| 00:01:22 | TheMasterMind1 | thats a good sign |
| 00:01:29 | TheMasterMind1 | all bug fixes in bk now? |
| 00:01:30 | TheMasterMind1 | fbvnc/ |
| 00:04:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i havent pushed the fbvnc tarball you forwarded yet, if you want to feel free |
| 00:04:34 | TheMasterMind1 | you do it |
| 00:04:42 | kergoth | k, i'm on it |
| 00:04:49 | kergoth | flashing another test rom with the old light & power again |
| 00:04:52 | kergoth | cause the new one still has kinks |
| 00:07:19 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, prereleases and beta releases are going to have special feeds? |
| 00:07:28 | TheMasterMind1 | figure out this whole feed/release business |
| 00:07:35 | TheMasterMind1 | its way too compilicated/confusing/cluttered right now |
| 00:08:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes, let me ponder |
| 00:08:58 | KallDrexx | how do i sue a swap file |
| 00:09:09 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx: hire a lawyer |
| 00:09:15 | KallDrexx | ;) |
| 00:09:44 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: are there any zimages uploaded with the new file format? |
| 00:09:58 | KallDrexx | how do i USE a swap file? |
| 00:10:00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: new file format? you mean the antialiased boot logo? |
| 00:10:04 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 00:10:12 | TheMasterMind1 | file names |
| 00:10:17 | kergoth | ah, not yet |
| 00:10:17 | TheMasterMind1 | new file name format |
| 00:10:19 | kergoth | i'll upload em shortly |
| 00:10:25 | kergoth | we need to put the new ones with the new logo up anyway |
| 00:10:33 | TheMasterMind1 | whats change din the logo |
| 00:10:41 | kergoth | antialiased |
| 00:10:44 | kergoth | no more jaggies |
| 00:10:55 | cranch | kergoth: any chance Konqueror will install :P |
| 00:10:56 | kergoth | dithered as well |
| 00:11:01 | kergoth | cranch: i'll confirm it on a few |
| 00:11:14 | cranch | sweet :) |
| 00:11:19 | cranch | I'm flashing in a few seconds then :P |
| 00:11:34 | Piete | Anyone else notice this? Opie crashes when I try to change the handwriting recognition settings.. (The little pen icon under the '?' of the handwriting app), the actual settings app opens up, but when you tap on 'ok' at the top, it crashes |
| 00:11:41 | cranch | kergoth: you need connectiva crystal iconso n there :P |
| 00:13:35 | TheMasterMind1 | so whats the new file name format? |
| 00:14:55 | TheMasterMind1 | DaJoker: hey |
| 00:14:58 | DaJoker | hey |
| 00:15:45 | TheMasterMind1 | argh.. |
| 00:16:34 | Onyx4 | hey kergoth |
| 00:16:57 | Onyx4 | i've been running for some time with the sync option on my jffs2 filesystem and haven't seen any hang with ipkg |
| 00:17:08 | Onyx4 | just a thought that we might want to put that in |
| 00:19:23 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 00:21:12 | Onyx4 | did Andy fixed aqpkg so that the upgrade button does a nice clean update now for multiple destinations? |
| 00:26:14 | scanline | Is the zaurus bootloader smart enough to flash a kernel without an initrd on the card? |
| 00:26:23 | cranch | is the OZ release the actual 3.0 now..or is kergoth still moving it? |
| 00:26:35 | DaJoker | scanline: yup |
| 00:26:40 | scanline | good |
| 00:28:48 | cranch | can anyone verify that...my damn laptop is installing and I can't get my pcmcic-adapter to work so now I've got to wget it to the Z, transfer it to CF :P |
| 00:32:00 | cranch | I must be lagging :) |
| 00:32:00 | scanline | ieee! |
| 00:32:11 | scanline | just tried the new boot logo :-/ |
| 00:32:40 | cranch | where can I get OZ3 from :P |
| 00:32:41 | cranch | hehe |
| 00:32:42 | scanline | I think I got it in bgr order instead of rgb |
| 00:32:43 | cranch | I'm lagging... |
| 00:34:10 | TheMasterMind1 | DaJoker: played with mozilla some? |
| 00:34:16 | DaJoker | a bit yeah.. |
| 00:34:28 | cranch | Can someone get me the link to OZ3? I'm lagging hardcore and missing this conversation |
| 00:34:29 | TheMasterMind1 | did it compile? |
| 00:34:33 | Boog | bgr.....rgb....still makes the same colors.... >;) |
| 00:34:35 | TheMasterMind1 | cranch: its not out yet |
| 00:34:36 | DaJoker | not entirely, no |
| 00:34:37 | VERItas | is there any reason for me to switch over to oz right now or should i wait till 3.0 comes out? |
| 00:34:39 | cranch | oh :) |
| 00:34:40 | scanline | oh crap... |
| 00:34:54 | cranch | TheMasterMind1: I thought kergoth was moving it... |
| 00:35:11 | VERItas | oz3 is out? |
| 00:35:21 | egv`food | VERItas: not yet |
| 00:35:22 | TheMasterMind1 | VERItas: wait a couple hours until oz3 is out |
| 00:35:48 | cranch | <kergoth> 3.0 is going from 'unstable' -> release |
| 00:35:48 | Boog | w00t!!! a couple hours!!! |
| 00:36:07 | cranch | TheMasterMind1: bs..we want it now :P |
| 00:36:08 | cranch | hehe |
| 00:36:13 | VERItas | wee. so i shouldn't flash just yet? |
| 00:36:14 | Boog | LOL |
| 00:36:24 | VERItas | well shouldn't flash my zaurus just yet? |
| 00:36:36 | TheMasterMind1 | just wait |
| 00:36:44 | TheMasterMind1 | if its not out by tonight, flash the prerelease |
| 00:37:01 | VERItas | do i need a cf reader to flash my zaurus or can i transfer the image over with ftp? |
| 00:37:07 | Onyx4 | mmm apps key don't work anymore |
| 00:37:16 | Onyx4 | and the arrow keys are all messed up |
| 00:37:18 | cranch | VERItas: You'll have to have the files on a CF card.. |
| 00:37:18 | Boog | ftp :-) |
| 00:37:27 | VERItas | bahh. who needs the apps key anymore. |
| 00:37:36 | Onyx4 | like if I press left , it wont do it until I press it a couple of times |
| 00:37:46 | cranch | faulty button :P |
| 00:37:59 | Onyx4 | hope not... |
| 00:38:04 | scanline | Onyx4: hmm.. I've seen a very similar problem, but thought it was picogui-specific. What kernel are you running? |
| 00:38:05 | Onyx4 | it does that for lots of them |
| 00:38:14 | VERItas | is there an faq on picking the right oz image? |
| 00:38:21 | Onyx4 | scanline: the latest one we build with OZ |
| 00:38:22 | | i think oz faq is http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/browse.php |
| 00:38:22 | egv`food | ibot oz faq |
| 00:38:26 | scanline | Onyx4: hmm |
| 00:38:26 | Onyx4 | scanline: 2.4.6 |
| 00:38:29 | VERItas | cause i don't know wtf to pick. |
| 00:38:36 | cbok | Veritaz - read the damn faq |
| 00:38:45 | cbok | veritas - we told you this earlier |
| 00:38:46 | VERItas | wee. |
| 00:38:53 | VERItas | wasn't paying attention |
| 00:38:56 | cbok | apparently |
| 00:38:59 | VERItas | is away reading. |
| 00:39:13 | cbok | its days like this when i wish i had an @ |
| 00:39:31 | egv | @ ? |
| 00:40:28 | cranch | operator status |
| 00:40:33 | egv | ahh. |
| 00:40:34 | Boog | lol |
| 00:41:01 | cranch | I just deleted all the png's out of /home/QtPalmtop/pics.. |
| 00:41:03 | cranch | damnit... |
| 00:41:10 | cranch | here I was thinking I was going to get to flash.. |
| 00:41:19 | egv | heh |
| 00:41:32 | cranch | I want those damn crystal icons on my Z.. |
| 00:42:36 | cranch | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=9&t=4085&s=02f4e9a262746be95611654a63e43c0b |
| 00:43:12 | Onyx4 | ok cardmon works now I tested it |
| 00:43:53 | egv | cranch: those are pretty |
| 00:44:02 | cranch | Someone make an ipk :) |
| 00:45:38 | ljp | opie will ost likely move you using those, perhaps |
| 00:45:55 | cranch | opie will use the crystal icons? |
| 00:46:15 | TheMasterMind1 | argh |
| 00:46:18 | cranch | ljp: you'd get a ton of people using Opie just for the look :P |
| 00:47:02 | ljp | ya, we need more discussion, it was brought up once |
| 00:47:46 | cranch | Its great to show off to friends (the eye-candy) :P |
| 00:47:55 | cranch | plus it just looks like a neat device.. |
| 00:48:03 | cranch | now if only the outside wasn't getting all scuffed up :( |
| 00:48:52 | ljp | he ehhh.. thats just paint |
| 00:49:08 | cranch | well..I wonder if you could buff it or something... |
| 00:49:15 | cranch | so it doesn't look so abused... |
| 00:50:26 | ljp | or repaint it |
| 00:50:33 | cranch | hehe... |
| 00:50:38 | cranch | I'd screw that up for sure :P |
| 00:50:48 | cranch | I have the motor skills of a sloth :) |
| 00:52:59 | Piete | is there any way to install wlan_ng on OZ? |
| 00:53:14 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 00:53:16 | cranch | is it in the feed? |
| 00:53:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i just wrote the shittiest bit of php ever |
| 00:53:21 | cranch | whats that MasterMind? |
| 00:53:24 | cranch | hehehe |
| 00:53:26 | cranch | you suXor |
| 00:53:27 | cranch | :P |
| 00:54:31 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: around? |
| 00:55:11 | Piete | anyone know? |
| 00:55:23 | cranch | Piete: is it in the feed |
| 00:55:24 | cranch | ? |
| 00:55:31 | DaJoker | Piete: why would you want to? |
| 00:55:37 | Piete | cranch: it does not look like it.. |
| 00:55:49 | Piete | DaJoker: the people in #kismet told me I should use it instead of hostap |
| 00:56:19 | DaJoker | and how many of them are running oz? |
| 00:56:21 | cranch | hmm..no clue there hombre... |
| 00:56:30 | cranch | check the zsi |
| 00:56:35 | ljp | probably about 12 |
| 00:56:51 | | Kismet 2.6.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=116 |
| 00:56:51 | cranch | ibot: search zsi for wlan_ng |
| 00:57:07 | Piete | that version does not run on OZ |
| 00:57:32 | DaJoker | what's wrong with the version that is in the oz feed? |
| 00:58:14 | Piete | DaJoker: nothing is wrong with it, it just won't work correctly with my card |
| 00:58:26 | DaJoker | what card is that? |
| 00:58:39 | Piete | DaJoker: I think I need the 'prism2_pcap' cardtype |
| 00:58:47 | Piete | DaJoker: Dlink 650W |
| 00:58:51 | cranch | YIKES |
| 00:58:52 | cranch | :P |
| 00:58:53 | cranch | j/k |
| 00:58:59 | Piete | :P |
| 00:59:15 | cranch | you'd be lucky to get 15 minutes of battery life with that :P |
| 00:59:22 | cranch | thats a prism2... |
| 00:59:35 | cranch | I'd try to help you out..but my Z is temporarliy out of order until the OZ3 stuff comes out... |
| 00:59:39 | Piete | cranch: i know, i know... I got it free with my zaurus,, I just want to see it work |
| 00:59:42 | scanline | hmm.. KDE crystal icons are missing a lot of things necessary for a PDA |
| 00:59:54 | cranch | scanline: like what? |
| 01:00:01 | cranch | png's? |
| 01:00:17 | scanline | cranch: handwriting recognition, onscreen keyboard, rotation... |
| 01:00:22 | DaJoker | Piete: well. wlan-ng used to be in the feed.. no clue if it's been removed |
| 01:01:13 | Piete | DaJoker: it does not seem to be in the unstable feed.. I'll look in the stable.. |
| 01:02:43 | cranch | scanline: what of the crystal icons was missing for PDAs? |
| 01:02:56 | scanline | cranch: I just told you |
| 01:03:09 | cranch | oh... |
| 01:03:13 | cranch | I'm lagging... |
| 01:03:15 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: upload stuff so i can test download script with it |
| 01:03:18 | cranch | not catching alot of stuff... |
| 01:03:32 | cranch | O |
| 01:03:41 | cranch | bizzare... |
| 01:04:12 | scanline | <scanline> cranch: handwriting recognition, onscreen keyboard, rotation... |
| 01:04:25 | cranch | :) |
| 01:04:29 | cranch | thanks.. |
| 01:04:45 | cranch | I'll be the last one to know for sure when the release for OZ3 comes out cause I'm lagging... |
| 01:04:45 | cranch | :( |
| 01:04:46 | cranch | haha |
| 01:04:51 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:04:57 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 01:04:59 | TheMasterMind1 | where is everyone |
| 01:05:04 | cranch | I'm here... |
| 01:05:09 | cranch | need me to test anything :P |
| 01:05:10 | cranch | hehe |
| 01:05:13 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 01:05:16 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme rephrase |
| 01:05:19 | TheMasterMind1 | where is kergoth |
| 01:05:22 | cranch | hehe |
| 01:05:29 | cranch | got chewed up by a bear.. |
| 01:05:34 | cranch | its dangerous in Minnesota |
| 01:05:44 | TheMasterMind1 | that sucks |
| 01:05:50 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess no oz release for a while then |
| 01:05:53 | cranch | shit... |
| 01:06:03 | Piete | DaJoker: yea, it seems to be removed.. Thats ok,, I'll just fiddle some more. |
| 01:06:04 | cranch | I'll drive up and find him..only 3.5 hours from here... |
| 01:06:42 | cranch | but he never reveals what city he is in...so it'd be tough finding him.. |
| 01:06:49 | ljp | naa he's in the city.. no bears there |
| 01:06:51 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:06:59 | cranch | ljp: you been to Minnesota? |
| 01:07:00 | cranch | :P |
| 01:07:00 | cranch | hehe |
| 01:07:09 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:07:10 | ljp | yes, I have good friends living there |
| 01:07:12 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: pinggggggggggggggggg |
| 01:07:22 | TheMasterMind1 | pongggggggggg |
| 01:07:36 | ljp | 100% packet loss |
| 01:07:58 | cranch | ljp: I'm just kidding about the bears...don't think thats too big of a problem |
| 01:08:03 | cranch | just got to watch out for Randy Moss.. |
| 01:08:18 | ljp | heh well.. it is alot of places in Mn |
| 01:08:36 | cranch | Up north I suppose... |
| 01:09:08 | ljp | yup.. up 'der by 'da big lake, eh |
| 01:09:13 | cranch | hehehe |
| 01:09:28 | TheMasterMind1 | laksjflkjsdfkjskjfksdjfkjskfajsfl;ajf |
| 01:09:28 | cranch | a guy from school here is from Theif River Falls.. |
| 01:09:34 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to test this thing! |
| 01:09:49 | cranch | I NEED to test it too... |
| 01:10:40 | ljp | last time I was in minneappolis was for a wedding |
| 01:11:15 | cranch | I was there to watch a Viqueens game... |
| 01:11:21 | cranch | that was a month or so ago |
| 01:11:56 | | kergoth was last seen on #openzaurus 1 hours, 55 seconds ago, saying: cranch: i'll confirm it on a few [Mon Oct 28 17:11:01 2002] |
| 01:11:56 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen kergoth |
| 01:12:03 | TheMasterMind1 | 1 hour? |
| 01:12:05 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 01:12:05 | cranch | hehe |
| 01:12:08 | cranch | no..1 hours |
| 01:12:19 | TheMasterMind1 | even worse |
| 01:12:53 | cranch | the 55 seconds is whats so amazing... |
| 01:12:58 | cranch | hehe |
| 01:13:00 | cranch | I'm bored.. |
| 01:13:04 | cranch | I need to play with OZ... |
| 01:13:13 | scanline | cranch: go write some code :P |
| 01:13:44 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: picogui-themes failed on me earlier |
| 01:13:52 | TheMasterMind1 | something like that |
| 01:13:58 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: that's nice.. got an error message? |
| 01:14:01 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:14:05 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 01:14:08 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 01:14:16 | kergoth | scanline: did you remove $(Version) from SourceTree yet? that causes failures in certain circumstances |
| 01:14:19 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ! |
| 01:14:20 | kergoth | hi again, btw |
| 01:14:21 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:14:23 | kergoth | just got home |
| 01:14:29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: heheh |
| 01:14:35 | kergoth | oh |
| 01:14:38 | scanline | kergoth: oh.. not yet, I'll do that as soon as I fix the screwed up colors in the new boot logo |
| 01:14:41 | kergoth | scanline: dood, the antialiasing is nice .. but.. |
| 01:14:43 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: put up newly named zimages and stuff with md5 files so i can test this pos |
| 01:14:44 | kergoth | scanline: yeah, i was about to say that |
| 01:14:47 | kergoth | scanline: its like psychadelic |
| 01:15:00 | file[laptop] | scanline: poke |
| 01:15:12 | cranch | wOOt |
| 01:15:13 | scanline | file[laptop]: I'm busy, I don't want to hear your whining |
| 01:15:18 | Coup-PDA | ok, thats an odd bug. opie-irc crashes out if you connect to a server whilst having a terminal open. anyone care to verify? |
| 01:15:18 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 01:15:28 | file[laptop] | scanline: nah I just wanted to know what the public directory on navi was named today |
| 01:15:31 | TheMasterMind1 | Coup-PDA: go to mantis |
| 01:15:32 | chouimat|cook | scanline: ziam drunk |
| 01:15:39 | scanline | file[laptop]: I told you, no whining :P |
| 01:15:57 | Coup-PDA | the mastermind one, will do when i get in :) |
| 01:15:59 | file[laptop] | scanline: but Professr3 wants a copy of the DJ Doboy song I've got |
| 01:16:08 | chouimat|cook | file[laptop]: maurice |
| 01:16:17 | file[laptop] | chouimat|cook: huh? |
| 01:16:21 | scanline | file[laptop]: I don't have you on /ignore yet, but that will change real quick if you bug me about navi |
| 01:16:27 | chouimat|cook | file[laptop]: bad joke |
| 01:16:29 | TheMasterMind1 | lolol |
| 01:16:37 | TheMasterMind1 | laughs his head of |
| 01:16:38 | TheMasterMind1 | f |
| 01:16:47 | TheMasterMind1 | now, if only this download script worked... |
| 01:17:05 | cranch | kergoth: we thougth you got eaten by a bear.. |
| 01:17:18 | scanline | aak.. made the logo even worse |
| 01:17:25 | Coup-PDA | question: when an ipkg refuses to install due to it wanting to install files peovided by other ipks and -force-depends doesnt do anything, how do you install it without extracting the ipk and doing it manually? |
| 01:17:42 | scanline | now pingizauru is blue and its feet are pink |
| 01:17:47 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:17:51 | scanline | threatens his script with a hex editor |
| 01:17:55 | cranch | Screenshot that scanline |
| 01:17:56 | cranch | hehe |
| 01:18:27 | ljp | hexedit a script? |
| 01:18:37 | scanline | no, hexedit the output to see why it's wrong |
| 01:18:43 | ljp | ahh |
| 01:18:55 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/drunk_pingizauru.png |
| 01:18:57 | TheMasterMind1 | threatens his script with rm |
| 01:19:16 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl |
| 01:19:20 | TheMasterMind1 | thats so bad |
| 01:19:21 | scanline | there's some color fringing around the openzaurus logo... so I'm probably off by one byte somewhere |
| 01:19:57 | cranch | scanline: i like that version of pingizilla... |
| 01:20:08 | scanline | ha |
| 01:20:08 | ljp | likey likey emerge |
| 01:20:19 | TheMasterMind1 | weeps |
| 01:20:33 | noda | Hello everybody. *gets off phone* |
| 01:20:36 | cranch | ljp: its the shit isn't it? |
| 01:20:38 | cranch | sup noda |
| 01:20:38 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: hehehe |
| 01:20:44 | noda | Hey, any girls on this channel? |
| 01:20:45 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: talking to that chick again? |
| 01:20:50 | cranch | chick? |
| 01:20:52 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Yessir :P |
| 01:20:56 | cranch | chicks are good.... |
| 01:20:59 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:21:08 | ljp | does she know what your hobbies include? |
| 01:21:11 | cranch | noda: you getting somethin' started? |
| 01:21:17 | noda | wants (another) girl's point of view on something :P |
| 01:21:33 | noda | ljp: lol, yep :P |
| 01:21:42 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: cloudchaser on #zaurus is the only female i know of |
| 01:21:46 | noda | cranch: I wish. Or I hope. Or something. :) |
| 01:21:53 | cranch | we need pics first... |
| 01:21:54 | ljp | honey on #opie |
| 01:22:11 | noda | Heh, not that desperate for an opinion, only curious :) |
| 01:22:14 | ljp | or honeypea |
| 01:22:21 | | oz release is 2.9.5.5 was the last release, 3.0 will release really really soon. use prereleases for now. |
| 01:22:21 | Dessimat0r | ibot oz release |
| 01:22:27 | | i think oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 01:22:27 | Dessimat0r | ibot oz prerelease |
| 01:22:43 | noda | ANYWAY! Back to this assignment. |
| 01:23:01 | noda | wakes up from his reveries, an hour and a half on the phone, whoa... |
| 01:23:12 | ljp | brrrrrrr |
| 01:23:20 | cranch | noda has phone stamina |
| 01:23:32 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 01:23:32 | badalex | ibot oz prerelease |
| 01:23:36 | noda | cranch: What can I say, there's a girl on the other end :P |
| 01:23:59 | cranch | hehe |
| 01:24:01 | cranch | at a boy |
| 01:24:13 | cranch | is the current prerelease essentially the OZ3 release? |
| 01:24:16 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 01:24:19 | cranch | damn |
| 01:24:21 | cranch | :) |
| 01:24:27 | noda | TheMasterMind1: What's changed? Nothing an ipkg upgrade can't fix? |
| 01:24:38 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: i just want to make em wait :) |
| 01:24:43 | noda | TheMasterMind1: lol |
| 01:24:47 | TheMasterMind1 | actually, the kernel and stuff is changing |
| 01:24:52 | TheMasterMind1 | new logo |
| 01:24:56 | noda | Woo, ner kernel? 2.4.19? |
| 01:24:58 | noda | Or just new logo? |
| 01:25:09 | TheMasterMind1 | hah. 2.4.19, don't you wish.. |
| 01:25:10 | noda | really really really really can't wait for 2.4.19... |
| 01:25:16 | noda | And gcc-3.2... |
| 01:25:21 | cranch | TheMasterMind1: you like the feeling of power? |
| 01:25:23 | badalex|hw | lol |
| 01:25:26 | kergoth | scanline: if you get the color scheme figured out, i'd like to just call this damn thing released :) |
| 01:25:38 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: upload sometime so i can test |
| 01:25:40 | noda | color scheme? |
| 01:25:41 | kergoth | alright, hold up |
| 01:25:55 | kergoth | noda: he antialiased and dithered the boot logo. looks much nicer, but the colors are screwy |
| 01:25:56 | scanline | kergoth: I just fixed (well, kludged...) it, about to push |
| 01:26:00 | noda | Woo! :) |
| 01:26:09 | kergoth | scanline: k |
| 01:26:15 | noda | Does the boot logo wait for a second before doing the animation? That'd be nice 'cuz it'd give time for the screen to warm up... |
| 01:26:33 | kergoth | i'd like to get that damned frontlight turned on before the animation |
| 01:26:34 | kergoth | actually |
| 01:26:38 | kergoth | i should play with that now |
| 01:26:50 | noda | That is definitely necessary before release :P |
| 01:26:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:26:56 | Dessimat0r | woo |
| 01:26:58 | scanline | kergoth: This _should_ work, but give me a few minutes to compile a new kernel to test it |
| 01:26:58 | kergoth | gotta have our priorities |
| 01:27:02 | noda | How can one call it finished when one can't even see the animation! |
| 01:27:03 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:27:05 | kergoth | pretty pictures are #1 |
| 01:27:06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:27:08 | noda | rofl |
| 01:27:11 | TheMasterMind1 | upload |
| 01:27:11 | kergoth | scanline: k |
| 01:27:12 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:27:13 | cranch | damnit :) |
| 01:27:21 | noda | Oh, has the default theme changed? Oh, right, not the distro maker's job, n/m. |
| 01:27:27 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:27:30 | kergoth | we include them all though |
| 01:27:33 | noda | Cool :) |
| 01:27:45 | noda | Are we gonna do one last test of this before officially labelling it 3.0? |
| 01:27:48 | noda | Is apm fixed? |
| 01:27:59 | cranch | I can't wait :) |
| 01:28:02 | TheMasterMind1 | was it ever borken |
| 01:28:10 | noda | TheMasterMind1: It doesn't remember the time sometimes. |
| 01:28:16 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 01:28:20 | TheMasterMind1 | apm = power management |
| 01:28:23 | ljp | wonders if anyone still uses windows 3.1 |
| 01:28:26 | TheMasterMind1 | what's that got to do with time |
| 01:28:33 | badalex|hw | ljp: ... lol |
| 01:28:36 | noda | I forget :P... oh, whoops, atd rather :P |
| 01:28:41 | kergoth | he's right |
| 01:28:44 | kergoth | to replace atd |
| 01:28:51 | kergoth | we need apmd to work without fucking with our power button handling |
| 01:29:07 | kergoth | then we replace atd with opiealarm, only called by the suspend/resume scripts by the apm daemon |
| 01:29:11 | kergoth | and all is happy |
| 01:30:06 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: is ofileselector almost done |
| 01:30:21 | cranch|kmart | oh I hope its done when I get back :) |
| 01:30:30 | kergoth | cranch|kmart: hehe. later |
| 01:30:32 | TheMasterMind1 | the nightly kmart run eh? |
| 01:30:36 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:30:40 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks his download script |
| 01:30:52 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks kergoth: upload some test files |
| 01:30:59 | kergoth | blah |
| 01:31:02 | ljp | dunno |
| 01:31:03 | kergoth | theres nothing that needs testing |
| 01:31:07 | noda | kergoth: So this is going to happen before the release? |
| 01:31:21 | kergoth | replacing atd? |
| 01:31:22 | kergoth | no |
| 01:31:28 | noda | Ah. |
| 01:31:37 | kergoth | i have no idea why apmd freaks our power button handling. thats definately after the release |
| 01:31:44 | kergoth | besides, that'd require more testing time to confirm it works even if it was working |
| 01:31:53 | kergoth | and we've done plenty of testing imho |
| 01:31:57 | kergoth | i want to get this damn thing out the door |
| 01:32:03 | noda | So just put up an FAQ that says "killall -HUP atd"? |
| 01:32:15 | kergoth | is a HUP sufficient? |
| 01:32:20 | egv`away | wants kergoth to get this damn thing out the door, too |
| 01:32:20 | kergoth | or is a restart necessary? |
| 01:32:27 | noda | I don't know, apparently a restart worked. |
| 01:32:32 | noda | For somebody earlier today... |
| 01:32:35 | kergoth | yeh |
| 01:32:41 | kergoth | i still cant reproduce it |
| 01:32:45 | kergoth | i set the time earlier and it worked fine |
| 01:32:50 | Coup-PDA | right, headin out, l8r all :) |
| 01:32:53 | scanline | runs to get some food while his kernels compile |
| 01:33:04 | noda | kergoth: It only seems to happen once :P |
| 01:35:16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: should prerelease be on the dodwnload page too? |
| 01:35:26 | TheMasterMind1 | or should i put like 3.0 and 3.1 beta |
| 01:35:49 | TheMasterMind1 | or 3.0 and 2.9.7 beta |
| 01:35:57 | TheMasterMind1 | in which case you need to update filenames for the prerelease |
| 01:35:59 | TheMasterMind1 | files |
| 01:36:02 | TheMasterMind1 | bbiaf |
| 01:37:18 | ljp | how about just naming it 'Oskar' |
| 01:37:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:38:12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dont bother putting the prereleases on the download page, theres no need. those that do testing for us will know how to find them |
| 01:38:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: for now anyway |
| 01:39:03 | Dessimat0r | 'Melchior' is a better build name |
| 01:39:24 | noda | Call it "I Hope This Works" |
| 01:39:35 | noda | (or IHTW , for short) |
| 01:39:43 | Dessimat0r | or 'Baltazar' ;) |
| 01:40:34 | Boog | if I got my hands on an extra zaurus I'd love to test :-) |
| 01:40:50 | Piete_ | damn netsplit |
| 01:41:06 | noda | Call it "Apollo" :) |
| 01:41:27 | noda | Some release sometime has to be called Apollo :) |
| 01:41:31 | kergoth | "Drogon" |
| 01:41:35 | kergoth | i think 3.0 works |
| 01:41:37 | Dessimat0r | 'Baltazar' ;) |
| 01:41:42 | Dessimat0r | 'Melchior' ;) |
| 01:41:53 | noda | kergoth: You mean no release name? That's insane! |
| 01:42:09 | noda | whispers subluminally in your ears... "Apollo"... "Apollo"... |
| 01:42:23 | Dessimat0r | 'Bastard' |
| 01:42:25 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 01:42:26 | kergoth | aha |
| 01:42:30 | noda | rofl |
| 01:42:31 | egv | heh |
| 01:42:31 | kergoth | dratsaB |
| 01:42:33 | Piete_ | lol |
| 01:42:37 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 01:42:44 | noda | That sounds like a good name :) |
| 01:42:46 | kergoth | lol |
| 01:42:46 | ciaolinux | why not threedotzero? |
| 01:42:54 | Piete_ | how about 'Piete' |
| 01:42:55 | Dessimat0r | threedotzero sucks. |
| 01:42:57 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 01:43:00 | kergoth | pins the non-creativity award on ciaolinux |
| 01:43:04 | Piete_ | lol |
| 01:43:04 | egv | lol |
| 01:43:10 | ciaolinux | :-) |
| 01:43:16 | noda | Apollo! |
| 01:43:20 | Dessimat0r | 'Chaos Engine' |
| 01:43:30 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 01:43:47 | Piete | How about 'MicrosoftAOLDell' I'm sure we won't get sued for that |
| 01:43:56 | Boog | "bugger"? |
| 01:43:59 | Piete | lol |
| 01:44:11 | ciaolinux | "nobugs |
| 01:44:11 | Dessimat0r | 'I@LOVE@AOL' |
| 01:44:12 | noda | dratsab is probably the best. |
| 01:44:13 | Dessimat0r | LOL |
| 01:44:34 | Piete | 'goatse' |
| 01:44:42 | kergoth | lol. hardwire would get a kick out of that, it was his saying bastard left and right that made it our word of the day |
| 01:44:47 | Dessimat0r | 'McDonalds Cheezeburger 3.0' |
| 01:45:23 | Dessimat0r | 'Deathcore' |
| 01:45:33 | Dessimat0r | 'Nuclearfuck' |
| 01:45:52 | Dessimat0r | 'InsaneKing' |
| 01:46:05 | Piete | 'ShutUpDessimat0r' |
| 01:46:07 | Dessimat0r | 'Starflash' |
| 01:46:09 | Dessimat0r | lmao |
| 01:46:12 | ciaolinux | 'oct28' (if it is today) |
| 01:46:20 | noda | likes Piete's :) |
| 01:46:21 | ciaolinux | otherwise `date` |
| 01:46:44 | Dessimat0r | By the Goatse, I command you! BRING FORTH OZ 3.0 |
| 01:46:55 | kergoth | Nuclearfuck, i like that |
| 01:47:01 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 01:47:01 | kergoth | but then, i'm a fairly twisted bastard |
| 01:47:03 | kergoth | i like drastsab |
| 01:47:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:48:01 | egv | go with dratasb... its cryptic ;) |
| 01:48:18 | noda | dratsab :) |
| 01:48:18 | egv | er, dratsab even |
| 01:48:23 | kergoth | yes, and has a definitite inside joke feel |
| 01:48:26 | Dessimat0r | PhotonMind |
| 01:48:27 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 01:48:28 | kergoth | and those who figure it out will be amused |
| 01:48:54 | ljp | heh |
| 01:48:54 | Piete | hehe |
| 01:49:00 | noda | And those who don't think it sounds cool... like the sound some alien space ray would make. |
| 01:49:16 | kergoth | *whirrrr* DRATSAB! |
| 01:49:19 | kergoth | keel over dead |
| 01:49:25 | noda | dies. |
| 01:49:34 | Piete | like the classic BOFH 'daehtihs' |
| 01:49:35 | kergoth | hides the alien space ray |
| 01:50:12 | Piete | lol |
| 01:50:39 | noda | lies dead, silently pointing to kergoth in hopes that alien detectives will understand. |
| 01:51:32 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: did you upload files? |
| 01:52:38 | Dessimat0r | anigav-nemow, it should be called |
| 01:52:43 | ciaolinux | http://www2.silvercrk.com/lobby/profile.html?Game=hearts&ID=3071 |
| 01:53:11 | ciaolinux | http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Camp/8080/about_dratsab.html |
| 01:53:20 | kergoth | smacks Dessimat0r with a 2x4 on general principle |
| 01:53:28 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 01:55:24 | chouimat | smacks Dessimat0r just for fun |
| 01:55:36 | scanline | thinks of OZ3 codenames... |
| 01:55:45 | scanline | Shiny Tinfoil Fender |
| 01:56:21 | kergoth | speaking of women |
| 01:56:21 | kergoth | i need one |
| 01:56:21 | ciaolinux | suruaz |
| 01:56:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no, i'm playing with trying to get the frontlight turned on again |
| 01:56:21 | ciaolinux | kergoth: did you try imm's app? |
| 01:56:22 | kergoth | ciaolinux: the matchmaking one? no.. i dont know any women with Z's |
| 01:56:22 | kergoth | ciaolinux: :) |
| 01:56:22 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: bah, just upload something so i can test this thing atleast :\ |
| 01:56:22 | Piete | Dessimat0r: that doesn't even sound so bad.. it has a nice ring to it :p |
| 01:56:22 | Piete | smacks Dessimat0r anyway :P |
| 01:56:22 | ciaolinux | kergoth: well it can be a nice gift! |
| 01:56:22 | ciaolinux | kergoth: hmm... maybe not |
| 01:58:07 | chouimat | OZ3 code name: PSW (Portable Surrogate Woman) |
| 01:58:28 | ciaolinux | 'spaghetti' |
| 01:58:54 | ciaolinux | (so that it would be easier to find a name for oz4 |
| 01:58:56 | ciaolinux | ) |
| 02:00:34 | kergoth | chouimat: lol |
| 02:00:58 | kergoth | 19:30 < Professr3> picobot, seen scanline? |
| 02:00:58 | kergoth | 19:30 < PicoBot> scanline was last seen on #openzaurus 3 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: |
| 02:01:01 | kergoth | Shiny Tinfoil Fender [Mon Oct 28 18:56:52 2002] |
| 02:01:04 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:01:05 | kergoth | thats gotta look funny |
| 02:01:07 | kergoth | out of context |
| 02:01:10 | Piete | lol |
| 02:01:12 | Piete | !! |
| 02:01:25 | scanline | yay, new boot logo is unfunky |
| 02:01:37 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:01:37 | TheMasterMind1 | finally |
| 02:01:46 | scanline | finally no more jagged pingizauru edges when I boot my zaurus |
| 02:01:50 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: I was eating :P |
| 02:01:52 | noda | Okay, does it light up though? |
| 02:02:13 | scanline | eh.. that's kergoth's problem :) |
| 02:06:44 | kergoth | scanline: nice |
| 02:06:44 | kergoth | noda: i'm working on that |
| 02:06:44 | kergoth | scanline: so the new ppm in bk is good? |
| 02:06:51 | noda | Oh :P |
| 02:06:51 | noda | cracks the whip. |
| 02:07:37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: http://openzaurus.org/oz_tmm1/content/download.php |
| 02:07:52 | scanline | kergoth: yep. I also modified logo_util.c... currently it has a completely braindead parser for the ppm headers though :-/ |
| 02:08:32 | cranch|waiting | thats pretty TheMasterMind1 |
| 02:09:12 | TheMasterMind1 | cranch|waiting: thanks |
| 02:09:24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: looking good, just need a table for the initrd.bin :) |
| 02:09:27 | egv | TheMasterMind1: looks good |
| 02:09:36 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: well, if you upload shit it will auto create the rest of the tables |
| 02:09:42 | TheMasterMind1 | its looking for the files, and it don't find em |
| 02:09:47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ahh gotcha |
| 02:09:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thats pretty smooth. |
| 02:10:04 | egv | TheMasterMind1: you still need bootflag.txt, right? |
| 02:10:14 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:10:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: will it put bootflag.txt on the page? |
| 02:11:49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: no, i thought we don't need that anymore |
| 02:11:53 | TheMasterMind1 | the installguide doesn't mention it either |
| 02:12:30 | kergoth | hm, has anyone flashed without it recently? |
| 02:12:33 | kergoth | i havent even tried |
| 02:12:38 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, lots of people have |
| 02:12:42 | TheMasterMind1 | confirm it though |
| 02:12:56 | VERItas | umm. is there a 32/32 for us 5500 owners? |
| 02:12:56 | kergoth | alright, i'll confirm when i test these zImages |
| 02:13:01 | noda | i never use bootflag.txt |
| 02:13:08 | kergoth | VERItas: there are around 8 different kernels available, including 32-32 |
| 02:13:19 | cranch|waiting | I'll help test if you need it ;) |
| 02:13:29 | VERItas | for 3.0? |
| 02:13:44 | egv | VERItas: the download page isn't live yet. |
| 02:14:04 | VERItas | oh. guess that would help too. weeee. |
| 02:14:15 | kergoth | yep, thats a testing page. i'm confirming these zImages are happy, then we'll release |
| 02:14:31 | egv | hopes the zImages are happy |
| 02:14:46 | kergoth | i'm sure they will be. i'm not so sure they'll be so happy that the frontlight will turn on rigth away |
| 02:14:49 | kergoth | but here's hoping |
| 02:14:49 | scanline | hopes the boot logo didn't spontaneously combust on its way to kergoth's computer |
| 02:14:52 | ljp | kicks a zImage |
| 02:15:23 | TheMasterMind1 | hehe |
| 02:15:28 | TheMasterMind1 | prays to the frontlight gods |
| 02:15:31 | Dessimat0r | of course |
| 02:15:47 | Boog | keeps refreshing sourceforge.... |
| 02:15:58 | DaJoker | oooh.. I might get a full compile of moz this time |
| 02:16:03 | kergoth | Boog: i hate the sf files page. i may throw it away completely |
| 02:16:15 | kergoth | Boog: we're using the download page tmm1 is working on :) |
| 02:16:16 | Boog | sucks does it? |
| 02:16:21 | kergoth | yes |
| 02:16:25 | kergoth | SF provides nice services |
| 02:16:29 | kergoth | which is why its too bad that they all suck |
| 02:16:48 | Boog | is there a way to just link to the download from somewhere else? |
| 02:16:49 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 02:17:11 | TheMasterMind1 | Boog: yes |
| 02:17:14 | cranch|waiting | download links? |
| 02:17:15 | cranch|waiting | hehe |
| 02:17:35 | Boog | then all should be happy :) |
| 02:17:48 | TheMasterMind1 | waits for kergoth to test |
| 02:18:03 | kergoth | just updated my opie |
| 02:18:06 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:18:06 | kergoth | waiting for it to catch up with me |
| 02:18:13 | kergoth | better get my cf reader out of my bag |
| 02:18:21 | kergoth | here's hoping usb-storage doesnt crash & burn on me again |
| 02:18:25 | cranch|waiting | Mines in the laptop with the CF card :P |
| 02:18:29 | Boog | this is kinda exciting |
| 02:18:48 | kergoth | oz has been 'almost ready for release' for like 3 weeks or something |
| 02:18:49 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:18:52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:19:26 | Boog | I just wish there was a way I could get in on helping, I just don't know enough...just enough to mess things up |
| 02:19:27 | Boog | lol |
| 02:19:47 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: can you just disable the file download section on SF? or have it redirect to our page or something? |
| 02:20:35 | egv | looks at fluxbox screenshots |
| 02:20:37 | TheMasterMind1 | themastermind1@usw-pr-shell1:~/oz/oz_tmm1$ cp include/config.inc ../oz_website/include/ |
| 02:20:37 | TheMasterMind1 | cp: overwrite `../oz_website/include/config.inc', overriding mode 0644? y |
| 02:20:37 | TheMasterMind1 | cp: cannot create regular file `../oz_website/include/config.inc': Permission denied |
| 02:20:38 | TheMasterMind1 | pos |
| 02:21:10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: use cvs |
| 02:21:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :) |
| 02:21:23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: just commit those changed files, then cvs update oz_website |
| 02:22:31 | TheMasterMind1 | yea but config is changed |
| 02:22:48 | TheMasterMind1 | and i don't want to push the file with the mysql pass to cvs |
| 02:22:48 | egv | anyone here using fluxbox for a wm? |
| 02:23:04 | noda | TheMasterMind1: so don't :) |
| 02:23:09 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: heh |
| 02:23:15 | Piete | egv: me |
| 02:23:16 | TheMasterMind1 | egv: yes |
| 02:23:22 | egv | what do you guys think of it? |
| 02:23:26 | TheMasterMind1 | its great |
| 02:23:27 | TheMasterMind1 | i love it |
| 02:23:28 | Piete | egv: nice :) |
| 02:23:33 | Piete | egv: clean, fast |
| 02:23:49 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: can you fix the padding issue with ul ? |
| 02:23:58 | noda | TheMasterMind1: later. |
| 02:23:59 | egv | cool... I'll have to look into it more |
| 02:24:01 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 02:24:19 | TheMasterMind1 | fluxbox can run on the Z |
| 02:24:20 | TheMasterMind1 | its great |
| 02:24:29 | Piete | PicoBot: oz prerelease |
| 02:24:29 | PicoBot | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 02:24:57 | TheMasterMind1 | roge99: sup |
| 02:25:03 | Dessimat0r | we need to inform slashdot |
| 02:25:05 | Dessimat0r | upon release |
| 02:25:20 | egv | ack... not until I get my image downloaded! |
| 02:25:39 | cranch|waiting | damn straight |
| 02:25:40 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 02:25:42 | cranch|waiting | We get first shot :P |
| 02:26:07 | Piete | Dessimat0r: inform /. about what? |
| 02:26:11 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:26:12 | TheMasterMind1 | not a bad idea |
| 02:26:14 | cranch|waiting | the upcoming release |
| 02:26:15 | Dessimat0r | about OZ3.0 being release |
| 02:26:16 | TheMasterMind1 | ./ it |
| 02:26:17 | Dessimat0r | d |
| 02:26:17 | Piete | ahhh |
| 02:26:19 | TheMasterMind1 | yes! |
| 02:26:20 | TheMasterMind1 | and also |
| 02:26:22 | TheMasterMind1 | put it on zsi |
| 02:26:23 | cranch|waiting | not yet... |
| 02:26:27 | cranch|waiting | we get first dibs.. |
| 02:26:33 | Piete | <homer>doh</homer> slaps forehead |
| 02:26:33 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 02:26:34 | TheMasterMind1 | also |
| 02:26:35 | noda | wants to /. - extra karma :) |
| 02:26:36 | TheMasterMind1 | um |
| 02:26:37 | cranch|waiting | I'll be damned if we get it ./'d before I get it :P |
| 02:26:38 | TheMasterMind1 | thinks |
| 02:26:41 | TheMasterMind1 | where should i put changelog |
| 02:26:44 | Piete | noda: lol |
| 02:26:44 | cranch|waiting | sorry doesn't put thumbs back on hands marge... |
| 02:26:45 | TheMasterMind1 | should i put up an html version |
| 02:26:50 | TheMasterMind1 | i think thatd be good idea no? |
| 02:26:51 | VERItas | dotslashed? |
| 02:26:56 | Piete | TheMasterMind1: yea |
| 02:26:57 | noda | TheMasterMind1: A DB version |
| 02:26:58 | cranch|waiting | yes... |
| 02:26:58 | Dessimat0r | i need to go to bed :( Put it up soon ;) |
| 02:27:00 | cranch|waiting | ./'d :P |
| 02:27:01 | cranch|waiting | hehe |
| 02:27:04 | cranch|waiting | typo :( |
| 02:27:16 | noda | cranch|waiting: You don't /. sf.net :P |
| 02:27:25 | noda | That's one good thing about running on sourceforge :) |
| 02:27:27 | Piete | waits for all the lame comments on /. about 'Their server running on a Zaurus' |
| 02:27:39 | cranch|waiting | thats cool :) |
| 02:27:43 | Piete | I know :) |
| 02:27:49 | Dessimat0r | heh, Slashdot and Sourceforge are both on the OSDN |
| 02:28:08 | cranch|waiting | http://forums.augie.edu/~cranch/helpdesk.mp3 |
| 02:28:11 | cranch|waiting | thats FUNNY :P |
| 02:28:22 | Piete | Yea, Imagine a Beowulf cluster of The.. Nevermind.. |
| 02:28:29 | Dessimat0r | and if the Slashdot server cannot get Slashdotted, i doubt this server can ;) |
| 02:28:36 | cranch|waiting | :) |
| 02:28:37 | cranch|waiting | true |
| 02:28:41 | Dessimat0r | or beowulf cluster, or whatever they use |
| 02:28:42 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:29:06 | Piete | Dessimat0r: /. got /.ed during 9/11 |
| 02:29:26 | Dessimat0r | they must have improved since then |
| 02:29:26 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: db version? |
| 02:29:33 | egv | Piete: that just 'cause no one could get to any of the news domains |
| 02:29:36 | TheMasterMind1 | oh for changelog |
| 02:29:38 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, eventually |
| 02:29:41 | TheMasterMind1 | but no time right now |
| 02:29:49 | Piete | egv: yea, that was before the days of google news :) |
| 02:30:02 | Dessimat0r | its not like everyone on /. owns a Zaurus, either ;) |
| 02:30:16 | noda | TheMasterMind1: No, not right now, just put something HTML but I can cook up a changelog very quickly. |
| 02:30:17 | Piete | Dessimat0r: yea, there was a poll a few days ago.. |
| 02:30:32 | noda | A TODO too. |
| 02:30:33 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: yep |
| 02:30:33 | Dessimat0r | there was? |
| 02:30:36 | Dessimat0r | what was the result? |
| 02:30:37 | noda | Suppertime. |
| 02:30:51 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:30:57 | Piete | Dessimat0r: http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=875&aid=-1 |
| 02:31:18 | Piete | Dessimat0r: 872 |
| 02:31:18 | egv | time to go home... cf reader's there anyway ;) |
| 02:31:25 | Piete | bye |
| 02:31:31 | Dessimat0r | 872 people from /. owns a Zaurus ;) |
| 02:31:32 | cranch|waiting | see yah egv... |
| 02:31:38 | Dessimat0r | http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=875&aid=-1 |
| 02:31:41 | egv | night all |
| 02:31:44 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 02:32:32 | Piete | Dessimat0r: according to this, Qtopia desktop is less popular than a rolodex :) http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=874&aid=-1 |
| 02:32:35 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 02:32:51 | Piete | actually Palm desktop is quite decent :) |
| 02:32:59 | Dessimat0r | I know ;) |
| 02:33:02 | Dessimat0r | Used to have a m100 |
| 02:33:16 | cranch|waiting | my GF has a Zire... |
| 02:33:18 | Piete | uses a PalmIIIc in addition to the Zaurus |
| 02:33:24 | cranch|waiting | shes addicted to it now..kinda cute :) |
| 02:33:31 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 02:33:36 | Piete | cranch|waiting: yea,, it looks nice |
| 02:33:42 | cranch|waiting | no backlight.. |
| 02:33:43 | Dessimat0r | Palm based PDAs are so... inferior |
| 02:33:46 | Dessimat0r | in every way |
| 02:33:50 | cranch|waiting | but she doesn't know PDA's are supposed to.. |
| 02:33:52 | cranch|waiting | :) |
| 02:33:52 | Dessimat0r | yet a lot cost more |
| 02:34:04 | Piete | The palms are damn stable tho,, mine has not crashed once in 2 years of heavy use :)) |
| 02:34:08 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 02:34:20 | Dessimat0r | the Palms are no-messing devices |
| 02:34:24 | cranch|waiting | brb...upgrading the DRI on my damn radeon... |
| 02:35:00 | Dessimat0r | I'll get this thing tomorrow |
| 02:35:00 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:35:03 | Dessimat0r | oz3 |
| 02:35:50 | TheMasterMind1 | oh doh! |
| 02:35:54 | TheMasterMind1 | i had some changes i forgot to push |
| 02:37:02 | Piete | Dessimat0r: my old IIIx crashed a few times though :) |
| 02:37:18 | Piete | Dessimat0r: its damn nice :) |
| 02:37:19 | Dessimat0r | yeah ;) |
| 02:37:25 | Dessimat0r | mine crashed from overclocking |
| 02:37:39 | Dessimat0r | 16hz to 30hz ;) |
| 02:37:47 | Piete | hehe, I overclocked my Palm to a whopping 40Mhz!! |
| 02:37:54 | Piete | from 33 |
| 02:38:12 | Dessimat0r | ^ 16Mhz to 30Mhz, sorry ;) |
| 02:38:19 | Piete | its more like Mega Hurts |
| 02:38:21 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 02:40:06 | scanline | palms are plenty fast enough :) |
| 02:40:22 | scanline | I sure wish the zaurus had the battery life of an old Palm... |
| 02:40:29 | scanline | weeks from a single pair of AAAs |
| 02:40:29 | Dessimat0r | yeah, no waiting for apps to lead ;) |
| 02:40:37 | Dessimat0r | load |
| 02:41:11 | Piete | scanline: yea... |
| 02:41:16 | Piete | yo cranch |
| 02:41:20 | scanline | would really like to try making a picogui/linux distro for Palms, but doesn't have time to maintain a kernel port |
| 02:41:37 | Dessimat0r | wow... linux for palms |
| 02:41:42 | Dessimat0r | can you get that already? |
| 02:41:43 | cranch | sup Piete |
| 02:41:44 | scanline | in fact, wouldn't even need linux if I could stick a filesystem and some memory management in picogui >:) |
| 02:41:44 | Piete | LinuxDA |
| 02:41:49 | scanline | Dessimat0r: yes, uClinux |
| 02:41:52 | scanline | Piete: HELL NO |
| 02:41:56 | cranch | FSCK FSCK FSCK FSCK FSCK FSCK..you DAMN DRI ATI BS |
| 02:41:58 | cranch | oops :) |
| 02:42:09 | scanline | Piete: LinuxDA is based on uClinux, and probably in violation of the GPL |
| 02:42:15 | Dessimat0r | cool |
| 02:42:18 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:42:34 | Piete | scanline: yea I just mentioned it.. it sucks.. What I really like is Windstone linux or something |
| 02:42:42 | scanline | I've used uClinux plenty, though not on Palms |
| 02:42:42 | Piete | scanline: can run palm apps too |
| 02:43:01 | scanline | eh, screw palm apps. If you want palm apps, run PalmOS |
| 02:43:07 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 02:43:07 | Piete | ;) |
| 02:43:09 | Dessimat0r | its too late |
| 02:43:11 | Piete | nite |
| 02:43:11 | Dessimat0r | zz |
| 02:44:08 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmmm |
| 02:44:11 | TheMasterMind1 | waits....... |
| 02:44:11 | cranch | I think I'm the only one still waiting for OZ3 :P |
| 02:44:13 | TheMasterMind1 | gets impatient |
| 02:44:22 | cranch | the damn download site doesn't update :P |
| 02:44:26 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 02:44:27 | Piete | cranch: use prebeta ;) |
| 02:44:28 | TheMasterMind1 | what download site? |
| 02:44:38 | Piete | errgh |
| 02:44:41 | Piete | not pre BETA |
| 02:44:45 | Piete | slaps self |
| 02:44:51 | Piete | prerelease :) |
| 02:45:37 | cranch | Piete... |
| 02:45:38 | cranch | NO |
| 02:45:38 | cranch | :P |
| 02:45:39 | cranch | hehe |
| 02:45:53 | Piete | why not? |
| 02:46:18 | cranch | its not OZ3 :P |
| 02:46:27 | TheMasterMind1 | gets bored and improves the download site |
| 02:46:36 | Piete | cranch: fine |
| 02:46:37 | TheMasterMind1 | there, now it tells you the size of the file |
| 02:46:38 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:46:40 | Piete | cranch: be like that :) |
| 02:46:41 | cranch | hehe :) |
| 02:46:44 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, how about a download counter.. |
| 02:46:44 | cranch | I will :) |
| 02:46:53 | TheMasterMind1 | thinks |
| 02:46:55 | cranch | I'm pissed because my F-in Radeon won't work with DRI... |
| 02:47:14 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: should i make a download counter ornot? |
| 02:47:15 | cranch | TheMasterMind1: what download site should I be watcing?> |
| 02:47:23 | DaJoker | TheMasterMind1: getting closer on the moz build.. |
| 02:47:27 | DaJoker | -rwxr-xr-x 1 joker joker 280426 Oct 28 21:49 libgfx_qt.so |
| 02:47:35 | DaJoker | actually builds the qt frontend now |
| 02:47:44 | TheMasterMind1 | DaJoker: nice |
| 02:48:33 | TheMasterMind1 | cranch: the one we tell you to go to when we release :) |
| 02:48:50 | DaJoker | still haven't gotten it to run through a complete build yet.. but seeing the qt frontend build is encouraging :) |
| 02:49:57 | TheMasterMind1 | cranch: go proofread all the text on http://openzaurus.org/oz_tmm1/content/download.php |
| 02:50:04 | TheMasterMind1 | DaJoker: heheheh :) |
| 02:50:16 | DaJoker | well shit.. another snag |
| 02:53:29 | cranch | damn you to hell ATI and Linux |
| 03:17:02 | | noda: huh? |
| 03:17:02 | noda | ibot: Hello! We missed you. |
| 03:17:05 | chouimat|away | PicoBot: be zippy |
| 03:17:05 | PicoBot | Here I am in 53 B.C. and all I want is a dill pickle!! |
| 03:17:06 | cranch | cranch 4430 0.2 0.8 7692 4476 ? S 21:14 0:00 gaim |
| 03:17:11 | | picobot is nothing but a sausage-snorfling plate of sheep-biting fat-woman's stomach-bile. |
| 03:17:11 | Piete | ibot: insult picobot |
| 03:17:15 | | YOW!! The land of the rising SONY!! |
| 03:17:15 | chouimat|away | PicoBot: be zippy |
| 03:17:17 | | ibot is nothing but a beslubbering mass of ill-borne seagull puke. |
| 03:17:17 | noda | PicoBot: insult ibot |
| 03:17:17 | cranch | and I'm talking to my dad on it :) |
| 03:17:17 | PicoBot | I want the presidency so bad I can already taste the hors d'oeuvres. |
| 03:17:20 | PicoBot | ibot is nothing but a clouted bucket of fly-bitten cat hair. |
| 03:17:29 | | picobot is nothing but a fobbing coagulation of tepid cold sores. |
| 03:17:29 | Piete | ibot: insult picobot |
| 03:17:30 | | picobot is nothing but a common-kissing bucket of dizzy-eyed Stimpy-drool. |
| 03:17:30 | Piete | ibot: insult picobot |
| 03:17:31 | | picobot is nothing but a tempestuous assload of gleeking entrails. |
| 03:17:31 | Piete | ibot: insult picobot |
| 03:17:36 | Piete | :p |
| 03:17:38 | VERItas | nice. |
| 03:17:57 | VERItas | i want to be ported to the zaurus. |
| 03:18:05 | cranch | noda: I can see the message from my dad..just not the contact list... |
| 03:18:21 | noda | cranch: Ah, fun. |
| 03:18:30 | cranch | so how do you bring that back? |
| 03:18:32 | noda | cranch: Middle-click on the desktop, the bottom thing - "icons" - is Gaim in there? |
| 03:18:40 | cranch | middle click... |
| 03:18:42 | cranch | hehe |
| 03:18:47 | Piete | cranch: killall gaim, launch it again if you can't find it :) |
| 03:18:48 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: i'm falling asleep, you're in charge of download page now |
| 03:18:48 | cranch | emulate three-buttons... :) |
| 03:18:50 | noda | Okay then, right-click and go to "workspaces" |
| 03:18:53 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 03:18:54 | cranch | k |
| 03:18:58 | Piete | nite TheMasterMind1 |
| 03:19:04 | noda | TheMasterMind1: rofl - okay, it's not gonna get changed though :P |
| 03:19:10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:19:14 | TheMasterMind1 | just change the path to the files |
| 03:19:17 | TheMasterMind1 | all you gotta do |
| 03:19:23 | TheMasterMind1 | hell, kergoth can do it |
| 03:19:23 | noda | Okay, that's in config.inc? |
| 03:19:26 | cranch | yup..it was in there... :) |
| 03:19:27 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 03:19:33 | TheMasterMind1 | its inside download.php |
| 03:19:34 | cranch | any way to "dock" that or anything? |
| 03:19:35 | noda | Okay - I'll put it in config.inc :) |
| 03:19:39 | cranch | instead of having to do that next time...? |
| 03:19:42 | noda | Since it's site-specific. |
| 03:19:44 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: no, don't |
| 03:19:48 | noda | cranch: What do you mean? Just don't minimize it. |
| 03:19:51 | TheMasterMind1 | you just send that path to a function |
| 03:19:58 | TheMasterMind1 | you should be able to put multiple releases on the download page |
| 03:20:11 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I don't get it. Site-specific stuff goes in config.inc. It's the ONLY file that changes over multiple servers. |
| 03:20:43 | TheMasterMind1 | ok whatever |
| 03:20:45 | TheMasterMind1 | figure it out |
| 03:21:12 | noda | Heh, I'll sleep. But I'll pretend to disect your code and put it back together because hell, I'm in web design and that's what I do :P |
| 03:21:15 | noda | (pretend) |
| 03:21:17 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 03:21:32 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds like a plan |
| 03:21:33 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:21:36 | TheMasterMind1 | now i'm awake again |
| 03:21:45 | TheMasterMind1 | where the hell is kergoth |
| 03:22:02 | cranch | noda...I'll switch back to KDE soon :) |
| 03:22:04 | VERItas | heh. when flashing do you need an empty cf card or can i just delete some songs off my music cf. |
| 03:22:06 | cranch | just waiting to install it... |
| 03:22:11 | noda | cranch: You obviously haven't tried epist, eh? |
| 03:22:15 | ljp | kergoth's a witch! |
| 03:22:15 | noda | cranch: Does fluxbox come with epist? |
| 03:22:33 | TheMasterMind1 | VERItas: it doesn't need to be empty |
| 03:22:46 | noda | cranch: Imagine this: Pressing Mod4-G brings up your gaim window, pressing it again lowers it. |
| 03:22:47 | VERItas | !! thanks. |
| 03:23:02 | noda | Pressing Mod4-B opens up an address box, where you type in an url and a new Mozilla window pops up and runs it. |
| 03:23:12 | cranch | thats pretty nifty... |
| 03:23:16 | cranch | and I don't think it does... |
| 03:23:19 | noda | Mod4-W switches workspaces. Mod4-I iconifies. |
| 03:23:43 | noda | epist and bbkeys are great. They're the main reason I don't use KDE - even over the incredible speed gains *box give. |
| 03:24:04 | noda | kde binds actions to keys. epist/bbkeys bind keys to actions. So you can do anything (kde doesn't let you run arbitrary commands) |
| 03:24:20 | noda | They work especially well with, way, gaim-remote or mozilla -remote |
| 03:25:14 | cranch | kergoth got chewed up by another bear I think... |
| 03:25:26 | noda | Dammit, why does kergoth have to have a real life too :P |
| 03:25:31 | cranch | hehe |
| 03:25:33 | cranch | no shit |
| 03:28:49 | cranch | noda: can you type a full path into a fluxbox menu config? |
| 03:29:05 | cranch | I did {/usr/quake3/quake3} and she didn't start :) |
| 03:29:32 | cranch | path was wrong :) |
| 03:29:35 | cranch | opt not usr :) |
| 03:29:37 | noda | cranch: Heh |
| 03:29:41 | noda | cranch: It works fine. |
| 03:30:06 | noda | cranch: You can type environment stuff too - i.e., {KDEDIR=/opt/kde && PATH=$PATH:$KDEDIR/bin && konqueror} (I THINK) |
| 03:30:12 | noda | I don't use the menus, I do everything with epist. |
| 03:30:36 | noda | My menu is so out-of-date it's not even funny. I only use the "Config" section :) |
| 03:31:13 | chouimat|away | noda: epist? |
| 03:31:22 | noda | chouimat|away: Keybinder for openbox |
| 03:31:37 | noda | I dunno what flux uses. blackbox uses bbkeys, but I prefer epist since it uses NETWM and it doesn't open a window. |
| 03:32:31 | cranch | damnit... |
| 03:32:50 | cranch | [exec] (Quake3) {/opt/quake3/quake3} |
| 03:32:52 | cranch | shouldn't that work? |
| 03:34:08 | noda | cranch: yes it should. |
| 03:34:18 | cranch | hehe..forgot to logout after putting myself in the damn games group |
| 03:34:20 | noda | cranch: "reconfigure" |
| 03:34:26 | noda | (in the config menu) |
| 03:35:19 | cranch | :) |
| 03:35:21 | cranch | she works now |
| 03:35:37 | cranch | I had to add myself to the games group..which I did with just nano'ing the /etc/groups |
| 03:35:43 | cranch | so I had to logout and back in :) |
| 03:36:58 | noda | nano? ICK! |
| 03:38:41 | cranch | hehe I like it :) |
| 03:38:50 | cranch | I'm going to start crying if I don't see OZ3 soon :( |
| 03:39:55 | noda | Dammit, where the hell is the square root symbol in the "Symbol" font... |
| 03:40:04 | noda | Crybaby. |
| 03:41:46 | VERItas | how do i know that the z is done flashing? |
| 03:42:03 | noda | The lights turn off. |
| 03:42:08 | VERItas | thanks. |
| 03:42:15 | VERItas | flashing oz. fun fun fun |
| 03:42:22 | noda | Anyone know how to get a frickin' square root in an MS or unix font? |
| 03:42:29 | VERItas | i'm scared. |
| 03:43:07 | VERItas | what happens if it only takes like 2 minutes to flash. |
| 03:43:17 | VERItas | should i assume something went wrong? |
| 03:43:53 | noda | Nope. |
| 03:43:56 | noda | Just boot it up and have fun. |
| 03:43:58 | scanline | noda: unicode |
| 03:44:14 | VERItas | ² |
| 03:44:14 | noda | doesn't think he has a unicode font... |
| 03:44:23 | VERItas | alt+0178 on windows |
| 03:44:26 | scanline | noda: the web browser should be able to handle it |
| 03:44:28 | DaJoker | argh.. I hate C++ |
| 03:44:30 | scanline | VERItas: that's not standard |
| 03:44:51 | noda | scanline: I'm in OpenOffice :) |
| 03:44:58 | VERItas | you said in unix or windows. |
| 03:45:03 | VERItas | thats how you get it in windows |
| 03:45:04 | scanline | weilds his stick of unicode-enforcement |
| 03:45:19 | scanline | uses it to slay all nonstandard font encodings! |
| 03:45:36 | cranch | hehehe... |
| 03:45:37 | scanline | VERItas: that's the same spawn of satan that "smartquotes" are in |
| 03:45:55 | noda | Woo! Found one :) |
| 03:45:55 | cranch | I'll cry if I want to noda :P |
| 03:46:32 | noda | doesn't cry. Weird. |
| 03:46:33 | VERItas | heh. oz worked. reconfiguring packages. man. boot up. it's like christmas eve. |
| 03:48:30 | cranch | if only that boot was OZ3 :P |
| 03:49:47 | noda | Oh boy. Here we go again, need a "degree" :) |
| 03:50:00 | noda | Woo! That was much faster :) |
| 03:50:09 | scanline | noda: you better be using unicode |
| 03:50:18 | noda | scanline: lol |
| 03:50:34 | noda | Aw, shit, I didn't even want degrees, I wanted m/s :P |
| 03:52:25 | VERItas | hrmm. does oz sync with windows? |
| 03:52:34 | scanline | VERItas: FAQ!! |
| 03:52:44 | VERItas | oh man. jeeze. sorry. |
| 03:53:38 | noda | lol |
| 03:54:02 | noda | scanline: Whee, this FAQ is a great new excuse to say rtfm, eh? :) |
| 03:54:14 | scanline | noda: yep |
| 03:54:23 | ljp | how do I flash oz? |
| 03:54:30 | cranch | my girlfriend is letting me hang out for OZ? |
| 03:54:31 | cranch | :) |
| 03:54:34 | DaJoker | ljp: open your coat |
| 03:54:44 | cranch | hehe |
| 03:54:46 | ljp | I dont ive in Kansas |
| 03:54:47 | noda | :) |
| 03:55:12 | noda | It's not only people in Kansas who wear coats... |
| 03:56:27 | ljp | brrrrrr |
| 03:59:42 | ljp | brrr |
| 04:00:47 | chouimat|away | noda: pis le monde de ontreal porte des tuques en ete :) |
| 04:00:58 | noda | chouimat|away: lol |
| 04:01:16 | noda | chouimat|away: On porte les tuques maintenant, c'est froid en tabernac! |
| 04:01:29 | chouimat|away | pas si pire :) |
| 04:01:44 | chouimat|away | bon de retour au porn sur serie+ |
| 04:01:51 | noda | This is colder than usual. |
| 04:02:44 | scanline | blames the fact that he always has about 10 copies of the gimp open on his windows' opaqueness |
| 04:08:16 | | kergoth was last seen on #openzaurus 1 hours, 46 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: TheMasterMind1: just commit those changed files, then cvs update oz_website [Mon Oct 28 19:21:23 2002] |
| 04:08:16 | cranch | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 04:08:22 | | TheMasterMind1 was last seen on #openzaurus 45 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: VERItas: it doesn't need to be empty [Mon Oct 28 20:22:33 2002] |
| 04:08:22 | cranch | ibot: seen TheMasterMind1 |
| 04:12:27 | cranch | :( |
| 04:12:29 | cranch | no OZ tonight? |
| 04:13:29 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:14:32 | KallDrexx | night |
| 04:14:53 | noda | night |
| 04:15:35 | cranch | anyone home? |
| 04:15:43 | cranch | damn NFS mounts... |
| 04:16:03 | noda | moo |
| 04:16:08 | cranch | hehe |
| 04:16:26 | chouimat|Zzzz | noda: mon chat est coucher dans la secheuse avec sa couverte |
| 04:16:41 | noda | Awwwwwwwwwww |
| 04:18:04 | chouimat|Zzzz | noda: ? |
| 04:18:15 | noda | chouimat|Zzzz: C'est si cute :) |
| 04:18:18 | noda | er, ci |
| 04:18:54 | chouimat|Zzzz | noda: ca me fait une place a verifier avant de partir la secheuse |
| 04:19:12 | noda | lol |
| 04:19:17 | cranch | noda: I mounted an nfs export...but when I do ls I get ls: .: Permission denied |
| 04:19:24 | noda | Almost makes me want a cat :) |
| 04:19:28 | noda | cranch: That's nice :) |
| 04:19:32 | cranch | :p |
| 04:19:33 | noda | cranch: I've never used NFS in all my life. |
| 04:19:36 | cranch | damn |
| 04:19:44 | chouimat|Zzzz | noda: a cat is a bunch of fun experience |
| 04:24:53 | cranch | :( |
| 04:24:57 | cranch | here I was all excited... |
| 04:24:58 | cranch | :) |
| 04:25:06 | cranch | I fubared my damn icons for all my apps :( |
| 04:25:07 | | kergoth was last seen on #openzaurus 2 hours, 3 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: TheMasterMind1: just commit those changed files, then cvs update oz_website [Mon Oct 28 19:21:23 2002] |
| 04:25:07 | noda | ibot seen kergoth |
| 04:25:12 | cranch | I put a bunch n the directory... |
| 04:25:20 | cranch | and then just rm *.png 'd the thing ;) |
| 04:25:22 | cranch | no icons anymore |
| 04:25:22 | cranch | hehe |
| 04:34:25 | VERItas | is oz on ftp port 4242. (it doesn't say in the faq |
| 04:34:31 | cranch | yup |
| 04:34:49 | cranch | VERItas: you running the prerelease? |
| 04:34:58 | noda | oz? |
| 04:35:05 | noda | oz has an ftp server by default? |
| 04:35:21 | cranch | noda: doesn't it? for syncing? |
| 04:35:38 | scanline | It's Opie's ftp server, not OZ's really |
| 04:35:44 | cranch | :) |
| 04:35:49 | cranch | scanline: hows the release coming :) |
| 04:35:54 | scanline | IIRC it runs in opie-launcher's process |
| 04:36:01 | VERItas | oh. then how do i get apps onto my oz install? |
| 04:36:09 | VERItas | or connect to it to sync for that matter. |
| 04:36:10 | cranch | use AQpkg.. |
| 04:36:14 | scanline | cranch: I don't know. Last I heard kergoth was testing the kernels, but he might have gone to bed or something |
| 04:36:21 | cranch | damnit :) |
| 04:36:27 | cranch | guess I'll have to snag it tomorrow |
| 04:36:29 | cranch | if its done... |
| 04:36:36 | scanline | you can wait |
| 04:36:41 | cranch | I know :) |
| 04:36:59 | cranch | I finally got my damn NFS share to mount :) |
| 04:37:07 | cranch | to copy my mp3's to my server puter |
| 04:37:18 | VERItas | i'm confused and the faq isn't helping. |
| 04:37:21 | ljp | kergoth's a witch! |
| 04:37:44 | cranch | VERItas: you run the security app and set your IP settings? |
| 04:37:56 | cranch | ljp: burn him...hes a witch.. |
| 04:38:06 | cranch | we should see if he ways the same as a duck.... |
| 04:38:15 | ljp | did you try HUP kergoth.sh ? |
| 04:38:24 | VERItas | yeh. i set all the security settings. |
| 04:38:34 | cranch | ftp to it then.. |
| 04:38:35 | VERItas | i just put any for the last setting. |
| 04:39:01 | noda | scp... scp can handle all your file sharing needs. |
| 04:39:21 | cranch | thats true too :) |
| 04:39:21 | VERItas | for the accept sync from network: i put "any" |
| 04:39:29 | cranch | thats fine |
| 04:39:35 | cranch | you may want to trim it down later. |
| 04:39:44 | cranch | otherwise its free roam for connections :) |
| 04:40:46 | VERItas | hrmm. i can ping the ip of my organizer but i can't do anything else. |
| 04:43:48 | VERItas | zaurus: ping: sendto: network unreachable. |
| 04:48:13 | cranch|shower | you configure your network stuff? |
| 04:49:14 | VERItas | i'm confused as to how to configure it. |
| 04:51:21 | cranch|shower | well..you just run the Network app.. |
| 04:51:54 | cranch|shower | does it show 802.11b (eth0) or (wlan0) and then have your card name next to it? |
| 04:52:22 | VERItas | i don't have a card. |
| 04:52:30 | VERItas | i just have the cradle. |
| 04:52:35 | cranch|shower | cradle/usb? |
| 04:52:44 | cranch|shower | you in Windows? |
| 04:52:49 | VERItas | the usb cradle in windows xp |
| 04:53:03 | cranch|shower | do you have the IP setup on the Desktop? |
| 04:53:14 | cranch|shower | in Qtopia Desktop or whatever you are using? |
| 04:53:18 | VERItas | yup. |
| 04:53:31 | VERItas | and i gave the network connection the same ip. |
| 04:53:33 | cranch|shower | do you have your network settings setup for the adapter? |
| 04:53:43 | cranch|shower | k... |
| 04:53:44 | VERItas | yup. ip and mask. |
| 04:53:58 | cranch|shower | and the sync program doesn't detect your Z? |
| 04:54:06 | VERItas | noope |
| 04:54:12 | VERItas | how should the z be setup |
| 04:54:20 | cranch|shower | your Z and your desktop have to have different IP's |
| 04:54:31 | cranch|shower | your gateway on your Z should be your IP of your desktop... |
| 04:55:00 | VERItas | your going to laugh at me. how do i find out the ip of my desktop? |
| 04:55:20 | cranch|shower | well...just have your Z in the craddle... |
| 04:55:31 | VERItas | yeh. |
| 04:55:32 | cranch|shower | then where the adapter shows up... |
| 04:55:36 | cranch|shower | right click on it... |
| 04:55:50 | scanline | your desktop doesn't have an IP, the network interfaces on your desktop do |
| 04:56:04 | cranch|shower | true... |
| 04:56:04 | cranch|shower | :) |
| 04:56:23 | cranch|shower | what up prpplague |
| 04:56:26 | VERItas | oh i assigned the 192.168.129.1 to the desktop. |
| 04:56:36 | VERItas | to that network connection |
| 04:56:57 | cranch|shower | k... |
| 04:57:00 | cranch|shower | any luck now? |
| 04:57:32 | VERItas | nope |
| 04:57:59 | cranch|shower | hmmm |
| 04:58:13 | cranch|shower | can you ping back and forth? |
| 04:58:57 | VERItas | yup |
| 04:59:05 | VERItas | both ways. |
| 04:59:28 | VERItas | do i need to set up a tcp/ip connection on the z? |
| 05:00:44 | cranch|shower | yeah... |
| 05:00:51 | cranch|shower | you will need to in the network setup area... |
| 05:01:35 | VERItas | i'm guessing i add lan/tcp ip ? |
| 05:01:45 | VERItas | theres no usb tcp/ip |
| 05:01:51 | VERItas | like on the sharp rom |
| 05:02:26 | cranch|shower | there is too :) |
| 05:02:33 | cranch|shower | in the network setup app? |
| 05:02:40 | cranch|shower | there is usbd0 |
| 05:03:15 | VERItas | in network services the only two choices i have are dial up and lan |
| 05:03:45 | VERItas | under the "these are then network services available to add. |
| 05:06:10 | cranch|shower | what OZ version did you flash? |
| 05:06:19 | cranch|shower | certainly not the prerelease :) |
| 05:06:25 | VERItas | the newest one. |
| 05:07:07 | VERItas | 2.9.5.5 |
| 05:07:19 | cranch|shower | thats not the newest one... |
| 05:07:24 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 05:07:24 | cranch|shower | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 05:08:53 | VERItas | hrmm. well. am i pretty much screwed with 2.9.5.5 |
| 05:09:22 | cranch|shower | hehehe....flash the new one.. |
| 05:09:26 | cranch|shower | it works alot better |
| 05:09:31 | cranch|shower | unless you have no CF reader... |
| 05:09:34 | VERItas | i can't. i don't have a reader |
| 05:09:38 | cranch|shower | damn... |
| 05:09:41 | cranch|shower | hmmm.... |
| 05:09:43 | VERItas | the z was my reader. |
| 05:09:47 | cranch|shower | :) |
| 05:13:10 | VERItas | any ideas. |
| 05:13:23 | VERItas | ? |
| 05:13:24 | cranch|shower | you can mail it to me :P |
| 05:13:33 | VERItas | boner. |
| 05:13:44 | VERItas | is there any way to set up network settings manually? |
| 05:13:48 | cranch|shower | well.. |
| 05:13:51 | cranch|shower | do ifconfig -a |
| 05:14:02 | cranch|shower | see if the usb adapter shows there... |
| 05:14:47 | VERItas | yeh. |
| 05:15:03 | cranch|shower | it have an IP? |
| 05:15:07 | VERItas | yup. |
| 05:16:39 | VERItas | 192.168.129.201 |
| 05:16:46 | VERItas | same for the bcast. |
| 05:17:15 | VERItas | nevermind 192.169.129.255 is the bcast |
| 05:17:17 | cranch|shower | broadcast should have .255 on the end of it I think |
| 05:17:17 | cranch|shower | :) |
| 05:17:19 | cranch|shower | k... |
| 05:17:29 | cranch|shower | and you tried pinging that from your desktop? |
| 05:17:35 | cranch|shower | while the Z is in the cradle... |
| 05:17:35 | cranch|shower | :) |
| 05:18:15 | VERItas | ahh. you're my hero. |
| 05:18:47 | VERItas | should i flash the prerelease? |
| 05:18:52 | cranch|shower | :) |
| 05:18:54 | cranch|shower | I would... |
| 05:20:32 | cranch | off to bed... |
| 05:20:35 | cranch | good luck VERItas |
| 05:20:45 | VERItas | thanks man. |
| 05:26:18 | myuu | is waiting for the next release so he can screw over his education f^ing with his pda |
| 05:28:20 | | oz prerelease is, like, http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 05:28:20 | myuu | ibot oz prerelease |
| 05:32:44 | victorvdl | So when is OZ release now? Another few days? ;-) |
| 05:38:17 | myuu | qtella for the zaurus...oh...evil...the school system is gonna hate me |
| 05:38:36 | | oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
| 05:38:36 | myuu | ibot oz bk |
| 05:39:00 | | rumour has it oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile my own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 05:39:00 | myuu | ibot oz snapshot |
| 05:44:29 | noda | Whee, I'm back :) |
| 05:44:35 | | kergoth was last seen on #openzaurus 3 hours, 23 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: TheMasterMind1: just commit those changed files, then cvs update oz_website [Mon Oct 28 19:21:23 2002] |
| 05:44:35 | noda | ibot seen kergoth |
| 05:44:49 | noda | Man, my phone's been off the hook all night tonight... |
| 05:45:04 | myuu | playa noda? |
| 05:45:10 | noda | myuu: ? |
| 05:46:33 | myuu | the ladies calling? |
| 05:46:45 | KallDrexx | is away: sleeping |
| 05:47:43 | noda | myuu: Oh, no, this was a guy. |
| 05:52:35 | myuu | noda:hey, whatever floats you boat |
| 05:52:39 | victorvdl | thinks BZFlag should port BZFlag to the Z. |
| 05:54:07 | myuu | victorvdl:i believe bzflag runs on java (?) |
| 05:56:46 | victorvdl | myuu: Where where where? |
| 05:57:13 | victorvdl | (Though of course that would be *pitifully* slow on a Z. |
| 05:57:21 | myuu | ya |
| 06:09:27 | kergoth | yawns |
| 06:09:29 | kergoth | hey guys |
| 06:13:39 | myuu | hey man! |
| 06:19:02 | beattie | ipkg: /home/beattie/OZ/buildroot-oz/output/ipks/aqpkg_*_arm.ipk: No such file or directory |
| 06:19:18 | kergoth | beattie: update your opie cvs |
| 06:19:43 | kergoth | cd build/opie; CVS_PASSFILE=`pwd`/../../.cvspass cvs up -Pd; date +%Y%m%d > stamp-version; cd ../..; rm stamps/.opie.binary; make; |
| 06:20:15 | beattie | kergoth: thanks, I did not want to have to clean the whole thing |
| 06:20:20 | kergoth | np |
| 06:20:30 | kergoth | i should add that to our faq in the buildroot section |
| 06:20:38 | kergoth | "How do i update my opie from cvs without wiping it completely?" |
| 06:24:32 | kergoth | fucking usb storage driver |
| 06:24:35 | kergoth | brb, reboot |
| 06:34:48 | VERItas | whats the default password for root |
| 06:46:04 | beattie | VERItas: on OZ? its empty is it not? |
| 06:52:39 | VERItas | i don't think so |
| 06:52:43 | VERItas | i can't ftp in. |
| 06:52:55 | VERItas | i keeps saying use USER and PASS |
| 06:53:58 | VERItas | pain in the ass. |
| 06:54:40 | VERItas | COMMAND:>PORT 141,155,178,56,14,234 |
| 06:54:40 | VERItas | 502-PORT/EPRT is disabled for security reasons. |
| 06:54:40 | VERItas | 502 Please use PASV/EPSV instead ("passive on") |
| 06:54:52 | VERItas | and i keep getting that stupid error from the trolltech ftp |
| 06:56:05 | beattie | sorry ftp is special case, I use "scp" |
| 06:58:24 | kergoth | god i hate usb-storage |
| 06:58:32 | kergoth | particularly on this box with the ehci driver |
| 06:58:46 | scanline | VERItas: IIRC the qte ftp server uses the password "rootme" |
| 06:59:08 | scanline | VERItas: ssh is much better though |
| 06:59:41 | scanline | kergoth: heh, I still haven't got my CF reader working |
| 07:00:09 | beattie | I use a pccard adapter in a laptop :) |
| 07:00:48 | scanline | just makes sure he has at least one zaurus capable of transferring files from 802.11 to CF at any given time |
| 07:01:12 | kergoth | if you should die |
| 07:01:14 | kergoth | DIE IN WINTER! |
| 07:01:34 | scanline | hmm... good advice |
| 07:01:59 | kergoth | good song too :) |
| 07:02:26 | beattie | kergoth: I've built, installed and run OZ from bikeeper bits, thanks |
| 07:03:25 | kergoth | beattie: great. np |
| 07:04:16 | kergoth | now if usb-storage will ever cooperate without crashing my box, i could test these damn kernels |
| 07:04:48 | VERItas | wee |
| 07:06:53 | VERItas | i'm not seeing how to change the background with the new appearence applet |
| 07:08:06 | kergoth | its not in appearance |
| 07:08:08 | kergoth | its in launcher settings |
| 07:08:14 | kergoth | under teh tab configuration, under all tabs |
| 07:08:20 | kergoth | you can set a background on a per tab basis now |
| 07:08:46 | beattie | is there a quick way to set it so it doe snot suspend while in the cradle |
| 07:08:54 | kergoth | beattie: plug in the AC? |
| 07:08:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:09:01 | kergoth | it never suspends on power :) |
| 07:09:03 | beattie | it is |
| 07:09:07 | kergoth | then it wont suspend |
| 07:09:18 | kergoth | unless they broke that in the new light & power stuff |
| 07:09:22 | kergoth | how new is your opie build? |
| 07:09:38 | beattie | just did it |
| 07:10:00 | kergoth | then the old light & power is broken with the current launcher. we'll have to switch to current cvs light & power, even though its flaky as hell |
| 07:10:08 | kergoth | mutters |
| 07:11:17 | beattie | I got a battery low awrning while on ac |
| 07:13:29 | kergoth | yeah, its the changes they made to the power stuff |
| 07:13:35 | kergoth | check this |
| 07:13:37 | kergoth | unplug your power |
| 07:13:40 | kergoth | plug power back in |
| 07:13:49 | kergoth | i bet it pops up that message right away after plugging it in |
| 07:13:54 | kergoth | thats what it was doing to me earlier :) |
| 07:14:23 | beattie | yep |
| 07:14:27 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 07:14:30 | kergoth | just as things get stable |
| 07:14:35 | kergoth | the opie folks start reworking things |
| 07:14:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:14:40 | kergoth | guess thats what we get for using cvs |
| 07:14:43 | kergoth | ah well |
| 07:14:53 | kergoth | spose we may as well use current light & power from cvs as well then |
| 07:14:55 | beattie | bleading edge fun |
| 07:15:08 | kergoth | and we cant very well release it in this state, we need to pester the opie folks into fixing the power handling |
| 07:15:12 | kergoth | explodes |
| 07:15:38 | kergoth | i'm tempted to pull the launcher from 1019 as well |
| 07:15:45 | kergoth | back before they did any of the light and power changes |
| 07:15:50 | kergoth | hmm, worth a shot |
| 07:18:49 | kergoth | beattie: okay, told ibot to give sandman a message regarding the power handling, i'll open bugs in the opie bug tracker as well |
| 07:29:28 | VERItas | how do i find out my dns server if i get it through dchp? |
| 07:29:36 | kergoth | ? |
| 07:29:48 | VERItas | i need to find a dns server to use with my zaurus. |
| 07:29:52 | kergoth | why do you need to find it out? the dhcp client will set your resolv.conf for you |
| 07:29:59 | kergoth | if you used a dhcp client on the Z |
| 07:30:07 | kergoth | .. ? |
| 07:30:19 | VERItas | ahh. but how do i set my windows machine up as a dhcp server. |
| 07:30:37 | kergoth | ? |
| 07:30:41 | kergoth | i'm confused |
| 07:30:55 | kergoth | just give your Z the ips of the dhcp servers windows is using |
| 07:30:59 | kergoth | ipconfig /all should show it |
| 07:33:44 | prpplague | kergoth: evening |
| 07:33:50 | prpplague | kergoth: hows life at digi today? |
| 07:34:04 | kergoth | prpplague: shitty as always. hows the POS world treating you |
| 07:34:10 | VERItas | there it is. |
| 07:34:11 | VERItas | thanks |
| 07:34:16 | prpplague | kergoth: same here, got raid problems |
| 07:35:04 | prpplague | kergoth: freaking adaptec raid control was creating all kindof problems today |
| 07:35:23 | kergoth | fun |
| 07:35:26 | kergoth | what happened to it? |
| 07:35:56 | prpplague | kergoth: random reports of drive failure, getting scsi bus errors |
| 07:36:09 | kergoth | ack |
| 07:36:45 | prpplague | i've upgraded the driver this evening and the problems have seem to go away |
| 07:36:55 | prpplague | we'll know in a few hours....... |
| 07:40:39 | kergoth | brb, reboot onto 2.5.44-ac5 |
| 07:50:33 | Piete | I finally got kismet working :D |
| 08:14:05 | Bovine | Piete: great, what was the problem? |
| 08:16:28 | Dessimat0r | OZ3.0 status? |
| 08:16:35 | Piete | Bovine: problem? |
| 08:16:44 | Piete | Bovine: ohh |
| 08:16:44 | Bovine | getting kismet working |
| 08:17:03 | | oz release is, like, 2.9.5.5 was the last release, 3.0 will release really really soon. use prereleases for now |
| 08:17:03 | Dessimat0r | ibot oz release |
| 08:17:08 | Piete | Bovine: well I, *blush*.. Installed Sharp 2.38.. and everything worked :) |
| 08:17:10 | | i heard oz prerelease was http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 08:17:10 | Dessimat0r | ibot oz prerelease |
| 08:17:32 | Bovine | heh, k :-) |
| 08:17:39 | | kismet is http://www.kismetwireless.net/ or for OZ: http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/kismet_2.6.1-1b_arm.ipk |
| 08:17:39 | Bovine | ibot kismet |
| 08:18:01 | | Bovine: huh? |
| 08:18:01 | Bovine | ibot dragorn |
| 08:18:05 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 08:18:05 | AndyQ|Work | ibot oz prerelease |
| 08:18:09 | | OK, Bovine. |
| 08:18:09 | Bovine | ibot dragorn is the author of Kismet! |
| 08:18:18 | | hmmm... time is relative |
| 08:18:18 | Bovine | ibot time |
| 08:18:23 | Piete | I just got home,, I found 5 APs close to here.. But now qtopia won't sync again. Lol.. its funny |
| 08:20:11 | Piete | I wish qtopia desktop was more verbose.. I can't find out whats wrong.. Anyone know if it has an option to make it more verbose? |
| 08:20:21 | Piete | yo AndyQ|Work :) |
| 08:20:38 | BovineWorky | :( |
| 08:20:51 | Piete | BovineWorky: enjoy ;) |
| 08:20:53 | AndyQ|Work | mornin Piete - hows it going? |
| 08:21:02 | Piete | AndyQ|Work: great! I just got kismet working :D |
| 08:22:33 | AndyQ|Work | cool |
| 08:23:19 | Piete | yea :) |
| 08:23:59 | Piete | Now if only I can get qtopia desktop to work (again), I'll be happy.. Its strange, it worked an hour ago, when I left.. |
| 08:24:47 | AndyQ|Work | heh - try removing from cradle and replacing - that sometimes does it for me |
| 08:25:34 | AndyQ|Work | Piete: how are you getting on with OZ? |
| 08:26:26 | Piete | AndyQ|Work: its pretty good... :) |
| 08:26:41 | Piete | AndyQ|Work: much cleaner than the sharp rom, |
| 08:26:47 | kergoth | scanline's antialiased version of our boot logo is perdy |
| 08:26:56 | scanline | >:) |
| 08:27:04 | AndyQ|Work | morning kergoth - you're up late :) |
| 08:27:18 | kergoth | indeed |
| 08:27:46 | AndyQ|Work | kergoth: hows it going? |
| 08:28:29 | Piete | when I try to install some apps from the ZaurusZone feed, they never show up on the Zaurus itself, but qtdesktop says its installed.. any idea why? |
| 08:29:03 | kergoth | AndyQ|Work: not too bad, just doing some testing |
| 08:29:29 | kergoth | you? |
| 08:29:33 | AndyQ|Work | kergoth: hows it looking? did you figure out the suspend/resume issue? |
| 08:29:59 | AndyQ|Work | me - pah - I've just got to work and a whole day to get through (and most of that poxy regression testing - I really hate that!) |
| 08:29:59 | kergoth | the solution to the suspend/resume loss of conectivity is running 'ifup usbd0' on the Z |
| 08:30:33 | kergoth | theres a timing issue wembly pointed out that results in it running 'ifup usbd0; ifdown usbd0;' instead of 'ifdown usbd0; ifup usbd0;' when there's a suspend/resume event |
| 08:30:54 | kergoth | i wasnt able to reproduce the issue where opie hangs |
| 08:31:46 | AndyQ|Work | damn - I can get the usbd to come back no probs (removing and replacing on cradle usually does it) but the hang is my main issue - anything I can do to help track that down? |
| 08:32:22 | kergoth | can you ssh into the Z when its in that state? |
| 08:33:03 | Piete | at last qtdesktop works again :) |
| 08:33:28 | AndyQ|Work | No because the connection hasn't been established yet |
| 08:33:38 | kergoth | ? |
| 08:33:42 | kergoth | how do you know that? |
| 08:34:13 | kergoth | hmm |
| 08:34:29 | AndyQ|Work | Well, when I resume, when XP gets a signal that the Z is connected, it beeps at me and about 2-3 seconds after that the connection gets created (I can ping the Z at that point) |
| 08:34:52 | AndyQ|Work | the situation when it hangs is that XP beeps and immediatly the Z hangs (pretty much on the beep) |
| 08:35:14 | AndyQ|Work | does that make sense? |
| 08:35:17 | kergoth | hm |
| 08:35:20 | kergoth | not much, no |
| 08:35:24 | kergoth | but then, its late and i'm tired |
| 08:35:26 | kergoth | let me think |
| 08:36:39 | kergoth | if you ever get into a state where 2k or XP shows the eject/usb icon in the cornrer, but the network interface didnt come up, chances are you didnt eject it from windows before suspending/removing it the previous time you had it plugged in. in which case, you need to eject it in windows, then pull from the cradle and reinsert |
| 08:36:44 | kergoth | this happens to me pretty often |
| 08:36:50 | kergoth | but i still cant reproduct that damn opie hang |
| 08:36:52 | kergoth | hrm |
| 08:37:15 | AndyQ|Work | do you have XP ? |
| 08:37:36 | kergoth | at work |
| 08:37:41 | kergoth | and a 2k machine there as well |
| 08:38:18 | AndyQ|Work | well, the way it happens for me is I suspend the Z, wait 5-10 secs (until XP has seen that the Z is no longer there) then resume - it hangs pretty much 95% of hte time for me |
| 08:38:27 | kergoth | i did that 12 times in a row |
| 08:38:31 | kergoth | quite literally |
| 08:38:34 | kergoth | it came up fine everytime |
| 08:38:45 | kergoth | except for the down usbd0 interface of course, but thats a seperate issue |
| 08:38:46 | kergoth | weird |
| 08:38:52 | AndyQ|Work | heh - maybe you've fixed it without knowing :) |
| 08:38:56 | kergoth | hah |
| 08:38:56 | kergoth | i hope |
| 08:40:08 | AndyQ|Work | apart from that, hows the testing going? |
| 08:42:55 | kolla | mumbles something about dialup and irda |
| 08:43:49 | kergoth | kolla: tell ben to finish the ppp module for networksetup |
| 08:43:54 | Piete | mumbles something about food |
| 08:43:57 | kolla | kergoth: ok |
| 08:44:07 | kolla | rechannels his whining... |
| 08:44:13 | kergoth | :) |
| 08:44:27 | Piete | rechannels his whining to the kitchen |
| 08:46:03 | kolla | compiles new apache and php on his trusty old 50MHz 68030 |
| 08:46:22 | kolla | updating ssh took entire yesterday :) |
| 08:46:43 | kergoth | fucking usb-storage |
| 08:46:45 | kergoth | smacks it around |
| 08:46:49 | kergoth | reboot time again |
| 08:46:53 | kolla | usb-storage? |
| 08:47:07 | kergoth | yeah, the usb driver for cf/etc readers |
| 08:47:16 | kergoth | it crashes and hangs and does various ugly things |
| 08:47:22 | kergoth | right now the mount command is hung |
| 08:47:25 | kergoth | the process is uninterruptable |
| 08:47:31 | kergoth | cant quit it without a reboot |
| 08:47:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:47:38 | kergoth | brb |
| 08:47:39 | kolla | oh.. you have a USB card reader in your PC? |
| 08:47:44 | Piete | kergoth: weirdd.. its pretty stable here.. |
| 08:47:47 | kergoth | thanks god for the kernel Sysrq key |
| 08:47:54 | kergoth | Piete: depends on the usb controller driver |
| 08:47:58 | kergoth | Piete: ehci isnt stable atm |
| 08:48:02 | Piete | yea... |
| 08:48:02 | kergoth | Piete: plus, i'm on 2.5.44-ac5 atm |
| 08:48:08 | kolla | :) |
| 08:48:08 | Piete | I use uhci |
| 08:48:12 | kergoth | ? |
| 08:48:14 | kergoth | i cant use ehci |
| 08:48:19 | kergoth | it depends on your usb controller hardware |
| 08:48:19 | Piete | kergoth: my usb controller |
| 08:48:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:48:23 | kolla | usb-uhci? |
| 08:48:27 | Piete | ya |
| 08:48:35 | Piete | thats the module :) |
| 08:48:38 | kergoth | usb-uhci is a driver, uhci is a controller |
| 08:48:39 | kergoth | :) |
| 08:48:40 | kergoth | yep |
| 08:48:51 | kergoth | thankfully theres only one uhci module in 2.5 now |
| 08:48:54 | kergoth | which is pretty spiffy |
| 08:48:54 | kergoth | brb |
| 08:51:50 | Piete | argh, I have to study, but I'm too huunngrryyy |
| 08:52:02 | Piete | and theres nothing in the kitchen :. |
| 08:53:32 | kergoth | geh |
| 08:53:42 | kergoth | the opie launcher from 1021 sees the same behavior |
| 08:53:54 | kergoth | plug in AC, get a critical power level warning |
| 08:53:57 | kergoth | stabs opie |
| 08:54:28 | AndyQ|Work | heh |
| 08:54:39 | kergoth | oh, and the power levels with light & power dont work |
| 08:54:41 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 08:54:58 | kergoth | time to revert all of opie but aqpkg, networksetup, and light & power to 1021 |
| 08:55:06 | kergoth | I need to revert this fucking power handling shit |
| 08:55:10 | kergoth | it was stable and solid |
| 08:55:20 | kergoth | until they started revamping it completely to add ipaq light sensor support |
| 08:56:15 | AndyQ|Work | heh damn Ipaqs! I had one for 2 days and took it back coz it didn't do what I wanted |
| 08:59:36 | Piete | badl-son! |
| 08:59:59 | badl | he mate wazza |
| 09:00:08 | Piete | I got kismet working :D |
| 09:00:14 | badl | whats been happening in Piete world? |
| 09:00:18 | badl | nice |
| 09:01:05 | badl | Piete: so have you roamed the streets looking for networks to hijack? |
| 09:01:33 | Piete | badl: yea, I discovered 5 in a 100 meter walk,, and none of them use WEP :D |
| 09:02:23 | badl | nice.. free downloads ;) |
| 09:02:35 | badl | but i surpose you don't pay much for traffic in korea? |
| 09:02:48 | AndyQ|Work | yeah just need a damn big cf card to store it on :) |
| 09:02:57 | AndyQ|Work | s/cf/sd |
| 09:03:04 | badl | 1 gig ;) |
| 09:03:07 | Piete | nope, its like $25 for 1000/1000 cable |
| 09:03:12 | badl | lucky |
| 09:03:34 | badl | flat rate = 56k modem for me |
| 09:03:42 | Piete | awesome! |
| 09:03:43 | Piete | :P |
| 09:03:47 | badl | hahaa |
| 09:04:37 | badl | is off... on ly a short visit today...l8r all |
| 09:04:43 | Piete | damn, I have to study.. too lazy |
| 09:04:55 | AndyQ|Work | damn, I have to work.. too lazy :) |
| 09:04:57 | scanline | Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor not a very good actor! |
| 09:05:01 | Piete | mmmuuusssstttt...st..u..dd..yyyy |
| 09:05:19 | Piete | scanline: doctor strangelove? |
| 09:05:32 | scanline | You can't fight in here, this is the war room! |
| 09:05:42 | scanline | Don't let him in here, he'll see the big board! |
| 09:05:49 | Piete | Thermonulear war! |
| 09:05:56 | scanline | Don't stick wasabi up your nose! |
| 09:06:02 | kergoth | scanline: you look bored |
| 09:06:22 | scanline | kergoth: nah, just in Random Quotations Mode (tm) |
| 09:06:43 | scanline | maybe it's because valgrind is acting weird... |
| 09:07:01 | Piete | killall -9 scanline-randqutd |
| 09:07:19 | kergoth | quotes rock |
| 09:07:25 | scanline | watches his random quote module become a zombie process |
| 09:07:29 | | Now I think I just reached the state of HYPERTENSION that comes JUST BEFORE you see the TOTAL at the SAFEWAY CHECKOUT COUNTER! |
| 09:07:29 | AndyQ|Work | ibot be zippy |
| 09:07:35 | | AndyQ|Work: huh? |
| 09:07:35 | AndyQ|Work | ibot rocks :) |
| 09:07:41 | kergoth | Men are equal; it is not birth but virtue that makes the difference. --Voltaire |
| 09:07:46 | Piete | kergoth: talking about quotes, know if 'fortune' runs on arm yet? |
| 09:07:56 | kergoth | dont see any reason why not |
| 09:08:03 | kergoth | i was going to write a opie-today plugin for fortune |
| 09:08:05 | kergoth | :) |
| 09:08:08 | Piete | should be a very very easy port ;) |
| 09:08:15 | Piete | kergoth: awesome!! |
| 09:08:49 | kergoth | geh |
| 09:08:50 | AndyQ|Work | sweeeet |
| 09:09:12 | kergoth | jumps through hoops trying to get the right tags/dates of various bits of opie so itll be stable again |
| 09:10:08 | kergoth | hey again tw |
| 09:10:10 | kergoth | Twiun: |
| 09:10:12 | kergoth | damn tab key |
| 09:10:14 | kergoth | it hates me today |
| 09:10:25 | Twiun | hey ;-) |
| 09:10:29 | kergoth | hm, i have to wake up in 4 hours |
| 09:10:30 | kergoth | ponders |
| 09:10:48 | Twiun | lol |
| 09:10:58 | Twiun | sod sleep... just do coffee |
| 09:11:05 | AndyQ|Work | lots of coffee |
| 09:12:11 | Piete | Maintainer's Motto: If we can't fix it, it ain't broke. |
| 09:12:43 | Twiun | lol - exactly |
| 09:20:00 | kergoth | trips when jumping through the hoops and lands on his face |
| 09:20:13 | Piete | helps kergoth up |
| 09:20:29 | kergoth | thanks |
| 09:20:55 | kergoth | arm |
| 09:20:57 | kergoth | erm |
| 09:21:03 | kergoth | konsole doesnt have an icon anymore |
| 09:21:04 | kergoth | wtf |
| 09:21:22 | kergoth | better fix that |
| 09:28:30 | AndyQ|Work | wanders off for a coffee |
| 09:43:57 | Twiun | lol... AndyQ|Work, the human yoyo |
| 09:45:10 | AndyQ|Work | yeah - our ifrewall here decided to disconnect at random times - sometimes an hour sometimes 5 minutes - pants it is! |
| 09:45:15 | AndyQ|Work | firewall even |
| 09:46:55 | AndyQ|Work | yeah - our ifrewall here decided to disconnect at random times - sometimes an hour sometimes 5 minutes - pants it is! |
| 09:47:13 | AndyQ|Work | sorry finger trouble :( |
| 09:47:54 | Twiun | lol... early in the morning? |
| 09:48:17 | AndyQ|Work | wel, its almost 10:00 but I've too many damn windows open :) |
| 09:49:13 | Twiun | lol... I'm getting that way too |
| 09:50:12 | Twiun | Argh... translating Pierre's Java howto is such a chore! |
| 09:56:55 | AndyQ|Work | bounce |
| 09:57:00 | Twiun | lol |
| 09:58:09 | AndyQ|Work | right, I support I should conventrate on work - bbl |
| 10:18:07 | | well, oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 10:18:07 | datenpunk | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 10:18:48 | datenpunk | hello - I have a question regarding the different memory possibilities (zImages) - someone here? |
| 10:47:23 | kolla | datenpunk: what then? |
| 11:08:11 | kolla | *lunch* |
| 11:37:46 | Boog | *breakfast* |
| 11:42:28 | prpplague | *beer-n-breakfast* |
| 11:42:48 | Boog | I wish, but I have to go to work |
| 11:43:31 | prpplague | lol,ya well i'll be off work in about an hour, i hope |
| 11:44:06 | Boog | I'll be heading to work in about an hour :-( |
| 11:48:00 | prpplague | doh |
| 11:49:26 | Twiun | this looks interesting... http://theregister.co.uk/content/4/27825.html |
| 11:56:59 | KallDrexx | is back (gone 06:10:17) |
| 12:36:11 | noda | Still no OZ 3.0? |
| 12:36:38 | datenpunk | hello does anyone know hwne the network settings will be fixed? |
| 12:37:00 | noda | datenpunk: It's been fixed... there's no release of a fixed version though. |
| 12:37:02 | kolla | datenpunk: I use the -64 image myself |
| 12:37:09 | kolla | have no use for the ramdisks |
| 12:37:38 | datenpunk | kolla : and who would need the ramsdisk? - I just want to understand the purpose - sorry :) |
| 12:37:48 | kolla | no idea :) |
| 12:37:58 | noda | uses ramdisk for all his programs. |
| 12:38:10 | datenpunk | noda : Great - is there a release date or will it be in 3.0 |
| 12:38:17 | noda | datenpunk: It'll be in 3.0 |
| 12:38:19 | kolla | no dates |
| 12:38:28 | noda | ... which should be out last night. |
| 12:38:48 | kolla | nobody expects stabel 3.0 anyways |
| 12:39:00 | kolla | it's a dot zero release :) |
| 12:39:33 | datenpunk | yes - but I must say that oz seems to be a very well supported project compared to others |
| 12:39:42 | noda | :) |
| 12:39:58 | nadav | oz "own0rz" |
| 12:40:04 | datenpunk | so at least that there are release cycles makes me happy |
| 12:40:33 | datenpunk | noda : why are you using ramdisk? |
| 12:40:47 | noda | datenpunk: Because it gives me more space and I don't need 64MB. |
| 12:40:52 | noda | (of kernel memory) |
| 12:41:11 | kolla | but it also vanishes ever second day as OZ crashes :) |
| 12:41:21 | noda | kolla: I've never ever had it vanish. |
| 12:41:30 | kolla | you're nto me then :) |
| 12:41:32 | kolla | not |
| 12:41:34 | noda | kolla: There's a big difference between a crash and having to do a full reset. |
| 12:41:47 | noda | I've had maybe one or two crashes in the past month, and I've NEVER had to do a full reset. |
| 12:41:59 | kolla | I have to do it like.. every now and then |
| 12:42:07 | kolla | do you have CF cards? |
| 12:42:17 | datenpunk | me? |
| 12:42:18 | noda | I do... I use my SD card though. |
| 12:42:47 | datenpunk | so the ramdisk thing brings more space than the flash thing? |
| 12:42:48 | kolla | I have a problem with complete hang when rebooting |
| 12:43:05 | noda | datenpunk: I don't understand... do you actually see no use in ramdisk? |
| 12:43:28 | noda | Oh, another advantage: It's dozens of times faster than CF or SD or flash. |
| 12:43:29 | KallDrexx | is away: at school |
| 12:43:42 | kolla | the green LED shines and it wont turn off untill I open the battery lid and hit the full reset knob |
| 12:44:05 | noda | kolla: That's weird... did you check the md5sum of your initrd and kernel? |
| 12:44:14 | datenpunk | noda : well it only confuses me to have software installed on 2 different medias |
| 12:44:26 | noda | datenpunk: Holy shit, I find that so hilarious :) |
| 12:44:45 | noda | has programs on 4 partitions here... and that's just for this one OS. |
| 12:44:48 | kolla | noda: sure, and it's a random thing, and also happens with sharp rom |
| 12:44:53 | kolla | probably a flaky Z |
| 12:44:57 | noda | kolla: Sounds like it. |
| 12:44:58 | kolla | anyways |
| 12:45:09 | kolla | no problem as long as I dont use ramdisk |
| 12:45:50 | kolla | I wish it was somewhat more robust all in all though |
| 12:45:59 | kolla | entire system seems very fragile |
| 12:46:08 | noda | kolla: You should send your Z back to Sharp. |
| 12:46:31 | kolla | nah |
| 12:46:33 | noda | kolla: You're the only one I've heard of with this problem. Unless it's one of the programs you installed... |
| 12:46:43 | noda | kolla: Seriously, before your warranty expires... |
| 12:46:45 | kolla | it's the CF cards I bet |
| 12:47:08 | kolla | always seem to happen after I have replaced a card |
| 12:47:22 | datenpunk | btw cf cards I found out that not all cards work - somebody interested in details? |
| 12:47:28 | kolla | but I can replace cards without it happening also |
| 12:47:39 | datenpunk | i mean when flashing |
| 12:47:41 | kolla | just happens every now and then |
| 12:47:48 | noda | datenpunk: Which ones don't work? |
| 12:48:07 | datenpunk | IPQ |
| 12:48:15 | noda | IPQ? |
| 12:48:27 | noda | datenpunk: You gotta make sure it's FAT16-formatted too :) |
| 12:48:44 | datenpunk | yes - it seems to be only common in austria and germany |
| 12:49:03 | datenpunk | somebody wrote at zaurus.de that he can't flash to a newer sharp rom with it |
| 12:49:14 | kolla | I flash from fat32 |
| 12:49:48 | datenpunk | when flashing with it the two leds will blink endlessly and nothing happens |
| 12:49:56 | kolla | noda: I dont care enough about the thing to bother with sending it back.. it will cost a fortune anyways |
| 12:50:15 | noda | kolla: Okay, it's your choice, I shouldn't try to force you. |
| 12:50:19 | kolla | :) |
| 12:50:32 | prpplague | kolla: me too, i'm fat, i'm 32, and i flash |
| 12:50:40 | kolla | prpplague: cool :) |
| 12:52:14 | Boog | I have gotten the blinking lights thing and it just seemed to be an error on my part: not holding down the buttons properly or something |
| 12:52:49 | Boog | tried over and over and it finally went |
| 12:53:01 | datenpunk | Boog : Well I played the gema with IPQ all day yesterday - I bought a sandisk and it worked from the beginning |
| 12:53:51 | Boog | hmmm...I dunno, just thought I would add my 2 cents :-) |
| 12:53:57 | Boog | gotta run to work tho |
| 12:54:16 | Boog | have fun |
| 13:01:07 | Piete | Ahh at last... done :) |
| 13:03:54 | AndyQ|Work | wishes he could say the same about work |
| 13:04:19 | Piete | hehe |
| 13:05:13 | Piete | hmm, this qtopia desktop is driving me nuts.. It only works 'occasionally' |
| 13:22:21 | Piete | PicoBot: ozprerelease |
| 13:22:22 | PicoBot | Piete: sorry... |
| 13:22:25 | Piete | PicoBot: oz prerelease |
| 13:22:25 | PicoBot | i guess oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 13:25:58 | Piete | Has OZ prerelease been updated since yesterday? |
| 13:26:09 | nadav | Nah |
| 13:26:12 | nadav | no release yet |
| 13:26:40 | Piete | Awww |
| 13:26:48 | nadav | yes. |
| 13:26:50 | nadav | :P |
| 13:27:34 | Piete | Sharp 2.38 does not work with qtopia desktop 1.6Beta2 for some reason (or rather, it occasionally decide to reward me with a green sync button) |
| 13:27:57 | nadav | hm |
| 13:28:04 | nadav | i havent used sharp in ages |
| 13:30:49 | Piete | I have to go to bed earlier tonight I went to bed at 4:30AM last night(well moring), playing with OZ :D |
| 13:31:08 | nadav | heh |
| 13:34:27 | Piete | jumps up and down shouting at whoever is delaying OZ3 |
| 13:34:51 | nadav | hah |
| 13:34:54 | nadav | join the club |
| 14:25:47 | bipolar | It's always quiet in the morning.... |
| 14:26:21 | ljp | ya, cause kergoth's not here |
| 14:26:46 | ljp | someone needs to start kergoth.sh in a cron a little earlier |
| 14:27:29 | AndyQ|Work | heh |
| 14:29:21 | ljp | hehehe /etc/init.d/kergoth -coffee restart |
| 14:29:35 | Piete | jumps up and down shouting at whoever is delaying OZ3 |
| 14:29:45 | Piete | :p |
| 14:29:59 | ljp | you want bugs in your oz3? |
| 14:33:14 | bipolar | ljp: how else do geeks get their proten? |
| 14:34:03 | ljp | hehe |
| 14:35:23 | numatrix|away | ljp: what are the outstanding bugs right now? |
| 14:37:23 | ljp | hmm.. not sure if networksetup has cleared.. and maybe apmd issue |
| 14:45:56 | Piete | wow, iqnotes is amazing :D |
| 14:48:08 | numatrix|away | cool; the sd/cf monitor bug is fixed in opie cvs... |
| 14:48:14 | Piete | weeeeee |
| 14:48:47 | Piete | by the way, anyone else notice OpieClock kinda 'flickers', each time the second meter ticks on.. |
| 14:50:55 | datenpunk | Piete : yep - the same here |
| 14:51:18 | Piete | datenpunk: hmm, I hope it will get fixed |
| 14:52:48 | datenpunk | Piete : yes - but who really needs this clock? |
| 14:53:20 | Piete | datenpunk: well I like putting my Z on the clock mode when its in its cradle... and the flickering is annoying :) |
| 14:55:35 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:01:45 | numatrix|away | morning chouimat. by the way, how do you pronounce your name? |
| 15:02:04 | AndyQ|Work | morning |
| 15:03:37 | Piete | lo chouimat |
| 15:04:23 | Piete | gnaws on the ChewyMat :p |
| 15:04:42 | chouimat | numatrix|away: CH-OU-E |
| 15:04:57 | bipolar | Piete: My Ferrit |
| 15:05:03 | bipolar | Piete: My Ferrit does the same thing |
| 15:05:17 | numatrix|away | choimat: is the t silent? |
| 15:05:17 | Piete | lol |
| 15:05:25 | chouimat | numatrix|away: no |
| 15:19:24 | Piete | yo kergoth |
| 15:19:30 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
| 15:19:40 | Piete | to ljp_work |
| 15:19:43 | Piete | s.to.yo |
| 15:20:05 | ljp_work | huh? |
| 15:20:37 | kergoth | hey guys |
| 15:21:20 | bipolar | kergoth: Welcome back |
| 15:21:24 | ljp_work | well, well.. someone ran /etc/init.d/kergoth -coffee restart |
| 15:21:32 | bipolar | kergoth: is work a bitch today? |
| 15:21:57 | Piete | ljp_work: I meant 'Yo ljp_work' ;) |
| 15:22:00 | chouimat | kergoth: one work for you: D.O.C. |
| 15:22:30 | ljp_work | ahh |
| 15:23:28 | numatrix|away | department of corrections? |
| 15:23:30 | AndyQ|Work | hey kergoth - thought you'd still be sleeping |
| 15:23:34 | Piete | lol |
| 15:23:56 | Piete | AndyQ|Work: enjoying work? *grin* |
| 15:24:14 | AndyQ|Work | yup - 35 mins to go (and counting.....) |
| 15:25:41 | chouimat | numatrix|away: Documentation Ostie de Calice :) |
| 15:26:07 | ciaolinux | buongiorno! |
| 15:27:02 | Piete | AndyQ|Work: hehe, thats approx my countdown to bedtime :) |
| 15:27:23 | AndyQ|Work | Piete: heh |
| 15:29:04 | kergoth | work is a bitch for me every day |
| 15:29:09 | kergoth | i got about 3.5 hrs of sleep |
| 15:29:13 | kergoth | and i havent had my coffee |
| 15:29:16 | kergoth | dont fuck with me |
| 15:29:17 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:29:30 | AndyQ|Work | kergoth: heh - get coffee |
| 15:29:47 | AndyQ|Work | can't survive without coffee - lots of it! |
| 15:29:53 | ljp_work | hmm /etc/init.d/kergoth -coffee restart |
| 15:30:28 | chouimat | hmm who's the twit that build that computer; (dual Athon 1.8, 128MB ram, 2 100GB HD, 1 30GB used for swap ) |
| 15:30:37 | AndyQ|Work | I reckon /etc/init.d/kergoth -extra_strong_coffee restart |
| 15:35:25 | kergoth | hmmm nahh $0 -lots_of_soda restart; |
| 15:35:49 | AndyQ|Work | :) |
| 15:38:02 | bipolar | kergoth: FYI: KDE 3.1RC1 was released as source tarball. It will be in Debian sid hopefuly by nov 3rd. |
| 15:38:20 | kergoth | bipolar: wooot |
| 15:38:42 | chouimat | kergoth: hehehehehe |
| 15:39:00 | kergoth | alright |
| 15:39:01 | kergoth | so |
| 15:39:05 | kergoth | current thing holding up the release |
| 15:39:12 | kergoth | opie's revamping of the light & power stuff caused new bugs |
| 15:39:21 | kergoth | I'm trying to backrev the appropriate pieces to use stable versions atm |
| 15:40:55 | bipolar | kergoth: cool |
| 15:42:05 | kergoth | waits patiently for opie to finish building |
| 15:42:10 | AndyQ|Work | are there any master logs of this channel? |
| 15:42:16 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ |
| 15:42:16 | kergoth | ibot logs |
| 15:42:17 | cranch|sleeping | Morning Kergoth, bipolar, AndyQ|Work |
| 15:42:22 | kergoth | hey cranch |
| 15:42:32 | AndyQ|Work | morning cranch |
| 15:42:38 | cranch|sleeping | late night kergoth? |
| 15:42:40 | AndyQ|Work | kergoth: cheers - I should have just asked ibot |
| 15:42:51 | kergoth | cranch|sleeping: yeah, didnt sleep till 4:30 |
| 15:43:04 | | andyq|work: i don't know |
| 15:43:04 | AndyQ|Work | ibot: how long will it take me to get home tonight? |
| 15:43:12 | AndyQ|Work | heh |
| 15:43:35 | kergoth | AndyQ|Work: i'm sure the answer would have been 'too long' |
| 15:43:37 | AndyQ|Work | looks like traffic will be crap then |
| 15:43:37 | cranch | yikes...crunching away on the release? |
| 15:43:55 | | and don't you forget it |
| 15:43:55 | AndyQ|Work | ibot knows all |
| 15:44:02 | NetNut404_Work | kergoth: I did get the Z to dial a few times (ppp over serial) but never connected.. funny thing is I didn't change anything, and now it wont dial at all.. :| |
| 15:44:44 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: weird |
| 15:45:31 | cranch | I stayed around til about 11 to see if anything would come out :) |
| 15:45:37 | cranch | then I had to hit the sack.. |
| 15:46:37 | cranch | know of anyone hiring MIS grads around the cities Kergoth? |
| 15:46:38 | cranch | :) |
| 15:46:54 | datenpunk | kergoth: got my mail about buggy cf cards? I wrote it to @sourceforge bevore and it bounced |
| 15:47:35 | kergoth | datenpunk: i dont believe so, send it again to kergoth@handhelds.org, that one will always forward to a sane place |
| 15:48:21 | chouimat | kergoth: did you try 2.5.44? |
| 15:48:23 | chouimat | kernel |
| 15:48:39 | datenpunk | yes I did - ok so you'll get it :) |
| 15:49:17 | kergoth | chouimat: on the desktop? yeah, i booted up 2.5.44-ac5 last night |
| 15:50:17 | kergoth | chouimat: just got that eval arm cd last night. that didnt take long |
| 15:51:23 | chouimat | kergoth: work well? and did you receive the documentation cd? |
| 15:51:37 | kolla | is still on 2.0.36 |
| 15:51:42 | cranch | documentation? people still use that :P |
| 15:51:59 | kolla | 2.0.36 #1 Fri Feb 5 15:55:40 CET 1999 |
| 15:52:11 | cranch | hehe nice :) |
| 15:52:19 | chouimat | cranch: that help to do RE |
| 15:52:29 | cranch | hehe.. |
| 15:52:29 | cranch | brb |
| 15:52:43 | kergoth | chouimat: still waiting on the docs cd. |
| 15:53:11 | chouimat | kergoth: any problem with 2.5.44? |
| 15:53:39 | kergoth | well, my ehci controller with usb-storage hangs, but that happens to me in 2.4.20-preblah-acsomethingorother as well :) |
| 15:54:06 | kergoth | other than that, and the occasional debug messages in the usb and sound layers.. they're dumping lots of call traces when things do things they shouldnt, so they can fix them |
| 15:54:17 | chouimat | ok I think I will emerge it |
| 15:56:46 | AndyQ|Work | right - thats it had enough - I'm going home - bbl |
| 15:58:54 | cranch | ibiblio = FAST at 12 at night... |
| 16:01:17 | cranch | anyone home? |
| 16:01:25 | chouimat | me |
| 16:03:05 | kergoth | cranch: no |
| 16:04:09 | cranch | oh :) |
| 16:04:10 | cranch | hehe |
| 16:04:16 | cranch | I'm impatient..as you may know :) |
| 16:04:23 | numatrix|away | cranch: nope, definitely not |
| 16:04:42 | cranch | :P |
| 16:05:10 | kergoth | cranch: i just got the correct versions of the various pieces of opie here, about to flash and test it |
| 16:05:26 | kergoth | need to confirm light & power works, and that it suspends when not on AC and that it doesnt suspend on AC |
| 16:05:35 | cranch | sweet :) |
| 16:05:45 | cranch | damnit KDE :) |
| 16:05:45 | cranch | hehe |
| 16:05:51 | cranch | I want a new wallpaper.. |
| 16:10:11 | numatrix|away | kergoth: this the most recent bk source you're flashing, or something yet to be pushed? |
| 16:11:24 | kergoth | numatrix|away: everything is pushed as of this morning |
| 16:11:41 | kergoth | well, except my changes to use the old launcher version |
| 16:11:49 | kergoth | packages/opie/Makefile has pending changes yet |
| 16:12:43 | numatrix|away | kergoth: which package should provide qpe-base? I always have to focce-depends applications because that's not satisfied |
| 16:12:53 | kergoth | opie-base Provides it |
| 16:13:02 | numatrix|away | kergoth: Hmm, apparently mine doesn't... |
| 16:13:03 | kergoth | those packages are stupid and are Depending on qpe-base (1.5.0), not qpe-base |
| 16:13:06 | kergoth | yes, it does |
| 16:13:10 | kergoth | they're depending on a specific version |
| 16:13:14 | kergoth | which opie's version doesnt match |
| 16:13:33 | numatrix|away | really? that's dumb... A lot of apps have done it. I'll look more closely at their requirements. |
| 16:13:50 | kergoth | yep. really. apps shouldnt depend on a specific version of a thing unless theres a specific reason for it |
| 16:14:01 | kergoth | but the qtopia 'example' app did that |
| 16:14:05 | kergoth | so boom, so does everybody |
| 16:14:15 | numatrix|away | kergoth: ipkg status opie-base should show the Provides line, shouldn't it? |
| 16:14:28 | chouimat | kergoth: any way to fixe that (without the --force-depend) |
| 16:14:48 | kergoth | numatrix|away: not certain. cat /usr/lib/ipkg/info/opie-base.control |
| 16:15:09 | kergoth | chouimat: not really. unless you create a dummy qpe-base package, an empty ipk with a version of 1.5.0 |
| 16:15:20 | kergoth | chouimat: but you'd have to force it in, opie-base Conflicts with qpe-base |
| 16:15:36 | numatrix|away | people just need to make their packages correctly... |
| 16:15:45 | kergoth | that would be nice |
| 16:15:49 | numatrix|away | including maybe, me. ;-) (numatrix goes and checks the ipks he made) |
| 16:15:50 | kergoth | email those package maintainers |
| 16:17:27 | cranch | I like KDE 3.1... |
| 16:18:59 | cranch | :) |
| 16:19:21 | kergoth | datenpunk: thanks for the fyi on those cards, i'll add that to the faq |
| 16:20:15 | datenpunk | kergoth : welcome :) |
| 16:25:04 | cranch | can I help with anything? |
| 16:25:08 | kergoth | hey tux_mike, myuu |
| 16:25:12 | tux_mike | hey |
| 16:25:12 | cranch | I'm bored off my ass watching KDE compile... |
| 16:25:18 | myuu | hehe...opie-irc is so cool |
| 16:25:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:25:32 | kergoth | cranch: not really, i just need to test these power things, then release it |
| 16:25:39 | kergoth | couple typos in the install guide and changelog |
| 16:25:43 | numatrix|away | myuu: do you have an icon on the taskbar for it? when I was using it, there was no icon |
| 16:25:45 | myuu | sitting here during a test...chatting..i need aim |
| 16:26:00 | kergoth | if you want to submit faqs, go for ti :) |
| 16:26:01 | myuu | yup |
| 16:26:02 | numatrix|away | kergoth: That close? Sweet... |
| 16:26:32 | kergoth | numatrix|away: yeah, the revamping of the light & power stuff to add ipaq light sensor support added some new bugs, so i reverted the launcher and light & power app, hopefully this is solid again. |
| 16:26:36 | myuu | me kergoth |
| 16:26:41 | kergoth | ah the perils of following cvs HEAD |
| 16:26:43 | kergoth | :0 |
| 16:26:52 | cranch | cool :) |
| 16:27:12 | myuu | tries to find the question mark |
| 16:27:13 | numatrix|away | I'm glad they fixed the bug with the cf/sd cards though--you see that bug was closed? |
| 16:27:22 | numatrix|away | myuu: left of space |
| 16:27:36 | myuu | ??? hehe |
| 16:27:39 | myuu | thnx |
| 16:27:46 | numatrix|away | Sure thing; took me forever, sadly. |
| 16:28:16 | myuu | time to abuse the t1...hello qtella |
| 16:29:14 | myuu | ... |
| 16:29:28 | cranch | qtella on my gentoo install SuXors |
| 16:30:31 | myuu | damn...no browser..does ipkg do an apt-get type of thing? |
| 16:32:27 | cranch | is there a guy working on Mozilla for the Z? |
| 16:32:51 | Dess|College | back |
| 16:32:57 | myuu | dun think so |
| 16:33:11 | cranch | hmmm.... |
| 16:33:18 | cranch | did Konqueror ever install kergoth? |
| 16:33:27 | myuu | do phoenix not moz |
| 16:33:31 | kergoth | havent tested it, remind me again in a couple minutes |
| 16:33:34 | cranch | k |
| 16:33:36 | Dessimat0r | cranch: no, but it installed me :D |
| 16:33:54 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: i think he needed a comma in there somewhere :) |
| 16:34:01 | Dessimat0r | rofl ;) |
| 16:34:04 | cranch | ;) |
| 16:34:06 | cranch | smart ass |
| 16:34:15 | myuu | can't find it |
| 16:34:17 | myuu | ,,,,, |
| 16:34:20 | myuu | =/ |
| 16:34:25 | kergoth | myuu: cant find what? |
| 16:34:38 | myuu | n/m |
| 16:34:43 | xKallDrex | chouimat hey have you played exult yet? i cna't figure out how to attack |
| 16:34:48 | xKallDrex | does the zarusu have double click? |
| 16:35:02 | kergoth | tap + hold generally generates a double click event in most apps |
| 16:35:05 | chouimat | KallDrexx: played about 5 minutes yesterday |
| 16:35:09 | cranch | Grand Theft Auto | Vice City is out today :) |
| 16:35:24 | myuu | 4th for me =( |
| 16:35:27 | xKallDrex | kergoth ah i'll have to try that |
| 16:36:40 | myuu | kergoth, any ipkg howtos? |
| 16:36:48 | | howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ or see xcompile for cross compiler setup |
| 16:36:48 | numatrix|away | ibot: howto |
| 16:36:52 | numatrix|away | myuu: see that first link |
| 16:37:07 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ |
| 16:37:07 | AndyQ | ibot logs |
| 16:37:19 | numatrix|away | though actually, someone really should write a better ipkg doc; there are lots of things that that howto doesn't cover well. qpe-base (1.5.0), for example |
| 16:38:07 | myuu | but, can it do an apt-get like thing? |
| 16:38:08 | NetNut404_Work | this is odd.. I am having changing the categories my documents are in.. I drag the documents, but the category lists never show up. |
| 16:38:50 | numatrix|away | myuu: yeah, sorta. if you have the feeds set up correctly, you can run: ipkg install packagename |
| 16:39:19 | cranch | kerogth: reminding you to test Konqueror :) |
| 16:39:25 | myuu | thats what i thought...what is the name of the aim client? |
| 16:39:45 | treke | kinkatta |
| 16:39:58 | myuu | cranch:peeps getting bus errors too? |
| 16:40:11 | myuu | thnx |
| 16:41:01 | cranch | no clue... |
| 16:41:05 | myuu | 404 on ipkg update |
| 16:41:06 | cranch | kergoth was going to test it... |
| 16:41:20 | cranch | you guys see you can get a 128mb CF card from Crucial for $38? |
| 16:41:30 | myuu | it does work for me =/ |
| 16:41:35 | myuu | *nt |
| 16:42:10 | NetNut404_Work | myuu: used to work for me too |
| 16:42:16 | NetNut404_Work | dunno when it stopped |
| 16:42:37 | myuu | stopped at the prerelease for me |
| 16:42:40 | cranch | me too.. |
| 16:42:58 | Dessimat0r | http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listmodule.asp?module=CompactFlash&Attrib=Package&cat= |
| 16:43:01 | Dessimat0r | crap! |
| 16:43:03 | Dessimat0r | cheap! |
| 16:43:05 | Dessimat0r | :D |
| 16:43:16 | cranch | :) |
| 16:43:17 | myuu | back to test...ttyl |
| 16:43:26 | xKallDrex | ok well tab and hold didn't work |
| 16:43:26 | cranch | later myuu |
| 16:43:30 | Dessimat0r | not crap as in card, crap as in suprise ;) |
| 16:43:35 | cranch | tap and hold xKallDrex? |
| 16:43:43 | cranch | don't hold the tab key and hold.. |
| 16:43:47 | cranch | tap the screen and hit hold :P |
| 16:43:55 | xKallDrex | and hit hold? |
| 16:44:01 | cranch | shit |
| 16:44:09 | cranch | tap the screen and hold it down |
| 16:44:21 | xKallDrex | hmm it wasn't working but let me try it again |
| 16:44:27 | cranch | good deal huh Dessimat0r |
| 16:44:35 | Dessimat0r | yeah |
| 16:44:40 | cranch | tap the screen with they stylus and hold it down :) |
| 16:44:49 | cranch | I hope you were weren't hitting the tab key and holding it :) |
| 16:46:07 | cranch | I've been refreshing the OZ download page for about 4 hours now :) |
| 16:46:08 | cranch | hehe |
| 16:46:40 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 16:46:57 | Dessimat0r | http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/1/0,3363,i=17295,00.jpg |
| 16:47:15 | Dessimat0r | take a look at these speakers.. so nicew |
| 16:49:39 | xKallDrex | cranch not working with exult |
| 16:50:16 | cranch | xKallDrex: never played it.. |
| 16:51:51 | | exult 0.6.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=337 |
| 16:51:51 | cranch | ibot: search zsi for exult |
| 16:52:46 | cranch | looks cool...cept for the shitty screenshots :) |
| 16:55:08 | neale | I'd really like to be able to play Ultima 1-3 on the Z. |
| 16:55:17 | cranch | anyone know if zepo will run on OZ? |
| 16:55:19 | | kergoth was last seen on #openzaurus 20 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: tap + hold generally generates a double click event in most apps [Tue Oct 29 09:35:02 2002] |
| 16:55:19 | cranch | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 16:55:38 | chouimat | cranch: zepo? |
| 16:56:05 | numatrix|away | neale: you could try it with bochs... |
| 16:56:09 | cranch | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=3965&s=75a5810d1bb4d1a930c7970b55ba062f |
| 16:58:05 | neale | yeah I was thinking about a PC emulator |
| 16:58:23 | neale | but then I was like, you know, I should probably spend that time porting frotz to qtopia instead. |
| 16:58:42 | NetNut404_Work | myuu: did you figure out the category thing? |
| 17:00:08 | cranch | I want to flash :( |
| 17:00:08 | cranch | hehe |
| 17:00:14 | cranch | OZ on my Z that is.. |
| 17:00:22 | numatrix|away | is tinyx working in the oz buildroot? |
| 17:01:09 | kergoth | numatrix|away: should build fine |
| 17:01:10 | kergoth | i havent played with it myself |
| 17:01:50 | neale | cranch: what's stopping you? |
| 17:01:58 | cranch | OZ3 isn't out yet :) |
| 17:02:03 | neale | oh |
| 17:02:12 | neale | so install the beta |
| 17:03:03 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 17:03:03 | neale | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 17:05:20 | cranch | hehe...Kergoth said it'd be released in a few after testing... |
| 17:05:26 | cranch | supposedly a new kernel? |
| 17:05:30 | cranch | I heard at one time... |
| 17:05:37 | cranch | http://news.com.com/2100-1001-963447.html?tag=fd_nbs_ent |
| 17:05:40 | cranch | good article :) |
| 17:05:48 | numatrix|away | kergoth: It built ok, but when I ran it, I got: "no touchscreen available" not a big dea; just playing. |
| 17:06:17 | kergoth | well, the only new kernel changes are a boot logo thats antialiased and dithered, and added a couple NLS modules |
| 17:06:29 | kergoth | and i tried to get that damn frontlight on before the animation, we'll see if that worked |
| 17:07:48 | cranch | hehe |
| 17:07:52 | cranch | release..release :P |
| 17:07:53 | cranch | hehe |
| 17:08:06 | kergoth | i'm waiting for the image to download so i can test that power stuff |
| 17:08:11 | cranch | ducks from kergoth's swinging punch :) |
| 17:08:17 | cranch | hehe |
| 17:09:09 | kergoth | chouimat: i love the arm arm, i really do :) |
| 17:09:20 | Dessimat0r | ZSI has just been updated |
| 17:09:21 | chouimat | kergoth: good book |
| 17:09:46 | Dessimat0r | nothing but bloody pay software |
| 17:09:59 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 17:10:06 | chouimat | kergoth: need to fix my printer setup, and I think I will kill some trees |
| 17:10:11 | Dessimat0r | ZTrans looks okay |
| 17:10:15 | Dessimat0r | thats GPL ;) |
| 17:10:17 | ljp_work | ya I'd hate to actually have to support somebodies code hobbies |
| 17:10:18 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe. i'm tempted to do that too |
| 17:10:30 | numatrix|away | anybody here played opie-nethack? |
| 17:11:08 | chouimat | kergoth: using kprint (4 per page) and doing duplex myself |
| 17:11:13 | chouimat | numatrix|away: up |
| 17:11:15 | numatrix|away | qpe-nethack (3.3.something) works fine, but opie-nethack (3.4.0) crashes on entering the gnomish mines. |
| 17:11:36 | chouimat | numatrix|away: didn't get there |
| 17:11:45 | kergoth | chouimat: i'm at work, not my paper or toner, i'm thinking 1 page per page ;-) |
| 17:11:54 | chouimat | kergoth: hehe |
| 17:12:18 | chouimat | kergoth: I have a Lexmark Z53 and an old HP Deskjet 500C |
| 17:12:44 | Dessimat0r | anyone know when Rollercoaster Tycoon 2 is out? |
| 17:12:57 | numatrix|away | chouimat: the entrance is somewhere between levels 2-4; not too deep. |
| 17:13:00 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: some day |
| 17:13:19 | chouimat | numatrix|away: It's not installed. I just have exult now |
| 17:13:28 | beattie | is there a straight forward way to build just and app, such as konqe? |
| 17:13:32 | Dessimat0r | chouimat: good ;) |
| 17:13:58 | Dessimat0r | I've found the german version on emule |
| 17:14:05 | Dessimat0r | so that must be out? |
| 17:14:10 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: emule? |
| 17:14:14 | myuu | omfg |
| 17:14:23 | myuu | esiest math test eva |
| 17:14:30 | chouimat | omfg? |
| 17:14:33 | Dessimat0r | edonkey client |
| 17:14:41 | Dessimat0r | alternative to edonkey |
| 17:14:43 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 17:14:49 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: url? |
| 17:14:49 | myuu | sample question...-8-6 |
| 17:15:03 | myuu | dumb stabdarized tests |
| 17:15:12 | Dessimat0r | http://sourceforge.net/projects/emule/ |
| 17:15:24 | Dessimat0r | its a brillaint app |
| 17:15:31 | Dessimat0r | brilliant |
| 17:15:39 | Dessimat0r | much better than eDonkey |
| 17:15:49 | Dessimat0r | same network |
| 17:15:56 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: win32 :( |
| 17:16:11 | | i think feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or at http://zfi.zaurii.com/ |
| 17:16:11 | myuu | ibot feeds |
| 17:16:29 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: try to find Alldata on emule |
| 17:16:45 | | oz release is 2.9.5.5 was the last release, 3.0 will release really really soon. use prereleases for now. |
| 17:16:45 | egv | ibot oz release |
| 17:17:05 | egv | hmm... something happen to oz3 last night? |
| 17:17:42 | kergoth | not really |
| 17:17:48 | kergoth | i got tired around 4:30am and went to bed |
| 17:17:49 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:17:53 | egv | heh ;) |
| 17:18:01 | kergoth | working on it now |
| 17:18:05 | egv | so how are the zImages looking? they test out okay? |
| 17:18:05 | kergoth | (dont tell my boss) |
| 17:18:06 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:18:09 | egv | lol |
| 17:18:18 | egv | your secret's safe with me ;) |
| 17:19:05 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: same time i went to bed on Sunday ;) |
| 17:19:10 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: in GMT |
| 17:19:30 | Dessimat0r | now i am tired as crap |
| 17:19:34 | Dessimat0r | never again... |
| 17:19:43 | myuu | argh...404s on all ipkg updates |
| 17:19:44 | Dessimat0r | although I always say that |
| 17:20:08 | egv | Dessimat0r: never say "never again"... that just pisses off fate ;) |
| 17:20:15 | tux_mike | kerg: haven't asked about OZ in a few days, how is it? :) |
| 17:20:22 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 17:20:29 | Dessimat0r | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=683 |
| 17:20:39 | Dessimat0r | omg.. they want you to pay for this |
| 17:20:47 | Dessimat0r | konquerer does a better job |
| 17:20:49 | Dessimat0r | and its free |
| 17:21:11 | Dessimat0r | you just save the page, and transfer it to the Z |
| 17:21:13 | xKallDrex | arg |
| 17:21:18 | myuu | k...is huge |
| 17:21:22 | Dessimat0r | i know |
| 17:21:27 | Dessimat0r | whats why i love my CF ;) |
| 17:21:42 | Dessimat0r | qpqrt from the filesystem |
| 17:21:44 | Dessimat0r | apart |
| 17:21:44 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 17:22:07 | egv | heh... I was just trying to figure out what the hell that could stand for |
| 17:22:14 | myuu | its also giving me a bus error |
| 17:22:24 | cranch | hehe |
| 17:22:28 | cranch | everything testing out alright? |
| 17:22:29 | myuu | =( |
| 17:22:35 | myuu | ya |
| 17:22:46 | myuu | except opie-tux =( |
| 17:22:52 | Dessimat0r | bloody have EXT2, and it slows down writes to it, takes bloody ages.... blooody Minix has speedy writes, but no support for long filenames and a maximum FS size of 64mb |
| 17:22:53 | Dessimat0r | arg |
| 17:23:06 | kergoth | thats awfully bloody |
| 17:23:10 | Dessimat0r | it is |
| 17:23:12 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 17:23:26 | cranch | zepo looks nice...except it costs money... Mazingo = Free |
| 17:23:50 | myuu | mazingo? |
| 17:24:00 | AndyQ | kergoth: if I want to update my entire buildroot (all packages and everything), how do I do that? |
| 17:24:03 | Dessimat0r | Zepo... looks nice? |
| 17:24:06 | Dessimat0r | it looks awful |
| 17:24:22 | kergoth | AndyQ: define update |
| 17:24:41 | kergoth | AndyQ: most things in the biuldroot are pulled from http/ftp, and as such there is no 'update' unless we change them to use a newer version |
| 17:24:44 | AndyQ | kergoth: OK, get the latest uptodate code |
| 17:24:47 | treke | cranch: mazingo isnt all free though |
| 17:24:54 | cranch | it is for the text version.. |
| 17:25:02 | cranch | not for the Graphical/Video type shit... |
| 17:25:12 | kergoth | AndyQ: for the cvs items? |
| 17:25:14 | treke | cranch: some of the text stuff isnt free iirc |
| 17:25:16 | kergoth | AndyQ: or ..? |
| 17:25:28 | kergoth | AndyQ: bk pull to update your buildroot itself. any changed packages should be rebuilt |
| 17:25:37 | AndyQ | kergoth: I guess I mean the equivelent of a complete make clean |
| 17:25:37 | kergoth | AndyQ: updating the items that the buildroot pulls from cvs is a bit different |
| 17:25:58 | myuu | can someone gimme the direct link tp the howto on ipk |
| 17:26:05 | xKallDrex | how do i use a swapfile with my zaurus? |
| 17:26:22 | myuu | dont..its fuxor things |
| 17:26:32 | | howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 17:26:32 | cranch | ibot: howtos |
| 17:26:41 | kergoth | AndyQ: 'make clean' |
| 17:26:43 | xKallDrex | arg exults starting to give me memory problem |
| 17:26:44 | kergoth | AndyQ: :) |
| 17:26:54 | myuu | bbl...lunch |
| 17:27:04 | AndyQ | kergoth: heh that simple? |
| 17:27:07 | kergoth | AndyQ: or make mrproper if you want it to redownload the sources as well |
| 17:27:09 | kergoth | AndyQ: yep |
| 17:27:15 | kergoth | AndyQ: then make to start the build again |
| 17:27:33 | AndyQ | kergoth: does make mrproper do a make clean as well? |
| 17:27:39 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:27:44 | kergoth | it just wipes the downloaded sources as well |
| 17:27:58 | AndyQ | kergoth: cheers |
| 17:28:13 | kergoth | AndyQ: read docs/BUILD |
| 17:28:15 | kergoth | AndyQ: :) |
| 17:28:22 | beattie | kergoth: is there an easy way to build just an app/package such as, say bash? |
| 17:28:33 | kergoth | beattie: make SUBDIRS=packages/blah |
| 17:28:46 | kergoth | beattie: you can of course apply any target to a specific package that way |
| 17:28:48 | kergoth | for example |
| 17:28:54 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel mrproper |
| 17:29:00 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/opie sources |
| 17:29:19 | kergoth | etc |
| 17:30:00 | beattie | kergoth: tried that with konqe and nana, says "nothing to do for package" or some such |
| 17:30:07 | beattie | nano |
| 17:30:11 | AndyQ | I should cobble this together into a faq |
| 17:30:11 | kergoth | then it wasnt enabled in the config |
| 17:30:23 | kergoth | you have to enable it using menuconfig/config/xconfig before you can do anything with it atm |
| 17:30:32 | kergoth | i could change that to let you still be ablet o build them manually |
| 17:30:33 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:30:35 | kergoth | yeah, thats easy |
| 17:30:40 | kergoth | i'll add that later |
| 17:31:00 | beattie | kergoth: ok I thought that might be the case :( |
| 17:31:09 | egv | AndyQ: submit it all to the oz.org faq, maybe? |
| 17:31:40 | AndyQ | egb: thats what I was thinking |
| 17:31:55 | AndyQ | egv: I mean |
| 17:32:02 | kergoth | beattie: just enable it in the config first for now |
| 17:33:02 | kergoth | i just called a car insurance company for a quote |
| 17:33:14 | kergoth | they'll give me ins for $135 a month instead of my current $260 |
| 17:33:15 | kergoth | woots |
| 17:33:24 | AndyQ | result! |
| 17:33:30 | Twiun[nwn] | beattie: hey, you were asking about JVMs, right? |
| 17:34:19 | beattie | Twiun: yes |
| 17:34:58 | Twiun | beattie: what ones have you identified so far? |
| 17:35:14 | Twiun | beattie: I'm working on getting JVMs for OZ |
| 17:35:28 | VERItas | anyone know where i can get libdb.so.2? |
| 17:35:49 | VERItas | apache refuses to run without it. |
| 17:36:16 | noda | Moo! |
| 17:36:20 | beattie | I can't give recal off the top of my head, I was planning on trying to port kaffe |
| 17:36:24 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 29 seconds ago, saying: hardwire: make sure you buy the pants *before* you get the girl [Tue Oct 29 10:35:55 2002] |
| 17:36:24 | noda | ibot seen kergoth |
| 17:36:33 | noda | kergoth: Oh, hello - what's up with OZ3? :) |
| 17:36:37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:36:39 | Twiun | beattie: Cool - if you do kaffe, I'll concentrate on Wonka |
| 17:36:45 | kergoth | i love out of context ibot seen messages |
| 17:36:49 | kergoth | noda: testing atm |
| 17:36:52 | noda | lol |
| 17:36:57 | Twiun | beattie: and if you get kaffe building, lemme know ;-) |
| 17:36:57 | egv | lol |
| 17:37:02 | kergoth | noda: starting falling asleep on the keyboard around 4:30am last night |
| 17:37:05 | egv | that's a good one ;) |
| 17:37:06 | noda | kergoth: rofl |
| 17:37:07 | kergoth | s/starting/started/ |
| 17:37:09 | beattie | Twiun: ok |
| 17:37:48 | Twiun | beattie: Whatcha running atm? Sharp ROM or OZ? and what Z... 5000 or 5500? |
| 17:37:55 | cranch | kergoth: had to pester..(I'm good at it though) you have an ETA? |
| 17:38:43 | noda | cranch: That was a pretty pathetic pester, you call yourself a pesterer? |
| 17:38:46 | Twiun | kergoth: when you say testing... stable enough for me to make the switch to OZ? |
| 17:38:49 | beattie | Twiun: what I doing right now is figureing out of to crosscompile/integate with OZ. I plan to grabe the kaffe sources later today |
| 17:39:01 | beattie | Twiun: 5500 |
| 17:39:03 | egv | anyone have a suggestion for a good usb CF card reader that plays nice with linux? |
| 17:39:04 | kergoth | Twiun: its pretty damn solid right now, i would think so. |
| 17:39:08 | Twiun | beattie: Cool |
| 17:39:22 | noda | egv: My SDDR-75 plays nice... apparently the SDDR-73 does too and it reads SD. |
| 17:39:27 | Twiun | kergoth: Great... gonna take the plunge and see if Wonka works as well on it |
| 17:39:32 | noda | So if I had found an SDDR-73 I woulda gotten that instead. |
| 17:39:50 | cranch | noda: I can be worse...just ask kergoth |
| 17:39:53 | noda | kergoth: What's the most important feature to be added to the site now - changelog? |
| 17:40:01 | cranch | we determined I should setup a cronjob to pester him every half an hour :) |
| 17:40:02 | kergoth | noda: tmm put changelog and downloads up |
| 17:40:05 | egv | noda: thx - looking it up now |
| 17:40:10 | noda | kergoth: I mean a REAL changelog. |
| 17:40:11 | kergoth | noda: make improvements. fix typos. that sort of thing |
| 17:40:15 | chouimat | noda: TVA good subject |
| 17:40:16 | kergoth | noda: hehe |
| 17:40:26 | kergoth | noda: you mena not just a static html page? ;) |
| 17:40:30 | noda | kergoth: Yeah :) |
| 17:40:36 | noda | That's like a "staythesamelog" |
| 17:41:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:41:48 | kergoth | hey, whatever works |
| 17:42:00 | kergoth | i told him we need content up there first for the release :) |
| 17:42:37 | noda | Yep, he asked me to do a changelog and I said my phone was off the hook nonstop last night and I had a physics lab to do so I couldn't do it, and he said he'd do a static but I should make a dynamic page later :) |
| 17:43:20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:43:22 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 17:43:33 | kergoth | yeah, i dont see much else that needs doing now, its looking good |
| 17:43:49 | noda | Okay... well, there's always that Unofficial FAQ lingering in the back of my mind. |
| 17:44:02 | cranch | so the release is going up? |
| 17:44:02 | cranch | :P |
| 17:44:05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:44:06 | noda | And I gotta fix tmm1's html :P |
| 17:44:08 | kergoth | cranch: i'm *testing* |
| 17:44:11 | kergoth | actually |
| 17:44:12 | kergoth | i flashed |
| 17:44:14 | kergoth | and my Z wont turn on |
| 17:44:16 | kergoth | smacks it around |
| 17:44:30 | noda | lol |
| 17:44:45 | noda | cranch: Okay, I guess you are pretty good at pestering. Now shut up so he can test :P |
| 17:45:23 | cranch | hehe |
| 17:45:32 | cranch | I leave him aloen now :) |
| 17:45:36 | noda | Ack! i've broken my ncurses! vim isn't colourful now :( |
| 17:45:38 | cranch | got to shower and go get some subway |
| 17:45:47 | noda | Anybody know anything at all about ncurses? :) |
| 17:45:55 | kergoth | ncurses is spiffy |
| 17:45:59 | noda | knows nothing except that he uninstalled the one that came with his distro and compiled 5.3... |
| 17:46:05 | treke | ncurses is the toolkit of God |
| 17:46:11 | noda | If it's doing stuff only in black and white, what do I have to do? :) |
| 17:46:26 | kergoth | noda: set your TERM variable right? :) |
| 17:46:36 | noda | kergoth: xterm |
| 17:47:04 | noda | kergoth: Anything else? :P |
| 17:47:11 | kergoth | and the xterm terminfo entry is installed? |
| 17:47:20 | noda | Um... where would that be? :P |
| 17:47:31 | kergoth | /usr/share/terminfo/x/ |
| 17:47:35 | kergoth | ls -l xterm |
| 17:47:43 | noda | Yes, it's there. |
| 17:48:02 | kergoth | welp, that about exhausts my abilities. maybe later when i have more caffeine in me |
| 17:48:06 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:48:17 | noda | A-ha! Thanks, the default xterm seems to be black-and-white. |
| 17:48:28 | noda | I used xterm-256color and it's nice now :) |
| 17:48:40 | noda | Don't suppose there's a way to get 24-bit colour, eh? :) |
| 17:48:55 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:48:56 | kergoth | dunno |
| 17:49:16 | egv | *laughs* just be happy it's not 2-bit color anymore ;) |
| 17:49:34 | noda | Yeah... now I have to find out how to set this permanently. I assume xterm sets it itself, he? |
| 17:49:37 | noda | er, s/he/eh |
| 17:49:43 | kergoth | damnit Z |
| 17:49:44 | kergoth | BOOT |
| 17:49:46 | kergoth | !@#%!@^ |
| 17:49:53 | neale | whuh oh |
| 17:49:53 | noda | kergoth's Z: BOOT! |
| 17:50:00 | kergoth | noda: thanks |
| 17:50:04 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 17:50:14 | neale | bites his nails |
| 17:50:15 | kergoth | yanks the battery, puts the switch into normal operation, hits full reset, and waits patiently |
| 17:50:51 | neale | if that doesn't help, tell it I'm going to send my cousin Guido over. |
| 17:51:09 | cranch | starts to cry |
| 17:51:10 | cranch | hehe |
| 17:51:11 | cranch | j/kj |
| 17:51:23 | AndyQ | well - did it boot? we're all waiting here......... :) |
| 17:51:34 | kergoth | i have to let the backup battery drain here |
| 17:51:34 | neale | I'm guessing it did |
| 17:51:35 | kergoth | wait |
| 17:51:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:51:39 | neale | oh |
| 17:51:48 | AndyQ | heh |
| 17:51:52 | kergoth | redownloaads the images too just to be safe |
| 17:51:56 | neale | yikes |
| 17:52:13 | noda | Whee! Fixed my ncurses :) |
| 17:52:25 | neale | the backup batter just refreshes the RAM, right? |
| 17:53:08 | kergoth | didnt work |
| 17:53:12 | kergoth | redownloads and reflashes |
| 17:53:25 | VERItas | where do i get qpe-base? |
| 17:53:29 | egv | that has to be the dumbest f*cking product desc. I've ever read... |
| 17:53:34 | Twiun | starts flashing OZ.... |
| 17:53:35 | egv | looking at sandisk's website |
| 17:53:47 | kergoth | VERItas: you already have it |
| 17:53:53 | neale | sandisk CFs are a little slow |
| 17:54:07 | egv | it doesn't even say what media it can read! |
| 17:54:22 | VERItas | how come it says that it can't satisfy dependencys? |
| 17:54:35 | neale | egv: maybe it's one of those that can read anything. |
| 17:54:40 | kergoth | VERItas: beacuse that stupid package depends on qpe-base Version 1.5.0 |
| 17:54:48 | kergoth | VERItas: you have opie-base, which Provides qpe-base, but isnt 1.5.0 |
| 17:54:53 | VERItas | so can i just force the bitch to install? |
| 17:55:00 | VERItas | make her work. |
| 17:55:00 | kergoth | VERItas: stupid packaging. email the package maintainer and tell them not to depend on a certain version |
| 17:55:04 | kergoth | VERItas: yes, -force-depends |
| 17:55:05 | egv | neale: well, since I don't know what 'everything' is, it'd sure be nice if it told me what it's version of 'everything' is... |
| 17:55:11 | VERItas | ok. then thats it. |
| 17:55:16 | neale | heh |
| 17:55:17 | noda | kergoth: Hey, does the boot logo at least look good now? i.e., the light comes on before it does the animation? |
| 17:55:19 | kergoth | VERItas: i need to make that one an FAQ |
| 17:55:20 | egv | neale: but, I suspect you're right |
| 17:55:28 | chouimat | egv: searching what on Sandisk? |
| 17:55:29 | kergoth | noda: well, i dunno, it doesnt BOOT |
| 17:55:31 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:55:32 | neale | egv: it means 8" floppies. |
| 17:55:32 | VERItas | yup. |
| 17:55:38 | noda | kergoth: rofl, damn :P |
| 17:55:47 | VERItas | should make a more complete network setup faq. |
| 17:56:02 | chouimat | hmmm 8" floppies still have some of them here |
| 17:56:04 | kergoth | VERItas: starting writing it :P |
| 17:56:04 | egv | chouimat: looking for CF card readers and stumbled across the "SanDisk ImageMat 6:1 Reader Writer" |
| 17:56:06 | noda | gets annoyed at TheMasterMind1's fanatical use of <p>'s... |
| 17:56:10 | noda | :) |
| 17:56:22 | chouimat | egv: I have the SDDR-73 here |
| 17:56:27 | neale | 6:1 reader writer? |
| 17:56:33 | neale | every 6 reads you have to do a write? |
| 17:56:38 | VERItas | bahh i hate the <p> tag. |
| 17:56:41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:56:57 | noda | <p> is great, but it's a *special-case* block-level element. Not synonymous to a <div> :) |
| 17:57:16 | chouimat | hates html |
| 17:57:18 | VERItas | installing mysql. |
| 17:57:20 | egv | chouimat: yeah, noda recommended that one, too. but, I'm torn between the SDDR-73 and SDDR-75 - I've got an mp3 player that uses SmartMedia, I've got CF cards, but I don't have any MMC/SD cards yet. can't decide. |
| 17:57:23 | VERItas | likes php |
| 17:57:23 | kergoth | agrees with chouimat |
| 17:57:23 | AndyQ | kergoth: doing a build a make on buildroot, did a bk pull, make mrproper then a make. It got as far as patching the wireless stuff and then stopped with some error (which it didn't tell me what) - any ideas to find out what I fucked up? - if I do a make it asks me about repatching each damn package |
| 17:57:42 | chouimat | egv: so get the 6-in-1 |
| 17:57:48 | neale | egv: just get a CF reader then, and use the Z to read your MMC cards. |
| 17:57:50 | kergoth | AndyQ: repatching what package? |
| 17:57:51 | noda | chouimat: Ah, but XHTML-1.0 Strict is different! :) |
| 17:58:07 | noda | It's very XML-ish :P |
| 17:58:09 | chouimat | prefers latex |
| 17:58:18 | VERItas | prefers lambskin |
| 17:58:19 | noda | Never learned latex :( |
| 17:58:30 | kergoth | i like docbook |
| 17:58:30 | AndyQ | kergoth: sorry, not package I meant file - every damn file it patched earlier |
| 17:58:31 | egv | chouimat: that's what I was thinking, but I was just bitching because the 6-in-1 doesn't mention which 6 formats it happens to read/write ;) |
| 17:58:31 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:58:32 | neale | noda: LaTeX is worth learning. |
| 17:58:40 | cranch | LOL at VERItas |
| 17:58:45 | beattie | lambskin don't stop virii |
| 17:58:47 | kergoth | AndyQ: what file? file in what package? whats it extracting at thte time? |
| 17:58:51 | VERItas | just a joke. |
| 17:58:57 | VERItas | i don't use condoms anyways. |
| 17:59:10 | VERItas | girlfriend is on the pill. |
| 17:59:11 | chouimat | egv: CF, MMC/SD, Smartmedia, Memory stick, microdrive |
| 17:59:24 | noda | kergoth: docbook and xhtml are kinda the same (if you write good xhtml) :) |
| 17:59:25 | AndyQ | kergoth: the last file patched was drivers/net/wireless/prism2_wlan.h |
| 17:59:34 | egv | chouimat: oh. where'd you find that info? |
| 17:59:35 | neale | the pill is ruthless |
| 17:59:43 | kergoth | AndyQ: you sure you've bk pull'd recently? it failed applying a kernel patch |
| 17:59:49 | noda | The pill isn't a guarantee :) |
| 17:59:58 | chouimat | egv: Dazzle have one |
| 17:59:58 | noda | had about twenty sex ed videos in high school... |
| 18:00:04 | AndyQ | kergoth: bk pull say nothing to pull |
| 18:00:13 | neale | <noda> ...in my closet! |
| 18:00:14 | egv | chouimat: ahh. cool, thx |
| 18:00:19 | VERItas | bahh. fuck mysql |
| 18:00:24 | noda | lol |
| 18:00:39 | kergoth | no shit the pill isnt a guarantee, been there done that |
| 18:00:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:00:46 | noda | VERItas: What's wrong with mysql? :) |
| 18:00:53 | VERItas | this isn't installing. has anyone got the ipk version of mysql running? |
| 18:01:12 | beattie | anin't no guarantee's in this world |
| 18:01:17 | neale | gah man, what are you doing with a relational database on a PDA? |
| 18:01:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:01:26 | kergoth | use sqlite |
| 18:01:26 | VERItas | writing html |
| 18:01:29 | noda | neale: What are YOU doing WITHOUT an RDBMS on your PDA? |
| 18:01:31 | kergoth | sqlite is spiffy |
| 18:01:40 | neale | noda: playing tetris. |
| 18:01:47 | noda | neale: lol, me too :P |
| 18:01:50 | kergoth | tetris sucks on the Z |
| 18:01:50 | VERItas | can you use sqlite with the mysql functions in php? |
| 18:01:52 | kergoth | fucking thing |
| 18:01:56 | kergoth | i need a fucing high score |
| 18:02:06 | noda | VERItas: No, there's an sqlite module for php though. |
| 18:02:11 | kergoth | VERItas: not out of the box, theres a module for it |
| 18:02:13 | kergoth | heh :) |
| 18:02:36 | VERItas | where do i aquire sqlite? |
| 18:02:42 | neale | I want to be the first guy to get RAID working on the Z. |
| 18:02:47 | | PySQLite 0.3.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=481 |
| 18:02:48 | | SQLite 2.7.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=302 |
| 18:02:48 | kergoth | ibot: search zsi for sqlite |
| 18:02:50 | noda | http://www.google.com/search?q=sqlite |
| 18:02:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:03:06 | | thanks kergoth :) |
| 18:03:06 | kergoth | ibot: botsnack |
| 18:03:17 | egv | lol |
| 18:03:30 | cbok | morning folks.. |
| 18:03:35 | | egv: what? |
| 18:03:35 | egv | ibot rules ;) |
| 18:03:43 | egv | er... heh |
| 18:03:49 | VERItas | tieeete |
| 18:03:50 | | :) |
| 18:03:50 | neale | you rule, ibot. |
| 18:03:59 | | and don't you forget it |
| 18:03:59 | AndyQ | ibot knows all |
| 18:04:08 | | If you got $5 I'll do more than that! |
| 18:04:08 | kergoth | ibot sucks |
| 18:04:16 | AndyQ | heh |
| 18:04:19 | bipolar | lol |
| 18:04:22 | | AndyQ: huh? |
| 18:04:22 | AndyQ | ibot rocks |
| 18:04:26 | bipolar | haha |
| 18:04:36 | | VERItas: i'm not following you... |
| 18:04:36 | VERItas | ibot has herpes ! |
| 18:04:36 | | hmmm... dick is male genatalia, or Dessimat0r |
| 18:04:36 | Dessimat0r | ibot dick |
| 18:04:48 | | OK, bipolar. |
| 18:04:48 | bipolar | ibot: rocks is <reply> no I dont |
| 18:04:55 | | no I dont |
| 18:04:55 | bipolar | ibot rocks |
| 18:04:59 | bipolar | heh |
| 18:05:20 | bipolar | why the hell is it so much fun to abuse a irc bot? |
| 18:05:36 | | Quick, sing me the BUDAPEST NATIONAL ANTHEM!! |
| 18:05:36 | chouimat | ibot: be zippy |
| 18:05:51 | | you bet ibot's perl modules I do! |
| 18:05:51 | scanline | ibot rocks! |
| 18:05:56 | scanline | gah |
| 18:06:05 | | OK, scanline |
| 18:06:05 | scanline | ibot: rocks =~ s/ibot's/your/ |
| 18:06:39 | bipolar | we need an ibot chanel just to abuse him in. |
| 18:06:46 | scanline | there's /msg |
| 18:07:02 | | OK, Dessimat0r. |
| 18:07:02 | Dessimat0r | ibot Neon Genesis Evangelion is the best anime ever made |
| 18:07:08 | bipolar | scanline: I cant program him with /msg though.... |
| 18:07:08 | cbok | alright kergoth |
| 18:07:43 | | i think Neon Genesis Evangelion is the best anime ever made |
| 18:07:43 | Dessimat0r | ibot Neon Genesis Evangelion |
| 18:07:49 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 18:10:26 | kergoth | cbok: alright what? |
| 18:10:31 | egv | prepares to descend into the hell that are sequence diagrams... ugh |
| 18:11:35 | egv | what's up with all the netsplits lately? |
| 18:11:59 | neale | so hey, I have a convenient network config script that you can drop into a debian box to get it workin' with a Z |
| 18:12:05 | neale | should I FAQ that? |
| 18:12:08 | kergoth | script? |
| 18:12:14 | kergoth | i echo a couple lines into my interfaces file |
| 18:12:15 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:12:20 | kergoth | then let hotplug bring it up |
| 18:12:23 | neale | /etc/network/if-up.d/50zaurus |
| 18:12:23 | kergoth | hugs hotplug |
| 18:12:26 | neale | I mean |
| 18:12:29 | neale | for masquerading |
| 18:12:29 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:12:31 | kergoth | iptables? |
| 18:12:32 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:12:34 | neale | yes |
| 18:12:34 | kergoth | faq it |
| 18:12:38 | neale | okie dokie |
| 18:12:43 | kergoth | actually, you may want to mention it to ben meyer |
| 18:12:50 | neale | is he on here? |
| 18:12:52 | kergoth | i emailed him the debian specific usbdnet setup steps |
| 18:12:57 | kergoth | he'll probably do a howto for it |
| 18:13:00 | kergoth | and itd be good to have that in it |
| 18:13:06 | neale | okay |
| 18:13:09 | kergoth | check in #zuaurs |
| 18:13:12 | kergoth | zaurus too |
| 18:13:13 | neale | will do |
| 18:13:20 | neale | I'll check both, then ;) |
| 18:13:21 | noda | accuses kergoth of not closing his tags in his latest FAQ submission :) |
| 18:13:36 | kergoth | noda: yeah yeah, i know :) |
| 18:13:49 | kergoth | noda: i almost did that in the overview update too but i caught myself :) |
| 18:14:41 | noda | kergoth: btw, did you notice that it auto-adds your name and email when you submit a faq? :) |
| 18:15:10 | kergoth | noda: sweet, i didntnotice :) |
| 18:15:12 | kergoth | ARGH! |
| 18:15:16 | kergoth | my z still wont turn on |
| 18:15:25 | kergoth | grabs a known working initrd.bin and zImage |
| 18:15:26 | egv | thinks that's not a good sign |
| 18:15:35 | noda | kergoth: Oh, I think you didn't log in before submitting :) |
| 18:18:59 | noda | kergoth: Anyway, if you log in before submitting it auto-fills the submitter field :P |
| 18:19:56 | noda | Oh, I know what I have to do. Major cleanup - have to run htmlentities() on on faq.question, which means a (much-needed) rewrite of db_print_table()... |
| 18:20:35 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Moo :) |
| 18:21:31 | noda | starts fixing stuff. |
| 18:23:47 | VERItas | man. i can't get anything to install on oz. |
| 18:24:07 | kergoth | VERItas: ? |
| 18:24:10 | VERItas | failed to link. failed to link failed to link. failed to link. |
| 18:24:18 | kergoth | harmless |
| 18:24:25 | kergoth | itll work fine |
| 18:24:48 | andyq__ | kergoth: still getting error make[2]: *** [/home/andy/buildroot-oz/stamps/.kernel-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228.sourcetree] Error 1 |
| 18:24:49 | VERItas | but it doesn't install. |
| 18:25:02 | kergoth | andyq__: that doesnt tell me anything. need errors farther up |
| 18:25:08 | kergoth | andyq__: bk pull btw, slight change |
| 18:25:26 | VERItas | it wont even install konqueror. |
| 18:25:35 | VERItas | or and opie theme. |
| 18:25:40 | kergoth | huh? |
| 18:25:41 | kergoth | dood |
| 18:25:47 | kergoth | link errors != package install failure |
| 18:25:55 | VERItas | thats what it says. |
| 18:26:05 | kergoth | you're not listening |
| 18:26:07 | kergoth | i dont give a shit what it says |
| 18:26:12 | kergoth | link failure is not package install failure |
| 18:26:13 | andyq__ | kergoth: k |
| 18:26:28 | andyq__ | kergoth: shall I quickly remove the staus=failure message from aqpkg? |
| 18:26:36 | VERItas | do i have to start konq from the command line then? |
| 18:26:46 | kergoth | andyq__: hehe, your call :) |
| 18:26:51 | kergoth | VERItas: no. |
| 18:26:56 | kergoth | VERItas: theres something flaky with the konq ipk. |
| 18:27:02 | kergoth | VERItas: everything else will work fine |
| 18:27:16 | AndyQ | kergoth: it may reduce a few 'package has failed to install' questions |
| 18:27:41 | VERItas | so far pretty much everything i've tried to install has crapped out and not installed. |
| 18:28:05 | kergoth | AndyQ: indeed. hmm. i'd say set status to failure only if the callout to ipkg fails, not necessarily if the link fails. perhaps you should say something seperate like "package install: success .. package link to root: failure" |
| 18:28:11 | kergoth | VERItas: dood |
| 18:28:14 | kergoth | VERItas: you're not fucking lsitening |
| 18:28:21 | VERItas | it installs but doesn't run. |
| 18:28:24 | kergoth | VERItas: status=failure does NOT mean it failed to install if it was a link failure |
| 18:28:39 | kergoth | VERItas: 'doesnt run' tells me nothing. what else did you install? |
| 18:28:52 | kergoth | other than konq i mean |
| 18:28:57 | kergoth | konq wont even appear in your launcher |
| 18:29:12 | VERItas | it wont? |
| 18:29:18 | kergoth | no, the package is fucked up |
| 18:29:21 | kergoth | like i said about 10 lines ago |
| 18:29:22 | AndyQ | kergoth: currently the status relates only to the ipkg process and I search for strings to know if it failed or worked. Trouble is these damn strings keep changing or I don't have a definitive list of them |
| 18:29:33 | kergoth | AndyQ: geh, what a pain |
| 18:29:40 | VERItas | wehre can i get the opera ipkg? |
| 18:29:42 | cbok | looks around the the 3.0 release |
| 18:29:47 | VERItas | or does sharp give taht out? |
| 18:29:48 | AndyQ | kergoth: yup |
| 18:29:56 | kergoth | VERItas: you can create one from the sharp rom |
| 18:29:59 | | CrozzWord 1.3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=190 |
| 18:30:00 | | Hancom_Creator 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=279 |
| 18:30:01 | | JeodCreator 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=521 |
| 18:30:02 | | 3 of 4 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=creator |
| 18:30:02 | kergoth | ibot search zsi for creator |
| 18:30:18 | | Bochs 1.4.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=656 |
| 18:30:19 | | bookmark_starter 0.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=335 |
| 18:30:20 | | C-Kermit 8.0.201 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=418 |
| 18:30:21 | | 3 of 14 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=opera |
| 18:30:21 | kergoth | ibot search zsi for opera |
| 18:30:21 | cbok | Veritas - why are you being such a pain? |
| 18:30:26 | kergoth | geh i know its out there somewhere |
| 18:30:32 | VERItas | cause i just stopped smoking. |
| 18:30:41 | VERItas | and i'm very easily frustrated. |
| 18:30:48 | cbok | ok, well, like i told you yesterday |
| 18:30:53 | kergoth | i'll fix the konq ipk in a few, i havent had time to test |
| 18:30:57 | VERItas | and the faq's don't help too much. |
| 18:30:57 | kergoth | i'm at work atm |
| 18:30:57 | cbok | a) go read some stuff |
| 18:31:04 | cbok | b) dont bother kergoth, he's busy |
| 18:31:11 | cbok | c) read the mailing lists and message boards |
| 18:31:22 | kergoth | well, nobody uses the OZ lists yet |
| 18:31:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:31:26 | cbok | d) go smoke some green leafy stuff |
| 18:31:33 | VERItas | yeh. i'm on it. |
| 18:31:35 | cbok | kergoth - shut up> :) |
| 18:31:43 | kergoth | goes back to beating his Z into booting |
| 18:32:06 | cbok | veritas - good, then sit down, put a cork in it, and be patient |
| 18:32:20 | VERItas | i think i'm just going to switch back to the sharp rom till oz stops being a pain in the ass. |
| 18:32:26 | chouimat | hmmm weed |
| 18:32:44 | kergoth | VERItas: huh? |
| 18:32:47 | kergoth | VERItas: its not *released* |
| 18:32:47 | cranch | no luck yet kergoth? |
| 18:32:50 | kergoth | VERItas: whatd you expect? |
| 18:32:52 | cbok | veritas - if that shuts you up |
| 18:32:53 | cbok | please |
| 18:33:07 | kergoth | people fucking using a beta product |
| 18:33:17 | kergoth | and then get pissed when it doesnt cook their breakfast for them |
| 18:33:20 | cbok | kergoth - ignore the putz |
| 18:33:21 | noda | VERItas: Do whatever you want, notice that nobody here really cares if you use Sharp as long as you shut up :) |
| 18:33:22 | cbok | : |
| 18:33:31 | VERItas | figured it would actually work. and i didn't get pissed. |
| 18:33:34 | bipolar | lol |
| 18:33:42 | cbok | ./kick |
| 18:33:45 | kergoth | VERItas: i'm not responsible for your assumptions |
| 18:33:47 | cbok | its a wonderful command |
| 18:33:50 | cbok | oh, and +i |
| 18:33:51 | bipolar | poor VERItas |
| 18:33:52 | scanline | /usr/local/sbin/kick |
| 18:34:03 | VERItas | jeeze guys. |
| 18:34:18 | kergoth | VERItas: the konq package will be fixed, if you arent willing to wait for fixes, dont use something that isnt released |
| 18:34:19 | cbok | veritas - you started it you dimwit |
| 18:34:22 | kergoth | otherwise just wait |
| 18:34:23 | scanline | cbok: you wouldn't keep important binaries like that in the current directory, eh? |
| 18:34:28 | VERItas | go smoke some of that weed. if you want me to stop asking questions just ask. |
| 18:34:29 | cbok | veritas - in fact, you started it yesterday |
| 18:34:36 | VERItas | you don't have to be an asshole. |
| 18:34:39 | noda | VERItas: Please stop asking questions. |
| 18:34:51 | cbok | bends over and moons veritas |
| 18:34:59 | cbok | there's my asshole |
| 18:35:12 | kergoth | smacks cbok with a book on nettiquite |
| 18:35:28 | VERItas | sorry i thought people in this community would actually want to help somone who didn't entirely understand something. |
| 18:35:44 | cbok | kergoth - hye now. |
| 18:35:53 | noda | cbok: Check out RFC1855 :) |
| 18:36:00 | cbok | kergoth - i get to moon the clueless |
| 18:36:11 | cbok | kergoth - been doin' that since '92 in #Unix on efnet |
| 18:36:13 | cbok | : |
| 18:36:13 | neale | They've been pretty helpful to me... |
| 18:36:15 | ljp_work | veritas: most people are willing to help |
| 18:36:15 | cbok | :-) |
| 18:36:29 | cbok | veritas - its all on how you go about asking for help |
| 18:36:31 | noda | VERItas: You're unlucky, it seems :) |
| 18:36:32 | AndyQ | VERItas: people here are pretty friendly and helpful but you do need to listen and help yourself a little |
| 18:36:37 | neale | You just have to pay attention and do some legwork on your own. |
| 18:37:09 | cbok | hands kergoth a broom and dustpan to sweep VERItas off the floor with |
| 18:37:31 | kergoth | OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | It sucks less! (tm) | Today's channel brought to you by the letter 'bastard' | Ask ibot about 'oz prerelease' | OpenZaurus 3.0 coming very soon! | Developers help those who help themselves. |
| 18:37:40 | kergoth | HEH |
| 18:37:46 | VERItas | oz doesn't seem to be very documented ad people just keep directing me to a stupid faq that doesn't say anything or a bunch of other places without any information. |
| 18:38:25 | kergoth | VERItas: ? www.openzaurus.org. theres no information in the faq? |
| 18:38:27 | kergoth | thats funny |
| 18:38:31 | kergoth | i remember submitting faqs |
| 18:38:35 | kergoth | not many, but some |
| 18:38:37 | cbok | hands VERItas some tissue and www.zauruszone.com |
| 18:38:37 | VERItas | it's really not that helpful. |
| 18:38:37 | cranch | VERItas: what are you having problems with? |
| 18:38:38 | AndyQ | hides behind a bit asbestos wall |
| 18:39:03 | cbok | there are *so many* resources |
| 18:39:04 | kergoth | cranch: 'it doesnt work' |
| 18:39:19 | cbok | like everyone has said, a little legwork |
| 18:39:23 | VERItas | networking. i don't know where i get dns servers that will make it work. |
| 18:39:26 | cbok | all the answers wont be in ONE PLACE. |
| 18:39:29 | VERItas | i just don't know where to start. |
| 18:39:32 | cbok | *Sigh* |
| 18:39:45 | cbok | have you done a google.com search on public dns server? |
| 18:39:51 | kergoth | VERItas: I told you two days ago, assuming you're using internet conenction sharing, run ipconfig /all |
| 18:40:03 | kergoth | VERItas: and a book on basic networking would be a good idea |
| 18:40:04 | VERItas | yeh. i put those in and it didn't work. |
| 18:40:06 | cbok | have you asked whomever is providing you with your network address space for their primary name servers/ |
| 18:40:13 | myuu | hey again |
| 18:40:13 | kergoth | 'it didnt work' tells me *nothing* |
| 18:40:14 | cbok | have you done any of this? |
| 18:40:17 | kergoth | i am *not* a mind reader |
| 18:40:23 | VERItas | i didn't do anything. |
| 18:40:28 | VERItas | couldn't resolve dns. |
| 18:40:31 | NetNut404_Work | is there a good enviroment script for xcompile so you can just run a standard configure, and make etc and it will work because all the enviroment variales are set appropriatley? |
| 18:40:38 | kergoth | VERItas: can you ping the dns servers? |
| 18:40:41 | kergoth | VERItas: can you ping your desktop? |
| 18:40:44 | kergoth | VERItas: is internet conneciton sharing enabled? |
| 18:40:46 | kergoth | VERItas: what OS? |
| 18:40:51 | VERItas | i cna't ping anything but the desktop |
| 18:40:51 | kergoth | VERItas: using dhcp on the desktop? |
| 18:40:54 | kergoth | throw me a damn bone here |
| 18:40:55 | VERItas | winxp. |
| 18:41:01 | kergoth | and is internet connection sharing enabled? |
| 18:41:04 | VERItas | i don't know how to enable dchp. |
| 18:41:05 | kergoth | properly? |
| 18:41:05 | VERItas | yes. |
| 18:41:13 | cbok | watches kergoth turn deep orange-red |
| 18:41:18 | kergoth | dood |
| 18:41:19 | VERItas | i clicked the little box that says enable connection sharing. |
| 18:41:27 | kergoth | points VERItas to the zauruszone howtos |
| 18:41:31 | kergoth | this is *not* OZ specific |
| 18:41:36 | kergoth | this is the same exact situation you'd see with sharp |
| 18:41:39 | kergoth | so go back if you'd like |
| 18:41:45 | cbok | VERItas: Listen VERY VERY CLOSELY - those topics are covered on www.zauruszone.com |
| 18:41:52 | VERItas | it worked fine in th esharp rom. |
| 18:41:54 | cbok | VERItas: so a search on the message boards |
| 18:41:55 | kergoth | a lack of networking ability and an inability to follow the howto is not my responsibility |
| 18:42:04 | kergoth | VERItas: did you set the gateway? |
| 18:42:08 | kergoth | VERItas: in networksetup? in usbd0? |
| 18:42:08 | myuu | 0_0 |
| 18:42:12 | cbok | VERItas: you *will* find the answers |
| 18:42:17 | cbok | other have had these problems |
| 18:42:21 | cbok | and fixed them with out bitching in here |
| 18:42:40 | VERItas | i'm not bitching. you are just being an asshole when i ask questions. |
| 18:42:40 | neale | sounds like you don't have IP masquerading set up |
| 18:42:42 | AndyQ | VERItas: Also, a very good helping guide is the unofficial OZ FAQ (find it on google can't remember the url) |
| 18:43:12 | neale | if you can ping the desktop but nowhere past there, that's likely the problem. |
| 18:43:13 | Ghent19 | ok, im thinking the oz install may have a problem with the PNY 128M flash. Both sharp roms and Crow work great on it, but OZ does not.. |
| 18:43:15 | VERItas | when all you had to do is point me somewhere with information. actually you didn't even have to do that. you could have just asked me to stop. |
| 18:43:24 | myuu | argh...battery...later...have fun kergoth |
| 18:43:28 | cbok | VERItas: I'm being an 'asshole' because we have all told you where to search |
| 18:43:44 | cbok | VERItas: what to read... |
| 18:43:50 | VERItas | now you have. |
| 18:44:08 | cbok | VERItas: If those things don't help you, I'm more than happy to sit down, take time out of my work day, and assist you. |
| 18:44:17 | cbok | as are most of the folks in here |
| 18:44:31 | cbok | looks around for the "yes" nod.. |
| 18:44:37 | neale | nods |
| 18:44:39 | VERItas | i never said you had to. |
| 18:44:42 | AndyQ | nods |
| 18:45:17 | cbok | goes back to ethically hacking a website |
| 18:45:23 | NetNut404_Work | VERItas: I had some issues at first with my Z on XP as well.. I was running ifconfig commands to set the routes for the longest time |
| 18:45:28 | neale | however, most of us have better things to do than trying to mollify belligerent people. |
| 18:46:51 | VERItas | i wasn't being belligerent, i just didn't understand. |
| 18:47:46 | AndyQ | kergoth: getting away from the bunfight, just cleaned buildroot, bk pulled, made clean and made mrproper (just to be certain), re-make'd and chucked the output to a file. searched through and found no error messages at all but the build still stopped at the same place (doing /home/andy/buildroot-oz/packages/kernel/linuxpatching file drivers/net/wireless/prism2_wlan.h)-prism2.patch - after |
| 18:48:03 | NetNut404_Work | is there a good walk though on what to do co cross compiles something for the Z after folowing the steps on ibot's xcompile ? |
| 18:48:42 | AndyQ | kergoth: did you get my prev message or did you die before you recieved it? |
| 18:49:08 | kergoth | AndyQ: i think i died before i got it |
| 18:49:12 | AndyQ | kergoth: getting away from the bunfight, just cleaned buildroot, bk pulled, made clean and made mrproper (just to be certain), re-make'd and chucked the output to a file. searched through and found no error messages at all but the build still stopped at the same place (doing /home/andy/buildroot-oz/packages/kernel/linuxpatching file drivers/net/wireless/prism2_wlan.h)-prism2.patch - after |
| 18:49:32 | Ghent19 | ok, im thinking the oz install may have a problem with the PNY 128M flash. Both sharp roms and Crow work great on it, but OZ does not.. |
| 18:49:38 | kergoth | AndyQ: make mrproper; make 2>&1 | tee log |
| 18:49:46 | NetNut404_Work | has several apps that he want's to cross compile, but is missing some invornment stuff |
| 18:49:49 | kergoth | Ghent19: oz flashes identically, using the same means as any other rom. |
| 18:49:54 | kergoth | Ghent19: quite impossible for it to care |
| 18:49:55 | Ghent19 | kergoth:i know |
| 18:50:12 | Ghent19 | kergoth, yet crow and sharp flash, and it doesnt... md5s checkd out |
| 18:50:24 | kergoth | well, its impossbiel for it to matter |
| 18:50:27 | kergoth | cf updater does the work |
| 18:50:33 | kergoth | it doesnt care *what* it flashes |
| 18:51:04 | Ghent19 | ok, then im totally lost.. oz just dont work on my zaurus |
| 18:51:18 | egv | Ghent19: bad CF card maybe? |
| 18:51:31 | Ghent19 | egv: no, same one is used for crow and sharp |
| 18:51:34 | kergoth | egv: he says he can flash sharp and crow |
| 18:51:41 | Twiun | kergoth: segfault on exitting opie-login... known bug? |
| 18:51:42 | kergoth | and its the *cf updater* doing the work |
| 18:51:46 | kergoth | its not possible for it to care |
| 18:52:04 | kergoth | Twiun: yeah, feel free to check if its in the opie bug tracker though, i dont think i reported it myself |
| 18:52:08 | scanline | maybe there's a bad area on the CF card, and it's corrupting the other roms but not in a noticeable way? |
| 18:52:27 | cbok | Ghent19: When you're pulling the files down, what browser or ftp program are you using? |
| 18:52:40 | Ghent19 | scanline: i did a thourough check on cf when it was formatted. mkdosfs didnt pick any thing up |
| 18:52:53 | Ghent19 | cbok: mozilla |
| 18:52:57 | Twiun | kergoth: cool - I'm happy so far - when your bug entry says no ^C in console... you're talking about the raw console, right - not the Terminal? |
| 18:53:04 | kergoth | Twiun: yeah, raw console |
| 18:53:09 | cbok | Ghent19: You need to ensure that: bootflag.txt is a text file, zImage-whateveritis is a binary and initrd.bin is a binary |
| 18:53:17 | Ghent19 | they are |
| 18:53:26 | cbok | what os? |
| 18:53:36 | Ghent19 | tried in gentoo and winxp |
| 18:53:36 | Twiun | kergoth: Right then... I'd best be off to the opie bug list... doesn't work in the Terminal either ;-) |
| 18:54:03 | cbok | Ghent19 - I'd bet that zImage-whatevernumber isn't being saved as binary |
| 18:54:30 | Ghent19 | hmm |
| 18:54:49 | kergoth | Ghent19: whats the behavior? |
| 18:54:51 | kergoth | Ghent19: flashing lights? |
| 18:54:55 | kergoth | Ghent19: solid but doesnt turn on? |
| 18:55:00 | kergoth | Ghent19: turns on but hangs after the logo? |
| 18:55:06 | kergoth | Ghent19: turns on but sharp logo? |
| 18:55:46 | Ghent19 | kergoth: it looks like its flashing, both leds on.... but it never quits... left it over an hour once |
| 18:55:59 | kergoth | corrupt image or screwy card |
| 18:56:05 | neale | are they solid or flashing? |
| 18:56:09 | Ghent19 | solid |
| 18:56:13 | kergoth | try flashing just zImage, or just intird.bin |
| 18:56:15 | kergoth | initrd.bin |
| 18:56:20 | kergoth | you can remove one and falsh them independently |
| 18:56:24 | neale | that's wacky. |
| 18:56:38 | Ghent19 | k, ill Re-DL again |
| 18:56:46 | kergoth | Ghent19: try just kernel, then just initrd.bin |
| 18:56:50 | Ghent19 | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ is newest right? |
| 18:56:51 | kergoth | see where the behavior happens |
| 18:56:53 | kergoth | yeah, for now |
| 18:58:56 | AndyQ | kergoth: Ahha - found the error - /home/andy/buildroot-oz/packages/kernel/linux-colliefb.patch not found |
| 18:59:10 | kergoth | AndyQ: bk -r co -q |
| 18:59:12 | kergoth | AndyQ: amke |
| 18:59:13 | kergoth | AndyQ: make |
| 18:59:59 | egv | bk is just a source repository, right? |
| 19:00:14 | Ghent19 | ok, just started kernel alon |
| 19:00:16 | Ghent19 | e |
| 19:01:24 | kergoth | egv: its like cvs, rcs, any other source control system |
| 19:01:26 | AndyQ | kergoth: any way (apart from a make mrproper) to stop it telling me a patch already exists and prompting me to assume -r? |
| 19:01:54 | egv | kergoth: k, that's what I thought. so why use both cvs and bk at the same time? |
| 19:01:55 | AndyQ | kergoth: -R |
| 19:01:58 | kergoth | AndyQ: make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel clean-sourcetrees; make SUBDRIS=packages/kernel; |
| 19:02:02 | kergoth | egv: we dont. |
| 19:02:19 | egv | kergoth: wait... so you use only bk, but not cvs? |
| 19:02:20 | noda | egv: bk is very VERY powerful, but proprietery. Some people are unable to use bk's free license. |
| 19:02:22 | AndyQ | kergoth: cheers |
| 19:02:28 | kergoth | egv: yes |
| 19:02:34 | scanline | PicoBot: bitkeeper? |
| 19:02:34 | PicoBot | i haven't a clue, scanline |
| 19:02:37 | noda | So the bk tree is cloned to CVS. |
| 19:02:42 | scanline | err,, |
| 19:02:43 | kergoth | egv: and the buildroot, which resides in bk, obtains the sources to every package it needs by whatever means |
| 19:02:46 | | it has been said that bitkeeper is at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ or at http://www.bitmover.com/ or hosted trees at http://www.bkbits.net/ or like cvs and subversion, but its non-opensource.. but its really good, even linus uses it to develop the kernel! |
| 19:02:46 | scanline | ibot: bitkeeper? |
| 19:02:46 | kergoth | noda: no |
| 19:02:48 | kergoth | noda: our cvs repos is dead |
| 19:02:56 | noda | kergoth: Oh, really? That's a shame... |
| 19:03:01 | kergoth | noda: we're relying on the snapshots for those people now |
| 19:03:02 | | oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile my own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 19:03:02 | scanline | ibot: oz snapshot? |
| 19:03:05 | kergoth | keeping bk and cvs in sync was a bitch |
| 19:03:10 | noda | Ick :) |
| 19:03:18 | | That doesn't contain 'my own', scanline |
| 19:03:18 | scanline | ibot: oz snapshot =~ s/my own/your own/ |
| 19:03:26 | noda | kergoth: If svn gets to be almost as powerful as bk but not quite, will you consider switching? |
| 19:03:31 | egv | kergoth: ohhh... *the mist clears* I though oz was using both and was trying to figure out why ;) |
| 19:03:33 | scanline | hmm |
| 19:03:45 | AndyQ | kergoth: thanks - thats got it - what did the bk -r co -q do? |
| 19:03:50 | kergoth | egv: nah, all that resides in bk is a bunch of makefiles and patches. everything else we get from their upstream sources |
| 19:03:55 | noda | check out a local copy quietly. |
| 19:04:03 | noda | (and recursively) |
| 19:04:06 | kergoth | AndyQ: your local bk tree is a *repository* in and of itself. co checks the files out of your local repos |
| 19:04:09 | kergoth | yeap |
| 19:04:15 | AndyQ | noda: I thought bk pull did that? |
| 19:04:19 | kergoth | no |
| 19:04:26 | kergoth | bk pull is like tarring up the remote cvs repostitory |
| 19:04:28 | noda | I'm no CVS expert. |
| 19:04:29 | kergoth | including previous versions |
| 19:04:31 | noda | er, bk |
| 19:04:32 | kergoth | history |
| 19:04:34 | kergoth | the whole deal |
| 19:04:51 | kergoth | bk co is like cvs co |
| 19:04:59 | kergoth | bk pull is like tarring up the cvs repository and downloading it |
| 19:05:04 | AndyQ | so when I do an update, I do a bk pull then a bk -r co -o then a make mrproper then a make |
| 19:05:24 | cbok | hands noda the "CVS for Dummies" book.. |
| 19:05:24 | kergoth | assuming you want to wipe everything |
| 19:05:25 | cbok | runs |
| 19:05:27 | kergoth | i never wipe my whole tree |
| 19:05:29 | Ghent19 | ok, looks like it is the kernel thats messing things up.... been flashing 8min now, still hasnt finished |
| 19:05:30 | kergoth | glibc and opie take too long to compile |
| 19:05:41 | kergoth | Ghent19: checked the md5sum? |
| 19:05:47 | Ghent19 | yeah |
| 19:05:55 | noda | Ghent19: Wait another 5 min - for TheMasterMind1 it takes 12 minutes. |
| 19:06:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:06:08 | kergoth | thats weird |
| 19:06:10 | AndyQ | will remember to take a copy of todays log as well for future reference |
| 19:06:17 | NetNut404_Work | how do you setup the environment for cross-compiling like they do at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml when using ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 ? |
| 19:06:19 | kergoth | mine flashes in 15-30 seconds for the kernel, 3 minutes for the whole deal |
| 19:06:25 | | xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) or ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-3.2.tar.bz2 |
| 19:06:25 | noda | ibot xcompile |
| 19:06:29 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: you dont need that environment |
| 19:06:43 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: all you need is to add it to your path and set CC LD etc, like i told you yesterday |
| 19:06:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:06:48 | noda | kergoth: Mine too :) |
| 19:06:52 | AndyQ | kergoth: mine to takes 3 min |
| 19:06:53 | NetNut404_Work | kergoth: but you have to have some invironment right ? |
| 19:06:59 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: for what? |
| 19:07:02 | noda | NetNut404_Work: A terminal... |
| 19:07:16 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: the only reason you need QTDIR and QPEDIR set is to compile opie/qt stuff |
| 19:07:23 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: if you're just crosscopmiling something, you dont need any of that |
| 19:07:54 | cbok | Ghent19 - gimmie an email address where i can send you a GOOD KNOWN copy of zImage |
| 19:08:00 | Ghent19 | hmm, is oz a lot faster than crow hopefully? |
| 19:08:08 | NetNut404_Work | I tried using the CC and LD etc yesterday you specified, and it didn't know what arm-linux was |
| 19:08:27 | Ghent19 | cbok: posthums@packetmites.org |
| 19:08:28 | kergoth | Ghent19: running apps off of a slow card will be slow. running apps off of mtdram will be fast, flash will be faster than cf/sd but slower than mtdram |
| 19:08:32 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: then its buildsystem sucks. |
| 19:08:33 | AndyQ | Ghent9: Couldn't say about Crow (I don't have an SD card) but it seems much faster than the Sharp rom |
| 19:08:37 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: has nothing to do with your environment |
| 19:09:00 | Ghent19 | my sd card must be slow then.. cause sharp blows it away performance wise |
| 19:09:03 | Dessimat0r | cf is as fast as jffs2 or mtdram for me |
| 19:09:11 | kergoth | Ghent19: all sd is slow |
| 19:09:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:09:19 | AndyQ | just cant type worth a damn today |
| 19:09:22 | Ghent19 | trouble is, i use the cf for wireless |
| 19:09:24 | Dessimat0r | except in EXT2 |
| 19:09:25 | kergoth | particularly on the Z where only 1 data line of 4 is used |
| 19:09:27 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 19:09:36 | chouimat | AndyQ: :) |
| 19:09:40 | Ghent19 | kergoth: i read that... |
| 19:10:06 | NetNut404_Work | kergoth: wht does that mean? "buildsystem sucks" |
| 19:10:09 | noda | Bah, sd is fast enough to play movies... |
| 19:10:26 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: the buildsystem of the app you are trying to crosscompile needs a little tender loving care |
| 19:10:29 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: read the makefiles |
| 19:10:47 | kergoth | waits for his kernels to compile |
| 19:10:47 | NetNut404_Work | oh |
| 19:11:09 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: some apps are nearly impossible to crosscompile. depends |
| 19:11:38 | kergoth | shudders at perl's buildsystem again |
| 19:12:28 | AndyQ | I really hate the autoconf/automake - just can't get my head round how that works but I do like tmake/qmake - so simple - I don't want to fuck around with the build just the code |
| 19:14:22 | kergoth | autoconf and automake can be pretty spiffy if used right |
| 19:14:26 | kergoth | unfortunately they're never used right |
| 19:14:27 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:14:39 | kergoth | entry-armv.S:901: Error: Internal_relocation (type 208) not fixed up (IMMEDIATE) |
| 19:14:41 | chouimat | kergoth: m4 sucks |
| 19:14:43 | kergoth | entry-armv.S:948: Error: Internal_relocation (type 210) not fixed up (OFFSET_IMM) |
| 19:14:46 | kergoth | shoots his old ass kernel |
| 19:14:46 | kergoth | chouimat: yes, it does |
| 19:14:57 | AndyQ | probably coz know one really understands how they work properly |
| 19:15:44 | AndyQ | kergoth: I thought only us English used words like spiffy & smashing :) |
| 19:15:56 | aman | kergoth |
| 19:15:57 | AndyQ | not that you used smashing of course.... |
| 19:16:04 | aman | hey guys |
| 19:16:06 | aman | whats new |
| 19:16:38 | Twiun | kergoth's ditched coffee for pure adrenaline... |
| 19:16:48 | egv | heh |
| 19:17:00 | egv | that was a quick visit... |
| 19:17:30 | AndyQ | dripped intraveonusly |
| 19:17:52 | egv | *shudders* I hate needles |
| 19:17:59 | Twiun | right... ok... wtf does my usbd0 interface default to 0.0.0.0 on OZ? |
| 19:18:38 | Dessimat0r | i want some pure caffiene |
| 19:18:57 | datenPUNK | Twiun : isn't the whole network thing a little mit broken? |
| 19:19:12 | egv | Dessimat0r: pure caffine will f*ck your shit up |
| 19:19:13 | Ghent19 | ok, does someone have an ftp where i can grab the kernel-64 image? It is looking like mozilla is fscking it up and dling as a txt |
| 19:19:21 | Twiun | datenPUNK: Ah yes... I remember people bitching about it now |
| 19:19:45 | Dessimat0r | mine takes 3 mins |
| 19:20:08 | Dessimat0r | oops, i had the window scrolled up ;) |
| 19:20:13 | AndyQ | heh |
| 19:20:20 | egv | lol |
| 19:20:29 | kergoth | mmm adrenaline |
| 19:20:34 | kergoth | Twiun: 'ifup usbd0' |
| 19:20:41 | kergoth | networksetup should be working fine right now |
| 19:20:49 | kergoth | i dont know about the versions in the various prereleases, however |
| 19:20:51 | egv | wonders if kergoth's z ever booted |
| 19:21:06 | kergoth | yeah, but not on the kernel i was tesitng |
| 19:21:10 | kergoth | it was screwed |
| 19:21:13 | datenPUNK | kergoth : in the latest prerelease network it doesn't work |
| 19:21:14 | kergoth | so i'm waiting for them all to rebuild |
| 19:21:18 | AndyQ | not good |
| 19:21:23 | kergoth | datenPUNK: 'doesn't work' doesnt tell me much |
| 19:21:33 | | well, oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 19:21:33 | ciaolinux | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 19:22:20 | AndyQ | I reckon before people get to use a computer they should be made to do a day in support - then they'd figure out how useful 'it doesn't work' is :) |
| 19:22:20 | datenPUNK | kergoth: adding a new interface, starting and stopping interfaces |
| 19:22:31 | kergoth | datenPUNK: usb? wireless? what? |
| 19:22:44 | kergoth | datenPUNK: wireless is handled differently than anythign else |
| 19:22:50 | egv | AndyQ: that's just cruel... but not a bad idea ;) |
| 19:22:50 | kergoth | datenPUNK: and you dont need to add an interface |
| 19:23:06 | kergoth | AndyQ: i like that idea :) |
| 19:23:26 | beattie | AndyQ: more like a week |
| 19:23:40 | AndyQ | the worst is my Dad phoning up and saying 'my xxx isn't working - any ideas?' |
| 19:23:56 | beattie | Is it plugged in? |
| 19:24:08 | egv | AndyQ: ugh... tell me about it. I'm the only geek in the family, and everyone bought computers recently. |
| 19:25:02 | AndyQ | don't you just HATE that - even worse is when they do something they know is wrong and screws things up, but rather that stopping and calling, they try to fix it, and fix it, and fix it until its really broken |
| 19:25:12 | kergoth | ugh |
| 19:25:17 | kergoth | people who *think* they know what they are doing |
| 19:25:18 | kergoth | but arent |
| 19:25:24 | kergoth | are the most dangerous |
| 19:25:45 | egv | true that. my other favorite is my mom, who's just barely figured out how to use the mouse... that took weeks |
| 19:26:04 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:26:06 | datenPUNK | kergoth : Network I have a disconnected usbd0 - I choose "Information" to bring it up and it tells me: "no information about a disconnected interface" |
| 19:26:14 | AndyQ | I still the the story which ends with 'pack it up, send it back and tell them your to stupid to own a computer' sums it up completely |
| 19:26:30 | egv | thank the gods I don't live closer to home or I'd be there every freakin' night playing 'tech support' |
| 19:26:32 | datenPUNK | Add/Remove simply doesn't react |
| 19:26:47 | kergoth | datenPUNK: of course theres no information |
| 19:26:47 | kergoth | datenPUNK: that interface only *exists* when you plug it into usb |
| 19:26:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:26:52 | kergoth | datenPUNK: of course it wont |
| 19:26:55 | kergoth | datenPUNK: theres nothing to add yet |
| 19:27:01 | kergoth | datenPUNK: he hasnt done ppp support |
| 19:27:06 | kergoth | and ppp interfaces are the only ones you can add |
| 19:27:21 | kergoth | everything else is driven by *hardware* and will be seen in the list as soon as you plug in the hardware in question |
| 19:29:18 | datenPUNK | kergoth : ok so i was wrong saying broken - sorry it isn't totally finished yet |
| 19:30:04 | kergoth | oh you need ppp functionality? |
| 19:30:10 | kergoth | thats the big missing piece right now |
| 19:30:13 | kergoth | pester benmeyer |
| 19:30:21 | kergoth | you can do ppp now, just not via the gui |
| 19:31:02 | kergoth | Twiun: did you suspend it on the cradle and resume on the cradle? if that happens, the interface wont come up on its own. have to ifup usbd0, then itll work again |
| 19:31:16 | datenPUNK | kergoth : well I would like to connect to my ISP using my mobile phone - I know I can do it on the shell - lazyme |
| 19:31:44 | kergoth | ah, yes, pester benmeyer |
| 19:31:45 | Twiun | kergoth: ifud usbd0 == already configured... |
| 19:31:52 | kergoth | Twiun: ifdown usbd0; ifup usbd0; |
| 19:32:32 | datenPUNK | btw - sometimes (now) my Z simply stucks after I sticked it on the dockingstation |
| 19:32:35 | Twiun | kergoth: interfacednsscript: No such file or directory |
| 19:32:39 | Twiun | kergoth: lol |
| 19:32:52 | kergoth | Twiun: yeah, that script thing is harmless, ben only added the dns script a couple minutes ago :) |
| 19:33:03 | kergoth | for now you ened to edit /etc/resolv.con |
| 19:33:03 | kergoth | f |
| 19:33:15 | Twiun | tears some more hair out |
| 19:33:17 | Twiun | ok |
| 19:33:25 | kergoth | the dns stuff should be fixed cvs, im about to test |
| 19:33:30 | Twiun | grrr... and the damn thing keeps suspending on me ;-) |
| 19:34:03 | kergoth | fuck me |
| 19:34:06 | kergoth | anyone with a working buildroot atm? |
| 19:34:15 | kergoth | I need someone to test a kernel built by a recent buildroot on their Z |
| 19:34:20 | kergoth | cause the ones mine builds make my Z not turn on |
| 19:34:23 | AndyQ | mines just building |
| 19:34:26 | kergoth | bangs haead against desk |
| 19:34:47 | kergoth | AndyQ: kernels built yet? or still going? |
| 19:34:50 | beattie | kergoth: how recent? |
| 19:35:05 | AndyQ | still going - will be a while yet - my linux system is somewhat slow.... |
| 19:35:41 | kergoth | beattie: today, yesterday |
| 19:35:58 | beattie | everything except opie from late night opie this morning |
| 19:36:02 | kergoth | AndyQ: okay, if you could just flash the zImage of your choice alone on your Z thatd be helpful :) |
| 19:36:40 | AndyQ | OK, I shall do as soon as they are built |
| 19:36:56 | AndyQ | is grateful he got a CF reader :) |
| 19:37:22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:37:22 | kergoth | thanks |
| 19:37:35 | kergoth | yeah cf reader is pretty important when testing a kernel that may or may not work :) |
| 19:38:09 | AndyQ | :) - the make I'm doing (SUBDIRS=kernel) builds the zImage right? |
| 19:38:33 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:38:35 | kergoth | output/zImage* |
| 19:38:52 | AndyQ | k - still going......... |
| 19:38:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:39:02 | kergoth | im building them on another machine |
| 19:39:06 | kergoth | in case something is up with that box |
| 19:39:11 | beattie | Just compiled kaffe, need to figure what binaries get installed where any tips |
| 19:39:16 | kergoth | cause i didnt make any changes to the kernel except for a singel line.. |
| 19:39:17 | kergoth | odd |
| 19:39:27 | kergoth | beattie: ask Twiun, he's the java expert |
| 19:39:39 | AndyQ | kergoth: what were all the patches since yesterday? |
| 19:39:45 | Twiun | lol - full circle ;-) |
| 19:39:50 | bipolar | beattie: cool... now all we need is qt/e hooks for it. |
| 19:39:52 | beattie | kergoth: not a java question, more a build question |
| 19:40:05 | Twiun | beattie: did you backport the qtawt bindings? |
| 19:40:19 | beattie | qt/awt is in my sights |
| 19:40:25 | kergoth | AndyQ: since yesterday.. a sdmmc fix, scanline's new antialiased version of hte bootlogo |
| 19:40:36 | bipolar | beattie: I've never used it. How many files are there for a running system? |
| 19:40:47 | Twiun | beattie: now that would be very useful - I could use those with wonka ;-) |
| 19:40:50 | AndyQ | kergoth: could it be scanlines bootlogo stuff? |
| 19:40:53 | beattie | kaffe? not sure |
| 19:41:01 | kergoth | AndyQ: nope, i flashed it yesterday and it worked |
| 19:41:03 | Twiun | beattie: are you building kaffe static? |
| 19:41:06 | kergoth | AndyQ: which is why i'm confused |
| 19:41:10 | AndyQ | kergoth: just a thought |
| 19:41:47 | beattie | Twiun: probably not, just the first pass, need to figure out how to install the binaries |
| 19:41:53 | Twiun | beattie: things should live under /opt/QtPalmtop (/bin, /lib, etc) |
| 19:42:39 | beattie | Twiun: any hints on how to do a fake install or something on the build host? |
| 19:43:04 | AndyQ | kergoth: I've got a load of zImage-5500-xxx files - are one of those the badboys I should flash? and can I just have the zImage on my CF ? |
| 19:43:29 | Twiun | beattie: yeah, make a dir somewhere called opt, then use kaffe's ./configure --prefix option |
| 19:43:38 | kergoth | AndyQ: pick the one you want |
| 19:43:40 | Twiun | beattie: to point to it |
| 19:43:44 | kergoth | AndyQ: its just like flashing oz in the first place |
| 19:43:46 | kergoth | AndyQ: :) |
| 19:44:01 | AndyQ | kergoth: do I need an initrd.bin & bootflag.txt as well? |
| 19:44:06 | kergoth | AndyQ: just drop it on the cf, make sure there is no initrd.bin, otherwise you'll flash the rootfs too |
| 19:44:06 | Twiun | beattie: that way when you do make install it'll go into your dirs, and then you can figure out what's needed |
| 19:44:07 | beattie | Twiun: that won't confuse the executables I hope |
| 19:44:11 | kergoth | AndyQ: unless you want to start over :) |
| 19:44:25 | kergoth | AndyQ: the ramdisk will get wiped in the full reset portion of the flash process though |
| 19:44:43 | Twiun | beattie: not too much with kaffe - otherwise you can just create a QtPalmtop under your /opt dir on the host |
| 19:44:49 | Twiun | beattie: and point prefix to that |
| 19:44:51 | AndyQ | kergoth: ok, just before I flash, my CF card is empty except zImage |
| 19:45:02 | kergoth | k |
| 19:45:05 | kergoth | thats fine |
| 19:45:09 | tux_mike | hrm |
| 19:45:19 | kergoth | now follow flash procedure and tell me if you Z turns on :) |
| 19:46:45 | AndyQ | kergoth: flashing now.... |
| 19:46:52 | kergoth | k, shouldnt take long |
| 19:47:21 | AndyQ | kergoth: nope doesn't turn on for me |
| 19:47:36 | kergoth | AndyQ: argh |
| 19:47:40 | kergoth | thanks |
| 19:47:43 | kergoth | stabs self in the foot |
| 19:47:54 | AndyQ | kergoth: np - just hope it flashes back :) |
| 19:49:17 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 19:49:19 | tux_mike | i'm wondering |
| 19:49:31 | tux_mike | can the swap be used for working ram? |
| 19:49:36 | tux_mike | in linux |
| 19:50:12 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:50:48 | AndyQ | breaths sigh of release after flashing back and it works again |
| 19:50:55 | Twiun | ok... last hurdle... "421 Service not available..." but: PC on 129.1 and Z on 129.201 |
| 19:51:34 | tux_mike | well, i was just thinking, you know how you can dynamically resize ram in a PPC? well, if swap acts the same as ram, we could do something similar on the Z, just rezise a swap file in the ramdisk upon change :) |
| 19:53:07 | kergoth | Twiun: probably didnt run Security |
| 19:53:19 | kergoth | Twiun: or you ftp'd to 4242 and used a password other than rootme |
| 19:53:31 | tux_mike | kerg: do you think my idea is doable? |
| 19:53:31 | Twiun | Ahhhh, yeah, most probably... didn't run Security |
| 19:53:41 | kergoth | that usbd0 timing issue with suspending on the cradle pisses me off |
| 19:53:46 | kergoth | where you have to manually ifup |
| 19:53:50 | kergoth | hm |
| 19:54:39 | Twiun | there, I'm through, finally ;-) |
| 19:54:42 | Twiun | thanks! |
| 19:56:22 | tux_mike | pokes at kergoth |
| 19:56:53 | kergoth | tux_mike: well, the hard part would be trying to dynamically resize a swapfile |
| 19:57:15 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 19:57:17 | kergoth | tux_mike: optimally, i'd like to see something like ramfs, which is dyanamic, but whose contents arent lost on reboot. this is much, much more difficult than it sounds :) |
| 19:57:41 | tux_mike | i just thought if it's in use, it'd be a problem |
| 19:57:42 | AndyQ | kergoth: After reflash - I can't ping my Zaurus - remove and replaced from cradle, tried ifup... |
| 19:57:57 | tux_mike | but if not in use, it's no problem swapoff, resize, swapon |
| 19:58:23 | NetNut404_Work | kergoth: should this be a valid configure command then ? ./configure --host=arm-linux --build=x86-linux CC=arm-linux-gcc, CXX=arm-linux-g++, LD=arm-linux-ld |
| 19:58:33 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: no |
| 19:58:43 | NetNut404_Work | kergoth: I get configure: warning: CC=arm-linux-gcc,: invalid host type |
| 19:58:43 | NetNut404_Work | configure: warning: CXX=arm-linux-g++,: invalid host type |
| 19:58:55 | kergoth | CC=arm-linux-gcc; CXX=arm-linux-g++; LD=arm-linux-ld; ./configure --host=arm-linux --build=x86-linux; |
| 19:58:58 | datenPUNK | kergoth: if I remove and replace my Z it often hangs - so the reinit of the network is always risky |
| 19:59:00 | kergoth | well yeah, i just told you its incorrect :) |
| 19:59:08 | AndyQ | kergoth: forget that - reboot solved it |
| 19:59:09 | tux_mike | kerg: i wonder if there's a way to make the MTDRAM device act like ramfs |
| 19:59:13 | kergoth | datenPUNK: eject it from windows before removal |
| 19:59:18 | kergoth | datenPUNK: and dont let it suspend on the cradle |
| 19:59:23 | kergoth | tux_mike: thats what i'd like |
| 19:59:56 | Ghent19 | kergoth: it looks like is the kernel image is being dled as txt... is there a way to force a binary dl? i even tried wget and lynx and they open it as plain/text as well |
| 19:59:56 | tux_mike | hrmm |
| 20:00:25 | kergoth | Ghent19: wget doesnt dl it as text |
| 20:00:35 | kergoth | Ghent19: the mime type on the ifle in the sf webserver is binary, last i checked |
| 20:00:39 | kergoth | Ghent19: let me doublecheck. |
| 20:00:42 | tux_mike | ah well, back to my uC project |
| 20:00:43 | Ghent19 | k |
| 20:00:44 | NetNut404_Work | kergoth: thanks |
| 20:00:57 | datenPUNK | kergoth : the bad thing is that I just turned on the pc and put the Z into - so I didn't remove the Z - but nevermind other things are more important |
| 20:01:03 | chouimat | tux_mike: uC? |
| 20:01:04 | kergoth | datenPUNK: hmm |
| 20:01:09 | tux_mike | microcontroller |
| 20:01:20 | kergoth | datenPUNK: i've been trying to reproduce the Z hang when using usb networking for a couple days now, still cant make mine freeze |
| 20:02:11 | datenPUNK | kergoth: hmm - which Os are you using? |
| 20:02:34 | kergoth | datenPUNK: i've used it with a windows xp desktop, windows 2k, redhat, and debian |
| 20:03:53 | datenPUNK | kergoth : Oh! I can't reproduce but it seems to be the following case: |
| 20:04:13 | datenPUNK | Windows starts - Z not in |
| 20:04:54 | datenPUNK | Windows even doesn't see a USB device - now I insert the Z - crash |
| 20:05:23 | kergoth | i boot windows, insert my Z, everything comes up happily |
| 20:05:34 | kergoth | suspend the Z, resume the Z, eject, thee Z, reinsert the Z |
| 20:05:35 | kergoth | still happy |
| 20:06:17 | Neo|Work | kergoth: my OZ seems to lock up a heck of a whole lot. :( |
| 20:06:26 | kergoth | when? |
| 20:06:28 | kergoth | doing what? |
| 20:06:31 | kergoth | i cant get mine to crash |
| 20:06:35 | Neo|Work | for example when I try to switch theme |
| 20:06:37 | kergoth | if you can get me reproduction steps, i want to fix it |
| 20:06:45 | Neo|Work | and it restarts, and is locked up |
| 20:06:56 | kergoth | when i swithc themes and hit ok, it prompts to restart, i restart, and everything is happy |
| 20:06:57 | datenPUNK | hm - well then this seems to be one of the silly bugs - not reproduceable by anybody on any device |
| 20:06:59 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:07:11 | kergoth | maybe you're hitting the reboot two times in a row without suspending the Z once bug |
| 20:07:17 | kergoth | which apparently occurs in sharp too |
| 20:07:46 | beattie | Twiun[dinner]: when you say static, you mean linked staticly? |
| 20:07:51 | datenPUNK | you mean the pc or the Z (sillyasking) |
| 20:08:50 | Ghent19 | kergoth: wget is giving me txt/plain for zImages and application/octet-stream for initrd |
| 20:11:18 | kergoth | Ghent19: what zimage are you grabbing? let me check SF |
| 20:11:21 | kergoth | mutters about SF |
| 20:11:35 | kergoth | datenPUNK: pc or z ..? |
| 20:11:36 | Ghent19 | zImage-64-0 and tried the 48-16 |
| 20:11:37 | kergoth | is ocnfused |
| 20:12:30 | datenPUNK | kergoth : the bug you are talking about - I don't know it - rebooting the pc or the Z |
| 20:12:50 | kergoth | Ghent19: wtf, sf is pissing me off |
| 20:12:58 | Neo|Work | kergoth: it just locks up more or less randomly it seems |
| 20:13:09 | kergoth | datenPUNK: if you reboot the Z twice in a row without suspending hte Z during that period, it'll hang on the secondr eboot |
| 20:13:13 | Ghent19 | kergoth: whats up with it? |
| 20:13:47 | datenPUNK | kergoth : oh - that could be - I'll watch my steps closely |
| 20:14:30 | kergoth | Ghent19: not sure. in the admin of the file releases, its listed as a file type of Other, the same as the initrd.bin |
| 20:14:36 | kergoth | Ghent19: tried a different mirror? |
| 20:14:39 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:15:00 | Ghent19 | only tried http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 20:15:08 | Ghent19 | where else should i check? |
| 20:15:12 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:15:21 | datenPUNK | kergoth: btw - I don't want to put any pressure on you and the other hardworking men - but will the oz 3 come today? I just played with Z 2 days now and I will resume my nomal work after I got the Z running smoothly ;) |
| 20:15:22 | kergoth | its the lack of extension |
| 20:15:41 | kergoth | sf.net's web site is assuming a text/jplain on files without extensions? |
| 20:15:42 | kergoth | wt |
| 20:15:43 | kergoth | f |
| 20:16:04 | chouimat | kergoth: ETA for OZ3? |
| 20:16:20 | Ghent19 | kergoth: thats whacked |
| 20:16:21 | Twiun[dinner] | beattie: yeah |
| 20:16:29 | Ghent19 | but at least im not insane :P |
| 20:16:31 | kergoth | Ghent19: no kidding. i'll rename them to zImage.bin or something |
| 20:16:34 | datenPUNK | kergoth: MIME TYPES: yes my system also made a *.txt on the files |
| 20:16:44 | kergoth | stabs SF |
| 20:16:47 | Dessimat0r | same here |
| 20:16:55 | Dessimat0r | bloody annoying, tis |
| 20:17:11 | beattie | Twiun[dinner]: it should be static righet...14M I need to strip and prune |
| 20:17:20 | Dessimat0r | easily fixed on the client side, however |
| 20:17:35 | kergoth | numatrix|away: ping |
| 20:17:35 | Twiun[dinner] | 14M sounds a little excessive... unstripped it shouldn't be more than about 4 or 5 |
| 20:17:48 | Twiun[dinner] | any howtos on getting the liquid look working? |
| 20:18:01 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:18:05 | kergoth | ipkg install opie-liquid |
| 20:18:08 | beattie | Twiun[dinner]: that is all the stuff, may be some extra stuff |
| 20:18:29 | beattie | Twiun[dinner]: tryinmg to figure out what kaffeh does |
| 20:18:46 | Twiun[dinner] | beattie: it's like javah - it's the JNI preprocessor |
| 20:19:04 | Twiun[dinner] | kergoth: did that... restarted opie - nothing, and no entries in appearance |
| 20:19:13 | neale | bah |
| 20:19:18 | beattie | Twiun[dinner]: so I can leave it out? |
| 20:19:41 | Twiun[dinner] | beattie: of the finished product, yeah sure |
| 20:19:44 | neale | when you raise an interface, it doesn't call into /etc/network/if-up.d/, does it. |
| 20:19:50 | kergoth | Twiun[dinner]: if its installed, it will be listed |
| 20:20:00 | kergoth | Twiun[dinner]: unless something is b0-rked |
| 20:20:01 | kergoth | works fine here |
| 20:20:03 | Twiun[dinner] | kergoth: ok, then something must have gone wrong in the install... ;-) |
| 20:20:06 | kergoth | what image? |
| 20:20:12 | Twiun[dinner] | prerelease |
| 20:20:24 | Twiun[dinner] | and liquid from the unstable feed |
| 20:20:35 | kergoth | hm, should be fine |
| 20:20:36 | kergoth | weird |
| 20:20:42 | kergoth | try removing it and reinstalling |
| 20:21:50 | kergoth | Neo|Work: does it seem related to either wireless, card ejection, or usb? |
| 20:22:32 | numatrix|away | kergoth: pong. sorry, troubleshooting something here. What's up? |
| 20:23:15 | Neo|Work | kergoth: I don't think so. I have no wireless, haven't ejected any cards and haven't used usb. :P |
| 20:23:15 | kergoth | numatrix|away: nada, wondering if you'd be willing to mirror openzaurus.org still :) |
| 20:23:20 | kergoth | Neo|Work: hrm |
| 20:23:23 | Twiun[dinner] | kergoth: hmmm... lots of failed to link... messages - I'll look into it while I watch tv ;-) |
| 20:23:24 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 20:23:28 | kergoth | these kernels wont boot |
| 20:23:30 | kergoth | my Z wont fucking boot |
| 20:23:34 | kergoth | and i didnt change anything from yesterday |
| 20:23:36 | numatrix|away | kergoth: sure thing. saw you getting pissed at sf. ;-) |
| 20:23:37 | kergoth | when it worked flawlessly |
| 20:23:39 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 20:24:18 | Neo|Work | kergoth: I can't really say what the cause is I'm afraid |
| 20:24:39 | numatrix|away | kergoth: Want me to get with noda as far as setting up the homepage/faq and all that, or do you mainly need a mirror for downloads? |
| 20:25:55 | kergoth | hahahaha |
| 20:25:57 | kergoth | oh my |
| 20:26:02 | numatrix|away | Found the problem? |
| 20:26:07 | neale | huh. |
| 20:26:08 | kergoth | its amazing what a single missing \ will do to you |
| 20:26:46 | kergoth | numatrix|away: probably need a download mirror more than anything else, .. but who knows, we'll have a better idea after the release, when we see how much the load is |
| 20:27:20 | neale | so, what would be the adverse affect of having /etc/hotplug/usbd.func call ifup instead of doing it itself? |
| 20:27:30 | neale | s/affect/effect/ |
| 20:27:37 | datenPUNK | kergoth: How much traffic do you have on the site now? |
| 20:27:50 | AndyQ | kergoth: what was it? |
| 20:28:03 | Ghent19 | ive got 2 sites that allow me over 15gig of transfer a month, and 200meg space.. |
| 20:28:04 | kergoth | AndyQ: a single missing \ |
| 20:28:13 | AndyQ | kergoth: where? |
| 20:28:19 | kergoth | datenPUNK: no idea, SF doesnt exactly give me loads of info :) |
| 20:28:22 | numatrix|away | sure thing; download mirror is easy enough to set up right away--drop me an email jordan@d0pe.com with links to what files you want mirrored and I'll copy them and send you the link |
| 20:28:37 | numatrix|away | Ghent19: I've got two sites that allow 400gig/month each. :-) |
| 20:28:39 | kergoth | numatrix|away: okay, thanks. |
| 20:29:23 | numatrix|away | kergoth: np; 3.0 is going to be really exciting; looking forward to being able to distribute it... |
| 20:29:33 | Ghent19 | numatrix: cheap?? im always looking for better providers ;) |
| 20:30:04 | kergoth | now itd be nice if i could reproduce the hang issues people have reported |
| 20:30:05 | kergoth | hrm |
| 20:30:11 | AndyQ | kergoth: !dratsab my build is still fuckin going!!! |
| 20:30:23 | numatrix|away | Ghent19: it's 100$/month for each server. Comes with the server and the bandwidth. It's a great deal. I sell out subspace on one of the machines. I'm just about breaking even right now. |
| 20:30:25 | AndyQ | kergoth: do you want any testing on this hanging done? |
| 20:30:27 | kergoth | AndyQ: lol |
| 20:30:48 | AndyQ | kergoth: as I can replicate the problem at will |
| 20:30:51 | datenPUNK | kergoth: well I have webservers in vienna - the traffic is flat - currently 1 Mbit - as long the site doesn't eat up all bandwith |
| 20:31:01 | kergoth | AndyQ: oh, you can? the usb hang right? |
| 20:31:15 | AndyQ | kergoth: the one on resume - yup |
| 20:31:19 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 20:31:21 | kergoth | let me think |
| 20:31:32 | kergoth | given that it crashes we dont have a lot of debugging info |
| 20:31:50 | kergoth | AndyQ: tried exiting opie, then trying to reproduce the problem in console? (aka is it all of oz that hangs, or only opie) |
| 20:32:02 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 20:33:25 | Ghent19 | numatrix: kewl.. may have to look into that when i get cash again,, i want a colo with my own box. |
| 20:33:47 | NetNut404_Work | kergoth: I compile using CC=arm-linux-gcc; CXX=arm-linux-g++; LD=arm-linux-ld; STRIP=arm-linux-strip; CPP=arm-linux-cpp; ./configure --host=arm-linux --build=x86-linux and the end restult is still an i386 binary.. not cross compiling.. what could I be missing ? |
| 20:34:08 | neale | whoa, kergoth is like, the main OZ dude. |
| 20:34:18 | AndyQ | kergoth: strange thing is happening - I can't reproduce the crash anymore, but when I switch off, on poweron the backlight makes its noise but doesn't switch on, if I press power on again, the screen turns on |
| 20:34:19 | neale | didn't realize that |
| 20:34:45 | AndyQ | forget that - its the power pack humming - doh! |
| 20:35:00 | cbok | you know, kergoth is responsible for all humming noises your backlight makes.. |
| 20:35:08 | cbok | thats a feature |
| 20:35:54 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: try specifying on make. make CC=arm-linux-gcc etc |
| 20:35:54 | AndyQ | kergoth: I can' repeat it now. Is it possible that it only happens if you do a full flash (zImage & initrd.bin)? |
| 20:36:10 | AndyQ | kergoth: as I could repaeat after a full flash, but not after a zImage only flash |
| 20:36:12 | kergoth | AndyQ: uhm, its possible.. |
| 20:36:12 | NetNut404_Work | I did that too just like the configure |
| 20:36:15 | kergoth | is more confused now |
| 20:36:18 | KallDrexx | is back (gone 07:52:52) |
| 20:36:23 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: not like the configure |
| 20:36:26 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: not CC=blah make |
| 20:36:28 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: but make CC=blah |
| 20:36:41 | kergoth | make gives more priority to those on the cmdline than it does those in the environment |
| 20:36:42 | AndyQ | kergoth: have you done a full flash recently or just zImage flashes? |
| 20:36:48 | neale | wow, openzaurus-devel is like, REALLY HIGH TRAFFIC |
| 20:36:53 | kergoth | AndyQ: i just completely reflashed |
| 20:36:55 | kergoth | neale: lol |
| 20:37:00 | kergoth | AndyQ: but i havent tried to reprdouce it yet |
| 20:37:07 | kergoth | brb, real work |
| 20:39:00 | NetNut404_Work | kergoth: what is the significance of the ";" in the configure statment ? |
| 20:41:56 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: ; indicates the end of a command |
| 20:41:59 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: same as newline |
| 20:42:09 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: allows you to run multiple shell commands on a single line |
| 20:42:19 | kergoth | okay, got that guy off the phone |
| 20:42:20 | kergoth | idiots |
| 20:42:31 | NetNut404_Work | kergoth: thought so.. still doing the same though |
| 20:42:49 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: then the makefile doesnt obey the CC variable, read the makefile |
| 20:43:27 | NetNut404_Work | ahh |
| 20:43:35 | AndyQ | kergoth: I'm buggered if I can get the ifdown usbd0; ifup usbd0 to work! |
| 20:43:44 | kergoth | AndyQ: err.. does it error, or what? |
| 20:44:26 | AndyQ | kergoth: the ifdown gives script error (which I ignore) and the idup says file already exists |
| 20:45:31 | AndyQ | kergoth: exact error- SIOADDRT: File exists |
| 20:45:40 | kergoth | ah, the route error shouldnt hurt naything |
| 20:45:42 | kergoth | ifconfig -a |
| 20:45:45 | kergoth | is the interface UP? |
| 20:46:29 | AndyQ | kergoth: it looks like it but it ain't talking to XP |
| 20:46:38 | kergoth | cant ping? |
| 20:46:42 | kergoth | is he interface up in windows? |
| 20:46:46 | kergoth | dmesg show anything useful? |
| 20:46:47 | kergoth | hrm |
| 20:46:48 | AndyQ | kergoth: can't ping Z |
| 20:47:09 | AndyQ | dmesg errors: |
| 20:47:18 | cranch | any progress on the release |
| 20:47:19 | cranch | ? |
| 20:47:28 | kergoth | cranch: working on it now |
| 20:47:43 | cranch | you work out your boot problem? |
| 20:47:53 | AndyQ | netproto_start_skb: urb_alloc failed len:42 |
| 20:47:54 | kergoth | yeah. 3 missing characters |
| 20:47:58 | kergoth | a \, a $, and another $ |
| 20:48:00 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:48:08 | kergoth | AndyQ: hrm |
| 20:48:24 | AndyQ | netproto_start_xmit: no mem send failed: -1 |
| 20:48:29 | AndyQ | -12 |
| 20:48:52 | cranch | so the release is going up now? |
| 20:48:54 | AndyQ | usb_alloc_urb: can't find endpoint #02! |
| 20:49:01 | cranch | I'm sick of fscking around with my damn fonts... |
| 20:49:07 | kergoth | AndyQ: err wtf does that mean |
| 20:49:08 | cranch | :( I just want Tahoma anti-aliased :( |
| 20:49:09 | kergoth | is confused |
| 20:49:11 | AndyQ | usb_alloc_urb: i=0 epa=0 want2 |
| 20:49:12 | AndyQ | usb_alloc_urb: i=0 epa=0 want2 |
| 20:49:16 | AndyQ | usb_alloc_urb: i=1 epa=0 want2 |
| 20:49:20 | AndyQ | usb_alloc_urb: i=2 epa=0 want2 |
| 20:49:28 | kergoth | uhm |
| 20:49:47 | AndyQ | netproto_xmit_skb: urb alloc failed len: 42 |
| 20:49:48 | kergoth | tried taking it off the cradle and reinserting? |
| 20:49:50 | AndyQ | thats it |
| 20:49:57 | kergoth | usbd is shit |
| 20:50:01 | kergoth | not as shitty as usbdnet |
| 20:50:03 | kergoth | but still shit |
| 20:50:52 | AndyQ | that didn't work |
| 20:51:00 | kergoth | reboot your Z? |
| 20:51:08 | kergoth | i've seen usbd get into a hung state in both sharp and oz |
| 20:51:10 | kergoth | piece of shit |
| 20:51:40 | AndyQ | yeah - the reboot will sort it - but if I suspend then I've got to go through the whole thing again |
| 20:51:55 | AndyQ | it maybe worth completely reflashing everything |
| 20:52:06 | aman | hey |
| 20:52:08 | aman | any news? |
| 20:52:25 | aman | hellllllllllllllllooooooooooooo |
| 20:52:31 | | I haven't seen 'kergoh', aman |
| 20:52:31 | aman | ibot seen kergoh |
| 20:52:33 | | kergoth was last seen on #openzaurus 1 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying: piece of shit [Tue Oct 29 13:51:10 2002] |
| 20:52:33 | aman | ibot seen kergoth |
| 20:52:36 | | noda was last seen on #openzaurus 1 hours, 42 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: Bah, sd is fast enough to play movies... [Tue Oct 29 12:10:09 2002] |
| 20:52:36 | aman | ibot seen noda |
| 20:52:54 | | dajoker was last seen on #openzaurus 16 hours, 58 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: ljp: open your coat [Mon Oct 28 20:54:34 2002] |
| 20:52:54 | aman | ibot seen dajoker |
| 20:53:14 | aman | what is this piece of shit? |
| 20:53:33 | Dessimat0r | dump the debugging info onto CF |
| 20:53:37 | aman | ok |
| 20:53:56 | Dessimat0r | then when it crashes, it wont be lost |
| 20:53:57 | kergoth | AndyQ: wait, this occurs every time you suspend on the cradle? |
| 20:54:12 | AndyQ | it is now - and I can't get the usb connection back up |
| 20:54:19 | AndyQ | at the moment |
| 20:54:33 | kergoth | hrm |
| 20:55:49 | numatrix|away | hmm, he's right though. sd is plenty fast enough for movies. even my low-power SD card can play many divx files pretty well. |
| 20:57:30 | numatrix|away | leaves work. |
| 20:57:31 | numatrix|away | later all |
| 20:57:35 | AndyQ | kergoth: OK managed to get the usb connection back - had to ifdown usbd0 ; ifup usbd0 remove from cradle and then replace |
| 20:57:46 | AndyQ | just trying to repeat |
| 20:57:57 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 20:58:07 | kergoth | yeah, see if you can find a definitive set of steps to cause the behavior |
| 20:58:33 | ljp_work | brrrr |
| 20:59:10 | cranch | who needs the cradle..sync with CF WIFI :) |
| 21:00:12 | kergoth | wifi is nifty |
| 21:00:17 | AndyQ | kergoth: yup, that seems to be it - suspend, resume (connection lost), ifdown usbd0, ifdown usbd0, ifup usbd0, ifup usbd0 (had to do it twice - when I did each once it dodn't work :), remove from cradle, wait 5 secs, replace on cradle, use comes back |
| 21:00:43 | AndyQ | kergoth: doesn't crash now, but this is different behaviour completely from before when I did a full flash |
| 21:00:44 | kergoth | AndyQ: and it didnt come back after ifdown ifdown ifup ifup if you didnt remove and reinsert? |
| 21:00:48 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:00:50 | kergoth | args |
| 21:00:59 | kergoth | okay, let me see if i can reproduce it |
| 21:01:04 | AndyQ | kergoth: no - I had to remove from cradle |
| 21:01:08 | kergoth | can you email me those steps so i dont forget? :) |
| 21:01:12 | | We're sorry, but kergoth just exploded. Please leave a message and he'll get back to you as soon as he coalesces. |
| 21:01:12 | kergoth | ibot kergoth |
| 21:01:16 | kergoth | bah |
| 21:01:19 | kergoth | kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 21:01:21 | AndyQ | yup - on their way |
| 21:01:25 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:01:26 | kergoth | thanks |
| 21:01:29 | kergoth | so weird |
| 21:01:35 | cranch | nice kergoth.... |
| 21:01:37 | kergoth | so it doesnt crash anymore? |
| 21:01:44 | cranch | you exploded? |
| 21:01:45 | cranch | hehe |
| 21:02:04 | AndyQ | nope - but don't forget - I've only done a zImage flash recently - I'll try a full flash in a bit |
| 21:02:20 | kergoth | okay, keep me posted |
| 21:02:53 | kergoth | okay guys, if you bk pull the kernels that get built will actually boot again :) |
| 21:03:50 | AndyQ | heh - my build is still going :) |
| 21:03:58 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:04:06 | kergoth | you dont have to build all 10 kernels you know :) |
| 21:04:11 | kergoth | make menuconfig, disable the ones you wont use |
| 21:04:13 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:04:33 | cranch | I can test :) |
| 21:04:34 | AndyQ | the 10 kernels were built ages ago - fuck knows what its building at the moment |
| 21:04:38 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:04:56 | kergoth | cranch: i'll upload the kernels in a sec, they're not likely to change again before the release |
| 21:05:00 | AndyQ | zlib it looks like |
| 21:05:06 | kergoth | cranch: want to confirm this light and power stuff before pushing up the initrd.bin |
| 21:05:19 | bipolar | kergoth: new kernels? :) |
| 21:05:30 | kergoth | bipolar: sitll 2.4.6, dont get your hopes up |
| 21:05:34 | cranch | k... |
| 21:05:36 | AndyQ | kergoth: if I stop the damn thing can I resume after a bk pull? |
| 21:05:36 | bipolar | fuck |
| 21:05:42 | kergoth | bipolar: just has a antialiased and dithered version of hte boot logo, and a cuople other things |
| 21:05:48 | kergoth | AndyQ: yeah, it'll pick up where you left off |
| 21:05:49 | cranch | hehe |
| 21:05:55 | bipolar | kergoth: well, thats cool |
| 21:05:57 | bipolar | :) |
| 21:06:07 | kergoth | AndyQ: you'll want to rebuild the kernels (make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel clean) since those changed |
| 21:06:18 | cranch | I fscked up my Z last night by removing all the damn pngs from the Qtpalmtop/pics dir |
| 21:06:27 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:06:33 | cranch | its the ugliest damn install you've EVER seen...so I've been waiting to flash :) |
| 21:09:10 | Dessimat0r | i refuise to use my z until oz3 |
| 21:09:13 | Dessimat0r | refuse |
| 21:09:14 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:09:15 | cranch | hehehe |
| 21:09:16 | cranch | me too |
| 21:09:23 | NetNut404_Work | kergoth: the Make file was not changing based on the CC variable.. etc etc.. now at least the compile fails |
| 21:09:24 | cranch | its sitting in the corner pouting |
| 21:09:34 | Dessimat0r | yeah |
| 21:09:50 | NetNut404_Work | kergoth: In file included from main.c:55: |
| 21:09:50 | NetNut404_Work | plugin.h:25: ltdl.h: No such file or directory |
| 21:09:50 | NetNut404_Work | make[1]: *** [main.o] Error 1 |
| 21:10:01 | zuser00 | can one of you guys please help me... i installed openzaurus, and i cannot even ping the Z now. i have it connected to my windows usb port |
| 21:10:24 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: which version of windows ? |
| 21:10:31 | zuser00 | XP |
| 21:11:04 | Dessimat0r | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=218 |
| 21:11:14 | Dessimat0r | what is the point of this app |
| 21:11:14 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:11:48 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: I am not sure what the easy way of setting it to ping is.. I ran ifconfig commands in the terminal to make mine pingable |
| 21:11:57 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 21:11:57 | badalex | ibot oz prerelease |
| 21:12:00 | badalex | ... |
| 21:12:06 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:12:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:12:22 | badalex | OpenZaurus 3.0 very soon... Yeah thats what they said last week |
| 21:12:26 | kergoth | i'm building the rest of the kernels to upload them, they're ready |
| 21:12:31 | badalex | woot! |
| 21:12:34 | kergoth | the initrd.bin will be ready if hte light & power stuff is working |
| 21:12:34 | zuser00 | in the network config of the Z, if I check DHCP, i don't get an address assigned |
| 21:12:38 | badalex | kergoth: time estimate? |
| 21:12:39 | kergoth | if not, i'll revert it farther |
| 21:12:47 | kergoth | badalex: before i leave work today we'll know whats going on |
| 21:12:48 | NetNut404_Work | Dessimat0r: lol |
| 21:12:55 | badalex | kergoth: when is that? |
| 21:13:10 | AndyQ | kergoth: excellent news |
| 21:13:13 | NetNut404_Work | Dessimat0r: I guess pdf's must be cooler than I thought... LOL |
| 21:13:14 | kergoth | badalex: 3 hours from now |
| 21:13:19 | Dessimat0r | LOL |
| 21:13:21 | badalex | kergoth: woot! ok :) |
| 21:13:24 | AndyQ | anyway - I've goota go, dinners awaiting - see ya |
| 21:13:25 | zuser00 | NetNut404_Work: what commands would i use to make mine pingable? |
| 21:13:58 | Dessimat0r | cya |
| 21:14:26 | kergoth | okay, initrd.bin is downloading |
| 21:14:31 | kergoth | damn slow cable capped u/l |
| 21:15:02 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: do you have a network interface for the usb port in XP first off, and if so what is the ip listed if you run ipconfig ? |
| 21:15:26 | cranch | kergoth: you are downloading it to your comuter, or uploading it to the future download site :) |
| 21:15:27 | Ghent19 | kergoth: when u put new kernels up can you have them named .bin? =) |
| 21:15:29 | zuser00 | NetNut404_Work: 192.168.0.1 for my XP |
| 21:15:35 | kergoth | Ghent19: hehe. yes |
| 21:15:41 | kergoth | Ghent19: i shoudl note that in the install guide now i spose |
| 21:15:43 | kergoth | mutters |
| 21:15:49 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: can xp ping that ip ? |
| 21:15:50 | kergoth | ahaha |
| 21:15:54 | Ghent19 | its messed with my head the last 2 days :P |
| 21:15:57 | kergoth | i filled out a ubnch of forms last night online |
| 21:15:58 | kergoth | for auto quotes |
| 21:16:02 | kergoth | for insurance |
| 21:16:05 | kergoth | so i get two emails today |
| 21:16:14 | kergoth | from two diferent agencies, but both are american family insurance |
| 21:16:27 | kergoth | one of themquotes me $360 a month, the other one quotes $135 |
| 21:16:28 | zuser00 | NetNut404_Work: yes, just verified it |
| 21:16:29 | kergoth | same fucking insurance company |
| 21:16:32 | kergoth | wtf is up with that? |
| 21:16:37 | Ghent19 | geicko or progressive are cheapest ive seen, depending on what state u in |
| 21:16:49 | zuser00 | NetNut404_Work: i also have another linux machine on my home network that i can ping... so that is working |
| 21:17:00 | kergoth | Ghent19: i cant go with geico .. i have a driving without insurance and a liense revokation 4 years ago |
| 21:17:04 | Ghent19 | kergoth: 360 a month?? |
| 21:17:11 | kergoth | Ghent19: and geico looks back *7* years for revokations |
| 21:17:30 | kergoth | i think i'll go with the agency that quoted me $135, not hte one that quoted me $3650 |
| 21:17:32 | Ghent19 | kergoth: ahh. i pay like $700 a year for a 98 car... but i dont have anything major on record |
| 21:17:34 | kergoth | er |
| 21:17:34 | kergoth | fuckers |
| 21:17:37 | kergoth | $360 |
| 21:17:46 | kergoth | I have one speeding ticket since having my card |
| 21:17:48 | kergoth | card |
| 21:17:49 | kergoth | car |
| 21:17:56 | kergoth | its that damn driving without insurance that najils me |
| 21:17:59 | kergoth | and whats worse |
| 21:17:59 | Twiun | screams |
| 21:18:02 | kergoth | it was my parents fault |
| 21:18:06 | Ghent19 | doh |
| 21:18:13 | cranch | make them pay for it :P |
| 21:18:14 | kergoth | they were paying my insurance becaues they owed me over $1500 |
| 21:18:17 | kergoth | they didnt pay it on time |
| 21:18:21 | kergoth | and i got into an ccident |
| 21:18:24 | kergoth | accident |
| 21:18:25 | Ghent19 | that sucks |
| 21:18:30 | kergoth | during the 3 days during which the insurance had lapsed |
| 21:18:35 | kergoth | jjust my fucking luck eh? |
| 21:18:45 | Twiun | liquid shows up - sample stuff looks good... opie restarts and... nowt happened - appearance defaults back to Light |
| 21:18:57 | kergoth | lost my license for a month, and i've been paying $260-$360 a month for insurance since |
| 21:19:25 | kergoth | Twiun: hmm. |
| 21:19:32 | kergoth | Twiun: hold on, let me try here |
| 21:19:40 | datenPUNK | funny here in austria you don't get number plates without insurance - the state thinks for us :) |
| 21:20:03 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: ok.. will find my ifconfig script one sec |
| 21:20:09 | Twiun | kergoth: funny thing is... none of the style changes take hold |
| 21:20:15 | zuser00 | NetNut404_Work: cool, thanks |
| 21:20:17 | kergoth | Twiun: weird. |
| 21:20:21 | kergoth | Twiun: tried other styles? |
| 21:20:24 | kergoth | flash, fresh, etc |
| 21:20:37 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: if you run ifconfig by itself on the Z what does it show ? |
| 21:21:01 | kergoth | i'm spending more on insurance than i am on my car payment |
| 21:21:03 | kergoth | thats sad |
| 21:21:04 | Twiun | kergoth: yup... just tried the windows style... reverts to Light |
| 21:21:09 | kergoth | Twiun: wtf |
| 21:21:20 | datenPUNK | wow openzaurus.org is damn slow now |
| 21:21:27 | Twiun | think I should update the appearance app from the feed? |
| 21:21:28 | kergoth | datenPUNK: lol |
| 21:21:40 | kergoth | Twiun: its worht a shot.. |
| 21:22:05 | zuser00 | NetNut404_Work: it has lo, 127.0.0.1, and usbd0 192.168.0.5 (configured manually in network settings dialog) |
| 21:22:51 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: ok.. |
| 21:23:17 | Twiun | Aaaaaargh! |
| 21:23:22 | cranch | datenPUNK: its not slow for me... |
| 21:23:25 | zuser00 | NetNut404_Work: need anything else? |
| 21:23:31 | Twiun | aqpkg is a pile of £"(%)£&$(%"£ |
| 21:23:35 | NetNut404_Work | ifconfig usbd0 190.9.8.5 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 21:23:40 | kergoth | Twiun: whatd it do? |
| 21:23:48 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: ifconfig usbd0 190.9.8.5 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 21:24:00 | kergoth | ignore the 'failed to link' errros, they're almost always harmless |
| 21:24:11 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: ack sorry wrong ip |
| 21:24:24 | zuser00 | NetNut404_Work: what is 190.9... oh ok |
| 21:24:34 | Twiun | kergoth: died on me when I told it to reinstall opie-appearance |
| 21:24:45 | Twiun | kergoth: workaround... remove it first, then install manually |
| 21:24:51 | kergoth | Twiun: oh, did opie exit completely, or just aqpkg? |
| 21:24:54 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: ifconfig usbd0 192.168.0.5 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 21:25:19 | Twiun | kergoth: just aqpkg... opie's been really stable so far - not one crash |
| 21:25:22 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: route add -host 192.168.0.1 usbd0 |
| 21:26:06 | Twiun | kergoth: no go |
| 21:26:31 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: route delete -net 192.168.129.0/24 usbd0 |
| 21:26:32 | celloboy | what sd readers do people use? |
| 21:26:49 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: route add default gw 192.168.129.1 |
| 21:27:20 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: sorry replace 129 with 0 |
| 21:27:52 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: my brain is off two many scripts for too many network setups |
| 21:28:05 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 21:28:09 | Twiun | hey |
| 21:28:16 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: but change the ip's accordingly, and they will work |
| 21:28:43 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: ifconfig usbd0 192.168.0.201 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 21:28:51 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whats going on with opie? |
| 21:29:21 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00 route add -host 192.168.0.1 usbd0 |
| 21:29:46 | NetNut404_Work | zuser00: route delete -net 192.168.0.0/24 usbd0 |
| 21:29:59 | NetNut404_Work | route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 21:30:22 | beattie | Twiun: now for a quick hello.java |
| 21:30:39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: 1) push zimage naming change 2) push fbvnc stuff 3) can we disable the sf download page and put up prerelease for download on oz.org ? |
| 21:30:47 | Twiun | beattie: lol |
| 21:30:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: 1) is done |
| 21:31:00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: 3) we cant, but we can remove the files |
| 21:31:00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: also, ipkg changes? |
| 21:31:03 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg changed? |
| 21:31:04 | kergoth | ipkg changes? |
| 21:31:05 | kergoth | oh |
| 21:31:08 | kergoth | just a versioniong change |
| 21:31:13 | kergoth | now our version matches familiar more |
| 21:31:13 | TheMasterMind1 | i got a bug fixed report |
| 21:31:19 | TheMasterMind1 | from a bug that i submitted 2 months ago |
| 21:31:23 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:31:36 | TheMasterMind1 | so i'm thinking jamey actually fixed crap |
| 21:31:37 | TheMasterMind1 | did he? |
| 21:31:44 | kergoth | dunno |
| 21:31:45 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:33:04 | TheMasterMind1 | checks cvs |
| 21:33:04 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:33:12 | TheMasterMind1 | seems he only fixed the problem i reported |
| 21:33:15 | TheMasterMind1 | which was minor |
| 21:33:19 | TheMasterMind1 | the wget-verbose issue |
| 21:33:23 | TheMasterMind1 | but nothing else has changed |
| 21:33:24 | TheMasterMind1 | damn.. |
| 21:34:06 | TheMasterMind1 | * ipkg_cmd.c: ipkg_upgrade_cmd now installs uninstalled packages |
| 21:34:06 | TheMasterMind1 | instead of getting a segv |
| 21:34:14 | TheMasterMind1 | * changed verbose_get to verbose_wget as documented |
| 21:34:17 | beattie | Twiun: that was rude, hello.class failed, not surpriseing, but it loged me out... |
| 21:34:23 | TheMasterMind1 | submit more bug reports! he's actually fixing stuff now |
| 21:34:24 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:34:50 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: so what happened yesterday/ whats stopping the release now? |
| 21:35:12 | Twiun | beattie: rofl, that's a bit extreme ;-) |
| 21:36:02 | beattie | I thought so... I tried to install in /opt/Kaffe because I was too lasy to figure ouyt how to install it correctly |
| 21:36:33 | beattie | that does not seem to be working, any hints, it wont fit into ram |
| 21:36:35 | Twiun | beattie: even so - it shouldn't have logged you out |
| 21:36:51 | beattie | probably an uncaught signal |
| 21:37:05 | beattie | UNIX signal |
| 21:37:36 | Twiun | beattie: you're gonna have to stick it on CF/SD and edit the java scripts ;-) |
| 21:38:05 | neale | okay OZ gurus, why does every network device use ifup, *except* for the usb device? |
| 21:38:53 | neale | in other words, what will break if I gut /etc/hotplug/usbd.fung? |
| 21:39:30 | kergoth | neale: um |
| 21:39:33 | kergoth | neale: usb uses ifup |
| 21:39:35 | kergoth | neale: :) |
| 21:39:50 | neale | how, then? I can't see as it's getting called. |
| 21:40:04 | neale | it doesn't appear to call net.agent |
| 21:40:21 | Twiun | beattie: are you xcompiling? |
| 21:40:36 | kergoth | neale: yeah, it does |
| 21:41:02 | neale | maybe I have an old version, then. |
| 21:41:04 | beattie | Twiun: yes, the binary seemed to work "java/lang/UnsatisfiedLinkError: libio: not found" |
| 21:41:34 | | feed is a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 21:41:34 | neale | ibot: feed? |
| 21:41:35 | TheMasterMind1 | feels lost |
| 21:41:58 | Twiun | beattie: you need that lib linked in /opt/QtPalmtop/lib |
| 21:42:00 | NetNut404_Work | is starting to figure if it was easy to cross compile a good linux yahoo/icq/aim/msn client for the Z that someone would have already done it |
| 21:42:09 | Twiun | beattie: along with all the other libs Kaffe created for you ;-) |
| 21:42:23 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: a gtk one wont do you any good |
| 21:42:30 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: and a qt one will need porting to qt/e |
| 21:42:33 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: even assuming it qt2 |
| 21:42:42 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: now the ncurses console based centericq would work |
| 21:42:46 | cbok | tkcjabber |
| 21:42:54 | kergoth | kinkattalite |
| 21:42:57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:42:59 | kergoth | for aim anyway |
| 21:43:05 | TheMasterMind1 | you seen that cool one? |
| 21:43:08 | TheMasterMind1 | i forget what its called |
| 21:43:08 | Twiun | This is pissing me off... opie suspends even when powered from the AC... |
| 21:43:10 | TheMasterMind1 | k something |
| 21:43:22 | TheMasterMind1 | koette or something like that |
| 21:43:33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: so whats going on with oz3? |
| 21:43:35 | NetNut404_Work | kergoth: I get as far as ./include/conscommon.h:17: ncurses.h: No such file or directory |
| 21:43:35 | NetNut404_Work | make[3]: *** [texteditor.o] Error 1 |
| 21:43:48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:43:52 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: then you need the ncurses headers and an arm ncurses lib |
| 21:43:53 | TheMasterMind1 | use the oz buildroot |
| 21:43:56 | neale | shabooms |
| 21:43:58 | kergoth | or that |
| 21:44:27 | neale | oh @*#$& |
| 21:44:42 | NetNut404_Work | kergoth: yeah.. compiles fine till I tweak the makefile for use with arm-linux |
| 21:44:51 | neale | *@#$ @#$ @#$ |
| 21:44:54 | neale | I lost libc6 |
| 21:44:55 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: like i said |
| 21:44:56 | neale | @#$@#$ |
| 21:44:59 | kergoth | neale: ? |
| 21:45:01 | scanline | hmmmmm.... |
| 21:45:08 | neale | I interrupted a shaboom |
| 21:45:13 | neale | ipkg upgrade |
| 21:45:22 | neale | it was downloading libc6 from familiar |
| 21:45:22 | Twiun | kergoth: you know that thing you were saying about people putting qpe-base (1.5.0) as a dependency? |
| 21:45:25 | neale | @$#$@# |
| 21:45:29 | neale | sighn |
| 21:45:45 | kergoth | Twiun: yeah |
| 21:45:51 | Twiun | kergoth: well even with just qpe-base aqpkg still barfs and complains about 1.5.0 |
| 21:45:59 | killefiz | TheMasterMind1: have you done oz.org? |
| 21:46:06 | kergoth | Twiun: ? |
| 21:46:11 | kergoth | Twiun: i havent seen that |
| 21:46:14 | neale | hahahaha |
| 21:46:16 | neale | I so lose |
| 21:46:22 | kergoth | killefiz: noda and tmm1 have been doing oz.org |
| 21:46:24 | Twiun | kergoth: only on my package for some reason... |
| 21:46:31 | Dessimat0r | I like the way that the KOrganiser team just made one version of KOrganiser/Embedded just for a competition, then f*cked it off |
| 21:46:35 | kergoth | Twiun: hmm |
| 21:46:51 | TheMasterMind1 | killefiz: i've done parts of it |
| 21:47:18 | killefiz | TheMasterMind1: i like the design - very clean |
| 21:47:22 | neale | I guess there's nothing for it but to re-flash then. |
| 21:47:27 | beattie | Twiun: I'm going to try to set CLASSPATH as suggested by the error |
| 21:47:36 | TheMasterMind1 | killefiz: its stolen from oswd.org and then it was css-ized from the tables version |
| 21:47:51 | killefiz | i'm thinking about borrowing the layout for zsi - would you mind? |
| 21:48:04 | Twiun | beattie: ok... but that would be weird - classpath hasn't got anything to do with native libs |
| 21:48:42 | TheMasterMind1 | killefiz: nope |
| 21:48:43 | beattie | Twiun: what doe it normally point, the jar's? |
| 21:48:58 | Twiun | beattie: yeah, or directories containing .class files |
| 21:49:05 | TheMasterMind1 | someone tell me whats going on with OZ |
| 21:49:07 | killefiz | TheMasterMind1: it should be easy to integrate it into the new zsi codebase |
| 21:49:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: pending my testing the light and power stuff |
| 21:49:23 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: what happened to light and power |
| 21:49:24 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 21:49:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: also, the filesizes all show up as 0Kb on the download page. |
| 21:49:43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: mind fixing that? |
| 21:49:43 | sean | NetNut404_Work: hey sorry about leaving... my computer went bezerk |
| 21:50:01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: all? |
| 21:50:02 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:50:06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: all |
| 21:50:10 | TheMasterMind1 | did you upload a test dir? |
| 21:50:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: check it out |
| 21:50:13 | TheMasterMind1 | so i can test with it |
| 21:50:14 | kergoth | http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_kergoth/content/download.php |
| 21:50:21 | kergoth | i uploaded the zImages that will be for 3.0 |
| 21:50:23 | NetNut404_Work | sean: is this zuser00 ? |
| 21:50:25 | kergoth | they wont be changing again prior to the release |
| 21:50:34 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: its not 0 for me.... |
| 21:50:37 | TheMasterMind1 | its a nasty number though |
| 21:50:39 | TheMasterMind1 | needs rounding |
| 21:50:46 | kergoth | err |
| 21:50:48 | TheMasterMind1 | and make the md5s also |
| 21:50:48 | kergoth | its fine now |
| 21:50:50 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:50:50 | zuser02 | NetNut404_Work: yeah sorry |
| 21:50:55 | kergoth | round it for me, i'll create the md5sums |
| 21:50:56 | Twiun | kergoth: no change... even thought it might be due to me trying to install to mtdram... no joy on cf either |
| 21:51:27 | beattie | Twiun: kaffe build a directory of .a and .la files does that seem wrong to you |
| 21:51:32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: oh, put the md5sum on a different line or something |
| 21:51:34 | Twiun | kergoth: I'd like to know where it's getting qpe-base (1.5.0) out of ;-) |
| 21:51:36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: cause look at it right now |
| 21:51:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it looks like crap |
| 21:51:48 | Twiun | beattie: those are for static linking, you can do without them |
| 21:51:52 | zuser02 | NetNut404_Work: the command route delete gave me an error: "route: can't resolve 192.168.0.0/24" |
| 21:52:03 | Twiun | beattie: the .so files are the ones you'll need for dynamic bins |
| 21:52:23 | beattie | Twiun: no .so built |
| 21:52:43 | egv`lunch | anyone here have a dazzle cf card reader? |
| 21:52:52 | Twiun | beattie: how big's your kaffe-bin file? |
| 21:52:52 | NetNut404_Work | zuser02: ifconfig usbd0 192.168.0.201 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 21:53:15 | NetNut404_Work | zuser02: route add -host 192.168.0.1 usbd0 |
| 21:53:30 | beattie | Twiun:3939820 unstriped |
| 21:53:58 | Twiun | beattie: can you run ldd on it? |
| 21:53:59 | NetNut404_Work | zuser02: route delete -net 192.168.0.0/24 usbd0 |
| 21:54:03 | neale | gah |
| 21:54:07 | Twiun | beattie: hmmm... actually run file on it |
| 21:54:13 | neale | I am such a bonehead |
| 21:54:14 | Twiun | beattie: I think it's a static bin |
| 21:54:27 | NetNut404_Work | zuser02: route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 21:54:29 | beattie | Twiun: any options...file claims it is |
| 21:54:35 | Twiun | kergoth: sod this... using -force-depends |
| 21:54:48 | NetNut404_Work | zuser02: that error is fine |
| 21:54:49 | Twiun | beattie: what ./configure options did you use? |
| 21:55:19 | NetNut404_Work | zuser02: then try to ping the pc from the Z |
| 21:55:38 | cranch | got my zImage downloaded :P |
| 21:55:53 | beattie | Twiun: CC=arm-linux-gcc AR=arm-linux-ar LD=arm-linux-ld ./configure --prefix=/opt/Kaffe --host=arm-linux --without-x --with-staticlib --with-staticbin |
| 21:56:13 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 21:56:13 | neale | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 21:56:14 | NetNut404_Work | zuser02: and if that works ping 192.168.0.201 from the pc |
| 21:56:15 | cranch | now for the initrd.bin :) |
| 21:56:40 | zuser02 | netuser: what about the route add default gw command? do i need to do that too? |
| 21:56:55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: how's that |
| 21:57:48 | zuser02 | NetNut404_Work: what about the route add default gw command? do i need to do that too? |
| 21:58:21 | beattie | Twiun: ldd: not a dynamic executable |
| 21:58:33 | cranch | TheMasterMind1: is it a good idea to have the zImage's on the site without the initrd.bin's? |
| 21:58:58 | Twiun | beattie: right, that confirms it... static bin - it *shouldn't* need any .so files, and should therefore not complain about libio |
| 21:59:08 | Twiun | beattie: best I can say is try building it dynamic |
| 21:59:18 | beattie | Twiun: ok |
| 21:59:21 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: oh, i was thinking, can we just add the stuff to the sf downloader, then have our download script directly link to a link with which they don't have to use the sf download interface, that way it'll do the tracking of how many downloads for us and anyone who goes to the sf files section still gets the right files |
| 21:59:36 | TheMasterMind1 | the only thing with that is how do you find out the names of the files if you can't access a dir and read them |
| 21:59:49 | TheMasterMind1 | cranch: *shrug* |
| 21:59:57 | NetNut404_Work | zuser02: all the commands I sent are neccessary |
| 22:00:15 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: how come the zimages are .bin now? |
| 22:00:20 | zuser02 | NetNut404_Work: ok... ping from zaurus is just hanging now |
| 22:00:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: mime types |
| 22:00:50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: beacuse we're going vfrom a web site atm, the mime type on files without extensions was relying on the browsers default |
| 22:00:55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ended up being ascii for a lot of people |
| 22:01:32 | NetNut404_Work | zuser02: type ifconfig on Z |
| 22:01:32 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ah, alright |
| 22:01:42 | zuser02 | NetNut404_Work: is there some specific version of the usb driver that i need for xp? or a specific version of qtopia desktop or something? i had this all working with the sharp rom |
| 22:01:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: btw, adding files to the sf download page is a *bitch* |
| 22:01:49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its not worth it |
| 22:01:58 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yea, i figured. can we just get rid of that then? |
| 22:01:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: numatrix volunteered to mirror the files, btw |
| 22:02:04 | TheMasterMind1 | delete all the files on there |
| 22:02:10 | TheMasterMind1 | and put up a file called use_openzaurus.org |
| 22:02:25 | NetNut404_Work | zuser02: yeah I had the same thing.. you shouldn't have to change anything on the pc then |
| 22:02:26 | TheMasterMind1 | or just get rid of the filecenter if you can |
| 22:02:26 | datenPUNK | kergoth: oh just wantet to ask if there are allready files available for testing - I guess not? |
| 22:02:36 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sounds good, how do we want to handle the mirror stuff? |
| 22:02:42 | cranch | upload the initrd.bin :) |
| 22:02:43 | cranch | hehe |
| 22:02:49 | TheMasterMind1 | cranch: its not ready yet |
| 22:03:00 | cranch | it is too :P |
| 22:03:02 | cranch | I say so |
| 22:03:03 | cranch | hehehe |
| 22:03:19 | cranch | j/k |
| 22:03:38 | cranch | does anyone use straight linux on their machine? or do alot of people dual boot... |
| 22:03:39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: will he just host the files or the whole site? we could just have the php pick a random server from a list of mirrors when making the links |
| 22:03:46 | NetNut404_Work | zuser02: so what did ifconfig by itself say now ? |
| 22:03:46 | TheMasterMind1 | cranch: i use linux only |
| 22:04:02 | cranch | TheMasterMind1: I'm trying to get the balls to move all out of Windows.. |
| 22:04:09 | Twiun | cranch: linux only |
| 22:04:13 | cranch | but I Think I should buy the crossover plugin... |
| 22:04:18 | zuser02 | NetNut404_Work: damn, i am so stumped... any other ideas? |
| 22:04:27 | cranch | anyone want to buy a G4 500? |
| 22:04:29 | NetNut404_Work | zuser02: so what did ifconfig by itself say now ? |
| 22:04:37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: and did you figure out how we're going to handle the feeds and stuff? |
| 22:04:48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: once you have, fix the text and links to the feeds on the donwnloadpage |
| 22:05:07 | zuser02 | netnut it has usbd0 listed as inet addr:192.168.0.201 now |
| 22:05:56 | zuser02 | NetNut404_Work: bcast 192.168.0.2555, mask 255.255.255.255 |
| 22:06:01 | beattie | Twiun: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: hello |
| 22:06:02 | beattie | at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:native) |
| 22:06:02 | beattie | at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:58) |
| 22:06:27 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: sounds painful |
| 22:06:31 | TheMasterMind1 | that's why i don't use java |
| 22:06:47 | Twiun | beattie: much better |
| 22:06:55 | beattie | TMM!: porting is always a pain |
| 22:07:04 | Twiun | beattie: have you added the current dir to the classpath? |
| 22:07:10 | Twiun | beattie: ie: -classpath . |
| 22:07:31 | NetNut404_Work | zuser02: what does a route command show you? |
| 22:08:15 | beattie | Twiun: Couldn't find or load essential class `java/lang/Object' java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError java/lang/Object |
| 22:08:27 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:08:30 | kergoth_ | 15:57 < kergoth> TheMasterMind1: yeah, ill take care of it |
| 22:08:31 | NetNut404_Work | zuser02: I hope your brodcast was a typo |
| 22:08:32 | kergoth_ | 15:58 < kergoth> TheMasterMind1: hm, wonder if we need the () around the md5, |
| 22:08:35 | kergoth_ | the ) ends up wrapped |
| 22:08:43 | TheMasterMind1 | oh? |
| 22:08:46 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:08:49 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll get rid of it |
| 22:08:49 | Twiun | beattie: it's looking for the rt.jar file |
| 22:08:56 | Twiun | beattie: add that to the classpath too ;-) |
| 22:08:58 | kergoth_ | it wraps in my resolution anyway |
| 22:09:03 | kergoth_ | probably not in higher ones |
| 22:09:06 | kergoth_ | but still |
| 22:09:21 | TheMasterMind1 | <TheMasterMind1> delete all the files on there |
| 22:09:21 | TheMasterMind1 | <TheMasterMind1> and put up a file called use_openzaurus.org |
| 22:09:26 | TheMasterMind1 | <TheMasterMind1> kergoth: will he just host the files or the whole site? we could just have the php pick a random server from a list of mirrors when making the links |
| 22:09:30 | beattie | Twiun: a space between -classpath and the path? |
| 22:09:31 | TheMasterMind1 | <TheMasterMind1> kergoth: and did you figure out how we're going to handle the feeds and stuff? |
| 22:09:32 | TheMasterMind1 | <TheMasterMind1> kergoth: once you have, fix the text and links to the feeds on the donwnloadpage |
| 22:09:50 | zuser02 | NetNut404_Work: 192.168.0.1 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 usbd0 |
| 22:09:53 | Twiun | beattie: yep, so -classpath /path/to/rt.jar:. |
| 22:10:16 | zuser02 | NetNut404_Work: default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usbd0 |
| 22:10:46 | zuser02 | NetNut404_Work: the route command has a long delay before it displays the second line |
| 22:11:05 | beattie | Twiun: /opt/Kaffe/bin/java -classpath ".:/opt/Kaffe/jre/lib" hello |
| 22:11:05 | beattie | Couldn't find or load essential class `java/lang/Object' java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError java/lang/Object |
| 22:11:27 | Twiun | beattie: you forgot to add rt.jar after the path to it |
| 22:11:47 | Twiun | beattie: /opt/Kaffe/bin/java -classpath .:/opt/Kaffe/jre/lib/rt.jar hello |
| 22:12:13 | beattie | Twiun: success! |
| 22:12:17 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:12:21 | TheMasterMind1 | java on OZ? |
| 22:12:23 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 22:12:24 | Twiun | cheers beattie on! |
| 22:12:29 | TheMasterMind1 | that will attract users |
| 22:12:32 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: no gui yet ;-) |
| 22:12:35 | TheMasterMind1 | aw |
| 22:12:37 | TheMasterMind1 | that sucks |
| 22:12:45 | beattie | Now the hard parts, awt and a decent install |
| 22:12:46 | Twiun | easy, easy... it's only the first step |
| 22:12:59 | scanline | GUIs suck, java doesn't need one |
| 22:13:11 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: are you doing this in the buildroot or doing it seperately |
| 22:13:18 | TheMasterMind1 | yes, picogui sucks too |
| 22:13:19 | TheMasterMind1 | its a gui |
| 22:13:23 | Twiun | scanline: for 4mb+ it better damn well have a gui of some kind! |
| 22:13:25 | kergoth | hugs ncurses |
| 22:13:38 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 22:13:44 | beattie | TMM1: currently seperate cause I don;t fully uynderstand buildroot |
| 22:13:45 | TheMasterMind1 | (: |
| 22:13:49 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: ok |
| 22:14:05 | Twiun | kergoth: you know aqpkg dies when removing? well if I remove from the local repository, no crash |
| 22:14:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm defining our directory structure and shit atm |
| 22:14:14 | beattie | TMM1: if soembody wants to walk me thtough it I put it unter buldroot |
| 22:14:17 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: report it please |
| 22:14:20 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: alright |
| 22:14:24 | kergoth | Twiun: um, local is what shows currently installed packages |
| 22:14:27 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: just get it all working and i'll help you do it |
| 22:14:30 | kergoth | Twiun: you cant remove something you dont have :) |
| 22:14:38 | kergoth | Twiun: its by design, but it shouldnt *crash* when you try from a feed |
| 22:14:45 | kergoth | Twiun: add the bug in mantis |
| 22:14:46 | | rumour has it opie bugs is http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 22:14:46 | kergoth | ibot opie bugs |
| 22:14:53 | | i think mantis is the opie bugtracker located at http://opie.info or something that tille says has a life of its own. |
| 22:14:53 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot mantis |
| 22:14:59 | Twiun | kergoth: local-IPKG shows those available with (installed) next to them |
| 22:15:00 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:15:04 | kergoth | Twiun: yes |
| 22:15:08 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: already got an account |
| 22:15:08 | kergoth | lrwxrwxrwx 1 kergoth openzaur 6 Oct 29 14:09 3.0 -> stable |
| 22:15:08 | kergoth | drwxr-sr-x 5 kergoth openzaur 4096 Oct 29 14:14 stable |
| 22:15:08 | kergoth | drwxr-sr-x 5 kergoth openzaur 4096 Oct 29 14:13 testing |
| 22:15:08 | kergoth | drwxr-sr-x 5 kergoth openzaur 4096 Oct 29 14:14 unstable |
| 22:15:21 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:15:22 | beattie | kergoth: when kaffe aborts, it logs me out, I suspect a signal is killing the shell |
| 22:15:23 | Twiun | kergoth: my point is that from local-IPKG, it dies, from local it doesn't |
| 22:15:24 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 22:15:32 | kergoth | Twiun: yes |
| 22:15:34 | kergoth | Twiun: precisely |
| 22:15:41 | kergoth | Twiun: local IPKG is ipks in the docs tab |
| 22:15:57 | kergoth | Twiun: not packages that are installed. it was designed in such a way that local is the way you manipulate currently installedd packages |
| 22:16:01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: so what happened with opie/light and power? |
| 22:16:04 | kergoth | Twiun: but as i said it shouldnt crash, report it |
| 22:16:12 | Twiun | kergoth: right. |
| 22:16:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: they completely revamped it to support the ipaq light sensor |
| 22:16:18 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 22:16:24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and as a result introduced new bugs since its not tested yet |
| 22:16:25 | TheMasterMind1 | so we're using oldver of that too now? |
| 22:16:29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so i reverted the launcher and light & power both |
| 22:16:39 | TheMasterMind1 | what was wrong with launcher? |
| 22:17:09 | kergoth | new light & power depends on new launcher functions |
| 22:17:15 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:17:17 | kergoth | cause of the interdependency i wanted to revert both to a stable state |
| 22:17:27 | kergoth | i'm testing the reverted versions now to ensure they're happy |
| 22:17:33 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds good |
| 22:17:40 | TheMasterMind1 | the new bootup logo works? |
| 22:17:55 | kergoth | yeah, works fine |
| 22:18:01 | kergoth | go ahead and flash one of those kernels and take a look |
| 22:18:07 | kergoth | no more jaggies |
| 22:18:08 | noda | Moo! |
| 22:18:25 | Ghent19 | is putting the new kernel to the test... ;) |
| 22:18:27 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: fix this ul crap |
| 22:18:28 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 22:18:35 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Erm... which is that? |
| 22:18:58 | noda | I'd like to apologise to everyone in advance if I say something mean - I'm in a very bad mood today :) |
| 22:19:13 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: haha |
| 22:19:13 | egv | heh |
| 22:19:15 | scanline | DCCs noda a frappucino |
| 22:19:25 | noda | slupr.s |
| 22:19:29 | noda | *slurps |
| 22:19:42 | kergoth | mm frappuccino |
| 22:19:43 | kergoth | okay guys |
| 22:19:46 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: look at download.php and installguide.php , the OL is leftpadded, the UL isn't |
| 22:19:52 | kergoth | wireless configuration in networksetup is smooth |
| 22:19:53 | TheMasterMind1 | and both have too much top padding, and not enough bottom pading |
| 22:19:53 | kergoth | no probs |
| 22:20:04 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 22:20:11 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Okay |
| 22:20:15 | noda | kergoth: Ooh, it booted? :) |
| 22:20:21 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: also, zsi is going to be stealing our design :) |
| 22:20:23 | egv | woohoo! |
| 22:20:24 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Fun :) |
| 22:20:53 | noda | It's about time, zsi is ugly :) |
| 22:20:57 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:21:09 | kergoth | fuck me |
| 22:21:13 | TheMasterMind1 | oh crap |
| 22:21:14 | noda | kergoth: Not right now, thanks. |
| 22:21:16 | egv | ruh roh |
| 22:21:17 | cbok | kergoth - no thanks. |
| 22:21:19 | kergoth | stabs self with a sharp jagged instrument |
| 22:21:26 | badalex | lol |
| 22:21:31 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: what happen |
| 22:21:34 | scanline | if you didn't chew on the stylus so much it wouldn't be so jagged |
| 22:21:48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:21:54 | Ghent19 | kergoth: its working... looks like that was the prob =) |
| 22:22:19 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: also, look at download.php, any way to make both the zimage tables the same widht? |
| 22:22:59 | cbok | kergoth: tho i understand that if you shower, noda might be interested in some on the side activities |
| 22:23:04 | cbok | but... thats only a rumor |
| 22:23:07 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Erm... could make a width=100% thing.... |
| 22:23:14 | kergoth | shudders and stabs cbok |
| 22:23:18 | cbok | :-D |
| 22:23:21 | egv | heh |
| 22:23:22 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: hmm, yea,but we don't want it the whole width |
| 22:23:28 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno what to do with that |
| 22:23:29 | datenPUNK | Q: which initrd should be used with oz3? or is the file nt up yet? |
| 22:23:30 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll think about it |
| 22:23:33 | TheMasterMind1 | fix the ul stuff |
| 22:23:36 | TheMasterMind1 | datenPUNK: not up yet |
| 22:23:39 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I still haven't figured out how to end up doing that db_print_table() but it might encompass these tables too. |
| 22:23:42 | datenPUNK | thx |
| 22:23:45 | beattie | kaffe-awt-qt wants a QTDIR to build against any hints as to wich dit in buildroot to use? |
| 22:23:47 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: alright |
| 22:23:58 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: hmm? |
| 22:24:05 | TheMasterMind1 | laptop:/zaurus/buildroot# ls build/qt-2.3.4-beta2/ |
| 22:24:10 | TheMasterMind1 | that dir is the QTDIR |
| 22:24:14 | TheMasterMind1 | build/opie is the OPIEDIR |
| 22:24:17 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: what happened? |
| 22:24:23 | beattie | TMM1: ok |
| 22:24:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: look in #zauurs |
| 22:24:43 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 22:24:46 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit |
| 22:24:49 | TheMasterMind1 | grrs |
| 22:24:50 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Ever heard of <th>'s? |
| 22:24:50 | kergoth | it *works* |
| 22:24:52 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Fixed the OLs |
| 22:24:55 | kergoth | but you cant set a static ip config on wireless |
| 22:25:03 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: no, whats that :) |
| 22:25:03 | egv | hmm... there's a /usr/lib/ipkg dir on my cf card that has an info and lists subdir in it, both of which are empty. I have no idea how that dir got there. any reason not to vaporize it, since I'll be flashing my z soon anyway? |
| 22:25:11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: damn |
| 22:25:26 | noda | TheMasterMind1: <tr><th>file</th><th>size</th><th>md5</th></tr> |
| 22:25:36 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, i didn't want that |
| 22:25:47 | TheMasterMind1 | its obvious what the columns are |
| 22:25:49 | noda | Those filenames are way too big... |
| 22:25:51 | TheMasterMind1 | i wanted to label the type of file |
| 22:25:59 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: no, they're idiot proof and just fine |
| 22:26:07 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I mean, try it at 800x600. |
| 22:26:21 | noda | I'm at about 1000 pixels wide and they're WAY too big. |
| 22:26:31 | noda | Even at 90% page size. |
| 22:27:00 | TheMasterMind1 | looks fine to me.. |
| 22:27:09 | TheMasterMind1 | we can move md5 under the filename.. |
| 22:27:09 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Browse at 800x600. |
| 22:27:18 | noda | Can do that. Can also not put the filename... |
| 22:27:22 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: i am, i resized to 800x600 |
| 22:27:27 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: we need the filename |
| 22:27:34 | noda | Why not just say "16MB memory, 16 MB storage" or something. |
| 22:27:35 | TheMasterMind1 | it'll get confusing otherwise |
| 22:27:45 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: no, it'll get confusing for the stupid people |
| 22:27:49 | Ghent19 | hey, what do you reccommend the SD card formatted as, ext2? |
| 22:28:13 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Find me a stupid person who would understand the filename and not "16MB memory, 16MB storage". |
| 22:28:44 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: just leave the filenames alone |
| 22:28:53 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:29:13 | noda | Also, the download page has no initrd's. |
| 22:29:40 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, because they're not done yet |
| 22:29:46 | scanline | what the hell... now when I press enter in a field widget I'm getting three events instead of one |
| 22:29:48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: so do we wait or what? |
| 22:30:01 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: sounds like a bug :0) |
| 22:30:07 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: I hope so |
| 22:30:29 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:30:33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: so do we wait or what? |
| 22:30:38 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: I wonder how well the ncurses driver for picogui would run on the zaurus :) |
| 22:30:39 | noda | Run-on sentence in download.php - search for 'The second storage medium' |
| 22:30:41 | kergoth_ | ibot: message for benmeyer: 3) in usbd0 Configuration, cannot hit the OK button to save config, can only hit X. |
| 22:30:52 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: ok |
| 22:31:06 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 22:31:12 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: I dont want to hold up the release, but not being able to configure interfaces is a pretty major issue |
| 22:31:17 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: I'm digging into the code atm |
| 22:31:22 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: if we can fix the fucking thing, we're set |
| 22:31:29 | noda | 'volatile' isn't really the word you want either :) |
| 22:31:40 | kergoth_ | noda: just fix it then |
| 22:31:43 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 22:31:50 | noda | I'm in a bad mood, don't want to do anything. |
| 22:31:57 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll fix it |
| 22:32:00 | TheMasterMind1 | whats a better word |
| 22:32:08 | noda | lol, no clue. |
| 22:32:12 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: push the fixes to ul/ol crap |
| 22:32:13 | scanline | aha... stupid event handler |
| 22:32:18 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: he did |
| 22:32:19 | noda | TheMasterMind1: It's fixed on openzaurus.org. |
| 22:32:29 | kergoth_ | likes cvs logs mailing lists |
| 22:32:31 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: ok |
| 22:33:04 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: how do i put some text a link under the link to the zImage file without using a <br \. |
| 22:33:04 | noda | I know - just take out the frickin' adjective. "this space will be erased when a full reset takes place" |
| 22:33:05 | TheMasterMind1 | > |
| 22:33:46 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I guess you'd use a br... or just write it, the web browser will do the wrapping. |
| 22:33:56 | kergoth_ | actually |
| 22:33:59 | kergoth_ | volitile is the correct word |
| 22:34:13 | kergoth_ | only negative i see there is you dont mention that RAM used as ram is different than RAM used for storage |
| 22:34:27 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Don't worry about the grammar on download.php, I'll go through it later. |
| 22:35:19 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 22:35:22 | Dessimat0r | oz3? |
| 22:35:33 | noda | Dessimat0r: /topic :) |
| 22:35:40 | kergoth_ | well |
| 22:35:43 | Neo|Work | kergoth_: hrm. seems like when things lock up it's some io wait issue |
| 22:35:43 | kergoth_ | the thing of it is |
| 22:35:50 | Neo|Work | because I can't kill the processes from a ssh shell |
| 22:35:53 | kergoth_ | everything is great except for the networksetup app. again. |
| 22:35:57 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: uninterruptable? |
| 22:36:02 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: you running the apps from cf/sd or what? |
| 22:36:08 | noda | So how about we have everyone on this channel hack at it until it works? :P |
| 22:36:13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:36:15 | cbok | where's that benmurphy character? |
| 22:36:18 | kergoth_ | ben meyer |
| 22:36:26 | | somebody said benmeyer was the guy that works at Sharp with Jason and runs the zauruszone feed and howtos |
| 22:36:26 | kergoth_ | ibot: benmeyer |
| 22:36:26 | Neo|Work | kergoth_: well, I can't kill qpe for example |
| 22:36:31 | cbok | right benmurphy-meyer |
| 22:36:34 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: whats the best way to implement a download counter? |
| 22:36:35 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: 'D' state? |
| 22:36:38 | TheMasterMind1 | http://openzaurus.org/oz_tmm1/content/download.php |
| 22:36:40 | TheMasterMind1 | that fine? |
| 22:36:48 | Neo|Work | kergoth_: yes |
| 22:36:50 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Never done it... however you want I guess. It'd be DB-driven... |
| 22:36:56 | Neo|Work | or zombie |
| 22:37:01 | celloboy | how often are packages compiled from cvs? |
| 22:37:03 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: hm, nasa used to get uninterruptable processes regularly |
| 22:37:05 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Don't we get access to httpd access logs on sf.net? |
| 22:37:06 | Neo|Work | 10 root D [kupdated] |
| 22:37:06 | Neo|Work | 11 root D [swapper] |
| 22:37:07 | kergoth_ | celloboy: whenever i compile them |
| 22:37:14 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: those are harmless |
| 22:37:14 | Neo|Work | that is not good |
| 22:37:19 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: ignore kernel threads |
| 22:37:27 | kergoth_ | but the processes, i'm concerned with |
| 22:37:28 | kergoth_ | hm |
| 22:37:33 | scan[pg] | whee.... |
| 22:37:38 | Neo|Work | they aren't harmless because they are locked up in the same way really |
| 22:37:40 | scan[pg] | this looks cool |
| 22:37:42 | kergoth_ | nasa used to get uninterruptables on apps running from Sd, when he needed to fsck |
| 22:37:46 | datenPUNK | TheMasterMind1: You have to wrap the download through a script. Inside the script you set the headers and do a readfile |
| 22:37:47 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Works much better. |
| 22:37:50 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: uninterruptable does not imply hung. |
| 22:37:58 | Neo|Work | btw, trigger in this case seems to have been connected to network, removing the cable |
| 22:37:58 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: not necessarily anyway |
| 22:38:09 | Neo|Work | well, in this case it does it seems |
| 22:38:09 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: hm |
| 22:38:12 | kergoth_ | ? |
| 22:38:14 | Neo|Work | I know what it means in general |
| 22:38:16 | datenPUNK | TheMasterMind1: Additionally you increase a counter - wherever (db, text file,...) |
| 22:38:21 | kergoth_ | you cannot guarantee that kupdated is hung |
| 22:38:25 | kergoth_ | you're speculating |
| 22:38:29 | kergoth_ | what you know, is qpe is hung |
| 22:38:31 | Neo|Work | trying to run 'sync' hangs as well btw |
| 22:38:42 | kergoth_ | i'd say theres a 80% chance its a jffs2 issue |
| 22:38:47 | scan[pg] | takes a screenshot |
| 22:38:48 | Neo|Work | qpe, ipkg, sa11-usbd... |
| 22:38:54 | celloboy | my z writes to my 256 mb sandisk SD card very very slow... does anybody know whether this is a hardware or software problem? |
| 22:39:02 | kergoth_ | celloboy: hardware. |
| 22:39:07 | Neo|Work | kergoth_: if so, any clue why it would just have started happening?! |
| 22:39:07 | noda | TheMasterMind1: To do a counter just use... er... I think it's fpassthru() or something. And the top of the script increments a counter, preferably in the db. But it'd be better if we just had access to the httpd access logs... |
| 22:39:08 | celloboy | ok thougth so |
| 22:39:19 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: not offhand, no. does a reboot clear the behavior? |
| 22:39:27 | Neo|Work | yeah |
| 22:39:29 | scan[pg] | http://picogui.org/download/xchat_pgedit.png |
| 22:39:36 | Neo|Work | I'm rebooting now because I want to test something |
| 22:39:38 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: can you reproduce this reliably? |
| 22:39:40 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: k |
| 22:39:55 | Neo|Work | reliably, not really, can I reproduce it, most certainly |
| 22:40:06 | Neo|Work | it happens often |
| 22:40:19 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Sorry, not fpassthru() - readfile() |
| 22:40:34 | noda | TheMasterMind1: It'd be nice to send some helpful headers too (with header()) |
| 22:40:43 | Neo|Work | hrm. running 'reboot' didn't work |
| 22:40:49 | Neo|Work | had to "reset' it |
| 22:40:54 | Dessimat0r | watch out, there is an execution time of 30 seconds by default |
| 22:41:00 | Dessimat0r | thats not enough for 56k users to dl OZ in |
| 22:41:01 | NetNut404_Work | zuser02: so it still can't ping ? |
| 22:41:05 | Ghent19 | Hey, in the date/time i have it set to 17:30 yet it still shows AM and its grayed out... |
| 22:41:11 | noda | i.e., header("Content-Type: application/octet-stream"); |
| 22:41:16 | datenPUNK | Dessimator: The script has executed when the download runs |
| 22:41:16 | kergoth_ | Ghent19: disable 24hr mode |
| 22:41:36 | kergoth_ | Ghent19: i dont see what the problem is? |
| 22:41:37 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 22:41:38 | Ghent19 | oh, does it do that in there? i prefer 24 actually |
| 22:41:47 | Dessimat0r | i know it executes, it passes a file through to the browser |
| 22:41:49 | kergoth_ | then whats the problem with am/pm being greyed out? heh |
| 22:41:49 | Ghent19 | just tried cliking it to pm and it wouldnt let me |
| 22:41:55 | Dessimat0r | but if the sending takes longer than 30 seconds |
| 22:41:56 | kergoth_ | dood |
| 22:42:00 | kergoth_ | there is no 17:00pm |
| 22:42:02 | kergoth_ | :P |
| 22:42:04 | Dessimat0r | it will time out |
| 22:42:08 | Boog | lol |
| 22:42:17 | kergoth_ | smacks Ghent19 on general primciple |
| 22:42:21 | kergoth_ | s/rim/rin/ |
| 22:42:22 | datenPUNK | Dessimat0r: Yes and this won't last 30 seconds normally |
| 22:42:28 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:42:40 | Dessimat0r | to download OpenZaurus? What about 56k users? |
| 22:43:18 | noda | Yeah, you can set script execution time too, good point... |
| 22:43:27 | datenPUNK | Dessimat0r: When the download starts the script execution is over - the data has been passed. |
| 22:43:35 | Dessimat0r | no |
| 22:43:37 | noda | datenPUNK: No. |
| 22:43:43 | Dessimat0r | it continually executes |
| 22:43:48 | Dessimat0r | until the download is complete |
| 22:43:55 | Dessimat0r | I've done this before |
| 22:43:56 | Twiun | kergoth_: found the problems with themes... |
| 22:43:56 | noda | set_time_limit(0) before doing the readfile(). |
| 22:44:00 | Dessimat0r | I made an anti-leech script |
| 22:44:04 | kergoth_ | Twiun: what was it? |
| 22:44:17 | Dessimat0r | w00t, I'll make a note of that :D |
| 22:44:18 | noda | datenPUNK: readfile() is only done when the file transfer is complete. Which can take time. |
| 22:44:19 | Twiun | kergoth_: theme changing just won't work if you have the tabs placed at the bottom |
| 22:44:20 | Dessimat0r | I need it |
| 22:44:25 | kergoth_ | Twiun: lol |
| 22:44:32 | Twiun | kergoth_: otherwise, it's peachy |
| 22:45:02 | noda | had the most annoying time with a secure PDF-supplying site... |
| 22:45:04 | Twiun | goes to pay mantis a visit |
| 22:45:11 | datenPUNK | really - I'm really upset - I do php all day but it seems that I never ran into this problem. So maybe the file where to short. SORRY |
| 22:45:35 | noda | datenPUNK: No need to be upset :) |
| 22:45:51 | noda | Or sorry. |
| 22:46:21 | beattie | phooey, the kaffe-awt-qt is against qt-3...hmmmmm |
| 22:46:45 | noda | Migrate to qt3! :) |
| 22:46:51 | noda | And gcc-3.2 and glibc-2.3! :) |
| 22:46:58 | scanline | yeah! |
| 22:47:02 | celloboy | yeah |
| 22:47:03 | scanline | wants gcc-3.2 |
| 22:47:19 | datenPUNK | noda: I don't understand 99% of the talking here - and then the topic hits my profession - and I fail :( - ;) |
| 22:47:25 | noda | datenPUNK: Hehehe |
| 22:47:33 | scan[pg] | yay for gcc 3.2 |
| 22:48:13 | Dessimat0r | the downloads script i desgned looks at the filetype of each file, and gives it an icon according to what it is ;) |
| 22:48:18 | Dessimat0r | also allows users to rate the file |
| 22:48:35 | noda | Blegh. I hate those things :) |
| 22:48:46 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 22:48:47 | noda | If I want a file, I click on it, dammit :P |
| 22:49:40 | datenPUNK | Dessimat0r: how much icons are that? i thought abou that but then I thought that would be too much work |
| 22:50:05 | Twiun | beattie: yup... how are you feeling about back-porting it? |
| 22:50:06 | noda | Apache comes with the icons and the mime types are in your httpd.conf. |
| 22:50:31 | noda | Or something like that. |
| 22:50:40 | datenPUNK | noda: yes but not the pretty word icon I guess? |
| 22:50:47 | coup-afk | kergoth: nice new comment :P |
| 22:50:58 | kergoth_ | coup-afk: ? |
| 22:51:09 | noda | Heh |
| 22:51:13 | beattie | Twiun: first I doing a web search to make sure that something else does not exist, then I'll look a back porting |
| 22:51:18 | noda | datenPUNK: I don't know, I hate images. |
| 22:51:19 | coup-afk | "Developers help those who help themselves" |
| 22:51:23 | kergoth_ | ah yeah |
| 22:51:23 | kergoth_ | :) |
| 22:51:29 | celloboy | speaking of icons |
| 22:51:35 | coup | think i'll put that on our support pages in the office :) |
| 22:51:39 | datenPUNK | the anoying thing about some download wrappers is that it don't works to copy the url and to paste it into the ssh shell for wget |
| 22:51:53 | kergoth_ | GEH |
| 22:51:56 | kergoth_ | is angry with networksetup |
| 22:52:11 | celloboy | is there a conf file that maps different icons to different .desktop files? |
| 22:52:22 | noda | celloboy: The .desktop files. |
| 22:52:53 | celloboy | noda: but for example, opie-player's .desktop contains icon=MPEGPlayer or something |
| 22:52:59 | celloboy | noda: it's not an actual file path |
| 22:53:06 | noda | celloboy: Oh. |
| 22:53:08 | beattie | Twiun: not finding anything except some references to trolltech includinf qtawt in QTembedded, I assume that is not the version OZ uses |
| 22:53:15 | noda | Bah, dunno. |
| 22:53:56 | Twiun | beattie: nope |
| 22:54:12 | Twiun | beattie: OZ uses qt2.3.2 (?) |
| 22:54:29 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 22:54:40 | beattie | Twiun: so I guess the first thing to to try to figure out waht has changed. I've played a little with QT before, so I guess I get to learn more :) |
| 22:54:51 | Twiun | beattie: perfect attitude ;-) |
| 22:55:27 | TheMasterMind1 | is back |
| 22:55:29 | beattie | Well I'm unemployed, so what else do I have to do :) |
| 22:55:30 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, i know how to do a counter |
| 22:55:35 | TheMasterMind1 | but i don't want to use a file |
| 22:55:43 | Twiun | beattie: you too? bloody hell ;-) |
| 22:55:43 | TheMasterMind1 | and if i do db driven, how do i keep track of filename |
| 22:55:54 | noda | TheMasterMind1: In the database... |
| 22:55:59 | TheMasterMind1 | since the filenames don't change across versions |
| 22:56:22 | noda | TheMasterMind1: We'll have to "know" what version is what in the DB then. |
| 22:57:04 | datenPUNK | TheMasterMind1: suggestion - maybe the last change of the file |
| 22:57:28 | datenPUNK | but that's a hack |
| 22:57:41 | noda | Hell, why don't we just put a .htaccess in the zImage location and tell it to log? |
| 22:58:16 | kergoth_ | Twiun: qt 2.3.4 beta2 technically. but we used to use qt/e 2.3.2! :) |
| 22:58:26 | Twiun | lol |
| 22:58:35 | kergoth_ | cmon networksetup |
| 22:58:35 | kergoth_ | work |
| 22:58:37 | kergoth_ | !! |
| 22:58:45 | coup | prays |
| 22:58:52 | Dessimat0r | prays |
| 22:58:53 | egv | groans |
| 22:58:58 | Twiun | kergoth_: one day I'll put the buildroot on my box... but not this week ;-) |
| 22:59:00 | celloboy | prays |
| 22:59:06 | celloboy | doesn't know what he's praying for |
| 22:59:09 | noda | leaves. |
| 22:59:09 | coup | tells egv off for trying to pervert things |
| 22:59:19 | egv | lol |
| 22:59:22 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_: smack it around some more |
| 22:59:24 | kergoth_ | cmon damnit |
| 22:59:27 | kergoth_ | i am |
| 22:59:27 | Ghent19 | where can u get the buildroot? and is there a doc about what flags etc to use when compiling? |
| 22:59:30 | kergoth_ | hrmph |
| 22:59:33 | | oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
| 22:59:33 | kergoth_ | ibot oz bk |
| 22:59:34 | | i heard oz buildroot was see oz bk |
| 22:59:34 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz buildroot |
| 22:59:34 | Dessimat0r | prays to the almighty God of !dratsab |
| 22:59:38 | | kergoth_: i'm not following you... |
| 22:59:38 | kergoth_ | ibot oz snapshots |
| 22:59:40 | | oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile my own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 22:59:40 | kergoth_ | ibot oz snapshot |
| 22:59:42 | Ghent19 | keel |
| 22:59:42 | coup | does the "make everything ni buildroot work" dance |
| 22:59:43 | Ghent19 | err kewl |
| 23:00:19 | Twiun | I just love the fact opie doesn't restart each time I un/install stuff |
| 23:00:32 | coup | :) |
| 23:02:22 | TheMasterMind1 | everyone in standby battle positions |
| 23:02:31 | Dessimat0r | except when you install or uninstall an applet |
| 23:02:40 | coup | takes his position on the exit |
| 23:02:44 | TheMasterMind1 | we need someone at ./ and someone at zsi |
| 23:02:47 | coup | no-one is getting out until it works :) |
| 23:02:53 | Dessimat0r | injects himself with carpet clean...steroids |
| 23:03:03 | coup | lol |
| 23:03:08 | jmhodges | lol |
| 23:03:14 | egv | holy shit... |
| 23:03:30 | egv | my company just got bought out |
| 23:03:31 | TheMasterMind1 | shit that's holy? where? |
| 23:03:35 | Dessimat0r | <Super Buu>FEEL MY POWER</Super Buu> |
| 23:03:46 | kergoth_ | egv: ack |
| 23:03:47 | egv | is stunned |
| 23:03:54 | TheMasterMind1 | egv: company you own or company you work at |
| 23:04:00 | coup | egv: lol, happens to my lot about once every 6 months, well, did until Thomson Financial got us, only Reuters left i think |
| 23:04:04 | egv | TheMasterMind1: company I work at |
| 23:05:21 | coup | i've been working at my place 3 years, started as CMA, contracting for ICV, got bought by ICV which then merged with Datastream (Datastream/ICV), which got bought out by Primark, which got bought out by Thomson Financial. |
| 23:05:28 | Dessimat0r | charges up his AT-field |
| 23:05:31 | coup | nothing really seems to change |
| 23:05:41 | Twiun | lol |
| 23:05:52 | egv | well.. that's a moral booster ;) |
| 23:06:02 | Twiun | coup: not looking for any Java devs by any chance? |
| 23:06:04 | coup | few redundancies, management become less connected with the workforce, people complain a bit more |
| 23:06:05 | Dessimat0r | connects the A54 nerve connections |
| 23:06:06 | Twiun | winks |
| 23:06:10 | Twiun | nudges coup |
| 23:06:30 | coup | Twiun: fraid not, tho, when I tell my boss i'm leaving on Friday, they'll need a new Project Manager |
| 23:06:34 | egv | heh... it's a long line, Twiun |
| 23:06:39 | Twiun | lol |
| 23:06:41 | Dessimat0r | Oh my god - the pulses are flowing backwards |
| 23:06:42 | Twiun | drat |
| 23:07:01 | Twiun | coup: project management? darts on a calendar, right? |
| 23:07:06 | coup | Dessimat0r: quick, run, she's gonna blow. or something |
| 23:07:17 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=43045 |
| 23:07:17 | coup | Twiun: something like that ;) |
| 23:07:18 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: :) |
| 23:07:52 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:07:54 | Dessimat0r | lol, this page is not appreciated - f*** off. |
| 23:07:58 | egv | heh |
| 23:08:01 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:08:01 | kergoth_ | *deprecated* |
| 23:08:02 | kergoth_ | look it up |
| 23:08:03 | kergoth_ | :) |
| 23:08:47 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_: hahah |
| 23:08:52 | scanline | Anybody that writes libraries and wants to piss off their users has to know what 'deprecated' means |
| 23:09:08 | egv | raises hand |
| 23:09:10 | egv | I know ;) |
| 23:09:16 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:09:36 | Dessimat0r | this page is no longer used, would be better ;) |
| 23:09:52 | Twiun | scanline: can't wait for Sun to deprecate all their old shit ;-) |
| 23:10:11 | egv | Twiun: no kidding. there's a lot of crap floating around |
| 23:10:43 | Twiun | egv: Yeah... 20mb for runtime classes is taking the piss |
| 23:10:47 | Dessimat0r | type !diablos to summon Diablos, Lord of Terror |
| 23:10:52 | egv | TheMasterMind1: so will older images be added to the oz.org download page at some point? |
| 23:11:02 | TheMasterMind1 | egv: no |
| 23:11:07 | TheMasterMind1 | egv: older images = crap |
| 23:11:22 | coup | OK, in the openzaurus.org feeds section there is "stable, unstable, testing" and then official/stable, official/unstable, official/testing - any difference? |
| 23:11:25 | Dessimat0r | and people will want halp using them |
| 23:11:31 | Dessimat0r | help |
| 23:11:36 | Dessimat0r | stupid people ;) |
| 23:11:59 | Dessimat0r | when they could just a get a later build that fixes their problem |
| 23:12:12 | coup | !diablos |
| 23:12:16 | egv | Dessimat0r: true. that's assuming that the current build works, tho |
| 23:12:18 | Diablos | grrwaaaf |
| 23:12:23 | Diablos | who summoned me? |
| 23:12:44 | coup | Diablos: me, bring it on suckor! |
| 23:12:52 | Diablos | YOU PUNY MORTAL |
| 23:13:02 | Diablos | stamps on coup |
| 23:13:10 | egv | gets some popcorn |
| 23:13:15 | coup | Diablos: puny? good coming from you, punk bitch! |
| 23:13:24 | coup | chews Diablos' toe! |
| 23:13:30 | Diablos | Damn you! |
| 23:13:32 | Diablos | that hurt |
| 23:13:36 | coup | muhahaha |
| 23:13:37 | Diablos | Eat them |
| 23:13:48 | Diablos | s/them/this ;) |
| 23:14:02 | Diablos | pulls out a machine gun |
| 23:14:04 | coup | lol, Diablos, Lord of Typos! |
| 23:14:11 | Diablos | Indeed. |
| 23:14:15 | coup | does some matrix stylee dodging |
| 23:14:18 | NetNut404_Work | lol |
| 23:14:32 | Diablos | *LECOS VINOS WECOS VETOSEX* |
| 23:14:41 | Diablos | summons lightning from the sky |
| 23:14:49 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 23:14:54 | jmhodges | tries to remember where thats from |
| 23:14:55 | coup | gets into his car |
| 23:15:06 | Twiun | right... any qcop command I can send opie to redraw itself? |
| 23:15:07 | coup | is now safe from lightning |
| 23:15:29 | Diablos | Puny mortal? YOU DO NOT REALISE? Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinosec |
| 23:15:34 | coup | so, anyway, back to my previous question regarding the feeds? kergoth? TMM? |
| 23:15:36 | Diablos | that is from somewhere |
| 23:15:39 | Diablos | guess my chant |
| 23:15:42 | TheMasterMind1 | coup: ask it again |
| 23:15:43 | Diablos | and you may survive |
| 23:15:52 | TheMasterMind1 | Diablos: um? |
| 23:16:05 | scan[pg] | Wow, even annoying people look good when antialiased |
| 23:16:14 | kergoth_ | scan[pg]: hah |
| 23:16:16 | coup | TMM: OK, in the openzaurus.org feeds section there is "stable, unstable, testing" and then official/stable, official/unstable, official/testing - any difference? |
| 23:16:17 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:16:22 | Diablos | curls up and dies |
| 23:16:42 | TheMasterMind1 | coup: no, i don't think so. kergoth's restructuring all the directories |
| 23:16:42 | scan[pg] | should probably go back to trying to make this code crash instead of actually using it... |
| 23:16:43 | kergoth_ | coup: they're symlinks |
| 23:16:55 | kergoth_ | coup: feeds/unstable *is* official/unstable/feed/ |
| 23:16:57 | coup | Diablos' quote was from final fantasy 8 |
| 23:16:58 | kergoth_ | coup: :) |
| 23:17:05 | Dessimat0r | yup |
| 23:17:06 | coup | kergoth: sweet :) |
| 23:17:06 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:17:11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_: any luck with networksetup? |
| 23:17:12 | kergoth_ | coup: kept the links around for compatibility |
| 23:17:19 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: flashing another image now, trying to add some debug info |
| 23:17:23 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:17:23 | scanline | hehe, that was fun.. maybe after x11accel is written and that thing gets tabs I'll switch to that as my full-time IRC client |
| 23:17:27 | TheMasterMind1 | why do you have to reflash? |
| 23:17:46 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: i dont have to, wanted to test a couple minor things as well |
| 23:17:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:18:12 | coup | kergoth: and 3.0 is linked to which? stable? |
| 23:18:21 | TheMasterMind1 | coup: yes |
| 23:18:28 | coup | ta :) |
| 23:18:38 | coup | just setting up my ipkg.conf, dont want redundancy :) |
| 23:18:39 | Twiun | guys... no-one has any ideas for qcop? |
| 23:18:57 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_: hmm, is bootwhatever.txt needed to flash or not |
| 23:19:06 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: not required, afaict |
| 23:19:11 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:19:17 | TheMasterMind1 | so just remove references to it? |
| 23:19:31 | TheMasterMind1 | one less thing to confuse the users about |
| 23:19:56 | kergoth_ | hmm, may as well |
| 23:20:20 | beattie | since it will be a little while before I get awt working should kaffe be cleaned up and put into buildroot in the mean time? |
| 23:20:36 | kergoth_ | beattie: sure, why not |
| 23:20:50 | kergoth_ | its a convenient way to get ipks built for things |
| 23:20:57 | kergoth_ | anjd a single place to store compilation commands for things |
| 23:21:28 | beattie | kergoth_: any hints/howto's, or just follow the examples allready done |
| 23:21:30 | Twiun | beattie: sure, go for it |
| 23:21:38 | celloboy | sidplayer should be in the oz feed |
| 23:22:00 | kergoth_ | beattie: you building one ipk or more than one from it? |
| 23:23:20 | beattie | kergoth_: kaffe would be one, awt would probaly be seperate |
| 23:23:31 | Twiun | beattie: good idea |
| 23:23:42 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: does gui work with it yet? |
| 23:23:43 | kergoth_ | well one step at a time |
| 23:23:49 | TheMasterMind1 | celloboy: what's sidplayer? |
| 23:23:50 | kergoth_ | look to pakcages/ipkg as a starting point |
| 23:24:09 | beattie | TMM1: no I need to backport from qt3 |
| 23:24:19 | Dessimat0r | sidplayer 0wnz, C64 music player |
| 23:24:35 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: oh joy |
| 23:24:55 | beattie | TMM1: my thoughts exactally :) |
| 23:25:36 | datenPUNK | hey - what keeps the initrd from beeing uploaded? - It's 12:30 am here - and I _have_ to flash my zaurus tonight ;)) |
| 23:25:58 | celloboy | TheMasterMind1: http://stud4.tuwien.ac.at/~e9326522/sidplayer/ |
| 23:26:06 | kergoth_ | datenPUNK: well, the netowrksetup app doesnt work for shit right now due to 3 outstanding bugs i just found |
| 23:26:24 | celloboy | it's a SID player for the zaurus |
| 23:26:28 | celloboy | plays c64 .sid files |
| 23:26:28 | Dessimat0r | sidplayer has such well-codedness |
| 23:26:28 | badalex | kergoth_: you just found! |
| 23:26:32 | celloboy | yes |
| 23:26:32 | Dessimat0r | and a good GUI |
| 23:26:50 | TheMasterMind1 | interesting |
| 23:27:12 | datenPUNK | kergoth_: oh - that's bad - so I'll keep working on my things - the tense devloper atmosphere here keeps me productive ;) |
| 23:27:18 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 23:28:08 | kergoth_ | hrmph |
| 23:36:20 | coup | TMM: FWIW, this isn't good english: Ports of OpenZaurus to other PDAs is imminent, should be are imminent |
| 23:36:24 | Dessimat0r | netschplit |
| 23:36:26 | beattie | is back (gone 00:04:14) |
| 23:36:26 | TheMasterMind1 | beats networksetup with a physics book |
| 23:36:58 | TheMasterMind1 | coup: ok, will fix |
| 23:36:58 | TheMasterMind1 | DaJoker: wassup |
| 23:37:26 | DaJoker | howdy |
| 23:40:18 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: change PDAs to "PDAs and/or other embedded systems" as well |
| 23:42:52 | scanline | wants openzaurus on his VR3, Tuxscreen, laptop, and coffee pot |
| 23:43:17 | cbok | scanline, networksetup has to work first |
| 23:43:32 | cbok | scanline - THEN and only then can you install it on those devices |
| 23:44:54 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 23:45:17 | scanline | oh, ok |
| 23:45:35 | kergoth_ | putting oz on the tuxscreen would be easy, just swipe a couple makefiles from the tuxscreen buildroot |
| 23:45:43 | kergoth_ | add the kernels for those devices and thats about it realy |
| 23:46:53 | Twiun | pfew |
| 23:47:03 | Twiun | I thought he was really gonna come in here ;-) |
| 23:47:15 | Dessimat0r | ? |
| 23:47:25 | Twiun | Sniper... I was making a joke |
| 23:47:31 | Twiun | Ha. Ha. Ha |
| 23:47:34 | Twiun | nevermind ;-) |
| 23:47:42 | datenPUNK | Is Sniper the php Sniper? |
| 23:47:52 | kergoth_ | Sniper is a sharp employee |
| 23:47:57 | kergoth_ | spencer huang |
| 23:48:10 | kergoth_ | guy in charge of their developer program, not a programmer |
| 23:48:17 | TheMasterMind1 | mm |
| 23:48:22 | Twiun | with his unfortunate choice of names - which predates all that nastiness btw |
| 23:48:27 | kergoth_ | yeah |
| 23:49:17 | TheMasterMind1 | who is the php sniper? |
| 23:53:06 | datenPUNK | TheMasterMind1: just a guy in the php core team |
| 23:53:30 | egv | I've got what's probably a stupid cf card reader question... anyone feel like fielding it? |
| 23:53:42 | celloboy | i'll try |
| 23:53:45 | TheMasterMind1 | arm-linux-gcc -D_REENTRANT -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_REENTRANT -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -Ilibmpdemux -Iloader -Ilibvo -I/zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/include -o mplayer mplayer.o mp_msg.o cpudetect.o codec-cfg.o cfgparser.o my_profile.o spudec.o playtree.o playtreeparser.o asxparser.o vobsub.o subreader.o sub_cc.o find_sub.o unrarlib.o mixer.o libvo/libvo.a libao2/libao2.a libmpc |
| 23:53:45 | TheMasterMind1 | codecs.a mp3lib/libMP3.a liba52/liba52.a libmpeg2/libmpeg2.a libaf/libaf.a libmpdemux/libmpdemux.a input/libinput.a postproc/libpostproc.a linux/libosdep.a -Llibmpdvdkit2 -lmpdvdkit libavcodec/libavcodec.a -lz -lnsl -lnsl -L/zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/lib/ -Llpthread -ldl -rdynamic -lm |
| 23:53:50 | badalex | kergoth_: so i guess no oz3 tonight :( |
| 23:53:51 | TheMasterMind1 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 23:53:56 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i make it use arm-linux-ld |
| 23:54:03 | kergoth_ | badalex: well, it depends. if i can get it fixed.. |
| 23:54:05 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: it is |
| 23:54:09 | badalex | kergoth_: lol |
| 23:54:11 | badalex | oh |
| 23:54:16 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: its using /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/arm-linux/bin/ld |
| 23:54:19 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: you just dont see it |
| 23:54:23 | coup | unrelated to OZ, but someone might know: a good system for document management via a web browser? any ideas?? |
| 23:54:24 | egv | celloboy: okay, I just bought a dazzle 6-in-1 reader, hooked it up to the usb port, and mounted it to /mnt/usbcf... |
| 23:54:24 | badalex | crosses his fingers |
| 23:54:27 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: its a different problem |
| 23:54:38 | celloboy | egv: lol, i just bought one of those today |
| 23:54:41 | celloboy | egv: proceed |
| 23:54:49 | egv | celloboy: I copied some files over, cd'd out off the card, and now can't figure out how to umount the damn thing |
| 23:55:00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_: ok, do we have pthread in our staging? |
| 23:55:04 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: should |
| 23:55:07 | egv | celloboy: is it safe to just unplug it? |
| 23:55:11 | TheMasterMind1 | what builds it? |
| 23:55:13 | celloboy | egv: what happens when you umount /mnt/usbcf? |
| 23:55:22 | kergoth_ | egv: umount /mnt/usbcf |
| 23:55:23 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 23:55:35 | TheMasterMind1 | umount -f |
| 23:55:37 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 23:55:38 | egv | celloboy: umount: /mnt/usbcf: device is busy |
| 23:55:45 | kergoth_ | egv: cd out of htere |
| 23:55:46 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_: what installs pthread |
| 23:55:47 | egv | kergoth_: thanks ;) |
| 23:55:51 | kergoth_ | egv: cd /; umount /mnt/usbcf; |
| 23:55:52 | celloboy | he did |
| 23:55:53 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: libc6 |
| 23:56:02 | egv | kergoth_: already did |
| 23:56:07 | celloboy | is ther eany activity? |
| 23:56:11 | kergoth_ | egv: then something else is using it. fuser is your friend |
| 23:56:12 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_: ah, its in lib/ not in usr/lib |
| 23:56:34 | egv | reads man page for fuser |
| 23:56:39 | Twiun | beattie: word of warning... don't try running a class obfuscator on the runtime classes ;-) |
| 23:56:47 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: hrmm.. that could be an issue. it may not compile if you put lib/ in the -l.. |
| 23:56:48 | Twiun | beattie: segfaults lie that way ;-) |
| 23:56:51 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: let me know if it works |
| 23:57:04 | celloboy | egv: did umount -f work? |
| 23:57:17 | egv | celloboy: haven't tried it yet... was reading up on fuser |
| 23:57:22 | egv | celloboy: one sec... |
| 23:57:53 | beattie | Twiun: since I don't know what a class obfuscator is it is unlikely. I'm not a C++ expert, but I can get around |
| 23:58:20 | Twiun | beattie: it refactors java bytecode to make it smaller |
| 23:58:58 | coup | and unreadable :) |
| 23:59:04 | DaJoker | coup: might want to look at DocumentLibrary for Zope |
| 23:59:04 | Twiun | beattie: changes things MyHugeMethodNameThatOnlyGetsCalledTwice to a02 |
| 23:59:07 | coup | yes, i read java bytecode |
| 23:59:23 | coup | or, i did when i was at college working on my project :) |
| 23:59:48 | beattie | Twiun: Ah? well I don't plan to get fancy :) |
| 23:59:52 | coup | DaJoker: nice one :) |
