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| 05:42.40 | zecke_ | kergoth`out: ping |
| 05:57.46 | tik | re |
| 05:58.10 | tik | ARGL. My cf slot's driving me crazy :) |
| 05:59.07 | tik | On every suspend/resume it invalidates it' device which yields a kernel thinking of a disk change which means every file handle on it is lost afterwards. |
| 05:59.37 | tik | But the worst thing - the source say that's the way it should be. |
| 06:01.25 | tik | (if someone wants to follow my mumble, take a look at <kernel>/drivers/ide/ide-cs.c, line 472) |
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| 06:38.44 | zecke_ | tik: the problem is that you at least need to flush the cf before suspending |
| 06:38.55 | zecke_ | tik: you could remove it during a suspend cycle |
| 06:39.32 | zecke_ | tik: the problem with Linux is that it want to delay writing new superblocks as much as possible |
| 06:39.41 | zecke_ | tik: most commonly only at umount |
| 06:40.59 | tik | zecke_: hmm. |
| 06:41.38 | zecke_ | tik: so in your case it's not needed |
| 06:42.05 | tik | zecke_: but if that happens we're in dire straits anyway - the original medium is gone and it won't detect if it did not change. |
| 06:43.02 | tik | zecke_: would it perhaps be an idea to change ide-cs so that it does a sync() on suspend? |
| 06:43.38 | zecke_ | tik: apm and Opie will do a sync before suspending in any case |
| 06:44.12 | tik | zecke_: I can't see an apmd on my z :) |
| 06:45.43 | tik | zecke_: or does opie by itself do that part op apmd's task? |
| 06:46.56 | zecke_ | tik: class ODevice takes care |
| 06:47.20 | tik | zecke_: thx. I'll look at that. |
| 06:49.57 | tik | zecke_: ah, yes. I see. |
| 06:51.05 | tik | zecke_: but if I remove the deregister() stuff from ide-cs, I'll get the problem that if I really change disks no one will notice it, won't I |
| 06:51.16 | tik | ? |
| 06:52.32 | tik | what makes me wonder most is that no one else seemed to have trouble witn that before. |
| 06:53.28 | tik | I wanted to have a daemon write stuff to /mnt/cf and have it not reopen it's log file on every write(). |
| 06:54.08 | tik | unfortunately, it does not survive a suspend/resume cycle, or at leas the file handle points somewhere it should not point :) |
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| 06:58.43 | tik | hmm. would it perhaps make sense to store a copy of the superblock(s) of the cf on suspend, reread them on resume and trigger a release() if anything changed? |
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| 07:17.36 | bobstay | for some reason, I never get the problem you're talking about. |
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| 07:44.00 | caffeinex36 | Windows IP Configuration |
| 07:44.00 | caffeinex36 | An internal error occurred: A device attached to the system is not functioning. |
| 07:44.00 | caffeinex36 | Please contact Microsoft Product Support Services for further help. |
| 07:44.00 | caffeinex36 | Additional information: Unknown media status code. |
| 07:44.14 | caffeinex36 | has anyone seen that. when trying to configure intellisync? |
| 07:47.09 | bobstay | gotta love microsoft error messages. |
| 07:47.56 | caffeinex36 | yeah |
| 07:47.57 | caffeinex36 | lol |
| 07:48.12 | caffeinex36 | i cant even enable the network USB driver...says connection failed |
| 07:48.40 | ljp- | did you select your ip range in security settings? |
| 07:48.54 | caffeinex36 | im just trying to push for zaurus rollout at my company,to at least get a little linux in there |
| 07:48.57 | caffeinex36 | yueah i did |
| 07:49.13 | caffeinex36 | its set to the default |
| 07:49.22 | caffeinex36 | 192.168.129.0/24 |
| 07:49.51 | caffeinex36 | shall i perhaps try to reinstall the USB drivers? |
| 07:50.24 | ljp- | you using the very latest windows zaurus drivers? |
| 07:50.44 | caffeinex36 | Hanging application SLNetDlg.exe, version 1.0.0.1, hang module hungapp, version 0.0.0.0, hang address 0x00000000. |
| 07:50.45 | caffeinex36 | For more information, see Help and Support Center at |
| 07:50.48 | caffeinex36 | not sure. I should be |
| 07:52.54 | caffeinex36 | where woulf i d/l them at? |
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| 08:03.29 | nobse | urgh... opieirc crashed |
| 08:04.24 | caffeinex36 | anyone point me to the latest USB drivers for Win |
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| 08:12.17 | nobse | screenshot time... smile |
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| 08:41.03 | smee|h | anyone tell me how to get mousePressEvent working with QListView? doesnt seem to do anything |
| 08:41.38 | smee|h | hm...do I need to inherit from QEvent |
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| 08:51.14 | mickeyl | smee|h: lookup http://doc.trolltech.com/2.3/qlistview.html#3faa98 |
| 08:51.24 | mickeyl | smee|h: you need to use eventFilter |
| 08:52.12 | smee|h | ook - missed that...thanks mickeyl! |
| 08:53.13 | smee|h | not sure I understand it though... I override eventFilter() rather than mousePressEvent()? |
| 08:54.21 | mickeyl | smee|h: no, you override qlistview::mousePressEvent and call eventfilter() to actually receive the event. |
| 08:55.09 | mickeyl | once you called eventfilter(), the viewport sends the events back to the view |
| 08:55.50 | smee|h | mickeyl: ah! I see ( I think ) |
| 08:56.29 | tik | hi nobse |
| 08:56.54 | mickeyl | smee|h: i don't know why you want to get the mousepresses though - in most cases it's better just to connect to the signal "selectionChanged" |
| 08:56.55 | nobse_oz | hi tik :) |
| 08:58.49 | smee|h | mickeyl: I have 3 levels of QListViewItem...and I want a popup menu when I click on a pixmap on the deepest items ... can you recommend an implementation? |
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| 09:05.51 | mickeyl | smee|h: connect to "selectionChanged( QListViewItem* item ), then check item->children(), if this list is empty, then it seems to be a leave. then construct the QPopupMenu and open it. |
| 09:06.40 | Piete | anyone know where I can get the USBDNET module for 2.5 kernels (is it supposed to contain support already?) |
| 09:06.56 | mickeyl | s/leave/leaf |
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| 09:07.46 | smee|h | mickeyl: thanks :) I was just attempting to call eventFilter() in a slot connected to selectionChanged() but was just wondering exactly what that'd achieve :) |
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| 09:09.01 | Piete | hey mr BigBum |
| 09:09.02 | Piete | :P |
| 09:09.03 | Fatbum | zimages: does the 64-0 mean you cant store jack? |
| 09:09.10 | Fatbum | hey piete |
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| 09:10.50 | Fatbum | any1 know? |
| 09:12.01 | mickeyl | what exactly means "store jack"? |
| 09:12.07 | Fatbum | like can you store anything? |
| 09:12.16 | Fatbum | it says 64 memory, 0 storage |
| 09:12.30 | mickeyl | ah ok, sure you can store. you have a tiny ramfs portion and you have the big flash rom, which is also storage |
| 09:12.44 | Fatbum | ramfs..how much |
| 09:12.45 | Fatbum | ? |
| 09:13.24 | mickeyl | like 2MB or so |
| 09:13.55 | Fatbum | so all in all how much room will i have and what is its safety if i do reset with the button? |
| 09:14.36 | mickeyl | depends on what you need the room for. you have 16MB flash for applications which is permanently stored unless you flash again |
| 09:14.46 | Piete | Fatbum: the 64-0 kernel means you will have 64MB RAM, and about 3 mb for storage (in flash, but thats a bad idea) |
| 09:15.03 | Piete | Fatbum: if you have a SD/CF card, that will be your storagr |
| 09:15.09 | Piete | storage even |
| 09:16.53 | Fatbum | yea i need an sd card |
| 09:16.53 | Fatbum | badly |
| 09:16.53 | Fatbum | cuz my wlan card is cf... |
| 09:16.53 | Fatbum | obviously |
| 09:16.53 | Fatbum | so i cant dl movies |
| 09:16.53 | Fatbum | or anything |
| 09:16.54 | Fatbum | really |
| 09:16.54 | Fatbum | cuz i have .2 kbs free space |
| 09:16.54 | Fatbum | KBs even |
| 09:17.11 | Piete | Fatbum: if you don't have external storage, use the 32-32 or 40-24 kernel |
| 09:17.31 | Fatbum | yea i have the 32-32 its not enough |
| 09:17.39 | Fatbum | i was looking for 24-40 |
| 09:18.25 | Piete | I use the 40-24 one |
| 09:18.46 | Piete | but I don't use the 24MB much, so I'm concidering moving to 64-0 |
| 09:19.26 | Fatbum | where do you install stuff? sd? |
| 09:19.38 | Piete | yea |
| 09:19.41 | Fatbum | kl |
| 09:19.42 | Fatbum | k |
| 09:20.14 | Piete | everthing goes to SD, I keep all my books on the CF card, since the wlan is CF too, then when I want to read at night, I just slip the CF in |
| 09:22.43 | Fatbum | the14MB / partition holds what? and what part of the 32-32 is it? |
| 09:24.13 | smee|h | mickeyl: thanks - that's good :) It's item->childCount() rahter than item->children() though |
| 09:24.14 | Piete | 14 MB partition? |
| 09:24.19 | Piete | you mean the flash? |
| 09:24.29 | Piete | The OS and PIM apps live there |
| 09:25.01 | Fatbum | and you can write to that |
| 09:25.11 | Fatbum | is mtdram the place were running apps run? |
| 09:25.18 | Fatbum | or is that the storage? |
| 09:25.45 | Piete | mtdram is the storage in the RAM |
| 09:25.50 | Piete | root = flash |
| 09:26.03 | Piete | mtdram = RAM storage |
| 09:26.09 | Fatbum | ok and or running prog space is unvisible right? |
| 09:26.17 | Fatbum | un hehe |
| 09:26.22 | Piete | lol |
| 09:26.23 | Fatbum | like in sysinfo? |
| 09:26.34 | Piete | yea, you can see that with the 'free' command |
| 09:26.38 | Piete | or in sysinfo |
| 09:26.41 | Fatbum | rite |
| 09:26.49 | Piete | or with cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 09:55.51 | AndyQ | hey |
| 09:58.28 | ljp- | hi |
| 10:00.16 | AndyQ | Harry Potter was good last night |
| 10:06.16 | Piete{afk} | hey AndyQ |
| 10:06.22 | Piete{afk} | how goes it |
| 10:06.39 | AndyQ | Hey Piete - going well except is Monday tomorrow :( |
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| 10:07.12 | AndyQ | How about yourself? |
| 10:11.12 | Piete{afk} | I'm ok |
| 10:11.26 | Piete{afk} | just my body's clock is messed up |
| 10:11.35 | Piete{afk} | I'm sick, and I slept all day |
| 10:11.45 | Piete{afk} | then I woke up at 10PM, and now I can't sleep |
| 10:11.49 | AndyQ | I hate it when that happens |
| 10:12.46 | Piete{afk} | yea, and now I'm bored.. the internet seems a little quiet today.. |
| 10:13.01 | AndyQ | yeah - nothings happened this weekend |
| 10:13.02 | Piete{afk} | it feels like I've visited all the sites on the net |
| 10:13.09 | Piete{afk} | lol |
| 10:13.19 | AndyQ | heh - just getting in some updates for aqpkg at the mo |
| 10:13.27 | Piete{afk} | cool.. |
| 10:14.05 | Piete{afk} | I can't wait until I get internet on the zaurus.. currently I have to manualy download packages to the zaurus to update/install anything, its a huge pain |
| 10:14.20 | AndyQ | yeah - thats annoying |
| 10:14.37 | AndyQ | I want to be able to click on a link in konq and download and install the package that way |
| 10:14.41 | Piete{afk} | and for some reason ipmasq to the zaurus does not work anymore,, no idea why.. |
| 10:14.44 | AndyQ | but I'm not sure yet how to do that |
| 10:15.26 | Piete{afk} | AndyQ: maybe make a small daemon that monitors specific directories, and opens aqpkg when it detects a new package? |
| 10:16.00 | AndyQ | heh - that could be incredibly annoying |
| 10:16.20 | AndyQ | I really hate windows when you put a cd in and it pops up telling what you could do with it |
| 10:16.26 | AndyQ | and yes, I know I can turn that off |
| 10:16.44 | AndyQ | but I reinstall windows so often it takes me about 5 weeks to get round to doing it :) |
| 10:17.13 | Piete{afk} | lol |
| 10:17.19 | Piete{afk} | I did that a lot too |
| 10:17.26 | Piete{afk} | but I gave up on windows |
| 10:17.32 | Piete{afk} | now I just run linux |
| 10:17.46 | AndyQ | i've been considering trying to switch completely to linux but i cant |
| 10:17.49 | Piete{afk} | I only installed it once this year, and it still runs fine :D |
| 10:18.03 | AndyQ | I have never yet managed to get every device working at the same time |
| 10:18.19 | Piete{afk} | make no mistake, I still need windows, but for that I have vmware, and it works nicely |
| 10:18.22 | AndyQ | eiter my network card works and the soundcard doesnt or some oter combination |
| 10:18.34 | Piete{afk} | AndyQ: what distros have you tried? |
| 10:18.40 | AndyQ | Piete{afk}: I'm the other way round, I have vmware and run linux under it |
| 10:19.52 | AndyQ | Piete{afk}: Slackware, Suse 8.1, Mandrake 8.1, 8.2, 9, and currently Debian |
| 10:19.55 | AndyQ | its not really down to the distro I think |
| 10:19.55 | AndyQ | I'm sure I could get everything working but I just don't have the time to baother |
| 10:19.55 | AndyQ | too many other things to do |
| 10:19.57 | Piete{afk} | yea |
| 10:20.10 | Piete{afk} | I run slackware, and all my devices work beautifully |
| 10:20.39 | Piete{afk} | it took a while to learn how to do it, but now I could get a system up from scratch in 1 hour including the partitioning and install |
| 10:21.02 | AndyQ | thats not bad |
| 10:22.03 | Piete{afk} | I always use a custom kernel tho, I don't have time fiddling with stock kernels |
| 10:23.07 | AndyQ | I used to roll my own kenerl but haven't done it for a while - I've got things working as I like (except currently sound which VMWare has issues with) and am reluctant to change too much |
| 10:23.50 | Piete{afk} | yea, I had sound problems with vmware too, but after I installed the RealTimeClock module, everything works fine (even fullscreen quicktime!) |
| 10:24.10 | Piete{afk} | how do you like debian? |
| 10:24.18 | Piete{afk} | I'm tempted to try it some time |
| 10:24.18 | AndyQ | cool - I think VMWare emulates sound on windows better than linux |
| 10:24.28 | AndyQ | I'm just starting to get used to Debian |
| 10:24.50 | AndyQ | I think I was spoiled before with Mandrake and how easy some things were (the package manager appears better) |
| 10:25.02 | AndyQ | but you find out that it does get into a bit of a mess |
| 10:25.03 | ibz[Zzzz] | AndyQ: can aqpkg upgrade itself? or do i have to manually install the ipk? |
| 10:25.08 | Piete{afk} | the debian or mandrake one? |
| 10:25.15 | Piete{afk} | ibz[Zzzz]: it can |
| 10:25.34 | ibz | Piete{afk}: thanks |
| 10:25.45 | AndyQ | ibz[Zzzz]: yes it can, you'll have to restart aqpkg to get the refreshed version (check help-about to see the internal version number) |
| 10:26.03 | AndyQ | Piete{afk}: the Mandrake one |
| 10:26.16 | AndyQ | Piete{afk}: the Debian one takes a bit of getting used to but its much better |
| 10:26.50 | AndyQ | Piete{afk}: especially when you find you dont have a package you need its so easy to grab it and install it |
| 10:26.50 | Piete{afk} | AndyQ: I forced myself to use and stick with slackware when I started out on linux, so I could learn about the internals and stuff, and I'm glad I did |
| 10:27.07 | AndyQ | Piete{afk}: similar to ipkg - you don't care where the package is |
| 10:27.23 | Piete{afk} | AndyQ: there is not a single binary package (appart from games like UT2k3 etc) on this, all extra apps was compiled by my) |
| 10:27.26 | Piete{afk} | me even |
| 10:27.48 | AndyQ | Piete{afk}: I started with Slackware on its 1st or second version - just to get some more experience with unix |
| 10:28.01 | Piete{afk} | wow, that was a long time back |
| 10:28.06 | AndyQ | Piete{afk}: I liked it then but haven't gone back to it since - it started to get left behind |
| 10:28.14 | Piete{afk} | AndyQ: hah |
| 10:28.26 | Piete{afk} | AndyQ: its much more up to date than debian-stable |
| 10:28.40 | Piete{afk} | and its not unstable either |
| 10:28.47 | AndyQ | Piete{afk}: heh - yeah, but I'm using debian-unstable |
| 10:28.57 | AndyQ | hehe - live on the edge me :) |
| 10:29.03 | Piete{afk} | AndyQ: heh |
| 10:29.12 | Piete{afk} | AndyQ: I can't wait from slack 8 |
| 10:29.14 | Piete{afk} | I mean |
| 10:29.14 | Piete{afk} | 9 |
| 10:31.06 | Piete{afk} | and I can't wait for Openzaurus 3.1(it will hopefully fix all the annoying bugs with 3.0), and I can't wait for XFCE4, and I can't wait for kernel 2.6, and I can't wait for the AMD Operon CPUs :D |
| 10:31.31 | Piete{afk} | oh no, maybe I should just kill myself |
| 10:31.39 | Piete{afk} | then I won't have to wait |
| 10:31.43 | AndyQ | Piete{afk}: hehe - I want picogui working with loads of apps |
| 10:31.50 | Piete{afk} | but that defeats the purpose of waithing |
| 10:32.02 | Piete{afk} | nevermind me, I'm rambbling |
| 10:32.02 | AndyQ | Piete{afk}: lol |
| 10:32.11 | Piete{afk} | nneeeeddd mooorrreee slleeepppp |
| 10:32.33 | AndyQ | have a double whiskey - that always works for me |
| 10:34.09 | Piete{afk} | I'd probably break another glass in the kitchen... I wanted some water an hour back, but I broke the glass, and had to try and clean up all the splinters in the dark... I'll see if I got them all in the morning |
| 10:34.35 | Piete{afk} | if I wake up with someone with a bloody foot screaming |
| 10:35.00 | AndyQ | you'll know you missed one or two :) |
| 10:35.13 | Piete{afk} | haha |
| 10:37.32 | Piete{afk} | man, check this out : telnet blinkenlights.nl <-- a friggin ascii art movie over telnet |
| 10:49.50 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 10:49.56 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new |
| 10:49.58 | AndyQ | hi |
| 10:50.06 | AndyQ | not much - pretty quite tonight |
| 10:50.55 | smbj | here's my QOTD: what wm do you use? |
| 10:52.55 | Piete{afk} | XFCE |
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| 10:54.18 | smbj | Piete{afk}: i'm trying that right now. seems nice and fast |
| 10:54.37 | AndyQ | kde3 |
| 10:54.37 | Piete{afk} | BWHAHAHAHAHA http://www.asciimation.co.nz/diejarjar.html |
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| 11:07.21 | ibz | damn. are there any openzaurus feed mirrors? |
| 11:07.28 | AndyQ | night Piete |
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| 11:26.17 | Cloudchaser | do libs have to be installed into root/mtdram? or should they be? |
| 11:29.40 | Cloudchaser | both gameboy emu and the zfceu (snes emu) failed to installon oz |
| 11:33.27 | ibz | the internet must be down...i can't get to the oz or opie feeds....doh! hehe |
| 11:36.24 | chouimat | back |
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| 11:38.24 | noda | Moo! |
| 11:38.41 | chouimat | noda: go buy a sho-vel |
| 11:40.33 | noda | chouimat: Yeah, seriously, eh :) |
| 11:41.07 | noda | I wanted to go running this morning, too. But then I looked outside... -2 degrees, snow all over the sidewalks, snowing AND freezing rain... I decided not to :) |
| 11:42.04 | chouimat | noda: left St-jean-port-joly just in time this morning |
| 11:45.22 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 11:45.40 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: where do you live |
| 11:46.12 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Montreal |
| 11:46.19 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: noda is in montreal |
| 11:46.27 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 11:47.19 | noda | Montreal is really nice :) |
| 11:48.23 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: where does Girl live? |
| 11:49.02 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Montreal, um... 30-50 blocks west of here. |
| 11:49.06 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 11:49.09 | TheMasterMind1 | lucky you |
| 11:49.28 | noda | Heh, not yet... |
| 11:49.43 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 11:55.58 | chouimat | noda: so how was friday? |
| 11:56.18 | noda | chouimat: Erm... horrible and great at the same time :) |
| 11:56.41 | chouimat | noda: she spoke of another man? |
| 11:56.50 | noda | chouimat: Erm... her secrets those :) |
| 11:57.18 | noda | chouimat: Let's put it this way: I think I have a chance with her, but not for a while. |
| 11:57.36 | chouimat | noda: :( |
| 12:03.04 | AndyQ | nick AndyQ|dinner |
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| 12:04.58 | chouimat | AndyQ: eating cat? |
| 12:09.33 | bobstay | neko o taberu! |
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| 12:24.55 | AndyQ | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - too full to think |
| 12:26.20 | bastard | problem with the OZ feeds? |
| 12:26.30 | bastard | getting connection refused |
| 12:26.34 | coup | oops :) |
| 12:26.41 | coup | still called bastard from fridays comedy :) |
| 12:26.55 | AndyQ | hehe |
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| 12:47.07 | TMM1[Z] | hmm |
| 12:47.32 | bobstay | probs? |
| 13:04.06 | caffeinex36 | are there any openzaurus feeds mirrors? |
| 13:05.08 | TMM1[Z] | afaik no |
| 13:05.29 | bobstay | buroken desu ka? |
| 13:05.33 | bobstay | ahem, ah. |
| 13:05.37 | bobstay | is it broken? |
| 13:05.44 | caffeinex36 | http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/zaurus/ |
| 13:19.54 | Rince | Hmm, is openzaurus.sourceforge.net down? |
| 13:21.43 | bobstay | the whole of sourceforge has been tits-up this week, as far as I can see. |
| 13:22.55 | Rince | *ouch* |
| 13:22.57 | Rince | badbadbad |
| 13:23.25 | chouimat | bobstay: they're moving today |
| 13:23.35 | bobstay | oh. that would explain a lot ;) |
| 13:23.45 | Cloudchaser | ok well it looks like gnuboy doesn't quite work on oz, i've got the little gameboy window stuck in the middle of my screen, the black background around it is gone |
| 13:23.53 | Rince | and when will they have finished? I'd like to update my opie-packages... |
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| 13:40.50 | TMM1[Z] | man... |
| 13:41.17 | TMM1[Z] | kinkatta is so slow with my 150 person buddylist |
| 13:41.38 | caffeinex36 | where can i get a copy of the media player codecs at? |
| 13:42.16 | TMM1[Z] | the feed when it comes back |
| 13:42.31 | caffeinex36 | FEEEEED MMEEEE! |
| 13:43.17 | TMM1[Z] | lol |
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| 13:44.45 | caffeinex36 | http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/current/ |
| 13:46.13 | kolla | cant be current with those dates |
| 13:46.44 | caffeinex36 | tru |
| 13:46.46 | caffeinex36 | didnt notice that |
| 13:47.30 | caffeinex36 | poop |
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| 13:47.49 | caffeinex36 | still says it cant find any decoders for file blahblah.mp3 |
| 13:48.29 | kolla | I just installed xmms :) |
| 13:54.29 | caffeinex36 | whats with all the cannot create symlink crapola |
| 14:01.05 | chouimat | hi scanline |
| 14:01.16 | scanline | hi chouimat |
| 14:01.30 | chouimat | scanline: huh? |
| 14:01.47 | scanline | picogui got on slashdot |
| 14:02.03 | chouimat | scanline: my condoleance |
| 14:02.07 | scanline | thanks |
| 14:02.29 | chouimat | scanline: did you port picogui to the SH4? |
| 14:02.50 | scanline | yeah. haven't tested it in a while, but I've run picogui on my dreamcast |
| 14:03.04 | chouimat | scanline: got good result? |
| 14:03.10 | caffeinex36 | anyone want to help me with my opie player problems? |
| 14:03.36 | caffeinex36 | i get a no appropriate decoders found for this file: blah blah.mp3 |
| 14:03.41 | scanline | chouimat: the dreamcast is rather slow at graphics without the 3D accelerator |
| 14:03.59 | scanline | chouimat: I'd like to have picogui take advantage of the accelerator, but doing so under linux would be really hard |
| 14:04.07 | scanline | chouimat: there's a guy who might be porting picogui to KOS though |
| 14:05.23 | chouimat | scanline: ok. I'm still waiting for it. Fucking snowstorm!!! |
| 14:05.39 | scanline | ha |
| 14:06.38 | chouimat | scanline: do you know when sourceforge will be up again? |
| 14:06.54 | scanline | it looks up to me |
| 14:07.07 | scanline | oh damn.. project servers down |
| 14:07.19 | ljp- | scanline: can you tell me why my cats spazing out? |
| 14:07.20 | chouimat | scanline: cvs to |
| 14:07.25 | scanline | CVS DOWN!???? |
| 14:07.43 | scanline | ljp-: because sourceforge is down |
| 14:07.45 | chouimat | ljp-: spazing out? |
| 14:07.52 | ljp- | hehe |
| 14:08.05 | ljp- | ya running all over the place with a wild look in her yeys |
| 14:08.09 | ljp- | eyes |
| 14:08.27 | chouimat | ljp-: left her for more than 3 days? |
| 14:08.31 | ljp- | no |
| 14:08.41 | chouimat | ljp-: where do you live? |
| 14:08.48 | ljp- | colorado |
| 14:08.58 | chouimat | ljp-: snow storm? |
| 14:09.15 | ljp- | no, very nice warm day |
| 14:09.20 | ljp- | windows open |
| 14:09.31 | chouimat | ljp-: ok. tornado then :P |
| 14:09.37 | ljp- | could be the soldering smoke |
| 14:10.49 | caffeinex36 | damn you opie media player |
| 14:11.52 | kolla | use xmms and mplayer instead :) |
| 14:13.42 | ljp- | what version of opieplayer? |
| 14:17.30 | ljp- | well?! |
| 14:21.36 | caffeinex36 | lemme check |
| 14:21.52 | caffeinex36 | wait...it still says libmpeg is not installed |
| 14:21.53 | caffeinex36 | damnit |
| 14:24.09 | ljp- | you'll need libmad and mpeg3 libs |
| 14:24.50 | Bovine | hmm, trying to cross compile libpcap, I get errors about not being able to determine the kernel version of the target (fair enough), any one know how to get around it? |
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| 14:29.53 | caffeinex36 | still no go ljp |
| 14:31.56 | ljp- | you install opieplayer or opieplayer2? |
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| 14:32.58 | caffeinex36 | i think opiepayer |
| 14:33.08 | Bovine | you want op2 |
| 14:33.11 | Bovine | ibot op2 |
| 14:33.11 | | hmm... op2 is a media player which is currently in beta stage, which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg, and MPEG4 (DivX/XviD) movies, and other formats. The backend uses the xine libs. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 14:33.59 | caffeinex36 | do i downoad classic? origional? |
| 14:34.19 | caffeinex36 | or just opie-mediaplayer2_0.9.1-20020905_arm.ipk |
| 14:38.47 | ljp- | op2 is still beta |
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| 15:04.05 | chouimat | back |
| 15:05.03 | chouimat | is kergoth alive? |
| 15:06.39 | Rince | apparently not... |
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| 15:24.41 | ibz | anyone got the opie-mediaplayer and opie-qpdf ipk's they can send me? |
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| 15:54.07 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 15:58.03 | prpplague | lo |
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| 16:12.29 | ibz | any reason why mplayer wouldn't work on oz? am getting "invalid magic" when trying to install it... |
| 16:14.16 | bobstay | gotta love cryptic error messages :P |
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| 16:16.07 | kolla | use a different spell |
| 16:17.00 | Coup | magic = start of a file, used to id file type |
| 16:17.21 | Coup | like the CAFE in a java class |
| 16:17.52 | ibz | Coup: isn't that for the "file" program? |
| 16:18.23 | Coup | could mean the ipkg u got is busted? |
| 16:20.09 | ibz | i doubt it, cause it is one of the ipk's that i keep locally - i.e it installed fine on sharp rom. |
| 17:08.45 | prpplague | kergoth: ping |
| 17:09.02 | kergoth | prpplague: pong |
| 17:09.06 | kergoth | hey dave, how goes it |
| 17:09.14 | kergoth | been a lazy ass day here, bored |
| 17:09.52 | prpplague | kergoth: not bad, just finish v2 of my backpack |
| 17:10.15 | prpplague | kergoth: hey got a question, the battery charging in the z is controlled by the kernel right? |
| 17:10.30 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:10.35 | kergoth | lil CHARGE_ON() macro |
| 17:10.44 | kergoth | in arch/arm/mach-sa1100/collie_battery.c afaicr |
| 17:11.09 | prpplague | is there a /proc associated with the function? |
| 17:11.27 | prpplague | i mean can i control the charge function from l-user space? |
| 17:12.07 | kergoth | hmm, I'm not certain if sharp implemented either a proc interface or a character device interface for it. would have to check the sources. |
| 17:12.17 | prpplague | kergoth: ok thanks |
| 17:12.31 | kergoth | np |
| 17:12.33 | prpplague | kergoth: just thought i'd check and see if you could point me in the right direction |
| 17:12.40 | kergoth | yeah, np |
| 17:12.46 | kergoth | libtool fucking pisses me off |
| 17:12.52 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm getting really good performance |
| 17:13.00 | kergoth | prpplague: on your backback? |
| 17:13.02 | prpplague | kergoth: ya |
| 17:13.03 | kergoth | er |
| 17:13.05 | kergoth | pack |
| 17:13.09 | kergoth | nice |
| 17:13.34 | prpplague | kergoth: just trying to work on some of the re-charging of the main battery procedures |
| 17:14.20 | kergoth | ah yeah, gotcha. |
| 17:14.41 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 17:14.56 | prpplague | kergoth: i've got some cradle's on order, when i get some in, i'll make up a pack for ya |
| 17:15.15 | kergoth | that'd be cool |
| 17:15.19 | kergoth | hey chouimat, hows it going |
| 17:15.22 | chouimat | prpplague: making what? |
| 17:15.36 | kergoth | found the libvorbis/pg-server compile failure ugliness problem |
| 17:15.41 | kergoth | was libtool stupidity |
| 17:15.52 | chouimat | kergoth: got back after two days and found an overaffectuous cat in my appartment |
| 17:15.56 | prpplague | chouimat: battery/scanner backpacks |
| 17:16.00 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe |
| 17:16.33 | chouimat | kergoth: can't move at all without him following me |
| 17:17.28 | chouimat | prpplague: it is working well? |
| 17:18.06 | prpplague | 12 hours w/o 802.11b abd 8 with |
| 17:19.20 | chouimat | prpplague: what kind of battery? |
| 17:20.30 | chouimat | fuck sourceforge |
| 17:21.29 | kergoth | chouimat: here here |
| 17:21.34 | kergoth | sf pisses me off daily |
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| 17:21.49 | Fatbum | any1 tried tinyx? |
| 17:21.56 | Fatbum | are there install instructions for that |
| 17:22.00 | Fatbum | cuz its jewing my z |
| 17:22.08 | chouimat | kergoth: and the snowstorm is pissing me off (just lost futurama) |
| 17:22.32 | kergoth | ack |
| 17:22.43 | kergoth | chouimat: sandman found the opie-segfaults-on-exit bug |
| 17:23.08 | chouimat | kergoth: goood |
| 17:23.49 | phpCure | kergoth: hey |
| 17:23.55 | phpCure | Fatbum: how so? |
| 17:24.51 | TheMasterMind1 | Fatbum: how it is "jewing" your Z? |
| 17:24.51 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 17:24.51 | prpplague | chouimat: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F004%5F010%5F000%5F000&product%5Fid=23%2D338 |
| 17:24.51 | Fatbum | i dont remember, i just flashed |
| 17:24.52 | Fatbum | i made a car charger for my z |
| 17:24.53 | Fatbum | i spent 15 i think |
| 17:24.53 | Fatbum | on parts |
| 17:24.54 | chouimat | prpplague: any way to make it work with C or D battery? |
| 17:25.01 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: what are you trying to do |
| 17:25.03 | prpplague | chouimat: ya, put them in? |
| 17:25.28 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: need a travel battery pack |
| 17:25.40 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm ok |
| 17:25.45 | TheMasterMind1 | you can buy one or build one |
| 17:26.12 | TheMasterMind1 | if you build one with cells, its probably a good idea to use a voltage regulator |
| 17:30.04 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: ya you can use a 7805 or a good switching regulator |
| 17:30.06 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: i know |
| 17:31.43 | ljp- | oh I love fdisk/formatting dos partitions to type 83... *sigh* |
| 17:32.03 | ljp- | one more drive down.. :) |
| 17:33.42 | prpplague | kergoth: hey |
| 17:33.50 | prpplague | kergoth: want to know something? |
| 17:34.51 | TheMasterMind1 | huh? kergoth knows everything already.. |
| 17:34.52 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 17:35.13 | TheMasterMind1 | damn SF.. |
| 17:35.24 | TheMasterMind1 | nobse: got your screenshots.. look nice |
| 17:35.37 | Fatbum | whrer? |
| 17:35.41 | Fatbum | i wanna see screenies |
| 17:35.46 | kergoth | prpplague: whats that? |
| 17:35.49 | TheMasterMind1 | they're on openzaurus.org which is down right now |
| 17:35.53 | TheMasterMind1 | blame sf |
| 17:35.55 | prpplague | kergoth: you have to got to work tomorrow! and its a monday! |
| 17:35.59 | kergoth | prpplague: fucker |
| 17:36.06 | prpplague | lol |
| 17:36.39 | *** join/#openzaurus mrwoody (paolo@137-pool2.ras12.nynyc-t.alerondial.net) |
| 17:37.12 | mrwoody | does anyone know of a cf slot duplicator or something like that? |
| 17:37.34 | chouimat | mrwoody: huh? |
| 17:37.42 | mrwoody | hi chouimat |
| 17:37.54 | chouimat | hi mrwoody |
| 17:37.57 | TheMasterMind1 | mrwoody: there are cf->pcmcia and pcmcia->cf adapters |
| 17:37.58 | prpplague | mrwoody: ya its called dd |
| 17:38.05 | mrwoody | chouimat: yes something that would allow me to connect a cf card and an ehternet card |
| 17:38.19 | mrwoody | prpplague: dd? |
| 17:38.24 | chouimat | mrwoody: buy a SD card :) |
| 17:38.34 | TheMasterMind1 | mrwoody: what are you trying to d |
| 17:38.35 | TheMasterMind1 | o |
| 17:38.36 | prpplague | mrwoody: do a man on the dd command |
| 17:38.55 | mrwoody | prpplague: well no i mean something different... i mean hardware |
| 17:38.57 | kergoth | mrwoody: buy an ipaq with a dual cf sleeve |
| 17:39.05 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 17:39.12 | prpplague | mrwoody: oh |
| 17:39.21 | mrwoody | kergoth: ehm, ok never mind... but is it impossible to produce something like that? |
| 17:39.47 | prpplague | mrwoody: not its not impossible as long as the device has both slot detection pins avialable |
| 17:40.16 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, i see. you want like a CF splitter so you can use multiple cf cards? |
| 17:40.16 | prpplague | mrwoody: as i understand, sharp did not attach the second pin detection pin |
| 17:40.26 | mrwoody | TheMasterMind1: exactly |
| 17:40.33 | prpplague | mrwoody: therefor its not possible without opening the z and connecting the pin |
| 17:40.46 | mrwoody | prpplague: i see... too bad, it would have been useful ! :-( |
| 17:40.54 | prpplague | mrwoody: you could multiplex the pin with another gpio |
| 17:41.02 | prpplague | mrwoody: which i did but its not pretty |
| 17:41.15 | prpplague | mrwoody: i spoke to sharp about getting that fixed about a month ago |
| 17:41.35 | mrwoody | prpplague: what is a gpio? |
| 17:41.36 | prpplague | mrwoody: i was assured that "in future models" the proble would be handled |
| 17:41.52 | *** join/#openzaurus mrloco (~chatzilla@173.245.95.24.cfl.rr.com) |
| 17:41.52 | mrwoody | prpplague: why did you do it? |
| 17:41.56 | prpplague | mrwoody: general purpose input output |
| 17:42.08 | mrwoody | prpplague: i see |
| 17:42.10 | prpplague | mrwoody: i needed 802.11b and a barcode scanner |
| 17:42.14 | kergoth | mrwoody: intel.com. read the sa1110 developer manual |
| 17:42.49 | mrwoody | prpplague: i see.. so no hope even for the future, right? |
| 17:43.11 | mrloco | quick survey: which zImage is everyone using? I'm going with the 58-6 |
| 17:43.22 | chouimat | 32-0 |
| 17:43.23 | prpplague | mrwoody: nothing for the sl-5500 |
| 17:43.39 | prpplague | mrwoody: i hope that the sl-5600 has it taken care of |
| 17:44.02 | mrloco | mrwoody: what do you mean by nothing? you using 5000? |
| 17:44.28 | mrwoody | mrloco: i am using 5000, but i didn't say nothing... anyway i am using 32-0 as well |
| 17:45.14 | kergoth | i use 48-16 on my 5500 |
| 17:45.48 | mrloco | ah. I suppose if I had 5000 I'd go with 32-0. Im thinking 58-6 and installing everything I can on sd card. |
| 17:46.00 | mrwoody | kergoth: do you know if there is any progress on usbdnet? |
| 17:47.05 | mrwoody | everybody: if you didn't do it before, give a try to qpPhoto... it is really cool |
| 17:47.30 | kergoth | mrwoody: usbdnet is crap, dont use it |
| 17:47.43 | ljp- | hahaha! 3 less type 6 and type b partitions! woot! |
| 17:47.44 | kergoth | mrwoody: the usbnet driver in 2.4.20-rc1 plus a patch from the linux-usb-devel list supports the zaurus |
| 17:48.19 | kergoth | mrwoody: note, it has a bug regarding using ethernet bridging, so dont use that if you use usbnet |
| 17:48.19 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp-: what in the world are you doing |
| 17:48.24 | ljp- | poor poor type eb... ;( |
| 17:48.30 | ljp- | fdisking! |
| 17:48.42 | ljp- | riding the world of inhumane type 6 partitions |
| 17:48.49 | mrwoody | kergoth: nice... i am really happy if i can stop using usbdnet |
| 17:48.54 | mrwoody | kergoth: i will try that |
| 17:49.05 | kergoth | mrwoody: you can. search the linux-usb-devel archives for 'usbnet zaurus' |
| 17:49.06 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh, qt3.1 |
| 17:49.20 | mrwoody | kergoth: great... thank you |
| 17:49.22 | kergoth | mrwoody: np |
| 17:49.33 | TheMasterMind1 | btw, anyone know zeb? |
| 17:49.39 | ljp- | and compiling kdevelop 3 |
| 17:49.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: sandman found the opie-segfaults-on-exit bug |
| 17:49.52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: multikey's destructor segfaults |
| 17:49.53 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth yea, i heard |
| 17:49.54 | TheMasterMind1 | what was it |
| 17:49.54 | ljp- | did he fix it? |
| 17:49.56 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 17:50.08 | kergoth | ljp-: says it doesnt happen in current cvs head, going to try in a sec |
| 17:50.29 | prpplague | ljp-: why not use a script with sfdisk? |
| 17:50.43 | kergoth | hmm, what are the athlong optimization flags for gcc? |
| 17:50.54 | kryhme|homework | i always thought it was just me that got the segfault |
| 17:51.37 | kryhme|homework | but is that a big deal because it's exiting anyways? |
| 17:52.31 | dep | kergoth: are you compiling qt3 or qt3 embedded? i just gave embedded a try and it has a compile error |
| 17:52.35 | kergoth | kryhme|homework: it causes corruption on the tty its on |
| 17:52.44 | kergoth | kryhme|homework: which fucks with our vt handling at times |
| 17:52.53 | kergoth | dep: /x11 atm, /embedded comes next |
| 17:53.20 | ljp- | sfdisk? |
| 17:54.41 | prpplague | ljp-: a fdisk program that can be run non-interactive, great for create mass qty's drives |
| 17:55.25 | dep | embedded got to qtextedit.cpp : 4754 ...then didn't understand QRichTextDrag |
| 17:55.47 | prpplague | ljp-: i can hook up 15 scsi drives and load them in 20 minutes |
| 17:55.51 | ljp- | ahh.. hmmm.. oz needs sfdisk so formatter can do partitions also |
| 17:56.31 | ljp- | hint hint |
| 17:56.34 | dep | the link to qtopia-free on zauruszone is broken |
| 17:56.49 | kryhme|homework | where does it link to dep |
| 17:57.12 | mrloco | sdcard definitely fast with ext2 if sync turned off in fstab |
| 17:57.30 | dep | hover shows it in howtos/downloads |
| 17:57.34 | kryhme|homework | dep: sourceforge is down still the last i heard, if it links there.... they are moving hardware |
| 17:57.47 | kergoth | mrloco: yup, just remember not to pull the card out without ejecting |
| 17:58.05 | mrloco | kergoth: is sync;sync ok? |
| 17:58.11 | kergoth | mrloco: huh? |
| 17:58.14 | kergoth | oh |
| 17:58.24 | *** join/#openzaurus badalex (~badalex@cpe-66-1-177-91.ut.sprintbbd.net) |
| 17:58.25 | kergoth | theres no guarantees on data integrity if you dont unmount. |
| 17:58.48 | kergoth | its on you if you lose data, I make you no guarantees on that |
| 17:59.03 | kryhme|homework | i never put any guarantees on lost data |
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| 17:59.38 | mrloco | kergoth: what does umount do that sync doesnt? - btw I don't intend pop out the sd card on a regular basis, just interested in different safe methods |
| 17:59.57 | mrwoody | does anyone know why when i try to mount my cf card (that is formatted ext2) from the linux desktop, it mounts it as vfat instead of ext2, unless i use -t ext2 |
| 18:00.01 | kergoth | mrloco: rtfm. |
| 18:00.08 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 18:00.11 | kergoth | mrloco: man mount |
| 18:00.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:01.22 | ljp- | woody: fdisk |
| 18:01.43 | ljp- | or edit /etc/fstab |
| 18:03.12 | mrwoody | ljp-: /etc/fstab has auto |
| 18:03.21 | mrwoody | ljp-: and fdisk gives me 83 |
| 18:03.55 | kergoth | mrwoody: i'd use dd to wipe the disk, thereby getting rid of the vfat magic, then mkfs.ext2 it |
| 18:05.02 | mrwoody | kergoth: ok... but since now there is quite a lot of stuff... would a cp -rL be enough to copy everything and then copy back? |
| 18:05.12 | kergoth | mrwoody: yep |
| 18:13.31 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, i need simpsons episodes |
| 18:14.22 | prpplague | hmm, i need to get the first season of B5 on dvd |
| 18:14.52 | Rince | B5? It's already out on dvd, where's the problem? |
| 18:15.14 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone have any decent gnutella servers? |
| 18:15.48 | Rince | how about buying? |
| 18:16.54 | prpplague | Rince: $ is the problem |
| 18:17.22 | prpplague | Rince: between beer,computer parts, and the nudie bar, my "entertainment budget" is tight |
| 18:18.36 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: i thought gnutella was p2p so that every client was a server... is that not correct? |
| 18:19.20 | chouimat | prpplague: I will soon have al the simpsons and south park episodes |
| 18:20.50 | chouimat | prpplague: nudie bar? come on why pay for something you can get free? |
| 18:21.20 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: wanna share the simpsons episodes? |
| 18:21.47 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: maybe. send me money and I send you the cds :) |
| 18:21.48 | prpplague | chouimat: ha, i'm a fat, bald headed geek, if you can tell me where to get it for free i'll go |
| 18:22.13 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: heh, i just want a couple.. do you have a decent upload speed? |
| 18:22.41 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: currently I don't have them yet. I'm waiting for my brother to copy them |
| 18:22.50 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 18:22.52 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 18:22.59 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm bald too |
| 18:23.23 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm not bald |
| 18:23.29 | prpplague | yet |
| 18:23.36 | chouimat | ok I shave my head |
| 18:23.46 | *** join/#openzaurus wembly (wembly@113-163.bestdsl.net) |
| 18:23.47 | TheMasterMind1 | wembly: yo |
| 18:23.49 | wembly | hihi |
| 18:24.51 | wembly | whats the best way to get the hancom stuffs offa the sharprom? |
| 18:24.51 | chouimat | wack it? |
| 18:24.52 | wembly | im really not wanting to flash to sharp then run the script then transfer the package off and reflash... |
| 18:25.07 | kergoth | hi wembly |
| 18:25.10 | wembly | hihihi |
| 18:25.13 | kergoth | loopback mount the sharp rom |
| 18:25.13 | TheMasterMind1 | wembly: download ospack, romburst it, mount it and pull files |
| 18:25.16 | kergoth | extract the hancom ipk |
| 18:25.24 | kergoth | tweak the postinst to run on a local dir |
| 18:25.24 | kergoth | run it |
| 18:25.29 | wembly | ?? |
| 18:25.30 | TheMasterMind1 | hancomword is currently nonfunctional on oz though |
| 18:25.35 | wembly | extract the hancom ipk from where? |
| 18:25.41 | wembly | drat |
| 18:25.44 | wembly | thats what i wanted :/ |
| 18:25.47 | kergoth | wembly: from the loopback mounted sharp rom |
| 18:25.48 | wembly | whyfor is hancom word broken? |
| 18:25.51 | kergoth | qt/e |
| 18:25.57 | TheMasterMind1 | something to do with fonts |
| 18:26.01 | wembly | *sigh* |
| 18:26.02 | TheMasterMind1 | you can use it with some fonts right? |
| 18:26.02 | kergoth | interesting thing is, it works for treke on an ipaq |
| 18:26.05 | kergoth | with the same qt/e version |
| 18:26.14 | kergoth | but our qt/e 2.3.4 b0rks it |
| 18:26.16 | TheMasterMind1 | ipaq... hancom... |
| 18:26.17 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:26.22 | TheMasterMind1 | only slightly illegal :) |
| 18:26.28 | wembly | only slightly |
| 18:26.34 | kergoth | so it may be our qt/e is badly affected by some other library |
| 18:26.39 | kergoth | perhaps our libc version or something |
| 18:26.45 | kergoth | something that deviates us from familiar |
| 18:26.49 | wembly | does hancom's license say you can run it or that it must be run on a zaurus tho? |
| 18:26.49 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:26.57 | TheMasterMind1 | something like that |
| 18:27.04 | kergoth | wembly: who knows? we dont have hardcopies of the use licenses for the app |
| 18:27.05 | kergoth | s |
| 18:27.07 | kergoth | though i wish i did |
| 18:27.08 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: that's going ot be a pain to figure out |
| 18:27.14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes, it is |
| 18:27.21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we know the opera problem, that one we can nail down |
| 18:27.25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but word is going to be a bitch |
| 18:27.40 | TheMasterMind1 | what's the opera problem? |
| 18:27.44 | wembly | so *shrug* i see no resone why someone cant run it on an ipaq if they legally own the rights to run it :P |
| 18:27.52 | kergoth | our libjpeg |
| 18:27.56 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 18:27.56 | kergoth | the sharp one works with it |
| 18:27.58 | kergoth | ours doesnt |
| 18:27.58 | wembly | maybe its the same problem? |
| 18:28.02 | kergoth | even though our libjpeg works with everything else |
| 18:28.03 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth is ours newer? |
| 18:28.04 | kergoth | wembly: no. |
| 18:28.07 | kergoth | wembly: we've done backtraces |
| 18:28.11 | wembly | ahh |
| 18:28.12 | kergoth | wembly: and know where the problems lie |
| 18:28.14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no |
| 18:28.15 | wembly | spiffy |
| 18:28.16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: identical version |
| 18:28.19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so it makes no fucking sense |
| 18:28.22 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh |
| 18:28.33 | wembly | heres an idea |
| 18:28.34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: unless its an optimization flag or something, but think about it, this problem existed before i added optimizations to everything |
| 18:28.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so thats out |
| 18:28.39 | wembly | copy one library at a time from the sharprom to oz |
| 18:28.43 | kergoth | wembly: eh? |
| 18:28.46 | wembly | see which one makes word work? |
| 18:28.48 | kergoth | wembly: you're not listening. |
| 18:28.56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth can we put a non-stripped libjpeg and figure out where in libjpeg its dying? |
| 18:29.00 | kergoth | wembly: libqt and libqpe from sharp copied over makes it work. |
| 18:29.04 | wembly | ahhh |
| 18:29.12 | kergoth | wembly: it crashes within a font function in qt/e on OZ with a oz q/te |
| 18:29.14 | kergoth | wembly: qt/e |
| 18:29.31 | wembly | you try copying the qt/e from oz onto the sharprom? |
| 18:29.36 | wembly | see if it does the same thing? :) |
| 18:29.41 | kergoth | good idea |
| 18:29.44 | kergoth | i dont think thats been tried |
| 18:29.46 | kergoth | i never even did any of this |
| 18:29.49 | kergoth | i havent had time |
| 18:29.52 | wembly | hehe |
| 18:29.53 | wembly | anyhow |
| 18:29.57 | kergoth | this is all reports from users who helped deub git |
| 18:29.58 | TheMasterMind1 | if people are really dying to use these apps and we can't figure out or fix the problems, we could maybe include those older libs and have only those binaries use them |
| 18:29.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:29.59 | wembly | i gotta get back to work on my math |
| 18:30.05 | kergoth | wembly: k, ttyl |
| 18:30.20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its possible. but for word.. qt/e and libqpe, thats like 5 megs |
| 18:30.23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 18:30.26 | TheMasterMind1 | ouch |
| 18:30.33 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 18:30.34 | wembly | themastermind: i think we should just solve the binary incompatablitys |
| 18:30.35 | TheMasterMind1 | forget that |
| 18:30.39 | kergoth | wembly: bingo |
| 18:30.41 | kergoth | if theres a BC problem |
| 18:30.43 | kergoth | we need to fix it |
| 18:30.49 | kergoth | as it may bite us on things other than hancom |
| 18:30.50 | wembly | itd be easier quicker and make us more knowlageable |
| 18:30.51 | TheMasterMind1 | wembly: yea |
| 18:31.02 | kergoth | not to mention it could fix problems we havent even seen yet |
| 18:31.08 | TheMasterMind1 | true true |
| 18:31.19 | kergoth | so we need to fix it eventually, just not sure how |
| 18:31.26 | kergoth | btw, i got libvorbis to stop bitching |
| 18:31.29 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, getting people to actually start using the 3.2compiled stuff will be challenging |
| 18:31.35 | kergoth | and now it doesnt even compile a shared lib, only static |
| 18:31.36 | kergoth | piece of shit |
| 18:31.36 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: oh sweet.. how? |
| 18:31.41 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 18:31.42 | kergoth | but i'll get it |
| 18:31.47 | kergoth | i got pg-server to build as well |
| 18:31.50 | TheMasterMind1 | what about pg-server? |
| 18:31.51 | kergoth | its a long story |
| 18:31.54 | kergoth | pg-server uses libtool as well |
| 18:31.55 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 18:31.57 | kergoth | got bit by the same bug |
| 18:32.00 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 18:32.11 | kergoth | i'll write it up somewhere so people know |
| 18:32.14 | kergoth | cause it could hit us again |
| 18:32.18 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, do that |
| 18:32.24 | wembly | why did libtool even have a use btw? |
| 18:32.25 | beattie | libtool is a bug? I'll buy that :) |
| 18:32.38 | wembly | i mean i never understood what the point of libtool was |
| 18:32.46 | kergoth | beattie: ohhh yeah |
| 18:32.47 | chouimat | SOURCEFORGE IS BACK!!!!!! |
| 18:32.52 | wembly | *laugh* |
| 18:32.53 | kergoth | wembly: to save time fighting with manual linking |
| 18:32.53 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: finally.. |
| 18:32.59 | kergoth | wembly: imho its not worth the headaches it introduces |
| 18:33.01 | kergoth | chouimat: yay |
| 18:33.34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we need a navigation piece to the screenshots page |
| 18:33.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: like categories for them or something |
| 18:33.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: instead of all on one page |
| 18:33.56 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, need to figure that out |
| 18:34.04 | wembly | btw kergoth... |
| 18:34.17 | wembly | why does qtopia use that weird mime dir structure? |
| 18:34.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i kinda like them all big and on one page because you don't have to click on every single image to view a bigger version and see stuff. but categories would be good |
| 18:34.36 | wembly | why dosnt it use a dot-hidden file for metadata and include mime data in that? |
| 18:34.45 | kergoth | wembly: ? |
| 18:34.47 | kergoth | wembly: dir stucture? |
| 18:34.49 | wembly | yea |
| 18:34.52 | kergoth | wembly: mime types are only handled in two pieces |
| 18:34.53 | wembly | you know the documents dir |
| 18:35.01 | kergoth | wembly: that has nothing to do with mime ty |
| 18:35.01 | kolla | why doesnt ext2 contain a dedicated field for meta data? :) |
| 18:35.02 | kergoth | pes |
| 18:35.04 | TheMasterMind1 | scp: /home/users/t/th/themastermind1/oz/oz_website/content/shots/opie//oz_02.png: Read-only file system |
| 18:35.05 | TheMasterMind1 | pos! |
| 18:35.10 | kergoth | thats the doclnk system |
| 18:35.15 | kergoth | mime types are in two pieces |
| 18:35.26 | kergoth | 1) mime type -> extension assocation in mime.types, a single ascii text file |
| 18:35.42 | wembly | whatever why cant it just have files in the documents dir and xml formatted meta data in a speical file? |
| 18:35.43 | kergoth | 2) mime type -> application association, in the application's .desktop file, a single line in said file |
| 18:35.56 | TheMasterMind1 | wembly: that weird thing is only in the Documents dir |
| 18:35.56 | kergoth | wembly: what are we talking about here? |
| 18:36.00 | TheMasterMind1 | and i have no idea why its like that |
| 18:36.03 | wembly | yea but why must they do it |
| 18:36.05 | kergoth | again, that has nothing to do with mime types |
| 18:36.07 | wembly | it makes it a pita. |
| 18:36.12 | wembly | *shrug* |
| 18:36.14 | kergoth | its well known |
| 18:36.15 | wembly | whatever it has todo with |
| 18:36.23 | kergoth | that trolltech implemented the documents layer badly |
| 18:36.24 | kergoth | this is obvious |
| 18:36.26 | kergoth | dont ask why |
| 18:36.28 | wembly | but why cant it work without that dir? |
| 18:36.29 | kolla | kergoth: and 3) .. Documents/audio/x-oggs/blurb.desktop |
| 18:36.30 | wembly | *sigh* |
| 18:36.33 | kergoth | thats like asking why lineo makes spaghetti code in kernels |
| 18:36.37 | wembly | they have any plans on fixing it? |
| 18:36.42 | wembly | hahahah |
| 18:36.45 | kergoth | wembly: how the fuck should i know? |
| 18:36.49 | wembly | i dunno |
| 18:36.52 | kergoth | wembly: opie is fixing it. i have no idea about TT. |
| 18:36.56 | kolla | they're lamers :) |
| 18:36.58 | wembly | cus you know more about the goings on around here then i do atm. |
| 18:37.01 | prpplague | kergoth: because they like italian? |
| 18:37.03 | wembly | thank gawd |
| 18:37.03 | TheMasterMind1 | wembly: the documents tab will eventually become ofileselector courtesy of opie devels |
| 18:37.06 | TheMasterMind1 | in opie anyway |
| 18:37.06 | kergoth | prpplague: haha, could be |
| 18:37.08 | TheMasterMind1 | tt is just stupid |
| 18:37.17 | wembly | next feature... folders.. |
| 18:37.31 | wembly | so documents is like file broswer type thingie. |
| 18:37.34 | kergoth | wembly: ? |
| 18:37.36 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 18:37.36 | kergoth | wembly: thats what he said. |
| 18:37.40 | kergoth | wembly: ofileselector |
| 18:37.40 | wembly | ahh |
| 18:37.48 | prpplague | kergoth: or more probably is the code of ethics "do it quick, get it done, get the check" |
| 18:37.50 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:37.50 | kergoth | wembly: ofileselector is the file open dialog in the opie apps |
| 18:37.52 | wembly | will it be able to go into subdirs? |
| 18:38.00 | TheMasterMind1 | wembly: yes. |
| 18:38.03 | kergoth | wembly: it can already view 1) documents, or 2) all files |
| 18:38.09 | kergoth | wembly: and it is gaining new functionality |
| 18:38.11 | kolla | I havent found a picture viewer that uses a proper filerequester yet |
| 18:38.11 | wembly | will that going into subdirs be disableable? |
| 18:38.22 | kergoth | wembly: do i look like the one designing it? |
| 18:38.25 | kergoth | wembly: /join #opie |
| 18:38.26 | TheMasterMind1 | no fucking clue. dont' ask us |
| 18:38.29 | wembly | yes :) ;) |
| 18:38.29 | kergoth | jesus |
| 18:38.29 | wembly | hehe |
| 18:38.32 | kergoth | waste of my fucking time |
| 18:38.46 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth needs a chick |
| 18:38.50 | wembly | *shrug* trying to get as much info outa you as possable :) |
| 18:38.56 | prpplague | kergoth: don't get me wrong i like lineo putting linux out there, but when the "management" starts worrying about paying the bills, the code suffers, even in my biz |
| 18:39.07 | beattie | wouild a baby duck do? |
| 18:39.08 | kolla | kergoth: yes, you have a hard time fucking as it is :) |
| 18:39.14 | kergoth | prpplague: yes yes, precisely. the code has the feel of a rush job to get it out the door |
| 18:39.22 | kergoth | kolla: haha |
| 18:39.45 | kolla | need some quality fucking time |
| 18:39.48 | kolla | :) |
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| 18:41.43 | kolla | kde3.1rc3 compiling as well |
| 18:44.13 | TheMasterMind1 | man, centericq doesn't work with aim |
| 18:44.14 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 18:52.21 | prpplague | kergoth: good code takes lots of revisions and lots of long term thought, most business are on a schedule and are interested in the bottom line, two inheritly incompatible goals |
| 18:57.06 | kryhme|homework | which leaves companys like ms cranking out programs that have bugs because they don't have time to check for them because they have so much money that they hire 8 million people to manage projects, so you've got 8 million people setting deadlines that aren't even reasonable to crank out a product that isn't ready to be released |
| 18:59.24 | prpplague | kryhme|homework: hell, we only have 500 employees and we do the same thing |
| 19:00.03 | prpplague | kryhme|homework: i'm working a project now that was sold before they even asked someone in the r&d department if it was possible |
| 19:01.11 | kryhme|homework | prpplague: dude, i work for a company that does the same thing and we only have less than 100 people... |
| 19:01.22 | kryhme|homework | prpplague: guess this is contagious |
| 19:02.42 | prpplague | kryhme|homework: you ever read "atlas shrugged" by ann rand? |
| 19:03.53 | kryhme|homework | prpplague: i started working on this project to redesign our systems that we make that repair holes in airplanes... we used to use custom circut boards and stuff and custom lcd screens... i decided to go with a touchscreen monitor and use a pc104 stack and have it run linux and write the application to control all the I/O myself.... i hadn't even thought about where i was gonna get the parts before i was told "we need this t |
| 19:03.53 | kryhme|homework | le in 2 months" |
| 19:04.29 | prpplague | lol |
| 19:04.33 | kryhme|homework | prpplague: i told them it was impossible... so they paid a programming company $60,000 to write the software... it's been 3 months and the company still isn't done yet |
| 19:04.42 | prpplague | lol |
| 19:05.11 | prpplague | kryhme|homework: ha, been there done that, but our company refuses to contract out programming |
| 19:05.20 | prpplague | kryhme|homework: all the pressure is on the r&d team |
| 19:05.27 | kryhme|homework | and we had to explain to the govt in singapore why they didn't have the devices they bought to distribute to their air force... glad i ditched that project |
| 19:06.03 | kryhme|homework | prpplague: no i never read that book, it's fuggin huge. is it any good? |
| 19:07.18 | prpplague | kryhme|homework: its about all the "smart" people move away from the "dumb" ppl, i think we just move the "sales" ppl away , lol |
| 19:07.37 | kryhme|homework | the new leper colony |
| 19:10.39 | kergoth | prpplague: atlas shrugged is one strange book |
| 19:11.31 | prpplague | kergoth: my mother (an english teacher) made me read that when i was 8 |
| 19:11.40 | kryhme|homework | damn |
| 19:12.15 | kergoth | prpplague: damn |
| 19:12.18 | kergoth | prpplague: heh |
| 19:12.25 | prpplague | talk about screwing up my perception of the future, lol |
| 19:12.28 | kergoth | no shit |
| 19:12.32 | kryhme|homework | prpplague: when i'm at b&n i look at those huge books, and i'm like if i'm gonna read something that long, might as well be computers so i'll always opt for building internet firewalls, and other exciting tales |
| 19:14.05 | prpplague | well the books my mother made me read has influenced the way i think about programming and technology |
| 19:14.37 | prpplague | too many ppl think programming is a science, i believe programming is as much an art as it is a science |
| 19:14.53 | prpplague | and art is something that business types have never understood |
| 19:15.31 | beattie | not quite an art, but a craft |
| 19:15.36 | prpplague | its alway been "fashionable" for wealthy business type to collect art, but i'd venture to say very few understand the history/culture that revolves around the art |
| 19:16.15 | kergoth | beattie: a craft can be an art. |
| 19:16.17 | beattie | I tend to liken programming to architecture |
| 19:17.10 | prpplague | beattie: i could go for craft, but i can truely say that sound programming has brought the words "beautiful" to my mouth more than once, and art(and some women) are the only thing i can compare that reaction too |
| 19:17.23 | prpplague | beattie: agreed |
| 19:17.42 | prpplague | beattie: franklin lyod wright said "god is in the details" |
| 19:18.10 | prpplague | beattie: he understood that to make something truely great, even items that were never or rarely seen needed to be done correctly |
| 19:18.18 | kryhme|homework | exactly, understanding computers and things is more of a mindset than actually having the knowledge |
| 19:18.50 | prpplague | http://www.franklloydwright.org/ |
| 19:21.38 | kryhme|homework | you know what's funny about art, you can really understand it best when you watch those cartoons when a dog spills paint on a canvas and someone claims that it's their work and everyone likes it.... makes you think alot about art, and you say is this really good art, or is it good art because someone tells me it's good.... why can't "bad" art be good art if it inspires me... |
| 19:24.00 | prpplague | opps, backpack just died, 8:32 |
| 19:24.51 | prpplague | not bad at all |
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| 19:30.16 | guised | hey everyone |
| 19:30.22 | guised | what's PicoGUI |
| 19:30.40 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot picogui |
| 19:30.40 | | it has been said that picogui is an small and scalable embedded GUI. More info in the #picogui channel or at http://picogui.org. Read the FAQ or not pico gui or pico-gui or even cooler than sliced cheese or see "picogui faq" |
| 19:32.45 | guised | TheMasterMind1: picogui runs on the zaurus? |
| 19:34.23 | mrwoody | does anyone know if there is something like a pdf->djvu converter? |
| 19:34.48 | mrwoody | i mean for linux |
| 19:35.59 | TheMasterMind1 | guised: yes |
| 19:36.04 | kryhme|homework | guised: i'm just starting to get into picogui as well |
| 19:36.14 | TheMasterMind1 | dejavu? |
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| 19:37.25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth? |
| 19:37.27 | mrwoody | TheMasterMind1: http://www.students.ncl.ac.uk/j.d.hedley/zaurus/djview/ |
| 19:38.29 | TheMasterMind1 | mrwoody: cool |
| 19:39.10 | mrwoody | TheMasterMind1: yes... it looks like... but for the moment the only useful thing that i found was http://any2djvu.djvuzone.org |
| 19:40.53 | TheMasterMind1 | mrwoody: cool |
| 19:42.26 | mrwoody | TheMasterMind1: it works great... give it a try... mostly if you need to read text with funny fonts, as i do |
| 19:43.45 | mrwoody | is there a bash for oz? |
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| 19:46.38 | kryhme|homework | ibot bash |
| 19:46.38 | | sh-compatible command language interpreter. URL: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/ |
| 19:46.53 | kryhme|homework | heh |
| 19:46.57 | kryhme|homework | ibot zsi bash |
| 19:47.07 | kryhme|homework | mrwoody: there ya go |
| 19:47.33 | mrwoody | kryhme|homework: thanks, but i asked for oz |
| 19:48.08 | mrwoody | kryhme|homework: and anyway i cannot see any bash |
| 19:48.56 | kryhme|homework | you're losing me |
| 19:49.09 | mrwoody | if i am not wrong, in the sharp rom it is the default shell... but on oz i cannot see it |
| 19:49.31 | mrwoody | kryhme|homework: do you know of any package like bash***.ipk? |
| 19:50.28 | kryhme|homework | on oz bash isn't installed by default because it's too huge. i'm sure there's a way to install it, let me poke for a second |
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| 19:51.30 | kryhme|homework | ibot zfi bash |
| 19:51.42 | kryhme|homework | ah, there it is... hook it up |
| 19:53.00 | mrwoody | nice... thank you |
| 20:02.04 | mrwoody | kryhme|homework: do you know how to make bash as the default shell? |
| 20:11.58 | kryhme|homework | mrwoody: no i don't i thought about installing it, but then never did. plus that involves some knowledge about linux i don't have |
| 20:13.01 | mrwoody | kryhme|homework: it works nice... so i would suggest it |
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| 20:21.12 | kergoth | god this qt/x11 3.1 compile is taking a long fucking time |
| 20:23.12 | kergoth | mrwoody: to set the default shell in opie, you'll want to set SHELL=bash in /etc/profile, or use opie-login which sets the SHELL env var to what your shell is in passwd |
| 20:23.36 | mrwoody | kergoth: thanks... why isn't it the default shell? |
| 20:24.51 | kergoth | mrwoody: because i'm not going to waste 600k of flash on it when its not necessary |
| 20:24.54 | kergoth | mrwoody: busybox ash provides what most people need, other than the command history which is retained across sessions |
| 20:24.54 | mrwoody | kergoth: that is right... but what about if i install it in the cf card... |
| 20:24.55 | kergoth | what about it? |
| 20:24.55 | mrwoody | would you advice that? |
| 20:25.14 | mrwoody | it is nice to have scripts |
| 20:25.17 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:25.27 | kergoth | most shell scripts dont depend on bash specific functions, firstly |
| 20:25.33 | kergoth | second, you can isntall it wherever you want. |
| 20:25.45 | kergoth | if i set the default shell to bash, and dont include bash, you wont be able to pull up a konsole |
| 20:25.50 | kergoth | which would break functionality |
| 20:26.06 | kergoth | and as I said i'm not including bash by default for space reasons |
| 20:26.24 | mrwoody | i see.. thanks |
| 20:27.18 | mrwoody | i wanted to say: would you discourage from installing in a cf card and make it as a default shell? |
| 20:27.37 | kergoth | well, you wont be able to login at console when your shell doesnt exist |
| 20:27.53 | kergoth | and you wont be able to pull up konsole fro the same reasons |
| 20:27.56 | kergoth | if your card isnt in |
| 20:28.41 | mrwoody | that is right... in my case my cf card is almost there... but i can understand that it might be risky |
| 20:28.56 | kergoth | s/almost/always/? |
| 20:28.57 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:29.33 | mrwoody | :-) yes... at the moment always there... but i was thinking to get a ethernet card |
| 20:29.41 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:31.09 | mrwoody | kergoth: did you have some time to allow people to use user different from root? |
| 20:31.29 | kergoth | mrwoody: well, it'll work, but there may be kinks and tweaks necessary, as I havent had time to iron that out |
| 20:31.46 | mrwoody | ok |
| 20:36.42 | mrwoody | kergoth: how to use passwd to change shell (i have tried passwd -s, but doesnt work) |
| 20:36.51 | kergoth | mrwoody: why not just vi /etc/passwd? |
| 20:37.04 | kergoth | mrwoody: or use usermod |
| 20:37.11 | mrwoody | ok |
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| 20:37.33 | kergoth | hey jmhodges |
| 20:39.40 | jmhodges | hey kergoth |
| 20:39.59 | Cloudchaser_ | hello |
| 20:40.05 | kergoth | hi cloud |
| 20:40.07 | kergoth | how are ya |
| 20:40.18 | chouimat | kergoth: calm down |
| 20:40.23 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:40.36 | jmhodges | lol' |
| 20:40.37 | kergoth | watched the princess bride earlier, love that movie |
| 20:40.39 | Cloudchaser_ | not too bad...just got home from an lug meeting...its a miserable rainy night |
| 20:40.43 | jmhodges | heheh kergoth nice |
| 20:40.45 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: ah that sucks |
| 20:41.13 | Cloudchaser_ | interesting though..course i found out yet again how little i know ;) |
| 20:41.30 | kergoth | "You fell victum to one of the classic blunders! The most famous of which is never get involved in a land war in asia.. but only slightly less well known is this: never go in against a sicilian when *death* is on the line!! hahahahah -dies-" |
| 20:42.10 | Cloudchaser_ | alrighty then ;) |
| 20:42.15 | jmhodges | lol kergoth |
| 20:42.17 | chouimat | kergoth: huh? |
| 20:42.19 | kergoth | never seen the princess bride? |
| 20:42.21 | kergoth | go watch it |
| 20:42.24 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:42.25 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 20:42.29 | jmhodges | god i love that scene |
| 20:42.37 | chouimat | kergoth: who play in it? |
| 20:42.46 | kergoth | i love that movie, because it has humor, action, and romance |
| 20:43.07 | kergoth | chouimat: its from the 80s.. fred savage, andre the giant, billy crystal, etc |
| 20:43.13 | kergoth | afaicr |
| 20:43.17 | jmhodges | man its funny as hell |
| 20:43.23 | jmhodges | dont let those names fool you |
| 20:43.25 | jmhodges | its hilarious |
| 20:43.31 | kergoth | Bye bye boys! |
| 20:43.34 | kergoth | Have fun storming the castle! |
| 20:43.38 | kergoth | thats a classic line |
| 20:43.41 | chouimat | kergoth: ok that one. I didn't know the english title |
| 20:43.50 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:44.07 | kergoth | "We'll never survive." |
| 20:44.16 | kergoth | "Nonsense, you're only saying that because no-one ever has." |
| 20:44.20 | chouimat | kergoth: we need a cape and a "brouette" to storm the castler |
| 20:44.31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:45.21 | kergoth | its one of my favorite movies |
| 20:45.36 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 20:45.50 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 20:45.50 | kergoth | "...it has occurred to me that a man need know but two sentences to survive. |
| 20:45.51 | kergoth | The first to ask for food, the second to tell a woman he loves her. If he |
| 20:45.51 | kergoth | must dispense with one or the other, by all means let it be the first. For |
| 20:45.51 | kergoth | surely, if you tell a woman you love her, she will feed you." |
| 20:45.53 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.05 | chouimat | ouch |
| 20:46.41 | chouimat | fuck I don't have /usr/share/fortune/off |
| 20:46.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:46.50 | kergoth | install it :) |
| 20:47.11 | kergoth | oh sweet, sandman optimized liquid for handhelds |
| 20:47.14 | jmhodges | heheeh |
| 20:47.17 | kergoth | wonder if its fast enough to be usable now |
| 20:47.24 | mrwoody | kergoth: my opie-login screw up... it starts rotated |
| 20:47.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:47.33 | kergoth | mrwoody: lol |
| 20:47.41 | kergoth | mrwoody: that shouldnt be possible.. |
| 20:47.42 | kergoth | weird |
| 20:47.51 | kergoth | IF YOU SHOULD DIE, DIE IN WINTER! |
| 20:47.51 | mrwoody | kergoth: :-) the funny thing is that it is not a joke |
| 20:47.54 | mrwoody | :-) |
| 20:47.54 | kergoth | god i talk to much |
| 20:48.00 | kergoth | mrwoody: yes, i know, but still funny |
| 20:48.03 | kergoth | mrwoody: i'll test it on mine |
| 20:48.04 | mrwoody | and i don't even have opie-rotate |
| 20:48.27 | chouimat | A woman employs sincerity only when every other form of deception has failed. |
| 20:48.31 | chouimat | --scott |
| 20:48.41 | kergoth | chouimat: so true |
| 20:48.49 | Cloudchaser_ | yah ok |
| 20:48.54 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: hehe |
| 20:48.59 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: no offense ;) |
| 20:49.08 | Cloudchaser_ | of course not |
| 20:49.19 | chouimat | vaginal lubricant, n.: A slitty slicker. |
| 20:49.25 | mrwoody | Let me take you a button-hole lower. |
| 20:49.25 | mrwoody | -- William Shakespeare, "Love's Labour's Lost" |
| 20:51.47 | kergoth | haha |
| 20:51.47 | kergoth | You know it's going to be a bad day when you want to put on the clothes |
| 20:51.48 | kergoth | you wore home from the party and there aren't any. |
| 20:52.55 | ljp- | hmm |
| 20:53.49 | ljp- | eww my cat just sneezed in my face |
| 20:53.58 | kergoth | I come from a small town whose population never changed. Each time a woman |
| 20:53.58 | kergoth | got pregnant, someone left town. |
| 20:53.58 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.04 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 20:58.10 | mrwoody | shit tomorrow is morning |
| 20:58.19 | mrwoody | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.27 | kergoth | and its monday too |
| 20:58.30 | kergoth | monday morning no less |
| 20:58.33 | kergoth | which is much worse |
| 20:58.42 | badl | I come from a small town which dont sell zaurus. Each time someone comes shopping, they leave without a zaurus! |
| 20:58.58 | mrwoody | kergoth: well depends... i can wake up at 1pm, maybe |
| 20:59.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:00.15 | kergoth | Quality control, n.: |
| 21:00.15 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.15 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.39 | ljp- | wow kdevelop 3 is nice |
| 21:01.45 | kergoth | is it? |
| 21:01.49 | kergoth | i havent tried it yet |
| 21:02.03 | ljp- | it can handle pro files now |
| 21:02.08 | kergoth | oh nice. |
| 21:03.47 | kergoth | How do I type "for i in *.dvi do xdvi $i done" in a GUI? |
| 21:03.47 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.29 | ljp- | it needs users highlight words, I think still |
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| 21:05.39 | chouimat | kergoth: Q. Why does Helen Keller masturbate with one hand? |
| 21:05.48 | kergoth | hah, why? |
| 21:06.07 | chouimat | a: So she can moan with the other! |
| 21:06.14 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:07.00 | chouimat | Reality is an obstacle to hallucination |
| 21:08.20 | chouimat | confusion, n: Father's Day in San Francisco |
| 21:10.09 | kolla | :)) |
| 21:11.50 | kergoth | Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. |
| 21:11.50 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.35 | chouimat | kergoth: currently watching angel. Damn! that chick is hot (Cordelia) |
| 21:15.48 | kergoth | yup |
| 21:16.40 | chouimat | As the dirty teddy bear will said: I got a stiffy that won't quit |
| 21:20.16 | chouimat | The word "spine" is, of course, an anagram of "penis". This is true in almost fifty percent of the languages of the galaxy, and many people have attempted to explain why. Usually these explanations get bogged down to silly puns about "standing erect". |
| 21:20.47 | chouimat | -- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" |
| 21:21.51 | chouimat | kergoth: I love that quote :P |
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| 21:28.00 | kergoth | "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the |
| 21:28.00 | kergoth | machinations of the wicked." |
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| 22:41.35 | chouimat|Zzzzzzz | night |
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| 23:08.57 | guised | is there a website out there for crow's rom |
| 23:09.02 | guised | i wanted to find out more abou it ;) |
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| 23:44.11 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | ZAURUS | SEX | FUN | BEER | send those cool screenshots to ozshots@themastermind1.net | NEW! screenshots section finally added to website. send your submissions in today! |
| 23:47.02 | EditorGarfield | I don't believe this. |
| 23:47.04 | EditorGarfield | I really don't. |
| 23:48.12 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
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| 23:52.48 | EditorGarfield | The nano in the Mandrake 9 contribs is completely borked. |
| 23:53.01 | EditorGarfield | How can NANO be buggy? It's not like it's a complicated program, nor a new program. |