| 00:00:35 | kergoth | np |
| 00:01:12 | chouimat|eat | and I'm watching Catherine Bell's boobs (back in 1hr) |
| 00:01:45 | jmhodges | ??? |
| 00:02:40 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 00:02:46 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:02:58 | tux_mike | is about to fall asleep |
| 00:02:59 | ljp | boobs? did someone mention boobs? |
| 00:04:26 | jmhodges | whats up ? Packages is missing in the new feed :/ |
| 00:05:00 | Onyx4|work | damn I want a poutine !! |
| 00:05:08 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 00:05:17 | jmhodges | babel couldnt get it.. |
| 00:05:18 | kergoth | jmhodges: ? no, i created it. |
| 00:05:32 | jmhodges | looks for his french english dict |
| 00:05:33 | jmhodges | kergoth: ... |
| 00:05:36 | jmhodges | wtf? |
| 00:05:43 | jmhodges | checks his url again |
| 00:05:44 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:05:55 | kergoth | maybe i did it in the wrong dir, but noda was installing apps from it i believe |
| 00:06:06 | jmhodges | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/unstable/20021015_1642 irght? |
| 00:06:11 | kergoth | in feed/ |
| 00:06:12 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:06:30 | jmhodges | im looking in it with mozilla and not seeing it :/ |
| 00:06:57 | kergoth | well, its tehre. |
| 00:07:00 | kergoth | i just confirmed it |
| 00:07:11 | jmhodges | doh i see what you mena\ |
| 00:07:14 | jmhodges | <-- dumbass |
| 00:07:21 | kergoth | no comment |
| 00:07:22 | kergoth | :P |
| 00:07:30 | jmhodges | i swear to god i talk in this chat annd my intelligence drops by 20 points |
| 00:08:30 | DaJoker | that's the cold OH air doing it to ya :) |
| 00:08:48 | DaJoker | lake effect stupidity |
| 00:09:59 | jmhodges | lol |
| 00:10:52 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm the only one who can't flash? |
| 00:11:23 | jmhodges | yep |
| 00:11:39 | jmhodges | im guessing you tried re-d/ling all the files eh? |
| 00:11:49 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 00:11:51 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.9.5.5 works |
| 00:12:04 | Onyx4|work | I remember someone had always problems downloading files from sourceforge.net for a reason, and if he d/l them from me it worked fine |
| 00:12:04 | jmhodges | suck :( |
| 00:12:06 | Onyx4|work | dunno why |
| 00:12:22 | Onyx4|work | TheMasterMind1: why not try to build your own initrd and flash? |
| 00:12:23 | TheMasterMind1 | i downloaded 2.9.5.5 from sf and it worked |
| 00:12:30 | TheMasterMind1 | plus i checked md5 of the prerelease |
| 00:12:37 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 00:12:45 | Onyx4|work | maybe reformat the cf card? |
| 00:12:58 | jmhodges | im assuming this opie-mediaplayer2-skin-default-landscape is for opie-mediaplayer? or is there som ipk that im missing? |
| 00:13:11 | Onyx4|work | but you said that even with OZ 2.9.5.5 it works for a while then screen is blank? |
| 00:13:25 | Onyx4|work | jmhodges: there are some ipk missing not being built for op2 |
| 00:13:28 | TheMasterMind1 | but atleast it flashed |
| 00:13:29 | Onyx4|work | since it requires xine-libs |
| 00:13:39 | jmhodges | Onyx4|work: ah |
| 00:14:05 | Onyx4|work | we'll get to build op2 as part of OZ when xine cvs is repaired |
| 00:14:12 | Onyx4|work | and when we can figure out an easy way of doing it heh |
| 00:20:03 | jmhodges | heh the checking applet needs a way of deleting checkbooks :) |
| 00:21:13 | jmhodges | s/applet/app. |
| 00:21:35 | Onyx4|work | probably an undone feature :) |
| 00:21:44 | Onyx4|work | file a feature bug :) |
| 00:22:21 | Onyx4|work | Dessimat0r: you still there? |
| 00:23:35 | Dessimat0r | yup |
| 00:24:01 | Dessimat0r | how do i convert from windows line breaks to unix line breaks? |
| 00:24:03 | Onyx4|work | ok I will have you try that new package soon |
| 00:24:13 | Onyx4|work | dos2unix |
| 00:24:18 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 00:25:14 | Onyx4|work | apt-get flip ? |
| 00:26:48 | hardwire | E: Invalid operation flip |
| 00:27:00 | Onyx4|work | apt-get install flip |
| 00:27:01 | Dessimat0r | now to make a patchfile of this |
| 00:27:03 | Dessimat0r | hmm |
| 00:27:18 | Dessimat0r | how? lol |
| 00:27:43 | Dessimat0r | i have the original and new language files for mediummount |
| 00:27:56 | Dessimat0r | to fix the spelling errors |
| 00:28:15 | Onyx4|work | diff -urNd pathname/filea pathname/fileb |
| 00:28:20 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 00:28:20 | Dessimat0r | k ;) |
| 00:28:27 | hardwire | just look at the top of any patch file :) |
| 00:28:31 | chouimat | any one know how to add a new .so to the sharprom ? |
| 00:28:32 | hardwire | for instructions |
| 00:29:53 | Dessimat0r | a sample : If a medium gets inserted into this device, Opie will search it for any Documents which reside upon it. On large mediums, this may take some time. You can choose if Opie should scan for Documents globally, or on a per-medium basis. You can also reconfigure each medium individually. |
| 00:30:14 | Dessimat0r | better, eh? ;) |
| 00:32:22 | jmhodges | roar |
| 00:32:27 | hardwire | hmm |
| 00:32:33 | hardwire | has never inserted a medium |
| 00:32:38 | jmhodges | can anyone log in with the new rom as a norm user? |
| 00:33:05 | NetNut404 | how do you set a cf network card to use dhcp? |
| 00:33:11 | Dessimat0r | bloody hell, diff isnt on the Z by default ;) |
| 00:33:16 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 00:33:40 | | Dessimat0r: what? |
| 00:33:40 | Dessimat0r | ibot diff |
| 00:33:47 | Onyx4|work | Dessimat0r: ok try upgrading only libopie from my feed http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ |
| 00:33:53 | Onyx4|work | then reboot and see if apm works now |
| 00:34:02 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 00:34:03 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 00:35:24 | Dessimat0r | is it safe to update libopie from within opie using oipkg |
| 00:35:33 | Onyx4|work | yeah should be ok |
| 00:35:39 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 00:35:49 | Onyx4|work | worse case is it will crash opie, but the install will have worked |
| 00:36:43 | Dessimat0r | upgraded |
| 00:36:46 | Dessimat0r | restarting opie now |
| 00:37:01 | | somebody said oz prerelease was http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 00:37:01 | hvarotto | ibot oz prerelease |
| 00:37:17 | Dessimat0r | perhaps a reboot is in order |
| 00:37:24 | hvarotto | has anybody tried the new prerelease ? |
| 00:37:37 | hvarotto | I'd like to get some input before re-flashing the zaurus |
| 00:37:38 | Onyx4|work | Dessimat0r: yeah I said reboot :) |
| 00:37:43 | Dessimat0r | ah ;) |
| 00:37:50 | DaJoker | hvarotto: no guts no glory |
| 00:38:29 | hvarotto | OK, guess it's time to prove I'm a man, not a mouse :-) |
| 00:38:33 | Dessimat0r | on startup it says running SD services : no file or directory - just noticed it ;) |
| 00:39:02 | ljp | blah |
| 00:39:27 | Dessimat0r | the suspend is still broken |
| 00:39:31 | Dessimat0r | with the new libopie |
| 00:39:45 | Dessimat0r | resumes then suspends right after |
| 00:39:52 | Dessimat0r | a lot of the tim |
| 00:39:53 | Dessimat0r | time |
| 00:40:12 | Onyx4|work | mmmm |
| 00:40:13 | ljp | harlekin has a special xine that compiles with arm. not sure if his arm code is in xine's cvs |
| 00:40:40 | jmhodges | ooo |
| 00:40:50 | Onyx4|work | Dessimat0r: let me revert back to the original opie suspend call now and see , I'll send you a package in a moment |
| 00:40:59 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 00:41:28 | chouimat | wtf? my cat is eating my cheese cake |
| 00:41:37 | hardwire | err |
| 00:41:42 | hardwire | you expect a cat would not? |
| 00:42:12 | chouimat | hardwire: no that it wouldn't reach on the top of the bookshelf |
| 00:42:47 | hardwire | my cat can fly when dairy anything is involved |
| 00:43:02 | ljp | hehe |
| 00:43:11 | ljp | my cat doesnt eat people food |
| 00:43:20 | chouimat | hardwire: mine is about everything that I eat except french fries |
| 00:43:21 | hardwire | jsut pizza |
| 00:43:23 | Dessimat0r | I'm just gonna format my CF to ext2 |
| 00:43:30 | hardwire | chouimat mine too |
| 00:43:34 | hardwire | mig fat tiger belly |
| 00:43:34 | ljp | I have pizza lay all around the house. she doesnt even smell it |
| 00:43:58 | chouimat | ljp: mine like bread crumbs |
| 00:44:17 | ljp | she once started chomping on a hotdog, but then I put more food in her dish |
| 00:44:46 | hardwire | heh |
| 00:44:49 | chouimat | ljp: ok mine would have finish the hotdog before getting in his dishe :) |
| 00:44:52 | ljp | how do I remove a package from debian? |
| 00:45:00 | hardwire | apt-get remove |
| 00:45:01 | chouimat | ljp: rm -rf / |
| 00:45:07 | chouimat | :) |
| 00:45:12 | ljp | hmmm I like hardwires suggestion better |
| 00:45:18 | chouimat | hehehehe |
| 00:45:22 | hardwire | or dpkg --remove |
| 00:45:34 | plastik | try telling 4 ferrets they can't have whatever your eating |
| 00:45:43 | hardwire | plastik: hehehe |
| 00:45:47 | Onyx4|work | Dessimat0r: ok upgrade libopie again from my feed, maybe have to force re-install |
| 00:45:48 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 00:45:49 | hardwire | ferrits are from the devil |
| 00:45:50 | Onyx4|work | since it's the same date |
| 00:46:36 | chouimat | plastik: or try to tell one of the not to bite your cat's balls |
| 00:47:04 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 00:47:05 | plastik | hehehe |
| 00:47:08 | plastik | fear |
| 00:47:31 | chouimat | plastik: never seen a 35lbs cat jump so high |
| 00:47:46 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 00:47:53 | jmhodges | dude! SO not cool |
| 00:48:00 | plastik | hehe |
| 00:48:30 | chouimat | plastik: poor cat |
| 00:51:23 | Dessimat0r | Quit still dosen't work in opie-login ;) |
| 00:51:37 | Dessimat0r | I'm rebooting now, with the new lib-opie |
| 00:52:28 | Dessimat0r | there are still suspend issues |
| 00:52:30 | Dessimat0r | gah... |
| 00:52:31 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 00:55:21 | Dessimat0r | we really need a boot thing to ask whether we want to boot into opie or console |
| 00:55:38 | ljp | boot thing? |
| 00:55:44 | ljp | like a boot menu perhaps |
| 00:55:56 | Dessimat0r | yeah ;) |
| 00:56:03 | Dessimat0r | but maybe just a key you can hold down |
| 01:01:49 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 01:03:22 | nasa | Well, I have been trying the new prerelease -- pretty nice. But a couple of bugs I have noticed. Kergoth around to get the questions/report? |
| 01:04:04 | ljp | asything major? |
| 01:04:21 | Onyx4|work | I'm beginning to think that for some reason it does not call apm -s |
| 01:04:25 | Onyx4|work | like my patch is not working... |
| 01:04:34 | nasa | Well a couple of apps are looking for imagecodecs & textcodes -- which don't seem to exist |
| 01:05:05 | nasa | Also a couple of apps seem to have write permission problems |
| 01:06:20 | nasa | But most of the apps (and I installed a lot) are working very well. |
| 01:06:28 | ljp | user root? |
| 01:06:35 | nasa | yes |
| 01:07:57 | nasa | One app that isn't working is the addressbook. |
| 01:08:40 | nasa | And no java apps are working (and yes I installed jeod, which was made from the jeodcreator) |
| 01:09:53 | Onyx4|work | ibot: message for Dessimat0r: try my libopie again please, I tried one last thing see if it works now |
| 01:10:19 | nasa | Another good note -- tkc that I have work fine |
| 01:10:32 | nasa | s/tkc apps/ tkc |
| 01:11:26 | Onyx4|work | yeah verx tested most of the tkc stuff and that seemed to work fine with OZ |
| 01:11:46 | Onyx4|work | did you set your date? the datebook app I had problems with it when I changed my date |
| 01:12:00 | Onyx4|work | bbl |
| 01:12:05 | nasa | hmm.. No I haven't |
| 01:12:17 | Onyx4|work | ok try to set your date, run datebook |
| 01:13:37 | nasa | datebook works fine -- it's addressbook that won't start |
| 01:14:00 | chouimat | sends zecke DateBook5 manual today, maybe Opie datebook will sucks less one day |
| 01:14:34 | hardwire | damnit |
| 01:14:43 | nasa | addressbook is also looking for imagecodecs... |
| 01:14:45 | hardwire | the compressed cache uses x86 asm based compressors |
| 01:29:47 | chouimat | is bored |
| 01:32:03 | ljp | is hungry |
| 01:32:32 | ljp | tv really sucls |
| 01:32:37 | ljp | sucks even |
| 01:32:52 | kergoth | nasa: the codec messages are harmless |
| 01:32:56 | kergoth | wanders back to the tv |
| 01:33:00 | ljp | ha |
| 01:33:05 | ljp | looser |
| 01:33:10 | ljp | :D |
| 01:33:31 | ljp | get back to work, there kerggy! |
| 01:34:51 | chouimat | finds that tonight sucks |
| 01:35:30 | ljp | hey! I compiling opie on debian.. wooo .. I'm leet! |
| 01:36:21 | ljp | is hungry |
| 01:36:45 | ljp | wishes xine cvs would compile again |
| 01:39:21 | nasa | kergoth: it's dbz time, bb in 20 |
| 01:42:27 | ljp | reverts back to a compiling xine |
| 01:45:10 | chouimat | hmm I need a good books database systems |
| 01:55:14 | hardwire | comp_cache.c: In function `__decompress_page': |
| 01:55:14 | hardwire | comp_cache.c:553: unknown register name `%eax' in `asm' |
| 01:55:16 | hardwire | :( |
| 01:55:19 | hardwire | nooo |
| 01:55:21 | hardwire | dies |
| 01:57:04 | nasa | kergoth: are you still there? |
| 01:58:07 | ljp | he's watching boot toob |
| 01:58:14 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:58:26 | nasa | lol |
| 01:58:29 | kergoth | man, sitcoms piss me off |
| 01:58:32 | kergoth | anyway |
| 01:58:37 | kergoth | im not still here, but i'm here again |
| 01:58:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:59:13 | hardwire | gets pissy |
| 01:59:23 | hardwire | anybody know asm? |
| 01:59:24 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:59:49 | nasa | Cool: More bug reports for you. Addressbook fails to start. I noted your message about codes not mattering, so the error message about 'undefined symbol: fields__80contract' must be importnat |
| 02:00:05 | kergoth | sounds like the pim merges caused a problem |
| 02:00:09 | kergoth | i'll backrev addressbook |
| 02:00:29 | nasa | ok |
| 02:00:54 | ljp | nop |
| 02:00:58 | kergoth | anything else? |
| 02:01:01 | ljp | jne |
| 02:01:23 | nasa | zlines still has the problem I reported to you yesterday |
| 02:01:32 | kergoth | the gunzip failure |
| 02:01:33 | kergoth | right? |
| 02:01:35 | kergoth | is your sd behaving? |
| 02:01:36 | nasa | yeah |
| 02:01:44 | nasa | Better than ever |
| 02:01:47 | kergoth | great |
| 02:02:19 | kergoth | okay i'm reverting addressbook now. then i need to make a change to the oz-base postinst to ensure the upgrade process is smooth.. then i await further bug reports. if i dont get any i'll release it. |
| 02:02:31 | nasa | oh, last problem I have noticed. Java apps don't work (and yes I used the jeod from jeodcreater) |
| 02:04:17 | kergoth | someone verified that jeode works, i suspect theres a flaw in jeodcreator |
| 02:04:20 | kergoth | i'll take a look |
| 02:04:35 | kergoth | (the person that verified it works had extracted it manually) |
| 02:05:03 | nasa | ok, overall this prerelease feels much more stable and responds much faster than previous releases |
| 02:06:15 | nasa | And I haven't seen ANY 'D' processes! |
| 02:06:18 | ljp | no probs with devices? |
| 02:06:19 | kergoth | congrats |
| 02:06:24 | kergoth | shit |
| 02:06:33 | kergoth | who was it in here that reported a card that needs adding to pcmcia/config? |
| 02:06:39 | kergoth | i need to get it in before the release |
| 02:07:31 | noda | Moo! |
| 02:07:47 | kergoth | hey noda. |
| 02:07:49 | noda | somehow got KDE in his .xinitrc and so is trying it out :) |
| 02:08:19 | ljp | moew |
| 02:08:22 | noda | Aargh, no quick key to open an xterm... |
| 02:08:27 | ljp | errmm meow |
| 02:10:00 | noda | Now why on EARTH would they not put in a "start xterm" shortcut? |
| 02:10:06 | noda | Or even "start konsole" |
| 02:10:26 | ljp | where? |
| 02:10:27 | noda | presses Meta-x Meta-x Meta-x and only types "xxx" into xchat. |
| 02:10:31 | noda | KDE |
| 02:10:43 | noda | I need keyboard shortcuts! |
| 02:11:09 | noda | types Meta-P and Phoenix *doesn't* pop up. |
| 02:13:45 | noda | So, anyone here use KDE? |
| 02:14:52 | nasa | damn it, spoke to soon..... |
| 02:15:33 | noda | Bah. Back to blackbox :) |
| 02:16:12 | | oz prerelease is probably http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 02:16:12 | ljp | ibot oz prerelease |
| 02:16:19 | nasa | since I spoke, seen two instances of 'D' processess.... (Stills feels much more stable then before) |
| 02:16:30 | noda | Ahhhhh, much better :) |
| 02:21:23 | nasa | kergoth: appearance also failes -- "appearance: error while loading shared libraries: appearance: undefined symbol: __13OFontSelectorbP7QWidgetPCcUi |
| 02:21:31 | chouimat | noda: blackbox sucks :) |
| 02:21:43 | kergoth | nasa: this is with the latest image? |
| 02:21:51 | noda | chouimat: lol, it's given me less hassle and less wasted time than KDE :P |
| 02:21:51 | nasa | Yes |
| 02:21:56 | kergoth | cause that error looks like a wrong libopie version |
| 02:21:58 | chouimat | listens to some Old Man's Child |
| 02:22:00 | kergoth | maybe its something fucked in my tree |
| 02:22:02 | kergoth | wipes the opie dir |
| 02:22:07 | chouimat | noda: I use KDE |
| 02:22:23 | noda | chouimat: blackbox, for me, wastes less time. |
| 02:22:37 | noda | Who can stand going and CLICKING somewhere to start an xterm? Or typing in a command? |
| 02:22:50 | kergoth | has been in console only for a few days now, and doesnt miss much |
| 02:23:14 | ljp | hmpft |
| 02:23:17 | chouimat | has always six console open |
| 02:23:18 | noda | Yeah, neither would I. Graphical browsing maybe. |
| 02:23:42 | kergoth | noda: w3m can display images on the web in a FB. its trippy |
| 02:23:51 | noda | kergoth: Ooh, sweet :) |
| 02:24:47 | kergoth | hugs ccache |
| 02:25:04 | kergoth | man, console on FB is slow compared to text mode |
| 02:25:07 | kergoth | ah well |
| 02:25:29 | noda | Heh, can't be all that slow. |
| 02:25:32 | noda | Is it anti-aliased? |
| 02:25:33 | kergoth | its noticable |
| 02:25:36 | kergoth | like |
| 02:25:39 | kergoth | when i'm buliding a kernel |
| 02:25:42 | kergoth | it scrolls by slower |
| 02:25:44 | chouimat | hugs his new soundcard. Old Man's Child sound great in 5.1 |
| 02:27:50 | hardwire | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 02:27:50 | hardwire | $m=q\$g=59;$s=23;@v=($",$",'.',';','x','X','M');$t=[map{[(s |
| 02:27:50 | hardwire | plit('',$_))[0..$g]]}reverse+split($/,$m)];sub'i{($b)=@_;$b |
| 02:27:51 | hardwire | ->[0]=[(0 )x($g+1) ];for(@{$b->[ 0]}){$_=$ |
| 02:27:51 | hardwire | #v*(int(r and(7)) <3);}for(1. .($s)){@{ |
| 02:27:51 | hardwire | $b}[$_]=[ (0)x( $g+1)]; }}sub'p{( $b)=@_;sy |
| 02:27:53 | hardwire | stem($^O= ~/MSW in32/?' cls':'c lear');$s |
| 02:27:55 | hardwire | tr='';for $r(reve rse(0 ..$s)){fo |
| 02:27:57 | hardwire | r$c(0..$g ){$str.=( $t ->[ $r ][$c]eq$" |
| 02:27:59 | hardwire | ?$":@v[in t$b->[$r][$c]]); }$s tr. =$/;}prin |
| 02:28:01 | hardwire | t$str;}su b'f{($x)=@_;$b=[ ];i($b);for$r (1..($s-1 |
| 02:28:03 | hardwire | )){for$c( 1..($g-1)){if(in t(rand(2))){$ v=0;for$r |
| 02:28:05 | hardwire | i(-1..1){ for$ci(-1..1){$v +=$x->[$r+$ri ][$c+$ci] |
| 02:28:07 | hardwire | ;}}$b->[$r][$c]=$v/9;}else{$b->[$r][$c]=$x->[$r-1][$c];}}}r |
| 02:28:09 | hardwire | eturn $b;}$z=[];i($z);p($z);while(1){$z=f($z);p($z);}\;$m.= |
| 02:28:11 | hardwire | "$/$/$/$/$/$/1;$/$/$/$/$/$/$/";;s//$m/;s/$"//g;s|$/||g;eval |
| 02:28:18 | kergoth | PM? |
| 02:28:23 | hardwire | run it |
| 02:28:41 | kergoth | mutters about having to strip out < hardwire> out of each line |
| 02:28:48 | noda | rofl |
| 02:28:53 | noda | That's awesome :) |
| 02:28:53 | hardwire | search and replace |
| 02:28:54 | hardwire | heh |
| 02:29:06 | noda | Bah, use vim's "visual" mode. |
| 02:29:27 | noda | Ctrl-VG11lx:x |
| 02:29:33 | ljp | akk |
| 02:29:34 | noda | loves vim. |
| 02:31:01 | chouimat | noda: I prefer my EPM clone :) |
| 02:31:19 | noda | chouimat: Bow down before the true power in the universe! |
| 02:31:25 | noda | (And its big brother, gvim!) |
| 02:31:40 | chouimat | noda: ok I will install kvim |
| 02:31:50 | noda | didn't get kvim working properly. |
| 02:32:14 | noda | I followed the instructions to the letter and it'd open up in a separate window with a weird font. So I figured, "Oh well, blackbox makes me do stuff faster anyway" |
| 02:32:50 | chouimat | :) |
| 02:33:12 | chouimat | I have the qt version of xemacs somewhere |
| 02:38:51 | kergoth | yawns |
| 02:38:55 | kergoth | god |
| 02:38:59 | kergoth | trolltech's site is slow |
| 02:39:02 | kergoth | really slow |
| 02:39:08 | kergoth | chouimat: switching to that beta2 finally |
| 02:39:12 | kergoth | chants no more qt snapshots |
| 02:39:30 | chouimat | kergoth: k did you update bkbits? |
| 02:39:53 | kergoth | chouimat: pretty sure its up to date. couple minor things to push, but thats it |
| 02:40:02 | kergoth | didnt push qt change yet |
| 02:40:06 | kergoth | verifying the build works first |
| 02:40:10 | chouimat | k |
| 02:40:18 | hardwire | gets his gas back |
| 02:40:24 | kergoth | hardwire: i dont wanna know |
| 02:40:55 | chouimat | go to the mystical city of Khatlhitther |
| 02:41:01 | chouimat | brb |
| 02:41:23 | DaJoker | wow.. pyqt apps are pretty snappy on the Z |
| 02:42:00 | hardwire | snappy eh?! |
| 02:42:17 | kergoth | snaps |
| 02:43:55 | chouimat | wonders how his cat knows that he was cleaning the litter. the cat was sleeping on the speaker and the music is very loud |
| 02:45:37 | kergoth | waits for qt to compile again |
| 02:46:09 | | kalldrexx was last seen on #openzaurus 1 days, 7 hours, 28 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: dunno why [Mon Oct 14 13:18:06 2002] |
| 02:46:09 | chouimat | ibot: seen kalldrexx |
| 02:47:58 | chouimat | kergoth: my cat is amazing he really likes all my CDs when my sister was listening to her music this weekend he attacked her :) |
| 02:48:11 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:48:52 | chouimat | kergoth: he's sleeping on the speaker while I listen to Arch Enemy |
| 02:50:24 | chouimat | kergoth: push a static uic this time :) |
| 02:53:27 | nasa | kergoth: you know anything about a file 'installdir.sh'? |
| 02:56:12 | chouimat|B5 | brb |
| 02:57:40 | chouimat|B5 | wants 404sucks.com for domain name |
| 02:58:25 | nasa | ok, done for the night -- later |
| 03:05:59 | ljp | hmm sd isnt automounting |
| 03:07:59 | ljp | or mounting at all |
| 03:09:27 | chouimat|B5 | kergoth`zzz: good night |
| 03:17:28 | victorvdl | Hey, how do I get a cf card to mount as ext2? |
| 03:18:54 | victorvdl | I formated it as ext2, but OZ seems to automatically either remount or reformat it as fat after an eject and reinsertion. |
| 03:21:21 | victorvdl | Do I need to modify /etc/fstab, or fdisk the CF, or what? |
| 03:25:32 | chouimat|B5 | victorvdl: did you put the partition as type 83? |
| 03:27:25 | victorvdl | chouimat|B5: No. Would that help? |
| 03:27:32 | chouimat|B5 | victorvdl: yes |
| 03:28:01 | victorvdl | chouimat|B5: Thanx. |
| 03:28:21 | chouimat|B5 | victorvdl: np |
| 03:36:42 | NetNut404 | hmmm how do I set my wireless lan card to get it's ip via dhcp ? |
| 03:54:11 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 03:59:38 | scanline | is back (gone 10:17:40) |
| 04:42:06 | hardwire | hi |
| 04:42:23 | Onyx4 | kergoth`zzz: you still there? |
| 04:42:57 | hardwire | I am here! |
| 04:43:02 | hardwire | :) |
| 04:43:06 | Onyx4 | ibot: message for kergoth: the apm still has problem suspending/resuming, try it with a CF ide card it looks like the problem is back |
| 05:11:54 | jmh|sleep | anyone else having problems with the time not being "held" when one changes it? |
| 05:11:59 | hardwire | squeeks off |
| 05:12:00 | hardwire | naked.. and happy! |
| 05:12:27 | Onyx4 | jhm |
| 05:12:29 | jmh|sleep | lol |
| 05:12:34 | Onyx4 | you have this problem with the prerelease? |
| 05:12:37 | jmh|sleep | yeppers |
| 05:12:49 | Onyx4 | hehe glad you're seeing it, don't know why kergoth can't reproduce it |
| 05:12:53 | Onyx4 | my Z has the same problem |
| 05:13:03 | jmh|sleep | fucking a :) |
| 05:13:10 | hardwire | fucking a |
| 05:13:12 | hardwire | heh |
| 05:13:17 | hardwire | bedtime |
| 05:13:34 | Onyx4 | upgrading opie-base takes forever |
| 05:14:04 | jmh|sleep | its not that it doesnt STOP keeping time on suspends and what not its just when i CHANGE the time that it reverts back to the original right? hrm.. now that im looking at my z im thinking that is not a correct statement |
| 05:14:56 | Onyx4 | it's something related around atd |
| 05:15:03 | jmh|sleep | indeed |
| 05:17:09 | Onyx4 | jffs2 behaves real weird when it's upgrading stuff |
| 05:17:24 | Onyx4 | upgrading opie-base takes like 15 minutes |
| 05:17:35 | Onyx4 | I wonder what it's sitting on |
| 05:18:02 | jmh|sleep | hehe |
| 05:34:06 | NetNut404_remote | so how do you get a wiress lan cards ip to be set via dhcp ? |
| 05:34:33 | Onyx4 | it's like that by default |
| 05:34:38 | Onyx4 | go into network settings |
| 05:34:45 | Onyx4 | say add lan tcp/ip |
| 05:34:57 | Onyx4 | select "obtain an adress atuomatically" |
| 05:36:11 | NetNut404_remote | will try that |
| 05:36:35 | Onyx4 | make sure other fields are empty |
| 05:36:40 | Onyx4 | if you did put a staic ip before |
| 05:42:11 | jmh|sleep | whoooo glibc update |
| 05:42:17 | jmh|sleep | hooha |
| 05:42:41 | Onyx4 | on debian sid? |
| 05:43:07 | jmh|sleep | pbbt no :) lunar |
| 06:02:35 | Onyx4 | ha I found that if I call "sync" then my opie-base ipkg upgrade unhangs |
| 06:02:37 | Onyx4 | so weird |
| 06:02:43 | Onyx4 | maybe jffs2 should be setup to use sync by default |
| 06:02:59 | Onyx4 | we don't do lots of writes anyway to the ROM in general except when upgrading |
| 06:21:40 | | mark: sorry... |
| 06:21:40 | mark | ibot: prerelease |
| 06:21:45 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 06:21:45 | mark | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 06:38:38 | Onyx4 | ibot: message for kergoth: ok I tested a full upgrade from oz 2.9.5.5 and there are 4 minor issues, I'll talk about it when I wake up |
| 07:16:52 | | rumour has it oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi (scanline's server, not a person :) |
| 07:16:52 | killefiz_ | ibot: oz snapshot |
| 07:18:02 | | hmmm... jffs2 is at http://sources.redhat.com/jffs2/ or alien technology from that ufo crash in New Mexico in the 1940's |
| 07:18:02 | paq | ibot: jffs2 |
| 07:18:03 | | JFFS is the Journaling Flash File System developed by Axis Communications in Sweden, aimed at providing a crash/powerdown-safe filesystem for disk-less embedded devices. |
| 07:18:03 | paq | ibot: jffs |
| 07:21:00 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 07:21:00 | AndyQ | ibot oz prerelease |
| 08:09:19 | Dessimat0r | lo |
| 08:11:16 | Dessimat0r | trying that new libopie now ;) |
| 08:11:55 | | oz prerelease is, like, http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 08:11:55 | Dessimat0r | ibot oz prerelease |
| 08:34:21 | kolla | for what it's worth.. I cannot get dialup over IR to work |
| 08:39:33 | endr | Dessimat0r: is that prerelease more stable than the 20021011 one? |
| 08:47:29 | Dessimat0r | Yeah, the other one kept freezing up |
| 08:48:42 | kolla | the current prerelease seems almost good :) |
| 09:37:56 | | it has been said that oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 09:37:56 | AndyQ_ | ibot oz prerelease |
| 11:03:23 | Dessimat0r | is the FTP server not working on the new unstable? |
| 11:03:51 | Dessimat0r | hmm, there is no loopback |
| 11:24:18 | Mickey|away | is leaving for a while... |
| 11:32:31 | kollaZ | hm... |
| 11:35:33 | kollaZ | isnt konq in OZ prerelease yet? |
| 12:13:22 | agupta | kergoth`zzz you around? |
| 12:13:25 | agupta | onyx4? |
| 12:13:27 | agupta | anyone? |
| 12:13:34 | | agupta: excuse me? |
| 12:13:34 | agupta | ibot prerelease |
| 12:13:41 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 12:13:41 | agupta | ibot oz prerelease |
| 12:15:56 | agupta | ibot message for kergoth: you probably fixed this stuff, but 1) sd doesn't seem to mount properly (it mounts as vfat) and 2) when my cf is in the Z, opie wont start. if i put it in when opie is started, it hangs. also, i finally got my thing flashed, for some reason it took like 10 mins to flash |
| 12:16:02 | agupta | exit |
| 12:38:23 | jmhodges | i think im gonna roll back to the next to last prerelease :/ |
| 12:39:15 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 12:39:15 | hvarotto | ibot oz prerelease |
| 12:39:47 | AndyQ|work | jmhodges: why - is it not stable? (only ask coz I'm considering the latest prerelease) |
| 12:40:09 | jmhodges | AndyQ|work: me and Onyx4 are having atd problesm (not keeping time correctly) |
| 12:40:53 | jmhodges | im thinking about changing my feed though and grabbing that atd |
| 12:41:29 | jmhodges | maybe thatll help |
| 12:41:29 | AndyQ|work | jmhodges: any other issues with it (not really concerned too much about time :) |
| 12:41:44 | jmhodges | AndyQ|work: nope :-D so far it works beautifully |
| 12:42:00 | jmhodges | wonder how much damame removing atd will cause:/ |
| 12:42:26 | AndyQ|work | jmhodges: excellent, wil flash tonight - would do it now but forgot charger this morning |
| 12:43:07 | jmhodges | hehe suck |
| 12:43:54 | AndyQ|work | yeah - brought flashreader and everything else - could risk it but my Z has already gone back to Sharp once for repair and that took 'kin 5 weeks! |
| 12:44:08 | jmhodges | sweeeet |
| 12:44:15 | jmhodges | hehe :P |
| 12:44:27 | AndyQ|work | nah - SharpServ suck! |
| 12:44:46 | ciaolinux | does the handwriting work in the new oz prerelease? |
| 12:44:52 | jmhodges | fsck |
| 12:45:06 | jmhodges | cant find another atd ipk |
| 12:45:16 | jmhodges | ciaolinux: it worked in the last one too ya know :) but yest |
| 12:45:28 | jmhodges | ciaolinux: and this time you dont have to install classicset to make it work |
| 12:45:43 | AndyQ|work | what about the one in http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/unstable/feed ? |
| 12:45:48 | ciaolinux | jmhodges: i have tried the oct 11 version... and didn't work |
| 12:45:57 | ciaolinux | jmhodges: which one are you using? |
| 12:46:15 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 12:46:15 | ciaolinux | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 12:46:38 | ciaolinux | jmhodges: are you a developer? |
| 12:46:40 | jmhodges | i am using the latest one know but i did you the next earliest and it worked fine as long as you installed the opie-handwriting-classicset ipk : |
| 12:46:44 | jmhodges | ciaolinux: hell no |
| 12:46:55 | jmhodges | :) |
| 12:47:12 | ciaolinux | jmhodges: where are you from? ;-) |
| 12:47:30 | DaJoker | he's from the land of lake effect snow |
| 12:47:31 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 12:47:34 | jmhodges | lol |
| 12:47:38 | jmhodges | thats a little broad |
| 12:47:43 | DaJoker | exactly :) |
| 12:47:45 | jmhodges | cause i lived in mich too ya know |
| 12:47:47 | jmhodges | :-D |
| 12:47:56 | jmhodges | hehe DaJoker |
| 12:48:01 | ciaolinux | jmhodges: how about the todo software? does it work to you ? |
| 12:48:02 | jmhodges | s/hehe/lol/ |
| 12:48:09 | jmhodges | ciaolinux: yep :) |
| 12:48:19 | ciaolinux | jmhodges: i am having problems in visualizing the details |
| 12:48:28 | ciaolinux | jmhodges: or better it doesn't show it at all |
| 12:48:38 | jmhodges | ciaolinux: ah you got a borked version |
| 12:48:51 | ciaolinux | jmhodges: well ok.. I will try with the new one! |
| 12:48:54 | jmhodges | ciaolinux: in the last feed there was an older version you could have rolled back to :) |
| 12:49:07 | jmhodges | ciaolinux: but this one works now in the ROM :-D |
| 12:49:16 | ciaolinux | jmhodges: how about the cf card: i get a strange problem... if i eject it, it wouldn't unmount, unless i do it manually |
| 12:49:27 | ciaolinux | jmhodges: great. |
| 12:50:03 | ciaolinux | jmhodges: (stupid question ON) is there any way to upgrade the rom that allows me not to start over again? |
| 12:50:24 | DaJoker | ciaolinux: yes, use the feed |
| 12:50:32 | ciaolinux | DaJoker: what do you mean? |
| 12:50:38 | jmhodges | ciaolinux: yah just change /etc/ipkg.conf or use the GUI |
| 12:50:48 | jmhodges | ciaolinux: to change the url that it grabs packages from |
| 12:50:54 | ciaolinux | jmhodges: DaJoker: is there any faq, or anything like that |
| 12:51:05 | jmhodges | ciaolinux: here lemme toss you what to do |
| 12:51:20 | ciaolinux | jmhodges: tx |
| 12:51:26 | jmhodges | ciaolinux: open up the package manager |
| 12:51:35 | jmhodges | go to Settings -> Servers |
| 12:51:44 | jmhodges | click on oz3 |
| 12:52:00 | ciaolinux | ok |
| 12:52:09 | jmhodges | and in that BOTTOM line (fortunately called URL) change the url to this |
| 12:52:10 | jmhodges | one sec |
| 12:52:28 | jmhodges | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/unstable/20021015_1642/feed |
| 12:52:31 | jmhodges | NOTE: |
| 12:52:37 | jmhodges | do NOT put down that final / |
| 12:52:45 | jmhodges | leave it ending in 'feed' |
| 12:52:55 | jmhodges | that / will toss ipkg for a loop |
| 12:53:00 | jmhodges | i do not know why :/ |
| 12:53:05 | jmhodges | well i do know why |
| 12:53:11 | jmhodges | i just dont know why they dont change it |
| 12:53:32 | jmhodges | roar! stupid openssh |
| 12:53:35 | jmhodges | d/l already! |
| 12:53:49 | ciaolinux | :-) |
| 12:54:18 | ciaolinux | that't is? unfortunatelly I can't try now because i left my z at home! :-) but thanks a lot anyway |
| 12:54:33 | jmhodges | new version of highly popular software + src based distro = waiting times for jm |
| 12:54:36 | jmhodges | ciaolinux: yep! thats it |
| 12:54:44 | jmhodges | ciaolinux: of course just do an update but.. :-D |
| 12:55:18 | AndyQ|work | jmhodges: dont ya just love src based updates? |
| 12:55:29 | jmhodges | AndyQ|work: hehe yep :-D |
| 12:56:05 | jmhodges | i like mine esp. cause i use cvs to keep track of what needs to be updated (ah the joys of being a dev guy) |
| 12:56:08 | jmhodges | ;) |
| 12:57:02 | jmh|class | im sooo going to be late |
| 12:58:39 | scanline | is away: food + homework |
| 12:59:27 | jmh|class | scanline: you amaze me, i can only do one of those at a time ;) |
| 13:10:40 | ljp- | ummm anyone able to mount /mnt/card in the new prerelease? |
| 14:04:58 | JasonNJ | sup dudes |
| 14:06:18 | ljp_work | sd doesnt mount here |
| 14:06:26 | tux_mike | lo jason |
| 14:06:40 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/fluidity_freetype.png |
| 14:06:48 | scanline | fun with fonts :) |
| 14:07:07 | tux_mike | scanline. not bad |
| 14:07:27 | tux_mike | how much overhead? |
| 14:07:35 | scanline | There's still a bug in the bitmap font code, making the terminal characters spaced out too much |
| 14:07:58 | tux_mike | one of the first things i noticed, but i sruged it off as being unicode :) |
| 14:08:02 | scanline | tux_mike: about 1MB on disk for the fonts, haven't measured how much memory. No noticeable speed drop |
| 14:08:31 | scanline | The fonts could be slimmed down, but that's with a pretty good assortment |
| 14:08:38 | ljp_work | those fonts are too cleanlooking for linux |
| 14:08:48 | ljp_work | where's the jaggy edges? |
| 14:08:56 | scanline | It's my own little blend of fonts from openoffice, ghostscript, and X11 :) |
| 14:09:04 | ljp_work | nice |
| 14:09:24 | tux_mike | ljp: and the uneven rendering |
| 14:09:29 | ljp_work | you have picogui in a public cvs? |
| 14:09:31 | scanline | There are still seveal rather nasty bugs in it right now, but it's improving fast |
| 14:09:34 | tux_mike | scanline: how does your desktop look with those fonts? |
| 14:09:38 | scanline | ljp_work: yep |
| 14:09:52 | scanline | My desktop has your usual crappy X fonts :) |
| 14:10:01 | scanline | I gave up on making X look nice long ago |
| 14:10:24 | tux_mike | ah |
| 14:10:34 | tux_mike | kde does a reasonable job |
| 14:10:38 | tux_mike | but it still bites |
| 14:11:10 | scanline | Also, I haven't done any LCD-specific optimization to these fonts... I noticed freetype can do LCD rendering in either horizontal or vertical |
| 14:11:34 | scanline | so on the zaurus or ipaq, in portrait mode you could still have a slight improvement in text quality, and in landscape mode you should be able to get awesome rendering |
| 14:12:19 | ljp_work | hmmm picogui on the vercel... ;) |
| 14:12:38 | scanline | It's 320x240 true color right? |
| 14:12:49 | tux_mike | i thought 16-bit. |
| 14:12:53 | scanline | ok |
| 14:12:53 | jmhodges | hrm.. anyone else feel the need for more Greek letters? |
| 14:12:55 | scanline | close enough |
| 14:13:24 | scanline | has a free TrueType font with latin, greek, and cyrillic in Unicode.. only about 50k |
| 14:13:27 | jmhodges | scanline: nice |
| 14:13:33 | jmhodges | scanline: ooo? |
| 14:13:44 | scanline | http://bibliofile.mc.duke.edu/gww/fonts/Caliban/index.html |
| 14:13:54 | tux_mike | http://www.news.scotsman.com/education.cfm?id=1129532002 god i hate peta |
| 14:14:07 | jmhodges | scanline: thats one you made? |
| 14:14:10 | scanline | no |
| 14:14:29 | tux_mike | i need some good unicode fonts with japanese characters in them |
| 14:14:33 | scanline | jmhodges: but it's freely distributable under a license that looks to be GPL-compatible |
| 14:14:47 | scanline | I haven't looked for a cjk unicode font yet |
| 14:14:56 | jmhodges | scanline: cool :) |
| 14:14:58 | jmhodges | cjk ? |
| 14:15:02 | scanline | there's the GNU Unifont of course, but it's not scalable |
| 14:15:08 | jmhodges | dunno much about fonts :/ |
| 14:15:09 | scanline | chinese/japanese/korean |
| 14:15:13 | jmhodges | scanline: aaaah |
| 14:16:15 | kergoth`zzz | morning guys |
| 14:16:26 | tux_mike | hrm.. |
| 14:16:27 | jmhodges | morning kergoth |
| 14:16:27 | tux_mike | hey kerg |
| 14:16:28 | scanline | hi kergoth |
| 14:16:31 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 14:16:31 | tux_mike | i was just thinking |
| 14:16:36 | jmhodges | tux_mike: ? |
| 14:16:42 | tux_mike | you know how PETA does all those protests |
| 14:17:17 | tux_mike | we, the meat eaters of the world, should do our own protest. a steak and cheese picnic outside of the PETA headquarters :) |
| 14:18:20 | jmhodges | heh |
| 14:18:37 | kergoth | tux_mike: i like it. |
| 14:18:37 | JasonNJ | any known issues with the new OZ prerelease? |
| 14:18:54 | tux_mike | do they even have a world headquarters? |
| 14:18:56 | kergoth | JasonNJ: few minor ones. couple sd issues that are fixed now |
| 14:19:10 | JasonNJ | kergoth: so I should ipkg upgrade some stuff? |
| 14:19:14 | JasonNJ | I'm flashing it now |
| 14:19:24 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yeah. i'll upload the feed with the fixed ipks in a few |
| 14:19:42 | tux_mike | kerg: where is the data on the files in an ipkg that has already been installed kept? i need to get neocal off my Z. |
| 14:20:00 | jmhodges | kergoth: psst.. youve got confirmation on the atd problem Onyx4 was having (from me unfortunately) |
| 14:20:08 | kergoth | tux_mike: /usr/lib/ipkg/info/ |
| 14:20:16 | kergoth | jmhodges: datetime hangs on OK? |
| 14:20:28 | kergoth | tux_mike: or rather, /usr/lib/ipkg/status for status information |
| 14:20:31 | jmhodges | kergoth: nope |
| 14:20:41 | kergoth | jmhodges: then whats the behavior? |
| 14:20:43 | jmhodges | kergoth: with me, the original time it had stays |
| 14:20:50 | kergoth | jmhodges: is atd running? |
| 14:20:55 | jmhodges | kergoth: but if i change it, it reverts back |
| 14:20:56 | jmhodges | well .. |
| 14:21:01 | kergoth | jmhodges: is the trigger file in place? |
| 14:21:05 | jmhodges | lemme check |
| 14:21:15 | JasonNJ | openzaurus initial boot process is agonizing |
| 14:21:18 | numatrix | is back (gone 17:13:47) |
| 14:21:28 | numatrix | JasonNJ: yeah, to save myself the heartache, I just walkaway and come back later. |
| 14:21:29 | ljp_work | kergoth: my sd wont mount. is there an update from the prerelease initrd.bin? |
| 14:21:33 | kergoth | JasonNJ: not much we can do about it, unless you dont want to generate ssh keys :) |
| 14:21:38 | kergoth | ljp_work: yes. its fixed. |
| 14:21:44 | kergoth | ljp_work: buildign an image to test with now |
| 14:21:46 | ljp_work | which package? |
| 14:21:48 | jmhodges | kergoth: its running |
| 14:21:50 | numatrix | kergoth: Sweet, you found the problem with it? |
| 14:22:03 | kergoth | ljp_work: the sd_slotstat device wasnt in the devices tarball in oz-base |
| 14:22:08 | JasonNJ | kergoth: I'll work on getting a processor with an FPU |
| 14:22:11 | kergoth | ljp_work: so it'd work the first time you booted, and never again after a reboot |
| 14:22:12 | ljp_work | heh |
| 14:22:14 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 14:22:15 | kergoth | ljp_work: :) |
| 14:22:18 | numatrix | kergoth: Hot dang, I actually guessed that at one point... |
| 14:22:26 | jmhodges | # ps -ax | grep atd |
| 14:22:26 | jmhodges | 381 root 1324 S /usr/sbin/atd /var/spool/at |
| 14:22:27 | kergoth | ljp_work: manually run /usr/lib/ipkg/info/sdmmc.postinst configure; to have it work until your next reboot :) |
| 14:22:38 | ljp_work | heh ok |
| 14:22:44 | JasonNJ | how new is the opie on this? |
| 14:22:54 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:22:55 | kergoth | JasonNJ: built yesterday. |
| 14:22:56 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 14:23:18 | numatrix | kergoth: I forgot to mention that to you when we were investigating that; I had looked in the strings for sdmgr and saw that it was trying to use sd_slotstat device and asked in the channel about it. |
| 14:23:35 | numatrix | kergoth: Sorry, could have saved you some time if I would have mentioned it again. |
| 14:23:44 | kergoth | numatrix: not a big deal, i shouldve seen it the first time. |
| 14:23:49 | kergoth | its fixed now regardless. |
| 14:24:15 | numatrix | Excellent. Are there any other outstanding issues? |
| 14:24:25 | kergoth | numatrix: supposedly ide suspend/resume issue is back |
| 14:24:35 | numatrix | Lovely. |
| 14:24:42 | kergoth | can anyone in here reproduce it? |
| 14:24:51 | kergoth | because i only have a 64mb card which never sees the issue |
| 14:25:08 | numatrix | kergoth: All I have is a 64mb CF card as well. |
| 14:25:13 | kergoth | currently the ide suspend/resume is the only outstanding issue |
| 14:25:20 | kergoth | and the time issue, that only certain people see |
| 14:25:32 | DaJoker | I've got a 128m here and don't see it |
| 14:25:54 | kergoth | hrm |
| 14:26:00 | kergoth | anyone with a 256? |
| 14:26:30 | kergoth | okay im downloading this image to flash and sanity check. if all goes well i'll upload it |
| 14:26:34 | chouimat | kergoth: send me 229$ CDN and I will test it :) |
| 14:27:19 | numatrix | kergoth: Is it supposed to eject/insert the CF card when I resume? |
| 14:27:43 | prpplague | kergoth: howler at jeanne, i'm composing an the email now |
| 14:28:05 | agupta | kergoth did you get my message? |
| 14:28:44 | numatrix | kergoth: Looks like I may have just reproduced it... |
| 14:29:03 | kergoth | numatrix: no, the module is supposed to retain the card across suspend |
| 14:29:07 | kergoth | numatrix: it should *not* umount/mount |
| 14:29:14 | kergoth | prpplague: will do |
| 14:29:17 | kergoth | chouimat: hah, i wish |
| 14:29:25 | kergoth | agupta: yes. the sd issues are fixed |
| 14:29:32 | numatrix | kergoth: Popped open a terminal, did a cd /mnt/cf; ls; and it works fine. Suspend, resume, the cardctl app in the right ejects it, then inserts it, then the terminal halts. When I rerun the terminal, and cd /mnt/cf; ls; it hangs. |
| 14:29:41 | kergoth | nonono |
| 14:29:44 | kergoth | people always confuse this |
| 14:29:49 | kergoth | cardmon doesnt do anything |
| 14:29:52 | kergoth | it just displays messages |
| 14:29:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:30:03 | numatrix | ok; well, it displayed the eject/insert message. :-) |
| 14:30:19 | kergoth | okay. hm. thats strange. |
| 14:30:20 | JasonNJ | kergoth: I have to change the default feed to the unstable one, right |
| 14:30:21 | kergoth | what should happen |
| 14:30:28 | kergoth | is the card goes cardctl suspend, then cardctl resume' |
| 14:30:28 | numatrix | and now the device is completely hung. |
| 14:30:32 | kergoth | *not* eject/insert |
| 14:30:46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: well, there is a feed for each of the prereleases |
| 14:30:48 | numatrix | after cd /mnt/cf; ls; it's totally hung. |
| 14:30:53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: which is why i havent messed with it |
| 14:31:02 | numatrix | can't even use Cancel to suspend. |
| 14:31:03 | kergoth | numatrix: arg. it sounds like our patch to libopie didnt actually cause it to use apm |
| 14:31:07 | kergoth | numatrix: heres an idea |
| 14:31:08 | kergoth | numatrix: soft reset |
| 14:31:11 | kergoth | numatrix: when you're back up |
| 14:31:18 | kergoth | numatrix: run 'apm -s' to suspend, then resume, and test it again. |
| 14:31:24 | numatrix | kergoth: k |
| 14:32:01 | numatrix | kergoth: Would it make a difference if I was on power or battery? |
| 14:32:07 | kergoth | numatrix: not certain. |
| 14:32:13 | kergoth | numatrix: i've never reproduced this myself remember :) |
| 14:32:16 | kergoth | is flying blind |
| 14:32:35 | numatrix | I'll leave it on battery for now then. |
| 14:32:39 | kergoth | arg |
| 14:32:47 | numatrix | Nifty; the storage medium question pops up first thing before opie even loads if you have a new CF card in. |
| 14:32:53 | kergoth`mtg | yep |
| 14:32:55 | kergoth`mtg | bbl |
| 14:36:26 | numatrix | ok, kergoth: I duplicated the error one more time to verify it did hang, it did indeed hang, though this time not the whole device, just the konsole. Then I did the apm -s and resumed. The applet still showed the card ejected and a new ide device discovered and the device still hung when I did an ls /mnt/cf afterwards. |
| 14:36:57 | AndyQ|work | g |
| 14:37:08 | AndyQ|work | Oops - sorry wrong window |
| 14:39:33 | numatrix | kergoth`mtg: Also; any plans to update openssh to 3.5? BTW; if you ever make that doc on how to add to the buildroot, I'd love to help out in configuring and adding things. |
| 14:39:34 | Dessimat0r | oh eyah, while my Z is in suspend, it is eating up batteries like mad |
| 14:39:39 | Dessimat0r | not batteries |
| 14:39:41 | Dessimat0r | the battery |
| 14:39:41 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 14:40:09 | Dessimat0r | At least, I believe it is |
| 14:40:23 | Dessimat0r | They seem constantly drained |
| 14:41:17 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: This is with OZ only or with the sharp rom as well? |
| 14:41:49 | Dessimat0r | only with the latest build |
| 14:42:08 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: so if you leave the device suspended over night it's drained? |
| 14:42:18 | Dessimat0r | Yup, it was drained this morning |
| 14:42:26 | Dessimat0r | and I didn't have it on |
| 14:42:31 | JasonNJ | the new opie is pretty freakin impressive. |
| 14:42:33 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: wierd; I haven't had any trouble leaving mine suspended overnight. |
| 14:42:34 | Dessimat0r | Well, it was almost drained |
| 14:42:38 | JasonNJ | I like all the subtle things they added |
| 14:42:40 | numatrix | JasonNJ: yeah, there are so so many nice features. |
| 14:42:54 | numatrix | JasonNJ: like the preview window in appearances? |
| 14:43:02 | Dessimat0r | Perhaps it was after I applied Onyx4's patch |
| 14:43:15 | Dessimat0r | I reapplied a new one from him this morning |
| 14:43:51 | JasonNJ | numa: yeah that is neat |
| 14:44:14 | JasonNJ | the package manager is more stable although I still hate the UI |
| 14:44:36 | JasonNJ | what I would like to see is something along the lines of what Windows XP has with the add/remove programs |
| 14:45:47 | numatrix | JasonNJ: I don't mind it that much, I'm sorta used to it, but it's a little to dependent on networking, imo. I'd like to see it able to work better with local packages. |
| 14:46:58 | AndyQ|work | numatrix: have you taken a look at aqpkg at all? |
| 14:47:23 | ljp_work | jasonNJ: have you tried aqpkg yet? |
| 14:47:27 | ljp_work | heh |
| 14:47:32 | numatrix | AndyQ|work: no, I was a little hesitant at first; wasn't that the one developed without a Z initially? |
| 14:47:36 | JasonNJ | ljp no |
| 14:47:54 | JasonNJ | the main problem is not knowing what each of the optional packages do |
| 14:48:03 | JasonNJ | like I wanna try some of that theme stuff |
| 14:48:03 | AndyQ|work | Sort of, I've now got my Z back - tested loads (in fact its the first thing that goes on :) |
| 14:48:09 | ljp_work | I found a bug in aqpkg: it wont let you reinstall, it always just removes |
| 14:48:54 | Dessimat0r | is something messed up with the ftp in the latest unstable OZ? |
| 14:48:54 | ljp_work | I use aqpkg now mostly |
| 14:49:00 | AndyQ|work | Does it? - I'll take a look at that later (when I get home) |
| 14:49:05 | Dessimat0r | I can't seem to use it anymore |
| 14:49:54 | Dessimat0r | I think the loopback is missing |
| 14:49:58 | Dessimat0r | It wasn't on ifconfig |
| 14:50:23 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: yeah, somebody else was complaining about that. I didn't have one at one point, but then later I did. |
| 14:50:37 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 14:51:25 | noda | Moo! |
| 14:51:30 | agupta | kergoth`mtg still here? |
| 14:51:44 | chouimat | noda: poo |
| 14:52:12 | noda | Hey, I got a nasty surprise this morning when I found that the image kergoth put up last night forgets my clock on suspend/resume... |
| 14:52:21 | noda | Has that been fixed? Is it kernel or initrd? |
| 14:52:56 | Dessimat0r | it it possible to upgrade openzaurus without reflashing? |
| 14:53:04 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: yes. |
| 14:53:07 | Dessimat0r | without using the internet in any way |
| 14:53:11 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: just point it at a new feed and let it go. |
| 14:53:13 | noda | Dessimat0r: Not to OZ3... well, it *is* but don't do it :P |
| 14:53:17 | noda | From 2.9.9.5 |
| 14:53:20 | noda | Er, 2.9.5.5 |
| 14:53:25 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 14:53:26 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: Umm, I suppose if you duplicated the entire feed on a CF or SD card. |
| 14:53:35 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 14:53:44 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: Without using the internet in anyway would be impossible since you need to download the new OZ at some point. :-) |
| 14:53:46 | noda | You'd have to at least move all your devices and reformat your mntram partition. |
| 14:53:52 | Dessimat0r | lol ;) |
| 14:53:57 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: And yes, it depends on which version you're moving from; 2.9.5.5 does not upgrade cleanly. |
| 14:54:03 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 14:54:22 | numatrix | agupta: He left for a meeting just a few minutes ago; no clue when he'll be back. |
| 14:54:34 | Dessimat0r | flashing looks like the thing to do then ;) |
| 14:54:50 | noda | Definitely. Just back up your /root partition and put it back when you're done the flash. |
| 14:54:56 | noda | Everything will be saved :) |
| 14:54:59 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 14:55:01 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 14:55:08 | noda | Er, s/partition/directory/ |
| 14:55:08 | agupta | numatrix heard anything about the CF causing opie not to start or crash when inserted? |
| 14:55:12 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 14:55:30 | numatrix | agupta: Yeah. |
| 14:55:33 | chouimat | numatrix: how big is the feed |
| 14:55:41 | numatrix | agupta: There have been some suspend/resume issues with CF that might be related. |
| 14:55:49 | numatrix | agupta: Though it's not the same exact issue... |
| 14:56:11 | numatrix | agupta: It does cause my Z to freeze; sometimes completely, sometimes just the terminal. |
| 14:56:31 | Dessimat0r | if you back up your root partition, then replace it, won't newer versions of Opie apps be replaced by the previous versions? |
| 14:56:44 | noda | Dessimat0r: Not your root partition; I meant your /root directory. |
| 14:56:56 | noda | Dessimat0r: It's your home directory with all your personal settings. |
| 14:56:59 | numatrix | chouimat: Dunno; about the size of all these added together: http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021011_1237/feed/ |
| 14:57:31 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 14:57:34 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 15:05:09 | agupta | numatrix hmm, wonder what changed to cause that, its rather annoying |
| 15:05:20 | kergoth`mtg | agupta: cf causing opie to crash would be mediummount |
| 15:05:28 | kergoth`mtg | agupta: try removing the .opie* from /mnt/cf/ |
| 15:05:40 | kergoth`mtg | agupta: we've hit that opie bug before, i thought they had fixed it |
| 15:06:10 | noda | kergoth: Hallo! :) |
| 15:06:24 | chouimat | kergoth: any fun at your meeting? |
| 15:06:24 | Dessimat0r | lo Kergoth |
| 15:06:27 | noda | kergoth: With the image/kernel you uploaded last night, my Z forgets what time it is on suspend/resume. |
| 15:06:38 | kergoth | noda: is atd runninG? |
| 15:06:43 | kergoth | noda: is the trigger there? |
| 15:06:58 | noda | kergoth: Um. |
| 15:06:59 | Dessimat0r | I haven't set my time yet, so I can't tell you if it has gained or lost any ;) |
| 15:07:00 | agupta | kergoth hmm, i see. how do i remove it without being able to go to console or into opie |
| 15:07:12 | kergoth | agupta: um, this is easy |
| 15:07:19 | noda | atd is running. |
| 15:07:25 | kergoth | agupta: 1) rmeove card, 2) reboot, 3) run embeddedkonsole, 4) insert card |
| 15:07:26 | noda | Where do I find out if the trigger is there? What trigger? :) |
| 15:07:31 | agupta | kergoth it crashes |
| 15:07:33 | kergoth | noda: /var/spool/at*/trigger |
| 15:07:35 | agupta | if i insert it, it dies |
| 15:07:40 | kergoth | agupta: i thougth you said it crashes on *boot* |
| 15:07:43 | agupta | if its already inserted when it starts opie, it dies |
| 15:07:45 | agupta | both |
| 15:07:47 | kergoth | agupta: just *wait* |
| 15:07:50 | agupta | :) |
| 15:07:55 | kergoth | its probably scannin the card for documents |
| 15:07:56 | kergoth | or |
| 15:07:59 | kergoth | its mediummount |
| 15:08:03 | noda | trigger is there. |
| 15:08:03 | kergoth | try uinstalling mediummountgui |
| 15:08:10 | agupta | hmm k |
| 15:08:28 | agupta | i'll just disable medium mount |
| 15:08:28 | noda | kergoth: I think there was an atd message on bootup... I'll reboot and look for it :) |
| 15:08:32 | kergoth | noda: k |
| 15:08:41 | agupta | yep, that solved it |
| 15:08:46 | agupta | its probably cuz i have so much shit on my CF |
| 15:08:53 | agupta | cool |
| 15:08:57 | agupta | so sd issue is fixed? |
| 15:09:38 | noda | kergoth: Hrm, no error messages. |
| 15:10:28 | numatrix | kergoth: You get my response above? apm -s does not fix the problem. |
| 15:10:37 | agupta | kergoth whats' causing the SD issue? |
| 15:10:41 | agupta | was causing |
| 15:11:32 | noda | kergoth: Still has the problem. |
| 15:11:46 | noda | kergoth: If I reboot it remembers the time, but if I suspend it goes back to what it was when I rebooted. |
| 15:13:31 | numatrix | agupta: /dev/sd_slotstat wasn't in the new dev filesystem. |
| 15:14:27 | noda | kergoth: Only, the time in the lower-right of the screen (the applet) looks like it remembered the time. But when I go to change the time it has the bad time in there. |
| 15:14:54 | agupta | numatrix ok |
| 15:15:00 | agupta | how do i create it? mknod/ |
| 15:15:22 | chouimat | wooot! my palmos plugin for kdevelop3 seems to work! |
| 15:15:27 | kergoth | noda: yes yes i know |
| 15:15:31 | kergoth | noda: whats happening is |
| 15:15:31 | prpplague | kergoth: i cc'd you a copy of the email to jeanne |
| 15:15:48 | kergoth | noda: datetime isnt causing the system time to sync w/ hw time |
| 15:15:59 | kergoth | noda: either its failing to communicate with atd via the trigger, or atd isnt doing what it should |
| 15:16:13 | noda | kergoth: Sounds very not-fun :) |
| 15:16:30 | kergoth | noda: well, its too bad that atd is a huge piece of shit |
| 15:16:30 | noda | So it's either datetime or atd? |
| 15:16:34 | noda | Heh |
| 15:16:38 | kergoth | yes |
| 15:16:39 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:16:40 | kergoth | try this |
| 15:16:42 | kergoth | just for shits |
| 15:16:46 | kergoth | run date |
| 15:16:51 | kergoth | is it correct? |
| 15:17:07 | kergoth | btw guys, i've got a *shitload* of real work to do today |
| 15:17:09 | noda | Nope, it's wrong :) |
| 15:17:13 | kergoth | so i wont be able to spend a lot of time on this stuff |
| 15:17:15 | noda | But I'll try *setting* it with 'date'... |
| 15:17:21 | kergoth | yes, exactly |
| 15:17:43 | ljp_work | kergoth: you cant do real work.. these guys _need_ you ! |
| 15:18:03 | prpplague | kergoth: let me know if i forgot anything |
| 15:21:20 | agupta | "real work" |
| 15:21:21 | agupta | heh |
| 15:21:26 | agupta | so what else is borked in this prerelease |
| 15:21:47 | noda | Hey, I'm confused... the time right now (in seconds) is around 1034781699, right? |
| 15:22:07 | agupta | phosphorus:~# date +%s |
| 15:22:07 | agupta | 1034781722 |
| 15:22:23 | noda | Oh, okay, I see what's going on. I tried using "date -s 1034781699" and it thought I was putting in a human-formatted date. |
| 15:24:32 | ljp_work | I tried date -wq that_cute_chick_down_the_hall but it didnt work |
| 15:24:47 | ljp_work | permission denied |
| 15:24:51 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 15:24:52 | noda | using "date -s" doesn't fix the time either. |
| 15:27:46 | chouimat | kergoth: did push the change for qte beta2? |
| 15:29:23 | NetNut404_work | I still can't get my Z to get its wireles ip via dhcp .. what packages are neccessary? |
| 15:30:41 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 15:30:41 | plastik | ibot oz prerelease |
| 15:30:59 | kergoth | chouimat: doing a bk -r diffs now |
| 15:31:24 | AndyQ | ljp_work: Question about aqpkg reinstall - were you trying to reinstall the same version as was already installed? |
| 15:32:06 | kergoth | chouimat: bk pull |
| 15:32:58 | ljp_work | andy: yes |
| 15:33:02 | chouimat | kergoth: uic <-static? |
| 15:33:08 | kergoth | chouimat: not yet :) |
| 15:33:20 | AndyQ | Ah - not a bug then - a feature :) Currently you can only re-install a package with a different version |
| 15:33:34 | chouimat | kergoth: will just change it for mine then :) |
| 15:33:41 | ljp_work | -force-reinstall |
| 15:33:49 | AndyQ | That was actually an original design feature before I decided that you may actually want to do this |
| 15:34:18 | kergoth | AndyQ: you're hte aqpkg guy? |
| 15:34:20 | AndyQ | It is something on my list of things to do but I'm not sure of the best way to do this yet |
| 15:34:27 | AndyQ | kergoth: yes |
| 15:34:42 | kergoth | AndyQ: well good, now i know who to pester when i start playing with it: ) |
| 15:34:46 | AndyQ | :) |
| 15:35:01 | AndyQ | ducks very quickly |
| 15:36:03 | ljp_work | aqpkg is very nice, I havent tried it with feeds. though |
| 15:36:25 | AndyQ | it works with the unstable feed and the zz feed - there is a bug somewhere in that with the |
| 15:37:00 | AndyQ | default ipkg.conf file, first run it removes all entries except the current one |
| 15:37:23 | AndyQ | any entries you add after that are fine - gonna try and fix that tonight (and look at the reinstall) |
| 15:38:48 | AndyQ | kergoth: is the current prerelease worth flashing to? |
| 15:39:04 | AndyQ | or should I wait a bit? |
| 15:39:13 | noda | AndyQ: It forgets the time on suspend/resume :( |
| 15:39:17 | kergoth | AndyQ: wait a bit. im working another another now |
| 15:39:22 | kergoth | noda: its random. |
| 15:39:23 | AndyQ | kergoth: 'kay |
| 15:39:26 | kergoth | noda: mine works fine |
| 15:39:32 | noda | kergoth: Really? Maybe it's the kernel I put in? |
| 15:39:33 | noda | Is that possible? |
| 15:39:37 | kergoth | noda: in other words, its not something introduced recently |
| 15:39:46 | kergoth | kernel config hasnt changed with regard to anything but the NLS entries |
| 15:39:51 | noda | Hrm... |
| 15:40:01 | noda | I still have that nls thing even after installing the later kernel, btw. |
| 15:40:06 | kergoth | i know |
| 15:40:15 | kergoth | i hadnt rebuilt the kernel after my bk pull |
| 15:40:16 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:40:19 | noda | Ah :) |
| 15:40:20 | kergoth | juggling a few bk trees |
| 15:40:40 | noda | Ooh, I know what I want to do today! I'm gonna try to compile with gcc3. |
| 15:40:42 | | hmmm... xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) or ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-3.2.tar.bz2 or be sure and read the install notes |
| 15:40:42 | noda | ibot xcompile |
| 15:40:53 | kergoth | noda: i hear that 3.2 toolchain sucks. |
| 15:41:06 | noda | kergoth: Oh... |
| 15:41:12 | noda | How so? |
| 15:43:35 | kergoth | not certain on the etails |
| 15:43:37 | kergoth | details |
| 15:43:46 | kergoth | it doesnt have the libelf fix to allow prelinking |
| 15:43:48 | kergoth | dunno beyond that |
| 15:43:49 | kergoth | ask harlekin |
| 15:43:58 | noda | Oh :) |
| 15:44:21 | noda | Bah, I'm gonna try anyway - fixing compile issues will help out later on anyway (if there are any) |
| 15:44:30 | kergoth | cool |
| 15:47:56 | NetNut404_work | I still can't get my Z to get its wireles ip via dhcp .. what packages are neccessary? |
| 15:48:20 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: what packages? all you need is busybox and pcmcia-cs, and ifupdown |
| 15:48:32 | kergoth | and ifupdown is only required for some configurations |
| 15:48:47 | NetNut404_work | hmm then why won't it grap it's ip via dhcp |
| 15:48:52 | kergoth | how should i know? |
| 15:48:54 | kergoth | != psychic |
| 15:48:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:48:59 | kergoth | mine works |
| 15:49:00 | kergoth | what rom? |
| 15:49:14 | agupta | you aren't?!?!? |
| 15:50:22 | noda | kergoth: Do you think if I re-flashed my problems with time will simply go away? |
| 15:50:37 | NetNut404_work | hmmm very weird.. comes up with no ip.. I have to run ifconfig to assign it one |
| 15:51:23 | kergoth | noda: i dont know. |
| 15:55:13 | JasonNJ | I'm really liking this new OPIE |
| 15:56:23 | ljp_work | nice, eh? |
| 15:58:07 | JasonNJ | how do you install picogui and X? |
| 15:58:27 | | it has been said that oz picogui is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/experimental/picogui/ - install them, kill opie, and run "pgserver" or see "picogui faq" or really experimental still (see "picogui bugs") |
| 15:58:27 | scanline | ibot: oz picogui? |
| 15:59:36 | scanline | definitely experimental :) |
| 16:00:01 | JasonNJ | is opieplayer on the feed? |
| 16:00:01 | scanline | I'm not sure if there are binaries up for X yet, but there are packages for it in buildroot now |
| 16:01:02 | chouimat | want a valgrind-like app for ARM |
| 16:01:25 | scanline | chouimat: heh, that would rock |
| 16:01:49 | DaJoker | JasonNJ: http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/tinyx/ |
| 16:01:52 | scanline | chouimat: even better if you had a valgrind that simulated an ARM but ran on x86, so you could use faster hardware |
| 16:01:54 | DaJoker | not recent builds, but they work |
| 16:02:09 | chouimat | scanline: maybe we can hack something, using ARMulator for gdb |
| 16:02:27 | chouimat | s/for/from |
| 16:02:39 | scanline | hmm |
| 16:02:57 | scanline | or just add strict alignment checking and such to valgrind, so it isn't as lenient as an x86 is |
| 16:03:08 | mark | alright, I just flashed to a 20-12 zImage, and now I have only 20Meg RAM but that 12M seems to have dissapeared... |
| 16:03:42 | chouimat | scanline: I have seen the 1.1.0 snapshot of valgrind (heavy internal modification) |
| 16:03:46 | kergoth | mark: didnt full reset? |
| 16:04:19 | mark | kergoth: hmm, i think I did, its got the new initrd.bin etc, I'll do it though |
| 16:04:34 | kergoth | mark: what initrd.bin? |
| 16:04:57 | mark | kergoth: the one I put on my CF to install :) |
| 16:05:14 | kergoth | mark: nono, what version |
| 16:05:36 | scanline | everybody's a comedian... |
| 16:05:42 | scanline | PicoBot: yow |
| 16:05:42 | PicoBot | If our behavior is strict, we do not need fun! |
| 16:05:50 | mark | kergoth: that one http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 16:06:03 | | OKAY!! Turn on the sound ONLY for TRYNEL CARPETING, FULLY-EQUIPPED R.V.'S and FLOATATION SYSTEMS!! |
| 16:06:03 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 16:06:03 | kergoth | mark: well, iknow theres no bugs regarding mtdram in that one |
| 16:06:11 | scanline | PicoBot: yow |
| 16:06:12 | PicoBot | YOW!! Everybody out of the GENETIC POOL! |
| 16:06:23 | chouimat | PicoBot: yow |
| 16:06:24 | PicoBot | This PORCUPINE knows his ZIPCODE ... And he has "VISA"!! |
| 16:06:37 | chouimat | PicoBot: yow |
| 16:06:37 | PicoBot | A dwarf is passing out somewhere in Detroit! |
| 16:07:17 | mark | kergoth: ah okay, anything I can do? |
| 16:07:46 | chouimat | mark: yup bring me a Pizza |
| 16:07:56 | scanline | makes some more coffee |
| 16:08:36 | noda | lol, this cross-3.2 isn't working out too well :P "ls: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/local/arm/lib/librt.so.1: ELF file OS ABI invalid" |
| 16:08:46 | mark | chouimat: could be cold by the time it gets to you |
| 16:09:27 | chouimat | mark: hehe |
| 16:10:00 | NetNut404_work | so is there a working email program yet? |
| 16:10:20 | kergoth | noda: did you untar it from /? |
| 16:10:24 | DaJoker | NetNut404_work: will be right after you write it :) |
| 16:10:26 | noda | kergoth: Yep |
| 16:10:26 | kergoth | noda: you must be in / when you extract it |
| 16:10:28 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:10:31 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 16:10:36 | noda | kergoth: I installed it properly, just messing up my libraries... |
| 16:10:41 | NetNut404_work | lol |
| 16:10:48 | noda | I guess /usr/local/arm/lib is the arm-linux version of the libs? |
| 16:10:52 | NetNut404_work | DaJoker: That would be never |
| 16:11:04 | noda | 'cuz my /lib is definitely gcc-3.2. |
| 16:11:08 | noda | And it works :P |
| 16:12:11 | JasonNJ | how do you change the background graphic? Its not in appearance |
| 16:12:24 | kergoth | JasonNJ: launcher settings |
| 16:12:34 | kergoth | JasonNJ: you can edsit it on a per tab basis, or for all the tabs |
| 16:13:00 | Onyx4 | hey kergoth |
| 16:13:18 | kergoth | Onyx4: you want to work on the suspend/resume issue? i doubt i'll have time today |
| 16:13:22 | kergoth | its looking to be a busy day |
| 16:13:28 | noda | lol. checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. |
| 16:13:29 | Onyx4 | here are the 4 issues whne upgrading |
| 16:13:51 | Onyx4 | the /dev/pts symlink still points at /mnt/devpts when it's mounted on /dev/pts now |
| 16:13:55 | kergoth | no |
| 16:13:59 | kergoth | its not mounted on /dev/pts |
| 16:14:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:14:10 | Onyx4 | well my script that I looked had that in |
| 16:14:16 | kergoth | it mounts on /dev/pts |
| 16:14:17 | kergoth | BUT |
| 16:14:21 | kergoth | thats a symlink |
| 16:14:24 | Onyx4 | basically I could not login |
| 16:14:24 | kergoth | so it really mounts on /mnt/devpts |
| 16:14:50 | Onyx4 | 2nd issue is that for some reason, both dhcpcd and udhcpc were running |
| 16:14:57 | Onyx4 | since I didn't uninstall dhcpcd during upgrade |
| 16:15:00 | kergoth | well |
| 16:15:03 | Onyx4 | I can look at that one |
| 16:15:05 | kergoth | you did the dhcp stuff, you take it |
| 16:15:06 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:15:11 | kergoth | btw |
| 16:15:14 | kergoth | ben's new networksetup app rocks |
| 16:15:24 | Onyx4 | 3rd, ifupdown doesn't call the postinst of hotplug , not sure if you pushed that change |
| 16:15:24 | kergoth | it doesnt work.. but the bugs are minor, i'm sure we can fix them |
| 16:15:30 | agupta | GAH! |
| 16:15:40 | kergoth | 3 never got pushed, i'll do that now |
| 16:15:51 | Onyx4 | and there's the apm issue, but I need to confirm wheter or not it's still there cause only dessimator told it to me |
| 16:16:01 | kergoth | k |
| 16:16:02 | Onyx4 | that's it for now, the rest of the upgrade went smooth |
| 16:16:04 | kergoth | well |
| 16:16:13 | kergoth | numatrix reported suspend/resume issues with his ide cf card |
| 16:16:18 | Onyx4 | oh and you know when opie-base install hangs for like 15 minutes |
| 16:16:20 | kergoth | work with him on it, if you would |
| 16:16:25 | Onyx4 | if you do a sync in another window , it unfreezes it |
| 16:16:25 | kergoth | yeah, thats our shitty ass jffs2 |
| 16:16:28 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:16:34 | kergoth | not surprising, but good to know |
| 16:16:43 | Onyx4 | so I don't know if that means we should use sync by default on jffs2 |
| 16:16:54 | Onyx4 | not to use the mem cache |
| 16:16:59 | mark | Onyx4: whats the dhcp client on the Z? |
| 16:17:04 | kergoth | Onyx4: want to try adding sync to its mount options and see if the upgrade doesnt hang? |
| 16:17:08 | Onyx4 | mark: both udhcpc and dhcpcd are available |
| 16:17:14 | kergoth | mark: new oz uses udhcpc, old uses dhcpcd. its your call |
| 16:17:18 | Onyx4 | kergoth: I can try yeah |
| 16:17:29 | kergoth | thanks |
| 16:17:37 | kergoth | ive got too mucch shit to do today |
| 16:17:43 | kergoth | lots of work related stuff so i dont get fired |
| 16:17:43 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:18:00 | Onyx4 | yeah same here, so I'll work on it tonight |
| 16:18:05 | mark | kergoth, Onyx4: okay |
| 16:18:14 | mark | if this takes ages dsomething is wrong yeh? :) |
| 16:19:45 | kergoth | if what takes ages? |
| 16:20:05 | mark | udhcpc -i eth0 |
| 16:20:09 | Dessimat0r | wheer can I get the latest unstable opie-mediaplayer2? |
| 16:20:10 | agupta | sigh |
| 16:20:12 | agupta | this sucks |
| 16:20:19 | JasonNJ | dang that appearance and launcher settings apps are cool |
| 16:20:26 | kergoth | JasonNJ: thank sandman |
| 16:20:27 | Dessimat0r | * where |
| 16:20:40 | JasonNJ | yeah I dont see mediaplayer2 on the unstable feed for the 15th |
| 16:20:44 | Onyx4 | kergoth: I think that the problem is that devpts gets mounted when the ramdisk is not yet extracted right |
| 16:20:52 | kergoth | JasonNJ: opieplayer2 isnt built by the buildroot yet |
| 16:20:56 | Onyx4 | so it will mount it on the old location since the dev table is not updated? |
| 16:21:07 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 16:21:10 | kergoth | Onyx4: it fails to create the /dev/pts -> /mnt/devpts symlink |
| 16:21:16 | kergoth | Onyx4: because its a dir with something mounted on it |
| 16:21:24 | Onyx4 | I got an error message I think during the install |
| 16:21:31 | kergoth | Onyx4: what do you think, preinst unmount pts, rm -rf /dev/pts, create link? |
| 16:21:39 | kergoth | Onyx4: or on bootup check for it? |
| 16:21:46 | JasonNJ | this is weird, teh opiemail2 app doesnt launch from the launcher but it does launch from the email button |
| 16:21:58 | kergoth | Onyx4: bootup is safer because pts wont be in use at the time |
| 16:22:08 | noda | JasonNJ: opiemail2 is weird :) |
| 16:22:22 | JasonNJ | opiemail2 doesnt support POP3 either |
| 16:22:24 | JasonNJ | thats annoying |
| 16:22:43 | kergoth | JasonNJ: its being rewritten |
| 16:22:48 | kergoth | JasonNJ: already under way |
| 16:23:05 | Onyx4 | kergoth: yeah |
| 16:23:07 | Onyx4 | kergoth: bootup |
| 16:23:11 | JasonNJ | that network applet is cool |
| 16:23:19 | JasonNJ | it needs to show all detected AP's though |
| 16:23:22 | JasonNJ | for doing warwalking |
| 16:23:39 | JasonNJ | like it needs a warwalking scanner mode |
| 16:23:44 | Onyx4 | also we need a way to convert /tmp |
| 16:23:48 | Onyx4 | to /var ramdisk |
| 16:24:07 | Onyx4 | I was able to do it only when I killed ssh since ssh uses stuff in /tmp |
| 16:24:16 | Onyx4 | had tu umount /tmp ; ln -s /var/tmp /tmp |
| 16:24:27 | chouimat | we need a datebook5 like app for Opie |
| 16:24:34 | Onyx4 | and get rid of the entry in fstab (or overwrite fstab) |
| 16:24:56 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ben's networksetup app is cool |
| 16:24:58 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i'm testing it now |
| 16:25:10 | chouimat | kergoth: screenshot? |
| 16:25:19 | kergoth | chouimat: ask ben |
| 16:25:25 | kergoth | i've got too mjuch shit on my plate right now |
| 16:25:44 | kergoth | Onyx4: removing that line in fstab will be hard without sed |
| 16:26:36 | kergoth | Onyx4: in extractfs, lets deal with the /tmp transition, and deal with the devpts transition in the devpts startup script. i.e. 1) check whether the transition is necessary, 2) do necessary steps |
| 16:26:40 | Onyx4 | yeah... well I would not worry too much about it, if the user removes it manually tough I'd like to see a transition |
| 16:26:48 | Onyx4 | so we check if it's mounted, if not then we transit |
| 16:27:02 | kergoth | that works |
| 16:27:09 | kergoth | having /tmp its own ramdisk isnt a huge deal anyway |
| 16:27:13 | Onyx4 | right |
| 16:27:16 | kergoth | devpts has to happen though. |
| 16:27:20 | kergoth | cause thats critical |
| 16:27:21 | Onyx4 | yep |
| 16:27:43 | kergoth | okay i committed the 3rd of your 4 items. |
| 16:27:51 | Onyx4 | I think I'll remove ide.opts from the list of config files |
| 16:28:00 | kergoth | why? |
| 16:28:03 | Onyx4 | cause the defaults in the previous version might not be right |
| 16:28:22 | Onyx4 | I'll check more on that |
| 16:28:51 | chouimat | kergoth: I did a compile of buildroot yesterday and /mnt/ram won't mount even manualy. using 26-6 kernel |
| 16:30:07 | kergoth | chouimat: works flawless here. |
| 16:30:22 | kergoth | chouimat: is there an entry for it in fstab? |
| 16:30:36 | chouimat | kergoth: yes |
| 16:30:44 | kergoth | then it didnt get formatted |
| 16:30:47 | kergoth | sounds like you didnt full reset |
| 16:30:59 | kergoth | and what error is outputted when you try to mount itt manually? |
| 16:31:01 | chouimat | kergoth: I reflashed |
| 16:31:19 | chouimat | Permission denied |
| 16:31:33 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:31:37 | kergoth | well |
| 16:31:39 | kergoth | the prerelease on sf |
| 16:31:42 | kergoth | is built from buildroot |
| 16:31:46 | kergoth | so i dunno what to tell you |
| 16:31:46 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm root |
| 16:31:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:32:57 | Onyx4 | device permissions? |
| 16:33:13 | chouimat | mtdblock6? |
| 16:33:19 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:33:20 | kergoth | mtdblock6 |
| 16:33:29 | chouimat | rw-r---- |
| 16:33:32 | kergoth | it should be root:disk, 664 |
| 16:33:44 | Dessimat0r | ibot airport Manchester Airport |
| 16:33:44 | | Dessimat0r: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead. |
| 16:34:16 | chouimat | kergoth: root:root 640 |
| 16:34:36 | chouimat | DaJoker: ping |
| 16:35:30 | kergoth | chouimat: well |
| 16:35:36 | kergoth | chouimat: root can still mount it with 640 |
| 16:35:41 | kergoth | chouimat: so i dont get it |
| 16:35:48 | mark | does the ZZ feed work alright with OZ? |
| 16:35:55 | kergoth | mark: no |
| 16:35:55 | chouimat | kergoth: major/minro 31,0? |
| 16:36:07 | kergoth | chouimat: arg, no.. wtf? |
| 16:36:09 | kergoth | jesus |
| 16:36:12 | kergoth | explodes |
| 16:36:30 | Onyx4 | kergoth: is it possible that it's not pcmcia that started udhcpc, but that ifup -a turned up wlan0 and started dhcp? :) |
| 16:36:37 | mark | kergoth: it try to install qpe-base or something? |
| 16:36:43 | chouimat | kergoth: updating |
| 16:36:46 | kergoth | Onyx4: no. |
| 16:36:58 | kergoth | Onyx4: pcmcia-cs either runs its own shit *or* ifup, not both |
| 16:37:09 | Onyx4 | well don't we call ifup on boot? |
| 16:37:14 | kergoth | huh? |
| 16:37:22 | kergoth | wlan interfaces are brought up by pcmcia-cs |
| 16:37:27 | kergoth | not the startup scripts |
| 16:37:37 | kergoth | usbd is brought up by hotplug, not the startup scripts |
| 16:37:42 | kergoth | the only thing that needs 'auto' is lo |
| 16:38:18 | Onyx4 | ok gotcha...mmm |
| 16:39:22 | Onyx4 | well let me know when you fix the devpts oz-base so I can upgrade and test it |
| 16:39:38 | Onyx4 | then I'll be able to login with ssh and look at the dhcp stuff heh |
| 16:42:24 | mark | gah, my Z has frozen |
| 16:43:28 | prpplague | mark: put it in the oven |
| 16:43:30 | ljp_work | stick it in the oven |
| 16:44:15 | mark | hady ha |
| 16:44:23 | ljp_work | hey |
| 16:44:40 | ljp_work | I guess great minds think alike! ;) |
| 16:44:54 | mark | ljp_work: ur jokes are getting worse |
| 16:45:12 | ljp_work | I;m not the only one to say that though |
| 16:47:12 | kergoth | Onyx4: devpts fixed. pushing now |
| 16:54:09 | Onyx4 | ok, I actually found that the all that's needed to support ipupdown for pcmcia is to get the right things inside network.opts |
| 16:54:16 | Onyx4 | no modifs to just "network" |
| 16:54:39 | Onyx4 | so I'm not sure if ben's app will put the things in there or is gonna expect the stuff to be already present and just modify it |
| 16:54:54 | Onyx4 | in any case, I'll update the default network.opts to be ifupdown compatible |
| 16:55:25 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:55:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:55:34 | kergoth | ben's app currently doesnt do network.opts parsing |
| 16:55:36 | kergoth | just interfaces |
| 16:55:42 | Onyx4 | look at install-etc in build/pcmcia-cs/etc |
| 16:55:49 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:55:50 | kergoth | i know |
| 16:55:53 | kergoth | make the change |
| 16:55:58 | kergoth | we need the network.opts addition |
| 16:56:01 | Onyx4 | ok cool |
| 16:56:20 | kergoth | fuck me |
| 16:56:27 | kergoth | chouimat: mine fails in the same way, nice catch |
| 16:56:36 | kergoth | chouimat: weird thing is, i still cant mount even with chmod 777 the device |
| 16:59:52 | kergoth | fuck |
| 16:59:57 | kergoth | why wont it mount? |
| 16:59:58 | kergoth | arg |
| 17:00:13 | | it has been said that oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 17:00:13 | killefiz_ | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 17:06:49 | mark | ljp_work: advancedfm is crashing it it seems |
| 17:07:59 | mark | or is ther ejust something funny up with /tmp? |
| 17:08:38 | kergoth | /tmp is a ramdisk, or a symlink into a ramdisk |
| 17:08:40 | kergoth | nothing special |
| 17:09:27 | NetNut404_work | so this is very odd.. a couple of times after using the wireles lan for a while the nick will get it's ip via dhcp (when it would not before) |
| 17:09:41 | mark | kergoth: oipkg is refusing to open something in /var/tmp/ |
| 17:09:53 | Onyx4 | kergoth I got an invalid argument trying to umount /dev/pts |
| 17:10:00 | Onyx4 | so it still does not work |
| 17:10:03 | kergoth | Onyx4: ? |
| 17:10:08 | kergoth | Onyx4: oh |
| 17:10:10 | Onyx4 | the new oz-base |
| 17:10:11 | kergoth | Onyx4: i know what that bug is |
| 17:10:21 | kergoth | Onyx4: its following the link back to /mnt/devpts |
| 17:10:30 | kergoth | hrm |
| 17:10:35 | hardwire | email from boss: |
| 17:10:37 | hardwire | They need you to call system is down |
| 17:10:40 | hardwire | responds by turning up system of the down |
| 17:10:48 | kergoth | i wonder how it handles unmount of items that arent in fstab |
| 17:10:50 | kergoth | ponders |
| 17:10:56 | mark | hardwire: go on then :P |
| 17:11:07 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:13:09 | AndyQ | ljp_work: would you expect ipkg --force-reinstall install <package> to come back with package is up-to-date |
| 17:13:23 | AndyQ | ljp_work: and not re-install? coz that is what ipkg is doing |
| 17:13:24 | kergoth | AndyQ: only if installing from a feed |
| 17:13:39 | kergoth | er |
| 17:13:43 | kergoth | nevermind |
| 17:13:45 | kergoth | its just an ipkg bug |
| 17:13:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:13:53 | kergoth | you should have a gui to facilitate it regardless |
| 17:14:02 | AndyQ | kergoth: ahh, so if you re-install from a local ipk then it should re-install? |
| 17:14:08 | chouimat | DaJoker: ping |
| 17:14:29 | kergoth | AndyQ: actually. ipkg install will install a local ipk regardless of its version |
| 17:14:35 | kergoth | AndyQ: you dont need -force-reinstall for that |
| 17:14:55 | kergoth | AndyQ: -force-reinstall is only meaningfull when dealing with a feed, and in that situation its broken :) |
| 17:16:09 | AndyQ | kergoth: ok, gui is updated (not committed - more testing...) - not a brilliant solution but better than nothing for the moment |
| 17:16:26 | kergoth | AndyQ: okay, cool. i'll pester jamey some more for the fix :) |
| 17:17:00 | AndyQ | kergoth: cheers :) |
| 17:17:28 | kergoth | AndyQ: so where does aqpkg stand in featureset atm as opposed to oipkg? i get the impression from users that its less feature rich atm |
| 17:18:02 | kergoth | hasnt tried it yet ;) |
| 17:18:53 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:20:51 | AndyQ | kergoth: Well, it supports pretty much most things: - installing from feeds, local ipkgs, downloading ipkgs to Z, (and removing them) |
| 17:21:18 | AndyQ | kergoth: Not sure what I've missed functionality wise - just gonna compare with oipkg... |
| 17:21:40 | | mark: what? |
| 17:21:40 | mark | ibot: aqpkg |
| 17:22:24 | AndyQ | kergoth: OK, can't search for a package and no filtering (not sure if thats useful though) |
| 17:22:46 | AndyQ | kergoth: One thing I do want to add is the ability to jump to packages starting with a letter |
| 17:23:04 | AndyQ | kergoth: i.e. click p and jumps to packages that start with p |
| 17:23:21 | numatrix|lunch | is away: I'm not here. |
| 17:23:24 | AndyQ | kergoth: Thats it. Anything else that should be there? |
| 17:23:27 | numatrix | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 17:23:43 | kergoth | AndyQ: is there a button to upgrade all packages to the latest version (aka run ipkg upgrade)? |
| 17:23:46 | numatrix | an equivalent for ipkg upgrade; ? (upgrade all packges) |
| 17:23:47 | numatrix | ;-) |
| 17:23:49 | kergoth | AndyQ: cause that feature lack in oipkg pisses me off |
| 17:23:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:24:06 | numatrix | Yeah; that's the one real bit that the gui lacks. |
| 17:24:17 | mark | AndyQ: aqpkg work fine on OZ? |
| 17:24:24 | kergoth | mark: why wouldnt it? |
| 17:24:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:24:29 | AndyQ | mark: yes |
| 17:25:49 | mark | kergoth: just making sure :P |
| 17:25:56 | AndyQ | kergoth: Um, not yet |
| 17:27:11 | AndyQ | kergoth: actually, you can do something similar, select the local view and highlight which packages you wish to upgrade |
| 17:27:22 | AndyQ | kergoth: local view shows you only the packages you've got installed |
| 17:27:41 | numatrix | AndyQ: and you can do multiple ones at once? |
| 17:27:46 | AndyQ | it would be pretty easy to add a select all button |
| 17:27:51 | AndyQ | numatrix: yes |
| 17:28:16 | numatrix | Excellent. Though it might be simpler to add the ipkg upgrade; and let ipkg handle the upgrade of all of them itself. |
| 17:28:27 | mark | right, aqpkg has failed installing konq saying 'failed to link ...' |
| 17:29:06 | AndyQ | numatrix - that would possibly be better - but I thought you should shut Opie down before doing an ipkg upgrade? |
| 17:29:18 | numatrix | AndyQ: Sometimes, not necessarily. |
| 17:29:21 | AndyQ | mark: bit more detail error wise? |
| 17:29:30 | mark | AndyQ: I'll get it, one sec |
| 17:29:34 | mark | (oipkg was bombing with this too) |
| 17:29:44 | AndyQ | numatrix: OK, I'll add that |
| 17:30:01 | numatrix | AndyQ: cool; you might add a warning that upgrading opie while it's running is not recommended. |
| 17:30:16 | numatrix | kergoth: What were the other situations where shutting down opie was recommended? I don't remember. |
| 17:30:33 | AndyQ | numatrix: :) |
| 17:30:35 | mark | ah, 'ipkg_conf_write_status_file: Can't open /sur/lib/ipkg/status for writing :No space left on device' |
| 17:30:51 | mark | i have 84k there |
| 17:31:12 | AndyQ | mark: rm -r /*.* :) |
| 17:31:38 | kolla | make space |
| 17:31:40 | AndyQ | mark: then reflash and loads of space |
| 17:31:47 | mark | i've got 84k. should be enough no? |
| 17:31:58 | kolla | anyways.. why do you have a /sur? |
| 17:32:05 | mark | /usr :) |
| 17:32:25 | kolla | probably the 84k left is bogus |
| 17:32:39 | mark | alright, rebooting, |
| 17:32:54 | kolla | or the status file of yuurs is too big |
| 17:33:00 | kolla | yours even |
| 17:34:48 | mark | okay |
| 17:35:03 | mark | hmm, removing task-opie-games doesn't remove all the games it installed, |
| 17:35:42 | numatrix | mark: Nope; the tasks force other things to be installed as requirements, but when you uninstall a program, the requirements for it aren't uninstalled, and shouldn't be. |
| 17:36:14 | mark | numatrix: agreed, it seems quite counter intuitive for task-* though |
| 17:36:25 | killefiz | is there a fix/workaround for oz not mounting my sd card when it's inserted? manually mounting it works |
| 17:37:10 | mark | AndyQ: alright, 'Failed to link /mnt/ram/opt/QtPalmtop/bin/konqueror to //opt/QtPalmtop/bin/konqueror' |
| 17:37:36 | DaJoker | chouimat: pong |
| 17:37:39 | mark | AndyQ: i'm also getting 'Failed to link /mnt/ram/. to //.' |
| 17:38:32 | mrz80 | Any particular reason why, on the 101502 initrd.bin and zImage-40-24 it won't mount the ramdisk? Attempting to mount /dev/mtdblock6 /mnt/ram gives me "permission denied" (and yes, I *am* root :-) ) |
| 17:38:51 | mark | AndyQ: forget that, its coz i already have a konqueror there :) |
| 17:39:55 | AndyQ | mark: forgotten |
| 17:41:34 | chouimat|eat | DaJoker: can you test the cf reader? |
| 17:42:32 | DaJoker | chouimat|eat: well.. I suppose I could.. if I had the driver setup in my kernel |
| 17:43:17 | mark | AndyQ: the 'failed to link /mnt/ram/. to //.' is real though |
| 17:43:28 | chouimat|eat | DaJoker: do you have cdrecord ? |
| 17:43:51 | DaJoker | chouimat|eat: yup |
| 17:44:01 | chouimat|eat | DaJoker: just do cdrecord -scanbus |
| 17:44:47 | DaJoker | scsibus0: |
| 17:44:47 | DaJoker | 0,0,0 0) 'General ' 'Flash Disk Drive' '2.05' Removable Disk |
| 17:44:55 | mark | kergoth: using konq/e, console error: INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes. INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel' |
| 17:45:08 | chouimat|eat | DaJoker: no multiple lun? |
| 17:45:45 | DaJoker | chouimat|eat: doesn't appear to be.. |
| 17:45:53 | chouimat|eat | DaJoker: ok |
| 17:46:04 | DaJoker | don't know if I have that on in the kernel though to probe multiple |
| 17:46:29 | chouimat|eat | dja |
| 17:46:36 | chouimat|eat | DaJoker: thanks |
| 17:46:58 | DaJoker | in fact, I don't have that turned on.. |
| 17:48:02 | chouimat|eat | DaJoker: ok |
| 17:48:10 | mark | kergoth: dc, did you get that? |
| 17:48:20 | DaJoker | chouimat|eat: will recompile and reboot after a few.. |
| 17:49:03 | DaJoker | anyone happen to use WEP and wireless on their Z? |
| 17:49:09 | AndyQ | mark: hmm, not sure where did are you installing kong from? (which version of OZ are you using as well?) |
| 17:50:02 | mark | AndyQ: latest prerelease, a konq i found kicking about in my ~ :/ |
| 17:50:38 | AndyQ | Any idea where it came from (so I can try installing it on my Z)? |
| 17:50:49 | numatrix | kergoth: Are you planning on putting up a new build soon? |
| 17:53:53 | numatrix | killefiz: try making /dev/sd_slotstat with mknod and then doing an /etc/init.d/sd start; /etc/init.d/sd start; |
| 17:54:19 | numatrix | DaJoker: I'm not now, but I have in the past. |
| 17:54:36 | DaJoker | numatrix: any issues with it? |
| 17:55:04 | killefiz | numatrix: what is the major/minor of /dev/sd_slotstat? |
| 17:55:08 | numatrix | DaJoker: it's finicky about how you enter the WEP key--I forget whether it was case-sensitive, or something else, but there was something wierd about how you had to enter it. Other than that, it worked (this was with sharp rom) |
| 17:55:24 | DaJoker | numatrix: every try it on oz? |
| 17:55:31 | numatrix | DaJoker: nope |
| 17:56:04 | chouimat | I need a beer |
| 17:56:30 | numatrix | killefiz: one sec; I haven't actually done it yet; kergoth incorporated it into his fixes he'll be pushing |
| 18:06:37 | AndyQ | numatrix: What happens if you've installed a load of packages from one feed and ipkg upgrade from another feed? |
| 18:07:46 | kolla | funny quite message form someone nicked mr z80 :) |
| 18:07:50 | kolla | quit |
| 18:07:55 | kolla | from |
| 18:08:40 | NetNut404_work | hmmm the dat and time in the Z keep jumping back to jan 1 2002 |
| 18:08:48 | NetNut404_work | er date |
| 18:09:25 | kolla | yes, silly design flaw imo |
| 18:10:05 | NetNut404_work | design flaw? |
| 18:10:40 | NetNut404_work | you mean you can't get around that? I never had the problem before I switched to openzaurus |
| 18:11:59 | DaJoker | chouimat: ok.. just rebooted into kernel with probe multiple lun turned on.. |
| 18:12:03 | NetNut404_work | if that's the case it seems pretty usless are reminding you of appointments |
| 18:12:11 | DaJoker | and was able to mount my mmc card, no problem.. |
| 18:12:35 | agupta | kergoth you there? |
| 18:12:39 | agupta | Onyx4: ? |
| 18:12:47 | agupta | how do i get my SD to work on the old prerelease |
| 18:12:55 | agupta | i need to create /dev/sd_slotstat or something/ |
| 18:13:07 | chouimat | DaJoker: the SD is on? /dev/sd? |
| 18:13:14 | DaJoker | chouimat: turns up with 3 devices: sda = cf, sdb = smartmedia, sdc = mmc/sd |
| 18:13:30 | NetNut404_work | what is the reson/cause for the time/date jumping back to jan 1 2002 all the time ? |
| 18:13:39 | chouimat | DaJoker: thanks. will go buy the 6in1 this week |
| 18:13:55 | agupta | NetNut404_work some bug, its been worked on |
| 18:14:39 | NetNut404_work | does that mean there is a solution in sight? |
| 18:15:14 | TheMasterMind2 | not sure, i haven't been around. they might have figured it out |
| 18:16:23 | NetNut404_work | hmm seems like a critical bug to me.. had to make appointments when you don't know what day it is LOL |
| 18:16:59 | NetNut404_work | how do find out/who should I ask about the status of the bug? |
| 18:18:18 | TheMasterMind2 | ask kergoth |
| 18:18:43 | TheMasterMind2 | cept he's not around |
| 18:20:59 | TheMasterMind2 | numatrix whats going on with the atd thing? |
| 18:21:07 | kolla | NetNut404_work: what I meant is that I think it's a design flaw that the clock stuff is relying on software to work correctly |
| 18:22:03 | kolla | especially on a device you want ot use for alarms and calendar |
| 18:22:50 | NetNut404_work | yeah that makes sense.. it's crutial to have the time/date stay correct |
| 18:25:23 | mark | is away: I'm busy |
| 18:31:32 | killefiz | numatrix: i tried a major/minor combination i found in my backlog - didn't help. Still no sd automount. |
| 18:39:51 | ciaolinux | where can i find qpe-base? |
| 18:40:08 | AndyQ | opens nice cool beer - mmmmmm |
| 18:44:26 | numatrix | killefiz: Sorry, been away for a few minutes. Without flashing back to a much earlier sharp rom, I can't tell you offhand, all I know is that sdmgr won't load because that device is missing which was a result of the move of the dev file system in the recent OZ builds, but kergoth fixed it in whatever development build he is working on now. |
| 18:45:19 | numatrix | killefiz: try killing klogd and syslogd, rerun them without the silence options they have by default, then run sdmgr and see if you get the No such file or directory error in /var/log/messages if you made the device. Maybe there was another problem. |
| 18:46:34 | killefiz | is it that the /dev directory is created new on every reboot? |
| 18:47:22 | numatrix | killefiz: that could be part of it; kergoth can tell you exactly how he fixed it whenever he gets back. |
| 18:48:10 | killefiz | there is a /boot/dev.tar - i'll try fixing the sd_slotstat in that tarball |
| 18:49:29 | numatrix | killefiz: if that doesn't work try the steps I outlined above; see if sdmgr is still failing with the same issue. |
| 18:49:45 | AndyQ | Anyone any idea when upgrading some packages (i.e. pcmcia-cs) it takes f'kin ages |
| 18:50:26 | AndyQ | I think it does it eventually but I got bored and killed the upgrade :) |
| 18:56:14 | killefiz | numatrix: changing dev.tar solved it - thanks |
| 18:56:50 | killefiz | first time in two months that i have a working zaurus |
| 18:57:40 | ciaolinux | numatrix: i have a similar problem.. if i suspend the Z, it will unmount my SD card, and the only way to use it is to phisically eject it and then replace it... any reason ? |
| 18:58:34 | kolla | that eject on suspend is evil |
| 18:59:03 | ciaolinux | kolla: did you get the same problem? i am experiencing the same thing with both opie and the sharp rom |
| 18:59:16 | kolla | like when I play music off my CF card and suspend occure.. when I wake it app the player hangs there |
| 18:59:49 | kolla | when I wake it up, the player hangs |
| 19:00:06 | kolla | most often it ends up in opie hanging all together |
| 19:00:40 | ciaolinux | kolla: does it depend on the card itself? |
| 19:00:45 | kergoth | ciaolinux: suspend does not unmount |
| 19:00:49 | kergoth | ciaolinux: nor should it |
| 19:01:10 | ciaolinux | kergoth: then it might be my card... that is a bit lousy... i took it from my camcorder |
| 19:01:12 | kolla | kergoth: heh, this isnt what was said here a few weeks ago :) |
| 19:01:38 | ciaolinux | kolla: there should be a search engine for this channel... or a better faq i suppose |
| 19:01:47 | kergoth | kolla: suspend has never unmounted |
| 19:01:54 | | yes, Dessimat0r? |
| 19:01:54 | Dessimat0r | ibot |
| 19:01:55 | kergoth | maybe someone was mistaken |
| 19:01:56 | kergoth | dunno |
| 19:03:12 | ciaolinux | kergoth: it does with me... both with opie and with the sharp rom... but again it might be the card |
| 19:03:38 | kergoth | the ide pcmcia driver is supposed to deal with suspend/resume cleanly |
| 19:03:42 | kolla | kergoth: I just tried |
| 19:03:46 | kolla | I put in the CF card |
| 19:03:51 | kolla | I put in suspend |
| 19:04:25 | kolla | I bring it up and it ejects |
| 19:04:28 | kergoth | if it unmounted on suspend you'd be able to remove the card during a suspend |
| 19:04:32 | kergoth | but thats not the case |
| 19:04:32 | kolla | and re-inserts it |
| 19:04:44 | kergoth | if you remove a card during a suspend bad things will happen cause things arent written |
| 19:04:48 | kergoth | kolla: no. |
| 19:04:51 | kergoth | kolla: *cardmon* thinks something has changed |
| 19:04:53 | kolla | I did not remove the card |
| 19:05:08 | kergoth | bets on cardmon representing a false change of state |
| 19:05:11 | kergoth | i'll dig into it |
| 19:05:59 | KeyserSoze | anyone hook up a usb compact flash reader to a linux machine? |
| 19:06:01 | ciaolinux | kergoth: great... i am having the problem only for the sd... the cf works fine except for the eject thing (doesn't work to me, but i was said that it works in the last prerelease ... i am using the oct 11 one) |
| 19:06:10 | ciaolinux | KeyserSoze: i do |
| 19:06:29 | KeyserSoze | ciaolinux: I'm attempting to follow these instructions: http://home-1.worldonline.nl/~lmb/f_cflinuk.html |
| 19:06:40 | kolla | bah |
| 19:06:44 | kergoth | instructions? |
| 19:06:50 | kergoth | just modprobe usb-storage and mount it |
| 19:06:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:06:53 | kolla | the player was killed when I put it bakc from suspend |
| 19:06:57 | kolla | back |
| 19:07:07 | KeyserSoze | maybe the instructions are making it harder than it needs to be... |
| 19:07:08 | kergoth | kolla: the player gets a signal on suspend, and another on resume, so that it can handle it cleanly |
| 19:07:11 | ciaolinux | KeyserSoze: with mine... i had to change the kernel from .18 to .19 and start working great |
| 19:07:13 | kergoth | kolla: if it isnt, report the bug |
| 19:07:33 | kolla | kergoth: ok |
| 19:07:44 | KeyserSoze | kergoth: I tried just now: modprobe: Can't locate module usb-storage |
| 19:07:48 | ciaolinux | KeyserSoze: what is yours? |
| 19:07:56 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: well, it wont work without the usb storage module |
| 19:08:02 | ciaolinux | KeyserSoze: werll than you need to compile the kernel |
| 19:08:25 | | rumour has it oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 19:08:25 | wazlaf | ibot oz prerelease |
| 19:08:30 | ciaolinux | KeyserSoze: or better the module... make menuconfig etc... |
| 19:08:54 | KeyserSoze | i already looked in "make menuconfig", and it appears that usb-storage is compiled into my kernel. i went in there to make it a module, but it was already marked (and not with an M) |
| 19:08:58 | kergoth | AndyQ: i'm going to do some testing with aqpkg. if its solid and easier to use than oipkg i'll include it in the next oz reelase by default |
| 19:08:59 | ciaolinux | kergoth: is there any doc on how to upgrade an oz? |
| 19:09:04 | kergoth | ciaolinux: ipkg upgrade |
| 19:09:14 | KeyserSoze | how do i know what /dev/xxx to mount? |
| 19:09:26 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: do you have any scsi devices? if not, its sda1 |
| 19:09:27 | ciaolinux | KeyserSoze: it should be /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:09:39 | kergoth | on my box its sdc1 |
| 19:09:39 | ciaolinux | kergoth: depends if you have a zip or something like that |
| 19:09:40 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:09:43 | kergoth | no |
| 19:09:49 | kergoth | it depends on how many scsi devices you have |
| 19:09:59 | ciaolinux | kergoth: sorry... i wanted to say KeyserSoze: depends ... |
| 19:10:06 | KeyserSoze | i did: "cat /proc/scsi/scsi", and got: "Attached devices: |
| 19:10:06 | KeyserSoze | Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 |
| 19:10:06 | KeyserSoze | Vendor: SanDisk Model: ImageMate CF-SM Rev: 0100 |
| 19:10:06 | KeyserSoze | Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 |
| 19:10:06 | KeyserSoze | Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 01 |
| 19:10:07 | KeyserSoze | Vendor: SanDisk Model: ImageMate CF-SM Rev: 0100 |
| 19:10:08 | ciaolinux | yes i know |
| 19:10:09 | KeyserSoze | Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 |
| 19:10:11 | KeyserSoze | " |
| 19:10:15 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: scsi0, its sda1 |
| 19:10:39 | AndyQ | kergoth: cool - I've made a few changes (upgrade works - or will when ipkg works), and you can no upgrade all packages (I hope) |
| 19:10:48 | kergoth | AndyQ: yeah, i saw the commits |
| 19:10:56 | wazlaf | kergoth: has anything changed about the hostap drivers since the first oz prerelease? |
| 19:11:04 | AndyQ | kergoth: Its in CVS or you can grab the latest ipk from http://andyq.myby.co.uk (download section) |
| 19:11:15 | kergoth | wazlaf: the first one? not certain. what are the modules named? |
| 19:11:18 | KeyserSoze | kergoth: which one is sda1? it's a dual reader (CF and smart media), and under windows, both can be in the device at the same time, and they show up as different drives. so shouldn't there be two devices for it under linux? |
| 19:11:21 | kergoth | AndyQ: the oz buildroot builds opie from cvs, so thats easy |
| 19:11:34 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: yeah, there'll be two devices. probably sda1 and sdb1 |
| 19:11:38 | AndyQ | kergoth: OK |
| 19:11:48 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:12:07 | KeyserSoze | kergoth: you say "probably", does that mean i need to try mounting different sdX1, and see what works? |
| 19:12:08 | AndyQ | awaits for comments (with bullet proof vest on :) |
| 19:12:19 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: well, i always say probably :) |
| 19:12:20 | ciaolinux | KeyserSoze: yes you can do that |
| 19:12:28 | wazlaf | kergoth: don't have access to my Z here. but as far as i recall it was "prism" |
| 19:12:37 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: its rare when i have enough information to say it definitively |
| 19:12:47 | kergoth | wazlaf: if its prism2, then there has not been an upgrade to them |
| 19:12:56 | kergoth | wazlaf: well, theres a new hostap version available, but we arent using it yet |
| 19:13:02 | kergoth | wazlaf: because the new version didnt work in my tests |
| 19:13:11 | kergoth | wazlaf: so i backed us up to a known working state |
| 19:13:17 | wazlaf | kergoth: still the problem with network interfaces not coming up? |
| 19:13:30 | kergoth | no |
| 19:13:32 | kergoth | works fine here |
| 19:13:40 | | somebody said oz prerelease was http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 19:13:40 | AndyQ | ibot oz prerelease |
| 19:13:49 | ciaolinux | kergoth: before doing ipkg upgrade i suppose i need to connect the Z on the internet.. do i follow the same instruction as the sharp rom? |
| 19:13:52 | kergoth | ive not a new one here but i'm busy testing ben's network setup app on it |
| 19:13:57 | kergoth | ciaolinux: for the most part. read the FAQ. |
| 19:13:59 | KeyserSoze | what would the filesystem type be, for a card that i never formatted, that's been used in my digital camera? |
| 19:14:04 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: vfat |
| 19:14:10 | KeyserSoze | thanks :) |
| 19:14:12 | kergoth | np |
| 19:14:13 | ciaolinux | kergoth: you mean the oz faq? |
| 19:14:16 | kergoth | ciaolinux: yes |
| 19:14:20 | ciaolinux | kergoth: ok thanks. |
| 19:14:23 | kergoth | np |
| 19:14:36 | scanline | is back (gone 06:15:57) |
| 19:14:49 | ciaolinux | KeyserSoze: does it work now? |
| 19:14:54 | scanline | is away: Dave... my mind is going... |
| 19:15:25 | KeyserSoze | woo hoo! it worked! |
| 19:15:37 | ciaolinux | KeyserSoze: great! have fun now... |
| 19:15:41 | kolla | kergoth: I just did "while true ; do df /mnt/cf ; done > /tmp/cfdf" and did a suspend.. the /tmp/cfdf file clearly shows that /mnt/cf is unmounted |
| 19:15:54 | kolla | and remounted again |
| 19:16:28 | kolla | kergoth: so if you think it should work differently, please feel free to fix it :) |
| 19:16:39 | kergoth | i would if i knew how |
| 19:16:44 | kergoth | i will look into it |
| 19:17:19 | ciaolinux | kolla: does it continue to run even when it is suspended? |
| 19:17:29 | TheMasterMind2 | kergoth ! |
| 19:17:30 | TheMasterMind2 | sup |
| 19:17:33 | kergoth | long day |
| 19:17:35 | kolla | ciaolinux: no, but it continues to run after I wake it up |
| 19:17:36 | kergoth | very long day |
| 19:17:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:17:37 | TheMasterMind2 | kergoth how do i create that /dev/sd thing so it works? |
| 19:17:43 | TheMasterMind2 | kergoth and what's up with this atd time issue |
| 19:17:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: add it to /boot/dev.tar |
| 19:17:49 | kergoth | i dont know about the atd issue |
| 19:17:50 | ciaolinux | kolla: how can you see that it was unmounted |
| 19:17:51 | kergoth | only some people see it |
| 19:17:53 | kergoth | mine works fine |
| 19:18:08 | TheMasterMind2 | kergoth ok, but how do i do it manually right now before i can reflash/upgrade? |
| 19:18:11 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:18:12 | TheMasterMind2 | mknod somethign something |
| 19:18:16 | kolla | ciaolinux: and it shows the /mnt/cf is mounted as / |
| 19:18:20 | kergoth | cat /usr/lib/ipkg/info/sdmmc.postinst |
| 19:18:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:18:27 | kergoth | it created it on install |
| 19:18:28 | kergoth | in /dev |
| 19:18:32 | kergoth | its just not in the tarball |
| 19:18:36 | kergoth | so it gets lost on reboot |
| 19:19:24 | ciaolinux | kolla: can you show me the flood? i will try to do the same with my sd card when i reach my z tonight |
| 19:19:34 | kolla | mf.. |
| 19:20:36 | kolla | ok.. normally.. mounted : /dev/hda1 213423 234234 322342 95% /mnt/cf |
| 19:21:29 | kolla | ok.. when unmounted : /dev/root 2342 2342 23423 82% / |
| 19:21:31 | killefiz | has anyone qtopiadesktop 1.6b for linux working with oz? |
| 19:21:35 | kolla | never mind the numbers |
| 19:22:02 | TheMasterMind2 | kergoth it always mounts my sd as vfat, when its actually ext2 |
| 19:22:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: check /etc/sdcontrol |
| 19:22:17 | TheMasterMind2 | and gtk refuses to compile |
| 19:22:18 | TheMasterMind2 | the pos |
| 19:22:22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: see if its hardcoding the fs |
| 19:22:41 | TheMasterMind2 | gtk sources use gcc even though i told it to use arm-linux |
| 19:23:03 | TheMasterMind2 | i set CC, how am i supposed to tell it to cross copile? |
| 19:23:10 | kergoth | how should i know/ |
| 19:23:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:23:15 | kergoth | i haventl ooked at gtk |
| 19:23:32 | TheMasterMind2 | no, like generally |
| 19:23:36 | TheMasterMind2 | how do you do that with ./configure |
| 19:23:54 | TheMasterMind2 | kergoth yea, for some reason the line that sets teh fstype that was commented before is now not commented |
| 19:24:02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: weird. |
| 19:24:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: alright, i'll fix sdcontrol in oz-base |
| 19:24:34 | kergoth | er |
| 19:24:36 | kergoth | sdmmc i mean |
| 19:24:40 | TheMasterMind2 | ok |
| 19:26:18 | wazlaf | i managed to mess up my modules using a modules-ipk built by oz-buildroot. where can i find the official modules ipk? i can't find it inside the oz prerelease feed |
| 19:26:23 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:26:38 | kergoth | i use the modules built by the buildroot |
| 19:26:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:26:42 | wazlaf | ;) |
| 19:27:02 | wazlaf | i installed the modules ipk and now nothing works anymore ;) |
| 19:27:08 | kergoth | works flawless here |
| 19:27:09 | wazlaf | no usbdnet, wlan :( |
| 19:27:10 | kergoth | built last night |
| 19:27:17 | kergoth | as of around 9pm |
| 19:27:18 | wazlaf | hrmm strange |
| 19:27:21 | TheMasterMind2 | ./configure --build=i686-linux --host=arm-linux |
| 19:27:21 | kolla | wazlaf: ir dialup.. :) |
| 19:27:24 | TheMasterMind2 | is that right? |
| 19:27:30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: yep |
| 19:28:00 | kalldrexx | anyone here used QDirectPainter or QPainter to draw a pixmap onto another pixmap? |
| 19:28:27 | wazlaf | darn. actually /lib/modules/2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix is *empty* |
| 19:28:48 | kergoth | wazlaf: ill upload the modules ipk in a sec |
| 19:29:12 | TheMasterMind2 | kergoth hm, doesn't seem to work, it uses gcc instead of arm-linux-gcc |
| 19:29:12 | TheMasterMind2 | grr |
| 19:34:07 | Onyx4|work | hi im back |
| 19:34:23 | TheMasterMind2 | checking whether the C compiler (gcc -L/zaurus/buildroot/build/xc/lib/X11 -I/zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/include -L |
| 19:34:33 | TheMasterMind2 | /zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/lib ) is a cross-compiler... no |
| 19:35:19 | kalldrexx | hey Onyx4 |
| 19:35:27 | Onyx4|work | hey :) |
| 19:36:07 | Onyx4|work | kergoth: did you had time to look at why umount of devpts failed? |
| 19:36:13 | kergoth | no |
| 19:36:16 | kergoth | i'm working. |
| 19:36:20 | Onyx4|work | heh ok :) |
| 19:36:47 | Onyx4|work | someone earlier was talking about cardmon seeing a false re-insert... |
| 19:36:53 | Onyx4|work | so I wasn't alone to see that thing |
| 19:37:06 | kergoth | yes, kolla sees it |
| 19:37:16 | Onyx4|work | maybe it's because I have an sd card actually |
| 19:37:17 | kergoth | and he prooved its actually unmounting the card on suspend/resume |
| 19:37:27 | kergoth | so the question is, why |
| 19:37:42 | Onyx4|work | mmmm yes interesting |
| 19:37:46 | kolla | Onyx4|work: what do you mean "false"? :) |
| 19:37:58 | kolla | right |
| 19:38:03 | Onyx4|work | well I thought that cardmon cannot eject/insert, it just report states |
| 19:38:14 | kergoth | thats correct. |
| 19:38:20 | kergoth | *something* is unmounting the card |
| 19:38:22 | kergoth | *not* cardmon. |
| 19:38:25 | kolla | mm |
| 19:38:27 | kergoth | cardmon reads text files. thats it. |
| 19:38:28 | kergoth | period |
| 19:38:29 | Onyx4|work | but cardmon already has the weird behavior that if I insert my SD card, and CF card, then it says "sd removed" even if it's still in |
| 19:38:37 | Onyx4|work | I filed a bug on that |
| 19:38:40 | kergoth | did you put that one in mantis? |
| 19:38:41 | Onyx4|work | never got looked at yet tough |
| 19:38:41 | kergoth | okay, good |
| 19:38:49 | Onyx4|work | they don't see it on ipaq |
| 19:38:53 | Onyx4|work | so it's something oz specific |
| 19:40:04 | kolla | rm /etc/rc*/*sd is what I do :) |
| 19:40:44 | TheMasterMind2 | you think i can compile opengl for the Z? |
| 19:40:45 | kolla | prefer to mount the sd card manually |
| 19:40:45 | TheMasterMind2 | on X |
| 19:40:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: what benefits would it get you? |
| 19:40:58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind2: theres no hardware acceleration] |
| 19:40:58 | TheMasterMind2 | opengl apps on the Z |
| 19:41:01 | TheMasterMind2 | yea |
| 19:41:02 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:41:04 | TheMasterMind2 | thats' true |
| 19:41:04 | kergoth | at about 1fps |
| 19:41:05 | TheMasterMind2 | but still |
| 19:41:06 | kergoth | woo |
| 19:41:07 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:41:08 | TheMasterMind2 | heh |
| 19:41:16 | TheMasterMind2 | its better than no opengl |
| 19:42:01 | TheMasterMind2 | ${CC-cc} |
| 19:42:03 | TheMasterMind2 | what's taht? |
| 19:44:06 | TheMasterMind2 | cross_compiling=$ac_cv_prog_cc_cross |
| 19:44:09 | TheMasterMind2 | whats that mean |
| 19:45:16 | wazlaf | kergoth: never mind about those modules - got it to work myself now |
| 19:51:40 | kergoth | wazlaf: okay good |
| 19:52:52 | wazlaf | kergoth: no not really ;) |
| 19:52:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:53:20 | wazlaf | kergoth: i am missing prism2.o (hostap.o exists) |
| 19:53:21 | TheMasterMind2 | aha! |
| 19:53:23 | TheMasterMind2 | i got it kergoth |
| 19:53:28 | TheMasterMind2 | the debian sources work much better |
| 19:53:30 | TheMasterMind2 | i love debian |
| 19:53:31 | Onyx4|work | do you think I could build a gcc crosscompiler on IRIX for ARM processor? |
| 19:53:54 | Onyx4|work | that way I could build parallel OZ on a 128 cpu machine :) |
| 19:54:27 | prpplague | kergoth: you get that email? |
| 19:55:08 | TheMasterMind2 | anyway |
| 19:55:09 | TheMasterMind2 | later |
| 19:56:40 | ljp_work | hmm TCX |
| 19:57:09 | Onyx4|work | oh kergoth, once other thing I noticed... the kernel modules don't get upgraded from OZ 2.9.5.5 not sure if that's wanted |
| 19:57:15 | prpplague | ljp_work: tcx? |
| 19:57:17 | Onyx4|work | s/once/one |
| 19:57:40 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: they havent changed |
| 19:57:49 | ljp_work | TCX at zsi |
| 19:57:52 | kergoth | prpplague: yes, got it, and jeanne opened a change request with engineering |
| 19:57:54 | Onyx4|work | oh ok I thought we changed some things |
| 19:57:59 | mark | kergoth: any idea about that spawning too quickly error? |
| 19:58:03 | kergoth | wazlaf: you're on a wrong kernel-modules build |
| 19:58:11 | kergoth | mark: what spawning too rapidly error? |
| 19:58:49 | prpplague | kergoth: wow, i suspected it would get stuck in "evalutation meetings" |
| 19:58:51 | | rumour has it xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) or ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-3.2.tar.bz2 or be sure and read the install notes |
| 19:58:51 | Onyx4|work | ibot: xcompile |
| 19:59:27 | kergoth | prpplague: well, we'll see what happens from here :) she mentioned the buyback in the change request, and every change request thats opened notifies the sales people that can push this for us |
| 19:59:42 | wazlaf | kergoth: wrong kernel-modules build?? sounds bad, how can i fix it? ;) |
| 19:59:46 | Onyx4|work | cool they have sources for the toolchain heh |
| 19:59:55 | kergoth | wazlaf: using bk? snapshots? what? |
| 20:00:15 | wazlaf | kergoth: bk pull? |
| 20:00:23 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:00:24 | wazlaf | kergoth: haven't updated it for a couple of days |
| 20:00:25 | kergoth | you're behind |
| 20:00:29 | wazlaf | ok ;) |
| 20:00:30 | kergoth | i reverted our hostap version |
| 20:00:32 | kergoth | to the stable one |
| 20:01:30 | Onyx4|work | btw my feed is all up to date |
| 20:01:53 | killefiz | Onyx4|work: including a working oz-base? |
| 20:01:55 | mark | kergoth: got a console error while using Konqueror that said "Init: process "1" spawning too quickly, frozen for 5 minutes' or somethign |
| 20:02:08 | kergoth | mark: i need the exact error. |
| 20:02:28 | kergoth | which process is respawning too rapidLY? |
| 20:02:29 | umopapisdn | Hey! How are things going with the new release? |
| 20:02:36 | kergoth | umopapisdn: some quirks.. |
| 20:02:44 | kergoth | umopapisdn: suspend/resume bug with ide cards |
| 20:02:49 | mark | kergoth: i've lost it i'mafraid, it may be in your irc buffer, I sent it while you were away, my client crashed |
| 20:02:53 | kergoth | umopapisdn: beyond that its pretty solid |
| 20:02:55 | kergoth | mark: ah |
| 20:02:57 | Onyx4|work | killefiz: yes |
| 20:03:07 | kergoth | mark: well, that indicates that something is dying immediately after init executes it |
| 20:03:18 | kergoth | mark: sounds like your getty isnt spawning on tty1, which means your devices got messed |
| 20:03:26 | umopapisdn | kergoth: Hmmm, i don't have any problems on mine... |
| 20:03:40 | mark | kergoth: right. why should it happen suddenly while browsing with konq and not before? |
| 20:03:41 | kergoth | umopapisdn: me neither |
| 20:03:45 | Onyx4|work | killefiz: but if you run the version with the /var/dev hacks, im not sure oz-base can upgrade fine to that... |
| 20:03:45 | kergoth | mark: no idea.. |
| 20:03:51 | kergoth | mark: actually, you probably had it before |
| 20:03:55 | Onyx4|work | we completely reversted the /var/dev thing for a ramdisk now |
| 20:04:05 | mark | kergoth: could explain my freeze ups |
| 20:04:05 | kergoth | mark: those messages would be going to vt1, opie runs on vt2.. you'd never see them |
| 20:04:50 | killefiz | Onyx4|work: i'm running the latest prerelease so that should not be a problem |
| 20:04:50 | mark | right, so opie crashed and dropped the fb or somethign and then those messages started comnming through ontop? |
| 20:05:33 | kergoth | mark: when opie exits the opie startup script, which is still running, returns you to vt1 where a getty is waiting for you, so you can lgin |
| 20:05:36 | kergoth | login |
| 20:06:12 | mark | kergoth: i didn't get an opportunity to log in, nothing was responding to any input, couldn't ping it etc. |
| 20:06:18 | kergoth | i know |
| 20:06:20 | Onyx4|work | killefiz: correct |
| 20:06:21 | kergoth | er |
| 20:06:23 | kergoth | you couldnt ping? |
| 20:06:24 | kergoth | thats weird |
| 20:06:25 | kergoth | hrm |
| 20:06:40 | chouimat | kergoth: fix the ram disk problem? |
| 20:06:50 | mark | kergoth: i'll try and replicate |
| 20:07:31 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah, i'll push it in a sec |
| 20:11:50 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 20:11:50 | nasa | ibot oz prerelease |
| 20:13:39 | ciaolinux | kergoth: is there something like dselect? |
| 20:20:06 | kergoth | ciaolinux: for ipkg? just use oipkg. |
| 20:21:01 | nasa | hi |
| 20:21:22 | nasa | kergoth: you ever notice/fix problems with addressbook and appearance? |
| 20:21:40 | kergoth | nasa: nope. didnt have a chance |
| 20:24:39 | nasa | I have noticed one other problem -- very, very slight... It might not even have to do with oz.... Playing around with tkcvideo I would cause a 'D' process if I suspened the Z with it running. |
| 20:25:03 | kergoth | nasa: probably it not handling suspend/resume right.. but dont report it to them yet. |
| 20:25:05 | nasa | Side note: 'D' process can not be recovered from -- a soft reboot is necessary |
| 20:25:21 | nasa | Ok |
| 20:26:12 | umopapisdn | kergoth: Who's having problem so far with the prerelease and suspend/ide stuff? Alot of people? |
| 20:26:22 | kergoth | umopapisdn: numatrix and dessimat0r |
| 20:26:29 | kergoth | umopapisdn: possibly onyx4 as well, not certain |
| 20:26:38 | ciaolinux | kergoth: also me... |
| 20:26:52 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:26:54 | kergoth | ciaolinux too |
| 20:26:56 | kergoth | hm |
| 20:26:59 | nasa | kergoth: a problem, I haven't seen -- how strange... |
| 20:27:05 | umopapisdn | ciaolinux: What card do you have ? and size? and how is it formatted? just curious. |
| 20:27:08 | kergoth | umopapisdn: for some reason, it appears our cards are being unmounted on suspend |
| 20:27:30 | ciaolinux | umopapisdn: i have tried with few... one of those was mrflash... all of them fat16 |
| 20:27:34 | kergoth | umopapisdn: strikes me as odd, but maybe thats how its supposed to work |
| 20:28:07 | ciaolinux | kergoth: i get that problem only with the sd card... for the cf card, it wouldn't umount it, but if i do it manually it would work |
| 20:28:07 | umopapisdn | kergoth: What happens really after a suspend when the Z is turned back on? What's executed? |
| 20:28:22 | kergoth | umopapisdn: nothing should be. cardmgr picks up a resume event and calls the pcmcia scripts |
| 20:29:13 | umopapisdn | ciaolinux: you're using a 5000 or a 5500 zaurus? |
| 20:29:23 | ciaolinux | 5000 |
| 20:29:39 | ciaolinux | umopapisdn: and the oct11 prerelease |
| 20:29:53 | umopapisdn | ciaolinux: not the oct15 ? |
| 20:30:05 | ciaolinux | not yet |
| 20:30:18 | umopapisdn | ciaolinux: I had problems with the oct11 release too, but they were gone with the oct15. |
| 20:30:20 | ciaolinux | so i don't know if il still have a problem with that! :-) |
| 20:31:56 | numatrix | umopapisdn: I'm here. |
| 20:32:01 | numatrix | Just spent a few minutes reading the logs. |
| 20:32:22 | umopapisdn | numatrix: Are you having suspend/ide problems with the new prerelease? |
| 20:32:33 | numatrix | umopapisdn: I'm still running the last one from the 11th, but yeah. |
| 20:33:02 | umopapisdn | numatrix: ok, just checking, so two of the 3 people with problems are running the oct11 release and not the oct15... :) |
| 20:33:43 | numatrix | umopapisdn: I'll flash to the 15th real quick then... |
| 20:33:53 | kergoth | AndyQ: ping :) |
| 20:33:56 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: around? |
| 20:33:58 | AndyQ | pong |
| 20:34:13 | kergoth | AndyQ: i've used aqpkg now :) |
| 20:34:15 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, anyone know why build/xc/include/X11 doesn't exist |
| 20:34:19 | kergoth | AndyQ: its nifty, i like it. easy to use |
| 20:34:23 | AndyQ | kergoth: and....phew! |
| 20:34:31 | umopapisdn | kergoth: not so sure anymore if there really are any problems with suspend on the latest release. |
| 20:34:32 | | Replacement program for uptime.. URL: http://www.burdell.org/up.php3 |
| 20:34:32 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: what up? |
| 20:34:32 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:34:37 | kergoth | AndyQ: minor user interface thing, the double tap to drop down the description.. seems odd, but intuitive |
| 20:34:53 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: why doesn't build/xc/include/X11 exist |
| 20:34:55 | AndyQ | kergoth: I'm just adding a feature to just to packages starting with (the letter you push) |
| 20:34:55 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: the includes for tinyx are suppose to be in xc/exports/include |
| 20:34:58 | kergoth | AndyQ: it screws with the existing ipkg.conf, thats bad, it shouldnt *add* entries .. it should only use whats already there, and allow the user to add/remove them |
| 20:35:16 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: ah! ok thanks |
| 20:35:17 | AndyQ | kergoth: well that feature (double tap) was copied from iopkg |
| 20:35:20 | ciaolinux | umopapisdn: you just 'ipkg upgrade' ? |
| 20:35:24 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: i started moving the includes and libs in stagging, but i've not ci yet |
| 20:35:27 | AndyQ | kergoth: what do you mean, add entries? |
| 20:35:41 | kergoth | AndyQ: well, how did familiar unstable get there? OZ doesnt come with that feed setup by default. |
| 20:35:50 | umopapisdn | ciaolinux: I did a flash.. I guess you should ask kergoth if the upgrade is possible. |
| 20:35:58 | | numatrix: huh? |
| 20:35:58 | numatrix | ibot: prerelease |
| 20:35:58 | wazlaf | kergoth: heureka it works |
| 20:36:03 | kergoth | wazlaf: nice |
| 20:36:17 | AndyQ | Oh yes it does (well, it was in the ipkg.conf that got installed when I flashed current prerelease OZ |
| 20:36:36 | AndyQ | kergoth: Oh yes it does (well, it was in the ipkg.conf that got installed when I flashed current prerelease OZ) |
| 20:36:46 | kergoth | ah, its in there, but commented out |
| 20:36:48 | kergoth | does it handle that? |
| 20:36:59 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: ok cool |
| 20:37:11 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:37:25 | TheMasterMind1 | w00t |
| 20:37:27 | TheMasterMind1 | gtk is compiling |
| 20:37:28 | TheMasterMind1 | sweeeeeeeeet |
| 20:37:38 | TheMasterMind1 | and it died! |
| 20:37:38 | AndyQ | kergoth: yup, coz you can only have one src uncommented (I think) so all others get commented out |
| 20:37:50 | kergoth | hrm |
| 20:38:00 | kergoth | AndyQ: so you cant do an upgrade all from any available packages on any available feed? |
| 20:38:07 | kergoth | AndyQ: ipkg upgrade loads packages from all known sources |
| 20:38:11 | TheMasterMind1 | arm-linux-gcc: /zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/lib/.libs/libglib.so: No such file or directory |
| 20:38:11 | kergoth | is confused |
| 20:38:12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:38:12 | TheMasterMind1 | curious |
| 20:38:24 | AndyQ | I didn't think ipkg worked that way |
| 20:38:25 | kergoth | .libs? odd |
| 20:38:32 | kergoth | AndyQ: ipkg update loads info from all feeds |
| 20:38:48 | kergoth | AndyQ: ipkg upgrade upgrades from any location it knows about |
| 20:38:54 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: gtk needs glib, we can use the one in the buildroot already yes? |
| 20:38:58 | AndyQ | kergoth: If it does then I'll change that but I though you could only have one src uncommented at any one time |
| 20:39:01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes |
| 20:40:06 | AndyQ | kergoth: if you can have lots of feeds, does ipkg check which feed to download from? |
| 20:40:24 | AndyQ | kergoth: and what happens if the same package is available in different feeds (different versions as well)? |
| 20:40:24 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: gtk? you gonna due gpe? |
| 20:40:25 | kergoth | AndyQ: it grabs the latest version of each package in question, regardless of its source. |
| 20:41:04 | AndyQ | kergoth: So if I have 2.3 in one feed and 2.4 in another its clever enough to know that 2.4 is later? |
| 20:41:08 | kergoth | AndyQ: yes. |
| 20:41:17 | kergoth | AndyQ: and thats the one it'll download and install |
| 20:41:23 | AndyQ | oh cool - ok I'll sort that out now |
| 20:41:46 | kergoth | AndyQ: one thing.. you allow showing ipks that are local.. would the upgrade function take that into account? that could be a bitch.. |
| 20:42:15 | kergoth | AndyQ: i'd say 'upgrade' just runs ipkg upgrade, and doesnt load anything from the local DocLnk's |
| 20:42:37 | kergoth | AndyQ: but qpkg's interface is cool, i like it alot, and i'd rather include this than oipkg in oz |
| 20:42:40 | AndyQ | upgrade does just run ipkg upgrade |
| 20:42:51 | kergoth | AndyQ: so if you can get this feed situation dealt with, it'll make it into 2.9.7 |
| 20:43:01 | AndyQ | workin on it... |
| 20:43:30 | kergoth | thanks |
| 20:43:31 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:43:34 | wazlaf | kergoth: something must have changed inside the prism2 driver |
| 20:43:45 | kergoth | wazlaf: from when to when? |
| 20:43:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:43:55 | wazlaf | kergoth: it used to keep doing these unsuccessful card resets |
| 20:43:57 | wazlaf | kergoth: now they work |
| 20:44:01 | wazlaf | kergoth: :-) |
| 20:44:02 | kergoth | oh yeah |
| 20:44:08 | kergoth | i dont remember how that got fixed |
| 20:44:10 | kergoth | but it did |
| 20:44:11 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:44:18 | wazlaf | kergoth: thats all that matters :) |
| 20:44:21 | numatrix | kergoth: You have a new image you're testing now? |
| 20:44:39 | kergoth | numatrix: yeah. but its not avail yet cause i'm testing out networksetup instead of netsetup, and aqpkg instead of oipkg |
| 20:45:01 | kergoth | aqpkg is just about there |
| 20:45:06 | kergoth | and networksetup isnt *quite* ready |
| 20:45:11 | kergoth | so i'll hack on networksetup some |
| 20:45:22 | numatrix | kergoth: Mind sending it to me? I'd like to test out ben's app as well, and I'm just about to upgrade to test out and see if the cf issue happens on a new image. |
| 20:45:31 | kergoth | numatrix: okay, hold up |
| 20:45:35 | numatrix | sure |
| 20:46:35 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: so what are current issues that need to be dealt with before this thing releases |
| 20:47:28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the reported ide suspend/resume shit |
| 20:47:36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and the atd thing only certain people see |
| 20:47:43 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:47:43 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 20:47:49 | numatrix | Are you going to try to wait for apkg and networksetup as well? |
| 20:47:50 | kergoth | thats it |
| 20:47:59 | kergoth | numatrix: i would like to. they're a lot easier to use |
| 20:48:00 | TheMasterMind1 | i compiled gtk :oD |
| 20:48:02 | TheMasterMind1 | w00t |
| 20:48:06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nice |
| 20:48:39 | ljp_work | I fixed advancedfm today, so you might update that too |
| 20:48:39 | nasa | kergoth: is apkg going to replace oipkg? |
| 20:48:50 | kergoth | nasa: they're seperate apps |
| 20:48:55 | kergoth | nasa: they'll coexist in opie |
| 20:49:02 | kergoth | nasa: its just a matter of which to preinstall in the oz rom |
| 20:49:08 | kergoth | ljp_work: yep, already did :) |
| 20:49:18 | ljp_work | cool, thxk |
| 20:49:58 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i like debian/*.files |
| 20:49:58 | chouimat | kergoth: did you push ? |
| 20:50:03 | TheMasterMind1 | tells me exactly what to package |
| 20:50:03 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 20:50:13 | numatrix | kergoth: cool; finally got the startup screen fixed again. |
| 20:50:17 | kergoth | chouimat: hold, bout to |
| 20:50:40 | kergoth | numatrix: uploading the testing image |
| 20:52:21 | Onyx4|work | numatrix: startup screen? |
| 20:52:37 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: 'please wait' after opie-login is placed right now |
| 20:52:43 | numatrix | Onyx4|work: yeah, the opie waiting screen. It was mis-sized in a few of the prereleases. |
| 20:52:58 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 20:53:12 | kergoth | numatrix: sadman made a bunch of improvements |
| 20:53:25 | kergoth | sandman |
| 20:53:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:53:31 | numatrix | kergoth: Hmmm.. Not good. I just used the 15th rom and in that one when I suspend and resume, the CF card pops up as ejected, then STAYS ejected. Doesn't show it as inserted again... |
| 20:53:59 | kergoth | did it get mounted? |
| 20:54:02 | numatrix | it is still mounted though |
| 20:54:02 | kergoth | cardmon is *not* god |
| 20:54:04 | numatrix | yeah |
| 20:54:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:54:06 | umopapisdn | numatrix: did you do a "ipkg upgrade" or a flash? |
| 20:54:07 | kergoth | okay, good |
| 20:54:25 | TheMasterMind1 | yea cardmon needs a smacking |
| 20:54:29 | TheMasterMind1 | does someone maintain it? |
| 20:54:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its harlekins |
| 20:54:49 | numatrix | yeah, then a umount and an eject/insert and it's back in business. I'm going to try the suspend again see if I get the same behavior. |
| 20:55:03 | kergoth | numatrix: wait, you had to unmount to use it? i thought it was mounted? |
| 20:55:14 | numatrix | kergoth: It was; I wanted cardmon to show it. ;-) |
| 20:55:22 | numatrix | Man, I really wish we had a dedicated power button. :-( |
| 20:55:55 | kergoth | okay good. |
| 20:56:01 | Bovine | heh |
| 20:56:01 | kergoth | numatrix: any other suspend issues? the ide issue? |
| 20:56:20 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 20:56:20 | Bovine | ibot oz prerelease |
| 20:56:26 | nasa | kergoth: don't forget the addressbook prob.... |
| 20:56:29 | kergoth | Bovine: new one coming soon |
| 20:56:31 | numatrix | just ide: I assume sd is still broken |
| 20:56:33 | kergoth | nasa: hold, let me check it |
| 20:56:43 | kergoth | numatrix: sd should be fine.. in theory :) |
| 20:57:02 | nasa | I am using it -- with good results.... |
| 20:57:03 | numatrix | oh yeah, that does fix it; right. sd_slotstat is there. let me give it a whirl. |
| 20:57:07 | Bovine | any show stoppers with this pre release? |
| 20:57:15 | kergoth | nasa: just ran addressbook, datebook, todo w/ no probs |
| 20:57:16 | kergoth | numatrix: k |
| 20:57:20 | kergoth | Bovine: not thaatt i know of |
| 20:57:28 | Bovine | cool, I'll try this then :) |
| 20:57:30 | kergoth | Bovine: well, that last one had a coupel quirks, but not many |
| 20:57:33 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: whats the address book prob |
| 20:58:00 | nasa | TheMasterMind1: I get a undefined symbol: fields__80Contact error |
| 20:58:18 | numatrix | kergoth: The problem where if an SD card is already inserted and a CF card is inserted, the SD disappears is showing up still. |
| 20:58:34 | numatrix | card is still inserted, just disappears in cardmon |
| 20:58:35 | kergoth | numatrix: http://openzaurus.sf.net/unofficial/unstable/kergoth/initrd.bin .. note this has aqpkg instead of oipkg, and networksetup instead of netsetup.. network setup is known not to save the wireless.opts |
| 20:58:45 | numatrix | ok |
| 20:58:47 | nadav | ooh |
| 20:58:49 | nadav | i might try it also |
| 20:58:56 | nadav | does it fix todo? |
| 20:59:46 | kergoth | todo works fine |
| 21:00:10 | nadav | okay |
| 21:01:38 | AndyQ | kergoth: What should I do about commented out servers - ignore them and allow their status to be changed in settings? |
| 21:02:01 | AndyQ | kergoth: or just ignore them and get user to manually uncomment them |
| 21:02:03 | kergoth | AndyQ: hmm given the way your interface is designed, yeah, i'd not put them in the dropdown and let them change it in settings |
| 21:02:06 | kergoth | er |
| 21:02:08 | kergoth | thats possible too |
| 21:02:12 | kergoth | shit, etiher way. your call :) |
| 21:02:34 | AndyQ | kergoth: well, 2nd way is quicker (for now, I can do it properly later :), |
| 21:02:55 | kergoth | AndyQ: okay, cool |
| 21:02:57 | TheMasterMind1 | arsenic:/zaurus/gaim/gaim-0.59.4/sounds# ./au2h |
| 21:02:57 | TheMasterMind1 | -bash: ./au2h: cannot execute binary file |
| 21:02:59 | TheMasterMind1 | beh! |
| 21:03:09 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:03:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't even want sound! |
| 21:03:18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: compiled it for arm, id say |
| 21:03:36 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ah, doh :) |
| 21:03:41 | TheMasterMind1 | it compiles for arm |
| 21:03:44 | TheMasterMind1 | then runs on the box |
| 21:03:44 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:03:50 | TheMasterMind1 | need to get around that |
| 21:03:51 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 21:03:57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: most buildsystems have two variables you can define |
| 21:04:06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: a HOSTCC or CC_FOR_BUILD or whatever for the build machine |
| 21:04:10 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 21:04:16 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm thinking getting debian sources is better |
| 21:04:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: sounds like you need to set that, so that it knows what gcc to run for things it needs to run locally |
| 21:04:24 | TheMasterMind1 | since they fix all this shit and get it compiling for arm anyway |
| 21:04:28 | TheMasterMind1 | why bother with fixing it again |
| 21:04:40 | benmeyer | Can someone cat me there interfaces file? |
| 21:04:49 | | YES |
| 21:04:49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: no? |
| 21:05:35 | umopapisdn | benmeyer: which one is that? |
| 21:05:45 | kergoth | umopapisdn: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:05:59 | | no idea, themastermind1 |
| 21:05:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: yes? |
| 21:06:02 | | YES |
| 21:06:02 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot no? |
| 21:06:09 | | wish i knew, nadav |
| 21:06:09 | nadav | ibot yes? |
| 21:06:12 | kolla | kergoth: another thing I find.. strange.. when I kill cardmgr, it also dismounts the CF card |
| 21:06:17 | | OK, TheMasterMind1. |
| 21:06:17 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot yes is <reply> NO |
| 21:06:19 | TheMasterMind1 | yes? |
| 21:06:21 | kergoth | kolla: dont do that? :P |
| 21:06:25 | | TheMasterMind1: i'm not following you... |
| 21:06:25 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot yes/ |
| 21:06:26 | | i haven't a clue, themastermind1 |
| 21:06:26 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot yes? |
| 21:06:32 | | OK, TheMasterMind1. |
| 21:06:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot yes? is <reply> NO |
| 21:06:34 | | NO |
| 21:06:34 | TheMasterMind1 | yes? |
| 21:06:36 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 21:07:02 | nasa | kergoth: I also have noted a library problem with the appearance app --- undefined symbol: __130FontSelectorbP70WidgetPCcUi |
| 21:07:30 | kergoth | nasa: appearance works, verifeid |
| 21:07:48 | TheMasterMind1 | debian rocks |
| 21:07:52 | nasa | kergoth: and nothing with those has been updated? |
| 21:07:54 | kergoth | hugs apt-get |
| 21:08:04 | kergoth | nasa: dont know. there was a change to addressbook. |
| 21:08:07 | nadav | hm |
| 21:08:30 | nadav | kergoth: what bootflag should i use with your initrd? |
| 21:08:41 | kergoth | nadav: anything |
| 21:08:44 | kergoth | echo BLAH > bootflag.txt |
| 21:08:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:08:51 | nadav | haha |
| 21:08:52 | nadav | ok |
| 21:09:31 | nadav | goes to download a kernel |
| 21:09:34 | nadav | why do i never save these things fs? |
| 21:09:49 | ljp_work | is there a runlevel named BLAH? ;) |
| 21:09:55 | numatrix | Sweet; the arrow keys work correctly in the shutdown app too. |
| 21:10:01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm, seems like ./configure; make -C sounds CC=gcc is the way to go :) |
| 21:10:57 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: when you're done, why don't you compile screen for the zaurus. That would be nice. |
| 21:11:17 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hey, for gtk and stuff, should i use make install and set the prefix to staging beforehand? |
| 21:11:24 | TheMasterMind1 | or copy files that are needed only |
| 21:11:56 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess i might as well copy the files |
| 21:12:06 | TheMasterMind1 | since i have to figure out the ones needed anyway to do the ipk |
| 21:12:34 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 21:12:34 | Dessimat0r | ibot oz prerelease |
| 21:12:56 | TheMasterMind1 | also, i tried to get gtk compiling with the stuff installed by glib in staging, but it bitches. if i just give it the source dir of glib, it works |
| 21:13:09 | TheMasterMind1 | so i'll make that a variable that you need to change if glib version changes... |
| 21:13:34 | TheMasterMind1 | or maybe ill figure out the problem |
| 21:13:42 | TheMasterMind1 | everything that needs glib is giving this error |
| 21:13:44 | TheMasterMind1 | arm-linux-gcc: /zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/lib/.libs/libglib.so: No such file or directory |
| 21:13:47 | TheMasterMind1 | while compiling |
| 21:13:49 | | Now, let's SEND OUT for QUICHE!! |
| 21:13:49 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 21:14:03 | TheMasterMind1 | including gaim, which doesn't let me set the glib source dir and do it, so i'll have to fix it |
| 21:14:03 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 21:14:30 | | But Ken says, WOO-WOO!! No credit at "Mr. Liquor"!! |
| 21:14:30 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 21:15:17 | TheMasterMind1 | aha |
| 21:15:17 | TheMasterMind1 | got it |
| 21:15:21 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks glib |
| 21:15:54 | TheMasterMind1 | cp -a $(SourceTree)/.libs/ $(STAGING_DIR)/usr/lib/ |
| 21:15:58 | TheMasterMind1 | will that work as i want it to? |
| 21:16:06 | TheMasterMind1 | make a dir called .libs/ inside /usr/lib/ ? |
| 21:16:23 | kergoth | should |
| 21:17:47 | TheMasterMind1 | great |
| 21:21:37 | TheMasterMind1 | /usr/lib/libnsl.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 21:21:37 | TheMasterMind1 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 21:21:38 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:21:46 | TheMasterMind1 | its using ld for some reason, instead of arm-linux-ld |
| 21:21:53 | kergoth | thats fine |
| 21:21:59 | kergoth | the problem is its looking in /usr/lib |
| 21:22:03 | kergoth | fix that, and all will be well |
| 21:22:20 | numatrix | kergoth: There's no LAN connection in networksetup ? |
| 21:22:24 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 21:22:31 | TheMasterMind1 | i see it now |
| 21:23:22 | kergoth | numatrix: if you insert a lan card, there is |
| 21:23:25 | kergoth | numatrix: :) |
| 21:23:36 | numatrix | ahhh.. |
| 21:23:38 | numatrix | so tricky. ;-) |
| 21:23:42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:23:49 | kergoth | see, this one is so intuitive |
| 21:23:55 | kergoth | that the old unintuitive one got us thinking wrong |
| 21:23:56 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:23:58 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: is there a general/easy way to stop it from looking in /usr/lib or is it build specific |
| 21:24:27 | numatrix | kinda minor; but it might be nice if the launcher app told you it was going to reload opie for you... |
| 21:24:31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ? find out which variable you need to set to remove -L/usr/lib from its link line |
| 21:24:38 | kergoth | numatrix: mantis |
| 21:24:41 | kergoth | numatrix: report it |
| 21:25:33 | wazlaf_ | what's "!dratsab"?? |
| 21:25:37 | numatrix | kergoth: will do. fyi, cardmon works fine when a CF card is in and an SD card is in; it's only when the CF is ide that it drops the sd. |
| 21:25:48 | kergoth | numatrix: weird. |
| 21:25:56 | Onyx4|work | what package provides the "pushd" command in debian? |
| 21:25:57 | kergoth | numatrix: something with the interaction when it parses mtab eh |
| 21:26:13 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: pushd is a shell builtin |
| 21:26:23 | Onyx4|work | mmm |
| 21:26:32 | Onyx4|work | maybe I need to use bash then |
| 21:26:39 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:26:39 | Onyx4|work | rather than sh |
| 21:26:43 | kergoth | hugs bash |
| 21:26:43 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: its GLIB_LIBS and two other GLIB_* vars |
| 21:26:54 | AndyQ | kergoth: OK, changes have been made - should compile and work (does on mine) |
| 21:26:55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so override them on the commandline.. or something |
| 21:27:01 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:27:02 | TheMasterMind1 | fine |
| 21:27:03 | kergoth | AndyQ: woot. committed? |
| 21:27:07 | chouimat | just found a 4x4 to smacks kergoth |
| 21:27:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:27:11 | AndyQ | kergoth: yes - I just have to hope ipkg works with versions correctly |
| 21:27:12 | kergoth | uh oh |
| 21:27:14 | kergoth | AndyQ: k |
| 21:27:23 | kergoth | cvs up -Pd |
| 21:27:25 | chouimat | kergoth: :) |
| 21:27:39 | AndyQ | kergoth: you've also got basic jump to as well (on a roll - wifes not happy though - i've abandoned her tonight :) |
| 21:27:49 | kergoth | AndyQ: hah |
| 21:27:57 | Onyx4|work | It'd be real nice if I can get cross-compile to work on MIPS/IRIX |
| 21:28:05 | kergoth | AndyQ: go spend some well deserved time with the wife after this :) |
| 21:28:06 | Onyx4|work | then I could build opie in like minutes |
| 21:29:17 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i can just do VAR=blah VARVAR=blah make |
| 21:29:17 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 21:29:27 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 21:29:49 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4|work: build yourself a cross compiler |
| 21:30:18 | Onyx4|work | that's what I'm doing, i'm downloading the source for the same one we use |
| 21:30:23 | Onyx4|work | and using their script to build it |
| 21:30:42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: make VAR=blah VARVAR=blah is better |
| 21:30:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: make prioritizes cmdline more than environment |
| 21:31:07 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: i'm adding crosscompiler build to the buildroot soon |
| 21:31:12 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: tried that too, doesn't seem to change anything |
| 21:31:18 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: for both 3.2 + glibc 2.3.1, and 2.95.4 + glibc 2.2.5 |
| 21:31:24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: well, no idea then. |
| 21:31:35 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:31:45 | Onyx4|work | kergoth: ha, that'd be interesting too ... |
| 21:32:16 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: course i'll have to handle if they enable building both toolchains.. and have a way for them to select which toolchain to use (aka which item to add to PATH) |
| 21:33:30 | nasa | kergoth: what is the latest oz-base? Unstable-14d or 14b? |
| 21:33:30 | Onyx4|work | correct yeah |
| 21:34:00 | kergoth | nasa: unstable-14f is latest. |
| 21:34:01 | chouimat | nasa: I have 14c here |
| 21:34:02 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:34:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:34:22 | chouimat | kergoth: the ramdisk is it fixed ? |
| 21:34:43 | kergoth | chouimat: no. not sure why. looking into it now |
| 21:34:49 | Onyx4|work | toolchain should be easy to build using ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/src-2.95.3/build-toolchain |
| 21:34:52 | TheMasterMind1 | GLIB_CFLAGS=`$GLIB_CONFIG $glib_config_args --cflags` |
| 21:34:52 | TheMasterMind1 | GLIB_LIBS=`$GLIB_CONFIG $glib_config_args --libs` |
| 21:34:54 | nasa | Reason I ask, I am doing a 'ipkg upgrade' from the unstable feed and it said upgrading -14d to -14b.... |
| 21:34:56 | chouimat | kergoth: major,minor 31,0 here |
| 21:34:58 | TheMasterMind1 | it uses the file glib-config to set those vars |
| 21:34:59 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: i know, i'm swiping other peoples build commadns :) |
| 21:35:04 | kergoth | chouimat: oh *that* is fixed |
| 21:35:08 | kergoth | chouimat: and it mounts manually |
| 21:35:13 | | oz prerelease is probably http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 21:35:13 | AndyQ | ibot oz prerelease |
| 21:35:16 | kergoth | chouimat: but mine wont mount on boot initially |
| 21:35:18 | TheMasterMind1 | and i think if you set a --prefix while compiling glib, it will put those paths into glib-config |
| 21:35:20 | kergoth | chouimat: so i'm looking into it |
| 21:35:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: run the glib-config from our build |
| 21:35:28 | TheMasterMind1 | so i should have --prefix=$(STAGING_DIR) in the glib makefile right? |
| 21:35:30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: set PATH |
| 21:35:30 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i did |
| 21:35:42 | chouimat | kergoth: where is the ramdisk? oz-base? |
| 21:35:48 | TheMasterMind1 | arsenic:/zaurus/gtk+-1.2.10# /zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/bin/glib-config --libs |
| 21:35:48 | TheMasterMind1 | -L/usr/lib -lglib |
| 21:35:51 | kergoth | chouimat: ? |
| 21:35:55 | kergoth | chouimat: ramdisk is a device |
| 21:35:57 | TheMasterMind1 | its wrong in that glib-config also |
| 21:35:58 | Onyx4|work | actually one thing I already notice that will cause problem, is that on IRIX I need to call "gmake" instead of make for things to work, so in our scripts we dont use $(MAKE) |
| 21:36:10 | chouimat | kergoth: a roadmap of the ipk would be handy too :) |
| 21:36:21 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: that wont cause a problem if gmake sets the MAKE env variable |
| 21:36:30 | mickeyl | kergoth: howdy. just tried the latest buildroot which seems to have ironed out most of the bugs I've seen last time. Good job! One modprobe: can't locate nls-utf8 is still appearing though. |
| 21:36:39 | kergoth | mickeyl: ah, thats fixed in new kernels |
| 21:36:45 | kergoth | mickeyl: i compiled that damn thing in monolithically |
| 21:36:46 | chouimat | kergoth: only have 14e here |
| 21:36:47 | kergoth | mickeyl: :) |
| 21:36:53 | kergoth | chouimat: yes, its fixed in f |
| 21:36:57 | Onyx4|work | yeah but we call make explitcly during the install and build of packages no? |
| 21:37:01 | kergoth | chouimat: but i still need to mount manually for some reason |
| 21:37:01 | mickeyl | kergoth: hehe :)) yeah, if that's get us rid of this message, go ahead :) |
| 21:37:02 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: no. |
| 21:37:10 | chouimat | kergoth: push f then |
| 21:37:12 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: we use $(MAKE) |
| 21:37:33 | Onyx4|work | mmm most packages i've seen we do like make -C $(SourceTree) blah |
| 21:37:34 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: i think i got rid of most of the direct calls to 'make' |
| 21:37:35 | kergoth | no |
| 21:37:41 | kergoth | most use $(MAKE) -C $(SourceTree) |
| 21:37:43 | kergoth | any that use make need fixing |
| 21:37:46 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:37:49 | Onyx4|work | oh ok if we've cleaned them up it's good :) |
| 21:37:56 | kergoth | i think i fixed most of them |
| 21:38:00 | kergoth | but there may be some hiding |
| 21:38:01 | Onyx4|work | cool |
| 21:38:06 | kergoth | grep for em |
| 21:38:06 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:38:09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: the glib-config file is a shell script that takes the --prefix from ./configure and returns that when you ask for libs location etc. the --prefix in glib's buildroot Makefile is /usr right now, so its setting it to /usr and saying /usr/lib for libs |
| 21:38:10 | Onyx4|work | then I can just define MAKE in vars |
| 21:38:11 | mickeyl | kergoth: what has become of mtdblock6 ? is this what now is ramfs? |
| 21:38:15 | TheMasterMind1 | should i change the prefix or will something else breake |
| 21:38:24 | kergoth | mickeyl: mtdblock6 has always been mtdram |
| 21:38:28 | kergoth | mickeyl: using ext2 or minix |
| 21:38:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: something else may break, not certain |
| 21:38:42 | mickeyl | kergoth: ok, just the name "mtdblock6" is no longer listed explicitly. |
| 21:38:44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we may want to sed that script |
| 21:38:47 | kergoth | mickeyl: yes, it is |
| 21:38:58 | kergoth | mickeyl: there was a bug with it though, which is fixed now |
| 21:39:02 | mickeyl | kergoth: where? not here in my fstab nor on mount. |
| 21:39:09 | kergoth | as i said, it was broken |
| 21:39:10 | kergoth | no longer is |
| 21:39:11 | mickeyl | kergoth: aaah ok |
| 21:39:16 | Bovine | are the packages at - http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/feed/ - "safe" to use on the latest prerelease? |
| 21:39:25 | kergoth | Bovine: no. |
| 21:39:30 | kergoth | Bovine: use the feed from the prerelease you're using. |
| 21:39:35 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 21:39:35 | kergoth | ibot oz prerelease |
| 21:39:35 | Onyx4|work | the only problem is that I might need also gcc 2.95 for my host, I use 3.04 on IRIX |
| 21:39:40 | Bovine | that doesn't have some things :/ |
| 21:39:42 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/feed/ |
| 21:39:48 | kergoth | it has everything but kenrel modules |
| 21:39:57 | kergoth | use it |
| 21:40:35 | Bovine | I was kinda hoping for fb_vncserver :) |
| 21:40:46 | kergoth | use fbvncserver-oz from wherever you can find it |
| 21:40:50 | kergoth | it hasnt been changed in a long ass time |
| 21:40:56 | Bovine | ahh, k |
| 21:40:59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: |
| 21:41:01 | TheMasterMind1 | cd $(SourceTree); sed < glib-config > glib-config -e '/^prefix=\/usr$$/prefix=$(STAGINGDIR)/' |
| 21:41:05 | TheMasterMind1 | seem right? |
| 21:41:07 | Bovine | I take it things like kismet from http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/feed/ will be ok? |
| 21:41:12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: looks about right |
| 21:41:16 | kergoth | Bovine: yeah |
| 21:41:20 | TheMasterMind1 | ok i'll make sure |
| 21:41:25 | Bovine | just avoid opie- stuff? |
| 21:41:30 | Onyx4|work | downloading bk for IRIX :) |
| 21:41:38 | kergoth | Bovine: i woudlnt trust oz-base and shit from there |
| 21:41:42 | Bovine | k |
| 21:41:43 | kergoth | Bovine: who knows what state they're in |
| 21:41:52 | Bovine | heh |
| 21:41:57 | TheMasterMind1 | sed: -e expression #1, char 17: Extra characters after command |
| 21:41:58 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:42:02 | Bovine | goes from a cow to a guinea pig |
| 21:42:04 | Bovine | :P |
| 21:42:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you forget s |
| 21:42:14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: s/blah/heh/ |
| 21:42:18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not /blah/heh/ |
| 21:42:45 | Onyx4|work | wow can't beleive binutils for xcompile actually compiled on mips wooo |
| 21:43:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:43:28 | Onyx4|work | this is gonna be fun |
| 21:43:41 | kergoth | chouimat: just pushed the changes. |
| 21:43:46 | Onyx4|work | my machine is a 16G of ram with like 300+gigs of storage and 32 cpus |
| 21:43:52 | scan[ibook] | binutils usually compile pretty easily, the fun begins with gcc and glibc |
| 21:43:59 | nasa | ok, what's up with 'ipkg upgrade' -- it keeps saysing it wants to install a file that is already provided by <no pacakge> |
| 21:44:05 | Onyx4|work | crosses his finger |
| 21:44:10 | kergoth | nasa: what are you trying to upgrade? |
| 21:44:19 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: just one? |
| 21:44:27 | Onyx4|work | that's one machine yes |
| 21:44:31 | chouimat | oke I'm doing make clean |
| 21:44:32 | kergoth | just one finger |
| 21:44:33 | nasa | kergoth: I just did a 'ipkg upgrade' |
| 21:44:38 | kergoth | 'onyx4|work crosses his finger' |
| 21:44:42 | kergoth | nasa: nono |
| 21:44:42 | Onyx4|work | oh |
| 21:44:48 | kergoth | nasa: what *package* was it upgrading when it failed |
| 21:44:55 | kergoth | nasa: telling me ipkg upgrade failed means nothing |
| 21:44:56 | Onyx4|work | finger(s) |
| 21:44:59 | nasa | oh... lots and lots... |
| 21:45:53 | Onyx4|work | mmm it did not name by binaries arm-linux-strip, just named them "strip" |
| 21:46:12 | nasa | opie-style-fresh, opie-theme, opie-theme-luna, etc |
| 21:46:23 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: thats fine. |
| 21:46:30 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: just follow the instructions. heh |
| 21:46:50 | Onyx4|work | instructions where/ |
| 21:46:56 | kergoth | AndyQ: 'failed to symlink /mnt/ram/./ to /./' |
| 21:47:00 | Onyx4|work | in the script itself? |
| 21:47:18 | AndyQ | kergoth: hmmm doing what? |
| 21:47:23 | kergoth | AndyQ: installing a package |
| 21:47:25 | nasa | opie-qasteroids, opie-opiealarm, and it goes on... |
| 21:47:56 | kergoth | AndyQ: it just failed to install .. id ont know what.. it looked like it symlinked every file twice, so the second pass of links failed |
| 21:48:17 | AndyQ | kergoth: urrgh - which package? |
| 21:48:30 | kergoth | AndyQ: candycruncher. works fine with oipkg |
| 21:48:32 | kergoth | AndyQ: alsso |
| 21:48:41 | kergoth | AndyQ: it did sucessfully install, but failed to link.. |
| 21:48:46 | kergoth | AndyQ: install showed status = failure |
| 21:48:50 | kergoth | AndyQ: but now its installed :) |
| 21:48:52 | nadav | bah |
| 21:48:54 | TheMasterMind1 | aahh! |
| 21:48:56 | TheMasterMind1 | goes crazy |
| 21:48:57 | nadav | too bad os x cant read ext2 |
| 21:49:03 | | oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
| 21:49:03 | Onyx4|work | ibot: oz bk |
| 21:49:05 | kergoth | AndyQ: you should either warn about it, or remove the ipkg on link failure, or do something to handle it cleanly |
| 21:49:08 | TheMasterMind1 | /usr/lib insn;t in the Makefile anymore! why msut you use it |
| 21:49:32 | Onyx4|work | where do I set the proxy for bk? |
| 21:49:34 | chouimat | kergoth: fix the make clean <- no download |
| 21:49:43 | kergoth | chouimat: k |
| 21:50:22 | chouimat | kergoth: and make distclean <- current behavior |
| 21:50:25 | kergoth | AndyQ: s/remove/uninstall/; or something |
| 21:50:27 | kergoth | chouimat: yes, will do |
| 21:50:32 | AndyQ | kergoth: Yeah - not sure why it tried to link twice - will check |
| 21:50:42 | kergoth | AndyQ: k |
| 21:51:41 | kergoth | AndyQ: at least, thats what it looks like. .. there are so many files i can barely make it out, but thats what i tlooked like. i'll test another package |
| 21:51:43 | chouimat | kergoth: or add the following feature: do you already have the following source? |
| 21:51:52 | kergoth | chouimat: ? |
| 21:52:48 | Onyx4|work | the opie build could be parallel right? |
| 21:53:09 | chouimat | ask before downloading if the needed source is allready on the computer and just copy it |
| 21:53:11 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: every build is parallel if you use -j |
| 21:53:16 | Onyx4|work | ah nice |
| 21:53:17 | kergoth | chouimat: how would we do that? |
| 21:53:19 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:54:00 | chouimat | I'm looking to gentoo portage source code and bsd ports handling |
| 21:54:10 | Onyx4|work | so it's possible to cross-compile from non-linux/mips to linux/arm right? |
| 21:54:25 | chouimat | Onyx4|work: why not |
| 21:54:27 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: should be |
| 21:54:31 | Onyx4|work | ok just checking... |
| 21:54:36 | Onyx4|work | so far gcc is still building |
| 21:55:10 | scanline | is back (gone 02:40:29) |
| 21:55:25 | chouimat | kergoth: currently make clean don't erase in sources? |
| 21:55:58 | TheMasterMind1 | # Compile-time system search path for libraries |
| 21:55:58 | TheMasterMind1 | sys_lib_search_path_spec="/lib /usr/lib /usr/local/lib" |
| 21:55:58 | TheMasterMind1 | # Run-time system search path for libraries |
| 21:55:58 | TheMasterMind1 | sys_lib_dlsearch_path_spec="/lib /usr/lib" |
| 21:56:06 | TheMasterMind1 | those defs in libtool are causing my woes |
| 21:56:06 | kergoth | chouimat: yes it does |
| 21:56:11 | kergoth | chouimat: i havent fixed yet |
| 21:56:21 | TheMasterMind1 | i think you have a fix for em in glib |
| 21:56:24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: is it running its own libtool, our *ours*? |
| 21:56:27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: s/our/or/ |
| 21:56:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: make it use $(LIBTOOL) instead of ./libtool or hwatever |
| 21:56:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and then set LIBTOOL=$(BUILD_DIR)/libtool/libtool (iirc) |
| 21:57:10 | chouimat | kergoth: hmmm I will think of something for the feature I want |
| 21:57:29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ahh |
| 21:57:42 | kergoth | chouimat: k. for now i'll change the behavior as you suggested |
| 21:58:06 | nadav | what are the opie-deco-*? |
| 21:58:40 | TheMasterMind1 | decorations |
| 21:59:18 | chouimat | kergoth: maybe we can make buildroot ask before starting the build if we have the *.tar.gz files somewhere on the systems and if we want to use those files |
| 22:00:29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: our libtool has the same problem |
| 22:02:27 | Onyx4|work | kergoth: where did you find the instructions for building? |
| 22:02:52 | TheMasterMind1 | # Compile-time system search path for libraries |
| 22:02:53 | TheMasterMind1 | sys_lib_search_path_spec="/lib /usr/lib /usr/local/lib" |
| 22:04:00 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 22:05:48 | AndyQ | kergoth: ipkg seg faults if cf or card is defined in ipkg.conf and you don't have one! |
| 22:06:01 | AndyQ | kergoth: that is why you are getting the status=failure |
| 22:06:11 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: making progress with gpe? |
| 22:06:20 | ljp_work | is a new prelease still pending today? |
| 22:07:18 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: actually, its gtk |
| 22:07:27 | TheMasterMind1 | and no, libtool is causing problems |
| 22:07:30 | TheMasterMind1 | needs to be fixed |
| 22:08:56 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: ahh |
| 22:10:52 | TheMasterMind1 | this is one of the worst compiles ever |
| 22:10:55 | TheMasterMind1 | even opie was eaiser |
| 22:11:12 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: lol |
| 22:11:19 | TheMasterMind1 | adding opie to the buildroot was a pain |
| 22:11:26 | TheMasterMind1 | but atleast you could cross compile it out of the buildroot |
| 22:11:29 | TheMasterMind1 | this you can't even do that |
| 22:11:55 | nadav | question. |
| 22:12:12 | nadav | is it supposed to show that /mnt/ram is mounted in system info? it didnt earlier |
| 22:12:35 | TheMasterMind1 | sure it did |
| 22:12:41 | nadav | heh |
| 22:12:49 | TheMasterMind1 | always has |
| 22:12:55 | nadav | okay |
| 22:14:24 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm tempted to download the debian arm gtk package and use the binaries from there |
| 22:17:09 | Onyx4|work | how is X on the Z ? :) |
| 22:17:19 | Onyx4|work | you run fluxbox? |
| 22:23:55 | ljp_work | sure |
| 22:26:49 | AndyQ | kergoth: I've fixed the double linking (it got confused and thought it was a dependant package |
| 22:26:50 | nasa | ok, anyone -- I try to do a 'ipkg -force-overwrite upgrade' and it cause me to run out of space... Why? |
| 22:27:05 | nasa | I am using the -32 rom... |
| 22:27:10 | AndyQ | kergoth: The failure is because the ipk doesn't install properly (bug in package) |
| 22:27:47 | AndyQ | kergoth: but you will still get failed to remove dirs coz it can't remove /opt and /, etc |
| 22:28:01 | AndyQ | Going to commit in a moment... |
| 22:28:56 | chouimat | hmmmmm frozen coffee |
| 22:29:03 | nasa | damn -- need to reflash the Z... |
| 22:34:01 | KeyserSoze | i plugged a CF card into my CF/smart media reader. I couldn't mount it though. for the longest time, a /dev/sda1 didn't show up. when it did, i could then mount it. is there anything i can do to make it show up when i connect the usb device, or do i just have to wait? |
| 22:34:29 | KeyserSoze | (this is vaguely zaurus related, because I am going to use the CF in my zaurus :)) |
| 22:35:14 | Onyx4|work | while building the toolchain it abords with |
| 22:35:19 | Onyx4|work | libgcc1.S:438: asm/unistd.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:39:30 | Onyx4|work | that is part of the libc... I wonder if I need to compile that before gcc |
| 22:39:38 | Onyx4|work | or it's like a chiken and egg thing |
| 22:42:58 | scanline | you have to compile a bootstrap gcc without libc that you use to compile the libc that you compile gcc against |
| 22:43:47 | Onyx4|work | mmmm ok... but do I do that before compiling gcc for arm? |
| 22:44:02 | Onyx4|work | because right now that include file in the libc is required for building the gcc |
| 22:45:13 | chouimat | Onyx4: try to find C/C++ Users Journal from march 2000 good article on how to setup gcc as cross-compiler |
| 22:46:36 | Onyx4|work | oh I kno wwhat's going on |
| 22:46:39 | Onyx4|work | it's the kernel |
| 22:46:46 | Onyx4|work | it's missing the symlink for asm to asm-arm |
| 22:47:52 | Onyx4|work | because would the libc6 compile from the buildroot be enough? |
| 22:48:00 | Onyx4|work | or I would need to compile my own for the toolchain itself? |
| 22:54:45 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 22:54:52 | kergoth | whered prpplague go |
| 22:55:11 | chouimat | kergoth: somewhere? |
| 22:56:14 | kergoth | chouimat: you're always so helpful ;) |
| 22:56:17 | kergoth | hey DaJoker |
| 22:56:20 | DaJoker | heya |
| 22:56:30 | DaJoker | what's shakin? |
| 22:56:32 | chouimat | kergoth: it's one of my quality :) |
| 22:56:39 | jmhodges | hola DaJoker |
| 22:56:39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:56:50 | | Edwin Meese made me wear CORDOVANS!! |
| 22:56:50 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 22:56:54 | | Yow! Those people look exactly like Donnie and Marie Osmond!! |
| 22:56:54 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 22:57:03 | | I'm having BEAUTIFUL THOUGHTS about the INSIPID WIVES of smug and wealthy CORPORATE LAWYERS ... |
| 22:57:03 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 22:57:17 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:57:25 | | Will this never-ending series of PLEASURABLE EVENTS never cease? |
| 22:57:25 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 22:57:36 | kergoth | fucker |
| 22:57:41 | | ... My pants just went on a wild rampage through a Long Island Bowling Alley!! |
| 22:57:41 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 22:57:44 | kergoth | i want a never-ending series of pleasurable events |
| 22:57:45 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 22:58:02 | chouimat | kergoth: me too |
| 22:58:04 | jmh|food | lol |
| 22:58:11 | | Barbie says, Take quaaludes in gin and go to a disco right away! |
| 22:58:11 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 22:58:19 | jmh|food | LOL |
| 22:58:20 | | Hello. I know the divorce rate among unmarried Catholic Alaskan females!! |
| 22:58:20 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 22:58:30 | chouimat | lol |
| 22:58:33 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:58:40 | kergoth | me too! |
| 22:58:43 | kergoth | is it... zero? |
| 22:58:46 | kergoth | is good |
| 22:58:51 | | BARBARA STANWYCK makes me nervous!! |
| 22:58:51 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 22:59:01 | | BARBARA STANWYCK makes me nervous!! |
| 22:59:01 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 22:59:06 | chouimat | ? |
| 22:59:13 | nasa | kergoth: should I use onyx4 feed site to update my oz? |
| 22:59:15 | kergoth | wow, she must reallymake him nervous |
| 22:59:21 | | Leona, I want to CONFESS things to you ... I want to WRAP you in a SCARLET ROBE trimmed with POLYVINYL CHLORIDE ... I want to EMPTY your ASHTRAYS ... |
| 22:59:21 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 22:59:24 | kergoth | nasa: or use the one in th elatest feed |
| 22:59:27 | kergoth | nasa: up to you |
| 22:59:38 | kergoth | i want to empty your ashtrays? |
| 22:59:41 | | As President I have to go vacuum my coin collection! |
| 22:59:41 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 22:59:59 | | All I can think of is a platter of organic PRUNE CRISPS being trampled by an army of swarthy, Italian LOUNGE SINGERS ... |
| 22:59:59 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 23:00:35 | | I'm having a BIG BANG THEORY!! |
| 23:00:35 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 23:00:40 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:00:52 | jmh|food | hehe |
| 23:01:00 | DaJoker | are we a little punchy this evening? |
| 23:01:04 | | PEGGY FLEMMING is stealing BASKET BALLS to feed the babies in VERMONT. |
| 23:01:04 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 23:01:32 | chouimat | DaJoker: welcome to fun with ibot |
| 23:01:38 | DaJoker | hehe.. |
| 23:01:42 | | UH-OH!! I think KEN is OVER-DUE on his R.V. PAYMENTS and HE'S having a NERVOUS BREAKDOWN too!! Ha ha. |
| 23:01:42 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 23:01:48 | DaJoker | bbiab.. gotta feed my son.. |
| 23:02:21 | | Hello? Enema Bondage? I'm calling because I want to be happy, I guess ... |
| 23:02:21 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 23:02:48 | | Concentrate on th'cute, li'l CARTOON GUYS! Remember the SERIAL NUMBERS!! Follow the WHIPPLE AVE. EXIA can of ASPARAGUS, 73 pigeons, some LIVE ammo, and a FROZEN DAQUIRI!! |
| 23:02:48 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 23:03:04 | nasa | kergoth: just a note -- not sue why it does this, but ipkg will 'upgrade' oz-base to the -14b and then later 'upgrade' it the the -14e (really strange) |
| 23:03:33 | | So this is what it feels like to be potato salad |
| 23:03:33 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 23:03:34 | ljp- | someone quit giving ibot caffeine |
| 23:03:52 | chouimat | ljp-: ok :) |
| 23:04:03 | mark | ljp-: be zippy |
| 23:04:22 | ljp- | is there a new prerelease |
| 23:04:31 | kergoth | nasa: upgarde is weird |
| 23:04:35 | kergoth | ljp-: be zippy |
| 23:04:39 | chouimat | mark: ibot is zippier |
| 23:04:44 | | Tex SEX! The HOME of WHEELS! The dripping of COFFEE!! Take me to Minnesota but don't EMBARRASS me!! |
| 23:04:44 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 23:04:49 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:04:55 | mark | chouimat: i thought resident commedian ljp- would come up with something :) |
| 23:04:59 | kergoth | why is he going to minnesota? |
| 23:05:02 | kergoth | hrpmhs |
| 23:05:09 | | Boy, am I glad it's only 1971... |
| 23:05:09 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 23:05:22 | chouimat | huh? |
| 23:05:48 | | I wish I was on a Cincinnati street corner holding a clean dog! |
| 23:05:48 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 23:06:21 | ljp- | umm.. prerelease today yet? |
| 23:06:43 | ljp- | no? yes? maybe? |
| 23:06:52 | ljp- | hmm ? hmmm? hmmm? |
| 23:06:59 | | Am I in GRADUATE SCHOOL yet? |
| 23:06:59 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 23:07:03 | ljp- | well?! |
| 23:08:05 | ljp- | hello....? anyone alive? |
| 23:08:13 | mark | nope, i'm ded |
| 23:08:14 | | All right, you degenerates! I want this place evacuated in 20 seconds! |
| 23:08:14 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 23:09:07 | ljp- | so, I take it no new prerelase then |
| 23:09:18 | | I want EARS! I want two ROUND BLACK EARS to make me feel warm 'n secure!! |
| 23:09:18 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 23:09:25 | ljp- | quit that |
| 23:09:43 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 23:10:25 | ljp- | kicks his #2 boxes monitor |
| 23:10:26 | chouimat | :( |
| 23:10:45 | kergoth | ljp-: working on the next prerelease |
| 23:11:09 | ljp- | ok thank you. I'll go quietly back to my documents building |
| 23:11:27 | AndyQ | kergoth: Fixed bugs and commited - wanna look? |
| 23:11:47 | kergoth | AndyQ: k.. cvs up'ing |
| 23:12:08 | ljp | kicks montior #2 |
| 23:12:10 | chouimat | kalldrexx: ping |
| 23:12:13 | AndyQ | kergoth: Still get some failed creation/removal links |
| 23:12:19 | AndyQ | kergoth: but those are fine |
| 23:12:32 | AndyQ | kergoth: Don't care any more :) |
| 23:14:47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:14:47 | kergoth | k |
| 23:14:56 | AndyQ | kergoth: Oh yeah, servers are now handled nicely |
| 23:15:00 | kergoth | yay |
| 23:15:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:20:00 | kergoth | AndyQ: aqpkg.pro, change QPEDIR to OPIEDIR please. |
| 23:20:13 | AndyQ | oops |
| 23:20:18 | kergoth | AndyQ: you use the c++ stl? |
| 23:20:26 | AndyQ | yeah - problem? |
| 23:20:35 | kergoth | no, just curious. that has to be static. |
| 23:20:39 | kergoth | the zaurus doesnt have libstd++ |
| 23:20:42 | kergoth | s/std/stdc/; |
| 23:21:04 | AndyQ | I know, honestly, was lucky it worked :) |
| 23:21:13 | kergoth | it must be linking staticly eh |
| 23:22:32 | AndyQ | kergoth: aqpkg.pro done |
| 23:23:37 | kergoth | thanks |
| 23:24:02 | Onyx4|work | kergoth: do you think just compiling the binutils and gcc-2.95.3 is enough or I need something else for my toolchain? |
| 23:24:11 | Onyx4|work | considering what else we build from the buildroot |
| 23:24:24 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:24:35 | kergoth | binutils and gcc and glibc are all you need for any toolchain |
| 23:24:37 | kergoth | generally |
| 23:24:48 | Onyx4|work | but we build glibc already in buildroot right? |
| 23:24:50 | Onyx4|work | so I don't need it? |
| 23:25:04 | kergoth | yes, you do |
| 23:25:08 | Onyx4|work | arg... ok :( |
| 23:25:12 | kergoth | you need it for the crti.o and shit |
| 23:25:17 | Onyx4|work | so I'd need to also compile a gcc-core stuff too? |
| 23:25:26 | kergoth | and theres no way to make things use our crti.o and stuff from our libc build, i've tried. |
| 23:26:08 | kergoth | numatrix: ping |
| 23:26:10 | scanline | just make buildroot compile the toolchain too :) |
| 23:26:19 | Dessimat0r | ACK... I formatted the bloody CF as EXT2 |
| 23:26:22 | kergoth | scanline: already on the todo.. hunger had the old style buildroot building it. |
| 23:26:25 | Dessimat0r | but it is fat16 |
| 23:26:30 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: edit sdcontrol in /etc, comment out the FSTYPE line |
| 23:26:38 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:26:39 | Dessimat0r | okay |
| 23:26:43 | Dessimat0r | thanks ;) |
| 23:26:46 | kergoth | already fixed in the buildroot |
| 23:26:47 | kergoth | np |
| 23:27:26 | scanline | kergoth: neato |
| 23:27:35 | kergoth | scanline: i'll be converting it one of these days |
| 23:27:44 | kergoth | scanline: two choices, either gcc3.2 + glibc 2.3.1, or the older stuff |
| 23:28:01 | scanline | and then there's uClibc :) |
| 23:28:06 | kergoth | yup |
| 23:28:18 | kergoth | we can swipe the build commands from andersee's toolchain build script for it |
| 23:28:46 | Dessimat0r | hmm.... it is still fat16, even when putting it into the CF reader on the pc |
| 23:28:53 | Dessimat0r | do i need to reformat after commenting it out? |
| 23:28:59 | kergoth | shouldnt |
| 23:29:00 | kergoth | dunno |
| 23:29:37 | Dessimat0r | lol, there is a lostandfou.nd file on there ;) |
| 23:30:00 | Dessimat0r | so it looks like it tried to create ext2 but failed |
| 23:30:51 | | VICARIOUSLY experience some reason to LIVE!! |
| 23:30:51 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 23:30:53 | chouimat | :) |
| 23:31:00 | Onyx4|work | arg some of the packages have "make" hardcoded in them |
| 23:31:05 | Onyx4|work | like busybox |
| 23:31:13 | Onyx4|work | not our makefiles ,but theirs |
| 23:31:27 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: ugh, stupid things, they should be using $(MAKE) |
| 23:31:29 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: patch them |
| 23:31:44 | Onyx4|work | mmm trying to get ipkg-x86 might be a pain |
| 23:31:47 | chouimat | damn! must take out the garbagges |
| 23:31:50 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:31:50 | Onyx4|work | gcc: -pipe is not supported. |
| 23:32:05 | Onyx4|work | that's trying to build ipkg-x86 |
| 23:32:07 | Onyx4|work | on mips :) |
| 23:32:11 | kergoth | chouimat: today was garbage day.. i didnt get it out this morning.. oops.. |
| 23:32:40 | chouimat | kergoth: tomorrow here, i'm taking it out now |
| 23:32:45 | Onyx4|work | that's ok actually I've changed my path to use the GNU tools first |
| 23:32:48 | Onyx4|work | to now make is gmake |
| 23:38:16 | Dessimat0r | what is the path for the CF card if there is no CF card in? |
| 23:38:40 | Dessimat0r | I foolishly tried to move a document there when it wasn't in the slot ;) |
| 23:40:00 | kergoth | /mnt/cf |
| 23:40:31 | nasa | kergoth: I have been upgrading qt-embedded from 2.3.4-3a to 3b -- it's been going for 20+ min |
| 23:40:56 | nasa | looking at 'ps aux' ipkg still seems to be working.... |
| 23:41:23 | nasa | So, why so slow.... |
| 23:41:33 | kergoth | nasa: open another terminal, run 'sync' |
| 23:41:35 | kergoth | nasa: its jffs2. |
| 23:41:56 | nasa | ah... |
| 23:42:01 | Dessimat0r | hmm |
| 23:42:30 | Dessimat0r | so i need to take the CF out again and move the files? |
| 23:42:35 | Dessimat0r | d'oh ;) |
| 23:43:06 | scanline | /bin/sh: line 1: /stamp-version: Permission denied |
| 23:43:06 | scanline | cat: /stamp-version: No such file or directory |
| 23:43:54 | AndyQ | kergoth: any problems? |
| 23:44:08 | | cerezu: what? |
| 23:44:08 | cerezu | ibot openzaurus beta |
| 23:44:11 | | openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp SL-5x00[dg] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. Also ask me about oz faq, oz feed, oz bk, oz release, or oz prerelease. And dont forget to /join #openzaurus. |
| 23:44:11 | cerezu | ibot openzaurus |
| 23:44:31 | cerezu | kergoth: where's the latest version of OZ? |
| 23:44:36 | Onyx4|work | kergoth: I think ipkg may not compile under IRIX natively... |
| 23:44:43 | Onyx4|work | that might be a problem... shit |
| 23:44:43 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 23:44:43 | nasa | ibot oz prerelease |
| 23:44:48 | cerezu | oh okay, thanks |
| 23:44:59 | cerezu | nasa: thanks |
| 23:45:07 | nasa | cerezu: np |
| 23:45:15 | AndyQ | kergoth: if not I'm outta here (beddy byes zzzzzzz) |
| 23:46:32 | cerezu | Onyx4: time to boot my zaurus back up, reflashing I mean :) |
| 23:47:01 | prpplague | does a bk pull |
| 23:47:06 | Onyx4|work | I bet i'm gonna spend like 5 hours setting up my toolchain on irix and it won't work hehe |
| 23:47:47 | prpplague | man lots of changes since sunday night |
| 23:47:59 | DaJoker | prpplague: yep.. where you been? |
| 23:48:00 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 23:48:05 | prpplague | DaJoker: working |
| 23:48:23 | nasa | kergoth: no change, ipkg acting like the energizer bunny -- keeps going, and going, and going.... |
| 23:48:34 | prpplague | DaJoker: dealing will ppl who try to type their numberic password in on the keypad with the numlock off |
| 23:49:00 | DaJoker | LOL.. reall.. I'm ... trying not ... to .. laugh.. |
| 23:49:03 | AndyQ | nasa: some packages do take a seriously long time - OZ upgrade took over 1 1/2 hours |
| 23:49:22 | kergoth | AndyQ: its not the packages, really.. its our old as dirt jffs2 taking its sweet time |
| 23:49:24 | prpplague | anyone tried phoenix browser yet? |
| 23:49:25 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:49:37 | AndyQ | nasa: and it was knackered at the end - to say I was pissed was an understatement |
| 23:49:40 | kergoth | prpplague: its my main browser on my windows boxen, yeah |
| 23:49:58 | AndyQ | I know its not the packages but hey got to blame something and didn't know about jffs2 at the time :) |
| 23:50:09 | nasa | lol |
| 23:50:11 | kergoth | AndyQ: just flashed with an oz including the updated aqpkg, waiting for it to generate the ssh keys |
| 23:50:12 | AndyQ | anyway, I'm going to bed - night night |
| 23:50:14 | prpplague | kergoth: oh ya? i've been wanting to try it |
| 23:50:16 | kergoth | AndyQ: night |
| 23:50:21 | kergoth | AndyQ: thanks :) |
| 23:50:23 | kergoth | hey ljp |
| 23:50:27 | ljp- | hi |
| 23:50:30 | AndyQ | OK, I'll wait for 5 mins or so.... |
| 23:50:36 | prpplague | kergoth: of course i've ben doze free for a little over 4 years now |
| 23:50:45 | ljp- | just switched my comm box to the debian thing |
| 23:50:53 | kergoth | prpplague: im still forced to use it at work here |
| 23:51:00 | prpplague | kergoth: bummer |
| 23:51:10 | ljp- | I like win2k.. nothing beats the pro audio stuff |
| 23:51:11 | AndyQ | pins eyes open with matches |
| 23:51:18 | kergoth | actually, i can run our case managemetn software in Wine |
| 23:51:55 | cerezu | kergoth: finally reflashing OZ :) I am so happy. I missed my zaurus so much... |
| 23:53:07 | prpplague | look like you guys have been busy, i see fluxbox and monobut on the menu |
| 23:53:18 | Onyx4|work | and fuck that idea of cross-compiling, too many problems |
| 23:53:36 | cerezu | Onyx4: heh. crosscompiling to/from what? |
| 23:54:24 | Onyx4|work | IRIX/mips |
| 23:54:26 | Onyx4|work | to arm |
| 23:54:27 | kergoth | AndyQ: gah, it didnt build the new aqpkg, its still the old one.. blah.. go to bed! i'll document any bugs i find :) |
| 23:54:36 | AndyQ | later |
| 23:54:38 | cerezu | is shocked as the OpenZaurus logo popped up after pressing the cancel button! He is so shocked :))) |
| 23:55:37 | nasa | wow, it finished... |
| 23:56:30 | nasa | hmmm.... but my free space has gone to only 816K? |
| 23:56:45 | kergoth | nasa: reboot |
| 23:58:32 | nasa | kergoth: great call.... |
| 23:58:37 | prpplague | argh, build root choked on /dev issue |
| 23:58:58 | kergoth | prpplague: rm -rf output/staging stamps/.*staging*; make |
| 23:59:13 | Onyx4|work | kergoth: if ipkg doesn't compile on IRIX, you think I could just simply use a wrapper that installs ipk files manually? |
| 23:59:20 | prpplague | kergoth: doh, i forgot, i normaly do that |
| 23:59:27 | Onyx4|work | or is ipk also use to create ipks? |
