irclog2html for #openzaurus on 20021206

`00:06.00`	`*** join/#openzaurus beattie_ (~beattie@12-225-251-168.client.attbi.com)`
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`00:25.20`	`Onyx4\|work`	kergoth`tv: please fix the headers install for gcc 3.2 toolchain :)
`00:26.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol`
`00:26.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	`keep bitching at him he'll do it`
`00:26.34`	`mrz80-dinner`	`c'mon now, leave him alone. He's tryin' to watch TV :-)`
`00:26.40`	`Onyx4\|work`	`the makefile for the toolchain is so complex, I don't know what goes where`
`00:26.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea, really`
`00:26.59`	`Onyx4\|work`	`there are a couple of includes directory in that directory, dunno what goes where either`
`00:26.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`argh, why won't my ram mount`
`00:27.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i don't get it`
`00:27.05`	`Onyx4\|work`	`in that toolchain I mean`
`00:27.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`maybe this kernel image is screwed`
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`00:30.07`	kergoth`tv	`Onyx4\|work: making that toolchain build work was a bitch to put it mildly :)`
`00:30.16`	kergoth`tv	`Onyx4\|work: and it took 8 full toolchain builds to come up with a working one`
`00:30.40`	`Onyx4\|work`	`oh I see...`
`00:30.53`	`Onyx4\|work`	`well the problem is I don't have that new libc on debian testing`
`00:30.58`	kergoth`tv	`yeah i know`
`00:31.00`	`Onyx4\|work`	`and nor does redhat/mandrake users`
`00:31.13`	kergoth`tv	`doesnt redhat 8 include glibc 2.3.x yet?`
`00:31.19`	`Onyx4\|work`	`the new one yeah`
`00:31.25`	`Onyx4\|work`	`but not 7.3 or redhat 8.2`
`00:31.32`	`Onyx4\|work`	`I mean mandrake 8.2`
`00:31.33`	kergoth`tv	`yep`
`00:31.35`	kergoth`tv	`i know`
`00:32.15`	`Onyx4\|work`	`I think it was almost working, it's just when it got to building the real gcc, it was missing the includes that weren't copied during the libc install I guess`
`00:32.28`	kergoth`tv	`right`
`00:32.40`	kergoth`tv	`i havent attempted to build a toolchain in some time`
`00:32.40`	kergoth`tv	`heh`
`00:32.52`	kergoth`tv	`since i got it working i havent tried, i nfact :)`
`00:33.45`	`Onyx4\|work`	`TheMasterMind1: won't work accross firewall, email my way`
`00:33.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok`
`00:35.00`	kergoth`tv	`okay qt/e finished recompiling`
`00:35.03`	kergoth`tv	`flashing and testing prelink again`
`00:35.04`	kergoth`tv	`wish me luck`
`00:35.05`	kergoth`tv	`:)`
`00:37.37`	`ljp`	`luck`
`00:37.51`	`ljp`	`for what?`
`00:37.55`	`mrz80-dinner`	`kcul <--- get ya coming and going`
`00:38.47`	`ljp`	`I am determined to write some code tonight, damn it!`
`00:39.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`determined to say you're going to write code while acting lazy and not writing any at all you mean?`
`00:39.27`	`ljp`	`nonono`
`00:39.46`	`ljp`	`I promise I will do at least 1 line of new code!`
`00:40.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`printf("i don't feel like %s", "coding\n");`
`00:40.55`	`ljp`	`haha`
`00:41.04`	`*** join/#openzaurus josejavier (jose@213-98-115-8.uc.nombres.ttd.es)`
`00:41.13`	`SillyZ`	`heya jose`
`00:41.19`	`josejavier`	`hey`
`00:41.36`	`SillyZ`	`jose, its called familiar`
`00:41.46`	`SillyZ`	`thats the linux distro for ipaq, I thought the oz project would run on it`
`00:42.00`	`ljp`	`opie does`
`00:42.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`opie was originially made for ipaqs iirc`
`00:42.15`	`josejavier`	`i have a ipaq 3800`
`00:42.17`	`ljp`	`thats what you really want for ipaqs`
`00:42.35`	`TheMasterMind1`	`josejavier: go to www.handhelds.org`
`00:42.57`	`SillyZ`	`jose is a fellow op from #mandrake`
`00:43.37`	`josejavier`	`TheMasterMind1: i have read some info, about 'familiar', just wanted to have more options`
`00:44.23`	`Onyx4\|work`	`TheMasterMind1: did you try if mplayer was still working correctly after all my changes on a fresh image?`
`00:44.31`	`Onyx4\|work`	`when is xmms-e gonna be in the feed?`
`00:44.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4\|work: what changes?`
`00:44.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oh those changes`
`00:45.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`haven't tried`
`00:46.13`	`Onyx4\|work`	`ok, going home, later`
`00:46.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`later`
`00:46.52`	`Onyx4\|work`	`shoot I forgot that I won't be able to run opera with gcc 3.2`
`00:46.59`	`Onyx4\|work`	`darn I'll just stick with regular gcc`
`00:47.08`	`Onyx4\|work`	`that plus the eon games... grr`
`00:47.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
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`00:57.07`	kergoth`tv	`josejavier: making OZ work on an ipaq would be quite easy, but no one has bothered as of yet`
`00:58.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`tv: send me your zImage
`01:00.27`	`josejavier`	`ok, i will first try something well documented, then will investigate the oz 'option'`
`01:00.44`	`TheMasterMind1`	`there's no reason to use oz on the ipaq`
`01:01.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`OH!`
`01:01.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`tv: !!
`01:02.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i bet i know why i can't mount ram`
`01:02.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`tv: when you build kernel do you get those two questions when it does make config?
`01:02.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`they're about ramdisk`
`01:08.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`tv: !!!!!!!!!!!1
`01:08.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Device size in kB (CONFIG_MTDRAM_TOTAL_SIZE) [4096] (NEW)`
`01:09.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`SRAM Hexadecimal Absolute position or 0 (CONFIG_MTDRAM_ABS_POS) [2000000] (NEW)`
`01:51.09`	`jurrie`	`hey, master.... I'm the guy whose Z wouldn't flash and wouldn't boot anymore. I ended up shipping it back to Sharp. I still don't understand how that happened. OZ claims not to touch the bootloader, right?`
`01:51.32`	`jurrie`	`Is there a description anywhere of the Z's boot & flash process?`
`01:54.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea, it doesn't touch the bootloader`
`01:54.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what CF card did you use`
`01:54.38`	`jurrie`	`no-name 128MB CF`
`01:54.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hm`
`01:54.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`that might have done it`
`01:54.52`	`jurrie`	`worked when writing OZ the first time`
`01:55.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`01:55.06`	`jurrie`	`when I went to flash OZ the 2nd time it fried`
`01:55.18`	`jurrie`	`is there a big diff between cards?`
`01:55.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`if you still have the card try checking the partition type with fdisk`
`01:55.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`some cards cause problems`
`01:55.35`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the card has to be fat16 and have partition type 6`
`01:55.40`	`jurrie`	`the card claims to have a Samsung controller`
`01:55.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`some aren't`
`01:55.56`	`jurrie`	`partition is FAT16`
`01:56.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`check the partition type via linux fdisk`
`01:56.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`if you can`
`01:56.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`did you try flashing sharp back after the oz flash failed?`
`01:56.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`or was that when it wouldn't turn on at all`
`01:56.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i remember that`
`01:57.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`com[plex] had a similar situation happen to him last night`
`01:57.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`he's been flashing ok for a while now and all of sudden it killed his Z`
`01:58.20`	`jurrie`	`yup, tried flashing 2.38, no luck there either`
`01:58.31`	`jurrie`	`after the problem hit I also tried using a Sandisk CF`
`01:58.44`	`TheMasterMind1`	`that's really weird`
`01:58.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`did you happen to try booting into diagnostic mode?`
`01:59.05`	`jurrie`	`'course when I get my Z back, I'll put OZ on again`
`01:59.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heheh`
`01:59.25`	`jurrie`	`though I'll probably acquire Sharp's extended warranty... $40 for another year`
`02:00.00`	`Cloudchaser`	`they have an extended warranty?`
`02:00.23`	`jurrie`	`yup... go to myzaurus.com com and click on Warranty`
`02:00.30`	`Cloudchaser`	`ok thanks ;)`
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`02:04.06`	`Com[Plex]`	`hey jurrie: tmm says you smoked your z too?`
`02:06.30`	`Com[Plex]`	`well I killed mine too.`
`02:06.53`	`Com[Plex]`	`and now Im trying to find out the ping schematic on the jta port for the back of the z.`
`02:07.07`	`Com[Plex]`	`I will do just abotu anything to get this back up and running.`
`02:09.31`	`ljp`	`hmm`
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`02:18.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hi`
`02:19.01`	`sjohnson`	`TheMasterMind1: hey. Just stopped by for hee topic. Tying to upgrade to oz3-unstable`
`02:19.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sjohnson: heh`
`02:24.16`	`pheph`	`so is it possible to fry your zaurus?`
`02:24.20`	`pheph`	`permanently?`
`02:24.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`anything is possible`
`02:24.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`pheph: yea, but you can send it back to sharp and get it fixed`
`02:24.57`	`ljp`	`its also possible that pigs can fly`
`02:26.18`	`ljp`	`yaaa!! that worked! woot!`
`02:28.30`	`ljp`	`if you guys configure xine cvs for op2, use --without-x heh`
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`02:50.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot oz`
`02:50.29`		`Money makes the world go round`
`02:55.08`	`ljp`	`hmm`
`02:58.58`	kergoth`tv	`hm`
`02:59.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`tv: finally!
`02:59.19`	kergoth`tv	`thats a pretty odd way for ibot to respond to oz, considering we dont get paid`
`02:59.22`	kergoth`tv	`fucker`
`02:59.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`tv: ibot is saying that for everything
`02:59.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`tv: heh
`02:59.41`	kergoth`tv	`ibot: kergoth`
`02:59.41`		`Money makes the world go round`
`02:59.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`tv: yea yea yea, tell me why my kernel build don't work
`02:59.44`	kergoth`tv	`weird`
`02:59.52`	kergoth`tv	`geh give me the errors`
`02:59.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`tv: when i make my kernel, it asks me two things
`02:59.59`	kergoth`tv	`i was going to be done with OZ work for tonight`
`03:00.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Device size in kB (CONFIG_MTDRAM_TOTAL_SIZE) [4096] (NEW)`
`03:00.07`	kergoth`tv	`and i will be, right after i assist`
`03:00.08`	kergoth`tv	`err`
`03:00.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`SRAM Hexadecimal Absolute position or 0 (CONFIG_MTDRAM_ABS_POS) [2000000] (NEW)`
`03:00.12`	kergoth`tv	`it shouldnt do that.`
`03:00.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`exactly`
`03:00.20`	kergoth`tv	`are you building with debug enabled or no?`
`03:00.21`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the makefile should sed that`
`03:00.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`but its not`
`03:00.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`debug is off`
`03:00.25`	kergoth`tv	`done a bk -r edit -q recently?`
`03:00.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea`
`03:00.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its always done this for me`
`03:00.41`	kergoth`tv	`i just built a 40-24 tonight.`
`03:00.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i have only 40-24 selected`
`03:00.54`	kergoth`tv	`on two different machines, one was a redhat 7.3 box`
`03:00.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea, i dunno whats up, but its always been like this`
`03:00.58`	kergoth`tv	`another is my debian unstable box`
`03:01.18`	kergoth`tv	`hmm`
`03:02.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so, how do i debug this`
`03:02.34`	kergoth`tv	`hmm`
`03:02.41`	kergoth`tv	`okay, the commands that set the variables and sed the conf file`
`03:02.46`	kergoth`tv	`add a set -x; \`
`03:02.51`	kergoth`tv	`then it'll echo the commands as it runs them`
`03:03.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`before that if thing?`
`03:04.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`aha!`
`03:04.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`/bin/sh: line 1: bc: command not found`
`03:04.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`03:04.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`please add a thing to check if bc exists`
`03:05.01`	kergoth`tv	`bingo`
`03:05.02`	kergoth`tv	`k`
`03:05.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm i'm hoping i didn't fuck up and overwrite some important part of the flash or something when i zeroed that misaligned mtd6`
`03:06.14`	kergoth`tv	`TheMasterMind1: if you're worried, flash a sharp ospack`
`03:06.19`	kergoth`tv	`remember that contains the important shit`
`03:06.23`	kergoth`tv	`i've been in situations with my Z`
`03:06.30`	kergoth`tv	`where i -had- to reflash a full ospack to get things in order`
`03:06.32`	kergoth`tv	`this one time`
`03:06.34`	kergoth`tv	`when fucking with 2.5`
`03:06.39`	kergoth`tv	`my buzzer wouldnt work anymore`
`03:06.43`	kergoth`tv	`even on a known working OZ`
`03:06.48`	kergoth`tv	`even after reflashing it`
`03:06.49`	kergoth`tv	`was fucked`
`03:06.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`03:06.54`	kergoth`tv	`came back after i reflashed sharp`
`03:06.55`	kergoth`tv	`lol`
`03:06.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`nice`
`03:07.22`	kergoth`tv	`i was worried man`
`03:07.32`	kergoth`tv	`i thought i damaged the chip when writing shit to it with an experimental driver`
`03:09.18`	`ljp`	`I wonder why sharp didnt use a module for the audio`
`03:10.28`	`ljp`	`hey alsa has dev docs`
`03:10.30`	kergoth`tv	`cant you build it as a module?`
`03:10.30`	kergoth`tv	`yeah`
`03:10.34`	kergoth`tv	`alsa is spiffy`
`03:11.07`	`ljp`	`I havent looked at it for a while`
`03:11.36`	`ljp`	`I am thinking about adopting the adatpcr driver, and fumbling around with that`
`03:12.39`	`ljp`	`like I have fuckin time to do that`
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`03:13.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`tv: where's tmake ate?
`03:14.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`at rather`
`03:14.10`	kergoth`tv	`..`
`03:14.11`	kergoth`tv	`?`
`03:14.15`	kergoth`tv	`in the config system?`
`03:14.20`	kergoth`tv	`host tools i believe`
`03:14.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the binary`
`03:14.20`	`ljp`	`whats the collie config file named?`
`03:14.26`	kergoth`tv	`build/tmake-1.8/bin/tmake`
`03:14.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`do i need it installed or something`
`03:14.33`	kergoth`tv	`no..`
`03:14.37`	`ljp`	`nm`
`03:14.37`	kergoth`tv	`the buildsystem builds it`
`03:14.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok`
`03:14.44`	`TheMasterMind1`	`just need to set path then`
`03:14.50`	kergoth`tv	`yeah, in the makefile for the app in question`
`03:15.59`	`sjohnson`	kergoth`tv: I see the tinyx, et al. in unstable, but where is the other X stuff?
`03:16.12`	kergoth`tv	`sjohnson: ..`
`03:16.26`	kergoth`tv	`sjohnson: there arent many X packages built directly for OZ yet`
`03:16.32`	kergoth`tv	`sjohnson: icewm, rxvt, few others`
`03:16.39`	kergoth`tv	`sjohnson: most of the familiar packages will work fine`
`03:17.17`	`ljp`	`funny that both the vercel and zaurus use the same dsp chip, and have the same damn input problem`
`03:17.19`	`sjohnson`	kergoth`tv: They can be "ipkg installed" w/o causing problems?
`03:17.29`	kergoth`tv	`sjohnson: yep.`
`03:17.38`	kergoth`tv	`sjohnson: for the most part package compatibility is retained`
`03:17.47`	kergoth`tv	`sjohnson: there are some minor dependency differences, and versioning differences`
`03:17.53`	kergoth`tv	`but thats about it`
`03:18.02`	kergoth`tv	`shit, sandman had my libc 2.3.1 from OZ installed on his ipaq`
`03:18.03`	kergoth`tv	`hehe`
`03:18.15`	`ljp`	`you ever tried compiling the zaurus kernel with audio as module :)`
`03:18.30`	kergoth`tv	`never tried`
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`03:18.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ljp: you ever looked at the embeddix kernel sources :)`
`03:18.44`	`sjohnson`	`Cool. And FYI ipkg barfs with the familiar-unstable feed. segfaults`
`03:19.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sjohnson: for some reason ipkg can't handle more than one feed at a time`
`03:19.15`	kergoth`tv	`sjohnson: um`
`03:19.18`	kergoth`tv	`sjohnson: i wouldnt do that.`
`03:19.22`	kergoth`tv	`sjohnson: wget the packagees, dont use a feed`
`03:19.37`	`ljp`	`well, I'm looking at the sharp sources, which is just about like the embedix sources - the sd`
`03:19.38`	kergoth`tv	`sjohnson: as i said, dependencies and versions are different, you could end up with something being replaced you dont want replaced :)`
`03:20.20`	`sjohnson`	kergoth`tv: I'll probably just ipkg offline and copy stuff for now.
`03:20.21`	`ljp`	`maybe I should experiment with building an arm kernel`
`03:20.29`	kergoth`tv	`sjohnson: thats what i'd recommend`
`03:21.09`	`sjohnson`	`ljp: Build for ARM isn't much different from compiling native.`
`03:21.42`	`sjohnson`	`The kernel's got a world-class build system for native and cross-compiling`
`03:21.45`	kergoth`tv	`ljp: just grab a buildroot and enable the kernel and run make, saves you the trouble`
`03:21.49`	kergoth`tv	`indeed it does`
`03:21.50`	`ljp`	`I'd like to build with audio as module and fiddle with the audio driver`
`03:22.17`	`ljp`	`uhh.. how big is buildroot now?`
`03:22.24`	kergoth`tv	`few megs at most`
`03:22.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`couple megs?`
`03:22.29`	kergoth`tv	`it downloads everything it needs as it needs it`
`03:22.42`	kergoth`tv	`if you dont enable glibc, it wont build glibc`
`03:22.47`	kergoth`tv	`or download it`
`03:22.47`	kergoth`tv	`heeh`
`03:22.57`	`sjohnson`	`ljp: It's just like doing it native under Intel, but you can't 'make modules_install; make install'`
`03:23.10`	kergoth`tv	`you can if you pass the right variable to it`
`03:23.11`	kergoth`tv	`:)`
`03:23.23`	kergoth`tv	`then it'll install into a rootfs dir or ipkg tempdir somewhere`
`03:23.25`	kergoth`tv	`;0`
`03:23.55`	`sjohnson`	kergoth`tv: Oh yeah.
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`03:27.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4: sup`
`03:27.30`	`Onyx4`	`hey`
`03:27.31`	kergoth`tv	`hey Onyx4`
`03:33.16`	`ljp`	`ok.. dumb q - is there a page for instructions on getting the buildroot? heh`
`03:33.52`	`ljp`	`nm`
`03:35.07`	`Onyx4`	`ljp: ibot bk`
`03:35.13`	`Onyx4`	`ibot: oz bk`
`03:35.14`		`Money makes the world go round`
`03:35.28`	`Onyx4`	`ibot: oz bk`
`03:35.29`		`Money makes the world go round`
`03:35.31`	kergoth`tv	`lol`
`03:35.33`	`Onyx4`	`shit!`
`03:35.39`	kergoth`tv	`ibot is flaky tonight`
`03:35.39`		`Money makes the world go round`
`03:35.44`	kergoth`tv	`lol`
`03:35.48`	kergoth`tv	`ibot: oz bk`
`03:35.53`		`Money makes the world go round`
`03:35.59`	kergoth`tv	`ibot: money`
`03:36.00`		`Money makes the world go round`
`03:36.02`	kergoth`tv	`hmm`
`03:36.21`	kergoth`tv	`ljp: bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot; cd buildroot; bk -r edit -q; make menuconfig; make;`
`03:37.21`	`ljp`	`yaya I found it thanks`
`03:38.16`	kergoth`tv	`np`
`03:38.30`	kergoth`tv	`ljp: a lot of crap is on by default :) you probably dont want to build all of oz :)`
`03:38.40`	`ljp`	`nope. just the kernel`
`03:39.10`	`ljp`	`see if I can add some bad code to the bad code :)`
`03:39.15`	kergoth`tv	`TheMasterMind1: any ideas on how to move ipkg-link and ipkg.conf into the ipkg ipk?`
`03:39.20`	kergoth`tv	`TheMasterMind1: without breaking upgrades?`
`03:39.27`	kergoth`tv	`TheMasterMind1: cause it'll say they're already provided by blah..`
`03:39.29`	kergoth`tv	`hmm`
`03:39.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`not really`
`03:39.43`	kergoth`tv	`but thats where they belong`
`03:39.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ye`
`03:39.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`a`
`03:39.51`	kergoth`tv	`hunger's oz-base issues bug report is still open`
`03:39.54`	kergoth`tv	`after like months`
`03:39.54`	kergoth`tv	`hehe`
`03:40.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`03:40.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	`that's a good idea, go through bug reports and feature requests and fix up the quick and easy stuff atleast`
`03:40.23`	kergoth`tv	`yeah`
`03:40.25`	kergoth`tv	`exactly`
`03:40.34`	kergoth`tv	`it'll make the project look better, and it'll accomplish a lot of carp`
`03:40.36`	kergoth`tv	`crap`
`03:40.37`	kergoth`tv	`oh crap`
`03:40.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yes`
`03:40.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what`
`03:40.42`	kergoth`tv	`TheMasterMind1: we need to update changelog`
`03:40.45`	kergoth`tv	`TheMasterMind1: ifupdown, apm`
`03:40.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea, we do`
`03:40.50`	kergoth`tv	`TheMasterMind1: added prelink to the feeds`
`03:40.54`	kergoth`tv	`(even tho it doesnt work yet)`
`03:40.55`	kergoth`tv	`etc`
`03:40.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`03:41.05`	kergoth`tv	`oo`
`03:41.07`	kergoth`tv	`almost time`
`03:41.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i'll do that`
`03:41.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you fix up stuff`
`03:41.14`	kergoth`tv	`to add the "ATD IS DEAD!" changelog entry`
`03:41.15`	kergoth`tv	`:)`
`03:41.56`	kergoth`tv	`geh tux_mike let me use one of his boxes to help builds`
`03:42.03`	kergoth`tv	`it has the old ass cvs version that hangs in busybox checkout`
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`03:44.33`	`ljp`	`I assume this applies kernel patches?`
`03:44.43`	kergoth`tv	`err`
`03:44.44`	kergoth`tv	`yep`
`03:44.47`	kergoth`tv	`it applies all of them`
`03:44.49`	kergoth`tv	`what the fuck`
`03:44.52`	kergoth`tv	`textedit hangs`
`03:45.01`	kergoth`tv	`whenver i do File->Open->pick a file->OK`
`03:45.03`	kergoth`tv	`boom`
`03:45.04`	kergoth`tv	`dead`
`03:45.20`	`ljp`	`hmm`
`03:45.23`	kergoth`tv	`weird`
`03:45.30`	kergoth`tv	`this is recent cvs`
`03:46.19`	`ljp`	`hmm working here`
`03:46.43`	`*** join/#openzaurus Piete (~Piete@s210-221-28-24.thrunet.ne.kr)`
`03:46.47`	`ljp`	`you were trying to open a text file, right ? :)`
`03:46.55`	kergoth`tv	`rigt`
`03:46.57`	kergoth`tv	`right`
`03:47.00`	`ljp`	`hehe`
`03:47.01`	`Piete`	`hey *`
`03:47.20`	`ljp`	`tries`
`03:47.57`	`ljp`	`hehehe`
`03:48.01`	`ljp`	`didnt crash`
`03:48.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol`
`03:49.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i can't wait until all the opie apps and documents tab use ofileselector`
`03:49.29`	`ljp`	`ya, thats kinda behind schedule`
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`03:49.53`	`noda`	`Moo!`
`03:50.04`	`ljp`	`bang!`
`03:50.12`	`ljp`	`oh, sorry, I thought you were a deer`
`03:50.22`	`ljp`	`:D`
`03:50.28`	`Piete`	`Mooooooooooo`
`03:50.46`	`ljp`	`what up, g?`
`03:51.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`noda: sup`
`03:52.43`	`noda`	`TheMasterMind1: Bah, thinking about Girl like there's no tomorrow. At this rate it'll never come too...`
`03:52.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`03:53.27`	`noda`	`So I guess I'll code something. Gotta do all that settings box stuff.`
`03:53.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heheh`
`03:53.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i had to hack the db and give myself persmissions to stuff`
`03:53.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`couldn't figure out why it wasn't working`
`03:54.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`realized you were caching stuff in session`
`03:54.11`	`noda`	`TheMasterMind1: What did you need permissions to?`
`03:54.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`everythign :)`
`03:54.18`	`noda`	`Yeah, I cache the groups.`
`03:54.34`	`noda`	`I trust you didn't break the DB :)`
`03:54.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`course not`
`03:54.49`	`noda`	`The modules are pretty fun, eh? :)`
`03:55.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`just added a few records to admin_admin_group (wtf were you thinking when you named that?)`
`03:55.21`	`noda`	`TheMasterMind1: It's because I couldn't name the table 'group' so I named it 'admin_group'.`
`03:55.27`	`noda`	`Then to link the two tables together, well, not much choice.`
`03:55.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol`
`03:55.55`	`noda`	`It's the only thing that'd stand a chance at fitting with my naming scheme.`
`03:56.59`	`ljp`	`hmmm.. wonderful`
`03:57.31`	`ljp`	`the tc35143 needs an output streamwhile recording because thats how it sets its clock`
`03:57.39`	`*** join/#openzaurus ZDave (~DaveL@dsl-65-189-137-97.telocity.com)`
`03:57.59`	`ljp`	`somehow I believe thats related to my problem`
`03:58.32`	kergoth`tv	`found tc35143 docs? or found sanity in the code?`
`03:59.07`	`ljp`	`code`
`03:59.18`	`ljp`	`they seem to have added comments`
`03:59.33`	kergoth`tv	`comments?`
`03:59.35`	kergoth`tv	`in lineo code?`
`03:59.42`	kergoth`tv	`no fucking way ;)`
`03:59.46`	`ljp`	`yup`
`03:59.59`	`ljp`	`collie-tc35143,c`
`04:00.19`	kergoth`tv	`impressive`
`04:00.26`	kergoth`tv	`do you see how they access the tc35143af?`
`04:00.27`	`ljp`	`they even commented the buzzer sounds formats`
`04:00.32`	kergoth`tv	`they use the damn ucb1200 driver`
`04:00.35`	kergoth`tv	`hacked up`
`04:00.39`	kergoth`tv	`fucking weird`
`04:00.51`	`ljp`	`hmm. ya I'll have to dig into that`
`04:00.52`	kergoth`tv	`because they're both accessed via mcp and in the same way apparently`
`04:01.03`	kergoth`tv	`ljp: could make use of the existing ucb1x00 audio driver in newer kernels..`
`04:01.08`	kergoth`tv	`ljp: that was my plan anyway :)`
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`04:02.00`	`ljp`	`that might be tricky`
`04:02.42`	kergoth`tv	`ljp: indeed, but writing a new driver when my only tc35143af specs are in japanese is trickier`
`04:02.43`	`ljp`	`heh "version 0.01"`
`04:02.45`	kergoth`tv	`hehe`
`04:07.41`	`\|\|ugh`	`Interesting problme: I filled up the / partition (built in FLASH) and now I can't delete ANYTHING, rm and ipkg refuse to work! Fun...`
`04:10.44`	kergoth`tv	`\|\|ugh: yeah, that cant happen in current jffs2 versions, but we're on an old as dirt one...`
`04:10.44`	`Onyx4`	`yes that sucks`
`04:11.33`	`\|\|ugh`	`Humm, is the only way out to reinstall? Yuck.`
`04:11.47`	kergoth`tv	`\|\|ugh: yep, backup your data and reflash.. sorry to hear that`
`04:12.01`	`\|\|ugh`	`What could possibily be on TV worth watching... :r)`
`04:12.14`	`\|\|ugh`	`When is the ETA of 3.1?`
`04:13.24`	kergoth`tv	`couple weeks`
`04:13.31`	kergoth`tv	`3.1rc1 within a week, maybe less`
`04:13.38`	kergoth`tv	`if your'e feeling daring`
`04:13.40`	kergoth`tv	`heh`
`04:13.53`	`\|\|ugh`	`Also, I have a 256mb SD card and I would like to be able to install most of OZ there (keeping the RAM free for RAM...).`
`04:14.41`	`Onyx4`	`\|\|ugh: read the FAQ on that`
`04:14.42`	kergoth`tv	`right`
`04:14.44`	`\|\|ugh`	`I am not yet depending on the Z for much 'real' data, so helping with the rc1 should not be a problem. One thing I need is dhclient (for WAVEsec, see www.wavesec.org).`
`04:14.47`	kergoth`tv	`so flash a -64 or -32 kernel`
`04:14.58`	`Onyx4`	`flash 64 kernel and move /opt to the SD card`
`04:15.01`	`Onyx4`	`check the FAQ`
`04:15.03`	kergoth`tv	`dhclient? we can add that to oz, though it woulnt be installed by default`
`04:15.07`	`ljp`	kergoth`tv: how do I configure for a 5000d kernel?
`04:15.48`	`\|\|ugh`	`FAQing I will go. I have flashed a 48 and everything installed on the / partition... thus my current problems! Sigh. FAQing I go.`
`04:16.30`	`ljp`	`hmm somehow I feel a serial cable might make debugging the audio code easier`
`04:17.36`	`Onyx4`	`\|\|ugh: I guess you'd need freeswan as well?`
`04:18.18`	`Onyx4`	`freeswan might be a pain to get running with our current kernel`
`04:21.00`	`ljp`	`whats freeswan`
`04:21.16`	`\|\|ugh`	`Onyx4, I have had a (young) volenteer working on it, he got it working but has been distracted. I could user another person (from the free word) working on it.`
`04:21.16`	`noda`	`VPN :)`
`04:21.23`	`*** join/#openzaurus davv (~davv@new-65-28-148-213.new.rr.com)`
`04:21.23`	`\|\|ugh`	`See www.freeswan.org`
`04:21.37`	`noda`	`Onyx4: rofl, freeswan is a pain to get running on ANY kernel :P`
`04:21.41`	`\|\|ugh`	`Onyx4, is there some issue with the OZ kernel that would keep FreeS/WAN from working?`
`04:21.48`	kergoth`tv	`\|\|ugh: the freeswan folks were sent a zaurus`
`04:21.52`	kergoth`tv	`\|\|ugh: and its apparently working`
`04:21.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`amazing`
`04:22.03`	kergoth`tv	`\|\|ugh: i have an email archived at work regarding it`
`04:22.06`	`\|\|ugh`	`Kerboth, _I_ am the freeswan folks! I bought mine.`
`04:22.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`now if i could just get it working on my server and laptop..`
`04:22.11`	kergoth`tv	`hrmph`
`04:22.12`	kergoth`tv	`really?`
`04:22.23`	kergoth`tv	`i was under the wrong impression then`
`04:22.32`	kergoth`tv	`guess thats your email in my box from back when you got it going then eh?`
`04:22.33`	`noda`	`lol`
`04:22.34`	kergoth`tv	`hehe`
`04:22.54`	`\|\|ugh`	`Yep, I "mannage" the project but being a USSA Citizen/Slaveunit I can't WORK on it. Sad state our country is in now...`
`04:23.05`	kergoth`tv	`ajjj`
`04:23.08`	kergoth`tv	`ahhh`
`04:23.09`	kergoth`tv	`sorry to hear that`
`04:23.10`	`noda`	`lol, I'd hate to live there :)`
`04:23.31`	kergoth`tv	`noda: oh you're nice`
`04:23.33`	kergoth`tv	`hehe`
`04:23.33`	`Onyx4`	`well we're running a 2.4.6 kernel, but if there is a way to just build everything as modules, and still use the same generic kernel everyone use, that would be great`
`04:23.38`	`noda`	`:P`
`04:23.39`	`Onyx4`	`so if you want freeswan you just insmod it`
`04:23.46`	`\|\|ugh`	`So I have gotten an old version of FreeS/WAN working on RZ, but not OZ. I was thinking of getting it going on OZ before 3.1 so I can push for any changed that are needed (like awk, sed, dhclient etc.).`
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`04:24.01`	kergoth`tv	`Onyx4: freeswan is a module..`
`04:24.04`	`noda`	`It'd be better to statically compile as much as possible though, right? Since there's a 1mb partition dedicated to the kernel...`
`04:24.11`	kergoth`tv	`noda: right, otherwise we waste that space`
`04:24.18`	kergoth`tv	`noda: as the module will take space in our usable flash`
`04:24.18`	`Onyx4`	`yeah but doesn't it requires changes in the main kernel ?`
`04:24.23`	kergoth`tv	`Onyx4: not afaik..`
`04:24.27`	`noda`	`I mean, is there any reason NOT to compile freeswan statically, if it works and we don't have anything else to install?`
`04:24.31`	kergoth`tv	`\|\|ugh: that would be great.`
`04:24.39`	`Onyx4`	`so it oculd be a seperate ipk for modules for freeswan?`
`04:24.40`	kergoth`tv	`noda: not particularly`
`04:24.47`	`\|\|ugh`	`Noda, noone in the USSA is free to ship crypto ANYTHING (unless you want to resigter with your goverment...for speach?).`
`04:25.14`	`noda`	`Ack.`
`04:25.41`	`ljp`	`I should ask lineo for a zaurus serial cable so I can fix their driver`
`04:25.44`	`\|\|ugh`	Kergoth`tv, is there an announcemnt list for -rc1?
`04:25.46`	`noda`	`That's awful... hope that doesn't last, \|\|ugh :)`
`04:26.13`	kergoth`tv	`\|\|ugh: it'll be announced to openzaurus-users, openzaurus-devel, openzaurus-announce, zaurus-general, opie, and possibly handhelds`
`04:26.20`	kergoth`tv	`ljp: yes, you should`
`04:26.51`	`ljp`	`ha! they wont even send me an up to date keyboard for the vercel`
`04:26.59`	`\|\|ugh`	`Noda, your in the free world and not a USSA person, right? YOU can work on it! We just need someone to write Makefile targets mostly at this point.`
`04:27.01`	`noda`	`Ooh, I know what my next book I'll be reading with opie-reader is... The Cathedral and the Bazaar :)`
`04:27.22`	`noda`	`\|\|ugh: I don't know how to write makefiles beyond the most simple of simple ones :)`
`04:27.45`	kergoth`tv	`\|\|ugh: i'm the buildsystem guy around here, i may be able to assist`
`04:27.47`	`ljp`	`progen/qmake :)`
`04:27.51`	kergoth`tv	`\|\|ugh: if i can find the time anyway`
`04:27.56`	`noda`	`What do I know.... I know a fair amount of PHP, a bit of C and even less C++. A bit of Perl... enough of the GNU build system to fix what other people have coded badly. That's about it :)`
`04:28.33`	kergoth`tv	`i know assembler, c, c++, php, perl, a bit of python, shell, and of course all the autocrap and other build tools`
`04:28.43`	kergoth`tv	`but i'm mostly a hack/scripter, not much of an application designer`
`04:28.49`	kergoth`tv	`need more experience and training in that dept`
`04:28.50`	`noda`	`Hey, has anyone here read the Cathedral and the Bazaar?`
`04:29.09`	`\|\|ugh`	`Kergoth, my impression was that you were a USSA person (soon to be slave of Poindexter's idea of Rightness...). My folks can't accecpt code from USA (USSA) citizens (or folks inside it's boarders).`
`04:29.10`	`noda`	`I think I'm gonna hack at a few things some time, just to get a feel for it. I only need to find something that needs improvement.`
`04:29.18`	`noda`	`(And I can't COMPILE the damned buildroot...)`
`04:29.24`	kergoth`tv	`noda: why not?`
`04:29.27`	kergoth`tv	`:)`
`04:29.37`	`noda`	kergoth`tv: Something about malloc.c
`04:29.43`	`noda`	`I'm gonna do a fresh pull and try it now though :)`
`04:29.49`	`noda`	`ibot oz bk`
`04:29.49`		`Money makes the world go round`
`04:29.56`	kergoth`tv	`noda: thats fixed`
`04:29.59`	`noda`	`lol...`
`04:30.02`	`noda`	kergoth`tv: Oh, it is? Woo!
`04:30.08`	kergoth`tv	`noda: yep, you're on debian unstable?`
`04:30.12`	`noda`	kergoth`tv: Nope
`04:30.13`	kergoth`tv	`noda: or what distro?`
`04:30.26`	`noda`	kergoth`tv: Slack 8.0, but there's not much left that's Slack.
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`04:30.49`	kergoth`tv	`noda: gotcha. well really really new autoconf was breaking our ipkg test workarounds`
`04:30.52`	kergoth`tv	`noda: its fixed`
`04:30.59`	`\|\|ugh`	`TheMasterMind1, FYI there are RPM's of FreeS/WANs current release (1.99) up at the FTP site. Should just work.`
`04:31.04`	`noda`	kergoth`tv: Oh, awesome! :)
`04:31.14`	`noda`	`That's certainly it, I always have the newest version of autoconf :)`
`04:31.23`	kergoth`tv	`right`
`04:31.28`	kergoth`tv	`they changed the name of a test result variable`
`04:31.33`	kergoth`tv	`broke our supplied test results to override the test`
`04:31.40`	`noda`	`Ah.`
`04:31.46`	kergoth`tv	`fun stuf`
`04:31.47`	kergoth`tv	`heh`
`04:31.50`	`Xentac`	kergoth`tv: hehehe... faking test results... do this often? ;o)
`04:31.50`	`noda`	`Oh, hey, does the kernel still not compile with 3.2?`
`04:31.57`	`noda`	`And how hard do you think it'd be to fix that? :)`
`04:32.04`	kergoth`tv	`Xentac: lol`
`04:32.13`	kergoth`tv	`noda: new kernels compile with 3.2`
`04:32.16`	kergoth`tv	`noda: that one wont easily`
`04:32.27`	`noda`	kergoth`tv: Oh... which kernel would?
`04:32.33`	kergoth`tv	`noda: onyx suggests adding a config opt to use an older supplied toolchainf or the kernel and 3.2 for the rest`
`04:32.45`	`noda`	kergoth`tv: Yeah, that'd be a good idea.
`04:32.59`	`noda`	`Oh, I need the 2.95.3 kernel if I want to use the SD module, right?`
`04:33.05`	kergoth`tv	`..`
`04:33.06`	kergoth`tv	`eh?`
`04:33.09`	kergoth`tv	`2.95.3 isnt a kernel`
`04:33.16`	`noda`	`No, I know, I meant 2.95.3-compiled`
`04:33.18`	kergoth`tv	`and 3.2 vs 2.95 doesnt break c stuff, only c++ apps`
`04:33.22`	`noda`	`Oh.`
`04:33.25`	kergoth`tv	`due to the changed ABI`
`04:33.40`	kergoth`tv	`we can even use a gcc3 built libc6 2.3.1 on our regular roms without a problem`
`04:33.48`	`noda`	`Oh...`
`04:34.04`	`noda`	`So if I can hack at this kernel and make it compile with 3.2, that means everything SHOULD work, right? :)`
`04:34.20`	kergoth`tv	`yeap`
`04:34.30`	kergoth`tv	`though its not really worth your time :)`
`04:34.34`	kergoth`tv	`theres other shit to do`
`04:34.34`	`noda`	`Why not? :)`
`04:34.51`	kergoth`tv	`like port the irda stuff from the 2.4.6 tree into 2.4.7, thats a quick and dirty way to get us onto 2.4.7`
`04:35.03`	kergoth`tv	`2.4.7 doesnt gain much, other than the latest jffs2, which would solve some of our issues`
`04:35.03`	`noda`	`I need practice before I do something actually useful.`
`04:35.12`	`noda`	`Oh, from 2.4.6 to 2.4.7? That can't be too hard...`
`04:35.30`	`noda`	`Wait a sec... irda is the only thing that's not working with 2.4.7?`
`04:35.40`	kergoth`tv	`yep`
`04:35.42`	kergoth`tv	`eveyrthing else works`
`04:35.45`	kergoth`tv	`i ported it all forward`
`04:35.46`	kergoth`tv	`wasnt much to it`
`04:35.51`	kergoth`tv	`i mean, its only one kernelv ersion up`
`04:35.53`	kergoth`tv	`pretty easy`
`04:35.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ljp: who maintains opie-backup?`
`04:36.01`	kergoth`tv	`TheMasterMind1: ben`
`04:36.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`meyer?`
`04:36.16`	`noda`	`Well I don't give a shit about irda! I'm usin' 2.4.7 :)`
`04:36.18`	kergoth`tv	`TheMasterMind1: yep`
`04:36.21`	kergoth`tv	`noda: hehe`
`04:36.25`	kergoth`tv	`noda: port the irda for me`
`04:36.27`	`ljp`	`ben wrote that but doesnt do anything with anything anymore`
`04:36.29`	kergoth`tv	`noda: then we can switch to it globally`
`04:36.33`	`noda`	kergoth`tv: I wouldn't know how to test it :)
`04:36.39`	kergoth`tv	`noda: me neither`
`04:36.40`	`noda`	`I have nothing to communicate with`
`04:36.50`	kergoth`tv	`noda: but just make it -compile- with the 2.4.6 stuff`
`04:36.54`	kergoth`tv	`noda: get the patch ported forward`
`04:37.06`	`noda`	kergoth`tv: Oh, does the toolchain build with non-debian systems now btw? :)
`04:37.07`	kergoth`tv	`noda: there were irda changes from 2.4.6 to 2.4.7 that b0rked the collie patch`
`04:37.10`	kergoth`tv	`noda: no not yet`
`04:37.17`	kergoth`tv	`still on my ever growing todo`
`04:37.29`	`noda`	kergoth`tv: Okay, so it'd just be a matter of checking diffs all over the place :)
`04:37.42`	kergoth`tv	`noda: right. editing .rej files and manually applying the patch`
`04:37.49`	kergoth`tv	`noda: figuring out what changed from 2.4.6 to 2.4.7`
`04:37.54`	kergoth`tv	`noda: and adapting it into the collie stuff`
`04:37.56`	`noda`	`Erm. Now I KNOW this'll sound funny, but what's a .rej file? :)`
`04:37.56`	kergoth`tv	`noda: not too horrible`
`04:38.05`	kergoth`tv	`noda: patch fails to apply, leaves behind the rejected hunks`
`04:38.09`	kergoth`tv	`noda: in a .rej text file`
`04:38.09`	`noda`	`Oh, right.`
`04:38.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`tv: submitted bug report on it
`04:38.42`	kergoth`tv	`TheMasterMind1: cool`
`04:39.47`	`noda`	`So in a nutshell, if the patch applies properly (which will take some understanding of the code of course) and the kernel compiles, it SHOULD work :)`
`04:39.47`	*** mode/#openzaurus [-o kergoth`tv] by ChanServ
`04:40.05`	`*** mode/#openzaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ`
`04:40.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: any luck with opie-alarm?`
`04:40.19`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: flashing again atm`
`04:40.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`okl`
`04:41.02`	`kergoth`	`grr`
`04:41.07`	`noda`	`Okay... as soon as I've got this sucker compiling I'll get right on it :)`
`04:41.08`	`kergoth`	`i hate it when i run menuconfig on a -image .config`
`04:41.10`	`kergoth`	`and opie gets disabled`
`04:41.15`	`kergoth`	`and i build an image with 7 megs free`
`04:41.16`	`kergoth`	`and go wtf?`
`04:42.04`	`ljp`	`hmm`
`04:43.11`	`noda`	`kergoth: Oh, btw, I probably won't get to work on the website as much in the holidays. I've landed myself a nice little contract :)`
`04:43.20`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: get a chance to update the changelog?`
`04:43.23`	`kergoth`	`noda: nice, congrats`
`04:43.58`	`ljp`	`contract schmontract`
`04:44.04`	`chouimat\|away`	`kergoth: still sick?`
`04:44.13`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|away: yeah. feeling a bit better though`
`04:44.20`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|away: got a good nights sleep last night`
`04:44.44`	`ljp`	`wow! I am leet! I built the kernel with sound as module!`
`04:44.50`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`04:44.52`	`kergoth`	`congrats`
`04:44.57`	`*** join/#openzaurus TheMasterMind1 (foobar@h-69-3-1-45.MCLNVA23.covad.net)`
`04:45.03`	`kergoth`	`vi packages/kernel/linux*config? :)`
`04:45.07`	`ljp`	`wonder if it will work`
`04:45.10`	`kergoth`	`)`
`04:45.10`	`kergoth`	`22:55 <@kergoth> TheMasterMind1: get a chance to update the changelog?`
`04:45.12`	`chouimat\|away`	`just took 8 beers tonignt, now I will go eat something`
`04:45.18`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|away: good idea`
`04:45.27`	`ljp`	`bash: vi: command not found`
`04:45.45`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`04:45.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: yes`
`04:45.51`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: cool, thanks`
`04:46.12`	`chouimat\|food`	`kergoth: I have an overaffectuous cat`
`04:46.38`	`kergoth`	`mine finally fell asleep so he's not meowing constantly`
`04:47.22`	`ljp`	`mine is staring a me like, 'ok, time to go to bed'`
`04:47.26`	`kergoth`	`i hate that`
`04:48.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`04:48.15`	`*** join/#openzaurus mrwoody (paolo@49-pool3.ras12.nynyc-t.alerondial.net)`
`04:48.34`	`ljp`	`who is going to port the audio drivers to alsa?`
`04:48.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you`
`04:49.13`	`mrwoody`	`does designer 2 work with qtopia 1.6?`
`04:49.14`	`chouimat\|food`	`mine is constantly following me or falling asleep rigth under my office chair whels`
`04:49.27`	`ljp`	`ya right, like I know anythng about drivers, much less alsa drivers`
`04:49.58`	`ljp`	`oh, they learn very fast not to be around the chair wheels`
`04:50.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`04:50.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`excuses excuses`
`04:50.12`	`chouimat\|food`	`TheMasterMind1: it's fun to have a cat, less expensive than a girlfriend ;)`
`04:50.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: tell me when you test opie-alarm stuff`
`04:50.17`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: k`
`04:50.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`chouimat\|food: heh`
`04:50.23`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: my opie is building, just updated from cvs`
`04:50.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: i just cvs upped`
`04:50.33`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: finally pushed the one line opiealarm /dev/rtc fix`
`04:50.34`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`04:50.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`any changes to makefiles or new patches?`
`04:50.48`	`ljp`	`well, let me see how bad I can mess up the lineo audio first`
`04:50.48`	`kergoth`	`not afaict`
`04:50.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`that i should wait for before rebuilding opie`
`04:50.52`	`noda`	`Dammit! I need more hard drive space...`
`04:50.57`	`*** join/#openzaurus tez_h (~tez_h@210.17.162.6)`
`04:51.01`	`chouimat\|food`	`TheMasterMind1: when you will pay for one you will understand`
`04:51.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`chouimat\|food: yea`
`04:51.13`	`noda`	`kergoth: checking version of arm-linux-gcc... 2.95.3, bad`
`04:51.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`noda: vi configure.log`
`04:51.25`	`chouimat\|food`	`noda: how Girl?`
`04:51.34`	`noda`	`kergoth: What version should I have? Do I have to use glibc-2.2.5 if I want to compile with 2.95.3?`
`04:51.49`	`noda`	`chouimat\|food: Out in the country hundreds of kilometres away and I haven't spoken with her for two days...`
`04:52.05`	`kergoth`	`noda: yep`
`04:53.49`	`chouimat\|food`	`noda: ouch! hope for you that januray will be good`
`04:53.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: so how do alarms while suspended work?`
`04:54.06`	`noda`	`chouimat\|food: We'll see... I'm sure she'll be home tomorrow and I'll be able to talk with her then.`
`04:54.17`	`dep`	`opie-multikey from unstable won't install properly for me...postinst has trouble...backing out to an older version from stable works`
`04:54.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm, i have a red quarter`
`04:54.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`werd`
`04:54.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`weird even`
`04:55.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot nickometer`
`04:55.07`		`Money makes the world go round`
`04:55.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`blah`
`04:55.18`	`ljp`	`hmm the sound modules didnt show up in the output dir ;(`
`04:55.42`	`chouimat\|food`	`ok my diner is ready (ramen soup)`
`04:56.50`	`chouimat\|food`	`hey mrwoody`
`04:57.01`	`Onyx4`	`nice dinner...`
`04:57.02`	`Onyx4`	`:)`
`04:57.08`	`Onyx4`	`why not poutine hehe`
`04:57.23`	`chouimat\|food`	`Onyx4: pas de frite :)`
`04:57.24`	`mrwoody`	`chouimat\|food: hi...`
`04:57.29`	`mrwoody`	`mrwoody: no`
`04:58.04`	`chouimat\|food`	`Onyx4: and it's 12h02 am here and after 8 beers ......`
`04:58.17`	`mrwoody`	`qtopia-desktop.1.6 does not provide designer... where can i get that?`
`04:58.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: we need to get opiemail to build`
`04:59.14`	`mrz80`	`Phew.`
`05:00.26`	`mrz80`	`kergoth: Hope you're feeling better. Finally got my 2.4.20 usbnet patched (I think/hope :-) ). It compiles; the module will load. Uhm, (sounding dense) now what?`
`05:01.04`	`ljp`	`ifconfig`
`05:01.30`	`noda`	`ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.1 up`
`05:01.35`	`\|\|ugh`	`Does anyone know of a PGP2 (GPG is useless for anything but file verification) for the Z? Same goes for an email MUA with crypto in it, any on the horizion?`
`05:01.40`	`noda`	`(or is it usbd0? I keep forgetting)`
`05:01.54`	`mrz80`	`usbd0 is on the Z side, IIRC`
`05:02.05`	`Onyx4`	`chouimat\|food: late snack then :)`
`05:02.16`	`mrz80`	`SIOCSIFADDR: No such device`
`05:02.16`	`mrz80`	`usb0: unknown interface: No such device`
`05:02.41`	`noda`	`mrz80: Is the Z plugged in, and does dmesg show it was recognized? :)`
`05:02.42`	`ljp`	`hmm is there something special I need to get the sound modules to be put in the output dir?`
`05:02.51`	`chouimat\|food`	`Onyx4: didn't eat since noon`
`05:03.25`	`kergoth`	`ljp: the modules are built in the kernel-modules ipk`
`05:03.26`	`kergoth`	`ljp: :)`
`05:03.32`	`Onyx4`	`chouimat\|food: ouch :)`
`05:03.32`	`kergoth`	`ljp: copy it to your Z and install it`
`05:03.40`	`kergoth`	`ljp: output/ipks/`
`05:03.53`	`chouimat\|food`	`Onyx4: but 8 beers count for a lunch ;)`
`05:05.23`	`mrz80`	`That's it. Brain officially fried. So long all.`
`05:05.29`	`noda`	`Woo! Done glibc :)`
`05:05.50`	`kergoth`	`noda: .. building your buildroot?`
`05:05.57`	`noda`	`kergoth: Yep :)`
`05:06.02`	`ljp`	`but the sound modules arent there ;9`
`05:06.13`	`noda`	`busybox time :)`
`05:06.17`	`chouimat\|food`	`noda: building buildroot because Girl waay?`
`05:06.23`	`noda`	`chouimat\|food: Guess :P`
`05:06.26`	`kergoth`	`ljp: remove the ipk`
`05:06.29`	`kergoth`	`ljp: make again`
`05:06.36`	`kergoth`	`ljp: it'll rebuild the ipk`
`05:06.39`	`kergoth`	`ljp: should copy your new module`
`05:06.46`	`noda`	`chouimat\|food: I mean God DAMN. I talk to her for like 1 hour a night, and without that conversation my life is totally different. In a very very bad way.`
`05:06.48`	`chouimat\|food`	`noda: don't play with your palm .....pilot`
`05:06.54`	`kergoth`	`lol`
`05:06.54`	`noda`	`chouimat\|food: lol`
`05:07.03`	`kergoth`	`noda: so have you told her how you feel yet?`
`05:07.09`	`noda`	`kergoth: No.`
`05:07.25`	`kergoth`	`man`
`05:07.31`	`kergoth`	`you're like clark kent in smallville`
`05:07.33`	`kergoth`	`i curse at him`
`05:07.36`	`chouimat\|food`	`noda: meet one but I don't know, she's 27 and she have a child ( <1yr)`
`05:07.37`	`kergoth`	`eveyr time i watch the show`
`05:07.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`05:07.45`	`noda`	`kergoth: rofl, that's exactly what I feel like.`
`05:07.49`	`kergoth`	`DAMN YOU YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER just tell her how you feel!`
`05:07.53`	`kergoth`	`(him not you)`
`05:07.56`	`kergoth`	`though it applies to you as well`
`05:07.56`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`05:07.59`	`noda`	`kergoth: lol`
`05:08.12`	`chouimat\|food`	`kergoth: last show, lana she was wait for him to tell her`
`05:08.20`	`kergoth`	`he keeps letting perfect moments to do so pass him by`
`05:08.21`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|food: i know!`
`05:08.23`	`noda`	`kergoth: There are reasons not to. And we'll see what happens...`
`05:08.24`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|food: he didnt see it`
`05:08.27`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|food: arg!`
`05:08.29`	`noda`	`chouimat\|food: Wasn't that a rerun? The one on Tuesday?`
`05:08.33`	`chouimat\|food`	`kergoth: those eyes`
`05:08.35`	`kergoth`	`dumbass`
`05:08.41`	`sjohnson`	`yes rerun`
`05:08.57`	`chouimat\|food`	`noda: the one with krista allen?`
`05:09.03`	`sjohnson`	`kergoth: But Clark marries Lois Lane`
`05:09.05`	`noda`	`chouimat\|food: The one with his eyes spewing fire.`
`05:09.10`	`kergoth`	`sjohnson: i know`
`05:09.17`	`kergoth`	`sjohnson: it frustrates me anyway :)`
`05:09.21`	`noda`	`But Lana is who he's SUPPOSED to marry! :)`
`05:09.23`	`kergoth`	`noda: yeah, it was a rerun`
`05:09.25`	`kergoth`	`bah!`
`05:09.32`	`sjohnson`	`lol`
`05:09.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh, i've never seen a smallville episode in my life`
`05:09.49`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: should check it out, good show`
`05:09.49`	`noda`	`TheMasterMind1: It's pretty cool :)`
`05:09.51`	`kergoth`	`really well cast`
`05:09.57`	`chouimat\|food`	`bring lana here, and it's me, her and wheeped cream :)`
`05:10.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol`
`05:10.02`	`noda`	`And of course Girl watches it so I watch it :P`
`05:10.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what channel is it on`
`05:10.07`	`sjohnson`	`I just wonder how far they can keep pushing the situation`
`05:10.10`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: wb`
`05:10.12`	`noda`	`Fox, 10:00 Tuesdays`
`05:10.16`	`noda`	`Oh, or WB`
`05:10.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`alright`
`05:10.24`	`chouimat\|food`	`sjohnson: look at "I dream of jeny"`
`05:10.27`	`noda`	`sjohnson: Believe me, these situations can last years :P`
`05:10.38`	`kergoth`	`sjohnson: think about it.. how long did they push the tension in lois & clark?`
`05:10.41`	`kergoth`	`sjohnson: it'll be a while`
`05:11.19`	`sjohnson`	`I was actually thing about Clark NOT flying. :)`
`05:11.19`	`noda`	`chouimat\|food: There won't be a lois, it's in Smallville`
`05:11.27`	`noda`	`sjohnson: rofl`
`05:11.38`	`kergoth`	`lol`
`05:11.44`	`chouimat\|food`	`hehe`
`05:12.13`	`chouimat\|food`	`I hope that lana will taste his super dick soon`
`05:12.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`rofl`
`05:12.25`	`kergoth`	`no kidding`
`05:12.27`	`kergoth`	`JUST TELL HER!`
`05:12.31`	`noda`	`kergoth: Woo! I got past ipkg!`
`05:12.32`	`kergoth`	`idiots`
`05:12.35`	`kergoth`	`noda: great`
`05:12.52`	`noda`	`kergoth: But the thing is, she KNOWS how he feels. And most of the time she DOESN'T want to talk about it.`
`05:12.58`	`kergoth`	`bah`
`05:13.07`	`kergoth`	`she tries to get him to tell her like every episode`
`05:13.18`	`chouimat\|food`	`noda: they alway wait for you to make the move`
`05:13.19`	`kergoth`	`sets up the right moment`
`05:13.20`	`sjohnson`	`My thery is that Lana will figure it out eventually on her own`
`05:13.21`	`kergoth`	`and it passes him by`
`05:13.41`	`noda`	`chouimat\|food: Really? Hrm...`
`05:14.00`	`chouimat\|food`	`noda: une femme veux etre desirer`
`05:14.01`	`kergoth`	`noda: most of them will wait and wait. i've met a few that made the move but not many`
`05:14.19`	`kergoth`	`my ex- pursued me the whole way, i didnt even like her that way at first. but thats rare`
`05:14.22`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`05:14.31`	`chouimat\|food`	`kergoth: and they are more patient than us`
`05:14.41`	`noda`	`Well I should at least wait for Girl to throw me a HINT...`
`05:14.47`	`sjohnson`	`They aren't many that make the first move. I've only met one, myself.`
`05:15.10`	`chouimat\|food`	`noda: the worst she can tell you is that she like you like a brother`
`05:15.22`	`kergoth`	`noda: what if she has and you didnt notice? a lot of guys are pretty dense`
`05:15.23`	`kergoth`	`noda: :P`
`05:15.26`	`noda`	`chouimat\|food: Not only the worst but the most probable :)`
`05:15.34`	`noda`	`kergoth: lol, there's always that.`
`05:16.14`	`chouimat\|food`	`noda: do you want to spent your night with her or playing with little noda every night thinking about her`
`05:16.20`	`kergoth`	`lol`
`05:16.23`	`noda`	`lol`
`05:16.52`	`chouimat\|food`	`noda: after a while you get very strong wrist ;)`
`05:16.56`	`kergoth`	`you definately dont want to look back on this and think god, what if i had told her`
`05:17.04`	`kergoth`	`dont want it to be a regret`
`05:17.23`	`ljp`	`kergoth: didnt help, new modules aren't relocated`
`05:17.25`	`noda`	`kergoth: Yes, but I've come close to telling her a few times, and every single time I can look back and say "God, it's a good thing i didn't tell her" :)`
`05:17.36`	`kergoth`	`ljp: dont end up in the ipk?`
`05:17.55`	`kergoth`	`noda: one of these times it'll have been the right moment and you'll have missed it :)`
`05:18.01`	`ljp`	`what ipk? there is no ipk, and the modules arent in staging`
`05:18.02`	`chouimat\|food`	`kergoth: I had read the email from my ex-wife, she want to make contact with me again, enough to make me regret to have ditched her`
`05:18.06`	`kergoth`	`ljp: eh?`
`05:18.10`	`kergoth`	`ljp: 'make' builds an ipk`
`05:18.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what exactly are we talking about him telling her`
`05:18.18`	`noda`	`kergoth: Bah! I refuse to believe my life can hang on the outcome of a single moment. Especially because it's true :)`
`05:18.23`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: how he feels about her`
`05:18.31`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: that he wants them to be more than just friends`
`05:18.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ah`
`05:18.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok`
`05:18.40`	`chouimat\|food`	`kergoth: TheMasterMind1 is too young to understand`
`05:18.43`	`noda`	`lol, so young :)`
`05:18.45`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|food: i know, but i try`
`05:18.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ljp: i dont think it puts shit in staging`
`05:18.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ljp: check output/ipks/`
`05:18.54`	`noda`	`chouimat\|food: rofl`
`05:19.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol, i'm not THAT young`
`05:19.02`	`kergoth`	`ljp: staging is only used for certain build dependencies`
`05:19.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`jeez`
`05:19.08`	`noda`	`TheMasterMind1: Some day you'll get like this. And you'll say, "Man, this SUCKS!"`
`05:19.16`	`chouimat\|food`	`TheMasterMind1: i'm teasing you`
`05:19.35`	`noda`	`Woo, gotten as far as QT without any part of the build failing. Nice :)`
`05:19.40`	`kergoth`	`noda: hopefully he's saying man can she suck, not man this sucks`
`05:19.43`	`kergoth`	`noda: in a few years`
`05:19.48`	`noda`	`heh`
`05:20.02`	`chouimat\|food`	`TheMasterMind1: look at me I just met someone she's very cute (27) but she have a 8 month child :(`
`05:20.22`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|food: gah that sucks`
`05:20.23`	`noda`	`chouimat\|food: What is WITH the hot moms in this province! :)`
`05:20.43`	`chouimat\|food`	`noda: I know her very well :)`
`05:20.57`	`ljp`	`noda: just recently the 'girl next door' when I was in high school contacted me. turns out she was also kinda interested in me then, but both of us never made a move or said anything.. but she's married now...`
`05:21.01`	`noda`	`I mean seriously, half the hot women you see in a mall are moms :P`
`05:21.08`	`chouimat\|food`	`noda: after 25-27 a guy think about having a family`
`05:21.15`	`noda`	`ljp: I KNOW, I know...`
`05:21.18`	`ljp`	`:D`
`05:21.21`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`05:21.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sounds like you people lack knowledge of safesex`
`05:21.45`	`kergoth`	`thats the perfect example`
`05:21.46`	`ljp`	`'got to let go, you know, or else you stay'`
`05:21.53`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: hey i dont have a kid yet thankfully`
`05:22.08`	`kergoth`	`noda: without risk, there is no reward.`
`05:22.26`	`noda`	`kergoth: Yes, but I'd be risking a lot more than just asking some random girl.`
`05:22.43`	`kergoth`	`yep, and you risk losing the opportunity if you dont :)`
`05:22.52`	`kergoth`	`i'll stop pestering you now`
`05:22.57`	`kergoth`	`but i'll probably pester you about it tomorrow`
`05:22.58`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`05:23.04`	`chouimat\|food`	`TheMasterMind1: if my ex-wife didn't lost it, my child would have 8 years old in january`
`05:23.10`	`noda`	`Heh, go on, it doesn't make a difference :)`
`05:23.23`	`kergoth`	`noda: i know, but hey, i try`
`05:23.26`	`noda`	`The actual time it takes to READ what you write is time I don't spend thinking about her as much as usual :P`
`05:23.30`	`ljp`	`ya either find out now, or find out later`
`05:24.06`	`chouimat\|food`	`ljp: I agree`
`05:24.09`	`ljp`	`and well.. there's only now anyway`
`05:24.47`	`noda`	`kergoth: I'm getting zillions of undefined references with mocgen.o... I know you've helped me before, but I forget what the solution is :)`
`05:25.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`zillions?`
`05:25.06`	`chouimat\|food`	`noda: tell her soon because you will probably pass the rest of you life wondering what it would be like to be with her, and it's not good`
`05:25.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`:)`
`05:25.11`	`noda`	`zillions :)`
`05:25.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	`this takes forever`
`05:25.19`	`noda`	`chouimat\|food: Yes, will tell her soon.`
`05:26.13`	`kergoth`	`shit`
`05:26.21`	`noda`	`kergoth: What is it?`
`05:26.22`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: opiealarm isnt setting the time on the rtc`
`05:26.27`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: dunno why, its not working`
`05:26.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`uhoh`
`05:26.31`	`noda`	`kergoth: Do you know what this mocgen problem is? :)`
`05:26.34`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: adding debug output and dumping to syslog to check`
`05:26.36`	`kergoth`	`noda: not offhand`
`05:26.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: ok`
`05:27.05`	`noda`	`Oh, I remember, I managed to get this to compile once. Damned if I remember how though :)`
`05:27.35`	`kergoth`	`ljp: i still havent gotten any word on the 5600 source, its still being cleaned up and readied for release`
`05:27.43`	`kergoth`	`ljp: dejavu, reminds me of when we were waiting for the 5000d sources`
`05:28.10`	`ljp`	`heh months`
`05:28.19`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`05:28.22`	`ljp`	`but the 5600 has output sound`
`05:29.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: you see the c700 coming to america thing? http://www.nvmax.com/cgi-bin/community.pl?num=1039061406`
`05:29.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i bet we could help out too, might even get free c700s out of it :oD`
`05:29.20`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: yep, heard`
`05:29.30`	`chouimat\|food`	`woooohoooo I got my ticket for Nemesis next week`
`05:29.43`	`kergoth`	`are tickets avail for two towers yet?`
`05:29.52`	`chouimat\|food`	`don't know`
`05:29.57`	`kergoth`	`hmm should check`
`05:30.29`	`Piete`	`brb`
`05:30.41`	`kergoth`	`ibot: botmail for tux_mike can you upgrade the 'cvs' package on zelda to the most recent? :) this version has a bug that results in hangs on checkouts from certain repositories`
`05:32.22`	`kergoth`	`thats alot of cat`
`05:33.05`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: I 'm sure if you call her you hear him overt the phone`
`05:33.43`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`05:33.51`	`chouimat`	`sorry try to type with a cat trying to catch you hand`
`05:33.58`	`kergoth`	`yeah know how that is`
`05:34.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hey opie built`
`05:35.03`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: his rear claws are too long for the length of his pawn`
`05:36.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm, what does mark have to say about knights in our buildroot`
`05:36.29`	`chouimat\|zzzz`	`night`
`05:37.48`	`chouimat\|zzzz`	`noda: you cant do it man ;)`
`05:38.00`	`noda`	`chouimat\|zzzz: 'night`
`05:38.26`	`chouimat\|zzzz`	`noda: noight`
`05:41.11`	`noda`	`Dammit, that moc simply will not compile.`
`05:41.29`	`chouimat\|zzzz`	`noda: do you have qt2 installed on you box?`
`05:41.32`	`noda`	`Yes`
`05:41.45`	`noda`	`Oh, it's compiled with gcc-2.95.3 though, that must be it.`
`05:42.01`	`chouimat\|zzzz`	`just copy it over buildroot/buld/qt-2.3.4/bin`
`05:42.18`	`chouimat\|zzzz`	`kergoth: fix that too ;)`
`05:42.18`	`noda`	`chouimat\|zzzz: Did that. Well, had to edit the makefile too :)`
`05:42.39`	`chouimat\|zzzz`	`noda I need to go check my bath`
`05:43.49`	`chouimat\|zzzz`	`kergoth: try that: non-alchoolic iced tea`
`05:44.02`	`chouimat\|zzzz`	`night all, I'm really away`
`05:44.05`	`chouimat\|zzzz`	`by noda`
`05:44.11`	`kergoth`	`night chouimat\|zzzz`
`05:44.35`	`noda`	`'night chouimat\|zzzz :)`
`05:47.13`	`kergoth`	`hmnm`
`05:47.21`	`kergoth`	`how do i gdb an app and follow to the child it forks?`
`05:48.35`	`jurrie`	`set a break point in the child then run`
`05:49.05`	`kergoth`	`that easy?`
`05:49.24`	`jurrie`	`dunno, ne'er done it with gdb, but it worked with other *ix debuggers that I've used`
`05:49.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hardwire: you here?`
`05:50.09`	`kergoth`	`what?`
`05:50.12`	`kergoth`	`what af ucking joke`
`05:50.15`	`kergoth`	`jurrie: gdb cant do it`
`05:50.35`	`kergoth`	`jurrie: you have to put a sleep in the damn child and use gdb to attach to its PID`
`05:51.42`	`jurrie`	`oh well... sorry`
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`05:52.01`	`hardwire`	`TheMasterMind1: ?`
`05:52.06`	`kergoth`	`thats a major lacking feature imho, particularly if its a process that forks a number of children`
`05:52.09`	`kergoth`	`ah well`
`05:52.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hardwire: wanna fix up nanoweb stuff to work with the new nanoweb 1.9.whatever ?`
`05:52.54`	`hardwire`	`gooher it`
`05:52.59`	`hardwire`	`go for it :)`
`05:53.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`too much pain`
`05:53.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`none of the patches apply cleanly`
`05:53.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`05:53.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i'm just going to build without patches and all mdoules`
`05:53.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`see if it works`
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`05:55.18`	`kergoth`	`hey hunger_`
`05:56.24`	`noda`	`Gah, ran into one of the snags in the FAQ.`
`05:56.32`	`noda`	`(uic not running)`
`05:57.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: according to ljp, xine cvs builds with --without-x so we can add to buildroot and build op2`
`05:58.10`	`noda`	`Nice! :)`
`05:58.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yep`
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`05:58.37`	`kergoth`	`spiffy`
`05:58.40`	`noda`	`Hrm, the xine-codecs on http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/ aren't just that though, are they? I thought they had optimizations written in assembly...`
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`05:58.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`noda: shrug`
`05:58.56`	kergoth`zzz	`noda: said arm asm shoudl be in xine cvs`
`05:59.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`afaik they were merging everything into xine cvs`
`05:59.05`	kergoth`zzz	`yeap`
`05:59.10`	`noda`	`Oh, wow! :)`
`05:59.14`	kergoth`zzz	`alright i'm out guys, i ought to have the opiealarm thing fixed tomorrow`
`05:59.14`	`noda`	`That's a good thing :)`
`05:59.19`	kergoth`zzz	`think i know whats up`
`05:59.23`	kergoth`zzz	`night`
`05:59.30`	`noda`	`'night, I'm going to bed too :)`
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`06:04.35`	`noda`	`Aaaargh! I doubt anyone can help, but here's another buildroot problem... :)`
`06:05.34`	`noda`	When compiling opie I get lots of /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/stating/usr/lib/libqte.so: undefined reference to `QListView::QPaintDevice virtual table' and similar.
`06:07.07`	`noda`	`Bah.`
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`07:12.00`	`lsmith`	`was opieftp also downgraded?`
`07:12.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`no`
`07:12.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`not afaik`
`07:12.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i have an updated feed up`
`07:12.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`with bunch of fixes etc`
`07:12.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/unstable/`
`07:12.35`	`lsmith`	`ah no misread it .. its oz-base`
`07:12.56`	`lsmith`	`ah .. when you had your feed up before`
`07:13.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`:)`
`07:13.04`	`lsmith`	`ipkg seg faulted if i had your feed in`
`07:13.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`well, you can't have more than one feed at atime`
`07:13.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`for some reason`
`07:13.28`	`lsmith`	`well oz-stable and oz-unstable work together`
`07:13.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i know`
`07:13.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its weird`
`07:13.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i develop ipkg and i have no clue whats causing it`
`07:13.57`	`lsmith`	`might be that its confused if the same version cans be found in different feeds?`
`07:14.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`maybe`
`07:14.34`	`lsmith`	`have all unstable packages been updated compared to stable?`
`07:14.53`	`lsmith`	`hmm lets try your feed with stable then`
`07:14.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what do you mean?`
`07:15.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lsmith: one sec i'm upgrading packages file`
`07:15.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`done`
`07:16.04`	`lsmith`	`i have commented out oz-unstable (leaving oz-stable in) and add your feed`
`07:16.09`	`lsmith`	`lets see if it seg faults`
`07:16.24`	`lsmith`	`it does not`
`07:16.43`	`lsmith`	`so it looks like it just does not like oz-unstable being mixed with your feed`
`07:17.39`	`lsmith`	`i am choosing "N" for all such queries .. correct?`
`07:18.32`	`lsmith`	`Not downgrading package oz-base on root from unstable-14u to unstable-14q. .. should i downgrade manually?`
`07:18.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`07:19.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`don't leave two feeds on at once`
`07:19.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it doesn't work well`
`07:19.06`	`lsmith`	`there is a more recent mplayer in unstable`
`07:19.30`	`lsmith`	`TheMasterMind1: ok .. i had oz-stable and oz-unstable in together without issues the entire week`
`07:19.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`07:19.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lsmith: hmm, shrug`
`07:19.44`	`TheMasterMind1`	`my mplayer's old?`
`07:19.45`	`lsmith`	`:-)`
`07:19.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`all my opie stuff is new`
`07:19.52`	`lsmith`	`maybe just a version number thing`
`07:19.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`didn't check other stuff`
`07:19.58`	`lsmith`	`it was updated in unstable yesterday iirc`
`07:20.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea prolly`
`07:20.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`whatever, this is basically a feed i setup for myself to test out stuff and use`
`07:20.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so i can fix bugs and all`
`07:20.42`	`lsmith`	`yeah`
`07:21.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it has a fixed libapm apmd nanoweb php vtun and ifupdown`
`07:21.09`	`lsmith`	`well i will try it out .. and let you know how it worked :-)`
`07:21.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	`counterparts in oz-unstable are borken at the moment`
`07:21.22`	`lsmith`	`k`
`07:22.24`	`lsmith`	`did ipkg always manage to have the feed url in ipkg.conf with a trailing '/'`
`07:22.38`	`lsmith`	`because it seems to be working now`
`07:22.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`dunno`
`07:22.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i think it did`
`07:22.53`	`lsmith`	`k`
`07:22.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`maybe wget didn't work with it before`
`07:23.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`new busybox wget might be fixed`
`07:23.30`	`lsmith`	`arent we using an old busybox now? .. anyways about that news site`
`07:23.41`	`lsmith`	`i think it could be just a static page for now`
`07:23.59`	`lsmith`	`i am gone over the weekend but if you guys want i could try and maintain such a static page`
`07:24.11`	`lsmith`	`with the latest infos on unstable`
`07:25.20`	`lsmith`	`i could run it on my own webserver and you guys could link to it ..`
`07:25.33`	`lsmith`	`anyways so i will just start it .. and you guys can decided if it has some value`
`07:28.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lsmith: hm, have you tried mplayer?`
`07:28.40`	`lsmith`	`only xmms`
`07:29.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`with movies?`
`07:29.20`	`lsmith`	`no .. only oggs and mp3's`
`07:29.34`	`lsmith`	`i can try it with a movie when i get to the office`
`07:29.41`	`lsmith`	`got the fileserver there :-)`
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`07:35.38`	`lsmith`	`ok ... updated with your feed .. bootup`
`07:35.41`	`lsmith`	`time to head to the office`
`07:36.50`	`lsmith`	`narf ... need to fix all my tab changes again :-)`
`07:36.55`	`lsmith`	`laters`
`07:45.49`	`\|\|ugh`	`I have a mod to the OZ install directions, but there is no obvious email address to send it to, who is responsible for that web page?`
`07:49.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`give it to me`
`07:49.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what needs to be changed`
`07:51.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`?`
`07:56.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`\|\|ugh: hello?`
`07:57.20`	`\|\|ugh`	`Opps, was getting ready for a midnight hike.`
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`07:58.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what needs to be fixed?`
`07:58.31`	`\|\|ugh`	`Twice now I have run into not knowing the 'end' condition for step #6 so I know it's safe to goto step #7. I wrote that up in an email buffer and just have to send it to someone. I suggest adding half a sentance to step #7 to solve the problem.`
`07:59.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`in installguide?`
`07:59.52`	`\|\|ugh`	`I also have a script that works but needs to be setup for folks who can't script (program) that takes a CF and wipes whats there and sets it up right, installes the two files, checks that they made it etc. I had several 'stock' CF's that the Z did not like, so the scritp.`
`08:00.07`	`\|\|ugh`	`http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/installguide`
`08:00.22`	`\|\|ugh`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:00.22`	`\|\|ugh`	`to goto step #7. This might be done cleanly by changing #7 to:`
`08:00.22`	`\|\|ugh`	`7. After the mail/battery LEDs go off you need to push the "FULL`
`08:00.22`	`\|\|ugh`	`RESET" button in the lower-right side of the battery compartment one`
`08:00.22`	`\|\|ugh`	`again.`
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`08:00.34`	`\|\|ugh`	`(quoting from my email buffer)`
`08:00.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok`
`08:00.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`done`
`08:01.01`	`jmhodges`	`hey folks is the latest usbdnet sitll at zaurus.sf.net?`
`08:01.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`usbnet you mean?`
`08:01.10`	`jmhodges`	`cant find anything in the FAQ :-/`
`08:01.13`	`jmhodges`	`eh?`
`08:01.14`	`jmhodges`	`usbnet?`
`08:01.21`	`jmhodges`	`we use usbnet now?`
`08:01.22`	`\|\|ugh`	`Wow. Perfect. Thanks.`
`08:01.23`	`jmhodges`	`uh..`
`08:01.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`jmhodges: hmm, usbnet is currently a patch for the 2.4.20 kernels`
`08:01.44`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its better than usbdnet`
`08:01.52`	`jmhodges`	`ok im still running .19`
`08:02.05`	`jmhodges`	`and i need my pda for tomorrow so i dont have time to take care of that part`
`08:02.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok..`
`08:02.13`	`jmhodges`	`im sure usbnet WILL work MUCH petter`
`08:02.21`	`jmhodges`	`but i need the fast and dirty soln right now`
`08:02.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what're you trying to do`
`08:02.32`	`jmhodges`	`nothing`
`08:02.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok. so you need a solution to nothing?`
`08:02.43`	`jmhodges`	`i just reinstalled my distro`
`08:02.45`	`jmhodges`	`what`
`08:02.56`	`jmhodges`	`usbdnet worked the last time i used it`
`08:02.58`	`jmhodges`	`whats wrong now?`
`08:03.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it works`
`08:03.06`	`jmhodges`	`i just need the module`
`08:03.14`	`jmhodges`	`i need the standalone thing`
`08:03.15`	`jmhodges`	`thats all`
`08:03.27`	`jmhodges`	`and i was wondering if the zaurus.sf.net one was up to date`
`08:03.34`	`jmhodges`	`since ive been uot of it lately :-/`
`08:03.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html`
`08:04.02`	`jmhodges`	`TheMasterMind1: yes i know, ive dones it many times, is there something new i need to know?`
`08:04.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`no`
`08:04.35`	`jmhodges`	`awesome`
`08:06.34`	`jmhodges`	`ah fuck`
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`08:51.51`	`Twiun`	`morning`
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`08:58.59`	`Twiun`	`hi lsmith`
`08:59.38`	`lsmith`	`hi`
`09:06.59`	`lsmith`	`TheMasterMind1: well i am playing a movie now through mplayer-xmms`
`09:07.17`	`lsmith`	`slow as hell .. but its not optimized for the zaurus`
`09:07.30`	`lsmith`	`and i have it coming from an smbmount via usb`
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`09:09.15`	`lsmith`	`hmm slow ... cant even stop it ... interface is lagging .. :-)`
`09:13.09`	`Twiun`	`lol`
`09:13.33`	`lsmith`	`ok .. had to restart opie ..`
`09:13.49`	`lsmith`	`running a small (less than 1 mb) movie worked though`
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`09:14.16`	`lsmith`	`seems to have issues with showing the taskbar again after the movie stopped`
`09:15.14`	`Twiun`	`hmmm, mplayer not getting opie to refresh itself?`
`09:16.57`	`lsmith`	`yeah ..`
`09:17.36`	`Twiun`	`must be a qcop call for that`
`09:19.21`	`\|\|ugh`	`TheMasterMind1, question on the slow SD access, do you know if they are doing BLOCK sync or WRITE sync on the Z? It could make a BIG difference...`
`09:37.00`	`lsmith`	`huiii ... http://www.nvmax.com/cgi-bin/community.pl?num=1039061406`
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`09:56.54`	`\|\|ugh`	`Here is a new one (to me):`
`09:56.56`	`\|\|ugh`	`/opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe: error while loading shared libraries: /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2: unsupported version 0 of Verneed record`
`10:00.26`	`Twiun`	`lol`
`10:03.47`	`\|\|ugh`	`Seems that tar screwed up when I moved /opt to the SD...`
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`13:04.13`	`ljp`	`my cat likes to sit on top of my monitor and chase the cursor`
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`13:06.17`	`jjbenham`	`Do I have to do anything different to get my OpenZaurus to sync with QtopiaDesktop as compared to the Sharp Rom image. Should I use evolution instead of QtopiaDesktop?`
`13:07.51`	`ljp`	`you shouldnt have too, except use the very latest qd`
`13:08.33`	`Cloudchaser`	`well you have to go to security settings and set those`
`13:08.51`	`Cloudchaser`	`to "allow all" or whichever subnet you want to allow`
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`13:09.12`	`jjbenham`	`ok cause it did not sync for me without modifying any default setting`
`13:09.44`	`jjbenham`	`I will look into that. Thanks`
`13:48.00`	`schurig`	`http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/oz_website/content/overview.php yields "DB Error: connect failed" :-(`
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`14:12.26`	`brontos`	`if I have an image(jpg,png) in my docs tab and I click on it shouldn't open up in something? If so what program?`
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`14:40.49`	`cranchy_`	`Where is the CTRL key on the Zaurus keyboard`
`14:40.50`	`cranchy_`	`:(`
`14:41.06`	`Cloudchaser`	`Fn`
`14:41.43`	`cranchy_`	I have an error Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dynamic-link.h 62: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion '! "bad dynamic targ" ` failed!
`14:41.51`	`cranchy_`	`fsck failed. Please repair manually`
`14:42.50`	`cranchy_`	`any hints?`
`14:44.41`	`Cloudchaser`	`on oz?`
`14:45.02`	`Cloudchaser`	`only way i could fsck my sd card was to switch back to sharp rom`
`14:45.11`	`cranchy_`	`fsck`
`14:45.11`	`cranchy_`	`:)`
`14:45.15`	`Cloudchaser`	`yep`
`14:45.17`	`Cloudchaser`	`sucks`
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`14:45.40`	`Cloudchaser`	`someone else might have some idea`
`14:45.50`	`cranchy_`	`I didn't install anything on SD though...`
`14:46.02`	`Cloudchaser`	`is it your sd card that has errors?`
`14:46.07`	`cranchy_`	`nope`
`14:46.15`	`Cloudchaser`	`what does?`
`14:46.19`	`cranchy_`	`sd card isn't even in`
`14:46.21`	`cranchy_`	`it doesn't say`
`14:46.28`	`cranchy_`	`just says that error I gave earlier`
`14:46.33`	`Cloudchaser`	`what are you trying to fsck?`
`14:47.10`	`cranchy_`	`the ram?`
`14:47.14`	`cranchy_`	`I don't know`
`14:47.14`	`Cloudchaser`	`or is the z trying to do something automatically`
`14:47.20`	`Cloudchaser`	`ah ok no clue then`
`14:47.22`	`cranchy_`	`this is at boot time`
`14:47.29`	`Cloudchaser`	`eeps`
`14:47.37`	`Cloudchaser`	`way beyond my knowledget here`
`14:48.28`	`cranchy_`	`k..thank :)`
`14:48.31`	`cranchy_`	`off to class :)`
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`15:04.21`	`noda`	`Moo!`
`15:10.32`	`ljp_1`	`hmmm sorry, I cant speak Cow, so I dont know what that means :)`
`15:10.44`	`noda`	`MoomoooomoomooMOO!`
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`15:50.04`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`morning`
`15:51.14`	`schurig`	`Moin!`
`15:52.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hi`
`15:55.32`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`hi TheMasterMind1`
`15:55.34`	`schurig`	`TheMasterMind1: Hi. By the way: could you add an option to ipkg-x86 so that it does not execute scripts when an offline_root is specified in ipkg.conf? Or maybe a command-line entry ...`
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`15:55.52`	`AndyQ`	`hi`
`15:58.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`schurig: willdo`
`15:58.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	kergoth`zzz: wake up
`15:58.41`	`AndyQ`	`lo TheMasterMind1`
`15:58.46`	`AndyQ`	`hows things?`
`15:58.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sup`
`15:58.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`going ok`
`15:59.04`	`AndyQ`	`got your OZ problems sorted?`
`15:59.35`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it was going great last night, turned on my z just now and seems that segfault issue came back`
`15:59.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i was using the new busybox all day yesterday without any problems`
`15:59.45`	`AndyQ`	`huh - not good :(`
`15:59.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`did ipkg upgrade last night before i slept`
`15:59.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`now its back`
`15:59.59`	`AndyQ`	`doh!`
`16:11.53`	`schurig`	`any ipkg-package builders out there: I modified libjpeg62 so that it doesn't use staging-dir/usr anymore. That migth break other apps. I fixed Qt/E already. No version bumps, because the generated *.ipk will be exactly the same, it's only build-system issue ...`
`16:12.33`	`schurig`	`FYI: The transtition to not using staging-dir/usr was talked with kergoth here ...`
`16:13.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`how come?`
`16:13.44`	`schurig`	`? (what does this mean, i'm a non-native english speaker)`
`16:13.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`why are we moving it out of staging?`
`16:14.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its going to break quite a few builds`
`16:14.13`	`schurig`	`TheMasterMind1: We are not moving anything out of staging.`
`16:14.36`	`schurig`	`It's just that some apps install stuff in staging-dir/usr/lib. They should install it in staging-dir/lib instead.`
`16:14.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oh`
`16:14.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm, alright`
`16:15.32`	`pb_`	`schurig: why are you moving these files out of usr?`
`16:15.49`	`schurig`	`The same for other dirs: use staging-dir/include, not staging-dir/usr. In the end, the staging-dir should not have any usr dir at all. And, as a side effect, there should not be any *.la files anymore there ...`
`16:16.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok`
`16:16.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so just use include and lib from now on`
`16:16.20`	`pb_`	`oh right, I see.`
`16:17.03`	`schurig`	`pb_: because staging dir is just a helper for the build-process. It's not some dir that you later mount via nfs, so real running ARM binary ever reads from it`
`16:17.39`	`schurig`	`The idea is that the build process get's a little cleaner, even when this temporarily breaks the building of same packages.`
`16:18.04`	`pb_`	`schurig: right, I understand`
`16:18.08`	`schurig`	`Anyway, others here on #openzaurus had already problems because of *.la files pointing to x86-libraries on the build-system ... :-(`
`16:18.53`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: I'm having a few problems with mplayer (also xmms-e mplayer) in that I can't key any keys to work`
`16:19.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`argh, crap. it seems that now the 0923 cvs of busybox is also segfaulting because of libpreload`
`16:19.31`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: i.e. pressing down/left/right/up does nothing`
`16:19.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`AndyQ: is it supposed to?`
`16:20.00`	`schurig`	`Bye for now, I might re-join from home ...`
`16:20.11`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: Yeah - I think so or at least I think earlier versions did - up/down skip 5 seconds, left right skip 1 minute or something like that`
`16:20.20`	`*** topic/#openzaurus by AndyQ -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ \| opensource java for oz coming REAL soon \| oz unstable feed updated : add it as your main feed, and run: ipkg update; ipkg install ipkg; mount -o remount,sync /; ipkg -verbose_wget upgrade \| OPERA AND HANCOM WORK ON OZ - wait for OZ3.1 : thank sandman \| Unstable feed works again :)button/space pause`
`16:20.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol`
`16:20.33`	`AndyQ`	`BASTARD! - changing it right back....`
`16:20.35`	`TheMasterMind1`	`./topic OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ \| opensource java for oz coming REAL soon \| oz unstable feed updated : add it as your main feed, and run: ipkg update; ipkg install ipkg; mount -o remount,sync /; ipkg -verbose_wget upgrade \| OPERA AND HANCOM WORK ON OZ - wait for OZ3.1 : thank sandman \| Unstable feed works again :)`
`16:20.41`	`*** topic/#openzaurus by AndyQ -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ \| opensource java for oz coming REAL soon \| oz unstable feed updated : add it as your main feed, and run: ipkg update; ipkg install ipkg; mount -o remount,sync /; ipkg -verbose_wget upgrade \| OPERA AND HANCOM WORK ON OZ - wait for OZ3.1 : thank sandman \| Unstable feed works again :)`
`16:20.54`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: what I meant to say was: button/space pause`
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`16:21.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i think that's happening because of a patch applied to mplayer that lets xmms-e interact with it more easily`
`16:21.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i'll check it out`
`16:21.39`	`AndyQ`	`k - does mplayer (from OZ feed) interface OK with xmms, or should I still use the xmms-mplayer?`
`16:21.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it will work with xmms-e`
`16:21.53`	`AndyQ`	`coz you can't have both installed`
`16:21.58`	`AndyQ`	`cool`
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`16:22.20`	`cranch`	`anyone ever had fsck problems on their Z?`
`16:22.28`	`cranch`	`I'm getting an error right when I restart my Z now :(`
`16:23.23`	`cranch`	`everyone must be sleeping: )`
`16:23.33`	`oob`	`tried manually fsck'ing ?`
`16:24.43`	`cranch`	`oob: how?`
`16:24.51`	`cranch`	`like fsck -f /dev/mtdblock4`
`16:24.51`	`cranch`	`?`
`16:25.05`	`oob`	`yeah`
`16:25.08`	`cranch`	`nope`
`16:25.10`	`cranch`	`doesn't work`
`16:25.14`	`oob`	`oh`
`16:25.26`	`cranch`	`brings up an error about something in ld.so.`
`16:25.40`	`cranch`	`says inconsistency detected by ld.so: dynamic-link.h`
`16:25.46`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: hmmm, just uninstalled xmms-mplayer and installed mplayer and when I try to play a movie that previously worked I get the error: plugin okm something else is wrong: time=-1 (btw movie is mpeg4 ogg encoded)`
`16:25.56`	`cranch`	`and vi doesn't work`
`16:25.58`	`cranch`	`and no nano`
`16:26.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`AndyQ: grr`
`16:26.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`AndyQ: try playing the movie from commandline?`
`16:26.17`	`cranch`	`TheMasterMind1: my Z is broken :)`
`16:26.20`	`cranch`	`damn OZ`
`16:26.23`	`oob`	`cranch - time to reflash ?`
`16:26.35`	`TheMasterMind1`	`cranch: how'd you break it`
`16:26.36`	`cranch`	`oob: I'd rather now`
`16:26.41`	`cranch`	`konqueror locked`
`16:26.44`	`cranch`	`and then I hard rebooted`
`16:26.49`	`AndyQ`	`ahhh - ok, it may be me - just checking.............`
`16:26.50`	`cranch`	`now an error about ld.so`
`16:27.44`	`cranch`	`how could I add /lib and /usr/lib to my ld.so.conf`
`16:27.47`	`cranch`	`I never use cat`
`16:27.49`	`oob`	`what does ldconfig say`
`16:28.32`	`cranch`	`it says ldconfig: /lib/libuuid.so.1.2 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start`
`16:28.45`	`ljp_1`	`I use my cat as a live fur keeping my neck warm at night`
`16:29.07`	`cranch`	`ljp_1: thats nice :)`
`16:29.19`	`ljp_1`	`cept it tends to lick`
`16:30.13`	`ljp_1`	`and fart`
`16:30.27`	`cranch`	`great`
`16:30.32`	`cranch`	`any idea about the magic bytes thing?`
`16:30.54`	`ljp_1`	`magic bytes?`
`16:31.21`	`cranch`	`my ldconfig error`
`16:31.24`	`cranch`	`read up abuot 6 lines`
`16:31.58`	`ljp_1`	`is that on arm?`
`16:32.04`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: OK, doesn't work - get the following oerror: MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module:vo_check_events`
`16:32.08`	`cranch`	`yeah..on my Z`
`16:32.17`	`cranch`	`well..I guess I'll just reflash it later on today then`
`16:32.20`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: Then a whole lot of gubbings about Mplayer has crashed and this shouldn't happen etc`
`16:32.23`	`cranch`	`unless anyone else has any ideas`
`16:32.49`	`AndyQ`	`ljp_l: lol`
`16:33.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`AndyQ: always does that..`
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`16:34.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i'm trying to build xmms right now in the buildroot`
`16:34.08`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: k`
`16:34.15`	`AndyQ`	`hey Piete`
`16:34.56`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: oh, I've got linogg0, and linvorbisidec1 installed`
`16:35.22`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: do i need anything else specifically?`
`16:40.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`AndyQ: libogg0 libmad0 libvorbisidec1 libsdl1.2qte`
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`16:41.32`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: ok, didn't have libsdl1.2qte - installingf & retrying...`
`16:43.25`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: nope - same thing - crash & error`
`16:46.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`16:47.27`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: Only couple of possible issues are: after detecting audio & video codecs, get a messgae: audio_setup: driver doesn't support SNDCTL_DSP_GETOSPACE :-(`
`16:47.59`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: and then a little below: SDL: using driver: qtopia`
`16:48.02`	`ljp_work`	`heh ya and some other needed ioctls`
`16:48.26`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: not sure whether that are normal or what`
`16:48.28`	`ljp_work`	`like GETCAPS`
`16:48.41`	`AndyQ`	`ljp_work: hehe`
`16:49.05`	`ljp_work`	`even the sb16 has GETCAPS`
`16:49.16`	`AndyQ`	`ljp_work: which does?`
`16:49.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`AndyQ: shouldn't be doing that`
`16:49.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`AndyQ: where did you get the mplayer ipk?`
`16:49.26`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: Shouldn't be doing what?`
`16:49.34`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: OZ 3 unstable feed`
`16:49.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`do you have a /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf`
`16:50.38`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: yup`
`16:50.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
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`16:51.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`try mplayer -vo fbdev -ao sdl -framedrop file.whatever`
`16:51.10`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: I had to copy /etc/mplayer/codecs.conf and input.conf to /root/.mplayer as it was looking in /etc for them`
`16:51.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it should find them in /etc/`
`16:51.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`do you have and older version in /root maybe?`
`16:52.14`	`AndyQ`	`nope: if i rename ~/.mplayer i get the error: Reading .etc//codecs.conf: can't open...`
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`16:54.11`	`mETz`	`OPERA AND HANCOM WORK ON OZ <- does that include correct font sizes in hancomsheet? ;)`
`16:55.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i tried hancomsheet yesterday`
`16:55.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it seemed file`
`16:55.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`fine`
`16:56.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`font sizes where?`
`16:56.09`	`Cloudchaser`	`hmm, that link for norbert shows it was changed 12/4/02, but when i go to the latest changes/additions, the newest i see there is 12/3/02`
`16:56.35`	`Cloudchaser`	`oopw wrong window, sorry`
`16:56.48`	`AndyQ`	`hehe`
`16:56.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm, it seems that if your lights blink while flashing you can pull the card out and put it back in while they blink and somtimes it magically works`
`16:56.59`	`ljp_work`	`heh`
`16:57.06`	`ljp_work`	`thats funny`
`16:59.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=4367&hl=&s=2c932becb06e51ab03cdde94601de493`
`16:59.53`	`mETz`	`TheMasterMind1: in the table itself`
`17:00.08`	`mETz`	`my hancomsheet only had font sizes 1-4 for helvetica`
`17:00.14`	`mETz`	`a bit too tiny, even for a pda`
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`18:16.13`	`*** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ \| opensource java for oz coming REAL soon \| oz unstable feed updated : add it as your main feed, and run: ipkg update; ipkg install ipkg; mount -o remount,sync /; ipkg -verbose_wget upgrade \| OPERA AND HANCOM WORK ON OZ - wait for OZ3.1 : thank sandman \| Unstable feed works again :)`
`18:16.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hehe`
`18:16.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot oz`
`18:16.26`		`[oz] see openzaurus or http://www.openzaurus.org/ or /join #openzaurus`
`18:16.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`great`
`18:17.30`	`billytwowilly`	`shouldn't it be "and /join #openzaurs BUT READ THE FAQ FIRST!"`
`18:18.40`	`billytwowilly`	`s/#openzuars/#openzaurus`
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`18:21.30`	`cranchy_`	`nobody has seen the fsck problem?`
`18:22.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`nno`
`18:23.06`	`cranchy_`	`damn`
`18:23.14`	`cranchy_`	`wish I could reflash, but no power cord`
`18:23.17`	`cranchy_`	`here at work`
`18:23.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`eh?`
`18:24.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you don't need a power cord`
`18:24.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`to flash`
`18:24.08`	`cranchy_`	`to flash?`
`18:24.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`as long as your battery is pretty good`
`18:24.14`	`cranchy_`	`hmmm`
`18:24.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`just don't flash with 0 battery`
`18:24.33`	`kergoth`	`worst case it fails and you just reflash ( assuming you're flashing OZ, flashing sharp is more dangerous)`
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`18:24.40`	`cranchy_`	`k...`
`18:24.53`	`BuzzDat`	`hi all`
`18:25.50`	`cranchy_`	`what is the default zimage..the 48-16?`
`18:25.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`"default" ?`
`18:26.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`there is no default`
`18:26.02`	`cranchy_`	`well`
`18:26.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i use 40-24`
`18:26.06`	`cranchy_`	`the standard one`
`18:26.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i have a 40-24 with battery patch`
`18:26.12`	`cranchy_`	`k :)`
`18:26.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you want?`
`18:26.17`	`cranchy_`	`what does that do`
`18:26.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`gives accurate battery readings`
`18:26.28`	`cranchy_`	`sure`
`18:26.33`	`kergoth`	`finally got bc installed eh tmm1`
`18:26.33`	`kergoth`	`:P`
`18:26.36`	`*** join/#openzaurus tez (~tez@210.17.162.150)`
`18:27.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/zImage-5500-40memory-24storage.bin`
`18:27.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: heh, apt-get :)`
`18:27.23`	`BuzzDat`	`TheMasterMind: You mean you can see more then 4 battery states?`
`18:27.37`	`kergoth`	`BuzzDat: yep`
`18:27.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yes`
`18:27.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it gives you % readings`
`18:27.42`	`kergoth`	`BuzzDat: you see a %`
`18:27.43`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`18:28.15`	`BuzzDat`	`Way cool - I thought the battery was too "dumb" to provide this...`
`18:28.34`	`BuzzDat`	`You have that image posted somewhere?`
`18:28.49`	`cbok`	`re's.`
`18:28.53`	`cranchy_`	`or that the APM controller only had 4-stages`
`18:29.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`BuzzDat: i have a 40-24 built if you want that`
`18:29.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/zImage-5500-40memory-24storage.bin`
`18:29.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you'll lose your ram when you update`
`18:30.01`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: how stable is it?`
`18:30.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`flash only the zImage to preserve flash`
`18:30.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`AndyQ: stable? it doesn't crash. it works :)`
`18:30.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`we've had it in the buildroot for a while now`
`18:30.22`	`BuzzDat`	`Cool, I need to reflash anyway.`
`18:30.27`	`AndyQ`	`hehe -`
`18:30.28`	`BuzzDat`	`Thanks! ;)`
`18:30.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`tik wrote the patch a couple weeks after 3.0's release`
`18:32.00`	`BuzzDat`	`I hosed my OZ something awful last night - went to install opie-ftp with AQPKG, hit install to sd, came back and all packages had been uninstalled...`
`18:32.14`	`*** join/#openzaurus schurig (~schurig@p5080A4B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`18:32.26`	`BuzzDat`	`Don't know exactly how I managed that one... Thats what I get for flashing at 3am :)`
`18:32.50`	`schurig`	`Meeeouw!`
`18:33.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`schurig: sup`
`18:33.25`	`kergoth`	`hey schurig`
`18:33.36`	`kergoth`	`schurig: almost have prelinking working on the zaurus for opie :)`
`18:34.44`	`BuzzDat`	`TheMAsterMind: Is that image a stable build?`
`18:34.56`	`kergoth`	`BuzzDat: what image?`
`18:35.04`	`kergoth`	`BuzzDat: thats a -kernel-`
`18:35.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`18:35.53`	`cranchy_`	`does Opera work on OZ now?`
`18:36.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`cranchy_: yes.`
`18:36.14`	`*** join/#openzaurus ljp_work (~ljp@01-112.026.popsite.net)`
`18:36.27`	`cranchy_`	`TheMasterMind1: you have to rip from the sharp rom with the latest ripper though correct?`
`18:36.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`cranchy_: yes. but the latest creator is yet to be released`
`18:37.15`	`cranchy_`	`hey TheMasterMind1: everytime I insert a card...the command come up through opie...`
`18:37.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`?`
`18:37.30`	`cranchy_`	`like when insert the cf card I get a bunch of text on the screen`
`18:37.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`did you flash?`
`18:37.36`	`*** join/#openzaurus noda (~noda@modemcable136.245-202-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca)`
`18:37.39`	`noda`	`Moo!`
`18:37.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`with my zImage it does?`
`18:37.43`	`cranchy_`	`yeah\`
`18:37.46`	`noda`	`kergoth: ping`
`18:37.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm, kergoth i thought you said that was cuz of syslog`
`18:37.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`?`
`18:38.21`	`kergoth`	`noda: pong`
`18:38.23`	`*** part/#openzaurus BuzzDat (~BuzzDatt@12-229-187-187.client.attbi.com)`
`18:38.38`	`noda`	`kergoth: Buildroot not compiling! Whee! :)`
`18:38.44`	`noda`	`kergoth: I'm stuck in opie... one sec...`
`18:38.45`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: kernels built by the buildroot are -all- build with debug, even the nondebug ones atm :)`
`18:38.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`run debian`
`18:38.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: hah`
`18:38.57`	`noda`	/mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/staging/usr/lib/libqte.so: undefined reference to `QAction::toggled(bool)'
`18:38.58`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: stupid bug i havent bothered fixing while i work on important things`
`18:39.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok`
`18:39.07`	`noda`	`kergoth: Only, a zillion of those messages for a zillion different functions :)`
`18:39.08`	`lsmith`	`any updates to unstable?`
`18:39.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lsmith: nope`
`18:39.15`	`lsmith`	`k`
`18:39.21`	`lsmith`	`TheMasterMind1: dunno if you saw it`
`18:39.26`	`lsmith`	`i tested playing a movie`
`18:39.30`	`cranchy_`	`TheMasterMind1: anything simple I can do to avoid that`
`18:39.50`	`kergoth`	`cranchy_: you're using the kernel from tmm1?`
`18:39.51`	`lsmith`	`a small (less than a meg) one with a reasonable res worked fine`
`18:39.56`	`kergoth`	`cranchy_: nothing simple you can do. wait for another one`
`18:40.03`	`cranchy_`	`cause when I boot all the messages come up like a normal linux boot`
`18:40.06`	`AndyQ`	`lsmith: how was it encoded (audio & video)?`
`18:40.17`	`lsmith`	`running a desktop optimized movie via smbmount made the GUI lag so severly i couldnt do anything anymore`
`18:40.19`	`noda`	`kergoth: Any ideas? :)`
`18:40.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`noda: run debian!`
`18:40.43`	`lsmith`	`but the taskbar wasnt refreshed properly after stopping the movie`
`18:40.46`	`noda`	`TheMasterMind1: No thank you, I do NOT want to throw away all the hard work I've put into my perfect-for-me environment :)`
`18:40.47`	`lsmith`	`AndyQ: good question`
`18:40.59`	`kergoth`	`noda: not offhand, no.`
`18:41.14`	`noda`	`kergoth: Why on earth does this always happen to ME! :P`
`18:41.27`	`AndyQ`	`lsmith: coz I have a good one (full Mission Impossible - Mpeg4 & ogg) which doesn't play on current OZ mplayer but plays fine using xmms-e's mplayer`
`18:41.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`noda: because you don't run debian`
`18:41.29`	`kergoth`	`dunno, this stuff usually just -works- here`
`18:41.31`	`noda`	`Is there any way I could run an arm-linux-ldd or something to see why these references are missing?`
`18:41.31`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`18:41.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`AndyQ: how big is that?`
`18:41.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`AndyQ: the full MI`
`18:41.47`	`kergoth`	`AndyQ: odd`
`18:42.04`	`schurig`	`kergoth: Hmm, that sound's nice. Didn't know that prelinking is that good. I've heard about problem on 'x86 with KDE. But that was months ago ...`
`18:42.07`	`kergoth`	`noda: arm-linux-objdump, arm-linux-nm`
`18:42.23`	`lsmith`	`noda: what is the eta on your news system?`
`18:42.33`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: got it down to just slightly over 128mb - I know I can get it to completely fit on a 128Mb CF card but just haven't tuned my ripping parameters yet`
`18:42.44`	`kergoth`	`noda: whats next on the todo for openzaurus.org?`
`18:42.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`AndyQ: nice`
`18:43.03`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: And its completely watchable - hardly any jerks or anything - sooo cool!`
`18:43.05`	`lsmith`	`actually is there even a need for a real news system?`
`18:43.15`	`lsmith`	`i mean a static page will probably do for now ..`
`18:43.16`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: pissed the Ipaq guys at work off :)`
`18:43.23`	`lsmith`	`no need for categories and stuff ..?`
`18:43.26`	`noda`	`kergoth: A generic "filtering" thing so pages such as FAQ browsing can be written much more easily. The FAQ one for example will integrate searches and categories, and it'll also allow you to show answers on the same pages as questions, etc, etc.`
`18:43.37`	`kergoth`	`noda: ah cool cool`
`18:43.49`	`noda`	`kergoth: However, the next thing on the TODO for me is to do this contract I've got.`
`18:43.51`	`kergoth`	`I need volunteers to research bug tracking systems and/or task management systems`
`18:43.55`	`kergoth`	`noda: yup, i know :)`
`18:44.01`	`lsmith`	`kergoth: i could try and maintain a static html page with infos on the current unstable feed`
`18:44.15`	`noda`	`kergoth: heh, my contract is kinda like a bug-tracking system. It could probably become one with 10 hours' worth of hacking after I'm done it.`
`18:44.20`	`lsmith`	`warnings, test requests, when unstable was last updated, quirks and work arounds`
`18:44.23`	`noda`	`kergoth: And my employer wouldn't mind if I made it GPL :)`
`18:44.23`	`cbok`	`uhm kergoth`
`18:44.29`	`cbok`	`you still owe me a book title`
`18:44.38`	`kergoth`	`hey yeah, good point`
`18:44.39`	`*** part/#openzaurus cranchy_ (~cranch@53h.augie.edu)`
`18:44.53`	`noda`	`But don't wait for me, if you find something else go for it :)`
`18:44.55`	`kergoth`	`ask chouimat, he has a number of operating systems book recommendations that he gave me the other day but i wasnt able to write down`
`18:45.00`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`18:45.20`	`kergoth`	`lol`
`18:45.21`	`cbok`	`:-D`
`18:45.32`	`cbok`	`you aren't that disorganized...`
`18:45.34`	`cbok`	`or...`
`18:45.39`	`cbok`	`perhaps you are and we just dont know it yet..`
`18:45.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol`
`18:46.02`	`kergoth`	`not a matter of disorganization, its a matter of lack of focus on extranious things atm`
`18:46.10`	`kergoth`	`well that and the fact that my memory is rather atrocious`
`18:46.11`	`lsmith`	`laters`
`18:46.24`	`kergoth`	`why do you think i bought a zaurus? so it could beep at my ass and remind me to do things :)`
`18:46.27`	`cbok`	`kergoth - ADD?`
`18:46.42`	`cbok`	`perhaps you should get on some medication`
`18:46.42`	`kergoth`	`not at all`
`18:46.49`	`kergoth`	`-intentional- lack of focus on -extranious- things`
`18:46.54`	`kergoth`	`in other words, i'm focused`
`18:46.56`	`kergoth`	`~lart cbok`
`18:47.07`	`cbok`	`i'll ask you in another month kergoth`
`18:47.16`	`cbok`	`perhaps you'll have made up your mind after x-mas`
`18:47.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`grep -v`
`18:47.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`funstuff`
`18:47.49`	`kergoth`	`chouimat: hey, what were those OS book recommendations you gave me the other day again?`
`18:47.54`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: yeap`
`18:47.57`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: spiffy`
`18:48.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i had to patch xmms-e so freaky heavily to get it to build`
`18:48.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`actualy it was the same patch over and over to many files`
`18:48.41`	`kergoth`	`fun`
`18:48.44`	`kergoth`	`to do what?`
`18:48.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`make it build`
`18:48.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`18:48.49`	`kergoth`	`btw`
`18:48.55`	`kergoth`	`for any autoconf builds`
`18:48.56`	`kergoth`	`./configure`
`18:49.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`include paths were hardcoded to use /usr/include/gtk and all that`
`18:49.06`	`kergoth`	`do a install $(TOPDIR)/scripts/config.cache $(SourceTree)/`
`18:49.09`	`kergoth`	`before ./configure`
`18:49.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok`
`18:49.18`	`kergoth`	`thats a cache of sane test results for linux-arm`
`18:49.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`great`
`18:50.00`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: we'll be needing a test results dir with results for autoconf for various architectures`
`18:50.07`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: like for chouimat's sh4 build and the like`
`18:52.37`	`noda`	`BANDERA, Texas (Reuters) - A jury on Thursday handed a life prison`
`18:52.37`	`noda`	`sentence to a Texas man who shot and killed a longtime friend he accused`
`18:52.37`	`noda`	`of drinking the last beer in his refrigerator.`
`18:52.37`	`noda`	`Jurors deliberated for less than two hours before passing the sentence`
`18:52.38`	`noda`	`on Steven Brasher, 42, for the murder of Willie Lawson, 39, on Nov. 5`
`18:52.40`	`noda`	`last year. "There was only two beers left, so I took one, and I told`
`18:52.42`	`noda`	`Willie not to take my last beer," Brasher said in a taped statement that`
`18:52.44`	`noda`	`was played during the trial. Testimony showed Brasher shot Lawson in`
`18:52.46`	`noda`	`the head with a pistol after the two began arguing over the missing`
`18:52.48`	`noda`	`beer. Brasher maintained the shooting was an accident.`
`18:52.52`	`noda`	`<-- I think we can all relate :)`
`18:54.07`	`schurig`	`kergoth: Hmm, I copied my .ssh identy for schurig from my work-linuxbox to my home-linux box. When I do "bk clone http://openzaurus@openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot-oz oz" I am still asked for a password to login. Do you have any clue?`
`18:55.49`	`noda`	`kergoth: a-ha! I think I found my problem :)`
`18:55.58`	`noda`	make[4]: Entering directory `/mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/opie/scripts/kconfig'
`18:55.58`	`noda`	`Makefile:26: Unable to locate libqt.so!`
`18:56.09`	`kergoth`	`noda: harmless`
`18:56.11`	`noda`	`Does that look like it could be it? That's WAY up higher on the output, but it's in the opie dir...`
`18:56.13`	`noda`	`Damn :(`
`18:56.48`	`noda`	`I'm friggin' lost here...`
`18:57.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: any luck with that pic stuff?`
`18:57.12`	`noda`	`The errors start here then:`
`18:57.14`	`noda`	`arm-linux-g++ -L/mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/staging/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath-link,/mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/output/staging/usr/lib -o /mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/opie/bin/addressbook main.o addressbook.o contacteditor.o ocontactfields.o ablabel.o abtable.o picker.o configdlg.o abconfig.o abview.o configdlg_base.o moc_addressbook.o moc_contacteditor.o moc_ablabel.o moc_abtable.o moc_picker.o moc_ofloatbar.o moc_configdlg.o moc`
`18:57.14`	`noda`	`_configdlg_base.o -Wl,-rpath,/mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-beta2/lib -L/mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-beta2/lib -lqpe -lopie -lqte`
`18:57.14`	`noda`	picker.o: In function `LetterPicker::~LetterPicker(void)':
`18:57.21`	`Onyx4`	`TheMasterMind1: why libjpeg was required for knights?`
`18:57.34`	`Onyx4`	`TheMasterMind1: I thought the tmake was supposed to take care of that , maybe the profile is wrong?`
`18:57.41`	`*** join/#openzaurus FrenchToastMan (~FrenchToa@12-229-187-187.client.attbi.com)`
`18:57.42`	`noda`	`I'll try making QT again.`
`18:58.13`	`*** join/#openzaurus hardwire (~hardwire@12-252-5-124.client.attbi.com)`
`18:58.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Onyx4: i dunno, it wasn't working. libqte was linked to libjpeg and it was complaining of unresolved symbols`
`18:58.34`	`Onyx4`	`ok interesting...`
`18:58.42`	`Onyx4`	`now its working?`
`18:58.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yep`
`18:58.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i built and tested`
`18:58.50`	`Onyx4`	`cool`
`18:59.05`	`hardwire`	`anybody wanna play bzflag.. mail.tdxnet.com 5155`
`18:59.59`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: heres the situation`
`19:00.00`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`19:00.14`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: libqte on sharp links in libjpeg staticly, along with zlib and libpng3`
`19:00.22`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: apps using qt then dont need to link them in directly`
`19:00.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: sandman did it!`
`19:00.28`	`kergoth`	`Onyx4: OZ uses the system's libjpeg.so`
`19:00.47`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: i know`
`19:00.54`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: i was talking to him when he did it`
`19:01.33`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`19:03.29`	`*** join/#openzaurus ljp_work (~ljp@04-067.026.popsite.net)`
`19:08.33`	`noda`	`kergoth: I rebuilt QT and it's working :)`
`19:08.41`	`kergoth`	`good good`
`19:08.44`	`kergoth`	`weird, but good`
`19:09.29`	`noda`	`kergoth: It's because... well, because moc won't compile so I copied the one from my /usr/local/qt2/bin.`
`19:09.35`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`19:09.39`	`noda`	`kergoth: But the first time I compiled I guess I didn't copy it over early enough.`
`19:09.58`	`noda`	`So this time I had the arm-linux-g++ compile moc and then put a sleep 5 in the makefile, so I'd have time to copy over the proper moc and uic :)`
`19:10.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`19:10.10`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`19:10.11`	`kergoth`	`hack`
`19:10.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`cheap`
`19:10.15`	`ciao_linux`	`what version of designer can work with Qtopia?`
`19:10.17`	`noda`	`hack? lol :P`
`19:10.20`	`noda`	`You don't say`
`19:10.36`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
`19:11.25`	`hardwire`	`no bzflag for you guys?`
`19:11.26`	`hardwire`	`:)`
`19:12.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`are libs supposed to be 755?`
`19:12.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`quick tell me`
`19:12.27`	`noda`	`I sure hope so :P`
`19:12.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`quickquickquick`
`19:12.38`	`noda`	`yes`
`19:12.38`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`19:15.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`install -m 755 /home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/build/libmikmod-3.1.10/libmikmod/.libs/libmikmod.so.2.0.4 /home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/build/ipktemp/libmikmod-3.1.10-1/lib/`
`19:15.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what's wrong with that?`
`19:16.02`	`kergoth`	`mikmod goes in /lib?`
`19:16.06`	`kergoth`	`that seems likea /usr/lib thing`
`19:16.10`	`kergoth`	`nothign wrong with that line though`
`19:16.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`19:16.13`	`kergoth`	`as long as lib already exists`
`19:16.17`	`kergoth`	`i.e. you did a mkdir/install -d`
`19:16.18`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`19:16.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i thought we were getting rid of /usr/ ?`
`19:16.21`	`kergoth`	`no`
`19:16.26`	`kergoth`	`we're getting rid of /usr in STAGING`
`19:16.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`that's what schurig said`
`19:16.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`right, i'm putting that in staging lib`
`19:16.40`	`kergoth`	`eh?`
`19:16.43`	`kergoth`	`looks like ipktemp to me`
`19:17.02`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`19:17.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm, something's not right`
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`19:20.36`	`kergoth`	`hey chouimat`
`19:24.48`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: any news?`
`19:25.05`	`kergoth`	`regarding..?`
`19:25.20`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: the search path`
`19:25.48`	`kergoth`	`not yet`
`19:25.50`	`kergoth`	`working on prelink`
`19:33.21`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: working?`
`19:33.38`	`kergoth`	`chouimat: yes, but we've got an elusive lib that was build without PIC`
`19:33.41`	`kergoth`	`chouimat: and its stopping it from working the whole way`
`19:37.05`	`kergoth`	`i'll throw together a prelink capable 2.95 toolchain soon`
`19:37.59`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: with 2.3.1?`
`19:42.00`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`19:42.00`	`Twiun`	`beattie: how goes it?`
`19:52.27`	`beattie`	`I working on the options to ./configure right now`
`19:56.31`	`Twiun`	`I'm reworking the qtawt to use peers (instead of calling Toolkit.<classAcronym>function)`
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`19:59.14`	`beattie`	`th ecurrent kaffe sources have awt-at integrated in them, hos is this going to interact with what you are doing?`
`19:59.41`	`Twiun`	`actually not very much... the way kaffe does awt is completely different to other jvm`
`19:59.55`	`Twiun`	`which means I can reuse chunks of code, but not everywhere`
`20:00.03`	`Twiun`	`and I certainly can't just plug it in`
`20:00.47`	`chouimat`	`kaffe is shit`
`20:01.14`	`Twiun`	`chouimat: It's more compliant to the jvm specs than Wonka atm though`
`20:01.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`wow, i think its done`
`20:01.26`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: what is?`
`20:01.29`	`Twiun`	`chouimat: I'll attack those issues once I've done qtawt`
`20:01.55`	`chouimat`	`Twiun: qtwat work?`
`20:02.32`	`Twiun`	`chouimat: if you mean "Can I show a qt window from java" then yeah, if you want something that can run normal programs - no, not yet`
`20:02.52`	`Twiun`	`chouimat: I've got a hell of a lot of rewriting - and learning to do ;-)`
`20:03.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: xmms-e build`
`20:03.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`now to create patches and stuff from all the things i had to do to get it to compile`
`20:03.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`shoudl be fun`
`20:03.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`then i need to figure out how to make multiple ipks in makefiles`
`20:03.51`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: nice`
`20:05.33`	`chouimat`	`http://www.1112.net/lastpage.html`
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`20:06.25`	`weissi`	`is the bug-list @ sourceforge.net correct?`
`20:06.35`	`weissi`	`or is it outdated?`
`20:07.14`	`kergoth`	`needs a bit of cleanup`
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`20:11.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: how do i do multipel ipks`
`20:11.12`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: check out ncurses`
`20:11.43`	`weissi`	`ok, is the bug with the unchangeble keyboard layout still actual in oz3.0?`
`20:11.47`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: 1) add its ipk stamp to the prerequisites for the 'ipk' target, and make that stamp depend on a rootinstall stamp for that ipk, and setup the ipk temp dir var for it`
`20:11.51`	`kergoth`	`weissi: its not an openzaurus bug`
`20:12.02`	`kergoth`	`weissi: its a Lineo bug in the code for both sharp and openzaurus`
`20:12.07`	`kergoth`	`weissi: but yes, it still exists`
`20:12.41`	`weissi`	`kergoth: so, if I'd install oz3.0, there's no way to change it?`
`20:12.46`	`kergoth`	`?`
`20:12.50`	`kergoth`	`theres no way for you to change it now`
`20:12.55`	`kergoth`	`i dont understand the question`
`20:13.11`	`kergoth`	`if you mean for german hardware keyboard layout, there is an ipk that hacks around the problem, it works quite well so i hear`
`20:13.18`	`weissi`	`kergoth: oh, is this lineo bug not fixable?`
`20:13.21`	`kergoth`	`and gives you a german hardware keyboard layout on a german rom`
`20:13.24`	`kergoth`	`weissi: of course its fixable`
`20:13.27`	`schurig`	`kergoth: apropo multiple ipks: the gconv ipkg is always generated, even when it's disable in the config system ...`
`20:13.34`	`nobse`	`kergoth: when do you think to create an updated feed with the actual missing packages?`
`20:13.37`	`kergoth`	`weissi: you think i have time to be fixing -every- lineo bug?`
`20:13.48`	`ljp_work`	`yes`
`20:13.50`	`kergoth`	`schurig: for libc 2.2.4 or 2.3.1?`
`20:13.52`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`20:13.56`	`schurig`	`kergoth: 2.2.4`
`20:13.58`	`ljp_work`	`while your at it.. get to that audio thingy`
`20:14.01`	`kergoth`	`schurig: 2.3.1 shouldnt be, its cleaned up`
`20:14.12`	`weissi`	`kergoth: ah ok, so source is available and it's going to be fixed in the next release, right?`
`20:14.13`	`kergoth`	`schurig: yeah, i'll be moving some of the 2.3.1 cleanups back into the 2.2.4 makefile today`
`20:14.18`	`kergoth`	`weissi: how should i know?`
`20:14.31`	`kergoth`	`weissi: it'll be fixed when i fix it, unless you feel like doing it for me?`
`20:14.33`	`schurig`	`kergoth: I never used 2.3.1 up to now ... does 2.3.1 also work with gcc2.95?`
`20:14.46`	`kergoth`	`schurig: it must be compiled with 3.2`
`20:14.58`	`schurig`	`(gcc 3.2 is known to be buggy for xscale, I came not around to update that to gcc 3.2.1 ...)`
`20:15.06`	`weissi`	`kergoth: is it a kernel bug, or where is it?`
`20:15.11`	`kergoth`	`weissi: yes, kernel`
`20:15.17`	`kergoth`	`weissi: its a badly designed keyboard driver.`
`20:15.21`	`kergoth`	`weissi: thats all it comes down to`
`20:15.28`	`kergoth`	`weissi: there is no 'fix' short of rewriting it from scratch`
`20:15.34`	`kergoth`	`weissi: thank Sharp and Lineo for that one`
`20:15.40`	`weissi`	`kergoth: ok, so I don't think I'm able to ;-))`
`20:15.59`	`schurig`	`Heh, I just wrote a keyboard driver :-) (but for a different hardware)`
`20:16.09`	`kergoth`	`schurig: i threw one together for this as well, but never finished it`
`20:16.19`	`kergoth`	`schurig: really not that difficult`
`20:16.24`	`kergoth`	`schurig: btw, i love the input layer!`
`20:16.26`	`kergoth`	`schurig: :)`
`20:16.52`	`schurig`	`kergoth: Hmm, I made it complicated ... because kernel-2.5 makes so heavy use of input layer, I also decided to base my keyboard-driver on it, even for linux-2.4`
`20:17.17`	`schurig`	`kergoth: but that needed some tweaks (to be read recently in linux-kernel-arm or whatever the mailing list name is, I always forget)`
`20:17.26`	`kergoth`	`schurig: ah ha, i was going to do something similar for the Z's driver`
`20:17.40`	`kergoth`	`schurig: the LAK acronym is the only way i ever remember the name of that list :)`
`20:17.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`grr. what apin`
`20:17.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what a pain`
`20:17.59`	`schurig`	`btw: can I delete packages/gcc-3.2-initial?`
`20:18.03`	`kergoth`	`schurig: no`
`20:18.06`	`kergoth`	`schurig: it is required.`
`20:18.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`nooooo!`
`20:18.17`	`kergoth`	`schurig: you cannot build a toolchain without a two pass gcc build`
`20:18.29`	`kergoth`	`schurig: well, unless you rely on the user already having an existing toolchain`
`20:18.33`	`kergoth`	`schurig: and i dont want to rely on that`
`20:18.50`	`schurig`	`Ahh, I did not get that ...`
`20:19.00`	`kergoth`	`schurig: gcc depends on glibc, glibc depends on gcc`
`20:19.02`	`kergoth`	`schurig: fun stuff`
`20:19.28`	`kergoth`	`schurig: first pass is built with the inhibit glibc hack, because no existing glibc is available, then that half built gcc is used to build glibc, then gcc is build properly`
`20:19.40`	`weissi`	`kergoth: thnx, and the hang-on-cradle bug, it is still actual, too?`
`20:19.43`	`kergoth`	`schurig: hehe, its good, i love the buildroot cleanups you do`
`20:19.49`	`kergoth`	`weissi: no one can reproduce it to fix it`
`20:19.58`	`kergoth`	`weissi: never happens to me`
`20:20.04`	`kergoth`	`weissi: if you can reproduce it, help diagnose it`
`20:20.20`	`weissi`	`kergoth: but @sourceforge, there are the other people who had it...`
`20:20.26`	`kergoth`	`weissi: yes, randomly`
`20:20.38`	`kergoth`	`weissi: can they reproduce it on command? not that i know of`
`20:20.56`	`kergoth`	`and without the ability to reproduce, that makes debugging a bitch`
`20:21.12`	`schurig`	`kergoth: Hmm, I see gcc-3.2.1 in the debian pool. Maybe I try to update those toolchains ... or shouldn't I to allow OZ-unstable to stabilize?`
`20:21.25`	`weissi`	`kergoth: ah ok, then another(probably the last) question: when will oz3.1 be released, do you already know it?`
`20:21.25`	`kergoth`	`schurig: hehe. feel free to update`
`20:21.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`grr, i dont' wanna write all this stuff to make multiple ipks`
`20:21.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`weissi: when its ready`
`20:21.45`	`kergoth`	`weissi: no timeline as of yet. i'd say within a couple weeks, rc1 in a week`
`20:21.58`	`weissi`	`kergoth & TheMasterMind1: thnx`
`20:22.03`	`kergoth`	`np`
`20:22.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`eh? i thought we released rc1 like 3 days ago ;)`
`20:22.21`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: we should probably put up a timeline deal`
`20:22.23`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: on the site`
`20:22.31`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: nah, i didnt release rc1, opiealarm isnt done`
`20:22.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: yea, not a bad idea`
`20:22.36`	`kergoth`	`shit`
`20:22.42`	`kergoth`	`i added an assload of debugging to opiealarm`
`20:22.46`	`kergoth`	`then promptly make clean'd my tree`
`20:23.43`	`kergoth`	`schurig: could be, used the latest i found in the pool`
`20:23.46`	`kergoth`	`schurig: (at the time)`
`20:30.48`	`schurig`	`Hmm, by date gcc-3.2_3.2.2ds0.orig.tar.gz is newer then gcc-3.2_3.2.1ds6.orig.tar.gz ... is this some pre-release?`
`20:34.43`	`schurig`	`Hmm, I will try this version :-)`
`20:34.43`	`chouimat`	`schurig: 3.2.2`
`20:38.37`	`schurig`	`When one build the toolchain on Mdk 8.2:`
`20:38.38`	`schurig`	`cd /usr/src/ramses/oz/build/binutils-2.13.90.0.14; debian/rules setup`
`20:38.40`	`schurig`	`�?@`�?@h -e/bin/bash: dpkg-architecture: command not found
`20:38.41`	`ljp_work`	`do the britney spears tapes`
`20:39.15`	`chouimat`	`ljp_work: urk! I will transfert "Coroner" or "Celtic Frsot"`
`20:40.09`	`chouimat`	`schurig: I got the same on gentoo`
`20:40.20`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: remove that fucking debian crap`
`20:40.56`	`NightStar`	`schurig: I'm getting the same thing.`
`20:42.20`	`NightStar`	`How stable is the unstable feed now?`
`20:42.49`	`ljp_work`	`stable as a quark`
`20:43.34`	`chouimat`	`ljp_work: huh? a ferengi stable?`
`20:43.45`	`NightStar`	`More stable than an electron then?`
`20:44.30`	`ljp_work`	`uhhh..`
`20:44.40`	`nobse`	`hell! writing on sd cards is so fucking slow.`
`20:44.46`	`ljp_work`	`heh`
`20:45.59`	`nobse`	`Is it normal that sysinfo says its running on a SL5000?`
`20:46.44`	`kergoth`	`schurig: oops, yeah i know :)`
`20:47.01`	`kergoth`	`schurig: need to do the same thing i do in the libc6-2.3.1 makefile to extract and apply the debian patches manually`
`20:52.05`	`schurig`	`kergoth: thanks for the tip, will look into that...`
`20:53.13`	`kergoth`	`schurig: np. you want to take care of it or should i? should probably make a gcc-3.2-common or something to hold the Sources, etc, common variables and targets and 'include' them in gcc-3.2-initial and gcc-3.2`
`20:53.21`	`kergoth`	`schurig: unless you've got a better solution for that piece`
`20:54.44`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: was thinking maybe LPRng and PIMPrint can be handy to have in OZ`
`20:54.50`	`schurig`	`kergoth: I don't --- I'm not that big in into it like you. However, if you have other things to do ... I'd dive in.`
`20:55.04`	`kergoth`	`schurig: okay, i'll take care of it. :)`
`20:57.05`	`kergoth`	`schurig: want to push the updated Sources= for gcc and i'll take care of the rest?`
`20:58.39`	`tux_mike`	`kergoth: it's not busybox mount`
`20:59.12`	`tux_mike`	`kergoth: and what CVS version do you want?`
`20:59.28`	`kergoth`	`tux_mike: ?`
`20:59.35`	`kergoth`	`tux_mike: 'ipkg info busybox'`
`20:59.40`	`tux_mike`	`NFS problems`
`20:59.42`	`kergoth`	`tux_mike: we generally use a recent busybox snapshot`
`20:59.51`	`kergoth`	`tux_mike: and update that version to latest after testing it`
`21:00.07`	`schurig`	`kergoth: maybe there would be one gcc-3.2 directory with common, 1ststage and 2ndstage in it`
`21:00.31`	`kergoth`	`schurig: yeah, that would be better structured anyway`
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`21:03.04`	`tux_mike`	`kergoth: plus util-linux-mount won't mount mtdram6`
`21:03.11`	`kergoth`	`tux_mike: works fine here.`
`21:03.15`	`kergoth`	`tux_mike: and its mtdblock6`
`21:03.21`	`kergoth`	`tux_mike: whats the behavior you're seeing?`
`21:03.43`	`kergoth`	`at least, it worked the last time i tested it, which was a long ass time ago :)`
`21:04.29`	`tux_mike`	`NFS will not mount. mount just hangs. Util-linux-mount errors out on bootup, it says no filesystem type specified for mtdblock6`
`21:04.40`	`kergoth`	`..`
`21:05.05`	`tux_mike`	`kergoth: what CVS did you want me to upgrade to?`
`21:05.23`	`kergoth`	`what cvs of what?`
`21:05.23`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`21:05.33`	`tux_mike`	`what version of CVS`
`21:05.38`	`tux_mike`	`your message you left me`
`21:05.38`	`kergoth`	`of what package?`
`21:05.42`	`kergoth`	`oh`
`21:05.46`	`kergoth`	`what do you mean what cvs`
`21:05.49`	`kergoth`	`'cvs' is installed`
`21:05.53`	`kergoth`	`upgrade it`
`21:05.53`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`21:06.01`	`kergoth`	`not sure what version is required, let me doublecheck`
`21:07.13`	`kergoth`	`tux_mike: 1.11.2 or higher`
`21:07.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`tux_mike: mount -o nolock -t nfs server:/mount /mnt/network`
`21:07.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you need the -o nolock for it not to hang`
`21:07.59`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: that in the faq? :)`
`21:08.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`prolly not`
`21:08.22`	`tux_mike`	`TheMasterMind1: it shouldn't hang as mount server:/mount /mnt/point`
`21:08.50`	`kergoth`	`tux_mike: and? it obviously does`
`21:08.54`	`kergoth`	`so you have a workaround`
`21:08.58`	`kergoth`	`use it`
`21:09.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`tux_mike: it does because you don't have a locking daemon thing`
`21:09.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i don't remember the details`
`21:09.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`but you need nolock`
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`21:09.54`	`tux_mike`	`hrm... the sharp roms have that running then`
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`21:10.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`21:10.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: how do i do vim replace on the next 4 lines`
`21:10.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`:,4s/ ?`
`21:10.39`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: :.,+4s/blah/heh/g`
`21:10.54`	`kergoth`	`at least thats how i ususally do ti`
`21:12.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`thanks`
`21:12.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`jeez`
`21:12.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`a 148 line makefile`
`21:12.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and i have one more ipk entry to add`
`21:13.56`	`tux_mike`	`my grandparent's dog is the worst dog in the world`
`21:14.29`	`tux_mike`	`the damn thing will not shut up`
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`21:15.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`argh, i fucked it up it seems`
`21:15.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it doesn't work`
`21:15.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	Makefile:96: warning: overriding commands for target `/home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/build/ipktemp/xmms-e-20021205-2/CONTROL/control'
`21:15.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	Makefile:52: warning: ignoring old commands for target `/home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/build/ipktemp/xmms-e-20021205-2/CONTROL/control'
`21:15.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	Makefile:106: warning: overriding commands for target `/home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/build/ipktemp/xmms-e-20021205-2/CONTROL/control'
`21:15.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`?`
`21:16.26`	`tux_mike`	`kergoth: i'm configuring cvs with just --prefix=/usr unless you want something else`
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`21:17.30`	`kergoth`	`tux_mike: thats fine`
`21:17.45`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: you didnt setup a seperate rootinstall var for the second ipk`
`21:19.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`each has a seperate one`
`21:19.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`5 ipks, each with seperate var`
`21:20.23`	`kergoth`	`well its user error`
`21:20.25`	`kergoth`	`:P`
`21:20.29`	`kergoth`	`dunno what`
`21:20.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea, no duh`
`21:20.33`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`21:20.35`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i'll push and let you look at it`
`21:20.38`	`kergoth`	`k`
`21:21.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok so what are those commands to figure out all the files you changed and added`
`21:21.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`bk diffs and bk sfiles`
`21:21.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`something like that`
`21:22.29`	`tux_mike`	`kergoth: done`
`21:22.43`	`kergoth`	`tux_mike: thanks!`
`21:22.54`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: okay bk pending shows you ci'd stuff that hasnt been committed`
`21:22.59`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: bk -r diffs shows you changes that arent ci'd`
`21:23.10`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: bk sfiles -x shows files that arent 'add'd`
`21:23.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`gotcha`
`21:23.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`takepatch: 26 new revisions, 0 conflicts in 15 files`
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`21:24.48`	`midway`	`greets`
`21:24.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so what happened to prelinking`
`21:25.05`	`kergoth`	`working on it still`
`21:25.09`	`kergoth`	`sandman is too`
`21:25.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`k`
`21:25.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: bk pull and look at xmms-e/Makefile`
`21:25.37`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: k`
`21:29.02`	`Midway_`	`something new about the keramik-icons? ^^`
`21:29.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`keramix?`
`21:29.42`	`benmeyer`	`kde3`
`21:29.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the crystal icons?`
`21:29.59`	`Midway_`	`ah ja crystal sorry :o)`
`21:30.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`benmeyer: you worked on any of those bugs i submitted ;0)`
`21:30.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Midway_: apparently they denied permission to use it`
`21:30.29`	`Midway_`	`interesting :-/`
`21:30.42`	`billytwowilly`	`aren't the crystal icons under the GPL?`
`21:30.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`but daworm's working on a icon loader so you can download the icons and load them with that`
`21:30.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`billytwowilly: yea, i think so`
`21:30.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`shrug`
`21:31.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`talk to daworm about it`
`21:31.00`	`benmeyer`	`alyou know what we need is virtualgirl for the Zaurus! haha we have a bible so porn can't be far behind`
`21:31.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`when he's around`
`21:31.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`21:31.12`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`21:31.16`	`kergoth`	`i just want a pingizauru tamagotchi`
`21:31.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol`
`21:31.26`	`benmeyer`	`TheMasterMind1: Some of them are already fixed in cvs, will work on the rest monday`
`21:31.28`	`Midway_`	`lol`
`21:31.50`	`benmeyer`	`where there is the hourse tamagatchi`
`21:32.24`	`benmeyer`	`feed pingizauru or he gets mad and eats files! hehe`
`21:32.31`	`kergoth`	`exactly`
`21:32.37`	`kergoth`	`he should be tempermental`
`21:32.42`	`benmeyer`	`and with a speaker he could make funny noises`
`21:32.42`	`benmeyer`	`haha`
`21:32.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`http://www.patrick.fm/boobies/boobies.php?text=OpenZaurus`
`21:33.03`	`kergoth`	`lol`
`21:33.11`	`benmeyer`	`um...`
`21:33.18`	`benmeyer`	`haha I get it`
`21:33.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol`
`21:34.16`	`Midway_`	`http://www.patrick.fm/boobies/boobies.php?text=benmeyer ^^`
`21:34.21`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`21:34.28`	`Midway_`	`g`
`21:34.36`	`*** join/#openzaurus aPoX (apox@apox.warez.com)`
`21:34.39`	`kergoth`	`http://www.patrick.fm/boobies/boobies.php?text=pingizauru`
`21:34.41`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
`21:34.45`	`benmeyer`	`(c)!`
`21:34.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: any luck with that makefile?`
`21:35.21`	`chouimat`	`http://www.patrick.fm/boobies/boobies.php?text=SEX :)`
`21:35.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`gr`
`21:35.56`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: how large is your libqte.so.2.3.4 on your Z atm?`
`21:36.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`3641376`
`21:36.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`huge.`
`21:36.54`	`kergoth`	`spiffy`
`21:36.58`	`kergoth`	`dynamically linking zlib and png`
`21:37.02`	`kergoth`	`gives us 3075272`
`21:37.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`nice`
`21:37.08`	`kergoth`	`course libpng is 142k`
`21:37.11`	`kergoth`	`but it still saves us space`
`21:37.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol`
`21:37.13`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`21:37.22`	`kergoth`	`quite a bit actually`
`21:37.23`	`kergoth`	`thats spiffy`
`21:40.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i have no idea what i'm doing`
`21:40.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: fix it!`
`21:40.49`	`kergoth`	`i'm beating prelink into submission`
`21:40.50`	`kergoth`	`just wait`
`21:40.51`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`21:41.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`done yet?`
`21:41.28`	`kergoth`	`no`
`21:41.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`21:41.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`did you find the thing that wasn't pic ?`
`21:43.00`	`kergoth`	`well`
`21:43.05`	`kergoth`	`not sure`
`21:43.16`	`kergoth`	`i'm still getting a R_ARM_PC24 overflow on my libqpe prelink`
`21:43.21`	`kergoth`	`sandman has his libqpe prelinking`
`21:43.28`	`kergoth`	`but his other libs are not PIC`
`21:43.35`	`kergoth`	`all of our libs are PIC as far as i can tell`
`21:43.42`	`kergoth`	`zlib is, libpng is, libjpeg is, libqte is..`
`21:44.39`	`pb_`	`kergoth: if you are seeing R_ARM_PC24, there must be non-PIC code leaking into the mix somehow.`
`21:44.48`	`kergoth`	`pb_: yeah, thats what i figured`
`21:44.51`	`kergoth`	`pb_: just a matter of finding it..`
`21:45.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`R_ARM_PC24 relocation out of range?`
`21:45.13`	`kergoth`	`no, overflow`
`21:45.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok`
`21:45.19`	`pb_`	`kergoth: try objdump --dynamic-reloc *.so \| grep PC24`
`21:46.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`whoa`
`21:46.05`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`21:46.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`there's a lot in staging/usr/lib`
`21:46.13`	`kergoth`	`pb_: what am i looking for? :) its existance, or not`
`21:46.36`	`pb_`	`kergoth: if you get any output from that command, you have a problem.`
`21:46.45`	`kergoth`	`aha`
`21:46.48`	`kergoth`	`my libqpe`
`21:47.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`21:47.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`fun`
`21:47.16`	`kergoth`	`ohhh yeah`
`21:47.17`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`21:47.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`well, while you wait for it to build, fix my makefile`
`21:47.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`21:48.44`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what dir in opie builds libqpe`
`21:49.21`	`kergoth`	`okay i think i found it`
`21:49.22`	`kergoth`	`library`
`21:49.42`	`aPoX`	`heh kergoth, that boobies thing is really clever`
`21:49.48`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: you know, the fact that our CFLAGS is exported into the environment in Vars.make causes problems in some builds, i think we should kill it and start passing it on every make line directly`
`21:50.05`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: its overiding variables in some buildsystems that have things that are required :)`
`21:50.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`21:50.42`	`kergoth`	`they'll still be set, just not exported`
`21:50.50`	`kergoth`	`so if you want to use it, export it in your package makefile`
`21:50.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`fun.`
`21:51.53`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: now after i do this, watch your compiles, make sure everything is still using optimizations`
`21:52.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok`
`22:08.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: progress?`
`22:08.45`	`nobse`	`mc`
`22:08.47`	`nobse`	`ups`
`22:12.43`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: waiting for opie to build`
`22:13.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: fix my makefile`
`22:13.14`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: everything looks fine`
`22:13.19`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: cant test cause it depends on opie`
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`22:13.51`	`AndyQ`	`hi there`
`22:14.34`	`AndyQ`	`hmmmm, be vewy qwiet, we'we huntin wabbits........`
`22:17.50`	`kergoth`	`-ldl -lcry`
`22:17.52`	`kergoth`	`pt -lm -lqte`
`22:17.53`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
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`22:18.14`	`AndyQ`	`damn PC crashed - PAH!`
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`22:27.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh, shouldn't run windows`
`22:27.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`grr, this stupid makefile`
`22:27.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i wanna test xmms-e`
`22:28.00`	`Onyx4`	`I wonder if xmms-e could be used to control my desktop xmms?`
`22:28.08`	`AndyQ`	`hehe - I wish I could switch to linux but I just can't`
`22:28.10`	`Onyx4`	`like change sons on my receiver and such`
`22:28.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh, i had a dual boot system for a while`
`22:28.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i have run redhat, mandrake, slack`
`22:28.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`then one day i installed debian`
`22:28.39`	`pb_`	`kergoth, any luck tracking down those stray relocs?`
`22:28.41`	`AndyQ`	`I don't even have a dual boot - current run linux in vmware session`
`22:28.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`booted into it and never rebooted again`
`22:29.06`	`kergoth`	`pb_: unfortunately no. libqpe contains numerous relocs, 90 PC24s, and it was built with -fPIC, every single object was`
`22:29.19`	`kergoth`	`pb_: the relocs appear to be things like free, malloc, fwrite, et cetera`
`22:29.27`	`pb_`	`kergoth: hrm, I guess it must be getting linked against some non-pic .a library then`
`22:29.46`	`kergoth`	`pb_: thats what i suspected as well.. its being linked with -shared, and though the .a files exist, so do the .so's..`
`22:30.12`	`pb_`	`kergoth: you could try linking with -Wl,-Map -Wl,mapfile and inspecting the mapfile for mention of static libs.`
`22:30.23`	`kergoth`	`pb_: excellent idea.`
`22:39.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`any luck?`
`22:43.50`	`kergoth`	`pb_: linking in libstdc++.a, libgcc.a, and libc_nonshared.a`
`22:44.11`	`pb_`	`kergoth: libstdc++.a sounds like bad news.`
`22:44.24`	`pb_`	`kergoth: the other two are ok`
`22:44.28`	`kergoth`	`pb_: thats what i figured`
`22:45.36`	`kergoth`	`pb_: any ideas on how to proceed? to be frank this is a bit over my head, i'm floundering about a bit :) and know any good resources on compilation and linking, relocation and the like that i could read?`
`22:48.34`	`pb_`	`kergoth: no particular resources spring to mind, other than obvious ones like the gcc manual. You could run the final link with -verbose, which will show you what files the linker is trying to open. That might give a clue as to why it is picking up libstdc++.a rather than the .so.`
`22:50.02`	`kergoth`	`pb_: thanks`
`23:00.36`	`BZFlag`	`who was asking about ibot redirection?`
`23:00.43`	`BZFlag`	`~oz2`
`23:00.44`		`BZFlag: i haven't a clue`
`23:00.47`	`\|\|ugh`	`FYI there seems to be no opie-mediaplayer2 ipk in the OZ3-unstable feed.`
`23:00.57`	`BZFlag`	`~op2`
`23:00.59`		`it has been said that op2 is a media player which is currently in beta stage, which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg, and MPEG4 (DivX/XviD) movies, and other formats. The backend uses the xine libs. search for it in the oz3 feed for install help. ... http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php`
`23:01.08`	`aPoX`	`Is there anyway I can get ident when I irc with opie-irc?`
`23:01.14`	`BZFlag`	`~opie-mediaplayer2`
`23:01.16`		`bugger all, i dunno, BZFlag`
`23:01.29`	`kergoth`	`hey BZFlag`
`23:01.32`	`BZFlag`	`~opie-mediaplayer2 is <reply> see op2`
`23:01.34`		`okay, BZFlag`
`23:01.36`	`BZFlag`	`~opie-mediaplayer2`
`23:01.39`		`from memory, op2 is a media player which is currently in beta stage, which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg, and MPEG4 (DivX/XviD) movies, and other formats. The backend uses the xine libs. search for it in the oz3 feed for install help. ... http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php`
`23:01.40`	`kergoth`	`\|\|ugh: http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/`
`23:02.19`	`kergoth`	`BZFlag: hows life goin?`
`23:02.38`	`BZFlag`	`so that's the redirection syntax "<reply> see". now works for commands as well:`
`23:02.43`	`BZFlag`	`~literal ducati`
`23:02.45`		`ducati is <reply> see bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5155`
`23:02.49`	`BZFlag`	`ducati`
`23:02.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: sup`
`23:02.53`	`BZFlag`	`~ducati`
`23:02.58`	`kergoth`	`BZFlag: very cool`
`23:03.04`	`aPoX`	`~ident`
`23:03.06`		`aPoX: i don't know`
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`23:03.45`	`\|\|ugh`	`Thanks, learn something new every day...`
`23:04.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hey BZFlag`
`23:05.35`	`AndyQ`	`TheMasterMind1: any joy with mplayer?`
`23:06.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i'm waiting on kergoth`
`23:06.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`he need to fix the xmms-e makefile`
`23:06.35`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: we found why my prelink was failing out on libqpe`
`23:06.36`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: fixing now`
`23:06.39`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: fixed in opie cvs`
`23:06.40`	`AndyQ`	`hehe - poke poke poke`
`23:06.41`	`AndyQ`	`:)`
`23:06.47`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: we'll see how the prelink of the opie bianries goes`
`23:06.49`	`AndyQ`	`moooo mooooooo mooooooooo`
`23:06.56`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: sandman had a successful prelink of some, but not all, the binaries`
`23:06.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: why was it faililng`
`23:07.05`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: long story`
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`23:07.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`23:07.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`make it short`
`23:07.17`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: comes down to the fact that it was linking with arm-linux-g++ rather than arm-linux-gcc`
`23:07.21`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ah`
`23:07.23`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: resulted in a link in of a static libstdc++`
`23:07.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so it was linking with libstc++`
`23:07.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`which has nonpic stuff`
`23:07.34`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: which apparently interfered wiht the prelink because it wasnt PIC`
`23:07.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`gotcha`
`23:07.37`	`kergoth`	`right`
`23:09.18`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: were it a shared libstdc++ it wouldnt have mattered, but it was libstdc++.a`
`23:09.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea`
`23:09.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok`
`23:14.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ARGH`
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`23:29.57`	`numatrix`	`TheMasterMind1: what's up with operacreator being updated on zsi? Has it changed at all? I poked through it, and it doesn't appear so.`
`23:30.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`numatrix doesn't seem like it has been. there's a new beta version that i'm trying to get someone to test..`
`23:30.50`	`numatrix`	`TheMasterMind1: one that grabs all the libraries?`
`23:30.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`nono`
`23:31.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you're out of the loop it seems`
`23:31.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`read the topic`
`23:31.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`opera works on oz now`
`23:31.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sandman found the unresolved symbols and fixed stuff`
`23:31.26`	`numatrix`	`TheMasterMind1: I saw that, but it's not in the current feed yet, is it?`
`23:31.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`not yet`
`23:31.34`	`BZFlag`	`insignia too?`
`23:31.38`	`numatrix`	`TheMasterMind1: What other changes would need to be made to the creator then?`
`23:31.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`opera should work on unstable oz feed`
`23:32.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`numatrix the current one wasn't getting the icons, thats the main thing. com[plex] created one that does but it hasn't been tested yet`
`23:32.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`BZFlag: insignia? jeode you mean?`
`23:32.21`	`BZFlag`	`yeah, yeah.`
`23:32.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`http://me.256k.net/zaurus/operacreator_1.6_arm.ipk`
`23:32.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`BZFlag: yea, that's been working for a while now`
`23:32.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`with the new jeode creator`
`23:33.11`	`BZFlag`	`kewel`
`23:33.17`	`numatrix`	`TheMasterMind1: Ahh, ok. Really? Hmm, I upgraded to unstable yesterday. Maybe I'll try my opera ipk I built a while ago.`
`23:33.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it should work but no icons`
`23:34.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and also for some reason`
`23:34.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the google logo doesn't show`
`23:34.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`all other images show though`
`23:34.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`png/gif/jpg`
`23:37.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hancom ALMOST works on the Z`
`23:37.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	`on OZ rather`
`23:37.22`	`numatrix`	`TheMasterMind1: ehh? ~only~ the google logo doesn't show? That's really strange.`
`23:37.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it bus errors whenever the cursor is on a blank line`
`23:37.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`other than that its fine`
`23:37.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`numatrix yes, very strange..`
`23:38.04`	`numatrix`	`That could probably be resolved by preloading the libjpeg from sharp. It's not that big, it might be worth it to add in the new creator. I'll test it out later tonight.`
`23:38.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`nah, we dont' want to preload sharp libs`
`23:39.44`	`numatrix`	`TheMasterMind1: yeah, but if that fixes it, maybe we can isolate which function is screwed up and sandman can fix whatever it is...`
`23:40.02`	`numatrix`	`Anyway, I'm out again. Just stopped in for a second. Later.`
`23:45.36`	`AndyQ`	`hehehe`
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`23:50.46`	`Dessimat0r`	`lo all`
`23:52.26`	`AndyQ`	`hey Dessimat0r - you up for testing a couple of things?`
`23:52.41`	`AndyQ`	`I've a new version of AQPkg with your space stuff if you fancy`
`23:52.56`	`Dessimat0r`	`yeah :D`
`23:52.59`	`AndyQ`	`plus a new version of SFCave with a fancy menu and a new game type to check out`
`23:53.02`	`Dessimat0r`	`oooh`
`23:53.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heheh`
`23:53.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oh, for sfcave`
`23:53.17`	`AndyQ`	`AQPkg if available from my feed right now - andyq.myby.co.uk/feed`
`23:53.19`	`Dessimat0r`	`yeah ;) SFCave 0wnz`
`23:53.21`	`Dessimat0r`	`k`
`23:53.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i think you should be able to press the up button to start a new game also`
`23:53.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its annoying to have to move your finger and press another key when you die :)`
`23:53.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i die a lot :)`
`23:53.40`	`AndyQ`	`and I'm just building an ipkg for sfcave - I'll let you know when its there`
`23:53.51`	`Dessimat0r`	`k`
`23:53.54`	`AndyQ`	`and I'll add your up button possible - I'll check how easy it is to do....`
`23:54.13`	`Dessimat0r`	`http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=775 < this looks cool :D`
`23:54.28`	`Dessimat0r`	`runs in Qtopia, too`
`23:54.30`	`Dessimat0r`	`Opie`
`23:54.31`	`Dessimat0r`	`rofl`
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`23:59.17`	`noda`	`Moo!`

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