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| 02:07.06 | _Ogmios_ | Is someone alive in here ? |
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| 02:33.13 | _Ogmios_ | I have a question. I've installed the 40 - 24 image. |
| 02:33.31 | _Ogmios_ | Do I need to install everything on the /mnt/ram ? |
| 02:35.35 | WormHome | no you can also install stuff in an ext2 formatted card |
| 02:40.05 | _Ogmios_ | I need things that I don't want to put on a card. |
| 02:40.19 | _Ogmios_ | For example, the mail program. It's something that I want available even when I replace cards. |
| 02:41.03 | _Ogmios_ | I tried to install qtmail on the mtdram and I always get errors: Failed to link.. |
| 02:56.11 | nobse | _Ogmios_: Look into the FAQ. |
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| 03:12.29 | billytwowilly | hmmm. anyone seen koffice ported over to the zaurus? |
| 03:12.37 | billytwowilly | how hard would it be if it isn't ported? |
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| 03:22.34 | Dessimat0r | lo all :D |
| 03:26.54 | kolla | billytwowilly: it isnt, and quite hard |
| 04:14.13 | Dessimat0r | anyone here? |
| 04:14.28 | Twiun | mornin' Dess |
| 04:14.48 | Dessimat0r | lo ;) |
| 04:14.59 | Dessimat0r | I need help installing the unstable feed |
| 04:15.06 | Dessimat0r | In case I do it wrong ;) |
| 04:15.28 | Twiun | lol - not sure I'll be much use :) |
| 04:15.56 | Dessimat0r | lool |
| 04:16.27 | Dessimat0r | The problem is, I cannot get an internet connection to my Z, so I have dled the entire feed using Getright |
| 04:16.49 | Dessimat0r | The last time I updated using aqpkg, the Z failed to boot |
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| 04:21.57 | Coup | mornin' |
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| 04:25.46 | Dessimat0r | lo |
| 04:26.13 | Dessimat0r | Coup: Can you help me update OZ to the latest unstable feed? Last time I tried, the Z failed to boot |
| 04:30.11 | kolla | why do you want "unstable"? :) |
| 04:31.29 | Dessimat0r | I like to live on the edge ;) |
| 04:31.43 | TheMasterMind1 | what are some cool apps/games for the Z? |
| 04:31.43 | tlv | is there any 2.5 kernel around that i can compile and use for my zaurus (doesn't have to be stable or complete)? |
| 04:31.59 | Coup | Dessimat0r: probably not, i've not done it (was planning to last night, but have no laptop & therefore no synch (wifi) after the burglary). Whatproblem are you getting? |
| 04:32.11 | TheMasterMind1 | tlv: its extremely incomplete. you can't use the keyboard or the screen or much of anything actually. its in development.. why? |
| 04:32.23 | Dessimat0r | In an earlier unstable build, it was stopping at something |
| 04:32.26 | Coup | Dessimat0r: kergoth was having trouble booting his Z yesterday after upgrading to unstable |
| 04:32.30 | _Ogmios_ | I'm still having problems making AqPKG work with a proxy. |
| 04:32.31 | TheMasterMind1 | no. |
| 04:32.31 | Dessimat0r | can't remember what, exactly ;) |
| 04:32.33 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 04:32.44 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth was having trouble booting a rom from the latest BK |
| 04:32.46 | TheMasterMind1 | which is not unstable |
| 04:32.50 | Coup | ahhh, ok, sorry |
| 04:33.01 | Coup | wasn't really "listening" last night, was too pissed off |
| 04:33.01 | _Ogmios_ | It's a regretion from the Sharp ROM |
| 04:33.11 | TheMasterMind1 | name some cool programs someone |
| 04:33.37 | _Ogmios_ | Can someone help me find a packaging manager that support proxy and runs on OZ ? |
| 04:33.51 | Dessimat0r | in aqpkg, busybox has a + next to it |
| 04:33.56 | Dessimat0r | should I upgrade? |
| 04:34.03 | tlv | TheMasterMind1: i just thought about having a more current kernel on my zaurus... (with better power management and speed) |
| 04:34.46 | Dessimat0r | ah, i see |
| 04:34.52 | Dessimat0r | + = * in new aqpkg |
| 04:35.03 | Coup | TheMasterMind1: Warp Fleet is fun till you work out how to beat it easily. Hopefully when it's finished it'll rule |
| 04:35.06 | tlv | TheMasterMind1: when will 2.5 (or 2.4) become usable on the zaurus? |
| 04:35.14 | Coup | TMM1: and that pool game looks good, but is jerky |
| 04:35.18 | TheMasterMind1 | tlv: not for a while. we're working on it |
| 04:35.32 | TheMasterMind1 | tlv: we have a patch for our 2.4.6 kernel that gives bettery battery readings |
| 04:35.40 | TheMasterMind1 | that will be released in a few days |
| 04:35.41 | Coup | bettery :) |
| 04:35.58 | TheMasterMind1 | is warp fleet free? |
| 04:36.27 | tlv | TheMasterMind1: I suppose the release of the SL-5600 and it's 2.4.18-embeddix kernel will speed things up a bit? |
| 04:37.16 | TheMasterMind1 | tlv: it might. we're hoping sharp provides us with the source for that kernel before it's actually released |
| 04:37.18 | Coup | TMM1: yes |
| 04:37.23 | TheMasterMind1 | Coup: link? |
| 04:37.28 | Coup | Think its on ZSI |
| 04:37.33 | Coup | ibot search zsi for warp |
| 04:37.47 | Coup | gah, how does it work? |
| 04:37.56 | Coup | ibot zsi |
| 04:38.12 | Coup | ibot zsi warpfleet |
| 04:38.18 | Coup | woot :) |
| 04:38.27 | tlv | TheMasterMind1: That'd be great. |
| 04:39.15 | _Ogmios_ | Can someone help me find a packaging manager that support proxy and runs on OZ ? |
| 04:39.18 | Coup | _Ogmios_: doesn't ipkg support a proxy? |
| 04:39.49 | Coup | Ogmios: think you just need to put a line in /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 04:39.56 | _Ogmios_ | But I want to use AQPkg and every time you edit it's configuration it overrides the ipkg.conf... |
| 04:40.44 | tlv | TheMasterMind1: If they don't what do you think is the (roughly) schedule for a usable (not stable) 2.5 or more recent 2.4 kernel for the zaurus? 1 Month, 3 Months, half a year? |
| 04:42.16 | Coup | Ogmios: setup the config in ipkg how you want it (cant imagine you need to change it that often?) and then prevent things from writing to ipkg.conf? AQpkg just calls ipkg so that should work :) I know it's a hack :) |
| 04:42.33 | _Ogmios_ | Hmpf... |
| 04:42.47 | _Ogmios_ | I will get mad some day and will write the following things: |
| 04:42.59 | _Ogmios_ | 1) Packing manager that have all that is take and needs |
| 04:43.14 | _Ogmios_ | 2) Generic sync soft that will support numerous protocols and transports. |
| 04:43.16 | _Ogmios_ | :-) |
| 04:43.55 | _Ogmios_ | Coup: do you know what is the format of the proxy line config ? |
| 04:44.02 | _Ogmios_ | Coup: someone told me it should be: |
| 04:44.12 | _Ogmios_ | option http_proxy http://myproxyserver:port |
| 04:44.44 | Coup | Ogmois: sorry, i dont recall off hand, and cant check as all my notes etc are now in the hands of some thief! |
| 04:44.58 | _Ogmios_ | Coup: Someone took your Z ? |
| 04:46.03 | Coup | Ogmois: nope, my laptop/dvd player/md player/playstation |
| 04:46.11 | Coup | Ogmois: and a rucksack to carry it all in |
| 04:46.22 | Coup | Ogmois: i wasnt a happy man when i got in last night |
| 04:46.54 | _Ogmios_ | Coup: Damn. We should start a campagin for thieves so they will know how to take the machine, but leave the data in the house ;-) |
| 04:48.26 | Coup | LOL yeah |
| 04:49.05 | Coup | What I dont understand is they moved my running shoes from the floor to the desk near my door, like they were thinking of taking them, but changed their mind at the last minute |
| 04:49.07 | Coup | v odd |
| 04:49.29 | _Ogmios_ | They probably smelled them ;-) |
| 04:50.03 | Coup | true ;) |
| 04:55.09 | _Ogmios_ | Coup: When I try to refresh list on the oz3 feed, it than write the ipkg.conf file again, even though I remove all write permissions. |
| 04:55.56 | Twiun | _Ogmios_: everything is still running as root - so not all that surprising |
| 04:58.00 | Dessimat0r | andyq needs to stop aqpkg from turning off the Z when installing packages ;) |
| 04:58.29 | Dessimat0r | i mean, stop apm from turning it off ;) |
| 04:58.46 | Twiun | yeah... some things take absolutely ages to install |
| 05:04.59 | Dessimat0r | due to crap ipkg and |
| 05:05.05 | Dessimat0r | crap jffs2 ;) |
| 05:05.49 | kolla | the last OZ screenshots on the homepage appears to be using those kde3.1 icons |
| 05:06.49 | Twiun | yeah, I believe all the .desktop files have to be changed by hand to get those working though - for now |
| 05:07.55 | Dessimat0r | Changing the icons from the crappy ones to the nice ones would entice peeps to switch to OpenZaurus |
| 05:08.25 | Dessimat0r | people generally install something on 'wow' factor ;) |
| 05:09.20 | Dessimat0r | bloody hell! why does ssh-server take so long? |
| 05:09.23 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 05:09.41 | kolla | Twiun: heh, how lame.. alot simpler to just rename a directory with new icons :) |
| 05:10.47 | Twiun | kolla: hmmm, yeah, but I don't think that's a necessarily good way of doing it... doable, but probably not desirable |
| 05:10.56 | Dessimat0r | 'alot'? What's that? I thought it was spelt 'a lot'.. (sorry, but it irritates me that so many people are using this spelling now) |
| 05:11.07 | kolla | Twiun: why not? |
| 05:11.32 | kolla | rather that than editing n numbers of desktop files :) |
| 05:11.52 | Twiun | kolla: because: the action should be reversible, what about apps you don't have new icons for, etc, etc... |
| 05:12.05 | Twiun | better would be an app that allowed you to manage the icons |
| 05:12.19 | Twiun | then you could have icon packs |
| 05:12.38 | Dessimat0r | the problem with icon packs is that you have redundant icons in them |
| 05:12.41 | Dessimat0r | not good on a PDA |
| 05:12.58 | Twiun | you could always have a 'compact' option |
| 05:13.28 | Dessimat0r | then when happens when you go to install an app which has an icon not in the pack? |
| 05:13.35 | Dessimat0r | after 'compacting' |
| 05:13.39 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 05:14.01 | Twiun | I'm seeing the compacted pack as being on the pda, with the non-compacted one in an ipk |
| 05:14.09 | Twiun | so it's just be a matter of reapplying the pack |
| 05:14.23 | Dessimat0r | argh, wtf is ssh-server installing, why the hell is it taking so long? |
| 05:14.29 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 05:14.35 | coup-afk | lol, making keys? |
| 05:14.36 | Twiun | urgh.. my grammar is getting worse... and it's still morning! |
| 05:14.53 | Dessimat0r | dunno, its an upgrade |
| 05:14.53 | _Ogmios_ | Damn it. I can't make the damned proxy work ! |
| 05:14.57 | Dessimat0r | does it make keys in an upgrade? |
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| 05:15.34 | _Ogmios_ | Why does AqPKG needs to rewrite the config file when you just enter the application ! |
| 05:16.48 | Twiun | _Ogmios_: let AndyQ know by submitting an opie bug ;-) |
| 05:17.09 | _Ogmios_ | opie bugs are submitted in SF ? |
| 05:17.17 | Twiun | no |
| 05:17.25 | Twiun | ibot: bugs |
| 05:17.41 | Twiun | ibot: bug |
| 05:17.41 | | [bug] This is commonly an error in design or programming in a hardwaredevice or piece of software. The effects of a bug may be as harmless asan extra graphic on the screen, or as harmful as a system crash or lossof data. See also Feature. |
| 05:17.57 | Twiun | ok... ibot has gone a bit mad... |
| 05:18.20 | coup-afk | tey: http://www.opie.info/bugs/ |
| 05:18.24 | coup-afk | try even |
| 05:18.30 | Twiun | there you goes ;-) |
| 05:18.35 | _Ogmios_ | :-) |
| 05:20.29 | Dessimat0r | ssh-server has been about 10 mins installing now |
| 05:20.34 | Dessimat0r | has it froze? |
| 05:20.49 | kolla | Twiun: reversible? bah :) |
| 05:21.05 | coup-afk | Dess: i'd say prbablt |
| 05:21.12 | kolla | alternativly.. |
| 05:21.14 | coup-afk | or i might say probably if i could type |
| 05:22.22 | kolla | when you hold the stylus pressed over icon, you get a "properties" window, from this you should be able to select icon, just like in KDE |
| 05:22.45 | Dessimat0r | the icon selecter should be more intuitive |
| 05:22.52 | Dessimat0r | where you can actually see thumbnails |
| 05:22.55 | Dessimat0r | og the icons |
| 05:22.57 | Dessimat0r | of |
| 05:23.05 | Twiun | yeah, you should also be able to change swathes of icons in one go |
| 05:24.00 | Twiun | kolla: yeah reversible ;-) |
| 05:24.10 | kolla | everything is reversible |
| 05:24.17 | Twiun | easily? |
| 05:24.22 | kolla | renaming directories is very reversible |
| 05:24.28 | kolla | or even |
| 05:24.46 | kolla | icons_theme_a, icons_theme_b etc etc |
| 05:24.52 | kolla | ln -s icons_theme_b icons |
| 05:24.56 | kolla | or pics |
| 05:25.00 | kolla | or whatever |
| 05:25.13 | Twiun | as much as I love CLI... we're thinking of end-users here... |
| 05:25.23 | kolla | why? |
| 05:25.34 | kolla | not like any newbies will ever buy zaurus anyways :) |
| 05:25.48 | Twiun | I disagree :) |
| 05:25.53 | kolla | too pricy |
| 05:25.58 | kolla | too much hassle |
| 05:25.59 | Dessimat0r | I bought the Z to learn Linux |
| 05:26.02 | Dessimat0r | I know nothing about it |
| 05:26.06 | kolla | Dessimat0r: ouch |
| 05:26.10 | kolla | that must hurt :) |
| 05:26.13 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 05:26.14 | Twiun | too pricey for now, prices will come down |
| 05:26.19 | Dessimat0r | I'm learning |
| 05:26.24 | kolla | hehe :) |
| 05:26.24 | Twiun | it's still a young device |
| 05:26.53 | kolla | I'd say that with Z and linux you get a pretty weird picture of linux :) |
| 05:27.03 | Twiun | kolla: and to be honest - I want the best of both worlds... CLI *and* good GUI |
| 05:27.20 | kolla | Twiun: oh.. a good one too, eh? :) |
| 05:27.30 | kolla | I'd look elsewhere :) |
| 05:27.39 | Dessimat0r | > loadwb |
| 05:27.53 | kolla | :) |
| 05:27.54 | Dessimat0r | anyone remember that command from the Amiga? ;) |
| 05:27.57 | Dessimat0r | for AmigaDOS |
| 05:28.02 | kolla | Dessimat0r: ofcourse |
| 05:28.30 | kolla | Dessimat0r: amigaos makes sense as a PDA OS |
| 05:28.54 | kolla | and who knows.. with the eclipse there might be something alike |
| 05:29.10 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 05:29.21 | Dessimat0r | Workbench was a brilliant OS |
| 05:29.35 | Dessimat0r | They way that icons had a second icon when you clicked on them |
| 05:29.39 | Dessimat0r | etc |
| 05:29.55 | Dessimat0r | I used to have this shell extention thing |
| 05:30.06 | Dessimat0r | gave you animated errors |
| 05:30.16 | kolla | hehe |
| 05:30.33 | kolla | on zaurus they dont want the user to ever see errors |
| 05:30.46 | kolla | for some odd reason.. since the users are too lame to read them anyways, they say |
| 05:31.04 | kolla | well, that's the linux trend in general |
| 05:31.13 | Twiun | that's obviously Sharp's decision, who says we can't break out of the mold? |
| 05:31.17 | kolla | or *ix for that matter |
| 05:31.35 | kolla | Twiun: everytime I argue about it, I get told the same message over and over :) |
| 05:31.42 | Twiun | as long as the errors are more meaningful than the windows ones |
| 05:31.43 | kolla | "people dont want to know" |
| 05:31.50 | Dessimat0r | installing opie-alarm - 'Cannot create directory '' ' |
| 05:32.05 | Twiun | see what I mean? useless error message |
| 05:32.17 | kolla | it's not useless |
| 05:32.35 | Twiun | it doesn't give enough information |
| 05:32.41 | Twiun | why can't it create the dir? |
| 05:32.50 | kolla | well, the underlying OS isnt capable of giving one |
| 05:32.59 | kolla | what dir? |
| 05:33.03 | kolla | what kind of dir is '' |
| 05:33.08 | Twiun | right, but the programs should be able to deduce possible reasons |
| 05:33.15 | Dessimat0r | Excactly, thats the error it gives |
| 05:33.22 | kolla | not the programs |
| 05:33.35 | Twiun | if the OS doesn't support it, then programs have to |
| 05:33.40 | kolla | in this case the error should come stright outta the shell itself |
| 05:35.30 | kolla | Twiun: the OS _should_ support it :) |
| 05:35.54 | kolla | like.. if you get a kernel panic on the Z, will the user ever see that it's a kernel panic? |
| 05:36.20 | Twiun | only if it's unrecoverable... |
| 05:36.35 | Twiun | ideally, I'd want something better than a stack trace |
| 05:36.49 | Twiun | a basic set of choices |
| 05:37.06 | kolla | like on amiga with allertpatch :) |
| 05:37.24 | Twiun | if we can do SysRq, then we should be able to provide a smoother shutdown for panics ;-) |
| 05:39.46 | kolla | ideally the system wouldnt mind being instantly rebooted :) |
| 05:40.00 | kolla | no reason why files should be open unless written to anyways :) |
| 05:40.00 | Dessimat0r | todolist looks super messed up |
| 05:40.27 | kolla | and synced filesystem is no problem if you have a small and tight system with small files |
| 05:40.40 | kolla | which is typically what you'd want on a PDA anyways |
| 05:40.46 | kolla | but.. naaaah |
| 05:41.16 | kolla | gotta play that it's some honkadory fileserver where most of the filesystem should be cached in ram |
| 05:41.52 | Twiun | actually... my main gripe isn't that... it's the fs on cf or sd |
| 05:41.58 | Twiun | those are the vulnerable ones |
| 05:42.11 | Twiun | who gives a toss if the ram fs is toast? |
| 05:44.38 | Twiun | I never put unrecoverable stuff in ram/rom - simply because a hard-reset is always a good solution :-) |
| 05:45.20 | kolla | true :) |
| 05:45.49 | kolla | default OZ still doesnt appear to do fsck on the SD card though |
| 05:45.57 | kolla | if its ext2 |
| 05:46.30 | Twiun | hmm, haven't gone that far yet... still on a oz-prerelease, and fat on cf/sd |
| 05:46.45 | kolla | would be cool with ext3 with the journals located on ram, heh |
| 05:47.05 | Twiun | who was it complaining about wasted space before? |
| 05:47.30 | kolla | that waste is peanuts |
| 05:47.43 | kolla | and did I complain about waste of space? :) |
| 05:48.12 | kolla | using linux is a waste of space already :) |
| 05:50.21 | Twiun | ooo, low blow ;-) |
| 05:50.27 | kolla | :) |
| 05:50.30 | Twiun | waste of space compared to what though? |
| 05:51.08 | kolla | epoc, palmos |
| 05:51.23 | kolla | probably qnx as well |
| 05:52.23 | Twiun | out of my depth ;-) |
| 05:52.35 | kolla | compared to amigaos on 68k it's a bloatmonster :) |
| 05:52.43 | Twiun | but I'm sure you could mod a Z to have those OSs on there |
| 05:52.52 | Twiun | if that tickles your fancy |
| 05:52.58 | kolla | qnx is already in the works |
| 05:53.11 | kolla | epoc and palmos.. probably not |
| 05:53.28 | kolla | newtonOS |
| 05:53.33 | kolla | that would be so cool |
| 05:53.37 | kolla | on newer hardware |
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| 07:15.38 | _Ogmios_ | blip |
| 07:15.48 | Xentac | huh? |
| 07:19.02 | _Ogmios_ | I'm just too frustrated that in OZ i need to call ifdown and ifup so it will automatically get an IP from the DHCP server. |
| 07:19.15 | _Ogmios_ | ibot mp3 |
| 07:19.15 | | from memory, mp3 is (MPEG-1 layer 3) This is a compression standard for music. It enables you to fit over 100 full length songs on a single CD with almost no loss of quality. You can find MP3 players and MP3 files on the Web--you just have to look. The music industry is unhappy about MP3 files being swapped around and has shut down some sites that distribute them. |
| 07:19.23 | _Ogmios_ | ibot: mp3 |
| 07:19.23 | | i guess mp3 is (MPEG-1 layer 3) This is a compression standard for music. It enables you to fit over 100 full length songs on a single CD with almost no loss of quality. You can find MP3 players and MP3 files on the Web--you just have to look. The music industry is unhappy about MP3 files being swapped around and has shut down some sites that distribute them. |
| 07:19.36 | _Ogmios_ | Where can I get the mp3 codec for the media player. |
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| 07:35.38 | Rince | *hicks* |
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| 08:15.00 | mjgp2 | Well, you've reached 3.0 but still no bluetooth |
| 08:23.16 | kolla | still no ppp dialup :) |
| 08:24.54 | ibz[work] | use the source, Luke. |
| 08:25.43 | Piete | still no ICBM control system support |
| 08:26.27 | kolla | international commodore business machines? :) |
| 08:27.17 | Piete | Inter Continental Ballistic Missile :P |
| 08:27.30 | ibz[work] | lol |
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| 08:30.40 | aman | wassup |
| 08:32.01 | Piete | hey |
| 08:32.16 | _Ogmios_ | I'm having problem backing up on OZ to a CF Micro Drive... Does someone have any idea ? |
| 08:33.20 | prpplague | what kind of problem? and how are you backing it up? |
| 08:34.31 | _Ogmios_ | I simply put the microdrive in. I see that it works. I go into the backup & restore program select what I want to backup and tap backup. |
| 08:34.42 | _Ogmios_ | It than says that it cannot do it. |
| 08:35.37 | aman | _Ogmios_ backup and restore is broken iirc |
| 08:36.15 | ibz[work] | _Ogmios_: it is broken, and mysteriously not in the oz faq. |
| 08:36.21 | _Ogmios_ | I see |
| 08:36.37 | _Ogmios_ | Shhishh.. So I didn't do anything wrong this time ;-) |
| 08:36.41 | mjgp2 | anyone tried installing the affix package in the unstable feeed? |
| 08:37.18 | ibz[work] | _Ogmios_: but you can backup using rsync, and there's some instructions on the oz website. |
| 08:37.33 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 08:37.52 | ibz[work] | mornin |
| 08:38.03 | Twiun | hiya Cloudchaser |
| 08:38.12 | Cloudchaser | how are you today? |
| 08:38.18 | Twiun | peachy |
| 08:38.19 | ibz[work] | hey Twiun, how'd the interview/test go? |
| 08:38.39 | Twiun | ibz[work]: the test went really well... waiting for the results now ;-) |
| 08:38.50 | Twiun | ibz[work]: how did you enjoy this morning's pep talk? |
| 08:38.54 | ibz[work] | HAHA |
| 08:38.57 | ibz[work] | leave it... |
| 08:40.17 | aman | mjgp2 the affix in unstable works wonderfully |
| 08:41.12 | mjgp2 | aman: it recognises the card and loads the modules but no /dev/bt0 |
| 08:41.24 | aman | hmm |
| 08:41.25 | mjgp2 | aman: help!?! |
| 08:41.27 | aman | search the faq? |
| 08:41.38 | mjgp2 | yeah, found nothing |
| 08:41.41 | aman | grr |
| 08:41.58 | mjgp2 | aman: you mean on affix.sourceforge.net |
| 08:42.00 | mjgp2 | ? |
| 08:42.05 | aman | mjgp2 no |
| 08:42.18 | aman | http://openzaurus.org/feeds/unstable/ |
| 08:42.22 | aman | get the affix from there |
| 08:42.32 | aman | http://openzaurus.org/feeds/unstable/affix-modules_1.2.4-2a_arm.ipk |
| 08:42.37 | aman | http://openzaurus.org/feeds/unstable/affix_1.2.4-2_arm.ipk |
| 08:42.42 | aman | remove the other stuff you installed first |
| 08:42.42 | mjgp2 | got that, i meant you mean the faq on affix.sourceforge.net |
| 08:42.50 | aman | oh, ok |
| 08:43.07 | aman | hm, there was someone who was working on that stuff and helping us fix it and then it finally started working |
| 08:43.36 | aman | i told them to add an faq item on it.. |
| 08:44.32 | mjgp2 | when i installed the package no /dev/bt0 node was formed, and an ifconfig -a gives the hw address for bt0 as 00-00-00-etc |
| 08:45.51 | mjgp2 | go to go now, but will be back online in a couple of hours... thanks for your help :oD [mjgp2@cam.ac.uk] |
| 08:50.06 | aman | hm, is /dev/bt0 supposed to be formed? |
| 08:50.20 | aman | if ifconfig shows bt0, then you're set |
| 08:50.25 | aman | why /dev/bt0? |
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| 09:03.08 | chouimat | morning |
| 09:05.21 | Twiun | yo |
| 09:05.50 | chouimat | at least someone |
| 09:05.53 | aman | hey |
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| 09:10.52 | chouimat | brb must reboot |
| 09:13.52 | kergoth | aman: bt* were added in a recent oz-base dev.tar |
| 09:14.07 | kergoth | aman: when someone reports those device missing, make them upgrade to oz-base from unstable |
| 09:14.41 | kergoth | god today's going to suck |
| 09:14.58 | kergoth | since i'm out the rest of the week in vegas, I've got to get a lot of shit done |
| 09:15.40 | aman | kergoth |
| 09:16.26 | aman | kergoth gotcha. have you seen these bugs on SF? opiebackup fails because of gzip option. something in unstable is writing mode=adhoc in wireless.opts instead of mode=ad-hoc and some other stuff too |
| 09:17.17 | aman | i joined openzaurus-users btw. and how are you supposed to install op2? is it in our feeds? |
| 09:17.26 | kergoth | op2 isnt in our feeds |
| 09:17.32 | kergoth | you forget about ibot already? |
| 09:17.36 | kergoth | read noda's howto |
| 09:17.39 | kergoth | ibot op2 |
| 09:17.39 | | somebody said op2 was a media player which is currently in beta stage, which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg, and MPEG4 (DivX/XviD) movies, and other formats. The backend uses the xine libs. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 09:18.22 | aman | kergoth noda's faq just tells you how to symlink, but that's not needed since we have ipkg-link and aqpkg. |
| 09:18.26 | kergoth | ? |
| 09:18.31 | kergoth | it also links you to the binaries |
| 09:19.07 | aman | right, but i saw a mediaplayer2 skin in the feed so i was wondering if we had the rest of the ipks too |
| 09:19.11 | kergoth | no. |
| 09:19.15 | aman | alright |
| 09:19.20 | kergoth | unless you want to add xine cvs HEAD to buildroot? |
| 09:19.22 | kergoth | i dont have time |
| 09:19.27 | aman | heh, no thanks |
| 09:19.33 | kergoth | exactly |
| 09:19.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:19.41 | kergoth | so for now we point people to harlekin's site |
| 09:19.42 | aman | ok, what about these bugs |
| 09:19.55 | kergoth | the wireless.opts is a networksetup bug, belongs in mantis |
| 09:19.58 | aman | ok |
| 09:20.02 | aman | i'll take care of that |
| 09:20.07 | kergoth | k, i'll take a look at the rest |
| 09:20.15 | aman | backup is because of gzip so that's our problem |
| 09:20.20 | kergoth | yep |
| 09:20.56 | kergoth | I'm going to put neale's stuff into bk shortly |
| 09:21.03 | kergoth | say a final so long to atd |
| 09:21.09 | kergoth | eheh |
| 09:22.42 | aman | what is neale's stuff |
| 09:22.55 | kergoth | he made apmd work |
| 09:22.59 | aman | oh sweet |
| 09:23.08 | kergoth | we can use opiealarm from suspend/resume scripts from apmd |
| 09:23.10 | aman | this is why i love opensource |
| 09:23.12 | kergoth | and say bye bye to this atd crap |
| 09:23.15 | kergoth | eheh |
| 09:23.15 | kergoth | yup |
| 09:23.32 | aman | btw, are SD and CF cards supposed to be ejected and reinserted when you suspend/resume? |
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| 09:24.48 | aman | chouimat sup |
| 09:25.13 | chouimat | don't know since I use 2.5.47 I have a upitme |
| 09:25.19 | kergoth | aman: sd doesnt |
| 09:25.35 | kergoth | aman: but tik reports after digging into ide-cs that it does appear to be doing that, and he's not sure why |
| 09:25.41 | chouimat | kergoth: do you use the preempt kernel? |
| 09:25.44 | kergoth | aman: I'm hoping to discuss it with him next time he drops in |
| 09:25.48 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah |
| 09:26.02 | chouimat | kergoth: feel sluggish here. put fast |
| 09:27.16 | pez2001 | kergoth: do you think i should simply buy a 32mb cf from san disk? |
| 09:27.30 | Dessimat0r | whoa. the new date/time thing rocks on the unstable :D |
| 09:28.03 | Dessimat0r | looks like it was programmed by a true expert |
| 09:29.17 | ljp_work | all opie devs are experts |
| 09:29.51 | kergoth | chouimat: raw performance is a bit lower, but better responsiveness |
| 09:30.31 | Dessimat0r | with a pre-emtive kernel, processes are taken out of running if another process with a higher piority wants to run |
| 09:30.34 | aman | kergoth: yea, i've noticed that with my CF wlan card. if i eject then suspend and resume, its reinserted |
| 09:30.46 | Dessimat0r | there is more process switching on pre-emptive |
| 09:31.03 | aman | new date/time thing? sounds cool |
| 09:31.09 | aman | i need to install it and take a screenshot |
| 09:31.24 | Dessimat0r | between switching processes, there is a delay in which the cpu cannot be used |
| 09:31.25 | aman | pez2001 what will you use the CF for |
| 09:31.31 | Dessimat0r | so programs have less CPU time on the whole ;) |
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| 09:32.03 | aman | BZFlag hwy |
| 09:32.04 | Dessimat0r | but higher piority jobs can interrupt the currently running one, meaning that there are less noticable delays |
| 09:32.04 | aman | hey |
| 09:32.06 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 09:32.22 | aman | ibot preempt |
| 09:32.23 | | [preempt] see preempt kernel |
| 09:32.27 | aman | ibot preempt kernel |
| 09:32.28 | | from memory, preempt kernel is http://handhelds.org/feeds/2.4.18-preempt/ |
| 09:32.39 | aman | ibot preempt kernel is also with a pre-emtive kernel, processes are taken out of running if |
| 09:32.39 | | okay, aman |
| 09:32.46 | aman | argh |
| 09:32.48 | pez2001 | only for the oz3 update!!! |
| 09:33.01 | pez2001 | my hama card doesnt seem to work |
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| 09:33.09 | noda | Moo! |
| 09:33.25 | schurig | Moo 2u2 |
| 09:33.38 | Dessimat0r | for some reason, on unstable, jffs_gcd_mtd4 is taking up ALL my cpu time |
| 09:33.52 | aman | ibot no, preempt kernel is http://handhelds.org/feeds/2.4.18-preempt/ and is also with a pre-emtive kernel, processes are taken out of running if another process with a higher piority wants to run. between switching processes, there is a delay in which the cpu cannot be used so programs have less CPU time on the whole ;) but higher piority jobs can interrupt the currently running one, meaning that there are less noticable delays |
| 09:33.52 | | okay, aman |
| 09:33.54 | Dessimat0r | causing it to be slow as hell ;) |
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| 09:34.03 | aman | noda yo |
| 09:34.13 | schurig | kergoth: are any issues with libc 2.2.4 known to you? When I build it with the new OpenZaurus, it won't work. If I use the old OpenZaurus (the one with the configs/*.mk) files, it will work. |
| 09:34.19 | mjgp2 | aman: hey, any ideas about affix? |
| 09:34.30 | aman | mjgp2 why do you need /dev/bt0 |
| 09:34.37 | aman | kergoth whats the deal with affix now? |
| 09:34.46 | aman | oh right |
| 09:34.47 | aman | sorry |
| 09:34.55 | aman | mjgp2 you have to update your oz-base from unstable |
| 09:35.01 | mjgp2 | done that |
| 09:35.07 | aman | then it should work |
| 09:35.24 | aman | <kergoth> aman: bt* were added in a recent oz-base dev.tar |
| 09:35.27 | mjgp2 | ifconfig -a bring up bt0 but with an incorrect hw address of form 00-00-00-00-etc |
| 09:35.46 | aman | hmm |
| 09:35.47 | aman | what card |
| 09:35.52 | mjgp2 | aaah just worked out what it might be.... do ui need to reboot the zaurus after updating~? |
| 09:36.05 | aman | you might. i don't see why but it might help |
| 09:36.37 | mjgp2 | i set my ipk server to the unstable feed, and ran ipkg update && ipkg upgrade |
| 09:36.43 | mjgp2 | then ipkg affix |
| 09:36.51 | mjgp2 | ipkg install affix even |
| 09:37.03 | aman | and the modules package too right? |
| 09:37.05 | kergoth | schurig: hmm, nothing known, works here. whats the behavior? |
| 09:37.18 | kergoth | mjgp2: yes, you must reboot after updating oz-base. |
| 09:37.22 | mjgp2 | well, the affix package depends upon the modules package, so it's automatically installed from that command |
| 09:37.45 | mjgp2 | kergoth: thanks for your help, i'll see if i can get it to work ;) |
| 09:37.47 | kergoth | np |
| 09:38.01 | aman | mjgp2 can you write up an faq item on this when youre done. tell them that they need latest oz-base, the two affix and then to reboot. and start a list of working cards and put yours in it. |
| 09:38.05 | kergoth | aman: just added nightwolf(iirc?)'s sharp camera support package to bk |
| 09:38.17 | mrz80 | Ok, query about opie-mediaplayer... I instlled it off the stable feed. It *looks* like ipkg installed it fine. It won't show on the desktop, and running it from cmd line gets a segfault after complaining about not finding a skins directory. Wiped it, installed it from unstable feed; same behavior. |
| 09:38.28 | aman | kergoth yep, nightsomething. great stuff, i just appproved his faq item on that |
| 09:38.38 | kergoth | spiffy |
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| 09:38.48 | aman | mrz80 installed using aqpkg or console? |
| 09:38.48 | kergoth | I hope his boss gets a new hancom word creator going |
| 09:38.50 | aman | and to where |
| 09:38.50 | mrz80 | I also saw the same grossly similar behavior with opie-reader - install looks like it ran, but not on desktop and segfault when run from command line |
| 09:38.55 | aman | kergoth yea, that'll rock |
| 09:38.56 | AndyQ | hi |
| 09:38.56 | schurig | The init 2.48 comes up, emits some empty spaces and the says "respawning too fast". Install the other libc6 ipk cures this completely |
| 09:39.02 | mjgp2 | kergoth: interested in putting my computing degree to some use... how can i get further involved in this project? |
| 09:39.05 | mrz80 | aman: tried it both ways. Same behavior both ways. |
| 09:39.11 | kergoth | schurig: hey! mine does that to! |
| 09:39.14 | aman | mrz80 installing to root or somewhere else? |
| 09:39.18 | kergoth | schurig: i couldnt figure out wtf was causing it |
| 09:39.20 | kergoth | schurig: lol |
| 09:39.32 | mrz80 | aman: installed to mtdram |
| 09:39.36 | schurig | kergoth: and, what did you do? |
| 09:39.49 | kergoth | schurig: hadnt found a solution yet. I dont know whats going on |
| 09:39.50 | noda | mjgp2: Comiple op2 for a gcc-3.2-enabled OZ :) |
| 09:39.57 | noda | mjgp2: You'd be my new best friend :) |
| 09:39.58 | kergoth | schurig: i only discovered that it was doing this yesterday |
| 09:40.06 | aman | mrz80 hmm, ok. if you installed it to ram from console, you need to do ipkg-link add packagename |
| 09:40.16 | aman | aqpkg should do that for you |
| 09:40.42 | aman | mjgp2 grab a copy of the bk tree. find a bug and fix it |
| 09:41.48 | mjgp2 | need to set up a developing environment for this platform on my puter first |
| 09:42.09 | mrz80 | aman: Should I have to restart opie after I do that? |
| 09:42.21 | schurig | kergoth: Ok, I will go back in history with the libc/Makefile, I hope to find out what is causing that. But not days (it's 17:45 already ...) |
| 09:42.41 | aman | kergoth what did you call that ipk? |
| 09:43.01 | aman | mjgp2 that's not hard. infact, the buildroot can even make one for you. |
| 09:43.03 | aman | ibot xcompile |
| 09:43.04 | | it has been said that xcompile is see oz toolchain |
| 09:43.07 | aman | ibot tooclahin |
| 09:43.07 | | aman: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 09:43.09 | aman | ibot toolchain |
| 09:43.09 | | well, toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains |
| 09:43.16 | aman | eh? |
| 09:43.20 | *** part/#openzaurus schurig (~schurig@pD958A89C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:43.22 | aman | ibot oz toolchain |
| 09:43.22 | | from memory, oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 09:43.26 | aman | mjgp2 grab that |
| 09:43.45 | kergoth | aman: buildroot wont build a 2.95 toolchain yet, atm only 3.2 |
| 09:43.49 | chouimat | hey mrwoody^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hciao_linux |
| 09:43.51 | kergoth | god today is nuts |
| 09:43.55 | aman | lol |
| 09:44.00 | kergoth | scanline: okay, i'll tak e alook as well |
| 09:44.02 | kergoth | er |
| 09:44.05 | ciao_linux | chouimat: hi... how is your .47 going? |
| 09:44.07 | kergoth | schurig left |
| 09:44.07 | kergoth | damnit |
| 09:44.16 | ciao_linux | chouimat: mrwoody didn't have time to try it |
| 09:44.28 | chouimat | ciao_linux: hehe. work well |
| 09:44.34 | ljp_work | hows that new kernel? |
| 09:44.45 | aman | new kernel |
| 09:44.46 | aman | ? |
| 09:44.49 | ciao_linux | chouimat: that is my top priority... as soon as i have time to use my pc at home |
| 09:44.55 | kergoth | aman: they're playing with 2.5.47 on their desktops |
| 09:45.06 | ciao_linux | chouimat: did you manage to use usbnet? |
| 09:45.08 | mrz80 | aman: Thanks. opieplayer and opie-reader now both show up |
| 09:45.16 | aman | mrz80 great |
| 09:45.43 | aman | i wonder how many oz users there are? |
| 09:45.54 | ljp_work | 42 |
| 09:46.05 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 09:46.07 | aman | really? i thought it was 43.353 |
| 09:46.48 | ciao_linux | kergoth: you should write to Martin Shulze, or whoever, to put oz in the debian weekly news |
| 09:46.49 | ljp_work | but about 5000 opie users |
| 09:47.02 | aman | ok, i' going to go try to get one of the guys here who has a Z to flash oz |
| 09:47.05 | ciao_linux | kergoth: it might be a good ad |
| 09:47.07 | aman | i brought along my CF :D |
| 09:47.14 | Dessimat0r | wtf does H^ mean? |
| 09:47.16 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 09:47.36 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: backspace |
| 09:47.40 | noda | ^H = backspace |
| 09:47.50 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 09:48.51 | ciao_linux | chouimat: how about usbnet? |
| 09:49.03 | chouimat | ciao_linux: work ok |
| 09:49.40 | ciao_linux | chouimat: no more need of crap like usbdnet? |
| 09:49.55 | ciao_linux | chouimat: never crashes? |
| 09:50.08 | noda | WOO! India chose Linux over MS! |
| 09:50.50 | noda | Heh, Gates must feel pretty foolish for spending 100 mill now. Oh, except that it makes him look even better because it looks like he wasn't doing it to convince them to switch to MS. |
| 09:51.00 | ciao_linux | noda: you should add the things about usbnet (like 2.5.45 support the z and that there is a patch for 2.4.20) on your faq |
| 09:51.26 | noda | ciao_linux: I don't know anything about it. You add it :P: |
| 09:51.36 | mrz80 | 2.4.20 is out? Or is the patch for one of the -rc? releases? |
| 09:51.55 | noda | 2.4.20 is at rc2 right now... |
| 09:51.58 | ciao_linux | noda: i can't... I am using netscape 4... remember? ;-) |
| 09:52.17 | ciao_linux | mrz80: yes, rc2 |
| 09:52.38 | noda | ciao_linux: You can certainly submit a FAQ under NS4. |
| 09:53.01 | noda | ciao_linux: And if you can't... do it in Lynx. |
| 09:53.19 | noda | (since Lynx is a standards-compliant browser) |
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| 09:53.31 | ciao_linux | noda: you should try to open any page of openzaurus.org with ns4 |
| 09:53.38 | ciao_linux | noda: it is fun |
| 09:53.39 | noda | ciao_linux: Okay, use Lynx then. |
| 09:53.48 | noda | Or links |
| 09:54.01 | noda | Basically, ANY BROWSER except NS4. |
| 09:54.09 | mrz80 | noda: I like links better than lynx . Links seems to handle frames and tables much better than lynx. |
| 09:54.11 | noda | (and maybe IE 3/4) |
| 09:54.21 | noda | Lynx simply doesn't handle frames :P |
| 09:54.36 | noda | I prefer lynx, because it doesn't handle frames and so gives me more room to browse :) |
| 09:55.20 | ciao_linux | too many cookies... i prefer cornflakes |
| 09:55.22 | mrz80 | Oh, qute. NS 4 doesn't exactly render openzaurus.org properly, does it? :-) |
| 09:55.36 | noda | Don't think so. |
| 09:55.56 | ciao_linux | mrz80: no... with ns 4 you cannot even read one word of openzaurus.org |
| 09:55.57 | noda | lynx renders it perfectly though. |
| 09:57.16 | kergoth | man, i love how the buildroot sets the path for me |
| 09:57.23 | noda | :) |
| 09:57.28 | kergoth | i can hop between my gcc3 and my gcc2 buildroots without fucking with shell script functions |
| 09:57.31 | kergoth | :) |
| 09:57.46 | kergoth | eek |
| 09:57.53 | kergoth | libc6 2.2.4 is reacting badly to our optimizations |
| 09:57.55 | kergoth | -very- badly |
| 09:57.59 | kergoth | afaicr |
| 09:58.00 | kergoth | er |
| 09:58.01 | kergoth | afaict |
| 09:58.35 | aman | noda no, no. ONE state in india chose linux over ms |
| 09:58.40 | aman | damn indians.. |
| 09:59.17 | noda | aman: Heh, still it's a good sign :) |
| 09:59.29 | aman | noda yea |
| 09:59.40 | aman | i should go there and knock some sense into them |
| 10:00.01 | aman | i need more cool apps/games to put on my Z |
| 10:00.03 | aman | suggestions? |
| 10:00.08 | noda | pg |
| 10:00.22 | ciao_linux | mplayer |
| 10:00.26 | kergoth | puzz-le, iqnotes, prboom, neo's games, opie-buzzword |
| 10:00.30 | aman | heh, i compiled mplayer. i hae it there |
| 10:00.34 | aman | neo's games aren't free |
| 10:00.39 | aman | i have the rest of that stuff |
| 10:00.54 | aman | they need a payment plan.. like, no payments until 2004 or something |
| 10:01.05 | aman | and then 10cents a month |
| 10:01.09 | aman | something i can afford |
| 10:01.37 | ciao_linux | aman: try to install opie-remote |
| 10:01.48 | aman | ciao_linux it won't work |
| 10:01.49 | aman | lirc is pos |
| 10:01.54 | aman | i need to look into that |
| 10:02.04 | *** join/#openzaurus chouimat (~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 10:02.13 | kergoth | aman: add lirc to buildroot |
| 10:02.14 | kergoth | aman: :) |
| 10:02.29 | chouimat | grrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 10:02.41 | aman | kergoth i should |
| 10:02.44 | ciao_linux | aman: spiralman said that someone managed to get it work with the Z... not me |
| 10:03.10 | noda | kergoth: I'm trying compiling my own buildroot again :P |
| 10:03.11 | ciao_linux | chouimat: is it you, or the cat? |
| 10:03.12 | Dessimat0r | wtf is buzzword about? |
| 10:03.19 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: its bingo |
| 10:03.20 | noda | kergoth: And again, a problem. Do I need to checkout ipkg from a previous date? |
| 10:03.23 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 10:03.30 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: you check a box when you hear the management say the buzzword in a meeting |
| 10:03.33 | chouimat | ciao_linux: don't know if it's bttv or usb-storage or visor |
| 10:03.34 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: so you have something to do |
| 10:03.37 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 10:03.38 | Dessimat0r | i see |
| 10:03.42 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 10:03.49 | kergoth | noda: eh? |
| 10:03.59 | kergoth | noda: it built fine from cvs head according to onyx4 yesterday |
| 10:04.03 | chouimat | kergoth: usb-storage hang the desktop in 2.5? |
| 10:04.08 | noda | kergoth: make[3]: *** No rule to make target `malloc.c', needed by `malloc.o'. Stop. |
| 10:04.17 | kergoth | noda: dunno what to tell you |
| 10:04.23 | noda | Hrm. |
| 10:04.24 | kergoth | i havent tried to build it |
| 10:04.26 | kergoth | figure it out yourself |
| 10:04.30 | kergoth | or set a specific checkout date |
| 10:04.47 | ibz[work] | iqnotes...looks good but i still haven't worked out how to lay down my thoughts/notes "comfortably" |
| 10:04.49 | noda | Ah, maybe it's because it was checked out a couple of days ago. |
| 10:04.49 | ciao_linux | chouimat: that is a bad news... is it usb-storage? |
| 10:04.53 | kergoth | ibz[work]: its UI needs a lot of work |
| 10:04.59 | kergoth | ibz[work]: takes a bit of getting used to |
| 10:05.18 | kergoth | chouimat: i've seen usb-storage hang my box in every 2.4 and 2.5 kernel i've used |
| 10:05.25 | kergoth | chouimat: in varying circumstances |
| 10:05.26 | chouimat | ciao_linux: don't know my x freeze completely |
| 10:05.30 | kergoth | chouimat: on some boxes, not on others |
| 10:05.45 | ibz[work] | TheMasterMind1: ping |
| 10:06.10 | *** join/#openzaurus coup (~gicarey@m483-mp1.cvx1-a.cam.dial.ntli.net) |
| 10:06.14 | aman | grr. /me bitches at sf for not letting him add a news item to the sf page |
| 10:06.17 | aman | ibz[work] pong |
| 10:06.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 10:06.22 | ciao_linux | my usb-storage never had problems with 2.4 ... it is only usbdnet that always has some problems with it |
| 10:06.29 | ibz[work] | aman: prove it! |
| 10:06.30 | chouimat | kergoth: just logged from my firewall box via ssh, so if it hang I will see if I'm able to kill x |
| 10:06.35 | ibz[work] | hehe |
| 10:06.37 | aman | eh? |
| 10:06.39 | kergoth | heheh |
| 10:06.41 | aman | oh, i'm under this nick |
| 10:06.44 | aman | heh |
| 10:06.46 | coup | kergoth: someone has posted a "howto" for getting the hancom word app working under Oz if you're interested? http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=4519&s=65e3a4cf8b3dfc451c08bbe1005cbc41 |
| 10:07.07 | TheMasterMind2 | coup sweet |
| 10:07.17 | kergoth | no |
| 10:07.19 | coup | yes, i am, you cheeky minx ;) |
| 10:07.20 | kergoth | thats the hack, right? |
| 10:07.25 | kergoth | the steal libqt and libqpe? |
| 10:07.28 | kergoth | thats not a correct solution |
| 10:07.28 | ibz[work] | TheMasterMind2: what have you done to mplayer? |
| 10:07.28 | coup | probably, not read it yet |
| 10:07.36 | kergoth | I await the correct solution from night*'s boss |
| 10:07.39 | TheMasterMind2 | ibz[work] what do you mean |
| 10:07.41 | kergoth | what the hell was that guy's nick anyway |
| 10:07.58 | coup | jamus on ZZ |
| 10:08.04 | coup | if u mean the guy with the hack |
| 10:08.06 | kergoth | /tmp/ccSyajJC.s: Assembler messages: |
| 10:08.07 | kergoth | /tmp/ccSyajJC.s:5561: Error: invalid constant (ffffc7fc) after fixup |
| 10:08.07 | ibz[work] | TheMasterMind2: hehe, i can only get it to play your ff-sample.avi...everything else just...b0rks! |
| 10:08.08 | kergoth | GAH!@536 |
| 10:08.13 | TheMasterMind2 | oh, that's crap |
| 10:08.32 | TheMasterMind2 | ibz[work] really? hmmmm |
| 10:08.37 | TheMasterMind2 | ibz[work] you're playing avis? |
| 10:08.48 | ibz[work] | yeah. |
| 10:08.58 | chouimat | ok 24 minutes to go |
| 10:08.59 | TheMasterMind2 | does it give errors or what |
| 10:09.26 | ciao_linux | chouimat: ? |
| 10:09.30 | ibz[work] | yeah, something about compile with "enable debug" or something...hold on... |
| 10:09.40 | chouimat | ciao_linux: pm 8 |
| 10:09.42 | coup | kergoth: just read it, yeah, its using 5mb of libs from the sharp ROM to get it working - OUCH! |
| 10:09.51 | kergoth | coup: bingo |
| 10:09.59 | kergoth | coup: someone is working on a correct solution |
| 10:10.03 | coup | kergoth: sweet :) |
| 10:10.10 | TheMasterMind2 | ibz[work] is it crashing? does it says "it crashed something something" |
| 10:10.15 | mrz80 | coup: blech! 5MB? blech! |
| 10:10.22 | kergoth | mrz80: exactly |
| 10:10.22 | kergoth | heh |
| 10:10.28 | ibz[work] | TheMasterMind2: one sec. |
| 10:10.31 | coup | kergoth: not that i'd use it, but, it's one more reason for people to come over to OZ, or rather, one less reason for them not to |
| 10:10.33 | TheMasterMind2 | ibz[work] try with -nosound and -ao null and -vo null and tell me what happens for each. |
| 10:10.46 | TheMasterMind2 | chouimat eh? what's wrong with using openoffice on my Z? |
| 10:10.48 | coup | mrz80: stop bleching on me plz |
| 10:10.53 | kergoth | lol |
| 10:11.02 | kergoth | coup: same here |
| 10:11.13 | kergoth | coup: i never used the hancom apps except once, just to check them out |
| 10:11.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 10:11.29 | TheMasterMind2 | jeode is finally working so that's a big plus |
| 10:11.33 | TheMasterMind2 | that was holding a lot of people back |
| 10:11.34 | coup | chouimat: i dont think it's the fact that they'd even use it for a lot of people but they'd think "i _paid_ for a word processor, so i want one" kind of thing |
| 10:11.44 | coup | TMM2: yup :) |
| 10:11.51 | ciao_linux | it would be nice to port emacs |
| 10:11.59 | noda | There is a nice free little spreadsheet app for the Z :) |
| 10:12.00 | kergoth | ciao_linux: use microemacs |
| 10:12.07 | TheMasterMind2 | there's an opie-sheet no? |
| 10:12.11 | _Ogmios_ | coup: Someone people want to still have the ability to put some word documents or power point or excel and go on the road. |
| 10:12.12 | ciao_linux | kergoth: is there also a microtex? |
| 10:12.14 | kergoth | theres a opie-word too |
| 10:12.16 | kergoth | ciao_linux: dunno |
| 10:12.18 | chouimat | coup: I see your point. but that plainly stupid to have that in the first place on a pda |
| 10:12.25 | TheMasterMind2 | really, i haven't seen opie-word |
| 10:12.26 | ljp_work | ya uemacs.. should be included with oz |
| 10:12.27 | TheMasterMind2 | still in devel? |
| 10:12.33 | ibz[work] | TheMasterMind2: it says "Sorry, this file format is not recognised/supported" |
| 10:12.42 | TheMasterMind2 | ibz[work] what file format is it |
| 10:12.58 | TheMasterMind2 | try another one |
| 10:13.06 | TheMasterMind2 | sounds like evil video files |
| 10:13.43 | kergoth | noda: you should update your op2 howto for oz users to just use ipkg-link if they isntall with ipkg |
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| 10:14.04 | noda | ipkg-link? Hrm, how does that work? |
| 10:14.08 | TheMasterMind2 | kergoth i just updated the faq in the oz system |
| 10:14.10 | kergoth | noda: its a symlinker |
| 10:14.12 | _Ogmios_ | Does anyone here knows how exactly the Z sync works ? |
| 10:14.14 | kergoth | noda: works great |
| 10:14.17 | Kokuryu | Anyone use DemoLinux? I need to define my modem as IRQ 11, I/O D400-D4FF. Can this be done at boot time using the "modemport=" parameter or afterwards? |
| 10:14.18 | TheMasterMind2 | ibot op2 |
| 10:14.18 | | well, op2 is a media player which is currently in beta stage, which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg, and MPEG4 (DivX/XviD) movies, and other formats. The backend uses the xine libs. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 10:14.20 | noda | kergoth: Actually, screw that - I can tell them to use aqpkg. |
| 10:14.28 | _Ogmios_ | I want to write a new sync program... |
| 10:14.29 | noda | aqpkg handles the thing great. |
| 10:14.38 | TheMasterMind2 | ibot no, op2 is a media player which is currently in beta stage, which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg, and MPEG4 (DivX/XviD) movies, |
| 10:14.38 | | TheMasterMind2: okay |
| 10:14.50 | noda | Has it been compiled on gcc-3.2 yet btw? :) |
| 10:14.52 | ibz[work] | TheMasterMind2: i think its an mpeg, my bad. |
| 10:14.57 | TheMasterMind2 | ibot no, op2 is a media player which is currently in beta stage, which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg, and MPEG4 (DivX/XviD) movies, and other formats. The backend uses the xine libs. search for it in the oz3 feed for install help. |
| 10:14.57 | | okay, TheMasterMind2 |
| 10:15.26 | TheMasterMind2 | ibz[work] yea, that would explain it. you probably need some windows codecs to play it back and those aren't included yet |
| 10:15.44 | ibz[work] | TheMasterMind2: i see. |
| 10:15.55 | ibz[work] | TheMasterMind2: however.... |
| 10:16.26 | ibz[work] | TheMasterMind2: it runs so damn fast...why? |
| 10:16.30 | TheMasterMind2 | huh? |
| 10:16.33 | ibz[work] | as in too fast |
| 10:16.34 | noda | Does op2 work with the Sharp ROM? |
| 10:16.47 | TheMasterMind2 | ibz[work] you sure. it should play normal speed.. |
| 10:16.50 | kergoth | noda: yep |
| 10:16.52 | TheMasterMind2 | noda yes, there's a different ipk for it |
| 10:16.59 | TheMasterMind2 | op2_retail_rom something |
| 10:17.13 | noda | Ah. I'll update my little page saying "IF YOU USE OZ3, JUST INSTALL WITH AQPKG" or something :) |
| 10:17.17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 10:17.17 | TheMasterMind2 | ibz[work] you can use some mplayer options to slow it down |
| 10:17.17 | kergoth | yes |
| 10:17.22 | noda | ibot op2 |
| 10:17.22 | | methinks op2 is a media player which is currently in beta stage, which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg, and MPEG4 (DivX/XviD) movies, and other formats. The backend uses the xine libs. search for it in the oz3 feed for install help. |
| 10:17.33 | noda | Ack, my little howto isn't linked any more :P |
| 10:17.38 | kergoth | add it |
| 10:17.41 | TheMasterMind2 | noda :) |
| 10:18.00 | chouimat | ciao_linux: actually a little more responsive than 2.4 |
| 10:18.09 | ibz[work] | TheMasterMind2: ok. but it flickers a lot. what options are you using? |
| 10:18.18 | noda | How do I add it? :) |
| 10:18.19 | TheMasterMind2 | ibz[work] mplayer -quiet filename |
| 10:18.28 | TheMasterMind2 | ibz[work] there are some default options set in /etc/mplayer.conf |
| 10:18.39 | TheMasterMind2 | noda ibot no, op2 is .... |
| 10:18.42 | TheMasterMind2 | wait |
| 10:18.42 | TheMasterMind2 | no |
| 10:18.46 | TheMasterMind2 | ibot op2 is also ... |
| 10:18.46 | | okay, TheMasterMind2 |
| 10:18.52 | ciao_linux | chouimat: what do you mean? |
| 10:18.57 | ibz[work] | TheMasterMind2: MUCH BETTER |
| 10:19.06 | ibz[work] | wow |
| 10:19.25 | ibz[work] | ohmigod! |
| 10:19.25 | noda | ibot op2 is also http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 10:19.25 | | noda: okay |
| 10:19.31 | noda | ROFL TheMasterMind2 :) |
| 10:19.35 | noda | ibot op2 |
| 10:19.35 | | extra, extra, read all about it, op2 is a media player which is currently in beta stage, which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg, and MPEG4 (DivX/XviD) movies, and other formats. The backend uses the xine libs. search for it in the oz3 feed for install help. ... http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 10:19.47 | ibz[work] | TheMasterMind2: this is beautiful! |
| 10:19.48 | chouimat | ciao_linux: 2 big compile. use less memory. and the load is below 3 |
| 10:19.59 | kergoth | noda: eventually, we should add spiffy features like email notification on changelog updates ;) |
| 10:20.23 | noda | kergoth: Yep |
| 10:20.25 | ciao_linux | chouimat: did it ever crash again? |
| 10:20.27 | TheMasterMind2 | ibz[work] eh? |
| 10:20.33 | noda | kergoth: And on FAQ entries too. |
| 10:20.36 | kergoth | noda: yeah |
| 10:20.41 | TheMasterMind2 | noda you should try mplayer. its amazing. |
| 10:20.46 | TheMasterMind2 | noda themastermind1.net/ipks/ |
| 10:20.46 | kergoth | noda: and additions to download page |
| 10:21.08 | noda | TheMasterMind2: Does mplayer work with gcc-3.2? And does it do oggs? :) |
| 10:21.09 | ibz[work] | TheMasterMind2: it works perfectly, no flickering, with the quiet option. perfect. |
| 10:21.28 | TheMasterMind2 | ibz[work] ah, yes. you need that quiet |
| 10:21.44 | TheMasterMind2 | ibz[work] just change your mplayer.conf : the line that says fs=yes to quiet=yes |
| 10:21.46 | noda | My priorities: 1) oggs. 2) videos, to show off. 3) gcc-3.2, because speed and up-to-date-ness are good. |
| 10:21.54 | TheMasterMind2 | and only use -fs from commandline since it doesn't work for some movies |
| 10:22.31 | TheMasterMind2 | noda run a comparision on op2 and mplayer video playing |
| 10:22.38 | ibz[work] | TheMasterMind2: ok. |
| 10:22.49 | noda | TheMasterMind2: Is mplayer faster? |
| 10:22.56 | ibz[work] | TheMasterMind2: thanx. |
| 10:22.56 | TheMasterMind2 | noda i think so |
| 10:23.17 | noda | TheMasterMind2: Seriously, if it plays oggs I'm a convert. I don't even care if it doesn't have playlist support (as long as I can do something like "find . -name *.ogg | xargs mplayer") |
| 10:23.18 | ibz[work] | noda, i have op2 and mplayer, i now think mplayer is faster. |
| 10:23.24 | kergoth | noda: next time you see schurig, add him an account on the site, k? |
| 10:23.25 | noda | Cool |
| 10:23.34 | noda | Erm, which site? :) |
| 10:23.35 | kergoth | noda: we need him to start using the changelog when he makes buildroot improvements |
| 10:23.43 | TheMasterMind2 | noda grab it from themastermind1.net/ipks it should have working ogg support, but i haven't tested it. tell me if it works or not |
| 10:23.52 | kergoth | noda: like when he added lrzsz and netkit-ftp and stuff |
| 10:23.52 | noda | Oh, ADD him an account, thought you said "ask him for an account" :) |
| 10:23.56 | kergoth | noda: hehe |
| 10:23.56 | noda | Okay. |
| 10:23.58 | TheMasterMind2 | noda lol. |
| 10:24.02 | Dessimat0r | mplayer 0wnz over op2 |
| 10:24.04 | TheMasterMind2 | noda grab a db dump |
| 10:24.10 | noda | TheMasterMind2: Does it do gcc-3.2? |
| 10:24.13 | TheMasterMind2 | noda and update your db on your server |
| 10:24.18 | noda | TheMasterMind2: Okay, sure |
| 10:24.23 | TheMasterMind2 | noda yea, just needs to be compiled. its in the buildroot |
| 10:25.10 | noda | TheMasterMind2: Done :P |
| 10:25.19 | TheMasterMind2 | heh |
| 10:25.36 | noda | Yeah, I'll need this to do my log analyzing. |
| 10:25.55 | mrz80 | Query for all: What's the hot ticket for a fast, stable image file viewer under oz? |
| 10:25.58 | TheMasterMind2 | alright, time for class |
| 10:25.59 | TheMasterMind2 | gtg |
| 10:26.04 | noda | Logging is a problem. Each web page access adds ~61 bytes to the log table. It grows by over 300k per day :P |
| 10:26.05 | TheMasterMind2 | mrz80 opie-imageview? |
| 10:26.13 | TheMasterMind2 | noda that's why you rotate logs |
| 10:26.41 | noda | I can't rotate logs, it's not *files*. It's a DB table. |
| 10:26.44 | noda | Bah, he's gone. |
| 10:28.32 | kergoth | okay my goal for today |
| 10:28.36 | kergoth | complete all my required shit at work |
| 10:28.40 | kergoth | make OZ boot from bk again |
| 10:28.44 | kergoth | (with libc6 2.2.4) |
| 10:28.56 | kergoth | and switch from atd to apmd+opiealarm |
| 10:29.20 | Dessimat0r | Opie Sheet is really amazing, it has the same level of detail as a professional app |
| 10:29.31 | mrz80 | brb... |
| 10:32.37 | ljp_work | opie-sheet? your kidding |
| 10:32.48 | noda | It's nice, but it's no Pocket Excel. |
| 10:32.52 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 10:32.59 | nobse | I prefer Hancom Sheet. |
| 10:33.15 | Dessimat0r | You can set backgrounds to cells, etc |
| 10:33.38 | noda | Heh, that's a feature I will use maybe twice in my lifetime :) |
| 10:33.42 | noda | On a handheld computer. |
| 10:33.43 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 10:37.02 | kergoth | noda: |
| 10:37.18 | kergoth | noda: when i view changes in unstable it appears to be sorting by add date, not by 'added to unstable' date. |
| 10:37.42 | kergoth | (not via admin, but browsing them as a user would) |
| 10:38.32 | kergoth | its like a whirlwind, inside of my head. its like i cant stop what i'm hearing within. |
| 10:38.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 10:40.17 | kergoth | nice |
| 10:41.34 | noda | kergoth: Okay, I can change that. |
| 10:41.49 | noda | kergoth: It's in my TODO :) |
| 10:41.54 | kergoth | cool. just seems intuitive, since i'm viewing by branch, to sort by add to that branch |
| 10:41.57 | kergoth | thanks |
| 10:41.58 | noda | Definitely. |
| 10:42.02 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 10:42.09 | noda | noda132@sc8-pr-shell1:/home/groups/o/op/openzaurus/htdocs/oz_website$ cvs up |
| 10:42.09 | noda | cvs [update aborted]: connect to cvs.openzaurus.sourceforge.net(66.35.250.209):2401 failed: Connection refused |
| 10:42.14 | kergoth | fun |
| 10:42.19 | kergoth | sf being a bitch again? |
| 10:42.21 | noda | AAAAAAAAAARGH! |
| 10:42.52 | kergoth | everything you say to me.. takes me one step closer to the edge, and i'm about to break. i need a little room to breath.. and i'm about to break |
| 10:43.03 | noda | Why the fuck... I NEED this update! |
| 10:43.07 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 10:43.36 | noda | This database table is getting HUGE and I can crop it by about 1/5... |
| 10:43.54 | noda | But I need the program to be able to read it :P |
| 10:45.39 | noda | kergoth: Hrm, in your buildroot do you have a /build/ipkg/C/replace/malloc.c? |
| 10:45.51 | kergoth | hold, wiping and rebuilding my ipkg now |
| 10:46.16 | kergoth | about to build an image for tesitng |
| 10:46.18 | kergoth | here's hoping it boots |
| 10:46.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 10:46.22 | noda | :) |
| 10:46.35 | kergoth | i should wget the libc6 in the feed and install into my image |
| 10:46.39 | kergoth | just as a sanity ccheck |
| 10:46.44 | kergoth | confirm it is libc being the bitch |
| 10:47.45 | *** join/#openzaurus BZFlag (timr@rikers.org) |
| 10:50.48 | noda | I think this admin page is actually coming along. Time to make "login" work :) |
| 10:51.40 | *** join/#openzaurus tux_mike (~mike@dsl081-228-057.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 10:53.17 | noda | Awesome - only members of the 'faq' group can add faq's - so far so good :) |
| 10:53.36 | kergoth | sweet |
| 10:53.54 | noda | Now there are two big hurdles: 1) "action"s, 2) the menu. |
| 10:53.57 | noda | The menu'll be easy. |
| 10:54.22 | noda | The actions... I'll think about 'em in math class today. Actually, hrm, should I go to math class... :) |
| 10:54.42 | noda | Ah, I know: If I get Sam & Max working on the Z I'll go to math class :) |
| 10:54.50 | kergoth | hah |
| 10:55.55 | kergoth | hey cbok |
| 10:57.10 | kergoth | geh! |
| 10:57.16 | kergoth | make image hangs trying to install oz-base into the image |
| 10:57.17 | kergoth | wtf |
| 10:58.25 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 10:58.30 | kergoth | fucking ipkg from fucking cvs fucking HEAD |
| 10:58.40 | noda | Aargh! I don't have Sam & Max, and my DOTT seems to be corrupt :( |
| 10:58.55 | noda | No, wait, I *know* I have Sam & Max... |
| 10:59.29 | Onyx4 | sorry :) |
| 10:59.50 | kergoth | not your fault their cvs is b0rked |
| 10:59.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 11:00.05 | Onyx4 | it compiles but doesn't work fine? |
| 11:00.16 | kergoth | ipkg built for x86 hangs on install |
| 11:01.09 | Onyx4 | maybe we can use a fixed date for ipkg-x86 |
| 11:01.16 | Onyx4 | since that one we only need some basic function |
| 11:01.19 | kergoth | if its borked in x86, i dont trust it for arm |
| 11:01.24 | Onyx4 | k |
| 11:05.11 | cbok | kergoth - has anyone been able to or tested syncing via serial cable yet? |
| 11:07.10 | *** join/#openzaurus mETz (~metz@pop7-384.catv.wtnet.de) |
| 11:08.06 | chouimat | hi mETz |
| 11:08.25 | mETz | moin in here as well :) |
| 11:08.42 | mETz | so we can start the next zaurus stuff in here instead of kde-devel |
| 11:09.08 | chouimat | mETz: hehe |
| 11:12.24 | kergoth | cbok: you mean set up ppp on the serial and sync over that network interface? |
| 11:12.34 | kergoth | cbok: should work fine |
| 11:14.44 | cbok | erm |
| 11:14.48 | cbok | yeah. |
| 11:14.50 | cbok | cool |
| 11:16.13 | chouimat | is there an opie webcvs? |
| 11:16.15 | mrz80 | Aw NUTS... does opie-irc not support multiple nicknames? Doesn't appear to, and the only docs I can find are in German |
| 11:16.42 | kergoth | chouimat: yep |
| 11:16.44 | kergoth | chouimat: handhelds.org/ |
| 11:19.51 | *** join/#openzaurus ibot (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 11:19.51 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | ZAURUS | SEX | FUN | BEER | send those cool screenshots to ozshots@themastermind1.net | NEW! screenshots section finally added to website. send your submissions in today! | kergoth != psychic, kergoth = ass |
| 11:20.06 | mETz | k |
| 11:20.16 | chouimat | mETz: but you will not want to get back |
| 11:20.23 | mETz | then I can borrow the 64mb cf from the digicam and later just put it back |
| 11:20.30 | mETz | chouimat: ho knows :) |
| 11:20.38 | mETz | chouimat: is konq/e as fast as opera? |
| 11:20.58 | kergoth | mETz: use OZ for a week, then go back to sharp. You'll be back to OZ again within days ;) |
| 11:21.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 11:21.07 | kergoth | </shameless promotion> |
| 11:21.45 | mETz | might be true, I looked at the directory-structure, looks awful to me |
| 11:23.35 | chouimat | mETz: 5500? |
| 11:24.17 | mETz | yes |
| 11:25.13 | chouimat | mETz: ok you can use the oz kernel-64-0 |
| 11:26.03 | mETz | doesn't that mean no ramdisk at all? |
| 11:26.50 | mETz | and where to put all the apps then? :) |
| 11:26.57 | chouimat | mETz: yes no ramdisk, CF and SD ;0 |
| 11:27.14 | mETz | well, I will probably wait until I have one |
| 11:27.44 | kergoth | just use 40-24 or 32-32 for now |
| 11:27.48 | kergoth | you can flash the kernel by itself later on |
| 11:29.41 | ciao_linux | chouimat: how is .47 going? |
| 11:32.22 | chouimat | ciao_linux: well for now |
| 11:32.31 | ciao_linux | chouimat: how many times did it crash |
| 11:32.45 | chouimat | kergoth: seen nice perspective? |
| 11:32.53 | chouimat | ciao_linux: 1 this morning |
| 11:33.02 | kergoth | chouimat: yeh, good stuff |
| 11:33.03 | ciao_linux | chouimat: are you using usb-storage? |
| 11:33.12 | chouimat | ciao_linux: yup |
| 11:33.29 | ciao_linux | chouimat: how about usbnet? |
| 11:34.00 | ciao_linux | have you uused it for big files? |
| 11:35.45 | kergoth | hmm |
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| 11:42.13 | chouimat | FUCKING USB_STORAGE |
| 11:42.58 | kergoth | haha |
| 11:43.37 | chouimat | kergoth: any fix for that |
| 11:44.03 | mETz | well, the usb-module I had to patch into my 2.4.19-preempt sucks too |
| 11:44.15 | mETz | because on plug/unplug it often crashes |
| 11:44.17 | ciao_linux | chouimat: it must have been me |
| 11:44.26 | ciao_linux | chouimat: what were you doing when it crashed? |
| 11:44.49 | mETz | either my usb-stuff is way too buggy and/or the driver really dislike preempt-kernels |
| 11:44.50 | chouimat | mETz: maybe it's cause by the preempt kernel |
| 11:45.02 | mETz | chouimat: then the driver sucks |
| 11:45.04 | kergoth | preempt does seem to make it less stable, but i can hardly tell |
| 11:45.07 | kergoth | my usb-storage crashes all the time |
| 11:45.30 | ciao_linux | kergoth: when? using the cf reader? |
| 11:45.50 | chouimat | ciao_linux: it's seem that preempt kernel don't like usb |
| 11:45.58 | kergoth | ciao_linux: yes |
| 11:46.14 | mETz | usbdnet is the name I searched for :) |
| 11:46.22 | kergoth | usbdnet sucks |
| 11:46.31 | ciao_linux | i agree |
| 11:46.32 | mrz80 | That it does |
| 11:46.39 | mETz | anything else to use? :) |
| 11:46.44 | mrz80 | Wireless |
| 11:46.53 | ciao_linux | kergoth: does it happen transferring big files or when you plug/unplug? |
| 11:47.03 | chouimat | kergoth: I just plugged my usb printer when my computer freezed |
| 11:47.03 | mETz | mrz80: buy me some ;) |
| 11:47.07 | mrz80 | I'm gonna go out & get an AP just so I don't have to fight with usbdnet on my home box |
| 11:47.57 | kergoth | chouimat: geh |
| 11:48.01 | kergoth | ciao_linux: in general |
| 11:48.11 | kergoth | ciao_linux: i've seen it hang on mount numerous times |
| 11:48.28 | kergoth | ciao_linux: if your'e careful and remove it from usb while mount is hung, it'll return, then you can reinsert to the usb and it'll work again |
| 11:48.34 | kergoth | (this is 2.4, 2.5 has a differeent behavior) |
| 11:49.00 | ciao_linux | on 2.4 it never happened to me... |
| 11:49.19 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm rebuilding my kernel without preempt |
| 11:49.24 | mrz80 | Only thing I've seen is that the Z on the cradle will cause my desktop machine to hang, generally while I'm ssh'ed into the Z |
| 11:50.49 | mrz80 | That's with usbdnet patched onto a vanilla 2.4.19. I'll be typing merrily along (maybe there's a mouse movement in there also (ps2 mouse)) and BANG! HD light goes on solid, capslock and scrolllock lights start flashing on the keyboard, and it takes a hw reset to reboot the thing. |
| 11:50.54 | kergoth | ciao_linux: depends on what host controller you're using |
| 11:50.57 | kergoth | mrz80: yes |
| 11:50.59 | kergoth | mrz80: it kernel panics |
| 11:51.07 | kergoth | mrz80: dont use it, use usbnet + zaurus patch on 2.4, or 2.5 |
| 11:51.46 | kergoth | geh, i cant test this to see if it still fails to boot |
| 11:52.10 | mETz | kergoth: now what is usbnet + zaurus patch and if it works better then where to get it? :) |
| 11:52.21 | mETz | So far I only found this usbdnet patch |
| 11:52.41 | kergoth | mETz: usbnet (the driver the ipaq folks use), now has a patch that supports the Z |
| 11:52.52 | kergoth | mETz: search the linux-usb-devel mailing list archives for the 2.4.20-rc patch |
| 11:52.55 | mETz | and that one is more stable? |
| 11:52.57 | kergoth | yes |
| 11:53.05 | mETz | that's a start |
| 11:53.12 | mETz | thanks for that hint |
| 11:53.19 | kergoth | dont use ethernet bridging with it, thers a known bug with that |
| 11:53.31 | kergoth | but regular forwarding or what hav eyou works fine |
| 11:53.39 | mETz | it's annoying if you only can put the zaurus in the craddle once and have to leave it in until you turn off the pc |
| 11:53.49 | mETz | or else the whole ubs-stack will get buggy :d |
| 11:53.54 | kergoth | mETz: i have a patch to stop the kernel panic on usbdnet |
| 11:53.57 | kergoth | mETz: but that driver is still crap |
| 11:54.14 | mETz | don't bother, I rather try out the other one |
| 11:54.22 | mETz | and I need to try disabling usb2-ports here |
| 11:54.46 | mETz | as I get a "bulk msg something timeout" on startup when it loads all my usb-drivers |
| 11:55.11 | mETz | although everything else is stable enough |
| 11:55.59 | kergoth | hmm |
| 11:56.01 | kergoth | ibot: seen tik |
| 11:56.02 | | kergoth: i haven't seen 'tik' |
| 11:56.04 | kergoth | bah |
| 11:56.07 | kergoth | stupid fucking bot |
| 11:56.17 | kergoth | ibot: bad bot |
| 11:56.17 | | ACTION whimpers |
| 11:56.24 | kergoth | lol |
| 11:56.28 | kergoth | ibot: yow |
| 12:00.41 | mrz80 | So, the usbnet zaurus patch is included in 2.4.20-rc2? |
| 12:01.06 | kergoth | mrz80: is it? |
| 12:01.15 | kergoth | mrz80: check the changelog |
| 12:16.22 | mrz80 | l8r all |
| 12:17.54 | mETz | pff, that stupid patch of course did not apply to a 2.4.19 |
| 12:18.13 | kergoth | nope |
| 12:18.15 | kergoth | it wont |
| 12:18.18 | mETz | then I'll leave it as it is |
| 12:18.19 | kergoth | 2.4.20-rc1 or higher |
| 12:18.22 | kergoth | afaicr |
| 12:18.28 | kergoth | at least, i know it applies cleanly to 2.4.20-rc1 |
| 12:18.33 | mETz | and throw swear words at the kernel everytime |
| 12:24.05 | Dessimat0r | mrz80 : that sounds a lot like the behavior of the Amiga when you get that flashing red box at the top of the screen ;) |
| 12:24.12 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 12:24.17 | Dessimat0r | he has gone ;) |
| 12:24.31 | Dessimat0r | screen was scrolled up |
| 12:31.25 | Dessimat0r | on the latest unstable OZ, the battery meter actually reflects the actual battery level? |
| 12:32.42 | kergoth | no |
| 12:32.48 | kergoth | that requires an updated kernel |
| 12:32.53 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 12:32.56 | kergoth | which isnt on the site yet |
| 12:33.58 | Cloudchaser | hiya everyone :) |
| 12:34.03 | kergoth | hi cloud |
| 12:34.39 | Cloudchaser | i just got a usb card reader :) |
| 12:34.40 | Dessimat0r | lo |
| 12:34.54 | Dessimat0r | They 0wn ;) |
| 12:34.56 | Cloudchaser | with linux can i just plug it in and it will work? |
| 12:35.59 | Dessimat0r | Think so, I've heard some pen drive manufacturers say that you can plug their products into USB, and they work straight away on Linux |
| 12:36.14 | Dessimat0r | Its probably the same for a CF reader |
| 12:36.16 | DaJoker | if not, modprobe usb-storage |
| 12:36.24 | DaJoker | should show up as a scsi device |
| 12:36.35 | prpplague | Dessimat0r: most of the disk-on-key stuff works no with no problem |
| 12:37.17 | Cloudchaser | ok a mount shows this: |
| 12:37.38 | Cloudchaser | usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw) |
| 12:38.43 | DaJoker | that's not your reader |
| 12:38.44 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 12:39.00 | Cloudchaser | no idea how to do this ;) |
| 12:39.03 | numatrix | Anybody tried to use phonetic-input (does chinese characters) in OZ? It fails a nice, horrible, death. |
| 12:39.32 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/card .. or whatever |
| 12:39.37 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: check dmesg, see if it found the card |
| 12:39.41 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: did you modprobe usb-storage? |
| 12:39.53 | Dessimat0r | numatrix: In Opie, you mean? |
| 12:39.58 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: yup. |
| 12:40.18 | numatrix | What happens, is that I bring the input method up and it's all black instead of having the input area... |
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| 12:40.37 | numatrix | It's supposed to look like: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=343 |
| 12:41.21 | numatrix | Hmm, actually, now that I play with it more, it looks like it's sorta working... except that it doesn't display the keyboard map correctly. I can input text with it... |
| 12:42.07 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: yes i did modprobe |
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| 12:44.47 | Cloudchaser | lsmod shows scsi_mod (usb-storage) |
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| 12:45.25 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: then its probably sda1, unless you have other scsi devices i nthe system |
| 12:46.08 | Cloudchaser | says its not a valid block device |
| 12:46.35 | chouimat | back |
| 12:47.20 | Kokuryu | Anyone use the DemoLinux Zaurus dev disc? I need to define my modem as IRQ 11, I/O D400-D4FF. Can this be done at boot time using the "modemport=" parameter or afterwards? |
| 12:47.43 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: problems? |
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| 12:48.19 | Cloudchaser | hiya chouimat: problem is my own ignorance :) got a new usb card reader |
| 12:48.23 | Cloudchaser | and am trying to get it going |
| 12:48.30 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: which model? |
| 12:48.38 | Cloudchaser | PNY |
| 12:48.51 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: dual reader or single one? |
| 12:48.59 | Cloudchaser | single |
| 12:49.08 | Cloudchaser | cf |
| 12:49.20 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: do you have a cdwriter? |
| 12:50.07 | Cloudchaser | no, not at the moment |
| 12:50.29 | chouimat | what dmesg show, when you insert usb-storage? |
| 12:51.17 | Cloudchaser | eww |
| 12:51.21 | Cloudchaser | lots of stuff |
| 12:51.40 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: do you use devfs? |
| 12:51.57 | Cloudchaser | hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 79 |
| 12:51.57 | Cloudchaser | usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=79 (error=-110) |
| 12:51.57 | Cloudchaser | hub.c: Cannot enable port 1 of hub 1, disabling port. |
| 12:51.57 | Cloudchaser | hub.c: Maybe the USB cable is bad? |
| 12:52.05 | Cloudchaser | i don't think so chouimat.. |
| 12:52.35 | Cloudchaser | the device lights up anyway |
| 12:52.39 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: do you have usbview installed? |
| 12:52.54 | Cloudchaser | does it come with redhat 7.3? |
| 12:53.06 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: don't know |
| 12:53.12 | Cloudchaser | haha i guess i do :) |
| 12:53.24 | Cloudchaser | says USB OHCH Root Hub |
| 12:53.28 | Cloudchaser | unknown device |
| 12:53.32 | ljp_work | one of my usb ports dies on my box. that one cant be used at all |
| 12:53.38 | ljp_work | deid even |
| 12:53.44 | ljp_work | ga died |
| 12:53.52 | Cloudchaser | ok there's a configure button |
| 12:54.02 | Cloudchaser | wants location of usbdevfs devices file |
| 12:54.10 | Cloudchaser | default is /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 12:54.19 | Dessimat0r | whats opie-console? I tried installing it, but I got no extra icons, or anything |
| 12:54.30 | *** part/#openzaurus Kokuryu (kokuryu@dialup-65.56.75.10.Dial1.Miami1.Level3.net) |
| 12:54.33 | Dessimat0r | I already had embedded konsole installed |
| 12:54.43 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: its a console like minicom |
| 12:54.52 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: serial communications, zmodem transfers, etc |
| 12:54.58 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 12:55.00 | Dessimat0r | i see ;) |
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| 13:20.01 | chouimat | back |
| 13:20.57 | chouimat | kergoth: ok removed preempt and it's ok now |
| 13:21.23 | Onyx4|work | chouimat: what kernel you testing? |
| 13:21.30 | Onyx4|work | I just got here :) |
| 13:21.35 | chouimat | 2.5.47-ac6 |
| 13:23.30 | Onyx4|work | wow and it works? |
| 13:24.42 | kergoth | of course it works |
| 13:24.43 | kergoth | :) |
| 13:24.50 | Onyx4|work | nice nice |
| 13:24.54 | kergoth | 2.5 has been usable for a while |
| 13:25.00 | Onyx4|work | we just need SD then right? |
| 13:25.02 | kergoth | though theres the occasional hiccup |
| 13:25.03 | kergoth | nonono |
| 13:25.09 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: his *desktop* |
| 13:25.14 | Onyx4|work | doh! |
| 13:25.20 | kergoth | I have a usable 2.5 for the Zaurus, but it needs a -lot- of work |
| 13:25.46 | Onyx4|work | ok that's what I tought |
| 13:25.59 | kergoth | speaking of which |
| 13:26.02 | kergoth | ibot: seen cerezu |
| 13:26.02 | | i haven't seen 'cerezu', kergoth |
| 13:26.06 | kergoth | bah |
| 13:26.09 | kergoth | ibot: stupid bot |
| 13:26.09 | | kergoth: i don't know |
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| 13:27.00 | kergoth | lol, david's comments on the xml backend are amusing |
| 13:27.41 | Cloudchaser | WOOOHOOO usb reader is working!! :) |
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| 13:28.13 | Cloudchaser | hey chouimat: its working! :) |
| 13:28.37 | chouimat | usb supports sucks in 2.5.47 |
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| 13:28.58 | kergoth | chouimat: the support itself is okay, but its not stable |
| 13:29.11 | kergoth | chouimat: which is probably why those stack traces get printed constantly |
| 13:29.23 | kergoth | chouimat: you could try the usb-2.5 tree on greg k-h's bkbits project |
| 13:30.00 | chouimat | kergoth: work better? |
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| 13:30.33 | kergoth | chouimat: dunno :) |
| 13:30.37 | AndyQ | waaaaaza! |
| 13:30.40 | kergoth | chouimat: but greg k-h is the usb maintainer, so it may be |
| 13:30.47 | kergoth | hey AndyQ |
| 13:31.00 | AndyQ | watchin the game having a bud |
| 13:31.05 | kergoth | nice |
| 13:31.18 | AndyQ | nah - not really - off beer at the moment |
| 13:31.40 | AndyQ | :( |
| 13:33.30 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: The tab order is messed up in some places in aqpkg |
| 13:33.33 | AndyQ | kergoth: ta for putting the pressue on to stick with Debian - getting to like it now |
| 13:33.42 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: when? |
| 13:33.46 | kergoth | AndyQ: np :) |
| 13:33.53 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: On the settings ;) |
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| 13:34.05 | aman | hi |
| 13:34.22 | Dessimat0r | lo |
| 13:34.28 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: yeah I know - haven't played with that in QT Designer yet - I'll do that tonight |
| 13:34.38 | Dessimat0r | ah ;) k |
| 13:35.11 | AndyQ | Got a few bugs to fix also - proxy support, not showing newly installed feeds until restart |
| 13:35.15 | AndyQ | may get round to those also |
| 13:35.43 | Dessimat0r | on the filters, it shouldn't be 'Uninstalled packages', it should be 'Non-installed packages' ;) |
| 13:35.45 | kergoth | AndyQ: proxy settings should probably be set globally somewhere, given konq, wget, aqpkg, will all use them |
| 13:35.51 | Dessimat0r | it is assuming that you have installed them already |
| 13:35.51 | kergoth | imho |
| 13:36.04 | kergoth | grr, opiealarm's ipk didnt build |
| 13:36.25 | AndyQ | kergoth: love to - any suggestions ? ipkg requires then in ipkg.conf |
| 13:37.00 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: ta - was having a brain fuckup when I wrote that and couldn't think of what to call it :) |
| 13:37.03 | kergoth | hmm |
| 13:37.06 | AndyQ | I'l change it also |
| 13:37.20 | AndyQ | I'm just a bug fixin hore tonight :) |
| 13:37.27 | aman | WHOA! |
| 13:37.31 | kergoth | aman: ? |
| 13:37.34 | aman | have you seen this screenshot of bochs? |
| 13:37.43 | aman | photo of win98 on the Z |
| 13:37.47 | kergoth | yep |
| 13:37.50 | aman | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/screenshots/00669_0.jpg |
| 13:37.51 | kergoth | saw that a week or two ago |
| 13:37.52 | kergoth | scary eh |
| 13:38.00 | aman | very |
| 13:38.03 | aman | i need to do that |
| 13:38.10 | aman | how do you get enough space to install 98 |
| 13:38.12 | chouimat | wow! my computer didn't freeze but the usb bus is dead |
| 13:38.12 | AndyQ | HOW COOL IS THAT! |
| 13:38.30 | AndyQ | aman: I guess samba drive or nfs or something |
| 13:38.37 | Dessimat0r | When you click on the new button on the settings, it should select a new blank row, and then you should be able to see the name of the server appear as you type it in on the blank line ;) |
| 13:39.23 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: yeah - but thats a real PITA to do and my knowledge of QT isn't quite that good yet |
| 13:39.31 | AndyQ | but I'll add it to the list :) |
| 13:39.37 | Dessimat0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.38 | aman | AndyQ yea.. |
| 13:39.45 | aman | how big is the smallest win98 install you can get? |
| 13:39.59 | Dessimat0r | it reassures the user that something is actually being entered |
| 13:40.07 | AndyQ | not a clue |
| 13:40.22 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: I agree - it would be nicer |
| 13:40.29 | Dessimat0r | lol, its 'jffs2 is almost full' time again... |
| 13:40.34 | Dessimat0r | and strange things happen |
| 13:41.01 | aman | 120 MB of free hard disk space (typical installation requires approximately 195 MB of free hard disk space, but the required space may vary from 120 MB to 295 MB, depending on your computer's configuration and the options you choose to install) |
| 13:41.04 | aman | hmm |
| 13:41.06 | aman | that could fit on a cf |
| 13:41.15 | Dessimat0r | yeah ;) |
| 13:41.19 | aman | pain to actually install though.. without a cdrom and stuff |
| 13:41.24 | Dessimat0r | especially if you use Windows Lite |
| 13:41.28 | Dessimat0r | or whatever it is called |
| 13:42.17 | aman | ooh |
| 13:42.20 | aman | there's an idea |
| 13:42.24 | aman | goo idea! |
| 13:42.26 | aman | good even |
| 13:42.29 | aman | wonder how big that is |
| 13:42.29 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 13:43.03 | Dessimat0r | dunno, but it hacks the original setup files to get rid of cruft |
| 13:44.04 | aman | yea |
| 13:44.07 | aman | i've heard about it |
| 13:44.08 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: OK, tab order should be fixed in next update |
| 13:44.14 | Onyx4|work | I wonder if vmware and nvidia drivers work with 2.5 kernel |
| 13:44.22 | aman | 98lite |
| 13:44.40 | aman | Onyx4|work vmware compiles modules for you if needed |
| 13:44.51 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: nvidia doesnt |
| 13:45.22 | Onyx4|work | and probably not OSS commercial either |
| 13:45.29 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: ? |
| 13:45.38 | Onyx4|work | I use o$$ |
| 13:45.39 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: its a split module, most of it is binary only |
| 13:45.50 | aman | Total C:\ Drive: |
| 13:45.50 | aman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.53 | aman | with 98micro |
| 13:46.10 | AndyQ | Onyx4|work: can't get sound working under VMWare (win Host Linux Guest) yet |
| 13:46.10 | Onyx4|work | oh ok, so you think it would probably work , except for nvidia then I guess |
| 13:46.21 | Onyx4|work | I recall seeing some patches in the #nvidia channel about it, but oh well |
| 13:46.28 | kergoth | hmm |
| 13:46.29 | kergoth | wtf |
| 13:46.45 | Onyx4|work | I saw that they started doing some new libc in sid debian, how is it going? |
| 13:46.48 | kergoth | gah |
| 13:46.51 | Onyx4|work | none of it has made it in testing yet |
| 13:46.59 | kergoth | its putting stupid ipaq non-apmd style suspend/resume scripts |
| 13:47.07 | kergoth | ? |
| 13:47.13 | kergoth | libc 2.3.1 has been in sid for a while now |
| 13:47.20 | kergoth | i'm looking forward to gcc3 becoming the main compiler |
| 13:47.32 | Onyx4|work | ok, I wonder when they will do the transition do testing |
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| 13:47.51 | Onyx4|work | oh they are still compiling with gcc 2.95? |
| 13:48.21 | kergoth | dnno |
| 13:48.22 | kergoth | dunno |
| 13:48.52 | chouimat | kergoth: ok fixed my problems back to 2.4.19 |
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| 13:49.57 | chouimat | kergoth: usb too unstable under 2.5 |
| 13:50.16 | Dessimat0r | lol, you can no longer open files with the text editor in opie-advancedfilemanager |
| 13:50.19 | kergoth | chouimat: i had that problem too, which is why i'm still on 2.4.20-rc1 |
| 13:50.24 | Dessimat0r | It shows the 'open files' screen# |
| 13:50.31 | Dessimat0r | after opening the file |
| 13:50.32 | aman | so |
| 13:50.41 | aman | should i install 98micro or not.. |
| 13:50.42 | aman | that is the question |
| 13:50.44 | chouimat | kergoth: it's usable but not for the usb |
| 13:50.46 | aman | it'll take up half of my CF |
| 13:50.51 | aman | is it worth it? |
| 13:51.05 | chouimat | aman: 98micro? |
| 13:51.12 | aman | chouimat win98 with the crap taken out |
| 13:51.25 | chouimat | aman: dos |
| 13:51.45 | aman | hmm |
| 13:51.49 | aman | maybe |
| 13:51.52 | aman | dos is pretty useless though |
| 13:52.01 | kergoth | so's windows |
| 13:52.01 | Dessimat0r | dos has its uses |
| 13:52.02 | kergoth | :) |
| 13:52.03 | aman | showing off win98 running on a linux based pda |
| 13:52.06 | aman | that's impressive |
| 13:52.08 | Dessimat0r | i.e. Ega Trek ;) |
| 13:52.11 | aman | useless, but impressive |
| 13:52.12 | aman | heh |
| 13:52.13 | kergoth | hah |
| 13:52.14 | aman | anyway |
| 13:52.16 | aman | bus is here |
| 13:52.16 | aman | later |
| 13:54.21 | Dessimat0r | oooh |
| 13:54.27 | Dessimat0r | Light and Power is improved |
| 13:54.33 | Dessimat0r | in the unstable :D |
| 13:55.49 | umopapisdn | kergoth: hey there! I just read the changelog, sounded interesting the part about the battery status improvement. |
| 13:56.18 | AndyQ | oooh has unstable been updated? |
| 13:56.47 | AndyQ | bah - not yet :( |
| 13:57.53 | ciao_linux | chouimat: did you go back to 2.4? |
| 13:57.56 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: Is it possible to have another column with the packages? Saying where each is installed |
| 13:58.03 | Dessimat0r | i.e. root, cf |
| 13:58.15 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: double tap |
| 13:58.21 | Dessimat0r | aha |
| 13:58.22 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 13:58.24 | AndyQ | heh |
| 13:58.32 | Dessimat0r | ooh :D |
| 13:58.33 | Dessimat0r | i see |
| 13:58.48 | ciao_linux | chouimat: do you still have a computer? |
| 13:58.54 | Dessimat0r | the version in the about box is wrong too, still says 1.0 ;) |
| 13:59.04 | AndyQ | latest version shows section and you can filter on section |
| 13:59.11 | AndyQ | but thats not in unstable yet |
| 13:59.42 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: 1.0 is my internal version so when people ask damn fool questions like theres this bug, I can say what version are you running |
| 14:00.03 | AndyQ | and if they don't say 1.2 then I can say go away and upgrade :) |
| 14:00.10 | Dessimat0r | ah |
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| 14:00.16 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 14:00.40 | AndyQ | and in fact, 1.2 is the current version so the unstable is 2 versions behind - 3 in a few moments :) |
| 14:00.51 | Dessimat0r | ooh :D |
| 14:00.59 | Dessimat0r | whats improved in this version? |
| 14:02.38 | Dessimat0r | 1.3, from the unstable version ;) |
| 14:04.01 | AndyQ | enhanced filtering - filter by section (show only games, utilities, java, etc) |
| 14:04.12 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 14:04.16 | AndyQ | few bug fixes, some other stuff - check the CVS logs for more detail |
| 14:04.22 | Dessimat0r | cool ;) |
| 14:04.23 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 14:04.42 | AndyQ | 1.3 has tab order fixed, uninstalled packages now Non-Installed, and proxy support |
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| 14:04.54 | AndyQ | sort of - it now doesn't blow away your old proxy details :) |
| 14:07.18 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 14:09.17 | AndyQ | god GNR are still damn good (well the old stuff is) |
| 14:11.20 | billytwowilly | heh. you see them in concert recently? |
| 14:11.40 | AndyQ | no - unfortunatly I've never managed to see them live |
| 14:11.49 | AndyQ | but they pissed a few people off last time :) |
| 14:12.12 | billytwowilly | neither have I... no point now though... it's only axl and the rest of the band looks like marilyn manson rejects... |
| 14:12.32 | AndyQ | heh - the original line up was by far the best and most entertaining |
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| 14:21.32 | kergoth | almost done with atd's grave |
| 14:21.56 | Onyx4|work | awesome, I'm hoping to try it when it's ready and see if my time problem goes away |
| 14:22.20 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: neale has been using this for like a week now |
| 14:22.23 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: with no problems at all |
| 14:23.37 | ljp_work | win32 has an eye? |
| 14:23.45 | AndyQ | lol |
| 14:23.49 | scanline | I hope so, or where did I just stab it? |
| 14:24.04 | ljp_work | webcam |
| 14:24.23 | numatrix | scanline: Any other orifice is acceptible for stabbing if it's win32... |
| 14:25.04 | ljp_work | 64k is all the memory you will ever need anyway |
| 14:25.13 | neale | you guys are *still* here? |
| 14:25.36 | ljp_work | no, we've been replaced by bot scripts |
| 14:25.46 | neale | oh. |
| 14:25.49 | TheMasterMind1 | imm back! |
| 14:25.51 | neale | well, that's okay then, I guess. |
| 14:25.51 | kergoth | neale: you'll be happy to know your apmd stuff is going into mainline oz bk tree now |
| 14:25.54 | AndyQ | woot! |
| 14:25.59 | neale | kergoth: have you tried timers? |
| 14:26.04 | neale | I couldn't get them to work. |
| 14:26.16 | kergoth | neale: not pushing it into bkbits until i run it through some tests |
| 14:26.21 | kergoth | jut going into my local tree |
| 14:26.26 | neale | ah, cool |
| 14:26.33 | neale | so I'm guessing that means it worked okay for you too. |
| 14:26.44 | kergoth | in general yeah |
| 14:26.47 | kergoth | didnt test timers |
| 14:26.57 | AndyQ | kergoth: just about to attemt to update my bk tree - if I want to update opie do I need to manually cvs up in source/opie? |
| 14:27.06 | kergoth | yes. |
| 14:27.08 | AndyQ | and thus the same in all other packages I want to update? |
| 14:27.12 | kergoth | ? |
| 14:27.19 | kergoth | there are only like 3 packages that are pulled from cvs |
| 14:27.19 | TheMasterMind1 | AndyQ: only if they're cvs |
| 14:27.24 | AndyQ | or whatever those pakcages use as version control |
| 14:27.25 | kergoth | well, more like 5 |
| 14:27.37 | kergoth | AndyQ: anything that isnt cvs, you just to a clean and then a build on |
| 14:27.43 | kergoth | AndyQ: and only if they changed when you did a bk pull |
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| 14:27.48 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: yo |
| 14:27.49 | noda | Moo! |
| 14:27.55 | kergoth | i.e. if you see changes come down on the bk pull in a package, cclean then rebuild that package |
| 14:27.59 | kergoth | noda too |
| 14:28.01 | kergoth | hey ndoa |
| 14:28.19 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Oh, btw, you kind of left abruptly there after suggesting log rotations. Those are impossible. |
| 14:28.33 | AndyQ | kergoth: OK, so onlyl packages mentioned in bk pull have changed? |
| 14:28.47 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: eh? delete * from table where date < now()-(5*60*60*24) |
| 14:28.58 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Oh, RIGHT, that happens on session_gc(). |
| 14:29.08 | AndyQ | kergoth: not including the ones in cvs :) |
| 14:29.14 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: yea |
| 14:29.26 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I was planning on keeping a month's worth of data, but it's looking like that'll be way too huge :( |
| 14:29.26 | neale | When I finish Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, I guess I'll start in on porting the keyboard driver to a 2.5 kernel. |
| 14:29.43 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: yea, i don't see why you need more than the last couple of days |
| 14:29.45 | TheMasterMind1 | no use really |
| 14:29.48 | noda | If sf.net ever gets fixed, I'll be able to update and drop 12 bytes from every page load... but still, that's almost 50 bytes/page. |
| 14:29.54 | umopapisdn | BAH! Anyone have any bright ideas why I get the following error when trying to build OZ (qte-2.3.4) 'cp: cannot stat "/opt/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-embedded-2.3.4-beta2": File or directory does not exist.' |
| 14:29.56 | TheMasterMind1 | what you can do, is compact daily stats and store seperately |
| 14:30.07 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Compact how? gzip? |
| 14:30.11 | TheMasterMind1 | like count up visitors daily and store that, then delete those visits |
| 14:30.26 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 14:30.26 | noda | Oh... maybe. That's a good idea, I'll think about it. |
| 14:30.40 | numatrix | There's a really great os program that does long term stat aggregation like that. Forget what it's called... |
| 14:30.49 | neale | there's a |
| 14:30.49 | noda | numatrix: awstats? |
| 14:30.51 | TheMasterMind1 | really? |
| 14:30.51 | neale | yeah, I forgot too |
| 14:30.54 | noda | webalizer? |
| 14:30.58 | neale | it's a graphing program |
| 14:31.01 | noda | Neither can be used, because we can't use Apache's log files. |
| 14:31.09 | noda | neale: PHPlot? JPGraph? |
| 14:31.09 | kergoth | AndyQ: right |
| 14:31.13 | neale | I think it had something to do with a program called cactus |
| 14:31.19 | TheMasterMind1 | awstats, never heard of that one |
| 14:31.21 | noda | Neither of those is relevant to what we're doing here :P |
| 14:31.29 | numatrix | noda: nope, it's a more generalized piece of software |
| 14:31.34 | noda | awstats? It's nice - http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/cgi-bin/awstats.pl?config=www.adamhooper.com |
| 14:31.57 | noda | Just set it up two or three days ago. |
| 14:32.18 | numatrix | I setup webalizer for a server that hosts a couple dozen domains in a matter of minutes; works pretty easily as well. |
| 14:32.22 | noda | Ooh, I've gotten a hit from Micronesia :) |
| 14:32.34 | TheMasterMind1 | cool, awstats is nice |
| 14:32.39 | noda | Yeah, awstats is cooler though - it doesn't need .pngs, it uses HTML. |
| 14:32.46 | noda | And you can give it its own stylesheet too, I'm thinking of making my own. |
| 14:32.58 | TheMasterMind1 | frames suck though |
| 14:33.06 | noda | awstats uses frames? Didn't notice. |
| 14:33.06 | numatrix | noda: Yeah, webalizer does pie charts though! ;-) |
| 14:33.11 | neale | I'm a big fan of analog. |
| 14:33.20 | noda | numatrix: True dat. |
| 14:33.34 | noda | Bah, I never figured out why my DNS lookups suddenly stopped working with webalizer. |
| 14:33.40 | numatrix | They're both good products, I've looked at awstatsb efore. |
| 14:33.42 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: the one on SF is using frames.. |
| 14:33.45 | TheMasterMind1 | yours isn't |
| 14:33.49 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Ah. |
| 14:33.50 | numatrix | noda: Definitely; I had to disable reverse lookups because webalizer was screwing up. |
| 14:33.53 | neale | hey what's that thing that does network statistics |
| 14:33.58 | neale | the graph program is by that guy |
| 14:34.02 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 14:34.07 | TheMasterMind1 | mrtg? |
| 14:34.11 | neale | yes, that's theone |
| 14:34.13 | numatrix | yeah, that's it |
| 14:34.14 | TheMasterMind1 | awstats? webalizer? |
| 14:34.19 | numatrix | mrtg is nice too |
| 14:34.19 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, mrtg? |
| 14:34.20 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 14:34.31 | numatrix | neale: yeah, good call. |
| 14:34.32 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, mrtg is nice |
| 14:34.34 | Onyx4|work | TheMasterMind1: did you find more info about SDL and mplayer? |
| 14:34.40 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4|work: nope. |
| 14:34.47 | numatrix | rrdtool |
| 14:34.47 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: did you try mplayer? |
| 14:34.49 | numatrix | That's the name of the program. |
| 14:34.51 | neale | rrdtool |
| 14:34.53 | neale | that's the one |
| 14:34.54 | numatrix | Thanks for the hint, neale. |
| 14:34.55 | noda | TheMasterMind1: connection refused. |
| 14:34.59 | neale | ha ha you win |
| 14:35.01 | neale | damn you |
| 14:35.05 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: argh |
| 14:35.08 | numatrix | Yeah, that program's a beaut. ;-) GoogleFastfingers |
| 14:35.18 | neale | http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/ |
| 14:35.32 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: now try |
| 14:35.49 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Connection refused. http://themastermind1.net/ipks right? |
| 14:36.30 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: yea.. |
| 14:36.48 | noda | OHHHHHHHH! I found out why CVS checkouts don't work! It's documented... |
| 14:36.52 | kergoth | hah |
| 14:37.02 | kergoth | guess we shouldve rtfm'd |
| 14:37.18 | noda | Yeah, it says it every time you log in :) |
| 14:37.24 | noda | How do you change the CVS root for an entire repository? |
| 14:37.58 | neale | course you could always write a custom rrdtool thing that uses gnuplot, like I did: http://woozle.org/stats/spam.html |
| 14:38.04 | Onyx4|work | do I need to worry about this ramses-base thing? |
| 14:38.07 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: no |
| 14:38.13 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: thats for a pda other than the zaurus |
| 14:38.27 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: OZ basically supports a few different things now |
| 14:38.34 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: http://www.themastermind1.net/ipks/ |
| 14:38.35 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: chouimat is working on a dreamcast port. ;) |
| 14:38.39 | Onyx4|work | really? |
| 14:38.50 | Onyx4|work | interesting |
| 14:38.55 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Ah, there we go :) |
| 14:38.55 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa |
| 14:38.56 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 14:39.20 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: tell me if oggs work and if its faster than op2 |
| 14:39.35 | Onyx4|work | kergoth still havent't time to look at libvorbis .so files problems heh? |
| 14:39.46 | Onyx4|work | I'm really stuck on optimizing mplayer because of that :) |
| 14:39.48 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Oh oh oh oh oh... I know why you think op2 is slower! |
| 14:40.02 | noda | I'm using a MUCH more up-to-date op2 than the one linked to on my site. |
| 14:40.10 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: i'm trying to get an image built with libc 2.2.4 to actually boot again |
| 14:40.11 | noda | They've made HUGE performance increases (and there are more to come) |
| 14:40.18 | ljp_work | cvs op2 has gui updates |
| 14:40.22 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: where from? |
| 14:40.24 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: well, i've never used op2 :) |
| 14:40.38 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: update the faq on oz to point to new ipks |
| 14:40.41 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Erm, I can let ya download 'em if you want :) |
| 14:40.43 | numatrix | neale: I don't see the rrdtool output there? |
| 14:40.46 | noda | No, the new ipks aren't out there :P |
| 14:40.49 | ibz | kergoth: to get the postinst to work after the copy from mount loopback directory...did you have to play with chroot? |
| 14:40.55 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: make them then :) |
| 14:40.59 | neale | that's because that graph was made by gnuplot |
| 14:41.01 | TheMasterMind1 | share the wealth |
| 14:41.12 | kergoth | ibz: hmm? |
| 14:41.14 | noda | Heh, I don't have the bandwidth :P |
| 14:41.20 | noda | Oh, I think I put them on sf.net once though :) |
| 14:41.26 | kergoth | ibz: you should be able to just edit hte postinst and change teh paths it works on |
| 14:41.26 | ibz | kergoth: am talking about the creator instructions you gave earlier..romburst and stuff |
| 14:41.31 | numatrix | neale: I don't see a graph; that's what I'm saying. |
| 14:41.46 | kergoth | ibz: yeah |
| 14:41.48 | numatrix | neale: nevermind; now it works |
| 14:41.49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth can we add op2 to the feeds? unstable maybe? |
| 14:41.50 | neale | that's odd... |
| 14:41.50 | numatrix | wierd. |
| 14:41.57 | noda | http://openzaurus.org/temp_downloads/ |
| 14:42.00 | neale | what browser? it's a transparent png... |
| 14:42.03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: add it to the buildroot as a wget for now, like our irda-common |
| 14:42.09 | numatrix | neale: All it said was: "wozzle gets spam" or something like that. When I refreshed, it worked. |
| 14:42.16 | numatrix | neale: moz1.something |
| 14:42.20 | neale | ha ha ha |
| 14:42.27 | neale | well, woozle *does* get spam. |
| 14:42.31 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth and then it'll just aget added to the feed? alright.. did you figure out that libc bootup thing? |
| 14:42.36 | numatrix | There it is! |
| 14:42.41 | numatrix | neale: I'll screencap it for 'ya. |
| 14:42.52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i think, but i cant test |
| 14:42.53 | neale | "woozle gets a lot of spam" is the alt tag of that image. |
| 14:42.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: as my cf reader is at home |
| 14:43.01 | ibz | kergoth: wait a minute. am i supposed to do this on the Z? i've been doing it on the desktop. |
| 14:43.02 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth gotcha |
| 14:43.10 | kergoth | ibz: thats what i'm talking about. |
| 14:43.15 | kergoth | ibz: edit hte postinst .. vi, emacs, whatever |
| 14:43.18 | kergoth | ibz: change teh paths |
| 14:43.19 | Onyx4|work | can we also add the same for konqueror ipks to the buildroot please? |
| 14:43.25 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: so do it then. |
| 14:43.29 | Onyx4|work | I don't know where you guys got the working ones from |
| 14:43.37 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: opie.info latest ipaq feed |
| 14:43.40 | TheMasterMind1 | well, the ones out there are broken no? |
| 14:43.43 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, nm |
| 14:43.49 | kergoth | no, they work |
| 14:43.51 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought they had some ./control thing going |
| 14:43.52 | Onyx4|work | the ones in the OZ 3.0 feed work |
| 14:44.03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ahh that |
| 14:44.05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: forgot about that |
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| 14:44.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i fixed that manually, iw onder if they're still borked |
| 14:44.11 | numatrix | neale: http://psifertex.nerdc.ufl.edu/~jwiens/screen.png |
| 14:44.13 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, they're broken |
| 14:44.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: (in opie.info) |
| 14:44.18 | TheMasterMind1 | i bet they are |
| 14:44.28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm not a fan of groucho's feed maintainance |
| 14:44.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the ipaq folks have seen numerous segfaulting apps and shit only in his feeds |
| 14:44.45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we really need to add konq to the buildroot |
| 14:44.51 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, we do |
| 14:44.54 | TheMasterMind1 | its such a bitch though |
| 14:44.57 | kergoth | yeah |
| 14:44.58 | kergoth | it is |
| 14:45.22 | scanline | mozilla embedded! |
| 14:45.29 | neale | yeah, that's the alt tag numatrix |
| 14:45.31 | ibz | kergoth, i've changed the postinst paths, but the actually make-whatever scripts use absolute paths.... |
| 14:45.32 | nasa | ibot pdf |
| 14:45.32 | | nasa: wish i knew |
| 14:45.35 | neale | I don't know why it's not loading the image. |
| 14:45.42 | numatrix | dunno |
| 14:45.42 | kergoth | ibz: eh? |
| 14:45.44 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: we tried that, didn't work too well |
| 14:45.45 | nasa | ibot uncompress |
| 14:45.45 | | nasa: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 14:45.46 | kergoth | ibz: 'make-whatever scripts'? |
| 14:45.59 | ibz | make-sheet, make-word etc |
| 14:45.59 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: we got it working, mozilla-qt for qt/e but it was enourmous |
| 14:46.02 | chouimat | anyone using icq here? |
| 14:46.06 | neale | huh? |
| 14:46.12 | Onyx4|work | or just we should include thar .tar.gz images directly in the buildroot without fetching them from latest ipaq feed since those packages risk to become broken? |
| 14:46.16 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 14:46.22 | Onyx4|work | not .tar.gz but ipk |
| 14:46.23 | neale | ibot, huh is <reply>Welcome to ICQ. |
| 14:46.23 | | okay, neale |
| 14:46.26 | neale | huh? |
| 14:46.29 | neale | ibot, huh? |
| 14:46.29 | | Welcome to ICQ. |
| 14:46.31 | TheMasterMind1 | pheonix/e would be cool |
| 14:46.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:46.40 | nasa | Hi! Anyone know why opie-pdf viewer doesn't actually open the pdf files? It complains about not finding 'uncompress' |
| 14:46.46 | cbok | shiznat |
| 14:46.57 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: go ahead |
| 14:47.01 | cbok | does anyone have nethack 3.4.x working under oz 3.0? |
| 14:47.05 | kergoth | nasa: hmm, cause we dont have uncompress maybe? |
| 14:47.09 | noda | lol |
| 14:47.14 | numatrix | cbok: yeah |
| 14:47.24 | numatrix | cbok: The newest one on killefiz works. I found a good copy and ipked it. |
| 14:48.11 | cbok | numa - ok |
| 14:48.11 | cbok | thanks |
| 14:48.14 | numatrix | cbok: np |
| 14:48.15 | cbok | i'll check it out |
| 14:48.16 | cbok | :-D |
| 14:48.26 | cbok | oh kergoth |
| 14:48.28 | cbok | i failed to mention |
| 14:48.32 | cbok | you cant pick the lock |
| 14:48.36 | cbok | sorry |
| 14:48.37 | kergoth | er |
| 14:48.39 | kergoth | damnit! |
| 14:48.44 | cbok | :-D |
| 14:48.49 | kergoth | spoiling all the fun again |
| 14:48.54 | numatrix | Time for a caning... |
| 14:49.06 | numatrix | Whoops! That wasn't a cane. Excuse me... |
| 14:49.13 | cbok | there, that way he'll be quick |
| 14:49.16 | cbok | er quiet even |
| 14:49.20 | numatrix | Yeah, I'm really thinking this thread should just die out quickly before it gets worse. |
| 14:49.30 | noda | Whee, time to update oz_website and get rid of all that extra log data ("/oz_website/") |
| 14:49.43 | AndyQ | anyone thing it would be a nice idea to add the full description to packages in AQPkg rather than just the foirst line? |
| 14:49.49 | cbok | num - are you talking about this http://psifertex.com/zaurus/nethack_3.4.0_arm.ipk |
| 14:49.53 | numatrix | cbok: that's the one |
| 14:49.58 | cbok | coolio |
| 14:50.02 | cbok | i got that one |
| 14:50.05 | cbok | no go |
| 14:50.05 | AndyQ | god my spellings crap tonight :) |
| 14:50.11 | numatrix | cbok: Really? What happened? |
| 14:50.19 | kergoth | cbok: so you ever get anywhere on your networking hell? |
| 14:50.20 | cbok | click on the icon, and nadda |
| 14:50.39 | cbok | kergoth - everything works 'cept /etc/named.conf - writing to it. |
| 14:50.44 | cbok | well kergoth |
| 14:50.46 | cbok | i should mention |
| 14:50.51 | cbok | i have to physically remove the card |
| 14:50.58 | cbok | for each change to networkapp |
| 14:51.04 | numatrix | cbok: installed to sd, cf, or root? |
| 14:51.05 | cbok | *shrug* |
| 14:51.09 | cbok | num - sd |
| 14:51.16 | cbok | num - using the 64mb oz install |
| 14:51.51 | cbok | num - i will uninstall and reinstall again |
| 14:51.56 | numatrix | cbok: Hmm, I'm using 32mb oz install and i've got it installed to flash, but I've installed it to SD before. |
| 14:52.00 | numatrix | cbok: Try running it from a console |
| 14:52.02 | numatrix | cbok: nethack |
| 14:52.47 | cbok | num - will do |
| 14:53.16 | noda | mysql> UPDATE log_access SET url = REPLACE(url, '/oz_website/', ''); |
| 14:53.16 | noda | Query OK, 55179 rows affected (3.93 sec) |
| 14:54.39 | cbok | num - found the prob |
| 15:04.45 | *** join/#openzaurus ibot (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 15:04.45 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | ZAURUS | SEX | FUN | BEER | send those cool screenshots to ozshots@themastermind1.net | NEW! screenshots section finally added to website. send your submissions in today! | kergoth != psychic, kergoth = ass |
| 15:05.42 | numatrix | Hmm. Strange. Anybody else tried nethack in OZ? |
| 15:06.34 | AndyQ | kergoth: just to let you know, when building ipkg, get the following error: |
| 15:06.35 | AndyQ | kergoth: make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/andy/buildroot/build/ipkg/C' |
| 15:06.35 | AndyQ | touch /home/andy/buildroot/build/ipktemp/ipkg-20021120-1/CONTROL/control |
| 15:06.35 | AndyQ | touch: creating `/home/andy/buildroot/build/ipktemp/ipkg-20021120-1/CONTROL/control': No such file or directory |
| 15:06.41 | AndyQ | and build stops |
| 15:06.52 | AndyQ | however, if you then rerun make, it continues quite happily |
| 15:07.35 | kergoth | AndyQ: yeah, i'd mrproper both ipkg and ipkg-x86 and try again |
| 15:07.47 | AndyQ | kergoth: k |
| 15:09.42 | ciao_linux | chouimat: ping |
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| 15:10.58 | kergoth | hey NightStar |
| 15:11.14 | NightStar | Hey kergoth, did you get my camera ipk? |
| 15:11.19 | kergoth | added your camera support stuff into the buildroot, so a package will be in the feeds when i update |
| 15:11.21 | kergoth | ) |
| 15:11.24 | kergoth | yeap |
| 15:11.45 | NightStar | Great. Bossman is still having problem with the Hancom word thing. |
| 15:12.14 | NightStar | Even though he made a rsync copy of the Sharp ROM, it still looks like something is missing. |
| 15:12.37 | kergoth | weird |
| 15:12.47 | kergoth | used strace and/or gdb? |
| 15:13.01 | kergoth | dunno |
| 15:13.20 | NightStar | I don't think he gotten that far; strace is available isn't it! |
| 15:13.27 | kergoth | NightStar: we're finally ditching the atd crap in favor of a real alarm handling solution |
| 15:13.38 | Onyx4|work | so in the config.in of konqe , I should make it so that it depends on only the previous libc , since the new one will not work with the ipks right? |
| 15:13.39 | kergoth | NightStar: yep. strace ipk is probably in the unstable feed in fact, we build it from cvs |
| 15:13.47 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: right |
| 15:13.55 | NightStar | Yes I remember seeing it... |
| 15:13.56 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: once we're building from source, it should depend on either |
| 15:14.16 | Onyx4|work | yep ok |
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| 15:18.32 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | ZAURUS | SEX | FUN | BEER | send those cool screenshots to ozshots@themastermind1.net | NEW! screenshots section finally added to website. send your submissions in today! | kergoth != psychic, kergoth = ass |
| 15:19.08 | kergoth | NightStar: yep |
| 15:19.40 | NightStar | kergoth: How long have you been using/programming Linux? |
| 15:20.04 | kergoth | NightStar: approx 7-8 years afaicr |
| 15:20.13 | kergoth | since late 94/early 95 |
| 15:20.18 | NightStar | Darn, phone call.. |
| 15:21.06 | NightStar | 1.1.59? 0.99P? |
| 15:25.22 | AndyQ | kergoth: hmmm, did an cvs up in source/opie, ran make and it didn't build the changed stuff, so I went into build/opie and did a cvs up then make and same thing |
| 15:25.29 | kergoth | AndyQ: rm stamps/.opie.binary |
| 15:25.30 | AndyQ | kergoth: do I need to remove something else? |
| 15:25.38 | kergoth | AndyQ: the stamps determine what is complete, and what needs doing |
| 15:25.47 | kergoth | it believes it has already compiled opie, it doesnt need to do it again |
| 15:25.50 | AndyQ | kergoth: ahhhhh |
| 15:26.11 | AndyQ | kergoth: ta, also pg-server doesn't build: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library |
| 15:26.19 | kergoth | AndyQ: yeah, i knwo |
| 15:26.20 | kergoth | know |
| 15:26.28 | kergoth | AndyQ: either install libtool on your desktop machine or wait for the fix |
| 15:26.38 | AndyQ | k - wasn't sure if you did or not |
| 15:26.43 | kergoth | np |
| 15:26.51 | kergoth | AndyQ: mind opening a bug on sf regarding that? |
| 15:27.02 | kergoth | i doubt i'll have time to fix it until i get back on monday |
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| 15:27.06 | AndyQ | kergoth: np |
| 15:27.17 | AndyQ | kergoth: your off tomorrow aren't you |
| 15:27.25 | kergoth | yeah, and friday |
| 15:27.29 | kergoth | head to vegas tomorrow morning |
| 15:27.33 | AndyQ | kergoth: hope you have a good time |
| 15:27.36 | kergoth | thanks |
| 15:27.46 | AndyQ | kergoth: watch out for the loose ladies |
| 15:27.57 | AndyQ | kergoth: I've heard tell their easy to spot though :) |
| 15:28.15 | AndyQ | s/their/they're |
| 15:28.36 | kergoth | AndyQ: yeah yeah :) |
| 15:38.49 | AndyQ | ok, thats it for tonight - see you all |
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| 15:45.17 | Cloudchaser | hey kergoth.. have a great time this weekend! |
| 15:45.27 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: thanks :) |
| 15:46.52 | chouimat | kergoth: you leave tonight? |
| 15:47.07 | ljp_work | ya dont forget to bring your kernel code! |
| 15:47.22 | kergoth | chouimat: tomorrow morning, around 6am |
| 15:47.48 | chouimat | and also don't forget this: "Don't be a fool, wrap your tool" and don't do like Homer and ned :) |
| 15:47.49 | kergoth | i should have oz booting with libc 2.2.4 again, and using apmd+opiealarm before i leave |
| 15:47.51 | *** join/#openzaurus victorvdl (~victorvdl@ip84.13-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com) |
| 15:47.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:47.56 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah yeah i know :) |
| 15:48.04 | chouimat | kergoth: Homer and ned? |
| 15:52.19 | Onyx4|work | ok i'm uploading my changeset for konqe |
| 15:52.23 | Onyx4|work | should be done in a minute |
| 15:52.48 | kergoth | oh guys |
| 15:52.50 | Onyx4|work | yay |
| 15:52.52 | kergoth | ldconfig is 400k |
| 15:52.53 | kergoth | !! |
| 15:53.00 | kergoth | i'm thinking that should be split into a seperate package |
| 15:53.06 | chouimat | kergoth: init is 34506MB :) |
| 15:53.10 | kergoth | chouimat: lol |
| 15:53.17 | kergoth | chouimat: not quite *that* bad ;) |
| 15:53.23 | chouimat | kergoth: gcc 3.2 based? |
| 15:53.53 | kergoth | no, gcc3.2 + glibc 2.3.1 images work fine |
| 15:54.03 | kergoth | its something with libc6 2.2.4 on the non gcc3.2 rom that causes a failure to boot |
| 15:55.44 | chouimat | fuck! tomorrow is garbages day and I need to get out to buy garbages bags :( |
| 15:57.57 | Onyx4|work | ok konqe is now in buildroot |
| 15:58.42 | Onyx4|work | I renamed what I had begun for the real konqe as Makefile.old |
| 15:58.47 | Onyx4|work | so that we can come back to it later |
| 15:58.50 | kergoth | chouimat: lol |
| 16:01.21 | Onyx4|work | TheMasterMind1: I found out why qpe support is not enabled in SDL |
| 16:01.37 | Onyx4|work | configure:6518: /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin/arm-linux-g++ -c -DQT_QWS_EBX -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -DQT_QWS_CUSTOM -DQWS -I/include -I/include/ -DNO_DEBUG conftest.C 1>&5 |
| 16:01.37 | Onyx4|work | configure:6510: qpe/qpeapplication.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:01.39 | Onyx4|work | missing an include dir |
| 16:02.18 | chouimat|out | brb |
| 16:05.13 | ibz | kergoth: none of the hancom postinst scripts work...no /bin/bash? |
| 16:06.27 | ibz | sheet and presenter seem to work...word b0rks...trying to look at. |
| 16:06.34 | kergoth | k |
| 16:11.36 | Onyx4|work | kergoth: do you think we should export a global QTDIR and OPIEDIR somewhere? |
| 16:11.57 | Onyx4|work | as we start compiling apps for OPIE, otherwise we'll end up having to change a lot of makefile everytime the buildir change for qte-2.3.4-beta2 for example |
| 16:11.59 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: probably, then it'd be only a couple places to change when we change qt vers instead of a crapload |
| 16:12.02 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: yep |
| 16:12.09 | kergoth | do it |
| 16:12.14 | Onyx4|work | so I put that in Vars.make? |
| 16:12.21 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: yeah |
| 16:14.59 | Onyx4|work | so ifdef QTE-2.3.4 export blah endif |
| 16:15.00 | Onyx4|work | same for OPIE? |
| 16:16.08 | cbok | alright |
| 16:16.14 | cbok | i have a really stupid ass question |
| 16:16.27 | cbok | about AQPkg |
| 16:17.24 | cbok | i am consistently getting unable to link bla bla to /mnt/card/... when installing packages to SD card |
| 16:17.28 | cbok | never run into this before |
| 16:19.38 | kergoth | cbok: harmless |
| 16:20.48 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: no. just do the export without the condition |
| 16:20.48 | Onyx4|work | really? oh ok |
| 16:20.48 | Onyx4|work | now SDL picked up qtopia support since I added that |
| 16:20.48 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 16:20.50 | Onyx4|work | you sure you don't want the ifdef? |
| 16:21.01 | chouimat | Onyx4|work: huh? |
| 16:21.05 | Onyx4|work | this is what I did |
| 16:21.06 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: its not necessary |
| 16:21.07 | Onyx4|work | ifdef CONFIG_QTE-2.3.4 |
| 16:21.07 | Onyx4|work | export QTDIR=$(BUILD_DIR)/qt-2.3.4-beta2 |
| 16:21.07 | Onyx4|work | endif |
| 16:21.07 | Onyx4|work | ifdef CONFIG_OPIE |
| 16:21.07 | Onyx4|work | export QPEDIR=$(BUILD_DIR)/opie |
| 16:21.07 | Onyx4|work | export OPIEDIR=$(BUILD_DIR)/opie |
| 16:21.09 | Onyx4|work | endif |
| 16:21.13 | NightStar | Kergoth, I got another minor bug... |
| 16:21.17 | kergoth | NightStar: whats that |
| 16:21.35 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: doesnt really matter |
| 16:21.37 | NightStar | Wireless lan setting application, selecting "Shared Key" |
| 16:21.38 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 16:21.44 | kergoth | NightStar: yeah, its broken |
| 16:21.47 | kergoth | NightStar: :) |
| 16:21.53 | cbok | kergoth: harmless |
| 16:22.00 | kergoth | NightStar: open system adds 'open' to the key, which is wrong, and it doesnt set shared key properly |
| 16:22.02 | cbok | kergoth: what am i doing wrong? |
| 16:22.06 | kergoth | cbok: nothing. |
| 16:22.09 | NightStar | Ok, thanks. |
| 16:22.22 | cbok | wha? |
| 16:22.25 | kergoth | cbok: the package filelist contains directories as well as files, including dirs that already exist |
| 16:22.31 | cbok | *nod* |
| 16:22.38 | kergoth | cbok: its trying to symlink say .. /mnt/card/usr/bin to /usr/bin, when /usr/bin already exists |
| 16:22.45 | cbok | this is happening on a freshly newfs'd card |
| 16:22.49 | kergoth | cbok: and it'd waste time to check every link to see if it already exists |
| 16:22.54 | kergoth | cbok: your card is irrelevent. |
| 16:22.54 | cbok | and the package installation(s) are failing |
| 16:22.58 | cbok | k |
| 16:22.58 | kergoth | cbok: huh? |
| 16:23.02 | kergoth | cbok: link failure != install failure |
| 16:23.12 | kergoth | cbok: postinst failure also != install failure |
| 16:23.20 | cbok | *nod* |
| 16:23.40 | cbok | i'm cool and understanding that aqpkg will bitch, etc |
| 16:23.49 | cbok | but,when its failing to insall the pkg |
| 16:23.52 | cbok | i think that is weird |
| 16:23.56 | kergoth | cbok: then thats not why its failing. |
| 16:24.06 | kergoth | its incidental |
| 16:24.10 | kergoth | its failing for some other reason |
| 16:24.13 | NightStar | kergoth: Were you able to duplicate kismet ncusese error? |
| 16:24.24 | NightStar | s/ncusese/ncurses/ |
| 16:24.24 | cbok | lemme stare at it again |
| 16:24.28 | kergoth | NightStar: havent had a chance to test, work has been incredibly hectic |
| 16:24.35 | NightStar | I understand. |
| 16:24.45 | kergoth | NightStar: going to vegas tomorrow morning, had to get all my shit done here (the stuff no one else here can do) |
| 16:24.58 | kergoth | NightStar: might have a bit of time after i get home this evening to take a look |
| 16:25.01 | Onyx4|work | where's the ipktemp dir now? |
| 16:25.06 | Onyx4|work | not under output? |
| 16:25.06 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: build/ |
| 16:25.08 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 16:25.13 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: since it really isnt an output thing, its part of the build process |
| 16:25.22 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: schurig did that. good move, but i keep forgetting its there |
| 16:25.33 | kergoth | so i keep rm -rf output/ipk* expecting the ipktemp to get wiped |
| 16:25.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:26.07 | NightStar | I took my Zaurus and laptop to Kitsap Pennsiula Linux Users Group meeting. We ran two laptops and zaurus with wireless and played two player go. Vnc allowed multiple laptops to both control the vncserver :) |
| 16:26.21 | kergoth | NightStar: hah, nice |
| 16:26.35 | Onyx4|work | TheMasterMind1: you there? |
| 16:26.36 | kergoth | that new fbvncserver from the folks at SVG works great |
| 16:26.41 | cbok | nightstar: you're in wash state? |
| 16:26.51 | NightStar | Washinton. |
| 16:26.51 | kergoth | NightStar: report those network setup apps in the opie bug tracker |
| 16:26.57 | cbok | right |
| 16:27.01 | cbok | washington state |
| 16:27.02 | NightStar | Ok. |
| 16:27.03 | kergoth | NightStar: whats the correct way of setting to 'shared key' in wireless.opts again? |
| 16:27.04 | cbok | <-- seattle |
| 16:27.22 | NightStar | cbok: I'm in Silverdale. |
| 16:27.28 | cbok | excellent |
| 16:27.35 | cbok | small world |
| 16:27.46 | NightStar | Let me boot my laptop up.. |
| 16:27.50 | cbok | kerogth: you'll appreciate this... |
| 16:28.22 | kergoth | ... should i be worried? |
| 16:28.23 | cbok | kergoth: i was wearing my first avenue "staff" sweatshirt today, went to get coffee at Tully's, the guy at the register was like "where'd you get that shir"... |
| 16:28.24 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:28.31 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:28.52 | cbok | kergoth: i said i worked at first ave back in the early 90's for 6 years |
| 16:29.04 | kergoth | haha, some guy wants to run openzaurus has his desktop distro |
| 16:29.05 | kergoth | dear god, why |
| 16:29.11 | kergoth | just use debian for gods sake |
| 16:29.13 | cbok | kergoth: dude was like "nice, i spend my 22nd birthday there 2 years ago.." |
| 16:29.25 | cbok | s/spend/spent |
| 16:29.41 | kergoth | hehe, small world. i either didnt know or forgot that you had worked there |
| 16:30.02 | cbok | probably did not know |
| 16:30.10 | cbok | i dont generally mention that stuff |
| 16:30.19 | Onyx4|work | can I do this in the Vars.make |
| 16:30.21 | Onyx4|work | export QTDIR=$(BUILD_DIR)/qt-2.3.4-beta2 |
| 16:30.21 | Onyx4|work | export QT=$(QTDIR) |
| 16:30.32 | kergoth | why? |
| 16:30.39 | kergoth | you can, but nothing uses the QT var |
| 16:30.44 | kergoth | afaik anyway |
| 16:30.54 | Onyx4|work | it's defined at two places in the opie and qte makefile |
| 16:31.03 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: its not used. |
| 16:31.07 | Onyx4|work | ok I'll just take it out |
| 16:31.10 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:31.12 | kergoth | cool |
| 16:31.26 | cbok | kergoth: dont mention because its personal.... |
| 16:31.34 | kergoth | cbok: yeah, i know how that is |
| 16:31.42 | cbok | kergoth: *nod* |
| 16:32.14 | kergoth | cbok: so are you still seeing your ugly pcmcia network issues in OZ? |
| 16:32.25 | cbok | nope |
| 16:32.30 | cbok | well |
| 16:32.34 | cbok | as i had m |
| 16:32.38 | cbok | ugh |
| 16:32.42 | cbok | as i had mentioned earlier today |
| 16:32.55 | Onyx4|work | so what else besides opie and qte had the dir defined in their makefile? |
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| 16:32.58 | cbok | after setting static info or chaning back to dhcp |
| 16:33.06 | cbok | must remove the card and re-insert |
| 16:33.29 | cbok | and when adding static dns entried via the app, nothing saves in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:33.31 | cbok | *shrug* |
| 16:33.32 | kergoth | cbok: ah, so networksetup isnt downing the interface and bringing it back up after changing options |
| 16:33.34 | cbok | i just add it manually,. :) |
| 16:33.37 | kergoth | cbok: you on unstable or stable? |
| 16:33.38 | cbok | right |
| 16:33.40 | cbok | stab |
| 16:33.42 | cbok | le |
| 16:33.49 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 16:34.01 | kergoth | the dns thing is fixed in cvs |
| 16:34.09 | cbok | cool |
| 16:34.20 | cbok | i need to find some time to futz w/cvs and building things |
| 16:34.26 | NightStar | Ok, in the /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts the setting for open or restricted (shared key) is a keyword after the KEY setting. |
| 16:34.28 | cbok | but, after working 70 hours last week. |
| 16:34.29 | cbok | no time |
| 16:34.40 | kergoth | cbok: ack. heh |
| 16:34.42 | Dessimat0r | 70 hours.. erk |
| 16:34.43 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 16:34.46 | NightStar | i.e. KEY="XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX restricted" |
| 16:35.05 | cbok | yeah |
| 16:35.08 | Dessimat0r | there are 70 hours in a week?! |
| 16:35.12 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: lol |
| 16:35.19 | kergoth | NightStar: whats the keyword for open? |
| 16:35.19 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 16:36.07 | NightStar | I think it's |
| 16:36.10 | NightStar | "open" |
| 16:36.17 | NightStar | Lemme look at man page. |
| 16:36.32 | kergoth | NightStar: k. I can fix that issue in opie cvs real quick, only like one line of code to change |
| 16:36.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:37.31 | NightStar | Yes, it's "open" and "restricted" |
| 16:37.36 | kergoth | k |
| 16:37.46 | NightStar | open seems to be default if not specified. |
| 16:37.51 | kergoth | so our open is correct, its just not putting restricted in |
| 16:37.52 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:38.01 | kergoth | alrighty, i'll make it add restricted then |
| 16:38.09 | ibz | kergoth: running HancomMobileWord under gdb... |
| 16:38.25 | kergoth | ibz: talk to NightStar, his boss is working on that very issue |
| 16:38.37 | ibz | NightStar: ping |
| 16:38.54 | NightStar | He d/l strace and will be working on it tonight. |
| 16:39.06 | kergoth | cool |
| 16:39.21 | ibz | cool |
| 16:39.24 | NightStar | He has it running as look as he immediately changes fonts, but they are not listed by name. |
| 16:39.38 | NightStar | It's like the font listing for hancom is missing. |
| 16:39.56 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:40.02 | NightStar | He has a rsynced copy of the Sharp ROM, but he thinks he missed something. |
| 16:40.21 | NightStar | He is going to reinstall Sharp ROM and go find whatever he missed. |
| 16:40.27 | kergoth | NightStar: i'd try the sharp libqpe on our libqte, see if it exhibits the same behavior |
| 16:40.29 | Onyx4|work | TheMasterMind1: ping |
| 16:40.40 | kergoth | NightStar: there was a slight change in font handling in libqte 2.3.4 |
| 16:40.42 | kergoth | NightStar: afaicr |
| 16:40.48 | NightStar | Ah... |
| 16:41.06 | kergoth | NightStar: interesting thing is, someone has it running on an ipaq |
| 16:41.12 | kergoth | NightStar: which has the same libqte as we do |
| 16:41.32 | ibz | hold on, am not even getting that far...gdb says it tries to create a directory called ' '... |
| 16:41.50 | ibz | which obvioulsy fails, it continues, then there's a bus error... |
| 16:41.56 | kergoth | ibz: do a backtrace |
| 16:42.08 | NightStar | It looks for directories that were not in the rsync of the Sharp ROM. |
| 16:42.11 | ibz | no debugging symbols ;) |
| 16:42.17 | kergoth | ibz: i know |
| 16:42.19 | NightStar | But that might be "normal" |
| 16:42.26 | kergoth | ibz: but it may be crashing somewhere other than within hancom |
| 16:42.29 | kergoth | ibz: i.e. in a lib |
| 16:42.40 | ibz | mkdir: Cannot create directory '': No such file or directory |
| 16:42.41 | NightStar | Yes, strace should be able to see that. |
| 16:42.42 | ibz | (no debugging symbols found)... |
| 16:42.44 | ibz | Program received signal SIGBUS, Bus error. |
| 16:42.46 | ibz | 0x40367824 in QGfxRaster<16, 0>::fillRect () |
| 16:42.48 | ibz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.51 | ibz | (gdb) bt |
| 16:42.52 | ibz | #0 0x40367824 in QGfxRaster<16, 0>::fillRect () |
| 16:42.54 | ibz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.56 | ibz | Cannot access memory at address 0x0 |
| 16:42.58 | ibz | (gdb) |
| 16:43.01 | Onyx4|work | kergoth: mm I was editing the qte makefile before you bk pushed |
| 16:43.06 | Onyx4|work | now I see this in qte's makefile |
| 16:43.07 | kergoth | cannot access memory at address 0x0? |
| 16:43.12 | Onyx4|work | endif |
| 16:43.12 | Onyx4|work | >>>>>>> |
| 16:43.17 | Onyx4|work | what's that? |
| 16:43.17 | kergoth | that smells like a null pointer deref in fillRect |
| 16:43.18 | NightStar | Sig11 |
| 16:43.21 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: its a conflict |
| 16:43.25 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: you have to manually resolve |
| 16:43.31 | ibz | kergoth: that's the directory methinks, the null directory pointer. |
| 16:43.46 | kergoth | ibz: i disagree |
| 16:43.51 | kergoth | thats interesting though |
| 16:43.51 | kergoth | hm |
| 16:45.43 | MSpin | kergoth: I recall seeing a url around hee for a cross gcc3 that you built |
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| 16:45.52 | NightStar | Bossman took of headed home, I'll forward him ibz's info and we'll set what he come up with tomarrow. |
| 16:46.08 | NightStar | s/of/off/ |
| 16:46.10 | coup | evenin |
| 16:46.10 | kergoth | ibot: tell MSpin about oz toolchain |
| 16:46.27 | kergoth | hey coup |
| 16:46.31 | coup | weird, on channel 4 (in the UK) there is a live autopsy on TV |
| 16:46.37 | kergoth | er, odd |
| 16:46.50 | MSpin | kergoth: ok,m thanks |
| 16:46.55 | kergoth | MSpin: np |
| 16:47.02 | kergoth | MSpin: thats the toolchain i used to build the gcc3.2 rom |
| 16:47.30 | Onyx4|work | kergoth: ok bk pull |
| 16:47.34 | Onyx4|work | tell me if it looks allright |
| 16:47.48 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: k |
| 16:47.50 | coup | kergoth: anything changed in the last 3 or 4 days worth upgrading my Z for? thinking about getting it working through the cradle again instead of wifi now the laptop is gone, but only if there's something worth doing :) |
| 16:48.00 | kergoth | coup: not really. upcoming spiffiness though |
| 16:48.07 | kergoth | coup: atd is going away completely in favor of something sane. |
| 16:48.07 | coup | kergoth: cool |
| 16:48.16 | kergoth | coup: so the elusive time loss bug is about to die |
| 16:48.18 | coup | kergoth: yeah, been keeping up on that one |
| 16:48.21 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:48.24 | kergoth | FINALLY |
| 16:48.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:48.25 | Onyx4|work | OZ 3.1 will rock! |
| 16:48.30 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: yup |
| 16:48.39 | coup | kergoth: again an important fix to bring people into the OZ fold |
| 16:48.39 | kergoth | if we can get the opera and hancom word issues figured |
| 16:48.41 | kergoth | i'll be happy |
| 16:48.44 | kergoth | coup: indeed |
| 16:48.55 | kergoth | getting that networksetup ppp module will help alot as well |
| 16:48.59 | coup | kergoth: we'll have to make banners and stuff :) |
| 16:49.01 | Onyx4|work | kergoth: I think now with SDL built for QT, I'm real close to getting mplayer to work right, if I could just figure out this libvorbis problem ...grrr |
| 16:49.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:49.11 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: yeah, the vorbis one is just fucking weird |
| 16:49.19 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: what blows me away, is configure says build shared libs: yes |
| 16:49.19 | cbok | kergoth: timeframe? |
| 16:49.22 | cbok | years? |
| 16:49.23 | cbok | weeks? |
| 16:49.24 | cbok | days? |
| 16:49.29 | kergoth | cbok: for oz3.1? |
| 16:49.30 | coup | 14 mins 8 seconds |
| 16:49.31 | coup | 7 |
| 16:49.32 | coup | 6 |
| 16:49.33 | coup | 5 |
| 16:49.34 | coup | 4 |
| 16:49.35 | coup | ;) |
| 16:50.01 | Onyx4|work | does someone have mastermind's recent mplayer? |
| 16:50.07 | chouimat | Onyx4|work: SDL build for qt? |
| 16:50.19 | Onyx4|work | chouimat: I just built a libSDL that video should now work |
| 16:50.24 | Onyx4|work | chouimat: but i'm at work without my Z :) |
| 16:50.35 | chouimat | Onyx4|work: gcc 2.95? |
| 16:50.38 | Onyx4|work | chouimat: yes |
| 16:50.47 | chouimat | Onyx4|work: :( |
| 16:50.49 | Onyx4|work | chouimat: well it's in the buildroot now, just bk pull and compile qte-sdl |
| 16:50.57 | Onyx4|work | chouimat: or you're not using bk? |
| 16:50.59 | cbok | kergoth: yes, for oz 3.1 |
| 16:51.22 | kergoth | cbok: i'd say 2 weeks or so. |
| 16:51.25 | kergoth | approx |
| 16:51.26 | cbok | NO SHIT? |
| 16:51.29 | cbok | nice. |
| 16:51.30 | cbok | :-D |
| 16:51.32 | kergoth | no shit. its primarily a bugfix release |
| 16:51.36 | chouimat | Onyx4|work: I'm currently seting up my compile farm :) |
| 16:51.41 | Onyx4|work | chouimat: ok |
| 16:51.43 | kergoth | the next major release after that will coincide with opie 1.0 |
| 16:51.49 | coup | sweet |
| 16:51.50 | kergoth | and hopefully have a kernel upgrade as well |
| 16:51.50 | cbok | *nod* |
| 16:51.54 | kergoth | if i can ever fidn the damn time |
| 16:51.55 | cbok | woot! |
| 16:52.04 | chouimat | tabarnack! y neige encore ! |
| 16:52.07 | coup | kergoth: likely to be before 07/01/03? else i wont get to upgrade until Sept 03 :) |
| 16:52.09 | kergoth | tik and cerezu volunteered to help on that front, we need more volunteers |
| 16:52.30 | chouimat | kergoth: 2.5 kernel? |
| 16:52.46 | kergoth | chouimat: probably 2.4.20, for stability reasons |
| 16:52.51 | kergoth | chouimat: though i'd like 2.5 to be available as well |
| 16:53.08 | Onyx4|work | if we could get the mods for 2.4.18 from sharp, that'd help :) |
| 16:53.09 | coup | unstable/incomplete kernels scare me :) |
| 16:53.17 | kergoth | chouimat: What we really need, is specs on the locomo fucking chip |
| 16:53.25 | kergoth | chouimat: then we could finish it in like a week, flat |
| 16:53.31 | kergoth | chouimat: but no, we have to fly blind |
| 16:53.33 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: possibly |
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| 16:53.43 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: if the 5600 uses any of the same hardware, yeah |
| 16:53.51 | coup | autopsy is starting, think it's time for me to flick channels and find a nice fluffy cartoon |
| 16:53.51 | chouimat | kergoth: I know. anyone had those specs? |
| 16:53.52 | Onyx4|work | yeah let's hope so |
| 16:54.37 | NightStar | I heard that sharp is saying that the A700 won't be available in the US because the keyboard layout in incompatable with the US software... Huh? |
| 16:54.37 | coup | heading off to bed i think, night all :) |
| 16:54.52 | coup | NightStar: sounds crazy to me |
| 16:54.53 | chouimat | kergoth: if we can find those specs. netbsd will be out in 2 months :) |
| 16:55.00 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe |
| 16:55.17 | kergoth | chouimat: well, bruce perens was over at sharp trying to get the info, but i dont think he got it |
| 16:55.31 | kergoth | NightStar: haha |
| 16:55.35 | chouimat | kergoth: or we play with the current source an document it |
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| 16:55.55 | cbok | kergoth - any scoop on the "new" 5600? |
| 16:55.57 | kergoth | chouimat: yes. but we're limited. there is info about this chip that isnt in the source :) |
| 16:56.03 | kergoth | cbok: what about it? :) |
| 16:56.09 | cbok | i dunno |
| 16:56.12 | cbok | i'm fishing.. |
| 16:56.12 | cbok | :-D |
| 16:56.20 | cbok | dont wanna know any nda breaching type stuff |
| 16:56.35 | cbok | just your opinion, and when you get to play with one |
| 16:56.38 | Cloudchaser | darn my internet connection is horribly slow tonight |
| 16:56.38 | Onyx4|work | whois schurig ? |
| 16:56.50 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: he's a oz dev who is using it on an industrial pda |
| 16:56.53 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: 'ramses' |
| 16:57.01 | Onyx4|work | he doesn't hang out here? |
| 16:57.03 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: one of those units you can drop 2 floors and have ben intact |
| 16:57.05 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: yes, he does |
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| 16:59.46 | kergoth | ibot: wb |
| 16:59.47 | | thx |
| 16:59.53 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 16:59.55 | cbok | nice |
| 17:00.08 | Onyx4|work | let me verify that libogg and libvorbis are compiled with full optmizations for performance reasons |
| 17:00.23 | Onyx4|work | and libmad too |
| 17:01.11 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:01.25 | kergoth | we should remove the /root/.profile, make the oz-base postinst populate it from /etc/skel/ |
| 17:02.23 | chouimat | Onyx4|work: how big is mplayer? |
| 17:02.50 | Onyx4|work | it's like 700k I think |
| 17:03.30 | chouimat | with the libs? |
| 17:03.38 | Onyx4|work | no just mplayer alone |
| 17:03.43 | Onyx4|work | then add libSDL and libvorbis+libogg |
| 17:03.46 | Onyx4|work | maybe 1Mb total |
| 17:04.20 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: i'll merge ramses support into a single base package |
| 17:09.08 | Onyx4|work | so how can we produce a .so file from a .al ? |
| 17:09.30 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: libtool should be doing it on its own during a --mode link afaicr |
| 17:10.04 | Onyx4|work | yeah I just want to bypass libtool until we can figure it out |
| 17:10.29 | kergoth | .al is a libtool thing. |
| 17:10.34 | kergoth | there is no 'bypass libtool' |
| 17:10.36 | kergoth | at that point |
| 17:10.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:10.44 | Onyx4|work | grr |
| 17:14.44 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: just about done merging ramses and oz base |
| 17:15.29 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: I'm going to have 'target machine type' selection set certain variables |
| 17:15.50 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: like which kernel gets enabled by default, and whether devfs is used, and that sort of thing |
| 17:17.00 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 17:19.16 | ibz | Onyx4|work: i have mastermind's mplayer. |
| 17:19.50 | Onyx4|work | ibz: ok I'd like you to try a new libSDL and see if video with qtopia will work now |
| 17:19.55 | Onyx4|work | if you want to |
| 17:20.24 | ibz | hold on, explain, video with qtopia? |
| 17:21.03 | Onyx4|work | it would use QT library to output video instead of framebuffer, so no redraw problems |
| 17:21.19 | ibz | ahh...interesting. |
| 17:21.41 | ibz | ok...i'm in. |
| 17:23.36 | Onyx4|work | ibz: ok download this |
| 17:23.38 | Onyx4|work | http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/qte-sdl_20021112-2_arm.ipk |
| 17:24.01 | Onyx4|work | and launch mplayer with -vo sdl |
| 17:24.07 | Onyx4|work | and see if it works |
| 17:24.31 | ibz | authorisation required |
| 17:25.03 | Onyx4|work | k try again |
| 17:25.44 | ibz | success. |
| 17:26.06 | ibz | ok, gimme a minute |
| 17:26.16 | Onyx4|work | I don't think you need a new mplayer, you have the new one pre10 right? |
| 17:26.43 | ibz | yeah, i just need to install the ipk right? |
| 17:26.54 | Onyx4|work | yeah ipkg -dest <x> upgrade nameofipk |
| 17:30.03 | Onyx4|work | you probably had the qte-sdl -1 before right? |
| 17:30.18 | ibz | yeah, just about to run it. |
| 17:30.22 | Onyx4|work | k |
| 17:31.43 | ibz | undefined symbol: cmd__12QPaintDeviceiP8QPainterP13QPDevCmdParam |
| 17:32.12 | Onyx4|work | mmm |
| 17:32.21 | ibz | that's the error - while loading shared library... |
| 17:32.52 | ibz | recognise the error? |
| 17:33.08 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: Is something keeping mplayer from getting into the package feed? |
| 17:33.11 | Onyx4|work | oh, I wonder if we have the LD_LIBRARY_PATH set |
| 17:33.24 | Onyx4|work | so that /opt/QtPalmtop/lib is included |
| 17:33.31 | Onyx4|work | because that's where the library is |
| 17:34.00 | Onyx4|work | bbeattie: yes, we need to compile libvorbis correctly |
| 17:34.02 | Onyx4|work | bbeattie: and make SDL video work |
| 17:34.24 | Onyx4|work | bbeattie: libvorbis won't build .so shared library for some reason, some libtool problem |
| 17:34.34 | Onyx4|work | and I think i'm close to figure out the qtopia video issue |
| 17:34.43 | ibz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.42 | ibz | Onyx4|work: i need a shower...be back in a few... |
| 17:35.44 | bbeattie | Onyx4|work: great. |
| 17:35.47 | Onyx4|work | k |
| 17:39.38 | Onyx4|work | ibz: is it possible that you also have a LIBsdl in /opt/QtPalmtop/lib from another ipk? |
| 17:40.00 | Onyx4|work | like some eongames I think provides a libsdl |
| 17:43.43 | Onyx4|work | or maybe the .so path in the libSDL is hardcoded for our staging dir... I wonder |
| 17:43.54 | Onyx4|work | is there any way to do "ldd" on arm libraries? |
| 17:47.08 | Onyx4|work | is QT_CreateDevice in libqpe? |
| 17:47.15 | Onyx4|work | or libqte |
| 17:49.51 | ibz | no libSDL's in /opt/QtPalmtop/lib, i have no eongames, as far as i am aware... |
| 17:50.03 | ibz | is there no nm compiled for arm? |
| 17:50.06 | Onyx4|work | mmm ok maybe it's because we didn't use our libtool let me check |
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| 17:57.41 | Onyx4|work | so if I have arm-linux-nm, what's the trick to display the .so linkage? |
| 17:59.48 | ibz | you can't. i thought you wanted to know if QT_CreateDevice is in libqpe... |
| 18:00.12 | Onyx4|work | well what would be the reason it complains about undefined symbols |
| 18:00.39 | Onyx4|work | it would means that whatever is was linked against is not the same once on the zaurus maybe? |
| 18:00.49 | ibz | picking up a wrong or unlinked library |
| 18:01.00 | ibz | yeah |
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| 18:01.38 | Onyx4|work | can you redownload qte-sdl from me |
| 18:01.50 | Onyx4|work | I just rebuilt it with our libtool instead |
| 18:01.53 | Onyx4|work | see if that helps |
| 18:02.00 | Onyx4|work | http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/qte-sdl_20021112-2_arm.ipk |
| 18:02.30 | ibz | sure |
| 18:05.02 | ibz | same error. |
| 18:05.09 | Onyx4|work | ah |
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| 18:07.01 | Onyx4|work | if you use just normal -vo fb then it works? |
| 18:08.32 | ibz | nope |
| 18:09.48 | Onyx4|work | same error? |
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| 18:10.49 | Dessimat0r | .so graham norton |
| 18:11.10 | plastik | what package is libiw.so in? |
| 18:11.24 | plastik | some how i lost it and now kismet wont run |
| 18:11.53 | ibz | Onyx4|work: yeah, sorry, same error. |
| 18:12.14 | Onyx4|work | ibz: you running OZ 3.0? |
| 18:12.30 | ibz | Onyx4|work: i get the undefined symbol if i try and run it without args... |
| 18:12.42 | ibz | oz 3.0, hence #openzaurus ;) |
| 18:12.45 | Onyx4|work | cmd__12QPaintDeviceiP8QPainterP13QPDevCmdParam is in libqte |
| 18:13.07 | Onyx4|work | if I do "strings libqte.so.2.3.4 | grep 12QPaintDevice" it's there |
| 18:13.53 | ibz | damn i don't have strings installed... |
| 18:14.10 | chouimat | ibz: gcc 3 |
| 18:14.26 | Onyx4|work | ibz: are you running the gcc3 build? |
| 18:14.43 | ibz | no, TheMasterMind1's build. |
| 18:14.50 | ibz | ipk build., |
| 18:15.00 | ibz | oz, none-gcc3 |
| 18:15.15 | Onyx4|work | none-gcc3? |
| 18:15.34 | ibz | as in, not the oz using gcc3. |
| 18:15.40 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 18:15.49 | Onyx4|work | same as me |
| 18:16.14 | Onyx4|work | what is your version of qt-embedded |
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| 18:16.20 | Onyx4|work | is it 2.3.4-3d? |
| 18:17.07 | ibz | 2.3.4 |
| 18:17.32 | Onyx4|work | when you do ipkg status qt-embedded |
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| 18:18.12 | ibz | oh, qt-embedded_2.3.2-21 |
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| 18:18.26 | Onyx4|work | mmm where did that come from |
| 18:19.01 | Onyx4|work | did you flash OZ 3.0 or upgraded? |
| 18:19.11 | ibz | dunno...i just rtfm's and faq's... |
| 18:19.19 | ibz | flashed oz 3 |
| 18:19.37 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 18:19.48 | Onyx4|work | http://www.openzaurus.org/feeds/3.0/qt-embedded_2.3.4-3c_arm.ipk |
| 18:19.52 | Onyx4|work | that's what's in OZ 3.0 |
| 18:20.03 | ibz | hmmn... |
| 18:20.23 | Onyx4|work | you can look at /usr/lib/ipkg/info/qt-emb* |
| 18:20.27 | ibz | is it safe to umount my devices and ipkg upgrade? |
| 18:20.29 | Onyx4|work | look at the control file maybe |
| 18:21.03 | Onyx4|work | because sometimes ipkg might return what's in the feed, not what's installed in terms of version, not sure |
| 18:21.19 | ibz | control file says 2.3.4-3.c |
| 18:21.23 | kergoth`zzz | ipkg status shows every package it has ever heard of |
| 18:21.30 | kergoth`zzz | ipkg info shows whats installed |
| 18:21.56 | Onyx4|work | "info" oh... try that |
| 18:21.59 | ibz | ipkg info says 2.3.2-21 |
| 18:22.09 | kergoth`zzz | eh? |
| 18:22.11 | Onyx4|work | kergoth how could that be possible? 2.3.2? |
| 18:22.19 | kergoth`zzz | ipkg info obtains it from the control file in /usr/lib/ipkg/info/ |
| 18:22.21 | kergoth`zzz | heh |
| 18:22.33 | kergoth`zzz | Onyx4|work: shouldnt be possible. unless its another ipkg bug. |
| 18:22.47 | ibz | oh shit... |
| 18:22.52 | ibz | hold on... |
| 18:23.15 | ibz | info seems to show both...the last one is 2.3.2-21. |
| 18:23.40 | ibz | status shows just the one...2.3.2-21 |
| 18:23.49 | kergoth`zzz | thats backasswards |
| 18:23.55 | kergoth`zzz | status is supposed to show every avialable version |
| 18:23.58 | ibz | heh |
| 18:23.58 | kergoth`zzz | info the current |
| 18:24.00 | kergoth`zzz | grr |
| 18:24.17 | Onyx4|work | but on your Z you have the /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/qte-lib.so.2.3.4 ? |
| 18:24.28 | kergoth`zzz | s/qte-lib/libqte/ |
| 18:24.36 | kergoth`zzz | heh :) |
| 18:24.38 | Onyx4|work | yeah |
| 18:24.51 | ibz | libqte.so.2.3.4 |
| 18:25.14 | Onyx4|work | ok it's probably the SDL build who's got issue then maybe |
| 18:25.44 | ibz | wait...is this ok, seems a little strange... |
| 18:25.52 | ibz | # ls -la /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte* |
| 18:25.54 | ibz | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Jan 1 1970 /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2 -> libqte.so.2.3.4 |
| 18:25.56 | ibz | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Jan 1 1970 /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2.3 -> libqte.so.2.3.4 |
| 18:25.58 | ibz | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Nov 18 00:20 /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2.3.2 -> /mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2.3.2 |
| 18:26.00 | ibz | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3641512 Jan 1 1970 /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2.3.4 |
| 18:26.02 | ibz | # |
| 18:26.11 | kergoth`zzz | haha |
| 18:26.18 | kergoth`zzz | isnt recursion fun? |
| 18:26.28 | ibz | jan 1 1970? |
| 18:26.36 | kergoth`zzz | thats fine |
| 18:26.45 | kergoth`zzz | it stomps on the datestamps of everything in the rootfs |
| 18:27.21 | Onyx4|work | for some reason, you got yourself to install a libqte.so.2.3.2 from some feed |
| 18:27.46 | Onyx4|work | but at least all your symlinks are not pointing to it |
| 18:28.12 | ibz | safe to get rid of the 2.3.2 stuff right? |
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| 18:29.11 | ibz | shit! 1:30 already! |
| 18:29.14 | chouimat | kergoth`zzz: btw the two p200mmx add a quite enough processing power to my build farm |
| 18:29.18 | kergoth`zzz | chouimat: nice. |
| 18:29.27 | ibz | Onyx4|work: i got work tomorrow, gotta get some rest... |
| 18:29.35 | Onyx4|work | kergoth`out: you think I should enable this for ./configure on qte-sdl --enable-dlopen |
| 18:29.46 | Onyx4|work | use dlopen for shared object loading [default=no] |
| 18:29.51 | kergoth`zzz | Onyx4|work: yes. |
| 18:29.56 | Onyx4|work | maybe that's the problem |
| 18:29.56 | ibz | g'night comrades. |
| 18:30.02 | kergoth`zzz | night ibz |
| 18:30.21 | chouimat | kergoth`zzz: 3 PIII (667,800,1000) and 2 P200MMX |
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| 18:31.38 | Onyx4|work | what will that change? |
| 18:32.04 | kergoth`zzz | Onyx4|work: theoretically, it'll help us later on trying to make a single sdl lib for either pico or qtopia |
| 18:32.08 | kergoth`zzz | Onyx4|work: but that wont help your current problem |
| 18:32.14 | Onyx4|work | doh |
| 18:33.56 | Onyx4|work | could we get a "ldd" command for arm binaries? |
| 18:34.09 | Onyx4|work | I think that'd be useful, but I don't know where it comes from |
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| 18:38.35 | Onyx4|work | Anyway, I'll leave it like this until I can test it at home with my Z |
| 18:38.39 | Onyx4|work | I bk pushed all my changes |
| 18:38.58 | Onyx4|work | I wonder if it has to do with the fact that I set prefix to be the staging area |
| 18:39.10 | Onyx4|work | just so that sdl-config reports the right directory when programs are looking for it |
| 18:39.12 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 18:39.19 | Dessimat0r | it gets late ;) |
| 18:40.20 | Dessimat0r | What is green and smells of bacon? Kermit's finger ;) |
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| 19:11.37 | chouimat | hi DaWorm |
| 19:14.04 | DaWorm | chouimat :) |
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| 19:49.41 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
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| 20:21.15 | TheMasterMind1 | is the unstable feed currently borken? |
| 20:23.20 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, what a question to ask |
| 20:23.34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm uhoh |
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| 20:49.48 | TheMasterMind1 | argh |
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| 20:59.31 | jmhodges | hola folks |
| 20:59.35 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 21:01.39 | DaWorm | hey jm |
| 21:01.50 | jmhodges | heya DaWorm |
| 21:02.32 | jmhodges | whats everyone up to? |
| 21:03.41 | DaWorm | oh nothing much |
| 21:03.55 | DaWorm | im still wondering why hancom sheet lost some icons in oz |
| 21:04.05 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds like libjpeg trouble |
| 21:04.15 | TheMasterMind1 | opera is suffering from that also |
| 21:04.16 | jmhodges | jeode did that.. but for some reason they reappeared today |
| 21:04.19 | jmhodges | i have no idea why |
| 21:04.57 | DaWorm | oh jeode works great with me |
| 21:05.03 | DaWorm | but i uninstalled it last night |
| 21:05.10 | DaWorm | i have no java apps i need |
| 21:05.10 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 21:06.20 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 21:06.28 | jmhodges | ok mandrake is pretty cool |
| 21:06.41 | jmhodges | rather, gnome is with mandrakes sweet little config thingies |
| 21:06.44 | TheMasterMind1 | mandrake is crape |
| 21:06.49 | jmhodges | hrm.. need to try slackware next |
| 21:06.50 | TheMasterMind1 | crap |
| 21:06.53 | TheMasterMind1 | use debian |
| 21:06.53 | jmhodges | lol |
| 21:06.55 | jmhodges | ok why? |
| 21:07.01 | jmhodges | bah, too behind in apps |
| 21:07.02 | jmhodges | sorry |
| 21:07.08 | TheMasterMind1 | huh? |
| 21:07.08 | jmhodges | mdk probably is too |
| 21:07.10 | TheMasterMind1 | behind? |
| 21:07.13 | TheMasterMind1 | howso |
| 21:07.18 | jmhodges | maybe i misheard |
| 21:07.33 | TheMasterMind1 | debian is great. i dunno what you're talking about |
| 21:07.46 | TheMasterMind1 | you can use the unstable feed and get bleeding edge apps |
| 21:07.49 | jmhodges | well ok ill concede taht point |
| 21:07.59 | TheMasterMind1 | or testing and get new working stuff |
| 21:08.02 | DaWorm | debian's great |
| 21:08.05 | TheMasterMind1 | or stable for old tested and works great stuff |
| 21:08.11 | DaWorm | but i'm forced to use rh at work |
| 21:08.12 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 21:08.19 | DaWorm | "standardized setup" shit |
| 21:08.21 | jmhodges | but ive heard the install is awful, and frankly i would like to make it easier on myself, now whether its easier than slackware is unclera to me |
| 21:08.23 | DaWorm | IT bastards |
| 21:08.24 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 21:08.35 | TheMasterMind1 | jmhodges: heh, you've heard a lot of wrong things |
| 21:08.38 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 21:08.42 | TheMasterMind1 | debian's install is definitely better than slackwares |
| 21:08.49 | jmhodges | coolie |
| 21:08.54 | jmhodges | damn i burned the cd too |
| 21:08.55 | jmhodges | fsck |
| 21:08.57 | TheMasterMind1 | and debian's base install is like 200 megs. its a pure power distro. you only install the crap you need |
| 21:09.04 | jmhodges | true |
| 21:09.06 | TheMasterMind1 | no extra stuff |
| 21:09.28 | jmhodges | yeah that was annoying |
| 21:09.38 | TheMasterMind1 | www.themastermind1.net/syslab/basics.php |
| 21:09.41 | jmhodges | i didnt even want to go through the damn list in the mdk install |
| 21:09.47 | jmhodges | still cant figure out where rwho is |
| 21:09.53 | jmhodges | and that update bs that didnt work |
| 21:09.55 | jmhodges | oof |
| 21:10.29 | TheMasterMind1 | in debian, you just do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and your entire system is updated with new versions of stuff |
| 21:10.33 | TheMasterMind1 | its what ipkg is based off of |
| 21:10.37 | jmhodges | hrm.. fuck |
| 21:10.40 | DaWorm | apt is great |
| 21:10.44 | jmhodges | your probably going to get me on deb |
| 21:10.45 | DaWorm | makes us lazy users |
| 21:10.46 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 21:10.47 | jmhodges | and im going to cry |
| 21:10.53 | jmhodges | cause i wasted a cd on slack |
| 21:10.54 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 21:11.00 | jmhodges | im low on cds here |
| 21:11.02 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:11.06 | DaWorm | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:11.06 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 21:11.10 | TheMasterMind1 | you don't need a CD for deb |
| 21:11.14 | TheMasterMind1 | just make 6 floppies |
| 21:11.19 | TheMasterMind1 | and you're set |
| 21:11.19 | DaWorm | when i first tried debian i got stumped with taskel |
| 21:11.20 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 21:11.23 | jmhodges | im in a drom |
| 21:11.29 | jmhodges | im lucky i have the cds i have |
| 21:11.30 | jmhodges | hehee |
| 21:11.31 | TheMasterMind1 | tasksel is complete and utter CRAP |
| 21:11.38 | jmhodges | i need to get my cdrws from home |
| 21:11.40 | DaWorm | dselect |
| 21:11.40 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 21:11.41 | jmhodges | tasksel? |
| 21:11.46 | TheMasterMind1 | don't use tasksel or dselect. stick with apt-get |
| 21:11.52 | DaWorm | i scrated my head with those stuff |
| 21:11.57 | DaWorm | i said screw them |
| 21:12.01 | jmhodges | THATS what was bad so i heard |
| 21:12.03 | DaWorm | apt should do everything |
| 21:12.05 | jmhodges | with the install i mean |
| 21:12.07 | TheMasterMind1 | jmhodges: some stupid app. if you decide to install debian, just follow my install guide on that link i gave you |
| 21:12.19 | TheMasterMind1 | www.themastermind1.net/syslab/basics-install.php |
| 21:12.24 | jmhodges | ah thanks TheMasterMind1 |
| 21:12.24 | TheMasterMind1 | www.themastermind1.net/syslab/basics.php |
| 21:12.32 | jmhodges | im going to have to run downstairs to print it |
| 21:12.37 | jmhodges | .. damn printer is out of ink |
| 21:12.42 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:12.45 | jmhodges | need to go mining |
| 21:12.47 | TheMasterMind1 | i just fixed a bug in ipkg |
| 21:12.55 | TheMasterMind1 | cept i can't fucking test it because this laptop sucks so much |
| 21:12.56 | jmhodges | get some vespene too while im at it |
| 21:13.03 | jmhodges | TheMasterMind1: lol |
| 21:13.27 | DaWorm | lol |
| 21:13.37 | DaWorm | hrmmm |
| 21:13.46 | DaWorm | anyone know where mozilla plugins go? |
| 21:13.50 | DaWorm | or should go? |
| 21:13.50 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, this is the bug that doesn't let you ipkg upgrade |
| 21:14.11 | TheMasterMind1 | i think i'm going to work on ipkg now |
| 21:14.16 | TheMasterMind1 | fix the damn thing |
| 21:15.34 | jmhodges | DaWorm: yeah |
| 21:15.42 | jmhodges | /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 21:15.46 | jmhodges | some where in there |
| 21:15.52 | jmhodges | tahts close ;) |
| 21:15.53 | jmhodges | lemme check |
| 21:16.03 | TheMasterMind1 | DaWorm: what are you installing |
| 21:16.21 | TheMasterMind1 | DaWorm: for flash, do apt-get install flashplugin, for the others, install them from inside mozilla |
| 21:16.39 | jmhodges | [jmh@jmhodge jmh]$ cd /usr/lib/mozilla-1.1/plugins/ |
| 21:16.39 | jmhodges | [jmh@jmhodge plugins]$ ls |
| 21:16.39 | jmhodges | libnullplugin.so* plugger.so@ |
| 21:16.44 | TheMasterMind1 | and apt-get install acroread for pdf |
| 21:17.22 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 21:17.46 | jmhodges | ok fuck |
| 21:23.53 | jmhodges | hrm |
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| 21:25.09 | jmhodges | need floppys! |
| 21:25.13 | jmhodges | or that cd |
| 21:25.14 | jmhodges | hrm... |
| 21:26.41 | jmhodges | argh i cant get lilo down |
| 21:26.46 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 21:26.50 | jmhodges | this worked in my OTHER distro |
| 21:26.55 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 21:26.58 | jmhodges | hrm.. sorry bitching to myself :) |
| 21:27.07 | jmhodges | ill take to #flood or somesuch |
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| 21:27.58 | TheMasterMind1 | DaWorm: you talk to opie guys bout those icons? |
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| 21:29.11 | DaWorm | haven't yet but just subscribed to the list...damn IT guys here at work giving me a hard time on their migration |
| 21:29.32 | guised | does anyone have a good webpage about how to use fdisk |
| 21:29.41 | guised | ibot fdisk |
| 21:29.42 | | no idea, guised |
| 21:29.46 | guised | lol |
| 21:29.51 | TheMasterMind1 | guised: fdisk is kinda flaky on OZ |
| 21:29.57 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't recommend using it |
| 21:29.58 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 21:30.09 | guised | damn... all i want to do is make my sd ext2 |
| 21:30.14 | guised | heh |
| 21:30.22 | ljp | you just cant list the partitions is all |
| 21:30.22 | TheMasterMind1 | especially on the SD card, because of that weird sd binaryonly driver |
| 21:30.33 | TheMasterMind1 | does freaky stuff sometimes |
| 21:30.39 | TheMasterMind1 | guised: just mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 |
| 21:30.40 | guised | ah |
| 21:30.43 | TheMasterMind1 | iirc |
| 21:30.46 | TheMasterMind1 | you don't need to fdisk it |
| 21:31.08 | guised | so all i have to do is type "mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1" at the prompt? |
| 21:32.16 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 21:32.20 | TheMasterMind1 | make sure it umounted though |
| 21:32.24 | TheMasterMind1 | don't mkfs while its mounted |
| 21:32.32 | guised | how do i unmount it? |
| 21:32.39 | TheMasterMind1 | umount /dev/mmcda1 |
| 21:32.56 | guised | wow... that makes me feel stupid |
| 21:32.57 | guised | lol |
| 21:33.04 | TheMasterMind1 | its umount, not unmount :) |
| 21:33.44 | guised | is there anyway for me to check if the unmount was successful? |
| 21:34.48 | guised | wow |
| 21:34.58 | guised | that worked really fast |
| 21:35.47 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:35.51 | TheMasterMind1 | now just mount /mnt/card |
| 21:35.57 | TheMasterMind1 | then type mount |
| 21:36.05 | TheMasterMind1 | and check if it mounted with ext2 |
| 21:38.14 | guised | "/mnt/card type ext2" |
| 21:38.15 | guised | hehe |
| 21:38.18 | TheMasterMind1 | great |
| 21:38.19 | TheMasterMind1 | you're done |
| 21:38.24 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, also |
| 21:38.25 | guised | care to answer another question? |
| 21:38.32 | TheMasterMind1 | it'll be slow as crap |
| 21:38.38 | TheMasterMind1 | read the faq item on speeding it up |
| 21:38.52 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq.php?id=75 |
| 21:39.31 | guised | do you recommend doing this speed upgrade? |
| 21:39.39 | guised | it sounds like there's a little risk involved |
| 21:40.02 | TheMasterMind1 | if you don't, it'll be unbearably slow. like 500k in 5 minutes write speed |
| 21:40.12 | guised | oh god |
| 21:40.16 | TheMasterMind1 | and there's no risk as long as you eject the card and not just pull it out |
| 21:40.26 | TheMasterMind1 | you know, the little eject thing in the taskbar |
| 21:40.29 | guised | yep yep |
| 21:40.34 | TheMasterMind1 | or if you're in console, just umount before pulling it out |
| 21:40.39 | guised | cool |
| 21:40.49 | TheMasterMind1 | that's basically what that cardmon applet does |
| 21:40.52 | guised | im trying to make oz like the crow/flinders rom |
| 21:40.57 | RedBeard | has anyone gotten the serial port to work on the zaurus? |
| 21:40.57 | guised | so i dont plan on unmounting it |
| 21:41.07 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, there's a faq item on that too if you haven't read it |
| 21:41.13 | TheMasterMind1 | RedBeard: what do you mean? its always worked.. |
| 21:41.24 | guised | i saw it; planning on trying it |
| 21:41.58 | RedBeard | TheMasterMind1: I guess what I realy want to know, is if it's possible to build your own serial cable. |
| 21:42.17 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, afaik, no |
| 21:42.25 | RedBeard | bummer |
| 21:42.28 | TheMasterMind1 | that connector is really hard to get ahold of |
| 21:42.36 | TheMasterMind1 | and i think there's more involved than just wiring |
| 21:42.45 | RedBeard | brb |
| 21:42.46 | TheMasterMind1 | there's some basic electronic circuit needed too |
| 21:44.53 | guised | TheMasterMind1: ",sync" is supposed to be in fstab, right? |
| 21:45.03 | guised | nm |
| 21:45.06 | guised | found it |
| 21:45.08 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:46.03 | guised | TheMasterMind1: have you done the crow/flinders oz thing? |
| 21:46.12 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 21:46.15 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't see a need for it |
| 21:46.21 | guised | really? |
| 21:46.22 | TheMasterMind1 | i just install all my apps to the SD |
| 21:46.35 | TheMasterMind1 | so i have 3megs free on / |
| 21:46.46 | TheMasterMind1 | what rom did you install |
| 21:46.50 | guised | 32-0 |
| 21:46.59 | RedBeard | re |
| 21:47.10 | TheMasterMind1 | guised: alright. |
| 21:47.18 | TheMasterMind1 | guised: i don't think you need to do that stuff |
| 21:47.25 | TheMasterMind1 | just, whenever you install apps, install them to SD |
| 21:47.30 | TheMasterMind1 | either using ipkg -d sd |
| 21:47.33 | TheMasterMind1 | or via aqpkg |
| 21:47.38 | guised | TheMasterMind1: so was there any advantage to me making the sd ext2? |
| 21:47.50 | TheMasterMind1 | if you install from console using ipkg, then you should also run ipkg-link add packagename |
| 21:47.55 | TheMasterMind1 | guised: yes, that's needed for this too |
| 21:48.05 | TheMasterMind1 | guised: vfat doesn't support symlinks, ext2 does |
| 21:48.20 | guised | ohhhh |
| 21:48.23 | guised | so thats why i was having problems |
| 21:48.46 | TheMasterMind1 | basically, what openzaurus does is lets you install applications to SD and then symlinks them back onto the flash so all programs think they're installed on the flash, but they're on the SD |
| 21:49.41 | guised | why didn't i do this sooner... |
| 21:50.44 | guised | i'm having some trouble accessing my sd via ftp over the usb |
| 21:51.24 | jmhodges | aaah |
| 21:51.30 | jmhodges | guised: yeah youll have the same with cf cards |
| 21:51.36 | guised | i get a message saying that i dont have access to that folder |
| 21:51.50 | jmhodges | ok.. maybe not |
| 21:51.51 | jmhodges | :) |
| 21:51.51 | guised | jmhodges: is there a way i can fix this? |
| 21:52.03 | jmhodges | guised: well im just familiar with cf cards |
| 21:52.10 | jmhodges | so i dunno :( |
| 21:52.24 | TheMasterMind1 | configure: error: |
| 21:52.24 | TheMasterMind1 | *** These critical programs are missing or too old: gcc |
| 21:52.34 | jmhodges | theres one error thats from usb sending faster than the fs can be written too |
| 21:52.48 | TheMasterMind1 | jmhodges: heh, unstable dies a lot of times. stick with testing, its all you'll ever need. |
| 21:52.56 | jmhodges | coolie :-D |
| 21:55.47 | guised | ah |
| 21:55.49 | guised | i got it to work |
| 21:55.55 | guised | i hate WS_FTP Pro... |
| 21:56.03 | TheMasterMind1 | as do i |
| 21:56.05 | TheMasterMind1 | don't use it |
| 21:56.08 | TheMasterMind1 | smartftp is the wya to go |
| 21:56.11 | TheMasterMind1 | or winscp |
| 21:56.17 | guised | im using cuteftp right now |
| 21:56.23 | TheMasterMind1 | smartftp is better |
| 21:56.25 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 21:56.27 | guised | night |
| 21:56.47 | guised | TheMasterMind: got any recommendations for a mediaplayer? |
| 21:56.47 | guised | heh |
| 21:57.00 | TheMasterMind1 | guised: i hear op2 is nice. i prefer mplayer myself |
| 21:57.08 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.themastermind1.net/ipks for mplayer |
| 21:57.17 | TheMasterMind1 | http://openzaurus.sf.net/temp_downloads/ for op2 |
| 21:57.27 | TheMasterMind1 | install both :) |
| 21:57.39 | guised | i never understood how to use mplayer |
| 21:57.47 | TheMasterMind1 | its commandline |
| 21:57.51 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer filename |
| 21:57.58 | guised | thats all i have to do? |
| 21:58.01 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer -quiet filename actually |
| 21:58.04 | TheMasterMind1 | but that'll be fixed soon |
| 21:58.07 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 21:58.20 | guised | any plans for a gui? |
| 21:58.25 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 21:58.27 | TheMasterMind1 | there are plans |
| 21:58.41 | guised | does mplayer eat memory like op2? |
| 21:58.45 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 21:58.48 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer is awesome |
| 21:58.54 | TheMasterMind1 | it plays stuff amazingly |
| 21:59.06 | TheMasterMind1 | there's like 0 frame drops |
| 21:59.10 | TheMasterMind1 | its absolutely amazing |
| 21:59.11 | guised | now you've got me psyched |
| 21:59.34 | TheMasterMind1 | grab that fastandfurious clip on my server |
| 21:59.35 | guised | i actually was going to crow my z to see if that 3 megs improved op2 playback |
| 21:59.35 | guised | heh |
| 21:59.39 | TheMasterMind1 | you can see ever damn detail |
| 21:59.56 | TheMasterMind1 | guised: what 3 megs? |
| 22:00.19 | TheMasterMind1 | guised: also, the op2 on the link i just gave you is much better than the other ones out there |
| 22:00.23 | TheMasterMind1 | this is newer and a lot more optimized |
| 22:00.27 | guised | :-D |
| 22:00.33 | TheMasterMind1 | technically, it doesn't exist |
| 22:00.33 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:00.36 | guised | screw o chem |
| 22:00.57 | guised | its another zaurus night... |
| 22:01.25 | TheMasterMind1 | lol, i just blew off my physics stuff. i'll do it on the bus or something |
| 22:01.53 | guised | heh |
| 22:02.24 | guised | i really should have gotten into programming instead of doing those ap's last year... |
| 22:03.12 | guised | hmm |
| 22:03.32 | guised | i can't get op2 from that link |
| 22:03.34 | guised | interesting |
| 22:03.56 | TheMasterMind1 | what do you mean? |
| 22:03.59 | TheMasterMind1 | you can't use it as a feed |
| 22:04.18 | TheMasterMind1 | either one, you'll have to download the ipks and do it or use ipkg install http://... |
| 22:04.30 | TheMasterMind1 | or in your case, ipkg -d sd install http://... |
| 22:04.34 | TheMasterMind1 | and then ipkg-link add packagename |
| 22:04.43 | TheMasterMind1 | or easier, ipkg-link mount /mnt/card |
| 22:05.01 | guised | ah |
| 22:05.11 | TheMasterMind1 | that sets up your symlinks |
| 22:05.21 | *** join/#openzaurus mrz80 (~scotsman@n128-227-67-49.xlate.ufl.edu) |
| 22:06.08 | TheMasterMind1 | hey mrz80 |
| 22:06.49 | jmhodges | argh |
| 22:06.53 | jmhodges | i need floppies |
| 22:06.59 | jmhodges | no way am i wasting a cdr on this |
| 22:07.01 | jmhodges | whoops! |
| 22:07.03 | jmhodges | wrong chat |
| 22:07.08 | jmhodges | sorry OZ folks |
| 22:07.39 | mrz80 | "Floppies" Ah, the nostalgia :-) |
| 22:08.02 | jmhodges | dude i dont have a single one |
| 22:08.08 | jmhodges | nor do i have a cdrw |
| 22:08.18 | TheMasterMind1 | lol, how can you not have floppies! |
| 22:08.27 | jmhodges | cause i dont ever need them! |
| 22:08.29 | TheMasterMind1 | no driver disks? aol disks? dos disks? |
| 22:08.31 | TheMasterMind1 | nothing? |
| 22:08.37 | jmhodges | i use email for my data transfers! |
| 22:08.41 | jmhodges | dude im in a drom |
| 22:08.44 | mrz80 | I've got a machine in the closet that only *has* floppies |
| 22:08.51 | jmhodges | i left all nonessentials back at home |
| 22:09.02 | mrz80 | One each KayproII. Still boots! :-) |
| 22:09.06 | jmhodges | im 18 i have a floppy drive "just in case" |
| 22:09.08 | jmhodges | hehe mrz80 |
| 22:09.23 | TheMasterMind1 | jmhodges: go find someone who does have floppies |
| 22:09.38 | jmhodges | argh its 1212 not many are willing to help out a poor geek ;) but i can try! |
| 22:09.46 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, just go find the other geeks |
| 22:10.06 | TheMasterMind1 | damn, its 12:12, i should sleep |
| 22:10.07 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid ipkg.. |
| 22:10.19 | mrz80 | brb |
| 22:10.51 | *** join/#openzaurus mrz80 (~scotsman@n128-227-67-49.xlate.ufl.edu) |
| 22:11.14 | guised | TheMasterMind: thanks for the help |
| 22:11.17 | TheMasterMind1 | np |
| 22:11.26 | mrz80 | dangDangDANG... mucked up my xchat config... |
| 22:11.36 | TheMasterMind1 | i hate it when that happens |
| 22:12.06 | mrz80 | Meanwhile, I'm shopping for an 802.11 card that doesn't block the stylus and headphone jack. My wife's boss loaned me his Linksys and wants it back. |
| 22:12.10 | jmhodges | heheheh |
| 22:12.31 | TheMasterMind1 | mrz80: wcf12, netgear whatchamacallit, socket wlan are good choices |
| 22:12.32 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot wifi |
| 22:12.33 | | wifi is, like, see wireless or get either a wcf12 linksys for $62 shipped from buy.com (nice small card, well supported, but not too great on battery) or the socket low power wlan for 160 something plus shipping also on buy.com (great battery usage, needs special drivers) or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321502&loc=101 for $44 |
| 22:14.53 | mrz80 | Thanks |
| 22:14.54 | mrz80 | brb |
| 22:15.00 | mrz80 | again :-) |
| 22:15.41 | *** join/#openzaurus mrz80 (~scotsman@n128-227-67-49.xlate.ufl.edu) |
| 22:15.58 | mrz80 | THERE. That's better. Got my channel tabs back :-) |
| 22:16.00 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot no, wifi is see wireless or for a small compact non-port-blocking card, get one of these a) linksys wcf12 for only $65 shipped from buy.com b) netgear MA701NA for $65 shipped from buy.com c) socket LOW POWER wlan (amazing battery life) for $160 + shipping on buy.com |
| 22:16.00 | | TheMasterMind1: okay |
| 22:16.03 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot wifi |
| 22:16.04 | | [wifi] see wireless or for a small compact non-port-blocking card, get one of these a) linksys wcf12 for only $65 shipped from buy.com b) netgear MA701NA for $65 shipped from buy.com c) socket LOW POWER wlan (amazing battery life) for $160 + shipping on buy.com |
| 22:17.00 | *** join/#openzaurus scanline (~micah@aden2-230-dhcp.Colorado.EDU) |
| 22:18.01 | *** join/#openzaurus twiun_ (~twiun@81.5.129.62) |
| 22:20.08 | mrz80 | Time to stumble off in search of unconciousness... l8r all & thanks for the pointers, TMM1 |
| 22:20.13 | TheMasterMind1 | np |
| 22:20.17 | mrz80 | l8r |
| 22:21.09 | chouimat|Zzzz | hi mrpicogui^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hscanline |
| 22:21.28 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, aren't you supposed to be sleeping |
| 22:21.51 | scanline | heh |
| 22:21.52 | scanline | hi |
| 22:22.36 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: I was tweaking my compile farm |
| 22:23.59 | TheMasterMind1 | interesting |
| 22:25.26 | TheMasterMind1 | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/screenshots/00669_0.jpg |
| 22:30.39 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 22:31.02 | DaWorm | must have used a microdrive |
| 22:32.43 | *** join/#openzaurus vexation (obtix@hbge-216-222-232-195.dsl.hbge.epix.net) |
| 22:33.05 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 22:33.06 | TheMasterMind1 | not necessarily |
| 22:33.12 | TheMasterMind1 | 98lite/98micro are gerat |
| 22:33.16 | TheMasterMind1 | 98micro installs in 57megs |
| 22:36.47 | DaWorm | ohhhh |
| 22:36.48 | *** join/#openzaurus erikd (yodatoad@mke-24-160-245-48.wi.rr.com) |
| 22:36.55 | DaWorm | i havent heard of those |
| 22:47.49 | guised | goddamn |
| 22:48.23 | guised | i still can't symlink on my sd card using AQPkg |
| 22:48.55 | TheMasterMind1 | what's it say |
| 22:49.06 | TheMasterMind1 | some stuff just fails, ignore tht |
| 22:49.10 | TheMasterMind1 | it tries to symlink dirs sometimes |
| 22:49.42 | guised | hmm |
| 22:50.10 | guised | Could not open :/usr/lib/ipkg/info/codecs.list |
| 22:50.37 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:50.46 | TheMasterMind1 | might be a bad ipk. |
| 22:50.47 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno |
| 22:51.01 | guised | hmm |
| 22:51.04 | guised | you may be right |
| 22:53.30 | guised | ibot feed |
| 22:53.30 | | well, feed is a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
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| 22:58.14 | DaWorm | ayos umandar pati media player |
| 22:58.14 | TheMasterMind1 | w0000t |
| 22:58.14 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 22:58.21 | TheMasterMind1 | i just fixed an ipkg bug |
| 22:58.24 | TheMasterMind1 | the most annoying one of em all |
| 22:58.49 | jmhodges | DaWorm: eh? |
| 22:58.50 | jmhodges | :) |
| 22:58.56 | jmhodges | TheMasterMind1: thank you :) which one? |
| 22:58.57 | DaWorm | eeekkk |
| 22:59.00 | DaWorm | wrong channel |
| 22:59.02 | *** join/#openzaurus Xentac (~jchu@amga45cyy30x9.bc.hsia.telus.net) |
| 22:59.08 | DaWorm | my native tounge |
| 22:59.09 | DaWorm | :) |
| 22:59.11 | TheMasterMind1 | jmhodges: the one where ipkg upgrade doesn't work and installs new copies of stuff onto / |
| 22:59.26 | jmhodges | ooo what was the problem with that one? |
| 22:59.31 | jmhodges | er.. what was the problem in the code |
| 22:59.35 | guised | i just tried installing op2 and it failed to link every single .png |
| 22:59.47 | TheMasterMind1 | jmhodges: it just didn't check where the old one was installed. |
| 23:00.04 | TheMasterMind1 | i think i'm going to be working on ipkg now, since no one else wants to |
| 23:00.07 | jmhodges | aaaah |
| 23:00.15 | jmhodges | TheMasterMind1: please for the love of god do that |
| 23:00.19 | guised | got any advice? |
| 23:00.43 | TheMasterMind1 | guised: sounds bad. go to console and run df |
| 23:00.46 | TheMasterMind1 | how much space is left on / |
| 23:01.48 | guised | 13% |
| 23:02.06 | guised | 1940 blocks free on / |
| 23:02.12 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:02.14 | TheMasterMind1 | so that's not it |
| 23:02.32 | guised | im trying to install it to the SD using AQPkg |
| 23:02.44 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:02.51 | *** join/#openzaurus bbeattie (~bbeattie@cpe-66-1-180-69.ut.sprintbbd.net) |
| 23:02.53 | TheMasterMind1 | does it link some ofthe stuff properly? |
| 23:02.55 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: hey |
| 23:03.11 | bbeattie | what 2 items need to be removed from the fstab to fix the ext2 problems? I don't recall. |
| 23:03.18 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: 'lo :-) |
| 23:03.26 | guised | TheMasterMind1: it links everything but the .pngs |
| 23:03.37 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: just sync |
| 23:03.54 | TheMasterMind1 | guised: weird. might be that those pngs just don't exist but the ipkg says they do |
| 23:03.58 | TheMasterMind1 | that's probably it |
| 23:04.07 | TheMasterMind1 | try installing the opie2 skin ipk thats in the feed |
| 23:04.37 | *** topic/#openzaurus by TheMasterMind1 -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | ZAURUS | SEX | FUN | BEER | send those cool screenshots to ozshots@themastermind1.net | NEW! screenshots section finally added to website. send your submissions in today! | kergoth != psychic, kergoth = ass | TMM1 is now working on ipkg - bitch at him to fix bugs. 11/20 - fixed the ipkg upgrade bug |
| 23:05.00 | guised | the skins thats in unstable feed? gotcha |
| 23:05.05 | Xentac | TheMasterMind1: sweet... is that in unstable? |
| 23:05.17 | TheMasterMind1 | Xentac: will be tommorow |
| 23:05.20 | TheMasterMind1 | Xentac: i'm going to fix a couple more things and update it in the feed |
| 23:05.42 | Xentac | cool |
| 23:05.46 | Xentac | now I really am sleeping... |
| 23:05.49 | guised | its still failing to link the pngs... |
| 23:05.51 | Xentac | but first... some monkey island... |
| 23:05.53 | Xentac | ta ta |
| 23:05.57 | TheMasterMind1 | guised: just ignore it :) |
| 23:06.28 | guised | cool |
| 23:07.08 | TheMasterMind1 | You don't have permission to access /temp_downloads/opie-mediaplayer2_0.9.1-20021111_arm.ipk on this server. |
| 23:07.10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:07.10 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 23:07.13 | guised | yeah |
| 23:07.20 | guised | i got that message too |
| 23:07.22 | TheMasterMind1 | which one are you using |
| 23:07.56 | guised | im using the 20020905 feed |
| 23:08.05 | TheMasterMind1 | ick |
| 23:08.06 | TheMasterMind1 | don't |
| 23:08.09 | guised | really? |
| 23:08.10 | TheMasterMind1 | uninstall it :) |
| 23:08.18 | guised | and the codecs? |
| 23:08.25 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:08.34 | TheMasterMind1 | argh |
| 23:08.35 | TheMasterMind1 | or not |
| 23:08.37 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 23:08.43 | TheMasterMind1 | for some reason noda chmoded these 600 |
| 23:08.52 | TheMasterMind1 | you can use mplayer for now :) |
| 23:08.52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:08.59 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll sort this op2 thing out tommorow |
| 23:09.03 | guised | its funny you mention that |
| 23:09.12 | guised | is mplayer supposed to be able to play .mpg files |
| 23:09.13 | guised | heh |
| 23:09.20 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe... |
| 23:09.28 | TheMasterMind1 | depends on the codec. |
| 23:09.40 | TheMasterMind1 | the ipks probably don't have the codec you'd need |
| 23:09.49 | guised | where can i get more codecs? |
| 23:09.52 | TheMasterMind1 | you installed op2 just now right? |
| 23:10.04 | guised | i just uninstalled it, but yeah i can reinstall it |
| 23:10.04 | guised | heh |
| 23:10.12 | TheMasterMind1 | well, might as well try it out i guess |
| 23:10.15 | TheMasterMind1 | see if it works at all |
| 23:10.16 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 23:10.24 | TheMasterMind1 | this new one is a lot better though |
| 23:10.32 | guised | hows the framerate? |
| 23:10.45 | TheMasterMind1 | no clue. never used it. i use mplayer |
| 23:10.52 | TheMasterMind1 | but from what i hear, they fixed up the code a lot |
| 23:10.55 | TheMasterMind1 | loads of optimizing |
| 23:10.58 | guised | i was able to get it working for a little bit without the .png's.... it was really choppy |
| 23:11.01 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't eat up memory so much now |
| 23:11.06 | guised | thats good |
| 23:11.20 | guised | is there a place where i can get more codecs for mplayer? |
| 23:11.23 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, just wait until tommorow. i'll get these ipks out and try to work on mplayer and release some codec ipks for that |
| 23:11.27 | TheMasterMind1 | not at the moment |
| 23:11.34 | guised | ah |
| 23:11.51 | guised | thanx man |
| 23:11.55 | TheMasterMind1 | anytime |
| 23:12.10 | guised | its about time i hit the books |
| 23:12.15 | guised | see ya |
| 23:17.25 | jmhodges | ok im about to go to bed.. but no before installing deb |
| 23:36.10 | DaWorm | http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=1&jid=7E12783F4EF6AAE22388862A5AE75529&catalog=0§ionId=0&productType=2&platformId=9&productId=48196 |
| 23:36.12 | DaWorm | bwahahha |
| 23:36.21 | DaWorm | $30 for a reader? |
| 23:48.11 | paqan | heh, features : color. |
