| 00:00.01 | Freddie | kergoth: The latest version of intellisync on the developer site (which I would have expected to be more recent than anywhere else. . .) was older than the one on the consumer site |
| 00:01.42 | noda | Okay, the interface I'm coding is a pile of junk, but I must do it this way because I gotta go FAST :( |
| 00:02.47 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i make a .pro file into a makefile |
| 00:03.57 | Freddie | themastermind1: tmake |
| 00:04.30 | TheMasterMind1 | or qmake right? whats the syntax for that |
| 00:05.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: qmake blah.pro > Makefile |
| 00:05.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: same as tmake |
| 00:06.01 | TheMasterMind1 | QMAKESPEC has not been set, so configuration cannot be deduced. |
| 00:06.02 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:06.16 | mickeyl | export QMAKESPEC=<opiedir>/mkspecs/qws/linux-arm-g++ |
| 00:06.17 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: oh, that needs setting in our Vars.make |
| 00:06.23 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 00:06.24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so that it changes based on config |
| 00:06.30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: for now set it to what mickeyl says |
| 00:06.35 | TheMasterMind1 | don't worry about it |
| 00:06.38 | TheMasterMind1 | its in this makefile too |
| 00:06.52 | kergoth | okay think i got the libopie model check fixed, /me tests |
| 00:07.00 | TheMasterMind1 | actually, its not. hmm |
| 00:07.49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: linux-arm or linux-sharp ? |
| 00:07.55 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl: does it matter, which one? |
| 00:07.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: sharp i'd sya |
| 00:07.56 | kergoth | say |
| 00:08.20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you know, for old builds you should use tmake, as remember the -D define for the zaurus changed |
| 00:08.27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so the qmake specs have teh new one, not the old |
| 00:08.29 | AndyQ | kergoth: I thought qmake <.pro> wroute out to makefile on its own |
| 00:08.38 | AndyQ | no need to > Makefile |
| 00:08.40 | kergoth | AndyQ: could be, its been a long day |
| 00:08.49 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, i changed icon |
| 00:08.51 | TheMasterMind1 | testing to see if it works |
| 00:09.07 | AndyQ | hehe - me too - bed for me in a mo -= just want to test proxy suport and commit |
| 00:09.50 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: Sharp is better, it sets -DQT_QWS_SHARP -DQT_QWS_EBX |
| 00:10.03 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 00:10.07 | kergoth | mickeyl: a lot of old builds depend on QT_QWS_CUSTOM |
| 00:10.33 | TheMasterMind1 | grr, complaining about png |
| 00:10.33 | kergoth | which is what the old tmake sharp config sets, alnog with EBX |
| 00:10.37 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i link png also |
| 00:10.44 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:10.47 | kergoth | LIBS += -lpng |
| 00:10.49 | kergoth | in the .pro |
| 00:10.52 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 00:11.48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i got a better icon, what do you want me to do with it |
| 00:11.51 | TheMasterMind1 | can you get it into cvs |
| 00:11.54 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't have a cvs tree setup |
| 00:12.05 | TheMasterMind1 | i just tested icon, works |
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| 00:12.45 | mickeyl | kergoth: once getting used to the opie build system, it's very nice :) one question though, any oneliner how to build just one package in the opie subsystem? OZ toplevel build honors SUBDIRS, is there something comparable available? |
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| 00:13.27 | TheMasterMind1 | what sets the places that it looks for libs? |
| 00:14.14 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, i'm making progress |
| 00:14.22 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: That should be the qmakespecfile and additionally the CEXTRAFLAGS (or so) which are defined in packages/opie/Makefile |
| 00:14.28 | kergoth | mickeyl: make -C core/applets/cardmon clean |
| 00:14.32 | kergoth | mickeyl: make -C core/applets/cardmon |
| 00:14.34 | kergoth | mickeyl: .. |
| 00:14.35 | kergoth | mickeyl: :) |
| 00:14.42 | kergoth | mickeyl: you can run make in the individual dirs |
| 00:14.43 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: www.themastermind1.net/pda.png goes in pics/sysinfo/ |
| 00:14.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: alrighty |
| 00:15.08 | mickeyl | kergoth: hmm... really? the most obvious things are often invisible hehe :)) |
| 00:15.19 | TheMasterMind1 | any idea what the size of the icons in the menus are |
| 00:15.20 | AndyQ | TheMasterMind1: OK, proxy support for AQPkg is in CVS |
| 00:15.27 | TheMasterMind1 | AndyQ: great! |
| 00:15.30 | AndyQ | And I'm off to bed - night night |
| 00:15.37 | mickeyl | n8 AndyQ |
| 00:15.37 | kergoth | mickeyl: indeed, i'd like to make oz's that clean :) |
| 00:15.40 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ, wait ;) |
| 00:15.43 | AndyQ | any problems botmail me :) |
| 00:15.44 | Dessimat0r | I hve a suggestion |
| 00:15.48 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: wazzzzza? |
| 00:16.03 | Dessimat0r | Can you update the space remaining after the packages are installed? |
| 00:16.03 | Freddie | kergoth: Did you see what I wrote? |
| 00:16.15 | kergoth | Freddie: indeed, glad to hear you got it going. not a problem |
| 00:16.16 | Dessimat0r | So you can see how much you have left? ;) |
| 00:16.23 | Freddie | kergoth: I truly am sorry. |
| 00:16.43 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: you can do that already - if once the packages are installed (or even during), you change the destination to something else and back to the original one it will show you the state of play |
| 00:16.56 | TheMasterMind1 | AndyQ: hmm, does zremote do any error checking / module loading anything? |
| 00:16.56 | Dessimat0r | alright ;) |
| 00:17.05 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: Not brilliant, but I will add something soon to do it better - probably a little button |
| 00:17.16 | AndyQ | TheMasterMind1: No - none whatsoever :) |
| 00:17.30 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:17.32 | AndyQ | TheMasterMind1: It also assumes that everything is setup and working - lirc wise |
| 00:17.32 | TheMasterMind1 | should be interesting |
| 00:17.36 | Dessimat0r | Just have the space checking thing attached to the thing which enables the 'close' button ;) |
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| 00:17.57 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: not sure what I'll do yet - need to think - but too tired now :) |
| 00:18.00 | AndyQ | night |
| 00:18.01 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 00:18.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: model checking fixed, says 5500 now |
| 00:18.21 | TheMasterMind1 | great |
| 00:18.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: should we change Vendor to OpenZaurus team? |
| 00:18.50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: instead of Sharp? |
| 00:18.51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ;) |
| 00:18.52 | TheMasterMind1 | yes! |
| 00:18.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:18.58 | ljp | no |
| 00:19.03 | kergoth | ~lart ljp |
| 00:19.29 | Twiun | kergoth: does it show the jeode/opera version like Sharp's? |
| 00:19.39 | kergoth | Twiun: nope |
| 00:19.43 | Dessimat0r | I used to put AOL CDs in my fan |
| 00:19.47 | Dessimat0r | and turn it on |
| 00:19.59 | ljp | hehe |
| 00:20.05 | Dessimat0r | The destruction... energised me. |
| 00:20.11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: the backup patch works |
| 00:20.18 | noda | kergoth: Woo! I think I'm done :) |
| 00:20.21 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 00:20.30 | Twiun | kergoth: great! let them use an about page like everyone else ;-) |
| 00:20.43 | noda | I think this is actually a clean and clever backend (though some of the implementation is icky) |
| 00:21.03 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Heh, the only thing that's worse than a program taking too long to compile is a program not taking long ENOUGH to compile :) |
| 00:21.21 | kergoth | Twiun: jeje |
| 00:21.23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:21.52 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: did you push into cvs? |
| 00:22.25 | mickeyl | kergoth: does parallel build work yet? make -j5 with distcc doesn't work well for me.... fails after two or three packages. |
| 00:22.35 | kergoth | mickeyl: fails |
| 00:22.38 | kergoth | mickeyl: no idea why |
| 00:22.43 | TheMasterMind1 | somethin's up with parallel building |
| 00:22.45 | kergoth | mickeyl: if you just run make after it fails, it continues along well |
| 00:22.47 | kergoth | its odd |
| 00:22.47 | mickeyl | kergoth: ok - then it's not my config. |
| 00:23.05 | kergoth | right |
| 00:23.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: new icon, and updated odevice in cvs |
| 00:23.20 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 00:23.22 | TheMasterMind1 | good |
| 00:23.43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: updating my opie, rebuilding, then i think we're about ready to release .. pending noda's download page stuff of course |
| 00:23.50 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 00:23.51 | TheMasterMind1 | i think so too |
| 00:23.57 | kergoth | oh, one more thing |
| 00:24.01 | TheMasterMind1 | yea? |
| 00:24.01 | Onyx4 | kergoth: did networksetup got fixed? |
| 00:24.01 | kergoth | we dont have the ash history saving enable |
| 00:24.02 | noda | kergoth: I'm almost done! 15 minutes + testing. |
| 00:24.05 | kergoth | need to enable it |
| 00:24.08 | kergoth | cause its damn spiffy |
| 00:24.09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm ok |
| 00:24.28 | TheMasterMind1 | its buggy too :) |
| 00:24.29 | chouimat | noda: 15 minutes with Girl? |
| 00:24.31 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe its just me |
| 00:24.35 | Onyx4 | cause networksetup doesn't know how to set the wep guys correctly, user has to edit the wireless.opts manually |
| 00:24.40 | noda | chouimat: Heh, I wish :) |
| 00:24.42 | kergoth | Onyx4: fixed afaik |
| 00:24.45 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: fixed |
| 00:24.45 | ljp | wow we have history now? |
| 00:24.46 | kergoth | Onyx4: ben did that a while back |
| 00:24.48 | noda | Actually, maybe tomorrow I'll have 15 minutes with Girl... and her mom :) |
| 00:24.48 | kergoth | ljp: yep |
| 00:24.51 | kergoth | ljp: thank sandman for that |
| 00:25.00 | Onyx4 | while back as in today or couple of days ago? |
| 00:25.00 | ljp | he's awesom |
| 00:25.05 | kergoth | ljp: indeeed |
| 00:25.07 | Onyx4 | cause I run opie from today |
| 00:25.08 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: he just fixed a bunch of bugs today |
| 00:25.20 | Onyx4 | ok that might be it then |
| 00:25.24 | kergoth | Onyx4: the wep stuff shouldve been fixed a week ago, but he fixed more stuff today |
| 00:25.34 | kergoth | fuck it, even if wep is hokey i'm releasing rc1 |
| 00:25.41 | kergoth | we have a couple test releases to go through here |
| 00:25.44 | kergoth | need more eyes looking at this shit |
| 00:25.54 | Onyx4 | that's true |
| 00:25.57 | Onyx4 | sounds good |
| 00:25.57 | ljp | so.. whens the next initrd.bin out?! :D |
| 00:26.12 | kergoth | ljp: as soon as noda finishes up the download page stuff, soon |
| 00:26.21 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: whats the size of icons on the launcher |
| 00:26.26 | kergoth | wtf |
| 00:26.29 | Onyx4 | kergoth: can you enable libsdl and op2/konq for the rc1 feed? |
| 00:26.31 | kergoth | busybox ash is saving history |
| 00:26.31 | kergoth | but |
| 00:26.36 | kergoth | its not working |
| 00:26.41 | kergoth | that is, its enabled |
| 00:26.42 | TheMasterMind1 | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 00:26.43 | kergoth | but its not doing it |
| 00:26.48 | TheMasterMind1 | i just built opie |
| 00:26.51 | TheMasterMind1 | in 4 minutes |
| 00:26.54 | TheMasterMind1 | what's going on? |
| 00:26.57 | kergoth | lol |
| 00:27.04 | mickeyl | 8GHz Pentium V ? |
| 00:27.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: already had it mostly built? |
| 00:27.07 | TheMasterMind1 | i completely wiped it |
| 00:27.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ah |
| 00:27.15 | TheMasterMind1 | 4 minutes!!! |
| 00:27.15 | mickeyl | ccache? |
| 00:27.22 | TheMasterMind1 | really, ccache ? |
| 00:27.23 | kergoth | mm ccache |
| 00:27.24 | TheMasterMind1 | that might be it |
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| 00:28.07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: found the bug in ash history |
| 00:28.16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if you exit embeddedkonsole by typing exit, you're home free |
| 00:28.16 | noda | Ack, that was dumb - I never put releasing in the new admin module. Lazy of me. |
| 00:28.23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if you exit by hitting the X, your history wont be saved |
| 00:28.29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i see.. |
| 00:28.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not critical, we report and continue with the release |
| 00:28.46 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: still it was doing weird stuff, maybe cuz i had two ssh's and a konsole open |
| 00:29.01 | kergoth | odd |
| 00:29.02 | noda | Wait a sec, I KNOW I did releasing... |
| 00:29.13 | noda | Ah, I see - separate module :) |
| 00:29.15 | Cloudchaser | how's it going guys? |
| 00:29.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we'll dig into the history stuff to fix it up shortly |
| 00:29.19 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: great |
| 00:29.21 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 00:29.24 | Cloudchaser | glad to hear that |
| 00:29.29 | kergoth | oh shit, forgot to change Vendor from sharp to openzaurus team in odevice |
| 00:29.58 | Cloudchaser | ljp: i decided against the palm zire for my son |
| 00:30.19 | Cloudchaser | i think the m125 is better bet for him since i can't buy him a z |
| 00:30.46 | TheMasterMind1 | takepatch: packages/SCCS/s.Makefile is edited and modified; unsafe to overwrite. |
| 00:30.46 | TheMasterMind1 | takepatch: packages/SCCS/s.config.in is edited and modified; unsafe to overwrite. |
| 00:30.47 | TheMasterMind1 | grr! |
| 00:30.54 | Cloudchaser | unless, of course, somoene wants to sell me one for 125.00 :) |
| 00:30.57 | TheMasterMind1 | can't i merge? |
| 00:30.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: bk ci is your friend |
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| 00:31.26 | TheMasterMind1 | gotcha |
| 00:32.32 | NightStar | TheMasterMind1: That happened to me yesterday, and I ended up pulling down a whole new mk clone, and I haven't been able to compile since. |
| 00:32.48 | kergoth | NightStar: you have to ci your edited files before pulling |
| 00:32.50 | kergoth | NightStar: thats all there is to it |
| 00:33.24 | NightStar | I didn't edit the file that I had the problem with. |
| 00:33.36 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:33.37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: do i re-ci the file after it does the merges? |
| 00:33.40 | kergoth | then you didnt get that message. |
| 00:33.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dont need to, when it resolves it commits |
| 00:33.51 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 00:34.16 | noda | AARGH! |
| 00:34.18 | kergoth | you know |
| 00:34.19 | noda | I was so careless before... |
| 00:34.22 | kergoth | by default we're running inetd |
| 00:34.22 | NightStar | Anyway, I saved my sources, did a full mk clone, and I can't compile opie now. |
| 00:34.26 | kergoth | but we have nothing started from it |
| 00:34.32 | kergoth | NightStar: i just built opie 30 seconds ago |
| 00:34.35 | TheMasterMind1 | alright, xmms has an icon |
| 00:34.47 | NightStar | I replaced the uic and I still get error messages, i.e.... |
| 00:34.51 | mickeyl | night all. |
| 00:34.52 | NightStar | /home/mhjack/OpenZaurus/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4-beta2/include/qlabel.h:100: candidates are: void QLabel::setText(const QString &) |
| 00:34.52 | NightStar | make[4]: *** [passwordbase_p.o] Error 1 |
| 00:35.09 | kergoth | NightStar: like i said, chances are you copied a qt3 uic not a qt2 |
| 00:35.10 | NightStar | I think something is wrong with qt. |
| 00:35.11 | kergoth | NightStar: or something along those lines |
| 00:35.16 | kergoth | NightStar: eh? |
| 00:35.26 | kergoth | NightStar: that x86 uic uses your x86 qt libs |
| 00:35.48 | NightStar | I don't know what to do next... |
| 00:35.51 | kergoth | neale dropped me an email |
| 00:35.57 | TheMasterMind1 | what he say |
| 00:36.05 | kergoth | looks like he wont have time to implement the bootmenu spawning deal he and i discussed |
| 00:36.09 | kergoth | he's got a lot of shit going on |
| 00:36.22 | kergoth | when he gets back, he wants to work on our new keyboard driver for 2.5 |
| 00:36.26 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 00:36.30 | kergoth | yup |
| 00:36.41 | kergoth | i'll end up implementing the bootmenu/opie spawning stuff then |
| 00:36.54 | kergoth | its not critical, one of those would be nice things. i'll wait till after the release |
| 00:36.56 | NightStar | The uic that gets built in qte segfaults and the one in my /usr/lib/qt3-gcc2.96/bin/uic doesn't seem to work either. |
| 00:37.04 | kergoth | NightStar: eh? ar eyou not listening? |
| 00:37.12 | kergoth | NightStar: uic *MUST* *MUST* be qt2!! |
| 00:37.13 | NightStar | Maybe I'm just dense. |
| 00:37.17 | kergoth | NightStar: qt3 uic will *NOT* works |
| 00:37.19 | kergoth | s/works/work/ |
| 00:37.30 | kergoth | 18:47 <@kergoth> NightStar: like i said, chances are you copied a qt3 uic not a |
| 00:37.33 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.58 | kergoth | okay i'm getting the hell out of dodge |
| 00:37.59 | kergoth | time to head home |
| 00:38.01 | NightStar | So where do I get a qt2 uic? |
| 00:38.02 | kergoth | i'll be on when i get there |
| 00:38.06 | Cloudchaser | have a good night :0 |
| 00:38.10 | Cloudchaser | ah hehe |
| 00:40.04 | noda | Aaaargh... stupid bug... |
| 00:40.30 | NightStar | thh? |
| 00:40.34 | NightStar | tmm1? |
| 00:41.03 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 00:41.12 | TheMasterMind1 | apt-get install uic? |
| 00:41.17 | noda | Oh DUH DUH DUH! There WAS no bug! :P |
| 00:41.23 | hardwire | heh |
| 00:41.23 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:41.25 | noda | I'm looking at two separate databases. Stupid of me :P |
| 00:41.30 | hardwire | <Choadster> Why the fuck are these bungwads sending me *EMAIL* to sell me Hooked on Phonics?!?!?!?! |
| 00:41.35 | hardwire | heh |
| 00:41.42 | NightStar | I don't have a qt2 uic (or even a bin directory under /usr/lib/qt2/ |
| 00:41.56 | noda | NightStar: install qt-devel |
| 00:43.19 | NightStar | would qt-devel-2.3.1-5.i386.rpm be ok? |
| 00:43.28 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, not sure |
| 00:43.30 | TheMasterMind1 | it might be |
| 00:44.26 | NightStar | My basic problem is that RedHat 7.3 comes with qt3, not qt2 |
| 00:44.53 | NightStar | There is an RPM available for qt2-devel, but it's RH7.2 |
| 00:53.36 | noda | Woo! |
| 00:53.38 | noda | I think all is well. |
| 00:54.25 | noda | D'oh! Almost |
| 00:57.37 | noda | Woo! Logs downloads differently depending on which release it is :) |
| 00:57.41 | noda | I think this is actually working :) |
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| 01:07.54 | nasa | anyone home? |
| 01:11.54 | kergoth`out | hey nasa |
| 01:12.11 | nasa | hey |
| 01:12.19 | nasa | how's it going? |
| 01:12.37 | kergoth`out | good good |
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| 01:12.48 | kergoth`out | oz3.1 rc1 is about to go out .. the 3.1 testing phase has begun |
| 01:12.49 | kergoth`out | heh |
| 01:12.56 | nasa | got a question for you... |
| 01:12.59 | kergoth`out | ask away |
| 01:13.03 | PARITY_ERROR | Hey all |
| 01:13.05 | Dessimat0r | I'm really pissed off with NTL, their cable service is terrible |
| 01:13.23 | TheMasterMind1 | ah! |
| 01:13.26 | nasa | I updated recently "ipkg upgrade" and know the graphical interface doens't start |
| 01:13.27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`out: wait up |
| 01:13.29 | Dessimat0r | there is always something wrong with it.. |
| 01:13.30 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm pushing somet stuff |
| 01:13.43 | PARITY_ERROR | I just got a CF 802.11b card for my Z, how do I request a dhcp address from my ap (loke ipconfig in windows 2k) |
| 01:13.57 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: what? |
| 01:14.27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`out: lirc and xmms fix |
| 01:14.32 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: cool cool |
| 01:14.34 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`out: did you fix the icon for networksetup |
| 01:14.37 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: so feed build stuff |
| 01:14.38 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: yeah |
| 01:14.42 | TheMasterMind1 | great |
| 01:14.55 | nasa | What is the command to start the graphical interface? |
| 01:15.01 | kergoth`out | nasa: thats in the faq. |
| 01:15.05 | kergoth`out | nasa: /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 01:15.37 | nasa | ibot faq |
| 01:15.39 | | faq is probably at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or at http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html or at http://www.openzaurus.org/ |
| 01:16.15 | ibz | ibot oz faq |
| 01:16.17 | | oz faq is, like, at http://www.openzaurus.org/ |
| 01:16.23 | kergoth`out | heh |
| 01:16.47 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm how do i do if in bash |
| 01:16.51 | kergoth`out | ? |
| 01:16.57 | ibz | if |
| 01:16.58 | NightStar | I couldn't find a reasonable RPM so I'm compiling qt-x11-2.3.2.tar.gz |
| 01:16.58 | TheMasterMind1 | if [ blah ]; then \ do stuff \ elif \ do this \ fi; ? |
| 01:17.11 | kergoth`out | if [ -e heh ]; then echo blah; fi |
| 01:17.16 | TheMasterMind1 | what about else |
| 01:17.26 | kergoth`out | if [ -e heh ]; then echo blah; else echo heh; fi |
| 01:17.35 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: note the lack of ; after else and then, thats important |
| 01:17.48 | kergoth`out | at least when doing it all on one line :) |
| 01:18.32 | nasa | hmmm... That doesn't work... it start off with "You seem to already have a /root/Applications directory. Assuming it is the Opie Applications directory. Exiting. Starting Opie with syslog logging....." and then it dies |
| 01:18.40 | kergoth`out | nasa: run 'logread' |
| 01:18.44 | kergoth`out | nasa: read the log |
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| 01:19.32 | TheMasterMind1 | if [ -d /etc/lircd.conf ]; then |
| 01:19.34 | TheMasterMind1 | something wrong? |
| 01:19.39 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, doh |
| 01:19.41 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i check for dir |
| 01:19.42 | PARITY_ERROR | Cool |
| 01:19.45 | TheMasterMind1 | err, file |
| 01:19.48 | nasa | ah... it's complaing about a lack of libpng.so.3 |
| 01:19.56 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: use -e, existance |
| 01:20.06 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: dont use -f, file, because what if its a symlink to sd/cf/ram? |
| 01:20.13 | PARITY_ERROR | Now, if I load AQPkg, will it tell me if there is an updated version of an app on the feed? |
| 01:20.13 | kergoth`out | nasa: install libpng3 |
| 01:20.20 | kergoth`out | PARITY_ERROR: yes. |
| 01:21.53 | nasa | yeap, that was it |
| 01:21.54 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`out: does it matter if its a symlink? |
| 01:22.11 | NightStar | Great, compiling qt-2.3.2 balks on uic! |
| 01:22.14 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: -f will return false on a link |
| 01:22.17 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 01:22.18 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 01:22.21 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: it checks for a *file* |
| 01:22.25 | ibz | man test |
| 01:22.26 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: like, a real file |
| 01:22.28 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: use -e |
| 01:22.31 | kergoth`out | ibz: right |
| 01:22.34 | nasa | So has anyone tried to get MaxMame working with oz? |
| 01:22.38 | PARITY_ERROR | I just see a bunch of stuff listed as (installed). does this mean I am up to date? |
| 01:22.48 | kergoth`out | PARITY_ERROR: that means they're installed. |
| 01:22.51 | kergoth`out | PARITY_ERROR: thats all. |
| 01:23.01 | kergoth`out | PARITY_ERROR: if theres an asterisk by a givne package it has been updated |
| 01:23.10 | kergoth`out | PARITY_ERROR: and hit refresh in the feed to update the package list |
| 01:23.27 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, one last bug left |
| 01:23.33 | TheMasterMind1 | this thing andyq wrote |
| 01:23.39 | TheMasterMind1 | it does something when you select an item in a list |
| 01:23.43 | PARITY_ERROR | and the oz3 sf.net feed is teh official update feed |
| 01:23.47 | TheMasterMind1 | but if you click that item again, that thing is supposed to happen again but itsnot |
| 01:23.50 | kergoth`out | PARITY_ERROR: eh? |
| 01:23.53 | kergoth`out | PARITY_ERROR: there are 3 feeds. |
| 01:23.54 | TheMasterMind1 | you have to select another item then select the first again |
| 01:24.01 | kergoth`out | PARITY_ERROR: the stable feed hasnt changed since the release. |
| 01:24.09 | PARITY_ERROR | Which one is the most current? |
| 01:24.26 | TheMasterMind1 | void zRemote::itemSelected( int ) |
| 01:24.27 | kergoth`out | PARITY_ERROR: RTFM. |
| 01:24.32 | PARITY_ERROR | I dont mind beta stuff to help test |
| 01:24.33 | TheMasterMind1 | i want it whenver that item is clicked, not selected |
| 01:24.36 | kergoth`out | PARITY_ERROR: openzaurus.org explains the feed structure on the download page. |
| 01:24.39 | kergoth`out | PARITY_ERROR: read up |
| 01:24.49 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.55 | TheMasterMind1 | i change that to what instead of highlighted |
| 01:25.16 | PARITY_ERROR | k thx |
| 01:27.48 | NightStar | kergoth`out: It seams that the only way I'm gonna get a qt2 uic is to compile qt2, but it dies on linking uic beacuse of a pthreads call that's not in my pthreads library. |
| 01:28.14 | kergoth`out | NightStar: ugly. |
| 01:28.22 | NightStar | exactly.. |
| 01:28.26 | kergoth`out | NightStar: OZ's buildsystem compiles qt2 to build the uic |
| 01:28.31 | kergoth`out | NightStar: but uic ends up fucked, segfaults. |
| 01:29.10 | NightStar | Right.. I get it now... I got qt2 from qtopia, maybe I need to get an older one. |
| 01:32.53 | NightStar | qt-x11-2.3.1 might work, it doesn't have thread support ;) |
| 01:33.15 | NightStar | My kingdom for a uic |
| 01:34.05 | NightStar | kergoth`out: Sorry I was such a bonehead on the qt2 vs qt3 version. I didn't read close enough. |
| 01:34.17 | kergoth`out | NightStar: no problem, it happens |
| 01:35.12 | NightStar | You guys were making it out to be a simple, copy over the other one you got thing, but qt3 was all that I had... L: |
| 01:35.17 | kergoth`out | hehe |
| 01:35.23 | kergoth`out | its only simple if you have a qt2 build laying around |
| 01:35.28 | kergoth`out | otherwise its a pain in the ass |
| 01:35.31 | NightStar | Exactly :) |
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| 02:38.03 | TheMasterMind1 | pushed |
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| 02:42.21 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ? |
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| 02:45.21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we have to ditch beta2 of qte |
| 02:45.30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the moc it uses causes the opie-login segfault on exit! |
| 02:45.38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm upping us to a snapshot |
| 02:45.54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: my 2.95 build is building libc6 right now, it was mrproper'd a long time ago. my 3.2 build needs qt/e and opie rebuilt. |
| 02:45.58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: then i'll release. |
| 02:46.50 | MS_away | 3.1? |
| 02:47.29 | kergoth | MS_away: 3.1 release candidate 1 |
| 02:47.33 | kergoth | MS_away: beta cycle has begun |
| 02:49.11 | MSpin | *neat* |
| 02:50.38 | mrz80 | Cool! |
| 02:51.14 | MSpin | I want a CF ieee1394 card now:) |
| 02:51.26 | chouimat | kergoth: any problem with 3.1rc1 (beside the 3.2build that sucks) |
| 02:52.09 | kergoth | chouimat: not afaik |
| 02:52.33 | chouimat | kergoth: my 2.95.3 build seems ok |
| 02:55.15 | chouimat | kergoth: 1512KB free in root, I have opie-reader,qpdf,kbill,knight,tetrix,sfcave et gnuboy :) |
| 02:55.29 | mrz80 | 1394? I can never remember: is 1394 USB or FireWire? |
| 02:56.53 | kergoth | chouimat: hah, nice |
| 02:56.53 | chouimat | firewire |
| 02:57.11 | ljp | it's fireSB |
| 02:57.13 | chouimat | kergoth: does op2 work on a 5000D |
| 02:57.30 | kergoth | chouimat: ask ljp |
| 02:57.53 | ljp | yes' |
| 02:57.54 | crow|Away | kergoth: trying to build OZ...make fails building busybox...can't find ..../build/busybox/examples/udhcp/simple.script |
| 02:58.06 | chouimat | ljp: hpw big? |
| 02:58.09 | kergoth | crow|Away: you need to wipe busybox |
| 02:58.09 | ljp | video still needs some mem opt |
| 02:58.10 | crow|Away | kergoth: is this a known problem? |
| 02:58.19 | ljp | but audio works |
| 02:58.20 | kergoth | crow|Away: make SUBDIRS=packages/busybox mrproper; make; |
| 02:58.26 | kergoth | crow|Away: you have an old busybox cvs |
| 02:58.34 | ljp | I install op2 to sd/cf |
| 02:58.56 | crow| | ah, thanks. |
| 02:59.22 | chouimat | ljp: url? |
| 03:00.49 | ljp | ask harlekin when he's around. he's the keeper of the arm codec builds |
| 03:01.24 | kergoth | chouimat: op2 is in the buildroot.. ipks of it anyway.. |
| 03:01.56 | ljp | tronical has done quite a bit of refactoring op2 |
| 03:02.27 | chouimat | kergoth: not in mine |
| 03:02.34 | kergoth | chouimat: then you havent bk pull'd recently |
| 03:02.57 | chouimat | kergoth: yesterday |
| 03:03.34 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah, added this afternoon :) |
| 03:04.02 | chouimat | kergoth: :P |
| 03:10.00 | crow| | kegoth: did the "make SUBDIRS=packages/busybox mrproper; make;" but still have issues with busybox |
| 03:10.11 | crow| | looks like it's failing to compile networking/route.c |
| 03:10.15 | kergoth | crow|: builds flawlessly here as of about 10 minutes ago. |
| 03:10.26 | kergoth | crow|: its something in your build environment |
| 03:10.31 | kergoth | crow|: likely a auto* versioning issue |
| 03:10.34 | kergoth | crow|: what distro? |
| 03:10.42 | crow| | redhat 8.0 |
| 03:10.45 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:10.47 | kergoth | that'll fail |
| 03:11.02 | kergoth | crow|: take a look at def-vars/ |
| 03:11.08 | kergoth | crow|: you need to create one of those for redhat 8 |
| 03:11.18 | chouimat | kergoth: what I need to install for op2? |
| 03:11.20 | kergoth | crow|: to ensure the right autoconf/automake/aclocal/autoheader are used |
| 03:11.28 | kergoth | chouimat: opie-mediaplayer2, and opie-mediaplayer-codecs |
| 03:12.34 | chouimat | kergoth: libogg? |
| 03:12.42 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah, and libvorbis |
| 03:12.51 | kergoth | chouimat: er libvorbisidec i mean |
| 03:12.55 | kergoth | chouimat: (the one from tremor) |
| 03:13.46 | chouimat | kergoth: and for mp3? it's included? |
| 03:15.54 | kergoth | chouimat: yep |
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| 03:18.01 | mrwoody | TheMasterMind1: I have been trying your new image... it seems quite stable, but i think that the suspend/resume problem for the CF card is still there |
| 03:18.18 | kergoth | mrwoody: then you're the only one who can reproduce it |
| 03:18.28 | kergoth | mrwoody: none of us can. maybe you can figure out whats causing it |
| 03:18.42 | mrwoody | kergoth: does it depend on the zimage? |
| 03:18.45 | kergoth | mrwoody: doubtful |
| 03:19.12 | crow| | kergoth: i guess the one for redhat-7.3 is close to what I need. How do I know which is the "right" autoconf/automake/aclocal/autoheader? |
| 03:19.12 | mrwoody | kergoth: i am still using the old zimage, but i just installed the new init.bin |
| 03:19.22 | kergoth | crow|: you want the new version |
| 03:19.28 | kergoth | crow|: autoconf<tab><tab> at a prompt |
| 03:19.47 | mrwoody | kergoth: i guess it is not because i am using an sl5000 |
| 03:19.56 | crow| | Highest version of each, then? |
| 03:20.06 | kergoth | mrwoody: doubt it |
| 03:20.08 | kergoth | crow|: yep |
| 03:20.19 | crow| | And I guess the file should be named redhat-8.0? |
| 03:20.19 | chouimat | mrwoody: tested 2.5.51 |
| 03:20.23 | chouimat | mrwoody: tested 2.5.51? |
| 03:20.24 | kergoth | crow|: you'll need to edit Vars.make to make it use your redhat-8.0 def-vars file |
| 03:20.27 | kergoth | crow|: yes |
| 03:20.37 | mrwoody | chouimat: not yet... i thought you were in europe |
| 03:20.46 | crow| | cool, I'll try it out, thanks! |
| 03:21.02 | chouimat | mrwoody: I leave next thursday |
| 03:21.02 | kergoth | crow|: np, keep me posted, i want to add a redhat 8.0 distro support |
| 03:21.08 | kergoth | crow|: note: in menuconfig, you select the distro |
| 03:21.12 | mrwoody | chouimat: you are using the sl5000... do you still have the problem with the cf card (suspend/resume) |
| 03:21.13 | kergoth | crow|: thats what controls which one gets used |
| 03:21.26 | crow| | ah |
| 03:21.32 | mrwoody | chouimat: i am also going to europe on 23 ... |
| 03:21.41 | chouimat | mrwoody: where? |
| 03:21.56 | kergoth | crow|: redhat 8.0 is already an option, so you need to just add the file and edti Vars.make to use it |
| 03:21.57 | mrwoody | chouimat: florence (my city) and london |
| 03:22.16 | chouimat | mrwoody: I will be in Lausanne |
| 03:22.56 | mrwoody | chouimat: they speak french over there, right? |
| 03:23.04 | chouimat | mrwoody: yes |
| 03:23.33 | mrwoody | chouimat: how about the cf problem? do you have it? |
| 03:23.52 | mrwoody | is there a way to make billiardZ work with the new libsdl? |
| 03:23.54 | chouimat | mrwoody: no |
| 03:24.11 | mrwoody | chouimat: no about the cf or about billiardz? |
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| 03:24.39 | chouimat | cf |
| 03:24.49 | mrwoody | chouimat: then i am really the only one having that problem |
| 03:24.51 | freaker | does acrobat reader work on opnezaurus? |
| 03:25.10 | mrwoody | chouimat: what zimage do you use? |
| 03:25.23 | chouimat | freaker: there is a pdf reader |
| 03:25.24 | kergoth | freaker: what? |
| 03:25.30 | chouimat | mrwoody: 32-0 |
| 03:25.41 | mrwoody | chouimat: a new one.. .or the old one? |
| 03:26.15 | chouimat | kergoth: no demux plugin for ogg |
| 03:26.22 | chouimat | mrwoody: compiled yesterday |
| 03:26.56 | mrwoody | chouimat: ok.. then it might be that |
| 03:28.52 | mrwoody | chouimat: ok... i am going to give a try to .5.51 |
| 03:30.55 | mrwoody | chouimat: can you send me your zImage.. so that i can try to see if that is the reason |
| 03:31.25 | chouimat | mrwoody: DCC? |
| 03:31.30 | mrwoody | chouimat: yes pls |
| 03:32.02 | cbok | missy wha??? |
| 03:32.04 | mrwoody | chouimat: do i need to reformat my cf card vfat to change zImage? |
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| 03:35.47 | mrwoody | kergoth: if i just want to change zImage, do I just copy it on a clean cf card , and i just reflash it? or do i need to do the c+d thing? |
| 03:36.18 | kergoth | mrwoody: huh? |
| 03:36.27 | kergoth | mrwoody: 'just reflash it' *is* c+d+full reset |
| 03:36.34 | kergoth | mrwoody: thats what flashing is, by definition |
| 03:37.11 | mrwoody | kergoth: ok... so i guess it must be fat16, right? |
| 03:37.39 | kergoth | mrwoody: right. |
| 03:37.47 | kergoth | mrwoody: you can flash initrd.bin and zImage independently of course |
| 03:38.12 | mrwoody | thanks |
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| 03:49.01 | kergoth | hey DaWorm |
| 03:49.11 | DaWorm | hey kergoth |
| 04:00.31 | prpplague | kergoth: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5871500506.html |
| 04:01.28 | kergoth | prpplague: hah, thats pretty cool |
| 04:01.56 | kergoth | prpplague: serial console over BT.. evil |
| 04:01.58 | kergoth | prpplague: ;) |
| 04:02.08 | prpplague | kergoth: i think they are doing ppp |
| 04:02.20 | DaWorm | whoa |
| 04:02.49 | kergoth | prpplague: aw. hehe. |
| 04:02.57 | kergoth | thats pretty cool though |
| 04:03.19 | DaWorm | that would make my cellphone useful |
| 04:03.30 | DaJoker | does opie-freetype actually do anything? |
| 04:04.19 | kergoth | DaJoker: you couldve gotten cf bt already.. but thats uses up your cf slot.. |
| 04:04.30 | kergoth | DaJoker: yep |
| 04:04.51 | DaJoker | kergoth: what exactly? |
| 04:04.53 | kergoth | DaJoker: its a memory hog though, each app gets its own copy of the glyphs instead of having it in shared mem |
| 04:04.58 | kergoth | DaJoker: you can use TTFs directly. |
| 04:05.03 | DaJoker | hrmm.. |
| 04:05.17 | DaJoker | ok.. so how does one use it? |
| 04:05.22 | kergoth | install it |
| 04:05.24 | kergoth | install freetype |
| 04:05.27 | kergoth | copy ttfs over |
| 04:05.33 | kergoth | edit hte font index file and add the new fonts |
| 04:05.36 | DaJoker | ttfs to where? |
| 04:05.38 | kergoth | then they'll work |
| 04:05.40 | kergoth | to the fonts dir |
| 04:05.51 | DaJoker | opt/Qt/lib/fonts or something? |
| 04:05.56 | kergoth | something like that |
| 04:05.57 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:06.00 | prpplague | kergoth: i think i would have gotten more attention if i had just made a module like that for the scanner and battery stuff |
| 04:06.28 | kergoth | prpplague: could be.. hard to say. i think what you're doing is pretty spiffy tho |
| 04:07.36 | prpplague | kergoth: ya well, i'm hoping the project gets approved, won't know till mid january |
| 04:08.00 | DaJoker | hrmm.. |
| 04:08.03 | prpplague | kergoth: we have some prototype cases, but darn if the inject molded case are expensive as hell to get started with |
| 04:08.11 | chouimat | ljp: BePDF is cool, |
| 04:09.10 | DaJoker | kergoth: fontdir file? |
| 04:09.28 | kergoth | DaJoker: yea |
| 04:09.37 | DaJoker | wtf kinda format is this? |
| 04:10.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:10.16 | kergoth | DaJoker: doc.trolltech.com |
| 04:10.18 | kergoth | DaJoker: its documented |
| 04:10.46 | DaJoker | figures |
| 04:10.51 | DaJoker | damn trolls |
| 04:12.43 | DaJoker | hrm.. |
| 04:13.00 | DaJoker | ok, this may be a stupid question.. |
| 04:13.20 | DaJoker | trolltech says qt/e supports ttf if enabled in the compile.. why wouldn't oz just do that? |
| 04:14.04 | DaJoker | heh.. |
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| 04:15.01 | DaJoker | says it'll do Type1 as well.. |
| 04:15.04 | DaJoker | hrmm.. |
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| 04:17.32 | noda | Moo! |
| 04:17.57 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 04:17.59 | noda | kergoth: Still no release? :) |
| 04:18.12 | noda | What's the ETA? :) |
| 04:18.22 | kergoth | whenever this damn box finishes |
| 04:18.27 | noda | heh |
| 04:19.33 | noda | I'm just excited to see if my code works. And I'm going to bed in a half hour... |
| 04:35.52 | noda | kergoth: How far've you gotten? :) |
| 04:37.58 | WormLunch | half a bottle left i hope |
| 04:37.59 | WormLunch | hehe |
| 04:38.00 | WormLunch | jk |
| 04:38.52 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 04:41.26 | kergoth | hunger_: hey tobias, how goes it |
| 04:45.41 | chouimat | noda: any news about G? |
| 04:46.51 | noda | chouimat: Same old. May see her tomorrow... |
| 04:47.07 | noda | Then she's going back to the country and I'll get to go insane yet again :) |
| 04:47.25 | chouimat | noda: it's xmas :) |
| 04:48.03 | noda | chouimat: and...? |
| 04:48.21 | chouimat | noda: and it's normal :) |
| 04:48.36 | noda | chouimat: Going insane you mean? |
| 04:54.14 | chouimat | noda: stop being Clark Kent and tell her |
| 04:55.21 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe |
| 04:55.52 | noda | chouimat: Hehe |
| 04:56.09 | chouimat | did I said something ??? |
| 04:56.15 | noda | :) |
| 04:56.18 | chouimat|sohwer | brb |
| 05:03.36 | noda | kergoth: How close to completion are ya? :) |
| 05:03.49 | kergoth | noda: getting there, its copmiling ssh |
| 05:03.53 | kergoth | noda: i think i still have qt/e and opie yet |
| 05:03.58 | kergoth | noda: and we all know about the opie compile.. |
| 05:04.13 | kergoth | yep, qt/e hasnt been built yet |
| 05:04.15 | noda | You're kidding... thought it did it alphabetically when no dependencies were there... |
| 05:04.17 | noda | Aargh. |
| 05:04.29 | noda | Well, we're just gonna have to pray this works :P |
| 05:04.40 | noda | I'll test it on my DB. But you never know what'll happen when you move over to the real one :) |
| 05:05.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:06.36 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 05:06.57 | noda | Ooh, works great on mine :P |
| 05:07.39 | noda | kergoth: So you just gotta cross your fingers I guess. It will have backed up. |
| 05:07.46 | kergoth | noda: sounds good |
| 05:07.48 | kergoth | noda: thanks :) |
| 05:07.54 | kergoth | noda: so how do i do this now? |
| 05:07.54 | noda | np :) |
| 05:08.02 | kergoth | noda: drop the initrd and zImages where? |
| 05:08.10 | kergoth | noda: (re download page, vs changelog) |
| 05:08.31 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: received the documentation cd? |
| 05:08.33 | noda | Oh, well, you know you've got a "3.0" dir somewhere? Make a "3.1rc1" dir and drop changes there. |
| 05:08.43 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: nope |
| 05:08.44 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: you? |
| 05:08.48 | chouimat|Zzzz | nope |
| 05:08.50 | kergoth | noda: k |
| 05:08.53 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: grr |
| 05:09.02 | chouimat|Zzzz | night guys |
| 05:09.05 | kergoth | night |
| 05:09.10 | noda | kergoth: I hope :P |
| 05:09.23 | noda | kergoth: I symlinked my 3.0 to 3.1rc1 and it works. |
| 05:09.30 | kergoth | noda: okay cool :) |
| 05:09.39 | kergoth | noda: oh, one other thing, not sure how to handle it |
| 05:09.42 | noda | Just make sure the version number is "3.1rc1" - there's no way to undo a release :) |
| 05:09.52 | noda | kergoth: Go to the website, you'll see right away. "release" module |
| 05:09.55 | kergoth | noda: i need two initrd.bin's |
| 05:10.02 | kergoth | noda: should i make two releases? |
| 05:10.05 | noda | kergoth: Put them both in with fun filenames. |
| 05:10.10 | kergoth | k |
| 05:10.11 | noda | initrd-*.bin |
| 05:10.17 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 05:10.18 | noda | I think that's the regex. I'll double-check it. |
| 05:10.18 | kergoth | okay thanks |
| 05:10.21 | noda | What's the second initrd? |
| 05:10.31 | kergoth | i can check the code if need be, no big deal |
| 05:10.35 | kergoth | noda: gcc2 vs gcc3 |
| 05:10.49 | noda | Ah... but that means you'll want two *feeds* too, no? |
| 05:10.56 | noda | Oh, n/m, we don't worry about feeds yet :) |
| 05:11.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:11.04 | noda | Thank God :P |
| 05:11.13 | kergoth | feed-*? |
| 05:11.17 | kergoth | ;) |
| 05:11.17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:11.54 | noda | You could put the gcc3 dir inside the normal feed dir, I'm sure everybody would notice it when they went there. The only qualm is that the download.php page won't show them. |
| 05:12.00 | noda | Nor is it documented anywhere. |
| 05:12.06 | kergoth | right |
| 05:12.11 | kergoth | will do that for now |
| 05:12.30 | noda | The regex is /^initrd.*\.bin$/ |
| 05:13.32 | noda | kergoth: Whoa whoa whoa... hold on a second... after you're done compiling you have to do the whole damned thing AGAIN? :) |
| 05:13.48 | kergoth | noda: i already did 3.2 |
| 05:13.50 | kergoth | noda: this is the second one |
| 05:13.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:13.52 | noda | kergoth: Ah :) |
| 05:13.56 | kergoth | noda: note that we changed qt versions |
| 05:13.59 | noda | kergoth: Anywhere I could download that from btw? :) |
| 05:14.00 | kergoth | noda: there was a bad bug in beta2 |
| 05:14.04 | noda | I'd like to have something fun for tomorrow. |
| 05:14.07 | noda | What was the bug? |
| 05:14.10 | kergoth | noda: so i have to rebuild qt/e and opie in 3.2 as well |
| 05:14.16 | kergoth | noda: remember the opie-login segfaults on exit bug? |
| 05:14.17 | noda | Oh ick. |
| 05:14.20 | kergoth | noda: shit was due to a bug in moc |
| 05:14.20 | noda | Yeah |
| 05:14.21 | kergoth | noda: !! |
| 05:14.26 | kergoth | noda: new qt/e will solve it |
| 05:14.26 | noda | NO WAY... |
| 05:14.30 | kergoth | yup |
| 05:14.30 | noda | So what do you use now? |
| 05:14.34 | kergoth | latest snapshot |
| 05:14.37 | noda | Ah. |
| 05:14.37 | kergoth | like we used to before beta2 |
| 05:14.44 | kergoth | so every couple days we'll have to update the makefile |
| 05:14.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:14.48 | noda | Heh |
| 05:15.07 | noda | Um... guess that means I can't install the 3.2 either, eh :( |
| 05:17.16 | noda | Ooh, this is a great, verbose question; question: "sync". Answer: "" |
| 05:17.46 | kergoth | lol |
| 05:19.24 | noda | Gnah, person submitting a FAQ with <P>'s used as if they were <br />'s... |
| 05:20.14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:20.15 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 05:20.35 | noda | Okay, who actually approved an FAQ that had "<auto>" in the text? :P |
| 05:21.43 | noda | :P |
| 05:25.06 | noda | There, the current FAQs meet my standards again :P |
| 05:25.43 | noda | Up to 70 FAQs by the way :) |
| 05:25.55 | kergoth | damn |
| 05:25.57 | kergoth | heh :) |
| 05:26.06 | noda | And 4765 downloads |
| 05:26.31 | noda | Since Nov 14 |
| 05:27.10 | noda | And 167000 page loads since Nov 11th :) |
| 05:27.40 | noda | That's 3.85 page loads per second :) |
| 05:28.25 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:28.26 | kergoth | damn |
| 05:28.28 | noda | Erm, or is that minutes... |
| 05:28.34 | kergoth | ehe |
| 05:28.50 | noda | Yeah, 3.85/minute :P |
| 05:28.53 | noda | (whoops :P) |
| 05:29.12 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 05:29.13 | noda | Around a page every 15 seconds. |
| 05:29.20 | noda | I can live with it :) |
| 05:29.44 | noda | Ooh this is very cool. I was playing around in my nVidia driver's README and I discovered the mouse shadow. Whee. :) |
| 05:29.56 | noda | Hardware alpha-blended X cursor! :) |
| 05:30.11 | kergoth | nice. |
| 05:30.13 | noda | Very... useless :) |
| 05:30.19 | kergoth | but spiffy! |
| 05:30.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:30.25 | noda | I just don't see the point, but I'm keeping it because maybe it'll come to me. |
| 05:30.26 | noda | Yeah, spiffy! |
| 05:30.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:31.00 | noda | Here I am with... no, I don't even have *gradients* in any style anywhere on my computer, let alone curves or shadows... |
| 05:32.23 | billytwowilly | hey kergoth, had a chance to look into that keyboard thing for me yet? |
| 05:33.39 | kergoth | billytwowilly: no, i'm working on the rc1 release |
| 05:34.21 | billytwowilly | kergoth: That's cool, I'll just ask you every time I see you on here;) it'll probably be every couple days till I leave on the 19th, then two weeks after that It'll be every couple days again;) I just happened to see you twice today;) |
| 05:34.42 | kergoth | billytwowilly: hehe. thats cool |
| 05:34.53 | billytwowilly | or you could just say there's no way you'll be able to check till after the 19th and i'll leave you alone till I get back from the dominican;) |
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| 05:41.03 | parity | test... |
| 05:41.41 | parity | anyone here? |
| 05:42.00 | kergoth | parity: test failed |
| 05:42.37 | parity | lol |
| 05:42.59 | parity | i cant believe this thing is workong |
| 05:43.09 | parity | working even |
| 05:44.17 | parity | i think i found a bug with the irc client though |
| 05:45.09 | parity | do i report that to you or is it a thirdparty app? |
| 05:45.26 | kergoth | parity: http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 05:45.39 | parity | cool |
| 05:49.11 | kergoth | hey cbok |
| 05:49.50 | cbok | hows it going sir? |
| 05:50.03 | kergoth | not bad at all, yourself? |
| 05:50.14 | cbok | winding down.. |
| 05:50.22 | parity | i just wanna say kergoth, oz kicks ass |
| 05:50.23 | cbok | in cupertino, ca |
| 05:50.25 | cbok | until sunday |
| 05:50.30 | cbok | :-| |
| 05:50.52 | kergoth | cbok: ahh |
| 05:50.56 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 05:51.00 | cbok | yeah |
| 05:51.04 | kergoth | parity: thanks! glad to hear you like it |
| 05:51.37 | cbok | was up at 4am today |
| 05:51.46 | cbok | to catch a 6am flight out here |
| 05:51.47 | cbok | *yawn* |
| 05:51.53 | kergoth | damn |
| 05:51.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:52.01 | kergoth | whatre you doin out there? work? |
| 05:52.06 | cbok | yeah |
| 05:52.07 | cbok | werk.. |
| 05:52.17 | cbok | we're at a large colo facililty here |
| 05:52.19 | cbok | and get this. |
| 05:52.28 | cbok | these cages, dont go up to the ceiling |
| 05:52.32 | cbok | and the ceiling are drop panels |
| 05:52.44 | cbok | so, what sthe point of the biometrics and bullet proof glass? |
| 05:52.51 | cbok | want me to steal you anything? |
| 05:52.54 | kergoth | lol |
| 05:53.07 | cbok | i'm very disappointed |
| 05:53.13 | cbok | 'cuz the mantraps and stuff are cool |
| 05:53.22 | cbok | but once you're in, it's game over |
| 05:53.24 | kergoth | oh i bet. |
| 05:53.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:53.26 | cbok | :-D |
| 05:53.32 | kergoth | brb |
| 05:54.00 | DaWorm | hehe |
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| 05:54.06 | DaWorm | i used to see one of those colocs |
| 05:54.10 | DaWorm | man they're huge |
| 05:54.42 | DaWorm | the one i've visited had 10 sun e10ks in one area |
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| 07:06.49 | lsmith | guess it did not yet work out for a RC1 |
| 07:06.54 | lsmith | oh well .. so it goes |
| 07:08.49 | kergoth | lsmith: opie is *still* building |
| 07:08.54 | kergoth | damn slow ass dual p3 450 |
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| 07:16.26 | ult | hmm, will hancom word work in the 3.1 you are working on, Kergoth? |
| 07:16.38 | kergoth | ult: all the hancom apps work flawless on any recent opie build |
| 07:16.41 | kergoth | ult: so yes. |
| 07:17.14 | vandal | anything that would help being tested kergoth? |
| 07:17.49 | ult | ker: nifty |
| 07:18.30 | kergoth | lsmith: thats what this release is *for* |
| 07:18.31 | kergoth | lsmith: testing |
| 07:18.36 | kergoth | lsmith: its a release candidate. a beta. |
| 07:18.57 | lsmith | oh ... uhm didnt see an announcement |
| 07:19.02 | kergoth | ? |
| 07:19.08 | kergoth | its not released |
| 07:19.14 | kergoth | hence theres no announcement |
| 07:19.21 | kergoth | you can test when its released. |
| 07:19.50 | lsmith | ok so atm its of no use to test anything but your own compile from bk |
| 07:19.54 | lsmith | thats all i am asking |
| 07:20.01 | kergoth | eh? |
| 07:20.13 | kergoth | well people testing old stuff doesnt tell us much |
| 07:20.19 | kergoth | bug reports against old pacakges are useless |
| 07:20.57 | lsmith | why are you so pissed off? ... i dont have the mean currently to help with the source .. so i am asking you if there is something i can test |
| 07:21.08 | kergoth | what? |
| 07:21.09 | lsmith | but thats fine |
| 07:21.15 | kergoth | ? |
| 07:21.20 | kergoth | 1) not pissed |
| 07:21.25 | kergoth | 2) you can test when rc1 is available |
| 07:21.32 | kergoth | wheres the confusion yet in? |
| 07:21.51 | kergoth | theres plenty to test, and its all in the rc1 release. your testing anything but that wont help |
| 07:21.58 | kergoth | which is exactly what i just said |
| 07:21.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:22.49 | lsmith | sorry ... i seem to not understand you most of the times then ... might be a language barrier thing |
| 07:23.14 | kergoth | theres lots to be tested, none of which is released and available for you to download and test yet. |
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| 07:23.27 | kergoth | when rc1 is available, pound it, test everything you can think to test in it |
| 07:23.32 | lsmith | ok, i got that :-) |
| 07:23.33 | kergoth | this is our testing cycle for 3.1 |
| 07:23.37 | kergoth | good good |
| 07:29.18 | DaWorm | whoa |
| 07:29.23 | DaWorm | you still awake eh kergoth |
| 07:29.33 | kergoth | yeap |
| 07:29.41 | kergoth | shouldve been in bed 2 hours ago, but not tired |
| 07:29.54 | DaWorm | finished doing stuff? |
| 07:29.54 | kergoth | also figured this damn build would finish, but its takin too long |
| 07:30.02 | kergoth | just sitting on my ass waiting for this build |
| 07:30.06 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 07:30.23 | DaWorm | borked? |
| 07:30.25 | kergoth | im going to go read a book or something ,then sleep |
| 07:30.28 | kergoth | naw, just slow :) |
| 07:30.30 | kergoth | had to do a mrproper |
| 07:30.34 | kergoth | and rebuild from the ground up |
| 07:30.50 | DaWorm | ok see ya then |
| 07:30.53 | kergoth`zzz | ttyl |
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| 09:01.50 | H4NZ0 | can I use opie apps with standard Z ROM ? |
| 09:02.35 | smee|h | most of them...they are binary compatable |
| 09:02.50 | H4NZ0 | oh kewl! |
| 09:03.04 | H4NZ0 | what do I need to do to install opie-liquid ? |
| 09:03.17 | smee|h | that wont work though :) |
| 09:03.32 | H4NZ0 | doh |
| 09:03.37 | H4NZ0 | ^_^; |
| 09:07.18 | nobse | H4NZ0: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=782 |
| 09:07.48 | H4NZ0 | oh |
| 09:08.18 | H4NZ0 | its commercial :) |
| 09:09.10 | nobse | H4NZ0: ist GPL |
| 09:10.27 | nobse | H4NZ0: use oz, then you don't need zstyle :) |
| 09:11.04 | H4NZ0 | hmm maybe i'll buy it anyway |
| 09:11.04 | H4NZ0 | quite cheap.. |
| 09:11.04 | H4NZ0 | nobs.. i'll look into it.. thanks |
| 09:11.04 | H4NZ0 | nobs.. I still need Jeode :) |
| 09:11.59 | DaWorm | you can run jeode on oz |
| 09:12.03 | DaWorm | i do |
| 09:12.05 | DaWorm | :) |
| 09:12.13 | nobse | H4NZ0: use http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=521 |
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| 09:19.06 | H4NZ0 | jeodcreator.. yeah |
| 09:19.06 | H4NZ0 | I'll get myself a cf first.. |
| 09:19.06 | H4NZ0 | 32 megs is not enough.. |
| 09:23.43 | H4NZ0 | excuse me.. |
| 09:23.51 | H4NZ0 | how to compile source codes ? |
| 09:24.34 | nobse | H4NZ0: for the z? with a crosscompiler. |
| 09:25.24 | Laze | Just wondering: How hard would i be to port the Phoenix browser to the Zaurus? http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/ - it seems just as good as Konquer and Opera, just a lot smaller. |
| 09:28.04 | DaWorm | try it why not |
| 09:38.49 | H4NZ0 | gtg all |
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| 09:46.50 | pnis | Hi |
| 09:47.36 | pnis | I am wondering if I could get write access to buildroot to upadte xmms-embedded (and player libmikmod needed by xmms and to enhance them) |
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| 09:50.09 | pnis | I guess nobody is here who could help me |
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| 09:54.10 | Piete | Hi all :) |
| 09:54.32 | pnis | hi |
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| 12:39.11 | Twiun | afternoon |
| 12:46.03 | schurig | Afternoon 2u2 |
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| 13:13.04 | Twiun | hiya Cloudchaser |
| 13:23.06 | Cloudchaser | hiya twiun |
| 13:24.46 | schurig | Has anyone of you tried the uic created by uicmoc? |
| 13:26.27 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: good news... my gf got herself a well place job ;-) |
| 13:26.36 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: I'll be able to sponge off her a while longer |
| 13:26.54 | Twiun | s/place/placed/ |
| 13:27.10 | Cloudchaser | wow great! |
| 13:27.17 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 13:27.20 | Cloudchaser | happy to hear that |
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| 13:27.32 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 13:27.40 | Twiun | yo |
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| 13:39.01 | noda | Moo! |
| 13:39.21 | chouimat | mooo! |
| 13:39.31 | noda | So, what happened to releasing something last night? :) |
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| 13:42.09 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 13:42.35 | Dessimat0r | noda: such things never soocur until the following night ;) |
| 13:42.39 | Dessimat0r | soccur = occur |
| 13:42.40 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 13:42.59 | noda | Heh |
| 13:43.03 | noda | I coulda been STUDYING :P |
| 13:43.24 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 13:43.35 | Dessimat0r | had your test yet? |
| 13:43.46 | noda | Nah, leaving in 5. |
| 13:43.51 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 13:43.59 | noda | Wow, I've actually remembered Cramer's Rule overnight! Now I only forget where to apply it ;P |
| 13:44.01 | Dessimat0r | are you studing now? ;) |
| 13:44.03 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 13:44.09 | Dessimat0r | what is Cramer's rule? |
| 13:44.46 | noda | If A is invertible and Ax = b (where x and b are vectors and A is a matrix), then x = 1/detA * adjA |
| 13:44.59 | Dessimat0r | gerk |
| 13:45.00 | noda | Wait a sec, no |
| 13:45.03 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 13:45.28 | noda | x = 1/detA * (det(A1), det(A2), ...) where Ai is A with its ith column replaced by b. |
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| 14:15.47 | ciaolinux | morning |
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| 14:16.47 | Rince | hello :-) |
| 14:17.00 | nobse | hi rince |
| 14:17.06 | Rince | Question: what is the package-name for the VNC-Server in oz? Apparently there is currently none? |
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| 14:17.41 | nobse | Rince: fbvncserver IIRC |
| 14:18.00 | nobse | http://www.openzaurus.org/feeds/unstable/fbvncserver_0.3-2d_arm.ipk |
| 14:18.36 | nobse | Was removed from 3.0 because of some problems. |
| 14:18.54 | Rince | thx :-) |
| 14:21.01 | Rince | Hmm.. |
| 14:21.02 | Rince | # ipkg -d mtdram install fbvncserver_0.3-2d_arm.ipk |
| 14:21.02 | Rince | Terminated |
| 14:21.02 | Rince | # echo $? |
| 14:21.02 | Rince | 143 |
| 14:21.12 | Rince | I think I see the problem.. :-) |
| 14:21.42 | ciaolinux | noda: wouldn't be easier to say x=A^(-1)b? |
| 14:22.22 | Dilb | lo |
| 14:23.31 | nobse | Rince: hmm... its working here |
| 14:23.39 | nobse | Rince: you're using 3.0? |
| 14:24.02 | ciaolinux | did anyone here try the init.bin in http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/unstable/flash? |
| 14:24.14 | nobse | ciaolinux: I did, works great. |
| 14:24.34 | chouimat | ciaolinux: any problem with my kernel? |
| 14:24.36 | ciaolinux | nobse: do you have any problem with the cf suspend/resume? |
| 14:24.45 | ciaolinux | chouimat: well i still have the same problem... |
| 14:24.51 | nobse | ciaolinux: I never hat these problem, only heared from it. |
| 14:24.55 | chouimat | ciaolinux: describe |
| 14:25.23 | ciaolinux | chouimat: whenever i suspend and resume my cf card is unmounted and then remounted... i.e. i have to wait at least 30 sec to use the Z |
| 14:26.28 | ciaolinux | nobse: that is strange... everyone had that problem before ... now it seems that i am the only one left with that problem |
| 14:26.28 | nobse | ciaolinux: heh |
| 14:26.28 | ciaolinux | nobse: do you use a cf card? |
| 14:26.34 | nobse | ciaolinux: sure |
| 14:26.42 | ciaolinux | nobse: what fs? |
| 14:26.46 | nobse | ciaolinux: vfat |
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| 14:30.17 | Rince | I will try something else yet... |
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| 14:58.54 | nobse | schurig: cool |
| 14:58.55 | aman | schurig how |
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| 15:03.29 | schurig | aman: did you have the bug, too? |
| 15:03.41 | schurig | s/bug/segfault/ |
| 15:05.48 | schurig | aman: I used "gdb" to do a backtrace. The segfault happenend when main() calling return 0. At this time some C++ tidy-up code release all the memory of allocated objects. And something here was broken. I decided that this is unnecessary, since the linux kernel get's rid of the allocated memory anyway and changed the return 0 into an _exit(0). |
| 15:06.59 | benmeyer | did 3.1 get released yesterday? |
| 15:08.03 | ljp_work | doubt it |
| 15:09.04 | schurig | benmeyer: why do you think so? |
| 15:11.07 | benmeyer | because they wanted me to fix all of the outstanding issues in network setup for the 3.1 release |
| 15:11.13 | benmeyer | so I stayed late yesterday and did that |
| 15:14.32 | aman | schurig cool |
| 15:14.37 | ljp_work | well, I know they were certainly talking about releasing |
| 15:14.40 | aman | benmeyer :) i don't think we released |
| 15:14.42 | lsmith | 3.1 rc1 did not get released yet |
| 15:14.43 | aman | not sure what happened |
| 15:15.10 | lsmith | kergoth was still compiling when i got online 8:30 CET |
| 15:15.14 | aman | about what |
| 15:15.46 | aman | i'm going to do an unofficial release in a bit.. |
| 15:16.04 | Onyx4 | benmeyer: did you fix some issues where if you set the wep keys , it wrote down key0= and key="key0 open" |
| 15:16.13 | Onyx4 | the pcmcia wireless script didn't seem to like that |
| 15:16.28 | Onyx4 | it also had problems reading up existing stuff that had quotes around it |
| 15:16.40 | Onyx4 | it would add the quotes in the dialog box |
| 15:16.47 | aman | i built opie from scratch in 4 minutes last night |
| 15:16.49 | aman | it was amazing |
| 15:16.52 | aman | i think its cuz of ccache |
| 15:17.37 | schurig | aman: cool |
| 15:17.55 | Onyx4 | how do you enable ccache with the buildroot? |
| 15:18.03 | benmeyer | Onyx4: hmmm I will try that now |
| 15:18.26 | aman | Onyx4 it does it for you, just make sure its installed |
| 15:18.28 | aman | apt-get install ccache |
| 15:18.36 | schurig | I have a Vars.local in my buildroot with |
| 15:18.38 | Onyx4 | benmeyer: for some reason my wireless.opts file only works when it has key="number open" but not the key0= statement at the same time |
| 15:18.38 | schurig | export CROSS_DIR = /usr/local/arm/2.95.3 |
| 15:18.38 | schurig | export CC = ccache $(CROSS)gcc |
| 15:18.39 | schurig | export CXX = ccache $(CROSS)g++ |
| 15:18.39 | schurig | export CC_FOR_BUILD = ccache gcc |
| 15:18.40 | schurig | export CXX_FOR_BUILD = ccache g++ |
| 15:18.46 | schurig | that enables ccache |
| 15:19.21 | benmeyer | How odd |
| 15:19.31 | aman | benmeyer ? |
| 15:19.32 | benmeyer | I simply had them there sense it was an easy play to store them |
| 15:19.59 | benmeyer | maybe is seese it as KEY 0=a |
| 15:20.07 | benmeyer | I will put # in front of them |
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| 15:20.38 | aman | hey prpplague |
| 15:20.40 | benmeyer | done, anything else? |
| 15:22.06 | Onyx4 | benmeyer: oh yes, in infrastructure mode, don't save the channel=6 , take it out |
| 15:22.17 | Onyx4 | maybe that's what actually caused it not to work |
| 15:22.24 | Onyx4 | but I took out both that and the key0= |
| 15:22.34 | benmeyer | ? |
| 15:22.37 | aman | ibot botmail for andyq one thing with zremote, it only triggers the rc send when something in the list is "highlighted" not when its clicked, so you can't click on one thing more than once.. |
| 15:22.41 | benmeyer | you mean don't even select a channel? |
| 15:22.46 | Onyx4 | nope |
| 15:22.55 | aman | benmeyer yep, in infrastructure there's no channel afaik |
| 15:23.02 | Onyx4 | infrastructure knows how to pick which channel from the AP name/broadcast |
| 15:23.23 | benmeyer | So just have ESSID=any and MODE=Managed |
| 15:23.29 | Onyx4 | like at home, i'm on channel 1, so channel should become grayed out when in infra mode |
| 15:23.44 | benmeyer | yah it does grey out |
| 15:23.48 | Onyx4 | or ESSID could also be a fixed name |
| 15:23.58 | Onyx4 | but don't save channel to the file, remove it |
| 15:24.03 | benmeyer | but channel=6 still gets written |
| 15:24.04 | Onyx4 | so you just leave the name and mode |
| 15:24.04 | benmeyer | ok done |
| 15:24.07 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 15:24.11 | benmeyer | what else? |
| 15:24.48 | Onyx4 | for pcmcia cards in general, you don't want them to have people set "auto" in interfaces, since it will try to bring them up before pcmcia |
| 15:25.12 | benmeyer | oh? |
| 15:25.27 | Onyx4 | pcmcia calls the ifup for the interface |
| 15:25.40 | Onyx4 | so you don't want the startup script to try |
| 15:25.44 | benmeyer | Yah I noticed that the interfaces file by default didn't have auto for etho0 and wlan0 |
| 15:26.01 | Onyx4 | that is how it should stay too |
| 15:26.01 | benmeyer | does pcmcia check interfaces? |
| 15:26.04 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 15:26.10 | Onyx4 | on OZ now it uses interfaces |
| 15:26.13 | benmeyer | ok, so I am not sure what you mean |
| 15:26.13 | prpplague | morning all |
| 15:26.21 | Onyx4 | IF you don't specify other parameters in network.opts |
| 15:26.31 | Onyx4 | which means you leave the default network.opts untouched |
| 15:27.05 | Onyx4 | if you look carefully in network.opts there is a little comment at the end to support ifup/ifdown |
| 15:27.24 | Onyx4 | if basically bypasses that file if some conditions are met (such as /etc/network/interfaces exist) and such |
| 15:27.33 | benmeyer | ok |
| 15:27.36 | benmeyer | yah I don't touch that |
| 15:27.38 | DaJoker | what he's saying is you only need Auto selection on usb/irda connections because every other connection is handled by pcmcia |
| 15:27.54 | Onyx4 | benmeyer: that's why your networksetup is working with interfaces for us now |
| 15:28.08 | Onyx4 | I think only the GUI should have the box grayed out for pcmcia cards for the auto flag |
| 15:28.42 | Onyx4 | basically even usb interface you don't want auto |
| 15:28.52 | Onyx4 | I cannot think of an interface that you want auto basically... except lo |
| 15:29.21 | Onyx4 | cause usb gets the ifup call from the hotplug script |
| 15:29.50 | benmeyer | are you asking me to change somehting or not? |
| 15:30.03 | Onyx4 | benmeyer: yes |
| 15:30.05 | Onyx4 | the gui part |
| 15:30.09 | Onyx4 | in tcp/ip options |
| 15:30.18 | Onyx4 | I would take out the ability to set the card to auto |
| 15:30.29 | Onyx4 | that's what the "bring up on boot" checkbox does right? |
| 15:30.29 | benmeyer | why? |
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| 15:30.44 | benmeyer | it sets the interface file's auto line |
| 15:31.16 | Onyx4 | correct, auto makes the Z try to bring up the interface at boot time like if you would have a pci card or something static not removable |
| 15:31.31 | benmeyer | ok... |
| 15:31.41 | Onyx4 | if you have a removable device like CF or usb, it gets manually "ifup" upon inserting |
| 15:31.44 | benmeyer | now if the line isn't set in interfaces how does it get "up" |
| 15:31.49 | Onyx4 | which happens at boot time, it receives an "insert event" |
| 15:31.49 | benmeyer | how? |
| 15:31.57 | benmeyer | define "it" |
| 15:32.04 | Onyx4 | ok pcmcia cardmgr starts |
| 15:32.09 | Onyx4 | finds the cards |
| 15:32.17 | benmeyer | on boot or when a card is inserted? |
| 15:32.18 | Onyx4 | execute the /etc/pcmcia/network script |
| 15:32.22 | Onyx4 | both |
| 15:32.26 | benmeyer | ok |
| 15:32.29 | Onyx4 | cardmgr starts up on boot and always runs |
| 15:32.40 | benmeyer | ok.... |
| 15:32.48 | Onyx4 | so it detects the card when it first starts, but will on any eject insert |
| 15:32.59 | benmeyer | so I though that it would check the interfaces file |
| 15:33.02 | Onyx4 | then the /etc/pcmcia/network script calls ifup/ifdown appropriately |
| 15:33.15 | Onyx4 | which uses interfaces file :) |
| 15:33.20 | benmeyer | how does it determine if it should go up or down? |
| 15:33.26 | aman | ncurses patch failing? |
| 15:33.27 | benmeyer | when inserted |
| 15:33.44 | Onyx4 | the script is called with "start/stop/resume/suspend" parameter |
| 15:33.52 | Onyx4 | cardmgr calls it with the right event |
| 15:34.14 | Onyx4 | in the script there is a logic to call ifup or ifdown dependong on the event passed by cardmgr |
| 15:34.15 | aman | $(TOPDIR)/packages/$(Name)/$(Name)-5.2.patch; \ |
| 15:34.17 | benmeyer | how does cardmgr get the "right event" |
| 15:34.25 | aman | that patch fails on the 5.3 we're using |
| 15:34.28 | Onyx4 | it scans the pcmcia/CF bus |
| 15:34.32 | Onyx4 | it knows |
| 15:34.32 | benmeyer | ? |
| 15:34.52 | Onyx4 | like usb knows when you plug something |
| 15:34.54 | Onyx4 | the kernel tells it |
| 15:34.58 | aman | bah, who upgraded ncurses!? |
| 15:34.59 | benmeyer | ok so on insert it will *always* know to call ifup? |
| 15:35.06 | aman | benmeyer yes. |
| 15:35.18 | Onyx4 | yes (at least on OZ) |
| 15:35.20 | benmeyer | hmm then why if in interfaces the auto isn't checked it wont go up? |
| 15:35.32 | Onyx4 | because we use the debianism of pcmcia which is adapted to use ifup/ifdown |
| 15:35.45 | benmeyer | ok, so what is the problem? |
| 15:35.51 | Onyx4 | don't set auto :) |
| 15:35.55 | benmeyer | why? |
| 15:35.58 | Onyx4 | it's _bad_ :) |
| 15:36.06 | aman | because it tries to bring up the interface before pcmcia is started |
| 15:36.06 | benmeyer | why is it bad? |
| 15:36.11 | aman | and there is no card, so it can't come up |
| 15:36.11 | Onyx4 | cause it's a device that needs to brought up manually |
| 15:36.12 | Onyx4 | not auto |
| 15:36.18 | benmeyer | but I thought pcmcia called ifup? |
| 15:36.19 | aman | pcmcia will take care of ifup |
| 15:36.27 | aman | with auto, ifup is called before pcmcia |
| 15:36.30 | aman | something like that |
| 15:36.40 | aman | someone fix the ncurses builds |
| 15:36.41 | Onyx4 | auto is only for a device that no-one will bring up |
| 15:36.41 | benmeyer | auto has never failed for me before |
| 15:36.44 | aman | they're all screwy |
| 15:36.50 | Onyx4 | like loopback |
| 15:36.54 | benmeyer | and eth0? |
| 15:36.55 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 15:36.56 | Onyx4 | loopback is not inserted ejected, |
| 15:37.01 | Onyx4 | so it needs auto |
| 15:37.03 | benmeyer | so? |
| 15:37.11 | Onyx4 | otherwise it would not be brought up |
| 15:37.18 | benmeyer | Have you been having problems with it being started? |
| 15:37.24 | Onyx4 | eth0 doesn't need auto as well, it's a CF card |
| 15:37.26 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: auto causes an interface to come up on boot. you dont want it on boot as the card may not be inserted at th time. |
| 15:37.41 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: you want interface status to be controled by card insertion/ejection, not bootup process. |
| 15:37.43 | benmeyer | kergoth`zzz: I fail to see that logic |
| 15:37.47 | kergoth`zzz | huh? |
| 15:37.56 | kergoth`zzz | 1) enable auto 2) remove card 3) reboot 4) watch the errors |
| 15:37.59 | Onyx4 | benmeyer: yes people have complained that sometimes their card won't come up at boot, but will come up when you have eject/insert |
| 15:38.08 | benmeyer | yah on boot it might try to bring it up, but the rest of the time.... |
| 15:38.15 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: right, and why would you want that? |
| 15:38.18 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: its fucking stupid. |
| 15:38.24 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: pcmcia-cs controls it. |
| 15:38.26 | kergoth`zzz | its completely within its realm |
| 15:38.27 | benmeyer | if it tries and the card doesn't exists then it will just error out and be fine |
| 15:38.54 | Onyx4 | benmeyer: on on a debian laptop, it doesn't set auto for pcmcia cards, that's just how it works |
| 15:38.57 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: in theory. it gains you nothing. it does *not* help you. |
| 15:38.58 | benmeyer | but pda's arn't exactly rebooted |
| 15:39.01 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: therefore its useless. |
| 15:39.04 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: and *not* recommended |
| 15:39.13 | Onyx4 | yep |
| 15:39.14 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: interface status is to be controlled by pcmcia-cs, *not* the boot process. |
| 15:39.25 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: doing otherwise is not supported by us. you're on your own. |
| 15:39.26 | benmeyer | ok, so if I remove the option from my application. How does a user "bring up" the card? |
| 15:39.37 | Onyx4 | pcmcia will for the user |
| 15:39.39 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: remove what option? i just got here |
| 15:39.41 | benmeyer | but doesn't pcmcia-cs check interfaces? |
| 15:39.47 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: pcmcia brings it up and down implicitly |
| 15:39.51 | benmeyer | the auto option in network setup |
| 15:39.54 | benmeyer | no it doesn't |
| 15:39.55 | kergoth`zzz | jesus |
| 15:39.58 | kergoth`zzz | auto controls *BOOTUP* |
| 15:40.04 | benmeyer | if auto isn't set my cards wont turn on |
| 15:40.07 | kergoth`zzz | pcmcia brings it up *regardless* |
| 15:40.09 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: thats bullshit. |
| 15:40.16 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: thats something wrong in your environment. |
| 15:40.17 | benmeyer | yah on bootup I might have to take it out and put it back in |
| 15:40.19 | Onyx4 | benmeyer: which distribution? |
| 15:40.22 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: wrong. |
| 15:40.24 | benmeyer | OZ |
| 15:40.30 | Onyx4 | which OZ? |
| 15:40.30 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: auto controls the *NETWORK* startup script |
| 15:40.32 | benmeyer | 3.0 |
| 15:40.40 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: *pcmcia*'s cardmgr will bring it up on boot regardless. |
| 15:40.44 | benmeyer | yah I know, what are you taking about? |
| 15:40.46 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: as it picks up an insert event |
| 15:40.54 | benmeyer | ok. |
| 15:40.56 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: *auto* only controls the network startup script |
| 15:40.59 | Onyx4 | if it doesn't bring it on boot if you don't have auto, we have a difference bug |
| 15:41.02 | kergoth`zzz | benmeyer: it does *not* control pcmcia behavior at all. |
| 15:41.06 | benmeyer | ah |
| 15:41.08 | benmeyer | ok |
| 15:41.11 | Onyx4 | difference=different |
| 15:41.19 | kergoth`zzz | right. |
| 15:41.26 | kergoth`zzz | then cardmgr on boot isnt picking up the insert event |
| 15:41.29 | kergoth`zzz | which would be a valid bug |
| 15:41.45 | kergoth`zzz | but has nothing to do with the matter at hand, which is the fact that auto is irrelevent for pcmcia devices |
| 15:42.33 | kergoth | ;) |
| 15:42.51 | kergoth | okay my build has been done since like 4am, i suppose i should upload this and call it rc1 |
| 15:43.28 | kergoth | hey pb_, not feeling well? |
| 15:43.52 | pb_ | hey kergoth - no, had some kind of stomach bug this morning, though I'm feeling better now. |
| 15:43.54 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: does the 'add new task' bit on Opie-Todo look okay? |
| 15:44.01 | Onyx4 | benmeyer: basically, the option for "bring up on boot auto" should be either removed or left like that with a warning saying "you don't want this for a removable device" |
| 15:44.07 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: before you commit it to RC1 ;) |
| 15:44.08 | Onyx4 | or something like that so that users dont select it |
| 15:44.25 | Onyx4 | but you can still let them do it... up to you |
| 15:44.34 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: i'm releasing regardless of the state of tood |
| 15:44.37 | kergoth | pb_: ah, glad to hear it |
| 15:44.40 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 15:44.43 | benmeyer | Onyx4: ok |
| 15:44.50 | kergoth | Onyx4: well, then he'd have to check to see if its a pcmcia device.. |
| 15:45.05 | Onyx4 | yeah, altough usb is also same deal |
| 15:45.06 | kergoth | Onyx4: right now all the interfaces are treated as just interfaces, i dont think he marks anything as explicitly removable |
| 15:45.13 | kergoth | Onyx4: yep, usb is hotplug |
| 15:45.19 | kergoth | Onyx4: but irda is manual |
| 15:45.21 | Onyx4 | so what type of interface could be static? |
| 15:45.22 | kergoth | Onyx4: lo is auto |
| 15:45.29 | kergoth | Onyx4: what about tunneling interfaces? |
| 15:45.35 | Onyx4 | yeah I was thinking that |
| 15:45.36 | kergoth | Onyx4: the user would decide what they want them to do |
| 15:45.40 | benmeyer | kergoth: just to let you know I have just commited some WEP config bugs that Onyx4 informed me of for yoru RC1 might now work for WEP |
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| 15:46.00 | kergoth | Onyx4: you'd need a way to explicitly flag an interface as removable.. which i see as not hugely beneficial |
| 15:46.01 | Onyx4 | kergoth: could you just cvs up opie and rebuild before Rc1? |
| 15:46.04 | kergoth | i say just leave it as is |
| 15:46.06 | kergoth | Onyx4: yep, planning on it |
| 15:46.14 | Onyx4 | k |
| 15:46.28 | Dessimat0r | excellent ;) |
| 15:46.44 | Onyx4 | benmeyer: ok let's just keep it as-is for now, we'll see if it causes problems with rc1 |
| 15:46.55 | Onyx4 | just make sure the box isn't checked by default, which I think is the current way |
| 15:47.04 | benmeyer | yah it is like that by default |
| 15:47.08 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 15:47.21 | benmeyer | kergoth did you ever modify the dhcp client to output all of the needed info? |
| 15:48.55 | ljp_work | first you have to donate to harlekin's paypal account |
| 15:48.58 | ljp_work | whoops |
| 15:49.02 | ljp_work | heh wrong ch |
| 15:49.38 | pb_ | crumbs, which channel needs you to donate money to Harlekin? :-) |
| 15:49.53 | ljp_work | oi |
| 15:50.21 | ljp_work | damn cursor is hard to see |
| 15:51.51 | Dessimat0r | brb, restarting - new RAID Drivers |
| 15:52.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:52.52 | kergoth | hey schurig |
| 15:52.57 | schurig | hi |
| 15:52.57 | kergoth | schurig: we have to use a snapshot for qt/e |
| 15:53.00 | kergoth | schurig: beta2 has a bug |
| 15:53.13 | bbeattie | I just noticed that Dr. Z Video Player is now GPL, not commercial. |
| 15:53.36 | kergoth | schurig: its moc causes apps that segfault on exit if they dont create a qApp |
| 15:53.36 | kergoth | schurig: this was the cause of the opie-login segfaults on exit bug |
| 15:53.36 | bbeattie | when did this happen? |
| 15:53.54 | schurig | kergoth: maybe this was also the real-bug in uic? I fixed it by calling exit(0) instead of return 0; at the end of main() in uic.cpp |
| 15:54.00 | kergoth | schurig: yes, it was the real bug in uic |
| 15:54.07 | kergoth | schurig: i built it from the snapshot and it works great |
| 15:54.12 | kergoth | schurig: pushing the fix now |
| 15:54.38 | kergoth | schurig: sandman informed me of this last night. you'll want to rebuild anything built with the hosed moc.. all of opie or what have you |
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| 15:56.25 | schurig | kergoth: no problem. I am still porting opie to my platform, I'm not yet very far. Many other things that distract my work-time ... my patcher is also not very mature, but at least I can occassionally use it to generate patches. Tomorrow we will have our company xmas party, so I won't do anything at all ... |
| 15:56.37 | kergoth | schurig: hehe. have fun! ;) |
| 16:01.24 | schurig | kergoth: are you pushing "right now"? Nothing pullable yet ... |
| 16:02.40 | kergoth | schurig: bk pull |
| 16:02.51 | kergoth | schurig: remember to mrproper qte and uicmoc |
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| 16:03.49 | Onyx4 | what happens to the things built with the bad moc? |
| 16:04.13 | kergoth | Onyx4: if the app doesnt create a qApp (qpeapplication/qapplication), it segfaults on exit |
| 16:04.17 | kergoth | Onyx4: i.e. opie-alarm, uic |
| 16:04.51 | kergoth | er |
| 16:04.54 | Onyx4 | oh... that'd be bad.. maybe my built has that problem, better do a mrproper |
| 16:04.54 | kergoth | s/opie-alarm/opie-login/ |
| 16:04.56 | kergoth | cant type |
| 16:05.04 | kergoth | Onyx4: yep. mrproper qte, uicmoc, and opie |
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| 16:05.09 | noda | Moo! |
| 16:05.12 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 16:05.22 | noda | kergoth: Still no testing release? :) |
| 16:05.32 | kergoth | noda: bout to upload it |
| 16:05.36 | kergoth | noda: tis all built and ready |
| 16:05.38 | noda | Woo :) |
| 16:05.47 | noda | Oh, btw, does prelink work? |
| 16:06.23 | ciaolinux | kergoth: how different would that be from the image in http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/unstable/flash? |
| 16:07.11 | kergoth | ciaolinux: how should i know? |
| 16:07.19 | kergoth | ciaolinux: thats an unofficial image, i dont support it |
| 16:07.23 | kergoth | ciaolinux: ask tmm1 when that was built |
| 16:07.54 | schurig | kergoth: nice trick with patsubst in uicmoc ... (so we hope that there are never several extracted qtes lying around) |
| 16:07.54 | noda | Hey, "Activity" on sf.net is way back up, eh? 98.0281 |
| 16:08.18 | kergoth | schurig: yeah hopefully :) i got sick of changing so many files every time a snapshot changes.. |
| 16:08.43 | schurig | kergoth: /usr/src/oz/Rules.make:48: *** Recursive variable `Version' references itself (eventually). Stop. |
| 16:08.47 | schurig | I will fix that |
| 16:09.13 | schurig | noda: do they count BK stuff, too? |
| 16:09.18 | Onyx4 | I installed ccache we'll see how faster it is |
| 16:09.55 | kergoth | schurig: := |
| 16:09.58 | kergoth | schurig: hanks |
| 16:09.59 | kergoth | schurig: thanks |
| 16:10.16 | noda | schurig: Nope :) |
| 16:10.30 | noda | Just the stuff sourceforge sees (i.e., bugs :P) |
| 16:10.51 | kergoth | speaking of bugs, i better update the bts before the release |
| 16:10.56 | kergoth | theres probably lots of old crufty bugs |
| 16:11.02 | schurig | kergoth: Hmm, you need to have the version in ONE file, if the build-dir is empty and both qte and uicmoc use patsubst, then this won't work. I'll fix uicmoc/Makefile, because qte depends on uicmoc |
| 16:11.03 | kergoth | stuff thats already fixed or belongs in mantis |
| 16:11.11 | kergoth | schurig: ? |
| 16:11.15 | kergoth | schurig: Vars.make defines QTDIR |
| 16:11.24 | kergoth | schurig: both qte and uicmoc use QTDIR as defined in the global Vars.make |
| 16:12.24 | schurig | Upps, I need to look better at the source before going into ranting-mode ... :-/ |
| 16:12.46 | kergoth | schurig: hehe. do that myself at times ;) |
| 16:13.17 | kergoth | schurig: course i could be evil and make QTDIR $(shell out, wget a file listing from their site, and substitute in the latest version |
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| 16:17.18 | AndyQ | hey everyone |
| 16:17.31 | kergoth | hey andy |
| 16:17.34 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 16:17.57 | noda | AndyQ: Moo |
| 16:18.06 | AndyQ | good - work has finished, I'm working from home tomorrow, its nearly the weekend, and Christmas - so life is good :) |
| 16:18.09 | AndyQ | And yourselves? |
| 16:18.14 | ljp_work | moo this! |
| 16:18.16 | AndyQ | noda: Baaa! |
| 16:18.23 | noda | Just finished my Linear Algebra test - sheesh, I didn't need to study at ALL. |
| 16:18.31 | noda | There was no Cramer's rule, no adjoints... nothing :P |
| 16:18.31 | AndyQ | lol |
| 16:18.53 | kergoth | noda: hah |
| 16:19.11 | AndyQ | hows OZ3.1rc1 coming along? |
| 16:19.34 | noda | brb, bathroom |
| 16:19.46 | AndyQ | noda: more info that I really needed :) |
| 16:20.09 | AndyQ | ljp_work: bet its REALLY warm |
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| 16:21.52 | ljp_work | ewwww |
| 16:21.58 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:22.18 | ljp_work | I didnt think of that |
| 16:22.22 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 16:22.53 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 16:24.05 | noda | Back :) |
| 16:24.28 | AndyQ | noda: ljp sat on your chair |
| 16:24.37 | noda | Eww... |
| 16:24.52 | AndyQ | strange - thats exactly what ljp said :) |
| 16:25.08 | noda | :P |
| 16:25.27 | noda | It's as if... as if I saw what he said even after he's gone! :P |
| 16:25.42 | AndyQ | sppppoooooookkkkkkkyyyyyyy! |
| 16:25.49 | AndyQ | needs more ooooooo's |
| 16:25.54 | kergoth | s/w$//; |
| 16:26.07 | AndyQ | so hows things over there? |
| 16:26.36 | AndyQ | anyone, anyone..... |
| 16:27.06 | noda | The usual |
| 16:27.23 | noda | Maybe will get to see Girl today :) |
| 16:27.37 | AndyQ | :) - have you made a move yet? |
| 16:27.44 | noda | That's a negative :) |
| 16:27.54 | noda | No moves today, either, since her Mom'll be with her. |
| 16:28.02 | AndyQ | Do it - the longer you leave it, the less time you'll have later :) |
| 16:28.17 | noda | AndyQ: Yes, but the thing is, that may be a GOOD thing. |
| 16:28.27 | AndyQ | hmmm???????? |
| 16:28.37 | AndyQ | s/mmm/hu/ |
| 16:28.50 | noda | Do you think I'd put it off if I knew what the answer was? |
| 16:30.11 | noda | FUUUUUUUUCK! |
| 16:30.18 | AndyQ | depends on what the anwser is of course - I mean if its no 'kin way - your a total ***** then don't ask, but if you just have no idea then just do it :) |
| 16:30.31 | noda | Hrm, d'you think Mastercard is liable for my problems with my cell phone provider? (they auto-charge my credit card, which atm doesn't exist) |
| 16:30.58 | AndyQ | heh - doubt it - it never seems to work that way for some reason |
| 16:30.59 | noda | WHAT THE FUCK! $12.50 admin fee for card not authorized. |
| 16:31.20 | noda | FUCK FUCK FUCKERS FUCKERS! The world is full of INCOMPETENT DILDOS! |
| 16:31.45 | kergoth | noda: yeah, what else is new |
| 16:31.54 | noda | Mastercard is either giving me $12.50 or I'm switching banks (and cards) |
| 16:32.05 | AndyQ | that will teach them! |
| 16:32.45 | noda | well, it will :P. I'm keeping a $2500 *credit* on that account, they make interest off my money. I'm sure more than $12.50 a year. |
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| 16:32.57 | noda | aman: Moo |
| 16:33.00 | aman | kergoth whats up |
| 16:33.05 | aman | kergoth ncurses build is messed up |
| 16:33.07 | AndyQ | hey aman |
| 16:33.08 | aman | nohey |
| 16:33.10 | aman | noda hey |
| 16:33.12 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:33.12 | aman | AndyQ get my botmail? |
| 16:33.15 | kergoth | i just built ncurses. |
| 16:33.25 | aman | kergoth its failing on the patch for me.. lemme mrproper and try again |
| 16:33.26 | AndyQ | yup and fixed - you want me to send you them? |
| 16:33.35 | aman | AndyQ yep, email |
| 16:33.43 | AndyQ | aman: remind me :) |
| 16:33.56 | aman | oz@themastermind1.net |
| 16:34.03 | AndyQ | on its way..... |
| 16:34.10 | aman | kergoth hmmk, it didn't download a patch or something. alls fine now |
| 16:34.14 | aman | kergoth what happened to release last night? |
| 16:34.15 | kergoth | aman: k cool |
| 16:34.21 | kergoth | aman: got held off by my slow ass box |
| 16:34.23 | kergoth | aman: :) |
| 16:34.30 | kergoth | aman: opie was still building when i went to bed |
| 16:34.32 | aman | hah |
| 16:34.34 | aman | alright |
| 16:34.36 | kergoth | aman: you need to mrproper your uicmoc, qte, and opie. |
| 16:34.44 | aman | i just wiped everything |
| 16:34.45 | kergoth | aman: we switched to a snapshot |
| 16:34.46 | aman | rebuilding all |
| 16:34.53 | kergoth | aman: remember the opie-login segfault on exit? |
| 16:34.57 | aman | yep |
| 16:34.59 | kergoth | aman: and the uic built from uicmoc segfault? |
| 16:35.05 | kergoth | aman: both caused by the hosed moc in qt 2.3.4-beta2. |
| 16:35.06 | aman | do i need to remove sources for those.. |
| 16:35.07 | aman | hmm |
| 16:35.16 | kergoth | aman: mrproper qte and uicmoc, it needs to redownload |
| 16:35.23 | kergoth | new sources |
| 16:35.48 | aman | install: cannot stat `/home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/packages/busybox/postinst': No such file or directory |
| 16:35.48 | aman | make[2]: *** [/home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/build/ipktemp/busybox-0.61.pre-20021208-6/CONTROL/control] Error 1 |
| 16:36.05 | aman | didn't co i guess |
| 16:36.06 | aman | yea |
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| 16:36.21 | kergoth | aman: bk -r edit -q |
| 16:36.22 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:36.24 | aman | yep |
| 16:36.25 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:36.26 | kergoth | i hate that. |
| 16:36.27 | aman | building.. |
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| 16:37.03 | kergoth | the image is already ready to roll |
| 16:37.13 | noda | kergoth: release that mofo |
| 16:38.05 | AndyQ | kergoth: whats the difference between bk -r co -q and bk -r edit -q? |
| 16:38.18 | kergoth | AndyQ: edit does a co and also locks everything for editing |
| 16:38.26 | kergoth | AndyQ: so you can make changes without bk edit'ing each one |
| 16:38.44 | noda | Yay. Got nice person. I'll get my $12.50 back. |
| 16:38.47 | kergoth | i always -r edit -q in case i'll be making changes, since i usually am |
| 16:38.49 | kergoth | noda: nice |
| 16:38.49 | AndyQ | kergoth: so you should only edit if you are gonna check stuff back into bk |
| 16:38.57 | AndyQ | noda: well done! |
| 16:39.05 | noda | I still don't have my card though :/ |
| 16:39.12 | kergoth | AndyQ: yep |
| 16:39.12 | noda | I think somebody's stealing my credit cards. |
| 16:39.26 | noda | brb |
| 16:39.44 | bipolar | zecke: ping |
| 16:41.28 | aman | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/packages/uicmoc' |
| 16:41.28 | aman | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/packages/uicmoc' |
| 16:41.40 | aman | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.49 | noda | back |
| 16:41.52 | kergoth | aman: oh, cahnge Version to := in uicmoc |
| 16:41.55 | kergoth | aman: fixed, just not pushed |
| 16:42.11 | aman | k |
| 16:43.31 | kergoth | aman: verified the hwclock scripts do theri job |
| 16:43.33 | noda | kergoth: Release! release! :) |
| 16:43.41 | kergoth | aman: you can flash, set time, then reboot without suspending and not lose your time |
| 16:43.45 | kergoth | which is goo |
| 16:43.46 | kergoth | so we're set |
| 16:44.20 | lsmith | nice |
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| 16:45.00 | aman | kergoth wonnnnderfull |
| 16:46.55 | noda | Whee! Time to try out the newest CVS checkout of openbox :) |
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| 16:50.44 | noda | rofl, this is cool, UT2003 has an IRC client :P |
| 16:51.54 | AndyQ | hehe |
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| 16:53.01 | ljp_work | oh distcc is in portage |
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| 17:00.19 | AndyQ | k - off for a bit (christmas shopping - joy o joy) - later |
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| 17:00.44 | pnis | hi |
| 17:00.56 | Onyx4 | shit my uic still segfault |
| 17:01.01 | Onyx4 | what's up with that |
| 17:01.04 | kergoth | Onyx4: mrproper qte, uicmoc, and opie. |
| 17:01.22 | Onyx4 | I did this before I recompiled, but now I saw you did another bkpush |
| 17:01.25 | Onyx4 | is that gonna help? |
| 17:01.27 | pnis | might I perhaps ask for buildroot write access ? I would like to update xmms (&libmikmod needed by xmms, and mplayer too) |
| 17:01.31 | kergoth | Onyx4: ? |
| 17:01.36 | kergoth | Onyx4: we upgraded qt/e |
| 17:01.43 | Onyx4 | ah |
| 17:01.43 | kergoth | Onyx4: to the latest bleeding edge snapshot, which fixes it. |
| 17:01.47 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 17:01.48 | Onyx4 | cool |
| 17:01.51 | kergoth | Onyx4: also fixes the opie-login segfault on exit bug |
| 17:01.55 | kergoth | its the same bug |
| 17:01.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:02.09 | schurig | kergoth: now uicmoc compiles from a clean build system ... |
| 17:02.52 | Onyx4 | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/packages/uicmoc' |
| 17:02.53 | Onyx4 | make[1]: *** Recursive variable `QTDIR' references itself (eventually). Stop. |
| 17:02.53 | Onyx4 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/packages/uicmoc' |
| 17:02.53 | Onyx4 | make: *** [nodeps_packages/uicmoc] Error 2 |
| 17:02.54 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 17:02.58 | kergoth | Onyx4: yeah yeah i know |
| 17:03.02 | Onyx4 | k |
| 17:03.04 | kergoth | Onyx4: just change = to := for Version in uicmoc |
| 17:03.08 | schurig | Onyx4: bk pull again, I just fixed that |
| 17:03.15 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:03.55 | pnis | kergoth: you might be the person to ask - may get buildroot write access to maintain xmms (and some packages related to it, eg libsidplay, libmikmod,mplayer) |
| 17:03.57 | schurig | kergoth: Hmm, I fixed it differently :-) it was stupid to have some QTDIR= in the Makefile sitting around anyway |
| 17:04.00 | pnis | kergoth: co-maintain |
| 17:04.08 | kergoth | schurig: hehe |
| 17:04.09 | kergoth | schurig: cool |
| 17:04.19 | kergoth | schurig: agreed |
| 17:04.50 | Onyx4 | do you want to change the opie-qterev.patch file to that people see the new qte lib and upgrade? |
| 17:04.57 | kergoth | pnis: i am the person to ask, yeah. mail me a ssh v1 rsa public key. |
| 17:04.58 | kergoth | Onyx4: ? |
| 17:05.03 | Onyx4 | and also the corresponding version in the qte makefile |
| 17:05.05 | kergoth | Onyx4: i already handled that. |
| 17:05.17 | kergoth | Onyx4: we now pass QTE_VERSION when we create the qt/e ipks |
| 17:05.24 | kergoth | Onyx4: so $(Version) goes into the ipk's Version |
| 17:05.29 | pnis | kergoth: hehe how do I make that ? :] Ok I try |
| 17:05.35 | kergoth | Onyx4: it'll be 2.3.4-snapshot-blah |
| 17:05.42 | kergoth | pnis: ssh-keygen -t rsa1 |
| 17:05.49 | kergoth | pnis: email me ~/.ssh/identity.pub |
| 17:06.11 | Onyx4 | stamp-ipk = $(IPK_DIR)/$(Name)_2.3.4-5b_arm.ipk |
| 17:06.15 | Onyx4 | this is still there |
| 17:06.22 | kergoth | Onyx4: change 2.3.4 to $(Version) |
| 17:06.29 | pnis | kergoth: ok thanks |
| 17:06.32 | kergoth | Onyx4: harmless, just means it'll keep rebuildng the ipk every time |
| 17:06.33 | Onyx4 | I tought qte used the opie control file to build its package |
| 17:06.36 | Onyx4 | not what we put in the Makefile |
| 17:06.38 | kergoth | huh? |
| 17:06.44 | kergoth | Onyx4: read the control file |
| 17:06.54 | kergoth | Onyx4: version is $QTE_VERSION-4d or whatever |
| 17:06.58 | kergoth | Onyx4: i pass QTE_VERSIOn when i build the ipks |
| 17:07.06 | Onyx4 | gotcha |
| 17:07.26 | kergoth | in fact, we may want to kill -4d |
| 17:07.35 | kergoth | and pass $(Version)-$(Revision) when building the ipks |
| 17:07.39 | kergoth | then we dont have to keep modifying the patch |
| 17:07.59 | pnis | kergoth: I am going to send it as an unencrypted attachmant, to be safe :) |
| 17:08.01 | Onyx4 | good idea |
| 17:08.04 | kergoth | pnis: k |
| 17:08.39 | pnis | kergoth: is your addr. kergoth@digitalnemesis.net ? |
| 17:08.48 | kergoth | pnis: kergoth@handhelds.org is preferred |
| 17:08.55 | kergoth | pnis: handhelds always forwards to the right place |
| 17:09.06 | ljp_work | send klez to him |
| 17:09.54 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:10.17 | pnis | kergoth: ok, I sent it |
| 17:11.12 | ljp_work | can I send you something also? :D |
| 17:11.28 | ljp_work | I have a bunch of spam I want you to review |
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| 17:16.45 | pnis | btw is opiemediaplayer2 now uptodate in feeds/unofficial ? |
| 17:17.03 | pnis | or there is no update ipk while it's in beta/alpha stage? |
| 17:17.08 | pnis | uptodate |
| 17:17.59 | kergoth | pnis: it'll be in the feed |
| 17:20.30 | pnis | kergoth: ah ok |
| 17:20.44 | schurig | kergoth: umps, the update to the new qt-snapshot completely broke my ramses-patch :-( |
| 17:21.14 | schurig | anyway, it's time to go home ... byebey |
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| 17:21.18 | aman | later |
| 17:21.20 | pnis | kergoth: can you suggest a timeframe after which I am able to push my ingenious patches ? :) |
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| 17:23.30 | kergoth | ack, b0rked schurig's patch, that sucks |
| 17:25.40 | pnis | kergoth: or the timeframe is over? not that I am anxious or something :) |
| 17:26.12 | Onyx4 | patching file qt/qt-embedded.control |
| 17:26.13 | Onyx4 | Hunk #1 FAILED at 3. |
| 17:26.13 | Onyx4 | 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file qt/qt-embedded.control.rej |
| 17:26.13 | Onyx4 | Patch->go: patch returned 256 |
| 17:26.23 | Onyx4 | guess it's time to adapt it anyway :) |
| 17:26.27 | kergoth | Onyx4: just did. |
| 17:26.30 | kergoth | Onyx4: wait for the changeset |
| 17:26.31 | Onyx4 | cool ! |
| 17:28.49 | pnis | on the hp it says unstable feed is built nightly automated - that's not the case if I am not mistaken |
| 17:29.03 | pnis | is it built whenever somebody feels like building it? |
| 17:29.04 | kergoth | pnis: its not autobuilt as of yet, thats incorrect |
| 17:29.06 | kergoth | pnis: for now |
| 17:29.09 | kergoth | pnis: need to add a cron job |
| 17:29.27 | kergoth | pnis: you have access. if you want your fixes in rc1/testing branch you better do them fast |
| 17:29.38 | kergoth | pnis: bk parent http://openzaurus@openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot |
| 17:29.40 | kergoth | pnis: then you can bk push |
| 17:29.45 | pnis | kergoth: cool, thhanks! |
| 17:29.54 | pnis | kergoth: when is rc1 released about? |
| 17:30.05 | kergoth | pnis: within hours. |
| 17:30.20 | pnis | kergoth: ok I will definitely fix mplayer xmms and libmikmod now |
| 17:30.26 | kergoth | k |
| 17:30.54 | kergoth | some things definately wont be in testing. i.e. tinyx and picogui are probably going to stay relegated to unstable for now |
| 17:31.04 | kergoth | but the rest will move to testing when rc1 releases |
| 17:31.25 | pnis | i see |
| 17:31.36 | pnis | tinyx is only needed for building btw in xmms' case |
| 17:31.42 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:31.54 | pnis | does it mean xmms won't be built either? |
| 17:32.14 | kergoth | huh? |
| 17:32.14 | kergoth | no |
| 17:32.20 | kergoth | i'm talking about whats going into the testing branch and feeds |
| 17:32.25 | kergoth | nothing about build requirements |
| 17:32.37 | pnis | ok i understand - i thought if it is built automatically or whatever |
| 17:32.41 | kergoth | Onyx4: bk pull |
| 17:32.44 | pnis | but than all is good |
| 17:32.56 | kergoth | all the feeds are manually updated atm |
| 17:33.52 | noda | kergoth: When's RC1? :P |
| 17:34.09 | pnis | kergoth: it now asks for a password when I bk pull |
| 17:34.18 | kergoth | pnis: no, its asking for a pass for your key |
| 17:34.26 | kergoth | pnis: use ssh-agent if you dont want to be prompted every time |
| 17:34.41 | kergoth | pnis: or set parent back to normal and use bk push http://openzaurus@openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot every time |
| 17:34.42 | pnis | kergoth: ok. although it didn't accept my password :] |
| 17:34.56 | kergoth | pnis: then you dont have the identity and identity.pub that you sent me in your ~/.ssh/ |
| 17:35.09 | kergoth | pnis: if you do, it'll use public key auth, otherwise it falls back to password |
| 17:35.23 | pnis | kergoth: indeed thanks! |
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| 17:36.38 | pnis | kergoth: I had to copy it to /root/.ssh :] |
| 17:36.59 | kergoth | ;) |
| 17:37.21 | pnis | :) |
| 17:37.33 | noda | 's like taking a unicycle to work every day instead of a car. You *are* going to get into an accident :P |
| 17:37.34 | pnis | I am sure bitkeeper is perfectly safe :) |
| 17:38.02 | pnis | no, all I write is always 100% bugfree too :] |
| 17:38.08 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:38.12 | noda | Oh, phew. Well in that case... ;) |
| 17:38.14 | kergoth | ~lart pnis |
| 17:38.20 | pnis | :) |
| 17:39.04 | victorvdl | Is their evolution sync for Opie/OZ yet? |
| 17:39.15 | kergoth | victorvdl: only via a set of perl scripts |
| 17:39.33 | kergoth | afaik |
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| 17:42.13 | bipolar | zecke: ping |
| 17:43.55 | ljp_1 | pong |
| 17:44.01 | ljp_1 | oh.. heh router problems |
| 17:44.07 | kergoth | man i love ipkg-link |
| 17:44.14 | kergoth | flash, ipkg-link mount /mnt/card, resume life |
| 17:44.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:44.17 | ljp_1 | hmm, well, then ... marry it |
| 17:44.22 | kergoth | bah |
| 17:44.24 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:44.39 | ljp_1 | hey. where's that 3.1? |
| 17:44.59 | kergoth | the image is ready, kernels are ready. feed isnt just yet |
| 17:45.28 | ljp_1 | ok, cant do anything from here about it |
| 17:45.35 | Onyx4 | kergoth: did you push yet, I haven't seen anything yet... |
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| 17:47.03 | kergoth | Onyx4: ah thanks for the reminder |
| 17:47.04 | kergoth | Onyx4: bk pull |
| 17:50.44 | ljp_1 | with all your pushing and pulling.. you guys are sexy |
| 17:51.48 | kergoth | oh you know it. |
| 17:51.51 | kergoth | :P |
| 17:52.25 | ljp_1 | oz needs women! |
| 17:52.38 | kergoth | no shit |
| 17:52.47 | kergoth | tell cloud to install oz again |
| 17:52.52 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:54.20 | ljp_1 | ok, what I meant to say is.. oz needs young, available women |
| 17:54.31 | kergoth | okay i'll agree with you there |
| 17:54.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:54.36 | ljp_1 | :D |
| 17:54.54 | ljp_1 | opie needs a shopping list app |
| 17:54.57 | ljp_1 | hehe |
| 17:55.10 | kergoth | hmm yeah |
| 17:55.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:55.17 | kergoth | arent there a few on zsi? |
| 17:55.35 | kergoth | opie-shop |
| 17:55.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:56.20 | ljp_1 | ya tkcshoppinglist or whatever |
| 17:56.43 | ljp_1 | what else do women do? |
| 17:56.55 | kergoth | annoy? |
| 17:57.00 | ljp_1 | ahh coupon clipper! |
| 17:57.03 | kergoth | lol |
| 17:57.27 | ljp_1 | some women annoy more thanothers |
| 17:57.34 | kergoth | indeed |
| 17:58.06 | Onyx4 | kergoth: patch still fails to apply |
| 17:58.16 | Onyx4 | missing header for unified diff at line 8 of patch |
| 17:59.06 | Onyx4 | |=================================================================== |
| 17:59.06 | Onyx4 | |RCS file: /usr/cvs/opie/mkipks,v |
| 17:59.06 | Onyx4 | |retrieving revision 1.26 |
| 17:59.06 | Onyx4 | |diff -u -3 -p -r1.26 mkipks |
| 17:59.06 | Onyx4 | |--- mkipks 12 Dec 2002 17:17:29 -0000 1.26 |
| 17:59.07 | Onyx4 | |+++ mkipks 12 Dec 2002 17:25:20 -0000 |
| 17:59.09 | Onyx4 | -------------------------- |
| 17:59.11 | Onyx4 | File to patch: |
| 18:01.30 | kergoth | geh, add a pnum=0 to the patch line |
| 18:01.35 | kergoth | in sources |
| 18:03.49 | ljp_1 | I bought myself a christmas gift and it just got here ! woot! |
| 18:05.35 | kergoth | nice |
| 18:05.36 | kergoth | whatd you buy? |
| 18:05.45 | kergoth | my xmas present for me was a RAID controller |
| 18:05.55 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:06.28 | pnis | btw do you people get payed for any of your work on oz/opie ? |
| 18:06.40 | kergoth | nope, fraid not |
| 18:06.49 | pnis | but that sucks :] |
| 18:06.57 | kergoth | no kidding :) |
| 18:07.08 | kergoth | ljp_1: what happened with that job? not enough graphics exp? |
| 18:07.09 | pnis | why do it then ? ;) |
| 18:07.14 | kergoth | pnis: hobby |
| 18:07.19 | ljp_1 | havent heard yet |
| 18:07.27 | pnis | kergoth: i see |
| 18:07.30 | kergoth | pnis: and for me, i'm doing kernel dev and the like that expands my skillsets, since i hadnt done so previously |
| 18:07.44 | kergoth | pnis: have learned a bit |
| 18:07.49 | pnis | kergoth: yes - that's for hobby too right? |
| 18:07.54 | kergoth | pnis: right :) |
| 18:07.59 | kergoth | hmm, need music |
| 18:08.08 | pnis | xmms ? :] |
| 18:08.32 | pnis | kergoth: you are working right now ? I mean not on OZ |
| 18:08.40 | kergoth | pnis: yeah |
| 18:08.53 | kergoth | pnis: oh fyi, whe you make a change to a package, remember to increment Revision |
| 18:09.00 | kergoth | pnis: that way users get the upgrade |
| 18:09.11 | pnis | kergoth: I think I didd - I will check |
| 18:09.20 | kergoth | pnis: k, just making sure. i didnt check |
| 18:09.28 | pnis | kergoth: what do you do for a living btw ? |
| 18:09.36 | kergoth | pnis: unix .. tech support |
| 18:09.54 | ljp_1 | he does nothing 'cept gab on irc |
| 18:09.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:09.59 | kergoth | shhh! |
| 18:12.27 | pnis | kergoth: sounds good - like sys. admin that isM |
| 18:12.32 | pnis | kergoth: M=? |
| 18:12.42 | pnis | hehe:) |
| 18:14.42 | pnis | :)) |
| 18:14.51 | pnis | it's like help desk than ? |
| 18:15.10 | kergoth | yes. supporting unix admins who should know better |
| 18:15.22 | pnis | that sounds good |
| 18:15.24 | kergoth | so i talk to people who make 3 times the $ i do but who know less than i :) |
| 18:15.31 | kergoth | well, better than windows support |
| 18:15.32 | pnis | :) |
| 18:15.36 | kergoth | at least i dont teach people how to use a mouse |
| 18:15.38 | kergoth | could be worse |
| 18:15.45 | pnis | right :) |
| 18:16.08 | pnis | just out of curiosity do you have a bs or ms or phd or such? |
| 18:16.44 | kergoth | nothing. nada. zilch. |
| 18:16.59 | kergoth | which is of course why i'm stuck in this position :) |
| 18:17.04 | pnis | :) |
| 18:17.17 | kergoth | what do you do for a living? |
| 18:17.18 | pnis | but you get about 4times more than a doctor here :) |
| 18:17.24 | pnis | about |
| 18:17.27 | pnis | maybe not |
| 18:17.28 | pnis | but close |
| 18:17.32 | pnis | I study |
| 18:17.38 | pnis | in college here |
| 18:17.40 | kergoth | cool, what are you studying? |
| 18:17.41 | ljp_1 | kergoth: you take OZ support phone calls now? :) |
| 18:17.53 | kergoth | ljp_1: egad, what a scary concept |
| 18:17.55 | pnis | computer science :) |
| 18:18.00 | pnis | but it's all maths |
| 18:18.19 | kergoth | hey MSpin |
| 18:18.23 | MSpin | heya kergoth |
| 18:18.48 | pnis | kergoth: you live in the uk , no ? |
| 18:18.54 | kergoth | pnis: nah, us |
| 18:19.10 | pnis | kergoth: I see |
| 18:19.51 | pnis | either way oz is good reference if/when you search for a new job I guess |
| 18:20.47 | pnis | ljp_1: this opie is a hobby for you too, right? |
| 18:25.47 | ljp_1 | not really a hobby. an infectous overtaking |
| 18:25.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:25.58 | ljp_1 | cant get rid of it! |
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| 18:29.15 | pnis | ljp_1: he:) but you don't get payed either |
| 18:29.33 | pnis | ljp_1: do you work too ? |
| 18:29.48 | pnis | as kergoth |
| 18:29.53 | pnis | and maybe others in the world |
| 18:32.07 | fiferboy | Is oz3.1rc1 available anywhere? |
| 18:32.16 | kergoth | fiferboy: on my hard disk :) |
| 18:32.45 | fiferboy | kergoth Hehe, do I have access to that? |
| 18:32.47 | victorvdl | kergoth: what's your ip? ;-) |
| 18:32.50 | kergoth | pnis: are all your changes committed yet? |
| 18:35.48 | pnis | kergoth: I am trying it out now whether it's working - otherwise yes |
| 18:35.56 | kergoth | pnis: k |
| 18:36.12 | kergoth | pnis: can you let me know when you've confirmed its all working? |
| 18:36.18 | kergoth | pnis: my build is about done, close to release time |
| 18:36.19 | pnis | kergoth: I will |
| 18:36.36 | pnis | kergoth: I am checking |
| 18:38.13 | kergoth | pnis: k |
| 18:42.02 | kergoth | pnis: what does xmms-e need from tinyx to build? headers? |
| 18:42.51 | kergoth | hm, mplayer warns that my version of libavcodec is too old |
| 18:43.19 | ljp_1 | trader |
| 18:43.27 | ljp_1 | er traitor |
| 18:43.31 | ljp_1 | heh |
| 18:43.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:45.25 | pnis | kergoth: yes, headers (gtk and glib too) |
| 18:46.42 | kergoth | pnis: k. ill change it so it just extracts tinyx instead of building it, before building xmms-e |
| 18:48.24 | pnis | kergoth: that's perfect - thanks |
| 18:48.36 | pnis | kergoth: ok it seems everything is working fine! |
| 18:48.40 | kergoth | pnis: great |
| 18:48.58 | pnis | kergoth: I have all my x11 include files gzipped |
| 18:49.05 | pnis | kergoth: if you need it |
| 18:49.49 | pnis | kergoth: there is alread a gtk.tar.gz in xmms-e , it can contain x11 include files too and than all is good |
| 18:50.24 | kergoth | pnis: hmm |
| 18:51.00 | pnis | kergoth: I have to go eat know |
| 18:51.21 | pnis | I'll be back |
| 19:07.53 | beattie | anybody know anything about kismet, is there a qui ap for it under oz any doc on how to run it? |
| 19:08.05 | beattie | or even a gui ap |
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| 19:23.35 | phoen][x | tumdedum |
| 19:23.39 | phoen][x | hello guys :) |
| 19:25.50 | phoen][x | so, i'll reask my question here: are there release plans for oz3.1 yet? |
| 19:26.20 | kergoth`lunch | phoen][x: what issues? |
| 19:26.30 | kergoth`lunch | phoen][x: 3.1 release candidate one will be out in a few. |
| 19:26.54 | victorvdl | kergoth`lunch: seconds/minutes/hours/days/weeks/months ? ;-) |
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| 19:27.06 | kergoth`lunch | hehe |
| 19:27.11 | kergoth`lunch | minutes |
| 19:27.29 | Twiun | victorvdl: yeah, let him finish his lunch at least |
| 19:29.17 | phoen][x | some issues (i think most(all) of them are opie issues but i'm not sure): (1) aqpkg ~forgot~ all settings and i hat to install the other ipkg tool ("software") (2) the usb ethernet device doesn't come up if i hit "start" or "restart" in the config tool. i have to run "/etc/init.d/networking restart" to bring it up. (3) random freezes of opie in this asteroids game. |
| 19:31.39 | phoen][x | (4) sometimes when i hit "reboot" the zaurus goes down and stops without rebooting - it disables the backlight and keeps the last picture (an opie framebuffer with those "init 0" messages) - only a "replace battery - normal operation"-reset fixes that. (5) right after that strange behaviour, oz reconfigures all packages (the same thing it does on the first bootup) |
| 19:32.02 | kergoth`lunch | phoen][x: 4) is a general zaurus issue, happens in sharp as well. |
| 19:32.23 | phoen][x | 1-3 are opie issues, imo |
| 19:33.05 | kergoth`lunch | phoen][x: yep, they're opie issues. 1 and 2 are fixed. |
| 19:33.23 | kergoth`lunch | phoen][x: i havent heard of 3, report that one in opie's bug tracking system. http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 19:34.13 | phoen][x | the asteroids game issue happens with other applications as well. opie just stops responding - it keeps showing the current screen but you cant do anything but switch the Z off an on again (and that wont fix it either) |
| 19:34.30 | kergoth`lunch | phoen][x: hm, without more info i cant really tell you what the problem is |
| 19:34.45 | kergoth`lunch | phoen][x: i'd recommend trying upgrading to 3.1rc1, either from a feed or from image |
| 19:35.02 | phoen][x | kergoth`lunch: i'll simply try it with 3.1 and see if it's still there. maybe its a user error (eg. my fault) |
| 19:36.27 | kergoth`lunch | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.29 | kergoth`lunch | hm, not bad |
| 19:37.01 | phoen][x | oh one last thing: the installation to /mnt/ram does not create appropriate symlinks. another opie problem? |
| 19:37.10 | kergoth`lunch | phoen][x: yes, it does |
| 19:37.13 | kergoth`lunch | phoen][x: heh |
| 19:37.15 | kergoth`lunch | here anyway |
| 19:37.17 | Twiun | kergoth`lunch: yup... space for wonka with some to spare ;-) |
| 19:37.19 | kergoth`lunch | i'm on latest bleeding edge |
| 19:37.43 | phoen][x | it doesnt here. or aqpkg is kinda really messed up :) |
| 19:37.50 | lsmith | woo |
| 19:37.54 | kergoth`lunch | aqpkg had a couple bugs, never heard that one though |
| 19:38.00 | phoen][x | crap i need a CF card |
| 19:38.29 | phoen][x | kergoth`lunch: do you recommend aqpkg? |
| 19:38.34 | kergoth`lunch | phoen][x: yes. |
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| 19:39.05 | phoen][x | okay i shall stick to it then. it worked fine till it got that amnesia :) |
| 19:40.42 | kergoth`lunch | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.42 | kergoth`lunch | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.46 | kergoth`lunch | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.49 | kergoth`lunch | spiffy |
| 19:40.55 | kergoth`lunch | hadnt checked the download page since noda updated it |
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| 19:41.40 | victorvdl | Does that mean 3.1rc1 was just released? |
| 19:41.47 | kergoth`lunch | victorvdl: uploading now |
| 19:43.18 | victorvdl | One thing I was wondering: why is sftp'ing to OZ a *lot* slower than ftp'ing to Sharp rom? Is that just SSH/SFTP or something else? |
| 19:43.27 | kergoth`lunch | victorvdl: scping to a card? |
| 19:43.32 | victorvdl | Yea. |
| 19:43.35 | kergoth`lunch | victorvdl: rtfm. faq covers sd speed issues. |
| 19:43.42 | kergoth`lunch | and cf as well |
| 19:44.17 | pnis | does Aman come here regualrly? About when ? |
| 19:44.25 | pnis | TheMastermind1 |
| 19:44.38 | numatrix | pnis: Random times as far as I've noticed. He's in and out. |
| 19:44.49 | pnis | numatrix: ok |
| 19:44.51 | pnis | numatrix: thanks |
| 19:44.56 | numatrix | pnis: no problem |
| 19:45.11 | kergoth`lunch | then theres me, whos always idling in here whether im actually conscious/here/sane or not |
| 19:45.23 | numatrix | yeah, pretty much. :-) |
| 19:45.37 | pnis | hehe |
| 19:45.48 | numatrix | and me who will go days on |away and some days spend all day wasting time. :-) |
| 19:45.55 | kergoth`lunch | hehe. yup |
| 19:46.00 | pnis | sounds good |
| 19:46.02 | pnis | :) |
| 19:46.13 | numatrix | pnis: I'm afraid to ask, but is your nick supposed to be what it sounds like? |
| 19:46.21 | kergoth`lunch | lol |
| 19:46.26 | pnis | numatrix: no , coincidence :] |
| 19:46.41 | numatrix | Is it your name? |
| 19:46.43 | pnis | it's actually p.nis |
| 19:46.47 | pnis | no :) |
| 19:46.54 | pnis | it's d.nes |
| 19:46.56 | pnis | denes |
| 19:46.58 | pnis | dénes |
| 19:47.09 | pnis | you have to mirror the d |
| 19:47.17 | numatrix | Hmm, I'll take your word for it. :-0 |
| 19:47.34 | kergoth`lunch | hmm |
| 19:47.39 | phoen][x | kergoth`lunch: what was the URL of the 3.1image again ? :) |
| 19:47.39 | kergoth`lunch | we dont have a name for the 3.1 release |
| 19:47.40 | numatrix | )))))))))))) Argh. pnis: You'll learn I have a little problem hitting shift on smilies. No clue why, I can capitalize all other letters just fine. |
| 19:47.40 | kergoth`lunch | :) |
| 19:48.01 | pnis | :) |
| 19:48.01 | numatrix | kergoth`lunch: OZ 3.1 - Makes p.nis happy. |
| 19:48.09 | kergoth`lunch | haha |
| 19:48.14 | kergoth`lunch | oh *that*'ll come off well |
| 19:48.18 | pnis | he he :) |
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| 19:48.44 | numatrix | What was the official name of 3.0? |
| 19:48.45 | numatrix | 'lo, Jason. |
| 19:48.46 | pnis | it's true in some way - you can watch pron movies with xmms very well |
| 19:48.57 | pnis | hi Jason |
| 19:49.07 | kergoth`lunch | numatrix: dratsab |
| 19:49.10 | JasonNJ | sup. |
| 19:49.14 | numatrix | kergoth`lunch: Right. I liked that name. |
| 19:49.19 | ||ugh | Sun on this coast. |
| 19:49.21 | kergoth`lunch | ls |
| 19:49.21 | JasonNJ | pnis: nice username |
| 19:49.22 | kergoth`lunch | er |
| 19:49.23 | kergoth`lunch | heh |
| 19:49.31 | pnis | JasonNJ: thanks. The new sharp site looks nice |
| 19:49.35 | *** part/#openzaurus Adralian (Adralian@merlin.rh.rit.edu) |
| 19:49.37 | kergoth`lunch | JasonNJ: http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/3.1rc1/ |
| 19:49.51 | pnis | JasonNJ: that (c) sharp ilooks especially good :) as it's all from sourceforge:) |
| 19:50.00 | ||ugh | Time to reflash my test and test... |
| 19:50.05 | JasonNJ | kergoth: release onto z.com |
| 19:50.05 | ||ugh | (my Z) |
| 19:50.08 | ljp_work | will test in about 4 hours |
| 19:50.34 | kergoth`lunch | JasonNJ: geh, i hate sourceforge's file release system |
| 19:50.34 | kergoth`lunch | JasonNJ: but okay fine |
| 19:50.34 | phoen][x | kergoth`lunch: ty. i'll install it tomorrow and try to find a lot of bugs for you :) |
| 19:50.35 | numatrix | kergoth`lunch: We could continue the trend with the ffokrej release. |
| 19:50.36 | victorvdl | will test as soon as it finishes dloading. |
| 19:50.45 | kergoth`lunch | numatrix: lol |
| 19:51.06 | kergoth`lunch | JasonNJ: ideas for a name for the 3.1 release? not critical, since we've got a few more rc's before it releases |
| 19:51.08 | numatrix | kergoth`lunch: Should a feed upgrade work well enough for 3.1rc1? |
| 19:51.16 | kergoth`lunch | numatrix: yeah, wait up a bit i havent updated the testing feed yet |
| 19:51.27 | kergoth`lunch | Note: stable -> 3.0, testing -> 3.1rc1 |
| 19:51.33 | numatrix | kergoth`lunch: sure thing |
| 19:51.39 | pnis | JasonNJ: why is (c) Sharp there if I might ask ?? |
| 19:51.48 | pnis | JasonNJ: at the bottom of the sourceforge page |
| 19:52.07 | numatrix | pnis: What sourceforge page are you talking about? |
| 19:52.17 | pnis | numatrix: community.zaurus.com |
| 19:53.00 | numatrix | pnis: I think that's hosted directly by sharp. |
| 19:53.07 | pnis | numatrix: it is |
| 19:53.09 | Twiun | kergoth`lunch: release name... hmm... spoon |
| 19:53.14 | pnis | numatrix: but what is copyright sharp ? |
| 19:53.15 | JasonNJ | kergoth: where is the optimized initrd |
| 19:53.25 | kergoth`lunch | JasonNJ: 3.2? bout to upload |
| 19:53.42 | numatrix | kergoth`lunch: Are the even release numbers going to be opimized? |
| 19:53.55 | pnis | what is optimized? |
| 19:54.03 | Twiun | JasonNJ: FYI, I'm on holiday from the 14th to the 21st, so don't count me dead/missing ;-) |
| 19:54.05 | ljp_work | I hope people know that the gcc3 one wont be able to run zaurus apps |
| 19:54.08 | pnis | shorter package names ? |
| 19:54.09 | kergoth`lunch | numatrix: hmm, i dont think os, no |
| 19:54.12 | kergoth`lunch | so |
| 19:54.17 | kergoth`lunch | pnis: rom built with gcc3.2 |
| 19:54.20 | numatrix | pnis: Compiled from gcc3 -- binary incompatible, but faster |
| 19:54.22 | pnis | I see! |
| 19:54.33 | pnis | gcc3 is optimizing much better than ? |
| 19:54.37 | kergoth`lunch | pnis: yep |
| 19:54.39 | numatrix | pnis: apparently |
| 19:54.54 | pnis | great, I will try modplaying than! |
| 19:55.04 | pnis | if it's faster much |
| 19:55.12 | pnis | cool |
| 19:55.33 | pnis | mob=mod |
| 19:55.53 | numatrix | pnis: You said mod the first time? |
| 19:56.04 | pnis | numatrix: hehe :) |
| 19:56.29 | numatrix | pnis: I'm confused; did you mean mod or mob, and if you meant mob, what were you referring to? |
| 19:56.40 | ljp_work | ya.. gcc2.x has a not good malloc |
| 19:56.41 | pnis | :)) I meant mod |
| 19:56.50 | numatrix | pnis: Ok, thought so. You were right the first time then. :-) |
| 19:56.59 | pnis | :) |
| 19:57.33 | pnis | ljp_work: what does it do wrong? |
| 19:58.37 | numatrix | Does anybody have a web archive of the mailing lists? |
| 19:58.37 | ||ugh | Oh man, what stupid program generated the 3.1-rc1 page! Look at this HTML ">zImage-5000d-16memor..><" no wonder I can't tell the files apart! |
| 19:58.44 | pnis | numatrix: btw are you a developer of OZ ? |
| 19:58.48 | numatrix | pnis: Nope. |
| 19:59.02 | pnis | numatrix: i see |
| 19:59.15 | numatrix | pnis: I'm a big hanger-on. I do some documentation, some testing, and bother people a lot. I do some very little other development, but not much. |
| 19:59.25 | pnis | numatrix: that's cool |
| 19:59.51 | pnis | numatrix: do you have user statistics on bitkeeper, that I can look at ?:) |
| 20:00.30 | numatrix | pnis: Nope, I don't use bk. The only development I do is on other things: http://psifertex.com/zaurus |
| 20:00.45 | pnis | numatrix: what is there? |
| 20:00.56 | numatrix | pnis: The little bit of development I've done. :-) |
| 20:01.00 | numatrix | pnis: And I moderate zaurus.loveslinux.com and helped set up zfi.zaurii.com |
| 20:01.09 | numatrix | And that's about my zaurus resume. :-) |
| 20:01.57 | kergoth`mtg | hmm |
| 20:02.00 | kergoth`mtg | that was a short meeting |
| 20:02.04 | kergoth`mtg | i didnt even have time to play any sfcave |
| 20:02.06 | JasonNJ | I'm surprised zaurus.com hasnt hit the 3rd party sites yet |
| 20:02.25 | pnis | numatrix: looks good your homepage - the mplayer link is now obsoloted (the site itself is not actaully) |
| 20:02.40 | pnis | numatrix: zfi is cool! |
| 20:02.46 | pnis | numatrix: I found that yesterday |
| 20:02.53 | pnis | numatrix: xmms feed is there too :) |
| 20:03.12 | JasonNJ | kergoth: flashing |
| 20:03.20 | *** join/#openzaurus Dessimat0r (Dessimat0r@public1-birk1-3-cust60.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 20:03.23 | Dessimat0r | sire |
| 20:03.26 | Dessimat0r | s |
| 20:03.26 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 20:03.35 | Twiun[dinner] | JasonNJ: did you read my holiday dates? |
| 20:03.44 | numatrix | pnis: Yeah, I should remove the mplayer link, thanks for reminding me. |
| 20:03.59 | JasonNJ | twiun: holdiay dates? |
| 20:04.12 | ||ugh | numatrix, thanks for ZSI. Can I ask for it to be 'reformated' so that it is readable ON a Z? |
| 20:04.27 | Twiun[dinner] | JasonNJ: I'm onliday from the 14th to the 21st |
| 20:04.34 | pnis | numatrix: zfi has a bug though : no matter how much I click on xmms, the click count doesn't increase! |
| 20:04.37 | pnis | :) |
| 20:04.39 | numatrix | ||ugh: I'm not responsible for ZSI, though I do work with the developers of that as well. ZFI and ZSI are different. :-) |
| 20:04.42 | Twiun[dinner] | JasonNJ: off skiing in austria - had it booked for ages |
| 20:04.48 | Twiun[dinner] | JasonNJ: non-refundable |
| 20:04.54 | numatrix | pnis: Trying to artificially inflate your stats? ;-) |
| 20:05.13 | pnis | numatrix: it's not artifical - i really look at it that many times |
| 20:05.24 | Dessimat0r | ahhh! I paid £360 for my Zaurus - its here for £260 |
| 20:05.31 | JasonNJ | numatrix: would that be pnis enlargement then |
| 20:05.37 | Dessimat0r | bloody rip-off sites |
| 20:05.51 | numatrix | pnis: It works for me; I just loaded it and when I refresh, the count goes up. |
| 20:05.59 | pnis | JasonNJ: did you put (c) sharp at the bottom ? |
| 20:06.06 | pnis | JasonNJ: :) |
| 20:06.26 | pnis | numatrix: than maybe knoqueror is smart |
| 20:06.26 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: That's nothing; the zaurus was available here for exactly half of what I paid for it originally. :-( |
| 20:06.29 | Dessimat0r | I killed a Geforce 4 ti4600, then bought a new one ;) I killed it my ripped off a chip when applying heatsinks. |
| 20:06.32 | Dessimat0r | my = by |
| 20:06.39 | numatrix | pnis: Probably. Try shift-reloading in kong. Wonder if that will work. |
| 20:06.48 | pnis | i got my zaurus for free :] |
| 20:06.53 | Dessimat0r | damn you!!!1 |
| 20:07.03 | Dessimat0r | is it a 5000? |
| 20:07.11 | pnis | numatrix: hehe:) it works |
| 20:07.12 | numatrix | pnis: Me too. My original zaurus cost me twice as much. I returned it for other reasons and got a nice, massive best buy gift card. ;-) |
| 20:07.38 | pnis | numatrix: that's a good deal:) |
| 20:07.54 | numatrix | pnis: Yup, especially since it's time for christmas. |
| 20:07.55 | kergoth | JasonNJ: one minor thing, the default feed is stable rather than testing. *shrug* |
| 20:08.32 | pnis | numatrix: you can make Jason and his collegues rich :) |
| 20:08.32 | numatrix | kergoth: Since by the time the image is moved to stable, it will be ready for the right location that's not a big deal. |
| 20:08.42 | kergoth | yep |
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| 20:09.06 | numatrix | Man, zfi is freaking ugly. I should change that. |
| 20:09.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:09.29 | pnis | numatrix: on Z? otherwise it it characteristic - not bad imho |
| 20:09.32 | kergoth | hm |
| 20:09.35 | kergoth | man, i need to talk to noda |
| 20:09.35 | numatrix | pnis: The colors, mainly. |
| 20:09.48 | pnis | numatrix: looks good to me |
| 20:09.48 | ljp_work | make it green and pink |
| 20:09.52 | pnis | hehe |
| 20:10.03 | Titeuf | 8,2hi |
| 20:10.05 | Dessimat0r | its freakin' ugly |
| 20:10.05 | Titeuf | sorry |
| 20:10.06 | numatrix | ljp_work: Hmm, that's a -- uh, um, no, nevermind, that's not a good idea. :-) |
| 20:10.08 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:10.11 | Titeuf | hi :) |
| 20:10.13 | ljp_work | heehe |
| 20:10.35 | numatrix | That's a good idea, Titeuf, I should use those colors. ;-) |
| 20:11.10 | pnis | oh dear oz.org/feeds/testing is down ?! |
| 20:11.11 | pnis | :] |
| 20:11.18 | kergoth | pnis: restructure. |
| 20:11.24 | pnis | kergoth: I know :) |
| 20:11.26 | kergoth | pnis: the proper path is official/testing/feed/ |
| 20:11.31 | Onyx4 | kergoth: the patch you changed (opie-qterev.patch) fails to apply everytime from a fresh mrproper, I think it's because it made a diff of the RCS file rather than just the real file itself |
| 20:11.35 | Titeuf | lol numatrix |
| 20:11.39 | pnis | kergoth: oh ok I didn't know that |
| 20:11.42 | kergoth | Onyx4: eh? |
| 20:11.53 | Onyx4 | kergoth: look at the patch, it fails to patch mkipks |
| 20:11.54 | kergoth | Onyx4: i told you, just set pnum to 0 |
| 20:12.02 | kergoth | Onyx4: you need -p0 for that patch, not -p1 |
| 20:12.06 | Onyx4 | oh didn't see that |
| 20:12.12 | Onyx4 | can you bk push the change? |
| 20:12.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:12.42 | kergoth | Onyx4: i'm working on uploading everything for the release just now |
| 20:12.44 | kergoth | Onyx4: you do it |
| 20:12.48 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 20:13.17 | kergoth | man our structure is getting complecated |
| 20:13.25 | kergoth | official/armv4l-gcc2.95/stable/feed |
| 20:13.25 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:13.32 | kergoth | official/armv4l-gcc2.95/testing/initrd.bin |
| 20:13.33 | kergoth | fun |
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| 20:14.03 | Onyx4 | we're not using the libc 2.3.1 on the gcc 2.95 roms right? |
| 20:14.08 | kergoth | right |
| 20:14.15 | kergoth | not yet anyway |
| 20:14.43 | numatrix | http://zaurii.com/zfi/index2.phtml |
| 20:14.46 | numatrix | just for you, Titeuf |
| 20:15.16 | pnis | numatrix: my eyes hurt |
| 20:15.18 | pnis | :) |
| 20:15.38 | JasonNJ | uhhhh |
| 20:15.43 | JasonNJ | digitizer dont work |
| 20:16.17 | JasonNJ | kergoth: pen not responding |
| 20:16.21 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ? |
| 20:16.52 | pnis | but it's free at least |
| 20:16.55 | pnis | :] |
| 20:16.55 | JasonNJ | kergoth: wont go thru calibration sequence |
| 20:17.03 | Titeuf | lol numatrix |
| 20:17.07 | JasonNJ | crosshairs just sitting there |
| 20:17.21 | numatrix | JasonNJ: you tried typing anything on the keyboard yet? |
| 20:17.22 | ||ugh | lots of new Configuring... and Unconfiguring... messages. Annoying. |
| 20:17.39 | kergoth | ||ugh: its a testing release. deal with it. |
| 20:17.43 | JasonNJ | its stuck at the welcome to opie screen |
| 20:17.45 | Onyx4 | kergoth: I looked at the patch again, it's not the p0 that's misisng, it looks like it's missing a whole section for the mkipks file like the header |
| 20:17.48 | JasonNJ | wacky. |
| 20:17.55 | Onyx4 | I mean p0 is needed yes |
| 20:17.59 | Onyx4 | but the patch is incomplete |
| 20:18.04 | Onyx4 | did you edit it manually? |
| 20:18.09 | kergoth | nope |
| 20:18.11 | kergoth | generated with cvs diff |
| 20:18.20 | ||ugh | I would considder the messages resonable for a -preX release, but a -rcX is supposed to be a candidate release is all but name. |
| 20:18.27 | kergoth | ||ugh: maybe you didnt hear |
| 20:18.30 | kergoth | ||ugh: DEAL WITH IT |
| 20:18.36 | kergoth | ||ugh: did you catch that this time? |
| 20:18.55 | JasonNJ | kergoth: any ideas? |
| 20:18.59 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hold |
| 20:19.21 | JasonNJ | nice bootup sequence by the way |
| 20:19.23 | JasonNJ | it looks cleaner |
| 20:19.40 | kergoth | its supremely verbose. but yes other than the verbosity it is pretty smooth |
| 20:19.43 | numatrix | kergoth: Did you ever add that bootup image version stamping stuff I mentioned last time? |
| 20:19.53 | kergoth | numatrix: nah, didnt have time to look into it |
| 20:19.55 | ||ugh | My OZ-3.1rc1 has frozen at the calibrate screen. It's alive enough to dim the screen, but does not see my mouse click on the first cross. |
| 20:20.02 | kergoth | ah, so its not just jason |
| 20:20.03 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 20:20.04 | numatrix | kergoth: Not that it matters; just curious. Ok, no biggie. |
| 20:20.14 | kergoth | my flash of the image earlier worked fine |
| 20:20.15 | Onyx4 | numatrix: did you had time to look at hw keygrab for qtopiagnuboy, it compiles and runs fine now in OZ |
| 20:20.19 | Onyx4 | numatrix: just missing the hwkey grab :) |
| 20:20.26 | numatrix | Onyx4: you got the patch for the launcher, right? |
| 20:20.30 | JasonNJ | if I hit the enter key it wakes the backlight up |
| 20:20.32 | Onyx4 | that one yes |
| 20:20.35 | Onyx4 | it's already applied |
| 20:20.39 | JasonNJ | but still no response from digitizer |
| 20:20.44 | numatrix | Onyx4: ok, let me look at the hwkeys. I'll do it now, I've got some time. |
| 20:20.54 | ||ugh | Samve for me, but still no mouse/digitizer. |
| 20:21.01 | kergoth | yes, you said that alright |
| 20:21.03 | kergoth | arleady |
| 20:21.07 | kergoth | its obviously broken |
| 20:21.15 | kergoth | though the image i built 2 hours ago is fine |
| 20:21.15 | kergoth | odd |
| 20:21.16 | JasonNJ | kergoth: I think you need a drink |
| 20:21.25 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i agree |
| 20:21.30 | JasonNJ | youre getting tetchy |
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| 20:21.53 | ||ugh | From when he was having lunch I might be closer then you for buying Kergoth that drink. |
| 20:21.53 | JasonNJ | kergoth: dont mind hugh, he's a space alien |
| 20:22.24 | ||ugh | That makes two of us...at least. |
| 20:22.46 | JasonNJ | btw did last nights star trek suck or what |
| 20:22.52 | JasonNJ | hot babe though |
| 20:23.07 | JasonNJ | "I am the first monarch!" |
| 20:23.19 | JasonNJ | I would have said "shut the fuck up, bitch!" |
| 20:23.20 | ||ugh | What's a TV? I have one channel, Unix... |
| 20:23.59 | JasonNJ | Hugh: we know about your weird habits... lol |
| 20:24.11 | Dessimat0r | WE should return ||ugh to the Borg |
| 20:24.28 | JasonNJ | Hugh: you gotta be careful about TV, the government is sending signals out to control your mind |
| 20:24.53 | ||ugh | Borg? Very low tech. No nano and it'sent it obvious? They run on MS software! |
| 20:25.10 | JasonNJ | I thought they ran on gnutella |
| 20:25.35 | ||ugh | Yes JasonNJ, they are. Remember the bit about PAYING for the 'right' drug messages in scripts? Thats STILL going on! |
| 20:25.54 | ljp_work | Borg run the now defunct BorgOS |
| 20:26.18 | JasonNJ | ljp: yes, they have user groups on USENET |
| 20:26.23 | JasonNJ | com.os.borgos.advocacy |
| 20:26.35 | JasonNJ | I swear those people are freaks |
| 20:26.37 | hardwire | http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/12/12/tech.panhandling.reut/index.html <- lilo |
| 20:26.46 | JasonNJ | I was looking at comp.os.os2.advocacy yesteday |
| 20:26.51 | JasonNJ | same people from FOUR YEARS AGO |
| 20:26.55 | JasonNJ | saying the EXACT SAME STUFF |
| 20:26.58 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 20:26.59 | Dessimat0r | Can you imagine a beowolf cluster of... Borg? |
| 20:27.09 | ljp_work | borg are a cluster |
| 20:27.13 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:27.21 | hardwire | linux borgs |
| 20:27.26 | ljp_work | really |
| 20:29.48 | JasonNJ | yeah, but they carry their own sex toy implants |
| 20:29.54 | JasonNJ | they dont need guys |
| 20:30.08 | ljp_work | ha |
| 20:30.30 | pnis | ok I now depart - good-bye all |
| 20:31.03 | kergoth | hmm wtf is up with this rom |
| 20:31.44 | kergoth | was working just fine earlier.. wtf |
| 20:33.43 | Laze | Hey, is there a RC1 one out i can try on my Zaurus and CF D-Link 660W and SD/CF Ram card? Is it the unstable flash link? BTW. What is Star Trek? is it part of the upcomming busybox :-) |
| 20:34.23 | JasonNJ | kergoth: did we mention the digitizer is broken? |
| 20:34.25 | kergoth | Laze: a) yes but its borked, b) no, c) no, d) no |
| 20:34.25 | JasonNJ | :) |
| 20:35.03 | *** join/#openzaurus ljp_work (~ljp@01-111.026.popsite.net) |
| 20:36.16 | ljp_work | jason: does cvs.zaurus.com work off passwords? or sshkeys? |
| 20:36.40 | ||ugh | Laze, the first try at -rc1 is broken, let folks work on it a bit and maybe something will be avaliable later in the day. |
| 20:36.53 | kergoth | yeah, that |
| 20:36.53 | hardwire | ljp_work: shufflemaster? |
| 20:36.58 | kergoth | why do things always break right as i'm about to release? |
| 20:37.06 | kergoth | murphy's law. |
| 20:37.11 | Laze | Kergoth: Okay thanks, when will it be unborked? BTW. OpenZaurus seems to have serious problems with the D-link 660W CF card that the Sharp Rom 2.38 doesn't have - any idea if the RC1 (3.1) will help on this? |
| 20:37.14 | ljp_work | what about shufflemaster? |
| 20:37.38 | *** topic/#openzaurus by hardwire -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | opera and hancom work now in unstable | Developers: don't use STAGING_DIR/usr anymore | tmm1's latest: (tik: test this) http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/unstable and http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/unstable/flashthe yob? |
| 20:37.45 | hardwire | what the |
| 20:37.51 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:37.53 | hardwire | damn.. keyboard.. stuff |
| 20:38.04 | hardwire | I typed "get the yob" |
| 20:38.07 | hardwire | ? |
| 20:38.10 | hardwire | and it did that |
| 20:38.29 | *** topic/#openzaurus by hardwire -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | opera and hancom work now in unstable | Developers: don't use STAGING_DIR/usr anymore | tmm1's latest: (tik: test this) http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/unstable and http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/unstable/flash |
| 20:38.32 | ljp_work | hardwire: what about shuflemaster? |
| 20:38.43 | hardwire | get the job? |
| 20:38.45 | hardwire | :) |
| 20:38.50 | *** topic/#openzaurus by kergoth -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | OZ 3.1rc1 on the way. first attempt was b0rked, new rom available today. |
| 20:39.02 | lsmith | ;-) |
| 20:40.37 | ljp_work | hardwire: well, they havent said no.. but according to the recruiter, they are looking for someone 'just exactly perfect' |
| 20:40.54 | ljp_work | hence being 2 months late in hiring someone |
| 20:41.00 | *** join/#openzaurus titeuf (psybnc@80.65.224.177) |
| 20:41.10 | hardwire | bastards |
| 20:41.32 | ljp_work | ya bastards |
| 20:41.41 | hardwire | dratsabs |
| 20:41.44 | prpplague | stinkinbastards |
| 20:41.55 | ljp_work | I should have lied and said I have tons of graphics experience |
| 20:42.03 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:42.04 | hardwire | yeah |
| 20:42.07 | hardwire | just pay me under the table |
| 20:42.18 | ljp_work | ya, I ported the game zoom to qt/linux |
| 20:42.33 | ljp_work | no, make that wrote |
| 20:42.39 | hardwire | heh |
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| 20:42.45 | ljp_work | zoom? you've never heard of that?! |
| 20:43.18 | ljp_work | its a graphics intensive game only for advanced graphics cards |
| 20:43.30 | ljp_work | 4D |
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| 20:44.15 | hardwire | heh |
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| 20:44.55 | ljp_work | not sure I want to work for a co that is being that particular |
| 20:45.44 | victorvdl | What happened to the new initrd.bin? |
| 20:45.45 | numatrix | Laze: that's odd, the 650 works fine. |
| 20:45.55 | numatrix | victorvdl: something's hosed about it. don't use |
| 20:46.11 | victorvdl | Oh. |
| 20:46.12 | victorvdl | Ok, thanks. |
| 20:46.25 | numatrix | victorvdl: no problem; check back later today to s.. nevermind, gone. |
| 20:46.29 | ||ugh | If someone (other then kergoth who is working on the fix) can, they should rm the offending files. |
| 20:47.39 | Laze | numatrix: sometimes the OpenZaurus finds it and sometimes not. It was very unstable and sometimes the card was okay but the network part was shown as "normal" network and not as wireless. |
| 20:48.11 | numatrix | Really? That's odd. Have you confirmed if anyone else with a 660 has experienced similar problems with OZ? |
| 20:48.14 | kergoth | Laze: that card works flawless here.. |
| 20:48.16 | kergoth | i have a dlink 650 |
| 20:48.28 | kergoth | though its range sucks, but thats true in any rom :) |
| 20:48.44 | numatrix | kergoth: ehh? This thing has the best range. Worst battery life, but best range. |
| 20:48.53 | numatrix | kergoth: According to those wireless stats floating around somewhere. |
| 20:48.56 | numatrix | ibot: wireless |
| 20:48.56 | | well, wireless is The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or see wifi |
| 20:49.01 | Laze | Kergoth: Yes and mine is a 660 W. - My range is very good, and the battery life is ok. |
| 20:49.47 | kergoth | numatrix: then maybe it just hates me |
| 20:49.51 | kergoth | numatrix: which wuldnt surprise me |
| 20:50.06 | numatrix | kergoth: Hmm, maybe not. Looks like it doesn't have the best range. It does have decent ranges though. http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml |
| 20:57.09 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 20:57.12 | kergoth | today is not my day. |
| 20:58.01 | JasonNJ | wow microsoft just issued a huge java compromise warning |
| 20:58.23 | JasonNJ | apparently all versions of java that were shipped with windows sicne 98 have like 8 critical security compromises |
| 20:59.49 | ||ugh | MS Insecure? Never! |
| 21:00.45 | numatrix | ibot seen killefiz |
| 21:00.47 | | numatrix: i haven't seen 'killefiz' |
| 21:01.16 | numatrix | JasonNJ: not to mention the png library error eeye released the details about. That's fairly large too. |
| 21:08.37 | Laze | Anybody know how to setup streamin in XMMS through XMMS? |
| 21:09.32 | Laze | Oops, through a proxy of course |
| 21:10.36 | *** join/#openzaurus ljp_work (~ljp@01-221.026.popsite.net) |
| 21:11.45 | numatrix | Laze: I use icecast and it works fine. |
| 21:12.01 | numatrix | Laze: In fact, I've got an icecast server streaming off my local box right now and I'm listening to it with xmms locally. |
| 21:12.21 | numatrix | Laze: though it is set up for remote connections as well and occasionally friends listen in. |
| 21:12.50 | Dessimat0r | JasonNJ: I'm suprised you call the M$ Java 'Java'.. its so different that it should come under an entirely different name ;) |
| 21:13.21 | numatrix | j4v4, maybe? |
| 21:13.30 | numatrix | Since all the hackers are going to be talking about it so much now. :-) |
| 21:13.55 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 21:14.24 | Dessimat0r | j4\/4 |
| 21:14.50 | *** join/#openzaurus smbj (~smbj@64.30.163.182) |
| 21:18.51 | Laze | numatrix: The problem is the Zaurus i connected through a windows proxy on my workplace and im unable to do anything "http" like without the proxy and the XMMS doesn't support proxy. |
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| 21:22.20 | numatrix | Laze: you could get a direct port mapping on the windows host to whatever streaming server you want. Basic port forwarding. |
| 21:22.30 | Dessimat0r | Would it not be feasable to modify the net driver in some way so that it could support a proxy, instead of a direct connection? |
| 21:22.31 | numatrix | Laze: then just point xmms directly at the windows forwarded port. |
| 21:22.50 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: I think it's be easier to change the environment than the code, but that's probably just my natural response. |
| 21:23.43 | Dessimat0r | hmm, where is kergoth to tell me off |
| 21:23.46 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 21:24.16 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: doing what i get paid to do, i'll give you a raincheck on that tho |
| 21:24.20 | kergoth | :P |
| 21:24.27 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 21:29.25 | Dessimat0r | mmm... KFC |
| 21:30.11 | Laze | kergoth, Dessimat0r: How about mplayer, according to it's docs it should support proxy but it just hangs when i try it - any ideas? |
| 21:30.12 | *** join/#openzaurus AndyQ (AndyQ_w@pc-80-194-121-147-hy.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 21:30.18 | AndyQ | hello |
| 21:30.36 | Dessimat0r | Laze: Dunno, not an expert on Linux ;) |
| 21:30.41 | Dessimat0r | or whatever |
| 21:30.41 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:30.55 | Dessimat0r | lo AndyQ |
| 21:31.04 | AndyQ | having fun with OZ3.1 I see :) |
| 21:31.29 | Dessimat0r | Isn't OZ3.1 RC1 b0rked? |
| 21:31.31 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:31.44 | AndyQ | looks like it - heh |
| 21:32.06 | ljp_work | nope. |
| 21:32.10 | ljp_work | it's bjorked |
| 21:32.14 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 21:32.28 | AndyQ | bjorked again? |
| 21:32.43 | numatrix | Hmm, possible name for 3.1? borked or dekrob |
| 21:32.52 | *** join/#openzaurus prpplague (~JoeBob1@12.148.134.9) |
| 21:33.05 | Dessimat0r | Call it Melchavor ;) |
| 21:33.20 | numatrix | heading home for the day; later all |
| 21:33.26 | Dessimat0r | later |
| 21:33.44 | Dessimat0r | Balthzar |
| 21:35.38 | *** join/#openzaurus ep0ch (ep0ch@dsl-217-155-108-177.zen.co.uk) |
| 21:35.49 | Dessimat0r | Nihs Ikes Noilegnave |
| 21:36.06 | ljp_work | whhaa?! |
| 21:36.13 | AndyQ | huh? |
| 21:36.17 | Dessimat0r | read it backwards ;) |
| 21:36.22 | AndyQ | you smoking crack Dess? |
| 21:36.25 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 21:36.43 | ljp_work | thats looks t' me like sum foreign language thingy |
| 21:36.53 | AndyQ | evaneloin seki shin |
| 21:36.59 | AndyQ | ????? |
| 21:37.05 | ljp_work | oi |
| 21:37.13 | Dessimat0r | Shin Seki Evangelion = Neon Genesis Evangelion ;) |
| 21:37.43 | AndyQ | says who - I bet they were lying |
| 21:38.13 | AndyQ | come on - I bet you've got that tattooed on your shoulder and it really means look at this idiot :) |
| 21:38.15 | Dessimat0r | oops, Shin Seiki Evangelion ;) |
| 21:38.28 | Dessimat0r | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Shin+Seiki+Evangelion&spell=1 |
| 21:39.09 | AndyQ | lol |
| 21:40.49 | ljp_work | thats bjorkedness |
| 21:41.02 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 21:41.23 | kergoth | come on.. be less b0rked |
| 21:41.31 | Laze | kergoth: So... We are all waiting :-) |
| 21:41.39 | AndyQ | thats like - come on |
| 21:41.43 | Dessimat0r | do you know why Lucozade is called Lucozade? |
| 21:41.45 | ||ugh | drumroll... |
| 21:41.56 | Dessimat0r | The words sounds like 'lets go' in Japanese ;) |
| 21:41.57 | AndyQ | not a clue - but I've a damn good story about ribena if you are interested |
| 21:43.15 | JasonNJ | numatrix: the OZ 3.1 official mascot should be the Swedish Chef |
| 21:43.21 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:43.23 | JasonNJ | bork bork bork |
| 21:43.29 | AndyQ | heh |
| 21:43.44 | billytwowilly | the swedish chef will destroy you all;) |
| 21:43.46 | JasonNJ | hurdy gurdy.. |
| 21:43.47 | kergoth | ARGH! |
| 21:43.55 | AndyQ | still bjorked? |
| 21:43.56 | JasonNJ | you figured it out |
| 21:43.59 | AndyQ | again :) |
| 21:43.59 | kergoth | no |
| 21:44.00 | kergoth | i didnt |
| 21:44.03 | kergoth | its still b0rked |
| 21:44.49 | JasonNJ | hurdy gurdy.. der screenie wingy digi en der burgen stucken |
| 21:45.30 | Dessimat0r | was ist das? |
| 21:45.59 | AndyQ | kergoth: - urrgh - clean yourself up dude |
| 21:46.09 | AndyQ | very unhygenic! |
| 21:46.09 | JasonNJ | OZ 3.1: The Beeker Release |
| 21:46.13 | Dessimat0r | ich kann nicht Deutche gesprekt ;) |
| 21:46.24 | AndyQ | kergoth coagulates? |
| 21:46.32 | JasonNJ | scheisse |
| 21:46.47 | Dessimat0r | knobbenkopf |
| 21:46.51 | AndyQ | merde! |
| 21:47.03 | AndyQ | schnell scnell ktopplekopf! |
| 21:47.11 | AndyQ | das ist einen tollefotser! |
| 21:47.24 | AndyQ | die babana ist gelb |
| 21:47.45 | Dessimat0r | nein! das ist falch, FLACH, ich sprekt! |
| 21:48.59 | Laze | Kergoth: The broken RC1 is that the one on the homepage, have you guys tried booting without any cards inserted, it onced helped a frozen boot for me. |
| 21:49.09 | AndyQ | I always sucked at german! |
| 21:49.11 | kergoth | its not cards. |
| 21:49.11 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 21:49.13 | Dessimat0r | so did i |
| 21:49.13 | kergoth | its completely hosed. |
| 21:49.51 | AndyQ | there were two people at the end of every lesson who had to write the entire list of verbs out coz they got less than 5/10 in their vocab tests. I was one of them. EVERY FRICKIN LESSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:49.54 | Dessimat0r | der Mutter ist der Vater |
| 21:50.17 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 21:51.02 | Dessimat0r | in der Schwimmbad, ich geswimmt |
| 21:51.44 | kergoth | GAH! |
| 21:53.16 | AndyQ | kergoth: having fun? |
| 21:53.32 | kergoth | oh *hell* no |
| 21:53.35 | kergoth | it hates me |
| 21:53.37 | kergoth | OZ hates me today |
| 21:54.08 | AndyQ | kergoth: just face it sometimes OZ is evil, sometimes it is an angel - today - its just plain evil! |
| 21:54.09 | ult | what ever happened to that initrd? |
| 21:54.11 | Laze | leaver kergoth alone, he's busy making our lives better or is he watching "The Anna Nicole Show" and thats why its borked? |
| 21:54.22 | kergoth | Laze: shh! |
| 21:54.27 | AndyQ | well coding one handed is always tricky :) |
| 21:54.27 | JasonNJ | oh god anna nicole |
| 21:54.28 | kergoth | ult: its b0rked |
| 21:54.32 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:54.33 | ult | ewwww. |
| 21:54.38 | AndyQ | not from personal experience I must add :) |
| 21:54.40 | ult | what's wrong w/ it? |
| 21:54.40 | JasonNJ | she shouldnt wear such tight clothes |
| 21:54.57 | AndyQ | it makes your mouse move funny - or so I've heard |
| 21:54.59 | JasonNJ | I think she's pretty, but she shouldnt wear so much makeup and tight outfits |
| 21:55.07 | kergoth | JasonNJ: agreed |
| 21:55.17 | JasonNJ | I like big girls but that chick is totally trailer park |
| 21:55.25 | kergoth | yeh |
| 21:55.51 | JasonNJ | her son must be totally mortified |
| 21:56.03 | AndyQ | thatgirl is fugly! |
| 21:56.22 | JasonNJ | she wouldnt be fugly if she didnt use so much makeup and wore clothes that fit |
| 21:56.25 | kergoth | god i love the new battery status stuff |
| 21:56.38 | kergoth | apmd[343]" Batteru" 05%. cjargomg. tp e,[tu |
| 21:56.40 | kergoth | er |
| 21:56.48 | kergoth | apmd[343]: Battery: 95%, charging, ? to empty |
| 21:56.48 | AndyQ | kergoth: get that damn thing working so we can give it some love also |
| 21:56.49 | kergoth | he |
| 21:57.01 | JasonNJ | holy shit BoardWatch magazine went out of biz |
| 21:57.04 | JasonNJ | there goes my childhood |
| 21:57.08 | kergoth | im waiting for the damn thing to generate my ssh keys |
| 21:57.15 | AndyQ | <kergoth> apmd[343]" Batteru" 05%. cjargomg. tp e,[tu |
| 21:57.21 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 21:57.25 | AndyQ | hey everyone - kergoths on crack! |
| 21:57.38 | kergoth | whee! |
| 21:57.47 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: you can finish off this spliff for me, I've had enough ;) |
| 21:57.55 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 21:57.58 | kergoth | DAMNIT! |
| 21:58.00 | kergoth | AHHHHH! |
| 21:58.07 | AndyQ | not while hes having so much fun without it :) |
| 21:58.12 | Laze | hey pass on the crack!! |
| 21:58.25 | AndyQ | and surely there can't be much left of kergoth today to explode anymore |
| 21:58.29 | Dessimat0r | if you managed to cut the section of the brain out that made you want to sleep, what would happen? |
| 21:58.31 | Laze | Kergoth: got some bad crack - that made him explode ! |
| 21:58.47 | ult | Dess: You would go insane |
| 21:58.49 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: you'd be pretty damn tired but you just wouldn't care |
| 21:58.50 | kergoth | Laze: dont you hate that? |
| 21:58.52 | JasonNJ | dessimator: you would die |
| 21:58.58 | Dessimat0r | Laze: It gave him nightmares and a bad trip :( |
| 21:59.03 | kergoth | AHHh! |
| 21:59.09 | JasonNJ | there was a star trek episode about that |
| 21:59.15 | JasonNJ | they couldnt go to sleep |
| 21:59.20 | Dessimat0r | JasonNJ: ah, i remember |
| 21:59.23 | AndyQ | I awlays thought the Romans were sick buggers - cut off a prisoners eyelids so he couldn't go to sleep and watch him go insane! |
| 21:59.26 | JasonNJ | or couldnt dream |
| 21:59.30 | Dessimat0r | JasonNJ: but it was about not having dreams |
| 21:59.31 | JasonNJ | something like that |
| 21:59.37 | Dessimat0r | JasonNJ: rofl |
| 21:59.52 | Dessimat0r | JasonNJ: I never have dreams anyway |
| 22:00.03 | Dessimat0r | JasonNJ: not enough sleep ;) |
| 22:00.06 | JasonNJ | AndyQ: the romans? I thought it was my fraternity |
| 22:00.09 | Laze | Kergoth: Not as bad as when you discover the "problem" you had to drive across town to solve for your friend was a cable unplugged.. |
| 22:00.14 | AndyQ | JasonNJ: hehe |
| 22:01.24 | AndyQ | Laze: I REALLY hate that. I once had to walk 15 minutes across to another office in the pouring rain because one of my customers was in a panic that her brand new Sparc 2 was broken. I got there, took one look at it, reached down and switched the monitor on. Impressed I was not! |
| 22:01.58 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: LOL |
| 22:02.21 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: take a look at http://www.rathergood.com/independent_woman/ |
| 22:02.27 | kergoth | GAHHH! |
| 22:02.30 | AndyQ | Absolutley fantastic! |
| 22:02.39 | AndyQ | kergoth: you too - it will chill you out :) |
| 22:02.50 | kergoth | NO MUST FIX TOUCHSCREEN |
| 22:02.55 | kergoth | OZ 3.1rc1 is the devil |
| 22:02.56 | AndyQ | heheh |
| 22:03.08 | *** join/#openzaurus caffeinex36 (~caffeine@bgp522997bgs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 22:03.28 | Laze | AndyQ: Even better.. I was joking with a "telephone" girl at our company and pulled her monitor cable out so she should be shocked that her work was gone.... What does she do 1 sec. later, pulls the powerswitch to turn it back on.. :-) |
| 22:03.40 | AndyQ | Laze: roflmao! |
| 22:03.42 | Dessimat0r | this bloody radio controlled alarm clock won't update it is never to my computer |
| 22:03.45 | Dessimat0r | never : near |
| 22:04.01 | Dessimat0r | if it is near |
| 22:04.03 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 22:04.07 | kergoth | EVIL |
| 22:04.08 | kergoth | EVIL |
| 22:04.10 | kergoth | !^@#!@$^@!# |
| 22:04.16 | AndyQ | This is also brilliant! http://www.rathergood.com/vines/ |
| 22:04.44 | *** join/#openzaurus noda (~noda@modemcable136.245-202-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 22:04.46 | noda | Moo! |
| 22:04.46 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: pour some holy water on it. Oops, it has already had some ;) |
| 22:04.48 | kergoth | AHHH |
| 22:04.50 | kergoth | !! |
| 22:04.52 | noda | kergoth: It actually worked! :) |
| 22:04.53 | AndyQ | noda: baaa! |
| 22:04.55 | noda | (right?) |
| 22:05.01 | kergoth | OZ 3.1rc1 IS THE DEVIL |
| 22:05.05 | kergoth | and horribly b0rked |
| 22:05.10 | AndyQ | noda: join the fun - watch kergoth explode its great fun - for us anyway :) |
| 22:05.12 | noda | lol, no base images yet, eh :P |
| 22:05.16 | kergoth | noda: there was one |
| 22:05.18 | kergoth | noda: it was borked |
| 22:05.20 | Laze | Kergoth: Should we call an exorcist ? |
| 22:05.21 | kergoth | noda: its not there anymore |
| 22:05.24 | noda | lol |
| 22:05.24 | kergoth | Laze: yes |
| 22:05.52 | noda | Uh-oh... problem with downloads. |
| 22:06.00 | ult | So, like, how is it borked? |
| 22:06.05 | kergoth | noda: half our mirrors dont have the new zimages :) |
| 22:06.06 | kergoth | ult: touchscreen doesnt work |
| 22:06.12 | ult | eek! |
| 22:06.16 | kergoth | ult: you're indefinately hung at the calibrate screen, unable to calibrate. |
| 22:06.25 | noda | kergoth: The problem I see is that Apache isn't sending a nice Content-Type -- mozilla is trying to open it as a web page. |
| 22:06.29 | noda | Is it just me who's getting this? |
| 22:06.30 | ult | kernel problem or opie problem? |
| 22:06.36 | kergoth | ult: no idea. |
| 22:06.45 | kergoth | hence my frustration |
| 22:06.51 | ult | what kind of driver is the touchscreen? |
| 22:06.55 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:06.58 | kergoth | it a touchscreen driver. |
| 22:06.58 | ult | er, what kind of driver does the touchscreen use |
| 22:07.12 | kergoth | a shitty one? |
| 22:07.17 | noda | kergoth: Something's different between the old and new zImages. The old ones opened as files, the new ones open as text. |
| 22:07.18 | ult | does it emulate a USB or PS/2 mouse? |
| 22:07.20 | kergoth | ult: ? |
| 22:07.24 | kergoth | ult: its a *touchscreen* |
| 22:07.29 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 22:07.31 | kergoth | ult: there is no standard (or was no) for ts devices |
| 22:07.33 | noda | lol |
| 22:08.18 | kergoth | ult: there is now, with the input layer, but neither the ipaq or Z's ts drivers use it |
| 22:08.28 | ult | kerg: So how does one access the device? |
| 22:08.32 | kergoth | ult: huh? |
| 22:08.43 | kergoth | ult: theres a defined ts API for access to the Z touchscreen. you use it. |
| 22:08.50 | kergoth | ult: what do you mean how? |
| 22:08.54 | ult | Who provides the API? |
| 22:08.57 | kergoth | fd=open("/dev/ts"); |
| 22:08.59 | kergoth | "provides"? |
| 22:09.00 | kergoth | are you dense? |
| 22:09.12 | kergoth | lineo wrote the driver. driver has an API. wheres the confusion set in? |
| 22:09.23 | kergoth | *there is no standard for ts interfaces* |
| 22:09.29 | kergoth | its implementation dependent |
| 22:09.34 | kergoth | no one "provides" it |
| 22:10.13 | noda | "the kernel provides it! Whee!" :P |
| 22:10.17 | kergoth | noda: you're good! |
| 22:11.07 | ult | kerg: so, can you cat /dev/ts on oz3.1 and have it prin crap when you move the stylus around on the screen? |
| 22:11.12 | kergoth | ult: yes. |
| 22:11.22 | kergoth | ult: which is precisely my plan once i stop opie from autostarting |
| 22:14.40 | kergoth | anyone feeling daring? |
| 22:14.46 | ||ugh | How... |
| 22:14.48 | noda | kergoth: What do you need? |
| 22:14.55 | kergoth | need someone to test oz-base from 3.1rc1 |
| 22:14.59 | Laze | Kergoth: Im on.. |
| 22:15.00 | kergoth | see if thats where the b0rkedness lies |
| 22:15.00 | noda | Gimme gimme! :) |
| 22:15.00 | ||ugh | up it. |
| 22:15.04 | kergoth | hold up |
| 22:15.46 | ||ugh | FYI I am b0rked still, so I need a new initrd (I presume the original kernel is good). |
| 22:16.02 | noda | kergoth: And what the hell is wrong with these kernel images... this is a serious problem if the website won't let people download 'em properly :( |
| 22:16.38 | Laze | Noda: Can't people "right-click" or "shift-click"? |
| 22:16.48 | ep0ch | right clicking worked for me |
| 22:17.07 | noda | Laze: Well, first of all that's not intuitive. And second, that will prompt you to download the file "do_download.php"... which means people get the wrong filename. |
| 22:17.15 | ep0ch | i think all you have to do is have a filename extension |
| 22:17.28 | noda | ep0ch: The other zImages don't do this though - it's only the 3.1rc1 ones. |
| 22:17.29 | kergoth | ep0ch: yep, thats the problem |
| 22:17.36 | kergoth | noda: i forgot to name them .bin i think :) |
| 22:17.42 | kergoth | noda: rename them all to zImage-blah.bin |
| 22:17.46 | noda | kergoth: The old ones aren't named .bin either... |
| 22:17.46 | *** join/#openzaurus hugh (~hugh@216.240.42.47) |
| 22:17.48 | kergoth | noda: and alter the regex to show the -debug kernels |
| 22:17.51 | kergoth | noda: yes they are |
| 22:17.56 | noda | kergoth: Ah. |
| 22:18.12 | noda | kergoth: I can alter the regex but you'll have to rename since I don't have permissions :) |
| 22:18.24 | kergoth | noda: ah, k |
| 22:18.27 | kergoth | noda: need to fix my umask on sf |
| 22:18.32 | noda | Ah, yes, they do have .bin's - gotcha :) |
| 22:18.36 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:18.47 | Laze | Kergoth: When will it be upped? |
| 22:18.55 | kergoth | Laze: the unstable feed is being updated now |
| 22:19.02 | kergoth | lots of ipks to copy |
| 22:19.03 | noda | kergoth: Where's the "-debug"? After "ddstorage"? |
| 22:19.13 | kergoth | noda: yep |
| 22:19.22 | kergoth | noda: [-debug]{0,1} |
| 22:19.28 | kergoth | noda: (0 or 1 instances of it) |
| 22:19.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:19.39 | noda | Erm... (-debug)? you mean? |
| 22:19.52 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:19.54 | kergoth | that |
| 22:19.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:19.56 | kergoth | been a long day |
| 22:19.57 | noda | Hehehe :P |
| 22:20.32 | Laze | kergoth: Where will the files be placed? |
| 22:20.40 | kergoth | Laze: unstable feed |
| 22:20.42 | kergoth | ibot: oz feed |
| 22:20.43 | | i heard oz feed is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ |
| 22:20.59 | noda | And fyi that feed is linked to from the download page. |
| 22:21.03 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:21.19 | kergoth | noda: i have to talk to you about a slight alteration needed.. changing dir structure around a bit |
| 22:21.23 | kergoth | noda: later tho, not important |
| 22:21.26 | noda | kergoth: Sweet. debug kernels are matched :) |
| 22:21.36 | noda | kergoth: Okay. I'm gonna work on this dishtoys thing :) |
| 22:21.49 | kergoth | noda: got a reply from him? |
| 22:22.18 | noda | kergoth: Yep :) |
| 22:22.39 | noda | kergoth: Erm, lemme get this straight because I'm a bit confused: This shopping cart is contracted from a separate company? |
| 22:22.50 | kergoth | noda: from what i understand, yep |
| 22:23.18 | kergoth | noda, Laze: new oz-base is in unstable |
| 22:23.22 | noda | Mwahaha! These guys won't know what hit 'em when I think up something awesome :) |
| 22:23.29 | noda | thanks :) |
| 22:23.38 | kergoth | noda, Laze: DONT do a full upgrade from unstable! b0rkedness alert! |
| 22:23.55 | kergoth | noda, Laze: just try oz-base |
| 22:24.04 | noda | kergoth: Oh. Erm... actually I'm gonna have to not help you out there - my Z is in a state of needing-a-flash-from-the-pending-3.1rc1-release :) |
| 22:24.18 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:24.20 | *** part/#openzaurus ult (ultima@bespin.org) |
| 22:24.29 | kergoth | oz3rc1 is the devil |
| 22:24.38 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:24.53 | noda | "unnamed"? Want me to change that to "the devil"? |
| 22:25.14 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:25.14 | AndyQ | I'd help but I'm enjoying watching kergoth explode lots tonight :) |
| 22:25.16 | kergoth | why not |
| 22:25.25 | noda | Right! "The devil" it is :) |
| 22:25.31 | Dessimat0r | ah, kergoth, call OZ3.1 'hetlived' |
| 22:25.37 | Dessimat0r | read it backwards ;) |
| 22:25.44 | kergoth | devilthe? |
| 22:25.45 | kergoth | :P |
| 22:25.50 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:25.51 | kergoth | devilteh actually |
| 22:25.58 | kergoth | :P |
| 22:26.01 | ||ugh | I got dibs on the film rights! |
| 22:26.02 | Laze | Damm. Just flashed my zaurus back to Sharp rom and hoped to do a complete 3.1RC1 flash. |
| 22:26.06 | noda | I kinda prefer "the devil" |
| 22:26.11 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 22:26.13 | Dessimat0r | yeah |
| 22:26.14 | kergoth | yeah, i like the devil |
| 22:26.31 | noda | Done :) |
| 22:26.45 | AndyQ | kergoth: how about OZ 3.1 nwapslived |
| 22:26.52 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:27.39 | AndyQ | or eviltwistedbastard dratsabdetsiwtlive |
| 22:27.39 | noda | Hey, and your next release can be "sdrawkcabdellepserasemanesaelerruolla" |
| 22:27.51 | Dessimat0r | tawt |
| 22:27.54 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:27.56 | AndyQ | lol |
| 22:28.06 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 22:28.38 | Dessimat0r | gah! this Business Studies shit must be done |
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| 22:30.00 | erikd | sorry about that |
| 22:31.18 | noda | AndyQ: What do you do, btw? :) |
| 22:31.24 | Dessimat0r | bloody hell, I start my homework, and euro-trash comes on. How am i supposed to do my homework with one hand? |
| 22:31.37 | AndyQ | AndyQ: I work on the wonderous website - http://www.ba.com |
| 22:31.46 | AndyQ | pretty much all the selling engines and stuff |
| 22:32.04 | AndyQ | and I'm not sure why I prefixed the above with my nick |
| 22:32.12 | noda | I was wondering :) |
| 22:32.16 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 22:32.24 | AndyQ | heh - its been a long week and my mine is going |
| 22:32.45 | AndyQ | its actually a pretty cool website to work on - sooooo complex though! |
| 22:32.56 | noda | It looks very nice. Did you do the style too? |
| 22:33.19 | AndyQ | heh - nope - I'm completely backend - I definatly don't want to be a webber |
| 22:33.26 | noda | Lucky bastard :) |
| 22:33.35 | Dessimat0r | It certainly looks better than the OZ website ;) |
| 22:33.42 | noda | ibot: lart Dessimat0r |
| 22:33.59 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:34.00 | AndyQ | hehe - its seriously complex and required a shit load of servers to run it though |
| 22:34.08 | Laze | kergoth: I will just be waiting until the "complete" flash release is ready. |
| 22:34.16 | AndyQ | whereas I bet OZ website requires somewhat less processing power :) |
| 22:34.17 | kergoth | Laze: that doesnt help |
| 22:34.23 | kergoth | Laze: thing is, i dont know what the problem is |
| 22:34.29 | kergoth | Laze: so i cant make a fixed initrd until i find it |
| 22:34.34 | kergoth | i needed assistance in finding it :) |
| 22:34.40 | kergoth | but i do have a suspicion |
| 22:34.43 | noda | AndyQ: lol, well, in THEORY yes. In practice, it would except there are a few things that take 100 times more power than they should need :P |
| 22:35.03 | Laze | Kergoth: Okay so i flash it with the 3.0 and get the base using apkq update? |
| 22:35.06 | AndyQ | yup - don't I know it - we have about 30-40 servers running our website at the moment |
| 22:35.15 | kergoth | Laze: right. but hold off a bit, i have an idea |
| 22:35.15 | AndyQ | pretty powerful beasts as well! |
| 22:35.23 | noda | Because of people telling you stuff needs to be ready in half an hour, and then waiting about 36 hours after you're done to actually release :P |
| 22:35.31 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 22:35.33 | noda | AndyQ: Woo, that sounds fun :) |
| 22:35.41 | kergoth | ~lart noda |
| 22:35.46 | kergoth | no mojo for you! |
| 22:35.55 | noda | It's my MOJO baby! |
| 22:35.57 | AndyQ | yeah - tell you - release nights used to be fun but now they are pretty boring :( |
| 22:36.17 | AndyQ | gone are the days where you hit a problem and you patched it on the night (much more entertaining), now |
| 22:36.41 | AndyQ | if you hit a problem they pull the release and you fix it the next day and wait a week for it to get tested |
| 22:37.17 | noda | Heh, so PROFESSIONAL, eh? Ick :) |
| 22:37.53 | kergoth | hm |
| 22:37.56 | Laze | AndyQ: If it was microsoft it was done the way you have described , but the would make you pay for each release |
| 22:37.58 | kergoth | i think the qt/e 1211 snapshot is b0rked. |
| 22:37.59 | AndyQ | yeah - its sucks when you get so successful that you are a 'critical' part of the business and stability becomes more important than getting it out there |
| 22:38.28 | AndyQ | Laze: Oh trust me - they make you pay for each pulled release - not in cash terms but in sweat and blood! |
| 22:38.34 | noda | rofl |
| 22:39.19 | noda | WOW. Was anyone else aware of http://froogle.google.com/froogle? |
| 22:39.28 | kergoth | yeah, the word is spreading today |
| 22:39.31 | kergoth | pretty fucking cool |
| 22:39.36 | AndyQ | it really sucks when you find a problem on the night that you know damn well is a one line code change that can't possibly affect anything else and they make you go through a 2 day rebuild cycle, followed by a 5 day regresssion test, a two day prelive checkout then an overnight release |
| 22:39.36 | noda | I'll say! |
| 22:39.38 | kergoth | probably going to give pricewatch a run for its money |
| 22:40.08 | AndyQ | cool and it has porn :) - just put porn in the box and away it goes! |
| 22:40.28 | noda | Shit yeah... look at that, a $399 Zaurus. When I searched I couldn't get lower than that, and that's the first page of results :) |
| 22:40.29 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:40.42 | kergoth | wonder if you can sort by cost or something |
| 22:40.43 | noda | And bam, $387.95. Nice :) |
| 22:40.50 | noda | You can *narrow* by cost... |
| 22:40.56 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:40.58 | noda | And by category... |
| 22:41.02 | kergoth | i'd like to alter sort order |
| 22:41.07 | kergoth | personally |
| 22:41.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:41.13 | noda | I agree. |
| 22:41.38 | noda | Sheesh, sort by cost isn't there, that IS a let-down. |
| 22:41.44 | prpplague | sort by stolen or not |
| 22:41.46 | AndyQ | but its bloddy american based - no £!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:41.47 | noda | But still, I've found a Zaurus for $359. |
| 22:41.52 | AndyQ | bastards! |
| 22:42.42 | kergoth | fl;shaktha welktgsahafdlkg awtsf! |
| 22:42.43 | kergoth | !!! |
| 22:42.52 | noda | Not qt/e? |
| 22:42.53 | AndyQ | huh? |
| 22:42.56 | kergoth | i dont know |
| 22:43.07 | kergoth | cause i have to rebuild 2.3.4-beta2 with the new opie patches in order to run opie against it |
| 22:44.04 | kergoth | on the plus side |
| 22:44.08 | kergoth | our touchscreen *IS* working |
| 22:44.12 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.18 | kergoth | so the problem is something opie/qt related |
| 22:44.25 | kergoth | i'm betting on the new qt snapshot being the problem |
| 22:44.35 | noda | What's the problem? |
| 22:44.39 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:44.42 | kergoth | no touchscreen input |
| 22:44.45 | noda | Ah. |
| 22:44.46 | kergoth | you're stuck at the calibration screen |
| 22:44.47 | kergoth | unable to calibrate |
| 22:44.51 | noda | Fun. |
| 22:46.25 | Laze | Have to go to bed now, have fun working.. BTW. kergoth your doing a great thing and keep up the effort and why not setup a Paypal section so you guys go get some kind of "payback" for all the hard work. I know its against the open source idea. |
| 22:46.43 | kergoth | its a good idea actually, its been suggested before |
| 22:46.46 | noda | Laze: No it isn't... |
| 22:47.00 | kergoth | nothing about open source says you cant make money off it |
| 22:47.02 | kergoth | look at redhat |
| 22:47.08 | noda | Check all the copyleft philosophy, you'll find nowhere that it's against Free Software to donate money to developers :) |
| 22:47.17 | noda | In fact, you'll find the opposite :) |
| 22:47.25 | AndyQ | kergoth: even better, how about a beer - even better, if your ever over this side of the pond I'll buy you decent beers till they come out of your ears! |
| 22:47.35 | noda | Beer? Good idea. |
| 22:47.43 | kergoth | hah, that works, i'll just collect IOU's for beer |
| 22:47.46 | prpplague | AndyQ: hey, you better share |
| 22:47.48 | kergoth | then i'll have beer wherever i go! |
| 22:47.49 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 22:48.07 | AndyQ | prpplague: hey - I'll buy you all a beer - you all deserve one |
| 22:48.12 | AndyQ | or 5 |
| 22:48.14 | noda | Me too? |
| 22:48.23 | prpplague | kergoth: its always worked for me |
| 22:48.31 | AndyQ | noda: of course - who else would test SFCave :) |
| 22:48.33 | prpplague | AndyQ: where you at? |
| 22:48.43 | AndyQ | 'Sunny' England |
| 22:49.02 | Laze | Ooops - just checked. AndyQ: Rounds of beer are on me if you guys ever come to rainy Denmark. |
| 22:49.04 | AndyQ | just 'down the road' from Dessimat0r |
| 22:49.07 | kergoth | prpplague: hehe |
| 22:49.19 | prpplague | AndyQ: lol, thats not what i hear the weather is like today :) |
| 22:49.23 | prpplague | AndyQ: where bouts? |
| 22:49.38 | AndyQ | prpplague: nope - its crap, rainy windy and crap. In fact its just crap |
| 22:49.44 | AndyQ | prpplague: just north of Windsor |
| 22:49.44 | noda | lol |
| 22:50.02 | noda | Well hell, round of beers on me if people come to Montreal, but that's not gonna happen :) |
| 22:50.08 | prpplague | AndyQ: ahh, then i'll take a pint of courage and a pint boddingtons |
| 22:50.14 | AndyQ | no snow or anything nice like that - rain, wind, crap crap crap crap |
| 22:50.22 | AndyQ | in fact, its not very nice really |
| 22:50.29 | AndyQ | prpplague: where you from? |
| 22:50.36 | *** part/#openzaurus Laze (~Laze@212.10.10.204) |
| 22:50.39 | kergoth | hey if you guys come to snowy MN i've got ya covered |
| 22:50.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:50.44 | prpplague | AndyQ: the great country of texas :) |
| 22:50.50 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 22:50.50 | noda | kergoth: "snowy"? |
| 22:50.54 | noda | Ha! :P |
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| 22:51.10 | kergoth | noda: well not compared to canada of course, but hey |
| 22:51.13 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:51.14 | AndyQ | kergoth: tell you what, if I com to where ever MN is, I'll drinks are on me! |
| 22:51.20 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:51.32 | noda | Heh, I'm sure most of Saskatchewan and Manitoba is relatively snow-less, contrary to popular belief. |
| 22:51.38 | AndyQ | And I've got to get to Canada next year - board down those mountains! |
| 22:51.43 | noda | We've got 4 inches of really wet snow now :) |
| 22:51.49 | Laze | Just one final question? Does anyone know how to setup MP3 streaming through a proxy on the Zaurus? |
| 22:51.51 | kergoth | AndyQ: midwest united states. minnesota. only thing we have here is the huge ass megamall |
| 22:51.53 | noda | AndyQ: Out west? I've always meant to go there, looks sweet. |
| 22:51.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:51.57 | kergoth | 'mall of america' |
| 22:51.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:52.06 | AndyQ | oooooooooohhhhh - snow. me want snow. me want snow. me want snow..... |
| 22:52.14 | AndyQ | kergoth: lol |
| 22:52.15 | noda | Laze: Harlekin does :P. |
| 22:52.30 | noda | Perfect snowball/snowman weather :) |
| 22:52.48 | AndyQ | noda: Whistler, somewhere like that - the one place I've always fancied going to in the winter |
| 22:53.07 | AndyQ | off to Tignes (France) this year - next year Canada |
| 22:53.21 | Laze | Noda: Where do i get Harlekin? |
| 22:53.30 | noda | lol, my ex-roomate was at UBC (University of British Columbia) this fall semester, then he just quit, came and lived with us for 2 weeks, lived with another friend in the country for a week, then headed off to Whistler :P |
| 22:53.34 | noda | Laze: On #zaurus... sometimes... ;) |
| 22:53.37 | noda | ibot seen harlekin |
| 22:53.40 | | harlekin is currently on #opie (3h 57m 15s) #handhelds.org (3h 57m 15s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 15m 8s |
| 22:53.55 | AndyQ | brb - MUST HAVE BEER! |
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| 22:56.02 | AndyQ | back |
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| 22:56.26 | AndyQ | lo ciaolinux |
| 22:56.37 | ciaolinux | AndyQ: hi AndyQ... |
| 22:57.00 | ciaolinux | AndyQ: what are the news of the last few hours? |
| 22:57.29 | AndyQ | ciaolinux: well, kergoths exploded quite a bit, noda's been tempting me with tales of Canada |
| 22:57.57 | AndyQ | ciaolinux: porn has featured as well as one handed coding (but not for long :) |
| 22:58.07 | noda | AndyQ: It was snowing in October up here this year :) |
| 22:58.09 | AndyQ | ciaolinux: apart from that - pretty quiet really |
| 22:58.41 | AndyQ | ciaolinux: Oh yeah - noda has been pissing me off by telling me how much snow they've had whilst we've had not even a tiny sign of snow yet :( |
| 22:58.48 | noda | Oh shit! I can't believe I forgot I just bought myself a WD 120gig 7200RPM 8MB-cache hard drive :) |
| 22:58.51 | AndyQ | noda: DRATSAB!!!!!! |
| 22:58.56 | noda | AndyQ: Where are ya? |
| 22:59.12 | AndyQ | noda: England - just north of the big castle in Windor |
| 22:59.23 | noda | Bah. There aren't any mountains in England! |
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| 22:59.34 | noda | Mwahaha. My city *is* a mountain. So gnah :P |
| 22:59.50 | AndyQ | Mountains - we don't need no stinkin mountains - what the fuck are we to do with them - WE DONT GET MUCH SNOW HERE! |
| 23:00.00 | AndyQ | climb them?????? |
| 23:00.02 | AndyQ | pah! |
| 23:00.03 | noda | Hahaha :P |
| 23:00.13 | kergoth | mm rock climbing |
| 23:00.15 | ljp_work | yo G |
| 23:00.18 | AndyQ | hey ljp_work |
| 23:00.21 | ciaolinux | AndyQ: I had to change computer.. i think that this is the first time that ciaolinux has to be out of #openzaurus since long time ago |
| 23:00.23 | noda | We go sliding on ours, and jogging up them, and walking with Girls on weekends, looking over the entire city, etc. |
| 23:00.40 | AndyQ | ljp_work: you're a kitty person aren't you? |
| 23:00.40 | *** part/#openzaurus Laze (~Laze@212.10.10.204) |
| 23:00.48 | ljp_work | mountains? we bomb then to parking lots here |
| 23:00.52 | kergoth | i like mountains. i loved visiting colorado |
| 23:00.55 | kergoth | ljp_work: haha |
| 23:01.00 | ljp_work | yes, cats like me |
| 23:01.16 | AndyQ | noda: the only thing to really do on a mountain is to slide down it strapped to a piece of wook |
| 23:01.18 | ljp_work | and I am a cats human |
| 23:01.19 | AndyQ | wood |
| 23:01.36 | noda | AndyQ: Biking... biking is good. |
| 23:01.38 | noda | Hiking is fun |
| 23:01.38 | prpplague | everyone just needs to attend OLS |
| 23:01.39 | ljp_work | wook? as in wookie? |
| 23:01.40 | AndyQ | ljp_work: OK, take a look here: http://www.rathergood.com/independent_woman/ & http://www.rathergood.com/vines/ |
| 23:02.00 | ciaolinux | AndyQ: how is your new software coming? (you are working on lirc, right?) |
| 23:02.28 | AndyQ | ciaolinux: well - kinda - sorta - ish - I wrote a basic gui for TMM1 which is working |
| 23:02.39 | AndyQ | ciaolinux: or at least TMM1 seems happy :) |
| 23:02.55 | AndyQ | no error checking coz I don't have lirc to test it on yet |
| 23:02.56 | ciaolinux | AndyQ: is it on the feed? |
| 23:03.12 | AndyQ | ciaolinux: not a clue - it may be on TMM1's feed but you'd have to check with him |
| 23:03.24 | AndyQ | ljp_work: what did you think? |
| 23:03.44 | AndyQ | kittens doing stuff you wouldn't believe! |
| 23:04.20 | ljp_work | still dl |
| 23:04.34 | AndyQ | ljp_work: what connection are you on? |
| 23:05.23 | ljp_work | a slowdem here at work |
| 23:05.29 | AndyQ | urrgh! |
| 23:06.01 | ljp_work | hmm opera doesnt show the image |
| 23:06.49 | AndyQ | ljp_work: its a flash movie - but REALLY good! |
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| 23:06.54 | aman | yo |
| 23:07.01 | AndyQ | hey aman |
| 23:07.11 | aman | kergoth hey, getting errors |
| 23:07.17 | aman | AndyQ sup |
| 23:07.39 | aman | uildroot/output/staging/include/qt |
| 23:07.39 | aman | cp: cannot stat `/home/agupta/zaurus/buildroot/build/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20021211/include/qxt.h': No such file or |
| 23:07.40 | aman | directory |
| 23:07.59 | kergoth | aman: i know |
| 23:08.14 | aman | ok |
| 23:08.16 | kergoth | aman: not sure whats up |
| 23:08.24 | aman | its a symlink |
| 23:08.35 | kergoth | i know |
| 23:08.37 | aman | to a file that doesnt exist |
| 23:08.37 | kergoth | dead one right? |
| 23:08.39 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:08.46 | aman | ../exports/xc |
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| 23:08.59 | aman | something like that |
| 23:09.08 | kergoth | aman: my image is hosed. |
| 23:09.11 | kergoth | aman: touchscreen doesnt work in opie |
| 23:09.17 | kergoth | aman: you get stuck at the calibrate screen |
| 23:09.19 | aman | ick |
| 23:09.22 | kergoth | aman: let me know if your image works. |
| 23:09.30 | kergoth | aman: i couldnt release because of it, and i have no idea whats up |
| 23:09.45 | aman | i cant build..qte fails on this error |
| 23:10.01 | kergoth | aman: add rm -f $(SourceTree)/include/qxt.h above cp -a --dereference in staging install |
| 23:10.05 | kergoth | aman: :) |
| 23:10.23 | aman | bkpush that |
| 23:10.29 | kergoth | k |
| 23:10.52 | aman | i see you gave write access to pnis |
| 23:10.58 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:11.25 | aman | good was gonna tell you to |
| 23:11.34 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:13.20 | ljp_work | thats bjorked! |
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| 23:13.38 | kergoth | bjorked, that means you were assaulted by bjork? |
| 23:13.38 | ljp_work | I'm sick of talking |
| 23:13.48 | ljp_work | hehe yep |
| 23:14.02 | ||ugh | Your not talking, your typing. |
| 23:14.15 | ljp_work | ahhhh ya |
| 23:14.22 | ljp_work | I forgot.. I'm tired of typing |
| 23:14.39 | kergoth | I'm tired of working |
| 23:15.06 | ||ugh | Maybe you should use Grafiti for a while LJP_work... :r) |
| 23:15.33 | ljp_work | naa maybe speech to text :) |
| 23:16.03 | ljp_work | and then use emacspeak to code stuff |
| 23:16.04 | ||ugh | Gotta wait for the 5600 on that. |
| 23:16.52 | kergoth | ||ugh: ljp put a mic in one of his Zs |
| 23:16.58 | ||ugh | Visions of my fav martin with his anteni crossed (gees, with out ispell I am illerite...) |
| 23:17.31 | ljp_work | I still need to add a diaode |
| 23:17.36 | ||ugh | I have been thinking of getting the realy tiney bud mic's, it would not stick but a mm or two higher then the wavelan. |
| 23:17.36 | ljp_work | diode that is |
| 23:17.55 | AndyQ | good luck kergoth |
| 23:18.02 | kergoth | thanks andy |
| 23:18.09 | kergoth | frankly i'm tired of this |
| 23:18.13 | ljp_work | sometimes I hook up my mixing console to the Z and blast through my studio speakers |
| 23:18.14 | ||ugh | I also went to RadioSlock and got a converter so I can plug in chell phone Jabra in, works great. Once I have a Z again anyone want to try zmeeting? |
| 23:18.14 | kergoth | i want to get it released and go drink |
| 23:18.18 | AndyQ | kergoth: I can imagine |
| 23:18.22 | kergoth | heh :) |
| 23:18.44 | ||ugh | kergoth, where in 3 space are you? |
| 23:19.04 | kergoth | GAHHH |
| 23:19.13 | AndyQ | no joy? |
| 23:19.15 | kergoth | nada |
| 23:19.19 | kergoth | not a damn thing |
| 23:19.20 | kergoth | wtf/ |
| 23:19.25 | ||ugh | Kergoths three space locaction just got a lot fuzzyer... |
| 23:19.30 | ljp_work | button, button, who's got the button? |
| 23:19.53 | ljp_work | the Z needs that 3d desktop |
| 23:20.08 | ||ugh | What was the name of the little guy on the Flintstones that build The Button? |
| 23:20.11 | ljp_work | the one that zooms |
| 23:20.31 | ljp_work | hmm.. kazoo? |
| 23:20.40 | ljp_work | the green guy |
| 23:20.57 | ||ugh | Sounds right. Was mostly Z sounding after all... :r) |
| 23:23.11 | kergoth | grr |
| 23:23.39 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:24.07 | ||ugh | Linus released a 3.0 kernel! Wow thats 7 months early! :r) |
| 23:24.19 | Dessimat0r | When will we see a newer kernel in OZ? |
| 23:24.30 | kergoth | when it gets ported to a newer kernel |
| 23:24.32 | kergoth | obviously |
| 23:24.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:24.40 | noda | Dessimat0r: As soon as you finish it :) |
| 23:24.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:25.35 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:25.37 | ||ugh | Dessimat0r, newer kernels have problems with using older modules. Not impossible but it can be a support nightmare. The next step seems to be to goto a 2.4.18 to match what seems will ship on the 5600. |
| 23:25.46 | Dessimat0r | noda: I'm working hard on it! ;) |
| 23:26.21 | kergoth | ||ugh: assuming lineo is still around, bzflag has said he'll build the sd module against 2.4.18 for oz |
| 23:26.54 | ||ugh | Why not have him do it now, just in case...? |
| 23:27.06 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:27.11 | kergoth | you have a 2.4.18 kernel for OZ handy? cause i dont. |
| 23:27.20 | kergoth | suppose we could build against a general -rmk3 |
| 23:28.03 | ||ugh | Bingo, might be useful, might not. Gotta get rid of this slow SD binary driver in the long run though... Yea I know what we are up against. |
| 23:28.30 | kergoth | ||ugh: port the ipaq mmc driver |
| 23:28.34 | kergoth | ||ugh: then we'd have mmc at least |
| 23:28.37 | kergoth | GRRR |
| 23:28.40 | kergoth | my opie is so hosed |
| 23:28.44 | Dessimat0r | I've decided to code my own kernel - DessKern3L - its so high efficent that it consists of three lines - boot;, run;, crap; |
| 23:28.44 | kergoth | keyboard doesnt appear to work either |
| 23:28.45 | ||ugh | Speaking of slow drivers, the 'sycn' mode on the file systems, are they in block sync or write sync mode? It might make a difference. |
| 23:28.48 | kergoth | cancel doesnt exit networksetup -qws |
| 23:28.59 | kergoth | ||ugh: rtfc |
| 23:29.47 | ||ugh | Sadly I have not had time/systems to download my own image yet. It's on the agenda, right after shipping FreeS/WAN-2.00 AND getting it wipped up to work on the Z... |
| 23:29.59 | kergoth | ahh yeah |
| 23:29.59 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:30.08 | kergoth | this image is going to drive me insane |
| 23:30.10 | kergoth | what the hell |
| 23:30.17 | kergoth | keyboard and ts both fail to function |
| 23:30.31 | ||ugh | We each have our burdens to carry. |
| 23:30.38 | kergoth | indeed :) |
| 23:31.36 | ||ugh | Hey kergoth. Want some help? |
| 23:32.06 | ||ugh | Guess what, while my Z is frozen at the calibrate screen I can ssh into it! Anything you want to know? |
| 23:32.10 | kergoth | not sure how one could help.. unless you want to start upgrading packages on a 3.0 rom from the unstable feed, one at a time, until opie stops being able to be started |
| 23:32.13 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:32.15 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:32.17 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:32.53 | kergoth | not sure what we can do. its qt/e that handles the keyboard and ts |
| 23:32.58 | kergoth | ||ugh: fuser /dev/sharp_ts |
| 23:33.17 | Dessimat0r | dammit! Why did I leave this homework so long? |
| 23:33.18 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:33.21 | ||ugh | nothing happens (I don't know fuser) |
| 23:33.29 | kergoth | ||ugh: nothing returns? interesting. |
| 23:33.35 | kergoth | ||ugh: and fuser -m /dev/ts |
| 23:33.45 | kergoth | er |
| 23:33.46 | ||ugh | # fuser -m /dev/ts |
| 23:33.46 | ||ugh | /dev/ts: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 13 290 308 324 456 474 481 521 529 529m 573 606 |
| 23:33.46 | ||ugh | # |
| 23:33.47 | kergoth | not -m |
| 23:33.55 | kergoth | just fuser /dev/ts |
| 23:33.59 | kergoth | okay |
| 23:34.10 | ||ugh | Ugly bag of mostly water dence? |
| 23:34.20 | ||ugh | Nada. |
| 23:34.20 | kergoth | ||ugh: alright. so it appears that no processes have the ts open |
| 23:34.37 | kergoth | ||ugh: which is pretty strange, since qt should have opened it to obtain input |
| 23:34.44 | ||ugh | no lsof so it's hard to be sure. |
| 23:34.48 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:34.54 | ||ugh | But it's data! |
| 23:35.06 | kergoth | ||ugh: cat < /dev/ts |
| 23:35.10 | kergoth | ||ugh: tap the touchscreen |
| 23:35.25 | ||ugh | Works, I get binary junk. |
| 23:35.30 | kergoth | good, break out |
| 23:35.32 | kergoth | odd. |
| 23:35.40 | ||ugh | allready done. |
| 23:35.40 | kergoth | definately opie/qt b0rkness, but *what* |
| 23:35.59 | ||ugh | how about a log somewhere? Maybe I can turn one and and reboot? |
| 23:36.14 | kergoth | ||ugh: hmm yeah symlink /etc/init.d/syslog into /etc/rc2.d |
| 23:36.17 | *** join/#openzaurus AndyQ_ (AndyQ_w@pc-80-194-121-147-hy.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 23:36.18 | ||ugh | My guess is that the opie scrip that does the calabration is crashing. |
| 23:36.19 | kergoth | ||ugh: so it gets started |
| 23:36.28 | kergoth | ||ugh: then you can run logread from your ssh session |
| 23:36.37 | kergoth | opie will dump its messages to syslog |
| 23:37.07 | ||ugh | ok, S77syslog made |
| 23:38.21 | ||ugh | VERY WERID. more can see the symlinked file but less can not. Very odd. |
| 23:38.39 | ||ugh | rebooting |
| 23:38.46 | kergoth | weird |
| 23:38.47 | kergoth | k |
| 23:39.25 | ||ugh | VT+ACTOVATE nad fo;e descriptor |
| 23:39.30 | kergoth | yeah, know about that one |
| 23:39.32 | kergoth | anything else? |
| 23:39.35 | ||ugh | Message caught while it was booting..ok. |
| 23:39.36 | kergoth | (that one isnt harmful) |
| 23:39.37 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:40.28 | ||ugh | no files in /var/log |
| 23:40.38 | kergoth | i know |
| 23:40.39 | kergoth | i told you |
| 23:40.41 | kergoth | run logread |
| 23:40.49 | ||ugh | WTF? |
| 23:40.55 | kergoth | syslogd is run in such a way that it uses a 64k shared memory buffer |
| 23:41.01 | kergoth | rather than a file |
| 23:41.15 | ||ugh | never herd of that before, sigh. Just a file bigiot I guess. |
| 23:41.22 | ||ugh | Reading output. |
| 23:41.31 | kergoth | k |
| 23:41.50 | kergoth | ||ugh: well we are on a pda.. figured no point in setting up logrotate or something, and no need to waste ram with a huge log |
| 23:43.30 | noda | kergoth: Hrm... how busy are you right now? :) |
| 23:43.53 | noda | (i.e., free for a personal favour? :P) |
| 23:44.03 | ||ugh | nothing obvious, but I have not looked at this stuff before and it's slow slogging. |
| 23:44.07 | kergoth | noda: well, sorta, trying to figure out why rc1 doesnt seem to have a functional touchscreen in qt/e and opie |
| 23:44.58 | ||ugh | boring shit I presume: |
| 23:45.00 | ||ugh | Jan 1 08:23:46 zaurus syslog.warn klogd: NetWinder Floating Point Emulator V0.95 (c) 1998-1999 Rebel.com |
| 23:45.00 | noda | kergoth: Hrm... well, I'm not impatient. But if you're ever at a point where you're waiting for qt to recompile or something, could you please be as kind as to go over an email for me before I send it to this Dan person? :) |
| 23:45.00 | ||ugh | Jan 1 08:23:46 zaurus syslog.warn klogd: wrong magic |
| 23:45.00 | ||ugh | Jan 1 08:23:46 zaurus syslog.warn klogd: fatfs: bogus logical sector size 381 |
| 23:45.34 | Dessimat0r | bloody stupid terms in Business Studies/Shit - 'shoe leather costs' - the cost of looking around to find the best deal... |
| 23:45.37 | noda | Ooh ooh ooh! I know what I'm going to do right now! :) |
| 23:45.45 | noda | I'm gonna set myself to adam@adamhooper.com :) |
| 23:46.34 | ||ugh | more boring shit I presume: |
| 23:46.36 | ||ugh | Jan 1 08:23:58 zaurus user.notice root: QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image |
| 23:46.36 | ||ugh | Jan 1 08:23:58 zaurus user.notice root: QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image |
| 23:46.36 | ||ugh | Jan 1 08:23:58 zaurus user.notice root: Loading image: launcher/opie-background |
| 23:46.36 | ||ugh | Jan 1 08:23:58 zaurus user.notice root: Loading of image 'launcher/opie-background' is not ideal (either it doesn't exist or an extension was specified) |
| 23:46.36 | ||ugh | Jan 1 08:23:59 zaurus user.notice root: trying lib /opt/QtPalmtop//plugins/obex/libopieobex.so |
| 23:46.38 | ||ugh | Jan 1 08:23:59 zaurus user.notice root: c'tor |
| 23:46.40 | ||ugh | Jan 1 08:23:59 zaurus user.notice root: query |
| 23:46.53 | ||ugh | and thats it. Nothing that looks like an error at all. |
| 23:47.06 | kergoth | odd. |
| 23:47.31 | kergoth | noda: email it off to kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 23:47.42 | noda | kergoth: Thanks! :) |
| 23:47.45 | kergoth | np |
| 23:47.51 | kergoth | ill review when i get home, i'm taking off now |
| 23:48.03 | noda | Awesome, thanks a zillion :) |
| 23:48.13 | kergoth | np |
| 23:48.30 | ||ugh | Is there a way to get QT to dump a ps of it's light weight processes? |
| 23:49.14 | *** join/#openzaurus kb9 (ameizeli@204.246.220.74) |
| 23:49.40 | kergoth`gone | bbl |
| 23:50.52 | AndyQ | later |
| 23:50.59 | ||ugh | Anyone care to translate "bbl"? Bye Bye Loosers? |
| 23:51.24 | AndyQ | be back later |
| 23:51.44 | ||ugh | Ok. Back to RH auto installs and wall sheeting. |
| 23:52.28 | kb9 | I have a zaurus runnning openzaurus, and it seems to hang when it is inserted into the cradle; I then need to flip the battery switch in back to reset it. is this a known bug I should know about? |
| 23:53.05 | AndyQ | known bug but kergoth cant replicate it at all :( |
| 23:53.11 | kb9 | hehe |
| 23:53.22 | AndyQ | my workaround was to get a wifi card - no crashes now :) |
| 23:53.48 | kb9 | hrmm.. I'd like to help track down the error, if possible. .. I was thinking about getting a wifi card anyway:) |
| 23:54.20 | kb9 | ... .. I'll have to investigate turning on syslogging for a short period of time. |
| 23:54.38 | kb9 | thanks for your advice... |
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