| 00:00.00 | neale | noda, are you the oz website guy? |
| 00:00.45 | noda | neale: Yup |
| 00:00.45 | noda | TheMasterMind1 does stuff too :) |
| 00:00.45 | neale | try it :) |
| 00:02.21 | NightStar | When I put the toolchain in /usr/local/arm, what should I set my path to? |
| 00:02.21 | noda | Whee, what fun. |
| 00:02.21 | NightStar | /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin? |
| 00:02.21 | neale | PATH=/usr/local/arm/2.93.3/bin:$PATH |
| 00:02.21 | neale | er |
| 00:02.21 | noda | noda132@sc8-pr-shell1:/home/groups/o/op/openzaurus/htdocs/oz_website$ mysql -h mysql -u openzaurus -p openzaurus |
| 00:02.21 | noda | Enter password: |
| 00:02.21 | noda | ERROR 2003: Can't connect to MySQL server on 'mysql' (111) |
| 00:02.21 | neale | PATH=/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin:$PATH |
| 00:02.21 | noda | Nothing can be done about this... |
| 00:02.39 | neale | why is the entire site driven by mysql? |
| 00:02.46 | NightStar | I'm getting Make errors. |
| 00:02.54 | noda | Because. |
| 00:03.10 | neale | NightStar: join the club. |
| 00:03.10 | noda | This'll come back up in a couple of minutes I'm sure. |
| 00:03.10 | neale | noda: oh. |
| 00:03.42 | NightStar | make[2]: *** [/home/mhjack/OpenZaurus/buildroot/stamps/.ipkg-x86.binary] Error 1 |
| 00:03.42 | NightStar | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mhjack/OpenZaurus/buildroot/packages/ipkg-x86' |
| 00:05.50 | NightStar | make[1]: *** [packages/ipkg-x86] Error 2 |
| 00:05.50 | NightStar | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mhjack/OpenZaurus/buildroot' |
| 00:05.50 | NightStar | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 00:05.50 | neale | we need more than that |
| 00:05.50 | neale | that's just make saying "aborting due to error" |
| 00:05.50 | NightStar | Am I doing something wrong, or is there a problem with the bk source? |
| 00:05.50 | neale | paste more of the error |
| 00:05.50 | noda | You're doing something wrong. Paste the error message. |
| 00:05.50 | NightStar | cd /home/mhjack/OpenZaurus/buildroot/build/ipkg-x86/C; autoconf; |
| 00:05.50 | NightStar | autoconf: configure.in: No such file or directory |
| 00:05.50 | NightStar | make[2]: *** [/home/mhjack/OpenZaurus/buildroot/stamps/.ipkg-x86.binary] Error 1 |
| 00:05.50 | NightStar | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mhjack/OpenZaurus/buildroot/packages/ipkg-x86' |
| 00:05.50 | NightStar | make[1]: *** [packages/ipkg-x86] Error 2 |
| 00:05.50 | NightStar | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mhjack/OpenZaurus/buildroot' |
| 00:05.50 | NightStar | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 00:05.50 | neale | erhm |
| 00:05.50 | noda | make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg-x86 mrproper && make |
| 00:05.50 | neale | yeah do that :) |
| 00:05.50 | neale | I can't get past make configure ;) |
| 00:05.50 | noda | Seems like CVS didn't grab everything. |
| 00:05.52 | noda | neale: It's supposed to be "make config", that may help :) |
| 00:05.52 | NightStar | bk, not CVS. |
| 00:05.52 | neale | bison still pukes |
| 00:05.54 | neale | NightStar: it has to use CVS in the build |
| 00:05.59 | NightStar | I did a make oldconfig. |
| 00:06.23 | noda | NightStar: ipkg-x86 is taken from CVS. |
| 00:06.28 | neale | noda: what the heck version of bison are you fellows using, anyhow? |
| 00:06.32 | NightStar | Ah, ok. |
| 00:06.35 | noda | bk holds the buildroot. Each individual package has a specific source. |
| 00:06.46 | noda | neale: 1.75. |
| 00:07.01 | neale | maybe this new flex will do the trick |
| 00:07.01 | noda | neale: After upgrading be sure to make SUBDIRS=packages/whatever-it-is clean && make |
| 00:07.12 | noda | Actually I think the make clean doesn't do it. Make mrproper. |
| 00:07.24 | neale | that's the bison I have too. |
| 00:07.27 | noda | (for the specific SUBDIR) |
| 00:09.40 | noda | I've got flex 2.5.4. |
| 00:09.40 | noda | But I'm sure you just have to delete a certain file. |
| 00:09.40 | noda | And it tells you which file has the error, delete that one :) |
| 00:09.40 | neale | okay, that was next on the things to try :) |
| 00:09.40 | neale | woops, wrong one. |
| 00:09.40 | neale | ahhhh. |
| 00:10.30 | neale | you want to remove all the .tab.* files |
| 00:10.58 | neale | that forces make to rebuild them (using bison) |
| 00:11.24 | noda | right |
| 00:12.23 | neale | HOLY CRAP! |
| 00:12.28 | neale | MY OPTIONS ARE WORTH SOMETHING! |
| 00:12.48 | neale | I could cash out for... |
| 00:13.09 | neale | FIFTY BUCKS! |
| 00:13.19 | neale | man |
| 00:13.32 | neale | I could buy a FURBY with that! |
| 00:14.34 | noda | Wow. |
| 00:14.49 | noda | I've been putting money into mutual funds for the past year or so. So far I've lost a total of 8 dollars. |
| 00:14.59 | noda | Lucky mutual funds are low-risk! :) |
| 00:15.01 | neale | you're lucky |
| 00:15.07 | neale | I've lost a lot more than that. |
| 00:15.24 | noda | "lucky", heh. if I'd just done nothing I'd be 8 dollars richer. |
| 00:15.35 | neale | if you cashed out today. |
| 00:15.45 | noda | Yep |
| 00:15.59 | neale | so basically you have invested at a good time |
| 00:16.05 | noda | What do I care what my money's worth twenty years down the road. I'll have different money by then :) |
| 00:16.09 | neale | since you've bought while they were low. |
| 00:16.41 | neale | okay I have to finish this thing |
| 00:16.42 | neale | bbl |
| 00:16.46 | noda | I put in $100/month every month. So it's very stable-ish, see :) |
| 00:20.08 | ljp | scsi scsi scsi woot! |
| 00:20.43 | ljp | scsi wasi was a bear |
| 00:22.23 | ljp | ok.. see y'all on the flip side of a reboot to add a scsi cdr! woot! |
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| 00:40.24 | pez2001 | website is down? |
| 00:40.33 | pez2001 | or is my connection braindead? |
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| 00:43.50 | noda | Okay, I've temporarily disabled MySQL on openzaurus.org. Lots of stuff will be broken. |
| 00:44.18 | noda | Basically we have "Overview", "Why OZ?" and "Install Guide" :P |
| 00:47.19 | linuxgeek | anyone have opera ipk that actually works? I made one from the sharp rom but it won't work on oz3, it installs but won't open |
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| 00:54.48 | neale | I still can't get the damned chess program to compile |
| 00:54.57 | neale | now it needs a gajillion libraries. |
| 00:54.58 | Onyx4 | neale: knights? |
| 00:55.00 | neale | yea.h |
| 00:55.12 | Onyx4 | I got it compiled pretty easily |
| 00:55.24 | neale | Against OZ? |
| 00:55.26 | Onyx4 | yep |
| 00:55.45 | neale | I think that's my problem. I need a full OZ build. |
| 00:55.55 | neale | but it won't build with gcc 2.95 anymore. |
| 00:56.06 | Onyx4 | well I can always send you the ipk |
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| 00:56.23 | neale | you'd be my best friend if you did that. |
| 00:56.28 | Onyx4 | hehe |
| 00:56.32 | Onyx4 | you support dcc? |
| 00:56.38 | neale | I don't think so. |
| 00:56.45 | neale | try it, maybe I do. |
| 00:57.01 | neale | no, I don't. |
| 00:57.15 | neale | you can email to neale@woozle.org |
| 00:57.19 | Onyx4 | k |
| 00:57.26 | neale | thanks dude |
| 00:57.33 | neale | now I can work on that boot menu |
| 00:57.44 | neale | so TheMasterMind1 thanks you too ;) |
| 00:58.54 | Onyx4 | I compiled it originally with the sharp toolchain and opie |
| 00:58.58 | neale | ah |
| 00:59.07 | Onyx4 | but it works fine with OZ |
| 00:59.09 | neale | no, wait, that's what I have I think |
| 00:59.12 | neale | oh well |
| 00:59.25 | neale | I had to hack it up to get it to compile against the OZ toolchain |
| 00:59.28 | neale | and opie |
| 00:59.33 | neale | some of the classes changed |
| 00:59.39 | Onyx4 | possible yes |
| 00:59.46 | Onyx4 | depends on which rev of the source you got |
| 00:59.49 | neale | I'll keep my source around in case we want to put it in the build tree |
| 00:59.58 | Onyx4 | the one I had downloaded didn't work, I had to ask the author for his latest copy |
| 01:00.04 | neale | ahh. |
| 01:00.07 | Onyx4 | I still have the "good" source :) |
| 01:00.19 | neale | well that was probably it then, I just downloaded the one off his web page. |
| 01:00.28 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 01:00.29 | neale | You think he'd be averse to putting it in the build? |
| 01:00.47 | Onyx4 | we discussed it before, he wasn't much trilled about it which is why I haven't done it |
| 01:00.55 | neale | that's what I thought. |
| 01:00.58 | Onyx4 | but I could do it if needed, I've spent quite some time trying to make that thing build |
| 01:01.03 | neale | he wants to sell the binaries. |
| 01:01.09 | Onyx4 | right |
| 01:01.14 | neale | well, you could always fork it. |
| 01:01.26 | Onyx4 | we could put it in the buildroot but not enable it for the feed |
| 01:01.39 | neale | I think a chess program is the first thing I'm going to make when I switch to picogui. |
| 01:01.40 | Onyx4 | which means only people with the buildroot will get it |
| 01:01.46 | neale | that's not a bad idea |
| 01:02.12 | neale | I think that's probably in keeping with the author's intentions too |
| 01:02.22 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 01:02.29 | Onyx4 | it's a great game, I play it all the time |
| 01:02.38 | neale | I'm looking forward to it. |
| 01:02.50 | neale | I need something to keep track of my correspondence games |
| 01:02.54 | Onyx4 | I only included a small sample of the themes cause they take some space |
| 01:02.56 | neale | I'm like two months out on all my moves. |
| 01:03.02 | neale | I don't need themes, really. |
| 01:03.04 | Onyx4 | k |
| 01:03.05 | neale | but thanks :) |
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| 01:12.21 | Piete | yaaay, the first snow :D |
| 01:14.50 | Cloudchaser | hehe its going to snow here to |
| 01:14.53 | Cloudchaser | too |
| 01:14.57 | Cloudchaser | wednesday |
| 01:15.15 | Piete | its just very very light snow, but its only the second time in my life that I've seen snow :D |
| 01:15.23 | Cloudchaser | wow |
| 01:15.33 | Cloudchaser | i have a dopey newb question |
| 01:15.41 | Cloudchaser | i use gftp to ssh2 to z |
| 01:15.49 | Cloudchaser | i copy files over to z no problemo |
| 01:16.01 | Cloudchaser | but now i want to copy some files from the z to my pc |
| 01:16.09 | Cloudchaser | and run into some issues there ;) |
| 01:16.16 | Piete | why not use normal ftp? |
| 01:16.32 | Cloudchaser | could i guess |
| 01:16.57 | Cloudchaser | but..why can't i copy in the other direction if i initiate it from the pc? |
| 01:17.16 | Piete | I don't know,, I have never used ssh[2] to transfer files... |
| 01:17.30 | Piete | I just use ssh for well, ssh, and ftp for file transfers |
| 01:17.45 | Cloudchaser | ok i'll try that |
| 01:18.02 | Piete | I'm downloading the snow pictures from my digicam :) |
| 01:18.15 | Piete | I'll give you the link if any of them are worth seeing :) |
| 01:18.15 | Cloudchaser | i don't think i have ftp server up on z though |
| 01:18.30 | Piete | it runs by default |
| 01:18.34 | Piete | ftp to port 4242 |
| 01:18.49 | Cloudchaser | i knew that part :) |
| 01:18.55 | Cloudchaser | didn't know about oz and ftp though |
| 01:18.57 | Piete | just checking :P |
| 01:19.38 | Cloudchaser | oh right its the pw |
| 01:19.44 | Piete | rootme |
| 01:19.48 | Cloudchaser | :) thanks |
| 01:20.04 | Piete | I still think thats a weird pass, lol |
| 01:20.14 | Piete | damn, usb is so slow.. |
| 01:20.32 | Piete | esp when transfering 64MB of high res picture to a fat32 partition |
| 01:20.40 | Cloudchaser | doesn't seem to like that pw |
| 01:20.55 | Cloudchaser | oh hehe i had to allow it |
| 01:20.59 | Piete | you have to tap <allow> |
| 01:21.04 | Piete | ;) |
| 01:21.28 | Cloudchaser | oh bleh |
| 01:21.48 | Cloudchaser | now it don't like the LIST -aL |
| 01:22.48 | Cloudchaser | not quite sure how to shut that off in gFTP, but i knew there was a reason why i didn't use it |
| 01:22.54 | Cloudchaser | ljp you don't know the half of it |
| 01:23.03 | Cloudchaser | i have a killer headache |
| 01:23.23 | Cloudchaser | ipkg or aqpkg stinks big time |
| 01:23.27 | ljp | hmm, I'm sorry |
| 01:23.35 | Piete | I never could get gftp to work with the zaurus |
| 01:23.37 | Cloudchaser | and i'm hoping kergoth can help me figure it all out |
| 01:24.09 | Piete | I usualy use mc or just plain console ftp |
| 01:24.15 | ljp | gftp works aith the Z on my machine at work, but refuses to work on the two here at home. go figure |
| 01:25.59 | Piete | damn, you can't really see the snow in the pics :/ |
| 01:27.05 | Piete | anyway,, gtg :) |
| 01:27.23 | Cloudchaser | oops |
| 01:27.25 | Cloudchaser | bye |
| 01:28.47 | lsmith | argl ... i am overworked .. spending another night at the office ... yehaww |
| 01:28.51 | ljp | ahh scsi cdrom is at /dev/scd0 not /dev/sr0 |
| 01:29.11 | Cloudchaser | ok i'm going to have to set up samba i guess or nfs |
| 01:29.24 | Cloudchaser | and hopefully tomorrow kergoth can help me yet again |
| 01:30.06 | ljp | I have yet another job prospect.. :) |
| 01:30.24 | ljp | this ones more along my lines of experience.. Qt programming |
| 01:30.51 | Cloudchaser | wow that's greast ljp! |
| 01:30.56 | Cloudchaser | good luck with it |
| 01:31.06 | ljp | thanks.. I need it |
| 01:31.20 | Cloudchaser | is that guy for real in there? |
| 01:31.23 | ljp | I have two good references ;) |
| 01:31.29 | ljp | heh dunno |
| 01:32.17 | Cloudchaser | troll..he's just a troll |
| 01:32.35 | ljp | ya.. |
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| 01:38.14 | chouimat | who is }p0pe{ in #zaurus? |
| 01:38.27 | ljp | dont know. an idiot |
| 01:38.38 | chouimat | ljp: maybe |
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| 01:42.42 | Cloudchaser | chouimat: he's an ugly troll |
| 01:49.42 | ciao_linux | chouimat: what happened? a crash? |
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| 01:52.08 | ljp | akk! |
| 01:53.28 | }p0pe{ | who like sex? |
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| 01:54.11 | beattie | no wh's on first |
| 01:55.19 | chouimat | ciao_linux: nothing |
| 01:55.35 | chouimat | crissse pas lui icitte aussi !!!!!!! |
| 01:55.44 | ciao_linux | chouimat: ok... i thought you moved back to 2.5 |
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| 01:56.36 | chouimat | ciao_linux: I was hoping to get rid of a troll but it's here too :( |
| 01:57.13 | ciao_linux | chouimat: ammaziamolo! |
| 01:57.43 | chouimat | ciao_linux: huh? |
| 01:58.29 | ciao_linux | chouimat: well i dont know how to say that in french... |
| 01:59.32 | ljp | 2 of my home boxes have scsi! woot! |
| 01:59.55 | ljp | you there! back to work! |
| 01:59.56 | chouimat | ljp: and a troll in here |
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| 02:00.12 | chouimat | ok no more troll here |
| 02:00.15 | ljp | oh darn it |
| 02:00.16 | Cloudchaser | hehe good |
| 02:00.29 | ljp | hey he left zaurus also |
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| 02:00.48 | ljp | mmmm eggnog |
| 02:01.06 | mchouinar | mmmm trollfree irc |
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| 02:01.39 | mchouinar | brb tv |
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| 02:10.31 | ljp | heh good luck |
| 02:11.12 | chouimat | ljp: he does like it :( |
| 02:11.46 | ljp | wierd |
| 02:13.10 | chouimat | ljp: ? |
| 02:13.30 | ljp | cat liking claw trimmed |
| 02:14.27 | chouimat | ljp: I just wanted to test the process, he don't know how to use them so ... |
| 02:15.10 | chouimat | ljp: /s/does/doesn't |
| 02:15.33 | ljp | my cat likes to sit on my head |
| 02:15.56 | chouimat | ljp: mine follow me in every room I go |
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| 02:16.12 | ljp | me too, usually |
| 02:17.14 | chouimat | ljp: the contrairy of dominant is what in english? |
| 02:17.36 | ljp | submissive |
| 02:17.45 | ljp | ?? |
| 02:17.58 | chouimat | ljp: I have a very submissive cat |
| 02:19.08 | [PRiME] | does anyone know where I could get a cheap zaurus, probably 5000d? |
| 02:19.26 | Cloudchaser | where do you live? |
| 02:19.52 | ljp | www.zaurusvip.com I think |
| 02:19.58 | Cloudchaser | only if he's in US |
| 02:20.11 | ljp | oh poop thats stupid |
| 02:20.14 | [PRiME] | ah |
| 02:20.16 | [PRiME] | Canada |
| 02:20.37 | Cloudchaser | know anyone in us you can have it shipped to? |
| 02:20.37 | [PRiME] | *sniff* |
| 02:21.04 | [PRiME] | how much is that zaurusvip? |
| 02:21.04 | chouimat | [PRiME] do you know someone in the US? |
| 02:21.10 | [PRiME] | maybe |
| 02:21.13 | Onyx4 | I am in the US :) |
| 02:21.14 | Cloudchaser | 249.00 |
| 02:21.24 | [PRiME] | decent |
| 02:21.29 | Cloudchaser | won't get one much cheaper than that |
| 02:21.33 | [PRiME] | yeah |
| 02:21.49 | chouimat | [PRiME] buy it and send it to your american friend (and tell HIM to send it back to you, pay the shipping) |
| 02:21.53 | lsmith | 350 euros over here |
| 02:21.54 | ljp | must buy it before the 28th |
| 02:21.59 | [PRiME] | why? |
| 02:22.07 | Cloudchaser | thats when the deal ends |
| 02:22.07 | [PRiME] | 28th, why? |
| 02:22.11 | [PRiME] | oh |
| 02:22.16 | [PRiME] | hmm that makes sense |
| 02:22.17 | ljp | thats when that deal ends |
| 02:22.18 | Cloudchaser | also have your friend open it, so its used |
| 02:22.23 | Cloudchaser | and then avoid duty |
| 02:22.33 | [PRiME] | send it as a gift |
| 02:22.43 | [PRiME] | damn customs |
| 02:23.04 | chouimat | [PRiME] I know |
| 02:23.20 | [PRiME] | I paid like 200 on my laptop |
| 02:23.46 | [PRiME] | this is the 5500 |
| 02:23.52 | Cloudchaser | yep :) |
| 02:24.21 | [PRiME] | where is my promo code? |
| 02:24.47 | [PRiME] | I am so lame |
| 02:25.27 | chouimat | it's VS0002 i think |
| 02:25.36 | [PRiME] | where'd you get that |
| 02:26.40 | chouimat | [PRiME] je suis dans le secret des dieux |
| 02:27.44 | Onyx4 | they are probably gonna be selling 299$ at linuxexpo in new york |
| 02:27.47 | Onyx4 | if you wnat to drive there hehe |
| 02:28.11 | [PRiME] | chouimat - c'est quoi ca? |
| 02:28.33 | [PRiME] | I don't want to drive any where |
| 02:28.36 | ciao_linux | Onyx4: you mean the one in jan? |
| 02:28.41 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 02:28.45 | [PRiME] | january... |
| 02:28.55 | [PRiME] | I want my impulse shopping items now |
| 02:28.57 | Cloudchaser | anyone here going to that? |
| 02:28.59 | ciao_linux | Onyx4: do you know if it is free? (i mean to go there?) |
| 02:29.05 | ciao_linux | Cloudchaser: i think i will |
| 02:29.08 | Onyx4 | ciao_linux: it's like 10$ to get in or so |
| 02:29.10 | Cloudchaser | me too ;) |
| 02:29.14 | ciao_linux | Cloudchaser: i live in nyc |
| 02:29.17 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 02:29.19 | ciao_linux | Onyx4: ok. |
| 02:29.20 | Cloudchaser | i live in CT |
| 02:29.21 | Onyx4 | ciao_linux: and you can even find coupons to get in for free most of the time |
| 02:29.26 | Cloudchaser | take the train in ;) |
| 02:29.38 | ciao_linux | Onyx4: where? |
| 02:30.05 | Onyx4 | ciao_linux: not sure, you'd have to search the web |
| 02:30.15 | ciao_linux | Onyx4: ok... thanks for the hint |
| 02:30.17 | Onyx4 | most of the time you mention some codename and they let you in for free |
| 02:30.52 | Cloudchaser | ciao_linux: if you find it would you let me know? |
| 02:30.57 | Cloudchaser | i'm googling now for it |
| 02:31.13 | chouimat | fuck! I'm in quebec city ..... |
| 02:31.14 | ciao_linux | Cloudchaser: sure... and viceversa! :-) |
| 02:31.35 | Cloudchaser | not finding anything |
| 02:31.35 | ciao_linux | how about the conferences or the training... are you going there? |
| 02:31.43 | ciao_linux | that is much more expansive though |
| 02:31.52 | Cloudchaser | i'd like to...depends though |
| 02:31.55 | Cloudchaser | on how much |
| 02:32.02 | chouimat | ciao_linux: very expensive |
| 02:32.05 | ciao_linux | well i think that the training days is 300$ |
| 02:32.10 | ciao_linux | chouimat: i know... |
| 02:32.11 | [PRiME] | chouimat - how did you get your zaurus up here? |
| 02:32.24 | chouimat | [PRiME]sharp challenge |
| 02:34.54 | [PRiME] | I think I may have to eBay for one.. :( |
| 02:35.10 | Cloudchaser | 249.00 for a 5500 is good price..brand new too |
| 02:35.28 | ciao_linux | Cloudchaser: do you have any idea how long it will last? |
| 02:35.49 | [PRiME] | Cloudchaser - yeah but I'd have to get someone in the States |
| 02:35.56 | ciao_linux | sorry i have seen the answer... 28th |
| 02:36.26 | ciao_linux | [PRiME]: don't worry... send me a check... I will mail the Z to you eventually! :-) |
| 02:36.45 | chouimat | ciao_linux: I will got for the PS2 with the linux kit for my next toy purchase |
| 02:36.51 | chouimat | s/got/go |
| 02:37.08 | ciao_linux | playstation? |
| 02:37.12 | chouimat | yup |
| 02:37.19 | ciao_linux | how much is that? |
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| 02:37.42 | ciao_linux | i have heard of people installing debian on a xbox... pretty cool i guess |
| 02:37.42 | noda | Moo! |
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| 02:37.45 | chouimat | ciao_linux: last time I check the playstation is 229CDN$ and the linux kit is 199$US |
| 02:37.55 | [PRiME] | yeah there's linux on xbox |
| 02:38.03 | [PRiME] | mandrake I believe is what they use now |
| 02:38.10 | chouimat | ciao_linux: I have 5 pc here, no need for another one :) |
| 02:38.29 | ciao_linux | chouimat: 5 including the Z? |
| 02:38.35 | noda | linux on xbox is better (in concept) IMO because a) Microsoft loses money, and b) You have PC hardware without any abstraction layer. |
| 02:38.38 | chouimat | ciao_linux: no 5 intel |
| 02:38.51 | [PRiME] | Microsoft loses money if you don't buy an Xbox, too |
| 02:38.52 | ciao_linux | why microsoft loses money? |
| 02:39.06 | chouimat | ciao_linux: because teh xbox sucks |
| 02:39.07 | [PRiME] | they sell hardware at a loss |
| 02:39.15 | [PRiME] | the idea is that the software makes up for it |
| 02:39.16 | noda | Not as much as if you do |
| 02:39.17 | ciao_linux | i mean why ms loses money if you install linux on it |
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| 02:39.40 | noda | An xbox costs Microsoft a lot more than what they sell it for. One or two hundred dollars I think. |
| 02:39.51 | noda | So if you buy no games, they don't make back that money. |
| 02:39.53 | ciao_linux | really? how difficoult is to find craacked games? |
| 02:39.54 | chouimat | ciao_linux: and I want to learn a need cpu so I will got for the mips5900 |
| 02:40.02 | [PRiME] | you can rip your own games |
| 02:40.05 | [PRiME] | you need a modchip |
| 02:40.18 | [PRiME] | put them on the hard drive |
| 02:40.22 | [PRiME] | of course I have never done that |
| 02:40.24 | noda | [PRiME]: Go ahead. If you don't buy any real games, Microsoft loses money. |
| 02:40.24 | ciao_linux | well ok.. the same as the ps1 |
| 02:40.57 | [PRiME] | yeah except they have dvd... which means you might have to rip shit out |
| 02:40.57 | ciao_linux | anyway i already waiste my time with a lot of toys like the zaurus... i don't think i will ever have any of those |
| 02:41.18 | [PRiME] | I think most people swap the 10 gig HDD for a 120, then dump all their games there |
| 02:42.01 | ciao_linux | ok... chouimat, let me know when you buy the ps2... |
| 02:42.02 | noda | Hell, why not make an xbox emulator for the PC. It really can't be that hard. |
| 02:42.12 | [PRiME] | someone is... |
| 02:42.16 | [PRiME] | cxbx |
| 02:42.20 | ciao_linux | is there a ps2 emulator? |
| 02:42.25 | [PRiME] | not a good one |
| 02:42.28 | noda | They suck. |
| 02:42.31 | [PRiME] | I think it can play homebrew |
| 02:42.49 | ciao_linux | i thought most of the games for playstation could be played on the computer as well |
| 02:43.02 | [PRiME] | yeah you could get bleem |
| 02:43.03 | noda | Okay, whoever coded the cxbx site must have some pretty amazing eyesight. These fonts are .5pt :P |
| 02:43.31 | [PRiME] | :P |
| 02:43.36 | noda | ciao_linux: No, they can't unless you buy the PC versions. And not all xbox games have PC versions (since if they sold PC versions nobody would buy xbox games and so MS would make less money) |
| 02:43.44 | ljp | *yawn |
| 02:43.52 | noda | Exceptions are companies with lots of money, for example EA. |
| 02:44.12 | DaWorm | hmmm..i can change the xbox hd? |
| 02:44.32 | chouimat | and the ps2 cpu is better than the crapy one of the xbox |
| 02:44.44 | ciao_linux | noda: but how about a performance point of view? would it be the same? |
| 02:44.46 | noda | DaWorm: You'd have to check xbox underground sites. |
| 02:44.53 | DaWorm | ahhh |
| 02:45.17 | noda | ciao_linux: xbox uses a GeForce3, Celeron 733 or so and DirectX. So I think my GeForce4/1600+ would kick its ass. |
| 02:45.25 | noda | (First winex would have to support cxbx of course) |
| 02:45.45 | chouimat | ciao_linux: and the EmotionEngine is better than that |
| 02:45.56 | [PRiME] | DaWorm: yes |
| 02:45.59 | ciao_linux | celeron 733... really? i thought much better |
| 02:46.07 | noda | nope |
| 02:46.29 | noda | The GeForce is where it gets its power. |
| 02:46.30 | chouimat | noda: ? |
| 02:46.41 | noda | chouimat: "nope" was for ciao_linux :) |
| 02:47.01 | [PRiME] | audio... what's the point of mp3 on zaurus unless you have microdrive? |
| 02:47.14 | ciao_linux | anyway since we are in the topic... when i was in the amd expo, there was a game: a guy excaped from prison and he needs to go to Mario for some missions, driving like crazy and stealing cars to the people... does anyone know this game? |
| 02:47.21 | chouimat | noda: ok a 300Mhz 64bits CPU is better than a 733Mhz 32bit one |
| 02:47.27 | noda | [PRiME]: I've got a 256MB SD card. With oggs you can fit at least 7 CD's worth at decent quality. |
| 02:47.45 | noda | chouimat: Cooler maybe, dunno about faster :) |
| 02:47.57 | ciao_linux | chouimat: i am using a sparc ultra 5... but i am not sure it is better than my pc at home... :-) |
| 02:48.11 | DaWorm | yeah, you can put a lot of stuff in 256mb |
| 02:48.24 | noda | I fit Fellowship of the Rings Special Extended Edition on it :) |
| 02:48.31 | noda | Well it and my 64MB CF card. |
| 02:48.37 | chouimat | noda: it's faster, the ps2 cpu is optimized for that ... |
| 02:48.52 | noda | chouimat: Optimized for what... games? |
| 02:49.22 | ciao_linux | noone knows that game? |
| 02:49.42 | chouimat | noda: heavy computation aka games |
| 02:49.57 | ciao_linux | ok... need to go home... otherwise my wife will kick my ass! :-) |
| 02:50.02 | ciao_linux | good night ppl |
| 02:50.07 | noda | night |
| 02:50.21 | DaWorm | night |
| 02:50.25 | chouimat | ciao_linux bye |
| 02:50.30 | [PRiME] | night |
| 02:50.49 | noda | chouimat: cool. I doubt it's anywhere near as fast as my desktop though. |
| 02:51.42 | chouimat | noda: no. just search about the mips5900 :) |
| 02:52.41 | [PRiME] | noda: you fit a whole movie on 256 megs? |
| 02:52.54 | noda | [PRiME]: yep. divX :) |
| 02:53.00 | [PRiME] | oh yeah |
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| 02:53.19 | [PRiME] | I guess it didn't have to be good quality... on a small screen |
| 02:53.23 | chouimat | noda: sorry 128bits |
| 02:53.29 | noda | Shitty quality though -- it's 3 and a half hours long ffs |
| 02:53.46 | [PRiME] | ah |
| 02:54.01 | ljp | *yawn |
| 02:54.03 | noda | Yeah, at great quality a 2-hour-long movie is 300 meg or so |
| 02:54.23 | HMS | ljp: g'evening |
| 02:54.26 | [PRiME] | wow... that's... possible |
| 02:54.38 | [PRiME] | portable movies yum |
| 02:54.51 | noda | especially widescreen - fewer pixels,. |
| 02:55.17 | DaWorm | drains the battery though |
| 02:55.28 | [PRiME] | ah yeah |
| 02:55.30 | noda | I've never had battery problems. |
| 02:55.42 | [PRiME] | plus I am probably gonna have wireless card in there |
| 02:55.56 | noda | I've never watched a full movie of course, but I feel quite confident a 2-hour-long movie would play to completion on a full battery. |
| 02:56.01 | noda | [PRiME]: In the SD slot? Impossible :) |
| 02:56.13 | [PRiME] | no I mean battery life |
| 02:56.14 | [PRiME] | lol |
| 02:56.21 | noda | Oh, right :) |
| 02:56.30 | noda | Only put it in when you need it :) |
| 02:57.49 | DaWorm | "proof of concept" |
| 02:57.49 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 02:57.56 | chouimat | noda: http://ntsrv2000.educ.ualberta.ca/nethowto/examples/m_ho/ps2eengine.html |
| 02:58.20 | [PRiME] | yeah but what I mean was... I'll be draining it as it is |
| 02:58.26 | [PRiME] | between work and home with WiFi |
| 02:58.50 | [PRiME] | it's probably going to have little battery |
| 02:59.05 | [PRiME] | say... how much life do you guys get? |
| 02:59.23 | noda | I play oggs and read a book for around 5 hours, battery on dim (there's the rub: battery on dim) |
| 02:59.29 | noda | Er, not battery, light. |
| 02:59.39 | noda | light. light. Right... I can't think today. (Seeing Girl tomorrow) |
| 02:59.40 | chouimat | [PRiME] depend. one or three chicks a month :) |
| 02:59.52 | chouimat | noda: did you see the page? |
| 02:59.57 | noda | chouimat: Which page? |
| 03:00.01 | noda | Oh, right, looking now |
| 03:00.53 | noda | Looks pretty neat |
| 03:01.37 | noda | Hey... considering the powerful floating point capabilities of this processor... would it be useful in certain incredibly processor-intensive non-game-oriented applications? |
| 03:02.01 | noda | Such as... well, okay, NOT, but something like cracking encryption algorithms... |
| 03:02.14 | ljp | oh I just love when thing work differently on the zaurus |
| 03:02.40 | chouimat | noda: check the ps2 vs pc links |
| 03:03.04 | chouimat | noda: its a CPU |
| 03:03.08 | noda | Okay |
| 03:03.56 | chouimat | noda: the 300Mhz EE is 2 time faster than the PIII/733 |
| 03:04.17 | noda | Hey, what about... DivX encoding! That takes FP insanity, right? |
| 03:04.36 | chouimat | noda: yes |
| 03:05.11 | [PRiME] | ps2 has no hard drive built in... |
| 03:05.13 | chouimat | noda: it's for task like full-lenght video |
| 03:05.17 | noda | There are some programs that let you rip DVD's and then hand the encoding over to another (ideally dedicated) computer. having a network of PS2's could be helpful. |
| 03:05.32 | DaWorm | duh..tkc apps are getting slower and slower |
| 03:05.36 | noda | [PRiME]: The Linux kit comes with a hard drive of sorts I think. And video encoding can be done over nfs/coda/samba/whatever anyway. |
| 03:05.45 | [PRiME] | oh yeah |
| 03:05.47 | chouimat | [PRiME] I know but the linux kit came with a keyboard,mouse,vga adapter and a 40GB HD |
| 03:06.00 | [PRiME] | that's pretty clever |
| 03:06.08 | noda | 40GB? *I* don't even have a 40gb hard drive :( |
| 03:06.28 | chouimat | [PRiME] I did the math: a PS2 with the linux kit is about 540$ CDN |
| 03:06.51 | ljp | I have a 20mb hard drive |
| 03:06.54 | noda | chouimat: !!! |
| 03:06.57 | noda | ibot slashdot |
| 03:07.09 | noda | chouimat: Spielberg + Tintin! |
| 03:07.27 | [PRiME] | Tintin! |
| 03:07.35 | chouimat | noda: the !!! was for tintin? |
| 03:07.37 | noda | Live-action Tintin... |
| 03:07.38 | noda | chouimat: Yes |
| 03:07.55 | chouimat | noda: I will get that stuff in january :) |
| 03:07.58 | [PRiME] | Live action Tintin! |
| 03:07.59 | noda | :) |
| 03:08.01 | [PRiME] | WOOOHOOO |
| 03:08.12 | [PRiME] | I hope they get as funny a looking guy as the cartoon |
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| 03:08.51 | noda | I can't wait! I can't wait! How many days left... 23? |
| 03:09.13 | t--f-c | massive? |
| 03:09.27 | noda | The technology used to put thousands of CG people on the screen at once in LOTR. |
| 03:09.33 | noda | And have them bash each other's heads in. |
| 03:10.23 | DaWorm | thats awesome |
| 03:10.43 | noda | They put so much effort into LOTR. And it really, REALLY shows. |
| 03:11.06 | DaWorm | too bad its only 3 books |
| 03:11.07 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:11.10 | t--f-c | yeah, just got the extended collector's edition with little place holders last week |
| 03:11.23 | noda | t--f-c: Pretty awesome, eh? That extra stuff is sweet :) |
| 03:11.28 | t--f-c | watched last night, very cool... watched the appendixes last week, very cool |
| 03:11.53 | Cloudchaser | looks like adavance tickets to linuxworld are free |
| 03:11.56 | Cloudchaser | 30.00 at the door |
| 03:11.58 | chouimat | noda: Massive? |
| 03:12.01 | t--f-c | where is it at? |
| 03:12.04 | t--f-c | LW I mena |
| 03:12.05 | t--f-c | mean |
| 03:12.07 | Cloudchaser | nyc |
| 03:12.08 | noda | chouimat: <noda> The technology used to put thousands of CG people on the screen at once in LOTR. |
| 03:12.10 | t--f-c | damn |
| 03:12.27 | noda | lw? |
| 03:12.39 | Cloudchaser | linux world expo |
| 03:12.51 | noda | Oh, whoops, totally missed that :) |
| 03:13.10 | chouimat | noda ok |
| 03:14.07 | [PRiME] | do you guys actually use the Zaurus as a "PDA" or just a geek tool? |
| 03:14.14 | noda | Both |
| 03:14.16 | t--f-c | you know after all those /. posts about it should remember the name of it |
| 03:14.18 | Cloudchaser | i use mine |
| 03:14.22 | DaWorm | both |
| 03:14.27 | DaWorm | work/home/play |
| 03:14.29 | ljp | I use both of mine.. both ways |
| 03:14.37 | noda | I've got 10 items on my TODO list and without opie's calendar I'd be a wreck. But I play games on it and put movies on just to say I put movies on it. |
| 03:14.42 | ljp | so, basically, I have 4 zaurus.. :) |
| 03:14.54 | [PRiME] | :P |
| 03:15.07 | [PRiME] | yeah I am terribly organized |
| 03:16.09 | noda | Holy crap, they've made special software to map out characters' brains :) |
| 03:16.23 | noda | up to 350 separate actions and 8000 behavioral logic nodes. |
| 03:17.09 | DaWorm | sounds like a video game |
| 03:17.10 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:17.13 | [PRiME] | hopefully I can go to work, get notes on what to do, grab all the files, use it to show the boss, use VNC to fix something if it's wrong... there's no problem with this |
| 03:17.23 | noda | Games are nowhere NEAR that comple. |
| 03:17.25 | noda | complex. |
| 03:17.40 | DaWorm | true |
| 03:17.51 | DaWorm | but you can have a damn good ai with that stuff |
| 03:18.03 | noda | This is the kind of thing that would take realtime CPU on a single desktop. And they have 50,000 of these guys on-screen at once :P |
| 03:18.11 | [PRiME] | the best games are simple, anyway |
| 03:18.52 | noda | Then add to that the *rendering*... I can't even begin to fathom how many polygons are here, but probably more than any other complex digital artwork out there (barring stupid stuff like high-polygon spheres) |
| 03:20.30 | chouimat | noda: 610 bucks for a ps2 with linux |
| 03:20.42 | noda | That's a lot of money. But a PS2 is a nice toy. I've got one. |
| 03:20.56 | chouimat | noda: 299$ |
| 03:21.00 | noda | Yep |
| 03:21.11 | noda | I paid $450 or so for mine of course. Bought it the same day I saw LOTR :) |
| 03:21.24 | noda | Man, THAT was a cool day. I was the first one in line :) |
| 03:21.28 | t--f-c | love my PS2, grand turismo, SoF2 keep me busy for plenty of time |
| 03:22.12 | noda | Oh my. Apparently in The Two Towers one of the characters answers a cell phone in the middle of fighting... |
| 03:22.13 | [PRiME] | why not get an xbox + modchip for like $350 cdn? |
| 03:22.24 | [PRiME] | cell phone?? |
| 03:22.35 | [PRiME] | wtf |
| 03:23.53 | t--f-c | hehe.... good luck, actually all the WETA ppl are pretty lucky |
| 03:23.55 | noda | Man, *climbing ladders*... |
| 03:23.59 | noda | Yeah, I'll say! |
| 03:24.03 | [PRiME] | I like my lazy job |
| 03:24.04 | noda | That's a dream job for sure. |
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| 03:24.15 | noda | I like no job but it doesn't make much money. |
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| 03:24.23 | noda | I'd prefer to work for WETA than have no job. |
| 03:24.33 | [PRiME] | I have a job... it's just I don't do too much |
| 03:24.53 | [PRiME] | that's the life for me |
| 03:25.19 | caffeinex36 | fun. |
| 03:25.23 | noda | Uh-oh... The final battle (in Return of the King) apparently has more than 100,000 characters. |
| 03:25.59 | [PRiME] | ack |
| 03:28.56 | t--f-c | damn... cool though, of course computation power behind all of that is a kick, weren't they selling the servers they used for FotR on Ebay? |
| 03:29.01 | chouimat | noda: lotr? I wasn't able to finish the novel (boring) but the Silmarillion is way better |
| 03:30.21 | Lakay | silmarillion is way better i agree |
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| 03:33.19 | chouimat | hi scanline |
| 03:33.27 | scanline | hi chouimat |
| 03:33.27 | chouimat | noda: ps2hacking.sf.net :) |
| 03:34.20 | t--f-c | is Silmarillion really better? I have it slated as one of my christmas read |
| 03:34.45 | chouimat | t--f-c: yes, very very very very much better |
| 03:35.03 | DaWorm | way better |
| 03:35.32 | chouimat | I also found unfinished tales better than the lotr |
| 03:36.04 | DaWorm | i enjoyed reading farmer giles of ham |
| 03:36.05 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:36.08 | t--f-c | hrm... cool, between silmarillion and applied cryptography should keep me reading |
| 03:37.02 | chouimat | anyone can explain me the Tom Bombardil thing ... |
| 03:37.33 | noda | Wow. Started this project at 8:00. Then was talking with Girl, eating supper, fooling around here, watching a movie someone sent me... still don't have a thesis :) |
| 03:37.49 | DaWorm | hehe..i already forgot..i was still a freshman when i read that |
| 03:38.06 | chouimat | noda: thesis about what? |
| 03:38.16 | noda | Translated book, "100 Years of Solitude" |
| 03:38.33 | chouimat | noda: yurk! |
| 03:39.09 | noda | You've heard of it? |
| 03:40.29 | [PRiME] | just say it's a great book |
| 03:40.41 | t--f-c | hehe |
| 03:40.49 | noda | lol, I actually have to write something about it. |
| 03:40.50 | noda | Who's read it? |
| 03:40.55 | [PRiME] | not me |
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| 03:43.46 | [PRiME] | "He was alone for a very, very long time." |
| 03:43.51 | noda | ROFL |
| 03:43.52 | t--f-c | hehe |
| 03:44.08 | t--f-c | or maybe about how it goes around and tells all these fscked up vignettes |
| 03:45.35 | noda | At the end of the book this guy reads all the stuff that happened for the past 100 years... but it's written as if it were all the same day. i.e., what happened at 1:00 AM, 2:00 AM, etc... |
| 03:45.37 | noda | Freaky. |
| 03:45.52 | [PRiME] | "It was a long day indeed." |
| 03:46.04 | [PRiME] | I've written half your thing here |
| 03:46.13 | noda | I need 500 words. |
| 03:46.22 | [PRiME] | 10 is half of 500 |
| 03:46.23 | noda | Worth 30% of the mark. I think I can get 100%. |
| 03:46.33 | [PRiME] | 30% |
| 03:46.37 | [PRiME] | I'll stop talking |
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| 03:47.07 | lsmith | ok ... i have deinstalled pcmcia-cs (thinking i dont need it) |
| 03:47.13 | lsmith | i dont have a cf or sd writer |
| 03:48.06 | chouimat | noda: author? |
| 03:48.26 | noda | chouimat: Gabrial Garcia Marquez. It's Spanish. |
| 03:48.35 | [PRiME] | do you guys use Opera or Konqueror (on Z) |
| 03:48.42 | lsmith | hmm wait a second |
| 03:49.04 | noda | Konqueror. |
| 03:49.15 | chouimat | noda: since I don't like here I will not read it :) |
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| 03:50.05 | [PRiME] | why Konqueror? |
| 03:50.08 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 03:50.14 | WormLunch | konqueror |
| 03:50.25 | noda | because it's not a hassle. |
| 03:50.29 | noda | It works. |
| 03:50.30 | [PRiME] | oh |
| 03:50.41 | [PRiME] | I guess I should get a zaurus before hassling you guys |
| 03:50.45 | *** join/#openzaurus prpplague (~joebob@21-190.lctv-b4.cablelynx.com) |
| 03:51.05 | noda | Yeah, get one! They're only $250 or something :) |
| 03:51.39 | [PRiME] | I have no friends in the States |
| 03:51.48 | *** join/#openzaurus beattie (~beattie@dsl093-039-041.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 03:51.49 | [PRiME] | that I would trust with it |
| 03:51.53 | [PRiME] | O_o |
| 03:52.26 | [PRiME] | I am thinking of eBaying for it |
| 03:52.51 | *** join/#openzaurus myuu (~luke@0-2pool210-16.nas3.bismarck1.nd.us.da.qwest.net) |
| 03:54.29 | lsmith | ok ... since that did not work ... here my question |
| 03:54.51 | lsmith | if i re-flash does it need anything working on the zaurus? |
| 03:55.07 | lsmith | besides the initrd.bin and zImage |
| 03:55.18 | noda | That's all you need to flash, the initrd and the zimage. |
| 03:55.25 | lsmith | my OZ is pretty broken |
| 03:56.15 | lsmith | ok .. then that is my solution |
| 03:57.00 | lsmith | anyone used the hancom creator script on the german version? |
| 03:57.06 | myuu | strategic assault is so damn fun |
| 03:57.12 | lsmith | probably nobody that is still awake for sure |
| 03:57.20 | myuu | heard it works lsmith |
| 03:57.24 | lsmith | k |
| 03:57.38 | lsmith | hmm i think then i will go back to the sharp from briefly :-) |
| 03:57.41 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: there was a guy with the nick aman or amam on earlier that is doing the mplayer portion of the xmms-embedded stuff. The version he did doesn't apear to have the optimization. If you see him, you may want to talk with him, or worth with him. Using xmms as a front end to mplayer looks like a really good thing. (I personally got rid of opie media2, since I've been streaming ogg none-stop for about 3 hours now. |
| 03:57.48 | myuu | i think there was some dicussion at the zz boards |
| 03:58.03 | lsmith | bbeattie: as far as i know aman = TheMasterMind1 :-) |
| 03:58.48 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: is this true? |
| 03:59.00 | *** join/#openzaurus hunger__ (foobar@pD9ED7F5D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 04:02.26 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, that's me |
| 04:02.30 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm aman gupta |
| 04:02.50 | TheMasterMind1 | themastermind1 = aman = agupta |
| 04:02.59 | lsmith | :-) |
| 04:04.44 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: Do I pass the bugs I've been having on to you? |
| 04:04.59 | bbeattie | or are they all known? :-) |
| 04:05.55 | TheMasterMind1 | well, i just talked to the xmms-embedded guy last night, haven't had a chance to work on anything yet. we're going to combine the work Onyx4 and I did on making mplayer fast with the frontend that he worked on so we'll end up with a kickass player that we can include in the OZ feeds |
| 04:06.37 | noda | Why not concentrate efforts? Couldn't you make mplayer codecs into libraries for use with OpiePlayer2? |
| 04:06.48 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 04:06.58 | noda | Yes, but why not? |
| 04:07.04 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 04:07.06 | [PRiME] | bah = good argument |
| 04:07.08 | TheMasterMind1 | op2 is all xine based |
| 04:07.10 | noda | Why have 2 projects that do the exact same thing? |
| 04:07.25 | TheMasterMind1 | because they're based on different engines |
| 04:07.32 | noda | TheMasterMind1: A "wrapper" codec... that isn't beyond believability I'm sure... |
| 04:07.38 | TheMasterMind1 | go away |
| 04:07.39 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 04:07.42 | noda | lol |
| 04:08.01 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: *nod* the problems I've had (besides codecs.conf in the wrong place) is displaying of video is, well, bad. Some doesn't show up at all, just wiggles the xmms app around and blanks, etc. But there's 3 or so different "reactions" based on what mpg or mov I play. Sound isn't working with the current one (Mplayer pre10 works well though, just not the ipkg for xmms) |
| 04:08.02 | noda | Sucks, that's all. I know that the end result is that I personally will need two programs on my computer to do everything since neither will do everything perfectly. |
| 04:08.22 | noda | s/computer/zaurus/ |
| 04:08.25 | TheMasterMind1 | but mplayer is perfect.. i dunno what you're talking about |
| 04:08.55 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: yea sounds like all the stuff we battled with. i'm going to send him my compile options in just a sec.. do you know if it just uses an mplayer binary or what? |
| 04:09.01 | myuu | gonna have to agree with TMM1 |
| 04:09.10 | neale | boo |
| 04:09.26 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: it looks like that's all it does. |
| 04:09.43 | noda | TheMasterMind1: And have you done benchmarks with mplayer and the xine codecs/op2 from openzaurus.org/temp_downloads? They have done lots of asm work on their codecs. |
| 04:09.51 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: seaking does work somewhat, not perfectly. |
| 04:10.03 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: ok, have you tried replacing his binary with the one we made |
| 04:10.06 | TheMasterMind1 | that would be interesting |
| 04:10.14 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: doing benchmark would be fun |
| 04:10.20 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll try that someday |
| 04:10.45 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: won't work, xmms is using a library wrapper with a hardcoded path it looks like, I did try to do that, but no luck. |
| 04:11.00 | TheMasterMind1 | library wrapper? |
| 04:11.11 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, i think what he did was create an input plugin for xmms |
| 04:11.15 | bbeattie | I should have said a plugin library wrapper. |
| 04:11.17 | TheMasterMind1 | that just ran mplayer |
| 04:11.37 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, so can't you just install our mplayer then move the binaries into the place he wants it? or just symlink it |
| 04:11.44 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: runs mplayer and also keeps track of seaking. |
| 04:12.02 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: That would work actually. |
| 04:12.02 | TheMasterMind1 | oh nice, seeking is good |
| 04:12.11 | neale | AUGH! |
| 04:12.26 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: and his mplayer has support for ogg and stuff, or is supposed to anyway |
| 04:12.27 | neale | I think I just lost everything |
| 04:12.42 | TheMasterMind1 | i think we'll be better off by statically compiling in ogg and vorbis and stuff.. |
| 04:12.49 | neale | I just lost everythin. |
| 04:12.57 | TheMasterMind1 | neale: ick, what happened? |
| 04:13.09 | neale | well, I've always had problems with this MMC |
| 04:13.20 | neale | when I power on I have to umount then mount it, or it's just garbage |
| 04:13.36 | neale | so I installed knights without looking to see if it umounted, and I guess it didn't, because it blew away the FAT |
| 04:13.40 | neale | at least, that's what it looks like. |
| 04:13.47 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: What he may want to look at, is if mplayer does ogg/mp3, everything, he could remove ogg/mp3/shn/wav/mod/etc from xmms, so there arn't duplicate abilities. |
| 04:13.47 | neale | maybe I should just reformat. |
| 04:14.34 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: yea, i think we're going to just turn it into a frontend with mplayer as the backend |
| 04:14.45 | TheMasterMind1 | that's basically what its going to become |
| 04:15.59 | neale | so it goes. |
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| 04:16.48 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: Although mplayers ogg streaming is not good. |
| 04:17.09 | TheMasterMind1 | Actually, I was planning to move away from xmms, and incorporate the |
| 04:17.09 | TheMasterMind1 | gui into mplayer - mplayer has a more advanced and flexible architecture. |
| 04:17.09 | TheMasterMind1 | But before this is done, I want to make an xmms input plugin wrapper |
| 04:17.09 | TheMasterMind1 | for mplayer, and than there will be no media file it can not play. |
| 04:17.12 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: I've been able to have an ogg stream going for 3+ hours now, but mplayer streaming ogg on desktop or zaurus can't handle "song change" |
| 04:17.14 | TheMasterMind1 | that's what he said |
| 04:17.37 | neale | you want know what *I* want? |
| 04:17.39 | neale | of course you do. |
| 04:17.49 | neale | I want a very lightweight front-end to ogg123 and mpg321 |
| 04:17.52 | neale | the end |
| 04:18.06 | TheMasterMind1 | "konsole" |
| 04:18.10 | neale | yeah |
| 04:18.18 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: I would stay with his ogg (and maybe mp3 code) until mplayer fixes theirs, which may be a while. |
| 04:18.19 | neale | but something that I can use the arrow button thingy with |
| 04:18.27 | WormLunch | freakin lighthouse family cd wont even play on linux |
| 04:18.28 | WormLunch | grrr |
| 04:18.29 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: ok |
| 04:18.32 | neale | maybe I should just write a shell script |
| 04:18.43 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, that would work |
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| 04:18.57 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: tell me how it goes with our mplayer binaries |
| 04:20.17 | [PRiME] | is there any good cheap store that ships to Canada? (ie. not zaurusvip) |
| 04:20.28 | Onyx4 | buy.com |
| 04:21.11 | noda | [PRiME]: I used PCConnection. Wasn't that cheap. |
| 04:21.31 | noda | No, wait, actually I used another place. It's in the Zaurus FAQ. "J&M" or something. They offered free shipping since I found a better price at PCConnection. |
| 04:21.38 | neale | so ext2 isn't too quick, but it's also not too slow. |
| 04:21.46 | noda | neale: No, not of sync is off. |
| 04:21.48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, yea |
| 04:21.55 | TheMasterMind1 | minix is fast |
| 04:21.57 | TheMasterMind1 | i like |
| 04:22.03 | TheMasterMind1 | but the stupid 64mb limit pisses me off |
| 04:22.11 | neale | 64mb file size limit? |
| 04:22.17 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: (in addition on ogg, mplayer on my desktop runs about 10 seconds lagged from the zaurus due to mplayer have an inferior buffer. |
| 04:22.20 | neale | do we know what's causing ext2 to be so slow? |
| 04:22.20 | lsmith | why doesnt this dipshit qtopia see my zaurus |
| 04:22.21 | chouimat | fuck! i completely forgot that |
| 04:22.46 | chouimat | neale: ext2 use memory on the desktop (mmap and so on) |
| 04:22.47 | [PRiME] | buy.com isn't cheap |
| 04:22.57 | Onyx4 | wasn't it 339? |
| 04:23.03 | noda | neale: Yes, it's on the FAQ. |
| 04:23.05 | neale | hunh?! |
| 04:23.07 | neale | ah |
| 04:23.09 | neale | ha ha |
| 04:23.20 | [PRiME] | Onyx - it's 399 |
| 04:23.26 | Onyx4 | they raised it then |
| 04:23.27 | neale | I see the faq is baq |
| 04:23.30 | Onyx4 | they had it cheap for a while |
| 04:23.31 | [PRiME] | I think buydig is 334 or something |
| 04:23.32 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: mplayer chooses to do the "pause until packets come" and so it's input buffer can get very large, and therefor lagged. xmms's chooses to drop more packaets to stay more realtime. |
| 04:23.45 | neale | ibot rtff? |
| 04:23.46 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, neale |
| 04:24.10 | neale | ibot, rtff is Read The Fine FAQ: http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/browse.php |
| 04:24.11 | | neale: okay |
| 04:24.11 | noda | ibot: rtff is Read the Friendly FAQ at http://openzaurus.org! |
| 04:24.12 | | ...but rtff is already something else... |
| 04:24.15 | noda | lol, damn :P |
| 04:24.20 | neale | ha ha |
| 04:24.31 | noda | neale: I'd suggest just putting openzaurus.org - simpler is better :) |
| 04:24.41 | noda | ibot rtfm |
| 04:24.42 | | i guess rtfm is Read The Fine Product Documentation |
| 04:24.51 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: that can be controlled with some arguments no doubt? |
| 04:24.53 | noda | ibot rtfm is also see rtff |
| 04:24.54 | | okay, noda |
| 04:24.54 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: hey |
| 04:25.01 | Onyx4 | hello |
| 04:25.02 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: you hear about this latest mplayer and xmms stuff? |
| 04:25.09 | noda | ibot rtfm |
| 04:25.10 | | extra, extra, read all about it, rtfm is Read The Fine Product Documentation, or see rtff |
| 04:25.17 | neale | so it's slow just because the MMC is slow, yes? |
| 04:25.22 | lsmith | hmm .. so is there a special trick to get qtopia to see the zaurus |
| 04:25.30 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: what about it except for what someone just said |
| 04:25.32 | neale | I mean, it's not some kernel problem. |
| 04:25.46 | lsmith | usually taking it out of the cradle and putting it back in solved the problem |
| 04:25.56 | lsmith | i can ping, shh and do all sorts of fun things |
| 04:26.01 | neale | I thought qtopia ran on the zaurus. |
| 04:26.14 | neale | ah, you're having problems with the usb networking. |
| 04:26.14 | lsmith | there is a qtopia desktop |
| 04:26.31 | neale | you can run "ifup usbd0" from the terminal to fix that |
| 04:26.42 | neale | or just keep taking it out of, and putting it back in, the cradle |
| 04:27.11 | lsmith | # ifup usbd0 |
| 04:27.11 | lsmith | ifup: interface usbd0 already configured |
| 04:27.13 | noda | Ooh! I've thought of a kickass thesis :) |
| 04:27.34 | neale | uh oh |
| 04:27.39 | neale | I think I just doorstopped this MMC |
| 04:27.42 | [PRiME] | "very long indeed" |
| 04:28.11 | noda | Problem is it's got too much damned content. Well heck, if some people in the class are going to write 500 words on *TIME*, which is discussed on every single page, I guess I can do it on lack of love. |
| 04:28.57 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: basically, someone made a plugin script for xmms that uses mplayer to play stuff and the frontend is pretty cool looking so we're going to combine efforts and make it a super-cool mplayer based media player and make it part of the oz feeds |
| 04:29.08 | lsmith | asdklööasdlasdä# |
| 04:29.16 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, nice job lsmith |
| 04:29.19 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Is it just gonna run mplayer from the commandline, or be truly integrated? :) |
| 04:29.28 | TheMasterMind1 | run the command |
| 04:30.09 | neale | wacky |
| 04:30.10 | WormLunch | hehe..this motionart is fun |
| 04:30.42 | neale | when I mount the MMC with type auto, it always thinks it's ext2 |
| 04:30.46 | neale | er, thinks it's vfat |
| 04:31.07 | neale | I think this MMC driver just might possibly be crap |
| 04:31.16 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, i agree |
| 04:31.26 | noda | neale: Run fdisk on it. |
| 04:31.35 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 04:31.45 | TheMasterMind1 | fdisk on the Z with that sd driver does freaky stuff |
| 04:31.53 | TheMasterMind1 | plus, the one on oz has alignment issues |
| 04:31.56 | neale | no thanks, it's formatted with ext2 |
| 04:32.03 | neale | (now) |
| 04:32.20 | noda | You gotta change the partition type to 83 sometimes. |
| 04:32.27 | noda | Otherwise mount doesn't know what it is. |
| 04:32.27 | neale | okay |
| 04:32.36 | neale | that didn't occur to me |
| 04:32.38 | noda | I haven't had this problem, but many people have apparently. |
| 04:32.54 | neale | so where do I get fdisk? |
| 04:33.03 | noda | ipkg install fdisk |
| 04:33.37 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: any luck? |
| 04:33.45 | neale | what does it mean "multiple providers"? I only have one feed! |
| 04:33.59 | neale | wait, it says 0 |
| 04:34.02 | neale | ha ha |
| 04:34.17 | neale | maybe I should just edit the partition table with dd |
| 04:35.16 | neale | does opie cache the contents of /etc/fstab or something? |
| 04:36.05 | lsmith | if i have an OSPACK file and the OZ files in the cf root ... which one does it use? |
| 04:36.30 | noda | lsmith: What do you mean "the OZ files"? |
| 04:36.36 | noda | Oh, initrd.bin and zImage? |
| 04:36.40 | lsmith | initr.d zIMage |
| 04:36.46 | noda | You can always try it out to see :) |
| 04:36.56 | noda | Seems like a useless test though. Just delete what you don't want :) |
| 04:36.56 | TheMasterMind1 | no no |
| 04:36.57 | lsmith | yeah |
| 04:37.03 | TheMasterMind1 | OSPACK gets precedence |
| 04:37.06 | TheMasterMind1 | we tried it |
| 04:37.12 | lsmith | k .. :-) |
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| 04:37.44 | lsmith | stupid sharp update tool aint working ... probably for the same reason i dont get qtopia to connect anymore |
| 04:37.55 | TheMasterMind1 | did you read the faqs? |
| 04:37.59 | TheMasterMind1 | go to settings->security ? |
| 04:38.07 | WormLunch | :) |
| 04:38.10 | TheMasterMind1 | are you in windows? |
| 04:38.16 | neale | ibot tell lsmith about rtff |
| 04:38.42 | lsmith | yeah .. i am browsing through there atm ... |
| 04:38.54 | DaWorm | ive already flashed my zaurus like 50 times already and no problems encountered |
| 04:38.56 | lsmith | doh! .. yeah .. i forgot that i re-flashed |
| 04:39.25 | TheMasterMind1 | lsmith: http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq.php?id=7 |
| 04:40.12 | neale | wow, I am so not understanding how this thing decides to mount. |
| 04:40.38 | TheMasterMind1 | neale: it might be /etc/sdcontrol doing it |
| 04:40.47 | neale | I'll check that |
| 04:41.12 | neale | hmm, that's interesting |
| 04:41.33 | neale | but that's not what the rpoblem is |
| 04:41.35 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.themastermind1.net/ipkg-works-demo.txt --get_it_at--> http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/ipks/ipkg_20021125-1_arm.ipk |
| 04:42.25 | neale | I think this may be blackbox |
| 04:42.53 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, anyone know what /dev/ets is? |
| 04:43.17 | neale | I don't have it. |
| 04:43.27 | neale | what is the major,minor number? |
| 04:43.31 | TheMasterMind1 | heck if i know |
| 04:44.13 | neale | ls -l /dev/ets |
| 04:45.17 | TheMasterMind1 | don't have it.. |
| 04:45.24 | neale | oh, heh |
| 04:45.26 | neale | no clue |
| 04:45.29 | neale | maybe a typo? |
| 04:45.33 | TheMasterMind1 | yet, X on the z wants it |
| 04:45.38 | neale | ?!? |
| 04:45.40 | TheMasterMind1 | X used to run before.. i dunno what changed |
| 04:45.52 | DaWorm | holy mary mother of god QD wiped my contacts/calendar |
| 04:45.55 | DaWorm | CRAP |
| 04:46.00 | TheMasterMind1 | uhoh |
| 04:46.13 | neale | this is a bad night. |
| 04:46.17 | DaWorm | GRRRR |
| 04:46.25 | DaWorm | and my last backup was on 2.38 |
| 04:46.27 | DaWorm | arrggghhh |
| 04:48.53 | neale | tough break, dude. |
| 04:49.38 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm glad i don't use my Z for pim stuff |
| 04:50.01 | TheMasterMind1 | # X |
| 04:50.01 | TheMasterMind1 | killall: ztsd: no process killed |
| 04:50.01 | TheMasterMind1 | killall: xmonobut: no process killed |
| 04:50.01 | TheMasterMind1 | /dev/ets: No such file or directory |
| 04:50.01 | TheMasterMind1 | Touch screen not found. |
| 04:50.55 | DaWorm | well i don't either..i bought an el cheapo zire for that...its just that its got a thousand entries on the contacts which i havent finished putting in a more reliable pim |
| 04:51.14 | TheMasterMind1 | ick |
| 04:51.23 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, what is the touchscreen device named? |
| 04:51.25 | neale | and then, suddenly, the MMC is working. |
| 04:51.49 | neale | sharp_ts would be my guess |
| 04:52.01 | neale | BTW that should be contributing entropy |
| 04:52.14 | neale | don't generate a PGP key on a zaurus. |
| 04:52.16 | TheMasterMind1 | yay! it works |
| 04:52.24 | TheMasterMind1 | w00t |
| 04:52.29 | neale | whatcha doin'? |
| 04:52.35 | neale | symlink? |
| 04:52.37 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 04:52.41 | neale | ha ha ha |
| 04:52.41 | TheMasterMind1 | what else :) |
| 04:52.48 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm running fluxbox! |
| 04:52.52 | TheMasterMind1 | whhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 04:52.55 | neale | haha |
| 04:52.59 | neale | I should install picogui |
| 04:53.05 | neale | I rilly rilly wanna run that. |
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| 04:55.03 | DaWorm | ohhh fluxbox |
| 04:55.04 | DaWorm | nice |
| 04:55.12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, pg isn't running |
| 04:55.13 | TheMasterMind1 | weird.. |
| 04:55.51 | TheMasterMind1 | i run pgserver and it just hangs it seems |
| 04:56.01 | TheMasterMind1 | probably opening on another vt or something |
| 04:56.31 | neale | vt handling seems to be a little borked. |
| 04:56.44 | neale | it may not be the easiest thing in the world to make boot menus |
| 04:56.55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmf, its not even running |
| 04:57.01 | TheMasterMind1 | and my keyboard etc won't respond |
| 04:57.01 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 04:57.11 | TheMasterMind1 | thank god for ssh |
| 04:57.17 | neale | ssh is great |
| 04:57.38 | neale | it lets you truthfully claim that your handheld OS is very stable |
| 04:57.46 | neale | even though the casual observer would certainly disagree |
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| 04:58.46 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa! |
| 04:58.47 | TheMasterMind1 | yay |
| 04:58.48 | TheMasterMind1 | picogui! |
| 04:58.55 | TheMasterMind1 | seems the stuff wasn't linked onto root for some reason |
| 04:59.43 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:59.51 | TheMasterMind1 | i definitely fucked up my touchscreen calibration |
| 05:00.26 | mrwoody | I have lost my stylo... where to find a replacement? |
| 05:01.51 | lsmith | hmm .. why isnt it liking being connected to 192.168.129.1 ... |
| 05:01.57 | lsmith | but works fine with 192.168.129.200 |
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| 05:03.44 | [PRiME] | lsmith - you have two access points? |
| 05:03.51 | lsmith | hmm no .. |
| 05:04.04 | lsmith | hmm i took out the gw on the usb connection .. and now it seems to work |
| 05:04.08 | aaron | Howdy All! Whats the best way to sync openzaurus with Red Hat? Qtopia 1.6? |
| 05:05.25 | lsmith | hmm .. actually it still does not .. odd .. it stopped working after trying an scp |
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| 05:08.58 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: still there? |
| 05:09.09 | billytwowilly | ibot faq |
| 05:09.09 | | faq is, like, at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or at http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html or at http://www.openzaurus.org/ |
| 05:09.33 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz faq |
| 05:09.33 | | oz faq is probably at http://www.openzaurus.org/ |
| 05:09.47 | billytwowilly | aaron: go read the faq for software, and then click the link to the software repository, then search for sync. |
| 05:12.39 | aaron | Ok, thanks guys!!! |
| 05:14.16 | billytwowilly | aaron: there's GREAT documentation out there for openzaurus. you've got the faq link, you should probably also check out the openzaurus faq at www.openzaurus.org lots of pertinent info. |
| 05:14.41 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, actually symlinking /dev/ets to /dev/sharp_ts didn't work |
| 05:14.51 | TheMasterMind1 | it starts, but touchscreen no worky |
| 05:15.02 | aaron | Thanks billy ! |
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| 05:20.19 | [PRiME] | that zaurusvip site... all the links are broken... |
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| 05:21.59 | DaWorm | hmmm..how do i run xmms...xmms-embedded-qtopia only? |
| 05:26.02 | TheMasterMind1 | all the xmms-embedded-* is qtopia |
| 05:26.07 | TheMasterMind1 | is for the Z |
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| 05:27.04 | DaWorm | 0.000000...5 doesnt work on me |
| 05:27.06 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 05:27.08 | DaWorm | the old one did |
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| 05:27.44 | Piete | TheMasterMind1: you've got mail :) |
| 05:28.06 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 05:30.02 | Piete | TheMasterMind1: you had a bday this sunday? |
| 05:30.25 | TheMasterMind1 | oh you sick freak! |
| 05:30.33 | TheMasterMind1 | recursive pics |
| 05:30.35 | TheMasterMind1 | how evil |
| 05:30.42 | myuu | ? |
| 05:30.58 | Piete | TheMasterMind1: yea :P |
| 05:30.58 | Piete | lol |
| 05:31.15 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/8.png |
| 05:31.23 | Piete | TheMasterMind1: I just wanted to try something new,, the transparency was getting on my nerves :P |
| 05:31.37 | TheMasterMind1 | looks good |
| 05:32.14 | Piete | thanks :) |
| 05:33.34 | [PRiME] | you have 5 and I have none |
| 05:37.11 | myuu | haha |
| 05:37.18 | myuu | thats pretty wicked |
| 05:41.09 | ljp | Piete: do you ever sleep? :) |
| 05:41.18 | Piete | ljp: no :/ |
| 05:41.23 | Piete | ljp: I wish I could :) |
| 05:41.32 | [PRiME] | ah it's 12:45 |
| 05:41.37 | [PRiME] | I have to stop working |
| 05:41.58 | ljp | hmm.. I dont sleep much either |
| 05:42.23 | ljp | I figure I'll sleep enough when I'm dead |
| 05:42.55 | [PRiME] | which will come sooner if you don't sleep more |
| 05:43.26 | ljp | naa.. there's no scientific study saying more sleep makes you live longer |
| 05:44.04 | [PRiME] | same with food |
| 05:44.08 | [PRiME] | it's just taken as fact |
| 05:44.11 | Piete | yea,, if you sleep half of the day,, you only live half your life :P |
| 05:44.16 | DaWorm | lol |
| 05:44.34 | ljp | yup |
| 05:45.12 | [PRiME] | no |
| 05:45.18 | [PRiME] | you're more alive when you're asleep |
| 05:45.26 | [PRiME] | because your mind takes 100% control of you |
| 05:45.35 | [PRiME] | so you can create your own world |
| 05:45.55 | Piete | [PRiME]: oh joy |
| 05:46.11 | Piete | [PRiME]: If I want my own world, I'll play the sims :) |
| 05:46.27 | [PRiME] | that's not the same... you... yeah I'm drugged up |
| 05:46.35 | Piete | lol |
| 05:47.26 | chouimat | I'm in my own world: all hot chicks are for me and every other guys are gay .... |
| 05:47.35 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 05:47.44 | Piete | chouimat: hahahaha |
| 05:47.45 | chouimat | a perfect world |
| 05:47.48 | [PRiME] | what about uggo chicks? |
| 05:48.08 | chouimat | [PRiME] it's a perfect so they didn't exist :) |
| 05:48.13 | [PRiME] | oh I see |
| 05:48.19 | [PRiME] | so.. mankind is doomed |
| 05:48.24 | Piete | chouimat: yea, and you are allowed to walk around with your weapon of choice, and shoot anyone you dislike (like that gay guy that is approaching you) |
| 05:48.59 | chouimat | Piete: and in this world gaydar are not necessairy :) |
| 05:49.03 | Piete | chouimat: in that world, there will be a very rapid population decline after a few years :P |
| 05:49.12 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 05:49.31 | TheMasterMind1 | later guys |
| 05:49.32 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm out |
| 05:49.38 | DaWorm | later |
| 05:50.07 | chouimat | Piete: no we are immortaly young :) |
| 05:50.35 | Piete | hahaha |
| 05:50.41 | [PRiME] | chouimat - there would be no food |
| 05:50.44 | Piete | bye TheMasterMind1 |
| 05:50.59 | chouimat | [PRiME]: no need |
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| 05:51.13 | [PRiME] | chouimat - no need for food??????? |
| 05:51.43 | [PRiME] | no way |
| 05:51.46 | [PRiME] | food |
| 05:53.03 | slowhog | Hi, I would like to compile usbdnet module. But the doc state the idProduct is 0x8004. But I guess for SL-5000D, it sould be 0x8002? |
| 05:54.07 | ljp | no, just do the same |
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| 05:58.38 | ljp | should work anyway |
| 05:59.18 | chouimat| | night |
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| 06:17.19 | slowhog | ljp: Why is that? If the id does not matter, why ask for it? |
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| 06:31.39 | stock | lo |
| 06:32.36 | stock | |
| 06:33.17 | stock | anyone can test if email works @mailman.ibssnet.com ? |
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| 07:48.43 | slowhog | Where can I find sceenshot or description of OZ packages? |
| 07:49.13 | DaWorm | hmm..not oz pacakges, but opie pacakges |
| 07:49.39 | DaWorm | killefiz.de/zaurus has some opie apps with shots |
| 07:49.54 | DaWorm | but the oz feeds use updated opie ones |
| 07:54.54 | slowhog | DaWorm: Thx. I cannot find opie-mplayer2, I only find opie-mplayer . Are they suppose to be the same? |
| 07:55.37 | DaWorm | hmmm..not sure..i dont use it |
| 07:55.42 | DaWorm | try the oz feeds |
| 08:07.30 | slowhog | After ipkg install, I am suppose to do ipkg-link add? |
| 08:17.56 | slowhog | I installed Konqueror, it was installed successfully and I can find it in /mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop/bin, but I cannot find it in tab. What should I do? |
| 08:18.15 | DaWorm | reboot opie |
| 08:18.30 | DaWorm | err restart i mean |
| 08:22.47 | slowhog | DaWorm: Ok, it shows up. You have been helping me a lot. :-) |
| 08:23.23 | DaWorm | np, sorry i am at work, i am doing 2 things at a time, wasn't that active |
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| 09:13.09 | DaWorm | hey |
| 09:13.19 | kergoth | heyy |
| 09:13.28 | DaWorm | why so early |
| 09:13.30 | DaWorm | :) |
| 09:13.37 | kergoth | i gotta say, minneapolis is fucking tame compared to vegas |
| 09:13.41 | kergoth | just got in |
| 09:14.20 | hunger | Does OZ now work for a user? |
| 09:14.21 | DaWorm | ohhh right you went to vegas |
| 09:17.03 | kergoth | alright well i just dropped in to say hello, gonna catch some zzz's, try to get me back on a day schedule |
| 09:17.21 | kergoth | kept fucking napping for 2 hours, party, 2 more hours, party more, et cetera |
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| 09:29.59 | schurig | Hi! Does anybody know there the source code for "oncheck" is? |
| 09:42.36 | hunger | tar segfaults in OZ3. Known problem? |
| 09:42.53 | hunger | Sorry, my fault... |
| 09:43.10 | hunger | Still, it shouldn't segfault from wrong parameters. |
| 09:44.16 | schurig | Tar is contained in busybox. Can you report this problem to the busybox people? |
| 09:45.52 | hunger | Where did the usermanager go? |
| 09:46.13 | hunger | Is that in some unstable version of OZ? /me feels he has lost touch with OZ completly:-( |
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| 09:59.32 | *** topic/#openzaurus by schurig -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | send cool screenshots to ozshots@themastermind1.net | ipkg from http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/ipks/ipkg_20021125-1_arm.ipk is now working, see http://www.themastermind1.net/ipkg-works-demo.txt | kergoth = gone to vegas | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon - kaffe + awt-qte |
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| 10:11.20 | _Ogmios_|Work | ibot wallpaper |
| 10:11.21 | | _Ogmios_|Work: i don't know |
| 10:11.24 | _Ogmios_|Work | ibot wallpapers |
| 10:11.24 | | i don't know, _Ogmios_|Work |
| 10:11.29 | _Ogmios_|Work | ibot background |
| 10:11.30 | | _Ogmios_|Work: bugger all, i dunno |
| 10:11.32 | _Ogmios_|Work | ibot backgrounds |
| 10:11.33 | | _Ogmios_|Work: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 10:27.21 | wembly | mastermind you awake? |
| 10:36.53 | hunger | Can users in OZ only belong to one group?! |
| 10:47.33 | Twiun | hunger: eh? |
| 10:48.30 | hunger | Twiun: I created a user and put him into group video |
| 10:48.41 | Twiun | ahhh |
| 10:48.43 | hunger | Twiun: He cannot access /dev/fb0. |
| 10:48.57 | Twiun | what are the perms on /dev/fb0? |
| 10:49.00 | hunger | Twiun: Even though that's crw-rw---- 1 root video 29, 0 Jan 1 2002 fb0 |
| 10:49.57 | Twiun | hand on a sec... isn't fb0 a symlink to /dev/fb/0? |
| 10:49.59 | hunger | Hmmm.... id just shows the group users. |
| 10:50.08 | Twiun | s/hand/hang/ |
| 10:50.35 | hunger | Twiun: Doesen't look like... |
| 10:50.43 | nobse | hunger: have you logged your user out after adding it to the group? |
| 10:50.58 | Twiun | hunger: you're right... not a symlink |
| 10:51.07 | hunger | nobse: I added him with the usermanager. |
| 10:51.18 | hunger | nobse: Then I tried loggin into OPIE with him. |
| 10:51.23 | Twiun | rebooted? (just for laughs) |
| 10:51.34 | hunger | Twiun: Of course not;-) |
| 10:51.57 | nobse | hunger: hmm... I thougt oz does not support running opie as a different user than root? |
| 10:52.10 | nobse | not yet |
| 10:52.15 | hunger | nobse: I had it working. |
| 10:52.21 | Twiun | hunger: what? you mean after all that hard work we still can't emulate windows' methodologies? pfargh |
| 10:52.23 | nobse | hunger: with 3.0? |
| 10:52.40 | hunger | nobse: Been a while, needed to reflash the Z though due to it loosing blocks in /mnt/ram:-( |
| 10:52.53 | hunger | nobse: No. Pre 3.0. |
| 10:53.35 | nobse | 11:09 < nobse> Is it possible to run Opie as a nonroot user in oz3.0? |
| 10:53.39 | nobse | 11:10 < Onyx4> not yet no |
| 10:53.42 | nobse | 11:10 < nobse> k |
| 10:53.45 | nobse | 11:10 < Onyx4> probably in 3.1 or 3.2 |
| 10:53.48 | nobse | hmm |
| 10:54.03 | hunger | nobse: I did a lot of handwork to get it done:-) |
| 10:54.25 | nobse | hunger: ah, ok... can you write it down and add it to the faq? :) |
| 10:54.39 | hunger | nobse: As you see it does not work right now;-) |
| 10:54.56 | nobse | hunger: ok, write it down the its working fine :) |
| 10:55.34 | nobse | s/the/when/ |
| 10:57.21 | hunger | Damit! Why am I not allowed to change permissions on /usr/mount?! |
| 10:57.42 | hunger | s/usr/bin/ |
| 10:58.29 | hunger | # chmod u+s /bin/mount |
| 10:58.30 | hunger | /bin/mount: Operation not permitted |
| 10:58.49 | nobse | eh? |
| 10:58.49 | hunger | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 69900 Jan 1 2002 /bin/mount* |
| 10:59.02 | Twiun | what fs? |
| 10:59.25 | hunger | Twiun: /bin is on jffs2 or whatever it's called I think. |
| 11:00.06 | nobse | hmm, shouldn't be /bin/mount a link to busybox? |
| 11:00.14 | Twiun | hmmm... yeah, it is on mine |
| 11:00.20 | Twiun | pre-3.0 |
| 11:00.21 | hunger | nobse: Nope. It is, but it should not be. |
| 11:01.18 | hunger | It is a link to busybox by default. But since I need a suid'ed mount and don't want to suid busybox I installed util-linux-mount or something. |
| 11:01.34 | nobse | ah |
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| 12:11.27 | schurig | hunger: maybe we should install /bin/busybox and a hard linked /sbin/busybox which is suid root. And then we can make mount a symlink to /sbin/busybox. |
| 12:12.01 | schurig | hunger: could you try this? If it works, I will eventually change the packages/busybox/Makefile to make this the default ... |
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| 13:01.25 | kolla | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=676 |
| 13:01.32 | kolla | what's going on on that screenshot? |
| 13:02.02 | kolla | looks like a VNC client for the Z displaying an X display on which gnuplot is running |
| 13:02.31 | kolla | but then, what is gnuplot for zaurus? |
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| 13:18.13 | aman | hey |
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| 13:20.50 | aman | hi |
| 13:20.59 | vandal | aloha |
| 13:21.16 | aman | whats up |
| 13:21.28 | vandal | i am sooo dead ... stayed at the office til 7am |
| 13:22.13 | aman | gthg |
| 13:23.13 | ljp- | thats crazy |
| 13:23.37 | vandal | i have a camping mat at the office ... |
| 13:23.52 | vandal | but it wasnt worth it .. since the first people start showing up at 8am |
| 13:29.06 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
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| 13:35.47 | Twiun | hi Cloud |
| 13:36.10 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 13:37.20 | schurig | Cloudchaser: could you came over to Germany? Lot's of clouds to chase. In fact, it's one big cloud going from horizon to horizon :-) |
| 13:37.25 | ljp- | hey cloudy! |
| 13:37.35 | ljp- | whats fer breakfast?! |
| 13:37.44 | Cloudchaser | hehe schurig: i don't actually ever catch them ;) |
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| 13:37.48 | noda | Moo! |
| 13:37.55 | Cloudchaser | ljp-: no breakfast here ;) |
| 13:38.10 | Cloudchaser | moo to you too noda :) |
| 13:38.32 | noda | MooOOOO! |
| 13:38.47 | Cloudchaser | hehe ok today is the day i tackle samba yet again i think... |
| 13:39.21 | ljp- | Twiun: doing some cow tipping, eh? |
| 13:40.05 | Cloudchaser | this linux stuff is full time job...too bad no pay involved :) |
| 13:40.05 | mickeyl | any idea when kergoth is back from L.A? |
| 13:40.17 | Cloudchaser | las vegas |
| 13:40.19 | lsmith | the pay is that you dont have to pay for ot |
| 13:40.23 | lsmith | s/ot/it |
| 13:40.36 | Twiun | ljp-: someone has to, he keeps mooing in here, I'm sure that's OT |
| 13:41.02 | Twiun | mickeyl: he's back... came on briefly to say hi a few hours ago |
| 13:41.10 | noda | mickeyl: He is back. |
| 13:41.19 | noda | /whois kergoth`zzz |
| 13:43.00 | mickeyl | aah great. thanks folks |
| 13:43.08 | ljp- | thing is, cows won't tip over easily, unless they are sleeping |
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| 13:43.26 | noda | Heh :) |
| 13:43.38 | mickeyl | hey kergoth! Welcome back - missed you :)) |
| 13:43.41 | Cloudchaser | hehe speak of the devil! |
| 13:44.22 | Cloudchaser | yeah its very early there |
| 13:44.27 | lsmith | lol .. a php-gtk app for the ipaq! |
| 13:44.28 | lsmith | http://gtk.php.net/apps/screenshot.php/88.jpg |
| 13:44.44 | noda | 4 and a half hours' sleep isn't enough to stay healthy :) |
| 13:45.13 | Twiun | I've never even imagined that kergoth *is* healthy... we keep him too busy |
| 13:45.14 | noda | ljp-: Cows sleep lying down, so they have a low center of gravity - very hard to tip over. |
| 13:45.18 | noda | lol |
| 13:45.37 | noda | Speaking of health... gonna start my day. |
| 13:45.41 | nadav | heh |
| 13:46.06 | ljp- | noda: you ever seen a cow sleep? |
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| 14:02.24 | bipolar | ibot: seen zecke |
| 14:02.25 | | bipolar: i haven't seen 'zecke' |
| 14:03.01 | ljp | PicoBot: seen zecke |
| 14:03.02 | PicoBot | zecke was last seen on #zaurus 28 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: Wintre: 2.38 with Qtopia1.6? where to get that? [Mon Oct 28 14:50:13 2002] |
| 14:03.13 | ljp | heh not |
| 14:06.03 | bipolar | *sigh* |
| 14:06.23 | bipolar | I've got kde 3.1 compiled and I want to see how well kitchensync works :) |
| 14:07.05 | kolla | that name must be a german idea |
| 14:10.21 | ljp | kitchensync ? ya |
| 14:10.55 | ljp | theyliketocrameverywordintosomethingnew |
| 14:11.24 | ljp | spacesbetweenwordsareineffecient! |
| 14:11.35 | kolla | oh, that's quite normal.. english is the exception |
| 14:11.48 | kolla | it's more the "joke" involved |
| 14:12.20 | ljp | normal for 'germanic' languages |
| 14:12.26 | kolla | yes |
| 14:12.29 | kolla | english being one |
| 14:12.51 | ljp | english doesnt cram words together as much as German |
| 14:13.01 | kolla | no, but that's becuase english is weird |
| 14:13.17 | kolla | english does it on quite irregular basis |
| 14:13.44 | kolla | for instance there is no such thing as a homepage |
| 14:14.00 | kolla | and there is underline, yet no overline |
| 14:14.10 | kolla | it's a mock up |
| 14:14.37 | bipolar | hehe |
| 14:14.45 | ljp | true, but doesnt german combine more than two words often? |
| 14:15.09 | hunger | schurig: ln'ing busybox and suid'ing the hardlink does not work. |
| 14:15.34 | hunger | schurig: Busybox's mount obviously checks for root-userness itself. |
| 14:16.01 | hunger | schurig: Besides: It is not a terribly good solution anyway. Users can execute any busybox function as root that way. |
| 14:20.06 | kolla | ljp: all other germanic languages specifically allows you to put words together.. not only that.. it's the _rule_ to put words together |
| 14:20.34 | pb_ | hunger: if you want a setuid mount, the best solution is probably to write a small wrapper program that can be setuid. |
| 14:20.35 | kolla | ljp: not only german.. dutch, norwegian, swedish, danish, icelandic.. |
| 14:22.26 | kolla | it's english that sticks out.. probably yet another fashion thing that was imported from french.. |
| 14:23.42 | kolla | the sad part is that the english nonsense is now spreading into the other germanic languages |
| 14:23.52 | ljp | hehehe |
| 14:24.10 | kolla | lots of people write "split words" in norwegian now.. to much confusion |
| 14:25.18 | kolla | http://folk.uio.no/tfredvik/amo/ |
| 14:25.44 | kolla | an organisation that collect examples of lousy norwegian where splitting of words is used |
| 14:25.51 | kolla | collects |
| 14:26.21 | kolla | "astronomers against word splitting" |
| 14:28.31 | kolla | for instance.. the difference between a "tverr fløyte" and a "tverrfløyte" .. the first meaning a flute that is more or less broken or at least hard to play, the second referring to a special family of flutes :) |
| 14:30.20 | ljp | hmm |
| 14:32.12 | kolla | dont know any english word to describe "tverr" :) |
| 14:32.17 | kolla | cross |
| 14:32.25 | kolla | I guess cross is the best |
| 14:33.02 | kolla | a cross bow vs a cross-bow |
| 14:33.19 | kolla | the first implying an "angry" bow |
| 14:33.22 | kolla | :) |
| 14:33.40 | pb_ | you'd actually write "crossbow" rather than "cross-bow" in English. |
| 14:33.49 | kolla | well, there you go |
| 14:33.57 | kolla | the same way we do it |
| 14:34.07 | kolla | a crossbow vs. cross bow |
| 14:34.49 | kolla | but in english there's no rule for when to split or when not to split |
| 14:34.59 | kolla | you have to look it up :) |
| 14:35.21 | kolla | in the other languages there is no need to look up.. splitting is wrong :) |
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| 14:56.52 | bipolar | My new rackmount dual CPU file server just arived |
| 14:57.50 | ljp | fun!! |
| 14:58.07 | ljp | just hope the motherboard actually works |
| 15:05.24 | bipolar | ljp: don't scare me |
| 15:05.28 | bipolar | :) |
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| 15:05.41 | aman | anything new/ |
| 15:09.05 | Twiun | anyone tried building opie from the buildroot lately? |
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| 15:21.56 | noda | Moo! |
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| 15:33.51 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:36.21 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin chouimat |
| 15:37.31 | chouimat | hi Cloudchaser |
| 15:37.47 | ljp_work | mornin' John-boy |
| 15:37.54 | ciao_linux | morning everybody |
| 15:37.55 | ljp_work | oh.. wrong show. sorry |
| 15:38.08 | ciao_linux | chouimat: you were right... 2.5 usb-storage is crap |
| 15:38.13 | chouimat | ciao_linux: Hi Doctor nick |
| 15:38.24 | ciao_linux | chouimat: doctor nick? |
| 15:38.39 | chouimat | ciao_linux: simpsons. :) |
| 15:39.13 | ciao_linux | chouimat: simpsons? |
| 15:39.20 | ciao_linux | chouimat: what h |
| 15:39.24 | ciao_linux | appened |
| 15:39.36 | chouimat | ciao_linux: did you need to reformat you CF ? |
| 15:39.39 | ciao_linux | chouimat: i have seen almost all the episodes of the simpsons but I don't remember doctor nick |
| 15:39.57 | chouimat | ciao_linux: the failed doctor |
| 15:40.41 | ciao_linux | chouimat: no.. fortunatelly it hanged even before i put the cf card on it (i just plug the card reader (without cf)) |
| 15:41.09 | ciao_linux | chouimat: you mean the black guy? |
| 15:41.19 | chouimat | but without usb-storage 2.5 is stable |
| 15:41.39 | chouimat | ciao_linux: no doctor nick riveria |
| 15:42.07 | ciao_linux | chouimat: well ok... at the moment i am using lilo and the two kernels, but i need usb-storage |
| 15:42.40 | ciao_linux | chouimat: which one is that? i am not a failed doctor! :-) |
| 15:42.59 | ciao_linux | chouimat: there is a failed lawyer... (i am very bad with names) |
| 15:43.11 | chouimat | ciao_linux: the italian doctor |
| 15:43.16 | ciao_linux | chouimat: anyway my usbnet didn't work (with 2.5)... |
| 15:43.45 | ciao_linux | chouimat: i must have missed that episode, how many times did he appear? is he in the new series? |
| 15:44.12 | chouimat | ciao_linux: old character. his the one who did the cardiac surgery on homer |
| 15:44.45 | ciao_linux | chouimat: i don't remember... i think that i missed that |
| 15:45.22 | ciao_linux | chouimat: when i plug the zaurus, it doesn't even see that... did you do something particular with that? |
| 15:45.31 | ciao_linux | chouimat: i mean with 2.5 of course |
| 15:45.42 | chouimat | hehe. according to slashdot. the BBC recommand avoiding Explorer |
| 15:45.58 | ciao_linux | ibot: slashdot |
| 15:46.00 | ciao_linux | why? |
| 15:46.00 | chouimat | ciao_linux: replug the usb cable |
| 15:46.14 | chouimat | ciao_linux: ads and spys |
| 15:46.59 | ciao_linux | chouimat: what is the advantage in replugging the usb cable? did you have the same problem? isn't it the same as replugging the zaurus? |
| 15:47.26 | chouimat | ciao_linux: sometime it make the usb driver see it |
| 15:48.24 | ciao_linux | chouimat: ok... tonight i will try that... then i also try to patch the 2.4.19 to 2.4.20-rc3 but not very successfully |
| 15:48.49 | ciao_linux | chouimat: did you try that? |
| 15:49.34 | chouimat | ciao_linux: not a need XFS |
| 15:49.41 | ciao_linux | on 2004 it will be possible to surf the internet on a plane |
| 15:53.53 | ljp_work | hey! |
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| 15:59.03 | chouimat | ciao_linux: 2.5.4x? |
| 16:00.13 | ciao_linux | chouimat: ? |
| 16:00.47 | ljp_work | use -force-depends |
| 16:00.50 | ljp_work | whoops |
| 16:02.19 | ciao_linux | chouimat: what is 2.5.4x? |
| 16:02.28 | chouimat | ciao_linux: which version? |
| 16:02.41 | ciao_linux | chouimat: you mean at home? 2.5.49 |
| 16:03.07 | chouimat | ok they don't fixed that crap |
| 16:03.21 | ciao_linux | chouimat: you are looking the changelog? |
| 16:05.41 | chouimat | ciao_linux: yes. btw 2.5.49-ac1 is out |
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| 16:06.39 | kolla | .49 already, hehe |
| 16:06.53 | ciao_linux | kolla: do you use .49? how about usb-storagE? |
| 16:07.03 | kolla | no way :) |
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| 16:07.14 | ciao_linux | kolla: no way what? |
| 16:07.25 | kolla | no way I'm using 2.5.49 |
| 16:07.55 | ciao_linux | chouimat: well there is not even a changelog for that |
| 16:08.23 | chouimat | kolla: i have 2.5.47-ac6 on two boxes here and it's stable without any usb stuff |
| 16:08.41 | kolla | cool, I guess |
| 16:08.54 | kolla | havent bothered with 2.5 yet at all |
| 16:09.18 | ciao_linux | kolla: what do you use to connect the zaurus to your box? |
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| 16:09.26 | kolla | ciao_linux: microwaves |
| 16:09.53 | ciao_linux | your microwave oven? be careful about that stuff.. i have heard bad stories |
| 16:10.00 | kolla | :) |
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| 16:10.40 | kolla | I'm not even sure where my cradle is, I only use the wlan card and I dont do any syncing with any desktop as I dont have anything to sync |
| 16:12.39 | kolla | I do backups from time to time though, but I use tar and netcat |
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| 16:13.49 | chouimat | hi dajoker |
| 16:13.56 | DaJoker | howdy |
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| 16:23.46 | chouimat | benmeyer: ping |
| 16:35.39 | ljp_work | pong |
| 16:35.43 | ljp_work | oh.. damn router! |
| 16:38.15 | benmeyer | 5yah windows |
| 16:38.19 | benmeyer | crashed again |
| 16:38.21 | benmeyer | PONG |
| 16:38.23 | benmeyer | whats up |
| 16:38.54 | chouimat | benmeyer: confirm when you received the mo |
| 16:39.03 | benmeyer | Moooo |
| 16:39.12 | benmeyer | Did you get the mo? |
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| 16:39.33 | benmeyer | oh mo |
| 16:39.43 | benmeyer | sorry havn't check my home mail yet |
| 16:39.44 | chouimat | benmeyer: I send it yesterday :) |
| 16:39.48 | benmeyer | will do tonight |
| 16:39.50 | benmeyer | when I go home |
| 16:40.17 | chouimat | benmeyer: Quebec City -> NJ about 2 or 3 days |
| 16:45.42 | benmeyer | yah |
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| 16:47.38 | AndyQ | hi |
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| 16:49.37 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 16:49.40 | AndyQ | Hi Dessimat0r |
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| 16:50.04 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: hey - I was checking yesterdays archive and saw your bits about xvid |
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| 16:50.07 | AndyQ | lo aman |
| 16:50.17 | Dessimat0r | I see Kergoth is doing some gambilin' ;) |
| 16:50.33 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: what sort of file sizes do you get with it? |
| 16:50.35 | ljp_work | no, hookering |
| 16:50.35 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: yeah, performance is really good using it :D |
| 16:50.52 | AndyQ | what are the chances of squeezing hte matrix onto a 128 mb cf card? |
| 16:51.24 | Dessimat0r | hold on, I'll show you some times and sizes ;) |
| 16:51.30 | Cloudchaser | AndyQ: i have a question for you..or a plea for help |
| 16:51.44 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: yup? ready and waiting :) |
| 16:51.44 | Cloudchaser | i'm having some problems installing a package |
| 16:51.50 | AndyQ | which one? |
| 16:52.00 | Cloudchaser | it was installed, and i tried to installl a newer version |
| 16:52.04 | Cloudchaser | tkcRekall |
| 16:52.10 | Cloudchaser | i uninstalled the old one |
| 16:52.20 | Cloudchaser | and then tried to install the new one |
| 16:52.20 | Dessimat0r | a 00:01:30 file is 3mb in size |
| 16:52.32 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: k - what happened? |
| 16:52.43 | Dessimat0r | thats the Neon Genesis Evangelion intro ;) |
| 16:52.48 | Cloudchaser | first it said out of space on sd card |
| 16:52.49 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: not bad - is that 1 hr 30 mins or 1 min 30 secs ? |
| 16:52.55 | Dessimat0r | 1 min 30 secs ;) |
| 16:52.58 | Cloudchaser | which has about 15 mb free |
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| 16:53.12 | Cloudchaser | then i tried to install to mtdram, and it seemed to install but no icon on desktop |
| 16:53.23 | Dessimat0r | you might want to try ogg and the xvid settings i suggested |
| 16:53.28 | Dessimat0r | might make it even smaller |
| 16:53.30 | Cloudchaser | i run it from command, and it displays wrong, no widgets or icons in the app |
| 16:53.41 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: does it play on xmms? |
| 16:53.59 | Cloudchaser | i uninstalled it, updated ipkg with TheMasterMind1's changes, manually removed any signs of the app |
| 16:54.02 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: hmmm I'd suggest the following: |
| 16:54.06 | Dessimat0r | haven't tried, i need ext2 on my CF to install it, due to library symbolic links ;) |
| 16:54.16 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: unstall the app |
| 16:54.21 | Dessimat0r | no space on jffs2 |
| 16:54.27 | Dessimat0r | don't have mtdram |
| 16:54.47 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: edit /usr/lib/status relative to /, /mnt/ram and /mnt/mtdram and remove all references to tckrecall |
| 16:56.09 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: look at /usr/lib/ipkg/info/TckRecall.list (it may be in /, /mnt/ram or /mnt/card and see what files exists there and remove them from / |
| 16:56.22 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: those should all be symbolic links |
| 16:56.35 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: then re=install the app to mtdram |
| 16:56.50 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: I'm guessing that somehow youve still got some old links pointing to the wrong place |
| 16:57.13 | AndyQ | actually, check the tckrecall.list before uninstalling otherwise the file will be removed |
| 16:57.51 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: if that doesnt work then let me know although not sure at that point - more investigation required |
| 16:58.05 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: have you compresses any large files yet? |
| 16:59.15 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: also, what app do you use to encode the file - I guess xvid is the codec? |
| 17:01.31 | aman | later |
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| 17:05.33 | Cloudchaser | ok its uninstalled |
| 17:05.33 | Cloudchaser | least according to aqpkg it is |
| 17:05.42 | Cloudchaser | - |
| 17:05.53 | Cloudchaser | andy? |
| 17:05.58 | AndyQ | yup |
| 17:06.16 | AndyQ | have you removed any and all extraneos symbolic links that may be there? |
| 17:07.20 | Cloudchaser | i don't know |
| 17:07.49 | AndyQ | OK, did you check the tckrecall.list file (that contains a list of all files installed by tckrecall) |
| 17:10.18 | Cloudchaser | i'll check again |
| 17:10.22 | Cloudchaser | i spent 4 hours yesterday |
| 17:10.27 | Cloudchaser | removing everytihng |
| 17:10.36 | Cloudchaser | the list files, the status entries |
| 17:10.41 | AndyQ | I bet you have fun :) |
| 17:11.16 | AndyQ | you want to ensure that every file mentioned in the tckrecall.list file has been removed relative to / |
| 17:11.31 | Cloudchaser | oops |
| 17:11.34 | Cloudchaser | i deleted that file |
| 17:11.53 | Cloudchaser | i deleted anyting that said tkcrekall |
| 17:12.12 | AndyQ | oops, ok, reinstall to mtdram, see if it works (probably not) and if not, you'll have the list file there |
| 17:12.36 | Cloudchaser | lemme see if my last install .list file is there |
| 17:12.48 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: also, an unrelated point - you were interested in backgrounds for your tabs? |
| 17:13.12 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: I read today that pocket win themes are just simple cab files which you can extract the backgrounds from |
| 17:13.30 | bipolar | Is anyone here using KitchenSync? |
| 17:13.35 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: and http://www.pdagold.com/themes/list.asp?TypeID=1&CategoryID=4 has LOADS or really nice ones! |
| 17:13.52 | Cloudchaser | cool thanks andy |
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| 17:14.05 | Cloudchaser | but first i need rekall to work |
| 17:14.26 | Cloudchaser | those themes will work on the z? |
| 17:15.12 | AndyQ | I think so - they may need slight resizing but they are just jpegs |
| 17:15.45 | AndyQ | if you uncompress the file (will have an tsk extension but is really a cab) you will see3 files |
| 17:16.08 | AndyQ | you want the tdywater.001 file - rename that to piccy.jpg and robert is your fathers brother |
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| 17:18.07 | Cloudchaser | ok so you want me to try to reinstall it |
| 17:18.18 | Cloudchaser | get the list then remove all those files? |
| 17:18.27 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: yup |
| 17:18.58 | Cloudchaser | ok how do i find the ones installed to sd card before then? |
| 17:19.09 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: check first that it doesn't work, then backup list file, then uninstall, |
| 17:19.23 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 17:19.36 | AndyQ | the list file will give the names of each file installed - i.e. /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/somefile |
| 17:19.44 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 17:19.54 | Cloudchaser | why won't it install to sd card? |
| 17:20.02 | Cloudchaser | why am i getting out of space error? |
| 17:20.16 | AndyQ | not sure about that |
| 17:20.51 | AndyQ | but then look in /mnt/card and remove /mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop/bin/somefile if it exists |
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| 17:23.14 | bipolar | I'm getting the following message when I try to sync: |
| 17:23.15 | bipolar | An unauthorized system is requesting access to this device |
| 17:23.15 | bipolar | If you are using a version of Qtopia Desktop older then 1.5.1, please upgrade |
| 17:23.38 | bipolar | But I am trying to use KitchenSync with KDE. Is there a way to bypass this? |
| 17:23.56 | ljp_work | use a password |
| 17:24.57 | bipolar | you mean set a root password? |
| 17:25.15 | ljp_work | no |
| 17:25.38 | bipolar | where do I set it? |
| 17:25.39 | ljp_work | opie pops up that message if there is no password supplied from the sync client |
| 17:25.44 | ljp_work | domt know |
| 17:25.54 | bipolar | oh, so I can send it ANYTHING? |
| 17:26.02 | ljp_work | kitchensync _should_ have it set |
| 17:26.21 | ljp_work | no, it needs to be 'Qtopia" or "rootme" |
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| 17:27.07 | bipolar | ljp_work: Got it! Thanks! |
| 17:27.15 | ljp_work | hmm cool |
| 17:27.30 | bipolar | Awesome |
| 17:27.32 | bipolar | It works |
| 17:28.08 | bipolar | LOL |
| 17:28.22 | bipolar | I've been waiting for this for so damn long, and here it is :) |
| 17:28.36 | bipolar | s/offcie/office |
| 17:28.45 | ljp_work | what did you do to set the password? (for reference) |
| 17:28.51 | bipolar | Qtopia |
| 17:29.08 | ljp_work | is there a way to specify the password? |
| 17:29.35 | bipolar | I think it could be anything. Opie poped up a messages saying that it's never heard from this sync client before and if I want to alow it from now on. |
| 17:29.52 | bipolar | So I think that now it will just accept that password |
| 17:30.39 | ljp_work | oh |
| 17:31.01 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: Sorry, I was away ;) |
| 17:31.03 | bipolar | pretty cool |
| 17:31.06 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: Back now |
| 17:31.09 | bipolar | addressbook works |
| 17:31.12 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: I used VirtualDub |
| 17:31.37 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: No large files compressed yet |
| 17:31.38 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 17:34.49 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: what settings do you use |
| 17:40.51 | bipolar | well, todo list does not seem to work at all, but addressbook does |
| 17:45.23 | bipolar | whoops! Addressbook on the Zaurus got b0rk3d |
| 17:45.36 | bipolar | hehe... yep, it's alpha software :) |
| 17:48.41 | ljp_work | heheh so I guess addressbook doesnt work? :) |
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| 17:52.21 | bipolar | ljp_work: it imported everything into KDE, then borked the one on the Z. So it half works :) |
| 17:52.26 | Neo|Work | any advancements on the SD problems? |
| 17:53.12 | Dessimat0r | bipolar: todo does work ;) |
| 17:53.18 | Dessimat0r | look on the final menu |
| 17:53.19 | numatrix | Neo|Work: You get my message from yesterday? |
| 17:53.32 | Neo|Work | uh, don't think so no |
| 17:53.50 | Dessimat0r | the default option is to only view tasks with passed deadlines |
| 17:54.20 | numatrix | Neo|Work: just asking if you had seen the post on the sdl mailing list Alex sent regarding some changes to the sdl qtopia stuff. He did had a patch to add proper keygrabbing of the hw buttons. |
| 17:54.59 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: xvid, 320 x 240, bitrate : 200 mp3, bitrate : 56, stereo |
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| 17:56.23 | AndyQ | k |
| 17:56.55 | Neo|Work | numatrix: using the SDL key grabbing method I assume? |
| 18:01.04 | Neo|Work | sent a response to that mail |
| 18:01.12 | Neo|Work | I think the fix is somewhat bogus but I'll check it out |
| 18:21.21 | Twiun | anyone able to browse tcpdump.org? |
| 18:24.20 | numatrix | Neo|Work: I think he just uses the qtopia grab command. I forget. |
| 18:25.04 | Neo|Work | numatrix: it said 'create a new QPEApplication'... |
| 18:25.15 | Neo|Work | there already is one and shouldn't be anymore... |
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| 18:25.59 | numatrix | Where is that one created? |
| 18:27.31 | Neo|Work | in main |
| 18:28.13 | numatrix | Neo|Work: I'm assuming he's just using app.grabKeyboard(); I forget though, and I don't have the email handy; I was browsing it from the webinterface, so I couldn't save the patch attachment and actually look at it... |
| 18:28.49 | Neo|Work | no, he said that instead of using qApp he 'created a new QPEApplication' |
| 18:29.06 | Neo|Work | I didn't see any attachment at all |
| 18:29.21 | numatrix | Neo|Work: he submitted a patch in the form of an attachment, I thought. |
| 18:29.28 | Neo|Work | Oh, I missed it. doh |
| 18:29.30 | numatrix | Yeah: http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/2002-November/050631.html |
| 18:29.32 | numatrix | qtopia.patch |
| 18:30.15 | ciao_linux | chouimat|lunch: it looks like in http://bugzilla.kernel.org/ there is nothing about usb-storage... |
| 18:30.18 | Neo|Work | ! myapp->grabKeyboard(); |
| 18:30.20 | Neo|Work | oops |
| 18:30.25 | Neo|Work | ! myapp = new QPEApplication(argc, argv); |
| 18:30.25 | Neo|Work | ! myapp->grabKeyboard(); |
| 18:30.53 | Neo|Work | i.e broken |
| 18:31.13 | Neo|Work | I'll throw away that patch and make a real patch instead |
| 18:31.20 | Neo|Work | one that simply implements SDL_WM_GrabKeyboard |
| 18:39.44 | Cloudchaser | hey ljp is your new konsole on oz stable feed (with the scrolling sideways? |
| 18:39.50 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: tested the config yet with a video? |
| 18:40.28 | AndyQ | nope - managed to get a 4 minute vid down to 13mb but too big - trying something else at the mo |
| 18:43.03 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 18:43.36 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: check for the WRAP item under options. |
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| 18:44.52 | Dessimat0r | Onyx4: yo |
| 18:44.56 | Onyx4 | hey |
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| 18:53.54 | lsmith | TheMasterMind1: where is the latest version of ipkg? |
| 18:54.20 | lsmith | 1.3 is the latest version of aqpkg .. correct? |
| 18:54.43 | lsmith | and one more question ... did the unstable feed get any updates lately |
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| 18:54.55 | lsmith | with the return of kergoth and all |
| 19:01.34 | Cloudchaser | AndyQ: are you still here? |
| 19:01.56 | AndyQ | i am |
| 19:02.40 | AndyQ | just unpacking loads of background files :) |
| 19:02.48 | Cloudchaser | ok there's alot of links in /opt..../lib that point to /mnt/card/opt.... |
| 19:03.02 | Cloudchaser | on /mnt/card/opt there are no libraries or links |
| 19:03.06 | Cloudchaser | so..i remove all those? |
| 19:03.14 | AndyQ | remove em |
| 19:05.16 | Cloudchaser | even if they are not in that .list file? |
| 19:05.21 | lsmith | hmm .. if i config my usb network connection to be 192.168.129.1 i have problems with the rooting |
| 19:05.25 | AndyQ | what links are they? |
| 19:05.28 | lsmith | 192.168.129.200 seems to work though |
| 19:05.35 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: what links are they? |
| 19:05.49 | Cloudchaser | libtkc.so -> /mnt/ram/opt/QtPalmtop/lib/li |
| 19:05.49 | Cloudchaser | btkc.so |
| 19:05.49 | Cloudchaser | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Nov 25 22:01 libtkc.so.1 -> /mnt/ram/opt/QtPalmtop/lib/ |
| 19:05.49 | Cloudchaser | libtkc.so.1 |
| 19:05.49 | Cloudchaser | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Nov 25 22:01 libtkc.so.1.0 -> /mnt/ram/opt/QtPalmtop/li |
| 19:05.50 | Cloudchaser | b/libtkc.so.1.0 |
| 19:05.52 | Cloudchaser | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Nov 25 22:01 libtkc.so.1.0.0 -> /mnt/ram/opt/QtPalmtop/ |
| 19:05.54 | lsmith | i can get it to work briefly though |
| 19:06.16 | AndyQ | yup - they look like tck links as they don't point to anything its safe to remove them |
| 19:06.22 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 19:06.25 | AndyQ | sorry that was for CloudChaser |
| 19:06.48 | lsmith | i assumed that :-) |
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| 19:07.24 | guised | hmmm |
| 19:07.42 | guised | has anyone had a problem with mplayer doing splitscreen |
| 19:07.42 | guised | ? |
| 19:08.38 | Cloudchaser | ack! i might have needed those.. they were to /mnt/ram/opt, not /mnt/card/opt |
| 19:09.08 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: check if you have them in /mnt/ram.... |
| 19:09.13 | Cloudchaser | i do |
| 19:09.31 | AndyQ | oops |
| 19:10.32 | Cloudchaser | so its ln -s libtkc.so.1 /mnt/ram/opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libtkc.so.1 ? |
| 19:10.34 | Cloudchaser | like that? |
| 19:10.46 | AndyQ | yeah |
| 19:11.10 | Neo|Work | 1 |
| 19:11.43 | AndyQ | brb |
| 19:13.24 | AndyQ | back |
| 19:13.31 | AndyQ | needed a beer :) |
| 19:14.33 | guised | AndyQ: it's like 2:34 |
| 19:14.49 | guised | heh |
| 19:14.50 | AndyQ | speak for yourself :) its 19:18 here |
| 19:15.08 | guised | damn, where are ya |
| 19:15.15 | AndyQ | England |
| 19:15.17 | Cloudchaser | ok that didn't work |
| 19:15.18 | guised | ah |
| 19:15.24 | Cloudchaser | says it exists |
| 19:15.50 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: hang on I'll just try it here |
| 19:16.26 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: other way round - ln -s <existing file> <link file> |
| 19:16.40 | AndyQ | Always gets me :) |
| 19:17.26 | kergoth`zzz | morning |
| 19:17.39 | chouimat | hey kergy boy |
| 19:17.43 | Dessimat0r | w00t! Kergoth is back :D |
| 19:17.43 | Cloudchaser | thanks andy! |
| 19:17.49 | Cloudchaser | hiya kergoth! welcome back! |
| 19:17.49 | AndyQ | hey kergoth: have a good time? |
| 19:17.55 | Cloudchaser | better run while you can! |
| 19:17.56 | chouimat | kergoth`zzz: mpt at work? |
| 19:18.04 | chouimat | s/mpt/not |
| 19:18.07 | AndyQ | kergoth`out: did it drop off? :) |
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| 19:18.16 | kergoth`zzz | I took another day off to recover |
| 19:18.17 | kergoth`zzz | :) |
| 19:18.34 | weissi | hi, is it possible to etablish a network(tcp/ip) connection between 2 zaurus' via USB? |
| 19:18.49 | kergoth | weissi: fraid not, the Z is a usb device, not a usb host |
| 19:18.51 | AndyQ | kergoth: miss us ? :) |
| 19:19.13 | AndyQ | (like a hole in the head at a guess :) |
| 19:19.14 | kergoth | hah, the zaurus didnt even cross my mind ;) |
| 19:19.21 | kergoth | I love that fucking town |
| 19:19.28 | AndyQ | kergoth: good time huh? |
| 19:19.38 | chouimat | kergoth: hookers? |
| 19:19.54 | kergoth | chouimat: naw |
| 19:20.00 | AndyQ | trust choui to bring the tone down straight away :) |
| 19:20.07 | kergoth | the number of beautiful women, everywhere, is fucking amazing |
| 19:20.34 | kergoth | first day we hit comdex |
| 19:20.38 | kergoth | that show was pretty dead |
| 19:20.45 | kergoth | walked the entire thing, feet hurt like hell |
| 19:20.49 | chouimat | AndyQ: ok i'm politcaly uncorrect and so what ... |
| 19:20.53 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 19:20.55 | kergoth | then we nap for 3 hours, get up at 3am, and decide to walk the entire strip |
| 19:21.02 | Cloudchaser | ok andy remember i said i get error no dbase driver? looks like its these links here |
| 19:21.05 | weissi | kergoth: but can't you listen with a pppd-daemon on zaurus1 and dial to zaurus1 from zaurus2? |
| 19:21.09 | kergoth | so we do. up one side, down the other, and walked into every casino on the strip |
| 19:21.14 | Cloudchaser | that and the .desktop should do the trick |
| 19:21.25 | kergoth | weissi: its a -physical- limitation. a usb device cannot communicate with another usb device. |
| 19:21.31 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: excellent! |
| 19:22.14 | chouimat | weissi: you need an usb router to do that :) |
| 19:22.35 | weissi | argh, sorry, I mean IrDA ;-)) |
| 19:22.53 | kergoth | weissi: yes, that'll work fine |
| 19:23.03 | NightStar | Hey kergoth.. |
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| 19:23.58 | weissi | kergoth: cool, do you know if the pppd which is coming with the zaurus(std sharp rom) is sufficient? |
| 19:24.39 | kergoth | weissi: should work fine |
| 19:24.41 | kergoth | hey NightStar |
| 19:24.48 | NightStar | How was you trip? |
| 19:25.15 | kergoth | NightStar: so it turns out my suspicions were correct, and qt 2.3.4 has a BC problem with 2.3.2 eh? Thats a problem we need to take up with TT, as BC is supposed to be retained across minor versions. |
| 19:25.24 | kergoth | NightStar: it was great, had one hell of a good time |
| 19:25.26 | weissi | kergoth: cool :-)), is there a howto, doing that? because if I understand that, the zaurus-server has to emulate a modem, no? |
| 19:25.35 | ciao_linux | chouimat|lunch: it looks like in http://bugzilla.kernel.org/ there is nothing about usb-storage... why not you write something there? ;-) |
| 19:25.39 | kergoth | weissi: nope. |
| 19:25.53 | AndyQ | kergoth: I'd add trip details to the topic otherwise you'll be answer that question like a million times :) |
| 19:25.55 | kergoth | weissi: ppp runs over a serial connection.. whether that involves a modem or not is a seperate issue |
| 19:25.56 | NightStar | Yes, hancomword worded fine with 2.3.2, broken as hell with 2.3.4. |
| 19:26.03 | kergoth | AndyQ: true that |
| 19:26.04 | chouimat | ciao_linux: hehe |
| 19:26.12 | AndyQ | kergoth: just the juicy details mind :) |
| 19:26.40 | NightStar | You can put 2.3.2 on as a workaround, and you can get just Hancom Word to use it, but it's BIG |
| 19:26.50 | weissi | kergoth:ok, so, I start pppd with "pppd /dev/ttyS2 nodetach -d" on zaurus server and connect via the std-irda-ppp network option? |
| 19:26.56 | chouimat | AndyQ: hehehehehehehe |
| 19:26.57 | kergoth | NightStar: yep, hack, not a solution |
| 19:27.05 | kergoth | NightStar: :) |
| 19:27.05 | NightStar | Also if you have liquid theme then Hancom Word quites working. |
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| 19:27.31 | ciao_linux | chouimat: well it will take 5 min i guess, and you are surely more expert than me in that |
| 19:27.34 | ciao_linux | chouimat: : |
| 19:27.36 | ciao_linux | -) |
| 19:27.43 | NightStar | I agree.. We either need a hancom word compiled against 2.3.4 or the library needs to be backward compatable. |
| 19:27.45 | AndyQ | incidently I would like to add that that request was for chouimat - I'm not interested in juicy details (and if you believe that then you need shooting :) |
| 19:27.48 | kergoth | NightStar: precisely |
| 19:27.52 | chouimat | ciao_linux: but you english is better than mine :) |
| 19:28.11 | ciao_linux | chouimat: well i am not sure about that! :-) |
| 19:28.13 | JasonNJ | sup dudes. |
| 19:28.15 | guised | hmmm |
| 19:28.18 | NightStar | Or we just abandon Hancom altogeather and have an Opie-Word :) |
| 19:28.22 | kergoth | hey JasonNJ |
| 19:28.31 | chouimat | hey mister sharp |
| 19:28.44 | guised | after fsck does its thing, isn't it supposed to give me a "#" |
| 19:29.30 | chouimat | hmm that smocked meat was very goood |
| 19:30.01 | kergoth | coming back to 16 degree weather sucked |
| 19:30.04 | kergoth | i want to fucking go back |
| 19:30.04 | NightStar | Hey kergoth, I'm getting a Make error when I try to make OZ. |
| 19:30.06 | kergoth | ! |
| 19:30.09 | kergoth | NightStar: whats the error? |
| 19:30.18 | AndyQ | kergoth: glad to be back ? :) |
| 19:30.21 | NightStar | make[2]: *** [/home/mhjack/OpenZaurus/buildroot/stamps/.ipkg-x86.binary] Error 1 |
| 19:30.21 | NightStar | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mhjack/OpenZaurus/buildroot/packages/ipkg-x86' |
| 19:30.21 | NightStar | make[1]: *** [packages/ipkg-x86] Error 2 |
| 19:30.21 | NightStar | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mhjack/OpenZaurus/buildroot' |
| 19:30.21 | NightStar | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 19:30.34 | kergoth | AndyQ: fuck no! |
| 19:30.38 | kergoth | NightStar: thats not the actual error |
| 19:30.39 | AndyQ | can I say it - oh go on canI , can I |
| 19:30.44 | kergoth | NightStar: look farther up |
| 19:30.46 | AndyQ | damn beat me to it :) |
| 19:30.53 | NightStar | autoconf: configure.in: No such file or directory |
| 19:31.01 | AndyQ | kergoth: hehe |
| 19:31.02 | kergoth | NightStar: you need a newer autoconf |
| 19:31.07 | kergoth | NightStar: read docs/DEVEL |
| 19:31.15 | NightStar | Ok, thanks. |
| 19:31.43 | Twiun | kergoth: how was the work going on using mirrors for some of the file downloads? |
| 19:31.47 | AndyQ | kergoth: well, just to let you know the interesting stuff - TMM got fed up with ipkg and decided to fix it |
| 19:31.55 | kergoth | Twiun: we've got 3-4 mirrors in place atm |
| 19:31.59 | kergoth | AndyQ: spiffy |
| 19:32.00 | AndyQ | kergoth: most of the main bugs are sorted (upgrade) |
| 19:32.16 | Twiun | kergoth: I'm talking about the downloads from the buildroot |
| 19:32.24 | AndyQ | kergoth: and I converted aqpkg to use OProcess instead of popen so that aqpkg doesn't hang when installing |
| 19:32.47 | Twiun | kergoth: the source downloads |
| 19:32.48 | AndyQ | kergoth: oh yeah and in the process forgot to commit a file and broke the opie build - but thats sorted now :) |
| 19:33.19 | AndyQ | kergoth: and thats it |
| 19:33.28 | AndyQ | pretty quiet really |
| 19:33.38 | kergoth | Twiun: ahhh nothing there yet |
| 19:33.52 | Twiun | kergoth: ok... |
| 19:34.07 | kergoth | AndyQ: hehe. nice. converted cin/cout/cerr to qt container classes yet? :P |
| 19:34.13 | Cloudchaser | ok andy.. all gone.. now given all that .. should it install to sd card now? |
| 19:34.22 | guised | hmmm |
| 19:34.37 | guised | can anyone lend a minute with this fsck thing |
| 19:34.39 | AndyQ | kergoth: I'm now considering moving to QT classes instead of stdc++ |
| 19:34.42 | NightStar | docs/DEVEL doesn't say anything about autoconf.. |
| 19:34.45 | kergoth | AndyQ: yay :) |
| 19:34.54 | kergoth | NightStar: err, check docs/BUILD |
| 19:34.57 | AndyQ | Cloudchaser: good question - but don't have a clue - it SHOULD do |
| 19:35.00 | kergoth | NightStar: i forget where i put it |
| 19:35.02 | NightStar | OK |
| 19:35.14 | kergoth | ugh, i dont feel so good |
| 19:35.22 | kergoth | I started feeling sick in the airport about to leave for home |
| 19:35.23 | AndyQ | kergoth: shouldn't be too hard I don't think |
| 19:35.24 | mickeyl | hey kergoth! welcome back - how are you? |
| 19:35.25 | kergoth | i'm thinking its psychosomatic |
| 19:35.27 | kergoth | heh! |
| 19:35.28 | mickeyl | oh ... |
| 19:35.32 | AndyQ | kergoth: alcohol catching you up :) |
| 19:35.42 | AndyQ | kergoth: or lack of it |
| 19:35.43 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: glad you had a nice time ;) |
| 19:35.56 | kergoth | AndyQ: hah, possibly.. i dunno, i've never had a hangover in my life |
| 19:36.02 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: thanks :) |
| 19:36.05 | Cloudchaser | ooh lucky you! |
| 19:36.13 | AndyQ | kergoth: yeah - oh and we're - I mean chouimat is still waiting for the juicy details :) |
| 19:36.20 | kergoth | hah, yeah yeah |
| 19:36.22 | Cloudchaser | thats the only thing that saves me from being an alcoholic :) i get kick-ass hangovers |
| 19:36.33 | chouimat | ibot: lart AndyQ |
| 19:36.37 | AndyQ | kergoth: lucky bastard! I never used to but I get then now - its horrible I can tell you |
| 19:36.42 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 19:36.46 | kergoth | okay, so we're up till 2am the night before the flight, then wake up at 6am and head to the airport |
| 19:36.52 | kergoth | so we're running on 4 hours of sleep |
| 19:37.02 | kergoth | fly out to vegas, drop into the hotel, take off to comdex |
| 19:37.14 | kergoth | we get the brilliant idea to walk the entire show, every row, within hours |
| 19:37.16 | kergoth | so we do it |
| 19:37.21 | kergoth | (comdex was pretty dead, btw) |
| 19:37.50 | kergoth | then after like 5 hours, and really sore feet, we take off back to the hotel, nap for a few hours, then get up at 3am and have the brilliant idea to walk the entire strip |
| 19:37.51 | chouimat | kergoth: go see sunday userfriendly and you will know why :) |
| 19:38.13 | kergoth | so we do it. we walk up one side, down the other, and walk into every casino on the strip checking it all out |
| 19:38.21 | kergoth | we got back to the hotel around 10am, with REALLY sore feet |
| 19:38.22 | kergoth | heh! |
| 19:38.33 | kergoth | the rest of the trip sorta blurrs |
| 19:38.42 | kergoth | when the city never sleeps, there isnt much need to keep track of time |
| 19:38.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:38.47 | AndyQ | :) |
| 19:39.12 | kergoth | the rest consisted of at least 6 shows, lots of blackjack, b/sing with others at the tables, good food, and strip clubs |
| 19:40.58 | Cloudchaser | sounds like you had a great time there ;A0 |
| 19:41.15 | Cloudchaser | i was stationed out there..older son was born in vegas :) |
| 19:41.26 | chouimat | kergoth: http://ars.userfriendly.oprg/cartoons?id=2002124&mode=classic :) |
| 19:41.32 | chouimat | kergoth: http://ars.userfriendly.oprg/cartoons?id=20021124&mode=classic :) |
| 19:41.35 | AndyQ | vegas is one of my places I really want to go to |
| 19:45.01 | ciao_linux | chouimat: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17 |
| 19:45.15 | Cloudchaser | WOOOHOO!!! AndyQ saves the day! |
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| 19:45.42 | noda | Moo! |
| 19:45.57 | Cloudchaser | :) rekall installed properly and working!! :) |
| 19:46.54 | chouimat | ciao_linux: I think I will wait a little (aka 2.6pre ....) |
| 19:47.08 | chouimat | noda: MOOOOO! |
| 19:47.22 | ciao_linux | chouimat: a little? |
| 19:47.54 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: sandman has placed a workaround/fix for tkc display issues on csv for you |
| 19:48.06 | EditorGarfield | ping/ |
| 19:48.16 | noda | kergoth: Welcome back! I'd ask you how your trip went but 20 people have asked already I'm sure. And let's face it, it'd only be out of politeness anyway. |
| 19:48.30 | chouimat | noda: lol |
| 19:48.34 | AndyQ | noda: summed up in two words - strip shows :) |
| 19:48.47 | noda | :) |
| 19:49.13 | chouimat | hmmmm nothing likes other town boobs ....... |
| 19:49.36 | AndyQ | well, makes a change |
| 19:52.26 | Neo|Work | EditorGarfield: hey, got Motocross Stunt Racer for Zaurus nearing public release |
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| 20:02.22 | Cloudchaser | Neo|Work: is it all stylus controlled for accelerate and steering? |
| 20:02.58 | kergoth | man, my house is trashed |
| 20:03.08 | kergoth | I suppose I should do something productive today, like clean |
| 20:03.22 | ljp_work | hey there kergoth |
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| 20:03.32 | kergoth | hey ljp |
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| 20:03.41 | ljp_work | hookers had enough of you, eh? |
| 20:03.48 | ljp_work | :D |
| 20:03.50 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:04.00 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 20:04.06 | kergoth | i want to go back! |
| 20:04.13 | kergoth | you know what i like about vegas, among other things |
| 20:04.20 | kergoth | is that everyone is nice to you because they want your money |
| 20:04.24 | ljp_work | uhh women? |
| 20:04.24 | kergoth | so you know what they're intentions are |
| 20:04.31 | kergoth | in minnesota, everybody's nice for no reason |
| 20:04.35 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 20:04.37 | kergoth | so you dunno wtf their intentions are |
| 20:04.40 | kergoth | heh! |
| 20:04.52 | ljp_work | ya but the minute they find out you have no money.. out the door you go! |
| 20:05.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:05.26 | lsmith | hmm |
| 20:05.37 | ljp_work | I've beenfinding out just how much the audio driver needs rewritten |
| 20:05.38 | lsmith | trying to update any of the ssh packages takes ages ... |
| 20:05.43 | lsmith | from the unstable feed |
| 20:05.51 | NightStar | kergoth: You are in MN? |
| 20:05.59 | kergoth | ljp_work: but yes, the women there are amazing. I've never seen a city with that many beautiful women |
| 20:06.03 | kergoth | NightStar: yeah |
| 20:06.15 | NightStar | Where at? That's where I'm originally from... |
| 20:06.17 | ljp_work | money attracts women |
| 20:06.18 | AndyQ | kergoth: just want to say thanks again for 'forcing' me over to Debian - keep finding little things I like - like upgrading is a breeze :) |
| 20:06.22 | kergoth | NightStar: suburb of minneapolis |
| 20:06.28 | ljp_work | women are money magnets |
| 20:06.30 | kergoth | AndyQ: hehe. no problem |
| 20:06.38 | kergoth | ljp_work: good point |
| 20:06.48 | NightStar | I was born in St. Paul, but grew up in Eagan/Burnsville. |
| 20:07.08 | ljp_work | hopefully you could tell the real women from the hookers :) |
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| 20:07.21 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: hmm? you (can) use the stylus for steering (always) and one other function, normally accellerate |
| 20:07.24 | ljp_work | Eveleth! |
| 20:07.24 | AndyQ | lsmith: did you add the sync optio to the jffs entry in /etc/fstab? |
| 20:07.57 | kergoth | ljp_work: hah, its pretty easy to tell ;) |
| 20:08.03 | NightStar | kergoth: Are you old enough to know what MECC is? |
| 20:08.41 | kergoth | NightStar: doubt it, doesnt ring a bell |
| 20:09.08 | NightStar | It's the education computer system that MN had back in the 70's and 80's. |
| 20:09.09 | lsmith | jffs2 ..? |
| 20:09.22 | AndyQ | lsmith: I take it that means no :) |
| 20:09.29 | AndyQ | OK, what you do is esdit /etc/fstab |
| 20:09.38 | lsmith | hehe ... hmm some package must have updated the fstab however |
| 20:09.48 | AndyQ | and the line that mentions jffs, add a ,sync after defaults |
| 20:09.51 | lsmith | because there are "sync" in some places |
| 20:10.20 | AndyQ | lsmith so it looks something like: /dev/mtdblock4/ jffs2defaults,sync1 1 |
| 20:10.25 | lsmith | yeah |
| 20:10.33 | ljp_work | good thing that option isnt 'bathtub' |
| 20:10.42 | lsmith | i checked if i added sync yesterday .. saw it in two palces |
| 20:10.45 | lsmith | and thought i did |
| 20:10.52 | AndyQ | tlsmith: that is meant to make things quicker |
| 20:10.54 | lsmith | seems like some package did those entries for me |
| 20:11.10 | AndyQ | lsmith: the jffs line shouldn't have been altered to my knowledge |
| 20:11.19 | lsmith | ah k |
| 20:11.28 | lsmith | well i now manually added it |
| 20:11.48 | lsmith | and then i have to do a mount -a ? |
| 20:11.57 | AndyQ | lsmith: i think you also need a reboot |
| 20:12.03 | AndyQ | to pik the changes up |
| 20:12.05 | NightStar | kergoth: BUILD says I need gzip 1.3.2, will gzip 1.3.3 work? |
| 20:12.18 | kergoth | mount -t jffs2 -o rw,sync,defaults,remount / |
| 20:12.34 | kergoth | NightStar: yep, should be fine |
| 20:13.10 | AndyQ | kergoth: will that update fstab as well? |
| 20:13.25 | AndyQ | Dess|Sleep: what already? its only 20:17! |
| 20:13.25 | kergoth | AndyQ: no, that just adds sync to the current mount |
| 20:13.34 | AndyQ | kergoth: ahh k |
| 20:13.35 | kergoth | AndyQ: so 1) edit fstab, 2) either reboot or do the previous command i pasted |
| 20:13.38 | kergoth | just saves a reboot |
| 20:13.48 | AndyQ | fairy snuff |
| 20:16.54 | lsmith | k .. |
| 20:21.03 | Cloudchaser | Neo|Work: thank you.. but can you use the d-pad and hardware keys to steer/accelerate? |
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| 20:24.58 | lsmith | would something like this work?: |
| 20:25.01 | lsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.11 | lsmith | do add all packages that are installed on my sd? |
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| 20:25.56 | kergoth | lsmith: ipkg-link mount sd |
| 20:26.03 | lsmith | ah thx |
| 20:26.07 | aman | kergoth hey! |
| 20:26.19 | kergoth | aman: hey |
| 20:26.19 | aman | checkout my ipkg fixes? |
| 20:26.31 | kergoth | naw, havent had a chance |
| 20:26.32 | aman | how was vegas |
| 20:26.34 | kergoth | i'm recovering |
| 20:26.46 | kergoth | great. its an amazing town |
| 20:26.46 | aman | http://www.themastermind1.net/ipkg-works-demo.txt |
| 20:26.50 | aman | awesome |
| 20:26.51 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: yes, it's configurable |
| 20:26.51 | Cloudchaser | aman: i did get rekall installed...with AndyQ's help |
| 20:26.53 | aman | make some money? |
| 20:26.59 | Cloudchaser | Neo|Work: very cool :) |
| 20:27.00 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: well, by default it should work |
| 20:27.01 | aman | Cloudchaser: awesome |
| 20:27.04 | aman | what was the problem |
| 20:27.06 | kergoth | aman: only like $70, but thats better than losing money :) |
| 20:27.08 | Neo|Work | but I think it makes the game more or less impossible. :P |
| 20:27.15 | Cloudchaser | aman: many things left behind on uninstall |
| 20:27.21 | aman | yea, thought so |
| 20:27.21 | Cloudchaser | bad symlinks to sd card |
| 20:27.27 | Cloudchaser | .desktop file |
| 20:27.29 | aman | hopefully that's all fixed in the new ipkg |
| 20:27.35 | aman | i'm going to be fixing the linking stuff too |
| 20:27.36 | aman | later |
| 20:27.39 | Cloudchaser | doesn't appear it was |
| 20:27.45 | Cloudchaser | since i've got the new one |
| 20:28.01 | Cloudchaser | unless it was too late |
| 20:28.05 | Cloudchaser | for that uninstall |
| 20:28.18 | Cloudchaser | i will find out when i do the next updates |
| 20:29.47 | Cloudchaser | Neo|Work: that might be the case but since i scratched my screen i'm leery of using stylus to "drive" with, since that's what my niece was doing when my stylus scratched it |
| 20:30.31 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: you should try out some of those screen-protector type things... |
| 20:30.44 | Cloudchaser | i have one somewhere |
| 20:30.53 | Cloudchaser | but i don't like the patterns |
| 20:31.19 | Cloudchaser | makes the screen harder to see from what i read |
| 20:31.23 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: yup, agreed. |
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| 20:32.52 | Cloudchaser | numatrix: i did toss my sharp stylus though |
| 20:33.00 | Cloudchaser | and got some nice visor ones |
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| 20:35.42 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: Oh, I understand your reasoning |
| 20:38.08 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 20:39.01 | Cloudchaser | its a very nice game though, the motocross |
| 20:40.17 | Neo|Work | it's nice because it starts out relatively easy and then gets harder so even the best gets challenged |
| 20:40.35 | Cloudchaser | haha your games are all hard to me |
| 20:40.54 | Neo|Work | rocketelite is hard++ |
| 20:41.10 | Cloudchaser | i think i lasted the longest on IF |
| 20:41.15 | Neo|Work | in MSR and Bust'em you can "continue" where you were |
| 20:41.40 | Neo|Work | IF is quite tricky for two main reasons - the ship tends to be in the way (aiming is hard) and stearing is hard in general. :P |
| 20:41.46 | Neo|Work | mainly because of the aiming issue |
| 20:41.56 | Cloudchaser | yes i didn't get alot of points |
| 20:42.02 | Cloudchaser | but i managed not to crash right off ;) |
| 20:42.09 | Cloudchaser | and got a few passes back and forth |
| 20:42.25 | Cloudchaser | steering was so bad though |
| 20:42.34 | Cloudchaser | it was actually hitting anything that was tough :) |
| 20:46.55 | Neo|Work | problem with IF is that you need to kill things to get powerups or it'll get really hard later |
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| 20:47.37 | Cloudchaser | i see them too late :) |
| 20:47.40 | aman | hey |
| 20:47.46 | Cloudchaser | but its fun anyway |
| 20:48.10 | AndyQ | lo aman |
| 20:48.11 | aman | opie and fbvnc in the buildroot don't build - bad patches |
| 20:48.22 | aman | the new libc that's on by default won't build with 2.95.x |
| 20:48.36 | aman | kismet_curses doesn't run in unstable |
| 20:48.41 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: you can turn around and pick them up. :-P |
| 20:48.50 | Cloudchaser | oh! hehe thanks ;) |
| 20:49.13 | Neo|Work | using eon config you can configure the keys |
| 20:50.06 | aman | err, anyway gtg |
| 20:50.30 | aman | beattie any luck with kaffe? |
| 20:50.43 | aman | bbeattie did you try our mplayer with xxms |
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| 20:51.36 | beattie | aman: kaffe is fine, awt-qt has given me fits with libtool |
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| 20:54.51 | AndyQ | beattie: does swing work with kaffe? |
| 20:55.30 | beattie | AndyQ: don't know |
| 20:57.10 | Twiun | AndyQ: the mailing lists say that it's doable |
| 20:57.30 | Twiun | but Swing on anything without an fpu is asking for trouble |
| 20:58.43 | Twiun | and that Thinlet gui toolkit is only marginally faster than Swing - it had size as the primary design criteria though, not speed |
| 21:02.09 | benmeyer | http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtmlshtml |
| 21:02.13 | benmeyer | http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtml |
| 21:03.28 | ciao_columbia | benmeyer: nice... how much will it be in japan? |
| 21:03.31 | [PRiME] | that thing is too big |
| 21:03.51 | Twiun | benmeyer: lol, is that Liquid it's running? |
| 21:04.07 | benmeyer | no clue |
| 21:04.22 | benmeyer | either way that battery life isn't that great |
| 21:04.24 | smee|h | doesnt that page imply US availability? I thought that was a Japan only product |
| 21:04.36 | benmeyer | it is a Japan only product |
| 21:04.39 | ciao_columbia | benmeyer: the website says 699... can it be true? |
| 21:04.47 | benmeyer | yes |
| 21:05.01 | benmeyer | 1 hour battery life... |
| 21:05.01 | ciao_columbia | benmeyer: have you ever seen that? |
| 21:05.04 | benmeyer | yes |
| 21:05.13 | smee|h | ah ok - thought that was a US phone number |
| 21:05.25 | ciao_columbia | benmeyer: is it much bigger than the zaurus 5500 |
| 21:05.26 | [PRiME] | anyone else think that zaurus is too big? I couldn't carry it in my pocket |
| 21:06.00 | ciao_columbia | [PRiME]: no... i can carry it in my pocket.. the problem will be in the summer |
| 21:06.29 | [PRiME] | really... what are the dimensions? |
| 21:06.34 | [PRiME] | it seriously looks huge |
| 21:07.10 | ciao_columbia | it looks as big as the 5500 to me |
| 21:07.27 | ciao_columbia | picture of the hand |
| 21:07.29 | Cloudchaser | hehe i got 5200 points Neo|Work! on IF :) |
| 21:07.37 | Cloudchaser | thats alot for me ;) |
| 21:07.42 | [PRiME] | maybe the keyboard is screwing me up |
| 21:08.06 | Cloudchaser | i think the zaurus is just right :0 |
| 21:08.12 | Cloudchaser | size-wise that is |
| 21:08.44 | [PRiME] | that "mini tablet" one has 640*480 res |
| 21:08.51 | Cloudchaser | i want one of those too |
| 21:08.53 | ciao_columbia | it would be nice if it has a monitor port |
| 21:09.00 | chouimat | hehehehe herculez with os/360 is fun to have on his Z |
| 21:09.10 | Cloudchaser | well the c700 one i want |
| 21:09.31 | ciao_columbia | Cloudchaser: i will buy one for you when i go to japan (next march)... |
| 21:09.37 | chouimat | now I can said to people look a Pocket Mainframe :P |
| 21:09.42 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 21:09.47 | [PRiME] | when is the 400MHz Zaurus going to be here? |
| 21:09.53 | [PRiME] | the 5600 |
| 21:09.54 | Cloudchaser | if i get a job before that ciao_columbia |
| 21:10.20 | ciao_linux | Cloudchaser: :-) |
| 21:10.47 | billytwowilly | [PRiME]: www.sharp-usa.com |
| 21:11.41 | billytwowilly | if you go check out the info on the 5600 you'll notive a little red tag that says "available early 2003" |
| 21:12.06 | AndyQ | gtg - later |
| 21:12.13 | [PRiME] | oh :P |
| 21:12.24 | [PRiME] | sorry I probably should have checked... :P |
| 21:12.25 | ciao_linux | my bro is looking for a pda that is also a mobile (or viceversa): which one would you suggest? |
| 21:13.14 | [PRiME] | I think I will (painfully) hold off on a Zaurus until the new one comes out then |
| 21:13.32 | ciao_linux | windows CE or palm Os? which one is the less worse? |
| 21:14.06 | [PRiME] | Do they make Palm Phones? |
| 21:14.13 | billytwowilly | ciao_linux: the 5500;) |
| 21:14.14 | [PRiME] | I thought it was only Pocket PC... |
| 21:14.29 | [PRiME] | check out Treo I guess |
| 21:14.32 | billytwowilly | hack something together with the 5500;) |
| 21:15.53 | [PRiME] | once the 5600 comes out, the 5500 should cost less, right? |
| 21:16.01 | [PRiME] | or has the price drop already happened |
| 21:16.15 | ciao_linux | whas os does pocket pc have? ce right? |
| 21:16.16 | ciao_linux | billytwowilly: i am dreaming of that... but there is nothing like that at the moment (except for sprint of course) |
| 21:16.35 | ciao_linux | it is already 250$ i believe that it cannot go lower than that... but it is possible that they will remove it from the market |
| 21:16.42 | [PRiME] | ack |
| 21:16.46 | [PRiME] | remove?? |
| 21:16.55 | ciao_linux | well i guess |
| 21:16.57 | [PRiME] | it's $250 at that zaurusvip site |
| 21:17.03 | [PRiME] | which doesn't ship to Canada |
| 21:17.14 | ciao_linux | who would buy a 5500 if there is a 5600 |
| 21:17.16 | ciao_linux | right |
| 21:17.20 | [PRiME] | yeah |
| 21:17.26 | [PRiME] | but that's why it would be cheaper |
| 21:17.28 | nasa | does anyone know why MaxMame doesn't |
| 21:17.28 | [PRiME] | I was thinking |
| 21:17.32 | nasa | work |
| 21:24.40 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 21:24.49 | [PRiME] | hi |
| 21:25.32 | TheMasterMind1 | more libtool fun.. joy |
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| 21:26.16 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: working on beattie's libtool problems? |
| 21:26.32 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess |
| 21:26.39 | Twiun | lol |
| 21:26.42 | TheMasterMind1 | we've been struggling with libtool for a while now |
| 21:33.00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: around/ |
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| 21:33.44 | TheMasterMind1 | hey BZFlag |
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| 21:52.53 | benmeyer | How do you build a src rpm? |
| 21:53.02 | chouimat | rpm -ba |
| 21:53.05 | MarkMorga | hello ppl |
| 21:53.06 | MarkMorga | can someone please tell me how i can iupdate my opie install - i have an internet connection to my zaurus |
| 21:53.25 | MarkMorga | i have a live internet connection to my zaurus |
| 21:53.27 | MarkMorga | and would like to upgrade my opie install. |
| 21:53.32 | ciao_linux | TheMasterMind1: why in general, playing an avi file needs -idx and time to have an index? this is not the case in win |
| 21:53.48 | TheMasterMind1 | win? |
| 21:54.08 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: go to aqpkg, do refresh list, then click upgrade |
| 21:54.12 | ciao_linux | windows with any avi player |
| 21:54.16 | MarkMorga | than ks master |
| 21:54.24 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: but first, in console.. |
| 21:54.32 | TheMasterMind1 | mount -o remount,rw,sync / |
| 21:54.49 | nasa | Does anyone know hwy NeoCal 1.5.2 doesn't work with oz3? |
| 21:55.53 | MarkMorga | thanks master - trying it now.... |
| 21:56.37 | MarkMorga | mastermins it says 'upgrading installed packages' - but when i hit 'start' i just get error messages |
| 21:58.41 | MarkMorga | sorry to be a pain |
| 21:58.48 | MarkMorga | am i missing anythging ? |
| 22:00.25 | MarkMorga | Mastermind -you there ?? |
| 22:08.44 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: ? |
| 22:08.50 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: what error messages? |
| 22:08.58 | TheMasterMind1 | oh scrap, you have the old ipkg still |
| 22:09.08 | TheMasterMind1 | do that mount command |
| 22:09.12 | MarkMorga | hi master |
| 22:09.14 | TheMasterMind1 | then in console |
| 22:09.18 | MarkMorga | yes? |
| 22:09.27 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg install http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/ipks/ipkg_20021125-1_arm.ipk |
| 22:09.33 | TheMasterMind1 | then from console, ipkg upgrade |
| 22:09.34 | TheMasterMind1 | try that |
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| 22:10.28 | nasa | What's new with the ipkg? |
| 22:10.43 | TheMasterMind1 | i fixed a lot of bugs |
| 22:10.47 | TheMasterMind1 | look at the demo in the topic |
| 22:10.56 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.themastermind1.net/ipkg-works-demo.txt |
| 22:11.08 | MarkMorga | master -- i cannot get the tilde sign |
| 22:11.10 | MarkMorga | !! |
| 22:11.16 | MarkMorga | it is greyed out on my keyboard |
| 22:11.17 | ibz | TheMasterMind1: hi |
| 22:11.26 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: um.. i dunno what to tell you |
| 22:11.29 | TheMasterMind1 | ssh in and do it? |
| 22:11.31 | TheMasterMind1 | ibz: hey |
| 22:11.41 | MarkMorga | ah good idea |
| 22:11.43 | TheMasterMind1 | its easier to do stuff if you ssh in anyway |
| 22:11.54 | TheMasterMind1 | make sure your / is mounted with the sync option |
| 22:11.59 | TheMasterMind1 | type mount and check its output |
| 22:12.02 | ibz | TheMasterMind1: #openzaurus, when your done...got a few questions |
| 22:12.15 | TheMasterMind1 | ibz: eh? ask away.. |
| 22:12.22 | ibz | TheMasterMind1: ok |
| 22:12.31 | TheMasterMind1 | btw, anyone still trying to get X working on OZ? |
| 22:12.31 | MarkMorga | your right. how do i mount / ?? |
| 22:12.37 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: what does it say |
| 22:12.38 | nasa | The new ipkg actually reads the status files on all the mounted volumes? |
| 22:12.42 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: yep |
| 22:12.51 | MarkMorga | get this error |
| 22:12.51 | MarkMorga | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for ipkg: |
| 22:12.51 | MarkMorga | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.51 | MarkMorga | This could mean that your package list is out of date, (try "ipkg update"), |
| 22:12.52 | MarkMorga | or that the packages mentioned above do not yet exist. |
| 22:12.52 | nasa | SWEET! |
| 22:13.00 | MarkMorga | master - how do i mount / |
| 22:13.06 | MarkMorga | (im ssh'ed in) |
| 22:13.11 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: hmmf, ipkg -force-depends install http://...ipkg.ipk |
| 22:13.17 | TheMasterMind1 | add the -force-depends |
| 22:13.24 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: type "mount" and paste its output here |
| 22:13.30 | TheMasterMind1 | just the line that says jff2 on it |
| 22:13.35 | TheMasterMind1 | not all the output |
| 22:13.36 | MarkMorga | ok |
| 22:13.40 | ibz | TheMasterMind1: what does ipkg do with respect to symlinks on root to sd/cf/ram? |
| 22:14.00 | MarkMorga | thanks master |
| 22:14.01 | MarkMorga | # mount |
| 22:14.01 | MarkMorga | /dev/mtdblock4 on / type jffs2 (rw,sync) |
| 22:14.01 | MarkMorga | proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 22:14.01 | MarkMorga | devpts on /mnt/devpts type devpts (rw) |
| 22:14.01 | MarkMorga | /dev/mtdblock6 on /mnt/ram type ext2 (rw) |
| 22:14.03 | TheMasterMind1 | ibz: nothing yet. i was going to make it create symlinks on install and delete on removal. anyother ideas etc? |
| 22:14.03 | MarkMorga | ramfs on /var type ramfs (rw) |
| 22:14.05 | MarkMorga | ramfs on /dev type ramfs (rw) |
| 22:14.07 | ibz | TheMasterMind1: when removing, or upgrading packages |
| 22:14.07 | MarkMorga | /dev/hda1 on /mnt/cf type vfat (rw,sync,noatime) |
| 22:14.08 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: ok, that's fine. |
| 22:14.15 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: its mounted with sync so it will work |
| 22:14.21 | MarkMorga | but... |
| 22:14.25 | MarkMorga | oh ok |
| 22:14.50 | ibz | TheMasterMind1: so, if someone has symlinks installed on root for an app on sd... |
| 22:15.00 | TheMasterMind1 | ibz: hmm, when upgrading i guess what i'll do is similar to what it does with the files.. remove any obsolete ones and add ones for any that are new files? actually it recreates all the files so it'll just recreate symlinks and fail if one exists already |
| 22:15.05 | TheMasterMind1 | silently fail ofcourse |
| 22:15.10 | ibz | TheMasterMind1: then reinstalls for the app on cf...it won't work? |
| 22:15.25 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, true |
| 22:15.32 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't really see a solution either |
| 22:15.33 | TheMasterMind1 | have one? |
| 22:15.47 | MarkMorga | Mastermind |
| 22:15.48 | MarkMorga | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.48 | MarkMorga | Upgrading ipkg from 0.99.37-20021030-1 to 20021125-1 |
| 22:15.48 | MarkMorga | ipkg: /usr/lib/ipkg/info/ipkg.control: No space left on device |
| 22:15.48 | MarkMorga | ipkg: /usr/bin/ipkg: No space left on device |
| 22:15.50 | TheMasterMind1 | if they install onto SD, remove sd and then install it on the CF without the SD being in, and the symlinks are still there pointing to SD it won't work |
| 22:15.58 | nasa | TheMasterMind1: does this mean I can do a "ipkg upgrade" with everything mounted? |
| 22:15.59 | ibz | TheMasterMind1: hmmn. not a clean one. |
| 22:15.59 | MarkMorga | can i clear space easily ? |
| 22:16.01 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: wtf, type df |
| 22:16.07 | MarkMorga | ok |
| 22:16.07 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: yep |
| 22:16.18 | TheMasterMind1 | what does it say for / in df |
| 22:16.20 | MarkMorga | # df |
| 22:16.20 | TheMasterMind1 | how much free |
| 22:16.21 | MarkMorga | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 22:16.24 | MarkMorga | # df |
| 22:16.24 | MarkMorga | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 22:16.27 | MarkMorga | sorry hang on |
| 22:16.52 | MarkMorga | oops |
| 22:16.59 | ibz | TheMasterMind1: other than reading the symlinks to see if they point to a file owned by a package you are handling...then replace. |
| 22:17.16 | MarkMorga | it says /dev/mtdblock4 14464 14296 168 99% / |
| 22:17.18 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, i guess i'll do that |
| 22:17.22 | MarkMorga | 99! |
| 22:17.28 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: ick, what did you install on there?! |
| 22:17.33 | ibz | TheMasterMind1: you talking to me? |
| 22:17.41 | MarkMorga | just opie :( and a vnc server and konqueror |
| 22:17.44 | TheMasterMind1 | ibz: yea, that sounds like a good idea |
| 22:17.51 | MarkMorga | and i have a 32mb cf card ! |
| 22:17.51 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: should install those things onto mtdram or cf or sd |
| 22:18.00 | MarkMorga | oh i see |
| 22:18.10 | MarkMorga | ok i should uninstall them yeah ? |
| 22:18.16 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 22:18.25 | MarkMorga | then ipkg install -mtdram or something ??? |
| 22:18.27 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg remove konqueror-....blah |
| 22:18.32 | TheMasterMind1 | then upgradeipkg |
| 22:18.36 | TheMasterMind1 | then ipkg -d mtdram install |
| 22:18.55 | TheMasterMind1 | hm, what do you guys say about making default install location ram? cept that won't work when they have a ramless zimage |
| 22:19.00 | bbeattie | aman: I havn't had a chance to tinker yet |
| 22:19.05 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: alright |
| 22:22.03 | TheMasterMind1 | cept ofcourse when you're stupid and you do -force_space |
| 22:22.10 | MarkMorga | hey can i uninstall konquerur via gui |
| 22:22.11 | ibz | TheMasterMind1: yeah, i agree...if /dev/mtdblock doesn't exist or whatver...install to /root |
| 22:22.33 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: yes |
| 22:22.56 | MarkMorga | master - its weird - i cd to root - look in DOcuments...but there is nothing there !! |
| 22:23.10 | TheMasterMind1 | so? there isn't supposed to be.. |
| 22:23.29 | MarkMorga | so where has all my hdd space gone ? |
| 22:23.39 | MarkMorga | where was all the stuff like konqueror ?? |
| 22:23.50 | TheMasterMind1 | its installed in /opt/ |
| 22:23.55 | MarkMorga | thaqnks |
| 22:24.02 | TheMasterMind1 | just ipkg remove it |
| 22:24.05 | TheMasterMind1 | or use the gui ipkg manager |
| 22:24.39 | MarkMorga | thanks |
| 22:27.09 | EditorGarfield | Someone mentioned my name since I last looked at this window, but it was so long ago that it scrolled off the screen. |
| 22:27.17 | EditorGarfield | Who was it? Answer, hethen! |
| 22:27.21 | MarkMorga | master how much space should i aim to have free ?? |
| 22:27.24 | EditorGarfield | WHO CALLS THE GARFIELD! |
| 22:27.29 | TheMasterMind1 | half a meg or so |
| 22:27.47 | MarkMorga | thanks |
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| 22:28.58 | MarkMorga | oh this is great...:(( |
| 22:29.08 | MarkMorga | ipkg: No such file or directory |
| 22:30.11 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? how'd you manage that? |
| 22:30.22 | MarkMorga | not quite sure... |
| 22:30.47 | MarkMorga | and there is something in usr/lib/ipkg |
| 22:31.10 | MarkMorga | but no usr/bin/ipkg.... |
| 22:31.13 | MarkMorga | should there be ? |
| 22:31.23 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 22:31.29 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno how you manged to get rid of ipkg |
| 22:31.32 | TheMasterMind1 | usually not a good thing |
| 22:31.34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 22:31.35 | MarkMorga | hmm |
| 22:31.47 | MarkMorga | could you pls tell me where i can get it ? |
| 22:32.09 | TheMasterMind1 | did you get rid of konq and stuff? |
| 22:32.12 | TheMasterMind1 | have space now? |
| 22:32.39 | TheMasterMind1 | do |
| 22:32.53 | MarkMorga | yes |
| 22:32.56 | MarkMorga | i have 2 mb free |
| 22:33.01 | MarkMorga | im using 84 % now |
| 22:33.01 | TheMasterMind1 | cd /; wget http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/ipks/ipkg_20021125-1_arm.ipk; ar -x ipkg_20021125-1_arm.ipk; tar zxvf data.tar.gz |
| 22:33.08 | MarkMorga | ok |
| 22:33.10 | TheMasterMind1 | that should install ipkg back |
| 22:33.41 | MarkMorga | u are a genius :) |
| 22:33.45 | MarkMorga | ok what now ? |
| 22:33.57 | MarkMorga | -rwxr-xr-x 0/0 83524 Nov 25 2002 ./usr/bin/ipkg |
| 22:34.22 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:34.22 | TheMasterMind1 | now |
| 22:34.27 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg update |
| 22:34.31 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg upgrade |
| 22:34.31 | MarkMorga | ok |
| 22:34.34 | MarkMorga | from the console |
| 22:34.59 | MarkMorga | hmm |
| 22:35.08 | MarkMorga | its just listed everything and said 'its up to date !!!' |
| 22:35.57 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, well its all up to date then |
| 22:36.05 | TheMasterMind1 | you want to update to unstable feed? |
| 22:36.21 | MarkMorga | pleas |
| 22:36.22 | MarkMorga | e |
| 22:36.43 | MarkMorga | how do i do that ?? |
| 22:36.56 | TheMasterMind1 | edit /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 22:37.06 | TheMasterMind1 | src oz3 http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/unstable |
| 22:37.13 | TheMasterMind1 | change your src oz3 .... line to taht one |
| 22:37.18 | MarkMorga | ok |
| 22:38.22 | TheMasterMind1 | then ipkg update; ipkg upgrade |
| 22:39.03 | TheMasterMind1 | and then you can go to the aqpkg gui and install the konq stuff to mtdram |
| 22:39.09 | MarkMorga | let me do it now |
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| 22:42.11 | guised|class | great googli-moogli! |
| 22:42.27 | MarkMorga | master - thanks ever so much :)) seems to be doing something !! |
| 22:42.38 | MarkMorga | can i learn sed and awk on a zaurus ??? |
| 22:43.08 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe |
| 22:43.17 | guised | can anyone tell me why konsole stops responding in the middle of e2fsck-ing? |
| 22:45.24 | TheMasterMind1 | no clue |
| 22:45.39 | guised | is there any special command i should be doing? |
| 22:45.55 | ljp_work | cause the north magnetic pole of the earth changes |
| 22:46.18 | guised | oh yeah, i forgot about that... |
| 22:46.23 | guised | maybe it time that i found a new chant |
| 22:46.24 | guised | eh? |
| 22:47.47 | ljp_work | no, you dont chant loud enough |
| 22:50.13 | guised | i doubt that... |
| 22:50.14 | guised | heh |
| 22:54.21 | Twiun | why does qte depend on opie in the buildroot? |
| 22:54.48 | TheMasterMind1 | because they have interdependencies |
| 22:54.52 | TheMasterMind1 | qte needs to be patched |
| 22:54.56 | Twiun | urgh |
| 22:54.59 | TheMasterMind1 | with patches that are in opie's sources |
| 22:55.22 | TheMasterMind1 | took me a while to get that working right |
| 22:55.37 | Twiun | I can't build opie though, keeps complaining I've already applied patches |
| 22:55.43 | Twiun | this is from a clean buildroot |
| 22:55.50 | TheMasterMind1 | yea.. its broked :) |
| 22:55.54 | TheMasterMind1 | wait for kergoth to fix it |
| 22:55.55 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 22:56.21 | Twiun | gee thanks... so do I just break the opie dependency - I don't need opie... I just want to link against qte |
| 22:56.38 | TheMasterMind1 | you can try |
| 22:56.50 | Twiun | oh dear |
| 22:57.13 | Twiun | I'm gonna be bald by the time I get qtawt working |
| 22:57.22 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:57.39 | Twiun | hrmm... ok, I'll build my java vm as a qws server... sod opie |
| 22:57.48 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 22:59.02 | Twiun | I'm sure I'll remember to make -qws optional... |
| 22:59.05 | Twiun | ... maybe |
| 23:00.29 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: ok... so which file do I edit to stop the opie dependency? |
| 23:01.14 | TheMasterMind1 | if only it was that simple.. |
| 23:01.56 | Twiun | ok... so do I just expand the qte tarball somewhere else, xcompile it and use that? |
| 23:02.11 | TheMasterMind1 | i doubt that will work right |
| 23:02.19 | TheMasterMind1 | just wait for kergoth, seriously |
| 23:03.11 | Twiun | my joblessness is only going to last so long though... and I know he's got lots on - this won't be top priority |
| 23:06.19 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: where are you? |
| 23:06.21 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen kergoth |
| 23:06.23 | | kergoth is currently on #opie (13h 54m) #uclibc (13h 54m) #picogui (13h 54m) #tuxscreen (13h 54m) #zaurus (13h 54m) #handhelds.org (13h 54m) #openzaurus (13h 54m). Has said a total of 119 messages. Is idling for 2h 39m 17s |
| 23:08.36 | Twiun | lol |
| 23:18.26 | billytwowilly | thought kergot was in vegas.. |
| 23:18.31 | billytwowilly | kergoth |
| 23:20.30 | Twiun | billytwowilly: he's back... get in line though... we all want a piece of him :-D |
| 23:21.20 | billytwowilly | heh, I don't need him, just trying to be helpful, as I seeth with frustration... |
| 23:21.37 | TheMasterMind1 | he came backtoday |
| 23:22.21 | billytwowilly | win anything? is he gonna be able to sit back and develop openzaurus full time?;) |
| 23:22.58 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, he made $70 |
| 23:23.56 | billytwowilly | heh, so no, he won't be developing full time;) |
| 23:29.39 | hunger | How do I configure OZ? |
| 23:30.03 | hunger | I try make menuconfig and get only "nothing was saved" or something equally non-menuish. |
| 23:33.37 | hunger | CVS from OZ us unuseable. |
| 23:33.54 | kergoth`errands | hunger: you're right, cvs from oz is unusable, becaues we dont use cvs. |
| 23:34.04 | kergoth`errands | hunger: that buildroot is at least a couple months old, and is untouched. |
| 23:34.16 | hunger | kergoth`errands: That's bad. |
| 23:34.18 | kergoth`errands | hunger: read the topic of this channel, and refer to the mentioned ibot factoids. |
| 23:34.29 | kergoth`errands | er |
| 23:34.36 | kergoth`errands | not topic, but chanserv welcome message, i mean |
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| 23:35.19 | kergoth`errands | 17:05 < kergoth`errands> not topic, but chanserv welcome message, i mean |
| 23:35.38 | kergoth`errands | Before asking questions, please ask |
| 23:35.39 | kergoth`errands | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.40 | | You are moron #2, kergoth`errands |
| 23:36.32 | hunger | kergoth`out: Where can I get a new version now? BK is not an option. |
| 23:36.40 | kergoth`errands | hunger: ask ibot about oz snapshot |
| 23:36.42 | kergoth`errands | hunger: RTFM. |
| 23:36.46 | kergoth`errands | hunger: as i said, read the ibot factoids. |
| 23:36.50 | kergoth`errands | i wrote them for a reason |
| 23:37.16 | kergoth`errands | i'm not going to handhold you through this |
| 23:38.17 | billytwowilly | also check out www.openzaurus.org. some of the best info on the net. |
| 23:40.45 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
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| 23:50.48 | noda | Moo! |
