| 00:00:14 | ljp | move closer ;) |
| 00:00:28 | bindu | heh |
| 00:00:39 | bindu | So does the backlight use less power if you setup with a dark background? |
| 00:01:02 | bindu | Seems like it would be the backlight LEDs that draw all the power and they wouldn't change with background color would they? |
| 00:01:20 | ljp | its not a backlight, its a frontlight |
| 00:01:37 | Fatbum | true |
| 00:02:31 | bindu | heh |
| 00:02:54 | bindu | Are they not called backlight LEDs even when they are in front of the screen? |
| 00:03:00 | bindu | Isn't it really a side light? |
| 00:03:13 | Fatbum | its not an led |
| 00:03:17 | Fatbum | or leds |
| 00:03:27 | Fatbum | its a deally |
| 00:04:41 | ljp | sharp calls it a frontlight |
| 00:04:45 | bindu | Looks like opie-irapplet is nolonger part of root-fs... Can we get rid of the IR stuff altogether? :) |
| 00:04:47 | bindu | Kewl |
| 00:05:01 | ljp | ir? no |
| 00:05:33 | bindu | ljp, I was kidding :) |
| 00:05:47 | bindu | Are we planning on leaving opie-irapplet out of root-fs? |
| 00:05:57 | bindu | or did it get missed by accident? |
| 00:06:31 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 00:06:33 | Fatbum | blech! |
| 00:09:55 | | qpe is, like, now qtopia, but opie is a binary compatable, and more well developed fork of the qtopia codebase |
| 00:09:55 | Fatbum | ibot qpe |
| 00:10:20 | ljp | more well developed?? |
| 00:10:27 | ljp | thats bad grammer |
| 00:14:06 | Fatbum | yep, not good |
| 00:14:42 | | qtopia is the new name for QPE and it is at qpe.sourceforge.net or a more well developed and binary compatable fork of qtopia is opie |
| 00:14:42 | ljp | ibot: qtopia |
| 00:14:55 | ljp | hmmm |
| 00:15:31 | hardwire | bah.. esd started using libwrap |
| 00:17:24 | bindu | Are we planning on leaving opie-irapplet out of root-fs? |
| 00:19:39 | TheMasterMind1 | qpe is like now qtopia but like opie is like binary compatible and like better and like more well developed than like qtopia and stuff |
| 00:19:48 | TheMasterMind1 | bindu: i don't think that was intentional |
| 00:20:04 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll add it |
| 00:20:12 | bindu | k, thnx |
| 00:20:38 | bindu | This is looking really good!!! |
| 00:20:46 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 00:20:48 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 00:20:49 | TheMasterMind1 | its great |
| 00:20:49 | bindu | Like more better than 2.9.5.5 |
| 00:21:18 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:21:21 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:21:25 | TheMasterMind1 | helvetica 8 is nice |
| 00:21:31 | bindu | tup |
| 00:21:39 | bindu | tup=yup |
| 00:21:41 | TheMasterMind1 | wait |
| 00:21:47 | TheMasterMind1 | no, that's smallsmooth still i think |
| 00:21:56 | TheMasterMind1 | smallsmooth is antialiased so its 10x better |
| 00:22:10 | bindu | There are three packages for ncurses... is that intentional? |
| 00:22:20 | TheMasterMind1 | that's weird, i changed from smallsmooth to helvetica 8 but it didn't change my icon texts |
| 00:22:22 | TheMasterMind1 | bindu: yes, |
| 00:22:26 | TheMasterMind1 | one is base |
| 00:22:30 | TheMasterMind1 | one is the basic terminfo files |
| 00:22:35 | TheMasterMind1 | the third is extra terminfo |
| 00:22:49 | bindu | kewl |
| 00:22:51 | TheMasterMind1 | the two terminfo ipksmake up about 5 megs ofspace that was previously installed on OZ by default |
| 00:23:25 | bindu | ncurses-base looks like it's in root-fs, ncurses does not look like it's in root-fs, is that bad? |
| 00:23:37 | bindu | should ncurses-term be called ncurses-extra-term ? |
| 00:23:54 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe |
| 00:24:11 | TheMasterMind1 | notes it |
| 00:24:25 | TheMasterMind1 | i like this whole write down bugs and issues thing |
| 00:24:33 | bindu | heh |
| 00:24:33 | TheMasterMind1 | its working much betterthan trying to remember em all |
| 00:24:42 | TheMasterMind1 | i have a paper filled with random notes on both sides |
| 00:24:48 | TheMasterMind1 | mostly bugs, but issues and todos also |
| 00:25:57 | bindu | should opie-keyboard be in root-fs? |
| 00:26:14 | bindu | Handwriting, JumpX and MultiKey are in, Keyboard is out, that seems wrong.. |
| 00:27:15 | Xentac | what's the status of the new OZ now? |
| 00:27:49 | Xentac | released I assume... |
| 00:27:53 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 00:28:03 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a "testing" initrd.bin out |
| 00:28:06 | Xentac | ah |
| 00:28:09 | TheMasterMind1 | its much stabler than all previous releases |
| 00:28:17 | Xentac | cool |
| 00:28:20 | TheMasterMind1 | its technically "unstable and unofficial" |
| 00:28:35 | Xentac | though I haven't had it crash on me much... just when I've (or an upgrade) has |
| 00:28:47 | TheMasterMind1 | yea but this is fully optmized opie and qte |
| 00:28:50 | TheMasterMind1 | very nice stuff |
| 00:28:56 | Xentac | cool |
| 00:28:57 | TheMasterMind1 | lots of issues have been fixed |
| 00:28:59 | Xentac | so much faster then |
| 00:29:09 | TheMasterMind1 | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ |
| 00:29:10 | Xentac | I guess it still uses the same amount of memory though... |
| 00:29:14 | TheMasterMind1 | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ if you want to update |
| 00:29:24 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4|away: you need ot push your new ipks into the sf feed |
| 00:29:42 | TheMasterMind1 | someone gimme the wget command to get all files via apache directory listing |
| 00:29:51 | Xentac | I fear that updating will break it more than I'm prepared to... |
| 00:29:58 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 00:30:03 | TheMasterMind1 | we've tested upgrading extensively |
| 00:30:13 | TheMasterMind1 | and fixed stuff so it upgrades smoothly |
| 00:30:13 | ljp | man wget |
| 00:30:17 | TheMasterMind1 | so you shouldn'thave a problem |
| 00:30:20 | Xentac | you could use a 'wget -r -np' (that's recursive and no parent) |
| 00:30:30 | Xentac | I mean doing an update, as opposed to reflashing |
| 00:30:52 | bindu | piece of shit, removing jumpx logged me out :( the rest of my installs/uninstalls did not complete :( |
| 00:32:05 | bindu | TMM1, is MultiKey an enhanced version of opie-keyboard? |
| 00:32:28 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 00:32:44 | TheMasterMind1 | Xentac: as do i |
| 00:32:54 | Xentac | TheMasterMind1: really? |
| 00:33:00 | TheMasterMind1 | updating from the feed should work fine |
| 00:33:17 | bindu | TMM1, Should the "ncurses" package be in root-fs? |
| 00:33:41 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:33:41 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 00:33:49 | TheMasterMind1 | that's essential |
| 00:33:49 | bindu | it does not appear to be |
| 00:34:05 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:34:09 | TheMasterMind1 | or not.. |
| 00:34:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 00:34:58 | TheMasterMind1 | libncurses5 is in rootfs |
| 00:35:05 | TheMasterMind1 | the other stuff is optional iguess |
| 00:35:11 | bindu | ??? |
| 00:35:29 | Xentac | TheMasterMind1: any idea how much longer before an official release? |
| 00:35:38 | bindu | "ncurses-base" is in "ncurses" is not... quoted names are package names |
| 00:37:45 | bindu | TMM1, does that answer your question? |
| 00:38:59 | TheMasterMind1 | Xentac: kergoth's working on some stuff |
| 00:39:04 | TheMasterMind1 | i have no idea how long he'll take |
| 00:39:31 | Xentac | nods... like what? |
| 00:39:37 | | kergoth`errands was last seen on #openzaurus 4 hours, 11 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: bbl [Sun Sep 29 21:28:30 2002] |
| 00:39:37 | Xentac | ibot: seen kergoth`errands |
| 00:40:54 | bindu | TMM1, are you wroking on an answer to my ncurses question? |
| 00:45:03 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 00:45:11 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm busy doing a pyshics problem set :) |
| 00:45:25 | TheMasterMind1 | its done that way for a reason though |
| 00:45:25 | bindu | heh, sorry... just wanted to make sure it didn't get lost. |
| 00:45:38 | TheMasterMind1 | you can look at the list of files in each pkg and figure it out |
| 00:45:56 | bindu | k |
| 00:46:05 | bindu | are they just tar files? |
| 00:46:20 | bindu | the ipks ? |
| 00:51:25 | bindu | looks like there is a newer version of opie-base on the unsupported feed, is it worth getting? |
| 00:51:46 | bindu | sorry .. oz-base |
| 00:53:37 | kergoth`errands | whats there to figure out? libncurses5 is the ncurses library, ncurses-base is the base terminal information files, and ncurses-term is the rest of the terminal information files. |
| 00:54:28 | bindu | there is a package called "ncurses", what is it and should it be in root-fs? |
| 00:54:37 | kergoth`errands | no, there is not. |
| 00:54:47 | kergoth`errands | and no it should not be. |
| 00:55:51 | bindu | Package: ncurses |
| 00:55:51 | bindu | Version: 5.2.20020112a-2 |
| 00:55:51 | bindu | Depends: libc6 ncurses-base libncurses5 ncurses-term |
| 00:55:51 | bindu | Priority: required |
| 00:55:51 | bindu | Section: base |
| 00:55:52 | bindu | Maintainer: Unknown - OZ build |
| 00:55:54 | bindu | Architecture: arm |
| 00:55:56 | bindu | Filename: ncurses_5.2.20020112a-2_arm.ipk |
| 00:55:58 | bindu | Size: 602 |
| 00:56:00 | bindu | MD5Sum: 9ca2677d5a83d6307a7326559665d393 |
| 00:56:02 | bindu | Description: Built by OZ buildsystem v2.0 |
| 00:56:04 | bindu | That's from: http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/Packages |
| 00:56:36 | kergoth`errands | its empty. |
| 00:56:39 | kergoth`errands | look again. |
| 00:56:41 | kergoth`errands | 602 bytes. |
| 00:56:50 | kergoth`errands | that ipk should never have been created, and its useless. |
| 00:57:21 | bindu | Great, that's what I wanted to know. |
| 00:57:27 | kergoth`errands | libnurses5 and ncurses-base replace ncurses. ncurses used to be the ncurses package name. it was converted to reduce space. |
| 00:57:31 | kergoth`errands | the old ncurses package took up 5 megs. |
| 00:57:36 | kergoth`errands | the new one saves 4 |
| 00:57:42 | bindu | awsome! |
| 00:57:50 | kergoth`errands | by moving 4 megs of unneeded terminfo database entries into another seperate ipk |
| 00:58:01 | kergoth`errands | bindu: theres a script in oz bk/cvs to list files in an ipk. use it. |
| 00:58:36 | bindu | OK |
| 00:59:23 | bindu | Looks like the same issue with the "ssh" package. |
| 00:59:42 | noda | kergoth`errands: Hallo! :) |
| 00:59:51 | noda | I'm getting a new error here :) |
| 00:59:53 | kergoth`errands | bindu: ssh is a virtual package |
| 00:59:57 | noda | In libvncserver-0.3 |
| 00:59:58 | kergoth`errands | bindu: ncurses is a useless package |
| 01:00:02 | noda | tight.c:36: jpeglib.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:00:15 | kergoth`errands | noda: you didnt build libjpeg62 |
| 01:00:22 | noda | Erm... where do I build that? |
| 01:00:25 | kergoth`errands | ? |
| 01:00:27 | kergoth`errands | make config |
| 01:00:29 | kergoth`errands | enable it |
| 01:00:34 | noda | Oh, weird. Thought it was enabled. |
| 01:00:36 | kergoth`errands | what do you mean wher? |
| 01:00:36 | noda | Thanks. |
| 01:00:41 | noda | That's what I meant :) |
| 01:00:52 | kergoth`errands | hld |
| 01:00:54 | kergoth`errands | hold |
| 01:01:00 | kergoth`errands | theres a dependency problem in the buildroot thats causing that |
| 01:01:07 | noda | Ah, that shouldn't happen? |
| 01:01:10 | kergoth`errands | it isnt autobuilding libjpeg prior to libvncserver. |
| 01:01:11 | bindu | kergoth, please excuse me for being dense, but... I don't get show ncurses is useless and ssh is virtual... |
| 01:01:17 | kergoth`errands | bindu: huh? |
| 01:01:27 | kergoth`errands | bindu: ssh = empty package that depends on nothing, and is therefore useless |
| 01:01:31 | kergoth`errands | bindu: er |
| 01:01:36 | kergoth`errands | bindu: s/ssh/ncurses/ |
| 01:01:45 | noda | ssh depends on the common, server and client, right? |
| 01:01:53 | kergoth`errands | bindu: ssh = empty package that depends on each ssh component package, and is therefore a so called 'virtual' package. |
| 01:01:56 | kergoth`errands | bindu: yes. |
| 01:02:10 | bindu | Kergoth, ncurses contains -> Depends: libc6 ncurses-base libncurses5 ncurses-term |
| 01:02:17 | kergoth`errands | bindu: then its flawed. |
| 01:02:18 | bindu | doesn't that make it a virtual package? |
| 01:02:22 | kergoth`errands | bindu: ncurses should be *gone* |
| 01:02:26 | kergoth`errands | bindu: somebody fucked up |
| 01:02:27 | bindu | OK :) |
| 01:02:30 | bindu | OK |
| 01:02:50 | bindu | the ssh package does not show up as being installed... from a raw flash... I think that is also a bug? |
| 01:02:55 | kergoth`errands | no. |
| 01:03:00 | bindu | OK |
| 01:03:15 | kergoth`errands | how does installing an empty package help you? |
| 01:03:19 | kergoth`errands | thats right, it doesnt. |
| 01:03:32 | noda | kergoth`errands: libjpeg6b is enabled and I still get this error. |
| 01:03:33 | kergoth`errands | the whole point of a virtual package is to make installation of each component package easier via ipkg |
| 01:03:39 | kergoth`errands | noda: i *know* |
| 01:03:41 | kergoth`errands | noda: let me say again |
| 01:03:50 | kergoth`errands | noda: [21:00] < kergoth`errands> it isnt autobuilding libjpeg prior to libvncserver. |
| 01:03:50 | noda | Oh, okay, I see. |
| 01:03:56 | noda | I missed that :) |
| 01:03:57 | kergoth`errands | its building shit in the *wrong* order |
| 01:03:59 | kergoth`errands | heh |
| 01:04:03 | noda | So I just go in and build jpeg6b then go back :) |
| 01:04:05 | bindu | kergoth, I assume you create virtual packages to cause other packages to install. If all the other packages are installed, doesn't it make sense that the virtual package is also installed?... I don't mind, just trying to understand :0 |
| 01:04:14 | kergoth`errands | bindu: no. |
| 01:04:18 | kergoth`errands | bindu: thats flawed logic |
| 01:04:19 | bindu | OK |
| 01:04:24 | kergoth`errands | bindu: they're two different directions. |
| 01:04:47 | bindu | Should virtual packages have the word "virtual" or something in their name? |
| 01:04:50 | noda | It's like comparing a square to a rectangle. A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square. |
| 01:04:55 | kergoth`errands | bindu: if i say that lawyers have cats, that doesnt imply that all cat owners are lawyers. |
| 01:05:03 | kergoth`errands | bindu: same flawed logic. |
| 01:05:07 | kergoth`errands | bindu: oh, no |
| 01:05:19 | kergoth`errands | bindu: virtual is a phrase of description of the package. a naming convention. |
| 01:05:33 | kergoth`errands | just as i call autoconf shit |
| 01:05:37 | kergoth`errands | that doesnt imply it shoudl be named autoconf-shit |
| 01:05:39 | kergoth`errands | :) |
| 01:05:39 | noda | watches again as the build seems to run smoothly for a bit. |
| 01:05:48 | noda | rofl |
| 01:05:50 | bindu | kergoth, did you have a bad day? |
| 01:05:58 | bindu | :) |
| 01:06:16 | kergoth`errands | nope, not really |
| 01:06:18 | Xentac | bindu: nah... he works in tech support |
| 01:06:19 | kergoth`errands | fairly good actually |
| 01:06:22 | kergoth`errands | accomplished a great deal |
| 01:07:05 | noda | kergoth`errands: Oh, another thing about the build I noticed earlier: trolltech.com's FTP servers only seem to allow PASSIVE downloads from me, should --passive-ftp make it into the wget line at some point? :) |
| 01:07:09 | Xentac | it feels like it shouldbe saturday... |
| 01:07:18 | noda | Xentac: It ALWAYS should be Saturday :) |
| 01:07:55 | kergoth`errands | noda: i connect to them fine. passive is necessary only for those without the ability to make active connections, say those behind a firewall.. but you've got a point. I'll add it. |
| 01:07:58 | bindu | there is a newer oz-base package in the unsupported feed, is it worth installing? |
| 01:08:10 | Xentac | I really really don't feel like going to work tomorrow... probably because I still feel sick... |
| 01:08:18 | kergoth`errands | bindu: ? up to you. |
| 01:08:23 | kergoth`errands | bindu: if you want to know what changed, read the logs |
| 01:08:29 | bindu | will do, thnx |
| 01:08:32 | kergoth`errands | http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/ |
| 01:08:36 | kergoth`errands | tis all out there |
| 01:09:06 | Fatbum | <KGBudz> anyone know of a way to get both microphone and headphone/speakers into audio jack on the z? |
| 01:09:10 | Fatbum | "" |
| 01:09:17 | kergoth`errands | Fatbum: um, get a headset with a mic. plug it in. |
| 01:09:20 | kergoth`errands | Fatbum: whee |
| 01:09:40 | kergoth`errands | Fatbum: see ljp's response on #zaurus. |
| 01:09:41 | Fatbum | thought so |
| 01:09:46 | Fatbum | i see |
| 01:14:36 | kergoth`dead | PicoBot: emulate kergoth |
| 01:14:36 | PicoBot | mutters about buildsystems and tells random people to rtfm. |
| 01:14:51 | ljp | hmm |
| 01:14:56 | scanline | Is this like Dead Piro Day on megatokyo? |
| 01:15:09 | ljp | picobot emulate ljp |
| 01:15:09 | PicoBot | ljp: sorry... |
| 01:15:17 | ljp | farthead |
| 01:15:32 | scanline | PicoBot: emulate ljp is <action> farts |
| 01:15:32 | PicoBot | OK, scanline. |
| 01:15:37 | kergoth`dead | hah |
| 01:15:39 | scanline | PicoBot: emulate ljp |
| 01:15:40 | PicoBot | farts |
| 01:15:48 | ljp | ha ha ha |
| 01:16:00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`dead: sup |
| 01:16:13 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: hey, the opie ipks need to Provide qpe-base |
| 01:16:15 | TheMasterMind1 | so ipkgdoesn't bitch |
| 01:16:22 | kergoth`dead | um |
| 01:16:27 | kergoth`dead | TheMasterMind1: opie-base does provide qpe-base. |
| 01:16:27 | Xentac | yeah... that'd be a plan... |
| 01:16:29 | kergoth`dead | TheMasterMind1: fyi. |
| 01:16:35 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, then ipkg is just shit |
| 01:16:36 | TheMasterMind1 | *ahem* |
| 01:16:37 | kergoth`dead | TheMasterMind1: no. |
| 01:16:40 | kergoth`dead | TheMasterMind1: bad packaging. |
| 01:16:46 | kergoth`dead | TheMasterMind1: some packages dont just Depend: qpe-base |
| 01:16:54 | scanline | PicoBot: emulate scanline is also cooks some ramen noodles |
| 01:16:55 | kergoth`dead | TheMasterMind1: some Depend: qpe-base (1.5.0) |
| 01:16:55 | PicoBot | okay, scanline. |
| 01:16:58 | scanline | PicoBot: emulate scanline |
| 01:16:58 | PicoBot | drinks pepsi and writes weird code or grows a beard or cooks some ramen noodles |
| 01:16:59 | kergoth`dead | TheMasterMind1: which is fucking stupid. |
| 01:17:04 | kergoth`dead | TheMasterMind1: so complain to the package maintainers. |
| 01:17:27 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 01:18:48 | Xentac | on a positive note... I beat DOTT today |
| 01:19:15 | scanline | Xentac: cool. I still need to get around to playing that |
| 01:19:44 | kergoth`dead | today i bought trick daddy's new cd, Audiovents cd, and a cd from Maxim magazine called Maxim Rocks |
| 01:19:46 | kergoth`dead | heh |
| 01:20:01 | scanline | haha.. Maxim Rocks? |
| 01:20:04 | Xentac | maybe next (after I install the new OZ) I'll try to beat Sam n Max |
| 01:20:05 | scanline | sounds cheesy |
| 01:20:32 | noda | DOTT on the Z? |
| 01:20:55 | ljp | notes a grilled cheese on the stove |
| 01:20:56 | Xentac | noda: correct... running in scummvm |
| 01:21:02 | noda | Xentac: Cool! |
| 01:21:06 | kergoth`dead | scanline: very good music though |
| 01:21:07 | TheMasterMind1 | h,mmm |
| 01:21:18 | noda | Dunno what this channel's policy on abandonware is, but is there any chance of your sharing it? :) |
| 01:21:20 | Xentac | and I'm living proof that you can play DOTT all the way through ;o) |
| 01:21:25 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 01:21:33 | kergoth`dead | queens of the stone age, trustcompany, saliva, bon jovi, jerry cantrel, american hi fi, hoobastank, injected, default |
| 01:21:35 | Xentac | if the channel doesn't mind, I can |
| 01:21:35 | kergoth`dead | etc |
| 01:21:48 | Xentac | but if they do... it'd take you half an hour to find it on the inter web |
| 01:21:56 | Xentac | (that's what I did) |
| 01:21:59 | noda | hates browsing the 'web :P |
| 01:22:13 | Xentac | sometimes it has to be done though... |
| 01:24:09 | TheMasterMind1 | share! |
| 01:24:27 | Xentac | heheh |
| 01:24:31 | Xentac | if only I had the bandwidth... |
| 01:24:36 | Xentac | ok... hold on.. |
| 01:24:42 | TheMasterMind1 | give us google search query and result number |
| 01:24:44 | noda | You could give the url of the place you downloaded from :) |
| 01:24:57 | Xentac | :P |
| 01:25:06 | Xentac | I searched for "day of the tentacle download" |
| 01:25:10 | Xentac | and went from there |
| 01:25:20 | Xentac | it's a 9 meg zip file |
| 01:25:25 | Xentac | that's about all I can tell you... |
| 01:25:35 | Xentac | oh wait... |
| 01:25:39 | Xentac | http://gamesite.at/Abandoned-Avenue |
| 01:25:43 | Xentac | http://users.otenet.gr/~charral |
| 01:25:48 | Xentac | one of those two |
| 01:26:02 | noda | Neither is resolving DNS for me :( |
| 01:26:21 | Xentac | they're given in a readme file that came with it... |
| 01:26:38 | noda | Oh! Second one just popped up |
| 01:27:03 | Xentac | I got the second one... |
| 01:27:09 | noda | Second one is a broken link |
| 01:27:18 | Xentac | really? |
| 01:27:20 | Xentac | I got it... |
| 01:27:31 | noda | http://users.auth.gr/~bobarap/dott.zip |
| 01:27:46 | noda | It gives a visually appealing error page. In a weird language. |
| 01:28:00 | Xentac | ah |
| 01:28:08 | Xentac | seems he's been caught ;o) |
| 01:28:43 | TheMasterMind1 | "visually appealing" ? |
| 01:28:46 | TheMasterMind1 | is it porn or something? |
| 01:29:01 | Xentac | nah... just layed out well...? |
| 01:29:23 | scanline | it's greek |
| 01:29:36 | Xentac | scanline: do you speak greek...? |
| 01:29:44 | scanline | no, but I can recognize greek |
| 01:29:47 | Xentac | ah |
| 01:29:56 | scanline | it's not that hard.. they use greek letters |
| 01:29:56 | Xentac | how did you learn that's what greek looked like? |
| 01:29:59 | Xentac | :P |
| 01:30:09 | ljp | its all greek to me |
| 01:30:10 | scanline | well, you use greek letters in math.... |
| 01:30:17 | scanline | and the .gr domain is kind of a giveaway |
| 01:30:38 | Xentac | bah |
| 01:30:57 | Xentac | basing an idea on the obvious |
| 01:31:00 | Xentac | quit it |
| 01:32:05 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:32:08 | TheMasterMind1 | looks like a really fun game |
| 01:32:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i want it on my Z |
| 01:32:18 | Xentac | :) |
| 01:32:20 | Xentac | it is fun |
| 01:32:25 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm too lazy to reencode a movie and stick it on there |
| 01:32:26 | Xentac | but once you've beaten it... it's not as fun |
| 01:32:34 | TheMasterMind1 | Xentac: dcc it to me :) |
| 01:33:12 | Xentac | only because I'm a nice guy |
| 01:33:16 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 01:33:27 | Xentac | isn't sure how fast it'll be... his upstream is really quite bad... for multiple reasons |
| 01:34:30 | noda | thanks Xentac muchly... ~6KB/sec |
| 01:35:02 | TheMasterMind1 | likes his 40K/sec ups |
| 01:35:08 | scanline | wants a copy too =) |
| 01:35:16 | TheMasterMind1 | send to me and i'l send toothers |
| 01:35:33 | scanline | I probably have more upstream than everybody else here put together :) |
| 01:35:36 | Xentac | yeah... one reason is that the cable between my server and my desktop is busted (I think) and the other is that it's adsl... and slow adsl at that |
| 01:35:50 | Xentac | scanline: I'll scp it to my home directory... |
| 01:36:01 | Xentac | scanline: on navi that is |
| 01:36:06 | scanline | ah, ok |
| 01:36:14 | TheMasterMind1 | let scanline send it to us then |
| 01:36:16 | noda | Xentac: Want me to cancel in that case? |
| 01:36:21 | TheMasterMind1 | have any other games too :) ? |
| 01:36:26 | Xentac | not yet |
| 01:36:33 | noda | i've got Sam and Max somewhere I think. |
| 01:36:40 | Fatbum | yo in adhoc you need to be on diff chans? |
| 01:36:46 | scanline | wonders if anyone has Monkey Island... |
| 01:36:51 | Xentac | is looking for most of the other scummvm games... he has many sarien ones though... though scanline already has those ones |
| 01:37:06 | scanline | I have Monkey Island on floppy disks, but ScummVM only works with the CD-ROM version |
| 01:37:15 | Xentac | scanline: really? that sucks... |
| 01:37:18 | noda | I've got the CD-ROM version |
| 01:37:21 | noda | I'll find the CD |
| 01:37:24 | scanline | yay! |
| 01:37:28 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 01:37:31 | scanline | that was such a cool game |
| 01:38:10 | noda | Now where on earth could I have put it... |
| 01:38:34 | Xentac | scanline: scp is going extremely slowly to your machine... strange... |
| 01:38:36 | Xentac | scanline: I'll dcc it to you instead |
| 01:38:44 | noda | Hrm... |
| 01:38:46 | scanline | hmm |
| 01:38:46 | scanline | ok |
| 01:38:56 | noda | Maybe my brother knows. *goes away for a minute* |
| 01:38:57 | Fatbum | kergoth`dead you dead? |
| 01:39:00 | scanline | yeek... that is slow |
| 01:39:00 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 7 hours, 35 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: ibot ipkgfind [Sun Sep 29 19:03:57 2002] |
| 01:39:00 | Fatbum | ibot seen kergoth |
| 01:39:44 | Xentac | cancels the other uploads... to see if scanline's will go faster |
| 01:40:08 | scanline | a little... |
| 01:40:11 | noda | Got it! |
| 01:40:12 | scanline | still dang slow |
| 01:40:20 | Xentac | yeah well... relatively speaking :P |
| 01:40:22 | scanline | noda: yay |
| 01:40:23 | | wifi is, like, see wireless or get either a wcf12 linksys for $62 shipped from buy.com (nice small card, well supported, but not too great on battery) or the socket low power wlan for 160 something plus shipping also on buy.com (great battery usage, needs special drivers) or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml |
| 01:40:23 | Fatbum | ibot wifi |
| 01:40:33 | Xentac | thinks he knows a way that will be even faster... |
| 01:40:42 | noda | The CD has 1 and 2, that's what everyone wants, right? |
| 01:40:44 | Xentac | scanline: wanna try it that way? |
| 01:40:49 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: yep |
| 01:40:51 | Xentac | yeah |
| 01:41:01 | scanline | noda: yay! |
| 01:41:21 | hardwire | ok |
| 01:41:22 | hardwire | pushed |
| 01:41:27 | hardwire | you now have esd if you want |
| 01:41:27 | noda | Okay, let me tar the two up. 13 meg uncompressed together (though I think the file format is already compressed) |
| 01:41:28 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:41:29 | Xentac | scanline: use that one instead... then it's coming directly from my server, instead of my desktop |
| 01:41:33 | hardwire | now time to do rsync |
| 01:42:01 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 01:42:03 | TheMasterMind1 | esound |
| 01:42:08 | noda | Around 10M - anyone with higher bandwidth wanna help out? :) |
| 01:42:16 | scanline | Xentac: much better |
| 01:42:20 | scanline | noda: sure |
| 01:42:20 | Xentac | noda: just send it to scanline ;o) |
| 01:42:25 | hardwire | kergoth`dead are you planning on automating nightly feed updates? |
| 01:42:30 | kergoth`dead | hardwire: yep |
| 01:42:33 | hardwire | ok |
| 01:42:39 | kergoth`dead | hardwire: nightly initrd.binn's and zImages as well |
| 01:42:46 | Xentac | noda: you say those are the monkey island games? |
| 01:42:47 | kergoth`dead | since it'll just run a rebuild at midnight or something |
| 01:42:49 | kergoth`dead | blah |
| 01:42:56 | noda | Cool, sending :) |
| 01:43:03 | scanline | noda: your DCC failed |
| 01:43:11 | scanline | :( |
| 01:43:15 | noda | Oh... |
| 01:43:19 | noda | Firewall? What port do I need? |
| 01:43:28 | noda | You can grab it off my web server... |
| 01:43:31 | scanline | I'm not firewalled (at least not on high ports) |
| 01:43:42 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:44:53 | Xentac | scanline: what's the ETA? |
| 01:45:09 | hardwire | thats short for Estimated Time of Atlantis |
| 01:45:30 | scanline | 10 minutes |
| 01:45:40 | scanline | I'm going to do some homework.. when they're done they will be here: |
| 01:45:42 | scanline | https://navi.picogui.org:3000/public.5179/oldgames/scumm/ |
| 01:46:00 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 01:46:01 | Xentac | cool |
| 01:46:03 | hardwire | its.. secure |
| 01:46:25 | Xentac | it'd be cool to be able to play Goblins in linux... |
| 01:46:27 | noda | Er, your certificate expired, scanline? |
| 01:46:33 | scanline | yeah I know |
| 01:46:38 | hardwire | hehe |
| 01:46:41 | hardwire | just change it |
| 01:47:13 | noda | Damn, my mozilla build can't seem to manage this, something in crypto is broken. |
| 01:47:29 | noda | ponders what browsers are available for him to use here and now. |
| 01:47:35 | TheMasterMind1 | links |
| 01:47:37 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 01:47:42 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: sleeping |
| 01:47:48 | TheMasterMind1 | i wanted those games.. |
| 01:47:48 | noda | installs links :P |
| 01:47:54 | scanline | ok, new certificate installed |
| 01:48:00 | hardwire | TheMasterMind1 can you test compiles on audiofile and esound? |
| 01:48:02 | TheMasterMind1 | someone message me the link to them please? |
| 01:48:08 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: i'm sleeping now |
| 01:48:14 | noda | scanline: Erm, is your server still up? |
| 01:48:17 | hardwire | typing in your sleep? |
| 01:48:18 | TheMasterMind1 | use ibot to msg methe link to those games |
| 01:48:19 | noda | scanline: Connection refused |
| 01:48:25 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep is goood |
| 01:48:29 | scanline | oops.. |
| 01:48:33 | hardwire | noda: heh.. chill puppy |
| 01:48:48 | scanline | ok, try now |
| 01:48:49 | hardwire | hands noda a beer |
| 01:48:50 | Xentac | TheMasterMind1: scanline can give it to you... |
| 01:48:58 | noda | scanline: Still expired :) |
| 01:49:02 | scanline | bah |
| 01:49:05 | scanline | whatever |
| 01:49:12 | scanline | https://navi.picogui.org:3000/public.5179/oldgames/scumm/ |
| 01:49:15 | noda | I'll get and use links :) |
| 01:49:19 | hardwire | nanoweb can run in secure mode |
| 01:49:24 | hardwire | using stunnel |
| 01:49:30 | hardwire | hows that for a funk in the pants |
| 01:49:57 | noda | Dammit, how on earth is one supposed to find a browser named "links" on a google search? :P |
| 01:50:13 | scanline | apt-get install links |
| 01:50:17 | Xentac | noda: hehehe |
| 01:50:22 | noda | No such luck. I'm a source person anyway :) |
| 01:50:33 | ljp | noda: try freshmeat |
| 01:50:39 | noda | Oh yeah, good idea |
| 01:50:50 | ljp | emerge net-www/links |
| 01:50:54 | noda | Could also have farted around in my Debian partition :) |
| 01:51:26 | hardwire | /usr/sbin/stunnel -p/etc/ssl/certs/nanoweb.pem -l/usr/local/bin/php -- -f /usr/sbin/nanoweb.php --config="/etc/nanoweb/nanoweb.conf" |
| 01:51:35 | Xentac | tries to navigate himself through an italian site... |
| 01:53:12 | Fatbum | in adhoc you need to be on diff chans to establish a connection? |
| 01:54:02 | Xentac | Fatbum: same channels |
| 01:55:50 | scanline | ok, monkey island finished |
| 01:55:56 | noda | Woo :) |
| 01:56:19 | Xentac | :) |
| 01:56:45 | scanline | How does scummvm handle the little copy protection wheel monkey island uses? |
| 01:56:55 | scanline | or maybe the CD version didn't use that.. |
| 01:57:15 | Xentac | I believe it plays the game exactly... |
| 01:57:23 | scanline | yep |
| 01:57:33 | scanline | I have no idea where my code doohickey went.. |
| 01:57:39 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 01:57:42 | noda | Hey, links is pretty sweet :) |
| 01:57:44 | Xentac | notes that DOTT has been cracked... |
| 01:58:01 | scanline | oh... I just typed in some random numbers and it went through the copy protection |
| 01:58:09 | scanline | maybe scummvm doesn't implement the test it uses :) |
| 01:58:10 | Xentac | there you go |
| 01:58:19 | Xentac | hehehe, could be |
| 01:58:28 | scanline | ah.. I forgot how cool this game was |
| 01:58:33 | scanline | noda: thanks! |
| 01:58:44 | noda | scanline: Thank YOU - I got dott :) |
| 01:58:47 | scanline | monkey island, without a 5.25" floppy drive! |
| 01:58:59 | noda | lol |
| 01:58:59 | Xentac | noda: I don't believe dott finished downloading yet... |
| 01:59:08 | scanline | it's almost done |
| 01:59:13 | Fatbum | well why the hell dont wlan work :( |
| 01:59:18 | scanline | there, just finished |
| 01:59:21 | Xentac | Fatbum: what sort of signal do you have? |
| 01:59:22 | noda | Oh - thanks, would have saved me embarassment later on :) |
| 01:59:44 | scanline | BTW, that URL I gave out here will expire |
| 01:59:54 | noda | Cool :) |
| 01:59:57 | noda | Got it :) |
| 02:00:02 | noda | wishes for bandwidth for Christmas |
| 02:00:23 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 02:00:38 | scanline | damn! I wonder if there's a scummvm for dreamcast... |
| 02:00:42 | Fatbum | xentac what you mean? |
| 02:00:49 | Xentac | oh no... it looks like this is the italian version of loom... |
| 02:01:08 | Xentac | Fatbum: type 'iwconfig' at the command prompt on your zaurus and it should say 'signal level' |
| 02:01:19 | bindu | anyone know why I keep getting files name "_" and "__1", "__2", etc in my documents tab? |
| 02:02:03 | noda | Do you have that little "notes" applet? |
| 02:02:56 | scanline | the music synthesis is a little off in some places.. |
| 02:03:02 | scanline | but overall, ScummVM is awesome! |
| 02:03:18 | Xentac | scanline: there is scummvm for DC |
| 02:03:21 | noda | I tried it with Full Throttle (on my computer) but it goes SO fast... |
| 02:03:23 | Fatbum | i dont have iwconfig |
| 02:03:37 | Xentac | Fatbum: ah... then you can't check the signal strength that way... |
| 02:03:40 | noda | I even got this hack to the Linux kernel to throttle CPU, and throttled it down to like 3%. Still, the timing was all off. |
| 02:03:50 | noda | Can you do *anything* without iwconfig? |
| 02:03:59 | Fatbum | im right by the other one |
| 02:04:13 | Xentac | noda: scummvm shouldn't have that problem... |
| 02:04:21 | Xentac | Fatbum: do you have the proper ssid set? |
| 02:04:24 | noda | Xentac: It did :) |
| 02:04:46 | Xentac | noda: do you have full throttle? |
| 02:05:12 | noda | Same thing happens with Grim Fandango (under wine or not). There's one scene which takes a lot of speed... and if your computer's too fast it's impossible. So you gotta do huge file compressions and stuff and renice Grim Fandango :P |
| 02:05:14 | noda | Xentac: Yep |
| 02:05:19 | noda | It's big I think. |
| 02:05:22 | Xentac | noda: I wouldn't mind that one as well ;o) |
| 02:05:50 | noda | Aah! It's not in the CD case! Oh, phew, it's somewhere else |
| 02:06:13 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 02:06:28 | noda | 494MB... |
| 02:06:44 | Xentac | really? |
| 02:06:47 | noda | Really. |
| 02:06:49 | Xentac | damn... that's way too big |
| 02:07:02 | noda | I know. Seems to be evenly spread out across every file too, not just one or two big ones. |
| 02:07:21 | noda | monster.sou: 102M |
| 02:07:30 | Xentac | ah... those are all speech files... |
| 02:07:32 | Xentac | the .sou ones... |
| 02:07:32 | noda | ft.la1: 149M |
| 02:07:38 | Xentac | what about the .000 .001 ones? |
| 02:07:57 | noda | There aren't any - there's just .la0 and .la1 |
| 02:08:01 | Xentac | ah... |
| 02:08:04 | Xentac | hmmm... |
| 02:08:09 | Xentac | and how big are .la0 and .la1? |
| 02:08:20 | noda | The .la0 is tiny, the .la1 is 149M |
| 02:08:25 | Xentac | nods. |
| 02:08:27 | noda | Videos are 168M |
| 02:08:54 | noda | I don't think anybody will be playing Full Throttle in his/her Zaurus anytime soon :P |
| 02:09:07 | Xentac | well... I bet you I can! |
| 02:09:08 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 02:09:15 | noda | i'd need a bigger flash card :) |
| 02:09:51 | Xentac | hey... I didn't realize the bar in monkey island is called "Scumm Bar" |
| 02:10:13 | scanline | yep |
| 02:10:16 | noda | Cool :) |
| 02:10:20 | noda | Ah well, sleepytime. |
| 02:10:25 | Xentac | that's where they got the name from |
| 02:10:26 | noda | kills a few UT2003 bots and sleeps. Zzz. |
| 02:10:31 | noda | Bye all, thanks :) |
| 02:12:58 | Xentac | treasure huntery... hehehe |
| 02:16:58 | Fatbum | can some1 explain the zimage setup |
| 02:18:24 | kergoth`dead | Fatbum: rtfm |
| 02:18:28 | Fatbum | :( |
| 02:18:38 | | oz faq is http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 02:18:38 | kergoth`dead | ibot oz faq |
| 02:48:49 | VerxHome | Onyx4|away: I see 100% application cpu usage |
| 02:48:57 | VerxHome | Onyx4|away: In system info |
| 02:52:58 | VerxHome | even directly after a reboot |
| 02:53:05 | VerxHome | but to be honest, it feels quite responsive |
| 03:06:46 | scanline | dude... scummvm in ncurses is leet~ |
| 03:06:51 | Fatbum | Onyx4|away you away? |
| 03:06:52 | scanline | s/~/!/ |
| 03:07:37 | Xentac | scanline: in ncurses...? |
| 03:08:04 | scanline | yes |
| 03:08:21 | Xentac | how the hell do you manage that? |
| 03:08:40 | hardwire | aa |
| 03:08:49 | Xentac | yeah? |
| 03:08:54 | Xentac | and how does the mouse interface work? |
| 03:08:59 | scanline | no, not aalib |
| 03:09:00 | scanline | picogui :) |
| 03:09:10 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 03:09:12 | Xentac | that's sick |
| 03:09:13 | Xentac | ;P |
| 03:09:22 | scanline | the colors are screwed up though.. SDL doesn't understand the text mode color conversion |
| 03:09:29 | scanline | tries it in opengl :P |
| 03:09:29 | hardwire | in the end |
| 03:09:30 | hardwire | AA |
| 03:09:48 | scanline | no, it isn't aalib |
| 03:09:50 | scanline | just ncurses |
| 03:09:57 | hardwire | SDL -> ncurses ? |
| 03:09:59 | scanline | no |
| 03:10:06 | scanline | SDL -> picogui -> ncurses :) |
| 03:10:06 | hardwire | then explain |
| 03:10:19 | hardwire | eh |
| 03:10:27 | hardwire | what ran sdl? |
| 03:10:33 | scanline | scummvm |
| 03:10:38 | hardwire | what ran scummvm |
| 03:10:43 | Xentac | scanline: you're one crazy mofo, you realize that? |
| 03:10:48 | scanline | bah |
| 03:10:49 | Xentac | wants to see a screenshot ;o) |
| 03:10:59 | scanline | ok, just a sec... |
| 03:10:59 | hardwire | does not see how picogui is inbetween SDL and anything else |
| 03:11:11 | scanline | hardwire: SDL has a picogui video backend |
| 03:11:23 | Xentac | hardwire: that's because you don't understand how picogui works... |
| 03:11:37 | hardwire | ok |
| 03:11:43 | hardwire | thats what I wanted to know |
| 03:12:39 | Xentac | sweet |
| 03:12:42 | Xentac | I have a copy of loom now |
| 03:12:46 | Xentac | scanline: you want it? |
| 03:12:48 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/monkey2_pg_ncurses.png |
| 03:12:55 | scanline | Xentac: sure. never played it |
| 03:13:01 | Xentac | loom is a very very simple game |
| 03:13:06 | Xentac | but still really cool |
| 03:13:11 | Xentac | but only like 80% supported |
| 03:13:42 | Xentac | it was based on sound and stuff... |
| 03:13:54 | Xentac | sound and colours... instead of actions like pick-up and use |
| 03:14:03 | Xentac | was able to beat it in a couple of days... but it was a very interesting game |
| 03:15:24 | Xentac | scanline: gimme an in-game shot |
| 03:15:46 | scanline | that's hard at the moment... part of monkey island 2's intro makes the console beep like crazy |
| 03:15:53 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 03:16:07 | scanline | the SDL driver doesn't know how to convert colors into the format picogui's ncurses driver uses |
| 03:16:16 | Xentac | one of the things I miss about running scummvm on a desktop is that you can move the mouse around without actually clicking... |
| 03:16:25 | Xentac | nods. |
| 03:16:32 | Xentac | that must make it really difficult |
| 03:16:50 | scanline | eh, the ncurses support isn't useful, just kinda silly |
| 03:16:54 | scanline | for SDL anyway |
| 03:16:59 | scanline | normal GUI apps run pretty well in ncurses |
| 03:17:10 | Xentac | nods. |
| 03:17:34 | hardwire | gooey |
| 03:20:03 | ljp | phooey |
| 03:20:03 | scanline | whee.. monkey island 2 in OpenGL |
| 03:21:01 | hardwire | rawr |
| 03:21:10 | scanline | whee, I can zoom in on the dancing monkeys |
| 03:21:15 | hardwire | hahahah |
| 03:28:52 | Xentac | is away: sleeping |
| 03:36:37 | hardwire | ok |
| 03:36:39 | hardwire | rsync is in |
| 03:39:32 | hardwire | neeeeext |
| 03:43:07 | ljp | uemacs |
| 03:47:19 | hardwire | eww |
| 03:49:54 | scanline | gdb |
| 03:54:56 | hardwire | eww |
| 03:55:02 | hardwire | flac |
| 03:55:02 | hardwire | heh |
| 03:55:03 | jmhodges | .... |
| 03:55:05 | hardwire | flac is next |
| 04:12:06 | hardwire | fuckit |
| 04:12:06 | hardwire | it needs ogg |
| 04:12:06 | hardwire | I don't wanna deal with more and more and more dependant libs |
| 04:12:06 | hardwire | just cause it wants to wrap an ogg header around its own format |
| 04:22:27 | scanline | heh, ogg would be good anyway :) |
| 04:35:08 | hardwire | lib ogg |
| 04:35:09 | hardwire | libvorbis |
| 04:35:11 | hardwire | libao |
| 04:35:14 | hardwire | grr |
| 04:35:16 | hardwire | why bother :) |
| 04:35:23 | hardwire | atleast not after this many beers |
| 05:10:25 | bindu-laptop | test |
| 05:10:44 | bindu-laptop | test2 (last) |
| 05:18:26 | hardwire | test3? |
| 05:18:30 | hardwire | 10 dolla |
| 05:18:30 | hardwire | anybody? |
| 05:43:08 | Onyx4|away | ibot: message for VerxHome: to solve the 100% cpu problem, upgrade the opie-taskbar package from my feed, force re-install if needed |
| 05:44:00 | Onyx4|away | ibot: message for VerxHome: it's even more faster now once this is solved!! |
| 05:49:19 | Onyx4`zzz | looks like opie-login got updated in opie cvs |
| 09:29:38 | scanline | is away: ZzzzZzZz.... |
| 10:48:49 | kolla | Floating point exception |
| 10:48:53 | kolla | ?? |
| 10:49:44 | kolla | why does '/etc/init.d/opie start' give me that? |
| 10:52:39 | sambatron | which version are you running ? |
| 10:56:59 | kolla | latest oz update |
| 10:58:20 | kolla | sigh.. and now the entire thing hangs :) |
| 11:03:58 | kolla | where does klogd store its logfile? |
| 11:07:06 | kolla | dead # |
| 11:09:27 | sambatron | the current status is not stable... |
| 11:09:54 | sambatron | I've been trying to make my oz run for three days |
| 11:10:10 | sambatron | But my opie did run normally |
| 11:35:55 | sambatron | opie is not compiling... |
| 11:36:36 | sambatron | is it known |
| 11:36:37 | sambatron | ? |
| 11:37:06 | kolla | ? |
| 11:37:41 | sambatron | the latest sources from the tree are not compiling on my box |
| 11:41:20 | kolla | oh |
| 11:41:37 | kolla | you have a working developing environment then, I assume :) |
| 11:42:06 | kolla | on the zaurus itself, or through cross-compiling? |
| 11:45:19 | sambatron | well, I've got the oz tree on my pc |
| 11:45:27 | sambatron | then I crosscompile |
| 11:46:41 | cranch | anyone home |
| 11:46:54 | sambatron | yep |
| 11:46:58 | ljp | no |
| 11:47:40 | cranch | hehe |
| 11:47:48 | cranch | hows the OZ release coming? |
| 11:48:50 | kolla | aha... the ssh-agent is messing up |
| 11:50:13 | cranch | any idea on a release date? |
| 11:51:37 | sambatron | me has no clue |
| 12:12:17 | kolla | /usr/sbin/inetd: Exec format error |
| 12:12:40 | sambatron | who says that ? |
| 12:13:03 | kolla | my z :) |
| 12:13:11 | kolla | x86 inetd I bet you :) |
| 12:13:24 | sambatron | you won |
| 12:13:50 | sambatron | did you compile it ? |
| 12:14:03 | kolla | no.. OZ feed |
| 12:14:16 | kolla | ELF 32-bit LSB executable, no machine, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 12:14:23 | kolla | "no machine" |
| 12:14:24 | kolla | funny :9 |
| 12:15:20 | sambatron | no clue |
| 12:15:28 | sambatron | ipaq ? |
| 12:15:50 | kolla | shoulnt matter |
| 12:15:53 | kolla | shouldnt |
| 12:20:35 | cranch | no new OZ release yet? |
| 12:20:35 | cranch | :P |
| 12:20:43 | cranch | kergoth should be here so i can pester him about it! |
| 12:20:44 | cranch | :) |
| 12:24:37 | kolla | well, it cannot be released in its current state anyways |
| 12:24:57 | cranch | I figured that....kergoth was saying lots was still not working the best |
| 12:25:14 | kolla | well, here most isnt working at all :) |
| 12:26:26 | kolla | opie gives floating point error and it locks up all the time |
| 12:26:58 | cranch | haha |
| 12:26:59 | cranch | that sucks |
| 12:27:04 | cranch | backwards progress is never good |
| 12:28:08 | sambatron | :DD |
| 12:29:54 | kolla | a long time ago I came to the conclusion that any *ix OS isnt suited for PDA |
| 12:30:12 | sambatron | why is that ? |
| 12:30:22 | sambatron | I don't agree |
| 12:30:25 | kolla | lots of reasons |
| 12:30:33 | kolla | well, assume this for a start |
| 12:31:22 | kolla | a user starts his mp3 player from a CF card... but then wants to play mp3s from some other card, so he removes the card from which the mp3 player is launched and insterts the new card with the mp3 file he wants to play.. what happens? |
| 12:31:52 | sambatron | you tell me |
| 12:34:23 | sambatron | or not ? |
| 12:35:24 | kolla | well |
| 12:36:44 | kolla | the user rips out the filesystem, but since there is an application launched from it, it will not be able to unmount the mount point.. so when the new CF card is inserted, it wont mount.. ultimatly the user will try to open the mountpoint and tada.. it appears locked |
| 12:37:25 | sambatron | I don't think it gets blocked |
| 12:37:35 | kolla | why not? |
| 12:37:44 | kolla | it will appear blocked |
| 12:37:55 | kolla | the user will certainly not get what he wanted anyways |
| 12:38:08 | sambatron | do you have a Z with you ? |
| 12:38:41 | kolla | sure |
| 12:38:48 | kolla | crash party with OZ :) |
| 12:38:56 | sambatron | and a cf card ? |
| 12:39:02 | kolla | yes |
| 12:39:06 | sambatron | cool |
| 12:39:10 | kolla | 512MB |
| 12:39:10 | sambatron | mount the card |
| 12:39:13 | sambatron | damn |
| 12:39:17 | sambatron | that's big |
| 12:39:28 | kolla | so? |
| 12:39:39 | sambatron | so nothing, I was just impressed |
| 12:39:48 | kolla | oh :) |
| 12:40:02 | sambatron | ok, after mount edit one file.... vi /mnt/cf/foo |
| 12:40:17 | kolla | yes |
| 12:40:29 | sambatron | then take out the card |
| 12:40:45 | sambatron | and in another terminal, make a df |
| 12:40:47 | kolla | yes |
| 12:40:59 | sambatron | does it appear mounted ? |
| 12:42:43 | kolla | does vi hold a lock? |
| 12:42:46 | kolla | nope |
| 12:42:49 | sambatron | yep |
| 12:42:53 | kolla | try something better |
| 12:43:07 | kolla | not really |
| 12:43:15 | kolla | try cd'ing to the card instead ;) |
| 12:43:33 | sambatron | does it appear mounted ? |
| 12:43:39 | kolla | haha |
| 12:43:45 | sambatron | (I've got no Z with me now?) |
| 12:43:48 | kolla | vi wrote to /mnt/cf/test |
| 12:43:58 | kolla | not on the CF card, but on / |
| 12:44:12 | sambatron | that's normal |
| 12:44:22 | sambatron | the mount point doesn't get blocked |
| 12:44:37 | kolla | well, try cd into the cf card |
| 12:44:53 | kolla | I know vi doesnt lockfiles before writing to them |
| 12:45:11 | kolla | but try starting an application *from* the cf card and see what happens |
| 12:45:23 | sambatron | do you have "lockfile" ? |
| 12:45:36 | kolla | what's that got to do with it? |
| 12:45:47 | kolla | there is no proper locking on unix |
| 12:45:52 | sambatron | just to lock a file :) |
| 12:46:04 | sambatron | so there is no locking ? :D |
| 12:46:17 | kolla | not really |
| 12:46:22 | kolla | hence all the lockfiles |
| 12:46:28 | sambatron | what's proper locking ? |
| 12:46:36 | kolla | if there was real locking there wouldnt be any need for syupid lockfiles |
| 12:47:00 | sambatron | you've got posix semaphores |
| 12:47:09 | kolla | proper locking means that a program can open a file and tell the system that it is working on this file and that for instance no other program shall be able to open it |
| 12:47:25 | kolla | or that other programs can be able to just read it |
| 12:47:25 | sambatron | you've got that |
| 12:47:37 | kolla | it just doesnt work I know.. duh :) |
| 12:47:44 | kolla | I never ever saw it working |
| 12:47:50 | sambatron | you can even lock only a part of a file |
| 12:48:13 | kolla | well, never saw it working |
| 12:48:32 | kolla | if it was working, then why all the lockfiles? :) |
| 12:48:59 | sambatron | I don't get your point |
| 12:49:18 | kolla | that's normal |
| 12:49:38 | kolla | ok, I now copied bash over to /mnt/cf and launch it from there |
| 12:50:19 | kolla | and it get killed |
| 12:50:23 | kolla | gets killed |
| 12:50:27 | kolla | when I remove the card |
| 12:50:33 | kolla | wicked |
| 12:50:46 | kolla | removal of card kill all applications ran from it? haha |
| 12:51:19 | kolla | how primitive :) |
| 12:53:14 | kolla | the alternative world.. use devices and volumes.. mount a volume on a device, launch application from the volume.. remove the volume.. mount a new volume on the same device.. open files from the new volume |
| 12:53:40 | mdz-work | kolla: killing it seems like the appropriate behaviour |
| 12:53:43 | kolla | if program wants something from the old volume, then pop up a requester asking the user to the old volume |
| 12:53:47 | mdz-work | kolla: how do you expect it to work? |
| 12:53:55 | kolla | mdz-work: only option I guess |
| 12:54:13 | kolla | mdz-work:I dont expect it to work |
| 12:54:26 | kolla | :) |
| 12:55:15 | kolla | mdz-work: why kill the application.. doesnt the application run fine already? |
| 12:55:34 | kolla | isnt it loaded in memory already? |
| 12:55:44 | kolla | why this obsession with the filesystem? :) |
| 12:57:16 | kolla | especially this is a problem when you have small devices like a PDA |
| 12:57:37 | kolla | also there's applications and binaries should be able to be put memory resident |
| 12:57:42 | kolla | that |
| 12:58:34 | kolla | when the application is launched, it should have no need for the filsystem it was launched from.. and if it does, the user should be told to bring back the filesystem |
| 12:58:48 | kolla | but hey... that's sci-fi, right? :) |
| 13:11:59 | mdz-work | kolla: no, it is not entirely loaded into memory |
| 13:12:04 | mdz-work | kolla: executables are demand paged |
| 13:12:28 | mdz-work | kolla: which you especially want on a PDA, where memory resources are very limited |
| 13:12:36 | mdz-work | kolla: loading the entire executable into memory would be wasteful |
| 13:13:48 | kolla | why? |
| 13:14:05 | kolla | I mean.. |
| 13:14:37 | kolla | are you saying that when an application is launched, it is not loaded into memory, but is running off the filesystem? |
| 13:14:47 | kolla | no wonder it's slow :) |
| 13:15:01 | mdz-work | kolla: only the portions which have actually been used are loaded into memory |
| 13:15:18 | mdz-work | kolla: the rest needs to be available from the filesystem in case it is needed |
| 13:15:20 | kolla | "used"? |
| 13:15:34 | mdz-work | kolla: sigh |
| 13:16:17 | kolla | you are talking about applications that keep lots of resources on disk in terms of ... libs and graphics and such? |
| 13:17:13 | mdz-work | kolla: I am talking about the program code itself, in the executable binary and dynamically linked libraries |
| 13:18:26 | kolla | are you saying that if I copy /bin/bash to /mnt/cf and run it from there, the entire /mnt/bin/bash file is not loaded into memory? |
| 13:18:55 | mdz-work | kolla: that is true no matter where you run it from |
| 13:19:22 | kolla | sheesh... hence proves that *ix is even less usable for a PDA :) |
| 13:19:44 | mdz-work | kolla: this is a *good* thing for a PDA |
| 13:19:46 | kolla | where people might want to pop filesystem in and out |
| 13:19:49 | kolla | no it isnt |
| 13:20:21 | kolla | it means you cannot start and application and then remove the card it was started from :) |
| 13:20:24 | mdz-work | kolla: you do NOT want to load all X megs worth of bash into memory when only a portion of it will be needed for it to run |
| 13:20:39 | mdz-work | kolla: so copy the application to the internal flash |
| 13:20:44 | kolla | why not? ram is cheap |
| 13:20:49 | kolla | flash ram isnt :) |
| 13:21:05 | mdz-work | kolla: Zaurus RAM is not cheap, and very limited |
| 13:21:07 | kolla | flash ram is ful lbefore you know it |
| 13:21:15 | kolla | 64MB is *lots* of ram |
| 13:21:40 | kolla | heck, I've run lots of systems with a heck lot less ram |
| 13:22:37 | kolla | and if all apps takes megs of ram, then maybe those apps have a more fundamental problem :) |
| 13:23:59 | Xentac | is back (gone 09:55:04) |
| 13:24:05 | kolla | kergoth: yo, opie gives me "Floating point exception" |
| 13:24:21 | kolla | known problem? |
| 13:28:47 | numatrix | kolla: 64mb of ram? Only if you're running OZ with that memory split... |
| 13:28:57 | kergoth | ? |
| 13:29:20 | kolla | numatrix: ? |
| 13:30:13 | numatrix | kolla: You said 64mb of ram is more than enough, but that's a little misleading. The zaurus doesn't really have 64mb of ram... Split between storage and ram, it's quite different than, say, a pc with 64mb of ram and a hard drive, unless you happen to be running a custom rom built to use the whole thing. |
| 13:30:37 | kolla | numatrix: ofcourse I do |
| 13:31:09 | numatrix | Right, but not everybody does. |
| 13:31:12 | kolla | numatrix: the "split" isnt any more magical than a regular ram disk |
| 13:31:17 | kergoth | numatrix: what? the zaurus has 64mb ram. |
| 13:31:17 | kolla | so? |
| 13:31:23 | kergoth | kolla: exactly. |
| 13:31:26 | kolla | 32MB is also heck lots of ram :) |
| 13:31:33 | kergoth | its 64mb ram. you do with it what you will. |
| 13:31:41 | kolla | yes |
| 13:31:47 | kolla | numatrix: listen to kergoth, he knows :) |
| 13:31:53 | mdz-work | 64M of RAM is not a lot if you want to run GUI apps |
| 13:32:05 | numatrix | Right, but when talking to the average user who wants to buy one, you don't tell them it has 64mb of ram, so it will run programs just like a desktop with 64mb of ram. |
| 13:32:20 | numatrix | mdz-work: And 32 is especially not a lot when you want to run GUI apps. :-) |
| 13:32:21 | kergoth | numatrix: marketing is different from reality :) |
| 13:32:30 | kolla | numatrix: that's sharp's fault :) |
| 13:32:50 | kergoth | numatrix: but the next unit will not need such concerns |
| 13:32:52 | numatrix | kolla: No, you'd agree with sharp though--you're saying the same thing they do "64 mb of ram". |
| 13:33:00 | kergoth | numatrix: you're not listening. |
| 13:33:08 | kergoth | numatrix: perhaps it shouldnt be *marketed* as 64mb of ram |
| 13:33:13 | kergoth | numatrix: but it does *have* 64mb of ram |
| 13:33:16 | kolla | numatrix: only reason they split the ram is to cut costs |
| 13:33:17 | kergoth | thats the difference. |
| 13:33:25 | kergoth | ram is cheaper than flash. thats all there is to it |
| 13:33:28 | kolla | numatrix: as I said earlier.. ram is cheap, flash ram is not |
| 13:33:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 13:33:50 | numatrix | Let me put it this way... Joe Blow the average consumer wants to know how much ram his device has. What do you tell him? |
| 13:34:02 | kolla | to stay off, it's not a product for him :) |
| 13:34:08 | numatrix | I'm well aware of what you guys are saying, I'm just trying to point out that to most people, it's hard to make the distinction. |
| 13:34:25 | kolla | so? |
| 13:34:32 | numatrix | kolla: ;-) I hope not, because like linux in general, there's only so much support geeks can give it before it starts needing general public support. |
| 13:34:48 | kolla | maybe they should put "32bit" on it as well, like they do on everything else |
| 13:34:56 | kolla | people obviously know what "32bit" is :) |
| 13:34:58 | kolla | duh |
| 13:35:02 | kergoth | numatrix: yes, due to a lack of knowledge. the fact is, the device has 64mb of ram. you can deceive them by making it sound better to ensure that their perceptions dont result in a misrepresentation |
| 13:35:06 | numatrix | Yuck. Too early for any sort of discussion. Still have no caffeine. |
| 13:35:16 | kergoth | just marketing. |
| 13:35:25 | kergoth | too bad sharp didnt do shit with this product in that regard |
| 13:35:32 | kergoth | here's hoping the 5600 does beter |
| 13:35:38 | kergoth | wanders off to get caffeine |
| 13:35:49 | numatrix | kergoth: What did you mention though about the 5600 not having to worry about that? |
| 13:36:00 | kolla | it wont come with "split" ram |
| 13:36:15 | kergoth | numatrix: 64mb nand flash, 8mb nor flash, 32mb actual ram, used as ram |
| 13:36:17 | kergoth | brb |
| 13:36:17 | kolla | if it comes at all |
| 13:36:54 | numatrix | kergoth: Spiff. Not a bad idea. 96mb ram. :-) |
| 13:37:12 | kolla | moves over to his much superiour computer... |
| 13:41:09 | sambatron | I get this compiling opie |
| 13:41:10 | sambatron | storage.cpp:24: qpe/custom.h: No such file or directory |
| 13:41:10 | sambatron | make[4]: *** [storage.o] Error 1 |
| 13:41:29 | sambatron | known ? |
| 14:00:56 | numatrix | can somebody do me a favor and tell me what the fourth line in buildroot-oz/packages/fbvncserver/Makefile is? Something must have gotten messed up, it looks like Build = SOMETHING got truncated to Bui |
| 14:11:14 | kergoth | numatrix: remove that line. that shouldve been fixed, might've gotten lost when our tree was flaky |
| 14:28:37 | kergoth | ah nice, hardwire added rsync eh |
| 14:28:39 | kergoth | nifty |
| 14:36:09 | numatrix | kergoth: Yeah, I just noticed that. ntp is in there too which is nice. |
| 14:36:28 | kergoth | yeah |
| 14:36:40 | kergoth | i need to get the dependency generation fixed so theres less manual work involved in this |
| 14:36:48 | numatrix | I had some issues yesterday when the ftp server hosting zlib was down. One of the only drawbacks of the way this is set up. |
| 14:37:38 | kergoth | numatrix: indeed. I'd like to facilitate support for mirrors |
| 14:37:44 | sambatron | I'm sorry to bother only with problems, but I removed my whole tree "recloned" and ran make again, and opie fails compiling |
| 14:37:46 | kergoth | numatrix: so that itd try a few sites in sequence |
| 14:37:51 | kergoth | sambatron: where? |
| 14:38:07 | sambatron | arm-linux-g++ -c -I/home/jorge/prog/zaurus/oz/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20020928/include -pipe -DQT_QWS_EBX -DQT_QWS_CUSTOM -DQWS -fno-exceptions - |
| 14:38:07 | sambatron | fno-rtti -Wall -W -march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -mapcs-32 -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -O3 -fPIC -I/home/jorge/prog/zaurus/oz/buildroot |
| 14:38:07 | sambatron | -oz/output/staging/usr/include -fpermissive -I/home/jorge/prog/zaurus/oz/buildroot-oz/build/opie/include -Ibackend -o storage.o storage.cpp |
| 14:38:08 | sambatron | storage.cpp:24: qpe/custom.h: No such file or directory |
| 14:38:08 | sambatron | make[4]: *** [storage.o] Error 1 |
| 14:38:10 | sambatron | make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/jorge/prog/zaurus/oz/buildroot-oz/build/opie/library' |
| 14:38:16 | numatrix | kergoth: Yeah, that would be useful; I had to cancel it by hand myself and get the tarball and extract it manually. Not too big of a deal in the end. |
| 14:39:01 | kergoth | sambatron: hm, qpe/custom.h should exist |
| 14:39:07 | kergoth | sambatron: its created as a symlink when configure runs |
| 14:39:11 | kergoth | sambatron: ls build/opie/include/ |
| 14:39:35 | sambatron | !sharp-dev-armjorge@troglo:~/prog/zaurus/oz/buildroot-oz$ ls build/opie/include/ |
| 14:39:35 | sambatron | CVS opie qpe qtopia |
| 14:39:50 | kergoth | ls build/opie/include/qpe/custom.h |
| 14:40:13 | sambatron | !sharp-dev-armjorge@troglo:~/prog/zaurus/oz/buildroot-oz$ ls build/opie/include/qpe/custom* |
| 14:40:13 | sambatron | build/opie/include/qpe/custom-ipaq.h build/opie/include/qpe/custom-sharp.h |
| 14:40:26 | numatrix | kergoth: Whatever happened with Onyx4's attempts to optimize the opie build? |
| 14:40:30 | kergoth | sambatron: thats a bug. |
| 14:40:35 | kergoth | numatrix: he put it in bk |
| 14:40:40 | kergoth | sambatron: :) |
| 14:40:52 | kergoth | sambatron: I'm surprised nobody noticed it until now |
| 14:41:03 | sambatron | kergoth : buf... I just though I was doing something wrong |
| 14:41:08 | kergoth | sambatron: nope, not you |
| 14:41:19 | sambatron | kergoth : :) |
| 14:41:23 | numatrix | kergoth: Sweet; how does it run? |
| 14:41:25 | kergoth | sambatron: it does ./configure -xplatform [blah], and it symlinks custom-[blah].h to custom.h |
| 14:41:41 | kergoth | sambatron: see we added a new oz configuration, and we run ./configure -xplatform oz instead of sharp |
| 14:41:46 | sambatron | kergoth : should I create the link manually ? |
| 14:41:47 | kergoth | sambatron: but there *is* no custom-oz.h |
| 14:41:55 | kergoth | sambatron: yes. symlink custom-sharp.h to custom.h |
| 14:41:59 | kergoth | sambatron: then it'll be fine |
| 14:42:40 | numatrix | I just got a strange error that a directory didn't exist. I just made the directory and it appeared to work; that a known bug? It was something like output/ipkgtemp/ipkg-20020930-1/ |
| 14:42:46 | sambatron | kergoth : ok.... making |
| 14:43:30 | kergoth | numatrix: shouldnt be, no |
| 14:43:38 | kergoth | numatrix: hmm |
| 14:43:50 | kergoth | numatrix: it creates the dir on its own if it doesnt exist, or *should* |
| 14:44:07 | numatrix | kergoth: Strange. The part that had trouble was where it was trying to touch the CONTROL file. |
| 14:44:31 | kergoth | numatrix: the first line in the ipk creation is mkdir -p $(IPKTMP_DIR)/CONTROL |
| 14:44:34 | kergoth | numatrix: odd |
| 14:44:48 | kergoth | hmm |
| 14:45:33 | numatrix | Crap; invalid port while trying to download qt-embedded from trolltech? |
| 14:46:37 | numatrix | ncftpget works fine, but wget fails. Strange. |
| 14:47:05 | kergoth | numatrix: need --passive-ftp? |
| 14:47:10 | kergoth | numatrix: behind a firewall/ |
| 14:48:16 | numatrix | kergoth: No firewall. Hmm, must be it though because ncftpget uses passive by default. |
| 14:48:29 | numatrix | Maybe trolltech made a change on their server? (doubtful...) |
| 14:49:25 | gonkulator{work} | is away: working away at these computers of mine |
| 14:49:49 | kergoth | possible |
| 14:49:50 | kergoth | dunno |
| 14:50:59 | kergoth | hey hunger |
| 14:51:03 | Onyx4 | hey |
| 14:51:09 | kergoth | morning Onyx4 |
| 14:51:13 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 14:51:20 | Onyx4 | I know how to fix this custom.h problem, anybody on it yet or...? |
| 14:51:33 | kergoth | Onyx4: there is no custom-oz.h :) |
| 14:51:39 | kergoth | Onyx4: i havent fixed it yet, feel free |
| 14:51:58 | Onyx4 | also the inetd is a x86 binary someone changed the makefile and removed the cc=arm-linux-gcc parameter from it |
| 14:52:16 | hunger | kergoth: Ji there. |
| 14:52:24 | Onyx4 | and atd doesn't seem to be working from me in terms of setting time |
| 14:52:35 | kergoth | Onyx4: CC is set to arm-linux-gcc in the environment. it shouldnt be necessary |
| 14:52:42 | kergoth | i've heard the atd reports |
| 14:52:45 | kergoth | thats a weird one |
| 14:52:56 | Onyx4 | maybe opie sources changed? |
| 14:53:07 | kergoth | ? |
| 14:53:09 | kergoth | in what way? |
| 14:53:32 | Onyx4 | that it won't touch the trigger for atd? |
| 14:53:35 | numatrix | Onyx4: Hmm, yeah, good call: |
| 14:53:39 | numatrix | file ./output/staging/usr/sbin/inetd |
| 14:53:39 | numatrix | ./output/staging/usr/sbin/inetd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 14:54:01 | Onyx4 | look at the configure line |
| 14:54:04 | Onyx4 | it calls it with host_CC |
| 14:54:12 | Onyx4 | who made that changed..? |
| 14:54:18 | kergoth | ? |
| 14:54:23 | Onyx4 | who made that change |
| 14:54:26 | kergoth | what change? |
| 14:54:34 | Onyx4 | the netkit makefile |
| 14:55:03 | kergoth | i was fucking with it to make it compile on someone's machine that didnt like it. we call that configure line with x86 parameters |
| 14:55:18 | kergoth | becuase its configure script is not autoconf, its proprietary, and it doesnt supporc rosscompilation |
| 14:55:29 | kergoth | but apparently i broke it. oops |
| 14:55:37 | Onyx4 | yep just saw that in revtool |
| 14:56:25 | kergoth | i'm tempted to convert them to autoconf :) |
| 14:58:55 | hunger | kergoth: I can't su :-( |
| 14:59:15 | hunger | su: Cannot set groups: Operation not permitted |
| 14:59:42 | kergoth | hunger: hmm, interesting |
| 15:00:54 | hunger | kergoth: Only happens user->root. |
| 15:00:54 | sambatron | ok, I've got a new opie problem when compiling: |
| 15:01:08 | kergoth | hunger: hmm. strace? :) |
| 15:01:09 | sambatron | arm-linux-g++ -c -I/home/jorge/prog/zaurus/oz/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20020928/include -pipe -DQT_QWS_EBX -DQT_QWS_CUSTOM -DQWS -fno-exceptions - |
| 15:01:09 | sambatron | fno-rtti -Wall -W -march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -mapcs-32 -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -O3 -I/home/jorge/prog/zaurus/oz/buildroot-oz/ou |
| 15:01:09 | sambatron | tput/staging/usr/include -fpermissive -I/home/jorge/prog/zaurus/oz/buildroot-oz/build/opie/include -I../launcher -I../apps/calibrate -o loginwindowimpl.o login |
| 15:01:10 | sambatron | windowimpl.cpp |
| 15:01:10 | sambatron | loginwindowimpl.cpp: In method `void LoginWindowImpl::keyPressEvent(QKeyEvent *)': |
| 15:01:12 | sambatron | loginwindowimpl.cpp:72: `HardKey_Suspend' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 15:01:14 | sambatron | loginwindowimpl.cpp:72: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 15:01:16 | sambatron | loginwindowimpl.cpp:72: for each function it appears in.) |
| 15:01:18 | sambatron | loginwindowimpl.cpp:74: `HardKey_Backlight' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 15:01:20 | sambatron | loginwindowimpl.cpp:72: warning: unreachable code at beginning of switch statement |
| 15:01:22 | sambatron | make[4]: *** [loginwindowimpl.o] Error 1 |
| 15:03:05 | sambatron | opie does not compile... |
| 15:03:18 | kergoth | so complain to opie |
| 15:03:22 | sambatron | :D |
| 15:03:24 | kergoth | they have channels you know :-P |
| 15:03:27 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:03:29 | hunger | kergoth: |
| 15:03:32 | hunger | setgroups32(0x1, 0xa2f10) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) |
| 15:03:32 | hunger | write(2, "su: ", 4su: ) = 4 |
| 15:03:32 | hunger | write(2, "cannot set groups", 17cannot set groups) = 17 |
| 15:03:32 | hunger | write(2, ": Operation not permitted\n", 26: Operation not permitted |
| 15:03:32 | hunger | ) = 26 |
| 15:03:32 | hunger | _exit(1) = ? |
| 15:03:42 | sambatron | maybe we should use another snapshot |
| 15:03:48 | kergoth | sambatron: ? we use cvs. |
| 15:03:53 | kergoth | sambatron: not a snapshot |
| 15:04:12 | sambatron | kergoth : but don't we use a specific snapshot on cvs ? |
| 15:04:22 | kergoth | huh? |
| 15:04:23 | kergoth | no |
| 15:04:25 | kergoth | we use cvs HEAD |
| 15:04:35 | kergoth | as of the date you ran the build and it obtained it |
| 15:04:42 | sambatron | damn, then I'll complaint to them :D |
| 15:05:08 | hunger | kergoth: I think I know the problem. Unfortunately I don't know how to fix it. |
| 15:05:24 | hunger | kergoth: su needs to be suid root... but it is a link to busybox. |
| 15:05:24 | kergoth | sambatron: cd build/opie; cvs up -PdA && date +%Y%m%d > stamp-version; cd ../..; rm stamps/opie/.opie.binary; make |
| 15:05:30 | kergoth | hunger: oh *fun* |
| 15:05:50 | kergoth | hunger: so we either suid root busybox, eww, or we switch to su from tinylogin, eh? |
| 15:06:04 | hunger | kergoth: I'd prefer the later;-) |
| 15:06:07 | numatrix | cp: cannot create regular file `/data/devel/oz/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20020928/src/tools/qconfig-qpe.h': No such file or directory |
| 15:06:17 | numatrix | The /build/qt-blah/src directory doesn't exist? |
| 15:06:34 | kergoth | numatrix: you dont have qt? |
| 15:06:47 | kergoth | numatrix: rm stamps/.qt*sourcetree; make; |
| 15:06:48 | hunger | setting busybox suid root does not feel right at all;-) |
| 15:07:09 | hunger | kergoth: So we'd need to switch back to tinylogin? |
| 15:07:11 | numatrix | kergoth: I sure thought I did... |
| 15:07:12 | kergoth | hunger: oh i agree wholeheartedly |
| 15:07:17 | numatrix | Umm; File to patch: ?? |
| 15:07:20 | kergoth | hunger: or split tinylogin into more granular packages |
| 15:07:29 | kergoth | hunger: util-login-su ;-) |
| 15:07:32 | kergoth | hunger: er |
| 15:07:35 | kergoth | hunger: tinylogin-su |
| 15:07:36 | kergoth | blah |
| 15:07:37 | kergoth | is tired yet |
| 15:07:42 | numatrix | -------------------------- |
| 15:07:42 | numatrix | |diff -bur3 src.orig/widgets/qmenubar.cpp src/widgets/qmenubar.cpp |
| 15:07:42 | numatrix | |--- src.orig/widgets/qmenubar.cpp Mon Mar 18 02:11:27 2002 |
| 15:07:42 | numatrix | |+++ src/widgets/qmenubar.cpp Sun Sep 1 19:31:09 2002 |
| 15:07:48 | numatrix | -------------------------- |
| 15:07:48 | numatrix | File to patch: |
| 15:08:10 | hunger | kergoth: Anyway: su can go from busybox. No use to have that included. No use to have any prog included that needs to be suid root. |
| 15:08:18 | kergoth | numatrix: um, break out, then ls build/qt* |
| 15:08:26 | kergoth | numatrix: er, ls build/|grep qt, i mean |
| 15:08:28 | kergoth | hunger: agreed. |
| 15:08:33 | numatrix | kergoth: bin configs |
| 15:08:41 | Onyx4 | what do we use the audiofile library for? |
| 15:08:50 | kergoth | Onyx4: ask hardwire |
| 15:08:55 | kergoth | Onyx4: probably for esound |
| 15:08:56 | hunger | kergoth: Like mount and umount... |
| 15:09:00 | Onyx4 | i'm trying to compile opie again with my latest patch |
| 15:09:10 | kergoth | hunger: mount needs suid? |
| 15:09:42 | hunger | kergoth: Yes, if you want to allow users to mount stuff (noauto,users in fstab). |
| 15:09:52 | numatrix | qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20020928 |
| 15:09:55 | kergoth | hunger: gotcha. |
| 15:10:01 | hunger | kergoth: Very important for CF cards etc. I think. |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | hunger: feel free to make these changes yourself if you like. otherwise email me so i dont forget :) |
| 15:11:20 | hunger | kergoth: I don't feel like doing it right now... I'm running low on HD space and cannot yet delete my totally outdatet buildroot-oz which is really huge. |
| 15:11:29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:11:53 | kergoth | I need more time |
| 15:11:59 | kergoth | i have not enough time to do what needs doing |
| 15:11:59 | kergoth | damnit |
| 15:12:21 | kergoth | morning agupta |
| 15:12:25 | hunger | kergoth: Leave it alone till after nov. 27. |
| 15:12:32 | kergoth | hunger: whats nov 27? |
| 15:12:43 | hunger | kergoth: I'll be done with my exams then;-) |
| 15:12:47 | kergoth | hah :) |
| 15:13:14 | hunger | kergoth: I have about 25 books on my table that I need to read till then... and a couple more are still in the lib. |
| 15:13:35 | kergoth | damn |
| 15:14:03 | hunger | Well, I *should* be learning... I'll be back later. |
| 15:14:05 | agupta | kergoth |
| 15:14:20 | kergoth | k |
| 15:14:51 | agupta | i was compiling kismet, when i do it via makefile ./configure errors out.. says C compiler cannot create executables, when i do the same thing via commandline it works fine |
| 15:14:55 | agupta | no idea why |
| 15:14:55 | Onyx4 | mmm it's strange cause when I clean opie, it looks like it wants to re-apply my qte patches in the qte tree before starting to compile |
| 15:16:04 | agupta | yes, that's hard coded into the makefile thing |
| 15:16:07 | agupta | or is it.. |
| 15:16:09 | agupta | hmm |
| 15:16:32 | kergoth | qt's sourcetree depends on opie's sourcetree |
| 15:16:48 | kergoth | if you touch/rm opie's sourcetree, qt thinks it needs to run through its build again |
| 15:16:55 | Onyx4 | ok anyway, all you have to do is press enter to say skip patch |
| 15:17:01 | Onyx4 | but I guess that would not happen on a clean build |
| 15:17:02 | kergoth | make limitation, you cant depend on something wwithout also being sensitive to datestamp |
| 15:17:14 | kergoth | I just want it to depend on a file's existance, but ignore the date of it |
| 15:17:45 | Onyx4 | they fixed the 100% cpu bug now in opie cvs |
| 15:17:47 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:17:47 | agupta | any idea about that c compiler error? |
| 15:17:48 | kergoth | saw that |
| 15:17:58 | kergoth | agupta: whats the configure line its using |
| 15:18:52 | agupta | something long |
| 15:18:58 | kergoth | well paste it |
| 15:19:13 | agupta | cd $(SourceTree); ./configure --host=$(ARCH)-$(OS) --build $(BUILDARCH)-$(BUILDOS) --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --disable-gps --enable-zaurus --without-ethereal --enable-syspcap |
| 15:19:27 | agupta | same thing with variables evaluated works in commandline |
| 15:20:09 | kergoth | agupta: try CC=$(CC_FOR_BUILD) ./configure ..etc.. |
| 15:20:13 | kergoth | agupta: just for shits |
| 15:20:34 | agupta | ko |
| 15:20:36 | agupta | i'll try that |
| 15:20:40 | agupta | off to class now |
| 15:21:01 | hardwire | la |
| 15:21:06 | Onyx4 | looks like a big update on opie-network setup and opie-irc |
| 15:21:15 | Onyx4 | I wonder what they changed |
| 15:21:20 | hardwire | the love |
| 15:21:35 | kergoth | Onyx4: ben rewrote netsetup from the ground up |
| 15:21:49 | Onyx4 | will it still work with our pcmcia setup? |
| 15:23:10 | kergoth | Onyx4: it should support two methods of handling pcmcija config |
| 15:23:14 | kergoth | Onyx4: both interfaces, and network.opts |
| 15:23:20 | kergoth | Onyx4: we're going to interfaces whenever we can |
| 15:24:06 | kergoth | Onyx4: mind building networksetup and checking it out? i havent had a chance |
| 15:24:16 | kergoth | Onyx4: today is hectic, i'm doing some work on the support website for digi |
| 15:24:18 | Onyx4 | im doing that atm |
| 15:24:20 | kergoth | cool |
| 15:24:38 | Onyx4 | well building a fresh opie so it's gonna have that in it |
| 15:24:46 | Onyx4 | aqpkg is coming along pretty well |
| 15:24:46 | kergoth | did ben add it to the root makefile? |
| 15:24:52 | kergoth | just cause its in cvs doesnt mean it'll be built |
| 15:24:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:24:58 | Onyx4 | yeah I'll have to check |
| 15:25:46 | kergoth | diff -urNd --exclude ChangeSet --exclude BitKeeper --exclude CVS --exclude SCCS `cat buildroot-bk-sync/BitKeeper/etc/ignore|(for i in \`cat\`; do echo --exclude \'$i\'; done;)` buildroot-cvs-sync-bksync/ buildroot-bk-sync/ > patch |
| 15:25:47 | Onyx4 | ok it's not part of the main makefile |
| 15:25:50 | kergoth | ^-nifty |
| 15:25:57 | kergoth | Onyx4: figured. add it and see if it even compiles :) |
| 15:26:57 | hardwire | http://www.lycoris.com/store/ |
| 15:27:09 | hardwire | now why would I go do something stupid like this? |
| 15:27:23 | hardwire | I "escaped" having per machine certs |
| 15:28:10 | numatrix | kergoth: I'm lazy; I'm just doing a make clean; make. What's another hour when I'm working anyway. ;-) |
| 15:30:51 | kergoth | numatrix: hehe |
| 15:30:54 | wazlaf | hi |
| 15:31:06 | Onyx4 | in theory, the pcmcia script uses interfaces whenever the network.opts nothing is defined, but if his gui things defines both, we'll need to probably move the interfaces portion differently int he pcmcia script so that it's preferred |
| 15:31:24 | wazlaf | the wireless drivers coming with OZ seem to be very buggy |
| 15:31:28 | kergoth | Onyx4: depends. if we can choose which to use |
| 15:31:37 | Onyx4 | kergoth: yeah |
| 15:31:42 | wazlaf | on my prismII CF card they work for about 4 3-4 minutes |
| 15:31:44 | kergoth | wazlaf: I've never seen any problems, and i hear reports that they're more stable than whats in the sharp rom. |
| 15:31:44 | Onyx4 | wazlaf: why so? |
| 15:31:58 | kergoth | wazlaf: what card? |
| 15:31:58 | wazlaf | i get tons of kernel error messages |
| 15:32:02 | kergoth | what errors? |
| 15:32:05 | kergoth | give me *info* man |
| 15:32:07 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:32:08 | wazlaf | netgear ma701 |
| 15:32:10 | wazlaf | :) |
| 15:32:12 | wazlaf | 1 sec |
| 15:32:16 | Onyx4 | I have same card |
| 15:32:20 | Onyx4 | works fine for me |
| 15:32:21 | kergoth | != psychic |
| 15:32:50 | wazlaf | wlan0: CMD=0x0021 => res=0x67, resp0=0xe71c |
| 15:33:06 | kergoth | wazlaf: um, how do you know thats an error |
| 15:33:09 | wazlaf | wlan0: hfa384x_get_rid: CMDCODE_ACCESS failed (res=103) |
| 15:33:14 | kergoth | okay, that is |
| 15:33:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:33:25 | wazlaf | ;) |
| 15:33:26 | hardwire | heh |
| 15:33:35 | wazlaf | repeats about 100 times |
| 15:33:41 | hardwire | do you have access? |
| 15:33:52 | wazlaf | and I can't ping it anymore after the message appears for the first time |
| 15:33:56 | hardwire | all that could mean is the rid controller is sending out request beacons too fast |
| 15:34:07 | wazlaf | however as i said it works great for the first 3-4 minutes ;) |
| 15:34:08 | hardwire | then again.. no more ping means BAD HUMANS! |
| 15:34:34 | wazlaf | hmm so what do you suggest? |
| 15:35:26 | wazlaf | is there any way to use the hostap drivers with the Z? |
| 15:35:37 | kergoth | um |
| 15:35:37 | wazlaf | that's what I am using on my laptop |
| 15:35:40 | kergoth | you are using hostap. |
| 15:35:52 | kergoth | the so called 'rism2' driver is a renamed hostap driver |
| 15:35:53 | wazlaf | err |
| 15:35:55 | kergoth | merged into the kernel tree |
| 15:35:57 | wazlaf | ok ;) |
| 15:36:00 | kergoth | following familiar's example |
| 15:36:07 | wazlaf | k |
| 15:36:15 | kergoth | so you're using the same driver as your laptop |
| 15:36:17 | kergoth | ineresting |
| 15:36:20 | kergoth | er |
| 15:36:25 | kergoth | there shouldve been a second t in that word |
| 15:36:28 | kergoth | i cant type today |
| 15:36:38 | hardwire | heh |
| 15:36:44 | hardwire | do this on the z |
| 15:36:50 | hardwire | iwlist wlan0 |
| 15:36:55 | hardwire | do the same thing on your laptop |
| 15:37:42 | hardwire | also /proc/net/prism2 on the pda |
| 15:37:48 | hardwire | and /proc/net/hostap on the laptop |
| 15:37:58 | wazlaf | damn now it's working again - give me 4 minutes ;) |
| 15:38:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:38:23 | hardwire | wazlaf what mode is the laptop in? |
| 15:38:31 | hardwire | master managed or ad-hoc? |
| 15:39:40 | wazlaf | hardwire: network type is infrastructure, my desktop is the AP and my laptop is in managed mode |
| 15:39:44 | wazlaf | all using hostap |
| 15:40:20 | hardwire | hmm |
| 15:40:29 | hardwire | you should do a quick test inbetween the laptop and pda in ad-hoc mode |
| 15:40:38 | hardwire | and then laptop and pda with laptop as master |
| 15:41:57 | wazlaf | hardwire: any reason to prefer the laptop as master? |
| 15:42:12 | hardwire | controlled environment |
| 15:42:13 | hardwire | heh |
| 15:42:23 | hardwire | you can actually look at *gasp* logs |
| 15:42:26 | wazlaf | :) |
| 15:42:28 | hardwire | vs the pda being master |
| 15:42:30 | hardwire | heh |
| 15:50:20 | noda | Moo! |
| 15:51:02 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 15:51:36 | numatrix | is back (gone 61:56:52) |
| 15:51:38 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 15:52:09 | umopapisdn | kergoth: You have any clues what could be the cause of patches not beeing applied when I build oz? |
| 15:52:39 | kergoth | umopapisdn: not off the top of my head |
| 15:52:50 | noda | Next problem with the build process! |
| 15:53:10 | noda | qte doesn't seem to want to compile. I get about 300 lines of "undefined reference"'s |
| 15:53:21 | kergoth | hm |
| 15:53:24 | kergoth | i get no problems building qte |
| 15:53:30 | kergoth | odd |
| 15:53:38 | noda | It's weird, I got farther than this before, but after a make mrproper I can't get past this spot. |
| 15:53:48 | noda | gcc -o ./moc mocgen.o qbuffer.o qcollection.o qcstring.o qdatastream.o qdatetime.o qfile.o qgarray.o qgdict.o qglist.o qglobal.o qgvector.o qiodevice.o qregexp.o qstring.o qtextcodec.o qtextstream.o qutfcodec.o qfile_unix.o -lm |
| 15:53:49 | umopapisdn | kergoth: hmm, it's odd because if I apply a patch manually it works. |
| 15:53:58 | kergoth | umopapisdn: which patch? |
| 15:54:08 | kergoth | noda: its failing to compile moc. something locally. |
| 15:54:12 | umopapisdn | noda: wrong compiler... you're using a 3.x compiler right? |
| 15:54:17 | kergoth | noda: its probably using 'gcc', which is probably 2.96 or 3.x |
| 15:54:18 | noda | A-HA. |
| 15:54:18 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:54:19 | kergoth | that |
| 15:54:20 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:54:25 | umopapisdn | kergoth: the one that I noticed was the one for qte. |
| 15:54:31 | noda | Yeah, I'm meant to use gcc-2.95.3 -- where was it I change the compiler? :) |
| 15:54:32 | noda | Which makefile? |
| 15:54:41 | kergoth | umopapisdn: which patch? we use a number of qt patches from the opie cvs |
| 15:54:48 | kergoth | noda: Vars.make, CC_FOR_BUILD |
| 15:55:11 | umopapisdn | kergoth: the one called qte-2.3.4.patch. I'm not sure if more patches doesn't get applied, but it seems like that. |
| 15:55:22 | noda | kergoth: Thanks :) |
| 15:55:43 | kergoth | umopapisdn: paste the output of the failed patch again |
| 15:55:53 | noda | Now I guess I have to do a make clean... not a make mrproper though, right? |
| 15:55:58 | umopapisdn | kergoth: there is no output that it failed. :) |
| 15:56:13 | kergoth | umopapisdn: ? |
| 15:56:25 | umopapisdn | kergoth: the Makefile just isn't patched. |
| 15:56:38 | noda | watches all that compiling go to waste :) |
| 15:56:51 | umopapisdn | kergoth: but I can do it manually and the patch works, just that the build doesn't apply it for some reason. |
| 15:56:54 | wazlaf | yay all of a sudden this seems to work |
| 15:57:47 | wazlaf | i don't get why but wo cares ;) |
| 16:05:05 | wazlaf | is there any way to have OZ execute the ifup wlan0 automatically? |
| 16:05:10 | hardwire | waffle! |
| 16:05:19 | kergoth | wazlaf: echo 'auto wlan0' >> /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:05:22 | kergoth | iirc |
| 16:05:32 | kergoth | wazlaf: it shoudl be doing it anyway |
| 16:05:38 | kergoth | wazlaf: unless you used the netsetup app |
| 16:05:52 | kergoth | wazlaf: but even that should do it, just not using ifup, but instaed using /etc/pcmcia/network |
| 16:06:03 | wazlaf | ah ok |
| 16:06:19 | kergoth | so it should all be done automatically on card insertion |
| 16:06:24 | wazlaf | i was using /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:06:41 | kergoth | if you set the ip in network.opts or used netsetup it wont use interfaces to configure |
| 16:06:52 | kergoth | it checks to see if those vars are defined in network.opts, and if not, falls back to ifupdown |
| 16:10:07 | cranch | Hello :) |
| 16:11:11 | wazlaf | ok great this works beautifully now - thanks a lot kergoth |
| 16:12:40 | kergoth | wazlaf: np |
| 16:12:41 | kergoth | hey cranch |
| 16:12:46 | kergoth | waits for /pester |
| 16:12:51 | cranch | haha |
| 16:12:57 | cranch | I'll leave you alone... |
| 16:12:58 | cranch | :P |
| 16:12:58 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:13:01 | cranch | stuff working any better? |
| 16:13:06 | kergoth | found out i get no raise this year |
| 16:13:12 | kergoth | nor does anyone else in the company.. but still |
| 16:13:14 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:13:23 | wazlaf | hmm should I enable Power Savings mode? |
| 16:13:24 | hardwire | kergoth: quit and be my roomate here in colorado |
| 16:13:31 | hardwire | and be poor with me |
| 16:13:42 | cranch | haha |
| 16:14:00 | cranch | You getting your OZ problems cleared up |
| 16:14:01 | cranch | ? |
| 16:14:03 | hardwire | just think how ironic that would actually be if you did win the huge entertainment system from OZ? |
| 16:15:44 | ljp_work | I see kergoth is spamming again |
| 16:16:47 | Onyx4 | kergoth: did you say that the opie compile problem in opie-login is fixed now? |
| 16:17:00 | Onyx4 | loginwindowimpl.cpp: In method `void LoginWindowImpl::keyPressEvent(QKeyEvent *)': |
| 16:17:00 | Onyx4 | loginwindowimpl.cpp:72: `HardKey_Suspend' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 16:17:15 | kergoth | Onyx4: what compile problem? |
| 16:17:18 | kergoth | Onyx4: i havent updated recently. |
| 16:17:31 | kergoth | smacks ljp_work with a sa1110 reference manual |
| 16:17:39 | kergoth | take that! |
| 16:17:47 | cranch | this monkey's gone to heaven |
| 16:17:51 | Onyx4 | ok cause it doesn't compile anymore... they did some check-in last 24 hrs for opie-login |
| 16:17:59 | kergoth | Onyx4: yeah, sandman added new functionality. report it. |
| 16:19:41 | Onyx4 | k he says it'll be fixed in about 6 hours |
| 16:19:49 | kergoth | k |
| 16:20:00 | kergoth | oh the fun of pulling things directly from cvs |
| 16:20:00 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:20:20 | cranch | cranch starts to pester Kergoth: new release coming soon? :P |
| 16:20:22 | cranch | haha |
| 16:20:40 | kergoth | damn, vacation over |
| 16:20:41 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:20:46 | cranch | haha |
| 16:20:57 | cranch | i was out of town all weekend, so I didn't get to bother you :P |
| 16:21:07 | cranch | I went to the ISU vs Nebraska game :P |
| 16:21:21 | kergoth | ah howd that go |
| 16:21:32 | cranch | ISU won....it was CRAZY |
| 16:21:39 | cranch | we stormed the field :P |
| 16:24:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:24:50 | kergoth | nice |
| 16:25:44 | cranch | I'm on the cover of the Sunday Des Moines register down on the field...its kinda like finding waldo though :P |
| 16:26:18 | wazlaf | hmm how do i enable ps mode? |
| 16:27:02 | kergoth | ps mode? |
| 16:27:19 | cranch | power save? |
| 16:27:25 | wazlaf | yes |
| 16:27:32 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:27:33 | cranch | you mean suspend? |
| 16:27:38 | kergoth | i dont understnad the question |
| 16:27:38 | wazlaf | no |
| 16:27:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:27:50 | wazlaf | on the prism card |
| 16:27:54 | kergoth | oh |
| 16:28:00 | kergoth | not sure, check the wireless-tools docs |
| 16:28:08 | wazlaf | ok |
| 16:30:20 | cranch | off to class..talk to you guys later |
| 16:42:45 | numatrix | mv: when moving multiple files, last argument must be a directory |
| 16:43:04 | numatrix | right after /data/devel/oz/buildroot-oz/build/ncurses-5.2.20020112a/libncurses5/lib/; |
| 16:43:23 | numatrix | nm |
| 16:44:19 | numatrix | Looks like a typo somewhere; buildroot-oz/build/ncurses-5.2.20020112a/lib does not exist, but liblib does. |
| 16:45:41 | numatrix | nevermind; wierd. Tried make again and suddenly it's working... |
| 16:46:27 | Onyx4 | good catch, we were trying to find where this "liblib" was coming from |
| 16:46:50 | Onyx4 | the ipkg of libncurses5 has this |
| 16:46:56 | Onyx4 | drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2002-09-27 12:57:29 ./liblib/ |
| 16:47:11 | numatrix | Yeah, I lied, it wasn't working the second time. |
| 16:47:16 | numatrix | So where is it... let's see... |
| 16:49:37 | Onyx4 | is this syntax correct? |
| 16:49:38 | Onyx4 | install -d $(SourceTree)/libncurses5/{lib,usr/}lib; |
| 16:50:17 | numatrix | That's probably the problem. What's it supposed to do? |
| 16:50:43 | Onyx4 | create a /libncurses5/lib /usr and /usr/lib directory |
| 16:50:57 | Onyx4 | so that this /libncurses5 will become the root of the ipk |
| 16:50:58 | numatrix | Onyx4: yeah, that's definitely problem, that's not right... |
| 16:51:22 | numatrix | Check this out: [jwiens@psifertex jwiens]$ echo libncurses5/{lib,usr/}lib; |
| 16:51:22 | numatrix | libncurses5/liblib libncurses5/usr/lib |
| 16:51:35 | Onyx4 | ha! |
| 16:51:47 | Onyx4 | there we go |
| 16:52:26 | numatrix | Onyx4: I'm still a little confused about where the files are supposed to install to... |
| 16:52:39 | Onyx4 | inside libncurses5/* |
| 16:52:46 | Onyx4 | then we ipk this as the root |
| 16:53:04 | Onyx4 | all we need to fix is that install statement to create the correct directories |
| 16:53:17 | Onyx4 | it needs to create usr/lib and lib |
| 16:53:29 | numatrix | ahhh; move the last lib inside the right bracket |
| 16:53:33 | numatrix | That's the problem then. |
| 16:53:45 | numatrix | [jwiens@psifertex jwiens]$ echo libncurses5/{lib,usr/lib}; |
| 16:53:45 | numatrix | libncurses5/lib libncurses5/usr/lib |
| 16:53:47 | numatrix | Like that? |
| 16:53:50 | Onyx4 | echo libncurses5/{lib,usr/lib} ; |
| 16:54:06 | Onyx4 | yeah I'll fix it |
| 16:54:11 | numatrix | cool |
| 16:55:37 | numatrix | is back (gone 01:04:00) |
| 16:55:38 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 16:57:30 | kergoth | hey, you found the liblib! |
| 16:57:32 | kergoth | nice |
| 16:57:33 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:57:56 | kergoth | fuck me |
| 16:58:00 | kergoth | our support site is fucking hosed |
| 16:58:06 | kergoth | because the processes were fucking stupid |
| 16:58:08 | kergoth | thanks MIS! |
| 16:58:31 | Onyx4 | so I pushed this and also my opie fix for custom.h, you'll need to opie clean so that the patch gets applied |
| 16:58:45 | Onyx4 | but note that opie does not compile atm , cvs is broken |
| 17:00:30 | ljp_work | where does it not compile? |
| 17:03:56 | Onyx4 | in opie-login |
| 17:04:01 | Onyx4 | I told sandman about it, he knows |
| 17:04:10 | Onyx4 | says it's gonna be fixed in about 6 hours |
| 17:04:26 | Onyx4 | loginwindowimpl.cpp: In method `void LoginWindowImpl::keyPressEvent(QKeyEvent *)': |
| 17:04:27 | Onyx4 | loginwindowimpl.cpp:72: `HardKey_Suspend' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 17:04:27 | Onyx4 | loginwindowimpl.cpp:72: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 17:04:27 | Onyx4 | loginwindowimpl.cpp:72: for each function it appears in.) |
| 17:04:27 | Onyx4 | loginwindowimpl.cpp:74: `HardKey_Backlight' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 17:04:27 | Onyx4 | loginwindowimpl.cpp:72: warning: unreachable code at beginning of switch statement |
| 17:11:50 | Onyx4 | how can I update stuff on the sf.net unstable feed? |
| 17:11:58 | Onyx4 | the opie-taskbar needs to be updated to solve the 100% cpu bug |
| 17:13:24 | Xentac | Onyx4: you know how to fix that bug...? |
| 17:13:50 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 17:13:57 | Xentac | cool |
| 17:14:06 | Onyx4 | just update opie-taskbar from a version from 29th and later |
| 17:14:11 | Onyx4 | it was fixed yesterday |
| 17:16:29 | Onyx4 | Xentac: so far I only have that in my feed |
| 17:17:56 | hardwire | kergoth have you tested rsync + ntpdate yet? |
| 17:32:17 | kergoth`food | Onyx4: I'm going to be doing official unstable feed updates nightly |
| 17:32:25 | kergoth`food | Onyx4: as to unofficial, just copy the ipk over and run ipkg-make-index on it |
| 17:32:36 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 17:32:38 | hardwire | hehehe |
| 17:32:57 | kergoth`food | hardwire: havent had a chance |
| 17:35:03 | hardwire | kergoth`food eat grub |
| 17:35:06 | hardwire | dude |
| 17:35:07 | hardwire | I am hungry |
| 17:35:08 | hardwire | wet |
| 17:35:10 | hardwire | and naked |
| 17:35:11 | kergoth`food | mm kfc |
| 17:35:13 | hardwire | this is no good |
| 17:35:15 | kergoth`food | man, i'm trying to eat here |
| 17:35:15 | kergoth`food | shit |
| 17:35:19 | hardwire | heh! |
| 17:36:05 | Onyx4 | kergoth`food: there is no mention of the atd trigger inside systemtime's code, is it supposed to touch the trigger? |
| 17:36:15 | kergoth`food | ? |
| 17:36:24 | Onyx4 | you know the app to set the time |
| 17:36:25 | kergoth`food | its global |
| 17:36:26 | kergoth`food | in the lib |
| 17:36:31 | Onyx4 | ha |
| 17:36:34 | Onyx4 | ok let me check |
| 17:36:37 | kergoth`food | systemtime just calls it |
| 17:36:56 | Onyx4 | in libopie? |
| 17:37:42 | Onyx4 | grep trigger returns nothing in libopie, except for alarmserver in opie/library |
| 17:38:11 | kergoth`food | its in alarmserver. |
| 17:38:14 | kergoth`food | libqpe, not libopie |
| 17:38:31 | Onyx4 | on my Z when I set the time, it touches a file in /var/spool/at/ called like 19892831.213 a long number with a . |
| 17:38:44 | kergoth`food | i think atd creates that |
| 17:38:46 | kergoth`food | heh |
| 17:38:57 | kergoth`food | dunno |
| 17:39:18 | Onyx4 | maybe I can strace atd when I set the time |
| 17:39:27 | Onyx4 | and I should see it react and free up rtc and take it back? |
| 17:39:32 | kergoth`food | or build it with debuggin symbols and attach to the process with gdb :) |
| 17:42:09 | Onyx4 | it's been a couple of people who told me that they'd like irda-applet as default in oz |
| 17:42:33 | kergoth`food | yes |
| 17:42:35 | kergoth`food | it used to be |
| 17:42:36 | kergoth`food | it should be |
| 17:42:38 | kergoth`food | add it |
| 17:42:55 | kergoth`food | kfc rocks |
| 17:43:01 | kergoth`food | i love their biscuits |
| 17:43:15 | Onyx4 | hehe greasy kfc |
| 17:43:20 | kergoth`food | yeh |
| 17:43:21 | kergoth`food | good tho |
| 17:43:28 | kergoth`food | doesnt eat as healthy as he should |
| 17:44:16 | hardwire | hmm |
| 17:44:23 | hardwire | I eat subway too much |
| 17:44:30 | hardwire | kinda fitting |
| 17:44:33 | hardwire | I work on submarines |
| 17:44:47 | kergoth`food | subway sucks, quiznos all the way |
| 17:44:51 | kergoth`food | or schlotzsky's |
| 17:44:52 | kergoth`food | :) |
| 17:45:12 | hardwire | I prefer subway over quiznos |
| 17:45:18 | hardwire | and schlotzsky's over both |
| 17:45:59 | kergoth`food | gotta love a huge ass regular deluxe original |
| 17:46:03 | kergoth`food | good shit |
| 17:49:34 | Onyx4 | so to make usb work the same as in the sharp rom, we would need to provide the busybox dhcp server? |
| 17:49:48 | kergoth`food | udhcps, i dont think busybox has a dhcp server atm |
| 17:49:52 | kergoth`food | and how would we configure it? |
| 17:49:58 | kergoth`food | sharp rom has an opt in netsetup |
| 17:50:02 | kergoth`food | but we'll use interfaces |
| 17:50:14 | hardwire | hmm |
| 17:50:14 | kergoth`food | so the question is, how to configure a dhcp daemon's ip assignment from interfaces |
| 17:50:21 | kergoth`food | which is the dillemma atm |
| 17:50:24 | kergoth`food | and why i havent bothered |
| 17:50:41 | hardwire | easy |
| 17:50:48 | hardwire | really easy |
| 17:50:56 | hardwire | i can do that |
| 17:51:06 | kergoth`food | go for it |
| 17:51:10 | kergoth`food | and fix var while you're at it |
| 17:51:11 | kergoth`food | :-P |
| 17:51:29 | hardwire | I won't be doing much for a week |
| 17:51:39 | hardwire | I have to get all my stuff in colorado done before going to anchorage |
| 17:51:49 | kergoth`food | oh fun |
| 17:51:55 | kergoth`food | you're going up there again? for what? |
| 17:51:59 | hardwire | well |
| 17:52:17 | hardwire | I need to VPN anchorage to part of the aleutian chain |
| 17:52:21 | hardwire | where they have a sat office |
| 17:52:32 | hardwire | the company they hired to do it |
| 17:52:35 | hardwire | told me linux sucks |
| 17:52:39 | kergoth`food | hah |
| 17:52:40 | hardwire | then installed linux firewalls |
| 17:52:49 | hardwire | and didn't know they had linux in them |
| 17:52:50 | kergoth`food | wtf |
| 17:52:52 | Onyx4 | hardwire: what company you work for |
| 17:52:53 | kergoth`food | lol |
| 17:52:55 | kergoth`food | stupid people. |
| 17:53:06 | hardwire | kergoth`food: specific brand of firewalls that run linux |
| 17:53:11 | kergoth`food | figured |
| 17:53:20 | hardwire | Onyx4: I am self employed.. but contract for a company in Anchorage named TDX |
| 17:53:29 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 17:53:54 | kergoth`food | hardwire: you have any pointers on finding contracts? I may start doing a bit of work on the side in case digi decides to can my ass |
| 17:54:06 | hardwire | kergoth`food just send me your resume |
| 17:54:27 | kergoth`food | hm, i should update it |
| 17:54:28 | kergoth`food | :) |
| 17:54:29 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:54:32 | hardwire | good idea |
| 17:54:35 | kergoth`food | its old as dirt |
| 17:54:41 | kergoth`food | which is pretty old |
| 17:54:47 | hardwire | bbl.. must make pretty of me |
| 17:54:48 | ljp_work | ands dirts fairly old |
| 17:54:53 | kergoth`food | hehe |
| 17:57:02 | numatrix | is back (gone 01:01:24) |
| 18:03:43 | scanline | is back (gone 08:34:18) |
| 18:04:36 | | oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make |
| 18:04:36 | Grez | ibot oz bk |
| 18:06:34 | Grez | is there a new version of oz due soon? |
| 18:07:59 | kergoth`food | yes, official 'testing' initrd.bin for the 2.9.6 testing cycle is due out after we finish fixing a couple issue |
| 18:08:13 | Grez | cool!!!! |
| 18:08:18 | kergoth`food | then once the test phase is under way, we'll see from the errors we find what the timeline is for the actual releas |
| 18:09:19 | Grez | willit be avaliable for download during testing? I.E. i'll test it if you need testers.. |
| 18:10:29 | kergoth | Grez: yep. theres an unofficial intird.bin available now |
| 18:10:41 | kergoth | Grez: just not an official one, i want a few things fixed before thats avail |
| 18:10:49 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.sf.net/unofficial |
| 18:11:49 | numatrix | Cool. How does it run? It seems that oz is currently a tad bit slower than the sharp rom in responsiveness... |
| 18:11:59 | kergoth | numatrix: i hadnt heard that |
| 18:12:03 | numatrix | Maybe it's just me. |
| 18:12:10 | kergoth | hm, dunno |
| 18:12:15 | Onyx4 | numatrix: even the optimized one? |
| 18:12:20 | kergoth | i havent *used* mine for normal things in quite some time |
| 18:12:21 | numatrix | Another guy in the office just got a z a few days ago, running sharp. Let me compare with him. |
| 18:12:31 | kergoth | thats a good idea |
| 18:12:34 | kergoth | what theme, also? |
| 18:12:38 | kergoth | liquid slows down redraw quite a bit |
| 18:13:05 | numatrix | kergoth: Not liquid. |
| 18:13:11 | kergoth | good |
| 18:13:13 | kergoth | just checking :) |
| 18:13:14 | numatrix | kergoth: I changed the font and colors and that's it. |
| 18:13:25 | numatrix | kergoth: No problem, yeah, I know how that can cause trouble. |
| 18:13:39 | MSpin | kergoth: was there going to be a new kernel with this release? |
| 18:13:40 | Onyx4 | numatrix: you are testing with the optimized version or not? |
| 18:13:51 | kergoth | MSpin: i'm delaying that. havent had time to work on it. |
| 18:13:53 | numatrix | Onyx4: non-optimized so far. I'm building an optimized one now. |
| 18:14:00 | MSpin | kergoth: ok, just curious |
| 18:14:30 | Onyx4 | numatrix: I think opie cvs does not compile today, it'll be fixed later tough, not sure |
| 18:14:31 | numatrix | Argh. Can't get ncurses to work. No more liblib error, but now: mv: cannot stat `/data/devel/oz/buildroot-oz/build/ncurses-5.2.20020112a/ncurses-base/usr/share/terminfo': No such file or directory |
| 18:14:34 | Onyx4 | let me know if it does compile |
| 18:21:47 | wazlaf | konq/e gives me Bus Errors with the current OZ beta |
| 18:22:17 | Onyx4 | the one I use still works strange |
| 18:22:40 | Onyx4 | but I used it for like 5 minutes, so it bus error at startup or during use? |
| 18:22:53 | wazlaf | Onyx4: from which feed? |
| 18:22:58 | wazlaf | on startup |
| 18:23:17 | wazlaf | and yes the ipks are complete ;) |
| 18:23:17 | Onyx4 | wazlaf: it was the recent one named like full-snapshot in the ipk, but it's no longer in the sf.net OZ feed |
| 18:23:52 | Onyx4 | we need to have someone that will convert it so that it compiles for OZ |
| 18:24:30 | kergoth | adding konq/e wont be fun |
| 18:24:31 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:24:38 | kergoth | we need to pester groucho, he does the konq builds |
| 18:24:52 | wazlaf | Onyx4: this one? http://bolug.uni-bonn.de/files/konq-e |
| 18:25:08 | kergoth | wazlaf: use the one on the opie.info feed |
| 18:25:17 | kergoth | wazlaf: http://opie.info/ click on the feed link |
| 18:25:19 | | hmmm... opie feed is http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq or newer on http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/ or at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ or http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/zaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org |
| 18:25:19 | kergoth | ibot opie feed |
| 18:25:23 | kergoth | there it is |
| 18:25:26 | wazlaf | thanks |
| 18:25:26 | kergoth | the 131.152 link |
| 18:25:28 | kergoth | np |
| 18:25:37 | kergoth | fyyi, dont install anything else from there |
| 18:25:38 | kergoth | just wget konq |
| 18:25:39 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:26:07 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:26:13 | wazlaf | k :) |
| 18:26:25 | hardwire | hmorphs |
| 18:26:30 | hardwire | say that out loud |
| 18:31:10 | hardwire | actually |
| 18:31:18 | hardwire | can you run konq on the new initrd kergoth ? |
| 18:31:46 | Onyx4 | I can |
| 18:32:04 | hardwire | hmm |
| 18:32:05 | wazlaf | hmm is new aqpkg any good? |
| 18:32:06 | hardwire | last line in strace |
| 18:32:07 | hardwire | open("/usr/local/qt-embedded/lib/fonts/fontdir", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 18:32:07 | hardwire | _exit(1) = ? |
| 18:33:10 | hardwire | actually |
| 18:33:13 | hardwire | I can't run anything |
| 18:33:13 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:33:18 | hardwire | reboots |
| 18:34:46 | wazlaf | has to restart opie.. |
| 18:34:56 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:34:56 | hardwire | woot |
| 18:35:02 | hardwire | # konqueror |
| 18:35:04 | hardwire | Bus Error |
| 18:36:09 | hardwire | tries toe wox full konq distro |
| 18:36:14 | hardwire | the |
| 18:36:14 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:38:51 | Onyx4 | I emailed groucho to ask him how he does the build |
| 18:39:10 | Onyx4 | aqpkg is not bad, worked well for me, but I had to know what I was doing |
| 18:39:27 | Onyx4 | eg, it doesn't tell you where current packages are installed, and by default installs all the selected package to one same destination |
| 18:40:02 | Onyx4 | so if you do one batch for all packages to root, then for SD, it works ok |
| 18:42:26 | LordVan | is away: zzzzzzZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz.......... |
| 18:44:19 | scanline | is away: class |
| 19:01:59 | | wish i knew, scan[ibook] |
| 19:01:59 | scan[ibook] | ibot: kergoth pizza fund? |
| 19:02:57 | hardwire | I am just gonna set up a paypal account :) and pizza money goes in there.. then kergoth can just hit an order pizza button |
| 19:02:58 | hardwire | haha |
| 19:03:10 | hardwire | lets get him all fat so he doesn't leave |
| 19:03:43 | scan[ibook] | donates some Domino's Cheesy Bread |
| 19:03:53 | hardwire | ewwww! |
| 19:03:58 | hardwire | papa jophns cheeze bread |
| 19:03:59 | hardwire | nummers! |
| 19:04:05 | scan[ibook] | haven't tried that |
| 19:04:09 | hardwire | mmmm |
| 19:04:14 | hardwire | you never want anything else |
| 19:04:20 | hardwire | just cheesy bread |
| 19:04:33 | kergoth | papa johns rocks. |
| 19:04:38 | scan[ibook] | we usually get dominos because they deliver until 3 AM and they have good cupons :) |
| 19:04:39 | hardwire | one of my friends is gonna go work for them |
| 19:04:45 | hardwire | I have a feeling they are gonna be by often |
| 19:05:51 | scan[ibook] | I wonder if Smartdata is still planning on paying me... I could buy expensive pizza! |
| 19:06:04 | nadav | hm |
| 19:06:24 | nadav | i can't seem to get my CF card to format |
| 19:06:31 | nadav | tried deleting the partition and recreating it, doesn't work |
| 19:06:33 | hardwire | scan[ibook] w/ coupons |
| 19:06:42 | hardwire | 10.99 gives me a large papa johns w a 2 liter of coke |
| 19:07:11 | scan[ibook] | I can get a large one topping dominos for I think $6.31 |
| 19:07:22 | hardwire | but |
| 19:07:22 | scan[ibook] | add $1 for the coke :) |
| 19:07:24 | hardwire | its not gooood |
| 19:07:45 | scan[ibook] | I had papa johns last week, it was pretty tasty |
| 19:07:55 | scan[ibook] | I'll have to get some next time we get pizza |
| 19:07:56 | hardwire | dominos has never agreed w/ me |
| 19:08:07 | hardwire | I order papajohns about 10 times a month |
| 19:08:08 | hardwire | haha |
| 19:08:09 | scan[ibook] | man.. all this pizza talk is making me hungry |
| 19:08:15 | hardwire | I spend $100 a month on pizza |
| 19:08:18 | scan[ibook] | I woke up too late and didn't have time to get lunch before class |
| 19:08:48 | hardwire | doh |
| 19:08:52 | hardwire | you are in class now? |
| 19:08:55 | scan[ibook] | yeah |
| 19:08:57 | hardwire | |
| 19:08:59 | hardwire | :) |
| 19:09:12 | scan[ibook] | almost all my classrooms have 802.11 :) |
| 19:09:15 | nadav | heh |
| 19:09:30 | hardwire | all of Colorado State University is under 802.11b |
| 19:09:35 | hardwire | and its easy to get into |
| 19:09:41 | scan[ibook] | cool |
| 19:09:43 | hardwire | its originally for paying students and teachers |
| 19:09:49 | hardwire | I wish it were free |
| 19:10:00 | hardwire | unfortunatly.. they are too spread out and wanted outdoors 802.11b |
| 19:10:03 | scan[ibook] | here it's free, but mostly only in the engineering center |
| 19:10:16 | hardwire | so I think they installed something to stop all of the people around CSU from using them as a free isp |
| 19:10:16 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:10:25 | scan[ibook] | sometimes I get a weak signal over by the psychology building |
| 19:10:34 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 19:27:17 | numatrix | much of my of UF is covered too. Quite handy. (map of coverage: http://net-services.ufl.edu/provided_services/wireless/map.html) |
| 19:31:57 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 19:32:01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you here? |
| 19:33:11 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 19:35:13 | ljp_ | he's busy in the land of Oz |
| 19:35:23 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 19:35:23 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:35:52 | hardwire | grr! |
| 19:36:04 | hardwire | TheMasterMind1: kergoth is not a sock puppet |
| 19:36:10 | hardwire | I tried that once and I got dirty and bruised |
| 19:37:45 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 19:37:48 | hardwire | nm |
| 19:37:48 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:37:57 | nadav | does opie-rotation have an icon? |
| 19:38:55 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 19:38:57 | TheMasterMind1 | under stettings |
| 19:39:19 | nadav | weird |
| 19:39:22 | nadav | it's not there |
| 19:39:31 | nadav | i installed using ipkg install -d cf |
| 19:42:31 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 19:42:33 | TheMasterMind1 | beh |
| 19:42:35 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg = shit |
| 19:42:38 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't symlink |
| 19:42:41 | TheMasterMind1 | do |
| 19:42:42 | nadav | ah. |
| 19:42:45 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg-link |
| 19:42:46 | TheMasterMind1 | run that |
| 19:42:49 | TheMasterMind1 | it wil give you help |
| 19:42:55 | nadav | ok |
| 19:42:59 | Onyx4 | is that a new command? |
| 19:43:03 | TheMasterMind1 | i think its ipkg-link add opie-rotation |
| 19:43:09 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: its a script i added to oz-base |
| 19:43:14 | nadav | i ran it manually, now i can't start terminal to start it so i can go back to normal :P |
| 19:43:15 | TheMasterMind1 | i forget who wrote it |
| 19:43:19 | nadav | ah. |
| 19:43:20 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:43:36 | nadav | grr |
| 19:43:42 | nadav | wonder why terminal won't start |
| 19:43:57 | hardwire | reboot |
| 19:44:07 | nadav | will do. |
| 19:44:13 | nadav | there. |
| 19:44:19 | nadav | heh |
| 19:44:29 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: you there? |
| 19:44:57 | nadav | ugh i really have to clean my screen |
| 19:48:05 | nadav | what's the name of the image viewer? |
| 19:48:20 | Onyx4 | showimg |
| 19:48:43 | nadav | ah |
| 19:48:43 | nadav | thanks |
| 19:49:06 | TheMasterMind1 | beats kismet with a big stick |
| 19:49:47 | nadav | is there something like opie-sheet that can open word documents? (other than hancom..) |
| 19:50:00 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't think so |
| 19:50:18 | nadav | ok. |
| 19:50:25 | Onyx4 | but the handcom creator should work on OZ |
| 19:50:33 | nadav | so the best thing to do is install qpe-base and run hancom? |
| 19:50:34 | Onyx4 | meaning that the handom ipk ripped from sharp rom should work |
| 19:50:42 | TheMasterMind1 | you don't need qpe-base |
| 19:50:48 | Onyx4 | you don't need qpe-base, just overwrite the conflict |
| 19:50:48 | nadav | uh |
| 19:50:51 | Onyx4 | with -force-depends |
| 19:50:51 | nadav | oh. |
| 19:50:51 | TheMasterMind1 | opie provides qpe-base |
| 19:50:52 | nadav | ok |
| 19:50:59 | nadav | didn't know about -force-depends |
| 19:52:16 | scan[ibook] | TheMasterMind1: I'm here |
| 19:52:31 | TheMasterMind1 | scan[ibook]: me want games |
| 19:52:50 | scan[ibook] | gives TheMasterMind1 a game |
| 19:53:10 | TheMasterMind1 | scumvm stuff :) |
| 19:53:16 | scan[ibook] | ah, ok |
| 19:53:20 | scan[ibook] | fetches today's URL |
| 19:53:41 | scan[ibook] | https://navi.picogui.org:3000/public.bee0/oldgames/scumm/ |
| 19:54:23 | scan[ibook] | it will expire in 9 hours |
| 19:54:49 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
| 19:55:02 | scan[ibook] | np |
| 19:56:28 | TheMasterMind1 | You don't have permission to access /public.bee0/oldgames/scumm/loomcd.zip on this server. |
| 19:56:29 | TheMasterMind1 | :( |
| 19:56:34 | scan[ibook] | fix |
| 19:56:49 | scan[ibook] | try it now |
| 19:57:05 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 19:57:06 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
| 19:58:03 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't get whats up with this stupid kismet thing |
| 19:58:07 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 19:58:09 | TheMasterMind1 | so hows picogui going |
| 19:58:50 | scan[ibook] | the OZ packages are working |
| 19:59:10 | hardwire | well stated |
| 19:59:31 | scan[ibook] | still plenty of bugs to fix.. but it's sort of usable in some ways |
| 19:59:34 | hardwire | I should thro pcogui on my the Z |
| 19:59:39 | hardwire | I have opie and X on there |
| 19:59:41 | hardwire | might as well add another |
| 19:59:42 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:59:47 | scan[ibook] | :) |
| 19:59:57 | scan[ibook] | anyone want my changes to buildroot? |
| 20:00:04 | hardwire | I will take them |
| 20:00:06 | scan[ibook] | is still a bk newbie |
| 20:00:13 | hardwire | shane@bogomip.com |
| 20:00:26 | hardwire | no diffs |
| 20:00:26 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:00:31 | hardwire | just gimme the piccogui dirs |
| 20:00:49 | scan[ibook] | I also added lines to packages/config.in and packages/Makefile |
| 20:00:55 | hardwire | ok |
| 20:01:02 | hardwire | thats why I didn't want diffs |
| 20:01:05 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:01:06 | scan[ibook] | you just want me to send those files? |
| 20:01:07 | hardwire | gimme those too |
| 20:01:13 | scan[ibook] | k |
| 20:02:11 | hardwire | the new solbiancas.. is a little like.. if disney and penthouse ganged up and made a scifi space anime |
| 20:02:31 | hardwire | and it was all fanfic |
| 20:02:31 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:02:31 | scan[ibook] | ok, sent |
| 20:02:35 | hardwire | ok |
| 20:02:36 | scan[ibook] | haha |
| 20:02:55 | TheMasterMind1 | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhh |
| 20:03:00 | hardwire | ahoy! |
| 20:03:06 | scan[ibook] | I think I got everything.. should just be able to make xconfig, turn on libpng3 and picogui, and compile away |
| 20:03:08 | hardwire | butt pirates off the bow! |
| 20:03:13 | hardwire | retreat! |
| 20:03:21 | scan[ibook] | AFAIK all the remaining bugs can be fixed in picogui CVS |
| 20:03:31 | hardwire | it pulls from cvs then |
| 20:03:35 | scan[ibook] | yep |
| 20:03:46 | hardwire | groov |
| 20:03:52 | TheMasterMind1 | really? |
| 20:03:54 | TheMasterMind1 | you fixed bugs? |
| 20:04:09 | scan[ibook] | TheMasterMind1: there is a bug tracker for picogui ya know... |
| 20:04:13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:04:24 | TheMasterMind1 | bug tracker a.k.a scanline |
| 20:04:26 | hardwire | you left out the config.in and Makefile |
| 20:04:30 | hardwire | for packages/ |
| 20:04:40 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:04:56 | scan[ibook] | no, they're in there |
| 20:05:06 | scan[ibook] | I just untarred the one I sent you... |
| 20:05:10 | hardwire | oooh |
| 20:05:11 | hardwire | haha |
| 20:05:17 | hardwire | no |
| 20:05:21 | hardwire | I am skoking the crack |
| 20:05:27 | hardwire | gets embarassed |
| 20:05:29 | hardwire | yeah |
| 20:05:31 | hardwire | skoking |
| 20:05:32 | scan[ibook] | hehe, np |
| 20:06:36 | scan[ibook] | a lot of stuff still doesn't work |
| 20:06:44 | scan[ibook] | xchat is broke because of bugs in the textbox widget |
| 20:06:57 | scan[ibook] | sometimes the launcher will make pgserver segfault |
| 20:07:13 | scan[ibook] | I'll get all that fixed by the 0.42 release of picogui, and make some ipks then |
| 20:08:53 | scan[ibook] | hm.. so when will we have X packages in OZ buildroot? :) |
| 20:09:04 | Onyx4 | do nes games work on zaurus? |
| 20:09:14 | kergoth | scan[ibook]: pester prpplague |
| 20:09:23 | scan[ibook] | Onyx4: yes |
| 20:09:36 | scan[ibook] | kergoth: ah right.. I forgot he was supposed to be working on that |
| 20:09:55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ! |
| 20:10:01 | TheMasterMind1 | checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 20:10:01 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: *** [/zaurus/buildroot/stamps/.kismet.binary] Error 77 |
| 20:10:01 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/zaurus/buildroot/packages/kismet' |
| 20:10:19 | TheMasterMind1 | via shell... |
| 20:10:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no time to assist, i'm working |
| 20:10:22 | TheMasterMind1 | checking for C compiler default output... a.out |
| 20:10:22 | TheMasterMind1 | checking whether the C compiler works... yes |
| 20:10:23 | TheMasterMind1 | checking whether we are cross compiling... yes |
| 20:10:26 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:10:26 | kergoth | check this shit |
| 20:11:40 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 20:11:50 | TheMasterMind1 | tell me where to look for causes of errors |
| 20:11:59 | TheMasterMind1 | i tried CC= |
| 20:12:00 | scan[ibook] | TheMasterMind1: config.log |
| 20:12:01 | TheMasterMind1 | didn't help |
| 20:12:15 | Onyx4 | scanline: with what do you run them (nes games) on Z? |
| 20:12:23 | scan[ibook] | Onyx4: an emulator :P |
| 20:12:29 | Onyx4 | yes but which one heh |
| 20:12:45 | scan[ibook] | one that runs on linux and isn't x86-only |
| 20:13:07 | Onyx4 | that's a hint.... how about snes games? |
| 20:13:15 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 20:13:15 | scan[ibook] | one that runs on linux and isn't x86-only |
| 20:13:18 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks scan[ibook] |
| 20:13:19 | TheMasterMind1 | that did it |
| 20:13:20 | TheMasterMind1 | :DD |
| 20:13:22 | kergoth | i'm the only person here on the unix side |
| 20:13:22 | kergoth | out of 6 techs |
| 20:13:22 | kergoth | so i'm a bit busy atm |
| 20:13:29 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:13:29 | scan[ibook] | kergoth: good luck |
| 20:13:29 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 20:13:34 | scan[ibook] | TheMasterMind1: no problem |
| 20:13:46 | TheMasterMind1 | looks for the ncurses dev stuff |
| 20:13:57 | scan[ibook] | Onyx4: I've tried snes9x.. it works but could use optimization |
| 20:14:10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: what ncurses dev stuff? |
| 20:14:35 | scan[ibook] | Onyx4: I want to get around to porting snes9x to picogui and optimizing for ARM, but I have more important things to do now |
| 20:14:47 | Onyx4 | scan[ibook]: ok and the nes emulator did you took it from zsi or you compiled it yourself? |
| 20:15:05 | scan[ibook] | never used zsi :) |
| 20:15:11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: it symlinks curses.h but that's not in the root of ncurses source anymore |
| 20:15:17 | scan[ibook] | this was all stuff I was playing with from Intimate |
| 20:15:17 | TheMasterMind1 | i found it though, its in include/ |
| 20:15:22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: huh? |
| 20:15:29 | TheMasterMind1 | nm. i have it figured out |
| 20:15:30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: curses.h is a link to ncurses.h |
| 20:15:34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ncurses.h exists. |
| 20:15:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:16:04 | TheMasterMind1 | nope, its not there |
| 20:16:11 | TheMasterMind1 | that's what i meant, ncurses.h |
| 20:17:04 | kergoth | ncurses.h exists |
| 20:17:06 | TheMasterMind1 | just ignore me :) |
| 20:17:07 | TheMasterMind1 | i figured it out |
| 20:17:14 | TheMasterMind1 | go tech support stuff |
| 20:17:33 | scan[ibook] | verbing... |
| 20:17:38 | scan[ibook] | techsupportification! |
| 20:17:55 | scan[ibook] | I'll techsupportify you! |
| 20:18:24 | TheMasterMind1 | ln -s curses.h $(BUILD_DIR)/ncurses-$(NCURSES_VERSION)/include/ncurses.h |
| 20:18:28 | TheMasterMind1 | isn't that backwards? |
| 20:19:40 | kergoth | um, yeah |
| 20:19:40 | hardwire | well |
| 20:19:50 | kergoth | dunno |
| 20:19:51 | hardwire | isn't always a matter of what you want to do :) |
| 20:19:58 | kergoth | why are we creating a link the ncurses build dir? |
| 20:20:08 | kergoth | we shoudl be linking curses.h to ncurses.h in staging and in its ipk, i'd say |
| 20:20:15 | hardwire | i'd say! |
| 20:20:21 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:20:32 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yea, its backwards.. thats how it was in the old makefile |
| 20:20:35 | TheMasterMind1 | wonder why |
| 20:20:44 | hardwire | old == backwards |
| 20:21:30 | kergoth | old makefile? |
| 20:21:32 | scan[ibook] | hardwire: oh yeah.. that tarball I sent you still had my "Makefile-old"s in it, you probably want to nuke those before pushing it into the bk tree |
| 20:21:33 | hardwire | I don't get along well with vulcans |
| 20:21:35 | kergoth | who cares how it used to be |
| 20:21:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:21:47 | hardwire | scan[ibook] they are toasted |
| 20:21:53 | kergoth | hardwire: not even the hot vulcan from enterprise? |
| 20:22:01 | kergoth | hardwire: i bet youd get along well with her |
| 20:22:03 | kergoth | hehh |
| 20:22:03 | scan[ibook] | mmm toasty |
| 20:22:19 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 20:23:03 | scan[ibook] | hmm.. microsoft is holding some kind of cult meeting here |
| 20:23:45 | scan[ibook] | "Want to learn about the .NET framework and c#? Come to a tech talk for more info, FREE PIZZA, and an opportunity to get free MS development software. Wednesday Oct 2nd, 6:00 PM ECCR 150" |
| 20:23:54 | noda | lol |
| 20:24:06 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:24:09 | kergoth | bribing you with pizza |
| 20:24:09 | noda | A little desperate, eh :) |
| 20:24:11 | kergoth | fuckers |
| 20:24:13 | scan[ibook] | yeah |
| 20:24:19 | hardwire | gets grumpy at bk |
| 20:24:25 | scan[ibook] | I should go just to steal their pizza.. maybe I'll wear a linux shirt |
| 20:24:32 | kergoth | do it |
| 20:24:33 | hardwire | haha |
| 20:24:36 | kergoth | thatd be fun |
| 20:24:38 | kergoth | crash the party!@#% |
| 20:24:39 | noda | lol, something from ThinkGeek :) |
| 20:24:39 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:24:41 | scan[ibook] | :) |
| 20:24:50 | scan[ibook] | I need to make a "Real geeks use printf" shirt |
| 20:24:54 | kergoth | "Bow before me, for I am root" |
| 20:24:58 | kergoth | scan[ibook]: thatd be nifty |
| 20:25:04 | noda | Best shirt has to be "Got root?" |
| 20:25:07 | Onyx4 | heh nishi makes me laugh, he's so confused |
| 20:25:35 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: where are the libncurses libs at? |
| 20:25:42 | TheMasterMind1 | checking for initscr in -lncurses... no |
| 20:25:42 | TheMasterMind1 | configure: WARNING: Unable to find libncurses |
| 20:25:42 | TheMasterMind1 | checking for initscr in -lcurses... no |
| 20:25:42 | TheMasterMind1 | configure: error: Unable to find libncurses or libcurses |
| 20:25:59 | TheMasterMind1 | not in staging apparently |
| 20:26:10 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:26:13 | kergoth | just because configure didnt find them |
| 20:26:16 | kergoth | doesnt mean they arent there |
| 20:26:22 | kergoth | ls -l output/staging/usr/lib/libncurses* |
| 20:26:49 | TheMasterMind1 | i looked already |
| 20:26:51 | TheMasterMind1 | they're not there |
| 20:26:55 | kergoth | then you didnt build ncurses |
| 20:27:19 | TheMasterMind1 | $(stamp-staginginstall): $(stamp-binary) |
| 20:27:19 | TheMasterMind1 | touch $@ |
| 20:27:23 | TheMasterMind1 | in ncurses |
| 20:27:35 | kergoth | bah, knew i forgot something |
| 20:27:44 | kergoth | copy & paste all the rootinstall commands from all the ipk builds into there |
| 20:27:51 | kergoth | and s/IPKTMP_DIR/STAGING_DIR/ |
| 20:27:53 | kergoth | then done |
| 20:27:57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm k |
| 20:28:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:28:28 | TheMasterMind1 | cp -a $(SourceTree)/libncurses5/* $(IPKTMP_DIR)/; |
| 20:28:29 | TheMasterMind1 | that? |
| 20:28:34 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:28:37 | kergoth | yes |
| 20:28:56 | kergoth | you'll want to grab $(SourceTree)/include/* as well |
| 20:28:57 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 20:28:59 | kergoth | into usr/include in staging |
| 20:30:23 | hardwire | fuckaduck |
| 20:30:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:30:34 | kergoth | problems? |
| 20:30:41 | hardwire | fixing them |
| 20:32:31 | hardwire | I need more beers before I have to go set up a vpn |
| 20:32:36 | hardwire | more beers! |
| 20:32:41 | hardwire | anybody set up a doze vpn? |
| 20:33:01 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:33:04 | TheMasterMind1 | someone did |
| 20:33:09 | TheMasterMind1 | who added vtun? |
| 20:33:39 | hardwire | me |
| 20:33:42 | TheMasterMind1 | recompiles ncurses |
| 20:33:52 | TheMasterMind1 | we need a make SUBDIRS=packages/package something that doesn't remove sources |
| 20:33:54 | hardwire | I keep adding lots of stuff |
| 20:33:54 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:33:56 | TheMasterMind1 | rebuild maybe |
| 20:34:04 | TheMasterMind1 | add mysql |
| 20:34:13 | TheMasterMind1 | it should compile from debian arm mysql sources |
| 20:34:24 | TheMasterMind1 | i talked to the guy who did the ipks on zsi |
| 20:35:00 | TheMasterMind1 | maximum uptime on a windows box = 49.71 days |
| 20:35:47 | hardwire | wow |
| 20:35:52 | hardwire | gives you a bucket for all this info |
| 20:36:51 | hardwire | scanline you have a host dep |
| 20:36:54 | hardwire | themec |
| 20:37:08 | hardwire | it won't make pg-theme-cvs ipks w/o it |
| 20:37:33 | hardwire | nothing in build/pg-themes-cvs/themec/ |
| 20:37:43 | hardwire | a CVS dir :) |
| 20:38:06 | zoner | 1 |
| 20:38:15 | hardwire | yup |
| 20:39:44 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:39:47 | TheMasterMind1 | that didn't work either |
| 20:39:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ponder |
| 20:39:52 | TheMasterMind1 | s |
| 20:40:47 | TheMasterMind1 | what does -lncurses or -lcurses look for |
| 20:40:55 | hardwire | libcurses |
| 20:41:00 | hardwire | libncurses |
| 20:41:36 | TheMasterMind1 | arsenic:/zaurus/buildroot# arm-linux-ld -Loutput/staging/lib/ -lncurses |
| 20:41:37 | TheMasterMind1 | arm-linux-ld: cannot find -lncurses |
| 20:41:45 | TheMasterMind1 | why doesn't that work |
| 20:41:57 | TheMasterMind1 | arsenic:/zaurus/buildroot# ls output/staging/lib/libncurses.so.5* |
| 20:41:57 | TheMasterMind1 | output/staging/lib/libncurses.so.5 output/staging/lib/libncurses.so.5.2 |
| 20:42:09 | hardwire | hmm |
| 20:42:16 | TheMasterMind1 | does it want just an .so |
| 20:42:24 | hardwire | dunno |
| 20:42:29 | hardwire | try linking to a .so |
| 20:42:37 | TheMasterMind1 | tried |
| 20:42:39 | TheMasterMind1 | didn't work |
| 20:42:42 | hardwire | then |
| 20:42:43 | hardwire | wow |
| 20:42:46 | hardwire | I dunno! |
| 20:42:52 | hardwire | is shocked and amazed |
| 20:43:15 | TheMasterMind1 | ah wait |
| 20:43:19 | | it has been said that onyx4 is one of the OpenZaurus developpers and also maintains zmencoder (see zmencoder). |
| 20:43:19 | fatbum | ibot onyx4 |
| 20:43:23 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid ln and full paths |
| 20:43:30 | | fatbum: huh? |
| 20:43:30 | fatbum | ibot optimized |
| 20:43:31 | TheMasterMind1 | arsenic:/zaurus/buildroot# arm-linux-ld -Loutput/staging/lib/ -lncurses |
| 20:43:31 | TheMasterMind1 | arm-linux-ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 0000825c |
| 20:43:34 | TheMasterMind1 | progress i guess? |
| 20:44:50 | | OK, TheMasterMind1. |
| 20:44:50 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot optimized is new fully optmized opie/qte oz release at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ or update from the feed (tested from 2.9.5.5) http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ |
| 20:45:08 | noda | Has anybody tested upgrading to optimized via the feed? |
| 20:45:20 | Onyx4 | noda I did on mine |
| 20:45:30 | noda | Onyx4: And it's working fine? :) |
| 20:45:43 | Onyx4 | noda: but I also upgraded a couple of times before from the official feed like 3 weeks ago |
| 20:46:01 | noda | Yeah, so have I. |
| 20:46:14 | Onyx4 | yes it's working fine, I had a few issues upgrading when it would drop me out of opie and had to start again and continue but I finished it |
| 20:46:19 | noda | I try to stay within 5 days of completely-up-to-date. |
| 20:46:27 | noda | Okay, that's normal I guess. |
| 20:47:03 | hardwire | bb in a few hours |
| 20:47:16 | scanline | is back (gone 02:02:57) |
| 20:47:44 | hardwire | bah.. I just got done messaging you scanline |
| 20:47:46 | hardwire | bastard |
| 20:47:48 | hardwire | heads off |
| 20:48:24 | scanline | ahhmm... |
| 20:48:54 | nadav | back. |
| 20:49:19 | nadav | what's the simplest way to change my cf card into ext2? |
| 20:49:42 | Onyx4 | umount /mnt/cf |
| 20:49:47 | Onyx4 | mkfs.ext2 /dev/hda1 |
| 20:49:49 | Onyx4 | mount /mnt/cf |
| 20:49:50 | nadav | ah |
| 20:50:05 | nadav | that erases everything, right? |
| 20:50:09 | Onyx4 | it does |
| 20:50:15 | nadav | ok |
| 20:51:03 | Onyx4 | as we found out, you don't really need to run fdisk |
| 20:51:12 | Onyx4 | it should detect it as ext2 |
| 20:51:15 | Onyx4 | did it work |
| 20:52:02 | nadav | might as well wait a bit |
| 20:52:15 | nadav | too lazy to back stuff up :P |
| 20:52:28 | noda | nadav: Heh, that's a sure sign something will go wrong :) |
| 20:52:41 | nadav | heh |
| 20:56:39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:56:45 | TheMasterMind1 | libpcap uses $(AUTOCONF) |
| 20:57:33 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:57:34 | kergoth | as well it should |
| 20:57:45 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 20:57:49 | kergoth | re |
| 20:57:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:58:22 | Dessimat0r | http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?OpenZaurus - whats up with this? |
| 20:58:26 | Dessimat0r | Picard is on the page |
| 20:58:30 | kergoth | huh? |
| 20:58:42 | kergoth | er |
| 20:58:43 | kergoth | wtf |
| 20:59:04 | Dessimat0r | I've just noticed it now |
| 20:59:05 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: that page isnt a locked wiki page |
| 20:59:08 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: anyone can alter it |
| 20:59:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:59:12 | Dessimat0r | oh |
| 20:59:13 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:59:13 | kergoth | so someone fucked with it |
| 20:59:25 | TheMasterMind1 | fuckers |
| 20:59:26 | Dessimat0r | lol @ it |
| 20:59:58 | TheMasterMind1 | someone add the optimized build link to it :) |
| 21:00:28 | TheMasterMind1 | /zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/include/bits/in.h:69: ANSI C++ forbids data member `ip_opts' with same name as enclosing class |
| 21:00:30 | TheMasterMind1 | joy :) |
| 21:00:47 | kergoth | hah, i remember that |
| 21:00:49 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:01:40 | TheMasterMind1 | easily fixed |
| 21:03:12 | scanline | takes a screenshot of the wiki page |
| 21:03:53 | TheMasterMind1 | arsenic:/zaurus/buildroot/build/ncurses-5.2.20020112a# find . | grep ncurses.h |
| 21:03:54 | TheMasterMind1 | ./installtemp/usr/include/ncurses.h |
| 21:03:58 | TheMasterMind1 | do you move stuff in there kergoth? |
| 21:04:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: everything gets installed into installtemp, then shit that is part of the ipks gets moved out of there into build/ncurses-blah/ipkname/ |
| 21:05:14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:05:14 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:05:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so shit that isnt used in an ipk remains in installtemp |
| 21:05:28 | TheMasterMind1 | that's the only instance of ncurses.h i see in the whole sourcetree |
| 21:05:39 | kergoth | well thats what you want. |
| 21:06:08 | TheMasterMind1 | hows it get there |
| 21:06:12 | TheMasterMind1 | where'd it come from |
| 21:06:14 | kergoth | huh? |
| 21:06:16 | kergoth | i just told you |
| 21:06:17 | Onyx4 | Sandman changed the format of the odevice file in libopie, so I'm making a small change to my opieapm patch for it to compile |
| 21:06:26 | kergoth | the ncurses make install puts all the files in installtemp |
| 21:06:35 | kergoth | it came from the ncurses build dir |
| 21:06:37 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:06:40 | kergoth | it shouldnt have moved it, really |
| 21:06:44 | kergoth | check the makefile to be sure |
| 21:06:47 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, it shouldn't have |
| 21:06:47 | kergoth | i dont have this crap in front of me atm |
| 21:06:52 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, np |
| 21:10:56 | TheMasterMind1 | cp: cannot create hard link `/zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/share/terminfo/Q/Q310-vip-w-am' to `/zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/share/terminfo/v/vip-w': File exists |
| 21:10:56 | TheMasterMind1 | cp: cannot create hard link `/zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/share/terminfo/Q/Q310-vip-H' to `/zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/share/terminfo/v/vip-H': File exists |
| 21:10:56 | TheMasterMind1 | cp: cannot create hard link `/zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/share/terminfo/Q/Q310-vip-H-am' to `/zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/share/terminfo/v/vip-H': File exists |
| 21:10:57 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 21:12:12 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i make it do a -f |
| 21:12:16 | TheMasterMind1 | i think that's cp -a causing that |
| 21:18:39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:18:43 | TheMasterMind1 | who screwed up fbvnc? |
| 21:18:48 | TheMasterMind1 | Version = 0.1.1 |
| 21:18:48 | TheMasterMind1 | Revision = 3 |
| 21:18:48 | TheMasterMind1 | Buil |
| 21:18:48 | TheMasterMind1 | Depends = libc6 |
| 21:18:48 | TheMasterMind1 | in makefile |
| 21:18:49 | TheMasterMind1 | ponders |
| 21:18:52 | kergoth | remove Buil line |
| 21:19:02 | kergoth | that was a remnant of my scripted HostDepends->Depends |
| 21:19:34 | nadav | ping, damnit |
| 21:20:51 | TheMasterMind1 | yay! |
| 21:20:57 | TheMasterMind1 | libpcap and kismet compiled and made ipks |
| 21:25:41 | TheMasterMind1 | FATAL: Specifying a uid-0 user for the priv drop is pointless. Recompile |
| 21:25:41 | TheMasterMind1 | with --disable-suid if you really want this. |
| 21:25:41 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:25:52 | TheMasterMind1 | ERROR: Panels support not compiled in. |
| 21:28:00 | nadav | can opie player play mp3s? |
| 21:28:06 | Dessimat0r | of course... |
| 21:28:15 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:28:23 | nadav | uh |
| 21:28:31 | nadav | it complains it needs a decoder |
| 21:28:36 | TheMasterMind1 | install them |
| 21:28:39 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:28:43 | TheMasterMind1 | op2 or op? |
| 21:28:45 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 21:28:48 | TheMasterMind1 | or mediaplayer |
| 21:29:23 | nadav | mediaplayer |
| 21:29:35 | nadav | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/opie-mediaplayer_0.9.1-20020928_arm.ipk |
| 21:29:35 | nadav | that. |
| 21:32:07 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:32:09 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno |
| 21:32:13 | nadav | heh |
| 21:32:14 | nadav | okay |
| 21:32:15 | TheMasterMind1 | recompiles kismet so it works |
| 21:34:43 | nadav | god |
| 21:34:44 | nadav | i love opie fs |
| 21:34:55 | Dessimat0r | whats the default memory patitioning on the Zarus SL-5500? |
| 21:35:04 | Dessimat0r | I'm gonna reflash the ROM |
| 21:35:33 | Dessimat0r | not to Sharp, still keeping openzaurus |
| 21:35:46 | Dessimat0r | but I don't like the way there is no memory to install into |
| 21:35:49 | Dessimat0r | w/o the card |
| 21:36:03 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: default in sharp rom is 32-32 |
| 21:36:06 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:36:08 | Dessimat0r | thx |
| 21:36:09 | kergoth | np |
| 21:36:17 | kergoth | you can install apps into flash |
| 21:36:22 | Onyx4 | Dessimat0r: you picked the -64 kernel or what? :) |
| 21:36:25 | kergoth | but hteres only a couple megs of free space to work with there |
| 21:36:29 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:36:47 | kergoth | fuck, our network is slow |
| 21:36:50 | nadav | http://opie.handhelds.org/screenshots/gallery/terminal.png |
| 21:36:50 | Dessimat0r | i think i chose like the 52 - 16 |
| 21:36:52 | nadav | is this a theme? |
| 21:36:53 | kergoth | I may be stuck here late waiting for a copy |
| 21:36:54 | Dessimat0r | or whatever |
| 21:37:00 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:37:05 | kergoth | nadav: liquid. |
| 21:37:14 | nadav | ah. |
| 21:37:18 | Dessimat0r | yes, i did fail AS Maths |
| 21:37:18 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:37:57 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: does opie-launcher crashes opie when you have cardmon selected? for me it does ... |
| 21:38:05 | TheMasterMind1 | opie-launcher? |
| 21:38:11 | kergoth | 'cardmon selected'? |
| 21:38:16 | Dessimat0r | has anyone hacked the zaurus from the 1nsid3 yet? to add more ROM? |
| 21:38:19 | TheMasterMind1 | yea? how do you select cardmon |
| 21:38:22 | Onyx4 | opie launcher settings |
| 21:38:29 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you select? |
| 21:38:34 | kergoth | Onyx4: enable cardmon, or disable cardmon? |
| 21:38:38 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 21:38:44 | TheMasterMind1 | i enabled cardmon and disabled it a few times |
| 21:38:46 | TheMasterMind1 | works fine |
| 21:38:47 | kergoth | never tried to disable an applet myself |
| 21:38:53 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm still running our first optimized build |
| 21:38:53 | Onyx4 | mmm strange |
| 21:38:57 | Dessimat0r | there is an applet manager |
| 21:38:59 | Dessimat0r | you know |
| 21:39:03 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: you dont need it. |
| 21:39:08 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: opie has built in support for it |
| 21:39:09 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: yeah I ugpraded to a bit later, so maybe that's why |
| 21:39:11 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:39:19 | Dessimat0r | 0wnage ;) |
| 21:39:46 | nadav | ah yes |
| 21:39:48 | nadav | purdy liquid |
| 21:39:55 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:39:59 | TheMasterMind1 | lets see how this new kismet build works |
| 21:40:02 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:40:09 | Dessimat0r | *sniff sniff* |
| 21:40:42 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: opie's launcher settings app |
| 21:40:49 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 21:41:00 | kergoth | i have to wait for another gig to copy accross our slow ass network before i can go home |
| 21:41:04 | kergoth | mutters |
| 21:41:21 | TheMasterMind1 | FATAL: Specifying a uid-0 user for the priv drop is pointless. Recompile |
| 21:41:22 | TheMasterMind1 | with --disable-suid if you really want this. |
| 21:41:22 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 21:41:24 | TheMasterMind1 | i DID! |
| 21:41:48 | Dessimat0r | it hates you and wants to knive out your guts |
| 21:42:19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: um, why did you specify uid 0 for priv drop? |
| 21:42:23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we should create a kismet user |
| 21:42:37 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 21:42:41 | TheMasterMind1 | its set in kismet.conf apparently |
| 21:42:50 | kergoth | then when it drops priveledges it would become that user |
| 21:42:50 | kergoth | eh? |
| 21:42:51 | TheMasterMind1 | can you make sure there's a kismet user added by default? |
| 21:43:04 | kergoth | yeah, i'm screwing with that stuff already for the nonroot |
| 21:43:29 | Dessimat0r | argh, i hate Overnet, its lame-ass .net shit slows do your whole pc |
| 21:43:29 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 21:43:31 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm a dumbass |
| 21:43:38 | TheMasterMind1 | running kismet from ssh over a wireless connection = stupid |
| 21:44:29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: we could just run it as the opie user also |
| 21:44:55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:45:03 | TheMasterMind1 | helvetica 8 is really nice |
| 21:45:09 | TheMasterMind1 | it shows on opie-login nicely too |
| 21:45:57 | TheMasterMind1 | argh |
| 21:46:01 | TheMasterMind1 | we also need a kismet dir |
| 21:46:04 | TheMasterMind1 | for it to store shit |
| 21:46:13 | TheMasterMind1 | cuz it can't access /root/.kismet/ as kismet user |
| 21:46:26 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess /home/kismet is good |
| 21:46:27 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 21:46:43 | TheMasterMind1 | thing with that is opie user won't be able to access the kismet logs then |
| 21:47:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no |
| 21:47:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: they might add or remove our default opie user and use their own |
| 21:47:28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we want a kismet user that they'll see and not fuck with |
| 21:47:30 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:47:32 | kergoth | we are dealing with end users here remember :) |
| 21:47:38 | kergoth | store what shit/ |
| 21:47:47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: does kismet open the log files before or after it drops privs? |
| 21:47:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if it opened the log file before it dropped privs, it'd have access to em in the user's homedir |
| 21:47:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: since it'd have to be suid anyawy |
| 21:48:19 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 21:48:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm not sure |
| 21:48:24 | TheMasterMind1 | trying to get it to run first |
| 21:48:29 | TheMasterMind1 | it can't open some odd file now |
| 21:49:09 | TheMasterMind1 | Unable to open net file: Permission denied |
| 21:49:10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:49:12 | kergoth | strace it |
| 21:49:14 | TheMasterMind1 | WHAT net file..? |
| 21:49:15 | TheMasterMind1 | i wonder |
| 21:49:21 | kergoth | strace = nifty |
| 21:49:23 | kergoth | use it, love it |
| 21:49:43 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 21:49:43 | TheMasterMind1 | awesome |
| 21:50:05 | TheMasterMind1 | its trying to open the network log file |
| 21:50:10 | kergoth | where? |
| 21:50:10 | TheMasterMind1 | i wonder where it is.. doesn't give a dir |
| 21:50:13 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:51:53 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 21:51:57 | TheMasterMind1 | it does it in the dir you're in |
| 21:52:02 | TheMasterMind1 | and it can't since it doesn't have permission.. |
| 21:52:18 | TheMasterMind1 | might want it to cd into /home/kismet |
| 21:52:19 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:52:37 | TheMasterMind1 | too bad it bus errored |
| 21:52:44 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:53:17 | TheMasterMind1 | bleh |
| 21:54:20 | TheMasterMind1 | strace isn't giving me any obvious clues |
| 21:54:26 | TheMasterMind1 | just cryptic crap |
| 21:56:43 | scanline | is away: dinner |
| 21:56:56 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:57:00 | TheMasterMind1 | it opens /proc/net/wireless |
| 21:57:02 | TheMasterMind1 | reads quality |
| 21:57:07 | TheMasterMind1 | closes |
| 21:57:07 | TheMasterMind1 | then it does |
| 21:57:21 | TheMasterMind1 | munmap(ox4001c006, 4096) = 0 |
| 21:57:25 | TheMasterMind1 | then there's a bus error |
| 21:58:08 | TheMasterMind1 | ah i see something |
| 21:58:32 | TheMasterMind1 | old_mmap(NULL, 4096, somee stuff, some more stuff, -1, 0) - 0x4991c000 |
| 21:59:09 | TheMasterMind1 | s/-/= |
| 21:59:17 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:59:18 | Onyx4 | does it work as root? |
| 21:59:39 | TheMasterMind1 | it won't let me |
| 21:59:47 | TheMasterMind1 | i recompiled with --disable-suid too |
| 22:02:08 | TheMasterMind1 | oh i see it |
| 22:02:10 | TheMasterMind1 | --disable-suid-root disable suid-root installtion (not recomended) |
| 22:05:21 | Onyx4 | if you run it as a user, you must compile it suid and make sure it's setuid :) |
| 22:06:00 | Onyx4 | but it should run as root even with setuid compiled |
| 22:06:04 | nadav | returns |
| 22:06:47 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:06:53 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't seem to work as root either |
| 22:07:08 | TheMasterMind1 | kismet_server buserrors |
| 22:07:28 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:07:34 | kergoth | what configure line did you do to run it? |
| 22:07:38 | kergoth | er compile it |
| 22:08:37 | TheMasterMind1 | cd $(SourceTree); LDFLAGS="$(LDFLAGS) -L$(STAGING_DIR)/lib" ./configure --host=$(ARCH)-$(OS) --build $(BUILDARCH)-$(BUILDOS) --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --disable-gps --enable-zaurus --without-ethereal --enable-syspcap --disable-suid-root |
| 22:09:07 | TheMasterMind1 | $(MAKE) -C $(SourceTree) dep |
| 22:09:07 | TheMasterMind1 | $(MAKE) -C $(SourceTree) CPPFLAGS="-fpermissive -I$(BUILD_DIR)/ncurses-$(NCURSES_VERSION)/include -I$(BUILD_DIR)/libpcap-$(PCAP_VERSION)" |
| 22:10:07 | Onyx4 | can you leave gps support in kismet? |
| 22:10:13 | Onyx4 | I have a serial GPS I'd like to use with it |
| 22:10:21 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 22:11:11 | nadav | kergoth: when i try to play an mp3 with opieplayer it says there's no appropriate decoder. am i forgetting something? |
| 22:11:25 | Onyx4 | nadav: opie-libmad? |
| 22:11:34 | TheMasterMind1 | grrs at kismet |
| 22:11:34 | Onyx4 | or libmpeg3 |
| 22:12:06 | nadav | ah. |
| 22:12:36 | Onyx4 | haven't you tried op2 instead? |
| 22:13:13 | nadav | it's not on http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/, is it? |
| 22:13:24 | Dessimat0r | what are some good alternative package managers for openzaurus? |
| 22:13:37 | Dessimat0r | the default one takes too long to install stuff |
| 22:13:37 | Onyx4 | Dessimat0r: aqpkg |
| 22:13:42 | Dessimat0r | thx ;) |
| 22:13:52 | Onyx4 | Dessimat0r: comes with latest opie |
| 22:13:59 | Dessimat0r | i see |
| 22:14:02 | Onyx4 | AH finally the CVS opie compiles again |
| 22:14:06 | Dessimat0r | thats in the feed? ;) |
| 22:14:15 | Onyx4 | Dessimat0r: not yet no |
| 22:14:20 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 22:14:20 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 22:14:39 | Dessimat0r | btw |
| 22:14:43 | Dessimat0r | i noticed some bugs |
| 22:14:52 | Dessimat0r | want me to point them out? |
| 22:14:57 | Dessimat0r | in case they havent been fixed |
| 22:15:00 | kergoth | feel free |
| 22:15:03 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 22:15:06 | Onyx4 | sure you running the latest optimized unstable? |
| 22:15:06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: is that kismet makefile in bk? |
| 22:15:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i can take a look tonight if you like |
| 22:15:34 | Dessimat0r | just running the oen from sourceforge |
| 22:15:37 | Dessimat0r | one |
| 22:15:45 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: thats old. upgrade |
| 22:15:55 | Onyx4 | the initrd that got put there like 2 days ago? |
| 22:15:56 | kergoth | old, but it is the last official release |
| 22:15:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:16:04 | Dessimat0r | okay.. how? ;) |
| 22:16:13 | Dessimat0r | do i like dump all the files on |
| 22:16:14 | Dessimat0r | and update? |
| 22:16:25 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: no wlan or usb connectivity? |
| 22:16:36 | Dessimat0r | i have a compactflash |
| 22:16:37 | Dessimat0r | 256mb |
| 22:16:45 | Dessimat0r | and a CF reader/writer |
| 22:16:54 | kergoth | that doesnt answer my question |
| 22:16:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:17:01 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:17:04 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i'll push stuff |
| 22:17:04 | Dessimat0r | usb connectivity |
| 22:17:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: good |
| 22:17:14 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: do you have a wifi card? |
| 22:17:19 | Onyx4 | of course |
| 22:17:23 | TheMasterMind1 | try this kismet ipk |
| 22:17:24 | kergoth | I need a wap at home. |
| 22:17:24 | TheMasterMind1 | see if it works |
| 22:17:30 | TheMasterMind1 | bah. waps are overrated |
| 22:17:31 | TheMasterMind1 | ad-hoc++ |
| 22:17:34 | Onyx4 | you fixed the bus error? |
| 22:17:34 | kergoth | has no wlan at home |
| 22:17:39 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: no |
| 22:17:42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i dont have any other wireless devices other than my z |
| 22:17:43 | TheMasterMind1 | but maybe it'll work on yours? |
| 22:17:43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 22:17:48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:17:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i just want my Z on my damn network |
| 22:17:53 | TheMasterMind1 | i have a card in my server |
| 22:17:54 | Onyx4 | hehe ok then |
| 22:18:01 | Dessimat0r | can the zaurus support usb2? if the base station was modded |
| 22:18:23 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: the Z is not a usb 2.0 device, but most usb 2 cards support usb 1.0 devices as well |
| 22:18:30 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 22:18:35 | TheMasterMind1 | www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/z/ |
| 22:18:38 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 22:18:47 | kergoth | DAMNIT |
| 22:18:50 | kergoth | i'm stuck at work |
| 22:18:50 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 22:18:50 | kergoth | still |
| 22:18:53 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:18:54 | Dessimat0r | do i need to try and get the internet up and running over my usb? |
| 22:18:54 | kergoth | i shoudlve left 25 mins ago |
| 22:18:56 | kergoth | but i cant |
| 22:18:58 | kergoth | growls |
| 22:18:59 | TheMasterMind1 | that gigs transferring? |
| 22:19:06 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: or download the whole feed to your cf |
| 22:19:12 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: run kismet_monitor; kismet_server |
| 22:19:13 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 22:19:16 | TheMasterMind1 | see if it bus errors |
| 22:19:19 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: and echo src cf file:/mnt/cf >> /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 22:19:26 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: then you can ipkg update and ipkg upgrade from your card |
| 22:19:40 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm so sick of ipkg |
| 22:19:42 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm going to write my own |
| 22:19:43 | TheMasterMind1 | in php :) |
| 22:19:45 | kergoth | thats stupid |
| 22:19:45 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:19:47 | TheMasterMind1 | just for me |
| 22:19:47 | Dessimat0r | php?! |
| 22:19:51 | kergoth | no, definately grossly stupid |
| 22:19:52 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:19:53 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:19:55 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't care |
| 22:19:58 | kergoth | not to mention a waste of time reinventing the wheel |
| 22:20:01 | TheMasterMind1 | it'll work good |
| 22:20:06 | kergoth | ipkg and dpkg are the best options right now. |
| 22:20:10 | Dessimat0r | its making a square wheel :P |
| 22:20:13 | kergoth | and ipkg is a *much* smaller footprint |
| 22:20:18 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:20:29 | kergoth | as it doesnt cache downloaded files the way apt does |
| 22:20:30 | TheMasterMind1 | my version will only be 200 times bigger binary |
| 22:20:32 | kergoth | not to mention db size |
| 22:20:38 | kergoth | screw that |
| 22:20:40 | TheMasterMind1 | or maybe its only 20 |
| 22:20:48 | kergoth | i'll just give jamey patches for ipkg to fix its quirks, thanks |
| 22:20:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:21:08 | Dessimat0r | right, so where should i begin downloading the feed from? |
| 22:21:12 | Dessimat0r | and do i need all of it? |
| 22:21:12 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:21:16 | nadav | wtf |
| 22:21:21 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: onyx pasted you the url |
| 22:21:21 | nadav | player2 isn't starting |
| 22:21:23 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: scroll up |
| 22:21:29 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 22:21:30 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 22:21:37 | kergoth | er |
| 22:21:41 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/, is it? |
| 22:21:44 | kergoth | that |
| 22:21:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:21:47 | kergoth | pasted from nadav |
| 22:21:53 | kergoth | is a lazy ass |
| 22:21:55 | Dessimat0r | i see ;) |
| 22:21:56 | nadav | heh |
| 22:21:57 | Dessimat0r | thanks |
| 22:21:58 | kergoth | screw typing anyway |
| 22:21:59 | kergoth | np |
| 22:22:01 | Dessimat0r | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ |
| 22:22:02 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:22:10 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:22:24 | Dessimat0r | same, just pasted to check |
| 22:22:34 | nadav | weird thing. it looks like player2 is loading, but when it's done nothing comes up |
| 22:22:44 | kergoth | nadav: what op2 package did you get? |
| 22:22:56 | kergoth | nadav: you should use the one on harlekin's site |
| 22:22:58 | nadav | http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/current/opie-mediaplayer2_0.9.1-20020902_arm.ipk |
| 22:23:04 | nadav | ok |
| 22:23:07 | | somebody said op2 was opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 22:23:07 | kergoth | ibot op2 |
| 22:23:10 | Dessimat0r | ookay, will all this fit inside my ROM? |
| 22:23:21 | kergoth | i think that howot links to it |
| 22:23:29 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: it wont. |
| 22:23:31 | nadav | yeah, thanks |
| 22:23:33 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:23:37 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: you're *upgrading* the packages you already have installed. |
| 22:23:38 | Dessimat0r | how should i arrange it then |
| 22:23:41 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 22:23:41 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: you're not installing them all |
| 22:23:43 | Dessimat0r | i understand |
| 22:25:04 | nadav | how much space does op2 take? |
| 22:25:22 | nadav | 'cos my CF is vfat |
| 22:25:34 | Dessimat0r | dling them all |
| 22:25:43 | Dessimat0r | thanks to getright browser ;) |
| 22:26:29 | | optimized is, like, new fully optmized opie/qte oz release at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ or update from the feed (tested from 2.9.5.5) http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ |
| 22:26:29 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot optimized |
| 22:26:39 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: tell me when you've tried the kismet thing |
| 22:26:54 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: also, did you tell me how to convert an audio file to mp3 using mencoder? |
| 22:27:08 | Dessimat0r | dont you hate it when you cant find your stylus? ;) |
| 22:27:23 | scanline | is back (gone 00:30:39) |
| 22:27:35 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: what format is your audio file? |
| 22:27:48 | TheMasterMind1 | .ra |
| 22:27:50 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 22:27:52 | TheMasterMind1 | real audio |
| 22:28:03 | TheMasterMind1 | i can convert to wav using mplayer's -ao pcm |
| 22:28:04 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: mmm not sure if mencoder can do that |
| 22:28:10 | Onyx4 | ok once you have wav |
| 22:28:17 | TheMasterMind1 | i have to do it in two steps? |
| 22:28:25 | Onyx4 | run do lame --alt-preset standard input.wav output.mp3 |
| 22:28:28 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought since mplayer can do it mencoder could too |
| 22:28:46 | Onyx4 | this will give you a full VBR mp3 at high quality |
| 22:28:57 | Onyx4 | if you want lower bitrate do --alt-preset abr 128 |
| 22:29:16 | TheMasterMind1 | lame? |
| 22:29:27 | Dessimat0r | what do you use to develop applications for the Z? |
| 22:29:29 | Onyx4 | yes lame is the best mp3 encoder |
| 22:29:37 | Dessimat0r | so you can see the controls |
| 22:29:37 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:29:38 | Dessimat0r | etc |
| 22:29:41 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: qvfb |
| 22:29:43 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: read the howto |
| 22:29:45 | TheMasterMind1 | that's a seperate proggie or part of mplayer/mencoder? |
| 22:29:45 | | somebody said howto was at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ or see xcompiler for cross compiler setup |
| 22:29:45 | kergoth | ibot howto |
| 22:29:46 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 22:30:11 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: hehe it's "lame" , if you have libmp3lame that's the same library that mencoder use, lame is just another frontend for the library |
| 22:30:30 | Onyx4 | www.mp3dev.org |
| 22:30:42 | TheMasterMind1 | apt-get install toolame |
| 22:30:43 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 22:30:49 | TheMasterMind1 | toolame - MPEG-1 layer 2 audio encoder |
| 22:30:49 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:30:50 | noda | Bah, screw the build process :P. I'm just gonna upgrade off the feed. |
| 22:30:52 | TheMasterMind1 | seems like it.. |
| 22:30:55 | | i guess optimized is new fully optmized opie/qte oz release at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ or update from the feed (tested from 2.9.5.5) http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ |
| 22:30:55 | noda | ibot: optimized |
| 22:30:56 | Onyx4 | not toollame |
| 22:30:56 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: heheh |
| 22:31:05 | kergoth | noda: probs? |
| 22:31:06 | noda | I've got something about $TMAKEPATH now... |
| 22:31:08 | Onyx4 | just lame, but lame might be part of the non-free stuff |
| 22:31:16 | kergoth | noda: dont set those vars in your environment |
| 22:31:18 | Onyx4 | because it's got patents |
| 22:31:19 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:31:20 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:31:21 | kergoth | noda: are you using the build scripts from the howto? |
| 22:31:25 | noda | It's not set. |
| 22:31:28 | kergoth | noda: if so, dont |
| 22:31:29 | noda | There's a howto? |
| 22:31:33 | noda | Oh, THAT thing - nope. |
| 22:31:37 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:31:39 | noda | Er. no, what thing. |
| 22:31:42 | noda | is totally confused. |
| 22:31:42 | kergoth | the build-x86.sh etc |
| 22:31:46 | | xcompile is, like, just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) |
| 22:31:46 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot xcompile |
| 22:31:48 | TheMasterMind1 | use that |
| 22:31:49 | kergoth | shell scripts to set env for crosscopmilation |
| 22:31:50 | noda | No, not using those. |
| 22:31:51 | TheMasterMind1 | nothing else |
| 22:31:53 | noda | I'm using xcompile |
| 22:31:56 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 22:32:04 | noda | emakepath isn't set. |
| 22:32:07 | noda | er, tmakepath rather |
| 22:32:08 | kergoth | noda: whys it complaining about TMAKEPATH then? it gets set in the makefile. |
| 22:32:15 | kergoth | in packages/opie/Makefile |
| 22:32:15 | TheMasterMind1 | blames redhat/mandrake |
| 22:32:24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thats always a good idea |
| 22:32:28 | kergoth | blames redhat/mandrake too, just for fun |
| 22:32:31 | noda | Hrm, it does. But it's just not working. |
| 22:32:32 | TheMasterMind1 | beats kismet with a large metal rod |
| 22:32:40 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: you're using mandrake/redhat? |
| 22:32:45 | kergoth | noda: does build/tmake-1.8 exist? |
| 22:32:54 | noda | Ah, that's the problem :P |
| 22:32:56 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Hell no :) |
| 22:32:59 | nadav | wtf does it mean when ipkg says "invalid magic" |
| 22:33:00 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, ok |
| 22:33:00 | kergoth | noda: doesnt exist? |
| 22:33:03 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I'm using nodaLinux :P |
| 22:33:06 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 22:33:11 | kergoth | noda: it should be building tmake prior to opie |
| 22:33:11 | TheMasterMind1 | lfs? |
| 22:33:13 | kergoth | noda: automatically |
| 22:33:19 | noda | kergoth: I think I was having trouble downloading from trolltech. And then somehow it assumes it's complete even though the download failed. |
| 22:33:21 | TheMasterMind1 | nadav: invalid file |
| 22:33:28 | nadav | hm. |
| 22:33:37 | TheMasterMind1 | contemplates explaining magic to nadav |
| 22:33:38 | kergoth | noda: ahh, i dont think the source obtain script properly fails out and aborts on failure |
| 22:33:38 | noda | Sure enough, that's what happened :) |
| 22:33:44 | kergoth | noda: i'll fix that tonight |
| 22:33:46 | noda | Woo! |
| 22:33:51 | kergoth | noda: so it just pukes and dies when it cant get something |
| 22:33:54 | kergoth | instead of trying to continue |
| 22:33:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:33:57 | noda | Yeah. |
| 22:34:00 | TheMasterMind1 | "tonight" |
| 22:34:04 | TheMasterMind1 | as in, sometime this month |
| 22:34:07 | kergoth | haha |
| 22:34:10 | noda | wget tries 10 times... but without --passive-ftp it'll never work. Only trolltech's FTP server does that to me. |
| 22:34:14 | kergoth | tonight, if i have a chance |
| 22:34:23 | kergoth | noda: they mustve changed something. everyone says that now |
| 22:34:34 | Dessimat0r | The Trolltech ftp is really buggered tonight |
| 22:34:38 | noda | Bah, I'll just go into the sources dir and download. |
| 22:34:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:34:52 | noda | There we go :) |
| 22:34:55 | Dessimat0r | I couldn't access it at all b4 |
| 22:34:56 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:34:57 | noda | Back on track. |
| 22:35:03 | TheMasterMind1 | wonders what will happen if he does touch stamps/* |
| 22:35:09 | noda | Next problem! |
| 22:35:09 | Onyx4 | you'll need to bk pull if you want to compile a fresh opie cvs |
| 22:35:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: then you run make, nothing will happen |
| 22:35:14 | noda | /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20020928/bin/uic: error while loading shared libraries: libqutil.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:35:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: cause it'll think you're done |
| 22:35:20 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:35:22 | kergoth | noda: you need qt on your desktop |
| 22:35:32 | TheMasterMind1 | wonders what will happen if he does touch stamps/*.source |
| 22:35:34 | noda | Er, where on my desktop? Which version? etc. |
| 22:36:10 | noda | I've got QT3, but I don't have libqutil.so.1. |
| 22:36:10 | TheMasterMind1 | it should have extracted the tar.gz in packages/qte-2.3.4/ |
| 22:36:13 | TheMasterMind1 | it has uic in it |
| 22:36:14 | TheMasterMind1 | oh.. |
| 22:36:15 | TheMasterMind1 | nm |
| 22:36:18 | kergoth | noda: qutil is in a seperate package |
| 22:36:23 | noda | Oh... |
| 22:36:26 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:36:27 | kergoth | noda: probably 'uic' or qt3-tools or something |
| 22:36:30 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: try that kismet yet? |
| 22:36:36 | kergoth | noda: once you get that lib, uic shoiuld be able to run |
| 22:36:36 | noda | Okay, so THAT package was missed too I guess? |
| 22:36:42 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: sorry not yet :) |
| 22:36:46 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: getting to it |
| 22:36:49 | TheMasterMind1 | heh ok |
| 22:36:53 | kergoth | noda: *really* we need to compile qt/x11 as well as qt/e, to get uic and uic's libs |
| 22:36:56 | noda | Erm... this package is in the buildroot? |
| 22:36:59 | kergoth | noda: but that'll increase our build time hugely |
| 22:37:00 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm hoping it magically works |
| 22:37:00 | kergoth | noda: no |
| 22:37:03 | kergoth | noda: your *desktop* |
| 22:37:04 | TheMasterMind1 | and that my build is just screwy |
| 22:37:05 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 22:37:13 | kergoth | noda: qt3-tools or uic, install the rpm/deb/what have you |
| 22:37:19 | noda | kergoth: I have none :P |
| 22:37:25 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:37:27 | TheMasterMind1 | compile it |
| 22:37:28 | kergoth | well find it |
| 22:37:29 | TheMasterMind1 | you lfs freak |
| 22:37:31 | noda | Yeah, I'll find it :) |
| 22:37:34 | noda | beams. |
| 22:37:34 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:37:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:37:41 | kergoth | i hate that dependency |
| 22:37:48 | kergoth | but it'd make our build a lot longer to build qt/x11 as well |
| 22:37:50 | noda | I do too *beams* |
| 22:37:53 | kergoth | look at how long the qt/e build takes |
| 22:37:53 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:37:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:37:59 | TheMasterMind1 | build x11 |
| 22:38:01 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 22:38:05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: build qt/x11. |
| 22:38:07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not x11. |
| 22:38:08 | TheMasterMind1 | i know |
| 22:38:09 | nadav | pats the memory warnings |
| 22:38:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:38:15 | TheMasterMind1 | but building x11 would be SO MUCH more fun |
| 22:38:15 | kergoth | nadav: having fun |
| 22:38:22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: prpplague is adding X to the buildroot. |
| 22:38:28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so we can build an X initrd.bin |
| 22:38:28 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 22:38:29 | TheMasterMind1 | joy |
| 22:38:31 | nadav | kergoth: op2 on 5000D = memory bitching |
| 22:38:31 | Onyx4 | I should probably not keep my current kismet.conf right? |
| 22:38:32 | nadav | :P |
| 22:38:33 | kergoth | we'll have 4 initrd.bin's |
| 22:38:41 | kergoth | base, x11, opie, picogui |
| 22:38:47 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: yea, there's changes |
| 22:38:51 | TheMasterMind1 | some new stuff |
| 22:38:54 | kergoth | someone requested adding qtopia 1.6 snapshot to the buildroot as well, for some strange reason |
| 22:39:03 | Onyx4 | in that case you should not mark them as config file, because they wont get overwritten |
| 22:39:04 | TheMasterMind1 | someone is weird |
| 22:39:18 | TheMasterMind1 | huh? |
| 22:39:24 | TheMasterMind1 | as in echo >> conffiles thing? |
| 22:39:28 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 22:39:30 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:39:34 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll take it out |
| 22:39:38 | Onyx4 | if you do that, it keeps the originals |
| 22:39:50 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:39:52 | Onyx4 | assuming that they are compatible config files :) |
| 22:39:54 | TheMasterMind1 | btw, how do i do comments |
| 22:39:56 | TheMasterMind1 | can i do comments? |
| 22:40:10 | Onyx4 | altough if you run ipkg from the cmdline, it does prompt you for overwriting but not from oipkg |
| 22:43:47 | TheMasterMind1 | bah!! |
| 22:51:57 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:51:57 | TheMasterMind1 | apache htaccess files |
| 22:52:02 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: chgrp, change group. etc |
| 22:52:07 | TheMasterMind1 | like i have a dir called staff and i want it password protected |
| 22:52:10 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: there really is sense behind all of this if you look :) |
| 22:52:16 | Dessimat0r | yeah ;) |
| 22:52:22 | fatbum^awootway | . |
| 22:52:23 | Dessimat0r | these commands are better |
| 22:52:27 | Dessimat0r | i mean |
| 22:52:27 | Dessimat0r | they must be |
| 22:52:33 | Dessimat0r | M$ dont give a shit about DOS |
| 22:52:36 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:52:59 | kergoth | heh, windows commands still run in winnt/win2k/winxp, and they dont have 'dos' persay |
| 22:53:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:53:05 | noda | Woo! Three bals bouncing around here. |
| 22:53:05 | Dessimat0r | in linux, the console is worshipped ;) |
| 22:53:16 | noda | In Windows it can't even be easily resized horizontally. |
| 22:53:21 | Dessimat0r | nope |
| 22:53:32 | kergoth | noda: i *hate* that |
| 22:53:41 | kergoth | noda: especially since i'm working in a cygwin window, and it spoils me |
| 22:53:43 | noda | kergoth: I don't any more, since I don't ever have to use it :) |
| 22:53:45 | Dessimat0r | oh, and the bootup screen of windows xp is, what, 16 colours?! |
| 22:53:49 | kergoth | noda: then i try to resize, and it spoils the illusion |
| 22:53:50 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 22:53:50 | kergoth | noda: hehe |
| 22:53:56 | noda | kergoth: Well, go all the way and get X! Then run xterms :) |
| 22:54:09 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:54:13 | noda | My bootup screen is 1 colour *beam* |
| 22:54:14 | kergoth | noda: hehe. this box at work here is too damn slow to run x via cygwin |
| 22:54:19 | kergoth | noda: impressive |
| 22:54:21 | noda | comforts kergoth. |
| 22:54:29 | noda | Every pixel is either colour or not-colour :) |
| 22:54:44 | kergoth | ln -s support.devel support |
| 22:54:45 | kergoth | er |
| 22:54:47 | kergoth | wrong window |
| 22:54:49 | noda | lol |
| 22:55:03 | Dessimat0r | you can change the bootup screen on openzaurus? |
| 22:55:09 | Dessimat0r | i thought it was like intertweened |
| 22:55:13 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: the boot logo? its in the kernel itself |
| 22:55:14 | noda | Hell no :) |
| 22:55:14 | Dessimat0r | the way it all scrolls in |
| 22:55:15 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:55:17 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 22:55:23 | noda | Dessimat0r: You can change it on Windows too, with a resource hacker. |
| 22:55:25 | kergoth | damn dood, yo ulaugh alot |
| 22:55:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:55:32 | Dessimat0r | yeah |
| 22:55:37 | Dessimat0r | its a habit |
| 22:55:37 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:55:39 | noda | had an Episode 2 bootup screen back at work. |
| 22:55:50 | kergoth | bets someone $20 that Dessimat0r doesnt actually laugh when he types it |
| 22:56:36 | Dessimat0r | btw, a feature is lacking in openzaurus |
| 22:56:48 | Dessimat0r | on the light and power thingy |
| 22:57:06 | Dessimat0r | you need an option to say whether to suspend it in the cradle |
| 22:57:07 | Dessimat0r | or not |
| 22:57:28 | Dessimat0r | its damn annoying when it turns off, and you need to turn it back on |
| 22:57:29 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:57:41 | noda | It turns off in the cradle? |
| 22:57:44 | Dessimat0r | yup |
| 22:57:54 | noda | Hrm, never knew that (don't use cradle) |
| 22:57:59 | noda | It doesn't turn off when you just plug it in :) |
| 22:58:03 | Dessimat0r | it dosent on the sharp rom |
| 22:58:13 | Dessimat0r | gah |
| 22:58:14 | Dessimat0r | i see |
| 22:58:18 | Dessimat0r | power is not connected |
| 22:58:26 | Dessimat0r | lol! |
| 22:58:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:58:58 | Onyx4 | ha shit |
| 22:58:58 | Onyx4 | latest atd CVS segfaults |
| 22:58:58 | Onyx4 | they did an update |
| 22:59:03 | kergoth | wonderful |
| 22:59:06 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:59:13 | kergoth | my day didnt suck enough |
| 22:59:15 | kergoth | but now |
| 22:59:23 | kergoth | it does |
| 22:59:30 | kergoth | thanks handhelds.org! |
| 22:59:38 | Onyx4 | why? |
| 22:59:43 | kergoth | long day |
| 22:59:47 | kergoth | found out 21 peopel were canned |
| 22:59:50 | kergoth | we dont get raises this year |
| 22:59:51 | noda | Ouch |
| 22:59:56 | kergoth | and i'm at work an hour late |
| 23:00:07 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:00:07 | Onyx4 | yeah it's same everywhere |
| 23:00:19 | noda | You weren't canned! :) |
| 23:00:22 | Onyx4 | no raises this year, layoffs, etc... |
| 23:00:25 | kergoth | noda: surprisingly |
| 23:00:28 | Onyx4 | just happy to keep my job at this point |
| 23:00:34 | TheMasterMind1 | bah! |
| 23:00:35 | kergoth | noda: considering i made my boss look a fool in front of our department on wednesday |
| 23:00:39 | kergoth | noda: :) |
| 23:00:55 | TheMasterMind1 | there's no way to put a .htaccess file to protect only a subdir of the dir you put the .htaccess file in?! |
| 23:00:59 | kergoth | FUCK ME |
| 23:01:01 | kergoth | AHHHHH |
| 23:01:04 | Dessimat0r | hrm.. is FTP disabled by default on OZ? |
| 23:01:04 | kergoth | fucking son of a bitch |
| 23:01:15 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: ftp to port 4242? read the faq under syncing |
| 23:01:18 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 23:01:19 | noda | kergoth: lol, *is* he a fool? :) |
| 23:01:23 | kergoth | noda: oh yeah |
| 23:01:27 | noda | grins. |
| 23:01:28 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:01:31 | kergoth | noda: it was fun showing him and everyone else that though |
| 23:01:32 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: kismet? |
| 23:01:34 | kergoth | noda: made my week |
| 23:01:37 | Onyx4 | bus error |
| 23:01:38 | Dessimat0r | lol, i know to do that ;) |
| 23:01:41 | Onyx4 | the ui also gives me eroror while loading shared library kismet_curses undefined symbol: __udivsig |
| 23:01:45 | Dessimat0r | looks like the ip has changed |
| 23:01:47 | TheMasterMind1 | pos |
| 23:01:49 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks it |
| 23:01:51 | Onyx4 | atd CVS segfaults... |
| 23:01:54 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:01:55 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: ? |
| 23:01:57 | | it has been said that oz faq is http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 23:01:57 | kergoth | ibot oz faq |
| 23:02:13 | kergoth | what ip? |
| 23:02:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:02:18 | kergoth | that doesnt look like an ip to me |
| 23:02:23 | kergoth | and it seem sfine here |
| 23:02:38 | | okay, kergoth. |
| 23:02:38 | kergoth | ibot oz faq is also http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 23:02:48 | kergoth | fuck me |
| 23:02:53 | kergoth | the drive i was working on ran out of space |
| 23:02:58 | kergoth | and I lost the script I wrote |
| 23:02:58 | noda | Maybe some other time... |
| 23:03:00 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 23:03:02 | noda | Eek! |
| 23:03:03 | kergoth | which mean |
| 23:03:04 | kergoth | s |
| 23:03:09 | kergoth | i'm stuck here for like another fucking houur |
| 23:03:16 | kergoth | because the changes need to go live tomorrow morning |
| 23:03:16 | noda | comforts kergoth. |
| 23:03:19 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 23:03:20 | kergoth | dies |
| 23:03:28 | | ACTION smashes kergoth's head in a fridge, then shoves a large sword us his arse |
| 23:03:28 | kergoth | ibot kill me |
| 23:03:35 | kergoth | hah, george did that |
| 23:03:40 | kergoth | put that entry in |
| 23:03:42 | bindu-home | ibot is english! |
| 23:03:46 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 23:03:46 | kergoth | ibot shoot me |
| 23:03:48 | kergoth | there we go |
| 23:03:57 | kergoth | likes to keep it simple |
| 23:05:19 | Dessimat0r | ahahah, works now |
| 23:05:34 | Dessimat0r | root needs a pass |
| 23:05:39 | | fatbum^awootway: excuse me? |
| 23:05:39 | fatbum^awootway | ibot kill me |
| 23:05:40 | Dessimat0r | dont get any ideas ;) |
| 23:05:48 | fatbum^awootway | hehe |
| 23:05:50 | fatbum^awootway | thats funny |
| 23:06:17 | not-kergoth | w00t |
| 23:06:19 | not-kergoth | im half leet |
| 23:07:06 | Dessimat0r | I'm quarter-linux-l33t |
| 23:07:16 | daralc | will openzaurus work with SL5500? |
| 23:07:21 | w00t | yep |
| 23:07:32 | Dessimat0r | of course |
| 23:07:32 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:07:41 | daralc | is there a OZ mp3 music player that does streams? |
| 23:07:50 | kergoth`argh | daralc: op2 |
| 23:07:52 | | rumour has it op2 is opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 23:07:52 | kergoth`argh | ibot op2 |
| 23:07:56 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 23:07:59 | Xentac | mpg123... |
| 23:08:01 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 23:08:12 | Dessimat0r | ibot is a fool |
| 23:08:27 | daralc | mpg123 is for zaurus too? :o |
| 23:09:23 | noda | daralc: It'll run on Zaurus :) |
| 23:09:26 | Onyx4 | mmm latest opie-login just gives a blank screen |
| 23:09:39 | Onyx4 | think I should better check cvs again tomorrow |
| 23:09:53 | w00t | can we nix opie-login with opikg? |
| 23:09:56 | w00t | and not use it? |
| 23:10:24 | Dessimat0r | i just put a password on root, how come i can still access the ftp as root with no pass? |
| 23:10:27 | Onyx4 | and opie doesn't seem to start if opie-login is not installed |
| 23:10:33 | daralc | ok say i don't have a CF card... |
| 23:10:47 | daralc | is there one for Qtopia or whatever... a mp3 player that does streams... like mpg123? |
| 23:11:27 | Dessimat0r | <ibot> rumour has it op2 is opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 23:11:44 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:11:50 | Dessimat0r | you can obtain it now |
| 23:11:53 | daralc | .... |
| 23:11:54 | daralc | but... |
| 23:11:57 | Dessimat0r | but it is in beta |
| 23:11:59 | daralc | i don't/can't have opie |
| 23:12:03 | Dessimat0r | yeah |
| 23:12:06 | Dessimat0r | i got it to work |
| 23:12:07 | Dessimat0r | without opie |
| 23:12:17 | Dessimat0r | on the sharp rom |
| 23:12:32 | Dessimat0r | make sure you get zlib |
| 23:12:34 | Dessimat0r | and libopie |
| 23:12:35 | daralc | yea |
| 23:12:55 | Dessimat0r | the use ipkg in the console to install |
| 23:13:00 | Dessimat0r | or it will fuck up ;) |
| 23:13:25 | Onyx4 | Cannot create semaphore /tmp/qtembedded-root/QtEmbedded-0 'd' |
| 23:13:25 | Onyx4 | Error 22 Invalid argument |
| 23:13:25 | Onyx4 | Cannot get display lock |
| 23:13:25 | daralc | http://arachni.kiwi.uni-hamburg.de/~harlekin/op2/ ? |
| 23:13:33 | Dessimat0r | w00t, can i have an expert point plz mods |
| 23:14:21 | noda | daralc: Yeah... |
| 23:14:28 | daralc | which one |
| 23:14:37 | noda | daralc: Which one what? |
| 23:15:12 | daralc | which ipkg |
| 23:15:15 | w00t | que? |
| 23:15:36 | w00t | Dessimat0r: what? |
| 23:15:45 | noda | daralc: I still don't understand :) |
| 23:16:24 | Xentac | is away: dinner |
| 23:17:12 | daralc | which ikg file or w/e there |
| 23:17:35 | Dessimat0r | hmm |
| 23:17:38 | Dessimat0r | libqpe |
| 23:17:40 | Dessimat0r | i need it |
| 23:18:04 | nishi | doods another installation question |
| 23:18:05 | Fatbum | Dessimat0r you wanted a who what? |
| 23:18:11 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:18:50 | noda | daralc: http://www.adamhooper.com;4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 23:18:54 | noda | daralc: It'll tell ya there. |
| 23:19:02 | nishi | i have been having a nightmare with trying to install apps with the latest OZ from Sat Sep 28 |
| 23:19:41 | Dessimat0r | libqpe, where do i get it? |
| 23:19:42 | nishi | can't install a single app to CF |
| 23:19:46 | Onyx4 | nishi: I think you're just having to adapt to OZ in general, it's not something specific to that initrd :) |
| 23:19:51 | Dessimat0r | is it part of libopie |
| 23:19:53 | Dessimat0r | or w00t? |
| 23:19:54 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:19:58 | nishi | guess so onyx |
| 23:20:05 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 23:20:06 | nishi | i like it |
| 23:20:31 | nishi | its a commendable piece of work by all involved |
| 23:20:46 | nishi | whats the feed address for the latest OZ can never remember |
| 23:21:15 | nishi | I am always getting an error on trying to install ...Error : run ipkg update |
| 23:21:24 | nishi | ^can^ I can |
| 23:21:38 | Onyx4 | yes you need to edit /etc/ipkg.conf and set the right feed address |
| 23:21:59 | Onyx4 | then do ipkg update or when you go in the software manager, into the menu there is a "update" command |
| 23:22:20 | nishi | whats the feed addres ? let me bookmark it this time :) |
| 23:22:41 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:22:44 | Dessimat0r | libqpe, where do i get it? |
| 23:22:51 | Dessimat0r | i cannot find it anywhere |
| 23:22:58 | Dessimat0r | yet the pagae complains it cannot find it |
| 23:23:01 | Dessimat0r | package |
| 23:23:27 | | i guess optimized is new fully optmized opie/qte oz release at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ or update from the feed (tested from 2.9.5.5) http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ |
| 23:23:27 | Onyx4 | ibot: optimized |
| 23:23:30 | | well, zfi is the zaurus feed index, similar to zsi, but for feeds. It is available at http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ or updated hourly and lists the latest packages from all feeds in its system |
| 23:23:30 | Fatbum | ibot zfi |
| 23:23:46 | daralc | hey |
| 23:23:57 | | Dessimat0r: what? |
| 23:23:57 | Dessimat0r | ibot libqpe |
| 23:23:58 | nishi | thx onyx |
| 23:24:02 | daralc | how can i make it where it always enters the yellow things like when i press a button without holding shift/etc |
| 23:24:04 | | hmmm... qpe is now qtopia, but opie is a binary compatable, and more well developed fork of the qtopia codebase |
| 23:24:04 | Dessimat0r | ibot qpe |
| 23:25:15 | Dessimat0r | w00p, i forced the dependancies |
| 23:25:16 | Dessimat0r | it worked |
| 23:25:31 | daralc | how can i make it where it always enters the yellow things like when i press a button without holding shift/fn |
| 23:25:59 | Dessimat0r | by the way |
| 23:26:06 | Dessimat0r | does delete icon also get rid of the file? |
| 23:26:16 | Dessimat0r | as delete does not get rid of the icon |
| 23:26:19 | Dessimat0r | or do both have to be used?! |
| 23:26:26 | daralc | more specifically, how do i turn this "feature" off so i can enter characters again on the keyboard |
| 23:26:53 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:26:55 | Dessimat0r | thats easy |
| 23:27:01 | Dessimat0r | press Fn |
| 23:27:05 | cranch | time to /pester kergoth |
| 23:27:06 | cranch | :) |
| 23:27:08 | Dessimat0r | then press /? key |
| 23:27:20 | Dessimat0r | then it will go into higher fuction lock mode |
| 23:27:29 | Dessimat0r | do it again to egt out of it |
| 23:27:30 | Dessimat0r | get |
| 23:28:53 | Dessimat0r | anyone noticed that the ftp is more responsive on OZ? |
| 23:28:59 | Fatbum | not me' |
| 23:29:10 | Fatbum | cant even get to the internet thru my adhoc wireless |
| 23:29:10 | Dessimat0r | b4 it was lagging like hell |
| 23:29:11 | Dessimat0r | for me |
| 23:29:12 | noda | I don't use it. |
| 23:29:12 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:29:29 | noda | Dessimat0r: ssh (and scp) come default with OZ. |
| 23:34:22 | daralc | :o |
| 23:34:33 | cranch | if only OZ worked :) |
| 23:34:41 | noda | ? |
| 23:34:49 | kergoth`argh | cranch: ? |
| 23:34:51 | kergoth`argh | heh |
| 23:34:52 | noda | That's what this channel's for! What's the prob? |
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| 23:35:16 | TheMasterMind1 | what bastards |
| 23:35:18 | kergoth`argh | TheMasterMind1: dood |
| 23:35:22 | kergoth`argh | TheMasterMind1: #flood exists for a reason |
| 23:35:25 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:35:28 | daralc | i pressed 'fn' but i still can't |
| 23:35:49 | cranch | things working better tonight? |
| 23:35:56 | kergoth`argh | cranch: no |
| 23:36:01 | kergoth`argh | cranch: i'm at work 2 hours late |
| 23:36:18 | cranch | that sucks |
| 23:36:19 | cranch | GO HOME :) |
| 23:36:22 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:36:23 | TheMasterMind1 | he can't |
| 23:36:23 | kergoth`argh | i would |
| 23:36:24 | cranch | work is overated |
| 23:36:26 | kergoth`argh | be ive got a deadline |
| 23:36:27 | cranch | haha |
| 23:36:28 | kergoth`argh | i need this shit done |
| 23:36:32 | TheMasterMind1 | deadline |
| 23:36:33 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:36:33 | cranch | oh...nevermind then :) |
| 23:36:34 | cranch | get after it |
| 23:36:37 | kergoth`argh | i am |
| 23:36:37 | TheMasterMind1 | and he's a techsupport agent |
| 23:36:41 | kergoth`argh | i'm waiting for my scripts to finish |
| 23:36:44 | kergoth`argh | when they're done, i'm done |
| 23:36:46 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 23:36:53 | kergoth`argh | i love scripting |
| 23:36:54 | daralc | how can i make it where it always enters the yellow things like when i press a button without holding shift/fn |
| 23:36:55 | kergoth`argh | saves so much time |
| 23:36:56 | daralc | more specifically, how do i turn this "feature" off so i can enter characters again on the keyboard |
| 23:37:02 | kergoth`argh | daralc: use the lock |
| 23:37:08 | kergoth`argh | daralc: dood, read your zaurus manual |
| 23:37:08 | TheMasterMind1 | daralc: smack it |
| 23:37:13 | kergoth`argh | heh |
| 23:37:17 | daralc | the lock? |
| 23:37:17 | kergoth`argh | PicoBot: emulate kergoth |
| 23:37:17 | PicoBot | mutters about buildsystems and tells random people to rtfm. |
| 23:37:51 | Dessimat0r | i just told him up there |
| 23:37:55 | Dessimat0r | he dosent want to read, it seems |
| 23:37:57 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:38:01 | kergoth`argh | apparently |
| 23:38:06 | noda | Finally! QT2's done! I just about finished the original levelset in lbreakout2 :P |
| 23:38:19 | daralc | Dessimat0r: or, perhaps, i read that and tried it |
| 23:38:25 | noda | prays this works. |
| 23:38:30 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:38:31 | Dessimat0r | well it works |
| 23:38:35 | Dessimat0r | so you cant have done |
| 23:38:39 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:38:42 | noda | Oh, for fuck's sake... |
| 23:38:51 | | Somewhere in Tenafly, New Jersey, a chiropractor is viewing "Leave it |
| 23:38:51 | kergoth`argh | ibot yow |
| 23:38:56 | kergoth`argh | what? |
| 23:38:57 | kergoth`argh | lol |
| 23:38:59 | | But was he mature enough last night at the lesbian masquerade? |
| 23:38:59 | kergoth`argh | ibot yow |
| 23:38:59 | noda | Oh, phew, just have to set my LD_LIBRARY_PATH :P |
| 23:39:02 | Dessimat0r | press shit and then press ?/ button |
| 23:39:04 | kergoth`argh | aha |
| 23:39:05 | Dessimat0r | shift |
| 23:39:06 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:39:23 | kergoth`argh | hm |
| 23:39:25 | kergoth`argh | press shit! |
| 23:39:32 | noda | kergooooooooooooth! |
| 23:39:41 | daralc | ok that def did not work |
| 23:39:44 | noda | /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20020928/bin/uic: relocation error: /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20020928/bin/uic: undefined symbol: _7QString.shared_null |
| 23:39:48 | kergoth`argh | aha |
| 23:39:51 | kergoth`argh | thats ugly as hell |
| 23:39:57 | noda | kergoth`argh: PLEASE don't tell me I have to recompile all of QT2 with gcc-2.95.3? |
| 23:40:03 | noda | please please please :) |
| 23:40:04 | Dessimat0r | works for me, unless your keys are broken |
| 23:40:06 | kergoth`argh | noda: uhm, thatd be lame |
| 23:40:09 | kergoth`argh | noda: hrm |
| 23:40:10 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:40:12 | kergoth`argh | noda: problem is |
| 23:40:14 | kergoth`argh | noda: we need uic |
| 23:40:21 | kergoth`argh | noda: and whats worse, we need qt2 uic |
| 23:40:21 | daralc | there it gos |
| 23:40:22 | kergoth`argh | heh |
| 23:40:23 | daralc | goes |
| 23:40:27 | kergoth`argh | noda: qt/e build doesnt compile uic |
| 23:40:29 | noda | kergoth`argh: I just compiled qt2. But with gcc-3.3 |
| 23:40:38 | Dessimat0r | uic = The Ultimate Icon Collection created by Dessimat0r? ;) |
| 23:40:43 | | kergoth`argh: i'm not following you... |
| 23:40:43 | kergoth`argh | ibot uic |
| 23:40:44 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks noda with apt-get |
| 23:40:49 | | OK, kergoth`argh. |
| 23:40:49 | kergoth`argh | ibot uic is user interface compiler |
| 23:40:50 | noda | frowns. |
| 23:40:52 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:41:12 | kergoth`argh | smacks Dessimat0r with a sa1110 reference manual |
| 23:41:19 | ljp | uic = uber internet connection |
| 23:41:20 | noda | So... what do I do now? It looks like there is a uic in /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20020928/bin/uic... |
| 23:41:29 | kergoth`argh | noda: yeah |
| 23:41:35 | kergoth`argh | noda: you need libs for it htough |
| 23:41:43 | kergoth`argh | noda: we should include libs that work with it in there as well |
| 23:41:44 | kergoth`argh | noda: heh |
| 23:41:47 | noda | I've got libs in /usr/local/qt2/lib - that's why it's giving a different error now. |
| 23:41:48 | kergoth`argh | noda: or compile qt/x11 in the buildroot |
| 23:42:07 | hardwire | augh |
| 23:42:12 | noda | kergoth`argh: I think it's because I've got incompatible libraries (one compiled with 2.95.3, one with gcc-3.3 |
| 23:42:14 | hardwire | don'cha hate it when you are on the job |
| 23:42:14 | noda | ) |
| 23:42:25 | hardwire | and somebody hands you a 30oz cup of great beer |
| 23:42:29 | Fatbum | i just got the w00t on ebay! |
| 23:42:30 | kergoth`argh | hardwire: fuck no |
| 23:42:35 | Dessimat0r | uic - under investigation by Cia |
| 23:42:35 | kergoth`argh | hardwire: and how often does that happen? |
| 23:42:37 | Dessimat0r | lmao |
| 23:42:43 | kergoth`argh | hardwire: not often to me, thats for damn sure |
| 23:42:47 | hardwire | kergoth`argh every time I go work for this place |
| 23:42:55 | hardwire | its either wisky and coke |
| 23:42:55 | Fatbum | haha |
| 23:42:56 | Fatbum | cool |
| 23:42:57 | hardwire | or fat tire |
| 23:43:05 | kergoth`argh | haha |
| 23:43:06 | hardwire | 30oz if whisky and coke |
| 23:43:09 | kergoth`argh | i need to work there |
| 23:43:09 | hardwire | bah |
| 23:43:12 | noda | Wow, don't you love it when a roomate just pops into your room with a plateful of food? Gotta go spend some quality time, later :) |
| 23:43:12 | hardwire | hehheh |
| 23:43:12 | Fatbum | my wlan card draws 17ma at standy :-) |
| 23:43:16 | Dessimat0r | shit, my zaurus has frozen |
| 23:43:19 | Dessimat0r | for no reason |
| 23:43:39 | Dessimat0r | in the middle of ftp |
| 23:44:01 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:44:06 | Dessimat0r | the switch on the back worked ;) |
| 23:44:16 | Dessimat0r | thank god!!! |
| 23:44:24 | ljp | 's cat is hunting... be vewy vewy quiet |
| 23:44:36 | Dessimat0r | i must saw, the startup of the zaurus is a masterpiece ;) |
| 23:44:37 | kergoth`argh | ljp: is it hunting wabbits? |
| 23:44:41 | Dessimat0r | say |
| 23:44:45 | ljp | no.. birds |
| 23:45:02 | ljp | I had a wolf-dog that hunted wabbits |
| 23:45:08 | kergoth`argh | this fucking script. is taking a *long* time |
| 23:46:23 | ljp | hmmm erase ramdisk |
| 23:47:54 | hardwire | pussy |
| 23:48:14 | kergoth`argh | hahashguahsitioashdgi |
| 23:48:17 | kergoth`argh | !@%#!^#@^!^@$#^!@#^!@^@$#^$#&Y$^*# |
| 23:48:23 | hardwire | pussy |
| 23:48:23 | TheMasterMind1 | no. |
| 23:48:27 | kergoth`argh | punches the cube wall |
| 23:48:32 | hardwire | hmm |
| 23:48:38 | hardwire | pussy seems to have quite a reaction with kergoth |
| 23:48:42 | kergoth`argh | i'm at work |
| 23:48:43 | ljp | cubes are overrated |
| 23:48:44 | kergoth`argh | 2 hours fucking late |
| 23:48:46 | kergoth`argh | running a script |
| 23:48:49 | kergoth`argh | waiting anxiously |
| 23:48:51 | kergoth`argh | so i can fucking go home |
| 23:48:53 | kergoth`argh | [clarson@techweb support]$ cat ../noerrorfiles | ../wrap.pl |
| 23:48:55 | kergoth`argh | template 1 is </backup-home/devel/tmp/1.template.txt |
| 23:48:57 | TheMasterMind1 | its in an infinite loop? |
| 23:48:58 | kergoth`argh | Out of memory! |
| 23:49:00 | kergoth`argh | Broken pipe |
| 23:49:03 | kergoth`argh | when it fuckign does that to me |
| 23:49:04 | TheMasterMind1 | ouch |
| 23:49:08 | ljp | free some memory, dude |
| 23:49:11 | ljp | heh |
| 23:49:20 | TheMasterMind1 | what's this script doing? |
| 23:49:32 | TheMasterMind1 | and what happen to ssh ? |
| 23:49:39 | kergoth`argh | sighs |
| 23:49:42 | kergoth`argh | this blows |
| 23:50:06 | TheMasterMind1 | i agree |
| 23:51:03 | Fatbum | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2056824961&rd=1 |
| 23:51:04 | Fatbum | woot |
| 23:51:52 | daralc | http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/pda works good for start page |
| 23:56:10 | hardwire | max is fingering |
| 23:56:12 | hardwire | fingering my fritos |
| 23:56:15 | hardwire | fingering my beer |
| 23:56:19 | hardwire | fingering my.. johnny |
| 23:57:00 | hardwire | cats don't like being called grumps |
| 23:57:13 | hardwire | Hey Grumpy! |
| 23:57:16 | hardwire | retracts hand |
| 23:59:03 | ljp | cats dont like to be fingered either |
| 23:59:12 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:59:42 | ljp | heh celebratey bootcamp |
