| 00:01.47 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
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| 00:02.39 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: found any trace of pine in mdk9? |
| 00:03.42 | billytwowilly | it's not there... |
| 00:05.16 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't use mandrak |
| 00:05.17 | TheMasterMind1 | e |
| 00:05.31 | TheMasterMind1 | pine and pico binaries are illegal to distribute |
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| 00:05.45 | EditorGarfield | False. |
| 00:05.55 | EditorGarfield | MODIFIED binaries are illegal to distribute. |
| 00:06.09 | billytwowilly | I like pico. |
| 00:06.13 | EditorGarfield | Me too. |
| 00:06.22 | Piete{zaurus} | me2 |
| 00:06.22 | EditorGarfield | pico, nano, they're my favorite text-mode editors. |
| 00:06.27 | billytwowilly | probably my fav from the command line. |
| 00:06.38 | billytwowilly | I haven't tried nano. it's pretty similar though isn't it? |
| 00:06.48 | EditorGarfield | nano = GPLed pico clone. |
| 00:07.05 | EditorGarfield | I think nano's sole reason to exist was to have a GPLed pico clone in Debian. :-) |
| 00:07.09 | Piete{zaurus} | l use nano on the z |
| 00:07.25 | billytwowilly | pico isn't gpl? |
| 00:07.44 | billytwowilly | what license is pico dist under? |
| 00:07.44 | EditorGarfield | Nope. |
| 00:07.45 | Piete{zaurus} | man handwriting ls slow |
| 00:07.53 | Piete{zaurus} | lol |
| 00:07.58 | EditorGarfield | pico is copyright Wash U. |
| 00:08.11 | billytwowilly | Piete{zaurus}: go bitch at www.pocketop.net for not putting out drivers for the Z |
| 00:08.24 | EditorGarfield | You can distribute unedited source and binaries, and modify for yourself, but can't distribute modified source or binary. |
| 00:08.34 | billytwowilly | that stinks... |
| 00:08.35 | EditorGarfield | But you CAN distribute the source, a patch for the source, and a script to run the patch. Go figure. |
| 00:09.43 | Piete{zaurus} | haha IRC with hw recognition is hard |
| 00:10.06 | billytwowilly | wait a second. visa has been a common word for several hundred years has it not? |
| 00:10.21 | Piete{zaurus} | ya |
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| 00:11.06 | Piete{zaurus} | @ least i think so |
| 00:11.19 | billytwowilly | thought so. I wish I could insert a "YOU americans are SCREWED up when it comes to copyrights and patents" remark here, but Canada is getting similarly bad... |
| 00:11.31 | billytwowilly | http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,56432,00.html |
| 00:11.34 | Piete{zaurus} | lol |
| 00:11.38 | EditorGarfield | :-) |
| 00:11.47 | billytwowilly | www.evisa.com is now the property of visa. |
| 00:12.19 | billytwowilly | it's getting to the point that it's ridiculous. |
| 00:12.39 | EditorGarfield | It got to that point years ago. |
| 00:12.42 | Piete{zaurus} | send that link again pls |
| 00:12.50 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.55 | Piete{zaurus} | ta |
| 00:13.03 | EditorGarfield | Anyone know if ML has comments? |
| 00:13.06 | billytwowilly | yah, I suppose so, I just wasn't old enough to relize it... |
| 00:13.35 | billytwowilly | I think trademarks of common words should all be rescinded. visa, windows, office, etc. |
| 00:13.45 | billytwowilly | if it's in the dictionary you shouldn't be able to trademark it. |
| 00:13.55 | Piete{zaurus} | yea |
| 00:14.38 | billytwowilly | unfortunately, I don't have the billions of dollars afforded me by being the premier credit card company, so my ideas are gonna amount to jack squat... |
| 00:14.52 | billytwowilly | does it get any less blindingly frustrating as you get older? |
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| 00:16.03 | Piete | ok |
| 00:16.04 | Piete | fine |
| 00:16.43 | Piete | I admit it, IRC on the zaurus connected to the net over USB using handwrting is too had |
| 00:16.48 | Piete | hard even |
| 00:16.56 | Piete | lol |
| 00:16.59 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone here live in/near CT? |
| 00:17.11 | billytwowilly | CT? |
| 00:17.17 | Piete | ok, I'm not gonna ask again, give me that link again please, I'm on a real computer now :) |
| 00:17.37 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.46 | Piete | thanks :P |
| 00:17.54 | billytwowilly | heh, you want me to emboss it on my arse and come over and moon you or something??;) |
| 00:18.02 | Piete | lol |
| 00:18.41 | Piete | I just wanted to start the clipboard applet (so I can paste the link in konq/e) on the zaurus, and opie crashed |
| 00:19.20 | beattie | MS lost it's windows trademrak |
| 00:19.30 | Piete | really?! |
| 00:19.46 | billytwowilly | visa should lose that trademark. |
| 00:19.56 | beattie | yep they tried to use a trademark infringment suite against lindows and lost |
| 00:20.11 | Piete | ahahahahahah |
| 00:20.20 | Piete | great :D |
| 00:20.32 | billytwowilly | atleast mastercard had the mild creativeness of putting two common words together without spaces.. |
| 00:21.07 | Piete | lol |
| 00:21.09 | beattie | well they should lose it except for it's use in credit/debit cards |
| 00:21.37 | beattie | well visa used to be Bank Americard |
| 00:21.52 | billytwowilly | I don't think so. Visa is a common word that was in use in common language WAY before visa. |
| 00:21.52 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh, more screenshots |
| 00:21.53 | TheMasterMind1 | yay |
| 00:22.04 | TheMasterMind1 | wow, these look good |
| 00:22.11 | TheMasterMind1 | not too much transparency, that looks awful |
| 00:22.20 | beattie | TheMasterMind1: where? |
| 00:22.31 | TheMasterMind1 | someone emailed me em |
| 00:22.41 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't put em on the webpage yet because SF is still mounted readly |
| 00:22.42 | TheMasterMind1 | readonly |
| 00:22.58 | TheMasterMind1 | Piete sent me em |
| 00:23.13 | beattie | he sulks |
| 00:23.16 | billytwowilly | how big are they? |
| 00:23.20 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 00:23.24 | TheMasterMind1 | big? |
| 00:23.25 | Piete | TheMasterMind1: I just got my Z online |
| 00:23.26 | billytwowilly | the screenshots. |
| 00:23.30 | billytwowilly | total file size. |
| 00:23.33 | Piete | TheMasterMind1: so I thought I'd send them |
| 00:23.33 | TheMasterMind1 | um, no idea |
| 00:23.36 | Piete | arounf 30 kb |
| 00:23.57 | billytwowilly | care to do a lil' mass mail to the salivating #openzaurus peops?;) |
| 00:24.10 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 00:24.32 | TheMasterMind1 | anyways, i'm out |
| 00:24.34 | TheMasterMind1 | need sleep |
| 00:24.58 | Piete | bye |
| 00:26.03 | billytwowilly | hehehehehehehe, I just figured out that I need only two more things to be content in this life. |
| 00:26.30 | billytwowilly | an sl-5600 and britney spears to star in some soft core porn;) |
| 00:26.49 | billytwowilly | anyone here using kgutenbrowser? |
| 00:27.07 | Piete | I need to get a life first |
| 00:27.51 | billytwowilly | heh, I'm happy with my life, except for those two things;) |
| 00:28.34 | beattie | I need a job |
| 00:28.39 | TMM1[zzz] | heh, you would rather pictures of softcore porn than seeing it live? |
| 00:28.51 | Piete | beattie: likewise |
| 00:28.57 | TMM1[zzz] | jobs are overrated |
| 00:29.06 | billytwowilly | softcore porn video. |
| 00:29.10 | Piete | beattie: only after I get a job will I even remotely qualify for a life |
| 00:29.10 | beattie | poverty is underrated |
| 00:29.21 | TMM1[zzz] | hell, life is overrated. death is underrated |
| 00:29.23 | billytwowilly | live is good while it's happening, but you can't rewind;) |
| 00:29.24 | TMM1[zzz] | and with that, i sleep |
| 00:29.38 | beattie | Piete: I can't afford one either right now |
| 00:29.43 | Piete | billytwowilly: stop that, youre making me depressed |
| 00:30.16 | billytwowilly | ok, I'm really a sad, depressed, lonely old fat man... boohoo.. I'm so sad.... |
| 00:30.27 | billytwowilly | that make you feel better?;) |
| 00:31.56 | Piete | NOW i feel better |
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| 00:32.45 | billytwowilly | hehehehehehehehehehe, well, the only true thing I said in there was the fat part.. I was trying to cheer you up through the "well atleast I'm not as sad as that miserable person" syndrome;) |
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| 00:33.12 | Piete | billytwowilly: heh |
| 00:33.21 | Piete | billytwowilly: thanks for letting me shoot at you :) |
| 00:33.36 | billytwowilly | no problem, you're american, it's what you guys do;) |
| 00:33.43 | billytwowilly | atleast I assume you're american. |
| 00:33.54 | Piete | *BZZZT* wrong |
| 00:33.57 | billytwowilly | I just saw bowling for columbine. one of the best movies I've seen. |
| 00:34.02 | billytwowilly | oh? french? |
| 00:34.12 | Piete | lets play 20 questions, see if you can guess |
| 00:34.22 | Piete | I only answer yes or no |
| 00:34.32 | billytwowilly | ok. |
| 00:34.47 | billytwowilly | are you from north america? |
| 00:35.02 | Piete | no |
| 00:35.09 | billytwowilly | you're british. |
| 00:35.11 | Piete | no |
| 00:35.19 | billytwowilly | that wasn't a question;) |
| 00:35.23 | billytwowilly | it doesn't count;) |
| 00:35.26 | Piete | ok |
| 00:35.27 | Piete | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.28 | Piete | :P |
| 00:35.53 | billytwowilly | are you from a country that is part of the EU? |
| 00:35.59 | Piete | no |
| 00:36.10 | billytwowilly | are you from south america? |
| 00:36.16 | Piete | no |
| 00:36.25 | billytwowilly | polish. |
| 00:36.38 | Piete | nope |
| 00:36.46 | Piete | (that was not a question, I know) |
| 00:36.47 | billytwowilly | heh;) I tricked you again;) that wasn't a question either;) |
| 00:36.55 | billytwowilly | doh.. silly slow typing;) |
| 00:37.27 | billytwowilly | hmm. does your country have more or less land mass than the united states? |
| 00:37.47 | Rince | . o O (Antarctica) |
| 00:37.50 | Piete | less |
| 00:37.54 | Piete | Rince: hehehe |
| 00:38.23 | billytwowilly | spain. |
| 00:38.30 | Piete | (that was not a question, I know) (no) |
| 00:38.34 | Rince | spain is within the EU |
| 00:38.45 | billytwowilly | hehehehehe. I can't remember all the countries in the EU... |
| 00:39.03 | billytwowilly | does your country have more or less people that the US? |
| 00:39.09 | Piete | less |
| 00:39.20 | billytwowilly | greek |
| 00:39.24 | Piete | (that was not a question, I know) (no) |
| 00:39.46 | billytwowilly | I want to guess Ukraine, but I can't remember if that's part of the EU. |
| 00:39.54 | Piete | thats wrong too |
| 00:40.27 | billytwowilly | I bet I should have guessed UK instead of britain right? |
| 00:40.39 | Piete | wrong too |
| 00:41.01 | billytwowilly | is english your first language? |
| 00:41.24 | Piete | no |
| 00:41.52 | billytwowilly | is it one of those countries that were formerly part of the USSR? |
| 00:42.03 | Piete | no |
| 00:42.12 | billytwowilly | are you asian? |
| 00:42.30 | Piete | no |
| 00:42.58 | billytwowilly | I give up, all the countries that I'm thinking of don't have decent net access, let alone a store that would sell you a zaurus.. |
| 00:43.06 | Piete | HAHAHA |
| 00:43.11 | Piete | ok, heres the story |
| 00:43.18 | billytwowilly | congratulations. you've stumped me. |
| 00:43.21 | Piete | I'm south african |
| 00:43.25 | Piete | and I live in South Korea |
| 00:43.33 | billytwowilly | ahh. |
| 00:43.56 | Rince | billytwowilly: the IP would have told you at least Korea :-) |
| 00:44.09 | billytwowilly | so the asian thing threw me off then. I should have asked if you lived in an asian country. |
| 00:44.16 | billytwowilly | Rince: that's cheating;) |
| 00:44.21 | billytwowilly | yah big cheater;) |
| 00:44.25 | Rince | cheating? no :-) |
| 00:44.32 | Piete | billytwowilly: either would have been correct |
| 00:45.15 | billytwowilly | the zaurus thing pretty much ruled out south africa in my mind and the no to the asian thing ruled out the asian countries... |
| 00:45.34 | Piete | lol |
| 00:46.24 | Piete | well, to tell you the truth, I bought my Zaurus over the net from the US |
| 00:46.24 | billytwowilly | not from a japanese online store? |
| 00:46.50 | billytwowilly | was shipping more than the actual zaurus? |
| 00:47.09 | Piete | nah |
| 00:47.20 | billytwowilly | expensive though eh? |
| 00:47.25 | Rince | Hmmm... |
| 00:47.26 | Piete | I got my zaurus for 300 bux + wifi + cf +sf + leather case |
| 00:47.38 | Piete | and 40 for shipping |
| 00:47.45 | Rince | ipkg-question: when I tell him that destination is mtdram (==/mnt/ram), why is he still installing into / ? |
| 00:47.49 | billytwowilly | 300 for zaurus plus all of that? |
| 00:47.57 | billytwowilly | I'd like the url for that online store;) |
| 00:48.06 | Piete | Rince: its prolly just symlinks |
| 00:48.15 | Rince | Piete: it isn't, I just checked... |
| 00:48.19 | Piete | billytwowilly: i got it second hand from some guy |
| 00:48.25 | billytwowilly | ebay? |
| 00:48.35 | Piete | billytwowilly: but everything was used for only 2 months, and was in great condition |
| 00:48.41 | Piete | billytwowilly: Zaurus Zone |
| 00:48.57 | billytwowilly | oh? I didn't realize zaurus' were sold on zaurus zone. |
| 00:49.12 | Piete | I found him on the message board |
| 00:50.08 | billytwowilly | i'm gonna go take a look then;) |
| 00:50.23 | billytwowilly | although I will most likely wait for the 5600. |
| 00:50.24 | Piete | heh |
| 00:53.32 | Piete | whats up with konq/e, it keeps saying malformed url if I don't have http://www in front of an addy |
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| 07:13.53 | schurig | hi |
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| 07:16.08 | benmeyer | Morning |
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| 07:40.09 | schurig | moin ben! |
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| 07:49.21 | noda | Moo! |
| 07:56.23 | noda | lol, already created 8 admin groups :) |
| 07:56.45 | noda | Make that 9 |
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| 08:20.37 | kergoth | hey |
| 08:20.51 | noda | kergoth: Hallo :) |
| 08:20.56 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 08:20.57 | noda | kergoth: I'm implementing proper admin groups :) |
| 08:21.05 | noda | I've got 9 so far - much better than having just 1, eh! :) |
| 08:21.06 | kergoth | nice |
| 08:21.29 | noda | I've also got laid out in my mind a plan to make the admin pages more modular and easier to write. |
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| 08:24.41 | kolla | admin groups for what? |
| 08:25.07 | kergoth | kolla: openzaurus.org |
| 08:25.15 | kolla | oh |
| 08:25.22 | kolla | I thought /etc/groups :) |
| 08:25.43 | noda | Nah, it's so that people who do FAQ's don't have permission to release the testing branch, for example :) |
| 08:25.53 | noda | Or delete the unstable branch :) |
| 08:26.25 | numatrix | People like me, for example. :-) |
| 08:26.31 | noda | Exactly :) |
| 08:26.57 | noda | Not that it's hard at all to hack into the DB :( |
| 08:31.08 | kergoth | benmeyer: any news from the ibiz folks? |
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| 08:34.26 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 08:35.22 | noda | kergoth: What's wrong with 'em? :) |
| 08:35.26 | noda | kergoth: I compiled yesterday no prob |
| 08:35.34 | noda | (Well, I had probs but I fixed them, they were with my system) |
| 08:36.01 | kergoth | ../dcop/dcopidl/dcopidl ../../kdecore/ksycoca.h > ksycoca.kidl || ( rm -f ksycoca.kidl ; /bin/false ) |
| 08:36.05 | kergoth | ../dcop/dcopidl/dcopidl: relocation error: ../dcop/dcopidl/dcopidl: undefined symbol: _ZTI7QGArray |
| 08:36.08 | kergoth | ideas? |
| 08:36.17 | kergoth | could be something on my box, just dunno what |
| 08:36.17 | noda | You have QT3.1? |
| 08:36.21 | kergoth | yep |
| 08:36.28 | kergoth | freshly built last night |
| 08:36.34 | Piete | hey kergoth :) |
| 08:36.38 | kergoth | hmm |
| 08:36.49 | noda | kergoth: And you started kdelibs from scratch *after* that? :) |
| 08:36.56 | kergoth | yep |
| 08:36.58 | schurig | kergoth: I rebuild KDE from time to time from CVSUP, usually works |
| 08:37.06 | noda | Well, first of all I'll check if it's broken right now on my box I guess :) |
| 08:37.10 | kergoth | schurig: thats what i usually do, but decided to ttry cvs again |
| 08:37.16 | kergoth | hmm |
| 08:37.20 | Piete{zaurus} | hey kergoth :) |
| 08:37.23 | kergoth | hey piete |
| 08:37.25 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 08:37.47 | noda | Nah, it's something with your system. |
| 08:37.50 | Piete | I'm online on the zaurus :DD |
| 08:37.51 | kergoth | grr |
| 08:37.53 | kergoth | damnit |
| 08:37.57 | noda | So now you gotta go 'nm'-ing like mad :) |
| 08:38.05 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 08:38.13 | noda | I had problems with some libraries on my system still being compiled against glibc-2.2 |
| 08:38.22 | noda | And X11 having an old version of zlib. |
| 08:38.35 | noda | And some old freetype includes :) |
| 08:39.01 | noda | But it compiled in the end :) |
| 08:39.07 | Piete | my qt3 went bezerk, everything is *white* its really strange |
| 08:39.22 | Piete | everything works, but everything is white |
| 08:39.24 | Piete | lol |
| 08:39.36 | noda | Hrm, I wonder: Should I keep qt3? |
| 08:39.54 | Piete | opera is white, qtdesk is white, konq is white.. its damn ugly |
| 08:40.00 | noda | 150MB that I probably won't use, and I'm running low on space :( |
| 08:41.13 | Piete | is it safe to upgrade the zaurus over the itnernet from within AQPKG (selecting oz3, pressing the upgrade button) |
| 08:41.17 | Piete | internet even |
| 08:41.37 | kergoth | Piete: aqpkg upgrade calls ipkg upgrade, which borks on packages installed to places other than root |
| 08:41.41 | kergoth | Piete: umount your media first |
| 08:42.11 | *** join/#openzaurus DaJoker (~joker@wsip68-15-140-158.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 08:42.25 | Piete | kergoth: ok, so unmount sd/cf(mtdram too?) and then its safe? |
| 08:42.34 | kergoth | yep |
| 08:42.35 | noda | Yeah, just like ipkg upgrade. |
| 08:42.40 | Piete | or go to console, and use ipkg upgrade manualy? |
| 08:43.16 | Piete | hey DaJoker |
| 08:43.23 | kergoth | hm, i think i'm going to try out gentoo today, see how it compares to debian |
| 08:43.40 | ljp_work | its nicer if you compile everything |
| 08:43.47 | noda | kergoth: Bad idea, it's a Monday :) |
| 08:43.51 | kergoth | noda: doh, good point |
| 08:43.52 | ljp_work | needs a better instal method |
| 08:43.57 | noda | What, gentoo? |
| 08:44.04 | ljp_work | ya |
| 08:44.10 | noda | It copies over devel libs and then compiles itself on your system, how could it be easier? :) |
| 08:44.11 | kergoth | welp, I was about to start recompiling my entire debian box with gcc3.2/glibc2.3.1 to test prelinking |
| 08:44.12 | ljp_work | IMHO |
| 08:44.18 | kergoth | then I realized that this is going to be a huge bitch |
| 08:44.21 | kergoth | to put it nicely |
| 08:44.23 | noda | kergoth: It is a huge bitch :) |
| 08:44.31 | kergoth | yes |
| 08:44.32 | kergoth | :) |
| 08:44.34 | noda | kergoth: You'd basically be making it a kergoth-distro box and not a debian box :) |
| 08:45.21 | ljp_work | get the latest gentoo, and it uses gcc3 |
| 08:45.22 | kergoth | well, it could be debian |
| 08:45.22 | kergoth | but i'd have to ensure all the package dependencies are correct |
| 08:45.22 | noda | :) |
| 08:45.22 | kergoth | i.e. packages using stl need to depend on libcstdc++5, not libcstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 08:45.22 | noda | Heh, that'd be a HUGE bitch :) |
| 08:45.22 | kergoth | and similarly for other packages depending on c++ libs |
| 08:45.22 | kergoth | since its c++ shit i'm concerned with |
| 08:45.52 | ljp_work | I installed gentoo with the most binary install I could |
| 08:46.06 | kergoth | the stl thing wouldnt be too bad, I could just start rebuilding shit, a package at a time |
| 08:46.12 | kergoth | apt is what i'd have to start with |
| 08:46.16 | kergoth | as i dont want apt to explode |
| 08:46.18 | kergoth | hmm |
| 08:47.33 | ljp_work | remember emerge -s |
| 08:48.00 | noda | I tried gentoo for about 5 hours and it was nice. |
| 08:48.18 | noda | But I still prefer to compile everything completely manually, fuck package managers of ANY sort :) |
| 08:48.40 | kergoth | bah, i've maintained enough machines that i never install anything outside the package manager's control |
| 08:48.46 | kergoth | with the exception of crosscopmiler toolchains |
| 08:48.58 | noda | Heh, you've learned the lesson I haven't learned yet then :) |
| 08:49.06 | jmhodges | heehhe |
| 08:49.13 | Piete | heh, NOTHING on this box has anything to do with a pkg manager :) |
| 08:49.24 | noda | Piete: Ditto :) |
| 08:49.24 | Piete | everything is just plain good ole ./configure make make install |
| 08:49.28 | kergoth | maintainance of a machine you didnt set up, that wasnt done using a package management system, is a bitch |
| 08:49.34 | kergoth | to put it -very- mildly |
| 08:49.35 | noda | Well, actually there are still about 20 packages Slackware thinks it controls :) |
| 08:49.46 | noda | kergoth: True dat. |
| 08:49.49 | Piete | kergoth: I agree, but this is *my* box :P |
| 08:49.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:49.57 | noda | Piete: Ditto :) |
| 08:50.06 | Piete | noda: likewise :) only the base packages are slack packs :) |
| 08:50.07 | noda | So kergoth, what's the best package manager? Have you tried 'em all? :) |
| 08:50.16 | kergoth | i dont need to make my brain a package management database |
| 08:50.22 | kergoth | i've got enough shit to deal with |
| 08:50.24 | noda | Piete: rofl, my base packages aren't slack. But I forgot to do an uninstall before overwriting them :P |
| 08:50.24 | kergoth | :) |
| 08:50.32 | noda | So Slack *thinks* they're slack :) |
| 08:50.37 | Piete | lol |
| 08:51.12 | noda | lol, it thinks it's got control of bash, bc, binutils, ... |
| 08:51.14 | Piete | noda: check out "check install" it can make anything you compile into a slackpack, deb, or rpm. so you build it,, but you can easily manage ti |
| 08:51.15 | Piete | it |
| 08:51.33 | Piete | I have not tried it yet tho |
| 08:51.37 | Piete | but I hear its good |
| 08:51.38 | noda | Piete: But I don't WANT to have packages :) |
| 08:51.39 | kergoth | thats what i do, worst case, with debian's existing tools |
| 08:51.43 | kergoth | i just build a package out of eveyrthing |
| 08:51.57 | noda | So, kergoth, is dpkg the best? :) |
| 08:51.59 | kergoth | cd blah; deb-make; debuild; |
| 08:52.06 | kergoth | noda: i've never touched gentoo |
| 08:52.11 | noda | kergoth: Have you tried RPM? |
| 08:52.12 | kergoth | I've used the rest of the linux package managers |
| 08:52.19 | kergoth | I also havent touched the BSD's in ages |
| 08:52.22 | noda | And what other ones are out there? :) |
| 08:52.30 | kergoth | so I havent seen ports recently |
| 08:52.39 | Piete | ipkg, you forgot it!! |
| 08:52.41 | Piete | :P |
| 08:52.58 | kergoth | ipkg behaves like dpkg, its just smaller scale |
| 08:52.59 | noda | Heh |
| 08:53.00 | Piete | nah, I love those 'setup.exe' ones |
| 08:53.13 | kergoth | rpm4 and dpkg are similar functionality wise |
| 08:53.14 | Piete | :p |
| 08:53.18 | kergoth | rpm3 couldnt compare.. at all. |
| 08:53.20 | noda | Heh, it's funny that Windows still doesn't have a package manager. It's so... backwards :) |
| 08:53.42 | kergoth | I prefer dpkg, primarily as I prefer its tools for biulding packages from source |
| 08:53.44 | schurig | And it's funny that now Linux programs come with an install.exe ... e.g. Bitkeeper or OpenOffice. Shame on them! |
| 08:53.46 | kergoth | but functionality wise, they're similar |
| 08:53.54 | noda | Cool :) |
| 08:54.01 | kergoth | schurig: i dont install openoffice with the script, i install it with a unofficial apt source |
| 08:54.04 | kergoth | schurig: :) |
| 08:54.10 | noda | I install it from source :P |
| 08:54.17 | kergoth | and bitkeeper i have a binary .deb for my personal use |
| 08:54.24 | Piete | # umount /mnt/ram |
| 08:54.25 | Piete | umount: /mnt/ram: Device or resource busy |
| 08:54.31 | kergoth | Piete: yep, something is using it |
| 08:54.32 | noda | Oh, actually I just used a tarball... actually needed it and didn't have time to compile :) |
| 08:54.33 | schurig | kergoth: Mdk 8.2 running here, apt is therefore not that useful |
| 08:54.39 | kergoth | schurig: ah. hehe. |
| 08:54.45 | kryhme | mdk 9 here |
| 08:54.47 | kryhme | :) |
| 08:54.58 | kergoth | the only thing i like about mandrake is its installer |
| 08:55.03 | kergoth | everything else pisses me off |
| 08:55.10 | kergoth | but redhat really takes the cake on things that annoy me |
| 08:55.12 | Piete | yea, its installer is schweet |
| 08:55.19 | noda | RH8 doesn't do MP3's, right? |
| 08:55.30 | noda | And not only that, but it doesn't emphasize how awesome oggs are... |
| 08:55.33 | schurig | kergoth: I have a bunch of change-the-configuration-to-my-linkings on Mdk. |
| 08:55.40 | kergoth | noda: eh? just install xmms |
| 08:55.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:55.41 | ljp_work | kergoth: install knoppix on a drive.. thats debian |
| 08:55.51 | kergoth | ljp_work: knoppix is debian? spiffy |
| 08:55.52 | noda | kergoth: The RedHat 8.0 xmms package doesn't play MP3's I've heard... |
| 08:55.58 | schurig | kergoth: I actually had this from RH4.2 till 7.1, and then from Mdk whatever till 8.2 :-) |
| 08:56.02 | kergoth | noda: who knows, i rarely use whats stock anyway |
| 08:56.04 | kergoth | noda: :) |
| 08:56.07 | Piete | ok, so opie is killed, sd cf and ram = unmounted,, I'm on the Z via SSH,, just ipkg upgrade? |
| 08:56.07 | noda | kergoth: Ditto :) |
| 08:56.10 | kergoth | redhat 8 has fucked up terminal types |
| 08:56.19 | kergoth | all sorts of annoyances |
| 08:56.21 | noda | Piete: Yep :) |
| 08:56.25 | kergoth | their Makefile in their kernel soruces is stupid |
| 08:56.30 | kergoth | SuSE did theirs right |
| 08:56.35 | kergoth | helps to ensure the kernel sources match teh running kernel |
| 08:56.41 | kryhme | but it's like no matter what you run, you can always customize... and that's the good thing |
| 08:56.43 | Piete | hah |
| 08:56.44 | kergoth | which is great for building external kernel modules |
| 08:56.55 | kergoth | god |
| 08:56.58 | kergoth | i hate YaST with a passion |
| 08:56.59 | Piete | oh happy day, I get a shitload if <package> in root is up to date |
| 08:57.01 | kergoth | its so crap |
| 08:57.06 | noda | Yes, but some distros are intrinsically easier to customize. Compare Slack/Debian/Gentoo with RedHat/Mandrake. |
| 08:57.20 | noda | Piete: Do an 'ipkg update' first |
| 08:57.22 | kergoth | I dunno, i've never had a problem customizing redhat |
| 08:57.29 | kergoth | but then, i often build my own rpms for my shit anyway |
| 08:57.42 | Piete | noda: http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/3.0/feed/Packages |
| 08:57.44 | kryhme | noda: yes, but with the latter you are just taking stuff out... and with the first set mentioned, you're starting from scratch |
| 08:57.47 | kergoth | whats funny is, after getting my RHCE, i havent touched it since |
| 08:57.48 | Piete | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.54 | kergoth | Piete: nothing has changed since release in stable. |
| 08:58.03 | noda | Piete: Well that's why... if you want the stable feed yeah, but if you want unstable change '3.0' to 'unstable' |
| 08:58.15 | Piete | okie |
| 08:58.18 | noda | RHCE? What's that? |
| 08:58.22 | kergoth | noda: you can either wait until the new stuff gets tested enough to go into stable |
| 08:58.25 | kergoth | er |
| 08:58.28 | Piete | redhat certified engineer? |
| 08:58.28 | kergoth | s/noda/piete/ |
| 08:58.31 | kergoth | yeah |
| 08:58.32 | ljp_work | *sigh* this is crazy |
| 08:58.36 | chouimat | morning |
| 08:58.39 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 08:58.40 | schurig | kergoth: I should maintain it more actively, althought it's running here, it's more a dead project on http://developer.berlios.de/project/?group_id=204 |
| 08:58.43 | noda | Wow, RH is a Microsoft clone... dunno how I like them :) |
| 08:58.49 | Piete | hey chouimat |
| 08:59.02 | noda | chouimat: Moo |
| 08:59.16 | chouimat | grrrrrrr fucking snow |
| 08:59.21 | kergoth | redhat and mandrake are perfect for beginning linux users |
| 08:59.22 | kergoth | they're easy |
| 08:59.23 | noda | chouimat: Tell me about it! |
| 08:59.23 | Piete | how unstable is unstable? |
| 08:59.27 | Piete | chouimat: send it here :) |
| 08:59.37 | kergoth | Piete: if your Z explodes into a quadrillion pieces, dont blame me. but i'm running it now :) |
| 08:59.40 | ljp_work | same source, here and at home.. the app compiled at home records things at the wrong length, only on zaurus, I get it here, compile and it works fine |
| 08:59.41 | noda | lol |
| 08:59.43 | chouimat | Piete: just came here |
| 09:00.04 | ljp_work | hmmpft |
| 09:00.04 | kergoth | ljp_work: should op2 be built against xine cvs HEAD, or are there additional patches? |
| 09:00.11 | kergoth | ljp_work: i need a gcc3.2 built op2 |
| 09:00.16 | ljp_work | xine cvs |
| 09:00.23 | kergoth | k |
| 09:00.24 | Piete | screw easy,, I used slackware from the start, even though all the easy ones were available,, thats why I can do basically anything I want, and I've been using linux for only 8 months |
| 09:00.28 | noda | kergoth: YEAH! That's what you gotta do today! If you manage that, I'll upgrade to GCC-3.2 OZ today :) |
| 09:00.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 09:00.36 | kergoth | wish me luck |
| 09:00.37 | ljp_work | there may be arm patches, but I do believe they went into xine cvs, but ask harlekin |
| 09:00.38 | kergoth | its a MONDAY |
| 09:00.39 | kergoth | !! |
| 09:00.40 | kergoth | heheh |
| 09:00.41 | noda | Heh, "from the start" :) |
| 09:00.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:00.53 | kergoth | i started on slackware in late 94 |
| 09:00.58 | kergoth | then redhat for years |
| 09:01.04 | kergoth | then debian, and havent left it since |
| 09:01.16 | noda | (Bah, I only started in 2000, I really can't brag :P) |
| 09:01.23 | schurig | I too tried slackware somewhere in the dark ages, but only for two weeks or see. Then SuSE (when it was still german-only) |
| 09:01.37 | schurig | and then RedHat because I needed something that I could use internationally ... |
| 09:01.53 | Piete | oh wait,, its monday.. in other words,, I will not switch to unstable,, my bed would prolly catch on fire if it do |
| 09:01.59 | kergoth | Piete: true that |
| 09:02.11 | schurig | I spend some time on debian, but went then back to Mdk. I'll like to try the coolness of Gentoo... |
| 09:02.20 | kergoth | i'm trying to figure out why i'm trying to rebuild kde from cvs on a monday |
| 09:02.23 | kergoth | thats just asking for trouble |
| 09:02.25 | noda | Hrm. This function accepts a list of group names as a parameter and returns whether the user has access to them. What should I call it? :) |
| 09:02.27 | kryhme | i started on slackware in 95 ... i downloaded every single file in the distribution from links on a webpage.. took me 3 weeks of clicking on files... i downloaded them all to my hard drive... and i'm like now what... never figured it out till i got to college |
| 09:02.28 | kergoth | schurig: i may try gentoo soon as well |
| 09:02.51 | kergoth | kryhme: i used cuteftp to grab it all myself |
| 09:02.55 | kergoth | kryhme: er not cute |
| 09:02.58 | Piete | ohh wait, its tuesday here already :D |
| 09:03.00 | kergoth | kryhme: wsftp |
| 09:03.05 | kergoth | Piete: you're safe! |
| 09:03.11 | noda | Piete: Bastard. I'm jealous. |
| 09:03.12 | kergoth | Piete: unless your tuesday is a MONDAY as well |
| 09:03.13 | schurig | However, for me it's quite nice to have the same distro at home than at work (here I run several WS and Servers). So I probably won't switch away from Mdk for the next forseeable time... |
| 09:03.26 | Piete | lol |
| 09:03.29 | kergoth | remember, i've had mondays that werent MONDAYS |
| 09:03.32 | kergoth | and tuesdays that were |
| 09:03.34 | kergoth | fuckers |
| 09:03.37 | Piete | abri@glorfindel:~$ date |
| 09:03.38 | Piete | Tue Nov 19 01:07:14 KST 2002 |
| 09:03.39 | Piete | yaayy! |
| 09:03.43 | noda | I've had a monday that went until Wednesday. It was a bad one. |
| 09:03.46 | kergoth | the universe just likes to fuck with you like that |
| 09:03.47 | kergoth | noda: eek |
| 09:03.55 | noda | Just a couple of weeks ago too. |
| 09:04.03 | noda | This one's okay though, my English class was cancelled. |
| 09:04.08 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 09:04.17 | kergoth | i found out my checking account is negative |
| 09:04.17 | noda | Gotta wait 'til Friday to see Girl again though :P |
| 09:04.18 | kergoth | again |
| 09:04.23 | noda | Eek! |
| 09:04.24 | kergoth | for the second time in 3 weeks |
| 09:04.30 | ljp_work | this whole last year was a Monday |
| 09:04.32 | kergoth | and, i'm a month behind on my mortgage |
| 09:04.35 | kergoth | ljp_work: haha |
| 09:04.36 | Piete | oh great, guess what I just got : You have mail from "Success Team" Win a Car of $10,000 Cash!" |
| 09:05.20 | kryhme | anyone tried qtmail? |
| 09:05.21 | noda | kergoth: No, get op2 on the unstable 3.2 feed :) |
| 09:06.12 | kergoth | I'm waiting anxiously for kde3.1 to move into sid, and for gcc3.x to become sid's main compiler |
| 09:06.13 | Piete | anyone here use Gnome2? |
| 09:06.16 | noda | kergoth: Aaaaaaah! Could you please tell me if you can 'touch moo' in your home directory on sourceforge? |
| 09:06.27 | noda | Piete: I've got the apps installed... |
| 09:06.32 | kergoth | noda: err, okay.. i know i can write files there, i did so yesterday |
| 09:06.35 | kergoth | er the day before |
| 09:06.36 | kergoth | whatever |
| 09:06.39 | noda | kergoth: Try today though |
| 09:06.42 | kergoth | k |
| 09:06.51 | Piete | noda: hows the loading time of gtk2 apps vs gtk1? |
| 09:07.05 | noda | Piete: Both are pretty much nil :) |
| 09:07.12 | kergoth | i want to prelink kde3.1 |
| 09:07.13 | Piete | :) |
| 09:07.17 | kergoth | and see how fast it runs |
| 09:07.22 | noda | Heh |
| 09:07.28 | Piete | 3.1 is gonna use the CrystalIcons |
| 09:07.31 | Piete | daymn |
| 09:07.32 | kergoth | Piete: yes, it does |
| 09:07.33 | Piete | they are soooo pretty |
| 09:07.36 | noda | Yeah, they're nice icons. |
| 09:07.38 | kergoth | Piete: and keramik is the default style |
| 09:07.41 | kergoth | its perdy |
| 09:07.41 | noda | They're not animated though, are they? |
| 09:07.47 | kergoth | animated? dear god no |
| 09:07.50 | Piete | noda:don't think so |
| 09:07.58 | noda | I like those animated icons. Bouncing question marks and stuff :) |
| 09:08.04 | kergoth | geh |
| 09:08.04 | Piete | some people use them one their zauruses |
| 09:08.09 | kergoth | i hate animated crap |
| 09:08.15 | kergoth | like people with animated gifs on their web pages |
| 09:08.18 | noda | kergoth: So, can you write to your home dir? |
| 09:08.18 | kergoth | i need to kill them |
| 09:08.20 | kergoth | slowly |
| 09:08.23 | *** join/#openzaurus prpplague (~JoeBob1@12.148.134.9) |
| 09:08.28 | Piete | noda: I bet you like watching files copy over on windows then too |
| 09:08.30 | noda | Yeah, TMM1 wanted to put animated gifs on our site :P |
| 09:08.38 | kergoth | noda: i know |
| 09:08.41 | noda | Piete: rofl... actually, I don't even use KDE. |
| 09:08.42 | kergoth | noda: i told him HELL no |
| 09:08.46 | noda | kergoth: As did I :) |
| 09:08.51 | kergoth | i dont use kde atm either |
| 09:08.52 | kergoth | i'm using fluxbox |
| 09:08.53 | noda | I use OpenBox :) |
| 09:09.01 | kergoth | but i want to try kde3.1 with prelink and see if its fast enough |
| 09:09.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:09.03 | noda | OpenBox: Fluxbox without tabs and with AA fonts :) |
| 09:09.11 | kergoth | yup |
| 09:09.11 | Piete | I used to use flux, but now I use XFCE |
| 09:09.17 | noda | Kde isn't all that slow any more... but still, you can't beat *box. |
| 09:09.17 | Piete | a nice desktop environment |
| 09:09.21 | kergoth | i want flux with AA fonts damnit |
| 09:09.22 | Piete | with a instant load time :) |
| 09:09.24 | kergoth | or openbox with tabs |
| 09:09.29 | kergoth | noda: indeed |
| 09:09.30 | Piete | kergoth: heh |
| 09:09.42 | chouimat | ok must recompile kde on 2 boxes |
| 09:09.52 | kergoth | chouimat: dont do it! its monday! |
| 09:09.53 | noda | kergoth: Erm, was that 'yup' 'yup, I can write files in my home dir on sf.net'? |
| 09:10.02 | Piete | chouimat: buy a few seconds on those new IBM supercomputers |
| 09:10.04 | kergoth | noda: no, hold on |
| 09:10.08 | noda | kergoth: Okay :) |
| 09:10.18 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm still on beta2 |
| 09:10.25 | kergoth | chouimat: me too |
| 09:10.37 | kergoth | chouimat: i was going to rebuild debian sid with gcc3.x today, until noda reminded me its monday |
| 09:10.51 | kergoth | ccache rocks |
| 09:10.56 | Piete | http://slashdot.org/articles/02/10/31/1713240.shtml?tid=136 |
| 09:11.01 | chouimat | kergoth: do you suffer from the Garfiled Syndrom? |
| 09:11.04 | noda | What's ccache? |
| 09:11.06 | Piete | google news rocks :) |
| 09:11.26 | Piete | noda: (compiler cache) |
| 09:11.55 | noda | oh, cool, speeds up compilation, I see :) |
| 09:12.03 | Piete | noda: it chaches stuff that you compiled, so next time you build something that uses the same code, it does not build it again |
| 09:12.04 | noda | Hell, coulda used that for KDE yesterday. My CPU was at 100% all day long :) |
| 09:12.10 | kergoth | noda: its great |
| 09:12.17 | kergoth | noda: you can make clean; make; and it builds the second time -fast- |
| 09:12.54 | noda | How much space does it take? |
| 09:12.57 | Piete | anyway,, its .... early |
| 09:13.04 | schurig | ibot: ccache is a compiler cache that speeds up re-compilations of same sourcecodes where only some have different sourcefiles, see http://ccache.samba.org/ |
| 09:13.04 | | okay, schurig |
| 09:13.40 | kergoth | ccache saves me so much time when i'm doing kernel stuff |
| 09:13.46 | kergoth | make a change, rebuild. make another change. rebuild. |
| 09:13.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:15.28 | schurig | ibot: ccache is a compiler cache that speeds up re-compilations of same sourcecodes where only some have different sourcefiles, see http://ccache.samba.org/ and also look for distcc |
| 09:15.28 | | ...but ccache is already something else... |
| 09:15.36 | schurig | ibot: no, ccache is a compiler cache that speeds up re-compilations of same sourcecodes where only some have different sourcefiles, see http://ccache.samba.org/ and also look for distcc |
| 09:15.36 | | okay, schurig |
| 09:15.56 | kergoth | ccache + distcc is a great combination :) |
| 09:16.07 | kergoth | noda: my connection to sf is timing out |
| 09:16.16 | noda | kergoth: Weird... |
| 09:16.31 | schurig | ibot: distcc let's you distribute compilations among several computers, see http://distcc.samba.org (you might also want to check ccache) |
| 09:16.31 | | You are moron #2, schurig |
| 09:16.38 | noda | kergoth: They've been doing some server upgrades or something recently, right? I guess they're not done yet. |
| 09:16.49 | schurig | ibot: what's a moron? |
| 09:16.49 | | i don't know, schurig |
| 09:17.16 | schurig | ibot: distcc is a tool that let's you distribute compilations among several computers, see http://distcc.samba.org (you might also want to check ccache) |
| 09:17.16 | | okay, schurig |
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| 09:28.07 | AndyQ | afternoon |
| 09:28.31 | kergoth | hey AndyQ |
| 09:28.46 | AndyQ | hows things? |
| 09:29.57 | kergoth | its monday, as well as can be expect |
| 09:29.59 | kergoth | ed |
| 09:29.59 | kergoth | ;) |
| 09:30.25 | AndyQ | heh - my Monday is just about done with (phew) |
| 09:30.49 | noda | Woo, finished the new Admin object functions :) |
| 09:31.01 | noda | Now I gotta rewrite the entire Admin section :) |
| 09:31.06 | AndyQ | kergoth: i saw in the irc logs you were ensuring that all packages in buildroot built (and having much fin with libtool while you were at it :) |
| 09:31.14 | AndyQ | whats the current status? |
| 09:32.17 | kergoth | AndyQ: afaicr everything builds but kernel-2.4.7, scummvm, and gnuboy |
| 09:32.37 | AndyQ | excellent - time to do a full rebuild then |
| 09:33.37 | schurig | kergoth: poor guy, you're locked to 2.4.7 due to the binary-only sd/mmc driver ... |
| 09:34.10 | kergoth | schurig: actually, if Tim still works at lineo given their purchase, he's willing to build it for a newer kernel if we get a newer kernel working |
| 09:34.39 | schurig | so, why don't you go over to 2.4.19 or .20 (once it's out) |
| 09:35.07 | kergoth | because I havent had time to work on it |
| 09:35.13 | kergoth | the entire lineo patch is absolute crap |
| 09:35.18 | kergoth | and should be rewritten |
| 09:35.21 | schurig | kergoth.time++ |
| 09:35.33 | kergoth | ;) |
| 09:38.15 | prpplague | here here |
| 09:38.53 | schurig | kergoth: is it just good enought to have ccache and distcc in the path and a DISTCC_HOSTS in Vars.local? Or do I have to specify somewhere a -j2 to the Makefile? |
| 09:40.36 | AndyQ | kergoth: in opie/library/custom-sharp.h there is a reference to asm/sharp_apm.h. My 3.2 crosscompiler has it in arm-linux/sys-include/asm-arm but 2.95.3 doesn't have it - should it? |
| 09:41.11 | AndyQ | s/include/reference |
| 09:41.24 | schurig | AndyQ: this is a from the lineo-patched kernel 2.4.6 (I guess). Just locate it in build/staging_dir and copy it over. |
| 09:42.21 | schurig | AndyQ: The real fix would be of course to fix the 3.2 crosscompiler Makefile |
| 09:42.21 | AndyQ | ? |
| 09:42.39 | schurig | schurig: did you download gcc3.2 or did you let it create by the buildsystem? |
| 09:42.47 | schurig | AndyQ: did you download gcc3.2 or did you let it create by the buildsystem? |
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| 09:42.50 | schurig | :) |
| 09:43.00 | AndyQ | 3.2 is fine (I used kergoths toolchain) |
| 09:43.09 | AndyQ | I got 2.95.3 from whereever ibot suggested |
| 09:43.12 | AndyQ | ibot oz crosscompile |
| 09:43.12 | | AndyQ: i don't know |
| 09:43.17 | AndyQ | ibot crosscompile |
| 09:43.17 | | somebody said crosscompile was see toolchain |
| 09:43.21 | AndyQ | ibot toolchain |
| 09:43.21 | | toolchain is probably at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains |
| 09:43.40 | AndyQ | none of those |
| 09:43.58 | noda | ibot xcompile |
| 09:43.58 | | methinks xcompile is at http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ |
| 09:44.24 | AndyQ | heh thats down |
| 09:45.31 | schurig | Ok, a downloaded toolchain from somewhere wasn't build against the Linux kernel for the Zaurus, so it's quite clear that a sharp_apm.h is not part of the toolchain headers |
| 09:46.10 | AndyQ | just copy the sharp_*.h into the 2.95.3 toolchain should work? |
| 09:49.05 | schurig | AndyQ: yes |
| 09:49.17 | AndyQ | schurig: thanks |
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| 09:55.22 | schurig | kergoth: distcc does not work. When I call "make -j2" and it compiles the kernel, then I see as output |
| 09:55.28 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.44 | schurig | or, in other words, the full path to the crosscompiler. Any idea why? |
| 10:01.34 | kryhme | ibot: heh |
| 10:01.34 | | heh |
| 10:02.05 | kryhme | ibot :) |
| 10:02.05 | | (: |
| 10:03.05 | kryhme | ibot: fart |
| 10:03.05 | | ACTION farts. |
| 10:03.27 | schurig | kryhme: burp |
| 10:03.55 | schurig | I expected "kryhme: burps" :-) |
| 10:04.41 | kryhme | bugger all i don't know, schurig |
| 10:05.09 | kryhme | is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 10:05.22 | schurig | what? |
| 10:06.01 | kryhme | i caught your thing, i just wasn't fast enough to respond... those other things i wrote are what ibot says when he doesn't understand |
| 10:06.04 | kryhme | ibot heroin |
| 10:06.04 | | kryhme: no idea |
| 10:06.19 | kryhme | ibot madagsacar |
| 10:06.19 | | kryhme: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 10:06.41 | kryhme | ibot lemur |
| 10:06.41 | | kryhme: i haven't a clue |
| 10:06.49 | kryhme | oh well, you get the point |
| 10:07.11 | schurig | I thought that "fart" was a command to ibot ... and I thought maybe you react to the command of "burb" :-) (no pun intended) |
| 10:08.05 | kryhme | you're right. there was just a little bit of miscommunication |
| 10:08.08 | kryhme | i blame ibot |
| 10:08.41 | schurig | At least it looked nice "Ibot, fart!" and "Ibot farts" as a response :-) |
| 10:11.38 | kergoth | schurig: ah, initially, before I had it altering the PATH in Vars.make, i had it supplying the full path |
| 10:11.54 | kergoth | schurig: just fix the CC, CXX vars in Vars.make, trust our PATH alteration to be sufficient |
| 10:12.47 | Cloudchaser_ | hello |
| 10:13.26 | kergoth | hi cloud |
| 10:13.36 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: the new fbvncserver from SSG systems doesnt have the refresh problem |
| 10:13.39 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: they found the bug |
| 10:13.48 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: that package may work in oz, if not, i'm upgrading ours shortly |
| 10:13.56 | Cloudchaser_ | cool, |
| 10:14.04 | Cloudchaser_ | i got an email from opie bugs |
| 10:14.07 | Cloudchaser_ | about the media mount |
| 10:14.11 | schurig | kergoth: what's SSG systems ? |
| 10:14.34 | kergoth | schurig: some company that volunteered to maintain fbvncserver in pierre's absense |
| 10:14.37 | kergoth | absence |
| 10:14.38 | kergoth | whatever |
| 10:14.53 | Cloudchaser_ | harlekin says "opie-mediamount" isn't the mediamount program its the setting ap |
| 10:15.01 | kergoth | yeah |
| 10:15.04 | kergoth | its the mediummountgui |
| 10:15.04 | Cloudchaser_ | so how would i uninstall the mediamount? |
| 10:15.15 | kergoth | mediummount itself is part of teh launcher |
| 10:15.21 | Cloudchaser_ | i don't see that in the list of installed stuff |
| 10:15.32 | Cloudchaser_ | so i can't remove it? |
| 10:15.35 | kergoth | eh? |
| 10:15.38 | kergoth | its the -launcher- |
| 10:15.43 | kergoth | unless you want to run your opie apps from console |
| 10:15.45 | kergoth | .. |
| 10:15.51 | Cloudchaser_ | damn |
| 10:15.57 | Cloudchaser_ | it pops up everytime i reboot the z |
| 10:16.10 | Cloudchaser_ | and even when i check the box to not check that media it comes up |
| 10:17.11 | kryhme | did you automatically know it was me? |
| 10:17.17 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.27 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 10:17.38 | Cloudchaser_ | should i try that posted version of vnc then? |
| 10:17.40 | kryhme | i think you probably had a feeling |
| 10:17.50 | kryhme | even before the whois |
| 10:17.50 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: yeah |
| 10:17.53 | Cloudchaser_ | ok |
| 10:17.56 | kergoth | kryhme: well yeah |
| 10:17.56 | kergoth | ;) |
| 10:18.00 | kryhme | :) |
| 10:18.06 | Twiun | Hi guys 'n gals! |
| 10:18.57 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 10:19.05 | AndyQ | lo |
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| 10:23.41 | Cloudchaser_ | hiya twiun |
| 10:24.39 | schurig | It's time to go :-) |
| 10:29.49 | Cloudchaser_ | kergoth: i got low memory error when i tried to install the vnc |
| 10:30.01 | kergoth | ? |
| 10:30.19 | kryhme | guess you need more memory or a different kernel |
| 10:30.20 | Cloudchaser_ | yep |
| 10:30.34 | Cloudchaser_ | i am using 40-24 oz |
| 10:31.22 | kryhme | no idea, i've yet to use vnc on it |
| 10:35.24 | ljp_work | bastard |
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| 10:40.44 | AndyQ | ljp_work: opie address book doesn't compile at the moment did you know? |
| 10:41.09 | ljp_work | hmm really? |
| 10:41.38 | AndyQ | ljp_work: yup - no method `OContact::trfields |
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| 10:42.00 | AndyQ | ljp_work: and indeed opie/ocontact.h doesn't have a trfields member |
| 10:42.31 | cgDEF | there's a new zaurus coming out some time next spring and I was wondering if OZ will be able to run on it? |
| 10:42.47 | kergoth | cgDEF: yep. as soon as I get the kernel sources |
| 10:42.59 | cgDEF | sweet |
| 10:43.30 | cgDEF | it kinda sux that sharp cut down the ram ... |
| 10:45.32 | ljp_work | go with a dell, then its cheaper |
| 10:45.45 | cgDEF | what? |
| 10:45.54 | ljp_work | new dell pda |
| 10:46.05 | cgDEF | oh I already have a zaurus |
| 10:46.10 | cgDEF | for quite a while |
| 10:46.20 | dreamsofx-atwork | Sharp kinda did and kinda didn't cut down the RAM... |
| 10:46.38 | dreamsofx-atwork | I'm sure that you wise OZ developers will find a way to access all 96 megs... |
| 10:46.51 | kergoth | huh? |
| 10:46.55 | kergoth | it doesnt have 96 megs of ram |
| 10:47.00 | kergoth | it has 64mb of flash and 32mb of ram |
| 10:47.11 | Cloudchaser_ | kergoth: does tssimd belong to vnc in /usr/local/bin ? |
| 10:47.27 | cgDEF | yeah nad flash is slower than sdram |
| 10:47.34 | kergoth | cgDEF: and? |
| 10:47.37 | Cloudchaser_ | i'm trying to remove all vnc stuff manually |
| 10:47.51 | dreamsofx-atwork | Isn't the 5500 32mb of flash and 32mb of ram? |
| 10:47.55 | kergoth | cgDEF: it hurts us yeah, but at least the 32 is persistant |
| 10:47.56 | cgDEF | nothing just stating the obvious |
| 10:47.58 | kergoth | dreamsofx-atwork: no, read your docs |
| 10:48.07 | kergoth | dreamsofx-atwork: 5500 is 16mb of flash, 64mb of ram, 32 of which is a persistant ramdisk |
| 10:48.21 | dreamsofx-atwork | Ah. I apologize. |
| 10:48.27 | kergoth | np |
| 10:48.57 | cgDEF | I know but on the 5500 you can put an SD card and forward your apps to the SD |
| 10:49.18 | cgDEF | and then you have 64 mb ram |
| 10:49.45 | kergoth | cgDEF: you arent 'forwarding your apps' to sd, you're installing them on sd. but thats correct |
| 10:49.51 | kergoth | cgDEF: most users iwll never need more than 32 |
| 10:50.00 | kergoth | cgDEF: power users can take advantage of 40-48 |
| 10:50.05 | kergoth | brb |
| 10:50.39 | cgDEF | yeah I ment that you change the path to the SD |
| 10:50.46 | cgDEF | and you are right about most users |
| 10:51.00 | cgDEF | unfortunatelly I am not most users |
| 10:51.13 | noda | Great... I've built this whole modular admin system and I can't see the advantage in it :P |
| 10:52.30 | krtyhme|study | methinks kergoth sounds like bill gates |
| 10:54.29 | chouimat | noda: stop masturbating in front of the keyboard |
| 10:55.16 | noda | eww... |
| 10:55.21 | krtyhme|study | chouimat: you've just described 70% of all people currently using the internet |
| 10:55.25 | noda | rofl |
| 10:55.38 | noda | I'm SURE I had some reason to make this modular besides organizing code. I just don't remember why. |
| 10:56.09 | ljp_work | get back to coding! damn it! |
| 10:56.25 | noda | Damned Girl is invading my mind. |
| 10:56.54 | prpplague | noda: "get out of my mind!" |
| 10:57.05 | noda | :) |
| 10:57.19 | noda | Dammit, I'm talking to YOU! |
| 10:57.20 | dreamsofx-atwork | noda: To be able to reuse code with less effort on your part? That's the general reason I modularize my code for... |
| 10:57.36 | ljp_work | you need an exorsism! |
| 10:57.37 | noda | dreamsofx-atwork: Yes, but the pages are so varied it seems like it'll have the same amount of code either way :P |
| 10:58.08 | Cloudchaser_ | ok kergoth.. this version definitely doesn't work |
| 10:58.23 | Cloudchaser_ | i had to go manually uninstall alot of pieces, then tried it |
| 10:58.26 | dreamsofx-atwork | Hrm...there's got to be a better way for you to modularize your code then. |
| 10:58.45 | noda | Yeah, but with Girl invading my mind I can't think of it. I had it before... |
| 10:58.53 | Cloudchaser_ | then it crashed saying not enough memory again and when i go back in, it says its installed but no desktop items for it |
| 10:58.54 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: alright, I'll throw together a OZ version of it today |
| 10:58.57 | ljp_work | get drunk |
| 10:59.13 | noda | Got school in an hour and a half :P |
| 10:59.18 | kergoth | ahhh god we're busyo |
| 10:59.19 | kergoth | busy |
| 10:59.21 | kergoth | nonstop |
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| 11:07.05 | kergoth | GAH |
| 11:07.06 | kergoth | !@#% |
| 11:07.29 | kergoth | damnit |
| 11:07.32 | kergoth | trolltech's ftp site is all hosed |
| 11:07.40 | noda | Boo. |
| 11:08.13 | ljp_work | so is opie bugs |
| 11:15.02 | bipolar | kergoth: ues a mirror. I just did |
| 11:15.30 | kergoth | bipolar: geh, k |
| 11:15.33 | bipolar | ftp://ftp.silug.org/pub/qt/source/ |
| 11:15.39 | bipolar | nice and fast one |
| 11:15.41 | bipolar | :) |
| 11:15.49 | kergoth | thanks |
| 11:16.05 | kergoth | geh, i need a mirror of the qt/e beta2 |
| 11:16.11 | kergoth | which is in qtopia/source not qt/source |
| 11:16.14 | kergoth | for some stupid fucking reason |
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| 11:17.37 | kergoth | hey Onyx4 |
| 11:17.48 | Onyx4 | hi |
| 11:18.26 | Onyx4 | so what was the problem with libtool? |
| 11:18.36 | Onyx4 | that it would not compile libvorbis |
| 11:18.38 | kergoth | freetype installs a .la library into staging |
| 11:18.47 | kergoth | as did libjpeg |
| 11:19.02 | kergoth | afaicr, one of those got loaded, and when it loaded the .la, that .la had ladir set to /usr/lib |
| 11:19.08 | kergoth | which added /usr/lib to the newlib_search_path |
| 11:19.16 | kergoth | and caused it to hit /usr/lib/libblah.la first |
| 11:19.18 | kergoth | *boom* |
| 11:20.54 | Onyx4 | ok my problem now is that it doesn't build the .so file |
| 11:20.56 | kergoth | Onyx4: libvorbis builds now, no errors |
| 11:20.58 | kergoth | but |
| 11:20.59 | kergoth | yeah, that |
| 11:21.01 | kergoth | :) |
| 11:21.02 | Onyx4 | is it because I need to cleanup the staging dir? |
| 11:21.05 | kergoth | no idea |
| 11:21.07 | kergoth | i dont think so |
| 11:21.09 | kergoth | its something else |
| 11:21.10 | kergoth | but i udnno what |
| 11:21.19 | kergoth | havent been able to spend time to fix it |
| 11:22.03 | Onyx4 | we also need to copy /usr/include/vorbis/*.h to staging |
| 11:22.10 | Onyx4 | for mencoder to pickup the .h file |
| 11:22.16 | kergoth | yep |
| 11:22.17 | kergoth | i know |
| 11:22.17 | Onyx4 | mplayer sorry |
| 11:22.22 | kergoth | the make install was doing stupid things |
| 11:22.24 | kergoth | so i killed it |
| 11:22.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 11:22.26 | Onyx4 | k |
| 11:23.20 | Onyx4 | im actually surprised that mastermind was able to build libvorbis before those changes, maybe he built an empty package :) |
| 11:24.57 | benmeyer | hmm, somoene ping me/ |
| 11:25.32 | noda | --- Ping reply from benmeyer : 0.51 second(s) |
| 11:27.38 | krtyhme|study | Ping reply from benmeyer : 1.56 second(s) |
| 11:27.38 | krtyhme|study | --- Ping reply from benmeyer : 0.76 second(s) |
| 11:27.54 | kergoth | GAH |
| 11:27.59 | kergoth | MONDAYS SUCK |
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| 11:28.30 | noda | It's as far away from Girl as it gets, Monday is :( |
| 11:29.36 | bipolar | kergoth: what source file were you looking for from TT? |
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| 11:29.54 | mickeyl | ibot oz bk |
| 11:29.54 | | well, oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
| 11:29.58 | kergoth | bipolar: qt-embedded-2.3.4-beta2.tar.gz |
| 11:30.40 | bipolar | kergoth: yeah, stupid thing isn't where it's supposed to be |
| 11:30.55 | kergoth | bipolar: i noticed. it should be in /pub/qt/source/ or /pub/qt/embedded/ or something |
| 11:36.32 | ljp_work | please send all bug reports to /dev/null |
| 11:36.55 | cbok | thanks bipolar |
| 11:39.33 | kergoth | damnit |
| 11:41.13 | mickeyl | kergoth: i have the file around. do you want to wget it? |
| 11:41.25 | kergoth | mickeyl: thatd be cool |
| 11:42.57 | mickeyl | kergoth: wget http://www.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~mickey/qt-embedded-2.3.4.beta2.tar.gz |
| 11:43.09 | mickeyl | nah |
| 11:43.12 | mickeyl | kergoth: wget http://www.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~mickey/qt-embedded-2.3.4-beta2.tar.gz |
| 11:43.29 | kergoth | er |
| 11:43.37 | kergoth | dejavu |
| 11:43.39 | kergoth | okay getting it, thanks |
| 11:43.43 | mickeyl | fine |
| 11:48.34 | kergoth | mickeyl: done, thanks |
| 11:49.07 | mickeyl | np :) |
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| 11:53.55 | ibz[work] | strange thing happened to me with oz...i had a a bunch of games installed on the card - i umount'ed then mount'ed later...only to find that the /opt directory had magically disappeared! |
| 11:56.02 | kergoth | magic |
| 11:56.03 | kergoth | fun |
| 11:56.13 | ibz[work] | heh |
| 11:57.01 | ibz[work] | if it happens again, i'll be after a guy called Chris La"W"son... ;) |
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| 12:33.16 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: getting the following error trying to build libtool: |
| 12:33.17 | AndyQ | configure: warning: CC=/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin/arm-linux-gcc: invalid host type |
| 12:33.17 | AndyQ | configure: warning: CFLAGS=-I/home/andy/buildroot/output/staging/usr/include -march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -mapcs-32 -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -O2: invalid host type |
| 12:33.17 | AndyQ | configure: error: can only configure for one host and one target at a time |
| 12:33.17 | AndyQ | c |
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| 12:35.07 | numatrix | Somebody should probably remove the vnc entry in /feeds/3.0/Packages since the package itself is gone. |
| 12:36.23 | coup | question: when i synch my Z with my desktop box now the desktop claims un-matched versions. it was working a while ago. What V or intellisynch do i need to run? |
| 12:36.37 | coup | currently on 1.43E |
| 12:39.52 | coup | no-one? hmm, guess i'll have to ask again later :) |
| 12:41.51 | ljp_work | update qtopiadesktop |
| 12:42.05 | ljp_work | oh, intelsync? |
| 12:42.12 | ljp_work | try to update that |
| 12:42.24 | coup | i dont have QTDesktop, i'm using intellisynch |
| 12:42.47 | coup | Windows box with Outlook |
| 12:43.31 | cbok | what version are you running coup? |
| 12:43.33 | coup | :) see if there is one, got 1.43e which was avail when qtDtop was v 1.6beta |
| 12:43.39 | coup | oo got to disconnect, BRB |
| 12:50.09 | ljp_work | Hi, |
| 12:50.10 | ljp_work | While adding the qpe freetypelib to opie, I noticed a comment in the source |
| 12:50.10 | ljp_work | about freetype memory usage, "inter-process glyph data sharing" . |
| 12:50.10 | ljp_work | So, this is a dual bug report/feature request. For someone at TT to fix this, |
| 12:50.10 | ljp_work | before the new qtoipia is officially released, as using the freetypelib can |
| 12:50.10 | ljp_work | endup consuming memory. |
| 12:50.12 | ljp_work | Thanks! |
| 12:50.14 | ljp_work | crap |
| 12:50.24 | ljp_work | ibot: lart me |
| 12:50.46 | ljp_work | I guess that email wants to be seens every-frickin-where |
| 13:03.26 | mickeyl | ibot toolchain |
| 13:03.26 | | well, toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains |
| 13:04.39 | mickeyl | ibot xcompile |
| 13:04.39 | | somebody said xcompile was at http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ |
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| 13:10.46 | numatrix | BZFlag: With the new ibot code, how easy would it be to add a search interface for openzaurus faq items? Something to use: http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/search.php |
| 13:13.31 | mickeyl | kergoth: ping |
| 13:14.30 | kergoth`lunch | mickeyl: pong |
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| 13:15.14 | mickeyl | kergoth: must the toolchain from openzaurus.org be unpacked in a fixed directory? if so, where please? |
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| 13:15.25 | kergoth | ibot: oz toolchain |
| 13:15.25 | | hmm... oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 13:15.43 | kergoth | ibot: toolchain is also extract these in /usr/local/arm/ |
| 13:15.43 | | okay, kergoth |
| 13:15.47 | mickeyl | kergoth: erm... one should always read the whole sentence :)) |
| 13:15.49 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 13:16.06 | chouimat | kergoth: when do plan to add support for local distfiles in buildroot |
| 13:16.13 | kergoth | ibot no, toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains |
| 13:16.13 | | kergoth: okay |
| 13:16.20 | kergoth | ibot: xcompile is see oz toolchain |
| 13:16.20 | | ...but xcompile is already something else... |
| 13:16.24 | kergoth | ibot: no, xcompile is see oz toolchain |
| 13:16.24 | | kergoth: okay |
| 13:16.29 | kergoth | chouimat: local distfiles? |
| 13:16.49 | chouimat | kergoth: like gcc-3.2.tar.bz2 on my HDDs :) |
| 13:16.57 | kergoth | ahh |
| 13:17.07 | kergoth | thatll be easy, within a couple days |
| 13:17.10 | kergoth | busy busy busy |
| 13:17.17 | chouimat | kergoth: ok |
| 13:17.19 | kergoth | I may be flying out to vegas thursday |
| 13:17.34 | AndyQ | kergoth: making package qte-sdl I get an error: checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. |
| 13:17.34 | AndyQ | If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'. |
| 13:17.49 | kergoth | AndyQ: yes, it shoujld be using --host and --build, not --target and --build |
| 13:18.34 | AndyQ | kergoth: heh - so I can't use buildroot to build this yet? |
| 13:18.41 | kergoth | eh? |
| 13:18.45 | kergoth | vi packages/qte-sdl/Makefile |
| 13:18.49 | kergoth | :%s,--target,--host,g |
| 13:18.50 | kergoth | :wq |
| 13:18.52 | kergoth | make |
| 13:18.53 | kergoth | :) |
| 13:18.58 | AndyQ | ta :) |
| 13:20.36 | NightStar | kergoth: Did you get my email on the ifup/ifconfig broadcast problem? |
| 13:21.04 | kergoth | NightStar: yes, i did, havent had a chance to implement it yet though |
| 13:21.07 | kergoth | been busy as hell |
| 13:21.31 | ljp_work | hell is a pretty busy place, too |
| 13:21.37 | NightStar | I understand. I opened a SF bug report as well. |
| 13:21.48 | kergoth | NightStar: thanks |
| 13:21.50 | kergoth | ljp_work: indeed |
| 13:21.52 | NightStar | np |
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| 13:25.26 | Dessimat0r | lo ;) |
| 13:31.17 | AndyQ | lo |
| 13:38.22 | Dessimat0r | tis quiet |
| 13:39.58 | kergoth | yes |
| 13:40.21 | AndyQ | kergoth: next question: building opie: /home/andy/buildroot/build/qt-2.3.4-beta2/bin/uic: error while loading shared libraries: libqutil.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:40.57 | mickeyl | kergoth: hmm.... with the 3.2-oz-1 toolchain i get "please upgrade your binutils to 2.9.5" ? during compilation of oz-buildroot/kernel is building with 3.2-toolchain not supported yet? |
| 13:41.07 | kergoth | mickeyl: cant build kernel with 3.2 |
| 13:41.14 | kergoth | mickeyl: change your usergccver to 2.95.3 and build kernel alone with that |
| 13:41.18 | kergoth | mickeyl: then switch back and build the rest |
| 13:41.27 | kergoth | AndyQ: you need x86 qutil lib on your desktop |
| 13:41.29 | mickeyl | kergoth: i see, ok. |
| 13:42.24 | mickeyl | kergoth: to build only the kernel i use make SUBDIRS=xxx or must I say N to all options during .config? |
| 13:43.28 | AndyQ | ta |
| 13:44.22 | AndyQ | oooh - getting closer - almost there.....almost there......... |
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| 13:47.05 | kergoth | mickeyl: use SUBDIRS |
| 13:47.08 | kergoth | mickeyl: its easiest |
| 13:49.11 | mickeyl | kergoth: ok, once last question for tonite ;) ... where is the difference between the packages Makefile methods? one Makefile has a field Url, the other has a field Source and Sources, one includes $TEMPLATE_DIR/method, the other $TEMPLATE_DIR/generic ?? |
| 13:51.41 | AndyQ | kergoth: with the new ipkgs in ar format, what do you use to generate the Packages file for a feed dir? |
| 13:52.37 | kergoth | AndyQ: i use a modified ipkg-make-index |
| 13:52.41 | kergoth | AndyQ: its in the buildroot in scripts |
| 13:52.52 | AndyQ | cool |
| 13:53.05 | kergoth | mickeyl: there have been numerous templates and versions of the buildroot |
| 13:53.06 | AndyQ | this buildroot has everything :) |
| 13:53.10 | kergoth | mickeyl: dont bother touching any of the previous stuff |
| 13:53.34 | mickeyl | kergoth: no i won't, but I want to add new packages and wonder, which style to use !? |
| 13:54.18 | kergoth | mickeyl: use current. |
| 13:54.25 | kergoth | mickeyl: ipkg, busybox, anything we build right now, is correct |
| 13:54.34 | kergoth | mickeyl: anything that isnt in menuconfig shouldnt be touched |
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| 13:55.35 | AndyQ | kergoth: tell you what, if you go to vegas next week no-one will dare touch the buildroot :) |
| 13:55.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 13:55.50 | bipolar | kergoth: how did you get automake 1.5 to build KDE with? did you find a deb somewhere? |
| 13:55.56 | kergoth | bipolar: its in debian |
| 13:56.07 | kergoth | bipolar: apt-get install automake-1.7, or automake-1.6, or automake-1.5 |
| 13:56.07 | bipolar | kergoth: automake1.5? |
| 13:56.10 | kergoth | bipolar: yeah |
| 13:56.11 | bipolar | heh |
| 13:56.17 | bipolar | ok |
| 13:56.21 | bipolar | thanks... I missed that. :) |
| 13:56.27 | kergoth | bipolar: though if you use 1.7, you have to edit admin/autoconfcheck or some shit |
| 13:56.31 | kergoth | and add a check for 1.7 |
| 13:56.34 | kergoth | it already checks for 1.5 and 1.6 |
| 13:57.19 | mickeyl | kergoth: ok, so the current style is everwhyere used where config.in is? |
| 13:57.24 | kergoth | mickeyl: yes |
| 13:57.45 | mickeyl | kergoth: ok, i guess that will get me started. thanks for your patience :) |
| 13:57.51 | kergoth | np |
| 13:57.56 | kergoth | mickeyl: read doc/DEVEL |
| 13:58.07 | kergoth | mickeyl: which iirc has a 'how to add a package to the buildroot' guide |
| 13:58.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 13:58.45 | mickeyl | kergoth: yeah, I learned this by heart, but the itsy bitsy details are missing :) I might add them when I understood enough!? :) |
| 13:58.47 | bipolar | kergoth: I installed 1.6, but kde only sees 1.4. Is there a 'debian way' to set automake to use 1.6? Or do I just have to edit the link? |
| 13:58.56 | kergoth | mickeyl: hehe. feel free |
| 13:59.05 | kergoth | bipolar: okay listen |
| 13:59.06 | kergoth | bipolar: heh |
| 13:59.28 | kergoth | bipolar: first thing, make -f Makefile.cvs runs admin/cvs.h, which runs admin/autoconfchecker or something like that |
| 13:59.55 | kergoth | bipolar: that automake check function in autoconfchecker checks for binary names of automake1.6 etc and prefers it to just 'automake' |
| 14:00.10 | kergoth | bipolar: you may want to take a look at that function |
| 14:00.28 | bipolar | kergoth: k.... |
| 14:00.57 | kergoth | bipolar: what i did for my build, was edit admin/debianrules |
| 14:01.07 | kergoth | bipolar: changed all the paths around, cause i'm putting it out in /opt |
| 14:01.12 | kergoth | bipolar: then edited the automake check function |
| 14:01.21 | kergoth | bipolar: then just ran debian/rules build; make install; on each package |
| 14:01.41 | kergoth | cause i didnt want actual debian packages, as that would interfere with my in-debian noncvs kde3 |
| 14:02.04 | bipolar | kergoth: got it. I installed 1.5, which removed 1.4 and was installed as default. I don't know why 1.6 did not do that. |
| 14:02.14 | kergoth | bipolar: ah, weird |
| 14:02.21 | bipolar | kergoth: thanks for explaining that stuff |
| 14:02.22 | bipolar | :) |
| 14:02.24 | kergoth | np |
| 14:02.39 | kergoth | course i stopped my build, cause i want to build it with gcc3.2 |
| 14:02.57 | kergoth | want to tweak a couple things before i do that |
| 14:02.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:04.03 | NightStar | Ok, more wireless networking problems :( |
| 14:04.26 | bipolar | kergoth: I'm building kde 3.1 becouse I know that just when I finish, it will be released into sid. :p |
| 14:04.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:04.51 | kergoth | my build from cvs failed |
| 14:04.53 | kergoth | for some reason |
| 14:04.54 | NightStar | I upgraded to Opie-networking from the unstable feed (Friday) and now the Wep key isn't actually being set (iwconfig) shows no encryption. |
| 14:05.07 | bipolar | kergoth: looks like sparc fixes are keeping gcc 3.2 out of sid |
| 14:05.17 | kergoth | ? |
| 14:05.23 | kergoth | you mean as the primary compiler? its already in sid |
| 14:05.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:05.38 | bipolar | kergoth: yeah, but it's broken in sparc |
| 14:05.56 | kergoth | my point was, its already in sid |
| 14:05.56 | kergoth | :) |
| 14:06.00 | kergoth | just not as the primary |
| 14:06.03 | bipolar | kergoth: http://lists.debian.org/debian-gcc/2002/debian-gcc-200211/msg00167.html |
| 14:06.20 | bipolar | yeah, thats what i mean :) |
| 14:06.39 | kergoth | bipolar: ack |
| 14:06.40 | kergoth | heh |
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| 14:10.01 | chouimat | question: I have a PIII/667, PIII/1000, and two P200MMX here, adding the two P200MMX to a distc cluster will help? |
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| 14:12.48 | kergoth | BAH |
| 14:12.52 | kergoth | i so need to get the fuck out of here |
| 14:12.56 | BZFlag | numatrix: not tough. use the zsi or zfi as a reference and then parse the html returned. |
| 14:13.23 | kergoth | hey tim |
| 14:13.38 | BZFlag | kergoth: heya |
| 14:15.12 | kergoth | BZFlag: shit at lineo still chaotic/ |
| 14:15.28 | benmeyer | anounced yet? |
| 14:15.51 | chouimat | kergoth: stop play with that kernel code, you're rotting your brain |
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| 14:16.07 | kergoth | chouimat: hah, i havent touched kernel code in a week |
| 14:16.47 | chouimat | kergoth: do you think adding two P200 will improve the compile time? |
| 14:18.06 | cbok | chouimat - you still have bus speed and disk i/o issues |
| 14:18.12 | numatrix | BZFlag: ok, just curious since I noticed the format for search zsi and zfi changed with the new ibot, I didn't know whether much had changed on the backend. |
| 14:18.38 | chouimat | cbok: I will have 3 PIII (667,800,1000) and two P200 |
| 14:19.27 | AndyQ | kergoth: woot - opie built (finally), but pgserver failed: aclocal: configure.in: 162: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library |
| 14:19.42 | chouimat | cbok: I can also add 30 others BSD machine over a vpn |
| 14:20.11 | kergoth | AndyQ: hm |
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| 14:20.22 | cbok | right |
| 14:20.32 | cbok | still have disk bus limitations |
| 14:21.00 | chouimat | cbok: I know but that will help a little no? |
| 14:21.37 | numatrix | kergoth: fyi, the sharp rom updater is pretty tight. I was hoping it would have some sort of built in extractor where it pulled out the rom image at least temporarily and I could find the md5 and search for it and see about re-creating it with a patched version. No joy. It's well beyond my meager skills. |
| 14:21.40 | kergoth | chouimat: hard to say. the amount of overhead compared to the gain could be too much |
| 14:21.43 | kergoth | chouimat: i'd test it |
| 14:22.07 | kergoth | numatrix: hrmph |
| 14:22.30 | AndyQ | ljp: ljp_work: sfcave isn't being built in the opie build (looks like it needs to be added to the packages file) |
| 14:22.33 | chouimat | kergoth: the 5 local boxes? or with the one over the vpn? |
| 14:23.00 | numatrix | kergoth: Have we asked ben to see if we could get the source of that, or even be able to mail some magic black box a kernel and filesystem and get back a happy Setup.exe ? |
| 14:23.04 | kergoth | AndyQ: yeap, the new buildsystem hasnt replaced the existing one totally, so its not being updated implicitly |
| 14:23.26 | kergoth | AndyQ: I need to add further docs, based on our buildroot docs, into opie |
| 14:23.36 | kergoth | AndyQ: once docs are avail, i'll ditch the existing crap completely |
| 14:23.42 | AndyQ | kergoth: sorry - is that pgserver or sfcave? |
| 14:24.16 | ljp_work | ya docs, cause some lazy assed opie devs dont know how to use the new build stuff yet :) |
| 14:24.27 | kergoth | AndyQ: sfcave |
| 14:24.38 | AndyQ | kergoth: k |
| 14:24.53 | kergoth | just havnet had time |
| 14:24.54 | AndyQ | ljp_work: should I have changed the packages file also? I dodn't think I had access to that |
| 14:25.09 | ljp_work | no.. I can I guess |
| 14:25.17 | kergoth | AndyQ: packcages should be updated by whomever adds it to the toplevel makefile |
| 14:25.19 | ljp_work | after I figure it out :) |
| 14:25.23 | kergoth | AndyQ: but as i said, its not documented |
| 14:25.42 | ljp_work | is there a script to update the packages file? |
| 14:25.50 | kergoth | nah, you just add a single line |
| 14:25.52 | kergoth | that contains |
| 14:25.58 | ljp_work | like ./greatGoogli-Moogli |
| 14:26.15 | kergoth | [config opt][tab][path][tab][.pro filename] |
| 14:26.18 | kergoth | i.e. |
| 14:26.34 | kergoth | CONFIG_SFCAVE\tnoncore/blah/sfcafe\tsfcave.pro |
| 14:26.35 | AndyQ | ljp_work: roflmao! |
| 14:26.42 | TMM1[zzz] | yo |
| 14:26.56 | AndyQ | hi |
| 14:27.01 | ljp_work | each entry has its own config option? |
| 14:27.13 | BZFlag | kergoth, benmeyer: not announced as far as I know. |
| 14:27.17 | kergoth | every package has a config opt in config.in |
| 14:27.26 | benmeyer | me is pinged |
| 14:27.30 | kergoth | so each package needs a config.in, and an entry in the toplevel makefile |
| 14:27.51 | kergoth | config.in adds it into the config system, rootlevel packages file is the glue that connects the config system with the build |
| 14:27.53 | TheMasterMind1 | isn't sf done moving yet.. |
| 14:27.53 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh |
| 14:28.13 | kergoth | trolltech's ftp site is all hosed too |
| 14:28.16 | kergoth | its definately a monday |
| 14:28.17 | numatrix | benmeyer: I was asking if there was anyway you might be able to investigate what it would take to have openzaurus release convienant Setup.exe type files for those without CF cards. |
| 14:28.27 | AndyQ | ljp_work: I'll add the config.in for sfcave |
| 14:28.32 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: any luck with opera? |
| 14:28.55 | benmeyer | numatrix: for flashing over usb/ |
| 14:28.56 | benmeyer | ? |
| 14:29.02 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: nope, it's something graphic library related; I realized that not only are the top menus not rendered, but no images on pages are either. No gifs, jpegs, or pngs. |
| 14:29.04 | numatrix | benmeyer: yeah |
| 14:29.09 | benmeyer | doubtfull |
| 14:29.15 | NightStar | Ok, is this a bug report for OZ or Opie? Opie-networksettings not setting wep key, manually setting via iwconfig works. |
| 14:29.22 | benmeyer | I am not even allowed the source to the zaurus apps |
| 14:29.36 | benmeyer | NightStar: you just told the author |
| 14:29.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:29.55 | kergoth | I should do an evil flasher ipk that drops it into /dev/mem at the right address |
| 14:30.08 | numatrix | benmeyer: Or even the possibility that we could have someone over there create a setup.exe from the available OZ kernel and image. Once someone's got OZ running, they don't need to worry about the CF card, but the first step is the kicker... ;-) |
| 14:30.14 | kergoth | i wonder what qtopia would do if its data was written out from under it |
| 14:30.16 | numatrix | kergoth: *shudder* |
| 14:30.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:30.50 | NightStar | OK.. :) |
| 14:31.37 | kergoth | numatrix: seriously though, if we could link the flash app staticly, put it in /tmp/ (ramfs), then run it in the background, qtopia would likely explode, but the flash should succeed |
| 14:31.44 | NightStar | I now have a script to fixup my broadcast address and manually ad my wep ket L: |
| 14:31.53 | kergoth | NightStar: hah |
| 14:31.54 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 14:31.58 | TheMasterMind1 | what an awful way to do it |
| 14:32.02 | TheMasterMind1 | but it'd work |
| 14:32.05 | AndyQ | ljp_work: OK, config.in added and commited |
| 14:32.18 | benmeyer | fix your broadcast address? |
| 14:32.41 | numatrix | kergoth: Or possibly require the user to reboot? Upon reboot before qtopia loads, it could reflash? |
| 14:32.43 | kergoth | AndyQ: so it should build now. but you'll want to remove noncore/games/config.in to ensure it regenerates it with your new config.in included |
| 14:32.48 | kergoth | numatrix: that could be done |
| 14:32.56 | kergoth | numatrix: drop a startup script into place.. |
| 14:32.59 | kergoth | numatrix: hmm |
| 14:33.07 | kergoth | numatrix: thing is, do we have it prompt for path to image or what? |
| 14:33.21 | AndyQ | k |
| 14:33.23 | kergoth | numatrix: could do a lil curses gui or something |
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| 14:33.25 | numatrix | It's a possibility. Probably good to have LOTS of disclaimers all over it. ;-) But for people who really can't afford a CF card or REALLY want to upgrade to OZ... |
| 14:33.53 | kergoth | AndyQ: remove build/opie/noncore/games/config.in, then rebuild opie |
| 14:34.08 | kergoth | AndyQ: it should regenerate noncore/games/config.in, then prompt to enable/disable sfcave, then build it |
| 14:34.41 | AndyQ | kergoth: should I do a complete rebuild for opie (i.e. make clean)? |
| 14:34.54 | kergoth | AndyQ: no need |
| 14:35.02 | kergoth | AndyQ: rm stamps/.opie.binary build/noncore/games/config.in; make; |
| 14:35.25 | Dessimat0r | I got a new digital camera... appears to have a problem with it |
| 14:35.39 | Dessimat0r | It thinsk the batteries are gonee after about 5 secs |
| 14:35.41 | Dessimat0r | NEW ones :/ |
| 14:37.01 | AndyQ | kergoth: I guess the packages file need to be updated first? |
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| 14:37.26 | kergoth | AndyQ: well yeah, you'll want to cvs up |
| 14:37.34 | AndyQ | doh! |
| 14:37.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:37.46 | mickeyl | kergoth: having a problem here... i'm in a kernel building loop, as soon as the kernel is built, it begins again to build... hmm... seen this before? |
| 14:38.07 | kergoth | rm stamps/.opie.binary build/noncore/games/config.in; cd build/opie; CVS_PASSFILE=../../.cvspass cvs up -Pd; cd ../../; make; |
| 14:38.20 | kergoth | mickeyl: hm, nope. but it should zip through the build 4-8 times... |
| 14:38.23 | kergoth | mickeyl: or more.. |
| 14:38.29 | kergoth | mickeyl: as it builds each ramdisk size |
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| 14:38.53 | mickeyl | kergoth: oh really? aah ok... i guess for a developer's build i can disable one or another ;) |
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| 14:39.14 | kergoth | mickeyl: bingo |
| 14:39.18 | kergoth | mickeyl: i generally just enable one |
| 14:39.31 | AndyQ | woooooooooooooo! it worked :) |
| 14:39.36 | kergoth | AndyQ: nice :) |
| 14:39.40 | Rince | re |
| 14:39.50 | kergoth | see, spiffy new buildsystem works well when you know how to use it |
| 14:39.56 | AndyQ | kergoth: just picogui to sort out and I'll have a complete build done |
| 14:40.04 | AndyQ | kergoth: yup - starting to get used to it |
| 14:40.12 | kergoth | AndyQ: the LIBTOOL automake macro thing? |
| 14:40.28 | kergoth | AndyQ: quick solution is to install libtool on your desktop box |
| 14:40.34 | |rerun|Z | hey AndyQ... do you know what i could be doing that is causing aqpkg to lose the feed info after i enter it? |
| 14:40.38 | AndyQ | kergoth: got that - did an mrproper on it and that sorted it |
| 14:40.46 | kergoth | ahh |
| 14:40.47 | kergoth | okay cool |
| 14:41.05 | AndyQ | |rerun|Z: not a clue - little more info needed |
| 14:41.19 | kergoth | we need a opie bug reporter app |
| 14:41.36 | kergoth | which wraps up a ipkg status list and uname -a and bits of other info and emails it |
| 14:41.43 | |rerun|Z | hold on... lemme duplicate it. |
| 14:42.50 | ljp_work | no more opie bug reports please :) heh jk |
| 14:42.57 | kergoth | heheh |
| 14:43.06 | AndyQ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.10 | ljp_work | or rather.. send all opie bug reports to tkc mantis |
| 14:43.15 | kergoth | haha |
| 14:43.20 | kergoth | works for me |
| 14:43.22 | AndyQ | kergoth: k, just doing a mrproper ;make on pg-server...... |
| 14:43.26 | kergoth | AndyQ: k |
| 14:44.01 | AndyQ | kergoth: blew out with: autogen.sh: using private SDL m4 file |
| 14:44.01 | AndyQ | autogen.sh:running: aclocal -I macros -I macros/extra |
| 14:44.01 | AndyQ | aclocal: configure.in: 162: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library |
| 14:44.01 | AndyQ | autogen.sh:error: while running aclocal -I macros -I macros/extra |
| 14:44.01 | AndyQ | /bin/sh: ./configure: No such file or directory |
| 14:44.11 | kergoth | yeah |
| 14:44.22 | kergoth | i can fix that |
| 14:44.24 | AndyQ | close...oh so close :) |
| 14:44.58 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you taught libtool a lesson yet? |
| 14:45.07 | |rerun|Z | AndyQ: nm... i figured it out. it junks new feed servers whose name contains spaces. upon restarting aqpkg, the server name AND server address consist of the first few characters of the feed name |
| 14:45.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: a few lessons, it still smacks me around occasionally |
| 14:45.21 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 14:45.46 | ljp_work | kergoth spanked libtool |
| 14:46.02 | AndyQ | |rerun|Z: yeah - know issue, you can't have spaces in the server name - I'll fix that to stop you doing it at some point soon:) |
| 14:46.08 | |rerun|Z | AndyQ: so where i had OpenZaurus 3.0 Feed as the name, it left just OpenZaurus as the name and addy. |
| 14:46.31 | |rerun|Z | ok... i figured so. |
| 14:46.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:46.39 | AndyQ | |rerun|Z: yup |
| 14:47.32 | kergoth | when space is the delimiter, dont use space in a field |
| 14:47.32 | kergoth | :P |
| 14:47.32 | AndyQ | crappy parsing of ipkg.conf :) |
| 14:47.32 | kergoth | i so need to get out of here |
| 14:47.33 | |rerun|Z | it wasn't a prob as soon as i recognized it, obviously |
| 14:47.33 | kergoth | and i need to go bullshit my boss into giving me thursday, friday and monday off |
| 14:47.33 | |rerun|Z | thx |
| 14:47.33 | kergoth | so i can head out to vegas |
| 14:47.34 | AndyQ | np - not that I did much :) |
| 14:47.38 | |rerun|Z | lol |
| 14:48.03 | AndyQ | kergoth: hope you have a good time - enjoy the break and forget about OZ for a few days :) |
| 14:48.05 | |rerun|Z | well, you provided a loving shoulder to cry on... uh, right? |
| 14:48.09 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 14:48.23 | |rerun|Z | laterz |
| 14:48.28 | AndyQ | bye |
| 14:49.16 | AndyQ | OK, now I've got pretty much a working buildroot, the run will be updating it tomorrow and seeing if it works :) |
| 14:49.18 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 14:49.59 | TheMasterMind1 | does vncserver work now? |
| 14:50.46 | AndyQ | right - got to go and spend some time with my wife :) have a good one |
| 14:51.21 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid readonly mounts |
| 14:52.14 | *** join/#openzaurus noda (~noda@modemcable136.245-202-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 14:52.17 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 14:52.21 | noda | Moo! |
| 14:52.22 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: sup |
| 14:52.26 | noda | Moo! |
| 14:52.34 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Huge admin overhaul coming up in a couple of days :) |
| 14:52.42 | noda | How many states are there in the USA? |
| 14:52.46 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: heh |
| 14:52.48 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: 34 |
| 14:52.57 | TheMasterMind1 | actually, its 50 |
| 14:52.59 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 14:53.06 | noda | 50? Heh, thought it was 52... weird. |
| 14:54.01 | TheMasterMind1 | they're states |
| 14:54.22 | noda | Yeah, I always forget if it's 50 *with* them or 50 *without* them :) |
| 14:54.34 | ljp_work | how could anyone confude hawaii and alaska? |
| 14:54.43 | ljp_work | confuse |
| 14:55.10 | noda | Heh, they're two of the five I could put on a map if my life depended on it :) |
| 14:55.18 | ljp_work | puerto rico is 51 ;) |
| 14:55.26 | ljp_work | canada is 52 |
| 14:55.31 | noda | Never! :) |
| 14:55.38 | ljp_work | isnt it? |
| 14:55.39 | ljp_work | :) |
| 14:55.50 | noda | Bet nobody knows how many provinces and territories WE have :) |
| 14:55.58 | ljp_work | 6 |
| 14:56.22 | bipolar | kergoth: Just when I decide to build kde 3.1, something gets broken in CVS :-\ |
| 14:56.26 | ljp_work | my fav is Yukon |
| 14:56.36 | noda | bipolar: What's going on? |
| 14:56.38 | kergoth | bipolar: wheres it fail? |
| 14:56.48 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: bet no one cares :O) |
| 14:56.51 | ljp_work | mmm eggnog |
| 14:56.56 | noda | kergoth: Did you manage to get op2 running? :) |
| 14:57.10 | ljp_work | works here |
| 14:57.22 | noda | 10 provinces + 3 territories, if anyone's curious :) |
| 14:57.29 | ljp_work | I have a special extra beta of the xine that works on a 5000d |
| 14:57.30 | bipolar | ruuning libtool and linking dcop |
| 14:57.39 | bipolar | kindof confusing |
| 14:57.40 | kergoth | bipolar: whats the error message? |
| 14:57.45 | ljp_work | 13? isnt that the mark of the devil?! |
| 14:57.46 | bipolar | kergoth: it's huge |
| 14:58.05 | noda | Ah, but it's 10 *provinces*. Those other things up there *points north* are just territories. |
| 14:58.06 | kergoth | bipolar: hmm, mine was a failure relating to QGString |
| 14:58.15 | kergoth | bipolar: that was last night though, couldve changed by now |
| 14:58.24 | ljp_work | heh 'areas' gotta love that one |
| 14:58.56 | *** join/#openzaurus bipolar (~bflong@24.229.103.140) |
| 14:58.57 | kergoth | lol |
| 14:59.00 | kergoth | bipolar: nice try |
| 14:59.07 | kergoth | 16:09 -!- bipolar [~bflong@24.229.103.140] has quit [Excess Flood] |
| 14:59.08 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 14:59.08 | ljp_work | if cananda was US, someone would try to patent the magnetic north pole |
| 14:59.25 | noda | It's mine! |
| 14:59.26 | bipolar | gawddamnit |
| 14:59.28 | bipolar | it's on 45 lines! :) |
| 14:59.34 | kergoth | bipolar: eek |
| 14:59.37 | noda | Pick one :P |
| 14:59.46 | TheMasterMind1 | whats' the first line |
| 15:00.29 | bipolar | see in #flood |
| 15:00.35 | NightStar | Installing Opie-Keyboard update causes opie seg fault. |
| 15:01.00 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 15:01.02 | TheMasterMind1 | opie-keyboard? |
| 15:01.33 | *** join/#openzaurus bipolar (~bflong@24.229.103.140) |
| 15:01.54 | NightStar | Yes, opie-keyboard |
| 15:02.13 | NightStar | From the unstable feed. |
| 15:02.14 | TheMasterMind1 | what does that do |
| 15:02.16 | TheMasterMind1 | i wonder |
| 15:02.35 | TheMasterMind1 | scp: /home/users/t/th/themastermind1/oz/oz_website/content/shots/opie//oz_02.png: Read-only file system |
| 15:02.36 | TheMasterMind1 | sniff.. |
| 15:02.43 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I'm getting that too. |
| 15:02.44 | NightStar | I assumed it was the popup keyboard. |
| 15:03.13 | NightStar | I really miss the Sharp popup keyboard, it had bigger keys. |
| 15:03.26 | noda | Use jumpx, it rocks :) |
| 15:03.29 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: quite annoying |
| 15:03.39 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I'll say. We don't have DB backups atm. |
| 15:03.48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 15:03.49 | TheMasterMind1 | grab one |
| 15:03.55 | ljp_work | NightStar: do youhave volumeapplet installed? |
| 15:03.55 | noda | 'cuz I can't even write to my freakin' home dir. |
| 15:04.05 | NightStar | looking.. |
| 15:04.23 | NightStar | Yes, but the original OZ3 one. |
| 15:04.41 | kergoth | NightStar: rtfm |
| 15:04.47 | mickeyl | NightStar: change font size to 12 and then back to 10, then it also has big keys |
| 15:04.59 | kergoth | mickeyl: actually, just running appearance, hitting ok, and restarting opie is enough |
| 15:05.05 | kergoth | mickeyl, NightStar: and its in the FAQ. |
| 15:05.06 | NightStar | Please direct me to manual. |
| 15:05.09 | kergoth | ibz: oz faq |
| 15:05.11 | kergoth | ibot oz faq |
| 15:05.11 | | it has been said that oz faq is at http://www.openzaurus.org/ |
| 15:05.14 | kergoth | NightStar: there. |
| 15:05.20 | NightStar | :( |
| 15:05.41 | mickeyl | kergoth: hmm... didn't do it for me, i found that i must change fontsize to something other than the default and then back for appearance to actually save the config |
| 15:05.50 | kergoth | odd |
| 15:11.00 | ljp_work | NightStar: I would update the volume applet in the oz unstable feed |
| 15:13.08 | TheMasterMind1 | -rw-r--r-- 1 kergoth openzaur 5389540 Oct 25 10:19 track-200b1.jar |
| 15:13.08 | TheMasterMind1 | -rw-r--r-- 1 kergoth openzaur 2225781 Oct 25 10:20 track-200b1.war |
| 15:13.11 | TheMasterMind1 | what is that stuff |
| 15:13.45 | kergoth | a java bug tracking system |
| 15:13.50 | kergoth | that i was going to look at but never did |
| 15:14.44 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 15:17.13 | bbeattie | Is anything special needed to get a Z to nfs mount a drive (over usb) Mount of an NFS locks up that console, and never mounts. :-/ |
| 15:17.40 | kergoth | bbeattie: hmm, shouldnt be. we have nfs support |
| 15:18.08 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: -o nolock |
| 15:18.11 | numatrix | ibot seen shayde |
| 15:18.11 | | numatrix: i haven't seen 'shayde' |
| 15:18.14 | bbeattie | kergoth: that's what I thought, I'm able to nfs mount from another system. Is anything special needed in exports? sync options? |
| 15:18.26 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: -o nolock |
| 15:18.41 | TheMasterMind1 | mount -t nfs -o nolock server:mount /mount/point |
| 15:20.59 | TheMasterMind1 | what linux software can i use to do graphics type stuff.. like a presentation poster |
| 15:21.47 | ljp_work | gimp |
| 15:21.55 | noda | gimp gimp gimp |
| 15:22.09 | noda | 'specially CVS. It's much nicer than 1.2. |
| 15:23.35 | kergoth | mm gimp |
| 15:24.52 | ljp_work | ehh gimp schmimp. I use kiconedit |
| 15:25.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:26.59 | NightStar | Updating opie-volumeapplet also seg faults opie. |
| 15:27.16 | kergoth | of course it does, but after its been done, it shouldnt happen again |
| 15:27.26 | NightStar | Ok.. |
| 15:27.43 | NightStar | It did install. |
| 15:29.24 | NightStar | opie-keyboard upgrade still crashes opie and leaves it not upgraded.. |
| 15:29.29 | *** join/#openzaurus gort_ (~chatzilla@dsc02-ari-co-2-93.rasserver.net) |
| 15:29.39 | kergoth | NightStar: then dont upgrade it within opie |
| 15:29.48 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:29.50 | kergoth | blah |
| 15:29.51 | kergoth | i'm dense |
| 15:29.54 | kergoth | its monday, dont mind me |
| 15:29.56 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: I'll deal with nfs later.. How is getting mplayer all perfected for the aqpkg feeds? |
| 15:30.47 | *** join/#openzaurus Cloudchaser (~Cloudchas@ool-182dd8bb.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 15:30.52 | kergoth | noda: ping |
| 15:31.00 | kergoth | we need a query page for the download count :) |
| 15:31.06 | noda | kergoth: pong |
| 15:31.08 | noda | kergoth: Dammit :P |
| 15:31.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:31.09 | numatrix | dang it! I'm an idiot... <sigh> |
| 15:31.26 | bbeattie | noda: did you hear about the ext2 file system problems, and how to fix it? |
| 15:31.27 | noda | kergoth: I'm workin' as fast as I can here... want some quick stats right now? I could just query directly if you're very curious at this exact point in time :) |
| 15:31.35 | noda | bbeattie: Take 'sync' out of the options in /etc/fstab |
| 15:31.36 | bbeattie | noda: I know you were having the same problems as I was, |
| 15:31.45 | kergoth | noda: thats fine, im just curious |
| 15:31.50 | bbeattie | noda: and that fixed everything? |
| 15:31.51 | numatrix | I was playing with libraries for opera, and I dropped libc.so.6 from the sharp rom in /opt/QtPalmtop/lib to pre-empt the /lib/ on temporarily for opera, but the problem is now I can't get rid of it!! Everything is from busybox which won't run. I can't mv it, change my environment variables, anything. Ideas? |
| 15:32.00 | noda | bbeattie: Well, it makes it the way it was before :) |
| 15:32.03 | kergoth | bbeattie: its a toss up. if you remove sync, it caches writes, which makes the app not have to wait for the write to complete |
| 15:32.11 | kergoth | bbeattie: but you'd better not remove the card without ejecting |
| 15:32.12 | noda | Check the FAQ. |
| 15:32.31 | kergoth | numatrix: hmm not offhand |
| 15:32.38 | numatrix | dang. this sucks... Hmmm. |
| 15:32.43 | kergoth | numatrix: testing oZ's libjpeg and stuff on sharp would be worthwhile |
| 15:32.44 | bbeattie | kergoth: I have taken the card out once in 4 months now. :-) |
| 15:32.49 | kergoth | numatrix: see if you can cause the behavior to occur |
| 15:32.52 | noda | kergoth: HOLY SHIT... 541 downloads since whenever I started it :) |
| 15:33.03 | kergoth | noda: hah, not bad. how long? |
| 15:33.08 | noda | kergoth: Erm, lemme check :) |
| 15:33.14 | numatrix | kergoth: Maybe it's time to go back to sharp temporarily... ;-) |
| 15:33.23 | kergoth | numatrix: definately worth testing anyway |
| 15:33.34 | kergoth | numatrix: you could move over one lib at a time, until it breaks |
| 15:33.34 | noda | Nov 14 |
| 15:33.39 | numatrix | I'm so glad I backed up my FinalFantasy2 save game from the gameboy emulator... ;-) |
| 15:33.46 | numatrix | The only thing I really cared about on my file system... |
| 15:33.46 | kergoth | noda: are you telilng me we've had 541 downloads in 4 days? |
| 15:33.56 | noda | kergoth: Well, 5, and... apparently. |
| 15:34.01 | kergoth | damn |
| 15:34.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:34.16 | noda | From 207 different IPs |
| 15:34.17 | kergoth | i wonder how many of those are duplicates, people downloading it more than once |
| 15:34.20 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:34.21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:34.29 | noda | Nah, the script allows for duplicates. |
| 15:34.43 | kergoth | so approx 207 unique downloads? |
| 15:34.45 | noda | It'll only put the file in if that file hasn't been accessed for 15 minutes by that host. |
| 15:34.49 | noda | No, 541 unique downloads. |
| 15:34.57 | kergoth | er |
| 15:35.01 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 15:35.12 | noda | 207 different people. But you have to download at LEAST two files to install, right... |
| 15:35.15 | numatrix | crap. what useful is NOT busybox? |
| 15:35.16 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:35.22 | kergoth | numatrix: not much |
| 15:35.27 | kergoth | so 207 OZ installs |
| 15:35.33 | scanline | numatrix: "echo *" :) |
| 15:35.33 | kergoth | in the past ~4 days |
| 15:35.44 | numatrix | scanline: yeah, but that hoses up too... |
| 15:35.45 | kergoth | scanline: hehe. there ya go, shell builtins works |
| 15:35.47 | kergoth | haha |
| 15:35.49 | kergoth | well then |
| 15:35.52 | noda | And some poeple downloaded multiple kernels. For instance, 141.156.130.138 downloaded three kernels - 40-24, 48-16 and 32-32 |
| 15:35.53 | kergoth | its a busybox shell, you're hosed |
| 15:36.09 | noda | Probably fewer than 207 installs, but it's a close estimate. |
| 15:36.13 | numatrix | yeah, pretty much... <sigh> that's gotta go in the record books for most retarded bomb... |
| 15:36.23 | kergoth | noda: well some people may have their ip change, then come back.. |
| 15:36.26 | kergoth | noda: but yeah |
| 15:36.27 | kergoth | okay |
| 15:36.35 | kergoth | so ~200 installs in 4 days |
| 15:36.40 | noda | 141.156.130.138 made the same downloads twice around half an hour apart for some reason :) |
| 15:36.43 | kergoth | not too bad |
| 15:36.44 | noda | Yep :) |
| 15:36.48 | noda | That's frickin' awesome :) |
| 15:36.51 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:36.52 | NightStar | Also some people pass around a CF card with OZ on it. |
| 15:37.04 | noda | That's 50 a DAY |
| 15:39.36 | noda | I think this site may just be more popular than any others I've made :) |
| 15:40.07 | noda | If not, it's pretty close :) |
| 15:41.19 | mickeyl | n8 |
| 15:41.24 | kergoth | night mickeyl |
| 15:41.33 | noda | Ooh, sweet, my personal site has been hit by MacOS (I installed AWStats last night) |
| 15:41.51 | kergoth | noda: i wish we'd have had this in place for the 3.0 release |
| 15:41.56 | kergoth | noda: that would have been -very- interesting |
| 15:41.57 | numatrix | Holy crap. |
| 15:42.05 | noda | kergoth: Definitely... |
| 15:42.06 | numatrix | There have been 184 hits to initrd.bin on my mirror today aloen. |
| 15:42.23 | noda | numatrix: Erm, you're one of the mirrors on openzaurus.org? |
| 15:42.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:42.31 | numatrix | noda: yeah; zaurii |
| 15:42.38 | numatrix | Only 27 unique ips though. |
| 15:42.48 | noda | Hrm... guess they click refresh a lot then. |
| 15:42.52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:42.55 | kergoth | guess so |
| 15:43.01 | numatrix | Apparently... /me browes the logs again |
| 15:43.04 | noda | I was about to say that there's a hit just to see if it sends a header... but I had to disable that because PHP on sf.net doesn't support it. |
| 15:43.04 | numatrix | browses |
| 15:43.16 | noda | In which case there'd be two hits for every download. |
| 15:43.21 | noda | But there shouldn't be. |
| 15:43.29 | numatrix | Hmm, looks like one person just hit it a LOT. |
| 15:43.36 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:43.38 | noda | Do a reverse lookup... is it sf.net perchance? :) |
| 15:43.43 | noda | Maybe I managed to get it working :P |
| 15:43.51 | numatrix | noda: nope, somewhere in asia... no reverse dns, tracing whois now... |
| 15:43.55 | noda | Cool |
| 15:45.29 | numatrix | Interesting. Someone from Mumbai India. |
| 15:45.29 | Dessimat0r | perhaps its some Japanese bloke who tries to installs it on his Japanese Zaurus, fails, then tries to re-download it again in the hope that it works ;) |
| 15:45.29 | kergoth | settingsimpl.cpp:182: no matching function for call to ` |
| 15:45.29 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.29 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:45.29 | noda | Okay, here we go, now the neat stuff is coming together for admin. I've got a textbox object and a checkbox object. |
| 15:45.30 | numatrix | And he hit it from a couple of ip's. Must have been on a dialup... |
| 15:46.50 | numatrix | The most popular image does appear to be the 40/24 split. |
| 15:47.15 | numatrix | Though I think I got at least one of every variety today. There really are a lot of people downloading it. |
| 15:47.24 | noda | That's so cool :) |
| 15:47.26 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 15:47.44 | TheMasterMind1 | we need more stats, number of visitors today, last hour, most visited page, download stats |
| 15:47.47 | numatrix | And I'll be one of them since I let my digital camera wipe out my emergency CF files thinking I wouldn't need them. ;-) |
| 15:47.55 | chouimat | kergoth: received the doc CD? |
| 15:48.38 | noda | TheMasterMind1: That's the fun stuff. Those are just queries, just gotta make a super-duper-awesome-flexible query page :) |
| 15:48.48 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Might want to wait until I get "page options" finished, it'll make that stuff easy :) |
| 15:50.47 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 15:51.08 | kergoth | welp, my boss gave me the time off |
| 15:51.19 | noda | time off? |
| 15:51.20 | kergoth | so ill be hitting vegas this weekend |
| 15:51.21 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 15:51.22 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:51.25 | noda | Oh, fun :) |
| 15:51.28 | kergoth | thurs, fri, mon off |
| 15:51.29 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 15:51.31 | noda | You gotta make lots of money :) |
| 15:51.33 | kergoth | i've never been there |
| 15:51.35 | kergoth | so itll be fun |
| 15:51.53 | kergoth | a friend knows a guy that may be able to get us into comdex thurs and fri as well |
| 15:52.11 | Cloudchaser | oh i hope you have a great time kergoth! |
| 15:52.18 | kergoth | thanks Cloudchaser |
| 15:52.27 | kergoth | i'll get the new vnc package out before i leave, dont worry |
| 15:52.28 | kergoth | hehehe |
| 15:52.35 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 15:52.40 | Cloudchaser | hehe cool..i'm getting desperate |
| 15:52.50 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i updated our build from source |
| 15:52.53 | Cloudchaser | i was stationed in las vegas ages ago |
| 15:52.54 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: but the compile fails |
| 15:53.02 | Cloudchaser | :( |
| 15:53.04 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i'm going to just steal their binaries from their ipk and stuff it into my OZ version |
| 15:53.07 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: just to get something available |
| 15:53.10 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 15:53.27 | Cloudchaser | i had to uninstsall the failed one manually |
| 15:53.31 | Cloudchaser | what a pita that is |
| 15:53.34 | Cloudchaser | 2 times |
| 15:53.44 | kergoth | ipkg files zaurus-fbvncserver|xargs rm -f |
| 15:53.45 | kergoth | ;) |
| 15:54.18 | numatrix | rm -f `ipkg files zaurus-fbvncserver` |
| 15:54.43 | numatrix | :-) |
| 15:54.47 | kergoth | god i love scripting |
| 15:54.52 | kergoth | shit is just a pain without it |
| 15:54.54 | numatrix | That's pretty much what I do all day. |
| 15:55.02 | Cloudchaser | i wish i knew more of it |
| 15:55.07 | _ibz | god must love scripting |
| 15:55.18 | Dessimat0r | my cat loves scripting |
| 15:55.21 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: read your entire set of startup scripts in your linux distro, thats a good start |
| 15:55.21 | numatrix | I couldn't code my way out of a cardboard box, but I can bash anything I need to do. |
| 15:55.44 | noda | Or write yourself some one-liners. For example, try to 'make clean' in every subdirectory in your source code dir through a script :) |
| 15:55.50 | kergoth | php, perl, python, shell, sed, awk, bash, ash, how i love thee |
| 15:56.00 | numatrix | I just picked up the pieces I needed to do something. Eventually I realized I could do pretty complex tasks. |
| 15:56.09 | _ibz | shell? |
| 15:56.13 | numatrix | It ain't always pretty, but it gets the job done. |
| 15:56.17 | numatrix | sed is wonderful |
| 15:56.23 | numatrix | awk is lovely |
| 15:56.30 | noda | bash is great :) |
| 15:56.32 | _ibz | perl is nasty |
| 15:56.33 | kergoth | i know awk and sed well, they're my friends |
| 15:56.45 | kergoth | but i just use perl most of the times that i need complex sed/awk stuff |
| 15:56.47 | kergoth | just easier |
| 15:57.03 | _ibz | ruby is better for perl programmers health |
| 15:57.10 | noda | Yeah, perl is great for quick-and-dirty stuff |
| 15:57.17 | kergoth | i need to learn ruby and python better |
| 15:57.22 | numatrix | I really should get around to doing more things in perl, but I'm just so used to bash and the regexp twins sed and awk that I can't get off 'em. |
| 15:57.32 | _ibz | kergoth: how many times you said that now? |
| 15:58.23 | kergoth | _ibz: far too many |
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| 15:58.35 | kergoth | _ibz: there are lots of things i need to do, theres just not enough time |
| 15:58.48 | kergoth | i love regex |
| 15:58.51 | TheMasterMind1 | ruby is sex |
| 15:58.52 | TheMasterMind1 | y |
| 15:58.53 | kergoth | not in c/c++ though |
| 15:58.58 | ljp_work | well, why not marry it then? |
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| 15:59.13 | _ibz | kergoth: hehe, not enough time, then you go buy the "art of programming" by knuth!!! that's funny! |
| 15:59.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:59.47 | kergoth | yeah, i bet those books collect dust on my shelves for 6 months before i actually get around to reading them |
| 16:00.09 | _ibz | kergoth: forget about trying to "read" them. |
| 16:00.13 | Cloudchaser | ok which of those ipkg commands should be used? and how do do that back tick on the z? |
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| 16:00.33 | kergoth | _ibz: hehe |
| 16:00.41 | kergoth | _ibz: damnit, i'll read them eventually, i swear |
| 16:00.41 | coup | kergoth: ping |
| 16:00.44 | _ibz | kergoth: i don't think many people outside of CS grads, have "read" the series... |
| 16:00.45 | kergoth | coup: pong |
| 16:00.49 | coup | ahh, excellent |
| 16:00.49 | kergoth | coup: yes, that ppp question belongs in the faq |
| 16:01.07 | coup | kergoth: any idea why since my last reflash I cant synch with Intellisynch anymore? |
| 16:01.19 | coup | v1.43E |
| 16:01.29 | kergoth | coup: no idea, intellisync should work fine, nothing has changed really |
| 16:01.34 | kergoth | coup: whats the behavior? |
| 16:01.45 | coup | kergoth: sec, i'll do it so i can give exact description |
| 16:01.49 | kergoth | k |
| 16:01.52 | coup | synching over 802.11b |
| 16:01.58 | coup | IP address is in the thingy, no probs |
| 16:02.16 | kergoth | coup: can you ftp to port 4242 from that ip? |
| 16:02.20 | kergoth | coup: login as root, password rootme |
| 16:02.22 | coup | sec |
| 16:02.42 | kergoth | fyi, if that works, try doing intellisync again after having done that, just for shits |
| 16:03.52 | kergoth | Why not just look at 2.5 and see how its done there instead of |
| 16:03.53 | kergoth | re-inventing the square wheel? 8) |
| 16:03.56 | kergoth | </quote> |
| 16:04.07 | kergoth | amusing |
| 16:04.20 | coup | "This version of Intellisynch for SL does not match the version on your Zaurus" "Intellisynch for SL will now exit" |
| 16:04.42 | kergoth | coup: where did you get that intellisync from? |
| 16:04.48 | coup | Sharp site |
| 16:04.53 | kergoth | which sharp site? |
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| 16:05.15 | coup | kergoth: http://www.sharp.co.uk/zaurus/support/support.htm#downloads |
| 16:05.35 | coup | kergoth: weird thing is, IIRC it was working up until my last reflash and ipkg upgrade |
| 16:06.47 | kergoth | coup: i havent touched the text file which contains the version that intellisync checks |
| 16:06.51 | coup | hmm |
| 16:07.01 | coup | know what file it is? i can check it |
| 16:07.21 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.35 | coup | i have a /home/root/Applications/syncend.txt |
| 16:08.42 | coup | no /home/root/systeminfo tho |
| 16:09.31 | kergoth | unstable? |
| 16:09.46 | kergoth | i'm on OZ 3.1-bk gcc3.2 built as of 3 days ago and i have it |
| 16:09.50 | kergoth | theres a linkver file in there |
| 16:09.55 | kergoth | that contains a version intellisync checks |
| 16:10.00 | coup | nope, i'm on stable |
| 16:10.25 | coup | or testing actually, but pretty much same thing |
| 16:10.41 | kergoth | yeah, testing is about to get a shitload of things from unstable |
| 16:10.44 | coup | found the synchend.txt file on my desktop box too, think i'll scp it to the Z and try that :) |
| 16:10.50 | kergoth | for the final testing phase |
| 16:10.56 | coup | sweet |
| 16:11.09 | numatrix | kergoth: Is there a drop site on OZ for an unstable initrd.bin? |
| 16:11.20 | coup | LOL whats that gonna say "if you're in testing, be prepared to write bug reports" ?? |
| 16:11.30 | kergoth | numatrix: the unstable dir is the apporopriate place. i havent uploaded any yet |
| 16:11.36 | kergoth | numatrix: i need to setup a cronjob |
| 16:11.39 | kergoth | numatrix: heh |
| 16:11.42 | numatrix | kergoth: ok, nevermind, then. :-) |
| 16:11.59 | numatrix | updating from the feed isn't that big of a deal. |
| 16:12.02 | chouimat | kergoth: did you know that cable channel is like women? |
| 16:12.07 | kergoth | chouimat: hah, why? |
| 16:12.15 | kergoth | numatrix: yeah, especially when we were fucking with /dev |
| 16:12.20 | kergoth | numatrix: ugly stuff |
| 16:12.22 | chouimat | you want to have several but you listen to none |
| 16:12.36 | kergoth | chouimat: hah, true that |
| 16:12.39 | numatrix | I was going to say: There's a ton you don't want and the ones you do you never get the timing right with? |
| 16:13.18 | kergoth | chouimat: let me know if it copmiles |
| 16:13.20 | kergoth | chouimat: mine failed |
| 16:13.23 | kergoth | compiles too |
| 16:13.33 | chouimat | kergoth: failed where? |
| 16:13.40 | kergoth | geh, i havent dated in 6 months. i need to get out again |
| 16:13.51 | kergoth | chouimat: undefined reference when it went to run dcopidl |
| 16:14.05 | kergoth | chouimat: but it couldve been something wrong in my qt/x11 3.1 build |
| 16:14.07 | kergoth | dunno |
| 16:14.16 | chouimat | kergoth: linked with -lstdc++? |
| 16:14.19 | kergoth | i decided i wasnt going to finish it today, not on a monday |
| 16:15.06 | kergoth | chouimat: i dont remember |
| 16:16.16 | coup | kergoth: hmm, copied file from the desktop to both /home/root/Applications and /home/root/systeminfo/ but to no avail :( |
| 16:16.30 | kergoth | coup: you need a text file named linkver |
| 16:16.33 | kergoth | coup: in systeminfo |
| 16:16.47 | kergoth | containing '1.1' |
| 16:16.50 | kergoth | exactly |
| 16:16.51 | kergoth | then it'll work |
| 16:16.54 | coup | kergoth: hmm, i have one in /root/systeminfo |
| 16:16.58 | kergoth | eh? |
| 16:17.00 | kergoth | um |
| 16:17.06 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.06 | coup | methinks my /home/root isn't linked right |
| 16:17.09 | kergoth | bingo |
| 16:17.15 | kergoth | intellisync checks /home/root |
| 16:17.20 | coup | how bizzard |
| 16:17.22 | coup | how bizzare |
| 16:17.22 | kergoth | fix the link |
| 16:17.25 | kergoth | bizzard! |
| 16:17.26 | coup | yup |
| 16:17.35 | coup | :P |
| 16:18.46 | coup | kergoth: ahh marvellous :) wonder what happened to my link then! must have been something to do with cp -a right back when i first moved it all to SD card! |
| 16:18.54 | kergoth | ahh |
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| 16:21.23 | coup | right, time for me to take a shower, just got back from football - stinkin! :) |
| 16:22.02 | coup | cbok'll be pleased i announced more of my personal habbits to the channel :) |
| 16:22.36 | coup | kergoth: are the feeds moved? i'm getting wget errors again, at least i was earlier |
| 16:23.39 | coup | ahh working now :) sweet :) |
| 16:25.36 | TheMasterMind1 | baaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:26.09 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:26.11 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:26.12 | kergoth | good idea |
| 16:28.03 | kergoth | chouimat: lol |
| 16:28.18 | numatrix | Is there a problem with opie-multikey in the unstable feed? My ipkg upgrade is getting hung up on it... |
| 16:28.45 | chouimat | kergoth: I forgot: and shouthing: " I'm a chicken" |
| 16:36.24 | TheMasterMind1 | who's laze? |
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| 16:37.55 | numatrix | There's no need/way to run fsck on jffs2, right? |
| 16:39.59 | numatrix | ahh; nevermind, found the problem with opie-multikey. I had let opie crash itself out after using the application program in one of the early bugs and was sshed in doing the upgrade; multikey's setup tried to connect to the local opie which was borked up, causing the hang. |
| 16:41.06 | kergoth | ahh |
| 16:43.51 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, upgrading opie while its running isn't too good an idea |
| 16:44.21 | numatrix | kergoth: Any ideas what was causing the problem when opie startup is put in the background? |
| 16:45.43 | Cloudchaser | is there some sort of sd card problem with oz? |
| 16:45.53 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: well, not a problem persay |
| 16:45.57 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: theres an faq on it |
| 16:45.58 | Cloudchaser | i did a data import the other day that took 40 minutes |
| 16:46.08 | Cloudchaser | should have been much faster |
| 16:46.14 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:46.15 | Cloudchaser | and it crashed 2 times |
| 16:46.17 | kergoth | read the faq. |
| 16:46.19 | Cloudchaser | i'll go look |
| 16:48.05 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, i fixed up html on this irda faq |
| 16:48.08 | TheMasterMind1 | very good faq entry |
| 16:48.49 | Cloudchaser | ok i'll give that a try |
| 16:49.07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: spiffy |
| 16:50.27 | Cloudchaser | i can still eject my card though with the applet on the botton right? if i change the fstab? |
| 16:50.44 | kergoth | yes |
| 16:50.50 | kergoth | in fact, if you remove sync, you -need- to |
| 16:51.03 | kergoth | sync makes it so writes happen immediately, so that you can theoretically remove the card without data loss |
| 16:51.28 | kergoth | without sync, the writes are asyncronous, and cached. so the actual data will get written whenever its convenient |
| 16:51.34 | kergoth | if you just make sure to eject the card you're fine |
| 16:52.00 | Cloudchaser | ah ok |
| 16:52.10 | Cloudchaser | i've only ejected my sd card by accident 2 times i think |
| 16:52.47 | numatrix | kergoth: Here's an idea for a faq item I'm willing to write up. If I don't ever plan on using the USB cradle, what modules can I safely remove, and how? |
| 16:52.59 | kergoth | numatrix: thats an idea |
| 16:53.02 | kergoth | numatrix: what i shuld really do |
| 16:53.03 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: sounds good |
| 16:53.11 | kergoth | numatrix: is use the familiar scripts to generate kernel module ipks |
| 16:53.12 | TheMasterMind1 | seperate package? |
| 16:53.13 | kergoth | numatrix: for each modules |
| 16:53.15 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:53.18 | TheMasterMind1 | each module.. |
| 16:53.19 | TheMasterMind1 | fun |
| 16:53.19 | kergoth | not just one big ass kernel modules package |
| 16:53.21 | kergoth | not each module |
| 16:53.25 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, groups |
| 16:53.28 | kergoth | but like .. grouped |
| 16:53.28 | kergoth | yup |
| 16:53.40 | Cloudchaser | ejecting my sd card crashes me to the login |
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| 16:53.53 | numatrix | Yeah, that would be really nice. That you could simply list the ones you could remove if you didn't want that particular function. It'd be nice to allow people to streamline things as much as they can. |
| 16:54.20 | TheMasterMind1 | also, i'm thinking we need to change the package names of fluxbox and icewm and xmonobut to tinyx-fluxbox etc |
| 16:54.25 | numatrix | I remember the last time I tried to remove some of the modules, I ran into some.. quirks. ;-) |
| 16:54.33 | TheMasterMind1 | will make it semiorganized |
| 16:54.48 | Cloudchaser | that happened the other day too |
| 16:55.11 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser eject via the cardmon? |
| 16:55.12 | numatrix | Might it also be useful to require applications in the build root to be called: qpe-whatever or pg-whatever or x-whatever. When I see gnuboy, I have no clue what it's for. Don't know if this has changed recently, but I know it was this way a while ago. |
| 16:55.25 | Cloudchaser | through the little applet on the bottom |
| 16:56.05 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser yea, that's cardmon. sounds like an opie bug.. report it on mantis |
| 16:57.07 | numatrix | kergoth: can I remove sa1100_bi, net_fd, usbdcore and usbdmonitor? Since usbdcore is used by sa1100_bin and net_fd, it seems like they'd have to go as well. Or can they? |
| 16:58.15 | Cloudchaser | ok, i just tried it again and it did the same tihng |
| 16:59.40 | Cloudchaser | ibot opie bugs |
| 16:59.40 | | it has been said that opie bugs is http://opie.info/bugs/ |
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| 17:03.30 | kergoth | numatrix|away: yeah, you can remove them |
| 17:03.34 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: dont report it yet |
| 17:03.38 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: it may not be a opie bug |
| 17:03.47 | TheMasterMind1 | no? |
| 17:03.49 | Cloudchaser | hehe just caught me |
| 17:03.50 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: well, opie is reacting badly, but the root cause could be something else entirely |
| 17:03.56 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 17:04.01 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: run konsole |
| 17:04.07 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: run /etc/sdcontrol compeject |
| 17:04.12 | kergoth | with the card inserted and mounted |
| 17:05.01 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 17:05.06 | kergoth | did that work fine? |
| 17:05.15 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 17:05.27 | Cloudchaser | says "killed" |
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| 17:05.43 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: hm, okay, but it dropped you do a prompt right? |
| 17:05.47 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: and opie is still running? |
| 17:06.08 | Cloudchaser | yes opie still running and back and konsole prompt |
| 17:06.27 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: okay, reinsert the card, then do it from cardmon again, see if it crashes again |
| 17:06.36 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: if so, then finish your bug report in mantis :) |
| 17:07.01 | Cloudchaser | i did, and it did crash |
| 17:07.10 | kergoth | gah |
| 17:07.13 | kergoth | thats fucked up |
| 17:07.16 | kergoth | report it |
| 17:07.20 | Cloudchaser | cf card ejects fine (wireless) |
| 17:07.39 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 17:07.58 | Cloudchaser | should i note that i did that command in the report? |
| 17:08.22 | NightStar | Doesn't VNC really work? I have the server running and I have a viewer on my desktop, but mouse doesn't seem to be able to actually select anything. |
| 17:08.36 | Cloudchaser | no it doesn't work |
| 17:08.42 | kergoth | NightStar: known, reported bug |
| 17:08.48 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: you want this new fbvncserver ipk to test? |
| 17:08.48 | NightStar | Thanks. |
| 17:09.01 | Cloudchaser | sure ;) |
| 17:09.05 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:09.08 | kergoth | is sf still read only? |
| 17:09.50 | kergoth | geh |
| 17:09.52 | kergoth | still fucked |
| 17:09.57 | kergoth | scp: ./fbvncserver_0.3-2_arm.ipk: Read-only file system |
| 17:10.05 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: email? |
| 17:12.41 | tux_mike | are they doing maint.? |
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| 17:13.44 | Cloudchaser | ok bug submitted |
| 17:14.08 | Coup | someone on one of the mail lists said oz was leaving SF? |
| 17:14.17 | Coup | or being booted off? |
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| 17:15.15 | kergoth | Coup: not oz |
| 17:15.19 | kergoth | Coup: the 'zaurus' sf project |
| 17:15.47 | Coup | ahhh wassat then? |
| 17:15.55 | Coup | sharps stuff? |
| 17:15.58 | kergoth | its sharp's zaurus project |
| 17:16.05 | kergoth | it has the original fbvncserver packages from pierre |
| 17:16.09 | kergoth | lots of old school stuff |
| 17:16.16 | neale | oh, hi. |
| 17:16.22 | kergoth | from during the dev program |
| 17:16.23 | kergoth | hey neale |
| 17:16.24 | Coup | righto :) |
| 17:16.34 | neale | what's new? |
| 17:16.44 | kergoth | nada |
| 17:16.45 | kergoth | its monday |
| 17:16.50 | kergoth | which is implicitly bad |
| 17:16.51 | neale | excellent :) |
| 17:17.01 | kergoth | mondays hate me |
| 17:17.04 | kergoth | but its mutual |
| 17:17.09 | neale | ha ha |
| 17:17.28 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: get my mail(s)? |
| 17:17.37 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 17:17.37 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 17:17.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:17.45 | neale | so, have you had a chance to fiddle with apmd? |
| 17:17.48 | chouimat | kergoth: in vegas next weekend? |
| 17:17.54 | kergoth | so neo might be willing to build gcc3.2 packages |
| 17:17.56 | kergoth | that would rock |
| 17:18.01 | kergoth | candycruncher on the 3.2 rom |
| 17:18.03 | kergoth | !@%# |
| 17:18.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:18.11 | kergoth | neale: havent had time to implement it |
| 17:18.15 | NightStar | Thanks for the screenshots on the web site. :) |
| 17:18.17 | neale | s'coo |
| 17:18.18 | kergoth | neale: i'm looking forward to telling atd to go fuck itself though |
| 17:18.23 | neale | ha ha |
| 17:18.34 | neale | I've been running it since I sent that email, no problems. |
| 17:18.37 | kergoth | nice |
| 17:18.51 | chouimat | kergoth: it's go play hide and fuck yourself |
| 17:18.54 | neale | Although when I tell it to suspend, for some reason, it takes about 10 seconds to actually do it. |
| 17:18.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:19.06 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah, i'll be in vegas thursday-sunday |
| 17:19.13 | kergoth | neale: weird |
| 17:19.28 | chouimat | kergoth: remember "Don't be a fool, Wrap your tool" :P |
| 17:19.35 | kergoth | hah, yeah yeah |
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| 17:25.54 | Dessimat0r | lo all ;) |
| 17:26.15 | Dessimat0r | When printing out lines using the 'echo' statement, how can colour be added? |
| 17:26.43 | Dessimat0r | on the basic console in a script file |
| 17:27.37 | Cloudchaser | ok kergoth: it instsalled |
| 17:27.40 | Cloudchaser | rebooting now |
| 17:27.56 | Cloudchaser | i'll try calibrating with that stupid mediamount on my screen and hope for the best |
| 17:28.47 | Cloudchaser | doesnt seem to matter if i check the box "don't check this media any more" it still shows up |
| 17:28.54 | Cloudchaser | does anyone else have that issue? |
| 17:31.06 | Cloudchaser | ok kergoth.. same issue |
| 17:31.10 | Cloudchaser | it won't calibrate |
| 17:31.46 | Cloudchaser | but it does refresh the screen |
| 17:32.01 | ciao_linux | It's not easy, being green. |
| 17:32.01 | ciao_linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.10 | Coup | its not easy looking this good |
| 17:33.13 | Coup | --coup |
| 17:33.55 | Coup | its not easy writing code this obfuscated |
| 17:33.58 | Coup | --coup |
| 17:34.20 | Cloudchaser | is there any way at all to prevent medium mount from popping up when i reboot? |
| 17:34.30 | Cloudchaser | i think its getting the the way of vnc calibration |
| 17:34.33 | beattie | it was done on purpose? that explains a lot |
| 17:34.55 | Cloudchaser | beattie: was that in response to me? |
| 17:35.08 | beattie | Cloudchaser, no Coup |
| 17:35.26 | Coup | i have a problem with medium mount when i have a totally full CF inserted. pops up three out of space msg boxes |
| 17:36.00 | Cloudchaser | well i can't calibrate vnc and that's a problem |
| 17:36.27 | Coup | incidentally the SL-5500 came 2nd in the PC Pro PDA roundup (uk, jan issue) |
| 17:36.46 | Cloudchaser | cool |
| 17:37.13 | Coup | cloud can you stop the mediamount app running? is it run from rc.d? |
| 17:37.21 | Cloudchaser | i can't |
| 17:37.27 | Cloudchaser | its int he launcher kergoth said |
| 17:37.50 | Coup | hmm |
| 17:38.21 | Coup | not any moddable configs for that? |
| 17:38.24 | Cloudchaser_ | and that's a show stopper for me |
| 17:38.31 | Cloudchaser_ | i have no idea |
| 17:38.49 | Coup | have to have CF in when booting? |
| 17:39.21 | Cloudchaser_ | i tried to uninstall it but apparently i only uinstalled some setting app |
| 17:39.26 | Cloudchaser_ | i have to have sd card in |
| 17:39.33 | Coup | ahh |
| 17:39.49 | Coup | weird i dont get a mediamount on reboot |
| 17:39.54 | Cloudchaser_ | you don't? |
| 17:39.56 | Coup | for my SD |
| 17:39.57 | Cloudchaser_ | and you have sd card in? |
| 17:40.04 | Coup | yup |
| 17:40.06 | Cloudchaser_ | and i have wireless card in too |
| 17:40.13 | badalex|dinner | ibot mencoder |
| 17:40.13 | | mencoder is probably an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ or use this simple script to convert ibot's movies http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt, or see http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/encoding.html |
| 17:40.30 | badalex|dinner | i love ibot :) |
| 17:40.32 | Coup | 128mb Crucial SD, MA701 wifi card |
| 17:40.55 | Cloudchaser_ | how did you get it to not come up? |
| 17:41.03 | ciao_linux | ibot's movies? |
| 17:41.17 | Coup | dont think i did anything TBH |
| 17:41.48 | Coup | perhaps its cos i have symlinks from / to my SD? (opt, root, home; |
| 17:42.11 | Cloudchaser_ | dunno ;( |
| 17:43.38 | ciao_linux | is it possible to use a zaurus as a infrared receiver for a pc? |
| 17:43.41 | BZFlag | ibot no, mencoder is an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ or use this simple script http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt, or see http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/encoding.html |
| 17:43.41 | | okay, BZFlag |
| 17:44.20 | Cloudchaser_ | ok well i reinstalled the mediummount gui and disabled it |
| 17:44.24 | ciao_linux | chouimat|bored: since you are bored, did you spend some time on rewriting minix? ;-) |
| 17:44.28 | Cloudchaser_ | so we'll see what happens here |
| 17:44.45 | NightStar | I think my boss just installed opie-remove |
| 17:44.53 | Dessimat0r | lol! erk. |
| 17:44.54 | NightStar | I won't admit it. |
| 17:45.07 | NightStar | but opie is now un-installed. |
| 17:45.09 | Cloudchaser_ | WOOOHOOO that did the trick! |
| 17:45.16 | Cloudchaser_ | ok, now to try vnc again :) |
| 17:45.20 | Dessimat0r | I did that once |
| 17:45.27 | Dessimat0r | to see what the package did |
| 17:45.28 | NightStar | He claims he was just upgrading a package. |
| 17:45.41 | chouimat|bored | ciao_linux: nope. I will go watch some porn before |
| 17:46.31 | NightStar | snicker |
| 17:47.00 | Dessimat0r | chouimat|bored: my CF card craves the new minix *strokes CF card* ;) |
| 17:47.38 | ljp | Cloudchaser: do you have the volume applet from OZ3 installed? |
| 17:48.19 | Dessimat0r | What does the crap inside capacitors smell like? |
| 17:48.36 | Cloudchaser_ | ok well that didn't do the trick, still no calibration |
| 17:48.43 | Cloudchaser_ | yes i have volume applet |
| 17:48.52 | Cloudchaser_ | damn |
| 17:49.08 | ljp | update volume applet to the one in unstable |
| 17:49.19 | NightStar | Dessimat0r: The magic smoke? |
| 17:49.19 | Cloudchaser_ | ok why? |
| 17:49.32 | ljp | it causes crashes |
| 17:49.40 | ljp | :D |
| 17:49.48 | Cloudchaser_ | ok |
| 17:49.52 | ljp | in fact, everyone should, really |
| 17:49.54 | Cloudchaser_ | but it won't make much difference soon |
| 17:50.06 | Cloudchaser_ | cause i really need vnc |
| 17:51.10 | ljp | ahh |
| 17:51.17 | ljp | damn fastolfe! |
| 17:51.22 | Cloudchaser_ | well shit |
| 17:51.34 | Cloudchaser_ | apparently i have to have medium mount running |
| 17:51.36 | ljp | vnc still doesnt work? |
| 17:51.50 | Cloudchaser_ | cause now the packamanager doesn't see my ipk on the sd card |
| 17:51.52 | ljp | huh? why? |
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| 17:52.05 | ljp | hmm |
| 17:52.09 | Cloudchaser_ | no vnc not working.. i can't calibrate it |
| 17:52.28 | ciao_linux | chouimat|bored: ok.. |
| 17:52.45 | ciao_linux | chouimat|bored: but what if you want to copy your porn to a cf card, and it is more than 64MB? |
| 17:53.01 | ciao_linux | chouimat|bored: wouldn't be useful to have minix for that? |
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| 17:54.12 | Cloudchaser_ | this is too frustrating :( |
| 17:55.39 | kergoth`out | Cloudchaser_: doesnt calibrate? |
| 17:55.45 | kergoth`out | Cloudchaser_: the file in /etc is never created? |
| 17:56.00 | Cloudchaser_ | no and now ipkg local aren't seen |
| 17:56.06 | Cloudchaser_ | yes it got created kergoth |
| 17:56.08 | Cloudchaser_ | one time |
| 17:56.15 | Cloudchaser_ | but no cursor control |
| 17:56.43 | kergoth`out | hmm |
| 17:56.47 | Cloudchaser_ | then i uninstalled it and |
| 17:56.49 | kergoth`out | its refreshing though? |
| 17:56.52 | Cloudchaser_ | shut off the media mount |
| 17:56.57 | Cloudchaser_ | yes it is refreshing |
| 17:57.04 | kergoth`out | hmm |
| 17:57.08 | Cloudchaser_ | then the media mount didn't come up |
| 17:57.14 | kergoth`out | okay, let me hook up my Z and test it here |
| 17:57.15 | Cloudchaser_ | so i did calibration but still nothing |
| 17:57.26 | kergoth | but the file exists? |
| 17:57.26 | Cloudchaser_ | now, i dont have local ipkg in package manager |
| 17:57.29 | kergoth | just no ts input? |
| 17:57.30 | ciao_linux | kergoth`out: once you told me about a bug regarding using ethernet bridging related with usbnet... but i don't remember what exactly had the bug: the patch from linux-usb-devel? |
| 17:57.36 | Cloudchaser_ | no the file is gone |
| 17:57.49 | kergoth | ciao_linux: yes |
| 17:57.58 | Cloudchaser_ | oh no |
| 17:58.00 | kergoth | ciao_linux: its the Z speciifc piece of the patch. it breaks bridging |
| 17:58.01 | Cloudchaser_ | i lied! |
| 17:58.02 | Cloudchaser_ | its there |
| 17:58.12 | Cloudchaser_ | tssimd in /etc/sbin |
| 17:58.22 | kergoth | ciao_linux: but other than that, it works. like if you just use forwarding with proxyarp or something instead of ethernet bridging |
| 17:58.25 | ciao_linux | kergoth: if i use a ppp connection, is it fine? |
| 17:58.26 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: ? |
| 17:58.29 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: i'm talking about the calibration file in /etc |
| 17:58.38 | kergoth | ciao_linux: its -only- ethernet *bridging* |
| 17:58.46 | ciao_linux | kergoth: ok.. great. |
| 17:58.47 | Cloudchaser_ | i thought you said it was tssmid |
| 17:58.48 | kergoth | ciao_linux: and ppp over usb doesnt use usbnet, ut uses usbserial |
| 17:58.52 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: tssmid is the daemon |
| 17:59.03 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: a calibration text file is created in /etc that contains the actual calibration |
| 17:59.09 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: is tssmid running? in sysinfo? |
| 17:59.45 | ciao_linux | kergoth: is there something for debian for the 2.4.20-rc1? |
| 17:59.46 | Cloudchaser_ | no |
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| 18:00.04 | kergoth | ciao_linux: eh? |
| 18:00.07 | kergoth | ciao_linux: use make-kpkg |
| 18:00.15 | kergoth | ciao_linux: it lets you build debian kernel packages from a kernel.org source |
| 18:00.32 | ciao_linux | kergoth: ok... |
| 18:00.34 | kergoth | ciao_linux: its in the 'kernel-package' package. apt-get install k |
| 18:00.36 | kergoth | er |
| 18:00.42 | kergoth | apt-get install kernel-package |
| 18:00.55 | Cloudchaser_ | kergoth what is that text file called? |
| 18:01.27 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: /etc/tssim_cal.conf |
| 18:01.34 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: its not there, because your tssimd isnt running |
| 18:01.39 | Cloudchaser_ | ok |
| 18:01.44 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: now why its not running, thats the real question |
| 18:01.47 | kergoth | i'll dig into it here |
| 18:01.47 | Cloudchaser_ | so that is what the issue is then |
| 18:01.55 | Cloudchaser_ | ok thanks so much kergoth |
| 18:01.59 | ljp | zlib |
| 18:02.09 | kergoth | zlib? |
| 18:02.12 | kergoth | what about zlib? |
| 18:02.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:02.17 | ljp | ya heh I dunno |
| 18:02.20 | kergoth | oz includes zlib1g out of the box, its required for ssh |
| 18:02.22 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:02.24 | ljp | fbvnc |
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| 18:04.48 | Cloudchaser_ | ok now i need to get local packages to show up in the package manager again |
| 18:04.50 | Dessimat0r | zlib1g.. I was missing that one day for some reason |
| 18:04.54 | Dessimat0r | had to reinstall ;) |
| 18:05.14 | Dessimat0r | or Opie wouldn't start up |
| 18:07.06 | ljp | hmm |
| 18:07.14 | guised | whats all this buzz about picogui |
| 18:07.32 | ljp | who knows |
| 18:08.31 | scanline | buzz? what buzz? |
| 18:08.39 | ljp | on /. |
| 18:08.44 | guised | i've been hearing people talking about it |
| 18:08.45 | ljp | buzzhead |
| 18:08.48 | scanline | lunacy |
| 18:08.50 | guised | never really understood it |
| 18:09.00 | scanline | guised: you're not alone :) |
| 18:09.00 | ljp | it's some new cereal |
| 18:09.04 | Cloudchaser_ | ok could someone maybe help me out? |
| 18:09.20 | Dessimat0r | Its an alternative to Opie? Isn't it? ;) |
| 18:09.24 | Cloudchaser_ | i need to re-add something so that package manager sees packages locally. |
| 18:09.41 | Cloudchaser_ | but i'm not sure what to put in "servers" |
| 18:10.22 | guised | man, all i wanted to do when i started playing around with all these alternatives to the sharp rom... |
| 18:10.35 | guised | ...was to be able to play mpeg4's smoothly |
| 18:11.27 | guised | i hope they work out opie player2's problems with the memory hogging and all |
| 18:12.45 | badalex|dinner | ibot mencoder |
| 18:12.45 | | i guess mencoder is an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ or use this simple script http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt, or see http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/encoding.html |
| 18:12.56 | badalex|dinner | any one know the guy that did http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/encoding.html |
| 18:13.17 | badalex|dinner | his oggencoder.sh dosent contain anything... |
| 18:16.44 | guised | really? |
| 18:17.02 | badalex|dinner | er |
| 18:17.15 | badalex|dinner | well i guess its just being retarted |
| 18:17.20 | Dessimat0r | encode in xvid @ 320 x 240, bitrate of 200, audio - stereo, 64k/s |
| 18:17.26 | Dessimat0r | works for me ;) |
| 18:17.28 | Dessimat0r | in mplayer |
| 18:17.32 | guised | i mean, won't i still need op2 to playback the the stuff? |
| 18:17.41 | guised | or can i just use the sharp player? |
| 18:18.10 | guised | woah |
| 18:18.13 | guised | i completely misunderstood |
| 18:18.14 | guised | lol |
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| 18:19.08 | guised | im sorry, i fried my brain this weekend writing 15 pager on the SAT/ACTs and the nature of education |
| 18:20.06 | jmhodges | heeheheh |
| 18:21.25 | ciao_linux | kergoth: i can't find the linux-usb-devel patch... do you have it? |
| 18:21.30 | guised | so will mplayer work with the sharp rom or do i have to go to OZ |
| 18:21.37 | chouimat|bored | guised: urk! |
| 18:23.34 | badalex|dinner | lol, my home drive was full |
| 18:26.33 | ciao_linux | does anyone know how unstable the 2.5.48 kernel is? |
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| 18:29.29 | guised | chouimat|bored: does that mean it'll work? |
| 18:29.31 | guised | lol |
| 18:34.46 | guised | ibot mencoder |
| 18:34.46 | | hmm... mencoder is an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ or use this simple script http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt, or see http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/encoding.html |
| 18:43.02 | kergoth | guised: it'll work, but you should go to oz anyway |
| 18:43.06 | kergoth | guised: </shameless plug> |
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| 18:44.13 | kergoth | Wumpscut - Blank Death |
| 18:44.14 | kergoth | good shit |
| 18:44.24 | DaWorm | Ahey |
| 18:44.32 | kergoth | hey DaWorm |
| 18:45.36 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 18:45.38 | DaWorm | later then |
| 18:47.51 | ciao_linux | kergoth: can you give me some hint on where to find the linux-usb-devel patch for usbnet? |
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| 19:03.06 | ciao_linux | ibot: oz bk |
| 19:03.06 | | i guess oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
| 19:10.11 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 19:11.25 | DaWorm | whats new in OZ land |
| 19:11.26 | DaWorm | :) |
| 19:12.21 | ljp | poppies |
| 19:19.18 | ljp | ibot test |
| 19:19.18 | | Test failed! |
| 19:19.43 | ljp | my cat keeps finding little computer hardware screws |
| 19:19.49 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 19:20.15 | chouimat|tv | ljp: hehe |
| 19:20.31 | ljp | which is good |
| 19:20.44 | ljp | so they dont get sucked into the vacuum |
| 19:21.01 | guised | has there been a work around for hancom? |
| 19:21.13 | chouimat|tv | definitly need another bookshelf |
| 19:22.04 | ljp | hancom word? |
| 19:22.23 | guised | yep |
| 19:22.43 | guised | ive gotten addicted to doodling notes on my z |
| 19:23.10 | ljp | doodling? on hancom? |
| 19:23.13 | guised | something else troubling about oz is that i cant seem to transfer files to my sd... |
| 19:23.14 | guised | yeah |
| 19:24.39 | DaWorm | hancom paint? |
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| 19:25.32 | guised | DaWorm: nah, i've gotten into a bad habit of taking notes during class with the Z |
| 19:25.38 | guised | using hancom word |
| 19:25.54 | guised | i could do it with any old text editor, but nothing comes up under the documents tab |
| 19:26.15 | guised | it seems that oz doesn |
| 19:26.27 | guised | doesn't like reading my sd card |
| 19:26.30 | DaWorm | oh how did you got hancom working on oz anyway |
| 19:27.07 | guised | it works 50/50 with the instructions jamus put up on the zauruszone forum... |
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| 19:27.58 | guised | DaWorm: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=4519&s=15fe6b73fcfe4a838eed40a8aece69d9 |
| 19:28.32 | DaWorm | ahhh |
| 19:28.38 | DaWorm | lemme check |
| 19:28.39 | guised | isn't it strange, though, that i can't see what the heck is on my SD card under documents? |
| 19:28.43 | Cloudchaser | shouldn't have to go trhough hoops to get that to work though |
| 19:29.01 | Cloudchaser | thats what the media mount is for |
| 19:29.10 | Cloudchaser | i think you can set it to see everything |
| 19:29.13 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 19:29.14 | Cloudchaser | or not everything |
| 19:29.34 | guised | really? I'm so bad at using OZ |
| 19:30.06 | guised | the first time i used it, i tried messing around with the tabs thingy and it logged me out |
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| 19:30.15 | DaWorm | seg fault? |
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| 19:30.35 | *** part/#openzaurus mrz80 (~scotsman@n128-227-69-108.xlate.ufl.edu) |
| 19:30.41 | guised | i dunno; i haven't tried it since... is a seg fault bad? |
| 19:31.23 | DaWorm | well not really |
| 19:32.58 | *** join/#openzaurus mrz80 (~scotsman@n128-227-69-108.xlate.ufl.edu) |
| 19:33.18 | guised | is there an easier way for me to transfer files instead of having to eject everything and stick cards into their respective readers? |
| 19:33.43 | DaWorm | hmmm? ftp? |
| 19:35.52 | DaWorm | how do you play backgammon? |
| 19:35.54 | guised | i guess ws_ftp would work for that then, eh? |
| 19:36.00 | DaWorm | of course |
| 19:36.35 | guised | backgammon, you move some tiles along some spikes and you roll dice... |
| 19:36.49 | guised | its typically reserved for geriatric women |
| 19:37.04 | DaWorm | i got a board as a gift...hmmm..wonder what that means |
| 19:37.19 | DaWorm | its a nice board though..good for a coffee table |
| 19:37.27 | guised | lol |
| 19:38.16 | guised | i use a chessboard on a crate |
| 19:38.34 | guised | i actually use it to play chess sometimes |
| 19:39.02 | DaWorm | yeah but at home we prefer real money monopoly |
| 19:39.03 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 19:39.40 | guised | heh |
| 19:40.42 | guised | my suitemate's gotten addicted to video games |
| 19:41.42 | guised | all he does is translate irish, read the bible, and play tekken 4 or whatever the latest thing is |
| 19:41.56 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 19:42.13 | DaWorm | read the bible then beat the crap out of tekken 4 |
| 19:42.20 | guised | lol |
| 19:42.40 | guised | wierd combination |
| 19:43.14 | ljp | well, you know. .the crusade thing |
| 19:43.23 | guised | lol |
| 19:43.28 | DaWorm | well unless tekken has moses or judas on it |
| 19:43.59 | mrz80 | Y'know, backgammon *can* be made more interesting if you're playing an appropriately-receptive member of the appropriate gender; just play for clothing ;-) |
| 19:44.02 | guised | i can see it now... judas' special move would be throw silver |
| 19:44.14 | guised | mrz80: lol |
| 19:44.31 | DaWorm | throw silver |
| 19:44.31 | DaWorm | hahaha |
| 19:44.50 | ljp | or play nude backgammon |
| 19:45.16 | DaWorm | screw backgammon and just go nude |
| 19:45.41 | guised | skip the bs |
| 19:45.42 | guised | heh |
| 19:47.29 | guised | godamn |
| 19:47.29 | guised | he just showed me the word for juggle |
| 19:47.29 | guised | in irish its got 18 letters... |
| 19:47.45 | DaWorm | i thought the irish spoke english too |
| 19:48.13 | guised | some still speak gaelic |
| 19:48.32 | DaWorm | interesting |
| 19:48.39 | ljp | arrg. them irish |
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| 19:49.16 | guised | hmm.. this medium mount thing isn't working |
| 19:49.23 | guised | im supposed to be able to see everything, right? |
| 19:49.30 | billytwowilly | me too. I keep mine in a jar in the refrigerator |
| 19:49.54 | billytwowilly | that was to ljp |
| 19:50.01 | ljp | hehe |
| 19:50.09 | ljp | I'm also Irish tho |
| 19:50.25 | ljp | so there's always a good fight going on |
| 19:51.20 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 19:51.58 | ljp | that is until the German part of me takes over |
| 19:52.33 | guised | then what happens? |
| 19:52.40 | billytwowilly | heh, Thought germans liked to fight too. |
| 19:52.41 | DaWorm | i was reading this short alternate history novel last weekend |
| 19:52.43 | ljp | ewww. it gets fugly |
| 19:52.50 | DaWorm | about germany during the holy roman empire |
| 19:52.52 | DaWorm | nasty stuff |
| 19:53.11 | ljp | hmm ya you never really hear about that |
| 19:53.40 | DaWorm | germany getting ransacked by croats, swedes, and the like |
| 19:54.51 | guised | i've always liked counterfactual history... its often more interesting than what's actually happened |
| 19:55.20 | ciao_linux | did anyone try kernel >2.5.45? |
| 19:55.29 | ljp | can anyone get into http://www.opie.info/bugs/ ? |
| 19:55.42 | DaWorm | yeah but what i read was weird...this american town got zapped into germany 400 years earlier |
| 19:55.55 | DaWorm | so you got mine workers in sub machine guns blasting away a tercio |
| 19:56.01 | Cloudchaser | ljp i posted a bug there earlier |
| 19:56.05 | guised | lol |
| 19:56.07 | DaWorm | and wiping a cavalry in 5 minutes |
| 19:56.08 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 19:56.13 | mrz80 | ljp: I get a login prompt, but it ain't accepting what I thought was my userid/pw combo |
| 19:56.28 | ljp | I cant even get anything |
| 19:57.35 | guised | DaWorm: sounds remiss of the 6th Armored Divison running over Iraqi teenage conscripts in Desert Storm |
| 19:57.40 | guised | can anyone give me a quick walkthrough of how to set up ftp to my z? |
| 19:58.03 | DaWorm | at least theyre conscripts |
| 19:58.03 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 19:58.04 | ljp | hmm opera didnt like to go there for whatever reason |
| 19:58.58 | guised | DaWorm: ever read "The Man in the High Castle" by Philip K. Dick |
| 19:58.59 | ljp | mrz80: I can reset your password |
| 19:59.29 | mrz80 | ljp: Of course, that presumes I did, in fact, actually set up a userid in the first place :-) |
| 19:59.31 | DaWorm | guised: nope...fiction? |
| 20:00.00 | guised | DaWorm: yeah, counterfactual about what if Germany and Japan won the WWII |
| 20:01.03 | guised | its interesting |
| 20:01.26 | guised | does anyone know the page that tells newbies how to set up the ftp for the Z? |
| 20:01.29 | ljp | then I wouldnt have any problem understanding the opie devs when they speak german :) |
| 20:01.50 | kergoth | guised: 'the ftp'? |
| 20:02.18 | guised | ljp: lol |
| 20:02.37 | guised | kergoth: yeah... ftp connection to transfer files or something, so that i don't have to eject my cards every five seconds |
| 20:02.37 | ljp | ftp port 4242 root rootme |
| 20:02.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:02.54 | kergoth | guised: rtfm |
| 20:03.00 | DaWorm | heh |
| 20:03.17 | guised | goth: could ya send me the link? |
| 20:03.21 | kergoth | uhm |
| 20:03.24 | kergoth | ibot: faq |
| 20:03.24 | | i guess faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or at http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html or at http://www.openzaurus.org/ |
| 20:03.27 | kergoth | rtfm |
| 20:03.29 | kergoth | ^^ |
| 20:03.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:03.41 | guised | lol |
| 20:04.55 | chouimat | RTFM RTFM RTFM RTFM RTFM --- but I don't know how to read |
| 20:05.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:05.23 | guised | since i already sound like a moron, why can't i view all the files on my sd card? |
| 20:05.54 | ljp | whats RTFM? |
| 20:06.00 | kergoth | PicoBot: rtfm |
| 20:06.01 | PicoBot | rumour has it rtfm is an abbreviation for "Read The Fucking Manual" (original definition) or "Read The Fine Manual" (if you want to pretend to be polite) |
| 20:06.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:06.06 | kergoth | ! |
| 20:06.58 | mrz80 | "Fucking manual" would that be Masters and Johnson? |
| 20:07.29 | chouimat | mrz80: lol |
| 20:07.36 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:07.51 | ljp | no, 'the joy of sex' |
| 20:07.57 | chouimat | kergoth: add that to picobot |
| 20:07.58 | kergoth | IS IT YOU?! |
| 20:08.11 | kergoth | PicoBot: fucking manual |
| 20:08.12 | PicoBot | kergoth: what? |
| 20:08.17 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 20:08.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:08.35 | kergoth | PicoBot: fucking manual is that which you should read |
| 20:08.36 | PicoBot | OK, kergoth. |
| 20:08.39 | kergoth | woot |
| 20:08.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:08.55 | scanline | openzaurus snapshot is stuck since sourceforge went read-only :-/ |
| 20:09.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:09.11 | *** join/#openzaurus DaWorm (~jsg@202.57.71.238) |
| 20:09.12 | kergoth | openzaurus.org is stuck too :) |
| 20:09.23 | scanline | my screenshot page is stuck! |
| 20:09.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:09.39 | kergoth | fuck, my neck hurts |
| 20:09.53 | kergoth | i need to get a woman so i can get massages again |
| 20:09.53 | kergoth | HEH |
| 20:11.30 | ljp | ditto |
| 20:13.29 | guised | ibot faq |
| 20:13.29 | | from memory, faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or at http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html or at http://www.openzaurus.org/ |
| 20:14.18 | guised | goddamn |
| 20:14.32 | guised | are there any setting i have to make in the zaurus so that i can ftp to it? |
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| 20:15.03 | guised | i've searching through all three of the fucking manuals |
| 20:15.04 | guised | ;-) |
| 20:15.05 | kergoth | guised: run security and hit OK |
| 20:15.11 | kergoth | guised: the sync software uses it |
| 20:15.16 | kergoth | guised: read the OZ sync faq entry |
| 20:15.25 | guised | goth: thanks |
| 20:15.31 | DaWorm | run security and set to "any" so you can see how it works |
| 20:15.36 | guised | goth: which page? |
| 20:15.43 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:15.45 | kergoth | openzaurus.org |
| 20:15.49 | kergoth | faq |
| 20:15.50 | kergoth | search |
| 20:15.51 | kergoth | 'sync' |
| 20:15.53 | DaWorm | its in the faq |
| 20:15.56 | kergoth | do i have to hold your hand too? |
| 20:16.05 | DaJoker | ooh ooh.. hold mine too please |
| 20:16.13 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 20:16.36 | ljp | not mine, cause kergoths hand is always too sweaty |
| 20:16.54 | kergoth | mine? i thought that was you sweating |
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| 20:18.26 | noda | Moo! |
| 20:18.46 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 20:18.55 | noda | Is op2 working with gcc-3.2 yet on your system? :) |
| 20:19.05 | kergoth | naw, didnt even add xine to buildroot yet |
| 20:19.26 | noda | Aww :) |
| 20:19.39 | noda | That kind of Monday I guess? |
| 20:19.54 | noda | I burned my fingertips on a plate... it was in the fucking MICROWAVE and it burned my fingertips. |
| 20:20.03 | noda | (microwaves aren't supposed to heat plates...) |
| 20:20.09 | kergoth | haha |
| 20:20.30 | noda | This plate has betrayed me before, I should have been more cautious. |
| 20:20.36 | kergoth | evil plate |
| 20:21.31 | noda | btw, my modular Admin system has created a single abstracted table :) |
| 20:21.45 | chouimat | huh? I have a 4GB ram0 file in /tmp |
| 20:21.52 | noda | That is almost complete... I just need to do a Select box object. |
| 20:22.01 | kergoth | the time has come to close your eyes. the time has come to realize. from life. this is your life. life. this was your life. |
| 20:22.05 | kergoth | if you should die, die in winter |
| 20:22.55 | noda | Hey, when is Linux 2.4.20 expected to come out? |
| 20:23.14 | kergoth | the time has come to breath no more. the time has come to realize. time has come to pay the price for life. for life. for your life. for life, this is your life. for life, this was your life. |
| 20:24.24 | kergoth | if you should die, die in winter. |
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| 20:26.15 | kergoth | hey hunger_ |
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| 20:31.52 | myuu | kerg, i pretty damn impressed with 3.0...holds the record for longest linux distro running without a reset...3 wks, revious records, 1 wk |
| 20:32.09 | kergoth | haha, nice |
| 20:32.55 | noda | 3.0? Whassat? |
| 20:33.06 | noda | ("linux 3.0?") |
| 20:33.29 | myuu | oz...i meant on a PDA |
| 20:33.34 | noda | Oh, right :) |
| 20:33.35 | noda | Cool :) |
| 20:34.08 | myuu | someone needs to port rcalc |
| 20:34.15 | myuu | and perl/tk |
| 20:34.32 | myuu | and a genesis emu...then im happy |
| 20:35.02 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 20:35.04 | kergoth | perl's buildsystem is the devil |
| 20:35.07 | DaWorm | genesis/snes emu |
| 20:35.14 | DaWorm | i'll be in heaven |
| 20:35.24 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:35.28 | kergoth | i so need to play super mario 3 on my pda |
| 20:35.34 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 20:35.37 | myuu | snes9x didnt really impress me, neither has fceu (NES) |
| 20:35.39 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:35.39 | DaWorm | thats a nes game right |
| 20:35.46 | kergoth | naw, snes |
| 20:35.50 | kergoth | er |
| 20:35.55 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 20:35.57 | kergoth | fuck, its been so many years |
| 20:36.00 | kergoth | i dont even fucking know |
| 20:36.04 | DaWorm | am sure it was news |
| 20:36.12 | DaWorm | had that mario with a tail |
| 20:36.15 | kergoth | yeah yeah, you're right |
| 20:36.16 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 20:36.20 | kergoth | i loved that game |
| 20:36.35 | DaWorm | i wonder if the fceu port would run on oz |
| 20:36.41 | DaWorm | it ran in qtopia |
| 20:36.51 | DaWorm | lemme try |
| 20:36.52 | myuu | it does |
| 20:37.09 | myuu | but its better run from the CDL |
| 20:37.33 | DaWorm | heck i only got it to run on cdl |
| 20:38.07 | myuu | use -clipsides 1 btw |
| 20:38.14 | DaWorm | i would be really happy with a snes emu |
| 20:39.06 | myuu | snes9x runs on X, but its horrible |
| 20:39.16 | kergoth | geh, screw x |
| 20:39.19 | DaWorm | err no way |
| 20:39.20 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 20:39.34 | DaWorm | an opie port, is the least acceptable |
| 20:40.23 | myuu | i dunno |
| 20:40.49 | myuu | x is retty cool...opie is a little too close palmos for me |
| 20:41.23 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 20:41.32 | DaWorm | that dell pda looks like a good gift for me wife |
| 20:41.38 | kergoth | Well you see Bob, its a problem of motivation. |
| 20:42.09 | kergoth | X isnt designed for a pda |
| 20:42.12 | myuu | ya! i was impressed by the new dell pdas |
| 20:42.14 | kergoth | i think picogui or opie are great |
| 20:42.28 | myuu | tru |
| 20:42.29 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 20:42.35 | kergoth | i wish picogui had more apps |
| 20:42.40 | scanline | me too |
| 20:42.41 | DaWorm | picogui is nice |
| 20:42.42 | kergoth | infact, if i was a gui app coder i'd write some |
| 20:42.46 | kergoth | but i know my limitations |
| 20:42.47 | myuu | 199 for a color pda with 32 megs |
| 20:42.49 | kergoth | I'm not a UI interface guy |
| 20:42.50 | myuu | wow |
| 20:42.55 | DaWorm | myuu: yeah |
| 20:43.06 | DaWorm | beats the hell out of palm handhelds |
| 20:43.22 | kergoth | i should go watch office space |
| 20:43.37 | myuu | kergoth:opie always seemed too closed for me |
| 20:43.51 | myuu | kergoth:something about x thats pretty damn cool |
| 20:44.04 | ljp | colsed? |
| 20:44.13 | DaWorm | the yopy runs X i believe |
| 20:44.14 | ljp | closed even |
| 20:44.26 | myuu | ya, i have i yopy |
| 20:44.43 | kergoth | myuu: 'closed? |
| 20:44.46 | DaWorm | X on yopy is fast? |
| 20:44.49 | kergoth | myuu: i have no idea what you're talkiong about |
| 20:44.57 | kergoth | myuu: last i checked, opie was gpl. |
| 20:45.06 | myuu | ah, neither do i |
| 20:45.27 | myuu | not source, but...well...too much like palm |
| 20:45.34 | kergoth | eh? |
| 20:45.36 | DaWorm | maybe he meant about the UI |
| 20:45.49 | kergoth | you still couldnt describe it closed |
| 20:45.51 | kergoth | maybe ugly |
| 20:45.55 | kergoth | or not liking the interface |
| 20:45.59 | kergoth | but its not closed |
| 20:46.15 | myuu | its not ugly, liquid is damn cool |
| 20:46.31 | myuu | i dunno, im just crazy |
| 20:46.44 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:46.51 | DaWorm | but interface aside, its a pda...i don't think you can have any more imaginative UI style on it besides having icons and tabs |
| 20:47.38 | kergoth | DaWorm: i agree. i would like to see a better means of switching apps than the runningappsbar |
| 20:47.47 | kergoth | DaWorm: something like matchbox |
| 20:47.54 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 20:47.57 | DaWorm | bingo |
| 20:49.30 | kergoth | nothign can be better than a swan dive, into the asphalt |
| 20:49.30 | kergoth | i dont know, nothing can be better than a swan dive, into the asphalt |
| 20:49.30 | kergoth | tell me, who can control the flood. no one. where are the angels, no where. |
| 20:49.30 | kergoth | who will believe in me? no one. who will stand by me? no one. |
| 20:49.45 | scanline | the only way I would say opie is closed, is that Qt is maintained inside trolltech rather than by a distributed group.. but of course anybody's free to fork it |
| 20:49.46 | BrianR | has anyone come up with a CF -> PCMCIA adaptor shaped to mate neatly with the Z's case? |
| 20:49.49 | kergoth | i climb, hand over hand, closing my eyes, too scared to look down. |
| 20:49.54 | kergoth | scanline: yeah |
| 20:50.09 | kergoth | scanline: if libqte were lgpl no one would be complaining, but it isnt |
| 20:50.19 | kergoth | scanline: I can see why they went with the model they did |
| 20:50.19 | BrianR | A coworker is using the aircard 555 with his Z, but the aircard is in a CF -> PCMCIA ribbon cable adaptor.. |
| 20:50.46 | scanline | kergoth: theoretically you could make a GPL'ed Qt server that used corba to accept connections from an LGPL'ed Qt client |
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| 20:50.57 | kergoth | scanline: hah, true |
| 20:51.02 | kergoth | scanline: scary |
| 20:51.19 | scanline | kergoth: things like that are why I don't see the point in making libraries GPL'ed rather than LGPL'ed :) |
| 20:51.53 | kergoth | I.. just want your company. I ... want you to come with me, just come with me. hey bartender, hit me with another. |
| 20:51.55 | scanline | The way of defining what's using a library will always be fuzzy |
| 20:52.02 | BrianR | it's fairly difficult to use a library in your program without causing your program to be a derived work of the program. |
| 20:52.13 | BrianR | Especially if you #include tons of .h files into your program... |
| 20:52.28 | chouimat | GPL sucks |
| 20:52.42 | kergoth | BrianR: a gpl lib infects the apps that link against it |
| 20:52.46 | kergoth | chouimat: yes |
| 20:53.09 | BrianR | kergoth: Well.. They're derived works because they've included tons of header files from the library... |
| 20:53.14 | chouimat | kergoth: it's why when I don't use a commercial licence for my apps I use BSD |
| 20:53.26 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah |
| 20:53.28 | kergoth | bsd is good |
| 20:53.47 | ljp | metallica is bad |
| 20:53.59 | DaWorm | well they are bad now |
| 20:54.06 | myuu | ya, i lost all potential respect for them |
| 20:54.07 | ljp | they always were |
| 20:54.08 | BrianR | GPL for major infrastruture libraries is a bad idea because of incompatibility issues, not because of copyleft though. |
| 20:54.12 | myuu | shawn fanning for life |
| 20:54.34 | myuu | that dude needs more credit |
| 20:54.36 | chouimat | ljp: metallica used to be a good band, but now they played gay music |
| 20:54.49 | BrianR | For example, libqte and openssl are both free software, but you can't distribute a program linked against both without infringing copyright one or the other library... |
| 20:54.50 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 20:54.55 | DaWorm | gay music is the appropriate term |
| 20:54.55 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 20:55.21 | myuu | hey, that would be an insult to gays =P |
| 20:55.26 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:55.34 | BrianR | And since it's pretty damn impossible to make programs for QT embedded which don't use libqte, you're pretty well fucked if you need openssl or something else that's incompatible.. |
| 20:55.44 | chouimat | DaWorm: they passed form ...And justice to reload????? |
| 20:55.54 | kergoth | BrianR: what license is openssl? |
| 20:56.05 | DaWorm | reload |
| 20:56.05 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 20:56.18 | BrianR | Good for the troll tech people though, since they get a cut of every proprietary qte program :) |
| 20:56.29 | BrianR | kergoth: it's BSD with a "no additional restrictions" clause. |
| 20:56.33 | chouimat | DaWorm: or the dual song album :) |
| 20:56.36 | kergoth | BrianR: ahh |
| 20:56.54 | DaWorm | dual song album? you mean the orchestra thing? |
| 20:56.56 | ljp | ehh TT doesnt get a cut of every commercial qt app |
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| 20:57.16 | BrianR | ljp: Troll gets a cut of every non-GPL compatible QT app.. |
| 20:57.31 | chouimat | DaWorm: yes. the metallica song and the pseudo classical one togheter |
| 20:57.39 | DaWorm | yuck |
| 20:57.39 | ljp | no |
| 20:57.40 | BrianR | ljp: Since the only non-infringing way to link GPL incompatible code with QT(e) is to pay off troll tech.. |
| 20:58.09 | kergoth | BrianR: not just 'commercial', but 'commercial and closed source' |
| 20:58.15 | kergoth | BrianR: to clarify |
| 20:58.39 | BrianR | kergoth: Well.. It looks like anything GPL incompatible, not just closed source, needs to pay. |
| 20:58.43 | ljp | well, I have a commercial license and they dont get any cut off of me |
| 20:58.49 | kergoth | BrianR: yeah, that |
| 20:58.54 | BrianR | kergoth: commercial or non-commercial doesnt' seemt o make a difference. |
| 20:59.00 | kergoth | BrianR: precisely |
| 20:59.01 | BrianR | ljp: They got whatever you paid for your commercial license... |
| 20:59.07 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:59.16 | kergoth | it just so happens that some of us got free licenses |
| 20:59.25 | kergoth | i need a drink |
| 20:59.59 | kergoth | afaicr |
| 21:00.05 | kergoth | er wrong window |
| 21:00.13 | BrianR | Anyway, it's probably a non-trivial expense for a company producing a large-scale gpl-incompatible proprietary software project... |
| 21:00.13 | ljp | well, thats not getting a percentage of what I sell |
| 21:00.18 | myuu | lol |
| 21:00.22 | chouimat | wooohoooot my cat understand: "Lay down!" |
| 21:00.37 | ljp | hehe |
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| 21:00.45 | BrianR | since isn't it a per-seat thing? |
| 21:00.47 | ljp | mine understands 'boo!' |
| 21:01.13 | ljp | yes its per seat, but its not % of sales |
| 21:02.00 | cgDEF | can somebody tell me why "rmdir -p " doesn't work from the command prompt |
| 21:02.09 | myuu | dicussions on lincensing...so interesting that eco. sounds entertaining |
| 21:02.18 | myuu | *economics |
| 21:02.20 | BrianR | ljp: in a marketplace where many products are attempted but few succeed, it's always better to get paid based on how many people attempt to produce software rather than how many are successful :) |
| 21:04.00 | ljp | I do think TT license is _way_ too expensive |
| 21:04.13 | DaWorm | but dont ask me anything about it..i already forgot |
| 21:05.42 | BrianR | how much do they charge a seat anyway? |
| 21:05.58 | myuu | anyone wanna clue me in to how to get those open office fonts working? |
| 21:08.02 | ljp | too much |
| 21:08.20 | ljp | I'm not even going to say, but it fucking way too much |
| 21:08.55 | ljp | they are considering a 'shareware' license though, I believe |
| 21:09.12 | ljp | the qtopia license isnt that much tho |
| 21:09.40 | TheMasterMind1 | myuu: they work with picogui :) |
| 21:09.57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: they work with opie |
| 21:10.05 | ljp | myuu: freetypelib |
| 21:10.09 | TheMasterMind1 | i never said they didn't |
| 21:10.14 | scanline | picogui has its own pg-fonts package |
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| 21:10.57 | TheMasterMind1 | myuu: add an faq entry on that when you figure it out |
| 21:11.01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the point is, the ttf-openzaurus packages are setup for opie |
| 21:11.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not picogui, it has its own package |
| 21:11.11 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 21:11.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: they already work, theres no wor involved |
| 21:11.22 | kergoth | you install libfreetype6, and opie-freetype |
| 21:11.23 | kergoth | and install the fonts |
| 21:11.25 | kergoth | ta da |
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| 21:11.49 | TheMasterMind1 | we don't have a libfreetype6 in the feed though |
| 21:11.53 | TheMasterMind1 | we have a "freetype" |
| 21:12.03 | kergoth | eh? |
| 21:12.05 | kergoth | bullshit |
| 21:12.09 | kergoth | either one |
| 21:12.11 | myuu | ibot feed |
| 21:12.11 | | feed is probably a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 21:12.12 | kergoth | they're the same damn package |
| 21:12.32 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, but ipkg complains of dependencies cuz it can't find libfreetype6 |
| 21:13.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: who gives a shit? |
| 21:13.14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its already fucking fixed in bk |
| 21:13.22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and the existing stuff can be forced in |
| 21:13.36 | TheMasterMind1 | alright, as long as its fixed |
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| 21:13.36 | noda | Moo! |
| 21:13.41 | myuu | what is bk? |
| 21:13.45 | noda | ibot bk |
| 21:13.45 | | methinks bk is see bitkeeper or under a really crappy license |
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| 21:13.57 | noda | Dammit, my computer has crashed three times in the past two weeks! :( |
| 21:14.02 | kergoth | i know my limitations. i just dont know when to quit. i cant get enough of that.. shit. jesus, make everything alright.. |
| 21:14.18 | noda | And if I try to do a modules_install I get tons of "missing symbol" warnings. |
| 21:14.22 | noda | (in linux source) |
| 21:14.46 | kergoth | harmless, most likely |
| 21:14.48 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: hey |
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| 21:15.04 | noda | What, missing symbols? |
| 21:15.27 | kergoth | noda: yes, unless you're already running on the kernel you just built at the time you installed |
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| 21:16.31 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa.. sweet |
| 21:16.31 | TheMasterMind1 | antialiased fonts |
| 21:16.32 | noda | kergoth: Ah, I see. |
| 21:16.32 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Openbox? |
| 21:16.33 | TheMasterMind1 | no, openoffice fonts on the Z |
| 21:16.33 | noda | Oh, heh :) |
| 21:16.39 | noda | Well I guess I'll copy this zImage into / then :) |
| 21:17.11 | ljp | report any memory usage bugs with freetype to /dev/null |
| 21:17.15 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 21:17.43 | ljp | heh ok, maybe I should be so mean today |
| 21:20.50 | myuu | i wish Konqueror wasnt as limited...wasnt with no 'save as' ability |
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| 21:24.27 | TheMasterMind1 | eventually all opie apps are going to use ofileselector right? |
| 21:24.38 | ljp | all? |
| 21:24.44 | ljp | as in which ones? |
| 21:24.45 | kergoth | well, any app that needs a file open dialog |
| 21:24.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:24.49 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 21:25.11 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: like appearance, because it obviously needs to use ofileselector |
| 21:25.13 | ljp | I suppose once ofileselector is about to multiselect it would be easier to do |
| 21:26.32 | ljp | god I need new typing skillz |
| 21:26.47 | kergoth | typing skills. thatd be handy |
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| 21:32.47 | myuu | danggit |
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| 22:07.04 | DaWorm | i wonder if changing the images in froot would violate something |
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| 22:16.39 | Xentac | I have a question about the feeds... |
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| 22:18.26 | Xentac | which one is safe? is it safe to use testing? or unstable? do they break often? |
| 22:20.18 | cgDEF | you can mess up you OZ instalation with the unstable/testing if you start overwriting stuff |
| 22:20.19 | noda | Well, the testing feed is empty. Unstable breaks relatively often but it's always got awesome features. Check the changelog to see if there's anything in unstable that you feel you need - if not, use stable. |
| 22:20.43 | cgDEF | agree |
| 22:20.51 | Xentac | alright... thanks |
| 22:21.06 | Xentac | after hearing that I doubt I'll run unstable ;o) I'm not much into Zaurus development right now... |
| 22:21.45 | cgDEF | well you can always reinstall if you messed it up... |
| 22:22.09 | Xentac | hehehe... I'm almost not much for reinstalling all the time ;o) |
| 22:22.24 | Xentac | I'd rather trust that the data in my Zaurus will be there when I need it |
| 22:22.33 | cgDEF | lol |
| 22:22.37 | cgDEF | that's true |
| 22:22.54 | Xentac | now... if someone bought me a second one... I'd probably do some development ;o) |
| 22:23.35 | cgDEF | what's wrong with the first one? |
| 22:24.21 | Xentac | well, I use it to store data... |
| 22:24.26 | Xentac | the second one would be a development one |
| 22:24.40 | cgDEF | aaah |
| 22:24.41 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 22:25.25 | Xentac | ok... from previous backups (for whatever reason) I have a ~/var and ~/systeminfo... I assume I need systeminfo... but do I need var? |
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| 22:29.20 | cgDEF | just to restore opie? |
| 22:30.11 | Xentac | before I changed over to oz3 I backed up my ~ directo |
| 22:30.16 | Xentac | er, directory |
| 22:30.40 | Xentac | then I copied it back without thinking... |
| 22:31.40 | cgDEF | hum if you switched from Zaurus to OZ you CANNOT recover your data |
| 22:31.56 | cgDEF | they store data in a different way |
| 22:32.16 | Xentac | no no... |
| 22:32.21 | myuu | why doesnt my backup tool work? |
| 22:32.21 | Xentac | I was running oz2.<something> |
| 22:32.27 | cgDEF | ok |
| 22:32.38 | myuu | it fails and creates a 0b tar |
| 22:32.41 | cgDEF | well then you should be able to recover everything |
| 22:32.49 | Xentac | ok... |
| 22:32.53 | Xentac | let me rephrase my question |
| 22:33.03 | Xentac | do /you/ have a /root/var directory on your zaurus running oz3? |
| 22:33.15 | cgDEF | let me check |
| 22:33.20 | cgDEF | I believe so |
| 22:33.50 | cgDEF | no I don't |
| 22:34.20 | Xentac | ok |
| 22:34.24 | Xentac | then it's safe to remove mine |
| 22:34.31 | cgDEF | yeah |
| 22:34.34 | cgDEF | I think |
| 22:34.40 | Xentac | well.. I have it rsynced now ;o) |
| 22:34.59 | cgDEF | go in #zaurus and they might be able to help you better |
| 22:35.09 | Xentac | it's all good |
| 22:35.12 | Xentac | you're helping enough |
| 22:36.16 | cgDEF | thx |
| 22:36.54 | cgDEF | I was kinda doing 2 things at the same time so I was afraid that I might mess something up |
| 22:38.01 | Xentac | it's all good |
| 22:39.05 | cgDEF | the other thing kinda doesn't want to work the way it should and it is frustrating |
| 22:39.12 | cgDEF | aaaaaagtrr |
| 22:39.15 | Xentac | :) |
| 22:39.32 | cgDEF | busybox sux |
| 22:39.43 | cgDEF | better than nothing but still sux |
| 22:39.46 | Xentac | why's that? |
| 22:40.38 | cgDEF | ok if mv and cp don't let you move everythig to where you want it what else would you use |
| 22:40.56 | cgDEF | says not enough right when I am logged as root |
| 22:41.37 | Xentac | not enough? |
| 22:41.58 | cgDEF | not enough rights (sorry) |
| 22:42.07 | Xentac | ah |
| 22:42.15 | Xentac | hmmm... what are you trying to cp/mv? |
| 22:43.13 | cgDEF | well I am trying to move the /home /root /opt dirs to the cf card and link them to where they were supposed to be so I can get some more space for programs |
| 22:43.28 | Xentac | hmmm... strange... |
| 22:43.34 | cgDEF | that is only untill I get the SD card |
| 22:43.47 | Xentac | are you running qpe? |
| 22:43.50 | Xentac | er, opie |
| 22:43.52 | Xentac | right now... |
| 22:44.00 | cgDEF | but still it doesn't want to move most of the files and I am doing it from command |
| 22:44.07 | cgDEF | ZO |
| 22:44.10 | cgDEF | *OZ |
| 22:44.22 | Xentac | I know... but are you running opie right now? or in a console? |
| 22:44.36 | cgDEF | console |
| 22:45.06 | Xentac | and I assume you are not in one of those three directories when you're running the command, right? |
| 22:45.16 | cgDEF | was doing it in console but now I'm gonna try in opie like the faq says..... |
| 22:45.21 | cgDEF | no I was in / |
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| 22:48.35 | cgDEF | well now it says cannot create system link ..... operation not permitted |
| 22:48.39 | cgDEF | beats me why |
| 22:49.35 | Xentac | ah... is it because it's across file systems? |
| 22:49.40 | Xentac | make a hard link |
| 22:49.56 | scanline | symlinks can cross filesystems, hard links can not |
| 22:50.31 | Xentac | really? |
| 22:50.34 | Xentac | ah well then, I'm stupid |
| 22:50.37 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 22:51.10 | scanline | hard links crete two directory entries that point to the same inode, symlinks are just a filename |
| 22:51.17 | Xentac | ah, ok |
| 22:56.39 | cgDEF | I found out the prob |
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| 22:57.53 | cgDEF | I am supposed to format the card in ext2 |
| 22:58.17 | cgDEF | it won't work if it stays as vfat and that does make a lot of sence.... |
| 23:00.06 | Xentac | yes, it does |
| 23:00.09 | Xentac | vfat doesn't support symlinks |
| 23:01.45 | cgDEF | yeah I forgot that the card was vfat |
| 23:02.07 | cgDEF | I am not formatting it to ext2 though |
| 23:02.18 | cgDEF | I still want to be able to use it in win.... |
| 23:02.28 | cgDEF | oh well I'll wait for the SD |
| 23:08.07 | myuu | later |
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| 23:13.06 | cgDEF | yeah I'm out too |
| 23:13.20 | Xentac | tata cgDEF |
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| 23:18.11 | kergoth | hey cranch |
| 23:18.21 | cranch | hey kergoth :) |
| 23:18.24 | cranch | whats new :) |
| 23:18.28 | kergoth | nada |
| 23:18.31 | kergoth | same shit, different day |
| 23:18.42 | cranch | hehe |
| 23:18.45 | cranch | thats for sure |
| 23:18.53 | kergoth | i actually started using my pda as a pda today |
| 23:18.56 | kergoth | like, for PIM stuff |
| 23:18.57 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 23:19.03 | kergoth | i know |
| 23:19.04 | TheMasterMind1 | is that allowed? |
| 23:19.09 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:19.14 | cranch | WOW :) |
| 23:19.21 | cranch | I wish mine didn't look so beat up... :( |
| 23:19.27 | kergoth | I haved used a Z for that since when i first received my 5000d last october or whatever |
| 23:19.30 | jmhodges | same cranch |
| 23:19.30 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:19.49 | kergoth | its kinda cool |
| 23:19.52 | TheMasterMind1 | Could not initialize SDL [No available video device] |
| 23:19.53 | TheMasterMind1 | awman |
| 23:19.54 | kergoth | this Z could help me get organized |
| 23:19.59 | jmhodges | lol |
| 23:20.01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: forget to install sdl? |
| 23:20.03 | cranch | jmhodges: anyone tried to touch theres up o anything? |
| 23:20.08 | TheMasterMind1 | looks like the sdl in our buildroot is fux0red |
| 23:20.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ah |
| 23:20.14 | TheMasterMind1 | no video stuff works with it |
| 23:20.17 | kergoth | fun |
| 23:20.23 | TheMasterMind1 | so i'll just use the ones that are floating around |
| 23:20.25 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:20.34 | kergoth | BORED |
| 23:20.36 | kergoth | !@^$$ |
| 23:20.57 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:20.59 | kergoth | ibot: zsi feed |
| 23:21.06 | kergoth | bah |
| 23:21.08 | kergoth | ibot: feed zsi |
| 23:21.09 | | kergoth: wish i knew |
| 23:21.13 | DaWorm | ultima 7 |
| 23:21.17 | DaWorm | is that good? |
| 23:21.23 | kergoth | damnit, i couldve sworn bipolar put his feed of the zsi apps somewhere |
| 23:21.36 | kergoth | ibot: feed |
| 23:21.36 | | well, feed is a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 23:21.40 | kergoth | grr |
| 23:22.07 | cranch | is there anything I need to update too...anything outside the normal feed that is?? :D its been so long since I've seen my poor Z :) |
| 23:23.17 | kergoth | if you're on oz3 you'll want the volumeapplet and multikey packages upgraded from unstable |
| 23:23.26 | TheMasterMind1 | aw dammit |
| 23:23.28 | TheMasterMind1 | argh |
| 23:23.31 | cranch | wish I had a graphical mail application...besides damn tkcMail |
| 23:23.37 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer won't work with this other sdl |
| 23:23.39 | kergoth | cranch: you can use qtmail from the sharp rom |
| 23:23.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:23.41 | TheMasterMind1 | and prboom won't work with outs |
| 23:23.42 | TheMasterMind1 | ours |
| 23:23.44 | Xentac | kergoth: how do you upgrade just those ones from unstable? |
| 23:23.45 | cranch | kergoth: just openzaurus.org/feeds/unstable |
| 23:23.46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ack |
| 23:23.47 | TheMasterMind1 | # mplayer -quiet |
| 23:23.48 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0: undefined symbol: cmd__12QPaintDeviceiP8QPainterP13QPDevCmdParam |
| 23:23.48 | kergoth | cranch: yes |
| 23:23.54 | kergoth | Xentac: wget is your friend |
| 23:24.01 | Xentac | kergoth: that's what I figured ;o) |
| 23:24.02 | TheMasterMind1 | ours for some reason doesn't have a reference to QPainter |
| 23:24.06 | kergoth | Xentac: or |
| 23:24.06 | TheMasterMind1 | something's wrong |
| 23:24.10 | cranch | kergoth: would you upgrade AQpkg? |
| 23:24.27 | kergoth | Xentac:'ipkg upgrade opie-multikey' |
| 23:24.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:24.34 | Xentac | kergoth: yeah? |
| 23:24.38 | kergoth | yeap |
| 23:24.44 | Xentac | but that won't upgrade to the unstable one... |
| 23:24.53 | kergoth | it will if you have unstable in your ipkg.conf |
| 23:24.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:24.57 | Xentac | bah! :P |
| 23:25.01 | kergoth | slacker |
| 23:25.31 | kergoth | unstable's broken? |
| 23:25.38 | Xentac | no... |
| 23:25.43 | Xentac | but I hear it breaks every so often |
| 23:25.47 | TheMasterMind1 | HMMM |
| 23:25.52 | Xentac | you weren't around to answer my questin! |
| 23:25.53 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 23:25.53 | TheMasterMind1 | the two ipks install libs in different dirs |
| 23:25.58 | TheMasterMind1 | so i just need to make sure mplayer loads the right one |
| 23:26.01 | kergoth | well yeah, if your Z explodes in your face and steals your girlfriend when using unstable, dont blame me |
| 23:26.19 | TheMasterMind1 | Xentac: heh |
| 23:26.49 | Xentac | what's so special about the volumeapplet and multikey programs? |
| 23:26.55 | TheMasterMind1 | aha.. |
| 23:26.56 | kergoth | Xentac: they both had crash issues |
| 23:27.04 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 23:27.05 | Xentac | ah, alrighty |
| 23:27.13 | kergoth | Xentac: volumeapplet resulted in segfaults on install/remove of applets |
| 23:27.21 | kergoth | Xentac: multikey caused the segfault on opie exit bug |
| 23:27.21 | DaWorm | anyone tried 256MB sd cards? |
| 23:27.26 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 23:27.49 | Xentac | DaWorm: I wish... I have a measily 64 right now... |
| 23:29.16 | TheMasterMind1 | oops |
| 23:29.17 | DaWorm | heheh |
| 23:29.19 | TheMasterMind1 | i froze my Z |
| 23:29.22 | DaWorm | when i used to work for franklin |
| 23:29.26 | DaWorm | we had a bunch of mmcs at work |
| 23:29.33 | kergoth | was it all, just a part of your plan. the pistol shaking in my hands and all i hear is the sound |
| 23:29.35 | DaWorm | when i resigned |
| 23:29.40 | kergoth | i love you, i hate you, i cant live without you |
| 23:29.43 | DaWorm | i got myself 10mmcs |
| 23:29.44 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 23:30.08 | cranch | is the mail application from the sharp rom that good? |
| 23:30.19 | DaWorm | i prefer opie mail |
| 23:30.20 | cranch | anyone invested the $49.95 for tkcMail? :D |
| 23:30.20 | kergoth | cranch: not really |
| 23:30.26 | TheMasterMind1 | #!/bin/sh |
| 23:30.26 | TheMasterMind1 | LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0 |
| 23:30.26 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer $* |
| 23:30.27 | TheMasterMind1 | oh shit |
| 23:30.28 | TheMasterMind1 | that's why |
| 23:30.29 | kergoth | opie-mail2 is spiffy, but buggy atm |
| 23:30.32 | TheMasterMind1 | haha, i made it recursive |
| 23:30.33 | TheMasterMind1 | oops |
| 23:30.38 | DaWorm | $50 for a mail app? |
| 23:30.41 | cranch | unless I was using opie-mail, I couldn't figure out how to check the mail |
| 23:30.46 | kergoth | recursion is fun |
| 23:30.47 | cranch | no...but its like $19.95 |
| 23:30.48 | cranch | :) |
| 23:30.54 | TheMasterMind1 | there ya go |
| 23:31.02 | TheMasterMind1 | #!/bin/sh |
| 23:31.02 | TheMasterMind1 | LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0 mplayerx $* |
| 23:31.04 | TheMasterMind1 | perfect |
| 23:31.06 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm a genious |
| 23:31.39 | cranch | why is there opie-mail2 and opie-mailapplet... no opie-mail? |
| 23:31.53 | kergoth | opie-mail isnt maintained |
| 23:31.56 | kergoth | its dead |
| 23:31.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:32.13 | cranch | and opie-mail2 is crappy? |
| 23:32.19 | DaWorm | well |
| 23:32.24 | cranch | you ever get that launcher segfault fixed? |
| 23:32.29 | kergoth | opie-mail2 is imap only, and has some bugs |
| 23:32.38 | DaWorm | its imap only atm |
| 23:32.41 | TheMasterMind1 | i want imap-ssl |
| 23:32.41 | kergoth | the launcher settings segfault? yeah sandman fixed that |
| 23:32.46 | cranch | I just need pop :) |
| 23:32.55 | cranch | although insecure...its free from college:) |
| 23:32.56 | kergoth | cranch: opie-mail2 will support pop after its rewrite |
| 23:33.00 | kergoth | bah |
| 23:33.01 | TheMasterMind1 | imap-ssl > * |
| 23:33.22 | kergoth | i love server side mail, fuck this download it crap |
| 23:33.42 | kergoth | scanline: lol |
| 23:33.44 | DaWorm | err |
| 23:33.48 | DaWorm | what does qcop do? |
| 23:33.50 | TheMasterMind1 | w00t! |
| 23:33.51 | TheMasterMind1 | i got doom |
| 23:33.54 | TheMasterMind1 | yea baby |
| 23:33.58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heheh |
| 23:34.45 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i open doors |
| 23:34.48 | TheMasterMind1 | without the keyboard |
| 23:34.58 | TheMasterMind1 | shit, i hate it when i press home |
| 23:35.02 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 23:35.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:35.10 | TheMasterMind1 | and then doom loses focus but its still on screen |
| 23:35.19 | DaWorm | thats on oz right? |
| 23:35.21 | scanline | heh |
| 23:35.26 | Xentac | TheMasterMind1: that is a problem... |
| 23:35.35 | kergoth | GAH |
| 23:35.39 | kergoth | i'm so fucking bored |
| 23:35.40 | TheMasterMind1 | remember not to press home.. |
| 23:35.45 | kergoth | and theres nothing to do in my house |
| 23:35.47 | TheMasterMind1 | where is that prboom games menu icon thing |
| 23:36.06 | DaWorm | kergoth: i'm at work and bored as well |
| 23:36.33 | kergoth | revolutionary, i know |
| 23:37.08 | kergoth | BT |
| 23:37.10 | kergoth | irda |
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| 23:37.37 | Xentac | BT? |
| 23:37.43 | kergoth`tv | bluetooth |
| 23:38.29 | cranch|Z | I need a way to polish up my Z |
| 23:38.44 | DaWorm | polish physically? |
| 23:39.23 | TheMasterMind1 | what can i do if i press home while playing doom |
| 23:39.42 | Xentac | TheMasterMind1: kill prboom? |
| 23:39.47 | TheMasterMind1 | how though |
| 23:39.53 | TheMasterMind1 | it keeps refreshing the screen |
| 23:40.02 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't exactly see what i'm doing in opie |
| 23:40.13 | TheMasterMind1 | i could bind one of the other keys to a program that kills prboom |
| 23:40.14 | TheMasterMind1 | no? |
| 23:42.50 | TheMasterMind1 | # ls -al \[ |
| 23:42.50 | TheMasterMind1 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Jan 1 1970 [ -> ../../bin/busybox |
| 23:42.50 | TheMasterMind1 | # [ |
| 23:42.50 | TheMasterMind1 | [: missing ] |
| 23:42.51 | TheMasterMind1 | wow.. |
| 23:44.45 | TheMasterMind1 | w00t |
| 23:44.46 | TheMasterMind1 | it works |
| 23:45.42 | Xentac | TheMasterMind1: I've always found it easy enough to use systeminfo to kill it... |
| 23:46.01 | TheMasterMind1 | what's the opie qcop call to refresh the screen? |
| 23:46.11 | TheMasterMind1 | i just bound my mail key to a script that killall prboom |
| 23:46.35 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 23:48.32 | TheMasterMind1 | am i here? |
| 23:48.51 | Xentac | TheMasterMind1: no |
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| 23:51.18 | TheMasterMind1 | # /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qcop QPE/TaskBar "reloadInputMethods()" |
| 23:51.23 | TheMasterMind1 | that causes opie to crash |
| 23:51.24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:51.25 | TheMasterMind1 | weird |
| 23:53.27 | TheMasterMind1 | what other cool stuff should i install on my Z to show it off? |
| 23:54.28 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 23:54.29 | DaWorm | bosch |
| 23:54.29 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 23:54.29 | DaWorm | err |
| 23:54.29 | DaWorm | bochs |
| 23:54.59 | TheMasterMind1 | billiardz_0.1.3_arm.ipk |
| 23:55.02 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone have that? |
| 23:56.34 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 23:56.45 | DaWorm | what does it mean when ipkg says: |
| 23:56.48 | DaWorm | invalid magic |
| 23:56.50 | DaWorm | ??? |
| 23:57.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i wanna buy IF |
| 23:57.31 | TheMasterMind1 | DaWorm: what ipk |
| 23:57.36 | DaWorm | glider |
| 23:58.26 | TheMasterMind1 | DaWorm: hmm, might be a corrupt download or something |
| 23:58.30 | TheMasterMind1 | i just installed it though so i dunno |
| 23:58.33 | TheMasterMind1 | are you giving ipkg a link? |
| 23:59.27 | DaWorm | no, i'm installing it thru aqpkg |