| 00:00.16 | ljp_work | but his dad was really sick |
| 00:00.57 | ljp_work | BZFlag: any word on vercel funding? |
| 00:01.47 | kergoth | chouimat: power button |
| 00:02.09 | kergoth | chouimat: you can enable/disable the kernel handling of the power button or whether to pass it on to userspace |
| 00:02.11 | ljp_work | kergoth: I wonder if we can use some of ipaq's audio code |
| 00:02.12 | kergoth | chouimat: thats what thats for |
| 00:02.29 | kergoth | ljp_work: the OSS API implementation no doubt, just need to drop in different hardware access code |
| 00:02.44 | ljp_work | I'm not real sure of the hardware, but I really wonder if there's treble and bass for the mixer |
| 00:02.58 | ljp_work | among other things. |
| 00:04.43 | kergoth | ~lart ljp_work |
| 00:04.50 | Dessimat0r | OpenDratsab |
| 00:05.28 | ljp_work | hmm, interesting |
| 00:05.35 | kergoth | sandman_: hah |
| 00:05.55 | sandman_ | you just have to overload new/delete to point to some kernel alloc/free |
| 00:06.20 | ljp_work | fun |
| 00:06.25 | Dessimat0r | OpenSuruaz |
| 00:06.26 | Draggy | nope, no luck still :/ |
| 00:06.36 | ljp_work | chouimat: and send it to me |
| 00:06.51 | chouimat | ~lart ljp_work |
| 00:07.07 | Dessimat0r | ~lart everyone |
| 00:07.42 | chouimat | ljp_work: want to port oz to the ipaq? |
| 00:08.07 | ljp_work | ummm. no. just test opie things |
| 00:08.15 | ljp_work | there's already familiar |
| 00:08.15 | kergoth | chouimat: just add a familiar kernel to the buildroot.. then image creation options for the different models |
| 00:08.41 | ljp_work | really just to test audio stuffs |
| 00:09.00 | ljp_work | I believe the ipaq is stereeo only |
| 00:09.09 | Dessimat0r | hmm |
| 00:09.13 | Dessimat0r | pc is making noises |
| 00:09.45 | kergoth | chouimat: ;) |
| 00:10.00 | Dessimat0r | seems to be the exhaust fan |
| 00:10.07 | ljp_work | damn fans |
| 00:10.08 | kergoth | chouimat: pushing the changesets up to linux-cl.bkbits.net/linux-arm-2.4-collie |
| 00:10.15 | kergoth | chouimat: and now i go home |
| 00:10.41 | Dessimat0r | haha, i totally fucked up the fan on my graphics card.. using precision engineering i was able to fix it using superglue, and it works fine ;) |
| 00:11.35 | Dessimat0r | Did i tell you I ripped a DDR chip off a Geforce ti4600 when putting heatsinks on? I just bought a new one. |
| 00:11.36 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
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| 00:12.23 | robd | Hello everyone! |
| 00:12.44 | robd | Anyone here know if I can sync my Zaurus running OZ 3 using the USB cradle? |
| 00:12.50 | robd | Does it still |
| 00:12.51 | *** join/#openzaurus caffeine (~zic@clt74-77-210.carolina.rr.com) |
| 00:13.01 | robd | hello |
| 00:13.03 | phpCure | yes, you can |
| 00:13.05 | robd | oh |
| 00:13.06 | phpCure | read the faq on oz.org |
| 00:13.09 | robd | how do I go about doing it |
| 00:13.21 | phpCure | www.openzaurus.org |
| 00:13.23 | robd | thanks! |
| 00:13.26 | robd | sorry about that |
| 00:13.29 | Dessimat0r | robd: should do, ftp server is still on the same port with root/rootme as username/pass ;) |
| 00:14.16 | Dessimat0r | lol, how many names do you go by?! |
| 00:15.58 | chouimat | kergoth`bbl: how to clone it? |
| 00:16.25 | TheMasterMind1 | Dessimat0r: ;) |
| 00:18.33 | vexation | is there a way to tell what oz image i have once its on my z? |
| 00:20.38 | Draggy | bleh, at this rate I tihnk I'll flash back to official rom for now |
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| 00:26.33 | nasa | Howdy -- been trying out 3.1, has anyone else noticed that it wont' suspend? |
| 00:28.39 | cbok | eah |
| 00:28.42 | cbok | just turn it off. |
| 00:29.11 | nasa | hehe |
| 00:30.52 | nasa | And were is zremote? |
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| 00:37.48 | ljp | I'm here |
| 00:37.56 | ljp | just got home woot! |
| 00:37.58 | nasa | howdy ljp |
| 00:38.17 | ljp | how goes it nasa? |
| 00:38.35 | nasa | ljp: I am just trying to survive |
| 00:39.02 | nasa | ljp: how about u? |
| 00:40.01 | ljp | I am tired. busiest day of the year |
| 00:40.48 | nasa | ljp: well at least it's over... |
| 00:41.22 | ljp | yep. |
| 00:41.34 | ljp | but this week is the busiest week of the year. :) |
| 00:42.34 | nasa | so have you been trying out 3.1(testing) |
| 00:44.27 | ljp | I just flashed rc1 |
| 00:44.46 | nasa | damn, still no love with MaxMame... |
| 00:45.43 | nasa | and it rc1 won't susupend for me... |
| 00:46.05 | ljp | hmm |
| 00:46.19 | ljp | thats odd |
| 00:46.25 | nasa | yeah |
| 00:46.51 | ljp | evenwith the suspend button on the opie menu? |
| 00:47.08 | nasa | even with the suspend button on the menu... |
| 00:50.25 | ljp | hmm |
| 00:50.30 | Draggy | I'm just flashing back.. given up for tonight trying to get it to connec to pc.. |
| 00:50.47 | ljp | did you use the security settings app? |
| 00:50.56 | nasa | no |
| 00:50.59 | Draggy | yes, I set the security app to allow from all |
| 00:51.08 | ljp | that was for draggy,. sorry |
| 00:51.18 | nasa | ok |
| 00:51.27 | ljp | nasa: did you upgrade or flash? |
| 00:51.31 | Draggy | oh, is there a ripper program to make packages of the rest of the sharp apps? the games especially? |
| 00:51.33 | nasa | upgrade |
| 00:51.49 | nasa | As I look at the ipkg output - that might be the problem |
| 00:52.23 | ljp | I dont upgrade the whole thing at all. |
| 00:52.24 | Draggy | for next time I try OZ again.. |
| 00:52.25 | nasa | This is a good example: Not downgrading package aqpkg on root from 0.9.1-20021211-a to 0.9.1-20021214 |
| 00:52.48 | ljp | hmm. that could be a problem |
| 00:52.54 | nasa | isn't 14 more up to date than 11-a? |
| 00:54.36 | ljp | heh yes |
| 00:56.10 | nasa | hmmm... That not the only problem with upgrading.... oz-base unstable-14u wont upgrade to oz-base-2.1-2c! |
| 00:56.47 | nasa | So how do I fix these? |
| 00:57.02 | Draggy | well got back to my original rom afer some fuss at least, as one of my 2 cf cards wont flash from :/ |
| 00:57.26 | ljp | nasa: flash |
| 00:58.31 | nasa | Do I have to???? I have everything installed so nicely.... |
| 00:59.04 | ljp | installed to cf/sd? if so after you flash, just run ipkg-link mount /mnt/card |
| 00:59.16 | ljp | or ipkg-link mount /mnt/cf |
| 00:59.26 | ljp | and youll have all your installed apps back |
| 00:59.33 | nasa | oh... Cool! |
| 00:59.49 | ljp | ya thats a sweet thang |
| 01:05.29 | sandman_ | ljp: you can mark bug #163 as resolved IMHO |
| 01:09.25 | ljp | done |
| 01:10.41 | jbwiv | hey guys....having problems with my clock under open zaurus 3.0. Had a system crash that required a full reset, and now my clock will only update when the zaurus is powered on (doesn't change while in suspend). Any idea on how to fix this? thx in advance... |
| 01:12.27 | nasa | bbl |
| 01:12.45 | sandman_ | could someone please tell me the size of $OPIEDIR/qpe (arm,stripped) |
| 01:13.14 | sandman_ | $OPIEDIR/bin/qpe even |
| 01:15.13 | ljp | on oz rc2 458476 |
| 01:15.17 | ljp | heh rc1 |
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| 01:16.01 | noda | Moo! |
| 01:16.21 | sandman_ | thanks ljp |
| 01:16.56 | noda | What's new in the land of #openzaurus? |
| 01:17.36 | chouimat | noda: nothing |
| 01:17.44 | noda | chouimat: Ah. boring. |
| 01:17.48 | chouimat | noda: talked to Girl? |
| 01:17.58 | noda | I just had an 8-hour day. Haven't had one of those in MONTHS :) |
| 01:18.20 | noda | chouimat: Erm... well, normal talking? yes. Talking about how I feel about her? Nope. Figure I should do that in person. |
| 01:18.32 | ljp | email |
| 01:18.39 | ljp | im |
| 01:18.42 | ljp | :) |
| 01:18.47 | noda | lol, riiiiiight |
| 01:18.56 | ljp | letter? |
| 01:19.11 | ljp | note taped to her door |
| 01:19.30 | noda | lol, she lives with her grandmother, I'd hate for there to be any confusion :P |
| 01:19.40 | ljp | haha |
| 01:20.02 | ljp | flowers say it best. if she calls.. she's interested.. |
| 01:20.15 | noda | ljp: But she calls anyway :P |
| 01:20.28 | ljp | you tried flowers? |
| 01:20.48 | noda | No... |
| 01:20.54 | Dessimat0r | nasa: that can be fixed, just uninstall oz-base, then reinstall |
| 01:21.02 | Dessimat0r | nasa: works for me ;) |
| 01:21.45 | Dessimat0r | However, you will need to use console ipkg after uinstalling using aqpkg |
| 01:21.54 | Dessimat0r | the local feed messes up in aqpkg |
| 01:22.34 | Draggy | hmm I'ev got a funny thing, I've just flashed back to orig sharp rom, and the documents tab doesnt have icons, I'm sure it did before? |
| 01:23.00 | noda | Draggy: You have to put in some documents :P |
| 01:23.06 | noda | When you flash all your documents are deleted on the Sharp ROM. |
| 01:23.15 | noda | (well, on any rom) |
| 01:23.28 | Draggy | no I mean, its showing the text names for what I've put in, but no icons |
| 01:23.39 | noda | Ah. Strange! |
| 01:23.48 | noda | Dunno, this certainly isn't the channel for it though :P |
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| 01:24.04 | Draggy | hhe, was jsut swondering if it cuold somehow strangely have been caused by OZ :P |
| 01:24.06 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Moo! What's new :) |
| 01:24.09 | JasonNJ2 | sup. |
| 01:24.11 | noda | Draggy: Nope, impossible :) |
| 01:24.13 | TheMasterMind1 | yo |
| 01:24.14 | JasonNJ2 | kergoth: OpenZorce |
| 01:24.15 | TheMasterMind1 | not much |
| 01:24.17 | noda | Draggy: There is no trace of OZ left on your system now. |
| 01:24.18 | TheMasterMind1 | you? |
| 01:24.31 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Went to work today, 8-hour day :) |
| 01:24.31 | Draggy | ah I see why now |
| 01:24.45 | noda | And I got my credit card! FINALLY! |
| 01:24.46 | Draggy | its qtopia desktop not putting them in right, or something |
| 01:25.29 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: heheh |
| 01:26.01 | noda | I met the guy who replaced me there - what a geek! :P |
| 01:26.18 | JasonNJ2 | http://www.freeloader.com/games/hitthefan.htm |
| 01:26.26 | JasonNJ2 | lol |
| 01:26.57 | noda | I'll install Flash 6 :) |
| 01:27.57 | JasonNJ2 | defintiely need a zaurus version of that game |
| 01:28.44 | *** join/#openzaurus jserv (~jserv@140.116.141.254) |
| 01:29.12 | jserv | Hi, all! |
| 01:29.41 | jserv | I have ported Kaffe OpenVM (AWT included) to Qtopia. :) |
| 01:29.54 | JasonNJ2 | woa. |
| 01:29.54 | jserv | see http://www.kaffe.org/pipermail/kaffe/2002-December/009430.html |
| 01:30.04 | JasonNJ2 | it like, works with pjava stuff unaltered? |
| 01:32.02 | jserv | Also, there is a tarball: http://info.sayya.org/~jserv/qtopia/kaffe-qtopia-021216.tar.bz2 |
| 01:32.11 | JasonNJ2 | jserv: register for a free account on community.zaurus.com |
| 01:32.18 | JasonNJ2 | host it as a project |
| 01:32.25 | JasonNJ2 | promote it |
| 01:32.29 | jserv | after extract it, set $PREFIX, $QTDIR, $QPEDIR, and just run ./build-qtopia |
| 01:33.05 | vexation | wtf... 3.1rc1 wont let me on my wireless network |
| 01:33.06 | jserv | JasonNJ2: I am poor at Web page. :p |
| 01:33.14 | vexation | it sees the card but doesnt get me on my network |
| 01:33.16 | JasonNJ2 | jserv: no web page needed. |
| 01:33.22 | JasonNJ2 | all done for you automatically. |
| 01:33.27 | JasonNJ2 | free cvs space. |
| 01:33.59 | jserv | JasonNJ2: hmm, ok, good idea. However, Kaffe-Qtopia could currently run a few Java app. |
| 01:34.42 | JasonNJ2 | how much porting to existing personaljava stuff for jeode needs to be done to make them work in kaffee? |
| 01:35.41 | jserv | JasonNJ2: I don't know since I have no experience on using Jeode VM. |
| 01:36.01 | JasonNJ2 | jserv: contact twiun@adorphuye.com |
| 01:36.12 | JasonNJ2 | he has done some testing already with kaffe and wonka |
| 01:36.15 | JasonNJ2 | porting apps |
| 01:36.33 | JasonNJ2 | he has wonka project up already on community.zaurus.com |
| 01:36.39 | JasonNJ2 | he is very interested in alternative JVM |
| 01:36.48 | JasonNJ2 | he wrote a huge FAQ on java on zaurus |
| 01:36.57 | jserv | JasonNJ2: I try to ask twiun for his Wonka VM for Zaurus, but no reply. |
| 01:37.00 | JasonNJ2 | www.adorphuye.com |
| 01:37.12 | JasonNJ2 | jserv: he is Twiun on the #zaurus channel |
| 01:37.15 | JasonNJ2 | he is in the UK |
| 01:37.18 | JasonNJ2 | different timezone from you |
| 01:37.21 | TheMasterMind1 | jserv: !!!!!!!! |
| 01:37.33 | TheMasterMind1 | jserv: you got awt working?! |
| 01:37.34 | JasonNJ2 | he will reply to you |
| 01:37.44 | TheMasterMind1 | jserv: you know about the openzaurus buildroot? |
| 01:37.53 | JasonNJ2 | jserv: I sent him your post just now |
| 01:37.57 | jserv | JasonNJ2: hmmm, I am from Taiwan. almost 8 hr different. |
| 01:37.57 | JasonNJ2 | he will contact you I am sure |
| 01:38.19 | jserv | TheMasterMind1: what's buildroot? |
| 01:38.27 | TheMasterMind1 | jserv: any chance you could get this added into the openzaurus buildroot. kaffe is already in the buildroot, but the qtopia-awt bindings are not |
| 01:38.37 | TheMasterMind1 | jserv: http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=84 |
| 01:39.20 | TheMasterMind1 | either that, or email me something about how you managed to get it compiling and working and i'll make sure it gets in the buildroot and becomes part of oz3.1 |
| 01:39.31 | jserv | TheMasterMind1: I see that page. :) |
| 01:39.44 | JasonNJ2 | jserv: really what is required at this point is a drop in replacement for Jeode. Twiun is trying it with Wonka but I think having two jeode alternatives is good. |
| 01:39.45 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot bitkeeper |
| 01:39.46 | | from memory, bitkeeper is at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ or at http://www.bitmover.com/ or hosted trees at http://www.bkbits.net/ or like cvs and subversion, but its non-opensource.. but its really good, even linus uses it to develop the kernel! |
| 01:40.34 | TheMasterMind1 | get bitkeeper, download the openzaurus buildroot and add the updated kaffe stuff to it |
| 01:40.35 | jserv | JasonNJ2: I think Wonka VM is more excellent Java VM than Kaffe. |
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| 01:41.00 | TheMasterMind1 | DaWorm: sup |
| 01:41.12 | DaWorm | TheMasterMind1: hey..just arrived at work |
| 01:41.25 | vexation | anyone get oz3.1rc1 to use a linksys wireless cf card? 3.0 worked fine but 3.1 isnt |
| 01:41.36 | TheMasterMind1 | vexation: whats not working |
| 01:41.51 | vexation | TheMasterMind1: it doesnt see my car |
| 01:41.56 | vexation | like it seems be stick it in the slot |
| 01:41.59 | vexation | but i cant configure it |
| 01:42.11 | vexation | and when i try to eject it everything freezes |
| 01:42.12 | TheMasterMind1 | go to konsole, type cardctl ident |
| 01:42.44 | vexation | TheMasterMind1: ok, give me a second.. i needa get it up agian (it just locked) |
| 01:43.05 | jserv | TheMasterMind1: it sound good, but I am new to Zaurus. |
| 01:43.38 | jserv | TheMasterMind1: I have only iPaq to test my efforts. |
| 01:43.45 | vexation | TheMasterMind1: ok |
| 01:43.48 | vexation | Socket 0: |
| 01:43.59 | vexation | product info "The Linksys Group, Inc." |
| 01:44.02 | TheMasterMind1 | jserv: ah, ok. is there anything special you had to do to get this working? can you maybe email me your configure options and stuff like that/ |
| 01:44.25 | vexation | Wireless Network CD Card, "ISL37300P", Rev A" |
| 01:44.43 | vexation | manfid: 0x0274, 0x3301 |
| 01:44.54 | vexation | TheMasterMind1: that what you needed? |
| 01:45.25 | jserv | TheMasterMind1: sure. :) |
| 01:46.22 | jserv | TheMasterMind1: I forget to leave my contact information in Kaffe mailing-list. I am Jim Huang <jimchyun@ccns.ncku.edu.tw> |
| 01:47.52 | Cloudchaser | jserv: twiun is on vacation this week |
| 01:47.54 | Cloudchaser | skiing |
| 01:48.17 | vexation | TheMasterMind1: ya there? |
| 01:48.39 | jserv | Cloudchaser: what a pity. I just want to request some details about hist porting. |
| 01:48.40 | JasonNJ2 | yeah I forgot he was on vacation |
| 01:49.39 | Cloudchaser | JasonNJ: question for you..about the dev site |
| 01:50.02 | TheMasterMind1 | vexation: sorry, back |
| 01:50.08 | Cloudchaser | is it possible to have a choice for non-developers? |
| 01:50.20 | DaWorm | hmmm... |
| 01:50.21 | ljp | yeah! advancedfm can now show goofy extended character filename |
| 01:50.22 | TheMasterMind1 | jserv: can you email me at oz@themastermind1.net when you get a chance? thanks. |
| 01:50.25 | vexation | TheMasterMind1: any ideas about my prob? |
| 01:50.42 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot jserv is the guy who got kaffe with qtopia-awt working -- Jim Huang <jimchyun@ccns.ncku.edu.tw> |
| 01:50.43 | | TheMasterMind1: okay |
| 01:50.50 | TheMasterMind1 | vexation: you say it was working on oz3.0? |
| 01:50.52 | DaWorm | whoa |
| 01:50.53 | DaWorm | kaffee |
| 01:50.59 | vexation | TheMasterMind1: yes... |
| 01:51.07 | TheMasterMind1 | vexation: hm, that entry looks alright to me |
| 01:51.14 | TheMasterMind1 | there's some weird stuff going on with cardmon.. |
| 01:51.21 | TheMasterMind1 | cardmgr actually |
| 01:51.36 | vexation | TheMasterMind1: i guess i should go back to oz3.0 for a little =\ |
| 01:52.06 | vexation | in that case.. why doesnt the backup application work in oz3.0 (thats why i tried to switch) |
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| 01:52.42 | sandman_ | ljp: you should apply for a kernel coder job at lineo |
| 01:53.02 | ljp | hehehe |
| 01:53.14 | ljp | I might be able to write as good of code eh? :D |
| 01:53.25 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: anyway to make mindbreaker work fullscreen with flat :\ |
| 01:53.33 | dep | vexation: the backup app is a bit broken...forgets an important folder |
| 01:53.50 | vexation | dep: it just made blank files for me in oz3.0 |
| 01:53.56 | dep | vexation: most people back their stuff up via linux commands, without using the backup app |
| 01:53.58 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: thereare many ways ;) |
| 01:54.08 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: how |
| 01:54.13 | jserv | TheMasterMind1: just sent. |
| 01:54.28 | vexation | dep: what commands they use? |
| 01:54.41 | sandman_ | make flat use smaller titlebars or just don't enable scrollbars for mb |
| 01:55.04 | jserv | TheMasterMind1: I am so sorry that my English is very poor for late reply. |
| 01:55.05 | sandman_ | Or scaling the (sort of) menu bar |
| 01:55.14 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: eh.. how do i make it use smaller titlebars? |
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| 01:55.36 | ljp | jserv: we's used to bad english speakers |
| 01:56.36 | ljp | most of the opie devs are germen :) |
| 01:56.40 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: hack the flat deco source ;) |
| 01:57.30 | dep | vexation: most of the data files are in /root, so you can tar them and transfer them elsewhere |
| 01:57.49 | dep | vexation: other more sophisticated people use rsync |
| 01:57.53 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_: oh, fun |
| 01:58.06 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: easiest thing is to switch off the scrollbars |
| 01:58.18 | sandman_ | you just loose a few pixels at the bottom |
| 01:58.23 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 01:58.24 | vexation | rsync works on the z? |
| 01:58.25 | vexation | HEH |
| 01:58.37 | TheMasterMind1 | vexation: its a small linux computer, everything works on it |
| 01:58.37 | vexation | i did not know this |
| 01:58.48 | TheMasterMind1 | jserv: can you send me your ./configure options ? |
| 01:58.53 | vexation | TheMasterMind1: i've tried for months to compile ettercap on it ;-) |
| 01:58.55 | TheMasterMind1 | and instructions on how to compile it |
| 01:59.19 | jserv | TheMasterMind1: see ./build-qtopia script |
| 01:59.21 | TheMasterMind1 | vexation: heh, is that gui? |
| 01:59.26 | TheMasterMind1 | jserv: that's part of the sources? |
| 01:59.39 | vexation | TheMasterMind1: nope... terminal based |
| 01:59.40 | sandman_ | ljp: but my C++ is better than your english ;) |
| 01:59.42 | TheMasterMind1 | oh i'm sorry, i missed your links |
| 02:00.10 | ljp | sandman_: duh! :D |
| 02:00.43 | sandman_ | n8 all |
| 02:00.44 | TheMasterMind1 | jserv: oh awesome, this is great. will this make it into kaffe cvs eventually? |
| 02:00.57 | jserv | TheMasterMind1: you can try my tarball instead of what mentioned in mailing-list. |
| 02:01.10 | vexation | ok.. im gonna go watch the rest of stargate and then put oz3.0 back on my z =\ |
| 02:01.13 | vexation | ttyl |
| 02:01.16 | JasonNJ2 | the funny thing is I sent the kaffee guys a zaurus a long time ago and never saw anything come of it |
| 02:01.22 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 02:02.39 | ljp | funny.. I have to redo lots of advancedfm to add unicode filename support, because Qt dir functions are borked in that aspect |
| 02:02.49 | DaWorm | oh |
| 02:02.55 | DaWorm | i just read the 2.4.19 thread |
| 02:03.01 | DaWorm | that's great TheMasterMind1 |
| 02:03.35 | TheMasterMind1 | DaWorm: yep, kergoth's doing a great job |
| 02:03.40 | jserv | Kaffe-Qtopia tarball is located at http://info.sayya.org/~jserv/qtopia/kaffe-qtopia-021216.tar.bzhttp://info.sayya.org/~jserv/qtopia/kaffe-qtopia-021216.tar.bz |
| 02:03.42 | TheMasterMind1 | he's got it booting and all already |
| 02:04.27 | DaWorm | awesome...so a serial cable is the only way to do this right? |
| 02:04.27 | TheMasterMind1 | jserv: is it possible for you to make a patch so that i can use the patch on the latest kaffe sources from cvs? that way i can keep updating from cvs and still have it work with qt |
| 02:04.41 | TheMasterMind1 | DaWorm: for now, until he gets the lcd and stuff working |
| 02:05.09 | jserv | Currently, Kaffe Qtopia couldn't render Unicode well, I attempt to modify it. |
| 02:05.57 | jserv | TheMasterMind1: all right, latest Kaffe CVS has Qt AWT backend already. |
| 02:06.13 | TheMasterMind1 | jserv: can i use http://ccns.ncku.edu.tw/~jimchyun/misc/qt-qtopia-patched.tgz instead of http://info.sayya.org/~jserv/qtopia/kaffe-qtopia-021216.tar.bz ? |
| 02:06.32 | jserv | TheMasterMind1: you could consult the ChangeLog in kaffe/ |
| 02:06.53 | jserv | TheMasterMind1: yeah, that's better. |
| 02:07.07 | TheMasterMind1 | jserv: ok, great |
| 02:07.10 | jserv | q |
| 02:07.49 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, sorry for all the stupid questions. i see you have it all perfectly explained here... |
| 02:07.56 | jserv | sorry, "q" is meaningless. :p |
| 02:14.34 | TheMasterMind1 | configure: error: Configuration arm-linux does not support the jit3 engine |
| 02:14.34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:17.13 | jserv | TheMasterMind1: that's my fault that you sould remove jit3 |
| 02:17.35 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:17.41 | TheMasterMind1 | what is jit3? |
| 02:18.02 | Dessimat0r | just in time compiler? |
| 02:18.06 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:18.10 | Dessimat0r | got to sleep now |
| 02:18.11 | Dessimat0r | gn ;) |
| 02:18.16 | chouimat | aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 02:18.47 | Dessimat0r | omg, it stinks undernath your watch whe nyour take it off |
| 02:18.54 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:18.58 | Dessimat0r | you can tell i am tired |
| 02:18.59 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 02:20.34 | TheMasterMind1 | | initrd.bin | 386 | |
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| 02:27.02 | jserv | TheMasterMind1 stands for Just-In-Time Compiler with 3 order higher than original jit on. |
| 02:27.27 | jserv | TheMasterMind1: I means "jit3" |
| 02:29.00 | jbwiv | guys...having trouble with my clock being screwed or not updating each time I suspend/reboot. Followed instructions on openzaurus faq and restarted /etc/init.d/opieatd. Still not working. Anyone have any suggestions? One item of note, when starting opieatd I get "Cannot create directory '': No such file or directory". However, opieatd still starts. thx in advance. |
| 02:29.27 | jserv | TheMasterMind1: jit3 for arm-linux is just begining developed. |
| 02:29.30 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:29.32 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds good |
| 02:29.42 | TheMasterMind1 | jbwiv: what oz version |
| 02:30.15 | jbwiv | TheMasterMind1: oz 3.0. had a system freeze that required full reset. After that, clock has been screwed... |
| 02:30.36 | TheMasterMind1 | jbwiv: all the clock issues are fixed in oz3.1rc1, either flash to that or upgrade from the testing feed |
| 02:32.36 | jbwiv | TheMasterMind1: hmmm....ok. never tried to do a full upgrade through the feed. I guess I would just select the testing feed and click upgrade? would that do it?> |
| 02:32.53 | TheMasterMind1 | jbwiv: yep |
| 02:33.02 | jbwiv | TheMasterMind1: cool, thx man. |
| 02:36.26 | jbwiv | one other question. I'm having lots of problems with usb-uhci and usbdnet. Keep getting "USB device not accepting new address". Reboots of the Z or my desktop sometimes fixes it, sometimes doesn't. What's the other USB option available for linux (as opposed to usb-uhci), and will it function with the Z (I'm a usb newbie ;-)). thx. |
| 02:37.20 | TheMasterMind1 | you can install the 2.4.21pre1 kernel that has built in suppport for the zaurus via usbnet (not usbDnet, which sucks) |
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| 02:38.11 | jbwiv | TheMasterMind1: is 2.4.21pre1 the only kernel this is available with? i'm also using win4lin and fear that kernel is not a supported patch... |
| 02:38.20 | TheMasterMind1 | yes, that's the only kernel |
| 02:38.48 | jbwiv | TheMasterMind1: sounds good. thanks man... |
| 02:41.29 | billytwowilly | just a friendly warning: star trek nemesis is the worst movie ever. Even worse than attack of the killer tomatoes. |
| 02:41.49 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
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| 02:50.14 | ljp | ya nemsis has no big boobed borgs |
| 02:51.38 | JasonNJ2 | billy it aint that bad |
| 02:51.47 | JasonNJ2 | way better than the last two for sure |
| 02:52.01 | DaWorm | big boobed borgs |
| 02:52.02 | DaWorm | haha |
| 02:54.55 | TheMasterMind1 | mnn |
| 02:55.03 | chouimat | hmmm opie player 2 don't work heree |
| 02:55.16 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: how unfortunate, use xmms-e instead |
| 02:55.17 | chouimat | it was working this weekend |
| 02:55.25 | chouimat | ~lart TheMasterMind1 |
| 02:56.27 | ljp | xmms doesnt work here.. not enough memory |
| 02:56.35 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 02:56.42 | TheMasterMind1 | that's cuz its not installed right |
| 02:56.47 | TheMasterMind1 | install from testing oz feed |
| 02:56.51 | TheMasterMind1 | that ipk is fixed |
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| 02:57.23 | ljp | ha! |
| 03:01.24 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: here? |
| 03:07.15 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot botmail for kergoth push your fixes for that suspend bug and stuff to bk |
| 03:07.49 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot botmail for Onyx4 latest cvs of mplayer won't build. it builds a binary that it needs to use while compiling but its cross-compiled so.. |
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| 03:37.57 | BZFlag | name debates? |
| 03:39.12 | ljp | hmm |
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| 03:45.16 | JasonNJ2 | bz I like OpenPDA |
| 03:45.22 | ljp | someone copied openpda? |
| 03:45.29 | JasonNJ2 | is lineo going to do anything with openpda.net and openpda.com? |
| 03:45.40 | JasonNJ2 | I also like OpenZorce. |
| 03:52.38 | DaWorm | openzorce |
| 03:52.39 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:52.43 | DaWorm | that's catchy |
| 03:52.50 | DaWorm | may the zorce be with you |
| 03:53.39 | ljp | i've got openzorce on my wallywally |
| 03:54.14 | DaWorm | use the zorce! |
| 03:55.17 | JasonNJ2 | we could just call it The Zorce |
| 03:55.26 | OutLaw | how do I add my own icon to the applications desktop? |
| 03:55.30 | JasonNJ2 | and use a yoda like guy for the logo |
| 03:55.39 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 03:55.40 | JasonNJ2 | penguin dude that looks like a jedi |
| 03:55.49 | DaWorm | pingi zauri in robes |
| 03:56.10 | ljp | you mean opiezilla? |
| 03:56.33 | JasonNJ2 | Palm leads to Fear. Fear leads to Windows CE. |
| 03:56.38 | JasonNJ2 | Use the Zorce. |
| 03:57.20 | DaWorm | palm leads to fear |
| 03:57.21 | DaWorm | hahaha |
| 03:57.25 | ljp | thats just sick |
| 03:57.37 | DaWorm | i use my palm everyday too |
| 03:57.37 | JasonNJ2 | chouimat: try dating |
| 03:57.54 | chouimat | JasonNJ: hey! I use my m125 |
| 03:58.16 | JasonNJ2 | do not be swayed by the Dark Side |
| 03:58.32 | JasonNJ2 | the Zorce is All Powerful |
| 03:58.53 | chouimat | JasonNJ2: give a 30 days battery and I will be ok |
| 04:00.14 | chouimat | :) |
| 04:00.55 | ljp | buy a solar charger |
| 04:01.45 | JasonNJ2 | The Zorce is Strong with this one. |
| 04:03.29 | JasonNJ2 | help me Obi Wan Kergoth, youre my only hope |
| 04:04.15 | JasonNJ2 | I hope you wiped your hands off after using your Palm first |
| 04:04.45 | chouimat | JasonNJ: lol |
| 04:05.07 | JasonNJ2 | niters |
| 04:05.26 | DaWorm | DarthJason |
| 04:05.27 | DaWorm | hehe |
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| 04:23.07 | noda | Moo! |
| 04:23.10 | noda | Guess who gets to see LOTR in a few hours! :) |
| 04:24.29 | noda | Bah, nobody to gloat to :( |
| 04:31.28 | kergoth`bbl | yo |
| 04:31.38 | kergoth`bbl | the zorce? man, you guys get bored |
| 04:31.39 | kergoth`bbl | :P |
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| 04:50.21 | dep | kergoth: buildroot finally works for me. suppose i want to fix opie backup...how do i make a change, compile and test it without having to make a patch?? is that possible |
| 04:54.17 | kergoth | dep: 1) edit files in build/opie 2) rm -f stamps/.opie.binary 3) make |
| 04:54.28 | kergoth | dep: results in it recopmiling and packaging opie |
| 04:54.38 | kergoth | then you can test the resultant package |
| 04:55.39 | dep | stamps...sheesh. nothing like knowing what to do but not how to get there |
| 04:55.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:55.54 | kergoth | stamps controls how the buildsystem knows whats been done and what needs doing |
| 04:59.24 | DaWorm | Obi Wan Kergoth, help me discover the Zorce |
| 05:02.06 | kergoth | The Zorce is strong in this one. |
| 05:02.30 | DaWorm | Palm leads to fear |
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| 05:06.58 | OutLaw | how do I add my own icon to the applications desktop? |
| 05:07.08 | kergoth | ibot: tell OutLaw about howtos |
| 05:07.13 | kergoth | ibot: tell OutLaw about faq |
| 05:11.17 | chouimat | ibot tell kergoth to fix the opie-networksetup ipk problem |
| 05:11.31 | kergoth | ibot: fishslap chouimat for pestering |
| 05:11.34 | | ACTION slaps chouimat up side the head with a wet fish for pestering |
| 05:13.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:13.57 | kergoth | night chouimat |
| 05:14.03 | BZFlag | oz will have kaffe then? |
| 05:14.22 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: thanks, and fix that damn problem :) |
| 05:14.38 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: k |
| 05:15.03 | kergoth | BZFlag: it has kaffe packages now. twiun_ is working on the wonka qt/e bindings. |
| 05:15.15 | kergoth | obex_test_cable.c: In function `cobex_do_at_cmd': |
| 05:15.17 | kergoth | obex_test_cable.c:91: inconsistent operand constraints in an `asm' |
| 05:15.20 | kergoth | hmm |
| 05:17.43 | BZFlag | cool. anyone looked at wonka as an alternative? |
| 05:18.26 | kergoth | BZFlag: twiun_ has. he's the java guru around here. He prefers wonka, but notes it has a few issues which he will be working on after the qt/e bindings. |
| 05:18.54 | BZFlag | hmm. any idea what issues? |
| 05:19.09 | kergoth | BZFlag: something about compliance to standard |
| 05:19.14 | kergoth | BZFlag: minor stuff, afaicr |
| 05:19.19 | kergoth | ibot: twiun |
| 05:19.21 | | somebody said twiun was Steph Meslin-Weber, mailto:twiun@adorphuye.com ... AND HE NEEDS A JOB! |
| 05:19.22 | BZFlag | hmm. |
| 05:19.24 | kergoth | BZFlag: drop him an email |
| 05:19.29 | BZFlag | will do. |
| 05:20.45 | kergoth | wtf |
| 05:20.53 | kergoth | i get obex_test_cable.c:91: inconsistent operand constraints in an 'asm' |
| 05:21.01 | kergoth | on a line using FD_ZERO |
| 05:24.31 | kergoth | hm, must be pulling in x86 headers |
| 05:24.50 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.52 | kergoth | GRR |
| 05:24.54 | kergoth | LIBTOOL SUCKS! |
| 05:25.21 | kergoth | ah there we go |
| 05:25.30 | kergoth | damn .la files |
| 05:37.28 | dep | there, opie backup now backs up the Appications folder too. now if only it will stop saying the backup to my wireless card is successful |
| 05:38.44 | kergoth | dep: CF .. /mnt/cf/ .. when /mnt/cf isnt mounted, /mnt/cf is in flash. |
| 05:40.08 | dep | i have a cf wireless card in...backup allows me to choose it and says backup is successful, though obviously no files get written to it. not nice to non-geeks |
| 05:40.14 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:40.17 | kergoth | you're not listening. |
| 05:40.23 | kergoth | the CF selection backs up files to /mnt/cf/ |
| 05:40.33 | kergoth | when a cf IDE card isnt mounted there, /mnt/cf is in flash |
| 05:40.42 | kergoth | it *IS* writing files to where it thinks the cf is |
| 05:40.52 | kergoth | but when its not mounted, thats in your /mnt/cf/ in flash |
| 05:41.02 | kergoth | have backup check to see if CF/SD are mounted |
| 05:41.12 | kergoth | in fact, the Storage class can probably be used to check |
| 05:41.30 | dep | gawd...an i thought the 8051 architecture was ugly |
| 05:41.36 | kergoth | huh? |
| 05:41.40 | kergoth | this has nothing to do with architecture. |
| 05:42.06 | kergoth | the mountpoint is an empty directory when nothing is mounted on it. its the way it is |
| 05:43.15 | dep | i know...just kidding...gotcha |
| 05:43.44 | DaWorm | kergoth: you got some spare time? |
| 05:43.50 | kergoth | DaWorm: not really, but whats up? |
| 05:44.08 | DaWorm | kergoth: well i'm writing a small article on a local lug newsletter |
| 05:44.14 | DaWorm | and i wanted to write about oz |
| 05:44.22 | DaWorm | we'll do a small chit chat |
| 05:44.27 | DaWorm | cool with you? |
| 05:44.51 | dep | i come from pdp-11 days when instruction sets and memory images were sane....8051 achitecture is ugly, designed by committee...having so many places to write to ie (cf sometimes) is insane |
| 05:45.24 | kergoth | DaWorm: yep, no problem |
| 05:46.23 | DaWorm | kergoth: cool...when are you free? |
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| 05:50.46 | STrRedWolf | Heya. |
| 05:53.32 | DaWorm | hey |
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| 05:56.07 | STrRedWolf | Any word if Opera and Hancom's apps from the Sharp ROM work w/OpenZaurus? |
| 05:56.53 | DaWorm | hmmm..haven't tried the rc1 release |
| 05:57.02 | DaWorm | but sheet and presenter works in 3.0 |
| 05:57.04 | jurrie_ | I've gotten them to install and run.... but, they've had trouble finding some of their graphics resources |
| 05:57.17 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 05:57.18 | jurrie_ | at least on my Z |
| 05:57.36 | DaWorm | Opera i dunno about the current stuff |
| 05:57.58 | STrRedWolf | Well, that's part of the battle. If word and Opera work there, then I'll switch over. |
| 05:58.31 | STrRedWolf | Oh, do they have a gcc/zcc ipk for OZ yet? I didn't see it in the feeds. |
| 06:05.40 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: opera, hancom, tkc, are all confirmed to work flawlessly |
| 06:05.50 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: use the existing gcc/zcc packages for now. gcc will be in the oz feeds soon |
| 06:06.21 | STrRedWolf | This in 3.1rc1? |
| 06:06.41 | kergoth | what is? |
| 06:06.54 | STrRedWolf | Your report on opera/hancom/tkc working. |
| 06:07.19 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: yes |
| 06:07.46 | STrRedWolf | *pop* |
| 06:07.56 | STrRedWolf | Okay, I'm pulling a copy *NOW* |
| 06:09.15 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:09.37 | DaWorm | kergoth: when are you free? |
| 06:10.10 | STrRedWolf | BTW, I just recreated the version of Perl 5.6.1 for Zaurus. Anyone want the cramfs image? |
| 06:10.25 | STrRedWolf | This one actually works and has the CGI module. |
| 06:13.07 | kergoth | DaWorm: any weekday after 7pm central time |
| 06:13.20 | DaWorm | ok gotcha |
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| 07:00.27 | STrRedWolf | *grumble* Gotta use IrDA to transfer files in and out... |
| 07:00.40 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: ? |
| 07:01.20 | STrRedWolf | My USB cradle isn't working for some reason. Probably related to what the development cramfs disk does to it. |
| 07:06.56 | kergoth | grr! |
| 07:07.02 | kergoth | serial console is still being corrupted by something |
| 07:08.11 | DaWorm | serial cable is the only way to help out on the 2.4.19 dev't? |
| 07:08.18 | kergoth | for now, yeah |
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| 07:14.10 | kergoth | DaWorm: need 1) lcd/fb, 2) keyboard working to have other people test :) |
| 07:15.18 | DaWorm | ahhh..you can do that yourself right :) |
| 07:15.23 | kergoth | :) |
| 07:19.34 | DaWorm | at least the kernel boots, thats great |
| 07:20.43 | kergoth | Linux version 2.4.19-rmk4 (kergoth@oemx) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release)) |
| 07:20.46 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.48 | kergoth | CPU: Intel StrongARM-1110 revision 8 |
| 07:20.51 | kergoth | Machine: Sharp-Collie |
| 07:20.54 | kergoth | heh ;) |
| 07:21.11 | DaWorm | whoa |
| 07:22.00 | kergoth | Memory: 60384KB available (1027K code, 247K data, 56K init) |
| 07:22.05 | kergoth | seems to have picked up the ram fine i see |
| 07:22.16 | kergoth | hopefully i can get mtd going shortly here so the rootfs gets mounted |
| 07:22.20 | kergoth | then i'll get lcd/fb going |
| 07:22.28 | kergoth | then its rewrite the keyboard driver time |
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| 07:24.06 | DaWorm | so i guess oz will really be parting ways with sharp huh |
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| 07:24.40 | DaWorm | lol |
| 07:24.48 | DaWorm | well its our machine anyway |
| 07:31.22 | kergoth | grr! |
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| 07:31.27 | kergoth | LÑ.ÉÑ¥¹ÍÝ.Á.)5]]^ª(&¤,Rªª |
| 07:31.27 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.30 | kergoth | ±½.É¥Ù.ÉÙŹÁÁ)5ª¨¦&&&$+k¡éÁɽ.¥¹Íɵ.¥Ñ.±.Í¡.ÕÍ)5a«ë.K2.¥±..ѽ.á.½Í |
| 07:31.33 | kergoth | .¥¹½µ½.Áɽ..µÍµ©...}Áɽ..±.Éɹ |
| 07:31.34 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 07:31.37 | kergoth | thats the shit coming out of the Z |
| 07:32.10 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 07:32.29 | kergoth | i sent an email to linux-arm-kernel about it, its probably something simple i'm missing |
| 07:32.37 | DaWorm | This is a Sharp Warning Message: do not mess around with out design |
| 07:32.38 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 07:33.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:33.30 | kergoth | i've been past this before |
| 07:33.36 | kergoth | when i got 2.5.latest going on the Z |
| 07:33.38 | kergoth | i ran into this |
| 07:33.41 | kergoth | and i dont fucking remember what it was |
| 07:35.31 | nostromo_ | speed, parity? |
| 07:36.00 | kergoth | nostromo_: it works flawlessly up until this |
| 07:36.10 | kergoth | nostromo_: numerous messages .. its only at a certain point that things b0rk |
| 07:36.56 | nostromo_ | getty messing with the console during boot? |
| 07:37.10 | kergoth | nostromo_: getty? |
| 07:37.21 | kergoth | nostromo_: dood, i dont get far enough in kernel boot to have *init* spawned |
| 07:37.28 | kergoth | nostromo_: this is pure kernel, i havent even hit user space yet |
| 07:37.35 | nostromo_ | ok |
| 07:38.23 | nostromo_ | what is doing just before? |
| 07:38.40 | kergoth | scoop_init left. |
| 07:38.41 | kergoth | collie_init left. |
| 07:38.41 | kergoth | LÑ.ÉÑ¥¹ÍÝ.Á.)5ttySA0 at MEM 0x80050000 (irq = 17) is a SA1100 |
| 07:38.41 | kergoth | ttySA1 at MEM 0x80010000 (irq = 15) is a SA1100 |
| 07:38.41 | kergoth | A½%AŹÁ.½É9QѹÁ)5%AAɽѽ½±ÍéA....±Q¥µ. |
| 07:38.43 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.46 | kergoth | åÑ.Í)5.5¥B.Í¡Ñ..±.ͽ¹.¥ÕÉ..¡.ÍÑ..±¥Í¡..ÑÁåÙ.¥¹. |
| 07:39.16 | kergoth | somewhere around the serial driver setup |
| 07:39.52 | nostromo_ | maybe it resets the console settings... |
| 07:40.27 | kergoth | steps: 1) boot kernel, 2) serial driver loads, 3) it dumps printk buffer to newly available serial console |
| 07:40.42 | kergoth | i dont see why the serial driver would load, be able to dump the initial kernel messages, then b0rk |
| 07:40.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:40.46 | kergoth | its odd |
| 07:42.12 | STrRedWolf | Does it print everything up to the driver? |
| 07:42.17 | kergoth | yep |
| 07:42.31 | kergoth | and part of the driver's messages, but the corruption appears to start there |
| 07:42.38 | kergoth | quite odd |
| 07:43.01 | kergoth | could be a buffer overrun of my desktop's serial in buffer, not sure if the serial console is handling software flow control at this point |
| 07:43.16 | STrRedWolf | It probably probes the serial hardware, which is being used for the serial console at this time, and screws it up. |
| 07:43.20 | kergoth | unfortunately i dont have a device at home that'll tell me that there was an input overrun |
| 07:43.23 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: eh? |
| 07:43.25 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: um |
| 07:43.30 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: serial console *uses* the serial driver |
| 07:43.49 | STrRedWolf | From the get-go? |
| 07:43.57 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: kernel boots, serial driver loads, *then* previous kernel messages, then it b0rks |
| 07:44.12 | STrRedWolf | Strange. |
| 07:44.19 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: the messages arent displayed live initially, its a buffer. when driver loads, then buffer is output to serial port |
| 07:44.28 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: makes perfect sense, except the b0rk part |
| 07:44.30 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: ;) |
| 07:45.11 | STrRedWolf | I gotta delve into the kernel code a bit more. I was thinking it would pre-init the hardware and do it live before resetting it for full driver. |
| 07:45.22 | kergoth | ? |
| 07:45.41 | kergoth | there is no serial support without the serial driver, unless you enable low level serial debugging functions, and use them |
| 07:46.26 | kergoth | if you enable low level serial debugging functions and use them, you'll get hte messages live, the serial port will be setup very very early on and can then be used |
| 07:46.36 | kergoth | not bothering to use that here, becaues i already have a functional serial console |
| 07:50.33 | kergoth | aha! |
| 07:50.37 | kergoth | when i crank the baud rate up to 115200 |
| 07:50.43 | kergoth | i see garbage sooner in the boot |
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| 08:07.02 | schurig | moin! |
| 08:07.43 | schurig | kergoth: fixed your serial-line-garbled problem? |
| 08:11.53 | kergoth | collie_init entered. |
| 08:11.53 | kergoth | collie_init: GPIO registers set. |
| 08:11.53 | kergoth | ½5½%IEÍÍ.ÑÕÁ¹)55½±±¥.}¥¹¥Ñ±..ѹ)5@*W.WËë½ |
| 08:11.53 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:11.56 | kergoth | ÅÝ¥¥Í.MÅÅÁÁ)5AÑåMÅ.ÑÑUÕ.ÂáÁÁÅÁÁÁÁBJÉÅõÅÕ¥¥Í.MÅÅÁÁ)5àty: 256 Unix98 pty |
| 08:11.59 | kergoth | s configured |
| 08:12.02 | kergoth | ª¨¦&&&$ªV |
| 08:12.05 | kergoth | no ;) |
| 08:12.53 | kergoth | i figure 1) something is changing baud rates, 2) its overrunning my pc's serial port's rx buffer, or 3) some form of memory corruption |
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| 08:27.47 | DaWorm | http://neasia.nikkeibp.com/wcs/leaf?CID=onair/asabt/intvw/221807 |
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| 08:29.36 | schurig | 1) changing baud rate might the issue. Do you have an oscilloscope at hand? If the oszi has memory, then it's easy to verify |
| 08:29.39 | nostromo_ | updated. opie-irc crashes randomly at startup. |
| 08:30.02 | schurig | 2) rc buffer: I doubt ... but if that would be the reason, then use another application (I'm using "minicom -o"). Or use a slower baud-rate |
| 08:30.38 | schurig | 3) memory corruption migth not be the issue, in your posting above I can again see "s configured". You normally have hanging or broken output, but not garbling |
| 08:31.03 | schurig | 4) it might also be bad power for the maxim line-receiver, so that the RS232 power levels are not correct |
| 08:31.18 | schurig | 5) or not the baud changes, but the processor speed. Does the SA1110 support that? |
| 08:31.57 | schurig | It could even be a bad crystal for the baudrate generator. In this case only your Zaurus would have this problem, but not all. |
| 08:32.04 | kergoth | supports it yes, but clock changing is disabled atm |
| 08:32.09 | kergoth | well, 2.4.6 works fine ;) |
| 08:32.31 | kergoth | hmm |
| 08:32.58 | schurig | kergoth: I could be the driver thingy. In our hardware, we can power the various maxim driver chips -- or not. When your kernel doesn't give power to the right chip ... |
| 08:33.09 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 08:33.13 | kergoth | schurig: rootfs mounted |
| 08:33.16 | schurig | kergoth: usually such things are registers in an ASIC, CPLD, FLGA or simply a d-latch |
| 08:33.18 | kergoth | schurig: and its no longer garbage! |
| 08:33.32 | kergoth | waiting for chip to be ready timed out in read. WSM status = e002198 |
| 08:33.45 | kergoth | hmm, better make sure the WP (write protect) is set right on the flash |
| 08:34.05 | kergoth | read timeouts though, odd |
| 08:35.55 | kergoth | schurig: get garbage from a certain point until INIT is spawned, at which point everything is clear again |
| 08:35.58 | kergoth | schurig: ideas? |
| 08:37.06 | schurig | kergoth: when init spawns, it calls mgetty, which re-opens the serial port. Then the baudrate will be set again. |
| 08:37.17 | kergoth | schurig: no. |
| 08:37.30 | kergoth | schurig: mgety is spawned if theres a entry in inittab to do so, which there decidedly is -not- |
| 08:37.34 | kergoth | s/mgety/mgetty/ |
| 08:37.56 | kergoth | schurig: no processes have spawned on ttySA0. all message output is messages going to /dev/console |
| 08:38.28 | schurig | Hmm, but anyway it re-opens the serial port. I once had printk's in rs_init and rs_open in drivers/char/serial.c and I think (not know) that it reopens them once the kernel is there |
| 08:38.49 | kergoth | 'once the kernel is there'? |
| 08:40.18 | schurig | just put printks in drivers/char/serial.c rs_open(). Even when you can't see the output because of the garble, you can later see it with dmesg |
| 08:41.24 | schurig | It would also be interesting to see the values of the baud-rate-register of the built-in UARTs at this point ... and then the values after rs_open(). |
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| 08:42.57 | schurig | It's also intersting that the output is garbled just after "collie_init left". What comes, according to dmesg, after this? |
| 08:43.16 | kergoth | there is no dmesg |
| 08:43.29 | kergoth | rootfs is mounting, but spawning getty fails due to i/o errors. i'm not that far yet :) |
| 08:44.41 | Laze | kergoth: I now your busy working on the new kernel and stuff - but how is it comming along with the new network drivers :-) I want to use OZ so badly but i can't when the CF network card driver is "broken" |
| 08:45.04 | kergoth | Laze: if you're that impatient go download them and compile them. its really pretty rudamentary. otherwise wait |
| 08:45.34 | lsmith | moin |
| 08:45.39 | lsmith | kergoth: still awake ..? |
| 08:45.41 | Laze | kergoth: I don't think i have the knowledge to do that, but i will give it a try. ;-) |
| 08:45.54 | schurig | On my platform (kernel-2.4.19), the system calls first fixup_ramses(), then ramses_map_io(), then does some other stuff (memory clock, pages, zones, kernel command line), |
| 08:46.18 | kergoth | schurig: yep. same process here. |
| 08:47.02 | schurig | then ramses_init_irq(), again other stuff (console, delay loop, memory, various hash tables, Linux NET4.0), then ramses_init(). Then it starts kswapd, devfs and then it goes |
| 08:47.11 | kergoth | right. |
| 08:47.25 | schurig | into serial.c and initializes my 7 UARTs. Maybe this is the time where your output get's garbled. |
| 08:47.32 | kergoth | hmm |
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| 08:48.37 | schurig | In your case you have collie_init(), too. Not sure on pty on your box. The "pxa & ti" stuff is from my (heavily patched) serial.c. |
| 08:49.04 | kergoth | yeah. i'm using the stock sa1100.c from drivers/serial, russell's new serial stuff |
| 08:49.39 | schurig | That was not PXA-enabled in the -pxa patches, so I'm using the old drivers/char/serial.c. Works nice. |
| 08:50.01 | kergoth | hah |
| 08:50.23 | kergoth | schurig: lineo set a large number of parameters on the peripheral controller registers |
| 08:50.27 | kergoth | schurig: one of them hoses it |
| 08:50.28 | schurig | Look for the struct rs_table[]. And check the values in there in your 2.4.19 and in your old 2.4.6 |
| 08:50.31 | kergoth | schurig: commented it out, life is good. |
| 08:50.59 | kergoth | h> schurig: no. |
| 08:51.04 | kergoth | Using static partition definition |
| 08:51.04 | kergoth | Creating 6 MTD partitions on "SA1100 flash": |
| 08:51.04 | kergoth | 0x00000000-0x00020000 : "Angel Monitor" |
| 08:51.04 | kergoth | mtd: Giving out device 0 to Angel Monitor |
| 08:51.04 | kergoth | 0x00020000-0x00040000 : "CF Updater" |
| 08:51.07 | kergoth | mtd: Giving out device 1 to CF Updater |
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| 08:51.09 | kergoth | ;) |
| 08:51.22 | DaWorm | nikki: hey |
| 08:51.24 | kergoth | looks like the CFI driver and static sa1100 mtd mapping are working fine |
| 08:51.28 | nikki | DaWorm: hey hey hey |
| 08:51.47 | kergoth | Write of 68 bytes at 0x00d89450 failed. returned 0, retlen 0 |
| 08:51.47 | kergoth | Not marking the space at 0x00d89450 as dirty because the flash driver returned r |
| 08:51.50 | kergoth | etlen zero |
| 08:51.52 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 08:51.53 | DaWorm | nikki: help kergoth out will ya |
| 08:51.54 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 08:51.59 | schurig | Wow, you have SIX MTD partitions? I just have 3: bootloader, kernel, jffs2. Why 6? |
| 08:52.18 | nikki | erm, i don't even have a cf card yet, lol |
| 08:52.38 | kergoth | schurig: angel, cf updater, diags, kernel, jffs2, unknown angel stuff |
| 08:52.42 | kergoth | schurig: ask lineo why ;) |
| 08:52.52 | DaWorm | angel stuff? |
| 08:53.02 | kergoth | DaWorm: bits for the bootloader |
| 08:53.04 | kergoth | DaWorm: what, i have no idea |
| 08:53.41 | schurig | kergoth: on my platform one flash page is 128 kB, so I tried to keep those entries not-too-many. I don't like to waste 128 kB just for, say, parameters. |
| 08:54.19 | kergoth | schurig: same situation here. will likely shrink up the partitioning a bit. this is the stock partitioning given me by tim riker's patch which gave us the writable rootfs |
| 08:54.32 | kergoth | schurig: frankly i'd like to drop angel too, but that ill do later |
| 08:57.03 | schurig | kergoth: I saw that in your TODO --- once your're at this point, I can give you URLs to various bootloaders. There are quite a few opensource bootloaders for SA1110 and PXA available. |
| 08:57.52 | kergoth | schurig: yeah. i was looking at blob, bootldr, redboot |
| 08:58.05 | kergoth | schurig: blob looks architected quite well and looks easy to port. didnt dig deep into others |
| 08:58.44 | schurig | kergoth: then there is u-boot ... and one from intrinsyc. |
| 08:59.12 | kergoth | schurig: yeah i think you pointed out u-boot once before |
| 08:59.38 | MS_away | ugh |
| 08:59.44 | MS_away | intrinsync |
| 08:59.46 | MS_away | bleh |
| 08:59.59 | MSpin | I flipped tabs and saw that word:) |
| 09:00.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 09:00.39 | kergoth | hey MSpin |
| 09:00.48 | MSpin | the Cerfboard is kinds neat |
| 09:00.53 | MSpin | but the techsupport SUCKS |
| 09:01.15 | MSpin | bleh |
| 09:01.21 | MSpin | I have been soo unproductive lately |
| 09:01.32 | MSpin | I get tired of jsut getting things to compile |
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| 09:01.59 | kergoth | returned zero, retlen zero |
| 09:02.00 | kergoth | hm |
| 09:07.06 | troffasky | was anybody else aware you have to set $KDEDIR before you can use konqueror-snapshot_0.9.1-20020912.2_arm.ipk ? |
| 09:07.14 | troffasky | is this documented anywhere? |
| 09:07.38 | kergoth | ? |
| 09:07.43 | kergoth | konq works fine here w/o that |
| 09:08.37 | nostromo_ | same here |
| 09:11.33 | schurig | MSpin: what bad news to you have from Intrinsyc? Frank Becker has made some nice comments in LAK. He also helped me with the PXAFB when I started kernel hacking |
| 09:12.19 | MSpin | schurig: I used the cerfboard in our embeded systems class at U of WA...I jsut found them hard to deal with |
| 09:12.26 | MSpin | the hardware is pretty good |
| 09:12.40 | endr | kergoth: is fbvncserver (and libvncserver) in the OZ Packages file but not in the feed? (tried the FAQ as I'm sure this is one, but didn't see anything) |
| 09:12.47 | MSpin | but our tech support contact (when I TAed the class) was worthless |
| 09:12.55 | kergoth | endr: fbvncserver is in the feed |
| 09:12.56 | MSpin | they seemed to be totally focused on CE |
| 09:13.04 | kergoth | endr: libvncserver is a *build* dependency. you dont have to isntall it. |
| 09:13.33 | endr | kergoth: http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/3.0/feed ? Can't find it there |
| 09:13.37 | kergoth | endr: no. |
| 09:13.40 | schurig | MSpin: this is why you have linux-arm-kernel :-) And with companies like Intrinsyc and Accelent you get support, because they contribute code to the Linux kernel. But not so with Lynuxworks or whatever that name is. |
| 09:13.41 | kergoth | endr: in the testing and unstable feeds |
| 09:14.05 | MSpin | schurig: support from ADS has been *flawless* |
| 09:14.06 | endr | kergoth: k, will get it from there...it's in the 3.0 Packages file (I think) |
| 09:14.11 | endr | kergoth: thx |
| 09:15.48 | troffasky | if I don't set KDEDIR, when I try and run konq, it pops up with a Fatal Error message box |
| 09:16.08 | troffasky | some of which is unreadable cos it's off the screen... |
| 09:16.34 | troffasky | it's installed to an SD card FWIW |
| 09:16.44 | nostromo_ | you could have two konqs installed |
| 09:17.02 | kergoth | troffasky: works flawlessly here.. its something in your environment |
| 09:17.10 | kergoth | troffasky: you got tha tpackage from the oz unstable/testing feed right? |
| 09:17.22 | troffasky | erm hang on... |
| 09:17.22 | nostromo_ | It happened to me, took an older one from a different feed. |
| 09:17.39 | nostromo_ | ipkg status | grep konq |
| 09:18.12 | troffasky | is official/3.0/feed the unstable one? |
| 09:18.22 | kergoth | troffasky: no |
| 09:18.28 | kergoth | troffasky: thats stable |
| 09:18.30 | troffasky | well that's the one I'm using |
| 09:18.49 | troffasky | oh wel |
| 09:18.55 | kergoth | troffasky: use the package from testing/unstable |
| 09:19.03 | troffasky | right ok |
| 09:23.39 | schurig | kergoth: I just pushed scripts/patcher. Try perldoc scripts/patcher to get some idea ... it's a pre-release, comments welcome |
| 09:25.10 | kergoth | schurig: k, will do |
| 09:25.11 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 09:25.25 | kergoth | cfi debugging says my flash chips have their lock bit active :) |
| 09:28.42 | endr | kergoth: would you recommend against trying the OZ 3.1 PIM apps (datebook, addressbook, todolist) with OZ3.0 kernel? |
| 09:29.00 | kergoth | endr: itll work fine |
| 09:29.09 | kergoth | endr: you realize you can flash just hte kernel, right? |
| 09:29.41 | kergoth | endr: (course it still wipes your mtdram, but then you dont lose whats in flash) |
| 09:30.32 | endr | kergoth: cool, thanks. No, didn't realize -- do I just put the kernel (and not initrd) on a CF & reflash? |
| 09:33.18 | kergoth | endr: yep |
| 09:34.27 | endr | kergoth: excellent, thanks. |
| 09:46.16 | WormHome | omigod |
| 09:46.22 | WormHome | shouldnt you be sleeping kergoth? |
| 09:47.57 | kergoth | yes, i need to awaken in 3 hours |
| 09:48.26 | WormHome | goodness...and its past 6pm here |
| 09:48.26 | WormHome | hehe |
| 09:49.57 | schurig | kergoth needs a girl-friend |
| 09:50.08 | kergoth | schurig: that too |
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| 09:50.49 | WormHome | come to my home country |
| 09:50.55 | WormHome | i got loads to introduce you with |
| 09:50.55 | WormHome | hehe |
| 09:51.37 | kergoth | i need a woman, but thats a long trip just to find one ;) |
| 09:53.00 | WormHome | its gonna be worth it |
| 09:53.01 | WormHome | hehe |
| 09:53.10 | schurig | WormHome: where are you from? |
| 09:53.23 | WormHome | Manila, Philippines |
| 09:54.13 | schurig | WormHome: I thought they are all in Germany and sad (because mostly the not-so-nice man that wouldn't otherwise get a wife get ones from the Philippines, poor ladies) |
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| 09:55.19 | WormHome | yeah, but the problem with some of these women is that the mentality that going to the west and get married to a western guy will ensure them a good future |
| 09:56.28 | schurig | WormHome: monetary-wise that is usual true. But life is more than money. |
| 09:57.14 | WormHome | schurig: yeah that's true, but colonial mentality still exists here |
| 09:59.42 | WormHome | oh well, i'm out |
| 09:59.43 | WormHome | laterz |
| 10:03.07 | lsmith | anything fun to try out? |
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| 10:37.25 | Laze | kergoth: What does the new kernel fix and include of new features, i have read through http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/v2.4/ but its difficult to get the bigger picture - what, in your oppion will be the biggest advantage of the upgrade? |
| 10:39.07 | schurig | Laze: just read all the changes from stock linux 2.4.6 till stock linux 2.4.19. And then, on top of that, read what patches are in the "applied" section at http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/section.php?section=20 |
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| 14:06.04 | schurig | Hi mickeyl|lunch: bon appetit. When you're no longer hungry can you then fix packages/python/Makefile? It installs ARM binaries into STAGING_DIR/bin |
| 14:06.21 | schurig | STAGING_DIR is only an are where other packages can get headers and libraries from during build-time |
| 14:19.06 | mrwoody | morning |
| 14:19.39 | mrwoody | my z is crashing more annd more often after a suspend/resume (oz3.1rc1) |
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| 14:25.59 | mrwoody | morning chouimat |
| 14:29.11 | chouimat | hi mrwoody |
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| 14:29.22 | chouimat | hi ljp |
| 14:29.41 | ljp_work | hello |
| 14:37.31 | Onyx4 | mrwoody: kergoth made fixes in apmd regarding a suspend delay issue, that could probably help your problem |
| 14:41.42 | benmeyer | http://www.opie.info/mantis/view_bug_page.php?f_id=0000550 |
| 14:41.52 | benmeyer | can someone attempt to reproduce that bug for me? |
| 14:41.56 | benmeyer | I wasn't able to |
| 14:41.59 | benmeyer | in the 3.0pre |
| 14:42.02 | benmeyer | 3.1pre |
| 14:42.41 | mrwoody | Onyx4: thanks for the info... have you ever had the same problem with oz3.1rc1? i use the same card as yours |
| 14:43.03 | Onyx4 | mrwoody: you have problems when a wifi card is inserted or a CF storage? |
| 14:43.11 | mrwoody | Onyx4: cf storage |
| 14:43.21 | mrwoody | Onyx4: after suspend |
| 14:43.26 | mrwoody | Onyx4: /resume |
| 14:43.51 | Onyx4 | well there is a well known start/stop bug which still happens I think, so that could cause a lot of bad effects indeed |
| 14:43.58 | Onyx4 | if that's what you are seeing |
| 14:44.27 | mrwoody | Onyx4: basically it often unmount my cf card unproperly (after a suspend/resume) and that causes oppie to crash |
| 14:45.09 | mrwoody | Onyx4: have you ever had such a problem? |
| 14:45.22 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 14:45.30 | Onyx4 | we will need to fix that before release for sure |
| 14:45.38 | Onyx4 | it's been around since OZ 3.0, it's not new |
| 14:46.04 | mrwoody | yes, but with oz3 it didn't crash |
| 14:46.21 | mrwoody | Onyx4: and kergoth told me that he doesn't experience the problem anymore |
| 14:48.38 | Onyx4 | yes I think for some users, the problem went away... I will update my feed to latest, can you try to upgrade to that, especially the apmd package |
| 14:49.07 | mrwoody | Onyx4: from http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/? |
| 14:49.11 | Onyx4 | http://feed.onyx4.com/unstable |
| 14:49.28 | mrwoody | ok |
| 14:49.39 | Onyx4 | I just updated it with today's changes on apm suspend |
| 14:49.45 | Onyx4 | so maybe it will help, not sure. |
| 14:50.09 | Onyx4 | I think it might be a kernel bug or pcmcia, we're working on 2.4.19 which may help, worse case we'll have to do hard debugging on pcmcia code |
| 14:51.45 | Onyx4 | my opie snapshot is a bit more recent too, but i don't think it will help to upgrade opie packages from OZ 3.1rc1 |
| 14:52.31 | mrwoody | Onyx4: after an ipkg install apmd it downloaded from openzaurus.org, instead of your feed, so it seems that your version is older than that. Shall i delete the oz feed? |
| 14:53.01 | Onyx4 | did it install 3.1.0-4e? |
| 14:53.06 | mrwoody | yes |
| 14:53.14 | mrwoody | but it dowloaded from openzaurus |
| 14:53.17 | Onyx4 | ok kergoth must have updated the feed already then |
| 14:53.26 | mrwoody | ok... i am testing that |
| 14:54.07 | mrwoody | nope... it crashed again |
| 14:54.17 | Onyx4 | yeah unstable is updated last night... |
| 14:54.21 | mrwoody | after a reboot/suspend/resume |
| 14:54.37 | Onyx4 | you might want to update oz-base and everything else from unstable |
| 14:54.45 | Onyx4 | just to be sure it's still there |
| 14:54.55 | mrwoody | ok... i will do that |
| 14:55.08 | Onyx4 | let me try it on mine here... |
| 14:55.27 | mrwoody | ok |
| 14:58.23 | Onyx4 | ibot: botmail for kergoth: ipkg doesn't seem to see 1.0.0-1 as an upgrade for 1.0.0-pre4-1 when trying to upgrade, it says not downgrading package, any alternative trick we can do ? |
| 14:59.52 | mrwoody | Onyx4: i realized that ipkg install apmd only upgraded apmd... not libapm |
| 15:00.46 | Onyx4 | that's correct |
| 15:00.51 | Onyx4 | only a script changed |
| 15:00.53 | Onyx4 | not the library |
| 15:00.56 | Onyx4 | resume is faster now |
| 15:01.05 | Onyx4 | ok I don't see the problem with my 32mb cf, let me try with 512mb now |
| 15:01.20 | mrwoody | OK, great |
| 15:01.39 | mrwoody | i am still upgrading here |
| 15:02.26 | Onyx4 | yep problem shows up with 512mb card |
| 15:02.29 | Onyx4 | mmm interesting |
| 15:02.52 | Onyx4 | it doesn't crash opie here, but it does hang it during the time that happens |
| 15:03.05 | mrwoody | does it unmount it properly? |
| 15:03.39 | Onyx4 | probably |
| 15:06.03 | mrwoody | sometimes from logread i can see it is trying to do an fsck |
| 15:07.07 | mrwoody | i wonder if it is because of the size of the card, or because of the card itself |
| 15:07.21 | kergoth | Onyx4: unstable oz feed was updated last night, including all the changes i documented in the changelog, and an updated opie build as well |
| 15:07.37 | kergoth`bbl | yeah, need coffee |
| 15:07.41 | Onyx4 | kergoth`bbl: noticed yep |
| 15:07.59 | Onyx4 | mrwoody: I'll to a "add" to the bug and ask people if it's brand specific or size |
| 15:08.17 | mrwoody | Onyx4: ok, great |
| 15:09.52 | Onyx4 | kergoth`bbl: see my add to the pcmcia CF bug |
| 15:17.13 | Onyx4 | I will try to upgrade to pcmcia-cs 3.2.3 and see if that helps |
| 15:17.16 | Onyx4 | maybe it's fixed in there |
| 15:22.11 | mrwoody | Onyx4: does it depend on something there? |
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| 15:22.33 | Onyx4 | well pcmcia-cs is what handles compact flash |
| 15:22.39 | Onyx4 | so the bug is most likely in there |
| 15:23.29 | mrwoody | Onyx4: it might be cardmgr |
| 15:24.30 | Onyx4 | yeah probably |
| 15:24.36 | Laze | mrwoody/onyx: talking about CF problems? |
| 15:24.57 | mrwoody | Laze: yes... mostly about suspend/resume |
| 15:25.06 | mrwoody | Laze: do you also get that problem? |
| 15:25.28 | Laze | mrwoody: With CF ram or CF network card? |
| 15:25.40 | mrwoody | cf ram |
| 15:26.14 | Laze | mrwoody: Let me give it a try - just insert the ram and let it suspend right? |
| 15:26.49 | mrwoody | Laze: the problem happens everytime i suspend/resume the zaurus ... no matter when i inserted it |
| 15:27.00 | mrwoody | Laze: do you get a similar problem? |
| 15:28.03 | mrwoody | Onyx4: where do you get the newer version of pcmcia-cs? |
| 15:28.07 | Onyx4 | mmm debian hasn't released a 3.2.3 version... |
| 15:28.17 | Onyx4 | normally we base our packages on debian's version |
| 15:28.46 | Onyx4 | I could try to just build cardmgr from 3.2.3 and compare and use the debian config scripts from 3.2.2 |
| 15:29.33 | Laze | mrwoody: Nope, doesn't crash on my Simpletech 128mb card. |
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| 15:29.51 | mrwoody | Laze: does it umount/mount it? |
| 15:29.57 | Laze | mrwoody: Yes |
| 15:30.15 | mrwoody | Laze: oz3.1rc1? |
| 15:30.40 | Laze | mrwoody: yes, but wait - why can i still ls /mnt/cf/ ? |
| 15:30.52 | mrwoody | Laze: when? |
| 15:31.09 | Laze | mrwoody: after eject. |
| 15:31.09 | mrwoody | Laze: after a resume? |
| 15:31.45 | mrwoody | Laze: well isn't that directory empty after an eject? |
| 15:31.58 | Laze | mrwoody: Nope.. |
| 15:31.59 | mrwoody | Laze: i believe that it doesn't umount it properly |
| 15:32.23 | mrwoody | Onyx4: so it is not only the viking ... |
| 15:32.56 | Laze | mrwoody: there is a /usr/lib/ipkg/ in the dir.. |
| 15:33.26 | Onyx4 | ok anyone willing to try pcmcia-cs 3.2.3 ? |
| 15:33.48 | Onyx4 | make sure to keep a copy of the pcmcia-cs 3.2.3 ipk somewhere you can access if things fails |
| 15:33.51 | Onyx4 | to revert back |
| 15:34.28 | Onyx4 | http://feed.onyx4.com/experimental/pcmcia-cs_3.2.3-1_arm.ipk |
| 15:34.38 | Onyx4 | this has a new cardmgr in it |
| 15:35.08 | mrwoody | I will try that... have you tried that? |
| 15:35.13 | Onyx4 | not yet |
| 15:35.25 | mrwoody | ok |
| 15:35.59 | Laze | Onyx4: Will try it now.. |
| 15:36.35 | mrwoody | at the moment my z is like a pc... in the sense that i can only shut it down |
| 15:36.46 | Onyx4 | hehe |
| 15:37.01 | Onyx4 | yeah this bug is a real showstopper, it makes the Z not really usable |
| 15:37.11 | Laze | onyx4: how do i verify that its installed ok? |
| 15:37.17 | Onyx4 | ipkg status pcmcia-cs |
| 15:37.30 | Onyx4 | ipkg info pcmcia-cs maybe too |
| 15:37.41 | Onyx4 | you will need to reboot after installing this package |
| 15:37.47 | mrwoody | Onyx4: ok... installed |
| 15:37.53 | Onyx4 | or do /etc/init.d/pcmcia stop ; /etc/init.d/pcmcia start |
| 15:38.02 | Onyx4 | and then try suspending |
| 15:38.08 | Onyx4 | but reboot is cleaner |
| 15:38.11 | mrwoody | still crash |
| 15:38.14 | mrwoody | i will try to reboot |
| 15:38.23 | Onyx4 | did you stop pcmcia? |
| 15:38.35 | Onyx4 | because if not, the old cardmgr was still running |
| 15:38.41 | mrwoody | nope... now i am rebooting |
| 15:39.01 | Onyx4 | k |
| 15:39.13 | schurig | kergoth`bbl: the scripts/patcher now has import facility ... however, it's not yet tailored to your needs |
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| 15:40.00 | mrwoody | Onyx4: still crashes |
| 15:40.34 | kergoth`bbl | so whats the scoop? suspend/resume ide bug is related to high capacity cards and/or brand? thats pretty fucked up. |
| 15:40.58 | mrwoody | kergoth`bbl: yes, it looks like |
| 15:41.07 | Laze | mrwoody: This is really strange - when i inserted the card it seemed to work ok, then i ejected and did ls /mnt/cf/ and it again shows the usr dir - what the f****? |
| 15:41.16 | kergoth`bbl | Laze: yes |
| 15:41.16 | JasonNJ | kergoth: Use the Zorce. |
| 15:41.25 | kergoth`bbl | Laze: there's a usr dir there for ipkg. just leave it alone |
| 15:41.34 | kergoth`bbl | JasonNJ: rootfs mounted.. got assloads of errors, but mounted |
| 15:41.40 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 15:41.45 | kergoth`bbl | JasonNJ: need to talk to david woodhouse to ask him a question regarding the CFI driver |
| 15:41.53 | kergoth`bbl | JasonNJ: (note: this is all the same shit i hit in 2.5 :) |
| 15:41.54 | JasonNJ | hey did I mention this super cheap frying pan to you guys yet |
| 15:41.55 | JasonNJ | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006LFGN/qid=1040130785/egulletcom-20 |
| 15:42.01 | JasonNJ | I think amazon goofed |
| 15:42.03 | Onyx4 | mrwoody: mmm then it must still be a known bug in pcmcia-cs, we'll have to report it to them I guess |
| 15:42.11 | JasonNJ | thats a professional grade cooking pan |
| 15:42.14 | numatrix | JasonNJ: sweet; present for the wife. |
| 15:42.16 | JasonNJ | if any of you guys cook at home |
| 15:42.21 | kergoth`bbl | JasonNJ: $8? jeeze |
| 15:42.28 | JasonNJ | 8 bucks is insane for stainless steel |
| 15:42.36 | mrwoody | Onyx4: it doesn't crash when the cf is not there |
| 15:42.38 | JasonNJ | thats what they charge in the supermarket for shit pans |
| 15:42.46 | mrwoody | Onyx4: (of course) |
| 15:42.48 | JasonNJ | order 4, free shipping |
| 15:42.59 | schurig | kergoth`bbl: why a couple? To smash them on heads of bad programmers? Or managers? :-) |
| 15:43.18 | Onyx4 | it's a clearance so maybe it's a reduced price |
| 15:43.20 | kergoth`bbl | schurig: haha, that too |
| 15:43.32 | Laze | mrdwoody: cardmgr shows an error, device or resource busy - when the card is ejected and also when inserted, device or resource busy. |
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| 15:43.56 | numatrix | Sweet; having my billing and all that saved on amazon sure did help. |
| 15:44.06 | numatrix | My wife will be happy, thanks Jason. |
| 15:44.07 | kergoth`bbl | shit, i havent bought gifts for anybody yet |
| 15:44.12 | kergoth`bbl | I'm thinking ... gift certificates |
| 15:44.24 | numatrix | kergoth`bbl: Fresh copies of oz3.1 for everyone! |
| 15:44.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:44.37 | kergoth | "here mom, its a rom image" |
| 15:44.39 | kergoth | "what?" |
| 15:44.39 | numatrix | kergoth: I'm sure your close family will love it. |
| 15:44.47 | mrwoody | Onyx4: i mkfs.ext2 the card again, and it doesn't crash anymore, it seems... |
| 15:44.56 | kergoth | mrwoody: does the stop event occur? |
| 15:44.59 | numatrix | ;-) "A Prom Image? I don't want any more of your prom pictures, I already have one on the fridge." |
| 15:45.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:45.13 | Onyx4 | mrwoody: mmm really? were you running vfat before? |
| 15:45.26 | mrwoody | Onyx4: nope... ext2 as well |
| 15:45.31 | mrwoody | kergoth: let me try |
| 15:45.39 | kergoth | mrwoody: k. check logread for that event |
| 15:45.59 | Onyx4 | Laze: can you try to reformat your CF card now with pcmcia-cs 3.2.3 and retest? |
| 15:46.17 | kergoth | Onyx4: is ide.opts set to FSCK=yes atm? |
| 15:46.24 | Onyx4 | let me check |
| 15:46.26 | kergoth | Onyx4: we need to ensure ext2 cards get fsck'd.. errors can hose them bad |
| 15:46.36 | kergoth | Onyx4: also, we need sdcontrol's insert event to fsck as well |
| 15:46.49 | kergoth | Onyx4: if you could look into that, thatd be appreciated. i'm in kernel space atm |
| 15:46.54 | Laze | Onyx4: I think card is behaving okay, kergoth said the usr directory should be there.. |
| 15:47.02 | Onyx4 | yes it's set to yes |
| 15:47.03 | kergoth | Laze: when unmounted? yeah |
| 15:47.12 | kergoth | Onyx4: good. question is, does the card actually get fsck'd? |
| 15:47.17 | kergoth | Onyx4: anying re that in logread? |
| 15:47.19 | kergoth | s/anying/anything/ |
| 15:47.20 | Laze | kergoth: not when mounted? |
| 15:47.25 | kergoth | Laze: when mounted too |
| 15:47.35 | Laze | kergoth: k |
| 15:47.35 | kergoth | Laze: ipkg creates a /usr/lib/ipkg/ dir for its db, whether card is inserted or not |
| 15:47.44 | Onyx4 | mrwoody: you reformatted it on the Zaurus right? |
| 15:47.45 | mrwoody | kergoth/Onyx4: i still get ./ide suspend hda |
| 15:47.47 | Laze | Then my CF card i behaving okay.. |
| 15:47.50 | kergoth | mrwoody: obviously |
| 15:47.57 | kergoth | mrwoody: do yoiu get a *stop* event after resume? |
| 15:47.59 | mrwoody | Onyx4: nope... on the box |
| 15:48.02 | Onyx4 | mrwoody: it's normal to get suspend/resume, but not stop/start |
| 15:48.07 | kergoth | mrwoody: problem: suspend, resume, stop, start |
| 15:48.11 | kergoth | mrwoody: working: suspend, resume |
| 15:48.48 | Laze | kergoth: when the "last" card is ejected shouldn't the card applet exit? You can force it to exit by clicking and then clicking the "gray one line" popup. |
| 15:49.01 | kergoth | Laze: report it in opie's bts |
| 15:49.07 | kergoth | Laze: yes, it should vanish if no cards are in |
| 15:49.29 | Onyx4 | is card applet exit, how will it know when to restart? :) |
| 15:49.32 | Onyx4 | if you reinsert a card |
| 15:49.42 | JasonNJ | kergoth: did you discuss OpenPDA with riker at all? |
| 15:49.53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: nope, didnt have a chance |
| 15:49.55 | JasonNJ | I still think that is probably your best bet |
| 15:49.56 | kergoth | Onyx4: it doesnt exit |
| 15:50.02 | kergoth | Onyx4: it hides the icon when no cards are inserted |
| 15:50.11 | Onyx4 | mrwoody: basicly, if you resume and you don't see opie freezing for like 2-3 seconds, you don't have the bug anymore |
| 15:50.18 | JasonNJ | Altough I like The Zorce. |
| 15:50.30 | Onyx4 | mrwoody: so we need to know if it's because you reformatted it, or because of pcmcia-cs 3.2.3 |
| 15:50.32 | kergoth | JasonNJ: thatll be our pet name for it |
| 15:50.33 | kergoth | JasonNJ: :P |
| 15:50.44 | mrwoody | Onyx4: it doesn't seem to work |
| 15:50.49 | JasonNJ | OpenPDA: Use the Zorce. |
| 15:50.54 | Onyx4 | mrwoody: what do you mean? |
| 15:51.09 | Laze | kergoth: apparently my CF network card is working better after the pcmcia-cs_3.2.3-1_arm.ipk install - can this be true? |
| 15:51.32 | kergoth | Laze: sure its possible.. |
| 15:52.03 | kergoth | JasonNJ: found the issue with the mtd/flash |
| 15:52.07 | kergoth | JasonNJ: working on it now |
| 15:52.12 | Laze | kergoth: it still can't "accept" the settings from the settings program, iwconfig still shows mode=master and essid=test |
| 15:52.27 | kergoth | Laze: and what does wireless.opts show? |
| 15:52.52 | Laze | kergoth: hang on.. |
| 15:54.10 | kergoth | Laze: remember, -all- networksetup does for wireless is writes /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts, and /etc/network/interfaces.. the distro handles the real work |
| 15:54.26 | Laze | kergoth: I think i crashed the wireless.opts by manually editing, anyone know where to dl an new one ? |
| 15:55.22 | kergoth | Laze: -force-reinstall of your pcmcia-cs from console? |
| 15:55.23 | mrwoody | kergoth: opie crashed again after a resume... it might be because my card is formatted ext2 (and that is why it doesn't crash on Onyx4 z) |
| 15:55.47 | kergoth | mrwoody: k, lets focus on eliminating the stop/start events. opie behavior we can discuss later |
| 15:56.07 | Onyx4 | I use vfat and still get stop/start too |
| 15:56.14 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:56.23 | mrwoody | kergoth: ok... let me know if you need any test |
| 15:56.24 | Onyx4 | I am filing a bug with pcmcia-cs on sf.net , maybe they will have a few suggestions |
| 15:56.37 | kergoth | Onyx4: hmm, do they have a mailing list? |
| 15:56.44 | kergoth | Onyx4: i find the MLs are the best contact point for issues |
| 15:57.07 | Onyx4 | ok I'll also post to the mailing list as well |
| 15:58.23 | Onyx4 | grr pcmcia-cs devel is offline |
| 16:03.54 | Laze | Bye.. Has to run of to christmas fun with the company. |
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| 16:15.44 | Onyx4 | ok I sent an email to pcmcia-cs mailing list |
| 16:16.10 | kergoth | Onyx4: good |
| 16:18.11 | Onyx4 | and filed a bug on sf.net as well |
| 16:21.42 | Onyx4 | mrwoody: can you cut and paste your logread output into the bug so that we get the latest status with pcmcia-3.2.3 |
| 16:22.26 | mrwoody | Onyx4: sure... where? in sf? |
| 16:22.45 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 16:22.52 | Onyx4 | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=639715&group_id=43045&atid=434956 |
| 16:23.10 | Onyx4 | enter your compact flash card type/size your tested with |
| 16:23.54 | mrwoody | ok |
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| 16:26.56 | Onyx4 | bbl |
| 16:27.08 | mrwoody | Onyx4: done |
| 16:27.35 | mrwoody | Onyx4: it is shown that it was not cleanly unmounted |
| 16:27.56 | kergoth | mrwoody: sounds like you didnt eject the card with cardmon |
| 16:28.00 | kergoth | mrwoody: and just yanked the card out |
| 16:28.27 | mrwoody | kergoth: right... but what i did was just suspend/resume... the card has always been there |
| 16:29.03 | kergoth | mrwoody: odd |
| 16:29.18 | mrwoody | kergoth: i agree |
| 16:29.33 | kergoth | mrwoody: maybe new kernel will just make the problem go away |
| 16:30.37 | mrwoody | kergoth: how is that going? |
| 16:30.42 | kergoth | getting there |
| 16:30.45 | kergoth | ibot: seen bzflag |
| 16:30.48 | | bzflag <timr@rikers.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 7h 47m 48s ago, saying: 'k. one?'. |
| 16:30.57 | kergoth | mrwoody: specs/schematics dont jive with the code |
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| 16:32.22 | mrwoody | need to go now... |
| 16:32.30 | mrwoody | I will catch up later... |
| 16:32.35 | kergoth | okay ttyl |
| 16:32.41 | mrwoody | bye... |
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| 16:36.59 | AndyQ | hey |
| 16:37.23 | kergoth | hey AndyQ |
| 16:37.57 | AndyQ | just a quick flyby - hows things? |
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| 16:52.18 | guised | hey |
| 16:52.29 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:52.54 | guised | kergoth: i'm having problems installing hancom to the SD... has the bug been submitted before? |
| 16:53.06 | kergoth | guised: ? |
| 16:53.11 | kergoth | should install anywhere |
| 16:53.18 | kergoth | guised: report to the hancom creator guy |
| 16:53.37 | guised | not an oz problem? |
| 16:56.56 | kergoth | oz has nothing to do with that particular ipk's inability to install to alternate destinations |
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| 17:09.10 | chouimat | ibot change 1 cad to eur |
| 17:09.22 | chouimat | ibot change 1 cad to usd |
| 17:10.12 | chouimat | ibot change 1 cad to chf |
| 17:10.20 | testback | ibot change 1 usd to eur |
| 17:10.37 | testback | how conveinent |
| 17:14.48 | testback | Mototola bought Embedix |
| 17:15.07 | Garf_ | kergoth: any reason why mail is not included in the build? |
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| 17:17.44 | chouimat | grrr! another jackass review of The Two Towers |
| 17:18.11 | tronical | is there a way to express a dependency of a staging installation of a certain package in an oz build Makefile? |
| 17:18.26 | tronical | (like package xyz depends on a staging install of package blargh) |
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| 17:42.55 | kergoth | whee |
| 17:43.02 | kergoth | my jffs2 rootfs is mounted |
| 17:43.04 | kergoth | spiffy |
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| 17:50.31 | kergoth | Any volunteers to write a keyboard driver? |
| 17:50.39 | kergoth | our existing one is so horrid i dare not even enter the code |
| 17:50.53 | DaJoker | kergoth: if I knew what I was doing, I surely would |
| 17:51.33 | kergoth | DaJoker: you think i know what i'm doing? ;) |
| 17:51.46 | DaJoker | hehe.. |
| 17:52.42 | DaJoker | I've cleansed myself of C knowledge, so I'm at a bit of a disadvantage :) |
| 17:52.58 | Garf_ | which file is it in? |
| 17:53.06 | kergoth | Garf_: the existing one is crap |
| 17:53.14 | kergoth | Garf_: its hardly worth looking at :) |
| 17:53.20 | kergoth | Garf_: but its all in drivers/char/ |
| 17:53.25 | kergoth | Garf_: sharp* and collie* |
| 17:55.01 | DaJoker | kergoth: I thought someone was writing a keyboard driver already? |
| 17:55.16 | DaJoker | or did that fall through? |
| 17:55.22 | kergoth | fell through afaik |
| 17:55.24 | kergoth | ibot: seen cerezu |
| 17:55.33 | | cerezu <~cerezu@msp-65-29-61-7.mn.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 1d 15h 18m 38s ago, saying: 'oh.'. |
| 18:02.27 | kergoth | hey cbok |
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| 18:10.56 | cbok | howdy |
| 18:11.27 | kergoth | # uname -a |
| 18:11.27 | kergoth | Linux zaurus 2.4.19-rmk4 #39 Tue Dec 17 11:43:57 CST 2002 armv4l unknown |
| 18:11.29 | kergoth | woo |
| 18:11.33 | kergoth | # df |
| 18:11.33 | kergoth | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 18:11.33 | kergoth | rootfs 14464 3780 10684 26% / |
| 18:11.33 | kergoth | /dev/root 14464 3780 10684 26% / |
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| 18:22.54 | sandman__ | kergoth: you said the root image contains modutils -- why don't you use the bb modutils ? |
| 18:24.01 | kergoth | sandman_: havent been due to not having depmod .. |
| 18:24.20 | sandman_ | kergoth: familiar is using bb modutils + real depmod |
| 18:25.03 | kergoth | sandman_: hm, could do that.. then busybox depends on modutils in the buildsystem, and copies the depmod binary from the modutils build at ipk creation time.. that'd work. |
| 18:25.11 | kergoth | sandman_: will do that for 3.1rc2 |
| 18:25.19 | chouimat | kergoth: do you konow if the Zaurus AC Adapter work in europe? |
| 18:25.26 | kergoth | chouimat: hmm dunno |
| 18:25.40 | chouimat | anybody from Europe here? |
| 18:25.59 | sandman_ | sure |
| 18:26.19 | sandman_ | if it says support 220V it should work |
| 18:26.32 | chouimat | sandman_: Model EA-70? |
| 18:26.54 | sandman_ | mine says 100-240~ input |
| 18:27.03 | sandman_ | yep .. ea-70 |
| 18:27.23 | chouimat | sandman_: ok thanks, I will just need the right plug |
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| 18:38.23 | schurig|home | Hi |
| 18:41.35 | guised | what the command to restart opie from the line? |
| 18:42.24 | nobse | guised: /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 18:42.33 | guised | nm |
| 18:42.37 | mickeyl | guised: or just $OPIEDIR/bin/qpe |
| 18:42.42 | guised | nobse: thanks |
| 18:42.47 | mickeyl | guised: but take care about your environment then |
| 18:43.02 | kergoth | guised: thats in the faq |
| 18:43.06 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:43.25 | guised | kergoth: that's why i said nm... i looked it up |
| 18:44.12 | guised | will op2 be included in offical release? |
| 18:44.21 | kergoth | 'included'? |
| 18:44.28 | kergoth | it wont be in the rom, if thats what you mean |
| 18:44.32 | guised | ah |
| 18:44.32 | kergoth | it will be in the feeds |
| 18:45.04 | guised | have many people download rc1 |
| 18:45.18 | guised | ? |
| 18:45.28 | kergoth | guised: quite a few. need to check the stats db to get #s |
| 18:46.12 | guised | its pretty smooth |
| 18:46.19 | Garf_ | does anyone know if opie-mail or opie-mail2 is still actively developed? |
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| 18:46.36 | AndyQ | hi |
| 18:46.42 | schurig|home | Lo! |
| 18:46.43 | kergoth | hey andy |
| 18:47.43 | AndyQ | damn fine timing as well - just before Christman |
| 18:47.51 | AndyQ | s/Christman/Christmas |
| 18:47.56 | kergoth | AndyQ: ack, sorry to hear that |
| 18:48.06 | schurig|home | Christman = Jesus :-) |
| 18:48.14 | AndyQ | schurig|home: lol |
| 18:48.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:48.21 | AndyQ | kergoth: yeah - it sucks |
| 18:48.56 | JasonNJ | andyq: that flying game of yours is insane |
| 18:49.01 | schurig|home | why? Just before xmas is good timing. Many people have time once the big gifting is over. Lot's of time for coding :-) |
| 18:49.01 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hehe |
| 18:49.03 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it rocks |
| 18:49.36 | AndyQ | schurig|home: yeah - bug I've got the two weeks off over chrish |
| 18:49.47 | AndyQ | schurig|home: yeah - bug I've got the two weeks over christmas off work anyway |
| 18:49.52 | schurig|home | kergoth: the serial-garble bug is fixed? |
| 18:49.59 | AndyQ | schurig|home: and it sucks being ill anyway |
| 18:50.10 | kergoth | schurig|home: yeah, lineo was doing some fucked up stuff to the peripheral controller's registers |
| 18:50.11 | AndyQ | JasonNJ: ta |
| 18:50.23 | kergoth | schurig|home: i didnt even bother to analyze what it was setting, i just commented it out and all was well |
| 18:50.27 | kergoth | schurig|home: hehe |
| 18:50.30 | kergoth | schurig|home: will go back later ;) |
| 18:50.42 | AndyQ | kergoth: so hows the kernel coming along ? |
| 18:51.08 | AndyQ | JasonNJ: any ideas on how to make SFCave game harder? |
| 18:51.09 | kergoth | AndyQ: |
| 18:51.09 | kergoth | # uname -a |
| 18:51.09 | kergoth | Linux zaurus 2.4.19-rmk4 #39 Tue Dec 17 11:43:57 CST 2002 armv4l unknown |
| 18:51.23 | kergoth | AndyQ: rootfs mounted readwrite, jffs2 is working great |
| 18:51.35 | AndyQ | kergoth: so is the LCD/keyboard working yet? |
| 18:51.40 | kergoth | AndyQ: working on the lcd now, then touchscreen.. i still need a volunteer for keyboard rewrite |
| 18:51.44 | AndyQ | kergoth: that sounds gread! |
| 18:51.52 | kergoth | *ahem* |
| 18:51.58 | kergoth | any volunteers for the keyboard rewrite? |
| 18:51.59 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:52.01 | schurig|home | kergoth: hmm, should we use a unified kernel directory with just ifdef KERNEL_CONFIG_<whatever> Sources += <patches> endif ? |
| 18:52.07 | AndyQ | kergoth: I'd volunteer but my kernel knowledge is even less than my brain surgery/quantum physics knowledge |
| 18:52.08 | kergoth | schurig|home: i was thinking about that yesterday |
| 18:52.10 | kergoth | schurig|home: ;) |
| 18:52.28 | kergoth | schurig|home: only reason i could think of not to, would be if you wanted to build both a Z kernel -and- a ramses kernel in the same build |
| 18:52.53 | schurig|home | kergoth: I have an interrupt-driven matrix-based keyboard driver that works via input-driver-layer ... |
| 18:53.14 | kergoth | schurig|home: ah, sounds like what i need, except i'll need it to poll |
| 18:53.32 | kergoth | schurig|home: i think .. last i checked it only triggers an interrupt on keypress, not on release |
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| 18:53.33 | noda | Moo! |
| 18:53.40 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 18:53.53 | schurig|home | kergoth: I had a polling one, but interrupt-driven takes less power. I had to reprogramm the CPLD to get an IRQ ... (nice when you have your own board) |
| 18:54.05 | schurig|home | kergoth: polled drivers are lots available. |
| 18:54.12 | kergoth | schurig|home: yes, i know, not much to it |
| 18:54.33 | kergoth | schurig|home: ill just add a #ifdef'd poll function to your driver and alter it to use the Z keyboard matrix. patch in packages/kernel-ramses? |
| 18:54.43 | AndyQ | hey noda |
| 18:55.09 | noda | What's new? |
| 18:55.23 | schurig|home | kergoth: mine also triggers an IRQ on keypress, not on release. However, WHEN I get an keypress IRQ, I switch shortly to poll anyway. So I can create the release-events, too |
| 18:55.24 | kergoth | noda: mtd stuff done, rootfs mounts rw in 2.4.19 no problem |
| 18:55.38 | noda | kergoth: Wow! :) |
| 18:55.39 | kergoth | schurig|home: ahh |
| 18:55.56 | AndyQ | noda: trying to get the opie launcher to not scroll the background picture when scrolling icons |
| 18:56.00 | kergoth | schurig|home: so it polls for a short period after each interrupt? |
| 18:56.10 | noda | kergoth: Does it do SD, wireless and irda? :) |
| 18:56.17 | noda | AndyQ: Fun :) |
| 18:56.17 | kergoth | noda: fuck no |
| 18:56.26 | schurig|home | kergoth: I have to poll anyway because of a possible keyboard glitch (e.g. when you press a key, you have a connection for 100 ns, then no connection for 500 ns, then a steady connection). One has to detect (or at least ignore) those things. |
| 18:56.27 | kergoth | noda: it doesnt do lcd, touchscreen, or keyboard, much less those |
| 18:56.36 | AndyQ | noda: hehe - yeah its been pissing me off for a long time :) |
| 18:56.49 | kergoth | schurig|home: ah |
| 18:57.03 | noda | kergoth: lol :) |
| 18:57.11 | schurig|home | kergoth: No, patch is not in packages/kernel-ramses. It's a too-much moving target. I would end up pushing things every day. |
| 18:57.18 | kergoth | schurig|home: ah, hehe |
| 18:57.21 | kergoth | schurig|home: can you email it over? |
| 18:57.39 | kergoth | schurig|home: or shall i wget? |
| 18:58.09 | kergoth | schurig|home: er nm |
| 18:58.14 | kergoth | schurig|home: you have them locally in your drive? lol |
| 18:58.19 | kergoth | schurig|home: hack! :P |
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| 19:01.05 | schurig|home | kergoth: yes, it's in our local CVS. Currently all my patches change daily. Sometimes hourly. :-) |
| 19:01.29 | schurig|home | kergoth: the good thing is, that the hardware is not even sold, so I have complete freedom. Until March ... |
| 19:02.22 | schurig|home | kergoth: (Doooing) You have new mail! |
| 19:05.11 | kergoth | schurig|home: hehe. thanks |
| 19:07.29 | tux_mike | woo! |
| 19:07.34 | tux_mike | 11 hrs |
| 19:08.29 | schurig|home | 11hrs for what? To get from Redlands to Los Angeles? Or from Darmstadt to Frankfurt? |
| 19:09.43 | tux_mike | no... think, what is today? |
| 19:09.56 | tux_mike | oh, you don't live in the US. |
| 19:10.05 | lsmith | anything updated recently? |
| 19:10.09 | tux_mike | no. |
| 19:10.49 | kergoth | schurig|home: |
| 19:10.49 | kergoth | #define MAP_NORMAL 0 |
| 19:10.49 | kergoth | #define MAP_BLUE 1 |
| 19:10.49 | kergoth | #define MAP_ORANGE 2 |
| 19:10.50 | kergoth | #define MAP_CAPS 3 |
| 19:10.58 | kergoth | ^-these are different maps for keys which are modifiers? |
| 19:12.04 | Onyx4 | ---------------------- Receiving the following csets ----------------------- |
| 19:12.04 | Onyx4 | 1.503 |
| 19:12.04 | Onyx4 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 19:12.04 | Onyx4 | protocol error: <> |
| 19:12.07 | Onyx4 | what's that? :) |
| 19:12.11 | kergoth | Onyx4: no idea |
| 19:12.31 | Onyx4 | weird :) |
| 19:12.54 | kergoth | tux_mike: ? |
| 19:13.09 | tux_mike | kergoth: they are making certian things GPL-only in the kernel |
| 19:13.20 | tux_mike | interfaces for modules perticularlly |
| 19:13.26 | tux_mike | which pisses me off |
| 19:14.42 | noda | Isn't it stuff that modules shouldn't be doing anyway? |
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| 19:14.56 | noda | I thought they were making depreciated hacks GPL-only. |
| 19:15.00 | kergoth | hardwire: catch the mosix lecture on UMEET? |
| 19:15.12 | tux_mike | i don't know the extent. i'm takign a pissed off wait and see approch |
| 19:16.19 | tux_mike | if any of the non-gpl drivers don't work in 2.6, i'm dropping linux |
| 19:16.25 | noda | Bye :) |
| 19:16.31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:16.35 | hardwire | kergoth: newp |
| 19:16.44 | noda | Do you understand yet? -- THEY DON'T CARE :) |
| 19:17.48 | chouimat | noda: the problem is that we need driver for hardwire and GPL is crap |
| 19:17.58 | noda | Only non-GPL driver I have is my nVidia one, and I am confident that nVidia will release updated versions. |
| 19:18.19 | noda | chouimat: If I read correctly, the only "features" that will be GPL-only are features that SHOULD NOT be used. |
| 19:18.34 | benmeyer | noda: same here except the nvidia driver can't do widescreen so I ended up using the gpl'd nv drivers |
| 19:18.42 | noda | Heh :) |
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| 19:18.46 | benmeyer | which I can hack to do widescreen after a recompile |
| 19:20.25 | noda | I play games, so the nvidia driver is better for me :) |
| 19:20.34 | chouimat | noda: I got a contract to port netbsd and linux to an embedded device, but the co don't want to release the spec of their device, hmmm sound like something .... |
| 19:22.18 | kergoth | noda: its their design, if they release the specs they lose competitive advantage |
| 19:22.35 | chouimat | noda: they spend times to create that hardware so ... |
| 19:22.54 | noda | Yes, but open hardware is an advantage in itself. |
| 19:23.05 | noda | Plus can't they patent their technology? |
| 19:23.05 | kergoth | noda: and a disadvantage as well |
| 19:23.16 | chouimat | noda: explain that to marketing guys :) |
| 19:23.28 | chouimat | :) |
| 19:24.35 | MSpin | Linus seems to be moody when it coms to this licensing crap |
| 19:24.55 | kergoth | chouimat: can i help? |
| 19:25.10 | prpplague | chouimat: can i get in on that? |
| 19:25.25 | prpplague | chouimat: i just call them sales mutants |
| 19:25.27 | chouimat | kergoth: found the addresses of the locomo designers |
| 19:25.32 | chouimat | :) |
| 19:26.08 | chouimat | prpplague: I just say "Yes, sirs" and in their back "ASSHOLES" |
| 19:26.55 | prpplague | chouimat: in their backs? or to their backs ? lol |
| 19:27.17 | chouimat | prpplague: when they are not in the same room |
| 19:27.18 | Onyx4 | does anyone doesn't have a viking card and seeing the CF eject problem? |
| 19:30.02 | benmeyer | kergoth: can you have the default wireless.opts file say Managed and not "Managed" same with any and "any" |
| 19:30.17 | kergoth | benmeyer: ? |
| 19:30.20 | kergoth | benmeyer: for what? |
| 19:30.24 | kergoth | doesnt matter |
| 19:30.55 | benmeyer | sense I didn't add script gen support |
| 19:31.09 | benmeyer | thus in QString() any != "any" |
| 19:31.25 | kergoth | schurig|home: couldnt you handle BLUE and ORANGE mappings using loadkeys, or must it be hardcoded? |
| 19:31.55 | benmeyer | Just to make it work until I can get that in |
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| 19:34.26 | guised | is there anyway that i can move icons from one tab to another and get rid of a tab |
| 19:34.26 | guised | ? |
| 19:35.38 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: did you get multikey working at all? |
| 19:37.40 | lsmith | guised: opie-tabmanager |
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| 19:39.00 | AndyQ | ibot oz buildroot |
| 19:39.33 | AndyQ | ibot: oz buildroot |
| 19:39.43 | AndyQ | picobot oz buildroot |
| 19:39.43 | PicoBot | AndyQ: i'm not following you... |
| 19:39.58 | AndyQ | ibot where are you? |
| 19:39.59 | | i heard ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 19:40.17 | AndyQ | ibot oz bk |
| 19:40.19 | | rumour has it, oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
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| 19:43.01 | MSpin | hrm, metrowerks is really trying hard for the embeded market |
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| 19:44.03 | Dessimat0r | lo all :D |
| 19:44.21 | AndyQ | Hey Dessimat0r |
| 19:44.38 | AndyQ | I sometimes REALLY HATE XChat! |
| 19:44.48 | Dessimat0r | is lol |
| 19:44.57 | Dessimat0r | rm is |
| 19:45.32 | AndyQ | ibot lart xchat |
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| 19:45.36 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 19:45.53 | Dessimat0r | Unstable feed was rebuilt yesterday? |
| 19:46.09 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: yes, multikey works fine now |
| 19:46.15 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: yeah - not sure what was new except kergoth put a patch for the slow suspend |
| 19:46.18 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: as does keyboard and dvorak which were b0rked as well |
| 19:46.19 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 19:46.21 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: cool |
| 19:46.24 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 19:46.30 | Dessimat0r | 0wnage :D |
| 19:46.41 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: heh - don't give a four X about keyboard and dvorak :) |
| 19:46.50 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ, Dessimat0r: read changelog. everything that was changed is in there, along with opie update |
| 19:46.55 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: me neither, but hey |
| 19:47.28 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: hmmm - got latest multikey installed from unstable but it doesn't show in launcher |
| 19:47.36 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: install pickboard |
| 19:47.46 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: its required for multikey to function |
| 19:47.53 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: ahhhhhh - k |
| 19:49.07 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: unstable doesn't seen to have either a pickboard or an opie-pickboard - is it under a different name or am I just dense this evening? |
| 19:49.21 | kergoth`lunch | .. should be opie-pickboard.. |
| 19:49.23 | kergoth`lunch | its in the rom.. |
| 19:49.28 | kergoth`lunch | should be in th efeed |
| 19:50.26 | kergoth`lunch | lol |
| 19:50.39 | AndyQ | always helps if you look at the feed instead of the installed packages view! |
| 19:50.43 | AndyQ | ibot lart AndyQ |
| 19:50.43 | kergoth`lunch | lol |
| 19:50.48 | kergoth`lunch | and you wrote it.. thats bad.. :P |
| 19:51.03 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: multikey doesnt Depend on pickboard? can you check the ipkg info? |
| 19:51.04 | AndyQ | fortunatly I can blame it on my now feeling well :) |
| 19:51.13 | kergoth`lunch | hehe |
| 19:51.48 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: hmmm - I've had a few instances where ipkg doesn't install dependancies but other times it does fine |
| 19:52.03 | AndyQ | e.g xmms-e installed mplayer OK but miltikey didn't install pickboard |
| 19:52.07 | kergoth`lunch | weird |
| 19:52.23 | AndyQ | yeah - and bet I can't replicate it :) |
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| 19:52.49 | AndyQ | wooo - welcome back multikey |
| 19:53.04 | djax | Hi, are there languagepackages for a german environment for opie/openzaurus available? |
| 19:53.16 | AndyQ | not that I need to use it now I'm wireless but its nice for those times when I can't be arsed to open the keyboard :) |
| 19:53.30 | kergoth`lunch | djax: yep, they're in the feeds |
| 19:53.34 | kergoth`lunch | djax: opie-i18n-de |
| 19:53.47 | djax | kergoth`lunch: Thank You. |
| 19:53.49 | kergoth`lunch | np |
| 19:54.03 | dep | kergoth: i (finally) have some channges to opie-backup. Who gets them and in what format? |
| 19:54.40 | kergoth`lunch | dep: diff. unified. mail to openzaurus-devel@lists.sf.net |
| 19:55.19 | AndyQ | oh damn it - looks like I'm stuck with a scrolly opie background |
| 19:55.57 | kergoth`lunch | hehe |
| 19:55.58 | kergoth`lunch | give up? |
| 19:56.00 | AndyQ | just really not in the mood to try to understand what QIconView is doing! and I suppose it doesn't really make much sense to hack it to bits |
| 19:56.31 | kergoth`lunch | ah yeah |
| 19:56.39 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: don't think so - I really want a static background for opie and just to have the icons scroll (I think), but I may need to do a seperate widget |
| 19:57.36 | AndyQ | hmmm - need to learn more about how QT works |
| 19:58.48 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: what order are you working on the rom in - lcd, keyboard,.... or what? - just curious |
| 19:59.42 | AndyQ | WOOOOO - Slashdot has an ad for the Zaurus on the front page (probably just luck I saw it though) |
| 19:59.50 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: lcd and keyboard are top priority |
| 20:00.10 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: then the tc35143af chip, which includes mic in, buzzer, touchscreen, of which touchscreen comes first |
| 20:00.15 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: all the audio drivers will be last |
| 20:00.23 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: after TS i'll do pcmcia |
| 20:00.51 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: cool - how long do you reckon to get it working (approx) |
| 20:01.14 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: knowing how many things i'm juggling atm, week or two |
| 20:01.34 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: thats pretty impressive! |
| 20:01.36 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: I'm still a newbie in like every area |
| 20:01.43 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: need to spend time and get good at something |
| 20:01.45 | kergoth`lunch | hehe |
| 20:01.47 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: hehe |
| 20:02.13 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: yeah - I'm trying that but keep getting dragged into too many things at work |
| 20:02.21 | kergoth`lunch | know how that is |
| 20:02.26 | kergoth`lunch | just not enough hours in the day |
| 20:02.56 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: its been like 5 or 6 years now since I had the chance to touch C/C++ and I'd forgotten how fun/difficult/fustrating it was (all at the same time) |
| 20:02.57 | chouimat | hmmm, we are moving our lan to ipv6 in january |
| 20:03.05 | kergoth`lunch | heh |
| 20:03.38 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: The Z has been probably one of the best things I've ever bought I think |
| 20:03.50 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: me too, its been a great hobby |
| 20:04.16 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: hehe - I learned C 12 years ago, c++ about 9 and jave the last 5 |
| 20:04.32 | kergoth`lunch | damn |
| 20:04.33 | kergoth`lunch | heh |
| 20:04.38 | kergoth`lunch | lots of exp |
| 20:05.09 | AndyQ | I almost learned asm when I was 9 but couldn't get around the fact that it took me 20 lines of asm code to write an A in the top left hand corner of the screen when I could do it in one easy line in basic |
| 20:05.21 | kergoth`lunch | hah |
| 20:05.23 | chouimat | kergoth`lunch: learned C 11 years, C++ and clipper 9 years ago, before that I was using BASIC09 |
| 20:05.29 | AndyQ | boy do I regret that decision now :) |
| 20:05.58 | chouimat | AndyQ: which CPU? |
| 20:06.04 | kergoth`lunch | I learned basic at around 8-9 as well.. then visual basic.. UGH.. then no coding for about 4-5 years, then learned c |
| 20:06.08 | kergoth`lunch | brb |
| 20:06.16 | AndyQ | chouimat: C64 - can't remmeber what it had (too long ago) |
| 20:06.18 | AndyQ | my first computer was an 8K Commodore PET which we got upgraded to a massive 16K |
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| 20:06.22 | kergoth`lunch | er stuff ASM in there somewhere, before c but after vb |
| 20:06.45 | chouimat | AndyQ: 6502. I had a ZX81 and a color computer 3 |
| 20:06.54 | Garf_ | Apple ][ |
| 20:07.10 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: I agree - that screwed me up for years! |
| 20:07.16 | kergoth`lunch | I learned on our xt. tandy 1000hx |
| 20:07.18 | chouimat | kergoth`lunch: basic in those time was good for prototyping :) |
| 20:07.28 | kergoth`lunch | chouimat: i'd rather have learned c first :) |
| 20:07.46 | kergoth`lunch | as /me stuffs a goto in his code and cackles evilly |
| 20:07.48 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: hehe yeah - but when I started coding, C hadn't even been thought of :) |
| 20:07.49 | chouimat | kergoth`lunch: naw SQL it's easier :P |
| 20:08.16 | chouimat|away | bbl |
| 20:08.18 | AndyQ | you can do evil stuff with it :) |
| 20:08.24 | kergoth`lunch | sql is spiffy |
| 20:08.25 | AndyQ | later |
| 20:08.30 | chouimat|away | AndyQ: imagine PL/SQL :) |
| 20:08.32 | kergoth`lunch | learned it when i was learning php |
| 20:08.46 | AndyQ | chouimat|away: I did a little PL/SQL - its pretty neat |
| 20:09.24 | AndyQ | we had database issues and our DB team weren't quite up to the job (too many other commitments) so I dived in learned it and wrote tons of stuff |
| 20:09.31 | AndyQ | all of it still in use today :) |
| 20:09.38 | AndyQ | god help them! |
| 20:09.44 | chouimat|away | AndyQ: learned SQL with RBASE |
| 20:10.31 | AndyQ | BA put me through a 3 month C course (when I joined them), followed immediatly by a Rexx course (which I never used) then 3 1 week Oracle courses |
| 20:10.38 | AndyQ | those were the days :) |
| 20:11.21 | kergoth`lunch | i was going to join the us navy, right before i signed the -last- paper, at the last minute, i backed out |
| 20:11.25 | kergoth`lunch | heh |
| 20:11.27 | AndyQ | then I started real work and they put me on mainframes writing basic reports that a two year old could have writted :) |
| 20:12.13 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: regret it now? |
| 20:12.23 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: yeah, i think the experience would have been good for me |
| 20:12.34 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: was going to go into their nuclear program, aced all the tests and crap |
| 20:13.10 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: wow - that would have been cool - so why did you back out? |
| 20:13.40 | kergoth`lunch | AndyQ: didnt want to be stuck on a sub/carrier for that long. I've never been a water person |
| 20:13.53 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: hehe - I can appreciate that one :) |
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| 20:14.17 | kergoth`lunch | wouldve been a pilot but my eyesight wouldnt have been good enough |
| 20:14.30 | kergoth`lunch | so instead i end up working my ass off in SALES, WAREHOUSE, and finally TECH SUPPORT |
| 20:14.31 | AndyQ | I blew out on going to university to work where I'm working now |
| 20:15.38 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: hehe - Tech Support - fun! |
| 20:15.43 | kergoth`lunch | whee |
| 20:16.09 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: but then look on the bright side - you get to spend working days playing with OZ :) |
| 20:16.18 | kergoth`lunch | oh *that* makes up for it |
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| 20:16.36 | AndyQ | well - every cloud has a silver lining :> |
| 20:16.50 | kergoth`lunch | but millions of people die every year trying to find it |
| 20:16.57 | kergoth`lunch | isnt that one fo those things from thinkgeek? |
| 20:17.00 | kergoth`lunch | demotivators |
| 20:17.03 | AndyQ | indeed |
| 20:17.12 | AndyQ | I like demotivators |
| 20:17.36 | AndyQ | it always makes me think that life could be worse |
| 20:17.40 | kergoth`lunch | yeah me too. |
| 20:17.50 | kergoth`lunch | course being in support i'm becoming a cynic |
| 20:17.54 | AndyQ | infact dilbert is good for that |
| 20:17.54 | kergoth`lunch | and finding i agree with some of them |
| 20:17.55 | kergoth`lunch | lol |
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| 20:18.16 | AndyQ | kergoth`lunch: I got there long time ago - in fact - its a standing joke at work |
| 20:18.35 | kergoth`lunch | hehe |
| 20:18.59 | AndyQ | bfortunatly - its not true ;) |
| 20:20.24 | AndyQ | cool - decess author not guilty! |
| 20:20.32 | kergoth`lunch | woo |
| 20:20.38 | AndyQ | http://rss.com.com/2100-1023-978176.html?type=pt&part=rss&tag=feed&subj=news |
| 20:20.47 | AndyQ | update SAN JOSE, Calif.--A jury on Tuesday found a Russian software company not guilty of criminal copyright charges for producing a program that can crack antipiracy protections on electronic books |
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| 20:22.56 | dep | 'bk pull' gives 'receiving following changesets', the list of sets, then "protocol error: <>" ??? |
| 20:23.55 | Onyx4 | yes same here |
| 20:23.55 | Onyx4 | I think it's a problem with the bk server |
| 20:24.30 | dep | onyx4: must be...it had some problems the other night too |
| 20:24.34 | AndyQ | Onyx4: just blew away my buildroot coz of that) and am getting a new one out and so far - no problems - (its just building the kernel now) |
| 20:24.41 | MSpin | AndyQ: that wasn't the decss case |
| 20:24.51 | Onyx4 | it was the ebook case right |
| 20:24.51 | AndyQ | MSpin: no? |
| 20:24.55 | MSpin | yeah |
| 20:25.03 | AndyQ | I thought it was all in one |
| 20:25.10 | MSpin | "electronic books" elcomsoft |
| 20:25.11 | MSpin | nope |
| 20:25.26 | MSpin | the decss guy is being tried in europe |
| 20:25.36 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: can you imagine how much asm would be needed to just connect to the internet? ;) |
| 20:25.38 | AndyQ | oh damn - but the ruling may help possibly? |
| 20:25.50 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: don't even want to think about it :) |
| 20:25.53 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: heh |
| 20:26.16 | Dessimat0r | people who code in asm are MAD, MAD I tell you ;) |
| 20:27.23 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: yeah - I agree nowadays, but 10 years ago it was considered pretty cool AND I seriously respect the guys at work who can patch code on the fly in our mainframe systems by looking at hex dumps and manually patching them! |
| 20:27.36 | AndyQ | Don't know why but wish it was a skill I had :) |
| 20:27.37 | Dessimat0r | yeah :D |
| 20:27.42 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:27.51 | Onyx4 | Dessimat0r: you seeing the CF resume problem right? |
| 20:27.55 | AndyQ | possibly would have been a hit with girls :) |
| 20:27.59 | kergoth`lunch | asm is still useful for hand optimization at times |
| 20:28.12 | Dessimat0r | Onyx4: need to update to latest feed |
| 20:28.13 | AndyQ | hehe - imaging - hey fancy going out with me? I can patch a hexdump by hand you know |
| 20:28.15 | Onyx4 | Dessimat0r: what cf card/size you have? |
| 20:28.16 | Dessimat0r | doing so now ;) |
| 20:28.22 | AndyQ | what a chatup line that is |
| 20:28.24 | MSpin | ASM is great for *everything* if you talk to that Gibson guy |
| 20:28.35 | kergoth`lunch | heh |
| 20:28.49 | Dessimat0r | 256mb CF, PQI |
| 20:28.53 | Dessimat0r | CF resume problem? |
| 20:29.07 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 20:29.13 | Dessimat0r | you mean where it says new disk found? |
| 20:29.17 | Onyx4 | yep |
| 20:29.21 | Dessimat0r | hold on ;) |
| 20:29.28 | Onyx4 | do you have a smaller card like 32 or 64mb? |
| 20:29.37 | kergoth | Onyx4: note the pcmcia-cs version upgrade in changelog |
| 20:29.47 | Onyx4 | kergoth: you upgraded it? |
| 20:30.06 | kergoth | Onyx4: i thought you did? |
| 20:30.08 | kergoth | ;) |
| 20:30.16 | Onyx4 | no, only on my system so far, did not push anything |
| 20:30.27 | Onyx4 | because there is no debian package available |
| 20:30.31 | kergoth | well push it, it shouldnt hurt anything. |
| 20:30.38 | Onyx4 | so if I go with 3.2.3 I have to port the debian patch to that version |
| 20:30.43 | kergoth | you do? |
| 20:30.50 | kergoth | oftentimes it applies cleanly |
| 20:30.51 | Onyx4 | there's only one file to remove which barks out |
| 20:30.54 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:30.55 | kergoth | cool |
| 20:30.59 | Onyx4 | so I'd put a local copy of it in bk I guess |
| 20:31.06 | Onyx4 | the rest applied clean |
| 20:31.06 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:31.14 | kergoth | unless you want to sed the downloaded patch. /me shudders |
| 20:31.19 | Onyx4 | so I can do that if you want, I'll just wait until bk is back online |
| 20:31.24 | Onyx4 | is seems hosed right now |
| 20:31.28 | kergoth | k cool |
| 20:31.28 | Dessimat0r | the suspend problem no longer occurs for me, CF is formatted in ext2 |
| 20:31.30 | kergoth | atually |
| 20:31.33 | kergoth | bkbits is working fine here |
| 20:31.43 | kergoth | i've pushed and pulled stuff from linux-cl, not from openzaurus recently |
| 20:31.44 | Onyx4 | Dessimat0r: mmm interesting, what did you change? |
| 20:31.54 | Dessimat0r | Onyx4: upgraded to oz3.0 rc1 |
| 20:31.55 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 20:32.14 | AndyQ | kergoth: hehe - on new Z forums - TMM1 posted a request for 2.4.19 assistance - thread topic: 2.4.19 on OpenZaurus. 1 reply - 109 views |
| 20:32.27 | Dessimat0r | I've got two other CF cards |
| 20:32.29 | Dessimat0r | I'll try them |
| 20:32.35 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 20:32.36 | kergoth | AndyQ: hah, why am i not surprised ;) |
| 20:32.53 | AndyQ | kergoth: lots of people want it - not enough skills |
| 20:32.56 | Onyx4 | Dessimat0r: so far it seems that only people with latest OZ and 512mb viking are seeing the problem somehow |
| 20:33.12 | kergoth | AndyQ: guess theres nobody like me who lacks the skills but wants it bad enough to gain them ;) |
| 20:33.13 | AndyQ | kergoth: if there is anything not too challengine that I can take of your hands or assist with - let me know |
| 20:33.27 | Dessimat0r | happens with this CF card... |
| 20:33.49 | Dessimat0r | Jenoptic 32mb FAT16 |
| 20:33.56 | Dessimat0r | CF |
| 20:34.44 | schurig|home | kergoth: I was away for some time... the MAP_NORMAL..MAP_CAPS are different layers of functions for the same keys. I have a blue and a orange key, which shift to different |
| 20:34.53 | Dessimat0r | happens with PNY CF 64mb in FAT16 |
| 20:34.59 | Dessimat0r | maybe its only FAT16 cards? |
| 20:35.21 | schurig|home | kergoth: funktions. Basically I map my own scancodes to input-layer-keycodes and submit them. |
| 20:36.20 | AndyQ | kergoth: hehe - you started a OZ naming competition on the mailing lists :) |
| 20:36.27 | benmeyer | hey here is an idea. Rather then having a application key app when you hold on an app and the little dialog pops up you set it there |
| 20:36.43 | Dessimat0r | Opie has crashed from taking out the CF card while mediamount detected it as being mounted :D |
| 20:36.45 | AndyQ | current favorite seems to be to just OZ and release names ala Dorethy, Toto, etc |
| 20:36.48 | benmeyer | so you would only have to list the 5 keys rather then the 50 applications |
| 20:37.49 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: Tornado would be a cool build name ;) |
| 20:38.02 | Dessimat0r | as the house was sucked up in one |
| 20:38.04 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 20:38.12 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: indeed - then (as someone pointed out) you could have witch for unstable :) |
| 20:38.17 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 20:38.27 | Dessimat0r | and 'wicked' |
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| 20:38.49 | kergoth | schurig|home: right. i could do something similar for Fn+ and the modifier for the umlaut and the rest in the german Z keymapping |
| 20:39.10 | kergoth | schurig|home: isnt there a way to conrol this mapping dynamically rather than hardcoded in the driver? |
| 20:39.23 | kergoth | schurig|home: i'm still a bit of a newbie to the whole keyboard/input layer system.. |
| 20:39.27 | schurig|home | kergoth: I need to add ioctls or a syscall or such. |
| 20:39.44 | kergoth | schurig|home: how does loadkeys work? |
| 20:40.07 | schurig|home | kergoth: you can change the mapping of input-layer-keycodes to real-characters on the fly. But Qt/E opens the keyboard in raw mode, so this won't give you much. |
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| 20:40.44 | schurig|home | kergoth: good question, I haven't looked at loadkey much. I need something similar for my keyboard driver. You also can see that my arrays are bigger than currently needed, |
| 20:40.51 | kergoth | schurig|home: ah, gotcha. so qt/e and loadkeys let you change the input layer keycodes to real char translation .. theres no way to handle a modifier at that level? |
| 20:40.55 | kergoth | schurig|home: yeah |
| 20:41.18 | kergoth | schurig|home: i'd prefer to pass up even the modifier key as a normal scancode, and handle the mapping dynamically, if its possible... i dont even know if it is ;) |
| 20:41.34 | schurig|home | kergoth: AFAIK loadkeys is ONLY for the text-mode console. Qt/E has src/kernel/qwskeyboard_qws.cpp. And XWindows has xmodmap. |
| 20:42.17 | kergoth | schurig|home: yes, thats correct.. I'd rather qt/e not open it in raw mode, but i guess there are reasons for it to get the raw codes |
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| 20:42.51 | schurig|home | kergoth: I could have passed my hardware based scancodes in raw-mode, but that does not work very well with the input-layer. So I convert stuff anyway first to pc-like keycodes and send them, even in raw mode. |
| 20:43.26 | Onyx4 | kergoth: ok i've got my changeset ready for pcmcia, but I can't send it until this bk protocol error goes away |
| 20:43.41 | schurig|home | The KEY_ from linux/include/linux/input.h are almost like on a PC keyboard (you can use showkeys in text-mode on your x86 to check them) |
| 20:44.10 | kergoth | schurig|home: ahh gotcha. so you think I should handle the FN+ and german keyboard modifiers the same way you handle blue/orange? |
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| 20:44.17 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 20:45.04 | schurig|home | kergoth: maybe. For german umlauts one needs to change qkeyboard_qws.cpp, too. I have such a keyboard and it sends just the normal keycodes like your [ ] keys when I press ö or ä |
| 20:45.28 | kergoth | schurig|home: yeah, i expected that |
| 20:45.35 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:45.40 | Dessimat0r | Onyx4: Did you see my reports about which of my CF cards had the problem and which didn't |
| 20:45.43 | Dessimat0r | ? |
| 20:45.56 | Onyx4 | Dessimat0r: no |
| 20:46.31 | Dessimat0r | Onyx4: lol, I posted it in here |
| 20:46.40 | Onyx4 | ok I see it now |
| 20:46.42 | Dessimat0r | Onyx4: ;) |
| 20:46.45 | Onyx4 | so the vfat cards have the problem? |
| 20:46.50 | Dessimat0r | perhaps |
| 20:46.54 | schurig|home | Onyx4: I have protocol error too (getting stuff via anonymous BK) |
| 20:46.55 | Onyx4 | I know that we're trying to call fsck.auto and that fails |
| 20:47.21 | Onyx4 | but this is after a start, and start shouldn't happen in the first place |
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| 20:47.40 | schurig|home | Onyx4: it looks like a fresh bk clone works, thought |
| 20:48.02 | Onyx4 | yeah I need to push this changeset... guess I'll wait a few hours and see |
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| 20:48.21 | aman | hey gys |
| 20:48.28 | Dessimat0r | lo |
| 20:48.33 | lsmith | aloha aman |
| 20:48.34 | aman | kergoth whats up with .19 |
| 20:48.55 | guised | does anyone know if i need to install mplayer to get xmms to play video? |
| 20:48.59 | kergoth | aman: rootfs mounted readwrite, so mtd is working fine |
| 20:49.02 | kergoth | aman: i'm at a prompt atm |
| 20:49.07 | aman | kergoth wwooonnderful |
| 20:49.13 | kergoth | aman: working on the keyboard driver, basing it on schurig's driver for ramses |
| 20:49.24 | aman | kergoth so we have what left? ts, keyboard, audio, irda, what else? |
| 20:49.30 | aman | fb |
| 20:49.33 | MSpin | I'm glad I don't have that annoying keyboard problem:) |
| 20:49.43 | MSpin | (on the ADS boards that is_ |
| 20:49.46 | Onyx4 | what problem? |
| 20:50.06 | MSpin | having to write a KB driver:) |
| 20:50.09 | aman | Onyx4 get my botmail? mplayer latest from cvs won't copmile |
| 20:50.19 | aman | kergoth push your fix for suspend isssue.. what was causing it? |
| 20:50.39 | Onyx4 | aman: didnt see a botmail no, they'll probably fix it, unless it fails because of our patch? |
| 20:50.49 | Onyx4 | aman: worse case we'll force a cvsdate |
| 20:50.59 | aman | Onyx4 no, its cuz it builds a binary and tries to use it |
| 20:51.07 | schurig|home | MSpin: I have more annoying problems in the next time. Writing an MMC driver, writing an USB Host driver, and other such niceties. But, in the end, it's fun. Very rewarding when you see piece after piece of the hardware working as expected. |
| 20:51.14 | kergoth | aman: its already pushed |
| 20:51.18 | kergoth | aman: apmd |
| 20:51.20 | aman | kergoth great |
| 20:51.40 | aman | Onyx4 it builds a codec-cf that it uses to build a .h out of codecs.conf -- but its cross compiled... |
| 20:51.41 | kergoth | Onyx4: you have to -check- your botmail |
| 20:51.44 | kergoth | Onyx4: he doesnt notify you |
| 20:51.46 | Onyx4 | kergoth: the new apmd is indeed faster, good thing |
| 20:51.48 | kergoth | Onyx4: its annoying |
| 20:51.52 | kergoth | Onyx4: /msg ibot botmail check |
| 20:51.52 | aman | anyway, gtg. bbl |
| 20:51.54 | kergoth | er |
| 20:51.57 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:51.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:52.10 | MSpin | schurig|home: very true:) what chip are you using for the host controler? |
| 20:52.34 | schurig|home | MSpin: can't say from home. Some chip where a patchset is in Russel King's patch tracking system. |
| 20:52.45 | Onyx4 | aman: yeah we'll use a cvs fixed date until they fix this problem or we can workaround it |
| 20:53.20 | Onyx4 | bbl |
| 20:53.32 | Dessimat0r | is it safe to enable compression over SSH? On the Zaurus, in the SSH config file, compression is disabled |
| 20:53.41 | MSpin | k, because I think the ADS people have support for the SA1111 |
| 20:53.59 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: it gets disabled anyway, i dotn remember why |
| 20:54.03 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 20:54.05 | Dessimat0r | alright |
| 20:54.07 | schurig|home | MSpin: we don't have SA1111. |
| 20:54.14 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: disabling it in the config file at least shuts it up when it dump sthe message saying its not enabling it |
| 20:54.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:55.03 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 20:55.26 | schurig|home | Onyx4: Hmm, have to tried to do a fresh bk clone, copy your files over and commit? |
| 20:55.52 | Onyx4 | schurig|home: no... it's not that urgent anyway I'll just wait |
| 20:56.00 | Onyx4 | the new pcmcia doesn't seem to be any help so far |
| 20:56.10 | Onyx4 | I have an ipk already built if you need one |
| 20:56.20 | Onyx4 | http://feed.onyx4.com/experimental/pcmcia-cs_3.2.3-1_arm.ipk |
| 20:56.24 | schurig|home | Onyx4: I just guess your problem won't go away from waiting. I had to bk clone fresh to get rid of the protocol error. |
| 20:56.58 | Onyx4 | mmm well what if it's caused by a server glitch , dunno |
| 20:57.11 | Onyx4 | when I get back home from work, I'll try again |
| 20:58.52 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: in the unstable feed, you have a lesser version of aqpkg than the one in the OZ3.1RC1 feed |
| 20:59.10 | MSpin | schurig|home: ahhh |
| 20:59.15 | Dessimat0r | 1.7 in the unstable feed |
| 20:59.19 | Dessimat0r | 1.8 in the other feed |
| 20:59.37 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: eh? |
| 20:59.40 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: its built from cvs |
| 20:59.56 | Dessimat0r | crap! ignore me |
| 20:59.58 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:59.58 | kergoth | if 1.7 is in cvs .. |
| 20:59.59 | kergoth | then.. |
| 21:00.09 | Dessimat0r | its another file on the CF card |
| 21:00.17 | Dessimat0r | an older version |
| 21:01.02 | Dessimat0r | needs to be removed from my CF card ;) |
| 21:01.54 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:03.29 | Dessimat0r | OZ has certainly come a long way since I started using it ;) |
| 21:04.14 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: I agree |
| 21:04.24 | AndyQ | Its so much better than the default ROM! |
| 21:04.44 | Dessimat0r | yeah ;) |
| 21:04.56 | Dessimat0r | the default ROM used to be better |
| 21:05.00 | Dessimat0r | now it sucks arse ;) |
| 21:05.05 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 21:05.47 | kergoth | just wait till 2.4.19-rmk4-cl1 is fully up and runnin |
| 21:05.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:05.58 | AndyQ | can't wait! |
| 21:06.00 | Dessimat0r | Yeah, I can't wait! |
| 21:06.02 | Dessimat0r | :D |
| 21:06.06 | AndyQ | kergoth: that has a new jffs doesn't it? |
| 21:06.17 | killefiz | kergoth: you're making good progress on 2.4.19-rmk4-cl? |
| 21:06.19 | Dessimat0r | ooh, a new JFFS2 :D |
| 21:06.22 | schurig|home | When it's fully up it will be 2.4.20-rmkX ... |
| 21:06.28 | Dessimat0r | will this decrease writes, read times, etc? |
| 21:06.59 | AndyQ | kergoth: also, will it be easier to move to newer kernels as the need arises later then? |
| 21:07.08 | kergoth | schurig|home: that wont be out till midjanuary.. i'm hoping it doesnt take me that long ;) |
| 21:07.52 | schurig|home | AndyQ: certainly. When you have nice, little patches for the various functionality, then it's easy to move to a newer kernel. Incrementally moving is way easier than doing it in huge steps. |
| 21:08.08 | AndyQ | excellent |
| 21:08.10 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:08.15 | *** part/#openzaurus guised (~guised@S64-216.DATANET.NYU.EDU) |
| 21:08.21 | lsmith | and if i got kergoth right he is kicking out lineo stuff? |
| 21:08.28 | kergoth | lsmith: as much as i can |
| 21:08.32 | kergoth | lsmith: rewriting some bits |
| 21:08.38 | lsmith | so that should also make things easier |
| 21:08.41 | kergoth | lsmith: lots of it has to stay around due to our lack of docs, cnat improve certain bits |
| 21:10.17 | Dessimat0r | and SD driver :/ |
| 21:13.16 | chouimat | kergoth: where is the source of you 2.4.19 kernel? |
| 21:15.43 | kergoth | chouimat: linux-cl.bkbits.net/linux-arm-2.4-collie |
| 21:15.59 | chouimat | kergoth: bk clone? |
| 21:16.00 | benmeyer | Medum Mount's application doesn't have a caption |
| 21:16.03 | kergoth | chouimat: yep |
| 21:16.47 | benmeyer | "Shutdown"'s caption is "Shut down..." |
| 21:16.49 | benmeyer | bla |
| 21:16.55 | benmeyer | didn't I report that in may? |
| 21:16.59 | sandman_ | benmeyer: Medium mount is already reported in mantis |
| 21:17.03 | benmeyer | ok |
| 21:17.58 | sandman_ | benmeyer: shut down is fixed now |
| 21:18.11 | benmeyer | Security is wrong too |
| 21:18.23 | benmeyer | Light and Power too |
| 21:18.34 | benmeyer | As is Launcher |
| 21:19.02 | benmeyer | Application Key is wrong too |
| 21:19.02 | sandman_ | benmeyer: Whats wrong with "Security Settings" ? |
| 21:19.15 | benmeyer | The application is "Security" |
| 21:19.26 | sandman_ | And it is a setting application |
| 21:19.30 | benmeyer | either change the desktop file or the applications's caption |
| 21:19.43 | kergoth | since when does description have to be identical to the binary fn? |
| 21:19.47 | sandman_ | nope .. every setting application should say so in the caption |
| 21:19.55 | benmeyer | kergoth: i never said it did |
| 21:20.04 | benmeyer | the caption under the icon doesn't match the applciation's caption |
| 21:20.08 | sandman_ | kergoth: he means window title |
| 21:20.10 | kergoth | ahh |
| 21:20.12 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 21:20.29 | benmeyer | sandman_: ok then ever caption for the icons should say settings under the name |
| 21:20.35 | sandman_ | benmeyer: but why need these be the same ??? |
| 21:20.46 | kergoth | sandman_: consistency |
| 21:20.59 | benmeyer | exactly |
| 21:21.07 | sandman_ | You have more room in the caption as in the icon-view |
| 21:21.14 | benmeyer | yah.... |
| 21:21.15 | benmeyer | so? |
| 21:21.22 | benmeyer | they should still be the same |
| 21:21.31 | sandman_ | do what you like |
| 21:21.36 | kergoth | if its not consistent it appears unprofessional |
| 21:21.38 | kergoth | shoddy |
| 21:21.41 | kergoth | imho |
| 21:22.05 | sandman_ | IMHO it should state foobar *Settings* |
| 21:22.08 | benmeyer | especially in cases like shutdown where in the caption is says shutdown and in the caption is says shut down |
| 21:22.12 | benmeyer | there is no reason for that error |
| 21:22.36 | sandman_ | Becuase this are Launcher Settings and not the Launcher itself |
| 21:22.38 | benmeyer | sandman_: if they all did that then I would be happy |
| 21:22.40 | kergoth | sandman_: then all settings apps should be that way. consistent |
| 21:23.13 | benmeyer | but even now they don't even match up with or without the Settings attached |
| 21:23.15 | sandman_ | And there is no need to put the "Settings" in the icon view .. the tab clearly states that you are looking at settings |
| 21:23.48 | benmeyer | Icon Caption "Date/Time" App title: "System Time" |
| 21:24.06 | benmeyer | hehe even I am guilty |
| 21:24.09 | benmeyer | Network Setup |
| 21:25.09 | Dessimat0r | lol, its fading upon reboot.. luckily, i have 64-0 ;) |
| 21:26.03 | kergoth | sandman_: right. so none of them should have Settings in their icon view |
| 21:26.12 | AndyQ | ibot fnvncserver |
| 21:26.14 | | AndyQ: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:26.38 | benmeyer | hmmm I don't set my caption |
| 21:26.41 | benmeyer | who does? |
| 21:26.53 | benmeyer | oh wait |
| 21:26.56 | sandman_ | benmeyer: ui |
| 21:26.57 | benmeyer | found it in the ui file |
| 21:27.14 | sandman_ | kergoth: IMHO - yes |
| 21:27.30 | AndyQ | benmeyer: quick question - does OZ support a 128 bit WEP key? |
| 21:27.34 | kergoth | AndyQ: yep |
| 21:27.43 | benmeyer | so someone needs to change apeariance |
| 21:27.50 | AndyQ | cool |
| 21:28.04 | benmeyer | to say "Apeariance Settings" and not "Apreaance" (with correct spelling of course) |
| 21:28.15 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:28.16 | sandman_ | benmeyer: I'm currently checking all settings |
| 21:28.17 | benmeyer | AndyQ: not sure, but would like to know myself |
| 21:28.17 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 21:28.22 | Dessimat0r | Appearance ;) |
| 21:28.24 | benmeyer | sandman_: cool |
| 21:28.28 | Dessimat0r | hmm |
| 21:28.39 | benmeyer | AndyQ: and I am the network setup author hehe |
| 21:28.47 | AndyQ | benmeyer: lol |
| 21:28.52 | Dessimat0r | Appearance is right ;) |
| 21:29.05 | benmeyer | on my todo, that is why it currently is just a text box |
| 21:29.06 | Dessimat0r | just checked on Google ;) |
| 21:29.12 | AndyQ | benmeyer: wonder what the format should be |
| 21:29.28 | AndyQ | hmmm xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx lots of times ? |
| 21:29.32 | benmeyer | What about AQPkg? |
| 21:29.50 | benmeyer | shoudl that be Package Settings? |
| 21:29.53 | AndyQ | benmeyer: what about AQPkg - its title is AQPkg - Package Manager :) |
| 21:30.01 | kergoth | AndyQ: you just enter in a 128 bit hex key |
| 21:30.06 | kergoth | AndyQ: nothing special |
| 21:30.08 | *** join/#openzaurus kolla (~kolla@firda.home.uninett.no) |
| 21:30.14 | AndyQ | kergoth: that easy? |
| 21:30.36 | benmeyer | yup |
| 21:30.36 | kergoth | AndyQ: that easy |
| 21:30.37 | AndyQ | woot! |
| 21:30.42 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
| 21:30.43 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm back |
| 21:30.46 | AndyQ | did anyone write an fbvcn faq? |
| 21:30.48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hey |
| 21:30.57 | benmeyer | Konsole's caption says Terminal |
| 21:30.57 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you hear.. jserv got kaffe with gui working |
| 21:31.02 | kergoth | chouimat: you cloning linux-arm-2.4-collie? its locked ;) |
| 21:31.05 | benmeyer | Can someone change that? |
| 21:31.08 | kergoth | chouimat: bk pull after you finish the clone |
| 21:31.12 | AndyQ | TheMasterMind1: brilliant |
| 21:31.14 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: tell ljp |
| 21:31.20 | benmeyer | ibot seen ljp |
| 21:31.23 | | ljp is currently on #opie (7h 50m 34s) #zaurus (7h 50m 34s) #openzaurus (7h 50m 34s) |
| 21:31.54 | benmeyer | Todo is wrong too |
| 21:32.01 | TheMasterMind1 | submit bugs |
| 21:32.02 | benmeyer | desktop says Todo List, caption says Todo |
| 21:32.10 | benmeyer | bla, these are too small |
| 21:32.23 | kergoth | itd take you more time to enter it in mantis than it does to fix |
| 21:32.24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=116&s=a731443c87e80581d3934c592c205a8c |
| 21:33.15 | *** join/#openzaurus guised (~guised@S64-216.DATANET.NYU.EDU) |
| 21:33.49 | benmeyer | when is rc2 scheduled? |
| 21:34.16 | TheMasterMind1 | not scheduled yet |
| 21:34.25 | kergoth | benmeyer: I never scheduled it, figured itd depend on the # of bugs in rc1. as is there are 2-3 major bugs that must be fixed before 3.1 final |
| 21:34.35 | benmeyer | ok |
| 21:34.40 | TheMasterMind1 | agupta@hubris:~/zaurus/buildroot$ bk pull |
| 21:34.40 | TheMasterMind1 | protocol error: <> |
| 21:34.45 | kergoth | right now there havent been enough changes since to justify another release |
| 21:34.46 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf? |
| 21:35.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you'll have to re-clone, from what schurig and Onyx4 said |
| 21:35.13 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: I thimk your pcmia driver replacement bumped up the CPS when transferring via SSH |
| 21:35.14 | TheMasterMind1 | why? |
| 21:35.16 | Dessimat0r | used to be 190 |
| 21:35.21 | TheMasterMind1 | what happened? |
| 21:35.23 | Dessimat0r | now it is 300+ |
| 21:35.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i just built this from scratch |
| 21:35.27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no one knows |
| 21:35.29 | lsmith | kergoth: fbvncserver package has incorrect data in the package file |
| 21:35.34 | kergoth | lsmith: eh? |
| 21:35.37 | kolla | is the ppp part for the network prefs ready yet? |
| 21:35.44 | kergoth | lsmith: oh, Replaces and Provides? |
| 21:35.49 | lsmith | yes |
| 21:36.04 | kergoth | lsmith: yeah, i'll fix that |
| 21:36.37 | lsmith | damnit ... next year i will install bk |
| 21:36.38 | kergoth | sandman_: fyi, if you hit the X in embeddedkonsole, ash doesnt save the history, if you type 'exit', it does |
| 21:36.56 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, and if you press ctrl+c the history freaks up |
| 21:37.02 | lsmith | and then i will somehow find time to add my quakeworld timer extension to opie-clock |
| 21:37.17 | TheMasterMind1 | like : ping; *pinging* ctrl+c; no more history.. |
| 21:37.21 | sandman_ | kergoth: yes .. I only made it save the history on "exit" :) |
| 21:37.38 | sandman_ | kergoth: but vodz made some changes afterwads |
| 21:37.41 | kergoth | sandman_: ah. what method does embeddedkonsole use to kill the shell on close? hmm |
| 21:37.46 | sandman_ | should save it everytime now |
| 21:37.51 | kergoth | sandman_: ah, k |
| 21:38.34 | sandman_ | kergoth: I haven't tested vodz' changes, but normally vodz patches are excellent .. |
| 21:39.15 | lsmith | puh this is good .. i was starting to really miss upgrading .. |
| 21:39.18 | cbok | when did zauruszone.com goto the commerically supported zaurus.com |
| 21:39.20 | BZFlagNotCTO | hmm. maybe I'll follow pierre and take up pool for a living. ;-) |
| 21:40.24 | chouimat | BZFlagNotCTO: huh? |
| 21:41.07 | kergoth | BZFlagNotCTO: hehe |
| 21:41.39 | kergoth | cbok: sharp replaced their old crap dev site on more.sbc.co.jp with one running SF |
| 21:41.56 | cbok | *nod* |
| 21:41.58 | cbok | cool |
| 21:42.09 | cbok | i would hope the oz site will become a bit more functional |
| 21:42.13 | cbok | forums or what not? |
| 21:42.15 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:42.17 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:42.19 | *** join/#openzaurus smbj (~smbj@64.30.163.182) |
| 21:42.21 | kergoth | we already have a OZ forum |
| 21:42.21 | BZFlagNotCTO | chouimat: pierre that did the vncserver is now making a living playing billards from what I hear. |
| 21:42.24 | kergoth | its on zaurus.com |
| 21:42.24 | cbok | well, its functional now. :) |
| 21:42.27 | cbok | yeah i know |
| 21:42.36 | cbok | its the whole sharp owning the zaurus.com thing |
| 21:42.45 | cbok | that buggerz me.. |
| 21:42.46 | chouimat | BZFlagNotCTO: ok I won't play against him :) |
| 21:42.55 | cbok | anyhow |
| 21:43.00 | cbok | enough of my bitching |
| 21:43.04 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:43.07 | kergoth | uh oh |
| 21:43.16 | cbok | it obviously doesn't bother you kergoth |
| 21:43.24 | kergoth | my boss wants me to train other employees so he doesnt have to rely on only me doing something |
| 21:43.27 | kergoth | .. |
| 21:43.45 | chouimat | kergoth: huh? |
| 21:44.03 | sandman_ | kergoth: just don't tell them *everything* ;) |
| 21:44.11 | kergoth | sandman_: hehe |
| 21:44.25 | lsmith | tell them half and make the other up |
| 21:44.39 | lsmith | then if he fires you they will screw up and he has to hire you back for twice the pay |
| 21:44.47 | *** join/#openzaurus Onyx4|work (~Onyx4@204.94.209.1) |
| 21:44.58 | kergoth | i so need to get out of tech support |
| 21:45.05 | cbok | fast track for layoff-ville |
| 21:45.28 | kergoth | hah, no |
| 21:45.28 | cbok | no? |
| 21:45.28 | cbok | ;) |
| 21:45.42 | *** part/#openzaurus schurig|home (~schurig@p5080A7C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:45.45 | cbok | maybe they consider you a liability or something that they can't keep around |
| 21:46.10 | AndyQ | . |
| 21:46.13 | Dessimat0r | tell your boss to fuck off ;) hehe |
| 21:46.18 | kergoth | well the thing is |
| 21:46.25 | kergoth | 1) I dont give a shit about digi anymore, so i slack |
| 21:46.43 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: you do Digi-UK? |
| 21:46.49 | kergoth | 2) I made my boss look like he was completely inept at his job in front of the entire dept |
| 21:46.49 | AndyQ | yeah - but do it AFTER you've found a better job |
| 21:46.55 | kergoth | (nevermind that he actually *is* inept at his job) |
| 21:47.17 | Dessimat0r | http://www.digi-uk.co.uk/ |
| 21:47.23 | cbok | 1) never make your boss look bad unless it's infront of his superiors |
| 21:47.24 | AndyQ | lol |
| 21:47.31 | kergoth | cbok: hehe |
| 21:47.37 | cbok | 2) repeat number one |
| 21:47.54 | kergoth | cbok: but ruining his reputation with his employees is *fun*! |
| 21:47.54 | lsmith | 3) be like water my friend |
| 21:48.00 | kergoth | cbok: he was fucking stupid |
| 21:48.02 | kergoth | cbok: first |
| 21:48.03 | Dessimat0r | the infinite loop would kill your mind!1 |
| 21:48.10 | cbok | happens |
| 21:48.10 | cbok | :) |
| 21:48.11 | kergoth | cbok: he tells the dept that we're going to have to start staying at work late and working weekends |
| 21:48.15 | kergoth | cbok: but whats worse |
| 21:48.22 | kergoth | cbok: its doing ANOTHER DEPARTMENT'S JOB! |
| 21:48.28 | kergoth | cbok: and THEN |
| 21:48.32 | kergoth | cbok: he says we should be lucky we have jobs |
| 21:48.32 | lsmith | all the fun of a pda with a 19" screen and a full sized keyboard |
| 21:48.38 | kergoth | cbok: I blew up |
| 21:48.44 | cbok | kergoth - of course the guy is an assmunch |
| 21:48.46 | kergoth | cbok: i dont take well to intimidation |
| 21:48.51 | cbok | kergoth - its obvious.. |
| 21:48.56 | kergoth | cbok: so i explained that he obviously has no idea how to motivate people |
| 21:49.13 | cbok | kergoth - but you gotta be stealthy about how you let him hang himself.. |
| 21:49.27 | cbok | kergoth - the motivation speech probably wasn't the way to go. :) |
| 21:49.34 | kergoth | cbok: it was *fun* though |
| 21:49.37 | cbok | i konw |
| 21:49.38 | cbok | :) |
| 21:49.39 | kergoth | cbok: you have no idea how good that felt |
| 21:49.39 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 21:49.40 | kergoth | man |
| 21:49.42 | cbok | been there, dont taht b4 |
| 21:49.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:49.43 | Dessimat0r | how did he react? |
| 21:49.47 | cbok | er done |
| 21:49.47 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: oh listen to this |
| 21:49.49 | cbok | damn keyboard |
| 21:49.52 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: he said he wouldnt say it again! |
| 21:49.58 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: it was like slapping the hand of a 5 year old |
| 21:50.01 | kergoth | dont do that! |
| 21:50.02 | Dessimat0r | LOL |
| 21:50.02 | kergoth | k.. |
| 21:50.09 | vexation | ipkg upgrade... is the proper upgrade command, correct? |
| 21:50.12 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: and check this |
| 21:50.15 | cbok | ok back 2 work |
| 21:50.21 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: he never said it again, and gave up on the working late thing |
| 21:50.23 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: ;) |
| 21:50.29 | Dessimat0r | cool :D |
| 21:50.43 | kergoth | very, but now i suspect i'll be the first against the wall when the next layoffs come |
| 21:50.45 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: its always good to be in control of a boss ;) |
| 21:50.58 | kergoth | hey mickeyl |
| 21:51.02 | AndyQ | kergoth: you just have to get him ousted first :) |
| 21:51.10 | lsmith | vexation: depends on what you want to do |
| 21:51.23 | kergoth | AndyQ: one problem with that |
| 21:51.24 | mickeyl | hi kergoth |
| 21:51.26 | mickeyl | hi all |
| 21:51.33 | AndyQ | kergoth: yeah? |
| 21:51.34 | kergoth | AndyQ: CEO, my boss's boss, is a bigger asshole and inept manager than mine |
| 21:51.35 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: hypnotism! :D |
| 21:51.38 | kergoth | AndyQ: shit rolls downhill. |
| 21:51.43 | kergoth | AndyQ: he got those ideas from on high |
| 21:51.44 | AndyQ | thats a bugger ! |
| 21:51.46 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:51.58 | vexation | lsmith: i want to get all the new packages that i cant get while in opie |
| 21:52.01 | lsmith | kergoth: overtak |
| 21:52.06 | kergoth | lsmith: hah |
| 21:52.19 | chouimat | kergoth: that why I like to work in small co |
| 21:52.22 | kergoth | lsmith: no thanks, when the boat's a sinking, i dont go down with it, thanks |
| 21:52.31 | lsmith | vexation: ipkg update (to update the avail packages); ipkg upgrade |
| 21:52.34 | kergoth | i say fuck the boat, and fuck you people, i'm gone |
| 21:52.44 | vexation | lsmith: cool i got it... ;-) thx |
| 21:52.49 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: Jump to a new boat, if one comes your way ;) |
| 21:53.07 | lsmith | vexation: what feed do you have configed in your ipkg.conf? |
| 21:53.13 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: true that |
| 21:53.15 | vexation | testing |
| 21:53.24 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: but in these treacherous waters, half the boats are already sinking |
| 21:53.28 | chouimat | kergoth: I can have a job for a big consulting firm, but I had the following choice, be my own boss and have fun working or make a lot of cash but work with a bunch of assholes |
| 21:53.38 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe. not a hard choice |
| 21:53.45 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: sink the boss's boat with a torpedo |
| 21:54.21 | Dessimat0r | this is gettign very abstract now ;) |
| 21:54.29 | Dessimat0r | *getting |
| 21:54.58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:55.03 | chouimat | kergoth: one of my friend, my contact in that co, is currently in an hospital work "mental health problems", and I want to know if he must quit his job ... |
| 21:55.13 | kergoth | chouimat: damn |
| 21:55.18 | benmeyer | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3637903027.html |
| 21:55.41 | kergoth | benmeyer: yep.. |
| 21:56.17 | chouimat | kergoth: his wife don't want him to quit that job, common he's doing 55K$/year + health + etc ... |
| 21:56.18 | benmeyer | I see /. |
| 21:56.19 | Dessimat0r | Hmm.. is this takeover for better or for worse? |
| 21:56.31 | benmeyer | only time will tell |
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| 22:00.20 | Onyx4|work | ok we got our first bug reply on sf.net about pcmcia-cs |
| 22:00.23 | Onyx4|work | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=655258&group_id=2405&atid=102405 |
| 22:00.37 | Onyx4|work | what pcmcia bridge zaurus uses? |
| 22:00.42 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:01.00 | TheMasterMind1 | later guys |
| 22:01.08 | Onyx4|work | take a look, see if you can figure out what he meant |
| 22:01.28 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: on the latest unstable, the Zaurus no longer hangs in the cradle, but the USB supoort now has stopped fuctioning ;) |
| 22:01.35 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: hah |
| 22:01.41 | Dessimat0r | upon resume, of course |
| 22:01.43 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:02.19 | Onyx4|work | I wonder if all those problems are caused by the apm kernel implementation |
| 22:02.40 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: want me to look at any logs, etc? |
| 22:02.56 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: highly doubtful |
| 22:03.24 | Onyx4|work | so he suggest building pcmcia with debug so we can get more out of the i82365 module |
| 22:03.52 | Onyx4|work | he thinks it might be card voltage related? |
| 22:04.13 | Dessimat0r | Onyx4: Could be anything ;) |
| 22:04.15 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: not likely to be voltage, afaik the ide cards are 3.3v.. |
| 22:04.53 | Onyx4|work | is the socket driver part of pcmcia-cs or that's kernel? |
| 22:05.10 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: we're not using any of pcmcia-cs' drivers |
| 22:05.22 | Dessimat0r | Happens on all my FAT16 formatted CF cards |
| 22:05.29 | Dessimat0r | does not affect my EXT2 card |
| 22:05.36 | lsmith | hmm |
| 22:05.41 | Onyx4|work | if you format it vfat, does it show the problem? |
| 22:05.50 | Dessimat0r | lol, I've got stuff on it ;) |
| 22:05.51 | Onyx4|work | I mean fat16 |
| 22:06.02 | Dessimat0r | apps, etc |
| 22:06.04 | guised | what's in terminfo? |
| 22:06.05 | Onyx4|work | can't you just back it up on your computer and put it back? |
| 22:06.07 | Dessimat0r | 64-0 |
| 22:06.18 | Dessimat0r | it wouldn't copy symlinks |
| 22:06.29 | guised | can anyone tell me what ncursues does? |
| 22:06.30 | lsmith | quick question: is sd support broken in unstable? |
| 22:06.39 | Onyx4|work | lsmith: no |
| 22:06.58 | lsmith | hmm k |
| 22:06.59 | Dessimat0r | I might format one of my other cards in ext2, however |
| 22:07.04 | Dessimat0r | to see if it fixes them |
| 22:07.15 | Garf_ | guised: nice looking stuff on terminal windows |
| 22:07.42 | Dessimat0r | the black on transparent dosen't work ;) it would be cool if it did |
| 22:07.59 | Onyx4|work | Dessimat0r: yes good idea |
| 22:08.25 | guised | Garf_: ncurses-term is attempting to link a lot of stuff in there... are there any dependencies i should know about? lol |
| 22:08.56 | Onyx4|work | that's normal |
| 22:09.15 | Onyx4|work | just don't install the extra |
| 22:09.20 | lsmith | hmm it seems to be broken for me |
| 22:09.30 | Dessimat0r | also, when you use the side-scroller in opie-console, there is tons of weird flickering |
| 22:09.34 | guised | Onyx4|work: is it normal for it to fail to link all these things? |
| 22:09.56 | lsmith | hmm lets see what happends if i downgrade to rc1 |
| 22:09.59 | guised | im just trying to get xmms-embedded to work and its leading me around to all these dependencies |
| 22:10.33 | Onyx4|work | so could the pcmcia driver be the sa1100? |
| 22:10.39 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: 'could'? |
| 22:10.50 | Onyx4|work | I mean is it? |
| 22:10.58 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: first, our pcmcia support is compiled into our kernel monolithically |
| 22:11.10 | Onyx4|work | yes that I mentionned |
| 22:11.45 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: and our pcmcia controller is the cpu, the sa1110 |
| 22:12.01 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: buffered through the scoop asic |
| 22:12.17 | Onyx4|work | do you think you can reply with what you know to dave? |
| 22:12.23 | Onyx4|work | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=655258&group_id=2405&atid=102405 |
| 22:12.47 | Onyx4|work | maybe if we help him understand the pcmcia drivers/architecture we're using , maybe he'll know where the problem might be |
| 22:12.52 | Onyx4|work | or at least give us some clues |
| 22:14.57 | kergoth | this should be taking place on openzaurus-devel, not in a BTS |
| 22:14.58 | kergoth | ;) |
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| 22:16.11 | Onyx4|work | depends on someone's view... some people prefer to use bug tracking systems to talk about bugs |
| 22:17.03 | victorvdl | What usb driver does one need to use to get OZ to connect to a win2k box? |
| 22:18.04 | Onyx4|work | the one that sharp provides I guess |
| 22:18.28 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: yes, but the system itself isnt well disposed to live/semi-live discussion |
| 22:18.35 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: its for quite notes re the bug |
| 22:19.05 | victorvdl | K, 'cause I've tried that and it doesn't seem to work with OZ. It works with my Z w/Sharp ROM, but not otherwise. |
| 22:19.09 | lsmith | puh ... after upgrading to unstable i cant access my sd anymore .. and i also cant access my router anymore ... |
| 22:19.18 | lsmith | hmm i will reboot my windows box real quick |
| 22:19.35 | lsmith | see if that is the cause why routing to my router is not working anymore |
| 22:19.39 | kergoth | victorvdl: its confirmed to work flawlessly.. |
| 22:19.44 | kergoth | victorvdl: you -did- read teh faq on syncing right? |
| 22:20.46 | victorvdl | kergoth: Oh. Ok, which driver is that then? |
| 22:21.01 | kergoth | victorvdl: 'driver'? |
| 22:21.10 | kergoth | victorvdl: you use the latest available from sharp |
| 22:22.49 | victorvdl | And who is the %#)(*@ ;-) that said it works flawlessly? j/k... |
| 22:22.49 | victorvdl | I've tried the one from Sharp's more.sbc.co.jp/slj sight. Is their a later one somewhere? |
| 22:22.51 | vexation | i did an ipkg upgrade and its been sitting on replacing openobex-apps for about 15 min |
| 22:22.52 | vexation | =\ |
| 22:23.02 | kergoth | vexation: let it go |
| 22:23.07 | kergoth | victorvdl: try the one on zaurus.com |
| 22:23.20 | vexation | kergoth: ok, but why does it do that? |
| 22:24.02 | kergoth | vexation: jffs2 |
| 22:24.08 | kergoth | vexation: will be fixed when we move to a recent kernel |
| 22:24.26 | vexation | oh, alright then.. i let it sit here when i go out heh |
| 22:24.28 | vexation | thx |
| 22:24.33 | kergoth | vexation: np |
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| 22:26.25 | ljp_work | holy moley... |
| 22:26.31 | lsmith | ok .. routing thing seemed to be my windows laptops fault .. |
| 22:26.32 | Onyx4|work | kergoth: if you want to move the discussion to openzaurus-devel, I can reply to dave by email (since he wrote to me that he's like to use sf.net) and just cc the mailing list ? |
| 22:26.41 | AndyQ | lo ljp_work |
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| 22:26.55 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: yes, do it. we need to start using that damn ML anyway |
| 22:26.56 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: ;) |
| 22:27.08 | ljp_work | ya! |
| 22:27.09 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 22:27.15 | ljp_work | whatever he said! |
| 22:27.22 | ljp_work | make it so. |
| 22:27.42 | ljp_work | busy day here |
| 22:27.49 | ljp_work | blah |
| 22:28.08 | kergoth | blah is right. |
| 22:28.11 | kergoth | its busy as hell here too |
| 22:28.14 | AndyQ | OK, AQPkg now has the ability to abort when doing stuff |
| 22:28.23 | kergoth | AndyQ: spiffy. and it cleans up after itself? |
| 22:28.33 | AndyQ | kergoth: well - sort of :) |
| 22:28.39 | kergoth | AndyQ: hehe |
| 22:28.41 | kergoth | AndyQ: had to ask ;) |
| 22:28.42 | AndyQ | kergoth: it kills IPKG |
| 22:28.56 | kergoth | i hope not with SIGKILL .. |
| 22:28.58 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: lol |
| 22:28.58 | kergoth | ;) |
| 22:29.00 | ljp_work | does aqpkg drop the warp core yet? |
| 22:29.08 | AndyQ | kergoth: any better way to do it? |
| 22:29.20 | AndyQ | kergoth: well - it uses the OProcess kill method |
| 22:29.44 | kergoth | AndyQ: hm, wonder how 'nice' that method is |
| 22:29.44 | ljp_work | in the windows world, the best way to kill a process is to reboot it seems |
| 22:29.50 | kergoth | AndyQ: hopefully ipkg can clean up |
| 22:29.54 | AndyQ | kergoth: only way I could think of doing it |
| 22:30.09 | ljp_work | kergoth: oprocess is kprocess |
| 22:30.22 | Dessimat0r | ljp: or use the task manager ;) |
| 22:30.29 | ljp_work | heh |
| 22:30.33 | AndyQ | kergoth: I'm fairly certain IPKG does clean up - the only issue may be if a few files have been copied over |
| 22:30.52 | ljp_work | ya wuin2k has a nice task manager |
| 22:30.57 | AndyQ | kergoth: but really the abort button is for those times when you hit start and think 'OH SHIT! Dindn't want to do that!" |
| 22:31.10 | kergoth | AndyQ: hehe |
| 22:31.14 | Dessimat0r | or ipkg hangs during install ;) |
| 22:31.15 | lsmith | kergoth: ok it seems that sdmmc in unstable is b0rked for me |
| 22:31.20 | ljp_work | like when you bitch out your girlfriend? |
| 22:31.21 | kergoth | lsmith: it hasnt changed. |
| 22:31.26 | Dessimat0r | aqpkg |
| 22:31.26 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: ipkg rarely hangs during install :) |
| 22:31.27 | Dessimat0r | dunno |
| 22:31.27 | ljp_work | it will abort that? |
| 22:31.28 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:31.28 | lsmith | things seem to be ok after downgrading to rc1 |
| 22:31.29 | kergoth | lsmith: err.. |
| 22:31.34 | kergoth | lsmith: yes it has, nevermind |
| 22:31.37 | kergoth | lsmith: ill play with it |
| 22:31.43 | lsmith | k |
| 22:31.54 | ljp_work | my legs hurt |
| 22:32.03 | AndyQ | ljp_work: I'm working on it - the problem is testing it is a REAL BITCH coz I have to keep saying things that I wish I hadn't said and then it goes downhill from there :) |
| 22:32.06 | Dessimat0r | mine do sometimes |
| 22:32.09 | Dessimat0r | when tired |
| 22:32.34 | lsmith | my mmc card is a 128mb "dual" (which is el cheapo) |
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| 22:32.40 | noda | Moo! |
| 22:32.50 | lsmith | should i post to the ml to get some more feedback on this issue? |
| 22:32.55 | chouimat | noda: hear the big scandal in Quebec? |
| 22:33.09 | AndyQ | anyway - thats my work done for tonight - must go and spend time with my wife or it will be worse that saying something I wish I hahdn't :) |
| 22:33.10 | noda | chouimat: No, what's up? |
| 22:33.15 | AndyQ | later |
| 22:33.24 | ljp_work | scandal in Quebec - someone spoke english |
| 22:33.26 | Onyx4|work | Dessimat0r: tried ext2 on one of your vfat cards? |
| 22:33.27 | noda | ! |
| 22:33.37 | noda | L'Office de la Langue Francaise must be furious! |
| 22:33.42 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 22:33.50 | Dessimat0r | Onyx4: not yet, busy coding my college project |
| 22:33.58 | Dessimat0r | might do it tomorrow morning |
| 22:34.14 | chouimat | noda: a magazine targeting teenagers and young women, just release a little book of 100 sex tips on how to make your boyfriend very happy and they don't stop talking about it on the french news |
| 22:34.23 | noda | Hehehe |
| 22:34.27 | noda | Only in Quebec :) |
| 22:34.49 | chouimat | noda: office is in french too |
| 22:35.02 | noda | chouimat: Yeah, I know... :P |
| 22:35.03 | Dessimat0r | Isn't Quebec a place in Civilisation 3? |
| 22:35.31 | noda | Dessimat0r: Erm. You name all your cities yourself in Civilization :P |
| 22:35.36 | Dessimat0r | lmao |
| 22:36.13 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 22:36.21 | ljp_work | noda: go see a doctor |
| 22:36.38 | chouimat | noda: tips 15: All guys know that you would never accept a threesomes with your best friend but in bed tell him wath you would do to the other girl if that happened |
| 22:36.38 | noda | ljp_work: Why? :) |
| 22:36.58 | noda | chouimat: Ooh, you bought this book? :) |
| 22:37.28 | lsmith | kergoth: kpacman still does not work (schemes error) |
| 22:37.30 | chouimat | noda: no, they showed some part of it today |
| 22:37.32 | ljp_work | [15:48:53] noda has had Adamvilles and Hoopertons when he was playing :) |
| 22:37.33 | Dessimat0r | My cities : Capitol City, Tokyo-1, 2 and 3, Geofront, Central Dogma, Terminal Dogma, Desstown, Desscity, Hyperville |
| 22:37.37 | ljp_work | sounds like a disease |
| 22:37.58 | noda | ljp_work: No, they're thriving metropolises :) |
| 22:38.05 | noda | Ah :) |
| 22:38.06 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 22:38.11 | sandman_ | kergoth: someone needs to extend $OPIEDIR/share/opie-login/{pre,post}-script for OZ |
| 22:38.28 | sandman_ | multi user logins work perfectly on the iPAQ now |
| 22:38.38 | Dessimat0r | why does it take so long for the opie team to get pacman working? ;) |
| 22:39.14 | sandman_ | Dessimat0r: because nobody want to touch that crappy code ? |
| 22:39.19 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:39.25 | noda | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/28599.html |
| 22:39.28 | kergoth | sandman_: what needs to be in them? just device permissions? |
| 22:39.41 | kergoth | sandman_: i'd rather fix the permissions in the device tarball directly than hacking around them in the scripts |
| 22:39.49 | sandman_ | kergoth: yup .. look at the iPAQ section in the file and you see what needs to be done |
| 22:39.59 | sandman_ | kergoth: no ! don't do it |
| 22:40.04 | kergoth | sandman_: eh? |
| 22:40.08 | kergoth | sandman_: i'm not making them globally writable |
| 22:40.12 | sandman_ | I talked with pb_ about this |
| 22:40.29 | Garf_ | ~ |
| 22:40.34 | sandman_ | It's a security problem if everything is world write/readable |
| 22:40.40 | kergoth | sandman_: it isnt. |
| 22:40.47 | kergoth | sandman_: I ahve groups for everything |
| 22:41.03 | sandman_ | login as another user via ssh and do a cat </dev/dsp |
| 22:41.12 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:41.27 | sandman_ | You can hear everything the current user is talking |
| 22:41.37 | sandman_ | both are in group "users" |
| 22:41.42 | kergoth | sandman_: no |
| 22:42.08 | kergoth | sandman_: users doesnt have access to dsp |
| 22:42.11 | kergoth | sandman_: 'sound' group does |
| 22:42.39 | kergoth | sandman_: but it sounds like the OSS implementation needs to lock access to a single user or something |
| 22:42.40 | sandman_ | Yeah .. and both users are in sound group, because both should be able to use vmemo ... |
| 22:42.57 | sandman_ | same for fb, vc, ... |
| 22:43.04 | kergoth | sandman_: then thats a problem in the sound driver implementation that it allows simultanious access |
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| 22:43.18 | sandman_ | why .. the sound driver isn't opened all the time |
| 22:43.23 | kergoth | eh? |
| 22:43.33 | kergoth | sandman_: sound driver can make it so only a single user can have it open at a time |
| 22:43.41 | sandman_ | only when vmemo is started |
| 22:43.54 | sandman_ | which isn't by default |
| 22:44.00 | Quadgie | sounds like you need a sound server or something like esound. |
| 22:44.01 | kergoth | sandman_: altering device perms in a script is hackish at best. |
| 22:44.11 | kergoth | sandman_: and a security risk at worst. |
| 22:44.14 | Quadgie | that'd grab control of the sound device for the person logged in locally. |
| 22:44.17 | sandman_ | why ? |
| 22:44.27 | sandman_ | Quadgie: after Opie 1.0 |
| 22:44.52 | sandman_ | kergoth: why is this a security risk ? |
| 22:45.13 | kergoth | sandman_: OSS driver should have a module load option to allow blocking mic input to a single user at a time. |
| 22:45.23 | kergoth | sandman_: the problems you describe are due to driver limitations |
| 22:45.40 | sandman_ | kergoth: yes that's true .. but which application opens the dsp for "recording" ??? |
| 22:45.42 | Quadgie | the problems he describes are true on any linux platform... and are usually solved with sound servers. |
| 22:45.47 | kergoth | sandman_: ? |
| 22:45.59 | kergoth | sandman_: which app doesnt matter. block by user, not # of open()s |
| 22:46.24 | sandman_ | kergoth: how would you do that, if no app is actually using the dsp ?? |
| 22:46.32 | kergoth | sandman_: vmemo is using the dsp.. |
| 22:46.36 | sandman_ | execpt by /dev permissions |
| 22:46.45 | kergoth | sandman_: after it opens the port, no other user can have an open() syscall succeed |
| 22:46.56 | sandman_ | hello !? vmemo is not running/installed by default |
| 22:46.56 | kergoth | sandman_: this type of thing is documented even in linux device drivers.. |
| 22:46.59 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:47.02 | kergoth | you said that already |
| 22:47.10 | kergoth | irrelevent |
| 22:47.11 | sandman_ | how can it block the dsp then ? |
| 22:47.16 | kergoth | WHEN they install it |
| 22:47.18 | kergoth | and it opens the dsp |
| 22:47.25 | sandman_ | and otherwise ? |
| 22:47.39 | Onyx4|work | kergoth: ok I've posted to the openzaurus-devel mailing list, please go ahead and reply-all (to dave) with what you know about the pcmcia/cf on Zaurus architecture |
| 22:47.43 | Dessimat0r | how are SSH keys generated? |
| 22:47.47 | kergoth | dont add users that arent using the pda actively to the sound group :) |
| 22:48.02 | sandman_ | kergoth: that's no real solution |
| 22:48.02 | kergoth | or create a seperate group for mic access, and use that |
| 22:48.07 | Quadgie | *cough*. OZ should really adopt a sound server method of sound access at some point in the future. *cough* |
| 22:48.09 | kergoth | sandman_: neither is chmod in a shell script. |
| 22:48.28 | sandman_ | kergoth: you may want to talk to pb_ about that .. they are using the exact some thing for X |
| 22:48.35 | sandman_ | s/some/same |
| 22:48.48 | Quadgie | ... of course, making sure it's not a memory hog. I dunno about esound and similar program's memory requirements. |
| 22:48.56 | kergoth | sandman_: i'd say handle it the same way tty access is handled |
| 22:49.04 | sandman_ | I think it's the most secure solution |
| 22:49.04 | kergoth | sandman_: app should set perms when it opens the port |
| 22:49.10 | kergoth | sandman_: rather than in a script prior to execution |
| 22:49.38 | sandman_ | kergoth: The app needs to know if it runs with devfs or without then |
| 22:49.51 | kergoth | sandman_: it has to know anyway, to be able to open the port. |
| 22:50.02 | sandman_ | /dev/fb0 exists on familiar, but it's a symlink |
| 22:50.22 | kergoth | sandman_: why does the app have to know that its devfs? |
| 22:50.22 | sandman_ | you would have to readlink your way to the real dev |
| 22:51.09 | kergoth | sandman_: chown/chmod syscalls follow symlinks. |
| 22:51.14 | kergoth | sandman_: i dont see the problem |
| 22:51.59 | sandman_ | So you would patch that into qt/e ?? |
| 22:52.24 | sandman_ | (qt/e opens fb / vc / ts) |
| 22:52.39 | kergoth | sandman_: well dsp for example, as you pointed out, isnt open()'d in qt/e. but i would do so for fb/vc/ts, yes |
| 22:52.57 | sandman_ | kergoth: maybe some doesn't want it that way .. |
| 22:53.11 | sandman_ | with the script approach, he would just have to change the script |
| 22:53.27 | kergoth | sandman_: and who has the rights to edit the script? |
| 22:53.33 | sandman_ | root |
| 22:53.49 | sandman_ | easier than recompiling qt/e |
| 22:54.52 | kergoth | alright well i'll make the solution twofold until i find a better one |
| 22:54.58 | sandman_ | kergoth: If you want to do it your way on OZ - no problem, opie-login will work fine either way |
| 22:55.00 | kergoth | i dont like the script approach but i cant think of a beter one |
| 22:55.22 | sandman_ | the scripts have a check for /proc/hal/model |
| 22:55.33 | sandman_ | so they shouldn't do anything on OZ |
| 22:55.43 | kergoth | so 1) i'll adjust the device perms so there is an extensive set of groups to facilitate access, and limit access to them, and add default user to those groups. 2) will use script approach to limit group access for now |
| 22:55.56 | mickeyl | hmm... what was the command to enable sysloggin? syslogd -L ? |
| 22:56.01 | kergoth | mickeyl: -C |
| 22:56.27 | sandman_ | BTW: why dont' you start ssylogs/klogd by default on OZ ? |
| 22:56.28 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah - thanks. I wonder why this isn't listed in the busybox doc? |
| 22:56.51 | sandman_ | mickeyl: docs will be updated before 0.61 is released |
| 22:57.08 | mickeyl | sandman_: fine |
| 22:57.37 | kergoth | sandman_: OZ's target is the end user, most of which will never need it, and its use of resources is unnecessary as a result |
| 22:58.02 | mickeyl | is something like tail -f possible with logread? |
| 22:58.07 | kergoth | sandman_: /me shrugs, whether its started or not doenst really matter much to me |
| 22:58.23 | sandman_ | kergoth: just wondered why logread doesn't work ;) |
| 22:58.29 | kergoth | sandman_: heh :) |
| 22:58.38 | kergoth | sandman_: you commit the ipaq scripts into cvs yet? |
| 22:58.47 | sandman_ | yes |
| 22:59.36 | mickeyl | sandman_: could logread be enhanced to support online reading the buffer - kindof like tail -f ? |
| 22:59.52 | Dessimat0r | http://myweb.cableone.net/tpeden/PBPPCSS1.htm < It still amazes me how crap Pocket PC looks ;) |
| 23:00.34 | sandman_ | mickeyl: yes .. this is on my todolist, but I didn't have time so far .. |
| 23:01.53 | sandman_ | kergoth: BTW: I have a new patch for bb, that enables you to boot with init=/bin/sh (and not init=/bin/busybox sh) .. I just want erik to take a look at it first |
| 23:02.11 | MSpin | is anyone else having problems with busybox compiling? (it's mconf utility is having issues with bool) |
| 23:02.13 | MSpin | ? |
| 23:02.16 | kergoth | sandman_: great. it fallback to /bin/sh when argv[0] is init but init isnt compiled in? |
| 23:02.33 | sandman_ | MSpin: you have an old ncurses package |
| 23:02.41 | sandman_ | kergoth: yes |
| 23:02.45 | kergoth | sandman_: cool |
| 23:02.55 | sandman_ | MSpin: see the bb mailing list |
| 23:03.01 | MSpin | sandman_: hrm, thanks |
| 23:04.18 | MSpin | geesh |
| 23:04.33 | Dessimat0r | heh, the Opie menu is missing a 'reboot' option ;) |
| 23:05.09 | sandman_ | Dessimat0r: I wouldn't put such a destructive (and rarely used) thing in the O-Menu ... |
| 23:05.18 | Dessimat0r | ah, okay |
| 23:07.08 | MSpin | nothing lie having to install an unstable ncurses package to get something to compile |
| 23:09.05 | Dessimat0r | on opie-clock, it dosen't cleanly switch from clock to stop watch, this is just the order that things are shown/hidden in - when changing to stopwatch, the stopwatch stuff will appear over the clock stuff, then the clock stuff will disappear. Its nothing much, trivial really ;) |
| 23:10.03 | Onyx4|work | kergoth: you sad my email on oz-devel? |
| 23:10.10 | Onyx4|work | s/sad/saw |
| 23:11.23 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: yep |
| 23:11.28 | Onyx4|work | ok |
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| 23:15.48 | Dessimat0r | LOL > http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/div_bilder/38.html |
| 23:17.52 | chouimat | kergoth: how to get other i18n from buildroot |
| 23:18.14 | kergoth | chouimat: you have to have qt3-tools installed in desktop atm, it doesnt build you a lrelease binary |
| 23:18.48 | kergoth | chouimat: then find build/opie -name \*.pro|(for i in `cat`; do dir=`dirname $i`; fn=`basename $i`; ( cd $dir; lrelease $i; ); done;) |
| 23:21.08 | chouimat | kergoth: that would make the .ipk? |
| 23:21.59 | kergoth | chouimat: when you make opie's ipks, yes |
| 23:22.15 | kergoth | chouimat: that just creates the files that are needed to build the ipks, which is why they normally fail in mkipks |
| 23:25.22 | chouimat | grrr |
| 23:25.37 | chouimat | runningappbar.cpp:131: no matching function for call to `QPEApplication::keyboardGrabbedBy ()' |
| 23:28.45 | kergoth | cbok: working. i dont go home for another half an hour |
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| 23:31.00 | Dessimat0r | it is only 5:37pm for cbok ;) |
| 23:31.30 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:31.35 | Dessimat0r | same as you, kergoth |
| 23:31.36 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:34.15 | cbok | kergoth - jeebuz.. |
| 23:34.28 | cbok | no dessimat0r |
| 23:34.32 | lsmith | night |
| 23:34.36 | cbok | its 3:40 for cbok |
| 23:34.39 | cbok | cbok is on the west coast |
| 23:34.57 | cbok | cbok's machines are on central time colo'd in a state in the central region |
| 23:35.03 | cbok | in fact |
| 23:35.08 | MSpin | sandman_: ping |
| 23:35.16 | cbok | cbok's machines are about 25 minutes from kergoth's current location |
| 23:35.50 | sandman_ | MSpin: pong |
| 23:36.23 | MSpin | sandman_: the changes you made to the opie init scripts broke one of the OZ opie patches. should I fix it? |
| 23:36.48 | sandman_ | MSpin: fix what .. the script or the patch ? |
| 23:37.01 | MSpin | the patch |
| 23:37.08 | sandman_ | What does the patch btw ? |
| 23:37.39 | sandman_ | chouimat: you need to recompile libqpe |
| 23:38.19 | chouimat | sandman_: opie? |
| 23:38.26 | MSpin | it's on root/etc/init.d/opie It jsut sources /etc/profile instead of settign env vars and some ssh agent changes |
| 23:38.56 | sandman_ | chouimat: for the runningsappsbar problem you have to recompile libqpe (I added a function to QPEApplication) |
| 23:39.45 | sandman_ | MSpin: could you mail the patch to sandman@handhelds.org please |
| 23:39.55 | sandman_ | I'll try to get rid of it |
| 23:40.16 | kergoth | sandman_: one piece we cant get rid of |
| 23:40.25 | sandman_ | kergoth: why not ? |
| 23:40.28 | kergoth | sandman_: its a horrible hack thats going away soon |
| 23:40.36 | kergoth | sandman_: /etc/init.d/opie never exits :) |
| 23:40.49 | MSpin | hehe |
| 23:40.59 | sandman_ | kergoth: ?? |
| 23:40.59 | kergoth | sandman_: which results in them seeing a console login on exiting opie, as the getty isnt spawned, as the boot process is held up |
| 23:41.15 | kergoth | sandman_: user expected to be able to drop to console after exiting opie |
| 23:41.32 | sandman_ | so you are starting qpe with "&" |
| 23:41.36 | kergoth | sandman_: I already have a proper solution lined up.. and i'll likely be using this on my desktop as well |
| 23:41.39 | kergoth | sandman_: no |
| 23:41.43 | kergoth | sandman_: not backgrounded. |
| 23:42.14 | MSpin | all of this because we don't have getty? |
| 23:42.20 | kergoth | sandman_: the whole means by which OZ spawns its gui is about to be reworked |
| 23:42.22 | kergoth | MSpin: eh? no |
| 23:42.34 | kergoth | MSpin: i dont remember why we do it like this |
| 23:42.36 | kergoth | MSpin: let me think |
| 23:42.41 | kergoth | MSpin: oh thats right |
| 23:42.42 | sandman_ | kergoth: the dault opie script starts qpe with "&" -- so it should exit |
| 23:42.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:42.49 | kergoth | sandman_: i know. and ours doesnt. |
| 23:42.57 | kergoth | sandman_, MSpin: here, let me describe how this came about |
| 23:43.04 | kergoth | first, our /dev/console was a symlink to tty1 |
| 23:43.14 | MSpin | OMG, dance remixes of xmas songs, gack! |
| 23:43.32 | kergoth | second, spawning opie on tty1 resulted in messages overwriting opie, from say.. cardmgr for example |
| 23:43.38 | kergoth | as a result, we threw opie over on tty2 |
| 23:43.43 | MSpin | ahh |
| 23:43.45 | kergoth | but we had to prevent getty from hopping onto tty1 |
| 23:44.11 | kergoth | the default vt is 1 of course.. so we had to ensure that exiting opie returned you to tty1 |
| 23:44.11 | sandman_ | kergoth: so would need a chvt 1 on exit, right ? |
| 23:44.23 | kergoth | right |
| 23:44.32 | kergoth | for some reason backgrounding a subshell which did so didnt work, i dont remember the details |
| 23:44.40 | kergoth | so we said screw it, we wont even spawn getty until opie dies |
| 23:45.08 | kergoth | I've got a general, flexible, gui spawning solution in the works |
| 23:45.13 | sandman_ | hmm .. opie-login could allocate a vt for Opie |
| 23:45.32 | kergoth | sandman_: opie doesnt play well with others atm |
| 23:45.39 | kergoth | sandman_: i.e. w/ regard to vt switching |
| 23:45.58 | sandman_ | I know .. but allocating a new vt and running on that should work |
| 23:46.09 | sandman_ | (and switching back on exit) |
| 23:46.14 | kergoth | sandman_: yeah. i tried to use busybox openvt, but its crap |
| 23:46.23 | sandman_ | kergoth: It was broken |
| 23:46.27 | kergoth | sandman_: busybox' vt tools are accessing /dev/console when they shoudl be accessing /dev/tty |
| 23:46.28 | sandman_ | should work now |
| 23:46.30 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:46.32 | kergoth | sandman_: is that fixed? |
| 23:46.47 | sandman_ | someone said it was fixed .. haven't tested it |
| 23:46.47 | kergoth | sandman_: also, openvt syntax is completely different from console-tools openvt |
| 23:46.54 | kergoth | sandman_: cant have a script that handles both easily |
| 23:47.16 | kergoth | sandman_: this whole situation has been up in the air for a while now, never had time to deal with it |
| 23:47.37 | kergoth | sandman_: anyway, if i spawn opie on vt1, and getty still does.. stomp |
| 23:47.39 | kergoth | sandman_: hehe |
| 23:47.52 | kergoth | sandman_: so have to use vts to get the 'when i exit opie i get a console login' behavior |
| 23:48.06 | sandman_ | but there's a problem with opie-login switching to a vt .. if gets killed by SIGKILL you are stuck on this vt .. |
| 23:48.16 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 23:48.33 | __Ibz | ehlo |
| 23:48.45 | kergoth | sandman_: yep |
| 23:48.59 | chouimat | who screwed the opie build? |
| 23:49.01 | kergoth | sandman_: so hope people kill us with SIGTERM :) |
| 23:49.22 | kergoth | sandman_: actually i have a better opie spawning solution that gives us all this and more, in fact i want to implement it on my desktop too |
| 23:49.25 | sandman_ | chouimat: what's wrong with opie ? |
| 23:49.36 | chouimat | n_to_out: out is /work/source/os/zaurus/openzaurus/build/opie |
| 23:49.36 | chouimat | patching file mkipks |
| 23:49.36 | chouimat | patching file qt/qt-embedded-rotation.control |
| 23:49.36 | chouimat | patching file qt/qt-embedded.control |
| 23:49.36 | chouimat | SourceTreeModule->go: outfile is /work/source/os/zaurus/openzaurus/build/opie |
| 23:49.36 | chouimat | SourceTreeModule->go: output is /work/source/os/zaurus/openzaurus/build/opie |
| 23:49.40 | chouimat | make[2]: *** [/work/source/os/zaurus/openzaurus/stamps/.opie.sourcetree] Error 1 |
| 23:49.42 | chouimat | make[2]: Leaving directory `/work/source/os/zaurus/openzaurus/packages/opie' |
| 23:49.44 | chouimat | make[1]: *** [packages/opie] Error 2 |
| 23:49.46 | chouimat | make[1]: Leaving directory `/work/source/os/zaurus/openzaurus' |
| 23:49.48 | chouimat | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 23:49.48 | kergoth | chouimat: init script changed |
| 23:49.51 | kergoth | chouimat: b0rked our patch |
| 23:50.11 | kergoth | we need to push more of our shit into opie cvs anyway |
| 23:50.18 | __Ibz | kergoth: OpenZicarus |
| 23:50.25 | __Ibz | heh |
| 23:50.32 | chouimat | bbl |
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| 23:52.30 | kergoth | sandman_: its a very simple solution that ought to meet all the needs |
| 23:52.39 | kergoth | sandman_: without adding too much complexity or points of failure |
| 23:53.25 | kergoth | sandman_: just no time to implement |
| 23:53.37 | sandman_ | kergoth: old problem :) |
| 23:53.43 | kergoth | sandman_: you know, running a distro ended up being a lot more work than i figured it'd be when i started |
| 23:53.47 | kergoth | sandman_: hehe |
| 23:54.06 | MSpin | kergoth has done a fabulous job tho:) |
| 23:54.10 | sandman_ | kergoth: you really thought it wouldn't be a lot of work .. I'd call that optimistic |
| 23:55.28 | kergoth | sandman_: well, i shouldnt say i expected it to not be a lot of work, but it takes more time than i expected it to. I find I'm mediocre at doing a lot of things, but i never have time to get any good at anything |
| 23:55.34 | kergoth | sandman_: and this sucks up all my time |
| 23:57.04 | sandman_ | hmm .. Opie is no better .. it also sucks up to much time for me |
| 23:57.59 | sandman_ | but I don't know who would do all the stuff I'm doing otherwise |
| 23:59.21 | MSpin | kergoth: want me to push that opie patch? |