irclog2html for #openzaurus on 20021203

`00:00.06`	`ibz`	`Cloudchaser_: i had a similar problem...then i realised the card was "locked" ;)`
`00:00.18`	`NightStar`	`Oh, yea, they do have a lock on them.`
`00:00.39`	`NightStar`	`You wouldn't be able to write to it though if it was locked.`
`00:01.02`	`ibz`	`NightStar: don't think it's the same thing...`
`00:01.20`	`Cloudchaser_`	`i could write to it`
`00:01.47`	`Cloudchaser_`	`why would i have some base part of oz installed on my sd card?`
`00:02.00`	`NightStar`	`I'm not having any problem fscking my /mnt/card (/dev/mmcda1)`
`00:02.14`	`Cloudchaser_`	`thats good nightstar :)`
`00:02.18`	`Cloudchaser_`	`i did though`
`00:02.39`	`Cloudchaser_`	`and i got apps hanging in "D" state and it just wasn't stable`
`00:02.51`	`Cloudchaser_`	`hosed my db 2 times in one day..`
`00:03.02`	`NightStar`	`Cloudchaser_: Hmm.. wow bummer...`
`00:03.36`	`Cloudchaser_`	`yah i was bummed`
`00:03.55`	`Cloudchaser_`	`i like oz pretty much`
`00:04.09`	`NightStar`	`Was someone going to update the unstable feed again today?`
`00:05.35`	`Dessimat0r`	`the the unstable feed usable atm?`
`00:05.46`	`Dessimat0r`	`the = is`
`00:05.48`	`Dessimat0r`	`lol`
`00:05.50`	`ibz`	`Dessimat0r: no.`
`00:05.54`	`Dessimat0r`	`ah`
`00:05.59`	`Dessimat0r`	`so thats why my Zaurus stopped working`
`00:06.07`	`*** join/#openzaurus Cloudchaser (~Cloudchas@ool-182dd8bb.dyn.optonline.net)`
`00:06.09`	`ibz`	`Dessimat0r: i tried following the instructions in the topic.`
`00:06.17`	`ibz`	`but the upgrade kept hanging`
`00:06.21`	`ibz`	`ipkg is screwed.`
`00:06.21`	`NightStar`	`Oops!`
`00:06.37`	`Dessimat0r`	`hmm, i see ;)`
`00:06.41`	`ibz`	`what i've done is upgrade to unstable using the old ipkg`
`00:07.14`	`ibz`	`it seems the new one just fills up root.`
`00:07.19`	`NightStar`	`I can't get the bk to compile either.`
`00:07.19`	`Dessimat0r`	`ah`
`00:08.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`im 'back again`
`00:08.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`00:08.25`	`Dessimat0r`	`yo`
`00:08.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`can i format my SD card jff2?`
`00:08.58`	`NightStar`	`libpcap would'n compile.`
`00:09.00`	`Dessimat0r`	`heard kergoth say it a while back, no ;)`
`00:09.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`why not`
`00:09.34`	`Dessimat0r`	`dunno, said that it had special crap on it`
`00:09.41`	`Dessimat0r`	`or something`
`00:09.42`	`Dessimat0r`	`;)`
`00:10.11`	`NightStar`	`What the heck is libvorbis?`
`00:10.23`	`*** join/#openzaurus BZFlag (timr@rikers.org)`
`00:10.29`	`Dessimat0r`	`for ogg vorbis?`
`00:10.30`	kergoth`out	`TheMasterMind1: remove stock libvorbis from the buildroot, since we're using tremor, its not necessary`
`00:10.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`out: yea, ok
`00:10.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`out: can i jffs2 my SD?
`00:11.02`	kergoth`out	`fraid not, jffs2 only works on mtd devices`
`00:11.04`	kergoth`out	`aka, flash`
`00:11.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`damn`
`00:11.09`	`Dessimat0r`	`see? ;)`
`00:11.12`	kergoth`out	`BZFlag: hey tim`
`00:12.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`open("/opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/imagecodecs", O_RDONLY\|O_NONBLOCK\|O_LARGEFILE\|O_DIRECTORY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`00:12.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`write(2, "QDir::readDirEntries: Cannot rea"..., 83QDir::readDirEntries: Cannot read the directory: /opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/imagecodecs) = 83`
`00:12.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`write(2, "\n", 1`
`00:12.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`maybe that is needed?`
`00:13.05`	kergoth`out	`its harmless, nearly every opie app dumps that message :)`
`00:13.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`aha!!!!!!!!!`
`00:13.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`found it`
`00:13.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`open("/usr/share/operabuttons/opno_sec.png", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`00:13.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`open("/usr/share/operabuttons/oplow_sec.png", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`00:13.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`open("/usr/share/operabuttons/opmed_sec.png", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`00:13.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`open("/usr/share/operabuttons/ophigh_sec.png", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`00:13.27`	kergoth`out	`whats up`
`00:13.29`	kergoth`out	`hah`
`00:13.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`open("/usr/share/operabuttons/opreload.png", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`00:13.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`open("/usr/share/operabuttons/opstop.png", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`00:13.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`open("/usr/share/operabuttons/opback.png", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`00:13.38`	kergoth`out	`so we need to add those to the opera creator eh?`
`00:13.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`open("/usr/share/operabuttons/opforward.png", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`00:13.43`	kergoth`out	`or ..?`
`00:13.44`	`TheMasterMind1`	`open("/usr/share/operabuttons/opurl.png", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`00:13.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`open("/usr/share/operabuttons/opzoom.png", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`00:13.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`open("/usr/share/operabuttons/opbookmarks.png", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`00:13.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`open("/usr/share/operabuttons/oppreferences.png", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`00:13.55`	*** kick/#openzaurus [TheMasterMind1!~kergoth@oemx.digi.com] by kergoth`out (flood)
`00:13.56`	`*** join/#openzaurus TheMasterMind1 (foobar@h-69-3-1-45.MCLNVA23.covad.net)`
`00:14.00`	`Dessimat0r`	`rofl`
`00:14.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`open("/usr/share/operabuttons/ophelp.png", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`00:14.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oops.`
`00:14.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i am god.`
`00:14.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yes!`
`00:14.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and it works!`
`00:14.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	`haha!`
`00:14.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i need those icons`
`00:14.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`00:14.21`	`TheMasterMind1`	`:)`
`00:14.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so opera works on OZ`
`00:14.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`w00t`
`00:14.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`almost anyway`
`00:14.40`	kergoth`out	`nice`
`00:15.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`this is sweet. need to mount sharp rom now`
`00:15.11`	kergoth`out	`does operacreator grab those?`
`00:15.16`	`ibz`	`TheMasterMind1: where's your mplayer stuff?`
`00:15.36`	kergoth`out	`ibz: should be in unstable`
`00:15.51`	`ibz`	kergoth`out: thanx...where's ldd?
`00:15.55`	kergoth`out	`course the b0rked ipkg wont install its dependencies..`
`00:15.58`	kergoth`out	`TheMasterMind1: hint hint`
`00:16.00`	kergoth`out	`:)`
`00:16.07`	`ibz`	kergoth`out: am using the old ipkg
`00:16.09`	kergoth`out	`ibz: dont have it ipk'd up handy`
`00:16.13`	`ibz`	`ok`
`00:16.23`	kergoth`out	`okay i'm no longer on hold, i'm out of here :)`
`00:16.24`	kergoth`out	`bbl`
`00:16.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`out: heh, you try fixing that deps code
`00:16.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its absolute HELL`
`00:16.41`	`ibz`	`TheMasterMind1: but it worked before ;)`
`00:16.53`	`ibz`	`or gave the illusion that it did`
`00:17.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i dunno what borke it`
`00:17.19`	`ciao_linux`	`TheMasterMind1: is it possible to do a ipkg file with that?`
`00:17.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ciao_linux: with what`
`00:17.33`	`*** join/#openzaurus Onyx4 (onyx4@adsl-63-194-216-219.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)`
`00:17.33`	`ciao_linux`	`opera`
`00:18.06`	`Onyx4`	`hey im back!!`
`00:18.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`00:18.35`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4: mplayer works AWESOME!`
`00:18.37`	`Onyx4`	`lots of changes to catch up :)`
`00:18.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and opera does too!`
`00:18.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ahahhahahahahahahha`
`00:18.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its greeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttt`
`00:18.48`	`Onyx4`	`I think I'll mrproper and update my Z hehe`
`00:18.57`	`Onyx4`	`even with mp3 it plays faster now?`
`00:18.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4: we're using mplayer from cvs with tremor instead of vorbis`
`00:18.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`works nice`
`00:19.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and xmms-e is awesome`
`00:19.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`will be in the feed soon`
`00:19.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its basically a frontend to mplayer`
`00:19.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and sandman and pb fixed opie libs so opera now works on oz`
`00:19.24`	`Onyx4`	`do you still use fbdev or sdl? I mean is there refresh problems or something?`
`00:19.34`	`ciao_linux`	`Onyx4: did you write zaurusrip.sh?`
`00:19.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`we use fbdev`
`00:19.37`	`Onyx4`	`oh that's cool`
`00:19.38`	`johaBBa`	`i was just driving to McD's and played mp3 off my Z thru my radio aux input.`
`00:19.48`	`Onyx4`	`ciao_linux: ye`
`00:19.52`	`Onyx4`	`ciao_linux: but it's quite old now`
`00:20.01`	`Onyx4`	`ciao_linux: I'm using zmencoder instead now that I also wrote`
`00:20.14`	`ciao_linux`	`Onyx4: why does it transcode twice?`
`00:20.21`	`Onyx4`	`2 pass mode`
`00:20.27`	`ciao_linux`	`Onyx4: did you put it somewhere?`
`00:20.36`	`Onyx4`	`I probably still have it on my site`
`00:20.44`	`Onyx4`	`63.194.216.219/zaurusrip.sh try that`
`00:20.51`	`ibz`	`TheMasterMind1: can't install xmms-embedded...keeps complaining about libSDL which should be provided by qte-sdl`
`00:21.02`	`ciao_linux`	`no i mean zmencoder?`
`00:21.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibz: wait until i compile and put into feed`
`00:21.20`	`Onyx4`	`ibot: zmencoder`
`00:21.21`		`zmencoder is, like, at http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt`
`00:21.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i'm waiting on word back form the maintainer`
`00:21.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4: make it use ogg now`
`00:21.32`	`ibz`	`TheMasterMind1: ok.`
`00:21.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`like that guy on that encoding page`
`00:21.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot mplayer`
`00:21.39`		`somebody said mplayer was http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/mplayer_0.90pre7-1e_arm.ipk, or see http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/encoding.html`
`00:21.51`	`Onyx4`	`yes I will revise my scripts for OGM/OGG`
`00:21.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot no, mplayer is see http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/encoding.html`
`00:21.53`		`TheMasterMind1: okay`
`00:22.17`	`Onyx4`	`I think transcode is actually getting good on ogg/ogm creation and speed might be better, so i'm thinking of switching back as default we'll see`
`00:22.19`	`Onyx4`	`I need to test both`
`00:22.25`	`NightStar`	`MasterMind: Did you need files from the Sharp ROM?`
`00:22.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yes`
`00:22.35`	`TheMasterMind1`	`/usr/share/operabuttons/*`
`00:22.53`	`NightStar`	`I think we have have a 2.38 Sharp ROM rsync somewhere.`
`00:23.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`cool`
`00:23.38`	`NightStar`	`Or rather Bossman has one. Let me go ask him.`
`00:24.03`	`Onyx4`	`did we find out ext2 was slow?`
`00:24.12`	`Onyx4`	`I mean why it was slow`
`00:24.18`	`Onyx4`	`and is opie-alarm working now?`
`00:24.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sync`
`00:24.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4: almost...`
`00:24.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`one more bug left`
`00:24.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`unstable is severly borken`
`00:24.44`	`*** join/#openzaurus ljp (~wind@204.144.239.159)`
`00:24.46`	`Onyx4`	`mmm so if I remove sync from ext2 fs it will be fast?`
`00:24.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`forking doesn't work`
`00:24.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`no clue why`
`00:24.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`but forking just stopped working`
`00:24.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i think its something about kergoth's build`
`00:25.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`when i built stuff it was working`
`00:25.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`not sure`
`00:25.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4: yea, should be fast`
`00:25.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ljp: opera works on OZ`
`00:25.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`with sandman's latest fixes`
`00:25.42`	`Onyx4`	`pretty cool`
`00:25.55`	`ljp`	`ahh cool.. preload stuff, eh.?`
`00:25.55`	`ibz`	`TheMasterMind1: shoudl that be /usr/share/opera/buttons/*`
`00:26.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ljp: yep`
`00:26.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibz: this is trying to load operabuttons/ but that could be it too`
`00:26.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its a bunch of png files`
`00:26.37`	`ljp`	`not the most eligant solution, but whatever works`
`00:26.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`opno_sec.png`
`00:26.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`etc`
`00:27.08`	`ibz`	`TheMasterMind1: i got the directory tarred up, want me to send?`
`00:27.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yes dcc it`
`00:29.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`thanks`
`00:29.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sweet. opera works`
`00:29.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`icons and all`
`00:29.18`	`ibz[shower]`	`TheMasterMind1: np`
`00:29.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`cept the google image won't show up`
`00:29.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`no clue why`
`00:29.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`other images show up`
`00:29.56`	`ibz[shower]`	`TheMasterMind1: there are a bunch of directories at the same level as buttons...`
`00:30.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`like what`
`00:30.48`	`ibz[shower]`	`doc, help, plugins, start, styles, buttons`
`00:30.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm. tar it all up and send please`
`00:31.03`	`ibz[shower]`	`in /usr/QtPalmtop.rom/opera`
`00:31.04`	`ibz[shower]`	`ok`
`00:31.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`thanks`
`00:32.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`opera will work in oz3.1`
`00:33.03`	`cbok`	`tmm u running oz 3.1?`
`00:33.24`	`Onyx4`	`should I use the gcc 2.93.4 toolchain build from toolchain instead of the 2.95.3 we were using?`
`00:33.45`	`Onyx4`	`I mean from buildroot`
`00:33.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`cbok: sure.. :)`
`00:34.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oz3.1rc2 i guess`
`00:34.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lots of bugs still`
`00:34.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4: huh? the buildroot don't build a 2.95 toolchain`
`00:34.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`we're all using the same one as before`
`00:34.44`	`Onyx4`	`I tought I saw someone add 2.95.4 to buildroot`
`00:34.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`that was me`
`00:34.51`	`cbok`	`REALLY buggy, or sorta buggy? :)`
`00:34.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`trying to build a gcc that would run on the Z`
`00:35.00`	`Onyx4`	`oh I see`
`00:35.07`	`Onyx4`	`that's different :)`
`00:35.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`cbok: right now, really buggy. stuff doesn't fork, ssh won't run and you cant login to console.`
`00:35.24`	`cbok`	`oooh`
`00:35.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`basically, its all the stuff that's wrong in the unstable feed`
`00:35.29`	`cbok`	`extra-funky buggy`
`00:35.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`since that IS oz3.1`
`00:35.35`	`*** join/#openzaurus godsmoke (~godsmoke@66.93.85.21)`
`00:35.38`	`cbok`	`:-D`
`00:35.44`	`Onyx4`	`are we still using oz-base or ramses now?`
`00:35.53`	`Onyx4`	`kergoth was talking about a merge`
`00:35.56`	`godsmoke`	`hey, can opie player play wmv files?`
`00:36.01`	`Onyx4`	`not sure if that has happened yet`
`00:37.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`dunno`
`00:37.30`	`Onyx4`	`ok probably not`
`00:37.42`	`godsmoke`	`ok, next question, can opie player play movie files off of a removable media card?`
`00:37.50`	`Onyx4`	`so the ipkg now in buildroot is the one with your fixes?`
`00:38.57`	`Dessimat0r`	`I'm running the unstable :D`
`00:39.16`	`johaBBa`	`the feed is fixed now?`
`00:39.18`	`Dessimat0r`	`managed to get it to install`
`00:39.24`	`Dessimat0r`	`on OZ3.0`
`00:39.38`	`Dessimat0r`	`remember that I don't use online feeds ;)`
`00:39.42`	`Dessimat0r`	`i just download`
`00:39.48`	`Dessimat0r`	`and update each individually`
`00:40.15`	`johaBBa`	`yeah, that's what i do....but some of the ipks were f00ked.`
`00:40.28`	`johaBBa`	`you got vnc to work?`
`00:40.37`	`Dessimat0r`	`don't use vnc`
`00:40.44`	`johaBBa`	`ah.`
`00:46.20`	`Onyx4`	`TheMasterMind1: any plans for ipkg to support symlinking?`
`00:46.44`	`Onyx4`	`I'm thinking of reflashing and moving /opt to SD`
`00:47.54`	`Onyx4`	`what's tremor?`
`00:48.07`	`Onyx4`	`xine uses a special libvorbis for floating point`
`00:48.14`	`Onyx4`	`it's supposed to be better`
`00:48.16`	`Onyx4`	`I mean op2`
`00:48.47`	`Onyx4`	`we're also gonna have to be careful with op2 not to conflict with their mediacodec since they provide /usr/lib/libogg already`
`00:48.52`	`Onyx4`	`so the ipk will conflict`
`00:50.47`	`*** join/#openzaurus lsmith (~vandal@pD9E76F2F.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`00:51.33`	`Dessimat0r`	`the qtembedded ipk on the unstable hangs every time`
`00:52.33`	`Dessimat0r`	`I've just borked my Z again`
`00:52.33`	`Dessimat0r`	`lol`
`00:52.48`	`johaBBa`	`you better cut that out...you'll go blind.`
`00:53.19`	`Dessimat0r`	`?`
`00:54.01`	`beattie`	fresh tree "make[3]: Entering directory `/home/beattie/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/ipkg/C/replace'
`00:54.01`	`beattie`	make[3]: *** No rule to make target `malloc.c', needed by `malloc.o'. Stop."
`00:54.38`	`beattie`	`ibot buildroot`
`00:54.38`		`methinks buildroot is a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ or a heavily modified version used by the OpenZaurus project`
`00:54.49`	`beattie`	`ibot oz`
`00:54.50`		`well, oz is see openzaurus or http://www.openzaurus.org/ or /join #openzaurus`
`00:55.20`	`beattie`	`ibot buildroot-oz`
`00:55.21`		`beattie: no idea`
`00:55.30`	`Onyx4`	`ibot: oz bk`
`00:55.31`		`from memory, oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk`
`00:55.37`	`Onyx4`	`lol`
`00:55.51`	`beattie`	`did that fubar`
`00:55.57`	`Onyx4`	`ibot: buildroot-oz is see "oz bk"`
`00:55.58`		`Onyx4: okay`
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`01:01.51`	`noda`	`Moo!`
`01:02.48`	`beattie`	`anybody have a clue why a fresh tree won't build`
`01:03.03`	`bfox-work`	`beattie: What's your build system?`
`01:03.56`	`beattie`	`debian`
`01:04.11`	`bfox-work`	`johaBBa: Can't he just bork it til he needs to wear glasses?`
`01:04.40`	`bfox-work`	`beattie: uname -a`
`01:04.52`	`johaBBa`	`heh.`
`01:04.57`	`beattie`	`bfox-work: Linux coyote 2.4.19 #22 Mon Nov 25 19:07:50 PST 2002 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux`
`01:05.46`	`Xentac`	`is it safe for me to ipkg upgrade yet?`
`01:05.48`	`Xentac`	`;o)`
`01:05.53`	`ibz[shower]`	`beattie: u need uptodate automake, autoconf, and cvs clients`
`01:06.12`	`johaBBa`	`Xentac: it seems to be better to download and install`
`01:06.22`	`ibz[shower]`	`beattie: and, check for conflicts in your ~/.cvsrc`
`01:06.30`	`Xentac`	`johaBBa: well... I was refering to the state of the unstable feed...`
`01:06.37`	`johaBBa`	`me too.`
`01:06.43`	`beattie`	`ibz[shower]: ii autoconf 2.56-1 automatic configure script builder`
`01:06.43`	`beattie`	`ii autoconf2.13 2.13-47 automatic configure script builder (obsolete`
`01:06.43`	`beattie`	`ii automake1.7 1.7.1-1 A tool for generating GNU Standards-complian`
`01:06.55`	`Xentac`	`well... I upgraded this morning... so had half the problems of other people...`
`01:06.55`	`ibz[shower]`	`beattie: they seem fine.`
`01:06.56`	`noda`	`Okay, I now have PROOF that the government fucked up my taxes.`
`01:07.03`	`Xentac`	`which packages have been fixed since then?`
`01:07.08`	`Xentac`	kergoth`out: ah... I see you're out
`01:07.47`	`*** topic/#openzaurus by TheMasterMind1 -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ \| opensource java for oz coming REAL soon - kaffe + awt-qte \| oz unstable feed updated : add it as your main feed, and run: ipkg update; ipkg install ipkg; mount -o remount,sync /; ipkg -verbose_wget upgrade \| OPERA AND HANCOM WORK ON OZ - wait for OZ3.1`
`01:07.58`	`noda`	`$283.23, there it is. That's what I paid, and that's what you cashed you bastards! :P`
`01:08.23`	`johaBBa`	`the file dates in unstable are about 12:45 EST`
`01:08.48`	`*** topic/#openzaurus by TheMasterMind1 -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ \| opensource java for oz coming REAL soon - kaffe + awt-qte \| oz unstable feed updated : add it as your main feed, and run: ipkg update; ipkg install ipkg; mount -o remount,sync /; ipkg -verbose_wget upgrade \| OPERA AND HANCOM WORK ON OZ - wait for OZ3.1 : thank sandman \| UNSTABLE is severly broken. don't upgrade :)`
`01:08.48`	`Xentac`	`TheMasterMind1: so... is it safe to upgrade now? is the sshd not forking issue resolved?`
`01:08.56`	`Xentac`	`hehehe`
`01:08.59`	`Xentac`	`nevermind then ;o)`
`01:09.25`	`noda`	`Man, aren't government hours great. "We're open from blah until blah, except on Wednesdays when it's blah to blah, and..."`
`01:09.51`	`Xentac`	`hehehe`
`01:11.18`	`Onyx4`	`TheMasterMind1: oz-base still has sync for /mnt/card, I guess I should take that out if using ext2?`
`01:11.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea`
`01:11.31`	`Onyx4`	`same for /mnt/cf`
`01:11.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ask kergoth about it`
`01:11.42`	`Onyx4`	`k I will`
`01:11.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`he has issues with it for some reason`
`01:11.50`	`Onyx4`	`Dessimat0r: hey`
`01:12.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and jffs2 sync in fstab isn't working for some reason.. it doesn't mount with sync when it boots up`
`01:12.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`afaik`
`01:12.14`	`Onyx4`	`strange, I have it on my Z working with sync`
`01:12.25`	`Onyx4`	`I boot all the time`
`01:14.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`must be me then`
`01:15.03`	`Onyx4`	`cause oz-base already has sync flag in it`
`01:15.21`	`Onyx4`	`I'll try flashing my fresh built, what issues you think are left with buildroot as is?`
`01:15.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`well, fork is borken`
`01:15.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`01:16.02`	`Onyx4`	`that's busybox?`
`01:16.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`fresh build and see if fork works`
`01:16.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`might be libc or something`
`01:16.14`	`NightStar`	`Mastermind: you still need those files?`
`01:16.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`fork in sshd etc doesn't work`
`01:16.19`	`Onyx4`	`mmm ok weird`
`01:16.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`NightStar: nope, got em thanks`
`01:16.35`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth tried unoptimized build of libc but no go`
`01:16.46`	`NightStar`	`Ok, sorry about that, I had something come up.`
`01:16.49`	`Onyx4`	`I saw that he changed busybox to be using head cvs now`
`01:16.52`	`Onyx4`	`so maybe that's the shell?`
`01:17.22`	`NightStar`	`I have a copy on my machine now if you ever need something else.`
`01:17.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4: i changed that, the shell issue kergoth figured out`
`01:17.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its because tty1 isn't securetty or something by default`
`01:17.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`easily fixable i think`
`01:19.10`	`ibz[shower]`	`echo "tty1" > /etc/securetty`
`01:19.16`	`ibz[shower]`	`or something`
`01:19.29`	`Onyx4`	`mmm we're suppose to have that already`
`01:20.27`	`ibz[shower]`	`g'nite`
`01:21.02`	`Onyx4`	`xmms-e looks interesting indeed`
`01:21.11`	`ciao_linux`	`i remember someone mentioned the fact that on resuming it takes at least 30 seconds for the application on the cf cards to be available. Would it be the same if the apps were in the sd card?`
`01:21.17`	`Onyx4`	`so with that there's no screen refresh issues?`
`01:21.27`	`Onyx4`	`does it calls mplayer executable directly?`
`01:21.48`	`Onyx4`	`ciao_linux: I hit that issue during my vacation with my CF card, it doesn't do it with SD afaik`
`01:22.07`	`Onyx4`	`ciao_linux: it looks like the cardmon sees the CF as being removed, the never reinserted, even if it is...`
`01:22.52`	`ciao_linux`	`how far is the fix of this problem?`
`01:23.14`	`Onyx4`	`well I need to dig down if the card was really unmounted or it's just cardmon that think it was`
`01:23.17`	`ciao_linux`	`Onyx4: you went on holiday with your cf card? sweet... where?`
`01:23.31`	`Onyx4`	`cause opie hangs since it needs to rescan for documents everytime there is a media change`
`01:23.42`	`Onyx4`	`ciao_linux: I got my 50$ viking rebate also now hehe`
`01:23.46`	`Onyx4`	`ciao_linux: san diego :)`
`01:24.01`	`ciao_linux`	`Onyx4: nice.. i am still waiting for that`
`01:24.11`	`ciao_linux`	`Onyx4: so does it depend on cardmon?`
`01:24.15`	`Onyx4`	`it should be maybe 2 more weeks for now depending on when you bought it after me`
`01:24.35`	`Onyx4`	`I wonder if there is a way to tell how long a filesystem has been mounted`
`01:24.41`	`Onyx4`	`like maybe a timestamp somewhere?`
`01:25.00`	`ciao_linux`	`if you press df... what is the size of your cf card?`
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`01:25.24`	`johaBBa`	`anyone know how to get around "could not open /usr/lib/info/nethack.list"?`
`01:25.31`	`Onyx4`	`ciao_linux: it's reduced of course, since it's formatted, can't recall off hand, maybe something around 486?`
`01:25.45`	`ciao_linux`	`ok... same here`
`01:25.53`	`johaBBa`	`anyone know how to get around "could not open /usr/lib/ipkg/info/nethack.list"?`
`01:25.55`	`Onyx4`	`yeah that's a big marketing trick`
`01:25.56`	`Onyx4`	`read this`
`01:25.59`	`Onyx4`	`ibot: cf`
`01:25.59`		`hmm... cf is used for network-like devices such as wireless or ethernet and can be used with compactflash media cards which are getting cheaper everyday. Excellent for audio/video files. or see http://www.dpreview.com/articles/mediacompare/default.asp or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/GetYourCompactFlashStorageCardToWork`
`01:26.11`	`DaWorm`	`oz 3.1...yuuuummmmm`
`01:26.18`	`ciao_linux`	`Onyx4: which one?`
`01:26.25`	`Onyx4`	`first one`
`01:26.30`	`Onyx4`	`misleading MB paragraph`
`01:27.16`	`Onyx4`	`it mentions also the capacity below that for different vendors`
`01:27.34`	`Onyx4`	`in MiB`
`01:27.46`	`ciao_linux`	`i understand now... hmm...`
`01:27.59`	`ciao_linux`	`anyway do you know if someone is working on the cardmon issue?`
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`01:28.39`	`Onyx4`	`ciao_linux: there was a bug filed on sf.net from someone and I was able to confirm it with my OZ, I will reflash now with latest and see if I can still reproduce it`
`01:28.55`	`Onyx4`	`maybe it's fixed in opie, if not, I'll have to find out what it is before release`
`01:29.17`	`Onyx4`	`I suspect cardmon`
`01:29.24`	`Onyx4`	`we'd have to file a bug with opie`
`01:29.36`	`Onyx4`	`does syslog say anything?`
`01:29.50`	`ciao_linux`	`i have heard people that use opie on ipaq didn`
`01:29.55`	`ciao_linux`	`t have this problem`
`01:30.16`	`ciao_linux`	`Onyx4: btw, i thought that it was a common problem`
`01:30.28`	`hardwire`	`oyacomo`
`01:30.29`	`hardwire`	`?`
`01:30.32`	`Onyx4`	`exactly, but cardmon had OZ/Zaurus specific bugs before too, where it was showing SD as ejected when CF was inserted, remember`
`01:30.36`	`Onyx4`	`they were not seeing that on ipaq`
`01:31.03`	`ciao_linux`	`ok`
`01:31.20`	`Onyx4`	`I found also that sometimes after the resume, my keypad would not work anymore`
`01:31.24`	`Onyx4`	`I had to restart opie`
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`01:31.41`	`noda`	`Moo!`
`01:31.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4: well, one resume the cards are ejected and reinserted for some reason`
`01:31.56`	`ciao_linux`	`this morning my keypad had the fn always pressed but it only happened once`
`01:31.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its a cardmon bug`
`01:32.04`	`Onyx4`	`but other than that I haven't found too much issues, oh yeah one more... when you plug AC from battery, there's a "warning battery level critical" message that pops up`
`01:32.21`	`ciao_linux`	`TheMasterMind1: is there anyone working on that?`
`01:32.22`	`noda`	`ciao_linux: When you press the Fn button it takes effect until another button is pressed.`
`01:32.51`	`ciao_linux`	`noda: yes, in general... this morning it had effect whatever i was pressing (without touching fn of course)`
`01:33.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4: saw that. can you submit an opie bug on that. and clock settings has repeated tabs on top also`
`01:33.21`	`ciao_linux`	`for one monent ithought that there was a contact but after a reboot it was back to normal`
`01:33.37`	`Onyx4`	`TheMasterMind1: ok I will after I confirm from latest opie its still there`
`01:33.47`	`noda`	`ciao_linux: I guess it'd be silly to ask if your numlock was on...`
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`01:34.19`	`ciao_linux`	`no... it wasn't`
`01:34.47`	`ciao_linux`	`Onyx4: the good thing about that bug is that it is easy to reproduce! :-)`
`01:34.53`	`Onyx4`	`ciao_linux: yeah`
`01:35.51`	`billytwowilly`	`hehehehehe. I just unintentionally freaked the crap out of my mother;)`
`01:36.32`	`billytwowilly`	`I was sitting in her desk chair and had it locked back in full tilt mode, then I got up and left it. She sat down without looking and almost went ass over tea kettle off the back of the chair;)`
`01:37.03`	`noda`	`lol`
`01:38.09`	`billytwowilly`	`I'm up in my room and all I hear is a high pitched "EEEEEEP!" then " you fucking asshole!"`
`01:38.18`	`billytwowilly`	`hehehehe.`
`01:38.28`	`johaBBa`	`lol`
`01:39.59`	`billytwowilly`	`so what's this about OZ 3.1?`
`01:40.12`	`Onyx4`	`TheMasterMind1: I think I might have to build libSDL-mixer and libSDL-net`
`01:40.17`	`Onyx4`	`some programs uses that`
`01:40.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yes, i was going to say that too`
`01:40.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`should we change name of our qte-sdl too?`
`01:40.42`	`Onyx4`	`yes, we'll have to think about that`
`01:40.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i think its a good idea.`
`01:41.00`	`Onyx4`	`I'd like to see it named just libSDL_1.2.x-cvsdate-rev`
`01:41.02`	`Onyx4`	`or something like that`
`01:41.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i was trying to run prboom and it was trying to load mixer and net .so`
`01:41.14`	`Onyx4`	`yep`
`01:41.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so we need those :)`
`01:41.30`	`Onyx4`	`the ipk I was using before for prboom were named`
`01:41.38`	`Onyx4`	`libSDL-mixer_1.2.5cvs-1_arm.ipk libSDL_1.2.5cvs-2_arm.ipk`
`01:41.38`	`Onyx4`	`libSDL-net_1.2.5cvs-1_arm.ipk`
`01:41.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yep`
`01:42.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`we can start with rev2 i guess`
`01:42.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`01:42.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sounds good to me :)`
`01:42.54`	`Onyx4`	`we could name it libSDL_1.2.5qte-cvsdate-rev ?`
`01:43.06`	`Onyx4`	`so that we indentify it's compiled for qte or we dont`
`01:43.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmmm`
`01:43.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`make rev=qte-2`
`01:43.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`:)`
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`01:44.53`	`Onyx4`	`yeah something like that`
`01:45.07`	`Onyx4`	`I need to check if it's still 1.2.5, maybe cvs is 1.2.6?`
`01:45.56`	`Onyx4`	`eh sorry looks like 1.2.5 is cvs`
`01:49.06`	`Onyx4`	`mmm I think I'm gonna change the libpcap source to be from debian instead of tcpdump.org their site is always down`
`01:57.04`	`Onyx4`	`I should probably name it libpcap0 instead of libpcap to follow debian`
`02:00.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`do same with tcpdujp`
`02:00.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`dump`
`02:01.30`	`Onyx4`	`yep`
`02:01.31`	`Onyx4`	`ok`
`02:05.44`	`Onyx4`	`kismet still uses it's own static libpcap right?`
`02:05.56`	`Onyx4`	`so it's really just for tcpdump or ethereal then`
`02:06.09`	`Onyx4`	`there's a ethereal version for the Z, I should check it out and build it in OZ`
`02:08.09`	`johaBBa`	`i haven't see etheral for the Z`
`02:08.30`	`Onyx4`	`http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=707`
`02:08.36`	`Onyx4`	`zethereal`
`02:12.24`	`Onyx4`	`if the name of the package is now libpcap0 I don't need to put "provides=libpcap0" right?`
`02:12.34`	`Onyx4`	`I guess I should maybe put provides=libpcap for backward compat`
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`02:15.04`	`noda`	`Moo!`
`02:15.44`	`noda`	`Ack! Lost my Z :)`
`02:16.11`	`DaWorm`	`ack!`
`02:16.32`	`noda`	`rofl, my brother stole it, he's playing SFCave with it now :P`
`02:17.31`	`ciao_linux`	`ibot: oz bk`
`02:17.32`		`[oz bk] bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk`
`02:19.17`	`Onyx4`	`ok changes are done for tcpdump/libpcap, I'm pusing in a sec`
`02:19.44`	`noda`	`Onyx4: What changes? :)`
`02:20.04`	`Onyx4`	`use debian pool instead of tcpdump.org`
`02:20.07`	`noda`	`Oh`
`02:20.11`	`Onyx4`	`and a naming convension change`
`02:20.21`	`Onyx4`	`package is now named libpcap0 instead of libpcap`
`02:20.54`	`johaBBa`	`phew...i thought i bricked it...`
`02:20.58`	`Onyx4`	`they were not compiling before cause tcpdump.org been hosed for a while I think`
`02:22.04`	`ciao_linux`	`TheMasterMind1: are you working on lirc?`
`02:22.05`	`Onyx4`	`wow more updates again`
`02:22.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ciao_linux: no, not really`
`02:22.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i want to but i'm not`
`02:23.05`	`Onyx4`	`mmm kergoth changed tcpdump to say doesn't depend on libpcap`
`02:23.13`	`Onyx4`	`I thought we built for shared not static`
`02:23.34`	`ciao_linux`	`TheMasterMind1: let me know if you start working on it`
`02:23.44`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok`
`02:23.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4: shrug`
`02:24.50`	`ciao_linux`	`ok ... good night ppl`
`02:25.15`	`Dessimat0r`	`gn peeps`
`02:26.15`	`Dessimat0r`	`hmm`
`02:26.21`	`Dessimat0r`	`there is a debate in my head`
`02:26.38`	`Dessimat0r`	`do i put this AOL CD in to see the Two Towers trailer?`
`02:26.45`	`Dessimat0r`	`it could infect my pc with 3vil`
`02:26.53`	`Dessimat0r`	`;)`
`02:28.09`	`noda`	`WOO! WOO! WOO! 1631 in SFCave`
`02:28.16`	`noda`	`Dessimat0r: Why not just get the trailer off apple.com/trailers?`
`02:29.37`	`Dessimat0r`	`dunno`
`02:29.39`	`Dessimat0r`	`;)`
`02:29.41`	`Dessimat0r`	`anyways`
`02:29.41`	`Dessimat0r`	`gn`
`02:36.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`noda: damn, i got 613 today and that's my highest`
`02:36.40`	`noda`	`Heh`
`02:36.47`	`noda`	`I'm pretty damned proud of 1631 :)`
`02:36.53`	`noda`	`I got around 1100 in English today.`
`02:37.09`	`johaBBa`	`night all...i'm going to watch the game.`
`02:37.46`	`noda`	`Damn, look at the time... I wanted to take a practise SAT today. Well, I still will. But first I gotta make a changelog admin module :)`
`02:40.32`	`Onyx4`	`TheMasterMind1: I guess we should wipe out libvorbis now that we use tremor`
`02:42.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yes, kergoth asked me to do that`
`02:42.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`please do that`
`02:42.53`	`Onyx4`	`so I just bk rm and bk rmdir?`
`02:42.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and tremor can Provides it or something`
`02:42.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4: yea`
`02:43.05`	`Onyx4`	`ok will change the "Provides"`
`02:43.16`	`Onyx4`	`what did you name your ipk just tremor?`
`02:43.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yes`
`02:43.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`change if you wish`
`02:43.40`	`Onyx4`	`we should name it something like libvorbisidec ?`
`02:43.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sure`
`02:43.48`	`Onyx4`	`for integer decoding`
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`02:48.43`	`jurrie`	`anyone have experience with Shart wrt sending a Z back to be fixed?`
`02:48.51`	`jurrie`	`or "Sharp", even`
`02:54.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4: you tried a fresh rebuild yet?`
`02:54.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4: hmm, actually, sshd was borke when i fresh rebuilt too`
`02:54.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so something is breaking forking`
`02:55.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and other stuff`
`02:55.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its causing lots of segfaults and bus errors`
`02:57.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`anyone alive?`
`02:57.35`	`TheMasterMind1`	`anyone here upgraded to unstable lately`
`02:57.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`?`
`02:57.48`	`DaWorm`	`i had second thoughts yesterday`
`02:57.52`	`ljp`	`nope, I'm still on a beta 3.0`
`02:57.59`	`DaWorm`	`and didnt do it in the last minute`
`02:58.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i need someone to revert busybox and see if that's causing these problems`
`02:59.14`	`*** join/#openzaurus DaJoker (~joker@ip68-10-51-20.rn.hr.cox.net)`
`02:59.23`	`ljp`	`install bash`
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`03:00.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`DaJoker: hey`
`03:01.05`	`DaJoker`	`howdy`
`03:03.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`DaJoker: did you upgrade from unstable by any chance?`
`03:04.17`	`*** topic/#openzaurus by TheMasterMind1 -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ \| opensource java for oz coming REAL soon - kaffe + awt-qte \| oz unstable feed updated : add it as your main feed, and run: ipkg update; ipkg install ipkg; mount -o remount,sync /; ipkg -verbose_wget upgrade \| OPERA AND HANCOM WORK ON OZ - wait for OZ3.1 : thank sandman \| UNSTABLE is severly broken. don't upgrade :) -- someone who did upgrade 11/30 or later - try reverting busybox and t`
`03:04.30`	`DaJoker`	`I haven't upgraded in about 2 weeks`
`03:05.03`	kergoth`out	`TheMasterMind1: any luck nailing it down?`
`03:05.05`	`*** topic/#openzaurus by TheMasterMind1 -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ \| opensource java for oz coming REAL soon - kaffe + awt-qte \| oz unstable feed updated : add it as your main feed, and run: ipkg update; ipkg install ipkg; mount -o remount,sync /; ipkg -verbose_wget upgrade \| OPERA AND HANCOM WORK ON OZ - wait for OZ3.1 : thank sandman \| UNSTABLE is severly broken -- someone who did upgrade 11/30 or later - try reverting busybox and tell me if it fixes`
`03:05.08`	kergoth`out	`TheMasterMind1: its a fucking hard to isolate problem`
`03:05.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`out: nope. its making no sense
`03:05.18`	kergoth`out	`agreed`
`03:05.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and my Z just died on me`
`03:05.23`	kergoth`out	`reverted busybox yet?`
`03:05.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`opie didn't start`
`03:05.26`	kergoth`out	`thats next on my todo`
`03:05.36`	kergoth`out	`since removing the libc optimizations didtn do it`
`03:05.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`bus errors and segfaults all over`
`03:05.39`	kergoth`out	`yep`
`03:05.43`	kergoth`out	`fork failures, bus errors, nuts`
`03:05.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hancom and opera both work for sandman`
`03:05.56`	kergoth`out	`yo chouimat\|tv`
`03:05.58`	kergoth`out	`TheMasterMind1: good good`
`03:05.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`something on oz is giving hancom some problems`
`03:06.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it might be same problem that's casuing other stuff to break - fork etc`
`03:06.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`out: see if busybox is causing it. i gtg, leave me a message or something
`03:06.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`later`
`03:06.44`	kergoth`out	`its fucked. thing is, busybox couldnt break busybox..`
`03:06.47`	kergoth`out	`alright, later`
`03:06.48`	kergoth`out	`er, couldnt break ssh`
`03:06.49`	kergoth`out	`heh`
`03:10.52`	`chouimat`	`ljp: :}`
`03:12.19`	`ljp`	`'we are the priests..'`
`03:12.52`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: you realize that tcpdump requires a bleeding edge libpcap right?`
`03:13.27`	`kergoth`	`man, i need a drink`
`03:13.41`	`kergoth`	`er no, i'm mixing up kismet and tcpdump. somebody smack me`
`03:13.43`	`kergoth`	`ibot: lart me`
`03:13.44`	`ljp`	`grab me one also`
`03:14.22`	`ljp`	`mmmm`
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`03:16.09`	`ljp`	`in lieu of kergoth ever returning with my drink, I think I'll have a double water`
`03:17.44`	`chouimat`	`ljp: I hate when my cat decide to lay down right behind me chair ....`
`03:22.46`	`FelixKat`	`why is it that I can not install programs using AQPkg`
`03:24.07`	`ljp`	`mine does that also, I get up turn around, and she's there.. asleep`
`03:24.42`	`kergoth`	`woah, i fucked up the mix of this long island`
`03:25.00`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: hehe`
`03:25.27`	`kergoth`	`hrmph`
`03:25.28`	`kergoth`	`i cant tell`
`03:26.29`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: maybe you drink too much of that so ...`
`03:27.03`	`kergoth`	`could be. getting used to it`
`03:27.06`	`kergoth`	`need to mix it up a bit`
`03:27.58`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`03:28.19`	`chouimat`	`nope`
`03:28.29`	`chouimat`	`ls`
`03:28.37`	`ljp`	`hehe`
`03:28.51`	`ljp`	`pretty flashing lights`
`03:31.11`	`dep`	`i upgraded to today's unstable busybox...does that mean it was fixed or i should revert to a new one?`
`03:31.45`	`kergoth`	`dep: danger! danger!`
`03:31.57`	`dep`	`i also notice that sshd used to start automatically, but not any more`
`03:31.58`	`kergoth`	`dep: something is very b0rked in unstable`
`03:32.03`	`ljp`	`abort! abort!`
`03:32.04`	`kergoth`	`dep: and we have no idea what it is`
`03:32.15`	`ljp`	`retreat!`
`03:32.20`	`dep`	`grin...now they tell me`
`03:33.08`	`dep`	`where should sshd be started from?`
`03:33.13`	`kergoth`	`dep: ?`
`03:33.21`	`dep`	`yes?`
`03:33.26`	`kergoth`	`dep: its an init.d script, started by 'rc' in the sys V style init process`
`03:33.29`	`kergoth`	`there is no 'from'`
`03:33.43`	`kergoth`	`theres a symlink in /etc/rc2.d/ and others which causes it to be started`
`03:33.53`	`dep`	`the script was already in rc?.d..saw it there`
`03:33.57`	`kergoth`	`it is failing to be started because something is b0rked thats preventing certain things from forking`
`03:34.00`	`kergoth`	`yes, the script is there`
`03:34.04`	`kergoth`	`thats what i just fucking said`
`03:34.25`	`dep`	`sigh....chill.`
`03:34.27`	`chouimat`	`echo echo echo echo echo`
`03:34.48`	`dep`	`there is a fork error message right on startup...didn't catch what it said`
`03:34.49`	`ljp`	`initializers.. geeesch`
`03:34.52`	`kergoth`	`yes, i know`
`03:34.56`	`kergoth`	`as i said`
`03:35.00`	`kergoth`	`i've got it reproduced on my Z here`
`03:35.01`	`ljp`	`echo`
`03:35.05`	`kergoth`	`attempting to isolate the problem`
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`03:35.53`	`chouimat`	`belch`
`03:36.10`	`ljp`	`it helps to actually use the damn variable`
`03:39.21`	`dep`	`does reverting busybox fix the problem? (and do you want me to leave mine hosed for testing?)`
`03:39.33`	`kergoth`	`dep: feel free to revert it to test. noone has yet.`
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`03:58.52`	`billytwowilly`	`heh, sounds like there's trouble in the hen house;)`
`03:59.22`	`kergoth`	`trouble, yes, you could call it that`
`04:00.21`	`billytwowilly`	`severly broken;) doesn't sound good;)`
`04:00.30`	`billytwowilly`	`although hancom office and opera working sounds really good;)`
`04:03.27`	`billytwowilly`	`I've got faith in your ability to fix things though kergoth;)`
`04:07.07`	`kergoth`	`hah, more faith than i have it sounds like`
`04:07.53`	`billytwowilly`	`well, you have to keep in mind that I don't own a zaurus yet;)`
`04:07.59`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`04:08.08`	`billytwowilly`	`when I buy one, if you haven't got it figured out, I'll just continue to use the sharp rom;)`
`04:09.13`	`billytwowilly`	`man, it's dead on here tonight.`
`04:09.25`	`kergoth`	`dead just about everywhere tonight. odd.`
`04:12.53`	`DaWorm`	`:)`
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`04:18.33`	`beattie`	`TheMasterMind1: is buildroot broken, or do I have a screwed up system`
`04:18.39`	`kergoth`	`beattie: both?`
`04:19.41`	`dep`	`kergoth: terminated opie...at root...says No space is left on device when i try to remove a file...df shows free space. sheesh`
`04:19.51`	`kergoth`	`dep: odd.`
`04:19.58`	`beattie`	kergoth: there you are I didn't see you, I've been trying for two days, but I keep getting "make[3]: *** No rule to make target `malloc.c', needed by `malloc.o'. Stop.
`04:19.58`	`beattie`	`"`
`04:20.12`	`kergoth`	`beattie: and you've mrpropered the ipkg build recentLY?`
`04:20.16`	`kergoth`	`beattie: i just built ipkg last night`
`04:20.34`	`dep`	`very strange... / is 85% /mnt/ram is 5%`
`04:20.40`	`beattie`	`I did got a completely new tree this morning`
`04:21.26`	`beattie`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:21.27`	`beattie`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:21.27`	`beattie`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:21.27`	`beattie`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:21.27`	`beattie`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:21.27`	`beattie`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:21.30`	`dep`	`and no fsck.jffs2 to check mtdblock4`
`04:21.44`	`dep`	`looks like time for a flash. sigh.`
`04:21.57`	`kergoth`	`beattie: thats not hte real error. something went wrong farther up`
`04:22.03`	`kergoth`	`beattie: get me the entire output of those commands`
`04:22.14`	`dep`	`full reset for fun maybe`
`04:22.16`	`kergoth`	`beattie: in fact, run script, run those commands, then hit ctrl+D and email me typescript`
`04:23.03`	`beattie`	`kergoth all te way from scratch or will a make clean do?`
`04:23.14`	`kergoth`	`make clean should be fine`
`04:23.28`	`beattie`	`ok`
`04:23.55`	`kergoth`	`beattie: you do have autoconf 2.5x installed right?`
`04:24.26`	`beattie`	`ii autoconf 2.56-1 automatic configure script builder`
`04:24.26`	`beattie`	`ii autoconf2.13 2.13-47 automatic configure script builder (obsolete`
`04:24.41`	`kergoth`	`and the 'autoconf' binary is 2.56?`
`04:24.50`	`kergoth`	`what distro?`
`04:25.38`	`beattie`	`debian unstable`
`04:25.53`	`kergoth`	`same`
`04:26.53`	`beattie`	`kergoth: I'm going to do "(make clean;make) 2>&1 \|tee make.out" sound ok?`
`04:26.59`	`chouimat\|zzz`	`night`
`04:27.15`	`kergoth`	`night chouimat\|zzz`
`04:35.37`	`beattie`	`kergoth: the autoconf is 2.13 is there a way to tell the build what autoconf to use?`
`04:36.13`	`kergoth`	`yeah, edit Vars.local`
`04:36.22`	`kergoth`	`take a look at def-vars for example Vars.local files`
`04:36.27`	`kergoth`	`copy one of them to Vars.local`
`04:36.28`	`kergoth`	`edit as appropriate`
`04:39.28`	`Onyx4`	`kergoth: hey`
`04:39.49`	`Onyx4`	`kergoth: yes I want that libpcap and tcpdump to be able to look at 802.11 raw packets, earlier versions don't support it`
`04:40.26`	`Onyx4`	`install -d /home/clambert/oz/buildroot/build/mplayer/libavcodec`
`04:40.27`	`Onyx4`	`cp -a /home/clambert/oz/buildroot/sources/ffmpeg/libavcodec/* /home/clambert/oz/buildroot/build/mplayer/libavcodec/`
`04:40.27`	`Onyx4`	cp: cannot stat `/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/sources/ffmpeg/libavcodec/*': No such file or directory
`04:40.30`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: yeah. i wasnt thinking straight. confused kismet with tcpdump, kismet uses its own bleedy edge libpcap`
`04:40.38`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: didnt build libavcodec?`
`04:40.39`	`Onyx4`	`kergoth: correct`
`04:40.52`	`Onyx4`	`kergoth: oh let me check, maybe we didn't set depends right`
`04:41.00`	`kergoth`	`could be`
`04:41.01`	`kergoth`	`dunno`
`04:41.43`	`Onyx4`	`I think the location is`
`04:41.46`	`Onyx4`	`~/oz/buildroot/build/libavcodec`
`04:41.47`		`Onyx4: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?`
`04:42.03`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`04:42.05`	`kergoth`	`~lart Onyx4`
`04:44.22`	`Onyx4`	`kergoth: what should we name libvorbisidec.so ipk?`
`04:44.34`	`kergoth`	`good question`
`04:44.35`	`beattie`	`kergoth: same error, should I do a make mrproper?`
`04:44.38`	`Onyx4`	`I was thinking of either just libvorbis0 since it's a drop-in replacement or libvorbisidec`
`04:44.39`	`kergoth`	`is tremor in debian yet?`
`04:44.43`	`Onyx4`	`no`
`04:44.46`	`kergoth`	`beattie: regardless, did you log it?`
`04:44.47`	`Onyx4`	`didn't see it yet`
`04:44.59`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: it should Provide libvorbis0`
`04:45.06`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: its package name should be something else`
`04:45.08`	`Onyx4`	`yes that's for sure`
`04:45.20`	`Onyx4`	`ok so libvorbisidec then provides libvorbis0 ?`
`04:45.25`	`Onyx4`	`I'll wipe out our old libvorbis`
`04:45.31`	`beattie`	`no but it's in my scrollback buffer`
`04:46.05`	`kergoth`	`beattie: i want the -entire- output,w hich is why i said to run it all within 'script'`
`04:46.22`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: good good`
`04:46.53`	`Onyx4`	`so I think the mplayer build should copy the libavcodec from build not sources`
`04:47.08`	`Onyx4`	`for some reason I have it in build, but not sources where it's expecting it`
`04:47.10`	`beattie`	`either will include it all, but I'll use script`
`04:47.12`	`Onyx4`	`I'm starting from a fresh mrproper`
`04:47.14`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: odd`
`04:47.16`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: k`
`04:49.08`	`ljp`	`frag`
`04:49.16`	`Onyx4`	`ok now it worked :)`
`04:53.34`	`beattie`	`kergoth: I send a typescript, ignore it the Vars.local was wrong, I did an mrproper, so I probably won't have any results tonight`
`04:53.45`	`kergoth`	`beattie: k, gotcha`
`04:54.23`	`beattie`	`I thought auto* were suppose to make life easier :)`
`04:55.13`	`kergoth`	`yeah, lots of peopel have that impression`
`04:55.22`	`kergoth`	`takes a while before reality sets in`
`04:55.22`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`05:02.54`	`ljp`	`auto* sux dux`
`05:02.56`	`Onyx4`	`kergoth: to wipe out libvorbis, can I just bk rmdir or I need to remove all files with bk rm before?`
`05:03.07`	`kergoth`	`bk rmdir will do it`
`05:03.46`	`Onyx4`	`ok... and since the libvorbisidec is a so.1 should I name it libvorbisidec1 or libvorbisidec by itself?`
`05:05.27`	`Onyx4`	`I guess with the "1" to follow debian's naming when it will come out`
`05:07.35`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
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`05:13.03`	`ljp`	`yup the sharp audio drive needs more work for sure`
`05:13.15`	`kergoth`	`you're just figuring this out now?`
`05:13.16`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`05:13.48`	`ljp`	`no, now I really know it`
`05:13.56`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`05:14.07`	`ljp`	`virtually impossible to write a decent audio recorder for`
`05:14.27`	`Onyx4`	`mmm like a direct to mp3 encoder?`
`05:14.34`	`Onyx4`	`or ogg`
`05:14.44`	`ljp`	`ha yer dreamin`
`05:15.18`	`Onyx4`	`ljp: I talked to harlekin about it, but I think it'd be better to put the libvorbis and libogg seperate from opiemediaplayer-codecs since in OZ we are going to have the ipk for that`
`05:15.39`	`Onyx4`	`otherwise we'll have to rebuild our own packages just for OZ I guess`
`05:15.56`	`ljp`	`the plan was to seperate the op2 codecs anyway`
`05:16.08`	`ljp`	`eventually`
`05:16.32`	`Onyx4`	`all other since they are all under xine/plugins they can be all in one package , i dont care :)`
`05:20.56`	`ljp`	`pretty bad when GETCAPS isnt even available`
`05:21.01`	`Onyx4`	`kergoth: I'm not sure about saying that libvorbisidec provides libvorbis0 since it's not really the same library, just an equivalent`
`05:21.35`	`ljp`	`Tim. are you responsile for the lineo zaurus audio drivers?! :)`
`05:21.39`	`Onyx4`	`since the name of the library is different too`
`05:21.40`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: well, isnt the actual shared lib libvorbis.so?`
`05:21.42`	`kergoth`	`ahh`
`05:21.46`	`kergoth`	`in that case, it shouldnt`
`05:21.52`	`Onyx4`	`no it's libvorbisidec.so`
`05:22.02`	`Onyx4`	`ok that's what I tought`
`05:28.46`	`Onyx4`	`ok we were thinking also of renaming qte-sdl now to libSDL1.2qte or something like that`
`05:28.57`	`Onyx4`	`the debian one is named libSDL1.2debian`
`05:29.20`	`kergoth`	`that works. the package name really doesnt matter since nothing depends on it directly :)`
`05:29.38`	`Onyx4`	`true they depend on libSDL12 or something like that`
`05:29.47`	`kergoth`	`right`
`05:29.51`	`kergoth`	`they depend on things it Provides`
`05:34.31`	`Onyx4`	`I think I'll still leave the packages/qte-sdl name like that tough`
`05:34.35`	`Onyx4`	`since we have pg-sdl`
`05:34.43`	`kergoth`	`thats fine`
`05:40.55`	`bfox`	`Sorry. Been using E-mail since 1980, but started using IRC yesterday.`
`05:42.04`	`billytwowilly`	`hehehehe.`
`05:42.09`	`billytwowilly`	`that's amusing;)`
`05:42.46`	`billytwowilly`	`bfox: how'd you pull that off?`
`05:43.22`	`Onyx4`	`ugh the packaging system won't accept a "." in the name`
`05:43.23`	`billytwowilly`	`using email since 1980, but never using IRC till yesterday?`
`05:43.26`	`Onyx4`	`like libSDL1.2qte`
`05:43.37`	`Onyx4`	`guess I'll go for libSDL12qte`
`05:43.48`	`Onyx4`	`or maybe just libSDL12 ?`
`05:43.53`	`billytwowilly`	`Onyx4: will it accept any punctuation?`
`05:44.06`	`Onyx4`	`*** Error: Package name contains illegal characters, (other than [a-z0-9.+-])`
`05:44.14`	`kergoth`	`uhm`
`05:44.18`	`kergoth`	`. is in that character set`
`05:44.26`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`05:44.30`	`Onyx4`	`oh maybe uppercase?`
`05:44.44`	`kergoth`	`yep, its uppercase`
`05:44.48`	`kergoth`	`have to stay lowercase`
`05:44.52`	`kergoth`	`do libsdl1.2qte`
`05:44.54`	`kergoth`	`or something`
`05:44.55`	`Onyx4`	`ok good`
`05:45.03`	`Onyx4`	`debian's actually lowercase didn't notice`
`05:45.19`	`kergoth`	`ah :)`
`05:48.49`	`Onyx4`	`ok that worked good good`
`05:50.11`	`kergoth`	`good`
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`05:56.00`	`kergoth`	`"i wanna see your pussy, show it to me"`
`05:56.03`	`kergoth`	`i love lords of acid`
`05:58.30`	`Onyx4`	`that's a movie?`
`05:58.39`	`kergoth`	`naw, artist`
`05:58.41`	`kergoth`	`techno band`
`05:58.50`	`Onyx4`	`ok`
`05:58.53`	`kergoth`	`'i wanna see your pussy, show it to me' is the chorusline to one of their songs`
`05:58.56`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`05:58.58`	`kergoth`	`good stuff, that`
`06:00.49`	`kergoth`	`Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it.`
`06:00.53`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:03.02`	`Onyx4`	`kergoth: so mastermind was talking to me about some fork problem, did you find what it was?`
`06:05.49`	`kergoth`	`"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." --Dorothy Nevill`
`06:05.59`	`kergoth`	`lol`
`06:06.01`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: nope`
`06:06.21`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: its a strange one. doesnt appear to have been caused by adding the optimizations to libc (remember our mega optimizations prevented oz booting for a while)`
`06:06.26`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: not certain where the problem lies`
`06:06.45`	`Onyx4`	`maybe new busybox?`
`06:07.18`	`kergoth`	`someone tried reverting it, to no avail`
`06:08.16`	`Onyx4`	`mmm`
`06:09.28`	`kergoth`	`I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.`
`06:09.29`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:10.37`	`Onyx4`	`kergoth: I'd like to include "ldd" in OZ, on debian it's in the libc6 package, but on OZ I wonder if I should put it there or make it seperate`
`06:10.47`	`Onyx4`	`it's part of the glibc build process`
`06:10.51`	`kergoth`	`well`
`06:10.53`	`kergoth`	`first thing`
`06:10.57`	`kergoth`	`i want ldconfig in a seperate package`
`06:11.00`	`kergoth`	`its in libc6 now, and its huge`
`06:11.18`	`kergoth`	`ldd would likely be there too. perhaps a libc6-utils package?`
`06:11.53`	`Onyx4`	`is ldconfig required?`
`06:11.58`	`kergoth`	`no`
`06:12.05`	`kergoth`	`its used to build ld.so.cache`
`06:12.12`	`kergoth`	`if you rely on LD_LIBRARY_PATH, its unnecessary`
`06:12.13`	`Onyx4`	`but it speeds things up right?`
`06:12.16`	`kergoth`	`but myself, i like to have it`
`06:12.17`	`kergoth`	`no`
`06:12.23`	`kergoth`	`its a means of caching where your libraries are at`
`06:12.28`	`kergoth`	`based on ld.so.conf`
`06:12.39`	`Onyx4`	`in OZ we set LD_LIBRARY_PATH correctly?`
`06:12.56`	`Onyx4`	`yeah we could do libc6-extras maybe`
`06:13.07`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`06:13.36`	`kergoth`	`remember we need to do this both for 2.2.4 and 2.3.1`
`06:15.14`	`Onyx4`	`true`
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`06:20.06`	`Onyx4`	`ok I pushed my changes`
`06:20.11`	`kergoth`	`cool cool`
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`07:10.58`	`pheph`	`when is OZ 3.1 scheduled?`
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`07:15.08`	`DaWorm`	`well unstable has a couple of problems...`
`07:15.21`	`pheph`	`meaning it will be some time?`
`07:16.13`	`DaWorm`	`well it was just discovered today...`
`07:16.22`	`DaWorm`	`so not really that long..`
`07:19.01`	`pheph`	`are we thinking weeks, months? I'm having some problems with opie-mediaplayer stuff using 3.0... I know OZ isn't responsible for it, but i was planning on reflashing to see if it fixed it`
`07:19.20`	`Onyx4`	`pheph: you tried opie-mediaplayer2?`
`07:19.34`	`Onyx4`	`pheph: we are coming up with xmms and mplayer for OZ that will install on OZ 3.0`
`07:20.13`	`pheph`	`oh neat! xmms would be slick... no, i haven't tried 2... what feed can I grab it from?`
`07:20.25`	`pheph`	`or do I have to gasp look for it?`
`07:20.36`	`Onyx4`	`there is no feed yet, I am planning to put it on the OZ feed soon`
`07:20.47`	`pheph`	`you run OZ feeD?`
`07:21.04`	`Onyx4`	`I'm one of the developpers yes`
`07:21.48`	`Onyx4`	`op2 still crashes a lot but it quite usable`
`07:21.50`	`pheph`	`cool. I installed the mediaplayer from the OZ feed`
`07:22.02`	`Onyx4`	`when xine will become stable again, it will be great`
`07:22.14`	`pheph`	`does it feature ability to skip ahead in mp3?`
`07:22.34`	`Onyx4`	`i'm pretty sure yes`
`07:22.45`	`pheph`	`i remember that was a problem when I first started using zaurus`
`07:22.49`	`Onyx4`	`altough xmms-e will be better for mp3 playback then op2 I think`
`07:23.00`	`pheph`	`and video?`
`07:23.49`	`Onyx4`	`yes using mplayer backend`
`07:24.02`	`Onyx4`	`we're almost done getting it working`
`07:24.17`	`Onyx4`	`it will be available from the unstable feed to upgrade just those packages`
`07:24.26`	`Onyx4`	`so you don't have to put the whole OZ 3.1 until it's released`
`07:24.39`	`pheph`	`one more quick question... How difficult would it be to port a CL app to zaurus? I haven't seen Csound from StrongArm`
`07:24.51`	`pheph`	`ok, I'll check the unstable...`
`07:24.53`	`Onyx4`	`what's Csound for?`
`07:25.10`	`pheph`	`Csound is a music synthesis program that is command line based... its really neat`
`07:25.26`	`Onyx4`	`and you would run that on a Z?`
`07:25.34`	`Onyx4`	`I'm pretty sure it would be easy to port`
`07:25.45`	`Onyx4`	`if it's command line, just cross-compiling it using our buildroot`
`07:25.56`	`pheph`	`I don't see why not, you pass it two files and it either creates a wav file or outputs to SC`
`07:26.06`	`Onyx4`	`from midi files?`
`07:26.18`	`pheph`	`like MIDI files... but WAY more configurable`
`07:26.19`	`pheph`	`WAY`
`07:26.35`	`Onyx4`	`is there a debian package for that?`
`07:26.39`	`pheph`	`you pass it a file like a MIDI file ( called the score)`
`07:26.49`	`pheph`	`and also a file that defines the sound in a very mathematical manner`
`07:27.10`	`Onyx4`	`so what do you do with this program on your Z?`
`07:27.13`	`pheph`	`take sine wave, frequency modulate with tangent wave of twice the X value... etc`
`07:28.16`	`pheph`	`well, nothing yet, it doesn't exist... But on my laptop I've created a few songs and on my laptop I use it as a synth for my keyboard`
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`07:28.36`	`brontos`	`ok for some reason oz is blacking out and going to terminal... How do I get back to GUI?`
`07:28.47`	`Onyx4`	`and on the Z you would like to do what with it?`
`07:29.15`	`Onyx4`	`brontos: login as root , /etc/init.d/opie start`
`07:30.26`	`brontos`	`Onyx4: you use vnc with oz?`
`07:30.26`	`brontos`	`thanks btw`
`07:31.03`	`pheph`	`well, research sounds, create songs, etc`
`07:31.04`	`pheph`	`you can learn a lot from Csound`
`07:31.04`	`pheph`	`if you're interested in anything related to audio`
`07:31.45`	`pheph`	`www.csounds.com if you're interested`
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`07:32.03`	`Onyx4`	`ok I'll see what I can do`
`07:32.10`	`DaWorm`	`interesting`
`07:32.11`	`Onyx4`	`does it require a lot of cpu power?`
`07:32.12`	`jmhodges`	`brontos: yep iirc`
`07:32.29`	`brontos`	`iirc?`
`07:32.31`	`brontos`	`hmm ok`
`07:32.40`	`jmhodges`	`if i remember correctly`
`07:32.43`	`pheph`	`not at all. and even if it does, you can prerender wav (or pipe std out to mp3 encoder if you're low on space)`
`07:33.02`	`jmhodges`	`i think there may even be more than one brontos but im not sure`
`07:33.16`	`pheph`	`cpu power used is highly relative to how you use it...`
`07:33.20`	`brontos`	`do you all have a problem with oz locking up?`
`07:33.45`	`brontos`	`because so far I love oz's gui but I am not liking the operation of it`
`07:33.58`	`DaWorm`	`this csound thing is interesting...`
`07:34.54`	`pheph`	`Its been around for a really long time, its like emacs or something ;)`
`07:35.30`	`DaWorm`	`1985`
`07:35.31`	`DaWorm`	`hmmm`
`07:35.40`	`jmhodges`	`man ive been looking for something like this to pop up in my browser`
`07:35.46`	`jmhodges`	`hehe and of course its from MIT`
`07:35.47`	`jmhodges`	`hehe`
`07:35.49`	`jmhodges`	`gnight folks`
`07:36.26`	`DaWorm`	`i'll bookmark it...the book looks very very interesting`
`07:36.40`	`pheph`	`yea, I ended up buying it. it comes with two great CD's...`
`07:36.58`	`pheph`	`it is an excellent book (MIT PRess and all)`
`07:39.03`	`DaWorm`	`so you can actually compose a whole tune with this?`
`07:39.45`	`pheph`	`It takes a bit of work, but you have complete control. You start looking at standard organ and piano sounds like ripoffs of what has already been done`
`07:39.51`	`pheph`	`its damaging to your free time ;)`
`07:40.28`	`DaWorm`	`something like rebirth?`
`07:41.50`	`pheph`	`no no no, even more so... if rebirth is like VB, Csound is like... well... C ;) ... Not to say Rebirth is bad, just at a much higher level than Csound`
`07:42.00`	`pheph`	`you have patterns, and measures, and loops`
`07:42.53`	`pheph`	`Csound you have sound`
`07:43.00`	`DaWorm`	`ohhh`
`07:43.04`	`DaWorm`	`looks complicated`
`07:43.05`	`DaWorm`	`hehe`
`07:43.07`	`pheph`	`:-D`
`07:43.33`	`pheph`	`They make tools that help you create your score and orchestra (as the files are called) like cecilia and whatnot`
`07:43.54`	`pheph`	`anyway, its been good talking to you guys, thanks for your help`
`07:44.03`	`pheph`	`i'll be on more, have a good nite`
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`10:52.10`	`lsmith`	`anyone awake?`
`10:52.57`	`Onyx4`	`barely`
`10:55.40`	`lsmith`	`:-)`
`10:55.51`	`lsmith`	`so opie 1.0 is around the corner?`
`10:56.13`	`lsmith`	`because people are starting to talk about 0Z 3.1(see topic)`
`10:56.19`	`Onyx4`	`that and other new cool stuff too`
`10:56.31`	`Onyx4`	`still a few critical showstopper bugs`
`10:56.42`	`lsmith`	`yeah .. currernt unstable is .. very unstable`
`10:56.45`	`Onyx4`	`once those are nailed down, it will be ready`
`10:56.55`	`lsmith`	`openzaurs feed that is`
`10:57.09`	`lsmith`	`anyone else noticed problems with smbmount?`
`10:57.17`	`lsmith`	`because i have since upgrading from unstable`
`10:57.43`	`lsmith`	`i am still using the same smbmount version .. but i cant connect to the linux fileserver anymore`
`10:57.50`	`lsmith`	`connecting to my win2k laptop still works though`
`10:57.53`	`Onyx4`	`mmm strange`
`10:58.06`	`Onyx4`	`what did you upgrade from unstable?`
`10:58.17`	`lsmith`	`everything :-)`
`10:58.34`	`lsmith`	`ipkg update; ipkg upgrade ..`
`10:58.52`	`Onyx4`	`I see`
`10:58.58`	`Onyx4`	`well we know that fork has a problem`
`10:59.05`	`Onyx4`	`so maybe it's trying to fork in the script smbmount`
`10:59.19`	`lsmith`	`yeah .. but why does it work with my win2k laptop ..`
`10:59.28`	`lsmith`	`that is the thing that irks me ..`
`10:59.31`	`Onyx4`	`ah that's true`
`11:00.03`	`Onyx4`	`well I gotta go to bed, I need to try unstable first and see what's up with it`
`11:00.08`	`lsmith`	`night`
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`11:18.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hi`
`11:21.16`	`Twiun`	`hey TMM`
`11:21.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sup`
`11:21.49`	`Twiun`	`getting wonka ready for insertion into the buildroot ;-)`
`11:23.22`	`lsmith`	`aloha TheMasterMind1`
`11:27.55`	`lsmith`	`i found some ipkg oddities ..`
`11:27.57`	`lsmith`	`wanna hear?`
`11:57.09`	`kolla`	`sure`
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`12:35.03`	`Twiun`	`open-wonka_0.9.4-1_arm.ipk == 1074kb`
`12:35.29`	`Twiun`	`I think that might rise to 1200kb with the full qtawt implementation ;-)`
`12:36.19`	`ljp`	`stretch`
`12:36.30`	`ljp`	`blinkblink*`
`12:36.36`	`ljp`	`yawn`
`12:38.36`	`mrz80`	`I take it the "Topic" warning about the unstable feed being seriously befargled is still in force?`
`12:49.58`	`ljp`	`ya`
`12:50.34`	`mrz80-afk`	`fooey`
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`12:59.18`	`aman`	`hi`
`12:59.21`	`aman`	`Onyx4 around?`
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`13:02.14`	`lava`	`yoyooyoy`
`13:13.55`	`lava`	`I am having trouble using OpenZaurus on my new PDA`
`13:14.29`	`lava`	`it recently caught on fire and is not working any more. How do I fix it?`
`13:19.17`	`mrz80-afk`	`You fix that by buying a used one on eBay :-)`
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`14:05.27`	`Twiun`	`file packages/qte-sdl/config.in already scanned?`
`14:05.27`	`Twiun`	`make: *** [menuconfig] Error 1`
`14:05.30`	`Twiun`	`any ideas?`
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`14:07.21`	`Twiun`	`hey ben`
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`14:32.23`	`retsel`	`ibot: faq?`
`14:32.24`		`hmm... faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or at http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html or at http://www.openzaurus.org/`
`14:33.16`	`retsel`	`ibot: openzaurus?`
`14:33.16`		`extra, extra, read all about it, openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp SL-5[50]00[dg]{0,1} PDA. See http://www.openzaurus.org/. Also ask me about oz faq, oz feed, oz bk, oz release, or oz prerelease. And dont forget to /join #openzaurus.`
`14:33.35`	`retsel`	`ibot: oz faq?`
`14:33.35`		`i guess oz faq is at http://www.openzaurus.org/`
`14:34.06`	`retsel`	`anyone here plugged a CF modem into a Z running openzaurus 3.0 and experienced a total Z lockup? I can't find any info in a FAQ or newsgroup archive.`
`14:34.33`	`retsel`	`OZ 3.0 actually sees a "CF Modem/Serial Device" -- that pops up above the little card control task bar icon -- but then a few seconds later, hard lockup.`
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`14:38.17`	`edgar`	`I've got a GPS CF card which, when inserted into my zaurus with OZ3 causes it to lock up`
`14:38.31`	`edgar`	`it did work with the sharp rom - any suggestions?`
`14:39.59`	`retsel`	`edgar: my problem is identical. I posted only moments before you entered the channel:`
`14:40.11`	`edgar`	`really, gps cf card?`
`14:40.19`	`retsel`	`anyone here plugged a CF modem into a Z running openzaurus 3.0 and experienced a total Z lockup? I can't find any info in a FAQ or newsgroup archive. OZ 3.0 actually sees a "CF Modem/Serial Device" -- that pops up above the little card control task bar icon -- but then a few seconds later, hard lockup.`
`14:40.44`	`retsel`	`and yes, I have a GPS CF, too, that behaves the exact same way...`
`14:40.46`	`edgar`	`yes, its exactly the same problem except mine is a gps card`
`14:41.42`	`edgar`	`i will have to go back to the sharp rom if there isn't a fix`
`14:41.55`	`retsel`	`I've been trying to figure out what's going on by sshing into the Z and running a loop over the process table, etc, but the Z locks hard and that's not muc use...`
`14:43.12`	`edgar`	`yup it definitely locks hard`
`14:43.44`	`edgar`	`i'm kind of bummed because i just installed oz and so far was enjoying it, but my gps card has got to work`
`14:46.41`	`ljp_work`	`send me your gps card, and I'll get it running! :)`
`14:47.10`	`ljp_work`	`I might bet that it is trying to mount it as a drive`
`14:49.24`	`edgar`	`jlp_work: it says its detected a serial/modem card`
`14:50.22`	`edgar`	`ljp_work: it says its detected a serial/modem card`
`14:50.32`	`ljp_work`	`oh`
`14:50.44`	`ljp_work`	`hmm`
`14:50.46`	`edgar`	`mispelled your name`
`14:50.53`	`ljp_work`	`:)`
`14:51.45`	`ljp_work`	`and then it freezes?`
`14:53.44`	`edgar`	`yup it takes a couple seconds and then it locks completely`
`14:54.01`	`ljp_work`	`what happens when you boot up with it in?`
`14:54.40`	`edgar`	`it goes to a blank black screen before ever getting to the desktop`
`14:55.47`	`ljp_work`	`hmm`
`14:56.01`	`edgar`	`it really doesn't like it`
`14:56.20`	`ljp_work`	`are you running syslogd and klogd and then try it?`
`14:57.32`	`edgar`	`i'm just running the default oz3 - is that stuff running by default`
`14:58.53`	`ljp_work`	`dont think so.`
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`14:59.13`	`ljp_work`	`that might give you some info on whats happening in the messages file`
`15:00.53`	`edgar`	`ok thanks i look into it eventually i may need to resort to sharp for now`
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`15:06.14`	`aman`	`Onyx4 here?`
`15:06.23`	`aman`	`anyone alive?`
`15:06.44`	`ljp_work`	`no`
`15:12.50`	`Twiun`	`pIng`
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`15:33.55`	`JasonNJ`	`Twiun: is kaffe+qt or is wonka+qt coming first`
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`15:45.11`	`Twiun`	`JasonNJ: that's a good question, as far as I'm aware, beattie hasnt resolved his libtool issues so wonka+qt first`
`15:46.17`	`JasonNJ`	`can personaljava apps run unaltered in wonka?`
`15:46.24`	`JasonNJ`	`that is to say, stuff written for jeode?`
`15:46.50`	`Twiun`	`yeah, wonka is java 1.1 compliant - I wouldn't be touching it otherwise`
`15:46.57`	`JasonNJ`	`ok`
`15:47.18`	`Twiun`	`what I might do at some point is make it work with gnu classpath - and leverage their efforts`
`15:47.35`	`JasonNJ`	`but the problem is, all of the ipks have desktop icons which call a batch file that call evm`
`15:47.58`	`Twiun`	`yep.... so we create an evm->wonka symlink`
`15:48.01`	`JasonNJ`	`so we will need some sort of batch file called evm which passes the corect paramaters`
`15:48.24`	`Twiun`	`wonka accepts most of the same parameters that evm does - and we can add those it doesn't`
`15:48.34`	`JasonNJ`	`have you tested any of these ipks yet?`
`15:48.57`	`Twiun`	`not with the qt binding`
`15:49.05`	`Twiun`	`it's not complete enough yet for that`
`15:49.14`	`JasonNJ`	`ok`
`15:49.19`	`JasonNJ`	`whats currently missing?`
`15:49.59`	`Twiun`	`quite a few of the native peers, but those are quite simple to do (they only wrap qt ones)`
`15:50.09`	`Twiun`	`when do you need to know by?`
`15:50.17`	`chouimat`	`morning`
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`15:50.20`	`Twiun`	`hey chouimat`
`15:50.34`	`Twiun`	`hey Piete`
`15:50.42`	`Piete`	`Heya :D`
`15:51.02`	`Twiun`	`JasonNJ: I'm integrating wonka into the buildroot today so we should have more testers soon`
`15:51.12`	`Piete`	`heya JasonNJ`
`15:51.16`	`chouimat`	`anyone use glibc 2.3.1 on his desktop? any problems upgrading?`
`15:52.11`	`Piete`	`hmm, how do I downgrade back to stable,, unstable is not that good for general PDAing`
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`15:53.38`	`Twiun`	`ok.... now wtf is wrong with the buildroot?`
`15:53.40`	`Twiun`	`./scripts/kconfig/conf -s ./config.in`
`15:53.40`	`Twiun`	`file packages/qte-sdl/config.in already scanned?`
`15:53.40`	`Twiun`	`make: *** [.config] Error 1`
`15:57.10`	`Piete`	`Is it possible to use the OpenOffice.org fonts for on the launcher? It does not seem to work`
`15:58.58`	kergoth`zzz	`Twiun: its being included twice by some other config.in`
`15:59.02`	kergoth`zzz	`Twiun: check packages/config.in`
`15:59.20`	`Twiun`	kergoth`zzz: yeah, just did - seems that's the way it is in bk - changed my local copy
`16:00.53`	kergoth`zzz	`k`
`16:01.26`	kergoth`zzz	`any volunteers to test OZ built from bk to assist in isolating the forking issue?`
`16:02.15`	`Piete`	kergoth`zzz: if I could understand what you just said I'd volunteer :P
`16:02.27`	`Piete`	kergoth`zzz: but I'm just a mere n00b :)
`16:02.40`	kergoth`zzz	`1) obtain oz from bk, 2) compile it, 3) flash the built image, 4) watch things explode and try to figure out why`
`16:02.43`	kergoth`zzz	`:)`
`16:04.10`	`chouimat`	kergoth`zzz: do you use glibc 2.3.1 on your desktop?
`16:04.18`	kergoth`zzz	`chouimat: yep, seems to be working fine`
`16:04.30`	`chouimat`	kergoth`zzz: no problem upgrading?
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`16:05.44`	kergoth`zzz	`none, surprisingly painless. course i switched to it when debian unstable switched to it ;)`
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`16:06.39`	`chouimat`	kergoth`zzz: ok
`16:07.53`	`Twiun`	`ok... make config \|\| make menuconfig == zilch, just returns to the prompt`
`16:08.05`	`Twiun`	`(make xconfig barfs on qt stuff)`
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`16:09.57`	`Twiun`	`tried bk pull and bk -r co -q, no joy`
`16:12.42`	kergoth`zzz	`Twiun: yep, mine's doing the same damn thing. dunno wtf is going on, somebody b0rked the config`
`16:13.30`	`Twiun`	kergoth`zzz: ok, I'll check in my wonka changes to config.in and Makefile - want me to fix the qte-sdl thing too? (as a separate commit)
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`16:20.45`	kergoth`zzz	`Twiun: found the problem that borked the config system. fixed. fixed the qte-sdl thing. pushing into bkbits now`
`16:20.49`	kergoth`zzz	`Twiun: :)`
`16:20.56`	kergoth`zzz	`Twiun: a missing " caused that mess`
`16:20.58`	kergoth`zzz	`Twiun: lol`
`16:21.09`	`Twiun`	`lol, ok`
`16:21.17`	`ljp_work`	`damn quotes`
`16:22.47`	`Piete`	`:)`
`16:25.32`	`Twiun`	`yup`
`16:26.36`	`Piete`	`shriek! Alone in the dark!,, Changes xchat background to white`
`16:27.07`	`ljp_work`	`what about opie devs?`
`16:30.39`	kergoth`zzz	`god i hate being sick`
`16:30.46`	`Twiun`	`flu?`
`16:30.49`	`ljp_work`	`god I hate headaches`
`16:31.12`	kergoth`zzz	`not sure what it is. fever, sinus issues. shit has been with me since leaving vegas last week`
`16:31.19`	kergoth`zzz	`just cant seem to shake it`
`16:31.28`	`ljp_work`	`hmmm.. too manyhookers`
`16:34.42`	`chouimat`	`ljp_work: hehehe`
`16:35.31`	`ljp_work`	`or not enough hookers`
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`16:36.43`	`AndyQ`	`lo`
`16:37.27`	`Twiun`	`yowdy`
`16:37.35`	`Piete`	`hey AndyQ!`
`16:38.27`	`AndyQ`	`hows things - unstable any better today?`
`16:40.00`	`chouimat`	`AndyQ: a little less fever`
`16:40.38`	`AndyQ`	`hehe`
`16:41.19`	`Twiun`	`AndyQ: getting wonka into the buildroot`
`16:42.09`	`AndyQ`	`Twiun: excellent - is that with the qt/awt bindings?`
`16:42.56`	`Twiun`	`AndyQ: with the beginnings of them, I need to do a lot more work - but at least the java<->qt native interface compiles and runs`
`16:43.14`	`Twiun`	`AndyQ: most of the rest of the stuff I can derive from other gpl qtawt efforts`
`16:43.18`	`Twiun`	`I hope ;-)`
`16:43.22`	`AndyQ`	`wahey - open source java coming soon to a Zaurus near you :)`
`16:43.35`	`AndyQ`	`how does it perform - compared to kaffe/jeode?`
`16:44.31`	`ciao_linux`	`morning`
`16:44.36`	`AndyQ`	`morning`
`16:44.42`	`Twiun`	`so far, same type of performance - the Z hasn't got enough oomph for a jit`
`16:44.49`	`Twiun`	`hiya ciao_linux`
`16:45.01`	`ciao_linux`	`wow... the zaurus is on the cover of LJ`
`16:45.07`	`AndyQ`	`LJ?`
`16:45.14`	`ciao_linux`	`Linux Journal`
`16:45.17`	`JasonNJ`	`Twiun: there is no rush at all on wonka/qt, but I'm happy to hear you are as far along as you are`
`16:45.24`	`ciao_linux`	`AndyQ: unfortunatelly not the Time! :-)`
`16:45.51`	`ciao_linux`	`the article mentions opie, but not oz :-(`
`16:45.51`	`AndyQ`	`:)`
`16:45.55`	`JasonNJ`	`because it means OpenZaurus will be a legit java platform within months`
`16:49.42`	`ciao_linux`	`ibot: seen pavelm`
`16:49.45`		`pavelm <pavel@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 1d 46m 27s ago, saying: 'Bye bye.'.`
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`17:00.59`	`Piete`	`nite`
`17:20.35`	`*** join/#openzaurus aman (foobar@h-69-3-1-45.MCLNVA23.covad.net)`
`17:20.44`	`aman`	`anyone alive?`
`17:20.49`	`AndyQ`	`hey aman`
`17:20.55`	`Twiun`	`yo`
`17:20.56`	kergoth`zzz	`hey aman`
`17:21.02`	`AndyQ`	`got another feature request for ipkg`
`17:21.05`	`aman`	kergoth`zzz whats new
`17:21.07`	`AndyQ`	hey kergoth`zzz
`17:21.10`	`aman`	`AndyQ what?`
`17:21.13`	kergoth`zzz	`hey andy`
`17:21.21`	kergoth`zzz	`aman: nada, trying to beat OZ into submission`
`17:21.30`	`AndyQ`	`how about the ability to downgrade a package - say with a flag - -force-downgrade`
`17:21.41`	kergoth`zzz	`from a feed you mean?`
`17:21.49`	kergoth`zzz	`local packages get installed regardless of whether they're older or not`
`17:21.52`	`AndyQ`	`yeah`
`17:22.05`	`aman`	kergoth`zzz still having that fork/etc problem?
`17:22.09`	kergoth`zzz	`but which version would you downgrade to?`
`17:22.09`	`aman`	`did you try reverting busybox?`
`17:22.17`	kergoth`zzz	`there could be 100 different versions of a package in your varying feeds`
`17:22.22`	`aman`	`AndyQ yea, that sounds good.`
`17:22.22`	kergoth`zzz	`aman: someone else did, no luck`
`17:22.28`	`aman`	kergoth`zzz damn
`17:22.36`	kergoth`zzz	`something's very bad`
`17:22.36`	kergoth`zzz	`heh`
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`17:22.44`	`AndyQ`	`well, you'd find a feed that had an older version in, disable the feeds that had newer/other versions in and install that`
`17:22.46`	`aman`	`indeed`
`17:22.49`	`aman`	`what'd we change anyway...`
`17:22.50`	`aman`	`hmm`
`17:22.53`	kergoth`zzz	`AndyQ: ..?`
`17:22.58`	`aman`	kergoth`zzz hancom and opera both work with libc 2.3.1
`17:23.00`	kergoth`zzz	`AndyQ: and what if i run it with that command with them all enabled?`
`17:23.01`	`Xentac[work]`	kergoth`zzz: still sleeping?
`17:23.03`	kergoth`zzz	`AndyQ: which would it select?`
`17:23.07`	kergoth`zzz	`Xentac[work]: mentally anyway`
`17:23.16`	`aman`	`i gtg`
`17:23.17`	`aman`	`later`
`17:23.19`	`AndyQ`	`hehe - that would be fun - hell, just select one at random :)`
`17:23.21`	kergoth`zzz	`aman: i'm building a gcc3.2 built rom, but with qt and opie built with gcc2`
`17:23.22`	`Xentac[work]`	`anyone who upgraded to the unstable feed yesterday want to try running Contacts or Todo?`
`17:23.26`	kergoth`zzz	`AndyQ: hehe`
`17:23.29`	`Xentac[work]`	`they don't seem to work for me... missing symbols...`
`17:23.31`	`AndyQ`	`either that or fail to install if more that one found`
`17:23.33`	kergoth`zzz	`Xentac[work]: unstable is b0rked`
`17:23.42`	`Xentac[work]`	kergoth`zzz: I'm just curious how b0rked ;o)
`17:23.52`	`gorts`	`me too!`
`17:23.56`	`gorts`	`i'm upgrading now :-)`
`17:23.59`	`ljp_work`	`bjOrked`
`17:24.07`	`gorts`	`oy`
`17:24.10`	`AndyQ`	`Xentac[work]: contacts works`
`17:24.16`	`Xentac[work]`	`AndyQ: yeah? damn...`
`17:24.21`	`AndyQ`	`so does todo`
`17:24.32`	`Xentac[work]`	`alrighty... so it's something with me then`
`17:25.25`	kergoth`zzz	`hmm`
`17:25.30`	kergoth`zzz	`i just realized i forgot my cell phone at home`
`17:25.31`	kergoth`zzz	`eek`
`17:25.35`	`AndyQ`	`doh!`
`17:25.55`	kergoth`zzz	`i hate that`
`17:25.59`	kergoth`zzz	`feel all disconnected`
`17:26.00`	kergoth`zzz	`hehe`
`17:26.13`	`Xentac[work]`	kergoth`zzz: hehehe
`17:26.22`	`AndyQ`	kergoth`zzz: did I mention that I've managed to squeeze a movie (Mission Impossible) onto a 128Mb CF card - with sound?
`17:26.30`	kergoth`zzz	`nice`
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`17:26.40`	`AndyQ`	`pretty good quality as well`
`17:26.44`	`Twiun`	kergoth`zzz: did you push your fixes?
`17:26.59`	kergoth`zzz	`Twiun: oh hell if i remember. hold on, let me check`
`17:27.28`	`Twiun`	kergoth`zzz: no worries ;-) you're sick
`17:27.41`	`AndyQ`	kergoth`zzz: waaazzzza?
`17:28.14`	kergoth`zzz	`testing out an image with libc 2.3.1, built by gcc3, except for the c++ apps`
`17:28.19`	kergoth`zzz	`those will be built with 2.95`
`17:28.20`	kergoth`zzz	`just for shits`
`17:32.52`	kergoth`zzz	`eek`
`17:32.54`	kergoth`zzz	`okay guys`
`17:32.58`	kergoth`zzz	`syslogd fails to fork`
`17:33.02`	kergoth`zzz	`using libc 2.3.1`
`17:33.05`	kergoth`zzz	`so its not libc`
`17:33.08`	kergoth`zzz	`next!`
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`17:34.25`	`AndyQ`	`hmmm, kergoth, any idea what file packages/qte-sdl/config.in already scanned? means`
`17:34.28`	kergoth`zzz	`grr!`
`17:34.43`	kergoth`zzz	`AndyQ: it means i forgot to push the fix, it means its including that file twice in packages/config.in`
`17:34.50`	`AndyQ`	`hehe :)`
`17:35.07`	kergoth`zzz	`schurig: are you seeing any difficulties with oz/ramses on your unit built recently? I'm getting strange errors`
`17:35.11`	`schurig`	`Hi all: I just pushed a fix to tremor/config.in ... a " was missing that made "make xconfig" no longer working. I guess I was the one that did the error in the first place ...`
`17:35.23`	`Twiun`	`hehe`
`17:35.27`	kergoth`zzz	`schurig: 'start-stop-daemon: unable to fork: Success'`
`17:36.17`	`schurig`	kergoth`zzz: currently I have only a VERY small subset of OZ on my platform. I first have to write a raw-mode able keyboard driver, then I can get the
`17:36.37`	kergoth`zzz	`schurig: gotcha.`
`17:36.37`	`schurig`	`keyboard in QtE working, then I can look after Opie and then I dig into all those nifty packages ...`
`17:36.45`	kergoth`zzz	`the problem here is lower level than opie`
`17:36.53`	kergoth`zzz	`syslogd and sshd fail to fork off their background processes`
`17:36.55`	`schurig`	`The fun of not using a Sharp with a Sharp distro :-)`
`17:37.00`	kergoth`zzz	`or rather, syslogd fails when started with start-stop-daemon`
`17:37.32`	`schurig`	`I am not even using "start-stop-daemon" at the moment ...`
`17:37.45`	kergoth`zzz	`hmm`
`17:37.47`	kergoth`zzz	`damnit`
`17:37.53`	kergoth`zzz	`its not libc thats broken, thats confirmed`
`17:38.00`	kergoth`zzz	`i better backrev busybox`
`17:38.01`	`schurig`	`Okay, but it's in busybox, maybe we can blame them.`
`17:38.06`	kergoth`zzz	`hehe`
`17:38.08`	kergoth`zzz	`hopefully`
`17:38.38`	`schurig`	`By the way: this morning my box wanted to build busybox, but somehow it did not really work. I simply removed sources/busybox build/busybox and the stamps.`
`17:38.53`	kergoth`zzz	`hm, odd`
`17:38.56`	`schurig`	`MAYBE the cvs checkout of a specific version was sticky ?!?!`
`17:39.17`	`schurig`	`You know, we had a fixed cvsdate a week ago or so.... is this sticky?`
`17:39.39`	kergoth`zzz	`yes cvsdate is stick`
`17:39.40`	kergoth`zzz	`y`
`17:39.44`	kergoth`zzz	`its in CVS/Tag`
`17:39.56`	`schurig`	`Now we dont, maybe we should add then "-f" to cvs co to force a HEAD checkout if no cvsdate is set?`
`17:40.20`	kergoth`zzz	`..`
`17:40.33`	`chouimat\|busy]`	kergoth`zzz: at work?
`17:40.38`	kergoth`zzz	`if you're doing a cvs co, the local checked out repos shouldnt be there any longer, so sticky tags are gone`
`17:40.42`	kergoth`zzz	`chouimat\|busy]: yeah`
`17:41.17`	`schurig`	kergoth`zzz: just an assumption: we do a cvs co with -D <somedate> because we compile some module for the first time, then ...
`17:41.33`	`schurig`	kergoth`zzz: ... some week later one removes the cvsdate and ...
`17:41.58`	`schurig`	kergoth`zzz: ... now I do a "bk pull" and get the new Makefile. I do a "make" and maybe ...
`17:42.01`	kergoth`zzz	`schurig: removing cvsdate wont affect anything until you make SUBDIRS= .. mrproper and force a recheckout`
`17:42.19`	kergoth`zzz	`schurig: since the sources and sourcetree already exists, adn the stamps exist, it wont obtain/extract`
`17:42.26`	`schurig`	kergoth`zzz: ... now the system just does an "cvs update" or "cvs co" again, without the "-f", so the old -D <DATE>" sticks to the checked out tree ...
`17:42.34`	kergoth`zzz	`system doesnt do cvs update`
`17:42.36`	kergoth`zzz	`at any point`
`17:42.39`	kergoth`zzz	`not on its own anyway`
`17:42.51`	kergoth`zzz	`and wont do a cvs co unless you force it to reobtain sources`
`17:42.59`	kergoth`zzz	`in which case the sorucetree no longer exists, and the tags are already gone`
`17:43.08`	`schurig`	kergoth`zzz: ok, but a "cvs co" does honor a sticky tag/date, too
`17:43.29`	kergoth`zzz	`you mean a cvs co when the sourcetree already exists?`
`17:43.39`	kergoth`zzz	`when it doesnt exist, CVS/Tag doesnt exist, and there is no sticky tag`
`17:43.41`	kergoth`zzz	`:)`
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`17:44.24`	`schurig`	kergoth`zzz: ok. But the sticky-cvs-tree is still in sources, what happens if I update the makefile and get rid of the cvsdate? Will it detect that an re-checkout?
`17:44.30`	`schurig`	kergoth`zzz: probably not ?!?!
`17:46.07`	`Twiun`	kergoth`zzz: make: *** No rule to make target `nodeps_packages/open-wonka', needed by `nodeps_sub_dirs'. Stop.
`17:46.12`	`Twiun`	kergoth`zzz: what have I buggered up?
`17:46.14`	kergoth`zzz	`schurig: exactly. updates of makefiles dont imply any action, at the moment. perhaps we should store an md5 of the contents of the Sources variable, and if it chagnes, automatically reobtain sources and reextract them?`
`17:46.23`	kergoth`zzz	`Twiun: its not enabled, or you didnt add it to packages/Makefile`
`17:46.46`	`Twiun`	`hmmm... this is for make clean`
`17:46.51`	kergoth`zzz	`?`
`17:47.07`	`Twiun`	`make SUBDIRS=packages/open-wonka clean`
`17:47.08`	`Twiun`	make: *** No rule to make target `nodeps_packages/open-wonka', needed by `nodeps_sub_dirs'. Stop.
`17:47.21`	kergoth`zzz	`yes, i just said that.`
`17:47.27`	kergoth`zzz	`what i wrote still applies.`
`17:47.29`	`Twiun`	`right, sorry`
`17:47.43`	`schurig`	kergoth`zzz: that, or do a "cvs co -f" when the Makefile is higher in date than the stamp/.<whatever>.source. Just an idea, not well-thought-throught ...
`17:47.58`	`mrz80`	`An observation: I see the unstable feed has a bunch of ipkgs dated yesterday afternoon and this morning. Can one infer that some/most/all? of the major/minor/annoying? bugs have been quashed? Or am I dreaming? :-)`
`17:48.03`	kergoth`zzz	`schurig: hmmm.. but a change to Makefile isnt necessarily a change to the sources.. what if i just tweak the staging install?`
`17:48.07`	kergoth`zzz	`schurig: ;)`
`17:48.15`	kergoth`zzz	`mrz80: read the topic.`
`17:48.35`	`schurig`	kergoth`zzz: as I said, not thought through :-)
`17:48.47`	kergoth`zzz	`hehe`
`17:49.13`	kergoth`zzz	`schurig: right now it doesnt pay attention to our makefile changes, we have to manually wipe the appropriate stamp to force a rebuild of a given step`
`17:49.16`	kergoth`zzz	`schurig: we should fix that..`
`17:50.14`	`schurig`	`By the way: is the programmer of ipkg in our IRC? I have ipkg with option offline_root /mnt/tftpboot in /etc/ipkg.conf and it always complains when I install packages (on my x86) that it can't execute the preinit and postinit scripts. I'm happy it can't execute them, thrashing wildly in my system ...`
`17:50.33`	kergoth`zzz	`schurig: hehe.`
`17:50.42`	kergoth`zzz	`schurig: i wish we could disable the preinst/postinst execution with a cmdline opt`
`17:50.51`	kergoth`zzz	`schurig: TheMasterMind1 and jamey are the ipkg maintainers. tmm1 is in here`
`17:50.56`	kergoth`zzz	`schurig: jamey is on #handhelds.org`
`17:51.03`	`schurig`	`TheMasterMind1: you heard us?`
`17:52.43`	kergoth`zzz	`ipkg install -o output/rootfs -disable-scripts blah.ipk`
`17:52.45`	kergoth`zzz	`heh!`
`17:52.46`	kergoth`zzz	`:)`
`17:53.04`	`schurig`	`# ipkg --help`
`17:53.05`	`schurig`	ipkg: unrecognized option `--help'
`17:53.05`	`schurig`	`Segmentation fault (core dumped)`
`17:53.08`	`schurig`	`:-)`
`17:53.11`	kergoth`zzz	`lol`
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`18:02.31`	`schurig`	kergoth`zzz: The current busybox works nice in my CURRENT little system
`18:02.58`	`schurig`	`But I have almost nothing installed:`
`18:03.01`	`schurig`	`busybox -`
`18:03.02`	`schurig`	`hotplug -`
`18:03.02`	`schurig`	`kernel -`
`18:03.03`	`schurig`	`kernel-modules-2.4.19-rmk4-pxa1 -`
`18:03.03`	`schurig`	`libc6 -`
`18:03.04`	`schurig`	`libjpeg62 -`
`18:03.06`	`schurig`	`modutils -`
`18:03.08`	`schurig`	`ncurses-base -`
`18:03.10`	`schurig`	`ncurses-term -`
`18:03.12`	`schurig`	`pcmcia-cs -`
`18:03.14`	`schurig`	`ppp -`
`18:03.16`	`schurig`	`qt -`
`18:03.18`	`schurig`	`ramses-base -`
`18:03.20`	`schurig`	`rzsz -`
`18:03.22`	`schurig`	`strace -`
`18:03.24`	`schurig`	`utelnetd -`
`18:03.26`	kergoth`zzz	`hmmmm`
`18:03.32`	`schurig`	`That's all ...`
`18:04.01`	kergoth`zzz	`well, my busybox works fine most of the time, just certain things fail to spawn`
`18:04.04`	kergoth`zzz	`its really strange`
`18:04.06`	kergoth`zzz	`:)`
`18:04.59`	`schurig`	`Hmm, what about an strace of an old, working busybox and the non-working one?`
`18:04.59`	kergoth`zzz	`schurig: init=/bin/sh, or using sysvinit or busybox init?`
`18:06.32`	`schurig`	`Hmm, it looks like I copied my own sysvinit from somewhere onto it. My nfs-tree is not (yet) totally made of IPKs :-(`
`18:06.52`	`schurig`	`Must be an sysvinit from your older buildsystem,the one with the .mk files.`
`18:07.01`	kergoth`zzz	`ahh gotcha`
`18:07.06`	kergoth`zzz	`just curious :)`
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`18:10.02`	`schurig`	`I just re-compile a libc6 (and hope I get a working one). Then I can test again ...`
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`18:12.40`	`schurig`	`kergoth: do you change your nick from 'zzz to NULL once your coffeine level is high enought? ;-)`
`18:12.50`	`AndyQ`	`hehe`
`18:13.27`	`kergoth`	`schurig: exactly!`
`18:13.28`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`18:14.08`	`tux_mike`	`ok. think it's time to reload my computer`
`18:19.41`	`Onyx4`	`hey`
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`18:19.52`	`noda`	`Moo!`
`18:19.54`	`Onyx4`	`TheMasterMind1: you there`
`18:20.34`	`kergoth`	`noda: philosophical mood today eh?`
`18:20.37`	`kergoth`	`hey Onyx4, noda`
`18:20.49`	`noda`	`kergoth: Heh, nah, was just on the phone with Girl and feel like exploding :P`
`18:20.59`	`chouimat\|busy]`	`noda: when you teleport yourself, did your soul follow you?`
`18:21.00`	`noda`	`You know, the usual :P`
`18:21.07`	`noda`	`chouimat\|busy]: I love that one.`
`18:21.15`	`noda`	`chouimat\|busy]: And cloning... where does the soul go!`
`18:21.49`	`chouimat\|busy]`	`noda: fun to see the face of the barmaid when you debate the first one with your friend`
`18:21.58`	`noda`	`lol`
`18:22.23`	`chouimat\|busy]`	`noda: just try it some day :)`
`18:22.25`	`noda`	`Yeah, those conversations are certainly more interesting after a beer or two :)`
`18:22.32`	`Onyx4`	`kergoth: I've got the same problem that I had with libvorbis when trying to compile SDL-mixer , it tries to use /usr/lib/libSDL.so`
`18:22.46`	`Onyx4`	`but I don't think it's calling libtool this time`
`18:22.53`	`Onyx4`	`cause it has libtoolisafool defined`
`18:22.57`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: doesnt matter`
`18:23.06`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: libtool is a fool doesnt prevent the use of libtool`
`18:23.15`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: it just prevents libtool from one of its many stupidities`
`18:23.17`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`18:23.20`	`Onyx4`	`ok`
`18:23.22`	`schurig`	`btw: should qte-sql really be libsdl-qte ?`
`18:23.34`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: problem is, there are .la files in your staging dir`
`18:23.39`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: which reference /usr/lib`
`18:23.54`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: easiest solution is remove them and prevent the staging installs of those apps from installing them`
`18:23.59`	`Onyx4`	`kergoth: oh so we need to clean the staging install maybe?`
`18:24.05`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: ..?`
`18:24.15`	`Onyx4`	`manual staging install`
`18:24.17`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: we need to prevent the apps that are installing .la files from installing .la files :)`
`18:24.19`	`Onyx4`	`instead of make install?`
`18:24.20`	`kergoth`	`right`
`18:24.46`	`schurig`	`Onyx4: and prevent them from installing cross-compiled binaries as well ...`
`18:24.51`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`18:25.01`	`kergoth`	`staging install is only libs, headers, and native binaries`
`18:25.04`	`kergoth`	`bin, lib, include`
`18:25.34`	`Onyx4`	`I've taken mostly what was used for pg-sdl in the Makefile tough`
`18:25.42`	`schurig`	`There are still some stuff that puts things into usr/bin, e.g. freetype-config, glib-config, openobex-config`
`18:25.43`	`Onyx4`	`so I guess it's qte-sdl that I need to clean up`
`18:26.10`	`kergoth`	`schurig: yeah. i think we should make it only lib, bin, and include, make all installs to those dirs manual..`
`18:26.10`	`Onyx4`	`but we need those sdl-config binaries right?`
`18:26.16`	`schurig`	`I refrained from chaning this because I don't have any clue if other packages still depend on them being in usr/bin instead of bin`
`18:26.40`	`schurig`	`kergoth: So I can change them ... and if some other package's Makefile breaks, it's the their's fault?`
`18:27.20`	`kergoth`	`schurig: hehe. a quick grep will find the occurances of $(STAGING_DIR)/usr/bin :)`
`18:29.36`	`schurig`	`Ok, but for many I can't make real decisions of what to do. E.g., openobex-apps does have a staginginstall, but I guess that this one is not needed at all. However, currently I can't run it, so I cannot find out if it's safe to get rid of this completely.`
`18:29.48`	`kergoth`	`understood`
`18:29.56`	`kergoth`	`I'll run it through it this evening and do some cleanups myself`
`18:29.58`	`kergoth`	`K?`
`18:30.21`	`Onyx4`	`I've found those .la files which I think are problematic`
`18:30.26`	`Onyx4`	`libSDL.la* libaudiofile.la* libglib.la* libogg.la* libvorbisidec.la*`
`18:30.26`	`Onyx4`	`libSDL_net.la* libfreetype.la* libmad.la* libopenobex.la*`
`18:30.36`	`Onyx4`	`so I guess we need to clean all theses packages Makefiles`
`18:30.39`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: right. all those builds shouldnt be installing them. they're not required`
`18:30.42`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: yep`
`18:30.51`	`Onyx4`	`ok so you'll go thru some of that and clean up?`
`18:30.56`	`Onyx4`	`just to make sure we don't overlap`
`18:31.24`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: yeah, i'll do some staging cleanups when i get home. drop me an email with that list you just pasted will you? and send it to clarson@digi.com, my primary box is down`
`18:31.32`	`Onyx4`	`ok`
`18:31.38`	`schurig`	`The same here:`
`18:31.42`	`schurig`	`# find -name "*.la"`
`18:31.42`	`schurig`	`./staging/usr/lib/libfreetype.la`
`18:31.42`	`schurig`	`./staging/usr/lib/libglib.la`
`18:31.42`	`schurig`	`./staging/usr/lib/libaudiofile.la`
`18:31.43`	`schurig`	`./staging/usr/lib/libopenobex.la`
`18:31.43`	`schurig`	`./staging/lib/libltdl.la`
`18:31.57`	`schurig`	`where does "libltdl.la" come from?`
`18:32.21`	`noda`	`Whoa, I'm reading this little thingy on Einstein referred to on /. - does anybody know how "The speed of light is constant no matter what your frame of reference"?`
`18:33.15`	`noda`	`Or is that "the whole thing" and once I understand that relativity is just an extension of it...`
`18:33.31`	`schurig`	`noda: i knew`
`18:33.55`	`schurig`	`noda: ahh, sorry. I don't know HOW, I just knew the fact.`
`18:33.59`	`noda`	`Oh, lol`
`18:34.18`	`noda`	`I mean, that's a pretty freakin' crazy claim, I'm wondering how he came up with it :)`
`18:34.53`	`schurig`	`When you read a book on this kind of physics some years ago and you never needed the knowledge in real life (my car is still far from lightspeed) ... you just know that some stuff exists :-)`
`18:35.06`	`noda`	`I know, but I think that stuff is neat :)`
`18:35.09`	`schurig`	`noda: there are many good books on this subject`
`18:35.34`	`noda`	`Yeah, but I read books at night before going to bed... I don't exactly want to have my head explode before sleep every night :)`
`18:36.32`	`noda`	`lol, I like this quote: "To punish me for my contempt of authority, Fate has made me an authority myself."`
`18:37.06`	`schurig`	`kergoth: OK, libc6 has been recompiled. I have a minimal installation now:`
`18:37.08`	`schurig`	`busybox -`
`18:37.08`	`schurig`	`e2fsprogs -`
`18:37.08`	`schurig`	`kernel-modules -`
`18:37.09`	`schurig`	`libc6 -`
`18:37.10`	`schurig`	`ramses-base -`
`18:37.10`	`schurig`	`sysvinit -`
`18:38.16`	`noda`	`Ooh, Einstein was a socialist...`
`18:39.26`	`schurig`	`kergoth: Hmm, I can't login as root ...`
`18:40.01`	`kergoth`	`schurig: busybox bug. edit login.c, check_tty(), bottom line, change return 0 to return 1`
`18:41.19`	`schurig`	`kergoth: why do we compile busybox with securetty? Do we need that?`
`18:41.45`	`beattie`	`kergoth: I'm still getting the same failure, I sent you a typescript`
`18:43.29`	`noda`	`ROFL, I like this slashdot article, "IDC says Win2000 TCO is better than Linux over a 5-year period"... suggesting that Win2k came out in '97?`
`18:43.53`	`Twiun`	`beattie: any progress with libtool?`
`18:45.57`	`numatrix`	`noda: While I disagree with some of their assumptions, you do have to do some projections; you often have to guess to figure the TCO.`
`18:46.19`	`beattie`	`libtool? I can't get buildroot to build right now...awt-qt has been intgrated into kaffe I'm going to try to get that ported`
`18:46.22`	`JasonNJ`	`actually its entirely possible Windows 2000 has a lower TCO.`
`18:46.27`	`JasonNJ`	`but TCO doesnt mean shit.`
`18:46.37`	`noda`	`Yeah, but the "guess" varies from "Linux costs 50% of Windows" to "Windows costs 50% of Linux". TCO is a garbage term that's only made to spread FUD.`
`18:46.57`	`numatrix`	`noda: Unless it suggests linux is better, right?`
`18:47.06`	`JasonNJ`	`certainly if you are going to use off the shelf apps, Windows 2000 as a server infrastructure OS is going to probably be cheaper over a 5 year period.`
`18:47.12`	`noda`	`numatrix: Heh, I'd like to say no, but of course there is that :P`
`18:47.18`	`JasonNJ`	`however if you factor in SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT thats a totally different story.`
`18:47.21`	`beattie`	`however memos produced by MS refute the windows has a lower TCO`
`18:47.24`	`Onyx4`	`I fixed the duplicate qte-sdl in packages/config.in`
`18:47.33`	`JasonNJ`	`the whole point of linux is that you are rolling a lot of your own apps based on avalaible tools`
`18:47.34`	`Onyx4`	`I think that's cause of a conflict resolve that caused that`
`18:47.54`	`JasonNJ`	`most of the cost in linux is directly related to having to pay for expertise`
`18:48.11`	`schurig`	`kergoth: getting rid of SECURETTY made it working, it also reduzed the text size of busybox by about 264 bytes :-)`
`18:48.20`	`JasonNJ`	`since the setup is more time intensive and there is a smaller pool of qualified people to work with linux`
`18:48.30`	`noda`	`Also, "Linux TCO" is an incredibly broad term. Is thiat Debian, which has no cost and no maintenance beyond "apt-get dist-upgrade", or is it SuSE, or UnitedLinux, or what?`
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`18:48.39`	`schurig`	`if OZ doesn't need securetty, I'll commit`
`18:48.52`	`noda`	`JasonNJ: Yes, but the counterargument is that while there aren't as many qualified professionals, they don't cost significantly MORE.`
`18:49.02`	`JasonNJ`	`well, actually..`
`18:49.08`	`JasonNJ`	`if you look at the NY Times`
`18:49.29`	`JasonNJ`	`Unix sysadmins make more than windows ones`
`18:49.41`	`JasonNJ`	`Win32 programmers and Unix programmers about the same`
`18:49.49`	`JasonNJ`	`maybe a little bit more for unix programmers`
`18:49.52`	`schurig`	`JasonNJ: but they can handle a significant higher number of servers at a time ...`
`18:49.57`	`noda`	`Yeah, exactly`
`18:50.03`	`JasonNJ`	`well`
`18:50.14`	`JasonNJ`	`I wouldnt say that`
`18:50.25`	`JasonNJ`	`unix administration is server per server based`
`18:50.33`	`JasonNJ`	`Windos 2000 has better admin tools`
`18:50.34`	`noda`	`We've got 5 Linux servers at work and 5 unix servers... guess which ones we spend more time on.`
`18:50.38`	`beattie`	`who hires aProgrammer to Admin a linux server`
`18:50.45`	`noda`	`s/unix/windows`
`18:50.47`	`schurig`	`JasonNJ: type fm:pikt into konqueror :-)`
`18:50.48`	`beattie`	`any server`
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`18:51.13`	`JasonNJ`	`schurig: no comparison to what Active Directory has`
`18:51.13`	`noda`	`Seriously, for maintenance (i.e., upgrades, etc) all the servers together total about an hour of SSH-ing.`
`18:51.40`	`schurig`	`JasonNJ: AD can change configurations, update software packages, keep things cohorent and documented in one place?`
`18:51.45`	`JasonNJ`	`but again, Linux is used for the most part as application servers`
`18:51.48`	`noda`	`(of course, this isn't a pro-Linux thing. I agree AD is cool. I'm just saying TCO is a stupid term)`
`18:51.52`	`JasonNJ`	`not for file and print`
`18:52.05`	`noda`	`schurig: Yes :P`
`18:52.11`	`JasonNJ`	`and also with linux you dont get the whole ldap integration with mail like you do with exchange`
`18:52.16`	`JasonNJ`	`which, I consider to be an advantage`
`18:52.19`	`JasonNJ`	`not a disadvantage`
`18:52.21`	`Onyx4`	`mmm I deleted the .la files, but libtool still finds /usr/lib/libSDL.so grr`
`18:52.28`	`noda`	`Exchange? I hate Exchange. Just use IMAP and LDAP.`
`18:52.33`	`JasonNJ`	`but there is a lot more babysitting for Windows`
`18:52.35`	`JasonNJ`	`no question`
`18:52.50`	`schurig`	`ldap on Linux is a crap. There is no good server and no nice graphical tool.`
`18:52.52`	`JasonNJ`	`thats why their tools are that much better`
`18:52.54`	`noda`	`Okay, one thing I HATE: There's no way to get domain admins to show up in anonymous LDAP listings in Win2k. Not only that, they don't document how to set up anonymous LDAP.`
`18:53.05`	`numatrix`	`JasonNJ: which is why a lot of the people commenting on /. mentioned that a unix admin can admin a whole lot more machines than an equivalent windows admin.`
`18:53.07`	`noda`	`JasonNJ: lol, true :)`
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`18:53.34`	`JasonNJ`	`numa: personally I am not sold on Exchange for corporate email`
`18:53.48`	`JasonNJ`	`I am quite pro using sendmail based stuff`
`18:53.58`	`noda`	`Holy crap no. Especially since you can still use LDAP and IMAP, which has all the benefits and none of the pitfalls.`
`18:54.05`	`JasonNJ`	`especially the licensed enterprise sendmail`
`18:54.06`	`schurig`	`Anyway: with my automated scripts I can setup a database server (SAP DB) with Linux (Mandrake 8.2) customized to our needs totally automatic (empty harddisk to working) in less than 10 Minutes.`
`18:54.30`	`noda`	`schurig: That's not a good argument, disk cloning things can do that too.`
`18:54.37`	`JasonNJ`	`but seriously all this TCO stuff is a lot of crap`
`18:54.38`	`schurig`	`The beast does an over-the-network installation of my package selection, fully automated. I have very identical servers at our customers.`
`18:54.53`	`JasonNJ`	`if you go Linux there is a very good reason and it aint based on TCO`
`18:54.58`	`JasonNJ`	`its because you want an open solution`
`18:55.01`	`schurig`	`But it's NOT disc-cloning, I have vary different hard disks on those boxes.`
`18:55.12`	`noda`	`And even if not - TCO simply can't be accurately predicted.`
`18:55.16`	`JasonNJ`	`there are going to be labor costs`
`18:55.23`	`noda`	`These reports are all bullshit - especially ones by biased research firms.`
`18:55.31`	`schurig`	`And also always the newest updates incorporated. Linux just allows much more automation. Used wisely, this can save you bucks.`
`18:55.39`	`beattie`	`JasonNJ: thats not why people go with Linux on IBM mainframes`
`18:55.49`	`JasonNJ`	`every research firm is aligned differently`
`18:55.55`	`JasonNJ`	`beattie: well, thats a performance issue`
`18:56.03`	`JasonNJ`	`and also because the IBM style is total centralization`
`18:56.21`	`noda`	`Does anyone have experience with setting up a business with completely thin clients? :)`
`18:56.22`	`JasonNJ`	`GIGA Information Group for example is very pro linux`
`18:56.24`	`JasonNJ`	`as is gartner`
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`18:56.29`	`JasonNJ`	`IDC is pro microsoft`
`18:56.35`	`noda`	`Yeah, IDC is funded in part by MS isn't it?`
`18:56.41`	`numatrix`	`JasonNJ: I was wondering about that too.`
`18:58.50`	`noda`	`Ah well, I must feed myself.`
`18:59.59`	`ljp_work`	`hey, I have a Sharp vacuum and a sharp zaurus, can I get them to see each other? ;)`
`19:00.03`	`chouimat`	`noda: a huge hydroquebec bill :)`
`19:00.20`	`beattie`	`various stuff, includeing a refutation of the windows TCO advantage, http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/28226.html`
`19:00.53`	`schurig`	`anyway: I'm going home ... byby`
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`19:01.19`	`beattie`	`ljp_work: the Zauris will see the vacumn if you have the camera`
`19:02.24`	`ljp_work`	`I want to program the vacuum with the zaurus so I can vacuum the house via network`
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`19:02.47`	`ljp_work`	`and chase the cat when I'm not there`
`19:03.14`	`aman`	`hi`
`19:03.19`	`chouimat`	`ljp_work: I use the flypaper trick and now my cat do the cleaning`
`19:03.29`	`aman`	`ok`
`19:03.36`	`chouimat`	`hi aman`
`19:03.43`	`aman`	`sup`
`19:03.46`	`aman`	`whats new`
`19:04.00`	`chouimat`	`12 feet of snow`
`19:05.27`	`Dilb`	`lo`
`19:07.03`	`ljp_work`	`time to grab the skiis, eh?`
`19:07.23`	`chouimat`	`ljp_work: yup, but I don't have skiis`
`19:07.57`	`ljp_work`	`I have some extras you can use`
`19:08.11`	`ciao_linux`	`chouimat: use the zaurus for that... it is flat enough`
`19:08.18`	`chouimat`	`ljp_work: nmo thanks`
`19:08.21`	`chouimat`	`ciao_linux: :P`
`19:08.23`	`ljp_work`	`not long enough`
`19:08.46`	`aman`	`I like openzaurus`
`19:09.09`	`aman`	`it is my favorite sourceforge project`
`19:09.19`	`ciao_linux`	`:-)`
`19:09.26`	`ciao_linux`	`aman: so are you a project admin now?`
`19:10.00`	`aman`	`ciao_linux no clue`
`19:10.06`	`chouimat`	`waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I want to be admin waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!`
`19:10.14`	`chouimat`	`:}`
`19:10.23`	`ciao_linux`	`you too? shit there will be more admin than users then! :-)`
`19:10.41`	`chouimat`	`ciao_linux: :P`
`19:10.58`	`ljp_work`	`you got booted off admin'ing the zaurus?`
`19:11.09`	`ciao_linux`	`chouimat: did you write the new minix?`
`19:11.18`	`chouimat`	`ciao_linux: not yet`
`19:11.26`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`19:11.27`	`ciao_linux`	`chouimat: no admin then! :-)`
`19:11.29`	`kergoth`	`DB Error: connect failed`
`19:11.34`	`kergoth`	`cant login to openzaurus.org`
`19:11.35`	`kergoth`	`fun`
`19:11.38`	`chouimat`	`ciao_linux: working on it`
`19:11.38`	`Onyx4`	`chouimat: I tought that removing sync from ext2 mounts solved the speed problem?`
`19:11.56`	`chouimat`	`Onyx4: and?`
`19:12.03`	`ciao_linux`	`chouimat: how about reiserfs?`
`19:12.13`	`Onyx4`	`well I just want to make sure that is true that this was the problem?`
`19:12.24`	`kergoth`	`grr!`
`19:12.29`	`kergoth`	`okay i've tried a different libc`
`19:12.35`	`kergoth`	`i've flashed a stock known working kernel`
`19:12.43`	`kergoth`	`still start-stop-daemon: failed to fork: Success`
`19:12.53`	`ljp_work`	`heh`
`19:13.11`	`ciao_linux`	`is it true that the sandisk 128 sucks?`
`19:13.12`	`ljp_work`	`the failed success`
`19:13.21`	`Onyx4`	`ciao_linux: the SD cards yes`
`19:13.28`	`Onyx4`	`CF are ok`
`19:13.48`	`ciao_linux`	`Onyx4: whas is a good sd/mmc card then?`
`19:14.01`	`Onyx4`	`ciao_linux: simpletech is pretty good imho`
`19:14.48`	`ciao_linux`	`Onyx4: what is wrong about the sandisk sd?`
`19:15.01`	`Onyx4`	`they have problem running ext2 from what I heard`
`19:15.13`	`Onyx4`	`especially when repartitionning them`
`19:15.49`	`ciao_linux`	`no wonder the price was so good`
`19:17.13`	`chouimat`	`ciao_linux: it's the controller used in snadisk sd card >128mb that cause the problem`
`19:17.14`	`guised`	`ciao_linux: i have 128 Sandisk and it works fine`
`19:17.31`	`ciao_linux`	`chouimat: > or >=?`
`19:17.37`	`chouimat`	`>+`
`19:17.38`	`ciao_linux`	`guised: what fs?`
`19:17.39`	`chouimat`	`>=`
`19:17.44`	`guised`	`ciao_linux: ext2`
`19:17.51`	`ciao_linux`	`i am confused`
`19:18.17`	`guised`	`some people have gotten problems with it; others haven't`
`19:18.24`	`Onyx4`	`correct`
`19:18.30`	`Onyx4`	`maybe it depends on the firmware version`
`19:18.35`	`ciao_linux`	`i see...`
`19:18.39`	`guised`	`the data isn't conclusive, so if you want a sure bet, go with Onyx4's adivce`
`19:18.58`	`guised`	`bear in mind, that i'm not doing anything great with my sd`
`19:19.12`	`guised`	`or my Z or that matter...`
`19:19.14`	`guised`	`heh`
`19:19.23`	`ciao_linux`	`can you listen mp3 from that?`
`19:19.30`	`ljp_work`	`I bought a fuji cf and it works fine`
`19:19.50`	`guised`	`ciao_linux: yeah... i store .avi's on my sd`
`19:19.57`	`guised`	`along with all my programs`
`19:20.01`	`ciao_linux`	`guised: fast enough?`
`19:20.21`	`guised`	`yeah`
`19:20.34`	`chouimat`	`Onyx4: ok the problem is sync`
`19:20.39`	`ciao_linux`	`ok`
`19:20.43`	`Onyx4`	`I see`
`19:20.48`	`ciao_linux`	`chouimat: meaning?`
`19:20.49`	`guised`	`how much are they going for?`
`19:20.58`	`ciao_linux`	`49 i think`
`19:21.00`	`chouimat`	`ciao_linux: edit fstab on the z`
`19:21.07`	`beattie`	`kergoth: is there a list of tools and their versions required to do a buildroot`
`19:21.16`	`ciao_linux`	`chouimat: yes i know. but what is the real problem?`
`19:21.18`	`Onyx4`	`sync is good for jffs2 btw, but not ext2 filesystems`
`19:21.21`	`ciao_linux`	`chouimat: slow?`
`19:21.36`	`chouimat`	`ciao_linux: 26 sec`
`19:21.38`	`ciao_linux`	`anyway what does sync mean in this case?`
`19:21.42`	`ciao_linux`	`chouimat: access time?`
`19:21.45`	`kergoth`	`ciao_linux: means writes are synchronous`
`19:21.53`	`kergoth`	`ciao_linux: the app waits until the files are completely written to the media`
`19:21.59`	`chouimat`	`scp 13MB via usb`
`19:22.03`	`kergoth`	`ciao_linux: rather than being released to do its thing after dumping the data into a cache`
`19:22.18`	`kergoth`	`ciao_linux: bypasses the cache, so your data is safe, you can remove the card without unmounting and wont lose data`
`19:22.20`	`ciao_linux`	`i c`
`19:22.28`	`kergoth`	`ciao_linux: so you gain security, but lose responsiveness`
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`19:23.15`	`ciao_linux`	`kergoth: how bad is it to unplug a cf card when the Z is on and plug it again before switching it on?`
`19:23.24`	`kergoth`	`..`
`19:23.33`	`kergoth`	`unplug when the z is on and plug it again before switching it on?`
`19:23.40`	`kergoth`	`s/when the z is on/when the z is off/?`
`19:23.46`	`ciao_linux`	`sorry s/on/off`
`19:23.48`	`ciao_linux`	`yes`
`19:24.01`	`schurig\|work`	`is the bk user "clambert" also on this IRC?`
`19:24.06`	`guised`	`kergoth: do you still need volunteers`
`19:24.11`	`Onyx4`	`schurig\|work: that's me`
`19:24.23`	`guised`	`ibot bk`
`19:24.24`		`methinks bk is see bitkeeper or under a really crappy license`
`19:24.24`	`schurig\|work`	`Onyx4: is qte-sdl really libSDL-qte ?`
`19:24.46`	`Onyx4`	`schurig\|work: it's libsdl1.2qte yes`
`19:24.56`	`Onyx4`	`that's how it should be named`
`19:25.02`	`Onyx4`	`we decided that last night with kergoth`
`19:25.21`	`Onyx4`	`we named it qte-sdl at beginning just as a test to see if it would work at all`
`19:25.32`	`schurig\|work`	`Onyx: I tried to keep versionnames out of the text strings that appear in "make xconfig" ... only a few exceptions, e.g. when it comes to two choices for glibc`
`19:25.39`	`gorts`	`dang. The big whammo from upgrading to unstable: wireless won't work. is 'testing' feed safe at the moment?`
`19:26.17`	`guised`	`i wish there was some way to collect data about which rom people use`
`19:26.18`	`schurig\|work`	`Onyx4: However, that's only on display. No problem with naming the ipk-file the debian way`
`19:26.28`	`Onyx4`	`schurig\|work: oh ok... well the 1.2 part on debian is part of the package name not version, but I guess it's fine if you want want to say libSDL for QTE or something like that`
`19:26.51`	`Onyx4`	`you can go ahead and change it`
`19:27.02`	`Onyx4`	`the same I think will apply for libsdl-mixer and libsdl-net maybe`
`19:27.07`	`schurig\|work`	`Tomorrow. At home I only have anonymous BK access :-)`
`19:27.33`	`Onyx4`	`ok`
`19:27.42`	`Onyx4`	`well I'll change it now then myself`
`19:27.44`	`schurig\|work`	`Ahh, my nickname is wrong`
`19:29.40`	`Onyx4`	`ok changes are made, pushing in a sec`
`19:29.51`	`Onyx4`	`the qte-sdl/config.in was already correct, just the new one that had to be changed`
`19:29.53`	`Onyx4`	`mixer/net`
`19:30.40`	`chouimat`	`is someone push something?`
`19:30.46`	`Onyx4`	`yes`
`19:30.46`	`schurig\|home`	`Onyx4: maybe I do a "bk mvdir qte-sdl libsql-qte" with the assorted changes to packages/{Makefile,config.in} to keep things consistent`
`19:30.46`	`Onyx4`	`done`
`19:31.20`	`Onyx4`	`schurig\|home: and also change QTE-SDL config item for LIBSDL-QTE maybe?`
`19:31.35`	`schurig\|home`	`Yes, if that is ok with you.`
`19:31.40`	`Onyx4`	`ok go ahead`
`19:32.06`	`Onyx4`	`I wanted at least to get the package name right`
`19:32.22`	`Onyx4`	`there is "tremor" also that has this problem, since it's libvorbisidec, but we don't know what debian will use for it's name`
`19:32.27`	`Onyx4`	`so the project name is tremor`
`19:32.36`	`Onyx4`	`we could leave it like that for now`
`19:32.42`	`kergoth`	`AH HA!`
`19:32.46`	`Onyx4`	`you'll have to edit the mplayer config.in file too for qte-sdl and such`
`19:32.53`	`Onyx4`	`kergoth: found it?? :)`
`19:33.09`	`ljp_work`	`bash`
`19:33.10`	`kergoth`	`the september snapshot works perfectly. at least, syslog starts again`
`19:33.12`	`mrz80`	`sounds like a solution :-)`
`19:33.18`	`schurig\|home`	`Onyx4: rgrep is my friend :-)`
`19:37.39`	`schurig\|home`	`kergoth: the cross-gcc-3.2 is not yet in the build-system, isn't it?`
`19:37.55`	`Onyx4`	`yes it is`
`19:38.36`	`schurig\|home`	`Hmm, packages/gcc-3.2/ does not have a config.in ...`
`19:38.40`	`kergoth`	`the 3.2 toolchain build does work`
`19:38.52`	`kergoth`	`err`
`19:39.15`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`19:39.16`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`19:39.17`	`Onyx4`	`mmm where did it go :)`
`19:40.09`	`kergoth`	`schurig\|home: evil hack`
`19:40.16`	`kergoth`	`schurig\|home: look in ./config.in in the root of the buildroot :)`
`19:48.22`	`MSpin`	`now to tackle qte`
`19:48.24`	`MSpin`	`yay!`
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`19:48.55`	`MSpin`	`kergoth: did you know that passing a devfs kernel root=/dev/mtdblock/2 doesn't work?`
`19:49.33`	`kergoth`	`MSpin: did not know that.`
`19:49.42`	`kergoth`	`MSpin: what happens?`
`19:50.14`	`MSpin`	`it basically ends up using /dev/mtdblock/0`
`19:50.40`	`MSpin`	`and jffs2 proceeds to erase all of the first flash partition`
`19:50.40`	`kergoth`	`thats pretty odd. i'd pester david woodhouse :)`
`19:50.56`	`MSpin`	`who's he?`
`19:51.14`	`kergoth`	`he's the guy who wrote and maintains jffs2.`
`19:51.26`	`MSpin`	`ahh, this isn't a jffs2 problem, actually`
`19:51.32`	`kergoth`	`and i think he maintains the mtd stuff as well`
`19:51.33`	`MSpin`	`its in init/do_mounts.c`
`19:51.43`	`kergoth`	`i know, but he may have heard of this already :)`
`19:51.48`	`MSpin`	`ahh ok`
`19:51.48`	`kergoth`	`and he frequents #opie`
`19:51.52`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`19:52.00`	`kergoth`	`'dwmw2' is the nick`
`19:52.01`	`MSpin`	`the solution is to use /dev/mtdblock2`
`19:52.07`	`MSpin`	`even if you use devfs`
`19:52.24`	`MSpin`	`it seems that the kernel only checks a small list of device names, and doesn't ask devfs`
`19:52.28`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`19:52.33`	`kergoth`	`thats unfortunate`
`19:52.41`	`MSpin`	`yeah`
`19:53.00`	`MSpin`	`it was finally a guy at ADS that figured it out`
`19:53.27`	`MSpin`	`it finally hit him that the kernel was being over writted in flash`
`19:57.09`	`schurig\|home`	`MSpin: despite of devfs, you have to pass root=/dev/mtdblock2`
`19:57.56`	`schurig\|home`	`MSpin: this is because the kernel at this time does not read it's own devfs, the parsing is for the root partition is ascii-characters-string parsing ...`
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`19:58.24`	`MSpin`	`schurig\|home: yeah...annoying...but it works now:)`
`19:59.02`	`schurig\|home`	`... and with NFS-root most of the time`
`19:59.07`	`MSpin`	`hehehe cool`
`19:59.16`	`MSpin`	`I'm running this board without devfsd`
`20:03.41`	`schurig\|home`	`MSpin: when you have to change some stuff, e.g. in Qt/E some occurences of /dev/tty0 to /dev/vc/0 and so... not very hard to do`
`20:04.15`	`MSpin`	`are you the ramses guy?`
`20:04.22`	`schurig\|home`	`yea`
`20:04.33`	`MSpin`	`cool, I was just looking at the ramses qte patch`
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`20:05.03`	`schurig\|home`	`MSpin: it's not finished. I have to write a kernel keyboard driver that is raw-mode capable. Then I can finish the patch.`
`20:05.26`	`MSpin`	`cool`
`20:05.28`	`schurig\|home`	`But the input-layer driven Touchscreen is nice already. Should be helpful for OZ when/if we ever move to kernel-2.5`
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`20:05.50`	`MSpin`	`luckly, I don't really have to worry about KB`
`20:05.51`	`schurig\|home`	`s/2.5/2.6/ (2.6 is much more input layer driven than 2.4)`
`20:06.13`	`MSpin`	`if I want a KB, I have a ps2 port available`
`20:06.19`	`chouimat`	`schurig\|home: huh? 2.6 is out?`
`20:06.29`	`schurig\|home`	`chouimat: no`
`20:07.09`	`schurig\|home`	`But what will become 2.6 or 3.0 will be more input layer driven. E.g. the normal AT keyboard is no longer in drivers/char, but in drivers/input/keyboard`
`20:07.14`	`MSpin`	`does the usb1200 TS driver pass stuff through the input layer?`
`20:07.19`	`schurig\|home`	`That was part of the console-drivers cleanup`
`20:07.20`	`guylhem`	`bug report for the unstable pcmcia-cs : besides the cardmgr/CF problem at resume, it will not put my Z into sleep if no CF card is on it. Don't understand why - it should do the contrary`
`20:08.05`	`schurig\|home`	`MSpin: I have an UCB1400. And in the rmkX-pxaY patch this drive can do both, depending on CONFIG_INPUT`
`20:08.25`	`MSpin`	`ok`
`20:09.26`	`schurig\|home`	`kergoth: by the way: my busybox problem vanished when I compiled busybox without securetty. Do we need securetty for OZ?`
`20:09.48`	`MSpin`	`you do now`
`20:10.02`	`MSpin`	`the file that is`
`20:10.31`	`kergoth`	`schurig\|home: i wouldnt think so. I think we have more important functionality issues to work on before concerning with small security bits`
`20:10.43`	`schurig\|home`	`MSpin: ?`
`20:11.53`	`schurig\|home`	`kergoth: I thought so. We normally don't have telnet, sshd doesn't use securetty anyway, and a serial console on a device means physical nearness and then you don't have security anyway. I was just not sure.`
`20:11.55`	`MSpin`	`schurig\|home: I got tripped up by the current CVS busybox requiring /etc/securetty`
`20:12.08`	`kergoth`	`schurig\|home: right.`
`20:12.11`	`kergoth`	`schurig\|home: feel free to push it`
`20:12.17`	`kergoth`	`MSpin: sandman already pushed the fix for the bug`
`20:12.19`	`MSpin`	`maybe a config option?`
`20:12.23`	`kergoth`	`MSpin: but we really dont -need- securetty anyway`
`20:12.35`	`MSpin`	`true`
`20:12.36`	`kergoth`	`MSpin: it was b0rked. it was supposed to be allowing logins when securetty didnt exist :)`
`20:12.52`	`schurig\|home`	`MSpin: kergoth told me to patch login.c in check_tty(), but I tried a busybox without securetty, and that worked also. Anyway, I'll commit this later.`
`20:13.12`	`MSpin`	`hrm`
`20:13.24`	`kergoth`	`heh`
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`20:22.21`	`kergoth`	`brb`
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`20:24.29`	`guylhem`	`anybody tried pcmcia-cs 3.2.2f from unstable?`
`20:24.57`	`guylhem`	`can't get the Z to go to sleep mode unless a CF has been inserted. should be the contrary`
`20:26.49`	`kergoth`	`unstable is borked`
`20:27.01`	`kergoth`	`i wouldnt trust anything in it until i can get things into a known sane state`
`20:30.15`	`guylhem`	`ok just thought I should report the bug`
`20:30.34`	`Twiun[afk]`	`living on the edge can be fun I suppose ;-)`
`20:30.39`	`kergoth`	`guylhem: i appreciate it`
`20:30.49`	`kergoth`	`guylhem: btw, current qt/e builds use all the available patches from opie cvs`
`20:32.14`	`guylhem`	`is graffiti now working? OZ3 was quite far from the palm graffiti.`
`20:32.28`	`kergoth`	`dont know, i dont use graffiti`
`20:32.30`	`kergoth`	`ask in #opie`
`20:34.36`	`guylhem`	`last q - is there a reasonnable hope to fix the CF bug at resume?`
`20:36.32`	`kergoth`	`guylhem: yep, theres hope, just havent had time to look into it`
`20:37.48`	`guylhem`	`ok thx. I hope you'll do - makes it impossible to use a CF for /opt (opie will crash)`
`20:37.57`	`kergoth`	`yes, i know`
`20:38.13`	`kergoth`	`I have a life outside openzaurus, surprisingly`
`20:38.25`	`kergoth`	`and within OZ there are higher priority issues, like unb0rking unstable`
`20:38.29`	`AndyQ`	`hehe :)`
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`20:38.42`	`AndyQ`	`and you don't get paid for OZ`
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`21:48.29`	`kergoth`	`ibot: lart me`
`21:48.44`	`bipolar`	`OT: anyone here good with iptables?`
`21:49.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hi`
`21:49.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: sup`
`21:49.11`	`kergoth`	`still sick, feel like crap`
`21:49.14`	`kergoth`	`but on the plus side`
`21:49.19`	`kergoth`	`i have an image that no longer exhibits the fork behavior`
`21:50.19`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: sandman has a test version of busybox ash with history support! like, cmdline history that survives multiple sessions.. the one thing that bugs me about ash compared to bash`
`21:50.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sweet`
`21:50.21`	`TheMasterMind1`	`how`
`21:50.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: sweeet`
`21:50.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`how did you get rid of the fork shit?`
`21:50.42`	`kergoth`	`i'm not sure`
`21:50.42`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`21:50.49`	`kergoth`	`I have an idea, let me confirm`
`21:50.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok`
`21:51.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`are we going to move to libc2.3.1 or what?`
`21:51.31`	`nobse`	`hmm... what do I need to do to get irda working on oz3?`
`21:51.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`nobse: search faq for irda`
`21:51.46`	`nobse`	`TheMasterMind1: I have.`
`21:52.16`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: rumor is there are some issues with libc 2.3.1`
`21:52.29`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: for now, i'll do testing with it, but i doubt oz3.1 will use it on the non gcc3 image`
`21:52.53`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: fyi, without qt or opie, OZ is around 4 megs`
`21:53.11`	`Twiun`	`kergoth: any idea how I can get my buildroot Makefile to use p1 or higher when using patches?`
`21:53.22`	`nobse`	`TheMasterMind1: the information on http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq.php?id=49 is wrong. I have tested it with two cellular phones (Siemens S40 and Nokia 7650), but I can't send or receive something.`
`21:53.24`	`kergoth`	`Twiun: http://path/to/patch pnum=2;`
`21:53.31`	`Twiun`	`cheers`
`21:53.32`	`kergoth`	`Twiun: take a look at the opie makefile for examples`
`21:53.56`	`Twiun`	`will do`
`21:53.57`	`kergoth`	`nobse: note: the fact that you cant get it to work doesnt imply that its not user error`
`21:54.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`nobse: really/ it worked for me..`
`21:54.35`	`nobse`	`kergoth: the question was, what do I need to do to get it work? this is not in the faq.`
`21:54.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: not bad, 4 megs...`
`21:55.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`nobse: ok, did you enable irda from the applet? does it discover your device?`
`21:55.16`	`nobse`	`TheMasterMind1: yes, the device is discovered.`
`21:55.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok, but sending and recieving won't work?`
`21:55.35`	`nobse`	`TheMasterMind1: exactly`
`21:55.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sounds like some obex problem. i don't know how to debug it..`
`21:57.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Twiun: how comes wonak`
`21:57.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`wonka`
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`22:04.01`	`kergoth`	`hmmm`
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`22:05.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: so the issue has something to do with the latest busybox and something mounting dev something something possibly /dev/null ?`
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`22:11.20`	`billytwowilly`	`heh. great topic;) "oz unstable feed updated: addit as your main feed, and run:...: UNSTABLE is severly borken -- someone..."`
`22:11.42`	`kergoth`	`lol`
`22:12.37`	`billytwowilly`	`So what am I supposed to make of that??;)`
`22:12.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`billytwowilly: heh`
`22:13.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`make whatever you want`
`22:13.23`	`billytwowilly`	`so is unstable severly broken or not?`
`22:13.27`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: so it was a busybox bug after all :)`
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`22:13.40`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: the untar of the dev tarball wasnt overwriting the zero byte 'null' file`
`22:13.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea`
`22:13.42`	`numatrix`	`yes, it's broken`
`22:13.44`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: so null ended up hosed`
`22:13.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so i read`
`22:14.02`	`kergoth`	`amusing`
`22:14.08`	`Onyx4\|work`	`TheMasterMind1: hey`
`22:14.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`rather`
`22:14.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so its actually borked?`
`22:14.14`	`Onyx4\|work`	`TheMasterMind1: you saw the changes I made last night?`
`22:14.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4\|work: hey, libsdl mixer didn't compile`
`22:14.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4\|work: yea`
`22:14.30`	`Onyx4\|work`	`TheMasterMind1: I know, we have to fix libtool & staging dir`
`22:14.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:14.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	libtool: install: invalid libtool wrapper script `playmus'
`22:14.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`make[5]: *** [install-binPROGRAMS] Error 1`
`22:14.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`alrighty`
`22:14.44`	`Onyx4\|work`	`kergoth will clean up some of that tonight`
`22:14.50`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: yes, its a busybox bug. I can work around it by preventing anything from doing >/dev/null before the tarballs get extracted`
`22:14.53`	`mickeyl`	`aaargh... i hate bitkeeper... wtf is "Will not overwrite edited packages/Makefile" supposed to mean?`
`22:15.12`	`kergoth`	`it means you edited it without having a edit lock on it`
`22:15.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: yea, but it'd be nice to have the bug fixed too. need to test if tar actually doesn't overwrite.. maybge it only doens't overwrite if its a 0byte for some reason..`
`22:15.19`	`kergoth`	`and now its trying to overwrite it with a stock version from the repos`
`22:15.22`	`kergoth`	`move it out of the way`
`22:15.24`	`kergoth`	`bk edit it`
`22:15.27`	`kergoth`	`then move it back`
`22:15.43`	`mickeyl`	`kergoth: but it contains new stuff from me, how can i merge this into?`
`22:15.44`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: told andersee i'd write a test for their test suite for it, so we'll find out`
`22:15.49`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: eH?`
`22:16.03`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: move it out of the way. bk edit Makefile. move your version back over the stock version.`
`22:16.05`	`Onyx4\|work`	`mickeyl: it's done bk edit on it, but a change in bk pull is trying to merge`
`22:16.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`mickeyl: bk edit file. mv file filenew; bk pull; bk edit file; mv filenew file`
`22:16.37`	`kergoth`	`oh its in a pull, gotcha`
`22:16.40`	`kergoth`	`misunderstood`
`22:16.43`	`kergoth`	`see what happens when i debug when sick?`
`22:16.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`22:16.48`	`kergoth`	`takes me like 3 times as long to fix it`
`22:16.50`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`22:16.53`	`Onyx4\|work`	`you should check-in your changes , then bk pull`
`22:17.15`	`mickeyl`	`yeah, its in a pull... its really crazy, i mean i finally am really good at working with cvs, but this bitkeeper thing is making me feel like a stupid newbie :(`
`22:17.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you can't checkin without pulling afaik`
`22:17.36`	`kergoth`	`yeah you can`
`22:17.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`mickeyl: heh, you'll get it eventually`
`22:17.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok, then you can't push without pulling`
`22:17.59`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: always remember that your local dir is a repository in and of itself, and that 'ci' and 'commit' are independent, and you shoudl be fine`
`22:18.08`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: theres only a couple key concepts to keep in mind, and then it all falls into place`
`22:18.35`	`kergoth`	`oh, btw guys`
`22:18.42`	`kergoth`	`I just booted my Z using ramses-base`
`22:19.00`	`kergoth`	`so we'll be replacing oz-base with a new oz-base based on ramses-base, which adapts how it does things based on the configuration system`
`22:19.08`	`kergoth`	`thanks to schurig for that stuff`
`22:19.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sweet`
`22:19.10`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`22:19.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm, seems like xmms-e`
`22:19.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`need to add it to the feeds`
`22:19.37`	`kergoth`	`course nothing will look different for the user, but it'll make it so we can have a single oz-base item in the buildroot that works for builds for numerous devices`
`22:21.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i want a working zaurus again`
`22:21.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`mine's totally dead`
`22:21.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`opie bus errors. ssh won't start. can't login to console`
`22:21.26`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`22:21.42`	`ljp_work`	`flash the sharp rom`
`22:21.49`	`kergoth`	`ibot: lart ljp_work`
`22:21.51`	`ljp_work`	`heh :D`
`22:21.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ljp_work: heh`
`22:21.59`	`Onyx4\|work`	`TheMasterMind1: once you reflash, test the new changes for mplayer and packages, etc`
`22:22.04`	`kergoth`	`bfg9000. man, i need to reinstall prboom`
`22:22.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4\|work: yea, will do`
`22:22.14`	`kergoth`	`oh shit, we need prboom in the buildroot. i want to play it on my gcc3 image`
`22:22.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: wait for Onyx4's sdl packages`
`22:22.18`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`22:22.21`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: yeah`
`22:22.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`prboom would be nice too`
`22:22.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`22:22.29`	`Onyx4\|work`	`the only one having problems is sdl-mixer right now`
`22:22.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: so fixup this forking stuff so i can build an image and use my Z again :)`
`22:22.44`	`Onyx4\|work`	`I'd run the gcc3.2 if it wasn't for the eon games`
`22:22.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i want to try a fresh build see how stuff is working.. need to test opera/hancom again`
`22:23.51`	`mickeyl`	`wow, i finally managed to checkin stuff... but huh? what means this bitkeeper "OpenLoggin" window ?`
`22:24.13`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: sends your ChangeLogs to their openlogging server`
`22:24.18`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: just hit yes`
`22:24.29`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4\|work: me too, but theres a chance we can convince him to build packages for ti :)`
`22:24.34`	`mickeyl`	`kergoth: ok`
`22:24.43`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: all you have to do is revert busybox back to the september snapshot we used to use`
`22:24.58`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: that user that tried it and said it didnt work was full of shit`
`22:25.26`	`ljp_work`	`bored`
`22:25.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: heh`
`22:25.39`	`ljp_work`	`I'm ignoring /dev/dsp1`
`22:25.39`	`kergoth`	`sick`
`22:25.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: the new busybox is nice though`
`22:25.44`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: i know`
`22:25.47`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: you can work around it`
`22:25.49`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: edit extractfs`
`22:25.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`22:25.57`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: down on the bottom, when it runs swapon`
`22:25.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i'll just wait until youfix it`
`22:26.02`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: remove >/dev/null from that line`
`22:26.06`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: then it wont create the empty null file`
`22:26.17`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: and the fact that tar doesnt overwrite wont kill us`
`22:26.19`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`22:27.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`tar not overwriting is kinda bad for ipkg and stuff..`
`22:28.43`	`ljp_work`	`ok, I want OZ shaped up by 18:00 or else!`
`22:30.37`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: yep`
`22:32.30`	`ljp_work`	`"I'm gonna rock down to.. electric avenue"`
`22:36.25`	`ljp_work`	`fine..`
`22:36.34`	`ljp_work`	`bbl`
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`22:38.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: you testing busybox tar now?`
`22:39.23`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: finishing the ramses-base-oz-base merge`
`22:39.29`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: backrev'd busybox in bk for now`
`22:39.35`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: then doing the testing and debugging of busybox tar`
`22:42.25`	`kergoth`	`woo`
`22:42.33`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: you see that/ sandman put the ash history stuff in cvs :)`
`22:47.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: yep`
`22:48.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4\|work: around?`
`22:48.26`	`Onyx4\|work`	`yes`
`22:48.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4\|work: add your changes to the changes thing on the website..`
`22:48.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`do you have an account on there?`
`22:48.55`	`Onyx4\|work`	`eh maybe let me check`
`22:49.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`nope you don't`
`22:49.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lemme add one`
`22:49.25`	`kergoth`	`good call there, we need to make sure we update that`
`22:49.36`	`kergoth`	`otherwise we'll be having trouble trying to remember what we did, like the 3.0 release`
`22:50.00`	`mickeyl`	`ibot oz bk`
`22:50.01`		`hmm... oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk`
`22:50.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4\|work: email address?`
`22:50.29`	`Onyx4\|work`	`clambert@iname.com`
`22:53.16`	`Onyx4\|work`	`mplayer is now built from cvs head and uses tremor/libmad/libogg/libvorbis/libavcodec and works great!`
`22:53.20`	`Onyx4\|work`	`this is already in changelog`
`22:53.22`	`Onyx4\|work`	`what do I need to add?`
`22:53.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4\|work: sdl stuff, um.. anything else you fixed/changed`
`22:53.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`tcpdump? libpcap`
`22:53.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`naming`
`22:53.54`	`Onyx4\|work`	`sdl-mixer and sdl-net aren't really tested at all yet, guess I better wait a bit :)`
`22:53.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`whatever you want :)`
`22:53.58`	`Onyx4\|work`	`oh yes that`
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`23:00.07`	`DrakePT`	`howdy`
`23:08.00`	`lsmith`	`so any news on our current slew of issues?`
`23:08.12`	`lsmith`	`btw: i noticed some oddities with ipkg`
`23:08.27`	`lsmith`	`one thing: if a package cant be installed because the file is not available`
`23:08.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea, i hate ipkg too`
`23:08.44`	`lsmith`	`then ipkg write to the status file something like "not installed"`
`23:08.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its total shit`
`23:09.14`	`kergoth`	`lsmith: thats a problem?`
`23:09.14`	`lsmith`	`and if you use force-reinstall`
`23:09.19`	`lsmith`	`you end up with something like:`
`23:09.19`	`lsmith`	`Package: php`
`23:09.20`	`lsmith`	`Version: 4.2.3`
`23:09.20`	`lsmith`	`Depends: libc6, zlib1g`
`23:09.20`	`lsmith`	`Status: deinstall ok installed`
`23:09.31`	`kergoth`	`..`
`23:09.35`	`kergoth`	`this is a problem?`
`23:09.36`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`23:09.42`	`lsmith`	`looks funny :;-)`
`23:09.50`	`lsmith`	`and in the above case i mentioned`
`23:09.54`	`lsmith`	`i had apmd installed`
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`23:10.27`	`lsmith`	`and everytime i tried to upgrade apmd (which was missing from the feed at the time) it added another entry to the status file`
`23:10.39`	`lsmith`	`saying that apmd of that version was not installed`
`23:10.44`	`lsmith`	`not a biggy`
`23:10.48`	`lsmith`	`just odd :-)`
`23:10.58`	`lsmith`	`other than that ipkg is getting nicer by the day :-)`
`23:11.44`	`lsmith`	`would like my multikey back though`
`23:11.57`	`lsmith`	`and being able to smbmount to my linux fileserver`
`23:12.00`	`lsmith`	`would be nice too`
`23:12.34`	`Cloudchaser`	`should be able to smbmount your file server ..that's not working?`
`23:12.35`	`lsmith`	`but i will not complain .. for i dont have time to fix any issues myself .. so i will wait patiently and report :-)`
`23:12.45`	`lsmith`	`Cloudchaser: its really odd`
`23:13.07`	`lsmith`	`after upgrading from unstable i have been unable to mount any smb shares from my linux fileserver`
`23:13.16`	`lsmith`	`however i can mount shares from my win2k laptop`
`23:13.28`	`Cloudchaser`	`you have samba running on your linux box right?`
`23:13.33`	`beattie`	`speaking of ipkg, does anybody know where the file buildroot-oz/build/ipkg/C/replace/malloc.c is supposed to come from?`
`23:13.46`	`lsmith`	`Cloudchaser: yes .. it worked before`
`23:13.58`	`Cloudchaser`	`ah very odd then`
`23:14.02`	`lsmith`	`indeed`
`23:14.15`	`lsmith`	`well i did flash in between`
`23:14.21`	`lsmith`	`so i might have just forgotten some setting`
`23:14.24`	`lsmith`	`but i dont know what`
`23:14.31`	`lsmith`	`i can ping the linux fileserver`
`23:14.36`	`lsmith`	`even do scp from it`
`23:15.34`	`lsmith`	`hmm .. maybe its related to the fact that the linux server shares are password protected ... and the win2k shares are not`
`23:15.35`	`lsmith`	`lets try`
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`23:19.46`	`lsmith`	`heh ..`
`23:20.08`	`lsmith`	`# smbmount //vandal/ogg /mnt/vandal/ogg/ -o username=vandal`
`23:20.09`	`lsmith`	`Password:`
`23:20.09`	`lsmith`	`# smbumount /mnt/vandal/ogg`
`23:20.09`	`lsmith`	`Could not open /mnt/vandal/ogg: Permission denied`
`23:20.24`	`lsmith`	`heh`
`23:20.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`interesting`
`23:21.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`are you root?`
`23:21.12`	`lsmith`	`yes`
`23:22.10`	`Cloudchaser`	`whats the whole command you use to smbmount?`
`23:22.34`	`lsmith`	`its the first line i pasted`
`23:22.49`	`lsmith`	`or what do you mean Cloudchaser?`
`23:22.50`	`Cloudchaser`	`smbmount //vandal/og /mnt/vandal/ogg -o username=vandal,password=xxxxxx`
`23:22.53`	`Cloudchaser`	`try that`
`23:22.57`	`lsmith`	`k`
`23:23.06`	`lsmith`	`well its mounted`
`23:23.13`	`lsmith`	`it shows up with a df call atleast`
`23:23.19`	`lsmith`	`but i cant access the dir anymore`
`23:23.29`	`lsmith`	`it says "permission denied"`
`23:23.54`	`lsmith`	`(that is a mount on my win2k laptop btw .. that i password protected)`
`23:24.03`	`lsmith`	`the linux fileserver is at work (i am at home atm)`
`23:24.33`	`Cloudchaser`	`and that user has an account on the win2k share?`
`23:24.40`	`Cloudchaser`	`access to that share that is?`
`23:24.50`	`lsmith`	`yes`
`23:25.04`	`lsmith`	`but if not .. should it just give me the finger?`
`23:25.21`	`lsmith`	`instead of mounting it but not letting me access it either?`
`23:25.39`	`kergoth`	`oh shit, i want to make an opie dialog that gives you the finger on error`
`23:25.41`	`kergoth`	`thatd be spiffy`
`23:25.43`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`23:26.24`	`Cloudchaser`	`dunno, but i'd check the privs on that share dir`
`23:26.26`	`lsmith`	`Cloudchaser: that worked`
`23:26.36`	`Cloudchaser`	`how i told you to try it?`
`23:26.41`	`lsmith`	`the odd thing is that i get the thing listed twice when i do a "df"`
`23:26.52`	`lsmith`	`yes .. adding ",password=xxx"`
`23:26.56`	`Cloudchaser`	`seems to work better for me with username and password`
`23:27.00`	`Cloudchaser`	`but not with just username`
`23:27.22`	`Cloudchaser`	`k so just try that same way at home then`
`23:27.28`	`lsmith`	`# smbumount /mnt/vandal/ogg/`
`23:27.28`	`lsmith`	`# df`
`23:27.28`	`lsmith`	`Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on`
`23:27.28`	`lsmith`	`/dev/mtdblock4 14464 11672 2792 81% /`
`23:27.28`	`lsmith`	`/dev/mtdblock6 23797 18 22551 0% /mnt/ram`
`23:27.29`	`lsmith`	`/dev/mmcda1 121331 27549 87518 24% /mnt/card`
`23:27.31`	`lsmith`	`/dev/hda1 245244 221188 24056 90% /mnt/cf`
`23:27.33`	`lsmith`	`//vandal/Zaurus 7752192 7030656 721536 91% /mnt/vandal/zaurus`
`23:27.35`	`lsmith`	`//vandal/ogg 7752192 7030656 721536 91% /mnt/vandal/ogg`
`23:27.39`	`lsmith`	`ups .. sorry .. that was more than i wanted to paste`
`23:28.24`	`lsmith`	`but you see that /mnt/vandal/ogg is still listed in the df eventhough i just umounted it`
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`23:28.28`	`Dessimat0r`	`lo all`
`23:28.42`	`lsmith`	`heh .. but another smbumount call got rid of it`
`23:28.48`	`lsmith`	`odd odd ..`
`23:28.52`	`lsmith`	`oh well :-/`
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`23:29.43`	`billytwowilly`	`hmm, I know this is offtopic, but anyone heard of a program to automate rpm building?`
`23:30.02`	`ibz`	`lsmith: you smbmounted the same directory twice no?`
`23:30.07`	`lsmith`	`yeah`
`23:30.08`	`ibz`	`to different directories?`
`23:30.13`	`lsmith`	`same directory`
`23:30.38`	`MSpin`	`anyone know if there's a patch for the usb1200 drive to give it either input layer or devfs support?`
`23:31.31`	`lsmith`	`anyone tried to combine the apache_with_php_405 ipk with the php_4_2_3 ipk?`
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`23:42.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lsmith: apache sucks, use nanoweb`
`23:42.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`err, apache rocks`
`23:42.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`but for a pda, use nanoweb`
`23:42.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its better suited`
`23:42.55`	`lsmith`	`well i want it to be more like the enviorment i know`
`23:43.01`	`lsmith`	`or better that my admins know`
`23:43.19`	`lsmith`	`i wanted to see if i can use it to give simple demos of my application framework`
`23:43.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you have admins that admin webservers running on zaurii?`
`23:43.34`	`lsmith`	`TheMasterMind1: of course`
`23:43.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`for your zaurus use nanoweb, i highly recommend it`
`23:44.05`	`lsmith`	`so the php from the unstable feed plug itself into nanoweb?`
`23:44.09`	`kergoth`	`mm nanoweb`
`23:44.13`	`lsmith`	`and not apache`
`23:44.16`	`kergoth`	`lsmith: nanoweb is a web server -written- in php :)`
`23:44.24`	`lsmith`	`ah`
`23:44.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yes, and it supports php`
`23:44.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`obviously`
`23:44.41`	`chouimat\|bored`	`lsmith: apache is too huge`
`23:44.41`	`lsmith`	`:-)`
`23:44.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its quite awesome and full of apache like features`
`23:45.09`	`lsmith`	`how is the configuration? .. easy to pick up for a apache admin?`
`23:45.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea should be`
`23:45.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`check it out, nanoweb.si.cx or something`
`23:45.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`http://nanoweb.si.kz/`
`23:45.55`	`*** join/#openzaurus linfelw (~linfel@pool-141-158-1-46.phil.east.verizon.net)`
`23:46.21`	`lsmith`	`yeah thx`
`23:46.27`	`ibz`	`TheMasterMind1, kergoth: it turns out that the buildroot problems i was having, was conflicts with my .cvsrc`
`23:46.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ah`
`23:47.03`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`23:47.04`	`ibz`	`had i bothered to read the man page, i would have realised why cvs -f --version worked, cvs --version didn't`
`23:47.05`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: what were you going to ask about wonka?`
`23:47.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Twiun: nothing in particular, just how its going`
`23:47.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh, another case of rtfm`
`23:47.57`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: it's going well, the buildroot one's b0rken though... I'm having problems with a patch patching the wrong bits of the file`
`23:48.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Twiun: ah, but outside the buildroot its compiling ok?`
`23:48.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`that's pretty awesome`
`23:48.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`good work`
`23:48.37`	`Twiun`	`thanks ;-) it's not over... qtawt is far from complete though`
`23:48.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`:)`
`23:48.43`	`Twiun`	`but ti's getting there`
`23:48.48`	`Twiun`	`s/ti/it/`
`23:49.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`progress is good`
`23:49.33`	`Twiun`	`definately - especially since I now have qt usable from java`
`23:50.13`	`lsmith`	`what about "boa" .. anyone tried that one?`
`23:50.30`	`kergoth`	`boa is a nice small web server, doesnt support php i dont think, unless you want to use php via cgi`
`23:50.44`	`lsmith`	`ah`
`23:50.52`	`lsmith`	`ok .. not for me then`
`23:58.59`	`ciao_linux`	kergoth`bbl: do you know if pavelm put the patch of usbnet somewhere on the net?
`23:59.13`	kergoth`bbl	`ciao_linux: not sure. chouimat\|bored may know. i'm out`
`23:59.46`	`ciao_linux`	`is it possible to put it on openzaurus.org?`

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