| 00:01.11 | *** join/#openzaurus dep (~chatzilla@h24-77-50-229.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 00:01.20 | Laze | Kergoth: Why are you = asshole, shouldn't you be = exploded? |
| 00:06.53 | *** join/#openzaurus aman (foobar@h-69-3-158-91.MCLNVA23.covad.net) |
| 00:06.57 | lsmith | wb aman |
| 00:07.03 | aman | argh!! |
| 00:07.04 | aman | thanks |
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| 00:10.12 | cerezu | ibot feed |
| 00:10.13 | | extra, extra, read all about it, feed is a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 00:10.29 | lsmith | i feel this emptyness .. |
| 00:10.39 | lsmith | havent flashed my zaurus in a while :-) |
| 00:11.03 | cerezu | lol..me too |
| 00:11.12 | lsmith | which is probably a good thing |
| 00:11.18 | lsmith | because i need to focus on work |
| 00:11.19 | cerezu | but i've been getting wierd ass bugs from it..3.0..just weird!! |
| 00:11.38 | cerezu | like I kill aprocess when it says do you want to shut this application down, i reboot it, and opie wont start anymore |
| 00:11.57 | lsmith | current work project would even be great fun if it werent for deadlines |
| 00:12.15 | lsmith | cerezu: yeah known bug in oz 3.0 stable |
| 00:12.26 | lsmith | dont kill processes :-) |
| 00:12.43 | cerezu | is it fixed? |
| 00:12.46 | cerezu | now? |
| 00:13.01 | cbok | anyone seen the new star trek yet? |
| 00:13.12 | cerezu | i'm going to tonight |
| 00:13.14 | noda | no, any good? |
| 00:14.07 | cerezu | can someone please direct me to a working stable feed for oz/opie? |
| 00:14.27 | cbok | i'm going in an about 1 hr |
| 00:14.37 | cbok | cerezu ask ibot |
| 00:14.41 | cbok | ibot current feed |
| 00:14.42 | | i haven't a clue, cbok |
| 00:14.42 | lsmith | cerezu: well there is either oz 3.0 or unstable |
| 00:14.48 | lsmith | which is currently very unstable |
| 00:14.54 | cbok | there is also 3.1rc1 |
| 00:14.57 | lsmith | oz 3.1 rc1 is under way |
| 00:14.59 | cbok | which is.. |
| 00:14.59 | cbok | well |
| 00:15.01 | cbok | scary |
| 00:15.01 | cbok | :) |
| 00:15.06 | lsmith | just nobody knowns when |
| 00:15.12 | cerezu | fer 3.0 |
| 00:15.13 | Onyx4 | cerezu: wait until tonight or tomorrow, we'll probably have rc1 up |
| 00:15.29 | cerezu | hrm.. |
| 00:15.35 | lsmith | the thing is oz is under such a heavy development that probably the most stable release is some unknown combination of dev releases |
| 00:15.37 | cerezu | any feeds right now for apps? |
| 00:15.47 | cbok | 3.0 |
| 00:15.51 | cbok | ibot feed |
| 00:15.51 | | i guess feed is a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 00:16.01 | cbok | ibot help |
| 00:16.10 | cerezu | i went to all those, and the only one that appears to be working is http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/feed/ |
| 00:16.13 | cbok | cerezu ibot help |
| 00:16.20 | cerezu | and i was wondering is that the stable feed? |
| 00:16.26 | cbok | ibot stable |
| 00:16.27 | | cbok: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:16.46 | cbok | cerezu - oddly, your question has been answered |
| 00:17.05 | cbok | cerezu - shall i write it in sidewalk chalk for you? |
| 00:17.14 | cerezu | sure |
| 00:17.51 | Laze | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/ |
| 00:18.02 | cbok | ibot lart cerezu |
| 00:18.07 | cerezu | thanks |
| 00:18.14 | cbok | http://www.openzaurus.org <-- read the faq |
| 00:18.18 | cbok | ibot faq |
| 00:18.18 | | somebody said faq was at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or at http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html or at http://www.openzaurus.org/ |
| 00:18.18 | cerezu | i did |
| 00:18.34 | cbok | ibot labotomy cerezu |
| 00:18.34 | | cbok: bugger all, i dunno |
| 00:18.47 | cbok | ibot lobotomy cerezu |
| 00:18.47 | | cbok: no idea |
| 00:18.55 | cerezu | ibot cbok is a lobotomy expert. |
| 00:18.56 | | cerezu: okay |
| 00:18.57 | cerezu | ibot cbok |
| 00:18.58 | | i guess cbok is a lobotomy expert. |
| 00:19.08 | cerezu | ibot remove cbok |
| 00:19.08 | | cerezu: are you smoking crack? |
| 00:19.12 | cerezu | hahaha |
| 00:19.15 | cbok | :) |
| 00:19.29 | cerezu | ibot erase cbok |
| 00:19.29 | | cerezu: bugger all, i dunno |
| 00:19.41 | cerezu | ibot STOP SMOKING CRACK |
| 00:19.41 | | cerezu: no idea |
| 00:20.04 | cerezu | ibot crack is ibot on crack...with a little touch of yo mama eating microchips. |
| 00:20.04 | | ...but crack is already something else... |
| 00:20.09 | cerezu | ibot crack |
| 00:20.10 | | ACTION thinks the party is getting out of hand |
| 00:20.15 | cerezu | lol |
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| 00:22.10 | cerezu | oh my god..my docking station actually still works...after getting mauled and chewed by my goddamn cat |
| 00:26.33 | Laze | Anybody know if these two problems with WLAN are solved in RC1 http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=91 - http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=104 |
| 00:29.10 | kergoth`out | yo cerezu, any progress on that keyboard driver? </pester> :P |
| 00:29.22 | noda | kergoth: Done? :) |
| 00:29.24 | kergoth | cerezu: how ya beeN? |
| 00:29.33 | kergoth | noda: opie is built, bout to flash and confirm the fix |
| 00:29.55 | noda | kergoth: Want me to un-do the release so you can re-release? |
| 00:30.07 | kergoth | noda: please do, we'll want onyx4's new changelog entries in it |
| 00:30.20 | noda | Okay, doing so now :) |
| 00:30.24 | kergoth | oh crap, need to write up a "Call for testers" announcement of the rc |
| 00:30.35 | cerezu | hey kergoth, hows it? |
| 00:31.17 | kergoth | lsmith: in general, the latest is usually more stable than anything else. you simply take the risk that something will explode horribly :) |
| 00:31.39 | lsmith | that i can attest to from personal experience |
| 00:31.45 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:32.06 | noda | kergoth: I think it's done :) |
| 00:32.13 | lsmith | but lets say that while the sharp folks took the route of being fairly stable yet featureless, oz/opie went another route |
| 00:32.20 | lsmith | that holds much more promise |
| 00:32.31 | lsmith | and is a fairly good choice if you are willing to fiddle abit |
| 00:32.55 | lsmith | lets say oz currently is not for the faint of heart |
| 00:34.01 | lsmith | but as long as it only takes me 10 mins to fix things to be able to listen to music, whatever bad thing i did to my zaurus, i dont have a problem ... |
| 00:34.06 | ljp | frickin rum nite! |
| 00:34.23 | lsmith | someday that atittude might change |
| 00:35.05 | Onyx4 | kergoth: I'm gonna start for now by just putting QTDIR into staging, i'll do the opiedir later, since there are some makefiles that depends on OPIE for copying stuff which I'll need all to recheck before making the OPIEDIR into staging |
| 00:35.10 | noda | kergoth: Looks like the changelog has been taken back perfectly :) |
| 00:35.51 | Onyx4 | actually, most QT applications only depends on QTDIR not OPIE or QPEDIR since they assume the QTDIR has qpe and stuff in it |
| 00:36.19 | lsmith | did i mention i now have a personal secretary? ... live is good :-) |
| 00:36.37 | noda | lsmith: Female? :) |
| 00:36.39 | Davv | kergoth: disregard my previous APMD issue. After uninstalling and re-installing apmd from oz unstable, I can not reproduce the problem of OPIE hang (originally it happened when "Deactivate LCD screen only - does not suspend) was enabled.. It appears to be working fine. |
| 00:36.41 | kergoth | Onyx4: k, thats fine |
| 00:36.44 | lsmith | sure ... 11 years older than me |
| 00:36.46 | kergoth | Davv: hmmm k |
| 00:36.56 | noda | lsmith: That a good thing or a bad thing? :P |
| 00:37.14 | lsmith | if i were 14 it probably would be :-) |
| 00:37.19 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:37.19 | noda | Hehehe |
| 00:37.46 | noda | kergoth: How's the flashed Zaurus? Does the calibration work? :) |
| 00:38.07 | aman | fixed yet? |
| 00:38.12 | aman | onyx? |
| 00:38.24 | ljp | no! dont do it! |
| 00:39.13 | kergoth | ~fishslap ljp |
| 00:39.18 | | ACTION slaps ljp up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 00:39.22 | Onyx4 | aman: what exactly you referering to? |
| 00:39.37 | ljp | hey! you cant do that to me! |
| 00:40.22 | aman | onyx calibration |
| 00:40.30 | Onyx4 | im not working on that one |
| 00:40.31 | kergoth | aman: ? |
| 00:40.37 | aman | ahok |
| 00:40.38 | kergoth | aman: you're mixing up your devs |
| 00:40.47 | kergoth | mm rum |
| 00:40.50 | aman | how go the buildroot fixes then |
| 00:41.11 | Onyx4 | i'm trying to compile qte/opie/apps atm |
| 00:41.14 | Onyx4 | so far so good |
| 00:41.19 | aman | good |
| 00:41.29 | Onyx4 | still long way to go before it finishes |
| 00:41.44 | aman | darn |
| 00:41.46 | kergoth | Onyx4: dont push those changesets until its working |
| 00:41.51 | kergoth | Onyx4: i have a release to get out here :) |
| 00:42.56 | Onyx4 | yep |
| 00:43.13 | Onyx4 | it's doesn't affect the final files anyway, so it's only buildroot specific |
| 00:43.20 | Onyx4 | I'll push them only after 3.1rc1 is done |
| 00:43.21 | ljp | you guys have that rom out yet? |
| 00:43.24 | ljp | heh |
| 00:43.35 | kergoth | Onyx4: i know, but i'm rebuilding the qt/e and opie apps for the feed in a few. |
| 00:43.44 | Onyx4 | if kismet-qt,zuc and zipsc don't compile , just don't include them, they might I haven't been able to complete the test yet |
| 00:44.19 | kergoth | k |
| 00:44.57 | aman | ok |
| 00:45.32 | aman | did kergoth push fixes so i can build qte with zaurus stuff now |
| 00:45.37 | aman | or did you? |
| 00:45.43 | tux_mike | anyone know much about athalons? |
| 00:46.00 | aman | or can i still not build a working calib image |
| 00:46.47 | kergoth | tux_mike: i know theres only one 'a' in the word |
| 00:46.52 | kergoth | tux_mike: :P |
| 00:46.56 | tux_mike | :P |
| 00:47.07 | kergoth | aman: /me bk -r diffs |
| 00:47.12 | tux_mike | do you know which ones support which instruction extensions? |
| 00:47.19 | kergoth | fraid not |
| 00:47.30 | kergoth | Reconfiguring packages installed to root................................ |
| 00:47.43 | tux_mike | i'm trying to make an SRPM that can be optimized well |
| 00:47.47 | kergoth | CHRISTFUCK CHRISTFUCK! |
| 00:47.58 | aman | onyx4 if you get a chance, add zbedic also |
| 00:48.06 | tux_mike | i have a friend who like wumpscut |
| 00:48.09 | kergoth | tux_mike: google for athlon optimizations. gentoo has a page on the optimizations they use, and those that are available |
| 00:48.17 | kergoth | tux_mike: i forgot to bookmark it, but found it useful |
| 00:48.25 | tux_mike | cool. ill look there |
| 00:48.32 | tux_mike | qt is such a pain in the ass |
| 00:49.14 | Onyx4 | aman: yes after im done with the first 3 |
| 00:49.59 | aman | awesome |
| 00:49.59 | cerezu | havent used my zaurus in awhile, i missed it so much |
| 00:50.03 | aman | great job |
| 00:50.23 | aman | we need people to work on the kernel |
| 00:50.37 | aman | volunteers? |
| 00:50.41 | aman | :) |
| 00:51.25 | dep | what needs to be fixed in the kernel? |
| 00:51.59 | noda | kergoth: Give us a status update! Can you calibrate? :) |
| 00:52.28 | cerezu | is there a command line supplement for aqpkg? |
| 00:52.32 | lsmith | dep: version number needs to be bumped to 2.4.20 ;-) |
| 00:53.01 | noda | cerezu: What do you mean? :) |
| 00:53.15 | aman | dep porting of patches from .6 to .20 |
| 00:53.17 | dep | oh, is that all. grin. any chance that sharp will do it with the release of the 5600? |
| 00:53.23 | Onyx4 | mmm where is the version.h for qte/opie ? |
| 00:53.25 | cerezu | so instead of using the interface, is there a command line tool that will install it, create locations, etc? |
| 00:53.25 | lsmith | aqpkg is a front end to the ipkg command line tool |
| 00:53.37 | noda | ipkg and ipkg-link |
| 00:53.39 | cerezu | yea..but ipkg doesnt do everything, does it? |
| 00:53.41 | cerezu | oh.. |
| 00:53.42 | cerezu | thanks |
| 00:53.44 | aman | cerezu ipkg and ipkg-link |
| 00:53.46 | noda | cerezu only uses ipkg and ln. |
| 00:53.54 | noda | s/cerezu/aqpkg :P |
| 00:54.00 | cerezu | yea..lol |
| 00:54.19 | aman | stupid small keyboard |
| 00:54.32 | noda | hehehe |
| 00:54.53 | aman | need to order parts tonight |
| 00:55.00 | noda | You're gonna make an IR keyboard? :) |
| 00:55.16 | aman | adapter for a ps2 keyboard |
| 00:55.22 | noda | Oh fun |
| 00:55.26 | aman | that will let me use with Z |
| 00:55.31 | aman | over IR |
| 00:55.36 | aman | loads of fun |
| 00:55.42 | noda | Doesn't the Sharp IO port let you plug in a keyboard? |
| 00:56.16 | aman | go away |
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| 00:56.29 | aman | building + IR = more fun |
| 00:56.33 | aman | and cooler too |
| 00:56.38 | aman | :) |
| 00:56.49 | noda | Heh |
| 00:59.00 | cerezu | you know what..screw showimg, i never can get it to work ;-[ |
| 00:59.06 | cerezu | just using konquerer now |
| 00:59.12 | noda | kergoth: !!!??? |
| 00:59.40 | noda | kergoth: But didn't you find the bug? |
| 00:59.51 | noda | kergoth: You copied the wrong initrd, or you renamed it to something else or something :P |
| 00:59.53 | kergoth | i *thought* i found it, yes |
| 00:59.56 | kergoth | noda: could be |
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| 01:00.03 | noda | I'm sure it's a stupid mistake this time :) |
| 01:00.11 | kergoth | just to be safe |
| 01:00.13 | noda | Aaaaaaaaaah |
| 01:00.26 | kergoth | noda: ? |
| 01:00.28 | noda | Oh, not build/, n/m :P |
| 01:00.31 | kergoth | hehehe |
| 01:01.07 | noda | kergoth: If we did an ipkg upgrade would the image you put up yesterday be able to calibrate? :) |
| 01:01.15 | kergoth | noda: ? |
| 01:01.19 | kergoth | i havent updated the feed since yesterady |
| 01:01.24 | noda | Ah. Damn :) |
| 01:02.12 | Onyx4 | anyone gonna see the new startrek? |
| 01:02.31 | cerezu | me |
| 01:02.37 | Davv | noda: give you plenty of time for oz testing. :) |
| 01:02.39 | stonage | Onyx4: I'm going tonight |
| 01:02.50 | kergoth | ~rfishslap |
| 01:02.52 | Onyx4 | ok.. I hope it's good, the reviews are somewhat varied |
| 01:02.55 | stonage | cerezu: worth it? |
| 01:02.56 | noda | Davv: oz testing? I've got some contracts I gotta do, only reason I put them off is that I can't concentrate :( |
| 01:02.56 | kergoth | ~rlart |
| 01:03.08 | kergoth | odd |
| 01:03.09 | noda | kergoth: Speaking of which, did you find out the price? :) |
| 01:03.14 | kergoth | ibot: literal rfishslap |
| 01:03.15 | | rfishslap is <reply> see fishslap $randnick |
| 01:03.21 | kergoth | ibot: literal rlart |
| 01:03.23 | | rlart is <reply> see lart $randnick |
| 01:03.28 | kergoth | hm |
| 01:03.32 | kergoth | ibot: fishslap me |
| 01:03.36 | | ACTION slaps kergoth up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 01:04.10 | kergoth | noda: fraid not, havent talked to him in a couple days |
| 01:04.25 | noda | That's cool. He wants to call me - good sign methinks :). |
| 01:04.27 | kergoth | noda: guy's obsessed with his woman again, hard to drag his ass out or get him on the phone |
| 01:04.32 | kergoth | noda: ah cool, glad to hear that |
| 01:04.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:05.21 | stonage | is there a default root password on the new OZ 3.1? |
| 01:05.33 | noda | no. |
| 01:05.47 | kergoth | hm, we should set one. make it 'openzaurus' or something |
| 01:05.53 | noda | However, if you want to write a startup wizard that sets root password, ... |
| 01:05.57 | kergoth | actually, we need a password changing gui |
| 01:05.59 | kergoth | noda: right. |
| 01:05.59 | noda | kergoth: I'd advise against it. |
| 01:06.00 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:06.05 | kergoth | startup wizard is best |
| 01:06.27 | noda | The only advantage of having a default password is that we get to put up another FAQ and so that statistic is 1 higher :) |
| 01:06.45 | kergoth | security |
| 01:06.50 | kergoth | ssh is wide open on all interfaces |
| 01:07.03 | kergoth | ftp you can limit by ip/mask, but ssh is wide open |
| 01:07.11 | noda | Yeah, but it's not secure. Because as soon as you have a default password that's what the hacker is always going to try. |
| 01:07.18 | noda | It's a false sense of security, instead of real security. |
| 01:07.21 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:07.33 | stonage | a random password.... |
| 01:07.43 | kergoth | stonage: ugh, thatd be a support nightmare |
| 01:07.45 | stonage | no, I think the startup sounds good |
| 01:07.45 | noda | stonage: That is idiotic. |
| 01:07.53 | lsmith | no its better |
| 01:08.06 | noda | We get enough problems on this channel. A startup ask-for-password is best for sure. |
| 01:08.07 | kergoth | no, its not |
| 01:08.08 | lsmith | because it will make people remember that fact that they should have a password |
| 01:08.11 | kergoth | no |
| 01:08.17 | lsmith | if you know the password is set to a default pw |
| 01:08.19 | kergoth | bootup generates pass, says 'write this down' |
| 01:08.20 | kergoth | user doesnt |
| 01:08.22 | kergoth | b00m |
| 01:08.26 | lsmith | they know they are running in securely |
| 01:08.26 | kergoth | "help! i forgot my password!" |
| 01:08.47 | Onyx4 | kergoth: would could compile ssh with libwrap |
| 01:08.53 | noda | Not only that, I say we should actually give the option of NOT setting a root password at all - some users would prefer it. |
| 01:08.53 | Onyx4 | kergoth: and then use hosts.allow hosts.deny |
| 01:08.55 | kergoth | Onyx4: tcp wrappers? |
| 01:09.04 | kergoth | Onyx4: no gui for it.. want to write one? |
| 01:09.08 | Onyx4 | ah that's true |
| 01:09.09 | kergoth | Onyx4: or rather, a new tab for Security.. |
| 01:09.19 | Onyx4 | yeah opie security tab would need enhancement |
| 01:09.34 | Onyx4 | who maintains it? |
| 01:09.56 | kergoth | everybody |
| 01:10.03 | noda | lsmith: And no, regular users do not know that a default password is insecure. |
| 01:10.15 | Onyx4 | then a lot of the services could use hosts.allow hosts.deny, like syncing and stuff |
| 01:10.30 | lsmith | noda: yes they do .. they just think that nobody will bother with them |
| 01:10.31 | kergoth | Onyx4: yeah. opie could use it for the ftp .. then just write a decent gui |
| 01:10.39 | kergoth | Onyx4: its not *much* security, but at least its something |
| 01:10.50 | noda | lsmith: How many users have you had to interact with? :) |
| 01:11.02 | Davv | Hmm.. AQPkg (aqpkg_0.9.1-20021212_arm.ipk) has proxy support, but looses the ability to toggle between the _active_ feeds from the GUI. Have to manually change /etc/ipkg.conf. Also it does not comment out the username/password proxy when it is 'not selected' in prefs. |
| 01:11.07 | noda | lsmith: Kergoth can back me up on this one I'm sure, he's in support :) |
| 01:11.15 | kergoth | Davv: report it then. |
| 01:11.20 | kergoth | Davv: opie.info/bugs/ |
| 01:11.25 | Davv | kergoth: report it to where? k.. thanx |
| 01:11.31 | kergoth | Davv: or pester andyq if you see him in here, he's the guy who wrote it |
| 01:11.32 | Onyx4 | kergoth: it'd be similar to most linux distro default security at least :) |
| 01:11.37 | lsmith | i have enough users with post it stamps with their passwords on them |
| 01:11.45 | Davv | Kergoth: I'll keep an eye on the look out for him. |
| 01:11.46 | noda | Distros ask you to give a password. They don't set a default. |
| 01:11.48 | kergoth | Onyx4: redhat 8.0, mandrake 8.1, include a default iptables config |
| 01:11.50 | lsmith | or users that user their firstname as username and password |
| 01:11.51 | kergoth | noda: right. |
| 01:12.28 | noda | lsmith: Exactly. They think they're secure enough. |
| 01:12.45 | lsmith | no they think that nobody wants to get their stuff |
| 01:12.49 | noda | It's futile, really. The best thing you can do is give them one less thing to forget. |
| 01:13.00 | noda | And tell them SET A GOOD PASSWORD, YOU IDIOT on first boot :) |
| 01:13.30 | noda | Maybe even have it randomly generate: "Can't think of a password? jd76FsG3 is a secure password." |
| 01:13.34 | ||ugh | Yea Kergoth! The evil bug is fixed! Now, is there something useful for me to load on my Z? |
| 01:13.41 | kergoth | ||ugh: no |
| 01:13.48 | kergoth | ||ugh: not yet anyway |
| 01:13.51 | noda | ||ugh: kergoth only THINKS it's fixed :P |
| 01:13.53 | Onyx4 | heh I have my own domain name now :) w00t |
| 01:13.59 | kergoth | well, i fixed a HUGE bug that WOULD cause this |
| 01:13.59 | Onyx4 | onyx4.com |
| 01:14.00 | lsmith | the mozilla approach is pretty good |
| 01:14.02 | noda | Onyx4: ooh, fun! :) |
| 01:14.06 | lsmith | give them a quality rating |
| 01:14.17 | Onyx4 | godaddy only charge 20$ a year with proxy for privacy that's cheap |
| 01:14.19 | lsmith | you simply cant push users to be secure |
| 01:14.30 | lsmith | you gotta continiously educate them |
| 01:14.37 | lsmith | and remind them of the risks they are taking |
| 01:14.42 | kergoth | yeap |
| 01:14.46 | ||ugh | Rats, well when there is I can test it in seconds (either that or put RZ/OZ3 on the Z, but thats boring and does not push the cause forward). |
| 01:14.48 | noda | Silly users. |
| 01:14.52 | lsmith | indeed |
| 01:15.26 | lsmith | computers will not be safe until we have sensors in our chairs to check if our butt smells right ;-) |
| 01:15.54 | kergoth | okay i hereby declare that i will never own a butt smell sensor |
| 01:16.03 | noda | No, all we need is Palladium! That will solve the world's security problems! </MS> |
| 01:16.32 | stonage | where's the current unstable release located? the oz.org/feeds directory no longer works |
| 01:16.45 | kergoth | ibot: oz feed |
| 01:16.47 | | from memory, oz feed is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ |
| 01:16.47 | Onyx4 | we need a "credits" on the web page of openzaurus |
| 01:16.50 | noda | stonage: Check the "downloads" page on openzaurus.org |
| 01:16.50 | lsmith | oz.org/official |
| 01:16.51 | kergoth | Onyx4: yes we do |
| 01:16.52 | stonage | thanks |
| 01:16.58 | kergoth | Onyx4: paypal donation links on the devs too |
| 01:17.03 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 01:17.03 | noda | Onyx4: Aaargh, dammit, stop coming up with ideas! |
| 01:17.18 | lsmith | shut up and code noda ;-) |
| 01:17.22 | ljp | paypal links for opie devs also! :D |
| 01:17.26 | noda | lol |
| 01:17.39 | noda | This TODO is getting pretty big... (http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/TODO) |
| 01:17.41 | stonage | but don't touch oz3.1rc1 correct? |
| 01:17.45 | kergoth | ljp: opie's site sucks |
| 01:17.47 | kergoth | ljp: :) |
| 01:17.53 | kergoth | stonage: dont touch the unstable branch. |
| 01:17.57 | kergoth | stonage: its b0rked |
| 01:18.01 | kergoth | stonage: testing is b0rked as well |
| 01:18.03 | stonage | ok |
| 01:18.13 | kergoth | only stable is .. stable |
| 01:18.17 | lsmith | http://pear.php.net/package-info.php?package=MDB .. go to the bottom and click on "consider a gift" |
| 01:18.25 | noda | kergoth: What's the most important thing for openzaurus.org right now? |
| 01:18.30 | noda | kergoth: I feel like putting this TODO in order. |
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| 01:19.15 | randy | hi all |
| 01:19.20 | lsmith | i feel a news page is the most important |
| 01:19.39 | noda | Okay... people? What else? |
| 01:19.45 | kergoth | I happen to think a todo/tracking page is top priority, so people can see what the devs are working on |
| 01:19.49 | kergoth | some sort of task management system |
| 01:19.56 | noda | Okay. |
| 01:19.56 | kergoth | may want to use an existing prebuilt solution for that |
| 01:20.02 | lsmith | oz 3.1 rc1 in the works, feed now in oz.org/official, dont touch unstable because its b0rked |
| 01:20.04 | lsmith | that sort of stuff |
| 01:20.11 | noda | What features does this need? |
| 01:20.32 | kergoth | lsmith: true |
| 01:20.49 | noda | kergoth: I'm held back on this settings thing and it'll probably be a week before I gather the mental momentum necessary to do it. In the meantime someone else can look for tracking systems :P |
| 01:20.56 | kergoth | noda: no prob :) |
| 01:21.06 | noda | kergoth: But what features does it need? :) |
| 01:21.13 | kergoth | noda: hope you get the contract w/ dan |
| 01:21.14 | lsmith | noda: to be honest i think all that is needed for now is a template for news and todo items |
| 01:21.14 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 01:21.16 | cerezu | can anyone tell me what opie-kpacman means when it says "Configuration Error - There are no schemes defined or no scheme is selected." at kpacman startup, any ideas on how to fix it? |
| 01:21.17 | noda | Will it get assigned to admins on openzaurus? :) |
| 01:21.20 | noda | kergoth: Me too, thanks :) |
| 01:21.29 | lsmith | so people can simply cut and paste the template and add their own html code as needed |
| 01:21.35 | noda | news is certainly easy. |
| 01:21.36 | Onyx4 | noda: change you reverse the order of the channgelog? |
| 01:21.41 | Onyx4 | I'd like to get more recent items on top |
| 01:21.46 | noda | lsmith: I don't get this 'template'... |
| 01:22.00 | noda | Onyx4: That'll be part of the settings thing. |
| 01:22.05 | noda | I'll make it default to reverse order :) |
| 01:22.18 | lsmith | basically a basic html layout for news and todo items |
| 01:22.34 | kergoth | lsmith: template systems have been discussed before |
| 01:22.36 | lsmith | you simply re use that template and add the specific content as needed |
| 01:22.38 | kergoth | lsmith: something like that is needed for faqs |
| 01:22.45 | kergoth | lsmith: so that every user doesnt need to know xhtml well |
| 01:22.57 | Onyx4 | noda: cool |
| 01:22.57 | lsmith | what i am talking about is just good old cut and paste .. no real system |
| 01:23.09 | noda | lsmith: I still don't get what you expect to see. You're an admin, you go to the news page and click... where... and where's the template? |
| 01:23.12 | lsmith | fastest to implement :-) |
| 01:23.22 | noda | lsmith: I could implement something in an hour :P |
| 01:23.40 | noda | (well, 2 hours) |
| 01:23.57 | lsmith | you are an admin .. you open an html document cut some html code from an html comments in news.html and add the news, close the file |
| 01:24.14 | noda | lsmith: Are you kidding? Please tell me you're kidding :) |
| 01:24.19 | lsmith | template takes about 5 mins to create, o bugs done |
| 01:24.27 | lsmith | s/o/no |
| 01:24.33 | lsmith | i am not ... |
| 01:24.33 | kergoth | lsmith: totally static? |
| 01:24.35 | kergoth | lsmith: eww! |
| 01:24.37 | noda | lsmith: There are reasons for making a database-driven site. |
| 01:24.40 | kergoth | ~fishslap lsmith |
| 01:24.44 | | ACTION slaps lsmith up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 01:24.44 | *** join/#openzaurus badl (~badl@203-96-130-85.dialup.globe.net.nz) |
| 01:24.49 | noda | And we want all of those reasons :) |
| 01:24.53 | lsmith | yeah if you want to implement a search etc |
| 01:25.00 | kergoth | search matters not |
| 01:25.02 | lsmith | but if the alternative is having nothing |
| 01:25.12 | lsmith | then i think my solution is better |
| 01:25.13 | noda | (though it will be easy to implement search once I finish the filtering thing) |
| 01:25.16 | kergoth | search is only one of the numerous reasons for using database driven pages |
| 01:25.17 | noda | lsmith: I don't :P |
| 01:25.24 | lsmith | you can always add a "system" later |
| 01:25.36 | noda | lsmith: It would be easier to add a hacked-up system. |
| 01:25.38 | lsmith | and write a quick little parser that feeds the static content into the db |
| 01:25.39 | kergoth | lsmith: i dont think you realize what a maintainance nightmare static pages become |
| 01:25.42 | kergoth | noda: exactly |
| 01:25.47 | noda | lsmith: I'm serious, it would take 2 hours to make a news system. |
| 01:26.00 | lsmith | noda: i dont doubt it .. |
| 01:26.09 | noda | kergoth: Yep, I've seen that kind of thing before :) |
| 01:26.17 | lsmith | but the question is when you will spend the 2 hours to do it |
| 01:26.23 | noda | kergoth: lol, hey, they looking for a new site? :P |
| 01:26.24 | kergoth | noda: my maintainance consists of a huge array of perl scripts |
| 01:26.25 | randy | ever tried to change the look of a site with static pages? tain't fun. |
| 01:26.28 | noda | Heh |
| 01:26.38 | kergoth | noda: digi needs one. are they willing to pay? doubt it |
| 01:26.40 | kergoth | noda: cheap bastards |
| 01:26.41 | lsmith | before or after kergoth has spend 10 hours answering the same questions over and over again |
| 01:26.52 | kergoth | randy: did so 6 months ago |
| 01:26.55 | noda | randy: Erm... not our site. Even if our pages were all static the look is easy to change! It's called CSS :P |
| 01:26.56 | kergoth | randy: LOTS of perl scripts |
| 01:27.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:27.07 | randy | me too, kergoth. I hated every minute of it. |
| 01:27.19 | lsmith | dont get me wrong ... i make my living coding php based dynamic websites |
| 01:27.21 | noda | Static pages are a thing of the past. |
| 01:27.22 | randy | but, nobody would listen to me two years ago. |
| 01:27.33 | kergoth | randy: i work in tech suppoort. i regret the day i admitted that i know html |
| 01:27.39 | noda | lsmith: lol, doesn't sound like it :P |
| 01:27.44 | noda | kergoth: lol |
| 01:27.45 | kergoth | randy: keep getting these responsibilities far outside my job description |
| 01:27.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:27.58 | randy | kergoth: you think that's bad... just don't admit you know visual basic. |
| 01:28.02 | kergoth | randy: haha |
| 01:28.05 | noda | kergoth: What, would you rather talk with losers instead? :P |
| 01:28.09 | noda | rofl |
| 01:28.10 | kergoth | randy: i know vb too, i'd NEVER say it at work |
| 01:28.19 | lsmith | i am currently designing a php based website for online flight booking |
| 01:28.26 | cerezu | vb is okay.. but i luv c++ |
| 01:28.31 | kergoth | noda: hehe |
| 01:28.41 | cerezu | when they went .net bah!! |
| 01:28.44 | noda | lsmith: Fun :) |
| 01:28.50 | randy | noda is gonna work on the vb port to oz? |
| 01:28.53 | lsmith | anyways the point is .. dont wait for a news page .. put one up now and add a news system before it becomes a nightmare |
| 01:29.09 | lsmith | noda: especially since we have like 2 months to complete it |
| 01:29.19 | noda | Only serious contract I've had was internal work for my old company... my cousin and I made an INCREDIBLE site, and it cost seriously 10% of any of the contractors we could find. |
| 01:29.24 | noda | (which is good for everybody but us) |
| 01:29.32 | lsmith | a C API to start from (for which we first have to write a php extension wrapper) |
| 01:29.41 | kergoth | noda: good experience and resume fodder tho |
| 01:29.51 | lsmith | oh and did i mention the caching system they want to reduce transaction fees? |
| 01:30.02 | noda | kergoth: Except that the truly awesome part of the site isn't available to the public, it's business-only :( |
| 01:30.02 | cerezu | umm..# ls |
| 01:30.03 | cerezu | ash: getcwd(): No such file or directory |
| 01:30.18 | kergoth | noda: that sucks |
| 01:30.24 | randy | i think i see where lsmith is coming from - if it is gonna take longer than a day or so to come up with some script and a db, do a temp static page.... |
| 01:30.25 | cerezu | hrm..i know what went wrong nvrmind |
| 01:30.30 | noda | Yeah, what do we have to show for it? http://www.densi.com - basically nothing. |
| 01:30.45 | kergoth | cerezu: in a dir that no longer exists? :) |
| 01:30.51 | cerezu | yea.. |
| 01:30.51 | noda | If you're a toner company you can go in there, place orders, track orders, view invoice history, *anything*... and the world will never know :P |
| 01:31.03 | cerezu | figured it out..i was like lol!! |
| 01:31.09 | noda | Fine! I'll make a news system right now! Sheesh, impatient people! |
| 01:31.13 | kergoth | lol |
| 01:31.15 | lsmith | randy: exactly .. noda of you spend the 2 hours in 2 weeks it will actually have taken 2 weeks and 2 hours until oz has a news page :-) |
| 01:31.33 | lsmith | thats all i wanted noda ;-) |
| 01:31.33 | randy | no, not being impatient at all noda. |
| 01:31.43 | noda | lsmith: Yes, but d'ya see... I *personally* don't give a shit :P |
| 01:31.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:32.03 | lsmith | which is all good too |
| 01:32.11 | kergoth | noda: careful, you'll end up being an ass like me if you keep talking like that |
| 01:32.14 | kergoth | noda: :P |
| 01:32.18 | noda | kergoth: Mwahaha :) |
| 01:32.31 | randy | that's not what i think at all. just that getting info out there is sometimes better than waiting the few hours to put that same info out there in a better format. |
| 01:33.17 | randy | sheesh. now i sound like gates. |
| 01:33.21 | noda | This is my first time coding with my new colours scheme... I've gone back to white-on-black :) |
| 01:34.28 | kergoth | randy: very true. i work in tech support, we often have to get data out there for the users, and getting it out there is of *HIGHEST* importance |
| 01:34.28 | randy | noda: i am partial to blue on red. yellow on green looks good too. |
| 01:34.30 | noda | On RED? ICK! |
| 01:34.41 | noda | I can see dark blue being good. |
| 01:34.59 | kergoth | noda: reduces the stark contrast a bit, which can help at times |
| 01:35.08 | lsmith | and i assume this is when you hate that you have mentioned your html skills kergoth? |
| 01:35.17 | kergoth | lsmith: ohh yeah :) |
| 01:35.25 | randy | hehe. |
| 01:35.34 | kergoth | i'd like to revamp our site completely, but 1) its not my job, and 2) dont have the time to do so |
| 01:35.41 | kergoth | cause right now its absolute crap |
| 01:35.43 | kergoth | ah well |
| 01:35.52 | ljp | I like to code using black on black.. it makes things more interesting |
| 01:36.09 | noda | lol |
| 01:36.16 | noda | No WONDER op2 crashes so much! :P |
| 01:36.20 | randy | yeah, make em have to highlight all the text to see what it says |
| 01:36.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:36.38 | Dessimat0r | If you want a nice site... forget CSS ;) Use XHTML |
| 01:36.40 | randy | nothing like obfuscation! |
| 01:36.43 | Dessimat0r | In my opinion :P |
| 01:36.44 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 01:36.50 | noda | Dessimat0r: Erm. I don't understand you at all. |
| 01:36.54 | noda | Dessimat0r: They are complimentary. |
| 01:37.00 | ljp | op2 doesnt crash |
| 01:37.00 | noda | (You're supposed to use both) |
| 01:37.04 | noda | ljp: It used to :) |
| 01:37.17 | ljp | thats xines fault :) |
| 01:37.22 | noda | lol |
| 01:37.24 | lsmith | you mean cash ... you dont get cash for it |
| 01:37.25 | noda | Suuuuuuure :) |
| 01:37.26 | kergoth | noda: apparently he likes structure and style all in one big pile |
| 01:37.35 | noda | Ick :) |
| 01:37.48 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 01:38.03 | ljp | well, op1 doesnt crash, and up till tronical redid op2, they used basically the same gui |
| 01:38.12 | lsmith | tell me about it .. i have to maintain a bunch of scripts that where written in 1998 |
| 01:38.22 | lsmith | and they havent done any major changes since then |
| 01:38.29 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 01:38.32 | lsmith | html nostalgia |
| 01:38.35 | ljp | who maintains that kergoth script? |
| 01:38.37 | randy | heheheh |
| 01:38.40 | lsmith | its like a museum |
| 01:38.50 | *** join/#openzaurus Cloudchaser_ (~Cloudchas@ool-182dc5d1.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 01:38.52 | randy | anyone need any punch cards? |
| 01:38.55 | kergoth | hey Cloudchaser_ |
| 01:39.02 | Cloudchaser_ | hey guys |
| 01:39.07 | Cloudchaser_ | i have a serious problem here |
| 01:39.17 | Cloudchaser_ | i was playhing a game in windows on my laptop |
| 01:39.23 | Cloudchaser_ | my screen started freaking out |
| 01:39.29 | Cloudchaser_ | so i tried to restart |
| 01:39.41 | Cloudchaser_ | and now...i get a message saying "ready for a bios update |
| 01:39.44 | kergoth | i hate conversations that begin, hi, i have a serious problem |
| 01:39.50 | lsmith | ouch |
| 01:39.53 | Cloudchaser_ | put in the diskette' |
| 01:39.58 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:40.00 | kergoth | thats bad |
| 01:40.03 | randy | ouch |
| 01:40.06 | Cloudchaser_ | what happend? |
| 01:40.14 | Dessimat0r | Troj0r the almighty has you in his grasp |
| 01:40.16 | Dessimat0r | ? |
| 01:40.24 | ljp | sounds like windows wrote to youbios |
| 01:40.29 | lsmith | someone wants to rewrite your bios |
| 01:40.30 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: i hate that. |
| 01:40.34 | lsmith | or has written |
| 01:40.35 | Cloudchaser_ | i got hacked? |
| 01:40.41 | ljp | not necessarily |
| 01:40.51 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: id say a virus is more likely than a hack, ut not necessarily either |
| 01:40.54 | ljp | windows sometimes writes to the bios |
| 01:40.57 | kergoth | s/ut/but/ |
| 01:41.05 | lsmith | i would get a clean disk |
| 01:41.08 | lsmith | with a virus scanner |
| 01:41.13 | kergoth | what? windows writes to nvram, not the bios directly.. |
| 01:41.17 | Dessimat0r | ljp: Windows never writes to the BIOS |
| 01:41.17 | kergoth | lsmith: exactly |
| 01:41.22 | ljp | yes it does |
| 01:41.34 | kergoth | eh? |
| 01:41.41 | lsmith | you can get a free dos based virus scanner from the f-prot site |
| 01:41.42 | kergoth | ibot: crack |
| 01:41.44 | | ACTION thinks the party is getting out of hand |
| 01:41.49 | lsmith | if you dont have anything else |
| 01:41.50 | ljp | heh |
| 01:41.50 | Dessimat0r | ljp: So it rewrites it all the time, is what you're saying? |
| 01:41.53 | lsmith | that might help |
| 01:41.59 | randy | bios calls, maybe... not directly |
| 01:42.13 | ljp | I dunno |
| 01:42.37 | Dessimat0r | bios calls? It writes to the cmos, not the bios. |
| 01:42.43 | ljp | thats what I have heard |
| 01:42.50 | kergoth | a bios call isnt a write.. |
| 01:42.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:43.06 | kergoth | hahahahahahahah |
| 01:43.10 | kergoth | Starting Opie.... |
| 01:43.16 | kergoth | Segmentation faultt |
| 01:43.19 | noda | kergoth: ooh! |
| 01:43.20 | noda | ... |
| 01:43.24 | noda | kergoth: ! |
| 01:43.35 | kergoth | time to rebuild from scratch |
| 01:43.38 | noda | Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! This release will NEVER be done :( |
| 01:43.39 | Dessimat0r | the only way for it to write to the bios is through the bios access chip on the mobo, there is no way to write a part of it, it has to be fully rewritten |
| 01:43.49 | Cloudchaser_ | its a laptop |
| 01:43.50 | Dessimat0r | do you realise how much that would compromise the system? |
| 01:43.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:43.51 | randy | good things come to those who wait |
| 01:44.01 | Dessimat0r | if the pc suddenly rebooted? ;) |
| 01:44.08 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: exactly |
| 01:44.08 | Dessimat0r | while it was writing |
| 01:44.24 | Dessimat0r | M$ ain't that stupid ;) There is no reason to write to the BIOS. |
| 01:44.46 | ||ugh | Noda, but when it ships we will have made it a GOOD release (I am HELL on software...). |
| 01:44.57 | randy | i have a theory: possible the flash chip for the bios is going bad |
| 01:45.09 | Dessimat0r | randy: it will not got bad from reading it |
| 01:45.11 | noda | I'd rather be able to boot my Z now. I don't want to have to flash to something else :( |
| 01:45.18 | randy | true Dessimat0r |
| 01:45.22 | Dessimat0r | randy: it has a limited number of writes, tho |
| 01:45.24 | ljp | I've had windows fark a cmos |
| 01:45.29 | kergoth | noda: grab 3.0 |
| 01:45.44 | kergoth | the only time i've ever had a bios go bad is a failed attempted bios update |
| 01:45.46 | kergoth | thats it |
| 01:45.46 | noda | But then I'm going to flash back after... |
| 01:45.51 | randy | how old is this laptop? |
| 01:45.51 | kergoth | i need that bios saver complex told me about |
| 01:45.55 | kergoth | which was fucking cool |
| 01:45.59 | Dessimat0r | randy: unless you've done about 1,000 bios updates, you won't see corruption of the BIOS ;) |
| 01:46.23 | randy | not neccessarily, Dessimat0r. If the chip was bad to begin with it is possible it is failing |
| 01:46.35 | lsmith | actually my first bios update went bad :-/ |
| 01:46.39 | lsmith | boy did that suck |
| 01:46.41 | randy | sure, it may work for a while, but then suddenly you let all the smoke out of it |
| 01:46.48 | lsmith | 2 weeks without a computer |
| 01:46.58 | randy | lsmith: how did you live? |
| 01:47.06 | lsmith | while i was living in nowhere land in florida |
| 01:47.10 | lsmith | its was hell |
| 01:47.13 | Dessimat0r | my God, without a PC ;) |
| 01:47.23 | kergoth | i need to go camping next year |
| 01:47.26 | kergoth | for weeks |
| 01:47.30 | kergoth | with no electronics |
| 01:47.34 | Dessimat0r | lsmith: did you not rewrite the bios after it said it had failed? |
| 01:47.38 | randy | kergoth: bet you can't do it. |
| 01:47.41 | EditorGarfield | kergoth: pervert |
| 01:47.48 | kergoth | randy: have done it before, its a nice break |
| 01:47.49 | Dessimat0r | it usually gives you another chance to do so in awdflash.exe, or whatever |
| 01:47.51 | kergoth | EditorGarfield: lol |
| 01:48.00 | lsmith | the system was total fucked .. i had to send in the mobo |
| 01:48.10 | kergoth | i just ordered a new bios chip |
| 01:48.14 | kergoth | the wait was annoyign tho |
| 01:48.15 | lsmith | the local shop did not have a bios writer for the bios chip |
| 01:48.18 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 01:48.23 | Dessimat0r | prise one out of an old mobo ;) |
| 01:48.28 | lsmith | and the mobo maker wouldnt send a new bois chip |
| 01:48.29 | Dessimat0r | I have dozens lying around |
| 01:48.36 | kergoth | lsmith: that sucks |
| 01:48.37 | lsmith | i even worked at that local computer shop |
| 01:48.59 | ljp | cloudy: you can try to reset the cmos |
| 01:49.00 | lsmith | so i had to sell computers all day .. not having one of my own at home |
| 01:49.53 | lsmith | anyways night ... gotta code tomorrow ... stupid jan 1st deadline .. |
| 01:49.55 | lsmith | lala |
| 01:50.17 | Dessimat0r | if the update thing came up on the bios, it is likely that there is some sort of update program running |
| 01:50.18 | kergoth | night lsmith |
| 01:50.23 | Dessimat0r | to automatically update outdated crap |
| 01:50.26 | randy | my puter blew up last year from a lightning strike when i was on vacation. when i declared it toast i drug out my ZX-81 |
| 01:50.31 | Dessimat0r | and that it also checks the bios version, etc |
| 01:51.23 | cerezu | whats the size of the zaurus screen? |
| 01:51.39 | Dessimat0r | 240x320 |
| 01:51.43 | cerezu | thanks |
| 01:51.46 | Dessimat0r | np ;) |
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| 01:51.53 | ljp | depends on how close you look at it |
| 01:51.59 | *** part/#openzaurus joshsm (~joshsm@65-85-255-194.client.dsl.net) |
| 01:51.59 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 01:52.19 | randy | You could get one of those fresnel lenses for it... have a 52" zaurus! |
| 01:52.45 | ljp | hehe |
| 01:53.32 | randy | lemme ask this: how wrong is it to run distributed.net client on a handheld? |
| 01:53.54 | Dessimat0r | bah, if only the zaurus had a USB connector on it, and you could plug mice into it, etc ;) |
| 01:54.11 | randy | true Dessimat0r... |
| 01:54.18 | Davv | randy: how long do you want your battery to last between charges? |
| 01:54.19 | kergoth | randy: itll drain battery like a motherfucker |
| 01:54.23 | kergoth | Davv: hehe |
| 01:54.26 | randy | heheheh |
| 01:54.42 | Dessimat0r | a keyboard wouldn't necessarily drain the batteries ;) |
| 01:54.47 | randy | I have it dropping into pause when on batt power |
| 01:54.47 | kergoth | ? |
| 01:54.52 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: we werent talking to you |
| 01:55.02 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: were talking about his use of a distributed.net client |
| 01:55.06 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 01:55.10 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 01:55.12 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: (sharing your cpu with someone else, tends to run your cpu at 100%) |
| 01:55.25 | Dessimat0r | hah, i see |
| 01:55.31 | randy | Dessimat0r: what if ya did it over ip? do it with gpsd, so why not mousenetd? |
| 01:56.10 | Dessimat0r | dunno about this, lol, i was talking about having no usb host connector on the Zaurus |
| 01:56.12 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 01:56.33 | randy | Dessimat0r: i know. just tryin to figger out how to use a mouse on it now |
| 01:56.47 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 01:57.24 | randy | well, aman is talking about doing a keyboard over serial, so guess he needs to put in a mouse also |
| 01:57.35 | kergoth | heh, for what? |
| 01:58.54 | Cloudchaser_ | i can't boot it at all |
| 01:59.05 | Cloudchaser_ | soon as i turn it on that bios update screen comes on |
| 01:59.39 | randy | Cloudchaser_: do you have a bios disk? |
| 01:59.57 | Cloudchaser_ | i'm gonna make one if i dont find the one i updated a co uple months ago |
| 02:00.33 | ljp | rip opne that laptop and reset the cmos |
| 02:00.37 | ljp | open |
| 02:00.42 | randy | there ya go |
| 02:01.02 | cerezu | can oz/opie run qpe/qtopia apps? |
| 02:01.07 | ljp | try anyway |
| 02:01.16 | ljp | yes cerezu |
| 02:01.34 | cerezu | it can? |
| 02:02.10 | Onyx4 | what provides this |
| 02:02.12 | Onyx4 | /home/clambert/oz/buildroot/build/zuc-1.1/zuc.cpp:60: undefined reference to `unitHistMenu::unitHistMenu(QWidget *, char const *)' |
| 02:03.08 | Onyx4 | nm |
| 02:03.33 | cerezu | qt is pretty tight. |
| 02:03.49 | cerezu | at least its portable! lol..unlike a lot of other things. |
| 02:04.48 | Dessimat0r | Cloudchaser_: is the bios update thing from the bios or an external program? (i.e. goes past POST sequence, loads something) |
| 02:04.57 | Dessimat0r | the bootloader of your disk could have been rewritten |
| 02:05.10 | Cloudchaser_ | how? |
| 02:05.23 | Cloudchaser_ | it doesn't do post |
| 02:05.35 | Cloudchaser_ | turn it on and it goes right to the update bios screen |
| 02:05.55 | Dessimat0r | ah, so its in the bios then.. I've never seen a BIOS update thing from within a bios before ;) |
| 02:06.20 | Cloudchaser_ | how did it happen though? i was playing a damn game! |
| 02:06.41 | cerezu | trying to run a cramfs, but i keep getting this: ld: error while loading shared libraries: libbfd-2.9.5.0.14.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:07.00 | ljp | windows keeps its hands where they dont belong |
| 02:07.11 | ljp | or you got a virus |
| 02:07.14 | Dessimat0r | Cloudchaser_: As I said, probably an auto-update thing, or a trojan. It looks like its wiped your bios. |
| 02:07.33 | ljp | I would try resetting it |
| 02:07.33 | Dessimat0r | not a trojan, actually, a normal virus |
| 02:07.47 | Dessimat0r | yeah, reset it |
| 02:07.50 | Dessimat0r | it won't do any harm |
| 02:07.53 | aman | kergoth here? |
| 02:07.58 | ljp | send your laptop to me, I'll fix it |
| 02:08.01 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:08.01 | ljp | :D |
| 02:08.04 | randy | he's watchin tv aman |
| 02:08.08 | Cloudchaser_ | there is a virus that does that? |
| 02:08.18 | randy | Cloudchaser_: yep |
| 02:08.20 | Dessimat0r | there are tons of viruses that do it |
| 02:08.31 | Dessimat0r | countless |
| 02:08.44 | ljp | where did you get that game? |
| 02:08.53 | Cloudchaser_ | its not the game... |
| 02:09.05 | ljp | I thought you were playing a game |
| 02:09.06 | Cloudchaser_ | maybe stupid email virus |
| 02:09.08 | Cloudchaser_ | i was |
| 02:09.13 | Dessimat0r | I mean, all it takes is a bit of assembler in an executable to wipe a bios. |
| 02:09.14 | Cloudchaser_ | i've been playing it for 5 years |
| 02:09.22 | ljp | oh |
| 02:10.24 | randy | i got a zaurus question: is it just me or are there a lot of install packages that don't install? I tried to install nethack (from their site) and it craps out on me. |
| 02:10.25 | Dessimat0r | CHERNOBYL virus was the first virus that |
| 02:10.25 | Dessimat0r | actually tried to destroy computer hardware by wiping the BIOS |
| 02:10.49 | Dessimat0r | got that off a site |
| 02:10.57 | Dessimat0r | dosen't destroy hardware at all ;) |
| 02:11.14 | Dessimat0r | but at least it says that it wipes the BIOS |
| 02:11.47 | Dessimat0r | http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-99-03.html |
| 02:11.59 | Dessimat0r | the CIH virus is extremely common |
| 02:13.11 | ljp | man, I need a girlfriend, I am getting sick of frozen pizza... kinda |
| 02:13.20 | Onyx4 | kergoth`tv: im done patching my stuff , so I'll push my changes, they should be not really disruptive, only thing you might have to do is re-run the qte and opie staging install to copy the right stuff, then everything will follow |
| 02:14.39 | randy | ljp: don't do it. move away from the light... move away from the light.... |
| 02:14.47 | ljp | hehehe |
| 02:14.55 | ljp | not light.. boobs! |
| 02:15.09 | randy | heheheh |
| 02:15.23 | ljp | I just got a christmas card... from Discover card! balah! |
| 02:15.28 | noda | Done my news system! Now to create the database table and see if it all works :) |
| 02:15.31 | randy | HAHAHAHAH! |
| 02:15.44 | randy | damn, noda! |
| 02:15.52 | noda | How long was that? Did anyone time me? :) |
| 02:15.57 | randy | lemme look |
| 02:16.22 | randy | you last spoke at 19:43 |
| 02:16.24 | ljp | no |
| 02:16.31 | randy | it is now 20:21 |
| 02:16.35 | randy | when you spoke again |
| 02:16.40 | randy | so, 30 minutes or so |
| 02:16.50 | randy | not bad, dude |
| 02:16.52 | noda | Erm. Wow. |
| 02:16.54 | noda | Let's see if it works. |
| 02:17.08 | Onyx4 | ibot: botmail for kergoth: ok with my latest bk pull, kismet-qt , zuc and zipsc compiles |
| 02:17.09 | noda | "The requested URL /oz was not found on this server." - whoops :) |
| 02:17.15 | randy | doh! |
| 02:17.26 | noda | Ah, broken symlink from when I moved my partitions everywhere :) |
| 02:17.53 | Onyx4 | allright im off for the night... I pushed my changes |
| 02:18.12 | randy | cool Onyx4 |
| 02:18.22 | Dessimat0r | cu Onyx4 |
| 02:18.40 | Cloudchaser_ | holy shit the damn thing just booted up with no problems |
| 02:18.51 | randy | yay, cloud! |
| 02:19.10 | randy | now, before you go any further, go get avg from grisoft.com |
| 02:19.50 | Cloudchaser_ | i booted to linux |
| 02:19.54 | ljp | ha! |
| 02:20.00 | Cloudchaser_ | i only use windows to play |
| 02:20.05 | Cloudchaser_ | once a week or so |
| 02:20.08 | noda | Duh, missing a pretty vital function :) |
| 02:20.11 | ljp | still get a virus checker |
| 02:20.15 | Cloudchaser_ | is there windows anti virus? |
| 02:20.22 | Cloudchaser_ | i mean is there linux anti? |
| 02:20.26 | randy | noda: that was only 5 more minutes |
| 02:20.40 | randy | still a good record |
| 02:20.43 | ljp | cloudy: I believe so. but I am not sure |
| 02:20.57 | randy | there is for mail, but not sure about anything else, Cloudchaser_ |
| 02:20.58 | Cloudchaser_ | ok. i'll try to boot to windows and get that antivirus |
| 02:21.07 | Cloudchaser_ | just to see |
| 02:21.15 | ljp | I think theres apps on linux that scan windows partitions |
| 02:21.26 | randy | cloud, you on a network with the laptop? |
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| 02:21.35 | ljp | as long as its not NTFS |
| 02:22.22 | noda | Ooh, think I'm done :) |
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| 02:22.32 | Cloudchaser_ | i'm on netowrk |
| 02:22.36 | Cloudchaser_ | its not ntfs |
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| 02:22.58 | Cloudchaser_ | well i was on network.. pulled the con when i had the trouble |
| 02:23.17 | randy | cloud : go get the file now and save it to the windows partition. that way you dont run the risk of it running again while you are trying to get it through windows |
| 02:23.38 | randy | might as well minimize it as much as you can |
| 02:23.40 | Cloudchaser_ | ok i'll do that from linux and save to the windows part |
| 02:23.46 | Cloudchaser_ | its mounted |
| 02:26.22 | randy | Tux the albino penguin: http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/animals/newsid_2573000/2573695.stm |
| 02:26.57 | aman | hello? |
| 02:27.05 | randy | hi aman |
| 02:29.34 | cerezu | for some reason i'm having trouble finding the zaurus group on sourceforge |
| 02:30.08 | randy | oz? |
| 02:30.20 | randy | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net |
| 02:30.30 | Dessimat0r | randy: there is a WinCIH cleaner, try that ;) |
| 02:30.36 | noda | group_id is 43045 |
| 02:30.40 | Dessimat0r | foe windows |
| 02:30.54 | Dessimat0r | http://www.rocketdownload.com/Details/Inte/3873.htm |
| 02:31.08 | cerezu | wasnt looking for that site, i cant find the zaurus group on sf |
| 02:31.34 | Dessimat0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.14 | Cloudchaser_ | what?? |
| 02:32.17 | noda | Done! News system is cool. Now to make a nice thing for the users. |
| 02:32.25 | randy | cerezu: you mean the other zaurus project? I think sf took it off, from some stuff i read the other day. think it is all on zaurus.com now |
| 02:32.35 | Dessimat0r | http://www.rocketdownload.com/Details/Inte/3873.htm |
| 02:32.42 | Cloudchaser_ | ok looking |
| 02:33.08 | Dessimat0r | other sites mention that the CIH virus wipes the BIOS |
| 02:33.15 | Cloudchaser_ | this monday isn't the 26th |
| 02:33.19 | Dessimat0r | i know |
| 02:33.23 | Dessimat0r | thats what the site says ;) |
| 02:33.34 | randy | cerezu: sharp seems to be trying to get all the development stuff on their site now. |
| 02:34.21 | randy | Dessimat0r: but that is assuming too that it is the cih virus. could be something else. |
| 02:34.37 | randy | Cloudchaser_: still best to run avg on it |
| 02:35.35 | Dessimat0r | randy: could be, but WinCIH is extremely common ;) |
| 02:36.24 | randy | true. but looking for just cih when you don't know exactly what it is is not a good idea either. |
| 02:36.26 | Dessimat0r | randy: Half Life players were even complaining to Valve that Half Life wouldn't run - it was due to the WinCiH infecting their exe |
| 02:36.48 | randy | Dessimat0r: that's why i play it on the PS2 |
| 02:36.48 | randy | :) |
| 02:36.53 | Dessimat0r | so many, in fact, that they put it in the readme that comes with the game |
| 02:36.59 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 02:37.28 | randy | but man, that game freaks me out. all those things jumpin out at ya.... |
| 02:37.38 | ljp | mars needs rum! |
| 02:38.42 | Dessimat0r | ljp: mars needs women first ;) |
| 02:39.07 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:39.29 | randy | ljp needs them before mars so he does not have to eat frozen pizza |
| 02:39.39 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:39.48 | ljp | mars needs waitresses serving rum! |
| 02:40.07 | Dessimat0r | mmm |
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| 02:47.19 | noda | Totally done news :) |
| 02:47.26 | randy | yay! |
| 02:50.21 | noda | Yay, news system is on openzaurus.org :) |
| 02:50.57 | randy | cool :) |
| 02:52.19 | chouimat | noda: good |
| 02:52.22 | Karlyn | nice needs some news though ;) |
| 02:52.31 | Karlyn | j/k :) |
| 02:52.42 | noda | lol, yep :) |
| 02:52.56 | noda | Currently it'll only display 5 news items, with no way to change this. |
| 02:53.08 | noda | And the admin news page will get messier and messier ;) |
| 02:53.38 | Karlyn | At least there'll be some news items for people too see |
| 02:53.41 | Karlyn | A nice addition |
| 02:54.23 | noda | There we go, news :) |
| 02:55.05 | noda | Wow. it's 10:00 and I haven't had lunch yet. |
| 02:55.07 | kergoth`tv | ljp: my house needs waitresses serving rum first |
| 02:55.18 | Dessimat0r | can it handle \s? |
| 02:55.19 | noda | Who likes my lovely new news? :) |
| 02:55.24 | Dessimat0r | and 's |
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| 02:55.41 | randy | cool, noda! |
| 02:55.43 | randy | looks good |
| 02:56.00 | noda | Make sure you 'Refresh' on your browser if you've got a little square and icky fonts. |
| 02:56.06 | noda | (the sytlesheet changed) |
| 02:56.12 | Karlyn | lol, thats a good one noda ;) |
| 02:56.16 | noda | I'm sure tmm1 will want to play with the stylesheet too... well, that's his thing :P |
| 02:56.27 | randy | it's purdy |
| 02:56.31 | kergoth`tv | noda: nice work. |
| 02:56.35 | noda | kergoth`tv: Fanks :) |
| 02:56.59 | chouimat | hmmmm! my cat had just eat my homemade jerkies |
| 02:57.01 | ljp | wwwwwaaaaaaa |
| 02:57.05 | kergoth`tv | noda: that sucks. |
| 02:57.31 | noda | Yeah, then again I was gonna break my word to go to a LAN party, the host was quite hurt... |
| 02:57.32 | kergoth`tv | noda: told her yet? :P |
| 02:57.35 | ljp | I got my girl right here.. she's all fuzzy and black and white and purrrs |
| 02:57.38 | noda | kergoth`tv: Guess :P |
| 02:57.42 | noda | ljp: Awwww, how cute :) |
| 02:57.45 | kergoth`tv | noda: bah |
| 02:57.51 | noda | ljp: I dread to think of what you do to her at night. |
| 02:57.55 | ljp | try that with Girl! |
| 02:58.00 | chouimat | kergoth`tv: and now he drinking his water :) |
| 02:58.09 | kergoth`tv | hehe |
| 02:58.11 | ljp | heh she sleeps at my stomache, or on my neck |
| 02:58.25 | chouimat | kergoth`tv: very spicy :) |
| 02:58.28 | kergoth`tv | my cat dares not sleep on me, or she'll get crushed. i roll alot |
| 02:58.39 | noda | Food. Later. |
| 02:58.45 | chouimat | kergoth`tv: mine sleep on my spare pillow |
| 02:58.46 | kergoth`tv | hm. k. |
| 02:59.00 | kergoth`tv | mine picks a random place on the bed, somewhere not near my feet generally |
| 02:59.02 | kergoth`tv | :) |
| 02:59.02 | Dessimat0r | http://www.gummiclan.com/gib/nbm/index.htm |
| 03:00.10 | ljp | but she is getting in the habit of sleeping in her own romm |
| 03:00.17 | ljp | room |
| 03:00.33 | kergoth`tv | she has a room? |
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| 03:00.54 | ljp | well, the spare bedroom, yes |
| 03:01.06 | ljp | there's a cat nest on the bed |
| 03:01.10 | cerezu | got a big question, i just rebooted the zaurus, and when it comes back, it went to console zaurus login: and when i try to start opie it says Starting opie with syslog logging..... and never starts |
| 03:01.21 | ljp | all my cats have slept in the exact same spot there |
| 03:01.26 | kergoth`tv | cerezu: logread |
| 03:01.49 | chouimat | ljp: mine sleep behind the couch or near me |
| 03:02.01 | Dessimat0r | cerezu: I had that, i needed libpng3, or something |
| 03:02.09 | cerezu | whats wrong? |
| 03:02.12 | kergoth`tv | yeah, libpng3 is required for libqte now |
| 03:02.33 | cerezu | so i install libpng3 and thats it? |
| 03:02.40 | kergoth`tv | cerezu: i just told you |
| 03:02.43 | kergoth`tv | cerezu: run *logread* |
| 03:02.53 | cerezu | i did |
| 03:02.55 | kergoth`tv | cerezu: opie sends its messages to syslog when its running |
| 03:02.58 | kergoth`tv | and? |
| 03:03.06 | kergoth`tv | how about pasting the error? |
| 03:03.11 | Dessimat0r | ipkg status libpng3 ? (to see if it is installed) |
| 03:03.12 | cerezu | cannot open securetty file |
| 03:03.21 | kergoth`tv | cerezu: thats not the error. |
| 03:03.28 | kergoth`tv | cerezu: look for messages from opie |
| 03:03.33 | kergoth`tv | cerezu: bottom of the logread output |
| 03:03.38 | cerezu | a whole bunch of netproto_ errors |
| 03:03.51 | kergoth`tv | again, thats kernel |
| 03:03.58 | kergoth`tv | look for *opie* messages |
| 03:04.14 | kergoth`tv | messages about an ethernet interface are decidedly not from opie |
| 03:05.01 | cerezu | looking |
| 03:05.32 | kergoth`tv | k |
| 03:06.35 | cerezu | nothing about opie |
| 03:07.10 | cerezu | at the bottom of the logread output cannot open securetty file, root login on tty1 and PRMG is not seeded |
| 03:07.28 | cerezu | and above securetty file a bunch of netproto_errors |
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| 03:16.41 | cerezu | i cant figure this out.. |
| 03:16.41 | cerezu | sigh |
| 03:20.43 | cerezu | ipkg_conf_init: Failed to create temporary directory '(null)': No such file or directory |
| 03:20.56 | cerezu | when i tried to do ipkg status libpng3 |
| 03:21.22 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 03:25.10 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 03:25.30 | cerezu | Dessimat0r any help? |
| 03:26.22 | Dessimat0r | hmm |
| 03:26.52 | Dessimat0r | backup all your data through SSH |
| 03:26.54 | Dessimat0r | and reflash |
| 03:26.56 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 03:27.00 | cerezu | its not saying anything about opie in logread, and if i try to run ipkg status libpng3 it says ipkg_conf_init: Failed to create temporary directory '(null)': No such file or directory |
| 03:27.10 | cerezu | yeah, but whats causing the error, it does it like every time.. |
| 03:27.48 | Dessimat0r | failed to create implies that the flash is full, but then it says it is trying to create a dir with no name |
| 03:27.50 | randy | bbl |
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| 03:28.03 | Dessimat0r | or the user does nto have the correct permissions? |
| 03:28.07 | Dessimat0r | i really don't know ;) |
| 03:28.17 | hardwire | mmmm |
| 03:28.25 | cerezu | and i cant backup all my data through ssh, usbd0 isnt working |
| 03:28.33 | Dessimat0r | got a CF card? |
| 03:28.39 | cerezu | was working before i reboot and it should be working, but its complaining about ipv6 |
| 03:29.09 | Dessimat0r | ipv6? |
| 03:29.17 | Dessimat0r | Does it install that by default? |
| 03:29.21 | Dessimat0r | support for it |
| 03:29.33 | cerezu | yes |
| 03:30.15 | Dessimat0r | can you chedk how much free space is in jffs2? |
| 03:30.16 | cerezu | and this is the exact error that i was talking about earlier where opie wont start after i turn it off or reboot..after either killing a process or perhaps removing a package |
| 03:30.17 | Dessimat0r | check |
| 03:30.36 | cerezu | jffs2? |
| 03:30.45 | Dessimat0r | yup, / |
| 03:30.48 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 03:31.20 | cerezu | oh heh..yea i have 2196 free |
| 03:31.24 | cerezu | 85% used |
| 03:31.41 | Dessimat0r | ah, thats plenty ;) |
| 03:32.09 | cerezu | ?? |
| 03:32.22 | Dessimat0r | 2196 is plenty of space free on / |
| 03:32.40 | cerezu | yea..but does that explain why its giving me errors lol |
| 03:32.57 | Dessimat0r | might have done ;) it gets strange with no space available |
| 03:33.06 | Dessimat0r | especially with the status file |
| 03:33.34 | aman | yo |
| 03:34.00 | Dessimat0r | lo |
| 03:34.50 | cerezu | hrm..another error |
| 03:35.05 | cerezu | when i try running any application or some it says cannot create qt/embedded data directory: /tmp/whatever |
| 03:36.24 | Dessimat0r | strange |
| 03:36.34 | cerezu | there was no /var/tmp directory |
| 03:36.43 | cerezu | i created it.. |
| 03:36.50 | cerezu | but opie still doesnt work, but those apps work |
| 03:36.52 | cerezu | ..weird |
| 03:37.25 | cerezu | confusing |
| 03:37.47 | aman | what happen to kergoth |
| 03:37.53 | cerezu | tv |
| 03:38.32 | cerezu | i get so tired of oz sometimes..heh..or opie lol.. i just hate reflashing it after this stupid error everytime..sigh |
| 03:39.42 | aman | so, no rc1? |
| 03:40.41 | cerezu | shrug..rc1 would be kinda tight..but that also means bugs..heh |
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| 03:54.45 | aman | soooo |
| 03:54.58 | aman | should i release unofficial rc1 |
| 03:55.27 | ljp | dunno, doe sit work? |
| 03:55.37 | aman | dunno |
| 03:55.43 | aman | someone test it |
| 03:56.31 | ljp | you test it |
| 03:58.26 | Dessimat0r | zz |
| 04:03.54 | aman | i cant test |
| 04:09.06 | ljp | why? |
| 04:09.34 | Karlyn | heck I'd test it if I knew how to download the zimage and rom image :) |
| 04:09.35 | *** join/#openzaurus guised (guised@S64-216.DATANET.NYU.EDU) |
| 04:13.31 | cerezu | ibot cvs |
| 04:13.33 | | methinks cvs is Concurrent Versions System and is at http://www.handhelds.org/sources.html or at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ and at http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/03/cvs_intro.html and http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/17/cvsadmin.html and http://www.red-bean.com/cvsbook/ |
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| 04:13.56 | aman | hmm |
| 04:14.20 | Karlyn | would love to talk to ibot, but I'm a noobe with irc and don't really know how to talk to 'em :( |
| 04:14.51 | Karlyn | duh |
| 04:16.25 | aman | heh |
| 04:16.35 | Karlyn | ibot xcompile |
| 04:16.37 | aman | so you'll test? |
| 04:17.01 | Karlyn | I'm willing lets put it that way |
| 04:17.19 | Karlyn | My z has everything backed up, so a reflash is no biggie |
| 04:18.19 | aman | k |
| 04:18.20 | aman | good |
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| 04:18.28 | aman | lemme build an image |
| 04:19.44 | Karlyn | sounds good :) |
| 04:36.26 | cerezu | is libvncserver the vnc server? |
| 04:36.36 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 04:36.39 | Cloudchaser | its for dev |
| 04:37.08 | Dessimat0r | ibvncserver = the vnc server library ;) |
| 04:37.21 | Dessimat0r | gah |
| 04:37.23 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 04:37.23 | Dessimat0r | so late |
| 04:37.24 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 04:37.26 | Cloudchaser | you don't need it to run vnc server though |
| 04:37.30 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 04:37.44 | cerezu | where do i get the vnc server? |
| 04:37.56 | Cloudchaser | was on the unstable feed |
| 04:38.01 | Cloudchaser | not sure where it is now |
| 04:38.48 | cerezu | whats it called? |
| 04:39.10 | Cloudchaser | maybe fnbvncserver? |
| 04:39.54 | aman | kergoth ?? |
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| 04:43.34 | noda | Moo! |
| 04:44.30 | aman | hey |
| 04:44.34 | aman | test this: |
| 04:45.07 | noda | ? |
| 04:45.23 | aman | www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/unstable/flash/initrd.bin |
| 04:45.28 | Karlyn | aman: you got it? |
| 04:45.31 | aman | not you noda |
| 04:45.51 | aman | karlyn yep, zimage and initrd in that dir |
| 04:45.54 | noda | Oh. Mind if I test it anyway? My Z is dead right now so I might as well do *soemething* :) |
| 04:46.03 | aman | noda sure |
| 04:46.12 | noda | aman: That's a mother of a connection you've got there btw :) |
| 04:46.15 | Karlyn | downloading |
| 04:46.18 | Karlyn | thanks :) |
| 04:46.23 | noda | 370kb/sec |
| 04:46.30 | aman | heh |
| 04:46.40 | aman | noda 45mbit |
| 04:46.43 | cerezu | another question..i got it workin, but its not letting me put any input to the vncserver? |
| 04:46.45 | noda | Sweet. |
| 04:47.09 | aman | cerezu you gotta calibrate it |
| 04:47.23 | cerezu | how? |
| 04:50.27 | aman | someone tell him how to calibrate |
| 04:50.27 | aman | and someone add an faq about it |
| 04:50.41 | noda | Just go to Settings -> Recalibrate... |
| 04:50.57 | noda | ? |
| 04:51.06 | aman | no |
| 04:51.24 | aman | gotta do funky stuff on first reboot |
| 04:51.46 | aman | cerezu check the oz forum on zauruszone.org |
| 04:52.09 | cerezu | k |
| 04:52.13 | cerezu | http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=107 |
| 04:52.21 | cerezu | says some weird shit |
| 04:53.25 | aman | yea |
| 04:53.27 | aman | do that |
| 04:53.51 | noda | aman: Btw, did you check out the 'news'? I figured you might want to play with the style for that, but it's working and it's nice. Done in under 2 hours :) |
| 04:53.57 | *** part/#openzaurus joshsm (~joshsm@dhcp024-210-090-241.columbus.rr.com) |
| 04:53.58 | noda | openzaurus.org/content/news |
| 04:55.16 | cerezu | hrm ok |
| 04:55.33 | aman | noda impessive |
| 04:55.35 | aman | very |
| 04:56.04 | aman | dont have gecko around to look at style |
| 04:56.31 | noda | :) |
| 04:56.41 | noda | Well, it's all in a UL.news, so it's easy to edit in the stylesheet. |
| 04:56.47 | aman | yep |
| 04:57.00 | aman | lsmith here? |
| 04:57.25 | aman | karlyn flashed? |
| 04:57.58 | Karlyn | Hehe, still downloading initrd.bin slowed down a bit :) |
| 04:58.01 | aman | tell me if 1) calibration works 2) opie keyboard/multikey show up |
| 04:58.11 | aman | hehe alright |
| 04:58.19 | Karlyn | Will do |
| 04:58.19 | noda | aman: Do we have to use the zImage in that dir? I'm using the zImage for 3.1rc1, and Opie dies with a segfault. |
| 04:59.12 | cerezu | not working |
| 04:59.35 | aman | noda it dies? |
| 04:59.40 | aman | damn.. |
| 04:59.52 | noda | I'll try with the zImage from the same directory. |
| 05:00.00 | aman | any zimage should be fine |
| 05:00.06 | aman | no diff |
| 05:00.13 | noda | That's what I'd *assumed*... :) |
| 05:00.21 | kergoth`tv | noda: gdb /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe .. run .. bt |
| 05:00.28 | aman | sounds like opie is still screwy |
| 05:00.51 | noda | kergoth`tv: Okay. Oh, btw, how's your compilation coming? :) |
| 05:00.56 | kergoth`tv | noda: done |
| 05:00.58 | aman | ah the savior has come |
| 05:01.05 | noda | kergoth`tv: Oh wow! Does that image work? :) |
| 05:01.09 | kergoth`tv | noda: bout to test |
| 05:01.12 | kergoth`tv | we'll see |
| 05:01.19 | kergoth`tv | this one is from mrproper on up |
| 05:01.23 | noda | kergoth`tv: It'd better work dammit. If it doesn't... just will it to work :) |
| 05:01.24 | noda | Yep :) |
| 05:01.24 | kergoth`tv | total rebuild of the buildroot |
| 05:01.25 | kergoth`tv | heh |
| 05:01.32 | aman | heh |
| 05:01.40 | aman | i just mrpropered |
| 05:01.57 | aman | kergoth does xmms build die or that just me |
| 05:02.04 | kergoth`tv | aman: havent tried it recently |
| 05:02.10 | aman | k |
| 05:04.11 | cerezu | i actually have my zaurus on the net..would be funny if you hooked it directly up to ur cable modem and had apache running, hahahahaha. |
| 05:04.36 | kergoth`tv | use nanoweb instead |
| 05:04.43 | kergoth`tv | more lightweight for a pda |
| 05:04.44 | kergoth`tv | :) |
| 05:04.51 | noda | cerezu: Very possible. |
| 05:04.55 | noda | Yeah, php+nanoweb works well. |
| 05:05.07 | cerezu | yea |
| 05:05.17 | cerezu | but would be funny |
| 05:05.23 | noda | I'm sure it's a lot slower, of course... |
| 05:05.32 | cerezu | but a complete waste since i have a 1ghz w/1024mb of ram server |
| 05:05.35 | noda | cerezu: Not as cool as using your Z as a router (which, also, is fully possible) |
| 05:05.43 | noda | *web* server? |
| 05:05.47 | kergoth`tv | a Z needs a second network interface |
| 05:05.47 | cerezu | yea |
| 05:05.52 | noda | Now THAT is a waste. |
| 05:05.57 | noda | kergoth`tv: USB and CF :) |
| 05:06.00 | kergoth`tv | hey you could buy that serial->BT thing |
| 05:06.01 | cerezu | whats a waste? |
| 05:06.07 | kergoth`tv | route between BT, 802, and usb |
| 05:06.08 | kergoth`tv | hehe |
| 05:06.11 | noda | 1gig/1024M on a web server. |
| 05:06.24 | noda | You can go almost just as fast on a 486DX2/66 |
| 05:06.24 | cerezu | no..heh |
| 05:06.33 | cerezu | i use it for processing power as well. |
| 05:06.37 | cerezu | runs slackware. |
| 05:06.48 | noda | aman: Yeah, still crashes with your zImage. And it doesn't accept keyboard input either. |
| 05:06.54 | kergoth`tv | ? |
| 05:06.57 | noda | I'll see if I can ssh in and have fun. |
| 05:06.58 | kergoth`tv | noda: uh, when does it crash? |
| 05:07.03 | noda | s/crashes/opie segfaults |
| 05:07.07 | kergoth`tv | ? |
| 05:07.10 | kergoth`tv | i mean, it starts? |
| 05:07.13 | cbok | kg! |
| 05:07.16 | kergoth`tv | when mine segfaulted i never got in |
| 05:07.18 | kergoth`tv | hey cbok |
| 05:07.21 | cbok | isn't it past your bedtime? |
| 05:07.30 | cbok | howdy |
| 05:07.31 | cbok | btw |
| 05:08.11 | cerezu | still cant get vncserver to work. no input.. |
| 05:08.23 | kergoth`tv | cerezu: sounds like you didnt calibrate it when you first rebooted after installing. |
| 05:08.32 | kergoth`tv | vncserver is known and confirmed to work fine |
| 05:08.42 | cerezu | do you just touch the left and right bottom to calibrate it or do you run recalibrate immediately? |
| 05:08.46 | kergoth`tv | ? |
| 05:08.47 | noda | aman: Hrm, seems it's not configuring itself with dhcp when I put in my wireless card, too. |
| 05:08.52 | kergoth`tv | "run recalibrate"? |
| 05:09.03 | kergoth`tv | calibration of the vncserver is -compeltely- independent of opie |
| 05:09.03 | cerezu | in the tools |
| 05:09.12 | kergoth`tv | calibrate in settings is for qt/e |
| 05:09.30 | cerezu | then after i reinstall fvncserver then i completely reboot the zaurus, and then touch the top left and bottom right? |
| 05:09.38 | kergoth`tv | you 1) uninstall fbvncserver, 2) install fbvncserver, 3) reboot, 4) first hing you do with the touchscreen, tap upper left, then lower right, then 4) start the vnc server. |
| 05:09.43 | kergoth`tv | s/hing/thing/ |
| 05:09.59 | cerezu | ok |
| 05:10.04 | kergoth`tv | if you tap anywhere but the upper left, then lower right, on the screen, before doing so, it'll hose it. |
| 05:10.09 | kergoth`tv | the first taps *are* the calibration |
| 05:10.13 | kergoth`tv | dont do anything else first |
| 05:10.35 | kergoth`tv | cerezu: check for /etc/tssim* |
| 05:10.37 | kergoth`tv | cerezu: remove them |
| 05:10.46 | cerezu | ok |
| 05:10.50 | kergoth`tv | cerezu: do this. uninstall it. remove /etc/tssim*, then reinstall, reboot, calibrate, run vnc server |
| 05:11.02 | cerezu | no tssim files |
| 05:11.18 | kergoth`tv | then theres no previous calibration information floating around. good. |
| 05:11.45 | kergoth`tv | aha, Wumpscut's Christfuck has an audio clip from fight club |
| 05:11.50 | kergoth`tv | never noticed that before |
| 05:11.51 | noda | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 05:11.51 | noda | 0x403a9bc4 in QGList::append () from /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2 |
| 05:11.51 | noda | (gdb) bt |
| 05:11.51 | noda | #0 0x403a9bc4 in QGList::append () from /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2 |
| 05:11.51 | noda | #1 0x403a9bc8 in QGList::append () from /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2 |
| 05:11.51 | noda | #2 0x405c929c in __pointer_type_info virtual table () from /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2 |
| 05:12.09 | noda | (that's what happens running qpe on aman's initrd/zImage) |
| 05:12.09 | kergoth`tv | noda: damn. that doesnt make a lot of sense. |
| 05:12.34 | kergoth`tv | i mean, why would it crash trying to append data to a list? |
| 05:12.40 | noda | Broken qt? |
| 05:12.59 | kergoth`tv | noda: can try -beta2 again with a qt2 uic from the desktop system instead of the built one |
| 05:13.04 | kergoth`tv | noda: we'll see shortly |
| 05:13.13 | noda | kergoth`tv: Oh, you think it might be uicmoc that's broken? :) |
| 05:13.47 | cerezu | hrm..i did exactly that, didnt work |
| 05:13.55 | cerezu | hrm |
| 05:14.05 | kergoth`tv | cerezu: is tssimd running? |
| 05:14.23 | cerezu | nope |
| 05:14.42 | cerezu | and no tssim* in /etc/ |
| 05:14.48 | kergoth`tv | well obviously. |
| 05:14.50 | kergoth`tv | tssimd creates them |
| 05:14.54 | cerezu | and the first places i clicked when opie started was the top left and bottom right |
| 05:14.56 | kergoth`tv | if it isnt running, the file wont exist |
| 05:14.59 | kergoth`tv | ? |
| 05:14.59 | noda | Hey, is it just me, or was the last release also delayed by a couple of days from some damned annoying bug that just couldn't get solved? :) |
| 05:15.05 | kergoth`tv | if its not running, calibration doesnt happen |
| 05:15.08 | kergoth`tv | its the daemon you're calibrating |
| 05:15.31 | kergoth`tv | cerezu: /etc/init.d/fbvncinput start .. then tap the upper left, then lower right. then run sysinfo and make sure its running |
| 05:15.59 | cerezu | tssimd |
| 05:15.59 | cerezu | Opening /dev/tssim: No such file or directory |
| 05:16.12 | Davv | cerezu: |
| 05:16.13 | Davv | cd /etc/rc2.d |
| 05:16.13 | Davv | ln -s ../init.d/fbvncinput S51fbvncinput |
| 05:16.14 | kergoth`tv | jesus |
| 05:16.23 | kergoth`tv | cerezu: LISTEN! |
| 05:16.29 | kergoth`tv | cerezu: i said run the STARTUP script |
| 05:16.33 | kergoth`tv | cerezu: NOT the daemon |
| 05:16.33 | cerezu | i just did |
| 05:16.38 | kergoth`tv | wtf are you talkionga bout? |
| 05:16.42 | cerezu | it worked |
| 05:17.39 | Davv | Should there be a link to run the script for init level 2? By default there is not one in the ipk. |
| 05:17.49 | kergoth | Davv: no ipk includes the link directly. |
| 05:17.51 | kergoth | Davv: period. |
| 05:17.57 | kergoth | Davv: they're created in the postinst for the ipk |
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| 05:18.07 | kergoth | Davv: it should be created for vnc server, if it isnt, its a bug in the postinst |
| 05:18.09 | aman | noda, Karlyn still crashing? |
| 05:18.21 | noda | aman: Yep, did you see my backtrace higher up? |
| 05:19.03 | aman | nope, got disc |
| 05:19.05 | aman | paste |
| 05:19.06 | aman | again |
| 05:19.15 | noda | 0x403a9bc4 in QGList::append () from /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2 |
| 05:19.15 | noda | (gdb) bt |
| 05:19.15 | noda | #0 0x403a9bc4 in QGList::append () from /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2 |
| 05:19.15 | noda | #1 0x403a9bc8 in QGList::append () from /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2 |
| 05:19.15 | noda | #2 0x405c929c in __pointer_type_info virtual table () from /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2 |
| 05:19.28 | Karlyn | Still trying to get the cf ready for flashing |
| 05:19.52 | Karlyn | had to do some file shuffling to make space on an extra cf in case something bad happens :) |
| 05:20.16 | aman | noda fuck, doesn't look very good |
| 05:20.23 | aman | Karlyn no point in flashing really, its a borken image |
| 05:20.33 | Karlyn | oh crap :( |
| 05:20.34 | aman | kergoth you flash yours yet? |
| 05:20.45 | aman | ok |
| 05:20.55 | aman | seems sandman fixed the blinking of the clock |
| 05:20.56 | Karlyn | I'm going to just for gins still :) |
| 05:20.57 | aman | sweet |
| 05:20.59 | kergoth | b00m |
| 05:21.01 | Karlyn | *grins* I mean |
| 05:21.03 | kergoth | Segmentation fault |
| 05:21.09 | aman | kergoth shit. |
| 05:21.21 | aman | this is such crap |
| 05:21.21 | aman | argh |
| 05:21.38 | aman | what is the ipaq using |
| 05:21.40 | aman | qte version |
| 05:21.44 | noda | kergoth: You got a segfault? You gotta will it to work now :) |
| 05:21.49 | kergoth | noda: hha |
| 05:22.35 | noda | kergoth: I thought beta2 was broken and that's what made everything not work in the first place... |
| 05:22.41 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:22.49 | kergoth | beta2 is broken in a way that causes opie-login to segfault on exit |
| 05:22.50 | noda | Guess not :P |
| 05:22.52 | noda | Ah. |
| 05:22.55 | kergoth | it is not broken in a -doesnt function- way |
| 05:22.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:23.34 | noda | Hrm.... how good is qt3 looking right now? :P |
| 05:24.25 | noda | I'd be willing to do any patches necessary... |
| 05:24.28 | aman | heh |
| 05:24.29 | noda | (I think I'd be able to manage it) |
| 05:24.34 | kergoth | we're not switching to qt3. |
| 05:24.39 | aman | lol |
| 05:24.40 | noda | Why, bc? |
| 05:24.43 | aman | kergoth what are the ipaq guys using |
| 05:24.45 | kergoth | unless you want every available app to no longer function. |
| 05:24.51 | kergoth | qt3 is NOT bc with qt3 |
| 05:24.51 | cerezu | kergoth ran the startup script, still not working, it looked like it was working, tssimd starts, then i tap the upper left and bottom right, tssimd is running i checked... |
| 05:24.54 | kergoth | s/qt3$/qt2/ |
| 05:25.03 | kergoth | cerezu: does /etc/tssim* exist? |
| 05:25.06 | noda | Hrm... then again, gcc3 isn't bc either... |
| 05:25.10 | cerezu | yes |
| 05:25.14 | kergoth | noda: what of it? |
| 05:25.21 | kergoth | noda: gcc3 is only an OPTIONAL rom |
| 05:25.22 | cerezu | tssim_cal.conf |
| 05:25.28 | noda | Well, if you're gonna go for the more up-to-date stuff you might as well go all the way :) |
| 05:25.37 | noda | kergoth: Right, well, couldn't qt3 be optional? :) |
| 05:25.43 | kergoth | noda: no. unless you want to take on patching every available open source app to work with qt3. |
| 05:25.57 | noda | kergoth: Oh, I thought qt2 apps could work with qt3. |
| 05:26.02 | kergoth | noda: yes a qt3 rom will end up being available eventually |
| 05:26.10 | kergoth | noda: not without code alterations. mostly minor, but necessary. |
| 05:26.11 | noda | (without editing source code) |
| 05:26.14 | kergoth | noda: gcc3 = recompile only |
| 05:26.15 | noda | Ah. |
| 05:26.46 | kergoth | we'll end up having like 4 rootfs', at least |
| 05:27.06 | noda | I see. |
| 05:27.32 | cerezu | the file does exist, but the vncserver is not responding to input |
| 05:29.07 | cerezu | odd.. |
| 05:29.15 | cerezu | now it responds to keyboard input, is there mouse support? |
| 05:31.45 | noda | cerezu: It should work... |
| 05:33.06 | Karlyn | aman: Hehe I can ssh into the z with the broken rom still :) |
| 05:37.49 | cerezu | ok this is weird now. |
| 05:37.55 | hardwire | pimp |
| 05:37.58 | cerezu | i get mouse input for the fancy keyboard but no mouse input for the on screen |
| 05:38.00 | hardwire | just encoded a dvd |
| 05:38.23 | hardwire | the ogm file contains 1 video channel.. 2 languages of audio and all the subtitles on the dvd |
| 05:38.36 | hardwire | fuck |
| 05:38.36 | hardwire | yah |
| 05:38.37 | hardwire | mang |
| 05:38.50 | hardwire | the only way to rip anime |
| 05:38.54 | cerezu | am i supposed to run any specific vncserver? vncserver_halt, vncserver_minimal, vncserver_panel, vncserver_nopanel? |
| 05:38.59 | kergoth | cerezu: any will work |
| 05:40.06 | cerezu | yea, getting keyboard input, any ideas? |
| 05:40.14 | cerezu | no mouse input for the actual tapscreen tho |
| 05:41.00 | aman | so what are we going to do |
| 05:41.08 | kergoth | aman: i'm reverting to beta2 and testing that |
| 05:41.31 | aman | ok |
| 05:41.51 | cerezu | do i need a special type of vncviewer? shrug |
| 05:42.09 | kergoth | cerezu: no |
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| 05:44.48 | cerezu | and when i take tsimmd down i no longer get keyboard input from the vncserver. |
| 05:44.51 | cerezu | weird |
| 05:45.04 | kergoth | weird is right |
| 05:45.07 | kergoth | tried rebooting? |
| 05:45.19 | cerezu | many times, but i'll try again |
| 05:45.45 | cerezu | i can never get these things to work, heh.. |
| 05:47.06 | cerezu | yea..not getting anything another either |
| 05:49.57 | aman | checking for old Debian install-info... |
| 05:50.03 | aman | keeps hanging there. |
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| 05:51.06 | ||ugh | Hey folks, just checking in to see if there is anything that needs testing yet. |
| 05:51.30 | noda | ||ugh: There *is* something that doesn't work, but I guess that's not quite the same thing, eh :P |
| 05:51.43 | noda | kergoth: Is that qt build almost done? You don't have to recompile opie after, do yoU? |
| 05:51.58 | ||ugh | Software is like that. Sucks but might still be better then digging ditches. |
| 05:52.02 | kergoth | noda: shouldnt have to, no |
| 05:52.26 | kergoth | ||ugh: after a day of tech support, digging ditches starts looking pretty good |
| 05:52.29 | dep | noda: following your directions to do a buildroot...gets to ipkg and says it is missing configure.in |
| 05:52.30 | kergoth | ||ugh: ;) |
| 05:52.38 | kergoth | dep: you didnt select your distro in menuconfig |
| 05:52.43 | noda | dep: "my directions?" I didn't know I'd written any :) |
| 05:52.48 | cerezu | yea the problem is that tsimmd is not being ran at startup..i think |
| 05:52.56 | noda | kergoth: lol |
| 05:53.08 | dep | noda: your name is on it in oz faq #84 |
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| 05:53.22 | noda | dep: Oh, heh... |
| 05:53.25 | ||ugh | Sometimes I think that at least ditchdiggers get lots of sun and don't help evil folks like what the goverment is becomming... |
| 05:53.36 | dep | kergoth: ah, that explains why it is trying to build ipkg-x86 |
| 05:53.41 | kergoth | dep: huh? |
| 05:53.42 | noda | I think I should change my nick to "dont_ask_me_because_i_dont_want_to_support_my_own_faqs"... nah, a bit too long. |
| 05:53.45 | kergoth | dep: no, it doesnt. |
| 05:53.52 | kergoth | dep: it *always* builds ipkg-x86 |
| 05:53.56 | noda | Either that or "ask_kergoth" |
| 05:54.05 | kergoth | dep: as it needs a x86 built ipkg to install the ipks into the image |
| 05:54.20 | kergoth | noda: ill change mine to not_kergoth then |
| 05:54.22 | kergoth | noda: :) |
| 05:54.32 | dep | noda's directions don't mention menuconfig...was using 'make oldconfig' |
| 05:54.32 | noda | rofl |
| 05:54.34 | ||ugh | Now makefiles are something I _can_ help with, if needed (don't have to come upto speed on them like QT/QPE). |
| 05:54.48 | noda | dep: Don't call them my directions. I think that's what I was hinting at up there. |
| 05:54.51 | kergoth | dep: theres no point in calling them his directions. |
| 05:54.55 | noda | lol |
| 05:55.03 | kergoth | dep: they're the directions i put together, he just put them in the database |
| 05:55.19 | kergoth | dep: and they're outdated. run make menuconfig and select your distribution. |
| 05:55.25 | noda | That's it, time to edit that FAQ. |
| 05:55.33 | noda | <p>problems? ASK KERGOTH</p> |
| 05:55.36 | dep | i figured that...just giving him a bad time since he was disclaiming responsibility |
| 05:55.36 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:56.27 | Davv | cerezu: U get the fbvncserver working yet? |
| 05:56.35 | noda | rofl |
| 05:57.03 | cerezu | nope |
| 05:57.23 | cerezu | get keyboard input when tssimd is running, but no mouse.. |
| 05:57.42 | cerezu | and the startup script doesnt start at startup |
| 05:57.52 | noda | http://openzaurus.org/faq/faq?id=84 |
| 05:58.13 | noda | Erm, that's http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=84 :) |
| 05:58.28 | Davv | cerezu: is there a link in /etc/rcd.2 that points to ../init.d/fbvncinput ? |
| 05:58.46 | noda | Oh boy, here we go... just checking my email, here's another one :P |
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| 05:58.58 | noda | Oh... dep, did you just email me? :) |
| 05:59.12 | dep | noda: no |
| 05:59.16 | cerezu | hrm |
| 05:59.16 | stonage | any news on the oz3.1 release? |
| 05:59.32 | cerezu | nope |
| 06:00.00 | stonage | still planning to release rc1 tonight? |
| 06:00.03 | cerezu | nothing for fbvncinput in /etc/rc2.d |
| 06:00.21 | kergoth | stonage: hoping, but not altogether likely |
| 06:00.24 | Davv | cerezu: I know there isn't. :) run this: cd /etc/rc2.d ; ln -s ../init.d/fbvncinput S51fbvncinput |
| 06:00.29 | noda | Unless qt2 actually works :) |
| 06:00.36 | stonage | kergoth: cool |
| 06:01.14 | noda | kergoth: Is it built? :) |
| 06:01.17 | cerezu | and then reboot? |
| 06:01.18 | kergoth | okay tweaked faq #84 to mention selecting your distro |
| 06:01.23 | ||ugh | Us alien's cross our mandibles hopping for a working QT... |
| 06:01.24 | kergoth | noda: naw |
| 06:01.26 | noda | Heh :P |
| 06:01.33 | noda | I hope you left in the part about "don't ask me" :) |
| 06:01.36 | cerezu | Davv: and then reboot? |
| 06:01.39 | Davv | cerezu: sure.. reboot would be easiest. init 6 or reboot |
| 06:02.27 | Davv | cerezu: when it comes back up.. makes sure "/usr/sbin/tssimd" is in memory at terminal ' ps ' |
| 06:02.34 | noda | kergoth: Okay, something that's been bugging me for ages: That "latest oz" box is statically generated... |
| 06:02.52 | kergoth | noda: yep, it is. going to make it use the release system or something? |
| 06:03.10 | noda | kergoth: Well, I can't really have a "next"... but what the hell is the point of that number, anyway? :) |
| 06:03.25 | dep | kergoth: thanks |
| 06:03.31 | kergoth | noda: good point :) |
| 06:03.44 | kergoth | dep: np. redhat or mandrake right? |
| 06:04.00 | cerezu | Davv: it works!! |
| 06:04.02 | Davv | cerezu: U ssh'd in to zaurus.. or you typing on the little keyboard? |
| 06:04.04 | cerezu | :))))))))))))))))) |
| 06:04.07 | noda | Or should we scrap the box altogether? Or should we move it above the "admin login"? (so that normal people will see it more easily) |
| 06:04.25 | kergoth | noda: i kinda like it. i'd say move it up |
| 06:04.30 | cerezu | thanks everyone..thanks kergoth..thanks noda..thanks davv |
| 06:04.32 | Davv | cerezu: the 5th post down is my explanation: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?s=8d7d91de05f241d3b57708eca18d0001&act=ST&f=11&t=4949&st=15 |
| 06:05.06 | Davv | cerezu: there is no link for runlevel2 to start fbvncinput /etc/rcd.2 |
| 06:05.13 | Davv | cerezu: umm.. that in the ipk |
| 06:05.13 | noda | Okay, great. |
| 06:05.19 | noda | Davv: Hrm, is that faq-worthy? :) |
| 06:05.38 | kergoth | noda: no, its not. it'll be fixed in the next fbvncserver build |
| 06:05.39 | cerezu | rc2.d is run level 2? |
| 06:05.42 | kergoth | cerezu: yes |
| 06:05.42 | dep | kergoth: yes....mandrake 9, but chose mandrake 8 and it seems to be working |
| 06:05.44 | noda | Okay :) |
| 06:05.45 | Davv | noda: shoudl just fix the ipk. |
| 06:05.49 | kergoth | dep: okay, keep me posted |
| 06:05.59 | cerezu | and run level 5 is w/mouse input? |
| 06:06.04 | kergoth | cerezu: ? |
| 06:06.16 | kergoth | cerezu: OZ by default boots into runlevel 2. |
| 06:06.21 | kergoth | cerezu: 3-5 arent even used atm |
| 06:06.25 | cerezu | all i know 5 is graphical.. |
| 06:06.27 | kergoth | no |
| 06:06.29 | kergoth | you dont know that. |
| 06:06.33 | cerezu | not for oz |
| 06:06.35 | kergoth | what you know is how things work on your *DESKTOP* |
| 06:06.39 | cerezu | yea |
| 06:06.41 | cerezu | thats what i was sayin |
| 06:06.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:06.45 | cerezu | but what exactly are run levels? |
| 06:07.09 | Davv | cerezu: read my post on the URL i have you.. give u some explanation. |
| 06:07.12 | cerezu | ok.. |
| 06:07.15 | Davv | have/gave |
| 06:07.56 | dep | kergoth: suppose i want to make changes, which directory's files should be edited? the ones in 'build'? |
| 06:08.00 | Davv | is fbvncserver part of opie? or a 3rd party developer? |
| 06:08.02 | kergoth | dep: ? |
| 06:08.19 | kergoth | dep: build is the build trees, patches are applied to those trees at extraction time |
| 06:08.29 | kergoth | dep: to make a change, you alter something and generate a patch to be applied to the tree |
| 06:08.33 | kergoth | dep: (of the app in question) |
| 06:08.45 | dep | kergoth: ok |
| 06:08.51 | kergoth | dep: then you drop the patch into packages/packagename/, edit packages/packagename/Makefile and add it to Sources |
| 06:09.01 | kergoth | dep: then you make SUBDIRS=packages/packagename clean; make; |
| 06:09.11 | kergoth | dep: which results in a rebuild so you can confirm your patch applies cleanly |
| 06:10.32 | cerezu | this is freakin tight.. |
| 06:10.40 | kergoth | cerezu: spiffy eh? |
| 06:10.44 | cerezu | yea |
| 06:11.06 | cerezu | i already had vnc set up on my slackware server..vnc is tight, but its even SPIFFIER with the zaurus |
| 06:11.17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:11.18 | kergoth | yep |
| 06:11.44 | cerezu | i have the docking station right in front of my monitor, and its freaky having it do the same things... |
| 06:11.44 | cerezu | lol |
| 06:12.52 | cerezu | have the web browser..hehe..and i got my routers workin, just created bridge between this subnet and my other..added a route to both servers with both being on == same subnet level and I got it working ;-] so i was able to update everything from the oz3 feed hehehehe |
| 06:15.19 | ||ugh | More like kerghth vanishes in a puff of frustrated smoke! |
| 06:16.28 | Davv | From andyQ website: Updated AQPkg to 1.9 - unborked settings dialog and added proxy support. http://andyq.myby.co.uk/downloads.htm ::: AQPKG 1.8 is included in the snapshot for oz3rc1. It is partially broke (the Settings->Servers widow is misaligned. Can't make active or add new servers. |
| 06:16.52 | Davv | The 1.8 info is from me.. not andyq |
| 06:17.58 | noda | Okay, I'm being beaten by a 50-character SQL query here. How humiliating. |
| 06:18.16 | badl | 50char? |
| 06:18.24 | noda | Well, really short and simple :) |
| 06:18.37 | Davv | noda: must have long table names. ;) |
| 06:18.38 | badl | syntax error? |
| 06:18.49 | noda | badl: Just trying to find a good way to do this :P |
| 06:18.55 | noda | Davv: One table :P |
| 06:19.11 | badl | noda: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:19.16 | badl | select * from table ;) |
| 06:19.40 | noda | badl: Trying to take the latest stable and latest testing release from the database... in a dynamic way though :) |
| 06:19.48 | noda | i.e., never specifying "stable" or "testing"... |
| 06:20.03 | badl | i surpose you don't have subselects? |
| 06:20.10 | noda | No, which makes it tricky. |
| 06:20.14 | noda | But even if I did, I'd rather not use them. |
| 06:20.22 | noda | I suppose I could join the table to itself... |
| 06:20.24 | badl | heh yeah |
| 06:20.49 | badl | what about a _sp? |
| 06:21.02 | noda | Nah, this is mysql. |
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| 06:21.07 | badl | ohh |
| 06:21.17 | noda | But seriously, I'm sure I'm making this WAY too complicated :( |
| 06:21.44 | badl | if it requires to much thinking power.. just be lazy and make it two queries ;) |
| 06:21.52 | noda | Nevah! |
| 06:21.56 | badl | hahah |
| 06:21.58 | noda | I can do it with an inner join :) |
| 06:22.05 | badl | true |
| 06:22.13 | noda | I guess subselects would be neat here. This is actually almost the first time I've found myself wanting them. |
| 06:22.18 | noda | Second time :) |
| 06:22.26 | noda | Well, third. But the other two were about the same query :P |
| 06:23.04 | noda | Dammit, I've forgotten what I was thinking :) |
| 06:25.33 | Davv | Good. HancomWord finally works on OZ. :) fonts work fine too. |
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| 06:26.16 | noda | Ah, right! Inner joining the branch table! :) |
| 06:26.26 | Davv | But my Opera is not showing Gif files. . only jpeg (will work on that later). |
| 06:26.32 | freaker | I can't find the FULL RESET ... what does it look like? |
| 06:26.43 | ||ugh | ibot: where are the Sharp retail ROM images? |
| 06:26.44 | | ||ugh: what are you talking about? |
| 06:26.45 | noda | Take off the battery cover, it's underneath there. |
| 06:26.51 | noda | freaker: It's in your manual :) |
| 06:27.09 | freaker | yeah I dont see it |
| 06:27.43 | noda | Well, there's only one button underneath your battery cover. It shouldn't be that hard to find :P |
| 06:28.08 | noda | Right above the "RA" in "NORMAL OPERATION" |
| 06:29.05 | freaker | thats a button? |
| 06:29.11 | noda | Yep |
| 06:29.16 | freaker | crap |
| 06:29.21 | noda | You can press it with the pointy end of your battery cover :) |
| 06:29.26 | freaker | ok thanks |
| 06:32.41 | freaker | well now im cooking with grease |
| 06:34.58 | noda | Fuck it, I'll just load the whole table and do my filtering with PHP scripting :P |
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| 06:55.11 | noda | Bah, actually, why bother :) |
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| 07:20.13 | Davv | noda: I submitted a nicely written fbvncinput FAQ to the OZ site. I'll see if it get's approved. :P It touches on the init runlevel2 link issue and the first time run (click upper-left, bottom-right) and where these prefs are saved in case of a botch'd attemp. |
| 07:21.13 | noda | Davv: Hrm... okay. I dunno what kergoth's policy is on FAQ's about bugs in programs :) |
| 07:21.56 | Davv | noda: I"ll put him to test and find out what he is made of. Watch me get flamed!! haha |
| 07:24.00 | noda | :P |
| 07:27.38 | Davv | noda: I installed from the oz unstable feed and of course got the frozen OPIE interface. I then extracted the files from qt-embedded_2.3.4-5b_arm.ipk from agupta's feed and scp'd /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2.3.4 to the Z.. and OPIE runs fine. Course that library is about 3.2 Megs in size. I got HancomWord to work.. and got Opera kinda working (it's not show GIFs, only Jpegs - - didn't try other formats) |
| 07:28.35 | noda | Davv: Whoa. kergoth would probably be interested in that :) |
| 07:28.43 | Davv | But the Opera issue just might be my fault... |
| 07:28.52 | noda | Davv: I meant about the qte stuff :) |
| 07:29.14 | noda | Actually... I should test this too :) |
| 07:29.21 | Davv | I mentioned that to Kergoth earlier.. he was happy that the library fixed the problem.. but that was before he was getting segfault |
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| 07:31.16 | Davv | I mean.. earlier when kergoth thought the opie problem was fixed, he thought it was good news. but later he than ran into segfaults when trying to startup OPIE after he "waited" forever for it to compile. |
| 07:31.48 | noda | HOLY SHIT! It's 2:30... |
| 07:31.48 | Davv | Does agupta do his own patching? I don' tknow who he is... |
| 07:31.57 | noda | aman/themastermind1 |
| 07:32.02 | Davv | oh.. ok.. |
| 07:32.12 | noda | Man, I can't believe how my mind wanders these days :( |
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| 07:55.13 | schurig | /topic OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | OZ 3.1rc1was |
| 07:55.13 | schurig | borked, bug is now fixed, release should be tonight. |
| 07:55.53 | *** topic/#openzaurus by schurig -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | OZ 3.1rc1 was borked, bug is now fixed, release should be tonight. |
| 07:56.29 | schurig | no need for bad language in the topic ... :-) |
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| 08:17.15 | Piete | Hey all |
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| 08:40.17 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | OZ 3.1rc1 was borked, bug is now fixed, release should be tonight. |
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| 14:33.44 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 14:33.54 | Dessimat0r | release tonight?! :D |
| 14:35.05 | ljp- | tonight? |
| 14:37.16 | Dessimat0r | OZ 3.1rc1 was borked, bug is now fixed, release should be tonight.' |
| 14:37.23 | Dessimat0r | in the topic |
| 14:41.18 | lsmith | tonight is very relative for oz development :-) |
| 14:45.23 | ljp- | well, seeing as it is always tonight somewhere... |
| 14:47.46 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 14:47.50 | Dessimat0r | something will crop up |
| 14:47.55 | Dessimat0r | and it will be the following night |
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| 14:52.52 | nagROM | any news on 3.1? |
| 14:53.22 | Dessimat0r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:54.24 | nagROM | bahh guess i should read those. |
| 14:54.43 | nagROM | what bug was holding it back? |
| 14:54.46 | aman | hey |
| 14:54.52 | aman | whats new |
| 14:55.06 | aman | released yet? |
| 14:55.14 | nagROM | <Dessimat0r> Topic is 'OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | OZ 3.1rc1 was borked, bug is now fixed, release should be tonight.' |
| 14:56.14 | nagROM | heh. i've started using borked in my regular conversation. |
| 14:59.17 | ljp- | thats bjorked |
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| 15:07.59 | Dessimat0r | lo again ;) |
| 15:25.20 | jurrie_ | so what was the big Qt/E bug? |
| 15:31.20 | schurig | jurrie_: from two days ago? QtE apps that did not use QApplication did segfault. E.g. opie-login or uic |
| 15:34.16 | jurrie_ | oops |
| 15:40.12 | Dessimat0r | aah |
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| 15:55.19 | noda | Moo! |
| 15:55.38 | noda | So, release pushed back to *tonight*, eh? Was it qt? |
| 15:56.18 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 15:56.30 | Dessimat0r | <schurig> jurrie_: from two days ago? QtE apps that did not use QApplication did segfault. E.g. opie-login or uic |
| 15:56.31 | Dessimat0r | is this it? |
| 15:57.01 | noda | Dunno :) |
| 15:57.27 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 15:57.27 | noda | I don't think so, I think that was the reason qt beta2 wasn't used, and snapshots were used instead :) |
| 15:57.34 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 16:02.13 | nostromo | funny keyboard on an otherwise (mostly) working Zaurus. Any thoughts? |
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| 16:02.27 | aman | sup |
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| 16:02.51 | nostromo | funny == no touchscreen, garbled keys (a=ESC, etc.) |
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| 16:04.15 | noda | nostromo: That's not a funny keyboard, that's funny input stuff. |
| 16:04.22 | noda | Flash to 3.0 and try again :) |
| 16:04.39 | nostromo | I'm trying to back changes incrementally. |
| 16:04.55 | nostromo | Which package/mechanism takes care of qpe input? |
| 16:06.07 | nostromo | console works all right. |
| 16:06.27 | nostromo | could it be interaction between getty and qt? |
| 16:07.28 | aman | what? |
| 16:07.39 | aman | what are you talking about |
| 16:07.46 | aman | sounds like a vt issue |
| 16:08.26 | nostromo | My question should be "where is qt reading input from? |
| 16:08.39 | aman | for? |
| 16:08.48 | aman | keyboard or touchscreen |
| 16:08.58 | nostromo | both are broken in my setup |
| 16:09.04 | nostromo | I'm trying to learn why. |
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| 16:09.44 | aman | whats different in your setup |
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| 16:10.11 | nostromo | aman: different with regards to...? |
| 16:10.34 | nostromo | I'm in src unstable http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/feed/ :-) |
| 16:10.42 | XavierXeon | hi. where can i find a version if ipkg-make-index that deals with ar'd ipks ? |
| 16:10.50 | nostromo | Updated and upgraded |
| 16:16.25 | aman | nost oh |
| 16:16.31 | aman | unstable is borked |
| 16:16.41 | aman | downgrade your qte |
| 16:16.53 | aman | just need libqte |
| 16:16.59 | aman | get it from my feed |
| 16:17.13 | aman | cant use stable. thats too old. no weak symbols |
| 16:17.41 | nostromo | aman: where is your feed? |
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| 16:18.33 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:19.05 | aman | nost in the topic |
| 16:19.10 | noda | chouimat: Moo |
| 16:19.11 | aman | ~agupta |
| 16:19.39 | nobse | Why do I need to manually activate IrDA when I want to send an entry from the addressbook to my cellphone? |
| 16:20.00 | noda | It's turned off by default to save battery power |
| 16:20.08 | chouimat | noda: I'm playing with djview |
| 16:20.16 | lsmith | well if you say you want to send |
| 16:20.30 | lsmith | then obviously you want it turned on for a brief moment atleast |
| 16:20.31 | noda | Hey, I answered the question :P |
| 16:20.36 | aman | lsmith noda wrote our news section |
| 16:20.39 | noda | 's all I know! :) |
| 16:20.40 | nobse | lsmith: exactly |
| 16:20.41 | lsmith | i saw it |
| 16:21.05 | noda | aman: Erm... huh? |
| 16:21.15 | noda | aman: You mean openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/news? I wrote that... |
| 16:21.23 | aman | yea |
| 16:21.43 | noda | Erm. Me. |
| 16:22.36 | noda | OH! |
| 16:22.36 | noda | I thought you said "noda lsmith wrote our news section" :) |
| 16:22.36 | noda | rofl |
| 16:22.36 | noda | My mind's not all here :) |
| 16:22.44 | lsmith | hrhr |
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| 16:22.55 | lsmith | well i wrote it through you ;-) |
| 16:22.59 | chouimat | ok my pdf to djvu converter seems to work |
| 16:23.11 | lsmith | my little puppet on a string ;-) |
| 16:23.20 | lsmith | muhahaha |
| 16:23.22 | lsmith | muhahahaahaaa |
| 16:23.34 | aman | hmm |
| 16:23.35 | chouimat | ibot: lart lsmith |
| 16:23.36 | noda | aman: Yeah, rofl, lsmith suggested we do static pages because it'd be easier :P |
| 16:23.41 | aman | my devel box is down |
| 16:23.42 | noda | So I decided something must be done. |
| 16:23.53 | aman | so no tmm1's latest this weekend |
| 16:24.24 | chouimat | aman: that sucks |
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| 16:43.32 | aman | hah |
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| 16:56.31 | Dessimat0r | lo again |
| 16:56.33 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 16:56.36 | Dessimat0r | f00king netsplits |
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| 17:03.41 | aman | hmm |
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| 17:07.10 | phantasm | I just flashed my z to OZ, and now it seems I can't add any more apps |
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| 17:07.27 | kergoth | phantasm: sounds like you're trying to install them all to root instead of the ramdisk |
| 17:07.31 | kergoth | phantasm: read the faq on openzaurus.org |
| 17:07.42 | phantasm | I followed it |
| 17:07.44 | phantasm | still no go :o( |
| 17:07.51 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:07.59 | phantasm | qtopiadesktop isn't giving an error |
| 17:08.04 | phantasm | just pretends it installed |
| 17:08.06 | kergoth | therein lies your problem |
| 17:08.12 | phantasm | ? |
| 17:08.15 | kergoth | i dotn believe qtopia desktop's package installation works with aqpkg |
| 17:08.19 | aman | dont use qtopia desktop |
| 17:08.21 | phantasm | Hrms |
| 17:08.22 | kergoth | copy the ipks to your Z and install them locally |
| 17:08.27 | aman | install using aqpkg |
| 17:08.32 | kergoth | or install over a feed |
| 17:08.33 | phantasm | I getcha |
| 17:08.45 | dep | kergoth: my buildroot failed. problem with the diffs in ifupdown |
| 17:09.08 | kergoth | dep: worked fine last time i built it, which was about 8 hours ago |
| 17:09.18 | kergoth | dep: whats the error? |
| 17:09.33 | phantasm | where do I put the files for aqpkg? |
| 17:09.37 | kergoth | as always, i'll carry you, kicking and screaming, and in the end you will thank me |
| 17:09.43 | kergoth | phantasm: anyplace the Documents tab can find them |
| 17:09.49 | phantasm | Cool |
| 17:09.54 | kergoth | phantasm: /root/Documents, or your ramdisk or cf or sd card |
| 17:10.30 | phantasm | the big prob with feeds with aqpkg is wget isn't installed :/ |
| 17:10.34 | kergoth | aman: we should figure out what qtopia desktop is doing and make aqpkg work |
| 17:10.35 | kergoth | phantasm: huh? |
| 17:10.38 | kergoth | phantasm: wrong. |
| 17:10.44 | phantasm | and when I update feeds |
| 17:10.49 | kergoth | phantasm: you're wrong. |
| 17:10.50 | phantasm | I get an error about wget |
| 17:10.59 | kergoth | then your Z cant get onto the internet, its user error |
| 17:11.02 | kergoth | wget *is* installed. |
| 17:11.07 | kergoth | unless you removed it of course |
| 17:11.23 | phantasm | # wget |
| 17:11.23 | phantasm | wget: No such file or directory |
| 17:11.26 | phantasm | and no, I never removed it |
| 17:11.29 | kergoth | then you removed it |
| 17:11.32 | kergoth | OZ 3.0 includes it |
| 17:11.33 | noda | A very old busybox? |
| 17:11.37 | kergoth | as does every version after that |
| 17:11.53 | phantasm | There a way to find out if I used the OZ 3.0 flash> |
| 17:11.53 | dep | home/darrell/buildroot-oz/packages/ifupdown/ifupdown-udhcpc.patch failed with error code 256 |
| 17:12.02 | kergoth | dep: thats not the error. |
| 17:12.05 | kergoth | dep: look farther up |
| 17:12.07 | aman | dep bk -r edit -q |
| 17:12.17 | kergoth | phantasm: /bin/busybox wget |
| 17:12.25 | kergoth | aman: good call, it probably couldnt find a patch |
| 17:12.34 | kergoth | aman: i should fix that error handling, it still doesnt fail right away |
| 17:12.36 | aman | phantasm go to systeminfo in apps |
| 17:12.38 | phantasm | # /bin/busybox wget |
| 17:12.38 | phantasm | wget: applet not found |
| 17:12.43 | phantasm | k |
| 17:12.45 | Laze | Kerogth: How is everything comming along in RC1? |
| 17:13.08 | phantasm | Opie 0.9.1-snapshot |
| 17:13.11 | kergoth | phantasm: you're on a hosed or old busybox |
| 17:13.11 | phantasm | and 2.4.6 kernel |
| 17:13.19 | kergoth | phantasm: thats not the oz version |
| 17:13.26 | phantasm | its not listed under version here |
| 17:13.36 | kergoth | phantasm: then you're definately on a very old version. |
| 17:13.44 | kergoth | phantasm: i'd recommend flashing OZ 3.0 from openzaurus.org |
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| 17:13.49 | phantasm | BusyBox v0.61.pre (2002.08.23-00:06+0000) multi-call binary |
| 17:14.13 | aman | hmm |
| 17:14.21 | aman | 8.23 |
| 17:14.22 | kergoth | phantasm: the busybox in oz 3.0 was 0923. |
| 17:14.27 | aman | thats old.. |
| 17:14.29 | kergoth | phantasm: as i said, you arent on 3.0 |
| 17:14.45 | aman | you arent running oz3 |
| 17:14.51 | kergoth | heh :) |
| 17:15.09 | dep | aman: what does 'bk -r edit -q' do? (gawd, time tto go read the bk docs) |
| 17:15.18 | phantasm | Ok I gotta get to work |
| 17:15.30 | kergoth | dep: 1) checks out files from your local repository, 2) locks them all for editing so you can make changes if need be |
| 17:16.01 | phantasm | Thanks for the help, gonna DL the new roms |
| 17:16.04 | kergoth | phantasm: np |
| 17:19.38 | dep | ifupdown gets retrieved from debian, has some trailing garbage on the Gzip, then SourceTreeMethod->go says failed with error code 0 |
| 17:20.34 | kergoth | dep: you need to upgrade your gzip package, i'd say |
| 17:20.40 | kergoth | dep: we dont have many docs, but read them |
| 17:20.43 | kergoth | dep: docs/DEVEL and docs/BUILD |
| 17:20.52 | kergoth | dep: BUILD primarily, it outlines the build requirements |
| 17:20.58 | dep | kergoth: ok, thanks |
| 17:21.01 | kergoth | np |
| 17:21.24 | kergoth | aman: IT LIVES! |
| 17:22.16 | Laze | Kergoth: Gone from exploding to dancing, eehhh - looking bright? |
| 17:23.44 | kergoth | Laze: THE DEVIL LIVES! |
| 17:23.47 | kergoth | Laze: oz3.1rc1 works. |
| 17:24.54 | *** topic/#openzaurus by kergoth -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | Women are hyperthreaded. | OZ3.1rc1 IS ALIVE! |
| 17:25.30 | noda | kergoth: Release! Release! :) |
| 17:25.42 | kergoth | er |
| 17:25.46 | kergoth | theres only one size of 2x4 |
| 17:25.47 | kergoth | god i'm tired |
| 17:25.52 | kergoth | anyway, i'm working on it |
| 17:25.54 | noda | rofl |
| 17:26.49 | Laze | Kergoth: You deserve a lot of credit .... so here goes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ LOL |
| 17:26.57 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:27.10 | kergoth | noda: speaking of $$$, we need a -basic- credits page with paypal/c2it links |
| 17:27.20 | kergoth | noda: cause i dunno about you, even a couple buck s is better than nothing |
| 17:27.23 | kergoth | noda: heh ;) |
| 17:27.46 | noda | kergoth: Hrm, I guess :) |
| 17:27.50 | kergoth | noda: talked to dan yet? |
| 17:27.57 | noda | kergoth: Yeah, he's gonna call me on Monday :) |
| 17:28.02 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 17:28.07 | noda | I'm pretty excited :) |
| 17:28.09 | Laze | kergoth/noda: paypal is the best in my oppion and thats the one i'm using when i'm "donating".. |
| 17:28.21 | noda | He wasn't too happy about my not-being-able-to-be-liable-for-bugs-that-won't-even-exist, but still :) |
| 17:28.34 | noda | kergoth: Should the credits page be static? |
| 17:28.38 | kergoth | noda: hehe. well given your small business status .. i cant really blame you |
| 17:28.40 | noda | I just can't think of a way to put it in the db :) |
| 17:28.43 | noda | Yeah. |
| 17:28.55 | noda | Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if whatever I can do is more secure than what he's got now :) |
| 17:29.04 | noda | Actually... I could probably bet on it :P |
| 17:29.17 | kergoth | noda: hmm, add a new field to the admins on the site .. 'position' or something .. i.e. noda .. web designer .. |
| 17:29.24 | noda | kergoth: Sure |
| 17:29.26 | kergoth | noda: then generate from the site users who have positions |
| 17:29.29 | kergoth | noda: /me shrugs |
| 17:29.32 | kergoth | just throwing ideas around |
| 17:29.41 | noda | kergoth: Ah. That'd be nice and simple... |
| 17:29.54 | noda | Or a separate 'credits' table which links to the user's ID. |
| 17:29.58 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:30.06 | kergoth | something like that |
| 17:30.07 | Laze | Kergoth: are you guys looking for a web designer? I might have a person or two up my sleeve :-) |
| 17:30.11 | noda | Then we could have a long description, like "kergoth does EVERYTHING. Give him all your money." |
| 17:30.18 | kergoth | noda: lol |
| 17:30.22 | kergoth | noda: good idea tho |
| 17:30.42 | noda | Laze: Well, we've got one (me) and another (aman), but if you want to grab oz_website from CVS and play with it, go right ahead. |
| 17:30.45 | kergoth | noda: need a field for the paypal link or what have you, will want it to be a short block of xhtml, to show the image |
| 17:30.50 | noda | I could give a db snapshot to play with. |
| 17:30.55 | noda | Yep. |
| 17:31.06 | kergoth | shouldnt be much to it really |
| 17:31.32 | kergoth | but dont waste time on this stuff if you need to be working on your contract work, id hate to take you away from what you get paid for |
| 17:31.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:31.35 | kergoth | ;) |
| 17:31.42 | noda | Hrm, time to name fields. "position", "description", "give_me_money" :) |
| 17:32.13 | noda | lol, don't worry about that. I dunno if I can do my contract until the week... actually, maybe I can :) |
| 17:32.15 | Laze | A good setup on how the pay system could be handle is seen on www.amiga.org |
| 17:33.27 | noda | Hrm, I really can't think of a good name for the give_me_money field :) |
| 17:33.36 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:34.18 | noda | Oh hell, that's a lot of info on each person :) |
| 17:34.52 | Laze | Noda: you could use the amiga.org text: "We make OpenZaurus to provide Zaurus ressources for the Zaurus community. If you'd like to help out, please drop a buck or two into our digital tipping jar. Thanks! =) " |
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| 17:35.38 | noda | How do you make a paypal account, btw? And can you do it without a fucking credit card because Mastercard is the worst credit card company ever? :) |
| 17:35.44 | AndyQ | hey all |
| 17:35.51 | kergoth | hey andy |
| 17:36.03 | AndyQ | woo - I see you got the main problems fixed! |
| 17:36.14 | noda | Know what? For now I'll just let the "pay me" stuff go right into the 'description'. |
| 17:36.29 | noda | Actually.... know what REALLY? I'm making a static page :P |
| 17:36.36 | kergoth | AndyQ: qt/e 20021213 snapshot is B0RKED |
| 17:36.40 | kergoth | and |
| 17:36.49 | kergoth | MOC from qt/e beta2 is b0rked as well, just not as badly |
| 17:36.58 | AndyQ | kergoth: hehe - I sure you thought that that would be the case yesterday or the day before |
| 17:37.36 | AndyQ | And what the hell has happened with the Opie Digest - so busy !!!! |
| 17:37.47 | Laze | Kergoth: Is the http://www.openzaurus.org/official/3.1rc1/ ready to download? |
| 17:37.57 | noda | Actually... know what? I'm not going to make a static page. I gotta wake up, eat some breakfast, build myself another computer and then work on my contract :P |
| 17:39.12 | kergoth | AndyQ: handhelds.org got hung up, mails sat around not going out, and now they're all going out |
| 17:39.45 | kergoth | AndyQ: yes i thought it was qt/e the whole time, but check this.. we had like 3 problems happening.. so it was hard to isolate what was going on |
| 17:40.21 | kergoth | noda: Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /home/groups/o/op/openzaurus/htdocs/oz_website/include/nav/latest.inc on line 9 |
| 17:40.28 | AndyQ | kergoth: yeah - it really sucks when too many things happen that you just can't figure out what is wrong |
| 17:40.30 | kergoth | noda: after clicking on the release module |
| 17:40.41 | noda | kergoth: Shite... |
| 17:40.44 | kergoth | noda: check that, after clicking on any admin link |
| 17:40.45 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:41.04 | noda | Okay, shouldn't be hard to find. |
| 17:41.11 | noda | Does that for all admin modules :) |
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| 17:41.57 | kergoth | noda: so i should move the changelog entries to testing manually, or does release move them into testing? |
| 17:41.58 | aman | kergoth how goes it |
| 17:42.05 | AndyQ | hey aman |
| 17:42.08 | kergoth | noda: last time i did it manually just to make sure all my bases were covered |
| 17:42.12 | noda | kergoth: Just wait for me to be done :) |
| 17:42.19 | kergoth | noda: k |
| 17:42.23 | noda | kergoth: No, don't do them manually - better to release all of unstable at once :) |
| 17:42.27 | noda | Though both will work. |
| 17:42.45 | noda | aargh. I've gotta go through all my zillions of dependencies now :) |
| 17:42.53 | aman | andyq sup. the new zremote works great. now just need a desktop entry for it and an icon |
| 17:43.16 | AndyQ | aman: hehe - glad your happy :) |
| 17:43.29 | aman | kergoth rc1 works with qtebeta2? |
| 17:43.33 | kergoth | aman: yep |
| 17:43.39 | aman | sweet |
| 17:43.39 | noda | kergoth: So, yeah, I'll be just 5 minutes on this one. |
| 17:43.39 | kergoth | aman: had to use my desktop uic binary |
| 17:43.44 | AndyQ | whats qtebeta2? |
| 17:43.44 | kergoth | aman: cause remember hte uic segfault? |
| 17:43.45 | kergoth | heeh |
| 17:43.52 | aman | so we can release finalfuckingly |
| 17:43.52 | kergoth | AndyQ: qt-embedded 2.3.4 beta2 |
| 17:43.55 | kergoth | aman: yep |
| 17:43.57 | AndyQ | ahhh |
| 17:44.01 | kergoth | aman: already uploaded the initrd.bin |
| 17:44.03 | kergoth | aman: updating the feeds now |
| 17:44.05 | aman | sweet |
| 17:44.13 | AndyQ | kergoth: has the zImage been updated? |
| 17:44.15 | aman | some one alert the forum |
| 17:44.23 | kergoth | AndyQ: i put the zImages up two days ago |
| 17:44.25 | kergoth | AndyQ: :) |
| 17:44.28 | kergoth | havent changed since then |
| 17:44.39 | kergoth | numatrix: ping |
| 17:44.39 | AndyQ | phew - coz I've just downloaded then and am preparing to flash :) |
| 17:44.41 | aman | and add a news item.. and why not make news the main page? |
| 17:44.45 | kergoth | aman: we need to update our mirrors |
| 17:44.55 | aman | yes. we do |
| 17:44.56 | kergoth | aman: i should also upload the files into the files section on zaurus.com, to get more exposure |
| 17:44.58 | noda | How the HELL can $db be a non-object... |
| 17:45.04 | randy | mornin all |
| 17:45.06 | aman | noda hehe |
| 17:45.10 | kergoth | then i need to write a release/"call for testers" announcement |
| 17:45.16 | kergoth | anyone have the announcement i wrote up for 3.0? |
| 17:45.20 | kergoth | went to like every list |
| 17:45.25 | kergoth | but my mailserver dropped, id ont have any old mail |
| 17:45.43 | aman | nope sorry |
| 17:45.49 | aman | check archives |
| 17:46.10 | aman | change topic here and #zaurus |
| 17:46.32 | kergoth | what date did i release? |
| 17:46.35 | kergoth | oz 3.0? |
| 17:46.37 | aman | kergoth uic and opie still segfault then? and did you fix multikey? |
| 17:46.37 | kergoth | october 30th right? |
| 17:46.43 | aman | 12th |
| 17:46.45 | aman | nov |
| 17:46.47 | aman | iirc |
| 17:46.47 | kergoth | aman: i think i fixed multikey, let me check |
| 17:47.01 | kergoth | ah crap |
| 17:47.02 | noda | Ahhhhh.... I see :) |
| 17:47.07 | kergoth | my multikey fix isnt in this build |
| 17:47.13 | kergoth | glad i didnt Release yet |
| 17:47.19 | aman | heheh |
| 17:47.27 | aman | did you build feeds? |
| 17:47.34 | aman | lirc ipk works now |
| 17:47.36 | kergoth | only the base packages |
| 17:47.38 | kergoth | the rest shortly |
| 17:47.43 | aman | and onyx added qt apps |
| 17:48.11 | noda | kergoth: Fixed! :) |
| 17:48.16 | kergoth | noda: thanks :) |
| 17:48.18 | aman | if anyone asks, to use lirc type "zremote" in console |
| 17:48.25 | randy | yay! someone bought my wince machine! more zaurus toys! |
| 17:48.40 | noda | Oh fuck :P |
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| 17:49.00 | noda | Oh, well, not as big a deal now, but it fails if you try to get to an admin module and aren't admin... weird :) |
| 17:49.11 | kergoth | k |
| 17:49.26 | noda | Um... no it doesn't. I'm confused! |
| 17:49.36 | kergoth | lol |
| 17:49.45 | noda | How the HELL did I get that message... |
| 17:49.49 | stonage | how's the first impression of rc1? stable-ish? |
| 17:50.00 | kergoth | stonage: i'm biased, but yet. |
| 17:50.03 | kergoth | s/yet/yes/ |
| 17:50.27 | stonage | kergoth: well I'll give it a shot |
| 17:50.32 | stonage | I want op2 |
| 17:50.39 | noda | kergoth: Okay, I have no idea how I got that error message again. Must've been a cached page :) |
| 17:50.47 | aman | its there |
| 17:50.52 | aman | op2 will be in the rc1 feeds |
| 17:50.54 | kergoth | wtf |
| 17:50.55 | noda | op2 is at version 1214 now btw... |
| 17:50.55 | stonage | and to get rid of that cf remounting on rsume |
| 17:51.04 | noda | I think the feed probably has 1212 |
| 17:51.05 | aman | noda eh? |
| 17:51.09 | aman | hmmm |
| 17:51.53 | stonage | I'll be back on rc1.... |
| 17:52.10 | aman | someone: bk edit op2.ipk; wget newop2.ipk; bkci new.ipk; bk mv new.ipk old.ipk; bkpush |
| 17:52.27 | AndyQ | OK flashed - just booting.... |
| 17:52.35 | aman | and fix the makefile |
| 17:52.41 | kergoth | aman: i think you forgot a bk add new.ipk |
| 17:52.44 | kergoth | aman: :) |
| 17:52.47 | aman | yea |
| 17:52.49 | aman | oops |
| 17:53.01 | aman | my devel machine is dead |
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| 17:54.25 | stonage | is there an initrd.bin file for rc1? |
| 17:54.44 | aman | kergoth so rc1 initrd has broked multikey? |
| 17:54.54 | noda | stonage: Just watch openzaurus.org/ |
| 17:54.59 | stonage | k |
| 17:55.07 | noda | stonage: When there is, you'll see "testing: 3.1rc1" in the 'latest oz' box. |
| 17:55.13 | AndyQ | kergoth: ok, at first boot - i'm at the login prompt - hasn't gone into Opie |
| 17:55.50 | kergoth | AndyQ: right, thats the other reason i yanked that initrd. fix is easy. vi /usr/lib/ipkg/info/opie-base.postinst .. uncomment the lines .. then /usr/lib/ipkg/info/opie-base.postinst configure; at the prompt |
| 17:55.55 | kergoth | AndyQ: then reboot |
| 17:56.05 | kergoth | AndyQ: sorry about that, did that for testing purposes so that if opie b0rked i could still get to a prompt |
| 17:56.14 | noda | Heh, so now you have to build another image? :) |
| 17:56.20 | kergoth | had to anyway |
| 17:56.23 | AndyQ | kergoth: k did i download the wrong initrc? |
| 17:56.24 | kergoth | as multikey was still b0rked |
| 17:56.24 | noda | Ah |
| 17:56.24 | aman | hehe |
| 17:56.26 | kergoth | AndyQ: no |
| 17:56.31 | aman | fuck! |
| 17:56.35 | kergoth | AndyQ: i uploaded it without realizing the bug existed |
| 17:56.39 | aman | i HATE opie-irc |
| 17:56.45 | aman | time to fix it |
| 17:56.46 | randy | You guys got a donation system of any type? |
| 17:56.47 | aman | pos |
| 17:56.48 | noda | lol |
| 17:57.06 | noda | randy: Paypal. You could also donate a 'credits' page that would link to paypal :P |
| 17:57.07 | aman | randy not in place, but donations are welcome :) |
| 17:57.34 | aman | hmmm.. /me looks for a box to dev on |
| 17:57.42 | randy | How about c2it? I hate paypal. been screwed over by them a few times too many. anyone can take a c2it payment. |
| 17:57.49 | kergoth | randy: i have accounts on both paypal and c2it |
| 17:57.53 | kergoth | randy: hint hint |
| 17:57.54 | randy | cool. |
| 17:57.55 | noda | What's c2it? |
| 17:57.57 | aman | hehe |
| 17:58.12 | randy | noda: run by one of the banks. cant remembe which |
| 17:58.18 | aman | i could use a new stylus and a serialio cable |
| 17:58.20 | noda | citebank :) |
| 17:59.20 | noda | Dammit, c2it only works in the States? |
| 17:59.54 | randy | noda: we can send money anywhere. not sure about signing up though |
| 18:00.25 | noda | Looks like it's only for US :( |
| 18:00.35 | AndyQ | kergoth: worked fine - thanks |
| 18:00.40 | kergoth | AndyQ: np |
| 18:00.52 | kergoth | AndyQ: let me know how the image works for you. note that multikey still doesnt appear, but other than that it should be working |
| 18:00.54 | aman | randy: we? |
| 18:01.17 | aman | andy see if you have that cf/resume issue |
| 18:01.21 | randy | aman: people in the states |
| 18:01.23 | AndyQ | k |
| 18:01.47 | kergoth | Both my paypal and c2it accounts should be registered to my kergoth@handhelds.org addy |
| 18:01.50 | kergoth | afaicr |
| 18:02.53 | aman | heh |
| 18:03.13 | aman | oh.. |
| 18:03.34 | kergoth | aman: if you want them in 3.1rc1 you'd better hurry up |
| 18:04.20 | kergoth | :) |
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| 18:05.34 | noda | Whee! Anybody feel like sending me money? :) |
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| 18:06.31 | aman | kergoth whens your opie cvs pull from |
| 18:06.57 | kergoth | aman: about 10 minutes ago, i'm rebuilding now to ensure i'm on the latest, and to give us the multikey fix |
| 18:06.58 | noda | Nobody? Send me money? :) |
| 18:07.19 | AndyQ | kergoth: wireless settings seems to hang for a while when you set wep and click OK - in fact whole Z hangs for about 30 secs then comes back |
| 18:07.47 | kergoth | AndyQ: its probably restarting pcmcia or something. or ejecting and reinserting the card |
| 18:07.49 | AndyQ | kergoth: plus - didn't get an ipaddress |
| 18:07.58 | kergoth | AndyQ: something needs doing to ensure that the changes take effect. |
| 18:08.22 | kergoth | AndyQ: networksetup needs a 'please wait...' dialog |
| 18:08.38 | AndyQ | kergoth: trying udhcpc manually to get ip address - get three lines that say debug, sending discover... and then nothing |
| 18:08.48 | aman | andyq hmmm |
| 18:09.10 | aman | it didnt eject properly |
| 18:09.23 | aman | probably cardctl eject failed |
| 18:09.31 | chouimat | ibot change 300 chf to cad |
| 18:09.32 | AndyQ | aman: it looked like it - usually the lights on my card go off and then come back on and it didn't do that this time |
| 18:09.46 | chouimat | ibot change 1 chf to cad |
| 18:09.55 | aman | andyq yep, try ejecting and reinserting the card |
| 18:10.31 | nostromo | aman: when my wireless card is inserted at boot, it does not initialize properly. |
| 18:10.44 | nostromo | I need to "card<tl eject", then "insert" to have it working. |
| 18:10.45 | AndyQ | aman: /etc/init.d/pcmcia stop sits for a while trying to shut down PCMCIA services - then claims its done but my wifi card light is still on |
| 18:10.55 | kergoth | nostromo: yes we know. |
| 18:11.05 | kergoth | AndyQ: ? |
| 18:11.11 | kergoth | AndyQ: try cardctl eject |
| 18:11.15 | nostromo | OK, I was not sure it is a known bug. |
| 18:11.16 | kergoth | AndyQ: not pcmcia stop |
| 18:11.23 | kergoth | nostromo: should be fixed already |
| 18:11.32 | AndyQ | kergoth: cant - z has completely locked up |
| 18:11.38 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:11.43 | nostromo | kergoth: Is the "garbled input" in opie fixed? |
| 18:11.48 | kergoth | nostromo: huh? |
| 18:11.53 | AndyQ | having to flick reset switch :( |
| 18:12.25 | nostromo | I had unstable, upgraded yesterday, and my opie had no touchscreen and keys were wrong (a -> ESC,...) |
| 18:12.40 | nostromo | console worked all right. |
| 18:12.44 | nostromo | and ssh |
| 18:13.00 | kergoth | nostromo: ? |
| 18:13.09 | kergoth | nostromo: thats fixed |
| 18:13.13 | nostromo | I'm upgrading again jsut now. |
| 18:13.15 | kergoth | nostromo: oz 3.1rc1 will be released within minutes |
| 18:13.19 | AndyQ | aman: OK, on reboot - still have no ipaddress |
| 18:13.20 | kergoth | nostromo: upgrading again wont help you |
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| 18:13.26 | nostromo | So? |
| 18:13.30 | kergoth | nostromo: you need to backrev qt/e. the one in unstable was new, and broken. |
| 18:13.38 | kergoth | nostromo: ipkg upgrade wont downgrade you |
| 18:13.58 | nostromo | I'll double check qt-embedded after upgrade. |
| 18:14.06 | nostromo | Which is the "right" one? |
| 18:14.10 | kergoth | nostromo: fyi, you need the qt/e thats -beta2, not the snapshot |
| 18:14.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:14.24 | nostromo | where is it? |
| 18:14.36 | noda | kergoth: Next thing I do on oz.org will be the credits page :) |
| 18:14.38 | noda | But not today :) |
| 18:14.41 | kergoth | noda: cool |
| 18:14.44 | nostromo | in unstable, I see it. I'll ensure after upgrading the rest of the things. |
| 18:14.45 | kergoth | nostromo: eh? |
| 18:14.47 | kergoth | nostromo: in unstable |
| 18:14.49 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:15.17 | kergoth | only issue is you already installed a newer version than that, so ipkg will not downgrade. you'll likely want to force a removal of the current one, then install the one from the feed |
| 18:15.35 | nostromo | Some of the wireless problems *can* be related to firmware in the prism2 cards (I'm in madridwireless :-) |
| 18:15.50 | AndyQ | aman: any ideas - wlan appears in ifconfig list but it won't get an ipaddress |
| 18:16.24 | nostromo | AndyQ: try iwconfig wlan0 and ifconfig wlan0 and look for errors in ifconfig. |
| 18:16.45 | noda | (and a shower) |
| 18:17.08 | nostromo | if it happens, either eject and insert or try "iwpriv wlan0 reset 1" |
| 18:17.22 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:17.40 | nostromo | ;-) |
| 18:17.47 | c99koder | AndyQ: i had the same problem. looks like the network config isn't saving settings right. i copied /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts off my desktop box and udhcpc -i wlan0 works for me now |
| 18:17.59 | kergoth | c99koder: unless you're on unstable, your report doesnt mean much |
| 18:18.05 | c99koder | kergoth: i am |
| 18:18.05 | kergoth | c99koder: ben believes he fixed that :) |
| 18:18.10 | kergoth | c99koder: no i mean *UNSTABLE* |
| 18:18.11 | nostromo | try to find the firmware version in dmesg or logread. |
| 18:18.16 | kergoth | c99koder: newer than whats in the feed as of 20 minutes ago |
| 18:18.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:18.21 | c99koder | ah |
| 18:18.30 | kergoth | c99koder: updating it again in a sec here |
| 18:18.31 | nostromo | Prism2 cards with broken firmware give a lot of problems. |
| 18:18.34 | c99koder | k |
| 18:18.37 | kergoth | c99koder: then upgrade and test, if you would :) |
| 18:19.35 | nostromo | AndyQ: do you have errors in ifconfig output? |
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| 18:19.56 | AndyQ | kergoth: should my WEP Key in wireless.opts be : KEY="0000000000 restricted"? |
| 18:20.01 | AndyQ | where 0000000000 is the key |
| 18:20.19 | AndyQ | kergoth: or should it just be KEY="0000000000" |
| 18:20.27 | mwa | Where's the feeds go? http://www.openzaurus.org/feeds is gone. |
| 18:20.31 | kergoth | AndyQ: that looks fine to me .. the keyword after the key will be either restricted or open, depending on whether its open or shared key |
| 18:20.35 | kergoth | ibot: tell mwa about oz feed |
| 18:20.41 | AndyQ | nostromo: no errors in ifconfig |
| 18:20.44 | nostromo | OK. |
| 18:21.01 | mwa | thanks |
| 18:22.26 | AndyQ | kergoth: my Z is not recognising that when the WiFi card gets pulled out! |
| 18:22.50 | AndyQ | kergoth: and if I try to eject it from the taskbar - it says that Eject Failed |
| 18:25.51 | AndyQ | nostromo: iwconfig has Rc invalid nwid:0 invalid crypt:0 invalid misc:0 |
| 18:26.02 | nostromo | funny. |
| 18:26.18 | nostromo | can you ifconfig it by hand, and have communications? |
| 18:26.32 | AndyQ | OK, after another reboot - udhcpc manually worked |
| 18:26.45 | kergoth | heh, my opie just hung |
| 18:26.47 | kergoth | cardctl eject hung |
| 18:26.49 | AndyQ | it looks like the CF eject is not working! |
| 18:26.53 | kergoth | hence opie did. system() call |
| 18:26.56 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 18:27.18 | kergoth | odd |
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| 18:27.46 | aman | argh |
| 18:28.07 | kergoth | hmm, odd |
| 18:28.10 | kergoth | cardctl eject definately hangs |
| 18:28.25 | aman | in console too? |
| 18:28.28 | kergoth | odd, it should be killing off the processes using the card, then doing pcmcia/cf eject |
| 18:28.32 | kergoth | aman: yep |
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| 18:29.22 | nostromo | which version of the hostap driver are we using currently in unstable? |
| 18:29.28 | kergoth | nostromo: hold, let me check |
| 18:29.39 | kergoth | odd, we've got general pcmcia issues |
| 18:29.39 | AndyQ | wooo - wireless applet fits the screen now :) |
| 18:29.59 | kergoth | pulling the card physically doesnt result in the processes that were on the card being killed |
| 18:30.05 | kergoth | i have stale udhcp processes now |
| 18:30.08 | kergoth | interesting |
| 18:30.23 | nostromo | I had similar problems with versions around cvs-june/september |
| 18:31.45 | kergoth | nostromo: good call. we're on an even older version, looks like 05-19 |
| 18:32.02 | trilluser | fisse |
| 18:32.13 | kergoth | trilluser: um, you should think of an actual nick |
| 18:32.17 | kergoth | trilluser: other than the default trillian one |
| 18:32.18 | kergoth | :P |
| 18:32.22 | AndyQ | lol |
| 18:32.39 | nostromo | current cvs works much better, but I'm not sure if we are seeing general pcmcia problems. |
| 18:33.09 | kergoth | nostromo: well, i'll upgrade hostap and we'll see if the problems continue |
| 18:33.26 | nostromo | sometimes it is related with firmware. |
| 18:33.35 | kergoth | geh, we're still using the stock 2.4.6 pcmcia net drivers |
| 18:33.46 | nostromo | 1.4.9 firmware should work fairly well. |
| 18:33.47 | kergoth | I should really apply lineo's Z specific bits to the pcmcia-cs drivers |
| 18:34.08 | nostromo | 1.4.2 (I have this in my CF) will not work all right in master mode :-( |
| 18:35.10 | nostromo | question: is there a way to flash a zimage w/o flashing a initrd at the same time? |
| 18:35.14 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:35.17 | trilluser | Kergoth: sorry, im at a friends house and just wanted to check out the development.. he just wrote "fisse" which is "c*nt" in Danish... He's drunk and stupid. |
| 18:35.20 | kergoth | you can flash either of them independently of the other |
| 18:35.28 | kergoth | trilluser: hah |
| 18:35.30 | kergoth | trilluser: k |
| 18:35.42 | trilluser | tra la la |
| 18:35.49 | nostromo | kergoth: pressing just "C" for code and "D" for data ? (a guess) |
| 18:36.03 | kergoth | nope |
| 18:36.05 | kergoth | same procedure |
| 18:36.10 | kergoth | just put only one file on the card |
| 18:36.20 | nostromo | OK. |
| 18:36.36 | kergoth | note that a flash of any sort will result in your mtdram being wiped |
| 18:37.22 | nostromo | I'll check. My mtdram is mostly empty, I use a SD for files and some packages. |
| 18:37.30 | trilluser | My friend is a sorry looser, who doesn't wan't to drink bad time! |
| 18:38.20 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:38.20 | AndyQ | kergoth: ntpdate isn't in the 3.1rc1 feed yet - is it ok to use the one from unstable? |
| 18:38.30 | kergoth | nostromo: are the hostap modules in debian do you know offhand? |
| 18:38.44 | kergoth | nostromo: curious regarding package naming w/ regard to pcmcia modules, specifically the hostap ones |
| 18:38.48 | kergoth | AndyQ: yep |
| 18:38.54 | AndyQ | k |
| 18:38.56 | kergoth | AndyQ: at the time of release, testing and unstable will be identical |
| 18:39.07 | kergoth | AndyQ: until new fixes come down, which will go into untsable only until they're confirmed to be sane |
| 18:39.15 | AndyQ | kergoth: sorry - I meant the one from OZ 3.0 unstable |
| 18:39.31 | nostromo | kergoth: I don't know. I'm checking now. |
| 18:39.47 | nostromo | I'm on cvs since before the summer :-) |
| 18:40.17 | kergoth | AndyQ: ? |
| 18:40.21 | kergoth | AndyQ: 3.0 is the stable branch |
| 18:40.26 | kergoth | AndyQ: 3.1rc1 is testing |
| 18:40.31 | kergoth | AndyQ: unstable isnt tagged with a version |
| 18:40.35 | AndyQ | kergoth: http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ |
| 18:40.43 | kergoth | yep, thats unstable |
| 18:40.44 | kergoth | just unstable |
| 18:40.56 | kergoth | hey ibz |
| 18:41.01 | AndyQ | i was assuming that that was 3.0 branch as 3.1rc1 is in http://www.openzaurus.org/official/3.1rc1/feed/ |
| 18:41.01 | ibz | ehlo! |
| 18:41.11 | kergoth | AndyQ: no |
| 18:41.12 | noda | Back :) |
| 18:41.14 | AndyQ | k |
| 18:41.16 | ibz | topic says it all...or not? |
| 18:41.24 | AndyQ | stand corrected :) |
| 18:41.26 | kergoth | AndyQ: 3.0 is http://openzaurus.org/official/3.0/feed, aka http://openzaurus.org/official/stable/feed/ |
| 18:41.30 | noda | kergoth: Though, unstable *could* be tagged with a version, if there were a 4th branch. |
| 18:41.36 | kergoth | noda: yep |
| 18:41.43 | noda | I think I only hard-coded a "2" in *one* place. |
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| 18:42.24 | ibz | kergoth: could you summarise some of the issues you've been having with 3.1? |
| 18:42.39 | nostromo | kergoth: Latest official release in "hostap.epitest.fi" is 2002-10-12, latest debian seems to be 2002-09-12 |
| 18:43.04 | kergoth | nostromo: understood. and its distributed as a hostap-source package, which gets built in a kernel build with make-kpkg, right? |
| 18:43.15 | kergoth | nostromo: i note i see no binary hostap modules packages, it must be in kernel-modules, eh? |
| 18:43.24 | nostromo | I'm not sure. |
| 18:43.28 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:43.37 | nostromo | I don't currently use debian, I'm more like "rpm" :-) |
| 18:43.42 | kergoth | eww rpm |
| 18:43.44 | kergoth | :P |
| 18:43.49 | nostromo | I will start soon to try debian packaging. |
| 18:43.59 | noda | Sheesh, people. 'make' is the only way to go :) |
| 18:44.00 | randy | coke! pepsi! |
| 18:44.30 | nostromo | noda: with a good enough Rules.make, you could deply, upgrade and uninstall binaries just with make :-) |
| 18:44.38 | noda | Yep :) |
| 18:44.54 | noda | All it takes is obstinacy :) |
| 18:45.13 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:45.21 | kergoth | hostap isnt in kernel-modules, not the one i'm on anyway |
| 18:45.36 | kergoth | guess the binary modules arent in unstable, probably because its in such flux, and is still versioned with a date :) |
| 18:45.49 | nostromo | kergoth: sometimes around may, it changed name, from "prism2" to "hostap" |
| 18:46.07 | kergoth | nostromo: yeah, i noticed that, it confused me for a few minutes until i realized wtf was up |
| 18:46.30 | kergoth | nostromo: in oz, they're named prism2, though it was -after- they changed to prism2, i renamed them back to retain compatibility with familiar, which still calls theirs prism2 |
| 18:46.39 | kergoth | nostromo: we should name and package them properly for OZ |
| 18:46.40 | nostromo | (a clever trick from J. Malinen to get precedence in the loading of "*.opts") :-) |
| 18:46.48 | kergoth | nostromo: hah |
| 18:47.13 | noda | kergoth: I'm the nag king. What's the ETA on oz3.1rc1? :) |
| 18:47.24 | nostromo | hostap.opts is before orinoco.opts and prism2.opts :-P |
| 18:47.39 | kergoth | noda: testing the multikey fix now |
| 18:47.44 | noda | Cool :) |
| 18:48.03 | kergoth | noda: course theres still the hostap/pcmcia issues, dunno whats with that yet |
| 18:48.10 | AndyQ | kergoth: any idea whats up with pcmcia ? |
| 18:48.16 | noda | Ah. |
| 18:48.17 | AndyQ | hehe - timing :) |
| 18:48.31 | kergoth | AndyQ: not offhand, first i'm going to confirm multikey is fixed,t hen i'll jump on that |
| 18:48.34 | noda | So it'll be a few hours... guess I'll work on my lovely contract thingy then :) |
| 18:48.36 | AndyQ | k |
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| 18:49.15 | AndyQ | mmmmm almost time for a nice hot curry |
| 18:49.21 | nostromo | cool, my keys do work again :-) |
| 18:51.17 | nostromo | kergoth: # cardctl eject |
| 18:51.17 | nostromo | ioctl(): Device or resource busy |
| 18:51.41 | kergoth | nostromo: hm, thats odd. |
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| 18:51.52 | nostromo | I'm ssh-ing, so the card refuses to unload. |
| 18:52.19 | nostromo | It works from opie after I close the ssh sessions :-) |
| 18:52.25 | kergoth | shouldnt the cardctl eject cause cardmgr to run /etc/pcmcia/network stop, which should kill off the processes? |
| 18:52.31 | kergoth | or am i misunderstanding the flow? |
| 18:52.57 | mrwoody | hi! ... wass 0z3.1-rc1 releaed? |
| 18:53.08 | kergoth | mrwoody: i'm sanity checking the image now |
| 18:53.13 | randy | if you are using the device tho, should it eject? |
| 18:53.15 | kergoth | mrwoody: it appears to be working |
| 18:53.27 | mrwoody | kergoth: great... |
| 18:53.41 | mrwoody | kergoth: good luck with that... I will check it later |
| 18:53.43 | kergoth | interesting lecture from alan cox atm |
| 18:53.54 | kergoth | irc.uninet.edu #linux |
| 18:55.47 | prpplague | kergoth: ya hows that going? |
| 18:56.42 | kergoth | prpplague: well, very interesting stuff. |
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| 18:56.54 | aman | ARGH! my wifi network is just utterly fucked up |
| 18:57.34 | AndyQ | aman: do you use WEP? |
| 18:58.05 | nagROM | wireless excitement protocol |
| 18:58.18 | nagROM | wahh yaayyyy |
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| 18:59.02 | AndyQ | aman: if you do, edit /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts and youll probably have a line: KEY="=00000000000 restricted" |
| 18:59.12 | AndyQ | aman: remove the second = after the " |
| 18:59.46 | AndyQ | then, reboot your Z - you can't curreently pull out/eject and reinsert the wifi card coz it don't work |
| 18:59.55 | AndyQ | and the robert should be your fathers brother |
| 19:00.39 | kergoth | AndyQ: it puts an extraneous =? |
| 19:00.43 | kergoth | AndyQ: report that in mantis.. |
| 19:00.51 | AndyQ | kergoth: k |
| 19:01.53 | veritas | quick question. does anyone actually use the little "start menu" thats in qt? |
| 19:01.56 | kergoth | its probably a stupid bug we could fix ourselves, but report it anyway |
| 19:02.00 | kergoth | veritas: i dont, personally |
| 19:02.11 | veritas | i'm trying to figure out wtf it's there for. |
| 19:02.21 | veritas | seems redundant. |
| 19:02.44 | kergoth | myself, if i need to run an app when another app is running, i hit Home to return to the launcher and start it there |
| 19:02.45 | aman | heh |
| 19:02.53 | veritas | thats the same thing i do. |
| 19:02.57 | aman | i don't use wep |
| 19:03.00 | veritas | quicker. |
| 19:03.02 | aman | i'm using ad-hoc mode too |
| 19:03.05 | aman | its totally screwing it up |
| 19:03.19 | veritas | how about you guys hack it out of opie. |
| 19:03.27 | aman | i think someone's trying to use my network and the stupid cards are getting confused about who to connect to or something |
| 19:03.28 | kergoth | veritas: there are bigger priorities right now |
| 19:03.31 | aman | veritas heheh |
| 19:03.33 | kergoth | veritas: perhaps after them |
| 19:03.45 | nostromo | kergoth, veritas: a list of running tasks would be useful, sometimes to find them is tricky. |
| 19:03.53 | aman | kergoth whats the status |
| 19:03.59 | veritas | i was just making a suggestion. |
| 19:04.02 | kergoth | nostromo: yes, i want a method like the matchbox wm |
| 19:04.04 | aman | nostromo yea, i agree. submit it on mantis : www.opie.info/bugs |
| 19:04.04 | veritas | no hurry. |
| 19:04.31 | prpplague | kergoth: how you like that dev net+50 dev board? |
| 19:04.39 | prpplague | kergoth: deb is suppose to ship me one monday |
| 19:04.47 | veritas | where can i make suggestions for oz? |
| 19:04.54 | kergoth | veritas: opie and oz both have bug tracking systems |
| 19:04.59 | aman | veritas that's opie stuff. go to opie.info/bugs |
| 19:05.07 | aman | opie = gui stuff |
| 19:05.07 | kergoth | veritas: use them. they facilitate feature request tracking as well as bugs |
| 19:05.12 | aman | oz = backend |
| 19:05.30 | AndyQ | veritas: I use the menu sometimes |
| 19:05.34 | veritas | oh. you guys don't screw with opie at all? |
| 19:05.35 | nostromo | kergoth: it looks like the hostap driver we have is "oldie". |
| 19:05.37 | aman | time to order that AVR |
| 19:05.39 | nostromo | wlan0: prism2_tx - to BAP0 failed |
| 19:05.39 | nostromo | prism2: wlan0: resetting card |
| 19:05.39 | nostromo | prism2_pccard_cor_sreset: original COR 41 |
| 19:05.39 | nostromo | prism2_hw_init() |
| 19:05.39 | nostromo | prism2_hw_config: initialized in 18730 iterations |
| 19:05.41 | nostromo | wlan0: prism2_tx - to BAP0 failed |
| 19:05.43 | kergoth | wtf |
| 19:05.43 | nostromo | prism2: wlan0: resetting card |
| 19:05.45 | kergoth | grr! |
| 19:05.45 | nostromo | prism2_pccard_cor_sreset: original COR 41 |
| 19:05.47 | nostromo | prism2_hw_init() |
| 19:05.49 | nostromo | prism2_hw_config: initialized in 18729 iterations |
| 19:06.00 | aman | nostromo how does that show its old? |
| 19:06.02 | aman | kergoth what? |
| 19:06.03 | kergoth | nostromo: alrighty, i'll have it upgraded shortly |
| 19:06.09 | kergoth | aman: we're on a hostap build from may. |
| 19:06.11 | aman | ok |
| 19:06.13 | veritas | andyQ: could you live without it? |
| 19:06.18 | ||ugh | Is the working -pre1 in the same place as the borked one? |
| 19:06.18 | nostromo | It dumps a lot of info in dmesg, resets the card every now and then. |
| 19:06.21 | aman | i know its old, but does it actually affect anything |
| 19:06.23 | kergoth | aman: typo in my multikey fix |
| 19:06.26 | aman | kergoth heh |
| 19:06.30 | kergoth | ||ugh: the new initrd.bin isnt available yet. wait. |
| 19:06.30 | aman | kergoth fix the fix :) |
| 19:06.36 | kergoth | i am :) |
| 19:06.54 | nostromo | aman: more CPU resources, micro locks, WEP hangs, ... |
| 19:07.01 | AndyQ | veritas: probably - its not a major issue - but why remove it? its not like it takes up any screen estate |
| 19:07.06 | aman | nostromo heheh, ok |
| 19:07.19 | ||ugh | Opps, gota goto to a meeting (Sans Z), got confiused by the topic line. Will check in again. Good luck. |
| 19:07.23 | veritas | would be more room to start apps. |
| 19:07.36 | aman | i think a list of running apps in the startmenu thing would be ideal |
| 19:07.37 | veritas | or have little icons running in the "tray" |
| 19:07.53 | aman | tricky though |
| 19:07.56 | kergoth | aman: just need to write a running apps applet |
| 19:08.06 | aman | i hate it when stuff doesn't have an icon or the icon doesn't show up in the bottom |
| 19:08.06 | kergoth | aman: and disable the runningappsbar, and the startmenu.. |
| 19:08.09 | aman | yea |
| 19:08.13 | kergoth | then b00m, life is good |
| 19:08.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:08.19 | veritas | perfect. |
| 19:08.23 | aman | i hate opie-irc |
| 19:08.24 | aman | grr. |
| 19:08.27 | veritas | more screen real-estate. |
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| 19:13.18 | nostromo | aman: opie-irc is a mess, because it auto-scrolls all the time :-) |
| 19:13.32 | kergoth | nostromo, aman: -> opie.info/bugs/ |
| 19:13.35 | kergoth | :P |
| 19:13.55 | nostromo | I've just killed opie-mail2, and the whole opie went down :-( |
| 19:14.02 | aman | nostromo yep |
| 19:14.06 | nostromo | (In the yes/no box) |
| 19:14.18 | kergoth | nostromo: the kill function atm kills opie itself |
| 19:14.20 | kergoth | nostromo: unfortunately |
| 19:14.21 | aman | kergoth i did, i even gdb'd and found the exact problem its submitted on mantis |
| 19:14.25 | kergoth | aman: good good |
| 19:14.45 | aman | prpplague do i want a DIP or a ssop or a soic chip |
| 19:15.23 | Onyx4 | morning |
| 19:15.30 | pb_ | aman: almost certainly DIP |
| 19:15.33 | nostromo | kergoth: killall -1 addressbook doesn't kill opie as a whole. |
| 19:16.40 | nostromo | kergoth: could it be a workaround? |
| 19:16.45 | prpplague | aman: if you are doing this by hand, you want DIP |
| 19:17.02 | kergoth | nostromo: of course. its a stupid bug |
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| 19:18.13 | Bovine | oooh, OZ3.1RC1 worky now? |
| 19:18.23 | kergoth | yeah, doing a couple last minute minor fixes now |
| 19:18.36 | Bovine | I'll wait 5 then :D |
| 19:18.39 | Onyx4 | what did I miss? |
| 19:18.46 | aman | what's "com temp" vs "ind temp" |
| 19:19.05 | aman | Onyx4 i think there's a new op2 ipk around somewhere. |
| 19:19.15 | aman | Onyx4 we reverted back to qtebeta2 |
| 19:19.16 | Onyx4 | yes let me update it |
| 19:19.26 | pb_ | aman: commercial vs industrial temperature range. commercial should be fine for you. |
| 19:19.26 | aman | Onyx4 stuff works, last minute multikey fixes pending |
| 19:19.32 | aman | pb_ alright |
| 19:21.11 | AndyQ | k - off for a curry - later |
| 19:21.53 | aman | AT90S1200-4PC 4MHZ,PDIP,COM TEMP,3V |
| 19:21.56 | aman | i'm getting 3 of those |
| 19:21.57 | aman | sound good/ |
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| 19:23.34 | nostromo | do you know of a reasonable package to manage GSM SMS (short messages) from the Z using irda? |
| 19:23.39 | Onyx4 | ok I bk pushed a new op2 |
| 19:23.50 | nostromo | and the phone address book, as a gift :-) |
| 19:24.15 | kergoth | nostromo: try asking in #opie |
| 19:24.19 | nostromo | ok |
| 19:24.42 | kergoth | aman: wanna know why multikey is b0rked? |
| 19:24.53 | kergoth | aman: it'll be borked on ipaq too, just nobody has tested a recent build |
| 19:25.07 | aman | why/ |
| 19:25.23 | kergoth | aman: multikey -lqpickboard .. it depends on libqpickboard.. but libqpickboard ISNT in /opt/QtPalmtop/lib, its IN /opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/inputmethods/, because its an inputmethod itself! |
| 19:25.37 | kergoth | aman: and of course the inputmethods dir isnt in our LD_LIBRARY_PATH... |
| 19:25.40 | kergoth | aman: b00m. |
| 19:26.10 | kergoth | aman: i'm adding /opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/inputmethods to the rpath for multikey so we dont have to fuck with our LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 19:26.27 | dep | multikey in unstable has been broken for a couple of weeks,,,kept having to revert to the stable version |
| 19:26.28 | __Ibz | wherez arm-linux-ldd at? |
| 19:26.35 | aman | kergoth hah |
| 19:26.36 | kergoth | dep: thats what i'm referring to. |
| 19:26.47 | aman | kergoth sounds easy enough to fix :) |
| 19:26.49 | kergoth | aman: indeed |
| 19:26.57 | kergoth | aman: i'll commit the fixes into opie cvs, to fix it for everybody |
| 19:27.07 | aman | great |
| 19:27.25 | kergoth | aha, i noticed earlier |
| 19:27.27 | Onyx4 | Ibz: I wish there was one |
| 19:27.31 | kergoth | that i split out libc6-utils for glibc 2.3.1 |
| 19:27.34 | kergoth | but didnt for 2.2.4! |
| 19:27.36 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:27.37 | _ibz | Onyx4: there is... |
| 19:28.08 | _ibz | Onyx4: kergoth got one somewhere ;) wink wink |
| 19:28.27 | kergoth | ldd runs ld-linux.so |
| 19:28.33 | kergoth | i.e. it must be run natively |
| 19:28.37 | kergoth | afaik |
| 19:28.43 | kergoth | so i just arm-linux-objdump -x |
| 19:28.46 | kergoth | dump the headers directly |
| 19:29.22 | _ibz | ah |
| 19:29.34 | _ibz | but you have a native ipk? |
| 19:29.38 | aman | bah. |
| 19:29.44 | kergoth | _ibz: the libc6-utils package will include it |
| 19:29.51 | kergoth | _ibz: ldconfig and ldd are now split out into their own ipk |
| 19:29.52 | _ibz | ok cool |
| 19:29.59 | kergoth | _ibz: as ldconfig is like 500k or some shit |
| 19:30.06 | kergoth | oh hell yes |
| 19:30.06 | kergoth | Image size 10297364 Bytes (10056 KB, 9.820 MB) |
| 19:30.07 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.10 | kergoth | aman: look at that shit |
| 19:30.12 | kergoth | ! |
| 19:30.29 | aman | nice |
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| 19:32.20 | chouimat | kergoth: what new? |
| 19:32.27 | kergoth | chouimat: oz 3.1rc1 works. |
| 19:32.48 | chouimat | was speaking about the 4407KB free |
| 19:32.51 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:33.05 | veritas | is it done? |
| 19:33.10 | aman | it is done. |
| 19:33.12 | kergoth | chouimat: split ldconfig out of the image into a seperate ipk, and use ldconfig -r to generate a ld.so.cache for hte image |
| 19:33.14 | chouimat | kergoth: no usb net here :( |
| 19:33.19 | veritas | bling. |
| 19:33.25 | aman | done it is. |
| 19:33.28 | aman | sex. |
| 19:33.43 | aman | jeez, this cvs pull is taking forever |
| 19:33.45 | kergoth | aman: doing one final flash to confirm the multikey fix (i just confirmed the rpath cahnge is in the lib) |
| 19:33.46 | veritas | where can i get the little bitch. |
| 19:34.08 | veritas | uh oh. so it's not released. |
| 19:34.19 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:34.23 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm playing with djview |
| 19:34.30 | kergoth | veritas: i didnt say it was |
| 19:34.36 | kergoth | veritas: we said it was done, which it is |
| 19:35.17 | veritas | hokay |
| 19:35.29 | veritas | guess i will pine away for a release. |
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| 19:37.38 | dep | kergoth: it is possible to put 'ed' into busybox? sometimes it is really handy for a quick fix |
| 19:38.27 | Bovine | soo, is it safe to d/l OZ3.1RC1 yet? |
| 19:38.43 | kergoth | Bovine: considering its not available somewhere you can download it, no |
| 19:39.04 | Bovine | heh, when will it be avail? |
| 19:39.11 | kergoth | can everyone shut up please? |
| 19:39.12 | kergoth | jesus |
| 19:39.19 | kergoth | you think itll be out any faster asking me every 10 minutes? |
| 19:39.21 | Bovine | :D |
| 19:39.28 | *** mode/#openzaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 19:39.35 | Bovine | sowwy kergoth |
| 19:39.35 | *** kick/#openzaurus [Bovine!~kergoth@oemx.digi.com] by kergoth (dont make me turn this car around and go home!) |
| 19:39.36 | *** join/#openzaurus Bovine (~moo@dsl-217-155-87-1.zen.co.uk) |
| 19:39.42 | Bovine | :P |
| 19:39.46 | *** mode/#openzaurus [-o kergoth] by kergoth |
| 19:39.56 | Bovine | don't trust your self with ops? :D |
| 19:39.58 | aman | heh |
| 19:40.04 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:40.07 | kergoth | not necessary |
| 19:40.46 | _ibz | all this anticipating...where's themastermind? i want his head!!! ;) |
| 19:40.59 | kergoth | _ibz: aman = tmm1 |
| 19:41.02 | *** topic/#openzaurus by Bovine -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | Women are hyperthreaded. | OZ3.1rc1 IS ALIVE! | But not quite yet, don't ask kergoth :D |
| 19:41.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:42.03 | _ibz | kergoth: alter-egos work kinda well on irc...shame you can't go by anything else |
| 19:42.08 | aman | _ibz what? |
| 19:42.15 | _ibz | hehe |
| 19:42.28 | _ibz | hehe |
| 19:42.58 | kergoth | HA |
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| 19:44.29 | ibz | ha, there, i've seen things from kergoth pont of view now...ya'll should just shut up...rc1 will be out when it's out. |
| 19:44.36 | aman | rofl |
| 19:47.23 | aman | where do i find docs on qte functions |
| 19:47.31 | not_kergoth | aman: doc.trolltech.com |
| 19:48.43 | not_kergoth | Onyx4: btw, our opie build is b0rked due to the qtdir->staging thing |
| 19:48.49 | not_kergoth | Onyx4: ill fix |
| 19:50.20 | aman | m_textview->ensureVisible(0, m_textview->contentsHeight()); |
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| 19:50.27 | aman | that looks like the offending line in opieirc |
| 19:53.41 | Onyx4 | kergoth: what was missing? |
| 19:54.09 | kergoth | Onyx4: not sure, focused on getting this image out |
| 19:54.12 | kergoth | Onyx4: ill get back to you |
| 19:54.21 | Onyx4 | I mean it's supposed to be meant that if you build opie, you also mrproper qte to get a new snapshot |
| 19:54.35 | Onyx4 | I did it so that other aps don't have to be rebuilded |
| 19:54.41 | Onyx4 | but opie needs to link with the real QT |
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| 19:54.51 | kergoth | well |
| 19:54.54 | Onyx4 | because it puts it's libraries there |
| 19:54.57 | kergoth | the opie build uses .cpp and .h files from qt directly |
| 19:55.04 | Onyx4 | yeah that too |
| 19:55.07 | kergoth | Onyx4: .. we want opie's libs in staging regardless :) |
| 19:55.13 | Onyx4 | I copy them too |
| 19:55.19 | kergoth | Onyx4: really i'd like to see opie dumping its libs in $(OPIEDIR)/lib/ |
| 19:55.23 | kergoth | imho |
| 19:55.27 | kergoth | but anyway |
| 19:55.39 | Onyx4 | yeah that'd be better I think too |
| 19:56.08 | sambatron | hey, what happened to www.openzaurus.org/feeds ? |
| 19:56.16 | kergoth | sambatron: structure change |
| 19:56.18 | aman | we ate it |
| 19:56.23 | kergoth | chomp chomp |
| 19:56.23 | sambatron | where is it now ? |
| 19:56.26 | testuser | go to /official |
| 19:56.31 | sambatron | ok |
| 19:56.32 | kergoth | ibot: oz feed |
| 19:56.34 | | extra, extra, read all about it, oz feed is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ |
| 19:56.43 | kergoth | sambatron: its actually been gone for a long time, but i kept around symlinks |
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| 19:56.55 | bisho | Hi! |
| 19:57.18 | bisho | Anybody knows which are the best parameters to format a SD card with ext2? |
| 19:57.23 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:57.26 | kergoth | mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 |
| 19:57.38 | kergoth | what parameters? |
| 19:57.39 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:57.48 | bisho | for example blocksize |
| 19:58.08 | bisho | I think 1k blocks are priority in such small devices |
| 19:58.30 | bisho | any other important option to optimize for small devices ext2? |
| 19:58.32 | kergoth | bisho: do some performance testing. get numbers and figure it out. |
| 19:58.43 | aman | hmm |
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| 19:59.14 | noda | oo! |
| 19:59.18 | noda | Er, Moo! |
| 19:59.20 | chouimat | moooooooooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 19:59.31 | kergoth | oo! |
| 19:59.36 | ibz | foo |
| 19:59.41 | kergoth | boo |
| 19:59.44 | Dessimat0r | c00' |
| 19:59.45 | noda | I've just built myself a computer minus the case. Who thinks it'll boot? :) |
| 20:00.10 | noda | Erm. /me plugs the computer in. How 'bout now? :) |
| 20:00.21 | veritas | i'll put my "yay" in |
| 20:00.46 | veritas | mines currently running on a motherboard tray in a cardboard box. |
| 20:01.28 | aman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.35 | aman | i wonder if that woudl fix it.. |
| 20:01.47 | aman | someone feel like recompiling opieirc and testing :) |
| 20:02.00 | veritas | heh. no monitor. |
| 20:02.03 | veritas | sweet. |
| 20:02.22 | noda | I just gotta wait a few minutes and I SHOULD see a dhcp packet going over my dhcp server :) |
| 20:02.39 | noda | Aargh, what the fuck are the chances it'll work :P |
| 20:02.43 | aman | someone test my opieirc fix :) |
| 20:02.45 | aman | please :) |
| 20:03.19 | veritas | just walk around on trash day for a new monitor. |
| 20:03.26 | aman | kergoth progress? |
| 20:03.50 | veritas | thats how i found my monitors. |
| 20:04.04 | bisho | Why ext2 is sooooo slow? :( |
| 20:04.09 | aman | bisho turn off sync |
| 20:04.10 | veritas | behind computer stores you find some interesting shit too. |
| 20:04.17 | bisho | even without the sync option... |
| 20:04.54 | bisho | file & directory creation just crawls... |
| 20:05.09 | bisho | copy data is fast (nosync) |
| 20:05.38 | bisho | You are using ext2 for the SD cards? |
| 20:05.45 | sambatron | type11error: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for opie-addressbook: |
| 20:05.45 | sambatron | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.48 | bisho | I want to have the / on the SD... |
| 20:05.54 | sambatron | what does that mean ? |
| 20:06.08 | bisho | And I don't want a vfat without permisions and so on... |
| 20:06.22 | kergoth | sambatron: chances are you have the zuaruszone feed enabled in yoru ipkg.conf |
| 20:06.25 | kergoth | sambatron: disable it. |
| 20:06.30 | sambatron | great |
| 20:07.03 | kergoth | sambatron: there are -old- opie packages in teh zz feed, but ipkg believees they're newer due to different versioning. you dont want those |
| 20:07.43 | noda | Hrm. Am I the only person who keeps defective parts? |
| 20:08.12 | sambatron | kergoth : I see, and the problems with apmd and libapm ? |
| 20:08.19 | noda | My God... I just put this broken Voodoo3 back in my drawer of parts! After finding out YET AGAIN that it's broken :P |
| 20:08.24 | kergoth | sambatron: ipkg remove apmd. then ipkg install apmd and libapm1 |
| 20:08.32 | kergoth | sambatron: ill fix the upgrade path soon, need to get this release out first |
| 20:08.51 | veritas | noda: call whoever owns 3dfx now and they will send you a new one. |
| 20:09.01 | veritas | as long as you haven't registerd it yet. |
| 20:09.08 | sambatron | kergoth : but it says that opie.base depends on apmd |
| 20:09.25 | kergoth | sambatron: yes, it does. force the removal |
| 20:09.30 | veritas | i just got a warantee replacement on a hard drive that i've had for 3 years. |
| 20:09.44 | veritas | "i got it a month ago" muhahaha |
| 20:09.44 | sambatron | kergoth : how do I force the removal ? |
| 20:09.52 | kergoth | sambatron: ipkg told you in the output. read. |
| 20:09.54 | noda | veritas: Ha, nVidia? I doubt they haev any |
| 20:10.05 | veritas | they will send you something. |
| 20:10.35 | veritas | or mail it to me. i'll do it. hah. |
| 20:10.36 | bisho | kergoth: which filesystem do you use for SD cards? |
| 20:10.44 | kergoth | bisho: ext2 |
| 20:11.00 | bisho | aham... |
| 20:11.14 | veritas | ya'll have fun. |
| 20:11.16 | noda | veritas: Heh, it's damned old too. Warranty MUST be expired by now. |
| 20:11.31 | veritas | not if you haven't regiesterd it yet. |
| 20:11.42 | veritas | they don't know you didn't buy it yesterday. |
| 20:12.11 | noda | veritas: Erm. It's been discontinued for HOW many years now? :) |
| 20:12.29 | noda | Since 2000 I think. |
| 20:12.32 | veritas | doesn't matter. their obligated by warantee to offer you a replacement. |
| 20:12.50 | veritas | i've gotten more free shit from calling companies with broken shit. |
| 20:12.56 | noda | Hrm, that could be fun :) |
| 20:13.15 | veritas | i've been riding this microsoft natural keyboard from when they first introduced them. |
| 20:13.15 | noda | Dammit, looks like pressing F1 didn't work. Oh! But I know of a great 14", 640x480 monitor I can use :) |
| 20:13.25 | veritas | everytime it breaks they just send me a new one. |
| 20:13.38 | veritas | they don't even ask me to send them back. |
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| 20:14.03 | veritas | i'm on number 5. the first one didn't even have a windows key. |
| 20:14.30 | noda | lol |
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| 20:14.50 | kergoth | multikey works again |
| 20:14.51 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:15.00 | veritas | the longer you wait the more of a chance you will get something newer. |
| 20:15.37 | *** part/#openzaurus guised (guised@S64-216.DATANET.NYU.EDU) |
| 20:16.10 | noda | kergoth: Woo! Now just wireless then release? :) |
| 20:16.21 | *** join/#openzaurus nadav (~smbj@64.30.163.182) |
| 20:16.56 | kergoth | noda: not going to update hostap for this release, ill do that for -rc2. but i will fix that extranious = in the WEP KEY line in wireless.opts .. networksetup bug |
| 20:18.32 | *** join/#openzaurus Laze (~Laze@212.10.10.204) |
| 20:19.48 | kergoth | aman: did you see andyq's extranious = WEP key bug? |
| 20:19.53 | kergoth | aman: oh you're not using wep.. hm |
| 20:20.07 | noda | Ah, that's why it wouldn't boot - it was looking for a second hard drive :) |
| 20:20.17 | noda | kergoth: I'm using WEP... :) |
| 20:20.39 | kergoth | noda: here, ill stuff this image in unofficial. test WEP please. |
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| 20:20.47 | pnis | hi |
| 20:20.51 | kergoth | noda: i'm looking in the code, and it looks just fine. |
| 20:20.51 | noda | Sure. |
| 20:20.56 | kergoth | noda: cant see where the = would come from |
| 20:21.12 | pnis | I saw the new feed of z3rc1 |
| 20:21.14 | Onyx4 | kergoth: you included kismet-qt, zuc and zipsc? |
| 20:21.19 | noda | kergoth: Lemme know when it's there :) |
| 20:21.22 | Onyx4 | they all compile now |
| 20:21.24 | kergoth | Onyx4: i havent built for the feed yet. |
| 20:21.27 | pnis | is there a reason why mplayer and xmms was left out ? |
| 20:21.27 | kergoth | Onyx4: i'm building the image now |
| 20:21.30 | pnis | or plain accident? |
| 20:21.31 | Onyx4 | ok |
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| 20:21.37 | kergoth | pnis: |
| 20:21.37 | kergoth | 14:34 < kergoth> Onyx4: i havent built for the feed yet. |
| 20:21.38 | kergoth | 14:34 < kergoth> Onyx4: i'm building the image now |
| 20:21.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:21.53 | pnis | ah |
| 20:21.54 | pnis | :) |
| 20:22.00 | pnis | ok, sorry |
| 20:22.05 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:22.27 | pnis | so the touchscreen has been fixed? |
| 20:22.30 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:22.36 | pnis | what was the problem by the way? |
| 20:22.43 | pnis | for layman |
| 20:22.55 | kergoth | TT changed the define for sharp from EBX to SL5XXX |
| 20:23.00 | kergoth | our configs defined EBCX |
| 20:23.02 | kergoth | EBX |
| 20:23.04 | kergoth | b00mm |
| 20:23.04 | pnis | ah! |
| 20:23.09 | kergoth | so qt/e was built without any Z specific bits |
| 20:23.13 | kergoth | hence, no keyboard, no touchscreen, etc |
| 20:23.14 | pnis | oh |
| 20:23.19 | pnis | heh |
| 20:23.26 | kergoth | then we had another bug or tow |
| 20:23.30 | noda | Ah :) |
| 20:23.33 | kergoth | qt/e's latest bleeding edge snapshot is b0rked |
| 20:23.37 | kergoth | causes a opie segfault |
| 20:23.38 | pnis | ah |
| 20:23.42 | kergoth | so had to backrev to beta2 |
| 20:23.45 | kergoth | then everything was happy |
| 20:23.49 | pnis | cool |
| 20:24.00 | pnis | good to hear it's all fixed now |
| 20:24.04 | noda | So, they changed the EBX stuff without telling anyone? |
| 20:24.14 | kergoth | noda: so it seems |
| 20:24.31 | pnis | I guess such things are prone to happen with cvs version |
| 20:24.35 | kergoth | noda: if we had been patching the sharp configs/ instead of dropping in our own, the ptach would have broken and we wouldve noticed |
| 20:24.47 | kergoth | noda: so we're patching them now, in case it ever happens again |
| 20:24.56 | noda | Ah. |
| 20:25.16 | kergoth | noda: initrd is uploading now, please confirm WEP works. its going into unofficial, the root of it |
| 20:25.24 | kergoth | another 3 mins |
| 20:25.36 | noda | Sure thing. |
| 20:25.47 | sambatron | iwpriv: error while loading shared libraries: libiw.so.24: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:25.47 | sambatron | iwconfig: error while loading shared libraries: libiw.so.24: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:26.09 | sambatron | that |
| 20:26.19 | sambatron | is kismet_monitor output |
| 20:26.23 | noda | kergoth: What's it capped at? |
| 20:27.06 | sambatron | ibot feeds |
| 20:27.12 | | feeds is probably listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or at http://zfi.zaurii.com/ |
| 20:27.12 | Onyx4 | sambatron: install wireless-tools ? |
| 20:27.40 | sambatron | Onyx4 installed and up to date |
| 20:27.49 | pnis | ibot pnis |
| 20:27.51 | | pnis: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 20:27.57 | pnis | ibot help |
| 20:28.09 | noda | ibot noda |
| 20:28.11 | | rumour has it, noda is a real world Clark Kent |
| 20:28.11 | sambatron | Onyx4 : which feed should I use for kismet ? |
| 20:28.22 | Onyx4 | sambatron: the rc1 |
| 20:28.25 | Onyx4 | when it's updated |
| 20:28.32 | sambatron | not testing ? |
| 20:28.36 | Onyx4 | nope |
| 20:28.36 | kergoth | ~/coding/userspace/buildroot-2.95$ ipkgfiles output/ipks/wireless-tools_24-1a_arm.ipk | grep libiw |
| 20:28.40 | kergoth | -rwxr-xr-x root/root 16068 2002-12-14 13:50:16 ./usr/lib/libiw.so.24 |
| 20:28.42 | kergoth | lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2002-12-14 13:50:16 ./usr/lib/libiw.so -> ./libiw.so.24 |
| 20:28.44 | Onyx4 | the rc1 will have my recent updated kismet package |
| 20:28.45 | kergoth | Onyx4: testing *is* rc1 |
| 20:28.48 | kergoth | kergoth@oemx |
| 20:28.49 | Onyx4 | ah |
| 20:28.53 | pnis | so ibot can be tought ? |
| 20:28.54 | noda | kergoth: It's done now right? :) |
| 20:28.55 | Onyx4 | nm |
| 20:29.02 | kergoth | noda: yeah |
| 20:29.05 | noda | Downloading :) |
| 20:29.06 | kergoth | noda: let me know how it goes |
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| 20:29.11 | kergoth | ibot: pnis is clueless |
| 20:29.13 | | okay, kergoth |
| 20:29.15 | kergoth | ibot: pnis |
| 20:29.17 | | i guess pnis is clueless |
| 20:29.17 | noda | lol |
| 20:29.20 | kergoth | :P |
| 20:29.21 | pnis | :) |
| 20:29.24 | pnis | cool |
| 20:29.42 | Dessimat0r | ibot Dessimat0r |
| 20:29.44 | | i guess dessimat0r is the overlord of the universe, ph34r him. |
| 20:29.44 | pnis | ibot: pnis is an ingenious young man, respected by all mortals on earth |
| 20:29.46 | | ...but pnis is already something else... |
| 20:29.52 | pnis | oho |
| 20:29.56 | pnis | ibot: pnis is an ingenious young man, respected by all mortals on earth |
| 20:29.58 | | ...but pnis is already something else... |
| 20:30.04 | kergoth | ibot: tell pnis about help |
| 20:30.06 | noda | lol |
| 20:30.06 | noda | Mwahaha. |
| 20:30.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:30.27 | noda | Dammit, sf.net is only sending to me at 120k/sec :( |
| 20:30.36 | kergoth | blah |
| 20:30.46 | noda | 20 whole seconds left :( |
| 20:30.48 | aman | hmm |
| 20:30.53 | Onyx4 | I wonder if this will work with the Z , a USB host CF card |
| 20:30.55 | Onyx4 | http://www.pocketpcjapan.com/main.html |
| 20:31.06 | noda | Oh, btw, has anybody ever seen this? When my USB cf reader is plugged into my computer, it won't boot. |
| 20:31.18 | noda | The entire computer simply does not start. |
| 20:31.23 | noda | No screens, no error messages. |
| 20:31.30 | noda | Writing to cf... |
| 20:31.31 | aman | someone edit noncore/net/opieirc/irchanneltab.cpp change m_textview->ensureVisible(0, m_textview->contentsHeight()); to m_textview->center(m_textview->visibleWidth()/2, m_textview->contentsHeight() - (m_textview->visibleHeight()/2)); |
| 20:31.37 | aman | and recompile :) |
| 20:31.47 | Dessimat0r | Onyx4: that USB host thing 0wnz! Think of the possibilities ;) |
| 20:31.50 | pnis | ibot: what do you think about pnis ? |
| 20:31.52 | | pnis: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:31.56 | Onyx4 | yeah !! |
| 20:31.59 | pnis | ibot: pnis |
| 20:32.01 | | methinks pnis is an ingenious young man, respected by all mortals on earth |
| 20:32.09 | pnis | cool:) |
| 20:32.10 | Dessimat0r | Onyx4: keyboard, mouse ;) |
| 20:32.14 | Dessimat0r | Onyx4: gamepad? |
| 20:32.37 | noda | Flashing... |
| 20:32.56 | sambatron | kismet_curses: error while loading shared libraries: kismet_curses: undefined symbol: __udivsi3 |
| 20:33.05 | Onyx4 | sambatron: update ncurses package |
| 20:33.07 | pnis | noda: I don't know, same thing used to happen when my hp laserjet was plugged in |
| 20:33.08 | aman | sambatron just wait for the rc1 feed, its fixed |
| 20:33.12 | Onyx4 | you need 5.3 |
| 20:33.13 | noda | Oh WOW, I'd love to have a USB CF card :) |
| 20:33.22 | Onyx4 | I wonder if it will require a new driver for that card |
| 20:33.25 | aman | kergoth can you compile me an opieirc with that code change so i can test it? :0D |
| 20:33.30 | sambatron | ok |
| 20:33.33 | sambatron | thanks Onyx4 |
| 20:34.49 | Dessimat0r | Wouldn't it work to bind /dev/hda1 to a usb host controller driver? |
| 20:34.53 | Dessimat0r | Dunno ;) |
| 20:35.00 | Onyx4 | I think the company has done linux drivers for that usb thing |
| 20:35.02 | Onyx4 | http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/index.html |
| 20:35.24 | noda | Dessimat0r: You have no clue :P |
| 20:35.27 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:35.28 | Dessimat0r | no |
| 20:35.43 | bisho | kergoth: I could test also rc1... |
| 20:35.50 | bisho | where is the initrd? |
| 20:36.02 | noda | openzaurus.org/unofficial/ |
| 20:36.06 | bisho | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/testing/ only lists zImages |
| 20:36.09 | noda | I'm just about done flashing :) |
| 20:36.39 | noda | Flashed :) |
| 20:36.44 | bisho | :) |
| 20:37.15 | Dessimat0r | 0wnage :D |
| 20:37.16 | aman | bisho its not released. calm down |
| 20:37.29 | noda | Reconfiguring all packages installed to root... |
| 20:37.34 | noda | ............... |
| 20:37.45 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:38.06 | Dessimat0r | it should let you play Pong while its doing that ;) |
| 20:38.18 | noda | Onyx4: I can't find the usb card anywhere on ratocsystems.com :) |
| 20:38.24 | noda | Hehehe |
| 20:38.38 | noda | A new level of impatience you've reached, eh, Dessimat0r :) |
| 20:38.59 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 20:39.04 | bisho | scummvm for fb will be on the rc1 feed? |
| 20:39.09 | kergoth | bisho: its not released. |
| 20:39.23 | noda | Starting Opie... |
| 20:39.29 | bisho | currenttly is only for X |
| 20:39.30 | Onyx4 | bisho: nobody put scummvm in OZ, except for picogui I think |
| 20:39.52 | bisho | kergoth: tell me when 3.1 is ready, and I will sync the mirror in spain |
| 20:40.09 | kergoth | bisho: should be a matter of minutes here |
| 20:40.16 | noda | Setting wep settings... |
| 20:40.38 | kergoth | s/3.2/gcc3.2/; |
| 20:41.15 | noda | kergoth: Outlook is not good :( |
| 20:41.21 | kergoth | noda: edit wireless.opts |
| 20:41.27 | kergoth | noda: paste the KEY line |
| 20:41.35 | pnis | kergoth: btw is mplayer & xmms going to be in the 3.2 feed? |
| 20:41.40 | kergoth | pnis: yes |
| 20:41.41 | aman | pnis yes |
| 20:41.46 | noda | Okay... also, I went to "eject card 0: Z-Com blah blah blah..." and I think the whole thing is frozen. |
| 20:41.50 | pnis | kergoth: cool, thanks |
| 20:41.51 | kergoth | noda: yep |
| 20:42.02 | kergoth | noda: cardctl eject will hang w/ wireless. fun huh? |
| 20:42.05 | kergoth | noda: not sure where the problem lies |
| 20:42.06 | *** join/#openzaurus Onyx4_ (onyx4@adsl-63-194-216-219.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 20:42.15 | Onyx4_ | shit just had a power outage |
| 20:42.19 | noda | Ah. Know what we need? "release notes" |
| 20:42.21 | Onyx4_ | like 1 second enough to reboot my cpu |
| 20:42.29 | kergoth | noda: we're going to need a better way to handle the gcc3 thing |
| 20:42.41 | kergoth | noda: proposed structure for official/ |
| 20:42.46 | Dessimat0r | a brownout, eh? |
| 20:43.04 | noda | kergoth: WEP works. |
| 20:43.07 | noda | I rebooted, and I can ping. |
| 20:43.15 | kergoth | noda: {armv4l-gcc3.2,armv4l-gcc2.95}/{stable,testing,unstable}/{feed,initrd.bin,zImage*} |
| 20:43.45 | noda | kergoth: Just let me know when you're implementing it and I'll fix up download.php. Or aman can do it :) |
| 20:43.54 | noda | kergoth: This image works with WEP :). But that ejecting doesn't work :) |
| 20:44.00 | kergoth | noda: the structure is already in place. |
| 20:44.06 | kergoth | noda: i'm symlinking everything back |
| 20:44.08 | kergoth | noda: hehe |
| 20:44.12 | kergoth | noda: go take a look |
| 20:44.29 | noda | Ooh :) |
| 20:44.33 | noda | I'm too scared :) |
| 20:44.37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:44.52 | kergoth | holy crap |
| 20:44.59 | kergoth | carsten wasnt kidding when he said he updated 500 files |
| 20:45.13 | kergoth | (i18n stuff) |
| 20:45.30 | noda | Whoa. |
| 20:45.34 | noda | kergoth: So... ready to release? :) |
| 20:46.02 | kergoth | noda: looks that way. that image worked? (other than the cardctl eject hang) |
| 20:46.10 | noda | Other than the hang, everything works great. |
| 20:46.14 | noda | Oh, well... |
| 20:46.16 | dep | kergoth: building libqpe1213...there are -DQT_QWS_EBX ...is the EBX ok there? |
| 20:46.23 | kergoth | noda: k |
| 20:46.25 | noda | The wlan0 didn't work until after I rebooted. I'll check if it works when I add/remove network card. |
| 20:46.31 | kergoth | dep: eh? |
| 20:46.37 | kergoth | dep: what is libqpe1213? |
| 20:46.40 | kergoth | noda: k |
| 20:46.58 | noda | Yeah, works on add/remove. |
| 20:47.02 | dep | libqpe snapshot from 1213 |
| 20:47.08 | kergoth | dep: ? |
| 20:47.15 | kergoth | dep: what libqpe snapshot from 1213? |
| 20:47.15 | noda | kergoth: I'll make a 'release notes' field in the release object. |
| 20:47.21 | kergoth | dep: we dont use a snapshot for libqpe. |
| 20:47.23 | noda | kergoth: Wait 10 minutes and it'll be ready for release :) |
| 20:47.29 | kergoth | dep: libqpe is in opie. we pull that from cvs directly. |
| 20:47.34 | kergoth | noda: k |
| 20:47.40 | kergoth | noda: ill be building the feed |
| 20:48.01 | kergoth | noda: the image is obviously already on sf, just need to move it over |
| 20:48.32 | noda | Right. |
| 20:48.38 | noda | That's why I'm working extra fast :P |
| 20:48.45 | bisho | Onyx4_: http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:bs43_cKlUOIC:www.gnurou.org/zaurus/+scummvm+alexandre+courbot&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 |
| 20:49.03 | bisho | Alexandre Courbot has summvm packages for FB... |
| 20:49.09 | bisho | Not pico-gui required. |
| 20:49.15 | kergoth | bisho: yes, he does |
| 20:49.24 | kergoth | bisho: i think onyx4 was saying its not built for the oz feeds atm |
| 20:49.24 | bisho | But right now his web page is not working |
| 20:49.55 | Adralian | I just flashed to the initrd.bin you were talking about and it ejects a D-link DCF-660W without a lockup. |
| 20:50.17 | noda | Dammit, I should really make an 'edit' thing for these release notes. But I'm gonna make it simple for now. |
| 20:50.22 | dep | hmmm....trying to read quickly as the build spits out stuff...it is building moc_filePermissions.cpp....wondering about the -DQT_QWS_EBX given your earlier comment about EBX define |
| 20:50.25 | bisho | kergoth: He tell me that it works for OZ3 |
| 20:50.32 | bisho | without any problem... |
| 20:51.00 | kergoth | bisho: cool |
| 20:51.03 | bisho | Just did it, reinstalled all the libs and games I mentioned, and it |
| 20:51.04 | bisho | works perfectly for me. All I can suggest is that you remove all the |
| 20:51.04 | bisho | libs, re-download all the ipks and try again from scratch. All the 5500 |
| 20:51.04 | bisho | Zaurii are identical, there is no reason why it wouldn't work for you, |
| 20:51.04 | bisho | especially since we now have exactly the same system. |
| 20:51.19 | kergoth | dep: ah its building opie, yeah, opie still has EBX floating around |
| 20:51.23 | kergoth | Adralian: good good |
| 20:51.32 | bisho | I was having problems with scummvm |
| 20:51.41 | bisho | and he upgraded to OZ3.0 |
| 20:51.49 | bisho | and no problems for him... |
| 20:52.12 | pnis | so the unofficial initrd is the final atm, I could just aswell flash it ? |
| 20:52.25 | kergoth | pnis: yep, its going to be copied over shortly. feel free tog rab it |
| 20:52.39 | pnis | ok I do! |
| 20:52.47 | aman | hmm |
| 20:52.50 | aman | so no bug with networkseutp? |
| 20:53.04 | kergoth | aman: noda used wep without seeing the bug.. doesnt seem to be |
| 20:53.12 | kergoth | aman: i cant test as i dont have a AP here |
| 20:53.41 | aman | ok |
| 20:53.48 | noda | I did have to reboot. Or at least, I think I had to take out the card and plug it back in. |
| 20:53.53 | aman | noda make sure we track download stats properly |
| 20:54.06 | aman | kergoth what about cardctl eject hanging |
| 20:54.09 | noda | aman: We do :) |
| 20:54.12 | pnis | noda: you are the webmaster ? |
| 20:54.12 | noda | aman: It's quite cool :) |
| 20:54.17 | noda | Actually, I'll double-check that. |
| 20:54.18 | noda | pnis: Yep |
| 20:54.29 | pnis | i see |
| 20:54.41 | noda | Send me money! :) |
| 20:54.41 | aman | grr. i wanna test this opieirc fix |
| 20:54.48 | aman | rofl noda |
| 20:55.02 | pnis | noda: ok, I am downloading the new intrd, how much was it ? |
| 20:55.04 | pnis | :) |
| 20:55.37 | noda | pnis: $500000 :) |
| 20:56.03 | noda | Okay, here's hoping my release notes work! :) |
| 20:56.05 | pnis | noda: hmm. ok I will stick to wince than :) |
| 20:56.18 | aman | windows CE-ME-NT |
| 20:56.43 | pnis | btw it is said that wince is about $3 out of the total price of a pda |
| 20:56.53 | pnis | does it sound like a good estimate? |
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| 20:57.24 | noda | Release notes working! :) |
| 20:57.27 | noda | Time to put 'em on sf.net :) |
| 20:57.32 | aman | cool |
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| 20:57.53 | noda | The big problem is that there's no HTML preview for them. Just code simple XHTML and close all your tags :) |
| 20:57.57 | noda | There's also no way to edit them :) |
| 20:58.05 | noda | (both of these will be changed in the future when I make a release object) |
| 20:58.05 | kergoth | no biggie |
| 20:58.16 | kergoth | we're going for functionality here, not perfection |
| 20:58.16 | kergoth | ;) |
| 20:58.30 | noda | Well, that's essential functionality I think. But more essential is speed! :) |
| 20:59.19 | aman | heh |
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| 20:59.33 | noda | kergoth: Right! Release notes should be available on openzaurus.org. I hope. |
| 20:59.36 | bisho | The MD5sum of the initrd-oz3.1rc1-1.bin? |
| 20:59.50 | noda | I'd recommend putting in a <ul> with a bunch of <li>'s :) |
| 21:00.29 | aman | noda where? i don't see releaes notes |
| 21:01.37 | noda | aman: There aren't any for any of the existing releases. |
| 21:01.53 | aman | ok.. fix up the downloads page then |
| 21:01.58 | noda | Why? |
| 21:02.04 | aman | why not? |
| 21:02.07 | noda | What's broken about it? |
| 21:02.18 | noda | It will show release notes :P |
| 21:02.27 | aman | ok |
| 21:02.27 | noda | Ah. I see now :) |
| 21:02.30 | noda | rofl |
| 21:03.37 | aman | so what is this release going ot be called? |
| 21:03.43 | noda | the devil |
| 21:03.46 | aman | heh |
| 21:03.52 | aman | dante |
| 21:03.56 | noda | Updated - thanks for pointing that out, aman :) |
| 21:04.00 | kergoth | the devil is the name for rc1 .. i dunno what we'll call 3.1 itself |
| 21:04.24 | nostromo | pnis: wince 3$ plus you give all your freedom ;-) (actually I don't know the cost) |
| 21:04.27 | dep | kergoth: multikey.pro:28: Parse error |
| 21:04.28 | aman | noda much better |
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| 21:04.52 | kergoth | dep: ? |
| 21:05.09 | noda | Dammit, what's andyq's feed again? I need to get sfcave :) |
| 21:05.10 | kergoth | dep: try CVS_PASSFILE=../../.cvspass cvs up in your opie |
| 21:05.15 | kergoth | noda: ? |
| 21:05.22 | kergoth | noda: sfcave is in opie, and hence in the unstable feed |
| 21:05.24 | aman | noda sfcave is part of opie |
| 21:05.29 | noda | kergoth: Yeah, but isn't his version newer? :) |
| 21:05.32 | aman | no |
| 21:05.35 | kergoth | nope |
| 21:05.38 | noda | oh :) |
| 21:05.43 | kergoth | he keeps the opie cvs up to date afaik |
| 21:05.48 | pnis | nostromo: ;) no, I trust Bill Gates, he knows what's good for me I am sure |
| 21:06.20 | aman | looks at oz.org in IE makes me want to puke |
| 21:06.30 | noda | Fun eh? :) |
| 21:06.41 | noda | Blame Microsoft :) |
| 21:06.45 | pnis | it looks different in ie ? |
| 21:06.52 | noda | Yep. |
| 21:06.55 | noda | ugly. |
| 21:07.02 | kergoth | noda: ready for release? |
| 21:07.03 | noda | On SOME computers, I think. |
| 21:07.04 | pnis | heh |
| 21:07.05 | noda | kergoth: Yep! |
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| 21:07.14 | kergoth | bisho: ping :) |
| 21:07.15 | noda | kergoth: Just make sure you triple-check your HTML in the release notes :) |
| 21:07.19 | kergoth | noda: k |
| 21:07.21 | dep | kergoth: huh? 'up in your opie'? |
| 21:07.30 | kergoth | dep: huh? |
| 21:07.40 | kergoth | dep: "CVS_PASSFILE=../../.cvspass cvs up" |
| 21:07.40 | bisho | tell me |
| 21:07.43 | aman | dep update your opie cvs sources |
| 21:07.47 | kergoth | dep: cd build/opie; CVS_PASSFILE=../../.cvspass cvs up; |
| 21:08.02 | noda | Oh, btw, did I tell anyone my high score in SFCave is not 1933? :) |
| 21:08.05 | noda | er, s/not/now |
| 21:08.06 | dep | kergoth: ok...got it now |
| 21:08.12 | noda | (it IS 1933) |
| 21:08.21 | bisho | kergoth: tell me |
| 21:08.42 | kergoth | bisho: testing files are ready to be mirrored |
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| 21:08.52 | kergoth | bisho: /official/testing/ |
| 21:08.58 | bisho | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/testing/ |
| 21:09.00 | kergoth | bisho: dont mirror the feed yet, but grab initrd.bin adnt he zImages |
| 21:09.01 | bisho | Ok |
| 21:09.06 | kergoth | bisho: still updating the feeds |
| 21:09.11 | bisho | ok |
| 21:09.14 | aman | we have feed mirroring/ |
| 21:09.16 | kergoth | numatrix: ping |
| 21:09.45 | aman | so, do we want to turn off mirrors if they don't have oz3.1 on them? |
| 21:10.19 | pnis | a $5000 fine is better- let them learn |
| 21:10.21 | pnis | :) |
| 21:10.22 | noda | kergoth: Btw, if you want to make a news item that links to the download page, link to download.php?release_id=3. Or something. It'll have the link in the left frame. |
| 21:11.21 | pnis | noda: this is a dumb question, but you can put any php/mysql stuff up on sf ? Sounds good! |
| 21:12.09 | kergoth | noda: k |
| 21:12.25 | noda | pnis: The whole site is in php/mysql. |
| 21:12.32 | noda | pnis: (so yes) |
| 21:12.46 | pnis | noda: yes, that's what made me wonder :) cool! |
| 21:12.48 | pnis | the site too |
| 21:12.50 | pnis | :) |
| 21:14.53 | noda | Hrm, I've built myself a nice computer. Now I gotta put my TV card on it and start having fun :) |
| 21:15.23 | noda | i.e., streaming TV over my network, VCR capabilities... |
| 21:15.48 | *** topic/#openzaurus by kergoth -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | Women are hyperthreaded. | OpenZaurus 3.1 release candidate 1 is now available. Testers wanted! http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/download?release_id=3 |
| 21:15.55 | kergoth | ibot: oz release |
| 21:15.57 | | oz release is, like, 3.0 |
| 21:16.05 | kergoth | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 21:16.07 | | somebody said oz prerelease was n/a |
| 21:16.13 | kergoth | ibot: no, oz prerelease is 3.1rc1 |
| 21:16.15 | | okay, kergoth |
| 21:16.17 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:16.23 | pnis | :) |
| 21:16.57 | noda | Whee! What fun! Now to make it go to 'news' automatically :) |
| 21:17.31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:17.43 | noda | Done :) |
| 21:17.57 | noda | Whoops... make your news thingy quick kergoth :) |
| 21:18.51 | noda | Woo! somebody from shawcable.net is the first one to download the OZ initrd.bin. |
| 21:18.53 | noda | No, wait, the second :) |
| 21:19.02 | bisho | kergoth: mirror updated |
| 21:19.08 | noda | First one was from telia.com |
| 21:19.13 | bisho | tell me when feed is ready |
| 21:19.23 | kergoth | noda: made the news item |
| 21:19.24 | bisho | I have to have dinner now |
| 21:19.28 | kergoth | bisho: okay, ttyl |
| 21:19.30 | dep | noda: that would be me |
| 21:19.36 | noda | Cool :) |
| 21:19.43 | noda | Now to get the mirrors to update. |
| 21:19.54 | noda | Oh, and kergoth, could you please rename the kernels to have .bin's at the end? |
| 21:20.18 | kergoth | noda: oh right. |
| 21:20.51 | kergoth | kergoth@sc8-pr-shell1:/home/groups/o/op/openzaurus/htdocs/official/testing$ for i in `ls --color=no zImage*|grep -v md5`; do mv $i $i.bin; done |
| 21:20.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:20.58 | kergoth | k |
| 21:21.05 | noda | No! |
| 21:21.15 | kergoth | im renaming the md5s now, chill |
| 21:21.18 | noda | That's gonna name .bin's twice, no? |
| 21:21.18 | kergoth | :P |
| 21:21.28 | noda | It won't recurse? :) |
| 21:21.30 | kergoth | there werent any .bins |
| 21:21.31 | kergoth | nope |
| 21:21.34 | noda | Ah, phew :) |
| 21:21.38 | kergoth | it replaces that * right away |
| 21:21.40 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:22.10 | kergoth | k done |
| 21:22.37 | noda | Sweet :) |
| 21:22.49 | kergoth | okay guys, pound on this |
| 21:23.03 | kergoth | i'm going to go update our BTS, remove the no longer applicable bugs, open a couple new ones |
| 21:26.40 | pnis | nice, now reconfigureing all packages installed ... |
| 21:27.32 | dep | noda: at the bottom of the download page, the links to the feeds are broken |
| 21:27.37 | caffeine^ | got it flashed and running with a symbol wireless...which feeds should i be using? |
| 21:27.59 | noda | Ah. Fun. |
| 21:28.53 | kergoth | noda: the links use feeds/ which was a symlink mess. point them to the dir within the selected release |
| 21:28.56 | kergoth | err |
| 21:28.56 | kergoth | no that wont work |
| 21:28.57 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:29.07 | noda | I'm updating now |
| 21:29.11 | kergoth | well you know what i'm saying. you need a list of the branches, with links to feed/ |
| 21:29.15 | kergoth | cool |
| 21:29.39 | noda | Yep |
| 21:29.57 | kergoth | feed build is still chugging away |
| 21:31.00 | noda | Okay, feed links fixed :) |
| 21:31.15 | noda | Boo! Opie crashed :( |
| 21:31.23 | ep0ch | when did the bootflag file go? |
| 21:31.25 | noda | No it didn't! |
| 21:31.30 | kergoth | noda: figured out how to structure the download page to accomidate my proposed structure change to official/? :) |
| 21:31.42 | noda | kergoth: Haven't even looked at it yet :P |
| 21:31.44 | kergoth | ep0ch: as of 3.0 we realized its not required |
| 21:31.50 | kergoth | noda: hehe. i know, just pestering ;) |
| 21:32.00 | kergoth | noda: get to work on your contract |
| 21:32.04 | dep | so unstable corresponds to rc1? |
| 21:32.09 | kergoth | dep: no |
| 21:32.14 | kergoth | dep: rc1 is testing |
| 21:32.15 | noda | kergoth: When waking up from suspend I get the message "Stopped (sign..."... I can't read more, because it's written to the framebuffer and then opie wrote over it :P |
| 21:32.22 | noda | There's also a "[0%" or something. |
| 21:32.24 | kergoth | dep: but right now, as of the release, testing and unstable are identical |
| 21:32.33 | kergoth | noda: odd |
| 21:32.42 | kergoth | noda: ah, could be apmd |
| 21:32.44 | dep | ok, testing it is then |
| 21:32.44 | kergoth | 0%.. |
| 21:32.45 | kergoth | battery |
| 21:32.49 | noda | I had my wireless card in, was playing sfcave. Let it idle out and then woke it up again. |
| 21:33.05 | kergoth | but apmd should be writing to /dev/console, which is null unless you're on a debug kernerl |
| 21:34.33 | noda | Hey, wow - bass/treble adjustments :) |
| 21:34.49 | noda | And alarm volume :) |
| 21:35.32 | pnis | so the feed is updated right now, and I should sit patiently and shut up ? |
| 21:35.45 | kergoth | eh? |
| 21:35.48 | kergoth | feed isnt updated |
| 21:35.53 | kergoth | i just said, its still building |
| 21:36.00 | kergoth | why doesnt anybody listen? |
| 21:36.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:36.08 | pnis | ah now I remember !:) |
| 21:36.14 | kergoth | ~lart pnis |
| 21:36.38 | *** part/#openzaurus astrom (~astrom@adsl-208-191-211-44.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net) |
| 21:36.42 | pnis | over 20 this is absent mindedness is probably normal |
| 21:37.42 | kergoth | hm, should add the noatime option to the ramdisk |
| 21:37.50 | kergoth | bah who cares |
| 21:38.12 | pnis | kergoth: good apetite. do you have a 386sx20 ? |
| 21:38.24 | pnis | that builds the feed |
| 21:38.50 | kergoth | pnis: dual p3 450. need to add my 1ghz tbird to the build w/ distcc one of these days |
| 21:39.06 | pnis | that sounds good |
| 21:40.03 | noda | mmm... I can't believe my TODO list is empty :) |
| 21:40.34 | pnis | noda: after reflashing ? |
| 21:40.34 | pnis | :) |
| 21:41.00 | noda | lol, no, my real-life TODO list. |
| 21:41.06 | noda | All I have to do is these contracts and study for exams. |
| 21:41.40 | pnis | cool |
| 21:41.46 | pnis | studying is fun anyway :) |
| 21:41.49 | pnis | what do you study? |
| 21:42.28 | noda | Erm. The Quebec education system is really weird, so this year I'm studying "Pure and Applied Sciences". Physics/Chemistry/Biology/Math. |
| 21:42.40 | noda | Plus English, French, etc. |
| 21:44.03 | pnis | sounds good |
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| 21:44.10 | pnis | that is in High Schhool? |
| 21:44.46 | noda | No, after high school. But before University. |
| 21:45.02 | noda | Called CEGEP and everybody in the province hates it. I don't know why it exists. |
| 21:45.08 | pnis | Is this something mandatory? |
| 21:45.09 | randy | wow |
| 21:45.14 | randy | dudes, this rocks |
| 21:45.15 | noda | If you want to get to university, yeah |
| 21:45.26 | pnis | hm that is indeed peculiar :) |
| 21:46.05 | pnis | so you study things you studied before than? |
| 21:46.46 | noda | Huh? Well... it's university-level classes. But you have to choose these "programs" that don't mean anything in the real world. |
| 21:47.18 | pnis | must be nice in deed |
| 21:47.20 | pnis | :) |
| 21:47.50 | pnis | we don't have that here - you can go learn lot of crap directly from the university after high school |
| 21:48.16 | noda | Yeah, stuff that will be useful in life :) |
| 21:48.52 | pnis | yes, very usefull :) |
| 21:48.56 | noda | !!! I'm so fucking stupid. |
| 21:49.20 | noda | I tried ejecting my sd card while copying stuff to it and it said "eject failed" so I unplugged the thing anyway :P |
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| 21:49.40 | noda | Well then. Let's see the damage I've dealt :) |
| 21:49.45 | AndyQ | hey |
| 21:49.49 | noda | AndyQ: Hey, did I tell you my high score in SFCave? 1933 |
| 21:49.51 | pnis | hi andyq |
| 21:50.06 | AndyQ | noda: BASTARD - 1645 me |
| 21:50.13 | noda | You'll never catch me! :) |
| 21:50.25 | AndyQ | noda: ahh - but whats your best score on gates - hard level? |
| 21:50.43 | noda | AndyQ: 260 or so.... you? |
| 21:50.53 | noda | I've only tried it once, I much prefer sfcave :) |
| 21:51.00 | AndyQ | about the same - can't remmeber what it was before I flashed :) |
| 21:51.08 | AndyQ | noda: hehe - my favorite is fly |
| 21:51.21 | noda | lol, too easy :) |
| 21:51.43 | AndyQ | try it on hard then :) |
| 21:51.50 | AndyQ | hey - where has the 3.1 feed gone? |
| 21:51.56 | noda | ibot oz feed |
| 21:51.57 | | [oz feed] http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ |
| 21:52.06 | AndyQ | ahh - you've moved it |
| 21:52.17 | noda | Yeah, they're all moved. The download page has the right links :) |
| 21:52.34 | AndyQ | did kergoth figure out the pcmcia problems? |
| 21:53.14 | noda | kergoth`bbl: There's no 'eject' in this image... |
| 21:53.22 | kergoth`bbl | noda: huh? |
| 21:53.33 | noda | I can't 'eject /mnt/card' because 'eject' doesn't exist. |
| 21:53.37 | kergoth`bbl | eh? |
| 21:53.38 | pnis | AndyQ: it is just being built |
| 21:53.42 | noda | the little card icon in my system tray doesn't have it either. |
| 21:53.44 | kergoth`bbl | noda: thats not how you eject sd. |
| 21:53.52 | noda | Erm, well, the little icon in opie can't do it :) |
| 21:53.53 | kergoth`bbl | noda: sd can be ejected flawlessly from cardmon. |
| 21:53.58 | kergoth`bbl | noda: i just did so 30 seconds ago. |
| 21:54.11 | noda | I booted with this thing plugged in, could that be why? |
| 21:54.18 | kergoth`bbl | yep, mine did that too |
| 21:54.22 | kergoth`bbl | try ejecting and reinserting |
| 21:54.25 | noda | Oh, or could it be... erm... because it's in use :P |
| 21:54.29 | kergoth`bbl | chances are, thatll fail to |
| 21:54.33 | AndyQ | kergoth`bbl: did you figure out the pcmcia issue? |
| 21:54.34 | kergoth`bbl | noda: if its in use, eject will fail |
| 21:54.35 | noda | I am such an idiot :P |
| 21:54.39 | kergoth`bbl | AndyQ: not as of yet, no |
| 21:54.48 | AndyQ | ahhh |
| 21:54.51 | kergoth`bbl | AndyQ: re the feed, the feed is being rebuilt as we speak |
| 21:55.30 | bisho | kergoth`bbl: I'm here again |
| 21:55.32 | dep | kergoth: rc1 works for me...restore of pim stuff failed, wi-fi worked fine |
| 21:55.46 | kergoth`bbl | dep: restore of what pim stuff? |
| 21:56.08 | dep | my buildroot died again because sulogin.o got an undefined reference to crypt |
| 21:56.20 | dep | all the pim data...no calendar, contacts, to-do |
| 21:56.25 | kergoth`bbl | nono you dont get it |
| 21:56.30 | kergoth`bbl | pim data from where? with what? from what? |
| 21:56.36 | kergoth`bbl | 'restore of pim data' doesnt tell me much |
| 21:57.05 | dep | backed it up with 'backup and restore' to sd, then restored it. |
| 21:57.17 | kergoth`bbl | backed it up with backup and restore from what oz version? |
| 21:57.23 | kergoth`bbl | backup and restore never worked until recently |
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| 21:57.47 | dep | i had the latest from unstable. |
| 21:57.49 | kergoth`bbl | could be that backup and restore still has quirks, i dunno. need more info |
| 21:57.58 | kergoth`bbl | okay and what do you mean by restore failed? |
| 21:58.01 | kergoth`bbl | does it error? |
| 21:58.05 | kergoth`bbl | or say successful but no data? |
| 21:58.45 | dep | said it was successful (though the error dialog should be fixed no to use the big red x) |
| 21:58.49 | dep | the files are on the sd |
| 21:58.59 | kergoth`bbl | what files? the .bck files? |
| 21:59.31 | dep | yup....there is a .bck file from today |
| 21:59.46 | kergoth`bbl | and none of your data was there after restoring? |
| 21:59.50 | kergoth`bbl | try extracting it manually |
| 21:59.54 | kergoth`bbl | iirc its just a tar.gz files |
| 21:59.56 | kergoth`bbl | s/s$// |
| 22:00.22 | dep | just about to do that |
| 22:00.28 | kergoth`bbl | k, let me know how that goes |
| 22:00.41 | kergoth`bbl | i'm curious as to whether its the backup file thats hosed, or if the restore function is messed up |
| 22:00.46 | kergoth`bbl | (in backup & restore) |
| 22:01.16 | bisho | kergoth`bbl: The feed is still not ready? |
| 22:01.32 | kergoth`bbl | bisho: what can i say, compiling XFree takes a while |
| 22:01.47 | kergoth`bbl | bisho: especially on my dual p3 450 |
| 22:01.59 | bisho | ok |
| 22:02.02 | bisho | don't worry |
| 22:05.05 | kergoth`bbl | noda: changelog browser says there are no changes in the devil |
| 22:05.12 | noda | Ack! |
| 22:05.23 | kergoth`bbl | noda: also, when i select the devil and hit submit, it shows at the top of the display 'dratsab (3.0)' or whatever, rathert han the devil |
| 22:05.53 | noda | Yeah, this is the same bug - I know why, too. |
| 22:06.02 | noda | It's because it's looking at the 'stable' branch, since dec 14. |
| 22:06.10 | kergoth`bbl | ahhh |
| 22:06.12 | kergoth`bbl | gotcha |
| 22:06.27 | noda | Will work on that right now. |
| 22:06.33 | noda | I REALLY need a release object! :( |
| 22:06.44 | kergoth`bbl | hehe. keep having to hack things instead of having a real solution eh |
| 22:07.06 | noda | Yeah, I didn't realize the magnitude of this omission :) |
| 22:08.25 | noda | AARGH, fuck, anyone ELSE wanna do this? :P |
| 22:08.41 | kergoth`bbl | hehe |
| 22:08.52 | noda | I'm not going to do it now - sorry, but I'm not. |
| 22:08.52 | dep | kergoth: the backup file is tar.gz alright. backs up root's Documents and Settings, but seems to miss Applications folder |
| 22:09.05 | kergoth`bbl | dep: it misses Applications? shit |
| 22:09.14 | noda | Oh, hey, did you notice this, even the 'testing' branch has "move to testing". Stupid of me, I thought it was everything BUT 'testing' but instead it's everything :) |
| 22:09.14 | kergoth`bbl | dep: so it gets application settings, but not application data? thats a -huge- bug |
| 22:09.24 | kergoth`bbl | noda: hehe |
| 22:09.35 | noda | oh, rofl, everything but 'unstable'. |
| 22:09.46 | noda | Oh, no, unstable'll do it but there are no changes there. Whoops :P |
| 22:09.46 | kergoth`bbl | noda: lol. reversed logic? |
| 22:09.47 | dep | kergoth: even in the backup pick list there is is just "Application settings" and "Documents" as options |
| 22:09.50 | kergoth`bbl | noda: hah |
| 22:09.57 | kergoth`bbl | dep: hmm |
| 22:10.01 | kergoth`bbl | dep: hold, i'll check the code |
| 22:11.56 | noda | kergoth`bbl: There've been 7 downloads of 3.1rc1, btw :) |
| 22:12.08 | pnis | add me to the list too :] |
| 22:12.14 | pnis | additionally |
| 22:12.17 | kergoth`bbl | noda: cool |
| 22:12.29 | testuser | 1 here |
| 22:12.47 | kergoth`bbl | testuser, pnis: the download page counts your downloads .. dont need to announce it to us :) |
| 22:13.05 | pnis | but I got it from /unofficial before release |
| 22:13.11 | kergoth`bbl | oh right |
| 22:13.12 | kergoth`bbl | :) |
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| 22:13.50 | pnis | works well, but aqpkg says something "404 error" or what - I don't know is it a bug ? |
| 22:13.52 | pnis | hehe |
| 22:14.07 | randy | think i found a minor doc bug in AQpkg |
| 22:14.11 | dep | pnis: the feeds have moved |
| 22:14.23 | pnis | dep: I know :) but they are not up yet either |
| 22:14.28 | testuser | logout doesnt segfault anymore, thats nice |
| 22:14.29 | kergoth`bbl | dep: the ipkg.conf in oz doesnt reference the old paths |
| 22:14.33 | kergoth`bbl | dep: it references the new ones |
| 22:14.34 | kergoth`bbl | :) |
| 22:15.18 | dep | yeah, though backup/restore was kind enough to restore that for me, though it couldn't be bothered with pim data, sigh |
| 22:15.40 | pnis | dep :) |
| 22:15.47 | pnis | dep though I know it's not actually funny |
| 22:16.06 | testuser | hmm, hit suspend while in console, now wont turn back on |
| 22:16.16 | kergoth`bbl | testuser: yep, thats correct |
| 22:16.27 | kergoth`bbl | testuser: when in console, run 'apm -s' or 'apm --suspend' to suspend |
| 22:16.33 | dep | not really a problem...i've been using my Z more as a linux play toy than a pim so far |
| 22:16.42 | testuser | is that bug or a fact of life |
| 22:16.50 | pnis | dep: ah ok that's good |
| 22:16.54 | *** topic/#openzaurus by AndyQ -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | Women are hyperthreaded. | OpenZaurus 3.1 release candidate 1 is now available. Testers wanted! http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/download?release_id=3whats your bug? |
| 22:17.00 | pnis | I archived using scp :) |
| 22:17.01 | AndyQ | randy: whats your bug? |
| 22:17.04 | kergoth`bbl | AndyQ: fix that please :) |
| 22:17.20 | *** part/#openzaurus guised (guised@S64-216.DATANET.NYU.EDU) |
| 22:17.46 | pnis | btw did you try op2 ? |
| 22:18.05 | AndyQ | sorry k - finxing |
| 22:18.12 | *** topic/#openzaurus by AndyQ -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | Women are hyperthreaded. | OpenZaurus 3.1 release candidate 1 is now available. Testers wanted! http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/download?release_id=3 |
| 22:18.19 | kergoth`bbl | AndyQ: thanks :) |
| 22:18.36 | bisho | :) |
| 22:18.42 | AndyQ | kergoth`bbl: np sorry about that - xchat gets its focus wrong, and adjusts the topic without me being aware of it :( |
| 22:18.45 | randy | AndyQ: two things now... first the docs say it does not uninstall. It seems to do that. second, the close button looks like it is not useable - turns to a unenabled state - when it really is enabled. |
| 22:18.52 | pnis | I mean divx/mpeg playback with op2 ? |
| 22:19.18 | AndyQ | randy: which docs - the internal help? and which close button? |
| 22:19.48 | pnis | I have to say ogg/mp3 playback works great with op2! |
| 22:19.58 | randy | AndyQ: yes, the internal ones. The close button when you are seeing the stuff go by as it is installing. |
| 22:20.00 | pnis | mpeg was buggy |
| 22:20.08 | pnis | divx didn't work (not enough mem) |
| 22:20.15 | randy | AndyQ: on the screen with the title of Install |
| 22:20.38 | AndyQ | the close button should be disabled until the install/upgrade/whatever has finished then it gets reenabled |
| 22:20.50 | AndyQ | and i shall check & fix the docs |
| 22:20.53 | randy | AndyQ: right. it is not reenabling |
| 22:21.09 | randy | AndyQ: I am using the Liquid theme, if that is of any consequence |
| 22:21.40 | AndyQ | randy: so am I - it was working earlier - let me check... |
| 22:22.11 | AndyQ | Nope - close works fine for me - randy - what version (help - about) |
| 22:22.29 | randy | AndyQ: I found if I move the scroll bar, after the output box says "finished" then the button shows up as enabled |
| 22:22.38 | randy | AndyQ: lemme check |
| 22:22.53 | randy | AndyQ: 1.8 |
| 22:23.15 | AndyQ | randy - same version as me - it works fine here :) |
| 22:23.27 | AndyQ | randy: also, which part of the docs is wrong? |
| 22:23.42 | randy | AndyQ: lightbulb works in your office, eh? lemme look at the docs to find the line |
| 22:24.36 | AndyQ | anyone else with 1.8 of AQPkg fancy checking an install to see if the close button isn't enabled after the install has finished? |
| 22:24.46 | testuser | what was the "cf suspend/resume issue"? |
| 22:25.27 | caffeine^ | randy: i'll test the install...whats the ipk? |
| 22:25.28 | randy | AndyQ: after "basic instructions" 4th paragraph. or am i reading this wrong? |
| 22:25.48 | randy | AndyQ: /me is a noob to oz |
| 22:26.09 | AndyQ | randy: OK, the local server is now the Installed Pkgs (needs updating) view |
| 22:26.21 | AndyQ | randy: and you can only uninstall from that view |
| 22:26.40 | nostromo | kergoth`bbl: in http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/feed/ most the opie packages are missing |
| 22:26.41 | randy | AndyQ: k. thanks |
| 22:26.48 | kergoth`bbl | nostromo: i know. |
| 22:26.55 | kergoth`bbl | nostromo: the feeds are all being rebuilt atm |
| 22:26.59 | nostromo | I was half way updating :-( |
| 22:26.59 | kergoth`bbl | nostromo: testinga nd unstable anyway |
| 22:27.04 | AndyQ | randy: np but I'm still not convinced that the buttons ins't re-enabled after :) |
| 22:27.17 | AndyQ | randy: what were you doing? |
| 22:27.25 | AndyQ | randy: an install/upgrade/etc |
| 22:27.50 | randy | AndyQ: uninstall |
| 22:27.59 | randy | AndyQ: lemme try to duplicate again |
| 22:28.02 | AndyQ | randy: i'll check |
| 22:28.31 | AndyQ | randy: nope - worked like a charm here |
| 22:28.50 | AndyQ | randy: did you get the Finished message and the button was still disbaled? |
| 22:29.27 | randy | yep |
| 22:29.30 | randy | okey |
| 22:29.33 | randy | here is how i did it |
| 22:30.18 | randy | go remove something. do the uninstall. says finished. close is useable, but looks unenabled |
| 22:30.32 | randy | i can click on it |
| 22:30.34 | randy | and it closes |
| 22:30.57 | AndyQ | randy: In that case it must be the theme making it look unusable coz if you can click it its enabled and thats pretty much all the control I have over it |
| 22:31.19 | randy | AndyQ: okay. makes perfect sense. |
| 22:32.07 | bisho | bye! |
| 22:32.17 | bisho | Tell me when the feed is ready |
| 22:32.24 | bisho | and I'll update the mirror |
| 22:32.30 | kergoth`bbl | bisho: will do |
| 22:32.50 | AndyQ | OK, whoever designed the DateTime gui should be taken out and shot! |
| 22:33.07 | kergoth`bbl | the new network systemtime? |
| 22:33.19 | kergoth`bbl | i know, i've got UI issues with it as well, it needs work in that regard |
| 22:33.31 | AndyQ | yup - it doesn't fit on the screen (I'll looking at fixing it - but it screws up the desinger) |
| 22:33.35 | AndyQ | designer even |
| 22:34.20 | pnis | by the way syncing with ntp should work ? |
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| 22:34.30 | AndyQ | tell you what - I think my fingers have become detached from the my main nervous system - I know what I want to type but my fingers sometimes have their own words - some of which even I have never heard of |
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| 22:34.50 | AndyQ | this is andys fingers here - ignore him - he knows nothing of what hes talking about |
| 22:34.56 | AndyQ | OY - see what I mean! |
| 22:35.04 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:35.15 | Dessimat0r | how long till the feeds are updated? got to go soon ;) |
| 22:36.03 | ljp- | bbl |
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| 22:37.28 | pnis | there is no such file as ntpdate - is this intentional ? (in the path at least) |
| 22:37.45 | kergoth`bbl | ? |
| 22:37.47 | kergoth`bbl | pnis: install it then. |
| 22:37.51 | kergoth`bbl | pnis: its not included by default |
| 22:37.57 | pnis | kergoth`bbl: ok, cool |
| 22:38.19 | pnis | just datetime was complaining |
| 22:38.29 | kergoth`bbl | pnis: hm, can you check to make sure thats in the faq? if not, it needs to be .. "Why cant i get the date/time from the network with datetime?" |
| 22:38.36 | pnis | ok |
| 22:40.56 | pnis | By default ntpdate, which would |
| 22:40.56 | pnis | be used for this purpose, is |
| 22:40.56 | pnis | not installed. You need to |
| 22:40.56 | pnis | install BLABLA |
| 22:41.13 | pnis | is this ok if I submit ? I didn't find it |
| 22:42.09 | kergoth`bbl | ipkg install ntpdate is the command |
| 22:42.18 | kergoth`bbl | it will be in the feeds in a few minutes when i update them. |
| 22:42.30 | kergoth`bbl | just say you'll need to install ntpdate |
| 22:42.48 | pnis | ok, which category should it be in ?:) |
| 22:42.52 | pnis | troubleshooting |
| 22:43.04 | pnis | or configuration |
| 22:43.36 | kergoth`bbl | troubleshooting probably |
| 22:43.40 | kergoth`bbl | bah, just put it in both |
| 22:44.25 | pnis | ok, I think I did |
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| 22:45.39 | caffeine^ | on boot does openzaurus try to mount network filesystems before the wireless card is started? |
| 22:47.35 | kergoth`bbl | caffeine^: it mounts the filesystems you put in your fstab with the right mount options in the rcS step, which is far far before pcmcia is started. |
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| 22:48.19 | kergoth`bbl | hmm, we have 6 outstanding bugs atm. the rest are pending further info from the reporters, or were invalid |
| 22:48.52 | caffeine^ | thats my problem...guess it will eventually time out tryin to load...thank you |
| 22:49.14 | kergoth`bbl | caffeine^: np.. if you think of a way to resolve it.. let me know |
| 22:49.32 | kergoth`bbl | caffeine^: perhaps a seperate startup script for nfs mounts.. how do desktop distros handle this? (for laptops i mean, with pcmcia) |
| 22:50.05 | caffeine^ | on my laptop i remember to arrange the startups so that my card loads first |
| 22:50.09 | kergoth`bbl | hah |
| 22:50.19 | kergoth`bbl | but the distro doesnt have a facility for that by itself? |
| 22:50.26 | caffeine^ | i'll do a script here when/if i can get back in it |
| 22:51.03 | caffeine^ | i think some do...some don't...i haven't loaded on a laptop in about a year or so |
| 22:51.38 | kergoth`bbl | k |
| 22:52.51 | nostromo | kergoth`bbl: IIRC, Mandrake tries to mount things in fstab several times, to solve this issue. |
| 22:52.55 | caffeine^ | first time using openzaurus...do i report bugs on the sourceforge site? |
| 22:53.28 | nostromo | is freetype supposed to work with oz? |
| 22:54.04 | kergoth`bbl | nostromo: when does it do a mount -a? sometime during the 2/3/4/5 runlevel boot? |
| 22:54.14 | kergoth`bbl | nostromo: most distros do the mount -a in rcS first |
| 22:54.19 | nostromo | wait a minute |
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| 22:54.40 | kergoth`bbl | caffeine^: if the bug is with the GUI, report to http://opie.info/bugs/.. any distro bugs, networking issues, etc to the OZ bugs system |
| 22:54.43 | kergoth`bbl | nostromo: k |
| 22:55.12 | freaker | can some one give me an example of how to scp a file onto the zaurus via PuttY? |
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| 22:55.48 | kergoth`bbl | freaker: use winscp, or putty's commandline scp client |
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| 22:56.56 | nostromo | kergoth`bbl: Mandrake 9.0 mounts all *except* network and loop in rc.sysinit, |
| 22:57.21 | kergoth | nostromo: aha, where does it mount the rest? |
| 22:58.18 | nostromo | /etc/init.d/netfs :-) |
| 22:58.22 | caffeine^ | kergoth: its a gui bug i'll post to opie...thanks |
| 22:58.58 | nostromo | kergoth: netfs service, default in runlevel 3,4,5 |
| 22:59.25 | kergoth | nostromo: ah ha. well then, we'll follow that example. |
| 22:59.42 | kergoth | nostromo, caffeine^: expect the fix in the feeds/rc2 |
| 23:00.06 | nostromo | kergoth: the script is from redhat people, I think they have taken from there. |
| 23:00.17 | nostromo | I don't know debian standard behaviour. |
| 23:00.23 | caffeine^ | kergoth: gotta love quick responses |
| 23:00.37 | kergoth | nostromo: I'll determine the proper method. if debian doesnt have a sane existing method of doing so, i'll create one |
| 23:02.46 | nostromo | root fs from the network is dealt with in initrd, then remounted in sysinit |
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| 23:03.25 | nishi | hope the OZ will be available on the C700 when and if it arrives in US |
| 23:03.27 | kergoth | nostromo: yeah, thats what i'd figure |
| 23:03.46 | kergoth | nishi: it most likely will. we'll see. |
| 23:04.04 | nishi | i think so too :) |
| 23:04.14 | nishi | ok folks see u later ... gotta do some work now |
| 23:04.30 | kergoth | nishi: ttyl |
| 23:05.00 | lsmith | huii ... rc1 released! |
| 23:05.05 | nishi | ttyl guyz |
| 23:05.07 | kergoth | yeap |
| 23:05.08 | *** part/#openzaurus nishi (~nishin@sj-natpool-220.cisco.com) |
| 23:05.11 | kergoth | lsmith: FINALLY! |
| 23:05.12 | kergoth | lsmith: ;) |
| 23:05.29 | lsmith | time for some action! |
| 23:05.42 | dep | kergoth: still working on buildroot... in sysvinit,, sulogin.o, ld can't find crypt |
| 23:06.02 | kergoth | dep: ls output/staging/lib/libcrypt* |
| 23:07.47 | dep | the make line doesn't reference output/staging/lib |
| 23:08.33 | dep | cd build/sysvinit* |
| 23:08.37 | dep | oops |
| 23:09.16 | kergoth | dep: ? |
| 23:09.24 | kergoth | dep: not talking about the make line, talking about the link line :) |
| 23:09.35 | dep | the 'cd' was me typing in the wrong window |
| 23:09.59 | kergoth | figured :) |
| 23:10.22 | dep | sulogin.o is compiled/linked without an extra lib options |
| 23:11.03 | ep0ch | whats the name of that tv remote control app? |
| 23:11.17 | kergoth | dep: ? |
| 23:11.30 | kergoth | dep: have you done a bk pull recently? |
| 23:11.39 | kergoth | ep0ch: opie-remote. you need lirc as well. |
| 23:11.45 | ep0ch | ty |
| 23:11.51 | dep | yes...i started this yesterday...did a bk pull this morning |
| 23:12.11 | kergoth | i did a full mrproper build yesterday without problems |
| 23:12.17 | kergoth | dep: make 2>&1 | tee log; .. email me log |
| 23:12.27 | dep | bk pull says nothing to pull |
| 23:13.01 | lsmith | ok so would it help for testing if i take a "debug" kernel even if i am just a n00b? |
| 23:13.36 | kergoth | lsmith: nope |
| 23:13.44 | kergoth | lsmith: all debug kernel does, is dumps messages out |
| 23:13.51 | kergoth | lsmith: so you'll see messages on top of your opie and the like |
| 23:13.54 | freaker | what is a good www browser for open zaurus? |
| 23:14.00 | kergoth | lsmith: you'll get annoyed with it pretty quick unles syou have a reason for it |
| 23:14.05 | kergoth | freaker: konqueror/embedded |
| 23:14.06 | lsmith | ok |
| 23:14.26 | freaker | kergoth is there an ipk |
| 23:14.31 | kergoth | freaker: obviously |
| 23:14.37 | freaker | where? |
| 23:14.38 | kergoth | freaker: why dont you try reading the faq? |
| 23:14.41 | dep | kergoth: what is your email addr? |
| 23:14.47 | kergoth | dep: kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 23:15.53 | dep | sent |
| 23:17.09 | testback_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.20 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.07 | AndyQ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.29 | pb_ | bored now |
| 23:18.29 | LazeJanis | Just flashed with RC1 - keep your fingers crossed :-) |
| 23:18.40 | lsmith | how long has the rc1 been out? |
| 23:18.48 | kergoth | hey pb_ |
| 23:18.50 | kergoth | lsmith: few hours |
| 23:18.57 | pb_ | kergoth: evening |
| 23:19.02 | oob | 3.1 rc1 ? |
| 23:19.10 | kergoth | oob: yes |
| 23:19.10 | lsmith | a few flashing successed? .. just a bit nervous as i dont have a cf card writer :-) |
| 23:19.27 | kergoth | lsmith: yep. so far like 7-8 installs, or so |
| 23:19.30 | AndyQ | ibot be zippy |
| 23:19.32 | lsmith | good |
| 23:19.38 | lsmith | then flash here i come |
| 23:19.46 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a long island |
| 23:20.14 | AndyQ | oooh - a new bot? |
| 23:20.16 | AndyQ | hey Sugar |
| 23:20.44 | AndyQ | Sugar: get me a beer |
| 23:20.49 | AndyQ | wooooooo! |
| 23:20.51 | LazeJanis | Sugar: Help Kergoth |
| 23:21.24 | AndyQ | Suagr: fix PCMCIA |
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| 23:22.06 | LazeJanis | Kergoth: Just flashed, so far so good.. Everything seems to works.. Going to try my D-link 660W card now.. |
| 23:22.16 | kergoth | Sugar: bored |
| 23:22.27 | kergoth | BoredByPolitics: you too eh? |
| 23:22.37 | AndyQ | hehe - right - off to bed - night night |
| 23:22.42 | kergoth | night andy |
| 23:22.55 | lsmith | btw: what is the best choice for a wireless cf card? |
| 23:23.05 | lsmith | seems like the symbol card tops out in battery performance |
| 23:23.36 | lsmith | are there any cf cards that support that 22mbit standard and/or have 256bit encryption? |
| 23:23.49 | kergoth | symbol/socket are best w/ regard to low power. other than those, any prism2.5 card would work fine |
| 23:24.08 | kergoth | lsmith: good question. i suspect probably not. does orinoco make any CF cards? |
| 23:24.25 | LazeJanis | Kergoth: gotta love that % battery level :-) |
| 23:24.37 | kergoth | LazeJanis: ;) |
| 23:24.42 | kergoth | thank tik when he drops in |
| 23:24.44 | lsmith | well i have a dlink router with 22mbit support and the pcmcia cards come with 256bit encryption |
| 23:24.44 | kergoth | it was his patch |
| 23:24.46 | kergoth | ibot: seen tik |
| 23:24.54 | | tik is currently on #opie #openzaurus |
| 23:28.06 | pnis | the battery level is accurate in oz3.1rc1 ? |
| 23:28.15 | kergoth | pnis: within 5% or so |
| 23:28.23 | kergoth | pnis: yep. no more 4 shitty levels |
| 23:28.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:28.35 | pnis | that's great! |
| 23:28.38 | LazeJanis | Kergoth: DAMMM IT!! It stille shows up as "anonoyums (??) memory card" - when i eject and insert a couple of times it comes up as Z-com XI825. Cardctl ident can't find it when is ano. and when identified as Z-com cardctl shows the real deal.. |
| 23:28.52 | caffeine^ | ack...i forgot to make a ipk out of qtmail |
| 23:29.01 | kergoth | LazeJanis: try commenting out the Z-com entry in your /etc/pcmcia/prism2.conf |
| 23:30.32 | LazeJanis | Kergoth: Shouldn't i specify which type of WEP im using (40/64/128)? |
| 23:30.39 | kergoth | LazeJanis: ? |
| 23:30.58 | kergoth | LazeJanis: doesnt matter. it sees the length of the key you enter |
| 23:31.09 | lsmith | ok ... flashing seems to have worked and i have booted alright |
| 23:31.10 | LazeJanis | Kergoth:Okay |
| 23:31.11 | kergoth | i.e. you enter a 128 bit key in hex, it sees its 128 |
| 23:31.15 | kergoth | lsmith: good |
| 23:31.24 | kergoth | LazeJanis: remember your key must be in hex, not ascii. |
| 23:31.57 | testback_ | why does taking my Z out of the cradle and back in again lose usb networking? |
| 23:32.06 | kergoth | testback_: doesnt here |
| 23:32.15 | testback_ | hmm |
| 23:32.17 | kergoth | testback_: try going into networksetup and telling it to bring up the interface |
| 23:32.31 | lsmith | ssh working too :-) |
| 23:32.33 | kergoth | testback_: occasionally theres a timing issue that results in the interface not coming up |
| 23:32.38 | kergoth | lsmith: good good |
| 23:32.43 | testback_ | did stop/start in 3.0 didnt help, il try now |
| 23:32.47 | Bovine | oooh, it's arrived |
| 23:34.11 | Bovine | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ < that the correct feed for RC1? |
| 23:34.20 | kergoth | feed isnt updated. hold. |
| 23:34.27 | Bovine | k :) |
| 23:34.38 | testback_ | bug with network stop/start |
| 23:34.42 | kergoth | testback_: ? |
| 23:34.46 | Bovine | I can still flash however... |
| 23:34.53 | LazeJanis | Kergoth: Know about the key - btw. the entire system locks for quite a while when i have changed anything and press ok, no "please wait" popup - thats opie right? |
| 23:34.54 | testback_ | "stop successful" dialog appears multiple times |
| 23:35.12 | kergoth | LazeJanis: yes, opie needs s please wait dialog very badly |
| 23:35.19 | kergoth | testback_: report to http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 23:35.35 | testback_ | every time ii stop or start, the number of dialogs that say "successful" increments |
| 23:35.42 | testback_ | gotcha |
| 23:37.59 | lsmith | which feed should i currently use? ... |
| 23:38.07 | kergoth | doesnt anyone ever listen? |
| 23:38.08 | kergoth | jesus |
| 23:38.13 | kergoth | the feeds ARENT UPDATED! |
| 23:38.20 | lsmith | k |
| 23:38.24 | lsmith | put it in the news :-) |
| 23:38.55 | *** topic/#openzaurus by kergoth -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | Women are hyperthreaded. | OpenZaurus 3.1 release candidate 1 is now available. Testers wanted! http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/download?release_id=3 | Feeds arent updated yet, dont bug kergoth, he'll hurt you. |
| 23:38.58 | lsmith | i think alot of us are currently playing and listing with half an ear atmost |
| 23:39.09 | lsmith | or in the topic :-) |
| 23:43.22 | *** join/#openzaurus TeaX (~tx@ppp-207-173.27-151.libero.it) |
| 23:44.34 | pnis | ok I have to go to sleep now |
| 23:44.39 | pnis | good night ! |
| 23:49.02 | *** join/#openzaurus ljp (~wind@tf0226.peakpeak.com) |
| 23:49.04 | LazeJanis | Kergoth: Damm.. Now is just shows as an unknow card. The problem is probally the manfid: 0xd601, 0x005 - which is the same as the Z-link |
| 23:49.22 | kergoth | LazeJanis: so whats the problem? |
| 23:49.29 | kergoth | LazeJanis: the Z-Com card entry should work for your card. |
| 23:49.33 | lsmith | ok i have clicked on every app .. only problem i found so far is that i cant get the time from network |
| 23:49.36 | kergoth | LazeJanis: find the other offending entry and remove it |
| 23:49.39 | lsmith | eventhough i can ping the world |
| 23:49.41 | kergoth | lsmith: ntpdate isnt included. install it. |
| 23:49.47 | lsmith | k |
| 23:50.03 | lsmith | should i darw ask from which feed? |
| 23:50.05 | kergoth | lsmith: check out sysinfo's version tab. its perty |
| 23:50.09 | lsmith | s/darw/dare |
| 23:50.12 | LazeJanis | Kergoth: Hmm. What do you mean? |
| 23:50.13 | kergoth | lsmith: well, unstable or testing, but i havent updated em yet |
| 23:50.22 | lsmith | ok then i will wait |
| 23:50.26 | kergoth | LazeJanis: you say it shows up as one card one minute, and another card at another time |
| 23:50.31 | lsmith | sure i have checked out sysinfo |
| 23:50.32 | kergoth | LazeJanis: the Z-Com entry will work fine for your card |
| 23:50.40 | kergoth | LazeJanis: so remove the other offending entry |
| 23:50.44 | lsmith | clicked on every app and pretty much every tab |
| 23:50.53 | kergoth | lsmith: how do you like the icon for the distribution in the sysinfo version tab? |
| 23:51.16 | lsmith | ok got me .. one tab i didnt click on .. one sec |
| 23:51.16 | LazeJanis | Kergoth: Now i have screwed it up, should i just reflash or can i find the conf file any place else? |
| 23:51.33 | kergoth | LazeJanis: ipkg install -force-reinstall pcmcia-cs |
| 23:51.58 | lsmith | nice ... a little too cool imho .. |
| 23:52.10 | lsmith | doesnt have the personal touch of the other two logos |
| 23:52.31 | lsmith | but it looks nice nonetheless |
| 23:52.32 | kergoth | lsmith: agreed. let me know if you happen to run across a free icon that fits 'distribution' better |
| 23:52.55 | lsmith | oz doesnt have a mascott yet does it .. |
| 23:53.00 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:53.06 | kergoth | pingizauru is oz's mascott. |
| 23:53.09 | ljp | how about the letters 'Dist' ? |
| 23:53.21 | kergoth | pingizauru happens to be opie's mascott as well |
| 23:53.40 | kergoth | but we dont want pingi int he sysinfo tab twice. besides, i want a generic 'distribution' icon, not a oz specific one |
| 23:53.48 | ljp | nope. opie mascott is opiezilla |
| 23:53.48 | *** join/#openzaurus stonage (~kevinston@24-196-131-188.mad.wi.charter.com) |
| 23:54.02 | lsmith | kergoth: got ya |
| 23:54.09 | kergoth | ljp: eh? same character, different name. big deal. |
| 23:54.10 | ljp | they just look the same |
| 23:54.12 | kergoth | bah |
| 23:54.15 | kergoth | ~lart ljp |
| 23:54.21 | kergoth | there, have some VAXen |
| 23:54.24 | ljp | I'm dfrickin joking! |
| 23:54.35 | kergoth | i dfrickin noticed! |
| 23:54.45 | ljp | I hate typing |
| 23:54.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:55.13 | lsmith | first impression: very nice work you all!!! |
| 23:55.29 | kergoth | lsmith: drop by #opie and thank them ;) |
| 23:56.09 | stonage | what's the diff between the debug build? |
| 23:56.21 | kergoth | stonage: kernel messages go to the fb/lcd |
| 23:56.41 | kergoth | thats aboutit really, i enabled the sysrq key in both builds |
| 23:56.50 | kergoth | the HOME button acts as Sysrq |
| 23:56.53 | stonage | is that useful or really annoying? |
| 23:56.54 | kergoth | so HOME+b will reboot |
| 23:57.00 | kergoth | HOME+s will sync filesystems |
| 23:57.07 | kergoth | stonage: annoying, unless you have an explicit reason for it |
| 23:57.09 | stonage | k |
| 23:57.43 | stonage | why'd you put the .bin on the zImages? |
| 23:59.14 | kergoth | stonage: without it the web server wont set the MIME type properly |
| 23:59.30 | *** join/#openzaurus ljp2 (~wind@tf0226.peakpeak.com) |
| 23:59.31 | kergoth | stonage: .bin ensures its interpreted as a standard octet stream, so it doenst get downloaded in ascii mode |
| 23:59.42 | ljp2 | damn dsl |
| 23:59.46 | stonage | ok |