| 00:00:58 | prpplague | hmm, now i get "not thing to be done for `packages/tinyx` |
| 00:01:25 | cerezu | TheMasterMind1: when I can get xp to detect it in the cradle instead of USB Device not recognized, I'll try that command. |
| 00:01:41 | cerezu | finally. |
| 00:01:52 | TheMasterMind1 | you'll need usbdnet module to do it in linux |
| 00:02:13 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 00:02:28 | [DrEvil] | gets grumpy about qt-2.3.4-snapshot |
| 00:02:47 | cerezu | TheMasterMind1: ok. |
| 00:03:18 | cerezu | TheMasterMind1: It's in the cradle, XP detected it, I can ping 192.168.1.1, but not 192.168.1.2 |
| 00:03:33 | NetNut404 | I am still trying to tell what kind of images I can put in the background |
| 00:04:12 | TheMasterMind1 | you can ping from where...? |
| 00:04:17 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds like your netmask is fucked |
| 00:04:21 | TheMasterMind1 | [DrEvil]: ? |
| 00:04:46 | cerezu | TheMasterMind1: ok, the ifconfig cmd worked correctly now |
| 00:05:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 00:05:02 | cerezu | TheMasterMind1: FUCKING FINALLY! It now works, I can ping the zaurus on 192.168.1.2 |
| 00:05:11 | [DrEvil] | why can't it just do a CVS co/up instead of downloading a new copy all the time |
| 00:05:14 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 00:05:19 | cerezu | TheMasterMind1: something was fucked, lol. Got me damn scared, though I bought the 2 cards for nothing. lol. |
| 00:05:22 | TheMasterMind1 | [DrEvil]: heh |
| 00:05:27 | TheMasterMind1 | because its not cvs? |
| 00:05:29 | TheMasterMind1 | its a tar.gz file |
| 00:05:52 | kergoth` | fuck me |
| 00:05:55 | [DrEvil] | it is annoying on a modem |
| 00:05:57 | kergoth` | bug in the buildroot |
| 00:06:10 | TheMasterMind1 | surprise surprise |
| 00:06:19 | kergoth` | just relating to clean targets |
| 00:06:19 | [DrEvil] | I'd rather have the incremental updates |
| 00:06:24 | kergoth` | i'm documenting all the targets inthe buildroot |
| 00:06:36 | [DrEvil] | kergoth`: say it isn't so |
| 00:06:38 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: TT doesnt have a public cvs repos for qt/e snapshots |
| 00:06:46 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 00:06:48 | [DrEvil] | grrrr |
| 00:06:57 | [DrEvil] | do they have diffs for the snapshots? |
| 00:07:03 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 00:07:07 | TheMasterMind1 | just daily snapshots |
| 00:07:10 | TheMasterMind1 | we update weekly |
| 00:07:11 | TheMasterMind1 | or have to anyway |
| 00:07:18 | TheMasterMind1 | actually |
| 00:07:26 | TheMasterMind1 | they only keep like 5 days of back snapshots |
| 00:07:31 | TheMasterMind1 | anyway |
| 00:07:33 | TheMasterMind1 | i sleep now |
| 00:07:34 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 00:07:57 | cerezu | alright, use optimized? |
| 00:08:15 | cerezu | what's the diff between 2.9.5.5 and optimized? |
| 00:08:25 | kergoth` | cerezu: a shitload of packages |
| 00:08:38 | kergoth` | cerezu: you should upgrade from the feed regardless of which initrd.bin you flash with |
| 00:09:26 | cerezu | kergoth: hrm, ok. so I should use the zImage that I got and the updated initrd.bin? |
| 00:09:44 | NetNut404 | hmm I run this email app that I got off the package manager, and it just never opens |
| 00:10:10 | cerezu | is it a console program, like pine? or qt/opie? |
| 00:10:38 | NetNut404 | no.. not a console app |
| 00:11:10 | NetNut404 | I think it was just a mail applet |
| 00:11:25 | NetNut404 | maybe it's pointed at nothing I dunno |
| 00:11:26 | cerezu | got java runtime loaded? |
| 00:11:52 | NetNut404 | dunno.. do I have to install that for it to work? |
| 00:11:59 | [DrEvil] | wonders how long before there are ipks of the latest bluez |
| 00:12:12 | cerezu | I think so. |
| 00:12:32 | NetNut404 | is java runtime in the feed? and if so what's it called? |
| 00:12:49 | hardwire | I want me a beer |
| 00:12:50 | | feed is, like, a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 00:12:50 | cerezu | ibot feed |
| 00:12:52 | kergoth` | um, oz doesnt have a jre |
| 00:12:54 | kergoth` | hardwire: get a beer |
| 00:13:34 | cerezu | kergoth: should I update to optimized? |
| 00:13:41 | kergoth` | cerezu: i told you, it doesnt matter |
| 00:13:41 | cerezu | kergoth: reflash that is? |
| 00:13:52 | kergoth` | cerezu: if you upgrade from the feed, you'll be newer than optimized anyway |
| 00:13:57 | ljp | the oz java is called "I want a beer?"? |
| 00:14:02 | kergoth` | cerezu: you should upgrade from the feed regardless ofw hich you use |
| 00:14:09 | cerezu | kergoth: ok. |
| 00:14:16 | cerezu | kergoth: so reflash from the feed then? |
| 00:14:19 | NetNut404 | needs java |
| 00:14:27 | kergoth` | um |
| 00:14:28 | cerezu | kergoth: because of all the bug fixes? |
| 00:14:32 | kergoth` | cerezu: feed != image |
| 00:14:36 | kergoth` | cerezu: feed = package feed |
| 00:14:44 | kergoth` | cerezu: you dont flash ipks |
| 00:14:48 | kergoth` | cerezu: you install them |
| 00:14:50 | chouimat | ljp: the problem with that java vm is you need to have at least 18 yrs to use it |
| 00:14:59 | cerezu | kergoth: yes, I know. But what are talking about updating then? |
| 00:15:05 | kergoth` | ugh |
| 00:15:07 | NetNut404 | had a java app before I swiched to oz that does not show up as a result I think |
| 00:15:09 | kergoth` | you can install packages from a feed |
| 00:15:22 | kergoth` | you want to upgrade yourself to the latest packages from the feed with 'ipkg update; ipkg upgrade;' regardless |
| 00:15:25 | cerezu | kergoth: are you talking about updating the packages, or OZ itself? |
| 00:15:32 | kergoth` | cerezu: you dont get it |
| 00:15:39 | kergoth` | cerezu: all an initrd.bin *is* is a set of preinstalled ipks |
| 00:15:44 | kergoth` | cerezu: OZ *IS* packages |
| 00:15:44 | cerezu | kergoth: will that work if my zaurus does not have internet? |
| 00:15:54 | kergoth` | cerezu: you can download them and install them from a cf card |
| 00:16:26 | NetNut404 | my zaurus has internet now.. I just need to know what packages I need |
| 00:16:27 | cerezu | kergoth: alright, OZ IS PACKAGES, and optimized is enhanced versions of those packages?, and the feed *updated packages* is up-to-date packages, that I Should update from? |
| 00:16:36 | kergoth` | ? |
| 00:16:47 | kergoth` | cerezu: you upgrade to the latest versions of the oz packages regardless of where they come from |
| 00:16:59 | kergoth` | cerezu: the OZ feed is now more up to date than the optimized feed |
| 00:17:09 | cerezu | kergoth: alright, so update from the feed? |
| 00:17:13 | kergoth` | cerezu: the optimized feed is not special, its just a set of packages built on a certain date from source |
| 00:17:20 | kergoth` | cerezu: yes. update from the feed regardless of which initrd.bin you flash |
| 00:17:23 | cerezu | kergoth: just like 2.9.5.5? |
| 00:17:31 | kergoth` | ? |
| 00:17:39 | prpplague | kergoth`: i can do a make from the packages/tinyx dir with no problems, yet if i go to ${TOPDIR} and do a make packages/tinyx i get nothing |
| 00:17:57 | cerezu | kergoth: is optimized a collection of packages, and is that different from an actual version of OZ itself? such as 2.9.5.5 at SF? |
| 00:18:08 | kergoth` | cerezu: 2.9.5.5 is just an image created as of a certain date |
| 00:18:21 | kergoth` | cerezu: optimized is an image created as of a later date, it contains newer versions of some packages |
| 00:18:26 | cerezu | kergoth: ok. So the feed is more up-to-date than 2.9.5.5 then? |
| 00:18:36 | kergoth` | cerezu: yes, and its more up to date than optimized as well |
| 00:18:42 | kergoth` | cerezu: they're both old, so both should be upgraded |
| 00:18:47 | cerezu | kergoth: alright, so there is no actual "OZ" version |
| 00:18:56 | kergoth` | cerezu: in other words, exactly what i said earlier. you should upgrade from the feed regardless of which initrd.bin you install |
| 00:18:58 | kergoth` | cerezu: wrong |
| 00:19:16 | kergoth` | cerezu: OZ version 2.9.5.5 is the version assigned to a full set of oz packages preinstalled into an image as of a certain date |
| 00:19:26 | cerezu | kergoth: ... confusing ... so.. .confusing lol. the OZ version would be a set of packages at a certain date? |
| 00:19:27 | prpplague | kergoth`: ahh need to edit the Makefile in packages |
| 00:19:33 | kergoth` | cerezu: yes |
| 00:19:44 | cerezu | kergoth: sorry that I'm being difficult, hehe |
| 00:19:44 | kergoth` | cerezu: so when i release a new version, that will be the version built as of the date that i build it |
| 00:19:51 | kergoth` | prpplague: yup |
| 00:20:13 | cerezu | kergoth: for example, you release 3.0 in January. That would be a release of a certain date (January) updated packages since 2.9.5.5 and this current feed. |
| 00:20:35 | kergoth` | cerezu: well, its the version of the packages built from soruce as of a certain date |
| 00:20:41 | kergoth` | cerezu: it will have no relation to 2.9.5.5 directly |
| 00:21:01 | kergoth` | cerezu: both 2.9.5.5 and 3.0 will be builds as of a certain date. its just the date for 3.0 is newer than 2.9.5.5, and hence has more updated packages |
| 00:22:20 | prpplague | kergoth`: think that CONVERSION doc will be the first thing i update :) |
| 00:22:33 | kergoth` | prpplague: hehe. |
| 00:22:42 | | ACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to rtfm or tells ibot to tell people to RTFM |
| 00:22:42 | chouimat | ibot: emulate kergoth |
| 00:22:46 | prpplague | kergoth`: btw the way i have 6 pages of email almost ready to send to digi |
| 00:22:56 | chouimat | PicoBot: emulate kergoth |
| 00:22:58 | PicoBot | mutters about buildsystems and tells random people to rtfm. |
| 00:23:05 | chouimat | PicoBot: emulate chouimat |
| 00:23:06 | PicoBot | kergoth: make docs! |
| 00:23:53 | [DrEvil] | stop abusing kergoth |
| 00:24:10 | cerezu | kergoth: once I get ics working, then do ipkg update? |
| 00:24:36 | kergoth` | cerezu: yes, and then ipkg upgrade |
| 00:25:32 | cerezu | kergoth: ipkg is like rpm, right? or installpkg? (duh) lol |
| 00:25:44 | kergoth` | ipkg is a package manager |
| 00:25:46 | kergoth` | as is rpm and dpkg and others |
| 00:25:57 | kergoth` | ipkg is just made for a smaller device, as its less of a resource hog |
| 00:26:02 | [DrEvil] | ipkg is a "lite" package system |
| 00:26:13 | cerezu | ahh. |
| 00:26:18 | cerezu | is there more compression in ipkg's? |
| 00:26:28 | kergoth` | ? |
| 00:26:30 | kergoth` | no |
| 00:26:45 | [DrEvil] | they are tar.gz files |
| 00:26:47 | cerezu | or is it less to be less of a resource hog? |
| 00:26:50 | cerezu | oh. |
| 00:26:53 | chouimat | going to read docs^H^H^H^H a book |
| 00:26:55 | kergoth` | cerezu: package size is irrelevent |
| 00:27:00 | chouimat | :) |
| 00:27:05 | kergoth` | cerezu: it takes less memory and less storage space to operate |
| 00:27:16 | cerezu | ok. |
| 00:27:19 | kergoth` | cerezu: other package managers cache things, use of space in ways that one really shouldnt on a small device |
| 00:27:34 | cerezu | kergoth: ah. |
| 00:27:48 | cerezu | also, would anyone recommend the book "programming embedded systems in c and c++" ? |
| 00:27:55 | kergoth` | never read it |
| 00:28:03 | kergoth` | never read any embedded book, actually |
| 00:28:07 | kergoth` | do you know c? |
| 00:28:13 | cerezu | heh, yeah |
| 00:28:14 | kergoth` | what are you looking to learn, exactly? |
| 00:28:30 | cerezu | I know, c, c++, perl, python, java, vb, and assembly |
| 00:28:35 | cerezu | some assembly, anyway |
| 00:29:16 | cerezu | well, just some concepts to do with embedded systems (the zaurus) for example, like the concept you just talked about, less resources (cache) as to rpm which uses a LOT and shouldnt be used on the zaurus or a small device |
| 00:30:03 | kergoth` | there are web resources on concerns when developing for a small device, but its mostly common sense |
| 00:30:12 | kergoth` | it has less memory, therefore you need to be conservative with allocation |
| 00:30:23 | kergoth` | it has less storage, which means dont store things that you dont need to |
| 00:30:32 | kergoth` | it has a small screen, which means the UI needs to be designed with that in mind |
| 00:30:38 | chouimat | cerezu: O'reilley? |
| 00:30:41 | cerezu | quick question, does OZ have the ability to press the /? button on Wait.. or whatever, so you can go directly into a console? |
| 00:30:49 | cerezu | chouimat: yeah |
| 00:31:02 | kergoth` | cerezu: no, just run Settings and hit terminate opie |
| 00:31:03 | chouimat | cerezu: never reading but seems good |
| 00:31:07 | kergoth` | cerezu: exiting opie will return you to a console |
| 00:31:38 | Dessimat0r | if that dosent work, kill opie-login, then kill qt |
| 00:31:39 | cerezu | kergoth: how do you start opie again? |
| 00:31:45 | kergoth` | cerezu: /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 00:31:49 | cerezu | k |
| 00:31:57 | chouimat | cerezu: maybe other editors have book on embedded systems but they cost more |
| 00:32:15 | cerezu | chouimat: yeah, i know, there is even ones on developing for embedix embedded linux systems. |
| 00:32:51 | cerezu | chouimat: I want to get it, but I would rather have Applied Cryptography and the 3 volumes of The Art of Computer Programming |
| 00:32:52 | noda | Moo! |
| 00:33:03 | prpplague | poo |
| 00:33:18 | chouimat | cerezu: I saw another one but I can remember the title. Got The Art of Computer Programming |
| 00:33:25 | NetNut404 | so do you have to have java installed for mail to work, and where in the feed is java? |
| 00:33:34 | chouimat | noda meow!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:34:02 | kergoth` | argh |
| 00:34:04 | kergoth` | growls |
| 00:34:22 | chouimat | kergoth`: ?? |
| 00:34:40 | cerezu | kergoth: this stinks lol, I'm connected through a router, and my zaurus is connected, but if I use ICS, XP will set my ip address to 192.168.0.1 which is the ip address of my router!! ...errr. |
| 00:35:00 | cerezu | kergoth: is there a manual way to upgrade from the feed? any non-freaky complicated way that doesn't take hours? |
| 00:35:04 | noda | cerezu: Ouch. Try plugging the zaurus into the router? :) |
| 00:35:16 | cerezu | noda: don't have a cf network card |
| 00:35:22 | kergoth` | cerezu: download the ipks. put them on a cf card, upgrade it |
| 00:35:26 | noda | cerezu: You'll have to install the usbdnet driver, but it works with usb. Unstable, but it works. |
| 00:35:38 | cerezu | noda: it is. |
| 00:36:02 | cerezu | noda: as I just said, XP won't work with ICS for the zaurus since it will set my ip address to the address of my router. |
| 00:36:17 | noda | cerezu: If you plug the zaurus into the router you won't need to turn on ICS in XP. |
| 00:36:52 | cerezu | noda: I dont have a cf network card.. |
| 00:37:07 | cerezu | kergoth: is there a way to enable telnet or install telnet? |
| 00:37:07 | noda | cerezu: Does your router have a USB port? |
| 00:37:16 | cerezu | noda: no. |
| 00:37:23 | noda | Or is it one of those router-inna-box thingies... |
| 00:39:40 | paq | hi |
| 00:40:35 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: did ya say anything? |
| 00:40:37 | kergoth` | cerezu: find telnetd packages. and why bother? telnet is a shitty protocol |
| 00:40:44 | kergoth` | heh |
| 00:40:52 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: telnet? shitty? its called oldschool baby! |
| 00:40:59 | kergoth` | and shitty. |
| 00:41:03 | noda | Very shitty :) |
| 00:41:05 | kergoth` | I've written telnet implementations, and its shitty. |
| 00:41:07 | hvarotto | hello, mind if I ask a newbie question ? |
| 00:41:08 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: hehe |
| 00:41:24 | kergoth` | hvarotto: dont ask to ask, just ask. |
| 00:41:26 | noda | hvarotto: Just ask the friggin' question, as with any IRC channel. Nobody likes hearing "can I ask a question?" |
| 00:41:34 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: I do agree, but I want telnet, lol |
| 00:41:42 | kergoth` | noda: you know, someday i'm going to answer NO |
| 00:41:46 | kergoth` | noda: when they ask to ask |
| 00:41:47 | kergoth` | noda: :) |
| 00:41:48 | paq | kergoth` - hi, what's the best way to apt-get upgrade a 2.9.5 rom? i tried installing (manually) ipkg (went fine)... then opie-base...t hen it crapped out, dumped me to console (but no more keyboard lockup) |
| 00:41:50 | hvarotto | hey, I'm just new to this IRC stuff |
| 00:41:54 | noda | kergoth`: I'm tempted every time :) |
| 00:42:11 | kergoth` | paq: dont upgrade opie-base from within opie, drop to console, login as root, and run ipkg upgrade |
| 00:42:13 | noda | hvarotto: Now you know :) |
| 00:42:32 | paq | kergoth` - ok, is there any other ipkgs that i need to install from outside opie? |
| 00:42:39 | hvarotto | OK, I tried to do an ipkg upgrade today of OZ 3 |
| 00:42:57 | hvarotto | and everything went fine, until it restarted OPIE |
| 00:43:06 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: where can I get telnetd packages? |
| 00:43:15 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: look around. zsi, zfi, ipkgfind |
| 00:43:17 | | i guess zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 00:43:17 | kergoth` | ibot zsi |
| 00:43:19 | | somebody said zfi was the zaurus feed index, similar to zsi, but for feeds. It is available at http://zfi.zaurii.com/. It is updated hourly and lists the latest packages from all feeds in its system. |
| 00:43:19 | kergoth` | ibot zfi |
| 00:43:20 | hvarotto | where I found two things: 1 - my stylus wasn;t working (dead completely) |
| 00:43:21 | | i heard ipkgfind was at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org or at http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/ |
| 00:43:21 | kergoth` | ibot ipkgfind |
| 00:43:33 | kergoth` | hvarotto: sounds like you installed the fbvncserver |
| 00:43:48 | hvarotto | and 2 - my network is not working anymore (the wireless card is detected though) |
| 00:43:59 | hvarotto | ANy advice ? What files should I check /. |
| 00:44:04 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 00:44:16 | [DrEvil] | this modzaurus thing looks good |
| 00:44:17 | kergoth` | hvarotto: the wireless drivers are in flux. |
| 00:44:22 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: modzaurus? |
| 00:44:46 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 00:44:51 | hvarotto | Mmh, I;m using WCD12, and it was orking perfectly with the build from Sept 28 |
| 00:44:56 | [DrEvil] | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=607 |
| 00:44:56 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: can I just tear apart the sharp image and take the package? |
| 00:45:01 | hvarotto | sorry, WCF12 (linksys) |
| 00:45:05 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: of course |
| 00:45:20 | kergoth` | hvarotto: as i said, the wireless drivers are in flux, and known broken atm. feel free to backrev them |
| 00:45:27 | kergoth` | hvarotto: i dont call the main feed 'unstable' for no reason :) |
| 00:45:29 | | well, oz feed is http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/ |
| 00:45:29 | kergoth` | ibot oz feed |
| 00:45:31 | [DrEvil] | I would need to add some more remove lists |
| 00:45:53 | hvarotto | sure, I understand, care to tell me which is the package that I need to revdown ? |
| 00:45:54 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: I forgot how you teared it apart |
| 00:46:32 | noda | So, what's new in OZ in the past weekend and a bit? :) |
| 00:47:27 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: or rather, could I mount the sharp image and just copy the package from the mount location? |
| 00:47:41 | noda | does a bk -r co -q and notices his hard drive chugging for ten minutes... |
| 00:47:51 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: loopback mount the sharp image. instructions are around, look for paul's sd-on-home rom |
| 00:48:21 | [DrEvil] | bitchkeeper |
| 00:48:38 | prpplague | kergoth`: why when i do a make clean does it remove dl'd source too? |
| 00:48:39 | noda | Ahhh. got all the changes. Is there a verbose way of doing this? |
| 00:49:01 | noda | And does my using bk restrict me from ever working on subversion? Or is it only project heads who have that problem? |
| 00:50:02 | kergoth` | prpplague: because make clean is designed to do that. run make clean-sourcetrees to remove the build dirs |
| 00:50:22 | kergoth` | noda: its the other way around. if you start developing on subversion, not just using it |
| 00:50:33 | kergoth` | noda: if you start *developing* on subversion, you no longer have a bk license |
| 00:50:49 | kergoth` | noda: using bk doesnt prevent you from developing on anything, its the other way around, due to the bk license |
| 00:51:13 | noda | kergoth`: Er, just to be clear: I can USE subversion, I can't do commits with it though? |
| 00:51:25 | kergoth` | noda: no. if you do *development* on *subversion itself* |
| 00:51:32 | noda | kergoth`: All right, that's what I thought. |
| 00:51:38 | noda | That sucks, what if I find a bug with it... |
| 00:51:42 | kergoth` | noda: from what i understand, its the *developing* for a competing product, not *using* a competiing project |
| 00:51:48 | noda | Gotcha. |
| 00:52:02 | kergoth` | noda: a bug with subversion? then you cant develop on it to fix it. or if you do, you lose your bk license and will have to pay for one |
| 00:52:08 | kergoth` | noda: instead of using the free license you had |
| 00:52:10 | kergoth` | k |
| 00:52:21 | noda | lol, fucking rediculous. That's the proprietery software world for ya :) |
| 00:52:41 | kergoth` | noda: they're a commercial enterprise. they dotn have to give us free licenses at all |
| 00:52:45 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok thanks, i just don't recall it operating in that manner on the old buildroot |
| 00:52:47 | kergoth` | noda: but they do, so they get to decide the terms |
| 00:52:48 | noda | (I mean, I can't blame bk for doing that, but it just goes to show why people use OSS) |
| 00:53:14 | kergoth` | just the way capitalism works. i dont see a problem with it, its just how business is. |
| 00:53:32 | noda | Yeah, I know. As a user I prefer GPL apps, even if proprietery ones are free and slightly better. |
| 00:53:43 | kergoth` | I can see that |
| 00:53:49 | noda | I understand that bk is MUCH better than cvs though, and svn isn't all that close to completion. |
| 00:53:59 | noda | Ah well, that's the way things go :) |
| 00:54:01 | kergoth` | myself, I use whatever meets my needs. if that means i buy something commercial, hey, i'll do it |
| 00:54:10 | kergoth` | but in general i use OSS alternatives if they eixst |
| 00:54:57 | chouimat | fon't understand the kergoth` and noda conversation |
| 00:55:13 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: if I have a program that uses telnet, if telnet isn't installed on the zaurus, the implentation will not work, correct? |
| 00:55:15 | kergoth` | chouimat: read up on the bitkeeper license :) |
| 00:55:29 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: um |
| 00:55:32 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: like waht? |
| 00:55:39 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: i dont know of a single app that requries the telnet binary |
| 00:55:40 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: a server program. |
| 00:55:46 | noda | chouimat: If you use bk's free license you cannot contribute to subversion, cvs, or any other similar competing projects. |
| 00:55:57 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: most other apps that use telnet use their own implementation, they do not call out to telnet |
| 00:56:01 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: what server program? |
| 00:56:11 | chouimat | noda: yurk! |
| 00:56:23 | kergoth` | noda, chouimat: you *can*, it just means that once you do, you have to pay to keep using bitkeeper |
| 00:56:25 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: but if telnet doesn't work on the zaurus, I cannot connect to that port? |
| 00:56:33 | noda | Right. |
| 00:56:34 | kergoth` | noda, chouimat: because your free license is thereby revoked. |
| 00:56:40 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: why would you? thats nonsensical |
| 00:56:52 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: why would I use telnet? |
| 00:56:52 | chouimat | kergoth`: ok will just made the svn contribution under the name of Bob |
| 00:56:52 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: dont connect to a port for which there is no server |
| 00:57:02 | kergoth` | chouimat: lol |
| 00:57:17 | noda | laughs. |
| 00:57:19 | chouimat | kergoth`: or John Doe |
| 00:57:56 | noda | kergoth`: Just making sure: The buildroot bk tree is free for you, right? |
| 00:57:57 | chouimat | kergoth`: is like the way to break M$ Reader encryption |
| 00:58:16 | kergoth` | noda: they give free hosting for the bk tree |
| 00:58:29 | kergoth` | noda: really, i could put it on any machine with a web server, and ssh if i want to allow pushes |
| 00:58:52 | noda | kergoth`: Ooh, they give free hosting too? That's nice. A kinda publicity stunt for them? |
| 00:58:58 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: the sharp rom has telnet implentation on it? |
| 00:59:00 | chouimat | kergoth`: I have a subversion server working here |
| 00:59:07 | noda | Well, not 'stunt' but you know what I mean. |
| 00:59:07 | kergoth` | noda: bkbits.net .. thats where hte official linux kenrel trees reside |
| 00:59:09 | kergoth` | noda: yep |
| 00:59:11 | noda | nods. |
| 00:59:25 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: sharp rom has a telnet server. a telnet server by definition has to implement the telnet protocol |
| 00:59:41 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: is there an ipk for that server somewhere? |
| 00:59:51 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: as i said, look on zsi, zfi, and ipkgfind |
| 00:59:58 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: i think we've been through this already |
| 01:00:03 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: why not use ssh? |
| 01:00:18 | chouimat | bbl moday evening porn movie |
| 01:00:20 | | noda: i'm not following you... |
| 01:00:20 | noda | ibot zsi telnetd |
| 01:00:23 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 01:00:23 | noda | ibot zsi |
| 01:00:38 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 01:00:38 | kergoth` | ibot search zsi for telnetd |
| 01:00:38 | prpplague | chouimat: wahoo |
| 01:00:38 | | bb 1.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=589 |
| 01:00:39 | | C-Kermit 8.0.201 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=418 |
| 01:00:41 | | Server_Manager >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=165 |
| 01:00:41 | kergoth` | ibot search zsi for telnet |
| 01:00:41 | noda | That's what I meant :P |
| 01:00:41 | kergoth` | :) |
| 01:00:48 | chouimat | prpplague: with hot french chicks |
| 01:00:48 | kergoth` | theres a c-kermit for the Z? haha |
| 01:00:52 | | oz faq is http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ or http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 01:00:52 | hvarotto | ibot oz faq |
| 01:00:55 | noda | What's c-kermit? :) |
| 01:00:56 | prpplague | chouimat: rockin |
| 01:01:05 | kergoth` | noda: old school app |
| 01:01:09 | kergoth` | prpplague: c-kermit, ring a bell? |
| 01:01:13 | | i heard oz bk was bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) |
| 01:01:13 | hvarotto | ibot oz bk |
| 01:01:15 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: would server manager come with the server? |
| 01:01:20 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: no |
| 01:01:30 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: so its not on zsi. check zfi or ipkgfind. |
| 01:01:40 | prpplague | kergoth`: ya we are using for our electronic purchasing, lol |
| 01:01:46 | [DrEvil] | speaking of which |
| 01:01:54 | kergoth` | prpplague: hah, why am i not surprised |
| 01:01:58 | chouimat | prpplague: the two licking each others are . .. well beyond description :) |
| 01:01:58 | [DrEvil] | is benmyer going to write a new server manager? |
| 01:02:12 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: dunno, he's working on the new opie network setup now |
| 01:02:20 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: the one that will support bt, wifi, etc |
| 01:02:25 | prpplague | kergoth`: lol, why were you thinging of something else? |
| 01:02:26 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 01:02:34 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: he committed it into opie cvs arleady. the only module in it so far is wifi |
| 01:02:45 | [DrEvil] | we need a new server manager though |
| 01:02:55 | | i think zfi is the zaurus feed index, similar to zsi, but for feeds. It is available at http://zfi.zaurii.com/. It is updated hourly and lists the latest packages from all feeds in its system. |
| 01:02:55 | cerezu-dc | ibot zfi |
| 01:03:37 | [DrEvil] | something that would read a template file from a server ipk and generate a config panel |
| 01:04:20 | noda | kergoth`: If I've used ipkg to grab all the updates off the optimized feed, is that identical to installing the unstable initrd? |
| 01:04:34 | prpplague | kergoth`: we used to use even worse, we used mlink for SCO |
| 01:04:43 | chouimat | is enjoying this movie very much :) |
| 01:05:20 | kergoth` | noda: optimized feed ~= optimized initrd.bin |
| 01:05:26 | kergoth` | noda: official oz feed = more updated than optimized feed |
| 01:05:46 | kergoth` | prpplague: ew |
| 01:05:59 | noda | kergoth`: Oh, really? I'll switch back then. What's new? |
| 01:05:59 | [DrEvil] | cp: cannot stat `/devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20021004-uic': No such file or directory |
| 01:06:04 | [DrEvil] | that does not compute |
| 01:06:19 | noda | [DrEvil]: You gotta have QT2 installed, compiled with gcc2.95.3 |
| 01:06:35 | [DrEvil] | oh great |
| 01:06:36 | noda | is just guessing. |
| 01:06:46 | noda | If you don't have that, you can't do the buildroot build. |
| 01:08:02 | kergoth` | actually |
| 01:08:07 | kergoth` | it should give a different error for that |
| 01:08:10 | kergoth` | that error is something odd |
| 01:08:14 | noda | That's true, it should... |
| 01:08:20 | [DrEvil] | it is |
| 01:08:27 | [DrEvil] | because that -uic ain't there |
| 01:08:30 | kergoth` | uic gets put in build/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20021004/bin, not -uic |
| 01:08:33 | kergoth` | yeah |
| 01:08:50 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: this bk or cvs? |
| 01:08:54 | [DrEvil] | bk |
| 01:09:01 | kergoth` | k |
| 01:09:02 | [DrEvil] | brb |
| 01:09:04 | kergoth` | hm |
| 01:13:25 | | xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) |
| 01:13:25 | hvarotto | ibot xcompile |
| 01:13:29 | chouimat | noda QT2 compiled ok with gcc 3.2 here no change |
| 01:14:02 | chouimat | hmmm forgot some ponctuation mark |
| 01:14:10 | noda | chouimat: Oh, right, forgot you did that :) |
| 01:15:36 | chouimat | noda: didn't add -lstdc++ to the libs. gcc 3.2 take it in /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.2/libstdc++.so.5 |
| 01:16:10 | noda | chouimat: So you didn't have to do anything at all? |
| 01:16:21 | noda | That's weird, mine didn't work when I used gcc3.2. I recompiled qt with 2.95.3 and it worked. |
| 01:16:30 | chouimat | noda: so far, ask me tomorrow |
| 01:16:47 | noda | hacks at Galeon a bit. |
| 01:17:11 | noda | So, who thinks I've gotten the "find" dialog to select the entire text region after clicking on "Search" in Galeon2? :) |
| 01:17:16 | noda | compiles... |
| 01:17:52 | chouimat | noda: I'm using gentoo maybe it help |
| 01:17:53 | noda | Sheesh, has to recompile about 3/4 of the whole program. |
| 01:18:04 | noda | chouimat: I'm using noda-distro, it has a few bugs :) |
| 01:18:40 | chouimat | noda: I love that TV Tuner card. I can program while watching some porn movie from the tv |
| 01:18:53 | noda | chouimat: Which one is that? :) |
| 01:19:02 | noda | has an ATI watchemecallit. |
| 01:19:10 | chouimat | noda: ATI tv wonder ve |
| 01:19:19 | noda | Mine's the non-ve. I think. I don't even know :) |
| 01:19:26 | noda | xawtv rocks :) |
| 01:19:37 | chouimat | noda: have a s-video input? |
| 01:19:44 | noda | chouimat: Yep. |
| 01:19:53 | noda | I've plugged my playstation 2 into it, looks much better than VHS :) |
| 01:19:57 | kergoth` | works on adding glibc 2.3 to the buildroot |
| 01:19:59 | chouimat | noda mine is mono and doesn't have the s-video |
| 01:20:01 | noda | waits even more for Galeon to comiple... |
| 01:20:12 | noda | chouimat: Oh... so mine's better! Yay! |
| 01:20:22 | kergoth` | chouimat: hey, i updated some of the documentation |
| 01:20:24 | kergoth` | chouimat: not that much, but some :) |
| 01:20:24 | noda | I never use either feature though :P |
| 01:20:30 | chouimat | noda: yup cost 50$ more |
| 01:20:43 | noda | I just watch TV sometimes :) |
| 01:20:58 | noda | Dammit, Galeon's still compiling. maybe I did a make clean or something. |
| 01:21:00 | chouimat | hmmm that chick have awsome boobs :) |
| 01:21:04 | noda | can't wait to see if his hack worked :) |
| 01:21:12 | kergoth` | hugs ccache |
| 01:21:26 | noda | lol, whoops, it won't work, I wrote the function but never implemented it :P |
| 01:21:35 | chouimat | hugs the porn channel |
| 01:21:50 | kergoth` | lol |
| 01:22:05 | chouimat | kergoth`: hehe |
| 01:22:12 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 01:22:14 | [DrEvil] | I'm back |
| 01:22:17 | kergoth` | wonders if the glibc 2.3 build will explode spontaniously |
| 01:22:22 | [DrEvil] | what was decided on my error of the day? |
| 01:22:30 | noda | Here we go! Testing :) |
| 01:22:50 | kergoth` | checking version of /usr/bin/ccache arm-linux-gcc... 2.95.3, bad |
| 01:22:52 | kergoth` | hey! |
| 01:22:54 | kergoth` | beats glibc 2.3 with a stick |
| 01:23:11 | noda | Weird... well, it's better than before! :P |
| 01:23:14 | dmkmd | Who can tell me what OBEC sending in IR means. It won't talk to my printer's IR, is there a fix? |
| 01:23:19 | noda | isn't a Great Coder yet :P |
| 01:23:46 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: where would the telnet server in the sharp image be? like which one? |
| 01:23:53 | kergoth` | The GNU C library can only be compiled with the GNU C compiler |
| 01:23:55 | kergoth` | family. As of the 2.3 release, GCC 3.2 or higher is required. As |
| 01:23:57 | kergoth` | of this writing, GCC 3.2 is the compiler we advise to use. |
| 01:23:57 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: or rather, where can I get it? |
| 01:23:59 | kergoth` | oh well |
| 01:24:01 | noda | winces. |
| 01:24:03 | kergoth` | no glibc 2.3 for us until sharp changes to gcc 3.2 |
| 01:24:05 | kergoth` | ah well |
| 01:24:07 | noda | Heck, it doesn't even compile with gcc-3.2 for me :( |
| 01:24:13 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: its called in.telnetd |
| 01:24:21 | kergoth` | noda: we cant switch to gcc 3.2 anyway in oz |
| 01:24:25 | noda | nods. |
| 01:24:34 | noda | Do you think Sharp *will* make the switch? What if they never do? |
| 01:24:35 | cerezu-dc | where would it be? |
| 01:24:36 | kergoth` | mutters about ABIs |
| 01:24:42 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: man find |
| 01:24:49 | noda | lol |
| 01:25:03 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: heh |
| 01:25:32 | kergoth` | PicoBot: emulate kergoth |
| 01:25:32 | PicoBot | mutters about buildsystems and tells random people to rtfm. |
| 01:25:34 | kergoth` | :) |
| 01:25:48 | [DrEvil] | uic -uic uic |
| 01:26:02 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: get me more of the error output. |
| 01:26:08 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: anything before or after that |
| 01:26:30 | [DrEvil] | mmmk |
| 01:27:01 | [DrEvil] | grrrr |
| 01:27:18 | kergoth` | nice, sandman added an 'all tabs' entry to the tab section of launcher settings |
| 01:27:28 | kergoth` | now we dont have to edit each tab individually to change the background globally |
| 01:27:30 | kergoth` | :) |
| 01:27:45 | chouimat | noda: a switch like the one apple did in MacOS X? |
| 01:28:02 | [DrEvil] | oh hell |
| 01:28:04 | kergoth` | noda: they might for the next pda |
| 01:28:08 | noda | chouimat: I'm wondering if Sharp will switch from gcc-2.95 to gcc-3.2. |
| 01:28:11 | noda | nods. |
| 01:28:16 | kergoth` | noda: but i cant see them releasing a new initrd.bin for the units that are out now |
| 01:28:38 | chouimat | kergoth`: the telnetd thing the answer is no? |
| 01:28:45 | kergoth` | chouimat: ? |
| 01:28:51 | kergoth` | chouimat: what telnetd thing? |
| 01:28:58 | chouimat | kergoth`: busybox |
| 01:29:01 | kergoth` | ah |
| 01:29:04 | kergoth` | yeah, the answer is no |
| 01:31:45 | [DrEvil] | well cripes |
| 01:31:49 | [DrEvil] | it worked the second time |
| 01:31:53 | kergoth` | lol |
| 01:31:55 | kergoth` | weird |
| 01:33:02 | [DrEvil] | always |
| 01:33:45 | [DrEvil] | I think I need a bigger LV for compiling on |
| 01:34:32 | cerezu-dc | I am having so many problems with this, ack. I think I will revert back to sharps rom image. |
| 01:34:40 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: what problems? |
| 01:34:59 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: having so many problems syncing with my computer |
| 01:35:06 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: did you read the FAQ? |
| 01:35:14 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: specifically, the section which addresses syncing? |
| 01:35:16 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: the faq isn't anything I didn't already know |
| 01:35:25 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: which faq though? |
| 01:35:25 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: if you knew, you wouldnt be having problems |
| 01:35:29 | kergoth` | the OZ faq |
| 01:35:30 | noda | Anyone done any simple programming in GTK2? :) |
| 01:35:34 | | well, oz faq is http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ or http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 01:35:34 | kergoth` | ibot oz faq |
| 01:36:46 | noda | is having trouble highlighting a GtkEditable. |
| 01:36:48 | cerezu-dc | I looked at that, there is no syncing section |
| 01:37:01 | noda | Blegh. I guess I'll ask on their irc channels :P |
| 01:37:03 | | prpplague: wish i knew |
| 01:37:03 | prpplague | ibot: brain damage? |
| 01:37:07 | cerezu-dc | oh |
| 01:37:43 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: look again. |
| 01:37:48 | kergoth` | yawns |
| 01:37:50 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok i think i got the based tinyx build going, final test now |
| 01:37:56 | kergoth` | prpplague: great |
| 01:38:02 | prpplague | kergoth`: don't go to sleep, sleep at work |
| 01:38:08 | cerezu-dc | crappy xp, wont let me edit a connection that doesn't exist |
| 01:38:14 | prpplague | kergoth`: its not everything, but its a start |
| 01:38:18 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: so plug the Z in, then edit it |
| 01:38:30 | kergoth` | prpplague: sleep at work.. id ont need another excuse to get my ass laid off :) |
| 01:38:33 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: doesn't work, it doesn't detect the zaurus |
| 01:38:54 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: ? sounds like you removed it from the cradle without ejecting it |
| 01:39:01 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: in which case windows is very unhappy with you |
| 01:39:15 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok so when i'm ready, how do i comit this stuff? |
| 01:39:18 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: so you need to pull up device manager, find the 'unknown device' with the question mark by it, and remove it |
| 01:39:27 | kergoth` | prpplague: bk citool is the easy X-based way |
| 01:39:34 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: I wish my teacher wasn't making me use XP or I would be using slackware all the way... errr.. |
| 01:39:39 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: I fuckin hate microsoft. |
| 01:39:43 | kergoth` | prpplague: lets you edit the comments on each file, and an overall comment for the ChangeSet as a whole.. |
| 01:39:53 | kergoth` | prpplague: then once the changeset is created, we'll go over how to get it to me :) |
| 01:40:24 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok |
| 01:41:11 | noda | cerezu-dc: You can fake it. My physics teacher thinks I'm a diligent Excel user. Little does he know... :P |
| 01:41:17 | kergoth` | prpplague: jeanne found her conversation with you pretty interesting. I think you may have thrown enough fuel on the fire to maybe get Digi to pay attention to the linux situation |
| 01:41:29 | kergoth` | prpplague: here's hoping, anyway |
| 01:41:30 | prpplague | kergoth`: lol |
| 01:41:38 | prpplague | kergoth`: what did she say? |
| 01:41:43 | chouimat | kergoth`: digi? |
| 01:41:59 | kergoth` | prpplague: well, apparently our sales people talked to contacts at your company, and they fed us a line about how you're sticking with digi and how theres no problems |
| 01:42:07 | kergoth` | prpplague: and then she talked to you and heard about the buyback.. |
| 01:42:22 | kergoth` | chouimat: company i work for |
| 01:42:31 | kergoth` | chouimat: digi international. www.digi.com |
| 01:42:52 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: I wish I could find that telnet server... |
| 01:42:55 | prpplague | kergoth`: ha sales didn't tell them about that? lol |
| 01:43:02 | kergoth` | cerezu-dc: you tried ipkgfind? |
| 01:43:10 | prpplague | kergoth`: figures, sales never know whats going on |
| 01:43:16 | kergoth` | prpplague: nope. they think you guys are complately and totally happy and all is good |
| 01:43:29 | noda | WOO! :) |
| 01:43:31 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: I tried all of them, nothing that has the actual daemon/server for it |
| 01:43:36 | noda | Galeon2 is now much more user-friendly in my finds. |
| 01:43:39 | chouimat | kergoth`: heard that somewhere |
| 01:43:42 | kergoth` | prpplague: so now we may be able to push the linux situation through sales. get them to see the money. |
| 01:43:43 | noda | considers submitting a patch to maintainers :) |
| 01:44:16 | chouimat | kergoth`: www.e-c.qc.ca <- do some contract for them |
| 01:44:42 | prpplague | kergoth`: lol, well, i'll send her that email in the morning, maybe i should cut back on the technical and stick with the basics |
| 01:45:14 | kergoth` | prpplague: I think they want to hear what customers think about how the situation can be resolved. Tech support has given engineering a number of possible solutions, they dont like any of them |
| 01:45:34 | prpplague | kergoth`: figures |
| 01:45:46 | cerezu-dc | kergoth: might this be it? http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/index.phtml?p=d&d=309 |
| 01:45:51 | kergoth` | Yeah, not like the people that actually talk to the customers would know what they want or anything </smartass> |
| 01:47:32 | cerezu | kergoth: what ya think, ya think it's the telnet server? |
| 01:48:16 | kergoth` | zfi indexes the OZ feed? hah, i didnt realize |
| 01:49:44 | kergoth` | cerezu: netkit-base includes inetd and ping, and is already installed in OZ |
| 01:51:54 | cerezu | oh. you have netkit-ftp but no -telnet. curses.. |
| 01:52:18 | ljp | why telnet? |
| 01:52:45 | kergoth` | ljp: thats what i've been trying to figure out for over an hour |
| 01:53:20 | cerezu | kergoth: telnet is the sweetness :) |
| 01:53:26 | kergoth` | telnet is a piece of shit |
| 01:53:33 | ljp | shh |
| 01:53:34 | kergoth` | its a badly designed protocol prone to option negotiation loops |
| 01:53:52 | prpplague | kergoth`: you trying to add a telnet client or telnet server? |
| 01:53:54 | kergoth` | and newline-carriage return madness, double carraige returns, etc |
| 01:54:03 | kergoth` | prpplague: neither. cerezu wants a telnet server ipk |
| 01:54:17 | cerezu | or some way to add a telnet server, cause I know the sharp rom has one. |
| 01:54:39 | kergoth` | adn? |
| 01:54:41 | kergoth` | sharp rom has one |
| 01:54:46 | kergoth` | that doesnt make it any less of a piece of shit |
| 01:54:49 | kergoth` | so to speak |
| 01:54:53 | ljp | oz has sshd be default |
| 01:54:57 | prpplague | kergoth`: ahh |
| 01:55:01 | cerezu | yeah, but I cant find one, but I cant figure out how to get it from the sharp rom either |
| 01:55:03 | cerezu | any help? |
| 01:55:08 | kergoth` | cerezu: WHY? |
| 01:55:14 | kergoth` | cerezu: iv'e been asking why for like 2 hours |
| 01:55:16 | cerezu | kergoth: why telnet? |
| 01:55:18 | kergoth` | yes. |
| 01:55:20 | kergoth` | why telnet. |
| 01:55:28 | kergoth` | OZ has ssh by default. use it. learn to love it. |
| 01:55:47 | cerezu | because I have a server I am going to run with it, but I also need the protocol too.. ack |
| 01:55:58 | kergoth` | cerezu: ? |
| 01:56:06 | kergoth` | cerezu: what server 'runs with telnet'? |
| 01:56:18 | kergoth` | cerezu: and you dont install a protocol. you dont need a telnet server to write a telnet implementation |
| 01:56:23 | kergoth` | protocol != application |
| 01:56:31 | kergoth` | protocol = protocol |
| 01:56:42 | cerezu | kergoth: I need the telnet server then, but I can't figure out how to extract it from the sharp rom |
| 01:56:47 | kergoth` | why?? |
| 01:56:52 | kergoth` | why do you need a telnet server? |
| 01:57:04 | kergoth` | starts counting the number of times he asks without getting an answer |
| 01:57:09 | cerezu | because I have a server that runs on telnet that i was going to run on OZ |
| 01:57:16 | kergoth` | a 'server that runs on telnet'? |
| 01:57:32 | cerezu | its from the early 90s |
| 01:57:34 | kergoth` | telnet establishes a session on the remote machine. ssh does the same thing. |
| 01:57:38 | prpplague | cerezu: what they are trying to say, is there are so many other options besides telnet to use, why specificaly telnet? |
| 01:57:47 | kergoth` | why not ssh into the machine, and login, adn then run your application? |
| 01:57:50 | kergoth` | still doesnt get it |
| 01:58:03 | cerezu | 'because I can't reimplement the specification for SSH instead of telnet' |
| 01:58:07 | chouimat | kergoth`: make source-trees clean? |
| 01:58:08 | kergoth` | what? |
| 01:58:15 | kergoth` | cerezu: i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 01:58:22 | cerezu | because the application runs on a specific port on a machine |
| 01:58:37 | kergoth` | so? |
| 01:58:40 | kergoth` | what does that havve to do with telnet? |
| 01:58:49 | chouimat | kergoth`: clean the source but without losing the download :) |
| 01:59:06 | kergoth` | you can run any number of daemons on various ports, telnet is not requried to bind to a socket and listen |
| 01:59:10 | cerezu | meaning, the code was written for telnet. |
| 01:59:13 | kergoth` | chouimat: make clean-sourcetrees, and i'm about to commit an updated BULD |
| 01:59:16 | kergoth` | chouimat: er BUILD |
| 01:59:30 | kergoth` | cerezu: ? okay, then it implements telnet on its own, it will not use the telnetd binary |
| 01:59:34 | cerezu | I'll finally say, lol, its for a mud. |
| 01:59:41 | kergoth` | dood |
| 01:59:48 | kergoth` | you dont need telnet |
| 01:59:50 | kergoth` | heh |
| 02:00:13 | cerezu | but then how would I run it, can ssh connect to a certain port on the machine? |
| 02:00:43 | chouimat | cerezu: yes |
| 02:01:20 | kergoth` | cerezu: do you need a telnet server, or a telnet client? |
| 02:01:31 | kergoth` | cerezu: i think you need to figure out exactly what you need before you can get assistance |
| 02:01:56 | kergoth` | cerezu: are you trying to run 'telnet [some ip] [some port]' *from* the Z to connect to a MUD on the net? |
| 02:02:02 | cerezu | example: |
| 02:02:05 | kergoth` | okay |
| 02:02:45 | cerezu | actually, I was going to run the mud on the zaurus for just something to do, while I can develop it at the same time |
| 02:02:57 | noda | When I want to mud on the 'net, I ssh in to my computer and run tf :) |
| 02:03:17 | cerezu | you guys mud? |
| 02:03:23 | noda | I do once in a while. |
| 02:03:25 | cerezu | I thought you were too prestige to do that, heh |
| 02:03:35 | noda | Discworld, http://discworld.imaginary.com:5678 |
| 02:03:37 | kergoth` | heh, thats what i'm saying. the transfer medium is irrelevant, its ascii data, it can go over any medium |
| 02:03:42 | cerezu | didnt want to say becaue I guess I was embarrassed. |
| 02:03:42 | kergoth` | yawns |
| 02:03:50 | noda | sends his beautiful little Galeon patch in. |
| 02:04:02 | noda | Now I can browse Freshmeat more easily! |
| 02:04:08 | kergoth` | cerezu: no reason to be. I play games, i run unreal tournament and kill people, and shit |
| 02:04:10 | kergoth` | heh |
| 02:04:12 | kergoth` | noda: nice |
| 02:04:20 | noda | kergoth`: You do? Hey, wanna fight? :P |
| 02:04:25 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 02:04:28 | kergoth` | I would need to install them |
| 02:04:30 | kergoth` | i'm gameless atm |
| 02:04:31 | noda | thinks he's hot stuff in UT. |
| 02:04:38 | kergoth` | noda: tried UT2003 yet? :) |
| 02:04:43 | kergoth` | noda: its prettyyyy |
| 02:04:49 | noda | kergoth`: Yeah.... it's nice, but I really don't see how it can use THAT much processor power. |
| 02:04:51 | cerezu | kergoth: UT was better |
| 02:04:53 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 02:05:03 | noda | Brings my computer to a halt, a 1600+ with 512MB ram and a Ti4400. |
| 02:05:18 | cerezu | you seruious? |
| 02:05:20 | cerezu | .. |
| 02:05:25 | noda | Weapon balance is nicer in UT2003 I think. I like it. But it's so slow... |
| 02:05:28 | kergoth` | you should see what it does to my 1.2ghz 256mb + geforce 2 gts! |
| 02:05:30 | kergoth` | lmao |
| 02:05:31 | noda | lol |
| 02:05:32 | kergoth` | is out of date |
| 02:05:39 | cerezu | I have a P4 1.8ghz with 256mb DDR and it runs perfectly |
| 02:05:41 | noda | I think I might buy it simply to support companies that release Linux ports with the game. |
| 02:05:48 | noda | cerezu: It's very processor-dependent. |
| 02:06:14 | cerezu | noda: they probably optimized it for arithmetic on the intel pentium rather than AMD |
| 02:06:44 | chouimat | see what it does on my PIII/667 512MB Voodoo3 2000 |
| 02:06:54 | prpplague | chouimat: fun, cheerleader competitions are on espn, lol |
| 02:07:01 | cerezu | what channel? |
| 02:07:03 | noda | cerezu: I doubt that. |
| 02:07:04 | cerezu | ... |
| 02:07:06 | kergoth` | i need a tv tuner |
| 02:07:11 | kergoth` | my tv isnt even in the same room |
| 02:07:13 | noda | kergoth`: Yes, you do. They're kickass. |
| 02:07:14 | kergoth` | its downstairs |
| 02:07:16 | kergoth` | heh |
| 02:07:16 | chouimat | prpplague: and some are nice? |
| 02:07:38 | kergoth` | noda: i used to have an ati all in wonder pro. but then the rage pro chipset sucked ass in 3d, so it went away :) |
| 02:07:43 | cerezu | what channel is ESPN |
| 02:07:44 | prpplague | chouimat: only if you like bow heads |
| 02:08:03 | chouimat | prpplague: for a night it's ok :) |
| 02:08:04 | noda | kergoth`: Yeah, that's why I got an add-on. |
| 02:08:17 | noda | v4l is really cool too. And there's always new v4l stuff coming out :) |
| 02:08:47 | cerezu | haha, I'm watching now |
| 02:10:10 | cerezu | so if I compiled my mud on the zaurus, how would I use ssh to connect to it? |
| 02:10:14 | noda | So, who uses Phoenix? :) |
| 02:10:21 | kergoth` | noda: on my windows box at work, i do |
| 02:10:33 | noda | cerezu: openzaurus has an ssh server by default, and there's a package for the Sharp ROM too. |
| 02:10:47 | noda | nods happily. |
| 02:10:53 | noda | That's by far the fastest-developing browser out there. |
| 02:11:09 | cerezu | noda: also the thing that pisses me off is that I now can't connect to it, but I gotta download securecrt to connect to it through ssh now, lol |
| 02:11:22 | cerezu | with ssh, how would I connect to it at a certain port? |
| 02:11:25 | kergoth` | cerezu: putty, its free, so no annoying shareware messages like securecrt |
| 02:11:29 | noda | cerezu: putty |
| 02:11:29 | prpplague | chouimat: you know they same women who hang out together get on the same cycle, i bet there are a few days ever month that its hell for the guys at those girls highschool |
| 02:11:49 | chouimat | prpplague: hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe |
| 02:11:50 | noda | lol |
| 02:12:01 | kergoth` | hah |
| 02:12:27 | cerezu | btw, I'm in highschool, heh. |
| 02:12:46 | chouimat | prpplague: and the rest of the time, elle se prennent pour d'autres :) |
| 02:13:39 | prpplague | chouimat: oohh, the catholic girls school is on now |
| 02:13:43 | cerezu | these cheerleading competitions is boring :) |
| 02:13:51 | chouimat | prpplague: better :) |
| 02:13:53 | cerezu | was watching the mummy returns, lol |
| 02:14:08 | prpplague | cerezu: ya but we are lonely geeks, lol |
| 02:14:17 | cerezu | so am I |
| 02:14:21 | cerezu | lol |
| 02:14:59 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm single since january 2000, after seven yrs with the same girl and 5 married :) |
| 02:15:00 | kergoth` | that reminds me |
| 02:15:05 | kergoth` | i need a woman |
| 02:15:12 | noda | lol |
| 02:15:41 | cerezu | cool, I'm using putty, thanks everyone |
| 02:15:48 | prpplague | kergoth`: i need to get rid of mine, i take paypal |
| 02:15:50 | chouimat | kergoth`: me too I need one |
| 02:15:58 | cerezu | I'm single since the day of my birth, hahaha |
| 02:16:12 | noda | is actively pursuing his best friend :( |
| 02:16:21 | chouimat | prpplague: the model type? |
| 02:16:24 | prpplague | chouimat: the espn execs are gonna be wondering why they had a boost in audience this evening |
| 02:16:27 | cerezu | is actively pursuing pop stars, haha. |
| 02:16:30 | kergoth` | noda: oh thats always strange circumstance |
| 02:16:34 | noda | agrees. |
| 02:16:43 | kergoth` | prpplague: lol |
| 02:16:52 | chouimat | noda: or your sister best friend |
| 02:17:05 | kergoth` | TODO: 1) get life. 2) get woman. 3) get more money. |
| 02:17:06 | noda | chouimat: Bah, that can't be that weird... (I wouldn't know, don't have a sister) |
| 02:17:08 | kergoth` | woot |
| 02:17:10 | noda | rofl |
| 02:17:10 | kergoth` | heh |
| 02:17:17 | prpplague | kergoth`: wrong order |
| 02:17:20 | noda | Nah, TODO: 1) get woman 2) ??? 3) profit |
| 02:17:24 | kergoth` | lol |
| 02:17:24 | cerezu | is actively pursuing a girl he talks to online, but she is a bisexual, haha. |
| 02:17:33 | kergoth` | cerezu: bonus! |
| 02:17:36 | kergoth` | laughs |
| 02:17:37 | noda | rofl |
| 02:17:37 | cerezu | hehe |
| 02:17:41 | cerezu | she's hot too, hehe |
| 02:17:54 | kergoth` | cerezu: here's hoping she isnt a middle aged guy |
| 02:17:56 | kergoth` | cerezu: good luck |
| 02:17:58 | kergoth` | lmao |
| 02:18:00 | cerezu | .... |
| 02:18:01 | noda | lol |
| 02:18:03 | prpplague | cerezu: yeeeee doggie, thats what your looking for, even better if she likes to make movies |
| 02:18:03 | kergoth` | isnt online fun? |
| 02:18:03 | cerezu | nasty. |
| 02:18:09 | kergoth` | prpplague: haha |
| 02:18:09 | chouimat | nah! !) get woman 2) get her sister 3) do all her friends (women) |
| 02:18:11 | kergoth` | prpplague: no shit |
| 02:18:11 | cerezu | haha |
| 02:18:18 | cerezu | actually I know her irl |
| 02:18:34 | noda | Well that's no fun then! Where's the surprise? :) |
| 02:18:37 | cerezu | lol |
| 02:18:39 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 02:18:42 | prpplague | has created a monster on #openzaurus |
| 02:18:46 | kergoth` | noda: 'surprise' is overrated |
| 02:18:48 | [DrEvil] | leenooks to the rescue |
| 02:18:50 | noda | ROFL |
| 02:19:01 | cerezu | PuTTY = SWEETNESS |
| 02:19:03 | [DrEvil] | I can't get into my winders2000 install anymore |
| 02:19:23 | kergoth` | i was telling scanline the other day |
| 02:19:26 | chouimat | noda: fuck your wife and when she call you by the name of your best friend ... |
| 02:19:26 | cerezu | thinks PuTTY = the SWEETNESS |
| 02:19:29 | kergoth` | that i can lay out my life goals with a makefile |
| 02:19:31 | noda | I've seen some people get unpleasant surprises. Damned funny from a third-person perspective :) |
| 02:19:38 | noda | winces. |
| 02:19:39 | kergoth` | noda: true that |
| 02:19:49 | cerezu | actually I rather like stripping my debugging info than making my makefile, haha with -s/S! |
| 02:19:50 | kergoth` | woman: life |
| 02:19:53 | kergoth` | life: motivation |
| 02:20:02 | kergoth` | make: *** No such rule to make `motivation'. Stop. |
| 02:20:05 | noda | rofl |
| 02:20:15 | kergoth` | therein lies the whole of my lifes issues |
| 02:20:19 | kergoth` | laied out in 3 lines of make |
| 02:20:20 | cerezu | parse error before: 'I need a girlfriend'. |
| 02:20:22 | kergoth` | somebody kill me |
| 02:20:22 | noda | That's hilarious :) |
| 02:20:25 | kergoth` | lol |
| 02:20:27 | prpplague | kergoth`: don't forget there is a reason that married rymes with barried |
| 02:20:39 | kergoth` | prpplague: hah |
| 02:20:41 | cerezu | comparison between pointer and pornstar ----- SYSTEM OVERFLOW |
| 02:20:55 | | kergoth`: i'm not following you... |
| 02:20:55 | kergoth` | ibot make life |
| 02:21:00 | kergoth` | picobot make life |
| 02:21:00 | PicoBot | make: *** No rule to make target `motivation'. Stop. |
| 02:21:03 | kergoth` | :) |
| 02:21:04 | noda | Damn, even ibot can't do it... |
| 02:21:04 | cerezu | make clean |
| 02:21:06 | cerezu | make life |
| 02:21:07 | cerezu | make life_install |
| 02:21:10 | cerezu | depmod -a |
| 02:21:21 | kergoth` | dont forget to modprobe life! |
| 02:21:24 | kergoth` | :) |
| 02:21:26 | cerezu | hehe |
| 02:21:35 | kergoth` | /etc/init.d/life start |
| 02:21:37 | kergoth` | w00t |
| 02:21:39 | noda | error: no such device. |
| 02:21:49 | cerezu | no space on device! |
| 02:22:00 | kergoth` | you dont have enough space for life? |
| 02:22:01 | prpplague | kergoth`: error please run digiConf first |
| 02:22:02 | kergoth` | man |
| 02:22:04 | kergoth` | thats gotta suck |
| 02:22:06 | kergoth` | prpplague: hahaha |
| 02:22:11 | kergoth` | lifeConf |
| 02:22:25 | kergoth` | Great, we have all the information we need to get this Life running! |
| 02:22:27 | kergoth` | # |
| 02:22:28 | cerezu | Pornstar says 'Heres looking at you kid..'; reboot -f;write tty1 This is tight!; |
| 02:22:31 | kergoth` | # /etc/init.d/life start |
| 02:22:49 | cerezu | hilarious.. heh |
| 02:22:50 | kergoth` | insmod: no such module: life |
| 02:22:52 | kergoth` | sighs |
| 02:23:06 | cerezu | stray '\life' in program |
| 02:23:31 | cerezu | kill -9 hot_girls_boyfriend |
| 02:23:45 | cerezu | ps -aux | grep girl |
| 02:23:50 | cerezu | hahaha |
| 02:23:53 | kergoth` | cat /dev/mylife | perl -ne 's,nolife,life; s,nowoman,woman,; s,nomotivation,motivation,; print;' > /tmp/newlife; cat /tmp/newlife > /dev/mylife; |
| 02:23:55 | kergoth` | w00t |
| 02:24:01 | cerezu | lol |
| 02:24:03 | noda | adam 22762 0.0 0.0 1444 440 pts/5 S 23:30 0:00 grep girl |
| 02:24:07 | cerezu | hehe |
| 02:24:36 | noda | Woo, great job kergoth`! :) |
| 02:24:45 | kergoth` | see |
| 02:24:49 | kergoth` | perl is good for *everything |
| 02:24:51 | kergoth` | * |
| 02:25:01 | prpplague | kergoth`: i like that script |
| 02:25:10 | noda | Is that GPL? :) |
| 02:25:14 | cerezu | #include <iostream.h> |
| 02:25:14 | cerezu | int main() { |
| 02:25:14 | cerezu | while (1) { |
| 02:25:14 | cerezu | cout << "OUt getting a life, please leave a message after stdout..." << endl; |
| 02:25:14 | cerezu | } |
| 02:25:14 | cerezu | return 0; |
| 02:25:14 | kergoth` | BSD |
| 02:25:16 | cerezu | } |
| 02:25:26 | noda | w00t, even better! |
| 02:25:40 | chouimat | says after 7 yrs with a model, a porn star it's nothing |
| 02:25:50 | prpplague | good grieg this fresh buildroot is taking forever |
| 02:25:54 | kergoth` | for i in life motivation woman; do obtain($i); done; |
| 02:26:02 | noda | lol |
| 02:26:17 | noda | Actually, I think your makefile should go a little more like this: |
| 02:26:22 | noda | life: motivation |
| 02:26:25 | noda | motivation: girl |
| 02:26:26 | noda | girl: motivation |
| 02:26:29 | kergoth` | haha |
| 02:26:29 | cerezu | for each i in Me Msgbox "VB is crap!" Next |
| 02:26:37 | kergoth` | ERROR: circular dependency! |
| 02:26:46 | prpplague | kergoth`: you forgot if [ $woman -gt 24 ] ; then rm -rf $woman |
| 02:26:53 | kergoth` | prpplague: good call |
| 02:26:55 | noda | lol |
| 02:27:02 | kergoth` | prpplague: better do a -lt too |
| 02:27:06 | cerezu | nohup reboot -f & |
| 02:27:30 | chouimat | noda: the problem is that after more than 2 1/2 yrs of a differents one every night a guy need some rest. |
| 02:27:31 | prpplague | kergoth`: right, never know when good error checking will come in handy |
| 02:27:32 | noda | wonders why on earth none of us have women when we can write all these funny scripts... </sarcastic> |
| 02:27:45 | kergoth` | cat .config | sed -e's,# CONFIG_WOMAN is not set,CONFIG_WOMAN=y,g' > newconf; mv newconf .config; make oldconfig; make; make install; |
| 02:27:47 | chouimat | Ok I want a woman to have kids. Damn! I say it |
| 02:27:48 | kergoth` | 100t |
| 02:27:49 | noda | grins. |
| 02:27:55 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 02:28:02 | prpplague | noda: ahhh, because woman don't find this stuff funny? |
| 02:28:09 | kergoth` | prpplague: theres an idea |
| 02:28:09 | cerezu | if I can say it, I want some damn... :) ya know, hahaha. |
| 02:28:15 | noda | They... don't...? |
| 02:28:18 | kergoth` | hah |
| 02:28:21 | noda | Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 02:28:44 | cerezu | DAMNIT!!! I bought the zaurus for nothing, I thought a cheerleader was gonna go out for me just to get a look at my linux pocket pc!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAMNITTTTTTTTT |
| 02:28:58 | cerezu | :-) |
| 02:29:01 | prpplague | kergoth`: "hey baby, guess what i did today? i upgraded my ssh server? don't that make you want me like fabio?" |
| 02:29:12 | noda | cerezu: Same here - I think we should start a class action lawsuit. |
| 02:29:12 | kergoth` | ./configure --enable-woman --enable-life --enable-motivation --disable-ugly --disable-kids --disable-weakling --disable-whore; |
| 02:29:23 | cerezu | noda: hell yeah, hehe |
| 02:29:38 | cerezu | ./intall.sh |
| 02:29:46 | cerezu | ,,, |
| 02:29:49 | cerezu | ./install.sh I mean |
| 02:30:21 | kergoth` | ./autogen.sh; ./configure --enable-woman --enable-life --enable-motivation --disable-ugly --disable-kids --disable-weakling --disable-whore; autoconf: No such macro AM_PATH_GTK |
| 02:30:27 | cerezu | when OZ goes multi-user, will who, and w be included? |
| 02:30:28 | kergoth` | what? life requires gtk? |
| 02:30:36 | noda | kergoth`: You didn't know that? |
| 02:30:42 | ljp | hey kergoth.. a little bored tonight? ;) |
| 02:30:44 | kergoth` | noda: might as well die now |
| 02:30:44 | prpplague | kergoth`: error: unable to locate libpersonality.so |
| 02:30:48 | kergoth` | ljp: oh yeah |
| 02:30:53 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 02:30:58 | cerezu | actually life requires gcc, g++, gdb, and kill :) |
| 02:31:23 | kergoth` | ljp: waiting for opie to compile |
| 02:31:29 | noda | Hey, wow, Transmeta's got a great idea... (reading The Register): The ultra personal computer. A PDA-sized computer that you plug into a special laptop "shell" or desktop "shell" to become a laptop or desktop. So it's all computers in one :) |
| 02:31:29 | kergoth` | ljp: pulled one from a couple days ago before zecke's merges |
| 02:31:30 | ljp | ahh |
| 02:31:36 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:31:48 | kergoth` | ljp: or more specifically, before the PIM merges |
| 02:31:50 | kergoth` | heh |
| 02:31:59 | kergoth` | ljp: current HEAD fails to compile in core/pim/todo/ |
| 02:32:02 | ljp | there's a yesterdays cvs snapshot at opie.handhelds.org |
| 02:32:11 | kergoth` | ljp: buildroot supports specifying a date |
| 02:32:16 | ljp | hmmm does it? |
| 02:32:17 | kergoth` | ljp: so i just said two days ago |
| 02:32:19 | kergoth` | yeah |
| 02:32:28 | cerezu | damnit, I cant exist this prompt > |
| 02:32:31 | cerezu | > |
| 02:32:35 | cerezu | I forgot how to exist |
| 02:32:37 | cerezu | exit |
| 02:32:40 | kergoth` | Sources = :pserver:anoncvs@handhelds.org:/cvs module=opie,date=20021005; |
| 02:32:43 | ljp | cause I just compiled it |
| 02:32:44 | noda | cerezu: Ctrl-C |
| 02:32:46 | cerezu | doesnt work |
| 02:32:51 | noda | cerezu: Ctrl-D? |
| 02:32:57 | cerezu | nope |
| 02:33:04 | kergoth` | cerezu: howd you get into it? |
| 02:33:05 | noda | cerezu: Is it JUST ">", or is it "'>" or something? |
| 02:33:18 | cerezu | nevermind |
| 02:33:33 | cerezu | it was just ">" but cntrl d did it |
| 02:33:44 | noda | Weird. |
| 02:34:17 | noda | Is there an analog to Ctrl-D in Windows? Sometimes when I used Windows I'd do tiny PHP test scripts on the command-line but couldn't figure out how to run them :P |
| 02:34:24 | noda | (i.e., just type "php" and start typing, then Ctrl-D) |
| 02:34:49 | kergoth` | well, ctrl+d is EOF in unix, so figure out what key combo translates to EOF in windows |
| 02:34:58 | noda | I know, that's what I mean :) |
| 02:35:01 | noda | I don't know of one :) |
| 02:35:04 | kergoth` | me neither |
| 02:35:08 | kergoth` | you'd think there'd be one though |
| 02:35:10 | kergoth` | ah well |
| 02:35:16 | noda | Mmmmm, what's this on my computer? Linux? I think I'll keep this :) |
| 02:35:30 | noda | (especially since I'm so proud of my little Galeon2 patch, whee) |
| 02:36:21 | ljp | I had a patch once |
| 02:36:32 | cerezu | Winblows? *tosses into trash* |
| 02:36:40 | kergoth` | ljp: liar |
| 02:37:04 | ljp | really! I even applied it! |
| 02:37:22 | kergoth` | ljp: you were hallucinating |
| 02:37:27 | kergoth` | ljp: dontcha hate that? |
| 02:37:39 | ljp | well..... no comment ;) |
| 02:37:54 | kergoth` | hah |
| 02:37:59 | chouimat | hmmm too much naked ladies is beginning to bore me |
| 02:38:22 | noda | chouimat: please tell me this is on TV or the Internet or something. |
| 02:38:36 | chouimat | noda: tv (Quebec City) |
| 02:38:40 | noda | Phew :P |
| 02:38:47 | cerezu | chouimat: I agree, heh |
| 02:38:50 | noda | That's just one of those things you don't hear every day :) |
| 02:38:54 | ljp | ya, I hate seeing too many naked ladies |
| 02:38:59 | chouimat | shit a 5-somes |
| 02:39:47 | chouimat | noda: you look at her but I can't do anything with her |
| 02:41:33 | ljp | ocheckitem.h: No such file |
| 02:41:35 | kergoth` | still isnt over his ex- |
| 02:41:39 | kergoth` | ljp: yep |
| 02:41:47 | kergoth` | ljp: zecke said he knows its broken there, they're still merging |
| 02:42:20 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:42:43 | prpplague | chouimat: ohh these in black are pretty cool |
| 02:43:34 | ljp | well.... merge this! |
| 02:43:38 | chouimat | prpplague: :) those redhair licking each other are cool |
| 02:44:19 | prpplague | chouimat: argh, i missed those, (reading dr.seus to the son) |
| 02:44:39 | chouimat | wonders what people will think of tonight log |
| 02:45:11 | prpplague | chouimat: not as bad the night we were talking about the best looking scifi chicks on #zaurus |
| 02:45:27 | chouimat | prpplague: missed that one :) |
| 02:45:35 | noda | What was the concensus? |
| 02:45:59 | chouimat | 7of9? or Belana? |
| 02:46:23 | noda | Must've been 7 of 9. |
| 02:46:24 | prpplague | chouimat: i think 7of9 was the tops, but i got this thing for this chick from logans run |
| 02:46:29 | cerezu | haha |
| 02:46:44 | cerezu | I put the whole thing for my ip address of ifconfig into my macrolist for terminal |
| 02:46:52 | chouimat | prpplague: logans run (1976?) |
| 02:46:53 | prpplague | http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/watchmen/449/ |
| 02:46:58 | prpplague | chouimat: ya |
| 02:47:08 | kergoth` | I still like the new vulcan chick on enterprise, myself |
| 02:47:18 | chouimat | prpplague: was 2 yrs in those days |
| 02:47:24 | chouimat | kergoth`: don't have it here |
| 02:47:31 | noda | Jenny Agutter? Quite nice... |
| 02:47:46 | prpplague | chouimat: ya well i was only 6 |
| 02:47:48 | chouimat | finds the one doing Andromeda very hot |
| 02:47:53 | prpplague | noda: ya thats the one |
| 02:47:53 | kergoth` | chouimat: agreed |
| 02:48:04 | chouimat | kergoth`: like trance too |
| 02:48:23 | prpplague | chouimat: same here |
| 02:48:24 | noda | Oh, heck, Natialie Portman counts? Hell, her for sure! |
| 02:48:33 | noda | No debate! |
| 02:48:40 | noda | closes the browser window, confident that his choice is the best. |
| 02:48:42 | kergoth` | bah, natalie portman is *cute*, but thats different than *hot* |
| 02:48:46 | kergoth` | imho of course |
| 02:48:47 | noda | No, she's hot. |
| 02:48:48 | prpplague | don't forget the chick from 5th element |
| 02:48:56 | chouimat | kergoth`: and becka too :) |
| 02:48:56 | kergoth` | prpplague: oooo yes |
| 02:48:57 | noda | Oh, man, that one was good. |
| 02:49:08 | kergoth` | prpplague: wtf is her name anyway? |
| 02:49:18 | DaJoker | mila jovovich or something like that |
| 02:49:24 | kergoth` | yeah, thats it |
| 02:49:31 | kergoth` | i need to buy that movie now |
| 02:49:34 | chouimat | prpplague: watching this movie I wanted to be Luc Besson :) |
| 02:49:35 | kergoth` | damn good movie |
| 02:49:45 | prpplague | kergoth`: http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/watchmen/449/jovovich.html |
| 02:50:11 | noda | She was always dressed weird and stuff though... |
| 02:50:44 | kergoth` | dressing weird doesnt make her less hot though |
| 02:50:49 | kergoth` | which of course is proof |
| 02:50:51 | kergoth` | :) |
| 02:50:58 | prpplague | noda: i like the pink hair, i want a chick that keeps her hair pink |
| 02:51:07 | kergoth` | prpplague: haha |
| 02:51:12 | kergoth` | prpplague: need a punk girl eh |
| 02:51:20 | noda | Heh |
| 02:51:30 | prpplague | kergoth`: ya i like that goth look too, lol |
| 02:51:39 | kergoth` | prpplague: hehe |
| 02:51:53 | kergoth` | theres something to be said for the goth look, alright |
| 02:51:59 | prpplague | kergoth`: lol |
| 02:52:11 | kergoth` | I know one thing, I dont want a weak no-self-esteem-having bitch again |
| 02:52:26 | kergoth` | having to reassure them every 12 minutes |
| 02:52:29 | kergoth` | fuck that |
| 02:52:30 | cerezu | question: I am trying to unzip a file with unzip on my /mnt/card SD card, and its not working |
| 02:52:32 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok dude, next time we have a problem in caribean, i'm going have to tell them i have to have a digi expert..... |
| 02:52:36 | cerezu | unzip: Invalid magic (0xe0bbf1c6): Trying to skip junk |
| 02:52:37 | cerezu | unzip: ./si.h: Invalid argument |
| 02:52:37 | cerezu | unzip: Invalid magic (0x140403): Trying to skip junk |
| 02:52:37 | cerezu | unzip: ./n.h |
| 02:52:37 | cerezu | Y: Invalid argument |
| 02:52:37 | cerezu | unzip: Invalid magic (0x140403): Trying to skip junk |
| 02:52:39 | cerezu | unzip: ./gic.h |
| 02:52:41 | cerezu | Y: Invalid argument |
| 02:52:43 | cerezu | unzip: Invalid magic (0x140403): Trying to skip junk |
| 02:52:45 | cerezu | unzip: Invalid magic (0xc57f167e): Trying to skip junk |
| 02:52:48 | noda | cerezu: Is it a valid zip file? |
| 02:52:51 | cerezu | yeah |
| 02:52:55 | noda | cerezu: Try transferring it to your computer and unzipping it there. |
| 02:53:15 | cerezu | it works, I just did |
| 02:53:23 | prpplague | chouimat: http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/watchmen/449/agutter/agutter8.jpg |
| 02:53:23 | noda | Oh, thought it might've gotten corrupt. |
| 02:53:33 | noda | Ah well, later - going to bed. Test tomorrow. |
| 02:53:52 | noda | Bye everybody :) |
| 02:53:59 | prpplague | ahh time for mail call |
| 02:54:02 | chouimat | prpplague: and add 26 yrs now :) |
| 02:54:39 | chouimat | hey! noda is near me |
| 02:54:41 | prpplague | chouimat: lol |
| 02:55:09 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm currently looking a xev in lexx |
| 02:57:15 | cerezu | for some reason ssh and ftp are locking up on me |
| 02:57:46 | chouimat | brb need a shower (a cold one) |
| 03:00:21 | kergoth` | i'm still trying to figure out where the hell to meet women other than bars |
| 03:00:23 | kergoth` | ponders |
| 03:01:38 | chouimat | kergoth`: here we have something called " agence de rencontre" |
| 03:03:01 | prpplague | kergoth`: street corner? |
| 03:03:13 | kergoth` | prpplague: hah, i dont think i want those particular women, thanks |
| 03:03:36 | ljp | kergoth`gone: at work |
| 03:03:42 | prpplague | kergoth`: sexalholics anonymous meeting? |
| 03:05:03 | chouimat|shower | kergoth`: friend |
| 03:05:33 | kergoth` | ljp: but my job sucks, and all the women are ugly |
| 03:05:42 | kergoth` | chouimat|shower: thats an idea |
| 03:05:44 | ljp | cemetary |
| 03:06:14 | chouimat|shower | kergoth`: don't desper one day you will find your prince, and we hope that will be a princess |
| 03:06:19 | chouimat|shower | :) |
| 03:06:21 | kergoth` | chouimat|shower: haha |
| 03:06:53 | prpplague | kergoth`: ya your gonna have to go with me to nassau sometime, lol |
| 03:07:49 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 03:08:31 | chouimat|shower | kergoth`: some months ago I let pass one chance to have someone and now everytime I see her, she's uneasy seeing me |
| 03:08:58 | kergoth` | chouimat|shower: that sucks. |
| 03:09:03 | prpplague | kergoth`: last time i was there (august) the ppl at the store all went over to cuba for the weekend |
| 03:09:06 | kergoth` | chouimat|shower: no chance again? |
| 03:10:07 | prpplague | kergoth`: they packed two bags of perfume, womens panties, bra's and makeup, the sold it on the black market and lived like kings for 3 days |
| 03:10:27 | kergoth` | prpplague: haha |
| 03:10:37 | kergoth` | prpplague: thats beautiful |
| 03:12:07 | prpplague | kergoth`: is there any reason i can't call a unset command from in a Makfile? |
| 03:12:22 | kergoth` | prpplague: well you can, but make spawns a new shell for each line |
| 03:12:35 | kergoth` | prpplague: if you do, youj need to ; \ at the end of hte line, so that the lines are all run in one shell |
| 03:12:37 | kergoth` | prpplague: or... |
| 03:13:04 | kergoth` | prpplague: you can 'unexport VARIABLE' up in the makefile, which may or may not prevent it from making it into the environment when make spawns the shells, i'm not certain |
| 03:13:35 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok, i'll test, thats the last item that i need to fix |
| 03:13:40 | chouimat | kergoth`: I know. and she was quite cute 5'8" 120-125lbs |
| 03:13:56 | kergoth` | chouimat: nice. no chance now? |
| 03:14:57 | prpplague | chouimat: why did you pass it up? she drunk or something, lol |
| 03:15:00 | chouimat | kergoth`: If I saw her, maybe the last time I saw her the look she give me was like the fact seeing me was hurting her |
| 03:15:46 | kergoth` | chouimat: well, the question is why.. maybe she hurts seeing you because she 1) still wants you, or 2) cause it dredges up bad memories.. hard to figure out which |
| 03:16:02 | chouimat | prpplague:because she's a friend |
| 03:16:09 | chouimat | kergoth`: yup |
| 03:16:42 | chouimat | kergoth`: I have three women acting like this lately |
| 03:16:42 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh, that can be akward |
| 03:17:10 | chouimat | prpplague: all friends but not whit each others (i hope) |
| 03:17:15 | prpplague | chouimat: atleast you've not had one got lesbian after they broke up with you, lol |
| 03:17:42 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe, you get one? |
| 03:18:24 | prpplague | chouimat: lol, ya, but i figured she was before i started dating her, it was actually kinda funny |
| 03:19:19 | chouimat | prpplague: one of mine got a girl like this, she gave my friend the sex of his life, and she was just checking if she liked more the girls then the guys and my friend lose |
| 03:19:25 | cerezu | I'm having trouble with these zip files, maybe it's the busybox compilation? |
| 03:19:35 | cerezu | because I know the unzip .ipk worked before |
| 03:19:36 | kergoth` | chouimat: ouch |
| 03:19:48 | kergoth` | cerezu: busybox unzip used to be broken |
| 03:19:52 | kergoth` | cerezu: what busybox version? |
| 03:19:54 | chouimat | kergoth`: they're friends now |
| 03:20:22 | cerezu | kergoth: how do I check? |
| 03:20:33 | kergoth` | cerezu: ipkg info busybox; |
| 03:20:37 | kergoth` | cerezu: or check in oipkg |
| 03:20:38 | cerezu | v.061 |
| 03:20:46 | cerezu | v.061.pre |
| 03:20:57 | cerezu | BusyBox v0.61.pre (2002.08.09-05:52+0000) multi-call binary |
| 03:21:09 | kergoth` | i dont care about the v0.61.pre |
| 03:21:11 | kergoth` | itst he date that matters |
| 03:21:13 | kergoth` | we build it from cvs |
| 03:21:15 | kergoth` | okay, 20020809 |
| 03:21:23 | kergoth` | cerezu: upgrade to the latest one on the feed, 20020927 |
| 03:21:27 | kergoth` | cerezu: unzip should be fixed |
| 03:22:05 | | i heard feed was a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 03:22:05 | cerezu | ibot feed |
| 03:22:59 | prpplague | chouimat: man i'd like to a little mind melding with this vulcan - http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/watchmen/449/blalock/blalock1.jpg |
| 03:23:07 | kergoth` | prpplague: here here |
| 03:23:24 | kergoth` | prpplague: worth watching enterprise just for her |
| 03:23:27 | kergoth` | heh |
| 03:23:28 | cerezu | it's nice having enough space to store things |
| 03:25:35 | chouimat | prpplague: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that nice |
| 03:26:39 | prpplague | chouimatZzzzz: later |
| 03:26:54 | prpplague | isn't going to be until he checks this stuff in |
| 03:27:01 | chouimatZzzzz | night. don't why but I'm sure todo some sweet dreams :) |
| 03:27:01 | prpplague | s/be/bed |
| 03:27:08 | prpplague | lol |
| 03:27:28 | prpplague | chouimatZzzzz: ya ya, don't tell me you had a night mare of cheerleaders chasing you all night |
| 03:27:47 | cerezu | how do I upgrade the ipkg's? |
| 03:27:59 | chouimatZzzzz | prpplague: no the twits with them :) |
| 03:28:08 | kergoth` | night chouimat |
| 03:29:01 | chouimatZzzzz | kergoth`: buildroot still compiling will check the result tomorrow morning |
| 03:29:09 | kergoth` | chouimatZzzzz: k |
| 03:29:36 | cerezu | kergoth: I installed the latest version of busybox, but unzip still says the same version |
| 03:29:43 | kergoth` | huh? |
| 03:29:49 | kergoth` | is confused |
| 03:29:54 | kergoth` | cerezu: ipkg info busybox |
| 03:30:06 | cerezu | Package: busybox |
| 03:30:06 | cerezu | Version: 20020923-4 |
| 03:30:06 | cerezu | Depends: libc6 |
| 03:30:06 | cerezu | Status: install ok installed |
| 03:30:20 | kergoth` | okay, 20020923 |
| 03:30:26 | kergoth` | so busybox --version will show the updated date |
| 03:30:30 | kergoth` | i todl you, the date matters |
| 03:30:36 | kergoth` | the v0.61.pre will stay the same |
| 03:30:41 | kergoth` | try unzipping those files |
| 03:31:04 | cerezu | k |
| 03:34:50 | cerezu | kergoth: it seems like tar zxf is faster than unzip |
| 03:34:53 | cerezu | tar rather |
| 03:35:11 | kergoth` | ? |
| 03:35:17 | kergoth` | tar rather? |
| 03:35:19 | kergoth` | is confused |
| 03:35:22 | cerezu | I dunno, but when unzipping zgcc, it seems its faster |
| 03:35:28 | cerezu | with tar that is |
| 03:36:37 | cerezu | because it's take forever to unzip this 2mb file |
| 03:37:37 | cerezu | its because the SD card isn't very fast? |
| 03:37:51 | kergoth` | sd is slow, definately |
| 03:38:06 | cerezu | is CF faster? |
| 03:39:39 | kergoth` | well, sd is faster than cf in technology, but the Z isnt capable of accessing it at full spleed |
| 03:39:42 | kergoth` | speed |
| 03:39:46 | kergoth` | on the Z, CF is faster than sd |
| 03:40:07 | cerezu | ok |
| 03:40:58 | cerezu | only 1 data channel? |
| 03:41:01 | cerezu | for the sd? |
| 03:41:02 | kergoth` | yep |
| 03:41:07 | kergoth` | only uses 1 of hte hpossible 4 |
| 03:41:34 | cerezu | ah okay, I'll use that for my documents that I dont need real fast access to. |
| 03:41:41 | cerezu | like text documents. |
| 03:42:10 | cerezu | I'm crazy, I love this zaurus, hehe. |
| 03:42:37 | cerezu | Its the next best thing to a laptop loaded with slackware, openbsd, freebsd, or debian |
| 03:43:49 | kergoth` | yep |
| 03:43:51 | kergoth` | mini linux box |
| 03:45:01 | cerezu | yep, hehe |
| 03:45:26 | cerezu | I just truly started be a linux fanatic in august when I finally got around to installing linux on my main pc instead of as a server in my house. |
| 03:45:36 | cerezu | and slackware has been nice |
| 03:46:33 | cerezu | question: I am using 2024 total with nothing on my cf card? |
| 03:46:46 | cerezu | I did a ls -a and there is nothing there, whats the reason for it? |
| 04:01:00 | cerezu | is there an updated version of nano/pico for the zaurus? |
| 04:01:32 | chouimatZzzzz | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 04:01:33 | kergoth` | cerezu: nano is on the todo list to be converted to the new buildsystem. an ipk will be avialable soon. until then, check the standard places, zsi, zfi, ipkgfind |
| 04:01:34 | prpplague | kergoth`: arg this last variable is giving me headaches.... |
| 04:01:39 | | No results were found searching ZSI for 'nano'. |
| 04:01:39 | kergoth` | ibot search zsi for nano |
| 04:02:00 | kergoth` | prpplague: use citool to build a changeset from those changes, send it to me, and i'll take a look |
| 04:02:14 | kergoth` | prpplague: send me a ssh v1 public key and i'll add you to the bkbits tree users list |
| 04:02:21 | kergoth` | chouimatZzzzz: probs? |
| 04:02:49 | chouimatZzzzz | kergoth`: yup someone having a party next door :( |
| 04:03:02 | kergoth` | ah |
| 04:03:08 | kergoth` | could always crash the party |
| 04:03:10 | kergoth` | :) |
| 04:03:20 | chouimatZzzzz | kergoth`: I hates dance music |
| 04:03:28 | kergoth` | ah |
| 04:03:55 | chouimatZzzzz | kergoth`: currently playing some Arch Enemy. my sound system is bigger than their |
| 04:04:01 | kergoth` | hah |
| 04:04:40 | chouimatZzzzz | kergoth`: after 20minutes of Death Metal, I will be able to sleep :) |
| 04:05:57 | kergoth` | i'm bored, and not at all tired |
| 04:05:59 | kergoth` | hrm |
| 04:06:36 | chouimatZzzzz | kergoth`: lucky you. I'm tired and h!@$% :) |
| 04:06:44 | chouimatZzzzz | and alone :( |
| 04:07:33 | cerezu | kergoth: can ya help me again, hehe? |
| 04:08:02 | cerezu | kergoth: I'm setting up dev_img-1.3 on my cf card, but I am mounting it to my /root/dev, I am editing fstab, but its not mounting correctly |
| 04:08:32 | kergoth` | chouimatZzzzz: know how ya feel, been there |
| 04:08:40 | kergoth` | cerezu: whats the error? |
| 04:09:02 | cerezu | mount: Mounting /mnt/cf/dev_img-1.3 on /root/dev failed: No such device |
| 04:09:29 | cerezu | the fstab line I put in is: |
| 04:10:13 | cerezu | ... |
| 04:10:18 | cerezu | .. |
| 04:10:30 | cerezu | any ideas? |
| 04:10:31 | prpplague | kergoth`: ahh i think i got it |
| 04:11:01 | cerezu | "/mnt/cf/dev_img-1.3 /root/dev cramfs rw,loop 1 1" |
| 04:11:46 | kergoth` | prpplague: nice |
| 04:12:28 | cerezu | kergoth: what ya think the error is, No such device? |
| 04:12:42 | kergoth` | cerezu: not sure. try mounting it manually |
| 04:12:54 | kergoth` | cerezu: mount -t cramfs -o rw,loop /mnt/cf/dev_img-1.3 /root/dev |
| 04:13:29 | cerezu | mount: Mounting /mnt/cf/dev_img-1.3 on /root/dev failed: No such device |
| 04:13:36 | cerezu | mount -t cramfs -o rw,loop /mnt/cf/dev_img-1.3 /root/dev |
| 04:13:37 | cerezu | mount: Mounting /mnt/cf/dev_img-1.3 on /root/dev failed: No such device |
| 04:13:40 | kergoth` | does /root/dev exist? |
| 04:13:43 | cerezu | yeah |
| 04:14:00 | kergoth` | is the exact filename /mnt/cf/dev_img-1.3 with no extension? |
| 04:14:08 | cerezu | yes |
| 04:14:10 | cerezu | umm.. |
| 04:14:19 | cerezu | is /root a link for /home/root? |
| 04:14:32 | kergoth` | this is OZ, there is no symlink madness |
| 04:14:38 | kergoth` | /root is a directory in flash |
| 04:16:20 | cerezu | hrmm |
| 04:16:30 | cerezu | not working anyway I try it |
| 04:19:26 | chouimatZzzzz | kergoth`: hehe the police is here, well next door :) |
| 04:20:13 | chouimatZzzzz | night |
| 04:20:50 | cerezu | would it make any difference if it were on the SD card? |
| 04:21:43 | cerezu | kergoth: would be installing the actual zgcc be better? |
| 04:22:14 | kergoth` | cerezu: no idea, i dont do development on my Z |
| 04:23:05 | cerezu | kergoth: oh |
| 04:27:46 | cerezu | kergoth: finally getting used to OZ now |
| 04:36:51 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok kergy, scouts honor if show me how to do this once i'll never pester you about doing it again |
| 04:37:07 | prpplague | kergoth`: alright, i run bk xtool? |
| 04:37:16 | kergoth` | prpplague: okay |
| 04:37:21 | kergoth` | prpplague: you can do what i do, or you can usethe gui |
| 04:37:40 | kergoth` | prpplague: either 1) bk ci -y'message' filename for each file, then bk commit to create a changeset, or 2) bk citool |
| 04:39:27 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok it looks like i need to read some more on bk |
| 04:39:46 | kergoth` | prpplague: bk ci -y is just like cvs ci -y |
| 04:39:48 | kergoth` | er |
| 04:39:51 | kergoth` | prpplague: cvs ci -m, i mean |
| 04:40:11 | kergoth` | prpplague: the difference is, with bitkeeper after checking in your changes, you create a ChangeSet |
| 04:40:12 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok then i need to setup the project root and server |
| 04:40:33 | kergoth` | prpplague: ? |
| 04:40:55 | kergoth` | prpplague: when you bk clone'd the tree, its parent was set to the bkbits tree, so you can bk pull and bk push things to and from it |
| 04:41:06 | scanline | is back (gone 08:45:52) |
| 04:41:07 | prpplague | kergoth`: ahh, my tree is from cvs |
| 04:41:31 | kergoth` | prpplague: ah. thats the issue. follow the steps in 'oz bk' from ibot |
| 04:41:37 | kergoth` | prpplague: then copy the files over from your cvs buildroot |
| 04:41:48 | kergoth` | prpplague: and bk add, bk ci, and bk commit stuff |
| 04:42:13 | | i think oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) |
| 04:42:13 | prpplague | ibot: oz bk |
| 04:42:21 | kergoth` | prpplague: bk clone copies my repository on bkbits to a local dir on your system |
| 04:42:48 | kergoth` | prpplague: at which point you run bk co to check the files out of your local copy of the repository, then run bk -r edit -q to lock the files for editing, copy the files over, then run bk ci and bk add to add/modify things in your repos |
| 04:42:55 | kergoth` | prpplague: then you can use bk commit or bk citool to create a changeset |
| 04:46:23 | scanline | stands in the wet room for a bit |
| 04:48:44 | prpplague | kergoth`: i'm seeing a bunch of stuff coming down Bitkeeper/deleted |
| 04:48:56 | kergoth` | prpplague: thats fine |
| 04:49:03 | kergoth` | prpplague: bk clone gets the *entire* repository |
| 04:49:08 | kergoth` | prpplague: its like tarring up a cvs repos |
| 04:49:14 | kergoth` | prpplague: you get everything, including previous versions of things |
| 04:49:36 | kergoth` | prpplague: think of BitKeeper/deleted/ as similar to Attic |
| 04:49:59 | prpplague | ahh |
| 04:50:21 | kergoth` | thats the key. bk clone isnt like cvs co, bk co is. bk clone is like copying the repository to a local directory |
| 04:50:35 | kergoth` | bk co is like cvs co, but the bk co checks it out of your local repository, not the one on bkbits |
| 04:51:09 | kergoth` | the main difference here is, bk is more peer-to-peer, cvs is more client-server. with bk everybody has a repos, and you push/pull changes between them. cvs everyone checks files into the same repository over the net |
| 04:54:04 | prpplague | kergoth`: i guess i need to get with the times and get more familiar with bk |
| 04:54:32 | kergoth` | prpplague: hehe. its really powerful and fills in the gaps cvs has, even if its licensing is questionable |
| 04:54:41 | kergoth` | prpplague: just takes a bit of getting used to |
| 04:55:56 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok i've pulled it down |
| 04:56:12 | prpplague | kergoth`: so now i need to copy my stuff over and then check it in? |
| 04:56:16 | kergoth` | prpplague: okay, run bk -r edit -q .. -r is recursive, -q is silent |
| 04:56:39 | kergoth` | prpplague: clone grabs you a copy of the repository, but unless you co or edit, the files arent *checked out* of hte repository |
| 04:56:49 | kergoth` | prpplague: its like tarring up a copy of a cvs repos, but never doing a cvs co from it :) |
| 04:57:34 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok so do i do this from the parent dir of buildroot-oz or in buildroot-oz |
| 04:57:37 | prpplague | ? |
| 04:57:53 | kergoth` | in buildroot-oz |
| 04:58:18 | prpplague | ok looks like its checked out |
| 04:58:24 | kergoth` | actually, anywhere in buildroot-oz. even a subdir deep in the repos. bk -r [anything] recursively goes through the entire repository, regardless of where you're at |
| 04:58:29 | kergoth` | prpplague: you did edit, not co, right? |
| 04:58:41 | kergoth` | prpplague: edit locks everything for editing, so that you can make changes |
| 04:58:42 | prpplague | kergoth`: sorry my mistake, i did edit |
| 04:58:46 | kergoth` | okay good |
| 04:58:54 | kergoth` | prpplague: now, cp the new files over, and make the dirs you need |
| 04:59:09 | kergoth` | prpplague: then run bk add [filename] on any new files, same as cvs |
| 04:59:23 | kergoth` | prpplague: and bk ci -y"message" to check the changes of existing files into the repository |
| 04:59:53 | kergoth` | prpplague: you can run 'bk status' to see whats going on, and 'bk pending' to see changes you've checked in, but not committed. you can also do bk -r diffs to see what modifications you've made to files that you havent checked in yet |
| 05:00:21 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok does the ci check into the local rep or yours? |
| 05:00:38 | kergoth` | prpplague: local. everything you're doing now is to your local repository |
| 05:01:02 | kergoth` | prpplague: only 'pull' and 'push' interact between repositories, getting changes from the remote one, or giving changes to the remote one, respectively |
| 05:01:22 | cerezu | later |
| 05:01:56 | kergoth` | prpplague: bk mv lets you rename and move files around, which is one of the key things cvs never let you do |
| 05:02:35 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok it looks like packages/config.in and packages/Makefile are different between cvs and bk |
| 05:03:00 | kergoth` | prpplague: okay, then manually add the entries for x to the new files |
| 05:03:25 | kergoth` | prpplague: i forgot about that, cvs is probably about a week behind. scanline and myself have added new apps tot he buildroot in that time |
| 05:03:54 | prpplague | kergoth`: thats probably the only area where i'll have a conflict |
| 05:03:59 | kergoth` | yeah |
| 05:04:38 | kergoth` | you may find bk revtool useful too, for tracking changes that occur in the repository |
| 05:04:50 | kergoth` | graphical history, shows merges, pushes, pulls, who's doing what |
| 05:06:04 | scanline | mmmmm, revtool is purdy |
| 05:06:19 | kergoth` | yeah, its nice to do after a bk pull to see whats been happening |
| 05:08:30 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok when i check files in, do i need to do a full patch on can i just issue the command from the dir where the file is? |
| 05:09:08 | kergoth` | prpplague: bk ci [filename] or bk ci [path to filename] .. it can handle ../ from a different part of teh buildroot as well |
| 05:09:35 | prpplague | kergoth`: and the message is just a quicky about what changed? |
| 05:10:09 | kergoth` | prpplague: yeah, you can put comments on individual changes, as well as on the changeset as a whole |
| 05:10:30 | kergoth` | prpplague: myself, i put individual file comments and stick to the default changeset comment (which is just a list of the files that changed and their individual comments) |
| 05:10:33 | scanline | kergoth`: my only complaint about bk besides the license is that it's slow :) |
| 05:10:39 | kergoth` | scanline: no kidding |
| 05:10:44 | kergoth` | scanline: bk -r edit -q takes a bit on a slow hd |
| 05:10:50 | kergoth` | scanline: bk -r diffs too |
| 05:11:32 | prpplague | kergoth`: can i ci a dir i.e. packages/tinyx ? |
| 05:11:50 | kergoth` | prpplague: no need. a dir either exists or it doesnt |
| 05:11:55 | kergoth` | prpplague: bk add [dirname] is fine |
| 05:12:07 | prpplague | ahh |
| 05:12:15 | kergoth` | prpplague: but if you add the files within the dir, bk will add the dir for you, it takes care of the details |
| 05:16:02 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok i did bk add on each of my files, and then did bk co on them |
| 05:16:45 | kergoth` | prpplague: okay, and you did a bk ci on packages/config.in and packages/Makefile right? |
| 05:16:55 | prpplague | kergoth`: yep |
| 05:17:07 | kergoth` | prpplague: okay, either bk citool or bk commit now, to create the ChangeSet |
| 05:20:49 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok i'm doing bk citool, it states delta pending |
| 05:21:13 | kergoth` | hit the 'checkin' button onthe right, iirc |
| 05:21:56 | prpplague | ok got it |
| 05:22:10 | kergoth` | it created the changeset? |
| 05:22:32 | kergoth` | run 'bk changes' .. you should see it on the top, your changeset |
| 05:23:27 | kergoth` | hah sweet the boot menu runs |
| 05:23:39 | kergoth` | doesnt actually work, for some unknown reason, but its not hte menu's fault, theres something flaky in general |
| 05:23:42 | kergoth` | ponders |
| 05:24:02 | prpplague | kergoth`: i'm seeing a changeset on the citool, do i need to commit next? |
| 05:24:19 | kergoth` | prpplague: er, did you hit checkin on the right side? |
| 05:24:24 | kergoth` | prpplague: you may have to hit it twice |
| 05:25:17 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok i got a message about sending logs |
| 05:25:35 | kergoth` | prpplague: good. now, run 'bk changes' .. you should see your changeset on the top of the list |
| 05:26:20 | prpplague | kergoth`: hmm, negative |
| 05:26:35 | kergoth` | prpplague: quit out of that, run 'bk status' |
| 05:27:45 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok what am i looking for? |
| 05:28:06 | kergoth` | prpplague: files edited and not checked in, and files checked in pending commit |
| 05:28:11 | kergoth` | prpplague: bottom two items iirc |
| 05:29:07 | prpplague | kergoth`: 5 file checked in but not commited delta |
| 05:29:24 | kergoth` | prpplague: ugh, it didnt create the changeset. just run 'bk commit' |
| 05:29:33 | kergoth` | sticks to cmdline tools for the most part |
| 05:30:22 | prpplague | kergoth`: ahh i answerd no to the logs |
| 05:31:28 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok the files i added are now in the bk status, but not the two in packages |
| 05:31:54 | kergoth` | 'in the bk status'? |
| 05:32:05 | kergoth` | bk status just shows statistics. #s |
| 05:32:14 | prpplague | no files checked in but not commited |
| 05:32:22 | kergoth` | okay good |
| 05:32:25 | kergoth` | now |
| 05:32:31 | kergoth` | email me a sshv1 public key |
| 05:32:32 | kergoth` | or |
| 05:32:56 | kergoth` | bk changes; in your changeset on the top you should see a number. ChangeSet@1.220 for example |
| 05:33:13 | prpplague | ok |
| 05:33:26 | kergoth` | you can do, bk export -tpatch -r1.216,1.220 to create a standard gnu patch |
| 05:33:37 | kergoth` | redirect it to a file, and do with it whatever you want |
| 05:33:54 | kergoth` | its easiest to push it directly into the bkbits tree via ssh, but its your call. you can email me the patch |
| 05:33:56 | kergoth` | doesnt matter |
| 05:34:28 | prpplague | i'm really sleepy so, i'll email you the patch and get the ssh running tomorrow |
| 05:34:44 | kergoth` | okay, cool |
| 05:36:07 | prpplague | kergoth`: actually can i just give you a tarball of packages/tinyx since i do have a tar.gz file in there? |
| 05:36:21 | kergoth` | prpplague: ah yeah, thatll work |
| 05:36:25 | kergoth` | prpplague: :) |
| 05:36:43 | prpplague | kergoth`: i'm getting tired here, i wonder if i should wait till tomorrow....... |
| 05:37:03 | kergoth` | up to you |
| 05:37:07 | kergoth` | i'm going to bed soon myself |
| 05:37:39 | prpplague | kergoth`: hell i'll wait till i can get set up and not pester you, you got enough work to do with out check my sh@$# in |
| 05:37:56 | kergoth` | prpplague: just get it into the tree, even broken its better than nothing :) |
| 05:38:07 | kergoth` | prpplague: i've committed so much half assed stuff, i'm sure yours cant be bad |
| 05:38:09 | kergoth` | :) |
| 05:38:12 | prpplague | lol |
| 05:38:26 | prpplague | scouts honor, tomorrow evening |
| 05:38:41 | kergoth` | alrighty, sleep well, another *wonderful* day ahead of us tomorrow i'm sure |
| 05:38:43 | kergoth` | blah |
| 05:38:46 | kergoth` | heh |
| 05:38:53 | prpplague | kergoth`: ya ya don't remind me |
| 05:38:57 | prpplague | night |
| 11:00:39 | | somebody said xcompile was just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) |
| 11:00:39 | hvarotto | ibot xcompile |
| 11:00:48 | | bitkeeper is at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ or at http://www.bitmover.com/ or hosted trees at http://www.bkbits.net/ or like cvs and subversion, but its non-opensource.. but its really good, even linus uses it to develop the kernel! |
| 11:00:48 | hvarotto | ibot bitkeeper |
| 12:21:09 | numatrix | is back (gone 14:48:47) |
| 12:58:19 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:02:49 | smee | aha... --passive-ftp |
| 13:04:54 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 13:12:41 | smee | heh, 'make packages/ipkg' builds the kernel...wasnt expecting that :) |
| 13:25:37 | scanline | is away: breakfast |
| 13:26:00 | chouimat | prpplague: the HDD of my second devel box died last night and I lost my copy of the commercial sdk of qtopia :( |
| 13:27:38 | ljp_work | no backup? |
| 13:27:39 | chouimat | ljp_work: no. brand new HD |
| 13:29:59 | prpplague | bummer |
| 13:30:43 | ljp_work | ouch |
| 13:31:37 | kergoth`gone | doesnt matter, 'commercial sdk' is just about a license. the code itself is irrelevent |
| 13:31:40 | kergoth`gone | morning btw :) |
| 13:32:22 | chouimat | kergoth`: buy it a month ago. so I asked what to do to Trolltech |
| 13:32:57 | chouimat | morning kergoth |
| 13:33:05 | kergoth | chouimat: good. i'm sure they have it on record |
| 13:33:07 | kergoth | yawns |
| 13:44:00 | scanline | is back (gone 00:18:24) |
| 14:14:07 | numatrix | so is the bootmenu-dialog working? |
| 14:17:04 | NetNut404_work | so what part of the feed is java on? |
| 14:19:04 | kergoth | numatrix: the menu itself works, but it fails to spawn opie |
| 14:19:06 | kergoth | numatrix: i'm working on it |
| 14:19:55 | numatrix | kergoth: Step1) Boot Menu; Step2) Correctly Launch Opie; Step3) ????; Step4) Profit! |
| 14:20:06 | numatrix | Or however that silly quote goes. |
| 14:20:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:25:26 | noda | Moo! |
| 14:25:31 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 14:26:27 | NetNut404_work | none of my java apps work.. so I need to know what I need to install to make them work |
| 14:26:39 | kergoth | um |
| 14:26:42 | kergoth | OZ doesnt include java |
| 14:26:44 | kergoth | read the faq |
| 14:28:05 | paqan | hi kergoth, i still get dumped to console when i exit opie and ran ipkg install opie-base... any suggestions? |
| 14:28:13 | kergoth | ? |
| 14:28:19 | kergoth | exit opie = drop to console |
| 14:28:23 | kergoth | thats whats supposed to happen |
| 14:28:27 | kergoth | i dont get what you're trying to say |
| 14:28:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:28:29 | chouimat | kergoth: buildroot died in opieplayer2 |
| 14:28:37 | kergoth | chouimat: opie fails to compile atm, its known |
| 14:28:52 | paqan | kergoth - er! i meant after dropping to console, installing opie-base there, and rebooting... opie wouldn't start, just the cli login |
| 14:29:08 | kergoth | paqan: okay, sounds like you didnt install something else you needed |
| 14:29:25 | kergoth | paqan: if you upgrade opie-base, you *must* also upgrade opie-taskbar, and all of the opie applets.. volume, battery, etc |
| 14:29:28 | chouimat | kergoth: damn! I just fixed my desktop for compiling it |
| 14:29:45 | paqan | kergoth - ok, what'd that be... i did in fact only updated ipkg to the latest version and opie-base... |
| 14:29:50 | paqan | ok.. |
| 14:30:10 | paqan | ipkg dist-upgrade? |
| 14:30:15 | kergoth | paqan: um |
| 14:30:17 | kergoth | paqan: ipkg --help |
| 14:30:20 | kergoth | paqan: rtfm |
| 14:30:24 | kergoth | paqan: fyi, its ipkg upgrade; |
| 14:31:14 | chouimat | kergoth: where the oz docs (new build)? |
| 14:31:35 | kergoth | chouimat: BUILD documents all of the available makefile targets |
| 14:31:55 | chouimat | kergoth: the build I have is 0ct 2 |
| 14:31:59 | kergoth | chouimat: today I'm updating a new CONTRIBUTION or DEVEL doc which will document how the buildroot itself works, and how to add an item to it |
| 14:32:08 | kergoth | chouimat: oh, hold on, i might have things i need to push :) |
| 14:33:43 | numatrix | kergoth: Sweet; when you do that, I'll add sdl. Actually, wait, was scanline going to work on the uber-sdl packages? |
| 14:33:51 | chouimat | kergoth: good. I will build oz with qtopia snapshot then since opie don't compile |
| 14:34:06 | scanline | numatrix: probably not, I can't get opie to compile and have other things to do |
| 14:34:19 | scanline | numatrix: it's not hard to compile SDL assuming you already have opie and such working |
| 14:34:38 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe, k |
| 14:35:40 | scanline | kergoth: ok, fixed the bug. I can chvt properly with picogui now |
| 14:35:51 | kergoth | scanline: nice, glad to hear it |
| 14:35:53 | chouimat | scanline: picopim is it working? |
| 14:36:02 | scanline | chouimat: nowhere close |
| 14:36:11 | kergoth | scanline: what method does picogui use for vt switching? does it go to current by default? commandline option? |
| 14:36:16 | kergoth | scanline: er not method, i mean what interface |
| 14:36:39 | scanline | kergoth: current by default, you can change a config option to have it use the current one, allocate the first free one, or use a specified VT |
| 14:36:57 | kergoth | scanline: okay, cool. |
| 14:36:57 | kergoth | oh fuck me |
| 14:37:06 | kergoth | busybox openvt uses different syntax than console-tools openvt |
| 14:37:08 | kergoth | growls |
| 14:37:27 | kergoth | what good is it if i cant use it regardless of whether i'm using busybox or console-tools? |
| 14:37:30 | kergoth | blah |
| 14:37:37 | NetNut404_work | hmmm I get a message about invalid magic when ipkg tries to download dhcpd |
| 14:37:54 | scanline | hmm... looks like this isn't properly ignoring touchscreen input when it's not the current VT |
| 14:37:58 | scanline | searches for that bug |
| 14:38:25 | kergoth | hah, thatd make for some interesting operation |
| 14:41:39 | numatrix | kergoth: Haven't you always wanted to play two different games of solitaire, one in qtopia, one in picogui at the same time? ;-) |
| 14:41:51 | kergoth | numatrix: hehe |
| 14:42:06 | kergoth | numatrix: considering the cards would be different on one than the other, thatd be kinda hard :) |
| 14:42:07 | scanline | no solitaire for picogui yet.. we're missing an essential application :) |
| 14:42:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:42:15 | | feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or at http://zfi.zaurii.com/ |
| 14:42:15 | NetNut404_work | ibot feeds |
| 14:42:17 | numatrix | Exactly. You got real skills if you win that game. ;-) |
| 14:42:31 | | feed is a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 14:42:31 | NetNut404_work | ibot feed |
| 14:42:33 | numatrix | scanline: What?! No solitaire? No freecell? Well forget it it then... just not worth it. |
| 14:42:36 | numatrix | ;-) |
| 14:42:52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:42:57 | scanline | numatrix: oh, but qtopia doesn't have blackout, ataxx, or connect four, does it?: ) |
| 14:43:02 | scanline | s/: )/:)/ |
| 14:43:16 | noda | scanline: Does picogui have a breakout clone? :) |
| 14:43:29 | scanline | noda: not yet.. I started writing one a while back but got distracted |
| 14:43:44 | scanline | you could run a SDL breakout game in picogui probably |
| 14:43:46 | noda | grins. |
| 14:43:58 | noda | Oh, okay then. I mean, you HAVE to have a breakout game :) |
| 14:44:05 | scanline | definitely |
| 14:44:16 | noda | Even though the stylus makes it a lot easier than the mouse or keyboard... |
| 14:44:16 | kolla | noda: how about a pinball? |
| 14:44:31 | scanline | noda: nah, you'd have to use the left/right buttons |
| 14:44:37 | noda | eek :P |
| 14:44:37 | numatrix | scanline: I think that's the first time I've seen someone modify an emoticon with regexp's. ;) | s/;/;-/ |
| 14:44:46 | kergoth | numatrix: hehe |
| 14:44:46 | scanline | hehe |
| 14:45:36 | scanline | thinks something really hosed the keymaps on his zaurus... |
| 14:45:37 | scanline | reboot |
| 14:48:28 | kergoth | hm |
| 14:48:46 | kergoth | scanline: you know of somewhere to read about keymaps? loadkeys and all that? how it *works*? |
| 14:49:34 | scanline | kergoth: I never found good docs on it... IIRC I looked at the source to svgalib |
| 14:50:25 | kergoth | I've looked into the kernel keyboard drivers, but I need to see how it works from lowest level all the way to highest if i'm to understand wtf is going on |
| 14:50:28 | kergoth | :) |
| 14:50:41 | scanline | hehe |
| 14:50:43 | scanline | yep |
| 14:51:23 | kergoth | hm, i need a good operating systems book. OS design. any recommendations? |
| 14:51:49 | chouimat | kergoth: I have some here |
| 14:52:10 | scanline | aha! If I kill opie-login then terminate qpe from the suspend app, I get a non-hosed console back |
| 14:52:56 | noda | And that's a bad thing? |
| 14:53:22 | kergoth | scanline: yeah, nifty eh |
| 14:53:35 | scanline | when I just killed qpe then killed opie-console, I'd get a blank console in raw mode |
| 14:53:54 | chouimat | kergoth: see the query window for os book tilte :) |
| 14:55:25 | scanline | kergoth: aha.. picogui _is_ ignoring the input devices when it's not the current VT, but the zaurus's touchscreen just queues the events until pgserver starts reading again |
| 14:55:33 | kergoth | scanline: haha |
| 14:55:47 | kergoth | scanline: how the hell do you get around that? get the event, and toss it out the window? |
| 14:55:48 | scanline | kergoth: should probably leave the code as-is, and see if it works better when there's something else there to suck up the events |
| 14:56:10 | scanline | kergoth: yeah, I could do that... I'll see if it's a problem first |
| 14:56:37 | scanline | kergoth: currently the framebuffer just sets a disable_input flag so pgserver's main loop only waits on clients, not input drivers |
| 14:56:49 | scanline | I could have it discard events down the line if needbe |
| 14:56:54 | kergoth | yeah |
| 14:57:09 | scanline | not the greatest, since it would slightly slow down the other GUI that's running |
| 15:01:37 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 15:02:54 | type11error | hrm is there a way to get the handango office products onto openzaurus? |
| 15:03:04 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 15:03:04 | kergoth | ibot search zsi for hancom |
| 15:03:25 | kergoth | slips a throwing knife out a sleeve. no one takes my dew and oakenfold! |
| 15:03:28 | kergoth | blah |
| 15:03:33 | | Hancom_Creator 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=279 |
| 15:03:34 | | Hancom_Mobile_Office >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=127 |
| 15:03:35 | | Hancom_Mobile_Paint 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=324 |
| 15:03:36 | | 3 of 5 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=hancom |
| 15:03:36 | kergoth | ibot search zsi for hancom |
| 15:03:36 | kergoth | damn pasting |
| 15:03:56 | kergoth | there ya go |
| 15:04:49 | type11error | thanx |
| 15:04:53 | kergoth | np |
| 15:06:32 | type11error | hrm so for the hancom creator i have to reinstall the sharp rom to pull off the apps? |
| 15:06:46 | kergoth | yep. or you can loopback mount the sharp rom and take it fro mthere |
| 15:07:15 | type11error | ah coo |
| 15:08:44 | scanline | sweet! I have opie and picogui running on separate VTs |
| 15:08:55 | kergoth | hah, nice |
| 15:08:57 | kergoth | picogui on vt2? |
| 15:09:03 | scanline | kergoth: opie seems to only want VT 2.. so I put picogui on vt 3 |
| 15:09:46 | scanline | hrm... |
| 15:09:54 | kergoth | scanline: check out /etc/init.d/opie |
| 15:09:54 | scanline | never mind, I can't switch back to picogui now |
| 15:09:57 | kergoth | scanline: and cringe |
| 15:09:57 | kergoth | scanline: :) |
| 15:10:16 | kergoth | scanline: it chvt's to 2, runs opie, and hangs until it exits, whereby it switches back to 1 |
| 15:10:23 | kergoth | scanline: gross hack, but i wanted a getty on vt1 |
| 15:10:31 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:10:41 | kergoth | and i wanted to ensure that opie exit resulted in a return to vt1 |
| 15:10:52 | scanline | kergoth: chvt hangs now that I'm in an opie app rather than the login |
| 15:11:27 | kergoth | hm |
| 15:11:49 | scanline | kergoth: It still hangs even after killing pgserver... looks like the kernel's waiting for an acknowledge from opie, and it's not getting it |
| 15:12:10 | scanline | the VT system waits for an acknowledge so the GUI can stop drawing before the kernel switches VTs |
| 15:13:01 | scanline | tries running two copied of picogui, just for kicks |
| 15:13:08 | scanline | s/copied/copies/ |
| 15:13:31 | kergoth | scanline: welp, adding opie code in the launcher start to decide where to run it is easy, but making it handle the situation when the foreground vt changes will be a bit more intrusive, i need to dig and see where it needs to be done |
| 15:14:00 | scanline | kergoth: yeah, it's kind of a hairy mess.. you have to use an ioctl() to set it up, and the actual switching happens via SIGUSR1 |
| 15:14:09 | kolla | scanline: how about dropping virtual consoles in favor of "virtual consoles" inside picogui? :) |
| 15:14:20 | kergoth | scanline: yep, i saw that in vtswitch.c in microwindows :) |
| 15:14:45 | scanline | kolla: It would be neat to be able to run opie inside picogui and vice versa |
| 15:14:59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:15:01 | kolla | and X ontop of that again |
| 15:15:04 | scanline | # pgserver --video-fbdev.vt=auto & |
| 15:15:11 | scanline | ick |
| 15:15:16 | kergoth | I just want picogui running alongside opie, damnit |
| 15:15:40 | kolla | surely there are even more gui systems one can use? |
| 15:15:46 | kolla | microwindows? |
| 15:16:10 | scanline | X |
| 15:16:11 | kolla | gtk for directfb? |
| 15:16:16 | scanline | evas |
| 15:16:31 | kolla | I dont consider X a GUI :) |
| 15:16:45 | scanline | yep. just verified I can run two PicoGUIs and a couple consoles just fine.. so it's definitely Opie's fault :) |
| 15:16:56 | kergoth | scanline: why am i not surprised |
| 15:17:02 | chouimat | scanline: wooooooooooot |
| 15:17:04 | kergoth | scanline: i'll look into it today |
| 15:17:25 | kergoth | first i'm going to fix the damn cmdline syntax of openvt in busybox, because it pisses me off too much |
| 15:17:30 | scanline | though hmm... all the apps that launched with the second pgserver went to the first one instead.. forgot to set the PGSERVER environment var :) |
| 15:17:36 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:18:13 | scanline | runs some apps over 802.11 |
| 15:18:46 | scanline | network transparency is especially cool on embedded hardware... all those people who cite it as a disadvantage of X don't know what they're missing :) |
| 15:19:55 | noda | agrees. |
| 15:21:13 | scanline | takes a break from rotate270_rotateblit() and does some homework |
| 15:21:27 | prpplague | scanline: we run several complete stores over 802.11b using tunneled x |
| 15:21:45 | NetNut404_work | I am pretty good ad hosing my zaurus, and reflashing now LOL maybe I will actually get it update properly one of these days |
| 15:22:06 | scanline | one good reason not to run as root :) |
| 15:22:38 | NetNut404_work | no.. when I hose the zaurus it's by trying to update packages |
| 15:22:58 | scanline | likes this screenshot --> http://picogui.org/scap/port.6569.png |
| 15:24:48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:25:48 | scanline | had no idea that was going to happen :) |
| 15:30:31 | NetNut404_work | is running the upgrade right after flashing this time.. b4 messing with getting data setup |
| 15:34:17 | NetNut404_work | hmmm |
| 15:34:57 | NetNut404_work | lots of things in the upgrade come up with syntax errors, which then result in error 2 when doing a upgrade |
| 15:35:21 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: upgrade ipkg first. |
| 15:35:48 | NetNut404_work | it upgraded during the first part of the upgrade |
| 15:36:12 | NetNut404_work | should I cancel the upgrade, and restart it since ipkg is now new? |
| 15:36:47 | NetNut404_work | it's upgrading opie-i18n-en right now |
| 15:37:27 | kergoth | if it upgraded ipkg first, then ipkg is upgraded. |
| 15:37:59 | NetNut404_work | right.. but I didn't know if I should restart the upgrade process |
| 15:38:54 | NetNut404_work | does opiei18n-en take a long time to upgrade? (it seems to have slowed to a stop) |
| 15:40:10 | kergoth | just let it go |
| 15:40:16 | kergoth | it may hang for some time on some of the packages |
| 15:40:17 | kergoth | just let it go |
| 15:42:24 | NetNut404_work | yeah it's still going.. although many packages fail will an illegal seek and a error code 2 |
| 15:44:35 | nishi | hello pplz |
| 15:47:45 | NetNut404_work | hello |
| 15:48:37 | NetNut404_work | so does the upgrade only upgrade the packages that you already have installed? and if so, does it install it to the same media as the previous package was installed? |
| 15:48:38 | kergoth | hey nishi |
| 15:48:49 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: yes, and theoretically yes |
| 15:48:57 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: ipkg itself doesnt handle the multiple-destination thing well yet |
| 15:49:13 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: the gui oipkg tool really needs an 'upgrade all' button, because it would be able to handle it properly |
| 15:55:50 | NetNut404_work | I hear you.... I have had difficulties upgrading.. but once I get it down, it should be no big deal.. I can already get the thing online with all my documents in the right category in a matter of minutes from a flash |
| 15:59:59 | NetNut404_work | hmmm |
| 16:00:44 | NetNut404_work | the upgrade stopped at removeing obsolesced file /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/launcher/opielogo.png |
| 16:01:06 | NetNut404_work | after upgrading taskbar I guess |
| 16:01:07 | kergoth | hung? |
| 16:01:09 | kergoth | let it go |
| 16:04:05 | NetNut404_work | crud |
| 16:04:11 | NetNut404_work | opie is not installed now |
| 16:09:21 | NetNut404_work | hmmm opie will not start |
| 16:11:15 | kergoth | /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 16:11:17 | kergoth | logread |
| 16:11:19 | kergoth | see what the log says |
| 16:12:30 | NetNut404_work | on the screen it says cannot create /proc/sys/suspend_button_mode: no such file or directory |
| 16:13:44 | nishi | hey kergoth ... returned my Z today |
| 16:13:49 | nishi | how ya doin ? |
| 16:16:52 | NetNut404_work | when it upgrades your ssh server would it disconnect any open ssh's ? |
| 16:16:57 | hardwire | I STILL GOT A HUG IN ME! |
| 16:17:58 | kergoth | hardwire: if you hug me, i kill you |
| 16:18:05 | kergoth | nishi: returned it? how come? |
| 16:19:55 | scanline | gives hardwire a job as a Wal-Mart greeter |
| 16:20:19 | nishi | i think I will wait for the new one :) ... by then maybe Cisco will have a CF card with Leap support, Opie will be more stable :) |
| 16:20:31 | kergoth | scanline: hah |
| 16:21:27 | nishi | brb meeting |
| 16:21:38 | nishi-away-meeti | is back |
| 16:21:43 | nishi-away-meeti | is back |
| 16:21:50 | nishi-away-meeti | is away: on |
| 16:27:15 | hardwire | wal mart greeter |
| 16:27:16 | hardwire | awesome |
| 16:27:31 | AlexPGP | 'lo, all. |
| 16:27:32 | hardwire | nobody notices the GiR reference.. |
| 16:27:34 | hardwire | I am ashamed of you all |
| 16:27:52 | hardwire | AlexPGP: you have 50 seconds to make yourself accepted by me and all my people (they live under my bed) |
| 16:27:58 | hardwire | name who said this. |
| 16:28:02 | hardwire | "hi." |
| 16:28:11 | AlexPGP | the GiR reference rocks! |
| 16:28:21 | hardwire | ok then :) |
| 16:28:43 | AlexPGP | (that do it?) |
| 16:28:44 | hardwire | gives the shiney award like thingy to AlexPGP |
| 16:28:50 | hardwire | look.. it likes you .. awww :) |
| 16:29:17 | AlexPGP | Might anyone shed light on why ipkg says /mnt/card is an unknown destination when I have an MMC card installed? |
| 16:29:43 | hardwire | hehehe |
| 16:29:51 | hardwire | look at the /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 16:29:59 | hardwire | everything has a nickname |
| 16:30:04 | hardwire | use the nickname as the destination |
| 16:31:13 | scanline | makes waffles |
| 16:31:46 | scanline | hardwire: didn't know you liked Zim :) |
| 16:32:23 | hardwire | dude |
| 16:32:26 | hardwire | listen here fool |
| 16:32:36 | hardwire | my posse is like.. the Zim posse |
| 16:32:36 | hardwire | baby |
| 16:32:59 | scanline | hehe |
| 16:33:02 | hardwire | a friend started collecting them |
| 16:33:05 | hardwire | and everybody got hooked |
| 16:33:08 | hardwire | so we all shared it out |
| 16:33:08 | AlexPGP | Might anyone shed light on why ipkg says /mnt/card is an unknown destination when I have an MMC card installed? |
| 16:33:17 | scanline | hardwire: http://picogui.org/download/egg.png |
| 16:33:20 | hardwire | our cable modems were being completely saturated and pushing a few gigs of zim a day |
| 16:33:23 | AlexPGP | (and mount shows it's there) |
| 16:33:42 | hardwire | scanline: BWA HA HA HA |
| 16:33:53 | scanline | :) |
| 16:33:56 | hardwire | scanline: we passed it off to somebody with lots of bandwidth in denver |
| 16:34:01 | scanline | spiffy |
| 16:34:09 | hardwire | they started pushing (unknown to the people there) about 4-5 TB a month |
| 16:34:23 | hardwire | he got canned for other reasons |
| 16:34:32 | hardwire | exported the entire feed to a place in europe |
| 16:34:36 | hardwire | he was pushing 16TB a month |
| 16:34:50 | hardwire | and I quote "I grossely underestmated the amount of interest in these videos" |
| 16:34:57 | hardwire | and 3 months later took it down |
| 16:35:01 | hardwire | we are looking for mirrors |
| 16:35:02 | hardwire | hehe |
| 16:35:25 | hardwire | most people have much more complete mirrors now |
| 16:35:32 | hardwire | with uniform encodes of it and everything |
| 16:35:34 | hardwire | we just can't get to them |
| 16:35:39 | hardwire | because they are having the same issues |
| 16:35:52 | hardwire | so .. I think most everybody in america should have 1 of the zim episodes on their hard drive |
| 16:35:53 | scanline | hehe |
| 16:36:07 | scanline | I have a bunch of zim episodes here.. got them from a place carpman pointed me at |
| 16:36:20 | hardwire | xyzz.org |
| 16:36:21 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:36:34 | hardwire | if thats where you linked from |
| 16:36:38 | hardwire | that is up here in fort collins |
| 16:36:45 | scanline | I don't remember |
| 16:36:56 | hardwire | man.. zim is just.. awesome |
| 16:37:19 | hardwire | I don't like JTHM stuff as much as I enjoy Zim |
| 16:37:24 | chouimat | got 2100000000CC of cat on his laps |
| 16:37:32 | hardwire | heh! |
| 16:37:42 | hardwire | you have more than one lap? |
| 16:38:09 | chouimat | hardwire: i cloned myself yesterday but don't tell anybody |
| 16:38:20 | hardwire | will do |
| 16:38:24 | hardwire | err don't |
| 16:38:25 | hardwire | yeah |
| 16:38:26 | hardwire | sshhh! |
| 16:39:07 | chouimat | hmmmm 24hrs without food |
| 16:40:28 | hardwire | scanline you use pwm or fluxbox? |
| 16:40:35 | scanline | pwm |
| 16:41:28 | hardwire | its a nice thing |
| 16:41:29 | hardwire | pwm |
| 16:41:38 | hardwire | usies enlightenment |
| 16:41:46 | hardwire | and on most occasinos where I am away from home |
| 16:41:47 | hardwire | ion |
| 16:42:21 | scanline | I like ion a lot, just that a lot of apps dont' cooperate with it |
| 16:42:25 | scanline | things like gimp and xmms |
| 16:42:28 | hardwire | http://r2.us.rmi.yahoo.com/rmi/http://store.palm.com/product/index.jsp/rmivars%3ftarget=_top?productId=1192311&cp=1157580&parentPage=family |
| 16:42:30 | hardwire | thats kinda neat |
| 16:42:37 | hardwire | yeah |
| 16:42:44 | hardwire | I usually use it on term servers |
| 16:42:45 | hardwire | or on the Z |
| 16:43:06 | hardwire | right now I am using openbox under a term server environment |
| 16:43:12 | hardwire | I could use E |
| 16:43:15 | hardwire | this is a pretty fast connection |
| 16:43:16 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:43:48 | scanline | fucker! stupid session timeouts... |
| 16:43:52 | hardwire | the CVS ion stuff has navigation much like pg's |
| 16:44:04 | hardwire | q rotation and stuffins |
| 16:44:07 | hardwire | - rotation and stuffins |
| 16:44:43 | hardwire | time to piss off some people |
| 16:44:48 | hardwire | I have a meeting in a few minutes |
| 16:44:50 | scanline | hardwire: it's planned to have multiple window management methods for pg. what I'd like to see is something sort of halfway between matchbox and ion, a bit like blender |
| 16:44:56 | hardwire | these "security guys" are coming in |
| 16:44:58 | hardwire | and here |
| 16:44:59 | scanline | fun |
| 16:44:59 | hardwire | shuts up |
| 16:45:06 | hardwire | they think they know how to network |
| 16:45:12 | hardwire | I had a hard time explaining a traceroute to them |
| 16:45:19 | hardwire | so.. I am thinking this should be a kick in the pants |
| 16:45:25 | hardwire | about why I don't make money and they do |
| 16:45:26 | hardwire | MCSE |
| 16:45:28 | tux_mike | lol |
| 16:45:29 | hardwire | thats all I gotta say |
| 16:48:09 | scanline | hehe |
| 16:50:35 | chouimat | hardwire: explaining traceroute to who? |
| 16:50:46 | hardwire | A head guy at Network Business Solutions |
| 16:50:58 | hardwire | in Anchorage |
| 16:51:02 | chouimat | hardwire: MS junkies? |
| 16:51:10 | hardwire | they have some rather stupid views on integrating security with bandwidth management |
| 16:51:12 | hardwire | yesh |
| 16:51:15 | hardwire | MS junkies |
| 16:51:40 | hardwire | they wanna go back and forth over the same frame relay network like 5 or 6 different times just to end up where they started |
| 16:51:44 | chouimat | hardwire: just installed a firewall in a company and I was crying when I saw their network :) |
| 16:51:46 | hardwire | its hard to explain |
| 16:51:47 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:51:59 | hardwire | but.. it doesn't need to be hard.. thats why I am here.. I plan to make it limp |
| 16:52:38 | hardwire | chouimat: MS junkies.. I guess.. I dunno.. who did the europeans fight during the holy war? |
| 16:53:15 | chouimat | hardwire: they have bought about everything you can dream about networking but the way the used that is like you asked a 3yrs child to plug your corporate network :) |
| 16:53:29 | hardwire | hahahaha |
| 16:53:37 | hardwire | but why did they buy so much shit! |
| 16:53:45 | hardwire | nobody here explains what one linux box can do |
| 16:53:49 | hardwire | its hard to explain |
| 16:53:55 | hardwire | "We want a hardware solution" |
| 16:54:04 | hardwire | .. err.. how about a good solutino.. would that suffice? |
| 16:54:09 | hardwire | "but hardware!!!" |
| 16:54:17 | kergoth | there you go being logical with management again |
| 16:54:19 | kergoth | you should know better |
| 16:54:21 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:54:27 | hardwire | .. the things you are looknig at .. ar K6-266's running linux |
| 16:54:30 | hardwire | just.. in a little box |
| 16:54:38 | hardwire | I mean really |
| 16:54:38 | chouimat | hardwire: to be secure. it think they are MSCE |
| 16:54:43 | hardwire | but |
| 16:54:50 | hardwire | they don't even know they are using linux! |
| 16:55:24 | hardwire | lets install this VPN box |
| 16:55:33 | hardwire | its good cause it uses certificates and you have to buymore after a while |
| 16:55:35 | hardwire | thats "good" |
| 16:55:36 | chouimat | hardwire: when we are dealing with those kind. we sell P4 1.4Ghz with 512MB RAM as firewall |
| 16:55:39 | hardwire | cause certs are secure! |
| 16:55:45 | hardwire | bah.. |
| 16:56:00 | hardwire | ever heard of public private keys? |
| 16:56:10 | hardwire | ever heard of negotiating vs hardcoding? |
| 16:56:12 | chouimat | hardwire: preshared secret |
| 16:56:14 | hardwire | blows up |
| 16:56:47 | hardwire | chouimat: exactly.. I have a 1.something ghz emachine down in hawaii as a vpn box |
| 16:57:12 | hardwire | sits.. as cool as an eskimo eating pie |
| 16:57:28 | kergoth | hardwire: liar |
| 16:57:47 | hardwire | I know |
| 16:57:54 | hardwire | what I really want is my katana |
| 16:57:56 | hardwire | if I had that right now |
| 16:58:00 | hardwire | end of discussion |
| 16:58:07 | chouimat | hardwire: One of my customer want a very secure vpn. but I don't know how it's work and he want an hardware key. np we sell him a box with a usb CF reader (internal one) and put the certificates on the cf card |
| 16:58:11 | hardwire | brutaly murdering people with your bare hands isn't the rep I am looking for |
| 16:58:20 | hardwire | I would rather chop something off.. then I get a really cool nickname |
| 16:58:44 | hardwire | I have a knife on me right now.. but.. that would take to long to chop something off.. |
| 16:58:55 | hardwire | I don't wanna be known as the guy that took an hour to saw off somebodies arm |
| 16:59:20 | hardwire | the cert on the cf card |
| 16:59:21 | hardwire | haha |
| 16:59:23 | chouimat | hardwire: and that passed. and is telling averyone that the hardware keys are more secure |
| 16:59:37 | hardwire | so 802.1x security on a CF card |
| 16:59:40 | hardwire | why would he even care? |
| 16:59:56 | hardwire | would have used an ibutton |
| 17:00:06 | hardwire | theere are already PKI shit for doze and ibuttons |
| 17:00:16 | hardwire | hmm |
| 17:00:21 | hardwire | now that I am moving in with some friends |
| 17:00:21 | chouimat | hardwire: I currently doing for another project :) |
| 17:00:26 | hardwire | I should start authing using an ibutton |
| 17:00:44 | hardwire | anyhoot.. I have a thumb scanner |
| 17:00:46 | hardwire | and ibuttons |
| 17:00:48 | hardwire | I should do both |
| 17:00:48 | hardwire | haha |
| 17:01:09 | hardwire | needs to get the thumb scanner working |
| 17:01:16 | prpplague | chouimat: we use disk-on-keys to activate workstations and to authorize transactions like voids, overrings, and price overides |
| 17:01:20 | chouimat | hardwire: people think that hadrware keys are more secure because for the a software is only numbers |
| 17:01:43 | hardwire | prpplague: but to start a vpn? |
| 17:01:56 | chouimat | prpplague: that stupid to use that to start a vpn |
| 17:02:18 | chouimat | hardwire: and all the trouble when you need to update the certs |
| 17:02:20 | hardwire | you could tell it where the key was tho.. thats pretty neat |
| 17:02:28 | hardwire | yeah.. |
| 17:02:35 | hardwire | I would rather use something.. that did not require them |
| 17:02:37 | hardwire | I use vtun |
| 17:02:37 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:02:39 | hardwire | its simple |
| 17:02:42 | prpplague | chouimat: doesn't start a vpn, i was just saying, simple hardware implementations can help make things "a little" more secure |
| 17:02:46 | hardwire | you need a username and password |
| 17:02:47 | hardwire | well |
| 17:02:50 | hardwire | session name and password |
| 17:02:53 | hardwire | and then yuo are connected |
| 17:02:57 | kergoth | hugs vtun |
| 17:03:07 | hardwire | vtun is a god |
| 17:03:16 | chouimat | prpplague: in the mind of users |
| 17:03:26 | hardwire | these guys up here kept tellingm e that ssl was more secure and blah.. and I should just use it |
| 17:03:32 | chouimat | hardwire: but no windows clients |
| 17:03:32 | prpplague | chouimat: why is that not more secure at a POS? |
| 17:03:33 | hardwire | I told them I use ssl.. heh.. |
| 17:03:44 | hardwire | with any encryption method I want |
| 17:03:49 | chouimat | prpplague: the policy |
| 17:03:50 | hardwire | and its compressed |
| 17:03:56 | hardwire | and I can stripe data acrossed multiple tunnels |
| 17:04:02 | hardwire | then form another tunnel in that |
| 17:04:03 | prpplague | chouimat: still don't follow? |
| 17:04:14 | hardwire | and keep doing that until I have a 2400bps connection |
| 17:04:23 | chouimat | prpplague: the policy of how to use it. |
| 17:04:24 | hardwire | which is quite possibly the worlds most secure connection ever |
| 17:04:53 | NetNut404_work | man this thing upgrades slow |
| 17:05:01 | prpplague | chouimat: sorry i still don't understand |
| 17:05:01 | hardwire | people just don't understand that in our world.. things are arbitrary.. and in theres.. things are dictated |
| 17:05:09 | hardwire | I should go |
| 17:05:13 | hardwire | or some shit |
| 17:05:19 | chouimat | prpplague: I will try to translate it |
| 17:05:32 | hardwire | I am all for using ipsec here |
| 17:05:35 | hardwire | for the multi OS factor |
| 17:05:42 | hardwire | but where they were planning on placing everything |
| 17:05:42 | hardwire | well |
| 17:05:46 | hardwire | I think they smoke crack |
| 17:05:49 | hardwire | oh well |
| 17:05:52 | hardwire | runs off to hug a tree now |
| 17:06:08 | kergoth | hardwire: what kind of tree? |
| 17:06:21 | NetNut404_work | opie still will not start |
| 17:06:25 | chouimat | ipsec don't work well here problem with the tunneling of netbios in it |
| 17:06:32 | hardwire | kergoth: an aspen |
| 17:06:38 | hardwire | that way I am hugging an entire forest at once |
| 17:06:45 | kergoth | hardwire: spiffy |
| 17:06:54 | hardwire | chouimat: just different configuration ops |
| 17:07:11 | hardwire | netbios is subnet captured |
| 17:07:26 | hardwire | you can define the other hostnames or ip's |
| 17:07:28 | hardwire | but never browse |
| 17:07:30 | hardwire | you need a bridge for that |
| 17:07:41 | hardwire | which is somethingl inux can easily do |
| 17:07:53 | hardwire | using vtun in ethernet mode |
| 17:08:01 | hardwire | and bridged or kernel bridging |
| 17:08:06 | hardwire | runs away for real now |
| 17:08:16 | hardwire | this will all be in my "Madmans guide to networking" book |
| 17:08:16 | chouimat | hardwire: the problem is the connection crash after 10 minutes using FreeBSD, and SSH sentinel |
| 17:08:32 | hardwire | chouimat bad latency it seems |
| 17:08:49 | hardwire | turn off LCP compression |
| 17:08:59 | chouimat | hardwire: in SSH? |
| 17:09:08 | hardwire | no on the ipsec tunnel |
| 17:09:16 | hardwire | or are you talking about vtun? |
| 17:09:16 | chouimat | hardwire: how? |
| 17:09:22 | chouimat | hardwire: ipsec |
| 17:09:29 | hardwire | chouimat in the advanced properties of whatever you use |
| 17:09:35 | hardwire | anyhoot.. meeting is a starting |
| 17:09:42 | NetNut404_work | what log file should I read to find out how to fix opie? |
| 17:09:45 | hardwire | I shuold stop ripping on these guys :) |
| 17:11:01 | NetNut404_work | help? |
| 17:11:54 | [DrEvil] | damn these bluez packages |
| 17:12:39 | [DrEvil] | configure can't find the libs even when I explicitly tell it where they are |
| 17:13:04 | hardwire | <Sin> p2 temp 94127 |
| 17:13:04 | hardwire | <p2> San Francisco, California at 10:56 AM PDT on October 08, 2002: [Temp: 69 F] [Hum: 75%] [Wind: |
| 17:13:04 | hardwire | North at 6 mph] [Conds: Clear] [Vis: 9 mi] [Clouds: Clear (CLR) : -] [Yest's Max: 88 F |
| 17:13:04 | hardwire | aprx] [Yest's Min: 61 F aprx] |
| 17:13:04 | hardwire | <Sin> 69 my ass |
| 17:13:05 | hardwire | <Sin> err, no, dont do that |
| 17:13:08 | hardwire | heheheh |
| 17:13:19 | NetNut404_work | opie won't load because it can't create some file in /proc/sys/fd/suspend_button_mode |
| 17:13:43 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: you installed an ipaq package into oz |
| 17:13:47 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: dont do that |
| 17:14:09 | NetNut404_work | all I did was ran upgrade |
| 17:14:24 | kergoth | then you added the wrong feed into your ipkg.conf |
| 17:14:47 | NetNut404_work | hmm did I? then what is the right feel? |
| 17:14:51 | | oz feed is probably http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/ |
| 17:14:51 | kergoth | ibot oz feed |
| 17:14:54 | kergoth | thats the right feed. |
| 17:15:06 | kergoth | or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0, which is just a symlink to untsable |
| 17:16:54 | hardwire | http://www.yl.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~tosh/kml/ |
| 17:16:59 | hardwire | thats amazingly kool |
| 17:17:04 | hardwire | is stkill waiting |
| 17:17:04 | hardwire | damnit |
| 17:17:17 | scanline | hardwire: haha.. weird |
| 17:17:46 | NetNut404_work | doh.. guess I will reflash and reupgrade off that feed |
| 17:19:03 | numatrix | is back (gone 02:17:26) |
| 17:19:21 | hardwire | wants to run fsck under kml |
| 17:23:52 | numatrix | kergoth: can I have my build do everything besides opie to save that for later when it gets fixed? |
| 17:24:23 | hardwire | yeah |
| 17:24:38 | hardwire | just run xconfig or whatever you like and say no to opie/qt |
| 17:25:22 | chouimat | wonders when opie will be fixed |
| 17:25:30 | numatrix | hardwire: gotcha. |
| 17:25:57 | numatrix | kergoth: menuconfig broken? |
| 17:27:33 | chouimat | kergoth: any docs soon? |
| 17:28:57 | scanline | thinks about writing a picogui version of dialog |
| 17:29:06 | scanline | then I could run it under ncurses :) |
| 17:29:12 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 17:35:17 | scanline | Kinda funny watching scummvm update parts of the screen... |
| 17:35:39 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/monkey2_updaterect.png |
| 17:37:04 | noda | Heh |
| 18:09:33 | LordVan | argh.. my Zaurus freezes when i try to insert my SD card.. |
| 18:10:15 | hardwire | just call me mr buzzword |
| 18:10:19 | hardwire | feels dirty |
| 18:10:55 | scanline | kergoth: heh, I think I let one of the bad screenshots slip through -> http://picogui.org/scap/land.13946.png |
| 18:11:05 | chouimat | scanline: picogui work well? |
| 18:11:41 | scanline | chouimat: depending on what you mean by that |
| 18:11:51 | chouimat | scanline: usable |
| 18:12:12 | scanline | chouimat: there are hardly any apps, so it's not a useful replacement for Opie yet |
| 18:12:19 | agupta | sup |
| 18:12:21 | agupta | kergoth whats up |
| 18:12:33 | chouimat | scanline: trying my own rom without gui :) |
| 18:13:02 | scanline | chouimat: ah, that's always fun |
| 18:13:17 | agupta | scanline hey |
| 18:13:26 | scanline | hi |
| 18:14:06 | agupta | whats up |
| 18:14:22 | scanline | debuggificationalizing as usual |
| 18:14:33 | scanline | :p |
| 18:24:20 | hardwire | god this chick is hot |
| 18:24:21 | hardwire | damnit |
| 18:24:22 | hardwire | grr |
| 18:24:50 | chouimat | hardwire: photo? |
| 18:25:38 | LordVan | scanline: what tk is used by pcogui? |
| 18:25:42 | LordVan | picogui i mean.. |
| 18:25:48 | scanline | tk? |
| 18:26:03 | prpplague | scanline: tool kit |
| 18:26:15 | scanline | ibot: tell LordVan about picogui faq |
| 18:26:57 | LordVan | lol ok thx ;) |
| 18:26:59 | LordVan | sorry ;) |
| 18:27:03 | scanline | np |
| 18:27:05 | NetNut404_work | so what is the way to get opie to show icons for applications that are already installed on the sd ? |
| 18:27:36 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: ipkg-link |
| 18:27:54 | TheMasterMind2 | ipkg-link mount /mnt/card |
| 18:27:56 | TheMasterMind2 | kergoth whats up |
| 18:28:07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: work sucks. |
| 18:28:16 | hardwire | chouimat no |
| 18:28:18 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:28:56 | chouimat | kergoth: when opie will compile agian? |
| 18:28:59 | LordVan | scanline: cool :) i like fresco ;) and i think i'll like this too ;) |
| 18:29:15 | scanline | LordVan: :) |
| 18:29:17 | NetNut404_work | is ipkg-link not installed by default? |
| 18:29:26 | hardwire | I hope I can't be drafted |
| 18:29:32 | hardwire | this silly war type stuff would piss me off |
| 18:29:34 | hardwire | I have things to do |
| 18:29:40 | scanline | LordVan: picogui has a lot more actual usable functionality than Fresco, but still not enough to be a usable PDA environment yet |
| 18:29:51 | kergoth | Remember that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Cleaveland |
| 18:29:57 | kergoth | i love fortune |
| 18:30:10 | kergoth | chouimat: zecke and stefan are merging in the new opie pim system |
| 18:30:18 | kergoth | chouimat: with crossreferencing and all the new nifty functionality |
| 18:30:23 | kergoth | chouimat: so whenever they're done |
| 18:30:32 | LordVan | scanline: i noticed that.. and for the moment i don't think opie is too bad ;) (though i don't like qt v much ;) |
| 18:31:27 | scanline | LordVan: I didn't start PicoGUI to displace Qt, I started it because none of the other GUIs around fit my needs |
| 18:32:13 | TheMasterMind2 | NetNut404_work yes, on latest OZ |
| 18:32:18 | chouimat | kergoth: this morning opie die in op2 |
| 18:32:27 | kergoth | chouimat: dont compile op2 |
| 18:32:27 | TheMasterMind2 | kergoth did bootup dialog workkk |
| 18:32:45 | kergoth | chouimat: someone must've enabled it in the root makefile. we dont have the dependencies built to build it yet |
| 18:32:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: yes, but it didnt spawn opie |
| 18:32:55 | TheMasterMind2 | []][][][][][][][][][][][][][[][][][[][][][]]]][[]] |
| 18:32:58 | NetNut404_work | so what feed to I update off of to get the latest OZ ? |
| 18:33:03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: because opie doesnt show shit about vt handling |
| 18:33:04 | TheMasterMind2 | kergoth i seeee |
| 18:33:06 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: ask ibot about oz feed |
| 18:33:07 | TheMasterMind2 | heh |
| 18:33:12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: but i can work around it |
| 18:33:18 | NetNut404_work | is confused |
| 18:33:23 | TheMasterMind2 | ibot tell NetNut404_work about optimized |
| 18:33:23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: right now i'm patching busybox to make its openvt take the same syntax as the normal openvt |
| 18:33:27 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: |
| 18:33:30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: no. |
| 18:33:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:33:35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: the official feed was updated more recently than that |
| 18:33:50 | chouimat | kergoth: how to turn it off |
| 18:33:51 | prpplague | chouimat: btw, i didn't mean to be obstanent about the security question earlier |
| 18:34:01 | TheMasterMind2 | kergoth with latest buildroot stuff? |
| 18:34:04 | chouimat | prpplague: np |
| 18:34:05 | | oz feed is http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/ |
| 18:34:05 | TheMasterMind2 | ibot oz feed |
| 18:34:18 | TheMasterMind2 | did you fix hostap? |
| 18:34:27 | TheMasterMind2 | or look into that hermes_reset thing |
| 18:34:32 | kergoth | no, no time |
| 18:34:42 | kergoth | I'm focusing on the boot menu |
| 18:34:46 | TheMasterMind2 | ok |
| 18:34:46 | kergoth | when thats done, i'll hack at hostap |
| 18:34:48 | NetNut404_work | see I updated off optimized, and got chewed.. then was told I put a ipq pacage on here.. so then I went to the other feed |
| 18:34:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: not much else to use |
| 18:35:12 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: 'other feed' |
| 18:35:17 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: which 'other feed'? |
| 18:35:31 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: there are at least 4 oz feeds i know of off the top of my head |
| 18:35:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:36:04 | TheMasterMind2 | kergoth hmm, i see this thing where you changed it to hermes_reset |
| 18:36:05 | NetNut404_work | http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/ |
| 18:36:09 | TheMasterMind2 | but its all commeneted out |
| 18:36:17 | NetNut404_work | I used that.. but it says I am upto date |
| 18:36:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: yes, it is, cause i dont know if hermes_reset does the right thing, remember |
| 18:36:25 | mickeyl | kergoth: any idea what could be the problem, when the touchscreen does not react, but the keyboards does. that is, right after a reboot |
| 18:36:36 | kergoth | mickeyl: ah, i know what caused that |
| 18:36:41 | kergoth | mickeyl: i figured it out yesterday talking to hash |
| 18:36:48 | kergoth | mickeyl: and i'm not sure how to work around it |
| 18:36:53 | kergoth | mickeyl: the path to our devices changes |
| 18:36:56 | kergoth | mickeyl: er changed |
| 18:37:01 | kergoth | mickeyl: i put the devices in a ramdisk |
| 18:37:06 | kergoth | mickeyl: problem is, no package owns the devices |
| 18:37:16 | kergoth | mickeyl: they're created at image creation time by mkfs.jffs2 |
| 18:37:20 | kergoth | mickeyl: so a package upgrade wont move them |
| 18:37:41 | mickeyl | kergoth: hmm... aha - so what are my options now? reflash or i can i do something else? |
| 18:37:57 | kergoth | mickeyl: hmm. wget oz-base ipk locally |
| 18:37:59 | kergoth | mickeyl: then |
| 18:38:26 | kergoth | mickeyl: mv /dev/* /boot/var/dev/; rm -rf /dev; ln -s /var/dev /dev; then force a reinstall of oz-base |
| 18:38:34 | kergoth | mickeyl: this is all theoretical, i havent tested this, but it shoudl work |
| 18:38:37 | kergoth | mickeyl: :) |
| 18:39:04 | mickeyl | kergoth: ok, will give it a try. thanks. will this problem be solved by a newer initd? |
| 18:39:26 | NetNut404_work | where do I find ipkg-link? |
| 18:39:37 | kergoth | mickeyl: yes |
| 18:39:55 | mickeyl | mv: unable to rename `/dev/pts': Not a directory |
| 18:39:55 | mickeyl | rm: unable to remove `/dev/pts/0': Operation not permitted |
| 18:39:55 | mickeyl | rm: unable to remove `/dev/pts': Device or resource busy |
| 18:39:56 | mickeyl | rm: unable to remove `/dev': Directory not empty |
| 18:39:56 | kergoth | mickeyl: i'm working on ironing a couple kinks out prior to the next release, but it will be soon |
| 18:40:03 | kergoth | mickeyl: umount /dev/pts |
| 18:40:16 | kergoth | mickeyl: also, when you upgraded oz-base, did you replace your fstab? |
| 18:40:22 | kergoth | mickeyl: make sure you do, the devpts mount point changed |
| 18:40:32 | kergoth | mickeyl: but you're reinstalling that package anyway, so make sure you hit yes to hthat |
| 18:40:39 | mickeyl | kergoth: aaargh, ok - it's my practice to answer N all the time :) |
| 18:40:54 | mickeyl | kergoth: i will say Y next time. |
| 18:41:04 | TheMasterMind2 | kergoth why don't you take that out as a config file |
| 18:41:06 | TheMasterMind2 | so its updated |
| 18:41:07 | kergoth | mickeyl: i wish i could force an upgrade of a conffile in certain circumstances for a *single* version |
| 18:41:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: just for this version? thats an idea |
| 18:41:36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: then put it back for the next one, so it doesnt blow it away again... |
| 18:41:38 | kergoth | hm |
| 18:41:41 | kergoth | that'll work |
| 18:41:59 | TheMasterMind2 | kergoth yea |
| 18:42:14 | TheMasterMind2 | anyways |
| 18:42:16 | TheMasterMind2 | bus is here |
| 18:42:17 | TheMasterMind2 | i'm out |
| 18:42:17 | TheMasterMind2 | later |
| 18:42:19 | kergoth | later |
| 18:46:16 | chouimat | kergoth: hmm I hope that opie will release a tarball soon :) |
| 18:46:48 | kergoth | chouimat: we need to add the xine build to the buildroot, but unfortunately its a pain inthe ass to compile |
| 18:47:06 | chouimat | kergoth: xinelib? |
| 18:47:13 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:47:47 | chouimat | kergoth: try clamav. It don't accept arm-linux-gcc in configure |
| 18:48:11 | kergoth | clamav? |
| 18:48:22 | kergoth | perl. perl is by far the *worst* buildsystem i have *ever* seen |
| 18:48:22 | kergoth | its horrible |
| 18:48:23 | chouimat | kergoth: an antivirus |
| 18:48:26 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:48:38 | chouimat | trying to port it for Sniper |
| 18:49:22 | scanline | should add python to OZ |
| 18:49:31 | chouimat | scanline: good |
| 18:49:41 | scanline | not started yet, just said I should |
| 18:50:00 | hardwire | interesting password |
| 18:50:01 | hardwire | I says to the girl |
| 18:50:03 | chouimat | and add PyQT :) |
| 18:50:05 | hardwire | "scratch" |
| 18:50:06 | hardwire | yup |
| 18:50:09 | hardwire | scratch |
| 18:50:12 | hardwire | say.. whats your cats name |
| 18:50:14 | scanline | eww... PyQT :P |
| 18:50:15 | hardwire | "scratch" |
| 18:50:21 | hardwire | blah |
| 18:50:22 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:50:23 | kergoth | hardwire: haha |
| 18:50:30 | kergoth | hardwire: stupid people. |
| 18:50:33 | hardwire | I know |
| 18:50:38 | hardwire | this one is cute |
| 18:50:43 | hardwire | I used her password as a flirt method |
| 18:50:50 | kergoth | nice. |
| 18:50:54 | kergoth | gotta use what you've got |
| 18:50:59 | hardwire | I suppose |
| 18:51:04 | hardwire | this is just funky |
| 18:51:12 | hardwire | I am quite definatly the biggest person here |
| 18:51:17 | hardwire | all these girls here eyes lit up |
| 18:51:23 | chouimat | hardwire: better than the one I saw on a secretary desktop: "Ineedadick" |
| 18:51:23 | hardwire | not cause I was a giant compared to them |
| 18:51:30 | hardwire | but because I could reach things on tall shelves |
| 18:51:37 | kergoth | hardwire: haha |
| 18:51:44 | chouimat | hehe |
| 18:51:45 | kergoth | hardwire: damn women always trying to use ya |
| 18:51:49 | hardwire | :( |
| 18:52:01 | hardwire | I got my way with these guys in the meeting |
| 18:52:04 | hardwire | I dunno how/why |
| 18:52:06 | hardwire | but I sat down |
| 18:52:19 | hardwire | introduced myself.. and they said "uh.. I don't wanna butt heads.. so lets do it your way" |
| 18:52:57 | hardwire | thats just unfair |
| 18:53:00 | hardwire | I wanted to butt heads |
| 18:53:14 | hardwire | its when people butt heads.. that you start to like people.. heh |
| 18:53:32 | hardwire | ineedadick? |
| 18:53:50 | hardwire | bwahaha.. how evil is all that |
| 18:54:10 | hardwire | didyougiveheradick? |
| 18:54:27 | NetNut404_work | ANNNNYWAYY... |
| 18:55:12 | NetNut404_work | where do I find ipkg-link? what's the package name .. it does not apear to be in the feed http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/ |
| 18:55:14 | chouimat | hardwire: frustated 50+ women are not my type |
| 18:55:22 | chouimat | phone |
| 18:56:51 | hardwire | hahah |
| 18:57:07 | hardwire | DICK RHYMES WITH DIC AND I CAN'T STOP STUFFNIG MY FACE WITH DONG! |
| 18:57:14 | hardwire | jerkcity rules |
| 18:57:46 | hardwire | jsut to throw people off.. all the admin passwords around here start with a * |
| 18:57:50 | hardwire | uhm |
| 18:57:56 | hardwire | it was my own opinino that passwords shoudl not be themed |
| 18:58:02 | hardwire | opinion |
| 18:58:02 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:58:14 | hardwire | the antivirus admin password |
| 18:58:19 | hardwire | *antivirus! |
| 18:58:33 | chouimat | hmmm weird got very very very nervous suddenly |
| 18:58:46 | hardwire | because of these passwords probably |
| 18:59:19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:59:24 | chouimat | hardwire: maybe |
| 18:59:36 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 18:59:40 | kergoth | TECH SUPPORT SUCKS |
| 18:59:44 | kergoth | punches a cube wall |
| 19:00:22 | hardwire | hmm |
| 19:00:28 | hardwire | did you pull out a cube heart? |
| 19:00:34 | prpplague | kergoth: ya tell me! |
| 19:00:46 | hardwire | basks in self employment |
| 19:00:51 | hardwire | I get to play with less toys |
| 19:00:56 | hardwire | but people think you are more important |
| 19:01:03 | hardwire | and you get to go play with CEO's instead of customers |
| 19:01:04 | numatrix | If I could, I so would pull out a cube heart. At least I've got a double-wide cubicle. Of course, there are two of us here, but whatever. |
| 19:01:04 | kergoth | hardwire: fucker |
| 19:01:19 | chouimat | hardwire: self employment is good |
| 19:01:24 | hardwire | yesh |
| 19:01:25 | hardwire | tesh it is |
| 19:01:27 | hardwire | err |
| 19:01:28 | hardwire | yes |
| 19:01:28 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:01:44 | chouimat | kergoth: some day I will be your turn :) |
| 19:01:49 | hardwire | I got my own office when I came up here for a week |
| 19:01:57 | hardwire | like I said.. when you are in charge of something.. people make you feel like it |
| 19:02:08 | hardwire | the only think I am in charge of is me.. but I guess that is impressive |
| 19:02:33 | chouimat|Away | be back in a couple of hours |
| 19:03:04 | hardwire | asks connie how many kids she has |
| 19:03:05 | chouimat|Away | they speak about rotten fish in #zaurus |
| 19:03:11 | hardwire | oh.. 2 kids |
| 19:03:13 | hardwire | I laugh |
| 19:03:16 | hardwire | password: 02kids |
| 19:03:24 | hardwire | blah |
| 19:03:42 | hardwire | this is why I don't do tech support |
| 19:03:45 | hardwire | I like weapons too much |
| 19:04:01 | hardwire | I used to.. then I kept doing like kergoth |
| 19:04:03 | kergoth | hardwire: thats why my weapons are at home |
| 19:04:13 | chouimat|Away | hardwire: done that too tech support and .... |
| 19:04:25 | hardwire | kergoth: :P |
| 19:04:49 | hardwire | I got to talk with a lovely old flame in Long Beach last night.. she was planning to come out and see me |
| 19:04:54 | hardwire | what a bad time for me to aquire 2 roomates |
| 19:05:09 | kergoth | ack |
| 19:05:18 | kergoth | ex-'s can be fun |
| 19:05:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:05:21 | hardwire | well |
| 19:05:26 | hardwire | this is more like a flame |
| 19:05:28 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:05:31 | hardwire | where.. we never went out |
| 19:05:34 | hardwire | always kept in touch |
| 19:05:38 | chouimat|Away | hardwire: she or he the roomates :) |
| 19:05:39 | hardwire | became good friends |
| 19:05:41 | hardwire | and visited often |
| 19:05:46 | hardwire | two he's |
| 19:05:57 | chouimat|Away | later |
| 19:06:02 | hardwire | if I had two she roomates (good looking) I would have a flagpole all the damn time |
| 19:06:03 | hardwire | haha |
| 19:06:32 | hardwire | I should change my font size |
| 19:06:38 | hardwire | I can read this from acrossed the room |
| 19:07:28 | hardwire | bastard |
| 19:07:34 | kergoth | bastard? |
| 19:07:41 | hardwire | bastard |
| 19:07:45 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:07:46 | kergoth | bastard. |
| 19:07:49 | kergoth | joins in |
| 19:07:51 | hardwire | yesh |
| 19:07:54 | hardwire | hmm |
| 19:07:57 | hardwire | BastarD |
| 19:07:59 | hardwire | good anime |
| 19:08:01 | hardwire | lots of new weird toys |
| 19:08:10 | hardwire | and the series left off very.. uh.. in the middle |
| 19:08:13 | scanline | bastard! |
| 19:08:15 | hardwire | I wonder when I shall see more of the series |
| 19:09:13 | NetNut404_work | where do I find ipkg-link ? |
| 19:09:52 | hardwire | near the sink! |
| 19:10:26 | scanline | third warehouse from the north |
| 19:12:44 | kergoth | bastard! |
| 19:13:15 | hardwire | bastard! |
| 19:13:24 | scanline | bastard: |
| 19:19:15 | hardwire | BASTARD! |
| 19:19:20 | hardwire | watched bubble boy the other night |
| 19:19:22 | hardwire | interesting movie |
| 19:19:23 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:19:37 | hardwire | glad I didn't pack up one of my friends and her kid to go watch it |
| 19:19:42 | hardwire | a LITTLE TOO MANY SEXUALS IN THE WINDOW! |
| 19:20:02 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 19:20:03 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:20:18 | hardwire | sexual inuendos |
| 19:20:21 | hardwire | sexuals in the windows! |
| 19:20:26 | hardwire | neevrmind |
| 19:20:29 | hardwire | I am a goob |
| 19:20:41 | hardwire | and this chick is hot |
| 19:20:43 | hardwire | and I wanna shtoink |
| 19:20:46 | hardwire | but I can't |
| 19:20:50 | hardwire | cause its my bosses neice |
| 19:20:51 | hardwire | doh |
| 19:21:05 | hardwire | that and I didn't shower today |
| 19:21:12 | kergoth | slacker |
| 19:21:16 | hardwire | I was forced to get up at the buttcrack of the morn |
| 19:21:45 | hardwire | I wake up with the sun.. anchorage is starting to do the whole.. gets sunny at 9:00am and dark early thing |
| 19:23:53 | NetNut404_work | oz feed |
| 19:24:01 | | somebody said oz feed was http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/ |
| 19:24:01 | NetNut404_work | ibot oz feed |
| 19:28:25 | hardwire | I think I have the feed url embedded into my brain |
| 19:29:09 | hardwire | ljp_work left |
| 19:29:10 | hardwire | :( |
| 19:29:12 | hardwire | bastard |
| 19:30:08 | kergoth | bastard. |
| 19:30:25 | | rumour has it xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) |
| 19:30:25 | numatrix | ibot xcompile |
| 19:33:29 | TheMasterMind1 | bastard |
| 19:33:42 | kergoth | bastard! |
| 19:34:24 | scanline | bastard| |
| 19:35:16 | hardwire | bastard.. |
| 19:35:48 | kergoth | bastard |
| 19:35:57 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:36:01 | hardwire | time to do some dangrous routing |
| 19:36:05 | hardwire | dangerous |
| 19:36:06 | hardwire | even |
| 19:36:07 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:37:04 | TheMasterMind1 | i want to compile mplayer with sdl and libmad |
| 19:37:07 | TheMasterMind1 | its being a bitch |
| 19:38:57 | hardwire | beyatch |
| 19:39:05 | hardwire | I have a great configure line for mplayer |
| 19:39:06 | hardwire | but.. |
| 19:39:09 | hardwire | its lost |
| 19:40:03 | TheMasterMind1 | [15:30] <hardwire> god this chick is hot |
| 19:40:07 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 19:40:24 | scanline | mmmm.. sdl mplayer |
| 19:40:40 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 19:40:50 | hardwire | TheMasterMind1: I like chicks |
| 19:40:52 | TheMasterMind1 | i think that'd be better |
| 19:40:52 | hardwire | do you? |
| 19:40:59 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: yes, where is this hot chick? |
| 19:41:05 | hardwire | points |
| 19:41:08 | TheMasterMind1 | for sound i think sdl might work better |
| 19:41:11 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure about video |
| 19:41:15 | TheMasterMind1 | fbdev for video is good |
| 19:41:24 | TheMasterMind1 | don't need an extra layer in between |
| 19:41:47 | scanline | want sdl video! |
| 19:42:05 | scanline | much more useful if you could run it without completely taking over the GUI |
| 19:42:13 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm yea |
| 19:42:21 | scanline | if it's too slow, that's the GUI's fault, and the GUI should be fixed |
| 19:42:31 | hardwire | do you allow SDL fullscreen mode? |
| 19:42:38 | hardwire | in pg |
| 19:42:38 | scanline | not yet |
| 19:42:42 | hardwire | piggygui |
| 19:42:45 | hardwire | aww |
| 19:42:47 | hardwire | its socute! |
| 19:42:54 | kergoth | bastard! |
| 19:42:58 | scanline | pokes piggygui.. it squeaks! |
| 19:43:11 | hardwire | ____ _ ____ _____ _ ____ ____ _ |
| 19:43:11 | hardwire | | __ ) / \ / ___|_ _|/ \ | _ \| _ \| | |
| 19:43:11 | hardwire | | _ \ / _ \ \___ \ | | / _ \ | |_) | | | | | |
| 19:43:12 | hardwire | | |_) / ___ \ ___) || |/ ___ \| _ <| |_| |_| |
| 19:43:12 | hardwire | |____/_/ \_\____/ |_/_/ \_\_| \_\____/(_) |
| 19:43:12 | hardwire | |
| 19:43:17 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 19:43:23 | scanline | __ _ _ _ _ _ |
| 19:43:23 | scanline | / _(_) __ _| | ___| |_ __ _| |__ _ _ ___ ___ _ __| | |
| 19:43:23 | scanline | | |_| |/ _` | |/ _ \ __| / _` | '_ \| | | / __|/ _ \ '__| | |
| 19:43:24 | scanline | | _| | (_| | | __/ |_ | (_| | |_) | |_| \__ \ __/ | |_| |
| 19:43:24 | scanline | |_| |_|\__, |_|\___|\__| \__,_|_.__/ \__,_|___/\___|_| (_) |
| 19:43:24 | scanline | |___/ |
| 19:43:34 | hardwire | _____ _ _ ____ ____ _____ _ ____ __ __ _____ ____ _ |
| 19:43:34 | hardwire | |_ _| | | | _ \| _ \ | ___/ \ | _ \| \/ | ____| _ \| | |
| 19:43:34 | hardwire | | | | | | | |_) | | | | | |_ / _ \ | |_) | |\/| | _| | |_) | | |
| 19:43:34 | hardwire | | | | |_| | _ <| |_| | | _/ ___ \| _ <| | | | |___| _ <|_| |
| 19:43:35 | hardwire | |_| \___/|_| \_\____/ |_|/_/ \_\_| \_\_| |_|_____|_| \_(_) |
| 19:43:37 | hardwire | |
| 19:43:43 | hardwire | ??? |
| 19:43:51 | scanline | shikala: line 1: Monkey: command not found |
| 19:44:01 | scanline | what the... |
| 19:44:01 | hardwire | :( |
| 19:44:06 | scanline | __ __ _ |
| 19:44:06 | scanline | | \/ | ___ _ __ | | _____ _ _ |
| 19:44:06 | scanline | | |\/| |/ _ \| '_ \| |/ / _ \ | | | |
| 19:44:06 | scanline | | | | | (_) | | | | < __/ |_| | |
| 19:44:07 | scanline | |_| |_|\___/|_| |_|_|\_\___|\__, | |
| 19:44:07 | scanline | |___/ |
| 19:44:09 | scanline | _ _ _ _ |
| 19:44:10 | kergoth | bastard |
| 19:44:11 | scanline | | |__ __ _(_)_ __ __| |_ __ ___ ___ ___ ___ _ __| | |
| 19:44:13 | scanline | | '_ \ / _` | | '__/ _` | '__/ _ \/ __/ __|/ _ \ '__| | |
| 19:44:13 | hardwire | laugh his ass off |
| 19:44:15 | scanline | | | | | (_| | | | | (_| | | | __/\__ \__ \ __/ | |_| |
| 19:44:17 | scanline | |_| |_|\__,_|_|_| \__,_|_| \___||___/___/\___|_| (_) |
| 19:44:19 | scanline | |
| 19:44:37 | hardwire | ____ __ __ _____ _____ _ |
| 19:44:38 | hardwire | / ___|| \/ | ____| ____| | |
| 19:44:38 | hardwire | \___ \| |\/| | _| | _| | | |
| 19:44:38 | hardwire | ___) | | | | |___| |___|_| |
| 19:44:38 | hardwire | |____/|_| |_|_____|_____(_) |
| 19:44:38 | hardwire | |
| 19:44:43 | ljp_work | spammer |
| 19:44:50 | scanline | _ |
| 19:44:50 | scanline | __ ____ _ _________ _ _ __ | | |
| 19:44:50 | scanline | \ \ /\ / / _` |_ /_ / | | | '_ \| | |
| 19:44:50 | scanline | \ V V / (_| |/ / / /| |_| | |_) |_| |
| 19:44:51 | scanline | \_/\_/ \__,_/___/___|\__,_| .__/(_) |
| 19:44:51 | scanline | |_| |
| 19:44:55 | ljp_work | hahaha |
| 19:45:01 | hardwire | _ _ _ |
| 19:45:01 | hardwire | | |__ _____ ____| |_ _| | |
| 19:45:01 | hardwire | | '_ \ / _ \ \ /\ / / _` | | | | | |
| 19:45:01 | hardwire | | | | | (_) \ V V / (_| | |_| |_| |
| 19:45:02 | hardwire | |_| |_|\___/ \_/\_/ \__,_|\__, (_) |
| 19:45:02 | hardwire | |___/ |
| 19:45:08 | scanline | _ _ _ _ _ |
| 19:45:08 | scanline | | |__ (_) | |__ __ _ _ __ __| |_ _(_)_ __ ___ |
| 19:45:08 | scanline | | '_ \| | | '_ \ / _` | '__/ _` \ \ /\ / / | '__/ _ \ |
| 19:45:08 | scanline | | | | | | | | | | (_| | | | (_| |\ V V /| | | | __/ |
| 19:45:08 | scanline | |_| |_|_| |_| |_|\__,_|_| \__,_| \_/\_/ |_|_| \___| |
| 19:45:09 | scanline | |
| 19:45:14 | smee|h | I cant read that :) |
| 19:45:15 | hardwire | _____ _ _ _ |
| 19:45:15 | hardwire | __ _|___ / _ __ __| | ___ ___ __ _ _ __ | (_)_ __ ___ |
| 19:45:15 | hardwire | \ \ /\ / / |_ \| '__/ _` | / __|/ __/ _` | '_ \| | | '_ \ / _ \ |
| 19:45:16 | hardwire | \ V V / ___) | | | (_| | \__ \ (_| (_| | | | | | | | | | __/ |
| 19:45:16 | hardwire | \_/\_/ |____/|_| \__,_| |___/\___\__,_|_| |_|_|_|_| |_|\___| |
| 19:45:16 | hardwire | |
| 19:45:25 | scanline | ___ _ _ _ _ _ |
| 19:45:26 | scanline | _ _ / _ \ | |__ (_) __ _| |_ ___| |__ | | |
| 19:45:26 | scanline | | | | | | | | | '_ \| |/ _` | __/ __| '_ \| | |
| 19:45:26 | scanline | | |_| | |_| | | |_) | | (_| | || (__| | | |_| |
| 19:45:26 | scanline | \__, |\___/ |_.__/|_|\__,_|\__\___|_| |_(_) |
| 19:45:27 | scanline | |___/ |
| 19:45:37 | hardwire | _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |
| 19:45:37 | hardwire | ___ _ __ ___ __ _ ___| | __ | |_| |__ __ _| |_ | |__ (_) |_ ___| |__ |
| 19:45:37 | hardwire | / __| '_ ` _ \ / _` |/ __| |/ / | __| '_ \ / _` | __| | '_ \| | __/ __| '_ \ |
| 19:45:38 | hardwire | \__ \ | | | | | (_| | (__| < | |_| | | | (_| | |_ | |_) | | || (__| | | | |
| 19:45:38 | hardwire | |___/_| |_| |_|\__,_|\___|_|\_\ \__|_| |_|\__,_|\__| |_.__/|_|\__\___|_| |_| |
| 19:45:38 | hardwire | |
| 19:45:39 | hardwire | _ |
| 19:45:41 | hardwire | _ _ _ __ | | |
| 19:45:43 | hardwire | | | | | '_ \| | |
| 19:45:45 | hardwire | | |_| | |_) |_| |
| 19:45:47 | hardwire | \__,_| .__/(_) |
| 19:45:50 | hardwire | |_| |
| 19:46:06 | hardwire | did you guys see the avi of my cat attacking the person watchingm y house? |
| 19:46:09 | hardwire | my even |
| 19:46:10 | scanline | ___ _ _ _ _ _ _ |
| 19:46:10 | scanline | |_ _| | |__ ___ ___| |__ (_) | (_)_ __ |
| 19:46:10 | scanline | | | | '_ \ / _ \ / __| '_ \| | | | | '_ \ |
| 19:46:10 | scanline | | | | |_) | __/ | (__| | | | | | | | | | | |
| 19:46:10 | scanline | |___| |_.__/ \___| \___|_| |_|_|_|_|_|_| |_| |
| 19:46:10 | scanline | |
| 19:46:18 | kergoth | bastard |
| 19:46:22 | hardwire | bastard |
| 19:46:26 | scanline | bastard |
| 19:46:46 | ljp_work | spammers |
| 19:46:53 | kergoth | ljp_work: bastard! |
| 19:46:56 | scanline | bastard! |
| 19:47:03 | hardwire | http://segfault.bogomip.com/motion/2002/10/07/180559.mpg |
| 19:47:04 | ljp_work | gcc -L/opt/qt/lib -Wl,-rpath,/opt/qt/lib -o /opt/opie/bin/opieplayer2 qpeobj/main.o qpeobj/playlistselection.o qpeobj/mediaplayerstate.o qpeobj/xinecontrol.o qpeobj/videowidget.o qpeobj/audiowidget.o qpeobj/playlistwidget.o qpeobj/om3u.o qpeobj/mediaplayer.o qpeobj/inputDialog.o qpeobj/frame.o qpeobj/lib.o qpeobj/nullvideo.o qpeobj/xinevideowidget.o qpeobj/volumecontrol.o qpeobj/playlistwidgetgu |
| 19:47:05 | hardwire | watcht that |
| 19:47:08 | hardwire | err |
| 19:47:10 | hardwire | watch it! |
| 19:47:12 | ljp_work | heh |
| 19:47:13 | hardwire | its fucking funny |
| 19:47:45 | | i heard bitkeeper was at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ or at http://www.bitmover.com/ or hosted trees at http://www.bkbits.net/ or like cvs and subversion, but its non-opensource.. but its really good, even linus uses it to develop the kernel! |
| 19:47:45 | mickeyl | ibot bitkeeper |
| 19:47:53 | smee|h | 'bastard' is a number |
| 19:48:28 | kergoth | bastard |
| 19:48:53 | NetNut404_work | TheMasterMind1: where do I get this ipkg-linkthat you speak of? what package is it part of? |
| 19:48:59 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: oz-base |
| 19:49:14 | kergoth | growls |
| 19:49:49 | hardwire | http://segfault.bogomip.com/motion/2002/10/08/123202.mpg |
| 19:49:58 | hardwire | http://segfault.bogomip.com/motion/2002/10/08/125625.mpg |
| 19:50:01 | hardwire | my cat keeps looking for me |
| 20:02:54 | kergoth | argh |
| 20:02:55 | kergoth | bastard! |
| 20:03:13 | hardwire | ? |
| 20:03:17 | hardwire | my caT?! |
| 20:08:39 | ljp_work | hat |
| 20:09:33 | ljp_work | sat |
| 20:09:43 | ljp_work | fat |
| 20:09:48 | kergoth | bat |
| 20:09:48 | ljp_work | bat |
| 20:09:52 | kergoth | mat |
| 20:09:53 | ljp_work | dat |
| 20:09:59 | ljp_work | blat |
| 20:10:02 | kergoth | pat |
| 20:10:03 | kergoth | splat! |
| 20:11:00 | scanline | qat! |
| 20:11:22 | kergoth | qat? |
| 20:11:31 | ljp_work | shak |
| 20:14:33 | scanline | mnyeep! |
| 20:21:59 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: why do you have a motion sensing camera thing setup? |
| 20:22:54 | ljp_work | cause he's leet like that |
| 20:23:18 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:23:21 | TheMasterMind1 | what software do you use |
| 20:23:52 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:23:59 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer wants pthread |
| 20:24:02 | TheMasterMind1 | when i compile with sdl |
| 20:24:08 | TheMasterMind1 | and there's no libpthread installed |
| 20:24:10 | TheMasterMind1 | beh! |
| 20:26:56 | noda | Moo! |
| 20:28:31 | mickeyl | kergoth: is it possible to get a larger font on the boot-console? |
| 20:28:45 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: there's got to be pthread, I used it in the pg-sdl package |
| 20:29:04 | kergoth | mickeyl: change the default font in the kernel |
| 20:29:09 | kergoth | mickeyl: or use the utils to change the font |
| 20:29:16 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: so you have a qte sdl package yet? |
| 20:29:24 | mickeyl | kergoth: which utilities? |
| 20:29:44 | kergoth | mickeyl: um, loadfont, iirc |
| 20:29:58 | scanline | kergoth: I've been using Schumacher Clean 8 in my picogui terminal, it's IMHO just the perfect size.. wonder how easy it would be to import a BDF font into the kernel? :) |
| 20:30:10 | kergoth | hah, good question |
| 20:50:49 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: no, make it |
| 20:54:01 | scanline | I don't have opie compiled on my system! |
| 20:54:01 | scanline | I'm busy trying to fix two really difficult bugs in picogui right now |
| 20:54:02 | scanline | both in the SDL code ironically enough :) |
| 20:54:04 | | mickeyl: huh? |
| 20:54:04 | mickeyl | ibot oz bkj |
| 20:54:04 | | it has been said that oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) |
| 20:54:04 | mickeyl | ibot oz bk |
| 20:54:25 | TheMasterMind1 | arm-linux-gcc -I/zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/include -L/zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/lib/ /tmp/mplayer-conf-2251-11317.c -o /tmp/mplayer-conf-4465-11317.o -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -L/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread |
| 20:54:25 | TheMasterMind1 | /lib/libc.so.6: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 20:54:33 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't want it to read from /usr/lib and /lib!! |
| 20:54:36 | TheMasterMind1 | or /usr/include/SDL |
| 20:54:36 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 20:54:39 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid configure script |
| 20:55:17 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: figure out what variables in its makefile are setting those, and override it on the make line |
| 20:55:47 | TheMasterMind1 | that's in the configure script |
| 20:55:50 | TheMasterMind1 | i haven't gotten to make yet |
| 20:56:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: huh? configure doesnt compile |
| 20:57:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:58:21 | paq | hi kergoth |
| 21:03:02 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth yes it does |
| 21:03:08 | TheMasterMind1 | it compiles shit to check if you have libs or not |
| 21:04:13 | noda | chvt: VT_ACTIVATE: Bad file descriptor <-- what's that? |
| 21:04:35 | paq | noda - that's what i get after ipkg upgrade ;( |
| 21:04:57 | noda | lol |
| 21:04:57 | TheMasterMind1 | /usr/lib/libnsl.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 21:05:01 | TheMasterMind1 | whats libnsl |
| 21:05:07 | noda | My friggin' stylus doesn't work. |
| 21:05:22 | paq | noda - can you get in opie tho |
| 21:05:37 | noda | paq: Yep. |
| 21:05:46 | noda | paq: I'm gonna install opie-base, it seems to be an old version |
| 21:05:58 | noda | uh-oh, wireless is broken... |
| 21:06:07 | paq | i think i've gotta reflash mine yet again... sigh |
| 21:06:34 | kergoth | noda: you're trying to chvt on something other than the console maybe? |
| 21:07:04 | paq | which is the most stable version of oz? |
| 21:07:17 | noda | kergoth: That's what shows up on the console when booting, right before Opie pops up. |
| 21:07:21 | kergoth | paq: the one thats only available for testing purposes |
| 21:07:25 | noda | I'm halfway through an upgrade and Something Crashed :) |
| 21:07:29 | kergoth | noda: something is up with your devices |
| 21:08:07 | noda | I guess. I can use the console to peek around, but I have no networking. |
| 21:08:15 | noda | So I guess that's the priority. |
| 21:08:17 | paq | same here.. |
| 21:08:32 | kergoth | its a known behavior, a result of us changing device locations |
| 21:08:48 | noda | Ah. How do I fix it? iwconfig is returning nothing. |
| 21:09:04 | paq | (are all of these documented somewhere?) |
| 21:09:12 | kergoth | paq: 'all of these'? |
| 21:09:22 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: tell paq about optimized |
| 21:09:37 | paq | kergoth - the quirks of oz3 installation... for the uninitialized like myself.. |
| 21:09:40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: they upgraded to the new hostap drivers :) |
| 21:09:43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: b00m |
| 21:10:00 | paq | (having to upgrade ipkg first of all, doing opie-base upgrade from console, etc...) |
| 21:10:01 | noda | wlan0: error fetching interface information: Device not found. |
| 21:10:26 | paq | TheMasterMind1 - thanks |
| 21:10:39 | noda | Could I go into the initrd, grab the old module, stick it on CF and overwrite the current one? |
| 21:11:03 | kergoth | noda: backrev kernel-modules |
| 21:11:19 | noda | kergoth: Okay, I think I have that in my buildroot :) |
| 21:11:47 | paq | TheMasterMind1 - mind giving me a description\comparison of what the optimized feed is? |
| 21:11:56 | kergoth | paq: just a oz feed |
| 21:12:00 | kergoth | paq: built a while back |
| 21:12:14 | paq | ok |
| 21:12:22 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: why'd you put the borken hostap on there? |
| 21:12:37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the unstable feed is built from bk |
| 21:12:38 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 21:12:40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: new hostap is in bk |
| 21:12:41 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer is 2 megs |
| 21:12:42 | TheMasterMind1 | shit |
| 21:12:44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hence itts there |
| 21:12:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 21:13:23 | TheMasterMind1 | i never knew |
| 21:13:24 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well |
| 21:13:30 | TheMasterMind1 | waits for scp |
| 21:13:34 | TheMasterMind1 | i got it to compile with sdl |
| 21:13:38 | TheMasterMind1 | after a shitload of fucking with it |
| 21:15:31 | noda | takes the modules from his buildroot and reboots. |
| 21:16:37 | | somebody said oz faq was http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ or http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 21:16:37 | endr | ibot: oz faq |
| 21:16:53 | noda | Oh, duh, what an idiot I am - I just built those kernel-modules, of course they'll have the same problem :) |
| 21:17:01 | paq | hi endr |
| 21:17:12 | endr | paq: hi |
| 21:17:15 | noda | ipkg optimized |
| 21:17:22 | | optimized is new fully optmized opie/qte oz release at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ or update from the feed (tested from 2.9.5.5) http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ or or onyx4's at http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ or get konq/e at http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/konqueror-snapshot-full_0.9.1-20020912.2_arm.ipk |
| 21:17:22 | noda | ibot optimized |
| 21:17:23 | noda | Dammit :P |
| 21:17:52 | TheMasterMind1 | grab the ipk from the sf unstable optimized feed |
| 21:17:54 | TheMasterMind1 | thats old one |
| 21:18:02 | noda | 's what I'm doing :) |
| 21:18:04 | noda | Thanks :) |
| 21:18:37 | TheMasterMind1 | ./mplayerx: error while loading shared libraries: /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0: undefined symbol: cmd__12QPaintDeviceiP8QPainterP13QPDevCmdParam |
| 21:18:38 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 21:18:51 | TheMasterMind1 | i used picogui sdl |
| 21:18:54 | TheMasterMind1 | that didn't work too well |
| 21:18:55 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 21:19:02 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: make a qt sdl! |
| 21:19:05 | scanline | :P |
| 21:19:12 | scanline | what was wrong with the picogui sdl? |
| 21:19:13 | TheMasterMind1 | that sucks |
| 21:19:18 | TheMasterMind1 | i got that error |
| 21:19:27 | scanline | uh... |
| 21:19:28 | TheMasterMind1 | QPainter is invalid symbol |
| 21:19:37 | scanline | that's not from picogui |
| 21:19:41 | TheMasterMind1 | exactly |
| 21:19:45 | scanline | that's from the Qt sdl |
| 21:19:48 | TheMasterMind1 | don't i need the qt libsdl to run it on qt |
| 21:19:53 | TheMasterMind1 | or can i use the picogui sdl |
| 21:20:06 | TheMasterMind1 | i built mplayer against picogui sdl, i need to run it on qt with qt's sdl |
| 21:20:06 | scanline | you need the qt sdl.. but that error message looks like it came from the qt sdl |
| 21:20:13 | TheMasterMind1 | meaning i need qt sdl in the buildroot |
| 21:20:14 | TheMasterMind1 | so add it |
| 21:20:25 | scanline | gofuckoff :P |
| 21:20:26 | scanline | ;) |
| 21:20:32 | TheMasterMind1 | does this mean you need a mplayer-qt and mplayer-pg |
| 21:20:33 | TheMasterMind1 | etc? |
| 21:20:38 | scanline | no |
| 21:20:44 | TheMasterMind1 | then what |
| 21:20:48 | noda | The optimized feed isn't working... |
| 21:21:11 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: try setting LD_PRELOAD to the qte libraries as a workaround |
| 21:21:12 | noda | I did an ipkg install kernel-modules-blah-blah-blah-blah but still no goodness. |
| 21:21:31 | kergoth | noda: wget it |
| 21:21:35 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: where is this? |
| 21:21:37 | kergoth | noda: it probably thinks its already up to date |
| 21:21:42 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: I have enough problems of my own that I don't feel like debugging yours right now |
| 21:21:47 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 21:21:48 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: it's an environment variable |
| 21:21:48 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:21:55 | noda | kergoth: Well of course I did, I installed off CF - I have no network :) |
| 21:21:59 | TheMasterMind1 | while compiling or running? |
| 21:22:00 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:22:16 | noda | grins. |
| 21:22:20 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: running |
| 21:22:26 | scanline | LD_PRELOAD is used by ld.so |
| 21:22:33 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmk |
| 21:22:35 | noda | I'll try uninstall/reinstalling. |
| 21:22:44 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: the app using SDL has to also be linked against the GUI's libs, but that's a workaround |
| 21:22:55 | TheMasterMind1 | ah i see |
| 21:23:06 | TheMasterMind1 | finds the gui's libs |
| 21:23:13 | scanline | for example to run apps linked with X's libsdl on picogui I can install a picogui libSDL and set LD_PRELOAD to the full path of libpgui.so |
| 21:23:39 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: I think QT/e uses more than one library, you'll want to LD_PRELOAD them all.. I think it's colon-separated but maybe not |
| 21:23:53 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: this is not a solution, it's a workaround |
| 21:23:53 | TheMasterMind1 | yay |
| 21:23:59 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 21:23:59 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:24:02 | TheMasterMind1 | it segfaulted now |
| 21:24:04 | TheMasterMind1 | making progress |
| 21:25:13 | noda | Hey, kernel-modules doesn't include the hostap drivers? |
| 21:26:09 | TheMasterMind1 | QPaintDevice: Must construct a QApplication before a QPaintDevice |
| 21:26:28 | noda | Which package contains hostap.o? |
| 21:26:46 | noda | Oh, and who thinks installing glibc-2.3 will break my computer? :P |
| 21:28:06 | kergoth | noda: backrev your pcmcia-cs too |
| 21:28:14 | noda | Ah, will do. |
| 21:28:14 | kergoth | noda: the new pcmcia-cs package Depends on the latest kernel-modules |
| 21:28:19 | kergoth | noda: cause the module name c hanges |
| 21:28:21 | kergoth | changed i mean |
| 21:28:28 | noda | Oh, okay. |
| 21:28:32 | noda | pcmcia seems to work though :) |
| 21:28:44 | kergoth | yeah, it will |
| 21:28:54 | kergoth | pcmcia-cs' config files determine what module it'll try to load |
| 21:29:04 | noda | Okay, gotta plan this carefully, don't want to uninstall pcmcia-cs before I get the files off my CF card :) |
| 21:29:22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:29:33 | kergoth | thats like when we had to remove wget to upgrade busybox |
| 21:29:35 | kergoth | fun stuff |
| 21:29:37 | noda | Woo! # /lib/libc.so.6 -- GNU C Library development release version 2.3, by Roland McGrath et al. |
| 21:29:43 | noda | Compiled by GNU CC version 3.2. |
| 21:29:50 | noda | Hehehe |
| 21:29:51 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:30:47 | | optimized is new fully optmized opie/qte oz release at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ or update from the feed (tested from 2.9.5.5) http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ or or onyx4's at http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ or get konq/e at http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/konqueror-snapshot-full_0.9.1-20020912.2_arm.ipk |
| 21:30:47 | noda | ibot optimized |
| 21:31:59 | noda | should really bookmark that... |
| 21:38:13 | noda | Woo! Network is back! :) |
| 21:38:13 | noda | Thanks :) |
| 21:38:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:38:31 | kergoth | btw |
| 21:38:44 | kergoth | i yanked that pcmcia-cs and kernel modules package, until the kinks are worked out |
| 21:38:47 | kergoth | see |
| 21:38:53 | kergoth | thats the problem with autogenerating a feed from the bk/cvs tree |
| 21:39:49 | noda | Heh |
| 21:39:51 | noda | Damn. |
| 21:40:10 | noda | Well, there's nothing wrong with autogenerating a feed, it's just that it shouldn't be the only feed out there :) |
| 21:40:31 | noda | Now to work on getting the stylus working :) |
| 21:41:33 | kergoth | noda: true that |
| 21:42:46 | kergoth | noda: i'll throw up a testing feed |
| 21:42:57 | kergoth | witht he packages from the last release, and known good packages |
| 21:43:19 | noda | The optimized release would do nicely, no? |
| 21:43:42 | noda | kergoth: Any advice on which packages to play with to get the stylus working? :) |
| 21:43:53 | noda | Oh, I suppose I could try recalibrating... |
| 21:44:07 | noda | Meh. No such luck. |
| 21:47:27 | noda | Hey, is it just me who can't click on stuff on the Z through VNC? |
| 21:54:40 | kergoth | noda: hold, let me try to remember how the fbvncserver works |
| 21:54:47 | kergoth | noda: you installed fbvncserver-oz, not fbvncserver, right? |
| 21:55:13 | paq | how to send ctrl-c to console...? |
| 21:55:29 | kergoth | pure console? cant. |
| 21:55:37 | kergoth | due to a flaw in the zaurus keyboard handling |
| 21:55:38 | kergoth | thank Lineo |
| 21:55:43 | paq | ipkg is stuck at 'removing obsolesced file..' |
| 21:56:01 | paq | oh great... i feel another reflash coming. |
| 21:56:44 | | well, sync is done on an application level. What apps do you want to sync to on my pc? |
| 21:56:44 | cerezu | ibot sync |
| 21:56:55 | cerezu | can anyone give me info on syncing with linux? |
| 21:56:58 | kergoth | okay guys, i'm determined to release a new initrd.bin tonight or tomorrow |
| 21:57:01 | kergoth | cerezu: oz faq |
| 21:57:06 | cerezu | k, hehe |
| 21:57:10 | | faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html |
| 21:57:10 | cerezu | ibot faq |
| 21:57:19 | paq | woot!@#! \ |
| 21:57:52 | | oz faq is http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ or http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 21:57:52 | cerezu | ibot oz faq |
| 21:59:15 | cerezu | kergoth: any info on the usbd0 driver for linux? or would that come w/the trolltech? |
| 21:59:28 | | hmmm... howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ or see xcompile for cross compiler setup |
| 21:59:28 | kergoth | ibot howto |
| 21:59:31 | kergoth | go there |
| 21:59:43 | paq | btw, who did the oz logo? it's great! |
| 21:59:46 | cerezu | kergoth: didnt know they had that site on zauruszone |
| 22:00:21 | cerezu | who here uses KDevelop? |
| 22:00:38 | kergoth | once in a while |
| 22:00:57 | cerezu | any better applications that are less heavy? |
| 22:01:06 | cerezu | that have syntax coloring and what not? |
| 22:01:14 | kergoth | personally, i use vim |
| 22:01:17 | kergoth | and kvim if i need a gui |
| 22:01:20 | kergoth | but thas me :) |
| 22:01:34 | cerezu | ah, isee |
| 22:01:39 | cerezu | does it have syntax coloring? |
| 22:01:54 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:03:15 | cerezu | a version of vi? |
| 22:03:18 | cerezu | vim, that is? |
| 22:03:33 | cerezu | also, how do you see what kernel version you have? |
| 22:03:50 | kergoth | uname |
| 22:04:04 | kergoth | yes, vim is a vi, just an enhanced one |
| 22:04:09 | cerezu | um? |
| 22:04:10 | kergoth | uname -a is probably what you're looking for |
| 22:04:13 | cerezu | oh ok |
| 22:04:14 | cerezu | lol |
| 22:04:21 | cerezu | I was about to say, regular uname just says "Linux" |
| 22:04:22 | cerezu | lol |
| 22:04:23 | kergoth | i guess Linux doesnt help huh |
| 22:04:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:04:25 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:04:48 | cerezu | lol, i would guess not :) |
| 22:05:06 | cerezu | gotta love running slackware on a 1.8ghz machine |
| 22:05:32 | cerezu | just it doesn't seem much faster than my tbird 900mhz |
| 22:05:55 | noda | cerezu: You using DMA? |
| 22:06:45 | cerezu | noda: for what? |
| 22:07:03 | cerezu | noda: is it enabled, you mean? |
| 22:07:42 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 22:07:48 | noda | cerezu: Yeah |
| 22:07:57 | noda | cerezu: That makes for a huge speed difference, might be the lag you're noticing. |
| 22:10:03 | cerezu | noda: hrm |
| 22:10:08 | cerezu | noda: how do I enable it? |
| 22:13:54 | noda | cerezu: I forget. hdparms or something :) |
| 22:13:54 | noda | hdparm -d /dev/hda (as root) |
| 22:15:46 | cerezu | if microsoft actually put windows under the gpl, do you think people would be using that? HELL NO. |
| 22:15:48 | cerezu | hehe |
| 22:15:57 | kergoth | bastard! |
| 22:20:30 | ljp | ya |
| 22:22:34 | | xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) |
| 22:22:34 | cerezu | ibot xcompile |
| 22:26:38 | ljp | blob |
| 22:27:20 | kergoth | bastard |
| 22:27:34 | ljp | blobstard |
| 22:28:59 | ljp | it helps to erase the ramdisk before trying to flash it |
| 22:30:52 | ljp | blah |
| 22:31:56 | ljp | I'm going to kick this monitors ass if it doesnt start behaving |
| 22:39:26 | Hauke-X | heh, had a HD that was misbehaving once... It ended up with a .460" hole in it. |
| 22:42:41 | paq | cya guys later... |
| 22:48:13 | cerezu | If I installed everything for linux syncing, but I do not get a usb0 interface, and cannot see it or use it with ifconfig -a, what could be the problem? |
| 22:49:32 | prpplague | evening all |
| 22:49:43 | endr | kergoth`ARGH: upset enough to delete oz.sf.net/feeds/3.0 ? |
| 22:50:15 | jmhodges | oof |
| 22:50:47 | noda | thinks that'd be pretty upset. |
| 22:50:49 | jmhodges | im doing an ipkg update on a very old rom (relativiely) and cant seem to even get wget to pick up the pkg list :/ resovle works and so does ping |
| 22:51:05 | endr | it's done |
| 22:51:29 | endr | s/done/gone/ rather |
| 22:51:42 | jmhodges | AH |
| 22:51:47 | jmhodges | the url changed |
| 22:51:49 | jmhodges | spectacular |
| 22:51:51 | jmhodges | :-D |
| 22:52:27 | endr | well kergoth might be rebuilding it...he mentioned he was in the throes of releasing a new initrd so perhaps packages need rebuilding too... |
| 22:52:29 | jmhodges | ok now which do i shoot for stable or official>? |
| 22:52:34 | endr | unstable :) |
| 22:52:38 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 22:52:48 | endr | if you find anything in the other I'll be surprised |
| 22:52:55 | endr | s/other/others/ |
| 22:52:55 | jmhodges | you mean stable? |
| 22:52:58 | jmhodges | oh |
| 22:53:21 | jmhodges | sweet :-D |
| 22:53:51 | endr | I've got a local backup of feeds/3.0 as of last night...but unstable looks to be there & Packages file is current |
| 22:54:06 | jmhodges | endr: yeah and everything else is empty :-D hehe |
| 22:54:43 | endr | jmhodges: yup, but I guess developers have to develop sometimes and not answer our questions :) |
| 22:55:01 | endr | jmhodges: I would imagine when 3.0 comes out stable will take on new meaning |
| 22:55:56 | jmhodges | endr: hehe yeah ;) |
| 22:56:14 | noda | endr: lol, you mean "only crash once every two days"? :P |
| 22:56:25 | cerezu | If I installed everything for linux syncing, but I do not get a usb0 interface, and cannot see it or use it with ifconfig -a, what could be the problem? |
| 22:56:28 | jmhodges | hell it can crash |
| 22:56:35 | jmhodges | as long as it stops freezing ;) |
| 22:56:40 | endr | noda: heh, I mean stylus working :)... |
| 22:56:43 | noda | cerezu: Is this on the Zaurus or your desktop? |
| 22:56:48 | noda | endr: Oh, rofl |
| 22:56:56 | noda | endr: Did you hear what kergoth was putting me through on #zaurus? :P |
| 22:56:57 | cerezu | noda: my desktop |
| 22:56:57 | endr | noda: but it looks damn cool :) |
| 22:57:04 | noda | The entire /dev moved :P |
| 22:57:10 | endr | noda: saw it -- was waiting for it to work so I could emulate it ! |
| 22:57:13 | noda | cerezu: Is the module loaded? modprobe usbdnet |
| 22:57:21 | endr | noda: I'm sure it will be all good soon |
| 22:57:25 | noda | endr: It works. Except I have to manually mount /mnt/ram |
| 22:57:31 | jmhodges | yow |
| 22:57:50 | prpplague | kergoth`ARGH: i got that sshv1 pub key, where should i send it? |
| 22:57:58 | jmhodges | FUC |
| 22:57:59 | jmhodges | K |
| 22:58:04 | jmhodges | fuck fuck fuck |
| 22:58:10 | endr | noda: aha...can you, like, summarize what actually you needed to do? Kergoth did a big string substitution on the critical line... |
| 22:58:12 | jmhodges | my ipkg upgrade just borked one me |
| 22:58:16 | jmhodges | goddamn |
| 22:58:23 | prpplague | jmhodges: hmm that sounds like the audio for a pr0n mpg |
| 22:58:23 | noda | endr: Nah, got rid of it, sorry :P |
| 22:58:25 | endr | jmhodges: mine too, but how'd yours mess up |
| 22:58:27 | jmhodges | and now ipkg no longer exists |
| 22:58:32 | endr | noda: ok, I've got logs then... |
| 22:58:34 | endr | jmhodges: ouch |
| 22:58:35 | noda | endr: Best advice, since you don't mind flashing it seems: Wait 'til the new image. Might come out tonight :) |
| 22:58:42 | noda | endr: I repeated exactly what I was going to type twice :) |
| 22:58:48 | jmhodges | Downloading http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/unstable/opie-cardmon_0.9.1-20021006_arm.ipk |
| 22:58:49 | jmhodges | wget: Temporary failure in name resolution: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 22:58:49 | jmhodges | ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp |
| 22:58:52 | jmhodges | then TONS of errors |
| 22:59:14 | endr | noda: agreed, if I wasn't in the middle of upgrading or knew what was good for me |
| 22:59:15 | noda | endr: If you want the ipk... oh, shit, I deleted it :P |
| 22:59:22 | cerezu | noda: I installed the drivers for everything on my slackware machine, in /var/log/messages it detects if I take it off the cradle and put it on, but I get no usb0 interface |
| 22:59:22 | Onyx4`work | jmhodges: the feed address changed |
| 22:59:22 | noda | Oh, it's still on the feed. |
| 22:59:36 | kergoth`zzz | Onyx4`work: doesnt matter, old was was symlinked to new |
| 22:59:40 | noda | cerezu: That's weird. |
| 22:59:41 | kergoth`zzz | Onyx4`work: well, until about 20 minutes ago |
| 22:59:47 | Onyx4`work | ok :) |
| 22:59:58 | jmhodges | Onyx4`work: no i changed it |
| 22:59:59 | endr | jmhodges: doh...might need to reflash unless you can get the ipkg command over via network or something |
| 23:00:00 | cerezu | noda: is there a generic way to get the interface or load the usb modules? |
| 23:00:06 | jmhodges | endr: son of a bitch |
| 23:00:12 | noda | if ifconfig -a doesn't show it, it's not working :) |
| 23:00:14 | jmhodges | endr: wheres the new rom? |
| 23:00:36 | endr | jmhodges: which new one? Kergoth's putting out a new one as we speak (if you mean OZ). |
| 23:00:43 | cerezu | noda: I made bzImage and everything, and then rebooted, but it didn't make a difference. |
| 23:00:49 | noda | He is? Doesn't he have to fix my Bug(tm) first? :) |
| 23:00:59 | jmhodges | endr: of course OZ :-D |
| 23:01:03 | jmhodges | endr: as we speak eh? |
| 23:01:03 | noda | cerezu: It's a module, you don't have to make bzimage. |
| 23:01:10 | noda | cerezu: make modules && make modules_install |
| 23:01:14 | noda | modprobe usbdnet |
| 23:01:18 | noda | ifconfig -a |
| 23:01:24 | jmhodges | tarballing my data as we speak |
| 23:01:29 | jmhodges | thank GOD for scp :-D |
| 23:01:29 | kergoth`zzz | okay guys |
| 23:01:30 | endr | jmhodges: i believe so...kinda like the midnight launch of Win95, only real software this time |
| 23:01:39 | jmhodges | endr: lol |
| 23:01:42 | kergoth`zzz | i'm working on reverting some of the changes i hoped to get into this version |
| 23:01:42 | endr | waits expectantly |
| 23:01:47 | jmhodges | heheheeh |
| 23:01:47 | kergoth`zzz | just to get something out there |
| 23:01:53 | jmhodges | :-D |
| 23:01:53 | noda | Like which? PLEASE don't tell me the /dev stuff :P |
| 23:01:54 | kergoth`zzz | i'll do a 2.9.7.1 or something |
| 23:01:56 | endr | can wait for good stuff... |
| 23:02:00 | jmhodges | hugs kergoth`zzz |
| 23:02:03 | kergoth`zzz | noda: /dev stays in its altered state |
| 23:02:07 | noda | Phew :) |
| 23:02:07 | jmhodges | kergoth`ARGH ? |
| 23:02:07 | cerezu | modprobe usbdnet |
| 23:02:08 | kergoth`zzz | noda: i'm pulling the bootmenu stuff |
| 23:02:13 | kergoth`zzz | noda: :) |
| 23:02:18 | cerezu | dnet.o symbol for parameter echo_tx not foun |
| 23:02:26 | kergoth`zzz | cerezu: harmless |
| 23:02:30 | noda | kergoth`zzz: Did you figure out a way to get /dev/whatever-it-was copied? |
| 23:02:33 | prpplague | kergoth`zzz: what email address do i need to send this key to? |
| 23:02:35 | noda | Hell, I can just do that manually, can't I. |
| 23:02:40 | | it has been said that kergoth is at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 23:02:40 | kergoth`zzz | ibot kergoth |
| 23:02:44 | cerezu | lol |
| 23:02:48 | noda | Oh, right, the problem was that I can't log in :P |
| 23:02:51 | kergoth`zzz | hehe |
| 23:02:53 | kergoth`zzz | exactly |
| 23:02:57 | cerezu | noda: lol, they should add that to that page |
| 23:03:08 | cerezu | noda: because modprobe usbdnet worked, but they mention nothing about that |
| 23:03:11 | noda | Makes things a little more complicated. |
| 23:03:20 | jmhodges | ok so since ive been out of the scene for a while |
| 23:03:21 | noda | kergoth`zzz: Should I upgrade busybox? I never do any more because I'm too scared of breaking stuff :) |
| 23:03:30 | kergoth`zzz | noda: busybox wont have any new versions for a while |
| 23:03:33 | jmhodges | is it now REALLY multi-user or is it still root mainly? |
| 23:03:36 | kergoth`zzz | noda: i locked down the version to a specific cvs date |
| 23:03:41 | kergoth`zzz | noda: to prevent breakage |
| 23:03:43 | noda | kergoth`zzz: Oh. Well, mine's not up-to-date. |
| 23:03:45 | kergoth`zzz | noda: now we update version only after testing. |
| 23:03:47 | kergoth`zzz | noda: :) |
| 23:03:51 | noda | lol |
| 23:03:53 | noda | Neat :) |
| 23:03:55 | kergoth`zzz | testing, what a concept! |
| 23:03:57 | kergoth`zzz | boggles |
| 23:04:08 | noda | doesn't believe you. |
| 23:04:10 | endr | is shocked by the thought of testing. |
| 23:04:32 | kergoth`zzz | oh |
| 23:04:38 | kergoth`zzz | and i'm going to start writing an OZ policy manual |
| 23:04:41 | noda | Hey, aqpkg is on the feed? Does it work? |
| 23:04:42 | noda | Heh |
| 23:04:52 | kergoth`zzz | noda: should work. its not as powerful as oipkg, but its easier to use |
| 23:05:01 | prpplague | kergoth`zzz: ok on the way |
| 23:05:04 | kergoth`zzz | prpplague: great |
| 23:05:09 | endr | kergoth`zzz: manual? You're not really tired of us asking questions, are you? |
| 23:05:10 | | kergoth`zzz: I forgot kergoth |
| 23:05:10 | kergoth`zzz | ibot forget kergoth |
| 23:05:11 | [DrEvil] | does it work consistently? |
| 23:05:14 | prpplague | kergoth`zzz: i hope i generated the key properly |
| 23:05:34 | | OK, kergoth`zzz. |
| 23:05:34 | kergoth`zzz | ibot kergoth is <reply> Kergoth is banging his head against a wall at the moment. please leave a message and he'll get back to you as soon as he can. *BEEP* |
| 23:05:36 | | Kergoth is banging his head against a wall at the moment. please leave a message and he'll get back to you as soon as he can. *BEEP* |
| 23:05:36 | kergoth`zzz | ibot kergoth |
| 23:05:36 | prpplague | reads bk howto's |
| 23:06:23 | jmhodges | lol kergoth` |
| 23:06:36 | prpplague | kergoth`zzz: another day, another ulcer |
| 23:06:37 | noda | Hey, new decor! I like "flat"! :) |
| 23:06:40 | kergoth`zzz | prpplague: no shit |
| 23:06:43 | kergoth`zzz | noda: hehe |
| 23:06:48 | kergoth`zzz | noda: the new decorations are nifty |
| 23:06:50 | kergoth`zzz | noda: htey're from qtopia 1.6 |
| 23:06:53 | noda | Very sweet :) |
| 23:06:55 | endr | noda: hey, ever see this when ipkg install'ing oz-base: "ipkg: Cannot create symlink from ./dev to '/var/dev': File exists"? |
| 23:07:17 | noda | endr: Yeah, it's in the log |
| 23:07:19 | kergoth`zzz | hehe |
| 23:07:25 | endr | lol |
| 23:07:32 | kergoth`zzz | ookay |
| 23:07:36 | kergoth`zzz | when this initrd comes out |
| 23:07:41 | kergoth`zzz | i need to spread the word |
| 23:07:43 | kergoth`zzz | far and wide |
| 23:07:45 | kergoth`zzz | and shit |
| 23:07:48 | endr | heheh |
| 23:08:17 | jmhodges | ok so where is the latest and greatest rom being posted? sf? |
| 23:08:35 | kergoth`zzz | jmhodges: SF. I may set up a few mirrors as well |
| 23:08:39 | jmhodges | sweet |
| 23:08:42 | prpplague | jmhodges: http://www.whitehouse.com/openzaurus |
| 23:08:44 | jmhodges | i hate being out of the loop |
| 23:08:48 | jmhodges | prpplague: hehe |
| 23:09:02 | kergoth`zzz | prpplague: i can imagine the kernel boot logo on that version |
| 23:09:04 | kergoth`zzz | prpplague: :) |
| 23:09:28 | endr | wow, where can I get that software...you guys have been holding back on the good stuff I see >). |
| 23:09:36 | endr | erm, I mean hardware... |
| 23:10:07 | noda | Wow, you can do per-program screen rotation? |
| 23:10:13 | kergoth`zzz | nifty eh? |
| 23:10:14 | cerezu | noda: damn, cant get the ifconfig to work now. |
| 23:10:17 | prpplague | btw,if anyone is wondering why i'm always making bad jokes, its the only way i can cope with the stupidity i deal with at work all day |
| 23:10:21 | kergoth`zzz | noda: i've been hoping for that for a long time |
| 23:10:26 | kergoth`zzz | prpplague: i didnt wonder. :) |
| 23:10:38 | noda | cerezu: Whee. When that happens it means the driver sucks and you have to reboot. Guess why I got wireless :P |
| 23:10:47 | endr | has no excuse except that it's 1:15 am |
| 23:10:52 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 23:11:04 | cerezu | noda: alright I'll be right back |
| 23:11:07 | noda | Wow, I love this new decor :) |
| 23:11:10 | kergoth`zzz | hehe |
| 23:11:14 | kergoth`zzz | noda: opie is coming along *fast* |
| 23:11:23 | noda | woos. |
| 23:11:24 | kergoth`zzz | noda: the new pim stuff is being merged too, all the new pim shit coming soon |
| 23:11:33 | kergoth`zzz | noda: crossreferencing, recurring todos, etc |
| 23:11:47 | jmhodges | oh sweet |
| 23:12:06 | kergoth`zzz | fuck, i need more hard disk space |
| 23:12:09 | kergoth`zzz | ah well |
| 23:12:12 | noda | kergoth`zzz: crossreferencing? What's that? |
| 23:12:20 | kergoth`zzz | noda: links between pim items |
| 23:12:21 | noda | recurring todos, now there's something I can understand :) |
| 23:12:25 | kergoth`zzz | noda: i.e. todos on the calander |
| 23:12:30 | noda | kergoth`zzz: Sweet :) |
| 23:12:32 | kergoth`zzz | noda: addressbook birthdays on the calander |
| 23:12:34 | kergoth`zzz | noda: etc |
| 23:12:37 | endr | very nice |
| 23:12:43 | noda | kergoth`zzz: This will upgrade without losing my current data? :) |
| 23:13:05 | jmhodges | woot data saved with no hassle |
| 23:13:15 | kergoth`zzz | noda: there'll be conversion tools, iirc |
| 23:13:16 | endr | no, can't be |
| 23:13:18 | kergoth`zzz | noda: ask zecke for details |
| 23:13:27 | kergoth`zzz | noda: he and stefan eilers are behind the pim work |
| 23:13:28 | noda | nods. |
| 23:13:50 | noda | Well first I'm gonna install another window decoration :) |
| 23:14:03 | | zecke is, like, a insane drunken opie and kde hacker responsible for tons of bugs paid by Ximian to kill Qt mailto:killQt@ximian.com |
| 23:14:03 | endr | ibot: zecke |
| 23:14:05 | endr | lol |
| 23:14:29 | prpplague | wonders why all the rpms he needs are on the last cdrom he checks |
| 23:15:06 | jmhodges | prpplague: cause other wise you wouldnt have found them |
| 23:15:17 | jmhodges | prpplague: ;) but i think you mean the last cdrom available |
| 23:15:34 | kergoth`zzz | root: IRCing as root is bad, whoever you are |
| 23:15:36 | root | noda: now the usb0 driver wont start again |
| 23:15:42 | kergoth`zzz | heh |
| 23:15:54 | cerezu | damn KSirc |
| 23:15:55 | kergoth`zzz | smacks cerezu with a book on security |
| 23:16:04 | [DrEvil] | uses the ClueBat on cerezu |
| 23:16:26 | kergoth`zzz | oh everyone who uses the bk tree, I'm tagging the tree as of the release date |
| 23:16:31 | [DrEvil] | if this works I will be totally bewildered |
| 23:16:35 | [DrEvil] | tagging? |
| 23:16:36 | cerezu | noda: any ideas? |
| 23:16:37 | kergoth`zzz | so you'll always be able to revert to oz as of this point in time |
| 23:16:39 | kergoth`zzz | yep |
| 23:16:41 | kergoth`zzz | like cvs tags |
| 23:16:43 | noda | on phone |
| 23:16:43 | [DrEvil] | what does that mean to me |
| 23:16:47 | kergoth`zzz | mark the tree as of a certain date |
| 23:16:49 | kergoth`zzz | it means |
| 23:16:51 | kergoth`zzz | if future changes break anything |
| 23:16:51 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 23:16:52 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 23:16:58 | kergoth`zzz | you can always build oz 2.9.7 |
| 23:17:05 | prpplague | jmhodges: ya last cdrom available |
| 23:17:13 | kergoth`zzz | or just pull the tree at that date to see what versions of things were in it |
| 23:17:54 | [DrEvil] | I need to burn the tree to CD before I update this machine |
| 23:18:23 | cerezu | what's the diff between ifconfig -a and ifconfig, rather what does -a do? |
| 23:18:46 | endr | -a shows all if's, not just UP |
| 23:19:05 | cerezu | whats a UP? |
| 23:19:37 | endr | UP = active |
| 23:19:46 | [DrEvil] | as opposed to down |
| 23:19:48 | endr | # ifconfig |
| 23:19:48 | endr | lo Link encap:Local Loopback |
| 23:19:48 | endr | inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 |
| 23:19:48 | endr | UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 |
| 23:20:04 | prpplague | cerezu: and often non-posix system don't allow ifconfig to be issue without a option arg so -a is provide for posix compatibility |
| 23:21:42 | kergoth`zzz | reverts the hostap driver back to a known functional state |
| 23:21:47 | kergoth`zzz | hugs BK |
| 23:22:15 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 23:22:19 | jmhodges | ick the new license is worse thatn normal |
| 23:22:22 | [DrEvil] | this cordless mouse is wierd to use |
| 23:22:31 | jmhodges | [DrEvil]: hehe how? |
| 23:22:37 | [DrEvil] | I keep reaching for it in it's normal place when it is really in the charging stand |
| 23:22:39 | endr | kergoth`zzz: if BK and CVS had a fight, who would win? |
| 23:22:41 | ljp | whats with all the frickn baseball games on FOX? I want simpsons! |
| 23:22:43 | kergoth`zzz | jmhodges: you mean the portion where you cant develop on the svn or cvs projects without losing your free license? |
| 23:22:50 | kergoth`zzz | endr: bk is a superior system, but isnt open source |
| 23:22:56 | jmhodges | kergoth`zzz: sactly, other than that im fine with it |
| 23:23:04 | jmhodges | kergoth`zzz: so not worse than normal |
| 23:23:09 | [DrEvil] | I keep grabbing thin air ober my mousepad |
| 23:23:09 | ljp | cvs would win |
| 23:23:15 | jmhodges | kergoth`zzz: :/ |
| 23:23:21 | kergoth`zzz | jmhodges: i can understand it, its a business, they didnt *have* to give us free licenses at all. so its their right to decide the terms |
| 23:23:33 | kergoth`zzz | jmhodges: just the nature of capitalism. such is the way business works |
| 23:23:46 | jmhodges | kergoth`zzz: yeah it just seems like a bad compromise imho |
| 23:24:00 | [DrEvil] | I really like the mouse though |
| 23:24:03 | kergoth`zzz | jmhodges: personally, i use whatever meets my needs, regardless of its source. but thats me, most people arent that way |
| 23:24:05 | endr | jmhodges: not if it works better...but I've only used cvs... |
| 23:24:14 | endr | ljp: why do you say that? |
| 23:24:17 | kergoth`zzz | endr: exactly, i use waht meets my needs. |
| 23:24:34 | endr | nods. |
| 23:25:23 | ljp | cause cvs rulz |
| 23:25:25 | kergoth`zzz | okay, i reverted the recent bits that broke things. doing a build to test. |
| 23:25:43 | kergoth`zzz | oh, forgot a couple device permissions fixes |
| 23:25:45 | kergoth`zzz | fixes |
| 23:25:45 | ibz|away | kergoth`zzz: but cvs meets your needs no? |
| 23:25:54 | endr | does like cvs, but is uninformed about BK. |
| 23:26:01 | kergoth`zzz | ibz|away: not really. its lack of functionality makes maintainance a bitch |
| 23:26:29 | endr | kergoth`zzz: maintenance of...code or of the repository? |
| 23:26:32 | kergoth`zzz | ibz|away: dave jones said that what he does to maintain his kernel tree takes about 4-5 hours with cvs, and 20 minutes with bk |
| 23:26:33 | ljp | for big projects, cvs can become unwieldy |
| 23:26:34 | kergoth`zzz | endr: repository |
| 23:26:53 | endr | kergoth`zzz: really? In what sense? I maintain a pretty big one at work... |
| 23:26:53 | cerezu | oh, okay |
| 23:27:07 | kergoth`zzz | endr: my favorite one, is cvs has no rename/move handling. at all. |
| 23:27:14 | kergoth`zzz | endr: bk handles renames and moves smoothly. bk mv blah newfile; |
| 23:27:39 | prpplague | brb |
| 23:27:44 | ibz|away | kergoth`zzz: yeah, i heard that too. but linus and the kernel developers have played into bitkeepers arms... |
| 23:27:46 | kergoth`zzz | endr: its tools for merging are superior. its built on a peer to peer system, not client-server, (in a sense), which means its less prone to failure |
| 23:27:49 | endr | kergoth`zzz: ah yes, that's a good point. You can mess with the repository RCS files for CVS, but of course it's not graceful. |
| 23:27:59 | kergoth`zzz | ibz|away: i doubt that. Larry follows linus' wishes a lot of the time |
| 23:28:07 | ljp | woot! saving to ramdisk worked! |
| 23:28:12 | kergoth`zzz | endr: try doing renames/moves of a file within one branch, and not within another. |
| 23:28:14 | kergoth`zzz | endr: good luck ;) |
| 23:28:20 | endr | kergoth`zzz: ah, merging -- another fun thing. |
| 23:28:25 | endr | shudders. |
| 23:28:36 | endr | kergoth`zzz: yes that would be bad |
| 23:28:45 | kergoth`zzz | endr: bk has tools for handling merging, and its automatic merging is smart, it doesnt just slam the files together like cvs does |
| 23:28:47 | endr | branch late, branch seldom |
| 23:28:51 | kergoth`zzz | endr: indeed |
| 23:28:58 | endr | has to look into BK. |
| 23:29:03 | kergoth`zzz | with bk, every person who pulls down the source, clones the entire repository |
| 23:29:04 | ibz|away | i mean in terms of all the people jumping on bitkeeper because the kernel developers do, regardless of license. |
| 23:29:07 | | it has been said that bitkeeper is at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ or at http://www.bitmover.com/ or hosted trees at http://www.bkbits.net/ or like cvs and subversion, but its non-opensource.. but its really good, even linus uses it to develop the kernel! |
| 23:29:07 | scanline | ibot: bitkeeper |
| 23:29:22 | kergoth`zzz | ibz|away: i use it because its powerful and meets my needs, not because they did. I cant speak for others |
| 23:29:36 | ibz|away | fair enough. |
| 23:29:54 | cerezu | kergoth`zzz: what could be wrong w/my ifconfig configuration if I telnet to 192.168.129.201 and it connects to localhost? |
| 23:30:10 | kergoth`zzz | cerezu: um, ont he z or desktop? |
| 23:30:17 | endr | /etc/hosts? or weird dns server. |
| 23:30:19 | cerezu | kergoth`zzz: the desktop |
| 23:30:26 | ibz|away | cerezu: 192.168.129.201 is a local interface? |
| 23:30:39 | cerezu | 192.168.129.201 is supposed to be the zaurus |
| 23:30:57 | ibz|away | but it's not if it is looping back |
| 23:30:58 | endr | cerezu: wrong IP set on the interface. it's usually .211, right? |
| 23:31:10 | endr | cerezu: [for the desktop machine] |
| 23:31:13 | ibz|away | .211? |
| 23:31:16 | cerezu | huh? |
| 23:31:20 | ibz|away | .201 |
| 23:31:22 | endr | 192.168.129.211 |
| 23:31:27 | cerezu | no, 201 |
| 23:31:34 | kergoth`zzz | ibz|away: .201 is generally Z side, not host side |
| 23:31:47 | kergoth`zzz | ibz|away: he's referring to the host side ip configuration on the usb networking interface, i believe |
| 23:31:50 | kergoth`zzz | eh? |
| 23:31:52 | cerezu | yeah |
| 23:31:57 | kergoth | isnt asleep |
| 23:31:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:32:02 | ibz|away | yeah, i've got my Z on .201, and desktop on .1. |
| 23:32:07 | endr | cerezu: ditto kergoth -- what does your desktop ifconfig say? if it ends in .201, you're likely making a mistake. |
| 23:32:08 | cerezu | my zaurus is configured as: ifconfig 192.168.129.201 netmask 255.255.255.255 |
| 23:32:08 | ibz|away | but never heard of 211 |
| 23:32:19 | kergoth | cerezu: ifconfig -a on the desktop. |
| 23:32:27 | kergoth | cerezu: the usb interface shoudl be 192.168.129.1 |
| 23:32:31 | endr | ibz|away: my memory's possibly messed up |
| 23:32:40 | cerezu | oh |
| 23:32:50 | ibz|away | endr: mine too. ;) |
| 23:33:02 | endr | needs RAM. |
| 23:33:43 | cerezu | kergoth: ok, I got the ifconfig right |
| 23:34:09 | ibz|away | kergoth`zzz: how comes the instructions on ibot oz bk, keep failing to check out ipkg? |
| 23:34:11 | cerezu | kergoth: it's now 192.168.129.1 for the usb0 interface on the desktop, I did route add -host 192.168.129.201 |
| 23:34:25 | ibz|away | i mean when you try and make. |
| 23:35:11 | endr | cerezu: that's better...works now? |
| 23:35:45 | ibz|away | cerezu: can you ping 192.168.129.201 from desktop? |
| 23:36:00 | cerezu | no |
| 23:36:14 | cerezu | the config is as everyone said, but I cant ping it, maybe a routing problem? |
| 23:36:24 | endr | cerezu: does zaurus think usbd0 interface is UP? |
| 23:36:35 | endr | s/usbd0/whateveritis |
| 23:37:08 | cerezu | yeah it shows it as up |
| 23:37:21 | endr | can z ping 192.168.129.1? |
| 23:37:46 | cerezu | yeah |
| 23:38:08 | endr | ditch that host route on your desktop. what's the subnet mask of your desktop's interface? |
| 23:38:15 | endr | s/interface/usb interface/ |
| 23:39:17 | ibz|zzz | cerezu: beware of your iptables rules...but you should be able to ping. |
| 23:39:29 | ibz|zzz | waves goodnight |
| 23:39:38 | cerezu | hrm |
| 23:39:44 | cerezu | drop the host route? |
| 23:40:07 | endr | cerezu: yes -- or better yet, what interface does /sbin/route say that host route goes to? |
| 23:40:30 | cerezu | host route? |
| 23:40:35 | cerezu | which interface? |
| 23:40:48 | endr | cerezu: paste the output of /sbin/route |
| 23:41:19 | cerezu | cant. |
| 23:41:28 | cerezu | U 0 0 0 lo default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 1 0 0 eth |
| 23:41:54 | endr | cerezu: that's your problem -- the 192.xxx.1 route say use eth0, whereas it should go to usb0 ... |
| 23:41:57 | endr | cerezu: drop that route |
| 23:42:20 | cerezu | then I lose internet, heh |
| 23:42:20 | endr | cerezu: it was prob unnecessary if your subnet mask is set sensibly on the desktop's usb interface |
| 23:42:36 | cerezu | ? |
| 23:42:55 | endr | cerezu: does your internet access come via usb? |
| 23:43:01 | endr | cerezu: adls modem? |
| 23:43:14 | endr | s/adls/adsl/ |
| 23:43:14 | cerezu | route |
| 23:43:17 | cerezu | ... router Imean |
| 23:43:43 | cerezu | my gateway is 192.168.0.1 *router*, and the ip of this machine is 192.168.0.x |
| 23:44:38 | endr | cerezu: umm...ok...you need to ensure packets sent to 192.168.129.201 go to your usb interface, not your ethernet one. |
| 23:45:11 | cerezu | would I do that by setting my net mask? |
| 23:45:29 | endr | cerezu: your adsl route is connected to your desktop via usb or ethernet? I'm guessing ethernet. So your usb network interface is for the zaurus only. |
| 23:45:42 | endr | cerezu: net mask on your usb interface should suffice, yes. |
| 23:46:02 | cerezu | endr: the netmask for my ethernet interface to my router to my cable modem is 0.0.0.0 |
| 23:46:51 | endr | cerezu: ok, don't worry about that. What's the netmask for your (desktop's) usb interface? |
| 23:46:58 | kergoth | cerezu: doesnt matter, the route to the Z will be a more specific route, and hence will get the traffic |
| 23:46:58 | cerezu | 255.255.255.255 |
| 23:47:07 | kergoth | cerezu: even though you'll have two routes that cover the same subnet |
| 23:47:14 | cerezu | i see. |
| 23:48:16 | cerezu | kergoth: should the subnet mask to my usb0 zaurus be 255.255.255.0? |
| 23:48:27 | kergoth | cerezu: that'd be fine |
| 23:48:30 | endr | cerezu: that netmask doesn't make sense. Are you sure that's coming from ifconfig usbX and not route? Anyway, if you want to add a host route make sure you direct it to the right interface |
| 23:49:04 | cerezu | the netmask from ifconfig for my usb0 interface is 255.255.255.255 |
| 23:49:24 | endr | cerezu: change it. doesn't make sense. |
| 23:49:32 | endr | cerezu: as kergoth said |
| 23:49:39 | cerezu | change it to what? |
| 23:49:44 | endr | cerezu: 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:50:14 | endr | cerezu: you told the interface to deliver packets sent only to itself (192.168.129.1), which of course didn't include the zaurus (192.168.129.201) |
| 23:50:38 | endr | cerezu: everything else went out your cable modem, which probably (rightly) ignored it. |
| 23:50:53 | cerezu | ok, I set the netmask. What about the route? |
| 23:51:16 | prpplague | kergoth: i thinks it my turn to /nick to ~argh |
| 23:51:25 | kergoth | prpplague: probs? |
| 23:51:28 | endr | cerezu: ditch it, as i said. the netmask will ensure that the packets get out the usb interface since it's more specific. |
| 23:51:53 | cerezu | how do I delete a route? |
| 23:51:55 | cerezu | route del ? |
| 23:51:58 | kergoth | man route |
| 23:52:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:52:04 | endr | /sbin/route del -host XXXX |
| 23:52:15 | kergoth | you know what pisses me off |
| 23:52:22 | kergoth | that the route command syntax is different in like every fucking unix |
| 23:52:23 | endr | kergoth: heh, of course the more general answer |
| 23:52:26 | kergoth | that drives me nuts |
| 23:52:26 | cerezu | it says no such process |
| 23:52:29 | endr | kergoth: exactly. |
| 23:52:49 | endr | cerezu: find the command you used to add the route, and change the add to "del" |
| 23:53:22 | prpplague | kergoth: i can't get this freakin Xnest working |
| 23:53:36 | prpplague | kergoth: its starts up and then refuses all connections |
| 23:54:22 | cerezu | endr: not working.. |
| 23:54:30 | cerezu | endr: cant delete the route |
| 23:54:31 | kergoth | cerezu: just an fyi |
| 23:54:38 | kergoth | cerezu: 'not working' is one of the most useless responses |
| 23:54:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:54:49 | endr | cerezu: using linux? |
| 23:54:59 | cerezu | endr: slackware |
| 23:55:13 | cerezu | endr: i mean, No Such Process, not letting me remove it |
| 23:55:20 | cerezu | endr: the ip address it shows in route is 192.168.129.0 |
| 23:55:38 | endr | cerezu: this no such process message, does it have somehting like "SIOCTL" in front of it? |
| 23:55:50 | endr | cerezu: aha, that's a -net route |
| 23:55:54 | cerezu | SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 23:56:00 | endr | cerezu: /sbin/route del -net 192.168.129.0 |
| 23:56:23 | endr | cerezu: man you twisted up those routes :) |
| 23:56:27 | cerezu | SIOCDELRT: Invalid argument |
| 23:57:02 | endr | cerezu: alright, I give up -- man route and figure out how to delete that route. Failing that, /etc/init.d/network restart. Failing that, /sbin/shutdown -r now. |
| 23:57:21 | cerezu | haha |
| 23:57:49 | endr | cerezu: the network restart was actually a semi-serious suggestion :) |
| 23:57:53 | cerezu | screw it, I will just restart |
| 23:58:07 | endr | cerezu: you can just do the network restart...no need to reboot. |
| 23:58:07 | cerezu | umm |
| 23:58:14 | cerezu | no such file for network restart |
| 23:58:33 | endr | cerezu: darn, redhat specific. Oh well. Read the manual on route -- worth 5 minutes. |
| 23:59:03 | cerezu | k |
