| 00:00.40 | noda | Woo! I've hit 500 words on this boring essay :) |
| 00:04.46 | hunger | How do I add a new lib to the menuconfig? |
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| 00:27.45 | Cloudchaser | ok dumb newbie question here |
| 00:28.17 | Cloudchaser | ah nm |
| 00:28.24 | Cloudchaser | i've used up my quota for today |
| 00:31.30 | ljp | hmm |
| 00:38.13 | chouimat | ewwwwww, maybe it's time to change the cat food |
| 00:38.30 | ljp | hehehe |
| 00:39.54 | chouimat | or stop puting Bourbon in is milk |
| 00:41.24 | ljp | this cat really likes trying to get the cursor |
| 00:41.46 | chouimat | ljp: hehe |
| 00:42.17 | ljp | I should get my video camera out some time |
| 00:42.51 | ljp | change the cursor to a mouse icon |
| 00:45.16 | ljp | my cat just ran make! |
| 00:46.08 | ljp | my kitty is a developer! |
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| 00:46.22 | noda | Moo! |
| 00:46.42 | chouimat | noda: peeee! |
| 00:46.58 | ljp | yyeee haaw! cow tippin'! |
| 00:52.22 | Twiun | lol |
| 00:52.35 | Twiun | ljp: so we're taking it in turns now? |
| 00:52.41 | chouimat | Twiun: any news from the java front? |
| 00:53.30 | Twiun | yeah... the agent said to stop pestering him until friday :-\ |
| 00:53.51 | chouimat | Twiun: agent? |
| 00:54.16 | Twiun | me<->agent<->potential employers |
| 00:54.23 | Twiun | job agencies suck |
| 00:54.32 | chouimat | Twiun: I know |
| 00:55.45 | Twiun | so... I'm spending time tweaking all I can in my qtawt source tree, I'm blocked by the qte<->opie circular dependency |
| 00:56.18 | chouimat|eat | Twiun: do two libs |
| 00:56.45 | Twiun | chouimat|eat: wish I could... problem is that buildroot opie is b0rken |
| 00:56.57 | Twiun | so neither qte/opie build |
| 01:00.22 | Twiun | and TMM's opinion is that I should wait for kergoth to fix it |
| 01:06.38 | Neo|Work | kergoth: ok, this SD lockup stuff bugs me. Is there no fix for that/ |
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| 01:08.02 | guised | do i need any special setup to scp to the z? |
| 01:08.39 | Neo|Work | to be honest I'm rather frustrated with OZ. I am forced to reboot my Z more often than an unstable, hardware misconfigured windows box with broken memory, cpu and cpu cache |
| 01:08.51 | guised | lol |
| 01:09.27 | guised | Neo: what are you doing with your Z |
| 01:09.41 | guised | ibot faq |
| 01:09.42 | | it has been said that faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or at http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html or at http://www.openzaurus.org/ |
| 01:09.58 | Neo|Work | guised: now I'm trying to install a tiny package |
| 01:10.06 | Neo|Work | and it fails from the gui as well as command line w/o gui |
| 01:10.06 | Neo|Work | hang |
| 01:10.14 | guised | mine hangs too |
| 01:10.15 | Neo|Work | and it hangs just about all the time |
| 01:10.18 | guised | lol |
| 01:10.21 | Neo|Work | doing 'whatever' |
| 01:10.22 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 01:10.35 | guised | do you perhaps know if there's some configuration i need to use to scp stuff to my Z? |
| 01:10.39 | Neo|Work | I like the idea and I did install it to do testing in OPIE for my games, but .. |
| 01:10.47 | Neo|Work | nothing special, just scp |
| 01:10.50 | Neo|Work | sorry, sshd |
| 01:10.57 | guised | goddamnit |
| 01:11.04 | guised | i can't ftp because ftp hangs |
| 01:11.25 | guised | fsck doesn't work on my card with half the time hanging |
| 01:11.32 | guised | i feel your pain |
| 01:11.34 | guised | :) |
| 01:12.11 | Neo|Work | I wish I had another zaurus I could run this on rather than the one I use for my daily needs |
| 01:12.21 | Neo|Work | the A300 is nice but I do miss the keyboard for text input.. |
| 01:12.29 | Onyx4 | were you installing on jffs2 or SD or CF? |
| 01:13.04 | guised | Onyx4: me? I'm using a ext2 SD |
| 01:13.12 | Neo|Work | SD |
| 01:13.21 | guised | i'm just trying to schp files to my sd using winscp |
| 01:13.29 | Onyx4 | and the scp is hanging or your Z? |
| 01:13.39 | guised | ftp was |
| 01:13.45 | guised | that's why im trying scp |
| 01:13.56 | guised | but its not connecting to the z |
| 01:14.07 | Onyx4 | over usb or wireless? |
| 01:14.09 | guised | usb |
| 01:14.11 | Onyx4 | ah |
| 01:14.15 | Onyx4 | it's a usb problem |
| 01:14.18 | guised | damnit! |
| 01:14.21 | Onyx4 | the usbdnet drivers are shitty |
| 01:14.33 | Onyx4 | windows host or linux? |
| 01:14.39 | guised | windoze |
| 01:14.44 | Onyx4 | mmm |
| 01:14.54 | guised | thats why im using winscp :) |
| 01:15.02 | guised | ftp hangs |
| 01:15.03 | Onyx4 | is winscp hanging as well? |
| 01:15.14 | guised | nope |
| 01:15.18 | guised | it doesn't even find the damn thing |
| 01:15.32 | Onyx4 | I don't think the ftp was meant to do large file transfers, except for syncing and stuff |
| 01:15.37 | guised | ah |
| 01:15.47 | Onyx4 | we could provide a more stable ftp server for that purpose |
| 01:15.50 | guised | im supposed to put winscp on my computer, right? |
| 01:15.55 | Onyx4 | yes winscp |
| 01:15.58 | Onyx4 | that's the recommended way |
| 01:16.09 | guised | and im not supposed to put anything on the Z, right |
| 01:16.15 | Onyx4 | nope |
| 01:16.22 | Onyx4 | it comes with sshd |
| 01:16.25 | guised | cool |
| 01:16.39 | guised | and the host name is the ip |
| 01:16.42 | guised | right? |
| 01:17.21 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 01:17.28 | Onyx4 | unless you define some names in your local host file |
| 01:17.41 | guised | nope |
| 01:17.45 | guised | haven't done that |
| 01:17.50 | guised | and nope, it can't connect |
| 01:18.06 | Onyx4 | just use the IP then |
| 01:18.25 | guised | as the hostname, right? i'm doing that... no such luck :( |
| 01:18.30 | Onyx4 | did you set a root password on your Z? |
| 01:18.38 | guised | its still rootme |
| 01:18.38 | guised | heh |
| 01:18.57 | guised | just incase you steal it and want to get my settings... |
| 01:18.58 | guised | heh |
| 01:19.19 | Onyx4 | if you can ping the IP normally, you should be able to scp ssh from your PC |
| 01:19.48 | guised | thats what i was thinking |
| 01:20.29 | guised | are ya on a windows comp |
| 01:20.37 | Onyx4 | no linux |
| 01:20.59 | guised | ah |
| 01:21.07 | guised | i didn't designate a specific folder |
| 01:21.10 | guised | for it to go to |
| 01:21.33 | Onyx4 | you should, something like /mnt/cf or /mnt/card if you want to copy to CF or SD |
| 01:21.37 | guised | Onyx4: is it bad to have no free memory on / ? |
| 01:21.37 | Onyx4 | or /mnt/ram |
| 01:21.40 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 01:21.50 | guised | goddamnit |
| 01:21.54 | Onyx4 | if you copied it into /root by default by not specifying anything... |
| 01:22.10 | guised | i've copied everything to my sd |
| 01:22.13 | Onyx4 | you probably need to delete the file, hopefully it will let you delete it ;) |
| 01:22.16 | guised | heh |
| 01:22.28 | guised | the only think ive installed to root is imageviewer |
| 01:22.28 | Onyx4 | normally you need to keep 1-2mb free on / |
| 01:22.31 | guised | and some picks |
| 01:23.39 | guised | goddamn |
| 01:23.41 | guised | thats annoying |
| 01:23.55 | Onyx4 | find where the big file is |
| 01:23.57 | guised | is there a way for me to do a fsck of everything |
| 01:23.59 | Onyx4 | there must be something that filled it up |
| 03:45.01 | *** join/#openzaurus ibot (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 03:45.01 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/ipks/ipkg_20021125-1_arm.ipk http://www.themastermind1.net/ipkg-works-demo.txt | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon - kaffe + awt-qte |
| 03:47.29 | victorvdl | Anyone no how to resize a divx file (I.E. from 640x480 to 320x240) so It becomes and more reasonable size and can fit on a CF card? |
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| 03:51.40 | deimos | can anybody help with an ethernet cf issue? |
| 03:51.56 | deimos | I installed OZ3 and can't seem to get my TrendNet CF card to work... |
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| 03:52.27 | noda | Moo! |
| 03:52.51 | noda | kergoth: Ah, you're here! Maybe you can help me with my buildroot problem. |
| 03:53.47 | noda | Y'see, it goes something like this... |
| 03:54.28 | noda | Um. Damn, it didn't happen :P |
| 03:54.41 | chouimat|tv | ewwwww noda is reproducing |
| 03:54.50 | noda | Oh, yay, here we are. |
| 03:55.12 | noda | ipkg/C/replace complains about a missing "malloc.c"... |
| 03:56.08 | noda | So I go through my config.log... and I think the reason is this: |
| 03:56.15 | noda | configure:5184: checking for GNU libc compatible malloc |
| 03:56.16 | noda | configure:5236: result: no |
| 03:57.05 | kergoth | which ipkg build? ipkg-x86 or ipkg? |
| 03:57.08 | noda | ipkg |
| 03:57.36 | kergoth | i just built ipkg from cvs 2.5 minutes ago |
| 03:57.40 | kergoth | freshly wiped and rebuilt |
| 03:57.45 | noda | I know, it has to do with my system. |
| 03:57.48 | kergoth | i'd suggest wiping your ipkg and letting it pull back from cvs again |
| 03:57.50 | kergoth | then i have no idea. |
| 03:57.55 | noda | I've wiped, I've tried... |
| 03:57.58 | kergoth | actually, it cant have anything to do with your system. |
| 03:58.06 | noda | It's gotta have to do with *something* :P |
| 03:58.10 | kergoth | that configure check tests aspects of your -crosscompilation- environment, not your x86 build env |
| 03:58.19 | kergoth | which toolchain are you using? |
| 03:58.28 | noda | 3.2 |
| 03:58.53 | noda | have you recently upgraded the 3.2 toolchain? Well, recently as in in the past 3 weeks? |
| 03:58.58 | kergoth | not afaicr |
| 03:59.15 | kergoth | i came back from vegas, chilled, rebuilt ipkg to assist NightStar, then sat here |
| 03:59.21 | kergoth | i havent done any builds or anythign Z related in a week |
| 03:59.24 | kergoth | and i'm enjoying it |
| 03:59.26 | kergoth | heh! |
| 03:59.28 | noda | lol |
| 03:59.41 | noda | Well I haven't done any website coding either, so there! :P |
| 03:59.45 | kergoth | nice |
| 04:00.26 | noda | Yeah, just been miserably thinking about Girl. |
| 04:00.32 | kergoth | ah yeah, been there |
| 04:00.38 | kergoth | hows that going by the way? any progress? |
| 04:00.47 | noda | Erm... I don't know. Which is why I'm miserably thinking :) |
| 04:00.58 | chouimat|tv | noda: j'espere que ca va marcher pour toi |
| 04:01.06 | noda | chouimat|tv: Moi aussi! |
| 04:01.07 | kergoth | noda: hah. |
| 04:01.10 | kergoth | WOMEN! |
| 04:01.17 | kergoth | </vehemence> |
| 04:01.56 | noda | I'm confused about something that's probably nothing today... but if it's something then I'm fucking lucky, but if so then I acted stupid.... AARGH! |
| 04:02.04 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:02.12 | noda | And if not then I acted normal so phew :P |
| 04:02.17 | chouimat|tv | noda: I still think about one that said no to me three years ago, when we see each other we manage to have some fun, but I still sense something but .... |
| 04:02.42 | noda | chouimat|tv: Oh THANKS, that really gets my hopes up :P |
| 04:03.19 | chouimat|tv | noda: np |
| 04:04.25 | ljp | give it up |
| 04:04.29 | ljp | :) |
| 04:04.35 | noda | Never! |
| 04:04.59 | ljp | she just wants your zaurus |
| 04:05.07 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:05.14 | noda | rofl |
| 04:06.33 | kergoth | wow, gaim from cvs is a lot better than latest release |
| 04:06.34 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 04:08.00 | noda | Yep |
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| 04:10.15 | Cloudchaser | wow! sd card way much faster |
| 04:10.29 | Cloudchaser | doing the import 1000 records in one minute |
| 04:10.44 | Cloudchaser | took over 10 minutes last time per thousand |
| 04:11.21 | ljp | hmm what'd you do to it? |
| 04:11.33 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: the song on the ending credit of Jay and Bob strike back? |
| 04:11.35 | Cloudchaser | i did what it said in the faq |
| 04:11.49 | deimos | any other ideas kergoth? |
| 04:11.52 | kergoth | ljp: 'sync' vs async |
| 04:12.04 | Cloudchaser | oh no! |
| 04:12.21 | kergoth | deimos: describe the behavior again, to others in here. I'm not in a very capable debugging mode |
| 04:12.38 | Cloudchaser | 3507 records copied in less than 3 minutes then it stoppped! |
| 04:12.44 | deimos | well, I am trying to get my Trendnet CF card working in OZ3 |
| 04:12.57 | deimos | it isn't grabbing an ip from the DHCP server |
| 04:13.12 | deimos | any ideas? |
| 04:13.23 | Cloudchaser | oh man...i hung up again! |
| 04:13.37 | Cloudchaser | damn damn damn, last time it hung it corrupted |
| 04:14.05 | deimos | any ideas? |
| 04:14.43 | Cloudchaser | yeah switch back to sharp rom |
| 04:15.42 | deimos | well, that was a straight forward comment! haha |
| 04:15.48 | Cloudchaser | sorry |
| 04:15.54 | deimos | ;-) |
| 04:16.00 | Cloudchaser | my db just got hosed for the 2nd time |
| 04:16.08 | deimos | ouch |
| 04:16.30 | Cloudchaser | the process is hung, the app crashed |
| 04:16.33 | deimos | you have my deepest sympathy Cloudchaser |
| 04:16.36 | Cloudchaser | i'm not too happy at the moment |
| 04:16.42 | deimos | I don't blame you |
| 04:17.09 | deimos | unfortunately, I think I pist of Kergoth... |
| 04:17.13 | deimos | of=off |
| 04:17.22 | noda | Don't worry, we all do that :) |
| 04:17.48 | Cloudchaser | looks like i have to reboot |
| 04:17.53 | deimos | ehh |
| 04:18.14 | Cloudchaser | z's locked up |
| 04:19.04 | deimos | noda, do you have any idea whats up with my Z? |
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| 04:20.00 | deimos | I can't grab an ip from my dhcp server. eth0 seems to be loaded properly |
| 04:20.02 | noda | deimos: Nope |
| 04:20.06 | deimos | darn |
| 04:21.12 | Cloudchaser | damn |
| 04:21.34 | Cloudchaser | now it just crashes when i try to execute the import |
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| 04:25.36 | Cloudchaser | seg fault |
| 04:25.39 | Cloudchaser | damnit |
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| 04:36.00 | ljp- | hmmpft |
| 04:36.26 | deimos | can anybody help troubleshoot an ethernet problem... please? |
| 04:36.52 | ljp- | I woulnt be very good help, cause I dont have my z ethernet yet |
| 04:37.20 | deimos | ljp-: thanks anyways ;-) |
| 04:37.39 | deimos | anybody else? |
| 04:37.41 | deimos | hehe |
| 04:40.52 | EditorGarfield | deimos: What's the problem? |
| 04:49.02 | deimos | EditorGarfield: I can't get an IP from my dhcp server |
| 04:49.43 | deimos | I don't know what really to say, other than it seems that my Z isn't looking for the DHCP server... |
| 04:49.55 | deimos | my comp isn't even recognizing it when I plug in the patch cable |
| 04:50.22 | deimos | any ideas? |
| 04:51.27 | Cloudchaser | you computer? |
| 04:51.35 | deimos | yeah, I have ICS up |
| 04:51.45 | Cloudchaser | using a crossover cable? |
| 04:51.49 | deimos | I have tested the ICS connection though, so I know it isn't that |
| 04:51.49 | Cloudchaser | to your pc? |
| 04:52.15 | Cloudchaser | or you have a hub/switch? |
| 04:52.41 | EditorGarfield | I've only done Zaurus-to-hub/switch connections myself. |
| 04:52.52 | Cloudchaser | same here |
| 04:53.28 | Cloudchaser | will it work giving your z a static ip address? |
| 04:53.29 | EditorGarfield | I do know that the over-cradle-to-PC network method is..... flakey, to put it mildly. :-) |
| 04:55.25 | Cloudchaser | oh well |
| 04:55.51 | Cloudchaser | guess i'll call it a night myself.. |
| 04:58.31 | bill2or3 | anyone know when the 5600 will ship? |
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| 04:58.39 | deimos | hmm |
| 04:59.14 | deimos | still no ip |
| 04:59.22 | deimos | but at least the comp sees it... |
| 05:01.31 | deimos | what does dhcpcd do? |
| 05:03.06 | EditorGarfield | That's the DHCP server. |
| 05:03.15 | EditorGarfield | I think. |
| 05:03.18 | bill2or3 | it hands out dynamic ip's |
| 05:03.21 | bill2or3 | and such. |
| 05:03.38 | EditorGarfield | Yes, that's right. The DHCP client is dhcpcd |
| 05:03.48 | deimos | for the Zaurus? Why would I want to use it as a DHCP server.... |
| 05:03.50 | deimos | ;-) |
| 05:03.54 | deimos | ahh |
| 05:03.55 | bill2or3 | who knows. |
| 05:04.05 | bill2or3 | to confuse wireless networks everywhere you go? |
| 05:05.10 | deimos | haha |
| 05:05.20 | deimos | what are the ttf-openoffice things...? |
| 05:05.38 | bill2or3 | ttf's are fonts, so probablly fonts for openoffice |
| 05:05.53 | deimos | openoffice on the Z? |
| 05:06.09 | deimos | or from openoffice... |
| 05:06.25 | EditorGarfield | deimos: Could be either. There's some weird stuff being ported to the Z, just for fun. |
| 05:06.49 | ljp- | they are so you can use ttf in opie |
| 05:08.35 | deimos | so, what is a good text editor |
| 05:08.37 | deimos | besides the basic |
| 05:09.13 | ljp- | generally? or on the z? |
| 05:10.12 | bill2or3 | vi? |
| 05:10.22 | deimos | on the z |
| 05:10.27 | deimos | with a gui ;-) |
| 05:10.37 | deimos | don't get me wrong, I love vi, and pico, but.... |
| 05:11.06 | deimos | hmmm, a port of abiword....hmmm.... |
| 05:11.07 | deimos | hehe |
| 05:12.18 | ljp- | depends on what you want to do |
| 05:12.18 | EditorGarfield | The text editor in OZ 3. |
| 05:12.33 | deimos | basically, all the stuff I could do in hancom word |
| 05:12.35 | EditorGarfield | Really, it's quite nice. Unlike the joke that is the text editor from Sharp. :-) |
| 05:12.58 | deimos | hahah |
| 05:13.02 | deimos | fine |
| 05:16.47 | deimos | why is it that I have to do |
| 05:16.50 | deimos | ifdown eth0 |
| 05:16.54 | deimos | ifup eth0 |
| 05:16.58 | deimos | for my ethernet to start working? |
| 05:19.18 | deimos | any ideas? |
| 05:19.59 | crow | deimos: what happens when you eject the card and reinsert it? Do you get an IP address? |
| 05:20.08 | ljp- | its that Coronal Mass Ejection |
| 05:20.20 | ljp- | that can mess alot up |
| 05:20.24 | deimos | haven't tried it yet... updating opie, just a sec |
| 05:20.31 | deimos | should that do it for me? |
| 05:20.50 | crow | It sounds like you have a problem similar to one I have. |
| 05:21.05 | deimos | what kind of enet card do you have? |
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| 05:21.37 | Xentac | anyone used opie-reader with plucker pdbs? |
| 05:21.37 | crow | I have a Socket low power wired ethernet and a D-Link DCF 660W 802.11b |
| 05:22.10 | deimos | oh, I have a trendnet wired ethernet card |
| 05:22.17 | crow | If I power the Z on with the card inserted the interface will not be brought up, with either card. |
| 05:22.24 | deimos | huh |
| 05:22.37 | deimos | but if you eject it and reinsert it, it worx? |
| 05:22.44 | crow | Ejecting and reinserting brings the interface up and gets me an IP address. |
| 05:22.54 | deimos | ahh, I'll try that next time |
| 05:22.59 | deimos | thanx |
| 05:23.02 | crow | sue |
| 05:23.03 | crow | sure |
| 05:23.16 | deimos | do you guys know if the Opie-update is reliable? |
| 05:23.30 | deimos | I mean, from hands-on experience? |
| 05:23.33 | crow | Sometime after returning from suspend the interface won't be configured either. |
| 05:23.39 | deimos | cuz I sure seem to be getting a lot of errors ;-) |
| 05:24.11 | deimos | hmmm, I did notice that at least crow |
| 05:24.24 | deimos | I figured rebooting SHOULD do it, but it doesn't |
| 05:24.39 | crow | was the card inserted when you booted? |
| 05:25.34 | EditorGarfield | The basic problem is that the OZ "renew IP" system only seems to work right when the card is inserted. Otherwise it's just overall very clusmy and klunky. |
| 05:25.42 | EditorGarfield | And it's STILL better than the Sharp version. :-) |
| 05:26.02 | crow | it's predictable at least |
| 05:26.47 | crow | Sharp seems worse with wireless cards |
| 05:27.13 | deimos | haven't personally tried the wireless cards |
| 05:27.18 | Cloudchaser | i haven't had trouble with my wireless card on either sharp or oz |
| 05:27.20 | deimos | oh boy, it hung again |
| 05:27.34 | deimos | I always seem to hang when I am installing konqueror-embedded-full |
| 05:27.39 | deimos | is something wrong with that ipk? |
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| 05:28.01 | crow | I installed it OK, but it always crashes after about 10 minutes of use |
| 05:28.19 | deimos | is the regular (not full) version okay? |
| 05:29.09 | deimos | what is the difference anyways...? |
| 05:30.02 | crow | Has anyone here had success building OZ? |
| 05:38.52 | guised | op2's got problems |
| 05:39.32 | guised | TheMasterMind1: i can't get it to come up |
| 05:39.38 | guised | i'm using the 0.9.1-20021111 build |
| 05:40.17 | guised | installed libopie and everything else in http://www.openzaurus.com/download/temp |
| 05:40.20 | guised | just so ya know |
| 05:40.26 | guised | ;) |
| 05:43.54 | deimos | when you use AQPkg, where does it d/l the files? |
| 05:46.50 | deimos | it says "root" but I can't locate any of the files |
| 05:46.57 | deimos | my konqueror installed screwed up... |
| 05:49.23 | deimos | or is there a way to display the list of installed apps? |
| 05:52.04 | guised | yeah |
| 05:52.09 | deimos | ... |
| 05:52.16 | kergoth`bbl | crow: so if you insert the card while suspended, it isnt brought up? that the behavior? |
| 05:52.17 | guised | under aqpkg |
| 05:52.20 | kergoth`bbl | deimos: any luck? |
| 05:52.26 | kergoth`bbl | deimos: 'ipkg info' or 'ipkg status' |
| 05:52.27 | deimos | the icon for konqueror shows up, but it doesn't work |
| 05:52.32 | deimos | yeah, got it up kergoth, thx |
| 05:52.40 | kergoth`bbl | deimos: try running it from konsole, see if there are any errors |
| 05:52.43 | kergoth`bbl | deimos: what was the issue? |
| 05:53.02 | crow | Um, I didn't try inserting it while suspended. |
| 05:53.15 | deimos | kergoth, you don't want to know |
| 05:53.17 | kergoth`bbl | crow: er, describe what the problem is then, i misunderstood when i read the channel logs |
| 05:53.25 | crow | OK |
| 05:53.43 | deimos | Kergoth: more like I don't want to say |
| 05:53.48 | crow | If I boot the Z with an ethernet card in the slot, the interface is not brought up. |
| 05:53.59 | kergoth`bbl | crow: define 'boot' |
| 05:54.10 | kergoth`bbl | crow: as in, right after a reboot? or right after a full reset? |
| 05:54.17 | crow | Turn the Z on after doing a 'shutdown -h now' |
| 05:54.23 | kergoth`bbl | full reset is a hard boot, the reboot/shutdown is a soft reboot |
| 05:54.31 | kergoth`bbl | ah |
| 05:54.54 | kergoth`bbl | so in other words, cardmgr doesnt pick up an insertion event if the card was inserted when cardmgr was started |
| 05:55.03 | kergoth`bbl | interesting, i'll see if that behavior is a known bug in pcmcia-cs |
| 05:55.05 | crow | Or, actually... |
| 05:55.15 | kergoth`bbl | s/when cardmgr/before cardmgr/ |
| 05:55.44 | crow | what really happened is that I flicked the switch on the back from normal to replace battery and back to normal again, then powered on |
| 05:55.58 | guised | the command to install is "ipkg -dest sd ....." right? |
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| 05:56.12 | kergoth`bbl | guised: ipkg install -d sd blah.ipk |
| 05:56.18 | kergoth`bbl | guised: dont forget to ipkg-link add blah afterwords |
| 05:56.23 | kergoth`bbl | guised: otherwise just use aqpkg |
| 05:56.24 | crow | That sounds like a good explanation. |
| 05:56.36 | guised | kergoth: op2 doesn't wanna install using aqpkg |
| 05:56.37 | guised | heh |
| 05:56.37 | kergoth`bbl | crow: okay, I'll dig into it. btw, what pcmcia-cs version? |
| 05:56.45 | kergoth`bbl | guised: um |
| 05:56.50 | kergoth`bbl | guised: all aqpkg does is calls out ipkg. |
| 05:57.01 | kergoth`bbl | guised: try it from cmdline though, i'm curious |
| 05:57.14 | guised | k |
| 05:57.16 | crow | How can I tell? |
| 05:57.17 | guised | gimme a second |
| 05:57.23 | kergoth`bbl | crow: ipkg info pcmcia-cs |
| 05:57.26 | kergoth`bbl | crow: or run aqpkg |
| 05:59.50 | crow | ipkg says 3.2.1-5e, I don't know how to get it out of aqpkg |
| 06:00.12 | crow | Oh, I get it, double tap. |
| 06:00.19 | kergoth`bbl | right |
| 06:01.09 | crow | kergoth`bbl: hey, can you answer some questions regarding building OZ? |
| 06:01.24 | kergoth`bbl | crow: latest available pcmcia-cs in unstalbe is 3.2.2, but i'll check into possible issues related to the aforementioned behavior you're seeing |
| 06:01.28 | kergoth`bbl | crow: yep |
| 06:01.41 | guised | kergoth: command line install didn't do anything |
| 06:01.47 | kergoth`bbl | guised: huh? |
| 06:01.54 | kergoth`bbl | 'didn\'t do anything'? |
| 06:02.02 | guised | kergoth: yep |
| 06:02.07 | kergoth`bbl | eh? |
| 06:02.08 | guised | kergoth: just gave me back "#" |
| 06:02.19 | kergoth`bbl | okay... |
| 06:02.24 | crow | Here's what I go so far, I'm following the instructions from FAQ #84, retrieved everything via BitKeeper... |
| 06:02.28 | kergoth`bbl | well i have no idea why it'd do that. good luck. |
| 06:02.34 | guised | lol |
| 06:02.40 | kergoth`bbl | heh! |
| 06:03.09 | deimos | ehh |
| 06:03.16 | crow | Got the toolchain from www.arm.linux.org.uk, installed it to /usr/local/arm, it's version 2.95.3 |
| 06:03.33 | deimos | kergoth: where does APQkg download files to? |
| 06:03.36 | crow | Added /usr/local/arm/2.95.3 to the path |
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| 06:03.39 | kergoth`bbl | deimos: it doesnt. |
| 06:03.41 | kergoth`bbl | deimos: well |
| 06:03.48 | kergoth`bbl | deimos: it puts them in /tmp, then deletes them after installation. |
| 06:03.56 | crow | Sound OK so far? |
| 06:03.58 | kergoth`bbl | deimos: they are not retained, as that would be a tremendous waste of flash/ramdisk |
| 06:04.09 | kergoth`bbl | crow: assuming you meant you added /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin to your path, yes. |
| 06:04.12 | deimos | hmm, well, I had to reboot my z when I was d/l the konqueror file, and it screwed things up |
| 06:04.24 | deimos | I tried reinstalling it, but it now says that I don't have enough room |
| 06:04.33 | crow | Yeah, that's correct, sorry |
| 06:04.44 | kergoth`bbl | deimos: eh? if you rebooted, the downloaded ipk is gone. |
| 06:04.47 | kergoth`bbl | deimos: /tmp is a ramdisk |
| 06:04.52 | kergoth`bbl | deimos: nonpersistant. wiped on reboot. |
| 06:05.15 | deimos | yeah, got that, but how do I get rid of this bogus Konqueror app? |
| 06:05.15 | crow | So I guess the makefile knows to call arm-linux-gcc when gcc is executed? |
| 06:05.24 | kergoth`bbl | crow: ..? |
| 06:05.32 | crow | ? |
| 06:05.33 | kergoth`bbl | crow: no, it always explicitly runs arm-linux-gcc |
| 06:05.37 | crow | oh |
| 06:05.40 | kergoth`bbl | crow: there is no 'when gcc is executed' |
| 06:06.10 | kergoth`bbl | but yeah, it does what it needs to |
| 06:06.14 | kergoth`bbl | nothing you need to do |
| 06:06.16 | kergoth`bbl | infact |
| 06:06.27 | kergoth`bbl | recent buildroots will add the /usr/local/[gccver]/bin to the path for you |
| 06:06.29 | kergoth`bbl | you dont have to |
| 06:06.29 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 06:06.45 | crow | Alright, I just wanted to clarify that it is using the cross compiler and not the RedHat compiler |
| 06:06.53 | kergoth`bbl | for some builds yes |
| 06:07.07 | kergoth`bbl | there are a few items that need to be built for x86 for use by the buildroot |
| 06:07.10 | kergoth`bbl | those will use the native gcc |
| 06:07.23 | crow | OK, so after doing 'make oldconfig' and then 'make' as FAQ#84 states.... |
| 06:07.31 | guised | kergoth: are there certain setting that i shouldn't use in order to get op2 to start up? |
| 06:07.46 | kergoth`bbl | guised: no idea. i havent played with it in quite some time. ask around in #opie |
| 06:07.48 | crow | Is RedHat 8.0 supported? |
| 06:08.02 | kergoth`bbl | crow: .. you'll see issues |
| 06:08.03 | deimos | thx kergoth, got it |
| 06:08.14 | crow | such as? |
| 06:08.20 | kergoth`bbl | crow: qt/e 2.3.2 needs to build moc with the native gcc. i dont recall whether or not it'll build with gcc3.2. |
| 06:08.32 | kergoth`bbl | crow: ipkg-x86 and mtd will build fine with it |
| 06:08.41 | deimos | I think...hehe |
| 06:09.02 | kergoth`bbl | crow: regardless, you should try it and see. did you actually run make or what? |
| 06:09.12 | kergoth`bbl | crow: get around to telling me the actual error at some point here :) |
| 06:09.19 | crow | Hmm, not sure I'm even getting that far. It gets to a point where some patches are being applied and it can't find a file to patch. |
| 06:09.29 | crow | But I guess that's not enough information... |
| 06:09.42 | kergoth`bbl | no where near |
| 06:09.47 | kergoth`bbl | i need exact error messages |
| 06:09.49 | kergoth`bbl | pasted verbatim |
| 06:09.55 | crow | I'm gonna have to go through this again and copy the text for you |
| 06:10.22 | kergoth`bbl | k |
| 06:10.48 | crow | One last question, do I need to be root to run the build? |
| 06:10.49 | Piete{out} | hey kergoth` :D |
| 06:11.03 | Piete{out} | kergoth` did you enjoy vegas? |
| 06:11.12 | kergoth`bbl | crow: nope |
| 06:11.15 | deimos | what is the mtdram? |
| 06:11.24 | kergoth`bbl | crow: i make it a point of -never- running as root |
| 06:11.27 | kergoth`bbl | deimos: ramdisk |
| 06:11.31 | kergoth`bbl | Piete{out}: oh -hell- yes |
| 06:11.33 | crow | kergoth`bbl: cool, thanks for the help! |
| 06:11.37 | deimos | and is it a good "destination" for AQPkg |
| 06:11.38 | deimos | hmmm |
| 06:11.44 | deimos | then that answers that |
| 06:11.47 | kergoth`bbl | deimos: its your ramdisk. rtfm. read the faqs. |
| 06:11.48 | kergoth`bbl | :) |
| 06:12.06 | kergoth`bbl | hmm |
| 06:12.06 | kergoth`bbl | i should probably sleep now, to try to get my schedule back on track |
| 06:12.08 | deimos | AQPkg just uses it as d/l space right? |
| 06:12.17 | kergoth`bbl | ? |
| 06:12.17 | Piete{out} | kergoth` yea, I'm out too (to work ;) |
| 06:12.18 | kergoth`bbl | no |
| 06:12.22 | deimos | well, thanks for your help Kergoth though, much appreciated |
| 06:12.24 | kergoth`bbl | aqpkg uses /tmp, which is ramfs not mtdram |
| 06:12.32 | kergoth`bbl | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.42 | kergoth`bbl | mtdram is persistant, survives reboots, just not full resets |
| 06:12.45 | kergoth`bbl | deimos: np |
| 06:12.57 | deimos | so I can put my apps there? |
| 06:13.11 | kergoth`bbl | rtfm |
| 06:13.25 | deimos | ha |
| 06:13.27 | kergoth`bbl | specifically, you'll want to read the 'how does openzaurus make use of the internal flash and ram?' question |
| 06:13.31 | kergoth`bbl | afaicr |
| 06:13.48 | deimos | well, thanks anyways |
| 06:14.00 | deimos | I had been tired searching for FAQs on my previous problem |
| 06:14.09 | kergoth`bbl | not a problem |
| 06:14.21 | kergoth`bbl | i just dont waste my time spouting answers to shit i already spent time writing up |
| 06:14.30 | deimos | I understand |
| 06:14.33 | deimos | totally |
| 06:14.39 | kergoth`bbl | they were written so we wouldnt have to repeat them 423 times daily :) |
| 06:14.50 | kergoth`zzz | i'm out, night |
| 06:14.53 | deimos | night |
| 06:19.33 | deimos | anybody know where I can get some backgrounds? |
| 06:23.00 | deimos | anywhere....? |
| 06:23.00 | deimos | hehe |
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| 10:23.33 | Dess|Sleep | lo all |
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| 10:38.16 | Dessimat0r | zzz |
| 10:44.36 | Twiun | is gcc alergic to symlinked header files? |
| 10:44.40 | Twiun | allergic even |
| 10:48.22 | pb_ | I don't see any reason why gcc should care about that. |
| 10:49.09 | Twiun | that's what I thought |
| 10:50.00 | Twiun | it's not finding the headers though, and I'm including the right path to them |
| 10:51.21 | Twiun | hrmph |
| 10:51.44 | pb_ | well, you could check with strace to make sure. |
| 10:51.58 | Twiun | good point |
| 10:58.17 | Twiun | hmmm, strace isn't giving me anything more |
| 10:59.20 | TheMasterMind1 | it hates you |
| 10:59.38 | Twiun | I know |
| 11:04.25 | Twiun | does the order of -I arguments matter? |
| 11:05.33 | Twiun | ok.... gcc -v was more helpful... |
| 11:05.50 | Twiun | now, how do I get it to add <...> headers in the search path? |
| 11:19.54 | lsmith | does "tabmanager" from the unstable feed work for anyone? |
| 11:25.42 | Twiun | grrr... and now buildroot isn't finding the xcompile toolchain |
| 11:25.46 | Twiun | wtf |
| 11:27.42 | lsmith | TheMasterMind1: the latest ipkg is a pure joy to use |
| 11:27.50 | lsmith | very nice |
| 11:28.26 | lsmith | btw .. is there a reason why packages are not announced on freshmeat? |
| 11:28.49 | lsmith | would be nice to get some of the features of freshmeat (notification) |
| 11:28.55 | lsmith | and it would also give more exposure |
| 12:24.03 | lsmith | . |
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| 12:49.23 | ibz | hi all |
| 12:55.05 | lsmith | if i turn my zaurus off and turn it back on using the on/off switch |
| 12:55.14 | lsmith | the security window pops up |
| 12:55.27 | lsmith | but the display doesnot react to anything i type |
| 12:56.03 | lsmith | this happends often .. but not always |
| 12:56.42 | lsmith | anyone else experience this? |
| 13:03.37 | ibz | lsmith: i haven't. |
| 13:03.52 | ibz | lsmith: did you get cramfs compiled for your kernel? |
| 13:04.04 | lsmith | ibz: didnt try |
| 13:04.16 | lsmith | i just installed suse 8.1 on my laptop |
| 13:04.23 | lsmith | there it was already compiled in |
| 13:04.31 | ibz | lsmith: damn, i was hoping you could proofread my faq before i submit it. |
| 13:04.35 | ibz | cool |
| 13:05.02 | ibz | could you go through my faq entry for me? |
| 13:05.30 | lsmith | well i did mount things using your faq |
| 13:05.45 | lsmith | but i didnt get around to do anything beyond that |
| 13:05.46 | lsmith | no time |
| 13:06.28 | ibz | hmmn, i haven't submitted it yet. do you have time? i could send it to you directly. |
| 13:06.44 | lsmith | oh .. then it was someone elses faq i read :-) |
| 13:07.00 | lsmith | ibz: you can send it |
| 13:07.10 | lsmith | but i will not have time to check into it until later this week |
| 13:07.39 | ibz | hmmn...i was hoping sooner. no worries. |
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| 13:33.00 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
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| 13:42.48 | guised | mornin |
| 13:43.12 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
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| 13:43.53 | guised | got a minute for some help with op2? |
| 13:44.06 | numatrix | morning |
| 13:44.17 | guised | sup |
| 13:44.42 | Cloudchaser | i've got a little issue too here..not sure if its oz/opie related or not though.. |
| 13:44.45 | guised | i dunno about you guys but its snowing it |
| 13:44.57 | guised | in nyc |
| 13:45.30 | guised | Cloudchaser: is anyone ever in #opie? |
| 13:45.34 | Cloudchaser | i'm in CT |
| 13:45.37 | Cloudchaser | snowing here too |
| 13:45.44 | guised | is it sticking? |
| 13:45.45 | pb_ | sunshine and clear skies here in England :-) |
| 13:45.54 | Cloudchaser | yep 5 inches so far |
| 13:45.55 | guised | pb_: lol |
| 13:45.56 | Cloudchaser | and i'm on the coast |
| 13:46.01 | guised | heh |
| 13:46.14 | Cloudchaser | very wet and heavy snow though |
| 13:46.18 | Cloudchaser | it will melt fast |
| 13:46.31 | Cloudchaser | the ground isn't too frozen yet |
| 13:46.52 | guised | Cloudchaser: it's amazing what a whole shitload of asphalt will do in terms of keeping the ground warm ;) |
| 13:47.16 | Cloudchaser | here's what happend.. i was importing a csv file with about 4000 lines into rekall...the first time it went very fast but at 3500 lines the z siezed up |
| 13:47.33 | Cloudchaser | i had to soft reset it |
| 13:47.43 | Cloudchaser | naturally, the db was corrupted |
| 13:47.55 | Cloudchaser | so i restored a previous copy of it |
| 13:47.59 | Cloudchaser | and tried again |
| 13:48.33 | Cloudchaser | this time when i tried, it siezed up after 37 records, and it was very slow to even import those |
| 13:49.05 | Cloudchaser | so i soft reset, restored it again and now when i even try to do the import, the app segfaults |
| 13:49.48 | Cloudchaser | i hadn't experienced that issue on the sharp rom |
| 13:50.06 | guised | hmmm.... i don't know much, but are you importing the file via ftp/scp? |
| 13:51.11 | Cloudchaser | i used ssh in gftp |
| 13:53.16 | guised | hmmm |
| 13:53.27 | guised | i get hangs frequently with ftp and sscp |
| 13:53.51 | guised | how large is the file? |
| 13:54.13 | Cloudchaser | it didn't hang on the copy |
| 13:54.30 | Cloudchaser | its about 190k |
| 13:54.49 | guised | hmm |
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| 13:55.16 | guised | Cloudchaser: my experience with th zaurus is too limited to be of any service to you |
| 13:55.25 | guised | honestly |
| 13:55.25 | guised | heh |
| 13:55.26 | Cloudchaser | s'ok thanks |
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| 13:55.42 | Cloudchaser | i think i'll have to try it on sharp rom and see if i get the same results |
| 13:56.12 | Cloudchaser | damn |
| 13:56.16 | Cloudchaser | i didn't want to have to |
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| 13:56.30 | guised | good luck |
| 13:56.47 | Cloudchaser | but i kind of need to narrow it down and see if its the app, the os or me ;) |
| 13:57.19 | Cloudchaser | hmm |
| 13:57.34 | guised | so as i understand it, you've copied the file to the Z, and you're trying to import it |
| 13:57.34 | Cloudchaser | maybe i'll try putting the csv file in mtdram first |
| 13:57.37 | Cloudchaser | to rule out the card |
| 13:57.45 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 13:58.02 | guised | that might do the trick |
| 13:58.23 | Cloudchaser | the thing is ..the segfault |
| 13:58.26 | guised | all i can do is cheerlead |
| 13:58.29 | guised | for this one |
| 13:58.40 | Cloudchaser | the app itself is installed to mtdram |
| 13:58.58 | guised | is the app starting up properly? |
| 13:59.26 | Cloudchaser | seems to |
| 13:59.51 | guised | do ya have another repository you can try it out with? |
| 14:00.05 | Cloudchaser | what do you mean by that/ |
| 14:00.32 | guised | i mean |
| 14:00.45 | guised | can try try importing some other file other than the one you're importing now |
| 14:00.54 | guised | if that makes any sense... lol |
| 14:01.19 | Cloudchaser | yes i suppose i could take a subset of it |
| 14:02.56 | Cloudchaser | i'm kind of afraid something is hosed badly with the db |
| 14:03.28 | Cloudchaser | and maybe the app itself, but i hope not |
| 14:03.37 | guised | do you have another copy of it or something you can restore? |
| 14:03.49 | Cloudchaser | yeah i did that |
| 14:03.56 | Cloudchaser | and got worse results |
| 14:04.12 | guised | this might be extreme, but you could always reflash |
| 14:05.11 | Cloudchaser | yeah that is extreme |
| 14:05.35 | Cloudchaser | if i do that i'll reflash to sharp rom, try it there and see what happens |
| 14:05.51 | guised | cool |
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| 14:13.32 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen kergoth`zzz |
| 14:13.32 | | kergoth`zzz is currently on #opie #uclibc #picogui #tuxscreen #zaurus #handhelds.org #openzaurus. Has said a total of 13 messages. Is idling for 7h 58m 41s |
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| 14:29.38 | TheMasterMind1 | hey ben |
| 14:33.01 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 14:34.07 | benmeyer | morning |
| 14:42.59 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 14:43.35 | TheMasterMind1 | night |
| 14:48.52 | lsmith | anyone know a reason why giving the ip 192.168.129.1 to my usb connection would cause routing to work flaky (at best), while using 192.168.129.200 works always flawlessly |
| 14:50.13 | lsmith | its probably a local problems |
| 14:50.21 | lsmith | nevermind then |
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| 15:29.16 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 15:29.44 | Piete | awww man,, when will Kaffe arrive? |
| 15:31.13 | Dessimat0r | Can anything on the Z play Macromedia Flash files? |
| 15:32.02 | Piete | Dessimat0r: the konq/e people are working on it |
| 15:32.07 | KallDrexx | morning chouimat|coffee |
| 15:32.13 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: opera 6.0 will be able to. |
| 15:32.20 | Piete | Dessimat0r: meanwhile the upcoming sharp rom will feature OPera 6 & flash |
| 15:32.38 | chouimat|coffee | hi KallDrexx |
| 15:32.55 | nobse | Piete: for 5500 or 5600? |
| 15:33.00 | Piete | both |
| 15:33.07 | nobse | ah :) |
| 15:33.08 | numatrix | nobse: It will be released for the 5600, but will likely work on the 5500 as well. |
| 15:33.12 | Piete | the rom for the 5600 will run on both |
| 15:33.12 | KallDrexx | chouimat|coffee: hows it going? |
| 15:33.17 | nobse | great |
| 15:33.32 | numatrix | Piete: you sure about that? Do we know for sure they didn't recompile it for xscale? |
| 15:33.51 | numatrix | Piete: and due to memory differences, it's likely the rom will NOT work, even if some of the programs are transportable. |
| 15:34.01 | chouimat|coffee | KallDrexx: nothing new |
| 15:34.06 | Piete | numatrix: afaik they will release the rom for the 5500 too |
| 15:34.14 | Piete | numatrix: I didnt mean copy the rom over from thr 5600 :) |
| 15:34.42 | numatrix | Piete: Umm, I don't think that's necessarily true. Opera 6.0 won't fit on a 5500 without removing a lot of things was the last I heard from Jason. I've never heard that they'll specifically release a 5500 version of the new rom. |
| 15:34.55 | numatrix | JasonNJ: you still around? |
| 15:35.36 | Piete | numatrix: me neither,, It just sounds right? I don't really know :P |
| 15:35.45 | Dessimat0r | numatrix: k ;) |
| 15:38.02 | Dessimat0r | lo chouimat|coffee ;) |
| 15:38.17 | chouimat|coffee | hi dessin |
| 15:38.49 | Piete | anyways |
| 15:39.15 | Dessimat0r | http://www.deviantpc.com/articles/ati9700wc/index.shtml |
| 15:39.18 | Dessimat0r | holy crap :D |
| 15:39.54 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 15:52.21 | mrz80 | So, has anyone done a cp/m emulator for the Z yet? |
| 15:55.05 | bipolar | Dessimat0r: I just realized h |
| 15:55.19 | bipolar | Dessimat0r: I just realized that my dad has a milling machine.... :) |
| 15:55.31 | bipolar | kergoth: WB |
| 15:55.44 | bipolar | kergoth: hey! Are you using kitchensync? |
| 15:55.48 | kergoth | nope |
| 15:55.55 | bipolar | durn |
| 15:56.13 | bipolar | I got it running from KDE cvs, but it's not quite done it seems |
| 15:58.50 | chouimat|coffee | bipolar: ask zecke |
| 15:59.02 | chouimat|coffee | bipolar: btw hi |
| 15:59.09 | chouimat|coffee | morning kergoth |
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| 15:59.25 | bipolar | ibot: seen zecke |
| 15:59.25 | | bipolar: i haven't seen 'zecke' |
| 15:59.34 | bipolar | PicoBot: seen zecke |
| 15:59.35 | PicoBot | zecke was last seen on #zaurus 29 days, 18 hours, 13 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: Wintre: 2.38 with Qtopia1.6? where to get that? [Mon Oct 28 14:50:13 2002] |
| 15:59.37 | JasonNJ | the zaurus special is being extended thru next week |
| 15:59.41 | JasonNJ | www.zaurusvip.com |
| 15:59.46 | JasonNJ | code vs0002 |
| 15:59.50 | chouimat|coffee | JasonNJ: wow |
| 15:59.57 | JasonNJ | $249 |
| 16:00.18 | JasonNJ | yeah director of sales decided to be santa claus |
| 16:00.35 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hey jason. nice. |
| 16:00.45 | chouimat|coffee | hmm that 392$ CDN |
| 16:00.51 | kergoth | didnt end up hitting the sharp booth, though i think i hit all the rest. comdex was pretty dead this year |
| 16:00.55 | kergoth | hey chouimat|coffee |
| 16:01.16 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: seen sunday userfriendly? |
| 16:01.57 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: did you get the documentation cd? |
| 16:02.16 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: no, and no |
| 16:02.17 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:02.33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hey |
| 16:02.42 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: got see the sunday userfreindly strip |
| 16:02.44 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: our ipks need a Size: thing in their control |
| 16:02.53 | TheMasterMind1 | so ipkg can prevent filling up / |
| 16:03.09 | chouimat|coffee | TheMasterMind1: good idea |
| 16:03.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: eh? |
| 16:03.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the field is InstalledSize, and it is used. |
| 16:03.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ipkg-build uses mkfs.jffs2 to estimate installed size including compression |
| 16:03.43 | TheMasterMind1 | really? i didn't see it |
| 16:05.16 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't see it in the control files kergoth |
| 16:07.09 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, i found it in the ipkg code though. right now we're using the Size: to do space left calculations, but i'll change it so Installed-Size is checked first |
| 16:07.22 | TheMasterMind1 | but its not in the control files afaicsee |
| 16:08.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: well ipkg-build's size field should match ipkg's.. who cares which it is, as long as they match |
| 16:08.13 | kergoth | eh? |
| 16:09.21 | wembly | kergoth: you ever figure out that hancom word problem? |
| 16:09.28 | wembly | you meaning in general people :) |
| 16:09.42 | kergoth | wembly: in general, yes. nightstar and his boss found it |
| 16:09.51 | kergoth | wembly: its the font handling in qt/e 2.3.4 vs 2.3.2 |
| 16:13.10 | wembly | ahh spiff |
| 16:13.18 | wembly | you have a fix for it yet? |
| 16:13.29 | ljp_work | ehh.. fonts.. who needs 'em |
| 16:13.31 | wembly | or just binary incompatablity issues? |
| 16:13.45 | kolla | between 2.3.2 and 2.3.4? |
| 16:13.50 | kolla | amazing :) |
| 16:15.03 | ljp_work | yes, they fixed font handling in 2.3.4 |
| 16:15.18 | kolla | "fixed"? |
| 16:15.23 | kolla | it wasnt there earlier? :) |
| 16:16.15 | wembly | wasnt the problem in 2.3.4 to begin with? |
| 16:16.25 | ljp_work | no, just works properly now |
| 16:16.50 | kolla | it was broken earlier, in way so that hancom found it worth while to do a workaround, that smartly enough doesnt check for wether the workaround is needed before using it? :) |
| 16:16.51 | kergoth | ljp_work: and now they fucked BC |
| 16:16.58 | ljp_work | hehe ya.. |
| 16:17.10 | ljp_work | oh well, they're Trolltech. |
| 16:17.18 | kolla | BC? |
| 16:17.20 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:17.25 | kergoth | kolla: binary compatibility |
| 16:17.36 | kolla | AD :) |
| 16:18.02 | ljp_work | it wasnt necessirly broken before, just not proper |
| 16:18.09 | kolla | I'm amazed how binary compatibility is lost every second week or so :) |
| 16:18.41 | ljp_work | other than a specific font handling, no other BC was broken |
| 16:19.04 | kergoth | 'no other' .. as if only one BC break is just fine |
| 16:19.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:19.09 | kolla | ljp_work: well, if it didnt work as the API says it should, then it is broken |
| 16:19.16 | kolla | unless there is a crappy API ofcourse :) |
| 16:20.24 | wembly | bibi |
| 16:20.44 | kolla | better compile everything staticly... |
| 16:20.48 | kolla | hehe |
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| 16:24.18 | noda | Moo! |
| 16:26.46 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 16:26.49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i can't find Size or Installed-Size in the control files for the ipks that the buildroot is building.. dunno why |
| 16:27.32 | TheMasterMind1 | also, do we want to calculate a jff2 compressed size, because what about when its installed to ram/sd/cf ? |
| 16:27.49 | TheMasterMind1 | btw, did you check out the new ipkg? |
| 16:27.50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: well, if you dont, then installing it to jffs2 will be an incorrect size |
| 16:27.56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so theres no good solution |
| 16:28.15 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, jamey was thinking we can have some constant that represents jffs2 compression |
| 16:28.20 | TheMasterMind1 | so you multiply the size by that |
| 16:28.30 | TheMasterMind1 | like .9 or whatever it ends up being |
| 16:28.33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so have you gotten your improvements into ipkg cvs? |
| 16:28.40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yep |
| 16:28.46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: good good, glad to hear it |
| 16:28.51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nice work on that |
| 16:28.58 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
| 16:28.59 | chouimat|coffee | anyone in the frankfurt area |
| 16:29.10 | TheMasterMind1 | i was trying to ipkg upgrade and it wouldn't work, so i said wtf, i'll fix it |
| 16:29.35 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: sup |
| 16:29.50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heeh. thats how a lot of things get fixed in open source, thats why i love it :) |
| 16:30.04 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Moo |
| 16:30.11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yep, great stuff |
| 16:30.17 | noda | Got a linear algebra test in 2 and a half hours. I figure I'll study for a couple of minutes. |
| 16:30.21 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:30.44 | noda | So... easy... brain... sleeping... |
| 16:30.54 | TheMasterMind1 | the buildroot is in a sad state. opie / php / fbvnc and some other stuff isn't building |
| 16:31.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so i hear. i'll be playing with it tonight at some point |
| 16:31.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not today though, work is slow, i'm taking it easy |
| 16:31.17 | TheMasterMind1 | oh crap, where'd my stylus go |
| 16:31.18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: still recovering :) |
| 16:31.23 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds good |
| 16:31.35 | TheMasterMind1 | awt-qt3 was released |
| 16:31.42 | TheMasterMind1 | and jserv from #opie wrote up a qte2.x patch |
| 16:31.47 | TheMasterMind1 | so we'll have kaffe with gui soon |
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| 16:31.52 | noda | Heh. What do I have to study... near points, "A . B x C = det(A, B, C)", vector spaces, spans, basises and subspaces :) |
| 16:31.59 | TheMasterMind1 | and Twiun is trying to get waldo working ith it too |
| 16:33.01 | TheMasterMind1 | wonka rather |
| 16:33.03 | TheMasterMind1 | not waldo |
| 16:33.03 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:33.32 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: what other ipkg bugs are there? |
| 16:33.58 | TheMasterMind1 | i got most of the dest handling stuff that was screwing up ipkg upgrade etc |
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| 16:37.11 | ljp_work | ipkg should handle reflashing the rom from a network :) |
| 16:38.55 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: how about the four items at the end of http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgTodo? We talked about the metapackage thing a bit earlier, but I suspect at least some of the other three are still outstanding. |
| 16:40.28 | chouimat|coffee | ljp_work: try dd :) |
| 16:41.35 | ljp_work | dd not good with jffs2 |
| 16:42.00 | kolla | no good with dynamically linked when people run RH from 7.2 and upwards |
| 16:42.32 | chouimat|coffee | hi Twiun |
| 16:42.33 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: yeah, my last hurdle is opie/qte |
| 16:42.39 | Twiun | hey chouimat |
| 16:42.39 | chouimat|coffee | kolla: rh sucks |
| 16:42.40 | noda | That's the sucky thing with commercial offerings... you gotta have either statically linked or zillions of different dynamically linked versions. |
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| 16:43.18 | AndyQ | hi |
| 16:43.31 | TheMasterMind1 | AndyQ: hey! |
| 16:43.42 | AndyQ | TheMasterMind1: hows things? |
| 16:43.46 | TheMasterMind1 | pretty good |
| 16:43.55 | chouimat|coffee | noda: hopefully gcc 3.3 will fix that for good |
| 16:44.03 | AndyQ | fixed any goo dipkg bugs recently? |
| 16:44.06 | AndyQ | good |
| 16:44.14 | TheMasterMind1 | who maintains ipkg-build ? |
| 16:44.18 | pb_ | jamey |
| 16:44.19 | TheMasterMind1 | AndyQ: not yet |
| 16:44.29 | noda | chouimat|coffee: Of course it won't... |
| 16:44.29 | TheMasterMind1 | pb_: where is that located? in cvs somewhere? |
| 16:44.42 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: yep, in familiar/dist/ipkg/util I think |
| 16:44.53 | Twiun | kergoth: yo, how's your todo list growing? |
| 16:44.55 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 16:44.56 | TheMasterMind1 | gotcha |
| 16:45.16 | noda | chouimat|coffee: If somebody links to v1.0 of a library and v1.1 has different functions in it, then his project won't link with v1.1 properly, plain and simple. Nothing the compiler can do. |
| 16:45.23 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm looking at ipkg-build and i dont' see anything that calculates size and puts it in the control file |
| 16:45.31 | pb_ | nope, ipkg-build does not do that. |
| 16:45.54 | TheMasterMind1 | what does? |
| 16:45.57 | pb_ | nothing. |
| 16:46.07 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, so wouldn't it be a good idea to add taht into ipkg-build ? |
| 16:46.18 | pb_ | didn't we have this conversation once before? the only packages that tend to have size headers in their control info are ones that came from debian, and the size information in those is almost always incorrect. |
| 16:46.28 | chouimat|coffee | noda: if you have the right libs you will be ok |
| 16:46.29 | TheMasterMind1 | oh? |
| 16:46.30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 16:47.01 | pb_ | incorrect because the familiar packages have had things removed without modifying the control file, that is -- the sizes are correct in the original debian packages. |
| 16:47.05 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe there's a way of telling how big the targz will expand to become |
| 16:47.15 | TheMasterMind1 | gotcha |
| 16:47.28 | pb_ | it wouldn't be all that hard to have ipkg crawl the directory of the data.tar.gz file and add up the sizes. |
| 16:47.30 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll see if there's a function in libb we can use |
| 16:47.36 | noda | chouimat|coffee: Yes, but with commercial offerings the company has to supply zillions of different versions to work with all libs. |
| 16:47.43 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, we might end up doing that |
| 16:47.44 | chouimat|coffee | noda: but normaly v1.1 will not be to much differnet of v1.0, if the lib authors are bright they will name that lib v2 |
| 16:47.50 | TheMasterMind1 | probably better than depending on the control file anyway |
| 16:47.51 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
| 16:48.03 | noda | For example, Crossover Plugin (my one commercial program) will not work on my computer, since I have glibc-2.3 and they haven't supplied a version linked against glibc-2.3. |
| 16:48.32 | noda | chouimat|coffee: You're talking about the ideal world here, not reality :P |
| 16:48.33 | chouimat|coffee | noda: then put a compat lib somewhere |
| 16:49.14 | pb_ | noda: most libraries are, in theory, upwards compatible between ABI minor revisions. Unfortunately, the authors of proprietary software seem to be particularly adept at identifying undocumented internal interfaces and generating dependencies on them. |
| 16:49.39 | noda | Yes, that's true. |
| 16:49.43 | chouimat|coffee | pb_: true that |
| 16:49.50 | noda | __ctype_tolower is what they use I think. |
| 16:49.59 | noda | (codeweavers that is) |
| 16:50.19 | noda | Why the fuck... you NEVER see that in the open-source world, because everybody hates it - they're not documented for a reason... |
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| 16:50.49 | chouimat|coffee | noda: I like those packages on freebsd : compat1, compat20, compat21 compat22 compat3x compat4x |
| 16:51.13 | noda | Heh, good idea. |
| 16:51.19 | AndyQ | TheMasterMind1: just looking and it seems like ipkg-make-index does the size bit |
| 16:51.45 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: I'm having a go with a plain qte for now |
| 16:51.45 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, that creates the packages file does't it |
| 16:51.51 | AndyQ | yup |
| 16:51.52 | TheMasterMind1 | that's just a size of the .ipk file iirc |
| 16:51.54 | chouimat|coffee | noda: notice that freebsd 2.x series use incompatible libs but the 3 and 4 series use the sames librairies |
| 16:52.00 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, i'll have a look at that |
| 16:52.06 | AndyQ | it also does the md5sum |
| 16:52.17 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: alright, kergoth should have the buildroot opie fixed by tonight sometime |
| 16:52.19 | TheMasterMind1 | hopefully anyway :) |
| 16:52.33 | AndyQ | hoorah for that |
| 16:53.37 | AndyQ | ok, bbl |
| 16:53.42 | Twiun | yay |
| 16:54.40 | chouimat|coffee | Twiun: ok |
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| 16:54.52 | kergoth | re |
| 16:56.05 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: go back to work |
| 16:56.18 | kergoth | chouimat: bah :) |
| 16:56.22 | kergoth | its pretty quiet here today |
| 16:56.37 | Twiun | hiya kergoth |
| 16:56.39 | chouimat | kergoth: need to to go back to work too |
| 16:56.49 | kergoth | Twiun: todo list is fairly low atm, all things considered |
| 16:56.56 | mickeyl | kergoth: howdy! |
| 16:57.12 | kergoth | Twiun: I wont be able to spend as much time on OZ going forward as I have historically, I have a lot of things in the real world to be taking care of |
| 16:57.31 | TheMasterMind1 | real world? what's that? |
| 16:57.39 | Twiun | kergoth: ok, have you started offloading some of the stuff on other people? |
| 16:57.51 | Twiun | getting married? |
| 16:58.14 | Twiun | moving to the UK? |
| 16:58.19 | kergoth | Twiun: some.. tik and others are helping on the kernel front, tmm is working on ipkg, schurig helps on a bunch of things.. etc |
| 16:58.22 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:58.23 | Twiun | appearing on Jerry Springer? |
| 16:58.25 | kergoth | no |
| 16:58.39 | kergoth | just focusing on myself a bit. need to get out and meet people and have fun |
| 16:58.50 | kergoth | got a taste of life in vegas, i plan on continuing it |
| 16:58.51 | kergoth | heh! |
| 16:59.02 | Twiun | darn it! |
| 16:59.06 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:59.16 | prpplague | kergoth: lol |
| 16:59.18 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth give others access to the feeds before you dissapear again :) |
| 16:59.19 | noda | Don't worry, guys, kergoth'll be back soon :P |
| 16:59.28 | prpplague | kergoth: visited the nudie bar did ya? |
| 16:59.36 | kergoth | plus, I'm thinking its time to start dating again. I think I'm done wallowing in misery over my ex- |
| 16:59.39 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:59.40 | noda | yeah, chmod g+w feeds -R :) |
| 16:59.41 | kergoth | prpplague: hell yeah |
| 16:59.41 | chouimat | kergoth: taste of life -> strip clubs????? |
| 16:59.45 | kergoth | prpplague: man, they're the cream of hte crop out there |
| 16:59.52 | kergoth | chouimat: hah, not -only- that ;) |
| 17:00.02 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 17:00.11 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, time to take a trip to vegas |
| 17:00.41 | kergoth | noda: actually, the plan is to automate the unstable feed updates, so that your bk changes will make it into the feed |
| 17:00.48 | kergoth | noda: thereby wasting less of my time |
| 17:00.51 | Dessimat0r | ooh |
| 17:01.01 | noda | rofl, now THAT is ambitious :) |
| 17:01.01 | Dessimat0r | and allowing us to live on the edge ;) |
| 17:01.05 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 17:01.14 | noda | Heck, half the time the feed won't even compile :) |
| 17:01.21 | kergoth | true that |
| 17:01.22 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:01.45 | noda | You'd have to put specific checkout dates into every Makefile in the feed, then admins would be able to change them, see if they compile, then commit. |
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| 17:01.50 | Dessimat0r | is therte no check that can be done, to make sure it compiles? (compiling takes a while ;)) |
| 17:02.04 | Dessimat0r | therte > there |
| 17:02.12 | kergoth | noda: right, that should be the process now. there arent many cvs builds that follow HEAD anymore |
| 17:02.15 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 17:02.57 | noda | Dessimat0r: Yes, try compiling :) |
| 17:03.05 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 17:03.24 | kergoth | prpplague: whats new with you? |
| 17:04.38 | chouimat | kergoth: look at aros, they have something like this for nightly build |
| 17:04.54 | kergoth | chouimat: aros.. got a url? |
| 17:05.06 | chouimat | kergoth: aros.sf.net |
| 17:05.10 | kergoth | ah, k |
| 17:06.40 | TheMasterMind1 | argh. /me hits ipkg source with a baseball bat |
| 17:10.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:12.26 | mickeyl | kergoth: did you catch up with the latest opie cvs changes? buildroot didn't build because of opiealarm moves and so on |
| 17:12.50 | kergoth | mickeyl: geh, nobody updated the new buildsystem? |
| 17:12.55 | kergoth | mickeyl: i should just switch opie over to it permanently and force people to learn it |
| 17:13.09 | kergoth | mickeyl: I need to push docs on it into opie cvs first though :) |
| 17:14.15 | prpplague | kergoth: ssdd |
| 17:14.15 | prpplague | kergoth: you need to come down here to visit |
| 17:14.22 | prpplague | kergoth: i'll take you out to some fun places |
| 17:14.46 | mickeyl | kergoth: I'm currently in the final tests of adding Python to the OZ-buildroot. So far it looks very promising :)) How would we do the integration once its finished? Should I mail all the stuff to you? |
| 17:14.48 | prpplague | kergoth: "yes sir, we need chris down here asap to work on these digi issues" |
| 17:15.24 | kergoth | prpplague: haha, there ya go. seriously, i'll be takin more vacations now. this trip to vegas was my first vacation since I started working when i was 16. thats 6 years. heh! |
| 17:15.42 | kergoth | mickeyl: nice. just email it to me, or mail me a sshv1 public key and i'll give you bk push access |
| 17:16.36 | prpplague | kergoth: well be sure and put OLS on your schedule |
| 17:17.42 | mickeyl | kergoth: ok, i think the latter is better, because there will be some more changes to the set of packages etc... the core packages all build fine, now i'm just doing the PyQt bindings. |
| 17:18.09 | mickeyl | kergoth: i had to integrate readline into the oz-buildroot, because i needed it :)) |
| 17:18.16 | kergoth | prpplague: speaking of which, what dates is it? |
| 17:18.16 | mickeyl | hope that's ok ? :) |
| 17:18.26 | kergoth | mickeyl: hah, np |
| 17:19.33 | prpplague | kergoth: iirc something like the week of july 22 |
| 17:20.08 | pb_ | prpplague: sounds about right. |
| 17:20.24 | prpplague | http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2003/ |
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| 17:20.43 | prpplague | ibot: OLS |
| 17:20.44 | | [ols] Ottawa Linux Symposium or http://www.ottawalinuxsymposium.org/ or http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2002/ or #ols |
| 17:20.56 | prpplague | ibot: forget OLS |
| 17:21.00 | | prpplague: i forgot ols |
| 17:21.05 | prpplague | ibot: OLS |
| 17:21.05 | | wish i knew, prpplague |
| 17:21.24 | prpplague | ibot: OLS is Ottawa Linux Symposium or http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2003/ |
| 17:21.25 | | prpplague: okay |
| 17:21.29 | prpplague | ibot: OLS |
| 17:21.30 | | ols is probably Ottawa Linux Symposium or http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2003/ |
| 17:21.47 | noda | Tempting :) |
| 17:22.16 | prpplague | noda: ols rocks |
| 17:22.22 | noda | How many people usually show up? |
| 17:22.29 | prpplague | noda: limited to 500 ppl |
| 17:22.34 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 17:22.42 | kergoth | hey Cloudchaser |
| 17:23.22 | noda | lol, "Key signing party" :) |
| 17:24.26 | kergoth | ols.. hmm. i'd better remember to get a passport |
| 17:24.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:24.31 | noda | ("key signing party" == "Ultimate sign of geekiness") |
| 17:24.37 | noda | You need a passport to go to Canada? |
| 17:24.43 | noda | I don't need a passport to go to the States. |
| 17:24.51 | chouimat | prpplague: when is ols next year? |
| 17:27.20 | TheMasterMind1 | awesome, get them to work on the OZ kernel :) |
| 17:28.05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh, we should just do it. :) |
| 17:28.52 | prpplague | kergoth: you just need a dl or birth certificate |
| 17:29.05 | prpplague | kergoth: and hope your laptop doesn't get destroyed |
| 17:29.33 | kergoth | prpplague: fun :) |
| 17:29.44 | prpplague | kergoth: one of sales ppl had their laptop destroyed at the CA border because they thought it was a fake laptop, it didn't have winblows on it :( |
| 17:29.50 | kergoth | ack |
| 17:30.02 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 17:30.04 | noda | Heh, I brought my birth certificate to the border once, they never ask for it. |
| 17:30.21 | noda | "What are you going down for?" "A business meeting with our partners" "Okay, you can go" |
| 17:30.47 | noda | Heh, and getting into Canada is even easier! :) |
| 17:31.34 | mrz80 | My wife left her had-since-childhood feather pillow on the bus when we went thru Canadian Customs, and they nearly impounded it :-) |
| 17:31.55 | prpplague | doh |
| 17:32.42 | chouimat | sometime customs officier are stupid |
| 17:33.15 | noda | Well, can you imagine anyone in his right mind wanting to be a customs officer? :P |
| 17:34.17 | chouimat | noda: last time I took plane: the airport officers wanted to X-Ray my 35mm film. after a little arguing I made him check them by hand ... |
| 17:34.28 | noda | lol |
| 17:34.59 | chouimat | noda: I just said if my vacation pictuires are bad I'm suing you :) |
| 17:35.03 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you print out a unsigned long long with printf |
| 17:35.06 | TheMasterMind1 | what % is it |
| 17:35.24 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: info printf |
| 17:36.27 | noda | Bah, doesn't even have long... |
| 17:37.41 | noda | %llu |
| 17:37.46 | noda | (go Google!) |
| 17:38.10 | chouimat | man 3 printf |
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| 17:43.50 | TheMasterMind1 | libbb |
| 17:44.02 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: libbb? |
| 17:44.08 | noda | TheMasterMind1: What's libbb doing to you? :) |
| 17:44.34 | TheMasterMind1 | pissing me off |
| 17:44.50 | TheMasterMind1 | libbb = libbusybox |
| 17:45.03 | noda | Does it have to do with "replace"? :) |
| 17:45.09 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 17:45.12 | noda | Damn :P |
| 17:45.16 | TheMasterMind1 | untar and debextract stuff |
| 17:46.40 | TheMasterMind1 | what is wfopen |
| 17:46.53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: extraction? talk to bug1 |
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| 17:47.24 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 17:47.33 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, there should be a stddebug |
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| 17:49.51 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: send it to stderr :) |
| 17:51.23 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: you know the command man 3 ? |
| 17:52.39 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 17:52.50 | TheMasterMind1 | laptop:/home/aman# whatis printf |
| 17:52.50 | TheMasterMind1 | printf (1) - format and print data |
| 17:52.50 | TheMasterMind1 | printf (3) - formatted output conversion |
| 17:52.50 | TheMasterMind1 | laptop:/home/aman# man 3 printf |
| 17:52.50 | TheMasterMind1 | Reformatting printf(3), please wait... |
| 17:53.08 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: where do i find bug1 |
| 17:54.00 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa, cool |
| 17:54.08 | noda | uvszprintf() :P |
| 17:54.13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 17:55.31 | noda | curl_mvsnprintf() :) |
| 17:56.30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: /j #uclibc, he might be around there |
| 17:57.53 | chouimat | kergoth: when the uclibc version of OZ? |
| 17:57.58 | TheMasterMind1 | darn, he's not |
| 17:58.30 | TheMasterMind1 | laptop:/home/aman# apropos sprintf |
| 17:58.31 | TheMasterMind1 | asprintf (3) - print to allocated string |
| 17:58.31 | TheMasterMind1 | curl_msprintf (3) - formatted output conversion |
| 17:58.31 | TheMasterMind1 | curl_msprintf curl_mvaprintf (3) [curl_maprintf] - formatted output conversion |
| 17:58.31 | TheMasterMind1 | curl_mvsprintf (3) - formatted output conversion |
| 17:58.31 | TheMasterMind1 | Segmentation fault |
| 17:58.33 | TheMasterMind1 | laptop:/home/aman# |
| 17:58.35 | TheMasterMind1 | interesting.. |
| 17:58.48 | kergoth | chouimat: whenever we get around to adding it to teh buildroot |
| 17:58.52 | TheMasterMind1 | it segfaulted.. |
| 17:59.00 | kergoth | chouimat: not much to it, its already in the tuxscreen buildroot, just need to convert to ours |
| 17:59.40 | chouimat | kergoth: do you have the tuxscreen buildroot? |
| 18:00.21 | kergoth | chouimat: yep. its in cvs on the tuxscreen sf project |
| 18:00.43 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen bug1 |
| 18:00.43 | | bug1 <~bug1@c16500.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 10h 42m 30s ago, saying: 'That Qplus looks intersting'. |
| 18:10.19 | TMM1|lunch | heh |
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| 18:15.53 | ljp_1 | boo! |
| 18:16.32 | chouimat|lunch | ljp_1: poo! |
| 18:17.22 | ljp_1 | foo! |
| 18:18.10 | TheMasterMind1 | loo |
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| 18:22.55 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: another potential ipkg issue I was discussing with Harlekin earlier is binary prelinking. Ideally you want to rerun prelink after new software is installed, and it may be that we want some kind of global postinst for that. Do you have any thoughts? |
| 18:23.18 | chouimat|lunch | cool the pc speaker can be used as a microphone in >2.5.31 |
| 18:24.42 | KallDrexx | how? |
| 18:24.48 | KallDrexx | the speaker can record sound? |
| 18:25.33 | ljp_1 | yes, all speakers can be used reversed like that |
| 18:25.48 | ljp_1 | the quality sucks |
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| 18:26.01 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 18:26.06 | KallDrexx | didn't know that |
| 18:26.20 | beattie | I understand that 2.4.20.rc? usbnet supports the Zaurus, is this true? are there any tricks to configuring it? |
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| 18:33.29 | chouimat|lunch | KallDrexx: linux 2.6 support voice recognization for all at clas computer :) |
| 18:33.56 | KallDrexx | sweet |
| 18:36.53 | Cloudchaser | damn i think my z is hosed |
| 18:37.06 | ljp_1 | why? |
| 18:37.14 | Cloudchaser | right now its not responding |
| 18:37.29 | Cloudchaser | a while ago was working with kergoth and my sd card won't umount |
| 18:37.59 | Cloudchaser | last thing i did was the umount command, said device was busy |
| 18:38.10 | Cloudchaser | its been sitting in the cradle.. now it won't respond at all |
| 18:38.28 | Cloudchaser | hd to use the hardware button to turn the light on |
| 18:39.22 | Cloudchaser | a previously working app segfaults now, since the z hung last night 2 tmes |
| 18:41.54 | cgDEF | does anyone know when OZ 3.1 is expected |
| 18:42.32 | ljp_1 | late 22nd century |
| 18:42.54 | ljp_1 | they wanted to slow down the development time |
| 18:43.35 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:43.50 | cgDEF | lol |
| 18:44.26 | TheMasterMind1 | cgDEF: couple of weeks i'd say |
| 18:44.34 | cgDEF | cool |
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| 18:53.31 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: were you the one playing with xmms+mplayer ? |
| 18:55.27 | chouimat|lunch | TheMasterMind1: not his the one who plays with is palm |
| 18:58.24 | beattie | TheMasterMind1: nope not me |
| 18:59.06 | Cloudchaser | grrr |
| 18:59.38 | Cloudchaser | tried to run the dbg..ran out of memory.. now the z is locked up again |
| 18:59.55 | Cloudchaser | killed the processes for the app and the debugger and konsole via ssh |
| 19:00.01 | Cloudchaser | but..still hung up |
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| 19:01.01 | coup | evenin all |
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| 19:01.48 | coup | anything changed in the last week worth upgrading to? :) |
| 19:03.24 | ibz | coup: ipkg update; ipkg upgrade ;) |
| 19:03.26 | numatrix | ipkg |
| 19:03.28 | coup | nothing on the changelog |
| 19:03.38 | numatrix | no, nothing in the changelog, but ipkg still should be updated. :-) |
| 19:03.43 | beattie | anybody know anything about the supposed support for zaurus in the 2.4.20rc usbnet? |
| 19:03.49 | coup | ibz: did that, got nothing, but didn't know if anything was in the unstable tree worth using :) |
| 19:03.53 | numatrix | coup: You'll want to ask TheMasterMind1 about his new ipkg. It's not in the feed, I think. |
| 19:04.02 | coup | numatrix: using the ipkg from the Topic message? |
| 19:04.07 | Cloudchaser | anyone have any ideas why i can't unmount sd card? says its busy but there's no applets running from sd card |
| 19:04.28 | ibz | coup: wget http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/ipks/ipkg_20021125-1_arm.ipk |
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| 19:05.37 | coup | ta :) |
| 19:05.52 | coup | Cloudchaser: dont have anything mounted to SD? |
| 19:05.55 | tenchiblue | has anyone gotten dialup working in OZ? |
| 19:05.58 | coup | like /opt etc? |
| 19:06.12 | Cloudchaser | i have apps installed to sd |
| 19:06.19 | KallDrexx | how do I tell gcc to compile with debugging symbols? |
| 19:06.22 | Cloudchaser | not quite sure what you're asking |
| 19:06.28 | coup | ibz: invalid magic on that ipk |
| 19:06.32 | kergoth | KallDrexx: -g |
| 19:06.50 | tenchiblue | anyone? |
| 19:07.02 | ibz | coup: what are you using to download the file? invalid magic usually means it's just a tar, and not gzipped. |
| 19:07.05 | KallDrexx | thanks kergoth |
| 19:07.12 | coup | ibz: wget |
| 19:07.33 | ibz | coup: hmmn... |
| 19:08.42 | coup | ibz: solved it |
| 19:08.49 | ibz | coup: what was it? |
| 19:08.54 | coup | ibz: copied the command from your msg, but the file is ipks not ipkg :) |
| 19:09.20 | ibz | eh? |
| 19:09.41 | coup | you wrote: http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/ipks/ipkg_20021125-1_arm.ipk file was: http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/ipks/ipks_20021125-1_arm.ipk |
| 19:10.05 | coup | So? Kergoth? hows 3.1 coming? ;) |
| 19:10.09 | ibz | coup...i got it from the topic! |
| 19:10.17 | tenchiblue | could anyone point me to a FAQ to get dialup working in OZ? |
| 19:10.55 | coup | tenchiblue: never seen one |
| 19:10.56 | ibz | numatrix: get my email? |
| 19:11.07 | Cloudchaser | is it ppp stuff? |
| 19:11.30 | ibz | Cloudchaser: what does "mount" show? |
| 19:11.35 | coup | tenchiblue: all i can find is ppp over irda here: http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq.php?id=76 |
| 19:11.49 | Cloudchaser | ibz: hang on a few.. doing a debug on an app atm |
| 19:12.48 | tenchiblue | whenever i plug my cf modem into the zaurus, it crashes |
| 19:12.58 | tenchiblue | under OZ that is....... |
| 19:13.41 | tenchiblue | module problems, maybe? |
| 19:13.48 | tenchiblue | or just another opie issue. |
| 19:13.50 | kergoth | tenchiblue: did you upgrade the oz-base package from unstable recentloy? |
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| 19:17.31 | JasonNJ | # mount /britney/spears |
| 19:17.57 | chouimat|away | JasonNJ: horny? |
| 19:18.04 | JasonNJ | # fsck /dev/aguilera |
| 19:18.27 | chouimat | # backdoor lauri.fr |
| 19:18.44 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:19.03 | ibz | cat JasonNJ chouimat > /dev/null |
| 19:19.11 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 19:19.12 | chouimat | sorry s/backdoor/backorifice :) |
| 19:19.18 | NightStar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.18 | NightStar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.18 | NightStar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.18 | NightStar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.24 | ibz | # mount /halle/berry |
| 19:19.33 | JasonNJ | totally not getting any work done at all today |
| 19:19.56 | Cloudchaser | going anywhere for thanksgiving JasonNJ? |
| 19:19.58 | kergoth | JasonNJ: its dead here today, not a damn thing to do |
| 19:20.05 | JasonNJ | just staying home |
| 19:20.11 | JasonNJ | wife is cooking |
| 19:20.19 | JasonNJ | got six people coming over and a ton of food |
| 19:20.37 | Cloudchaser | same here.. looks like the hubby has to work :( someone called in sick so he has to |
| 19:20.58 | NightStar | kergoth: The build I started last night died, couldn't CVS from somewhere, seems to be doing OK now though.. |
| 19:21.00 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: how bout you? |
| 19:21.47 | NightStar | Arrg, spoke too soon.. Now it's dying on a opie-opiealarm patch. |
| 19:22.07 | NightStar | |diff -u -3 -p -r1.1 opie-opiealarm.control |
| 19:22.07 | NightStar | |--- opie/ipaq/opiealarm/opie-opiealarm.control 31 May 2002 03:55:42 -0000 1.1 |
| 19:22.07 | NightStar | |+++ opie/ipaq/opiealarm/opie-opiealarm.control 20 Nov 2002 20:16:17 -0000 |
| 19:22.07 | NightStar | -------------------------- |
| 19:22.07 | NightStar | File to patch: |
| 19:22.21 | NightStar | And sitting at a prompt.... |
| 19:22.35 | NightStar | I was sitting at a prompt one day... |
| 19:22.40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:22.55 | TheMasterMind1 | wait for kergoth to fix the buildroot |
| 19:23.01 | NightStar | Finally hit return in the month of May... |
| 19:23.38 | NightStar | This is a case where opie cvs has a patch that don't seem to match the source. |
| 19:23.53 | NightStar | can't find file to patch at input line 4 |
| 19:23.53 | NightStar | Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? |
| 19:24.32 | NightStar | Build doesn't like when you try to skip a patch... |
| 19:24.43 | JasonNJ | http://forums.egullet.com/ibf/index.php?act=ST&f=13&t=13189&hl=turkey&s= |
| 19:26.02 | NetNut404_work | anyone else have problems with their zaurus turning on on accident all the time? |
| 19:27.40 | NightStar | NetNut404_work: No never. Could it be an alarm? |
| 19:31.20 | NetNut404_work | no, I always end up pushing a button I think |
| 19:31.40 | NightStar | Hmm. |
| 19:31.48 | NetNut404_work | and then it sits there waiting for me to put in the password to unlock it |
| 19:32.14 | NetNut404_work | I am considering making a button protector so that won't happen |
| 19:32.50 | NightStar | Which button(s) are you pressing? |
| 19:33.10 | NetNut404_work | It has a nice lether case I keep it in (bought online) and I think the cover must be pushing the buttons |
| 19:33.19 | NightStar | Ahh.. |
| 19:33.37 | NetNut404_work | it must be the on/cancel is ll I can think of |
| 19:34.21 | NetNut404_work | ll/all |
| 19:34.26 | NightStar | So that's accidentally on purpose then. |
| 19:36.14 | NetNut404_work | here is picures of the case I have it in (accept mine is black) http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/pielframa-zauruscase-review.html |
| 19:37.25 | Cloudchaser | looks like a nice case |
| 19:38.41 | NetNut404_work | Cloudchaser: it's a really nice case |
| 19:39.08 | NightStar | opie-opiealarm.control patch is trying to patch ($BUILDROOT/build/opie/bin/opiealarm, bin/opieatd, or ipaq/et None of which exist. |
| 19:39.14 | Cloudchaser | does it protect your screen well? |
| 19:39.15 | NetNut404_work | bit the thing gets turned on by accident when I am not useing it |
| 19:39.24 | TheMasterMind1 | NightStar: yea, we know |
| 19:39.32 | NetNut404_work | and then since it waits for a password it never suspends |
| 19:39.33 | NightStar | Oh, OK. :) |
| 19:40.23 | NightStar | I'm glad I'm always one step behind you MM, I would really start to scare me if you didn't already know everything :) |
| 19:40.33 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: hiya ;-) |
| 19:40.55 | Cloudchaser | how's things today Twiun? |
| 19:40.58 | TheMasterMind1 | NightStar: lol |
| 19:41.15 | NightStar | That's a lot of code in the buildroot. |
| 19:41.34 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 19:41.54 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: no change I'm afraid... |
| 19:42.44 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: working on getting the wonka vm building with the qt bindings |
| 19:42.58 | Cloudchaser | ah having no luck with it? |
| 19:43.19 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth's fixing opie build now hopefully |
| 19:43.25 | TheMasterMind1 | he's rebuilding so he'll fix as he finds problems |
| 19:43.25 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:43.27 | kergoth | among other things |
| 19:43.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: exactly |
| 19:43.37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth make buildroot fetch ipkg from cvs head |
| 19:43.40 | kergoth | i'll do a full feed build and work my way through |
| 19:43.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: k |
| 19:44.07 | kergoth | I added distribution specific workarounds yesterday, so things should start to be cleaner with less workarounds for builds on redhat/mandrake/etc boxen |
| 19:44.53 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: actually, my biggest problem is getting the Kaffe-specific stuff out of it |
| 19:45.04 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: So I'm progressing steadily |
| 19:45.29 | Cloudchaser | ah well progress is good :) |
| 19:45.41 | kergoth | hmm, tik improved his battery percentage stuff in kernel even further now |
| 19:45.47 | kergoth | have a patch pending in my inbox |
| 19:45.56 | Twiun | oh dear... /opt/buildroot-oz/tmp/qt-2.3.4-beta2/include/qglobal.h:396: parse error before `FALSE' |
| 19:46.02 | Twiun | that can't be good :-) |
| 19:47.50 | Twiun | hmmm, how do you tell the difference between c++ and c by just looking at the code? |
| 19:49.36 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth awesome |
| 19:49.51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: have you tried it? |
| 19:50.01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it jumps by like 3-4 % as it goes, but it works |
| 19:50.04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its pretty sweet |
| 19:50.11 | TheMasterMind1 | nope, haven't tried it yet |
| 19:50.17 | Cloudchaser | kergoth did you check out sandman's patches ? |
| 19:50.34 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman patched something so that qtmail now works without sharp libs |
| 19:50.41 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: the compatibility stuff? yeha i saw his cvs commits |
| 19:50.47 | TheMasterMind1 | he fixed some unresolved symbols i think in libqpe |
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| 19:50.49 | Cloudchaser | also for tkc |
| 19:50.54 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 19:51.22 | Cloudchaser | now.. once kergoth does whatever magic he is doing..then what |
| 19:51.30 | Cloudchaser | it goes into unstable feed? |
| 19:51.32 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 19:51.48 | Cloudchaser | then what? |
| 19:51.53 | TheMasterMind1 | ... then nothing |
| 19:51.55 | TheMasterMind1 | we fix more bugs |
| 19:51.59 | Cloudchaser | is it a matter of upgrading all ipkgs? |
| 19:52.17 | Cloudchaser | or do we have to reflash? |
| 19:52.26 | TheMasterMind1 | we keep fixing unstable, once in a while it goes into testing and when stuff is looking really good we release and stick it into stable |
| 19:52.29 | Cloudchaser | or is it a couple of packages? |
| 19:52.32 | TheMasterMind1 | yes, for ipks you just update from unstable |
| 19:52.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: btw, put your ipkg fixes in the unstable changelog |
| 19:52.43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i've been the only person actually using it |
| 19:52.52 | Cloudchaser | so i can do just sandmans? |
| 19:52.53 | TheMasterMind1 | for kernel, you have to reflash your kernel only, but that doesn't lose data |
| 19:53.07 | Cloudchaser | or is that kernel stuff |
| 19:54.30 | numatrix | *whew* nearly 50 compromised hosts in 5 days. That's way too much work. |
| 19:54.36 | TheMasterMind1 | that should be just in one of the opie ipks |
| 19:54.39 | TheMasterMind1 | opie-base probably |
| 19:54.44 | TheMasterMind1 | get that once kergoth updates unstable feed |
| 19:54.50 | kergoth | yep, its opie-base. libqpe stuff |
| 19:55.03 | Cloudchaser | ok ;) thank you |
| 19:55.13 | Cloudchaser | its hungry? |
| 19:55.23 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: someone trying to make sound for sniper in #zaurus? |
| 19:55.31 | mark | TheMasterMind1: mine just did too |
| 19:55.37 | numatrix | Mine beeps all the time from PM's in xchat and email so I don't even notice. |
| 19:55.50 | TheMasterMind1 | usually its because i get email or something |
| 19:56.09 | TheMasterMind1 | i have so many ssh connections to different machines open, i dunno which one did it |
| 20:04.59 | kergoth | ~yow |
| 20:05.04 | kergoth | ibot: yow |
| 20:05.08 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:05.15 | numatrix | ~zsi hancom |
| 20:05.22 | kergoth | wtf |
| 20:05.33 | numatrix | yeah; he's been broken since this morning |
| 20:05.55 | numatrix | btw, welcome back kergoth, I don't know that I've actually said hey since you got back. Good to see you didn't go broke. ;-) |
| 20:06.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:06.37 | NightStar | kergoth: You didn't find a Zaurus A700 floating around at Comdex did you? |
| 20:06.45 | kergoth | NightStar: i wish :) |
| 20:07.31 | NightStar | I was telling one of my employees about it and he said, "Oh, I have friends in Japan..." |
| 20:08.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:08.42 | numatrix | That's one way of doing it. |
| 20:08.48 | numatrix | Not exactly a cheap way, but one way. |
| 20:14.01 | mickeyl | kergoth: buildroot-oz doesn't build current opie, because the opie-opiealarm.patch doesn't find opie/ipaq/opiealarm/opie-opiealarm.control |
| 20:14.15 | kergoth | mickeyl: yeah, i know |
| 20:14.19 | kergoth | mickeyl: i'm looking into it atm |
| 20:14.23 | mickeyl | any quick fix for me to get it to build? |
| 20:14.24 | mickeyl | ah ok. |
| 20:14.35 | kergoth | mickeyl: considering i was the one that moved opiealarm, i shouldve seen it coming |
| 20:14.38 | kergoth | mickeyl: hehe |
| 20:14.39 | mickeyl | hehe :) |
| 20:16.00 | Twiun | beattie`kd: ping |
| 20:18.19 | beattie`kd | Twiun: pong |
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| 20:22.15 | Twiun | beattie: what does Kaffe use? C or C++? |
| 20:23.05 | beattie | Twiun: let me double check |
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| 20:24.40 | Xentac[work] | kergoth: you there? |
| 20:25.03 | beattie | Twiun: a quick check shows only C |
| 20:26.10 | Twiun | beattie: ok... so the qtawt stuff is .cc, doesn't that imply c++? |
| 20:26.23 | beattie | Twiun: yes |
| 20:26.51 | Twiun | beattie: can the two coexist in the same codebase? |
| 20:26.53 | Xentac[work] | has anyone else noticed that when you tell the Network app that you're in Ad-Hoc mode, it writes to the wireless.opts file AdHoc, instead of Ad-Hoc? |
| 20:26.57 | beattie | Twiun: qt is c++ |
| 20:27.16 | Xentac[work] | ah, nevermind... it's already in the bug list |
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| 20:27.27 | beattie | Twiun: sure, C++ is/was a strcit superset of C, started out as a preprocessor |
| 20:27.43 | Twiun | beattie: problem I'm having is craploads of compiler errors regardless of treating them as C or C++... |
| 20:28.17 | beattie | Twiun: what code is this? |
| 20:28.38 | Twiun | this is working the qtawt code into wonka |
| 20:28.52 | Twiun | I get lots of "parse error before X" errors |
| 20:30.29 | beattie | g++ should be able to handle plain C code, unless I am much mistaken, could be include file sproblems |
| 20:31.08 | beattie | gcc will choke wit that kind of error on C++ code |
| 20:31.40 | Twiun | hmm...ok, lemme force the makefile to use g++ |
| 20:32.10 | Twiun | ah. I already am |
| 20:32.15 | Twiun | arm-linux-g++ |
| 20:32.29 | Twiun | maybe arm-linux-gcc instead then... |
| 20:32.31 | beattie | I would suspect include file problmes |
| 20:32.42 | beattie | if the code looks ok |
| 20:33.04 | Twiun | the wonka code builds fine unless I strap qtawt into it ;-) |
| 20:33.38 | Twiun | lol... gcc/g++ make no difference - must be include file problems |
| 20:33.56 | beattie | "strap qtawt" covers a multitude of sins |
| 20:34.16 | Twiun | oh yeah, most definately |
| 20:34.24 | Twiun | especially coming from a java background |
| 20:34.38 | Twiun | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.01 | Twiun | I have to say that compiler errors from javac are far more useful |
| 20:35.31 | beattie | I suspect it depned on how well you know the language :) |
| 20:35.39 | Twiun | true... |
| 20:35.59 | Twiun | my knowledge of C/C++ is about equal to my knowledge of advanced quantum physics |
| 20:36.20 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, i'm taking quantum next semester.. |
| 20:36.20 | Twiun | ./configure && make && make install is usually my limit |
| 20:36.41 | beattie | send me the output of the make and the source file beattie@beattie-home.net |
| 20:36.55 | Twiun | mind you, this is the way I learned java... |
| 20:37.00 | Twiun | will do |
| 20:37.16 | beattie | a glutton for punishment |
| 20:37.47 | Twiun | well... the c book I have doesn't cover things going wrong :-) |
| 20:38.59 | beattie | of course not the authors never make mistakes |
| 20:39.56 | Twiun | too true |
| 20:42.43 | Twiun | thanks for having a look beattie |
| 20:44.01 | beattie | Twiun: thankme when/if I have some answers :) |
| 20:44.13 | Twiun | hehe |
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| 20:45.08 | Nighthawk98TJ | Anyone know where to find the crystal icon set from KDE for the Z that is pictured HERE: http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website//content/shots/opie/oz3-01.png ? |
| 20:46.22 | NightStar | bk really is cool. |
| 20:46.55 | Twiun | Nighthawk98TJ: afaik, those are just the 32x32 crystal iconset and manually editted .desktop files |
| 20:47.35 | Nighthawk98TJ | Twiun: oh, ok, i was hoping i could just dload a package for that somewhere, but i havent found one yet... |
| 20:48.07 | Twiun | Nighthawk98TJ: the iconset can be found on http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/ |
| 20:48.18 | Twiun | but no easy install options |
| 20:48.31 | Nighthawk98TJ | yeah, ive got the icons, thanks |
| 20:48.56 | NightStar | kergoth: Your new OS of build machine appears to work very well. |
| 20:51.38 | Nighthawk98TJ | time to find some good wallpaper for Opie :) |
| 20:59.36 | beattie | Twiun: it looks like you snipped the error |
| 20:59.53 | Twiun | beattie: oh... oops |
| 21:00.33 | Twiun | higher or lower? |
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| 21:01.52 | Xentac[work] | how often is the unstable feed compiled? |
| 21:02.01 | beattie | Twiun: at the end I see"In file included from |
| 21:02.01 | beattie | /opt/buildroot-oz/build/open-wonka/wonka/include/jni.h:3 " I think the real error message follows that |
| 21:02.24 | mickeyl | Xentac[work]: every few days - why? |
| 21:03.02 | Xentac[work] | mickeyl: hmmm... cause I've been checking for the last while... and there have been no new packages... |
| 21:03.17 | Twiun | beattie: want me to mail that, or paste it in #flood? |
| 21:03.52 | mickeyl | Xentac[work]: mr. buildmaster kergoth has been on vacation :) he is back since yesterday - stay tuned. |
| 21:04.08 | Xentac[work] | mickeyl: ah, no wonder I haven't seen him around :) |
| 21:04.10 | Xentac[work] | it's all good |
| 21:04.22 | beattie | Twiun: paste it |
| 21:04.40 | NightStar | He's wringing the features out of a new build now. |
| 21:06.06 | Twiun | beattie: for some reason I imagined my edit buffer in xchat was bigger ;-) |
| 21:06.25 | beattie | Twiun: I've got enough for now |
| 21:07.02 | NightStar | Xentac[work]: Yea, but there were some opie CVS problems. |
| 21:07.13 | Xentac[work] | oh, so it just stopped running then |
| 21:07.14 | Xentac[work] | ? |
| 21:07.19 | Twiun | beattie: great, thanks |
| 21:07.38 | NightStar | It wouldn't build because one of the opie patches couldn't be applied. |
| 21:08.00 | NightStar | I think it's fixed now though, I think I'm past that point in the build. |
| 21:08.53 | mickeyl | what is the command to update a bk tree ? bk pull? |
| 21:09.03 | NightStar | Yes, bk pull |
| 21:09.35 | NightStar | Make sure to run make menuconfig if your not on a debian machine. |
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| 21:10.33 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't look like opie's fixed yet in the buildroot |
| 21:10.34 | TheMasterMind1 | just wait |
| 21:12.18 | Xentac[work] | back to work now... |
| 21:16.07 | JasonNJ | http://web.mit.edu/patil/www/media/video/yatta.asf |
| 21:16.13 | JasonNJ | be afraid, be very afraid. |
| 21:18.16 | TheMasterMind1 | JasonNJ: what the fuck.. |
| 21:19.28 | JasonNJ | yeah someone sent it to me |
| 21:19.34 | JasonNJ | that was my EXACT reaction |
| 21:20.02 | NightStar | touch: creating `/home/mhjack/OpenZaurus/buildroot/build/ipktemp/ipkg-20021127-1/CONTROL/control': No such file or directory |
| 21:20.31 | Nighthawk98TJ | what package do I need to play MPEG movies in Opie-MoviePlayer? |
| 21:20.37 | Nighthawk98TJ | MediaPlayer* |
| 21:20.58 | TheMasterMind1 | NightStar: it does that the first time for some weird reason, type make again and it will work that time |
| 21:21.37 | NightStar | The actual dir is ipkg-20021126-1 not 27.. |
| 21:22.16 | TheMasterMind1 | that might be causing it.. |
| 21:22.22 | NightStar | :) |
| 21:26.51 | NightStar | Yep, still getting patch problems at opie-opiealarm |
| 21:27.45 | mickeyl | NightStar: just remove this patch line from packages/opie/Makefile |
| 21:28.30 | NightStar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.30 | NightStar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.41 | mickeyl | yep |
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| 21:32.01 | JasonNJ | http://homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html |
| 21:33.21 | beattie | Twiun: I'm not sure about "/opt/buildroot-oz/build/open-wonka/wonka/include/wonka.h:209: parse erro |
| 21:33.21 | beattie | r before `this'" |
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| 21:33.55 | beattie | Twiun: but "/opt/buildroot-oz/build/open-wonka/wonka/include/jni.h:139: parse error |
| 21:33.55 | beattie | before `jmethodID'" looks like something is not defined |
| 21:38.08 | JasonNJ | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/weeee.html |
| 21:40.05 | TheMasterMind1 | sweeeeeeeeeet. |
| 21:40.09 | TheMasterMind1 | new busybox has udhcpd |
| 21:44.13 | beattie | Twiun: what I do see is conflicting declarations |
| 21:44.57 | Twiun | beattie: ok, which symbols? |
| 21:49.27 | Twiun | ok... jmethodID is a w_method... now where is that defined... |
| 21:50.12 | Twiun | hmmm, wonka/include/wonka.h:79:typedef struct w_Method * w_method; |
| 21:50.18 | bipolar | OT: Does anyone here run a DHCP server that automaticly updates their DNS? |
| 21:50.50 | bipolar | This is my first time trying to get this bastard to work and I'm just not getting anything. |
| 21:52.04 | ibz | bipolar: look at "option domain-name-servers" - but am not sure about "automatic updates" |
| 21:52.10 | Nighthawk98TJ | what startup script should i edit in OZ to automatically mount my samba shares and start fbvncserver? |
| 21:55.06 | ibz | Nighthawk98TJ: mount shares => /etc/fstab |
| 21:55.16 | ibz | woops |
| 21:55.36 | Nighthawk98TJ | ibz: ya, but i need to use smbmount, so im not sure how that's gonna work... it also needs to have the wireless up before it can do that |
| 21:55.53 | Nighthawk98TJ | is there an rc.local file? |
| 21:55.56 | ibz | Nighthawk98TJ: mount -t smbfs |
| 21:56.31 | bipolar | ibz: I think thats for telling the clients what DNS server to use. I need my DHCP server to update my dns records. I know it can be done, but the documentation is sketchy |
| 21:58.01 | Nighthawk98TJ | ibz: it wont work for me for some reason unless I use the smbmount command... |
| 21:59.18 | ibz | Nighthawk98TJ: sorry, i don't know. |
| 21:59.42 | Nighthawk98TJ | ibz: dont know if a startup script? anyone? |
| 22:00.30 | NightStar | opie-power.patch failed with error code 256 |
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| 22:07.56 | Twiun | beattie: I think my problems may be caused by those sections I'm commenting out - it's quite likely some wonka headers will fulfil the same purposes |
| 22:08.01 | mrwoody | did anyone manage to use usbnet with 2.4.20-rc3? |
| 22:18.47 | beattie | mrwoody: I'm working with it right now |
| 22:19.18 | mrwoody | beattie: what kernel? |
| 22:20.20 | mrwoody | beattie: does it work? |
| 22:20.35 | mrwoody | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 22:20.37 | | kergoth is currently on #opie (4h 37m 22s) #uclibc (4h 37m 22s) #picogui (4h 37m 22s) #tuxscreen (4h 37m 22s) #zaurus (4h 37m 22s) #elinux (4h 37m 22s) #handhelds.org (4h 37m 22s) #openzaurus (4h 37m 22s). Has said a total of 358 messages. Is idling for 2h 5m 59s |
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| 22:21.27 | Dessimat0r[2] | hmm |
| 22:21.46 | Dessimat0r[2] | !nickserv ghost Dessimat0r |
| 22:22.08 | Dessimat0r[2] | not registered... ah well ;) |
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| 22:26.41 | mrwoody | beattie: still there? |
| 22:26.53 | beattie | mrwoody: yes |
| 22:27.01 | mrwoody | what kernel r u using/ |
| 22:27.10 | beattie | 2.4.20rc4 |
| 22:27.18 | mrwoody | does usbnet work for u ? |
| 22:27.52 | beattie | not yet, having trouble configuring/deconfiguring hotplug |
| 22:28.20 | beattie | I'm not sure if the unbdnet stuff I added is not fouling things uyp |
| 22:28.27 | mrwoody | hotplug? does it work without hotplug? |
| 22:28.36 | mrwoody | r u using usbnet or usbdnet? |
| 22:28.44 | beattie | usbnet |
| 22:28.53 | mrwoody | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.00 | beattie | I hade usbdnet under 2.4.19 |
| 22:29.02 | mrwoody | mine had a lot of problems during the patch |
| 22:29.07 | mrwoody | ok.. same here |
| 22:29.33 | mrwoody | where did u get the patch? |
| 22:29.42 | beattie | with 2.4.20rc? you should use the usbnet in the kernel, not the usbdnet patches |
| 22:30.49 | mrwoody | beattie: i know... but u have to add a patch, otherwise it wouldn't support the zaurus |
| 22:31.05 | mrwoody | i have a patch.. but it is not very useful at the moment.. i found it at lkml |
| 22:31.36 | beattie | 2.4.20 adds support for the Zaurus |
| 22:32.33 | mrwoody | beattie: hmm? where did u read that? kergoth told me the opposite, and actually also inside usbnet.c is written that the zaurus is not compatible |
| 22:33.34 | mrwoody | unless they add the support on the rc4, but i doubt that |
| 22:35.02 | beattie | I've been told specifically it is there in rc1 I think |
| 22:35.26 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you still around? |
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| 22:35.50 | mrwoody | beattie: from? |
| 22:36.19 | mrwoody | beattie: well try to read usbnet.c (look for the word Zaurus in it) |
| 22:37.38 | mrwoody | beattie: anyway i have tried to install the patch and sitll doesn't work |
| 22:42.14 | nasa | ibot tkc |
| 22:42.15 | | methinks tkc is at http://www.thekompany.com/embedded |
| 22:42.18 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl |
| 22:42.25 | TheMasterMind1 | look at www.sonymusic.com |
| 22:43.14 | NightStar | cute. |
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| 22:50.27 | nasa | Anyone aware why certain apps stopped working with oz3.0? for example tkc apps, nfdb, neocal :<, MaxMame, etc... |
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| 22:51.10 | mrwoody | hi chouimat |
| 23:00.45 | mrwoody | beattie: did u get anythign? |
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| 23:26.52 | Onyx4 | im off on vacation for thanksgiving! |
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| 23:48.27 | Nighthawk98TJ | Anyone have any idea why OpiePlayer will not play MPEG movies? Is there a decoder package I need? I have the MP3 ones... |
| 23:48.50 | Nighthawk98TJ | It says, "The following file was not found: <the location of the file im trying to open>" |
| 23:57.01 | kolla | no idea |
| 23:57.11 | kolla | tried mplayer yet? :) |
| 23:57.17 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:57.23 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone wanna do something for me? |
| 23:57.35 | TheMasterMind1 | i want someone to download the latest xmms-embedded |
| 23:57.46 | TheMasterMind1 | replace its mplayer binaries with the ones i built |
| 23:57.51 | TheMasterMind1 | and see if it plays stuff better |
| 23:59.05 | kolla | dont have any files to play :) |
