| 00:03:11 | TheMasterMind1 | cerezu: eh? whats up? |
| 00:03:24 | TheMasterMind1 | cerezu: run make config |
| 00:03:27 | | hmmm... oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
| 00:03:27 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz bk |
| 00:03:30 | TheMasterMind1 | use those |
| 00:03:37 | TheMasterMind1 | cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make |
| 00:04:47 | cerezu | ok |
| 00:05:14 | cerezu | I love my linux box. 1024mb of ram :) |
| 00:05:53 | ljp- | well, if you love it so much... why not marry it? |
| 00:06:08 | cerezu | /usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 00:06:15 | cerezu | do I need to be root? |
| 00:06:44 | prpplague | evening all |
| 00:08:56 | DaJoker | heya prpplague |
| 00:09:12 | prpplague | howdy |
| 00:09:58 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: sup |
| 00:10:00 | TheMasterMind1 | fix that X stuff |
| 00:10:05 | TheMasterMind1 | init.d script and all |
| 00:10:51 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: you did? |
| 00:11:02 | DaJoker | I think he's tell you to :) |
| 00:11:38 | cerezu | buildroot-exported/scripts/sources.pl: /usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 00:13:07 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: no, you do it :) |
| 00:14:02 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: ohh, ya i'm working on it, the ts and bl for tinyx |
| 00:14:28 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: good :) |
| 00:14:31 | | oz prerelease is probably http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 00:14:31 | jmhodges | ibot oz prerelease |
| 00:14:34 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: i figured out how to get gtk compiling too |
| 00:14:40 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: cool |
| 00:23:29 | DaJoker | argh.. fluxbox dependy thing still not in the bk tree |
| 00:44:07 | TheElusiveTool | 'sup all |
| 00:44:46 | TheElusiveTool | ¿?¿? |
| 00:48:54 | TheMasterMind1 | DaJoker: huh? |
| 00:51:18 | DaJoker | TheMasterMind1: packages/Makefile doesn't have fluxbox dependencies listed out.. so when you do a complete make, fluxbox tries to build before X |
| 00:51:29 | DaJoker | and of course, fails |
| 00:52:14 | TheMasterMind1 | oops |
| 00:52:27 | TheMasterMind1 | DaJoker: the buildroot doesn't look at the deps in the MAkefile |
| 00:52:56 | DaJoker | guess not.. seems to rely on packages/Makefile |
| 00:57:07 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 00:57:11 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't even look at that |
| 00:57:32 | TheMasterMind1 | config FLUXBOX |
| 00:57:32 | TheMasterMind1 | boolean "Fluxbox" |
| 00:57:32 | TheMasterMind1 | depends TINYX |
| 00:57:32 | TheMasterMind1 | default "n" |
| 00:57:36 | TheMasterMind1 | it should be working |
| 00:57:52 | TheMasterMind1 | plus, its set to tinyx even in the makefile |
| 00:58:07 | TheMasterMind1 | DaJoker: oh, oh oh |
| 00:58:10 | TheMasterMind1 | my bad |
| 00:58:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i see what you're saying |
| 00:59:50 | TheMasterMind1 | DaJoker: ok, fixed it |
| 01:00:23 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 01:00:59 | DaJoker | I would fix this stuff myself.. but.. 1. don't have access to the bk tree and 2. wouldn't know how even if I did have access :) |
| 01:01:37 | TheMasterMind1 | ok there |
| 01:01:41 | TheMasterMind1 | try bk pull and see if it works now |
| 01:02:24 | DaJoker | in the middle of a build now.. will check it after a bit |
| 01:07:39 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot message for kergoth: fix libtool |
| 01:19:00 | TheMasterMind1 | how would i use the buildroot with distcc? |
| 01:20:51 | DaJoker | kergoth said something about it automatically uses it if it's availalbe |
| 01:20:58 | DaJoker | so just install and configure it I believe |
| 01:22:33 | TheMasterMind1 | that's ccache iirc |
| 01:22:57 | DaJoker | he was mentioning that both are setup like that for the buildroot |
| 01:25:20 | Onyx4 | ok im back |
| 01:25:25 | Onyx4 | hey I need some syntax help |
| 01:25:29 | Onyx4 | why is this not working |
| 01:25:36 | Onyx4 | cat /var/run/udhcpc.wlan0.pid | xargs -i kill -TERM {} |
| 01:25:45 | Onyx4 | -i: No such file or directory |
| 01:27:19 | Onyx4 | well i'll rewrite it like this |
| 01:27:26 | Onyx4 | kill -TERM `cat /var/run/udhcpc.%iface%.pid` \ |
| 01:27:30 | TheMasterMind1 | xargs? |
| 01:27:36 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 heh |
| 01:27:42 | Onyx4 | so I'll have a new ifupdown that works now with pcmcia |
| 01:27:51 | Onyx4 | I mean with the new networksetup tool |
| 01:28:02 | Onyx4 | so now everything uses ifup |
| 01:28:10 | Onyx4 | kinda cool |
| 01:33:23 | TheMasterMind1 | ooooh |
| 01:34:00 | Onyx4 | ok nice that works... |
| 01:34:08 | Onyx4 | ifupdown is fixed now, I'll push that |
| 01:34:26 | | i think oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 01:34:26 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz prerelease |
| 01:37:36 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm wtf |
| 01:37:41 | TheMasterMind1 | if i set ipkg to use that feed |
| 01:37:46 | TheMasterMind1 | its not working too well |
| 01:38:25 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg list doesn't show all the new ones in there |
| 01:38:57 | TheMasterMind1 | oh i bet the packages file is old |
| 01:38:57 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 01:39:10 | TheMasterMind1 | goddamit |
| 01:39:18 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`out: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 01:39:38 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot message for kergoth: update the packages file in the latest prerelease!!!!! |
| 01:40:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot message for kergoth: how come it won't let me update the Packages file? |
| 01:40:25 | DaJoker | because it doesn't like you? |
| 01:41:05 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 01:41:13 | TheMasterMind1 | because kergoth took away group permissions |
| 01:41:25 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 you have a feed up? |
| 01:41:36 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 01:41:39 | TheMasterMind1 | where |
| 01:41:45 | | TheMasterMind1: excuse me? |
| 01:41:45 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot onxy4 |
| 01:41:49 | Onyx4 | http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ |
| 01:42:02 | TheMasterMind1 | this is latest? |
| 01:42:15 | | ...but onyx4 is one of the OpenZaurus developpers and also maintains zmencoder (see zmencoder). or Optimized feed at http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/... |
| 01:42:15 | Onyx4 | ibot onyx4 is at http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ |
| 01:42:40 | Onyx4 | yep latest except for my ifupdown which is not there yet |
| 01:42:40 | Onyx4 | hold on |
| 01:42:43 | scanline | is away: zzzzz..... |
| 01:43:03 | Onyx4 | ok now it's all updated to latest |
| 01:44:13 | TheMasterMind1 | Package libopenobex1 (0.9.8-4) installed in root is up to date |
| 01:44:22 | TheMasterMind1 | Only have 1116 available blocks on filesystem /, pkg qt-embedded needs 1444 |
| 01:44:23 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 01:46:34 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 does this have tinyx, php and stuff? |
| 01:46:51 | Onyx4 | no |
| 01:47:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 01:47:04 | Onyx4 | but most of the rest yes |
| 01:47:07 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-f6vKsj http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/Packages' |
| 01:47:08 | Onyx4 | I didn't build pico-gui ,etc |
| 01:47:21 | TheMasterMind1 | nm |
| 01:47:25 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid oz-base |
| 01:59:31 | TheMasterMind1 | Upgrading ipkg from 20021014-1 to 20021012-1 |
| 01:59:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 01:59:32 | imposter_myuu | somebody gimme a quick estimate of how big /opt it |
| 01:59:36 | imposter_myuu | *is |
| 01:59:47 | TheMasterMind1 | imposter_myuu: ? |
| 01:59:58 | imposter_myuu | size of the directory |
| 02:00:00 | TheMasterMind1 | /opt has all the binaries if you're using opie |
| 02:00:21 | imposter_myuu | k |
| 02:00:21 | TheMasterMind1 | probably 80% of the stuff you have in / is in /opt |
| 02:00:31 | TheMasterMind1 | if you're using opie |
| 02:00:38 | TheMasterMind1 | if you're using X or picogui, its not |
| 02:00:58 | imposter_myuu | alright...i dont think i will mount /opt on a 32 meg sd then |
| 02:01:35 | DaJoker | that would be the perfect thing to do |
| 02:01:58 | DaJoker | has all of /opt and part of /usr on an SD |
| 02:02:12 | TheMasterMind1 | imposter_myuu: ?! |
| 02:02:13 | TheMasterMind1 | why not |
| 02:02:23 | imposter_myuu | wouldnt you think its too small? |
| 02:02:29 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 02:02:35 | TheMasterMind1 | the flash is only 16 megs |
| 02:02:53 | TheMasterMind1 | so you have double, plus more since its only /opt |
| 02:03:02 | imposter_myuu | okay, thnx |
| 02:03:13 | imposter_myuu | my 64 meg card is being a pain |
| 02:05:07 | untorn | TheMasterMind1 do you have konq or opera installed to sd in oz? |
| 02:05:38 | TheMasterMind1 | konq yes |
| 02:06:03 | untorn | did you first install to ram then move binary to card or install directlyl to card from ipkg program? |
| 02:06:51 | TheMasterMind1 | -d sd |
| 02:06:54 | TheMasterMind1 | directly |
| 02:07:33 | untorn | TheMasterMind1 did you get the runtime error about not being able to find KDEDIR and the html4.css file? |
| 02:07:59 | imposter_myuu | i need an ipk of opera and java =( |
| 02:08:00 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 02:09:07 | untorn | What version oz are you using...I just updated to oz and am not too familiar yet but I did install konq using force depend to sd card and get that errror |
| 02:09:11 | imposter_myuu | just opera |
| 02:10:57 | TheMasterMind1 | untorn: the latest prerelease? |
| 02:12:02 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: are you done updating from my feed, I want to update pcmcia and ifupdown with the latest one I just changed again |
| 02:12:12 | TheMasterMind1 | its upgrading |
| 02:12:19 | Onyx4 | ok let me know when done |
| 02:12:44 | Onyx4 | btw I found that sometimes when like stuff hangs, doing a "sync" in anohter window clear things up |
| 02:12:53 | Onyx4 | for like opie-base |
| 02:12:55 | Onyx4 | and big packages |
| 02:14:03 | chouimat | back little guys |
| 02:15:54 | imposter_myuu | why do i still get a lot of low memory errors on the 32-0 image? |
| 02:16:33 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 02:16:33 | Dessimat0r | ibot oz prerelease |
| 02:16:39 | cranch | what up peoples :) |
| 02:16:43 | chouimat | hey cranch |
| 02:16:47 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 your upload sucks! |
| 02:16:49 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:16:53 | Onyx4 | hehe I know |
| 02:16:54 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 sync? |
| 02:16:54 | chouimat | cranch: met a nice chick |
| 02:17:01 | cranch | I did? or you did |
| 02:17:02 | chouimat | :) |
| 02:17:11 | Onyx4 | well I'm not seeing anything here actually being transfered |
| 02:17:12 | chouimat | cranch: I did |
| 02:17:13 | cranch | she own a Zaurus? |
| 02:17:15 | cranch | hehe |
| 02:17:18 | Onyx4 | so must be your Z hanging... |
| 02:17:19 | Onyx4 | try sync |
| 02:17:22 | chouimat | cranch: nope |
| 02:17:40 | TheMasterMind1 | man |
| 02:17:42 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg sucks |
| 02:17:44 | TheMasterMind1 | so fucking much |
| 02:17:45 | TheMasterMind1 | i hate it |
| 02:17:51 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm writing my own |
| 02:17:52 | TheMasterMind1 | in php |
| 02:18:08 | chouimat | cranch: but she liked mine .... or mine wang I don't remember ... tooo much beers |
| 02:19:01 | Onyx4 | I'm gonna put a new aqpkg in my feed, Andy says he has re-written it completely |
| 02:19:08 | Onyx4 | so that it handles the upgrades and multiple destination |
| 02:19:21 | TheMasterMind1 | still relies on ipkg |
| 02:19:22 | chouimat | Onyx4: since when the rewrite? |
| 02:19:23 | TheMasterMind1 | so it still sucks |
| 02:19:23 | Onyx4 | he wants us to test it |
| 02:19:31 | Onyx4 | like 2 hours ago |
| 02:19:33 | TheMasterMind1 | fucking pos |
| 02:19:35 | TheMasterMind1 | I HATE IPKG |
| 02:20:00 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 screw it i give up |
| 02:20:00 | Onyx4 | some of the slowlyness is due to jffs2 |
| 02:20:10 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll upgrade when i finish writing my new pkg manager |
| 02:20:28 | Onyx4 | hehe might want to try aqpkg... i'll try it |
| 02:21:00 | TheMasterMind1 | i tried it once |
| 02:21:02 | TheMasterMind1 | it still uses ipkg |
| 02:21:06 | TheMasterMind1 | so it sucks |
| 02:21:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i refuse to use ipkg |
| 02:21:11 | Onyx4 | well... :) |
| 02:21:35 | Onyx4 | I'd say we should fix ipkg, split it into a library |
| 02:21:46 | Onyx4 | then make a cmdline and gui that links to the library |
| 02:21:48 | TheMasterMind1 | that's what you say |
| 02:21:52 | TheMasterMind1 | no one wants to fix it though |
| 02:21:58 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid familiar guys are all lazy |
| 02:22:18 | noda | Moo! |
| 02:22:43 | Dessimat0r | Why don't we create a fork of it then? ;) |
| 02:23:00 | chouimat | noda: *belch* |
| 02:23:03 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: ok so I can flush my feed and re-create it? |
| 02:23:17 | noda | Bah. I was in a real coding mood before, don't feel like it now :( |
| 02:23:19 | noda | Oh well, doing it anyway. |
| 02:23:20 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4yes |
| 02:23:23 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm wtf |
| 02:23:27 | noda | hates how friggin' real life gets in the way of having no life. |
| 02:23:28 | TheMasterMind1 | now opie-login crashes when i login |
| 02:23:29 | TheMasterMind1 | ARGH |
| 02:23:35 | TheMasterMind1 | fuck it |
| 02:23:39 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:23:46 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid pos |
| 02:23:55 | Onyx4 | I have a initrd if you want but my link is slow |
| 02:23:59 | Onyx4 | that's the one i'm using now heh |
| 02:24:00 | TheMasterMind1 | opie and ipkg both suck shit |
| 02:24:13 | Dessimat0r | man, I love the pr0n spam I get in my email :D |
| 02:24:15 | chouimat | noda: I met a very nice chick tonight |
| 02:24:22 | noda | chouimat: Ooh, good for you :) |
| 02:24:33 | noda | Dessimat0r: lol, quite pathetic :) |
| 02:24:38 | chouimat | noda: redhair 5'9" |
| 02:24:42 | Dessimat0r | Subscribe me to moreeeee |
| 02:24:45 | chouimat | 130lbs |
| 02:24:49 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 02:25:02 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: sounds like you met her on irc |
| 02:25:07 | TheMasterMind1 | and that's what she told you she was |
| 02:25:09 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 02:25:10 | noda | lol |
| 02:25:12 | Dessimat0r | Time to check out ampland :P |
| 02:25:31 | TheMasterMind1 | "hi, i'm redhair 5'9" 130lbs female, wanna cyber?" |
| 02:25:36 | TheMasterMind1 | ;) |
| 02:25:40 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: she's the cousin of one of my friend |
| 02:25:41 | noda | a/s/l? :P |
| 02:25:53 | imposter_myuu | where?! |
| 02:25:56 | imposter_myuu | =P |
| 02:26:04 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: heh, i'm just kidding :) jealously is making me do it |
| 02:26:05 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: meet her in person |
| 02:26:05 | TheMasterMind1 | anyway |
| 02:26:12 | TheMasterMind1 | since i'm sick of ipkg and opie |
| 02:26:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm leaving |
| 02:26:17 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:26:22 | TheMasterMind1 | i refuse to use opie and ipkg any more |
| 02:26:22 | noda | is sick of being in love with someone he can never have. |
| 02:26:26 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: she comming here after her shift |
| 02:26:33 | TheMasterMind1 | fluxbox and tmm1-ipkg are the way to go! |
| 02:26:38 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: nice |
| 02:26:40 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: how old are you? |
| 02:26:42 | Dessimat0r | fluxbox? |
| 02:26:48 | noda | TheMasterMind1: openbox! :) |
| 02:26:49 | | TheMasterMind1: i'm not following you... |
| 02:26:49 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot fluxbox |
| 02:26:54 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: fluxbox > * |
| 02:26:55 | noda | installed openbox the other day. It's grate :) |
| 02:26:57 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: guess |
| 02:27:00 | noda | Heh |
| 02:27:03 | imposter_myuu | chouimat:webcom ;) |
| 02:27:07 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: 43 |
| 02:27:07 | imposter_myuu | err,cam |
| 02:27:13 | chouimat | imposter_myuu: no |
| 02:27:17 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: 28 |
| 02:27:24 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: :) |
| 02:27:26 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm 15 |
| 02:27:27 | TheMasterMind1 | anyway |
| 02:27:28 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 02:27:42 | Dessimat0r | l8r |
| 02:27:44 | noda | Man, that's young. :) |
| 02:27:45 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: she's will be here in 1 1/2h |
| 02:27:53 | noda | thought *he* was young to be coding... |
| 02:27:56 | Dessimat0r | 17.. |
| 02:27:56 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:28:01 | noda | 19 in two weeks |
| 02:28:04 | imposter_myuu | 17 here too |
| 02:28:20 | DaJoker | 29 here.. damn kids.. |
| 02:28:22 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 02:28:30 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: hmm, are these fonts and desktop icons and stuff default/ the stuff that's in the screenshots |
| 02:28:42 | Piete | Anyone know where I can get Qtopia Desktop for linux? |
| 02:28:47 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Hrm? |
| 02:28:53 | TheMasterMind1 | wait a second, taht's just natilus isn't it |
| 02:28:53 | DaJoker | Piete: trolltech's site |
| 02:28:54 | TheMasterMind1 | cheap.. |
| 02:28:55 | noda | Piete: Er... trolltech.com? |
| 02:29:09 | Dessimat0r | WE need an Opie desktop ;) |
| 02:29:10 | noda | TheMasterMind1: What screenshots? |
| 02:29:17 | noda | No we DON'T :) |
| 02:29:21 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:29:27 | Dessimat0r | theirs is crap :P |
| 02:29:32 | DaJoker | Piete: ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source/qtopia-desktop-1.6.0beta2-1.i386.rpm |
| 02:29:37 | Piete | they say its not free.. |
| 02:29:38 | chouimat | DaJoker: only one year younger :) |
| 02:29:38 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:29:40 | Piete | ahh |
| 02:29:40 | noda | We need KitchenSync is what we need :) |
| 02:29:41 | Piete | thanks!!! |
| 02:29:45 | Piete | thanks DaJoker |
| 02:29:48 | DaJoker | np |
| 02:29:50 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: actually looks nice.. i'll try it tommorow |
| 02:30:02 | noda | TheMasterMind1: What the hell are you talking about? *is very confused* |
| 02:30:05 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Oh, openbox? |
| 02:30:05 | TheMasterMind1 | looks better than fluxbox, but flux still has a shitload more options and configurability |
| 02:30:05 | ljp- | rsync |
| 02:30:06 | imposter_myuu | i would love to see the option of using X in OZ...made like switching desktops at gpm |
| 02:30:08 | Dessimat0r | HeatSync |
| 02:30:10 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: doh |
| 02:30:15 | TheMasterMind1 | heh anyway |
| 02:30:15 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 02:30:20 | Dessimat0r | l8r |
| 02:30:26 | noda | TheMasterMind1: flux is like a super-pumped up blackbox. openbox is a more minimalist-but-with-cool-features blackbox. |
| 02:30:28 | TheMasterMind1 | imposter_myuu: ah, that's almost working. you can choose on bootup |
| 02:30:30 | noda | No tabs. |
| 02:30:37 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: yea, i don't use tabs anyway |
| 02:30:41 | TheMasterMind1 | but openbox is looking sexy |
| 02:30:45 | TheMasterMind1 | with those antialiased fonts |
| 02:30:49 | TheMasterMind1 | and nautilus in the back |
| 02:30:55 | imposter_myuu | what release TMM? |
| 02:31:07 | Dessimat0r | ah, the nautilus, i was once captain of that fine vessel |
| 02:31:08 | noda | But it can 1) get rid of the menubar, and 2) follow netwm standards, and 3) has a better keybinding thing. |
| 02:31:19 | noda | TheMasterMind1: You know, I can't get fucking AA fonts to work with it to tell you the truth :P |
| 02:31:28 | noda | got fed up after twenty minutes. |
| 02:31:31 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: heh |
| 02:31:36 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll try this tommorow |
| 02:31:38 | TheMasterMind1 | see if i like it |
| 02:31:39 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 02:31:39 | noda | I have AA in all my apps, but the window titles are still boring :) |
| 02:31:43 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Later :) |
| 02:31:44 | Dessimat0r | l8rzzz |
| 02:32:11 | TheMasterMind1 | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 02:32:12 | TheMasterMind1 | fluxbox fluxbox-theme-sid |
| 02:32:12 | TheMasterMind1 | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 02:32:12 | TheMasterMind1 | openbox openbox-tools |
| 02:32:15 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf bullshit? |
| 02:32:19 | noda | WTF? |
| 02:32:22 | noda | That's fucked up :) |
| 02:32:32 | TheMasterMind1 | its openbox-tools doing it |
| 02:32:33 | noda | hates package management so he doesn't do it :) |
| 02:32:40 | noda | What's that, epist? |
| 02:32:47 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh. whatever, i'm out |
| 02:32:56 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: apt-get |
| 02:33:02 | TheMasterMind1 | debian > * |
| 02:33:11 | noda | noda-distro > debian :) |
| 02:33:14 | Dessimat0r | zzzzz |
| 02:33:17 | Dessimat0r | i must doze |
| 02:33:22 | noda | Segmentation fault. (core dumped) |
| 02:33:32 | TheMasterMind1 | lfs freak |
| 02:33:39 | Dessimat0r | Angelic Layer is stuck in my head!!!1 |
| 02:33:53 | noda | Nah, I didn't do it from scratch, I kinda replaced pieces of slackware when updates came out. |
| 02:33:56 | TheMasterMind1 | standards-xml-lfs-classes-oop-dunnopreg-freak :) |
| 02:34:11 | noda | Betcha I can do better pregs than you can :P |
| 02:34:56 | noda | s/TheMasterMind1/TMM1\[sleeeep\]/ <-- see! I rock! :) |
| 02:35:08 | Dessimat0r | the Z causes less sleep, this is not good ;) |
| 02:35:44 | Dessimat0r | a 'high-maintainace' PDA ;) Not that I'm complaining ;) |
| 02:36:07 | noda | Dessimat0r: Hehehe, only if you want it to be :) |
| 02:36:12 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:36:20 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 02:36:28 | [DrEvil] | why wont qt-e compile |
| 02:36:31 | Dessimat0r | I got it because I *need* to know about linux |
| 02:36:47 | Dessimat0r | if I had it in a £360 PDA, it will force me to learn |
| 02:36:49 | Dessimat0r | have |
| 02:37:01 | noda | Dessimat0r: lol, install it on your desktop :) |
| 02:37:07 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:37:08 | noda | Do lfs. You'll learn FAST :P |
| 02:37:35 | Dessimat0r | ah, linux from scratch |
| 02:37:37 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:37:45 | imposter_myuu | *sigh* |
| 02:37:50 | Dessimat0r | I'm thinking of installing Gentoo |
| 02:37:59 | imposter_myuu | i need a way to contribute to OZ |
| 02:38:00 | Dessimat0r | looks pretty decent |
| 02:38:04 | noda | Gentoo is cool, but you won't learn as quickly as you would with lfs :) |
| 02:38:16 | noda | debian is hard to install but very low-maintenance. |
| 02:38:21 | imposter_myuu | ya, lfs is great for learning linux... |
| 02:38:23 | noda | Well, not that hard to install really. |
| 02:38:23 | DaJoker | hard to install?? |
| 02:38:30 | noda | Compared to Mandrake, for example. |
| 02:38:34 | imposter_myuu | debian isnt too bad |
| 02:38:43 | DaJoker | oh yeah.. the "How much linux do you want?" distro |
| 02:38:45 | noda | Yes, I've been through all of them. Even Slack was easier to install, I'm sorry to say. |
| 02:38:45 | Dessimat0r | i contributed! (although I only submitted a text file to fix the spelling errors in medium mount) |
| 02:38:46 | DaJoker | bah.. |
| 02:39:20 | noda | You can contribute by finding and reporting bugs everywhere :) |
| 02:39:22 | imposter_myuu | Slack was slow for me, debian has been...great |
| 02:39:37 | noda | imposter_myuu: So instead of finding the problem you installed another distro? Weird logic :) |
| 02:39:49 | DaJoker | sheesh.. you kids |
| 02:39:50 | noda | imposter_myuu: Not that I'm saying slack is better than debian - it's probably for the best ;) |
| 02:40:04 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 02:40:26 | DaJoker | why, when I first started, there was ONLY slack |
| 02:40:30 | noda | Hehehe |
| 02:40:41 | DaJoker | and to install it, you had to use 21 floppies |
| 02:40:48 | imposter_myuu | noda:well, i was in my 'experimentation' period...just gave me a great reason to try another distro |
| 02:41:02 | noda | imposter_myuu: I did that once. Last time I ever install redhat/mandrake :) |
| 02:41:20 | DaJoker | hard to believe.. been using linux for close to 10 years now |
| 02:41:24 | imposter_myuu | noda:ya...but RH >7.1 is decent |
| 02:41:32 | imposter_myuu | err < |
| 02:41:33 | ljp- | needs something fun to do tonight |
| 02:41:41 | DaJoker | ljp-: jump out a window? |
| 02:41:50 | noda | imposter_myuu: Maybe. 7.0 was so bad it made me hate it forever :) |
| 02:41:53 | ljp- | not fun |
| 02:42:19 | DaJoker | ljp-: chug a few beers? |
| 02:42:23 | imposter_myuu | noda:RH made me hate RH |
| 02:42:23 | ljp- | not fun |
| 02:42:34 | DaJoker | ljp-: prank call that hot chick down the street? |
| 02:43:01 | noda | imposter_myuu: Heh :) |
| 02:43:14 | ljp- | not fun |
| 02:43:48 | DaJoker | ljp-: go downtown and pretend to be a mime? |
| 02:44:43 | ljp- | not fun either |
| 02:45:04 | DaJoker | is getting the idea that ljp- isn't much fun either |
| 02:45:11 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 02:47:06 | ljp- | decides to cluster his zauruii |
| 02:47:28 | DaJoker | now see, why didn't you just start with that.. that IS fun |
| 02:50:25 | noda | has one of those moments where he just thinks to himself, "yeah, vim really does rock." |
| 02:51:35 | ljp- | wow.. you must have gone insane |
| 02:52:25 | | ... the HIGHWAY is made out of LIME JELLO and my HONDA is a barbequeued OYSTER! Yum! |
| 02:52:25 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 02:52:57 | chouimat | noda ping |
| 02:53:57 | noda | chouimat: pong |
| 02:54:21 | ljp- | pang |
| 02:54:30 | chouimat | thong |
| 02:54:31 | imposter_myuu | pung |
| 02:54:37 | noda | chouimat: Hey, it was 1 degree outside this morning :( |
| 02:54:45 | noda | took the air conditioner out of his window. |
| 02:55:00 | imposter_myuu | you re in SD arent you noda? |
| 02:55:24 | noda | imposter_myuu: Montreal |
| 02:55:30 | imposter_myuu | oh, lol |
| 02:55:40 | chouimat | was -2 here i get to bed |
| 02:55:47 | noda | Damn :P |
| 02:55:48 | chouimat | imposter_myuu: Quebec City |
| 02:56:03 | noda | Shit, it's so late and my schedule sucks so much tomorrow... I hate school |
| 02:56:27 | noda | hates lots of things right now. |
| 02:56:46 | imposter_myuu | argh...stupid SD card |
| 02:57:21 | chouimat | spins some attention deficit |
| 02:57:46 | imposter_myuu | Partition check: |
| 02:57:46 | imposter_myuu | mmcda:<3>SD read error 00 |
| 02:57:46 | imposter_myuu | SD read error : data block |
| 02:57:46 | imposter_myuu | SD read error 00 |
| 02:57:46 | imposter_myuu | SD read error : data block |
| 02:57:47 | imposter_myuu | unknown partition table |
| 02:57:51 | imposter_myuu | SD Driver Initialized. |
| 02:57:53 | imposter_myuu | sharp_mmcsd 0.18 01 Jul 2002 |
| 02:58:23 | chouimat | noda? |
| 02:58:24 | imposter_myuu | doesnt see my SD/MMC |
| 02:58:31 | noda | chouimat: Yes? |
| 02:58:51 | noda | imposter_myuu: Lucky - my SD card won't mount at all - freezes opie :) |
| 02:58:54 | chouimat | noda schedule sucks>? |
| 02:59:00 | | i guess kergoth is Chris Larson, the OpenZaurus guy, email at mailto:kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 02:59:00 | mrwoody | ibot: kergoth |
| 02:59:05 | noda | chouimat: Yeah |
| 02:59:06 | | kergoth was last seen on #openzaurus 3 hours, 46 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: its beer-o-clock [Thu Oct 17 17:12:15 2002] |
| 02:59:06 | mrwoody | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 02:59:26 | noda | chouimat: Stupid school. Since Mondays are bad and Fridays are good, and this Monday was a holiday, they decided to make Friday's schedule Monday's this week. |
| 02:59:42 | mrwoody | i am having problems in syncing the zaurus... i can ssh into it... but i cannot access internet from the Z |
| 02:59:48 | mrwoody | using oz |
| 03:00:11 | noda | mrwoody: Two possibilities: 1) your zaurus doesn't have your computer set as gateway (improbable). 2) Your computer isn't routing (very probable) |
| 03:00:13 | mrwoody | does anyone use it with a modem connection? |
| 03:00:26 | noda | mrwoody: You on Windows or Linux? |
| 03:00:29 | mrwoody | noda: i followed ben's faq |
| 03:00:32 | mrwoody | at zauruszone |
| 03:00:34 | mrwoody | linux |
| 03:00:38 | noda | mrwoody: Dunno what that is :) |
| 03:00:58 | mrwoody | noda: what doc did you use? |
| 03:01:01 | imposter_myuu | interesting, i fdisk'ed the card and created a partition, then went back in...no partition! |
| 03:01:06 | noda | mrwoody: I use wireless. No docs. |
| 03:01:23 | noda | mrwoody: If you want I could write one with what I did in it :) |
| 03:01:27 | chouimat | noda 1hr to wait |
| 03:01:54 | noda | chouimat: ? |
| 03:02:02 | chouimat | hot chick |
| 03:02:07 | noda | chouimat: Ah. |
| 03:02:13 | mrwoody | noda: i guess that someone should write better docs... the faq is not really appropriate |
| 03:02:24 | noda | chouimat: I have a chance of one in a million of hanging out with a hot chick tomorrow night... |
| 03:02:33 | noda | mrwoody: I agree. We'll think of something :) |
| 03:02:34 | chouimat | now playing: Attention Deficit: the Risk of Failure |
| 03:02:50 | mrwoody | chouimat: what do you have in your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:02:50 | noda | mrwoody: The faq would work fine with that kind of stuff though, really. |
| 03:03:06 | noda | Question: "How do I connect to the internet?" Answer: <humungous page of info> |
| 03:03:22 | mrwoody | noda: i followed that but didn't get anything at all |
| 03:03:36 | mrwoody | i can ssh to my zaurus... but not more than that |
| 03:03:40 | chouimat | mrwoody: on the desktop or the z |
| 03:03:45 | noda | mrwoody: Okay, I really have no idea what's going on. Have you used iptables to forward internet traffic to your Zaurus? |
| 03:04:00 | mrwoody | chouimat: on the z |
| 03:04:09 | mrwoody | noda: yes i did |
| 03:04:16 | noda | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -i ppp0 -j MASQ or whatever |
| 03:04:39 | chouimat | mrwoody: 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:04:43 | mrwoody | noda: yes... iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o ppp0 --to 206.149.205.231 |
| 03:04:49 | noda | mrwoody: Type "route" on the Z. What does it say? |
| 03:04:55 | mrwoody | chouimat: on your desktop |
| 03:05:19 | chouimat | nameserver 24.200.243.250 |
| 03:05:19 | chouimat | nameserver 205.151.222.250 |
| 03:05:19 | chouimat | nameserver 205.151.222.251 |
| 03:05:19 | chouimat | nameserver 207.35.74.60 |
| 03:05:19 | chouimat | nameserver 207.170.82.202 |
| 03:05:49 | noda | chouimat: lol, that's my NS too, the first one - or at least, used to be until it sucked a lot. and never worked :) |
| 03:06:07 | mrwoody | Kernel IP routing table |
| 03:06:07 | mrwoody | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 03:06:08 | mrwoody | 192.168.129.200 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 usbd0 |
| 03:06:08 | mrwoody | default 192.168.129.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usbd0 |
| 03:06:11 | chouimat | noda: try the second and the third |
| 03:06:23 | noda | chouimat: Nah, I've got a good one now thanks :) |
| 03:06:34 | mrwoody | ehmm... so i have to add that stuff on my desktop?? |
| 03:06:37 | noda | mrwoody: Okay, your desktop isn't forwarding. |
| 03:06:50 | noda | mrwoody: There are TWO iptables commands you have to do. I forget the other. |
| 03:06:53 | mrwoody | noda: how to do that? |
| 03:06:58 | noda | One sec |
| 03:07:04 | mrwoody | noda: i did both |
| 03:07:27 | mrwoody | iptables -t nat -F |
| 03:07:34 | mrwoody | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o ppp0 --to 206.149.205.231 |
| 03:07:36 | noda | iptables -I INPUT -s usbd0 -j ACCEPT |
| 03:07:59 | noda | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -s 192.168.129.0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 03:08:29 | mrwoody | iptables v1.2.7a: host/network `usbd0' not found |
| 03:08:29 | mrwoody | Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information. |
| 03:08:35 | noda | usb0 maybe? |
| 03:08:44 | noda | I forget what the Linux interface is called, never use it any more |
| 03:09:27 | mrwoody | where do i need to add the nameserver? which etc/resolv? |
| 03:09:34 | DaJoker | on the z |
| 03:09:40 | mrwoody | nope |
| 03:09:44 | DaJoker | yep |
| 03:09:45 | mrwoody | DaJoker: ok... |
| 03:09:46 | noda | Yep |
| 03:09:54 | mrwoody | DaJoker: then it was ok |
| 03:09:58 | noda | Or just try a straight ping to an IP... oh, you mean you didn't try that yet??? |
| 03:10:07 | mrwoody | DaJoker: nameserver ipofmyprovider? |
| 03:10:13 | noda | mrwoody: Try this on the Z: "ping 216.239.39.100" |
| 03:10:15 | noda | (google) |
| 03:11:06 | imposter_myuu | anyone have a binary of lynx for zaurus |
| 03:11:16 | mrwoody | noda: now i cannot even ssh on my z |
| 03:11:23 | mrwoody | noda: sorry now i can |
| 03:11:31 | DaJoker | imposter_myuu: you can get links (which is better) |
| 03:11:40 | mrwoody | noda: but doesn't ping |
| 03:12:02 | imposter_myuu | thnx |
| 03:12:10 | | imposter_myuu: what? |
| 03:12:10 | imposter_myuu | ibot killfilez |
| 03:12:12 | noda | mrwoody: Okay then, so it's a routing problem. |
| 03:12:37 | mrwoody | noda: advice? ;-) |
| 03:12:53 | noda | mrwoody: Get wireless :P |
| 03:13:10 | noda | mrwoody: Dunno, something's screwy. I'd need to be there to see it really, I'm a horrible tech-support-over-irc person |
| 03:13:32 | imposter_myuu | argh |
| 03:13:41 | mrwoody | noda: what should the route look like on the Z? |
| 03:13:41 | imposter_myuu | z needs man pages |
| 03:13:49 | noda | mrwoody: Exactly like it does there. |
| 03:14:06 | mrwoody | noda: you mean exactly like what i wrote? |
| 03:14:10 | noda | Yeah |
| 03:14:27 | noda | Your Z's IP is 192.168.128.201, right? |
| 03:14:35 | noda | Er, 129.201 rather |
| 03:14:41 | mrwoody | yes |
| 03:14:54 | DaJoker | you remember to turn on forwarding? |
| 03:14:57 | noda | So yeah, looks to *me* like the Z's set up properly. |
| 03:14:57 | DaJoker | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 03:15:26 | mrwoody | DaJoker i have done that |
| 03:15:59 | chouimat | noda http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/ogg dans 7 minutes |
| 03:16:14 | imposter_myuu | noda:you should try being a tech-over-the-phone guy, oy! |
| 03:16:30 | noda | imposter_myuu: I have :) |
| 03:16:37 | noda | chouimat: What's there? :) |
| 03:16:56 | noda | imposter_myuu: I asked someone to press the delete key on her keyboard. She asked, "Keyboard? Where's that?" |
| 03:17:09 | chouimat | a very good song |
| 03:17:12 | mrwoody | noda: is there any way to check if i am connected to the internet? |
| 03:17:37 | noda | mrwoody: I think being on IRC would be one way :P |
| 03:17:44 | imposter_myuu | noda:for what? |
| 03:17:51 | noda | mrwoody: Pinging 216.239.39.100 would be a good way too. |
| 03:18:06 | noda | imposter_myuu: That was one of my tech-over-the-phone guy experiences :) |
| 03:18:42 | imposter_myuu | noda:tech support for what? |
| 03:18:43 | noda | "Um, it's under your monitor, next to your mouse, where you type stuff in..." "Oh, THAT keyboard!" |
| 03:18:50 | noda | imposter_myuu: My company. |
| 03:18:55 | noda | imposter_myuu: Internal support |
| 03:19:01 | noda | imposter_myuu: For an outside rep |
| 03:19:12 | noda | loathes those outside reps :) |
| 03:19:28 | noda | (much better when WE get to set up their computers) |
| 03:19:37 | imposter_myuu | oh |
| 03:19:40 | chouimat | noda ok |
| 03:19:59 | imposter_myuu | <--Qwest...DSL, ISDN, Dial |
| 03:20:17 | mrwoody | noda: that is strange.. ping 206.149.205.231 works... that is my internet provider\ |
| 03:20:30 | noda | mrwoody: That *is* weird. |
| 03:20:38 | cranch | anyone using tkcRadio? |
| 03:20:55 | noda | accuses chouimat of having a really slow connection (like his) |
| 03:20:56 | chouimat | noda: go to http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/ogg |
| 03:21:00 | chouimat | cranch: nope |
| 03:21:08 | noda | chouimat: Downloading... 8% |
| 03:21:15 | cranch | chouimat: why not :P |
| 03:21:17 | chouimat | noda one of my download the song |
| 03:21:24 | cranch | chouimat: looks like a pretty cool progie... |
| 03:21:33 | cranch | I could never get zRadio to work.. |
| 03:21:44 | cranch | too bad the free version of tkcRadio only does ogg... |
| 03:21:59 | cranch | I only have mp3's and I don't want to covert them because iTunes won't play them by default :) |
| 03:22:27 | DaJoker | cranch: why not use op2 or xmms? |
| 03:23:00 | noda | cranch: Don't convert mp3's. Hasn't your mother ever told you not to convert between lossy compression formats? :) |
| 03:23:25 | cranch | noda: yeah..I'd have to have them all in wav before I'd ever rip off to ogg |
| 03:23:25 | cranch | :) |
| 03:23:40 | cranch | DaJoker: I suppose I could....I haven't been to zsi in about a month :) GASP |
| 03:23:48 | | cranch: what? |
| 03:23:48 | cranch | ibot: serach zsi for op2 |
| 03:23:48 | noda | cranch: However, I think ffmpeg does on-demand conversion. not sure. There are programs that do, I'm sure :) |
| 03:23:56 | | i heard op2 was opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 03:23:56 | noda | ibot op2 |
| 03:24:00 | cranch | :P |
| 03:24:18 | chouimat | so noda? |
| 03:24:26 | noda | chouimat: Time left: 9 minutes |
| 03:25:11 | cranch | I love gentoo |
| 03:26:03 | chouimat | loves horny chicks |
| 03:26:13 | chouimat | oops wrong windows |
| 03:26:20 | cranch | haha |
| 03:26:35 | cranch | well...I suppose..its about my magical time to go to bed... |
| 03:26:37 | imposter_myuu | haha |
| 03:26:42 | cranch | damn classes could stop ANYTIME! |
| 03:28:04 | cranch | night all |
| 03:29:29 | noda | chouimat: Okay, 3 minutes left, guess I can start playing :) |
| 03:30:16 | noda | chouimat: Really like the percussion :) |
| 03:30:59 | chouimat | noda: the guitar player is the original guitar player of testament |
| 03:32:07 | mrwoody | noda: it looks like now i can telnet ip#... but not names |
| 03:32:20 | noda | mrwoody: Great. Now put some DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:32:27 | noda | mrwoody: Just copy the one from your desktop to your Z. |
| 03:33:13 | mrwoody | noda: works great... thanks a lot |
| 03:33:15 | chouimat | noda how the song? |
| 03:33:38 | noda | chouimat: I like it :) |
| 03:34:07 | noda | 's no Dave Matthews but I like it :) |
| 03:34:26 | mrwoody | how about to upgrade my oz? |
| 03:34:39 | chouimat | noda: Attention Deficit The Idiot King... look at the cover on www.cdnow.com |
| 03:34:42 | mrwoody | noda: ipkg update give me error |
| 03:34:53 | mrwoody | Downloading http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/Packages |
| 03:34:53 | mrwoody | wget: server returned error 404: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found |
| 03:34:53 | mrwoody | ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-Csv8wW http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/Packages' |
| 03:34:54 | noda | mrwoody: That's strange. It shouldn't. |
| 03:35:03 | noda | mrwoody: Ah, that's because it doesn't exist any more. |
| 03:35:05 | | oz feed is probably http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/ |
| 03:35:05 | noda | ibot oz feed |
| 03:35:15 | noda | mrwoody: You gotta change /etc/ipkg.conf to point to that instead. |
| 03:36:24 | cerezu | hrm |
| 03:36:25 | mrwoody | noda: where? |
| 03:36:32 | cerezu | kergoth's still gone? |
| 03:36:34 | noda | mrwoody: /etc/ipkg.conf. I think. |
| 03:36:44 | DaJoker | yes.. /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 03:37:03 | DaJoker | see the line in there that says: src oz3 http://blahblahblahbalh |
| 03:37:15 | DaJoker | change the URL to the one that ibot just spit out above |
| 03:38:08 | chouimat | noda how to you like the cover? |
| 03:38:10 | noda | mrwoody: I suggest you *don't* upgrade your ibot :) |
| 03:38:20 | noda | chouimat: Oh, sorry, wasn't looking - got admin working on my FAQ thingy :) |
| 03:39:04 | mrwoody | noda: ok... i will continue tomorrow... thanks for your help. |
| 03:39:06 | noda | browses... |
| 03:39:10 | noda | mrwoody: No prob :) |
| 03:39:15 | noda | goes bleh. |
| 03:40:31 | noda | chouimat: Heh, like the cover :) |
| 03:41:18 | chouimat | noda nice little dog |
| 03:42:57 | chouimat | noda: some people didn't buy the album because they didn't liked the cover |
| 03:43:15 | noda | chouimat: lol |
| 03:48:33 | chouimat | noda:quoi? |
| 03:48:49 | noda | chouimat: Nothing |
| 03:49:07 | chouimat | noda it's a very good album |
| 03:49:14 | noda | chouimat: Sounds pretty good :) |
| 03:51:29 | noda | Hrm... anyone wanna have fun adding FAQs to my site? :) |
| 03:52:13 | chouimat | noda: yup: with a girl don't be a fool wrap your tool |
| 03:52:24 | noda | Hehehe |
| 03:52:41 | noda | has a feeling that the way things are going with this girl his tool is not going to be that useful anytime soon. |
| 03:53:26 | chouimat | noda: test it manual once a month just to be sure your tool would work when you will need it :) |
| 03:54:05 | noda | lol |
| 03:54:21 | chouimat | noda: :) |
| 03:55:01 | chouimat | noda: would have some nice log :) |
| 03:56:05 | chouimat | night |
| 04:25:27 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 04:25:27 | hvarotto | ibot oz prerelease |
| 04:25:57 | ljp- | I hate floppies |
| 04:31:21 | [DrEvil] | who gave kergoth the night off? |
| 04:48:06 | [DrEvil] | oh look |
| 04:48:18 | [DrEvil] | kergoth is finally here |
| 04:48:50 | kergoth | hides |
| 04:49:00 | [DrEvil] | any issues compiling qt-e? |
| 04:49:21 | kergoth | naw |
| 04:49:30 | [DrEvil] | good for you |
| 04:49:36 | [DrEvil] | I am having issues |
| 04:50:07 | untorn | when I tryto run konq in oz I get the message : Segmentation fault...anyone know what this means or how to fix it? |
| 04:50:29 | kergoth | untorn: which konq package did tyou get |
| 04:50:31 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: what issues? |
| 04:50:40 | [DrEvil] | hang on |
| 04:50:51 | cerezu | kergoth: ya there? |
| 04:50:56 | [DrEvil] | I gotta let it run through |
| 04:51:26 | untorn | kergoth 20020311 |
| 04:51:27 | kergoth | cerezu: yeah |
| 04:51:28 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: k |
| 04:51:32 | kergoth | untorn: old. get a new one |
| 04:53:10 | [DrEvil] | qutfcodec.o: In function `QUtf16Decoder::~QUtf16Decoder [in-charge deleting]()': |
| 04:53:11 | [DrEvil] | qutfcodec.o(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZN13QUtf16DecoderD0Ev+0x23): undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)' |
| 04:53:11 | [DrEvil] | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 04:53:11 | [DrEvil] | make[3]: *** [moc] Error 1 |
| 04:53:15 | [DrEvil] | lots of stuff like that |
| 04:53:21 | kergoth | hrm, doesnt ring a bell |
| 04:53:32 | kergoth | moc, error 1 |
| 04:53:35 | kergoth | so its erroring building moc |
| 04:53:41 | kergoth | what compiler is it using, your stock 3.2 one right? |
| 04:54:14 | kergoth | ibot: message for themastermind1: libtool will be fixed tomorrow when i'm at work unless you want to do it yourself. I had shit to get done tonight. |
| 04:54:24 | Onyx4 | hey kergoth |
| 04:54:26 | [DrEvil] | the Embedix one |
| 04:54:33 | Onyx4 | I fixed the latest issues with ifupdown and pcmcia for udhcpc |
| 04:54:44 | Onyx4 | so now it's working fine with just interfaces/ifupdown |
| 04:54:47 | untorn | Anyone know where the newest version of konq is at? |
| 04:54:47 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: i mean, the moc build is compiling with an x86 compile, which one |
| 04:54:50 | kergoth | Onyx4: what was the issue? |
| 04:54:55 | kergoth | untorn: check the ipaq opie feeds |
| 04:55:06 | Onyx4 | kergoth: some busybox syntax in ifupdown for inet.def |
| 04:55:22 | [DrEvil] | oh |
| 04:55:27 | [DrEvil] | then that would be gcc3.2 |
| 04:55:28 | Onyx4 | some just a minor patch for ifupdown and it works |
| 04:55:49 | kergoth | Onyx4: gotcha. those busybox syntax issues have caught us before. cool. |
| 04:55:52 | untorn | kergoth 20020311 is the newest konq I know of...where can I get a newer version? |
| 04:56:00 | kergoth | untorn: the *ipaq opie feeds* like i just said. |
| 04:56:13 | kergoth | untorn: try the normal places. say, http://opie.info/ for example |
| 04:56:16 | | opie feed is http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq or newer on http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/ or at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ or http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/zaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org |
| 04:56:16 | kergoth | ibot opie feed |
| 04:56:19 | kergoth | look around |
| 04:57:29 | kergoth | doesnt have time to handhold people |
| 04:57:41 | kergoth | Onyx4: thanks for dealing with the ifupdown issues, i appreciate it |
| 04:58:08 | Onyx4 | hehe no problem, now my Z works real great...I reflashed it using my latest image done with a clean build |
| 04:58:28 | kergoth | the oz-base fix for the mtdblock6 mount on initial boot worked right? |
| 04:58:28 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:58:29 | Onyx4 | so I think we should put up a new feed/prerelease with those changes in it |
| 04:58:39 | Onyx4 | oh and Andy already fixed some aqpkg issues.. |
| 04:58:42 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:58:45 | kergoth | i follow the cvs logs too :) |
| 04:58:55 | Onyx4 | I don't, so I see the changes hehe |
| 04:59:12 | untorn | kergoth thanks buddy |
| 04:59:19 | kergoth | untorn: np |
| 04:59:24 | kergoth | hunger_: hey |
| 04:59:29 | untorn | kergoth seeya later... |
| 04:59:35 | kergoth | untorn: later |
| 04:59:43 | kergoth | man |
| 04:59:49 | kergoth | i didnt do a *damn* thing at work today |
| 04:59:50 | kergoth | nothing |
| 04:59:54 | cerezu | kergoth: I have a question. Unrelated to the handler, how would I set up linux to reject certain routes based on user accounts, is there a way? |
| 04:59:56 | kergoth | i wonder if i'll have a boss talk tomorrow |
| 04:59:57 | kergoth | hrm |
| 05:00:17 | kergoth | cerezu: so iptables rules based on user? i believe there is a module to allow such a thing |
| 05:00:20 | cerezu | or would I use chgrp on eth0/eth1? |
| 05:00:36 | kergoth | well, eth0 and eth1 arent files. they're devices. chgrp only applies to files |
| 05:01:25 | cerezu | but everything in unix is a file? |
| 05:01:32 | kergoth | not network devices. |
| 05:01:36 | kergoth | normal devices yes. |
| 05:01:39 | kergoth | network interfaces, no. |
| 05:01:49 | kergoth | a network interfaces is its own thing |
| 05:02:03 | kergoth | use iptables with the module to match traffic based on user |
| 05:02:45 | cerezu | okay. |
| 05:02:58 | cerezu | know any sites that I could download such a module or get help from? |
| 05:03:01 | kergoth | i forget the name of the module though |
| 05:03:06 | kergoth | netfilter.org |
| 05:03:07 | kergoth | iirc |
| 05:04:49 | cerezu | it's iptables.org |
| 05:08:49 | | oz prerelease is probably http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 05:08:49 | plastik_ | ibot oz prerelease |
| 05:29:47 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 05:29:47 | APOX | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 05:42:11 | untorn | kergoth and his OZ got him wireless in less than 1 minute |
| 05:43:50 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:44:59 | untorn | sorry meant to say got me wireless... |
| 05:45:17 | untorn | jus' trying to pay homage to kergoth |
| 05:45:19 | kergoth | oh okay, that makes more sense |
| 05:45:20 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:45:23 | kergoth | thanks |
| 05:45:54 | untorn | kergoth been up since five...quite easy to type without thinking... |
| 05:46:27 | kergoth | yah, know how that goes |
| 05:46:40 | kergoth | i'm tired, drained, and semi-drunk, and ready for bed |
| 05:46:41 | kergoth | myself |
| 05:46:42 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:47:21 | cerezu | me too, heh |
| 05:47:26 | cerezu | except for the semi-drunk part, heh |
| 05:47:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:48:06 | kergoth | too much whiskey and rum, i'm thinking |
| 05:48:09 | kergoth | wanders off to bed |
| 05:48:11 | kergoth | night all |
| 05:49:14 | untorn | though kergoth was like 19 |
| 05:49:14 | cerezu | later |
| 05:49:15 | untorn | =] |
| 05:50:34 | kergoth | is 22 |
| 05:50:34 | untorn | frekin kids! taking over |
| 05:50:34 | untorn | =) |
| 05:50:34 | | i guess opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://www.opie.info/ http://www.opie.us/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation or respect |
| 05:50:34 | untorn | ibot opie |
| 05:50:50 | cerezu | untorn: hey, I just turned 17, heh |
| 05:51:13 | untorn | cerezu: I'm that age as well..heh |
| 05:53:04 | cerezu | Once upon time someone asked me about a social life, I was in shock, and then told them to hold on a minute, I wandered back in with my Z with terminal open while it was compiling, and then they slapped me and I slapped them back, WHAAAACKKKKKKKK! then I went to get something and came back with my keyboard and used it as a bat :) hehehehehehe.. |
| 05:59:14 | TDTLaptop | I doubt the bot will know this, but I was curious if anyone here did JAVA work on the zaurus? |
| 06:02:57 | untorn | how do you ftp to oz open 192.168.129.201 4242 root [no password] |
| 06:04:05 | Onyx4 | untorn: set the security preferences in the settings |
| 06:15:41 | untorn | Onyx4 whats the password? |
| 06:15:49 | Onyx4 | nothing by default |
| 06:15:55 | Onyx4 | I think |
| 06:16:39 | untorn | my login is failing because of a bad password... |
| 06:16:53 | untorn | 530 Please login with USER and PASS |
| 06:21:23 | cerezu | damn. My little weak spot is bitwise, hehe :) |
| 06:22:16 | untorn | Onyx4 I get a message on the oz about unauthorized user trying to sync...only option I have is to deny... |
| 06:22:32 | untorn | Onyx4 I set the security the 'any' though. |
| 07:26:42 | | i think oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 07:26:42 | AndyQ | ibot oz prerelease |
| 07:27:28 | | konqueror is at http://bolug.uni-bonn.de/files/konq-e/ or at http://www.konqueror.org |
| 07:27:28 | untorn | ibot konqueror |
| 07:52:06 | | i think oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 07:52:06 | smee|h | ibot oz prerelease |
| 08:18:40 | scanline | is back (gone 06:35:57) |
| 08:26:38 | cerezu | does OZ have an rc.local for script procedures during startup, such as /etc/rc.d/rc.local? |
| 08:29:01 | nr | is it possible with openzaurus to rotate apps ? this feature exists in opie but is it already in oz ? |
| 08:32:08 | nr | is there a "rotate everything" app ? |
| 08:51:01 | nr | seems that konqueror needs qpe-base , does it mean I cant install konqueror on oz ? |
| 10:22:08 | | oz prerelease is, like, http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021011_1801/ |
| 10:22:08 | kolla | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 10:33:07 | kolla | huh.. wtf is that kernel module doing _there_ |
| 10:34:50 | nr | oz uses which version of opie at this time ? |
| 10:43:17 | kolla | nr: 0.9.1 |
| 10:43:59 | kolla | wonder what the idea of putting the sharp_mmcsd_m.o in /usr/sharp/ is |
| 10:49:55 | kolla | hm... something fishy with current ssh? |
| 10:57:35 | cerezu | I am seriously getting pissed with opie mediaplayer |
| 10:58:28 | kolla | which one of them? |
| 10:58:35 | kolla | I mostly use xmms to play music |
| 11:00:19 | cerezu | I cant get the codecs to work |
| 11:06:48 | cerezu | that's odd.... |
| 11:08:02 | noidd | ello ljp- |
| 11:29:25 | | i heard oz prerelease was http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021011_1801/ |
| 11:29:25 | AndyQ | ibot oz prerelease |
| 11:33:55 | noidd | thats not the latest |
| 11:34:38 | | killefiz: I forgot oz prerelease |
| 11:34:38 | killefiz | ibot: forget oz prerelease |
| 11:34:48 | | OK, killefiz. |
| 11:34:48 | killefiz | ibot: oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 11:34:58 | noidd | much better :-) |
| 11:35:24 | killefiz | i wonder why it has been reverted in ibot ... maybe ibot crashed |
| 11:35:30 | | i haven't a clue, killefiz |
| 11:35:30 | killefiz | ibot did you crash? |
| 11:36:24 | noidd | yes ibot did |
| 12:04:21 | mrwoody | root@zaurus:~> ipkg update |
| 12:04:21 | mrwoody | Downloading http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/unstable//Packages |
| 12:04:22 | mrwoody | wget: server returned error 404: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found |
| 12:04:22 | mrwoody | ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-qLZlpY http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/unstable//Packages' |
| 12:04:28 | mrwoody | does anyone know why? |
| 12:07:57 | | kergoth was last seen on #openzaurus 5 days, 13 hours, 7 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: ARGHS [Sat Oct 12 17:00:49 2002] |
| 12:07:57 | mrwoody | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 12:10:20 | | oz prerelease is probably http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 12:10:20 | killefiz | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 12:13:51 | mrwoody | killefiz: can you show me your ipkg.conf |
| 12:14:03 | mrwoody | what do you have after src? |
| 12:15:40 | killefiz | mrwoody: no, i cant my z is at home and i'm at work |
| 12:15:54 | mrwoody | killefiz: ok |
| 12:44:40 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 12:44:40 | Dessimat0r | ibot oz prerelease |
| 12:44:53 | Dessimat0r | gah |
| 12:44:54 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 12:57:59 | noidd | gah? |
| 12:59:21 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 12:59:21 | hvarotto | ibot oz prerelease |
| 13:21:26 | mrwoody | is it normal if ssh is extremely slow to connect |
| 13:23:30 | | kergoth was last seen on #openzaurus 5 days, 14 hours, 22 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: ARGHS [Sat Oct 12 17:00:49 2002] |
| 13:23:30 | mrwoody | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 13:24:07 | mrwoody | i get this error: Upgrading oz-base from unstable-13 to unstable-14b |
| 13:24:09 | mrwoody | ERROR: Package oz-base wants to install file /dev/console |
| 13:24:09 | mrwoody | But that file is already provided by package <no package> |
| 13:24:09 | mrwoody | Please move this file out of the way and try again. |
| 13:24:12 | mrwoody | shall i worry? |
| 13:50:12 | ljp_work | woot! I have printing! |
| 13:50:52 | numatrix | mrwoody: It can take a few seconds. How long is extremely slow? |
| 14:07:57 | ljp_work | hey bipolar! hows that fiero? |
| 14:10:13 | ljp_work | damn modem |
| 14:18:59 | AndyQ | su |
| 14:20:04 | bipolar | ljp_work: My fiero needs $400 of work. |
| 14:20:09 | _ibz|work | sudo |
| 14:20:54 | ljp_work | heh typical ;) so does mine.. struts.. speakers.. |
| 14:21:02 | bipolar | ljp_work:I'm trying to sell my Jeep Cherokee. :) |
| 14:22:04 | ljp_work | if I get this sys admin job.. I'll be able to fix mine up |
| 14:22:43 | ljp_work | and save for the inevitable engine rebuild it needs |
| 14:25:55 | ljp_work | and it needs to run linux ;) |
| 14:25:58 | ljp_work | heh |
| 14:26:12 | bipolar | ljp_work: find a place to mount a zaurus :) |
| 14:26:32 | bipolar | Anyone know if the muli user stuff has been worked out yet? |
| 14:30:20 | ljp_work | I think it just needs the user to be made into the relevant groups |
| 14:30:58 | | what's up, bipolar |
| 14:30:58 | bipolar | kergoth: hello |
| 14:31:01 | kergoth | heyy |
| 14:31:08 | kergoth | wtf how did the bot get into that mode |
| 14:31:13 | | bipolar: what? |
| 14:31:13 | bipolar | ibot: I was not talking to you! |
| 14:31:25 | | bonjour, bipolar |
| 14:31:25 | bipolar | hello |
| 14:31:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:31:32 | | Since Fri Oct 18 06:06:27 2002, there have been 14 modifications and 17 questions. I have been awake for 2 hours, 25 minutes, 5 seconds this session, and currently reference 84754 factoids. Addressing is in required mode. |
| 14:31:32 | kergoth | ibot status |
| 14:31:33 | bipolar | god... ibot is nosy |
| 14:31:37 | kergoth | er, werid |
| 14:31:39 | kergoth | he's in required mode |
| 14:31:41 | kergoth | wtf |
| 14:32:21 | DaJoker | kergoth: question for ya.. trying to make image.. failing on networksetup stuff.. it built, but the ipk is not building for networksetup |
| 14:33:06 | kergoth | DaJoker: your opie is old |
| 14:33:10 | DaJoker | this was from a fresh buildroot pull last night |
| 14:33:11 | kergoth | DaJoker: cvs up -Pd it |
| 14:33:17 | kergoth | its not up to date. |
| 14:33:23 | kergoth | benmeyer fixed it last night |
| 14:33:28 | bipolar | wishes there was an server side imap filter that had a pretty gui... |
| 14:34:47 | kergoth | bipolar: ahem.. procmail.. :) |
| 14:34:55 | kergoth | dont need no stinking gui |
| 14:34:56 | kergoth | :) |
| 14:35:27 | DaJoker | bipolar: sieve.. has several frontends for creating rulesets |
| 14:35:55 | DaJoker | cvs update: authorization failed: server cvs.handhelds.org rejected access to /cvs for user anoncvs |
| 14:35:55 | DaJoker | cvs update: used empty password; try "cvs login" with a real password |
| 14:35:57 | DaJoker | grrr.. |
| 14:36:02 | kergoth | celebrate relentlessness, menace to society |
| 14:36:11 | kergoth | DaJoker: CVS_PASSFILE=`pwd`/../../.cvspass cvs up -Pd |
| 14:36:13 | kergoth | DaJoker: :) |
| 14:36:36 | JasonNJ | man its such a downer to be on the #opie channel |
| 14:37:04 | JasonNJ | freakin germans always complaining! |
| 14:37:06 | JasonNJ | :) |
| 14:37:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:37:22 | JasonNJ | opie needs more american blood |
| 14:37:28 | ljp_work | they must have alot to complain about |
| 14:37:49 | ljp_work | There's a few US'ers |
| 14:38:11 | kergoth | dont look at me, I dont want to get really good at gui coding |
| 14:38:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:38:30 | ciaolinux | morning kergoth... shall i worry if i get this error message: i get this error: Upgrading oz-base from unstable-13 to unstable-14b |
| 14:38:30 | ciaolinux | ERROR: Package oz-base wants to install file /dev/console |
| 14:38:30 | ciaolinux | But that file is already provided by package <no package> |
| 14:38:36 | DaJoker | seems they can't decide what 'really good at gui coding' is over there |
| 14:38:40 | DaJoker | so I don't think it matter kergoth |
| 14:38:41 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 14:39:44 | kergoth | ciaolinux: wow, thats an old oz-base. try rm'ing he file it says about |
| 14:39:47 | kergoth | DaJoker: true that |
| 14:40:56 | ciaolinux | kergoth: which one is old? the 13 or the 14b? |
| 14:41:26 | kergoth | ciaolinux: 13. whenever you get that error, just rm the file thats conflicting. (assuming its provided by <no package>) |
| 14:42:19 | ciaolinux | kergoth: ok... thanks. The rest seems to work great, except for the todo app: there are some strange problems with that |
| 14:42:42 | ciaolinux | kergoth: is it supposed to work? |
| 14:42:47 | bipolar | Who is Holger? |
| 14:42:57 | bipolar | I knoiw he's a usual :) |
| 14:43:38 | bipolar | ok... it's zecke...nevermind :) |
| 14:45:59 | noda | Moo! |
| 14:46:14 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 14:46:14 | noda | ibot oz prerelease |
| 14:46:39 | noda | Whee! Time to work out the last kinks on the FAQ site, so that it'll actually be functional :) |
| 14:47:02 | ciaolinux | noda: does your todo app work on oz? |
| 14:47:13 | noda | ciaolinux: My todo app? I didn't know I had one :) |
| 14:47:44 | kergoth | todo works |
| 14:48:02 | noda | is a bit confused, but he uses opie's todo list app. |
| 14:48:05 | ciaolinux | kergoth: it doesn't show me the details... unless i edit a data again |
| 14:48:53 | kergoth | ciaolinux: what timestamp is your opie-todo? |
| 14:49:16 | ciaolinux | kergoth: i updated few minutes ago |
| 14:49:25 | kergoth | ? |
| 14:49:29 | kergoth | that means nothing. |
| 14:49:34 | kergoth | updated from where? |
| 14:49:40 | ciaolinux | from oz prerelease |
| 14:49:42 | kergoth | there are at least 8 feeds i know of off the top of my head. |
| 14:49:50 | | oz prerelease is probably http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 14:49:50 | ciaolinux | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 14:49:54 | ciaolinux | kergoth |
| 14:50:06 | ciaolinux | : i am very new in this thing... how to find oout the version? |
| 14:50:14 | kergoth | run oipkg? |
| 14:50:18 | kergoth | tap on opie-todo |
| 14:50:20 | kergoth | look at Version |
| 14:50:26 | kergoth | or drop to a prompt, run ipkg info opie-todo |
| 14:51:31 | ciaolinux | kergoth: there are two opie-todo... in oipkg |
| 14:51:57 | ciaolinux | kergoth: 0.9.1 |
| 14:52:22 | kergoth | ciaolinux: just report the bug to the opie folks, tell them its 0.9.1 built from cvs on 20021015 |
| 14:52:25 | | hmmm... opie bugs is http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 14:52:25 | kergoth | ibot opie bugs |
| 14:52:29 | kergoth | err |
| 14:52:31 | kergoth | actually |
| 14:52:34 | ciaolinux | kergoth: ok. |
| 14:52:36 | kergoth | tell them its built as of 1007 |
| 14:52:47 | kergoth | yeah |
| 14:52:49 | kergoth | 20021007 |
| 14:52:52 | kergoth | we're using an old todo version |
| 14:53:00 | kergoth | cause they're in the middle of changing it big time |
| 14:53:03 | kergoth | so for all we know the bug is fixed |
| 14:53:04 | kergoth | :) |
| 14:53:09 | ciaolinux | kergoth: ok thanks. |
| 14:53:42 | ciaolinux | kergoth: this is more important... is it normal that in oipkg there are a lot of boxes that are closed... i.e. they look like packages that have not been installed |
| 14:54:31 | ciaolinux | kergoth: no sorry... i think that i understand now... they still need to be downloaded, rite? |
| 14:55:02 | noda | kergoth: Oh, btw, the site has access permissions now. :) |
| 14:55:09 | noda | kergoth: Want me to register you as an admin? :) |
| 14:55:29 | kergoth | ciaolinux: probably. check the help menu, it shows you what the icons mean |
| 14:55:31 | kergoth | noda: please do |
| 14:55:38 | kergoth | schurig: greetings :) |
| 14:57:37 | noda | kergoth: Deletion of categories, admins and faqs is on the way ;) |
| 14:57:40 | schurig | kergoth: before I do any write access, I have to master the current system. I changed some parts of your old build system, e.g. in the sourcetree file |
| 14:58:12 | schurig | I added code that could simply copy a whole directory. So I was able to have my systemname-base in CVS, not in a TAR file |
| 14:58:20 | schurig | (I felt it is ugly to have a binary file in CVS) |
| 14:58:49 | schurig | I also made some design changes for our box, e.g. I did not populate /dev with some stuff, but instead used devfs with automount. |
| 14:59:00 | kergoth | schurig: sourcetree can handle a local directory, it'll copy the dir over into build |
| 14:59:09 | kergoth | schurig: oh good. if we werent on 2.4.6 i'd do the same thing. |
| 14:59:12 | schurig | I had to change qt for the new paths, but for me this is much cleaner ... |
| 14:59:33 | JasonNJ | sch: what kinda project are you working on? |
| 14:59:51 | schurig | kergoth: hmm, than it was something different that I changed... ... ah, now I know. To have empty directories in the CVS, I put |
| 14:59:55 | kergoth | schurig: i dont blame you. devfs makes it much simpler, no need for a /dev ramdisk.. or anything |
| 15:00:09 | schurig | ".cvs_keep_dir" files into them. sourcetree copies the dir, but then deletes those files ... |
| 15:01:01 | kergoth | ahh, well feel free to do such a thing here if you feel its necessary. we're using some ugly perl scripts instead of those heavily bash dependent shell scripts. they're in scripts/ .. they're ugly, but they work |
| 15:01:15 | schurig | JasonNJ: a industry device. You can smash it onto the wall and it still works. I can not say much more ... |
| 15:01:18 | JasonNJ | wicked. |
| 15:01:38 | JasonNJ | my idea of a pda. |
| 15:02:00 | kergoth | hehe, indeed. |
| 15:02:03 | noda | Mmm, I want one! |
| 15:03:56 | schurig | JasonNJ: but when you see the price-tag, you will immediately abandon the thought ... it's not a PDA ... |
| 15:04:24 | schurig | schurig: althought it could be one if you install the right ipk's ... |
| 15:04:24 | tux_mike | i know laptops that you can drop onto a cement floor from 8 feet up and they will bounce :) |
| 15:04:24 | kergoth | JasonNJ: cerezu volunteered to assist on the sl5x00 kernel, he's cleaning up and finishing my input layer keyboard driver for the Z. |
| 15:04:24 | kergoth | JasonNJ: just an fyi |
| 15:04:25 | tux_mike | and not be damaged |
| 15:05:12 | schurig | kergoth: I guess that the config.in is used for Roman Zippel's build system? Does then the Makefile still honor the "Depends =" line or is this now purely for the *.ipk? |
| 15:05:18 | JasonNJ | kergoth: excellent. |
| 15:05:41 | JasonNJ | the 5500 needs a major kernel upgrade |
| 15:05:54 | JasonNJ | that device would do so much better with 2.4.19 |
| 15:06:09 | JasonNJ | gah |
| 15:06:14 | kergoth | schurig: Depends= is now purely for ipk creation. currently config.in depends control the configuration system only, and you must edit packages/Makefile to establish actual dependencies. Generating packages/Makefile from teh config.in dependency tree is on my todo list :) |
| 15:06:50 | tux_mike | kergoth: you hear word about sprint's new plans? |
| 15:06:51 | noda | Woo! Admin deletion works :) |
| 15:07:40 | kergoth | schurig: i'd also like to remove the make recursion completely |
| 15:07:40 | kergoth | tux_mike: no, whats up |
| 15:07:43 | tux_mike | http://www3.sprint.com/PR/CDA/PR_CDA_Press_Releases_Detail/0,3245,1111390,00.html just this |
| 15:08:38 | schurig | kergoth: Ok, thanks. It's 17:07 hours now in western europe, a nice weekend is in front of me. So I will be busy beginning next week :-) |
| 15:09:11 | kergoth | tux_mike: $10 for unlimited? niftyy |
| 15:09:12 | kergoth | schurig: hehe. understood. have a good weekend :) |
| 15:09:13 | ljp_work | hmmm |
| 15:09:13 | tux_mike | kerg: quite. now if i could only get my laptop :) |
| 15:09:13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:09:13 | kergoth | i still want a CF 3g card or a 3g phone w/ BT |
| 15:09:13 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:10:12 | tux_mike | yah, but that's asking too much |
| 15:10:21 | ciaolinux | kergoth: are they planning one? |
| 15:10:24 | tux_mike | i'm hapy with what i got |
| 15:10:27 | kergoth | doesnt know |
| 15:10:40 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:11:00 | kergoth | hey chouimat, how are ya |
| 15:11:12 | chouimat | a little tired |
| 15:11:24 | kergoth | me too |
| 15:12:08 | noda | chouimat: How did the girl thing go? |
| 15:12:17 | kergoth | girl thing? |
| 15:12:29 | chouimat | noda why do you think I'm tired |
| 15:12:39 | noda | kergoth: chouimat had a lady friend over last night ;) |
| 15:12:42 | noda | congratulates chouimat. |
| 15:12:55 | ljp_work | heh |
| 15:12:55 | ljp_work | girl thaaang |
| 15:12:55 | chouimat | kergoth: a girl get here last night |
| 15:12:55 | kergoth | had a good time then i take it |
| 15:12:55 | kergoth | hey prp |
| 15:13:33 | chouimat | noda: thnaks. good luck tonight |
| 15:13:44 | noda | chouimat: Heh, nothing's gonna happen most likely. |
| 15:14:10 | kergoth | noda: got a date tonight? |
| 15:14:14 | noda | kergoth: Nope. |
| 15:14:18 | kergoth | bah that sucks |
| 15:14:23 | kergoth | i need to start dating again |
| 15:14:24 | noda | kergoth: Girl I've been after MIGHT feel like seeing me for a few minutes though. |
| 15:14:35 | kergoth | noda: hah, well thats something eh |
| 15:14:48 | noda | kergoth: Heh, she drives me crazy. Sucks. |
| 15:14:49 | noda | hates loves. |
| 15:14:52 | ljp_work | they did the mambo all night |
| 15:14:57 | noda | er, s/loves/love/ |
| 15:15:17 | kergoth | is still in love with his ex. mutters. |
| 15:15:28 | numatrix | kergoth: Ex-girlfriend or Ex-wife? |
| 15:15:43 | kergoth | numatrix: gf, thankfully. 3 years |
| 15:15:48 | chouimat | has 2100000CC of cat |
| 15:17:06 | tux_mike | i wonder if my SMS works internationally |
| 15:17:31 | chouimat | I think i will go buy a second cat becasue the first one his always on me |
| 15:18:16 | ciaolinux | chouimat: isn't it better to have a second Z? |
| 15:18:34 | kergoth | true that, you dont have to clean a Z's litterbox |
| 15:18:45 | chouimat | kergoth: :P |
| 15:20:37 | numatrix | anybody had trouble building qt recently? |
| 15:21:10 | kergoth | beta2? no, i havent had any problems tehree |
| 15:21:52 | numatrix | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 15:21:52 | numatrix | make[2]: *** [moc] Error 1 |
| 15:21:52 | numatrix | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/jwiens/oz/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-beta2/src/moc' |
| 15:22:00 | kergoth | that doesnt tell us anything |
| 15:22:04 | kergoth | any errors above that? |
| 15:22:13 | kergoth | if moc failed, its something about your desktop's x86 build environment |
| 15:22:14 | Twiun | Hi guys ;-) |
| 15:22:20 | DaJoker | heya Twiun |
| 15:22:26 | kergoth | you building moc with gcc 3.2? on the desktop? (aka is 'gcc' 3.2?) |
| 15:22:28 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 15:22:45 | numatrix | kergoth: It's a stock RH8.0 box. Yeah, running 3.2 |
| 15:23:03 | kergoth | numatrix: thats probably the source of the problem. you've built qt/e 2.3.4 on this box before? |
| 15:23:09 | Twiun | I think I'm gonna make a chroot dir for arm compilations... by box's build stuff is foobar'd |
| 15:23:29 | kergoth | well, some crosscompilation needs the x86 build stufff |
| 15:23:36 | numatrix | kergoth: I thought so; this is my backup-buildroot. I haven't messed with it in a week or so, so maybe I've never gotten it built but never realized it. |
| 15:23:36 | kergoth | so you'd have to put x86 compilation stuff in there too |
| 15:23:40 | kergoth | glibc, its headers, etc |
| 15:23:43 | Twiun | urgh |
| 15:24:20 | kergoth | Twiun: example, ncurses compile builds a x86 'tic' binary to compile the terminfo entries. qt/e 2.3.x builds a x86 moc to use to compile the rest of qt/e |
| 15:25:00 | Twiun | kergoth: yeah and kaffe uses an existing kaffe to build its own jni stuff... |
| 15:25:03 | Twiun | nightmare |
| 15:25:17 | Twiun | why can't all this stuff be self-hosted |
| 15:25:25 | kergoth | self-hosted? |
| 15:25:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:25:33 | chouimat | Twiun: who said that should be easy |
| 15:25:48 | Twiun | chouimat: I've been too coddled by the java world ;-) |
| 15:25:55 | kergoth | hey we culd make the buildroot obtain a x86 build environment too, and include a basic cc in the buildroot to use to compile gcc.. |
| 15:25:59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:26:00 | kergoth | evil |
| 15:26:19 | chouimat | Twiun: the java world how can we be real programmer with that :) |
| 15:26:35 | Twiun | chouimat: because we'd be concentrating on coding and not the £$%(*£&% build system? |
| 15:26:40 | Twiun | laughs |
| 15:27:23 | kergoth | Onyx4: ping |
| 15:27:51 | scanline | kergoth: just merge buildroot and gentoo :) |
| 15:28:19 | kergoth | does portage know how to crosscompile? :0 |
| 15:28:24 | chouimat | scanline: my dream |
| 15:28:32 | scanline | hmm.. I dunno |
| 15:28:45 | chouimat | kergoth: propably |
| 15:29:09 | kergoth | I think I'll just wait and work on the build system tim riker and i and others have been discussing for months |
| 15:29:12 | kergoth | and ben meeyr |
| 15:29:28 | ljp_work | you can set up portage make variables |
| 15:29:32 | chouimat | kergoth: what? embdebian? |
| 15:29:39 | kergoth | chouimat: no |
| 15:30:27 | kergoth | chouimat: debian source package feed using a better autobuilder than buildd and wanna-build, and supporting crosscompilation, patches on places other than the machine on which the source feed resides, etc |
| 15:31:32 | chouimat | kergoth: ok. I'm currently doing a build system for an embedded BSD in python ... |
| 15:33:06 | chouimat | kergoth: need to refresh my pants by putting them in the dryer. and the get followed in there |
| 15:34:35 | kergoth | who in here has a large capacity cf card that they used to see the OZ ide suspend/resume issues with? |
| 15:34:35 | kergoth | anyone? |
| 15:34:35 | kergoth | i know verxion did, but beyond that i dunno |
| 15:35:17 | chouimat | kergoth: only have a 64mb |
| 15:36:44 | kergoth | I need someone who used to run into the ide suspend/resume issue to test a possible fix sandman put in libopie. need to test without our current workaround patch to see if it worked |
| 15:42:44 | noda | Whee! Category/FAQ/Admin deletion is done! :) |
| 15:42:54 | noda | Now to brush up the style and then I'm gonna make it a repository :) |
| 15:43:31 | noda | Oh, no, first I need a "submission" page :) |
| 15:45:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:48:33 | noda | Whee, done. Need a link... :) |
| 15:48:42 | noda | gets lazy and puts it in the footer. |
| 15:50:32 | noda | Oh, last thing: Need a link to the main page. Sheesh, need a navigation system :( |
| 15:52:27 | noda | kergoth: Okay, I think this handles all the basic functions now. What do you think? http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/oz/ |
| 15:52:35 | chouimat | whips himself back too work |
| 15:52:38 | noda | Please give recommendations now, while I'm changing styles, before I make anything worse :) |
| 15:52:47 | noda | Navigation system is on my TODO :) |
| 15:52:55 | noda | Search isn't done either :) |
| 15:53:35 | kergoth | those are fairly easy though |
| 15:53:42 | noda | Yep. |
| 15:53:50 | noda | There's nothing challenging about this site, just takes time :) |
| 15:54:17 | kergoth | indeed. |
| 15:54:43 | noda | Ack, I've screwed up the first page somehow :) |
| 15:57:50 | noda | kergoth: Wanna try adding a faq? :) |
| 15:58:02 | noda | ponders what's frequently asked. |
| 15:58:51 | noda | kergoth: Ooh, hey, is there any way that this site could 'talk' with ibot? i.e., you could type "oz prerelease" in a certain text box and it'd give what I get when I type "ibot oz prerelease" here? |
| 15:59:15 | victorvdl | notes that you might want to tell them where you guys hide your unstable stuff. ;-) |
| 15:59:19 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:59:28 | kergoth | noda: talk to tim riker (bzflag) |
| 15:59:46 | noda | kergoth: What channel would I find him in? :) |
| 16:00:01 | kergoth | noda: #zaurus, #tuxscreen for example |
| 16:00:11 | kergoth | noda: hes around in the embedded channels. he is cto of lineo after all |
| 16:00:15 | hardwire | augh |
| 16:00:20 | noda | kergoth: Okay, will talk with him when I see him :) |
| 16:00:27 | kergoth | hardwire: morning. heh. |
| 16:00:27 | hardwire | the tendons in both of my wrists are freaking tight |
| 16:00:36 | kergoth | hardwire: i dont wanna know |
| 16:00:39 | hardwire | like massive amounts of constant pain |
| 16:00:58 | hardwire | whats a good effective muscle relaxer? |
| 16:01:20 | kergoth | noda: just added a category, added an faq in that category, and approved it |
| 16:01:24 | kergoth | noda: working fine |
| 16:01:28 | noda | kergoth: Woo! :) |
| 16:01:30 | kergoth | hardwire: mental techniques |
| 16:01:34 | ljp_work | rum |
| 16:01:40 | kergoth | haha, that too |
| 16:01:58 | hardwire | kergoth: I must be mentally challanged ATM |
| 16:02:01 | noda | kergoth: Would it be rude to transfer stuff from the Zaurus FAQ over to this? Most of those FAQs apply, after all. |
| 16:02:15 | hardwire | spreads some rum over his forearms |
| 16:02:19 | kergoth | noda: hmmm not sure. maybe we should just link to it. hmm. |
| 16:02:20 | kergoth | hardwire: hah |
| 16:02:26 | noda | kergoth: I'll send 'em an email :) |
| 16:02:38 | kergoth | noda: or pester bill next time he drops by #zaurus |
| 16:02:46 | noda | kergoth: I'll email him :) |
| 16:03:00 | kergoth | hardwire: seriously, mental imagery works for that shit. I use it to get rid of headaches and other such things |
| 16:03:54 | hardwire | does it work if you also haev a hangover? |
| 16:04:00 | hardwire | :) |
| 16:04:08 | kergoth | noda: are you filtering html out of the faq text? |
| 16:04:13 | noda | kergoth: No. |
| 16:04:15 | hardwire | naw I gotcha kergoth.. I am just being whiney |
| 16:04:18 | kergoth | hardwire: I dont get hangovers. I wouldnt know. |
| 16:04:20 | kergoth | hardwire: :) |
| 16:04:24 | numatrix | noda: I would just link to them. |
| 16:04:24 | noda | kergoth: You can put HTML in category names, category descriptions, FAQ questions and answers. |
| 16:04:31 | prpplague | hardwire: does it work for getting rid of a bitch wife? |
| 16:04:36 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:04:46 | noda | numatrix: Linking is fine, but then we get either a) duplicates of FAQs, or b) people have to browse to two different sites to find answers. |
| 16:05:06 | Twiun | noda: can I stick IFRAMEs in there too? |
| 16:05:09 | numatrix | noda: But you don't want to have to update your faq every time the other faq has a question changed; makes more sense to link to m.e |
| 16:05:12 | kergoth | noda: i got it, sell bill on using your faq system for his site, then we just sync our content |
| 16:05:15 | kergoth | noda: :) |
| 16:05:18 | noda | Twiun: You can do whatever you want. |
| 16:05:23 | noda | kergoth: That's what I was thinking. |
| 16:05:42 | noda | numatrix: He's got a DB. We've got a DB. There must be a way to trade data. |
| 16:05:48 | Twiun | noda: seriously... though you may want to be selective... IFRAMEs could make your site open to all kinds of abuse |
| 16:05:52 | numatrix | noda: There is that... |
| 16:05:55 | victorvdl | kergoth: yea, but then he couldn't IPKG it for the zaurus. |
| 16:05:59 | kergoth | Twiun: thats what i was thinking about as well |
| 16:06:00 | noda | brb phone |
| 16:06:01 | kergoth | victorvdl: why not? |
| 16:06:27 | victorvdl | kergoth: most people don't have PHP on their Zs. |
| 16:07:04 | kergoth | victorvdl: its content in a db. he's creating html from php anyway. just dump out html files |
| 16:07:11 | kergoth | victorvdl: tis not a problem, trust me |
| 16:07:32 | kergoth | victorvdl: though, fyi, we have nanoweb + php if you do want php on your Z |
| 16:07:34 | kergoth | ;) |
| 16:07:49 | hardwire | prpplague: are you unhappy? |
| 16:07:54 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:07:58 | victorvdl | kergoth: I know, I tried it with 2.9.5.5. Where do I get libpam.so? |
| 16:07:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:08:05 | kergoth | victorvdl: what do you need it for? |
| 16:08:17 | kergoth | victorvdl: we dont have PAM packages for OZ yet |
| 16:08:18 | victorvdl | kergoth: to run php. |
| 16:08:23 | noda | Twiun,kergoth: There is no problem. This is what the verification process is for. When you submit an FAQ, it will ONLY be visible in a <textarea>. So the admin edits/deletes the FAQ and all is well. |
| 16:08:26 | kergoth | you dont need pam to use php. |
| 16:08:44 | victorvdl | kergoth: PHP thinks so. ;-D |
| 16:08:49 | kergoth | victorvdl: what php package? |
| 16:08:54 | kergoth | victorvdl: try one built by the buildroot. works fine. |
| 16:09:05 | Twiun | noda: have you worked out how much administration this might mean? |
| 16:09:11 | victorvdl | kergoth: where? |
| 16:09:26 | prpplague | hardwire: ohh ya, i'd divorce the ho if i didn't have my son |
| 16:09:28 | Twiun | noda: that's why I shelved this type of submission on my faq site |
| 16:09:37 | kergoth | victorvdl: onyx4 and themastermind1 have it in their feeds. i will be updating the unstable upstream feed when i release 2.9.7 |
| 16:09:37 | noda | Twiun: Directly proportional to how many submissions there are. |
| 16:09:40 | Twiun | noda: I now only react to email submissions ;-) |
| 16:10:03 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:10:29 | noda | Twiun: There'll be at least a half-dozen admins who'll be able to handle this stuff very easily... |
| 16:10:35 | hardwire | prpplague: oh yeah? well. I have an extra room here :) you can sleep with my kitties |
| 16:10:45 | hardwire | then I can pick on you |
| 16:10:47 | noda | Twiun: I dunno, maybe we should just see how it goes and do some automated rejections in the future if need be? |
| 16:11:01 | victorvdl | Onyx4: where is your feed at? |
| 16:11:25 | kergoth | noda: or let users register accounts without any administrative access, and require that they have an account to submit, and then limit to one submission at a time |
| 16:11:28 | kergoth | noda: (per account) |
| 16:11:51 | Twiun | kergoth: sounds good - and then maybe a submission queue of some kind? |
| 16:12:11 | kergoth | yep. thats the only real solution I can see atm. |
| 16:12:15 | noda | Hrm... that limits the amount they can submit though. |
| 16:12:31 | hardwire | ok.. this Watchguard Soho firewall box thinger.. is running linux.. its got a toshiba mips processor |
| 16:12:38 | hardwire | all I need is a way to flash somehow |
| 16:12:40 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:12:44 | noda | When I browse an FAQ site and I see some questions missing, I'd submit three or four easily all in one sitting. It's not appealing to wait for the whole process. |
| 16:12:45 | hardwire | then I can slap vtun on there |
| 16:12:55 | hardwire | instead of using wonky ipsec |
| 16:12:57 | prpplague | kergoth: naw, i'll get a shed and live in the woods. only hunting shack around with a dsl modem |
| 16:13:07 | kergoth | noda: true. but we do need a way to prevent or limit abuse.. hm |
| 16:13:09 | noda | Plus, does that really solve anything? I mean, people could just make infinite accounts. |
| 16:13:20 | Twiun | noda: true enough |
| 16:13:23 | kergoth | prpplague: hah, dont forget one hell of a fridge for all the beer |
| 16:13:24 | ljp_work | hardwire: do you have vtun on your z? |
| 16:13:33 | noda | kergoth: Maybe we'd have to do *something*... per IP perhaps? |
| 16:13:44 | hardwire | ljp_work yeah |
| 16:13:48 | hardwire | its uh.. in the feeds |
| 16:13:51 | kergoth | noda: you'd likely need manual account approval, which is the same issue as with manual faq approval, except it puts the abuser though more headaches |
| 16:13:53 | noda | Limit queue to 5 per IP. Then have banned IPs. (just throwing ideas around here) |
| 16:13:57 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:13:59 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:14:12 | noda | kergoth: It puts the ADMIN through more headaches too. Much easier to spot an invalid FAQ than an invalid account. |
| 16:14:14 | hardwire | this linux based firewall only forwards the top 10 ip's in arp |
| 16:14:22 | hardwire | unless you have 387 dollars |
| 16:14:23 | kergoth | noda: quite true. |
| 16:14:28 | hardwire | then it can do the top 50 |
| 16:14:44 | hardwire | these things are ripoffs from hell :) |
| 16:14:56 | victorvdl | noda: How about making it so the admin has to approve something someone else sumbits? |
| 16:15:12 | noda | victorvdl: He does. That's what we're talking about :) |
| 16:15:17 | kergoth | victorvdl: there's already a faq approval process |
| 16:15:19 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:15:22 | kergoth | hardwire: ack |
| 16:15:35 | victorvdl | Oh. sorry. |
| 16:15:59 | hardwire | this is incentive to get vtun working on win32 |
| 16:16:44 | kergoth | vtun on win32? |
| 16:16:49 | kergoth | that would be spiffy |
| 16:16:49 | hardwire | yeah |
| 16:16:53 | hardwire | mucho spiffay |
| 16:16:59 | hardwire | anybody here ever fingered out cipe? |
| 16:17:08 | hardwire | I might need a lesson in that if somebody has some time |
| 16:17:09 | kergoth | nah never touched cipe myself |
| 16:17:14 | kergoth | read about it a bit, thats it |
| 16:17:21 | kergoth | fuck |
| 16:17:24 | kergoth | my fucking stylus broke |
| 16:17:27 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:17:31 | hardwire | get a n00d one |
| 16:17:43 | noda | What the heck... how did it break? |
| 16:17:58 | hardwire | feels the urge to up and leave today.. just get in his borrowed truck and take off toward the hillz |
| 16:18:57 | victorvdl | hardwire: you have satelite internet on the truck? |
| 16:19:10 | chouimat | goes make some fresh coffee |
| 16:19:27 | noidd | i've been loooking for a new stylus forever |
| 16:19:31 | hardwire | victorvdl: no.. I am a special breed.. I can survive w/o internet for a few hours at a time |
| 16:19:47 | noidd | mind you, i'm still waiting for my Zaurus accessory pack that I was promised at linux expo :-) |
| 16:19:50 | kergoth | noda: hrm. your who/what is tkc faq isnt shown under installation, whats up? |
| 16:20:02 | victorvdl | hardwire: Unbeliavable. But what happens if you don't get back to a comp in time? |
| 16:20:09 | kergoth | noidd: i had a nice cross combination pen/stylus, but lost it |
| 16:20:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:20:11 | hardwire | victorvdl: I wifi for help |
| 16:20:17 | noidd | ooh, nice |
| 16:20:21 | noda | kergoth: It's not part of the installation category :) |
| 16:20:25 | noidd | whered you get that from? |
| 16:20:39 | noda | kergoth: It's part of no category. I've got to make a table in admin/faq.php for "category-less FAQ's". |
| 16:20:45 | hardwire | is going to make a total pda suite in php-gtk |
| 16:20:46 | kergoth | noda: oh yeah, it doesnt have a category, gotcha |
| 16:20:46 | victorvdl | hardwire: :-D wifi is close enough to the internet. |
| 16:20:46 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:20:47 | noda | writes it in his TODO |
| 16:20:49 | kergoth | noda: didnt notice |
| 16:21:06 | noda | kergoth: I deleted all the test stuff :) |
| 16:21:12 | noda | kergoth: Btw, can you change your email/name/etc? :) |
| 16:21:17 | kergoth | noda: i noticed |
| 16:21:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:21:28 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:21:38 | hardwire | hey guys.. I highly suggest next time you get a key duped.. to get those "fun"k"eys" |
| 16:21:50 | hardwire | likes his leopard print house key |
| 16:21:59 | noda | lol |
| 16:22:00 | kergoth | noda: idea, when the submitter is a logged in user, pre-fill in the Submitter box with name/email |
| 16:22:05 | kergoth | eh? |
| 16:22:15 | noda | kergoth: Sounds awesome, will do. |
| 16:22:29 | kergoth | should save those who have accounts from wasted typingj |
| 16:22:32 | kergoth | is a slacker at heart |
| 16:22:34 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:22:44 | hardwire | is a fucker at heart |
| 16:22:49 | noda | Definitely. It's on the TODO (http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/oz/TODO) |
| 16:23:37 | noidd | all good hackers are slackers |
| 16:25:16 | hardwire | is a slap happy hacker |
| 16:25:39 | noidd | I wish the person who ported perl to the Z was on irc |
| 16:25:43 | noidd | got lots of questions :-) |
| 16:25:48 | hardwire | takes off |
| 16:25:50 | hardwire | runs off |
| 16:25:52 | hardwire | fucks off |
| 16:25:53 | hardwire | bbl |
| 16:25:56 | noidd | later |
| 16:26:00 | kergoth | noidd: theres no way he crosscompiled it, unfortunately |
| 16:26:02 | kergoth | later hardwire |
| 16:26:17 | noidd | did he compile it nativly? |
| 16:26:20 | kergoth | would have to |
| 16:26:24 | noidd | cos that was the approach I had to take |
| 16:26:28 | kergoth | the perl buildsystem is one of the worst i have ever seen |
| 16:26:29 | kergoth | by far |
| 16:26:32 | kergoth | horrible |
| 16:26:39 | kergoth | i want to throw it out the fucking window and write a new one for it |
| 16:26:41 | noda | Oh, c'mon, it asks you all those brilliant questions... :) |
| 16:26:56 | noidd | kergoth: give the parrot people a slap :-) |
| 16:26:56 | kergoth | ugh |
| 16:27:03 | noidd | make sure perl 6 works right |
| 16:27:11 | noda | (That make you wonder how an explanation with so many words can be so cryptic) |
| 16:27:30 | noda | I *still* don't know what to answer to those SUID questions :) |
| 16:27:33 | noidd | I have an op code in the Parrot VM to write |
| 16:27:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:27:45 | noidd | but I still dont know what to do with it |
| 16:28:00 | noidd | can you think of anything practical for it? |
| 16:29:27 | noda | kergoth: Mail sent to bill :) |
| 16:29:43 | kergoth | noda: great |
| 16:30:38 | kergoth | hrm |
| 16:30:44 | kergoth | "Do SD cards work with openzaurus?" |
| 16:30:46 | kergoth | what category? |
| 16:30:56 | noda | "Expansion Slots and Cards"? |
| 16:31:09 | noda | That's what the Z faq has, I've always found it easy to navigate :) |
| 16:31:32 | kergoth | hm, should we seperate issues that are specific to openzuarus from those that arent? |
| 16:31:36 | kergoth | ponders |
| 16:32:16 | noda | I dunno. I think it depends on what Bill says about our linking with the Z FAQ - if he accepts, we won't need to worry about non-specific ones :) |
| 16:32:50 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:33:13 | kergoth | even so |
| 16:33:23 | kergoth | if we link with him, we'll want to name the OZ specific categories as such |
| 16:33:29 | kergoth | OpenZaurus installation issues |
| 16:33:32 | kergoth | as opposed to installation |
| 16:33:33 | kergoth | for example |
| 16:33:36 | noda | kergoth: Yes, you're right. |
| 16:34:50 | noda | Hrm. On the other hand, if we name every category "OpenZaurus-specific <blah>", there's not much point, eh? I mean, why not just give a link to his site in that case. |
| 16:35:39 | kergoth | true |
| 16:35:41 | kergoth | well thats why i asked |
| 16:35:50 | kergoth | do we want to seperate openzaurus specific issues from those that are not |
| 16:35:59 | noda | Hrm... |
| 16:36:01 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 16:36:02 | kergoth | btw |
| 16:36:05 | kergoth | dont put html in Submitter |
| 16:36:12 | kergoth | its rather amusing |
| 16:36:25 | noda | kergoth: There's no HTML in the "Submitter" field, btw. There will be email recognition though. |
| 16:36:25 | kergoth | go on the faqs |
| 16:36:34 | kergoth | try to edit/approve the faq i just added |
| 16:36:36 | kergoth | its funny |
| 16:36:45 | noda | ACK! |
| 16:36:47 | kergoth | lmao |
| 16:36:50 | noda | Whoops, missed out on an htmlentities() :) |
| 16:36:54 | kergoth | figured |
| 16:36:55 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:36:56 | noda | Dammit, I always pride myself on getting those perfect :) |
| 16:37:01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:37:25 | noda | Fixed |
| 16:37:26 | kergoth | ah the quotes threw it off |
| 16:37:28 | kergoth | cool |
| 16:37:34 | kergoth | great |
| 16:37:35 | kergoth | thanks |
| 16:37:35 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:38:18 | noda | decides he has to put together a birthday list. |
| 16:38:25 | noda | tries to think of movies he wants. |
| 16:38:27 | scanline | is away: Dave... my mind is going... |
| 16:38:47 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 16:38:55 | kergoth | i can never think of anything i want for a bday or xmas |
| 16:39:00 | noda | Ditto :) |
| 16:39:10 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 16:39:10 | AndyQ | ibot oz prerelease |
| 16:39:11 | scanline | kergoth: a non-tech-support job? |
| 16:39:17 | kergoth | i fall back to 1) cash/gift certs, 2) cds, 3) movies |
| 16:39:20 | kergoth | scanline: hah, i wish |
| 16:39:22 | noda | This Zaurus is helping me a bit though - as soon as I think of something I can write it somewhere so I won't forget it :) |
| 16:39:38 | kergoth | noda: i would be able to do that if i could stop flashing it for a more than a day |
| 16:39:42 | kergoth | noda: :) |
| 16:39:50 | noda | lol |
| 16:39:59 | chouimat | kergoth: a girlfriend? |
| 16:40:08 | kergoth | eek, something very weird is going on with our spawning of opie/opie-login |
| 16:40:17 | kergoth | hunger's bug report is valid 100% |
| 16:40:25 | kergoth | keyboard input is going to somewhere other than opie |
| 16:40:26 | kergoth | weird |
| 16:40:36 | chouimat | kergoth: the 5sec black screen? |
| 16:40:54 | kergoth | chouimat: no, when i type nothing goes to opie. i dunno where its going. and i see opie messages overwriting the top of opie itself |
| 16:41:00 | noda | kergoth: About naming stuff openzaurus-specific... I don't think it'll be necessary once the 'search' feature is implemented. |
| 16:41:17 | ljp_work | couldnt be any change smade to kernel keyboard handling? |
| 16:41:23 | kergoth | oh weird. |
| 16:41:28 | kergoth | i know what it is, but its strange |
| 16:41:31 | kergoth | hrm |
| 16:41:55 | kergoth | noda: well since we can flag items in multiple categories, its no problem |
| 16:42:05 | kergoth | noda: we can flag it under both installation and openzaurus specific installation, for example |
| 16:42:11 | noda | kergoth: Yeah, that's true :) |
| 16:42:49 | noda | curses all these awesome DVD's for coming out on Nov 12th, a week after his birthday :P |
| 16:43:33 | Twiun | lol... this xcompiling just isn't going well... |
| 16:43:35 | Twiun | machine.c: In function `translate': |
| 16:43:35 | Twiun | machine.c:195: inconsistent operand constraints in an `asm' |
| 16:44:26 | Twiun | any suggestions? |
| 16:46:30 | noidd | ok kergoth - i'm going to throw a mail at parrot people |
| 16:46:43 | noidd | seems perl6 uses a similer system to perl5 to build :-/ |
| 16:47:04 | chouimat | arrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhh |
| 16:47:06 | kergoth | ugh |
| 16:48:07 | noidd | I said similer, not the same |
| 16:48:13 | kergoth | noidd: why cant they just use auto* like the rest of the world? |
| 16:48:14 | noidd | its written in perl5 which is kinda funny |
| 16:48:20 | kergoth | never thought hed say that |
| 16:48:23 | noidd | I dont know - but I know who to ask :-) |
| 16:48:24 | kergoth | s/hed/he'd/ |
| 16:49:09 | noidd | maybe my opcode should print "Please give me a normal build process" |
| 16:49:36 | noidd | kergoth: in case you're wondering what i'm wittering on about, I won an "opcode" in perl6 |
| 16:49:44 | noidd | so I need some constructive ideas |
| 16:49:45 | kergoth | noidd: ahh |
| 16:49:47 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:49:50 | kergoth | 'opcode'? |
| 16:49:53 | noidd | yeah |
| 16:49:54 | kergoth | hasnt read the info on perl6 yet |
| 16:50:01 | noidd | parrot is a software VM |
| 16:50:20 | noidd | its a run-time engine which perl6 and a couple of othe languages will run on |
| 16:50:23 | noidd | including python |
| 16:50:29 | kergoth | thats pretty nifty. |
| 16:50:33 | kergoth | i should read up |
| 16:50:34 | noidd | yes it is |
| 16:50:41 | noda | Whoa... haven't browsed Amazon.com in a while, but this is cool: "Customers who bought items in your Recent History also bought: The Lord of the Rings..." |
| 16:50:50 | kergoth | eeek |
| 16:50:53 | kergoth | um |
| 16:51:00 | chouimat | arrgh! perl sucks! |
| 16:51:07 | kergoth | if i spawn opie-login with openvt, and then use chvt to switch us to vt2 at the end of the startup script |
| 16:51:10 | kergoth | Bad Things happen |
| 16:51:12 | noidd | kergoth: even more nifty is the cute backend they've got - where it can compile parrit code down to java bytecode |
| 16:51:26 | noidd | chvt! |
| 16:51:37 | noidd | i've been looking for that :-) |
| 16:51:53 | kergoth | ooo |
| 16:52:15 | | I just forgot my whole philosophy of life!!! |
| 16:52:15 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 16:52:19 | noidd | yeah - so perl, python etc... in a protected browser |
| 16:52:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:52:41 | noidd | now, if I were chvt, where would I be ? :-) |
| 16:52:54 | kergoth | in console-tools or busybox |
| 16:52:55 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:53:00 | noidd | I fully understand that I will be hard-resetting constantly |
| 16:53:05 | noidd | bah, I had it the whole time! |
| 16:53:06 | chouimat | just found out that he doesn't have a philosophy of life |
| 16:53:06 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:53:11 | kergoth | hard resetting? for what? |
| 16:53:17 | kergoth | chouimat: i have that problem |
| 16:53:34 | chouimat | kergoth: what? life? or perl sucks? |
| 16:53:51 | kergoth | chouimat: both |
| 16:54:15 | NetNut404_work | so |
| 16:54:34 | chouimat | kergoth: If I can put my hand on the ass holes that wrote that system script in perl,tcl/tk,awk and csh. I kill him |
| 16:54:35 | noidd | kergoth: i'm going to ask the parrot people why not auto* |
| 16:54:47 | noidd | before I do that - can you remind me of the cross-compiler flags |
| 16:54:52 | noidd | ie, ./configure --build etc |
| 16:55:00 | chouimat | noidd: because they don't like it |
| 16:55:09 | noidd | chouimat: probably |
| 16:55:38 | noidd | chouimat: I'm going to show them how I cross-compile using configure... then ask how to do it with parrot |
| 16:55:49 | noidd | and hopefully that will ask the question |
| 16:55:55 | chouimat | noidd: hehe |
| 16:58:24 | noda | browses Amazon some more... |
| 16:59:00 | noda | I'll bet whoever coded this just made "Customers who bought items in your Recent History also bought: The Lord of the Rings" static content :P |
| 16:59:18 | noda | After all, who hasn't bought it. |
| 16:59:26 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:59:36 | | xcompile is probably just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) or ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-3.2.tar.bz2 |
| 16:59:36 | noidd | ibot, xcompile? |
| 16:59:42 | chouimat | noda: lord of rings... that boring novel? |
| 16:59:48 | noda | chouimat: The dvd :P |
| 17:00:00 | noda | My most recently viewed category is "toys". |
| 17:00:06 | chouimat | noda: I didn't see it. |
| 17:00:40 | noda | chouimat: It's great :). |
| 17:00:50 | chouimat | noda: I fall asleep on the novel (in part 1, 2 and 3) so ... |
| 17:01:30 | chouimat | noda: try Elric saga and the other from Moorcock |
| 17:01:31 | noda | What the fuck... just out of curiosity I go and look at an electric toothbrush. Now my recommended things are 1) Lord of the Rings and 2) Monsters, Inc. |
| 17:02:01 | noda | Oh, it's a different Lord of the Rings DVD - the one that's not even out yet. |
| 17:02:01 | kergoth | lol |
| 17:02:14 | noda | ROFL!!!! |
| 17:02:32 | noda | So I click on the DVD... guess what's in my "Customers who bought items in your recent history also bought" has :) |
| 17:02:45 | noda | "Sonicare PS-1 Sonic Toothbrush" |
| 17:03:11 | noda | This is awesome :) |
| 17:03:32 | chouimat | noda: can you check if they have Moorcock's The Tales of the eternal champions omnibus edition? |
| 17:03:53 | noda | chouimat: book? movie? |
| 17:03:58 | chouimat | book |
| 17:04:28 | noda | Hrm, doesn't look like it. |
| 17:04:28 | chouimat | have difficulties to get them here |
| 17:04:42 | chouimat | noda amazon.ca or .com? |
| 17:04:49 | noda | The only thing that matches "Eternal Champions" is a Sega Genesis guide :) |
| 17:04:52 | noda | chouimat: .com |
| 17:05:44 | noda | Oh, wait... here's something in a sidebar... |
| 17:06:47 | chouimat | noda: I get it 22 books |
| 17:07:09 | chouimat | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse/-/1FVXIG8SO6V0N/qid=1034960764/sr=5-1/ref=sr_5_1/102-3165346-8078510 |
| 17:07:38 | noda | That's a lot of books :) |
| 17:08:33 | chouimat | noda: yup but they're very good |
| 17:08:46 | noda | questions himself.... "If I were to have Black Hawk Down, would I watch it over and over again?" |
| 17:09:24 | noda | Ooh ooh ooh! Ocean's Eleven! |
| 17:09:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:09:48 | kergoth | why look, its another me |
| 17:09:55 | noda | Whee :) |
| 17:10:01 | kergoth | must've accidentally left that client running |
| 17:10:02 | kergoth | oops |
| 17:10:27 | chouimat | noda: got 20 book from Moorcock. and they his 22 in the omnibus editions (20 $CDN each). so the eternal champions is about 80 novel |
| 17:10:30 | noda | Anyone here see Spy Game? |
| 17:11:01 | DaJoker | noda: yep.. its ok.. |
| 17:11:08 | noda | Not great? Okay, won't ask for it then. |
| 17:11:16 | noda | never likes asking for stuff he hasn't seen unless he's sure it'll be amazing. |
| 17:11:27 | chouimat | anyone here use gift? |
| 17:11:27 | kergoth | i usually just buy the damn thing |
| 17:11:29 | noda | chouimat: That's a lot of books ;) |
| 17:11:31 | kergoth | instead of renting |
| 17:11:32 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah |
| 17:11:43 | chouimat | kergoth: work well? |
| 17:11:51 | kergoth | yes |
| 17:11:52 | noda | kergoth: I usually watch movies in the theatre first so I know if I want them or not. |
| 17:11:55 | chouimat | noda: I like to read |
| 17:11:57 | kergoth | giFTcurs is the best client for it |
| 17:12:00 | kergoth | noda: yeah, me too |
| 17:12:07 | kergoth | i like to read as well |
| 17:12:09 | chouimat | kergoth: kgift don't work? |
| 17:12:17 | noda | kergoth: Ah, but do you get free movie tickets to just about any movie? :P |
| 17:12:21 | kergoth | kgift? or kift? i havent heard of kgift |
| 17:12:22 | noda | chouimat: I love reading :) |
| 17:12:24 | kergoth | noda: bastard |
| 17:12:27 | noda | Always at least 20 minutes a night :) |
| 17:12:39 | kergoth | geh i cant afford new books |
| 17:12:41 | kergoth | im broke |
| 17:12:45 | kergoth | so i keep rereading series over and over |
| 17:12:57 | noda | kergoth: Use Project Gettysberg (sp) |
| 17:12:59 | chouimat | noda: have you read the Redemption of Althalus? |
| 17:13:03 | noda | chouimat: Nope |
| 17:13:06 | kergoth | i think i've read all 8 of jordan's wheel of time at least 5 times |
| 17:13:13 | kergoth | same with l.e. modesset |
| 17:13:13 | DaJoker | if anyone is looking for a recommendation, the Men at War series by W.E.B Griffin is excellent |
| 17:13:16 | chouimat | noda: get your hands on it |
| 17:13:19 | noda | kergoth: rofl, there are 9 now. *has read it 3 times* |
| 17:13:32 | kergoth | is it 9? |
| 17:13:34 | noda | kergoth: The 9th is on paperback now, and there's a HUGE thing that happens in the plot at the end - ENORMOUS... |
| 17:13:35 | kergoth | loses track |
| 17:13:37 | kergoth | you know |
| 17:13:41 | kergoth | er |
| 17:13:43 | kergoth | winter's heart? |
| 17:13:45 | noda | If you haven't read it, you must. |
| 17:13:46 | noda | Yep |
| 17:13:46 | kergoth | or is there a new one after that? |
| 17:13:48 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:13:49 | kergoth | i've got it |
| 17:13:51 | noda | No, Winter's hEart. |
| 17:13:51 | kergoth | tis good |
| 17:13:52 | chouimat | kergoth: I got 1400 fantsay book in electronic format here |
| 17:13:53 | noda | oh, okay :) |
| 17:13:56 | kergoth | its definately huge. |
| 17:14:01 | kergoth | the thing at the end i mean |
| 17:14:01 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:14:05 | kergoth | chouimat: damn |
| 17:14:14 | noda | wants book 10 (too bad it doesn't exist...) |
| 17:14:18 | kergoth | noda: i absolutely love jordan's characters |
| 17:14:23 | chouimat | kergoth: search gnutella and giFT for books :) |
| 17:14:26 | noda | kergoth: They're absolutely incredible. |
| 17:14:31 | kergoth | noda: but i wish he'd stop taking 1200 pages to make hardly anything happen |
| 17:14:36 | kergoth | noda: he's one wordy motherfucker |
| 17:14:38 | noda | Heh, I like it like that - lasts longer. |
| 17:14:43 | kergoth | still |
| 17:14:53 | kergoth | compare eye of the world to some of the recent one |
| 17:14:54 | kergoth | s |
| 17:15:01 | kergoth | its like he's dragging it out |
| 17:15:01 | noda | kergoth: Anyway, if you can't afford books, get free stuff from the 'net. I've been reading David Copperfield - amazing book. |
| 17:15:09 | noda | kergoth: True. |
| 17:15:09 | kergoth | tis a good idea |
| 17:15:12 | chouimat | has the complete Lovecratf collection |
| 17:15:18 | kergoth | hasnt read any lovecraft yet |
| 17:15:22 | noda | kergoth: I think Winter's Heart sped up a little, compared to what happened in 6, 7, 8... |
| 17:15:26 | kergoth | noda: oh definately |
| 17:15:28 | kergoth | noda: finally |
| 17:15:32 | noda | Yep :) |
| 17:15:55 | chouimat | noda: I just read Casanova My live in 30 volume |
| 17:16:02 | kergoth | i hate cadsuane, that old aes sedai bitch that keeps pissing off rand |
| 17:16:04 | kergoth | muters |
| 17:16:08 | kergoth | mutters |
| 17:16:10 | kergoth | blah |
| 17:16:16 | noda | No way, she's awesome... I think she's one of the coolest characters :) |
| 17:16:18 | kergoth | I need to read more of the classics |
| 17:16:23 | noda | (since I don't know what's gonna happen next with her) |
| 17:16:31 | kergoth | noda: oh she's cool, but .. she pisses me off the same way she pisses rand off |
| 17:16:34 | kergoth | noda: :) |
| 17:16:44 | noda | lol, I love that. I love how he puts you in people's heads :) |
| 17:16:53 | kergoth | yeah, he's good at that |
| 17:16:56 | noda | also loves finding little hints about Moiraine. |
| 17:16:58 | kergoth | can identify with whomevver it is |
| 17:17:01 | kergoth | oh yeah |
| 17:17:09 | kergoth | I cant wait to see what happens with her |
| 17:17:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:17:23 | chouimat | kergoth: and Install opie reader :) |
| 17:17:25 | noda | She's definitely the coolest character :) |
| 17:17:28 | kergoth | there are some amazing scenes in that series |
| 17:17:32 | noda | LOVSE opie-reader. |
| 17:17:39 | kergoth | like when nynaeve finally breaks her block |
| 17:17:39 | noda | bah, s/LOVSE/LOVES |
| 17:17:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:17:44 | noda | :) |
| 17:17:51 | chouimat | noda: I have some counter-earth here |
| 17:18:10 | kergoth | I just reread Ender's Game |
| 17:18:20 | chouimat | kergoth: Eddings? |
| 17:18:30 | noda | I love that scene in the last book, where Rand is following one of those defecting bastards unarmed and simply kicks his ass no sweat :) |
| 17:18:38 | noda | Ooh, I haven't read that! Need that book :) |
| 17:18:40 | kergoth | noda: hehe |
| 17:18:46 | kergoth | chouimat: no, not eddings |
| 17:18:58 | kergoth | noda: i think sometimes rand doesnt take advantage of his full abilities |
| 17:19:05 | kergoth | noda: i mean, we know he has the ability to freeze people solid with the power |
| 17:19:11 | kergoth | noda: he only used that *once* |
| 17:19:27 | noda | kergoth: Heh, pretty friggin' easy to write plot holes when people can do absolutely anything :) |
| 17:19:28 | chouimat | kergoth: what is libdb in giFT? |
| 17:19:34 | kergoth | noda: true that. |
| 17:19:40 | kergoth | noda: but still. :) |
| 17:20:15 | noda | Ooh, ooh, ooh. The person I'll be watching the closest in Book X is certainly Mazrim Taim :) |
| 17:20:16 | chouimat | ls |
| 17:20:19 | kergoth | noda: i love it every time one of the current characters discovers something they didtn even know in the age of legends :) |
| 17:20:22 | kergoth | noda: oh yes |
| 17:20:25 | noda | nodnods |
| 17:21:10 | kergoth | oh dood |
| 17:21:11 | kergoth | it was great |
| 17:21:21 | kergoth | when mat abuses those sea folk chicks |
| 17:21:26 | noda | lol |
| 17:21:29 | kergoth | insulting them with shit he shoudlnt even know |
| 17:21:30 | noda | Mat's awesome :) |
| 17:21:33 | kergoth | that was beautiful |
| 17:21:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:21:45 | noda | He used to suck, now he rocks :) |
| 17:22:25 | kergoth | oh and when he whoop's galad and his brother |
| 17:22:27 | kergoth | that rocked. |
| 17:22:33 | noda | loved it |
| 17:23:01 | noda | Someone at the door...brb |
| 17:23:06 | kergoth | who was the greatest swordsman that ever lived? ... "jearom, gaidin!" .. "he was only ever defeated once. by a farmer with a quarterstaff. remember that." |
| 17:23:09 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:24:17 | noda | Later! :) |
| 17:24:36 | kergoth | chouimat: i'll have to check out moorcock's books |
| 17:25:43 | prpplague | moorcock's book's rock |
| 17:26:11 | prpplague | kergoth: they have a great oxymoron of good/evil |
| 17:26:15 | mark | gah. i need more ram :( |
| 17:26:17 | kergoth | fun |
| 17:26:24 | kergoth | needs a new series to read anyway |
| 17:27:03 | mark | is there any indication of what RAM the new Z will have? |
| 17:27:24 | prpplague | mark: rectangular black silicon |
| 17:27:27 | kergoth | mark: you dont want to know |
| 17:27:42 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm trying to find them on gnutella |
| 17:27:50 | mark | prpplague: hehe, you know what I meant :P |
| 17:27:54 | prpplague | chouimat: audio or text? |
| 17:28:03 | mark | s/what/how much |
| 17:28:05 | kergoth | mark: i hear 32mb. |
| 17:28:12 | kergoth | mark: but there'll be no need for a ramdisk. |
| 17:28:13 | chouimat | prpplague: text to read with opie-reader :) |
| 17:28:43 | prpplague | chouimat: opie-reader? a text to audio player/ |
| 17:28:47 | mark | kergoth: ouch. why no need for a ram disk? writable /? |
| 17:28:53 | kergoth | mark: 64mb flash. |
| 17:28:55 | kergoth | mark: ;) |
| 17:29:05 | kergoth | mark: 32 of which read only, 32 of which is user writable area like our current ramdisk |
| 17:29:14 | mark | kergoth: I see |
| 17:29:37 | chouimat | prpplague: nope a palmdoc reader |
| 17:29:38 | mark | i'd have liked 64/64.. |
| 17:29:44 | kergoth | mark: no kidding |
| 17:29:53 | kergoth | mark: but 32 is sufficient for most users |
| 17:30:03 | kergoth | mark: developers of course could use more |
| 17:30:39 | mark | kergoth: yah. oh well, sl-5700 perhaps |
| 17:30:46 | mark | kergoth: also, any idea if it has built in BT? |
| 17:30:53 | kergoth | mark: i dont think so, but not certain |
| 17:31:05 | mark | grr. |
| 17:31:14 | kergoth | its still technically rumor mill at this point |
| 17:31:19 | mark | yeah |
| 17:32:10 | mark | hmph. I thought bluetooth chips were pretty darn cheap now |
| 17:34:10 | mark | do any of the compaqs have built in wlan, or built on CF with no need for sleeves? |
| 17:36:34 | tux_mike | it's been far too long since i've had this |
| 17:36:49 | noidd | hey kergoth, I have the answer |
| 17:36:53 | kergoth | tux_mike: ? |
| 17:36:53 | kergoth | noidd: ? |
| 17:36:59 | tux_mike | sushi |
| 17:37:01 | kergoth | mark: if you find out, let me know :) |
| 17:37:01 | noidd | not sure if we'd agree - but it is an answer |
| 17:37:08 | noidd | sushi is the answer to all questions |
| 17:37:36 | noidd | kergoth: The current build system isn't going to be the final one. |
| 17:37:59 | kergoth | noidd: woo |
| 17:38:00 | noidd | kergoth: the final one is going to be two-stage. |
| 17:38:03 | kergoth | hm |
| 17:38:20 | noidd | kergoth: not auto, but shell + miniparrot |
| 17:38:30 | noidd | so, shell enough to compile mini, and mini to do the rest |
| 17:38:45 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 17:38:47 | noidd | there isn't much (read any) work in the cross-compiling area |
| 17:38:58 | kergoth | nobody ever cares about crosscompilation |
| 17:38:59 | noidd | so guess who has been volenteered to look at it |
| 17:39:00 | kergoth | for some reason |
| 17:39:02 | kergoth | and the thing is |
| 17:39:04 | kergoth | it isnt that hard |
| 17:39:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:39:11 | kergoth | if you *think* about it when you build the system |
| 17:39:36 | noidd | so, erm.. I may have some questions for you |
| 17:39:43 | noidd | things like word length etc... |
| 17:39:45 | noidd | :-/ |
| 17:40:00 | noidd | how does configure know about that stuff |
| 17:40:14 | kergoth | read a configure script :) |
| 17:40:15 | noidd | when you give it a build target - does it have datafiles with all those answers in already? |
| 17:40:32 | noidd | that doesn't make any sense |
| 17:40:33 | tux_mike | wow. socket 754 |
| 17:40:50 | noidd | when you normally configure, it runs lil programs to discover all he values normally |
| 17:41:02 | noidd | when you cross compile - it seems to gather the values out of mid-air |
| 17:41:08 | noidd | so there must be a list somewhere |
| 17:41:21 | noidd | thinks he is missing the point |
| 17:43:43 | kergoth | noidd: it depends |
| 17:43:49 | kergoth | noidd: some things it figures out from headers |
| 17:44:08 | kergoth | noidd: anything that requires a compile *and execute* test will fail for crosscompilation, so for those it uses sane defaults |
| 17:44:20 | noidd | ah yes |
| 17:44:29 | kergoth | noidd: or you can provide the results for those tests usign config.cache if your machine you're building for is different than the defautls |
| 17:44:33 | noidd | of course, with the xcompile environment you get the header files |
| 17:44:39 | noidd | which should contain most of the answers |
| 17:44:53 | noidd | kergoth: thats effectivly what i've been asked to do |
| 17:45:04 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:45:13 | noidd | they're likely going to include a --build=foo type affair |
| 17:45:14 | kergoth | add the ability to provide test results? |
| 17:45:23 | kergoth | well how they implement it is what matters |
| 17:45:25 | noidd | so, design foo |
| 17:45:32 | kergoth | they may not have an easy means of specifying test results and the like |
| 17:46:47 | noidd | well - at least the current process is open |
| 17:47:37 | kergoth | thats good |
| 17:47:38 | noidd | ie, each of the tests is a seperate file |
| 17:48:00 | noidd | and the build process steps through each of the files in turn |
| 17:48:16 | noidd | which is much nicer than that 10k line evil monstrosity that was perl5s |
| 17:48:37 | noidd | each file contains a runstep() method. |
| 17:48:44 | kergoth | nice |
| 17:48:48 | kergoth | thats much much much better |
| 17:49:09 | KeyserSoze | what does "-force-depends" do, in the package intaller? |
| 17:49:59 | paq | it's more like --ignore-dependencies |
| 17:50:10 | KeyserSoze | oh. |
| 17:50:15 | KeyserSoze | that's not what i want, then. |
| 17:50:41 | paq | what do you want? |
| 17:50:43 | KeyserSoze | what i'd like, is for when i try to install one ipk that depends on another, and the other one is on the cf card, for the installer to just install them both. |
| 17:50:51 | noidd | scary |
| 17:51:05 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: itll do that if you add the cf card as a feed |
| 17:51:16 | kergoth | echo src cf file:/mnt/cf >> /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 17:51:21 | kergoth | assuming a Packages file exists on /mnt/cf/ |
| 17:54:14 | Gfx | I'd need some help on syncing OpenZaurus with my desktop :) |
| 17:56:04 | kergoth | you read the FAQ under 'can openzaurus sync with qtopia desktop and intellisync?' first/ |
| 17:56:21 | kergoth | s/\//?/; |
| 17:56:24 | Gfx | yes |
| 17:56:28 | chouimat | kergoth: :) |
| 17:56:29 | kergoth | okay then whats the prob |
| 17:56:42 | Gfx | Qtopia Desktop just cannot log in to the zaurus |
| 17:57:02 | kergoth | did you run Security and hit OK? |
| 17:57:10 | Gfx | and the IrDA also does not work (OZ 2.9.5.5) |
| 17:57:11 | Gfx | yes I did |
| 17:57:14 | kergoth | and are you using the default ip scheme? 192.168.129.0/24 |
| 17:57:33 | kergoth | 'irda also does not work' tells me nothing. do you have details? |
| 17:57:42 | Gfx | my zaurus got the 192.168.129.201 IP and the desktop 192.168.129.1 |
| 17:57:49 | kergoth | and you can ping and everything? |
| 17:57:57 | Gfx | I can ping and everything yes |
| 17:58:29 | kergoth | ftp to the zaurus, port 4242 |
| 17:58:34 | kergoth | enter root, password 'rootme' |
| 17:59:07 | Gfx | I'll try this, thanks |
| 17:59:15 | kergoth | let me know whether that works or not |
| 17:59:27 | Gfx | ok |
| 17:59:34 | kergoth | because qtopia desktop does that to exchange data after it communicates using Qcop on 4243 |
| 17:59:47 | Gfx | I may come back then (I'm on the laptop and the Zaurus is not there) |
| 17:59:53 | kergoth`lunch | k, im gonna grab some food |
| 17:59:56 | kergoth`lunch | bbiab |
| 17:59:59 | Gfx | thanks again :) see you |
| 18:02:22 | noidd | hehe |
| 18:02:31 | noidd | I wonder if parrot has enough mailing lists... |
| 18:02:32 | noidd | http://dev.perl.org/perl6/lists/ |
| 18:03:24 | Twiun | hmmm, any reason why I shouldn't be able to telnet into the ipaqs at handhelds.org? |
| 18:04:08 | KeyserSoze | i'm assuming the "package manager" is there to help me install packages. it doesn't seem to do much good though. is there a way to find the packages i want to install from within the package manager? i've been going to the file manager and double clicking them, which in turn opens the package manager, and allows me to install a single package. |
| 18:07:12 | KeyserSoze | it was obvious how to use the original package manager in the sharprom. |
| 18:07:18 | KeyserSoze | this one, i do not get. |
| 18:08:43 | noidd | KeyserSoze: same, |
| 18:09:08 | noidd | KeyserSoze: I think I understand how it works, but it seems to have some bugs |
| 18:09:21 | noidd | KeyserSoze: might be worth having a word with the opie peeps |
| 18:09:31 | KeyserSoze | noidd: how do i get it to list packages i have, that aren't installed yet? |
| 18:09:49 | noidd | KeyserSoze: via network or local disk (eg, sd) |
| 18:10:27 | KeyserSoze | they are on the CF |
| 18:12:14 | KeyserSoze | kergoth said to "echo src cf file:/mnt/cf >> /etc/ipkg.conf" |
| 18:12:45 | KeyserSoze | to get the package installer to find packages automatically if they are dependancies. |
| 18:12:49 | KeyserSoze | but that didn't work. |
| 18:13:15 | noidd | ok |
| 18:13:32 | noidd | take a look at your /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 18:13:39 | noidd | and tell me how many src lines you have |
| 18:14:55 | KeyserSoze | src oz3 |
| 18:15:08 | Onyx4 | kergoth`1zz: pong |
| 18:15:12 | KeyserSoze | and src cf file:/mnt/cf |
| 18:17:21 | kergoth`lunch | Onyx4: do you want to Maintain pcmcia-cs, ifupdown, and hotplug, since you seem to be handling the intricacies there? |
| 18:17:22 | KeyserSoze | noidd: where am i supposed to see a list of available packages? |
| 18:17:29 | Onyx4 | kergoth` sure |
| 18:17:37 | KeyserSoze | kergoth`1zz: where am i supposed to see a list of available packages? |
| 18:17:52 | | Uh-oh -- WHY am I suddenly thinking of a VENERABLE religious leader frolicking on a FORT LAUDERDALE weekend? |
| 18:17:52 | chouimat|lunch | ibot be zippy |
| 18:17:57 | kergoth`lunch | KeyserSoze: ? right in oipkg under feed |
| 18:19:01 | KeyserSoze | kergoth'l: i have nothing there but blue dots. |
| 18:19:26 | Onyx4 | kergoth` did you try a new initrd with all my latest fixes? |
| 18:19:48 | | it has been said that oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 18:19:48 | ciaolinux | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 18:20:03 | kergoth`lunch | KeyserSoze: then you didnt run ipkg update |
| 18:20:24 | kergoth`lunch | KeyserSoze: or you didnt create a Pakcages file on the card using ipkg-make-index.. i said the echo would work "assuming theres a Packages file in /mnt/cf" |
| 18:20:29 | noidd | hands it over to the expert |
| 18:20:43 | kergoth`lunch | Onyx4: my opie is being freaky |
| 18:20:58 | Onyx4 | like what? |
| 18:21:01 | kergoth`lunch | Onyx4: exact symptoms as hunger reported with opie not getting keyboard events |
| 18:21:39 | Onyx4 | oooh I think that may have happened to me, not sure, with the arrow keys on the pad |
| 18:21:44 | kergoth`lunch | but its my fault, i was playing around with how i spawned opie |
| 18:21:53 | kergoth`lunch | i used openvt on it, and then ran a chvt 2 at the end of the script |
| 18:21:56 | Onyx4 | maybe not i dunno |
| 18:21:59 | kergoth`lunch | trying to spawn opie without hanging the startup script |
| 18:23:20 | KeyserSoze | kergoth`lunch: what's the better way of finding out how to use "ipkg-make-index", other then telling you i tried typing in the terminal while in /mnt/cf, and that it wasn't recognized as a command? |
| 18:23:40 | kergoth`lunch | KeyserSoze: its not included in oz, its a command you'd type from a desktop using a cf reader |
| 18:23:45 | kergoth`lunch | KeyserSoze: or something similar |
| 18:24:10 | KeyserSoze | ah, but you didn't answer my question. |
| 18:24:26 | ciaolinux | kergoth`lunch: where can i find the newest version of opie todo? |
| 18:24:28 | kergoth`lunch | KeyserSoze: huh? |
| 18:24:51 | kergoth`lunch | KeyserSoze: use ipkg-make-index to produce a Packages file. run ipkg update. run oipkg. install things. |
| 18:25:11 | | somebody said feed was a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 18:25:11 | ciaolinux | ibot: feed |
| 18:25:48 | KeyserSoze | my question was: kergoth`lunch: what's the better way of finding out how to use "ipkg-make-index", other than.... |
| 18:28:52 | umopapisdn | hep! |
| 18:29:39 | umopapisdn | Onyx4: How are things coming along with OZ today? Fixed all the bugs ? :) |
| 18:29:54 | Onyx4 | I think so yes |
| 18:30:00 | Onyx4 | my feed is updated with my latest fixes |
| 18:30:07 | Onyx4 | new hotplug, ifupdown and pcmcia , oz-base |
| 18:30:34 | umopapisdn | Onyx4: Do you have an initrd.bin aswell there somewhere? |
| 18:31:04 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: what is your feed? |
| 18:33:42 | kergoth`lunch | I'll test another image today. the progress of aqpkg and networksetup is what holds us atm |
| 18:34:14 | umopapisdn | kergoth`lunch: Is ben's network setup app going to be default one with this release? |
| 18:34:18 | kergoth`lunch | umopapisdn: yes |
| 18:34:23 | kergoth`lunch | umopapisdn: its already working for wlan |
| 18:34:31 | kergoth`lunch | and usb networking |
| 18:34:34 | kergoth`lunch | no ppp yet |
| 18:34:55 | umopapisdn | kergoth`lunch: cool! It looked nice when I looked at it some day ago. |
| 18:35:30 | kergoth`lunch | umopapisdn: he has profiles working for the ip config now, but not profile/pcmcia scheme support for wlan yet. but its coming. |
| 18:35:39 | ciaolinux | kergoth`lunch: what is the difference within aipkg and oipkg? |
| 18:35:44 | | you are one of the OpenZaurus developpers and also maintains zmencoder (see zmencoder). or Optimized feed at http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ |
| 18:35:44 | Onyx4 | ibot: who onyx4 |
| 18:35:47 | kergoth`lunch | ciaolinux: aqpkg is much easier to use. |
| 18:36:15 | kergoth`lunch | aqpkg also shows locally available ipks via the documents system |
| 18:36:18 | kergoth`lunch | wheres oipkg never did |
| 18:36:40 | kergoth`lunch | s/wheres/whereas/ |
| 18:36:59 | kergoth`lunch | oipkg is still more powerful, but its improving |
| 18:37:05 | ciaolinux | is it possible to use ipaq feed for the Z? |
| 18:37:22 | ciaolinux | i.e. can i use this feed? http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/20020602/Packages |
| 18:37:31 | kergoth`lunch | dont do that. |
| 18:37:34 | Onyx4 | I would not recommend it |
| 18:38:32 | ciaolinux | kergoth`lunch: so where can i get the new version of opie-todo? |
| 18:38:44 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: would theorically work? |
| 18:38:50 | kergoth`lunch | ciaolinux: you can probably wget the opie-todo package and use it |
| 18:39:00 | kergoth`lunch | ciaolinux: i would not recommend installing directly from that feed using ipkg |
| 18:39:12 | kergoth`lunch | ciaolinux: it will install ipaq versions of things. certain packages *do* have things specific to hardware |
| 18:39:30 | ciaolinux | kergoth`lunch: i donwload the .ipk from that feed, or is there an ufficial webpage? |
| 18:40:03 | kergoth`lunch | ? |
| 18:40:13 | kergoth`lunch | official webpage for what/ |
| 18:40:20 | ciaolinux | for opie-todo |
| 18:40:25 | Gfx | re kergoth`1zz |
| 18:40:25 | Gfx | the FTP trick worked just fine |
| 18:40:25 | Gfx | thanks a lot |
| 18:40:32 | ciaolinux | kergoth`lunch: with the last release |
| 18:40:49 | kergoth`lunch | ciaolinux: last release of what? |
| 18:40:59 | ciaolinux | kergoth`lunch: of opie-todo |
| 18:41:00 | kergoth`lunch | ciaolinux: this is *from cvs* .. there is no official release of opie. |
| 18:41:10 | kergoth`lunch | ciaolinux: opie is *in development* and is not released. |
| 18:41:17 | Gfx | but now, I have another question :-)) How can I get back to official ROM ? I have the OSPACK from myzaurus.com and I'd like to rip the Hancom Office Suite to install it on OpenZaurus. Should I just rename OSPACK to initrd.bin ? |
| 18:41:22 | kergoth`lunch | no |
| 18:41:26 | ciaolinux | kergoth`lunch: yes i know... sorry, i wanted to say version |
| 18:41:27 | kergoth`lunch | delete initrd.bin and zImage |
| 18:41:30 | kergoth`lunch | put ospack on the card |
| 18:41:34 | kergoth`lunch | flash it the same way you did OZ |
| 18:41:38 | Gfx | ok, thanks a lot :) |
| 18:41:40 | kergoth`lunch | adds that to the faq |
| 18:41:48 | Gfx | good idea |
| 18:42:10 | Gfx | well thanks again for you help |
| 18:42:12 | Gfx | see you :) |
| 18:42:37 | ciaolinux | kergoth`lunch: so you suggest that i just download the package opie-todo from the ipaq feed? |
| 18:42:52 | kergoth`lunch | ciaolinux: yep, should work fine |
| 18:43:05 | ciaolinux | kergoth`lunch: ok, thanks i will try that |
| 18:54:41 | Dessimat0r | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=654 |
| 18:54:44 | Dessimat0r | oooh! :D |
| 18:55:13 | scanline | "wrotten in Java" |
| 18:55:16 | scanline | :) |
| 18:55:21 | Dessimat0r | bah |
| 18:55:22 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 18:55:25 | tux_mike | must be stinky software |
| 18:55:29 | Dessimat0r | yeah |
| 18:55:30 | scanline | yep |
| 18:55:31 | kergoth`lunch | hehe |
| 18:56:19 | chouimat|nap | any worth installing on the z beside nethack |
| 18:56:29 | kergoth`lunch | any what? |
| 18:56:36 | chouimat|nap | games |
| 18:56:42 | kergoth`lunch | i install a bunhc |
| 18:56:44 | kergoth`lunch | bunhc |
| 18:56:46 | kergoth`lunch | bunCH |
| 18:56:48 | kergoth`lunch | opie-buzzword |
| 18:56:52 | tux_mike | http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,55807,00.html |
| 18:56:53 | kergoth`lunch | candycruncher i bought from neo |
| 18:56:55 | tux_mike | woot! |
| 18:57:52 | chouimat|nap | kergoth`lunch: does giFT work behind a firewall? |
| 18:57:56 | Dessimat0r | why isn't this working?! I keep formatting my CF as ext2 using mkfs.ext2, but it always turns out being FAT16... |
| 18:58:02 | Dessimat0r | with a lostandfou.nd dir |
| 18:58:04 | Dessimat0r | on it |
| 18:58:08 | Dessimat0r | not dir, file |
| 18:58:15 | kergoth`lunch | chouimat|nap: yeah. i usually port forward to share files though |
| 18:58:31 | chouimat|nap | Dessimat0r: partiton type 83? |
| 18:58:36 | Dessimat0r | yup |
| 18:58:39 | Dessimat0r | on fdisk |
| 18:59:03 | Dessimat0r | and I unmounted beforehand |
| 18:59:06 | chouimat|nap | Dessimat0r: it's a sysinfo bug then :) |
| 18:59:06 | Dessimat0r | using umount |
| 18:59:11 | kergoth`lunch | you are formatting hda1 not hda right? |
| 18:59:12 | kergoth`lunch | ;) |
| 18:59:16 | Dessimat0r | yes |
| 18:59:17 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 18:59:41 | Dessimat0r | In filemanager, it reports that the type of the partition is vfat |
| 18:59:46 | chouimat|nap | kergoth`lunch: giFT don't connect here |
| 18:59:49 | Dessimat0r | and I can also read it using Windows XP |
| 18:59:53 | Dessimat0r | so.. ;) |
| 19:00:53 | Dessimat0r | on Windows XP, the lostandfou.nd file is not there |
| 19:01:10 | chouimat|nap | Dessimat0r: which brand of CF |
| 19:01:24 | Dessimat0r | PQI 256mb |
| 19:01:26 | scanline | why does the brand matter? |
| 19:02:20 | Dessimat0r | It has been in ext2 before |
| 19:02:24 | chouimat|nap | scanline: I had seen a CF card that doesn't worked with any fs type but vfat |
| 19:02:34 | scanline | that's weird |
| 19:02:48 | Dessimat0r | But I need to reformat it to Fat16 |
| 19:02:51 | Dessimat0r | needed |
| 19:02:55 | Dessimat0r | to install OZ |
| 19:03:04 | Dessimat0r | a newer version |
| 19:03:18 | chouimat|nap | Dessimat0r: buy a 16MB one (OZ fit on it) |
| 19:03:27 | Dessimat0r | I have a 64mb one |
| 19:03:39 | Dessimat0r | which is Fat16 |
| 19:03:46 | Dessimat0r | and that is my flashing card |
| 19:03:59 | Dessimat0r | however, I did not get it till last week |
| 19:04:04 | Dessimat0r | you see? ;) |
| 19:04:09 | chouimat|nap | Dessimat0r: I have 1 64MB and 3 16MB all ext2 but one 16 |
| 19:04:33 | Dessimat0r | now, i should be able to format back to ext2 using fdisk and mkfs.ext2 perfectly |
| 19:04:40 | Dessimat0r | like i could before ;) |
| 19:05:05 | Dessimat0r | they bot hsay they are successful without any errors |
| 19:05:09 | chouimat|nap | Dessimat0r: you do that on the desktop or the Z |
| 19:05:10 | Dessimat0r | both say |
| 19:05:11 | Onyx4 | hey has anyone tried infrared with their cell phone with latest oz? I can get it to detect my phone, but when I try sending the vcf, it just sits there |
| 19:05:13 | Dessimat0r | on the Z# |
| 19:05:22 | Dessimat0r | I don't have Linux on the desktop |
| 19:05:28 | kergoth`lunch | Onyx4: i've never heard problems about sending, only with receiving files |
| 19:05:31 | chouimat|nap | Dessimat0r: ok |
| 19:05:39 | kergoth`lunch | Onyx4: if you receive a file it just drops it in /tmp |
| 19:05:39 | kergoth`lunch | Onyx4: hehe |
| 19:05:57 | Onyx4 | mmm I wonder what might be going on |
| 19:06:01 | chouimat|nap | anyone got the Z and palm talk to each other over ir? |
| 19:06:15 | kergoth`lunch | chouimat|nap: try beaming. use irdapplet |
| 19:06:17 | kergoth`lunch | it should work |
| 19:06:23 | kergoth`lunch | has no devices to test it with himself |
| 19:06:34 | chouimat|nap | the palm don't see my Z but the Z see the palm |
| 19:08:30 | Onyx4 | yeah that's what I think happens with my Z too |
| 19:08:38 | Onyx4 | it sees the phone, but phone can't see it |
| 19:08:43 | kergoth`lunch | ask in #opie |
| 19:13:49 | Onyx4 | do you think it might be something in our irda packages or we just use the stuff from opie? |
| 19:13:57 | Onyx4 | like the way the irda interface is configured |
| 19:14:18 | kergoth`lunch | posibly, but it has been tested before |
| 19:19:49 | Dessimat0r | can someone test formatting to ext2? |
| 19:20:34 | kergoth`lunch | multiple people are running cards as ext2 |
| 19:20:37 | kergoth`lunch | quite a few actually |
| 19:20:48 | Bovine | I've got my SD running ext2 |
| 19:20:52 | Bovine | works a treat |
| 19:21:12 | Bovine | someones going to tell me that it's a bad idea to do that now :/ |
| 19:21:15 | Bovine | :P |
| 19:24:22 | chouimat|nap | Dessimat0r: It's work |
| 19:25:51 | Onyx4 | if you format it ext2 |
| 19:25:56 | Onyx4 | don't change the partition table |
| 19:26:01 | Onyx4 | just mkfs.ext2 <device> |
| 19:26:14 | Onyx4 | i did that one mine and so far it's been great |
| 19:26:18 | Onyx4 | I didn't mess up my sd card |
| 19:27:19 | chouimat|nap | Onyx4: but you won't be ablt to mount it on a desktop |
| 19:27:32 | kergoth`lunch | you can if the desktop is linux |
| 19:27:32 | kergoth`lunch | :) |
| 19:27:53 | chouimat|nap | mine a partition type of 83 and I no problems |
| 19:28:47 | ciao_linux | Onyx4: what is the advantage? faster? |
| 19:28:54 | numatrix | tux_mike: woah, just saw your post about the usb->serial hack on a500. Funny. Just suprised me when I saw it was you. ;-) |
| 19:28:57 | kergoth`lunch | ciao_linux: you can have symlinks on the media |
| 19:29:08 | numatrix | on a500hacking.com that is. |
| 19:29:21 | Dessimat0r | hmm |
| 19:29:23 | numatrix | has an sd card running ext2 |
| 19:29:29 | tux_mike | numatrix: yah, i get quite exhausted explaning to people USB != serial |
| 19:29:48 | numatrix | ;-) Any ideas on how exactly to connect up a vision phone to the zaurus? |
| 19:30:07 | tux_mike | none as of yet |
| 19:30:10 | numatrix | I'm racking my brain, but can't think of anything. I've heard that possibly the sanyo 4900 has a serial cable adapter for it, but don't know if it functions the same way. |
| 19:30:41 | tux_mike | PDA->laptop in bookbag via bluetooth, laptop->phone via usb? |
| 19:31:06 | noidd | 70711097 |
| 19:31:10 | numatrix | tux_mike: heh; right, for those of us with a spare laptop to do wireless routing. ;-) |
| 19:31:38 | tux_mike | well, you could make a device out of a LART |
| 19:32:34 | Dessimat0r | argh, I've just f*cking formated it as ext2 again, as it was still being recognised as vfat - its *still* vfat! |
| 19:32:49 | numatrix | tux_mike: lart? |
| 19:33:17 | tux_mike | http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/ |
| 19:33:28 | Dessimat0r | When I used mkfs.ext2, there were no errors whatsosever |
| 19:33:41 | Dessimat0r | and I used umount /dev/hda1 in the console |
| 19:33:51 | Dessimat0r | then i did mkfs.ext2 /dev/hda1 |
| 19:34:05 | Dessimat0r | then i took the cf card out |
| 19:34:09 | Dessimat0r | then reinserted |
| 19:36:48 | ljp_work | did you fdisk? |
| 19:37:21 | Onyx4 | so is there any way to get tunes and stuff from linux irda to the nokia ? :) |
| 19:37:26 | chouimat|nap | tux_mike: I love the palm as terminal |
| 19:37:58 | tux_mike | heh, yah |
| 19:38:37 | | rumour has it oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 19:38:37 | nasa | ibot oz prerelease |
| 19:38:44 | kergoth`lunch | hey nasa |
| 19:38:54 | nasa | hey kergoth, how's it going |
| 19:39:01 | kergoth | not bad, other than being at work of course |
| 19:39:12 | kergoth | you? |
| 19:39:28 | nasa | not bad, just got back from work |
| 19:40:01 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:40:06 | kergoth | man am i glad its friday |
| 19:40:08 | kergoth | this week sucked |
| 19:40:28 | chouimat | damn! that asshole just crashed his computer. I fixed it yesterday |
| 19:40:41 | nasa | sorry to hear that. With my job, I don't keep track of weekends.... |
| 19:40:55 | Dessimat0r | yes |
| 19:40:56 | Dessimat0r | i fdisked |
| 19:41:07 | Dessimat0r | i removed partition 1 first |
| 19:41:12 | Dessimat0r | then i created a new one |
| 19:41:16 | Dessimat0r | of the max size of the card |
| 19:41:23 | Dessimat0r | then set its type |
| 19:41:25 | Dessimat0r | to 83 |
| 19:41:29 | Dessimat0r | then wrote it |
| 19:41:36 | Dessimat0r | then reset the Z |
| 19:41:53 | Dessimat0r | then did all the stuff i said earlier |
| 19:42:02 | Dessimat0r | it used to work on the old OZ |
| 19:42:07 | nasa | so kergoth: any news on the next prerelease? |
| 19:42:07 | Dessimat0r | the formatting etc |
| 19:42:18 | Onyx4 | I wonder if I could use irda on linux with my hauppauge card irda to talk to my phone |
| 19:42:20 | Bovine | kergoth: the pre-release doesn't assign lo the loopback IP |
| 19:42:25 | kergoth | nasa: onyx4 fixed some of the ifupdown/pcmcia-cs stuff last night, we're sitting pretty good |
| 19:42:43 | kergoth | Bovine: yeah, not sure why. tis od.d |
| 19:43:11 | Bovine | kergoth: fix is to hack /etc/network/interfaces, remove "auto lo" and spefiy the IP/Netmask for lo |
| 19:43:15 | kergoth | Bovine: 'ifup lo' brings it up fine, and its set as 'auto' in interfaces.. |
| 19:43:44 | Bovine | k |
| 19:43:59 | chouimat | any image viewer on oz |
| 19:44:05 | kergoth | chouimat: opie has one |
| 19:44:12 | kergoth | chouimat: kinda sucks, but it works for the most part |
| 19:44:20 | chouimat | kergoth: name? |
| 19:44:28 | kergoth | um |
| 19:44:31 | kergoth | ponders |
| 19:44:42 | Dessimat0r | opie-imageviewer ? |
| 19:44:44 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 19:44:53 | chouimat | why my cat allways sleeps on my mouse pad |
| 19:45:25 | Dessimat0r | if it always sleeps on the mouse pad, then why don't you just move it? |
| 19:45:33 | Dessimat0r | its obviously not meant to be there |
| 19:46:07 | Dessimat0r | unless you enjoy a cat on your mouse mat |
| 19:50:05 | Bovine | are there any alternative terminals for Opie? Ideally ones that don't have the huge stupid tabs :) |
| 19:50:27 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:50:31 | kergoth | you dont like having more than one tab? |
| 19:50:49 | scanline | is away: class |
| 19:50:51 | Bovine | yeah I do, but I would prefer it in a drop down menu |
| 19:50:58 | Bovine | takes up less space :) |
| 19:51:14 | kergoth | didnt someone open a feature request in opie's bugtracker on that? |
| 19:51:24 | Onyx4 | do we have the line iface lo inet loopback ? |
| 19:51:45 | Bovine | iface lo inet loopback |
| 19:51:45 | Bovine | address 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:51:45 | Bovine | netmask 255.0.0.0 |
| 19:51:47 | Onyx4 | yep |
| 19:51:48 | Bovine | is what I did |
| 19:51:52 | Onyx4 | why ? |
| 19:51:56 | Onyx4 | the default should work |
| 19:52:01 | Bovine | didn't come up auto otherwise :/ |
| 19:52:13 | kergoth | default does work, you can ifup it.. |
| 19:52:18 | kergoth | but weird that it doesnt work with auto without that |
| 19:52:26 | Bovine | yeah, but that's manual labour on my part :) |
| 19:52:26 | kergoth | i mean |
| 19:52:33 | kergoth | every debian box doesnt have a entry like that for lo |
| 19:52:35 | kergoth | they use the defautls |
| 19:52:58 | nasa | kergoth: any idea when we get to play with the next prerelease? |
| 19:52:59 | Onyx4 | so are you saying that on oz, with just auto lo and iface li inet loopback that it doesn't come up? |
| 19:53:20 | kergoth | nasa: whenever i get around to releasing it. right now i'm fighting with openvt |
| 19:53:33 | Bovine | lo comes up, just doesn't have the IP assigned, hence it's useless |
| 19:53:45 | Onyx4 | Bovine: mmm ok let me test that |
| 19:54:09 | Onyx4 | might be a problem with our ifupdown scripts |
| 19:54:29 | Onyx4 | if so I'll fix it |
| 19:54:35 | Onyx4 | since I maintain ifupdown :) |
| 19:54:45 | chouimat | kergoth: a little list for you |
| 19:54:48 | chouimat | Heinlein, Robert A - All You Zombies.txt |
| 19:54:48 | chouimat | Heinlein, Robert A - Black Pits of Luna, The.txt |
| 19:54:48 | chouimat | Heinlein, Robert A - Blowups Happen.txt |
| 19:54:48 | chouimat | Heinlein, Robert A - Cat who Walks Through Walls, The.txt |
| 19:54:48 | chouimat | Heinlein, Robert A - Citizen of the Galaxy.txt |
| 19:55:01 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:55:06 | kergoth | 15:03 -!- chouimat [~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca] has |
| 19:55:06 | kergoth | quit [Excess Flood] |
| 19:55:10 | kergoth | ;) |
| 19:55:22 | Onyx4 | ha I know the problem I think |
| 19:55:25 | Wembly | onyx4: you maintain ifupdown? |
| 19:55:31 | Onyx4 | it's probably another busybox thing with ifconfig |
| 19:55:36 | kergoth | Onyx4: he maintains the OZ version of ifupdown |
| 19:55:37 | chouimat | :) |
| 19:55:39 | Wembly | oh |
| 19:55:39 | Onyx4 | cause loopback is a method for ifupdown |
| 19:55:40 | kergoth | the oz packages that is |
| 19:55:40 | Wembly | drat |
| 19:55:46 | Wembly | add nameserver <variable> |
| 19:55:56 | Wembly | so that when you do a static iface def |
| 19:56:07 | Wembly | it'll add the proper nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:56:13 | Wembly | like when you do a dhcp iface def |
| 19:56:23 | Wembly | thats my suggestion :) |
| 19:56:36 | Onyx4 | Bovine: on my Z I see lo with 127.0.0.1 address |
| 19:56:51 | Onyx4 | Bovine: can you install my latest ifupdown package and retest to make sure? |
| 19:56:56 | | well, onyx4 is one of the OpenZaurus developpers and also maintains zmencoder (see zmencoder). or Optimized feed at http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ |
| 19:56:56 | Onyx4 | ibot: who onyx4 |
| 19:56:58 | Onyx4 | that's my feed |
| 19:57:16 | Wembly | what is zmencoder |
| 19:57:28 | | well, zmencoder is at http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 19:57:28 | Wembly | ibot what is zmencoder? |
| 19:57:30 | Onyx4 | oh wait |
| 19:57:32 | Onyx4 | I found the problem |
| 19:57:35 | Onyx4 | ifupdown calls |
| 19:57:37 | Onyx4 | route add -net 127.0.0.0 |
| 19:57:41 | kergoth | GODDDAMNIT |
| 19:57:42 | Onyx4 | this on busybox returns invalid argument |
| 19:57:44 | kergoth | explodes |
| 19:58:00 | kergoth | busybox openvt is fucked |
| 19:58:08 | ljp_work | grabs hardwires mop |
| 19:58:10 | kergoth | keyboard input doesnt follow to the vt you move to |
| 19:58:11 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:58:21 | kergoth | from what i can tell anyway |
| 19:58:25 | kergoth | growls |
| 19:58:29 | Wembly | busybox in genreal.... |
| 19:58:51 | kergoth | busybox is great |
| 19:59:00 | Wembly | if you dont mind half working things :) |
| 19:59:00 | kergoth | it just has some minor bugs, which we patch and get pushed upstream. |
| 19:59:08 | kergoth | most of them are fully working |
| 19:59:14 | Wembly | hehe |
| 19:59:15 | kergoth | they're jsut small implementations. which is what you expect |
| 19:59:19 | Wembly | if you say so :) |
| 19:59:36 | Wembly | yea but some features youd want to work dont. :/ |
| 19:59:42 | kergoth | we're sacrificing functionality for size. thinking otherwise is bs. |
| 20:01:34 | kergoth | if you want full versions of things, install them |
| 20:01:38 | kergoth | thers nothing stopping you |
| 20:01:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:02:15 | Onyx4 | Bovine: you still there |
| 20:02:59 | Onyx4 | kergoth: do you see the loopback interface problem he's talking about? |
| 20:03:00 | Onyx4 | I don't |
| 20:03:20 | kergoth | Onyx4: hold |
| 20:03:21 | kergoth | eek |
| 20:03:34 | kergoth | aqpkg's buttons for jumping to certain letters is okay |
| 20:03:39 | kergoth | but we *need* a way to turn it off |
| 20:03:44 | kergoth | cause it pisses me off, waste of screen space |
| 20:04:23 | kergoth | ibot: message for andyq: andy, can you add an option in the Settings menu to hide the Letter jump-to buttons? save it in your Config.. a lot of users will want to disable it if they dont use it to save screen space. Thanks. |
| 20:04:37 | Onyx4 | yes and I want to be able to scrolldown the package list with the arrow keys and press "ok" if I want to select it |
| 20:04:44 | Onyx4 | that way it's much faster than the stylus |
| 20:05:00 | kergoth | yes |
| 20:05:08 | kergoth | the buttons though is just annoying |
| 20:05:13 | kergoth | i wont release it as is |
| 20:05:17 | kergoth | i'll patch aqpkg myself if i have to |
| 20:05:18 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:07:01 | chouimat | kergoth: I have about 420MB of Scifi and Fantasy ebooks |
| 20:07:10 | kergoth | chouimat: damnn |
| 20:07:17 | kergoth | likes to buy the books though |
| 20:07:52 | chouimat | me too but |
| 20:08:03 | kergoth | is broke |
| 20:09:03 | chouimat | ... and our beef jerky are now nearly rectum free .... |
| 20:09:32 | Onyx4 | so kergoth is lo on reboot brought back ok? |
| 20:10:01 | ciao_linux | kergoth: do you have screens of aipkg? |
| 20:10:08 | scan[ibook] | is curious about lo also |
| 20:10:13 | kergoth | Onyx4: flashing now, I had to switch back to chvt after testing out busybox openvt |
| 20:10:29 | kergoth | Onyx4: i'm going to be altering busybox openvt a *lot* to make it useful |
| 20:10:32 | Onyx4 | heh ok |
| 20:10:52 | Onyx4 | so for busybox we're sticking to the 23rd version and patching it? |
| 20:11:13 | kergoth | well, has anyone tested tar in a recent build? |
| 20:11:22 | kergoth | we're sticking with what we know works, until we know something else works. |
| 20:11:36 | mark | kergoth: i've used it, but not properly tested... |
| 20:12:54 | Onyx4 | yeah we've had so much problems lately, I'd rather have always a forced version there |
| 20:13:00 | Onyx4 | to make sure everyone that builds has the same version |
| 20:13:29 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:13:45 | kergoth | opie is still HEAD cause they're fixing things more than they're breaking them :) |
| 20:14:19 | kergoth | hey pavelm |
| 20:15:06 | Gfx | kergoth, may I bother you once more ? :) |
| 20:15:16 | kergoth | Gfx: feel free |
| 20:15:47 | kergoth | waits for ssh keys to generate.. |
| 20:15:49 | Gfx | thx, I was wondering where I could find qpe-base-1.5.0 to make Hancom Office suite work on OpenZaurus (I've manager to rip it) |
| 20:15:57 | kergoth | you dont need it |
| 20:16:04 | kergoth | check the -force-depends box |
| 20:16:05 | kergoth | in oipkg |
| 20:16:14 | Gfx | oh yes |
| 20:16:18 | Gfx | you're right |
| 20:16:27 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:16:28 | Gfx | moreover, I used it to force install of opie-qpdf :) |
| 20:16:35 | Gfx | (but against gzip) |
| 20:16:54 | Gfx | I was also wondering if it is normal that the launcher app does not allow me to create new tabs ? |
| 20:17:12 | kergoth | Onyx4: whats current ifupdown? I'm on 0.6.4-5d and i see the same behavior |
| 20:17:19 | kergoth | Onyx4: lo doesnt come UP even |
| 20:17:34 | kergoth | Onyx4: unless i ifup lo |
| 20:17:57 | kergoth | reboots his Z |
| 20:18:08 | pavelm | kergoth: Hi! |
| 20:18:21 | pavelm | kergoth: Sorry, I'm on slow line (and was away to get some tea). |
| 20:18:34 | kergoth | np |
| 20:18:38 | pavelm | kergoth: I've small present for you: I hacked usbnet.c (2.5.42 version) to support zaurus |
| 20:18:53 | pavelm | kergoth: It seems to work. |
| 20:19:02 | kergoth | nice.. how bad of a hack is it? ;) |
| 20:19:23 | pavelm | Good enough after some cleanups. |
| 20:19:25 | kergoth | 15:27 < andersee> kergoth: Its been reported that busybox tar in unstable has |
| 20:19:29 | kergoth | some problems. It doesn't currently pass the test suite. I |
| 20:19:29 | pavelm | Certainly better than lineo. |
| 20:19:32 | kergoth | think bug1 broke it. |
| 20:19:35 | kergoth | looks like we stick to our busybox locked in date of 23rd |
| 20:19:38 | kergoth | pavelm: great |
| 20:19:49 | kergoth | pavelm: now we need to get it up where everybody and their brother can get ahold of it :) |
| 20:20:24 | pavelm | kergoth: Well, its not quite ready for prime time. |
| 20:20:33 | kergoth | pavelm: figured ;) |
| 20:20:34 | pavelm | kergoth: It should be rather easy to push to Linus. |
| 20:21:16 | Dessimat0r | whoa. Linus. |
| 20:21:17 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 20:21:29 | Onyx4 | kergoth yeah 5d is current |
| 20:21:37 | Onyx4 | mmmm |
| 20:21:59 | Onyx4 | I think I remember seeing some error message when doing the ifup -a maybe |
| 20:22:04 | pavelm | kergoth: Do you want a copy via mail? |
| 20:22:08 | Onyx4 | if you do ifup -a does it bring it up? |
| 20:22:22 | Twiun | kergoth: kaffe finally finished building ;-) |
| 20:23:39 | Onyx4 | ok with a wireless card in at least my lo is brought up |
| 20:23:43 | Gfx | is there any OPIE project member here ? |
| 20:23:46 | Onyx4 | let me try without the wifi card |
| 20:24:06 | mark | Gfx: try #opie |
| 20:24:10 | Gfx | thanks |
| 20:25:24 | Onyx4 | something still fails to umount on reboot |
| 20:25:29 | Onyx4 | /mnt/ram is always checked |
| 20:25:31 | Onyx4 | for some reason |
| 20:26:30 | NetNut404_work | hmm I though it was october 18.. but my sharp keeps educating me that it's only jan 3rd.. guess I got a while till those projects reach their deadlines LOL |
| 20:27:54 | Onyx4 | mmm even without the wifi card, my lo still works after reboot odd... |
| 20:28:15 | NetNut404_work | what causes this ? Linux zaurus 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix #4 Tue Oct 1 17:03:53 PDT 2002 armv4l unknown |
| 20:28:15 | NetNut404_work | System bootup in progress - please wait |
| 20:28:28 | NetNut404_work | end then it closes the connection |
| 20:28:31 | Onyx4 | /etc/nologin is not removed |
| 20:28:37 | Onyx4 | that's fixed |
| 20:28:37 | NetNut404_work | only root can log in |
| 20:28:41 | Onyx4 | yep |
| 20:28:47 | Onyx4 | need latest oz-base |
| 20:29:00 | NetNut404_work | I just got that from you the other day lol |
| 20:29:09 | NetNut404_work | is it on your feed ? |
| 20:29:20 | Onyx4 | eh wait mine is not even updated with that fix hold on |
| 20:29:28 | Onyx4 | it got fixed like yesterday by kergoth |
| 20:29:35 | NetNut404_work | ah |
| 20:29:57 | NetNut404_work | anyone have a clue about the date/time thing yet? |
| 20:30:59 | pavelm | I have patch that enables 2.5.X's usbnet to talk to zaurus... Without eating disks (hopefully). |
| 20:31:05 | Onyx4 | ok now oz-base with that fix is in my feed |
| 20:31:06 | pavelm | Anyone wants to beta-test it? |
| 20:34:37 | Onyx4 | kergoth |
| 20:34:41 | Onyx4 | there's a problem in your oz-base |
| 20:34:48 | Onyx4 | S99rmnologin -> ../init.d/S99rmnologin |
| 20:34:53 | Onyx4 | hehe it needs to link to just rmnolgin |
| 20:35:49 | NetNut404_work | is that all that's fixed? |
| 20:35:59 | Onyx4 | depends on which version you have now |
| 20:36:01 | Onyx4 | which one you got |
| 20:36:17 | NetNut404_work | the one I got from your feed the other night that fixed my dhcp |
| 20:36:44 | Onyx4 | well, do you use the new networksetup settings or the old netsetup? |
| 20:36:51 | kergoth | Onyx4: oops. hehe. |
| 20:37:00 | TMM1[sleeeep] | kergoth libtool |
| 20:37:09 | Onyx4 | cause you might want to upgrade ifupdown and hotplug and pcmcia , not sure if you have the latest |
| 20:37:16 | TMM1[sleeeep] | whats new |
| 20:38:14 | NetNut404_work | I don't know honstly.. I plug in my wlan0 and it works... that's all I doo I love dhcp working |
| 20:38:19 | TMM1[sleeeep] | Onyx4 whats new |
| 20:38:29 | NetNut404_work | no more running scrips for work, and home |
| 20:38:33 | kergoth | TMM1[sleeeep]: didnt work on OZ at all last night. took a break. |
| 20:38:42 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth alright cooll |
| 20:38:43 | Onyx4 | well I think our networking/hotplug/ifupdown/pcmcia is all good |
| 20:39:02 | Onyx4 | i really can't reproduce the lo not coming up at boot problem |
| 20:39:09 | Onyx4 | I don't know if i have something setup differently |
| 20:39:17 | kergoth | Onyx4: lo comes up, just not on first boot :) |
| 20:39:25 | Onyx4 | oooooh |
| 20:39:26 | kergoth | Onyx4: must be the ifupdown postinst |
| 20:39:36 | kergoth | Onyx4: is it adding the lo entry in th epostinst? if so it needs to run ifup lo |
| 20:39:46 | Onyx4 | nope |
| 20:39:51 | Onyx4 | it doesn't add it at postinst |
| 20:40:09 | kergoth | well, for whatever reason, it doesnt come up on first boot. |
| 20:40:10 | kergoth | hrm |
| 20:40:29 | NetNut404_work | upgrading oz-base off your feed |
| 20:40:40 | kergoth | jeeze we're up to 14l on the oz-base revision |
| 20:40:41 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:40:57 | Onyx4 | NetNut404_work: wait |
| 20:41:05 | Onyx4 | i'll update it with kergoth's fix for nologin |
| 20:41:06 | kergoth | Onyx4: pushed the S99rmnologin fix. |
| 20:41:08 | Onyx4 | it's not yet working |
| 20:41:35 | NetNut404_work | uhh oh |
| 20:41:42 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:41:45 | Onyx4 | well just hang on and re-update it in a second |
| 20:41:48 | Onyx4 | i'll let you know when |
| 20:41:58 | kergoth | the rmnologin isnt critical, it just prevents login at console |
| 20:42:48 | Onyx4 | so what could be missing that the ifup or ifconfig command fails |
| 20:42:49 | NetNut404_work | the ipkg ugrade hung |
| 20:42:53 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: let it go. |
| 20:43:06 | Onyx4 | NetNut404_work: type "sync" in another window if you can |
| 20:43:16 | NetNut404_work | k |
| 20:43:19 | Onyx4 | see if that clears it up |
| 20:43:38 | NetNut404_work | nope |
| 20:43:39 | kergoth | i had someone try that the other day, it didnt help him |
| 20:43:51 | NetNut404_work | still just sitting there asking about fstab |
| 20:43:59 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:44:01 | kergoth | so answer it |
| 20:44:09 | NetNut404_work | I tried |
| 20:44:12 | Onyx4 | press enter? |
| 20:44:14 | chouimat|away | later |
| 20:44:21 | NetNut404_work | yep.. did nothin |
| 20:44:25 | Onyx4 | you did it from cmdline? |
| 20:44:43 | NetNut404_work | yep |
| 20:44:52 | Onyx4 | sometimes I think it's actually hanging after unpacking all the files, just when it tries to touch the status file |
| 20:44:58 | Onyx4 | I had this happened to me |
| 20:45:10 | chouimat|away | kergoth: btw the ebooks.tar.bz2 is 130MB |
| 20:45:21 | kergoth | chouimat|away: .bz2 is 130mb? damnn |
| 20:45:27 | NetNut404_work | do I have to kill the process and re-run it? |
| 20:45:30 | Onyx4 | let it run for a while... |
| 20:45:42 | Onyx4 | if it doesn't un hang just ctrl+c, then ipkg update ; ipkg upgrade oz-base again |
| 20:45:56 | Onyx4 | I put the new version now |
| 20:46:08 | chouimat|away | kergoth: can send you the list later |
| 20:46:27 | kergoth | chouimat|away: k |
| 20:46:35 | NetNut404_work | it did make the change to my fstab.. I just looked at it |
| 20:46:49 | NetNut404_work | cause I changed my fstab |
| 20:46:54 | chouimat|away | kergoth: I have converted some to zTXT .pdb |
| 20:47:23 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat|away: what ebooks? |
| 20:47:50 | chouimat|away | TheMasterMind1: science fiction fantasy classic . got them on gnutella 1400 of them |
| 20:48:18 | TheMasterMind1 | ah i see |
| 20:48:25 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm a big fan of #bookwarez on dalnet |
| 20:48:41 | NetNut404_work | I setup this thing to fsck the /mnt/card at boot time I read on http://zaurus.wynn.com/tips/fsck.at.boot.html |
| 20:48:45 | chouimat|away | TheMasterMind1: did you got Moorcock on it? |
| 20:48:56 | Dessimat0r | Lesscock, actually |
| 20:49:12 | pavelm | tmm: Hi! |
| 20:49:15 | chouimat|away | Dessimat0r: :P Elric Saga |
| 20:49:16 | TheMasterMind1 | pavelm: sup |
| 20:49:19 | chouimat|away | later |
| 20:49:21 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:50:16 | pavelm | tmm: I made usbnet capable of handling zaurus... It was faster than I expected. |
| 20:50:21 | kergoth | hrm |
| 20:50:42 | kergoth | pavelm: going to clean it up and send off a patch to lkml? |
| 20:51:19 | pavelm | kergoth: Cleaning it up just now. |
| 20:51:30 | nasa | Wait a minuite... I use usbdnet right now, what is the difference with it and this one? |
| 20:51:39 | NetNut404_work | the upgrade never came back |
| 20:51:44 | NetNut404_work | still sitting there |
| 20:51:56 | Onyx4 | if it doesn't un hang just ctrl+c, then ipkg update ; ipkg upgrade oz-base again |
| 20:52:11 | Dessimat0r | Will a new zimage come tonight? ;) |
| 20:52:13 | kergoth | nasa: usbdnet is shit |
| 20:52:14 | nasa | or try 'sync' |
| 20:52:18 | kergoth | nasa: usbnet is small and clean and sane |
| 20:52:22 | kergoth | Onyx4: hey |
| 20:52:24 | kergoth | Onyx4: found the problem |
| 20:52:26 | kergoth | Onyx4: do me a favor |
| 20:52:28 | Onyx4 | really? |
| 20:52:36 | kergoth | Onyx4: and add /etc/init.d/ifupdown start; to ifupdown postinst :) |
| 20:52:39 | NetNut404_work | tried cntrl-c |
| 20:52:44 | NetNut404_work | never came back |
| 20:52:50 | NetNut404_work | will have to kill the process |
| 20:53:06 | pavelm | kergoth: Patch is on its way to l-k. |
| 20:53:23 | Onyx4 | kergoth: so we need to clean the ifstate? |
| 20:53:44 | nasa | kergoth (or anyone) what is so bad about usbdnet -- really, I don't know, so please don't flame me.... |
| 20:54:08 | Onyx4 | kergoth: what will happen if someone upgrades ifupdown live? |
| 20:54:15 | kergoth | er |
| 20:54:17 | pavelm | nasa: Does "eating disks" count as bad enough feature? |
| 20:54:18 | kergoth | mixed up his scripts |
| 20:54:23 | kergoth | Onyx4: i meant netbase, not ifupdown |
| 20:54:49 | kergoth | oh fuck |
| 20:54:53 | Onyx4 | so I add what to what? |
| 20:55:13 | kergoth | mutters |
| 20:55:32 | kergoth | Onyx4: well, ifupdown adds the interfaces entries |
| 20:55:37 | kergoth | Onyx4: netbase starts them on boot |
| 20:55:58 | kergoth | Onyx4: what if it Configures netbase before ifupdown |
| 20:56:00 | Onyx4 | ifupdown only provides the file , but it should be in place already |
| 20:56:10 | kergoth | in place from where? |
| 20:56:12 | Onyx4 | so there is no postinst |
| 20:56:21 | Onyx4 | it's in the package as /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:56:26 | Onyx4 | with all the entries in it |
| 20:56:26 | kergoth | yes, i know it is. |
| 20:56:30 | kergoth | what of it? |
| 20:56:39 | kergoth | how do you ensure they get brought up when you install the package? |
| 20:56:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:56:45 | nasa | "eating disk", hmmm.. Guess that would be bad... |
| 20:57:03 | Onyx4 | well the startup scripts will start them no? |
| 20:57:08 | kergoth | yes |
| 20:57:15 | kergoth | er |
| 20:57:17 | kergoth | hrm |
| 20:57:22 | kergoth | is tired, dont mind him |
| 20:57:49 | pavelm | nasa: It ate mine. |
| 20:57:54 | kergoth | chomp chomp |
| 20:58:08 | kergoth | Onyx4: well fuck if i know then. :) |
| 20:58:12 | nasa | Wow, guess I have been lucky... |
| 20:58:15 | Onyx4 | unless at first boot, something makes S40networking fails |
| 20:59:14 | kergoth | but why.. its not ifstate cause thats cleaned in ifupdown's startup script |
| 20:59:21 | kergoth | hrm |
| 20:59:39 | Onyx4 | right but ifupdown gets executed even at first boot |
| 20:59:43 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:59:45 | kergoth | thats what i'm saying |
| 20:59:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:59:58 | kergoth | theres nothing special about the first boot |
| 21:00:11 | NetNut404_work | locked up again.. it does not like that package |
| 21:00:44 | ljp_work | is a tiny step closer to horz scroll konsole |
| 21:01:29 | Onyx4 | NetNut404_work: maybe there's a file locked on the jffs2 filesystem |
| 21:01:37 | Onyx4 | I'd try rebooting and upgrading maybe? |
| 21:01:44 | ljp_work | guis all done, just need to figure out why the history lines arent srolling horizontally |
| 21:02:00 | NetNut404_work | I don't want to hose my Z by a bad oz-base being installed |
| 21:02:13 | ljp_work | lose? |
| 21:02:42 | kergoth | wtf |
| 21:02:53 | kergoth | Onyx4: i just full reset. still comes up fine. |
| 21:03:01 | kergoth | Onyx4: i dont get it |
| 21:03:02 | pavelm | Bye for now, I'll test the new kernel module. |
| 21:03:08 | kergoth | pavelm: ttyl |
| 21:03:16 | Onyx4 | kergoth: maybe it's at first first boot, before even full reset is done |
| 21:03:21 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:03:31 | Onyx4 | when you flash |
| 21:03:32 | Onyx4 | basically |
| 21:03:36 | kergoth | what about it/ |
| 21:03:42 | kergoth | obviously its only seen right after a falsh |
| 21:03:50 | kergoth | but the question is what makes that different from just full reseting |
| 21:03:51 | Onyx4 | but then the postinst does something that's permanent and even after full reset, whatever is missing is gone |
| 21:04:02 | kergoth | dood |
| 21:04:04 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 21:04:07 | kergoth | teh postinsts run on the first boot |
| 21:04:11 | kergoth | including the first boot after falhs |
| 21:04:11 | Onyx4 | I know... |
| 21:04:17 | kergoth | so thats completely nonsensical |
| 21:04:18 | kergoth | i dont get it |
| 21:05:30 | kergoth | i love jmhodges quit message |
| 21:05:31 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:06:15 | kergoth | Onyx4: its not the postinst doing something permanent |
| 21:06:22 | Onyx4 | oh wait |
| 21:06:22 | kergoth | Onyx4: its one of the startup scripts doing something permanent |
| 21:06:28 | Onyx4 | maybe we should ship a ifstate file? |
| 21:06:38 | Onyx4 | it's not in the rootfs at first boot |
| 21:06:38 | kergoth | Onyx4: something that starts *after* the networking script |
| 21:06:43 | kergoth | um |
| 21:06:48 | kergoth | ifupdown deletes ifstate on every boot |
| 21:06:51 | Onyx4 | does it needs to be there and empty? |
| 21:07:00 | Onyx4 | it doesn't delete it, it empties it |
| 21:07:13 | Onyx4 | but it the file is not found, it doesn't empty it |
| 21:07:22 | kergoth | ah gotcha |
| 21:07:24 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:07:26 | Onyx4 | so i wonder if that causes ifup -a to fail |
| 21:07:28 | kergoth | good call, its worth a shot |
| 21:07:42 | kergoth | just > one into IPKTMP in the ifupdown Makefile |
| 21:07:43 | Onyx4 | and maybe then later it gets created because of the wlan0 or something |
| 21:07:54 | Onyx4 | kergoth: yep I'll try that |
| 21:08:04 | kergoth | let me know when its pushed |
| 21:10:25 | Onyx4 | and I should make it as a conffile right? |
| 21:10:32 | Onyx4 | so that it doesn't get overwritten during install |
| 21:10:38 | NetNut404_work | doh! mount: Mounting /dev/mtdblock6 on /mnt/ram failed: Permission denied |
| 21:10:38 | NetNut404_work | pkg_run_script: `/usr/lib/ipkg/info/oz-base.postinst configure' failed: No such file or directory. |
| 21:10:38 | NetNut404_work | ERROR: oz-base.postinst returned 1 |
| 21:12:06 | Onyx4 | kergoth, that's your postinst that you addded |
| 21:12:08 | Onyx4 | to mount /mnt/ram |
| 21:12:12 | Onyx4 | at first boot |
| 21:12:27 | Onyx4 | I think on a full reset, it would be already mounted |
| 21:12:44 | Onyx4 | so we need to check if it's mounted again maybe? |
| 21:12:46 | umopapisdn | kergoth: What could be causing this while trying to build OZ ? "cp: cannot stat "/opt/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-beta2-uic": File or directory does not exist." It seems impossible to build qte-2.3.4 on my machine... :( I managed to build it once some week ago, but failed ever since. |
| 21:13:02 | Onyx4 | mmm that must be why oz-base upgrade hangs |
| 21:13:19 | Onyx4 | if you chose to overwrite /etc/fstab |
| 21:13:22 | Onyx4 | then entry gets re-added |
| 21:13:25 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:13:25 | Onyx4 | but fs is already mounted |
| 21:13:33 | kergoth | it doesnt add the entry if its already in fstab |
| 21:13:33 | Onyx4 | so mount gets run anyway |
| 21:13:37 | kergoth | sure the postinst will fail |
| 21:13:42 | kergoth | but postinst failure doesnt break the upgrade |
| 21:13:58 | Onyx4 | so NetNut404_work did it upgraded anyway then? |
| 21:14:28 | kergoth | fuck |
| 21:14:31 | kergoth | i just spilled my water |
| 21:14:34 | kergoth | all over my desk and over my Z |
| 21:14:39 | kergoth | wanders to clean up |
| 21:14:59 | Onyx4 | yeah i'm always afriad that it would happen to me |
| 21:15:13 | kergoth | Onyx4: dood, it only mounts if it didnt find the entry in fstab |
| 21:15:16 | ljp_work | hands kergoth hardwires mop |
| 21:15:51 | Onyx4 | if you upgrade and chose to overwrite fstab, the entry is gone |
| 21:16:00 | Onyx4 | then it gets re-added, but must not be remounted |
| 21:16:15 | Onyx4 | since it's a "live" upgrade |
| 21:16:19 | Onyx4 | not first boot |
| 21:16:30 | NetNut404_work | i dunno it errored at the end |
| 21:16:46 | Onyx4 | NetNut404_work: it should have worked anyway, try ipkg status oz-base |
| 21:16:48 | Onyx4 | check the version |
| 21:17:02 | Onyx4 | do a simple cat of /proc/mount maybe and check? |
| 21:17:29 | NetNut404_work | Filename: ./oz-base_unstable-14l_arm.ipk |
| 21:17:54 | Onyx4 | if you do ipkg upgrade oz-base, does it say it's already up to date? |
| 21:18:15 | Onyx4 | pushed new ifupdown |
| 21:18:23 | NetNut404_work | yep |
| 21:18:30 | Onyx4 | so youre' fine |
| 21:18:32 | NetNut404_work | so what do those error's mean? |
| 21:18:45 | Onyx4 | we just need to do a simply "if" statement to not remount it if mounted |
| 21:18:49 | kergoth | Onyx4: pushing the check now |
| 21:18:57 | NetNut404_work | oh ok |
| 21:19:02 | NetNut404_work | so no problem then? |
| 21:19:07 | Onyx4 | nope |
| 21:19:10 | Onyx4 | just disregard that error |
| 21:19:11 | NetNut404_work | cool |
| 21:19:21 | Onyx4 | try rebooting now, see if you login works |
| 21:19:25 | NetNut404_work | whipes the sweat off his forehead LOL |
| 21:19:54 | NetNut404_work | anything I can do to help twards tracking down this time/date bug? |
| 21:20:08 | kergoth | time/date bug still exists? |
| 21:20:11 | Onyx4 | I'm still seeing occasional hard hards at reboot right after doing the "umount all ; reboot..." |
| 21:20:13 | kergoth | i hadnt read that one reported in a while |
| 21:20:26 | Onyx4 | I haven't seen the bug on my newly flashed Z yet |
| 21:21:14 | kergoth | okay about to test the ifupdown fix |
| 21:21:25 | NetNut404_work | likes the fsck of his ext2 /mnt/card at boot |
| 21:21:45 | Onyx4 | yes this is a problem... |
| 21:21:51 | Onyx4 | need to find why /mnt/ram always gets checked |
| 21:22:00 | kergoth | it doesnt always get checked. |
| 21:22:01 | kergoth | fsck *runs* |
| 21:22:10 | kergoth | and immediately exits when it sees that its fine |
| 21:22:10 | NetNut404_work | hehehe I rebooted and the time is whacked again |
| 21:22:15 | Onyx4 | I mean it says "filesystem not cleanly unmounted" |
| 21:22:20 | kergoth | Onyx4: mine doesnt. |
| 21:22:29 | kergoth | Onyx4: something with our shutdown process i'd say, if thats the case |
| 21:22:32 | NetNut404_work | hmm used to pick jan 1 now it goes to jan 3 |
| 21:22:56 | Onyx4 | if you logout of opie and reboot from console, does it say "force unmount of filesystems fails" |
| 21:23:09 | Onyx4 | do that you see the shutdown messages |
| 21:23:52 | NetNut404_work | me? |
| 21:23:56 | Onyx4 | ok now I do see the time problem |
| 21:24:04 | Onyx4 | I was not seeing it before I did full reset |
| 21:24:22 | kergoth | really.. well lets sanity check atd's postinst then |
| 21:24:27 | Onyx4 | so I did a full reset, rebooted once, set the time, then reboot, time is back again to 2001 |
| 21:24:43 | NetNut404_work | I set my time about 100 times a day |
| 21:24:50 | kergoth | um |
| 21:24:51 | kergoth | dood |
| 21:24:52 | kergoth | kill atd |
| 21:25:01 | kergoth | run datetime, set the time |
| 21:25:06 | kergoth | run hwclock --systohc |
| 21:25:09 | kergoth | start atd back up |
| 21:25:13 | kergoth | then the time is set |
| 21:25:16 | kergoth | even if atd is misbehaving |
| 21:25:21 | Onyx4 | yeah but we should not have to do that right |
| 21:25:24 | kergoth | right |
| 21:25:25 | nasa | kergoth: since I am sitting here... Anything you need tested? |
| 21:25:29 | kergoth | atd is supposed to do this for us |
| 21:26:03 | Onyx4 | for some reason on my Z, once it starting losing time, I could never fix it... |
| 21:26:05 | kergoth | longs for the day when we have apmd working |
| 21:26:14 | Onyx4 | so something breaks somewhere and stays that way |
| 21:26:32 | Onyx4 | oh and now those files are re-appearing again |
| 21:26:39 | Onyx4 | /var/spool/at/1029776280.532 |
| 21:26:48 | Onyx4 | before I didn't have that when time was working |
| 21:27:12 | NetNut404_work | is date always utc ? |
| 21:27:23 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:27:24 | kergoth | no |
| 21:27:34 | Onyx4 | heh that's something else I'd like to try figuring out... date from command prompt is in utc |
| 21:27:34 | NetNut404_work | # date |
| 21:27:34 | NetNut404_work | Fri Oct 18 21:26:42 UTC 2002 |
| 21:27:39 | Onyx4 | same here |
| 21:27:45 | Onyx4 | oh wait... |
| 21:27:49 | kergoth | check your TZ variable |
| 21:27:51 | Onyx4 | I know what I did different now |
| 21:28:01 | kergoth | whats that |
| 21:28:03 | Onyx4 | I left new york timezone and time worked |
| 21:28:11 | Onyx4 | but this time I saw that I forgot to change it to LA |
| 21:28:12 | Onyx4 | so I did |
| 21:28:13 | NetNut404_work | _='TZ' |
| 21:28:17 | kergoth | i never choose new york |
| 21:28:19 | NetNut404_work | wth ist that? |
| 21:28:25 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: ignore it |
| 21:28:30 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: is ther a TZ=? |
| 21:28:31 | Onyx4 | i wonder if it's cause of the timezone thing |
| 21:28:47 | Onyx4 | TZ is not set |
| 21:28:53 | kergoth | actually, i think opie handles it differently |
| 21:28:57 | kergoth | than standard libc stuff |
| 21:29:04 | kergoth | which is why 'date' shows it differently than opie does |
| 21:29:12 | kergoth | that annoys me. it should use standard methods. |
| 21:29:22 | Onyx4 | where it the timezone info kept? |
| 21:29:30 | NetNut404_work | not from the set command |
| 21:29:53 | Onyx4 | some syslog messages are reported in UTC other in the right timezone like opie messages |
| 21:30:26 | NetNut404_work | kergoth there is no TZ from the set command |
| 21:30:55 | NetNut404_work | yet my date in the clock set program knows I am in PST |
| 21:31:45 | Onyx4 | maybe opie loads it from a conf file and we need a startup file to set the timezone from that file too |
| 21:32:12 | Onyx4 | would it maybe cause this problem is let's say atd is using one time zone, and opie another than it calls trigger? |
| 21:32:22 | Onyx4 | just mubling but i dont know how atd works hehe |
| 21:32:47 | mark | JasonNJ: i dont know if this is you or not, but it'd be ncie if myzaurus.com let you post reviews on software |
| 21:33:16 | NetNut404_work | in rh they have a timezone file |
| 21:34:48 | NetNut404_work | that /etc/localtime thing |
| 21:36:23 | NetNut404_work | where is the date command getting it's timezone? |
| 21:37:35 | kergoth | Onyx4: opie's launcher is supposed to be setting TZ |
| 21:37:39 | kergoth | Onyx4: i dont get why its unset |
| 21:38:20 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: are you checking from embeddedkonsole or ssh? |
| 21:39:01 | Onyx4 | kergoth: I remember my Z was always UTC for a long time, so that never worked |
| 21:39:19 | Onyx4 | it's not something new that broke, probably was never implemented to read the TZ at startup |
| 21:39:24 | NetNut404_work | Keroth I stoped atd the time was set fine cept it was in UTC from the date command I synced systo hc and started atd again |
| 21:39:45 | NetNut404_work | ssh |
| 21:40:52 | NetNut404_work | cool so date lists fine via the embedded terminal |
| 21:40:55 | nasa | kergoth: did you update the address app? Or is that only in the upcoming prerelease... |
| 21:41:02 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: good, i thought so. |
| 21:41:06 | kergoth | Onyx4: TZ gets set in the launcher. |
| 21:41:12 | kergoth | Onyx4: its fine. |
| 21:41:13 | NetNut404_work | but I still didn't set anything |
| 21:41:33 | NetNut404_work | just ran the hwclock --systohc, and then started atd back up |
| 21:42:32 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:42:35 | kergoth | still didnt set what? |
| 21:42:41 | NetNut404_work | the time |
| 21:42:47 | NetNut404_work | it was correct already |
| 21:42:55 | kergoth | yeah, i know |
| 21:43:02 | kergoth | so does date show correct timezone from embeddedkonsole? |
| 21:43:17 | NetNut404_work | yes |
| 21:43:20 | Onyx4 | brb |
| 21:43:22 | kergoth | okay whew |
| 21:43:24 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:43:31 | kergoth | at least opie is handling timezones sanely |
| 21:43:34 | Onyx4 | let me know if the new ifstate fixes the lo after flash |
| 21:43:40 | kergoth | Onyx4: will do |
| 21:43:47 | NetNut404_work | after I set it back from it moving to jan 3 |
| 21:43:57 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: ? |
| 21:44:24 | NetNut404_work | I "think" that the time jumps to jan3 after the machine suspends |
| 21:44:43 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: so test it |
| 21:45:13 | NetNut404_work | but it does not always do it |
| 21:45:30 | NetNut404_work | I just suspended, and the time was fine when I powered up |
| 21:45:36 | badalex | so ive been thinkin.... i might upgrade to open zaurus... i can flash back to the sharp rom if i want to right? |
| 21:45:48 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: of coruse it is. |
| 21:45:57 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: its fine becuase you just did the hwclock deal i told you to |
| 21:46:02 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: and now your hardware clock is set right |
| 21:46:03 | NetNut404_work | maybe it has to do with the timeout to powerdown verses a manual suspend |
| 21:46:07 | kergoth | badalex: yes, you can |
| 21:46:09 | nasa | badalex: rihgt |
| 21:46:13 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: no, its something with atd not doing what it should |
| 21:46:20 | badalex | hrm i might just do it then... |
| 21:46:22 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:46:34 | kergoth | badalex: wait, new prerelease in a few if this bug is fixed |
| 21:46:38 | NetNut404_work | do you have to kill atd to set your hwclock? |
| 21:46:47 | TheMasterMind1 | what bugs still linger? |
| 21:46:48 | badalex | should i just use the prereease or what should er... k kergoth |
| 21:46:54 | badalex | ill try after you tell me to.... lol |
| 21:47:42 | NetNut404_work | so you think the hwclock will stay acurate for a while then? |
| 21:48:58 | badalex | kergoth: what do i need to do to prepare to flash oz? anything? |
| 21:49:08 | kergoth | badalex: if you want jeode, hancom, or opera, yes |
| 21:49:13 | | CrozzWord 1.3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=190 |
| 21:49:14 | | Hancom_Creator 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=279 |
| 21:49:15 | | JeodCreator 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=521 |
| 21:49:16 | | 3 of 4 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=creator |
| 21:49:16 | kergoth | ibot search zsi for creator |
| 21:49:20 | badalex | oh yeah... need to do that |
| 21:49:26 | kergoth | create the ipks |
| 21:49:27 | badalex | kergoth: thanks :) |
| 21:49:28 | badalex | k |
| 21:49:28 | NetNut404_work | now if only my appintments alarms would actually go off for appointments |
| 21:49:49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth what needeth to be done |
| 21:50:05 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm so out of it |
| 21:50:22 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: they dont? |
| 21:50:25 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: my alarms work great |
| 21:50:54 | badalex | and most all of the software on zsi will work... ? |
| 21:51:05 | kergoth | badalex: yep |
| 21:51:07 | kergoth | badalex: works fine |
| 21:51:10 | badalex | k good :) |
| 21:51:18 | NetNut404_work | I had a popup once.... no noise either.. now I get nothing |
| 21:53:13 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: sup |
| 21:53:37 | NetNut404_work | just set a test schedule for 3:00 should alert at 2:55 (2 mins) |
| 21:54:05 | NetNut404_work | maybe running the hwclock --systohc will fix it |
| 21:54:30 | NetNut404_work | funnything thing was I tried to run that before and got an error about some file not existing |
| 21:54:44 | NetNut404_work | but I have upgraded some packages since then |
| 21:55:03 | NetNut404_work | nope.. nothing popped up |
| 21:55:11 | TheMasterMind1 | it hates you |
| 21:55:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i've decided i'm not going to use opie anymore :) |
| 21:55:51 | badalex | suddenly thinks twice about installing oz |
| 21:56:49 | NetNut404_work | scratches his head, and thinks everyone is loosing their mind |
| 21:57:19 | badalex | decides to try it despite TheMasterMind1 comment... |
| 21:58:09 | TheMasterMind1 | badalex: eh? opie is 500x better than qpe in sharp rom, but it still pisses me off |
| 21:58:14 | TheMasterMind1 | and i'm too lazy to do anything about it |
| 21:58:32 | TheMasterMind1 | despite having write access the opie cvs and being an oz devel. |
| 21:58:38 | scanline | is back (gone 02:07:46) |
| 21:58:41 | TheMasterMind1 | so i'll just use picogui and X instead :) |
| 21:58:49 | badalex | kergoth: anythin else... just installed those ipk.. and moved em the finished product to my computer... |
| 21:58:55 | TheMasterMind1 | by the time opie 1.0 comes out its going to be pretty solid though |
| 21:59:06 | badalex | TheMasterMind1: picogui? never heard of that... |
| 21:59:10 | badalex | TheMasterMind1: i was j/k with ya... |
| 21:59:17 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot tell baladex about picogui |
| 21:59:26 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: sup |
| 21:59:37 | scanline | hiya TheMasterMind1 |
| 21:59:39 | | oz is probably see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ or /join #openzaurus |
| 21:59:39 | badalex | ibot oz |
| 21:59:43 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: how goes it |
| 21:59:54 | kergoth | shit |
| 22:00:00 | scanline | I'm having fun with our little #picogui programming contest :) |
| 22:00:00 | TheMasterMind1 | uhoh |
| 22:00:02 | kergoth | i'm supposed to get back to my boss about how i did on my goals from last year |
| 22:00:04 | kergoth | but |
| 22:00:05 | kergoth | i lost them |
| 22:00:08 | kergoth | i have no idea wtf my goals were |
| 22:00:10 | TheMasterMind1 | oops |
| 22:00:10 | badalex | decides to read up on oz docs |
| 22:00:13 | kergoth | so i have no idea how i did against them |
| 22:00:16 | kergoth | oops is right |
| 22:00:19 | TheMasterMind1 | make up new ones? |
| 22:00:25 | kergoth | my boss has the originals |
| 22:00:26 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:00:29 | TheMasterMind1 | oops |
| 22:00:29 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:00:29 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 22:00:30 | kergoth | uh oh |
| 22:00:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:00:34 | TheMasterMind1 | i did... "good". |
| 22:00:40 | badalex | TheMasterMind1: lol, ibot never did tell me... |
| 22:00:40 | kergoth | "Sorry boss, i lost my goals. I'm sure I did well though!" |
| 22:00:45 | | picogui is an small and scalable embedded GUI. More info in the #picogui channel or at http://picogui.org. Read the FAQ or not pico gui or pico-gui or even cooler than sliced cheese |
| 22:00:45 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot picogui |
| 22:00:53 | | picogui faq is at http://picogui.org/wiki/view/Main/FAQ |
| 22:00:53 | scanline | ibot: picogui faq? |
| 22:00:55 | badalex | lookus up picogui on google |
| 22:01:08 | TheMasterMind1 | cheese is overrated |
| 22:01:12 | TheMasterMind1 | just like oop and xml |
| 22:01:17 | kergoth | bha |
| 22:01:18 | kergoth | bah |
| 22:01:21 | kergoth | likes cheese |
| 22:01:23 | kergoth | :0 |
| 22:01:31 | TheMasterMind1 | yea you also like oop and xml |
| 22:01:35 | mark | kergoth: what cheeses do you lot eat? |
| 22:01:35 | TheMasterMind1 | so that's not saying much :) |
| 22:02:08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: true that ;) |
| 22:02:13 | mark | why can't a linux user name start with a number? |
| 22:02:20 | TheMasterMind1 | mark: because. |
| 22:02:51 | mark | TheMasterMind1: its annoying :s, i'll have to call the account on my webserver something other than the domain name... |
| 22:03:04 | TheMasterMind1 | mark: i think you can force it |
| 22:03:12 | TheMasterMind1 | just go edit passwd and shadow |
| 22:03:20 | TheMasterMind1 | its just not encouraged |
| 22:03:31 | mark | TheMasterMind1: well yeh, but i presumed there was some reason that useradd refused :) |
| 22:04:12 | TheMasterMind1 | don't presume |
| 22:04:57 | mark | is it silly to set ~ as /var/www/domain.name? |
| 22:05:20 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 22:05:20 | AndyQ | ibot oz prerelease |
| 22:05:30 | AndyQ | pah! |
| 22:05:32 | TheMasterMind1 | mark: yes |
| 22:05:35 | TheMasterMind1 | mark: incredibly |
| 22:05:50 | TheMasterMind1 | unless that's not the webdocs root |
| 22:05:56 | TheMasterMind1 | if you have /var/www/domain/htdocs or something its fine |
| 22:06:11 | TheMasterMind1 | but having home dir as htdocs dir is retarded |
| 22:06:47 | mark | TheMasterMind1: I see... |
| 22:07:08 | mark | i've just been creating /var/www/domain1/ and putting files in tehre |
| 22:07:09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how do i use distcc with the buildroot |
| 22:07:15 | TheMasterMind1 | i got it all setup on 41 machines |
| 22:07:35 | badalex | kergoth: got an estimte for those bugs to be fixed? |
| 22:07:46 | TheMasterMind1 | badalex: what bugs |
| 22:07:47 | badalex | kergoth: hour... day.. week? |
| 22:07:54 | TheMasterMind1 | oz has bugs?! |
| 22:07:56 | TheMasterMind1 | since when? |
| 22:07:58 | mark | TheMasterMind1: just explain why its stupid to me will you? |
| 22:07:59 | Bovine | heh |
| 22:08:00 | kergoth | smartass |
| 22:08:03 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:08:04 | badalex | TheMasterMind1: <kergoth> badalex: wait, new prerelease in a few if this bug is fixed |
| 22:08:13 | kergoth | geh |
| 22:08:17 | kergoth | my Z isnt dry yet |
| 22:08:26 | kergoth | its buzzer was clicking at me when i turned it on |
| 22:08:27 | kergoth | thats a bad sign |
| 22:08:36 | kergoth | spilled his water on his desk and Z earlier |
| 22:08:37 | Bovine | hmm, I've been running Kismet on my Z for over two hours now and the battery still hasn't died. |
| 22:08:38 | badalex | kergoth: its not dry yet?... you not supposed to talk a shower with it |
| 22:08:39 | Bovine | is impressed |
| 22:09:11 | TheMasterMind1 | mark: because it is. all the stupid files get stuck in there (.bashrc .profile .bash_history etc), you have no security at all for any files you dont' want viewed by the web (.htpasswd password inclusion files for php, etc) and its just a stupid thing to do |
| 22:10:25 | mark | TheMasterMind1: right. yeh i can see that (although tehre will be no logons and no .htpasswds etc). so what should I do? i've got /var/www/domain/htdocs, which the virtualHost's docroot is set to. then i set ~ to /var/www/domain? |
| 22:10:30 | badalex | k well kergoth tell me when its ready k. ill beta test.... :) |
| 22:10:59 | TheMasterMind1 | mark: i guess. that's better than the other way |
| 22:11:08 | TheMasterMind1 | why not just use /home ? |
| 22:11:24 | mark | TheMasterMind1: no reason really, just thought it'd make life a bit easier |
| 22:11:36 | TheMasterMind1 | /home is a bit more organized etc |
| 22:11:46 | TheMasterMind1 | and if you must, you can always symlink |
| 22:11:56 | TheMasterMind1 | imho, itd be much cleaner using /home |
| 22:12:23 | mark | and then just set ftp to give the user /var/www/domain when they login via ftp. yeh i suppose so |
| 22:18:54 | badalex | what was that other thing called gpm? |
| 22:18:56 | | A mouse server for the console and xterm.. URL: ftp://animal.unipv.it/pub/gpm/gpm-1.18.0.tar.gz |
| 22:18:56 | badalex | ibot gpm |
| 22:19:02 | TheMasterMind1 | huh? |
| 22:19:39 | badalex | TheMasterMind1: that other thingo.... um.. maybe not gpm... but somethin close to it... |
| 22:20:20 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:20:26 | nasa | bbl |
| 22:21:16 | badalex | gpe thats it... |
| 22:22:35 | badalex | http://gpe.handhelds.org/ ever heard of it..? |
| 22:22:36 | TheMasterMind1 | ah gpe |
| 22:22:36 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 22:22:47 | badalex | lol... it any good? |
| 22:22:54 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno |
| 22:23:11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth what can i work on? |
| 22:23:15 | badalex | hrm cool login screen... |
| 22:23:28 | TheMasterMind1 | gpe? |
| 22:23:34 | TheMasterMind1 | opie has a decent login screen.. |
| 22:23:35 | badalex | yeah |
| 22:23:38 | badalex | kool! |
| 22:27:22 | | badalex: what? |
| 22:27:22 | badalex | ibot x11 |
| 22:27:29 | | badalex: huh? |
| 22:27:29 | badalex | ibot x11zaurus |
| 22:27:41 | badalex | nm |
| 22:29:38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not much atm.. hmmmm |
| 22:30:04 | TheMasterMind1 | so why aren't we releasing! |
| 22:31:32 | pavelm | kergoth: Hmm, seems my modified usbnet only works with debugging on :-( |
| 22:31:42 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 22:31:42 | pavelm | ibot oz prerelease |
| 22:33:00 | Dessimat0r | heh, we need some hax0r demo text on the login screen ;) |
| 22:33:08 | Dessimat0r | with OpenZaurus flying about etc |
| 22:36:18 | victorvdl | Yoicks! downloading the oz prerelease over a 26.4 kb/s connection is making the research I am (supposed to be) doing wery wery slow... |
| 22:37:38 | pavelm | victor: Same here :-(. |
| 22:38:13 | pavelm | What packages do I need for mp3 playback? |
| 22:38:14 | victorvdl | pavelm: must get satelite, must get satelite. Except that it costs to much. |
| 22:38:23 | pavelm | Looks to me I miss some libraries... |
| 22:38:32 | pavelm | victor: Or download at night .. :-) |
| 22:38:48 | victorvdl | pavelm: Yea. You using opie-mediaplayer2? |
| 22:39:50 | victorvdl | If so, you need opie-mediaplayer-codecs. |
| 22:40:12 | badalex | hrm must flash oz.... must flash oz... |
| 22:40:13 | pavelm | victor: I guess I found that. It had mpeg3, not mp3 in the name. |
| 22:40:20 | pavelm | Bye bye, and good night. |
| 22:40:35 | pavelm | badalex: Preferably on battery=low. |
| 22:40:43 | pavelm | badalex: Its way more interesting that way ;-). |
| 22:40:49 | victorvdl | pavelm: cya. |
| 22:40:53 | badalex | um... lol |
| 22:40:57 | badalex | pavelm: nah... ill keep it pluged in |
| 22:40:59 | badalex | maybe |
| 22:41:03 | victorvdl | pavelm: Righhhhhhht... |
| 22:41:04 | badalex | later pavelm |
| 22:41:20 | pavelm | Where do I get dictionaries for wordgame? |
| 22:42:07 | pavelm | bye |
| 22:42:17 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 22:42:17 | badalex | ibot oz prerelease |
| 22:42:45 | kergoth | ibot: message for pavelm: ipkg install opie-i18n-en (or whichever language whose dictionary you want) |
| 22:42:58 | AndyQ | kergoth: Your wish is my command :) (commited) |
| 22:43:11 | kergoth | AndyQ: wooot. thanks :) |
| 22:43:38 | AndyQ | must remember never to code after beers - takes waaaay to long |
| 22:43:41 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:43:44 | kergoth | i know that feeling |
| 22:43:54 | AndyQ | heh |
| 22:44:01 | AndyQ | mind feels like treacle |
| 22:44:29 | badalex | ponders installing oz then reflashin when kergoth fixes that bug... |
| 22:44:38 | AndyQ | kergoth: any idea when next prerelease ready? |
| 22:44:53 | kergoth | AndyQ: testing to confirm a bug fix atm. if its fixed, i'll upload in a couple minutes |
| 22:45:00 | badalex | er... nm |
| 22:45:10 | badalex | will be patient |
| 22:45:23 | AndyQ | cool - not sure why but have a strong desire to flash |
| 22:45:38 | badalex | me nether... |
| 22:45:47 | kergoth | woot |
| 22:45:52 | badalex | its like i just wokeup today and was like hrm... i think ill try oz today |
| 22:46:18 | AndyQ | yeah - sometimes that feeling just hits and well - just do it |
| 22:46:36 | badalex | lol, i know what ya mean |
| 22:46:44 | kergoth | i rmeember waking up thinking god embedix sucks, we need to do something about this. and oz was born. :p |
| 22:46:56 | prpplague | ha |
| 22:46:58 | badalex | lol |
| 22:47:06 | AndyQ | heh - bet you wish you'd never had THAT thought |
| 22:47:11 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 22:47:23 | kergoth | i just wanted to hack something useful for myself, and now its taking up a lot of time |
| 22:47:34 | prpplague | kergoth: i thought you were suppose to say "go my life sucks, i need to do something about this!" |
| 22:47:39 | AndyQ | I got up this morning and decided to upgrade KDE to latest beta - BIG MISTAKE |
| 22:47:39 | kergoth | whats worse is, I end up stuck doing bulid system issues, scripting issues, distro stuff, instead of coding. |
| 22:47:51 | kergoth | so now i never have time to code |
| 22:48:01 | kergoth | prpplague: haha, i never did do what i was supposed to do in life |
| 22:48:05 | kergoth | prpplague: but who does? :) |
| 22:48:08 | prpplague | kergoth: admin ho! |
| 22:48:27 | prpplague | kergoth: no one |
| 22:48:35 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:48:35 | prpplague | heads to the beer store |
| 22:48:40 | kergoth | hah, good idea |
| 22:48:47 | kergoth | bout time for me to get the fuck out of here too |
| 22:48:53 | kergoth | but i'll upload this initrd.bin first |
| 22:48:54 | AndyQ | been there (well to the pub anyway) |
| 22:49:10 | ljp- | upload?! |
| 22:49:47 | kergoth | YES, upload |
| 22:49:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:49:54 | kergoth | ljp-: btw, dug more into timezone fun |
| 22:50:09 | ljp- | and..? |
| 22:50:57 | kergoth | tzname will work to obtain the current tz, i believe |
| 22:50:58 | kergoth | but |
| 22:51:05 | kergoth | in datetime |
| 22:51:08 | kergoth | when you set Tz |
| 22:51:16 | kergoth | we should probably be updating the /etc/localtime link |
| 22:51:25 | kergoth | rather than just storing TZ in the launcher's config file |
| 22:51:39 | ljp- | heh.. ya think?! |
| 22:51:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:51:46 | ljp- | :D |
| 22:52:14 | ljp- | well the taskbar closk now brings up network time |
| 22:52:18 | ljp- | clock |
| 22:52:27 | kergoth | "ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/" . tzname . " /etc/localtime" |
| 22:52:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:53:37 | ljp- | man. .I gotta get some grub |
| 22:54:08 | badalex | so kergoth it fixed yet? |
| 22:54:15 | kergoth | ::symlink(QString("ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/") . tzname[0],"/etc/localtime"); |
| 22:54:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:54:26 | kergoth | badalex: my Z turns on again |
| 22:54:31 | kergoth | badalex: and doesnt make strange noises anymore |
| 22:54:37 | kergoth | badalex: which is good. so i'm testing now |
| 22:54:43 | badalex | woot! |
| 22:55:26 | AndyQ | kergoth - did you find a new stylus? |
| 22:56:18 | kergoth | AndyQ: no.. the tip of mine broke off, so i'm using the top of it instead |
| 22:56:24 | kergoth | AndyQ: but the top is so wide i keep missing everything |
| 22:56:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:56:39 | AndyQ | :) I live in dread of mine breaking - gonna be a bugger to get one over here |
| 22:56:47 | AndyQ | may have to revert to a plam one (urrgh) |
| 22:56:48 | kergoth | where are you at again? |
| 22:56:54 | AndyQ | England |
| 22:57:08 | kergoth | ah thats right |
| 22:57:32 | Mickey|away | is leaving for a while... |
| 22:57:33 | badalex | so if i select zImage-40-24 that gives me 40 meg of swap and 24 meg of storage space? |
| 22:58:51 | kergoth | badalex: s/swap/ram/ |
| 22:59:09 | badalex | so i was right? |
| 22:59:09 | kergoth | fuck me |
| 22:59:11 | kergoth | fuck fuck fuck fuck |
| 22:59:15 | kergoth | fuck fuck fuck fuck |
| 22:59:16 | badalex | thats not good |
| 22:59:17 | kergoth | fuck fuck fuck |
| 22:59:18 | kergoth | fuck fuck |
| 22:59:19 | kergoth | fuck |
| 22:59:21 | kergoth | !! |
| 22:59:22 | AndyQ | going well then |
| 22:59:24 | badl | why? |
| 22:59:28 | kergoth | my Z is fucked up |
| 22:59:34 | kergoth | its hitting enter continuously |
| 22:59:38 | badl | the water |
| 22:59:38 | badalex | kergoth: what did you do wrong? |
| 22:59:42 | kergoth | i'll have to open it up and make sure its dry |
| 22:59:49 | kergoth | spilled earlier remember |
| 22:59:54 | AndyQ | what did you do to it? drop it down the loo? |
| 22:59:55 | kergoth | its probably still got shorts |
| 22:59:57 | kergoth | nah |
| 23:00:01 | kergoth | spilled a cup of water on my desk |
| 23:00:02 | badl | yes |
| 23:00:05 | kergoth | adn the Z was sitting there |
| 23:00:06 | AndyQ | not good |
| 23:00:09 | kergoth | but |
| 23:00:11 | kergoth | on the plus side |
| 23:00:14 | kergoth | i have the service manual |
| 23:00:21 | AndyQ | and its clean(er) |
| 23:00:24 | kergoth | flips it open to the page on Z disassembly |
| 23:00:29 | badalex | hrm anyone have the crazy idea of installing a stronger ir port? |
| 23:00:54 | Dessimat0r | lol... I kinda once spilled coffee into a keyboard |
| 23:01:05 | Dessimat0r | it was fucked up forever |
| 23:01:10 | Dessimat0r | at least till i returned it to argos |
| 23:01:11 | Dessimat0r | LOL |
| 23:01:14 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: oh you're real encouraging |
| 23:01:18 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: thanks a bunch |
| 23:01:20 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:01:23 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:01:24 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:01:30 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:01:32 | AndyQ | I spilled coffee onto a works sun keyboard - took it to the toilet and washed it out - 3 days later it was fine |
| 23:01:40 | kergoth | unplugs his Z, pulls the battery |
| 23:01:40 | AndyQ | I was sooooooo releaved |
| 23:01:43 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:01:54 | Dessimat0r | mine was a logitech keyboard |
| 23:02:05 | Dessimat0r | internet ;) |
| 23:02:16 | Dessimat0r | i got it tempoeraily until my IBM keyboard arrived |
| 23:02:25 | Dessimat0r | temporarily |
| 23:02:29 | AndyQ | yeah I was amazed the thing worked after |
| 23:02:37 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:02:46 | AndyQ | coffee in the wrong place is the devils spawn! |
| 23:03:02 | Dessimat0r | I broke 3 CD drives using a custom made 'X' power splitter |
| 23:03:08 | Dessimat0r | from old PC fansa |
| 23:03:27 | Dessimat0r | lets just say: i had to open the windows. |
| 23:03:36 | AndyQ | heh |
| 23:04:05 | AndyQ | tis amazing how much smoke small things can make |
| 23:06:43 | Dessimat0r | yeah lol |
| 23:06:59 | kergoth | fuck man |
| 23:07:02 | kergoth | i have to tell my boss |
| 23:07:08 | kergoth | that i have no idea if i completed my goals for this year |
| 23:07:12 | kergoth | because i lost my goals |
| 23:07:18 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:07:22 | kergoth | so i need him to send them to me |
| 23:07:24 | kergoth | so i can check |
| 23:07:25 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:07:27 | AndyQ | make the up - I do |
| 23:07:33 | AndyQ | s/the/them |
| 23:07:38 | kergoth | he has a copy of the 2002 goals |
| 23:07:40 | kergoth | i sent them to him last year |
| 23:07:43 | kergoth | when it started |
| 23:07:46 | AndyQ | but can he find them? |
| 23:07:49 | kergoth | now its over, and its review time |
| 23:07:49 | Dessimat0r | make sure that you have already attained them |
| 23:07:50 | kergoth | good question |
| 23:07:53 | Dessimat0r | it makes the job easier for you |
| 23:07:57 | kergoth | from where? i dont know where to find them |
| 23:07:57 | AndyQ | my boss wouldn't have a clue |
| 23:07:58 | kergoth | he has them |
| 23:08:00 | kergoth | somewhere |
| 23:08:01 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:08:07 | kergoth | my boss is a spineless coward |
| 23:08:12 | kergoth | but he's a brownnoser |
| 23:08:15 | kergoth | he wont have lost them |
| 23:08:23 | AndyQ | bummer! |
| 23:08:43 | badalex | kergoth: he brownnoses to you? |
| 23:08:45 | kergoth | "Sorry steve, just resend me the goals and i'll tell you if i completed them" |
| 23:09:00 | kergoth | badalex: actually, i've basically told him how to do his job |
| 23:09:05 | kergoth | badalex: and he meekly complied |
| 23:09:08 | kergoth | badalex: funny shit, that |
| 23:09:10 | badalex | lol |
| 23:09:33 | Dessimat0r | lol, i must dl Ali G : In da house |
| 23:09:59 | AndyQ | why? I hate him - with avengence! |
| 23:10:15 | badalex | kergoth: get that z workin! |
| 23:10:17 | badalex | lol |
| 23:10:44 | Dessimat0r | if you press the enter key enough, it will prbably force the liquid out of the contacts |
| 23:11:01 | badalex | is away: brb |
| 23:11:07 | kergoth | i'm disassembling my Z when i get home |
| 23:11:10 | kergoth | i'm taking off in a minute here |
| 23:11:15 | kergoth | but i'm going to upload this initrd.bin anyway |
| 23:11:20 | kergoth | its better than the last one regardless |
| 23:11:20 | Dessimat0r | ooh :D |
| 23:11:25 | badalex | kergoth: k |
| 23:11:25 | Dessimat0r | yeah |
| 23:11:32 | badalex | kergoth: how long it take you to get home? |
| 23:11:35 | Dessimat0r | l8r |
| 23:12:17 | Dessimat0r | argh, why must I say l8r? I always tell myself to say 'later' |
| 23:12:29 | AndyQ | coz its l33t |
| 23:12:32 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 23:12:32 | AndyQ | :) |
| 23:12:34 | Dessimat0r | isn't |
| 23:12:38 | Dessimat0r | n00bish ;) |
| 23:13:32 | nasa | so, checking up -- how is the next prerelease coming? |
| 23:14:36 | kergoth | well other than spilling water on my Z |
| 23:14:37 | kergoth | not bad |
| 23:15:20 | nasa | so when do we get to try it out? |
| 23:15:44 | badalex | yeah yeah when kergoth? |
| 23:16:07 | kergoth | building the image now |
| 23:19:01 | badalex | is back (gone 00:08:00) |
| 23:22:39 | noda | Moo! |
| 23:22:45 | AndyQ | baaa |
| 23:22:54 | kergoth | growls |
| 23:23:12 | roge99 | hey kergoth how goes it |
| 23:23:30 | kergoth | hey roge99 |
| 23:23:32 | kergoth | not bad |
| 23:23:36 | kergoth | still at work |
| 23:23:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:23:47 | roge99 | so hows the latest prerelease |
| 23:23:52 | noda | kergoth: rofl, bill came back to me and asked if I'd like to take over the FAQ in some way :P |
| 23:25:55 | kergoth | noda: haha |
| 23:26:12 | kergoth | i cant say i'm surprised, he seems busy on other things nowadays |
| 23:26:13 | kergoth | night Twiun[Zzzzz] |
| 23:26:27 | noda | This is hilarious, I just started this as some little thing that'd take maybe 5-10 hours to finish :P |
| 23:26:37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:26:42 | kergoth | look at what you've done.. |
| 23:26:48 | kergoth | see |
| 23:26:52 | kergoth | that shit happens to me all the time |
| 23:26:53 | AndyQ | don't you just hate it when that happens |
| 23:26:58 | kergoth | somehow i end up with all these responsibilities |
| 23:27:02 | kergoth | and i dont know wtf happened |
| 23:27:05 | hardwire | your special |
| 23:27:05 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 23:27:08 | hardwire | you're |
| 23:27:09 | hardwire | YOU ARE |
| 23:27:09 | kergoth | hardwire: bah |
| 23:27:17 | hardwire | this weeks special! |
| 23:27:23 | kergoth | this week blew |
| 23:27:25 | kergoth | last week blew |
| 23:27:28 | kergoth | and the week before blew |
| 23:27:31 | hardwire | hands kergoth a k cider |
| 23:27:38 | kergoth | mm cider |
| 23:27:43 | hardwire | go to the store |
| 23:27:45 | hardwire | buy some k cider |
| 23:27:50 | hardwire | good stuffins |
| 23:27:59 | kergoth | k=? |
| 23:28:03 | hardwire | I am not in the U.K .. WE HAVE TO IMPORT GOOD CIDER! |
| 23:28:05 | kergoth | i need to drop by the liquor store anyway |
| 23:28:05 | hardwire | www.kcider.com |
| 23:28:11 | noda | Well, hell, I've probably gotta work out a more intricate database now, and proper administrative privileges... |
| 23:28:13 | kergoth | im out of vodka |
| 23:28:14 | kergoth | and sour mix |
| 23:28:19 | noda | What did I do to deserve this ;) |
| 23:28:35 | hardwire | anybody got good linkage on the pam attack? |
| 23:29:26 | noda | Categories would be easy though. I could just make 'parent' categories. |
| 23:29:58 | hardwire | cider + guinness = goood |
| 23:32:53 | AndyQ | hardwire: cider & guiness - BAD! |
| 23:33:08 | noda | kergoth: So, what do you think - should I take over the FAQ? |
| 23:33:49 | hardwire | AndyQ ? |
| 23:33:50 | noda | If I did, I'd have to look into hosting, too. I dunno where the plan was for hosting *this* site, but it probably doesn't apply to the Zaurus FAQ in general, does it? |
| 23:34:16 | AndyQ | hardwire - i'm just hoping you don't mix 'em! |
| 23:34:31 | hardwire | AndyQ its called a rattlesnake |
| 23:34:37 | hardwire | its like apple bread :) |
| 23:34:55 | AndyQ | urrgh! |
| 23:35:08 | AndyQ | doesn't even want to think about it |
| 23:37:14 | ljp- | its probably as chewy as apple bread toast |
| 23:41:55 | badalex | kergoth: any news? |
| 23:42:36 | Dessimat0r | the image is building |
| 23:42:44 | Dessimat0r | i think |
| 23:42:48 | badalex | that take a while? |
| 23:43:08 | Dessimat0r | dunno |
| 23:43:18 | ljp- | for 6 kernel compiles? |
| 23:49:50 | scanline | is away: 1 hour nap |
| 23:50:41 | Dessimat0r | Writing an encrpytion algorithm for my A2 project program now ;) |
| 23:53:27 | Dessimat0r | 'Overlord Madoka' ;) |