not the whole fstab 00:04:35 VerxHome /dev/mtdblock6 /mnt/ram auto defaults,noatime 1 2 00:04:38 Onyx4 that one 00:04:39 VerxHome so remove that? 00:04:47 TheMasterMind1 nods 00:04:52 Onyx4 this is already fixed now, so just a matter of building a new initrd 00:05:02 carpman "am I to delete my /etc/fstab and then reboot?", that should be a quote somewhere :) 00:05:28 TheMasterMind1 heh 00:05:29 nadav heh 00:05:30 Financial Quotations and Linux headlines. URL: http://www.iae.nl/users/grimaldo/OpenSoft/quotes.shtml 00:05:30 TheMasterMind1 ibot quotes 00:05:33 myuu im back and im coherent 00:05:33 myuu =\ 00:05:38 TheMasterMind1 not that you fuckwad 00:05:49 TheMasterMind1 myuu: that's what they all say 00:06:17 myuu lol 00:07:22 TheMasterMind1 ARGH 00:07:23 scanline carpman: you could put it on the Quotes page of picogui's wiki :) 00:07:23 TheMasterMind1 wtf 00:07:25 TheMasterMind1 stupid busybox shit 00:07:31 TheMasterMind1 i can't play files with spaces in them 00:07:34 TheMasterMind1 grrr... 00:07:37 scanline carpman: I have a few non-#picogui quotes in there anyway 00:07:46 myuu god, i slept till 6pm today 00:07:50 TheMasterMind1 argh argh argh argh argh 00:08:17 VerxHome spaces are evil and wrong 00:08:19 VerxHome just so you know 00:08:26 Onyx4 myuu: what did you do last night? 00:08:30 carpman this\ is\ how\ you\ do\ it 00:08:46 Onyx4 I went to bed at 8am in the morning last night, was at a rave party in san francisco 00:08:59 myuu sounds like fun 00:09:14 Onyx4 DJ sasha was there 00:09:20 scanline cool! 00:09:21 myuu ive just been up alot this week juggling a big php project and high school 00:09:43 VerxHome damn onyx 00:09:47 VerxHome I am jealous 00:09:47 VerxHome :( 00:09:48 TheMasterMind1 hmm 00:09:54 TheMasterMind1 i hate this shit my brother downloads 00:09:56 TheMasterMind1 an .avi file 00:10:00 TheMasterMind1 that's actually asf 00:10:01 TheMasterMind1 sigh.. 00:10:15 myuu no raves in ND =\ 00:10:17 carpman myuu: I know how you feel. I'm juggling 2 php jobs, one of which pays $1800, a BIG python program I've been working on, and college. 00:10:23 myuu hate this state 00:10:44 carpman hehe, country and western raves. :) 00:10:49 scanline juggles picogui and school, but that's plenty to keep him busy 00:11:02 sambatron ipkg: /home/jorge/prog/zaurus/oz/buildroot-oz/output/ipks/opie-launcher-settings_*_arm.ipk: No such file or directory 00:11:03 sambatron make[1]: *** [/home/jorge/prog/zaurus/oz/buildroot-oz/output/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/opie-launcher-settings.control] Error 1 00:11:07 scanline I think I added like 10 bugs to my bug tracker today... 00:11:14 sambatron I get that on make image 00:11:15 scanline maybe fixed 2 of them 00:11:21 myuu roflmao! 00:11:25 myuu ya carpman, about that 00:11:25 Onyx4 has pushed opie/qte optimization fix into bk 00:11:37 sambatron ok :) 00:12:04 Onyx4 do you think building glibc with optimizations would help? 00:12:41 TheMasterMind1 hmm 00:12:47 TheMasterMind1 this movie plays great if i do -nosournd 00:12:48 TheMasterMind1 sound 00:12:49 TheMasterMind1 damn 00:12:54 TheMasterMind1 thinks of what to do.. 00:12:57 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: so now you see the same problem I had? 00:13:12 Onyx4 where sounds is sort of garbled and video plays slow 00:13:19 TheMasterMind1 well 00:13:23 TheMasterMind1 didn't check actually 00:13:27 TheMasterMind1 lemme try with headphones 00:13:35 Onyx4 put headphones, see if you hear like a humming sound in the bg 00:13:47 VerxHome op2 has horrible performance compared to tkcVideo 00:13:53 VerxHome in my experience anyway 00:13:55 Onyx4 VerxHome: strange I found the opposite 00:14:03 Onyx4 VerxHome: what -version of tkcvideo you tried? 00:14:17 TheMasterMind1 nope 00:14:19 TheMasterMind1 sounds plays fine 00:14:23 TheMasterMind1 but video is too slow if i do sound 00:14:25 VerxHome -19 00:14:28 TheMasterMind1 without sound, video plays fine 00:14:29 TheMasterMind1 :\ 00:14:36 TheMasterMind1 but its a big file so i it makes sense 00:14:39 Onyx4 ok last I looked at it was with -17 on my friend's zaurus 00:14:40 TheMasterMind1 if i reencode, its fine 00:14:42 TheMasterMind1 i bet 00:14:54 Onyx4 so maybe they added better performance dunno 00:14:56 TheMasterMind1 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 166M Aug 5 19:01 Crossroads (1of2).avi 00:15:08 Onyx4 VerxHome: did you try to play some files encoded with zmencoder in tkcvideo? 00:15:44 TheMasterMind1 hmm 00:15:53 TheMasterMind1 if i make it more notnice, it will run better 00:15:56 TheMasterMind1 ingenious 00:16:20 TheMasterMind1 too bad i can't control niceness 00:16:23 TheMasterMind1 since its not installed on the Z 00:16:32 TheMasterMind1 lets see how it is when i kill opie.. 00:16:35 TheMasterMind1 oh wait, i can't ! 00:16:36 TheMasterMind1 pos 00:16:37 Onyx4 you mean /bin/nice? 00:16:38 VerxHome Onyx4: Nope 00:16:52 TheMasterMind1 Onyx4: i dont' have it 00:16:55 Onyx4 VerxHome: ok I'd be curious to see if they work 00:17:10 Onyx4 /bin/nice is part of sh-utils 00:17:11 scanline pulls hair out 00:17:16 scanline packages/pg-server/config.in:7:parse error, unexpected T_WORD, expecting '|' or '&' or '\n' 00:17:16 scanline make: *** [xconfig] Error 1 00:17:34 scanline the offending line is just: 00:17:34 scanline default "y" 00:17:48 Onyx4 when you have depandancies put && 00:17:55 scanline ahh 00:17:58 Onyx4 for two of them 00:18:01 Onyx4 or more 00:18:09 scanline thanks! 00:18:19 scanline now to see if libpng3 compiles... 00:18:27 Onyx4 there is config_renice in busybox 00:18:34 Onyx4 so you can renice it but now /bin/nice 00:18:38 TheMasterMind1 ? 00:18:46 Onyx4 s/now/not 00:18:53 TheMasterMind1 oh i see it 00:18:55 TheMasterMind1 renice is there 00:18:55 TheMasterMind1 hmm 00:19:00 TheMasterMind1 lets see.. how can i do this 00:20:26 scanline hmm.. libpng doesn't appear in the config menu 00:20:29 VerxHome hrm 00:20:39 VerxHome neocal won't run on this version of oz it looks like. . . 00:21:09 TheMasterMind1 grr 00:21:13 TheMasterMind1 now it can't opie fbdev 00:21:13 TheMasterMind1 grr.. 00:21:18 scanline growls 00:21:31 scanline jabs xconfig with a sharp stick 00:21:53 TheMasterMind1 doh 00:22:03 TheMasterMind1 Onyx4: i hate how it doesn't do fs if the size is exactly the same as screensize 00:22:06 TheMasterMind1 i hope its fixed in pre8 00:22:37 Onyx4 yeah apparently -pre7 had lots of bugs in it 00:23:09 TheMasterMind1 hmm 00:23:13 TheMasterMind1 its not letting me renice 00:23:14 TheMasterMind1 pos 00:24:16 myuu oy...i need to learn more unix 00:24:21 TheMasterMind1 wow 00:24:23 TheMasterMind1 sloooow... 00:24:27 TheMasterMind1 renice didn't help 00:25:07 TheMasterMind1 oh well 00:25:47 Onyx4 is the sharp 5600 gonna use the same processor type and be compatible with OZ? 00:26:06 scanline Onyx4: different CPU, but it will be backwards compatible 00:26:18 scanline Onyx4: xscale can run SA-1110 instructions 00:26:20 Onyx4 because now we compile optimized for this cpu architecture 00:26:37 TheMasterMind1 i don't think so 00:26:44 TheMasterMind1 yea its xscale 00:26:46 myuu XScale 00:26:48 myuu is xscale of the arm type? 00:26:50 myuu *archecture 00:26:55 myuu oh 00:27:01 TheMasterMind1 which is why i say that sharp should send us 5600s so we can get openzaurus working on em :D 00:27:09 xscale is, like, a buggy processor, see the errata at http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/specupdt/278534.htm 00:27:09 TheMasterMind1 ibot xscale 00:27:16 scanline needs a 5600 to port picogui to :D 00:27:30 TheMasterMind1 heh 00:27:35 TheMasterMind1 first get it working on the 5500 00:27:35 scanline argh.. my libpng3 isn't showing up 00:27:37 TheMasterMind1 you lazy bum 00:27:44 TheMasterMind1 showing up ? 00:27:46 scanline TheMasterMind1: it does work on the 5500, just not in this build system 00:27:54 TheMasterMind1 you said its buggy as crap 00:28:15 scanline TheMasterMind1: no, I said there were a couple segfaults I needed to fix. they're not even in the picogui server, but in the launcher 00:28:20 TheMasterMind1 heh 00:28:24 TheMasterMind1 only a couple :) 00:28:40 scanline bah. I'd be fixing it right now if this build system wasn't giving me trouble 00:28:51 TheMasterMind1 what's wrong with buildroot? 00:28:55 TheMasterMind1 i can help with that 00:29:07 scanline the libpng3 config option I added isn't showing up0 00:29:11 scanline err, up 00:29:19 scanline and the pgserver option that was working earlier disappeared 00:29:36 TheMasterMind1 you created config.in ? 00:29:40 scanline yes 00:29:43 TheMasterMind1 its probably cuz you have a recursive dependency 00:29:44 scanline and added it to packages/config.in 00:29:50 TheMasterMind1 so it gets all confused and doens't show em 00:29:52 scanline config LIBPNG3 00:29:52 scanline boolean "Libpng3" 00:29:52 scanline depends LIBC6 00:29:52 scanline default "n" 00:29:57 scanline simple, eh? 00:30:00 TheMasterMind1 and pg? 00:30:04 TheMasterMind1 what's it have 00:30:12 scanline config PICOGUI 00:30:12 scanline boolean "PicoGUI" 00:30:12 scanline default "n" 00:30:12 scanline config PG-SERVER 00:30:13 scanline boolean "PicoGUI Server" 00:30:13 scanline default "y" 00:30:15 scanline depends LIBC6 && PICOGUI && LIBJPEG62 && LIBPNG3 00:30:24 TheMasterMind1 hmm 00:30:31 TheMasterMind1 don't do LIBC5 00:30:33 TheMasterMind1 6 00:30:40 TheMasterMind1 and what's libjpegs 00:30:41 scanline okay.. 00:30:57 TheMasterMind1 yea try it then 00:31:02 scanline config LIBJPEG62 00:31:02 scanline boolean "Libjpeg62" 00:31:03 scanline depends LIBC6 00:31:03 scanline default "y" 00:31:13 scanline no libc in libpng or pgserver? 00:31:17 TheMasterMind1 pgserver 00:31:38 scanline hrm... 00:31:42 scanline packages/config.in:24:parse error, unexpected T_WORD, expecting '\n' 00:31:51 TheMasterMind1 eh 00:31:59 TheMasterMind1 did you add those two to package/config.in ? 00:32:03 scanline yes 00:32:05 TheMasterMind1 to be included 00:32:06 TheMasterMind1 hmm 00:32:07 scanline that's the line including libpng 00:32:09 TheMasterMind1 which one is on that line 00:32:10 TheMasterMind1 png 00:32:10 TheMasterMind1 hmm 00:32:12 scanline source packages/libpng3/config.in 00:32:39 TheMasterMind1 remove that and it works? 00:32:40 TheMasterMind1 try 00:32:54 scanline well, xconfig runs if I remove it 00:33:10 scanline the "PicoGUI" option shows up, but not "PicoGUI Server" 00:33:19 TheMasterMind1 i think your embedded config thing is screwing it up 00:33:21 scanline both of them were working before.. not sure what I changed 00:33:25 TheMasterMind1 remove the the picogui option 00:33:47 scanline ok.. I just figured I should have a category to keep all the picogui stuff collapsable 00:33:55 TheMasterMind1 yea 00:33:59 TheMasterMind1 but see if it works without that first 00:34:05 scanline nods 00:34:24 scanline pgserver doesn't show up at all without that 00:34:29 TheMasterMind1 hmm 00:34:30 TheMasterMind1 wtf 00:34:36 TheMasterMind1 maybe cuz of libpng3 00:34:39 scanline oh.. 00:34:40 TheMasterMind1 that's not there and its depending on it 00:34:45 scanline maybe it doesn't like the dash in the name 00:34:51 TheMasterMind1 or that 00:34:55 scanline tries an underscore 00:35:03 TheMasterMind1 qte-2.3.4 has a dash 00:35:22 TheMasterMind1 config QTE-2.3.4 00:35:25 scanline in the name after "config"? 00:35:25 scanline hmm 00:35:35 TheMasterMind1 i think it can't find libpng3 00:35:38 scanline first tries to figure out why libpng3 doesn't work 00:35:38 TheMasterMind1 remove that dependency 00:35:44 scanline k 00:35:59 scanline no different 00:36:07 TheMasterMind1 hm 00:36:35 scanline tries a bk pull 00:36:43 TheMasterMind1 ok one by one 00:36:45 TheMasterMind1 what's libpng3 00:36:50 TheMasterMind1 's config 00:36:59 scanline config LIBPNG3 00:37:00 scanline boolean "Libpng3" 00:37:00 scanline depends LIBC6 00:37:00 scanline default "n" 00:37:10 TheMasterMind1 lemme add that 00:37:10 TheMasterMind1 one sec 00:37:43 VerxHome onyx: So far, it looks like everything but neocal 1.5 works 00:37:51 VerxHome I reverted neocal back to 1.4.4 and it works fine now 00:38:01 TheMasterMind1 ok i added that and it prompts me 00:38:02 TheMasterMind1 so that works 00:38:08 TheMasterMind1 what next 00:38:10 scanline hmm 00:38:19 scanline config PICOGUI 00:38:19 scanline boolean "PicoGUI" 00:38:20 scanline default "n" 00:38:20 scanline config PG-SERVER 00:38:20 scanline boolean "PicoGUI Server" 00:38:20 scanline default "y" 00:38:22 scanline depends PICOGUI && LIBJPEG62 00:38:44 scanline there should be a libpng3 dependency too, but i took that out temporarily 00:39:23 TheMasterMind1 hmm 00:39:25 TheMasterMind1 worked for me 00:39:27 TheMasterMind1 perfectly 00:39:31 scanline hrm... 00:39:32 TheMasterMind1 i said yes to libpng 00:39:35 TheMasterMind1 asked for picogui 00:39:37 TheMasterMind1 said yes to that 00:39:39 TheMasterMind1 asked for server 00:39:50 TheMasterMind1 PicoGUI (PICOGUI) [N/y] (NEW) y 00:39:50 TheMasterMind1 PicoGUI Server (PG-SERVER) [Y/n] (NEW) y 00:40:00 scanline that's really weird then 00:40:14 TheMasterMind1 i say no to libpng 00:40:17 TheMasterMind1 it asks for picogui 00:40:22 TheMasterMind1 but doesnt' prompt for server 00:40:32 TheMasterMind1 maybe your files got screwed up 00:40:35 TheMasterMind1 do em again 00:40:38 scanline nods 00:40:56 TheMasterMind1 its bitchy about spaces and all 00:41:04 TheMasterMind1 make is atleast 00:41:08 scanline are they supposed to be spaces or tabs? 00:41:13 VerxHome another bug 00:41:18 TheMasterMind1 i don't think it matters actually 00:41:22 TheMasterMind1 i pasted, so it was spaces 00:41:23 VerxHome it appears you cannot change the cities in the time zone list anymore 00:41:31 VerxHome anyone else notice that? 00:41:43 TheMasterMind1 no, we're developers 00:41:45 TheMasterMind1 not users :) 00:41:57 scanline ah! 00:42:07 scanline the libpng3 config.in didn't have a newline at the end 00:42:16 TheMasterMind1 VerxHome: you're using the stuff from Onyx4's feed? 00:42:18 TheMasterMind1 where's his feed btw? 00:42:19 TheMasterMind1 Onyx4: ? 00:42:24 VerxHome yes 00:42:26 TheMasterMind1 i want to download timezones and test 00:42:28 VerxHome I installed citytime from http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ 00:43:36 TheMasterMind1 testing 00:43:38 scanline TheMasterMind1: cool.. works fine here now 00:43:54 TheMasterMind1 ok, so what's not working 00:43:56 TheMasterMind1 scanline: good 00:44:04 scanline tries to compile libpng3 00:44:07 TheMasterMind1 VerxHome: if you click on a city then select another on the map 00:44:09 TheMasterMind1 it changes 00:44:10 TheMasterMind1 works for me 00:44:10 scanline hrm.. infinite make loop 00:44:18 Onyx4 VerxHome: yes it's been like that for a while 00:44:42 VerxHome themastrmind: Yes, it changes THERE, but it doesn't change back on the "set system time" dialog 00:44:47 VerxHome actually 00:44:55 VerxHome date/time just locked 00:44:57 VerxHome drat 00:45:18 TheMasterMind1 oh 00:45:20 TheMasterMind1 that's what that's for 00:45:31 TheMasterMind1 yea, same 00:45:35 TheMasterMind1 pressing ok locked it 00:45:39 VerxHome yup 00:45:39 TheMasterMind1 happened to me before too once 00:45:47 TheMasterMind1 click on the icon in the taskbar 00:45:47 Onyx4 mmm that seems like a "atd" problem 00:45:52 TheMasterMind1 it'll let you kill it 00:46:04 VerxHome oh is that new themastermind? 00:46:04 TheMasterMind1 and then opie will hang 00:46:05 TheMasterMind1 :) 00:46:09 scanline ok.. now it's looping these three commands almost infinitely: 00:46:09 TheMasterMind1 yes that's new 00:46:10 scanline touch /home/micah/sf/buildroot-oz/stamps/.pg-server.staginginstall 00:46:10 scanline make[3]: Entering directory `/home/micah/sf/buildroot-oz/packages/pg-server' 00:46:10 scanline make DESTDIR=/home/micah/sf/buildroot-oz/output/staging install;\ 00:46:12 TheMasterMind1 but it doesn't work too well 00:46:35 scanline oh, nevermind... 00:46:53 scanline forgot to cd ($SourceTree) 00:47:40 TheMasterMind1 ah i see what happened 00:47:40 scanline tests his new ipks 00:47:43 TheMasterMind1 i had killed opie-login 00:47:45 TheMasterMind1 so it was stuck 00:47:53 TheMasterMind1 VerxHome: did your opie-login come up when you killed datetime? 00:48:14 VerxHome when I clicked on "Ok", it stopped responding 00:48:17 Onyx4 so could we use opie-login to pick between opie and picogui? 00:48:19 VerxHome then I just restarted opie itself 00:48:27 TheMasterMind1 k 00:48:36 TheMasterMind1 Onyx4: hmm, maybe.. 00:48:36 myuu wtf? is there an opie login screen (like gdm)? 00:48:41 scanline Onyx4: doesn't opie-login start a full opie session though? 00:48:46 TheMasterMind1 myuu: yes 00:48:56 TheMasterMind1 no, opie-login is sepearate proggie 00:48:57 scanline Onyx4: I have a partially complete shell script menu thingy on my disk here somewhere 00:48:59 scanline ah, cool 00:49:00 TheMasterMind1 then opie starts when you login i think 00:49:05 Onyx4 myuu: so you can run as non-root, but you can remove opie-login 00:49:06 TheMasterMind1 but i have no idea 00:49:13 scanline but it depends on the opie libraries? 00:49:16 TheMasterMind1 yea, i don't like opie-login too much 00:49:20 TheMasterMind1 scanline: yea 00:49:26 TheMasterMind1 a better bootup menu would b enice 00:49:33 scanline it'd be good to have a GUI selector that either doesn't require one GUI's libs or can work with multiple frontends 00:49:35 TheMasterMind1 Console, Opie, PicoGUI 00:49:50 scanline so you can select between console and picogui, or picogui and X, or X and opie, or everything... 00:49:56 TheMasterMind1 VerxHome: any more bugs etc 00:50:04 TheMasterMind1 all the stuff you've said is opie crap 00:50:10 TheMasterMind1 so oz is doing great :) 00:50:13 VerxHome still working on it 00:50:14 VerxHome sorry man 00:50:18 VerxHome I don't know what is what anymore 00:50:18 VerxHome :) 00:50:21 TheMasterMind1 it doesn't matter 00:50:25 TheMasterMind1 it all needs to be fixed 00:50:30 TheMasterMind1 i'll keeping track of it all 00:50:35 VerxHome hrm 00:50:46 myuu i completely agree scanline 00:50:49 VerxHome tap-n-hold on a "running" icon doesn't do anything 00:50:56 TheMasterMind1 its supposed to? 00:51:07 VerxHome I thoughtyou just said it did 00:51:10 TheMasterMind1 no 00:51:11 VerxHome that you could kill an app that way 00:51:14 TheMasterMind1 it just if something is hung 00:51:15 VerxHome I must have misunderstood 00:51:17 TheMasterMind1 and you click on its icon 00:51:19 TheMasterMind1 it lets you kill it 00:51:25 TheMasterMind1 not tap and hold 00:51:25 VerxHome ok 00:51:26 TheMasterMind1 just click 00:51:30 VerxHome k 00:52:04 TheMasterMind1 so where did kergoth go anyway 00:52:09 TheMasterMind1 i hope he's fixing stuff 00:52:10 TheMasterMind1 :) 00:52:26 scanline TheMasterMind1: except for it being picky about newlines, this new config system's great :) I want to either use this or CML2 in picogui soon, as the CML-variant I'm using right now doesn't do dependencies at all and I'd really like to have dependencies 00:53:28 VerxHome hrm 00:53:29 VerxHome man 00:53:38 VerxHome so I cannot set the time or anything in date/time 00:53:39 VerxHome drat 00:53:50 Onyx4 I'm curious to know now how does the upgrade work from 2.9.5.5 to this new feed, and if ipkg upgrade ipkg , then just doing a ipkg upgrade (of everything) will work 00:54:30 Onyx4 VerxHome: is atd running? did it create /var/spool/at/trigger? 00:55:01 VerxHome ok 00:55:05 VerxHome got the date/time to work 00:55:08 VerxHome what you have to do 00:55:14 VerxHome is an /etc/init.d/atd stop 00:55:19 VerxHome then set your time and everything in date/time 00:55:26 VerxHome then do an /etc/init.d/atd start 00:55:29 VerxHome works fine that way 00:55:40 Onyx4 mmm sounds like the trigger is not getting done right 00:55:46 Onyx4 so that it doesn't release the RPC 00:55:48 Onyx4 RTC 00:56:12 TheMasterMind1 Onyx4: try upgrading from 2.9.5.5 :) 00:56:20 VerxHome ok 00:56:24 VerxHome so the only GLARING issue 00:56:27 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: I did, that's what I'm running now 00:56:32 VerxHome is that fast load is completely screwed 00:56:33 TheMasterMind1 ah 00:56:35 TheMasterMind1 you're ugprading? 00:56:52 Onyx4 Well I did already , but package by package 00:57:01 Onyx4 and overtime, so not from a clean 2.9.5.5 00:57:07 TheMasterMind1 yea 00:57:12 Onyx4 I never reflashed since then 00:57:14 TheMasterMind1 so from 2.9.5.5 new ti worked? 00:57:18 Onyx4 got too much crap installed hehe 00:57:40 TheMasterMind1 howso 00:57:48 Onyx4 but I'll reflash eventually :) 00:57:50 VerxHome 3272 root 8048 S /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/opie-login 00:57:54 VerxHome 3275 root 2684 S /usr/bin/ssh-agent /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/opie-login 00:57:58 VerxHome should I have both of those? 00:58:13 TheMasterMind1 yes 00:58:16 TheMasterMind1 its weird 00:58:17 Onyx4 yes 00:58:25 TheMasterMind1 Onyx4: can you up your feed to sf? 00:58:34 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: don't have access on sf 00:58:43 TheMasterMind1 hmm 00:58:49 TheMasterMind1 ok, i need all the ipks then 00:59:00 TheMasterMind1 how do i get your feed 00:59:04 TheMasterMind1 wget clone or something 00:59:06 TheMasterMind1 how do i do that 00:59:14 Onyx4 yeah I didn't create all of them 00:59:18 Onyx4 some are missing 00:59:20 TheMasterMind1 like what 00:59:31 TheMasterMind1 create everything except hotplug, dhcpcd and vnc 00:59:41 VerxHome what is opie-irc ? zic? 01:00:03 ljp not zic, opieirc 01:00:16 Onyx4 mmm I forgot pppd and php 01:00:30 TheMasterMind1 you can just add them to config and compile 01:00:33 TheMasterMind1 do nanoweb too 01:00:36 Onyx4 yeah 01:00:40 TheMasterMind1 VerxHome: like zic, but better 01:01:09 TheMasterMind1 Onyx4: ok, tell me when that's done and i'll put it on sf and we can have more people testing 01:01:56 VerxHome ljp: Interesting 01:01:56 VerxHome there is another fairly longstanding bug in opie 01:01:57 VerxHome if you have BOTH an MMC/SD card -*AND*- a CF card installed 01:01:57 VerxHome cardmanager doesn't show the mmc/sd 01:02:40 scanline How do I do a 'make clean' on one package? 01:03:08 Onyx4 VerxHome: yes I hit that long time ago 01:03:14 Onyx4 VerxHome: it said "SD removed" when you insert CF 01:03:20 Onyx4 VerxHome: and vice verca 01:03:30 Onyx4 VerxHome: let me see if this is filed 01:03:39 Onyx4 we should file all opie bugs BTW 01:03:44 Onyx4 otherwise they won't get fixed 01:03:44 TheMasterMind1 VerxHome: yea, its a crapshitting thing 01:04:11 VerxHome crapshitting eh? 01:04:13 TheMasterMind1 i'm writing it all down 01:04:14 VerxHome rofl 01:04:19 TheMasterMind1 VerxHome: yea, it's always done that 01:04:23 TheMasterMind1 rather annoying 01:04:29 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: I filed the fast-load bug 01:04:33 TheMasterMind1 i saw 01:04:36 Onyx4 k 01:04:40 Onyx4 we need to file the others 01:04:46 VerxHome hrm 01:04:47 TheMasterMind1 yea 01:04:54 VerxHome I -*THINK*- oipkg just locked 01:05:00 VerxHome no 01:05:05 VerxHome opie as a WHOLE locked 01:05:12 VerxHome ssh still responds tho 01:05:22 VerxHome this was after doing an install of opie-rotation 01:05:25 VerxHome can anyone test that? 01:05:42 Onyx4 opie-rotation from where? 01:06:10 Onyx4 cause the one on SF.net is from an older qt snapshot then the one we're using now 01:06:16 VerxHome from your feed onyx 01:06:21 Onyx4 k 01:06:23 TheMasterMind1 checking 01:06:46 TheMasterMind1 Onyx4: tell me when those ipks are done :) 01:06:52 Onyx4 almost done 01:06:54 myuu TMM- guess i might as well, that QPE rom that installs to SD isnt working so i have to reflash OZ, i might as well use the new rom, is the kernel more stable? 01:06:57 Onyx4 compiling nanoweb now 01:07:07 TheMasterMind1 myuu: kernel hasn't changed 01:07:15 TheMasterMind1 but the initrd.bin is 30x more stable 01:07:16 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: all done 01:07:18 TheMasterMind1 ok 01:07:19 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: oh wait 01:07:20 TheMasterMind1 all in that dir? 01:07:23 Onyx4 didn't push 01:07:26 TheMasterMind1 heh 01:07:30 VerxHome hrm 01:07:35 VerxHome opie-rotation INSTALLED 01:07:36 TheMasterMind1 ok i installed opie-rotation 01:07:39 VerxHome but the rotated fonts did not 01:07:40 TheMasterMind1 via commandline 01:07:48 TheMasterMind1 those are in qt-rotation 01:07:48 VerxHome I rotated the screen and it doesn't have any fonts 01:07:52 TheMasterMind1 its a dependency 01:07:53 VerxHome right 01:07:55 TheMasterMind1 VerxHome: i thought it locked? 01:08:02 VerxHome but it should have installed through the dependency I would think 01:08:08 VerxHome themastermind: It did 01:08:13 TheMasterMind1 how'd you get back? 01:08:17 VerxHome I had installed it to SD from oipkg 01:08:19 myuu all right, ill do it in a little while 01:08:30 VerxHome through SSH, I did an /etc/init.d/opie stop/start 01:08:42 TheMasterMind1 i did it via command line and it did the dependency and didn't lock and works fine 01:08:47 TheMasterMind1 someone else test via oipkg 01:09:01 Onyx4 ok my feed is now updated 01:09:16 TheMasterMind1 my fonts are fine too 01:09:34 ljp my feed wil lbe updated as soon as the mac and cheese gets done cooking 01:09:37 VerxHome ok 01:09:38 Xentac so... I stepped away for a little while... I assume OZ has been released now.. 01:09:44 VerxHome Imagonna rebewt it 01:09:51 Onyx4 Xentac: not quite yet heh 01:09:55 Xentac oh, ok 01:10:01 Onyx4 Xentac: but there is a pre-release image 01:10:03 Xentac figured you were testing more packages... ;o) 01:10:04 TheMasterMind1 anyone know of how to mirror stuff via wget 01:10:06 Xentac ah, I see 01:10:06 Onyx4 Xentac: you want to play around with it? 01:10:13 Xentac hmmm... 01:10:16 TheMasterMind1 i want to download everything on Onyx4's feed 01:10:26 Xentac I don't think I'm feeling well enough to think as straight as I'd like 01:10:35 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: I can make a tarball if you want 01:10:38 Xentac probably won't upgrade till he's not sick anymore... 01:10:47 TheMasterMind1 Onyx4: hmm, ok 01:11:27 Onyx4 shoud I include the packages file or that gets rebuilt or sf.net? 01:11:44 TheMasterMind1 include it 01:11:46 TheMasterMind1 and make sure its latest 01:11:49 TheMasterMind1 with nanoweb and all in it 01:11:56 Onyx4 yep it is 01:11:57 TheMasterMind1 k 01:12:48 Onyx4 note that my packages don't have the description in them, since I didn't rebuild them all 01:12:53 TheMasterMind1 ok 01:12:55 Onyx4 but they are up to date I think 01:13:00 Onyx4 I'll do a full mrproper tonight 01:13:00 TheMasterMind1 they don't show anyway 01:13:02 TheMasterMind1 so whatever 01:13:06 Onyx4 they show in oipkg 01:13:09 TheMasterMind1 oh? 01:13:11 TheMasterMind1 dont' for me.. 01:13:15 Onyx4 when you click "+" 01:13:31 TheMasterMind1 ah you're right 01:13:35 TheMasterMind1 they weren't on my old rom 01:13:35 noda Has anyone gotten (in the ./configure stage of bash) "checking for restartable system calls... configure: error: cannot run test program while cross compiling"? 01:13:38 TheMasterMind1 must have been fixed 01:13:41 Onyx4 k the file called feed-onyx4.tar.bz2 download that 01:14:05 Onyx4 noda: don't select bash 01:14:11 Onyx4 noda: start with the def-config/openzaurus 01:14:12 TheMasterMind1 ok thanks 01:14:13 noda Oh, hehe, good solution :) 01:14:14 TheMasterMind1 downloading.. 01:14:16 nishi hello pplz 01:14:27 VerxHome themastermind, I am installing to flash now 01:14:32 VerxHome at commandline 01:14:36 VerxHome (opie-rotation) 01:15:05 TheMasterMind1 k 01:15:10 TheMasterMind1 nishi: hi 01:15:18 VerxHome still no fonts 01:15:27 VerxHome I have qt-embedded-rotation installed 01:15:34 VerxHome is that what supposedly provides the fonts? 01:16:20 noda Damn is this buildroot-oz stuff ever cool :) 01:16:31 VerxHome noda: Kergoth is a god 01:16:38 TheMasterMind1 VerxHome: restart opie 01:16:41 noda agrees. 01:16:42 TheMasterMind1 noda: :) 01:16:43 VerxHome I did 01:16:43 Onyx4 VerxHome: yes 01:16:45 VerxHome didn't help 01:16:46 TheMasterMind1 hmm 01:16:48 TheMasterMind1 works for me 01:16:49 TheMasterMind1 weird 01:16:54 TheMasterMind1 where are the fonts screwed up? 01:17:02 VerxHome there WERE no fonts 01:17:06 VerxHome let me try a different rotation 01:17:06 VerxHome sec 01:17:22 TheMasterMind1 which rotation did you do 01:17:24 TheMasterMind1 i did the second down 01:17:46 VerxHome I have tried second down, and third down 01:17:49 VerxHome neither had any fonts 01:17:59 VerxHome what all does opie-rotation depend on? 01:18:06 VerxHome only qt-embedded-rotation? 01:18:07 VerxHome or more? 01:18:31 Onyx4 Mastermind, is this testing/Sept28 the optimized one? 01:19:27 TheMasterMind1 yes 01:19:39 TheMasterMind1 VerxHome: that's it 01:19:44 VerxHome ok 01:19:51 VerxHome perhaps it doesn't enjoy being installed to SD 01:20:04 TheMasterMind1 well 01:20:06 TheMasterMind1 via commandline 01:20:11 TheMasterMind1 installing to nonroot wont' work 01:20:12 TheMasterMind1 non / 01:20:16 TheMasterMind1 because it doesn't symlink 01:20:23 TheMasterMind1 via oipkg, it should 01:20:27 VerxHome right 01:20:32 VerxHome I did an install to SD from oipkg 01:20:35 VerxHome that locked opie 01:20:41 VerxHome then I did an install from the commandline 01:20:56 TheMasterMind1 to sd? 01:20:58 VerxHome but it didn't put it in /usr/lib/ipkg/status 01:21:09 VerxHome so I think it somehow installed it to SD again 01:21:59 TheMasterMind1 yea 01:22:01 TheMasterMind1 that's tricky 01:22:04 TheMasterMind1 you should remove it from sd frist 01:22:09 VerxHome I did 01:22:12 TheMasterMind1 ipkg -d sd remove whatever. 01:22:16 VerxHome but I don't think it properly removed itself 01:23:16 VerxHome there we go 01:23:23 TheMasterMind1 what was wrong and how did you fix it 01:23:24 VerxHome moral of the story - don't install opie-rotation to SD 01:23:27 VerxHome it isn't happy there 01:23:46 VerxHome well, I nuked everything from /mnt/card that had to do with either rotation package 01:23:53 VerxHome and removed all traces from the status file 01:23:58 VerxHome then reinstalled from commandline 01:24:00 VerxHome and it works now 01:24:14 TheMasterMind1 k 01:24:15 TheMasterMind1 good 01:24:23 VerxHome ok 01:24:23 VerxHome man 01:24:30 TheMasterMind1 we need a field in ipks that tell it if it has to be installed in a ceratin place 01:24:34 VerxHome only thing I seem to be missing is fast load 01:25:14 TheMasterMind1 hmm 01:25:45 VerxHome ok 01:25:45 VerxHome um 01:25:50 VerxHome here is a rather massive issue 01:25:53 VerxHome no suspend 01:25:53 VerxHome :) 01:25:58 TheMasterMind1 what do you mean 01:26:02 TheMasterMind1 suspend works for me.. 01:26:08 VerxHome what I mean is 01:26:13 VerxHome if I hold down the cancel button 01:26:16 VerxHome absolutely nothing occurs 01:26:21 TheMasterMind1 does for me 01:26:25 VerxHome same with menu 01:26:29 TheMasterMind1 does for me 01:26:29 VerxHome it doesn't turn off the backlight 01:26:33 TheMasterMind1 did you remove apmd? 01:26:41 VerxHome hrm 01:26:45 VerxHome something is serious wrong 01:26:47 VerxHome no buttons are working 01:26:50 VerxHome lemme reboot it 01:26:52 TheMasterMind1 ah 01:26:52 TheMasterMind1 lol 01:26:52 VerxHome sec 01:27:01 VerxHome blah 01:27:03 VerxHome ok 01:27:05 TheMasterMind1 sounds like a chvt problem 01:27:08 VerxHome I removed it from the cradle 01:27:11 VerxHome and it died 01:27:13 VerxHome total lockup 01:27:13 TheMasterMind1 ick 01:27:31 TheMasterMind1 ick 01:27:41 VerxHome putting it back in the cradle doesn't let me ssh into it either 01:27:53 TheMasterMind1 i think you removed an important ipk or something 01:27:57 TheMasterMind1 reboot and see what happens 01:27:58 VerxHome nope 01:28:01 VerxHome I didn't 01:28:15 TheMasterMind1 btw, did tkc apps and all run? 01:28:23 VerxHome yes, they all did 01:28:42 TheMasterMind1 cool 01:28:44 TheMasterMind1 that's good 01:28:53 VerxHome ok, rebooting now 01:28:56 TheMasterMind1 k 01:29:09 VerxHome I think it may have been related to ejecting my CF card 01:29:19 VerxHome cuz I did that before I pulled it from the cradle 01:29:20 TheMasterMind1 i think one of your earlier problems might have caused the keys and lockup thing 01:29:23 TheMasterMind1 ah 01:29:25 TheMasterMind1 that might have been it 01:29:28 TheMasterMind1 did you umount it? 01:29:34 VerxHome sorry, but I had forgotten that 01:29:36 VerxHome yes, I did 01:29:39 TheMasterMind1 hmm 01:29:41 TheMasterMind1 lemme try that 01:29:44 TheMasterMind1 you did it via cardmon? 01:29:46 kergoth Why did an initrd.bin get released without the new groups to facilitate adding a usable opie user, and the device permissions changes? 01:29:50 VerxHome I sure did 01:29:59 TheMasterMind1 kergoth: cuz you disapeared 01:30:05 TheMasterMind1 its not "released" technically 01:30:13 TheMasterMind1 we're just testing optimizations 01:30:21 kergoth TheMasterMind1: its a testing rom on the *official* sf area. 01:30:32 scanline hiya kergoth 01:30:38 TheMasterMind1 blame scanline! 01:30:41 TheMasterMind1 he told me to put it on sf 01:30:43 TheMasterMind1 hides 01:30:43 kergoth TheMasterMind1: I do not want further "releases" without consulting me. I have a process, and specific plans for target points. 01:30:49 TheMasterMind1 kergoth: alright 01:30:57 kergoth TheMasterMind1: if you want to do testing roms, fine, do it on your own servers. 01:31:18 TheMasterMind1 k 01:32:08 kergoth I had shit to do. Had to help friends out. 01:32:16 kergoth not going to sit on my ass all day on a saturday 01:32:21 kergoth heh 01:32:30 Onyx4 kergoth: seems like optimizations are working fine, 3-4 people tested the initrd and so far so good, we found some opie bugs but not probably related to that 01:32:34 ljp but... kergoth... we... missed you... 01:32:39 TheMasterMind1 re-evaluates his life 01:32:45 kergoth smacks ljp with a Z cradle 01:32:52 TheMasterMind1 why do i sit my ass all day on a saturday 01:33:07 kergoth Onyx4: good. a completely untested rom should not be distributed on the official site. 01:33:11 TheMasterMind1 kergoth: well, our "testing" rom runs great 01:33:16 kergoth TheMasterMind1: good. 01:33:18 kergoth glad to hear it. 01:33:25 TheMasterMind1 yep 01:33:26 VerxHome this new version is VERY much better in a ton of different ways 01:33:28 kergoth but we are *going* to have a process for this. 01:33:31 TheMasterMind1 and scanline is working on picogui thing 01:33:36 VerxHome the ONLY issue I have that is difficult is the fast load 01:33:37 Onyx4 kergoth: yeah the idea was for mastermind to put it on his server just so that d/l speed is better 01:33:39 VerxHome that is hurting me 01:33:41 scanline trying to... 01:33:47 Onyx4 didn't know he was gonna put it on SF.net 01:33:50 VerxHome and the CF stuff seems to have the same old issues it did before 01:33:52 TheMasterMind1 yea, its my fault 01:34:05 kergoth putting it on openzaurus.sf.net, even in the testing area, makes people assume its officlal 01:34:17 kergoth and given those assumptions, will associate any strange bugs do to our testing work with openzaurus as a whole 01:34:35 scanline kergoth: how about creating an "unofficial" directory on the web server, and removing group access from everything else? 01:34:51 kergoth I dont want that. I will establish a nightly *unstable*, not a *testing* rom. testing is relegated to release by myself. 01:34:53 kergoth scanline: good idea. 01:35:09 kergoth mutters and starts writing the openzaurus policy manual 01:35:18 kergoth am glad everything is being good though 01:35:20 kergoth nice work you guys 01:35:41 kergoth I appreciate the assistance. managing everything in a distribution takes a bit of work, as you've noticed 01:35:44 Onyx4 one bug I think that is new is that we can't change the time without stopping atd 01:35:56 VerxHome onyx4: That isn't new 01:35:59 kergoth Onyx4: thats been reported on multiple occasions, but never isolated. 01:36:01 kergoth yep 01:36:04 VerxHome I have NEVER been able to set time in oz without doing that 01:36:06 kergoth Onyx4: i've never seen it, to date 01:36:12 VerxHome kergoth: The new twist tho 01:36:13 VerxHome is that 01:36:13 kergoth Onyx4: works flawless on my unit 100% of the time 01:36:16 kergoth Onyx4: tis odd 01:36:21 VerxHome if you try it now 01:36:24 TheMasterMind1 VerxHome: so, your keys fixed on reboot? 01:36:27 VerxHome date/time locks up when you tap "ok" 01:36:31 VerxHome themastermind: Yup 01:36:35 TheMasterMind1 ok 01:36:44 kergoth netsystemtime locks up when there's no internet connection btw 01:36:47 VerxHome themastermind: I confirmed it was a CF issue - still can't use my 256MB CF cards in OZ at all 01:36:48 kergoth there are various opie bugs like that 01:36:49 scanline How can I "make clean" a package in OZ? 01:36:55 TheMasterMind1 kergoth: can we use testing-optimized on sf? 01:36:59 kergoth scanline: make SUBDIRS=packages/blah clean 01:37:04 scanline kergoth: thanks 01:37:05 kergoth TheMasterMind1: no. 01:37:08 TheMasterMind1 or maybe rename that to unofficial 01:37:14 kergoth TheMasterMind1: there are 3 states. stable, testing, and unstable. 01:37:21 kergoth TheMasterMind1: untested changes are *unstable*, not *testing* 01:37:39 TheMasterMind1 ok 01:37:49 TheMasterMind1 unofficial/unstable/optimized/ then? 01:38:14 kergoth essentially 01:38:22 Onyx4 kergoth: so I commited the fix for opie optimizations, if we want to revert it, all we need to do is change -xplatform to sharp instead of oz, and everything go back to normal 01:38:37 kergoth Onyx4: yep, thats why i wanted it done that way :) 01:38:43 Onyx4 k 01:38:46 kergoth what klogd stuff was removed from busybox? 01:39:09 Onyx4 I made a typo 01:39:12 TheMasterMind1 i patched it to remove -q option that wasn't working in the startup script 01:39:15 Onyx4 left some invalid options for busybox klogd 01:39:15 nadav ugh 01:39:32 TheMasterMind1 nadav: ? 01:39:47 kergoth TheMasterMind1: good. removing -q was already in my tree, but never committed :) 01:39:51 kergoth TheMasterMind1: glad thats taken care of 01:39:52 nadav TheMasterMind1: just ISP being annoying :P 01:40:43 Xentac for everyone who doesn't think that computer humour is corny: 01:40:45 Xentac http://picogui.org/wiki/view/Main/ToCOrNotToC 01:40:49 TheMasterMind1 nadav: ok 01:41:59 nadav does oz sync well? 01:42:06 TheMasterMind1 ok, we're using openzaurus.sf.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ now 01:43:07 scanline kergoth: I have libpng3 and pg-server converted so far 01:43:21 kergoth scanline: great 01:43:49 noda Hrm, my build seems to have halted on busybox checkout (util-linux/umount.c). Anyone else have that problem? 01:43:58 TheMasterMind1 kergoth: hey, i was thinking. can we add a field to ipks that tells it if it needs to be installed in the root or of it can be installed elsewhere, such as sd/cf 01:44:08 TheMasterMind1 like opie-rotation / qt-rotation don't work on sd 01:44:08 kergoth TheMasterMind1: talk to the ipkg developers. 01:44:14 TheMasterMind1 ok, but is it a good idea? 01:44:18 kergoth TheMasterMind1: adding a field that isnt official is useless 01:44:21 kergoth TheMasterMind1: no 01:44:25 TheMasterMind1 ok 01:44:27 kergoth imho 01:44:30 kergoth but talk to jamey 01:44:33 kergoth in #handhelds.org 01:44:33 TheMasterMind1 alright 01:44:40 kergoth he's the primary ipkg developer 01:44:42 kergoth among other things 01:44:45 kergoth he's one of the main guys behind familiar 01:46:32 kergoth TheMasterMind1: chmod g+ws /home/groups/o/op/openzaurus/htdocs/unofficial 01:46:38 TheMasterMind1 k 01:47:39 kergoth TheMasterMind1: same for every dir in there 01:47:42 kergoth TheMasterMind1: unstable, etc 01:47:58 kergoth TheMasterMind1: and just g+w on the files 01:47:58 TheMasterMind1 done 01:48:07 kergoth um 01:48:16 kergoth the feed dir is still g=sx, no write access for group 01:48:21 kergoth okay, there 01:48:23 kergoth good 01:48:34 TheMasterMind1 k 01:48:37 kergoth TheMasterMind1: chmod g-s on the files, and only teh files, not the dirs 01:49:14 TheMasterMind1 there 01:49:22 kergoth okay, great. 01:49:24 kergoth thanks 01:50:27 TheMasterMind1 *sigh* 01:50:40 TheMasterMind1 stupid devel machine 01:51:02 nadav does intelllisync's file transfer feature work with oz? 01:51:11 TheMasterMind1 it should 01:51:17 nadav ok 01:51:54 scanline tries loading a 1600x1200 .bmp file on his zaurus 01:52:12 TheMasterMind1 heh 01:52:14 TheMasterMind1 smart 01:52:20 nadav whats the default ip usbd0 gets? 01:52:29 kergoth nadav: 192.168.129.201 01:52:31 TheMasterMind1 192.168.129.201 01:52:31 kergoth nadav: on the Z 01:52:33 nadav ok 01:52:35 TheMasterMind1 heh 01:52:47 nadav let's see if file transfer works 01:52:47 TheMasterMind1 VerxHome: so, how do you like this optimized oz? 01:52:57 scanline hey, it loads fine 01:53:02 scanline TheMasterMind1: :P 01:53:03 TheMasterMind1 scanline: heh 01:53:05 TheMasterMind1 what program? 01:53:17 scanline PicoGUI's imgview app 01:53:23 TheMasterMind1 cool 01:53:24 scanline some scrolling bugs though... 01:53:31 Onyx4 nadav: file transfers never worked great, they hang most often on large ones, let me know if they work now :) 01:53:31 TheMasterMind1 fix the bugs! 01:53:37 scanline working on it! 01:53:49 scanline hehe... this is from top, with the big image loaded: 01:53:51 scanline 657 S 467 0 5624 kB 3664 kB pgserver 01:53:59 TheMasterMind1 :) 01:54:19 scanline only twice as much as sshd 01:54:32 nadav Onyx4: it seems like intellisync cant even talk to it 01:54:38 nadav yeah 01:54:40 nadav no response from partner 01:54:50 TheMasterMind1 are ips set right? 01:54:51 Onyx4 can you ping it? 01:54:55 TheMasterMind1 does intellisync use ftp? 01:55:11 nadav i can't ping it 01:55:15 nadav i have the Z set as 192.168.129.201 01:55:21 nadav i could try setting it as 192.168.0.2 01:55:23 TheMasterMind1 and desktop? 01:55:24 nadav like i did with the sharp rom 01:55:30 TheMasterMind1 yea, try that 01:55:33 Onyx4 the desktop should be 192.168.129.200 01:55:33 scanline takes maybe 6 seconds to load the image, when running imgview remotely over 802.11. It's limited by the wireless bandwidth 01:55:40 TheMasterMind1 heh 01:55:41 TheMasterMind1 impressive 01:56:08 nadav ah 01:56:12 scanline I don't know why the vertical scrollbar isn't appearing... 01:56:15 nadav the desktop is still 192.168.0.1 from before 01:56:25 nadav i'm too lazy to do tcp/ip through usb right now 01:56:26 scanline I'll fix these bugs after I get all the build scripts converted, right now I'm running most of it manually 01:56:30 nadav so i'll set it back to 192.168.129.200 01:56:32 Onyx4 nadav: ok change it to the ip i told you 01:57:13 TheMasterMind1 kergoth: can you push changes to kernel? 01:57:25 nadav waits 01:57:31 nadav hm 01:57:33 nadav still no response 01:57:46 nadav wait 01:57:47 nadav it pings. 01:57:53 TheMasterMind1 k 01:58:04 nadav but file transfer doesn't work 01:58:27 nadav weird 01:58:31 Onyx4 go into security 01:58:36 Onyx4 in settings 01:58:43 Onyx4 set to allow talk to the IP set youre using 01:58:54 nadav ah 01:59:04 Onyx4 OZ is "Secure" by default 01:59:08 Onyx4 lol 01:59:13 VerxHome themastermind: Seems nice except for lack of fast load. :) 01:59:34 nadav prays 01:59:51 nadav bleh 02:00:04 Onyx4 bleh? good/bad? 02:00:09 TheMasterMind1 Onyx4: ok, the ipks are up too now 02:00:10 nadav wait.. 02:00:12 nadav progress ;) 02:00:27 nadav aha! 02:00:28 nadav works. 02:00:42 Onyx4 did you try a large file like 50-100mb? 02:00:47 nadav nah 02:01:03 nadav can you transfer files to CF/SD using intellisync? 02:01:10 TheMasterMind1 no clue 02:01:11 TheMasterMind1 try it 02:01:27 nadav i dont think you can 02:01:35 TheMasterMind1 ok all the unstable unofficial optmized stuff is up 02:01:38 nadav installs kbill 02:02:15 nadav there we go 02:02:26 Onyx4 nadav: if you install stuff, make sure to change your feed location to the right unstable/untested directory 02:02:30 Onyx4 in /etc/ipkg.conf 02:02:31 scanline ah.. this handles 1280x1024 images great 02:02:39 Onyx4 since the one by default is the stable feed 02:02:44 scanline I need a zoom mode 02:02:45 nadav onyx: what should i change it to? 02:02:59 Onyx4 http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ 02:03:03 nadav ah 02:03:04 nadav ok 02:03:29 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: delete that tarball out of there :) 02:03:32 TheMasterMind1 ok 02:04:06 TheMasterMind1 done 02:04:50 Onyx4 nadav: then oipkg -> file -> update 02:04:58 Onyx4 then close restart oipkg and then install stuff 02:05:13 Onyx4 did you guys notice that oipkg acts weird when you say "update" the feed list, I have to restart it to act ok 02:05:17 TheMasterMind1 yea 02:05:21 TheMasterMind1 it always does that 02:05:41 Onyx4 im surprised they are making all these changes to opie, but they aren't focusing on the core of it, getting a good stable package manager 02:05:55 TheMasterMind1 well 02:05:58 TheMasterMind1 the core is actually ipkg 02:05:58 VerxHome opie is fairly misdirected 02:05:59 TheMasterMind1 which sucks 02:06:02 TheMasterMind1 and needs to be fixed 02:06:13 TheMasterMind1 then you can improve oipkg and aqpkg 02:06:31 ljp did youinstall the embedix arm stuff? 02:06:34 ljp whoops 02:06:35 VerxHome opie devs are doing all kinds of things instead of making a core of opie that is stable and reliable and THEN going on from there 02:07:21 ljp so 02:07:31 ljp opie is never stable 02:09:18 scanline whee.. 400 button widgets 02:09:31 ljp hmm 02:09:31 TheMasterMind1 :) 02:09:41 TheMasterMind1 beat THAT opie! 02:10:00 ljp if you guys dont like opie, no one is making you use it 02:10:18 VerxHome heh 02:10:24 VerxHome I don't dislike opie 02:10:28 ljp if you dont care for the direction we are taking it, you ar efree to start your own fork 02:10:31 scanline I don't dislike opie, I just try to work on something better :) 02:10:38 VerxHome I just think some of the decisions the opie team makes are confusing 02:10:41 TheMasterMind1 finds ljp's defensive attitude immensly amusing 02:10:50 scanline http://handhelds.org/scap/port.8921.png 02:10:52 ljp well, scanline.. 02:11:07 ljp is very grumpy from this chest cold 02:11:12 TheMasterMind1 scanline: haha 02:11:26 Onyx4 how do you get the buttons like that scanline? 02:11:35 Onyx4 the aqua theme 02:11:42 TheMasterMind1 Onyx4: its picogui :) 02:11:46 scanline Onyx4: I load aqua.th into the server, and the buttons magically do that :) 02:12:00 Onyx4 ha thought this was opie with liquid 02:12:05 scanline hehe 02:12:19 ljp ya, as if opie couldnt do that 02:12:23 nadav ah 02:12:27 TheMasterMind1 lol 02:12:29 scanline http://handhelds.org/scap/port.21078.png <-- 1280x1024 image, says so in the titlebar 02:12:34 nadav looks like intellisync automatically transfers files to CF 02:12:45 Onyx4 nadav: ok that's good 02:12:48 nadav Onyx4: yeah. 02:12:53 nadav i wonder how it decides 02:12:57 nadav in a case where you have SD and CF> 02:13:09 nadav tries to install prboom 02:13:43 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: does kismet still works for u? I get a libncurses problem not finding some symbols 02:13:55 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: maybe we need to recompile it with the new staging area 02:14:25 TheMasterMind1 yea, and there's a new version out 02:14:28 nadav jesus 02:14:30 TheMasterMind1 2.4.6 -> 2.6.0 02:14:33 TheMasterMind1 i converted it 02:14:39 TheMasterMind1 but its on a machine that' down 02:14:43 ljp if you find bugs in opie, you can submit bugs to http://www.opie.info/bugs/ 02:14:44 TheMasterMind1 i can't get to it until monday 02:14:46 TheMasterMind1 so wait :) 02:14:57 Onyx4 ljp: we're planning to, I already did one today 02:15:09 Onyx4 we're building up a list, validating them and we'll sumbit for sure 02:15:11 ljp good. :) 02:15:16 scanline the scrolling is a tiny bit slow with those 400 buttons... 02:15:26 scanline files a bug report 02:15:28 ljp ok, I want 20 bug reports by 0600 02:15:45 ljp my localtime 02:15:47 ljp heh 02:15:54 Onyx4 if you want to make Verx happy, see if you can fix fastload :) 02:16:06 VerxHome ljp doesn't wanna make me happy 02:16:09 VerxHome he has a chestcold 02:16:11 VerxHome he needs to sleep 02:16:17 VerxHome and take some nyquil or something 02:16:32 ljp fastload sounds like sandman likes to do that 02:18:12 ljp doesnt like drugs like nyquil 02:18:24 VerxHome well 02:18:27 VerxHome point is 02:18:34 VerxHome you need to take something for your chest cold 02:18:42 ljp I am .. water 02:18:52 VerxHome actually, water will help you a lot 02:19:04 ljp nyquil doesnt do anything cept make me drunk 02:22:09 Onyx4 ljp: take "dayquil" 02:22:17 ljp no 02:22:17 Onyx4 it's same without the alchohol 02:22:26 nadav wtf 02:22:31 nadav file transfer only says it saves to CF 02:22:33 nadav it actually doesn't 02:23:12 Onyx4 nadav: it saved them into /root/Documents right? 02:23:27 Onyx4 I think the intellysync has no idea where it puts the files, it just assumes 02:23:32 nadav yes. 02:23:39 nadav well.. OZ says it's in CF 02:25:28 nadav sighs 02:26:38 nadav crap 02:28:20 Onyx4 what's up? 02:28:41 nadav how can i transfer files straight to CF? 02:28:50 Onyx4 use "scp" 02:28:53 nadav ? 02:29:02 Onyx4 ssh = secure shell protocol 02:29:08 nadav i know what ssh is.. 02:29:11 Onyx4 get a SCP client 02:29:28 nadav for the Z? 02:29:32 Onyx4 scp is like "ftp" but it's secure and uses ssh server 02:29:37 nadav ok 02:29:37 Onyx4 it's already installed on the Z 02:29:41 Onyx4 all you need is scp for windows 02:29:42 nadav i know 02:29:45 nadav ah. 02:29:53 Onyx4 you can get "putty" 02:30:01 nadav yeah, i have putty 02:30:02 Onyx4 that's a command line scp client 02:30:15 Onyx4 putty-scp or something like that 02:30:17 nadav oh. 02:30:30 Onyx4 do you do scp localfile root@zaurusip:/mnt/cf/ 02:31:05 nadav i'll try 02:32:31 nadav Usage: pscp [options] [user@]host:source target 02:32:32 nadav pscp [options] source [source...] [user@]host:target 02:32:32 nadav pscp [options] -ls user@host:filespec 02:32:33 nadav erm 02:38:38 Onyx4 so pscp c:\temp\toto root@192.168.129.201:/mnt/cf 02:39:06 Onyx4 it may not like the leading "/" I gave you originally 02:39:32 nadav oh 02:39:58 nadav ah 02:39:59 nadav sweet 02:40:23 Onyx4 I use scp all the time 02:40:38 nadav i've never heard of it before 02:41:08 Onyx4 well it's like "rcp" from the rlogin/rcp sets of unix tools 02:41:27 BZFlag but secure. ;-) 02:41:56 nadav heh 02:42:18 BZFlag on unix you can do "scp user@foo.example.com:/tmp/file user@bar.example.com:/tmp/" too 02:42:35 BZFlag but I seem to recall that pscp did not like that. 02:42:59 Onyx4 yeah 02:43:06 Onyx4 I think we'll need to update the FAQ pretty soon 02:43:14 Onyx4 we get asked some questions over and over again 02:43:18 Onyx4 or maybe a how-to 02:43:27 Onyx4 kinda like an initial walk-trough of OZ 02:43:49 BZFlag yep. 02:50:23 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: you still here 02:52:46 ljp ok.. I am _finally_ flashing again 02:52:59 ljp now its my turn to bitch about opie 02:53:01 TheMasterMind1 yea 02:53:02 TheMasterMind1 what's up 02:53:10 Onyx4 ljp hehe you flashing our latest image? 02:53:18 ljp I guess so 02:53:23 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: what's the outstanding list of bugs we need to check for opie 02:53:42 ljp resume/suspend 02:53:51 Onyx4 well that we worked around 02:54:01 Onyx4 with the patch I did to use apm -s 02:54:10 ljp sandman gave kergoth something to test out 02:54:23 Onyx4 yep, we're gonna use the workaround while we nail it down 02:54:30 Onyx4 so we don't affect everyone's stability :) 02:55:08 Onyx4 nishi says there's some problem with settings time 02:55:09 ljp I bet anything is holding open the file descriptor that mucking it up 02:55:41 TheMasterMind1 hmm 02:55:49 TheMasterMind1 did kergoth come back? 02:56:04 TheMasterMind1 ok 02:56:06 TheMasterMind1 opie bugs 02:56:07 TheMasterMind1 lets see 02:56:11 Onyx4 ok I'm gonna file the bug about cardmon for the SD/CF invalid status 02:56:30 Onyx4 where it says SD removed when you insert CF, and vice versa 02:56:43 ljp just make sure its an opie bug, not oz bug 02:56:53 ljp oh 02:56:57 ljp hmm 02:57:10 Onyx4 but SD is still there :) just not showing up in cardmon 02:58:17 ljp sticks his sd in 02:58:32 Onyx4 so if you have sd in, then insert CF 02:58:43 Onyx4 it needs to be a CF memory card, wireless doesn't do it 02:58:49 Onyx4 something that'll change /etc/mtab basically 02:59:20 TheMasterMind1 fastload, ability to change all backgrounds, record color chosen in background color chooser so you can go back to it quickly in other background places, opie-datetime crashes if atd isn't stopped, cancel on embeddedkonsole doesn't close it, oipkg needs to be restarted after a update from feed, opie-login tries to use current font on a big size (doesn't work with most fonts), opie-login doesn't obey light and power settings, opie- 02:59:20 TheMasterMind1 to load .profile at login, cf insertions prompts a sd removal in cardmon, opie-login needs ability to let you go to console 02:59:24 TheMasterMind1 there's the list 02:59:39 ljp ahh ya 02:59:42 TheMasterMind1 and also, umopapisdn said his cf wasn't mounting, that's an oz issue.. along with the vnc not working 03:00:07 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: umopapisdn|away sais when he tried our initrd the cf was mounting 03:00:12 Onyx4 so he was outdated 03:00:16 TheMasterMind1 k 03:00:19 ljp cancel on embeddedkonsole will never close the app 03:00:23 TheMasterMind1 ok 03:00:26 TheMasterMind1 fine 03:00:39 Onyx4 ljp thought cancel only did esc ? :) 03:00:41 ljp vi wont work with that if it closes 03:00:44 Onyx4 didn't know it would close it 03:00:50 TheMasterMind1 ljp: ah, yes :) 03:01:14 TheMasterMind1 crosses that one out 03:01:27 ljp hmm dont know about that datetime thing.. migh tbe oz 03:04:07 TheMasterMind1 maybe 03:04:18 Onyx4 maybe we should create a BUGS file in our bk tree? just so we can jot them down amd mark them with "r" for reported "f" fixed etc... or find a good bug tracking system 03:04:42 ljp on firstboot, after login, you might want to run systemtime app 03:04:42 TheMasterMind1 heh 03:04:42 TheMasterMind1 ok 03:04:51 TheMasterMind1 ljp: hm, good idea 03:05:38 ljp and city time needs to be in by default 03:05:55 TheMasterMind1 i'll add that 03:06:03 ljp systemtime runs citytime ;) 03:06:16 TheMasterMind1 hmm 03:06:19 TheMasterMind1 we have netsystemtime 03:07:16 ljp thats different 03:07:35 ljp not everyone has a net connection 03:08:04 TheMasterMind1 so why is it default 03:08:09 TheMasterMind1 isnt' there a opie-systemtime? 03:08:10 nadav does opie-remote work? 03:08:10 ljp dunno 03:08:12 TheMasterMind1 that's not installed 03:08:27 ljp there should be systemtime and citytime 03:08:33 Onyx4 we just added citytime btw 03:08:44 Onyx4 to the default, didn't it get installed? 03:08:59 TheMasterMind1 hmm? 03:09:04 Onyx4 oh did kergoth switch to netsystime? 03:09:05 TheMasterMind1 i just pushed something 03:09:08 TheMasterMind1 with citytime as default 03:09:11 TheMasterMind1 err 03:09:15 TheMasterMind1 i added citytime and pushed 03:09:18 TheMasterMind1 just now 03:09:24 TheMasterMind1 i dunno what's up with netsystemtime 03:09:29 Onyx4 there are two apps to set time, systemtime and netsystime 03:09:32 TheMasterMind1 but seems systemtime is also on my zaurus 03:09:33 ljp cool, you added advancedfm and clock ;) 03:09:39 Onyx4 netsystime is still experimental since it's fairly new 03:09:45 TheMasterMind1 yea 03:09:49 ljp and not everyone has a net connect 03:09:50 TheMasterMind1 *shrug* 03:09:53 TheMasterMind1 ljp: yep 03:09:57 Onyx4 we should switch bak to the normal one, we don't even have ntpdate installed 03:10:01 Onyx4 netsystimes needs ntpdate 03:10:30 TheMasterMind1 well 03:10:32 TheMasterMind1 look at the Z 03:10:36 TheMasterMind1 netsystemtime isn't installed 03:10:39 TheMasterMind1 systemtime is 03:10:46 TheMasterMind1 but in the Makefile, its weird 03:10:51 TheMasterMind1 kergoth probably knows 03:10:52 TheMasterMind1 we'll ask him 03:11:02 Onyx4 checking.. 03:11:24 Onyx4 ok no we use netsystime 03:11:30 Onyx4 and we have citytime listed twice 03:11:51 TheMasterMind1 we do? 03:12:05 Onyx4 do a search on city in vi 03:12:07 Onyx4 you'll see 03:12:11 TheMasterMind1 beh 03:12:12 TheMasterMind1 fix it 03:12:13 TheMasterMind1 :\ 03:12:19 Onyx4 do you see that in your copy as well? 03:12:22 TheMasterMind1 yes 03:12:23 Onyx4 just checking ot make sure 03:12:25 Onyx4 ok 03:12:26 TheMasterMind1 i added the extra one 03:12:26 TheMasterMind1 my bad 03:12:35 Onyx4 I'll fix it and remove netsystime to just systemtime 03:12:43 TheMasterMind1 hmm k 03:12:47 Onyx4 until it's more stable and we port ntpdate 03:14:00 TheMasterMind1 k 03:14:05 TheMasterMind1 sounds good 03:14:17 Onyx4 because netsystime wasn't even working until like a week ago 03:14:23 Onyx4 they just redid it 03:15:39 TheMasterMind1 so what else is pending 03:15:46 TheMasterMind1 opie as nonroot i guess 03:15:50 TheMasterMind1 with all users/groups fixed 03:15:51 Onyx4 bk pull 03:15:52 TheMasterMind1 kergoth's doing that 03:16:24 Onyx4 I bet that with regular systemtime all the problems people have with time and stuff will be gone 03:16:38 Onyx4 cause I never saw this before with systemtime 03:17:05 Onyx4 brb 03:17:12 TheMasterMind1 hmm 03:17:14 TheMasterMind1 you might be right 03:19:02 VerxHome oipkg still has a problem installing stuff that has been installed/uninstalled before 03:20:12 TheMasterMind1 it always has 03:20:13 TheMasterMind1 always will 03:20:18 TheMasterMind1 its a problem with ipkg 03:20:25 VerxHome ahhh 03:20:25 TheMasterMind1 so oipkg doesn't handle it very well either 03:21:01 scanline Is there any logic to how xconfig arranges the menu hierarchy? 03:21:04 scanline :) 03:21:17 TheMasterMind1 good question :oP 03:21:23 TheMasterMind1 how goes the conversion? 03:22:00 scanline just figuring the best way to handle some of these dependencies... 03:22:19 scanline they should all go in a "PicoGUI" category 03:22:29 scanline pgserver depends on libpng, libjpeg, and libc 03:22:34 scanline cli_c depends on libc 03:22:40 scanline apps depend on cli_c and themetools 03:22:46 scanline hmm... 03:23:00 scanline if the menu structure is based only on dependency, it will be pretty messed up 03:24:52 Xentac just watched the Truman Show 03:25:31 Onyx4 my feeling is that when something is uninstalled, ipkg and oipkg should clear it from the status file 03:25:38 Onyx4 otherwise it will re-install it where it's been installed before 03:26:33 Xentac Onyx4: that's what I always do by hand when I uninstall something 03:27:07 Onyx4 how do you leave a message for someone using ibot 03:27:10 ljp do you guys apply a patch to embeddedkonsole? 03:27:18 Onyx4 no we did not touch it 03:27:29 ljp: excuse me? 03:27:29 ljp ibot: mesasge for onyx4: like this 03:27:35 ljp hmm 03:27:45 ljp ibot: message for onyx4: like this 03:27:50 Onyx4 k 03:28:11 Onyx4 ibot: message for nishi: to fix the time setting issue, remove netsystemtime and install "systemtime" 03:28:43 ljp ohh. I see whats going on in konsole.. nm 03:29:00 Onyx4 are you referering to the loading of .profile? 03:29:34 ljp nope 03:29:59 ljp the list of commands on the main window is longer than the list of commands to edit 03:30:56 ljp no libncurses? 03:32:08 ljp whats /liblib for? did you guys do that? 03:32:39 ljp oh there's ncurses 03:32:45 Wembly how do you remove the password from the security applet? 03:33:10 Onyx4 heh /liblib? 03:33:26 TheMasterMind1 yea 03:33:28 TheMasterMind1 dunno what' making that 03:33:31 TheMasterMind1 need to figure out 03:33:37 Onyx4 ok I can figure it out 03:33:46 TheMasterMind1 i greped and didn't find anything 03:33:49 Onyx4 using ipkg-files command :) 03:33:50 TheMasterMind1 so i dunno 03:33:56 TheMasterMind1 heh 03:33:56 Onyx4 did you try that? 03:33:56 TheMasterMind1 smart 03:34:01 TheMasterMind1 nope 03:34:02 Onyx4 k 03:34:09 Onyx4 try it :) 03:34:19 TheMasterMind1 you doit 03:34:52 Onyx4 ok I submitted the SD/cf carmon bug 03:35:30 TheMasterMind1 k 03:35:34 TheMasterMind1 what about the others? 03:35:43 TheMasterMind1 from my huge list 03:35:44 TheMasterMind1 :) 03:35:56 Onyx4 im filing the ones I know more about 03:36:20 Onyx4 I think we could file the ones for opie-login under a single "opie-login enhancements" 03:36:39 Onyx4 I'll do that 03:37:36 TheMasterMind1 heh 03:37:36 TheMasterMind1 ok 03:38:54 Onyx4 so there are 3 issues with opie-login right? 03:39:08 TheMasterMind1 light and power, fonts, profile, console 03:39:14 Onyx4 profile ? 03:40:32 TheMasterMind1 it needs to load profiles 03:40:35 TheMasterMind1 when you login 03:40:37 TheMasterMind1 /etc/.profile 03:40:41 TheMasterMind1 /root/.profile 03:40:41 TheMasterMind1 etc 03:40:44 TheMasterMind1 /etc/profile rather 03:41:24 Onyx4 was that happening before when not using opie-login? 03:41:29 ljp loooking good guys.. I gotta hit the hay.. n8 03:41:31 Onyx4 i don't think it loaded that either 03:41:46 TheMasterMind1 i know 03:41:55 TheMasterMind1 the easiest way is to make opie-login load it 03:42:03 TheMasterMind1 or i dunno 03:42:05 TheMasterMind1 we need it loaded 03:42:09 TheMasterMind1 maybe when opie starts 03:43:07 Onyx4 if opie-login would load it, then the konsole would have it loaded probably 03:43:12 Onyx4 that'd be nice ok i'll write that down 03:43:25 Onyx4 by light&power settings you meant what by that? 03:43:42 Onyx4 that it should have the backlight at half or etc ? 03:44:35 TheMasterMind1 yea 03:44:45 TheMasterMind1 i just realized though 03:44:49 TheMasterMind1 if they're not using opie-login 03:44:52 TheMasterMind1 we still need profile loaded 03:44:53 TheMasterMind1 so.. 03:45:16 Onyx4 ok so we may need to do that someplace else 03:45:29 Onyx4 I think we might just need it inside konsole 03:45:38 Onyx4 where else would you need something set 03:45:45 TheMasterMind1 hmm yea 03:45:46 Onyx4 cause the opie startup script sets the right env variable 03:45:53 scanline TheMasterMind1: if you have multiple sources listed in the makefile, does it automatically fetch all of them? 03:45:53 TheMasterMind1 yep 03:46:02 scanline to where? 03:46:08 scanline I have: 03:46:10 scanline Sources := :pserver:anonymous@cvs.picogui.org:/cvsroot/pgui module=apps; \ 03:46:10 scanline $(TOPDIR)/packages/$(Name)/pg-appconf.tar.gz; 03:46:10 TheMasterMind1 scanline: yep. you need a ; \ at the end of each 03:46:17 TheMasterMind1 it puts them all in $(SourceTree) 03:46:25 TheMasterMind1 usually you have one thing and a few patches 03:46:26 scanline ah... 03:46:51 scanline yeah, pg-appconf has configuration files for the apps, it's a kludge until the apps' makefiles generate the config files 03:47:04 Onyx4 k opie-login filed 03:47:08 TheMasterMind1 k 03:47:32 Onyx4 next is for the launcher/apperance settings 03:47:39 TheMasterMind1 yep 03:47:52 Onyx4 so we can put both the backgrounds and the color chooser in that one? 03:48:04 TheMasterMind1 btw, if you're going to submit one for oipkg, tell em to delete old package info files too 03:48:09 TheMasterMind1 Onyx4: yea 03:48:20 scanline TheMasterMind1: would a line like this make sense: 03:48:22 scanline cd $(IPKTMP_DIR)/usr/share/picogui/apps/; tar zxf $(TOPDIR)/packages/$(Name)/pg-appconf.tar.gz 03:48:23 Onyx4 there is already one filed on oipkg I think that mentionned that 03:48:26 Onyx4 I'd have to check 03:49:07 TheMasterMind1 hmm yes 03:49:12 Onyx4 well the one on opie background stuff that's minor, not really a bug but more a feature, since this just got released like this week, I'll let them finish the apperance and enhance it before complaining 03:49:14 TheMasterMind1 that works 03:49:22 scanline doesn't seem to :) 03:49:24 scanline debugs 03:49:29 TheMasterMind1 scanline: hmmm 03:49:50 scanline I really hate the app packaging in picogui right now.... 03:50:10 scanline we have a new system planned, it's just not implemented 03:50:16 carpman was last seen on #openzaurus 3 hours, 39 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: hehe, country and western raves. :) [Sun Sep 29 01:10:44 2002] 03:50:16 scanline ibot: seen carpman? 03:50:23 TheMasterMind1 "This space is unintentionally left filled" 03:51:43 scanline TheMasterMind1: oh, never mind.. I forgot the tar file had a subdirectory in it 03:51:50 TheMasterMind1 heh 03:51:51 TheMasterMind1 :) 03:56:42 Onyx4 ok I added the oipkg issues to bug #185 03:56:49 Onyx4 since this was pretty much the same thing 03:56:55 Onyx4 he just didn't have enough info in it 03:57:18 TheMasterMind1 k 03:57:22 TheMasterMind1 good job 03:58:00 Onyx4 feel free to add whatever I missed 03:58:30 TheMasterMind1 think thats about it 03:59:11 Onyx4 ok so I might just need now to file one for kembeddedkonsole? 03:59:18 Onyx4 for loading .profile 03:59:21 TheMasterMind1 yes 03:59:23 TheMasterMind1 that would be good 04:01:02 Is something VIOLENT going to happen to a GARBAGE CAN? 04:01:02 scanline ibot: yow 04:01:43 TheMasterMind1 i like the new launcher 04:01:52 TheMasterMind1 i can enable disable stuff on the taskbar 04:02:10 TheMasterMind1 oh 04:02:12 TheMasterMind1 here's another bug 04:02:15 Onyx4 yes it's very nice 04:02:21 TheMasterMind1 in launcher, there's a "Disable O menu" 04:02:31 TheMasterMind1 you select it and it doesn't go away 04:02:32 TheMasterMind1 :\ 04:04:44 Onyx4 what's this show 0-menu for? 04:05:07 TheMasterMind1 the little o menu 04:05:13 TheMasterMind1 left hand lower corner 04:05:14 TheMasterMind1 the menu 04:05:22 TheMasterMind1 you're supposed to be able to unshow it 04:05:25 TheMasterMind1 like you can the applets 04:05:57 Onyx4 that's probably a work-in-progress thing 04:06:03 TheMasterMind1 yea 04:06:04 TheMasterMind1 tistrue 04:06:06 Onyx4 I'd like us to focus on bugs more than features :) 04:06:56 VerxHome ok 04:06:57 VerxHome just fyi 04:07:08 VerxHome there ARE stability issues with this new initrd 04:07:31 TheMasterMind1 like what 04:07:41 TheMasterMind1 they're much less than before though right? 04:07:47 VerxHome It may be related to my SD, but I don't know for sure 04:07:52 VerxHome no, this is much worse than before 04:07:56 VerxHome what happens is this 04:08:02 VerxHome everything works for some period of time 04:08:04 VerxHome and then blam 04:08:12 VerxHome I get blocked on anything dealing with the SD 04:08:17 VerxHome if I do an ls 04:08:21 TheMasterMind1 ok, when and where is it happening 04:08:23 TheMasterMind1 and what is happening 04:08:23 VerxHome it blocks if it is of the SD 04:08:33 VerxHome or if I try to vi a file on the SD 04:08:42 TheMasterMind1 huh? 04:08:45 TheMasterMind1 "blocks" ? 04:08:49 Onyx4 ok this doesn't sound related to opie/qt, SD related 04:08:51 Onyx4 it hangs 04:08:51 VerxHome I haven't figured out what causes it to block 04:08:54 Onyx4 right? 04:08:56 VerxHome right 04:09:01 Onyx4 like if the driver hung or card got taken out 04:09:09 Onyx4 enable syslog 04:09:15 scanline TheMasterMind1: how do I make one package depend on another being isntalled tot he staging directory? 04:09:19 Onyx4 remove -C from /etc/init.d/syslog 04:09:23 TheMasterMind1 scanline: you don't 04:09:25 Onyx4 it'll log to /var/log/messages 04:09:28 VerxHome actually 04:09:30 VerxHome this last one 04:09:32 VerxHome I just realized 04:09:38 VerxHome was me trying to deal with flash memory 04:09:40 TheMasterMind1 scanline: you just have it depend on the other, and the other makes sure it installs to staging 04:09:51 scanline TheMasterMind1: ok, then it's not working... 04:09:54 VerxHome scratch that - it was SD 04:09:59 VerxHome was a symlinked file 04:10:04 TheMasterMind1 i'm confused as to what's going on 04:10:09 TheMasterMind1 ext2? 04:10:21 Onyx4 im gonna watch a movie , bbl 04:10:24 TheMasterMind1 k 04:10:36 VerxHome yes 04:10:46 VerxHome themastermind: Let's say I have an SSH open 04:10:48 TheMasterMind1 k 04:10:53 VerxHome I can do everything fine for maybe 20 minutes 04:10:55 VerxHome or even 45 04:10:58 VerxHome then all of a sudden 04:11:00 VerxHome I do something like 04:11:04 VerxHome ls /mnt/card/blorg 04:11:09 VerxHome and it doesn't return the prompt 04:11:11 VerxHome AND 04:11:15 VerxHome a ctrl-c doesn't help 04:11:15 VerxHome AND 04:11:19 scanline TheMasterMind1: in my makefile for the pg-apps package I have "Depends = pg-cli-c pg-themes" but it's not compiling those first 04:11:20 VerxHome I cannot kill -9 the ls 04:11:40 TheMasterMind1 scanline: depends are handled by config.in.. depends in Makefile are used only for the ipks 04:11:46 scanline oh 04:11:47 scanline ok 04:11:49 TheMasterMind1 that's what the ipks control file has 04:11:50 TheMasterMind1 :) 04:11:57 TheMasterMind1 ok 04:12:02 TheMasterMind1 lemme see if i can reproduce 04:13:05 TheMasterMind1 i think it happened 04:13:12 TheMasterMind1 i was looking at a file on sd 04:13:14 TheMasterMind1 then closed vim 04:14:14 TheMasterMind1 2496 root 1324 S /sbin/sdmgr 04:14:14 TheMasterMind1 3123 root 1324 S /sbin/sdmgr 04:14:15 TheMasterMind1 why two? 04:18:21 TheMasterMind1 hmm 04:18:24 TheMasterMind1 its working fine it seems 04:22:37 VerxHome hrm 04:22:44 VerxHome what konq should I install? 04:23:02 TheMasterMind1 hmm 04:23:07 TheMasterMind1 we really need a oz konq/e 04:23:11 TheMasterMind1 need to add it to the buildroot 04:23:14 TheMasterMind1 i'll do that eventually 04:24:08 VerxHome I am gonna install the one out of unstable 04:24:52 TheMasterMind1 k 04:25:22 VerxHome bleh 04:25:27 VerxHome oipkg won't install it 04:29:17 scanline starts a clean build of OZ, since his dependencies are being really wacky 04:35:58 scanline wonders if they'll ever fix the off-by-one bug in scap 04:51:56 noda Ooh ooh! Error in build process, "ifupdown" 04:52:01 noda cd /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/ifupdown-0.6.4; chmod a+rx defn2c.pl defn2man.pl makecdep.sh makenwdep.sh; 04:52:14 noda bin/sh: cd: /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/ifupdown-0.6.4: No such file or directory 04:53:09 TheMasterMind1 hmm 04:53:11 TheMasterMind1 weird 04:53:13 TheMasterMind1 clean it and try again 04:53:20 TheMasterMind1 make SUBDIRS=packages/ifupdown clean 04:53:23 TheMasterMind1 make packages/ifupdown 04:53:42 TheMasterMind1 need sleep 04:53:43 noda Same thing. 04:53:43 TheMasterMind1 later 04:53:47 TheMasterMind1 is away: sleeeeeeeeeeep. 04:53:56 noda Heh, later. I'll figure it out tomorrow. 04:53:57 noda Thanks. 05:07:38 scanline what the... the dependencies on my openzaurus are all messed up 05:07:41 scanline grr... 05:10:18 Xentac is away: sleeping 05:25:07 scanline kergoth: you here? 05:25:31 scanline hates build systems 05:48:52 kergoth hey 05:48:54 kergoth whats up 05:48:59 kergoth just got back from a friends place 05:49:11 kergoth dependencies in the oz buildroot are manual, and hackish until i finish the dependency generation 05:49:33 scanline kergoth: ah, ok. TheMasterMind1 implied that it should just work :) 05:49:40 scanline how do I set the dependencies up manually? 05:49:54 kergoth scanline: edit packages/Makefile and cringe 05:49:57 kergoth scanline: :) 05:50:32 scanline hmm... so I could add the stamp file from another package to the package makefile? 05:50:55 scanline specifically I need my libpng -> zlib and pg-apps -> pg-themes dependencies to work :) 05:51:15 kergoth scanline: right now you cant cross-depend on stamps due to the fact that we're using recursive makes 05:51:22 kergoth scanline: and things get all wacky 05:51:24 scanline k 05:51:29 kergoth scanline: so do something in packages/Makefile 05:51:33 scanline ok 05:51:41 kergoth packages/pgblah : packages/libpng3 05:51:43 kergoth that sort of deal 05:51:54 scanline ah, ok 05:51:57 kergoth follow the pattern. I'll be revamping this aspect of the buildroot this week. 05:51:57 scanline I didn't even notice this file 05:51:59 kergoth two tasks 05:52:07 kergoth 1) depends generation 2) no more recursion 05:52:19 kergoth that should eliminate the last of the headaches 05:52:32 scanline ok 05:52:49 kergoth man 05:52:52 kergoth my night 05:52:53 scanline almost got this all working... thanks 05:52:54 kergoth was so fucking boring 05:52:56 kergoth np 05:53:18 scanline what were you doing? (not doing?) 05:54:50 kergoth sitting on my ass with friends 05:54:54 kergoth trying to think of something worth doing 05:54:57 kergoth and failing miserably 05:55:01 scanline haha. I did that last week... it sucked 05:55:19 kergoth there really isnt a damn thing to do 05:55:21 kergoth seriously 05:55:23 kergoth i mena 05:55:32 scanline My friends from high school and I would always find something to do, but the people around here are a lot more boring usually 05:55:43 kergoth there's gambling, partying at a bar or club, movie, pool, bowling 05:55:50 kergoth not much else 05:55:53 kergoth maybe minnesota just sucks 05:55:56 kergoth :) 05:56:02 scanline hehe.. there's always Starcraft :) 05:56:11 kergoth bah 05:56:16 kergoth I'm sick of sitting around 05:56:17 umopapisdn hey ho! 05:56:18 kergoth you know? 05:56:20 kergoth hey umopapisdn 05:56:22 kergoth how goes it 05:56:28 kergoth you see aqpkg made it into opie? 05:56:31 kergoth need to play with that 05:56:35 umopapisdn kergoth: Just woke up. :) 05:56:38 scanline pool is fun.. but I guess I haven't played enough recently to get bored of it 05:56:41 kergoth hah 05:56:44 umopapisdn kergoth: what's aqpkg? 05:56:49 kergoth umopapisdn: new package manager 05:56:53 umopapisdn ahhh 05:56:55 kergoth umopapisdn: alternative to qipkg 05:56:57 kergoth er 05:56:59 kergoth oipkg 05:57:07 kergoth its easier to use, from what i hear 05:57:11 kergoth but less powerful 05:57:29 umopapisdn kergoth: Will have a loot at that then. hey, my build always freezes in the middle of cvs update for busybox, what could that be? 05:57:41 kergoth umopapisdn: thatd be a problem with busybox cvs, i'd say 05:57:51 kergoth umopapisdn: i've heard that reported numerous times, not just in oz build 05:58:26 umopapisdn kergoth: Onyx4 said he had problems with that too, but he didn't remember what he did to fix it. :) 05:58:45 scanline yay, it's compiling cli_c before apps finally 05:59:14 umopapisdn kergoth: have you released any initrd.bin yet or? 05:59:32 kergoth umopapisdn: nope. onyx4 and TheMasterMind1 threw a initrd.bin up on openzaurus.sf.net/unofficial though 05:59:53 kergoth umopapisdn: I want to do further testing, and get the groups and permissions finished up before releasing an official testing initrd 06:00:02 umopapisdn kergoth: yeah, that was probably the one i tested. 06:00:38 umopapisdn kergoth: I managed to get a full build finally though. but busybox didn't work properly. so that's the only problem i have left. :) 06:00:49 kergoth most likely. I'm going to do 3 major alterations to the oz build, and about 8 changes to oz itself to improve things, then I'm taking a break from this project for a whlie 06:01:05 kergoth need some time to chill and focus on some other priorities 06:01:08 kergoth like keeping my damn job 06:01:26 umopapisdn kergoth: can imagine. you certainly deserve it. :) 06:02:02 kergoth bah, creating a distribution isnt as hard as you'd expect. Theres very little coding involved, its just taking other projects and creating something cohesive out of them 06:02:26 scanline kergoth: you seem to be less build-system-impaired than most though :) 06:02:44 umopapisdn kergoth: yeah right... just look at the problems I had just compiling it... 06:02:47 umopapisdn hahah yeah 06:03:34 kergoth scanline: only out of necessity, and not by choice :) 06:03:41 scanline :) 06:04:11 kergoth hm 06:04:15 kergoth i'm feeling philosophical tonight for some reason 06:04:17 kergoth ponders 06:05:24 umopapisdn notices believes that kergoth is too tired too ponder... :) 06:05:36 umopapisdn eh... where did that "notices" come from... 06:05:41 kergoth umopapisdn notices believes? and *i'm* the tired one? 06:05:43 kergoth hehe 06:05:49 umopapisdn :) 06:05:51 scanline blame it on voodoo tab completion 06:05:58 umopapisdn scanline: hehe. yep! 06:06:00 kergoth scanline: thats always convenient 06:06:39 scanline damn this code is buggy... 06:06:41 scanline sighs 06:06:45 umopapisdn scanline: what code? 06:06:46 kergoth what code? 06:06:49 kergoth heh 06:06:50 scanline pgserver 06:06:55 umopapisdn what's that? 06:07:03 scanline server side of picogui 06:10:20 Onyx4 ibot: message for noda: the problem you have is with your gzip version, upgrade to 1.3.2 then you will be able to build ifupdown, known problem 06:10:43 scanline oh well... at least it can display 1280x1024 images fine :) 06:10:44 kergoth hey Onyx4 06:11:27 Onyx4 hey im about to head to bed 06:11:41 kergoth me too, when i'm done pondering 06:12:04 Onyx4 VerxHome reported some weird problem where SD card would hang after like 20 min of using it 06:12:13 Onyx4 so keep that in mind see if it's unique or what 06:12:29 kergoth odd, considering we use the same module and daemon as sharp. 06:12:44 kergoth Onyx4: I'm thinking I'll add a 'Caveats' page on openzaurus.org when its up 06:13:09 kergoth Onyx4: containing known outstanding caveats with the system, workarounds necessary in varying circumstance,s, and the like 06:13:11 Onyx4 ok 06:13:31 Onyx4 I think he mentionned something about two sdmgr running but I didn't get more details 06:13:37 kergoth alright. 06:13:46 Onyx4 well night 06:13:49 kergoth note to self: find a bug tracking system other than sf, hopefully that doesnt suck 06:13:52 kergoth Onyx4: night 06:14:01 umopapisdn Onyx4`zzz: night 06:15:13 umopapisdn kergoth: did anyone mention to you that backspace wasn't working in vi? Onyx4 said it might have something to do with your cleanup of the term stuff. ? 06:15:41 kergoth no one has mentioned it. 06:15:43 kergoth the default termtype is linux 06:15:48 kergoth which is an included terminfo entry 06:16:06 kergoth but i'll look into it 06:16:47 kergoth hmm 06:17:08 umopapisdn kergoth: just checked the 2.9.5.5 version... didn't work there either. :) 06:17:17 kergoth k 06:17:22 scanline maybe I just feel pessimistic because of the number of bugs I filed today.. if I don't report the bugs they don't exist, right! 06:17:34 kergoth hah 06:18:29 umopapisdn kergoth: regarding bugreporting system. everybody seems to be using mantis these days, maybe try that one. 06:19:05 kergoth umopapisdn: i've used it, too bad the UI sucks. i swear these web based system designers need to take a UI course or something 06:19:13 umopapisdn hehehe 06:20:09 umopapisdn scanline: what are you trying to do with picogui? 06:20:46 scanline umopapisdn: update the build for the new OZ, and fix bugs 06:22:26 umopapisdn kergoth: another thing i noticed but that has to do with Opie, but might be good to know, fastload doesn't work. 06:22:28 scanline umopapisdn: I took a bunch of screencap's today :) 06:22:40 scanline err.. ditch that apostrophe 06:22:41 kergoth umopapisdn: yeah, i noticed. its definately broken 06:22:45 kergoth umopapisdn: something in opie 06:22:55 umopapisdn scanline: oh, so it's working nicely? 06:22:55 kergoth umopapisdn: its been reported in opie's bug tracker. just wait & see 06:23:09 scanline umopapisdn: it's working, still has too many bugs to be working nicely :) 06:23:13 umopapisdn hehe 06:24:11 umopapisdn scanline: Are you doing the port of picogui or are you the maindeveloper of it? 06:24:22 scanline I'm the main developer 06:24:31 kergoth scanline ~= picogui 06:24:33 kergoth :) 06:24:36 kergoth man 06:24:41 kergoth i need to do something 06:24:43 kergoth but 06:24:45 kergoth i have no idea what 06:24:50 scanline kergoth: miniature golf! 06:24:56 umopapisdn hahaha 06:24:57 kergoth hm, i dont think i can do that at 2am 06:25:03 kergoth thanks for the suggestion though 06:25:08 kergoth thats definately not what i need to do 06:25:11 umopapisdn kergoth: just do yourself a smoothie then. :) 06:25:13 kergoth :) 06:25:15 scanline hehe 06:25:34 scanline PicoBot: make kergoth a long island ice tea 06:25:34 PicoBot scanline: excuse me? 06:25:39 kergoth notes he needs 1) a life, 2) a woman, 3) motivation 06:25:53 kergoth notes that the three are most definately heavily inderdependant 06:26:04 scanline kergoth: a life.. you can get those at Wal-Mart, right? 06:26:12 kergoth scanline: yeah, on sale! 06:26:18 scanline blue light special! 06:26:22 kergoth ohh yeah 06:26:26 kergoth those lives suck though 06:26:38 scanline they come in a box, and you can eat them for breakfast! 06:26:39 kergoth mine already does 06:26:43 kergoth i dont need *another* sucky life 06:26:44 umopapisdn ponders.... and comes to the conclusion that 1 of the 3 often leads to the other 2... 06:26:59 scanline kergoth: maybe you need a new job 06:27:08 scanline kergoth: it sounds like the one you have sucks pretty bad 06:27:11 kergoth umopapisdn: indeed. 06:27:19 umopapisdn kergoth: man, you sound depressed! :) 06:27:21 kergoth notes he could describe his life goals in a makefile 06:27:23 kergoth dies 06:27:25 kergoth lmao 06:27:34 scanline haha 06:27:36 kergoth life : motivation 06:27:39 umopapisdn hehe 06:27:42 kergoth woman : motivation 06:28:00 scanline make: *** No rule to make target `motivation'. Stop. 06:28:05 kergoth exactly!@#% 06:28:12 kergoth i was going to do that 06:28:13 umopapisdn REALLY thinks kergoth need a life! 06:28:14 kergoth thanks 06:28:15 umopapisdn hehe 06:28:16 kergoth hehe 06:28:28 scanline make: *** No rule to make target `cheese_sandwiches'. Stop. 06:28:34 umopapisdn hewheh 06:28:44 kergoth ./configure --prefix=/usr --host=me --build=me --enable-motivation && make; 06:28:46 kergoth ! 06:28:51 scanline unix is good for so much 06:29:09 scanline you can even use it to make a life! you just need the right Makefile... 06:29:29 kergoth damn that elusive motivation target 06:29:39 scanline kergoth: if you run on GNU autotools that might explain your lack of motivation ;) 06:29:43 kergoth scanline: haha 06:29:46 kergoth no shit 06:30:23 kergoth cat .config | sed -e 's,# CONFIG_MOTIVATION is not set,CONFIG_MOTIVATION=y,' > newconf; mv newconf .config; make oldconfig; make -j4 kergoth; 06:30:25 kergoth muahah 06:30:44 umopapisdn thinks kergoth really is an ibot... 06:30:55 scanline PicoBot: emulate kergoth 06:30:56 PicoBot scanline: excuse me? 06:31:08 scanline doh.. we have picobot emulation plugins for most people 06:31:12 scanline PicoBot: emulate file 06:31:12 PicoBot scanline: huh? 06:31:18 scanline I guess file deleted that one... 06:31:21 scanline PicoBot: emulate scanline 06:31:21 PicoBot drinks pepsi and writes weird code or grows a beard 06:31:28 scanline I guess that works 06:31:28 umopapisdn haha 06:31:46 kergoth PicoBot: emulate kergoth is <action> mutters about buildsystems and tells random people to rtfm. 06:31:46 PicoBot OK, kergoth. 06:31:51 kergoth PicoBot: emulate kergoth 06:31:51 PicoBot mutters about buildsystems and tells random people to rtfm. 06:31:52 scanline hehe 06:31:59 kergoth there we go 06:32:15 scanline PicoBot: emulate file is <action> complains about random stuff and tells people to listen to his radio station 06:32:15 PicoBot OK, scanline. 06:32:59 umopapisdn I'm gonna go get some breakfast, see you people around. bye! 06:33:06 scanline mmm breakfast 06:33:09 scanline PicoBot: make breakfast 06:33:10 PicoBot scanline: excuse me? 06:33:26 scanline PicoBot: make breakfast is <reply> make: *** No rule to make target `breakfast'. Stop. 06:33:26 PicoBot OK, scanline. 06:33:35 scanline PicoBot: make breakfast 06:33:36 PicoBot make: *** No rule to make target `breakfast'. Stop. 06:33:53 kergoth PicoBot make kergoth is <reply> Well, to make kergoth, first you need to run make menuconfig, select kergoth. enable CONFIG_BUILDSYSTEMHELL, CONFIG_KERNELNEWBIE, CONFIG_RTFM, save and exit, run make dep; make -j2; and you have a kergoth! 06:33:53 PicoBot OK, kergoth. 06:34:03 kergoth is bored 06:34:30 scanline kergoth: play Super Mario 3 06:34:45 kergoth I think I'll ponder the nature of life, the universe, and everything, thanks 06:36:12 kergoth PicoBot: make universe is <reply> make: *** universe: No such file or directory. Stop. 06:36:12 PicoBot OK, kergoth. 06:38:04 kergoth PicoBot: make universe 06:38:04 PicoBot make: *** universe: No such file or directory. Stop. 06:38:28 scanline make -j universe 06:39:38 kergoth hmm 06:39:42 kergoth randomly quotes office space 06:39:49 kergoth "Well you see Bob, its a problem of motivation." 06:40:11 scanline "In any given week, I'd say I only do about 15 minutes of real, actual, work." 06:40:30 kergoth hehe 06:41:18 kergoth I should call my boss lumburg 06:41:23 kergoth and see if he knows wtf i'm talkinga bout 06:41:41 scanline hehe 06:42:12 kergoth mmmm yeahhhhh 06:42:14 kergoth heheh 06:42:24 scanline :) 06:43:45 scanline oh yeah... "bk mv" is heaven after being used to cvs 06:49:17 scanline http://handhelds.org/scap/port.12075.png <-- picogui starts correctly now.. except pgl and tpcal are still slightly fucked up 07:22:42 hardwire wondes how much memory is being wasted on the launchers different background settings 07:24:09 scanline wonders how much memory is being wasted in general 07:25:08 hardwire wonders if anybody else could smell that fart 07:25:21 scanline I sure hope not 07:26:34 hardwire anyhoot 07:26:37 hardwire is tired 07:26:41 hardwire had a few drinks 07:26:43 hardwire and doesn't wanna stay up and play pattycake with anybody 07:27:31 hardwire so g'night 07:27:37 scanline bye 07:28:12 hardwire wonders if he has a flash colon 07:28:22 scanline : 07:28:22 scanline 07:28:23 scanline : 07:28:24 scanline 07:28:25 scanline : 07:28:26 scanline 07:28:35 hardwire heh 07:28:40 hardwire colon flasher 10:15:53 i guess xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set my path to /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/arm and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) 10:15:53 Ibz ibot xcompile 10:16:57 Ibz path /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/arm doesn't exist, i assume this should be set to /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/arm-linux? 10:33:07 sambatron hey, anybody there ? 10:34:07 scanline no 10:34:15 scanline the channel's empty 10:34:19 sambatron cool 10:34:21 scanline there goes a tumbleweed! 10:34:23 scanline :) 10:35:06 sambatron I just flashed oz and now my Z halts after fschecking mtdblock6 10:35:17 sambatron is it a know problem ? 10:35:19 scanline which initrd did you use? 10:35:31 sambatron I just compiled 10:35:39 scanline from bitkeeper or CVS? 10:35:39 sambatron bk pull; make 10:35:42 scanline k 10:35:51 scanline did you try pressing enter on the zaurus? 10:36:01 sambatron no :) 10:36:21 sambatron :) 10:36:26 sambatron great, why was that ? 10:36:33 scanline I'm not sure why either, but I had the same problem 10:36:42 scanline I'm still not used to the new build system 10:37:10 sambatron I'm just trying to get something stable to stick to it 10:37:19 sambatron but I'm unable... :I 10:37:24 scanline the current bk tree isn't stable 10:37:30 sambatron I know... 10:38:26 sambatron but seems that the real _current_ (right now) is much more stable than the one from yesterday :) 10:38:48 scanline dunno.. I haven't used Opie on here much 10:39:06 scanline but from what I saw, they made a lot of neat improvements 10:39:38 sambatron yes, it's pretty much better. They're working hard 10:39:47 sambatron cool, now usb works 10:40:01 sambatron damn, ssh is closed again 10:40:19 scanline ssh works for me... 10:40:33 scanline Opie didn't set the network up right, but when I set it up from the command line it worked fine 10:40:46 sambatron I mean, I can ping it 10:40:54 scanline run sshd 10:41:04 sambatron but ssh is refused, from init.d ? 10:41:11 scanline ? 10:41:27 sambatron /etc/init.d/ssh start ? 10:41:42 scanline try just running "sshd" 10:42:17 sambatron missing var 10:42:33 scanline create it 10:42:38 scanline IIRC that's a known problem 10:43:00 sambatron yes, it happened in previous, but tar segfaulted when untarring it 10:43:20 scanline I'm not really in the loop with the recent changes to OZ, I just hang out here to bug kergoth when I need help making PicoGUI work with OZ :) 10:43:43 hunger scanline: Don't we all hang out here to bug kergoth? ;-) 10:43:47 scanline :) 10:44:26 sambatron that's the problem, it halts at tar 10:44:36 sambatron that's when you need to press enter 10:45:58 sambatron I'm trying to rebuild busybox... I don't know how to solve this 10:54:00 sambatron Ok, I think I've got the problem 10:54:22 sambatron the shell does not "get" the second parameter of the command line 10:54:35 sambatron "get" or "read" or "whatever" 10:55:35 sambatron if I make "mkdir -p /var/empty" says it cannot create '' 10:55:49 sambatron if I make "mkdir /var/empty" works 10:56:10 sambatron tar halts because it doesn't get the second parameter... 10:56:48 sambatron question: what is busybox's "bash" ? 10:57:02 sambatron I mean the equivalent to bash in busybox 11:07:57 Wembly there finally got tc working :/ 11:09:57 scanline tc? 11:10:25 Wembly traffic control 11:10:28 Wembly aka qos stuffs 11:10:34 scanline ah 11:10:42 scanline in ipv4 or ipv6? 11:10:48 Wembly ipv4 11:10:58 Wembly now things can takeup my entire bandwidth when im not playing a game or something :) 11:11:03 Wembly i hope hehe 11:13:13 Wembly this is pritty cool 11:13:30 Wembly someones downloading a file from me and im playing a fps with a decent ping :) 11:15:30 Wembly holy shit 11:15:36 Wembly ouch 11:16:22 Wembly with tc on i get roughtly 120ping (roughtly avr) to the game server. with tc off i get above 1000 (turned it back on once it got past that) 11:16:41 scanline neat 11:29:37 ljp petit 11:40:36 sambatron fucking busybox is buggy 11:40:54 sambatron I give up 11:42:29 scanline is away: ZzzZzzZzz.... 11:55:55 ljp debug it 12:05:16 ljp ibot message for kergoth: I just noticed the reis a non standard atd in the qtopia 1.6 snapshots, specific for the Zaurus according to the readme. Might want to check it out, and/or possibly use this. 13:20:54 TheMasterMind1 hi 13:21:34 ljp man, I really wonder why people flash oz expecting not to hav eany problems 13:21:52 nadav heh 13:21:56 ljp then complain about about, and 'I'm going back to the sharp rom, till things get ironed out' 13:22:07 ljp heh everythings pissing me off this weekend 13:22:11 nadav haha 13:22:21 ljp kicks his desk 13:22:37 nadav people don't know what to expect from OZ 13:22:57 ljp shoul dbe stressed 'beta.. testing software' 13:23:15 ljp dont flash if your a putz 13:23:19 ljp heh 13:24:02 ljp they should have tried oz a few months ago 13:24:12 nadav ? 13:24:16 ljp hehehe 13:24:28 ljp 'uh, kergoth... opie's not atarting' 13:24:36 ljp starting 13:25:03 ljp or 'uh, kergoth... cf isnt showing up' 13:25:17 nadav lol 13:25:29 nadav makes you feel sorry for kergoth, eh? 13:25:43 ljp or 'uh, kergoth.. embeddedkonsole crashes' 13:26:00 ljp kergoth's been through alot 13:26:13 nadav i bet 13:26:19 ljp its no wonder he's insane 13:26:24 ljp :D 13:26:32 nadav hah 13:26:57 TheMasterMind1 heh 13:27:03 TheMasterMind1 kergoths a good guy 13:27:13 ljp hehe. well... 13:29:13 TheMasterMind1 heh 13:29:15 TheMasterMind1 don't dis kergoth 13:29:21 ljp :D 13:29:24 TheMasterMind1 ljp: you have an ipaq or zaurus..? or both? 13:29:29 ljp z 13:29:37 TheMasterMind1 k 13:29:41 ljp send me an ipaq and I will have one ;) 13:30:02 ljp actually, I have two z's.. usually one is oz, and the other is sharps 13:30:05 TheMasterMind1 i see 13:31:30 ljp I found an altered for zaurus atd in qtopia 1.6 snapshots 13:31:47 ljp you using a standard atd? 13:37:22 ljp hmm 13:42:40 TheMasterMind1 yes we're compiling it 13:42:44 TheMasterMind1 what's different in the altered? 13:49:41 nadav is /dev/hda1 a cf card? 13:52:23 ljp from the readme: This is Russ Nelson's lighhtweight At daemon, with additions for Sharp (just enabling the RTC wakeup in the APM BIOS). 13:54:50 TheMasterMind1 aha 13:55:30 TheMasterMind1 it'd be great if there was a patch for it 13:55:36 TheMasterMind1 nadav: yes 13:56:11 nadav okay 14:08:37 noda Anyone else have compiling problems at ifupdown? 14:11:49 noda ibot is great! 14:17:58 noda lol, anyone have problems compiling ipkg? 14:18:11 noda touch: creating `/mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/ipktemp/ipkg-20020929-1/CONTROL/control': No such file or directory 14:22:02 TMM1[Z] hmm 14:22:09 TMM1[Z] never had that 14:22:21 noda Be back, on phone 14:25:00 TMM1[Z] grr 14:25:13 TMM1[Z] chnaging settings wipes text 14:25:46 i think wifi is see wireless or get either a wcf12 linksys for $62 shipped from buy.com (nice small card, well supported, but not too great on battery) or the socket low power wlan for 160 something plus shipping also on buy.com (great battery usage, needs special drivers) 14:25:46 TMM1[Z] ibot wifi 14:30:26 noda Hrm. Just tried a make again and it seemed to work. 14:30:35 TMM1[Z] how can i get konsole to load up my profile 14:31:00 TMM1[Z] sh /etc/profile doesnt bring variables into scope 14:31:13 TMM1[Z] and there's no source 14:34:07 noda Next error! 14:34:22 noda For inetd: Makefile:3: ../MCONFIG: No such file or directory 14:34:26 noda Do I just not compile inetd? 14:36:26 noda Bah, I'll just skip it 14:37:59 TMM1[Z] hey ljp 14:41:11 ljp hmm? 14:42:19 noda Hey, why can't wget download qt-embedded... 14:42:27 noda (in the buildroot) 'invalid PORT... retrying' 14:43:20 TMM1[Z] ljp whats up with scrolling... in advancedfm you select a file at bottom of list and the wholw thing scrolls up 14:43:58 TMM1[Z] same type of thing in opieirc..its scrolling up when there a bunch of text..scrolls up to the top 14:45:17 TMM1[Z] grrr.. 14:45:40 TMM1[Z] writes his own package manager from scratch 14:45:50 TMM1[Z] no dependencies on ipkg 14:45:57 TMM1[Z] ill write it in php 14:46:37 TMM1[Z] hmm..whenever i type something in here the window scrolls to the top then comes back to the bottom 14:46:45 TMM1[Z] very annoying 14:54:48 TMM1[Z] kergoth? 14:55:06 TMM1[Z] opie needs to "Provides" qpe-base 14:55:32 noda Hrm, qte needs to be downloaded with --passive-ftp or it won't work... 14:55:51 TMM1[Z] wtf why? 14:56:19 TMM1[Z] must be your firewall 14:57:24 ljp_opieirc foo 14:57:30 ljp_opieirc man 14:57:33 ljp_opieirc choo 14:57:35 ljp_opieirc do 14:57:42 ljp_opieirc que 14:57:45 ljp_opieirc boo 14:57:55 ljp_opieirc chew 14:58:05 ljp_opieirc brew 14:58:08 noda TMM1[Z]: No, it's trolltech's ftp server. 14:58:15 noda TMM1[Z]: Just try with the command-line FTP client :) 14:58:19 ljp_opieirc foobar 14:58:54 ljp_opieirc hmm 14:58:57 ljp_opieirc oh 14:59:00 ljp_opieirc heh hmm 14:59:23 noda If I just download it into buildroot-oz/sources, should it work? 14:59:27 ljp_opieirc every good boy does fine 14:59:31 ljp_opieirc hmm weird 14:59:42 ljp_opieirc sometimes it does that, and others it doesn't 14:59:50 ljp_opieirc scooby doo 15:00:27 noda peers at ljp_opieirc 15:00:41 TMM1[Z] noo 15:01:29 TMM1[Z] yeaz 15:01:30 ljp_opieirc yes 15:01:37 TMM1[Z] its very wierd 15:01:39 ljp_opieirc foo man choo 15:01:50 ljp_opieirc space oddity 15:01:56 TMM1[Z] i think multiline causes it more 15:02:16 TMM1[Z] skakskskkakkskskskskskkskskskskksskksksksksks 15:02:29 TMM1[Z] :/ 15:02:34 ljp_opieirc doesnt seem to always do it 15:02:50 ljp_opieirc maybe when there's a very large line that needs to be wrapped 15:02:54 ljp_opieirc yes 15:02:56 ljp_opieirc no 15:03:14 ljp_opieirc picobot: yo momma 15:03:15 PicoBot ljp_opieirc: huh? 15:04:51 ljp_opieirc uh huh 15:04:54 ljp_opieirc odd 15:05:43 TMM1[Z] well 15:05:53 TMM1[Z] its not even wrapping lines 15:06:02 TMM1[Z] hmm 15:06:07 TMM1[Z] some of them 15:06:20 TMM1[Z] it doesnt breakup long words 15:06:23 TMM1[Z] or urls 15:06:42 TMM1[Z] argh!! 15:07:03 TMM1[Z] i type in #zaurus and it closes the channel 15:07:36 ljp_opieirc http://llornkcor.com/this/is/a/nonexistant/ulr/so/do/not/try/it.php 15:07:51 noda can't resist trying it. 15:08:05 ljp_opieirc hehe 15:08:51 ljp_opieirc hey 15:09:14 ljp_opieirc ooooo 15:09:26 ljp_opieirc try the litte '>' at the bottom 15:09:57 ljp no 15:12:51 noda OUCH! /usr/local is 3.5G on my computer... 15:14:22 ljp where's that oz feed? 15:15:54 TheMasterMind1 http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ 15:16:18 noda What's the difference between that and the regular feed? 15:16:36 TheMasterMind1 its all optimized and has the latest stuff 15:16:54 noda Yeah, I mean what's the latest stuff? :) 15:17:09 noda (for example) 15:17:40 noda Also, is it possible to run a Zaurus emulator to see how an image will end up working? 15:18:32 ljp kde should use my key shortcuts for its default, I'm tired of installing it and having to change them 15:19:19 TheMasterMind1 yes 15:19:26 TheMasterMind1 you can use the fb thing 15:19:38 noda TheMasterMind1: Will that work with all of opie? Or just individual programs? 15:19:43 TheMasterMind1 opie 15:19:47 noda Oh, sweet :) 15:19:48 TheMasterMind1 you can compile opie for x86 15:19:51 TheMasterMind1 and run it in there 15:19:59 noda Hrm, sounds like a lot of work :P 15:20:09 noda I still haven't figured out how to compile for arm :P 15:20:15 i heard xcompile was just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) 15:20:15 TheMasterMind1 ibot xcompile 15:20:19 TheMasterMind1 using that :) 15:20:21 noda (compiling opie right now) 15:20:47 noda Oh, I meant I'm still not done :) 15:21:30 noda loves compiling. 15:22:51 noda compiles Opie and a gtk2 version of mozilla. 15:22:54 TheMasterMind1 heh 15:25:41 noda twiddles his thumbs. 15:26:16 noda Anyone get THIS? ./configure: make[3]:/Makefile: No such file or directory 15:26:37 noda That's on opie. I'll try a make clean and do it again... 15:27:09 noda thinks his hard drives will explode any minutes now. 15:37:22 TheMasterMind1 err 15:37:23 TheMasterMind1 just ignore that 15:37:24 TheMasterMind1 its weird 15:37:31 TheMasterMind1 there's a bunch of those kind oferror?s 15:44:30 noda Next problem! mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20020928/bin/uic: error while loading shared libraries: libqutil.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 15:44:30 noda It's right after those other ones. 15:44:31 noda I don't have a libqutil.so.1... it's not on my hard drive :) 15:51:52 hardwire top o da mornin! 15:54:52 ljp man, that time change bug is a killer 15:59:15 hardwire rawr? 15:59:28 ljp huh? 15:59:39 hardwire adds ntpdate 16:00:23 ljp wont help 16:00:57 ljp try citytime.. change time.. press ok.. freeze 16:01:12 hardwire doh 16:04:14 ljp and kergoth thinks he needs a real life on the weekend ;) 16:04:46 ljp I had to install redhat 7.3 16:05:07 ljp cause the embedix sdk crashes on everything else 16:06:20 ljp plus so I know 7.3 goofiness if that co calls to interview 16:06:41 ljp I'm actually compiling things for the vercel! 16:13:01 hardwire no debian then? 16:14:05 ljp heh.. as soon as debian has reiserfs 16:14:10 hardwire uhm 16:14:19 hardwire you want debian with reiserfs 16:14:36 hardwire http://segfault.bogomip.com/bf2.4.iso 16:14:48 ljp hey! my vercel kernel finished! woot! 16:15:06 hardwire there is the install debian with reiserfs or ext3 right off the bat and go directly into testing CD 16:15:10 hardwire its a "good" thing :) 16:21:49 ljp coolio.. I'm going to flash a vercel 16:25:14 Xentac is back (gone 11:14:56) 16:25:25 hardwire ljp: heh 16:28:37 ljp _maybe_ they fixed the audio 16:33:44 ljp needs a maid 16:34:45 hardwire ditto 16:35:02 hardwire ljp: you can't pass up this oporritunity to install debian 16:35:02 Xentac ljp: a french maid... in a tight maid's uniform/costume... right? ;o) 16:35:18 ljp ya 16:35:39 ljp well, let me flash the vercel, and then I can dl that 16:35:59 hardwire well 16:36:03 hardwire ntpdate is made now 16:36:04 hardwire so uh 16:36:06 hardwire pushes 16:37:40 ljp mmm french women 16:37:55 ljp a french woman came into my shop this week 16:38:21 ljp nice tights and a shirt that stopped just above the middle part 16:38:23 ljp heh 16:38:27 hardwire and ntpdate is up 16:38:31 hardwire time to add rsync 16:39:17 ljp whistles as he flashes 16:39:27 hardwire quick? 16:39:41 ljp I can see it now.. uhh Riker... your vercel is borked 16:39:55 ljp no flashing through minicom 16:40:47 ljp I thought about trying to get opie on it 16:40:58 ljp then I saw all the patches they have for qtopia 16:41:10 hardwire heh 16:41:20 ljp they could pay me and I'd do it ;) 16:41:28 hardwire wouldn't that be special 16:41:33 hardwire did you get the DTC job? 16:41:34 ljp whistles as he flashes 16:41:43 ljp dont know yet 16:41:46 hardwire :( 16:41:58 ljp I'll find out this week if I am on the call list 16:42:07 hardwire nice 16:42:14 ljp thats one reason I installed rh7.3 16:42:20 hardwire ok.. netsystemtime and the ntpdate package work together 16:42:23 hardwire thats good :) 16:42:30 ljp 'oh ya, I'm familiar with rh 7.3' 16:42:34 hardwire ljp: yeah.. but you can always do that some other time 16:42:40 hardwire if you wanna have friends.. you have to install debian 16:42:44 hardwire heh 16:42:58 ljp debian stable moves too slow 16:43:12 ljp whats the kernel there.. 2.2.x? 16:44:10 hardwire eh 16:44:19 hardwire why does that matter 16:44:22 hardwire besides stable is now testing 16:44:36 ljp cause if you instal ldebian stable.. you have immediately outdated software 16:44:42 hardwire and the bootcd puts you right at 2.4.17-bf2.4 16:45:11 hardwire and if you really feel like not compiling the kenerl.. you can apt-get the newest ones 16:45:15 ljp needs reiserfs in install 16:45:21 hardwire b42.4.iso 16:45:24 hardwire that does that 16:45:35 hardwire its a 2.4.x install CD w/ reiserfs 16:46:14 ljp still whistles as he flashes 16:46:39 hardwire wants to go check the mail 16:46:57 ljp goes back to bed 16:54:28 hardwire sh -c ' 16:54:28 hardwire MODEL=`cat /proc/hal/model` 16:54:28 hardwire test -e /etc/scap.conf && USER=`cat /etc/scap.conf` 16:54:28 hardwire (echo "POST /scap/capture.cgi?$MODEL+$USER HTTP/1.1" 16:54:28 hardwire if [ $MODEL = 3100 ]; then 16:54:28 hardwire echo "Content-length: 38400" 16:54:30 hardwire else 16:54:32 hardwire echo "Content-length: 153600" 16:54:34 hardwire fi 16:54:36 hardwire echo "Content-Type: image/gif" 16:54:38 hardwire echo "Host: www.handhelds.org" 16:54:40 hardwire echo "" 16:54:42 hardwire cat /dev/fb0) | nc www.handhelds.org 80 16:54:44 hardwire ' 16:54:46 hardwire err 16:54:48 hardwire damnit 16:54:50 hardwire http://handhelds.org/scap/toland.cgi?fn=port.29830.png 16:54:52 hardwire hah 16:54:56 hardwire there is me looking at me on my z 16:55:43 ljp id that doctored? 16:55:45 ljp is 16:55:56 hardwire no 16:56:09 hardwire mplayer http://10.21.0.4:8090/test1.avi -cache 16 16:56:21 ljp shoudl be 16:56:21 ljp :D 16:56:24 hardwire ffmpeg http://localhost:8090/feed1.ffm (host) 16:56:31 hardwire ffserver (host) 16:56:33 hardwire hehe 16:56:35 hardwire punches ljp 16:57:44 ljp vtun? 16:57:46 hardwire now I am wathcing lock stock and two smoking barrels 16:58:21 hardwire ljp vtun? 16:58:31 ljp ya its in oz feed 16:58:40 hardwire but was not required 16:58:46 hardwire http://handhelds.org/scap/toland.cgi?fn=port.3531.png 17:01:03 hardwire scp: /home/groups/o/op/openzaurus/htdocs/feeds/testing//nanoweb_1.8.2_arm.ipk: Permission denied 17:01:07 hardwire shoots somebody 17:02:22 ljp well.. I guess you need proper permission 17:02:36 hardwire yup 17:02:45 hardwire I will make kergoth do it 17:03:01 ljp I grabbed 17:03:04 ljp it 17:03:05 hardwire what? 17:03:43 ljp http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/nanoweb_1.8.2_arm.ipk 17:04:01 hardwire ooooh 17:04:07 hardwire I shuold push my stuff there! 17:05:06 hardwire I was trying to push 17:06:23 Onyx4`zzz hey 17:06:31 Onyx4`zzz we use busybox 0.61pre right? 17:06:50 hardwire whatever CVS is :) 17:07:37 hardwire http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ 17:07:46 hardwire now has ntp and some very updated ipks 17:07:54 hardwire I should put dates on the ipks for revisions 17:08:01 hardwire for like php and shit 17:08:24 ljp ya 17:08:29 Onyx4`zzz ok let us know when you're working on stuff 17:08:35 Onyx4`zzz mark them as "in progress" in the TODO file 17:08:40 hardwire me? 17:08:41 Onyx4`zzz cause I was gonna port ntpdate 17:08:53 hardwire well.. its did and done 17:09:02 Onyx4 k mark it then as done 17:09:05 hardwire -:- Onyx4`zzz is now known as Onyx4 17:09:09 hardwire you were asleep 17:09:13 Onyx4 yeah 17:09:15 Onyx4 just woke up 17:09:22 hardwire hard to let you know 17:09:30 ljp anyone else see issues with advancedfm's view menu and sd? 17:10:23 Onyx4 hardwire: you tested ntpdate with "netsystemtime" opie app? 17:10:29 hardwire yeah 17:11:19 Onyx4 when you go in the worldmap in netsystemtime does it work for you? 17:11:24 ljp he doesnt test things 17:11:33 hardwire yeah I do 17:11:34 hardwire heh 17:11:48 Onyx4 Ok fastload is apparenty resolved in CVS now 17:12:11 hardwire I don't have citytime installed 17:12:16 hardwire so the worldmap does not function 17:12:17 Onyx4 k you need it :) 17:12:23 hardwire I don't neccissarily NEED it 17:12:24 hardwire heh 17:12:35 hardwire denver is on it with the correct time offset (in the list) 17:13:10 hardwire I could test all of the other places in the world.. but thats really not neccissary.. it showed it worked.. and from what I hear city-time crashes it all anyways 17:13:25 Onyx4 looks like aqpkg is in opie cvs? 17:13:57 ljp yup 17:14:11 Onyx4 I wonder if we should make that default instead of oipkg? 17:14:20 ljp yes citytime should be required by defalt 17:14:29 Onyx4 citytime now is installed by default 17:14:34 ljp :D 17:14:36 Onyx4 we fixed that yesterday 17:14:54 ljp I know.. hardwie rdidnt 17:15:10 hardwire I usually update from my own feed 17:15:15 hardwire which is 4-5 days old 17:15:15 hardwire heh 17:15:17 Onyx4 ljp: can you let me know if aqpkg has these issues mentionned in this bug 17:15:18 Onyx4 http://131.152.105.154/mantis/view_bug_page.php?f_id=0000185 17:15:35 hardwire is not an opie activist.. :) 17:15:40 Onyx4 hardwire: yes we made lots of changes, now opie/qt optimized, etc... time for a new reflash and hard testing now 17:15:57 hardwire I so don't wanna fuck all of my settings 17:16:08 hardwire I actually have a usable PDA 17:16:10 hardwire its been a while! 17:16:29 Onyx4 just backup your /root directory heh 17:16:34 hardwire well 17:16:36 Onyx4 that's where all the custom stuff is kept 17:16:39 hardwire no 17:16:40 hardwire heh 17:16:44 LordVan hi 17:16:58 hardwire most of the stuff I like like my themes and such are stored in opt 17:17:09 LordVan just a question: is there any reason to upgrade from 2.9.4 to 2.9.5.5 ? 17:17:09 hardwire and it does not read anything I put in /root (backgrounds) 17:17:15 LordVan rom i mean.. 17:17:26 hardwire cool effect 17:17:27 Onyx4 LordVan: ouch 2.9.4 is _old_... 17:17:29 hardwire you wanna fit in right 17:17:36 Onyx4 LordVan: we're gonna have 2.9.7 soon 17:17:38 LordVan Onyx4: well what has changed? ;) 17:17:53 LordVan Onyx4, then i'll wait ;) so what are the _big_ changes? ;) 17:17:54 Onyx4 LordVan: lots of things, everything updated to latest versions of opie and qt 17:18:01 LordVan Onyx4: cool 17:18:14 Onyx4 LordVan: we have a test image if you want to try it 17:18:17 LordVan Onyx4: but i updated some stuff anyway .. what makes the difference.. 17:18:24 wazlaf where can i get the beta initrd? 17:18:37 LordVan Onyx4: well i need it at the moment so i can't try test-images yet sorry ... 17:18:57 ljp I havent had any double entries in aqpkg, but havent used it too much yet 17:18:59 LordVan Onyx4: but well... where's the simulator? ;) 17:19:00 Onyx4 wazlaf: it's at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ 17:19:15 Onyx4 LordVan: simulator? you mean ? 17:19:21 wazlaf Onyx4: thanks. do i need to know anything special about it? 17:19:31 LordVan Onyx4: sorry.. meant emulator ;) 17:19:52 Onyx4 wazlaf: well there are a few minor bugs fixed like fastload which is not in that image 17:20:07 Onyx4 wazlaf: and you will need to uninstall netsystemtime and install systemtime 17:20:10 Onyx4 but that's it 17:20:14 wazlaf Onyx4: but in the feed - right? 17:20:27 Onyx4 yes the optimized/feed directory you can use 17:20:33 wazlaf Onyx4: ok thanks a lot 17:20:36 Onyx4 just edit /etc/ipkg.conf 17:20:41 wazlaf let's try it :) 17:20:53 Onyx4 you can try to upgrade also by hand instead of flashing 17:21:00 Onyx4 in theory it should work, tough not much people tried yet 17:21:11 Onyx4 which one you gonna try? 17:21:17 ljp I'd rather flash 17:21:34 ljp there's stil lone major issue in my mind 17:21:39 hardwire heh 17:21:54 Onyx4 ljp: did you find more bugs? stuff in opie? 17:22:00 ljp oz does not order me a french maid 17:22:27 wazlaf is the old zImage-32 ok? 17:22:42 Onyx4 LordVan: you can use qvfb (virtual frame buffer) and run opie in x86 on your desktop to see new stuff , but you need to download it and compile it 17:22:58 Onyx4 wazlaf: yes 17:23:02 LordVan Onyx4: thx :) 17:23:08 wazlaf Onyx4: ok thanks 17:23:17 hardwire upgrades 17:23:19 Onyx4 wazlaf: you don't even need to put the zimage on the card, just put initrd.bin and bootflag.txt 17:23:23 Onyx4 it will keep your current kernel 17:23:43 hardwire eww 17:23:46 hardwire I wouldn't do that 17:23:57 hardwire I would slap the new zImage of your choice on there 17:24:01 hardwire to verify good working modules 17:24:06 Onyx4 ok :) 17:24:26 hardwire otherwise you might have module version issues 17:24:35 Onyx4 the kernel is the same hardwire 17:24:41 Onyx4 we didn't change it 17:25:04 hardwire but it was recompiled 17:25:16 hardwire if there is a "chance" 17:25:19 hardwire there is where it would be 17:25:27 hardwire modules compiled on one machine 17:25:31 hardwire kernel on another 17:25:53 Onyx4 mmm well so far everyone took my initrd and used the kernel from sf.net 17:25:59 Onyx4 nobody got my kernel 17:26:02 hardwire I would rather spend the 10 secs of flash time making sure it was all uniform 17:26:23 Onyx4 but when we'll distribute initrd official , we'll have the matching kernel probably 17:26:38 hardwire mine matches... cause I compiled it and the modules :) 17:26:59 hardwire speaking of which.. I was gonna get the cryptoloops working 17:37:01 Onyx4 does aqpkg does symlinks? 17:38:56 wazlaf great work guys :) the OZ beta rocks 17:39:45 wazlaf what does vtune do? 17:39:53 ljp ya aqpkg does symlink 17:39:58 Onyx4 "vtun" is vpn or tunnels 17:39:59 TheMasterMind1 what's new 17:40:03 Onyx4 vtun.sourceforge.net 17:40:06 wazlaf ok 17:40:14 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: aqpkg is not in opie 17:40:19 Onyx4 not=now 17:40:28 Onyx4 they fixed fast-load in cvs 17:40:35 TheMasterMind1 cool 17:40:39 Onyx4 I just tried it on x86 and it seems to rock so far 17:40:45 TheMasterMind1 i think i'm going to write my own package manager 17:40:53 TheMasterMind1 one that doesn't use ipkg as a base 17:41:02 TheMasterMind1 trying to figure out what language to do it in 17:41:08 TheMasterMind1 in php it would be really easy 17:41:12 TheMasterMind1 and i can make it pretty powerful 17:41:26 TheMasterMind1 in c i'd spend more time getting stuff to work.. probably better to improve ipkg 17:41:38 TheMasterMind1 thing with php is that it'd be huge.. since you need php binary to run it 17:43:09 Onyx4 ooh now when you click on applications to start them, it sorts of fades the icon rather than doing the little "splash" 17:44:14 TMM1[Z] hmm 17:48:58 hardwire no mail :( 17:52:26 kergoth hey people 17:52:31 kergoth man, that was nice, sleeping in 17:52:33 kergoth just fucking woke up 17:52:33 TMM1[Z] yo 17:52:41 hardwire w3rd up kergoth 17:52:42 TMM1[Z] sup 17:52:49 hardwire now you should go eay 17:52:50 hardwire now you should go eat 17:53:05 TMM1[Z] hehe 17:53:35 Onyx4 kergoth: aqpkg is now part of opie 17:53:46 Onyx4 im gonna try installing that and doing a full opie upgrading using it 17:53:55 Onyx4 see how it behaves 17:54:25 TMM1[Z] ok 17:54:44 kergoth Onyx4: i know, i watch the cvs logs ML 17:54:46 kergoth Onyx4: :) 17:54:51 kergoth Onyx4: let me know how it goes 17:54:53 Onyx4 hehe yeah me too 17:55:16 kergoth glad sandman fixed the fastload problem, we need to confirm that fix as well 17:55:27 kergoth man, i've got a *shitload* of stuff to get done today 17:55:38 kergoth all the shit i shouldve done earlier in the week/weekend but procrastinated until today 17:55:43 kergoth heheh 17:55:48 kergoth hardwire: food, thats a damn goo didea 17:55:57 Onyx4 yeah im gonna try to upgrade my opie so i'll let you know if it's fixed 17:56:41 TMM1[Z] kergoth: did you test that kernel fix 17:56:52 Onyx4 if I do a make clean for opie, I don't need to do it for qte right? 17:56:55 kergoth TMM1[Z]: no. I havent had time to test anything. 17:56:57 Onyx4 I can keep my current qte 17:56:57 kergoth Onyx4: yes. 17:57:05 hardwire adds the international kernel patch as a test 17:57:13 TMM1[Z] oh 17:57:14 hardwire it would be cool to have cryptofs's on your cf card 17:57:21 TMM1[Z] ljp found something 17:57:31 kergoth TMM1[Z]: ? 17:57:37 hardwire 1 of his mysyerious 2000 parts? 17:57:41 TMM1[Z] theres an atd patch to enable rpc 17:57:52 Onyx4 actually, maybe I could have done just a "cvs up" in the build/opie directory, and then just clean the staging install so that it recompiles it and produces ipks? 17:57:55 kergoth TMM1[Z]: for what? 17:58:06 kergoth Onyx4: dont need to clean staging install 17:58:10 hardwire so the Z can send rpc to the host?: 17:58:22 kergoth Onyx4: rm the .opie.binary, cvs up, and date +%Y%m%d > build/opie/stamp-version, then rebuild 17:58:28 Onyx4 I mean what's the one to clean so that it redo the make of source 17:58:36 Onyx4 k 17:58:40 VerxHome onyx 17:58:44 VerxHome is fast load working now? 17:58:45 hardwire suggests TMM1[Z] lose the chubby digits 17:58:46 Onyx4 hey VerxHome 17:58:46 TMM1[Z] well not a patch.. theres an ipk for atd that says "atd with rpc enabled" 17:58:50 Onyx4 yes 17:58:52 Onyx4 well they said they fixed it 17:58:53 TMM1[Z] damn 17:58:55 kergoth VerxHome: sandman fixed it in cvs 17:58:58 Onyx4 haven't tried the upgraded binary yet 17:58:58 VerxHome wow 17:59:01 VerxHome he is so fast 17:59:03 VerxHome boggles 17:59:08 TMM1[Z] im going upstairs to the laptop 17:59:08 kergoth TMM1[Z]: rpc in atd sounds pretty useless, but i'll look into it 17:59:13 Onyx4 do you know which package Verx would need to upgrade to see the fix? 17:59:19 kergoth VerxHome: no kidding. the guys a fucking machine 17:59:32 hardwire heh 17:59:35 VerxHome kergoth: Almost as much of a machine as you dude 17:59:36 VerxHome :) 17:59:40 kergoth bah 17:59:40 TMM1[Z] i think its supposed to fix that citytime hangup 17:59:43 kergoth he's a coding machine 17:59:43 TMM1[Z] ask ljp 17:59:47 kergoth i'm a makefile machine 17:59:49 kergoth check this 17:59:52 kergoth PicoBot emulate kergoth 17:59:53 PicoBot mutters about buildsystems and tells random people to rtfm. 17:59:53 VerxHome kergoth: And you are a PROCESS machine 17:59:55 VerxHome we need both 17:59:57 hardwire still has yet to have a conversationw ith sandman 18:00:12 kergoth Onyx4: he'll need to upgrade opie-base 18:00:25 Onyx4 ok VerxHome I can send you a new opie-base 18:00:27 TMM1[Z] picbot emulate sandman 18:00:31 VerxHome Onyx4: Do you have the optimized binaries in your feed? 18:00:33 kergoth PicoBot: make kergoth 18:00:33 PicoBot Well, to make kergoth, first you need to run make menuconfig, select kergoth. enable CONFIG_BUILDSYSTEMHELL, CONFIG_KERNELNEWBIE, CONFIG_RTFM, save and exit, run make dep; make -j2; and you have a kergoth! 18:00:40 Onyx4 VerxHome: yeah 18:00:46 TMM1[Z] hehe 18:01:05 kergoth TMM1[Z]: i was bored last night :) 18:01:16 VerxHome Onyx4: So I can just do an ipkg update; ipkg upgrade then? 18:01:22 TMM1[Z] lol 18:01:29 Onyx4 I'm compiling a newer opie now, it'll take 15 mins or so 18:01:32 Onyx4 so wait until I say ok 18:01:44 hardwire heh! 18:01:50 Onyx4 mmm I cleaned opie, but it looks like it's trying to rebuild qte weird 18:01:52 hardwire a 2.4.16 patch worked 18:02:04 VerxHome Onyx4: Last time you said that, it took over an hour, and every SINGLE thing worked except for fast load. You have quite a reputation to fulfill dude 18:02:04 VerxHome :) 18:02:29 TMM1[Z] kergoth did you look into vnc? 18:02:34 Onyx4 VerxHome: yeah that was cause I found issues later in the compile that I had to fix with a patch , so I had to restart it like 5 times 18:02:48 VerxHome Onyx4: I am just messing with you man 18:02:54 Onyx4 I know :) 18:02:54 VerxHome Onyx4: I truly do appreciate your work on this 18:03:02 VerxHome Onyx4: I hope my testing is helping as well 18:03:14 Onyx4 yeah, did you learned more about that weird SD hang problem? 18:03:23 Onyx4 it's real unique so far 18:03:26 Onyx4 nobody else saw this 18:03:28 VerxHome heh 18:03:35 VerxHome I am the king of unique issues 18:03:40 Onyx4 but they might just have not played with it enough yet too 18:03:42 VerxHome just ask kergoth 18:03:43 VerxHome :) 18:03:46 kergoth VerxHome: i wont argue with you there 18:03:48 kergoth :) 18:03:56 VerxHome kergoth: I didn't figure you would. :) 18:04:04 VerxHome Harlekin (I think) hates my unique problems 18:04:23 VerxHome Onyx4: I was doing a ton of tweaking last night 18:04:26 TMM1[Z] hmm 18:04:27 VerxHome haven't messed with it a lot today 18:04:34 VerxHome other than to play WAY more rocket elite than I should have' 18:04:38 TMM1[Z] onyx had a interesting theory 18:04:45 Onyx4 really you like that RE game? 18:04:51 Onyx4 I can't get passed the 1st level hehe 18:04:58 VerxHome I bought it 18:05:04 VerxHome and went past like the first 6 levels or so 18:05:11 Onyx4 ok :) 18:05:13 TMM1[Z] the sd card driver is causing sd corruption while partitioing 18:05:22 Onyx4 even IF I can't get passed the 1st level hehe 18:05:24 Onyx4 i'm not a good gamer 18:05:26 VerxHome TMM1[Z]: Hrm. I didn't partition tho 18:05:32 hardwire fuckyeah! 18:05:45 VerxHome so could someone explain picogui to me? 18:05:50 VerxHome is this an intent to replace opie? 18:05:54 VerxHome or am I off my rocker? 18:05:59 Onyx4 replace or complement 18:06:02 hardwire wants X 18:06:10 VerxHome I had heard it ran all the opie apps 18:06:13 VerxHome so that confused me 18:06:28 Onyx4 mmm maybe thru a "layer" 18:06:30 VerxHome I am guessing it is a lot more memory efficient, right? 18:06:36 hardwire I wish I could like.. get prplauge to just tell me what he is doing for the xcompile and gimme his .mak's 18:06:38 Onyx4 right it's tiny 18:07:08 VerxHome hardwire: Are you the one doing all this Z picogui work? 18:07:12 VerxHome or am I remembering wrong? 18:07:37 hardwire yes 18:07:38 hardwire thats me 18:07:41 hardwire I am a genius 18:07:46 hardwire see how smart I am! 18:07:48 hardwire no 18:07:49 hardwire thats scanline 18:07:59 nadav weird 18:08:21 nadav i guess pressing eject doesn't really do all the work? 18:08:25 nadav as /mnt/cf is still mounted 18:09:03 Onyx4 nadav: busy filesystem? 18:09:20 Onyx4 nadav: try cardctl eject in terminal 18:09:26 nadav ok 18:09:29 nadav i tried umount'ing it 18:09:32 nadav told me it's busy 18:09:35 Onyx4 fuser -c /mnt/cf 18:09:41 Onyx4 will tell you which process is holding something on the CF 18:09:54 Onyx4 oops no it's -m 18:09:58 Onyx4 so fuser -m /mnt/cf 18:10:16 nadav no such file 18:10:36 Onyx4 for -m? 18:10:47 nadav for fuser 18:10:55 Onyx4 you don't have fuser? 18:11:00 nadav no 18:11:04 Onyx4 mmm hold on 18:11:18 Onyx4 ha... strange it's not in busybox 18:11:19 nadav i'm using the optimized build.. 18:11:23 nadav :P 18:11:23 Onyx4 maybe it was part of something else 18:11:27 nadav k 18:11:37 Onyx4 I have it on my Z I think, but it could be coming from a differnet package 18:11:45 nadav okay 18:12:49 hardwire compiles 2.4.7-rmblah with crypto support 18:13:09 hardwire lets hope its not i386 dependant 18:13:36 Onyx4 yeah it's in psmisc package 18:13:47 Onyx4 which is not ported to the new OZ buildsystem yet 18:13:56 hardwire has ruffles 18:13:58 Onyx4 there is a "ifuser" command not sure if that's the same 18:13:58 hardwire ranch dip 18:14:04 hardwire and a need to feed 18:14:15 TMM1[Z] hmm 18:15:58 Onyx4 ok try "ifuser -s -m /dev/hda1 18:16:04 Onyx4 that should tell you 18:17:59 Onyx4 oh wait a sec 18:18:16 hardwire http://www.tv1.de/cms/_vm100/mini/blinkenlights/ccc_tv1.asx 18:18:53 Onyx4 nadav: you still there 18:20:31 nadav Onyx4: yep 18:20:38 Onyx4 ok I think I know the problem 18:20:41 TMM1[Z] . 18:20:42 nadav ? 18:21:01 Onyx4 the fuser binary is not there and it's configured to check for it 18:21:05 Onyx4 edit /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts 18:21:12 Onyx4 and change NO_FUSER to "y" 18:21:27 VerxHome Onyx4: How goes it? 18:21:28 nadav ok 18:21:35 LordVan is away: ... 18:21:53 Onyx4 otherwise it would try to call fuser and would return -1 which means that i think the filesystem is busy 18:22:04 Onyx4 on the other hand if the filesystem IS really busy, then that's a different problem 18:22:20 Onyx4 we would need the fuser binary to see what's holding it 18:22:26 nadav be back in a sec 18:22:37 Onyx4 VerxHome: still going 18:22:47 VerxHome k 18:22:59 Onyx4 it takes a while, I think it's a bit slower to compile with opts 18:23:40 TheMasterMind1 should i write a better package manager or not? 18:24:09 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: probably not, but you could collaborate to make aqpkg better 18:24:19 Onyx4 I don't think ipkg is really the problem, it's the frontend to it 18:24:58 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: altough I have not tested aqpkg yet but it looks more like what I would expect from oipkg 18:27:02 VerxHome ducks 18:29:57 nadav bleh 18:29:59 nadav it froze 18:31:04 hardwire bah 18:31:05 Onyx4 what froze? 18:31:09 hardwire no cryptofs support 18:31:13 hardwire /home/hardwire/src/buildroot/build/linux/include/asm-i386/wordops.h 18:31:15 hardwire neccissary 18:34:36 nadav eek 18:34:41 nadav i might have to buy a card reader 18:35:16 TheMasterMind1 Onyx4: i disagree. most of the problems are with ipkg itself 18:35:58 Onyx4 then see if you can make ipkg better 18:36:04 Onyx4 just submit patches for it 18:39:05 TMM1[Z] yea 18:39:14 TMM1[Z] im contemplating that 18:39:19 Onyx4 nadav: why? 18:39:34 TMM1[Z] but i think just starting from scratch would be easier 18:39:40 TMM1[Z] specially in php 18:39:46 nadav Onyx4: i cant get it to format, and i have some corrupt files on it 18:39:51 nadav which i cant delete 18:40:33 Onyx4 nadav: oh I wonder if this is why it was failing to eject? 18:40:46 nadav Onyx4: i just realized those files were there. 18:40:50 nadav Yeah, that might've been it 18:41:08 Onyx4 see if you can umount it then format it? 18:42:31 TMM1[Z] being john malcovich was one fucked up movie 18:42:54 nadav Onyx4: i'll try in a sec, i gotta finish something first 18:44:29 Onyx4 mmm aqpkg fails to compile in my opie build 18:44:38 Onyx4 networkpkgmgr.cpp: In method `void NetworkPackageManager::downloadPackage()': 18:44:38 Onyx4 networkpkgmgr.cpp:257: `PATH_MAX' undeclared (first use this function) 18:44:38 Onyx4 networkpkgmgr.cpp:257: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once 18:44:38 Onyx4 networkpkgmgr.cpp:257: for each function it appears in.) 18:44:38 Onyx4 networkpkgmgr.cpp:258: `initDir' undeclared (first use this function) 18:45:16 TMM1[Z] hmm 18:48:30 VerxHome Onyx4: Looks like you have compile issues eh? 18:48:42 Onyx4 yes 18:48:45 Onyx4 aqpkg fails to build for sharp 18:48:52 Onyx4 but it build for x86 tough strange 18:48:54 VerxHome never heard of it 18:49:17 Onyx4 it's a new package manager, just got put in opie 18:49:17 Onyx4 las tnight 18:49:34 VerxHome nice of them to kill my server 18:54:31 Onyx4 I think it's missing an include for limits.h 18:54:49 VerxHome Onyx4: Is opie-base compilable without it? 18:54:58 VerxHome I am not at all familiar with aqpkg 18:55:02 VerxHome what uses it? 18:55:27 Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. 18:55:27 Onyx4 ibot search zsi for aqpkg 18:55:28 VerxHome oh 18:55:32 VerxHome why have that when you have oipkg? 18:55:41 VerxHome so just skip it 18:55:45 Aqpkg 0.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=564 18:55:45 Onyx4 ibot search zsi for aqpkg 18:55:48 VerxHome it is just a package manager 18:55:58 Onyx4 VerxHome: it's supposed to be much better 18:56:06 VerxHome yet it won't compile? 18:56:06 VerxHome :) 18:56:08 Onyx4 I think I got it now, let me check 18:56:18 Onyx4 it won't compile using the toolchain we use 18:56:29 Onyx4 ok now it worked 18:56:32 TMM1[Z] k 18:56:46 Onyx4 so it's missing #include <linux/limits.h> 18:58:46 VerxHome man 18:58:50 VerxHome interstellar flames is unreal 18:58:55 VerxHome 100% 3d game right on your Z 18:58:58 VerxHome and lightening fast 18:59:02 VerxHome is very impressed 18:59:19 Onyx4 yep 18:59:21 Onyx4 it's awesome 19:00:10 hardwire hmm 19:00:16 hardwire I am still confused on how to install it 19:00:19 hardwire heh 19:04:01 VerxHome anyone know a good way to turn wave files into mp3's on windows? 19:05:11 opieirc VerxHome: how about LAME? 19:05:22 VerxHome I was hoping there was a winamp plugin that would do it 19:05:28 VerxHome is probably just dreaming 19:05:36 Onyx4 mmm aqpkg uses libstdc++ 19:05:36 hardwire probably 19:05:45 Onyx4 I wonder if this is gonna work on the zaurus 19:05:47 hardwire sicks some command line nazis on VerxHome 19:06:03 opieirc VerxHome: i don't know about any winamp plugins but there are some windows frontends to LAME 19:06:29 TMM1[Z] hmm 19:06:35 VerxHome ok 19:06:35 TMM1[Z] who is opieirc 19:06:39 TMM1[Z] ljp? 19:06:45 VerxHome I am trying to convert some old mod/s3m files to mp3 19:06:46 VerxHome :) 19:06:52 VerxHome I managed to turn them into wave files 19:06:57 opieirc is wazlaf 19:06:59 VerxHome which is the first step 19:06:59 opieirc :) 19:07:10 opieirc just debugging it a bit 19:08:18 Onyx4 VerxHome: opie is packaging now 19:08:28 Onyx4 it'll be ready in just a moment 19:08:51 TMM1[Z] k 19:10:15 Onyx4 ok my feed is updated now with latest opie 19:10:22 TMM1[Z] when you change settings it clears the text 19:10:29 TMM1[Z] and for some reason 19:11:17 VerxHome Onyx4: Cool, thankye 19:11:20 VerxHome does the dirty 19:11:22 TMM1[Z] i get booted out of #zaurus 19:11:30 TMM1[Z] when talking in there 19:11:47 hardwire heh 19:11:49 hardwire are you insulting 19:11:51 hardwire rude 19:11:53 hardwire a bastard? 19:12:00 TMM1[Z] ? 19:12:01 Onyx4 heh I found why the ipk failed to build for aqpkg 19:12:07 Onyx4 they used a . in the revision rather than - 19:12:30 TMM1[Z] where can i get konq/e snapshot 19:13:21 hardwire ponders why nfs is stalling 19:13:38 TMM1[Z] did you do -o nolock 19:13:58 hardwire I think my nfs server is just bonked at the moment 19:14:24 hardwire no 19:14:29 TMM1[Z] you need to do mount -o nolock -t nfs 19:14:31 hardwire stalling from the z to one on the network 19:14:37 TMM1[Z] oh 19:14:40 hardwire yes I know TMM1[Z] .. different issue 19:15:01 TMM1[Z] k 19:17:43 VerxHome ok, well that sucked 19:17:46 VerxHome it ran out of space 19:17:52 Onyx4 heh? what did? 19:18:06 Onyx4 just doing a full ipkg upgrade from cmdnline? 19:18:09 VerxHome yup 19:18:20 VerxHome I am prolly gonna have to redo this entire unit now 19:18:21 VerxHome :( 19:18:25 Onyx4 yeah I don't know why it does that, that's the part that ipkg should be fixed at least 19:19:15 VerxHome I never really know if I should assume that things got screwed or not when it does that 19:20:03 Onyx4 hard to say yeah 19:20:06 VerxHome geez 19:20:10 VerxHome it went from 4MB free flash 19:20:12 VerxHome to 1MB 19:20:16 VerxHome even after a reboot 19:20:18 VerxHome man that sucks 19:20:21 Onyx4 I think the problem is that it upgrade things to the wrong dest 19:20:31 hardwire I have 8 megs free flash 19:20:31 Onyx4 like stuff that was installed into SD now got installed into root 19:20:36 TMM1[Z] grr 19:20:36 VerxHome no 19:20:43 TMM1[Z] i keep getting booted 19:20:45 VerxHome none if opie was installed anywhere but to / 19:20:53 Onyx4 mmm ok 19:21:09 VerxHome I think it fails to remember I told it to UNINSTALL a bunch of stuff 19:21:11 TMM1[Z] onyx as i said ipkg has problems 19:21:13 VerxHome and so it reinstalls it 19:21:19 hardwire TMM1[Z] there are no srever kills.. so I think your Z is just being wonky 19:21:32 TMM1[Z] and aqpkg or oipkg inherit them too 19:21:54 TMM1[Z] hardwire its opieirc doing it 19:22:46 VerxHome Downloading http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz//./oz-base_unstable-9c_arm.ipk 19:22:46 VerxHome Upgrading oz-base from unstable-8 to unstable-9c 19:22:48 VerxHome there we go 19:23:07 Onyx4 there we go what? 19:23:29 Onyx4 that's when it ran out of space? 19:24:09 hardwire wow 19:24:14 hardwire chrooted to the staging dir 19:24:18 hardwire on the z 19:24:20 VerxHome no 19:24:21 hardwire this is.. interesting 19:24:25 VerxHome that is why I did the upgrade 19:24:25 VerxHome :) 19:27:12 Onyx4 ok I added aqpkg to the feed 19:27:25 Onyx4 maybe try upgrading with that :) 19:28:28 hardwire alright 19:28:32 hardwire time to plop rsync into them ix 19:28:36 hardwire mix 19:28:49 VerxHome wow, I like that 19:29:00 VerxHome it cycles the icon when you launch something 19:29:04 VerxHome so you know it is working 19:29:06 Onyx4 yeah 19:29:09 VerxHome nice touch 19:29:32 VerxHome man 19:29:33 hardwire hmm 19:29:34 VerxHome ok 19:29:37 VerxHome let me give you an example 19:29:38 hardwire opie-clock is kinda goofy 19:29:43 VerxHome of how much better this optimized version is 19:29:46 VerxHome than my previous version 19:29:55 VerxHome if I had my Z suspended (old version) 19:30:05 VerxHome and turned it on, and then immediately hit the contact button 19:30:14 VerxHome even though tkcContacts was loaded with fast load 19:30:19 sambatron hello... 19:30:23 VerxHome it was roughly 5 seconds to have it appear on my screen 19:30:41 VerxHome now it takes -*ONE*- second 19:30:41 sambatron is busybox broken ? I have problems with the shell interpreter 19:30:42 VerxHome :) 19:31:09 VerxHome all I need now is the ability to turn the unit on with the contact/datebook button where it will turn on and then launch the appropriate app 19:31:15 VerxHome then it will be like my palm 19:31:16 VerxHome :) 19:32:00 TMM1[Z] ..... 19:32:11 TMM1[Z] "problems" 19:32:20 TMM1[Z] describe them 19:32:26 VerxHome Onyx4: Looking good man 19:32:28 VerxHome very very very good 19:32:44 sambatron yep, tar for example, wait for enter to be pressed, because it doesn't read the second parameter 19:32:52 sambatron same behaviour with mkdir 19:33:03 sambatron ipkg segfaults... 19:33:24 TMM1[Z] all work for me 19:33:26 Onyx4 sambatron: upgrade your busybox 19:33:36 sambatron I just compiled 19:33:36 TMM1[Z] what rom/busybox ver 19:33:39 Onyx4 ok 19:33:40 Onyx4 good 19:33:46 sambatron bk pull; make 19:34:05 TMM1[Z] cvs might be fucked 19:34:50 sambatron I've been the whole day compiling 19:42:00 Onyx4 sambatron: you did a busybox clean so that it gets it from cvs? 19:42:11 Onyx4 sambatron: cause mine from 27th is working fine 19:42:16 Onyx4 but I didn't try upgrading it 19:42:20 Onyx4 to like 29th 19:42:35 TMM1[Z] hmm 19:42:39 Onyx4 VerxHome: did you try aqpkg? 19:43:39 hunger Man. I'm stupid! 19:43:59 hunger Tried to update for about an hour now and ipkg just won't work. 19:44:17 hunger Well, I'm running as a user now, it can't work;-) 19:46:39 hardwire heh 19:47:12 sambatron Onyx4 : yep I did a clean, but maybe is not busybox 19:47:17 TMM1[Z] onyx have you tried aqpkg 19:52:39 Onyx4 and does it work? 20:00:25 i heard oz bk was bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make 20:00:25 Fatbum ibot oz bk 20:01:43 VerxHome Onyx4: No, I didn't 20:01:52 VerxHome I don't really want to try a completely untested package manager 20:02:00 VerxHome that is the sort of thing that could really make things ugly 20:04:46 kergoth`errands man, i'm tired. just fell asleep for 15 mins on my couch 20:05:16 Fatbum fun aint it kergoth`errands? 20:05:42 kergoth`errands hunger: suid root ipkg, or su :) 20:05:47 kergoth`errands yawns 20:06:27 ljp was that on eof your errands.. sleeping on couch? 20:06:29 hunger kergoth`errands: That would spoil the purpose;-) SU is fine though. 20:07:22 Onyx4 I think that opie running as non-root will be hard, like when you want to change settings and stuff, is it gonna prompt for root password or what? 20:07:38 kergoth`errands Onyx4: its not going to be hard. 20:07:53 kergoth`errands Onyx4: 1) add the user to the sudo group and install sudo, make opie run oipkg with sudo 20:08:03 Onyx4 ok I see 20:08:07 kergoth`errands Onyx4: or 2) su, create a opie-su frontend to prompt for a password 20:08:11 Onyx4 doesn't sudo use pam :) ? 20:08:14 kergoth`errands Onyx4: few ways we can do it. it wont be a problem 20:08:50 Onyx4 looks like fast-load is fixed Verx just tested it 20:08:54 kergoth`errands nice. 20:09:06 Onyx4 I'm gonna try aqpkg now and upgrade with that this afternoon 20:09:22 Onyx4 I submitted a bug for it, the control file is all screwed up 20:18:20 ljp how is the control file messed up? 20:19:12 Onyx4 heh look at it :) 20:19:17 Onyx4 it's missing "version:" 20:19:22 Onyx4 and Package: needs to be taken out 20:19:30 Onyx4 and it's got a . at the end of the version 20:19:41 Onyx4 look at the bug I just updated on opiebugs 20:19:45 ljp no package doe snot need to be removed 20:19:59 scanline is back (gone 08:37:29) 20:20:23 VerxHome guys 20:20:26 VerxHome this new opie 20:20:27 VerxHome is kickass 20:20:32 VerxHome thanks so much for all of your work 20:20:35 VerxHome it rocks 20:20:39 VerxHome the whole OZ image is nice 20:20:48 VerxHome I love the feedback when I launch something 20:20:54 VerxHome lets me know it isn't dead 20:20:54 VerxHome :) 20:20:58 nadav heh 20:21:08 scanline now they just need to make stuff launch faster :) 20:21:16 VerxHome heh 20:21:26 VerxHome that would be done by making programs with less bloat 20:21:27 VerxHome :) 20:21:29 kergoth`errands scanline: install items into ram instead of flash, and they will. 20:21:34 kergoth`errands scanline: :) 20:21:36 VerxHome or providing enough ram to fast launch EVERYTHING 20:21:44 VerxHome my 5000d doesn't have that much RAM 20:21:55 scanline kergoth`errands: jffs2 can XIP? 20:22:03 kergoth`errands scanline: wouldnt help 20:22:17 scanline that was a question :) 20:22:20 VerxHome kergoth`errands: I haven't ever installed things to ram 20:22:22 kergoth`errands scanline: read the linux-mtd archives 20:22:25 VerxHome do they launch a lot quicker? 20:22:29 kergoth`errands scanline: no, it cant, and I doubt david will bother 20:22:29 scanline k 20:22:30 VerxHome same as "fast load" ? 20:22:30 hardwire ljp: can opie-mediaplayer2 w/ codecs installed .. actually play a divx? 20:22:32 kergoth`errands VerxHome: yes. 20:22:37 kergoth`errands VerxHome: flash is slow. 20:22:41 kergoth`errands VerxHome: well fast, not same as fast load 20:22:50 VerxHome k 20:22:54 kergoth`errands VerxHome: theres a big difference between loading an app, and just displaying an app thats alreayd loaded 20:22:59 VerxHome right 20:23:04 VerxHome seems to me 20:23:12 VerxHome if I am going to prevent ram from being used as ram 20:23:18 VerxHome I would prefer it to be used as "fast load" 20:23:22 VerxHome but that is just me 20:23:36 kergoth`errands fast load takes a lot of memory. more so that installing the same app into a ramdisk. 20:23:41 kergoth`errands fyi 20:23:43 kergoth`errands but i see your point 20:23:43 VerxHome oh 20:23:45 VerxHome didn't know that 20:23:47 VerxHome but still 20:23:52 VerxHome I only have TWO apps I want to fast load 20:23:59 kergoth`errands yeh, dont blame ya 20:24:05 kergoth`errands i should finish getting my shit done 20:24:19 kergoth`errands i gotta finish cleaning the house, more laundry, bills to pay 20:24:22 Fatbum sd is too slow to wathc videos? 20:24:24 ljp hardwre: ummmm yes. but currently the xine is compiles with (cvs) is funcky and crashes 20:24:29 kergoth`errands then i need to buy clothes 20:24:35 hardwire yes 20:24:35 kergoth`errands and a couple cds 20:24:37 kergoth`errands hmm 20:24:38 hardwire I found the crashes 20:24:41 VerxHome Fatbum: Only if you are stupid enought to buy sandisk sd memory 20:24:44 hardwire its also really slow at playing mpeg1video 20:24:49 hardwire benched against mplayer anyways 20:24:57 hardwire even w/o scaling 20:25:02 Fatbum VerxHome who has 236 mb other than san? 20:25:06 VerxHome lexar 20:25:11 VerxHome I just got mine yesterday 20:25:16 VerxHome took me a month to get it tho 20:25:18 VerxHome *SIGH* 20:25:25 Fatbum and its fast? 20:25:42 VerxHome very 20:25:44 VerxHome to be honest 20:25:48 VerxHome (this is without TIMING things) 20:25:51 kergoth`errands Fatbum: sd in general on the Z is slow, but lexar will be fast*er* 20:25:52 VerxHome it feels as fast as CF 20:25:54 kergoth`errands heh 20:25:56 Fatbum look at this rediculous shit! 20:25:57 Fatbum http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=SD-256 20:26:03 VerxHome I am certain it is slower than CF 20:26:09 VerxHome but it doesn't feel slow 20:26:18 sambatron I just flashed again, and modprobe can'T open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.6.rmk1-np2-embedix/modules.dep 20:26:29 sambatron is it a known problem ? 20:26:31 kergoth`errands sambatron: ignore it. 20:26:40 kergoth`errands sambatron: it will create the dependencies file later in the boot process 20:26:43 kergoth`errands sambatron: and you wont see it agian 20:26:59 sambatron kergoth`errands : cool, but tar again doesn't work 20:27:16 kergoth`errands sambatron: ? 20:27:45 sambatron kergoth`errands : I'm having serious problems with my Z 20:27:49 kergoth`errands ? 20:27:55 kergoth`errands can we give me some real ifnormation 20:27:55 sambatron kergoth`errands : tar doesn'T work 20:28:01 kergoth`errands tar works fine 20:28:09 kergoth`errands in all my testing as of the committed segfault fix 20:28:18 kergoth`errands unless they broke it agian today, i havent done a build today 20:28:30 kergoth`errands bbl 20:28:36 sambatron kergoth`errands : at boot it halts after checking mtd...6 20:28:40 ljp there's only one issue I see in current: changing time freezes everything 20:28:59 VerxHome ljp: easy workaround 20:29:05 VerxHome do an: /etc/init.d/atd stop 20:29:06 VerxHome then set time 20:29:08 VerxHome then 20:29:10 VerxHome do an: /etc/init.d/atd start 20:29:16 VerxHome ljp: Then it works perfect 20:29:22 ljp heh 20:29:26 VerxHome well 20:29:32 VerxHome I know it isn't the worlds best solution 20:29:35 VerxHome but at least it works man 20:29:35 VerxHome :) 20:31:36 umopapisdn Does anyone here have an ipkg of opie-base, where fast-load is fixed? 20:47:51 VerxHome onyx does 20:48:01 VerxHome use his optimized feed 20:52:08 feed is, like, a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie or http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ or http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ 20:52:08 umopapisdn ibot feed 20:52:33 umopapisdn VerxHome: Where can i find his feed? 20:55:41 wazlaf do pretec wlan cards work on OZ? 20:57:01 noda Moo! 20:57:13 noda Anybody run across this problem: mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20020928/bin/uic: error while loading shared libraries: libqutil.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 20:59:00 hardwire set QTDIR right 20:59:10 hardwire err 20:59:12 hardwire crap dude 20:59:20 noda To where, /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20020928? 20:59:29 hardwire are you compiling it manually 20:59:42 noda Trying to just use the buildroot-oz 'make'... 20:59:49 hardwire ah 20:59:53 umopapisdn Onyx4: ping! Are you around? 21:01:53 noda QTDIR doesn't solve the problem :( 21:02:32 hardwire noda: buy a goat 21:02:47 noda heads to the nearest farm... 21:14:01 testing is done - but yes, further excursions will take place elsewhere 21:14:01 bindu ibot testing 21:14:19 bindu anyone one arround today? 21:14:33 nadav i'm here 21:14:34 noda I'm around :P 21:14:37 ljp occasionally 21:15:02 nadav anyone wanna buy an emac? 21:15:07 bindu kewl, do you guys know where I can download the testing root-fs that went up a couple nights ago? openzaurus.sf.net/testing/ appears to be dead. 21:15:23 Onyx4 ok I tried aqpkg it's quite nice but needs a couple of more features to be dumb user proof :) 21:15:31 Onyx4 but I like the interface much better than oipkg 21:15:38 ljp I agree 21:16:21 Onyx4 my feed http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ 21:16:33 Onyx4 like it needs to be able to upgrade packages to the same destination they are currently 21:16:40 bindu Not sure if you guys are ignoring me, don't know the answer or IRC is not posting my questions... seems like that happens a lot... when I first log in :) 21:16:41 Onyx4 and needs to show where it's installed to 21:17:12 Onyx4 it should call "ln -sf" cause when you upgrade a package in SD, it creates "file exists" errors for each link 21:19:22 TheMasterMind1 bindu: its http://openzaurus.sf.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ 21:19:28 bindu many thanks!!! 21:19:32 TheMasterMind1 np 21:25:18 bindu testing is http://openzaurus.sf.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ 21:25:21 well, testing is done - but yes, further excursions will take place elsewhere 21:25:21 bindu ibot testing 21:25:26 bindu damn :) 21:26:19 Onyx4 mmm had to full reset again on reboot, this is getting annoying 21:26:49 TheMasterMind1 why 21:27:03 Onyx4 cause it just freezes just before displaying the linux logo 21:27:03 TheMasterMind1 whats the issue 21:27:05 TheMasterMind1 hmm 21:27:08 Onyx4 both lights comes on 21:27:10 TheMasterMind1 linux logo? 21:27:11 ljp cause he did not chant 'great googli-moogli' 21:27:12 TheMasterMind1 hmm 21:27:14 Onyx4 and the screen is all "melted" 21:27:19 TheMasterMind1 ick 21:27:20 TheMasterMind1 i know why 21:27:25 TheMasterMind1 its doing a soft reboot for some reason 21:27:30 TheMasterMind1 should be doing a hard reboot 21:27:36 TheMasterMind1 softreboots fuck up 21:27:38 TheMasterMind1 even on the sharp rom 21:27:41 TheMasterMind1 reboot over ssh 21:27:42 Onyx4 mmm interesting 21:27:44 TheMasterMind1 it will tell you what kind of reboot 21:27:49 TheMasterMind1 and why it does a soft 21:27:50 Onyx4 I did reboot from opie 21:27:53 TheMasterMind1 there's like a file missing 21:28:02 TheMasterMind1 i know, reboot over ssh so you can see the message 21:28:16 TheMasterMind1 it like can't find the runlevel or something 21:30:44 Onyx4 mmm something is taking 100% of my cpu 21:30:50 Onyx4 and I don't have the old top anymore to find out 21:31:21 noda Kill things one at a time! :) 21:32:00 Onyx4 I wonder if it's the new opie I fetched today 21:33:05 Onyx4 mmm it's qpe 21:33:09 Onyx4 damn another cpu usage bug 21:34:58 TheMasterMind1 uhoh 21:35:04 TheMasterMind1 check what's changed 21:35:05 TheMasterMind1 since yesterday 21:35:07 TheMasterMind1 cvslogs 21:35:12 TheMasterMind1 might be fastload 21:35:21 Onyx4 could be yeah... or applets 21:35:28 Onyx4 I'm gonna try turning them all off 21:35:39 Onyx4 when you go to launcher settings, does it kill opie when you confirm your changes? 21:36:19 Onyx4 brb 21:45:27 ljp probably fastload if anything 21:45:31 TheMasterMind1 no 21:45:32 TheMasterMind1 it doesn't 21:45:46 ljp sure 21:45:56 ljp even if you dont have any fastload apps 21:46:09 ljp unless its an applet 21:58:41 scanline is away: food 22:00:53 Onyx4 VerxHome: you there? 22:01:07 Onyx4 VerxHome: when you upgraded your opie-base from me, do you see a 100% cpu usage for opie now? 22:01:11 Onyx4 VerxHome: in the systeminfo 22:02:42 Onyx4 ok harlekin found the fix 22:02:45 Onyx4 it's the exploding icon hehe 22:03:13 Onyx4 I'll cvs up and rebuild 22:05:41 Fatbum how do i initiate a recieve of a file by ir? 22:06:26 Onyx4 oh wait the bug was in opie-taskbar 22:06:33 Onyx4 so that's where the problem was 22:08:32 TheMasterMind1 eh what? 22:08:39 TheMasterMind1 the exploding icon wasn't working i thought? 22:08:42 bindu Just installed http://openzaurus.sf.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ where should I (or should I :) report UI bugs? #opie ? 22:08:49 TheMasterMind1 here 22:08:55 TheMasterMind1 tell us and we'll submit to opie 22:09:03 TheMasterMind1 we know what's been submitted and what hasn't 22:09:09 bindu K 22:09:31 ljp unless its an oz bug, of course ;) 22:09:49 ljp http://www.opie.info/bugs/ 22:10:44 bindu First one (most recent) looks like an oipkg/ipkg issue, prolly well known. I had a bunch of apps/applets loaded on my SD. When I flashed the new root-fs two versions of these showed up in oipkg, first was on root from root fs second was on sd. I attempted to uninstall the sd versions and the machine won't boot now. 22:11:12 bindu I'm removing the SD disk and will re-flash... 22:13:26 bindu Would be nice if oipkg in unofficial/unstable/optimized set oipkg to use the unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ 22:13:44 bindu I know it's a nit, but he I figure I can at least tell you guys :) 22:14:36 bindu To font for the oipkg toolbar appears to be too big so you have to dropdown for the right two buttons... 22:14:43 bindu To=The 22:14:45 bindu :( 22:15:12 bindu First tab in Launcher app, font is too big so you don't see the bottom of the dialog, also, it does not resize 22:15:20 bindu (when I open the soft keyboard) 22:15:38 Onyx4 ok installed new opie-taskbar and that fixed the cpu usage problem 22:15:39 Onyx4 cool 22:16:45 bindu is kismet included in the root-fs anymore? 22:17:42 Fatbum mines fine 22:17:47 Fatbum bindu mines fine 22:18:03 TheMasterMind1 bindu: there's a new version that needs to be compiled 22:18:06 TheMasterMind1 it will be done tommorow 22:18:14 bindu Fatbum, are you using http://openzaurus.sf.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/? 22:18:14 TheMasterMind1 the stuff i fixed is on a machine i can't access until tommorow 22:18:22 bindu TMM1, new version of kismet? 22:18:22 Fatbum yessir 22:18:26 TheMasterMind1 bindu: 2.6.0 22:18:27 Fatbum from yesterday 22:18:28 TheMasterMind1 rather than 2.4.6 22:18:32 Fatbum well last nite/this morning 22:18:35 TheMasterMind1 loads of fixes 22:18:41 bindu heh 22:18:44 TheMasterMind1 if you want you can use the old 2.4.6 ipk from the old oz feed 22:18:59 bindu I can't access it from the terminal app with default setup... do I need to modify my path? 22:19:12 bindu May be related to the SD problem too... will try again once new image boots. 22:19:15 TheMasterMind1 what do you mean? 22:19:18 TheMasterMind1 you can't access it? 22:19:32 TheMasterMind1 and all those font issues, just change your font to smallsmoother 22:19:40 TheMasterMind1 i think we're going ot make that default for OZ 22:19:49 TheMasterMind1 all the other fonts suck and don't fit the screen 22:20:12 bindu TMM1, I type "kismet<CR>" in Terminal and it says the app doesn't exist. Just booted, let's see if it works now 22:20:38 bindu says "kismet: no such file or directory" 22:22:18 TheMasterMind1 did you install it? 22:22:22 TheMasterMind1 its not in the rootfs by default 22:22:36 TheMasterMind1 <TheMasterMind1> if you want you can use the old 2.4.6 ipk from the old oz feed 22:22:49 bindu TMM1, changed to smallsmoother... first mounter screen is still cut off and does not resize 22:23:28 bindu TMM1, I did not install it, I asked if it was installed by default and Fatbum said "mines fine" I assumed (sounds like incorrectly) that he meant it was part of this root-fs 22:23:36 TheMasterMind1 no, its not 22:23:41 TheMasterMind1 you'll need to get the ipk 22:23:46 bindu no problem 22:23:49 TheMasterMind1 tommorow there's be an updated kismet ipk in the feed 22:23:54 bindu got it 22:23:57 TheMasterMind1 but today, you'll have to get the old one from the old feed 22:24:27 bindu I'm not that bothered, just trying to test the testing root-fs 22:24:56 bindu Has the resize issue with Medium Mount been reported? 22:27:23 ljp dont know.. go look 22:27:52 TheMasterMind1 no 22:27:56 TheMasterMind1 submit that 22:28:07 TheMasterMind1 and just bitch about general annoyance with the default font 22:28:08 TheMasterMind1 :) 22:28:36 bindu Earlier, I think you said you "folks on this list" would submit. I'm fine doing it, but would like to know where, is #opie OK? 22:29:34 bindu Is it normal that when you do an update in oipkg that the updated packages don't showup untill you restart oipkg? 22:30:05 bindu Launcher rocks :) 22:33:13 ljp bindu: http://www.opie.info/bugs/ is the proper pplace to submit opie bugs 22:33:38 ljp that way, we wont forget it so easily 22:33:58 bindu ljp, K, thanks! 22:38:05 bindu ljp, which project would you like me to report under? 22:38:12 bindu All, Opie, Opie Bug Tracking... 22:41:20 bindu My best guess is OPIE so I'm going with that... 22:42:12 TheMasterMind1 bindu: well, just ask us about it and we'll tell you if its not already submitted 22:42:19 TheMasterMind1 give us a heads up 22:43:32 bindu Easy. 22:43:56 bindu TMM1, I just reported the Medium Mount UI issues: too much text and app does not resize 22:44:24 TheMasterMind1 k 22:45:30 bindu lfp, ARGH, search in mantis is broken I type "application" or "key" into search box and press enter... get nasty error, something about query failed... 22:45:53 bindu lfp = ljp ... sorry 22:46:49 hardwire BX timestamping needs to be togglable 22:47:08 hardwire I mean.. it should be able to be toggled on.. refresh the backbuffer with them on.. and then toggle off the same way 22:47:39 bindu TMM1, can I report the following with Application Key: 22:48:00 bindu 1) Icon in Settings tab says "Application Key" window title says "Set Application Keys" these should be synched 22:48:22 bindu 2) There should be an OK button on the top of the Set Application Keys screen so you can canel or OK changes to the keys? 22:48:53 TheMasterMind1 yes 22:49:41 bindu 3) It does not resize very well (Handwriting is OK, but Multikey cuts off the bottom of the last drop down) 22:51:50 ljp dont need input method for appskey 22:52:13 bindu ljp? 22:52:29 ljp appskey isnt supposed to resize 22:52:55 bindu 3 -- only happens with smallsmooth font 22:53:02 bindu ljp, why not? 22:53:13 bindu What if I try and use it with a rotated display? 22:53:41 bindu I think based on the UI guidlines (yes I realize they are guidlines :) all apps are supposed to handle screen changes well. 22:54:59 bindu ljp, why is that wrong? 22:56:06 ljp blah 22:56:07 ljp :D 22:56:18 noda bindu: Because it's more work :) 22:56:20 noda beams. 22:56:21 ljp some apps dont landscape 22:56:56 bindu ljp, I thought that's what layout managers were for? a list of controls should be handled by a standard layout manager... shouldn't they? 22:57:10 scanline is back (gone 00:58:27) 22:57:41 Onyx4|Z my Z still has problems keeping time 22:57:47 Onyx4|Z its weird 22:58:31 bindu TMM1, can I report that the Section "toolbar" in oipkg is too wide even with smallsmooth 22:58:34 ljp you can only cram so many widgets in a small space 22:58:58 noda bindu: You can resize it though, by taking off useless things. 22:59:20 bindu noda? 22:59:46 noda bindu: Oh, sorry, misread - thought you meant too tall. Or something. I'm watching TV here :P 22:59:54 bindu noda, heh.. 23:00:46 noda The Simpsons is hilarious :) 23:01:01 noda loves v4l 23:01:07 bindu Damn, I'm missing the Rock School Simpsons... :( 23:01:29 TheMasterMind1 hey Onyx4 23:01:42 TheMasterMind1 how would i use mplayer to take in an audio file and output an mp3 file 23:01:51 TheMasterMind1 mencoder rather 23:01:55 bindu Onyx4 just logged off 23:02:02 bindu TMM1, can I report ... see above 23:02:50 TheMasterMind1 bindu: yes, those are all new 23:03:01 bindu K, thnx 23:03:49 ljp no they arent all new ;) 23:04:01 TheMasterMind1 they are to me 23:04:06 bindu I can't search your bug site to find out if they are new :( 23:04:10 TheMasterMind1 and if they're not new, go bitch at opie devels to fix em 23:04:18 TheMasterMind1 em lazy bums 23:04:26 bindu Heh 23:04:48 ljp some things I'm not going to 'fix' 23:10:34 TheMasterMind1 *cough* lazy *cough* 23:10:48 ljp smacks themaster 23:12:40 bindu "fight, fight, fight, fight..." 23:12:48 bindu :giggles 23:12:55 bindu dman, how do you get mIRC to emote? 23:16:19 noda /me <emote> 23:16:32 noda Same with any IRC client. xChat is better :) 23:16:48 noda beams in a pro-os kind of way. 23:19:03 bindu wonders what a pro-os kind of way is... 23:19:08 bindu noda, thnx 23:20:14 noda pro-open source 23:31:31 bindu ljp & tmm1, what do you think about reporting the fact that Conf File Editor shows up as a "small" dialog rather than full screen like the rest of the setting apps? 23:32:21 TheMasterMind1 i dunno 23:32:24 TheMasterMind1 i think its supposed to 23:32:26 TheMasterMind1 but i have no clue 23:33:15 bindu ljp? 23:33:41 bindu tmm1, can I report that Set System Time hangs the machine? :) 23:35:01 TheMasterMind1 that's been reported 23:35:19 TheMasterMind1 its more of an oz problem 23:35:21 TheMasterMind1 we're working on it 23:35:41 ljp hmmm conf edit is maximixed on x86 23:36:15 ljp on oz also 23:36:16 bindu doesn't really hang the machine, just dies and you have to go kill it... 23:36:48 bindu ljp... conf edit is maximed on oz for you? 23:37:03 ljp until a fix is found do /etc/init.d/atd stop change time and then /etc/init.d/atd start 23:37:14 ljp yes 23:37:32 bindu is atd the scheduling daemon? 23:37:37 ljp yesterdays oz 23:37:43 TheMasterMind1 yep 23:39:50 bindu ljp, two questions about user manager 23:40:02 bindu 1) it doesn't resize properly eaither... is it worth reporting? 23:40:19 bindu 2) Is there a recommended group for a new user? If so can that be selected by default? 23:40:28 bindu OK, so it was 3 questions... 23:40:47 ljp hmm users are a new thing to opie.. ;) 23:41:00 bindu heh 23:41:09 ljp ummm how about.. group.. user ?! :) 23:41:10 bindu the Primary group dropdown is not sorted... what a pain 23:41:14 bindu users... 23:41:21 bindu yeah, that should be the default shouldn't it? 23:41:40 bindu Can I post, list should be sorted and users should be the default value? 23:43:24 bindu How do I force opie to go through the login process? Do I have to reboot? 23:43:33 TheMasterMind1 yes i think so 23:43:40 TheMasterMind1 next oz will have groups and users sorted out 23:43:48 Onyx4 TheMasterMind1: im heading out, but on my Z with new system time, I can't set the time, it looks like it doesn't talk to atd correctly, when I return from suspend my time is back to 2001 23:43:59 TheMasterMind1 Onyx4: hmm, ok 23:44:06 TheMasterMind1 maybe that's why we're using netsystime 23:44:11 Onyx4 it creates a weird file in /var/spool/at like 20020920902.233 23:44:25 Onyx4 nah netsystemtime is probably the same deal :) 23:44:39 Onyx4 I'd have to examine the source code see what it's trying to do 23:44:46 Onyx4 maybe they just try to call hwclock or something 23:45:01 Onyx4 but the rest seems to be pretty good so far 23:45:17 TheMasterMind1 k 23:45:21 ljp just terminate opie and you can login again 23:45:23 Onyx4 if I have cardmon running for some reason, doing to change launcher settings (like adding an applet) it crashes opie 23:45:42 bindu k 23:46:34 TheMasterMind1 hmm 23:46:35 TheMasterMind1 works for me 23:46:36 TheMasterMind1 pos 23:48:38 bindu tmm, restarting opie does not bring up the login screen 23:48:45 bindu if I terminate, how do I start it again? 23:49:52 bindu ahh. terminate doesn't go to a shell anymore :) 23:49:54 ljp what initrd.bin? 23:50:10 Onyx4 bindu: we filed a bug to give opie-login access to console 23:50:19 bindu kewl, thnx 23:50:36 ljp login as a user doesnt work here, only root 23:50:36 bindu after terminate, opie-login does not show title text 23:51:33 bindu should I report that? 23:52:54 ljp shows it here 23:52:58 bindu Hmm. after reboot it's doing the same now... 23:53:17 bindu I wonder if it's related to using smallsmooth? 23:53:48 bindu yup 23:54:13 bindu "Welcome to OPIE _OpenZaurus_" does not show up when smallsmooth is selected as the default font. 23:54:30 bindu Is that an OZ issue? 23:55:02 ljp no 23:55:14 bindu ljp, should I report to you bug tracking base? 23:55:48 ljp heheheh yes.. 23:55:57 ljp thats an interesting one 23:56:06 bindu Heh. 23:56:41 ljp I odn thtink smallsmooth should be default font 23:56:49 ljp too big 23:57:57 bindu Isn't smallsmooth 9pt smaller than Helvetica 10pt which is the default? 23:58:20 ljp oh.. hmm probably 23:58:33 ljp I use helvetica 8 23:59:39 bindu I just tried that... things look "better" i.e. they don't look messy, but the font is hard to read :) Generated by irclog2html.pl by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net! 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`00:00:06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`mounting over nfs takes forever`
`00:00:08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its annoying`
`00:00:14`	`scanline`	`TheMasterMind1: -o nolock`
`00:00:21`	`Onyx4`	`the reason it does is because we need portmapper`
`00:00:26`	`Onyx4`	`it tries to query portmapper on the client`
`00:00:31`	`Onyx4`	`it times out and still mounts it`
`00:00:38`	`scanline`	`just turn off locking, we don't need portmapper`
`00:00:50`	`Onyx4`	`so I'll do portmapper :)`
`00:01:09`	`Onyx4`	`oh didn't know about that one`
`00:01:18`	`Onyx4`	`it's only for nlockmgr that it needs portmapper?`
`00:01:19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`scanline: oh then it will be fast?`
`00:01:22`	`scanline`	`yes`
`00:01:26`	`VerxHome`	`ok`
`00:01:28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sweet`
`00:01:29`	`VerxHome`	`other than fast load`
`00:01:33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`scanline++`
`00:01:33`	`VerxHome`	`everything seems to be working so far`
`00:01:34`	`scanline`	`mount navi:/home/menchi -o nolock -t nfs /mnt/nfs`
`00:01:38`	`scanline`	`hehe`
`00:01:39`	`VerxHome`	`but if I cannot get fast load to work`
`00:01:43`	`VerxHome`	`I will have to abandon this`
`00:01:48`	`VerxHome`	`I cannot live without fast load`
`00:01:50`	`scanline`	`I use NFS on my zaurus all the time to run Intimate for gdb and stuff`
`00:01:54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`VerxHome: go to #opie and bitch`
`00:02:05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`waits for this mount to finish`
`00:02:27`		`OK, scanline.`
`00:02:27`	`scanline`	`ibot: fast nfs is Use "-o nolock", for example: mount navi:/home/menchi -o nolock -t nfs /mnt/nfs`
`00:02:42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`scanline: is there a way to make that default somehow for all nfs mounts`
`00:02:56`	`scanline`	`TheMasterMind1: dunno, you could always add it to your /etc/fstab though`
`00:03:24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea, but if you do it via commandline`
`00:03:25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`00:03:31`	`VerxHome`	`oh`
`00:03:31`	`Onyx4`	`http://131.152.105.154/mantis/view_bug_page.php?f_id=0000230`
`00:03:32`	`VerxHome`	`onyz`
`00:03:38`	`scanline`	`it's just an option for that "options" field in /etc/fstab`
`00:03:40`	`VerxHome`	`am I to delete my /etc/fstab and then reboot?`
`00:03:45`	`VerxHome`	`I haven't done that yet`
`00:03:47`	`Onyx4`	`VerxHome: no no`
`00:03:48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`VerxHome: why the fuck would yo udo that?`
`00:03:50`	`Onyx4`	`VerxHome: just edit it`