| 00:00:49 | MarkMorg | could someone pls remind me of the name of the application to enable to zaurus to piggyback onto a PCs internet connection |
| 00:01:54 | MarkMorg | guys - anyone ? |
| 00:02:29 | TheMasterMind1 | DocWhat: eh? |
| 00:02:44 | DocWhat | Sorry, quoting bits from the Apollo 13 mission to you. |
| 00:02:45 | DocWhat | :-) |
| 00:02:54 | DocWhat | We do have a problem with fbvncserver.... |
| 00:02:55 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorg: go to settings, aqpkg |
| 00:03:04 | TheMasterMind1 | or look in the prerelease folder under feed/ |
| 00:03:26 | MarkMorg | thanks |
| 00:04:29 | DocWhat | The problem is this. Upon starting the tssimd daemon (which intercepts and passes on touch screen events) it *moves* the /dev/ts to /dev/ts.backup. Then it creates a pipe called /dev/ts |
| 00:05:35 | DocWhat | The problem is that qpe already has a filehandle for the symlink /dev/ts. Since we don't destroy the file, the filehandle is valid and qpe continues to use it. This means that vnc doesn't work, and the touchscreen usage is sporatic (eventually giving up, because tssimd is reading all the events from /dev/sharp_ts). |
| 00:06:11 | DocWhat | So, I think the solution is to *delete* /dev/ts and recreate the symlink later. |
| 00:06:42 | DocWhat | This is obviously unfriendly to *anything* else than might set the /dev/ts to something different, which is why this behaviour was changed by kergoth. |
| 00:06:58 | DocWhat | That is, we would have to restore it's original behaviour. |
| 00:07:04 | DocWhat | Thoughts? |
| 00:07:23 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 00:07:29 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't see any good solutions |
| 00:07:56 | DocWhat | Me neither. :-( This is less a problem if the package is installed via aqpkg, since it *restarts* qpe... |
| 00:08:20 | DocWhat | but it is still a problem if it is started or stopped at other times, or installed via CLI. |
| 00:08:52 | DocWhat | I can make the code super careful, double checking that /dev/sharp_ts is there and that /dev/ts is a symlink.... |
| 00:09:06 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 00:09:08 | TheMasterMind1 | that might work |
| 00:09:29 | DocWhat | (and that it is a pipe on stop, of course). But it's not perfect, and if we ever change the way /dev/ts works, we *must* change fbvnc to match. |
| 00:09:53 | DocWhat | Alright then, I'll write it up and send you the tarball shortly. You got my previous tarbal? |
| 00:10:09 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 00:10:23 | TheMasterMind1 | comment the files you change with this stuff |
| 00:10:28 | TheMasterMind1 | so we know whats going on later |
| 00:10:36 | DocWhat | BTW: I added gobs of error checking, so this should be an improvement. Though I notice that IPKG doesn't back out an install if the postinst fails. :-( |
| 00:11:06 | DocWhat | This is one of the reasons fbvnc would nuke my touch screen on install all the time. |
| 00:11:25 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:11:30 | TheMasterMind1 | i noticed that |
| 00:17:03 | DocWhat | I also fixed permissions. |
| 00:19:34 | TheMasterMind1 | col |
| 00:19:35 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 00:20:07 | DocWhat | Alrighty, I just need to test this with install, remove and aqpkg. BTW: Where do I put a package to have it show up in "local IPKG"? |
| 00:20:44 | noda | Moo! |
| 00:21:46 | DocWhat | Is it possible to restart opie/qpe from the command line? |
| 00:22:20 | noda | Sure. |
| 00:22:27 | noda | killall -HUP qpe |
| 00:22:37 | noda | (I think :P) |
| 00:22:55 | DocWhat | you ... think.... hmmm....before I torture all our users, maybe I better check. :-) |
| 00:23:02 | noda | lol |
| 00:23:12 | noda | Anyway, if it dies you can easily bring it back up by running "qpe" :) |
| 00:23:30 | DaJoker | use the start/stop script |
| 00:23:41 | DaJoker | /etc/init.d/opie stop && /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 00:23:58 | DocWhat | Hmm...is that safe to do mid stream? |
| 00:24:07 | DaJoker | midstream of what? |
| 00:24:15 | DocWhat | Well, while it's running. |
| 00:24:24 | noda | Killing opie won't wreck your entire ROM... |
| 00:24:41 | DocWhat | I mean, if someone is using the terminal to install something via CLI and opie is killed and restarted.... |
| 00:24:43 | DaJoker | opie is just a gui.. it's like restarting X |
| 00:25:57 | noda | DocWhat: Just to make sure: You do know there's a "shutdown" app, right? |
| 00:26:22 | DocWhat | Yeah. I do. The problem is that opie/qpe must be told to re-connect to /dev/ts. |
| 00:26:30 | noda | DocWhat: And if you're making your own package, you shouldn't make it restart opie as part of the script... |
| 00:26:30 | DocWhat | It'd be cool if all it needed was a -HUP |
| 00:26:40 | DocWhat | I kinda thought that. :-D |
| 00:27:01 | noda | It'd probably work, but I as a user would want to kill you :) |
| 00:27:26 | DocWhat | Hehehehe....well, you'll have to take a number, if I did that. |
| 00:27:36 | noda | :) |
| 00:30:11 | DocWhat | Rats... this isn't working as well as I'd like. Anyone have a copy of lsof for OZ? |
| 00:30:51 | DocWhat | Oh-ho! |
| 00:33:24 | DocWhat | BTW: -HUP just makes qpe act weird, but doesn't cause it to re-open file handles. |
| 00:33:34 | DocWhat | (It complains about being out of memory.) |
| 00:39:48 | DocWhat | Is there a way to run a command on qpe restart? |
| 00:40:35 | DocWhat | It would have be before the new qpe process actually opens it's file descriptors. |
| 00:42:45 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure |
| 00:42:49 | TheMasterMind1 | DocWhat: ask in #opie |
| 00:43:01 | Ghent19 | ok, looking to put openzaurus on now. couple quick questions. Got a linksys WCF12 card, will that work? Also, have a 128meg pny cf to install from and a PNY 128meg SD card for all my data. |
| 00:43:19 | TheMasterMind1 | yea that'll work |
| 00:43:47 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Heya :) |
| 00:44:19 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: yo |
| 00:44:38 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Just made a sweet function that'll print a table from a DB_result :) |
| 00:44:43 | noda | Time to test it :) |
| 00:46:16 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 00:57:46 | noda | Whee! :) |
| 00:57:52 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: show me |
| 00:58:08 | noda | TheMasterMind1: http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/oz/admin/faq.php |
| 00:58:22 | noda | TheMasterMind1: The first table is auto-generated from three lines of code. Really big lines, but only 3 :P |
| 00:58:28 | noda | TheMasterMind1: include/db.inc has the function |
| 00:58:42 | noda | Messy, I'll clean it up as I implement it in other places and find out which nuances are most important. |
| 01:01:25 | noda | See? Just made a second table :) |
| 01:01:44 | noda | What other things should show up on faq.php? It should be a list of "problem FAQs". |
| 01:05:19 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: heh |
| 01:05:40 | Ghent19 | ok, waht kernel do you reccomend for oz 2.9.5.5 I have a 128 meg sd card, so should i grab the zimage64? also, is it ok to grab the kernel under 2.9.4 since sourceforge doesnt have on listed with latest initd and stuff |
| 01:05:50 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Notice the indenting too :) |
| 01:06:13 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:06:18 | TheMasterMind1 | they're not links |
| 01:06:19 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:06:30 | noda | What aren't? |
| 01:06:32 | TheMasterMind1 | thats what sucks about having a generic table making thing like that |
| 01:06:35 | TheMasterMind1 | the questions aren't links |
| 01:06:47 | noda | The IDs are. |
| 01:06:53 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Links are easy to make. |
| 01:07:08 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I just loathe all the blue, that's why I didn't make them links :P |
| 01:07:15 | TheMasterMind1 | the ids are hard to click on |
| 01:07:23 | noda | Okay, will make the questions links then. |
| 01:07:26 | TheMasterMind1 | the blue looks good :) |
| 01:07:33 | noda | In moderation :) |
| 01:08:21 | noda | Done |
| 01:08:41 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Note the use of format_plain_text() in the "submitter" field :) |
| 01:08:55 | TheMasterMind1 | also, the text "id" in the th isn't rightaligned |
| 01:09:06 | noda | Okay, will have to fix that. |
| 01:09:25 | noda | SHIT! Just found a XSS vulnerability. |
| 01:10:02 | noda | I've allowed questions to be html-formatted. And they're printed out there. That's the one place where admins can't verify them since they're already printed. |
| 01:10:02 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: something's broken |
| 01:10:08 | noda | TheMasterMind1: What's that? |
| 01:10:23 | TheMasterMind1 | go submit a faq |
| 01:10:32 | TheMasterMind1 | Notice: Undefined index: categories in /mnt/hdb1/mine/oz_website/admin/faq_edit.php on line 62 |
| 01:10:40 | TheMasterMind1 | missing quotes or something |
| 01:10:42 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Okay, will fix |
| 01:10:43 | TheMasterMind1 | err no |
| 01:10:47 | TheMasterMind1 | yea its just undefinied |
| 01:10:54 | noda | TheMasterMind1: No, just no categories selected so it's undefined. Thought I checked that :) |
| 01:11:02 | TheMasterMind1 | ah you're right, its displaying unchecked html |
| 01:11:05 | TheMasterMind1 | not a good thing |
| 01:11:18 | TheMasterMind1 | huh |
| 01:11:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm confused |
| 01:11:34 | TheMasterMind1 | when you preview, that's showing unchecked html too |
| 01:11:43 | noda | TheMasterMind1: No it's not. You can't preview without checking it first. |
| 01:11:49 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure what XSS vunerability is |
| 01:12:20 | noda | TheMasterMind1: It's a stupid name. It's called cross-site scripting because its first showing was somebody putting an <img> tag for a giant purple elephant from another site. |
| 01:12:26 | noda | In one of those "guestbook" thingies. |
| 01:12:40 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 01:12:49 | TheMasterMind1 | bad html basically |
| 01:12:51 | noda | Nowadays it's much more focused on javascript and stuff. If you trust a site and it's got a bug, somebody can take advantage of that to seriously screw you over :) |
| 01:12:54 | TheMasterMind1 | i see what you're saying |
| 01:13:43 | noda | For example, let's say MS has a cross-site scripting bug and somebody exploits it. He could put up some activeX control that requests to be installed when you go there. You being the numbskull MS follower you are, you click on "Accept". You've just installed a virus. |
| 01:14:11 | noda | As for this $_POST["categories"], though, I'm stumped :P. |
| 01:14:30 | noda | Ah, no I'm not |
| 01:15:23 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Try again. |
| 01:15:24 | TheMasterMind1 | if (empty($_POST["categories"])) { echo "you suck"; } |
| 01:15:43 | TheMasterMind1 | yea works |
| 01:15:46 | noda | Great :) |
| 01:19:13 | Ghent19 | damn, my fingers are to big, how the hell do you hold down the c d and hit full reset on back at same time? =P |
| 01:19:53 | noda | Ghent19: That's the fun part :) |
| 01:20:20 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 01:20:21 | noda | Ghent19: You have to devise a contraption that can hold the C and D so you can use your other hand to hit the reset button. Or grow a thumbnail long enough to cover them :) |
| 01:20:26 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 01:20:35 | noda | isn't cutting his left thumbnail until OZ3 comes out :) |
| 01:21:09 | Ghent19 | umm, i just did it, the lights came on for like 5 secs and turned off, is that bad? |
| 01:21:31 | TheMasterMind1 | Ghent19: you're missing initrd.bin |
| 01:21:33 | TheMasterMind1 | or its corrupt |
| 01:21:35 | TheMasterMind1 | or something |
| 01:21:41 | noda | Ghent19: Don't worry, everything's fine. |
| 01:21:46 | noda | Ghent19: But it's not flashing. |
| 01:21:49 | TheMasterMind1 | just fix and reflash |
| 01:21:50 | noda | It doesn't like you. |
| 01:23:25 | jmhodges | my Z HATES me, but after a few sessions with a therapist and ritual beatings every night, it know loves, adores and fears me |
| 01:23:26 | noda | TheMasterMind1: How's the style on faq.php? |
| 01:23:34 | jmhodges | s/HATES/HATED/ |
| 01:23:39 | nadav | jmhodges: haha |
| 01:23:39 | Ghent19 | damn, still doing it |
| 01:23:58 | TheMasterMind1 | good |
| 01:24:10 | noda | Ghent19: Is the file named "initrd.bin"? |
| 01:24:13 | noda | Ghent19: Does it md5sum properly? |
| 01:24:24 | Ghent19 | ill try to dl again |
| 01:24:30 | noda | What's the filesystem on the CF card? Is the CF card certainly plugged in properly? |
| 01:24:37 | noda | Ghent19: No need to download again, just check the md5sum. |
| 01:25:03 | Ghent19 | im in winblows, does that have md5? |
| 01:25:12 | noda | Um. |
| 01:25:21 | noda | Okay, you gotta reprioritize. Get Linux, THEN do stuff with your Z :) |
| 01:25:22 | noda | beams. |
| 01:25:32 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:25:42 | jmhodges | Ghent19: theres an md5 exe for ya |
| 01:25:48 | jmhodges | Ghent19: just google md5sum |
| 01:25:51 | Ghent19 | heh, i got linux. dont know if my usb cf read/writer works in it ;) |
| 01:25:52 | jmhodges | Ghent19: itll pop up |
| 01:26:09 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Could you please check the style on faq.php? |
| 01:26:14 | jmhodges | Ghent19: dude you can make it :-D even my weird multi-card kodak one does! |
| 01:26:20 | noda | Ghent19: They all do :) |
| 01:26:23 | jmhodges | Ghent19: just usb storage usually |
| 01:26:29 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: i think it'd be better if you have the boxes leftpadded and other stuff just left aligned |
| 01:26:32 | noda | My SDDR-75 works |
| 01:26:34 | jmhodges | theres a few hw specific drivers |
| 01:26:43 | TheMasterMind1 | the centering looks awkward |
| 01:26:45 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:26:49 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you spell that |
| 01:26:52 | chouimat | noda: it's the SDDR-73 that you ned |
| 01:26:53 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Erm. You liked it yesterday :) |
| 01:27:00 | noda | TheMasterMind1: "weird" :) |
| 01:27:09 | noda | chouimat: What's the difference? Mine's got a higher number :) |
| 01:27:30 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:27:39 | chouimat | noda: the SDDR-73 is the CF, MMC/SD reader |
| 01:27:50 | jmhodges | sounds like mine |
| 01:27:54 | noda | TheMasterMind1: The problem is, sometimes the tables are small and sometimes they're big - can be a big waste of space to pad. |
| 01:27:54 | jmhodges | cept i think it can do.. dammit |
| 01:27:57 | Ghent19 | ooh, its a brighter light on leds this time |
| 01:28:00 | jmhodges | that OTHER mem type |
| 01:28:00 | noda | chouimat: It reads SD??? |
| 01:28:04 | Ghent19 | musta been a bad dl |
| 01:28:05 | jmhodges | the on used on camera |
| 01:28:06 | chouimat | noda: yes |
| 01:28:06 | jmhodges | s |
| 01:28:09 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: shrug, whatever |
| 01:28:10 | jmhodges | AH memory stick ? |
| 01:28:12 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: yea, its fine |
| 01:28:17 | noda | Damn! Mine reads something else, but not SD :) |
| 01:28:27 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: more space after the first table and befor ethe second caption |
| 01:28:28 | chouimat | the 75 is smartmedia? |
| 01:28:28 | noda | It's got this really thin slot the length of the CF slot :) |
| 01:28:32 | noda | Yeah |
| 01:28:38 | noda | I guess |
| 01:28:48 | chouimat | and the 77 is memory stick |
| 01:28:49 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Okay |
| 01:29:37 | chouimat | noda: the 75 i smartmedia |
| 01:30:01 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Like that? |
| 01:30:44 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 01:30:45 | TheMasterMind1 | great |
| 01:30:46 | chouimat | noda: the 73 was very hard to find in Quebec City, cost me 10$ more than the 75 and the 77 but I don't care |
| 01:30:56 | Ghent19 | looks like its going good now.. ok guys, now that its to late to make a diff, i asked this above and didnt see response ;) was it ok to take the 2.9.5 initrd and a kernel from 2.9.4? there was no kernels listed at SF for latest ver.. |
| 01:31:09 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I'll do the right-aligning ID stuff tomorrow. It's in my TODO. |
| 01:31:13 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 01:31:15 | TheMasterMind1 | hehe |
| 01:31:23 | TheMasterMind1 | don't need to link the ids either |
| 01:31:25 | TheMasterMind1 | the question is enough |
| 01:32:01 | noda | I'd prefer to link the IDs in case the question is mysteriously empty somehow (always 5 ways to fall back if something goes wrong, that's my policy) |
| 01:33:07 | chouimat | noda: what new? |
| 01:33:10 | Ghent19 | how long should it take to flash? |
| 01:33:20 | chouimat | Ghent19: 3 weeks :) |
| 01:33:25 | Ghent19 | it seems like it :P |
| 01:33:36 | noda | chouimat: Nothing... |
| 01:34:13 | TheMasterMind1 | Ghent19: 3-12 mins |
| 01:34:20 | Ghent19 | 3-12? lol |
| 01:34:27 | chouimat | noda: my brother searched for the SDDR-73 in montreal and was unable to find it (they have all the others models but not that one ) |
| 01:34:27 | noda | chouimat: You? |
| 01:34:28 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 01:34:40 | noda | chouimat: I just picked up the first thing I could find (my Z was unuseable) |
| 01:34:43 | chouimat | works works works works |
| 01:35:10 | chouimat | noda: I borrowed my father's SDDR-31 |
| 01:35:51 | chouimat | noda: how much for the 75? |
| 01:36:07 | noda | Ack! Why can't I connect to ssh.sf.net? |
| 01:36:29 | noda | Aaaargh! |
| 01:36:45 | noda | TheMasterMind1: If you can connect to sf.net, could you please do a cvs up in /home/groups/o/op/openzauurs/htdocs/oz_website? :) |
| 01:37:14 | TheMasterMind1 | Connection to openzaurus.sf.net closed by remote host. |
| 01:37:14 | TheMasterMind1 | Connection to openzaurus.sf.net closed. |
| 01:37:15 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf? |
| 01:37:44 | noda | Damn. |
| 01:37:46 | noda | That's what I get |
| 01:38:39 | noda | After making that sweet new function, too... |
| 01:40:58 | Ghent19 | hrmm, /me always get nervous while voiding warranty on $300 toys rewriting a flash... |
| 01:41:01 | kergoth`zzz | yawns |
| 01:41:02 | kergoth`zzz | hey guys |
| 01:41:07 | noda | kergoth`zzz: Hallo! :) |
| 01:41:14 | kergoth`zzz | noticed SF is down i take it |
| 01:41:17 | kergoth`zzz | fun stuff, that |
| 01:41:19 | noda | kergoth`zzz: Notice the 'search' function? :) |
| 01:41:25 | kergoth | yes, i saw that when the site was still up |
| 01:41:27 | kergoth | looked good |
| 01:41:28 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:41:34 | noda | The site's down now? |
| 01:41:40 | noda | Sucky. |
| 01:41:41 | kergoth | sf is. |
| 01:41:50 | noda | http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/oz/ has it, as well as the new FAQ admin page :) |
| 01:42:39 | noda | I can still do CVS stuff on it... |
| 01:43:32 | kergoth | odd |
| 01:44:36 | noda | Ah well, I'll fix the 'categories.php' to use my new table function while I'm waiting for it to come back up |
| 01:46:21 | tux_mike | kerg: still havin problems with the netsetup/ |
| 01:46:51 | kergoth | havent tested it since ben changed interfaces to be in a lib, which he believed would fix the proble |
| 01:46:54 | kergoth | m |
| 01:47:57 | cbok | sourceforge it up |
| 01:48:03 | cbok | is.. |
| 01:48:24 | kergoth | cbok: back up? |
| 01:48:28 | cbok | yup |
| 01:48:33 | kergoth | nice |
| 01:48:42 | cbok | kergoth - you need someone to test the net netapp? |
| 01:48:58 | kergoth | yes, someone needs to test the wireless setup in current networksetup from opie cvs |
| 01:49:14 | cbok | k |
| 01:49:23 | kergoth | to confirm it no longer crashes. (note: *must* verify that you can override the ip config on the wireless interface with a static configuration) |
| 01:49:38 | Ghent19 | hrmm, scared now.. i think its been over 12 min flashing.. |
| 01:49:38 | cbok | :-) |
| 01:50:14 | kergoth | Ghent19: if it doesnt finish soon, it likely never will. in which case you've got an issue with your card |
| 01:50:30 | Ghent19 | its a PNY 128 meg cf |
| 01:50:37 | Ghent19 | brand new today, and formatted FAT |
| 01:50:43 | kergoth | with -F 16? |
| 01:50:50 | kergoth | if you didnt specify that, it means nothing. |
| 01:51:00 | Ghent19 | i formatted it in winbows. |
| 01:51:07 | Ghent19 | it was choice of FAT or FAT32 |
| 01:51:13 | kergoth | no guarantees. |
| 01:51:22 | kergoth | it *must* be fat16 |
| 01:51:25 | Ghent19 | waht happens if this doesnt work then? |
| 01:51:27 | kergoth | single partition |
| 01:51:32 | kergoth | nothing, you just reflash again |
| 01:51:37 | Ghent19 | can i just reformat and try again |
| 01:51:38 | Ghent19 | ? |
| 01:51:42 | kergoth | yes |
| 01:51:45 | kergoth | like i said |
| 01:51:48 | kergoth | just reflash |
| 01:51:49 | Ghent19 | ok, thats good. i just dont want it dead for good :P |
| 01:51:59 | kergoth | not possible to do that flashing oz |
| 01:52:11 | kergoth | is opssible to do that (though unlikely) flashing the sharp ospack file |
| 01:52:50 | Ghent19 | hrmm, k, gonna run to store quick, then ill boot up linux and see if ican get my usb flash writer working in there and reformat and stuff |
| 01:53:19 | noda | lol |
| 01:53:19 | Ghent19 | so should i just turn it off if its still going? or unplug? or waht? |
| 01:54:29 | noda | TheMasterMind1: You're gonna have me, but I've TEMPORARILY gotten rid of the right-alignment of IDs in categories.php. Will fix it properly tomorrow. |
| 01:54:46 | noda | Actually, since I can't do a CVS update, guess it doesn't show up :P |
| 01:56:14 | Ghent19 | booting linux and store run, bbl |
| 02:02:48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: opie doesn't compile |
| 02:03:08 | ljp | compiles here |
| 02:04:05 | TheMasterMind1 | In file included from wlanimp.cpp:20: |
| 02:04:05 | TheMasterMind1 | ../interfaces/interfacesetupimp.h:4: interfacesetup.h: No such file or directory |
| 02:04:10 | TheMasterMind1 | network setup dies |
| 02:04:24 | ljp | you need a new Makefile and to ./configure |
| 02:04:32 | chouimat | *BELCH* |
| 02:05:12 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: i did.. |
| 02:06:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't even have that file.. interfaces/interfacesetup.h doesn't exist |
| 02:07:09 | TheMasterMind1 | ./configure -xplatform oz |
| 02:09:10 | ljp | make sure the line noncore/net/networksetup/interfaces is in Makefile |
| 02:11:45 | TheMasterMind1 | its not |
| 02:11:52 | TheMasterMind1 | i cvs upped the file |
| 02:14:38 | ljp | should be on line 87 |
| 02:14:45 | Ghent19 | ok, back.. What device does a usb card reader usually come up as? |
| 02:14:48 | Ghent19 | in linux |
| 02:15:48 | jmhodges | sda1 |
| 02:16:00 | jmhodges | /dev/sda1 |
| 02:16:17 | Ghent19 | k, what cmd do u use to format in fat16? |
| 02:18:00 | ljp | a usb card reader really uses a scsi interface? |
| 02:18:07 | roge99 | mkfs.msdos -f 16 |
| 02:18:08 | TheMasterMind1 | # Default link type (static linking is still be used where required) |
| 02:18:10 | TheMasterMind1 | that's my line 87 |
| 02:18:18 | Ghent19 | ive never used usb in linux, so i know nothing ;) |
| 02:18:23 | ljp | opie Makefile ? |
| 02:18:24 | TheMasterMind1 | oh wait |
| 02:18:29 | TheMasterMind1 | NONNET = noncore/net/networksetup/interfaces noncore/net/networksetup \ |
| 02:18:30 | TheMasterMind1 | its there |
| 02:18:53 | Ghent19 | doh, dont got a mkfs.msdos... gentoo may be to streamlined... |
| 02:19:02 | ljp | configuring should create that header from a ui |
| 02:19:34 | ljp | oh, well. .withgentoo, its easy enough to emerge anything.. no hunting the net |
| 02:19:37 | Ghent19 | and, no sda* what do i need compiled in kernel? |
| 02:20:49 | jmhodges | Ghent19: i belive scsi support (MAYBE) but definitely USB storage |
| 02:20:56 | Ghent19 | k, im looking now.. |
| 02:21:05 | Ghent19 | do not have mass storage in kernel. |
| 02:21:10 | Ghent19 | ill recompile.. |
| 02:21:14 | jmhodges | right toss taht in there :) |
| 02:22:57 | Aimio | anyone in? |
| 02:23:15 | jmhodges | tons |
| 02:23:20 | Aimio | :) |
| 02:23:47 | Aimio | Is openZ intended to be more secure, for working online - not just running as root |
| 02:23:53 | DaJoker | TheMasterMind1: well.. getting farther in my moz compile.. damn thing still depends on glib and libIDL even with qt it seems.. so, I had to build libIDL first.. but it's compiling now.. |
| 02:24:11 | Aimio | & how can I get files onit from linux? have to use sync soft? |
| 02:24:34 | ljp | ftp port 4242, or scp |
| 02:25:27 | Ghent19 | hrmm, im hoping this will work.... my usb hub is a MAC studio display monitor ;) |
| 02:25:33 | Aimio | thx |
| 02:26:22 | jmhodges | Ghent19: heh it will :-D |
| 02:26:35 | jmhodges | crosses his fingers for Ghent19 |
| 02:26:57 | Ghent19 | lol |
| 02:27:23 | Ghent19 | it wouldnt be bad if i was on my mac, but im running a funky converter from ADC->DVI and its powered off computer USB ;) |
| 02:27:37 | jmhodges | lol |
| 02:27:52 | jmhodges | i have no idea what you mean by that |
| 02:27:54 | jmhodges | :-D |
| 02:28:00 | jmhodges | <-- clueless |
| 02:28:09 | jmhodges | im just a user dammit :) |
| 02:28:14 | Ghent19 | well, the mac Studio flatpanels dont work in intel boxes by default |
| 02:28:16 | jmhodges | argh stupid "deleted" modules |
| 02:28:23 | korn_freak | so heres the popular question... when should we see this final bug and oz3 final be released? |
| 02:28:31 | Ghent19 | had to buy an ADC to DVI converter for it to work. |
| 02:28:36 | jmhodges | Ghent19: ah, so what is ADC and DVI ? |
| 02:29:08 | NetNut404_PDA | what is the final bug they are speaking of? |
| 02:29:19 | Ghent19 | adc is apple "something" connector. DVI is another videa adaptor, but it comes on a lot of cards along with the typical vga port... |
| 02:29:33 | jmhodges | Ghent19: Ahhhhhh! |
| 02:29:39 | Ghent19 | apple display conector and digital video input i think?/ |
| 02:29:42 | jmhodges | is somewhat more enlightened |
| 02:29:44 | jmhodges | thanks Ghent19 |
| 02:29:44 | Ghent19 | not sure though |
| 02:30:46 | jmhodges | Ghent19: hehehe thats plenty of info |
| 02:31:51 | NetNut404_PDA | anyone here know how to get qtjim to work as a yahoo messenger? |
| 02:32:30 | NetNut404_PDA | is unfamilliar with jabber |
| 02:32:34 | ljp | ya something like that :) |
| 02:32:42 | ljp | whoops |
| 02:33:00 | jmhodges | heh |
| 02:34:21 | Ghent19 | ok, got card reader working, now i gotta find a mkfs for fat16 on gentoo =P |
| 02:34:35 | jmhodges | mkfs??? |
| 02:34:42 | jmhodges | ah n/m |
| 02:34:51 | jmhodges | feel like refreshing the mother :) |
| 02:35:05 | Ghent19 | i need it fat16 formatted |
| 02:35:23 | jmhodges | Ghent19: indeed |
| 02:35:55 | jmhodges | Ghent19: can you do a pkg search |
| 02:36:36 | Ghent19 | nothing found in portage |
| 02:36:43 | jmhodges | cause in lunar its the dosfstools module |
| 02:36:47 | Ghent19 | ahh |
| 02:36:50 | Ghent19 | ill check there |
| 02:36:56 | jmhodges | lvu website dosfstools |
| 02:36:56 | jmhodges | ftp://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/Linux/LOCAL/dosfstools/ |
| 02:37:08 | Ghent19 | gentoo has that one |
| 02:37:12 | Ghent19 | was searching for mkfs |
| 02:38:07 | Ghent19 | woo! looks like that worked |
| 02:38:53 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 02:38:55 | jmhodges | same here |
| 02:39:00 | Ghent19 | figurs, openzaurus is down yet, (site.) |
| 02:39:04 | jmhodges | Ghent19: whats the search command in Ghent19 ? |
| 02:39:16 | Ghent19 | emerge -s blah |
| 02:40:37 | Ghent19 | ok, whats teh reccomened kernel to get? i got a 128 meg SD card, should i get the 40-24 or the 64 |
| 02:41:47 | beattie | TMM1: if anybody is interested, when building from a new bitkeeper clone, opie is incomplete and does not build, I'm trying to figure out how to fix it |
| 02:44:49 | Ghent19 | crosses fingers and attempts to flash again |
| 02:46:08 | Ghent19 | damn, only one led comes on |
| 02:46:23 | jmhodges | Ghent19: did you... |
| 02:46:31 | jmhodges | Ghent19: but the AC adaptor into your Z |
| 02:46:35 | jmhodges | Ghent19: directly |
| 02:46:37 | Ghent19 | AC is in |
| 02:46:45 | jmhodges | hrm.. |
| 02:46:46 | Ghent19 | yeah |
| 02:46:50 | | oz faq is http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/browse.php |
| 02:46:50 | jmhodges | ibot oz faq |
| 02:46:55 | jmhodges | trying to remember |
| 02:46:59 | jmhodges | it sounds like a bad name |
| 02:47:04 | jmhodges | but i cant remember exactly |
| 02:47:06 | jmhodges | file name that is |
| 02:47:17 | Ghent19 | initrd.bin right? |
| 02:47:28 | jmhodges | yep |
| 02:47:37 | Ghent19 | thats what i got |
| 02:47:44 | jmhodges | an zImage |
| 02:47:47 | Ghent19 | tarsis dos # ls -l |
| 02:47:47 | Ghent19 | total 15274 |
| 02:47:47 | Ghent19 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5 Oct 27 21:12 bootflag.txt |
| 02:47:47 | Ghent19 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 14811135 Oct 27 21:13 initrd.bin |
| 02:47:47 | Ghent19 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 825964 Oct 27 21:15 zImage |
| 02:47:53 | jmhodges | ..... |
| 02:48:14 | jmhodges | um |
| 02:48:37 | jmhodges | crap i cant remember |
| 02:48:44 | jmhodges | can anyone else remember? |
| 02:48:50 | jmhodges | OOH |
| 02:48:54 | jmhodges | Ghent19: try this |
| 02:49:21 | jmhodges | Ghent19: hit C+D, then hit full reset and let go of full reset WITHOUT letting go C+D for a sec or two |
| 02:49:29 | jmhodges | Ghent19: taht may do it |
| 02:49:31 | Ghent19 | k |
| 02:50:09 | Ghent19 | ooh, looks like that worked |
| 02:50:12 | Ghent19 | both leds on |
| 02:50:53 | jmhodges | hehehe sweeeet |
| 02:50:55 | Ghent19 | prays it flashes this time ;) |
| 02:50:59 | jmhodges | did that MANY MANY TIMES |
| 02:51:08 | Ghent19 | last time i had formatted the CF in win. but didnt work |
| 02:55:28 | Ghent19 | bets the guy with the bright idea to hold down both c and d has tiny tiny fingers and hands... |
| 03:00:53 | chouimat | Ghent19: have you something called a mouth? so stick the stylus in it and use both hand to hold down c and d :) |
| 03:01:25 | Ghent19 | lol |
| 03:01:51 | Ghent19 | its still some damn conspiracy :P |
| 03:01:56 | chouimat|tv | or find a third hand :P |
| 03:02:19 | Ghent19 | is fearing again... its almost been 12 min |
| 03:02:36 | beattie | iuse my thumb to hold both down at once |
| 03:05:27 | Dessimat0r | they make it hard, eh? ;) |
| 03:05:46 | chouimat|tv | Dessimat0r: :P |
| 03:05:57 | Ghent19 | ok guys. im stumped... its been 15 min flashing.. |
| 03:06:05 | jmhodges | ! |
| 03:06:05 | Ghent19 | any ideas waht can be wrong? |
| 03:06:32 | Dessimat0r | corruption of the image? |
| 03:06:47 | Ghent19 | this is 2nd time its happened |
| 03:06:59 | Dessimat0r | sounds liek a faulty CF |
| 03:07:01 | Dessimat0r | like |
| 03:07:08 | Ghent19 | currently i got the files on a PNY 128M CF brand new out of box today |
| 03:08:03 | Ghent19 | it reads and mounts fine in both win and lin |
| 03:08:12 | Dessimat0r | Hmm |
| 03:08:20 | Dessimat0r | I'd do a reformat, just to be on the safe side |
| 03:08:26 | Ghent19 | i have a 128M SD card in now as well, should that be taken out to flash? |
| 03:08:28 | Dessimat0r | it might have a weird cluster size |
| 03:08:40 | Ghent19 | i did mkdosfs -F 16 /dev/sda1 |
| 03:09:05 | Dessimat0r | Ghent19: Take out all unnecessary stuff, can't hurt ;) |
| 03:09:19 | Ghent19 | k |
| 03:09:27 | Ghent19 | waht kernel do you reccomend? |
| 03:09:37 | Ghent19 | i think i did the 48-16 |
| 03:10:51 | Dessimat0r | 64-0, I store all my stuff on CF anyway |
| 03:11:40 | Ghent19 | k |
| 03:11:45 | Ghent19 | does this look ok? |
| 03:11:53 | Ghent19 | mkdosfs 2.8 (28 Feb 2001) |
| 03:11:53 | Ghent19 | logical sector size is 512, |
| 03:11:53 | Ghent19 | using 0xf8 media descriptor, with 250080 sectors; |
| 03:11:53 | Ghent19 | file system has 2 16-bit FATs and 4 sectors per cluster. |
| 03:11:53 | Ghent19 | FAT size is 244 sectors, and provides 62389 clusters. |
| 03:11:54 | Ghent19 | Root directory contains 512 slots. |
| 03:11:55 | Ghent19 | Volume ID is 3dbca46a, no volume label. |
| 03:12:25 | Dessimat0r | no idea, not familar with filesystems |
| 03:12:29 | Ghent19 | im also checking for bad blocks now |
| 03:12:49 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 03:14:36 | Ghent19 | all right, dled the 64 kernel this time.. i plan on using the sd 128 card anyways, got a wcf12 card for net |
| 03:14:42 | Ghent19 | check out ok |
| 03:15:41 | | kergoth`bbl was last seen on #zaurus 4 days, 12 hours, 32 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: morning all [Wed Oct 23 08:43:19 2002] |
| 03:15:41 | DocWhat | ibot seen kergoth`bbl |
| 03:17:29 | Ghent19 | ok, trying a 3rd time ;( |
| 03:18:50 | Dessimat0r | Ghent19: it could be that your reset button is stuck down at the back, happened to me ;) |
| 03:19:15 | Ghent19 | would the leds come on even if it was stuck? |
| 03:19:32 | Dessimat0r | They did on mine ;) |
| 03:19:35 | Ghent19 | hrmm |
| 03:19:51 | Ghent19 | but i did hit it again, and it booted sharps rom fine |
| 03:20:01 | Ghent19 | after i gave up last time |
| 03:20:35 | Ghent19 | does it have to be in normal operation to flash? |
| 03:20:41 | Ghent19 | im still in replace batt |
| 03:21:57 | DocWhat | Where is the source code for 'qpe' in the buildroot-oz? |
| 03:22:42 | DocWhat | I need to make a change to it, so it'll re-open /dev/ts on a -HUP or something similar. |
| 03:24:28 | Dessimat0r | qpe? its in the opie build root isn't it? |
| 03:24:58 | DocWhat | I assumed, but I can't find a Makefile rule to build it, or a (convenient) file named qpe.cpp |
| 03:25:30 | Dessimat0r | i think its been integrated into libopie |
| 03:25:38 | DaJoker | DocWhat: probably a question better asked in #opie then |
| 03:26:03 | DocWhat | Yeah....integrated into libopie, eh? |
| 03:26:08 | DocWhat | how annoying. |
| 03:26:42 | Ghent19 | Dessimat0r: does the zaurus have to be in normal operation mode to flash? |
| 03:26:57 | TheMasterMind1 | DaJoker: yo, how goes it |
| 03:28:34 | DocWhat | It's apparently in QT. |
| 03:31:01 | TheMasterMind1 | DocWhat: depends |
| 03:31:10 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1: It looks like the only true solution is to fix/alter qpe. :-( |
| 03:31:10 | TheMasterMind1 | opie's binary is named qpe |
| 03:31:37 | DocWhat | fbvncserver causes ALL touchscreen to fail when the package is removed. |
| 03:31:40 | DocWhat | :-( |
| 03:31:44 | TheMasterMind1 | ick |
| 03:31:53 | Ghent19 | it didnt work again.... ;( |
| 03:32:16 | DocWhat | No kidding. I figure the best solution is to alter qpe to re-open /dev/ts when HUP'ed or USR1'ed or something similar. |
| 03:32:33 | DocWhat | I'm trying to find the source for qpe. |
| 03:34:51 | beattie | I'm trying to build from the bitkeeper sources and I seem to be missing qpe, but it seems to be looking for it under opie |
| 03:35:20 | beattie | buildroot/build/opie/include/qpe/version.h |
| 03:35:29 | DocWhat | Did you get the compiler as in docs/BUILD? |
| 03:35:38 | beattie | yes |
| 03:35:43 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: sounds like a patch didn't apply cleanly |
| 03:35:50 | TheMasterMind1 | one of the patches fixes that iirc |
| 03:36:01 | TheMasterMind1 | or it didn't extract opie sources before compiling qte |
| 03:36:14 | DocWhat | I had weird problems when I didn't have all the tools installed: automake, etc. |
| 03:36:17 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: when does it error with that.. while compiling what |
| 03:36:36 | beattie | TMM1: compileing opie |
| 03:37:01 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 03:37:09 | TheMasterMind1 | try make SUBDIRS=packages/opie clean package; |
| 03:37:44 | beattie | I started for fresh clean bitkeeper sources |
| 03:38:38 | Ghent19 | ok guys, ive tried 3 times to flash on OZ, no go.... any ideas? |
| 03:39:06 | DocWhat | Ghent19: I missed the beginning. What's the symptoms? |
| 03:39:07 | kergoth | Ghent19: 90% chance its your card or the filesystem on the card |
| 03:39:08 | TheMasterMind1 | Ghent19: whats not working |
| 03:39:29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you been reading about this problem DocWhat's been trying to solve? |
| 03:39:37 | kergoth | no |
| 03:39:41 | kergoth | i've been cleaning my house |
| 03:39:49 | DocWhat | morning kergoth. :-) How's it going? |
| 03:39:51 | Ghent19 | ok, got a PNY 128m card, brand new.. mkdosfs -F 16 /dev/sda1 to format it... put on initrd, kernel and bootflag, |
| 03:40:08 | DocWhat | Ghent19: filenames? |
| 03:40:09 | Ghent19 | the leds come up, but waiting for 20 min each time and its still not doen |
| 03:40:19 | Ghent19 | initrd.bin zImage bootflag.txt |
| 03:40:20 | TheMasterMind1 | Ghent19: hmmmm |
| 03:40:24 | kergoth | Ghent19: check the md5sums on the image |
| 03:40:52 | beattie | make SUBDIRS=packages/opie clean |
| 03:40:53 | beattie | make: *** No rule to make target `nodeps_packages/opie', needed by `nodeps_sub_dirs'. Stop. |
| 03:40:59 | DocWhat | kergoth: So, fbvncserver... I fixed the scripts and such, and discover why the original package requires a reboot.... |
| 03:41:01 | TheMasterMind1 | thats not good |
| 03:41:09 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: did you use bk to grab the tree? |
| 03:41:10 | kergoth | beattie: opie isnt enabled in your .config |
| 03:41:14 | TheMasterMind1 | you need to do bk -r co -q |
| 03:41:21 | kergoth | beattie: enable freetype, then enable opie |
| 03:41:31 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, or that |
| 03:41:35 | Ghent19 | wheres the md5 listed on source forge? |
| 03:41:35 | beattie | kergoth: ok |
| 03:41:40 | Ghent19 | i got tarsis dos # md5sum initrd.bin |
| 03:41:40 | Ghent19 | 039e12288676870878c1020d2a9309c2 initrd.bin |
| 03:41:45 | kergoth | Ghent19: those images are old. and the md5sums arent available |
| 03:41:49 | | i heard oz prerelease was http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 03:41:49 | kergoth | ibot oz prerelease |
| 03:41:51 | kergoth | get that |
| 03:41:56 | Ghent19 | k |
| 03:43:22 | DocWhat | kergoth: Basically, qpe has the /dev/sharp_ts (via the symlink /dev/ts) file open and is reading TS events from it. Well, the tssimd goes and adds redirection by removing the /dev/ts link, and putting in a pipe. The problem is that until QPE is restarted, QPE and tssimd fight over who gets the events. Result: erratic touch screen. Worse, after a restart (which forces qpe to open the new pipe /dev/ts) if you now uninstall tssimd/fbvncserver |
| 03:43:39 | Ghent19 | kergoth: dling those now |
| 03:44:09 | DocWhat | kergoth: Original fbvncserver fixed this by adding the /etc/rc?.d links, but not starting anything till reboot. If you uninstalled it, you'd loose touchscreen (till reboot). |
| 03:45:03 | DocWhat | My proposed solution is to alter qpe to re-open /dev/ts upon a Signal. HUP looks like it is being used for something (I get a "Out of Memory" dialog), so I guess I was thinking USR1 or USR2 |
| 03:45:27 | beattie | kergoth: opie was enabled, but freetype was not, I'm building now |
| 03:45:44 | beattie | but getting errors |
| 03:46:23 | kergoth | DocWhat: USR1 is used by qt/e and everyone else in the world as the interface of notification on VT change |
| 03:46:27 | kergoth | DocWhat: so thats out. |
| 03:46:30 | Ghent19 | ok, trying a fourth time.... =P |
| 03:46:52 | DocWhat | *sigh* USR2? how about SEGV? *evil grin* |
| 03:46:57 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:47:03 | kergoth | USR2 afaict isnt used |
| 03:47:13 | kergoth | check qt/e sources and qtopia sources both to be certain |
| 03:47:36 | chouimat|tv | *BELCH* |
| 03:47:43 | kergoth | frankly, we should probably stick to the original design whereby a reboot is required |
| 03:47:54 | Ghent19 | kergoth: does it have to be in normal operation to flash, or is replace battery ok? |
| 03:47:59 | kergoth | as i doubt this functionality will be needed by anyone else but us (the reopen of ts) |
| 03:48:05 | DocWhat | kergoth: Doesn't fix the touch screen not working after you remove the package. |
| 03:48:06 | kergoth | Ghent19: read and follow the instructions. |
| 03:48:25 | kergoth | DocWhat: ? |
| 03:48:31 | kergoth | so make it correct the links on uninstall |
| 03:48:35 | kergoth | nothing will be happy until you reboot again |
| 03:48:40 | kergoth | nature of the beast |
| 03:48:51 | DocWhat | kergoth: It does. That's right. When the links are fixed, the touchscreen stops working altogether. |
| 03:48:57 | kergoth | yes, it will |
| 03:48:59 | kergoth | until you reboot |
| 03:49:01 | DocWhat | Untill reboot/restart. |
| 03:49:01 | kergoth | like i said |
| 03:49:04 | kergoth | yes |
| 03:49:09 | DocWhat | We are in violent agreement. |
| 03:49:14 | kergoth | indeed |
| 03:49:24 | Ghent19 | kergoth, do u need the bootflag.txt on cf? one site i read says it did, but its not mentioned on the link you pasted |
| 03:49:39 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: I want OZ3 |
| 03:49:41 | kergoth | Ghent19: i didnt paste a link, i dont know what you've been smoking |
| 03:49:43 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: me too |
| 03:49:53 | DocWhat | You don't think it's worth worrying about? If that is the case, then I have a final tarball (and a batch for Makefile) all done for fixing the fbvncserver. |
| 03:50:01 | Ghent19 | well, you had ibot give me one |
| 03:50:12 | kergoth | DocWhat: yes. i dont believe the reopen of ts on a signal will be something that will be useful for anyone but us |
| 03:50:15 | kergoth | Ghent19: that wasnt instructions. |
| 03:50:16 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: how is your non-recursive buildroot? |
| 03:50:21 | kergoth | Ghent19: that was a url to the image itself. RTFM. |
| 03:50:28 | Ghent19 | i backspaced to main site, then rtfm |
| 03:50:36 | kergoth | Ghent19: huh? |
| 03:50:41 | DocWhat | kergoth: Not a problem. TheMasterMind1: expect a tarball and patch soon. |
| 03:50:42 | kergoth | Ghent19: FAQ points you to the official sharp flash instructions |
| 03:50:44 | Ghent19 | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/oz_website/content/installguide.php |
| 03:50:46 | kergoth | Ghent19: read the fucking docs |
| 03:51:01 | Ghent19 | i have. many times. |
| 03:51:06 | kergoth | then you're blind |
| 03:51:12 | kergoth | it tells you precisely what bootflag.txt is for |
| 03:51:21 | kergoth | if you'd like i can go there and paste it for you |
| 03:51:53 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: just say: you need zImage,initrd.bin and bootflag.txt and shaddup |
| 03:52:28 | kergoth | could do that |
| 03:52:29 | chouimat|tv | rb |
| 03:52:36 | kergoth | i prefer to ensure there's comprehension first |
| 03:52:39 | kergoth | just my deal |
| 03:52:50 | kergoth | Ghent19: read the original OZ faq. the installguide is in dire need of improvement |
| 03:52:54 | | hmmm... oz faq is http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/browse.php |
| 03:52:54 | kergoth | ibot oz faq |
| 03:53:54 | kergoth | ibot: message for noda: add information regarding bootflag.txt, pasted verbatim from sharp's flashing instructions, to the official oz install guide. its lack is confusing end users. |
| 03:54:47 | kergoth | mutters about whomever did the install guide |
| 03:54:50 | kergoth | has another drink |
| 03:55:14 | roge99 | hey kergoth how goes it |
| 03:56:33 | kergoth | not too bad. been a slow, lazy weekend in which i accomplished very little outside of hanging out with friends and drinking |
| 03:56:36 | kergoth | you? |
| 03:57:04 | roge99 | hockey , more hockey , then some dinken then more hockey |
| 03:57:09 | kergoth | hah, fun] |
| 03:57:36 | beattie | opie is still not building "/home/beattie/OZ/buildroot/build/qt-2.3.4-beta2/bin/uic: error while loading shared libraries: libqutil.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 03:57:50 | roge99 | my kid got to have a scrimmage thing between periods at the local hockey game today |
| 03:58:41 | kergoth | beattie: you need libqutil on the desktop. for now, until we get a staticly built uic |
| 03:59:29 | roge99 | kergoth: so hows 3.0 doing |
| 03:59:55 | kergoth | its been fairly solid, pending opie bugfixes for about a week or two |
| 03:59:57 | beattie | any clue on where to get libqutil |
| 04:00:00 | kergoth | couple minor kinks here and there |
| 04:00:07 | kergoth | beattie: check the qt packages in your distribution |
| 04:00:11 | kergoth | beattie: what distro |
| 04:00:14 | roge99 | do you have it up as a pre-relaese |
| 04:00:19 | | hmmm... oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 04:00:19 | kergoth | ibot oz prerelease |
| 04:00:29 | beattie | debian |
| 04:00:31 | kergoth | thats the latest. nothing changed from there to current bk afaicr |
| 04:00:39 | roge99 | ok ... |
| 04:00:52 | kergoth | beattie: apt-get is your friend. sudo apt-get install libqutil1 |
| 04:04:57 | DocWhat | Anyone: Does the multiuser stuff work yet? I tried to add a user: When I log in, it show the Opie (please wait) screen, then dumps me back to the login screen. |
| 04:05:54 | TheMasterMind1 | DocWhat: heheheh |
| 04:06:00 | TheMasterMind1 | DocWhat: oops :) |
| 04:06:09 | TheMasterMind1 | DocWhat: did you add that user to all the necessary groups? |
| 04:06:15 | TheMasterMind1 | we don't have permissions worked out yet |
| 04:06:17 | neale | 'lo. |
| 04:06:23 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1: Uh....which groups? It was in some groups by default.... |
| 04:06:30 | kergoth | the default groups + disk |
| 04:06:33 | kergoth | afaicr |
| 04:06:36 | NetNut404_PDA | Is there a way to get konq to play java applets? |
| 04:06:41 | DocWhat | disk????? |
| 04:06:54 | kergoth | ibot: message for umopapisdn: add disk to the default groups for OZ |
| 04:07:01 | Dessimat0r | theres something going around in the sky here, its making a really high pitched humming sound |
| 04:07:07 | kergoth | DocWhat: assuming you want to be able to fdisk :) but that shouldnt be required to load opie |
| 04:07:09 | Dessimat0r | not liek a helicoper or plane |
| 04:07:11 | Dessimat0r | like |
| 04:07:20 | neale | maybe something spraying for mosquitos? |
| 04:07:26 | Dessimat0r | and the noise comes and goes |
| 04:07:29 | neale | or maybe they're coming to get you. |
| 04:07:32 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 04:07:38 | DocWhat | kergoth: don't need fdisk. Just want to get to the launcher. |
| 04:07:41 | kergoth | neale: shh! dont tell him |
| 04:07:43 | Dessimat0r | werrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 04:07:46 | Dessimat0r | is the noise |
| 04:07:56 | kergoth | DocWhat: then default users *should* be fine. i havent tested it, and cannot confirm it'll work |
| 04:07:59 | DocWhat | Dessimat0r: If you're in texas, those'd be the mosquitos. Everything's bigger in Texas. |
| 04:08:05 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 04:08:06 | neale | so I submitted a FAQ entry, but I don't know if it made it anywhere or not. |
| 04:08:08 | Dessimat0r | in the UK ;) |
| 04:08:16 | Dessimat0r | its really loud too |
| 04:08:27 | DocWhat | kergoth: I have, it doesn't. I'll file a bug. I was hoping to set up syslog before the weekend was out, but I'm running out of time. :-( |
| 04:08:27 | neale | man, he's not kidding. Mosquitos in Texas are freakin' *huge*. |
| 04:08:47 | kergoth | DocWhat: its not a bug, its a missing feature |
| 04:08:52 | kergoth | DocWhat: and i've never claimed it works |
| 04:08:55 | DocWhat | Heh. :-) |
| 04:08:56 | NetNut404_PDA | Is there a way to get konq to play java applets? |
| 04:09:00 | kergoth | DocWhat: which is why oz 3.0 wont include usermanager or opie-login |
| 04:09:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:09:08 | DocWhat | kergoth: Bummer. |
| 04:09:12 | kergoth | not by default |
| 04:09:15 | kergoth | just install them |
| 04:09:17 | DocWhat | I thought it was a neat idea. |
| 04:09:20 | kergoth | dood |
| 04:09:21 | DocWhat | oh, okay. |
| 04:09:21 | kergoth | it works |
| 04:09:23 | kergoth | it can be done |
| 04:09:27 | DocWhat | ?? It works for you? |
| 04:09:28 | kergoth | but it hasnt been written up |
| 04:09:29 | kergoth | or confirmed |
| 04:09:31 | kergoth | or tested |
| 04:09:33 | kergoth | or verified |
| 04:09:37 | kergoth | i know 2 people who have it working |
| 04:09:45 | DocWhat | grr....I'll double check, but it's not for me. |
| 04:09:53 | kergoth | so if you want to work it out, feel free. but i never made any guarantees. |
| 04:10:03 | DocWhat | I guess I'll set up syslog and trouble shoot it. |
| 04:10:09 | kergoth | otherwise wait for me to write it up |
| 04:10:23 | DocWhat | kergoth: I was thinking about adding some stuff: unison, less, and diff (which ipkg kinda needs, sort of) |
| 04:10:35 | kergoth | feel free |
| 04:10:52 | kergoth | I'm trying to find a minimal diff implementation to get pulled into busybox |
| 04:10:55 | neale | I'd be in favor of diff. |
| 04:10:58 | neale | uhhh |
| 04:11:00 | kergoth | mjn3 found the minix diff |
| 04:11:04 | neale | uh oh, this isn't good. |
| 04:11:05 | kergoth | which was minimal alright |
| 04:11:09 | kergoth | but lacked unified diff support |
| 04:11:11 | kergoth | which blew |
| 04:11:22 | kergoth | so that didnt make it into busybox |
| 04:11:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:11:24 | DocWhat | Unfortunately, I only have ASM (x86) miniture diffs from my days at TurboLinux. |
| 04:11:46 | DocWhat | You can compile gnu diff pretty tight, with the right options. |
| 04:11:50 | neale | ya know, tomsrtbt just includes lua, and then he writes freakin' everything in lua |
| 04:11:56 | neale | he might have a diff program written in it |
| 04:12:05 | DocWhat | shudders. |
| 04:12:08 | kergoth | ew |
| 04:12:17 | neale | no like lua? |
| 04:12:29 | DocWhat | Lets go one better. We can throw everything away and write it all in scheme! |
| 04:12:36 | kergoth | eww |
| 04:12:37 | neale | well that'd be okay with me |
| 04:12:45 | neale | I dig scheme |
| 04:13:06 | kergoth | just because a language is cool doesnt mean it meets the needs in question |
| 04:13:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:13:19 | neale | okay |
| 04:13:26 | neale | just offering my two pence :) |
| 04:14:02 | Dessimat0r | gah, where the hell did the term 'thats my 2 cents' come from anyway? its lame! |
| 04:14:07 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 04:14:38 | DocWhat | neale: Actually, I do to, but don't tell anyone. :-D |
| 04:15:37 | Dessimat0r | and when people write messages on messageboards, they always have to put at the end '-<name>' or something else like that, when it clearly shows their name to the left |
| 04:15:43 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1: You now have an email for the fbvncserver. It fixes (hopefully) all of the problems. I think the one about the touchscreen using the wrong alignments might have been due to not restarting. |
| 04:15:52 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: theyre used to email |
| 04:16:01 | Dessimat0r | i see ;) |
| 04:16:39 | DocWhat | Any suggestions on which package to use as a "template" for a new package? |
| 04:16:48 | DocWhat | Maybe grep? |
| 04:17:21 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:17:25 | kergoth | grep isnt converted to the new format |
| 04:17:28 | kergoth | its useless |
| 04:17:33 | kergoth | look at ipkg |
| 04:17:38 | DocWhat | ok |
| 04:17:53 | kergoth | ipkg if you only need to build a single ipk |
| 04:18:01 | kergoth | ncurses if you need to build multiple ipks from a given source |
| 04:18:05 | kergoth | or ssh |
| 04:18:25 | DocWhat | Kuel. |
| 04:18:26 | beattie | opie build fails "../interfaces/interfacesetupimp.h:4: interfacesetup.h: No such file or directory" |
| 04:18:38 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: yea, same here |
| 04:18:43 | TheMasterMind1 | go to packages/opie/Makefile |
| 04:18:45 | TheMasterMind1 | edit it |
| 04:19:01 | TheMasterMind1 | $(MAKE) -C $(SourceTree)/noncore/net/networksetup/interfaces |
| 04:19:02 | TheMasterMind1 | $(MAKE) -C $(SourceTree) |
| 04:19:11 | TheMasterMind1 | add the first line above the second |
| 04:20:00 | DocWhat | kergoth: Would it be okay to have developer access? Or should I send changesets to you or TheMasterMind1 for inclusion? |
| 04:20:48 | kergoth | send them to kergoth@handhelds.org for now. |
| 04:20:50 | kergoth | we'll seei |
| 04:20:54 | DocWhat | ok |
| 04:20:56 | kergoth | s/ei/e/ |
| 04:22:32 | DocWhat | I knew what you meant. You prefer gnupatches or changesets? |
| 04:22:59 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:23:16 | DocWhat | From BK. You can email changesets or gnu patches (aka diffs). |
| 04:23:17 | prpplague | kergoth: ewww, when did you stoop so low to get a hh.org email address? |
| 04:23:23 | neale | so, penny for your thoughts or "my 2 cents" goes back to this newspaper in london that paid 2 cents for op-ed columns |
| 04:23:28 | neale | way back, like, hundreds of years ago |
| 04:23:30 | kergoth | bk's send/receive functions are crap |
| 04:23:32 | kergoth | dont use them |
| 04:23:38 | kergoth | use bk export -tpatch |
| 04:23:45 | DocWhat | okay-dokay. done deal. |
| 04:23:54 | kergoth | i want a changeset yes, but in a normal gnu patch form |
| 04:23:56 | kergoth | k |
| 04:24:52 | TheMasterMind1 | neale: heh |
| 04:27:39 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 04:28:04 | kergoth`zzz | later |
| 04:35:41 | celloboy | how do i kill the suspend-on-idle? |
| 04:55:05 | TheMasterMind1 | celloboy: in the light and power |
| 04:55:07 | TheMasterMind1 | settings |
| 05:01:45 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1: Going to submit a new bug: addressbook: selecting from the menu View->Unfiled is the same as View->All (ie, all contacts). |
| 05:03:32 | TheMasterMind1 | don't |
| 05:03:34 | TheMasterMind1 | that's not OZ |
| 05:03:35 | TheMasterMind1 | that's opie |
| 05:03:37 | | opie bugs is, like, http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 05:03:37 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot opie bugs |
| 05:03:41 | TheMasterMind1 | submit it there |
| 05:03:59 | celloboy | TheMasterMind1: there's no option to actually turn the suspend thing off, is there? just dim the light instead |
| 05:04:14 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1: So OZ isn't tracking these? |
| 05:05:21 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 05:05:25 | TheMasterMind1 | we don't track or fix them |
| 05:05:30 | TheMasterMind1 | celloboy: yea |
| 05:05:34 | DocWhat | rolls eyes. |
| 05:05:54 | TheMasterMind1 | DocWhat: you wouldn't tell debian about an error in gnome would you? |
| 05:06:02 | DocWhat | Yes. and I do. |
| 05:06:09 | TheMasterMind1 | you're just weird then |
| 05:06:25 | DocWhat | And when I worked at TurboLinux, users told us about bugs in everything. We tracked them, and fixed them, or pushed them upstream. |
| 05:06:28 | celloboy | so there's no way to just have the z do NOTHING after any amount of time idle? |
| 05:09:39 | DocWhat | Okay, I filed a bug with Opie, too. |
| 05:10:53 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1 : Not weird, I just believe that as the maintainer of a distribution, that I am responsible for all bugs. Sure, I may not solve all my self, but I'll track them to make sure they either are fixed or the users are told about it. |
| 05:11:55 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't mind you telling me about it, that's good so i know whats up, but don't submit to oz bug tracker, submit it to opie's |
| 05:12:21 | TheMasterMind1 | and most of us work on both oz and opie so we see the bug reports, its just easier if they're in the right place |
| 05:12:46 | DocWhat | It's in both, and the OZ one mentions where the Opie one is. |
| 05:13:16 | myuu | is there any possible way i can get opera w/o reinstalling the zaurus rom? |
| 05:20:53 | TheMasterMind1 | myuu: hmm, yes... |
| 05:21:05 | TheMasterMind1 | you can download the sharp rom, mount it, and extract it |
| 05:23:12 | myuu | what do you mean by mounting it? |
| 05:31:07 | myuu | ... |
| 05:32:18 | jmhodges | i have no idea myuu |
| 05:32:35 | myuu | lol, pokes TMM1 |
| 05:34:30 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 05:34:36 | TheMasterMind1 | you can mount it |
| 05:34:40 | TheMasterMind1 | figure it out :) |
| 05:35:38 | TheMasterMind1 | mkdir $(sharproot_tmpdirname); \ |
| 05:35:38 | TheMasterMind1 | losetup -o $(sharprom_offset) /dev/loop0 $(sharprom_build); \ |
| 05:35:38 | TheMasterMind1 | mount -t $(sharprom_fstype) -o loop /dev/loop0 $(sharproot_tmpdirname); \ |
| 05:35:40 | TheMasterMind1 | use loopback |
| 05:36:44 | TheMasterMind1 | sharprom_fstype=cramfs |
| 05:36:45 | TheMasterMind1 | # this could be calculated from the table in the image |
| 05:36:45 | TheMasterMind1 | # or by greping for "Compressed ROMFS" near the start of a block ie: |
| 05:36:45 | TheMasterMind1 | # expr `strings -t d OSPACK | grep "Compressed ROMFS" | sed -e 's/ .*//'` - 16 |
| 05:36:45 | TheMasterMind1 | sharprom_offset=1835008 |
| 05:37:27 | myuu | no...thinking bad... |
| 05:37:27 | myuu | any zaurus emulator out there |
| 05:37:58 | TheMasterMind1 | i just gave you the commands! |
| 05:38:04 | TheMasterMind1 | unless you're running windows.. |
| 05:38:23 | myuu | oh, of course, why didnt i think of that |
| 05:38:30 | myuu | lol, thanks man |
| 05:38:42 | TheMasterMind1 | mkdir /zaurusimage; losetup -o 1835008 /dev/loop0 OSPACK; mount -t cramfs -o loop /dev/loop0 /zaurusimage |
| 05:39:22 | TheMasterMind1 | see, its easy :) |
| 05:41:44 | myuu | omg |
| 05:41:49 | myuu | beautiful man |
| 05:47:06 | TheMasterMind1 | myuu: :) |
| 05:53:38 | stonage | hey, I'm trying to run the zimage-64, installing all the apps on a my sd card, but it seems ipkg keeps trying to a .list file to a sub-directory /usr/lib/ |
| 05:53:46 | stonage | is there any way to change that behavior? |
| 05:55:32 | plastik | ls |
| 05:55:36 | plastik | woops |
| 05:56:22 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: sup! |
| 05:56:26 | Onyx4 | hey |
| 05:56:36 | Onyx4 | what's new |
| 05:56:47 | Onyx4 | i'm on vacation until thursday |
| 05:56:55 | Onyx4 | been travelling :) |
| 05:57:35 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 05:57:45 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: whats ben's networksetup app ipk called? |
| 05:57:50 | Onyx4 | running a new kernel for my desktop now |
| 05:57:58 | Onyx4 | it's much better |
| 05:58:13 | Onyx4 | I switched all my drives from reiserfs to xfs |
| 05:58:19 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 05:58:19 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 05:58:27 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 05:58:28 | Onyx4 | http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ |
| 05:58:32 | TheMasterMind1 | whats this stupid ipk called |
| 05:58:39 | Onyx4 | i'm running ck10+aa+xfs+supermount |
| 05:58:49 | Onyx4 | ck10 is basically preempt+lowlatency patch |
| 05:59:16 | TheMasterMind1 | niice |
| 05:59:23 | TheMasterMind1 | supermount is great |
| 05:59:34 | Onyx4 | oh yeah that's one reason I went with that |
| 06:00:05 | TheMasterMind1 | any idea what the ipkg filename is? |
| 06:00:08 | TheMasterMind1 | for ben's app |
| 06:06:15 | Onyx4 | damn I have a problem again |
| 06:06:21 | Onyx4 | I think it's this vm patch |
| 06:06:29 | Onyx4 | I copy a file, then the file copy hangs |
| 06:06:36 | Onyx4 | cpu spins at 100% in system time |
| 06:06:49 | Onyx4 | I'm gonna have to reboot and rebuild a new kernel without the vm patch |
| 06:17:56 | myuu | seg fault =( |
| 06:19:30 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot message for kergoth: network setup segfaults no more! i did have some issues compiling and running it though, you have to run make inside the interfaces/ dir first, and that copies the libs to opiedir/plugins/networksetup so you have to edit the makefile inside wlan/ to look there for the interfaces lib, then when you install the ipk, it installs the interfaces lib in /opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/networksetup and the app can't find |
| 06:19:30 | TheMasterMind1 | have to change the library path for it to run. but, when it does finally run, no segfaults! |
| 06:19:49 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot message for kergoth: have to change the library path for it to run. but, when it does finally run, no segfaults! |
| 06:21:28 | TheMasterMind1 | alright guys |
| 06:21:28 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 06:21:38 | TheMasterMind1 | new OZ really really soooooooooon |
| 06:23:55 | stone | when you guys copy from to an sd card, what kind of transfer speeds do you see? |
| 07:09:51 | LordVan | PicoBot: oz prerelease |
| 07:09:52 | PicoBot | i heard oz prerelease was http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 07:17:01 | prpplague | evening there Onyx4 |
| 07:17:07 | LordVan | hi all |
| 07:17:38 | Onyx4 | man my system is so hosed |
| 07:17:57 | Onyx4 | I hope it's what I think the problem is cause otherwise I have no idea |
| 07:18:48 | LordVan | ? |
| 07:19:21 | Onyx4 | well my system gets failures to allocate memory |
| 07:19:29 | Onyx4 | and file copy hangs on big files |
| 07:19:45 | Onyx4 | I think what caused it is cause I added a swap partition but with same priority so that it's load-balanced |
| 07:22:47 | Onyx4 | so far it's working, crossing my fingers that it was that |
| 07:27:54 | LordVan | Onyx4: almost sounds like bad ram.. |
| 07:27:58 | LordVan | but swap might be too.. |
| 07:28:03 | LordVan | download memtest86 ;) |
| 07:30:18 | Onyx4 | nah my system was running fine before a) I changed to a new kernel and b) I added a striped swap |
| 07:30:21 | Onyx4 | so I think it's b) |
| 07:30:31 | Onyx4 | so far I've copied bunch of gigs and it hasn't hung |
| 07:37:40 | LordVan | :) |
| 07:37:57 | Onyx4 | mmm this is weird, now it hung up after, but then I closed a couples of windows, and the transfer resumed |
| 07:37:59 | Onyx4 | so weird |
| 07:38:30 | LordVan | maybe you should really test your hd and/or your ram for errors.. |
| 07:39:02 | Onyx4 | nah my system's been working fine forever, just started using this new kernel recently with xfs |
| 07:39:08 | Onyx4 | and it's got preempt+lowlatency |
| 07:39:14 | Onyx4 | so I'm thinking it's something to that |
| 07:39:21 | Onyx4 | now it hung up again |
| 07:40:50 | LordVan | Onyx4: xfs has some bugs .. |
| 07:40:54 | LordVan | Onyx4: i switched back to reiserfs.. |
| 07:40:55 | Onyx4 | I think I'm gonna hve to rebuild a standard kernel |
| 07:40:58 | LordVan | cuz i lost data with xfs.. |
| 07:41:02 | Onyx4 | and forget about lowlatency+preempt |
| 07:41:13 | LordVan | might be worth trying ;) |
| 07:41:24 | LordVan | is away(brb) |
| 07:42:59 | Onyx4 | that really sucks |
| 08:35:14 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 08:35:14 | AndyQ|Work | ibot oz prerelease |
| 09:45:48 | Onyx4 | opie doesn't build for me |
| 09:53:15 | prpplague | Onyx4: then don't try to build it :) |
| 09:55:44 | Onyx4 | I need do, I did a mrproper :) |
| 09:57:04 | Onyx4 | heh looks like what was causing my problem with xfs, was pre-empt |
| 09:57:12 | Onyx4 | everything I tried disabling and the problem was still there |
| 10:11:50 | coup | FYI, for anyone who is interested and here, not sleeping, I just got a mail back from Hancom RE Hancom Word, they recoomend using the Sharp ROM to use it without it Bus Erroring, but as so many people are looking to use OpenZaurus, they'll look into it. Excellent :) |
| 10:12:10 | coup | right, i'm late for work, later all |
| 11:50:32 | Gfx | hello |
| 11:50:51 | Twiun | yowdy |
| 11:50:57 | Gfx | does anyone use the FB-VNC server with Open Zaurus ? |
| 11:51:44 | datenpunk | hello I have a problem flushing my 5500G to openzaurus - am I right here? |
| 11:51:54 | Gfx | datenpunk : sure |
| 11:52:31 | datenpunk | gfx: thanks - when I follow all instructions I end up with both lights flushing (turning on and of) |
| 11:52:45 | Gfx | oki |
| 11:52:50 | Gfx | then ? |
| 11:53:34 | datenpunk | nothing happens - it would blink hours - nothing happens - the sharp rom stays |
| 11:54:31 | Gfx | does the leds ever turn off completly ? |
| 11:55:24 | datenpunk | no - not since the last 30 minutes |
| 11:55:29 | smad|w | Gfx: iirc there's a problem with fbvnc and oz and /dev/ts |
| 11:55:48 | Gfx | smad|w : argh, any way to work around it ? |
| 11:56:09 | Gfx | datenpunk : ooopss, that's a problem indeed. what did you put on your CF ? |
| 11:56:48 | datenpunk | I took initrd-2.9.5.5.bin and bootflag.txt from 2.9.5.5 (oz3 b10.5.5). |
| 11:56:54 | datenpunk | I took zImage-40-24 from 2.9.4 (oz3 b10.4) |
| 11:57:02 | datenpunk | yes I renamed the files :) |
| 11:57:08 | smad|w | someone was in here talking it over with TheMasterMind1 last night - cant remember who - a new ipkg to be released soon though |
| 11:57:12 | Gfx | these files are old |
| 11:57:40 | Gfx | datenpunk : donwload the files again here : http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021019_1642/ |
| 11:57:53 | smad|w | something to do with fbvnc moving /dev/ts but the kernel already having a filehandle for it so things break - cant remember exactly |
| 11:58:00 | Gfx | ok |
| 11:58:10 | Gfx | I really need this server |
| 11:58:33 | Gfx | because whenever I turn my Z off (suspend mode), then I turn it on back, it hangs when put on the craddle |
| 11:58:58 | Gfx | I can see it on my network only if I did not suspend it since the last reboot |
| 11:59:08 | Gfx | and that's quite annoying when I want to test some apps :) |
| 11:59:19 | datenpunk | GFX : this snapshot isn't there the latest are 20021011_1237/ 20021011_1518/ 20021011_1801/ |
| 12:00:05 | Gfx | sorry |
| 12:00:06 | Gfx | it was : http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 12:00:29 | datenpunk | thanks a lot - I#ll give it a try :) |
| 12:01:27 | Gfx | good luck :) |
| 12:06:26 | Gfx | hi |
| 12:06:32 | mrwoody | hi |
| 12:06:35 | | news is Python v2.2 Overhaul is coming to a head. |
| 12:06:35 | mrwoody | ibot: news |
| 12:06:44 | | oz prerelease is probably http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 12:06:44 | mrwoody | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 12:06:50 | | i think oz release is 2.9.5.5 was the last release, 3.0 will release really really soon. use prereleases for now. |
| 12:06:50 | mrwoody | ibot: oz release |
| 12:59:45 | datenpunk | hello - has anyone followed what I talked with GFX (sl-5500G flashing leds)? |
| 13:02:06 | datenpunk | ok - is there any guru who may help me with a strange behavior when flashing a sl-5500g? |
| 13:19:18 | datenpunk | ALL : Question - are there known problems when flashing with a 64 MB PQI card? |
| 13:21:05 | JasonNJ | reformat the card as fat-16 |
| 13:21:17 | JasonNJ | you might need to use fdisk to repartition |
| 13:21:20 | JasonNJ | then reformat |
| 13:21:26 | JasonNJ | then copy over the files |
| 13:21:30 | JasonNJ | then try flashing again |
| 13:21:54 | JasonNJ | fdisk can be downloaded from http://www.zauruszone.com/feed |
| 13:22:02 | JasonNJ | its an ipkg |
| 13:22:18 | JasonNJ | requires embeddedkonsole or terminal to run |
| 13:22:19 | AndyQ|Work | Does anyone know if IRDA on OZ works out of the box or do I need to install something extra - specifically beaming inages from WinXP to the Z? |
| 13:24:15 | datenpunk | JasonNJ : I did that - after mounting the device showed up as vfat - but that is because of the fstab I guess? |
| 13:31:22 | Twiun | hiya Jason |
| 14:27:05 | bipolar | hmmm..... very quiet in here.... |
| 14:27:27 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 14:27:27 | bipolar | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 14:27:38 | AndyQ|Work | shhhhhh - be vewy vewy qwiet we awe huntin wabbits...... |
| 14:28:27 | bipolar | heh |
| 14:30:24 | AndyQ|Work | seriously - we've got a whole heap of rabbits just outside our coffee bar here at work - fantasic while in boring meetings - something to do :) |
| 14:31:27 | AndyQ|Work | just need a shotgun and hey - rabbit stew :) |
| 14:37:41 | bipolar | AndyQ|Work: Why isn't your fixed package manager in the unstable feed? :) |
| 14:37:55 | bipolar | I still have the one with the upgrade bug. |
| 14:38:29 | AndyQ|Work | bipolar: coz no-ones rebuild it yet |
| 14:38:35 | AndyQ|Work | rebuilt |
| 14:38:55 | bipolar | well... thats logical... :) |
| 14:39:45 | AndyQ|Work | bipolar - version 0.6 (which is the latest code in CVS - just a different version number) is available from my feed - http://andyq.myby.co.uk/feed |
| 14:40:50 | AndyQ|Work | although for some reason my provider isn't letting me get to it at the moment :( |
| 14:41:37 | AndyQ|Work | or try the direct download - http://andyq.myby.co.uk in download section |
| 14:43:51 | Cranch | you can never win :P |
| 14:43:55 | Cranch | hehe |
| 14:44:37 | Cranch | anyone even awake? |
| 14:45:10 | Twiun | Yup |
| 14:45:17 | Cranch | sweet :) |
| 14:45:25 | Twiun | just waiting for my fish-and-chips to arrive |
| 14:45:28 | Piete | arghh! no 3.0 yet?! |
| 14:45:31 | Piete | :/ |
| 14:45:39 | Cranch | is there anyway to upgrade to the OZ 3 prerelease from an early one? |
| 14:45:51 | Cranch | apkg won't update my list of packages... |
| 14:46:51 | Cranch | I can get the Zauruszone feed up...but not the OZ3... |
| 14:48:04 | AndyQ|Work | Cranch: The feed has changed: try http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/official/unstable/feed |
| 14:48:46 | Piete | yo ljp_work |
| 14:49:18 | Cranch | thanks AndyQ|Work |
| 14:49:24 | AndyQ|Work | crach: np |
| 14:49:44 | ljp_work | what up? |
| 14:50:31 | Cranch | should I just exit opie to run the ipkg update/upgrade? |
| 14:51:16 | AndyQ|Work | I would - but be warned it will take a VERY VERY VERY long time (like about 1 - 1 1/2 hours) due to a jffs bug - its better and quicker to flash at the moment |
| 14:52:08 | Cranch | damn :) |
| 14:52:15 | Cranch | I already started it..oh well :P |
| 14:53:28 | Cranch | AndyQ|Work: I just did it and it restarted just fine... |
| 14:53:43 | Piete | yo AndyQ|Work |
| 14:54:28 | AndyQ|Work | lo Piete |
| 14:55:02 | fiftyvolts | Has anyone had an issue with the optimized version of OZ where ones $PATH is incorrect |
| 14:55:04 | Piete | I can not wait for OZ 3.0 anymore.. And I'm not gonna use the prerelease :( |
| 14:55:14 | fiftyvolts | (i'm with you Piete) |
| 14:56:06 | AndyQ|Work | Piete: why not use the prerelease? I have and its pretty good - only issue I have is it can lock if you resume while its on the cradle but there is an easy workaround for that (remove from cradle before resuming) |
| 14:57:02 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 14:57:18 | AndyQ|Work | lo |
| 14:57:32 | Dessimat0r | what other bugs were found in OZ? ;) |
| 14:57:33 | fiftyvolts | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:57:43 | Piete | lo Dessimat0r |
| 14:58:09 | Piete | AndyQ|Work: ok... How is its wireless? I can't find any details on its wireless guts.. |
| 14:58:35 | Dessimat0r | brb, getting Pot Newdle |
| 14:58:39 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 14:58:43 | AndyQ|Work | Unfortunatly I don't have wireless yet - but coup has just got an Netgear MA701 which works well and other reports say its fine |
| 14:59:11 | DaJoker | linksys works fine as well |
| 14:59:14 | Piete | AndyQ|Work: cool.. Do you perhaps know if it uses wlan_ng, or some other system? |
| 14:59:25 | DaJoker | uses an older version of hostap |
| 14:59:25 | Piete | DaJoker: cool! |
| 14:59:25 | AndyQ|Work | Piete: not a clue |
| 14:59:45 | Piete | DaJoker: hostap? ok, I'll check it out :) |
| 15:00:25 | AndyQ|Work | DaJoker: Quick question - can OZ currently receive files over irda (out of the box) or do I need to install something first - coz its not working sending a jpg from winXP (connection refuse d by Z) |
| 15:00:51 | DaJoker | I believe you need to obex-apps |
| 15:01:03 | DaJoker | to install that is |
| 15:01:39 | AndyQ|Work | Ahh - wasn't sure if obex was part of OZ and the apps were other things - I'll do that tonight (don't have cradle at work :( ) |
| 15:02:07 | Piete | DaJoker: cool! hostap looks nice! Does kismet work outofthebox with it? |
| 15:02:20 | DaJoker | Piete: it's been reported to, yes |
| 15:02:29 | DaJoker | I haven't actually played with it at all |
| 15:02:43 | Piete | awesome,, I just might flash prerelease right now :) |
| 15:03:20 | DaJoker | the prerelease really is stable.. |
| 15:03:47 | Piete | I'll just rtfm first :) |
| 15:04:27 | DaJoker | there won't be much of a difference between prerelease and 3.0.. just some aqpkg enhancements, and a non-segfaulting networksetup |
| 15:04:58 | AndyQ|Work | DaJoker - will the hang on resume (if Z in in cradle) be fixed? |
| 15:05:00 | DaJoker | and of course, any other opie fixes/enhancements that occur up until 3.0 is built |
| 15:05:33 | ljp_work | your Z suspends in the cradle? |
| 15:05:36 | DaJoker | AndyQ|Work: I'm not real sure as I'm not familiar with the issue.. I heard kergoth saying something about it, however, I'm not sure if he found a solution |
| 15:05:44 | Piete | ljp_work: mine never does |
| 15:06:41 | AndyQ|Work | ljp_work: yup my Zaurus suspends fine when in cradle, its just that if its in the cradle when you resume then it hangs when the USB connection is established and you have to soft boot - if you remove it from the cradle, resume and put back its fine |
| 15:07:14 | DaJoker | why would you suspend in the cradle? |
| 15:07:30 | Piete | AndyQ|Work: ahh, then it shouldnt happen to me.. I have to manualy initiate the USB connection (no hotplug here) |
| 15:08:46 | AndyQ|Work | DaJoker: When I want to switch it off and leave it to charge (overnight) |
| 15:09:10 | AndyQ|Work | This is under XP btw |
| 15:09:21 | Piete | ahh |
| 15:09:41 | AndyQ|Work | but I think Dessimat0r experiences it on Linux (but don't know which version) |
| 15:10:11 | Dessimat0r | I don't have Linux installed? |
| 15:10:12 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 15:10:21 | Dessimat0r | Windows XP I experience it on |
| 15:10:33 | Cranch | You should have linux installed... :P |
| 15:10:50 | Dessimat0r | i would have if the bloody thing would install with this RAID ;) |
| 15:11:02 | Piete | hehehe |
| 15:11:13 | Dessimat0r | tried Gentoo and Mandrake so far, both fail to install |
| 15:11:32 | Piete | Dessimat0r: Slack-ware! Slack-ware! :) Slackware rules :) |
| 15:11:37 | Dessimat0r | it dosen't have a driver for my Highpoint riad |
| 15:11:40 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 15:11:52 | Dessimat0r | I have been told by other people to 'make one' |
| 15:11:56 | Dessimat0r | heh, fat chance |
| 15:12:06 | Cranch | no shit :) |
| 15:12:10 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 15:12:27 | Piete | Dessimat0r: with slack you start with a very basic kernel, (no raid support), then you set it up after everything is installed... |
| 15:12:45 | Cranch | gentoo too :P |
| 15:12:48 | Cranch | don't leave me out! |
| 15:13:01 | Piete | :) |
| 15:13:09 | Piete | I have not yet tried gentoo |
| 15:14:33 | Cranch | I LOVE it |
| 15:15:04 | Piete | hmm, to flash OZ, i need zImage and initrd.bin on the CF root right? /mnt/cf/ ? |
| 15:15:08 | Cranch | anyone using tckRadio> |
| 15:15:18 | Cranch | Piete: and bootflag.txt |
| 15:16:02 | Piete | ok... |
| 15:16:05 | Piete | wish me luck.. |
| 15:17:11 | Cranch | good luck :) |
| 15:17:18 | AndyQ|Work | good luck. |
| 15:17:31 | Cranch | anyone seen these screenshots yet? |
| 15:17:31 | Cranch | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=9&t=4085&s=349098132fa122a55c71e8fa209943f5 |
| 15:17:32 | Piete | hehe |
| 15:17:37 | Cranch | of the Crystal Icons... |
| 15:18:10 | Dessimat0r | sweeet |
| 15:18:19 | Piete | hmm, for 2.9.5.5 (oz3 b10.5.5), I only see "initrd-2.9.5.5.bin", but no zImage..? |
| 15:18:20 | Cranch | no shit |
| 15:18:25 | Dessimat0r | maybe we can get the Opie team to use these instead of their icons |
| 15:18:34 | Piete | yea, its pretty (the crystal icons_) |
| 15:18:35 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 15:18:35 | Cranch | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 15:18:40 | Cranch | get the stuff in there... |
| 15:18:43 | Piete | k |
| 15:18:58 | Piete | ahh |
| 15:19:00 | Piete | better |
| 15:19:02 | Cranch | :) |
| 15:19:14 | Cranch | remember to rename your initrd and zimage to just initrd.bin and zImage |
| 15:19:19 | Cranch | it'll piss you off if you don't :) |
| 15:19:46 | Cranch | anyone made an ipkg of the icons yet? |
| 15:19:49 | Cranch | that'd be sweet :) |
| 15:20:08 | Cranch | i'm too lazy to browse through the 900+ icons in the folder to find ones I like... |
| 15:20:28 | Piete | Cranch: ehehe |
| 15:20:51 | Cranch | brb...got to run bring the girlfriend to an interview... |
| 15:20:54 | Cranch | be back in a few shakes... |
| 15:21:40 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 15:21:48 | Piete | does my CF card have to be a specific format? |
| 15:22:00 | Dessimat0r | fat16 |
| 15:22:08 | Piete | cool |
| 15:22:10 | Dessimat0r | your CF card should be in that anyway |
| 15:22:19 | Dessimat0r | from when you first got it |
| 15:24:01 | Piete | yea.. does the CF card have to be completely blank? (atm it contains a Documents and QtPalmto |
| 15:24:03 | NetNut404_work | so the one bug fix that is pending.... is that ipkg ? |
| 15:24:27 | Dessimat0r | Piete: it dosen't ;) |
| 15:24:32 | Piete | cool |
| 15:24:34 | xKallDrex | can I disable the ejection/insertion of the compactflas at every recovery from suspend/ |
| 15:30:22 | bipolar | wtf |
| 15:30:22 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 15:30:28 | Dessimat0r | netsplit |
| 15:31:58 | Piete | ok, flashing! |
| 15:32:01 | Twiun | loves rollercoasters |
| 15:32:14 | Piete | crosses his fingers |
| 15:32:31 | Piete | damn, the C + D + Full reset combination is a pain |
| 15:32:36 | jmhodges | lol yes it is |
| 15:32:40 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 15:32:45 | AndyQ|Work | yup - and my fingers are quite small |
| 15:32:54 | jmhodges | Piete: make sure you release Full Reset BEFORE C+D |
| 15:33:05 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:33:12 | jmhodges | morning kergoth |
| 15:33:16 | AndyQ|Work | morning kergoth |
| 15:33:20 | Piete | jmhodges: well, I don't know if i did,, I hope so :) |
| 15:33:25 | Piete | yo kergoth! |
| 15:33:30 | Piete | kergoth: sleep well? |
| 15:33:37 | Dessimat0r | lo kergoth |
| 15:33:45 | jmhodges | Piete: if you got two leds going your fine :) |
| 15:33:52 | Piete | they are on :) |
| 15:34:07 | kergoth | yeah, slept well |
| 15:34:12 | kergoth | so i hear networksetup no longer segfaults eh |
| 15:34:26 | bipolar | kergoth: good morning |
| 15:35:13 | Piete | ok, when the LEDs turn off, the flash is done? |
| 15:35:35 | AndyQ|Work | Piete: yes but don't forget to give it a full reset before switching back on |
| 15:35:39 | Piete | k |
| 15:35:43 | kergoth | morning AndyQ|Work |
| 15:35:54 | AndyQ|Work | morning - good weekend? |
| 15:36:15 | Piete | it works!!! |
| 15:36:20 | kergoth | pretty good, didnt do a damn productive thing, just drank and went out with friends and sat on my ass all weekend |
| 15:36:23 | kergoth | you? |
| 15:36:24 | AndyQ|Work | Piete: good |
| 15:36:46 | AndyQ|Work | kergoth: heh - yeah not bad - too much eating not enough drinking :) |
| 15:37:28 | AndyQ|Work | its nice not to do anything sometimes |
| 15:37:31 | Piete | The OZ boot logo is much prettier than the ugly 'SHARP' one :) |
| 15:38:05 | kergoth | AndyQ|Work: indeed |
| 15:38:06 | kergoth | hey roge99 |
| 15:38:17 | roge99 | hey kergoth ... hows things |
| 15:38:19 | NetNut404_work | Piete: That's for sure :) |
| 15:38:20 | scanline | kergoth: are there any color depth limitations on the boot logo? |
| 15:38:53 | kergoth | scanline: afaik, no. I'd say it has the same color depth as everything else on the Z. i'd have to check the code to be certain |
| 15:38:56 | kergoth | roge99: not bad, you? |
| 15:39:08 | scanline | kergoth: cool. I might contribute an antialiased version of that boot logo :) |
| 15:39:10 | roge99 | not bad |
| 15:39:47 | NetNut404_work | kergoth: you meanted at one point ppp via the serial cable should be easy enough to do even though there is no gui... what would I have to do? |
| 15:39:58 | kergoth | scanline: thatd be smooth :) |
| 15:40:06 | NetNut404_work | s/meanted/mentioned |
| 15:40:13 | Piete | weee, i'm in OZ :) |
| 15:40:15 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: what are you ppp'ing to? cell? |
| 15:40:17 | kergoth | Piete: congrats |
| 15:40:29 | NetNut404_work | kergoth: yes.. cell phone is also a modem |
| 15:40:44 | scanline | puns! ack! |
| 15:41:08 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: then you simply need to create a 'peer' in /etc/ppp/peers .. then pppd call [peername] |
| 15:41:23 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: man pppd to understand the syntax of that file. its basically the same syntax as the commandline of pppd |
| 15:41:31 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: also man chat to understand how to create a 'dialer' script |
| 15:41:59 | NetNut404_work | kergoth: ok.. will try it |
| 15:43:55 | scanline | hmm... |
| 15:44:06 | scanline | doesn't want to edit a diff full of hex values by hand |
| 15:44:25 | scanline | kergoth: how about a script that would generate this source file from a .ppm file at compile time? |
| 15:44:43 | Piete | ok, the Z still uses 192.168.129.201? |
| 15:45:00 | kergoth | scanline: thatd be easy enough. that sort of thing is done all over the source tree.. it compiles a util to generate the files from the .map for the keyboard drivers, does the same thing for the pci_ids |
| 15:45:05 | Piete | yes, it does :_ |
| 15:45:06 | Piete | :) |
| 15:45:10 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 15:45:13 | scanline | kergoth: ok |
| 15:46:20 | Piete | damn,, I'm sshing into a PDA :) |
| 15:46:35 | AndyQ|Work | Piete: told you its good |
| 15:47:24 | JasonNJ- | the ssh/scp is a nice thing to have. |
| 15:47:27 | Piete | will my old qtopiadesktop work with it? |
| 15:47:41 | Piete | the 'sync' button does not light up.. |
| 15:47:45 | JasonNJ- | personally I wish the syncing stuff worked over scp |
| 15:48:18 | Dessimat0r | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source/QtopiaDesktopSetupBeta2.exe |
| 15:48:21 | Dessimat0r | get this |
| 15:48:28 | Piete | for linux? |
| 15:48:34 | AndyQ|Work | I downloaded it last night - any good? |
| 15:48:34 | Dessimat0r | oh |
| 15:48:36 | Dessimat0r | for windows ;) |
| 15:48:48 | Dessimat0r | yeah, it works fine on the latest OZ |
| 15:48:59 | Piete | k,, I'll d/l it |
| 15:49:02 | Dessimat0r | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/qtopia-desktop-1.6.0beta2-1.i386.rpm |
| 15:49:05 | Dessimat0r | linux version |
| 15:49:33 | Piete | thanks |
| 15:50:11 | Piete | pats rpm2tgz |
| 15:52:08 | Piete | well, it certainly has a much more sane fs layout :) |
| 15:54:38 | Piete | brb |
| 15:55:24 | scanline | kergoth: does OZ already depend on perl? |
| 15:56:21 | scanline | never mind |
| 15:56:25 | Piete | hmm I just installed the qtopia desktop, but for some reason, it looks like tkc/tcl or something :/ very ugly |
| 15:56:36 | Piete | and i still can't connect to the Z with it |
| 15:56:45 | Piete | I can ping the zaurus tho.. |
| 15:57:18 | Piete | ahh wait,, now it may work.. |
| 16:00:10 | | hmmm... oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 16:00:10 | bipolar | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 16:00:26 | Piete | It won't connect to my Z... Any ideas? |
| 16:01:21 | Piete | I launch qtopiadesktop, it says "Trying to connect to PDA" then the Z's screen lights up.. but the sync button does not activate? |
| 16:02:12 | Piete | hmm, my whole qt is messed up for some reason,, even Opera looks like tcl/tkc |
| 16:02:27 | AndyQ|Work | Off home - workday over (hoorah) bbl |
| 16:03:12 | Piete | brb - reboot |
| 16:07:13 | Piete | it still does not work.. |
| 16:07:18 | Piete | am I missing something here? |
| 16:08:04 | jmhodges | Piete: you have usbdnet installed and loaded? |
| 16:08:20 | Piete | yea, I can ping the Z, and ssh to it etc.. |
| 16:08:29 | Piete | everything works fine.. just qtopia desktop.. |
| 16:08:55 | jmhodges | sgrugs |
| 16:09:55 | Piete | you mean usbd on the Z itself? |
| 16:10:46 | jmhodges | nono |
| 16:10:56 | Piete | hmm |
| 16:11:00 | jmhodges | ooo@ |
| 16:11:03 | Piete | dmesg has an error |
| 16:11:05 | jmhodges | nope thats not it |
| 16:11:16 | jmhodges | err.. what error Piete? |
| 16:11:32 | Piete | NETDEV WATCHDOG: usbd0: transmit timed out |
| 16:11:32 | Piete | usbd_rcv_complete: RECV_ERROR actual: 0 buffer: 1538 status: 32 |
| 16:11:32 | Piete | net_recv_urb: TOO LARGE urb->actual_length: 1959936 maxtransfer: 1582 |
| 16:11:32 | Piete | netproto_rx_fifo_error: 0 1 1 1 |
| 16:11:32 | Piete | usbd_device_bh: recv_urb failed |
| 16:11:40 | Piete | about 3 of those |
| 16:14:06 | Piete | anyone? |
| 16:28:07 | xKallDrex | chouimat hey |
| 16:28:09 | xKallDrex | chouimat you there? |
| 16:28:10 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:28:23 | chouimat | yup just woke up :) |
| 16:28:29 | xKallDrex | good |
| 16:28:33 | xKallDrex | :) |
| 16:30:23 | neale | mornin' |
| 16:32:35 | fiftyvolts | is back (gone 01:35:03) |
| 16:34:12 | Piete | I now my usb interface won't work anymore.. the Z set it to 0.0.0.0, and it won't set it to its real address |
| 16:34:24 | AndyQ | Piete: Hows it going? |
| 16:34:31 | Piete | not so good |
| 16:34:41 | Piete | qtopiadesktop won't work with it :/ |
| 16:34:53 | xKallDrex | anyone knwo how to make oz stop ejecting/inserting my cf after every suspend? |
| 16:35:00 | AndyQ | Have you set the IP in QTDesktop? |
| 16:35:10 | neale | I think it has to, Kall. |
| 16:35:54 | Piete | AndyQ: ok, at least I can ping my Zaurus again :) *phew* |
| 16:36:10 | AndyQ | Piete: Have you set the IP address in QTDesktop settings? |
| 16:36:13 | Piete | AndyQ: yea, its set on qtdesk,, the Zaurus's screen even lights up when I launch it |
| 16:36:21 | xKallDrex | neale but sharp rom doesn't |
| 16:36:21 | AndyQ | Piete: whats it set to? |
| 16:36:33 | Piete | 192.168.129.201 i think.. |
| 16:36:51 | neale | you mean the little message comes up saying a new CF has been inserted? |
| 16:37:18 | Piete | AndyQ: yup thats the address |
| 16:37:19 | xKallDrex | neale no i mean how when you come out of suspend oz ejects your cf card then has cardmon "reinsert" it |
| 16:37:28 | xKallDrex | neale so it disrupts my games all the time when i suspend |
| 16:37:38 | AndyQ | Piete: Hmmm - thats what mine is set to - Windows or Linux? |
| 16:37:48 | Piete | AndyQ: linux |
| 16:37:54 | kergoth | xKallDrex: no, it doesnt |
| 16:38:07 | kergoth | xKallDrex: cardmon was picking up a false eject/insert on resume |
| 16:38:12 | Piete | AndyQ: I get some messages with dmesg on the Z when I open qtdesk.. wanna see them? |
| 16:38:28 | fiftyvolts | is away: I'm busy |
| 16:38:30 | AndyQ | Well, v1.5 works on Windows - haven't tried 1.6 but will do now.... |
| 16:38:54 | Piete | AndyQ: I'll try 1.5 too, maybe it will work better.. |
| 16:39:07 | Piete | I'm using 1.6B2 right now |
| 16:39:48 | neale | oh, I'm not sure. I know it ought to be forcing a hard unmount when you suspend, but I don't know why it'd be ejecting and reinserting it on resume. |
| 16:40:07 | xKallDrex | neale but i dont' want it to unmount it |
| 16:40:11 | kergoth | neale: no, it shouldnt. |
| 16:40:12 | xKallDrex | cause that's what disrupts my game |
| 16:40:18 | kergoth | it should not be unmounting |
| 16:40:28 | neale | I thought I read somewhere that it did. |
| 16:40:28 | kergoth | its causes a cardmgr suspend/resume event |
| 16:40:32 | kergoth | NOT a eject/insert event |
| 16:40:37 | scanline | now has a cleaned up logo and a utility to convert to and from the .c file |
| 16:40:41 | kergoth | cardctl suspend, not cardctl eject |
| 16:40:46 | xKallDrex | kergoth so then why does cardmon say "ejected cf" then "inserting cf" |
| 16:40:49 | scanline | gets some breakfast |
| 16:40:51 | neale | nods |
| 16:40:52 | AndyQ | Piete: 1.6 Installed and worked straight away |
| 16:40:58 | kergoth | xKallDrex: i just told you |
| 16:41:01 | AndyQ | Piete: Just a thought, did you set the security up to Any? |
| 16:41:04 | kergoth | xKallDrex: it picked up a *false* ejection/insertion |
| 16:41:09 | Piete | AndyQ: where? |
| 16:41:11 | kergoth | xKallDrex: and the current one in cvs doesnt do that anymore |
| 16:41:14 | xKallDrex | kergoth is there a way to stop it though because it's annoying and disrupts my game |
| 16:41:16 | xKallDrex | ahh |
| 16:41:30 | xKallDrex | kergoth whats the cvs for oz? or when will it be a prerelease/release |
| 16:41:31 | AndyQ | Piete: On Zaurus, select Settings tab and bring up Security app |
| 16:41:36 | kergoth | does the game work fine through a suspend/resume even when installed to mtdram or root? |
| 16:41:46 | kergoth | (i.e. is this exclusively a card behavior) |
| 16:41:48 | Piete | AndyQ: ok, i set it to any.. lemme try again.. |
| 16:41:50 | AndyQ | Piete: In accept sync from - select Any |
| 16:42:01 | kergoth | xKallDrex: the cardmon fix is in *opie* cvs, but will be in the oz release |
| 16:42:08 | Piete | AndyQ: I love you!! |
| 16:42:20 | Piete | AndyQ: thanks! |
| 16:42:21 | AndyQ | Piete: np (and don't tell my wife :) |
| 16:42:25 | Piete | lol |
| 16:42:39 | xKallDrex | kergoth I havent' trie,d i have a 5kd so i sue zImage30-0 so that exult has enough memory to run |
| 16:42:56 | xKallDrex | so i don't have enough room to put games on |
| 16:43:00 | kergoth | xKallDrex: gotcha. i'm not certain where the problem lies in that case. do you have any other games or apps exhibiting this behavior? |
| 16:43:22 | xKallDrex | kergoth yea lal my games, let me try putting reversi on root and see if the same thing happens |
| 16:43:25 | kergoth | and what exactly is the behavior? what happens to the game when you go through a suspend/resume? |
| 16:43:28 | kergoth | okay |
| 16:43:29 | Piete | for some reason my entire QT system got messed up when I installed Qtopia Desktop 1.6B2.. everything looks like 'old X' now |
| 16:43:49 | xKallDrex | kergoth when i come onto resume it just closes the application right when it says ejecting cf |
| 16:44:26 | Piete | but I can live with that |
| 16:44:29 | xKallDrex | kergoth don't have the ipkg on my cf atm, i'll test it out when i get home |
| 16:44:42 | noda | Moo! |
| 16:45:12 | kergoth | xKallDrex: okay, let me know what the results are, i'm very interested in this |
| 16:45:16 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 16:45:22 | xKallDrex | kergoth will do |
| 16:45:30 | noda | kergoth: Woo, what are the new bugs? :) |
| 16:45:36 | kergoth | good question |
| 16:45:45 | kergoth | with netowrksetup working there may not be any |
| 16:45:48 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 16:45:48 | AndyQ | ibot oz prerelease |
| 16:45:50 | kergoth | i need to check the bug tracker |
| 16:45:55 | noda | Fun :) |
| 16:45:59 | AndyQ | heh |
| 16:48:12 | Piete | ok, I'm trying to install kismet 2.6.1, but I get this |
| 16:48:13 | Piete | # ipkg install kismet_zaurus_2.6.1_arm.ipk |
| 16:48:14 | Piete | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for kismet: |
| 16:48:14 | Piete | libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 16:48:16 | noda | kergoth: Where are the instructions for bootflag.txt? :) |
| 16:48:20 | kergoth | Piete: dont use that package |
| 16:48:26 | kergoth | Piete: use the one we built |
| 16:48:30 | kergoth | noda: sharp's flashing instructions |
| 16:48:38 | Piete | kergoth: ok... where can I find it? |
| 16:48:39 | kergoth | noda: the link is in the original INSTALL or FAQ, i forget which |
| 16:48:53 | noda | kergoth: I'm on Sharp's flashing instructions, did a search for "bootflag" and it came up nil. |
| 16:49:03 | kergoth | noda: hold on |
| 16:49:08 | noda | http://myzaurus.com/ROMupdate3.asp |
| 16:49:13 | kergoth | no |
| 16:49:13 | chouimat | kergoth: noda: mornin' |
| 16:49:19 | kergoth | those arent the flashing instructions |
| 16:49:22 | kergoth | those are the update instructions |
| 16:49:29 | kergoth | ii mean the original instructions |
| 16:49:33 | kergoth | which talked about c+d + full reset |
| 16:49:39 | kergoth | the url in FAQ or INSTALL, like i said |
| 16:49:42 | noda | Oh, okay. |
| 16:50:10 | noda | Got it :) |
| 16:50:15 | neale | aoeuaoeuaoeuaoeumoaestuhasoetuh |
| 16:50:15 | neale | aoeu |
| 16:50:19 | neale | soory |
| 16:50:21 | kergoth | neale: ? |
| 16:50:25 | kergoth | cat? |
| 16:50:32 | neale | no, IRC client program |
| 16:50:32 | noda | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/download/readme/readme_romimage112.asp -- no "bootflag" on that one either. *searches the README* |
| 16:50:34 | chouimat | kl;wejpv4 357905iu ujo eruiouyoieryueyopyua'egcuop[pg'uagugwrg' |
| 16:50:35 | neale | no |
| 16:50:44 | chouimat | cat :) |
| 16:50:45 | Piete | kergoth: where can I get the kismet you built? |
| 16:50:49 | neale | bootflag isn't in sharp's instructions |
| 16:50:54 | Piete | hello chouimat :) |
| 16:50:58 | neale | sharp wants you to install OSPACK |
| 16:51:00 | kergoth | neale: yes, it is. |
| 16:51:03 | neale | it is? |
| 16:51:03 | kergoth | neale: no, it doesnt. |
| 16:51:07 | neale | *boggle* |
| 16:51:10 | kergoth | i'm talking about the *flashing* instructions |
| 16:51:13 | neale | I didn't see it. |
| 16:51:18 | AndyQ | Piete: in http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/official/unstable/feed/ |
| 16:51:19 | kergoth | its not on myzaurus.com |
| 16:51:22 | kergoth | its on the developer site |
| 16:51:26 | Piete | AndyQ: ok, thanks :) |
| 16:51:28 | kergoth | per the sharp developer program |
| 16:51:39 | neale | the one in the INSTALL |
| 16:51:45 | kergoth | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 16:52:09 | neale | no bootflag in there. |
| 16:52:12 | kergoth | huh? |
| 16:52:24 | kergoth | god i hate holding people's hands |
| 16:52:25 | neale | unless I mistyped "boot" :) |
| 16:52:25 | noda | I still can't find it :) |
| 16:52:28 | kergoth | just let me paste the damn thing |
| 16:52:34 | noda | rofl |
| 16:52:35 | neale | od |
| 16:52:38 | neale | gah |
| 16:52:46 | noda | Why don't I just say "delete any file named bootflag.txt" :P |
| 16:52:46 | neale | don't do it on my account |
| 16:52:51 | neale | I already know how to flash it |
| 16:52:59 | kergoth | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/source/build_image238.asp |
| 16:53:04 | kergoth | far bottom of the page |
| 16:53:17 | noda | AH! Thanks :) |
| 16:53:18 | kergoth | the section entitled |
| 16:53:30 | kergoth | "Overwriting the built image to flashROM" |
| 16:53:46 | neale | huh. |
| 16:53:47 | kergoth | you're right, it was on a different page from the flash instructions page |
| 16:53:48 | noda | Do users really need to know about this? Maybe I could put a FAQ? |
| 16:53:51 | kergoth | same site |
| 16:53:56 | kergoth | noda: yes, this should be an faq |
| 16:54:03 | noda | Okay. |
| 16:54:04 | kergoth | noda: in the instructions just say grab it and put it on the Cf |
| 16:54:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:54:13 | neale | hey noda, you're the FAQ guy? |
| 16:54:25 | kergoth | the "what is this bootflag.txt for anyway?" is a pretty common question |
| 16:54:28 | noda | neale: I wrote the program, I don't want to be the one to maintain them :) |
| 16:54:29 | noda | Yep |
| 16:54:31 | neale | I submitted something but I don't know if it got through. |
| 16:54:38 | noda | neale: I'll check it out. |
| 16:54:47 | kergoth | we need more people doing approvals and maintainance of the faq db |
| 16:54:49 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:54:51 | AndyQ | noda: too late - as soon as you admit resposibility - wait for the sandbag! |
| 16:54:58 | noda | There are no FAQs needing approval :) |
| 16:55:00 | kergoth | AndyQ: i hate that. that happens to me all the time |
| 16:55:03 | neale | I'll resubmit it. |
| 16:55:10 | kergoth | I never admit knowledge of anything anymore |
| 16:55:15 | kergoth | nope, i dont know how to do that |
| 16:55:16 | noda | kergoth: lol |
| 16:55:16 | kergoth | no idea |
| 16:55:23 | AndyQ | yeah - only solution - don't do anything that you can't easily deny responsibilty for :) |
| 16:55:43 | kergoth | ../interfaces/interfacesetupimp.h:4: interfacesetup.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:55:46 | kergoth | In file included from wlanimp.cpp:20: |
| 16:55:46 | kergoth | stupid fucking thing |
| 16:55:48 | noda | Before approving, admins should make sure it's valid XHTML... I think I should stress that somewhere, there are a lot that were simply approved. |
| 16:55:50 | Piete | where can I get the options to pass to kismet_monitor? It does not seem to have a --help |
| 16:55:51 | kergoth | beats sanity into opie's buildroot |
| 16:56:00 | kergoth | s/root/system/ |
| 16:56:13 | noda | neale: You probably submitted at a time when the whole thing was broken :) |
| 16:56:35 | ciaolinux | morning |
| 16:56:42 | kergoth | hey ciaolinux |
| 16:56:44 | kergoth | brb, caffeine run |
| 16:56:49 | AndyQ | lo cioalinux |
| 16:56:49 | ciaolinux | hi kergoth: any news? |
| 16:57:31 | | somebody said chouimat was probably someone looking for a girlfriend or Bob's owner |
| 16:57:31 | ciaolinux | ibot: chouimat |
| 16:57:41 | | chouimat was last seen on #openzaurus 6 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: cat :) [Mon Oct 28 09:50:44 2002] |
| 16:57:41 | ciaolinux | ibot: seen chouimat |
| 16:57:42 | chouimat | ciaolinux: yes |
| 16:57:45 | AndyQ | ciaolinux: Putin has vowed to crush rebels |
| 16:57:45 | ciaolinux | chouimat: hi |
| 16:57:48 | noda | chouimat: moo :) |
| 16:57:57 | ciaolinux | chouimat: did you write the new minix fs? |
| 16:58:24 | chouimat | ciaolinux: currently too much works |
| 16:58:32 | ciaolinux | AndyQ: yeah i have read that... how about konqueror |
| 16:59:10 | AndyQ | I have no news on konqueror expect it works if you install it manually - the deb ipk doesn't install |
| 16:59:16 | chouimat | and I need to take my first coffee |
| 16:59:17 | AndyQ | and I have no idea why |
| 16:59:33 | Piete | kismet_hopper keeps telling me "Error for wireless request "Set Frequency" (8B04) : |
| 16:59:34 | Piete | SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument." |
| 16:59:40 | ciaolinux | AndyQ: did you install it on root or on a cf card |
| 17:00:24 | AndyQ | neither - I can'haven't installed it (ipkg won't touch it) - I think NetNut404 installed it manually but not sure where to |
| 17:02:39 | kergoth | BZFlag: morning tim |
| 17:03:23 | noda | BZFlag: Hallo! I've been meaning to ask you something for a while :) |
| 17:03:50 | noda | BZFlag: What do you think the likelihood would be of a PHP script communicating with ibot? :) |
| 17:04:17 | ciaolinux | my firewire host adapter conflicts either with the modem or with the usb port ... how to teach a linux box how to choose irqs? |
| 17:04:20 | kergoth | noda: rename 'admin' in the 'admin' table to 'users' or something. it looks funny seeing 'admin' under 'admin' :) |
| 17:04:22 | BZFlag | noda: for queries over the web? |
| 17:04:33 | noda | BZFlag: Yep |
| 17:04:38 | kergoth | noda: also, change 'faq' to 'faqs', or change categories to category, it not consistent |
| 17:04:47 | noda | kergoth: Oh yeah, I meant to do that :) |
| 17:04:48 | BZFlag | should be fairly easy. |
| 17:04:50 | kergoth | other than that the site is looking great |
| 17:04:56 | noda | kergoth: Thanks! :) |
| 17:05:04 | chouimat | OT anyone have a Lego Mindstorm kit? |
| 17:05:22 | ciaolinux | chouimat: what is that? |
| 17:05:28 | ciaolinux | chouimat: are you expert of irqs? |
| 17:05:32 | noda | kergoth: Fixed, will show up on next commit :) |
| 17:05:39 | kergoth | ibot: message for themastermind1: networksetup compiles now, update your cvs |
| 17:05:39 | chouimat | ciaolinux: Robot kit |
| 17:05:41 | noda | BZFlag: How would I go about doing that? :) |
| 17:05:42 | scanline | chouimat: yep, though not here |
| 17:05:53 | chouimat | scanline: worth the price? |
| 17:05:58 | kergoth | noda: I think I'll revamp our overview today |
| 17:06:00 | kergoth | update it |
| 17:06:07 | AndyQ | kergoth: many more bugs to fix before OZ 3 release? |
| 17:06:14 | ciaolinux | kergoth: when is oz3 coming out? |
| 17:06:17 | | source is at http://www.handhelds.org/sources.html or my source is at http://oss.lineo.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb/infobot/ |
| 17:06:17 | BZFlag | ibot source |
| 17:06:21 | kergoth | AndyQ: not many. in fact, i could probably release it today |
| 17:06:29 | ciaolinux | kergoth: nice |
| 17:06:30 | kergoth | but theres a couple things I'd like to check on to confirm everything is sane |
| 17:06:35 | noda | kergoth: Sounds like a good idea - you can just check it out and go nuts, won't conflict with anything :) |
| 17:06:36 | chouimat | ciaolinux: yuo have irqs prob? |
| 17:06:37 | kergoth | so i'm updating my buildroot atm |
| 17:06:37 | AndyQ | kergoth: we're not worthy, we're not worthy :) |
| 17:06:39 | kergoth | noda: great |
| 17:06:48 | kergoth | now one thing i'd like to dig into |
| 17:06:56 | kergoth | is that opie hangs on suspend/resume in cradle situation |
| 17:07:00 | scanline | rummages through the kernel Makefile hoping for a new boot logo for OZ3 |
| 17:07:03 | AndyQ | YES YES YES YES!! |
| 17:07:16 | ciaolinux | chouimat: yes... do you know how to remap them? |
| 17:07:18 | BZFlag | noda: grab ibot source from http://oss.lineo.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb/infobot/ and try using the same db format in a script. |
| 17:07:20 | Piete | damn,, I'm still not getting any nets :/ |
| 17:07:22 | chouimat | ciaolinux: no |
| 17:07:27 | kergoth | scanline: hehe. drivers/video/LogoScreen.c |
| 17:07:32 | AndyQ | only coz I keep forgetting to take it out before resuming :) |
| 17:07:51 | scanline | kergoth: I know. I have a new logo, and a C program to convert between formats now, I just have to make the OZ package use it |
| 17:08:14 | Piete | anyone know if pico is ported to ARM? |
| 17:08:16 | chouimat | scanline: give me give me give me |
| 17:08:38 | scanline | chouimat: I'll push them into bitkeeper as soon as it's in this makefile and tested |
| 17:08:48 | noda | BZFlag: Okay, should be simple enough. But I need to use *this* ibot, which knows all the stuff kergoth etc tell it :) |
| 17:08:48 | kergoth | AndyQ: hehe |
| 17:08:48 | neale | ah, that FAQ submit worked much better |
| 17:08:48 | noda | BZFlag: Is the DB available online, so I could grab it nightly or something? |
| 17:08:48 | neale | I'm starting to really distrust mozilla. |
| 17:08:49 | noda | neale: Why? |
| 17:08:49 | BZFlag | noda: right. get the script to work, then send it to me. |
| 17:08:49 | noda | neale: Works fine. |
| 17:08:49 | kergoth | scanline: ah gotcha. remove the LogoScreen.c change in the colliefb patch, and put your own patch in |
| 17:08:49 | noda | BZFlag: Heh, okay... ooh, phone |
| 17:08:50 | kergoth | scanline: will the animation still work? |
| 17:08:59 | neale | not for me |
| 17:09:00 | neale | frequently pages come up blank and form submissions hork. |
| 17:09:09 | chouimat | scanline: ok. is the mindstorm worth the price? |
| 17:09:09 | scanline | kergoth: I didn't change any code, just the image array, so animation should still work |
| 17:09:31 | scanline | chouimat: I'd say so. There are a ton of things you can do with them, especially with tools like nqc and LegOS |
| 17:10:06 | chouimat | scanline: I plan to use them to build a prototype for a big system |
| 17:11:44 | neale | and SSL has never worked for me here at work |
| 17:11:49 | neale | plus, it's a pig. |
| 17:11:50 | neale | and it smells funny. |
| 17:11:50 | neale | so there. |
| 17:11:50 | kergoth | scanline: okay, cool |
| 17:11:55 | noda | back. |
| 17:12:03 | neale | ah, great, a cross compiler. |
| 17:13:20 | noda | neale: Hrm, this is weird - I'd swear that question is already on the FAQ :) |
| 17:13:20 | neale | ?? |
| 17:13:20 | noda | neale: It's not though. Thanks for the submission :) |
| 17:13:21 | neale | oh, man |
| 17:13:21 | neale | don't scare me like that on a monday |
| 17:13:29 | neale | my grasp on reality is tenuous enough already |
| 17:13:42 | noda | neale: Okay, it's there :) |
| 17:13:55 | scanline | compiles a new kernel |
| 17:14:06 | NetNut404_work | anyone here use ssl with konq ? |
| 17:14:07 | noda | ACK! I got rid of my whole bootflag FAQ! |
| 17:14:55 | neale | I think I'm going to take copious notes as I set this thing up |
| 17:14:55 | neale | which means my next FAQ submission will be about the hardware clock :) |
| 17:14:59 | Piete | whats the difference between the US 802.11b channels and the international ones? |
| 17:15:04 | noda | Man, I'm so stupid. *writes it again* |
| 17:15:14 | neale | noda: it happens to everyone. |
| 17:15:33 | NetNut404_work | constantly gets prompted to accept a key when browing ssl site via konq |
| 17:15:41 | neale | Piete: if nobody else has a better answer, I'd guess it's the frequencies. |
| 17:16:01 | AndyQ | kergoth: If I wanted to setup my linux system to build OZ - is it easy to do and will it fuck up my already working cross-compiler (which isn't the one suggested by ibot) |
| 17:16:02 | neale | Since the EU doesn't have to go through the FCC for frequency allocations :) |
| 17:16:48 | Piete | neale: heh, no kidding :) |
| 17:16:54 | Piete | neale: ok.. |
| 17:17:04 | Piete | neale: thanks |
| 17:17:17 | neale | well, don't take that as authoritative |
| 17:17:26 | neale | I hardly ever know what the heck I'm talking about. |
| 17:17:39 | Piete | Error for wireless request "Set Frequency" (8B04) : |
| 17:17:39 | Piete | SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. |
| 17:17:42 | kergoth | neale: what about the hardware clock? |
| 17:17:52 | Piete | I get that when I try and tell my card to use international freqs |
| 17:17:54 | noda | Okay, got bootflag.txt in the faq :) |
| 17:18:06 | kergoth | noda: thanks |
| 17:18:07 | noda | Now to look at ibot :) |
| 17:18:12 | neale | well, my Z thinks it's an hour earlier, and that it's 2001, and I can't seem to convince it otherwise. |
| 17:18:15 | kergoth | noda: did you drop a mention of it into the install guide yet? |
| 17:18:20 | kergoth | just to tell them to put it on the cf |
| 17:18:25 | neale | when I suspend it goes back to the old time |
| 17:18:38 | noda | kergoth: yes. |
| 17:18:44 | kergoth | great |
| 17:19:15 | kergoth | AndyQ: nope, wont be a problem. just ensure the crosscopmiler is in the path and all will be well |
| 17:19:29 | xKallDrex | kergoth arg it currupted my save game |
| 17:19:29 | kergoth | neale: i havent been able to reproduce that problem yet |
| 17:19:30 | AndyQ | kergoth: easy to setup (any instructions?) |
| 17:19:38 | neale | huh |
| 17:19:45 | neale | here's how I reproduce it |
| 17:19:46 | kergoth | AndyQ: just grab a snapshot or it from bk, and read docs/BUILD |
| 17:19:47 | | i heard oz bk was bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
| 17:19:47 | kergoth | ibot oz bk |
| 17:19:47 | noda | BZFlag: What's the CVSROOT to infobot? :) |
| 17:20:05 | neale | I set the time to something else, suspend, then resume. The time is back where it was before I changed it. |
| 17:20:24 | kergoth | neale: yes, i understand what the beahvior is |
| 17:20:36 | neale | hm |
| 17:20:49 | neale | the 'hwclock' program gives an error, btw |
| 17:20:51 | AndyQ | kergoth: http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot is unavailable - can I get snapshot from sourceforge.net/snapshots? |
| 17:20:54 | kergoth | neale: either 1) the setsystemtime is failing, or 2) it fails to echo a 'W' to the atd trigger file, or 3) atd isnt responding to the W |
| 17:20:57 | kergoth | neale: yes, i knew that too |
| 17:21:04 | neale | I assume that's because busybox is targetted to wintel |
| 17:21:07 | kergoth | neale: atd grabs the rtc device, hwclock cant access it while its running |
| 17:21:09 | kergoth | neale: no. |
| 17:21:12 | neale | ah |
| 17:21:13 | kergoth | neale: hwclock works flawlessly |
| 17:21:15 | noda | kergoth: I'm pretty sure it's 3). |
| 17:21:22 | kergoth | noda: as aam i. atd is crap. |
| 17:21:26 | noda | Heh |
| 17:21:30 | kergoth | easy enough to test |
| 17:21:34 | neale | I can test that |
| 17:21:38 | kergoth | neale: 1) set the time in systemtime in opie |
| 17:21:43 | kergoth | neale: 2) check the output of 'date' |
| 17:21:43 | Piete | awwwww :( I can't get kismet to work right with my DFC-650W :/ |
| 17:21:55 | kergoth | neale: if the time is accurate in date, teh setsystemtime worked |
| 17:22:09 | neale | yes |
| 17:22:09 | kergoth | neale: in which case its either 2) or 3) of the possible sources of the problem that i listed |
| 17:22:14 | neale | the time is accurate from date |
| 17:22:25 | kergoth | then either the trigger file is screwy |
| 17:22:29 | kergoth | or atd isnt getting the command |
| 17:22:30 | kergoth | try this |
| 17:22:35 | noda | BZFlag: n/m, found it :) |
| 17:22:36 | kergoth | echo "W" > /var/spool/at/trigger |
| 17:23:03 | | AndyQ: huh? |
| 17:23:03 | AndyQ | ibot oz snapshotoz bitkeeper |
| 17:23:09 | | bitkeeper is at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ or at http://www.bitmover.com/ or hosted trees at http://www.bkbits.net/ or like cvs and subversion, but its non-opensource.. but its really good, even linus uses it to develop the kernel! |
| 17:23:09 | AndyQ | ibot bitkeeper |
| 17:23:55 | neale | no go |
| 17:24:12 | neale | I echo W to trigger, suspend, resume, old time is back |
| 17:25:59 | Piete | do I need to install libpcap for kismet? |
| 17:26:18 | kergoth | neale: give it a second, i'm not sure what the delay is between "W" and the actual write to the hwclock |
| 17:26:24 | kergoth | Piete: not in current kismet packages for oz, no |
| 17:26:37 | neale | I restarted atd and it works now |
| 17:26:39 | Piete | kergoth: thanks |
| 17:27:22 | kergoth | hmm, 2.5.44 is feeling pretty solid |
| 17:27:29 | kergoth | too bad the megaraid driver doesnt compile atm |
| 17:28:01 | neale | yay, time is fixed |
| 17:28:27 | noda | Why don't we just release OZ and put that in the FAQ: If it's forgetting your time, restart atd :P |
| 17:28:32 | neale | OKs a zillion datebook alarms |
| 17:28:39 | kergoth | noda: hehe |
| 17:28:45 | kergoth | neale: lol |
| 17:28:46 | BZFlag | noda: probably a better idea to do a perl script instead of a php script as you would then be using the same versions of the DB library interface. |
| 17:28:50 | kergoth | hey cranch |
| 17:29:15 | BZFlag | noda: you could include all the build in stuff too effectively running ibot as a cgi script. |
| 17:29:22 | neale | thanks kergoth |
| 17:29:40 | BZFlag | er built in... |
| 17:29:45 | noda | BZFlag: Maybe... I'm really unfamiliar with perl's DB stuff :) |
| 17:30:21 | BZFlag | what are you thinking about for adding all the other ibot functions then? ignoring them? |
| 17:30:46 | noda | All I really want to do is answer questions. For example, I have a text bot and somebody puts in "oz prerelease". I want to output: |
| 17:30:48 | | somebody said oz prerelease was http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 17:30:48 | noda | ibot oz prerelease |
| 17:30:51 | noda | <-- that |
| 17:31:15 | noda | Pretty friggin' simple, I hope :) |
| 17:31:15 | BZFlag | noda: and what if they do... |
| 17:31:19 | neale | you could write the cgi as an IRC client ;) |
| 17:31:22 | BZFlag | ibot nslookup rikers.org |
| 17:31:22 | | rikers.org is 166.70.15.250 |
| 17:31:36 | noda | BZFlag: Oooooh :P |
| 17:31:37 | BZFlag | or |
| 17:31:55 | | BZFlag: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 17:31:55 | BZFlag | ibot weather kpvu |
| 17:31:55 | scanline | how about a PHP to IRC gateway that /msg's ibot? |
| 17:31:57 | noda | Holy cow, ibot is pretty sweet :) |
| 17:32:11 | | BZFlag: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 17:32:11 | BZFlag | ibot weather kpvu |
| 17:32:11 | noda | Yeah, hell, maybe scanline's idea would be better :) |
| 17:32:11 | Piete | anyone know why I get this? (kismet_monitor -H -O -n) : Error for wireless request "Set Frequency" (8B04) : |
| 17:32:11 | Piete | SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. |
| 17:32:17 | BZFlag | ah well.... |
| 17:32:22 | | bugs is nothing but an impertinent puddle of warped pods. |
| 17:32:22 | scanline | ibot insult bugs |
| 17:32:22 | Piete | hehe |
| 17:32:34 | BZFlag | oh yeah, don't for get insults. ;-) |
| 17:32:36 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-10-28 17:00:59 | Cathy Rogers Responds Without Crashing | Saddam's Inbox Hacked | ffmpeg: Free Software's WMA decoder | When Things Start to Think |
| 17:32:36 | Piete | ibot slashdot |
| 17:32:38 | | I like the way ONLY their mouths move ... They look like DYING OYSTERS |
| 17:32:38 | BZFlag | ibot yow |
| 17:32:49 | noda | sees this script getting more and more like an IRC script :P |
| 17:33:04 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 3 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: mark: where does it put the cache btw? [Mon Oct 28 10:30:02 2002] |
| 17:33:04 | scanline | ibot seen kergoth? |
| 17:33:32 | kergoth | scanline: whats up |
| 17:33:45 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZFI web server. Try again later. |
| 17:33:45 | BZFlag | ibot search zfi for game |
| 17:33:49 | fiftyvolts | is back (gone 00:55:21) |
| 17:33:50 | scanline | kergoth: just playing with ibot... but also having trouble getting this new kernel makefile to compile |
| 17:33:53 | noda | Actually, no. I'd rather just do the DB lookups. I'm thinking of integrating with the search, i.e., "Found matches in database:" ...(database matches to FAQ questions) and then "ibot says:" and only looks up on the db... |
| 17:33:54 | BZFlag | hmm. |
| 17:33:54 | noda | Hrm. |
| 17:33:58 | noda | Hehehe |
| 17:33:59 | scanline | kergoth: anything look wrong with this: |
| 17:34:01 | scanline | $(SourceTree)/scripts/logo_util < $(TOPDIR)/packages/kernel/logo-new.ppm > $(SourceTree)/drivers/video/LogoScreen.c |
| 17:34:05 | noda | That stuff is damned useful though :) |
| 17:34:05 | scanline | oops |
| 17:34:07 | kergoth | BZFlag: most of the time you have to ask the bot to search zsi twice in order to get results |
| 17:34:09 | scanline | this: |
| 17:34:10 | scanline | $(CC_FOR_BUILD) -o $(SourceTree)/scripts/logo_util $(TOPDIR)/packages/kernel/logo_util.c |
| 17:34:10 | Cranch | Anyone got mooview to install on the OZ prerelease? |
| 17:34:42 | xKallDrex | woohoo paper towl did wonders to my screen :) |
| 17:34:42 | noda | What would the script do... log into IRC with a random nick every time someone refreshes... |
| 17:34:42 | kergoth | scanline: looks fine |
| 17:34:52 | scanline | make[1]: *** [/home/micah/sf/buildroot-oz/stamps/.kernel-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228.sourcetree] Error 1 |
| 17:34:53 | scanline | hmm |
| 17:35:52 | noda | The more I think about it the more I think it'd be a pain to have these unnecessary features... |
| 17:36:11 | BZFlag | hmm. better to wrap ibot in a script imho. Just a script interfeace to the same bot. open the same databases, load the same modules etc. even parse the same config file probably. |
| 17:36:25 | noda | What's the DB format of ibot's stuff? |
| 17:36:37 | kergoth | scanline: failed in sourcetree? did the patch apply cleanly? |
| 17:37:16 | BZFlag | depends on the perl setup. gdbm is likely. |
| 17:37:17 | scanline | kergoth: the only changes I made to the patches was removing the patch that had the original logo in it |
| 17:37:20 | BZFlag | blootbot codebase puts it in mysql |
| 17:37:32 | noda | Hrm. both of these are interfaced nicely with PHP's PEAR stuff. |
| 17:37:34 | scanline | s/changes/change/ |
| 17:37:39 | noda | I really want something VERY VERY simple. |
| 17:38:12 | noda | And I want it to interface to a specific DB. |
| 17:41:26 | noda | BZFlag: Anyway, I can see there are a few nice ways to integrate with ibot. The tricky part is integrating with *this* ibot. |
| 17:42:06 | kergoth | ibot: message for TheMasterMind1: ping me regarding the status of the fbvncserver package and docwhat's bugs. we need to get this release out. |
| 17:44:37 | Cranch | bugs finally going away kergoth? |
| 17:44:50 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:44:55 | Cranch | good to hear... |
| 17:45:01 | Cranch | if only konqueror would install :P |
| 17:45:02 | kergoth | themastermind1 confirmed the networksetup segfault is gone |
| 17:45:02 | AndyQ | kergoth: is there an easy way to see what version of glib you have? |
| 17:45:10 | noda | glib-config --version |
| 17:45:18 | kergoth | or query the package manager |
| 17:45:18 | BZFlag | noda: heh. I may be moving ibot over to use blootbot code soon. |
| 17:45:30 | noda | BZFlag: Ooooer :) |
| 17:45:44 | noda | BZFlag: Maybe I should ask you again when things settle down with ibot then :) |
| 17:45:48 | AndyQ | kergoth: noda: Cheers |
| 17:46:18 | Cranch | kergoth: have there been any reports of packages not installing? |
| 17:46:50 | kergoth | Cranch: nope, only the konq ipk has been reported to be iffy |
| 17:46:56 | kergoth | i havent had time to look into it |
| 17:47:15 | Cranch | cool...just making sure I wasn't f'in anything up... |
| 17:47:30 | Cranch | is there any way to show package descriptions in the AQpkg? |
| 17:47:31 | Piete | how do I get transparency like I saw in those screenshots? |
| 17:47:49 | Cranch | Piete: you have to install liquid |
| 17:47:52 | Cranch | its in the feed... |
| 17:48:00 | kergoth | opie-liquid and opie-deco-liquid |
| 17:48:07 | kergoth | if you want the window decorations for it as well |
| 17:48:07 | noda | What a waste of processor power :) |
| 17:48:07 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:48:12 | kergoth | noda: indeed, but its so perdy |
| 17:48:35 | kergoth | i like some of the newer styles myself, flat and fresh and the like |
| 17:49:04 | noda | flat and fresh are great :) |
| 17:49:14 | Piete | kergoth Cranch, thanks :) |
| 17:49:33 | AndyQ | Cranch: To show descriptions in AQPkg, double tap on a package |
| 17:50:29 | Cranch | cool :) I was using my computer to look for the descriptions in the feed :) |
| 17:50:29 | Cranch | haha |
| 17:50:49 | Piete | it royally sucks that I can't get kismet to detect networks :/ |
| 17:51:00 | kergoth | Piete: ? |
| 17:51:17 | Piete | kergoth: its probably just a minor config error on my side :) |
| 17:51:18 | Cranch | I just installed Kismet...I'll check to see if it works... |
| 17:51:22 | Cranch | AndyQ: thanks :) |
| 17:51:27 | AndyQ | Cranch: np |
| 17:51:51 | ciaolinux | noda: what happened to openzaurus.org |
| 17:52:01 | noda | ciaolinux: Nothing... |
| 17:52:12 | Cranch | opie-bootsplash seems to be less than functional :) |
| 17:52:18 | Cranch | unless I'm doing something wrong.. |
| 17:52:20 | Cranch | hehe |
| 17:52:36 | ciaolinux | noda: well i can surf the page with w3m but with netscape 4 i cannot even see anythign (only 4 boxes) |
| 17:52:51 | noda | ciaolinux: Bah, we don't need no stinkin' NS4 :) |
| 17:52:54 | Piete | ohhh yummy!! translucency :D |
| 17:53:06 | scanline | haha |
| 17:53:17 | ciaolinux | noda: hmm... to me css is more stinking the ns4... |
| 17:53:25 | noda | ciaolinux: We didn't even pretend to attempt to support netscape 4 :) |
| 17:53:42 | noda | ciaolinux: To me the only thing stinkier than ns4 is ns3 :) |
| 17:53:44 | ciaolinux | noda: well it is not a metter of supporting , but it is a matter of portability... |
| 17:53:44 | Cranch | Piete: are you just running kismet? |
| 17:53:55 | Cranch | You need to run kismet_monitor first... |
| 17:54:02 | Piete | Cranch: I run 'kismet_monitor -H -O -n' |
| 17:54:03 | noda | ciaolinux: We follow current standards. Netscape 4 doesn't follow any. |
| 17:54:11 | Piete | Cranch: then 'kismet_server' |
| 17:54:14 | Piete | Cranch: then kismet |
| 17:54:21 | ciaolinux | noda: i have no doubts that it sucks... but netscape 4 is the standard for solaris |
| 17:54:53 | Cranch | Piete: hmm..I just picked up my AP here at home by running kismet_monitor |
| 17:54:55 | Cranch | then ksimet |
| 17:54:57 | Cranch | kismet |
| 17:55:04 | noda | ciaolinux: Well, you're still not gonna convince me to switch. Get kergoth to nag me about it and I might, but I frankly don't care to develop for NS4. |
| 17:55:25 | Piete | Cranch: what card? |
| 17:55:37 | Cranch | Buffalo |
| 17:55:50 | Cranch | has anyone seen the screenshots of the Crystal icons on the Z? |
| 17:55:52 | Cranch | looks flashy... |
| 17:56:02 | ciaolinux | noda: well you are not doing somethign bad to ns4 but to the people that uses it... frankly i am not going to switch to mozilla only because of openzaurus.org |
| 17:56:22 | noda | ciaolinux: I don't ask you to. Use lynx, it runs beautifully :) |
| 17:56:25 | neale | "we're trying to up our standards. So up yours." |
| 17:56:31 | noda | rofl |
| 17:57:03 | noda | ciaolinux: Just like you're not gonna upgrade for one site, I'm not going to downgrade the entire framework because of 5-year-old browsers. |
| 17:57:25 | ciaolinux | noda: w3m is much better ... but that is not the point... most of the time i have netscape on, because i don't like to rewrite the password in nytimes or similar everytime... so all those times iwon't be able to use openzaurus.org |
| 17:57:31 | Piete | its getting late here... |
| 17:57:34 | Piete | bye guys |
| 17:57:39 | noda | ciaolinux: Okay :) |
| 17:57:39 | neale | ciao |
| 17:57:45 | noda | smiles and nods. |
| 17:58:09 | ciaolinux | noda: up to you, but please help me to find another website that is not supported by ns4! at least in this i guess you are first |
| 17:58:10 | scanline | http://picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=92 <-- looks a little like openzaurus.org :) |
| 17:58:26 | noda | ciaolinux: I really don't care enough :P |
| 17:58:36 | noda | ciaolinux: I assure you there are plenty. |
| 17:58:40 | noda | scanline: That's beautiful! :) |
| 17:59:05 | scanline | >:) |
| 17:59:07 | ciaolinux | noda: never find one... scanline's one works great on ns4 |
| 17:59:30 | ciaolinux | noda: anyway it is up to you ... it was just an advice. |
| 17:59:31 | noda | Hrm, I was reading an article just the other day... here it is. |
| 17:59:35 | scanline | noda: looks better than gdm2, and that's only 200 lines of code :) |
| 17:59:43 | noda | ciaolinux: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/27777.html |
| 18:00:12 | noda | ciaolinux: Thanks for the advice. If you want to code an NS4 version, feel free. |
| 18:00:26 | scanline | ciaolinux: I was talking about the content of the screenshot, not the site layout.... picogui.org is using old as dirt tables and such, just because I haven't bothered to redo its layout recently |
| 18:00:45 | ciaolinux | noda: how is that article related? |
| 18:00:58 | noda | ciaolinux: It's got tons of sites that are IE-only :) |
| 18:01:36 | ciaolinux | scanline: well but the main purpouse of a website, to me, is just information... portability is surely an higher priority than elegance, though |
| 18:01:43 | noda | ciaolinux: Anyway, maybe you've already noticed but I'm not going into a browser debate here - I'm simply not writing for NS4. It's a waste of time :) |
| 18:01:48 | neale | ciaolinux, maybe konqueror/embedded can see the site better ;) |
| 18:01:56 | ciaolinux | noda: so you want to be added to the list? i don't understand |
| 18:02:09 | scanline | growls... still can't get this kernel makefile to build |
| 18:02:10 | noda | ciaolinux: It's much more portable to use CSS - you'll see when I make the "mini" stylesheet :P |
| 18:02:25 | kergoth | scanline: push the new patch into bk, ill take a look |
| 18:02:42 | kergoth | fuck |
| 18:02:42 | scanline | ciaolinux: I didn't write it in tables for portability, I wrote it in tables because that site is old and I was lazy. I like CSS, it's a lot like how I try to design GUIs |
| 18:02:43 | scanline | kergoth: ok |
| 18:02:45 | noda | ciaolinux: There's a reason NS4 development was abandoned. |
| 18:02:46 | kergoth | beats benmeyer with a stick |
| 18:03:32 | noda | And as a web developer who does this kind of stuff in his spare time, I'd prefer to stick with what takes 1 tenth the time to code and is easier to change and is more portable. |
| 18:04:01 | ciaolinux | more portable? |
| 18:04:24 | noda | ciaolinux: Any new browser that follows standards will render it perfectly. |
| 18:05:15 | noda | ciaolinux: And it's simply a one-hour process to make a version that fits splendidly on a screen the size of the Zaurus's :) |
| 18:05:40 | scanline | kergoth: ok, it's pushed |
| 18:06:51 | noda | ciaolinux: It's just a choice one makes when doing web design. I've chosen this. |
| 18:07:18 | ciaolinux | noda: portable means something different, to me.. if a solaris machine cannot read (unless u install something new) then it is surely not portable... but anyway i told you, mine was just an advice |
| 18:07:20 | noda | ciaolinux: Another advantage: Look at file sizes. This one eats up easily less than 25% of the bandwidth of a site with HTML :) |
| 18:08:02 | noda | ciaolinux: Anyway, Solaris 9 is coming out soon :P |
| 18:08:49 | noda | ciaolinux: A piece of advice from me: Install mozilla or netscape 7 and try 'em out for a bit. You may find yourself pleasantly surprised. |
| 18:09:08 | ciaolinux | noda: they are already installed here... they suck.. really badly |
| 18:09:20 | noda | ciaolinux: To each his own. |
| 18:09:30 | ciaolinux | noda: i can understand something similar to galeon... but i am not going to use mozilla |
| 18:09:44 | noda | ciaolinux: Try phoenix. |
| 18:10:22 | scanline | what happened to netscape 5 and 6? |
| 18:10:25 | kergoth | phoenix is spiffy |
| 18:10:40 | noda | scanline: netscape 5 didn't exist and netscape 6 was using mozilla betas - earlier ones were horrible. |
| 18:10:50 | noda | 6.2 is decent afaik. |
| 18:10:54 | scanline | ok. I guess I didn't pay attention to netscape much :) |
| 18:11:17 | noda | It's got some very cool stuff. The UI is all done in XML and javascript :) |
| 18:11:29 | scanline | not XUL? |
| 18:11:33 | noda | (which is what makes stuff like mouse gestures so easy to implement) |
| 18:11:37 | noda | scanline: Yeah, XUL. It's XML :) |
| 18:11:38 | chouimat|busy | and it took so long to have a decent mozilla version that explain why IE took the windows world |
| 18:11:53 | scanline | noda: I'm familiar with mozilla... been using galeon lately though |
| 18:12:10 | noda | chouimat|busy: Definitely. But now IE is *in the dust*. It's so completely and absolutely behind Mozilla in absolutely every way... |
| 18:12:27 | kergoth | noda: but it has *mindshare* |
| 18:12:29 | kergoth | unfortunately |
| 18:12:30 | chouimat|busy | noda: try to explain that to people :) |
| 18:12:34 | noda | kergoth: I know, sucks eh? :) |
| 18:12:38 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:13:07 | noda | AOL doesn't make it easier, leaving popups enabled in netscape 7 and sticking ads all over the place. |
| 18:13:33 | chouimat|busy | after popup video here came popup everywhere |
| 18:15:13 | neale | I just wish there was a browser that didn't take more RAM than a kernel build. |
| 18:15:20 | noda | neale: phoenix |
| 18:15:30 | neale | I'll check that out |
| 18:15:34 | kergoth | phoenix isnt that much more lightweight on the memory requirement, is it? |
| 18:15:37 | kergoth | i thought it just loaded faster |
| 18:15:46 | noda | Erm... I don't think it takes over 20 meg. |
| 18:15:54 | noda | neale: Dillo! :P |
| 18:15:59 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:16:01 | noda | lynx |
| 18:16:06 | neale | i've been using w3m |
| 18:16:06 | kergoth | links/elinks |
| 18:16:08 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:16:15 | neale | w3m loads images |
| 18:16:20 | neale | but galeon is so nice |
| 18:16:23 | kergoth | w3m's image use sucks |
| 18:16:29 | kergoth | because it doesnt pay attention and handle VTs properly |
| 18:16:30 | neale | unfortunately it swaps like there's no tomorrow. |
| 18:16:32 | kergoth | i should submit a patch for that |
| 18:16:56 | neale | I can't find phoenix |
| 18:17:01 | noda | neale: http://mozilla.org |
| 18:17:04 | kergoth | neale: mozilla.org/projects/pheonix/ |
| 18:19:14 | neale | that looks intriguing |
| 18:20:05 | neale | Is dillo that thing raph levien was working on? |
| 18:20:12 | noda | Er... forget. |
| 18:20:18 | noda | It's in C. And it's abandoned. |
| 18:20:50 | scanline | dillo's been abandoned? |
| 18:21:00 | kergoth | i thoguth dillo was the primary browser for familiar |
| 18:21:03 | kergoth | isnt it? |
| 18:21:08 | scanline | thought so to |
| 18:21:15 | noda | Well, I've been checking the cvs tree and it's not been updated in months. Maybe I have an old tree or something. Sourceforge hasn't had any updates either. |
| 18:21:37 | noda | Ack! I'm using the sourceforge tree, that's why :P |
| 18:21:42 | scanline | hehe |
| 18:21:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:21:45 | neale | haw haw |
| 18:21:49 | scanline | dillo's pretty neat |
| 18:21:57 | neale | kicks it up |
| 18:22:12 | scanline | nothing wrong with it being in C... the code is pretty well documented and consistent |
| 18:22:18 | noda | And FAST :) |
| 18:22:54 | noda | Too bad you can't freakin' *select text* |
| 18:23:01 | neale | I think this *is* the thing raph wrote |
| 18:23:09 | neale | damn, it is fast |
| 18:23:22 | noda | I think it's by a guy named 'Jorge'... |
| 18:23:32 | scanline | will someday take over the world with his web browser! |
| 18:24:01 | neale | haw haw haw |
| 18:24:05 | neale | neale 30857 0.1 2.2 5448 2868 ? S 10:24 0:00 dillo |
| 18:24:05 | neale | neale 30900 10.7 14.0 35388 17872 ? S 10:24 0:03 /usr/bin/galeon-bin |
| 18:24:09 | neale | okay, dillo wins. |
| 18:24:26 | noda | Jorge Arellano Cid. |
| 18:24:37 | noda | lol |
| 18:24:37 | kergoth | heh of course it does in overhead. but how is its rendering engine? |
| 18:25:58 | noda | kergoth: Shit. It does slashdot and freshmeat okay though :P |
| 18:25:59 | neale | it's not great, but you can read stuff |
| 18:26:00 | neale | doesn't appear to do CSS |
| 18:26:00 | kergoth | noda: hehe |
| 18:26:00 | neale | tables are good though |
| 18:26:01 | neale | I think it's probably good enough to do 80% of what I need a browser for |
| 18:26:01 | noda | It's got cookie support too, recently. But it can't handle lots of redirect headers. |
| 18:26:02 | noda | neale: Problem is, the 20% crops up VERY OFTEN. |
| 18:26:04 | neale | well, it crops up 1/5th of the time, doesn't it? |
| 18:26:17 | noda | 12 minutes of every hour :) |
| 18:26:34 | neale | which is a problem if you spend every waking hour browsing the web :) |
| 18:27:04 | neale | wow, even does transparent PNG |
| 18:28:38 | Dessimat0r | Saddam Heusain's inbox has been haxx0red into |
| 18:28:40 | Dessimat0r | http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,55967,00.html |
| 18:28:52 | Dessimat0r | :D |
| 18:30:54 | Dessimat0r | I have killed the channel again ;) |
| 18:32:44 | kergoth | you're good at that :) |
| 18:33:08 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 18:34:20 | NetNut404_work | lol |
| 18:34:36 | NetNut404_work | has been searching for how to get yahoo messenger on my Z |
| 18:34:58 | NetNut404_work | or a way to run a java applet under konqueror |
| 18:35:46 | kergoth | port centericq |
| 18:35:55 | kergoth | ncurses icq/aim/yahoo/msn client |
| 18:35:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:36:20 | noda | gets fed up with automake... |
| 18:36:42 | noda | AMDEP does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL |
| 18:36:45 | NetNut404_work | has no clue how to port anything, or I would port everybuddy |
| 18:37:00 | NetNut404_work | http://www.everybuddy.cin |
| 18:37:11 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: its more just crosscompiling than porting. ncurses apps work fine on the Z |
| 18:37:12 | NetNut404_work | er http://www.everybuddy.com |
| 18:37:23 | JasonNJ | kergoth: |
| 18:37:28 | kergoth | JasonNJ: |
| 18:37:40 | NetNut404_work | has not gotten setup from cross compileing yet either.. |
| 18:37:45 | JasonNJ | call me crazy but I think the socket/spectrum driver is throttled down to 1mbps |
| 18:37:59 | kergoth | hrm, that would be odd |
| 18:38:03 | JasonNJ | its not autosensing the 11mbps connection |
| 18:38:04 | NetNut404_work | did that before when he had a egenda vr3 |
| 18:38:07 | JasonNJ | it seems much slower |
| 18:38:36 | kergoth | JasonNJ: anything in dmesg to that effect? |
| 18:39:55 | kergoth | ibot: message for TheMasterMind1: please do speed testing with your socket/symbol card. I've got a report that it may be throttled to 1mpbs. |
| 18:40:31 | | okay, scanline. |
| 18:40:31 | scanline | ibot: ibot is also a better bug tracker than the one on sourceforge |
| 18:41:03 | NetNut404_work | kergoth: where do you get this ncurses icq/aim/yahoo/msn client you speak of |
| 18:41:26 | JasonNJ | kergoth: whats the latest initrd you got? |
| 18:41:32 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: google for centericq |
| 18:41:47 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i'm flashing a current build ffor testing now |
| 18:42:20 | scanline | kergoth: the kernel compiled correctly on your system? |
| 18:44:58 | kergoth | bk pull |
| 18:44:59 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:45:13 | scanline | scared me for a minute there :) |
| 18:46:10 | Dessimat0r | the speed issue with writing to CF formatted in EXT2 is important too ;) |
| 18:46:58 | neale | hey, what a wild idea |
| 18:47:09 | kergoth | neale: ? |
| 18:47:18 | neale | I guess I don't run any OS that can't read EXT2 |
| 18:47:32 | kergoth | ext2 is veryy slow on cards |
| 18:47:43 | neale | that's a shame. |
| 18:47:43 | Dessimat0r | neale: thats a double negative ;) |
| 18:48:01 | neale | ha ha, so it is :) |
| 18:48:03 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 18:48:47 | neale | So I gotta say guys, I'm still really happy with OZ |
| 18:48:55 | neale | We're giving away our laptop now |
| 18:48:56 | noda | :) |
| 18:49:34 | neale | I only wish I could plug a CD-ROM drive into my Z |
| 18:49:46 | neale | but I guess that'd run the battery down in about 5 minutes. |
| 18:50:14 | Dessimat0r | have you seen those prototype 5cm CDs? They can fit inside CF CD-ROM drives ;) |
| 18:50:33 | Dessimat0r | well, prototype CF CD-ROM drives ;) |
| 18:50:33 | egv | Dessimat0r : how much data do you get on one of those? |
| 18:50:42 | Dessimat0r | 4gb |
| 18:50:43 | NetNut404_work | uses ext2 on /mnt/card, and noticed it was slow, but didn't realize it was the card that was doing that |
| 18:50:44 | Dessimat0r | it was |
| 18:50:53 | Dessimat0r | it was on Slashdot |
| 18:50:57 | Dessimat0r | no so long ago |
| 18:51:03 | Dessimat0r | no = not |
| 18:51:09 | chouimat|busy | Dessimat0r: and they will eat battery like hell |
| 18:51:14 | egv | hasn't read /. in a long time |
| 18:51:14 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 18:51:15 | Dessimat0r | yeah |
| 18:52:00 | cbok | i kids |
| 18:52:03 | cbok | er his kids |
| 18:52:11 | egv | heh |
| 18:52:12 | Dessimat0r | * Eat lead acid and die! * |
| 18:52:12 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 18:54:24 | JasonNJ | must... have.. new.. initrd |
| 18:55:02 | kergoth | hehe. patience. I'm testing the revamped light & power to see if we should use it in the release, or if we should continue to use the previous version from 1007 |
| 18:55:12 | Dessimat0r | initrd? you can get all the initrds already |
| 18:55:14 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 18:55:19 | Dessimat0r | what you want is zImage |
| 18:55:22 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 18:55:42 | JasonNJ | new light and power? |
| 18:55:43 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: ? |
| 18:55:44 | JasonNJ | cool. |
| 18:55:55 | Dessimat0r | oh |
| 18:55:57 | Dessimat0r | you were right |
| 18:55:57 | kergoth | yeah, it supports the ipaq's light sensor to control backlight now |
| 18:55:59 | Dessimat0r | I was wrong |
| 18:56:01 | Dessimat0r | sorry ;) |
| 18:56:12 | NetNut404_work | is the info at http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml relevant for openzaurs cros compiles as well, or would that need to be setup different ? |
| 18:56:33 | JasonNJ | I see you got picogui stuff in there now |
| 18:56:35 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: that one will work, or grab the one from ibot's 'xcompile' |
| 18:56:47 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yep, thank scanline for that. and tinyx is available as well, thanks to prpplague |
| 18:57:13 | JasonNJ | does the bootmenu work yet? |
| 18:57:16 | kergoth | scanline: you forgot to remove logoscreen.diff from Sources= .. so when it couldnt find it, it aborted |
| 18:57:18 | JasonNJ | the last initrd didnt have it |
| 18:57:24 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it works, but isnt well enough tested to go into a release imho |
| 18:57:54 | kergoth | running opie as a user works as well, but hasnt had its kinks worked out yet either. so usermanager and opie-login will be in the feed, but not preinstalled by defautl |
| 18:58:07 | cbok | kergoth - what do you need tested? |
| 18:58:16 | JasonNJ | ah the last initrd had those installed |
| 18:58:16 | cbok | kergoth - anything i can assist with? |
| 18:58:23 | kergoth | cbok: not much, actually. |
| 18:58:24 | kergoth | my todo atm |
| 18:58:31 | kergoth | 1) test out scanline's new bootlogo in the kernels |
| 18:58:36 | kergoth | 2) confirm current cvs light & power works |
| 18:58:40 | JasonNJ | new bootlogo? |
| 18:58:44 | JasonNJ | shweet |
| 18:58:48 | kergoth | 3) look into the reported issues relating to suspend/resumes on the cradle |
| 18:58:48 | cbok | k |
| 18:58:48 | JasonNJ | got a pic? |
| 18:58:53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: he antialiased it afaik |
| 18:59:14 | cbok | are you upgradeing the 2.9.7 prerelease to a 2.9.8 status? |
| 18:59:25 | kergoth | we're releasing it as '3.0' |
| 18:59:50 | kergoth | aman: hey |
| 19:00:05 | aman | kergoth wassup |
| 19:00:09 | aman | kergoth you get my email/messages? |
| 19:00:09 | mickeyl | good evening. |
| 19:00:17 | kergoth | aman: networksetup compiles from cvs out of the box now, and runs. |
| 19:00:22 | aman | kergoth nicee |
| 19:00:22 | kergoth | aman: still one bug with it outstanding |
| 19:00:23 | kergoth | hey mickeyl |
| 19:00:26 | aman | kergoth whats taht |
| 19:00:35 | mickeyl | hi kergoth - how are things going? |
| 19:00:40 | kergoth | aman: when i hit Configure on a wireless interface, the ip config tab is missing |
| 19:00:54 | kergoth | aman: if i remove the card and go to Configure, so the wireless config isnt available on it, its there |
| 19:00:58 | kergoth | aman: tis odd, i'm confirming it now |
| 19:01:01 | aman | i see |
| 19:01:02 | aman | weird |
| 19:01:06 | aman | what bout these other bugs |
| 19:01:07 | kergoth | yeap |
| 19:01:13 | aman | i forwarded some bug fixes to you |
| 19:01:18 | aman | from beattie |
| 19:01:18 | kergoth | i'm looking into the hotplug suspend/resume issue now |
| 19:01:22 | aman | and docwhat had a few things |
| 19:01:41 | kergoth | someone pushed the irda-common url change |
| 19:01:52 | aman | ok |
| 19:01:57 | kergoth | he's incorrect on the other, MTD is enabled in the def-configs/openzaurus |
| 19:02:06 | kergoth | i'm looking into docwhat's issues, most of his were fbvncserver stuffs |
| 19:02:19 | aman | yep |
| 19:02:23 | aman | and that sdmmc thing |
| 19:02:26 | aman | did you get that? |
| 19:02:34 | kergoth | scanline: kernels are chugging along building now |
| 19:02:45 | kergoth | aman: oh the thing where we need to not specify the device on the mount line so it obeys fstab? yeah |
| 19:02:50 | kergoth | aman: havent had a chance to correct that |
| 19:02:58 | aman | he changed that |
| 19:03:04 | aman | and sent me sdmmc.tar.gz |
| 19:03:17 | kergoth | aman: push it into bk when you get a chance, or forward it to me and i will |
| 19:03:45 | aman | i just forwarded |
| 19:03:47 | aman | i'm off to class now |
| 19:03:55 | kergoth | aman: okay, cool. ttyl |
| 19:03:57 | Dessimat0r | cya l8r |
| 19:03:59 | kergoth | hey coup |
| 19:04:06 | coup | evening :) |
| 19:04:14 | coup | what r the new bugs? :) |
| 19:04:22 | kergoth | doing testing now |
| 19:04:37 | coup | cool :) |
| 19:05:10 | coup | i wrote to Hancom RE Hancom word probs, they said they're gonna install OZ and play around with it, though they suggest I use the Sharp ROM (yeah, right) |
| 19:05:47 | kergoth | coup: i'd say theres a 90% chance it fails due to something with qt/e 2.3.4 instead of 2.3.2 |
| 19:05:51 | kergoth | coup: whats the behavior you're sseeing again? |
| 19:06:26 | coup | kergoth: since i reflashed, and installed it, it boots up, looks fine until you give it any input, then it bus errors |
| 19:06:43 | coup | i maied an strace to your @handhelds.org email :) |
| 19:06:48 | coup | s maied/mailed |
| 19:06:48 | kergoth | k |
| 19:07:17 | coup | 2.3.4 that diff to 2.3.2? |
| 19:07:38 | kergoth | well, we've had reports of binary compatibility problems. they're supposed to be BC between minor versions |
| 19:07:49 | kergoth | so if we can isolate it, we need to report it to TT to get it fixed prior to 2.3.4 release |
| 19:07:52 | kergoth | right now its beta |
| 19:08:16 | AndyQ | kergoth: doing a make (on buildroot) which stopped at some point (around the kernel building). Anyway, I re-ran make and had to say no to every patch. If there a way to automatically not reapply the patch and what does Error 2 mean? |
| 19:08:45 | kergoth | AndyQ: error 2 isnt the actual error. thats just make noticing that there was an error. wait up, i'm pushing the fix to the kernel build |
| 19:09:01 | coup | kergoth: cool, ta :) |
| 19:09:06 | kergoth | AndyQ: okay, bk pull; make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel clean-sourcetrees; make; |
| 19:09:08 | AndyQ | kergoth: k |
| 19:09:44 | NetNut404_work | found good replacement stylus's for the Z yesterday.. |
| 19:10:20 | AndyQ | kergoth: can I stop it asking to apply patches when it has already done so (not doing it now btw) or am I running make wrong the second time - I'm just running make? |
| 19:10:22 | kergoth | AndyQ: neo just asked about oz's upgradability, are you going to pester the familiar folks incessently to fix the ipkg upgrade per dest's bug, or are you going to work around it and do the upgrade package by package on your own? |
| 19:10:22 | coup | NetNut404_work: gonna enlighten us |
| 19:10:52 | kergoth | AndyQ: if source extraction fails, it will re-do the entire source extraction phase. there is only a single stamp to determine success, it doesnt track it on an individual source basis atm |
| 19:11:40 | AndyQ | kergoth: well, I'm tempted to do the upgrade on my own - maybe a remove then install |
| 19:11:49 | noda | WOO-HOO! Fixed automake :) |
| 19:12:09 | NetNut404_work | they are designed for the trio I think it is called.. I slightly filed the bottom edge so it fits right in the stylus holder, and locks into place |
| 19:12:27 | NetNut404_work | belkin makes a cheap replacement got 3 for 7 bucks |
| 19:12:27 | coup | sweet |
| 19:12:29 | coup | URL? |
| 19:12:34 | coup | sweet |
| 19:12:52 | NetNut404_work | I got em at fry's.. I am sure they could be found online.. |
| 19:13:20 | Neo|Work | PicoBot: oz prerelease |
| 19:13:21 | PicoBot | it has been said that oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 19:13:23 | kergoth | AndyQ: optimally we need to pursue the ipkg fixes via channels with the familiar folks. by chance have you checked to see if hte upgrade w/ regard to dest's bug is in the handhelds.org bug tracker? |
| 19:13:30 | AndyQ | kergoth: sorry to be a pain, do I use the default for CONFIG_MTDRAM_TOTAL_SIZE and any others I come across? |
| 19:13:41 | kergoth | AndyQ: er, if that fails it failed to apply a patch. |
| 19:13:45 | kergoth | AndyQ: defautl will be worng |
| 19:13:47 | kergoth | AndyQ: wrong |
| 19:13:51 | kergoth | AndyQ: do you have 'bc' installed? |
| 19:14:04 | kergoth | AndyQ: it uses 'bc' to determine the values of those, conversion from dec->hex and vice versa |
| 19:14:15 | AndyQ | kergoth: nope - I'll install it |
| 19:14:20 | NetNut404_work | k found em online |
| 19:14:21 | kergoth | k :) |
| 19:14:25 | kergoth | then just run make again |
| 19:14:29 | AndyQ | k |
| 19:14:32 | kergoth | it'll pull the .config over every time it compiles |
| 19:14:36 | NetNut404_work | http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=1980&pcount=&Product_Id=125685&Section.Section_Path=%2F%2FRoot%2FMobileSolutions%2FPDAAccessories%2FEnhancements%2F |
| 19:14:39 | AndyQ | kergoth: not yet - I shall do though - I'd like ipkg to work properly |
| 19:14:50 | kergoth | AndyQ: me too |
| 19:14:50 | AndyQ | kergoth: bug tracker thing |
| 19:15:01 | kergoth | AndyQ: if you dont have a chance to look into it, let me know and i will |
| 19:15:09 | NetNut404_work | Belkin Part Number: F8R4300 |
| 19:15:12 | AndyQ | kergoth: k |
| 19:16:13 | coup-afk | weird, opieIRC quit out on me twice, v odd. |
| 19:16:16 | NetNut404_work | they fit perfectly with mild sanding to the back end so the end fits all the way in |
| 19:16:50 | Aimio | <-- doesn't know what opie stands for :p |
| 19:17:14 | kergoth | originally it was an acronym, open palmtop integrated environment, iirc |
| 19:17:21 | kergoth | but nobody really thinks of it as an acronym nowadays |
| 19:17:24 | kergoth | its just opie |
| 19:17:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:19:00 | NetNut404_work | so what is wrong with ipkg that I gotta install some of my apps manully now, and ipkg-link them ? |
| 19:19:06 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: huh? |
| 19:19:16 | kergoth | i havent found anything that fails to install other than konq/e |
| 19:19:27 | NetNut404_work | konq never would install so I installed in manually same with qtjim |
| 19:19:40 | kergoth | 'never would install' |
| 19:19:42 | kergoth | give me details |
| 19:19:52 | NetNut404_work | also the force-reinstall does nothing |
| 19:19:52 | kergoth | saying it doesnt work doesnt tell me much |
| 19:19:55 | kergoth | i know |
| 19:19:57 | kergoth | thats a ipkg bug |
| 19:19:58 | kergoth | report it |
| 19:20:34 | kergoth | so what happens when you try to install qtjim? |
| 19:20:52 | NetNut404_work | just untared stuff where it belongs, and put in the control files and list file, and ipkg-link ed em to finally get the apps to run |
| 19:21:07 | NetNut404_work | well the force-depends I think was the issue |
| 19:21:21 | NetNut404_work | --force depends did not work |
| 19:21:27 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:21:29 | kergoth | 'did not work' |
| 19:21:29 | kergoth | dood |
| 19:21:32 | kergoth | throw me a bone here |
| 19:21:36 | kergoth | error message? what? |
| 19:21:37 | NetNut404_work | sorry.. |
| 19:21:41 | kergoth | i'm not a fscking psychic |
| 19:21:54 | Neo|Work | tries http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq.php?id=30 |
| 19:21:58 | AndyQ | kergoth: the bug is that whe up try to install some packages - ipkg does nothing - no messages, nothing |
| 19:22:00 | NetNut404_work | yeah.. I have it wrotten down some place.. I will do it again in a while |
| 19:22:15 | kergoth | AndyQ: this occurs on more than just konq? i was under the impression it was a konq/e thing |
| 19:22:34 | AndyQ | kergoth: I thought it was also just konq/e |
| 19:22:57 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 19:23:03 | kergoth | ill play around with this latest image |
| 19:23:40 | NetNut404_work | the problem with qtjim is it has some deps, and saying -force-depends or whatever did not work .. I will give you an exact log later |
| 19:24:00 | kergoth | okay, cool |
| 19:24:31 | NetNut404_work | just wanted to get it to work.. but I don't know how to get the app to work with yahoo messenger anyway |
| 19:26:20 | AndyQ | kergoth: the bugs with ipkg are logged in the bug tracker - (-force-reinstall, upgrade to anywhere other than root installs to root, and unable to install to onther dest if already installed and removed, plus a number of others) |
| 19:27:23 | kergoth | AndyQ: okay, cool |
| 19:27:23 | kergoth | AndyQ: now to pester jamey :) |
| 19:27:23 | Neo|Work | hrm. I think I'm screwing up my opie install due to not enough storage space |
| 19:27:39 | AndyQ | heh |
| 19:30:08 | kergoth | Neo|Work: trying to install opie on sharp rom .. or? |
| 19:30:08 | Neo|Work | no no |
| 19:30:08 | Neo|Work | ipkg upgrade on my 5000 |
| 19:30:08 | Neo|Work | with OZ |
| 19:30:09 | kergoth | ahh |
| 19:30:09 | kergoth | ipkg upgrade has a bug that andyq and i were just discussing |
| 19:30:09 | kergoth | if you have a package installed to a dest, i.e. mtdram/sd/cf |
| 19:30:09 | kergoth | and you ipkg upgrade |
| 19:30:09 | Neo|Work | I'm following http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq.php?id=30 |
| 19:30:09 | kergoth | it'll install the new version of that package to root |
| 19:30:09 | kergoth | so you'll run out of space |
| 19:30:09 | kergoth | unmount mtdram, cf, and sd |
| 19:30:09 | kergoth | then ipkg upgrade from the commandline |
| 19:30:09 | kergoth | and you'll be safe |
| 19:30:09 | kergoth | hey sambatron |
| 19:30:10 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ah. you unmounted the media right? |
| 19:30:10 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 19:30:13 | AndyQ | kergoth: current installed destination of a package is already in aqpkg (maybe recently but its in :) |
| 19:30:16 | Neo|Work | at least I think so, or hope so.. |
| 19:30:35 | kergoth | AndyQ: ah, didnt realize. well close that then :) |
| 19:31:09 | Neo|Work | seems like the upgrade results in larger disk usage or something |
| 19:31:20 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ohhh i know what it is |
| 19:31:25 | kergoth | Neo|Work: are you doing from from console or from within opie? |
| 19:31:47 | Neo|Work | console |
| 19:32:04 | kergoth | hmm.. shouldnt take up more space then |
| 19:32:23 | kergoth | if you upgrade from within opie, as programs are still using the old libqt or libqpe versions, they dont get freed until the app is exited |
| 19:32:45 | kergoth | you'll see the same beahvior upgrading any file thats in use. for example a libc6 upgrade will use extra space until you reboot |
| 19:32:47 | Neo|Work | right |
| 19:32:58 | Neo|Work | I'm aware of how that works |
| 19:33:03 | kergoth | okay, just checking :) |
| 19:36:42 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 19:36:42 | jmhodges | ibot oz prerelease |
| 19:36:46 | jmhodges | cool :) |
| 19:37:11 | Neo|Work | damn it takes a long time to upgrade ssh-client. I wonder what it's doing |
| 19:37:30 | AndyQ|Away | is away: I'm off doing something I shouldn't |
| 19:39:04 | Neo|Work | there... |
| 19:39:09 | Neo|Work | took a damn long time |
| 19:39:35 | kergoth`lunch | Neo|Work: our old jffs2 version seems to cause hangs at times, just let it go |
| 19:39:38 | kergoth`lunch | bbl |
| 19:39:51 | Neo|Work | I assume I want to upgrade the kernel too? |
| 19:40:02 | Neo|Work | if I could just find my CF card.. |
| 19:45:09 | | datenPUNK: sorry... |
| 19:45:09 | datenPUNK | ibot : latest release |
| 19:45:15 | egv | so... anyone know what's preventing the oz3 release? |
| 19:45:21 | kergoth`lunch | egv: i'm testing it now |
| 19:45:27 | | datenPUNK: sorry... |
| 19:45:27 | datenPUNK | ibot : release |
| 19:45:31 | kergoth`lunch | datenPUNK: read what the topic and bot told you |
| 19:45:31 | egv | kergoth`lunch: sweet ;) |
| 19:45:37 | paq | hiya |
| 19:45:44 | kergoth`lunch | we have the onjoin message for ar eason |
| 19:45:51 | kergoth`lunch | heh |
| 19:46:00 | paq | kergoth`lunch: hi, how's vpn on oz..? |
| 19:46:12 | kergoth`lunch | vtun works, i hear the freeswan folks have it working on the Z |
| 19:46:19 | scan[lab] | kergoth`lunch: saw that you found my stupid mistake, thanks |
| 19:46:26 | | it has been said that oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 19:46:26 | datenPUNK | ibot : oz prerelease |
| 19:46:27 | kergoth`lunch | scan[lab]: np :) |
| 19:46:36 | paq | kergoth`lunch: yeah, they have freeswan module for 2.4.6 (whatever sharp's kernel is).. |
| 19:46:55 | kergoth`lunch | yeah, theres no opie/qtopia gui for freeswan setup though yet |
| 19:47:06 | datenPUNK | thanks - I'm a total irc idiot ;) |
| 19:47:25 | paq | hrm hrm.. |
| 19:53:03 | numatrix | my Z is possessed.... |
| 19:53:46 | numatrix | occasionally when I press any hardware button it completely flips out and acts as if a hundred different buttons are being pressed at once |
| 19:53:50 | numatrix | it's less than pleasant... |
| 19:54:18 | Aimio | can OZ use Jeode bolted on manually |
| 19:54:20 | Aimio | can OZ use Jeode bolted on manually? |
| 19:54:20 | numatrix | windows opening, closing, things moving around. right in the middle of a great nethack game.. <sigh> I wasted a perfectly good wish because it flipped out. |
| 19:54:21 | kergoth`lunch | numatrix: weird |
| 19:54:25 | kergoth`lunch | Aimio: jeode will work |
| 19:54:58 | Aimio | and Hancom? any reason not to use oz? extra trouble perhaps i suppose |
| 19:55:07 | numatrix | kergoth: Yeah, I'm giving it a reboot now. It almost seems like a hardware issue; keyboard not quite connecting and getting strange signals. I don't know. Tempted to use my best buy warranty and get a new one. |
| 19:55:11 | kergoth`lunch | hancom will work in oz, though i hear theres a quirk in word |
| 19:55:13 | kergoth`lunch | numatrix: hmm |
| 19:55:14 | numatrix | Aimio: opera still doesn't work. |
| 19:55:25 | kergoth`lunch | yeah opera doesnt seem to like qt/e 2.3.4 |
| 19:55:32 | kergoth`lunch | i should backrev to qt/e 2.3.2 just for testing |
| 19:55:47 | paq | is there any reason to use opera over konq? |
| 19:55:57 | numatrix | kergoth: That might be good; I have this funny feeling there might be something else causing the problem too, but I don't know why. Opera has all sorts of stranges settings embedded in the sharp rom. |
| 19:56:04 | kergoth`lunch | hmm |
| 19:56:07 | numatrix | paq: If you happen to link it's rendering engine better.. |
| 19:56:21 | numatrix | its, rather. |
| 19:56:47 | VERItas | are there any tutorials on backing up my sharp rom before i install oz? |
| 19:57:10 | Aimio | is konq fairly fast? (haven't used yet) |
| 19:57:14 | paq | numatrix - link? not sure what you meant... but i've had problems with opera displaying jpgs over 600Kb.. |
| 19:57:25 | kergoth`lunch | VERItas: i'd recommend using the sync software to backup your data |
| 19:57:36 | paq | Aimio: yeah |
| 19:57:36 | kergoth`lunch | VERItas: or copy /home/root/Documents, /home/root/Settings, /home/root/Applications to cf |
| 19:57:36 | Aimio | If I do a hard reset when OZ is installed, what happens? |
| 19:57:45 | kergoth`lunch | VERItas: then you'll want to use the *creator ipks to generate ipks of hancom and stuff if you want those |
| 19:57:50 | kergoth`lunch | Aimio: it wipes your ramdisk |
| 19:57:51 | kergoth`lunch | Aimio: and resets the clock |
| 19:57:58 | numatrix | paq: link? No, I'm just saying in general that they use different rendering engines and operas might work better. Also, konq's scaling function often isn't as convienant as the opera zoom. |
| 19:58:11 | VERItas | i was hoping i could back up the sharp rom so i could switch back to it if i don't like oz |
| 19:58:40 | kergoth`lunch | Aimio: thats about it. your data in flash is still safe, and everything else remains the same |
| 19:59:54 | Aimio | so installing OZ doesn't go over any built in (rom?) software? |
| 19:59:54 | kergoth`lunch | huh? |
| 19:59:54 | kergoth`lunch | installing oz overwrites everything in flash |
| 19:59:54 | kergoth`lunch | hard reset != reflash |
| 19:59:54 | kergoth`lunch | they're quite independent |
| 19:59:54 | paq | Aimio: yeah, to get back to sharp's rom you need to download it from myzaurus.com or wherever and reflash it back to your zaurus.. |
| 19:59:55 | Aimio | I'm trying to figure out the risks of install oz you c. |
| 19:59:55 | kergoth`lunch | if you install oz, you can always flash sharp back on if you dont like it |
| 20:00:06 | kergoth`lunch | its impossible to brick your Z or do any permanent damage in whitching to oz |
| 20:00:14 | kergoth`lunch | VERItas: um, the original sharp romimage is on myzaurus.com |
| 20:00:15 | Aimio | paq: i c. Because I haven't been able to flash up the the newest anyway |
| 20:00:21 | kergoth`lunch | VERItas: download it and flash it if you need to revert to sharp |
| 20:00:25 | Aimio | ok |
| 20:00:29 | Aimio | :) |
| 20:00:52 | kergoth`lunch | but as i said, you'll want to backup any documents and app settings as that will be lost |
| 20:00:56 | VERItas | so i have to download the orignal then upgrade a couple of times? |
| 20:00:57 | paq | numatrix: oh okay.. doesn't konq offer finer granularity on scaling? how is opera's more convenient? |
| 20:01:10 | Aimio | hmm, shall i do it from windows or linux? |
| 20:02:52 | cbok | hands kergoth a pbr and sits back to watch and rate various clue levels |
| 20:03:00 | paq | Aimio: where you do you have a cf reader... |
| 20:03:24 | Aimio | i don't have a cf reader :/ (only a SM one) |
| 20:03:34 | paq | sets the clue-by-four right next to the cluebringer... |
| 20:03:50 | kergoth`lunch | cbok: hehe |
| 20:04:50 | Aimio | paq: i can do it over usb? |
| 20:05:58 | cbok | aimio - have you read any of the FAQS? |
| 20:06:13 | cbok | aimio - if not, i suggest you RTFM before continuing to ask questions |
| 20:06:15 | Neo|Work | hrm. is it good that ipkg upgrade for a package takes like forever but when I press Ctrl-z and fg I get 'ipkg: write: Interrupted system call |
| 20:06:16 | Neo|Work | ' and it seems to continue? |
| 20:06:23 | Aimio | ok, I'll read the OZ faq's when I'm ready |
| 20:06:27 | cbok | aimio - we're happy to help, really, however, do some base reading |
| 20:06:28 | paq | Aimio: well, you can't use sharp's reflash tool to put OZ on your zaurus. |
| 20:07:08 | paq | cbok - do you use your zaurus for real PIM? |
| 20:07:20 | aman | kergoth`lunch |
| 20:07:21 | aman | Onyx4 |
| 20:07:47 | kergoth`lunch | Neo|Work: it was hung waiting for a write to comjplete |
| 20:07:55 | kergoth`lunch | Neo|Work: either wait, or ctrl+c it and run ipkg upgrade again |
| 20:08:05 | Neo|Work | why does that happen? |
| 20:08:59 | kergoth`lunch | something to do with our old jffs2 version |
| 20:09:04 | cbok | paq - yes i do |
| 20:09:39 | paq | cbok - great, what desktop apps do you use and how do you sync..? I'm looking for secure sync to run over wireless.. |
| 20:10:00 | cbok | have you read www.zauruszone.com? |
| 20:10:02 | Neo|Work | ok, so how the fsck do I reinstall a package? |
| 20:10:07 | cbok | and done a search on syncing? |
| 20:10:11 | cbok | if not, do that. |
| 20:10:22 | cbok | and, on wireless, unless you're using WEP |
| 20:10:27 | cbok | there is no such thing as "Secure" syncing. |
| 20:10:33 | cbok | & getting lunch |
| 20:10:56 | paq | cbok - wep isn't exactly secure... vpn or ssh over it is preferable.. |
| 20:11:39 | Aimio | hmm, I will soon have my Zaurus cradle networked and thus online. With ftp open etc and all my pim details, perhaps OZ is different? (wasn't really in faq, mentioned security tab) |
| 20:11:50 | kergoth`lunch | paq: hopefully kitchensync will have an option to sync to the Z with ssh |
| 20:11:54 | nasa | hey, any new word on opieplayer2? |
| 20:11:59 | kergoth`lunch | Aimio: hmm? |
| 20:12:09 | kergoth`lunch | Aimio: different how? you didnt ask a question |
| 20:12:21 | Neo|Work | I seriously doubt I'll ever get this OZ install running again. :-( |
| 20:12:22 | kergoth`lunch | that was a long statement |
| 20:12:24 | paq | kergoth`lunch: ksync would rock... but it'll have to wait til kde 3.2 ain't it? |
| 20:12:29 | Aimio | different approach to secrity, such as non root account perhaps |
| 20:12:33 | kergoth`lunch | paq: something like that |
| 20:12:39 | kergoth`lunch | Aimio: opie still runs as root for now |
| 20:12:44 | paq | crosses his fingers |
| 20:12:51 | kergoth`lunch | Aimio: and the ftp sync password is hardcoded to 'rootme' atm |
| 20:12:52 | Aimio | i need to firewall |
| 20:12:56 | kergoth`lunch | 'firewall' |
| 20:12:59 | kergoth`lunch | buzzwords |
| 20:13:04 | kergoth`lunch | tell me what you're really trying to do |
| 20:14:23 | Aimio | well, I (will eventually) have usbdnet with my Z connected to that meaning I can use feeds. However ppl on our lan can ping the Zaurus and my brother for example can probably help himslef |
| 20:14:35 | kergoth`lunch | 'help himself' |
| 20:14:46 | kergoth`lunch | you can set a root password to lock down the access via ssh |
| 20:15:01 | Aimio | ic |
| 20:15:04 | kergoth`lunch | but as i said, the ftp access for the sync software has a hardcoded password of 'rootme' at the moment |
| 20:15:25 | kergoth`lunch | which means of course, he can freely download your pim data |
| 20:15:29 | kergoth`lunch | but for that |
| 20:15:38 | kergoth`lunch | you can set an ip range thats allowed to access it in Security |
| 20:16:01 | kergoth`lunch | if you're really feeling paranoid, you can install iptables and block things that way :) |
| 20:16:15 | Aimio | ic, the ip range isn't avail in the normal sharp software, thx |
| 20:16:23 | kergoth`lunch | np |
| 20:16:40 | aman | kergoth`lunch anything new? |
| 20:17:23 | Neo|Work | kergoth`lunch: I never saw: Does upgrading the kernel fix the jffs issue? |
| 20:17:25 | kergoth`lunch | aman: testing current cvs HEAD light & power to see if we still need to keep the old one |
| 20:17:40 | kergoth`lunch | Neo|Work: the only upgraded kernel available is 2.4.7, and thats not available for public testing yet. |
| 20:17:52 | Neo|Work | just wondering |
| 20:17:56 | Neo|Work | I can't upgrade anyway |
| 20:21:17 | NetNut404_work | is trying to understand how to cross comple for the Z |
| 20:21:48 | nasa | Stupid question -- if one is worried about security couldn't one suspend the Z? |
| 20:22:33 | Neo|Work | # /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe |
| 20:22:33 | Neo|Work | Bus error |
| 20:22:35 | Neo|Work | oh the joy |
| 20:22:38 | NetNut404_work | what ibot says about xcompile does not tell me alot |
| 20:22:52 | | hmmm... xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) or ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-3.2.tar.bz2 |
| 20:22:52 | NetNut404_work | ibot: xcompile |
| 20:23:09 | kergoth | Neo|Work: fun. sounds like you upgraded opie-taskbar but not opie-base, libopie, and the applets.. or something very similar. if you upgrade one, upgrade them all |
| 20:23:24 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: it tells you all you need to know. extract it, put it in the path, and you're on your way |
| 20:23:37 | aman | kergoth what about todo/ |
| 20:24:02 | NetNut404_work | kergoth: on my way.. but how do I specify in a configure for example what archetecture I am compiling for ? |
| 20:24:04 | Neo|Work | kergoth: working on it. it's just so weirdly slow (yeah, I know, known issue) |
| 20:24:28 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: read the autoconf documentation on gnu.org. generally its --host=arm-linux --build=x86-linux |
| 20:24:33 | kergoth | Neo|Work: yeah |
| 20:24:46 | kergoth | aman: we should likely stick with the stable todo for now, the new one needs more testing |
| 20:24:50 | Neo|Work | you know what would be really nice in ipkg in general? progressbar |
| 20:24:55 | Neo|Work | like rpm has nowadays |
| 20:24:59 | kergoth | Neo|Work: agreed. |
| 20:25:07 | kergoth | they should swipe the wget progressbar or something |
| 20:25:36 | Neo|Work | well, it's not hard to write a progressbar, just have to get decent information for it |
| 20:25:46 | Neo|Work | ok, so now all is upgraded |
| 20:26:03 | Neo|Work | but it still fails so something somewhere is broken |
| 20:26:21 | kergoth | everything is upgraded but it still doesnt start? |
| 20:26:25 | kergoth | dont run the binary directly |
| 20:26:28 | kergoth | /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 20:26:33 | kergoth | is the correct means |
| 20:26:41 | Neo|Work | I know |
| 20:26:58 | Neo|Work | something obviously broke when I got those write interrupted issues |
| 20:27:12 | kergoth | geh, too bad ipkg's -force-reinstall function is broken |
| 20:27:20 | Neo|Work | broken how? |
| 20:27:21 | kergoth | could ipkg install opie-remove and then reinstall it |
| 20:27:35 | kergoth | broken as in it returns 'blah is up to date' and doesnt reinstall it |
| 20:27:37 | cbok | paq - i know wep isn't secure |
| 20:27:41 | KallDrexx | hola |
| 20:27:45 | cbok | paq - i break it on a monthly basis |
| 20:27:56 | cbok | paq - i work in the information security field |
| 20:27:56 | KallDrexx | hola chouimat|bored |
| 20:28:05 | chouimat|bored | hi KallDrexx |
| 20:28:07 | KallDrexx | chouimat|bored: lol in exult it started thundering and raining and my z ran out of memory |
| 20:28:21 | chouimat|bored | KallDrexx: add swap |
| 20:28:21 | Neo|Work | kergoth: Ah, well, it works when you install packages directly so I ipkg download them first |
| 20:28:26 | Neo|Work | and that works as far as I can see |
| 20:28:31 | KallDrexx | chouimat|bored: swap? |
| 20:28:57 | chouimat|bored | KallDrexx: add a swapfile |
| 20:29:02 | KallDrexx | chouimat|bored: how? |
| 20:29:23 | KallDrexx | kergoth: going ot test the thing out now |
| 20:29:31 | Neo|Work | kergoth: how large is libopie? |
| 20:30:37 | kergoth | Neo|Work: looks like the lib itself, uncompressed, is around 872k (stripped) |
| 20:31:42 | paq | cbok - know of any program that automatically rotates wep key periodically? |
| 20:32:07 | chouimat|bored | hmmm what the diff between logo-new and logo-orignal (look the sames) |
| 20:32:37 | scanline | logo-new is antialiased and dithered... no little crispy bits on the edges of everything |
| 20:32:49 | KallDrexx | chouimat|bored: so how do I add a swapfile? |
| 20:33:04 | chouimat|bored | KallDrexx: check swapon |
| 20:33:32 | KallDrexx | kergoth: you alive? |
| 20:34:46 | aman | hmmm |
| 20:34:54 | Neo|Work | ah, there, better |
| 20:42:33 | paq | time to sleep... later all |
| 20:42:38 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 20:45:26 | KallDrexx | chouimat|bored: where's swapon? |
| 20:48:08 | Neo|Work | hrm. are there like meta-packages that depends on of other stuff? |
| 20:48:31 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ipkg info|grep task-opie |
| 20:48:37 | Neo|Work | that's what I thought |
| 20:50:08 | | oz snapshot is, like, http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile my own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 20:50:08 | beattie | ibot oz snapshot |
| 20:51:09 | Neo|Work | kergoth: I'm installing all those so I guess I'll get a bunch of packages now |
| 20:52:59 | kergoth | Neo|Work: task-opie-complete will not install |
| 20:53:09 | kergoth | Neo|Work: a *full* opie install of every single opie package takes like 32 megs |
| 20:53:12 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:53:54 | KallDrexx | kergoth: hey |
| 20:53:59 | KallDrexx | kergoth: got some info fory ou |
| 20:54:28 | Neo|Work | kergoth: I have 64 MB SD |
| 20:54:33 | Neo|Work | that said, it just segfaulted on me |
| 20:55:16 | kergoth | Neo|Work: oh you're installing all the tasks to sd? from aqpkg or ipkg or what? |
| 20:55:29 | kergoth | KallDrexx: email it to kergoth@handhelds.org so i dont forget |
| 20:55:38 | NetNut404_work | once you compile and you make.. how do you do the "make install" when you are cross compiling? |
| 20:55:44 | kergoth | hm? |
| 20:55:52 | KallDrexx | kergoth: well it's just a small result to my test |
| 20:56:10 | kergoth | generally you use make DESTDIR=/path/to/the/ipk/temp/dir install, and then you create an ipk from that temp dir |
| 20:56:16 | kergoth | assuming you're creating an ipk for the package in question |
| 20:56:20 | kergoth | read the ipkg docs |
| 20:56:23 | KallDrexx | kergoth: when icome out of suspend mode apps that are on my compact flash get shutdown, most likely due to the same thing that causes the reset to cardomn |
| 20:56:43 | kergoth | nothing 'resets' cardmon. cardmon just *displays* whats going on. it doesnt do anything on its own |
| 20:56:49 | kergoth | okay, i'll look into it |
| 20:57:02 | kergoth | KallDrexx: did this occur on the Sharp rom? |
| 20:57:12 | KallDrexx | kergoth: no |
| 20:57:13 | kergoth | i've never installed packages to cf, and i dont own a sd :) |
| 20:57:29 | KallDrexx | kergoth: and games on root don't close after resume either |
| 20:57:36 | KallDrexx | kergoth: yeah well i have a 5kd, so i have no room |
| 20:57:42 | kergoth | gotcha. |
| 20:57:46 | Neo|Work | kergoth: aqpkg |
| 20:57:57 | kergoth | Neo|Work: what segfaulted? |
| 20:58:01 | Neo|Work | opie |
| 20:58:04 | Neo|Work | (i.e qpe) |
| 20:58:09 | KallDrexx | kergoth: so that might be something to look into as I would love to just suspend with my exult game open or reversi or whatnot |
| 20:58:56 | kergoth | KallDrexx: hrm. alrighty, i'll check into it. |
| 21:00:33 | KallDrexx | cool |
| 21:04:13 | AndyQ|Away | is back (gone 00:42:23) |
| 21:04:20 | AndyQ | back |
| 21:06:35 | Dessimat0r | wb |
| 21:07:11 | NetNut404_work | is there a walkthrough on making a ipkg from a tar.gz ? |
| 21:07:26 | kergoth | KallDrexx: i have reports that this behavior occurs on the sharp rom as well |
| 21:07:35 | kergoth | KallDrexx: not on SD, but only apps installed to CF |
| 21:07:42 | KallDrexx | kergoth: well |
| 21:07:48 | bipolar | kergoth: Someone found more 'features', eh? |
| 21:07:49 | KallDrexx | kergoth: sharp rom wouldnt' let me install stuff to CF |
| 21:07:53 | KallDrexx | kergoth: so i wouldn't know |
| 21:07:58 | KallDrexx | kergoth: forgot about that fact sorry |
| 21:08:22 | kergoth | gotcha. |
| 21:08:22 | kergoth | np |
| 21:08:55 | kergoth | KallDrexx: i suspect its a general pcmcia-cs thing. not OZ specific, so it wont hold up the release. but I'll look into it at some point here, as that'd give us another leg up on the sharp rom |
| 21:09:06 | Neo|Work | kergoth: hmm, there's no bash in opie? |
| 21:09:11 | Neo|Work | s/opie/oz/ |
| 21:09:33 | kergoth | Neo|Work: we use busybox ash atm, as bash is hugee |
| 21:10:04 | AndyQ | kergoth: got a small question - I've read a few threads oabout people having spare batteries. I thought that when you replaced a bettery it was the same as doing a hard reset (it is with the Sharp Rom). Is this behaviour the same with OZ? |
| 21:10:10 | Neo|Work | well, I want a HUGE bash because busybox sh sucks |
| 21:10:12 | Neo|Work | ::) |
| 21:10:22 | Neo|Work | I mean, having busybox sh is fine but I want the option to use bash... |
| 21:11:26 | kergoth | AndyQ: theres a backup battery |
| 21:11:26 | KallDrexx | kergoth: thanks i'd appreciate it |
| 21:11:30 | zecke | hi |
| 21:11:38 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i'll put a bash ipk in the feed. you can certainly use it if you like. |
| 21:11:51 | Neo|Work | likewise, busybox top sucks. :)) |
| 21:12:09 | kergoth | yes, busybox top definately sucks, i agree |
| 21:12:54 | AndyQ | kergoth: I know that, but definately on the Sharp ROM (the original one - haven't taken the battery out since) when you removed the battery it was the equivilant of doing a hard reset - crap but I remember at the time checking it at least 3 times coz I couldn't believe it |
| 21:13:27 | kergoth | AndyQ: the backup battery will retain power to the RAM. |
| 21:13:46 | kergoth | AndyQ: worst case even if it didnt you'd lose mtdram contents, you wouldnt lose the rtc or the other things that only occur on a 'full reset' |
| 21:14:11 | kergoth | i'll test it here. hold up |
| 21:15:07 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: do you ever use your Z for PIM stuff |
| 21:15:33 | AndyQ | kergoth: Yeah - thats what I like about OZ - the main stuff (not mtdram) is kept (all the batch files painstakingly written and no backup remained - that was what stopped me ever going back to Sharp) |
| 21:16:14 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: yeah, but half the time i forget to backup my data when i reflash |
| 21:16:48 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 21:16:53 | AndyQ | heh - after my first need for a hard reset I was so relieved everything was there - backup was done immediately so I've got most things I need |
| 21:17:06 | kergoth | speaking of the writable flash, I should switch us to the stock CFI driver instead of the driver we're using now |
| 21:17:07 | [DrEvil] | now you have a backup app |
| 21:17:07 | [DrEvil] | but does that app work |
| 21:17:28 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: the backup app sorta/kinda works. i'm playing with it now, I may make some alterations to it. it needs a bit of work yet |
| 21:17:48 | kergoth | i'd like to get it cleaned up a bit before the release, but its been held up for so long i'd hate to hold up the release any longer |
| 21:18:03 | kergoth | everything else seems pretty solid. except that suspend/resume while in cradle beahvior people reported |
| 21:18:07 | kergoth | i need to verify that |
| 21:18:13 | kergoth | digs his cradle out of his duffel bag |
| 21:20:22 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:20:40 | KallDrexx | hmm |
| 21:20:43 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:20:53 | AndyQ | hmm |
| 21:20:54 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:20:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ok whats this about fbvnc? |
| 21:21:04 | TheMasterMind1 | *ibot* From: kergoth at Mon Oct 28 10:42:06 2002: ping me regarding the status of the fbvncserver package and docwhat's bugs. we need to get this release out. |
| 21:21:11 | TheMasterMind1 | and how do i do speed testing with my socket? |
| 21:21:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: wanted to know if you had any fixes for any of the fbvnc bugs |
| 21:21:27 | TheMasterMind1 | you didn't get them? |
| 21:21:31 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll forward to you |
| 21:21:32 | bipolar | w00t! Debain unstable is getting gcc 3.2 and KDE 3.1 this week |
| 21:21:38 | kergoth | bipolar: sweeeet |
| 21:21:48 | KallDrexx | bipolar: uh i've had gcc 3.2 for some time |
| 21:21:55 | KallDrexx | bipolar: the debian packages... |
| 21:21:56 | kergoth | KallDrexx: yes, but now its the main compiler |
| 21:21:57 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: sweeeeeeeeet |
| 21:22:01 | TheMasterMind1 | what about gnome2 |
| 21:22:02 | KallDrexx | kergoth: ohh that thing |
| 21:22:05 | KallDrexx | yeah that's cool |
| 21:22:18 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: I don't run Gnome, sorry |
| 21:22:30 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sent |
| 21:22:59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: btw, DaJoker is working on mozilla-qt for qte :) |
| 21:23:14 | kergoth | hah, cool |
| 21:23:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the sdcontrol fix is in bk |
| 21:23:29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: networksetup works pretty well out of hte box |
| 21:23:33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: and another issue, we need to do something about this lcdscrewup on reboot issue |
| 21:23:33 | kergoth | not much pending atm |
| 21:23:36 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:23:43 | kergoth | lcd going weird on reboot is not critical |
| 21:23:45 | TheMasterMind1 | apparently it happens when you reboot twice without suspend or whatever |
| 21:23:48 | TheMasterMind1 | yes it is critical |
| 21:23:50 | kergoth | dood |
| 21:23:50 | TheMasterMind1 | because |
| 21:23:51 | kergoth | you're on crack |
| 21:23:54 | TheMasterMind1 | it burns the screen |
| 21:23:56 | kergoth | that occurs with sharp too |
| 21:23:58 | badalex | kergoth: the bug was fixed! but some more were found?... that sucks ass |
| 21:24:01 | kergoth | and its kernel specific |
| 21:24:04 | nadav | boo |
| 21:24:11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yes, but it actually burns marks onto the screen |
| 21:24:15 | kergoth | i told you already, that *will not* be fixed until we upgrade the kernel |
| 21:24:18 | kergoth | then you can fucking fix it. |
| 21:24:24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:24:24 | kergoth | good luck. |
| 21:24:25 | TheMasterMind1 | fine |
| 21:24:33 | Wembly | how does it manage to burn marks onto the screen? |
| 21:24:37 | kergoth | cause there's no way in hell you'll fix it |
| 21:24:44 | TheMasterMind1 | we could hack it, just have it turn off the screen before a reboot |
| 21:25:15 | scan[ibook] | TheMasterMind1: if you're talking about what I think you are, that's not a problem. Most newer color LCDs do the same thing |
| 21:25:31 | TheMasterMind1 | what am i talking about? |
| 21:25:34 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't really know |
| 21:25:38 | TheMasterMind1 | i just heard about this |
| 21:25:40 | TheMasterMind1 | seems bad |
| 21:25:43 | Wembly | the little streaks? |
| 21:25:48 | scan[ibook] | TheMasterMind1: the only way it would damage the LCD is if the AC modulation stopped, and that would cause a solid line or something similar |
| 21:25:53 | Wembly | that appear when you reboot the system? |
| 21:25:57 | TheMasterMind1 | Wembly: yea |
| 21:26:05 | kergoth | scan[ibook]: there are reports that the Z hangs if you reboot without having suspended it at all. this is *completely* independent of the weird graphics on the lcd |
| 21:26:10 | Wembly | then it slowly fades? |
| 21:26:19 | TheMasterMind1 | Wembly: yes, but sometimes it just hangs there |
| 21:26:20 | scan[ibook] | kergoth: hmm |
| 21:26:23 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: anyway, what other issues out there? |
| 21:26:32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm curious as to how you're going to fix a problem when you arent even clear on what it is |
| 21:26:36 | Wembly | it'll fade away given enough time. |
| 21:26:42 | Wembly | generaly 30 seconds is enough |
| 21:26:48 | Wembly | or untill the device is powered back on |
| 21:26:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: afaik there arent any. right now i'm testing usb networking behavior with regard to suspend/resume |
| 21:26:52 | scan[ibook] | I was just talking about the graphics... a Game Boy Color will do the same thing |
| 21:27:17 | Wembly | pfft |
| 21:27:18 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ok |
| 21:27:22 | TheMasterMind1 | what about that time thing |
| 21:27:23 | Wembly | gameboy period did it |
| 21:27:26 | Wembly | the orignal. |
| 21:27:27 | kergoth | guys |
| 21:27:28 | TheMasterMind1 | ever narrow that down? |
| 21:27:34 | scan[ibook] | Wembly: no, the original was different |
| 21:27:37 | kergoth | anyone reproduce the supsepnd/resume issues with usb networking? |
| 21:27:41 | kergoth | cause i just tested it |
| 21:27:43 | kergoth | and it works flawlessly |
| 21:27:45 | Wembly | i dunno |
| 21:27:46 | kergoth | i can suspend onthe cradle |
| 21:27:47 | kergoth | resume it |
| 21:27:48 | Wembly | i think i mighta |
| 21:27:51 | kergoth | and boom, interface is back up |
| 21:27:55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:28:03 | scan[ibook] | Wembly: the color would have a fading pattern from the center of the screen, same as the Z. Original gameboy would usually leave one row of pixels black for a few seconds |
| 21:28:03 | Wembly | suspend on the craddle pick it up |
| 21:28:06 | Wembly | then resume |
| 21:28:08 | TheMasterMind1 | what about the thing where you put a suspended Z on the cradle |
| 21:28:09 | Wembly | then stick it back on the craddle |
| 21:28:15 | Wembly | i think that might do it |
| 21:28:18 | Wembly | or suspend off the craddle. |
| 21:28:20 | Wembly | the resume on the craddle. |
| 21:28:21 | AndyQ | kergoth: I'll give it a go....... |
| 21:28:38 | Wembly | and do it a few times in a row |
| 21:28:47 | Wembly | might wanta turn on the debugging in hotplug too :) |
| 21:29:36 | TheMasterMind1 | packages/kernel/logo-new.ppm |
| 21:29:37 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 21:29:38 | TheMasterMind1 | what changed? |
| 21:29:39 | AndyQ | kergoth: 1st resume was fine, but network didn't come upremoved from cradle, put back on, network came up. Suspended then resumed, - hang |
| 21:30:11 | AndyQ | reboots Zaurus |
| 21:30:26 | kergoth | okay i think i found it |
| 21:30:31 | kergoth | it doesnt do anything for netowrk |
| 21:30:37 | kergoth | devices on suspend/resume |
| 21:30:51 | kergoth | it should probably run ifdown, ifup for suspend/resume respectively |
| 21:31:07 | Wembly | kergoth: good luck :) |
| 21:31:09 | kergoth | right now, if i suspend on the cradle then resume, i have to manually ifup usbd0 to bring it up |
| 21:31:12 | kergoth | good luck? |
| 21:31:17 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: also, how come if i eject my wifi card, suspend, resume, the wifi card is back |
| 21:31:18 | kergoth | just have to add an item to /etc/hotplug/net.agent |
| 21:31:19 | kergoth | easy enough |
| 21:31:21 | Wembly | kergoth: if you look at the code path in the usbd stack |
| 21:31:23 | TheMasterMind1 | why does it insert on suspend? |
| 21:31:25 | TheMasterMind1 | is it supposed to? |
| 21:31:32 | TheMasterMind1 | s/suspend/resume |
| 21:31:33 | Wembly | the network goes up every time you add/remove the net_fd module |
| 21:31:34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it doesnt eject/insert on suspend |
| 21:31:40 | kergoth | Wembly: .. and? |
| 21:31:44 | Wembly | and ifup/ifdown is handled by the net.agent |
| 21:31:45 | kergoth | i'm not removing net_fd |
| 21:31:47 | kergoth | i know it is |
| 21:31:52 | Wembly | and the add/removing of net_fd is handled by usbd.agent |
| 21:31:55 | kergoth | adn there's no resume/suspend in the case statmetn in net.agent |
| 21:31:59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: eject the card and leave it in the socket, suspend, resume, the card is back |
| 21:32:02 | AndyQ | kergoth: if you tell me what you've added to /etc/hotpug/net.agent - I'm happy to test it here - I can crash at will :) |
| 21:32:09 | Wembly | theres just no signal being sent to hotplug is the problem that i figured it out as |
| 21:32:22 | kergoth | no signal sent to hotplug *when*? |
| 21:32:32 | Wembly | i dont remember *laugh* |
| 21:32:36 | kergoth | bah |
| 21:32:37 | kergoth | damnit |
| 21:32:39 | Wembly | the problem seemed to me to be driver related. |
| 21:32:41 | kergoth | mutters and digs into the code |
| 21:33:00 | Wembly | basicly its that whole.. |
| 21:33:05 | Wembly | network still exists when craddle is removed |
| 21:33:11 | JasonNJ | que pasa. |
| 21:33:13 | Wembly | but usbd.agent never gets a signal that the network has been removed |
| 21:33:15 | TheMasterMind1 | JasonNJ: hey |
| 21:33:20 | Wembly | so it keeps the net_fd module loaded |
| 21:33:39 | kergoth | um |
| 21:33:39 | Wembly | so it never unloads the net_fd module. cus its not plugged in. |
| 21:33:43 | kergoth | Wembly: suspend event doesnt unload net_fd |
| 21:33:44 | Wembly | err |
| 21:33:47 | kergoth | Wembly: it unloads sa1100_bi |
| 21:33:56 | Wembly | err |
| 21:34:01 | kergoth | Wembly: and usbd.agent does catch both the suspend and the restore-loaded events |
| 21:34:17 | kergoth | now the question is |
| 21:34:21 | Wembly | sa1100_bi i think should or did or does unload net_fd |
| 21:34:25 | Wembly | i dont remember |
| 21:34:28 | Wembly | its been awhile since i wrote it |
| 21:35:03 | kergoth | s/wrote/read/ |
| 21:35:05 | Wembly | what is the problem again? |
| 21:35:15 | kergoth | problem is the interface is down after suspend/resume |
| 21:35:22 | kergoth | i have to manually ifup the inerface |
| 21:35:22 | Wembly | ahh |
| 21:35:23 | kergoth | then all is well |
| 21:35:25 | Wembly | add a sleep in there |
| 21:35:30 | Wembly | it gets mixed up |
| 21:35:31 | kergoth | so i'm tempted to just add suspend/restore-loaded to net.agent |
| 21:35:48 | Wembly | the signal for adding the module occurs before the signal for removing the module accors |
| 21:35:51 | badalex | kergoth: so what are the new bugs?... |
| 21:35:54 | Wembly | so it adds the module and says its already added |
| 21:35:57 | Wembly | then removes it |
| 21:36:00 | Wembly | so add a sleep on adding it |
| 21:36:01 | kergoth | then removes what? |
| 21:36:05 | Wembly | that might fix it |
| 21:36:08 | kergoth | all the modules are loaded |
| 21:36:09 | TheMasterMind1 | badalex: almost all are fixed now |
| 21:36:14 | kergoth | its just the interface is down |
| 21:36:15 | TheMasterMind1 | badalex: some issues with sd and fbvnc |
| 21:36:23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: sd is fixed |
| 21:36:23 | badalex | TheMasterMind1: sure... lol, oh right |
| 21:36:30 | Wembly | add a sleep to usbd0 interfaces iface entry |
| 21:36:34 | Wembly | on pre-up sleep 3 |
| 21:36:38 | Wembly | err add a pre-up sleep3 |
| 21:36:43 | Wembly | that should fix the problem i think. |
| 21:37:10 | Wembly | if that fixes the problem |
| 21:37:17 | Wembly | then you can add it into the usbd.agent |
| 21:37:34 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:37:38 | Wembly | basicly if you turn on debugging. you'll see when it suspend then resumes.. |
| 21:37:46 | kergoth | add it where in usbd.agent? |
| 21:37:46 | Wembly | it'll run in the order.. ifup usbd0 ifdown usbd0 |
| 21:37:54 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:38:00 | TheMasterMind1 | need more changelog stuff |
| 21:38:05 | Wembly | so you need to add it to when it loads up the module. |
| 21:38:08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: whats changed? |
| 21:38:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm updating it |
| 21:38:15 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: that's what i want to know |
| 21:38:19 | Wembly | that 'might' fix the problem. |
| 21:38:22 | TheMasterMind1 | added this sd and fbvnc stuff to the changelog |
| 21:38:29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fbvnc isnt fixed in bk yet |
| 21:38:31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: sd is |
| 21:38:33 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:38:36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dont add every stupid little bugfix |
| 21:38:40 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 21:38:45 | kergoth | they dont care about all the specifics |
| 21:38:46 | TheMasterMind1 | fine |
| 21:38:48 | kergoth | most wont anyway |
| 21:38:53 | Wembly | i had it there at one point and added a few other things.. then removed it and couldnt reproduce it. |
| 21:39:40 | Wembly | kergoth: itd suck tho to have a bug that was bugging the crap outa you and you read the changelist and never see that bug being fixed but it was fixed years ago ;) |
| 21:39:46 | Wembly | and you go along with life thinking it was never fixed |
| 21:39:55 | kergoth | well, major fixes yet |
| 21:39:59 | kergoth | minor stupid tweaks no |
| 21:40:04 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 21:40:09 | kergoth | Wembly: there was already a sleep 2 after the modprobe of sa1100_bi |
| 21:40:15 | Wembly | try adding pre-up sleep 3 to the usbd0 iface in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:40:21 | Wembly | errr |
| 21:40:59 | Wembly | drat |
| 21:40:59 | Wembly | *ponders* |
| 21:41:43 | TheMasterMind1 | Gconv modules for libc6 (GCONV-MODULES) [N/y] y |
| 21:41:43 | TheMasterMind1 | what is that exactly? |
| 21:41:43 | Wembly | what the hell try adding it to /etc/network/interfaces too |
| 21:42:08 | Wembly | just for the hell of it |
| 21:42:17 | Wembly | see if that fixes the problem? |
| 21:46:46 | TheMasterMind1 | downloads X source |
| 21:50:37 | neale | I think gconv has something to do with il8n |
| 21:51:47 | cbok | |
| 21:51:47 | cbok | |
| 21:51:47 | cbok | |
| 21:51:47 | cbok | |
| 21:51:47 | cbok | |
| 21:51:49 | cbok | sorry |
| 21:51:53 | cbok | damn connection |
| 21:51:54 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:52:00 | cbok | lagged on a t1 |
| 21:52:04 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 21:52:06 | cbok | with 3 people on it |
| 21:52:09 | egv | bummer... that's not right ;) |
| 21:52:15 | cbok | goes to investigate who's streaming porn |
| 21:52:22 | egv | heh |
| 21:52:47 | TheMasterMind1 | cbok: noooooo, dont' cut it off!! |
| 21:53:15 | neale | porn is funny |
| 21:53:39 | neale | IT IS TO LAUGH! |
| 21:54:17 | TheMasterMind1 | gets off his ass and writes some code |
| 21:56:43 | scan[ibook] | gconv is character set conversion |
| 21:57:35 | neale | there ya go |
| 21:57:49 | neale | it's like iconv, only with a G. |
| 21:58:12 | AndyQ | kergoth: The buildroot didn't build aqpkg - so when I try to create an image it fails coz aqpkg aint there - any ideas? |
| 21:58:22 | TheMasterMind1 | AndyQ: yea, something's up with it |
| 21:58:29 | TheMasterMind1 | mkipks fails when making aqpkg ipk |
| 21:58:45 | neale | Those nutty FSF guys. If they had their druthers, we'd all call it the Gnunited States of Gamerica. |
| 21:59:19 | TheMasterMind1 | laptop:/zaurus/buildroot/build/opie# ./mkipks noncore/apps/aqpkg/aqpkg.control |
| 21:59:19 | TheMasterMind1 | ln: creating symbolic link `/ipaq/etc/rc2.d/S96opieatd' to `../init.d/opieatd': No such file or directory |
| 21:59:26 | TheMasterMind1 | ./mkipks: /zaurus/buildroot/build/opie/noncore/apps/aqpkg/aqpkg.control: No such file: pics/aqpkg |
| 21:59:27 | TheMasterMind1 | ./mkipks: /zaurus/buildroot/build/opie/noncore/apps/aqpkg/aqpkg.control: No such file: apps/Settings/aqpkg.desktop |
| 21:59:27 | TheMasterMind1 | Not building aqpkg_..-_arm package |
| 21:59:40 | TheMasterMind1 | it iddn' build |
| 21:59:53 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:59:57 | kergoth | builds fine here |
| 22:00:19 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 22:00:26 | TheMasterMind1 | laptop:/zaurus/buildroot/build/opie/noncore/apps/aqpkg# ls aqpkg |
| 22:00:27 | TheMasterMind1 | aqpkg |
| 22:00:27 | TheMasterMind1 | its there |
| 22:00:34 | kergoth | whats there? |
| 22:00:36 | TheMasterMind1 | wasn't copied to build/opie/bin/ for some reason |
| 22:00:37 | kergoth | um |
| 22:00:39 | TheMasterMind1 | the binary was created |
| 22:00:46 | kergoth | my binary is in build/opie/bin/ |
| 22:00:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:00:50 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno |
| 22:01:02 | AndyQ | I get the same as TMM1 |
| 22:01:04 | kergoth | ahh |
| 22:01:06 | kergoth | found it |
| 22:01:09 | kergoth | your .pro is fucked |
| 22:01:13 | kergoth | you dont have DESTDIR or TARGET |
| 22:01:16 | kergoth | er |
| 22:01:21 | kergoth | you have target, no DESTDIR |
| 22:01:44 | AndyQ | !dratsab - what should it be? |
| 22:01:59 | kergoth | DESTDIR = $(OPIEDIR)/bin |
| 22:02:04 | kergoth | copy from a known working package |
| 22:02:07 | kergoth | thats what i always do |
| 22:02:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:02:12 | AndyQ | heh |
| 22:03:56 | | dajoker was last seen on #openzaurus 6 hours, 56 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: why would you suspend in the cradle? [Mon Oct 28 08:07:14 2002] |
| 22:03:56 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen dajoker |
| 22:03:59 | NetNut404_work | what's something that is from say linux in general that would be a good easy rist test cross-compile to the Z ? |
| 22:04:16 | kergoth | you could always compile OZ |
| 22:04:19 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:04:29 | kergoth | that builds busybox, tinylogin, a number of others |
| 22:04:33 | TheMasterMind1 | i want to run OZ on my laptop :) |
| 22:05:11 | NetNut404_work | something is not right |
| 22:05:20 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: ? |
| 22:05:25 | kergoth | what something |
| 22:05:38 | kergoth | all you have to do is extract the toolchain and add it to your path |
| 22:05:41 | NetNut404_work | everything I " coss compiled" complains about a sytax error when I try to execute teh, |
| 22:05:55 | NetNut404_work | s/teh/them |
| 22:06:03 | TheMasterMind1 | NetNut404_work: um, that's becaue you can't run it on a desktop/laptop |
| 22:06:06 | TheMasterMind1 | only on the Z |
| 22:06:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:06:17 | kergoth | running ARM binaries on x86 box = nono |
| 22:06:25 | NetNut404_work | TheMasterMind1: no.. when I run it on the Z terminal |
| 22:06:34 | TheMasterMind1 | then you didn't cross compile it |
| 22:06:38 | TheMasterMind1 | you compiled it for x86 |
| 22:06:42 | TheMasterMind1 | messed up somewhere |
| 22:06:45 | | well, xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) or ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-3.2.tar.bz2 |
| 22:06:45 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot xcompile |
| 22:07:01 | NetNut404_work | TheMasterMind1: that's what I have been using |
| 22:07:08 | AndyQ | FUCK - updated cvs to 1.11.2 and when I try to commit I get a cannot exec rsh: No such file or directory |
| 22:07:08 | AndyQ | end of file from server (consult above messages if any) WTF? |
| 22:07:16 | kergoth | AndyQ: export CVS_RSH=ssh |
| 22:07:34 | TheMasterMind1 | ghjk,. |
| 22:07:47 | AndyQ | kergoth: cheers - easy when you know how! |
| 22:08:09 | NetNut404_work | TheMasterMind1: I have been doing my configure's with ./configure --host=arm-linux --build=x86-linux --prefix=/opt/QtPalmtop/ |
| 22:08:49 | AndyQ | OK, aqpkg.pro commited - how do I get it into bk? |
| 22:09:02 | NetNut404_work | TheMasterMind1: and my make's to make DESTDIR=/home/userdir/temp/ |
| 22:09:05 | AndyQ | bk pull says Nothing to pull from http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot |
| 22:09:11 | kergoth | AndyQ: hmm? |
| 22:09:16 | kergoth | AndyQ: none of opie is in bk |
| 22:09:23 | kergoth | AndyQ: the buildroot pulls opie from cvs |
| 22:09:46 | AndyQ | I'm running bk pull from the buildroot-oz dir |
| 22:09:48 | kergoth | AndyQ: cd build/opie; CVS_PASSFILE=`pwd`/../../.cvspass cvs up -Pd; date +%Y%m%d > stamp-version; cd ../..; rm stamps/.opie.binary; make; |
| 22:09:51 | kergoth | AndyQ: for what? |
| 22:09:56 | kergoth | AndyQ: nothing changed in the *bk* tree |
| 22:10:03 | kergoth | AndyQ: your changes are in the opie *cvs* repository |
| 22:10:05 | NetNut404_work | TheMasterMind1: and them a make DESTDIR=/home/userdir/temp/ INSTALL and then taring it up and copying it accross |
| 22:10:08 | kergoth | nothing changed in the oz buildroot |
| 22:10:50 | AndyQ | kergoth: ahhhhhh I thought it worked recursively |
| 22:10:56 | AndyQ | heads off to read bk docs |
| 22:11:04 | kergoth | bk pull is recursive |
| 22:11:05 | kergoth | dood |
| 22:11:12 | kergoth | none of our sources reside *in* the bk repository |
| 22:11:19 | kergoth | all the repos holds is makefiles and patches |
| 22:11:29 | kergoth | the buildroot then obtains, extracts, and builds each component source |
| 22:11:42 | kergoth | those sources do not reside in the bk repository upstrream, so bk pull doesnt touch them |
| 22:12:14 | AndyQ | so when would I use bk pull? |
| 22:12:21 | kergoth | when something in the bk tree changed |
| 22:12:26 | kergoth | like i add a new patch to one of the sources |
| 22:12:29 | kergoth | or change a makefile |
| 22:12:32 | kergoth | or add new items to OZ |
| 22:12:49 | kergoth | none of the component sources reside in bk, only *commands* to obtain and build those sources reside inbk |
| 22:13:05 | NetNut404_work | anyone see what I wrote to MasterMind1, and know what I did wrong in my compile ? |
| 22:13:26 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: i didnt see the compijle commands from your build, so i couldnt tell you |
| 22:13:28 | AndyQ | ahhh - it starts to clear - so cvs is still used within the opie tree (and other code areas) and bk is used for other stuff |
| 22:13:41 | kergoth | AndyQ: we obtain sources from whereever they reside upstream |
| 22:13:50 | kergoth | AndyQ: whether that be other bk tree, cvs repository, web or ftp site |
| 22:13:54 | kergoth | AndyQ: buildroot doesnt care where they come from |
| 22:14:11 | AndyQ | my mind ---------------> BOOOOM! |
| 22:14:17 | egv | heh |
| 22:14:29 | egv | I was just wondering how kergoth keeps all this stuff straight ;) |
| 22:15:23 | AndyQ | i'll never remember this - I'm gonna go into work tomorrow - and ask the same dumb questions again - actually I'm not coz I'll save the log |
| 22:15:52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:16:06 | kergoth | we tried to keep the buildroot as minimal as possible, so no upstream sources reside there |
| 22:16:06 | BZFlag | got a brain to spare? http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?BZFlag |
| 22:16:17 | kergoth | course this causes problems if the upstream source repos goes down, but not much we can do about that |
| 22:16:21 | kergoth | BZFlag: hehe |
| 22:16:39 | NetNut404_work | kergoth: I have been doing my configure's with ./configure --host=arm-linux --build=x86-linux --prefix=/opt/QtPalmtop/ |
| 22:16:57 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: --prefix= |
| 22:17:03 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: prefix is generally left as '' |
| 22:17:17 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: and then you set DESTDIR or what have you to the path to which you want make install to put things |
| 22:17:28 | kergoth | otherwise it could every well hardcode paths in the binaries to /opt/qtPalmtop |
| 22:17:30 | egv | BZFlag: heh.. only 11 so far, eh? |
| 22:17:34 | NetNut404_work | kergoth: I did it that way as well |
| 22:17:40 | BZFlag | egv: got you didn't I? ;-) |
| 22:17:51 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: well the way i told you is the correct way, and i still cnat tell you the problem without seeing the actual compilation messages |
| 22:17:54 | egv | BZFlag: yup |
| 22:17:59 | BZFlag | grins |
| 22:18:09 | NetNut404_work | kergoth: oh.. I C |
| 22:18:36 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: so if you'd like, 'make 2>&1 | tee log; cat log| mail kergoth@handhelds.org; |
| 22:18:40 | kergoth | ' |
| 22:18:50 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 22:25:57 | AndyQ | lo Dessimat0r |
| 22:27:42 | AndyQ | woot! I've got a number of zImages and an initrd.bin |
| 22:27:52 | nadav | hm |
| 22:27:56 | AndyQ | haven't a clue what I did and I doubt it will ever work again |
| 22:28:01 | egv | AndyQ: send some my way ;) |
| 22:28:06 | kergoth | AndyQ: hehe |
| 22:28:07 | nadav | heh |
| 22:28:16 | AndyQ | heh - if you want to test the out - be my guest :) |
| 22:28:22 | AndyQ | s/the/them |
| 22:28:35 | AndyQ | I'm not sure if I dare :) |
| 22:28:42 | egv | heh |
| 22:29:10 | NetNut404_work | kergoth: yeah.. it's definately not cross-compiled as it ran (but incorrectly) from the desktop |
| 22:29:20 | egv | I've just been waiting for oz3 to come out... I'm on 2.9.5.5, and was debating flashing to the prerelease last week, but kept thinking I'd wait until oz3 was done |
| 22:30:20 | ljp_work | go agead... do it... I dare ya... |
| 22:30:22 | AndyQ | egv - do it - it may be out today it may be out tomorrow - but you'll be another day older when it does come out |
| 22:30:27 | ljp_work | ahead even |
| 22:30:41 | egv | AndyQ: what, flash to prerelease? |
| 22:30:44 | AndyQ | and that will have been a day wasted you you could be experiencing the good stuff :) |
| 22:31:01 | AndyQ | egv: yup - I did it and I can give it up anytime I like :) |
| 22:31:16 | egv | AndyQ: heh, well I'm not experiencing anything at the moment because I borked my network setup and can't sync |
| 22:31:29 | AndyQ | egv: doh! |
| 22:31:40 | egv | AndyQ: *shrugs* pilot error, I'm sure. |
| 22:32:02 | egv | hmm... there's gotta be someone at work with a CF card reader... |
| 22:32:09 | egv | goes hunting |
| 22:32:55 | AndyQ | kergoth: now I've got a build, when I do an update I just need to update the cvs for whatever bit I'm interested in, set the stamp-version and do a make? |
| 22:33:11 | AndyQ | do I need to make clean or something at all? |
| 22:36:37 | noda | Moo! |
| 22:37:01 | kergoth | AndyQ: one other thing, just rm stamps/.opie.binary |
| 22:37:06 | kergoth | AndyQ: thatll force it to recompile opie |
| 22:37:23 | kergoth | AndyQ: you may also want to rm -rf output/rootfs, to force it to reinstall the new ipk into the rootfs |
| 22:37:57 | AndyQ | OK, and if I build another package - i.e. ipkg I'd rm stamps/.ipkg.binary |
| 22:38:30 | kergoth | if you just updated it from cvs and need it to recompile yeah |
| 22:38:49 | kergoth | if you alter a patch for example, you'd want it to re-extract it to apply the patches, in that case you'd make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg clean |
| 22:38:52 | AndyQ | how you guys ever remember how to do a build is beyond me - I've just about figured out configure :) |
| 22:39:00 | kergoth | which would force it to 1) re-extract, 2) re-build, and 3) re-ipk |
| 22:39:01 | noda | lol |
| 22:39:10 | kergoth | whereas removing the binary stamp just forces it to do 2) and 3) |
| 22:39:18 | noda | AndyQ: If you write the build process it's easier ;) |
| 22:39:25 | kergoth | I know more than I ever wanted to about this build stuff |
| 22:39:27 | kergoth | hehe, true that |
| 22:39:30 | AndyQ | heh |
| 22:39:45 | AndyQ | considers just waiting for OZ 3 :) |
| 22:40:45 | AndyQ | what goes in the rootfs directory and why did I have to an ipkg update using the ipkg.conf in the rootfs/etc dir coz it was trying to get the wrong oz-base from the feed dir? |
| 22:41:19 | noda | Oh my GOD... "Jackass" is #1 in the box office. |
| 22:41:26 | egv | sad... |
| 22:41:29 | kergoth | noda: hahaha |
| 22:41:31 | kergoth | thats so scary |
| 22:41:39 | noda | It's WELL ahead. |
| 22:41:48 | egv | what's it competing with? |
| 22:41:49 | kergoth | AndyQ: output/rootfs/ is hte root filesystem that will be the image |
| 22:42:02 | noda | egv: The Ring, Red Dragon |
| 22:42:07 | kergoth | AndyQ: feed? it installs packages from output/ipks/ |
| 22:42:14 | kergoth | The Transporter as well |
| 22:42:17 | noda | Punch Drunk Love is apparently an awesome movie, too. But movies that critics love usually aren't loved in the box office. |
| 22:42:19 | kergoth | that was a fscking sweet movie |
| 22:42:28 | kergoth | i gotta buy transporter when it comes out |
| 22:42:53 | AndyQ | right - I think its a little clearer |
| 22:43:02 | scan[ibook] | hasn't heard of any of these movies... must have been living in a.. oh, nevermind... |
| 22:43:08 | noda | I'm most interested in Punch Drunk Love - the thought of Adam Sandler in a serious role is so foreign to me, and I think he'd be good :) |
| 22:43:14 | AndyQ | kergoth: thanks for your help and patience :) |
| 22:43:21 | kergoth | AndyQ: anytime |
| 22:43:27 | AndyQ | have a good one all - later |
| 22:43:29 | kergoth | scan[ibook]: hehe |
| 22:43:33 | kergoth | noda: weirdd |
| 22:43:37 | egv | noda: my girlfriend saw it and liked it, which pretty much guarantees that I woulnd't |
| 22:43:41 | noda | egv: rofl |
| 22:43:56 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:44:29 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:44:33 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: sup |
| 22:44:36 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Heya :) |
| 22:45:00 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Next step: I'm gonna refine that db_make_table function. It'll be MUCH more configurable, using eval(). |
| 22:45:13 | noda | Then I'll do a db_print_list() function :) |
| 22:45:15 | kergoth | that reminds me, i need to finish tweaking the overview |
| 22:45:25 | noda | I gotta do my homework first though. Stupid lab reports. |
| 22:45:34 | kergoth | homework.. i remember not doing that |
| 22:45:41 | noda | The teacher gets someone to make an Excel spreadsheet and email it to everyone else in the class. So I have to plug in my numbers. |
| 22:45:46 | noda | kergoth: rofl, sucks eh? :) |
| 22:45:53 | noda | This is so mind-numbingly boring. |
| 22:45:57 | kergoth | yeah, my grades blew once i stopping doing it |
| 22:45:57 | egv | heh.. I don't mind my homework so much these days. but I sure hated it in college ;) |
| 22:45:59 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:46:00 | noda | (and this compared to *web design*) |
| 22:46:08 | kergoth | I hated it in high school, and i hated it in college |
| 22:46:19 | noda | I hate it in CEGEP (don't ask, the Quebec education system SUCKS!) |
| 22:46:22 | kergoth | I could never understand having to waste time reading or writing about something I already knew |
| 22:46:37 | kergoth | the US school system probably isnt much better |
| 22:46:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:47:02 | noda | kergoth: No, we have a 2-year school in between high school and university which accomplishes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. You get a useless paper out of it. |
| 22:47:17 | noda | Plus if I get accepted into either of the 2 universities I'm hoping for, this year will have been 100% useless. |
| 22:47:28 | noda | (which sucks, I'm getting 95%+ :P) |
| 22:47:36 | kergoth | er |
| 22:47:38 | kergoth | weird |
| 22:47:57 | egv | is that like an AA degree? |
| 22:48:02 | kergoth | thats what i was thinking |
| 22:48:22 | kergoth | though the credits towards the AA can go towards your bachelors, i wonder if thats true of theirs |
| 22:48:48 | noda | I don't even know what an AA is. But this can't go towards a Ba. |
| 22:48:49 | egv | geeze, I would hope. that'd be amazingly painful otherwise |
| 22:48:56 | egv | d'oh |
| 22:49:13 | kergoth | geh |
| 22:49:15 | kergoth | what a waste |
| 22:49:21 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 22:49:24 | egv | there has to be some point to all that... ? |
| 22:49:32 | egv | well, okay... maybe not, but still |
| 22:49:58 | noda | Absolutely no point unless I want to go to a university in Quebec. |
| 22:50:03 | noda | Which I probably won't end up doing. |
| 22:50:10 | kergoth | odd |
| 22:50:22 | egv | only Quebec or any canadian U? |
| 22:50:26 | noda | Only Quebec. |
| 22:50:33 | noda | The rest of Canada makes sense (though Ontario only very recently) |
| 22:50:48 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm fuck |
| 22:51:07 | egv | *shakes head* okay, I concede. I though school here was pretty f*cked up, but you've got me beat ;) |
| 22:51:15 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks kismet |
| 22:51:28 | noda | hates the government in his province :) |
| 22:51:34 | egv | move ? |
| 22:51:35 | TheMasterMind1 | screams "compile, bitch!" |
| 22:51:44 | noda | egv: Next year :P |
| 22:51:55 | noda | Gotta get accepted somewhere first. And if it's MIT, gotta get a massive scholarship :P |
| 22:52:21 | egv | there's always student loans... |
| 22:52:21 | chouimat|bored | noda: ? |
| 22:52:26 | noda | chouimat|bored: ? |
| 22:52:39 | beattie | im trying to build opie from sources cloned this morning "make[1]: *** [/home/beattie/OZ/buildroot-oz/stamps/.qt-embedded.sourcetree] Error 1" |
| 22:52:40 | noda | Yeah, a massive student loan then. Do you know what tuition costs there? :) |
| 22:53:21 | egv | I can guess. I know how much my loans were and I just went to a shitty state school |
| 22:53:31 | egv | s/were/are |
| 22:53:38 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 22:53:43 | TheMasterMind1 | kismet 2.6.2 seems to compile |
| 22:53:54 | chouimat|bored | egv: I know what I have to paid (about 450$ per months) |
| 22:53:59 | noda | gasps as he goes to MIT's website and the style is different :) |
| 22:54:25 | egv | chouimat|bored: yeah, that's not too far off from mine. |
| 22:54:40 | Onyx4 | hey |
| 22:54:43 | Onyx4 | does opie cvs compiles again? |
| 22:54:50 | Onyx4 | there was a problem in odevice.cpp |
| 22:55:05 | kergoth | it compiles |
| 22:55:06 | chouimat|bored | egv: will pay for 5 years :( |
| 22:55:16 | noda | Tuition, fees, room and board at $36,060 in 2002-03 |
| 22:55:20 | noda | $US |
| 22:55:23 | Onyx4 | has anyone tested the new cardmon for the bug with sd versus cf cards? |
| 22:55:34 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 22:55:47 | Onyx4 | ok I was going to upgrade my Z now if I can get it to build |
| 22:56:08 | TheMasterMind1 | so are we ready to release or what? |
| 22:56:14 | egv | chouimat|bored: I have no idea how long I've got left. I try not to think about it ;) |
| 22:56:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: just about, I'm updating the Overview page now |
| 22:56:48 | Onyx4 | what are the issues remaining? |
| 22:56:49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: can do you a download page quick? |
| 22:56:54 | TheMasterMind1 | oh yea |
| 22:56:57 | Onyx4 | I couldn't find anything about that hotplug+usb hang thing |
| 22:56:57 | kergoth | Onyx4: the elusive and unreproducable time issue |
| 22:56:59 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll put that up |
| 22:57:12 | noda | Whee. All the values are input. Now I just have to answer questions... oh yeah, and write introduction, conclusion, ... :( |
| 22:57:16 | noda | For two labs :( |
| 22:57:16 | kergoth | Onyx4: and the suspend/resume thing, if you 'ifup usbd0' after resuming the Z all is well, its a timing issue |
| 22:57:36 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm, weren't we going to chagne the zImage naming scheme? |
| 22:57:43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes, i just havent done it in bk yet |
| 22:57:47 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:57:48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hold up, i'll change that quick |
| 22:57:48 | noda | I always admire how school can make an interesting subject like Physics so unbelievably boring. |
| 22:57:53 | kergoth | we can rename them manually if we have to |
| 22:58:02 | kergoth | my school didnt make physics boring, thankfully |
| 22:58:08 | kergoth | i loved physics. i still love physics for that matter |
| 22:58:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:58:19 | kergoth | i shoudl go back to college one of these years |
| 22:58:19 | noda | My teacher's the best in the school. But the class still sucks :P |
| 22:58:23 | egv | my lecture was boring as hell (professor wrote our textbook), but labs were cool |
| 22:58:24 | noda | heh |
| 22:58:35 | noda | I don't mind the labs, I mind the lab *reports* |
| 22:58:41 | noda | I UNDERSTAND! |
| 22:58:45 | egv | yeah, those are a little painful |
| 22:58:52 | TheMasterMind1 | i like my school |
| 22:59:00 | TheMasterMind1 | schools for smart people are good |
| 22:59:00 | noda | I think we should be able to go to his office and explain what happened to him, exempting us from the lab report. |
| 22:59:07 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Heh, what school? |
| 22:59:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i havent found a school for smart people yet |
| 22:59:12 | TheMasterMind1 | www.tjhsst.edu |
| 22:59:17 | kergoth | every school i've ever been to goes too slow |
| 22:59:19 | egv | noda: lol |
| 22:59:21 | kergoth | including both colleges |
| 22:59:22 | kergoth | fuckers |
| 22:59:30 | TheMasterMind1 | my school is a sci/tech school for smart people only |
| 22:59:35 | TheMasterMind1 | you have to take a test and stuff to get in |
| 22:59:46 | TheMasterMind1 | "governor's magnet school" |
| 22:59:47 | noda | TheMasterMind1: How much does that cost? -- oh, it's a high school :) |
| 22:59:54 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: its a public school |
| 23:00:05 | noda | Neat. |
| 23:00:10 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 23:00:12 | noda | is looking for universities now though. |
| 23:00:25 | noda | East of the Great Lakes especially :) |
| 23:00:29 | noda | Or north. |
| 23:00:48 | egv | noda: what course of study? |
| 23:01:33 | TheMasterMind1 | prays for mozilla-qte |
| 23:01:35 | noda | egv: Computers. |
| 23:01:46 | noda | TheMasterMind1: lol, not gonna happen for a while (gtk dependency) |
| 23:01:57 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: no, mozilla-qt exists |
| 23:02:02 | noda | Really? |
| 23:02:03 | TheMasterMind1 | dajoker is working on getting it working on qte |
| 23:02:07 | noda | Wow! |
| 23:02:22 | egv | noda: you mean Computer Science, or EE, or what? 'Computers' is a bit vague ;) |
| 23:02:37 | kergoth | I need to get a degree |
| 23:02:38 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 23:02:56 | egv | you can order 'em online these days ;) |
| 23:02:56 | noda | egv: Hehehe, probably computer science, software engineering... something like that. |
| 23:03:01 | noda | lol |
| 23:03:14 | noda | Just get an MSCE! Everybody loves someone with an msce :P |
| 23:03:28 | noda | (Oh yeah, except smart people. But nobody with a job these days is smart) |
| 23:03:43 | egv | ? |
| 23:03:52 | noda | egv: Never heard of an msce? |
| 23:04:08 | kergoth | mcse.. oh god |
| 23:04:09 | egv | I've heard of an msce... I was thinking about the next comment... I'm at work ;) |
| 23:04:25 | noda | egv: There are exceptions. I had a job last year :P |
| 23:04:31 | NetNut404_work | ew..ms |
| 23:04:31 | egv | noda: lol |
| 23:04:38 | TheMasterMind1 | noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 23:04:55 | noda | People actually applied for my position with nothing but an msce. My boss and I had some good laughs :) |
| 23:05:20 | noda | (Gotta love resumes for IT jobs when paragraphs aren't even aligned properly) |
| 23:05:27 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:05:43 | Coup-PDA | :) |
| 23:06:00 | egv | actually, that'd probably get you hired in my IT group |
| 23:06:05 | egv | doesn't work in IT, thank god |
| 23:06:09 | noda | Heh |
| 23:06:16 | noda | They still haven't replaced me *beam* |
| 23:06:17 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:06:54 | noda | could be making an easy $45k/year but instead he's wasting a year of his life in a useless, meaningless year of school. |
| 23:07:31 | chouimat|bored | noda: I want to do an easy 45K/year |
| 23:07:32 | kergoth | noda: fun |
| 23:07:33 | egv | noda: but these are supposed to be the best years of your life ;) |
| 23:07:34 | kergoth | so do i |
| 23:07:43 | kergoth | i'm only making $37333/yr atm |
| 23:07:45 | noda | lol |
| 23:07:49 | kergoth | mutters about support |
| 23:07:50 | cbok | damn |
| 23:07:50 | noda | kergoth: Yeah, $US though :P |
| 23:07:52 | cbok | won't comment.. |
| 23:07:54 | kergoth | true |
| 23:07:54 | egv | kergoth: what state? |
| 23:07:57 | NetNut404_work | can't live on 45k a year |
| 23:08:01 | kergoth | egv: minnesota |
| 23:08:09 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: i couldnt survive atm without a roommate |
| 23:08:13 | noda | could live on $45k, no expenses :P. But gonna shoot for $150k. |
| 23:08:17 | TheMasterMind1 | * Email kergoth at kergoth@sourceforge.net |
| 23:08:18 | egv | ahhh... you can't live on that in california |
| 23:08:18 | TheMasterMind1 | heheheh |
| 23:08:22 | cbok | kg - you're in mn? |
| 23:08:27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: change that to kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 23:08:29 | kergoth | cbok: yeah |
| 23:08:30 | cbok | moved from there |
| 23:08:42 | NetNut404_work | would ad 20k to that, and then still would be struggling |
| 23:08:57 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: lots of expenses? |
| 23:09:02 | NetNut404_work | yep |
| 23:09:08 | kergoth | i've got my credit card payments hurting me atm |
| 23:09:12 | kergoth | thankfully i own a cheap ass card or i'd be hurting even further |
| 23:09:14 | noda | comforts kergoth. |
| 23:09:18 | kergoth | s/card/car/ |
| 23:09:31 | egv | would like to have a big-ass toy budget |
| 23:09:35 | egv | one of these days... |
| 23:09:44 | NetNut404_work | it aint cheap in the bay area |
| 23:09:47 | kergoth | BZFlag: nice test. ;) |
| 23:09:56 | egv | NetNut404_work: no shit. I live/work in SD |
| 23:10:02 | egv | s/D/F |
| 23:10:37 | chouimat|bored | he Darwin 6.0.2 for x86 is out |
| 23:10:53 | egv | it pains me to see how much of my salary gets pissed away on rent, parking, etc. |
| 23:11:05 | kergoth | egv: high cost of living out there eh? |
| 23:11:30 | noda | Hehehe. I've got 2 roomates, paid heating, dirt-cheap transportation, ... :) |
| 23:11:32 | NetNut404_work | hates cross-compiling.. or should I say.. not cross compiling |
| 23:11:39 | noda | NetNut404_work: rofl |
| 23:11:49 | egv | kergoth: last time I looked, which was a few years back, San Francisco was something like the third most expensive place to live in the US - behind new york city and hawaii |
| 23:11:55 | kergoth | egv: ouch |
| 23:12:03 | kergoth | minnesota is fairly low, all things considered |
| 23:12:23 | beattie | low temps too |
| 23:12:24 | TheMasterMind1 | NetNut404_work: you know you have to change options and set configure parameters for it to use the cross compiler and not the normal compiler.. |
| 23:12:25 | kergoth | er |
| 23:12:29 | chouimat|bored | pay 370$ CDN for a 4 1/2 |
| 23:12:46 | kergoth | noda, TheMasterMind1: why are there modified files on sf.net in oz_website that havent been either reverted or committed? |
| 23:12:53 | kergoth | M content/contact.php |
| 23:12:57 | kergoth | M include/config.inc |
| 23:12:58 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: because i'm a whore |
| 23:12:58 | egv | chouimat|bored: 4 1/2 bedroom apartment? |
| 23:13:06 | NetNut404_work | TheMasterMind1: I have been using ./configure --host=armoured-linux --build=x86-linux |
| 23:13:09 | noda | kergoth: config.inc should stay not-committed. The other's tmm's fault :P |
| 23:13:13 | NetNut404_work | ac |
| 23:13:16 | kergoth | bah |
| 23:13:24 | chouimat|bored | egv: 4 1/2 room appatment |
| 23:13:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: check it out from cvs locally, make changes, commit |
| 23:13:27 | noda | config.inc is site-specific :) |
| 23:13:28 | kergoth | dont edit on server |
| 23:13:42 | noda | TheMasterMind1: If you need a db dump I can dcc one to you. |
| 23:13:55 | egv | chouimat|bored: I hate you ;) I pay $1195 US for a 1 bedroom apartment - and that's a pretty good deal |
| 23:14:00 | NetNut404_work | TheMasterMind1: I have been using ./configure --host=arm-linux --build=x86-linux |
| 23:14:32 | kergoth | noda, TheMasterMind1: hows the new overview look? |
| 23:14:39 | chouimat|bored | egv: Quebec City, add 75$ for electricty 80$ for cable tv/internet and 60$ for the telephone |
| 23:14:40 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: you'll want to set the env vars too |
| 23:14:48 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: CC, LD, STRIP, CPP, CXX< etc |
| 23:15:00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: looking good |
| 23:15:10 | NetNut404_work | kergoth: oh.. where/what wil they be set to? |
| 23:15:21 | kergoth | i pay $925US for mortgage on my 2 bedroom townhouse |
| 23:15:26 | egv | chouimat|bored: that's about the same as here, dollar figure-wise. not sure what the conversion rate is, tho |
| 23:15:34 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: CC=arm-linux-gcc, CXX=arm-linux-g++, LD=arm-linux-ld, etc |
| 23:15:42 | chouimat|bored | egv: 0.63 |
| 23:15:47 | noda | kergoth: Much more exciting! :) |
| 23:16:22 | kergoth | noda: less inaccurate :) |
| 23:16:27 | egv | chouimat|bored: $1 canadian = $.63 US? |
| 23:16:34 | chouimat|bored | yup |
| 23:16:47 | egv | considers moving to canada |
| 23:17:03 | noda | egv: Yes, but then you've got the problem that !4 canadian = $.63 US :P |
| 23:17:07 | noda | Er, $1 rather |
| 23:17:25 | egv | noda: sure... but if I could keep my current salary I could live like a king ;) |
| 23:17:54 | noda | egv: Heh :) |
| 23:18:08 | noda | The US is a better place to be if you're rich - the rich get richer, as they say |
| 23:18:19 | chouimat|bored | egv: and add the 53% income taxes |
| 23:18:25 | egv | yeah, well... I'm not likely to have that problem anytime soon |
| 23:18:37 | noda | chouimat|bored: Plus the 15% tax on just about everything you buy :) |
| 23:18:45 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, how sould i setup the download page |
| 23:18:47 | egv | 53%? wow... something like 33% for my tax braket here |
| 23:19:03 | noda | TheMasterMind1: It should be very simple :) |
| 23:19:08 | TheMasterMind1 | we need 5500 and 5000d seperated |
| 23:19:14 | TheMasterMind1 | and we want multiple releases on there too |
| 23:19:14 | egv | chouuimat: you get health care for free though, right? is it any good? |
| 23:19:25 | TheMasterMind1 | or should we just have one release |
| 23:19:29 | TheMasterMind1 | so its not confusing |
| 23:19:29 | chouuimat | egv: the"free" medical care where to you think the money came from |
| 23:19:52 | egv | chouuimat: well, 'free' is a relative term ;) |
| 23:19:59 | badalex | TheMasterMind1: is oz3 ready? then |
| 23:20:05 | TheMasterMind1 | badalex: almost |
| 23:20:06 | noda | I prefer to pay 53% tax and have medicare though, to tell the truth. |
| 23:20:06 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 23:20:07 | NetNut404_work | anyone have a good cross-compiler enviromenr script they can send me? |
| 23:20:14 | egv | chouimat: so long as it's quality and not like the shitty HMOs we have out here... |
| 23:20:16 | beattie | yeah my $700/month health care is sooo much better |
| 23:20:20 | | i guess xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) or ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-3.2.tar.bz2 |
| 23:20:20 | noda | ibot xcompile |
| 23:20:23 | TheMasterMind1 | NetNut404_work: yes, its called the OZ buildroot |
| 23:20:32 | chouimat | egv: if you want to wait 3 years for an operation |
| 23:20:39 | badalex | TheMasterMind1: Woot! |
| 23:20:44 | egv | chouimat: hmm... |
| 23:20:53 | egv | thinks maybe he'll stay in the US for a while |
| 23:21:03 | carpman | Hi, does anyone have a vanilla 3.0 initrd and zimage? |
| 23:22:36 | TheMasterMind1 | carpman: huh? |
| 23:22:38 | TheMasterMind1 | vanilla? |
| 23:23:30 | NetNut404_work | TheMasterMind1: where do I get that? |
| 23:23:53 | carpman | TheMasterMind1: not specialy configured for a purpose. Kergoth allready handled it, thanks tho. |
| 23:23:55 | | oz bk is probably bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
| 23:23:55 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz bk |
| 23:24:09 | TheMasterMind1 | carpman: what in the world are you talking about |
| 23:24:44 | NetNut404_work | that url is broke |
| 23:24:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 23:24:53 | TheMasterMind1 | no its not.. |
| 23:29:21 | NetNut404_work | TheMasterMind1: I don't think that is what I was looking for.. just all the needed set commands to allow a configure, and make to work etc etc |
| 23:29:54 | | somebody said faq was at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html or http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 23:29:54 | badalex | ibot faq |
| 23:29:58 | noda | Man, there's only so many times you can see the word "node" before it stops being cool. |
| 23:30:04 | | badalex: huh? |
| 23:30:04 | badalex | ibot cross-compile |
| 23:30:07 | noda | Ditto with "antinode" :( |
| 23:30:42 | egv`food | noda: python? |
| 23:30:49 | noda | egv`food: Physics (waves) |
| 23:30:58 | NetNut404_work | badalex: you mean xcompile ? |
| 23:31:09 | badalex | NetNut404_work: no, i found it... |
| 23:31:19 | Piete | Hello All :) |
| 23:31:30 | KallDrexx | hola |
| 23:33:43 | Piete | wishes he could figure out how to get kismet to capture packets with his DCF-650W |
| 23:34:57 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: grr, how come ul's don't leftpad like the ol on install guide does |
| 23:34:57 | TheMasterMind1 | if you change it to ul it doesn't pad |
| 23:35:20 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Because ul's aren't ol's. |
| 23:35:30 | noda | If you want to set padding on ul's go ahead. |
| 23:35:42 | kergoth | i like that leftpadding, it draws the eye |
| 23:35:47 | noda | Ditto :) |
| 23:36:09 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Oh, one thing has been bugging me about the site: The width of the text box for FAQ submission is hard-coded, and it's WAY too big. |
| 23:36:21 | TheMasterMind1 | where is it set though? |
| 23:36:21 | TheMasterMind1 | if i could figure it out i wouldnt' be bitching in here |
| 23:36:23 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't find it in the css |
| 23:36:30 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: change it |
| 23:36:31 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 23:36:32 | noda | TheMasterMind1: It's not in the cvs, it's in the table :) |
| 23:36:35 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Okay, will do later. |
| 23:36:46 | noda | Will try to make it dynamic, dunno if a <textarea> can be dynamic width :) |
| 23:36:52 | TheMasterMind1 | its not in cvs, its in the table?? |
| 23:37:04 | noda | It's in the <textarea> - which is why it's annoying me :) |
| 23:37:10 | TheMasterMind1 | also, how does your db table function work, what type of array does it expect |
| 23:37:16 | TheMasterMind1 | can i make my own array and use the function on it? |
| 23:37:19 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Don't code with that yet - I'm going to fix it later tonight. |
| 23:37:23 | noda | TheMasterMind1: The docs are in the comments though. |
| 23:37:24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmfine |
| 23:37:40 | noda | TheMasterMind1: No, it's gotta have a DB result. I could change that... hrm... |
| 23:37:53 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:37:58 | TheMasterMind1 | but how do i do this ul ol thing?! |
| 23:38:04 | noda | Dunno, working now :) |
| 23:38:20 | TheMasterMind1 | DIV.tmm1 UL, DIV.tmm1 OL { margin: .5em; } |
| 23:38:26 | TheMasterMind1 | how come only OL's pad? |
| 23:38:48 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I forget. Check for more UL instructions. |
| 23:39:05 | noda | Especially (though I doubt I'd have done this) stuff with "!important" |
| 23:39:06 | TheMasterMind1 | UL { margin: 0; padding: 0; } |
| 23:39:07 | TheMasterMind1 | LI { list-style: none; margin-left: 1em; } |
| 23:39:17 | TheMasterMind1 | DIV.tmm1 UL LI { list-style: square; padding: .2em 0; } |
| 23:39:17 | TheMasterMind1 | DIV.tmm1 OL LI { list-style: decimal; padding: .2em 0; } |
| 23:39:33 | noda | I can play with that in an hour or two if you want. |
| 23:39:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ok.. |
| 23:40:00 | TheMasterMind1 | fix that |
| 23:40:10 | cranch | wOOT I love fluxbox :) |
| 23:40:20 | TheMasterMind1 | cranch: who doesnt |
| 23:40:23 | cranch | hehe |
| 23:40:27 | noda | openbox! It's got AA! |
| 23:40:38 | noda | can't imagine using KDE when there's this :) |
| 23:40:40 | cranch | doesn't Fluxbox have AA? |
| 23:40:40 | Piete | Is there a way to tell kismet not to hop to a particular freq? It seems that my card does not support one of them,, I get this message : Error for wireless request "Set Frequency" (8B04) : |
| 23:40:59 | Piete | cranch: not really afaik |
| 23:41:09 | Piete | cranch: at least I don't see it overe here :) |
| 23:41:25 | cranch | okay..I'm emerging it :) |
| 23:41:30 | cranch | waimea kinda sucks.. |
| 23:42:25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: alright, for this download stuff i don't want to type up a million and a half links to zImages so how about i make it so you give it the dir where that releases' files are and it will create the links and stuff based on that |
| 23:42:41 | TheMasterMind1 | read the files and see which ones are zImage and initrd and stuff |
| 23:42:42 | noda | Why not dynamically generate them? |
| 23:42:46 | TheMasterMind1 | how |
| 23:42:58 | TheMasterMind1 | isn't that what i just said? |
| 23:43:00 | noda | Simple permutation. |
| 23:43:22 | cranch | why would my fluxbox not be using my /etc/profile on statup? |
| 23:43:25 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: eh? |
| 23:43:44 | noda | Bah, never mind. Would be just as long to code. Wouldn't take a directory read though. |
| 23:43:54 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:44:01 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:44:09 | noda | Probably better with a read, so you know what all the links are. |
| 23:44:09 | scanline | likes fluxbox a good bit, but does wish it's theming was more powerful |
| 23:44:09 | TheMasterMind1 | reading the dir everytime is stupid though |
| 23:44:22 | cranch | brb...going to openbox once... |
| 23:44:25 | noda | Nah - what if we get different kernels in the future, like, say, 60/4? |
| 23:44:29 | scanline | thinks about an X window manager based on picogui's theme engine >:) |
| 23:44:31 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 23:44:35 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds good |
| 23:44:44 | TheMasterMind1 | can we decide on a simple standard format for the dirs then |
| 23:44:47 | TheMasterMind1 | just keep them the same as now? |
| 23:44:49 | noda | As long as the format is clear... |
| 23:44:53 | noda | Dirs? Just the files. |
| 23:45:01 | TheMasterMind1 | a dir full of zimages and an initrd |
| 23:45:07 | TheMasterMind1 | with .md5 files with the md5 hashes |
| 23:45:10 | TheMasterMind1 | and where will the feed be? |
| 23:45:12 | noda | Best to set OZ_ZIMAGE_DIR in config.inc - that way we could make links to a remote site too :) |
| 23:45:32 | TheMasterMind1 | hard to read remote dir listings though |
| 23:45:37 | noda | i.e., from my site I could read over FTP and make links to the zImages on SF's servers. |
| 23:45:47 | noda | TheMasterMind1: No, no extra code. Just make the dir "http://blah" |
| 23:45:50 | noda | TheMasterMind1: PHP handles the rest. |
| 23:46:12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:46:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess |
| 23:46:17 | TheMasterMind1 | we can do that |
| 23:46:25 | TheMasterMind1 | but how are we doing feeds? |
| 23:46:29 | noda | Just as easy to code - just set it to whichever directory :) |
| 23:46:32 | TheMasterMind1 | will each release have a seperate feed or what |
| 23:46:35 | noda | Erm. Dunno :) |
| 23:46:43 | noda | If we're doing it on sf.net I think that'll run out of space very quickly :) |
| 23:47:06 | TheMasterMind1 | true |
| 23:47:10 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll just make those seperate then |
| 23:47:15 | TheMasterMind1 | just the three basics feeds |
| 23:47:21 | TheMasterMind1 | stable testing unstable |
| 23:47:24 | noda | Unless... hell, why not - put all the feeds in a single directory and they can be read by the script. |
| 23:48:19 | noda | It'd practically be a directory listing script. But it'd work great. Put a description file in each directory - or hell, write descriptions into bootflag.txt - and the descriptions can be read by the script... |
| 23:48:21 | noda | That'd be neat :) |
| 23:48:23 | cranch | Okay...I see no difference in Openbox... :P |
| 23:48:30 | cranch | su |
| 23:48:37 | TheMasterMind1 | huh |
| 23:48:38 | TheMasterMind1 | you lost me |
| 23:48:54 | cranch | sorry.. |
| 23:48:55 | cranch | :) |
| 23:48:57 | TheMasterMind1 | why do we want to list the feed dirs? |
| 23:49:00 | noda | TheMasterMind1: let's say we have /feeds/2.9.5.5, /feeds/3.0, /feeds/teesting, etc. |
| 23:49:00 | cranch | I installed Openbox... |
| 23:49:07 | cranch | and it doesn't seem any different than Fluxbox... |
| 23:49:09 | noda | cranch: It's got AA fonts. |
| 23:49:12 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: we have feeds/stable testing and unstable |
| 23:49:14 | noda | cranch: You're just not using them :) |
| 23:49:15 | TheMasterMind1 | three main feeds |
| 23:49:18 | TheMasterMind1 | that's all |
| 23:49:21 | noda | TheMasterMind1: *shrug* okay, hard code it then. |
| 23:49:27 | cranch | noda: anything special to AA the fonts? |
| 23:49:30 | noda | hates hard coding, that's all |
| 23:49:44 | noda | cranch: Xft, proper XftConfig in /etc/X11... |
| 23:50:24 | noda | mkfontdir in wherever you keep your truetype fonts and make sure the dir is read in XftConfig - for example, 'dir "/usr/local/share/fonts/ttfonts"' |
| 23:50:37 | cranch | is there a way for Open/Flux box to source /my /etc/profile? |
| 23:50:46 | cranch | xterm is opening up with a straight gray prompt.. |
| 23:51:09 | noda | cranch: /etc/profile? Why on earth. xterm has nothing to do with openbox/fluxbox. |
| 23:51:22 | cranch | well...I didn't mean that necessarily.. |
| 23:51:31 | cranch | just for my xterm to be sourcing /etc/profile.. |
| 23:51:51 | noda | You can get xterm to read /etc/profile on startup though. I think it's "xterm -ls" |
| 23:52:34 | cranch | noda: how do you edit the openbox menus... |
| 23:53:07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the 3.0 release has a default feed in the ipkg.conf of the official unstablew feed. i doubt i'll bother with a seperate feed for each release.. or if we do, the feed will be a snapsshot of how the packages looked at release time, wont get improvements |
| 23:53:24 | TheMasterMind1 | isn't that what the stable feed will be |
| 23:53:41 | kergoth | i need to figure out our release cycle |
| 23:53:42 | kergoth | weird thing is |
| 23:53:46 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:53:49 | kergoth | 3.0 is going from 'unstable' -> released |
| 23:53:51 | noda | cranch: Set ~/.openbox/rc to read whatever your fluxbox menu is :) |
| 23:53:56 | kergoth | we didnt go unstable- > testing -> stable |
| 23:53:56 | TheMasterMind1 | figure it out and edit download.php |
| 23:53:58 | kergoth | ala debian |
| 23:53:58 | TheMasterMind1 | in a bit |
| 23:54:06 | cranch | gotcha :) |
| 23:54:16 | noda | cranch: Then "reconfigure" from the menu. |
| 23:54:23 | cranch | I got her to work :) |
| 23:54:30 | kergoth | which is why 3.0 will point to unstable as its defuault feed |
| 23:54:30 | cranch | its in /usr/share/commonbox/menu :) |
| 23:54:38 | cranch | thanks for the help noda :) |
| 23:54:54 | noda | cranch: Heh, np :) |
| 23:55:00 | noda | cranch: But the AA is the important part :P |
| 23:55:02 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm, we should change it so it uses stable imho |
| 23:55:09 | TheMasterMind1 | we don't have to follow debian exactly |
| 23:55:12 | noda | So sweet. Especially with the steelblue2 style :) |
| 23:55:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thing is, we only have one buildroot, and the buildroot doesnt easily facilitate building either stable, testing, or unstable releasess.. yet.. |
| 23:56:11 | kergoth | ponders |
| 23:57:27 | cranch | noda: do I need to run fontconfig? |
| 23:58:57 | | somebody said oz prerelease was http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 23:58:57 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz prerelease |
| 23:59:57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i cant seem to find any bugs other than the timing issue with usb suspend/resume on the cradle, but that can be an FAQ item |