| 00:00.32 | billytwowilly | anyone here familiar with programming drivers for keyboards? |
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| 00:05.29 | Onyx4 | ibot: msg for TheMasterMind1: test |
| 00:05.43 | Onyx4 | ibot message for TheMasterMind1: test |
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| 00:14.33 | Onyx4 | ibot: message for Onyx4: test |
| 00:14.46 | Onyx4 | ibot help |
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| 00:21.41 | Piete | lo DaWorm |
| 00:21.56 | DaWorm | Piete |
| 00:21.58 | DaWorm | sup? |
| 00:22.32 | Piete | not much... |
| 00:22.45 | Piete | do you know wheter ogg or mp3 uses the most CPU? |
| 00:23.57 | DaWorm | i hear mp3 does more |
| 00:24.23 | DaWorm | and part of the reason of creating ogg was because mp3 ate too much cpu |
| 00:24.49 | Onyx4 | correct, next step is to use ogg in mplayer/xine |
| 00:25.11 | DaWorm | awesome |
| 00:25.18 | DaWorm | going smoothly with mplayer? |
| 00:25.37 | Onyx4 | we're getting better speed with libmad, but it's still slow |
| 00:25.45 | Onyx4 | hopefully ogg will fix that |
| 00:25.53 | DaWorm | good luck :) |
| 00:27.26 | Piete | cool :) |
| 00:27.39 | Piete | any of you have xmms running on OZ3? |
| 00:28.30 | DaWorm | nope |
| 00:29.08 | Piete | aww :/ |
| 00:29.12 | Piete | I really miss it |
| 00:29.16 | DaWorm | well i have an ipod...it satifies my digital music thing |
| 00:29.28 | Piete | Opieplayer uses way to much CPU |
| 00:29.33 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 00:29.42 | Piete | DaWorm: you lucky person... |
| 00:29.48 | DaWorm | lol |
| 00:30.02 | Onyx4 | I wonder how tkcvideo is nowadays |
| 00:30.07 | Piete | <homer>mmmmm..... iiiiipoodd</homer> |
| 00:30.16 | Piete | Onyx4: its pretty cool |
| 00:30.35 | Piete | Onyx4: never had a crash with it (yet) |
| 00:30.47 | Onyx4 | how is the speed? |
| 00:30.52 | Onyx4 | does it play files encoded with mencoder? |
| 00:31.38 | Piete | yea, it plays them fine (I have shrek compressed to 60MB) |
| 00:31.45 | DaWorm | wow ibooks for $999 |
| 00:31.51 | Piete | and its a helluvalot quicker than opieplayer |
| 00:32.00 | Piete | DaWorm: daaymn! |
| 00:32.13 | DaWorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.13 | DaWorm | Image 700MHz PowerPC G3 |
| 00:32.13 | DaWorm | 512K L2 cache @700MHz |
| 00:32.13 | DaWorm | 128MB SDRAM memory |
| 00:32.13 | DaWorm | 20GB Ultra ATA drive |
| 00:32.15 | DaWorm | ATI Radeon 7500 |
| 00:32.17 | DaWorm | 16MB dedicated video memory |
| 00:32.19 | DaWorm | CD-ROM |
| 00:32.20 | Piete | oh |
| 00:32.21 | DaWorm | Built-in 56K v.92 modem |
| 00:32.23 | DaWorm | AirPort ready |
| 00:32.24 | Piete | G3 |
| 00:32.25 | DaWorm | Up to 5 hr. battery life |
| 00:32.28 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 00:32.29 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 00:32.35 | DaWorm | not bad for a student |
| 00:32.36 | Piete | good price still.. |
| 00:32.41 | Piete | new? |
| 00:32.44 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 00:32.55 | DaWorm | was looking at apples site now |
| 00:33.03 | Piete | is it those fruity ibooks :P |
| 00:33.15 | Piete | the ones that look like imacs? |
| 00:33.29 | DaWorm | nope, just plain icy look |
| 00:34.08 | Piete | ah |
| 00:34.29 | Piete | they look so tasty |
| 00:34.41 | DaWorm | yeah, they ditched that look already too |
| 00:35.07 | Piete | I know :/ |
| 00:35.08 | Piete | that sucks |
| 00:35.27 | Piete | it would fit perfectly with my plush tux |
| 00:35.31 | Piete | :P |
| 00:35.40 | DaWorm | those fruity imacs would make great macquariums though |
| 00:36.10 | Piete | lol, yea :) |
| 00:36.22 | Piete | ibot slashdot |
| 00:36.43 | Piete | hmmm.. |
| 00:36.53 | Piete | 3Ghz P4 |
| 00:37.13 | DaWorm | heck who needs that |
| 00:38.19 | Piete | I'm perfectly content with my 1Ghz durn |
| 00:38.19 | Piete | duron even |
| 00:38.28 | Piete | it plays unreal, wolfenstein, vmware works flawlessly, and compiles kernels in less than 10 minutes :) |
| 00:38.36 | Piete | I'm happy |
| 00:38.43 | DaWorm | yeah, and terribly cheap as well |
| 00:40.05 | Piete | yea,, imagine a beowulf cluster of THOooo oh, sorry |
| 00:40.30 | Piete | those p4s would probably trigger a climatic change if they are clustered :P |
| 00:42.15 | schurig | Piete: you would need your own atomic power plant if you have a beowulf cluster of 3GHz P4's ... |
| 00:42.22 | Infamous2 | lol |
| 00:42.25 | DaWorm | lol |
| 00:42.29 | Infamous2 | i just looked up the remote story |
| 00:42.31 | Infamous2 | i like it |
| 00:42.42 | Infamous2 | although pretty expensive and probably not practical |
| 00:42.54 | Infamous2 | since it doesn't have buttons you can "feel" |
| 00:43.03 | Infamous2 | therefore having to look at it to press anything |
| 00:43.04 | Piete | hehe yea |
| 00:43.21 | Infamous2 | i like i though, lol |
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| 00:44.43 | Piete | to quoute a slashdotter's comments from wednessday on nuclear powered laptops : |
| 00:44.48 | Piete | that would be ...a whole new definition of blue screen of death. "Error #10012 - Meltdown eminent. " |
| 00:44.56 | Piete | and |
| 00:45.18 | Piete | <flood warning> |
| 00:45.21 | Piete | "An fatal operation at 0x004a3542 has occured. YOU will be terminated." |
| 00:45.22 | Piete | And if you take it on the airplane, the press confererence: |
| 00:45.22 | Piete | Reporter: "What was the cause of the explosion?" |
| 00:45.22 | Piete | NTSB Guy: "Windows. If only he used linux...or AT LEAST MacOS X...this disater could've been averted." |
| 00:45.22 | Piete | Two hours later, at the White House... |
| 00:45.22 | Piete | Bush: "We have found that the explosion was caused by Windows. By making Windows, Microsoft is a terrorist organization. This morning, troops invaded the evil leader Bill Gates's compound in Redmond." |
| 00:45.26 | Piete | Two Weeks Later: |
| 00:45.28 | Piete | Reporter: "Have you found Gates?" |
| 00:45.29 | Piete | Rumsfeld: "We have Special Forces scouring the area, but we haven't found him. But in order to follow our current policy on the War on Terror, we'll now accuse a random country of being Evil. (::Rumsfeld walks over to a lottery tumbler::) This year's "Evil Nation" is... MADAGASCAR! Alrighty. Now, then. You know the drill. Madagascar currently is in possession of weapons of mass destruction. Now go back to your news bureaus and begin the pund |
| 00:45.34 | Piete | itry. That is the end of this conference." |
| 00:46.49 | DaWorm | haha |
| 00:46.52 | DaWorm | madagascar |
| 00:49.04 | Piete | ok, I promise never to do that again :P Next time I'll just give you the link |
| 00:49.23 | DaWorm | because you flooded, we will declare you a terrorist |
| 00:49.44 | badl | muddy-gas-car |
| 00:50.37 | Piete | eeeekk *hides in a gave in *stan* |
| 00:50.57 | DaWorm | man, pocket pcs are getting cheap |
| 00:51.07 | Piete | badl: yea yea |
| 00:51.09 | Piete | :P |
| 00:51.12 | Piete | DaWorm: how much? |
| 00:51.22 | badl | $150 |
| 00:51.25 | DaWorm | well you heard of mitac? that company in taiwan |
| 00:51.38 | Piete | nope |
| 00:51.49 | DaWorm | theyre making an xscale device below $300USD |
| 00:52.06 | Piete | kewl |
| 00:52.06 | Piete | but... |
| 00:52.08 | Piete | does it run linux? |
| 00:52.12 | DaWorm | well |
| 00:52.15 | DaWorm | its PPC |
| 00:52.23 | Piete | the Ipaq does... |
| 00:52.32 | Piete | (some anyway) |
| 00:52.38 | DaWorm | well familiar will probably run on it |
| 00:52.41 | DaWorm | one way or another |
| 00:52.50 | DaWorm | then let familiar use opie |
| 00:53.46 | Piete | I picked up a Zaurus SL5500 + 802.11B wireless + 64 SD + 32 CF + some reg'd tkc apps + leather case for 350 |
| 00:54.06 | DaWorm | hehehe..that's freaking cheap |
| 00:54.13 | Piete | yea :D |
| 00:54.52 | Piete | btw, do you know if the SL5600 still has the annoying-dust-under-the-screen problem? |
| 00:55.47 | DaWorm | i dunno |
| 00:55.47 | DaWorm | its not even out yet |
| 00:55.48 | DaWorm | besides |
| 00:55.49 | DaWorm | its probably the same case mold |
| 00:55.49 | DaWorm | probably it will have the problem too? |
| 00:56.10 | Piete | yea, but they could at least put a rubber gasket between the LCD and the Digitizer |
| 00:56.57 | Piete | I mean I've had a palmIIIx for 3 years, and it still does not have a SINGLE dust particle under the screen, and a IIIc for 1 year without any dust aswell |
| 00:57.46 | Piete | I was pretty annoyed to find dust under the screen in the sealed package of the zaurus |
| 00:59.03 | badl | mine didn't have any -- i suspect it is a btach problem in manufacture |
| 01:01.25 | Piete | some people have *fingerprints* under the touch screen... that absolutely sucks |
| 01:01.40 | badl | heh |
| 01:02.07 | Piete | anyway, enuff irc for today |
| 01:02.13 | badl | it would be easy to catch the colperates (sp?)then |
| 01:02.22 | Piete | badl: lol |
| 01:02.34 | Infamous2 | how do you get the dust out |
| 01:02.39 | Infamous2 | or fingerprints |
| 01:02.46 | Infamous2 | if they're underneath? |
| 01:02.51 | badl | with a feather duster |
| 01:03.09 | Infamous2 | under the touchscreen? |
| 01:03.16 | badl | yeah |
| 01:03.40 | Infamous2 | how is that? |
| 01:04.11 | Infamous2 | how do you get under the touchscreen? |
| 01:04.14 | badl | you just pull it out and give everything a quick "run over" |
| 01:04.55 | Infamous2 | i didn't know you could pull it out |
| 01:05.01 | Infamous2 | i thought it was all together |
| 01:05.06 | Infamous2 | like glass or something.... |
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| 01:08.34 | |rerun| | any news on an opera fix? |
| 01:09.06 | DaWorm | hmmm..i'm sure i heard yesterday opera running on OZ but the menu is still messed up so its still up in the air |
| 01:09.23 | badl | that was about right |
| 01:09.34 | badl | what about the jpg lib? |
| 01:09.39 | |rerun| | so it is running now? |
| 01:09.47 | badl | not fully |
| 01:10.25 | DaWorm | but its going there |
| 01:10.26 | |rerun| | anyone have a howto on the fix? (i'm getting tired of konq/e) -- even if the fix is just partial.... |
| 01:10.52 | DaWorm | none that i know |
| 01:11.00 | DaWorm | i'm sure its just a matter of days |
| 01:11.02 | |rerun| | hm, ok... |
| 01:11.06 | DaWorm | someone got it running already |
| 01:11.08 | |rerun| | that's great. |
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| 02:23.07 | DaWorm | bye bye |
| 02:29.17 | schurig | |rerun|: what's wrong with konq/e, why do you get tired? |
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| 02:46.18 | Onyx4 | mmm libtool is a bitch |
| 02:46.32 | Onyx4 | it always tries to use my /usr/lib/blah instead of staging dir |
| 04:30.58 | phpCure | Onyx4: yea, fix it |
| 04:31.05 | phpCure | libtool is just a shell script |
| 04:31.11 | phpCure | i thought kergoth fixed it.. |
| 04:31.14 | phpCure | Onyx4: any luck with mplayer? |
| 04:31.51 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 04:31.52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:32.19 | schurig | TheMasterMind1: I'v heard that mplayer worked (here in the irc, is there anywhere a log available?) |
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| 04:33.44 | schurig | TheMasterMind1: and there have been many changes in the BK repository for mplayer during the last 24 hours |
| 04:33.54 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot log |
| 04:33.54 | | log is, like, This is a record of events. |
| 04:34.10 | TheMasterMind1 | schurig: yea, most of that was me changing stuff |
| 04:34.18 | TheMasterMind1 | but it seems onyx made a few updates too |
| 04:34.33 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot logs |
| 04:34.33 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ |
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| 04:49.36 | schurig | PicoBot: kergoth++ |
| 04:50.42 | schurig | PicoBot: kergoth-- |
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| 06:03.31 | Twiun | mornin' |
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| 06:57.41 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin everyone |
| 06:58.48 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 07:01.48 | ljp | hola |
| 07:05.31 | ljp | Como esta? |
| 07:07.40 | Twiun | what was it again... ah yes... muy bien? (sp?) |
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| 07:15.54 | Twiun | hey ben |
| 07:16.37 | benmeyer | hi |
| 07:16.52 | Cloudchaser | hi ben :) |
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| 07:34.47 | ljp | eessch.. sharp rom's backup works by running a script for the main backup and restore |
| 07:35.53 | ljp | hmm maybe because it terminates qpe to do its magic |
| 07:36.13 | numatrix | Are there any faqs for which vnc server to use with OZ, or is it the same as sharp? |
| 07:36.18 | Cloudchaser | its broken |
| 07:36.21 | Cloudchaser | doesn't work |
| 07:36.23 | numatrix | Bummer. |
| 07:36.26 | Cloudchaser | kergoth is looking into it |
| 07:36.36 | numatrix | Probably item 38 on the list of todos. :-) |
| 07:36.38 | ljp | while he's sleeping? |
| 07:36.39 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 07:36.47 | numatrix | ljp: Oh, he's good... he's good... |
| 07:36.51 | Cloudchaser | no ljp of course not |
| 07:36.51 | ljp | hwehe |
| 07:37.32 | ljp | code by osmosis.. put the code in your zaurus, and put the zaurus under your pillow.. sleep... wake up.. code is finished |
| 07:37.57 | Cloudchaser | don't we wish :) |
| 07:38.51 | ljp | benmeyer: ping |
| 07:40.43 | ljp | either my batterty is going south, or opie/oz is taking up an unusual amount of power |
| 07:41.01 | Cloudchaser | i read something like that |
| 07:41.10 | benmeyer | Pooonononng |
| 07:41.11 | Cloudchaser | that oz seemed to take more power |
| 07:41.13 | benmeyer | hey there |
| 07:41.58 | ljp | ben: what license is (Sharp rom) /usr/QtPalmtop.rom/bin/qtbr.sh under? |
| 07:42.08 | benmeyer | what is qtbr.sh? |
| 07:42.20 | ljp | the script that does its backup/restore |
| 07:42.22 | benmeyer | probably propriatary to Sharp Lineo or TrollTech |
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| 07:43.09 | ljp | I've been working on opies backup |
| 07:43.47 | benmeyer | glad to hear |
| 07:43.50 | benmeyer | been busy |
| 07:44.08 | benmeyer | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7038193921.html |
| 07:44.23 | ljp | it works now, and I am changing it to use OProcess and adding a few backup options |
| 07:44.37 | benmeyer | cool |
| 07:44.52 | ljp | like backing up the rom.. using dd :) |
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| 07:47.13 | AndyQ | hi |
| 07:49.23 | Cloudchaser | hello :) |
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| 07:58.45 | kergoth`out | ljp: dont backup the rom with dd |
| 07:59.59 | kergoth | mornin |
| 08:01.33 | schurig | moin |
| 08:01.44 | AndyQ | morning kergoth |
| 08:01.45 | schurig | (that's north-german slang) |
| 08:02.05 | kergoth | schurig: yep, i know. the vast majority of the opie devs are german ;) |
| 08:02.10 | kergoth | hey andy, schurig |
| 08:02.23 | AndyQ | hows it going? |
| 08:03.44 | kergoth | tired. and busy as hell at work again. |
| 08:03.45 | kergoth | you? |
| 08:03.58 | AndyQ | not tired and have a day off today :) |
| 08:04.10 | kergoth | lucky you ;) |
| 08:04.12 | kergoth | brb, coffe |
| 08:04.13 | kergoth | e |
| 08:05.21 | bipolar | kergoth: WB |
| 08:06.30 | AndyQ | anyone know which package libkfile is in? |
| 08:06.55 | AndyQ | I thought it should be kdelibs but it isn't (or didn't get installed anyway) |
| 08:08.59 | kergoth | AndyQ: auto-apt search libkfile |
| 08:09.08 | kergoth | after auto-apt update of course |
| 08:09.25 | AndyQ | THATS THE COMMAND i've been trying to remember all day! THANKS! |
| 08:09.30 | kergoth | ;) |
| 08:09.32 | kergoth | np |
| 08:09.40 | jmh|sleep | hehe |
| 08:09.44 | prpplague | kergoth: so....whats broken at digi today? |
| 08:09.53 | kergoth | do what i do, create a text file with the -must-remember- commands |
| 08:09.56 | kergoth | :) |
| 08:10.15 | AndyQ | hehe or let ibot know :) |
| 08:10.20 | AndyQ | ibot must remember |
| 08:10.20 | | AndyQ: are you smoking crack? |
| 08:10.28 | AndyQ | wish I was |
| 08:10.30 | kergoth | prpplague: the usual. shitload of people are out, couple things that need problem reproduction.. |
| 08:10.44 | kergoth | AndyQ: that only works if you remember the keywords to say to ibot :) |
| 08:11.01 | AndyQ | ibot tell me useful stuff |
| 08:11.18 | jmhodges | heheh |
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| 08:14.27 | hartmans | I'm trying to understand how the initrd works. The FAQ implies that it is writable. Are changes to the initrd lost on hard reset or preserved? |
| 08:15.08 | schurig | kergoth: I'm not yet an Opie dev ... but a good quantity of KDE developers are german (and I've done little tidbits for KDE, but only a few) |
| 08:15.23 | kergoth | schurig: ah yes, i was under that impression :) thats cool |
| 08:15.36 | kergoth | hartmans: flash is persistant |
| 08:15.42 | kergoth | hartmans: your data is not lost |
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| 08:16.25 | hartmans | kergoth: How is that managed? Is the initrd handling in the kernel different than say on i386? |
| 08:17.28 | hartmans | Or is it all just a function of boot loader? |
| 08:19.18 | kergoth | hartmans: eh? its *flash*. flash is persistant by nature. its just read only in sharp. |
| 08:22.31 | hartmans | Generally, the kernel gets a copy of the initrd, so it doesn't matter if it is read. But as I think about how this must work, it would be the boot loader that does the copying on a hosted system, so on something like the Zaurus that wouldn't happen; I was just confused about how the initrd kernel interface worked |
| 08:22.41 | kergoth | nononono |
| 08:22.43 | kergoth | its not an initrd. |
| 08:22.47 | kergoth | its not a ramdisk. |
| 08:22.57 | kergoth | its a rootfilesystem in flash, sharp just named the filename inproperly |
| 08:23.20 | AndyQ | kergoth: just to let you know, I've had problems compiling the following from the buildroot: libraries: gconv, libogg, zlib |
| 08:23.22 | kergoth | its run directly off of flash. though in sharp they use a mess of symlinks to linkl their persistant ramdisk into flash |
| 08:23.34 | kergoth | AndyQ: gconv is known to fail, zlib is known to work, libogg i have no idea |
| 08:23.38 | kergoth | AndyQ: i'll wipe my tree and test |
| 08:23.54 | AndyQ | heh - I thought as much |
| 08:24.06 | ljp_work | kergoth: I'm seeing alot of battery drain on my oz beta.. was this issue perchance, loked at/fixed in the 3 release? |
| 08:24.18 | ljp_work | looked at even |
| 08:24.18 | kergoth | ljp_work: havent changed anything along those lines |
| 08:24.26 | ljp_work | hmm ok |
| 08:24.45 | kergoth | ljp_work: a certain amount is to be expected while idle, when not suspended, due to our daemons and opie itself |
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| 08:25.15 | aman | Onyx4 hey |
| 08:25.25 | kergoth | AHHHH |
| 08:25.30 | ljp_work | I'm having to charge it evey other day with normal use, even having it on the cradle for a half hour here and there |
| 08:25.51 | ljp_work | while the sharp rom doesnt need charge for at least a 3 or 4 days |
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| 08:25.54 | kergoth | ljp_work: odd. try killing off the ssh daemon, syslog, klog, etc |
| 08:26.01 | aman | kergoth what's new |
| 08:26.13 | kergoth | well, my job sucks more than usual today |
| 08:26.40 | AndyQ | zlib compiled yesterday but it isn't nowkergoth: how come? |
| 08:26.49 | AndyQ | kergoth: how come? |
| 08:27.38 | aman | anyone know what's going on with mplayer? Onyx4 figure anything out? |
| 08:28.34 | ljp_work | opie-login is always running? |
| 08:28.57 | aman | yea |
| 08:30.14 | kergoth | ljp_work: eh? if its installed, yes. |
| 08:30.18 | kergoth | ljp_work: its not installed in 3.0 by default. |
| 08:30.34 | kergoth | AndyQ: how the hell should i know? |
| 08:31.05 | kergoth | AndyQ: no changes have been made to zlib1g since 11/12/02 |
| 08:31.05 | *** join/#openzaurus JasonNJ (~perlowj@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com) |
| 08:31.06 | AndyQ | kergoth: sorry, I meant why does your job suck more that usual, not the zlib (thats not improtant!) |
| 08:31.12 | kergoth | AndyQ: ah |
| 08:31.31 | kergoth | AndyQ: busy, we're out 4 people, and we're normally short staffed when we have everyone |
| 08:31.32 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 08:31.34 | AndyQ | I had something in my buffer and forgot to delete it |
| 08:31.37 | JasonNJ | kergoth: any reason why I cant see the mtdram on the optimized rom, and why it reports SL5000 on a 5500 in system info? |
| 08:31.55 | kergoth | JasonNJ: the 5000 thing is an easy fix, the ODevice class isnt checking for model |
| 08:32.04 | kergoth | JasonNJ: mtdram should be shown, i havent seen that |
| 08:32.09 | AndyQ | doing support short handed is even less fun than normal! |
| 08:32.16 | kergoth | yes |
| 08:32.26 | benmeyer | been reading up on combreloc and to get prelink working you will have to rebuild the entire toolchain it looks like kergoth |
| 08:32.30 | kergoth | particularly when i have 3 problem reproductions to do for cases with large potential sales volume |
| 08:32.30 | JasonNJ | I dont see mtdram in storage |
| 08:32.33 | kergoth | benmeyer: eh? |
| 08:32.35 | kergoth | benmeyer: no, you dont |
| 08:32.40 | AndyQ | kergoth: at least its Friday |
| 08:32.44 | benmeyer | http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/216/2001/10/0/6958006/ |
| 08:32.50 | benmeyer | for example |
| 08:32.50 | kergoth | benmeyer: you run the prelink binary on the destination machine |
| 08:32.55 | kergoth | benmeyer: after installing a patched libelfg0 |
| 08:33.01 | kergoth | benmeyer: gcc3.2 and glibc 2.3.1 facilitates the rest |
| 08:33.10 | JasonNJ | total memory 38928mb |
| 08:33.17 | JasonNJ | no mtdram filesystem reported |
| 08:33.21 | benmeyer | do you have those? |
| 08:33.30 | kergoth | benmeyer: dood, rtfm |
| 08:33.38 | kergoth | benmeyer: that doc is glibc 2.2.4, of which the only relocation prelinking is hacks. |
| 08:33.52 | kergoth | benmeyer: google for redhat prelink |
| 08:33.59 | kergoth | benmeyer: locate the mails by jakub |
| 08:34.07 | benmeyer | ok so combreloc is just a hack and different from prelink? |
| 08:34.11 | kergoth | benmeyer: and its *prelink*, not combreloc or objprelink |
| 08:34.13 | kergoth | benmeyer: ye.s |
| 08:34.16 | benmeyer | ok |
| 08:34.54 | kergoth | benmeyer: the only reason i'm not done with prelinking is due to a stupid bug in the build |
| 08:35.08 | kergoth | benmeyer: he uses 64 bit elf functions even if i disable the use of 64 bit elf in the configure script |
| 08:35.22 | kergoth | benmeyer: and of course 64 bit elf cant be used without a 64bit integer type, which ARM doesnt have |
| 08:35.30 | benmeyer | ah |
| 08:35.36 | JasonNJ | nope, no mtdram file system |
| 08:35.41 | JasonNJ | according to df -k |
| 08:35.44 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 08:35.50 | kergoth | JasonNJ: eh? |
| 08:35.54 | kergoth | JasonNJ: that only means its not mounted |
| 08:35.58 | kergoth | JasonNJ: not that it doesnt exist |
| 08:36.01 | kergoth | JasonNJ: cat /proc/mtd |
| 08:36.02 | JasonNJ | ah |
| 08:36.23 | JasonNJ | mtd6 is there |
| 08:36.32 | JasonNJ | ok so do a mount /dev/mtd6 ? |
| 08:36.39 | kergoth | benmeyer: anyway, i'm going to ifdef out the elf64 functions based on the configure check, and make it dump a warning if it encounters a 64bit elf header |
| 08:36.42 | kergoth | JasonNJ: no |
| 08:36.49 | kergoth | JasonNJ: cat /etc/fstab, is a mtdblock6 entry there? |
| 08:37.37 | JasonNJ | yeat |
| 08:37.39 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 08:37.53 | JasonNJ | mount /dev/mtdblock6 ? |
| 08:38.01 | kergoth | yeah |
| 08:38.24 | JasonNJ | failed |
| 08:38.30 | kergoth | "About the time we think we can make ends meet, somebody moves the "About the time we think we can make ends meet, somebody moves the ends." --Herbert Hoover |
| 08:38.33 | JasonNJ | invalid argument |
| 08:38.45 | kergoth | er, damn pasting |
| 08:38.49 | kergoth | i cant even paste right in the morning |
| 08:39.04 | kergoth | JasonNJ: oh |
| 08:39.05 | kergoth | JasonNJ: nevermind |
| 08:39.06 | JasonNJ | kergoth: back to the drawing board, lol |
| 08:39.09 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i know what the problem is |
| 08:39.19 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i told you alreayd, though you didnt realize the consequences |
| 08:39.20 | JasonNJ | kergoth: I like the speed of the optimized binaries though |
| 08:39.23 | kergoth | JasonNJ: e2fsprogs is b0rked |
| 08:39.28 | kergoth | JasonNJ: remember fsck bombed? |
| 08:39.31 | kergoth | JasonNJ: so did mkfs.ext2. |
| 08:39.34 | JasonNJ | yes I am just busting your balls |
| 08:39.44 | schurig | kergoth: all the time BK goes crazy on "bk pull". It complains about ramses_base, e.g. |
| 08:39.45 | schurig | ERROR: File left in BitKeeper/RENAMES/SCCS/s.8 |
| 08:39.45 | schurig | Can't rename BitKeeper/RENAMES/SCCS/s.9 -> packages/ramses-base/dir/etc/SCCS/s.passwd |
| 08:39.45 | schurig | REASON: destination exists. |
| 08:40.07 | kergoth | schurig: something borked in the rename/move handling |
| 08:40.12 | JasonNJ | people have been busting my balls all week |
| 08:40.18 | kergoth | schurig: i'd say remove s.passwd and let it rename whatever to it. |
| 08:40.19 | JasonNJ | I need someone to bust |
| 08:40.31 | schurig | kergoth: yes, but nothing had been renamed in ramses-base... at least not by me |
| 08:41.22 | schurig | Does not help |
| 08:41.22 | kergoth | schurig: i dunno what to tell you. i cnat tell you how it happened. |
| 08:41.46 | kergoth | it sounds like s.8 and s.9 both touch passwd, so they stomp on one another |
| 08:41.50 | kergoth | but i cant see your tree to know |
| 08:42.05 | schurig | I guess that BK can *NOT* handle (as I assumed) directory trees. I had it twice already, I removed everything and did "bk clone" ... |
| 08:42.14 | kergoth | eh? |
| 08:42.21 | kergoth | you had what twice already? |
| 08:42.47 | schurig | All the tenthousand errors. It's actually way longer than the list I pasted into IRC |
| 08:42.47 | kergoth | and in case you didnt notice, buildroot is a directory tree. seems able to handle that fine |
| 08:42.54 | kergoth | what errors? |
| 08:42.56 | kergoth | i ahvent seen any |
| 08:43.07 | kergoth | its possible our bkbits tree is b0rked, let me clone and do another build |
| 08:43.12 | kergoth | though i've got 3 trees here already |
| 08:43.17 | schurig | Ok, I do a "bk resolve". Then I get an error list with 208 lines |
| 08:43.43 | schurig | It starts (I just post the first few ...) |
| 08:43.50 | schurig | Using :0.0 as graphical display |
| 08:43.50 | schurig | Verifying consistency of the RESYNC tree... |
| 08:43.50 | schurig | resolve: applied 11 files in pass 4 |
| 08:43.51 | schurig | resolve: running consistency check, please wait... |
| 08:43.51 | schurig | check: BitKeeper/RENAMES/SCCS/s.1 should be |
| 08:43.52 | schurig | packages/ramses-base/dir/etc/SCCS/s..cvsignore |
| 08:43.53 | schurig | check: BitKeeper/RENAMES/SCCS/s.10 should be |
| 08:43.55 | schurig | packages/ramses-base/dir/etc/init.d/SCCS/s.functions |
| 08:44.33 | kergoth | like i said, something borked in the rename handling. either fix up your tree manualy, or email the bitkeeper folks |
| 08:44.36 | kergoth | i'm no bk expert |
| 08:48.32 | *** join/#openzaurus noda (~noda@modemcable136.245-202-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 08:48.53 | noda | When I do a mkfs.minix on my /dev/mmcda1, it only sets it to 64MB, even though my SD card is 256MB... is there a workaround? |
| 08:48.58 | noda | Oh, Moo, by the way. |
| 08:50.26 | AndyQ | heh |
| 08:50.44 | kergoth | noda: repartition |
| 08:51.48 | noda | kergoth: Really? mkfs.ext2 and mkfs.vfat work properly. |
| 08:51.48 | kergoth | oh |
| 08:51.49 | kergoth | minix only supports 64mb. |
| 08:51.49 | DaJoker | 64M is a minix limit |
| 08:51.49 | kergoth | and short filenames |
| 08:51.49 | kergoth | yep |
| 08:51.49 | noda | Oh. Damn, it's so fast too :( |
| 08:51.49 | kergoth | yep |
| 08:51.50 | kergoth | thats why chouimat was working on a new filesystem based on minix wihtout that limitation |
| 08:51.50 | noda | I guess I'll use vfat - ext2 used to work well (though it's slow) but now it takes AGES to transfer files. |
| 08:51.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:51.50 | kergoth | we've been down this road |
| 08:51.52 | noda | Since OZ3. |
| 08:52.04 | kergoth | noda: bullshit. there were no e2fsprogs changes in about 3 months. |
| 08:52.05 | noda | I'm not the only one who has problems with ext2 on sd. |
| 08:52.10 | kergoth | its not just sd. |
| 08:52.12 | kergoth | its sd and cf |
| 08:52.19 | kergoth | which means its ext2's problem, not sd or cf |
| 08:52.39 | kergoth | hmm |
| 08:52.41 | ljp_work | anyone tried ext3? :) or reiserfs? |
| 08:52.42 | noda | minis and vfat are fast, ext2 is slow. I mean, REALLY REALLY slow. |
| 08:52.43 | kergoth | noda: i have an idea |
| 08:52.45 | kergoth | ljp_work: stupid. |
| 08:52.51 | kergoth | noda: try removing the sync flag from options |
| 08:52.52 | ljp_work | heheh I knwo, but still |
| 08:53.07 | kergoth | noda: it'll make it so you get data loss if you remove without ejecting, but the processes wont hang while sd writes it |
| 08:53.07 | noda | kergoth: Do you know the command for that off-hand? (busybox's help isn't exactly verbose) |
| 08:53.11 | kergoth | noda: eh? |
| 08:53.13 | kergoth | noda: its not busybox |
| 08:53.15 | kergoth | noda: vi /etc/fstab |
| 08:53.20 | kergoth | noda: remove 'sync' from teh sd mount line |
| 08:53.20 | noda | kergoth: Oh, I see :) |
| 08:53.41 | noda | I'll do it for the sake of testing, but I like removing SD without ejecting. |
| 08:53.52 | kergoth | well, its one or the other |
| 08:53.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:53.57 | kergoth | we didnt used to have the sync flags |
| 08:53.58 | kergoth | thats new |
| 08:54.04 | kergoth | to prevent data loss and fileystem corruption |
| 08:54.18 | kergoth | but also causes processes to hang until the write completers |
| 08:54.20 | kergoth | completes |
| 08:54.25 | noda | Ah, I see :) |
| 08:54.29 | kergoth | rather than finishing immediatley while it caches and writes in the bg |
| 08:55.17 | noda | Yep, that solved it :) |
| 08:55.26 | kergoth | yep |
| 08:55.27 | kergoth | figured. |
| 08:55.32 | kergoth | man, how i figured that out |
| 08:55.36 | kergoth | with no coffee |
| 08:55.38 | kergoth | is beyond me |
| 08:55.40 | kergoth | lol |
| 08:55.40 | noda | lol |
| 08:55.55 | kergoth | that needs an fAQ entry, big time |
| 08:55.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:56.10 | kergoth | so its a toss up. writes with ext2 are slow |
| 08:56.13 | kergoth | but people dont notice |
| 08:56.18 | kergoth | because of the caching |
| 08:56.22 | noda | I guess vfat is a much better system, eh? |
| 08:56.23 | kergoth | so it seems anyway |
| 08:56.26 | kergoth | no |
| 08:56.29 | kergoth | just different |
| 08:56.35 | kergoth | and apparently not designed for use on flash meia |
| 08:56.36 | kergoth | media |
| 08:56.43 | kergoth | vfat probably caches less |
| 08:56.46 | kergoth | no |
| 08:56.48 | kergoth | fuck if i know |
| 08:56.52 | noda | But it's so much faster even with the 'sync' option... |
| 08:57.03 | kergoth | dont make me try to analyze the merits of filesystems on flash without coffee |
| 08:57.09 | kergoth | i barely managed to debug a problem |
| 08:57.09 | noda | Hehehe |
| 08:57.20 | noda | :) |
| 08:57.38 | noda | Ooh, almost 50% done transcoding the first quarter of LOTR... oh, damn, only pass 1 :) |
| 08:57.52 | noda | btw, if anyone was wondering, YES you have to switch DVD's halfway through :) |
| 08:57.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 08:57.59 | kergoth | i was wondering |
| 08:58.01 | kergoth | i still have to buy that |
| 08:58.08 | noda | It's incredible. |
| 08:58.12 | noda | I still have to watch the second half :) |
| 08:58.14 | kergoth | too bad i'm broke |
| 08:58.22 | noda | Yeah, it's not exactly cheap. |
| 08:58.26 | kergoth | and to think i'm thinking about taking off to vegas next week |
| 08:58.29 | kergoth | need a break |
| 08:58.39 | aman | heh |
| 08:58.42 | aman | noda wassup |
| 08:58.53 | aman | noda don't use transcode. use mencoder |
| 08:58.53 | benmeyer | kergoth: for comdex? |
| 08:58.55 | aman | ibot mencoder |
| 08:58.55 | | hmm... mencoder is an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ or use this simple script to convert ibot's movies http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 08:58.55 | noda | aman: Seeing Girl tonight :) |
| 08:58.58 | aman | noda nice |
| 08:59.07 | noda | aman: Bah, transcode is nice because dvd::rip uses it :) |
| 09:00.10 | kergoth | benmeyer: havent decided |
| 09:00.15 | noda | Aargh, I have to wake up and do stuff today :) |
| 09:00.18 | kergoth | i'm fucking broke, i cant do a damn thing |
| 09:00.21 | kergoth | brb, coffee |
| 09:00.29 | chouimat | morning |
| 09:00.32 | noda | chouimat: Morning! |
| 09:00.39 | noda | chouimat: Today is a gonna-see-Girl morning :) |
| 09:00.45 | noda | Er, day |
| 09:01.05 | aman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.14 | chouimat | noda: good. I probably go in "Le bas du fleuve" this weekend |
| 09:01.17 | aman | give kergoth money! |
| 09:01.18 | aman | :) |
| 09:01.23 | noda | chouimat: What's that? |
| 09:01.32 | noda | chouimat: Swimming? |
| 09:01.36 | chouimat | noda: eastern quebec |
| 09:01.49 | noda | Oh, lol (was thinking you were diving or drowning yourself) |
| 09:02.16 | noda | Anyway, I gotta wake up today. Things to do, person to see :) |
| 09:02.23 | aman | lol |
| 09:02.26 | noda | Oh yeah, and a class before that. Skipped one, but this one I have to go to :) |
| 09:03.08 | *** part/#openzaurus schurig (~schurig@p5080B866.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:03.28 | noda | lol |
| 09:04.17 | aman | heh |
| 09:07.58 | *** join/#openzaurus XavierXeon (~mr_x@p50876F8C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:08.25 | aman | ibot you suck |
| 09:08.26 | | :( |
| 09:08.34 | aman | heh |
| 09:08.35 | aman | ibot you suck |
| 09:08.35 | | :( |
| 09:08.41 | aman | ibot you suck is bad |
| 09:08.41 | | I think you lost me on that one, aman |
| 09:08.46 | aman | ibot you suck is kjdf |
| 09:08.46 | | aman: what are you talking about? |
| 09:08.51 | aman | ibot die |
| 09:08.51 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples lifeless. |
| 09:09.19 | *** join/#openzaurus guised (guised@S64-216.DATANET.NYU.EDU) |
| 09:10.34 | guised | has anyone tried out jamus' mini faq on hancom? |
| 09:11.55 | Cloudchaser | is that the one that tells how to get it working? |
| 09:12.06 | Cloudchaser | on oz? |
| 09:12.10 | AndyQ | kergoth: buildroot building qte-2.3.4 (have make bk pulled, and co'd, + mrpropered), but get Error! /home/andy/buildroot/packages/qte-2.3.4/qt-2.3.4-beta2-uic.tar.gz not found. |
| 09:12.30 | guised | Cloudchaser: yeah, i found it on the zauruszone forum |
| 09:12.32 | Cloudchaser | guised: if i have to do that to get apps to work i'll go back to sharp rom |
| 09:12.57 | XavierXeon | anyone else having trouble with wlan connections in oz3 ? i put my nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf, but cannot even ping anything |
| 09:13.32 | Cloudchaser | my wlan connection seems fine cept for the unstable feed i had to remove www from the url |
| 09:13.42 | Cloudchaser | which was a bit odd |
| 09:13.47 | AndyQ | XavierXeon: I had a similar problem and had to manually add a route -net 0.0.0.0 gw xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 09:14.09 | AndyQ | because I think my gateway isn't the standard one |
| 09:14.30 | XavierXeon | AndyQ: thanks i will try that (even though i did specify my gateway) |
| 09:18.01 | *** part/#openzaurus XavierXeon (~mr_x@p50876F8C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:19.54 | kergoth | AndyQ: hmm, schurig committed a uic package, i wonder if qt/e uses it yet |
| 09:19.56 | kergoth | AndyQ: let me take alook |
| 09:23.50 | AndyQ | kergoth: I'm starting to get used Debian now - seems noticably quicker than Mandrake but then I guess I haven't got half the crap I had before |
| 09:24.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 09:24.15 | AndyQ | kergoth: its taking a bit of time getting used to the package manager |
| 09:24.21 | kergoth | yeah |
| 09:24.44 | AndyQ | kergoth: my main problem is when I build something and it fails coz say the X includes aren't there - finding which package has them is fun |
| 09:25.10 | kergoth | auto-apt baby |
| 09:25.10 | kergoth | ;) |
| 09:25.17 | kergoth | AndyQ: generally its .. package-dev |
| 09:25.52 | AndyQ | heh - but it took me about an hour to figure out the X one |
| 09:26.00 | AndyQ | and I can't remember what it was now :) |
| 09:26.17 | AndyQ | and kde-devel was a friggin nightmare |
| 09:26.39 | Rince | hiho guys |
| 09:26.55 | Rince | the opieplayer it capable of playing mp3s? |
| 09:26.59 | AndyQ | it was by pure chance I found I needed a 1 after the package otherwise it would uninstall most of my existing kde stuff and chuck kde 2.2 stuff on instead |
| 09:27.02 | AndyQ | heh |
| 09:27.38 | kergoth | Rince: yes, if you install the libmadplugin and the libmpegplugin |
| 09:27.45 | Rince | *grmbl* |
| 09:27.54 | Rince | that#s what I need to know then Ä_ |
| 09:27.58 | Rince | :-) |
| 09:28.09 | kergoth | haha |
| 09:28.19 | kergoth | schurig points out sysvinit in the gcc3.2 feed is larger than qt/e! |
| 09:28.21 | kergoth | lmao |
| 09:28.27 | kergoth | that explains some of our space loss alright |
| 09:28.57 | chouimat | kergoth: fix that |
| 09:28.59 | kergoth | i am |
| 09:29.35 | AndyQ | kergoth: have you switched you Z pretty much permentantly to the 3.2 build now? |
| 09:30.58 | kergoth | AndyQ: yeah, i'm liking it |
| 09:31.02 | kergoth | AndyQ: even though i cant use the apps i paid for |
| 09:31.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 09:31.14 | AndyQ | lol |
| 09:31.26 | AndyQ | pester tck to port them :) |
| 09:31.35 | kergoth | nah all i own from tkc is tkcmahjonng |
| 09:31.39 | kergoth | what i really want is neo's games |
| 09:31.40 | kergoth | :) |
| 09:31.51 | kergoth | u switched you Z pretty much permentantly to the |
| 09:31.51 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.53 | kergoth | er |
| 09:31.56 | kergoth | Unable to push to http://openzaurus@openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot |
| 09:31.57 | kergoth | The repository that you are pushing to is 15 changesets |
| 09:31.58 | kergoth | egad |
| 09:32.19 | Cloudchaser | can i ask something dumb? |
| 09:32.24 | kergoth | 15 changesets ahead of me, nuts |
| 09:32.25 | kergoth | ask away |
| 09:32.38 | AndyQ | I'm waiting until I can get a clean build of opie and stuff with the 3.2 buildroot so I know that I can compile my own apps first |
| 09:32.48 | kergoth | AndyQ: aqpkg doesnt compile |
| 09:32.55 | kergoth | AndyQ: not sure if its gcc3.2, or something with my toolchain |
| 09:33.04 | kergoth | AndyQ: i'm going to test it with a x86 gcc3.2 to find out |
| 09:33.12 | AndyQ | kergoth: doesn't it - I put the patches in for gcc 3.2 |
| 09:33.21 | Cloudchaser | hehe i don't know how to ask it |
| 09:33.25 | kergoth | yeah, still fails out. but i wouldnt put it past having a hosed toolchain |
| 09:33.25 | Cloudchaser | the gcc 3.2 |
| 09:33.29 | kergoth | i did go through 8 revisions of it |
| 09:33.35 | Cloudchaser | that is for future oz? |
| 09:33.38 | kergoth | well, no |
| 09:33.40 | kergoth | sort of |
| 09:33.49 | AndyQ | heh - I'll give it a go |
| 09:33.50 | kergoth | gcc3.2 roms will be released alongside regular roms going forward |
| 09:33.52 | kergoth | both |
| 09:33.58 | AndyQ | how do I switch to use gcc 3.2 from the command live? |
| 09:34.03 | AndyQ | line I mean |
| 09:34.07 | kergoth | as gcc3.2 breaks bi nary compatibility, all the apps on zsi wont work |
| 09:34.09 | kergoth | AndyQ: gcc-3.2 |
| 09:34.11 | kergoth | AndyQ: g++-3.2 |
| 09:34.15 | kergoth | AndyQ: heh |
| 09:34.15 | Cloudchaser | what is the difference then? |
| 09:34.26 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: its built with a superior compiler |
| 09:34.29 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: which optimizes much better |
| 09:34.30 | AndyQ | heh - I meant get makefiles and stuff to use it? |
| 09:34.39 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: chouimat reports 2-3 times faster load times, it feels that way anyway |
| 09:34.48 | kergoth | AndyQ: change CC and freinds appropriately |
| 09:34.53 | Cloudchaser | ok but not everything works with it? |
| 09:34.57 | kergoth | AndyQ: for opie, edit configs/linux-g++-shared or whatever |
| 09:34.59 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: nono |
| 09:35.05 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: every source can be built with it |
| 09:35.07 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: like fsck |
| 09:35.10 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: but the -binary- packages on zsi dont work |
| 09:35.19 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: if you rebuild them from source with my toolchain, they'll work with it |
| 09:35.24 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: so the only apps you lose are commerical |
| 09:35.30 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: any open source app we can make work |
| 09:35.30 | Cloudchaser | well thats a biggy |
| 09:35.34 | kergoth | yes, it is. |
| 09:35.37 | kergoth | which is why we arent switching to it. |
| 09:35.49 | kergoth | I'm releasing multiple initrd.bin's going forward |
| 09:35.51 | Cloudchaser | but you are spending time on it.. |
| 09:35.57 | kergoth | yes, and rightly so |
| 09:36.03 | kergoth | Sharp was fucking stupid for not doing it in the 5600 |
| 09:36.04 | kergoth | you dont et it |
| 09:36.05 | kergoth | get it |
| 09:36.08 | kergoth | this is the *future8 |
| 09:36.10 | Cloudchaser | no i don't really |
| 09:36.15 | Cloudchaser | i want things to work now :) |
| 09:36.20 | kergoth | future roms -should- have switched to gcc3.2 and qt3 |
| 09:36.23 | Cloudchaser | then i'll worry about the future |
| 09:36.23 | kergoth | sharp was fucking stupid |
| 09:36.29 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yes, you're a user. |
| 09:36.30 | Cloudchaser | i'm not disagreeing ;) |
| 09:36.31 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i'm not. |
| 09:36.43 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: I have to consider whats going to bite me in the ass in 6 months |
| 09:36.57 | chouimat | or 12 months |
| 09:37.00 | kergoth | bingo |
| 09:37.07 | kergoth | preparation is good |
| 09:37.17 | Cloudchaser | but you are only one person kergoth |
| 09:37.18 | kergoth | besides, power users who are open source enthusiasts will take advantage of this |
| 09:37.21 | kergoth | such as myself |
| 09:37.27 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: dont i know it :) |
| 09:38.02 | chouimat | kergoth: beside the SH4 port of OZ will use gcc 3.2 |
| 09:38.10 | Cloudchaser | but from where i sit.. i see many things unfinished/not working properly and people are off and running on new and exciting things |
| 09:38.16 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: eh? |
| 09:38.27 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: 90% of teh outstanding bugs are opie |
| 09:38.29 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i await fixes |
| 09:38.47 | Cloudchaser | but if opie can't keep up it makes oz unviable |
| 09:38.52 | kergoth | and? |
| 09:38.56 | kergoth | what the fuck do i do about that? |
| 09:38.59 | kergoth | i can only control certain things |
| 09:39.01 | kergoth | and i do that well |
| 09:39.03 | Cloudchaser | i know kergoth |
| 09:39.12 | Cloudchaser | i don't know what an answer is |
| 09:39.14 | kergoth | but i'm not going to sit and fret about thigns outside my control |
| 09:39.15 | kergoth | i know better |
| 09:39.29 | ljp_work | opie doesnt have any bugs..! |
| 09:39.34 | Cloudchaser | yes it does |
| 09:39.36 | ljp_work | shame on you! |
| 09:39.38 | kergoth | my mom get migraines due to stress. she worries about things outside her control |
| 09:39.48 | kergoth | i dont think i'll take that route, thanks |
| 09:39.59 | Cloudchaser | i understand kergoth |
| 09:40.11 | kergoth | and vnc will be fixed when i get to it. i have about 8 outstanding things to be done on OZ |
| 09:40.12 | Cloudchaser | but i hate to see your efforts wasted :) |
| 09:40.19 | ljp_work | if opie things arent working, submit to opie bugs, please :) |
| 09:40.20 | kergoth | we have a problem with ifconfig not calculating broadcasts properly |
| 09:40.23 | Cloudchaser | i have |
| 09:40.39 | kergoth | we have the ext2 slowness on cards issue |
| 09:40.46 | kergoth | which we found the reason for, but theres no good solution |
| 09:40.49 | chouimat | I think opie is getting huge |
| 09:41.03 | chouimat | kergoth: give me time |
| 09:41.07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 09:41.08 | kergoth | :) |
| 09:41.23 | kergoth | i know, a lot of people are working on things too, i appreciate everyone's help on this |
| 09:41.41 | kergoth | without noda and tmm1 we wouldnt even have a website, for example |
| 09:41.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 09:42.03 | chouimat | kergoth: ext2 is fast on the desktop because it cash the write in the memory and commit it on disk when the system is idle |
| 09:42.04 | ljp_work | huge? |
| 09:42.16 | ljp_work | as in what parts are huge? |
| 09:42.28 | kergoth | chouimat: yes |
| 09:42.38 | chouimat | ljp_work: teasing you :P |
| 09:42.43 | ljp_work | hmmm |
| 09:42.54 | ljp_work | ibot: lart chouimat |
| 09:43.15 | chouimat | kergoth: and that design don't make sense on a PDA |
| 09:44.42 | chouimat | ibot lart ljp_work |
| 09:45.44 | aman | heh |
| 09:48.52 | AndyQ | OK, I'm off for a night on the towm - see you |
| 09:49.18 | Cloudchaser | have fun! |
| 09:49.59 | chouimat | hehe M$ lost 177millions$ for 3 months with th XBOX |
| 09:50.29 | *** join/#openzaurus Dessimat0r (Dessimat0r@public1-birk1-3-cust60.manc.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 09:50.33 | Dessimat0r | lo all :D |
| 09:53.52 | bipolar | chouimat: In further news: Bill Gates finds $203 Million under the cushens of his couch; Donates it to charity. |
| 09:55.02 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 09:55.28 | chouimat | bipolar: and another news: Bill Gates lost his wife in his mansion |
| 09:56.14 | bipolar | chouimat: Update! Bill Gates finds wife with help from 20 $10K/night hookers |
| 09:57.12 | chouimat | bipolar: hehe |
| 09:57.40 | chouimat | bipolar: did you see the joke on SNL about Bill Gates? |
| 09:57.49 | bipolar | chouimat: nope |
| 09:59.03 | chouimat | bipolar: Bill Gates: ..... I didn't see my wife for 6 months. No she didn't left, she's just in another part of the house |
| 10:00.27 | bipolar | chouimat: heh |
| 10:01.15 | kergoth | AHHHHHHH |
| 10:02.26 | chouimat | everybody AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh |
| 10:02.31 | chouimat | kergoth: ? |
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| 10:05.47 | kergoth | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh |
| 10:07.34 | beattie | kergoth: those tonsils are going to have to come out! |
| 10:08.04 | kergoth | today really sucks |
| 10:08.17 | beattie | how so? |
| 10:09.09 | kergoth | incredibly hectic, we're out a number of people. shitload of work to do, and i'm dealing with fucking employees that are more fucking stupid than our fucking customers |
| 10:10.30 | beattie | does that not describe the vast majority of employees |
| 10:10.59 | kergoth | beattie: point taken |
| 10:11.10 | beattie | most compainies keep the idiots hidden from public view :) |
| 10:11.37 | jmhodges | lol kergoth |
| 10:12.11 | beattie | of course that is frightening, if these are the best they have, iomagine how bad the others ones they have are :) |
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| 10:23.48 | aman | hmm |
| 10:23.55 | aman | later |
| 10:40.25 | kergoth | okay finally subscribed to the affix mailing lists |
| 10:40.33 | kergoth | better subscribe to the bluez ones as well |
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| 10:42.00 | chouimat | kergoth: pocketcellar compiled? |
| 10:42.07 | kergoth | chouimat: not yet, at work |
| 10:42.26 | chouimat | kergoth: ok |
| 10:47.49 | BZFlag | kergoth: restrain the language please? oh and read: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=286 if you think you are having a hard time. |
| 10:47.51 | BZFlag | eep. that was meant to be a private msg. =( |
| 10:48.27 | kergoth | yep, i heard |
| 10:48.34 | kergoth | i'll refrain from asking questions you cant answer :) |
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| 10:54.24 | kergoth | beattie: wb |
| 10:54.26 | chouimat | hi ben |
| 10:54.30 | kergoth | benmeyer: wb |
| 10:54.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 10:54.31 | BZFlag | kergoth: gee thanx. unlinke all the other press calling me. ;-) |
| 10:54.40 | kergoth | BZFlag: hehe, figured |
| 10:54.41 | BZFlag | er unlike. sheesh. |
| 10:54.41 | benmeyer | stupid ksirc |
| 10:55.11 | beattie | wb? |
| 10:55.26 | chouimat | beattie: tab completion |
| 10:55.50 | beattie | chouimat: I'm confused |
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| 11:02.40 | kergoth | beattie: my tab completion completed your nick instead of benmeyer |
| 11:02.42 | kergoth | beattie: :) |
| 11:04.32 | JasonNJ | hey bz. |
| 11:04.40 | JasonNJ | I love press folks dont you? |
| 11:04.41 | JasonNJ | :) |
| 11:05.24 | JasonNJ | interesting that the IBM announcement hasnt hit the major rags yet |
| 11:05.52 | ljp_work | IBM & Linux isnt newsmaker anymore :) |
| 11:08.53 | benmeyer | and try to explain back to me what IBM and Sharp anounced |
| 11:08.54 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 11:09.34 | beattie | IBM is going to paint the Z blue |
| 11:09.48 | beattie | and call it inovative |
| 11:09.55 | Coup | Z Enterprise Edition, Z running same software as that PDA with biometrics fingerprint reader, without the reader |
| 11:10.03 | Coup | :P |
| 11:10.52 | Coup | presumably therefore it may have built in wifi or bluetooth for connectivity? |
| 11:11.11 | beattie | It sounds like just software |
| 11:11.55 | Coup | cant connect to your db2 server without some hardware tho |
| 11:12.24 | billytwowilly | got a link to the ibm announcement? |
| 11:12.39 | benmeyer | http://www.sharpusa.com/about/AboutPressRelease/0,1130,C307,00.html |
| 11:12.41 | benmeyer | I think |
| 11:12.49 | benmeyer | either way I am not fully sure what it means :-D |
| 11:12.57 | benmeyer | so I don't think you could sum it up in a sentance |
| 11:13.06 | benmeyer | and I even sat in a presentation for 4 hours about it |
| 11:13.09 | billytwowilly | hehehehehe, I think??? heh, you had that entire thing in your brain???;) |
| 11:13.21 | benmeyer | lucky for Jason he got to miss it |
| 11:13.36 | benmeyer | yah that is it |
| 11:13.36 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 11:14.14 | billytwowilly | ok, cuz I was starting to worry that you were some sort of magical url remembering freak or something;) |
| 11:15.01 | ljp_work | kergoth: /dev gets created on reboot? |
| 11:15.11 | billytwowilly | "The new Enterprise Edition Zaurus? - Sharp's Linux based PDA that works on a foundation of IBM's software -" |
| 11:15.17 | beattie | maybe they will package sharp's wireless thing, nice and expensivce service |
| 11:15.40 | kergoth | ljp_work: yep. its a ramdisk |
| 11:18.06 | billytwowilly | looks like it's just gonna be a zaurus with some ibm software. |
| 11:18.06 | beattie | no mention of technology in the IBM announcement, so I suspect it will be byo-network |
| 11:18.26 | beattie | that's the way it reads to me |
| 11:32.28 | JasonNJ | beattie: supposed to be a bit more ambitious than that |
| 11:33.36 | Onyx4 | hey |
| 11:33.40 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: you there |
| 11:34.06 | Onyx4 | kergoth: why does libtool (even ours) always try to select /usr/lib as path for linking? |
| 11:34.31 | Onyx4 | I can't get vorbis to use the libogg in our staging dir |
| 11:34.49 | kergoth | Onyx4: huh? |
| 11:35.01 | Onyx4 | do a bk pull and enable libogg libvorbis |
| 11:35.02 | kergoth | Onyx4: it only uses /usr/lib for the runtime link, not the compiletime link |
| 11:35.05 | Onyx4 | then build it you'll see |
| 11:35.07 | kergoth | Onyx4: read libtool. |
| 11:35.10 | kergoth | Onyx4: its a shell script. |
| 11:35.27 | Onyx4 | it says cannot read symbol from /usr/lib/libogg.so |
| 11:35.36 | kergoth | well hell if i know |
| 11:35.38 | kergoth | read the script |
| 11:35.42 | kergoth | i'm at work, doing my job |
| 11:35.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 11:35.45 | Onyx4 | oh ok |
| 11:35.54 | kergoth | mostly anyway ;) |
| 11:35.59 | Onyx4 | just tought you ran into this before |
| 11:36.00 | kergoth | chouimat: got an ipk for you to try |
| 11:36.03 | JasonNJ | man I am tired |
| 11:36.04 | kergoth | Onyx4: nah, i havent |
| 11:36.06 | JasonNJ | I wanna go home |
| 11:36.10 | kergoth | JasonNJ: me too |
| 11:36.30 | JasonNJ | lay down on the couch, crack open my babylon 5 dvds and vegetate |
| 11:36.42 | JasonNJ | with a nice bigass bowl of popcorn and beverage |
| 11:36.48 | JasonNJ | with my phone off the hook |
| 11:36.51 | *** join/#openzaurus ljp_work (~ljp@02-051.026.popsite.net) |
| 11:37.06 | JasonNJ | and send my wife out on a 6 hour shopping trip so she leaves me alone |
| 11:37.24 | chouimat | JasonNJ: nice site: www.biere.com |
| 11:37.55 | JasonNJ | french beer site? |
| 11:38.13 | JasonNJ | I like the choices |
| 11:38.25 | JasonNJ | PARTY | SEXE | FUN | BIERE |
| 11:38.31 | kergoth | hah |
| 11:38.32 | JasonNJ | fucking french have their priorities straight |
| 11:38.34 | chouimat | JasonNJ: go see the gallery under SEXE |
| 11:38.55 | kergoth | chouimat: want this ipk? |
| 11:39.04 | chouimat | kergoth: gcc 3.2? |
| 11:39.05 | JasonNJ | chou: which link |
| 11:39.11 | kergoth | chouimat: yes |
| 11:39.23 | chouimat | kergoth: yes |
| 11:39.33 | chouimat | JasonNJ: click on the waitress |
| 11:39.59 | JasonNJ | oo la la |
| 11:40.56 | chouimat | JasonNJ: problems? |
| 11:41.02 | JasonNJ | I want PARTY | SEX | FUN | BEER to be the options on Zaurus.com |
| 11:41.05 | kergoth | chouimat: got mail |
| 11:41.17 | chouimat | kergoth: not yet |
| 11:41.23 | JasonNJ | I think IBM will appreciate that |
| 11:41.37 | kergoth | chouimat: well, you will :) |
| 11:41.39 | ljp_work | anything in /var that absolutely needs to get backed up? |
| 11:41.46 | kergoth | ljp_work: /var is a ramdisk |
| 11:41.49 | kergoth | ljp_work: its lost on reboot anyway |
| 11:41.51 | chouimat | JasonNJ: we can add a howto: How to use your Zaurus to have sex |
| 11:41.56 | kergoth | ljp_work: which is why i said to only backup things on the root filesystem |
| 11:41.57 | ljp_work | k |
| 11:42.06 | kergoth | ljp_work: you can use a tar flag to make it stay on a single filesystem |
| 11:42.24 | ljp_work | and busybox tar has that? |
| 11:42.28 | kergoth | dunno ;) |
| 11:42.48 | JasonNJ | ah they have a us version |
| 11:42.59 | JasonNJ | those options are PARTY | SEX | MUSIC | FUN |
| 11:43.20 | JasonNJ | wait |
| 11:43.31 | JasonNJ | its BEER | SEX | MUSIC | FUN |
| 11:43.56 | JasonNJ | see, beer is a priority over sex for americans |
| 11:44.03 | JasonNJ | whereas for the french, sex is first |
| 11:44.21 | JasonNJ | sex before ze beer! |
| 11:44.39 | chouimat | JasonNJ: damn mayflower :) |
| 11:44.45 | benmeyer | hmmm no wonder there are so many americans |
| 11:44.45 | benmeyer | haha |
| 11:45.18 | chouimat | benmeyer: I'm trying pocketcellar |
| 11:45.22 | JasonNJ | Name: Krista |
| 11:45.23 | JasonNJ | Occupation: Sniper (Ed. Note: Take this any way you want.) |
| 11:45.23 | JasonNJ | Your personality? |
| 11:45.23 | JasonNJ | Unpredictable and sensitive. I eat street meat. |
| 11:45.23 | JasonNJ | What do you find attractive in a guy? |
| 11:45.24 | JasonNJ | He must be well groomed. |
| 11:45.26 | JasonNJ | A Perfect date? |
| 11:45.28 | JasonNJ | Golfing in Vegas and then dinner and a show. |
| 11:45.30 | JasonNJ | A perfect night out? |
| 11:45.32 | JasonNJ | Hang out at a lounge, then go clubbing. |
| 11:45.34 | JasonNJ | What would you wear? |
| 11:45.36 | JasonNJ | Stilettos, jeans and a tight tank. |
| 11:45.38 | JasonNJ | Anything unusual in your room? |
| 11:45.40 | JasonNJ | Stuffed monkeys -- I love monkeys. |
| 11:45.42 | JasonNJ | Craziest thing you've ever done? |
| 11:45.44 | JasonNJ | I stripped down under a beach shower after a crazy night out. |
| 11:45.46 | JasonNJ | Describe yourself between the sheets: |
| 11:45.48 | JasonNJ | Soft. |
| 11:45.53 | JasonNJ | hah |
| 11:45.55 | kergoth | lol |
| 11:46.00 | JasonNJ | we need to have profiles of Zaurus chicks on our site |
| 11:46.07 | JasonNJ | oh my god |
| 11:46.17 | JasonNJ | we need that on OpenZaurus.org |
| 11:46.18 | kergoth | chouimat: let me know if it works :) |
| 11:46.25 | kergoth | haha |
| 11:46.26 | kergoth | hey larry |
| 11:46.28 | billytwowilly | zaurus chicks?? isn't that an oxymoron?? |
| 11:46.35 | chouimat | kergoth: it's work |
| 11:46.41 | kergoth | chouimat: great |
| 11:46.43 | JasonNJ | Name: kergoth |
| 11:46.44 | kergoth | chouimat: its in the buildroot now |
| 11:46.46 | kergoth | chouimat: :) |
| 11:46.54 | JasonNJ | Occupation: OpenZaurus Maintainer |
| 11:47.01 | billytwowilly | I've never met a hot woman that owned a pda.. yet alone knew how to use it.. |
| 11:47.08 | kergoth | billytwowilly: agreed |
| 11:47.10 | kergoth | JasonNJ: lol |
| 11:47.10 | chouimat | kergoth: I love the Assistant |
| 11:47.21 | JasonNJ | Personality: sarcastic @#@#%@#% |
| 11:47.29 | kergoth | JasonNJ: haha, i was thinking just that |
| 11:47.45 | kergoth | Personality: smartass. |
| 11:47.46 | JasonNJ | what do you find attractive in a guy?: He reads teh @#$%#$%# installation FAQ. |
| 11:48.51 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 11:48.51 | billytwowilly | maybe I'm just unlucky living up here in Canada;) maybe all the hot women with PDA's live in silicon valley or something.. |
| 11:48.51 | chouimat | JasonNJ: occupation: bofh |
| 11:48.52 | JasonNJ | a perfect date: willing partner and wireless access point |
| 11:48.53 | benmeyer | na, more like once then weather is warmer then you suddenly see more of them |
| 11:48.53 | JasonNJ | anything in your room: dead bodies |
| 11:48.53 | kergoth | benmeyer: i hate winter |
| 11:48.54 | kergoth | EditorGarfield: dont |
| 11:48.54 | EditorGarfield | NO, BAD MENTAL IMAGE!!!! |
| 11:48.54 | kergoth | tried to warn you |
| 11:48.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 11:48.58 | JasonNJ | craziest thing you ever done: listened to JasonNJ |
| 11:49.05 | chouimat | EditorGarfield: we call that the fu-fme protocol :P |
| 11:49.06 | benmeyer | was an odd fact at RIT. First day of spring there every girls on campus suddenly had on a spring dress and every guy was like where the f did they all come from |
| 11:49.10 | billytwowilly | EditorGarfield: Just don't hit the wrong link and end up on goatse.cx..... |
| 11:49.18 | EditorGarfield | billytwowilly: yeesh. |
| 11:49.21 | JasonNJ | descrbie yourself between the sheets: fast |
| 11:49.32 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 11:49.32 | billytwowilly | EditorGarfield: you'd be ruined for life;) |
| 11:49.34 | kergoth | lol |
| 11:49.37 | JasonNJ | we have to do these |
| 11:49.42 | JasonNJ | hahahaha |
| 11:49.51 | kergoth | JasonNJ: we were planning on adding a credits page ... |
| 11:49.51 | chouimat | JasonNJ: describe yourself between the sheets: very optimized |
| 11:49.53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hehe |
| 11:49.54 | EditorGarfield | ibot, can you handle doing profiles? |
| 11:49.54 | | i don't know, EditorGarfield |
| 11:49.56 | kergoth | chouimat: hahaha |
| 11:50.23 | JasonNJ | ZAURUS | SEX | FUN | BEER |
| 11:50.34 | benmeyer | very optimized.... |
| 11:50.35 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 11:50.36 | JasonNJ | lol topic change |
| 11:50.37 | chouimat | worst day of your life: when my wang wouldn't boot |
| 11:50.38 | benmeyer | small and fast |
| 11:50.39 | benmeyer | damm |
| 11:51.08 | *** topic/#openzaurus by kergoth -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | ZAURUS | SEX | FUN | BEER |
| 11:51.14 | chouimat | lol |
| 11:51.17 | kergoth | yeah, its friday alright |
| 11:51.18 | kergoth | lol |
| 11:51.54 | coup-afk | ooo konq/e managed to hang my Z, cant even SSH in |
| 11:51.58 | coup-afk | PS sorry for being on topic ;) |
| 11:52.00 | kergoth | coup-afk: fun! |
| 11:52.02 | kergoth | coup-afk: bastard |
| 11:52.04 | benmeyer | yah for running as ROOT |
| 11:52.04 | kergoth | ;) |
| 11:52.37 | dratsab | woot. |
| 11:52.52 | chouimat | JasonNJ: perfect date: a willing partner that would let me install a rootkit |
| 11:52.53 | bastard | i cant call myself bastard :( |
| 11:52.54 | JasonNJ | ideal woman: moist orifices |
| 11:52.59 | bastard | oh, i can |
| 11:53.32 | beattie | JasonNJ: I'm sure IBM (management) thinks and wants us to think it is more, but I'm not convinced, I've seen the way they work :) |
| 11:53.35 | EditorGarfield | "Plus de sexe" Yep, it's a french site. |
| 11:53.36 | billytwowilly | EditorGarfield: heh, I heard about that from my australian exchange student;) up here in Canada we have a clothing brand called "roots". We bought him a roots hat as a going away present and he turned bright red;) |
| 11:53.46 | EditorGarfield | rofl |
| 11:54.05 | EditorGarfield | lol |
| 11:54.10 | dratsab | lol |
| 11:54.24 | chouimat | billytwowilly: you from Canada? |
| 11:54.43 | billytwowilly | chouimat: yep. Edmonton, Alberta specifically, why? |
| 11:55.03 | JasonNJ | freakin canadians |
| 11:55.07 | chouimat | billytwowilly: because I'm from Quebec City and roots clothing sucks |
| 11:55.32 | billytwowilly | chouimat: you didn't vote bloc did you? |
| 11:56.07 | billytwowilly | chouimat: I don't wear roots (I don't wear anything that is visibly branded) We just bought it for him. It was a couple years ago. |
| 11:56.15 | EditorGarfield | Canada's not a country. It's a suburb. :-) |
| 11:56.21 | dratsab | EditorGarfield: lol |
| 11:56.22 | JasonNJ | what the hell is roots |
| 11:56.24 | chouimat | billytwowilly: those ass holes? |
| 11:56.54 | chouimat | JasonNJ: www.roots.ca |
| 11:57.07 | EditorGarfield | I once saw a map of NAFTA. |
| 11:57.21 | EditorGarfield | It had three regions marked, in the locations of Mexico, the US, and Canada. |
| 11:57.28 | beattie | A map of an agreement? |
| 11:57.39 | EditorGarfield | They were labeled, respectively, "Manufacture", "Consumption", "Parking." |
| 11:57.47 | billytwowilly | chouimat: I'm not their biggest fan;) I think that we should let the people that want to seperate in Quebec seperate. However, we won the battle of the plains of Abraham and thus we own the land, so I think we should load all the seperatists onto an iceberg and float em out to sea;) |
| 11:58.09 | EditorGarfield | billytwowilly: I like the way you think... |
| 11:58.16 | chouimat | exactly my way of thinking :) |
| 11:58.22 | Onyx4 | this is the command line that libtool calls, is that fine? |
| 11:58.25 | Onyx4 | /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin/arm-linux-gcc -shared mdct.lo smallft.lo block.lo envelope.lo window.lo lsp.lo lpc.lo analysis.lo synthesis.lo psy.lo info.lo floor1.lo floor0.lo res0.lo mapping0.lo registry.lo codebook.lo sharedbook.lo lookup.lo bitrate.lo -L/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/output/staging/usr/lib -lm /usr/lib/libogg.so -Wl,-soname -Wl,libvorbis.so.0 -o .libs/libvorbis.so.0.2.0 |
| 11:58.31 | Onyx4 | error: /usr/lib/libogg.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 11:58.52 | billytwowilly | EditorGarfield: I'm not America's biggest fan either... I haven't had good experiences with americans. |
| 11:58.54 | dratsab | Onyx4: eh? no, its adding /usr/lib/libogg.so |
| 11:58.58 | dratsab | Onyx4: thats bad |
| 11:59.11 | beattie | I understand Bush has a plan to solve the whole Quebec issue, make it eth 51st state, and Ottawa th e52nd ... |
| 11:59.41 | billytwowilly | EditorGarfield: all the ones I've met on my travels (through HongKong, Thailand, Dominican Republic and Mexico) have been asshats.. |
| 11:59.45 | EditorGarfield | billytwowilly: I've had some bad experiences with Americans, too. Mostly the ones from south of the Mason-Dixon line, or anyone who votes Republican.... |
| 11:59.55 | ljp_work | I thought Canada _was_ the 51st state |
| 12:00.08 | EditorGarfield | ljp: Nah, not enough people. Wyoming has them beat. :-0 |
| 12:00.14 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 12:00.16 | chouimat | beattie: we don't want a cowboy here. we have enough braindead politician here |
| 12:00.20 | dratsab | lol |
| 12:00.38 | Onyx4 | I think the makefile is calling libtool with -rpath $prefix<libdir> |
| 12:00.39 | chouimat | ljp_work: 30 millions last count |
| 12:00.44 | beattie | I wish somebody would take him, maybe the kingdonw of Florida |
| 12:00.56 | billytwowilly | ljp_work: sadly, Canada is on it's way... we have a proportionate number of ignorant people here as they have in the states (meaning about half the population) |
| 12:01.08 | beattie | kingdom |
| 12:01.08 | EditorGarfield | I say we let Texas seceed, maybe they'll take God Emperor Dubyah with them. |
| 12:01.08 | EditorGarfield | They deserve each other. |
| 12:01.08 | billytwowilly | well, ok, it's slightly higher in the states;) |
| 12:01.19 | dratsab | Onyx4: geh, i hate it when they do that |
| 12:01.26 | chouimat | EditorGarfield: God Emperor who? |
| 12:01.32 | EditorGarfield | Dubyah. |
| 12:01.36 | billytwowilly | that's bush's nickname.. |
| 12:01.38 | EditorGarfield | George Dubyah Bush. |
| 12:01.42 | chouimat | EditorGarfield: ok |
| 12:01.45 | billytwowilly | george W bush. |
| 12:02.16 | EditorGarfield | I normally don't try to openly insult presidents, as I feel it is disrepectful to attack them on non-professional grounds, but The Shrub just makes it far tooe asy. |
| 12:02.21 | EditorGarfield | too easy |
| 12:02.23 | Onyx4 | mmm even if I set rpath to be staging_dir/usr/lib it still fails ,same way |
| 12:02.31 | dratsab | Onyx4: its not rpath. |
| 12:02.34 | Onyx4 | dratsab: do you use the buildroot? |
| 12:02.39 | dratsab | Onyx4: its adding '/usr/lib/libogg.so' |
| 12:02.39 | tux_mike | http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/1113.barr.html |
| 12:02.44 | chouimat | EditorGarfield: look what people think of our politician here |
| 12:02.44 | dratsab | Onyx4: /whois is your friend |
| 12:02.48 | Onyx4 | libtool would be the problem? |
| 12:02.51 | billytwowilly | I still think the only good thing that came out of the states is windows 95 (waits for the hissy fit, I'm such a rabble rowser;) |
| 12:02.59 | Onyx4 | ah! |
| 12:03.13 | beattie | I wish windows 95 had left |
| 12:03.14 | dratsab | Onyx4: either the makefile is doing something stupid in its call to libtool, or our libtool is b0rked in some way |
| 12:03.17 | dratsab | Onyx4: or both :) |
| 12:03.40 | Onyx4 | /home/clambert/oz/buildroot/output/staging/bin/libtool --mode=link /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin/arm-linux-gcc -O20 -ffast-math -D_REENTRANT -fsigned-char -I/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/output/staging/usr/include -march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -mapcs-32 -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -DUSE_MEMORY_H -L/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/output/staging/usr/lib -L/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/output/staging/usr/lib -o libvorbis.la -rpa |
| 12:03.40 | Onyx4 | th /home/clambert/oz/buildroot/output/staging/usr/lib -version-info 2:0:2 mdct.lo smallft.lo block.lo envelope.lo window.lo lsp.lo lpc.lo analysis.lo synthesis.lo psy.lo info.lo floor1.lo floor0.lo res0.lo mapping0.lo registry.lo codebook.lo sharedbook.lo lookup.lo bitrate.lo -lm -L/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/output/staging/usr/lib -logg |
| 12:03.40 | billytwowilly | heh.. well that didn't incite the riot I thought it would;) I'm joking anyway. |
| 12:03.44 | Onyx4 | this is the call to libtool |
| 12:04.40 | billytwowilly | hmmm. I gues this chan isn't as ornery about using #flood as #kde is. |
| 12:04.45 | dratsab | Onyx4: so its libtool, for some reason its converting -logg to /usr/lib/libogg.so, which is fucking stupid |
| 12:05.08 | Onyx4 | do you think that STAGING_DIR is passed to the shell script as env variable? |
| 12:05.19 | Onyx4 | # Compile-time system search path for libraries |
| 12:05.20 | Onyx4 | sys_lib_search_path_spec="$STAGING_DIR/usr/lib" |
| 12:05.23 | Onyx4 | that's in libtool |
| 12:05.27 | Onyx4 | but then next line is |
| 12:05.31 | dratsab | Onyx4: anything exported in Vars.make makes it into the environment |
| 12:05.32 | Onyx4 | # Run-time system search path for libraries |
| 12:05.32 | Onyx4 | sys_lib_dlsearch_path_spec="/lib /usr/lib" |
| 12:05.43 | dratsab | Onyx4: try changing the runtime search path |
| 12:05.46 | dratsab | Onyx4: its worth a shot |
| 12:05.57 | Onyx4 | I tried last night, didn't help but I'll try again |
| 12:06.03 | dratsab | hmm |
| 12:06.40 | Onyx4 | nope no luck |
| 12:07.09 | chouimat | hmm need food |
| 12:07.19 | EditorGarfield | food is good |
| 12:08.20 | Onyx4 | maybe we need to change this |
| 12:08.22 | Onyx4 | hardcode_libdir_flag_spec="\${wl}--rpath \${wl}\$libdir" |
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| 12:10.05 | dratsab | Onyx4: haha, why the fuck do they hardcode? |
| 12:10.08 | dratsab | Onyx4: jesus |
| 12:11.50 | billytwowilly | Support bacteria - it's the only culture some people have! |
| 12:14.14 | billytwowilly | any of you into physics out there? |
| 12:14.49 | numatrix | billytwowilly: Just the basics; equal and opposite reactions, if I hit someone big, something big hits me. I watch out for that kind of thing. |
| 12:15.00 | billytwowilly | Heisenberg is driving down the autobahn. A police officer pulls him over. |
| 12:15.01 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.01 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.27 | numatrix | Sorry. Not into it that much. I get it, but... :-) |
| 12:15.37 | coup-laptop | :) |
| 12:16.11 | billytwowilly | I'm readin the comments for the review of science askew on slashdot and that made me laugh;) took me a moment for it to hit me;) |
| 12:16.54 | coup-laptop | right, time for me to walk to the pub and get blisteringly drunk |
| 12:16.57 | coup-laptop | night all ;) |
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| 12:17.19 | aman | Onyx4 yo |
| 12:17.30 | aman | what's new in oz land |
| 12:17.37 | Onyx4 | hey |
| 12:17.46 | Onyx4 | trying to get vorbis to compile |
| 12:17.46 | aman | Onyx4 what's up |
| 12:17.50 | Onyx4 | having problems with libtool |
| 12:17.52 | aman | i saw vorbis and ogg in the buildroot |
| 12:18.06 | aman | Onyx4 is it using the libtool in the staging area? |
| 12:18.11 | Onyx4 | this is gonna be for mplayer |
| 12:18.13 | Onyx4 | yep |
| 12:18.26 | Onyx4 | for some reason it always puts -lm /usr/lib/libogg.so |
| 12:18.26 | aman | ok |
| 12:18.28 | aman | yea |
| 12:18.32 | aman | open it up |
| 12:18.37 | aman | its just a shell script |
| 12:18.41 | aman | and look for /usr/lib |
| 12:18.51 | aman | you'll find like three paths where it looks for libs |
| 12:18.57 | aman | change those so they're the staging paths |
| 12:18.59 | Onyx4 | I did, we replaced it with $STAGING_DIR/blah |
| 12:19.12 | Onyx4 | still doesn't use it |
| 12:19.14 | aman | hmm, ok then make sure you're passing that variable.. |
| 12:19.22 | aman | try hardcoding it and see if that works |
| 12:19.28 | aman | sometimes stuff doesn't pass properly |
| 12:19.44 | aman | if hardcoding doesn't work then its something else causing the problem |
| 12:20.44 | Onyx4 | nope still same problem |
| 12:21.25 | aman | then its something else |
| 12:21.26 | aman | hmm |
| 12:21.39 | aman | btw, did you get mplayer playing movies fast on your Z or not./ |
| 12:22.03 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 12:22.16 | Onyx4 | with the new changes I did to the makefile it works fine |
| 12:22.30 | Onyx4 | just bk pull before doing more changes |
| 12:22.35 | aman | what'd you change?? |
| 12:22.40 | Onyx4 | a lot of --disable-this and that |
| 12:22.45 | aman | ah |
| 12:22.45 | aman | nice |
| 12:22.48 | aman | so it works good now/ |
| 12:22.50 | aman | that's awesome |
| 12:22.53 | Onyx4 | because it was enabling a lot of stuff that it was finding on the desktop |
| 12:22.58 | aman | w00t |
| 12:23.01 | Onyx4 | and I added optimizations |
| 12:23.03 | aman | yea, gotcha |
| 12:23.07 | aman | nice |
| 12:23.10 | aman | i'll check out the makefile |
| 12:23.15 | Onyx4 | now it works fine with libmad only and sdl audio |
| 12:23.26 | Onyx4 | we still need to change the codecs file |
| 12:23.29 | Onyx4 | haven't done that |
| 12:24.42 | aman | ok |
| 12:24.49 | aman | and input needs to be added right? |
| 12:24.57 | aman | and it needs to depend on sdl and libmad |
| 12:25.03 | Onyx4 | oh probably, altough that's maybe not needed |
| 12:25.09 | Onyx4 | i already set depends correctly |
| 12:25.12 | aman | ok |
| 12:25.17 | aman | both in config and in the makefile right? |
| 12:25.18 | Onyx4 | also depends on ogg and libvorbis too |
| 12:25.23 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 12:25.24 | aman | ok |
| 12:25.33 | aman | great |
| 12:25.37 | Onyx4 | all I need is freaking build libvorbis |
| 12:25.42 | aman | heh |
| 12:26.01 | Onyx4 | I tried the new libtool 1.4.3 but doesn't compile |
| 12:26.13 | Onyx4 | I upped the debian rev to -7 , no changes |
| 12:26.44 | aman | ok, find all instances of /usr/lib in libtool |
| 12:27.01 | aman | and/or the makefiles of libvorbis |
| 12:27.09 | aman | are you using libvorbis from debian? |
| 12:27.32 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 12:27.35 | Onyx4 | all from deb |
| 12:28.51 | aman | you narrowed it down to libtool? you're sure that's where the problem is? |
| 12:29.19 | Onyx4 | pretty much yeah |
| 12:29.29 | Onyx4 | im trying to play with the flags you can toggle |
| 12:31.11 | Onyx4 | do we set LD_LIBRARY_PATH in our buildroot? |
| 12:31.16 | Onyx4 | cause libtool can use that instead |
| 12:32.05 | aman | i don't think we do. you could set it in the makefile and it would be set for that compile i think |
| 12:32.12 | kergoth`food | Onyx4: eh? |
| 12:32.18 | kergoth`food | Onyx4: LD_LIBRARY_PATH is a *RUNTIME* link path |
| 12:32.21 | Onyx4 | well in libtool there's this |
| 12:32.24 | kergoth`food | Onyx4: it doesnt affect compilation -at all- |
| 12:32.28 | Onyx4 | # This is the shared library path variable. |
| 12:32.28 | Onyx4 | shlibpath_var=LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 12:32.28 | Onyx4 | # Is shlibpath searched before the hard-coded library search path? |
| 12:32.28 | Onyx4 | shlibpath_overrides_runpath=yes |
| 12:32.46 | Onyx4 | so this would cause libtool to search only what we define |
| 12:32.51 | kergoth`food | define 'search' |
| 12:33.00 | kergoth`food | theres a big difference between runtime and compiletime linking. |
| 12:33.07 | MSpin | heya kergoth |
| 12:33.10 | kergoth | hey MSpin |
| 12:33.30 | Onyx4 | I tried setting it, still no good |
| 12:33.49 | MSpin | kergoth: yeah, argv[0] when the kernel executes whatever is listed for init is hardcoded to init |
| 12:34.01 | kergoth | MSpin: thats amusing. and stupid. |
| 12:34.22 | MSpin | kergoth: yeah, I made a quick patch there, heh |
| 12:34.37 | MSpin | I wonder if there was a reason |
| 12:34.50 | kergoth | search the lkml archives |
| 12:35.00 | MSpin | yeah, I was gonna do that |
| 12:35.12 | MSpin | I also learned that you can pass args to init |
| 12:38.37 | aman | Onyx4 make it hardcoded |
| 12:38.50 | aman | i noticed some weird stuff with passing variables into scripts from the buildroot last night |
| 12:39.24 | Rince | kergoth: is libmad and/or libmpegplugin in the feedlist of OZ3? I can not find it there... |
| 12:39.24 | aman | i like the new menus and setup with lkc |
| 12:39.33 | kergoth | Rince: yes. |
| 12:39.36 | Rince | strange |
| 12:39.37 | kergoth | Rince: opie-libmadplugin |
| 12:39.38 | aman | the sorting of applications into categories and the comments if dependencies ar missing |
| 12:39.39 | aman | very nice |
| 12:39.40 | kergoth | Rince: opie-libmpegplugin |
| 12:39.47 | Rince | *gna* |
| 12:39.48 | kergoth | aman: schurig did that |
| 12:39.51 | aman | cool |
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| 12:41.32 | noda | Moo! |
| 12:41.55 | Rince | ah, there it is... |
| 12:43.20 | beattie | From a report on IBM's zaurus effort ""IBM made a fundamental business change. We decided IBM's core business is not producing the physical device but providing the middleware and services that customers want to get access to applications, that is the core business," said Letina Connelly, director of Solutions for IBM, in Armonk, N.Y." |
| 12:51.20 | Rince | now it works *happyhappyjoyjoy* |
| 12:51.56 | Rince | is there a way to instal packagtes _as default_ not in root (because this is nearly everytime full) but in eg mtdram? |
| 12:54.11 | kergoth | Rince: ram is just that. ram. |
| 12:54.20 | kergoth | Rince: it gets wiped when you flash |
| 12:54.28 | kergoth | Rince: theres no way to put default information in there |
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| 12:54.49 | Rince | kergoth: not information. The programs. |
| 12:54.59 | kergoth | um |
| 12:55.04 | kergoth | data is data. |
| 12:55.14 | kergoth | regardless of its use |
| 12:55.18 | Rince | I don't care wether I have to reinsall the progrms :-) |
| 12:55.23 | kergoth | Rince: eh? |
| 12:55.27 | Rince | but / gets full while /mnt/ram has enough space :-) |
| 12:55.29 | kergoth | Rince: listen, we cannot provide default contents of ram. |
| 12:55.31 | kergoth | Rince: period. |
| 12:55.36 | kergoth | Rince: technical limitation |
| 12:55.58 | kergoth | Rince: / gets full? install apps to ram then |
| 12:55.58 | Rince | kergoth: *sigh* I know. I usually want the impossible :-) |
| 12:56.01 | kergoth | i dont see the problem |
| 12:56.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 12:56.55 | Rince | kergoth: that's what I _want_. But if I forget the -d mtdram or to swithc the flag in the GUI, it gets installed in / and I can not say "sorry, mistake, move i in mtdram" |
| 12:57.30 | noda | Rince: That's a bug :) |
| 12:57.32 | kergoth | Rince: hm, theres no way to change the default destination in aqpkg? |
| 12:57.39 | kergoth | Rince: yeah the change destination thing is a ipkg bug |
| 12:57.43 | Rince | at least I haven't seen this |
| 12:57.59 | kergoth | Rince: you should open a feature request to be able to select the default destination in aqpkg. |
| 12:58.03 | kergoth | Rince: http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 12:59.35 | Rince | thx :-) |
| 12:59.42 | kergoth | np |
| 13:00.06 | Rince | *gna* and another account... |
| 13:02.48 | noda | Okay, I just thought of a great framework for options in pages :) |
| 13:04.06 | Rince | bug opened |
| 13:07.26 | aman | noda lucky you |
| 13:10.18 | *** part/#openzaurus guised (guised@S64-216.DATANET.NYU.EDU) |
| 13:14.42 | noda | wtf... something's seriously wrong with my SD card. |
| 13:14.49 | noda | or with vfat or something. |
| 13:15.56 | noda | I tried scp-ing some files and when I did an 'ls' where were a bunch of question marks as directory listings... i.e., the directory "?????*\?.???" and "??w *??.??*" |
| 13:17.00 | Rince | nopda: sounds like what my SD-Card nearly everytime does... Input/output-error... |
| 13:17.09 | noda | Rince: What filesystem? |
| 13:17.19 | Rince | ext2 |
| 13:17.26 | noda | Hrm, I never had it happen with ext2. |
| 13:17.38 | Rince | this is my second SD-Card with errors :-( |
| 13:25.07 | noda | AARGH! I can't unmount this card! :( |
| 13:26.42 | noda | Rince: When this happens to you, what do you do? |
| 13:28.36 | Rince | noda: umount as long as it needs, fsck |
| 13:28.45 | Rince | and then a lot of stuff is gone :-( |
| 13:28.47 | noda | Rince: How long does it take to umount? |
| 13:28.57 | Rince | noda: I do it via konsole |
| 13:29.01 | Rince | umount /mnt/card |
| 13:29.07 | noda | Rince: I'm trying, it says device or resource busy |
| 13:29.15 | kergoth | noda: something is using the card |
| 13:29.19 | kergoth | noda: or you're cd'd into /mnt/card |
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| 13:29.33 | noda | kergoth: Well, I tried doing an 'ls' and had to ctrl-C out of it because it took forever. |
| 13:29.41 | Rince | noda: try "fuser /mnt/card" |
| 13:29.53 | kergoth | gotta love fuser |
| 13:29.58 | Rince | of course :-) |
| 13:30.27 | noda | No process references. |
| 13:30.29 | noda | And I can't umount. |
| 13:30.34 | noda | df |
| 13:30.39 | noda | erm. |
| 13:31.33 | noda | When I do 'ls /mnt/card' I get lots of messages like this: ls: /mnt/card/???à ?ás?.?^º: Value too large for defined data type |
| 13:31.46 | Rince | don't do an ls |
| 13:31.59 | noda | I'm not doing it now :) |
| 13:32.21 | chouimat | hehe just found a site that sells gaming console development hardware |
| 13:32.39 | noda | Any ideas? |
| 13:32.40 | kergoth | chouimat: nice |
| 13:32.46 | kergoth | noda: pull out the card? |
| 13:32.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 13:32.49 | chouimat | kergoth: in canada |
| 13:32.59 | noda | kergoth: I've done that. When I put it back in the same thing happens. |
| 13:33.03 | kergoth | hah |
| 13:33.07 | kergoth | filesystem corruption |
| 13:33.09 | kergoth | fsck.vfat it |
| 13:33.09 | noda | Not only that, but opie's frozen. Oh, maybe opie's using it. |
| 13:33.14 | kergoth | or that |
| 13:33.18 | noda | kergoth: I acn't fsck it, it's mounted :) |
| 13:33.22 | kergoth | and? |
| 13:33.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 13:33.25 | kergoth | edit |
| 13:33.28 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.31 | kergoth | set MOUNT=n |
| 13:33.35 | kergoth | then it wont mount on insertion |
| 13:33.38 | noda | Oh, fun :) |
| 13:33.38 | kergoth | then you can fsck it |
| 13:33.59 | kergoth | one thing about creating a distribution, you finally know what all the various packages in your desktop distro are for |
| 13:34.06 | noda | rofl |
| 13:34.09 | kergoth | i remember the first time i installed linux. wondering wtf all this was |
| 13:34.13 | kergoth | as it copied files |
| 13:34.14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 13:35.36 | noda | Heh :) |
| 13:35.38 | noda | Me too :) |
| 13:36.20 | kergoth | :) |
| 13:36.39 | DaJoker | mmm.. afterstep |
| 13:36.50 | noda | Oh, another thing - when I reboot, opie doesn't come up. I have to switch the switch at the back and then boot again. |
| 13:36.53 | kergoth | windowmaker was spiffy too |
| 13:36.58 | noda | This is with the b0rked sd card. |
| 13:37.05 | DaJoker | heh.. I remembre when WM was "new" |
| 13:37.09 | kergoth | me oto |
| 13:37.20 | kergoth | good stuff, that |
| 13:37.23 | DaJoker | yup |
| 13:37.31 | kergoth | no fancy gui config tools for the old window managers |
| 13:37.35 | kergoth | you edited a config file goddamnit |
| 13:37.36 | kergoth | !@#% |
| 13:37.38 | kergoth | heheh |
| 13:37.40 | DaJoker | yup |
| 13:37.57 | noda | kergoth: lol, I still edit config files :) |
| 13:38.05 | kergoth | oh man, remember the first time you saw screenshots of enlightenment? |
| 13:38.14 | DaJoker | hehe.. yeah.. |
| 13:38.15 | kergoth | that was like .. breaking boundries |
| 13:38.26 | kergoth | building it was a fucking nightmare |
| 13:38.28 | DaJoker | or even rxvt that raster had hacked.. with backgrounds |
| 13:38.30 | kergoth | rmeember all the libs it required? |
| 13:38.31 | kergoth | jesus |
| 13:38.41 | kergoth | jumping through hoops satisfying dependencies |
| 13:39.13 | DaJoker | course I was using linux when debian was "new" as well.. |
| 13:39.18 | DaJoker | that goes way way back :) |
| 13:39.35 | kergoth | i first installed it in late 94, iirc |
| 13:39.42 | DaJoker | 93 for me.. |
| 13:39.49 | noda | Okay, this is getting very annoying... even when DO_MOUNT="n" in /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts, opie still won't start with the SD card inserted, and as soon as I put in the SD card it'll crash. |
| 13:39.50 | DaJoker | kernel 0.99.7 |
| 13:39.50 | prpplague | 97 for me |
| 13:40.34 | kergoth | noda: oh, this is sd, i'm dence |
| 13:40.40 | kergoth | noda: its sdcontrol, not ide, that mounts |
| 13:40.48 | noda | Okay :) |
| 13:41.00 | kergoth | er dense too |
| 13:41.38 | noda | What's the cleanest way to disable mounting in this file? :) |
| 13:41.41 | kergoth | no idea |
| 13:41.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 13:41.42 | noda | /etc/sdcontrol that is |
| 13:41.48 | noda | lol, delete the frickin' thing or something :) |
| 13:41.49 | kergoth | lineo scripts, you expect cleanliness? |
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| 13:42.47 | noda | AARGH! I commented out the mounting of the device in /etc/sdcontrol. But it's still crashing opie. |
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| 13:43.06 | noda | It's still mounting it too, dammit |
| 13:44.01 | kergoth | haha |
| 13:44.05 | noda | Oh, that's because it's in that script TWICE :) |
| 13:44.07 | ciao_linux | noda: i didn't understand what you are trying to do? you want to automatically mount sd card when you switch on the Z? |
| 13:44.15 | ciao_linux | noda: or viceversa? |
| 13:44.23 | kergoth | ciao_linux: he wants to disable automount on insert |
| 13:44.25 | noda | ciao_linux: I want to not mount it. It's corrupt and I need to format it, but if I mount it it crashes opie. |
| 13:44.33 | noda | And it won't unmount. |
| 13:44.39 | ciao_linux | kergoth: i would like to do the opposite |
| 13:44.43 | kergoth | ciao_linux: ? |
| 13:44.52 | kergoth | it does automount on insert by default |
| 13:45.00 | ciao_linux | kergoth: well in my case, if i switch on the Z, it can't see the Z |
| 13:45.03 | ciao_linux | sorry the SD |
| 13:45.13 | ciao_linux | in my case, it is like it doesn't exists |
| 13:45.28 | noda | Man, and I gotta leave in 15 minutes... |
| 13:45.28 | ciao_linux | the only way to make it see that, it is to eject and replug in it |
| 13:46.04 | ciao_linux | kergoth: do you have any idea about that? |
| 13:46.59 | noda | Ahhhhhhhh, did a mkfs on it :) |
| 13:47.51 | noda | Ahhhhhhhh, and apparently it's copying files properly this time :) |
| 13:48.23 | noda | Thanks kergoth :) |
| 13:48.26 | kergoth | haha |
| 13:48.26 | kergoth | np |
| 13:48.42 | kergoth | ciao_linux: hm, so its only the initial boot that cant see the card? |
| 13:49.08 | ciao_linux | no... anytime i switch on |
| 13:49.19 | kergoth | ? |
| 13:49.23 | kergoth | 'switch on' |
| 13:49.25 | kergoth | resume? |
| 13:49.29 | ciao_linux | right |
| 13:49.33 | kergoth | the cancel button doesnt actually turn it on :) |
| 13:49.36 | kergoth | okay, odd |
| 13:49.42 | kergoth | the sdmgr daemon manages all of that |
| 13:49.46 | kergoth | same as in sharp |
| 13:49.46 | kergoth | hmm |
| 13:49.58 | ciao_linux | yes, also in sharp the same problem... |
| 13:49.59 | kergoth | hey mickeyl |
| 13:50.01 | kergoth | ciao_linux: hmm |
| 13:50.09 | ciao_linux | but anyway maybe it is my sd card that is lousy |
| 13:50.11 | kergoth | ciao_linux: check 'logread' command |
| 13:50.15 | noda | mmmmmmmm, LOTR on Z :) |
| 13:50.18 | kergoth | ciao_linux: see if there are any messages related to it |
| 13:50.28 | ciao_linux | kergoth: ok |
| 13:50.31 | kergoth | AHHH |
| 13:50.34 | noda | Ooh, very smooth too! :) |
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| 13:51.52 | kergoth | whew, just did a full rebuild of openzaurus from the buildroot, from scratch, fixd a couple bugs |
| 13:52.06 | ciao_linux | kergoth: hmm... at the moment i don't have the sd card... i would do it later |
| 13:52.09 | noda | 3.2 or 2.95.3? :) |
| 13:52.23 | kergoth | noda: 2.95.3, my 3.2 is fully built as well |
| 13:52.30 | kergoth | noda: periodically i like to wipe it and build from the ground up |
| 13:52.34 | kergoth | noda: to catch any new bugs introduced |
| 13:52.41 | noda | Yeah, good idea |
| 13:52.45 | beattie | kergoth: is there a way to force the build of a package that is on "configured" in .config |
| 13:53.01 | kergoth | beattie: make SUBDIRS=packages/blah; |
| 13:53.27 | beattie | kergoth: says Nothing to be done for `package' |
| 13:53.34 | kergoth | ? |
| 13:53.36 | kergoth | then its built |
| 13:53.38 | kergoth | what are you trying to do? |
| 13:53.40 | kergoth | rebuild it again? |
| 13:53.51 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/blah clean; make SUBDIRS=packages/blah; |
| 13:54.04 | ciao_linux | tonight i am going to format my cf card as ext2 (from vfat): any discouragement in doing that? |
| 13:54.07 | beattie | wanted to see what source was created for kernel-2.4.19 |
| 13:54.53 | kergoth | hmm |
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| 13:58.04 | Mr||ugh | I tried to use a ext2 formated SD this week, it mostly failed. This needs fixing. Sadly vfat works. |
| 13:58.24 | Onyx4 | Mr||ugh: dont use fdisk, just do mkfs.ext2 /dev/<device> |
| 13:58.42 | ciao_linux | Onyx4: are you using ext2 for your cf card? |
| 13:58.45 | Onyx4 | SD cards don't support very well do have their partition table altered |
| 13:58.54 | Onyx4 | SD yes, CF no |
| 13:59.09 | ciao_linux | Onyx4: vfat on cf? |
| 13:59.13 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 13:59.25 | ciao_linux | Onyx4: is it because ext2 on cf is too slow/ |
| 13:59.25 | Onyx4 | all I put on CF are movies and stuff, if there are no symlinks, no point in having ext2 |
| 13:59.34 | kergoth | Mr||ugh: "it mostly failed" tells me nothing |
| 13:59.56 | ciao_linux | Onyx4: all the software is on sd? |
| 14:00.04 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 14:00.06 | Onyx4 | SD and ROM |
| 14:00.09 | Mr||ugh | Intereresting Onyx4. I will try. |
| 14:00.26 | Onyx4 | Mr||ugh: but a lot of people have messed up their card by running fdisk on it |
| 14:00.33 | Onyx4 | Mr||ugh: so I hope it's reversible |
| 14:00.39 | BrianR | I want that new crazy clamshell Z... |
| 14:00.49 | Onyx4 | any idea of the price in US dollars? |
| 14:00.58 | billytwowilly | crazy clamshell Z? |
| 14:01.02 | Onyx4 | y |
| 14:01.12 | BrianR | billytwowilly: The new zaurus model... It's clamshell shaped.. |
| 14:01.45 | billytwowilly | you mean the one they are releasing in japan only, or the sl-5600?? |
| 14:01.51 | billytwowilly | link? |
| 14:01.56 | Onyx4 | the one in japan |
| 14:02.04 | Onyx4 | the C700 or something like that |
| 14:02.26 | billytwowilly | yah, that's it I think. Interesting concept. |
| 14:02.28 | BrianR | The Zaurus C700 |
| 14:02.28 | BrianR | http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/n/2593.html |
| 14:03.04 | billytwowilly | are the dimensions in the story? |
| 14:03.15 | kergoth | billytwowilly: why dont you read it and find out? |
| 14:03.22 | BrianR | I have mixed feelings about the SL-5600... |
| 14:03.29 | kergoth | how so? |
| 14:03.44 | billytwowilly | I already read it when I was looking for a keyboard;) I'm asking because I can't remember... seems like a waste to read once more.. |
| 14:04.05 | kergoth | billytwowilly: its a waste to look for yourself? wow. and i thought i was lazy |
| 14:04.31 | billytwowilly | heh, well you thought wrong;) I AM THE KING OF LAZY!!! muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! *hiccup*.... |
| 14:04.58 | billytwowilly | hehehehe. I wish. I have to work in three hours;) |
| 14:05.19 | billytwowilly | stupid work.... |
| 14:05.44 | kergoth | what the hell |
| 14:05.50 | kergoth | if i run this command from my perl script, it fails |
| 14:05.53 | kergoth | if i run it in my shell directly |
| 14:05.55 | kergoth | it worksf ine |
| 14:05.57 | kergoth | wtf/ |
| 14:06.25 | billytwowilly | silly sharp.. gave the c700 a smaller battery. |
| 14:06.53 | ibz | kergoth: character escaping? |
| 14:07.15 | kergoth | ibz: doubtful, i print the command, system() it, then exit |
| 14:07.18 | kergoth | ibz: it fails |
| 14:07.27 | kergoth | ibz: i copy the cmd it printed, and paste it, and it runs |
| 14:07.29 | kergoth | fucked up |
| 14:07.41 | kergoth | some odd env var possibly? hm |
| 14:07.48 | ibz | can't you use backticks instead? |
| 14:07.55 | kergoth | yeah, dont see why system would fail though |
| 14:08.00 | kergoth | s |
| 14:08.31 | kergoth | nope, same thing |
| 14:08.32 | kergoth | hmm |
| 14:10.16 | billytwowilly | hurray! oral sex is no longer considered adultry in thailand! |
| 14:11.28 | kergoth | hah |
| 14:11.51 | beattie | now I can sleep at night, knowing I am not an adulter in thailand :) |
| 14:11.53 | EditorGarfield | I'm sure Bill Clinton will be pleased to hear that. |
| 14:11.56 | billytwowilly | so all it costs is a couple thousand bucks for a plane ticket and it isn't cheating;) |
| 14:12.17 | ciao_linux | bon voyage |
| 14:12.25 | billytwowilly | hehehehe. |
| 14:12.43 | billytwowilly | I've been to thailand once. Nice place to visit, I wouldn't want to live there.. |
| 14:12.48 | ciao_linux | does anyone know what happened to www.lirc.org |
| 14:13.20 | billytwowilly | internal server error is what I get over here... |
| 14:13.35 | ciao_linux | yes.. me too... |
| 14:13.35 | billytwowilly | 500. that's server overloaded isn't it? |
| 14:13.58 | kergoth | internal server error can be a number of things |
| 14:14.50 | billytwowilly | the error number is 500. Is that just internal server error? I thought it was server overloaded. |
| 14:16.11 | ibz | kergoth: are you using the c-shell? |
| 14:16.19 | kergoth | ibz: i found the problem |
| 14:16.21 | kergoth | ibz: amusing bug |
| 14:16.38 | kergoth | whatever you do, dont try using bk export from a remote bk repository while you're inside of a bk repository locally |
| 14:16.48 | kergoth | it exports the local repos, not the remote |
| 14:16.50 | kergoth | :) |
| 14:18.02 | ibz | hmmn, so you ran the command in the shell outside of a bk repository but not so for the perl script... |
| 14:18.19 | kergoth | yep |
| 14:18.21 | kergoth | so just cheated |
| 14:18.28 | kergoth | made the perl script cd /tmp; then do the export |
| 14:18.28 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 14:18.59 | kergoth | hey bobstay, any luck? |
| 14:19.04 | bobstay | konbanwa |
| 14:19.09 | bobstay | kergoth: possibly |
| 14:19.29 | bobstay | post on zauruszone about setting pppd's reply-timeout-thingy higher |
| 14:20.13 | kergoth | GAH |
| 14:20.17 | kergoth | ibz: nevermind, still fails |
| 14:20.20 | kergoth | ibz: weird |
| 14:21.22 | kergoth | scan[ibook]: ping |
| 14:21.39 | scan[ibook] | kergoth: poing |
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| 14:21.59 | kergoth | scan[ibook]: what was the bk export command you're using in the cronjob to make the buildroot snapshots again? |
| 14:22.30 | billytwowilly | hey, is there any internet telephony software available for the zaurus? I don't see any on kilefilz.de |
| 14:23.14 | scan[ibook] | bk export http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-exported |
| 14:23.37 | scan[ibook] | I can put the shell script I'm using up somewhere public if you want |
| 14:24.54 | kergoth | AHAHA |
| 14:24.59 | kergoth | bk export cant follow symlinks |
| 14:25.08 | kergoth | on the 2nd cmdline opt |
| 14:25.13 | kergoth | scan[ibook]: thanks |
| 14:25.22 | scan[ibook] | no problem. need me to change something? |
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| 14:25.58 | kergoth | scan[ibook]: nope, its fine |
| 14:26.39 | scan[ibook] | k |
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| 14:28.59 | bobstay-z | aha |
| 14:29.15 | bobstay-z | something is working! |
| 14:29.34 | badalex | i could use qtopia with oz right? |
| 14:29.40 | badalex | in theroy |
| 14:29.52 | kergoth | bobstay: sweet |
| 14:29.53 | bobstay-z | whee! |
| 14:29.55 | kergoth | badalex: theoretically yes |
| 14:30.00 | kergoth | bobstay: the ppp timeout stuff? |
| 14:30.00 | TheMasterMind1 | yo |
| 14:30.04 | TheMasterMind1 | scan[ibook]: sup |
| 14:30.09 | scan[ibook] | hi TheMasterMind1 |
| 14:30.18 | badalex | kergoth: lol ok |
| 14:30.22 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: anything new? |
| 14:30.22 | bobstay-z | kergoth: seemingly |
| 14:30.36 | badalex | well i guess i just stick with crashin n thrasin opie for now... |
| 14:30.55 | kergoth | bobstay-z: aha check this |
| 14:31.00 | kergoth | bobstay-z: bruce perens emailed me |
| 14:31.09 | kergoth | bobstay-z: about the affix stuff with his |
| 14:31.11 | kergoth | "There's one clear driver complaint, about a |
| 14:31.12 | kergoth | timeout set wrong, and the driver seems to hang the system at times. |
| 14:31.13 | kergoth | " |
| 14:31.19 | kergoth | wrong timeout.. hmm.. |
| 14:31.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:31.43 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 14:31.59 | TheMasterMind1 | you guys hear about mplayer? |
| 14:32.01 | bobstay | kergoth: but does he mean ppp timeout, or some other timeout? |
| 14:32.10 | TheMasterMind1 | onyx made it work really well |
| 14:32.27 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: did you see an improvement with my new changes? |
| 14:32.53 | TheMasterMind1 | havent tried yet |
| 14:32.57 | Onyx4 | ah |
| 14:32.58 | Onyx4 | try it :) |
| 14:32.59 | TheMasterMind1 | ':) |
| 14:33.29 | TheMasterMind1 | any luck with vorbis? |
| 14:33.32 | Onyx4 | nope |
| 14:33.34 | Onyx4 | I gave up |
| 14:33.37 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 14:33.44 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll give it a try |
| 14:33.46 | Onyx4 | maybe someone will know, i'm not too good at libtool |
| 14:33.57 | TheMasterMind1 | what about sdl video? |
| 14:34.04 | Onyx4 | i don't think that's needed |
| 14:34.10 | Onyx4 | but it would gain us the refresh problem |
| 14:34.14 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 14:34.15 | Onyx4 | but I don't think we'd gain spain |
| 14:34.22 | Onyx4 | spain=speed |
| 14:34.26 | TheMasterMind1 | speed would probably stay the same |
| 14:34.39 | Onyx4 | otherwise we can always use the mplayer-refresh program |
| 14:34.39 | TheMasterMind1 | with sdl i think we could have it embedded or something |
| 14:34.49 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, mplayer-refresh a pain though |
| 14:34.52 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 14:34.56 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't know much about sdl though |
| 14:35.04 | TheMasterMind1 | no clue whats not working about it |
| 14:35.12 | TheMasterMind1 | is -ao sdl faster than -ao oss? |
| 14:35.24 | billytwowilly | kergoth: does hancom office work with openzaurus? on the openzaurus webpage it says no, but I was reading elsewhere that it does (wish I still had the url) |
| 14:35.28 | Onyx4 | I know that SDL has multiple video plugins, so when you call sdl, you have to tell it to use qt video, and mplayer is probably looking for just x11 or xv not qtopia |
| 14:35.42 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: ah, makes sense |
| 14:35.54 | TheMasterMind1 | cool, pad image options |
| 14:36.12 | Onyx4 | so we maybe just need to find in the mplayer code where they chose the SDL video |
| 14:36.17 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 14:36.19 | TheMasterMind1 | vo_sdl |
| 14:36.28 | Onyx4 | I thought it was also possible to pass an argument like -vo SDL:qtopia |
| 14:36.30 | Onyx4 | or something like that |
| 14:36.41 | billytwowilly | hey, Can I mount my hard drives on my linux box on the zaurus? |
| 14:36.45 | Onyx4 | but we'd have to find out what's the name of the plugin |
| 14:36.51 | badalex | billytwowilly: of course |
| 14:37.16 | billytwowilly | sweet... |
| 14:37.29 | badalex | nfs, samba whatever you want to use... |
| 14:37.36 | badalex | right now im using nfs |
| 14:37.39 | billytwowilly | the zaurus is looking better and better all the time.. even without a real keyboard. |
| 14:37.58 | billytwowilly | do you still have to get out of qtopia to run mplayer properly? |
| 14:38.11 | badalex | thats what TheMasterMind1 and Onyx4 are disscusing |
| 14:38.12 | TheMasterMind1 | not necessarily |
| 14:38.15 | TheMasterMind1 | we're working on that |
| 14:38.29 | bobstay | heh, now all we need is a gui :) |
| 14:38.32 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 14:38.39 | TheMasterMind1 | i need someone to write a frontend |
| 14:38.42 | TheMasterMind1 | that calls the mplayer binary |
| 14:38.49 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie was going to do it |
| 14:38.51 | bobstay | have you seen the Macos X frontends for mplayer |
| 14:38.53 | TheMasterMind1 | but something came up |
| 14:38.56 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 14:38.56 | bobstay | something like that might be good |
| 14:38.56 | billytwowilly | yah, a gui would be nice... I wish I could code... |
| 14:39.11 | bobstay | also, doesn't mplayer let you send commands to it via some sort of socket? |
| 14:39.16 | bobstay | can that be used with the gui? |
| 14:39.20 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm really? |
| 14:39.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i wasn't aware of any such thing |
| 14:39.32 | TheMasterMind1 | that would be really nice |
| 14:39.36 | TheMasterMind1 | simply things a lot |
| 14:39.46 | billytwowilly | being able to play my massive divx collection on a pda would be too cool;) |
| 14:39.59 | bobstay | billytwowilly: you'll have to re-encode them. |
| 14:40.07 | billytwowilly | re-encode? |
| 14:40.11 | bobstay | billytwowilly: and opieplayer2 and tkcVideo also work |
| 14:40.23 | bobstay | billytwowilly: you don't think the Z is going to cope with 640x480 video do you? |
| 14:40.30 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 14:40.40 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer is far superior to op2 and tkcvideo :) |
| 14:40.40 | billytwowilly | heh, most of them aren't at 640x480. |
| 14:40.40 | bobstay | it'll be shit-slow until you encode them down to 320x240 and a small enough bitrate |
| 14:40.41 | badalex | ibot mencoder |
| 14:40.41 | | i heard mencoder is an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ or use this simple script to convert ibot's movies http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
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| 14:41.05 | badalex | that piece of work was done by Onyx4 the zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 14:41.06 | billytwowilly | bobstay: how about with the 5600? twice the processing power. |
| 14:41.25 | TheMasterMind1 | twice? |
| 14:41.30 | bobstay | billytwowilly: not according to some reports |
| 14:41.32 | Onyx4 | ibot: mplayer is also see http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/encoding.html |
| 14:41.32 | | okay, Onyx4 |
| 14:41.35 | TheMasterMind1 | the intel chip is crap |
| 14:41.36 | billytwowilly | 400 Mhz right? |
| 14:41.45 | TheMasterMind1 | xscale is a really buggy and shitty chip |
| 14:41.46 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 14:41.47 | Onyx4 | ibot: mencoder is also see http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/encoding.html |
| 14:41.47 | | Onyx4: okay |
| 14:41.54 | billytwowilly | 206 is what's in the 5500 right? |
| 14:42.03 | TheMasterMind1 | yes... |
| 14:42.08 | bobstay | but ARM> |
| 14:42.11 | bobstay | and so different. |
| 14:42.18 | TheMasterMind1 | but the 206 in the 5500 is faster in many cases than the 400mhz xscale |
| 14:42.22 | benmeyer | 5600 has the 400Mhz version of the XScale |
| 14:42.25 | Onyx4 | basically that guy took my scripts and extended them to a new level |
| 14:42.30 | Onyx4 | to include ogg encoding |
| 14:42.41 | badalex | Onyx4: cool |
| 14:42.46 | benmeyer | well actually I wrote a little app that draw on the screen a bunch and the XScale was faster |
| 14:43.05 | billytwowilly | hmm, so what you're saying is that the 5600 may not be worth the extra money? |
| 14:43.05 | Onyx4 | I should probably revise mine, I don't think it's actually working in its current form |
| 14:43.12 | Onyx4 | with the latest changes to mencoder |
| 14:43.13 | scan[ibook] | benmeyer: benchmarks :) |
| 14:43.27 | benmeyer | primiative, but yes |
| 14:43.39 | benmeyer | wasn't very memory intensive |
| 14:43.44 | benmeyer | more cpu intensive |
| 14:43.59 | benmeyer | draw circle, move 1 over, etc |
| 14:44.18 | scan[ibook] | that's actually probably more memory intensive than CPU though |
| 14:44.33 | benmeyer | ? |
| 14:44.34 | scan[ibook] | drawing to the screen the CPU is mostly waiting on the video memory |
| 14:44.43 | benmeyer | oh yah that memory yes |
| 14:45.13 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: what about libvorbis isn't working..? |
| 14:45.29 | scan[ibook] | but that wouldn't take much of a hit from a bad cache compared to something that had a lot of code |
| 14:45.35 | billytwowilly | i'm all confused now.. so do you think the 5600 will be worth the extra money or not? I thought basically the only difference was faster cpu, a bit more ram and a bigger battery. |
| 14:45.56 | ibz | anyone here installed a G2 screen protector on their Z? |
| 14:46.10 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: ? |
| 14:46.24 | Onyx4 | it's still not working no |
| 14:46.32 | TheMasterMind1 | it just compiled for me.. |
| 14:46.38 | TheMasterMind1 | you have your ipk thing wrong though |
| 14:46.43 | TheMasterMind1 | the lib is 0.2.0 |
| 14:46.45 | TheMasterMind1 | not 0.1.0 |
| 14:46.47 | Onyx4 | really? you must not have a /usr/lib/libogg.so.0 then? |
| 14:46.56 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe not |
| 14:46.57 | Onyx4 | yeah I didn't fit it cause it was not working for me |
| 14:47.06 | Onyx4 | cause libtool when it finds that library it uses that one |
| 14:47.10 | TheMasterMind1 | and did you try editing the libtool inside the vorbis sources? |
| 14:47.16 | TheMasterMind1 | it might be using that one |
| 14:47.25 | Onyx4 | no I forced it to use ours, but I tried that one before |
| 14:47.30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm ok |
| 14:48.08 | TheMasterMind1 | Sorry, libogg0 is already the newest version. |
| 14:48.10 | TheMasterMind1 | i have it installed.. |
| 14:48.34 | Onyx4 | heh weird |
| 14:48.49 | Onyx4 | you can fix the rootinstall then and try compiling mplayer see if it picks it up |
| 14:49.00 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: what is the error message you're getting |
| 14:49.06 | TheMasterMind1 | where does it die |
| 14:49.24 | Onyx4 | when it calls libtool |
| 14:49.32 | Onyx4 | /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin/arm-linux-gcc -shared mdct.lo smallft.lo block.lo envelope.lo window.lo lsp.lo lpc.lo analysis.lo synthesis.lo psy.lo info.lo floor1.lo floor0.lo res0.lo mapping0.lo registry.lo codebook.lo sharedbook.lo lookup.lo bitrate.lo -L/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/output/staging/usr/lib -lm /usr/lib/libogg.so -Wl,-soname -Wl,libvorbis.so.0 -o .libs/libvorbis.so.0.2.0 |
| 14:49.32 | Onyx4 | /usr/lib/libogg.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 14:49.47 | Onyx4 | almost at the end of the lib/Makefile |
| 14:49.52 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 14:50.09 | TheMasterMind1 | and its calling the libtool from staging? |
| 14:51.21 | benmeyer | offtopic: sweet: http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/subtoy2.asp?Queryid=tf133 |
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| 14:52.23 | billytwowilly | benmeyer: Sorry to bother you once more, but noone answered my question and you seem to know what you're talking about. Do you think the 5600 will be worth the extra money? |
| 14:53.49 | benmeyer | depends :-G |
| 14:53.49 | billytwowilly | on what? |
| 14:53.49 | benmeyer | the finally rom |
| 14:53.49 | beattie | is there any notes or doc's on Qtopiadesktop? I'm trying to understand syncing |
| 14:53.51 | billytwowilly | ? |
| 14:53.55 | benmeyer | how optimized it is etc |
| 14:54.01 | benmeyer | speed stability etc |
| 14:54.21 | scan[ibook] | or you could just use openzaurus ;) |
| 14:54.27 | benmeyer | But as a sharp respresentative I say yes simply for the 64MB of flash |
| 14:54.36 | scan[ibook] | yeeps |
| 14:54.40 | scan[ibook] | 64MB flash! |
| 14:54.49 | benmeyer | you didn't realize that? |
| 14:54.52 | benmeyer | pretty cool no? |
| 14:54.57 | scan[ibook] | nah, I hadn't looked at the 5600 |
| 14:55.05 | scan[ibook] | what could you possibly need 64MB flash for? :) |
| 14:55.12 | benmeyer | plus the much longer battery life is nice |
| 14:55.15 | benmeyer | KDE! |
| 14:55.20 | scan[ibook] | haha |
| 14:55.26 | billytwowilly | what's so good about 64 MB flash? |
| 14:55.36 | benmeyer | loading lots of apps I guess |
| 14:55.37 | scan[ibook] | billytwowilly: means you'll have more free space |
| 14:55.53 | scan[ibook] | benmeyer: the 5600 sharp rom will use jffs2? |
| 14:55.55 | benmeyer | samba, ftp, apache, mysql etc wihouth worry |
| 14:55.56 | benmeyer | yes |
| 14:55.58 | benmeyer | it does |
| 14:56.01 | scan[ibook] | ok |
| 14:56.08 | benmeyer | for both the read only and read-write |
| 14:56.47 | beattie | any idea on when the sources will be available? |
| 14:57.10 | ciao_linux | benmeyer: how about the kernel? |
| 14:57.14 | billytwowilly | but the 5600 only has 16 more MB space in total.. what's so good about flash vs the sdram in the 5500? |
| 14:59.20 | benmeyer | because the 32MB of memory is entirely used for memory |
| 14:59.26 | benmeyer | rather then split |
| 15:00.04 | benmeyer | 32MB more not 16 |
| 15:00.50 | chouimat | benmeyer: hmm op2 would need to be striped down |
| 15:00.57 | Cloudchaser | so is 16 of the 64 for the rom image? |
| 15:01.12 | Cloudchaser | or is it all going to be in one place now? |
| 15:01.24 | Cloudchaser | 32 mb ram for running apps right? |
| 15:01.27 | BrianR | having less ram is sort of a bummer though.. |
| 15:01.49 | BrianR | although the internal linear flash is much faster than a SD card, so it may be a net win in some cases. |
| 15:01.50 | benmeyer | less then what/ |
| 15:01.55 | billytwowilly | heh, why don't they put a 1 GB microdrive in there?? |
| 15:01.58 | billytwowilly | ;) |
| 15:02.00 | benmeyer | heat |
| 15:02.01 | TheMasterMind1 | ??SDL ???????????????????? Zaurus ????? |
| 15:02.01 | TheMasterMind1 | # ./test |
| 15:02.01 | TheMasterMind1 | Couldn't initialize SDL: No available video device |
| 15:02.01 | TheMasterMind1 | ???? |
| 15:02.01 | TheMasterMind1 | # chmod a+r /dev/fb0 |
| 15:02.01 | TheMasterMind1 | # ./test |
| 15:02.03 | TheMasterMind1 | Couldn't initialize SDL: Unable to open a console terminal |
| 15:02.05 | TheMasterMind1 | Zaurus ?????????????? |
| 15:02.06 | BrianR | benmeyer: the 5600 has 32mb of ram. The 5500 has 64mb. |
| 15:02.07 | TheMasterMind1 | # ./test |
| 15:02.09 | TheMasterMind1 | Couldn't initialize SDL: Unable to open mouse |
| 15:02.13 | TheMasterMind1 | SDL ???????? |
| 15:02.15 | TheMasterMind1 | # export SDL_NOMOUSE=1 |
| 15:02.17 | TheMasterMind1 | # ./test |
| 15:02.19 | TheMasterMind1 | Couldn't set 240x320x32 video mode: No video mode large enough for 240x320 |
| 15:02.21 | TheMasterMind1 | who can read japanese? |
| 15:02.26 | BrianR | benmeyer: typically not much fits in the 5500's 16mb of flash, so folks put in a largeish SD card. |
| 15:02.33 | benmeyer | Biran: the 5500 only has 32RAM |
| 15:02.40 | benmeyer | or is is 48? |
| 15:02.41 | benmeyer | bla |
| 15:02.54 | benmeyer | 5000 and 5500 only have 16MB flash |
| 15:02.55 | benmeyer | that is what I know |
| 15:02.57 | Cloudchaser | 16 flash, 64 ram, 32 of which is for running apps |
| 15:03.18 | Cloudchaser | 32 for installing stuff minus a few |
| 15:03.20 | BrianR | the developer version has 32mb ram. The retail version has 64mb ram. In the factory configuration, 32 of the 64mb of ram is used as a ramdisk. |
| 15:03.22 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: 64 if you install oz kernel-64-0 |
| 15:03.22 | Cloudchaser | something like that |
| 15:03.30 | Cloudchaser | right chouimat |
| 15:03.40 | Cloudchaser | so the new one has 32 ram for running apps |
| 15:03.45 | Cloudchaser | 64 for installing |
| 15:03.56 | Cloudchaser | is there still 16 for the rom? |
| 15:04.18 | Cloudchaser | ibot 5600 |
| 15:04.18 | | i heard 5600 is see sl-5600 |
| 15:04.28 | Cloudchaser | ibot sl-5600 |
| 15:04.28 | | hmm... sl-5600 is the newest zaurus, announced Nov12. More info available at http://www.sharpusa.com/products/FunctionPressReleases/0,1079,32,00.html and http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,1016,00.html and photos available at http://psifertex.com/gallery/sl5600 |
| 15:04.29 | BrianR | so for someone who plans to use all fo the RAM as RAM, and none as a ramdisk, the new Z has _less_ RAM... |
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| 15:04.56 | BrianR | note that less RAM has its advantages too though. |
| 15:05.03 | chouimat | and a buggy cpu |
| 15:05.11 | BrianR | time on stanby is probably much improved with less RAM. |
| 15:05.41 | BrianR | chouimat: does the x-scale have many errata? |
| 15:06.01 | billytwowilly | see, that's what I'm wondering about. flash can store data without power can it not? |
| 15:06.02 | chouimat | BrianR: it's intel :) |
| 15:06.15 | BrianR | chouimat: true, but I don't think it's that much worse than the sa-1100 |
| 15:06.16 | EditorGarfield | billytwowilly: It can indeed. |
| 15:06.42 | EditorGarfield | So data saved on a 5600 is immune to power loss. |
| 15:06.46 | billytwowilly | so if you're installing to flash and saving on flash, then even if you forget about the battery you shouldn't lose any info right? |
| 15:06.50 | Cloudchaser | so i count 16 more on the 5600, am i missing something? |
| 15:07.01 | billytwowilly | EditorGarfield: you beat me to the conclusion;) |
| 15:07.03 | Cloudchaser | the z has 16 flash, 64 ram |
| 15:07.14 | Cloudchaser | 5600 has 32 and 64 |
| 15:07.17 | billytwowilly | Cloudchaser: I counted 16 more as well... |
| 15:07.28 | EditorGarfield | Cloudchaser: compression. The ROM on the 5600 is/will be compressed jffs2 |
| 15:07.45 | BrianR | Cloudchaser: There's 16MB more memory on the 5600 vs the 5500. But less of it is RAM and more of it is flash. Depending on your application (and whether you put most of your stuff on a SD or CF card vs. the internal flash), this may work out to be better or worse for you. |
| 15:07.48 | Cloudchaser | but does it use some of the 32 or some of the 64? |
| 15:08.09 | EditorGarfield | The 32 RAM is all active memory RAM, like a PC uses RAM. |
| 15:08.15 | Cloudchaser | right i got that |
| 15:08.20 | billytwowilly | has to be part of the 64.. |
| 15:08.21 | EditorGarfield | Part of the flash is used by the preinstalled apps and OS. |
| 15:08.24 | Cloudchaser | have that on the 5500 |
| 15:08.30 | EditorGarfield | The rest is available for the user to install stuff. |
| 15:08.34 | BrianR | Cloudchaser: I think the 5600 uses the 64MB of flash as a jffs2 filesystem (compressed journalling flash filesystem) and the 32MB of ram all as RAM (no ramdisk) |
| 15:09.05 | EditorGarfield | But, the ROM is compressed. So users will have as much active memory as on the 5500 with Sharp ROM, and more effective storage, with no power-loss risks. |
| 15:09.09 | Cloudchaser | ok so there isn't 64 mb of total flash, there's 64 minus whatever the image takes |
| 15:09.15 | BrianR | If you used a 5500 in its stock retail configuration, you'll find the 5600 to be vastly improved. |
| 15:09.30 | EditorGarfield | It's 64 MB total flash, minus whatever Sharp installs. |
| 15:09.40 | EditorGarfield | But it should be uninstallable as well, since it's read/write. |
| 15:09.53 | BrianR | if you ran OZ with jffs2 on the 5500 and had most of your apps on a SD or CF card, you might be sad to find you have less ram on the 5600. |
| 15:09.56 | billytwowilly | so will all the stuff available for the 5500 have to be recompiled for the 5600? |
| 15:10.07 | EditorGarfield | Ironically, with the OZ all-RAM-as-RAM ROMs, the 5500 will offer more RAM if the SD card is used as storage. :-) |
| 15:10.11 | Cloudchaser | i have 40/24 oz |
| 15:10.25 | EditorGarfield | billytwowilly: Depends if they use the XScale optimized compilers. They've not decided yet. |
| 15:10.49 | EditorGarfield | They apparently are not switching to qt3 or gcc 3.2, which would be the smart thing to do if they're switching to the XScale optimizers. |
| 15:10.50 | Cloudchaser | all in all its a nice machine for those who don't have a z |
| 15:10.54 | chouimat | EditorGarfield: the 5600 would be like my 5000D setup: OZ 32/0 and a 32 SD and 64MB CF |
| 15:11.06 | Cloudchaser | but i don't think i saw anything compelling enough to upgrade to it |
| 15:11.28 | Cloudchaser | kind of interested in the clamshell one though |
| 15:11.28 | BrianR | I bet it's possible to rework the RAM part for 64MB though. |
| 15:11.30 | EditorGarfield | chouimat: very similar, yes. Except ROM is faster and takes less power than SD. |
| 15:11.38 | BrianR | many people have reworked their IPAQ's to get more ram... |
| 15:11.48 | EditorGarfield | Me, I'm interested mostly in the battery, maybe in the extra speed.:-) |
| 15:12.00 | chouimat | EditorGarfield: i use the SD to keep info I need to share with my m125 |
| 15:12.05 | Cloudchaser | be interesting to see how much faster it is |
| 15:12.14 | billytwowilly | you think you'll be able to put the 5600 battery on the 5500? |
| 15:12.19 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 15:12.20 | BrianR | probably not much. But I hear the xscale is a bit less battery thirsty... |
| 15:12.21 | TheMasterMind1 | i doubt it |
| 15:12.22 | Cloudchaser | not without surgery |
| 15:12.39 | EditorGarfield | It's too big. |
| 15:12.59 | billytwowilly | I thought they were pretty much the same externally though. |
| 15:13.07 | billytwowilly | 5500 and 5600 I mean. |
| 15:13.07 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone wanna test out mplayer? |
| 15:13.33 | EditorGarfield | billytwowilly: Mostly, yes. |
| 15:13.43 | EditorGarfield | But the 5600 has a bigger battery, and a "hump" to make room for it. |
| 15:14.09 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.themastermind1.net/ipks/ |
| 15:14.16 | EditorGarfield | OK, now I really do have to get myself to go work... :-) |
| 15:14.29 | billytwowilly | hmm. I thought the hump was just the battery protruding . I dunno. I haven't seen too many pics. |
| 15:14.44 | *** topic/#openzaurus by TheMasterMind1 -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | ZAURUS | SEX | FUN | BEER | send those cool screenshots to ozshots@themastermind1.net |
| 15:14.57 | kergoth | damn you and your on topic topic. |
| 15:14.58 | kergoth | ;) |
| 15:14.58 | EditorGarfield | billytwowilly: yes, it protrudes because the battery is thicker than the 5500 one |
| 15:15.30 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth heh |
| 15:16.00 | billytwowilly | ok, so then do you mean the 5600 battery gives off a different voltage than the 5500 one, or that the 5600 has a different shaped spot to put the battery? |
| 15:16.19 | EditorGarfield | I don't know about voltage. |
| 15:16.32 | billytwowilly | isn't this casual friday? no on topic discussions allowed??;) |
| 15:16.34 | EditorGarfield | But the battery cover is domed, I believe, to make room for a thicker battery. |
| 15:16.52 | EditorGarfield | billytwowilly: They found a french site earlier, and it's been a long week. :-) |
| 15:17.19 | billytwowilly | oh, ok. I see what you're saying. Sorry, I thought the battery didn't have a cover on it. Kinda like cell phone batteries. |
| 15:17.34 | billytwowilly | they were speaking french in here? |
| 15:17.49 | billytwowilly | heh. that reminds me of this newfie joke I heard yesterday. |
| 15:18.04 | kergoth | billytwowilly: we werent speaking french, we were on some french site |
| 15:18.40 | billytwowilly | oh? |
| 15:18.57 | kergoth | its definately been a long weke |
| 15:18.59 | kergoth | week too |
| 15:20.15 | EditorGarfield | I hate flaky software. |
| 15:20.26 | billytwowilly | I like frosted flakes. |
| 15:20.30 | EditorGarfield | If you haven't gotten the kinks out, don't fucking send it to me! |
| 15:20.48 | kergoth | mm frosted flakes |
| 15:21.37 | EditorGarfield | This company is not going to like me.... |
| 15:21.50 | kergoth | EditorGarfield: bad review? |
| 15:22.08 | cbok | kergoth - frosted flakes is like a minnesota thing |
| 15:22.11 | billytwowilly | damn people and their faster typing skills;) I was just gonna ask that.. |
| 15:22.18 | EditorGarfield | There's no such thing as a bad review. Only an honest review of a bad program. :-) |
| 15:22.31 | billytwowilly | heh, who do you write for? |
| 15:22.46 | EditorGarfield | billytwowilly: Palm OS Editor for http://www.infosync.no/ |
| 15:23.25 | billytwowilly | heh.. and that would explain why you sent me a link to a review on that website;) |
| 15:24.06 | billytwowilly | and that's your full time job? |
| 15:25.10 | TheMasterMind1 | new mplayer build coming up in a few mins |
| 15:25.14 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone wanna try it ? |
| 15:26.06 | TheMasterMind1 | *sniff* i guess not.. |
| 15:26.28 | billytwowilly | I don't own a zaurus yet. sorry. |
| 15:26.48 | TheMasterMind1 | EditorGarfield: review openzaurus :) |
| 15:27.12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hah, he said he'll mention it if we have it on the 5600 when its released |
| 15:27.20 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 15:27.31 | EditorGarfield | I was going to do a news on OZ 3 had my Z not died when I tried to install it. :) |
| 15:27.37 | EditorGarfield | When 3.1 is released, I'll try and do a news then. |
| 15:27.41 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 15:27.45 | TheMasterMind1 | how'd it "die" ? |
| 15:28.14 | EditorGarfield | Flash went bad, and I couldn't flash it with anything after that. Had to send it to Sharp to have them do some fancy Sharp-only flash to get the Sharp ROM back, then I installed OZ yesterday. |
| 15:28.27 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 15:28.57 | TheMasterMind1 | ouch |
| 15:30.39 | Cloudchaser | makes me afraid to flash..i've seen a few reports of that happening lately |
| 15:30.49 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: you missed ;) |
| 15:30.52 | Cloudchaser | why does it happen, though, does anyone know? |
| 15:30.58 | Cloudchaser | hehe yah i posted in the other channel ;) |
| 15:31.50 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, its funny when you know something is done compiling because your laptop's fan stopped |
| 15:38.07 | billytwowilly | hmm.. pcmcia card... would that fit in the compact flash slot? |
| 15:38.13 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 15:38.18 | billytwowilly | thought so. |
| 15:38.28 | billytwowilly | and that's the story I'm sticking with;) |
| 15:38.45 | beattie | billytwowilly: there are adapters I think |
| 15:38.53 | kergoth | yeah, there are adapters |
| 15:39.41 | billytwowilly | which would stick out more right? I'm trying to find the cf wireless cards at a store near me, but it isn't proving successful. |
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| 15:40.15 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot wifi |
| 15:40.15 | | methinks wifi is see wireless or get either a wcf12 linksys for $62 shipped from buy.com (nice small card, well supported, but not too great on battery) or the socket low power wlan for 160 something plus shipping also on buy.com (great battery usage, needs special drivers) or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321502&loc=101 for $44 |
| 15:40.42 | EditorGarfield | CF is a mini-PCMCIA. |
| 15:40.44 | Cloudchaser | hmm either my laptop doesn't *have* a fan or its stopped too somewhere along the line |
| 15:40.51 | EditorGarfield | Electrically very close, but physicall shorter, thinner, and narrower. |
| 15:41.22 | EditorGarfield | If this program doesn't run on OS 5, then the chances of it running on a HandEra 330 are what, 10 to 1 against? :-) |
| 15:41.34 | TheMasterMind1 | EditorGarfield: 252342623 to 3 |
| 15:42.25 | EditorGarfield | I was close. |
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| 15:46.04 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.themastermind1.net/ipks/ <-- test out these mplayer ipks |
| 15:46.54 | EditorGarfield | later.... |
| 15:47.18 | badalex|away | TheMasterMind1: ok |
| 15:48.05 | TheMasterMind1 | what happened to --force-overwrite? |
| 15:48.08 | badalex|away | never mind... |
| 15:48.26 | badalex|away | TheMasterMind1: im on sharp rom right now |
| 15:48.26 | badalex|away | :( |
| 15:49.27 | badalex|away | bbl |
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| 16:00.12 | billytwowilly | ibot wireless |
| 16:00.12 | | i guess wireless is The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or see wifi |
| 16:17.02 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot wifi |
| 16:17.02 | | i heard wifi is see wireless or get either a wcf12 linksys for $62 shipped from buy.com (nice small card, well supported, but not too great on battery) or the socket low power wlan for 160 something plus shipping also on buy.com (great battery usage, needs special drivers) or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321502&loc=101 for $44 |
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| 17:32.14 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 17:32.20 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 17:32.26 | TheMasterMind1 | cat |
| 17:32.38 | bbeattie | echo |
| 17:32.55 | badalex | echo |
| 17:33.21 | bbeattie | cat /dev/random > TheMasterMind1 |
| 17:37.41 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 17:46.16 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: !!!!!!! |
| 17:46.24 | TheMasterMind1 | the new mplayer build is absolutely AMAZING |
| 17:46.32 | TheMasterMind1 | it plays videos better than my laptop |
| 17:46.39 | bobstay | plays videos at DOUBLE SPEED! |
| 17:46.47 | TheMasterMind1 | there is like NO framedroppage |
| 17:46.48 | bobstay | with the sound at TRIPLE SPEED! |
| 17:46.56 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm playing this fastandfurious clip |
| 17:47.01 | TheMasterMind1 | you can see every single detail |
| 17:47.04 | bobstay | sorry, I'll stop taking the piss now :P |
| 17:47.07 | TheMasterMind1 | every small motion |
| 17:47.15 | TheMasterMind1 | its amazing |
| 17:49.27 | MSpin | strdup |
| 17:49.56 | ibz | strcat? |
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| 17:59.12 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: wow, you're kidding? how? |
| 18:00.01 | bbeattie | I sacked ext2 on my SD card, so I can actually write more than 5 megs an hour to it.. I'll have to encode a dvd, but it'll have to fit in 100 megs :-) |
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| 18:01.41 | beattie | bbeattie: what are you using instead of ext2 |
| 18:03.33 | bbeattie | vfat |
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| 18:16.15 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: who's over putting mplayer into the zz feed? |
| 18:16.19 | TheMasterMind1 | zz? |
| 18:16.55 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: i dunno if it workson the sharp rom |
| 18:17.07 | TheMasterMind1 | but if you want to play with it on oz, http://www.themastermind1.net/ipks/ |
| 18:17.13 | TheMasterMind1 | you need all of them |
| 18:17.20 | TheMasterMind1 | will be in the oz feeds shortly |
| 18:17.57 | TheMasterMind1 | try it out |
| 18:18.04 | TheMasterMind1 | it is freaking amazing |
| 18:18.08 | dcarmich | does mplayer have a qtopia interface? |
| 18:18.12 | TheMasterMind1 | not yet |
| 18:18.20 | TheMasterMind1 | you need to run it from commandline |
| 18:18.24 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer -quiet filename |
| 18:18.49 | TheMasterMind1 | unfortunately, we couldn't get sdl video to work |
| 18:19.15 | TheMasterMind1 | and that ipk doesnt have mplayer-refresh |
| 18:19.30 | TheMasterMind1 | still needs some work, but the base is finally working |
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| 18:20.08 | NightStar | Hello everybody. I need some wireless help.. |
| 18:20.14 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 18:20.23 | TheMasterMind1 | ask your question |
| 18:20.35 | NightStar | When I insert my WCF-11 it don't see it no more :( |
| 18:20.45 | TheMasterMind1 | ...? in oz3? |
| 18:20.48 | TheMasterMind1 | it? |
| 18:20.50 | NightStar | Yep.. |
| 18:21.14 | NightStar | OZ doesn't recognize that I've inserted my WCF-11 card. |
| 18:21.28 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:21.30 | TheMasterMind1 | it should |
| 18:21.35 | TheMasterMind1 | was it working before |
| 18:21.36 | NightStar | Had it working yesterday.. |
| 18:21.39 | TheMasterMind1 | what changed |
| 18:21.45 | NightStar | Nothing.. |
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| 18:22.09 | NightStar | Although I did have to manually set my broadcast address yesterday to get it to talk. |
| 18:22.45 | NightStar | Is there a crdmgr daemon? |
| 18:23.04 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, i remember you |
| 18:23.14 | TheMasterMind1 | you were figuring out this broadcast business with kergoth |
| 18:23.29 | NightStar | Yep that's me. |
| 18:23.35 | NightStar | Now it don't see the card at all. |
| 18:24.05 | NightStar | cardmgr is running. |
| 18:25.05 | NightStar | Ok dmesg is giving me: |
| 18:25.19 | NightStar | sa1100_pcmcia_init(0) messages |
| 18:25.31 | NightStar | Also a "check backup battery!" message! |
| 18:25.41 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 18:25.45 | TheMasterMind1 | cardctl status |
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| 18:26.23 | NightStar | socket 0 and 1: no card |
| 18:26.48 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 18:26.50 | TheMasterMind1 | cardctl eject |
| 18:26.53 | TheMasterMind1 | reboot |
| 18:26.54 | TheMasterMind1 | insert it |
| 18:27.03 | TheMasterMind1 | eject and remove |
| 18:27.04 | TheMasterMind1 | reboot |
| 18:27.08 | TheMasterMind1 | insert and check if it detects |
| 18:27.52 | NightStar | rebooting now.. |
| 18:28.20 | NightStar | Could rebooting with the card in be a problem? |
| 18:28.51 | NightStar | It found it! |
| 18:29.14 | NightStar | Thanks! |
| 18:32.39 | TheMasterMind1 | no, rebooting with the card in wouldn't cause a problem |
| 18:32.42 | TheMasterMind1 | what was the problem? |
| 18:33.02 | NightStar | I don't know, I could pull the card and reinsert and it wouldn't see it. |
| 18:33.15 | TheMasterMind1 | reboot fixed it? |
| 18:33.28 | NightStar | Then I did 'cardctl eject' rebooted and inserted and it worked. |
| 18:33.40 | NightStar | I did have a CF memory card in there earlier.. |
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| 18:33.53 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, something might just have gone wrong |
| 18:33.57 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe you pulled out a card without ejecting? |
| 18:34.15 | NightStar | I never did eject it, it pulled it while the unit was rebooting and inserted the wireless card. |
| 18:34.35 | NightStar | It wasn't just suspended, it was actually rebooting. |
| 18:34.56 | NightStar | It must have been that though.. |
| 18:34.59 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 18:35.02 | TheMasterMind1 | it didn't like that |
| 18:35.25 | NightStar | Thanks for the help.. It's working now.. |
| 18:35.28 | TheMasterMind1 | np |
| 18:35.36 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: tried mplayer yet? |
| 18:36.14 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: hey im back |
| 18:36.21 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: hey |
| 18:36.21 | Onyx4 | did you get mplayer to play vorbis/ogg? |
| 18:36.28 | Onyx4 | there is a sample ogm file at this page |
| 18:36.34 | TheMasterMind1 | oh? where? |
| 18:36.36 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll try it |
| 18:36.39 | Onyx4 | http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/examples/mul_dr150.ogm |
| 18:36.41 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer runs so well now |
| 18:36.48 | TheMasterMind1 | its awesome |
| 18:36.50 | Onyx4 | ah so my changes helped? |
| 18:37.10 | NightStar | Can aqpkg install a newer version of itself? |
| 18:37.12 | Onyx4 | maybe you tought it was running well yesterday, I'm sensitive to video problems :) |
| 18:37.38 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: heh, it was running pretty awesome yesterday too |
| 18:38.18 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: i forgot to add quiet to the mplayer config |
| 18:38.23 | TheMasterMind1 | actually, i'm not sure you can |
| 18:38.31 | TheMasterMind1 | but the other conf options seem to work nicely |
| 18:38.33 | Onyx4 | quiet=yes |
| 18:38.35 | Onyx4 | I do it |
| 18:38.37 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 18:38.40 | TheMasterMind1 | i pushed changes i made |
| 18:38.43 | Onyx4 | fs=yes |
| 18:38.47 | NightStar | mm1: Can aqpkg install a newer version of itself? |
| 18:38.48 | TheMasterMind1 | and i'm not sure we want fs on by default |
| 18:38.50 | EditorGarfield | TheMasterMind1: How about having the mplayer volume independent of the system volume? |
| 18:38.52 | TheMasterMind1 | since that causes problems |
| 18:39.11 | EditorGarfield | I need the volume at full to be able to hear the key clicks, but then when I stick headphones in and play an mp3 I go deaf. :-) |
| 18:39.14 | TheMasterMind1 | EditorGarfield: yea, that's just frontend stuff that needs to be done |
| 18:39.19 | EditorGarfield | yay! |
| 18:39.22 | Onyx4 | apparently ogg we could get stereo audio at 56kbit and very nice quality |
| 18:39.29 | Onyx4 | instead of mono and it would be faster too |
| 18:39.34 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: test it. grab ipks at www.themastermind1.net/ipks/ |
| 18:39.50 | Onyx4 | I wonder if anybody else got the vorbis problem with building it |
| 18:39.52 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer -quiet filename |
| 18:39.58 | Onyx4 | did you fix the rootinstall part of it? |
| 18:40.08 | EditorGarfield | buzz! Not command line, GUI. :-) |
| 18:40.19 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: yea, i don't remember if i pushed it though |
| 18:40.24 | TheMasterMind1 | might not have ci'ed it |
| 18:40.27 | Onyx4 | nope, I just bkp ulled |
| 18:40.37 | Onyx4 | commit it I'll try to mrproper and build again |
| 18:41.07 | TheMasterMind1 | wait, what was wrong with libvorbis again? |
| 18:41.14 | Onyx4 | the part in the ipkginstall |
| 18:41.21 | Onyx4 | it didn't have the right .so.x.x |
| 18:41.22 | Onyx4 | version |
| 18:41.26 | TheMasterMind1 | right |
| 18:41.42 | Onyx4 | cause I never got to build it, so I just guessed it :) |
| 18:42.02 | NightStar | How unstable is the unstable feed? |
| 18:42.07 | TheMasterMind1 | NightStar: not very |
| 18:42.27 | NightStar | Not very unstable or not very stable? |
| 18:43.18 | TheMasterMind1 | NightStar: not very unstable |
| 18:43.23 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: hmm, its not playing at all |
| 18:43.26 | TheMasterMind1 | it just like hangs.. |
| 18:43.28 | NightStar | Ok, thanks. |
| 18:44.06 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: with nosound it works good |
| 18:44.07 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:44.18 | Onyx4 | strange, I wonder if we build ogg/vorbis libs correctly |
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| 18:45.09 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: with sound on its slow as crap |
| 18:45.09 | TheMasterMind1 | 1 frame every 10 seconds |
| 18:45.10 | TheMasterMind1 | if that |
| 18:45.10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:45.15 | TheMasterMind1 | basically just hangs |
| 18:45.25 | Onyx4 | strange... it's just like libmp3 |
| 18:45.32 | Onyx4 | when we use libmp3, it's almost freezing |
| 18:45.35 | Onyx4 | just libmad works well |
| 18:45.38 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 18:45.44 | TheMasterMind1 | its wierd |
| 18:45.51 | TheMasterMind1 | are there multiple entries for ogg in codecs? |
| 18:46.13 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 18:46.16 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmmmmm |
| 18:46.43 | Onyx4 | btw, the etc directory should be /etc/mplayer, not just /etc |
| 18:46.48 | Onyx4 | like on debian |
| 18:46.57 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 18:46.59 | TheMasterMind1 | fix it |
| 18:47.07 | TheMasterMind1 | take out fs=yes |
| 18:47.09 | TheMasterMind1 | add quiet=yes |
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| 18:47.17 | Onyx4 | aren't you making those changes now? |
| 18:47.25 | TheMasterMind1 | i can |
| 18:47.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought you were |
| 18:47.28 | Onyx4 | I gotta leave for the night, so unless you want to make them now :) |
| 18:47.35 | Onyx4 | no i'm not touching it |
| 18:47.38 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 18:47.42 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll do it then |
| 18:47.47 | Onyx4 | you have the most recent copy right now |
| 18:47.56 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 18:47.59 | TheMasterMind1 | any idea what's up with vorbis? |
| 18:48.14 | Onyx4 | there's no "ldd" program on arm right? |
| 18:48.20 | Onyx4 | like we can't see what libraries a program has linked |
| 18:48.29 | TheMasterMind1 | i was trying to play an mpeg earlier and it didn't work too well |
| 18:48.34 | TheMasterMind1 | first of all the video was too big |
| 18:48.38 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you scale it using vop |
| 18:48.45 | TheMasterMind1 | second of all with sound on it was crashing the sound driver |
| 18:48.53 | Onyx4 | well the video has to be rescaled in advanced, it's too slow to do it live |
| 18:49.00 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm ok |
| 18:49.07 | Onyx4 | the sound has to be resampled to 22.5 k at low bitrate in mono |
| 18:49.10 | Onyx4 | otherwise it's too slow |
| 18:49.28 | Onyx4 | so that's why you gotta use zmencoder or something like that to pe-process it |
| 18:50.24 | Onyx4 | I wonder if this guy, did a static link of ogg/vorbis with mplayer |
| 18:50.27 | Onyx4 | http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/files/mplayer_0.90pre10_arm.ipk |
| 18:50.34 | Onyx4 | I wonder if his version works better |
| 18:50.37 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:50.39 | Onyx4 | we could ask him how he compiled it if it works |
| 18:50.42 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 18:50.47 | Onyx4 | cause he's not giving links to ogg/vorbis |
| 18:51.00 | Onyx4 | so i dunno how it'll play vorbis without the lib, unless it's static |
| 18:51.07 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll email him ask for what compile options etc he used |
| 18:51.16 | TheMasterMind1 | he probably did static |
| 18:51.33 | NightStar | Upgrading Opie-Networksetup removes WEP Key :) |
| 18:51.44 | TheMasterMind1 | picky picky .. |
| 18:51.45 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 18:51.48 | NightStar | :) |
| 18:51.57 | beattie | I'm trying to sync with qtopiadesktop, but the sync buttons are greyed out |
| 18:52.13 | TheMasterMind1 | did you go to settings->security? |
| 18:52.23 | NightStar | Check network and security settings.. |
| 18:52.24 | Onyx4 | does he come here sometimes? zeb? |
| 18:52.34 | TheMasterMind1 | never seen him |
| 18:52.53 | Onyx4 | he says he also used libmp3lame |
| 18:53.49 | beattie | setting-secuirty on the z? |
| 18:53.49 | TheMasterMind1 | yes.. |
| 18:53.49 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: hmm, lame is probably a good idea |
| 18:53.49 | Onyx4 | well all it would do is mp3 decoding,but libmad is probably better |
| 18:53.50 | Onyx4 | so we don't really need it I think |
| 18:53.50 | NightStar | Where to allow sync from is under security settings. |
| 18:54.09 | Onyx4 | I think that's maybe why he claims that mp3 is so slow on his page |
| 18:54.12 | Onyx4 | he didn't use libmad |
| 18:54.34 | Onyx4 | if you use -vo null does the ogg/vorbis audio plays? |
| 18:54.44 | Onyx4 | that way we would know if at least the audio works |
| 18:54.47 | beattie | TheMasterMind1: what needs to be set, the address looks ok |
| 18:55.17 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: lemme try that. i tried -noaudio |
| 18:55.34 | beattie | TheMasterMind1: never miod |
| 18:55.38 | TheMasterMind1 | nope, same thing with -ao null |
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| 18:56.14 | Onyx4 | no -vo null |
| 18:56.24 | Onyx4 | so no video just audio |
| 18:56.47 | Onyx4 | if the audio is not good, it means something's not right |
| 18:56.55 | Onyx4 | cause the Z should be able to play ogg without even video decoding |
| 18:57.16 | Onyx4 | oh no wait, with -vo null it still has to do divx decoding, it just doesn't output video to screen |
| 18:57.28 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 18:57.34 | Onyx4 | mmm |
| 18:58.04 | NightStar | beattie: What network addresses are you using? |
| 18:58.11 | TheMasterMind1 | video without sound works just fine |
| 18:58.14 | TheMasterMind1 | so the problem is in the audio |
| 18:59.29 | Onyx4 | yeah or the fact that when mixing in audio it just takes too much cpu to do syncing |
| 18:59.31 | beattie | NightStar: 192.168.129.0/24 |
| 18:59.52 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, grrr. why is writing to the SD so freaking slow when its ext2 |
| 18:59.56 | TheMasterMind1 | its just sickening |
| 19:00.16 | NightStar | beattie: The default sync allow is 192.168.1.0/24, so you need to go to settings->security |
| 19:00.32 | NightStar | beattie: and allow all of 192.169.x |
| 19:01.10 | beattie | NightStar: I just left it and click the clse button, it started working |
| 19:01.25 | NightStar | Good. |
| 19:01.43 | beattie | TheMasterMind1: it a feature to prevent too many writes to the SD :) |
| 19:02.29 | Cloudchaser | i noticed how slow it is... |
| 19:02.32 | Cloudchaser | terrible |
| 19:02.58 | NightStar | I agree, SD was slower on Sharp ROM though. |
| 19:02.59 | Cloudchaser | took me more than 20 minutes to import a csv file |
| 19:03.07 | Cloudchaser | i dont think it was slower |
| 19:03.28 | Cloudchaser | its slow enough on oz that they're looking into whats the problem |
| 19:03.39 | NightStar | It seems much faster on mine with OZ instead. |
| 19:03.52 | TheMasterMind1 | NightStar: ext2 or vfat? |
| 19:03.54 | NightStar | But it's still slow to write. |
| 19:04.28 | Cloudchaser | mine's ext2 and the csv import is writing to another app and its deadly slow |
| 19:04.56 | TheMasterMind1 | there's definitely something going on, it didn't used to be this slow |
| 19:05.03 | NightStar | Mine is ext2 also. CF memory cards don't have the problem. |
| 19:05.20 | NightStar | The do keep ya from putting that wireless card in though. |
| 19:06.43 | beattie | kergoth was talking earlier saying they knew what the problem was with ext2 and SD |
| 19:07.12 | beattie | It was not clear if the solution was known |
| 19:08.35 | Cloudchaser | to make matters worse, my z suspends while doing the import |
| 19:10.34 | Cloudchaser | damn i think its frozen now |
| 19:10.50 | Cloudchaser | crap |
| 19:11.01 | Cloudchaser | this bites |
| 19:11.30 | Cloudchaser | i get a message saying the app isn't responding to i want to force it to exit |
| 19:11.37 | Cloudchaser | i say yes and the z locks up hard |
| 19:12.52 | ljp | there's something seriously weird going on |
| 19:13.15 | Cloudchaser | yeah and the stupid media mount i uninstall still starts every time i reboot |
| 19:13.31 | jmhodges | ouch |
| 19:13.44 | TheMasterMind1 | someone reported that its much faster if you format ext3 |
| 19:13.47 | ljp | I get all kinds of lock up, and ln making symlinks that point to itself instead of th efile I type |
| 19:14.00 | Cloudchaser | even though its a) supposedly uninstalled and b) i check the do not asl again for this media |
| 19:14.04 | ljp | plain weirdness |
| 19:15.58 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmmm |
| 19:16.05 | TheMasterMind1 | it might be because of the extra mount options |
| 19:16.08 | TheMasterMind1 | sync, noatime |
| 19:16.14 | TheMasterMind1 | those were'nt being used before.. |
| 19:16.17 | TheMasterMind1 | someone test that |
| 19:16.18 | NightStar | I gotta run, see you guys later.. |
| 19:16.18 | Onyx4 | good point |
| 19:16.22 | ljp | I took sync out |
| 19:16.29 | TheMasterMind1 | no better? |
| 19:16.33 | TheMasterMind1 | i just reformatted mine minix |
| 19:17.11 | Cloudchaser | if it locks up again when i do the import i'm gonna have to switch back |
| 19:17.18 | Cloudchaser | and wait til the next release |
| 19:20.11 | Cloudchaser | well shit |
| 19:20.14 | Cloudchaser | it hosed my db |
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| 19:24.52 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: I use oz, not sharp, I'll wait for it in the feed. |
| 19:25.10 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: ? |
| 19:25.44 | TheMasterMind1 | wait for what in the feed? |
| 19:26.58 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: I get some apps from the zz feed, such as the current version of mplayer, I use oz3 though, so I'll wait for mplayer to come out in whichever first. |
| 19:27.24 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: back on what you said a bit ago when I was gone, |
| 19:28.14 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: www.themastermind1.net/ipks are where the oz mplayer ipks are while i test then and before i add them to the oz3 unstable feed |
| 19:31.53 | TheMasterMind1 | wow. minix sd is sooooo much faster |
| 19:32.01 | TheMasterMind1 | something's definitely wrong with ext2 |
| 19:32.07 | TheMasterMind1 | later Onyx4`away |
| 19:32.25 | ljp | try removing sync,noatime |
| 19:34.19 | TheMasterMind1 | can't, i reformatted it to minix |
| 19:34.23 | TheMasterMind1 | what's noatime do |
| 19:34.37 | TheMasterMind1 | I used gkrellm to monitor transfers over USB/scp. It |
| 19:34.37 | TheMasterMind1 | appears that there is a regular interval (about every |
| 19:34.37 | TheMasterMind1 | 30 seconds) where it transfers another 71K (Maybe 64K |
| 19:34.37 | TheMasterMind1 | data and 7k of headers?) and repeats. |
| 19:34.51 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.51 | TheMasterMind1 | to scp (and possibly copy) a file and quit mid-way, |
| 19:34.51 | TheMasterMind1 | then restart, the data however is writen at full speed, |
| 19:34.51 | TheMasterMind1 | (3500k in a about 10 seconds). |
| 19:34.58 | TheMasterMind1 | that's in one of the bug reports on the sf tracker |
| 19:35.15 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: I wrote that bug entry |
| 19:35.15 | TheMasterMind1 | might be because of that noatime option |
| 19:35.31 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: ah,ok. did you try removing those two options from fstab? |
| 19:35.33 | TheMasterMind1 | sync,noatime |
| 19:35.39 | TheMasterMind1 | and then remount and see if its any better |
| 19:35.43 | ljp | no theres something way fucked up |
| 19:35.49 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: no, hadn't, noda is also having problems, |
| 19:36.00 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, everyone with ext2 and sd is having problems |
| 19:36.10 | beattie`food | TheMasterMind1: noatime disables updating the access time field of the inode |
| 19:36.10 | ljp | making symlinks that are linked to itself |
| 19:36.21 | TheMasterMind1 | try removing those options and tell me if it makes a difference |
| 19:36.23 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: I'm heading off now, or I'd check. I also am using vfat because I need some music, if you see noda, have him check the entry like you said and see if that helps him, we both had the same problems. |
| 19:36.32 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 19:36.33 | TheMasterMind1 | will do |
| 19:36.34 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
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| 19:37.01 | bbeattie | yup, otherwise I'll be able to check tomorrow night or sunday, I'll be gone until then. |
| 19:37.03 | bbeattie | night guys. |
| 19:37.13 | badalex | night bbeattie |
| 19:37.32 | Cloudchaser | this is wierd..i'm doing an import, i started it at 9:33, my clock on z says right now 9:34, but its 9:42 here |
| 19:38.01 | ljp | funny, its 7:38 here |
| 19:38.20 | Cloudchaser | hehe well myabe the clock on my pc is a few minutes off |
| 19:38.49 | Cloudchaser | 10 minutes so far to import 1000 records |
| 19:39.10 | Cloudchaser | at this rate it will take 45 minutes to import..very very slow |
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| 20:00.37 | AAA | I want to build lirc from cvs, do I need to build an ipk? or just cp the binaries? I have not found any docs on how to do this |
| 20:01.45 | MSpin | what is up with SF today |
| 20:03.33 | AAA | they were down in the middle of the day yesterday |
| 20:03.47 | AAA | maybe they got hacked like tcpdump =p |
| 20:03.54 | MSpin | hehe |
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| 20:13.16 | badalex | smbj: faving fun? |
| 20:13.30 | smbj | badalex: haha |
| 20:13.31 | smbj | ofc |
| 20:13.53 | badalex | :) |
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| 20:47.09 | ljp | shhh |
| 20:47.31 | TheMasterMind1 | how does screen cap applet work |
| 20:48.56 | TheMasterMind1 | argh. kinkattalite is so freaking slow |
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| 21:03.10 | ljp | works using qt's screencap function ;) |
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| 21:47.51 | Infamous2 | what linux distro would you recomend to a new linux user....other than redhat |
| 21:48.01 | Infamous2 | i find redhat 8.0 is too "dumbed down" |
| 21:48.12 | Infamous2 | i liked 7.3 better |
| 21:51.20 | luke | libranet |
| 21:55.42 | ljp | mandrake |
| 21:56.00 | ljp | I would recommend mandrake to anybody |
| 21:57.20 | imposter_myuu | mandrake=>walmart linux |
| 21:58.01 | imposter_myuu | actually, its pretty good, i have to admit 8.2 install impressed me, but it performed crapply |
| 21:58.49 | Infamous2 | actually, i just downloaded mandrake now |
| 21:59.03 | Infamous2 | gonna install it once i burn it |
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| 22:41.10 | AAA | I thought lindows was walmart linux |
| 22:51.01 | Cloudchaser | they have lycoris ones at walmart too |
| 22:51.15 | Cloudchaser | and i think mandrake on the higher end ones |
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