| 00:18.36 | Aimio | lo? |
| 00:43.56 | Piete | hi :) |
| 00:44.06 | Piete | wow, talk about a delayed response :) |
| 00:46.21 | kryhme | cough |
| 00:53.38 | paq | hi |
| 00:53.46 | Piete | lo |
| 00:53.59 | paq | what's up? =) |
| 00:55.12 | kryhme | sup |
| 02:02.17 | Piete | not me, sorry |
| 02:02.23 | Piete | wrong chan |
| 02:02.24 | Piete | lol |
| 03:03.18 | Piete | ibot slashdot |
| 04:08.36 | Piete | where do I get the codecs for OpiePlayer2? They are not in the feed, and harlekin's one won't work with the player in the feed |
| 04:33.14 | Aimio|zZz | google "zaurus software index" search codec |
| 04:35.26 | Piete | ibot: search zsi codec |
| 04:35.26 | | Piete: i haven't a clue |
| 04:35.31 | Piete | lol |
| 04:37.45 | Aimio|zZz | ibot codec |
| 04:37.45 | | extra, extra, read all about it, codec is different |
| 04:38.00 | Aimio|zZz | ibot zsi |
| 04:38.27 | Aimio|zZz | hmm |
| 04:51.04 | Piete | hmmm, any dns setting I set in the network setup app does not get remembered :/ |
| 04:59.44 | bobstay | woo! |
| 05:14.39 | Piete | hi |
| 05:14.54 | savek | hi |
| 05:14.55 | savek | :) |
| 05:18.00 | Piete | hmm, the network setup on OZ seems messed up.. I can't connect to the net via usbd0, even though I could with SharpROM... |
| 05:18.20 | Piete | the gateway is set, and I added the nameservers in resolv.conf |
| 05:18.26 | Piete | and the desktop is masqing |
| 05:18.53 | Titeuf | hi |
| 05:19.00 | Piete | lo |
| 05:25.20 | Titeuf | i've got a problem with my z : when i plug it into the usb dock, it freeze... |
| 05:28.08 | Piete | strange |
| 05:28.19 | Titeuf | yes |
| 05:29.05 | Titeuf | then, i unplug my z, switch between normal operation/replace battery |
| 05:29.24 | Titeuf | plug it |
| 05:29.32 | Titeuf | and switch it on |
| 05:29.39 | Titeuf | and then it works |
| 05:34.33 | Piete | that kinda sucks |
| 05:34.47 | Piete | I just wish the networking was better :/ |
| 05:34.54 | Titeuf | lol |
| 05:35.43 | Piete | 3.0 releasing with out the majot networksetup bug wouldve helped too :p |
| 05:35.56 | Piete | major even |
| 05:36.39 | Titeuf | maybe |
| 05:37.28 | Piete | I wouldve thought that seeing DNS not working would have been rather obvious :P |
| 05:39.47 | Piete | awww :/ I'm out of pizza *Whaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!* |
| 06:12.38 | AndyQ | hi |
| 06:23.20 | AndyQ | hey ljp |
| 06:23.29 | ljp | hi |
| 06:23.56 | AndyQ | ljp: do you know how to set WEP in wireless network config coz it doesn't seem to want to save settings |
| 06:24.44 | ljp | no, I dont have any wireless stuff ;( |
| 06:25.13 | AndyQ | arse - just got mine today (had to pick it up myself coz the crap couriers couldn't be bothered to deliver it) |
| 06:25.33 | AndyQ | got it connected but not if WEP is enabled |
| 06:25.49 | AndyQ | I guess I'll speak with Ben |
| 06:25.57 | AndyQ | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 06:25.57 | | benmeyer <~ben@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 15h 29m 1s ago, saying: 'See you all monday!'. |
| 06:26.11 | AndyQ | arse again! |
| 06:26.18 | Grez | Hi, I'm trying to flash my sl-5500 to oz 3.0 but i can't get it to work. I have tried downloading the files from all mirrors and used all the CF cards I have, but it will not work, both lights come on and then go out 15 seconds later, the files check out using md5. Does anyone have any ideas what the problem could be? I can flash to the sharp rom every time using any of my cf cards. |
| 06:26.58 | AndyQ | Grez - have you renamed the files correctly - i.e zImage, initrd.bin? |
| 06:27.37 | Grez | I renamed Zimage-whatever to zImageand initrd.bin to initrd |
| 06:27.59 | ljp | is you cf card formatted as msdos? |
| 06:28.03 | Grez | yep |
| 06:28.14 | AndyQ | keep initrd.bin as initrd.bin - don't rename that one |
| 06:29.24 | Grez | DOH!!!!!! ;) |
| 06:29.44 | Grez | that seems to be working now |
| 06:30.35 | AndyQ | heh |
| 06:30.58 | Dessimat0r | lo all ;) |
| 06:31.04 | AndyQ | lo |
| 06:31.24 | Dessimat0r | Any new SFCave releases? |
| 06:31.36 | Dessimat0r | since .6 |
| 06:31.42 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: you don't have wireless on your Z do you? |
| 06:31.45 | Dessimat0r | nope |
| 06:32.01 | AndyQ | arse |
| 06:32.19 | Dessimat0r | lol, I wish I did ;) |
| 06:32.40 | AndyQ | can't figure out how to get WEP working - got a netgear this morning and just having a play |
| 06:32.53 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 06:33.43 | Dessimat0r | if you plug your wireless card into a PC CF reader, can it work on Linux/Windows XP? |
| 06:34.05 | AndyQ | good question - I doubt it very much |
| 06:36.01 | AndyQ|PDA | woot - hehehe |
| 06:36.15 | AndyQ | lo AndyQ|PDA :) |
| 06:36.22 | AndyQ|PDA | loall |
| 06:36.56 | AndyQ|PDA | i could do this allday -have a conversation with myself |
| 06:39.59 | ljp | quick! someone flood the channel! |
| 06:40.39 | AndyQ|PDA | heh |
| 06:41.01 | AndyQ|PDA | t |
| 06:43.36 | AndyQ|PDA | test |
| 06:44.03 | AndyQ|PDA | strange things are a happening |
| 06:44.48 | ljp | yup |
| 06:45.10 | AndyQ|PDA | my connection seems a tad laggy |
| 06:53.27 | ljp | my brain seems a tad laggy |
| 06:53.40 | AndyQ | heh |
| 06:56.23 | AndyQ|PDA | ibot be zippy |
| 06:56.23 | | i suck |
| 06:56.28 | AndyQ|PDA | heh |
| 07:01.02 | ljp | dont you hate googling c++ stuff, and finding windows API crapola? thats not entirely just c++ |
| 07:13.41 | Grez | ok guys, how do I get packages onto my zaurus using winscp? i can't get it workin |
| 07:15.19 | Grez | ok then any ideas how I can get packages on my zaurus using qtopia? |
| 07:49.50 | Dessimat0r | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=703 |
| 07:49.50 | Dessimat0r | LOL |
| 07:50.46 | AndyQ|PDA | heh |
| 07:55.23 | paqan_ | heh wtf.. |
| 07:56.01 | Dessimat0r | that bloke seems to love porting emulators to the Zaurus ;) |
| 07:57.51 | Dessimat0r | http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/MoreImages/PCVW10_1.jpg |
| 07:57.53 | Dessimat0r | mmmm |
| 07:57.54 | paqan_ | it's a worthy cause ;) |
| 07:59.12 | Dessimat0r | hmm - Palm has followed Handspring and licensed Research in Motion's extraordinary new technique of generating cold fusion energy at room temperature. |
| 08:00.20 | Dessimat0r | Quantum Wireless-Energy Room-Temperature Yield (QWERTY). |
| 08:00.28 | Dessimat0r | what a stupid name |
| 08:00.51 | paqan_ | crap, i thought that sony jpg was of a new crusoe palmtop... |
| 08:01.05 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 08:01.51 | Dessimat0r | it is a new crusoe palmtop ;) Sony Vaio PCV-W10 |
| 08:01.55 | Dessimat0r | oops |
| 08:01.58 | Dessimat0r | ignore that |
| 08:02.01 | Dessimat0r | i forgot to delete ;) |
| 08:02.02 | Dessimat0r | Sony Vaio PCV-W10 |
| 08:02.06 | Dessimat0r | is what it is |
| 08:02.44 | paqan_ | it's sony's imactype crap |
| 08:03.39 | paqan_ | looks real nice.. would be cool if it's smaller ;) |
| 08:03.59 | Dessimat0r | people are predicting at CF cards are going to replace floppy disk drives on PCs :D |
| 08:04.01 | paqan_ | i've to say ms journal works quite well ... we need something like that on the Z |
| 08:04.03 | Dessimat0r | that |
| 08:04.33 | paqan_ | (just saw that newish acer fliptop notebook at the shop..) |
| 08:04.43 | Dessimat0r | as prices have plummeted on CF cards |
| 08:04.53 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 08:05.11 | Dessimat0r | 2556 is only Ģ60 ;) |
| 08:05.14 | Dessimat0r | 256mb |
| 08:05.43 | paqan_ | makes sense.. it'll be nice to have 2 ide controllers by default on all mobo |
| 08:06.22 | paqan_ | same interface for hd, optical media, etc.. |
| 08:24.51 | Grez | does anyone know why I can't change directory to /mnt/cf in winscp and why it doesn't show any directories? |
| 08:25.50 | endr | does mount show cf card is mounted (/sbin/mount)? |
| 08:26.54 | Grez | yep |
| 08:27.08 | endr | what's the error? |
| 08:27.18 | Grez | i can't see any directories at all using winscp but I get an error on startup |
| 08:27.23 | endr | ...when you try to change dirs |
| 08:27.28 | endr | startup of winscp? |
| 08:27.50 | Grez | yep, when I start up winscpi get "error looking up groups" |
| 08:31.53 | Cloudchaser | ibot openzaurus |
| 08:31.53 | | well, openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp SL-5[50]00[dg]{0,1} PDA. See http://www.openzaurus.org/. Also ask me about oz faq, oz feed, oz bk, oz release, or oz prerelease. And dont forget to /join #openzaurus. |
| 08:34.21 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 08:35.03 | Cloudchaser | anyone awake here? |
| 08:36.42 | ljp | nope |
| 08:37.19 | ljp | I am sleep-irc'ing |
| 08:37.19 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 08:37.39 | AndyQ | folks - AQPkg has just hit version 1.0! |
| 08:37.46 | ljp | woot! |
| 08:37.49 | Dessimat0r | w00t |
| 08:37.58 | Dessimat0r | where do I recieve this gem? |
| 08:38.02 | AndyQ | New stuff - Can now install packages from an http address (not just a feed) |
| 08:38.32 | AndyQ | And added filter menu with show only uninstalled apps, only installed apps, or installed apps that have been upgraded |
| 08:38.44 | Dessimat0r | excellent |
| 08:38.48 | Dessimat0r | you are the king ;) |
| 08:39.01 | AndyQ | Code is in CVS or give me 5 mins and it will be on my website (I'll let you know) |
| 08:39.05 | AndyQ | heh |
| 08:39.05 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 08:40.33 | Dessimat0r | this would be cool - a program to install apps over the usb cradle to the Zaurus, without actually putting the ipk on the Zaurus ;) |
| 08:42.23 | Dessimat0r | where can I get the latest opie-mediaplayer2? |
| 08:42.36 | Dessimat0r | Harlekin's feed has an outdated one |
| 08:42.53 | Dessimat0r | 5th of September ;) |
| 08:44.14 | ljp | heh well, if harlekin's op2 feed is outdated, we are in trouble |
| 08:44.37 | Cloudchaser | i used the launcher to shut of one of the taskbar applets, so now i have room for 2 icons for open apps |
| 08:44.45 | Cloudchaser | cept only 1 will show still |
| 08:44.53 | ljp | hmm |
| 08:45.00 | Dessimat0r | http://arachni.kiwi.uni-hamburg.de/~harlekin/op2/ |
| 08:45.04 | Dessimat0r | this oen is outdated |
| 08:45.07 | Dessimat0r | there is another one? |
| 08:45.13 | ljp | thats not outdated |
| 08:45.25 | ljp | thats the current version |
| 08:45.34 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 08:45.39 | Dessimat0r | i .. see ;) |
| 08:45.45 | Cloudchaser | so i go to shut off another taskbar applet and i crash to login |
| 08:45.52 | ljp | we're waiting for xine fixes |
| 08:46.08 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 08:46.32 | ljp | cloud: would you submit that to opie bugs, please? ;) |
| 08:46.42 | Cloudchaser | sure |
| 08:46.44 | Cloudchaser | as what? |
| 08:47.16 | Cloudchaser | interface? |
| 08:47.22 | Cloudchaser | for category |
| 08:47.40 | ljp | ya interface is ok |
| 08:49.49 | Cloudchaser | oh bleh it wants me to log in |
| 08:51.14 | Cloudchaser | ok submitted |
| 08:52.58 | ljp | thank you |
| 08:53.19 | KallDrexx | hola |
| 08:56.21 | serge | hi all |
| 08:56.49 | serge | i'm trying to flash OZ3 without success ... |
| 08:57.15 | serge | someone here? |
| 08:57.17 | kryhme | what's the problem |
| 08:57.30 | AndyQ | OK, AQPkg 1.0 is now available from http://andyq.myby.co.uk |
| 08:57.37 | kryhme | hurrah |
| 08:57.52 | kryhme | can you browse directories to select a file?? |
| 08:58.38 | serge | when i press C+D+full reset, both the lights flash ... |
| 08:58.41 | AndyQ | kryhme: sorry not yet - maybe version 1.1 |
| 08:58.50 | kryhme | alright, i'll be waiting |
| 08:59.12 | kryhme | serge: both lights flash or stay solid? |
| 08:59.19 | serge | flash |
| 08:59.34 | kryhme | did you rename your zImage file? |
| 08:59.45 | serge | yes |
| 08:59.56 | serge | i have verified the md5sum also |
| 09:00.29 | serge | the files initrd.bin and zImage have to be at the root of cf card ? |
| 09:00.36 | kryhme | yes |
| 09:01.35 | serge | just one time, the lights stay solid, but they never switch back |
| 09:01.46 | kryhme | switch back? |
| 09:02.03 | serge | i mean they stay solid after half an hour ... |
| 09:02.29 | kryhme | i'm not following, |
| 09:02.44 | KallDrexx | lol that's not good |
| 09:02.46 | serge | i try several times to press C+D+full reset |
| 09:03.20 | serge | and just one time, the lights stay solid but the flash process never stop |
| 09:03.35 | serge | the old ROM is still here ... |
| 09:03.38 | serge | veryu strange |
| 09:03.42 | kryhme | what type of cf card are you using? |
| 09:03.49 | serge | a 32Mo one |
| 09:04.03 | serge | memup cf card |
| 09:04.09 | kryhme | and have you formatted it since you bought it? |
| 09:04.25 | AndyQ | serge: I had the same problem - I switched to a different CF card and installed the bit seperately and that worked |
| 09:04.26 | serge | nope, i just buy the card this morning |
| 09:04.57 | AndyQ | you could try only having the zImage on the card, flashing that then putting the initrd.bin on the card next (removing the zImage) then flashing that |
| 09:05.08 | serge | the card seems to be formatted in vfat |
| 09:05.10 | AndyQ | the first time should be pretty quick (9-10 secs approx) |
| 09:05.17 | AndyQ | s/time/flash |
| 09:05.37 | AndyQ | only thing is you'll need a CF reader/writer that isn't your Zaurus |
| 09:05.45 | kryhme | serge: you may want to see if you can borrow someone else's flash card to see if that's the problem |
| 09:05.49 | serge | hum, the problem is that i have no CF reader/writer outside Zaurus |
| 09:06.16 | kryhme | AndyQ: why does he need a cf reader writer? |
| 09:06.17 | serge | yes, thank for the advice, i will try with a friend that have CF card |
| 09:06.45 | AndyQ | kryhme: so he can put the initrd.bin image on and remove the zImage before flashing a seconds time |
| 09:06.59 | AndyQ | I don't know what will happen if you only update the kernel and not the root fs |
| 09:07.26 | serge | AndyQ : i don't want to try ;-) |
| 09:07.54 | AndyQ | heh |
| 09:08.17 | serge | i still can do something with the old ROM :-) |
| 09:08.59 | serge | maybe i can try to reformat the card ? |
| 09:09.11 | kryhme | serge, a word of advice, before you switch to oz, package up any applications you want like the hancomm suite or opera, because once you switch over, they're gone |
| 09:09.28 | kryhme | not gone, gone, but they are not there |
| 09:09.55 | serge | kryhme : yes, thx you, but i have no interests in both opera and hancomm suite |
| 09:10.13 | kryhme | ok, just checking |
| 09:10.18 | serge | ok, thx |
| 09:11.21 | serge | are the tools needed to reformat card available on the old rom ? |
| 09:12.20 | kryhme | i think so, i forget what you'd use for a command though |
| 09:13.04 | serge | ok, i will check |
| 09:13.13 | kryhme | also, if you are thinking about buying a cf reader, it's a good choice, they are only about $20 or so, and they are great.... i bought one as like an impulse buy and now its like my main means of transferring files |
| 09:14.14 | AndyQ | i agree - its REALLY depressing when you hose you Z and need a CF card to reflash BUT your only way of writing to the CF card is your Z :) |
| 09:14.42 | kryhme | yup, i bought mine just incase that ever happened, |
| 09:14.59 | AndyQ | I bought mine AFTER that happened |
| 09:15.15 | kryhme | damn |
| 09:15.30 | kryhme | has anyone ever used EIDE on the zaurus? |
| 09:16.07 | AndyQ | briefly - developing on the itself is painful though |
| 09:16.29 | serge | /sbin/mkfs.vfat seems to be the command to reformat the card |
| 09:17.30 | kryhme | AndyQ: how did you install those ibraries? i wasn't sure what to do with them because there was a compressed file with a .jar file and another compressed file in that file. |
| 09:17.58 | kryhme | the compiler files that is |
| 09:18.32 | AndyQ | good question - can't remember though it was about 5 months or so ago - sorry |
| 09:18.50 | kryhme | it's cool, i know how that goes |
| 09:27.46 | lazy^boy | Hi, I've just installed OZ3 yesterday, and when I tried to do a backup(opie-backup) I got this message: backup failed. any ideas? I backup on to my sd card. |
| 09:28.54 | TheMasterMind1 | lazy^boy: ask in #opie |
| 09:29.07 | lazy^boy | oki... thanks... |
| 09:33.07 | AndyQ | anyone know who is maintaining Konq for the Z (if anyone is) |
| 09:51.42 | kryhme | My oz3 screenshots.... http://www.incaptive.com/images/sc2.png ... http://www.incaptive.com/images/sc1.png |
| 09:52.32 | AndyQ | kryhme: nice - have you got frodo working from Opie? |
| 09:52.41 | kryhme | yes'm |
| 09:52.52 | kryhme | stayed up till 3 last night messing wtih it |
| 09:52.54 | AndyQ | how - does it switch into X? |
| 09:53.26 | kryhme | i have no idea what it does, just loads and goes fullscreen... i can't figure out how to quit the program easily yet |
| 09:53.39 | AndyQ | cool - whats it like - how fast etc |
| 09:54.07 | numatrix | kryhme: what program are you talking about? |
| 09:54.37 | numatrix | anybody know where the OZ screenshots are on oz.org? |
| 09:54.56 | kryhme | it's not slow, at least not yet... it's supposed to map drive 8 to a directory, but i don't think it's mapping right, so i haven't been able to list or load any files yet.... but all the basic stuff works fine |
| 09:55.25 | AndyQ | excellent - any chance of an ipk? |
| 09:55.33 | kryhme | if you're thinking about doing it, you can get the rom images here http://www.funet.fi/pub/cbm/firmware/computers/index.html |
| 09:55.34 | KallDrexx | what's frodo? |
| 09:55.43 | kryhme | c64 emulator |
| 09:55.47 | KallDrexx | ah |
| 09:55.55 | kryhme | AndyQ: yeah, you use the frodo ipk on zsi |
| 09:56.02 | kryhme | and then download the rom images |
| 09:56.11 | numatrix | Of course, since mess has been ported, you can use that to emulate just about anything. |
| 09:56.36 | kryhme | and rename them, i was a litle skeptical about the names he gave to rename the roms to, but it worked |
| 09:56.48 | kryhme | i don't think this has anythng to do with mess |
| 09:57.34 | numatrix | kryhme: mess has a c64 emulator in it, though, that's what I was referring to |
| 09:57.35 | kryhme | this was done way before mess |
| 09:57.40 | kryhme | ah |
| 09:57.43 | kryhme | i was not aware |
| 09:57.52 | numatrix | kryhme: mess can emulate about 270 devices. It's insane. |
| 09:57.54 | AndyQ | nunumatrix: I couldn't get mess working on my PC yet (c64 em) |
| 09:58.26 | numatrix | AndyQ: I've gotten some of the emulation working on the zaurus, but haven't had a chance to test much of it. I really hope they're actively working on making sure the port was clean, because that's a program with HUGE potential. |
| 09:58.48 | kryhme | how do you list files, wasn't it like LIST"$",8,1 |
| 09:58.51 | AndyQ | yeah - so many emulators within |
| 09:58.59 | AndyQ | kryhme: load"$",8 |
| 09:59.09 | kryhme | yeah |
| 09:59.37 | kryhme | you ever have the super snapshot cartridge back in the day? |
| 09:59.39 | numatrix | kryhme: check this out: http://mess.emuverse.com/sysinfo.html |
| 09:59.54 | AndyQ | I had the final cartridge :) |
| 10:00.03 | numatrix | kryhme: I think you could do it with just LIST, but I forget. It's been an insanely long time. |
| 10:00.30 | kryhme | yeah, i know what you mean.... and i am suprised how bad i am with it considering how much time i spent with that thing |
| 10:00.57 | kryhme | i was using that supersnapshot to hex edit video games to insert my name over the programmers when i was 12 |
| 10:01.04 | numatrix | kryhme: I used the c64 when I was four years old. My first computer. :-) |
| 10:01.25 | kryhme | same here.... i'm 21 now. i grew up with that thing |
| 10:01.29 | numatrix | kryhme: Of course, I wasn't doing hex editing, but I could run all the games I liked by myself. |
| 10:01.37 | kryhme | it's like a part of me almost |
| 10:02.05 | AndyQ | heh - my first computer was the Commodore Pet when I was 7 - brand spanking new it was too |
| 10:02.09 | numatrix | kryhme: By the time I was 12, I had a tandy 1000, and was typing basic programs from 3-2-1 Contact magazines. I loved that stuff. |
| 10:02.18 | bbeattie | Hmm, is there a way to mount or browse through the initrd.bin for oz? |
| 10:02.23 | kryhme | i had a 2400 baud modem that i used to get on bbses and pirate software...... yeah i was writing a lot of basic then too |
| 10:02.41 | numatrix | you guys see the ethereal port is coming along? That's super-nice. |
| 10:02.53 | kryhme | that's gonna be titties |
| 10:03.17 | AndyQ | I still regret not learning ASM at the time - I remember giving it up coz it took 20 lines to write A in the corner of the screen and I could do it in one in basic :) (mind you I was only 10/11 at the time) |
| 10:03.21 | kryhme | wasn't there an etherreal port that was supposed to be developed for the developers challenge |
| 10:03.43 | numatrix | kryhme: yeah. There were two people selected to do the project. I was one, but backed out and changed to a gameboy emulator, this is apparently the other guys entry. |
| 10:04.34 | kryhme | i was always trying to write security programs for the commodore, but since i wrote them, i knew how to break them, and i was always better at breaking my programs than i was at securing them. |
| 10:04.38 | numatrix | kryhme: He hasn't compiled it for the Z yet, so I'm giving it a go on the skiffcluster right now. Unfortunately, I've got my Z blanked out and reset to the sharp rom because I was going to exchange it at bestbuy. Bastards wouldn't accept the exchange though. They had to demonstrate the problems in the store. It's not even like I was trying to upgrade to a newer model, just trying an even exchange. Oh well, I figured out how to MA |
| 10:05.20 | AndyQ | Anyone figured out how to use WEP in OZ - I can't get the damn app to save the settings |
| 10:05.54 | kryhme | numatrix: i was looking around on google awhile back and i saw an etherreal port that someone had built apparently for the zaurus |
| 10:06.00 | numatrix | It would randomly not power off, sometimes draining it (back when I had the sharp rom on it, but bestbuy doesn't need to know I run OZ as well), and really pissing me off, so I found out a great way to make it do it. Simply edit qpe.conf and change the timeout times to 0,0,0. The light/power app will show 10 seconds, 10 seconds, 10 seconds, but will never auto-shut off. |
| 10:06.01 | kryhme | it may be this other guy's project |
| 10:06.19 | numatrix | kryhme: probably was. He hasn't actually gotten it working on a Z yet since he doesn't have one. |
| 10:06.27 | kryhme | odd |
| 10:07.34 | numatrix | kryhme: But I'm extremely glad for it because it means that I can demonstrate the bug reliably (even if it is me being slightly sneaky) to them and force them to let me exchange it for a new one. |
| 10:07.55 | kryhme | yeah, that is pretty smooth |
| 10:08.01 | mwa | Can anyone direct me to changes/enhancements provided by aqpkg? |
| 10:08.21 | numatrix | mwa: AndyQ would probably be a good person to ask since he wrote it. :-) |
| 10:08.37 | kryhme | mwa: http://andyq.myby.co.uk |
| 10:08.37 | kryhme | <kryhme> hurrah |
| 10:08.45 | kryhme | aqpkg 1.0 is out |
| 10:09.15 | AndyQ | mwa: between which versions? |
| 10:09.50 | mwa | Mostly interested in handling links when installing to different destinations. |
| 10:09.59 | kryhme | numatrix: that would be cool to write an app that runs in the background and makes it look like your z is broken, and then deletes the file on the next boot |
| 10:10.01 | mwa | ipkg was rather cruel.. |
| 10:11.21 | numatrix | kryhme: the trick is, I wanted something SUPER subtle so that there was no chance they'd ever find it. Since I don't even have embedded konsole installed, it will be dang hard for them to know where to look for this little trick. THe main thing is that I'm not trying to rip them off. It really ~DOES~ behave that way occasionally, but they're being pricks about making me replicate it in the store. Fine. I'll replicate it. ;-) |
| 10:11.32 | mwa | AndyQ: You have v1.0 on your site, and source is 0.2? |
| 10:13.02 | AndyQ | mwa: just not updated the source - its avaialble from the Opie CVS now anyway |
| 10:13.15 | mwa | AndyQ: Ah, got the source. Is it a replacement for ipkg, or a wrapper? |
| 10:13.34 | AndyQ | mwa: its a wrapper round ipkg |
| 10:14.10 | mwa | AndyQ: Ok, then I won't hold you responsible for ipkg borking ;) |
| 10:14.37 | AndyQ | heh - ipkg has loads of bugs in fact more that you can shake 5 sticks at |
| 10:14.41 | numatrix | mwa: And believe me, ipkg will still bork. |
| 10:15.04 | AndyQ | I'd love to write my own version but just don't have the time - ipkg is pretty complicated and does quite a lot |
| 10:15.48 | mwa | AndyQ: What I'd like is something that that ipkgs well, AND provides TabManager movement in a way that lets ipkg know that it's files have moved around |
| 10:15.48 | AndyQ | and it works 90% of the time - its the other 10% though that is fustrating |
| 10:16.35 | AndyQ | well then, write one - it shouldn't be too hard - ipkg keeps its state in a status file |
| 10:17.01 | mwa | AndyQ: In my brief poking, it seems that (judicious) poking with the ipkg info/status files could do so. Your opinion? |
| 10:17.28 | AndyQ | yup - thats the file which tells ipkg what has been installed and where |
| 10:17.48 | AndyQ | there are multiple versions of that file though, one kept in each destination specified in ipkg.conf |
| 10:18.30 | AndyQ | so stuff installed to /mnt/cf will have be put into /mnt/cf/usr/local/ipkg/status, etc |
| 10:18.43 | mwa | AndyQ: Yeah, caught that. That's actually helpfull for having a scan update the launcher menus |
| 10:19.39 | AndyQ | yup - anyway, got to go now - won't back tonight - getting very drunk and setting off fireworks - fun fun fun till someone loses an eye :) - bye |
| 10:20.03 | mwa | AndyQ: Thanks, hope to have OZ3 flashed by then. |
| 10:20.04 | kryhme | i'm about to go get tanked myself |
| 10:20.19 | AndyQ | np |
| 10:21.43 | chouimat | hi |
| 10:28.46 | kryhme | hi chouimat |
| 10:29.34 | chouimat | hi kryhme |
| 10:29.43 | kryhme | what's goin on dude |
| 10:30.01 | chouimat | nothing |
| 10:30.13 | KallDrexx | hey chouimat |
| 10:30.23 | chouimat | hi KallDrexx |
| 10:30.39 | kryhme | choimat, you develop apps for the z? |
| 10:30.56 | chouimat | kryhme: when i have time |
| 10:59.39 | kergoth | morning |
| 11:00.03 | kryhme | morning |
| 11:00.30 | tux_mike | hey kerg |
| 11:01.54 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 11:03.11 | kergoth | I'm busy recompiling an assload of my debian box w/ gcc 3.2 |
| 11:03.12 | kergoth | fun stuff |
| 11:05.42 | tux_mike | have fun with kde |
| 11:05.44 | tux_mike | :) |
| 11:06.25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sup |
| 11:07.55 | kergoth | tux_mike: oh yeah, planning on it |
| 11:07.57 | kergoth | :) |
| 11:08.03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nada, just dragged my ass out of bed |
| 11:10.39 | chouimat | kergoth: your fortuneplugin don't work here |
| 11:14.12 | kergoth | chouimat: i've never tested it |
| 11:14.14 | kergoth | chouimat: :) |
| 11:14.22 | chouimat | huh? someone ported hercule to the z |
| 11:14.32 | kergoth | hercule? |
| 11:14.41 | chouimat | kergoth: the S/390 emulator |
| 11:14.44 | kergoth | ah |
| 11:15.03 | chouimat | kergoth: behold I have a portable mainframe in my pocket |
| 11:15.31 | kergoth | lol |
| 11:15.53 | kergoth | so making the buildroot build a toolchain is easy |
| 11:16.01 | kergoth | making it produce two feeds, one for 2.95, one for 3.2, isnt |
| 11:16.03 | kergoth | heh |
| 11:16.18 | kergoth | may have to just keep around 2 trees, one to build the 2.95 packages, one to build the 3.2 packages |
| 11:16.23 | KallDrexx | cant' get my comp to recognzie my CF reader so i can't get oz 3 |
| 11:16.24 | kergoth | yeah, probably easiest |
| 11:16.25 | kergoth | hmm |
| 11:16.28 | Twiun | kergoth: I'm currently moving my web/smtp services to my win98 box... today's rebuilding day for this box |
| 11:16.33 | kergoth | KallDrexx: modprobe usb-storage |
| 11:16.40 | kergoth | Twiun: ahh |
| 11:16.46 | KallDrexx | kergoth: it wasn't built as a module, it was built into the kernel |
| 11:16.49 | KallDrexx | which is what's got me |
| 11:16.53 | chouimat | kergoth: or add a subdir in both build and output (2.95 and 3.2) |
| 11:18.14 | kergoth | chouimat: yes, i was thining of that too |
| 11:18.21 | kergoth | chouimat: could do stable/testing/unstable that way as well |
| 11:18.25 | kergoth | build/stable-2.95/ |
| 11:18.26 | Twiun | kergoth: so I'll most likely go off the air repeatedly ;-) |
| 11:18.27 | kergoth | etc |
| 11:18.41 | kergoth | KallDrexx: rebuild the kernel |
| 11:18.43 | KallDrexx | wtf |
| 11:18.58 | KallDrexx | kergoth: with dmesg when i put my cf reader in it even says a new usb device put in |
| 11:19.03 | KallDrexx | but it doens't see any special devices |
| 11:19.11 | KallDrexx | i.e. mounting /dev/sdaX doens't work |
| 11:19.25 | chouimat | kergoth: yup and that way if someone want to add another os (ecos etc...) that would be easy to modify |
| 11:22.18 | kolla | what are you talking about? mutiboot for Z? :) |
| 11:23.17 | chouimat | kolla: shhhhhh |
| 11:25.33 | kolla | :) |
| 11:25.54 | chouimat | kolla: soon zAROS :P |
| 11:26.29 | bbeattie | Does Handcom Word still not work on OZ 3.0? |
| 11:27.34 | kergoth | bbeattie: probably, i dont think anyone has straced or gdb'd its crash to see if the crash is something outside of word |
| 11:27.39 | kolla | chouimat: hehe |
| 11:47.27 | Dessimat0r | I think the crash in HancomWord is due to it not getting the font size correct, and not allocating enough row space for each character. If you choose different fonts, they have varying amounts you can do with each one, before HancomWord bunks out. For example, try Micro at size 4, it works perfectly. Then try some of the larger fonts. |
| 11:47.48 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: oh, something changed with the font list in qt/e 2.3.4.... |
| 11:47.51 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: hmmm |
| 11:48.09 | Twiun | anyone want to give the java faq page a go to see if I've moved the static pages ok? |
| 11:48.25 | KallDrexx | what's a good linux text editor? |
| 11:48.35 | Dessimat0r | vi, apparently |
| 11:48.36 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 11:48.47 | chouimat | KallDrexx: pick one. vi,emacs,jed etc... |
| 11:48.48 | kergoth | vim! |
| 11:48.53 | kergoth | nano |
| 11:49.05 | TheMasterMind1 | vim |
| 11:49.06 | Dessimat0r | I prefer Opie Text Editor ;) |
| 11:49.08 | Twiun | vim |
| 11:49.14 | chouimat | crisp |
| 11:49.21 | Twiun | vim on OZ via ssh rocks ;-) |
| 11:49.24 | KallDrexx | I mean a true text editor (vim is opening a file and showing too much hex |
| 11:49.30 | kergoth | KallDrexx: huh? |
| 11:49.32 | KallDrexx | I need an editor like notepad in windows |
| 11:49.33 | kergoth | KallDrexx: vim doesnt show hex |
| 11:49.39 | KallDrexx | vim showing wierd characters |
| 11:49.42 | kergoth | ? |
| 11:49.44 | Dessimat0r | Opie Text Editor ;) |
| 11:49.47 | kergoth | then your ufile has weird ass characters in it |
| 11:49.49 | KallDrexx | i'm trying to look at a file from a game |
| 11:49.50 | kergoth | or its a dos text file |
| 11:49.55 | kergoth | or it contains binary data |
| 11:49.56 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 11:49.58 | KallDrexx | kergoth: but it doesn't that'st hthing |
| 11:49.58 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: kate |
| 11:50.04 | kergoth | KallDrexx: huh? |
| 11:50.10 | kergoth | KallDrexx: yes, it does. |
| 11:50.11 | TheMasterMind1 | what's this about font sizes and hancom |
| 11:50.14 | KallDrexx | kergoth: in notepad the file displays the text perfectly |
| 11:50.18 | kergoth | KallDrexx: you're just used to things being hidden from you. |
| 11:50.18 | KallDrexx | that's what i'm gong for |
| 11:50.20 | TheMasterMind1 | anyway we can fix that? |
| 11:50.21 | Twiun | KallDrexx: looked at that file in hex? how can you be sure otherwise? |
| 11:50.26 | kergoth | KallDrexx: notepad, bingo, its a dos text file |
| 11:50.30 | kergoth | KallDrexx: use dos2unix |
| 11:50.35 | KallDrexx | dos2unix? |
| 11:50.35 | chouimat | KallDrexx: jedit |
| 11:50.43 | Dessimat0r | convert dos line breaks to linux line breaks |
| 11:50.48 | kergoth | KallDrexx: dos and unix text files are different |
| 11:50.50 | KallDrexx | kergoth: yeah sorry i dind't mean it wasn't there i meant it wasn't supposed to be shown |
| 11:50.59 | kergoth | KallDrexx: dos files have newline and carraige return on each line, unixes only have a newline |
| 11:51.35 | kergoth | i see your point though. myself i just convert with dos2unix |
| 11:51.55 | Dessimat0r | is using just newline a better method than newline and carriage return? |
| 11:51.56 | KallDrexx | ok |
| 11:52.12 | KallDrexx | kergoth: where can i get dos2unix (gentoo doens't seem to have it) |
| 11:52.46 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: 'better'? its a implementation difference. whether its better or notwould be a subject of debate |
| 11:52.59 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 11:53.16 | Dessimat0r | I was just wondering why Windows has carriage return, but Linux dosen't ;) |
| 11:53.49 | kergoth | I think the return of the carriage to the beginning of the line is implicit in unix |
| 11:53.52 | kergoth | its not just linux. |
| 11:53.53 | kergoth | its a unix thing. |
| 11:54.06 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 11:54.07 | kergoth | solaris, aix, hp/ux, digital unix, et cetera |
| 11:54.09 | KallDrexx | um any idea where i can get dos2unix... |
| 11:54.11 | Dessimat0r | i see |
| 11:54.18 | kergoth | google is your friend |
| 11:54.25 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 11:54.25 | KallDrexx | ok |
| 11:54.31 | kergoth | i dont recall the packagename off the top of my head |
| 11:54.39 | KallDrexx | ok thanks a lot |
| 11:54.49 | KallDrexx | chouimat: me? |
| 11:54.59 | kergoth | in debian i'd auto-apt search dos2unix but i dunno gentoo |
| 11:55.00 | chouimat | KallDrexx: no me |
| 11:55.03 | KallDrexx | oh lol |
| 11:55.26 | KallDrexx | kergoth: yeah i kinda miss apt-cache search |
| 11:55.32 | kergoth | :) |
| 11:55.43 | KallDrexx | we can search ehre but it looks like only the package name |
| 11:56.03 | chouimat | emerge duconv |
| 11:57.20 | KallDrexx | ahh look at that |
| 11:57.22 | KallDrexx | huh |
| 11:57.23 | KallDrexx | duconv? |
| 11:57.33 | kergoth | dos unix conversion |
| 11:57.35 | kergoth | duconv |
| 11:57.36 | kergoth | makes sense |
| 11:57.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 11:57.56 | kergoth | chouimat: i'm doing the opie build in the buildroot now, to fix up the quirks |
| 11:58.13 | chouimat | kergoth: with package selection? |
| 11:58.22 | KallDrexx | err |
| 11:58.33 | KallDrexx | that dindt' sintall dos2unix.. it is a program right? |
| 11:58.40 | kergoth | chouimat: well, i could do that .. but it will select what to build, not what to install |
| 11:58.46 | kergoth | chouimat: the opie buildsystem doesnt control package creation atm |
| 12:00.21 | chouimat | kergoth: for the installation on the image |
| 12:00.45 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah, opie's buildsystem doesnt control our package creation or installation yet, i'm not sure how to implement it yet |
| 12:02.45 | chouimat | kergoth: lkc with package-install.in? |
| 12:05.43 | kergoth | chouimat|away: opie already uses lkc .. |
| 12:06.56 | dikappa | kergoth: the little window popup window on the bottom which pops up when i insert the card |
| 12:07.03 | dikappa | dmesg doesn't say anything |
| 12:07.04 | chouimat|away | kergoth: I will think of something but lkc can be probably extended to include the package instalation |
| 12:07.09 | kergoth | dikappa: email me the output of 'cardctl ident' at a console |
| 12:07.15 | kergoth | chouimat|away: probably, but not sure how atm |
| 12:08.25 | chouimat|away | kergoth: just list all the ipk and create a config file for that. (and think about some tag like required, optional ,etc ...) |
| 12:08.32 | dikappa | kergoth: i paste them in query, they are 3 lines, ok? |
| 12:08.59 | kergoth | chouimat|away: so generate a config.in with a ipk filelist? thats such a simple idea it just might work |
| 12:09.03 | kergoth | dikappa: no |
| 12:09.06 | kergoth | dikappa: email it |
| 12:09.09 | dikappa | ok |
| 12:09.16 | dikappa | what's your address? |
| 12:09.17 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth |
| 12:09.17 | | methinks kergoth is at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
| 12:09.58 | kolla | kergoth: did you get my mail the other day? |
| 12:10.00 | chouimat|away | kergoth: maybe a script can do that |
| 12:10.03 | kergoth | chouimat|away: yes |
| 12:10.08 | kergoth | chouimat|away: i do that type of thing in opie alot |
| 12:10.15 | kergoth | chouimat|away: there is alot of generated files |
| 12:10.17 | kergoth | perl |
| 12:10.19 | kergoth | and awk |
| 12:10.20 | kergoth | and sed |
| 12:10.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 12:10.51 | chouimat|away | anyway I will be back later. need to go eat something |
| 12:10.56 | kergoth | okay ttyl |
| 12:11.01 | mwa | TheMasterMind1: I see your name in the FAQ stylesheet, you the faq-man? |
| 12:11.14 | kergoth | mwa: tmm1 and noda are the web guys |
| 12:11.30 | kergoth | mwa: whats the question? |
| 12:11.57 | mwa | kergoth: tmm1==TheMasterMind1 ? |
| 12:12.00 | kergoth | yes |
| 12:12.18 | mwa | ibot: seen TheMasterMind1 |
| 12:12.18 | | themastermind1 is currently on #zaurus (7h 6m 12s) #openzaurus (7h 6m 12s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 21m 58s |
| 12:12.30 | kergoth | whats the question? |
| 12:12.32 | kergoth | ibot: seen noda |
| 12:12.32 | | noda <~noda@modemcable136.245-202-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 13h 34m 59s ago, saying: 'Try running it from the console - maybe it'll give a helpful error message.'. |
| 12:12.46 | mwa | First: Damn good job! |
| 12:13.12 | kergoth | they've done an excellent job on the site, people are lovin it :) |
| 12:13.14 | dikappa | kergoth: cardctl indent's output is exactly the same as the other sl5500 i got with original bin, which works fine |
| 12:13.46 | mwa | Second, I think something that explains the difference between OZ & Opie would help (re)direct some stuff; Maybe make their lives easier. |
| 12:13.46 | kergoth | dikappa: that tells me *NOTHING* |
| 12:13.52 | kergoth | dikappa: if you want it to work, email me the output. |
| 12:14.03 | dikappa | ok i'm mailing it |
| 12:14.13 | kergoth | dikappa: we're using a much newer pcmcia-cs package |
| 12:14.19 | kergoth | dikappa: and a different pcmcai configuration file |
| 12:14.27 | kergoth | dikappa: the fact that it worked in sharp doesnt tell me much |
| 12:15.02 | kergoth | mwa: I agree. though I'm certain its covered in existing faqs..but probably not as clear as it could be |
| 12:15.05 | kergoth | mwa: submit a FAQ on it |
| 12:15.06 | kergoth | mwa: :) |
| 12:15.36 | mwa | kergoth: You're assuming I know! |
| 12:15.41 | kergoth | opie is the gui |
| 12:15.44 | kergoth | openzaurus is the distro |
| 12:15.51 | kergoth | opie is to openzaurus as X is to redhat |
| 12:16.40 | mwa | kergoth: OZ includes network, init scripts, general behind-the-scenes stuff (The Real Work [TM]) ? |
| 12:16.46 | kergoth | yes |
| 12:16.53 | kergoth | it -is- the base system |
| 12:16.56 | kergoth | opie is the graphical environment |
| 12:16.59 | kergoth | which runs on top of it |
| 12:17.02 | kergoth | opie isnt the only available GUI |
| 12:17.05 | kergoth | you can get X |
| 12:17.06 | kergoth | picogui |
| 12:17.08 | kergoth | qtopia |
| 12:17.09 | kergoth | opie |
| 12:17.19 | kolla | picogui rocks :) |
| 12:17.24 | kergoth | yeah |
| 12:17.26 | kergoth | it needs more apps :) |
| 12:17.33 | KallDrexx | what's picogui? |
| 12:17.39 | kergoth | PicoBot: picogui |
| 12:17.40 | PicoBot | picogui is at http://picogui.org or a new GUI architecture created for embeddeed systems or the niftiest hack in the world |
| 12:17.46 | kergoth | PicoBot: Picogui faq |
| 12:17.46 | PicoBot | well, Picogui faq is see faq |
| 12:17.52 | kergoth | PicoBot: faq |
| 12:17.52 | PicoBot | somebody said faq was the Frequently Asked Questions list, at http://picogui.org/wiki/view/Main/FAQ |
| 12:18.07 | KallDrexx | ah |
| 12:18.14 | kryhme | picogui huh |
| 12:18.20 | kergoth | mwa: thanks :) |
| 12:18.56 | mwa | kergoth: ipkg/package management is OZ? |
| 12:19.44 | kergoth | ipkg is part of oz |
| 12:19.55 | kergoth | aqpkg is the GUI frontend to ipkg included in opie |
| 12:20.19 | kergoth | in the sharp rom, it was Qtopia on top of Embedix |
| 12:20.25 | kergoth | in OZ, its opie on top of OZ |
| 12:20.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 12:22.15 | mwa | GUI alternatives: X, PicoGUI, ... what else? (aside Opie) |
| 12:23.56 | kergoth | thats about it atm |
| 12:24.02 | kergoth | you could put qtopia, but why would you want to |
| 12:24.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 12:24.38 | dikappa | kergoth: sent |
| 12:24.51 | mwa | OUCH! 'Preview' button erases faq submission! |
| 12:24.54 | kergoth | dikappa: thanks, what card is this now? what chipset? |
| 12:25.01 | kergoth | mwa: it does? |
| 12:25.11 | kergoth | mwa: i never use it, submit takes you to the preview page automatically |
| 12:25.18 | dikappa | kergoth: it's an Hamlet, ne2000 compatible |
| 12:25.22 | kergoth | mwa: email noda |
| 12:29.22 | Titeuf | is there a jre to install with openzaurus to make java applications to work ? |
| 12:30.04 | kergoth | theres kaffe, for console only apps |
| 12:30.09 | kergoth | theres wonka, for direct to FB |
| 12:30.20 | kergoth | the only one with qt2 bindings atm is Jeode, the one on the sharp rom |
| 12:30.22 | kergoth | swipe that |
| 12:31.11 | Titeuf | ok thanks |
| 12:31.26 | dikappa | kergoth: what do i have to do for that card? |
| 12:31.28 | Titeuf | i'll try to install wonka |
| 12:31.33 | kergoth | dikappa: you wait for me to look at your email |
| 12:31.50 | kergoth | Titeuf: talk to twuin if he comes back on irc, he's the java guy |
| 12:32.01 | Titeuf | ok fine :) |
| 12:32.14 | mwa | kergoth: Submit failed as well. Can you msg me with noda's email? |
| 12:32.25 | dikappa | ah ok |
| 12:32.41 | kergoth | submit failed? it worked last week |
| 12:32.43 | kergoth | odd |
| 12:32.45 | kergoth | what browser? |
| 12:32.54 | mwa | Galeon |
| 12:33.27 | kergoth | dikappa: try this, modprobe pcnet_cs |
| 12:33.36 | kergoth | dikappa: then ifconfig -a in console |
| 12:33.38 | dikappa | i tryed this |
| 12:33.43 | kergoth | and? |
| 12:33.46 | dikappa | it doesn't find anything |
| 12:33.47 | mwa | crap, Does it need cookies? |
| 12:33.48 | dikappa | just lo |
| 12:33.54 | kergoth | then its not a pcnet_cs card |
| 12:34.10 | kergoth | figure out which module needs, and i'll add it to our config |
| 12:34.25 | kergoth | you have the sharp rom running? if so, lsmod and tell me the module it loaded |
| 12:34.41 | kergoth | i'll loopback mount the sharp rom to see if i can find the entry for your card |
| 12:34.53 | ljp | opera 6.1 for linux sucks.. |
| 12:35.00 | dikappa | sharp's kernel has got only ne2000 support, monolithic |
| 12:35.08 | dikappa | dmesg says that's what it finds |
| 12:35.17 | dikappa | lsmod doesn't say anything about ethernet modules |
| 12:35.19 | dikappa | just usual modules |
| 12:35.40 | mwa | kergoth: Never mind. Allowed cookies in junkbuster & looks like it will work now. |
| 12:36.19 | kergoth | eh? |
| 12:36.19 | kergoth | mwa: k good |
| 12:37.15 | ljp | hmm kitten's been walking on the sound mixer again.. |
| 12:37.48 | dikappa | actually we have 2 zauruses, 1 with qpe/sharp, the other w/ opie/openzaurus tried both with shipped 42-40 kernel and with one compiled here with sources from bk |
| 12:38.06 | dikappa | lsmod is the same on all 3 setups |
| 12:38.39 | dikappa | we tried with ne support both modular and monolithic |
| 12:39.12 | dikappa | could it be something related to pcmcia setup? |
| 12:39.15 | kergoth | eh? |
| 12:39.24 | kergoth | OZ uses the identical kernel |
| 12:39.28 | kergoth | and pcmcia network modlues |
| 12:39.31 | kergoth | modules |
| 12:39.33 | kergoth | as sharp |
| 12:39.42 | kergoth | we use a newer user space pcmcia-cs package |
| 12:40.00 | dikappa | kergoth: ok perfect |
| 12:40.03 | kergoth | hmm |
| 12:42.20 | kergoth | hmm |
| 12:42.28 | kergoth | dikappa: i've got another guy seeing a very similar problem |
| 12:42.34 | kergoth | dikappa: we have no idea how to nail it down |
| 12:42.40 | kergoth | dikappa: since we're using the same sources |
| 12:42.43 | dikappa | kergoth: what i meani is that inserting the eth in sharp does not raise any module, but eth works. OZ behaves the same way, but eth does not work. so I guess it could be an issue with user-space package |
| 12:43.14 | kergoth | ? |
| 12:43.28 | kergoth | if the ethernet interface doesnt even -exist- in oz on insertion |
| 12:43.34 | kergoth | its kernel space |
| 12:43.45 | kergoth | user space tools cant control the existance of a device |
| 12:44.05 | kergoth | hmm |
| 12:44.21 | kergoth | well obviously something is different, you're the second person to exhibit a problem on a pcmcia ethernet device |
| 12:44.24 | kergoth | wireless always works flawlessly |
| 12:44.54 | dikappa | yes my wlan works well too |
| 12:45.21 | kergoth | just weird |
| 12:45.29 | kergoth | let me diff my kernel config against the stock sharp |
| 12:47.07 | dikappa | ok (OZ kernel ne support is modular, while sharp's one is monlithic if i remember well) |
| 12:47.33 | chouimat | back |
| 12:47.34 | kergoth | dikappa: um, sharp rom only monolithically compiles in pcnet_cs |
| 12:47.43 | kergoth | dikappa: same module we're trying to use in OZ |
| 12:47.52 | kergoth | dikappa: almost like pcnet_cs is flaky when built as a module |
| 12:47.59 | chouimat | kergoth: any news about the new usb thing |
| 12:48.16 | kergoth | chouimat: nope, still nothing from pavelm |
| 12:49.26 | kergoth | dikappa: i can build you a 40-24 OZ kernel with identical pcmcia config as sharp if you're willing to test |
| 12:50.54 | dikappa | kergoth: thanks. If you do it i will test it, of course |
| 12:52.07 | kergoth | dikappa: okay, building it now |
| 12:52.55 | Titeuf | outch aqpkg tell me : segmentation fault :( |
| 12:54.16 | chouimat | kergoth: just updated my z, take 15 minutes to boot the flash |
| 12:54.34 | kergoth | chouimat: ? |
| 12:55.18 | chouimat | kergoth: first boot: ..................................................terminated (6 times) |
| 12:56.47 | kolla_ | chouimat: looks familiar |
| 12:56.51 | kolla_ | ctgrl-d it |
| 12:56.57 | kolla_ | ctrl-d |
| 12:57.40 | chouimat | kolla: It's working now but ... |
| 12:59.51 | kergoth | chouimat: updated your Z from what? where? |
| 13:01.38 | chouimat | kergoth: my build |
| 13:02.04 | kergoth | odd |
| 13:02.12 | kergoth | so something in bk after the release is borked |
| 13:02.22 | kergoth | well, easy thing to isolate |
| 13:02.32 | kergoth | chouimat: edit your /etc/init.d/packages |
| 13:02.45 | kergoth | chouimat: in the reconfigure function, remove the 2>/dev/null >/dev/null stuff |
| 13:02.51 | kergoth | chouimat: then you can see output when it runs the postinst scripts |
| 13:14.32 | dikappa | kergoth: i've just compiled sharp's kernel with patches from bk, using sharp's 5500 kernel... it hangs after logo.. i'll do more tries |
| 13:14.57 | dikappa | kergoth: sorry s/5500 kernel/5500 config/ |
| 13:15.06 | kergoth | yes |
| 13:15.08 | kergoth | thats expected |
| 13:15.20 | kergoth | sharp's kernel config sets root= a different mtd device |
| 13:15.26 | kergoth | we use a different mtd driver to allow mtd writes |
| 13:15.34 | kergoth | dikappa: got mail, i just emailed you the kernel and modules ipk |
| 13:15.49 | kergoth | dikappa: this is identical to the normal OZ config, except the pcmcia networking piece is identical to the sharp config |
| 13:15.59 | dikappa | thank, i'll check in a minute |
| 13:16.03 | chouimat | kergoth: ok |
| 13:16.03 | kergoth | thanks |
| 13:16.13 | kergoth | chouimat: let me know if you figure out whats up, i'll test it later |
| 13:16.17 | kergoth | chouimat: i'm beating up the opie build atm :) |
| 13:16.36 | chouimat | kergoth: I going to check later, i eating my lunch now |
| 13:16.42 | kergoth | okay cool |
| 13:21.44 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new |
| 13:22.42 | kergoth | im 1) rebuilding most of my debian sid box w/ gcc 3.2, and 2) beating on the opie buidlsystem |
| 13:23.18 | chouimat | kergoth: dual build opie? |
| 13:23.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 13:23.39 | kergoth | nah, qt in one window, opie in another |
| 13:23.41 | kergoth | :) |
| 13:23.50 | kergoth | after qt is done i start on the kde build |
| 13:23.52 | kergoth | thatll be a while |
| 13:24.57 | chouimat | kergoth: when opie will switch to qt3? |
| 13:25.23 | dikappa | kergoth: got mail. I'm gonna try now. In the meanwhile whould you send me the .config you used, please? |
| 13:26.03 | kergoth | chouimat: i'll build a ROM with it for people to play with |
| 13:26.05 | kergoth | chouimat: when itll switch totally, i dunno |
| 13:26.27 | chouimat | kergoth: buildroot don't support it yet? |
| 13:26.56 | ljp | think I'll add ftp to textedit |
| 13:27.08 | ljp | heh just kidding |
| 13:27.17 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: how come network setup doesn't let you add irda or ppp connections |
| 13:27.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: because ben hasnt written a ppp module yet |
| 13:27.45 | dikappa | kergoth: good news. I did put /etc/pcmcia from sharp's rom into OZ's one. Now it works... |
| 13:27.58 | TheMasterMind1 | dikappa: what works |
| 13:28.03 | kergoth | dikappa: so it is a configuration difference then |
| 13:28.06 | kergoth | interesting |
| 13:28.26 | kergoth | dikappa: would you be able to reinstall the pcmcia-cs package, and replace just 'config' and see if thats the file that causes it? |
| 13:28.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: issues with certain cf/pcmcia ethernet cards |
| 13:28.45 | dikappa | kergoth: sure. i'll do it |
| 13:29.36 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: just need to add/edit entries in our config files? |
| 13:29.46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we're figuring that out now. |
| 13:30.39 | kergoth | dikappa: then, with it working, run 'logread' and tell me what cardmgr identifies your card as |
| 13:33.09 | dikappa | kergoth: mixed news right now... I removed correct modules and fucked up all. I'll redo all from 0 and then report a full trace, right |
| 13:34.17 | kergoth | dikappa: okay cool |
| 13:40.54 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ok, i'm thinking.. for our little box with version numbers on the site... how about we have a stable testing and unstable version number.. stable is 3.0.. everytime we make some changes in testing feed or unstable feed, we up that version number. so someone can see that testing is now 3.0.2, check the changelog to see that, say, fdisk got fixed, pcmcica got updated and there's a new opie build with a working network se |
| 13:40.55 | TheMasterMind1 | ey want those changes they go and upgrade from the testing feed |
| 13:41.12 | kergoth | no |
| 13:41.21 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 13:41.22 | kergoth | important bugfixes go into stable after testing |
| 13:41.30 | kergoth | then that stable gets released as 3.1 |
| 13:41.31 | kergoth | or 3.0.1 |
| 13:41.34 | kergoth | or what have you |
| 13:41.38 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 13:41.44 | TheMasterMind1 | so we only change stable when we release? |
| 13:41.48 | kergoth | no |
| 13:41.53 | kergoth | we change it whenever we want |
| 13:41.56 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 13:41.59 | kergoth | but |
| 13:42.02 | kergoth | theres a process for this |
| 13:42.09 | kergoth | at this point all our current fixes are in unstable only |
| 13:42.10 | TheMasterMind1 | but thing is, how do we let people know there are important bug fixes |
| 13:42.15 | kergoth | they see a release. |
| 13:42.21 | kergoth | or they can run testing and get them immediately |
| 13:42.30 | kergoth | or they can look at the changelog for stable |
| 13:42.41 | kergoth | as stable will get fixes after the release, but before the next release |
| 13:42.47 | TheMasterMind1 | but what about stuff that's important, but not important enough to release a new version |
| 13:42.49 | kergoth | all a release is, is a snapshot of stable as of a given date |
| 13:42.54 | kergoth | then thats in stable |
| 13:42.59 | kergoth | just not in a release yet |
| 13:43.05 | TheMasterMind1 | but no one knows its there unless we up the version number |
| 13:43.08 | kergoth | bullshit |
| 13:43.11 | kergoth | the changelog tells them |
| 13:43.18 | kergoth | all they have to do is look at stable by date |
| 13:43.32 | TheMasterMind1 | alright, so they just have to look at the changelog |
| 13:43.33 | TheMasterMind1 | that works |
| 13:43.35 | kergoth | yup |
| 13:43.38 | kergoth | bingo |
| 13:43.42 | chouimat | unstable->testing->stable->release? |
| 13:43.45 | kergoth | chouimat: bingo |
| 13:43.56 | kergoth | BK is unstable, always, atm |
| 13:44.00 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 13:44.05 | kergoth | until i implement branches within the buildroot |
| 13:44.06 | TheMasterMind1 | so even if we're making important changes to stable feed, version stays at 3.0 until we release a new initrd with those changes ? |
| 13:44.06 | kergoth | hey Cloudchaser |
| 13:44.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes |
| 13:44.18 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 13:44.19 | Cloudchaser | how are you doing today? |
| 13:44.19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but we could release it at 3.0.1, or whenever we want |
| 13:44.24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if the fixes are critical enough |
| 13:44.25 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 13:44.29 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: good good, you? |
| 13:44.40 | chouimat | kergoth: better: experimental->unstable->testing->stable->release :) |
| 13:44.41 | ljp | how about realse it at 4.0 ? ;) |
| 13:44.44 | kergoth | there are a number of important bug fixes in unstable that i'll push into testing soon |
| 13:44.47 | ljp | release even |
| 13:44.49 | kergoth | chouimat: eventually, yes |
| 13:44.56 | kergoth | chouimat: but OZ is still so small |
| 13:45.27 | kergoth | we need a database of our packages inside the buildroot |
| 13:45.29 | Cloudchaser | doing ok here.. wrestling with a python script |
| 13:45.38 | kergoth | that has package version for a given package in each branch, that sort of thing |
| 13:46.10 | kergoth | 'database' doesnt imply sql or something, text files architected in a sane fashion would do |
| 13:46.13 | kergoth | but we need something |
| 13:46.23 | kergoth | otherwise keeping track is going to get to be a bitch, fast |
| 13:46.29 | chouimat | kergoth: yes. so a newly added package is automaticly experimental |
| 13:46.38 | kergoth | yeah |
| 13:46.44 | kergoth | until the package is confirmed to -work- |
| 13:46.46 | kergoth | and build |
| 13:46.48 | kergoth | then its unstable |
| 13:47.03 | kergoth | until its been thoroughly tested -on the Z- by both you and at least a couple users |
| 13:47.16 | kergoth | at which point it goes into testing for larger scale testing |
| 13:47.19 | kergoth | and finally into stable |
| 13:47.30 | chouimat | kergoth: that make sense |
| 13:47.39 | kergoth | I should write a OZ policy manual |
| 13:47.44 | kergoth | and make buildroot handle branches |
| 13:47.47 | kergoth | then we'll be good |
| 13:48.28 | kergoth | course we'll need like config.in.stable config.in.testing etc in each package |
| 13:48.31 | chouimat | kergoth: with the branch handly we can also have personal buildroot item |
| 13:48.32 | kergoth | and stuff |
| 13:48.37 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah |
| 13:48.42 | kergoth | hmm |
| 13:48.58 | kergoth | chouimat: opie is finally compiling on mine, had to tweak a couple thing,s ben committed b0rked .pro files |
| 13:49.02 | kergoth | chouimat: for networksetup |
| 13:49.05 | kergoth | chouimat: which is why it failed |
| 13:49.26 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm speaking of "cvs stylebranch" |
| 13:49.46 | kergoth | hmm, well, the way you implement that kind of branch in bk |
| 13:49.49 | kergoth | is with another bk tree |
| 13:49.56 | kergoth | and you push and pull things between them |
| 13:50.01 | kergoth | the thing is |
| 13:50.09 | kergoth | we need a way to tag a ChangeSet as something that shouldnt get pushed |
| 13:50.20 | kergoth | otherwise it'll get to be a bitch fast |
| 13:50.52 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm looking to use subversion for that here |
| 13:51.44 | kergoth | how is subversion? i havent looked at it in ages |
| 13:51.51 | kergoth | it sucked back when i looked at it |
| 13:52.08 | chouimat | kergoth work well here. support branch and copy between them |
| 13:52.39 | dikappa | kergoth: changing the config only works. good |
| 13:53.17 | chouimat | kergoth: so with it we can have one repository will experimental, unstable, testing, stable, release all on differents branch |
| 13:53.27 | kergoth | chouimat: hmm |
| 13:53.46 | kergoth | chouimat: course the core scripts and stuff could be in a buildroot-core repos, then have a buildroot-packages repos which has seperate branches |
| 13:53.56 | kergoth | chouimat: cause its the same between them all |
| 13:54.13 | kergoth | dikappa: okay run logread, see how cardmgr identifies the card |
| 13:54.28 | kergoth | dikappa: did you use the new kernel i sent you? or is this -only- the config change? |
| 13:54.42 | dikappa | this is ONLY config change |
| 13:54.50 | kergoth | okay |
| 13:54.51 | kergoth | interesting |
| 13:54.57 | chouimat | kergoth: I checking that right now |
| 13:55.00 | kergoth | so check logread |
| 13:55.24 | dikappa | kergoth: may I paste you 6 lines in here or in query |
| 13:55.25 | dikappa | ? |
| 13:55.31 | kergoth | dikappa: in query |
| 13:55.38 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 13:58.11 | chouimat | kergoth: subversion 0.15 |
| 14:15.23 | TheMasterMind1 | i want some screenshots of the console and the bootmenu.. |
| 14:15.31 | TheMasterMind1 | how can i take those |
| 14:18.47 | ljp | camera |
| 14:18.57 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: how come i never show up in the cvs logs? |
| 14:22.44 | kryhme | does minide work on OZ? |
| 14:23.07 | kryhme | i notice on the sharp rom it installs on the Jeode tab |
| 14:23.23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dunno |
| 14:26.18 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: try it :) |
| 14:26.30 | kryhme | i did, i got the hour glass and the app never opened |
| 14:26.31 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: you can use jeodcreator to install jeode |
| 14:26.35 | kryhme | same with eide |
| 14:27.05 | kryhme | but then i need to botch my whole system and flash the sharp rom again |
| 14:27.11 | kryhme | right |
| 14:28.04 | kergoth | you can alter the jeode script to rip it out of a loopback mounted rom |
| 14:28.07 | kergoth | someone wrote a howto on that |
| 14:28.08 | kergoth | iirc |
| 14:28.39 | kryhme | where can i find that doc? |
| 14:32.19 | kergoth | chouimat: i built all of opie with the bulidroot and built an image, no errors :) |
| 14:32.24 | kergoth | chouimat: ill commmit stuff |
| 14:32.47 | kryhme | ibot jeode |
| 14:32.47 | | methinks jeode is a Java Virtual Machine implementation for embedded devices, http://www.insignia.com |
| 14:32.58 | kryhme | ibot jeode script |
| 14:32.58 | | kryhme: no idea |
| 14:33.14 | kergoth | kryhme: you can alter teh script in the jeodecreator ipk |
| 14:33.26 | kergoth | kryhme: just change the path it works on to point to the path wher eyou loopback mounted the sharp rom |
| 14:33.31 | kergoth | use romburst to rip apart ospack |
| 14:33.37 | kergoth | then loopback mount romdisk.bin |
| 14:34.41 | kryhme | so what you're saying is i'm f**ked |
| 14:34.46 | kergoth | huh? |
| 14:34.49 | kergoth | 1) romburst |
| 14:34.50 | kryhme | it was a joke |
| 14:34.51 | kergoth | 2) loopback mount |
| 14:34.53 | kergoth | 3) edit script |
| 14:34.55 | kergoth | 4) run script |
| 14:34.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:35.05 | ljp | 5) party down |
| 14:35.13 | kergoth | yeh! |
| 14:35.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:35.30 | kryhme | i was just joking around about my ignorance, i'll see if i can looppack mount this thing first |
| 14:35.48 | kergoth | mount -t cramfs -o loop ROMDISK.BIN /path/to/mountpoint |
| 14:36.04 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 14:36.11 | TheMasterMind1 | you have to give it a number too |
| 14:36.30 | kergoth | no |
| 14:36.34 | kergoth | you dont |
| 14:36.36 | kryhme | shit, i never would have figured that string out |
| 14:36.41 | kergoth | you need the # if you're mounting OSPACK directly |
| 14:36.43 | kryhme | cramfs |
| 14:36.46 | kergoth | if you split it first, you're fine |
| 14:36.48 | kergoth | kryhme: hehe |
| 14:37.03 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you split it |
| 14:37.07 | kergoth | Romburst |
| 14:37.10 | kergoth | its on ZSI |
| 14:37.42 | kolla | hm.. these shots, are they qtopia stuff compiled against QT/X11? |
| 14:37.52 | kergoth | opie runs on qt/x11 |
| 14:38.01 | kergoth | what shots? |
| 14:39.04 | kolla | http://handhelds.org/~zecke/screenshots/opie/images.html |
| 14:39.10 | kergoth | yep |
| 14:39.17 | kolla | cute |
| 14:39.22 | kergoth | zecke made opie work on qt/x11 |
| 14:39.24 | kergoth | its spiffy |
| 14:39.26 | kergoth | though i'll never use it |
| 14:39.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:39.31 | kolla | I always wanted IQNotes for the desktop |
| 14:39.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:39.36 | ljp | http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/ZaurusMountROM.txt |
| 14:40.19 | ljp | thats how I mount the rom |
| 14:40.19 | kergoth | that reminds me of when that guy first announced the romimage format |
| 14:40.19 | TheMasterMind1 | domain won't resolve.. |
| 14:40.23 | kergoth | and we ripped it apart with dd and made the first custom roms |
| 14:40.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:40.30 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 14:40.44 | TheMasterMind1 | the first openzaurus |
| 14:40.55 | ljp | 209.161.173.162 |
| 14:41.03 | kergoth | yeh. first things i did was fix all the flaws in the startup scripts |
| 14:41.08 | kergoth | and remove the games and shit i didnt want |
| 14:41.11 | kergoth | and added ssh |
| 14:41.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:41.16 | ljp | I'll have to get after hardwire about that |
| 14:41.25 | kergoth | doesnt resolve anymore? |
| 14:41.38 | TheMasterMind1 | not for me |
| 14:41.50 | TheMasterMind1 | and the ip goes to beringsea.com |
| 14:42.21 | kolla | j,.. opietooth |
| 14:42.26 | ljp | ya, thats where that server is |
| 14:42.47 | tik | question: with oz fresh from bk I see output to the console (notably pcmcia) in graphic mode. Any advice? |
| 14:43.10 | chouimat | kergy fix that |
| 14:43.19 | kergoth | eh? opie's spawning on vt1? |
| 14:43.40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergy? |
| 14:43.41 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 14:43.43 | tik | kergoth: if i can read shenn then not. but who knows ;) |
| 14:43.50 | tik | s/shenn/shell/ |
| 14:44.06 | kergoth | the script should be spawning it on vt2 |
| 14:44.07 | kergoth | but |
| 14:44.11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: weren't we going to switch to openvt or something so stuff worked properly? |
| 14:44.15 | kergoth | those messages go to the console symlink which goes to vt1 |
| 14:44.16 | kergoth | so.. |
| 14:44.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:44.24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm completely revamping the way we spawn opie |
| 14:44.28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its on the todo |
| 14:44.35 | ljp | oh hardwire must have some virtual shit going on up there |
| 14:44.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: right now i'm cleaning up a couple minor things with the opie buildroot |
| 14:44.43 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm ok |
| 14:44.49 | kergoth | s/root/system/ |
| 14:45.01 | kergoth | neale has some of the scripts written for our new spawn system |
| 14:45.05 | kergoth | i'll ask him regarding progress |
| 14:45.11 | ljp | I need to rewrite that stuff anyway |
| 14:47.30 | tik | kergoth: hmm it looks as if it chvt's to 2 but the chvt to 1 fails... |
| 14:47.38 | kergoth | tik: eh? |
| 14:47.54 | kergoth | tik: chvt to one doesnt happen until you exit opie |
| 14:48.04 | tik | kergoth: if i exit opie and chvt 2 then I can see the previous output there |
| 14:48.13 | kergoth | ? |
| 14:48.17 | kergoth | then chvt 1 is working |
| 14:48.21 | kergoth | and so is chvt 2 |
| 14:48.28 | tik | kergoth: argl. I messed it up... |
| 14:49.09 | tik | if i exit opie and chvt 2 then I can see the messages I saw in opie before. |
| 14:50.25 | kergoth | okay... |
| 14:50.41 | kergoth | then opie ran on vt2 as expected, and it properly returned to vt1.. |
| 14:50.47 | kergoth | so i dont get why pcmcia's messages would be on vt2 |
| 14:50.52 | kergoth | pcmcia writes to /dev/console |
| 14:50.56 | kergoth | which is a symlink to tty1 |
| 14:51.00 | kergoth | hmm |
| 14:51.15 | kergoth | fuck! |
| 14:51.18 | kergoth | my Z is totally dead |
| 14:51.21 | kergoth | battery is dead |
| 14:51.23 | chouimat | FUCK! |
| 14:51.24 | kergoth | and my AC cable is at work |
| 14:51.30 | kergoth | so i cant flash and test |
| 14:51.51 | tik | kergoth: on my z, tty1-4 share minor 0. might that be the clue? :-} |
| 14:51.59 | kergoth | tik: haha |
| 14:52.23 | tik | *g* there are always more places :)) |
| 14:52.30 | kergoth | weird |
| 14:52.36 | kergoth | tty5-9 are fine |
| 14:52.40 | kergoth | just 1-4 that are b0rked |
| 14:53.43 | tik | kergoth: yes, indeed. |
| 14:54.07 | tik | is it enough to fix them in /dev or will that ger reb0rked on reboot? |
| 14:54.18 | kergoth | the devices actually reside in /boot/dev.tar |
| 14:54.25 | kergoth | that gets extracted after it mounts the /dev ramdisk |
| 14:54.34 | kergoth | i'm about to push the fix in bk |
| 14:54.35 | tik | kergoth: ack. |
| 14:55.52 | kergoth | just fix it in your /dev and tar it back up onto /boot/dev.tar |
| 14:55.56 | Dessimat0r | Can you update openzaurus 3.0 from the unstable feed using aqpkg 1.0? |
| 14:56.04 | kergoth | ? |
| 14:56.06 | Dessimat0r | Last tiem I tried, the Z failed to boot |
| 14:56.09 | Dessimat0r | time |
| 14:56.15 | bobstay | oh... is this a known bug: If a program "stops responding" and opie asks you if you want to kill it, if you say yes, all of opie dies? |
| 14:56.15 | Dessimat0r | There are updated packageso n there ;) |
| 14:56.34 | kergoth | bobstay: yeah, not sure if its in the opie bug tracking system or not though |
| 14:56.42 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: wait, about to update it |
| 14:56.48 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: with today's opie |
| 14:56.49 | Dessimat0r | Oh ywah, can you download it to a CF card, then update it? |
| 14:56.50 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 14:56.50 | Dessimat0r | l |
| 14:56.52 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 14:56.53 | kergoth | among other things |
| 14:56.55 | kergoth | yes you can |
| 14:57.15 | kryhme | kergoth: i got that rom mounter and the jeodcreator ipk, but how do i modify it to pull from my thing |
| 14:57.19 | Dessimat0r | Is there a quick command for doing it quickly? ;) |
| 14:57.26 | kergoth | kryhme: extract the ipk |
| 14:57.30 | kergoth | kryhme: its just a tarball |
| 14:57.36 | Dessimat0r | Instead of installing each one by one |
| 14:57.51 | kryhme | interesting |
| 14:57.53 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: ipkg upgrade, but ipkg upgrade is b0rked with regard to packages installed to alternate destinations |
| 14:57.59 | kergoth | kryhme: tar zxvf blah.ipk |
| 14:58.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:58.05 | kergoth | tar zxvf data.tar.gz |
| 14:58.08 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 14:58.11 | Dessimat0r | i see.. |
| 14:58.11 | kergoth | tar zxvf control.tar.gz |
| 14:58.28 | kergoth | The repository that you are pushing to is 19 changesets |
| 14:58.29 | Dessimat0r | So it is best to install them all individually? Bloody hell.. ;) |
| 14:58.31 | kergoth | holy fuck |
| 14:58.40 | kergoth | 19 changesets? hehe |
| 14:59.36 | kergoth | fancy |
| 14:59.42 | kergoth | schurig is doing all sorts of stuff |
| 14:59.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:59.52 | kergoth | added a how to add a package to oz doc? |
| 14:59.53 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 15:00.08 | Dessimat0r | c00 |
| 15:02.44 | chouimat | kergoth: -nl? |
| 15:02.45 | tik | kergoth: with fixed minors everything is fine :)) |
| 15:02.52 | kergoth | tik: whew. great |
| 15:03.03 | kergoth | chouimat: shows you what changes were made in the parent |
| 15:03.05 | Dessimat0r | It would be nifty if we had a tray applet which showed when it was connected via the usb cradle, and did something when the Z retrieved (or sent) data ;) |
| 15:03.09 | kergoth | chouimat: then you know just what you're pulling |
| 15:03.26 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: ben will end up doing a new networking applet |
| 15:03.34 | chouimat | kergoth: ok actually nothing |
| 15:03.34 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 15:03.37 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 15:07.03 | chouimat | I'm dreaming of a perfect world. All men are gays (except me of course) so I can have the chicks I want ..... |
| 15:07.11 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 15:07.36 | chouimat | :P |
| 15:07.48 | Dessimat0r | if the men were gays, then the women would have no choice but to become lesbians... |
| 15:08.57 | Dessimat0r | is the unstable feed updated yet? ;) |
| 15:10.59 | ljp | man I really need to alias amke to make |
| 15:11.54 | tux_mike | amke? |
| 15:12.03 | tux_mike | butterfingers :) |
| 15:12.04 | ljp | too fast fingers |
| 15:12.21 | tux_mike | then get a different layout |
| 15:13.03 | tux_mike | soooooo hungy |
| 15:13.36 | ljp | wont help |
| 15:13.50 | tux_mike | sure it will |
| 15:13.52 | ljp | I'd like a 'jumpx' keyboard |
| 15:13.56 | chouimat | after hungry hungry homer here hungry hungry tux_mike |
| 15:14.27 | tux_mike | you got my vague simpsons reference :) |
| 15:15.15 | chouimat | tux_mike: I'm watching them currently |
| 15:15.29 | tux_mike | the hungry hungry homer episode? |
| 15:15.46 | chouimat | tux_mike: no the april fool one |
| 15:15.58 | tux_mike | ah. the clasic |
| 15:16.10 | tux_mike | "bring pretzels!" |
| 15:16.30 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 15:16.41 | tux_mike | i haven't read any news in the past few weeks. |
| 15:16.42 | chouimat | tux_mike: code A |
| 15:16.44 | tux_mike | perhaps i should |
| 15:21.44 | kryhme | what does it mean when a dir listing blinks files red |
| 15:21.51 | tux_mike | broken links |
| 15:22.09 | kryhme | crap |
| 15:23.06 | TheMasterMind1 | kjsd |
| 15:23.14 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:23.27 | TheMasterMind1 | lko oxkofe lkso sl dioe ks |
| 15:24.06 | kryhme | kergoth: you sure that romdisk is the one i needed to mount |
| 15:24.17 | kergoth | yes |
| 15:24.23 | TheMasterMind1 | you don't speak gibberish? |
| 15:24.34 | kryhme | i'm looking for the files it's supposed to extract, and i i'm seeing is broken links |
| 15:24.41 | chouimat | ok I'm installing cygwin on 3 windows box |
| 15:24.42 | kryhme | i speak jibberish at time |
| 15:24.50 | kryhme | s |
| 15:25.03 | kergoth | kryhme: sharp rom is an absolute maze of links |
| 15:25.07 | kergoth | kryhme: remember.. |
| 15:25.14 | kergoth | kryhme: cp -a mountpoint localcopy |
| 15:25.16 | kergoth | cd localcopy |
| 15:25.26 | kergoth | then extract the home tarball |
| 15:25.28 | kergoth | its in root |
| 15:25.31 | kergoth | .home_default.tar |
| 15:25.31 | kergoth | iirc |
| 15:26.03 | kryhme | ah, there we go |
| 15:26.53 | TheMasterMind1 | we should graph all the files and symlinks in the sharp rom |
| 15:27.01 | TheMasterMind1 | make a nice png out of it |
| 15:27.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:27.40 | kryhme | do i need to untar the file nay particular way to get it to spread the files right, or just zxvf? |
| 15:27.41 | chouimat | no not another "Gnome2-like" dependency tree |
| 15:27.53 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 15:28.00 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:28.01 | TheMasterMind1 | 3 more hours... |
| 15:28.06 | kergoth | i need to figure out this branch thing with the buildroot |
| 15:28.11 | kergoth | to make it build multiple feeds |
| 15:28.19 | kergoth | and an image that has any number of ipks from any of them |
| 15:28.21 | TheMasterMind1 | who's going to be helping with the kernel? |
| 15:28.29 | chouimat | kergoth: easy dump bk ;P |
| 15:28.30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: neale, cerezu, possibly others |
| 15:28.32 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe |
| 15:28.35 | kergoth | chouimat: its not just a bk thing |
| 15:28.41 | TheMasterMind1 | what about tik/ |
| 15:28.43 | kergoth | chouimat: its how to handle it sanely in the buildroot itself |
| 15:29.11 | kergoth | chouimat: i dont want to use cvs/svn branches for the distribution branches |
| 15:29.38 | kergoth | chouimat: i want to make 'package sets' .. which are a set of packages, including sources information, build information, version, etc .. |
| 15:29.39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: tested that patch for battery status? |
| 15:29.52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: my Z is toast atm, dead battery, and my AC cable is at work |
| 15:30.26 | tik | TheMasterMind1: what about me? |
| 15:30.39 | TheMasterMind1 | tik: you going to be helping with getting 2.5.x working on the Z? |
| 15:30.41 | chouimat | kergoth: here something (CVS/SVN/etc ...) HEAD branch his the release or the stable one. the other branch are experimental/Personal, testing,unstable .... |
| 15:30.55 | kolla | how did you manage to toast the battery? |
| 15:31.00 | kergoth | chouimat: well, itd be cool if i could build an image with ipks from multiple branches |
| 15:31.05 | tik | TheMasterMind1: I fear that's far abover my possibilities. |
| 15:31.05 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe |
| 15:31.08 | kergoth | kolla: not toast persay, just dead |
| 15:31.13 | kergoth | kolla: heh |
| 15:31.18 | kergoth | and i cant charge it :) |
| 15:31.21 | kergoth | cause its at work |
| 15:31.27 | kolla | oh |
| 15:31.41 | tik | TheMasterMind1: I'm not really a kernel hacker, you know? ;) |
| 15:31.56 | TheMasterMind1 | tik: same here |
| 15:32.01 | kolla | I could also need another charger, keep bringing mine to and from work, but sometimes forget it |
| 15:32.04 | kergoth | and we'll need testers as well as coders |
| 15:32.07 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:32.08 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, no one really knows what they're doing :) |
| 15:32.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:32.20 | chouimat | kergoth: I think that my proposal his the most sane. and if you want package of different branch you just make another branch with wath you need (svn rocks here) |
| 15:32.22 | TheMasterMind1 | but you were able to get that battery stuff working, so you're better at it than most of us |
| 15:32.27 | TheMasterMind1 | better than me atleast |
| 15:33.00 | tik | TheMasterMind1: ok, I see :) Would be an interesting thing, no question... |
| 15:33.02 | TheMasterMind1 | i think neale has done some kernel stuff before.. not sure about cerezu |
| 15:33.06 | TheMasterMind1 | tik: indeed |
| 15:33.15 | TheMasterMind1 | we can use all the help we can get |
| 15:33.29 | tik | TheMasterMind1: hmm. why not ;) |
| 15:33.42 | TheMasterMind1 | you should be able to port your battery status fix to 2.5.x pretty easily |
| 15:33.48 | TheMasterMind1 | and that's one less thing we have to worry about |
| 15:34.19 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: are we just going to work on that bk tree? you said something about starting over... |
| 15:34.27 | kergoth | not certain |
| 15:34.30 | tik | TheMasterMind1: ok, that would not be a real "port". my onl interface with kernel stuff is a little fiddling with procfs stuff. no magic indeed... |
| 15:34.30 | kergoth | give me a bit to think about it |
| 15:34.49 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl.. |
| 15:34.52 | TheMasterMind1 | buildroot-aah |
| 15:34.58 | TheMasterMind1 | whee |
| 15:34.59 | chouimat | kergoth: we will need a way to copy between branch |
| 15:34.59 | kergoth | tik: if you could throw the existing battery status code out and start over |
| 15:35.04 | kergoth | tik: how would you structure it? |
| 15:35.23 | kergoth | tik: we have the potential here to ditch most of lineo's crap |
| 15:35.33 | tik | kergoth: with no manuals regarding the battery interface? I think the same way, basically |
| 15:36.10 | kergoth | I have documentation .. |
| 15:36.13 | kergoth | some anyway |
| 15:36.18 | kergoth | it may or may not be what is needed |
| 15:36.20 | tik | their two kernel trheads are not really nice, but directly reading the battery on each apm call |
| 15:36.41 | tik | might result in severe trouble (as far as I know other hardware of that kind ,) |
| 15:37.25 | tik | but apart from that - at least a little more structured .) |
| 15:38.12 | tik | ist there already a chance to use some 2.5 stuff on the z? |
| 15:38.37 | kergoth | tik: it runs on the Z |
| 15:38.41 | chouimat | tik: if we can finish to understand lineo crap |
| 15:38.43 | kergoth | tik: just a lot of stuff needs working |
| 15:38.49 | kergoth | chouimat: yup :) |
| 15:39.00 | TheMasterMind1 | just barely runs |
| 15:39.04 | tik | choumat: hey, twoe bored, underpaied codersand a couple of web browsers... |
| 15:39.22 | tik | chouimat: have been in that chair also from time to time ;) |
| 15:39.29 | chouimat | tik: ok |
| 15:40.14 | tik | the battery code is not that difficult - but I'd like to understand the hw interface before I start to wonder what the lineo types got right and what's unnecessary |
| 15:40.42 | tik | kergoth`dinner: can you mail me your docs? |
| 15:41.25 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: hi |
| 15:42.01 | nasa | TheMasterMind1: what is going on? |
| 15:42.42 | TheMasterMind1 | not much |
| 15:42.58 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, anyone know how to maximize something in fluxbox.. using the keyboard |
| 15:45.34 | Dessimat0r | Do you have to pay for Lineo's code? |
| 15:45.41 | Dessimat0r | Just wondering ;) |
| 15:45.46 | tik | no |
| 15:45.57 | tik | it's free beer :) |
| 15:46.00 | Dessimat0r | :) |
| 15:54.17 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: hehe |
| 15:54.24 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 15:56.19 | kryhme | finding those files i need is the biggest maze i could have possibly imagined |
| 15:57.13 | kryhme | just when you think you found what you were looking for, it's just another broken link |
| 16:00.04 | kryhme | after tearing the sharp rom apart piece by piece, and seemingly unpacking everytihng, i find myself in a pile of links and no programs.... i'm thinking sharp developed this entire rom purely on data in links and nothing else |
| 16:03.34 | ljp | nope.. look in a tarball in the /home/root dir |
| 16:03.44 | kryhme | yeah, i unpacked all those too |
| 16:03.48 | kryhme | more links |
| 16:03.49 | kryhme | agg |
| 16:04.12 | ljp | ok, try in /usr/QtPalmtop.rom dir or whatever it is |
| 16:05.18 | kryhme | empty folders |
| 16:07.15 | kryhme | kergoth was saying there was a doc to do this.... anyone know of any such doc that would help me see where I am messing up |
| 16:07.44 | kryhme | i'm trying to install jeod from a copy of the sharp rom i put on my hd |
| 16:08.12 | kolla | I have jeode in a tarfile, if anyone wants it :) |
| 16:08.32 | kolla | just tar xzvf jeode.tar.gz -C / |
| 16:09.48 | kergoth`dinner | tik: unfortunately I cant mail you the docs i have on the Z |
| 16:10.02 | kergoth`dinner | tik: as I have it under NDA from sharp |
| 16:10.38 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 16:10.40 | TheMasterMind1 | how'd you manage that |
| 16:10.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:11.07 | kryhme | that was a quick dinner |
| 16:11.19 | TheMasterMind1 | and how are they of any use to us if they're under an NDA |
| 16:11.35 | kryhme | they're of use to the person that has them |
| 16:11.52 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: they're useless (service manual) |
| 16:11.59 | kryhme | he who has the gold makes the rules |
| 16:13.48 | kergoth | holy crap |
| 16:13.49 | kergoth | chouimat: dood |
| 16:13.57 | kergoth | chouimat: david bronell ot usbnet working with the Z |
| 16:14.01 | kergoth | chouimat: zaurus-general |
| 16:14.25 | chouimat | kergoth: ml? |
| 16:14.27 | TheMasterMind1 | oooohhh |
| 16:14.30 | TheMasterMind1 | aaahhhh |
| 16:14.49 | tik | kergoth: oh fuq! |
| 16:15.13 | tik | kergoth: do you know someone at sharp whom I can ask for an nda too? |
| 16:15.22 | nasa | kolla: may I try your jeode? Mines doesn't seem to work.... |
| 16:15.53 | kergoth | http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-usb-devel&m=103679596705336&w=2 |
| 16:15.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:16.06 | kergoth | tik: the info in it wont be enough |
| 16:16.25 | kergoth | tik: it doesnt outline the specs on the main two chips in the Z, one of which is the one that you use to check battery status |
| 16:18.24 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:18.27 | kergoth | chouimat: dood |
| 16:18.36 | kergoth | chouimat: this usbnet patch was given to brownell by pavelm! |
| 16:18.38 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe |
| 16:18.54 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm patching my kernel |
| 16:19.00 | kergoth | me too |
| 16:19.03 | tik | kergoth: hmm. once I saw some stuff from Intel that described theri sa-1100 design. |
| 16:19.17 | kergoth | tik: i have the sa1110 reference manual from intel here in hardcopy |
| 16:19.40 | kergoth | tik: its on their site, grab teh pdf |
| 16:19.43 | chouimat | tik: and kergoth and I have the ARM arm in pdf |
| 16:19.48 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:20.09 | kergoth | "This will make Zaurus interop easier, folk won't need to |
| 16:20.09 | kergoth | find and install the "usbdnet" version which, as Pavel |
| 16:20.10 | kergoth | put it, "eats disks"." |
| 16:20.14 | kergoth | hahah |
| 16:21.13 | tik | chouimat: dietz@rotfl.franken.de |
| 16:21.44 | chouimat | kergoth: how did you apply the patch? |
| 16:23.07 | ljp | ok, got some cruft out of textedit |
| 16:23.30 | chouimat | shit that patch don't seem to work with my 2.4.19-xfs kernel |
| 16:25.20 | TheMasterMind1 | 2 hours.. |
| 16:31.30 | Titeuf | i've got a problem with aqpkg |
| 16:31.38 | Titeuf | segmentation fault |
| 16:32.24 | Titeuf | someone know what i can do ? |
| 16:32.36 | kergoth | you can wait |
| 16:32.45 | kergoth | for the latest aqpkg to arrive in the unstable feed |
| 16:32.46 | Titeuf | yes sure |
| 16:32.53 | kergoth | as most of the bugs are already fixed |
| 16:33.00 | kergoth | i'm updating the unstable feed today |
| 16:33.09 | Titeuf | great |
| 16:33.13 | Titeuf | really |
| 16:33.18 | Titeuf | :) |
| 16:34.05 | kryhme | Hey, so i got this file on my cf card that i want to untar... but i want everything to start untarring in / , and i don't want to move the file to / to untar it because i don't have room |
| 16:34.18 | kryhme | what command would i run to untar it |
| 16:34.31 | kergoth | cd / |
| 16:34.36 | kergoth | tar zxvf /mnt/cf/blah.tar.gz |
| 16:34.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:35.39 | Titeuf | :) |
| 16:35.58 | Titeuf | isn't there an option ? -C for example ? |
| 16:36.07 | kergoth | if busybox tar supports it, yes |
| 16:36.16 | Titeuf | ok |
| 16:36.16 | kergoth | remember most of our apps in oz are supplied by busybox |
| 16:36.18 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:36.24 | Titeuf | right |
| 16:36.35 | Titeuf | i discovered it a few days ago |
| 16:37.08 | Titeuf | and was wondering how it could work |
| 16:37.19 | Dess|Away | get the latest AQPky here - http://andyq.myby.co.uk/ |
| 16:37.26 | Dess|Away | AQPkg |
| 16:37.26 | TheMasterMind1 | whats changed? |
| 16:37.32 | Dess|Away | dunno |
| 16:37.33 | Titeuf | ok |
| 16:40.21 | mwa | Do FAQ submissions need approval before they show up? |
| 16:40.49 | kergoth | yes |
| 16:40.49 | TheMasterMind1 | mwa: yes |
| 16:42.36 | mwa | crap, don't hit ctl-Z in bitchx... |
| 16:43.12 | Titeuf | erf |
| 16:43.22 | mwa | I can add a faq item about busybox. Is there a ref. which commands are enabled? |
| 16:43.33 | Titeuf | i think there's something wrong with my z |
| 16:43.38 | TheMasterMind1 | mwa: just approved yours |
| 16:43.54 | kergoth | mwa: 'busybox' |
| 16:43.57 | Titeuf | aqpkg doesn't work |
| 16:43.59 | kergoth | mwa: it lists the available modules |
| 16:44.05 | kergoth | Titeuf: aqpkg works fine. |
| 16:44.14 | kergoth | oh you mean on yours |
| 16:44.15 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 16:44.20 | Titeuf | yes |
| 16:44.22 | Titeuf | on mine |
| 16:44.29 | Titeuf | segmentation fault |
| 16:44.31 | TheMasterMind1 | Titeuf: "doesn't work"? what isn't working about it |
| 16:44.32 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 16:44.34 | Titeuf | even with version 1.0 |
| 16:44.35 | TheMasterMind1 | that's not good.. |
| 16:44.47 | TheMasterMind1 | use aqpkg from opie |
| 16:45.08 | mwa | kergoth: Any major diff between 2.9.1 & 3? I haven't flashed yet (since my daughter "cleaned up" and my CF vanished) |
| 16:45.09 | TheMasterMind1 | its a part of opie now |
| 16:45.17 | kergoth | mwa: 2.9.1? |
| 16:45.20 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.9.1 ? |
| 16:45.26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:45.54 | kergoth | afaicr |
| 16:45.55 | mwa | That's what shows in the info. It was probably 2.9.5 |
| 16:46.00 | kergoth | what info? |
| 16:46.36 | tux_mike | mwa: there's a lot different in the newest version |
| 16:46.39 | tux_mike | much better |
| 16:46.56 | tux_mike | kerg's hard work finally payed off |
| 16:47.04 | TheMasterMind1 | ahem.. |
| 16:47.06 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 16:47.07 | mwa | Sorry ZERO.9.1-snapshot in system info |
| 16:47.16 | kergoth | mwa: thats opie version, not oz version |
| 16:47.29 | kergoth | but yeah, a lot has changed from any previous version to 3 |
| 16:47.47 | TheMasterMind1 | tux_mike: other people work on oz too :) but you're right, kerg does most of it |
| 16:47.52 | mwa | tux_mike: busybox specifically. I know lots of other stuff has changed. |
| 16:48.03 | kergoth | hrmph, theres no vm-strict-overcommit or preempt patches for 2.4.20-rc1 |
| 16:48.07 | tux_mike | mwa: ask kergoth :) |
| 16:48.18 | tux_mike | TheMasterMind1: yah. props to everyone :) |
| 16:48.20 | TheMasterMind1 | mwa: we added ar to busybox, dont' remember if there was anything else |
| 16:48.34 | kergoth | we enabled a number of things in busybox as they got added |
| 16:48.35 | kergoth | top |
| 16:48.35 | kergoth | ar |
| 16:48.36 | kergoth | etc |
| 16:48.45 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 16:48.47 | kergoth | then we stopped when we locked it down before those archiving changes |
| 16:48.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:48.54 | kergoth | speaking of which, we need to test HEAD busybox again |
| 16:48.57 | TheMasterMind1 | we should check out head again |
| 16:48.58 | kergoth | see if we can untar |
| 16:48.58 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:48.59 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:48.59 | mwa | TheMasterMind1: ar shows up in mine. I'll post what I see. It can be updated later. |
| 16:49.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:49.23 | TheMasterMind1 | mwa: yea, good enough. it'll keep changing in the future no doubt |
| 16:49.56 | TheMasterMind1 | the site looks kickass now |
| 16:50.01 | TheMasterMind1 | especially with these antialiased fonts |
| 16:50.13 | mwa | TheMasterMind1: btw, you weren't around earlier. Super Kudos on the web site to you and noda. OZ was definitely suffering from information underload. |
| 16:50.30 | TheMasterMind1 | mwa: thanks |
| 16:50.47 | TheMasterMind1 | which reminds me, we need a credits page and a screenshots area still |
| 16:50.51 | TheMasterMind1 | among other things |
| 16:51.29 | mwa | Can FAQ submissions take HTML (e.g. href=busybox...) |
| 16:53.30 | ljp | hey.. if /etc/oz_version will be reliable for version numbers (other than 'unstable'), I'll add that & familiar version to sysinfo |
| 16:54.33 | kergoth | ljp: um |
| 16:54.38 | kergoth | ljp: ODevice already obtains version |
| 16:54.44 | kergoth | ljp: just display it in sysinfo using ODevice |
| 16:54.53 | ljp | ahh right-o |
| 16:54.58 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:55.37 | kergoth | mwa: yes |
| 16:55.50 | kergoth | mwa: infact, all faq submissions should be standard XHTML |
| 16:55.53 | kergoth | mwa: so close all your tags |
| 16:57.05 | mwa | kergoth: Gosh! Knowing that even makes <p>paragraphs</p> work ;) |
| 16:57.05 | chouimat | kergoth: mail me your usbnet.c |
| 16:57.18 | kergoth | mwa: bingo |
| 16:57.22 | kergoth | chouimat: k |
| 16:57.59 | alp | any way to install oz with an SD? |
| 16:58.05 | kergoth | alp: read the faq |
| 16:58.15 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:58.16 | TheMasterMind1 | rtfm |
| 16:58.17 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 16:59.38 | alp | heh |
| 17:02.45 | Titeuf | 'night |
| 17:02.48 | alp | the interface to the rom is proprietary? |
| 17:02.55 | kergoth | 'interface to the rom'? |
| 17:03.09 | kergoth | the CF updater firmware code on the zaurus is just that. an updater from CF. |
| 17:03.16 | alp | kernel interface to write to the read only memory. |
| 17:03.21 | kergoth | um |
| 17:03.22 | kergoth | first thing |
| 17:03.26 | kergoth | cf update isnt kenrel |
| 17:03.28 | kergoth | its firmware |
| 17:03.29 | kergoth | second thing |
| 17:03.33 | kergoth | its flash, not read only |
| 17:03.53 | alp | er, EEPROM is still a ROM :-) |
| 17:03.57 | kergoth | from an existing sharp rom you could theoretically write to the flash via /dev/kmem |
| 17:04.00 | chouimat | kergoth: we need another way to update the flash |
| 17:04.01 | kergoth | alp: its not EEPROM. |
| 17:04.04 | kergoth | alp: its flash memory. |
| 17:04.10 | kergoth | alp: look it up |
| 17:04.13 | kergoth | chouimat: agreed. but how? |
| 17:04.22 | alp | the faq calls it "ROM", kergoth. |
| 17:04.31 | kergoth | chouimat: if we use /dev/kmem from a qtopia app on a sharp rom, we'll be overwriting the filesystem out from under qtopia. |
| 17:04.39 | kergoth | alp: then its wrong. read your manual. |
| 17:04.52 | TheMasterMind1 | alp: where in the faq is that? |
| 17:05.04 | alp | TheMasterMind1: http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/browse_cat.php?id=5 |
| 17:05.20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: mind fixing that one for me? it should refer to it as 'flash memory' |
| 17:05.49 | numatrix | "Flashing the ROM" -> "flashing the flash memory" just doesn't have that ring to it... ;-) |
| 17:05.54 | chouimat | kergoth: I really love the agenda updater |
| 17:05.57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmmm |
| 17:06.08 | kergoth | funny thing is, sharp refers to it as a 'romimage' that you update |
| 17:06.09 | alp | kergoth: i was wondering if there's an alternative way to access the flash memory. just because the firmware updates it doesn't mean there isn't also a way to access it through the kernel |
| 17:06.14 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: it says "Sharp ROM" and "how do i go back to the original ROM" |
| 17:06.22 | kergoth | alp: i just told you |
| 17:06.22 | kergoth | alp: or chouimat rather |
| 17:06.32 | kergoth | alp: we can access it directly via /dev/kmem using the correct addresses |
| 17:06.44 | kergoth | alp: but we'd be writing the filesystem out from under qtopia |
| 17:06.52 | kergoth | alp: theres no way to predict how it would react to that. |
| 17:07.00 | numatrix | kergoth: How do they have their updater do it? |
| 17:07.01 | alp | heh, that brings back memories |
| 17:07.09 | mwa | Most the PR lingo for the Z refers to ROM v. RAM. I think _not_ using those terms will confuse ppl coming from Sharp "rom's" |
| 17:07.11 | kergoth | numatrix: dont know |
| 17:07.28 | chouimat | kergoth: hmmm just reset after that update? |
| 17:07.29 | numatrix | kergoth: Any chance we could get ben to find out? That would be useful... |
| 17:07.30 | kergoth | mwa: refering to the rom image on the Z as a rom image is fine |
| 17:07.41 | kergoth | mwa: the flash memory is not rom |
| 17:07.48 | kergoth | chouimat: point is |
| 17:07.54 | alp | if the system runs in ram, then overwriting the flash storage shouldn't be too disasterous if done properly |
| 17:07.54 | kergoth | chouimat: if its a qtopia app, it relys on libqpe |
| 17:08.04 | kergoth | alp: the system doesnt run in ram |
| 17:08.09 | kergoth | alp: i dont know where you get your information |
| 17:08.14 | numatrix | Hmm, that would make an excellent FAQ entry: "memory layout and definitions". Explain exactly the difference between heap, file system, all that stuff. |
| 17:08.16 | chouimat | kergoth: just made it a console app then |
| 17:08.22 | kergoth | chouimat: and if we wipe libqpe out from under it... |
| 17:08.25 | kergoth | numatrix: yes |
| 17:08.31 | TheMasterMind1 | oooh, numatrix is a superadmin |
| 17:08.33 | kergoth | chouimat: could do that |
| 17:08.34 | TheMasterMind1 | hehe |
| 17:08.40 | numatrix | TMM: Muhahaha! ;-) |
| 17:08.40 | alp | kergoth: er, it doesn't run in ram? then were does it run? |
| 17:08.43 | kergoth | chouimat: question is, how does the sharp updater do it |
| 17:08.45 | kergoth | alp: eh? |
| 17:08.52 | mwa | alp: OZ uses what-u-call rom as /, and it's writeable |
| 17:08.54 | chouimat | kergoth: if the the apps is running then libqpe is in memory then |
| 17:08.54 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix i'm a supersuper admin, i got the mysql pass :) |
| 17:08.57 | kergoth | alp: it mounts a ramdisk on /home |
| 17:09.05 | kergoth | alp: 99% of the files that are accessed are accessed from flash |
| 17:09.14 | numatrix | TMM: That's one way to do it... you've got cvs to the html, so that's kinda a giveaway... |
| 17:09.18 | kergoth | alp: and just becuase you've -executed- a binary doesnt mean it wont need to read that file again |
| 17:09.20 | chouimat | kergoth: maybe will could ask ben about it? |
| 17:09.30 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: :) |
| 17:09.31 | kergoth | alp: you arent guaranteed that it will reside in memory permanently |
| 17:09.45 | alp | kergoth: there are ways to ensure that |
| 17:09.47 | TheMasterMind1 | you can anongrab the cvs... the mysql pass isn't in there |
| 17:09.49 | kergoth | alp: eh? |
| 17:09.59 | kergoth | alp: from an existing operational qtopia system? how? |
| 17:10.06 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: really? How does it connect to the db then? |
| 17:10.17 | kergoth | numatrix: the pass is in a locally modified file |
| 17:10.23 | kergoth | numatrix: in its checked out copy |
| 17:10.24 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix you don't. you would have to setup your own db from the db dump |
| 17:10.28 | chouimat | kergoth: the sharp updater is in sharp rom image? |
| 17:10.34 | kergoth | chouimat: yes |
| 17:10.40 | kergoth | chouimat: its in flash in a certain flash partition |
| 17:10.46 | numatrix | That's good at least. Wouldn't be good, otherwise. |
| 17:10.50 | alp | kergoth: i've done the exact same procedure on an i-opener. it's quite possible |
| 17:10.58 | chouimat | kergoth: so we just need to disassemble it then |
| 17:11.00 | TheMasterMind1 | what about the USB flasher? |
| 17:11.02 | kergoth | alp: well if you do it, let me know |
| 17:11.07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thats what we're talking about |
| 17:11.08 | TheMasterMind1 | for the 5500 |
| 17:11.13 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ok |
| 17:11.18 | kergoth | somebody strace the sharp updater qtopia app |
| 17:11.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:11.27 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: that don't work with th 5000d |
| 17:11.29 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm? what qtopia app? |
| 17:11.37 | kergoth | theres a qtopia sharp updater as well |
| 17:11.39 | kergoth | its an ipk |
| 17:11.41 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 17:11.46 | kergoth | it was only available for one rom version |
| 17:11.55 | TheMasterMind1 | how come |
| 17:11.57 | chouimat | kergoth: where? |
| 17:12.15 | alp | kergoth: in fact, i believe there used to be a sharp utility that allowed flash updating via the docking cradle |
| 17:12.29 | kergoth | alp: um, are you in this conversation? |
| 17:12.36 | kergoth | alp: we just said that |
| 17:12.37 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 17:12.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:12.59 | numatrix | TMM: here? require_once "DB.php"; |
| 17:13.09 | chouimat | any good strongarm disasm? |
| 17:13.10 | TheMasterMind1 | alp: don't mind kergoth. he works at a tech support company |
| 17:13.39 | alp | ah, that's fine then :-) |
| 17:13.42 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix snooping around on sf? |
| 17:13.53 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: yeah; just curious. |
| 17:14.07 | numatrix | One of the worst jobs I had was working tech support for a company that outsourced gateway tech support. It was a decent job considering I was in high school, but dang if you didn't get frustrated. |
| 17:14.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:14.24 | kergoth | i get frustrated all the time |
| 17:14.27 | kergoth | i do tech support all day |
| 17:14.29 | kergoth | then i come home |
| 17:14.32 | kergoth | and do OZ tech support |
| 17:14.35 | chouimat | numatrix: or want to kill everything that lived near you |
| 17:14.38 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:14.39 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 17:14.39 | kergoth | and i dont put up with shit when people arent paying me |
| 17:14.41 | TheMasterMind1 | funstuff |
| 17:14.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:15.17 | TheMasterMind1 | does the phone company charge you if you make a long distance phone call, let it ring once and then hang up |
| 17:15.18 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 17:15.40 | mwa | kergoth: I've been lurking here from home & work, and you're always here. |
| 17:16.05 | kergoth | when i'm not out partying with friends, yeah |
| 17:16.06 | Twiun | mwa: he's plugged in at the keyboard ps/2socket |
| 17:16.10 | kergoth | i lurk on irc at work as well |
| 17:16.10 | mwa | kergoth: Someone was offering to buy you a book. If I could, I'd buy you a life! |
| 17:16.15 | kergoth | haha |
| 17:16.20 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: no |
| 17:16.33 | kergoth | I have a life surprisingly, go out with friends whenever i can drag them out |
| 17:16.36 | kergoth | no woman though |
| 17:16.38 | kergoth | blah |
| 17:16.43 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix wonderful |
| 17:17.04 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 17:17.05 | kergoth | my friends are all getting houses and wives and shit |
| 17:17.07 | TheMasterMind1 | buy me a life |
| 17:17.08 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: They can't charge you unless the other side picks up. |
| 17:17.13 | kergoth | nobody wants to go out anymore |
| 17:17.15 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix awesome |
| 17:17.35 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: which means if you REALLY need to make a LD call for free, pre-arrange with someone to not answer, and you could use an elaborate code of the number of rings passing information. ;-) |
| 17:18.05 | numatrix | kergoth: I'm 1/2 (got the wife), but no house yet. |
| 17:18.13 | kergoth | I have a house and no wive |
| 17:18.14 | kergoth | wife |
| 17:18.16 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:18.21 | mwa | kergoth: Wives are OK. House's are really, REALLY expensive PC cases. |
| 17:18.26 | numatrix | See, each half-way there. ;-) |
| 17:18.32 | chouimat | I'm have no house and an ex-wife ... |
| 17:18.34 | kergoth | mwa: yeah, you're telling me |
| 17:18.47 | kergoth | mwa: i cant afford to have a life! |
| 17:18.50 | kergoth | mwa: housebroken |
| 17:18.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:19.11 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: what's that.. like -1/2 ? |
| 17:19.16 | kergoth | lol |
| 17:19.35 | chouimat | and wives are just an expensive way to have sex on a regular basis |
| 17:19.35 | mwa | Where is that freaking Sharp rom-updater-from-Windows-only thing!?!? |
| 17:19.42 | numatrix | btw; should changelog be inside of the docs setting? |
| 17:20.18 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix probably not |
| 17:20.49 | numatrix | mwa: http://www.myzaurus.com/romupdate4.asp |
| 17:20.54 | chouimat | hmmm must find a disasm |
| 17:20.56 | numatrix | mwa: And look for setup.exe |
| 17:22.17 | numatrix | Ehh? IPMonger? Hmm, lots of people I don't recognize in the channel. Getting large again. |
| 17:23.28 | kergoth | numatrix: yeah, its getting like zaurus |
| 17:23.34 | kergoth | lots of idlers and lurkers :) |
| 17:23.48 | kergoth | at least the newbie count is less than #zaurus still |
| 17:23.50 | numatrix | kergoth: Not that I can say much considering I have two accounts on here at the same time, but... ;-) |
| 17:23.56 | chouimat | kergoth: do you have a arm disassembler? |
| 17:23.59 | kergoth | chouimat: not handy |
| 17:24.02 | kergoth | numatrix: hehe |
| 17:25.27 | numatrix | btw; I was glancing through the logs and I noticed Dessimat0r had an idea about font sizes screwing with hancomword. Has anybody found out from the #opie people what might have made the difference? |
| 17:26.11 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix it sounds like a problem in qte |
| 17:26.15 | TheMasterMind1 | which opie doesn't control |
| 17:26.26 | TheMasterMind1 | we might need to create a patch to qte to fix it |
| 17:26.34 | TheMasterMind1 | or maybe get the hancom people to recompile with new qte |
| 17:28.51 | numatrix | Does anybody know anyone from hancom that might do that? |
| 17:29.09 | numatrix | Sounds like we'll have a nice big list for ben on monday. ;-) |
| 17:29.48 | kergoth | numatrix: the thing is, 2.3.4 is supposed to be BC with 2.3.2 |
| 17:29.56 | kergoth | numatrix: if it isnt, its likely a qt/e problem |
| 17:30.18 | numatrix | Then I guess it's trolltech we should be talking to... Hmm.. |
| 17:32.11 | numatrix | By the way, Harlekin was able to get Opera working on OZ a while ago manually, so apparently it's possible. Ben's script doesn't do it correctly right now, but it should be possible to get it working. Fixing that and resolving this hancom problem would be excellent. Then the only incompatibilities would be with poorly designed apps... |
| 17:34.09 | kergoth | brb, rebooting onto 2.4.20-rc1 w/ usbnet Z support |
| 17:37.46 | qdzlug | \quit |
| 17:42.20 | numatrix | out for the evening; later all |
| 17:45.28 | ljp | hmm |
| 17:52.15 | ljp | kergoth: /etc/oz_version needs oz version ;) |
| 17:53.23 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 17:54.01 | kergoth | eh? |
| 17:54.06 | kergoth | in 3.0 its 3.0 |
| 17:54.12 | kergoth | i dunno what oz-base you're on .. |
| 17:54.21 | kergoth | unless that change got reverted accidentally or something |
| 17:54.23 | kergoth | cause i made the change |
| 17:54.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:54.40 | kergoth | /usr/src/coding/projects/userspace/buildroot/build/oz-base/etc$ cat oz_version |
| 17:54.43 | kergoth | 3.0 |
| 17:54.44 | kergoth | like i said |
| 17:54.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:55.58 | ljp | I just wanted to make sure its there |
| 17:56.50 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:56.52 | ljp | mine says unstable :) |
| 17:57.03 | ljp | I havent flashed lately |
| 17:57.18 | kergoth | ah yeah |
| 17:57.24 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. where'd that spider go.. |
| 17:57.27 | kergoth | the versions of the packages in testing and unstable will read .. testing and unstable |
| 17:57.32 | kergoth | stable will read whatever version is pending |
| 17:59.48 | ljp | although for whatever reason, this version of ODevice doesnt report any string |
| 18:00.04 | ljp | I reckon I suppose I should flash here this weekend |
| 18:00.51 | kergoth | ljp: i noticed that opie-login didnt show a version at the login page .. |
| 18:00.58 | kergoth | ljp: probably a ODevice bug |
| 18:01.47 | ljp | hmm |
| 18:02.28 | ljp | hmm readline().mid(10) |
| 18:02.29 | kergoth | never had a chance to look into it |
| 18:03.27 | ljp | hehehe thats why |
| 18:03.34 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:03.43 | kergoth | oh |
| 18:03.43 | kergoth | ! |
| 18:03.44 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:03.57 | kergoth | doh |
| 18:04.46 | ljp | returns null string since mid arg is out of range |
| 18:07.12 | ljp | heh never have a cat step on your keyboard as your editing stuff |
| 18:08.21 | mwa | ljp: And exactly _how_ do you stop them? |
| 18:08.52 | ljp | squirt gun |
| 18:09.36 | mwa | Do you have one of those "spill-resistent" keyboards? |
| 18:09.37 | nasa | When I try to run java apps I keep getting errors about ".: Can't open /home/QtPalmtop/bin/installdir.sh" |
| 18:09.37 | chouimat | kergoth: emailed the file? |
| 18:10.12 | nasa | and/or "java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:" |
| 18:10.14 | kergoth | nasa: swipe installdir.sh from sharp |
| 18:10.19 | kergoth | chouimat: nah, forgot, hold on |
| 18:11.09 | ljp | try that... |
| 18:11.16 | nasa | kergoth: there's a website the describes mounting the sharp rom -- do you know where it is? |
| 18:11.31 | kergoth | nasa: use romburst to rip it apart |
| 18:11.43 | kergoth | nasa: then mount -t cramfs -o loop ROMDISK.bin /mountpoint |
| 18:11.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:11.49 | kergoth | nasa: its in the devzone on opie.us |
| 18:11.56 | kergoth | ljp: give nasa that ip :) |
| 18:12.33 | ljp | http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/ZaurusMountROM.txt |
| 18:12.46 | nasa | Thanks! |
| 18:12.52 | ljp | :D |
| 18:13.46 | Twiun | nasa: installdir.sh is used because java apps need to get an absolute path for their .jar libraries |
| 18:13.54 | kryhme | mounting file systems again :oP |
| 18:14.06 | Twiun | nasa: if you can find a better way of finding that info out, I'll change the faq |
| 18:14.33 | kergoth | does jeodcreator include installdir.sh? |
| 18:14.48 | Twiun | probably not |
| 18:14.51 | kryhme | no |
| 18:14.57 | kergoth | we should fix that |
| 18:14.58 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:15.06 | Twiun | yeah, but installdir.sh is a kludge anyway |
| 18:15.11 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:15.12 | kergoth | but apps use it |
| 18:15.14 | kergoth | so OZ needs it |
| 18:15.15 | kryhme | nasa, are you trying to put jeode on oz? |
| 18:15.26 | nasa | Sure am |
| 18:15.28 | Twiun | kergoth: *sigh* I suppose so |
| 18:15.43 | kolla | yes, installdir.sh was one of the things I put in my archive |
| 18:15.44 | kryhme | nasa: i've been trying to do this for about 4 hours now |
| 18:16.34 | kolla | kryhme: any luck yet? :) |
| 18:16.49 | kryhme | no, fucked it up quite a bit though |
| 18:17.22 | kryhme | kolla: i untar it and then i have to go through and find it all and delete it by hand when it doesn't work |
| 18:17.37 | kryhme | i don't think you can just untar that package and have it work |
| 18:17.50 | kergoth | um |
| 18:17.53 | kolla | sure you can |
| 18:17.59 | kergoth | you did change the paths in the script right? |
| 18:18.22 | kryhme | i couldn't find those files in the rom to save my life |
| 18:18.30 | kolla | oh, I did forget to put installdir.sh in the archive |
| 18:18.33 | kryhme | even after unpackaging all the files in root |
| 18:19.15 | kryhme | man, installing applications is like pulling teeth |
| 18:19.43 | kryhme | my kingdom for an ipk |
| 18:20.01 | Twiun | kryhme: doesn't jeodecreator make an ipk? |
| 18:20.24 | nasa | kolla: yeah I noticed.... :> |
| 18:20.27 | kryhme | yeah, but i'm having trouble using it on the sharp rom on my hd |
| 18:20.32 | kolla | kryhme: deleting the files afterwords is a simple task though |
| 18:20.47 | kryhme | kolla: how so |
| 18:20.51 | kolla | nasa: sorry about that, I must have copied over afterwards |
| 18:22.34 | kolla | kryhme: tar tzvf jeode.tgz | awk '{print $6}' | grep -v '/$' | xargs rm |
| 18:22.36 | kolla | :) |
| 18:22.38 | nasa | kolla: that's cool -- I can copy a file (with a little help) |
| 18:22.52 | nobse | moins TheMasterMind1 |
| 18:22.55 | nobse | args |
| 18:23.00 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:23.07 | kryhme | kolla: run that command in / right ?? |
| 18:23.28 | kolla | ye.. and oh. your archive is probably jeode.tar.gz |
| 18:23.37 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 18:23.39 | kryhme | si |
| 18:23.47 | kolla | and cross your fingers hoping that busybox awk knows how to do this :) |
| 18:24.09 | kolla | never figured out what those busybox versions can and cannot do |
| 18:24.19 | kryhme | you sure this is gonna put the files in the right places in oz... i hate trying to find all those files |
| 18:24.24 | kergoth | if busybox awk cant print a column |
| 18:24.26 | kergoth | we're in trouble |
| 18:24.28 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:24.34 | kolla | :) |
| 18:25.28 | kergoth | okay buildroot builds me a binutils now |
| 18:25.32 | kergoth | in /usr/local/arm/[gccver] |
| 18:25.34 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 18:25.37 | chouimat | ok my dinner will be ready in about 1hr |
| 18:26.03 | nasa | kolla: I placed installdir.sh in /home/QtPalmtop/bin/ and then tried to run an app -- the app does nothing.... |
| 18:26.22 | kryhme | where is pipe |
| 18:26.36 | nasa | shift/space |
| 18:26.36 | kergoth | shift space or fn space |
| 18:26.39 | kergoth | dpeending on context |
| 18:27.17 | kryhme | how do i get those brackets? |
| 18:27.35 | kergoth | using an inputmethod |
| 18:27.41 | kergoth | cant from the hw keyboard i dont think |
| 18:27.43 | kolla | nasa: what happoens if you run it from the shell? |
| 18:28.04 | kolla | this apps doesnt happen to be the skygazer program? |
| 18:28.08 | kolla | :) |
| 18:28.36 | kryhme | i tried installing that and it didn't work |
| 18:28.57 | nasa | kolla: skygazer and othello show same thing -- running from the console I will type the command and then it just returns |
| 18:29.00 | kryhme | probably cause of jeode |
| 18:29.04 | nasa | no output or anything.... |
| 18:29.32 | kolla | well |
| 18:29.34 | kolla | no |
| 18:29.42 | kolla | check the permission on those files |
| 18:29.51 | kolla | I had to chmod 755 on the skyblurb to get it going |
| 18:30.00 | kolla | it was 644 for some reason beyond me |
| 18:30.23 | nasa | kolla: already checked that... |
| 18:30.27 | kolla | ok |
| 18:30.39 | kolla | strange that it works for me then |
| 18:31.05 | ljp | poop.. |
| 18:31.09 | kolla | how about those demos? |
| 18:31.17 | nasa | demos do work |
| 18:31.44 | kolla | then in theory the rest should too |
| 18:32.04 | Twiun | not necessarily |
| 18:32.07 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:32.18 | Twiun | othello is an application and so is stargazer I believe |
| 18:32.22 | Twiun | the demos are applets |
| 18:32.36 | kolla | the skyblurb works here |
| 18:32.39 | Twiun | try drugmoney |
| 18:34.20 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:34.48 | TheMasterMind1 | is this jeod on oz? |
| 18:35.10 | mwa | kolla: just double-checked. busybox doesn't have an awk. |
| 18:36.17 | kergoth | yes, it does |
| 18:36.22 | kolla | mine has |
| 18:36.22 | mwa | kergoth: awk is not listed on the busybox page as an applet |
| 18:36.23 | kergoth | its a newly added applet |
| 18:36.27 | kergoth | mwa: you have an old busybox. |
| 18:36.47 | kolla | drugmoney didnt want to install |
| 18:37.00 | Twiun | qpe 1.5.0 dependency? |
| 18:37.09 | kergoth | -force-depends |
| 18:37.14 | kergoth | god i want to smack the shit out of TT |
| 18:37.25 | kergoth | for putting a specific version dependency in their example |
| 18:37.28 | kergoth | dumbasses |
| 18:37.42 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: calm down |
| 18:37.51 | Twiun | and it's not as if java apps need qpe-base... they just need jeode |
| 18:37.57 | kolla | it doesnt give any feedback on why it wont install |
| 18:38.03 | mwa | kergoth: Good think I put 'type busybox to see what you got' in the faq submission |
| 18:38.08 | Twiun | they never took the whole java side too seriously methinks |
| 18:38.44 | kolla | I just get tossed back to the prompt |
| 18:39.19 | kolla | no output whatsoever |
| 18:39.19 | kergoth | mwa: hehe |
| 18:39.19 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: it still bothers me :) |
| 18:39.19 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: not pissed, annoyed |
| 18:39.58 | chouimat|tv | hehe my cat his currently eating fried noodle |
| 18:43.18 | nasa | kolla: I found the problem -- just not sure how to fix.... |
| 18:43.33 | kolla | what was the problem? |
| 18:43.46 | nasa | kolla: the installdir.sh script doesn't find the directory --- which causes it to exit |
| 18:44.00 | kolla | aha |
| 18:44.02 | Twiun | which dir is it looking for? |
| 18:44.24 | nasa | Strangely enough it is lookng for where it is installed.... |
| 18:44.52 | kolla | I need to reboot, memory filled with dead procs :) |
| 18:44.59 | Twiun | that's a circular answer... gimme! |
| 18:46.12 | mwa | kergoth: Were you working on the vncserver loses screen input thing? |
| 18:46.34 | TheMasterMind1 | yea we're trying to fix that |
| 18:46.41 | nasa | could someone explain this line to me? "if [ -f /home/QtPalmtop/bin/$BINNAME -a ! -L /home/QtPalmtop/bin/$BINNAME ]" |
| 18:47.07 | nasa | I realize it is checking for the existance of $BINNAME but what does the 2nd half do? |
| 18:47.28 | mwa | I'm planning on flashing tomorrow (found my CF card!). What can I do to diagnose, assist, whatever.... |
| 18:48.13 | ibz | nasa: -L checks that it is a symbolic link and exists...so in this case, NOT a symbolic link |
| 18:49.24 | ibz | nasa: So, if $BINNAME exists and isn't a symbolic link, then do blah... |
| 18:49.47 | mwa | Are #openzaurus logs archived anywhere? |
| 18:50.15 | ibz | ibot logs |
| 18:50.15 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ |
| 18:52.35 | mwa | ibot: You're too damn cool! |
| 18:52.35 | | mwa: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:52.55 | kryhme | damn, a log of everything we say |
| 18:53.00 | mwa | ibot: thanks anyway |
| 18:53.00 | | no worries, mwa |
| 18:53.14 | ibz | ibot botsnack |
| 18:53.14 | | thanks ibz :) |
| 18:53.17 | kryhme | president, bin laden, uranium |
| 18:53.34 | chouimat|tv | hi benmeyer |
| 18:53.37 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 18:53.38 | benmeyer | haha |
| 18:53.49 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: |
| 18:53.54 | chouimat|tv | mwa? |
| 18:53.58 | benmeyer | Hey does anyone know of a motherboard that allows you to boot off |
| 18:53.58 | benmeyer | of a usb mass storage? |
| 18:53.59 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: are you working on the ppp module :0) |
| 18:54.00 | kergoth | hey benmeyer |
| 18:54.06 | benmeyer | TheMasterMind1: one day |
| 18:54.17 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: also, can you fix your creator scripts so that they don't depend on qpe 1.5.0 |
| 18:54.19 | mwa | chouimat|tv: ? |
| 18:54.25 | benmeyer | not really |
| 18:54.26 | TheMasterMind1 | there was something else too.. i can't remember |
| 18:54.36 | chouimat|tv | mwa?????????????????????? :P |
| 18:54.37 | benmeyer | there are a bunch of errors with the creator scripts |
| 18:54.50 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: heh |
| 18:54.52 | benmeyer | I really don't care to fix them all, but if someone else wants to... |
| 18:55.44 | kergoth | i'll look at em at some point |
| 18:55.45 | kergoth | dunno when |
| 18:55.48 | kergoth | got lots of shit to do |
| 18:56.12 | kergoth | i'm about done teaching buildroot to build me a gcc3.2 toolchain with glibc 2.3.1 |
| 18:56.40 | kryhme | i'm going to start a webpage dedicated to how long it takes me to do the most simple tasks |
| 18:57.03 | benmeyer | kergoth: you have better things to do |
| 18:57.17 | benmeyer | kryhme: and how long will it take? |
| 18:57.41 | benmeyer | The main reason I don't care to fix it is because they change every sharp ROM release |
| 18:57.52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:58.04 | kryhme | i'm guessing jeode will end up taking me at least a few more hours. possibly moving into mid day tomorrow. |
| 18:58.20 | benmeyer | and with me refusing to use anyting > .37 it creates a problem |
| 18:58.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:58.37 | kergoth | dont agree with their fucking joke of a security fix? |
| 18:59.17 | benmeyer | I don't |
| 18:59.46 | benmeyer | pisses me off sense the usb connectivity is such a joke |
| 18:59.54 | benmeyer | all of the z's drivers are such a joke |
| 19:00.07 | benmeyer | the battery actually has 621 or something values |
| 19:00.13 | benmeyer | but the driver only shows 5 |
| 19:00.14 | ibz | nor do i but that rom fixes my sandisk issue... |
| 19:00.19 | benmeyer | 0, 25, 50, 75, 100 |
| 19:00.28 | kergoth | benmeyer: hey, oz has better battery status |
| 19:00.34 | benmeyer | ibz download the driver and put it on .37 |
| 19:00.36 | kergoth | benmeyer: as of a couple days ago, thanks to tik |
| 19:00.43 | benmeyer | what did the patch give you? |
| 19:00.50 | kergoth | benmeyer: and thanks to pavel usbnet supports the Z now, so usbdnet is -dead- |
| 19:01.07 | benmeyer | ? |
| 19:01.13 | benmeyer | sorry? |
| 19:01.15 | kergoth | usbdnet is shit |
| 19:01.16 | benmeyer | what is usbnet? |
| 19:01.22 | kergoth | the ipaq host side usb ethernet driver |
| 19:01.36 | benmeyer | built in? |
| 19:01.40 | benmeyer | to the kernel |
| 19:01.40 | kergoth | in the kernel sources |
| 19:01.46 | benmeyer | no patching? |
| 19:01.46 | kergoth | usbnet with Z support will be in 2.4.21 |
| 19:01.57 | kergoth | its patching now, cause its not in a release kernel yet |
| 19:01.58 | ibz | for next development kernel release... |
| 19:02.00 | kergoth | but it was sent to the usb devel list |
| 19:02.01 | benmeyer | wooooah |
| 19:02.05 | kergoth | i know |
| 19:02.06 | kergoth | it rocks |
| 19:02.13 | kergoth | pavelm told me he started work on it |
| 19:02.17 | kergoth | i didnt realize he was this far already |
| 19:02.22 | benmeyer | is it supported in the sharp rom |
| 19:02.25 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:02.28 | kergoth | its a host side thing |
| 19:02.30 | kergoth | not a Z side thing |
| 19:02.41 | ibz | there was a post on zaurus-general... |
| 19:02.43 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:02.50 | kergoth | i didnt expect it to happen this soon |
| 19:02.54 | kergoth | i was pleasantly surprised |
| 19:03.09 | benmeyer | yah, so the week after I re-wrote all of the linux conectivity docs... |
| 19:03.14 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:03.16 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:03.24 | kergoth | but currently this patch only applies to 2.4.20-rc1 |
| 19:03.28 | kergoth | not anything previous |
| 19:03.31 | kergoth | so you've got time |
| 19:03.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:03.38 | benmeyer | ok |
| 19:04.35 | kergoth | hrm |
| 19:04.48 | kergoth | libc6 needs kernel headers to build |
| 19:04.50 | kergoth | gcc needs libc6 |
| 19:04.56 | kergoth | kernel needs gcc |
| 19:05.11 | kryhme | chicken or the egg |
| 19:05.22 | ibz | g'nite |
| 19:05.25 | kergoth | night ibz |
| 19:05.27 | benmeyer | night |
| 19:05.30 | kryhme | night |
| 19:06.11 | kryhme | anynoe seen W|ggl|t ? |
| 19:06.36 | kryhme | ibot seen w|ggl|t |
| 19:06.36 | | kryhme: i haven't seen 'w|ggl|t' |
| 19:06.50 | kryhme | ibot seen tz |
| 19:06.50 | | kryhme: i haven't seen 'tz' |
| 19:07.22 | kryhme | you leave for a month and everyone bails on you |
| 19:07.34 | kergoth | um |
| 19:07.35 | kergoth | no |
| 19:07.39 | kergoth | ibot was changed |
| 19:07.39 | | kergoth: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 19:07.43 | kergoth | he's on a new codebase now |
| 19:07.54 | kryhme | yeah, i know ibot got swapped |
| 19:07.56 | kergoth | so his seen info was wiped when he was started |
| 19:08.03 | kryhme | but those people aren't here |
| 19:08.11 | kergoth | not right now they arent |
| 19:08.18 | kergoth | and they havent been since ibot was changed |
| 19:08.19 | kergoth | eh |
| 19:08.29 | kryhme | yeah, but that's been a few weeks hasn't it |
| 19:09.02 | ljp | I'm just a fixin' machine tonight |
| 19:09.06 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:09.08 | kergoth | gcc requires libc |
| 19:09.11 | kergoth | libc requires gcc |
| 19:09.12 | kergoth | i hate that. |
| 19:09.22 | ljp | haha |
| 19:09.42 | kergoth | well, you can build enough of gcc to build libc without libc |
| 19:09.50 | kergoth | then you can build the rest when you have libc |
| 19:09.53 | kergoth | still a pain in the ass |
| 19:10.06 | kergoth | and teaching buildroot such things is a bitch |
| 19:10.10 | ljp | hmm |
| 19:10.46 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: look at the gentoo bootstrap script |
| 19:10.51 | kergoth | okay i'll make it just use your existing toolchain's libc to build gcc, for now |
| 19:10.57 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: i know how the builds work |
| 19:11.05 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: its just making buildroot competant thats a pain |
| 19:11.07 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: hehe :) |
| 19:11.26 | kergoth | for now the toolchain build requires that you have a toolchain already |
| 19:11.34 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: and make it install the result cross-compilation environment somewhere :) |
| 19:11.35 | kergoth | so it uses your 2.95.2 to build a 3.2 |
| 19:11.44 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: yeah, right now it puts it in /usr/local/arm/[gccver] |
| 19:11.50 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: :) |
| 19:12.14 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: i'm also speaking of qte,opie,openssl etc ... |
| 19:12.37 | ljp | goddamn.. gimme something to fix! |
| 19:12.37 | chouimat|tv | :) |
| 19:12.49 | kergoth | what about them? |
| 19:12.51 | kergoth | we have those .. |
| 19:12.57 | kergoth | you mean making them build with gcc3.2? |
| 19:13.08 | chouimat|tv | ljp: ok I want a date with a nice redhead chick |
| 19:13.43 | mwa | kergoth: ibot says there's a "heavily modified" buildroot for oz. Where can I get my greedy little hands on it? |
| 19:13.52 | kergoth | ibot: tell mwa about oz bk |
| 19:13.54 | kergoth | ibot: tell mwa about oz snapshot |
| 19:14.01 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: no just keep the result into another so we can just install buildroot and have the complete environment to work other software not yet in build root |
| 19:14.21 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: ahh |
| 19:14.42 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: so have it put staging/usr/lib/ into toolchain libdir? |
| 19:14.59 | benmeyer | I had fun on friday optimizing and cleaning up my code in network setup |
| 19:15.02 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: something like prc-tools |
| 19:15.02 | ljp | chouim: sorry, cant fix that.. I meant code.. I'm on a code fix binge here |
| 19:15.22 | kergoth | ljp: i noticed.. commits left and right.. |
| 19:15.24 | benmeyer | I wonder how many other apps could have the same thing done |
| 19:15.24 | kergoth | nice |
| 19:15.27 | benmeyer | save a lot of space |
| 19:15.54 | benmeyer | never new you could optimize c++ so much until I started looking around on the web |
| 19:16.18 | benmeyer | Course a lot of them were generic C optimizations, but good C++ ones too |
| 19:16.29 | mwa | ok, 'tween #openzaurus logs & buildroot I should come back less ignorant. Thanks! |
| 19:17.18 | ljp | I must have made some strong coffee today :) |
| 19:17.33 | benmeyer | Get app size down as much as possible. Be like palm |
| 19:17.38 | benmeyer | only require 1MB of space, haha |
| 19:17.39 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: that way when you or someone will need a development box for the zaurus, he will just need to add buildroot |
| 19:18.02 | Twiun | benmeyer: lol... that's 500k less than my jvm ipk |
| 19:18.04 | benmeyer | maybe we should shoot for 8MB so it will work on the new palm devices? |
| 19:18.16 | ljp | uh huh |
| 19:18.17 | benmeyer | as the default install |
| 19:18.22 | benmeyer | for user pim |
| 19:18.30 | kergoth | benmeyer: theres no way you'll get opie in 8mb |
| 19:18.31 | benmeyer | clean up code etc |
| 19:18.33 | ljp | oh, I thought you were talking memory usage |
| 19:18.34 | benmeyer | no? |
| 19:18.35 | chouimat|tv | benmeyer: you want to add prc-tools to buildroot? |
| 19:18.47 | kergoth | benmeyer: base system will take quite a bit |
| 19:18.52 | benmeyer | 8mb flash? |
| 19:18.54 | kergoth | benmeyer: would probably want to use uclibc rather than glibc |
| 19:19.01 | kergoth | glibc is huge |
| 19:19.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:19.07 | benmeyer | 2MB? |
| 19:19.11 | benmeyer | how big |
| 19:19.13 | Twiun | right, best be off... 'night guys |
| 19:19.18 | benmeyer | yah moving to some small libc would be good |
| 19:19.25 | benmeyer | as long as internationalization was there |
| 19:19.33 | benmeyer | does uclibc support it? |
| 19:19.38 | chouimat|tv | benmeyer: depend of the palm model some have no flash rom in it (like my m125) |
| 19:19.45 | benmeyer | the new arm one |
| 19:19.50 | benmeyer | 8MB flash |
| 19:19.55 | benmeyer | 16RAM |
| 19:20.02 | benmeyer | 16 is the most that the palm kernel supports |
| 19:20.03 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:20.05 | chouimat|tv | benmeyer: ok the tungstein |
| 19:20.24 | benmeyer | 64MB sd cards are 4 16MB devices |
| 19:20.26 | benmeyer | hahahahaha |
| 19:20.30 | kergoth | benmeyer: yes uclibc supports internationalization |
| 19:20.37 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 19:20.40 | kergoth | benmeyer: I'll add it to the buildroot so we can play around |
| 19:20.41 | benmeyer | anyone tried using it? |
| 19:20.46 | benmeyer | nice |
| 19:20.55 | benmeyer | binaries will probably be smaller because of it too then... |
| 19:20.59 | kergoth | but first goddamnit i'm going to finish my toolchain build |
| 19:21.00 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 19:21.05 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 19:21.05 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 19:21.14 | TheMasterMind1 | this sucks |
| 19:21.34 | ljp | is fortune plugin working? |
| 19:21.34 | kryhme | agreed |
| 19:21.34 | benmeyer | anyone play with miniX11? |
| 19:21.42 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 19:21.42 | benmeyer | see if it uses more memory/space? |
| 19:21.42 | TheMasterMind1 | tinyx ? |
| 19:21.46 | benmeyer | yah that |
| 19:21.46 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: does uclibc compile IPSEC yet? |
| 19:23.15 | ljp | heh funny.. I have qtopiadesktop source in the middle of my opie tree |
| 19:23.59 | chouimat|tv | ljp: huh? |
| 19:24.02 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: not certain |
| 19:24.31 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 19:24.48 | benmeyer | well this is where the fun build system comes in to build different libc's, processors etc |
| 19:24.52 | benmeyer | gcc, qt |
| 19:24.54 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:25.04 | benmeyer | 22 different feeds! whwhahahaha |
| 19:25.15 | benmeyer | libc |
| 19:25.19 | ljp | benmeyer: are you drunk? |
| 19:25.36 | benmeyer | na, but it is Saturday so I could get drunk.... |
| 19:26.17 | ljp | didnt your mother tell you never play with the blender? |
| 19:26.33 | chouimat|tv | ljp: qtopiadesktop source? |
| 19:27.16 | benmeyer | 1 make funky drinks; 2 drink 3 if empty glass && findKitchen() goto 1u |
| 19:27.34 | ljp | ya.. in July TT made a big booboo and published the QD source in a qtopia snapshot |
| 19:27.46 | ljp | I happened to dl it and aasked about the license |
| 19:27.52 | benmeyer | your kidding! |
| 19:27.54 | kergoth | dont drink and code basic |
| 19:28.00 | ljp | they told me not to distribute it :) |
| 19:28.02 | benmeyer | haha |
| 19:28.06 | benmeyer | oh man.... |
| 19:28.10 | ljp | zecke has it also |
| 19:28.18 | benmeyer | too bad it is almost worthless |
| 19:28.24 | ljp | hehehe |
| 19:28.32 | benmeyer | oh! give it to the mac guys |
| 19:28.39 | benmeyer | actually can someone send it to me |
| 19:28.39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:28.44 | benmeyer | the mac guys got the driver working |
| 19:28.47 | ljp | I wish I could |
| 19:28.50 | benmeyer | but need qtopia to test |
| 19:28.53 | benmeyer | already deleted? |
| 19:28.58 | ljp | no |
| 19:29.06 | benmeyer | already agreed not to distribute? |
| 19:29.09 | ljp | ni license to distribute |
| 19:29.18 | benmeyer | ok |
| 19:29.19 | ljp | and its old |
| 19:29.50 | benmeyer | Hmmmm something tells me this will be a big week |
| 19:30.17 | ljp | even thought it came with a 'personal use' license |
| 19:30.20 | benmeyer | give me a buzz oh say 12:01 on monday night :-D |
| 19:30.23 | ljp | though |
| 19:30.28 | nasa | Thanks for the explanation ibiz |
| 19:30.35 | ljp | TT was supposed to publish a plugin API for it |
| 19:30.44 | benmeyer | ljp: give me a buzz oh say 12:01 on monday night :-D |
| 19:30.46 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:31.04 | ljp | :D |
| 19:31.21 | kergoth | nasa: ? |
| 19:31.34 | benmeyer | hmmm, actually if someone is from russia it would be 12:01 on monday around 5pm right? |
| 19:31.50 | ljp | what happens at 12:01? |
| 19:31.53 | nasa | kergoth: ibiz explained a line for me (awhile ago) and I was expressing my thanks |
| 19:31.58 | benmeyer | I get to tell you stuff |
| 19:32.08 | nasa | s/ibiz/ibz |
| 19:32.11 | kergoth | nasa: ah |
| 19:32.19 | ljp | oh about TT'as plugin API? |
| 19:32.25 | benmeyer | can't say |
| 19:32.26 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 19:33.20 | ljp | I wish kitchensync/kpim would get fixed |
| 19:33.57 | bobstay | I wish dialup would be fixed |
| 19:34.06 | bobstay | I wish affix would be fixed |
| 19:34.59 | ljp | well, I'd hope you are going to tell us that Sharp decided to pay opie devs big bucks for being at home and tapping at the keys ;) |
| 19:35.18 | nasa | FIXED IT! |
| 19:35.53 | kergoth | nasa: ? |
| 19:36.07 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: really? |
| 19:36.09 | nasa | Got Java working |
| 19:36.12 | TheMasterMind1 | how |
| 19:36.19 | TheMasterMind1 | it was broken? |
| 19:36.33 | nasa | If you installed java or java apps to the sd card it was |
| 19:36.44 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: how'd you fix it |
| 19:36.51 | nasa | the problem was with installdir.sh (once you had it installed) |
| 19:37.08 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 19:37.15 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: you wanna be in charge of jeodcreator |
| 19:37.16 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 19:37.23 | TheMasterMind1 | fix it up.. its got several problems |
| 19:37.26 | kergoth | hm, spiffy |
| 19:37.33 | TheMasterMind1 | make sure it works properly and the ipk created works on oz |
| 19:37.33 | nasa | if you used the installdir.sh from the sharp rom (as I did) |
| 19:37.46 | kergoth | nasa: we shoiudl include installdir.sh in the ipk |
| 19:37.47 | nasa | you needed to remove the 'var' references |
| 19:37.48 | kergoth | nasa: :) |
| 19:38.16 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: grab a copy of jeodcreator and fix it up |
| 19:38.19 | nasa | kergoth: that would be helpful (as long as some things are corrected) |
| 19:38.26 | kergoth | yeah just extract it, add it, tweak it, and build a new ipk |
| 19:38.35 | nasa | sure |
| 19:38.37 | kergoth | like i did to fix konq |
| 19:38.39 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:39.14 | kergoth | only one thing left |
| 19:39.15 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: a few other things that need fixing.. the postinst and other scripts need to use /bin/sh and not bash. and it shouldn't depend on qpe version 1.5.0 |
| 19:39.22 | TheMasterMind1 | hancom |
| 19:39.26 | kergoth | i need to install our libc6 libs into the right toolchain dir |
| 19:39.32 | kergoth | then our buildroto builds us a toolchain! |
| 19:39.37 | nasa | TheMasterMind1: sure thing |
| 19:39.39 | ljp | hmm |
| 19:39.43 | bobstay | bash! bash! bash as standard! don't care how big! </flamebait> |
| 19:39.49 | ljp | thats crazy.. I think I'll have a rum |
| 19:39.58 | TheMasterMind1 | would it be legal to create a small script that downloaded the sharp ospack and created ipks from opera and stuff? |
| 19:40.12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we already ahve that script |
| 19:40.14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its in the buildroot |
| 19:40.18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: just awaiting tLC |
| 19:40.20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :) |
| 19:40.28 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, but it doesn't work |
| 19:40.29 | bobstay | ittai ittai! |
| 19:40.44 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:40.45 | TheMasterMind1 | it'd be nice if it was just a standalone script that you could dodwnload and run |
| 19:41.20 | TheMasterMind1 | the buildroot is kinda big |
| 19:41.20 | kergoth | buildroot is like 5 megs or something |
| 19:41.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:41.20 | kergoth | dood |
| 19:41.20 | TheMasterMind1 | not in size.. |
| 19:41.20 | kergoth | it built a gcc 3.2 |
| 19:41.20 | kergoth | spiffy! |
| 19:41.20 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 19:41.20 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 19:41.20 | ljp | hmm interesting.. outlook, kde, and palm plugins |
| 19:41.23 | TheMasterMind1 | that took how long? |
| 19:41.28 | kergoth | now i make it install libc6 into /usr/local/arm/3.2/arm-linux/lib .. |
| 19:41.34 | kergoth | then the toolchain is fully functional |
| 19:41.38 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 19:41.43 | kergoth | thats fucking cool |
| 19:41.44 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:41.47 | TheMasterMind1 | impressive |
| 19:41.57 | kergoth | i need to teach it how to build a non gcc3.2 toolchain now |
| 19:42.04 | kergoth | cause of the binary compatibility issues |
| 19:42.15 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone have a calling card? |
| 19:42.32 | kergoth | fraid not |
| 19:42.57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, cool |
| 19:43.12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, if i call and hang up after one ring, does it not ring on the other side or something? |
| 19:43.19 | ljp | cell phone heat up your brain, dude |
| 19:43.25 | kergoth | mmm warm brain |
| 19:43.30 | kergoth | i need a drink |
| 19:44.24 | kolla | night kergoth |
| 19:44.30 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 19:44.33 | TheMasterMind1 | damn phone companies!! |
| 19:46.00 | ljp | hmm.. |
| 19:46.04 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 19:46.05 | kolla | funny how OZ feed has skin for OPē but not OPē itself |
| 19:46.26 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 19:46.33 | ljp | new opieplayer1 uses op2 skin |
| 19:48.10 | bobstay | where *does* op2 live? |
| 19:48.11 | kryhme | night kolla |
| 19:48.34 | bobstay | that and CVS to fiddle with |
| 19:48.49 | kolla | ibot opieplayer2 |
| 19:48.49 | | rumour has it, opieplayer2 is see op2 |
| 19:48.55 | kolla | ibot op2 |
| 19:48.55 | | extra, extra, read all about it, op2 is a media player which is currently in beta stage, which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg, and MPEG4 (DivX/XviD) movies, and other formats. The backend uses the xine libs. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 19:49.11 | bobstay | thanks ibot, I knew that already. |
| 19:49.19 | bobstay | doesn't give me mailing lists or cvs |
| 19:49.46 | chouimat|tv | hmmmmm the fifth element |
| 19:50.04 | bobstay | chouimat|tv: that, sir, is one of the worst films I've ever seen. |
| 19:50.17 | ljp | op2 is in opie cvs and xine cvs |
| 19:50.19 | chouimat|tv | bobstay: so I quite like it |
| 19:50.40 | bobstay | ljp: does it have mailing lists? |
| 19:51.30 | nasa | When an ipkg is untarred where are the files kept? |
| 19:51.52 | TheMasterMind1 | /tmp somewhere |
| 19:53.39 | ljp | just the opie mailing list |
| 19:57.36 | ljp | or maybe a xine mailiung list |
| 19:57.39 | kryhme | or a kryhme mailing list |
| 20:00.57 | kryhme | ooooo |
| 20:01.31 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:02.04 | nasa | ok, I have update the package -- how do I test it? |
| 20:02.14 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: hmm, good question |
| 20:02.20 | TheMasterMind1 | find someone with the sharp rom? |
| 20:03.09 | bbeattie | kergoth: is the 64k buffer for klogd, and syslog written to Flash, or RAM? (BTW, I borrowed my brother in laws cf and flashed oz today. |
| 20:03.26 | kergoth | bbeattie: is shared memory |
| 20:03.30 | kergoth | bbeattie: s/is/its/ |
| 20:04.33 | bbeattie | kergoth: flash and RAM are shared? |
| 20:05.25 | bbeattie | or am I miss understanding your response? |
| 20:07.42 | kergoth | 'shared memory' |
| 20:08.45 | kergoth | as in, unix shared memory, a form of IPC (interprocess communication) |
| 20:08.45 | kergoth | look it up |
| 20:08.46 | choui|andromeda | ibot sex |
| 20:08.46 | | sex is probably something we don't get enough |
| 20:08.46 | choui|andromeda | ibot be zippy |
| 20:08.46 | | i suck |
| 20:08.46 | kergoth | ibot: yow |
| 20:08.46 | kergoth | hm |
| 20:08.46 | kryhme | ibot: where my niggaz at? |
| 20:08.46 | | i don't know, kryhme |
| 20:08.46 | kergoth | eek! |
| 20:08.46 | kergoth | /tmp/ccnHY4pb.s:128: Error: invalid char '[' beginning operand 2 `[sp' |
| 20:08.46 | kergoth | /tmp/ccnHY4pb.s:130: Error: no such instruction: `bl frame_dummy' |
| 20:08.46 | kergoth | /tmp/ccnHY4pb.s:132: Error: no such instruction: `ldr pc,[sp],' |
| 20:09.50 | bbeattie | kergoth: alright, I understand. |
| 20:10.15 | kryhme | ibot drugs |
| 20:10.15 | | methinks drugs is bad |
| 20:10.23 | kergoth | bbeattie: a quick google for sysv IPC should find info on it pretty quickly |
| 20:10.39 | benmeyer | ibot kde |
| 20:10.39 | | [kde] somewhat sluggish on a 32Mb iPAQ... totally untested on a 64 so far or bloated |
| 20:10.57 | benmeyer | hmmm, would be interesting to test.... |
| 20:11.02 | benmeyer | minikde or something |
| 20:11.03 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 20:11.10 | benmeyer | well I am off to watch a movie |
| 20:11.14 | benmeyer | see you all later |
| 20:13.25 | bbeattie | What are some applications that everyone thinks should be installed to flash, instead of ram, for whatever reasons? |
| 20:18.21 | kergoth | there really is nothing you'd want in flash more than ram or vice versa |
| 20:18.29 | kergoth | whatever the user wants |
| 20:18.48 | kergoth | myself i recommend installing base system things that you wont be removing anytime soon to flash to cut down the flash writes |
| 20:19.01 | kergoth | (that is, dont install games and crap you may not want to keep on flasH) |
| 20:19.36 | stonage | is there a way to connect to a remote X-server on the zaurus? |
| 20:20.04 | kergoth | eh? |
| 20:20.24 | kryhme | you can use vnc.... there may be other tools |
| 20:20.38 | stonage | to connect to my desktop linux box |
| 20:20.41 | kergoth | use vnc. |
| 20:20.59 | stonage | well |
| 20:21.09 | stonage | nothing like exceed? |
| 20:21.14 | stonage | x-win... |
| 20:21.17 | mwa | stonage: X :0 -query host (assuming host is serving xdm) |
| 20:21.50 | stonage | mwa: using tinyx? |
| 20:22.09 | stonage | the desktop is just a server, it has no monitor, etc, so vnc is tough |
| 20:22.41 | kryhme | ah |
| 20:22.42 | mwa | stonage: Haven't used TinyX, but I understand it's just a tight server. Should to xdm queries... |
| 20:23.45 | stonage | speaking of vnc though, is there an eta on a fix for the server? |
| 20:30.29 | kergoth | not really, eta is whenever i get around to it |
| 20:34.21 | choui|andromeda | Think Big Stie |
| 20:48.40 | noda | Moo! |
| 20:52.21 | noda | ibot seen kergoth |
| 20:52.21 | | kergoth is currently on #opie #picogui #tuxscreen #zaurus #openzaurus. Has said a total of 2024 messages. Is idling for 21m 52s |
| 20:52.33 | noda | kergoth: ping |
| 20:56.45 | nasa | kergoth: I am using tar on my box to create the ipkg and I keep getting errors about control.tar.gz not being found |
| 20:57.46 | kergoth | nasa: ipk is tar.gz .. but i would recommend creating it with ipkg-build or mkipks rather than tar |
| 20:57.48 | nasa | also errors about: gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file |
| 20:57.49 | kergoth | noda: pong |
| 20:58.02 | kergoth | you are gzipping it right? |
| 20:58.03 | chouimat | thong |
| 20:58.06 | kergoth | its not just a tar, its a tar.gz |
| 20:58.11 | noda | kergoth: How's the changelog working out? I need to know any improvements needed :) |
| 20:58.29 | nasa | kergoth: I have been creating tar.gz files |
| 20:58.42 | nasa | ibot ipkg-build |
| 20:58.42 | | methinks ipkg-build is at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/util/ipkg-build |
| 20:59.20 | noda | kergoth: And do you think I should put in some javascript magic to auto-fill-in forms? |
| 20:59.33 | kergoth | nasa: use -c on that ipkg-build line |
| 20:59.42 | kergoth | nasa: it defaults to the new ar format, -c is old style tar.gz |
| 21:00.05 | chouimat | wooooooohooooooot! in 32minutes I will have The Odyssey ready to be burn! |
| 21:00.11 | kergoth | noda: havent had a chance to play with it much |
| 21:00.18 | noda | kergoth: Okay |
| 21:00.29 | noda | kergoth: And how important on a scale of 1-10 is the database of OZ packages? |
| 21:00.54 | kergoth | noda: not very, let me think about that one, as that fits into the buildroot as well |
| 21:02.01 | nasa | kergoth: can you give me the quick and dirty on using ipkg-build? |
| 21:02.11 | chouimat | kergoth: how is the new buildroot ? |
| 21:02.36 | noda | kergoth: Oh, btw, does the buildroot have gcc-3.2 in it now? And that whole toolchain... |
| 21:02.49 | kergoth | noda: i'm doing that now |
| 21:02.55 | kergoth | noda: fighting with gcc |
| 21:02.56 | noda | Cool :) |
| 21:03.03 | kergoth | noda: it fails out during the make install process for some reason |
| 21:03.08 | kergoth | we'll have it soon |
| 21:03.12 | noda | kergoth: For which package? |
| 21:03.16 | kergoth | the buildroot itself cant do it |
| 21:03.18 | kergoth | can i mean |
| 21:03.19 | chouimat | noda: and someday you will have a generic embedded linux system :P |
| 21:03.20 | kergoth | package? |
| 21:03.27 | noda | kergoth: Which 'make install' doesn't work? |
| 21:03.35 | kergoth | 22:13 < kergoth> noda: fighting with gcc |
| 21:03.38 | kergoth | 22:13 < kergoth> noda: it fails out during the make install process for some reason |
| 21:03.41 | noda | kergoth: Ah, I see :P |
| 21:03.42 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:03.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:04.28 | noda | chouimat: :) |
| 21:05.14 | kergoth | nasa: mkdir heh; mkdir heh/CONTROL; echo blah > heh/CONTROL/control; cat blah > heh/CONTROL/postinst; ipkg-build -o root -g root -c heh; |
| 21:06.03 | kergoth | noda: i think i found the problem with the gcc build, fixing now |
| 21:06.12 | kergoth | noda: the buildroot's configuration piece of it is done |
| 21:07.00 | noda | Cooooool.... man, I can't wait to build me a gcc-3.2 initrd :) |
| 21:07.14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:07.19 | kergoth | i have to add qt3 to the build yet |
| 21:07.23 | chouimat | kergoth: will you add the qt3 opie? |
| 21:07.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:07.32 | noda | There's a qt3 opie? |
| 21:07.40 | kergoth | opie can build for qt3 |
| 21:07.49 | kergoth | we havent added it to the new opie buildsystem yet |
| 21:07.51 | kergoth | its on the todo |
| 21:08.08 | noda | That'd be awesome... actually, what's the diff between qt2 and qt3? |
| 21:08.17 | kergoth | eh |
| 21:08.22 | kergoth | where would i begin? |
| 21:08.25 | kergoth | doc.trolltech.com |
| 21:08.26 | kergoth | rtfm |
| 21:08.28 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:08.29 | noda | The biggest thing :P |
| 21:08.31 | noda | Oh, fine :P |
| 21:08.33 | kergoth | biggest thing? |
| 21:08.36 | nasa | kergoth: that worked |
| 21:08.39 | kergoth | isnt a biggest thing |
| 21:08.42 | kergoth | lots of things |
| 21:08.43 | noda | Ah. |
| 21:08.44 | kergoth | nasa: cool |
| 21:10.00 | chouimat | noda: just read the change log on doc.trolltech.com |
| 21:10.08 | noda | chouimat: Doing so now. |
| 21:10.42 | chouimat | noda: Binary Incompatible |
| 21:10.47 | noda | Ah. |
| 21:15.28 | nasa | kergoth: do you need a data.tar.gz file? |
| 21:16.17 | mwa | kergoth: re vncserver, are /dev/tssim and /dev/kbdsim used when vnc is _not_ installed, and ttssumthin daemon intercepts when it is. Problem is battle for dev files between Opie and VNC when fbvncserver startup and Opie not bounced? |
| 21:17.07 | nasa | kergoth: I also tried to 'install' the ipkg, but it didn't do the postinst script... what would stop that? |
| 21:18.33 | mwa | kergoth: Possibly can be fixed with judicious timing of startup scripts and requiring a reboot/restart of Opie (I think zaurus-fbvncserver required some-such) |
| 21:19.23 | mwa | probably plus mknod/re-links in start scripts. |
| 21:20.01 | mwa | kergoth: Anyway nod your head and I'll play with it. Shake your head and I'll go dig some more.... |
| 21:22.03 | nasa | Well, I have to go -- got to work in the morning! |
| 21:22.05 | nasa | cya |
| 21:25.27 | kergoth | mwa: not much to it. we adjust our devices and create them in the startup script's start section, and cleanup in stop, then ensure it starts before opie and stops after. |
| 21:25.39 | kergoth | mwa: and yes, it requires a opie reboot on install or uninstall. so you'r eon the right track there |
| 21:27.03 | mwa | kergoth: So you already got a handle, or you want me to take a shot? |
| 21:27.29 | kergoth | i know what needs doing, but dont have time to do it |
| 21:27.38 | kergoth | if you're going to fix it, do it in the buildroot |
| 21:28.20 | mwa | kergoth: I _intend_ to flash to OZ3 tomorrow and would like to check out the buildroot... |
| 21:28.45 | mwa | kergoth: Actual progress will depend on kid's activities <sigh> |
| 21:28.55 | kergoth | hehe. not a problem |
| 21:28.58 | kergoth | keep me posted |
| 21:29.30 | mwa | G'nite then. |
| 21:34.49 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 21:34.55 | chouimat | hi |
| 21:35.06 | kolla | shh.. we're sleeping |
| 21:35.16 | Cloudchaser | has anyone run Interstellar Flames on oz? |
| 21:35.27 | Cloudchaser | i think it just locked up my z |
| 21:35.52 | chouimat | kolla: sleep well, I'm watching porn .... |
| 21:36.17 | kolla | arent you lucky |
| 21:36.26 | kolla | I'm compiling KDE3.1rc2 |
| 21:36.34 | kolla | sleepy stuff |
| 21:36.47 | chouimat | kolla: no, I don't want to see it I want to do it :) |
| 21:37.07 | kolla | porn? |
| 21:37.07 | bbeattie | I take it it's a good idea to roots password via passwd on the zaurus? Or does that cause problems? |
| 21:37.30 | kolla | bbeattie: good idea |
| 21:37.34 | kergoth | bbeattie: wont cause a problem. |
| 21:37.43 | kergoth | due note that the ftp password remains rootme regardless |
| 21:37.57 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i havent tested it yet, i dont own that particular game |
| 21:38.14 | Cloudchaser | me either, i was trying to run the demo |
| 21:38.30 | Cloudchaser | it started, ran a little sequece and locked up on menu screen |
| 21:38.40 | Cloudchaser | i was able to ssh in and kill the process |
| 21:38.51 | Cloudchaser | there were 3 of them.. all the same |
| 21:39.04 | kergoth | 3 or what? |
| 21:39.07 | kergoth | processes? |
| 21:39.11 | kergoth | s/or/of/ |
| 21:39.13 | Cloudchaser | if_demo process |
| 21:40.01 | kergoth | odd |
| 21:40.05 | Cloudchaser | had a few crashes to login too with oz |
| 21:40.11 | Cloudchaser | i posted one bug today |
| 21:40.16 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:40.29 | kergoth | the opie crashes to console are in their bug tracking system |
| 21:40.31 | Cloudchaser | well this if demo doesn't work ;( |
| 21:40.34 | kergoth | at least one of which is fixed |
| 21:40.42 | Cloudchaser | not on my version |
| 21:41.20 | kergoth | eh? |
| 21:41.20 | kergoth | the latest opie changes arent in the stable fed |
| 21:41.20 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 21:41.20 | bbeattie | hmm, and any tips on not being able to get out on the net. The zaurus is .129.201, my system is .129.1 and .13.5, the Z can ping both, but it can't ping the system with dsl in it at .13.1 |
| 21:41.20 | kergoth | only in unstable, during the testing phase |
| 21:41.20 | kergoth | when they're confirmed to work, they'll move into testing |
| 21:41.20 | Cloudchaser | well what i posted was with the launcher |
| 21:41.20 | kergoth | the launcher settings crash? |
| 21:41.25 | kergoth | when using the launcher settings app? |
| 21:41.25 | Cloudchaser | that too |
| 21:41.28 | chouimat | bbeattie: add a route on your router |
| 21:41.33 | kergoth | the launcher settings crash is fixed |
| 21:41.37 | kergoth | i dunno about the others |
| 21:41.45 | Cloudchaser | but i have 2 spaces for open apps, but still only see 1 open app icon |
| 21:42.04 | Cloudchaser | so much for making space for seeing more than one |
| 21:43.47 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:43.52 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 21:43.53 | kergoth | i dunno about two, but i've seen as many as 5 app icons listes |
| 21:43.56 | kergoth | listed |
| 21:44.00 | kergoth | so its not locked into 1 |
| 21:44.08 | kergoth | might be a bug where it leaves one empty spot htough |
| 21:44.11 | kergoth | report it |
| 21:44.15 | Cloudchaser | i did :) |
| 21:44.56 | kergoth | good good |
| 21:45.47 | Cloudchaser | k thats what it is, if you have 2 spaces, one is usable |
| 21:45.54 | Cloudchaser | have to make 3 spaces to see 2 apps |
| 21:46.09 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 21:46.15 | Cloudchaser | hmm the home button doesn't work with tkc apps either it seems |
| 21:47.07 | kergoth | odd |
| 21:47.14 | kergoth | report that one in the OZ bug tracker |
| 21:47.21 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 21:48.44 | Cloudchaser | i see in the bugs that hancom word doesnt work? |
| 21:49.18 | kergoth | yep. its flaky |
| 21:49.36 | kergoth | nobody is sure whats causing it, but we're leaning towrads the fact that we're on qt/e 2.3.4 but it was bbuilt for qt/e 2.3.2 |
| 21:49.44 | kergoth | aka. qt/e binary compatibility issue |
| 21:49.57 | kergoth | 2.3.2 is supposed to be BC with 2.3.4, so i'll be having a talk with TT about that one |
| 21:50.05 | Cloudchaser | oki |
| 21:50.21 | Cloudchaser | is there a way to register on the bug tracker? |
| 21:50.29 | Cloudchaser | i don't see a way |
| 21:50.30 | kergoth`book | for SF? |
| 21:50.34 | kergoth`book | create a SF account |
| 21:50.35 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 21:50.39 | kergoth`book | its not just an acct for the bug tracker |
| 21:50.41 | kergoth`book | but for all of Sf |
| 21:50.42 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 21:50.44 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 21:50.51 | kergoth`book | okay i go read now, then sleep. night :) |
| 21:50.56 | Cloudchaser | g'night |
| 21:54.13 | chouimat | night kergoth`book |
| 21:54.24 | chouimat | kergoth`book: which book by te way> |
| 21:55.44 | kergoth`book | rereading the song of ice and fire series by george r.r. martin, the book is the game of thrones |
| 21:55.48 | kergoth`book | night |
| 21:55.56 | chouimat | kergoth`book: ok night |
| 21:56.25 | chouimat | kergoth`book: currently listening to the Odyssey a nice 24 minutes song |
| 22:02.37 | bbeattie | kergoth`book: is the oz3 feed from sqpkg/online the best way of obtaining packages? |
| 22:13.52 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 22:14.12 | hornbeck | got a question |
| 22:14.20 | TheMasterMind1 | ask |
| 22:14.36 | hornbeck | I installed the new qtopiadesktop |
| 22:14.42 | hornbeck | the 1.6beta |
| 22:14.49 | hornbeck | but I get no exicutable |
| 22:15.04 | TheMasterMind1 | windows? |
| 22:15.45 | hornbeck | linux |
| 22:15.59 | hornbeck | I don't get the qtopiadesktop |
| 22:35.44 | bbeattie | Is there an app that must be installed to remove apps? |
| 22:35.56 | stonage | aqpkg can remove apps |
| 22:36.33 | bbeattie | stonage: via gui? |
| 22:36.58 | stonage | yeah, just go to install ipkgs |
| 22:37.04 | stonage | and select them, hit apply and it will ask you if you want to remove them |
| 22:37.31 | bbeattie | stonage: ahh, thanks |
| 22:37.42 | bbeattie | .. did it, but it crashed opie, |
| 22:37.54 | bbeattie | that's the second time (last time when installing apps) |
| 22:38.10 | bbeattie | Does opie crash this often normally? |
| 22:38.14 | stonage | not for me |
| 22:38.36 | stonage | aqpkg will be unresponsive while it does it's actions, but it will eventually respond |
| 22:39.06 | bbeattie | heh, this crashes are it drops to console. |
| 22:39.19 | stonage | does it restart fine? |
| 22:39.23 | bbeattie | yes |
| 22:39.35 | stonage | so you just do a /etc/init.d/opie start? |
| 22:39.35 | bbeattie | /etc/init.d/opie start brings it back up |
| 22:40.17 | bbeattie | yes |
| 22:40.34 | bbeattie | opie crashes it seams once it is done with all the download/remove process. |
| 22:41.21 | bbeattie | third time, yup, everytime aqpkg finishes installing, it crashes opie, completely. |
| 22:41.36 | stonage | it's probably the underlying ipkg exectuable that aqpkg runs |
| 22:41.47 | stonage | I noticed a problem like that when I was installing konq/e |
| 22:42.04 | bbeattie | stonage: this has happened the last 3 of 4 times when using sqpkg |
| 22:42.40 | stonage | no matter which program you tried to (un)install? |
| 22:43.29 | bbeattie | yes, I installed about 14 apps, it crashed opie when it was done, I removed opie-pickboard, it crashed opie, I installed opie-keyboard, it crashed opie upon completing each process. |
| 22:44.59 | stonage | have you tried installing apps from the console? |
| 22:46.21 | bbeattie | stonage: not yet, no. The report though is always a seg fault at console. |
| 22:46.44 | stonage | I had that problem before, you're due for an update |
| 22:47.08 | bbeattie | stonage: I just installed OZ 6 hours ago! :-) |
| 22:47.14 | bbeattie | is there an easy way to update? |
| 22:47.28 | stonage | you just put the new 3.0 on? |
| 22:47.33 | kergoth`book | bbeattie: you upgrade your aqpkg from the unstable feed? |
| 22:47.52 | kergoth`book | bbeattie: andy reports the crashes should be fixed in cvs |
| 22:48.08 | bbeattie | kergoth`book: I've selected oz3, |
| 22:48.14 | kergoth`book | bbeattie: thats the stable feed |
| 22:48.44 | kergoth`book | the latest bleeding edge fixes are in unstable, but stability isnt guaranteed, as nothing in unstable has gone through any testing process |
| 22:48.52 | kergoth`book | structure is similar to debian's branches |
| 22:49.36 | bbeattie | kergoth`book: is there a testing feed? |
| 22:50.02 | kergoth`book | ibot: oz feed |
| 22:50.02 | | oz feed is, like, http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ |
| 22:50.13 | kergoth`book | bbeattie: there are 3 branches. stable, testing, unstable. |
| 22:50.18 | kergoth`book | bbeattie: there are feeds for all three. |
| 22:50.53 | kergoth`book | bbeattie: since the oz 3.0 release there have been some changes in unstable, nothing has been confirmed functional as of yet, and as such none of the recent changes are in testing as of yet. |
| 22:51.14 | kergoth`book | bbeattie: in other words, if unstable explodes into 3 quadrillion pieces, dont blame me :) |
| 22:51.33 | kergoth`book | i'd recommend getting aqpkg from unstable though, as its unlikely itd be worse :) |
| 22:55.48 | bbeattie | how would I upgrade aqpkg from console? aqpkg upgrade aqpkg complains that there is no server (I'm doing this via ssh'ing into it) |
| 23:04.19 | stone | can you wireless-ly sync oz3? |
| 23:10.20 | bbeattie | stone: I believe so. I'm doing it usb->system->linux firewall->wireless broadband->internet. |
| 23:12.43 | bbeattie | stone: Oh, do you mean with qtopia? I'm not sure, I can't get qtopia to sync over usb (I wonder if it is because I set a root password) |
| 23:54.02 | bbeattie | lo |
| 23:54.14 | bbeattie | It got quiet here... |
| 23:56.35 | bbeattie | kergoth`book: How do I upgrade aqpkg from an unstable feed, without opie? (The installer warns not to do it if opie is running, and I can't find out how to install from console. |
