| 00:06:31 | Onyx4|work | mmm im trying to use the /etc/apt/preferences file to say that I want xine to be fetched from unstable but it looks like it's not working |
| 00:06:36 | Onyx4|work | Package: libxine0 |
| 00:06:36 | Onyx4|work | Pin: release a=unstable |
| 00:06:41 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 00:06:47 | TheMasterMind1 | apt-get install -t unstable libxine0 |
| 00:08:11 | Onyx4|work | ok and then it will always upgrade from the unstable from there on? |
| 00:08:48 | Onyx4|work | 2 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 151 not upgraded. |
| 00:08:53 | Onyx4|work | the 151 not upgraded scares me |
| 00:10:39 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:10:47 | TheMasterMind1 | if you specifiy -t unstable |
| 00:10:49 | TheMasterMind1 | it will use that |
| 00:10:52 | TheMasterMind1 | otherwise it won't |
| 00:10:57 | TheMasterMind1 | unless its only available in unstable |
| 00:11:04 | Onyx4|work | allright let me try that |
| 00:11:32 | Onyx4|work | ok I think it's working, it's fetching libdvdnav and SDL and all the good stuff |
| 00:11:33 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.themastermind1.net/syslab/basics.php |
| 00:11:34 | TheMasterMind1 | read that |
| 00:11:45 | TheMasterMind1 | if you haven't already |
| 00:12:33 | Onyx4|work | ok that's stuff I knew already |
| 00:12:45 | Onyx4|work | I just didn't know about forcing to use unstable for some stuff |
| 00:12:55 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 00:14:07 | Onyx4|work | so from now on, it will always upgrade xine from unstable when a new one is available? |
| 00:14:14 | Onyx4|work | cause my default is testing |
| 00:14:21 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 00:14:27 | TheMasterMind1 | that's how it works |
| 00:14:28 | Onyx4|work | that's cool |
| 00:14:31 | Onyx4|work | I like that |
| 00:14:35 | TheMasterMind1 | you need to apt-get update first though |
| 00:14:42 | Onyx4|work | of course yes |
| 00:14:43 | TheMasterMind1 | for it to know theres a new one |
| 00:14:44 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 00:14:51 | TheMasterMind1 | unstable isnothing to be afraid of |
| 00:14:53 | TheMasterMind1 | its just overhyped |
| 00:14:58 | TheMasterMind1 | its not at all unstable |
| 00:15:15 | TheMasterMind1 | though, package dependencies are sometimes broken |
| 00:15:24 | TheMasterMind1 | people are too lazy to do them right in the unstable tree it seems |
| 00:15:25 | Onyx4|work | I think I'm gonna try to install mozilla from unstable |
| 00:15:45 | TheMasterMind1 | but overall, its just newer stuff |
| 00:16:06 | scanline | labelling it "unstable" just means you can't blame us when it breaks :) |
| 00:16:18 | TheMasterMind1 | unstable: |
| 00:16:19 | TheMasterMind1 | the unstable tree (eternally named sid because Sid [from Toy Story] breaks all of your toys) is not really "unstable", but is named so because the packages are almost always the newest version and have not been tested by the masses to make sure they don't contain security flaws. Despite the name, these unstable packages can most often be used without any problems. |
| 00:16:54 | Onyx4|work | cool it also fetches dependancies in the unstable if needed |
| 00:16:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ofcourse |
| 00:17:00 | scanline | Sid also == Still In Development |
| 00:17:02 | Onyx4|work | like I did apt-get install -t unstable galeon |
| 00:17:06 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: ooh |
| 00:17:08 | TheMasterMind1 | good one |
| 00:17:09 | Onyx4|work | and it fetched a new mozilla that I had already |
| 00:17:13 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to add that |
| 00:17:21 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: that's the official reason behind "sid" IIRC |
| 00:17:45 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 00:18:07 | Onyx4|work | if I want to downgrade then the packages to the testing if they don't work, I'd do what? |
| 00:18:48 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.themastermind1.net/syslab/common.php?source |
| 00:19:02 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4|work: hmm, good question |
| 00:19:06 | TheMasterMind1 | you could remove then install from testing |
| 00:19:12 | Onyx4|work | but anyway, seems like it's working heh :) |
| 00:19:14 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't remove deps though |
| 00:19:16 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 00:19:22 | TheMasterMind1 | you usually never need to do that |
| 00:19:25 | TheMasterMind1 | i've never had to |
| 00:19:26 | Onyx4|work | cool now i've got the latest mozilla+galeon heh |
| 00:19:34 | TheMasterMind1 | you might be able to do something funky |
| 00:19:40 | Onyx4|work | I wonder what else I want the bleeding edge stuff for |
| 00:19:41 | TheMasterMind1 | apt-get -t testing --reinstall install package |
| 00:19:43 | TheMasterMind1 | something like that |
| 00:19:52 | Onyx4|work | maybe xchat? :) |
| 00:19:56 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:20:00 | TheMasterMind1 | its not always bleeding edge |
| 00:20:08 | TheMasterMind1 | some package maintainers are slow |
| 00:20:15 | Onyx4|work | im gonna upgrade xchat brb :) |
| 00:20:20 | TheMasterMind1 | *COUGH* xwin *COUGH* |
| 00:20:29 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:20:30 | TheMasterMind1 | anyways |
| 00:20:31 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 00:22:57 | Onyx4|work | im back |
| 00:23:03 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 00:23:07 | Onyx4|work | looks like I now have both python 2.1 and python 2.2 installed |
| 00:23:13 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 00:23:14 | TheMasterMind1 | python is weird |
| 00:23:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i have 1.5 2.1 and 2.2 all installed |
| 00:23:32 | TheMasterMind1 | you can choose which one you want to run |
| 00:24:01 | TheMasterMind1 | agupta@phosphorus:~$ python |
| 00:24:01 | TheMasterMind1 | python python2.1 python2.2 |
| 00:24:12 | TheMasterMind1 | actually, i removed 1.5 |
| 00:24:16 | TheMasterMind1 | so its just those two |
| 00:24:24 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 00:24:32 | hardwire | xwin? |
| 00:25:14 | TheMasterMind1 | xfree86 |
| 00:25:28 | hardwire | cygwin |
| 00:25:32 | hardwire | Xwin32.exe |
| 00:25:37 | hardwire | is using it ATM |
| 00:25:59 | hardwire | Xwin32 on this machine.. terminal server on the other side of a t1 |
| 00:26:01 | hardwire | oh well |
| 00:26:03 | hardwire | off to the hotel |
| 00:26:06 | hardwire | haha hehe hoho |
| 00:26:15 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:26:25 | TheMasterMind1 | you scare me |
| 00:26:31 | TheMasterMind1 | btw |
| 00:26:32 | DaJoker | scares everyone I'd imagine |
| 00:26:33 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 00:26:35 | hardwire | hey |
| 00:26:37 | ljp | watch out for drunken eskimo women |
| 00:26:40 | TheMasterMind1 | how did you do that motion detector thing |
| 00:26:41 | hardwire | I haven't detached yet |
| 00:26:45 | TheMasterMind1 | 4th time i'm asking |
| 00:26:49 | hardwire | TheMasterMind1: apt-get install motion |
| 00:26:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 00:27:01 | hardwire | TheMasterMind1: probably the 1st time I was watching :) |
| 00:27:09 | ljp | apt-get call yo momma |
| 00:27:15 | hardwire | if you gots a good question msging me usually sets it aside to be viewed later |
| 00:27:18 | TheMasterMind1 | apt-get moo |
| 00:27:27 | TheMasterMind1 | wonder if ipkg moo works |
| 00:27:29 | hardwire | cause I have been to busy lately |
| 00:27:38 | hardwire | oh well |
| 00:27:39 | hardwire | bbl |
| 00:27:53 | TheMasterMind1 | laptop:/home/aman# apt-get moo |
| 00:27:54 | TheMasterMind1 | (__) |
| 00:27:54 | TheMasterMind1 | (oo) |
| 00:27:54 | TheMasterMind1 | /------\/ |
| 00:27:54 | TheMasterMind1 | / | || |
| 00:27:54 | TheMasterMind1 | * /\---/\ |
| 00:27:56 | TheMasterMind1 | ~~ ~~ |
| 00:27:58 | TheMasterMind1 | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
| 00:28:11 | ljp | someone still neds to fix apt-get laid |
| 00:28:12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:28:13 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 00:30:11 | prpplague | moooooooo |
| 00:33:16 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:33:20 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you do .mpgs |
| 00:33:40 | prpplague | * (__) |
| 00:33:40 | prpplague | \ (oo) |
| 00:33:40 | prpplague | \------\/ |
| 00:33:40 | prpplague | * | || |
| 00:33:40 | prpplague | * /\---/\ |
| 00:33:41 | prpplague | ~~ ~~ |
| 00:34:17 | prpplague | moo |
| 00:36:09 | chouimat|tv | belchs |
| 00:38:22 | god | moo = god |
| 00:38:28 | chouimat|tv | hey my old nick! |
| 00:38:51 | god | yes my son |
| 00:44:05 | prpplague | ok guys, anyone got bids on the x wm of choice for the z? |
| 00:45:07 | DaJoker | blackbox/fluxbox or the like? |
| 00:45:40 | TheMasterMind1 | flux!! |
| 00:45:51 | DaJoker | yeah, I really like flux |
| 00:46:09 | DaJoker | but I figured more people were familiar with blackbox |
| 00:46:16 | prpplague | i've got icewm and matchbox running right now, but i need to decide on something for a basic load |
| 00:46:30 | TheMasterMind1 | motion -n ntsc -B -Q -N -t /var/www/motion |
| 00:50:28 | chouimat|tv | TheMasterMind1: ? |
| 00:56:03 | cerezu | how do you install ipks to a specific destination on the ram instead of flash? |
| 00:57:24 | cerezu | can anyone help? |
| 00:59:56 | cerezu | like for example, how would I install to /mnt/ram instead of /root? |
| 01:01:29 | DaJoker | ipkg -dest /mnt/ram |
| 01:01:51 | cerezu | tried that, it says ERROR: Unknown dest name: `/mnt/ram' |
| 01:02:32 | DaJoker | open your /etc/ipkg.conf file and make sure that dest exists |
| 01:03:33 | cerezu | oh I see yeah |
| 01:03:37 | cerezu | you're supposed to use a name |
| 01:03:50 | cerezu | it worked when I did ipkg -dest mtdram install *.ipk |
| 01:03:59 | cerezu | i.e. the alias for the destination. |
| 01:06:20 | prpplague | is there an oz logo yet? |
| 01:06:21 | cerezu | is there a command to restart opie through the console? |
| 01:06:58 | DaJoker | cerezu: /etc/init.d/opie stop;/etc/init.d/opie start |
| 01:07:19 | cerezu | oh ok, thanks |
| 01:09:48 | cerezu | DaJoker: is there a way to edit the env variables for a console session? Or do they save for each console session by using export? |
| 01:09:56 | cerezu | DaJoker: or do I use a .bashrc file? |
| 01:12:36 | cerezu | and does anyone know, if I already have a package installed, how do I upgrade the existing one? |
| 01:12:45 | cerezu | ipkg upgrade? |
| 01:15:20 | DaJoker | cerezu: if you use export in the shell it will be just for that session only.. if you want it for every session after ward, use the bashrc |
| 01:15:30 | DaJoker | and yes, ipkg upgrade package |
| 01:16:32 | chouimat|sick | ouch! opie-todo_*_arm.ipk: No such file or directory when I do make image |
| 01:18:29 | cerezu | ouch |
| 01:18:38 | cerezu | opie is pissing me off :) |
| 01:19:06 | cerezu | crap. opie stopped working. |
| 01:19:11 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:19:13 | cerezu | just brings me to a prompt |
| 01:19:52 | chouimat|sick | just build OZ and I don't have any opie-todo*. what I should do |
| 01:33:49 | | oz feed is probably http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/ |
| 01:33:49 | chouimat|sick | ibot oz feed |
| 01:35:52 | kergoth`out | w00t |
| 01:35:55 | kergoth`out | my box is alive!@#% |
| 01:35:58 | kergoth`out | the drive isnt dead |
| 01:36:02 | kergoth`out | dances a jig |
| 01:36:09 | kergoth`out | commits shit in all his trees just in case |
| 01:36:16 | chouimat|sick | kergoth`out: I just build OZ but there is no opie-todo*ipk |
| 01:36:21 | kergoth`out | i dunno |
| 01:36:25 | kergoth`out | you've built it more recently than i have |
| 01:36:25 | kergoth`out | :) |
| 01:36:42 | chouimat|sick | 20021009 :) |
| 01:37:15 | prpplague | kergoth`out: wahoo |
| 01:37:28 | prpplague | kergoth`out: does it have like life support connections? |
| 01:37:50 | kergoth`out | prpplague: hah, dunno whats up, the drive came back to life. its really sensitive to heat, so i've gotta move this shit out of the fucking corner |
| 01:37:57 | kergoth`out | fuck me |
| 01:38:00 | kergoth`out | its crashing again |
| 01:38:02 | kergoth`out | i/o errors |
| 01:38:05 | prpplague | doh |
| 01:38:06 | kergoth`out | oi |
| 01:38:09 | kergoth`out | wow |
| 01:38:13 | kergoth`out | i'll be soon |
| 01:38:15 | kergoth`out | er |
| 01:38:16 | kergoth`out | going |
| 01:38:18 | kergoth`out | soon |
| 01:38:20 | kergoth`out | kaboom |
| 01:38:21 | prpplague | lol |
| 01:38:23 | kergoth`out | poof |
| 01:38:25 | kergoth`out | dies |
| 01:38:34 | chouimat|sick | kergoth`out: try some lowlevel format |
| 01:39:12 | scanline | is away: dew run! |
| 01:39:20 | prpplague | kergoth`out: how about this - |
| 01:39:22 | prpplague | * (__) |
| 01:39:22 | prpplague | \ (oo) |
| 01:39:22 | prpplague | \------\/ |
| 01:39:22 | prpplague | * | || |
| 01:39:23 | prpplague | * /\---/\ |
| 01:39:25 | prpplague | ~~ ~~ |
| 01:39:36 | prpplague | compliments of TheMasterMind1 |
| 01:47:53 | cerezu | I installed the opie-base on the feed, how do I get opie to work again? |
| 01:51:04 | cerezu | who on here has flashed their zaurus more than 10 times, or is that common? :) |
| 01:52:27 | hvarotto | if it makes you feel better, I flashd it 4 times every day for the last 4 days, |
| 01:52:38 | hvarotto | and I'm sure that is nothing compared to the rest |
| 01:52:49 | hvarotto | of the people around here |
| 01:53:00 | chouimat|shower | what is flashing? |
| 01:53:03 | chouimat|shower | :) |
| 01:53:42 | cerezu | oh, hehe |
| 01:53:43 | hvarotto | is what happens when you suddenly se somthing in the street and you say "this happened before@" :-) |
| 01:53:53 | hvarotto | it's called a flash |
| 01:53:57 | cerezu | I've flashed my zaurus like 3 times tonight |
| 01:58:52 | Onyx4 | why is there no "pine" debian package? |
| 02:00:03 | jmhodges | lol there isnt? |
| 02:00:19 | Onyx4 | I didn't find one |
| 02:00:22 | Onyx4 | neither does mandrake |
| 02:00:38 | Onyx4 | maybe it got renamed or something |
| 02:11:37 | paq | ola |
| 02:15:16 | hardwire | i |
| 02:15:20 | hardwire | you? |
| 02:15:29 | paq | eh? |
| 02:15:34 | hardwire | I am hardwire |
| 02:15:35 | hardwire | you? |
| 02:15:44 | paq | i am paq |
| 02:15:52 | hardwire | cackles |
| 02:16:01 | paq | backs off slowly... |
| 02:16:03 | chouimat | I'm GOD |
| 02:19:45 | paq | GOD - could you put accelerated openzaurus v6.0.3 in my home folder pls? thx. |
| 02:20:26 | chouimat | paq: nope. I dion't have thime I need to pee |
| 02:20:35 | hardwire | heh |
| 02:20:40 | hardwire | aaahh |
| 02:20:42 | hardwire | god is peeing! |
| 02:20:43 | hardwire | runs |
| 02:21:12 | chouimat | hardwire: last time I have done that only Noah survived :) |
| 02:21:32 | hardwire | heh |
| 02:21:33 | hardwire | well |
| 02:21:40 | hardwire | hmm |
| 02:21:41 | jmhodges | heh |
| 02:23:03 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 02:24:06 | paq | nite.. |
| 02:26:30 | hardwire | [Arsenal(~startrk@cloaked.client.attbi.com)] I would piss on a spark plug to get out of my current job |
| 02:28:22 | noda | Moo! |
| 02:28:24 | cerezu | hardwire: what do you do? |
| 02:28:34 | cerezu | noda: hey |
| 02:29:07 | paq | hey: noda |
| 02:29:18 | noda | I've just noticed something icky on my monitor... new after I brought it to a lan party. It's got these "shadows" to the right of everything dark... |
| 02:29:36 | cerezu | ? |
| 02:30:05 | paq | noda - tried different cable\gfx card? |
| 02:30:21 | noda | Okay, imagine taking an exact image of this window and moving it to the right 2mm. Then make it almost transparent. Then move it to the right another 2mm and make it even MORE transparent, etc. |
| 02:30:27 | noda | I'll try re-plugging it in, good idea. |
| 02:30:44 | chouimat|Zzzzz | belch |
| 02:30:45 | cerezu | weird |
| 02:30:53 | noda | Meh, not working :(. *turns off his sub* |
| 02:31:05 | noda | Not the sub either. |
| 02:31:08 | hardwire | cerezu I do lots of stuff |
| 02:31:25 | hardwire | just got an invite to be a CTO for a big corp up here in alaska |
| 02:31:32 | chouimat|Zzzzz | noda: don't take photo into the metro they will be dark :) |
| 02:31:35 | noda | This is horrible... |
| 02:31:52 | noda | peers at chouimat|Zzzzz |
| 02:32:00 | prpplague | anyone got oz icons? |
| 02:32:07 | noda | I have NO interference... I think this is permanent! :( |
| 02:32:19 | noda | I'll try reversing the cable... |
| 02:32:31 | noda | goes without video for a minute. |
| 02:32:36 | chouimat|Zzzzz | prpplague: I need a beer send me one |
| 02:32:59 | cerezu | how do you install mediaplayer on OZ? |
| 02:33:04 | prpplague | sends chouimat|Zzzzz a sam adams boston lager |
| 02:33:07 | cerezu | I tried, but it needs the codecs, but they don't work? |
| 02:33:08 | hardwire | with ipkg |
| 02:33:24 | hardwire | prpplague bay |
| 02:33:28 | hardwire | sam adams scares me |
| 02:33:41 | chouimat|Zzzzz | never drink one |
| 02:33:42 | paq | noda - does it have geom adjustment menu... degauss.. etc... |
| 02:34:51 | cerezu | hardwire: do I install the codecs first, and then opie-mediaplayer2? |
| 02:35:04 | noda | Still bad! |
| 02:35:06 | hardwire | I think the codecs require mediaplayer |
| 02:35:07 | noda | paq: Tried that. |
| 02:35:36 | noda | This thing cost me $500! |
| 02:36:09 | noda | Friggin' sweet flat 19", 1600x1200@85Hz... .24 dot pitch... |
| 02:37:03 | paq | brand? |
| 02:37:07 | chouimat|Zzzzz | noda: Xinerama? |
| 02:37:17 | noda | chouimat|Zzzzz: Nope. |
| 02:37:17 | cerezu | bastard. flats are tight |
| 02:37:30 | noda | cerezu: Not an LCD. But still flat. |
| 02:37:37 | hardwire | bastards. |
| 02:37:39 | noda | LG 915FT+ |
| 02:37:46 | hardwire | my wife is flat |
| 02:37:51 | paq | hah! |
| 02:37:52 | cerezu | should I reboot after I use ipkg install? or is that neccessary? |
| 02:38:08 | noda | cerezu: Depends on what you installed. Usually restarting opie will do everything. |
| 02:38:53 | noda | No other ideas on how to get rid of this monitor ickiness? |
| 02:39:03 | paq | maybe when you upgrade oz-base.. |
| 02:39:14 | noda | presses "Degauss" 3 more times, to no avail :( |
| 02:39:27 | cerezu | ? |
| 02:39:57 | cerezu | everytime I install the latest feed of oz-base, opie just craps out on me, and doesnt let me get into opie again, even after several reboots, and even manually trying it, doesn't work |
| 02:40:03 | paq | noda- you've already moved it to a different place\direction right.. |
| 02:40:15 | noda | cerezu: rofl, you don't want to install the new version of oz-base :) |
| 02:40:37 | noda | paq: Erm... well, I was at a lan party and I've only noticed it now, a 2 or 3 days later. |
| 02:40:44 | paq | cerezu - i think kernel-module and pcmcia-cs are hosed on that version... or something |
| 02:40:48 | noda | Actually more like 4 or 5 but I've been really out of it lately. |
| 02:41:06 | cerezu | paq: ah |
| 02:41:13 | noda | paq,cerezu: kernel-modules, pcmcia-cs and oz-base will ALL break your OZ if you try to install them. |
| 02:41:15 | cerezu | paq: damn kergoth :), he said upgrade everything |
| 02:41:18 | noda | Install from the optimized feed. |
| 02:41:21 | noda | Heh |
| 02:41:36 | cerezu | ... gr |
| 02:41:41 | cerezu | and I cannot install to my /mnt/ram |
| 02:41:57 | cerezu | even though I specify -d or -dest it doesn't install to it |
| 02:42:06 | | it has been said that optimized is new fully optmized opie/qte oz release at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ or update from the feed (tested from 2.9.5.5) http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ or or onyx4's at http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ or get konq/e at http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/konqueror-snapshot-full_0.9.1-20020912.2_arm.ipk |
| 02:42:06 | cerezu | ibot optimized |
| 02:42:10 | paq | cerezu - i know, and i've only got my zaurus for 5 days now and were all excited with oz... i must've flashed my damn z 20 times by now... poor thing. better docs! changelogs! pronto! go! go! go! |
| 02:42:20 | noda | lol |
| 02:42:24 | noda | There's a new release coming out soon. |
| 02:42:35 | noda | I've flashed my Z around 5 times. I never flash it any more - just do ipkg upgrades and stuff. |
| 02:42:36 | cerezu | paq: me too, I've only had it for about a week now |
| 02:42:50 | noda | Had a damned close call last night after installing the latest oz-base though. Luckily kergoth was here to help :) |
| 02:42:59 | prpplague | iu've flash one of mine about 200 times in 3 months |
| 02:43:18 | paq | 20x in 5 days!!! imagine that... it compares with the hardest working workin girl in any country... uh... |
| 02:43:31 | noda | Flashing to me feels like rebooting in windows. I never ever reboot, just like I never ever flash :) |
| 02:43:32 | noda | lol |
| 02:43:34 | paq | bows in defeat to prpplague... |
| 02:44:09 | hardwire | you didn't stand a chance |
| 02:44:10 | cerezu | I never reboot either, just the zaurus is different! |
| 02:44:11 | cerezu | hehe |
| 02:44:24 | noda | cerezu: "never"... define "never" :P |
| 02:44:25 | paq | such a carefree attitude... *sigh*... must be so loose... |
| 02:44:27 | Onyx4 | what's the equivalent of chkconfig in debian? :) |
| 02:44:37 | chouimat|Zzzzz | paq: you are in the porn industry? |
| 02:44:42 | cerezu | and how do you install -dest with ipkg? it doesnt work |
| 02:44:43 | noda | /etc/rc.* |
| 02:44:51 | hardwire | pretty sure I have flashed mine uh.. 100 or so times in a month |
| 02:44:51 | noda | ipkg install -dest mtdram <package> |
| 02:45:12 | Onyx4 | maybe updaterc? |
| 02:45:15 | hardwire | when OZ was born and I felt encourged to assist kergoth :) |
| 02:45:25 | paq | chouimat|Zzzzz - yes, on the consumer side. heh. |
| 02:46:06 | cerezu | I would feel encouraged if somehow it wouldn't destroy my new little computer :) If I had a memory card reader for my desktop I would be more enthusiastic, just if I fuck it up, and my CF farts out, I can't use it anymore |
| 02:46:20 | cerezu | noda: it didnt work |
| 02:46:34 | noda | cerezu: Well that's how you're supposed to do it. |
| 02:46:42 | noda | cerezu: It won't put in symlinks, but it'll install the program. |
| 02:46:51 | noda | cerezu: Symlinks are managed by oipkg. |
| 02:47:03 | cerezu | noda: yes, but it installs it to flash, not my ram |
| 02:47:19 | noda | cerezu: I give up, never seen that :) |
| 02:47:38 | cerezu | noda: but it also isn't hooked up to the net either |
| 02:48:07 | paq | If there's a nicely visible link to "Howto : do full backup and restore on your zaurus" on one of the OZ's mainpage, I bet there'll be an influx of new users\testers... |
| 02:49:03 | noda | paq: Maybe that's why there isn't one :) |
| 02:49:28 | scanline | is back (gone 01:10:16) |
| 02:49:31 | paq | being a noisy newb that i am, i should probably leave the channel too =P |
| 02:49:39 | noda | Heh :) |
| 02:49:55 | noda | Nah, you're okay :) |
| 02:51:27 | hardwire | paq |
| 02:51:28 | hardwire | paq |
| 02:51:28 | hardwire | paq |
| 02:51:29 | hardwire | paq |
| 02:51:35 | hardwire | pokes the paq |
| 02:51:53 | hardwire | you stole my astronaut miner! |
| 02:52:28 | paq | heh, thx! |
| 02:52:33 | cerezu | damnit, this sucks |
| 02:52:45 | paq | hardwire - i have no idea what that referred to?? |
| 02:53:01 | cerezu | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for opie-mediaplayer-codecs: |
| 02:53:01 | cerezu | libc6 (>= 2.1) |
| 02:53:05 | cerezu | except the fact is, I have 2.2 |
| 02:53:32 | cerezu | 2.2.4-7a to be exact of libc6 |
| 02:53:39 | noda | ipkg install -force-depends |
| 02:54:07 | hardwire | cannot satisfy cerezu |
| 02:54:21 | cerezu | yeah, trying that |
| 02:54:49 | cerezu | the problem with packaging systems is that it cannot detect prior versions of software all of the time. |
| 02:55:14 | cerezu | noda: damnit lol, it installed to / again, any ideas? |
| 02:55:22 | noda | cerezu: -dest mtdram |
| 02:55:29 | noda | cerezu: You are doing it with a single "-", right? Not two? |
| 02:55:53 | cerezu | yes |
| 02:55:55 | Onyx4 | maybe his /etc/ipkg.conf is screwed up? |
| 02:56:08 | noda | shrugs. |
| 02:56:15 | cerezu | dest root / |
| 02:56:15 | cerezu | dest mtdram /mnt/ram |
| 02:56:15 | cerezu | dest sd /mnt/card |
| 02:56:15 | cerezu | dest cf /mnt/cf |
| 02:56:49 | paq | btw is there any hope that we'll be able to ctrl-c at the real term? |
| 02:57:28 | cerezu | how do you force removal of software? |
| 02:57:52 | noda | cerezu: ipkg remove -force-depends |
| 02:58:38 | cerezu | noda: sigh.. it says it's not installed, yet it took up 1mb of my main flash /... and it didnt remove it |
| 02:59:04 | noda | fun. |
| 02:59:09 | noda | ipkg upgrade ipkg |
| 02:59:18 | paq | ebian-devel |
| 02:59:29 | cerezu | noda: hrm? |
| 02:59:37 | cerezu | noda: Package ipkg (20020809) installed in root is up to date |
| 03:00:32 | cerezu | thinks it's time for another full reset. :( |
| 03:00:48 | noda | Heh |
| 03:00:50 | noda | Nevah! |
| 03:01:01 | noda | full reset is just as bad as flashing :) |
| 03:01:11 | cerezu | that's what I meant |
| 03:01:22 | noda | Try a soft reset, you never know... |
| 03:01:27 | kergoth`out | full reset doesnt do a damn thing besides wiping mtdram in oz |
| 03:01:36 | noda | kergoth`out: Hallo! :) |
| 03:01:39 | kergoth`out | that fucking drive came back up for about 10 mins before it died again |
| 03:01:40 | kergoth`out | heh |
| 03:01:55 | cerezu | kergoth: having more problems :( |
| 03:02:04 | cerezu | lol |
| 03:02:12 | noda | kergoth`out: Oh, so did you find the solution to this "Busybox login on zaurus:"? :) |
| 03:02:20 | kergoth`out | no, no time |
| 03:02:26 | kergoth`out | just got debian reinstalled on this box |
| 03:02:27 | kergoth`out | heh |
| 03:02:44 | noda | Oh, heh |
| 03:03:13 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth`out: drive dead for good? |
| 03:03:30 | noda | kergoth`out: I've had a bad drive before. My little web server. Little 2.6 gig thing that I've had since... well, I guess it was 7 years old. I shouldn't have stored important data on it but I did :P |
| 03:03:30 | kergoth`out | everybody noticed scanlines newfangled nifty snapshots of bk? for those who dont want to use it for licensing reasons |
| 03:03:35 | kergoth`out | chouimat|Zzzzz: yep, its toast |
| 03:03:51 | kergoth`out | noda: hah. i had a ibm 60gb drive go bad before this, and one of the drives on my previous raid array |
| 03:03:54 | noda | Woo, awesome! I'll have to check that out if I ever submit a patch to svn :) |
| 03:03:56 | cerezu | kergoth: didnt work |
| 03:04:00 | noda | winces. |
| 03:04:01 | cerezu | err. noda: didnt work |
| 03:04:01 | kergoth`out | noda: hehe |
| 03:04:09 | kergoth`out | what didnt work? |
| 03:04:15 | noda | cerezu: Ah well, you never know :) |
| 03:04:19 | cerezu | I have an idea, gonna reinstall it, then try to remove it |
| 03:04:31 | kergoth | oh, the 'it keeps installing to the wrong destination' bug |
| 03:04:34 | kergoth | thats a known ipkg bug |
| 03:04:41 | cerezu | pissing me off :) lol |
| 03:04:46 | cerezu | and it wont let me install to my mtdram |
| 03:04:49 | kergoth | edit /usr/lib/ipkg/status, remove the entire entry to the package thats installing to the wrong place, and all will be well. |
| 03:04:52 | cerezu | even though I specify it |
| 03:04:55 | kergoth | i know. |
| 03:05:00 | kergoth | i just said, its a *known bug with ipkg* |
| 03:05:14 | noda | This 2.6 gigger... it was hilarious. I had it on my router/web server, which had an uptime of around 200 days or so at the time. Then the power went out or something... when I finally got home and tried to turn the computer back on, the drive simply wouldn't spin up :) |
| 03:05:47 | noda | It was spinning fine before (guess I forgot to turn on spinning-down), but it wouldn't come up again after it'd stopped. |
| 03:05:54 | cerezu | kergoth: the thing is, it's taking up 1mb of space on my flash |
| 03:06:01 | cerezu | kergoth: and I cannot remove it |
| 03:06:08 | noda | cerezu: Install it then remove it? |
| 03:06:24 | cerezu | noda: it says its not installed, but I know it is, because it's taking up 1mb |
| 03:06:39 | kergoth | cerezu: this is easy. |
| 03:06:43 | kergoth | cerezu: edit /usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 03:06:46 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: did you lost everything? |
| 03:06:47 | kergoth | cerezu: find the entry fo rit |
| 03:06:54 | kergoth | cerezu: change the status for it to Installed |
| 03:06:58 | kergoth | cerezu: then ipkg remove it |
| 03:06:58 | cerezu | oh ok |
| 03:07:03 | cerezu | i see, thanks |
| 03:07:20 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: everything on this box, yeah. luckily most of my important work was in repositories |
| 03:07:57 | chouimat|Zzzzz | ok |
| 03:08:30 | cerezu | kergoth: Write failed? |
| 03:08:53 | noda | always does work in repositories. |
| 03:08:59 | kergoth | cerezu: drive spins down shortly after spinning up, when i manage to get it to spin up at all, which isnt often |
| 03:09:05 | noda | Oh, shit, reminds me - I should back stuff up :) |
| 03:09:20 | kergoth | that reminds *me*, i have a tape drive for a reason |
| 03:09:24 | kergoth | i should buy tapes :) |
| 03:09:34 | cerezu | ewww.. tape drive |
| 03:09:36 | kergoth | then i can make use of the damn thing |
| 03:09:43 | kergoth | cerezu: tape drive is perfect for automated backups |
| 03:09:47 | cerezu | I have one, they look crappy |
| 03:09:52 | kergoth | but they work. |
| 03:09:55 | noda | lol |
| 03:09:56 | kergoth | and they wont go away soon |
| 03:09:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:10:02 | cerezu | kergoth: when I tried saving, it says "Write failed." |
| 03:10:17 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:10:22 | kergoth | you're out of space in flash. |
| 03:10:30 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: which capacity tape drive |
| 03:10:34 | cerezu | kergoth: I am, what happen? |
| 03:10:36 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: 4gb, iirc |
| 03:10:40 | noda | notices that his habit of compiling stuff in a subdirectory of his *home directory* is a very bad idea. |
| 03:10:47 | noda | moves his symlinks around. |
| 03:10:55 | kergoth | cerezu: you installed things to flash without enough room in it |
| 03:11:13 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: not an option for me since I have 300GB of HDD here |
| 03:11:21 | kergoth | noda: i normally do my builds in /usr/src/, then all my users in the src group are fine |
| 03:11:46 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: I dont need to back up anything that uses a lot of space, myself, just things like important documents and the like |
| 03:12:04 | noda | kergoth: Yeah, good idea. Well, my builds are all actually in /mnt/hda5, but I symlink them. |
| 03:12:14 | cerezu | kergoth: I wish there was a reconnect option for PuTTY |
| 03:12:20 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: but scsi-160 tape backup are $$$$ |
| 03:12:33 | noda | Hrm.... /opt/mp3 doesn't really sound like a great place to put them, but I don't want to have hundreds of megs in my home dir, now do I... |
| 03:12:36 | kergoth | cerezu: right click on title bar, hit Duplicate Session |
| 03:12:45 | cerezu | kergoth: yeah I know |
| 03:12:48 | kergoth | noda: i use /usr/local/audio/, myself :) |
| 03:12:53 | cerezu | kergoth: but reconnect would be better. |
| 03:12:59 | noda | Hrm... |
| 03:13:00 | cerezu | kergoth: or in addition |
| 03:13:04 | noda | prefers /opt because it's faster to type :) |
| 03:13:06 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: no kidding. but you dont need a ultra160 tape backup. the tape drive is slow as dirt. |
| 03:13:15 | chouimat|Zzzzz | noda: I use login: me (UID 0 and GID 0) |
| 03:13:24 | noda | Bah, I'll work this out some other time. *saves his important document directories and everything starting with "." :P |
| 03:13:27 | cerezu | kergoth, noda: screw it, just gonna reflash again. |
| 03:13:28 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: who needs that much bandwidth for a drive that will never utilize it |
| 03:13:44 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: you work as uid 0? thats not good :) |
| 03:13:59 | cerezu | kergoth, noda: cause it said it successfully removed it and I still only have 1mb free, rather then when it wasn't installed I had about 2.6mb's free. |
| 03:14:12 | kergoth | cerezu: reboot. |
| 03:14:28 | kergoth | cerezu: if any of those files were in use, they wont actually be removed until they arent in use |
| 03:14:35 | cerezu | kergoth: ok, i'll try |
| 03:14:36 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: I have a 29160 and they put a 68pin LVD as external connector |
| 03:14:45 | noda | Wow.... I still have a .licq in my home dir... |
| 03:14:50 | noda | Man, I REALLY have to do some cleanup :) |
| 03:14:53 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: buy an adapter? :) |
| 03:14:53 | cerezu | kergoth: still learning here :) |
| 03:15:38 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: I'm the only one who have acesss to my computers |
| 03:15:38 | kergoth | noda: periodically i move *verything* out of my homedir, and anything that i notice is missing i move back. eventually i just wipe the remaining files, cause they must have not been very important :) |
| 03:15:47 | noda | kergoth: That's a good idea :) |
| 03:15:52 | noda | has a .kde dir :P |
| 03:16:18 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: the only way to use something else it's to open the case and plug the device on the inside connector |
| 03:16:20 | kergoth | noda: i use the same philosophy whenever i move |
| 03:16:31 | kergoth | noda: half my stuff doesnt get unpacked until i need it |
| 03:16:48 | noda | Heh |
| 03:16:49 | kergoth | noda: anything that remains packed up, must have not been important, unless its paperwork, in which case it gets filed :) |
| 03:17:02 | chouimat|Zzzzz | I think I will clean up my 12GB download dir |
| 03:17:14 | kergoth | notes that he has a single 8gb scsi hard drive at the moment. thats it. |
| 03:17:18 | noda | Then after a year you just gotta throw out the box! :) |
| 03:17:24 | noda | kergoth: ACK! |
| 03:17:24 | kergoth | noda: yep |
| 03:17:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:17:28 | noda | kergoth: OZ itself takes up 1.4! |
| 03:17:32 | kergoth | noda: i know |
| 03:17:35 | cerezu | has finally download the movie he's been trying to download over KaZaA for over a week now! |
| 03:17:38 | kergoth | noda: and i like to keep multiple trees around |
| 03:17:41 | kergoth | noda: and thats just one project |
| 03:17:42 | kergoth | noda: heh |
| 03:17:47 | noda | (btw, is it just me or is it amazing how 1.4 gig reduce to an image of less than 16 meg?) |
| 03:17:53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:18:06 | cerezu | kergoth: oh btw.. the files are still not removed. |
| 03:18:18 | cerezu | kergoth: just reflash, also does the zaurus use the / flash for some memory/swap memory space? |
| 03:18:55 | cerezu | kergoth: reflesh != flash, I mean flash |
| 03:19:00 | cerezu | ... |
| 03:19:07 | kergoth | jij |
| 03:19:09 | kergoth | huh? |
| 03:19:15 | kergoth | if you put swap on flash, you *will* kill your flash. |
| 03:19:22 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: I was thinking why make clean and make clean-sourcetrees is not the same and current make clean can be make clean-all. that more logical |
| 03:19:24 | kergoth | and this flash is in the unit, so you will eventively make your unit uselss. |
| 03:20:03 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: dont want make clean to wipe the downloaded sources, eh? :) |
| 03:20:04 | cerezu | kergoth: alright then, should I just reflash the zaurus? |
| 03:20:15 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: i'll make mrproper wipe soruces, and clean do what make clean-sourcetrees does now |
| 03:20:46 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: just made a few typo today (like SUBDIR) |
| 03:21:09 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: ewww. if you typo SUBDIRS and use clean ... bye bye tree.. |
| 03:21:12 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: i've done that |
| 03:21:31 | cerezu | kergoth: what ya think? |
| 03:21:42 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: about twice today (bye bye quota) |
| 03:21:47 | kergoth | cerezu: i'd just reflash, myself. but then i reflash my unit multiple times daily |
| 03:22:00 | cerezu | kergoth: hey, me too :) |
| 03:22:04 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: well, i'm still installing my dev env |
| 03:22:04 | cerezu | kergoth: hehe |
| 03:22:11 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: when my box here is back up i'll work on oz a bit |
| 03:22:34 | noda | Oh, great, don't you love it when your Openoffice crashes on you... |
| 03:22:39 | chouimat|Zzzzz | hmmm try 12 for libobex |
| 03:22:41 | hardwire | hmm |
| 03:22:49 | noda | hopes he didn't lose more than a couple of words... |
| 03:23:05 | hardwire | I think I am gonna wait 6 months before accepting this board member position |
| 03:23:42 | hardwire | was invited to be the CTO of the company I contract for up here |
| 03:24:09 | noda | Ah, only lost a spellcheck, great :) |
| 03:24:30 | hardwire | ponders |
| 03:24:52 | noda | Will you have time to wait 6 months? Usually opportunities like that don't last... |
| 03:25:37 | noda | Ah well, bye all |
| 03:26:29 | hardwire | yeah |
| 03:26:30 | hardwire | I can wait |
| 03:26:41 | hardwire | waiting until they can afford the projects I want.. |
| 03:26:55 | hardwire | I think the CEO wanted to jump the gun with me |
| 03:28:22 | | well, xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) |
| 03:28:22 | kergoth | ibot xcompile |
| 03:29:02 | kergoth | oh sweet |
| 03:29:10 | kergoth | they have a prebuilt gcc3.2 toolchain up there |
| 03:29:56 | | okay, kergoth. |
| 03:29:56 | kergoth | ibot xcompile is also ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-3.2.tar.bz2 |
| 03:30:00 | | i heard xcompile was just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) or ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-3.2.tar.bz2 |
| 03:30:00 | kergoth | ibot xcompile |
| 03:31:48 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 03:31:56 | kergoth | night chouimat |
| 03:32:19 | cerezu | kergoth: why does it say to remove the CF card before you do the normal full reset before you turn it on? |
| 03:32:27 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: just mail me the ARM assembler pdf when you can |
| 03:34:00 | kergoth | cerezu: i dont know, i never have |
| 03:34:02 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: will do |
| 03:34:41 | cerezu | kergoth: so you don't have to remove it, because you're not pressing the [C] and [D] keys? |
| 03:35:03 | kergoth | cerezu: yep |
| 03:37:12 | cerezu | kergoth: k, was curious because it didn't seem too logical |
| 03:40:58 | cerezu | kergoth: can you show me how you install onto mtdram? |
| 03:47:59 | cerezu | kergoth: will upgrading to the optimized version help the bug? |
| 03:52:32 | hardwire | grr |
| 03:52:34 | hardwire | hmm |
| 03:53:14 | shinote | Gack, why does oz-base include resolv.conf? So idiots like me can break our handhelds? |
| 03:54:20 | hardwire | bingo |
| 03:54:29 | hardwire | thats.. uh |
| 03:54:33 | hardwire | pretty easy to solve :) |
| 03:54:38 | hardwire | use dhcp |
| 03:54:50 | hardwire | you could even.. overwrite the 2 line file with something else :) |
| 03:55:04 | hardwire | no dns != broken :) |
| 03:55:20 | shinote | I could fix the file now, but its too late. The network broke in the middle of "ipkg upgrade", and everything is screwy. |
| 03:55:44 | hardwire | so why did you answer yes? |
| 03:55:59 | hardwire | the default is use the current config |
| 03:56:09 | shinote | Too tired, and I didn't realize it would start to install before downloading everything. |
| 03:56:18 | hardwire | gotcha |
| 03:56:38 | shinote | (maybe that makes sense with limited storage, but I'm more used to dpkg) |
| 03:57:06 | hardwire | hehh |
| 03:57:20 | shinote | I don't even have an ipkg binary anymore, and cardctl won't work. |
| 03:58:03 | shinote | More reflashing fun. |
| 04:26:26 | endr | wonders if it's possible, after 4 days of wrestling with oz3b, that the optimized feed has answered his stability prayers... |
| 04:30:15 | shinote | What's the optimized feed? I'm using http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/unstable now, and am scared. |
| 04:33:02 | endr | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/unofficial/unstable/optimized has the initrd and the feed subdir...seems to work beatuifully |
| 04:35:12 | shinote | Looks good, I'll try it. Something newer than august would be great. |
| 04:36:30 | endr | tho turning on fastload for the pim apps seems to prevent me launching/switching to them... |
| 04:37:41 | shinote | Wish there was a readme or something in that directory. Do you know who made them? |
| 04:49:26 | endr | kergoth I think |
| 04:50:02 | endr | g2g |
| 05:39:18 | | rumour has it optimized is new fully optmized opie/qte oz release at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ or update from the feed (tested from 2.9.5.5) http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ or or onyx4's at http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ or get konq/e at http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/konqueror-snapshot-full_0.9.1-20020912.2_arm.ipk |
| 05:39:18 | paq | ibot optimized |
| 05:47:47 | paq | i get stuck here a lot : Removing obsolesced file /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2.3.2 |
| 05:48:02 | paq | can someone tell me why... solutions..? |
| 06:04:16 | paq | argh |
| 07:36:19 | scanline | is away: ZzZzzzz |
| 09:51:28 | | feed is probably a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 09:51:28 | sambatron | ibot feed |
| 12:05:08 | | hvarotto: what? |
| 12:05:08 | hvarotto | ibot "os snapshot" |
| 12:05:15 | | hvarotto: i'm not following you... |
| 12:05:15 | hvarotto | ibot "oz snapshot" |
| 12:05:21 | | oz snapshot is probably http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi |
| 12:05:21 | hvarotto | ibot oz snapshot |
| 12:06:08 | carpman | yay! |
| 12:06:09 | ljp_work | blah |
| 12:06:19 | carpman | give ibot a bot cookie. |
| 12:10:33 | ljp_work | sugar give carpman some coffee |
| 12:10:49 | ljp_work | hmm oh well.. no sugar here |
| 12:11:06 | carpman | summons coffee from the ether. |
| 12:24:31 | chouimat | morning |
| 12:28:29 | numatrix | Sweet! Opie builds... |
| 12:28:52 | chouimat | numatrix: do you have opie-todo*ipk? |
| 12:29:46 | numatrix | chouimat: lemme check. |
| 12:31:27 | numatrix | chouimat: Hmm... no, actually, I don't. |
| 12:34:12 | chouimat | numatrix: if you do make image that will cause problem like the one I got yesterday |
| 12:37:37 | numatrix | bummer. Anybody know what's wrong with it? |
| 12:53:20 | chouimat | came back from an archeological expedition on the site of the mythical city of Khatlhitther |
| 13:15:01 | ljp_work | groovey man |
| 13:19:31 | | ljp_work: sorry... |
| 13:19:31 | ljp_work | ibot: hardwire |
| 13:21:19 | chouimat | coffee need coffee |
| 13:22:08 | ljp_work | hardwire: ping |
| 13:32:45 | chouimat | prpplague: hi |
| 13:39:48 | prpplague | chouimat: morning |
| 13:40:12 | chouimat | prpplague: nice lag :) |
| 13:40:22 | DaJoker | prpplague: decide on the default wm issue for your X build? |
| 13:40:40 | chouimat | prpplague: WindowMaker :) |
| 13:41:07 | prpplague | DaJoker: englighment.....lol |
| 13:41:11 | DaJoker | ROTFL |
| 13:41:25 | prpplague | DaJoker: or maybe evolution, _not_ |
| 13:41:33 | DaJoker | makes sure to have his 0 ram disk kernel installed |
| 13:41:58 | prpplague | DaJoker: ya i think for my initial build i'm going to use icewm with flux and matchbox on the second round |
| 13:42:12 | DaJoker | gotcha.. |
| 13:42:25 | DaJoker | matchbox any good? haven't really played around with it |
| 13:44:08 | prpplague | DaJoker: nice and small |
| 13:44:11 | DaJoker | hrmm.. in fact.. don't even have X on my Z.. been waiting on your packages cuz I'm too lazy :) |
| 13:44:13 | prpplague | DaJoker: 79k |
| 13:44:23 | DaJoker | oooh.. nice |
| 13:44:24 | prpplague | DaJoker: ya ya |
| 13:45:00 | DaJoker | no rush.. have other things to keep me occupied.. like playing with pyqt |
| 13:45:01 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 13:45:37 | kergoth | if you should die, die in winter! |
| 13:45:43 | kergoth | cranks the music, drinks caffeine |
| 13:45:54 | chouimat | kergoth: morning |
| 13:46:08 | ljp_work | hopes kergoth doesnt start singing also |
| 13:46:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 13:46:22 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 13:46:41 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 13:46:51 | prpplague | kergoth: damit you get a radio in your box? |
| 13:47:09 | prpplague | kergoth: you get my key? |
| 13:47:26 | kergoth | prpplague: no radio, but my closed box windows machine has a soundcard. mp3s. |
| 13:47:34 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh |
| 13:47:48 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah, got the key, bout to upload it |
| 13:47:52 | NetNut404_work | hmm keep comming up with 4 document listsings for every file on the documents viewer even after flashing... |
| 13:47:58 | prpplague | kergoth: ok cool |
| 13:48:08 | prpplague | kergoth: did it look like what you needed? |
| 13:48:36 | kergoth | good quesiton, lemme take a look |
| 13:48:53 | kergoth | hugs the windows port of gvim |
| 13:50:21 | kergoth | prpplague: done. bk parent http://openzaurus@openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot, then you can bk push a changeset into bkbits. |
| 13:50:46 | chouimat | kergoth: did fix your hdd problem? |
| 13:50:52 | prpplague | kergoth: cool, i'll give it a whirl this evening |
| 13:50:57 | chouimat | add a you somewhere |
| 13:51:10 | kergoth | chouimat: the drive's dead, i yanked it from the array and re-initialized.. reinstalled debian |
| 13:52:38 | chouimat | I think it's time to reinstall teTeX |
| 14:02:49 | chouimat | yay! opie build |
| 14:03:12 | kergoth | :) |
| 14:03:46 | chouimat | kergoth: but still no todo |
| 14:09:33 | chouimat | kergoth: what file to edit to build an image without opie-todo? |
| 14:09:48 | kergoth | chouimat: packages/opie/Makefile, all the way at the bottom, the ipkinstall : line |
| 14:10:06 | chouimat | kergoth: ok |
| 14:13:54 | carpman | w00t, PicoGUI's resource loader is now almost totaly transparent. |
| 14:14:04 | carpman | It may be time for some new PicoGUI packackes >:) |
| 14:21:36 | chouimat | hmmm my z seems to stop after monitor_modinit finished |
| 14:25:52 | chouimat | kergoth:an idea for the uic in qte-2.3.4 (build it with -static) |
| 14:27:00 | NetNut404_work | when I upgrade my opie-base to the one from optimized, so I can get ipkg-link capabilities opie no longer starts |
| 14:27:28 | kergoth | chouimat: very good idea |
| 14:27:35 | kergoth | huh? |
| 14:27:41 | kergoth | ipkg-link comes with oz-base, not opie-base. |
| 14:27:44 | kergoth | you're confused. |
| 14:27:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:27:57 | chouimat | kergoth: I have one here |
| 14:28:09 | kergoth | chouimat: want to email it my way? |
| 14:28:18 | NetNut404_work | oh lol |
| 14:28:41 | chouimat | kergoth: email the arm pdf and I will email it later today |
| 14:28:52 | kergoth | chouimat: k :) still have to figure out where i put it :) |
| 14:28:54 | kergoth | digs |
| 14:29:02 | NetNut404_work | I think I found my duping document problem... kinda weird |
| 14:29:39 | NetNut404_work | there is a /mnt/card/usr/share directory that was somehow pointing back to /mnt/card |
| 14:30:47 | NetNut404_work | so I plugged the sd into a windows box, and then the /mnt/usr/share was empty, so I could delete it.. then the problem was gone.. |
| 14:30:59 | NetNut404_work | it was very odd |
| 14:37:11 | chouimat | hmm |
| 14:40:53 | ljp_work | hmmmmm |
| 14:41:12 | kergoth | hmmmmmmmm |
| 14:41:27 | chouimat | anyone have default console problem with OZ |
| 14:41:34 | ljp_work | non word wrap is overrated |
| 14:41:50 | kergoth | 'default console problem'? |
| 14:42:16 | chouimat | kergoth: opie don't start here |
| 14:42:25 | kergoth | .. |
| 14:42:27 | kergoth | details |
| 14:42:30 | kergoth | whats the behavior? |
| 14:43:20 | chouimat | kergoth: unable to open an initial console |
| 14:43:47 | kergoth | chouimat: devices problem |
| 14:44:00 | chouimat | kergoth: the 32-0 kernel stop after the sd card driver and the 26-6 after monitor mod_init finished |
| 14:44:03 | kergoth | chouimat: have you done a clean-sourcetrees on oz-base recently? |
| 14:44:11 | kergoth | chouimat: ive never seen that.. |
| 14:44:11 | kergoth | odd |
| 14:44:43 | chouimat | kergoth: a clean yesterday |
| 14:45:49 | kergoth | chouimat: unable to open an initial console means 1) mkfs.jffs2 didnt create /boot/var/dev/tty1, or 2) oz-base didnt drop the /dev -> /var/dev link into place, or 3) oz-base didnt drop the /var/dev -> /boot/var/dev symlink into place, or 4) oz-base didnt include the console -> tty1 symlink |
| 14:46:21 | chouimat | kergoth: how I clean the rootfs dir? |
| 14:47:14 | ljp_work | with a good broom |
| 14:47:31 | ljp_work | gotta get the corners too |
| 14:47:57 | ljp_work | and use the good jffs2 soap |
| 14:48:15 | ljp_work | the bad soap leaves too many bubbles |
| 14:48:16 | chouimat | ljp_work: :) |
| 15:01:17 | kergoth | chouimat: um, clean-image was supposed to do it, but i lost that change on my dead drive :( |
| 15:01:27 | kergoth | chouimat: rm -rf output/rootfs is sufficient. |
| 15:01:33 | kergoth | chouimat: it'll reinstall everything then |
| 15:01:45 | chouimat | kergoth: k |
| 15:02:24 | ljp_work | kergoth: did you try the frankenstein trick on that drive? |
| 15:02:42 | kergoth | connect it to a lightning rod? |
| 15:03:03 | kergoth | moc_addresssettingsbase.o(.text+0x160): undefined reference to `QMetaObject::new_metaobject(char const *, char const *, QMetaData *, int, QMetaData *, int, QMetaProperty *, int, QMetaEnum *, int, QClassInfo *, int)' |
| 15:03:07 | kergoth | wtf |
| 15:04:09 | NetNut404_work | so what is neccessay to get mail to work with oz (I have read about some opie-mail thing but it never opens for me) |
| 15:04:09 | ljp_work | heh no, get an identical drive, take both apart, put dead drives platters in good drive, get data off the platters, replace platters |
| 15:05:07 | ljp_work | install mutt or pine |
| 15:05:44 | kergoth | ljp_work: ah. dont have an identical drive unfortunately, it was the oddball in my array |
| 15:06:10 | ljp_work | heh, ya thats a sticky technique anyway |
| 15:14:29 | chouimat | kergoth: same problem |
| 15:14:43 | kergoth | chouimat: my opie doesnt compile |
| 15:14:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:15:50 | ljp_work | beat it with a stick |
| 15:16:07 | kergoth | beats it with a stick |
| 15:17:13 | prpplague | calls CPS (compile protection service) |
| 15:17:46 | carpman | calls the SPC (Society for the Protection of Compilers) |
| 15:18:33 | ljp_work | calls uncle Guido |
| 15:19:29 | chouimat | calls a hooker |
| 15:20:13 | chouimat | kergoth: uic send |
| 15:31:20 | | salut, wazlaf |
| 15:31:20 | wazlaf | hi |
| 15:31:36 | wazlaf | still some problems compiling buildroot-oz |
| 15:31:54 | wazlaf | i get a segfault while compiling glibc |
| 15:32:04 | wazlaf | collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault], core dumped |
| 15:32:16 | wazlaf | i am using the embdebian arm-linux compilers |
| 15:32:35 | wazlaf | (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)) |
| 15:32:38 | prpplague | wazlaf: you read the BUILD file? |
| 15:33:14 | wazlaf | ouch, must have overseen that line.. never mind ;) |
| 15:33:29 | prpplague | wazlaf: lol, np |
| 15:33:48 | prpplague | wazlaf: we probably need to make that more versatile |
| 15:34:18 | prpplague | wazlaf: its just a time and machine issue, most of use do this on our off work time |
| 15:36:06 | numatrix | kergoth: I got my opie compiled, but no todo just as chouimat mentioned. |
| 15:36:28 | numatrix | kergoth: Though I am getting an error when I try make image: mkfs.jffs2: boot/var/empty: has no parent directory! |
| 15:37:02 | chouimat | numatrix: did you get some illegal seeks too? |
| 15:38:58 | chouimat | kergoth: ok it's my initrd.bin that don't work |
| 15:40:50 | prpplague | numatrix: did you pull you buildroot down from cvs? |
| 15:41:22 | prpplague | numatrix: i had that same problem |
| 15:44:32 | prp_lunch | numatrix: i'm headed to lunch, bbiaf, be happy to help ya if i can |
| 15:45:24 | chouimat | kergoth: PING |
| 15:45:29 | rob- | is oz no longer maintained with cvs? |
| 15:50:16 | numatrix | chouimat: No illegal seeks that I saw. |
| 15:50:37 | numatrix | prp_lunch: A while back I did a bk clone, and since then I do bk pulls to update it. |
| 15:50:48 | chouimat | numatrix: ok |
| 15:51:30 | numatrix | chouimat: But I kind of did this piece wise since I kept waiting for opie to compile, and then when I did I got all the way through a make, I figured I'd make image. |
| 15:53:22 | ljp_work | you can go to jail for illegal seeks |
| 15:55:40 | chouimat | ljp_work: I swear she told me she was 18! |
| 15:55:45 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 15:55:53 | ljp_work | you must see ID ! |
| 15:57:12 | ljp_work | is experimenting with embeddedkonsole |
| 15:57:26 | kergoth | ljp_work: working on horizontal scroll? :P |
| 15:57:35 | kergoth | ljp_work: oh, recommendation for embeddedkonsole. |
| 15:57:39 | kergoth | ljp_work: while you're at it.. |
| 15:57:56 | kergoth | ljp_work: what function does it use to spawn the shell? just system()? |
| 15:57:57 | ljp_work | yes, thats what I have beenworking on |
| 15:58:04 | ljp_work | umm |
| 15:59:48 | hardwire | hmm |
| 15:59:49 | hardwire | sweet |
| 15:59:57 | kergoth | hardwire: ? |
| 16:00:07 | hardwire | people are treating me funny |
| 16:00:21 | waz|afk | nooooo!!! Error! /home/wazlaf/buildroot-oz/sources/linux-cs_c.patch not found. |
| 16:00:22 | hardwire | one company wants me to become an cheif officer of the corperation |
| 16:00:29 | hardwire | the other just wants to giev me R&D money |
| 16:00:31 | kergoth | waz|afk: still? argh |
| 16:00:38 | waz|afk | kergoth: not still - again |
| 16:00:39 | hardwire | ponders |
| 16:00:50 | kergoth | wazlaf: gah |
| 16:01:05 | wazlaf | kergoth: it was compiling soo nicely with the embdebian compiler until it failed with glibc |
| 16:01:18 | ljp_work | hardwire: get hired as exec, and then hire me! ;) |
| 16:01:20 | kergoth | theres a reason i stick to this toolchain :) |
| 16:01:29 | wazlaf | kergoth: i then switched to the compiler in BUIILD, did a make clean - and ... again!! |
| 16:01:32 | kergoth | yeah, hire my ass too |
| 16:01:43 | ljp_work | heh OZ Alaska |
| 16:03:12 | wazlaf | kergoth: *idea* - might it be because I switched to 2.4.7 with xconfig? |
| 16:03:23 | kergoth | dont use 2.4.7. |
| 16:03:25 | kergoth | its broken. |
| 16:03:27 | kergoth | untouched. |
| 16:03:34 | kergoth | i havent had time to deal with it |
| 16:03:46 | wazlaf | kergoth: d'oh. no wonder this doesn't work ;) |
| 16:03:54 | kergoth | yup |
| 16:04:02 | hardwire | ljp_work haha |
| 16:04:03 | hardwire | exactly |
| 16:04:25 | hardwire | this is freaking me out |
| 16:04:39 | ljp_work | kergoth: uses fork() and execl() |
| 16:05:05 | ljp_work | harwire: take it! |
| 16:05:20 | ljp_work | AK is the wireless frontier |
| 16:05:54 | hardwire | I have the venga boys boom boom song stuck in my head |
| 16:05:55 | hardwire | no GOOD! |
| 16:05:57 | hardwire | damnit |
| 16:06:01 | numatrix | yeah, that would suck |
| 16:06:16 | hardwire | ljp_work the CTO positino is a year out |
| 16:06:34 | hardwire | gonna work on the sub stuff right now.. the AK company might or might not fund my node research while I am working on it |
| 16:06:40 | hardwire | and if they don't .. I can find funding elsewhere |
| 16:06:48 | hardwire | apparently.. |
| 16:07:02 | hardwire | the guy in charge of the sub is just a big networking guy when it comes to people |
| 16:07:17 | hardwire | we have some tech lawyers in silicon valley setting up our corperation pro bono |
| 16:07:46 | ljp_work | well, dont forget your favorite embedded developer ;) |
| 16:07:48 | hardwire | and when I get home I just have to teach a guy to cross his eyes and we will have hardware deevl moneys |
| 16:07:53 | hardwire | ljp_work :) |
| 16:08:09 | hardwire | you are so gonna have to learn to use debian |
| 16:08:16 | ljp_work | np |
| 16:08:22 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:08:22 | ljp_work | I've done worse |
| 16:08:44 | kergoth | ljp_work: we need to put a '-' in front of the argv[0] for the spawn of the shell |
| 16:08:44 | hardwire | bastard |
| 16:08:54 | kergoth | ljp_work: it'll spawn a login shell, and thereby load ~/.profile and friends |
| 16:09:19 | hardwire | kergoth shuold come work on this sub and wifi development if I get enough openings as well |
| 16:09:41 | hardwire | but I hate dragging people away from where they call home |
| 16:09:41 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:09:44 | kergoth | I'm all for it if i'm still sane a year out |
| 16:09:47 | kergoth | fucking customers |
| 16:09:51 | hardwire | haha |
| 16:09:55 | hardwire | the sub stuff is 3 months out |
| 16:10:12 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:10:13 | hardwire | boom boom boom boom |
| 16:10:14 | kergoth | ponders his sanity |
| 16:10:16 | hardwire | I want you in my room |
| 16:10:19 | kergoth | if you put that song in my head |
| 16:10:20 | ljp_work | is mobile |
| 16:10:20 | hardwire | shoots the venga boys |
| 16:10:21 | kergoth | i will kill you |
| 16:10:28 | hardwire | heh! |
| 16:10:35 | prp_lunch | kergoth: open_a_freain_shell("now") |
| 16:10:36 | kergoth | cranks up missing time by mdfmk to drown it out |
| 16:10:39 | hardwire | has stinky breath today |
| 16:10:42 | kergoth | prp_lunch: yeh |
| 16:11:10 | kergoth | i still need to dig up some haujobb |
| 16:11:18 | ljp_work | kergoth: "- " or " - " or " -" |
| 16:11:34 | chouimat | kergoth: which song? |
| 16:11:42 | hardwire | boom boom boom boom |
| 16:12:01 | hardwire | atleast kergoth knew who the venga boys aer |
| 16:12:02 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:12:03 | kergoth | ljp_work: just '-' .. for example, if i spawn busybox sh as '/bin/busybox -sh', busybox passes argv[0] as -sh |
| 16:12:08 | hardwire | are |
| 16:12:30 | chouimat | hardwire: I don't listen to crappy music :) |
| 16:12:36 | hardwire | chouimat I sure do |
| 16:12:47 | kergoth | listens to all music |
| 16:12:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:12:54 | hardwire | thats kind of a funny thing to say chouimat |
| 16:12:58 | hardwire | where is your crap reference? |
| 16:13:00 | chouimat | hardwire: I don't listen to radio |
| 16:13:05 | kergoth | hardwire: haha, no shit |
| 16:13:20 | kergoth | i was wondering that myself. if you've never heard crap, how would you recognize it? |
| 16:13:22 | hardwire | no radio for me either |
| 16:13:30 | kergoth | I should get xm |
| 16:13:32 | chouimat | hardwire: Celine Dion crap enough for you |
| 16:13:36 | hardwire | that would be interesting |
| 16:13:37 | prpplague | ya most of that is for mind numbed populace |
| 16:13:37 | kergoth | i hear theres actually decent stations on it |
| 16:13:43 | kergoth | prpplague: true that |
| 16:13:44 | hardwire | chouimat thats pretty crappy |
| 16:13:49 | kergoth | minnesota needs a techno/rave type club |
| 16:13:51 | hardwire | she has a song out in the new stuart little |
| 16:13:59 | hardwire | this woman is on peace love and harmony drugs |
| 16:14:05 | prpplague | kergoth: that would be cool |
| 16:14:06 | hardwire | she needs to go death metal for a year |
| 16:14:16 | chouimat | Quebec City need song death metal club |
| 16:14:30 | hardwire | are you a canadian? |
| 16:14:35 | kergoth | thats the ticket, lets all open clubs and bars |
| 16:14:37 | kergoth | w00t |
| 16:14:45 | chouimat | hardwire: yup |
| 16:14:48 | hardwire | kergoth: haha.. no.. you see this is how it goes |
| 16:14:52 | hardwire | buckaroo banzai style |
| 16:14:58 | hardwire | we all get popular |
| 16:15:03 | hardwire | open up our own personal clubs |
| 16:15:12 | hardwire | then everybody frollics out of fan euphoria |
| 16:15:38 | hardwire | the we kill the leader of whomevers club is least popular |
| 16:16:28 | chouimat | hardwire: here we have one heavy metal bar and 7 gay one and 100 of dance club |
| 16:16:28 | kergoth | hardwire: heh, why the hell do we do that? |
| 16:16:35 | hardwire | the murder trial alone will make us all filthy rich once neonazi organizatinos back us |
| 16:16:40 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:16:56 | hardwire | chouimat I was in Alberta |
| 16:17:05 | chouimat | hardwire: and? |
| 16:17:05 | hardwire | they don't seemto like quebec over there |
| 16:17:13 | hardwire | but |
| 16:17:16 | hardwire | they had good bars |
| 16:17:24 | hardwire | there was one "alternate lifestyle bar" |
| 16:17:28 | kergoth | 'dance clubs' always pop music mixed. I want a real techno club. fucking trippy lightshows and shit |
| 16:17:28 | hardwire | that a friend of mine liked |
| 16:17:33 | hardwire | so we all went there |
| 16:17:39 | hardwire | there were a lot of lesbian lap dances |
| 16:17:43 | hardwire | it was ... interesting |
| 16:17:45 | chouimat | hardwire: hehe |
| 16:17:56 | hardwire | it was called "poison" |
| 16:17:57 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:18:01 | hardwire | or venom |
| 16:18:03 | hardwire | or some silly name |
| 16:18:26 | chouimat | hardwire: one here is called "Le Bar Male" |
| 16:18:28 | hardwire | kergoth: the venom club seemed to favor KMFDM that night |
| 16:18:40 | hardwire | its freaky to down vodka and rock out to KMFDM with a bunch of lesbians all night |
| 16:18:58 | chouimat | hardwire: hehe |
| 16:19:58 | chouimat | kergoth: I get some illegal seek when I do my initrd.bin |
| 16:20:26 | hardwire | http://segfault.bogomip.com/radio.m3u |
| 16:20:37 | hardwire | kergoth: there are some interesting house style techno radios on there |
| 16:20:48 | chouimat | kergoth: got my uic? |
| 16:21:00 | hardwire | le bar male |
| 16:21:01 | hardwire | hmm |
| 16:21:03 | hardwire | no good |
| 16:21:05 | hardwire | no good at all |
| 16:21:25 | chouimat | hardwire: atleast you know what to expect |
| 16:21:50 | hardwire | I expect never to step foot in there :) |
| 16:22:23 | hardwire | a render of mine just got placed into a 1 million subscriber publication |
| 16:22:47 | hardwire | not for rendering |
| 16:22:48 | hardwire | but for the helicopter |
| 16:23:14 | chouimat | hardwire: another one is called : "le Drague" full of horny gays in there |
| 16:24:00 | hardwire | in drag |
| 16:24:07 | hardwire | hehe |
| 16:24:22 | kergoth | hardwire: kmfdm and lesbians? what a combo |
| 16:24:26 | chouimat | hardwire: hehe, some very nice lesbians too |
| 16:25:52 | hardwire | HEH |
| 16:25:54 | hardwire | DAMN |
| 16:25:56 | hardwire | CAPS |
| 16:26:09 | chouimat | kergoth: ping |
| 16:26:09 | hardwire | caps lock on most keyboards |
| 16:26:16 | hardwire | is where my control key is on my home keyboard |
| 16:26:18 | kergoth | chouimat: hold |
| 16:26:25 | kergoth | hardwire: happy hacker? |
| 16:26:29 | hardwire | holds a lesbian |
| 16:26:30 | hardwire | yeah |
| 16:26:36 | hardwire | boy this one is a squirmer |
| 16:28:33 | chouimat | Sniper 9 Police 0 |
| 16:28:41 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:28:45 | ljp_work | would I also have to use a happy hacker keybaord while I use debian? |
| 16:28:46 | kergoth | whats the line to put in .forward to use procmail again? |
| 16:28:56 | hardwire | uhm |
| 16:29:00 | hardwire | you have to do that? |
| 16:29:12 | kergoth | hardwire: if its not being used globally on the mailserver |
| 16:29:13 | hardwire | what mail server still requires that? |
| 16:29:15 | kergoth | hardwire: which it isnt |
| 16:29:16 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:29:20 | kergoth | i havent set it up yet |
| 16:29:26 | kergoth | this is a fresh debian install |
| 16:29:35 | kergoth | gets off his lazy ass and configures things |
| 16:29:55 | kergoth | smacks forehead and apt-get install postfix |
| 16:30:04 | hardwire | "|exec /usr/bin/procmail" |
| 16:30:10 | kergoth | nevermind |
| 16:30:11 | hardwire | or |
| 16:30:13 | hardwire | |/usr/bin/procmail |
| 16:30:17 | hardwire | it was in the procmailm an |
| 16:30:18 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:30:19 | hardwire | err man |
| 16:30:24 | kergoth | i still had the default exim shit installed |
| 16:30:27 | hardwire | postfix will be your buddy |
| 16:30:27 | kergoth | debian default postfix has procmail as the mailbox command |
| 16:30:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:30:35 | kergoth | postfix is definately my buddy |
| 16:30:44 | hardwire | mine too |
| 16:30:46 | hardwire | hugs postfix |
| 16:30:56 | hardwire | corba |
| 16:30:57 | hardwire | orb |
| 16:30:59 | hardwire | whatever |
| 16:31:02 | hardwire | what good is it? |
| 16:31:25 | kergoth | ahhh i hate it when i first set up a mailserver before i get my procmailrc in place and i've got one big ass Inbox with shit from all my MLs |
| 16:31:35 | kergoth | cleans |
| 16:32:36 | kergoth | hugs vtun |
| 16:33:17 | hardwire | you have no idea |
| 16:33:20 | hardwire | I bet you do |
| 16:33:22 | hardwire | but |
| 16:33:26 | hardwire | nobody else does |
| 16:33:34 | hardwire | is performing QoS over a vtun ATM |
| 16:33:42 | hardwire | this island is much happier |
| 16:33:48 | kergoth | I bet |
| 16:34:30 | hardwire | my pda is on my home network at home |
| 16:34:40 | hardwire | that amused the CEO out here |
| 16:35:28 | hardwire | is Harlekin still mad at me I wonder |
| 16:35:29 | ljp_work | enough to give you a job? |
| 16:35:38 | hardwire | no.. I will always have a job thru these guys |
| 16:35:41 | hardwire | if I am in Alaska |
| 16:35:48 | hardwire | I do most all the adminning from coorado |
| 16:35:56 | hardwire | but I need to actually install something this time around :) |
| 16:37:19 | ljp_work | ahh |
| 16:44:33 | chouimat | kergoth: busy? |
| 16:45:05 | kergoth | a bit |
| 16:45:06 | kergoth | whats up |
| 16:45:39 | chouimat | kergoth: did you receive uic? and i get illegal seek when building initrd.bin |
| 16:46:04 | kergoth | i got it, ignore illegal seek |
| 16:46:28 | chouimat | kergoth: ok. and my initrd.bin don't work |
| 16:46:39 | kergoth | 'don't work'? |
| 16:46:48 | kergoth | mine is building now |
| 16:46:50 | kergoth | i'll see soon |
| 16:47:12 | chouimat | kergoth: tried with zImage from 2.9.4 and it hang |
| 16:47:44 | NetNut404_work | so what is neccessay to get mail to work with oz (I have read about some opie-mail thing but it never opens for me) |
| 16:47:48 | kergoth | devices problems |
| 16:47:52 | kergoth | like i said, i'll see soon |
| 16:48:06 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: 'never opens'? |
| 16:48:07 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: tried opie-mail2? |
| 16:48:10 | NetNut404_work | yep |
| 16:48:21 | NetNut404_work | it never actually comes up |
| 16:48:21 | kergoth | opie-mail2 != opie-mail |
| 16:48:26 | kergoth | they're completely indepednent |
| 16:48:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:48:41 | kergoth | and opie-mail2 is undergoing a rewrite, so expect it to be more usable soon |
| 16:48:51 | NetNut404_work | I only tried opie-mail2 also some mailapplet |
| 16:49:16 | NetNut404_work | well to open at all right now would be an improvment |
| 16:49:58 | kergoth | it opens fine here |
| 16:50:25 | kergoth | i never use it though |
| 16:50:25 | kergoth | sticks to mutt |
| 16:56:51 | hardwire | mutt mutt mutt |
| 16:56:55 | hardwire | bitchx and mutt |
| 16:56:57 | hardwire | are all I need |
| 16:57:02 | hardwire | and screen |
| 16:57:09 | hardwire | I need that to tie the knot |
| 16:58:30 | kergoth | same here, cept i use irssi-text not bitchx :) |
| 16:58:55 | kergoth | okay |
| 16:58:56 | kergoth | today |
| 16:58:59 | hardwire | the secure thinger? |
| 16:59:06 | kergoth | I'm converting the toolchain build to the new format |
| 16:59:26 | kergoth | so buildroot will build us nifty gcc3.2 + glibc 2.3 or gcc2.95.4 + glibc 2.2.5 toolchains |
| 17:00:29 | kergoth | and thanks to erikm and erik andersee I have all the commands necessary for the builds |
| 17:00:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:01:09 | chouimat | kergoth: they released 2.95.4? |
| 17:01:26 | kergoth | chouimat: nah, but we'll follow in debian's footsteps |
| 17:02:11 | chouimat | kergoth`food: build finished? |
| 17:02:18 | kergoth`food | no, opie still building |
| 17:02:20 | kergoth`food | k bbl |
| 17:22:57 | kergoth`food | w00t |
| 17:22:59 | kergoth`food | buildroto finished |
| 17:23:01 | kergoth`food | finally |
| 17:24:08 | chouimat|dishes | kergoth`food: so? |
| 17:24:34 | tux_mike | is that another testing release? |
| 17:24:42 | tux_mike | that you just built |
| 17:25:40 | kergoth`food | tux_mike: current bk |
| 17:25:48 | kergoth`food | chouimat|dishes: bout to flash it |
| 17:28:58 | hardwire | I need to compile corkscrew for my PDA |
| 17:29:02 | hardwire | actually |
| 17:29:02 | hardwire | damnit |
| 17:29:07 | hardwire | no I don't |
| 17:30:51 | hardwire | this isn't right |
| 17:30:57 | hardwire | running gimp of over a t1 |
| 18:01:58 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 18:02:02 | kergoth | hey |
| 18:03:45 | Dessimat0r | hmm, when is the next optimized OZ out? I need to reflash... |
| 18:03:48 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 18:03:54 | kergoth | i'm working on the next release now |
| 18:03:58 | Dessimat0r | excellent :D |
| 18:04:10 | Dessimat0r | what will it be done by? (not rushing you ;)) |
| 18:05:09 | kergoth | i dont know |
| 18:05:15 | kergoth | one of my drives in my raid array at home took a shit |
| 18:05:17 | kergoth | lost a bunch of data |
| 18:05:20 | kergoth | i'm still playing catchup |
| 18:05:55 | NetNut404_work | ouch dataloss |
| 18:07:28 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:07:28 | kergoth | hate that |
| 18:07:31 | NetNut404_work | what is necesarry to get the z to dial in via external modem via serial port (now that I have a serial cable) |
| 18:07:40 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: install pppd? :) |
| 18:07:50 | NetNut404_work | I installed ppp but I don't where to launch it |
| 18:08:02 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: netsetup should support it |
| 18:08:02 | NetNut404_work | added it in the network accounts thing |
| 18:08:05 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: install netmon applet |
| 18:08:10 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: netmon is what lets you tell it to connect |
| 18:08:20 | NetNut404_work | cool |
| 18:08:21 | NetNut404_work | thanks |
| 18:08:42 | kergoth | np. netsetup has been rewritten btw. its not done yet htough |
| 18:08:44 | NetNut404_work | gona dial in via cell phone |
| 18:08:55 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 18:09:28 | NetNut404_work | still gotta get java going.. |
| 18:10:46 | kergoth | gonna swipe it from teh sharp rom? |
| 18:10:52 | kergoth | since there is no free jvm thatll work in oz |
| 18:10:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:11:16 | NetNut404_work | yeah I download the rom yesterday.. gotta figure out how to mount it still |
| 18:11:26 | NetNut404_work | then what's next after that? |
| 18:11:28 | kergoth | search for the url to paul's sd-on-home rom |
| 18:11:38 | kergoth | he has the mount command on there, in his instructions on customizing the sharp rom |
| 18:11:51 | NetNut404_work | cool |
| 18:14:03 | chouimat | kergoth: test the build? |
| 18:15:04 | kergoth | chouimat: its flashing now |
| 18:15:24 | chouimat | I need a beer |
| 18:15:33 | hardwire | I need poontang |
| 18:15:46 | hardwire | Ihave better chances at getting you a beer |
| 18:16:00 | chouimat | fetch a cool guiness |
| 18:16:14 | kergoth | mutters about people and their cushy at home jobs |
| 18:16:15 | kergoth | ;) |
| 18:16:37 | hardwire | is in the office today |
| 18:16:44 | hardwire | its bright |
| 18:16:53 | chouimat | kergoth: I fighting with my cat cause he want to sleep on my keyboard |
| 18:17:03 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 18:17:05 | hardwire | there are no light switches on any of the rooms either |
| 18:17:18 | hardwire | I have my own office right now and I can't cut the lights |
| 18:17:21 | hardwire | w/o going to the main switch |
| 18:17:24 | hardwire | and cutting everybodies |
| 18:17:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:17:40 | kergoth | DO IT |
| 18:17:44 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:18:02 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:18:03 | chouimat | kergoth: and must go back to the mythical city of Khatlhitther for an archeological expedition |
| 18:18:04 | kergoth | my Z wont turn on |
| 18:18:09 | hardwire | no php function to convert seconds to a total amount of time |
| 18:18:12 | hardwire | other than seconds |
| 18:18:13 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:18:44 | kergoth | hey it turned on |
| 18:18:45 | kergoth | weird |
| 18:18:50 | hardwire | I wish I could get the time difference in a total number of hours inbetween two dates |
| 18:18:52 | hardwire | that is what I want |
| 18:19:02 | hardwire | with days hours months years and blah |
| 18:19:05 | hardwire | and seconds of course |
| 18:19:05 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:19:14 | chouimat | hardwire: divid the result by 3600 |
| 18:19:25 | hardwire | but how would months work? |
| 18:19:28 | hardwire | days would be fine |
| 18:19:34 | hardwire | but we have non uniform months |
| 18:19:50 | chouimat | hardwire: stick to days |
| 18:20:09 | hardwire | bah |
| 18:20:17 | hardwire | but some of these differences will be in months |
| 18:20:26 | hardwire | I will just stick to days :) |
| 18:20:37 | chouimat | hardwire: or use lunar months :) |
| 18:20:41 | hardwire | err |
| 18:20:42 | hardwire | no |
| 18:20:43 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:20:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:21:10 | chouimat | kergoth: ? |
| 18:21:15 | kergoth | HEH |
| 18:21:24 | kergoth | chouimat: my output/rootfs/ was old |
| 18:21:33 | chouimat | kergoth: don't work? |
| 18:21:33 | kergoth | chouimat: had to wipe it and recreate the image |
| 18:21:37 | kergoth | chouimat: my /dev as a directory |
| 18:21:41 | kergoth | chouimat: /dev has to be a symlink |
| 18:21:41 | kergoth | didnt work |
| 18:21:45 | kergoth | testing a clean image now |
| 18:21:57 | hardwire | modulates |
| 18:22:00 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:22:11 | chouimat | woooot! my commercial license thing is ok.TT just send another one :) |
| 18:22:13 | kergoth | hardwire: can you demodulate too? |
| 18:22:51 | hardwire | that I can |
| 18:23:13 | kergoth | hardwire = modem |
| 18:23:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:23:40 | hardwire | damn you |
| 18:23:41 | ljp_work | shock rock |
| 18:24:49 | NetNut404_work | that kepple vnc rocks |
| 18:24:51 | ljp_work | kergoth: cvs up embeddedkonsol and you'll have --login |
| 18:25:18 | kergoth | ljp_work: er, i hope you put '-' in front of argv[0] rather than passing --login in the args |
| 18:25:45 | ljp_work | why |
| 18:25:52 | kergoth | because busybox ash doesnt support --login |
| 18:25:54 | ljp_work | works on oz |
| 18:26:00 | ljp_work | sure does |
| 18:26:04 | kergoth | and the preferred way of starting a login shell is with - in the argv[0] |
| 18:26:06 | kergoth | since when? |
| 18:26:07 | kergoth | must be new |
| 18:26:28 | kergoth | here |
| 18:26:29 | kergoth | example |
| 18:26:31 | kergoth | from the openvt man page |
| 18:26:32 | kergoth | -l Make the command a login shell. A - is prepended to the name of |
| 18:26:35 | kergoth | the command to be executed. |
| 18:26:36 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:26:58 | ljp_work | --login works |
| 18:27:16 | kergoth | its less standard |
| 18:27:17 | kergoth | but okay |
| 18:27:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:27:24 | ljp_work | lemme test the - |
| 18:27:25 | kergoth | k |
| 18:28:18 | chouimat | kergoth: did your clean image work? |
| 18:28:21 | ljp_work | the - doesnt work |
| 18:28:55 | kergoth | ljp_work: we probably need to change argv[0] to read '-sh' not '-/bin/sh' |
| 18:28:56 | NetNut404_work | interesing I find many references to "How do I make OpenZaurus do what Paul's sd-on-home rom does?" but nothing that telss me where they read that |
| 18:28:57 | kergoth | ljp_work: :) |
| 18:29:34 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:29:58 | NetNut404_work | wishes he could work at home. ... I setup a vpn setup so other people can work remote.. but they won't let me use it.. that bites |
| 18:30:20 | kergoth | chouimat: hey |
| 18:30:26 | kergoth | chouimat: it booted right into opie-login |
| 18:30:38 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 18:30:40 | kergoth | lmao |
| 18:30:49 | kergoth | the opie 'please wait' when you hit login in opie-login is so hosed. |
| 18:30:59 | chouimat | kergoth: so why I don't work here? |
| 18:31:25 | kergoth | chouimat: are you using a built kernel or a 2.9.4 kernel? |
| 18:31:59 | chouimat | kergoth: build kernel |
| 18:32:16 | kergoth | me too |
| 18:32:23 | ljp_work | ok, thats working, will change |
| 18:32:26 | kergoth | let me push all my changes in |
| 18:32:29 | kergoth | ljp_work: great, thanks |
| 18:32:42 | chouimat | kergoth: I thinks it's my initrc.bin that don't work |
| 18:34:01 | kergoth | chouimat: what is it that doesnt work exactly? what happens? |
| 18:34:24 | chouimat | I think that my CF reader is faulty |
| 18:34:59 | chouimat | kergoth: which kernel I should use? |
| 18:35:13 | kergoth | chouimat: use the ones built by the buildroot.. any of them *shoudl* work |
| 18:35:17 | kergoth | chouimat: right now i'm testing 32-32 |
| 18:35:22 | chouimat | kergoth: 5000D |
| 18:35:58 | endr | anyone using OZ 2.9.5.5 _optimized_ and can sync with intellisync? network connectivity is fine (can ssh). |
| 18:36:35 | chouimat | kergoth: will try another CF card |
| 18:39:25 | kergoth | chouimat: i bet i know the problem |
| 18:39:35 | kergoth | chouimat: hold, i'm pushing numerous changes upstream to bkbits |
| 18:39:35 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:40:16 | chouimat | kergoth: and it's what? |
| 18:40:28 | kergoth | chouimat: bk pull, then clean and rebuild oz-base |
| 18:40:39 | kergoth | chouimat: then wipe your rootfs and make image |
| 18:41:37 | chouimat | what is the problem? you screwed oz-base? |
| 18:41:53 | kergoth | chouimat: the oz-base in the bkbits tree requires the bootmenu to operate |
| 18:41:58 | kergoth | chouimat: because of the inittab entries |
| 18:42:12 | kergoth | chouimat: i just reverted it for the release, cause bootmenu wont be in this next release |
| 18:42:31 | chouimat | SUBDIRS? |
| 18:42:31 | kergoth | sort of, anyway |
| 18:42:45 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/oz-base clean package; rm -rf output/rootfs; make image; |
| 18:42:49 | chouimat | kergoth: did you test uic? |
| 18:42:55 | kergoth | not yet |
| 18:43:32 | Dessimat0r | everything is coming along nicely ;) |
| 18:43:54 | Dessimat0r | almost makes me glad my installation is messed up to justify a reflash :D |
| 18:43:59 | chouimat | kergoth: as static it can be: no stdc++.so will so when you do ldd |
| 18:44:29 | kergoth | chouimat: great |
| 18:44:48 | numatrix | kergoth: Excellent; that's exactly what I was waiting for too... |
| 18:45:25 | kergoth | well |
| 18:45:27 | kergoth | for some reason |
| 18:45:29 | kergoth | with current OZ |
| 18:45:31 | kergoth | you cant login at console |
| 18:45:33 | kergoth | its weird |
| 18:45:39 | kergoth | Busybox on zaurus login: |
| 18:45:42 | kergoth | mutters |
| 18:46:07 | Dessimat0r | you usually get that if you've tried to login once, but it failed |
| 18:46:17 | kergoth | first login didnt even prompt for a password. |
| 18:46:19 | kergoth | at all. |
| 18:46:20 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:46:22 | kergoth | ahaha |
| 18:46:24 | kergoth | i know what it is |
| 18:46:28 | kergoth | busybox isnt suid root |
| 18:46:31 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 18:46:32 | kergoth | er |
| 18:46:36 | kergoth | hrm |
| 18:46:39 | kergoth | its running as root though |
| 18:46:40 | kergoth | so thats not it |
| 18:46:42 | kergoth | mumbles |
| 18:47:02 | kergoth | okay, anyone know what login uses to authenticate? |
| 18:47:15 | kergoth | if it doesnt use pam i mean |
| 18:47:19 | kergoth | like tinylogin |
| 18:47:23 | kergoth | digs into busybox source |
| 18:47:59 | Dessimat0r | it uses tinylogin, I'm almost certain |
| 18:48:04 | kergoth | i know |
| 18:48:05 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:48:12 | Dessimat0r | I've seen it before when my installation was fucked up ;) |
| 18:48:13 | NetNut404_work | hmmm I cant find the actual info on paul's sd-on-home anywere lol |
| 18:48:13 | kergoth | i just never looked in tinylogin source |
| 18:48:20 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 18:48:29 | chouimat | kergoth: why is there no todo in today opie? |
| 18:48:54 | Dessimat0r | its a seperate ipk |
| 18:49:00 | Dessimat0r | like a todo plugin |
| 18:49:09 | kergoth | chouimat: there is in mine. mine built fine. |
| 18:49:15 | kergoth | hm |
| 18:49:31 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: you're probably thinking of the today todo plugin. todo itself isnt a plugin |
| 18:49:34 | chouimat | I have no opie-todo*ipk |
| 18:49:34 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 18:49:35 | Dessimat0r | okay |
| 18:50:04 | ljp_work | kergoth: cvs up |
| 18:50:27 | kergoth | ljp_work: k |
| 18:50:54 | ljp_work | try that |
| 18:58:10 | numatrix | kergoth: I'm getting a strange error every time I try to make image: mkfs.jffs2: boot/var/empty: has no parent directory! Any ideas? |
| 18:58:26 | chouimat | kergoth: still not working |
| 18:58:37 | kergoth | numatrix: oz-base didnt install into your rootfs |
| 18:58:42 | kergoth | numatrix: oz-base provides boot/var/dev/etc |
| 18:58:47 | kergoth | s/etc/*; |
| 18:58:48 | numatrix | kergoth: I did the oz-base clean package make.... |
| 18:59:02 | kergoth | well i dunno what to tell you |
| 18:59:07 | kergoth | if boot/var/ doesnt exist |
| 18:59:09 | kergoth | it didnt provide it |
| 18:59:13 | kergoth | bk pull and rebuild oz-base |
| 18:59:29 | numatrix | hmm; might have been the pull, let me try that again. |
| 18:59:56 | ljp_work | haha I have a login shell, and you dont |
| 19:00:42 | chouimat | kergoth: still stuck at monitor_modinit: finished |
| 19:01:37 | kergoth | chouimat: thats part of usbd monitor, the usb networking drivers. |
| 19:01:40 | kergoth | chouimat: i've never seen it fail |
| 19:01:43 | kergoth | odd |
| 19:02:31 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm not on the cradle |
| 19:03:39 | ljp_work | cradle robber! |
| 19:04:23 | kergoth | chouimat: doesnt matter, it installs a usbdmonitor driver which handles the hotplug events to make sure things happen when you do plug it into the cradle |
| 19:04:53 | chouimat | kergoth: what should i do? make clean in linux? |
| 19:05:06 | tux_mike_ | bye bye me |
| 19:05:11 | kergoth | chouimat: rm -rf output/zImage* stamps/.kernel*binary perhaps |
| 19:05:22 | kergoth | chouimat: thatll rebuild it |
| 19:07:13 | chouimat | kergoth: did you find the arm pdf? |
| 19:07:40 | kergoth | chouimat: no, but Speedy2 is going to resend. it was in my mailbox on the machine at home that died |
| 19:07:49 | chouimat | kergoth: k |
| 19:07:58 | scanline | is back (gone 11:31:39) |
| 19:08:03 | kergoth | hey scanline |
| 19:08:06 | scanline | hi kergoth |
| 19:11:38 | kergoth | hugs ccache |
| 19:12:36 | kergoth | hey, our opie build will use ccache if its installed now. supplying the right env vars to the ubild |
| 19:12:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:15:44 | Dessimat0r | is the new kernel posted to OZ yet? ;) |
| 19:16:04 | Dessimat0r | gerk |
| 19:16:05 | Dessimat0r | ported |
| 19:16:06 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 19:16:15 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: i havent had any time to work on the kernel. |
| 19:16:21 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 19:16:24 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: unless you're volunteering to do it, have some patience |
| 19:16:24 | Dessimat0r | okay |
| 19:16:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:16:26 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 19:18:09 | ljp_work | what, is he supposed to be a doctor? |
| 19:18:09 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:18:09 | ljp_work | ohhh thats patients |
| 19:18:11 | kergoth | bah |
| 19:18:13 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 19:18:16 | kergoth | eheh |
| 19:18:29 | kergoth | so is having a embeddedkonsole that loads your .profile nifty? |
| 19:18:29 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:18:55 | ljp_work | yes, I can set env stuff like normal |
| 19:18:58 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sup |
| 19:19:08 | kergoth | ljp_work: nice |
| 19:20:01 | ljp_work | still doesnt have hostory |
| 19:20:04 | ljp_work | history |
| 19:20:10 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 19:20:15 | TheMasterMind1 | konsole will now load .profile? |
| 19:20:16 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 19:20:26 | numatrix | yeah, that would be excellent... |
| 19:20:36 | TheMasterMind1 | indeedy |
| 19:21:29 | ljp_work | ya cvs up in opie |
| 19:22:00 | TheMasterMind1 | does it compile now |
| 19:22:01 | TheMasterMind1 | opie that is |
| 19:22:05 | kergoth | yes |
| 19:22:07 | kergoth | and it works |
| 19:22:11 | kergoth | i just tested an initrd.bin |
| 19:22:13 | TheMasterMind1 | bueno |
| 19:22:15 | TheMasterMind1 | and bootloader? |
| 19:22:28 | NetNut404_work | hmm what is /dev/loop? |
| 19:22:41 | TheMasterMind1 | a loopback |
| 19:22:52 | NetNut404_work | I am trying modprobe cramfs |
| 19:22:52 | NetNut404_work | losetup -o 1835008 /dev/loop0 ospack.srom |
| 19:22:52 | NetNut404_work | mkdir /mnt/flashimage |
| 19:22:52 | NetNut404_work | mount /dev/loop0 /mnt/flashimage |
| 19:23:29 | NetNut404_work | and I get /dev/loop0: No such device or address |
| 19:23:43 | chouimat | bbl will be late |
| 19:25:10 | chouimat|Away | kergoth: will be back at 9h00 EST |
| 19:27:10 | TheMasterMind1 | http://oswd.org/viewdesign.phtml?id=752&category=clean&referer=%2Fmost_popular.phtml |
| 19:27:11 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:27:13 | TheMasterMind1 | decent design |
| 19:27:18 | NetNut404_work | kergoth: if I can figure out how to mount the OSPACK what files exactly are needed for java (is it a ipk file?) |
| 19:29:11 | numatrix | NetNut404_work: there are two things that can answer both of those questions.... |
| 19:29:50 | numatrix | rombust: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=262 |
| 19:31:55 | numatrix | the list of files you need can be teased out of the jeode creator ipk: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=521 |
| 19:33:43 | NetNut404_work | I am a little lost on what the Jeod Creator does |
| 19:34:04 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:34:08 | NetNut404_work | how does it make the ipk file? |
| 19:34:11 | numatrix | NetNut404_work: it's an ipk file that is basically just a shell script that you run on a sharp rom and it will create the ipk. |
| 19:34:16 | numatrix | NetNut404_work: ipks are basically just tar.gz files. |
| 19:34:22 | TheMasterMind1 | what are the chances of me finding a decent design that can be used on openzaurus.org on oswd.org |
| 19:34:28 | NetNut404_work | ahh |
| 19:34:32 | numatrix | NetNut404_work: so making them is pretty easy if you know the right format. one sec. |
| 19:34:34 | | howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ or see xcompile for cross compiler setup |
| 19:34:34 | numatrix | ibot: howto |
| 19:34:47 | numatrix | NetNut404_work: http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ipkg_howto.shtml |
| 19:35:29 | NetNut404_work | ahh.. but first I gotta figure how to get the files out of that rom file right? |
| 19:35:47 | numatrix | use that other link I pointed out. |
| 19:37:46 | chouimat|Away | kergoth: my builds still don't work. I will check later |
| 19:37:53 | kergoth | chouimat|Away: k |
| 19:37:58 | kergoth | numatrix: any luck on your build? |
| 19:38:12 | numatrix | kergoth: Nope; same wierd boot/var/ not existing error. |
| 19:38:26 | DaJoker | TheMasterMind1: have a look at http://plone.org |
| 19:39:27 | TheMasterMind1 | DaJoker: hmm, cool |
| 19:39:29 | kergoth | numatrix: cat output/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/oz-base.list|grep var |
| 19:39:31 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't like CMSs though |
| 19:39:38 | TheMasterMind1 | infact, i rather dislike them |
| 19:39:44 | numatrix | no such file or directory |
| 19:39:49 | kergoth | numatrix: like i said. |
| 19:39:56 | numatrix | kergoth: There's nothing in output/rootfs |
| 19:39:56 | kergoth | numatrix: if that doesnt exist, oz-base didnt install |
| 19:40:01 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:40:25 | kergoth | make image installs everything into there |
| 19:40:38 | kergoth | unless output/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/[package name].control eixsts |
| 19:40:43 | DaJoker | TheMasterMind1: ahh.. well wasn't really saying use plone.. just thought you may be interested in the design.. |
| 19:42:28 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:42:33 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't want to rip off the design though |
| 19:42:33 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:42:44 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: http://themastermind1.net/syslab/ we can use that design for the OZ site |
| 19:43:03 | TheMasterMind1 | mod it a little, add images |
| 19:43:09 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a few nice ones on oswd.org |
| 19:43:10 | TheMasterMind1 | looking for em |
| 19:45:36 | TheMasterMind1 | http://mars.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/supercomp/ |
| 19:45:40 | TheMasterMind1 | that's the one i put up today |
| 19:45:44 | TheMasterMind1 | decent design from oswd |
| 19:46:37 | TheMasterMind1 | sup Onyx4 |
| 19:47:09 | Onyx4|work | hey |
| 19:47:30 | TheMasterMind1 | look for a design on oswd.org that we can use |
| 19:47:33 | TheMasterMind1 | for openzaurus.org |
| 19:48:43 | NetNut404_work | numatrix: so it lists a few files BOOTSHP2.BIN, CF.BIN, COLLIE.BIN, ZIMAGE, ROMDISK.BIN |
| 19:50:02 | TheMasterMind1 | http://oswd.org/designornot/index.phtml |
| 19:50:04 | TheMasterMind1 | nice and simple |
| 19:50:05 | ljp_work | damn, now I can get on with getting more columns in embeddedkonsole |
| 19:50:14 | TheMasterMind1 | not much place for stuff though |
| 19:51:06 | DaJoker | http://www.oswd.org/viewdesign.phtml?id=209&referer=/browse.php?sort=&page=10 |
| 19:51:12 | DaJoker | kinda interesting |
| 19:52:03 | TheMasterMind1 | heh yea |
| 19:52:18 | TheMasterMind1 | he has nice designs |
| 19:52:25 | TheMasterMind1 | http://oswd.org/designornot/index.phtml |
| 19:52:26 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:52:42 | numatrix | NetNut404_work: extract them all, you'll want to open up the one containig the file system; probably zimage |
| 19:52:59 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm thinking my modified pretension will be good |
| 19:54:05 | TheMasterMind1 | http://themastermind1.net/80211/one/ |
| 19:54:07 | TheMasterMind1 | that's nice also |
| 19:54:42 | TheMasterMind1 | http://themastermind1.net/80211/one/ might be a good one to use.. not sure where we would put pingus etc |
| 19:55:12 | NetNut404_work | who do you extract? this c file just views the contents |
| 19:56:13 | NetNut404_work | oh |
| 19:56:17 | numatrix | NetNut404_work: beats me, I've never used it before. :-) |
| 19:56:34 | NetNut404_work | it automaticly braks out the files.. |
| 19:59:12 | NetNut404_work | so did you ever get java installed on your oz then? |
| 19:59:17 | numatrix | NetNut404_work: yes. |
| 19:59:27 | NetNut404_work | so what did you do? |
| 19:59:28 | numatrix | NetNut404_work: but I made the ipk for it from the sharp rom before I went to oz. |
| 19:59:54 | NetNut404_work | crud.. that's what I need... doh! |
| 20:00:47 | scanline | kergoth: looks like menuconfig has been fixed in lkc.. any plans to update OZ to a new version of lkc? :) |
| 20:05:46 | numatrix | <sigh> So close to a working build... it's been a while. ;-) I'm going to try a make clean and give it a whirl again. |
| 20:06:24 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: coool, kergoth was waiting on a new version |
| 20:08:00 | Dessimat0r | my Z is fucked anyway atm ;) needs a complate reflash to get it back to nominal shite |
| 20:08:02 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 20:08:22 | numatrix | I'm out for the day; later all. |
| 20:08:24 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 20:08:32 | Dessimat0r | l8r |
| 20:13:14 | NetNut404_work | doh |
| 20:13:33 | NetNut404_work | I got the filesystem mounted.. bo idea what to do with it |
| 20:14:04 | ljp_work | tickle its utters |
| 20:14:21 | Dessimat0r | put pr0n on it |
| 20:14:42 | hardwire | Alaska deli |
| 20:14:44 | hardwire | big goddamn subs |
| 20:14:56 | NetNut404_work | is tryin to get java outa the sharp rom |
| 20:14:58 | hardwire | I really hate eating subs with rock hard bread however |
| 20:15:05 | NetNut404_work | has it mounted |
| 20:15:15 | Dessimat0r | I hate eating subs with battleships |
| 20:15:32 | kergoth | scanline: i'll update it in about 10 minutes :) |
| 20:15:40 | kergoth | working menuconfig.. niftyyyy |
| 20:15:48 | scanline | :) |
| 20:15:52 | hardwire | niceee |
| 20:15:53 | NetNut404_work | keroth: got the rom mounted |
| 20:16:00 | Dessimat0r | 0wnage :D |
| 20:16:25 | Dessimat0r | soon we shall be transported to OZ again |
| 20:16:49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: what do you think of http://themastermind1.net/80211/one/ |
| 20:17:10 | Dessimat0r | looks nice, TheMasterMind1 |
| 20:17:32 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a couple other decent ones on oswd.org also |
| 20:17:41 | hardwire | pepsi tastes like texas coke up here |
| 20:17:45 | TheMasterMind1 | we could maybe use one of these as a starting point for the openzaurus.org design |
| 20:18:02 | kergoth | oswd.org? |
| 20:18:07 | TheMasterMind1 | open source web design |
| 20:18:13 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:18:20 | TheMasterMind1 | most of the stuff there is crap |
| 20:18:23 | TheMasterMind1 | but there's a few nice ones |
| 20:18:24 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 20:18:44 | xtmdster | Is there a usbdnet patch for 2.4.18-10? |
| 20:19:21 | Onyx4|work | the usbdnet patch works on 17 thru 19 |
| 20:19:26 | Onyx4|work | from the zauruszone howto |
| 20:19:30 | kergoth | -10 is a redhat version |
| 20:19:33 | kergoth | who knows what changes were there |
| 20:19:39 | kergoth | may prevent the patch from applying cleanly |
| 20:19:44 | TheMasterMind1 | curses redhat |
| 20:19:45 | kergoth | it'll be -ac plus other redhatism |
| 20:19:52 | NetNut404_work | so what files do I need from the sharp rom to make a java ipk for zaurus? |
| 20:19:59 | Onyx4|work | is the debian kernel uses -ac or stock? |
| 20:20:14 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: debian is stock plus a few debian patches |
| 20:20:19 | NetNut404_work | er for OZ I mean |
| 20:20:21 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: liek the patch to use a cramfs initrd |
| 20:20:24 | Onyx4|work | I just compiled a 2.4.19(debian)+preempt+xfs today hehe |
| 20:20:56 | TheMasterMind1 | mnnn |
| 20:20:58 | TheMasterMind1 | preempt |
| 20:21:06 | xtmdster | I see seven versions of the patch on the howto site. I'm just curious which one to use? |
| 20:21:12 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:21:14 | kergoth | xtmdster: um |
| 20:21:18 | kergoth | xtmdster: use the one for 2.4.18. |
| 20:21:32 | xtmdster | Ok, thanks. |
| 20:22:02 | Dessimat0r | http://oswd.org/design/3/lavender/ |
| 20:22:06 | Dessimat0r | this isnt so bad either |
| 20:22:22 | NetNut404_work | anyone made a java ipk for OZ before know what files I need out of the sharp rom? |
| 20:22:25 | Onyx4|work | so kergoth, did you had time to rewrite all your changes now and push them? |
| 20:22:44 | Onyx4|work | I want to know if I do a mrproper build from now, and upgrade manually to that with ipk, if there are sitll caveats |
| 20:23:03 | noda | Moo! |
| 20:23:07 | kergoth | upgrade manually to that with ipk? |
| 20:23:10 | noda | My monitor seems to be less sucky today :) |
| 20:23:10 | kergoth | wtf does that mean |
| 20:23:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:23:13 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 20:23:21 | Onyx4|work | I mean not flash, just upgrade heh |
| 20:23:27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: how much did you lose with the hdd crash |
| 20:23:29 | noda | Maybe the phase of the moon has something to do with my image quality :) |
| 20:23:43 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: i reverted some changes until after the release. i didnt lose them, we'll bring them back for the release after this one |
| 20:23:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not too much, most of what i do is in repositories somewhere |
| 20:23:57 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 20:24:05 | TheMasterMind1 | what else have you reverted? |
| 20:24:07 | TheMasterMind1 | other than hostap |
| 20:24:21 | Onyx4|work | ok... but is the /dev reverted or it's still ramfs? |
| 20:24:23 | kergoth | oz-base |
| 20:24:26 | noda | kergoth: Any idea about this "busybox login" thingy? :) |
| 20:24:31 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: its ramfs, which means upgrading breaks |
| 20:24:34 | kergoth | noda: i'm working on it right now |
| 20:24:37 | noda | woo! :) |
| 20:24:39 | kergoth | noda: digging in the busybox source |
| 20:24:47 | noda | Ooh, fun :) |
| 20:24:55 | kergoth | nothing seems really wrong |
| 20:24:57 | kergoth | so i dont get it |
| 20:25:11 | kergoth | hey |
| 20:25:13 | kergoth | i have an idea |
| 20:25:16 | kergoth | noda: rm -f /etc/securetty |
| 20:25:37 | noda | Does this have any chance of making my computer absolutely useless? :) |
| 20:25:41 | kergoth | noda: nope |
| 20:25:43 | kergoth | harmless |
| 20:25:50 | kergoth | but it may give me an idea of where the problem is |
| 20:25:58 | noda | Okay, reboot now? |
| 20:26:02 | kergoth | no need |
| 20:26:06 | kergoth | just try logging in at console |
| 20:26:06 | noda | Okay |
| 20:26:07 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:26:27 | noda | Woo! |
| 20:26:30 | noda | Sweet! |
| 20:26:32 | kergoth | it worked? |
| 20:26:36 | noda | Now to put that mtdram in the right place :) |
| 20:26:37 | noda | Yeah |
| 20:26:40 | kergoth | okay wait up |
| 20:26:44 | kergoth | at a prompt there |
| 20:26:48 | kergoth | run 'tty' |
| 20:26:50 | kergoth | tell me what it says |
| 20:27:26 | noda | /var/dev/tty1 |
| 20:27:38 | kergoth | ahahaha |
| 20:27:40 | kergoth | dies |
| 20:27:49 | kergoth | fuck me |
| 20:28:06 | noda | What? :) |
| 20:28:17 | kergoth | the busybox securetty code looks at full path. we had just 'tty1' in securetty. |
| 20:28:29 | noda | OH |
| 20:28:30 | kergoth | so it thought this wasnt a legal tty to login as root on |
| 20:28:31 | prpplague | kergoth: oops |
| 20:28:39 | noda | Yeah, slight problem there :) |
| 20:28:49 | kergoth | prpplague: but who's oops is it? normal securetty behavior is specify path relative to /dev |
| 20:28:54 | kergoth | tis odd |
| 20:29:17 | noda | It must have something to do with the switch to /var/dev... maybe busybox doesn't follow symlinks properly? |
| 20:29:23 | prpplague | kergoth: true, but often on embedded systems, the dev might be symlinked to other paths |
| 20:29:41 | noda | prpplague: It is, kergoth changed it around 2 days ago :) |
| 20:29:48 | kergoth | prpplague: yep, its in a ramdisk now |
| 20:29:53 | kergoth | prpplague: same layout as tuxscreen |
| 20:30:03 | noda | kergoth: Is it just me, or does it boot faster now that it's on ramdisk? |
| 20:30:17 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh, some libc version report the paths on tty differently |
| 20:30:20 | noda | kergoth: Oh, and am I free to umount and copy mtdblock6 onto flash? :) |
| 20:30:37 | kergoth | prpplague: is it supposed to return the real path or the path to the symlink? |
| 20:30:40 | prpplague | kergoth: i had to make some changes to tinylogin to support my dev devices in /tmp instead of /dev |
| 20:30:46 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:31:04 | kergoth | prpplague: are those changes in the ver of tinylogin that was incorporated into busybox? |
| 20:31:07 | prpplague | kergoth: my expirence is that it returns the full path |
| 20:31:10 | prpplague | kergoth: sorry can't answer that |
| 20:31:14 | kergoth | hrm |
| 20:31:16 | prpplague | kergoth: you could pester andersee |
| 20:32:20 | ljp_work | kergoth: what was that ts fix? |
| 20:32:34 | noda | kergoth: Hrm, how would I go about umounting ramfs? Delete all the devices? |
| 20:33:11 | kergoth | noda: what? |
| 20:33:15 | kergoth | noda: mtdblock6 != ramfs |
| 20:33:20 | kergoth | noda: mtdblock6 = mtdram |
| 20:33:22 | noda | kergoth: I know. |
| 20:33:30 | kergoth | you want your devices in flash? |
| 20:33:39 | kergoth | is confused |
| 20:33:41 | noda | kergoth: But I need the *device* on flash so that it'll mount it on bootup, remember? That was the original problem :) |
| 20:33:49 | kergoth | noda: actually |
| 20:33:59 | kergoth | noda: i can tell you whats up there |
| 20:33:59 | kergoth | i think |
| 20:34:04 | kergoth | ponders |
| 20:34:12 | kergoth | noda: /var/dev in flash is supposed to be a symlink to /boot/var/dev |
| 20:34:20 | kergoth | noda: which *does* have that device |
| 20:34:22 | noda | It's simple, fstab is read before the devices are created. |
| 20:34:29 | kergoth | actually, its not |
| 20:34:30 | kergoth | well |
| 20:34:31 | kergoth | it is |
| 20:34:33 | kergoth | but |
| 20:34:38 | kergoth | er |
| 20:34:39 | xtmdster | Ok, another stupid question. When I click on the usbdnet patch to download it, it displays the file as a page instead. If I right click and save as, then when I try to zcat the patch it says its not in gzip format. What am I supposed to do? |
| 20:34:43 | kergoth | is confused |
| 20:34:49 | kergoth | okay |
| 20:35:05 | noda | xtmdster: Download the module, not the patch (I think, I don't use it any more) |
| 20:35:17 | kergoth | noda: ensure mtdblock6 is before the /var mount in fstab, and ensure /var/dev is a symlink to /boot/var/dev (in flash, not /var ramfs) |
| 20:35:30 | kergoth | noda: then mtdblock6 will exist via that symlink before it mounts /var |
| 20:35:33 | prpplague | confusion bad, understanding good, beeeeer |
| 20:35:38 | kergoth | noda: so basically, adjust the order in your fstab. |
| 20:35:44 | kergoth | noda: to ensure mtdblock6 mounts before /var |
| 20:35:45 | kergoth | noda: :) |
| 20:36:14 | hardwire | blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah |
| 20:36:15 | noda | kergoth: Okay... um... that'll work? |
| 20:36:24 | noda | kergoth: But if /var/dev is a symlink to /boot/var/dev... |
| 20:36:34 | NetNut404_work | so now that I jave the sharp rom mounted what do I need out of it to install java on OZ ? |
| 20:36:50 | kergoth | noda: /boot/var/dev contains the devices. |
| 20:36:54 | noda | kergoth: Then how will the devices end up on ram? Won't they just stay on flash, defeating the purpose? |
| 20:36:56 | xtmdster | Hmmm. The module is not on the download page. |
| 20:37:01 | kergoth | noda: no |
| 20:37:03 | kergoth | noda: when var is mounted |
| 20:37:07 | kergoth | noda: /var/dev isnt a symlink anymore |
| 20:37:13 | noda | Oh, it's overwritten? I see. |
| 20:37:14 | kergoth | noda: because /var is empty, an empty ramfs |
| 20:37:23 | kergoth | no, its mounted on top of whats already there |
| 20:37:26 | noda | Right. |
| 20:37:29 | kergoth | and when that happens, you cant see what used to be there |
| 20:37:42 | noda | Okay, so now I have to figure out how to umount /var (just this once) |
| 20:38:15 | kergoth | yup |
| 20:38:18 | noda | umount: /var: Device or resource busy |
| 20:38:25 | kergoth | yeah, things are using the devices |
| 20:38:25 | ljp_work | kergoth: rememeber the touchscreen device upgrade problem? what was that fix? |
| 20:38:28 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:38:44 | kergoth | ljp_work: heh, we're talking about that now |
| 20:38:44 | noda | So can I delete all the devices from /var/dev that show up in an ls of /boot/var/dev? Simple bash stuf.f.. |
| 20:38:51 | kergoth | ljp_work: touchscreen breaks because of the devices move |
| 20:39:06 | noda | cd /boot/var/dev && find . -exec rm -f /var/dev/{} \; |
| 20:39:07 | ljp_work | ahh.. well.. bbl |
| 20:39:07 | kergoth | ljp_work: cp -a /boot/var/dev/* /dev/; |
| 20:39:13 | noda | right? |
| 20:39:15 | kergoth | ljp_work: but its a hack |
| 20:39:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:39:21 | ljp_work | k |
| 20:39:50 | kergoth | noda: hmm, in unix, dont the files stay not deleted until they stop being used? |
| 20:39:54 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:40:03 | noda | kergoth: Yeah, but you'll be able to unmount, won't you? |
| 20:40:09 | hardwire | mmmmmmmmm |
| 20:40:14 | hardwire | nihil - ultra |
| 20:40:17 | kergoth | noda: couldnt you just boot up without mounting it? |
| 20:40:19 | noda | kergoth: Well, it's worth a shot anyway, even if they are I can just rebot. |
| 20:40:27 | kergoth | noda: comment out the /var mount in fstab |
| 20:40:27 | kergoth | noda: and reboot |
| 20:40:27 | kergoth | noda: heh |
| 20:40:37 | noda | kergoth: There's an idea. |
| 20:40:53 | noda | heh, busybox find doesn't support -exec anyway :) |
| 20:41:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:41:19 | kergoth | if ( strcmp ( buf, tty ) == 0 ) { |
| 20:41:20 | noda | This'd better not break everything :P |
| 20:41:21 | kergoth | looks like |
| 20:41:26 | kergoth | our securetty needs *full* paths |
| 20:41:29 | kergoth | i'll update oz-base |
| 20:42:01 | noda | Hey, know what the Zaurus really needs? A "boot from cf" option :) |
| 20:42:16 | noda | Hey, wow, opie actually starts up :) |
| 20:42:26 | mark | noda: apparently you know the fix for the touch screen working? |
| 20:42:36 | NetNut404_work | so evm is the java on the sharp rom? |
| 20:42:49 | noda | mark: Heh, ask kergoth, lol :P |
| 20:42:56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:43:00 | mark | great :) |
| 20:43:00 | noda | mark: Erm... do you have lots of stuff installed, or could you wait 'til the next image and flash? :P |
| 20:43:11 | kergoth | flashing would be the easiest solution, really |
| 20:43:14 | kergoth | cause its not fun |
| 20:43:27 | kergoth | i may just swipe from familiar and switch our asses to devfs |
| 20:43:27 | mark | lol... |
| 20:43:35 | mark | devfs rocks |
| 20:43:55 | kergoth | mark: unmaintained, pretty much |
| 20:43:55 | kergoth | mark: no body touches its code anymore |
| 20:44:05 | kergoth | itll probably go away eventually |
| 20:44:06 | kergoth | hopes |
| 20:44:11 | kergoth | devfs doesnt like me |
| 20:44:15 | mark | heh |
| 20:44:19 | noda | kergoth: Erm... my devices are here even though I commented out the ramfs line in /etc/fstab. |
| 20:44:34 | mark | kergoth: its sooo much nicer than mknod and all that |
| 20:44:44 | mark | well, from my user perspective :) |
| 20:45:02 | noda | Hey, actually, is that such a bad thing? After all, like this it'll still do stuff from ram and NOTHING else will break :P |
| 20:45:52 | kergoth | noda: the devices are all in flash still.. just in /boot instead of /dev |
| 20:45:52 | kergoth | noda: hehe |
| 20:46:08 | mark | hmm, is unstable archived anywhere so i can grab an old oz-base, i sorta could do with my pda working... |
| 20:46:15 | kergoth | mark: yes. the linux device driver model & devicefs gives us the same ease of use |
| 20:46:25 | xtmdster | Ok, the patch seemed to be stored uncompressed on th howto site but I found it on http://humphrey.applitec.com/zaurus/zstuff/usbdnet-2.4.18.patch.gz |
| 20:46:29 | noda | kergoth: Lemme get this straight one more time... when booting up, /var is mounted and then all devices are copied from /boot/var/dev to /var/dev |
| 20:46:34 | kergoth | noda: yes |
| 20:46:40 | kergoth | noda: and before the mount, /var/dev is just a symlink there |
| 20:46:47 | hardwire | hehe |
| 20:46:48 | kergoth | it works pretty smooth actually |
| 20:46:55 | noda | kergoth: So if you don't mount ramfs (which I didn't, I commented it out), it's gonna copy all the files to another part of flash :P |
| 20:47:04 | hardwire | http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/59293.htm |
| 20:47:05 | kergoth | noda: ah. lol. yes. |
| 20:47:06 | hardwire | mwa ha haha |
| 20:47:11 | noda | laughs. |
| 20:47:12 | kergoth | noda: our new extractfs should check for the mount |
| 20:47:14 | kergoth | noda: i better fix that |
| 20:47:17 | kergoth | noda: :) |
| 20:47:38 | mark | notes his Z has become an expensive brick. oh well, impatient me |
| 20:47:39 | kergoth | acutally |
| 20:47:39 | noda | Wow, my hopes of not flashing this are really looking grim :) |
| 20:47:39 | kergoth | noda: cp -a /boot/var/dev/* /var/dev/ wouldnt do anything! |
| 20:47:49 | kergoth | noda: "error, blahblah and /var/dev/blahblah are the same file!" |
| 20:47:52 | noda | kergoth: Um... |
| 20:47:56 | kergoth | noda: its a symlink! |
| 20:48:01 | noda | kergoth: /var/dev isn't a symlink before mounting, is it? |
| 20:48:03 | kergoth | noda: yes |
| 20:48:06 | noda | kergoth: You sure? |
| 20:48:07 | noda | grins. |
| 20:48:08 | kergoth | noda: yes. |
| 20:48:15 | noda | Okay, well, this is all good then! :) |
| 20:48:17 | kergoth | noda: after the mount, its a dir that gets fiels copied into it |
| 20:48:21 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:48:25 | noda | Wait a sec... I'm confused. |
| 20:48:32 | kergoth | before mount |
| 20:48:37 | kergoth | /var/ has a couple things in it |
| 20:48:42 | kergoth | like a dev -> /boot/var/dev symlink |
| 20:48:43 | kergoth | then |
| 20:48:47 | kergoth | ramfs mounts on top of /var |
| 20:48:50 | kergoth | its now empty |
| 20:48:52 | noda | AH, so the ONLY problem I had was that mtdblock6 appeared AFTER ramfs in my fstab. |
| 20:48:55 | kergoth | dirs get created, devices copied over |
| 20:48:57 | kergoth | noda: *exactly* |
| 20:49:02 | noda | Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :) |
| 20:49:06 | kergoth | pretty lame eh? |
| 20:49:08 | kergoth | ;) |
| 20:49:08 | noda | All is well now :) |
| 20:49:10 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:49:25 | noda | Yeah, damned simple. Oh, the securetty was a good bug to catch before release though :) |
| 20:49:25 | kergoth | mark: hell, i have no idea where the old version is, pain in the ass |
| 20:49:26 | kergoth | noda: very |
| 20:49:48 | noda | "Cannot create /dev/null: no such file or directory" (that's part of my bootup) |
| 20:49:58 | noda | Yay, working! |
| 20:50:17 | noda | Maybe some of these warnings should be worked around, makes for a more encouraging bootup :) |
| 20:50:22 | mark | kergoth: oh well. |
| 20:50:29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:50:29 | mark | noda: you dont have an old verson of ozbase do u? |
| 20:50:32 | kergoth | mark: but |
| 20:50:34 | noda | (i.e., not "I don't know what the hell I'm doing here, I'll just start opie and hope for the best", but rather, "Everything is going great." |
| 20:50:37 | Dessimat0r | booyah! booyah! :D |
| 20:50:39 | kergoth | mark: i can walk you through the transition |
| 20:50:45 | | i think optimized is new fully optmized opie/qte oz release at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ or update from the feed (tested from 2.9.5.5) http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ or or onyx4's at http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ or get konq/e at http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/konqueror-snapshot-full_0.9.1-20020912.2_arm.ipk |
| 20:50:45 | noda | ibot: optimized |
| 20:50:48 | mark | kergoth: how long is it likely to take? |
| 20:50:53 | noda | mark: There's an old version there, in /unstable/optimized. |
| 20:50:53 | kergoth | mark: not long |
| 20:50:57 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:50:58 | kergoth | forgot about that one |
| 20:51:19 | NetNut404_work | what all is there to get java copied out of the sharp rom? |
| 20:51:20 | mark | unoffical/unstable or unstable/ |
| 20:51:41 | kergoth | mark: the unofficial feed has a slightly older build, use it |
| 20:51:48 | noda | kergoth: Do you get the same error messages as I do when you boot up? Stuff about /dev/initctl, /dev/null... |
| 20:52:04 | Dessimat0r | brb |
| 20:52:05 | Dessimat0r | piss |
| 20:52:09 | noda | And this long-standing "urandom start: failed.", "Starting syslogd/klogd: start-stop-daemon: invalid option -- q |
| 20:52:13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:52:17 | kergoth | the syslog behavior should be fixed now |
| 20:52:23 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:52:24 | kergoth | the urandom start stillf ails though |
| 20:52:27 | TheMasterMind1 | didn't we fix all those bugs? |
| 20:52:36 | noda | inetd doesn't work properly either, "inetdstart-stop-daemon: unable to start /usr/sbin/inetd: Exec format error |
| 20:52:37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: why did you backrev oz-base? |
| 20:52:37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not the urandom start failure |
| 20:52:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: because latest version had boot menu support.. required it. |
| 20:52:58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and i'm not including the bootup menu in this release |
| 20:53:02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not enough time to fully test it |
| 20:53:02 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm k |
| 20:53:08 | noda | And when starting opie, I think this is new for me: "You seem to already have a /root/Applications directory. Assuming it is the Opie Applications directory. Exiting." |
| 20:53:11 | TheMasterMind1 | when is this so called release releasing |
| 20:53:13 | mark | kergoth: trying, how do i boot and not start opie? |
| 20:53:21 | kergoth | noda: thats harmless, but we should be 2>/dev/null'ing that |
| 20:53:25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: asap. i'm working on it now |
| 20:53:40 | noda | Starting at daemon: atd.\n[: missing ] |
| 20:54:07 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: cool |
| 20:54:07 | Dessimat0r | what is the procedure for doign a complate format of a CF? not just a quick format using mkfs.ext2 |
| 20:54:13 | Dessimat0r | complete |
| 20:54:14 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: um. |
| 20:54:17 | noda | Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdThis platform does not support both privilege separation and compression\nCompression disabled" - ooh, I know that one, one-line fix in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 20:54:24 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: mkfs.blah *is* a format in the normal sense of the word |
| 20:54:33 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 20:54:33 | TheMasterMind1 | just disable compression altogether |
| 20:54:33 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: you dont want to low level format it. trust me. |
| 20:54:38 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: floppies are different |
| 20:54:42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 20:54:43 | noda | Exactly. It's not starting with it anyway. |
| 20:54:47 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 20:54:55 | Dessimat0r | Sometimes, my CF card takes ages to read from and write from |
| 20:54:58 | Dessimat0r | write to |
| 20:55:00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm, maybe atd's not starting so that's why date settings crash |
| 20:55:03 | Dessimat0r | for no reason |
| 20:55:05 | noda | That fix should be put into the ipk, no? |
| 20:55:06 | TheMasterMind1 | <noda> Starting at daemon: atd.\n[: missing ] |
| 20:55:14 | mark | kergoth: trying, how do i boot and not start opie?, please, i need this to get my wlan card up to install old oz base |
| 20:55:27 | TheMasterMind1 | mark: what oz release |
| 20:55:30 | Dessimat0r | It seems to be fast for a whilem then it goes suddendly slow |
| 20:55:40 | kergoth | mark: um, you cant navigate opie without a stylus? works fine here |
| 20:55:40 | Dessimat0r | for no reason |
| 20:55:41 | mark | TheMasterMind1: i just upgraded it to latest |
| 20:55:42 | NetNut404_work | uggh |
| 20:55:50 | mark | kergoth: i can, but konsole aint working |
| 20:55:54 | Dessimat0r | sorry about typing mistakes ;) |
| 20:55:56 | kergoth | mark: terminate opie |
| 20:56:07 | kergoth | mark: this is oz right? it'll drop you to a prompt |
| 20:56:08 | TheMasterMind1 | that will spawn opie-login |
| 20:56:09 | mark | silly me |
| 20:56:16 | mark | kergoth: i've been too long not doing this :) |
| 20:56:17 | TheMasterMind1 | does opie-login allow going to console? |
| 20:56:20 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Only if it's installed :) |
| 20:56:23 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:56:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes, it does. new versions anyway |
| 20:56:28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: works great |
| 20:56:29 | noda | TheMasterMind1: opie-login isn't installed by default, so it'll drop to a shell. |
| 20:56:29 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 20:56:29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :) |
| 20:56:36 | noda | Oh, neat :) |
| 20:56:41 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to upgrade to this new stuff and check it out |
| 20:56:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i just flashed with todays opie |
| 20:56:54 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Wait for the image :P |
| 20:56:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: tis nifty |
| 20:56:55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: stick that initrd.bin you tested somewhere |
| 20:57:10 | TheMasterMind1 | in unstable/unofficial/blahb/ah |
| 20:57:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh, okay, then you can help me iron out the last bugs for the release |
| 20:57:22 | noda | kergoth: Today's opie? Is that with the crossref merges, etc? |
| 20:57:30 | mark | kergoth: heh, something segfualted, couldn't log in. i think i'll leave it until next image.. |
| 20:57:36 | kergoth | noda: well, new pim support is avail, but the pim apps don tuse it yet |
| 20:57:41 | noda | kergoth: oh. |
| 20:57:44 | kergoth | mark: want a test initrd.bin? :) |
| 20:57:55 | kergoth | mark: i need testers to iron out the kinks for this release |
| 20:57:59 | noda | Like wiring a whole house and only using one network port... |
| 20:58:05 | mark | kergoth: won't be able to test till tomorrow evening, but i will then |
| 20:58:08 | Dessimat0r | explain this ;) I used fdisk to delete all partitions on the CF, rebooted, made a new parition of EXT2, rebooted, used mkfs.ext2 on /dev/hda1 to create a filesystem in the partition, rebooted, ran fsck.ext2, there were file errors on the device |
| 20:58:13 | kergoth | mark: k |
| 20:58:20 | mark | (thats 24h) |
| 20:58:22 | mark | i'll download now |
| 20:58:24 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: physical problems on the media? |
| 20:58:25 | mark | if i can |
| 20:58:32 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: does non-root opie work now? |
| 20:58:34 | Dessimat0r | don't think so, its new |
| 20:58:43 | Dessimat0r | also... it detected an ext3 superblock |
| 20:58:49 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:58:51 | TheMasterMind1 | interesting |
| 20:58:51 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:58:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we're damn close to it, but not quite. if you want to work on that with me, we can probably have it ready in no time |
| 20:58:53 | Dessimat0r | I haven't used ext3 on it |
| 20:59:01 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:59:04 | TheMasterMind1 | i have shit to do first |
| 20:59:06 | TheMasterMind1 | shitloads of shit |
| 20:59:16 | noda | kergoth: Oh, here's a biggie: WAAAY up on top, "Usage: fsck.minix [-larvsmf] /dev/name" |
| 20:59:25 | TheMasterMind1 | couple of essays, 4 labs, spanish writeup, reading 8 chapters |
| 20:59:25 | noda | Heh, maybe that's why it boots so much faster :) |
| 20:59:26 | TheMasterMind1 | etc etc |
| 20:59:36 | kergoth | noda: thats gone now |
| 20:59:39 | kergoth | noda: we switched mtdram to ext2 |
| 21:00:04 | Dessimat0r | heh, gimme this release now! :D |
| 21:00:09 | noda | kergoth: Oh, um..... uh.... okay, so if I copy all my stuff from ram to sd, mkfs.ext2 /dev/mtdblock6 and copy it back I'll be all good? :) |
| 21:00:12 | Dessimat0r | I'm drooling ;) |
| 21:00:22 | noda | (I REALLY want to do this manual upgrade :P) |
| 21:00:49 | kergoth | noda: yup |
| 21:00:55 | noda | Okay, doing that now :) |
| 21:01:24 | Dessimat0r | WARNING: MANUAL UPGRADE IS NOT RECOMMENDED:GNINRAW |
| 21:01:33 | noda | Wow, /mnt/card is so much bigger than /mnt/ram... I still can't believe how much stuff can fit on 16 meg of flash and 24 mb of ram :) |
| 21:01:41 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 21:02:06 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:02:10 | noda | kergoth: I'm not familiar with minix, why was it used, what are the advantages/disadvantages to ext2? :) |
| 21:02:11 | kergoth | arghs |
| 21:02:15 | noda | (compared to, that is) |
| 21:02:19 | kergoth | noda: none. minix is a more minimal fs |
| 21:02:25 | kergoth | noda: it was used because busybox had built in tools for it |
| 21:02:32 | kergoth | noda: but we're preinstalling e2fsprogs anyway |
| 21:02:45 | noda | Oh... doesn't busybox have e2fsprogs in it? |
| 21:02:47 | kergoth | nope |
| 21:02:51 | kergoth | check this |
| 21:02:56 | kergoth | the mtdblock6 fstab entry |
| 21:02:56 | noda | Okay. |
| 21:02:59 | kergoth | gets added by oz-base's postinst |
| 21:03:02 | kergoth | to the end of the file |
| 21:03:03 | kergoth | ! |
| 21:03:05 | kergoth | doh |
| 21:03:15 | kergoth | ponders |
| 21:03:24 | noda | Erm. So essentially, upgrades are absolutely impossible :P |
| 21:03:28 | kergoth | well |
| 21:03:28 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:03:30 | kergoth | until i fix this |
| 21:03:32 | kergoth | let me think |
| 21:03:49 | noda | Probably would save LOTS of effort to tell everybody "back up and flash" :) |
| 21:03:59 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:04:02 | kergoth | upgrades are a bitch |
| 21:04:03 | noda | Then lots of Cool Stuff could get coded in :) |
| 21:04:08 | kergoth | particularly with our old ass jffs2 version |
| 21:04:10 | kergoth | which causes ipgk upgrade to hang |
| 21:04:18 | noda | There's a newer jffs2? |
| 21:04:25 | kergoth | noda: we're using 2.4.6 |
| 21:04:25 | noda | What IS jffs2, a compressed journalling filesystem? |
| 21:04:27 | kergoth | noda: with 2.4.6's jffs2 |
| 21:04:30 | kergoth | noda: yes |
| 21:04:30 | noda | Ah. |
| 21:04:33 | kergoth | noda: which is designed for use on flash |
| 21:04:34 | noda | Cool :) |
| 21:04:37 | kergoth | noda: or toher mtd devices |
| 21:04:44 | kergoth | noda: the 2.4.7 tree in oz bk .. |
| 21:04:47 | kergoth | noda: has the jffs2 from 2.4.19 |
| 21:04:51 | kergoth | noda: ! |
| 21:04:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:04:53 | noda | waits and waits for his "cp /mnt/ram/* . -a"... |
| 21:04:57 | noda | ooh! |
| 21:05:01 | kergoth | but its not tested enough for public consumption |
| 21:05:04 | kergoth | no irda support for example |
| 21:05:06 | noda | Damn. |
| 21:05:06 | kergoth | but other than that |
| 21:05:07 | kergoth | it works |
| 21:05:10 | noda | Really? |
| 21:05:12 | kergoth | i'll put up some testing versions later |
| 21:05:12 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:05:16 | kergoth | first i want this release out the door |
| 21:05:16 | noda | I'd like to try it! :) |
| 21:05:17 | kergoth | then |
| 21:05:20 | kergoth | i'll play with kernels |
| 21:05:25 | mark | kergoth: what has irda got to do with jffs2? |
| 21:05:36 | noda | That'll be cool - 2.4.6 sucks, doesn't it? :) |
| 21:05:56 | noda | I've heard of big performance gains with 2.5... will those be apparent on the z? |
| 21:06:15 | kergoth | noda: likely |
| 21:06:27 | noda | Cool :) |
| 21:06:27 | kergoth | mark: nothing, just that 2.4.7 includes the newer jffs2, and doesnt include irda support for the Z |
| 21:06:31 | NetNut404_work | is there a walkthough on how to get java out of the sharp rom, and ino the OZ ? |
| 21:06:37 | kergoth | mark: whereas the stock 2.4.6 has irda support, but its jffs2 ver is old as dirt and sucks |
| 21:06:40 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: no |
| 21:06:41 | mark | kergoth: oh, right |
| 21:06:48 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: shouldve used the jeode creator on the sharp rom :) |
| 21:06:49 | mark | kergoth: i can testify to the fact it sucks :) |
| 21:06:59 | noda | I've played with PocketPC's a bit. I much prefer opie, but it must be said that they do everything much faster :) |
| 21:07:01 | kergoth | mark: yep, ipkg upgrade hangs.. fun stuff |
| 21:07:14 | Dessimat0r | would it be possible to enable the preemptiveness on the kernel? that is meant to improve performance also |
| 21:07:28 | kergoth | noda: wait for gcc 3.2 + glibc 2.3 + full optimizations + prelinking |
| 21:07:28 | kergoth | noda: opie will *fly* |
| 21:07:31 | noda | Woo! |
| 21:07:33 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: not on 2.4.6, no. |
| 21:07:44 | Dessimat0r | what about the new kernel? |
| 21:07:46 | noda | kergoth: Then again, gcc3.2 isn't until (if) Sharp supports it, right? |
| 21:07:47 | kergoth | noda: but gcc 3.2 will break our binary compatibility |
| 21:07:56 | kergoth | noda: yep. cause tkc and other binary only apps wont work |
| 21:08:15 | kergoth | noda: but i'll make initrd.bins of it available for testing for those willing to deal with binary incompatibility |
| 21:08:26 | noda | kergoth: Hrm... well, can't speak for other binary only apps, but I'm sure TheKompany would make gcc3.2 versions, no? |
| 21:08:38 | noda | kergoth: I think I'll go for one of those :) |
| 21:08:44 | kergoth | noda: you'd think so. i should talk to shawn |
| 21:09:00 | kergoth | noda: me too. today, i'm adding the ability for the buildroot to download and build a 3.2 + glibc 2.3 toolchain |
| 21:09:03 | kergoth | noda: :) |
| 21:09:06 | noda | WOO! |
| 21:09:11 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:09:14 | noda | kergoth: Don't we need a 3.2 cross-compiler? :) |
| 21:09:18 | kergoth | noda: thats what i'm saying |
| 21:09:19 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth's productivity is like soaring today |
| 21:09:23 | kergoth | noda: the buildroot will *build* one |
| 21:09:25 | kergoth | noda: !! |
| 21:09:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:09:28 | noda | Wow, that's a lot of work for one day! |
| 21:09:30 | Dessimat0r | lol, his HD got trashed ;) |
| 21:09:34 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:09:36 | kergoth | i'm playing catchup |
| 21:09:37 | noda | So it's gonna get to be what, 2.4 GB in size now? :) |
| 21:09:40 | Dessimat0r | he would have done more |
| 21:09:41 | Dessimat0r | yup |
| 21:09:51 | kergoth | noda: lol, something like that |
| 21:09:55 | kergoth | noda: its optional |
| 21:09:57 | noda | can't wait! |
| 21:09:59 | kergoth | noda: so you can use an existing toolchain if you like |
| 21:10:00 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:10:02 | noda | 2.4 gigs of goodness! :P |
| 21:10:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:10:06 | kergoth | now |
| 21:10:10 | kergoth | i need to figure out this mtdblock6 situation |
| 21:10:16 | noda | I'd much prefer to mount my own. |
| 21:10:17 | kergoth | it needs to be added to fstab at postinst time only |
| 21:10:22 | kergoth | in case of a -32 or -64 kernel |
| 21:10:25 | noda | kergoth: Why? :) |
| 21:10:27 | Dessimat0r | you'll have to ship us new ROMs to solder to the board of the Z ;) |
| 21:10:31 | noda | kergoth: Oh :( |
| 21:10:31 | kergoth | noda: cause -32 and -64 dont have mtdblock6 |
| 21:10:38 | kergoth | noda: errors on bootup, and we have *enough* of those already |
| 21:10:40 | kergoth | noda: ;) |
| 21:10:47 | noda | kergoth: I'll say. |
| 21:11:01 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: if you want a full opie install, yep |
| 21:11:06 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:11:10 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: all of opie is huge nowadayss, no way itd fit in 16mb of flash |
| 21:11:12 | noda | kergoth: Oh, I forgot to mention more bootup warnings :) |
| 21:11:12 | Dessimat0r | thank god I have a CF ;) |
| 21:11:15 | kergoth | whihc is why we only install a few basic apps |
| 21:11:18 | kergoth | noda: more? argh |
| 21:11:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:11:22 | Dessimat0r | a 256mb one |
| 21:11:22 | NetNut404_work | keroth: well I can't go back to the sharp rom now.. so now that I got the rom mounted there should be some way to copy what I need right? |
| 21:11:23 | xtmdster | Ok, I think I'm starting to understand (amazing, huh?). Patch is complaining that the files its looking for aren't in linux/drivers/usb. Mine are actually in linux-2.4.8-10. I already have a link to that named linux-2.4. Should I rename that link or make a second one? |
| 21:11:35 | kergoth | xtmdster: cd linux-2.4.8-10 |
| 21:11:38 | kergoth | xtmdster: then |
| 21:11:39 | noda | kergoth: Right on top, modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module block-major-3\nCould not determine filesystem type for /dev/hda1 |
| 21:11:42 | kergoth | xtmdster: use -p1 on the patch line, not -p0 |
| 21:11:46 | kergoth | noda: oh yeah |
| 21:11:49 | noda | Same thing with block-major-60 and /dev/mmcda1 |
| 21:11:53 | xtmdster | Ok, thanks. |
| 21:12:02 | kergoth | noda: its cause we enabled the fstab opt to do filesystem checking on cf and sd |
| 21:12:06 | noda | Hey, on the other hand it'll be awfully boring booting up when all those warnings are gone :) |
| 21:12:07 | kergoth | noda: but, on bootup, they arent always inserted |
| 21:12:18 | noda | kergoth: I've got sd inserted... that's /dev/mmcda1. |
| 21:12:22 | kergoth | noda: odd |
| 21:12:27 | kergoth | noda: well, i'll remove that option for now |
| 21:12:28 | noda | It's ext2. |
| 21:12:54 | noda | Wow, this copying to SD is taking forever... |
| 21:13:04 | kergoth | shit |
| 21:13:10 | noda | What? :) |
| 21:13:16 | kergoth | should i put mtdblock6 as the first fstab entry? |
| 21:13:20 | kergoth | i need to make the postinst add it |
| 21:13:24 | kergoth | but how? i cant just >> anymore |
| 21:13:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:13:36 | noda | kergoth: Bah, just rewrite the entire friggin' thing? :P |
| 21:14:00 | kergoth | ew |
| 21:14:01 | noda | have an fstab-noram and fstab-ram? |
| 21:14:06 | kergoth | thats horrible |
| 21:14:06 | noda | Yeah... |
| 21:14:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:14:10 | kergoth | argh |
| 21:14:20 | kergoth | well fuck |
| 21:14:24 | kergoth | noda: can you do me a favor? |
| 21:14:34 | noda | kergoth: Sure, what is it? :) |
| 21:14:34 | kergoth | noda: make mtdblock6 your first fstab entry and make sure nothing falls on its face? |
| 21:14:51 | noda | kergoth: Will do. But I just gotta wait for this copying to finish, it'll only be a couple of minutes. |
| 21:14:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:14:56 | kergoth | thanks |
| 21:14:59 | noda | Done |
| 21:15:12 | noda | kergoth: The VERY first? |
| 21:15:15 | kergoth | yup |
| 21:15:19 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:15:25 | noda | kergoth: Is that possible? To mount something before /? |
| 21:15:25 | kergoth | yes, even before the rootfs |
| 21:15:29 | kergoth | thats why i need to test it |
| 21:15:32 | kergoth | cause i dunno |
| 21:15:33 | noda | rofl |
| 21:15:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:15:48 | noda | Whatever, I've got absolutely everything backed up :) |
| 21:16:57 | noda | kergoth: Works perfectly. |
| 21:17:16 | kergoth | w00t |
| 21:17:17 | kergoth | okay |
| 21:17:24 | kergoth | postinst will put it at the beginning then |
| 21:17:25 | noda | No warnings in dmesg or anything :) |
| 21:17:28 | kergoth | great |
| 21:17:58 | noda | So, do we go through oz-base getting rid of error/warning messages now? :) |
| 21:18:16 | kergoth | first i need to put this postinst change in |
| 21:18:16 | kergoth | but then |
| 21:18:16 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:18:45 | noda | rofl, I dunno who's responsible for this one, but nanoweb only starts up after opie has been killed :P |
| 21:19:13 | kergoth | er |
| 21:19:14 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:19:19 | kergoth | i'll fix that |
| 21:19:22 | kergoth | its a boot order thing |
| 21:19:34 | kergoth | see |
| 21:19:34 | kergoth | the opie startup script |
| 21:19:34 | kergoth | does a *bad* thing |
| 21:19:34 | kergoth | it hangs |
| 21:19:35 | noda | Yeah |
| 21:19:35 | kergoth | it never returns until opie exits |
| 21:19:44 | noda | Should that change? It's not a difficult change, is it? |
| 21:19:44 | kergoth | so anything with a higher S#blah # will not start until after opie |
| 21:19:48 | kergoth | nanoweb must be S99 |
| 21:19:52 | kergoth | its a pain actually |
| 21:20:07 | kergoth | because, if we dont just return, we dont get the niftiness where if you quit opie you get a login prompt |
| 21:20:29 | kergoth | i have a solution |
| 21:20:33 | noda | Yeah, S99 |
| 21:20:36 | kergoth | and that is 1) bootmenu and 2) opie proper vt support |
| 21:20:37 | kergoth | but |
| 21:20:40 | kergoth | it wont make it into this release |
| 21:20:51 | kergoth | okay, i'll fix nanoweb to start S97 or something |
| 21:21:05 | noda | kergoth: I don't understand... if you make opie start in the background, the prompt will simply be there when opie dies, no? |
| 21:21:08 | Onyx4|work | onyx4 ~/oz/buildroot >> make mrproper |
| 21:21:08 | Onyx4|work | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/packages/oz-base' |
| 21:21:08 | Onyx4|work | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `mrproper'. Stop. |
| 21:21:08 | Onyx4|work | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/packages/oz-base' |
| 21:21:08 | Onyx4|work | make: *** [nodeps_packages/oz-base] Error 2 |
| 21:21:11 | Onyx4|work | with latest bk pull |
| 21:21:17 | kergoth | noda: no. they both start on vt1 |
| 21:21:21 | kergoth | noda: they'd overwrite one another |
| 21:21:25 | noda | Ah. |
| 21:21:26 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: i know |
| 21:21:28 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: just wait |
| 21:21:31 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: use clean for now |
| 21:21:32 | Onyx4|work | ok :) |
| 21:22:30 | kergoth | okay guys |
| 21:22:35 | kergoth | busybox is becoming suid root |
| 21:22:43 | kergoth | because without it, su and mount dont work right as a user |
| 21:22:44 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:22:52 | noda | Okay :) |
| 21:23:16 | noda | kergoth: "su" doesn't work right as user? rofl, slight oversight, eh? :P |
| 21:24:19 | kergoth | noda: busybox not being suid means busybox su is running as the user and doesnt have permissions to access the pw database to authenticate you to prompt for the root password |
| 21:24:22 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:24:24 | kergoth | so our choices were |
| 21:24:33 | kergoth | 1) switch back to tinylogin, and make the tinylogin su binary suid |
| 21:24:35 | kergoth | or |
| 21:24:37 | kergoth | 2) suid busybox |
| 21:24:54 | noda | kergoth: I know, but wouldn't it be weird as a busybox developer to write code like that? |
| 21:25:00 | kergoth | huh? |
| 21:25:04 | kergoth | it has nothing to do with busybox code |
| 21:25:13 | noda | Well shouldn't it be a separate binary? |
| 21:25:17 | kergoth | um |
| 21:25:21 | kergoth | busybox *is* by definition one binary |
| 21:25:28 | kergoth | if you want more than one binary you install the original versions |
| 21:25:28 | noda | I mean, if busybox is suid root, that means being a normal user, doing 'rm -rf /' will work... |
| 21:25:32 | noda | Which defeats the purpose. |
| 21:25:36 | kergoth | the whole *point* of busybox is to run as one binary |
| 21:25:37 | kergoth | wrong. |
| 21:25:41 | kergoth | busybox protects.. |
| 21:25:44 | kergoth | it drops permissions |
| 21:25:46 | kergoth | for most binaries |
| 21:25:48 | kergoth | the ones that shouldnt be suid |
| 21:25:50 | noda | Oh, cool :) |
| 21:25:52 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:25:53 | noda | Never mind me then :) |
| 21:25:55 | kergoth | just talked to andersee about it |
| 21:25:57 | kergoth | should work fine |
| 21:26:00 | noda | Great :) |
| 21:26:01 | kergoth | i was concerned at first too |
| 21:26:02 | kergoth | i dont like it |
| 21:26:02 | kergoth | but |
| 21:26:11 | kergoth | i dont want to switch back to util-linux's mount and tinylogin |
| 21:26:13 | kergoth | cause i like busybox |
| 21:26:14 | kergoth | ;) |
| 21:26:19 | noda | busybox is nice :) |
| 21:26:20 | xtmdster | The last four files patched, the first two did not. Any ideas? |
| 21:26:22 | kergoth | we need mount suid too |
| 21:26:28 | kergoth | to be able to mount cf and stuff as a user |
| 21:26:30 | noda | Yep |
| 21:26:33 | kergoth | speaking of which |
| 21:26:36 | kergoth | the mount option |
| 21:26:38 | kergoth | to mount as a user |
| 21:26:41 | kergoth | 'user' or 'users'? |
| 21:26:45 | kergoth | i always forget which |
| 21:26:50 | noda | user |
| 21:26:51 | kergoth | i need to add that to the next oz-base package |
| 21:27:58 | TheMasterMind1 | fix the ssh thing in there too |
| 21:28:03 | kergoth | ssh thing? |
| 21:28:05 | kergoth | ssh works great |
| 21:28:14 | kergoth | oh the compression support? |
| 21:28:18 | noda | yeah |
| 21:28:18 | kergoth | thats in ssh |
| 21:28:18 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 21:28:23 | kergoth | i'm working on oz-base now |
| 21:28:25 | TheMasterMind1 | diable it in the config |
| 21:28:28 | noda | One of those one-line fixes :) |
| 21:28:28 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 21:28:30 | TheMasterMind1 | right |
| 21:28:34 | TheMasterMind1 | rather |
| 21:28:36 | TheMasterMind1 | what i meant was |
| 21:28:41 | TheMasterMind1 | is that fsck.minix thing fixed |
| 21:28:46 | TheMasterMind1 | so its fsck.ext2 |
| 21:28:48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we dont use minix |
| 21:28:53 | TheMasterMind1 | exactly |
| 21:28:57 | TheMasterMind1 | yet it runs fsck.minix |
| 21:29:00 | Onyx4|work | it calls fsck.ext2 on my system |
| 21:29:01 | kergoth | huh? |
| 21:29:07 | noda | I don't suppose anyone here is good at vim regular expressions? (I always forget what to escape...) |
| 21:29:08 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, so its fixed |
| 21:29:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no, yoiu have a mtdram thats still minix |
| 21:29:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if you full reset, it'll create it as ext2 |
| 21:29:16 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:29:24 | noda | Ooh, right, time to recreate my mtdram. |
| 21:29:27 | kergoth | noda: i ahve the same problem. i'm used to perl |
| 21:29:35 | kergoth | noda: so i get escaping wrong in both sed and vim |
| 21:29:53 | noda | There must be some kind of perl version of it... I always forget :) |
| 21:30:07 | noda | I THINK () have to be escaped... and [].... aargh, I have no clue :P |
| 21:30:20 | noda | edits 6 lines and changes around a dozen or so variables by hand. |
| 21:32:30 | prpplague | kergoth: you gonna be online in a couple of hours? |
| 21:33:06 | noda | Ooh, guest... brb |
| 21:44:19 | xtmdster | When patch fails can you edit the files to be patched manually? |
| 21:45:07 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah, i'm heading home shortly. no plans tonight other than OZ. heh |
| 21:46:29 | xtmdster | Error message was "1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file drivers/usb/Makefile.rej" |
| 21:46:48 | Dessimat0r | oooh, hunk, thats something I havent heard for a long time ;) |
| 21:46:50 | Dessimat0r | since the amiga |
| 21:46:51 | kergoth | xtmdster: read Makefile.rej, figure out what it was trying to do, and do it yourself |
| 21:47:10 | hardwire | can I be lewd in here? |
| 21:47:12 | xtmdster | It looks like I just have to add one line. |
| 21:47:22 | hardwire | I get msg'ed to shut up when I am lewd in #zaurus |
| 21:47:24 | xtmdster | Ok, thanks kergoth. |
| 21:47:29 | hardwire | so.. I need somewheer to be lewd |
| 21:47:44 | Dessimat0r | #lewd? |
| 21:48:01 | kergoth | hardwire: be lewd, we dont mind. besides, i'm leaving. i dont give a shit |
| 21:48:01 | xtmdster | I don't mind, hardwire. I can't speak for everyone. |
| 21:48:02 | kergoth | hardwire: :) |
| 21:48:20 | hardwire | heh |
| 21:48:42 | xtmdster | If irc typed the words I was thinking today... hehe. |
| 21:49:08 | hardwire | are you naughty :) |
| 21:49:13 | Dessimat0r | i am |
| 21:49:50 | xtmdster | Nah, I'm just in over my head. |
| 21:52:02 | noda | Gnah... my router just crashed! :( |
| 21:52:07 | noda | decides that he should really upgrade his motherboard to a non-defective one. |
| 21:52:27 | hardwire | to confirm that my boss wants to keep overfeed me to keep me here |
| 21:52:32 | hardwire | he just walked in after an all morning meeting |
| 21:52:33 | hardwire | "You all fat and happy?" |
| 21:52:34 | noda | brb |
| 21:52:38 | hardwire | jej |
| 21:52:39 | hardwire | err |
| 21:52:39 | hardwire | heh |
| 21:58:19 | kergoth`out | IF YOU SHOULD DIE, DIE IN WINTER!@#%21 |
| 21:58:21 | kergoth`out | okay, i'm out |
| 21:58:26 | hardwire | heh |
| 22:06:18 | cerezu | where can I find the ar package to satisy the new version of ipkg on the unstable feed? |
| 22:33:27 | scanline | is away: food |
| 22:42:38 | cerezu | kergoth: finally! :) I finally got it to install on mtdram |
| 22:45:26 | NetNut404 | I am getting a buss error when opie tries to start.. any way I can tell whet's wrong? |
| 22:48:09 | cerezu | shrug |
| 22:48:12 | cerezu | can anyone help? Invalid cross-device link |
| 22:48:23 | cerezu | I am trying to link a dir to my root dir from my /mnt/ram, and I get this: Invalid cross-device link |
| 22:49:15 | DaJoker | cerezu: ln -sf src target |
| 22:49:38 | cerezu | DaJoker: what does -sf do? |
| 22:49:52 | DaJoker | man ln ;) |
| 22:50:26 | cerezu | zaurus doesn't have ln |
| 22:50:47 | cerezu | ... |
| 22:50:48 | cerezu | I mean man |
| 22:51:35 | DaJoker | guess you go better find the TFM to R then |
| 22:51:45 | cerezu | DaJoker: when you rm -rf a link, does it remove the link, and not the dir, right? |
| 22:51:52 | cerezu | TFM to R? |
| 22:51:55 | DaJoker | yes |
| 22:52:51 | DaJoker | I wouldn't get in the habit of using -rf with rm though.. can get you in trouble quick |
| 22:53:04 | cerezu | DaJoker: how do I get the icons to appear on opie as a different tab if it installed to my mtdram? |
| 22:53:38 | cerezu | DaJoker: like what ya mean? accidentally typing * in? :) |
| 22:53:45 | DaJoker | cerezu: yep.. that |
| 22:53:46 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 22:54:14 | cerezu | DaJoker: I've done it before, it hurts :) but how do I get a tab and the icons to appear if I installed to mtdram instead of flash? |
| 22:54:47 | DaJoker | have to link the right .desktop and pic files over |
| 22:55:15 | cerezu | DaJoker: to where? |
| 22:55:57 | DaJoker | hold.. lemme fire up my Z |
| 22:56:17 | cerezu | "/opt/Qtopia/apps/Applications/" ? |
| 22:56:24 | DaJoker | sounds right |
| 22:57:06 | cerezu | the -s creates a symbolic link, and the -f forces it, for ln -sf? |
| 22:57:11 | DaJoker | bingo |
| 22:58:20 | cerezu | hrm, k |
| 22:58:30 | cerezu | where do I get TFM to R? |
| 22:58:41 | | tfm is The Fine Product Documentation |
| 22:58:41 | cerezu | ibot tfm |
| 22:58:47 | | cerezu: i'm not following you... |
| 22:58:47 | cerezu | ibot tfm to r |
| 22:58:54 | | cerezu: excuse me? |
| 22:58:54 | cerezu | ibot tfmtor |
| 22:59:00 | cerezu | no excuse!! |
| 22:59:03 | cerezu | ..hehe |
| 22:59:19 | | RTFM is, like, Read The Fine Product Documentation |
| 22:59:19 | DaJoker | ibot RTFM |
| 22:59:56 | cerezu | umm. .that doesnt help |
| 23:03:07 | cerezu | DaJoker: thanks, got the links working.. |
| 23:03:15 | DaJoker | no problem.. |
| 23:03:51 | cerezu | DaJoker: also, is opie media player work on opie any good? |
| 23:04:17 | DaJoker | got me.. |
| 23:04:24 | DaJoker | I'd imagine it's fine |
| 23:10:39 | cerezu | DaJoker: instead of going through this process each time I install a program to ram, I think I will make a script to link all of the links for me. |
| 23:17:51 | cerezu | DaJoker: if I do "l" > n.txt, and then do "s" > n.txt, will it overwrite the file, or append? |
| 23:20:41 | TheMasterMind1 | cerezu: > = write >> = append |
| 23:21:31 | kergoth | hey |
| 23:21:36 | kergoth | jumps headlong back into the oz situation |
| 23:21:53 | kergoth | only problem is, i cant seem to get ssh'd into my box at work which has my current stuff |
| 23:21:56 | kergoth | hrm |
| 23:22:38 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:22:40 | TheMasterMind1 | uhoh |
| 23:22:41 | cerezu | TheMasterMind1: thanks. |
| 23:23:03 | kergoth | jeeze, digi's network is dog slow |
| 23:23:06 | kergoth | wtf are they doing |
| 23:23:14 | cerezu | hehe.. installing nano on zaurus |
| 23:23:25 | kergoth | nano is nifty |
| 23:23:28 | kergoth | though i never use it anymore |
| 23:23:44 | kergoth | aha, i'm into that box |
| 23:23:48 | kergoth | for some reason, the vtun dropped |
| 23:25:25 | cerezu | kergoth: does OZ come with libncurses5 installed? |
| 23:25:46 | cerezu | kergoth: question is, is the package ncurses the same as libncurses5? or ncurses-base? |
| 23:27:21 | prpplague | yeeeeeee doggiee! are we having fun or what? |
| 23:29:37 | kergoth | cerezu: libncurses5 + ncurses-base ~= 'ncurses' |
| 23:29:52 | kergoth | cerezu: actually, ncurses-term + ncurses-base + libncurses5 = ncurses |
| 23:30:03 | kergoth | cerezu: the old ncurses package had 4.5 megs of unneeded terminfo entries |
| 23:30:09 | kergoth | prpplague: ohhh yeah |
| 23:30:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:31:23 | prpplague | kergoth: i don't know about you, but my job's stress level has been throught the rought for last 3 months |
| 23:31:35 | cerezu | kergoth: so. can i just use the new version of ncurses-base to override ncurses? |
| 23:31:36 | kergoth | prpplague: same. |
| 23:31:40 | kergoth | cerezu: huh? |
| 23:31:45 | cerezu | kergoth: or rather, -force-depends |
| 23:31:45 | kergoth | cerezu: libncurses5 is the actual library. |
| 23:31:49 | kergoth | cerezu: huh? |
| 23:31:58 | kergoth | cerezu: libncurses5 Provides ncurses. it satisfies that dependency. |
| 23:32:00 | cerezu | kergoth: it had said that it will interrupt with ncurses. |
| 23:32:03 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:32:10 | kergoth | has no idea what you're talking about |
| 23:32:12 | prpplague | pours a bottle of chimay into his "5th annual linux expo" stein |
| 23:32:47 | cerezu | kergoth: also, do you know what it means in nano help, M-E to go into pico mode? |
| 23:34:01 | kergoth | cerezu: not offhand, no |