| 00:02.42 | ibz | what's going on with the name contest? opinions on OpenZicarus? Was watching "die another day"... |
| 00:05.25 | Draggy | is there a proper faq/roubleshooting on getting it connecting/synchign to windows yet?, as I'll be likely attepting to retry tomorrow :) |
| 00:05.32 | Draggy | when I get my mmc card |
| 00:05.56 | sandman_ | ibot is picky these days ;) |
| 00:05.57 | | i don't know, sandman_ |
| 00:06.11 | Draggy | couldtn for life of me get it to connect to pc when I tried oz 3.1rc yesterday through :/ |
| 00:06.37 | kergoth | sandman_: the thing is about openzaurus, its not very satisfying |
| 00:06.54 | kergoth | sandman_: cause I'm not really learning much. just grunge work. fix here, packaging fix there, etc |
| 00:07.14 | sandman_ | kergoth: let tmm1 do the work then :) |
| 00:08.15 | ibz | kergoth: what /do/ you want to do? |
| 00:08.38 | ibz | kergoth: and what happens if you get hit by a bus? Heaven forbid.. |
| 00:08.38 | kergoth | sandman_: hah |
| 00:08.55 | kergoth | ibz: if i get hit by a bus, who knows |
| 00:09.05 | kergoth | ibz: what do i want to do.. i'm leaning towards kernel dev |
| 00:09.12 | kergoth | ibz: i've really enjoyed learning about it |
| 00:09.22 | ibz | kergoth: but can't you do that with oz in mind? |
| 00:09.27 | sandman_ | someone would have to repair the bus then .. :D |
| 00:09.33 | ibz | sandman_: hehe |
| 00:09.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:10.03 | kergoth | ibz: i have been, but i still have to spend a lot of time on oz maintainance, packaging, build issues, wiating for compiles |
| 00:10.07 | kergoth | ibz: hard to find time |
| 00:10.28 | ibz | kergoth: you need dedicated resource pool. |
| 00:10.36 | ibz | package maintainers |
| 00:10.38 | kergoth | i need a 48 hour day |
| 00:10.39 | kergoth | ;) |
| 00:10.42 | ibz | hehe |
| 00:10.49 | kergoth | package maintainers.. its improving |
| 00:10.50 | badl | just sleep every 2nd day then! |
| 00:10.54 | kergoth | some of the packages i never touch now |
| 00:10.56 | ibz | but even with a 48 hr day - you can't do it all on your own |
| 00:11.32 | kergoth | i.e. php, nanoweb, python, py*, mplayer, xmms, etc i never touch |
| 00:11.37 | kergoth | which saves a great deal of time |
| 00:11.37 | sandman_ | kergoth: The CRL guys are very helpful for familiar here .. jamey gets paid to work on the distro |
| 00:11.59 | kergoth | but for some reason i always end up spending time doing the problem replication, setup, and fix myself in a lot of cases |
| 00:12.15 | kergoth | i think people arent confident in their ability to nail down and fix oz problems on their own, even if they maintain the damn packages |
| 00:12.39 | sandman_ | kergoth: You need to hire at Sharp Research Labs ;) |
| 00:12.45 | kergoth | sandman_: hehe |
| 00:13.04 | kergoth | i figure i'll keep this up, work on kernel stuff, ensure OZ runs on a number of hardware platforms |
| 00:13.19 | kergoth | work with wookey and th eother debian devs to unify the debian-based-distro-on-a-pda situation |
| 00:13.38 | kergoth | and hopefully 1) edge myself into a job doing this, 2) learn enough kernel dev to get a job doing that, or 3) go back to school. |
| 00:14.54 | ibz | so is it not a matter of personal development? |
| 00:15.09 | ibz | if that is the case, then uni/school would be a good option |
| 00:15.22 | kergoth | it is, but at the same time its about getting $$ |
| 00:15.27 | kergoth | and getting OUT of tech support |
| 00:15.35 | kergoth | before i go postal |
| 00:15.44 | Cloudchaser | kergoth couldn't you get a scholarship based on your oz work? |
| 00:15.55 | kergoth | doubtful. possible, but doubtful |
| 00:16.17 | kergoth | I'm sure i couldve gotten a fair number of scholarships a couple years back, but who knows now |
| 00:16.29 | kergoth | i did well on the ACT, but shitty on the SAT, i'd have to retake the SAT, definately. |
| 00:16.47 | Cloudchaser | the other thing is.. to find where you want to go to school.. write up a kick ass resume and get paid for working at the university while you attend |
| 00:17.04 | kergoth | that would be nice |
| 00:17.25 | ibz | research can pay ok.. |
| 00:17.36 | ibz | well it did for me here in the uk anyway.. |
| 00:19.02 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: maybe go see an advisor at a university..they might have some solutions for you |
| 00:19.17 | Cloudchaser | and they know of grants/scholarships |
| 00:20.45 | kergoth | jeeze, i couldnt imagine going to school, working full time, -and- managing OZ, -and- trying to learn kernel dev |
| 00:20.48 | kergoth | I'd go berserk |
| 00:21.01 | Cloudchaser | yes this is true |
| 00:21.19 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: any luck on the job front? |
| 00:21.22 | Cloudchaser | no |
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| 00:21.38 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: sorry to hear that |
| 00:21.40 | Cloudchaser | no one wants me :( |
| 00:21.49 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: at this rate i'll be joining the ranks of the unemployed as well soon |
| 00:22.07 | Cloudchaser | getting bad at digi? |
| 00:22.22 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yep. today my boss told me to start training people on all the stuff only I know ;) |
| 00:22.31 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: 'so he doesnt have to rely on just me' |
| 00:22.35 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: </adapted quote> |
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| 00:22.41 | MSpin | ack |
| 00:22.44 | MSpin | that's no good |
| 00:22.53 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 00:23.03 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: the undertone was, i cant rely on you because you're incapable, so i need other people to rely on |
| 00:23.20 | jmhodges | ls |
| 00:23.22 | jmhodges | whoops |
| 00:23.28 | Cloudchaser | umm if you're uncapable, then why are you training them? |
| 00:23.49 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: hehe. dont ask me.. just going by the undertone. I tend to not fix things as fast as he wants them fixed |
| 00:24.12 | kergoth | "Well you see Bob, its not that I'm lazy. Its just that I dont care." |
| 00:24.19 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 00:24.34 | kergoth | its totally office space up in this place |
| 00:24.45 | Cloudchaser | i know the feeling but the job market is so bad right now |
| 00:24.49 | kergoth | yeah, it is |
| 00:24.55 | Cloudchaser | layoffs right and left here |
| 00:25.09 | kergoth | I dont know about you, but I dont have a degree. which means I'm competing against the rest of the unemployed who do |
| 00:25.12 | ibz | that's why it's the right time to learn... |
| 00:25.16 | kergoth | I wont stand much of a chance in the market |
| 00:25.18 | Cloudchaser | i don't have a degree either |
| 00:25.24 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: sucks, eh? |
| 00:25.28 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 00:25.28 | ibz | kergoth: you do. you have experience |
| 00:25.40 | kergoth | back when the market was doing well, it was reasonable, not now |
| 00:25.49 | Draggy | oh, is there a faq on how to reformat a cf card fully on zaurus?, to try and make it work for flashing?, I'm a bit new to linux still.. :) |
| 00:25.56 | kergoth | ibz: when a company has 500 resumes, 300 which have degrees, they're likely to throw out the other 200 and isolate the rest |
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| 00:26.03 | kergoth | ibz: theres likely those with both degree -and- experience |
| 00:26.15 | kergoth | ibz: they can afford to be picky |
| 00:26.27 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 00:26.49 | ibz | kergoth: agreed, but if you "missed out" on school, then someone the same age as you is likely to have less experience if they went the colege route |
| 00:27.08 | kergoth | ibz: true |
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| 00:27.37 | ibz | the focus then shouldn't be on not having a degree...but what you did in that time instead |
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| 00:27.52 | ibz | on the postives, not the negatives.. |
| 00:27.56 | ibz | "negatives" |
| 00:28.06 | kergoth | ibz: oh i know, i know how to write a resume to focus on the good |
| 00:28.18 | kergoth | ibz: and fluff it up a bit, but its still hard competing with those with degrees |
| 00:28.27 | kergoth | ibz: copmanies still put a great deal of emphasis on those pieces of paper |
| 00:28.37 | kergoth | i doubt they'll care that i have 3 linux certs |
| 00:28.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:29.41 | mickeyl | bed time. good n8 |
| 00:29.53 | kergoth | night mickeyl|away |
| 00:30.26 | dep | kergoth: is bk going to be fixed? bk pull gives "protocol error: <>" ....several others have had the problem |
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| 00:32.04 | kergoth | dep: dont ask me |
| 00:32.09 | kergoth | dep: its likely something with the server |
| 00:32.16 | kergoth | dep: i hear re-cloning hte repos helps |
| 00:32.51 | dep | what happens if i clone to the existing directory? |
| 00:33.16 | ljp | hmm, thats funny. I dont recall pushing my libclone up.. |
| 00:37.27 | ibz | kergoth: subscribed to kernel-newbies or lkml? |
| 00:37.41 | kergoth | ibz: kernel-newbies. lkml is too high traffic, i dont have 2 hours a day to dedicate to it |
| 00:37.49 | kergoth | ibz: just subscribe to ktraffic |
| 00:37.50 | kergoth | hhe |
| 00:39.19 | ibz | what area of kernel dev? |
| 00:39.26 | ibz | u interested in... |
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| 00:43.59 | sandman_ | n8 all |
| 00:44.39 | ibz[showers] | night |
| 00:47.59 | Cloudchaser | g'night sandman|zzzZZzz |
| 00:52.26 | BZFlagNotCTO | !reload |
| 00:52.30 | BZFlagNotCTO | ~reload |
| 00:52.30 | | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (n required) |
| 00:53.12 | ljp | not cto?! |
| 00:53.28 | BZFlagNotCTO | ~message to sandman_ I added a botmail|message to|for aliases to ibot |
| 00:54.03 | BZFlagNotCTO | ljp: nope. have you seen the news today? |
| 00:54.07 | ljp | no |
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| 00:56.09 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | Women are hyperthreaded. | OpenZaurus 3.1 release candidate 1 is now available. Testers wanted! http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/download?release_id=3 | lirc works - ipkg install and run "zremote" from console -- don't use opie-remote! |
| 00:56.45 | BZFlagNotCTO | ~message to sandman_ I added a botmail|message to|for aliases to ibot |
| 00:57.49 | ljp | hmm, so are you unemployed now? |
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| 01:01.20 | BZFlagNotCTO | ljp: almost. ;-) They are working on a contract proposal. |
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| 01:04.07 | DaWorm | metroworks buying lineo bad? |
| 01:06.55 | ruttz | hi y'all new to chat. just loaded rc1...scarry until found note on iwconfig |
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| 01:10.43 | ruttz | hear new netconfig by opie is answer? |
| 01:15.56 | ruttz | anybody out there? |
| 01:16.15 | testuser | 1 |
| 01:16.24 | ljp_ | 2 |
| 01:16.27 | DaWorm | 3 |
| 01:16.43 | ljp_ | hahaha I posted on the 5600 forum |
| 01:16.44 | testuser | i think its interesting that motorla bought lineo |
| 01:17.12 | ljp_ | ya, that was known for a while actually. |
| 01:17.14 | testuser | will they still want to support linux for Intel ARM? |
| 01:17.20 | DaWorm | metrowerks is motorola? |
| 01:17.26 | ljp_ | yes, they still have embedix |
| 01:17.46 | ljp_ | motorola is the parent co of metroweks |
| 01:18.09 | DaWorm | ahhh |
| 01:18.43 | testuser | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2127693,00.html?rtag=zdnetukhompage |
| 01:19.01 | ruttz | whats the news on 5600...is it cool? |
| 01:19.14 | ljp | dunno there are no 5600 really |
| 01:19.35 | Onyx4|work | nobse: hey you there? |
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| 01:21.11 | kergoth`bbl | yo |
| 01:21.45 | Onyx4|work | heh I just tought that we could by default include the eongames demo feed in OZ? that would be a good plug for Neo :) |
| 01:22.02 | Onyx4|work | I mean add it to ipkg.conf like "eongames" |
| 01:22.16 | Onyx4|work | in return we could get free games hehe |
| 01:22.23 | Onyx4|work | for the developpers |
| 01:22.25 | kergoth`bbl | Onyx4|work: ah, iw as going to say, i dont want any binary only ipks in the upstream oz feeds unless we -have- to |
| 01:22.37 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 01:22.50 | Onyx4|work | if you are ok with it, I'll ask Neo what he thinks hehe |
| 01:22.58 | kergoth`bbl | let me think about it. |
| 01:23.04 | Onyx4|work | ok get back to me on it |
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| 01:23.05 | DaWorm | err..can't we make an exception? Neo ports such ***cool**** games |
| 01:23.12 | ljp | ya you can add tkc apps also |
| 01:23.18 | kergoth`bbl | hah |
| 01:23.19 | mdz_ | good evening |
| 01:23.25 | DaWorm | errr |
| 01:23.25 | kergoth`bbl | hey mdz_, how ya been? |
| 01:23.28 | Onyx4|work | tkc don't have a demo feed do they? |
| 01:23.35 | mdz_ | kergoth`bbl: way too busy to play with the zaurus, unfortunately :-( |
| 01:23.42 | DaWorm | no i dont think tkc has demo verswions at all |
| 01:23.47 | kergoth`bbl | mdz_: know how it is |
| 01:23.48 | mdz_ | I just took it out of its cradle today and it had a thick layer of dust on it |
| 01:23.48 | Onyx4|work | exactly what I tought |
| 01:24.05 | DaWorm | you buy a sucky app and thats it |
| 01:24.06 | Onyx4|work | ok any other apps/games that would be cool to port in OZ ? |
| 01:24.08 | DaWorm | you get stuck |
| 01:24.09 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 01:24.14 | kergoth`bbl | Onyx4|work: add puzz-le |
| 01:24.15 | DaWorm | hrrmm |
| 01:24.22 | mdz_ | I threw OZ 3.1 on it, looking very sharp |
| 01:24.25 | DaWorm | a snes emulator! |
| 01:24.28 | kergoth`bbl | Onyx4|work: to the buildsystem anyway |
| 01:24.38 | kergoth`bbl | Onyx4|work: i want it in my gcc3 individual rom :) |
| 01:24.58 | kergoth`bbl | mdz_: upgrade apmd from unstable, gets rid of the annoying suspend delay |
| 01:25.18 | mdz_ | kergoth`bbl: will do, thanks |
| 01:25.24 | Onyx4|work | puzz-le is cool? |
| 01:25.26 | kergoth`bbl | np |
| 01:25.37 | kergoth`bbl | Onyx4|work: yep. warmi sells binaries. similar to the knights situation |
| 01:25.43 | DaWorm | yeah puzz-le is great |
| 01:25.44 | Onyx4|work | I see gotcha |
| 01:25.47 | kergoth`bbl | Onyx4|work: he gpl'd it though. and he wrote it, didnt just port it |
| 01:25.59 | Onyx4|work | ok so we handle it like knights I guess? |
| 01:26.01 | kergoth`bbl | but anyway i want a gcc3 ipk |
| 01:26.03 | kergoth`bbl | yeah |
| 01:27.23 | kergoth`bbl | ~rlart |
| 01:27.48 | ljp | hahaha missed me.. missed me! |
| 01:27.53 | kergoth`bbl | hehe |
| 01:27.55 | kergoth`bbl | ~rlart |
| 01:28.01 | ljp | hehehe |
| 01:29.49 | Onyx4|work | still that freaking protocol error, I wonder if everyone using bk other than OZ were getting that |
| 01:29.56 | Onyx4|work | or it's something in changeset 1.508 that caused it |
| 01:31.04 | Onyx4|work | we need some good card games for zaurus, there is no blackjack videopoker (at least non-java) |
| 01:31.17 | Onyx4|work | something like "zcasino" would be nice |
| 01:31.24 | Onyx4|work | with some casino games to practice |
| 01:34.37 | Onyx4|work | what else besides puzz-le ? |
| 01:34.55 | DaWorm | pipeman is cool |
| 01:34.59 | DaWorm | along with froot |
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| 01:39.53 | Onyx4|work | how about nethack? is that a good game? |
| 01:40.48 | savek | very sucks |
| 01:40.48 | savek | xD |
| 01:40.56 | Onyx4|work | hehe |
| 01:41.35 | Onyx4|work | do we need gnupg? |
| 01:42.23 | Onyx4|work | maybe nmap? |
| 01:42.28 | Onyx4|work | and nmap-fe |
| 01:42.45 | kergoth`bbl | Onyx4|work: socat as well |
| 01:43.43 | Onyx4|work | socat mmmk, i'm not sure what I'd use it for tough |
| 01:44.00 | kergoth`bbl | its like netcat only more powerful |
| 01:44.05 | kergoth`bbl | extremely versitile tool |
| 01:44.15 | Onyx4|work | ah maybe zethereal too? |
| 01:45.27 | Onyx4|work | someone mentionned zbedic |
| 01:46.52 | Onyx4|work | maybe we need a little shopping list program hehe |
| 01:47.04 | Onyx4|work | but last time i tried them, they sucked |
| 01:50.37 | Onyx4|work | oh and there is still no good icq clients out there for zaurus? |
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| 01:52.56 | Onyx4|work | we should include probably smbmount as well |
| 01:53.50 | Onyx4|work | zmeeting looks cool too, wonder if it works well |
| 01:53.59 | Piete | Onyx4it does :) |
| 01:54.17 | Piete | Onyx4 I chatted fron gnome meeting over the net to someone else's zaurus |
| 01:55.00 | Onyx4|work | ah cool, guess you don't see the person on the zaurus? |
| 01:55.02 | Onyx4|work | but you just chat? |
| 01:57.09 | Piete | Onyx4 well, I'm not sure if its compatible with the CF camera, but he saw me, and heard me, and I heard him |
| 01:57.26 | Piete | Onyx4 He was connected via WiFi CF |
| 01:57.41 | Onyx4|work | does anyone know if korganizer now is compatible with opie? I think the project name was kitchensync |
| 01:57.58 | Onyx4|work | Piete: how can you connect a mic and headphone at the same time on zaurus? |
| 01:58.50 | Piete | Onyx4 well, you could use cell phone headsets, or the more conventional method; speak into the left earphone :) |
| 01:59.25 | Onyx4|work | oh really, cell phone headsets work with it? I guess it's in mono mode, it uses one channel to send , other to receive? |
| 02:00.20 | Piete | http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/sections/audio.php3 |
| 02:01.40 | Piete | the info is a little sparse though, but for me the normal headset/left speaker = mic thing works great |
| 02:02.49 | mdz_ | I want a zaurus emulator in the worst way |
| 02:03.27 | Piete | zaurus emulator? whats wrong with 'the real thing'(tm) |
| 02:03.32 | DaWorm | i use ordinary earphones |
| 02:03.34 | DaWorm | works great |
| 02:04.38 | Piete | anyone know how I can get xmms to associate with wavs? (to play back recorded voice memos) |
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| 02:10.37 | ljp | quit that |
| 02:10.50 | jmhodges | hehe |
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| 02:11.07 | Piete | I installed some of the SDL demos from killefiz yesterday :) Most of them segfaulted, but the ones that worked was awesome |
| 02:11.22 | Piete | heya TMM1 |
| 02:12.17 | mdz_ | Piete: the problem with the real thing is that it is slow and doesn't have much storage, awkward for a lot of development tasks |
| 02:13.01 | Piete | yea |
| 02:13.46 | Piete | So far I really like 3.1rc1, I think its the best ROM for the zaurus to date :) |
| 02:14.04 | ljp | you guys see my post on the 5600 forum? |
| 02:14.23 | TheMasterMind1 | yo |
| 02:14.35 | nitup | Yes, 3.1rc1 is amazing, if that's not stable, I can't wait to see what is :) |
| 02:14.42 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: how goes .19 |
| 02:15.07 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: converting my lcd/fb driver from 2.5 to 2.4 and trying to fix it in the process (in 2.5 it displayed slightly offcenter) |
| 02:15.35 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: sweet. any luck with keyboard? |
| 02:15.40 | TheMasterMind1 | | initrd.bin | 493 | |
| 02:16.01 | TheMasterMind1 | | initrd.bin | 2023 | |
| 02:16.07 | TheMasterMind1 | people are still downloading ox3.0.. |
| 02:16.09 | TheMasterMind1 | oz even |
| 02:17.00 | Piete | I'm gonna go skiing in about 30 minutes :) Can't wait |
| 02:17.03 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: those are the people that believe oz3.0 is more stable cause its the stable branch :) |
| 02:17.11 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: those are the ones that'll switch to 3.1 when it releases |
| 02:17.12 | Onyx4|work | dragon bane 2 is coming to zaurus, that game looks awesome |
| 02:17.31 | Piete | Onyx4|work: cool! |
| 02:18.02 | Piete{skiing} | I'm out |
| 02:18.03 | Piete{skiing} | bye |
| 02:18.11 | Onyx4|work | me too going home |
| 02:18.22 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: how much of .19 now works? did you see that one guy who said he's willing to help out with the kernel? |
| 02:18.49 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: no i didnt. right now all i have going is serial and mtd. I'm doing lcd right now, and schurig gave us a keyboard driver we can alter to work with the Z |
| 02:19.12 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: after that its just a matter of pcmcia, sound, leds .. |
| 02:19.14 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 02:19.29 | kergoth`bbl | leds is like 8 lines of code, so thats nothing |
| 02:19.30 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=116&s=1e0a067a10ec5201b361a38edffee80b |
| 02:19.34 | kergoth`bbl | sound is going to be a bitch |
| 02:19.38 | kergoth`bbl | pcmcia will be fairly straight forward |
| 02:19.50 | TheMasterMind1 | irda? |
| 02:19.56 | DaWorm | i wish you all the best |
| 02:19.58 | kergoth`bbl | irda will be pretty straightforward as well |
| 02:20.02 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 02:20.11 | MSpin | kergoth`bbl: you might glance at some of the ADS patches, they might have something of use |
| 02:20.26 | kergoth`bbl | MSpin: planning on it :) |
| 02:20.34 | ljp | ya glance at the ipaq audio driver , too |
| 02:20.36 | ljp | :D |
| 02:20.43 | kergoth`bbl | ljp: bah, slacker. you go look at it :) |
| 02:20.53 | Onyx4|work | heh did someone fixed the ipk/staging install of affix for the 1.2.4->1.2.6 transition? |
| 02:21.03 | Onyx4|work | cause otherwise I'll do it |
| 02:21.10 | MSpin | kergoth`bbl: cool:) |
| 02:21.20 | MSpin | Onyx4: yeah |
| 02:21.34 | ljp | I have looked at it. It's much nicer code |
| 02:21.34 | Onyx4|work | oh ok, I'll bk unedit the file then hehe |
| 02:21.48 | TheMasterMind1 | MSpin: kismet-qt should detect if kismet_server is alrady running and if it is, don't start another copy or do its own hopping :) |
| 02:21.48 | MSpin | it was still trying to install the 1.2.4 bins even though the version was 1.2.6 |
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| 02:22.01 | MSpin | TMM: good idea:) |
| 02:22.03 | TheMasterMind1 | my bk tree is still fucked up |
| 02:22.06 | TheMasterMind1 | i have to reclone? |
| 02:22.19 | Onyx4|work | mine is too, getting protocol error |
| 02:22.24 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 02:22.24 | Onyx4|work | can I reclone on top of my current one? |
| 02:22.35 | Onyx4|work | I'd hate to mrproper and restart from scratch |
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| 02:22.51 | kergoth`bbl | MSpin: oh, i mustve forgotten to push the affix staging/ipk fix, sorry bout that |
| 02:22.54 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 02:22.58 | kergoth`bbl | hey prpplague |
| 02:23.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: replied to that thread |
| 02:23.20 | MSpin | kergoth: hrm, ok, well, look at what I did... |
| 02:23.37 | prpplague | lo |
| 02:23.39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: k, great |
| 02:23.44 | ljp | ogg schmogg |
| 02:23.44 | TheMasterMind1 | agupta@hubris:~/zaurus$ bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot |
| 02:23.45 | TheMasterMind1 | clone: buildroot exists already |
| 02:23.56 | Onyx4|work | TheMasterMind1: is that you sometimes who uses aman on irc? |
| 02:23.58 | MSpin | TheMasterMind1: tonight is all about Long Islands, or else I'd dork with kismet-qt now:) |
| 02:24.02 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4|work: lol, yes :) |
| 02:24.06 | Onyx4|work | doh! |
| 02:24.14 | ljp | hmmm that reminds me.. I need a rum |
| 02:24.16 | prpplague | kergoth: whatcha working on this evening? |
| 02:24.19 | TheMasterMind1 | agupta = aman gupta = aman = tmm1 |
| 02:24.38 | chouimat | kergoth: I get protocol error for linux-arm-2.4-collie |
| 02:24.47 | kergoth | chouimat: then the bk server is being flaky |
| 02:25.04 | chouimat | kergoth: bk pull :) |
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| 02:25.28 | ljp | superduperman == ljp |
| 02:25.46 | chouimat | god==chouimat |
| 02:26.14 | kergoth | chouimat: ? |
| 02:26.21 | kergoth | chouimat: pull in what tree? |
| 02:26.32 | ljp | anyone have problems ejecting sd with cardmon crashing opie? |
| 02:26.32 | chouimat | linux-arm-2.4-collie |
| 02:26.42 | kergoth | chouimat: ah. yeah pull/push are having issues |
| 02:26.42 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: its been fixed |
| 02:26.47 | ljp | k |
| 02:26.47 | kergoth | ljp: cardctl eject was hanging |
| 02:26.55 | kergoth | ljp: cardmon uses system() .. hence.. opie hangs |
| 02:26.56 | TheMasterMind1 | sd != cardctl |
| 02:27.06 | kergoth | ah misread |
| 02:27.13 | kergoth | yeah thats fixed ;) |
| 02:27.32 | ljp | ahhh,, ok, lemme switch to oprocess |
| 02:28.32 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 02:32.22 | DaWorm | that dual boot thread in the dev forum is funny |
| 02:32.23 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 02:32.28 | DaWorm | dual booting qtopia and ppc |
| 02:32.48 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:32.49 | kergoth | what about it? |
| 02:32.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:32.54 | kergoth | they can do it on ipaqs |
| 02:33.27 | DaWorm | oh they do? |
| 02:33.52 | nitup | yeah, I've seen a dual boot ipaq, it's cool |
| 02:34.12 | DaWorm | so we just need something like hardware documenation and ce.net to dual boot the z huh |
| 02:35.17 | MSpin | you need PlatformBuilder, is it? |
| 02:35.26 | MSpin | it was something like $10k last I saw |
| 02:35.35 | DaWorm | i guess |
| 02:37.37 | chouimat | MSpin: yup |
| 02:37.41 | DaWorm | oh wait |
| 02:37.47 | DaWorm | they used to call it Platform Builder |
| 02:37.48 | Cloudchaser | hey ljp, you around? |
| 02:37.53 | DaWorm | but I'm sure its ce.net now |
| 02:38.50 | MSpin | I thought ce.net was the dev env? |
| 02:39.17 | DaWorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.18 | DaWorm | Get Windows CE .NET for a great, low price. Learn more about this and other special programs. |
| 02:39.25 | nitup | oh, hmm, they want to boot ppc, I've seen an ipaq booting 2 different versions of linux |
| 02:39.47 | ljp | yes |
| 02:40.48 | Cloudchaser | you fixed the crashing from the taskbar eject sd? |
| 02:41.38 | ljp | me? no, I was told it had been fixed |
| 02:41.47 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 02:42.15 | ljp | I am going to try to make it not hang the gui |
| 02:43.31 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 02:45.53 | kergoth | ..again.. |
| 02:46.04 | ljp | hahaha good luck. your going to go insane also! |
| 02:46.15 | ljp | wwweee! |
| 02:47.02 | kergoth | whee! |
| 02:48.11 | ljp | my cat is staring at me with one eye, from a head upside-down position and she's sleeping |
| 02:49.51 | badl | ljp: your cat must be quite big now? |
| 02:50.07 | ljp | full size yes |
| 02:50.17 | ljp | tummy a bit on the big size |
| 02:50.51 | badl | big cat = strong cat ;) |
| 02:51.11 | kergoth | badl: strange logic you have there |
| 02:51.30 | badl | hehe.. i have this video |
| 02:51.52 | badl | one small little cat, and one BIG mama... they are fighting and the big one wins ;) |
| 02:52.59 | ljp | oh, like sump wrestling! |
| 02:53.02 | ljp | sumo |
| 02:53.07 | badl | yes |
| 02:53.26 | ljp | I like my cats like my women - slim |
| 02:53.43 | chouimat | ljp: me too and tall |
| 02:53.43 | badl | yes |
| 02:53.53 | badl | chouimat: and big breasts ;) |
| 02:54.01 | ljp | and scandinavian |
| 02:54.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:54.11 | chouimat | ljp: redhead :) |
| 02:54.15 | ljp | that too |
| 02:54.16 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 02:54.21 | badl | bah redhaeds are over rated! |
| 02:54.42 | DaWorm | how about redheaded rednecks |
| 02:54.43 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 02:54.50 | chouimat | badl: not to big, cause I don't have big hand and I don't like wasting thing |
| 02:55.12 | ljp | no fakies - big problem in L.A. |
| 02:55.50 | badl | heh |
| 02:56.09 | chouimat | DaWorm: no, a redhead with some nice green eyes with 34B-36B max 5'9" 130lbs that ok for me ;) |
| 02:56.37 | chouimat | shit! I just described my ex-wife |
| 02:56.40 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:56.48 | DaWorm | lol |
| 02:57.09 | chouimat | badl: I have eyes to do that :) |
| 02:57.31 | badl | and you need a pair of hands ;) |
| 02:57.39 | badl | to verify that your eyes are seeing correctly! |
| 02:57.49 | kergoth | ljp: so you want to rewrite the OSS implementation for me? you can even steal the implemetnation from ipaq if you want. i'll do the hardware access. |
| 02:57.50 | chouimat | badl: on a dancing floor it's no problem ;P |
| 02:57.52 | kergoth | ljp: ;) |
| 02:58.02 | badl | :D |
| 02:59.05 | chouimat | and it's more fun when you're with your friends and you pretend that you're blind :) |
| 02:59.34 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:59.46 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, and ljp runs away |
| 02:59.57 | chouimat | kergoth: chicks aer petting you :) |
| 03:00.41 | kergoth | ~lart ljp |
| 03:00.59 | chouimat | ~lart everyone |
| 03:01.11 | kergoth | hehe. we have one big collective ear |
| 03:01.36 | chouimat | kergoth: better having that sharing one brain :) |
| 03:01.40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:02.30 | ljp | hmm, well, I'll see what I can do |
| 03:02.36 | kergoth | ljp: come on, steal the ipaq oss implemetnation. copy and paste man! :P |
| 03:02.44 | kergoth | ljp: or do a alsa one, ipaq has one of those too |
| 03:04.09 | badl | the cat vido i was talking about get it from http://www.globe.net.nz/~badl/whysumoisbetterthankarate.mpg (1.23meg) |
| 03:04.28 | badl | then you will see why you want a FAT cat ovver a slim one ;) |
| 03:05.09 | ljp | thats what I will look into |
| 03:07.37 | ||ugh | Humm, now that I have power for the first time in three days do I fix the heat or get the Z flashed so it works again... |
| 03:07.53 | kergoth | ljp: k |
| 03:08.02 | kergoth | ljp: I'll keep focusing on lcd and keyboard |
| 03:10.07 | ljp | k, let me finish cardmaon |
| 03:11.17 | kergoth | k |
| 03:11.43 | kergoth | ljp: i'll get rid of the pcmcia/stab polling in cardmon later. you're implementing OProcess in it right? |
| 03:11.57 | ljp | ya |
| 03:12.02 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 03:12.14 | kergoth | ljp: see if you can figure out how to make it stop becomign the active window and stealing my focus! |
| 03:12.17 | kergoth | ljp: :) |
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| 03:13.09 | numatrix | You guys see the new volume control applet on ZSI? Anybody tried it yet? I'm curious how it compares to opie's volume control. |
| 03:14.42 | TheMasterMind1 | never seen it |
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| 03:15.14 | nasa | ibot zremote |
| 03:15.14 | | nasa: no idea |
| 03:15.25 | nasa | ibot maxmame |
| 03:15.25 | | nasa: wish i knew |
| 03:15.39 | numatrix | nasa: do you mean ibot zsi maxmame? |
| 03:15.51 | nasa | what is zsi? |
| 03:15.59 | nasa | nm |
| 03:16.02 | numatrix | nasa: zaurus software inde |
| 03:16.17 | nasa | actually, I wanted to see if anyone had it working with oz.... |
| 03:16.22 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you think its possible to flash our zimage and sharp rom initrd? probably work right? |
| 03:16.28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no |
| 03:16.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not without alteration |
| 03:16.32 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: what about it? |
| 03:16.34 | numatrix | nasa: what were the problems before? |
| 03:16.39 | TheMasterMind1 | i wrote the zremote script and andyq wrote the gui |
| 03:16.49 | nasa | It seg faults on starting for me |
| 03:16.51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: device naming. our cmdline is root=/dev/mtdblock4, sharp doesnt partition flash up that much |
| 03:16.56 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 03:16.56 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 03:17.06 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: doesn't look like zremote is on zsi; care to add it? |
| 03:17.08 | nasa | and I wanted to find the zremote program |
| 03:17.46 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix i don't want to personally, if you do, feel free. i haven't tested on sharp so i dunno |
| 03:18.18 | nasa | TheMasterMind1: where can we get the zremote? |
| 03:18.43 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: I'll do it tomorrow; if I add it, I'll want to get a screenshot. |
| 03:18.58 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: um.. its in the oz feeds :) |
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| 03:19.19 | TheMasterMind1 | its in the "lirc" ipk |
| 03:19.53 | nasa | ahh... |
| 03:19.59 | *** topic/#openzaurus by TheMasterMind1 -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | Women are hyperthreaded. | OpenZaurus 3.1 release candidate 1 is now available. Testers wanted! http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/download?release_id=3 | lirc works - "ipkg install lirc; zremote;" in console -- don't use opie-remote! |
| 03:20.36 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: does zremote have an icon? |
| 03:20.51 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 03:20.55 | TheMasterMind1 | i was planning on improving it |
| 03:20.58 | TheMasterMind1 | so you might wait a bit |
| 03:21.13 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: ok; just curious. It is a qt app though, right? You said andy did a front end? |
| 03:21.14 | TheMasterMind1 | its currently a shell script that calls a gui, i was going ot make it all part of the one c program |
| 03:23.51 | nasa | so has anyone gotten maxmame to work? |
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| 03:26.06 | TheMasterMind1 | you know, i bet if we made OZ commercial more people would use it |
| 03:26.10 | TheMasterMind1 | its so weird how that works |
| 03:26.18 | TheMasterMind1 | if its expensive, it must be good! |
| 03:26.53 | nitup | TheMasterMind1: sad but true |
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| 03:27.25 | TheMasterMind1 | we'd be rich too |
| 03:27.41 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess we'd basically sell techsupport |
| 03:27.48 | TheMasterMind1 | like all the linux distros do |
| 03:28.11 | TheMasterMind1 | and ship it in a box, with like a cd with easy popinthecd to install kindastuff |
| 03:28.26 | TheMasterMind1 | do we have to pay TT if we do that? |
| 03:28.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i wonder |
| 03:29.00 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: the development libraries are theirs, aren't they? |
| 03:29.07 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: a distribution feed of 150$ |
| 03:29.09 | chouimat | ? |
| 03:29.43 | TheMasterMind1 | prolly |
| 03:31.25 | badl | TheMasterMind1: but if OZ went commerical, you would have to market and advertise like any other produce -> hence the increase of awareness and users |
| 03:31.40 | badl | produce=product |
| 03:32.52 | TheMasterMind1 | badl: well, not commercial perse. like a option with techsupport for companies... i guess you're right, there is more awareness that way. and the companies/commercial market is bigger for PDAs anyway |
| 03:33.48 | badl | TheMasterMind1: the other difficult thing is if one was to go commerical, why does OZ have over the competition, what is its niche market.. |
| 03:33.48 | DaWorm | its a good idea though, and i'm interested in how it would work |
| 03:35.09 | TheMasterMind1 | badl: well, i wasn't exactly thinking of going commercial. more like just offering a small paid option with techsupport.. not make a big deal out of it and go advertising and put a lot of effort into it |
| 03:36.18 | DaWorm | we can still advertise though, its not that difficult to do that |
| 03:36.50 | badl | DaWorm: but what would you be promoting? |
| 03:37.08 | DaWorm | not the tech support per se, but OZ itself |
| 03:37.34 | DaWorm | just like any distro, you get the option to purchase tech support and stuff |
| 03:39.15 | kergoth | oz selling support? its a good idea. a friend though we should sell rom images but still have the bk tree avail .. i dunno about that.. but i like the paid support idea |
| 03:39.44 | TheMasterMind1 | nothing we have right now would change |
| 03:39.55 | TheMasterMind1 | just an extra option which would let companies/businesses use OZ |
| 03:40.01 | TheMasterMind1 | and make us a little money |
| 03:40.09 | DaWorm | no nothing changes right now, its just a viable option for serious users |
| 03:40.10 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno if its worth it though.. |
| 03:40.19 | TheMasterMind1 | yep, nicely put |
| 03:40.20 | DaWorm | oz developers still continue what they do |
| 03:40.31 | DaWorm | and a certain group focus on marketing and stuff |
| 03:40.45 | TheMasterMind1 | how profitable would it be you think? |
| 03:41.06 | ljp | especially after you have to pay opie devs :) |
| 03:41.16 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, heh |
| 03:41.18 | DaWorm | oh we forgot opie |
| 03:41.30 | DaWorm | and most requests are from opie bugs |
| 03:41.31 | TheMasterMind1 | not enough money to go around :) |
| 03:41.39 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, pay for bugfixes |
| 03:41.43 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 03:41.54 | Cloudchaser | hmm tried to download andy's game..bad link |
| 03:41.58 | TheMasterMind1 | its like google answers |
| 03:42.03 | ljp | you can put smelly onions apps on it too |
| 03:42.14 | DaWorm | hmmm.. |
| 03:42.20 | DaWorm | why not |
| 03:42.23 | DaWorm | start with the marketing |
| 03:42.29 | DaWorm | instead of focusing on the money |
| 03:42.32 | DaWorm | build up the user base |
| 03:42.40 | DaWorm | and ask them if they're interested in paid support |
| 03:42.53 | TheMasterMind1 | most people using OZ right now wouldn't be |
| 03:42.56 | TheMasterMind1 | i doubt it |
| 03:43.09 | kergoth | we're still way too small for this. |
| 03:43.13 | TheMasterMind1 | its the actual PDA users we're looking for.. the companies and such |
| 03:43.16 | kergoth | its something to consider long term |
| 03:43.18 | DaWorm | well we're not thinking of the now |
| 03:43.20 | TheMasterMind1 | and oz needs to be actually stable first too |
| 03:43.37 | DaWorm | the now crowd wont pay for stuff |
| 03:43.46 | kergoth | itll help when opie releases. |
| 03:43.48 | TheMasterMind1 | but once we're actually pretty damn stable, new kernel and all and we have stuff that the sharp rom just simply cannot offer... |
| 03:44.27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: particularly given sharp wont be developing this platform anymore |
| 03:44.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: OZ will be the best option for those wanting to get new features |
| 03:44.43 | DaWorm | ok how about i suggest starting a group to study the possibilities, not for the now crowd but when oz/opie gets very stable |
| 03:44.55 | kergoth | DaWorm: just drop an email onto openzaurus-devel |
| 03:45.03 | kergoth | we have that list, lets use it |
| 03:45.12 | DaWorm | right |
| 03:45.46 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? we have a list? |
| 03:45.50 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:45.55 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:45.55 | kergoth | we have three lists |
| 03:46.01 | kergoth | openzaurus-devel, openzaurus-users, openzaurus-announce |
| 03:46.09 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm on users |
| 03:46.10 | DaWorm | well |
| 03:46.10 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: you don't read the announcements too closely, do you? |
| 03:46.11 | DaWorm | let's see |
| 03:46.12 | TheMasterMind1 | daily digest |
| 03:46.25 | TheMasterMind1 | which is a pain.. since i can't answer people's questions |
| 03:46.31 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 03:46.31 | DaWorm | maybe TheMasterMind1 should be the one sending the email |
| 03:46.32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes exactly |
| 03:46.33 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. |
| 03:46.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:46.38 | DaWorm | since he's part of the dev team |
| 03:46.40 | TheMasterMind1 | should setup some filtering stuff |
| 03:46.47 | numatrix | Yeah; I've turned the zaurus ones on digest though mainly because of the volume. |
| 03:47.01 | numatrix | Not openzaurus; but zaurus-general at least. |
| 03:47.08 | TheMasterMind1 | DaWorm: heh, twas my idea but i'm too lazy to actually write up a thing about it. feel free to do so |
| 03:47.15 | badl | i can see one way you could turn OZ into a commerical venture. You would require an intermediate entity, which produces applications -- these may be sold into health, scientific, research industries. The intermediate entity would have the backing of the OZ dev team and would pay them support fees to develop and maintain OZ, while they focus on the applications. |
| 03:47.29 | kergoth | badl: indeed |
| 03:47.33 | ljp | opie |
| 03:47.36 | kergoth | badl: thats the only way to get into vertical markets |
| 03:47.40 | DaWorm | dont forget opie |
| 03:47.44 | kergoth | i.e. medical, industry, etc |
| 03:47.47 | ljp | opie is dev team |
| 03:47.49 | TheMasterMind1 | install -m 0644 /home/agupta/buildroot/build/pocketcellar/pkg-pcellar/opt/QtPalmtop/data/PocketCellar/LICENSE /home/agupta/buildroot/build/ipktemp/pocketcellar-1.1-1/opt/QtPalmtop/data/PocketCellar/ |
| 03:47.49 | TheMasterMind1 | install: cannot stat `/home/agupta/buildroot/build/pocketcellar/pkg-pcellar/opt/QtPalmtop/data/PocketCellar/LICENSE': No such file or directory |
| 03:47.52 | badl | yeah but opie is PIM oriented |
| 03:48.01 | ljp | is it? |
| 03:48.04 | kergoth | badl: opie is the core libs for the gui as well. |
| 03:48.10 | kergoth | badl: the base. the launcher. |
| 03:48.15 | kergoth | badl: corresponding applets |
| 03:48.21 | badl | i'm talking about like developing an application for on-site testing, like recording data for water sampling or something like this |
| 03:48.22 | DaWorm | oz would use picogui without opie |
| 03:48.23 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:48.25 | *** join/#openzaurus billytwowilly (~chris@24.86.147.26) |
| 03:48.29 | kergoth | badl: yep |
| 03:48.44 | kergoth | badl: i know. and said app would probably be using libqpe and libopie, hence the opie devs |
| 03:48.46 | DaWorm | specialized stuff |
| 03:48.52 | ljp | ibot lart daWORM |
| 03:49.01 | badl | these kind of markets can afford the captial outlay to pay for an (realitivity) expensive device like the Zaurus |
| 03:49.04 | kergoth | i hate it when he does that, i always cringe |
| 03:49.06 | DaWorm | ouch |
| 03:49.20 | ljp | he needs more larts |
| 03:49.27 | kergoth | yea |
| 03:49.36 | kergoth | as tim would say |
| 03:49.37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whats better, soft reset or a sysrq+b |
| 03:49.37 | kergoth | Patches accepted |
| 03:49.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: soft reset. |
| 03:49.46 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 03:49.54 | TheMasterMind1 | and sysrq+b over hardreset obviously |
| 03:49.59 | TheMasterMind1 | since there's no loss of data |
| 03:50.04 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:50.08 | kergoth | sysrq+b is just a hardcore reboot |
| 03:50.39 | TheMasterMind1 | without the loss of ram |
| 03:50.47 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:50.49 | kergoth | thats what i said |
| 03:50.51 | kergoth | a hardcore reboot |
| 03:50.54 | kergoth | reboot != reset |
| 03:50.57 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 03:50.58 | kergoth | s/reset/hard reset/ |
| 03:51.05 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, whatever |
| 03:51.14 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds good to me |
| 03:51.43 | kergoth | buildroot needs sane mirror handling |
| 03:51.45 | kergoth | one of these days |
| 03:51.53 | TheMasterMind1 | not too important really.. |
| 03:53.29 | TheMasterMind1 | so what do i need to wipe and rebuild.. |
| 03:53.30 | TheMasterMind1 | apmd? |
| 03:53.34 | TheMasterMind1 | obex.. |
| 03:53.49 | kergoth | oz-base, apmd, sdmmc, libopenobex, openobex-apps, affix, affix-modules |
| 03:53.51 | kergoth | afaicr |
| 03:53.57 | kergoth | did onyx4 push the pcmcia-cs update? |
| 03:54.17 | TheMasterMind1 | affix |
| 03:54.22 | TheMasterMind1 | what update? |
| 03:54.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't see anything pushed |
| 03:54.28 | kergoth | just a new ver |
| 03:54.31 | TheMasterMind1 | ah ok |
| 03:54.54 | TheMasterMind1 | probably his buildroot is still borked |
| 03:54.57 | TheMasterMind1 | protocol errors |
| 03:55.04 | kergoth | yea |
| 03:55.12 | TheMasterMind1 | just fixed mine |
| 03:55.22 | kergoth | been in kernel stuffs |
| 03:55.36 | TheMasterMind1 | stay there :) |
| 03:55.38 | TheMasterMind1 | any progress? |
| 03:55.49 | kergoth | working on the lcd, its hard to figure this shit out |
| 03:56.00 | TheMasterMind1 | hehe |
| 03:56.02 | kergoth | i can rip it out as is, but it doesnt fit into the new drivers cleanly without some restructuring |
| 03:56.09 | kergoth | but i cant figure out what half of it -does- |
| 03:56.11 | kergoth | without docs |
| 03:56.16 | TheMasterMind1 | yea.. |
| 03:56.48 | WormLunch | bbl |
| 03:56.52 | TheMasterMind1 | what was dessimator saying about new apm + usb + windows |
| 03:57.44 | kergoth | something about it not crashing |
| 03:57.49 | kergoth | but the interface not coming back up after |
| 03:57.51 | kergoth | or something |
| 03:58.46 | prpplague | kergoth: you hear i got the remote and keyboard from the webpal working on the z |
| 03:58.55 | kergoth | prpplague: really? hah |
| 03:59.09 | kergoth | prpplague: shit its worth the $13 just for that, much less the rest ;) |
| 03:59.17 | prpplague | kergoth: works great, for $13 the keyboard and remote are worth it |
| 03:59.43 | TheMasterMind1 | wha? |
| 03:59.44 | kergoth | prpplague: only 1mb of flash as is right? |
| 03:59.52 | TheMasterMind1 | what remote and keyboard? |
| 04:00.25 | TheMasterMind1 | is it an IR keyboard by anychance? |
| 04:00.51 | prpplague | ya |
| 04:00.53 | chouimat | hmmm |
| 04:01.02 | prpplague | ibot: webpal |
| 04:01.03 | | webpal is probably a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/ |
| 04:01.38 | kergoth | prpplague: anyone got hte serial connection up and play with linux yet? |
| 04:02.19 | chouimat | brb |
| 04:02.38 | TheMasterMind1 | i want a $13 ir keyboard that works with the z... :) |
| 04:02.41 | prpplague | kergoth: ya i ordered a couple of ttl-to-232 adapters |
| 04:02.55 | prpplague | kergoth: i think TomW did something by had |
| 04:02.56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: eek, i had an assload of uncommitted changes |
| 04:03.00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: lol |
| 04:03.04 | kergoth | prpplague: that doesnt surprise me. hehe |
| 04:03.22 | numatrix | Here it is for $8: http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpalrmt.html |
| 04:03.39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: push! |
| 04:03.48 | prpplague | numatrix: out of stock |
| 04:03.49 | kergoth | numatrix: out of stock |
| 04:03.51 | kergoth | ;) |
| 04:04.09 | prpplague | http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html |
| 04:04.16 | numatrix | ack. Bummer. |
| 04:04.25 | TheMasterMind1 | damn.. |
| 04:04.31 | kergoth | prpplague: how many do those guys have in stock? |
| 04:04.35 | prpplague | numatrix: its worth the extra, you get a nice modem |
| 04:04.38 | kergoth | prpplague: i still havent ordered mine |
| 04:04.42 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa, sweet |
| 04:04.44 | TheMasterMind1 | i should get one.. |
| 04:04.46 | numatrix | prpplague: really? where do I order? |
| 04:04.47 | TheMasterMind1 | what can i do with it? |
| 04:04.48 | prpplague | kergoth: don't know but they are going quick |
| 04:05.11 | kergoth | prpplague: think theres potential for this as an actual web browsing device? aka for mom/relatives? |
| 04:05.27 | numatrix | kergoth: That's what I've got my dreamcast for if I feel like surfing in the living room; works quite well. |
| 04:05.40 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: how did you get the keyboard to work with the Z? |
| 04:05.44 | kergoth | numatrix: dood, this is $13. hehe. |
| 04:06.03 | kergoth | The repository that you are pushing to is 14 changesets |
| 04:06.03 | kergoth | ahead of your repository. Please do a "bk pull" to get |
| 04:06.04 | kergoth | these changes or do a "bk pull -nl" to see what they are. |
| 04:06.05 | kergoth | ack! |
| 04:06.07 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 04:06.08 | numatrix | kergoth: True, but the dreamcast was a wedding present, so it was pretty cheap too. ;-) |
| 04:06.08 | prpplague | using a irc receiver through the serial port and using a serial-2-kbd buffer daemon |
| 04:06.14 | kergoth | mickeyl|away: hehe |
| 04:06.18 | kergoth | er |
| 04:06.19 | kergoth | numatrix: hehe |
| 04:06.32 | numatrix | prpplague: where to buy again? |
| 04:06.44 | kergoth | 22:16 < prpplague> http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html |
| 04:06.44 | prpplague | using a irc receiver through the serial port and using a serial-2-kbd buffer daemon |
| 04:06.47 | kergoth | scanline: hah |
| 04:06.49 | prpplague | oop |
| 04:06.50 | prpplague | s |
| 04:06.50 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: hmm, nice.. |
| 04:07.03 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: where do i get serial->kbd daemon |
| 04:07.04 | numatrix | I thought that was the link I pasted before. Hmm. /me is slightly confused. Reads the backlog... |
| 04:07.19 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix its different |
| 04:07.24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, i need 12 bucks |
| 04:07.27 | TheMasterMind1 | 13 even |
| 04:07.29 | TheMasterMind1 | is there shipping? |
| 04:07.30 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: NOTE: i'm using x, i have no idea about qt |
| 04:07.34 | kergoth | numatrix: the other one didnt have the modem |
| 04:07.51 | TheMasterMind1 | jeez! 11 bucks shipping?! |
| 04:07.57 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: http://freshmeat.net/projects/linbar/?topic_id=157 |
| 04:08.02 | numatrix | Ahh... |
| 04:08.25 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone have a coupon code? |
| 04:08.40 | TheMasterMind1 | bah, i don't wanna pay $11 shipping!! |
| 04:09.07 | prpplague | kergoth: doh |
| 04:09.11 | prpplague | kergoth: 2 payments? |
| 04:09.18 | prpplague | kergoth: i thought you just moved in? |
| 04:09.21 | kergoth | prpplague: well, november and december |
| 04:09.25 | kergoth | prpplague: moved in in august |
| 04:09.34 | kergoth | prpplague: i have the money for them both though, just havent payed it |
| 04:09.43 | prpplague | kergoth: doh, time to break something at work so you can get some overtime |
| 04:09.51 | kergoth | prpplague: cause i have no checks, and they charge a fee to pay online, andd i keep forgetting to get money orders |
| 04:09.58 | kergoth | prpplague: hah, dood i'm salary |
| 04:10.03 | kergoth | prpplague: working OT dont get me more $$ |
| 04:11.30 | prpplague | kergoth: ya well, i did salary once, never again |
| 04:12.03 | numatrix | Salary isn't all that bad. Depending on if your boss takes advantage of you, it can be quite nice. |
| 04:12.04 | prpplague | kergoth: if i'm gonna be work 23 hours a day, i'm sure as hell gonna get paid for 23 |
| 04:12.19 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: fuck! |
| 04:12.24 | kergoth | prpplague: hehe. my boss is a pussy. i'll never work OT. |
| 04:12.25 | numatrix | prpplague: Many salary places if you work over, you get the time to take off later. |
| 04:12.25 | TheMasterMind1 | protocol errors again! |
| 04:12.27 | TheMasterMind1 | goddamit |
| 04:12.35 | TheMasterMind1 | ARGH! |
| 04:13.24 | kergoth | numatrix: plus they cant make the ot -mandatory- anyway in most states due to employment laws |
| 04:14.25 | prpplague | kergoth: you were the topic of conversation this afternoon, we can't figure out why sharp hasn't grabbed you to help move their product |
| 04:14.56 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 04:15.20 | ljp | cause he cant read / speal japanese |
| 04:15.32 | ljp | speak |
| 04:15.51 | kergoth | prpplague: heh. /me shrugs |
| 04:16.47 | prpplague | kergoth: are you working on the digi connect under orders or just as a spare time project? |
| 04:17.11 | kergoth | prpplague: under orders, one of my goals for next year is to gain a level 1 support ability with the digi connect, NET+OS stuff |
| 04:17.19 | kergoth | prpplague: course i have two, so one is my hobby linux unit |
| 04:17.21 | kergoth | prpplague: heh |
| 04:18.03 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, ya well, i hope they are paying you well (from what i gather they don't) |
| 04:19.21 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: how fast is that processor in it? |
| 04:21.24 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: http://webpal.bigbrd.com/facts.html |
| 04:23.44 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: sweet |
| 04:24.31 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: are these used units or new? |
| 04:27.42 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: any chance you have a coupon code? it wants $25 shipping for three units!! |
| 04:28.05 | ljp | better read instructions on how to install linux |
| 04:28.11 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: no, try "shipitnostinkinbastards" |
| 04:28.43 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: nope :0) |
| 04:30.59 | ljp | you have to construct a board adapter |
| 04:31.28 | prpplague | ljp: or buy one |
| 04:31.39 | prpplague | ljp: you can get one pre-made for $20 |
| 04:31.44 | ljp | ahh |
| 04:36.26 | prpplague | ljp: http://www.al-williams.com/rs1.htm |
| 04:36.35 | Onyx4 | im back |
| 04:40.20 | *** join/#openzaurus roge99 (~roge99@68.118.204.89) |
| 04:45.09 | kergoth | roge99: hey roger, how goes it |
| 04:45.17 | roge99 | errr ok |
| 04:45.27 | *** join/#openzaurus killefiz_ (~sven@ach9-d9bbaa38.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 04:45.28 | roge99 | im haven one of those days |
| 04:45.35 | kergoth | ahh yeah know how that is |
| 04:45.37 | kergoth | sorry to hear that |
| 04:45.45 | roge99 | thanks |
| 04:46.02 | roge99 | hows things w/ you |
| 04:47.04 | kergoth | not too bad |
| 04:47.14 | kergoth | oz going well, work sucks badly |
| 04:47.15 | kergoth | the usual |
| 04:47.31 | roge99 | lol |
| 04:52.52 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: you think they have 5 units? |
| 04:53.31 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: i'm sure |
| 04:53.38 | TheMasterMind1 | great |
| 04:53.45 | TheMasterMind1 | damn shipping is still too hight |
| 04:53.46 | TheMasterMind1 | high even |
| 04:54.13 | prpplague | roge99: there seems to be alot of "one of those days" in the IT field lately |
| 04:54.19 | roge99 | lol |
| 04:54.22 | roge99 | this is true |
| 04:55.05 | *** join/#openzaurus chouimat (~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 04:55.07 | prpplague | roge99: i.e. fire or layoff 80% and give the work to the remaining 20% |
| 04:55.23 | roge99 | my day isnt that bad ! |
| 04:57.05 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: any idea if sound would work in linux on it? |
| 04:57.13 | TheMasterMind1 | "well if you can garuntee we can get linux and sound working, then yes i want one" |
| 04:57.15 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:58.58 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: nope, current word is no, but probably the top 1% embedded gurus have gotten their webpals yesterday or today |
| 04:59.11 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: i'd think one of those guys will get it working |
| 05:00.50 | TheMasterMind1 | alrighty |
| 05:00.54 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds good to me |
| 05:01.32 | *** join/#openzaurus sandman|1zzZZzz (~sandman@pD9E8A4E7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:02.36 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman|1zzZZzz: sup |
| 05:04.56 | *** join/#openzaurus BZFlag (timr@rikers.org) |
| 05:12.27 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 05:14.26 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: did you stick linux on yours? |
| 05:15.50 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: not yet, i'm currently doing some circuit mapping |
| 05:16.09 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm sounds un |
| 05:16.10 | TheMasterMind1 | fun even |
| 05:32.24 | *** join/#openzaurus BZFlag (timr@rikers.org) |
| 05:37.44 | vexation | damn it.. im fed up.. why does oz3.1 not like my wireless card? |
| 05:37.56 | vexation | 3.0 was fine, i just did and upgrade and p00f, it doesnt work |
| 05:37.57 | vexation | ;-( |
| 05:38.06 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't make any sense to me : |
| 05:38.09 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 05:38.20 | vexation | its driving me insane |
| 05:38.28 | vexation | is there a way to manualy bringit up? |
| 05:38.56 | vexation | it sees the card.. but its not listed in the network control tab |
| 05:38.56 | vexation | heh |
| 05:39.03 | TheMasterMind1 | ofcourse |
| 05:39.08 | TheMasterMind1 | probably something in networksetup borke |
| 05:39.12 | TheMasterMind1 | goto console |
| 05:39.15 | TheMasterMind1 | type ifconfig -a |
| 05:39.18 | TheMasterMind1 | does it show wlan0 |
| 05:40.32 | vexation | yes |
| 05:40.37 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 05:40.41 | TheMasterMind1 | cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:40.44 | TheMasterMind1 | does that show wlan0 |
| 05:40.56 | badl | *BORKED* |
| 05:41.07 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 05:41.16 | vexation | yes |
| 05:42.10 | TheMasterMind1 | vexation: what does the entry in network/interfaces say? |
| 05:43.01 | vexation | the normal shit to get an ip from a dhcp (which is right) |
| 05:43.21 | vexation | but i have wep installed =\ |
| 05:43.40 | *** topic/#openzaurus by TheMasterMind1 -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | Women are hyperthreaded. | OpenZaurus 3.1 release candidate 1 is now available. Testers wanted! http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/download?release_id=3 | lirc works - "ipkg install lirc; zremote;" in console -- don't use opie-remote! | buildroot protocol errors? use "bk pull bk://openzaurus@openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot" |
| 05:43.46 | vexation | i had it working in 3.0 and then upgraded thinking that might make it better |
| 05:44.04 | TheMasterMind1 | vexation: ok, what about /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts |
| 05:44.06 | TheMasterMind1 | edit that file |
| 05:44.13 | badl | ls |
| 05:44.16 | badl | ls -la |
| 05:44.22 | badl | whoops |
| 05:44.27 | badl | wrong console |
| 05:44.28 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 05:45.07 | vexation | TheMasterMind1: thats configured right |
| 05:45.53 | TheMasterMind1 | vexation: you sure? |
| 05:46.02 | TheMasterMind1 | vexation: type iwconfig |
| 05:46.05 | TheMasterMind1 | does that look right |
| 05:46.31 | vexation | yes |
| 05:46.33 | vexation | perfect |
| 05:46.41 | vexation | bc i stuck it all in and had it working in 3.0 |
| 05:46.42 | TheMasterMind1 | alright.. so the problem is what? |
| 05:46.45 | vexation | before i went to 3.1 |
| 05:46.53 | vexation | i dunno.. |
| 05:46.56 | TheMasterMind1 | what's not working |
| 05:46.57 | vexation | thats what im trying to figured out |
| 05:47.03 | vexation | its up but its not |
| 05:47.05 | vexation | ok |
| 05:47.07 | vexation | i stick the card in |
| 05:47.12 | vexation | the z sees the card |
| 05:47.14 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 05:47.29 | vexation | and when i did the upgrade from 3.0 (not the clean) the wireless applet came up |
| 05:47.32 | vexation | and had all the info |
| 05:47.41 | TheMasterMind1 | ok.. |
| 05:47.42 | vexation | but it isnt getting itself onto my network |
| 05:47.51 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 05:47.55 | TheMasterMind1 | go into konsole |
| 05:47.55 | vexation | no ip |
| 05:47.57 | TheMasterMind1 | type |
| 05:47.57 | vexation | ok |
| 05:47.58 | TheMasterMind1 | udhcpc |
| 05:48.04 | TheMasterMind1 | what happens |
| 05:48.05 | hardwire | hi |
| 05:48.26 | vexation | TheMasterMind1: failed; no such device |
| 05:48.35 | TheMasterMind1 | vexation: eh.. |
| 05:48.40 | TheMasterMind1 | vexation: try udhcpc -i wlan0 |
| 05:48.43 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: sup |
| 05:48.53 | hardwire | watching minority report |
| 05:49.00 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 05:49.06 | TheMasterMind1 | got a good rip? |
| 05:49.12 | vexation | haha |
| 05:49.13 | vexation | NICE |
| 05:49.17 | vexation | TheMasterMind1: im online! |
| 05:49.18 | vexation | ;-) |
| 05:49.28 | vexation | so whats wrong with the oz3.1? |
| 05:49.29 | TheMasterMind1 | vexation: yep, great. your problem is that you're running an old busybox |
| 05:49.30 | TheMasterMind1 | i think anyway |
| 05:49.34 | TheMasterMind1 | its because you upgraded |
| 05:49.36 | vexation | and am i gonna have to that every time |
| 05:49.37 | TheMasterMind1 | and busybox didn't |
| 05:49.45 | vexation | heh.. no busybox did |
| 05:49.55 | vexation | and it did the same thing when i didnt do an upgrade |
| 05:49.57 | TheMasterMind1 | ok do this |
| 05:50.00 | TheMasterMind1 | which udhcpc |
| 05:50.03 | TheMasterMind1 | in console |
| 05:50.05 | TheMasterMind1 | whats it say |
| 05:50.06 | vexation | at 1st i just reflashed |
| 05:50.15 | vexation | come agian? |
| 05:50.18 | TheMasterMind1 | type that |
| 05:50.21 | vexation | ok |
| 05:50.22 | TheMasterMind1 | "which udhcpc" |
| 05:50.44 | vexation | /sbin/udhcpc |
| 05:50.49 | hardwire | gonna rip a few things tomorrow.. I think |
| 05:50.57 | TheMasterMind1 | vexation: really.. interesting.. |
| 05:51.07 | vexation | haha.. |
| 05:51.13 | TheMasterMind1 | one sec |
| 05:51.26 | vexation | ok |
| 05:51.31 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, that's right |
| 05:51.34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, wonder whats causing it |
| 05:51.41 | vexation | is it the card? |
| 05:51.43 | TheMasterMind1 | did you set wlan0 to use dhcp? |
| 05:51.46 | vexation | i mean the card always used to work |
| 05:51.49 | TheMasterMind1 | nah, its something with software |
| 05:51.49 | vexation | yes |
| 05:52.01 | vexation | well i mean the software not likeing the card |
| 05:52.05 | vexation | its a linksys cf |
| 05:52.07 | TheMasterMind1 | nope shouldn't be it |
| 05:52.12 | vexation | prisim2 i believe |
| 05:52.16 | vexation | what was changed in 3.1? |
| 05:52.17 | TheMasterMind1 | if it works by hand, it should work automatically |
| 05:52.28 | TheMasterMind1 | we fixed ifupdown, which calls udhcpc |
| 05:52.35 | TheMasterMind1 | but its not calling it or its failing for some reason for you |
| 05:52.56 | vexation | bah.. ill just make a script to run the command to get me online for now |
| 05:53.02 | vexation | i think of it as enhanced security or somthing |
| 05:53.03 | vexation | haha |
| 05:53.08 | vexation | as long as it gets online |
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| 05:53.40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 05:54.07 | vexation | bbs |
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| 06:15.25 | parity_error | anyone around? |
| 06:15.27 | vexation | hrm... when i install apps to opie via the qtopia desktop where are they going? not my ram? im wondering if the 64-0 would be better then the 32-32 for me |
| 06:16.18 | TheMasterMind1 | DO NOT USE QTOPIADESKTOP TO INSTALL STUFF |
| 06:16.19 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 06:16.21 | TheMasterMind1 | parity_error: sup |
| 06:16.27 | vexation | uhoh |
| 06:16.29 | vexation | why |
| 06:16.35 | TheMasterMind1 | cuz it will screw it up |
| 06:16.36 | TheMasterMind1 | use aqpkg |
| 06:16.45 | parity_error | rc1 kicks ass, i just wanted to thank everyone involved |
| 06:16.49 | vexation | aqpkg was pissing me off |
| 06:17.01 | vexation | whelp.. looks like i fucked it up |
| 06:17.02 | TheMasterMind1 | parity_error: its only going to get better :) we're working on 2.4.19 kernel now |
| 06:17.14 | parity_error | sweet |
| 06:17.29 | vexation | hey if i change to the 64-0 image from the 32-32 i would be able to write and install to the 64-0 right? |
| 06:17.42 | parity_error | too bad i cant get linux on my damn desktop |
| 06:17.56 | TheMasterMind1 | vexation: eh? that will mean you have no ram to install stuff to |
| 06:18.00 | TheMasterMind1 | its all "real ram" |
| 06:18.30 | vexation | but in oz cant i write to the "real ram:? |
| 06:18.35 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 06:18.41 | TheMasterMind1 | you can write to storage ram |
| 06:18.46 | vexation | ooo |
| 06:18.47 | TheMasterMind1 | storage ram = /mnt/ram |
| 06:18.53 | vexation | oz's ram shit is confusing =\ |
| 06:19.02 | TheMasterMind1 | read the faqs and stuff |
| 06:19.07 | vexation | i did 100 times |
| 06:19.08 | vexation | haha |
| 06:19.10 | TheMasterMind1 | read the big section on the download page too |
| 06:19.12 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 06:19.14 | vexation | this is such a headache anymore |
| 06:19.42 | TheMasterMind1 | is..anymore.. ? |
| 06:20.10 | parity_error | the 40/24 or 48/16 are good rom |
| 06:20.12 | parity_error | s |
| 06:20.14 | vexation | whats the int storage? /jffs2 |
| 06:20.23 | TheMasterMind1 | that's the 16 of flash |
| 06:20.34 | TheMasterMind1 | you have 16flash and 64 ram |
| 06:20.44 | vexation | oooo |
| 06:20.45 | TheMasterMind1 | you can use some of that ram as storage |
| 06:20.50 | TheMasterMind1 | so you have more place to install stuff |
| 06:20.54 | vexation | i think i get it now |
| 06:20.57 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 06:21.05 | TheMasterMind1 | took me a while too :) |
| 06:21.13 | vexation | but i wish 3.1 worked with my cf |
| 06:21.17 | vexation | bc its still not working right |
| 06:21.22 | TheMasterMind1 | what isnt? |
| 06:21.29 | TheMasterMind1 | whats wrong now |
| 06:21.30 | vexation | well to sum it up |
| 06:21.38 | vexation | i have internet from the console but not opie |
| 06:21.42 | vexation | =\ |
| 06:21.46 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, thats not possible |
| 06:21.53 | parity_error | any good timewasting appz for the z out? |
| 06:21.56 | TheMasterMind1 | you probably don't have dns or something |
| 06:22.00 | TheMasterMind1 | parity_error: wasting? |
| 06:22.07 | vexation | heh |
| 06:22.07 | TheMasterMind1 | parity_error: sfcave :) |
| 06:22.08 | vexation | i dunno |
| 06:22.11 | vexation | i need play with it |
| 06:22.19 | vexation | i just fucked it up agian thogh with qtopia |
| 06:23.05 | parity_error | like games or something |
| 06:23.17 | TheMasterMind1 | parity_error: yep, get sfcave from the OZ testing feed |
| 06:23.31 | parity_error | oh are there any wifi sniffers? |
| 06:25.22 | parity_error | also the apmd wont upgrade, i have to remove it first |
| 06:26.28 | vexation | TheMasterMind1: i got it! dude i got it! |
| 06:26.42 | vexation | when the z initializes the wireless cf |
| 06:26.54 | vexation | it runs just "udhcpc" |
| 06:26.57 | vexation | which gives errors |
| 06:27.10 | vexation | but when i do run "udhcpc -i wlan0" like you said |
| 06:27.14 | vexation | it all falls into place |
| 06:28.11 | parity_error | whoa, what happened to the volume control? thats cool |
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| 06:35.31 | parity_error | lol |
| 06:36.12 | parity_error | how many geeks actually come in here with opie-irc? |
| 06:41.40 | badl | wtf |
| 06:42.03 | WormLunch | lol no |
| 06:42.07 | WormLunch | i come here in mirc |
| 06:42.08 | WormLunch | haha |
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| 07:44.30 | schurig | Here at home the bitkeeper protocol error is gone ... |
| 07:44.34 | schurig | s/home/work/ |
| 07:46.33 | nostromo_ | how/where should I fix SD not being started on boot after upgrading sdmmc? |
| 07:46.38 | vexation | ok.. about 3 hours later i get oz3.1 working 100% and im going to bed |
| 07:46.40 | vexation | g`night |
| 07:46.42 | vexation | thx for the help |
| 07:47.48 | nostromo_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:54.25 | kolla | nice... IPv6 for Z |
| 07:54.54 | kolla | an old how-to even |
| 08:04.51 | nostromo_ | ipv6 module gives undef symbols in my z |
| 08:07.56 | kolla | I havent tried on mine yet, never got the cross-compiler setup working |
| 08:08.05 | kolla | (didnt try that hard though) |
| 08:21.33 | schurig | kergoth`movie: How about making run-level 2 being ascii-mode. And Runlevel 3 being graphical (Qt/E, PicoGUI, TinyX) ? |
| 08:22.14 | kolla | what's wrong with runlevel 3 and 5? |
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| 08:22.46 | Onyx4 | I still get the protocol error problem |
| 08:23.59 | schurig | kolla: nothing ... it's just that the default runlevel is 2. And this one already starts opie. |
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| 08:24.24 | schurig | Onyx4: for me it's gone away. I did nothing special, just "bk pull" this morning. At home I had to bk clone freshly. |
| 08:24.41 | schurig | Onyx4: I guess the Bitkeepers have changed their server software |
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| 08:25.09 | Onyx4 | BitKeeper/Free version is bk-3.0 20021011025136 for x86-glibc22-linux |
| 08:25.13 | Onyx4 | what is your bk version? |
| 08:25.22 | schurig | The same. |
| 08:25.35 | schurig | Has you read the topic? |
| 08:26.11 | schurig | tmm1 found a way to circumvent his protocol error |
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| 08:26.42 | Onyx4 | ah yes that works |
| 08:26.55 | Onyx4 | just a normal bk pull still fails, strange tough |
| 08:27.12 | schurig | someone should report this to the Bitkeepers ... |
| 08:27.38 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 08:28.12 | schurig | What happens when you type "bk status". It takes some way, but mine emits, among other stuff: Parent repository is http://openzaurus@openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot |
| 08:28.44 | Onyx4 | Parent repository is http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot |
| 08:28.49 | schurig | Hmm, its http://, not bk:// as in the /topic |
| 08:29.15 | Onyx4 | can we change who is our parent? |
| 08:29.50 | Onyx4 | bk help parent |
| 08:30.00 | nostromo_ | task-opie requires opie-batteryapplet-ipaq. Is it OK? |
| 08:30.29 | nostromo_ | it does not look right |
| 08:30.30 | Onyx4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.32 | Onyx4 | that fixes it now |
| 08:30.51 | Onyx4 | now I can do bk pull |
| 08:31.40 | Onyx4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.41 | Onyx4 | also works |
| 08:31.45 | Onyx4 | and uses anonymous mode I guess |
| 08:31.47 | *** topic/#openzaurus by schurig -> OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | opensource java for oz coming REAL soon | OpenZaurus 3.1 release candidate 1 is now available. Testers wanted! http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/download?release_id=3 | lirc works - "ipkg install lirc; zremote;" in console -- don't use opie-remote! | buildroot protocol errors? use "bk parent bk://openzaurus@openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot" and try again |
| 08:32.00 | Onyx4 | so I think it's best with http |
| 08:32.31 | schurig | No, its not anonymous because of the openzaurus@ stuff. That's the user. And we're using that user because of our SSH key. |
| 08:35.04 | Onyx4 | ok so what's the best to use then bk or http? |
| 08:35.35 | schurig | If bk:// works and http:// gives protocol errors ... then bk://. Or did I mix something up? |
| 08:37.48 | Onyx4 | no both works |
| 08:37.54 | Onyx4 | as long as I specify the openzaurus@ part |
| 08:40.14 | schurig | That's normal. Without the openzaurus@ you are using anonymous. And then you cannot push files, and maybe not even have modified files while pulling. |
| 08:44.23 | nostromo_ | Q: task-opie requires opie-batteryapplet-ipaq. Is it OK? |
| 08:44.56 | nostromo_ | It looks funny because of the "ipaq" |
| 08:45.44 | Onyx4 | task-opie is just a dummy package that selects all applets to be installed |
| 08:45.47 | Onyx4 | I wouldn't use that |
| 08:45.51 | schurig | nostromo_: this might be a bug. Isn't there an opie-batteryapplet there? |
| 08:45.52 | Onyx4 | just take the ones you need |
| 08:46.29 | Onyx4 | we install most of the useful applets by default |
| 08:49.43 | Onyx4 | ibot: botmail for kergoth: reminder to reply to openzaurus-devel regarding pcmcia bug |
| 08:53.02 | nostromo_ | yes, there is a batteryapplet, also. |
| 08:53.23 | nostromo_ | So I did not install the ipaq one |
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| 08:59.54 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
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| 09:10.43 | kolla | mf.. nostromo left |
| 09:11.01 | kolla | anyone else have a working kernel compilation environment? |
| 09:20.09 | ||ugh | Humm, anyone hear of -rc1 getting stuck in the flashing stage? I am close to 20 minutes of flashing from a non-microdrive CF card. Too slow and very worrying. |
| 09:20.59 | DaVv | ||ugh: Are both lights on steady... or are they flashing? |
| 09:21.15 | ||ugh | Both stedy so far. |
| 09:21.27 | DaVv | ||ugh: I have not heard of any issues though. :( |
| 09:22.31 | DaVv | ||ugh: With my cheap PNY is took about 2 minutes or so. You have a Sandisk CF? |
| 09:22.40 | schurig | kolla: I have a working kernel environment |
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| 09:23.10 | kolla | schurig: could you try to create the ipv6.o? :) |
| 09:23.19 | ||ugh | I was the second person to find out (ie confirm) that the original -rc1 was borked, and in general I am used to finding trouble. I am not sure who made my 96mb card, but the usual flash time is about three minutes or less. |
| 09:23.33 | schurig | kolla: I haven't. I'm not interested in ipv6 ... |
| 09:24.01 | kolla | understandable |
| 09:25.17 | ||ugh | Is there a 'good' way to interupt a flashing once one has decided it's never finishing? |
| 09:25.44 | kolla | not that I know of.. how long has it been flashing? |
| 09:26.26 | kolla | oh.. more than 20 minutes |
| 09:26.28 | ||ugh | Over 25 minutes. |
| 09:27.34 | ||ugh | And it's warm! |
| 09:27.45 | schurig | Hmm, has anybody of your build prelink? On my system it borks about a missing STT_TLS symbol. That's not in libelf ... but where is it? |
| 09:28.31 | schurig | ||ugh: I'm not familiar with the zaurus, I have my own hardware ... what do you use for flashing? JFFS2 or the Angel Bootloader? |
| 09:29.27 | ||ugh | The Z uses a FAT16 file system on a CF and the first few blocks of the flash read in two 'standard' files off the flash. |
| 09:29.57 | ||ugh | (off the CF into the rest of the flash, a kernel and a system image). |
| 09:30.26 | schurig | ||ugh: okay, so your're just flashing the CF card. That's no problem, you can break the flash.When you remove the CF, wait some seconds and re-insert it, you could format the CF again. |
| 09:30.58 | ||ugh | schurig, no, I am flashing the internal boot/run flash from the CF. |
| 09:32.18 | schurig | ||ugh: Okay, then you should find out beforehand if you can flash from the Angel bootloader. If you stop the flashing by pressing reset, then some sectors of your internal flash are borked. However, because you did not flash Angelboot, that one is ok. When you reset and know how to connect with a serial cable to Angel, you could re-surrect your system. However, I don't have any info at hand, maybe something is in the FAQ. |
| 09:33.51 | ||ugh | Rats, I have NO way into the serial port at this point (let alone the JTAG port, which I guess might be the real target here). Maybe I own a brick all of the sudden... |
| 09:34.25 | schurig | The Z has a JTAG port? Then you can unbrick your brick if you have the right JTAG cable and software. |
| 09:34.30 | schurig | JTAG is cool. |
| 09:34.54 | kolla | jtag? |
| 09:35.56 | ||ugh | Right now I have zero things that plug into the dumb I/O port on the Z. Sigh. JTAG is a very low speed serial bus for talking to chips about their health and doing the initial programing. It's a bit like USB but SLOW. |
| 09:36.48 | ||ugh | It's intended for manufacturing only, but it's turning out to be useful in the real world. |
| 09:37.57 | schurig | kolla: jtag are 4 pins on the CPU. You can use this one to put the CPU to sleep and drive the address, data and control bus from an external PC. This way, you can test hardware components or you can flash the EEPROMs. It's used during manufacturing time to get a bootloader into a brand-new EEPROM. And you can use it to unbrick a brick ... |
| 09:38.17 | Dessimat0r | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=796 |
| 09:38.20 | Dessimat0r | cool! :D |
| 09:38.34 | kolla | ok, |
| 09:39.12 | schurig | ||ugh: JTAG can 2 MB/s if you have some external JTAG device, e.g. a BDI 2000. However, if you have a parallel-port bit toggler, than it's slow. Because the parallel port is slow. Then you have only 4 kB/s or so. |
| 09:39.34 | ||ugh | Who wants to bet that NO ONE invloved with this silly 'Angelboot' has ever used say the Sun boot PROM. Sigh. |
| 09:40.07 | schurig | ||ugh: is the Sun boot prom better? What's so special with it? |
| 09:40.10 | ||ugh | Humm, ok schurig, thats a lot faster then I had heard. Makes sence if you want to make a LOT of some widget! |
| 09:40.26 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 09:41.22 | schurig | ||ugh: yeas, it is fast. The BDI2000 connect to the ethernet and get's the image via TFTP. It has an FPGA or CPLD that drives the JTAG statemachine and JTAG pins. And then it's VERY fast. We have such a device here in production (althought for a PXA250, not for a StrongARM). |
| 09:42.08 | ||ugh | Schurig, have you ever used a Sun, wicat, say even a Z-80? ARGH I can't even begin to express my self on this one! PC class BIOS's are SOOOOOOOOO sick and dumb and unnessary! |
| 09:42.50 | ||ugh | Let me calm down and try to expalin. |
| 09:43.41 | Dessimat0r | has someone bricked their Z? |
| 09:44.23 | schurig | ||ugh: do you have some web page that describes this bootloader? |
| 09:45.03 | ||ugh | I have _never_ in allmost two decades of using Suns (and other real Unix boxes) had to reflash the BIOS or even lost a machine as I just did (bricked). If a load fails I just reload! See with a real bootprom one can ALLWAY type at a small (but dumb) loader and load SOMETHING that works. Simple and does not take much, but obviously more then the ripoff artists at AMI, Phoneix and the like know how to do. |
| 09:46.25 | ||ugh | Web page? For teaching how do to do prom moniter? I am struck dumb. None of us in the Unix world would ever need such a thing, but your right, maybe it's a way of sharing the knowledge... hum. |
| 09:46.42 | schurig | ||ugh: some bootloaders for ARM know about the JFFS2 filesystem. So you can simply put several kernels into your /boot directory and boot any one of them. That is cool. Other bootloaders know about network and TFTP, so you can remote-boot various images. Do you mean things like that? |
| 09:47.15 | kergoth`movie | hey guys |
| 09:47.26 | schurig | How was the movie? |
| 09:47.28 | ||ugh | Yes, thats more like it! Note that I have had systems like that since the early 1980's. |
| 09:47.59 | MSpin | PC bios are just getting the recovery features that HA sustems have had for years |
| 09:48.34 | kergoth`movie | schurig: very good |
| 09:48.35 | ||ugh | Some of us don't think of this has HA, more as a way to not go CRAZY keeping the systems running. |
| 09:49.23 | MSpin | it all comes down to cost |
| 09:49.27 | schurig | kergoth`movie: hi ... when I compile prelink, it complains about missgng symbols, e.g. STT_TLS. That symbol is nowhere in libelf. Do you have any idea why it builds on your system, does it need stuff from binutils maybe? |
| 09:49.36 | ||ugh | Hey kergoth`movie, what do you think about a 35 minute -rc1 flashing (and couting...)? |
| 09:49.56 | kergoth`movie | ||ugh: corrupt image or bad fs |
| 09:50.10 | kergoth`movie | schurig: what toolchain are you using to build it? |
| 09:50.27 | MSpin | kergoth`movie: what movie? |
| 09:50.50 | schurig | 2.95.3 for all (kernel and user-space) |
| 09:51.11 | ||ugh | kergoth`movie, is there a way out? Like a way to quit the flashing with out bricking the Z? |
| 09:51.11 | schurig | I once tried your gcc3.2 from buildroot, but it did not compile on my non-debian system |
| 09:51.16 | Dessimat0r | ||ugh: I've had a flash for ages before, I just reflashed, and all was fine ;) |
| 09:51.23 | kergoth`movie | schurig: wont build with 2.95.3 afaicr. |
| 09:51.31 | Dessimat0r | ||ugh: doesn't the bootloader stay untouched? |
| 09:51.31 | kergoth`movie | schurig: that 2.95.3 has too old binutils, yep |
| 09:51.54 | kergoth`movie | ||ugh: just stop and reflash (assuming you're flashing oz) |
| 09:52.02 | kergoth`movie | MSpin: two towers, midnigh showing |
| 09:52.15 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 09:52.42 | ||ugh | FYI the md5's and the CF are all good. I will stop the flash and see what I can learn. Thanks kergoth. |
| 09:52.56 | schurig | kergoth`movie: wasn't the two towers movie shown for two days at this 11th September ?!?! |
| 09:53.12 | Dessimat0r | check that the CF is inserted correctly, you never know.. ;) |
| 09:53.17 | Dessimat0r | just push it in hard |
| 09:53.22 | kergoth`movie | schurig: bah |
| 09:54.55 | schurig | kergoth`movie: by the way: did you notice that this keyboard driver can easily put into polling mode? However the "ISR" is called, it justs looks for changed keys. |
| 09:55.17 | MSpin | kergoth`movie: sweetL:) |
| 09:55.26 | ||ugh | CF was good. Ug. Trying again. |
| 09:55.45 | ||ugh | schurig, are you doing a new Z like machine? |
| 09:55.56 | schurig | Hmm, binutils-2.13.90 from the buildsystem still needs dpkg-architecture |
| 09:56.00 | MSpin | well, I'm slightly drunk, so it's bed time |
| 09:56.02 | schurig | ||ugh: no, very different |
| 09:56.05 | kergoth`movie | schurig: yep, i noticed |
| 09:56.19 | kergoth`movie | schurig: i know. feel free to fix it to manually extract/patch, i havent had time |
| 09:56.56 | ||ugh | schurig, would explaining to you more about a well done boot moniter be useful? |
| 09:57.09 | Dessimat0r | um bongo um bongo, way down deep in the middle of the jungle, a hippo took an apricot a guava and a mango, he mixed it all together and he danced a dainty tango, the rhino said, i know - we'll call it um bongo |
| 09:57.48 | ||ugh | I just rebooted my Z and it's acting like the -rc1 instal worked Odd. |
| 09:58.07 | schurig | ||ugh: kergoth wants some different bootloader at some time. So it would be nice to have an idea of what would be useful when we select one. However, as I understand it, that is low-priority ... |
| 09:58.40 | ||ugh | Kergoth, I am at the calibrate screen, we shall see if things work this time around... |
| 09:59.18 | Dessimat0r | schurig: could we have one that could flash an image from ext2 too? |
| 09:59.24 | ||ugh | failure. My guess is that I got the -rc1 one from last week and not the one I just tried to install. One more time aflashing I will go. |
| 09:59.52 | kergoth`zzz | later all |
| 09:59.55 | ||ugh | YES! I run all my CF's with REAL file systems! Down with this PC CRUD!!! |
| 09:59.55 | Dessimat0r | l8r |
| 10:00.04 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 10:00.06 | schurig | Dessimat0r: that would be quite difficult. You'd have to write code in the bootloader that knows about the ext2 filesystem. Some bootloaders know already about FAT and JFFS2, but to my knowledge no one knows about ext2. |
| 10:00.15 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 10:01.06 | Dessimat0r | how about a bootloader that displayed the flashing progress on the LCD? ;) |
| 10:01.24 | ||ugh | So |
| 10:01.53 | ||ugh | So? If it's to run Linux then ext2 is a fine thing for the boot moniter to know how to read from. |
| 10:02.41 | schurig | Dessimat0r: could be done. You just have to initialize the LCD controller of the StrongARM. The IPAQ bootloader does this, for example. Not sure if it does display the boot progress. However, as the ipaq bootloader has something in relation with the Familiar project, it's extremely undocumented. :-( |
| 10:02.54 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 10:03.23 | Dessimat0r | You could also output any flashing errors, etc |
| 10:03.27 | Dessimat0r | to the lcd |
| 10:04.35 | ||ugh | Second flashing seems to have taken. |
| 10:04.57 | ||ugh | We will see if this one gets past the calibrate program! |
| 10:05.09 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 10:06.26 | ||ugh | schurig, if you don't wake up the keyboard and screen (LCD in this case), then you really don't have much you can do but load the default image and if that fails try looking elsewhere. Not fun. Get the screen and keyboard going. |
| 10:07.07 | ||ugh | One thing that might be on the net that you could look up is the "OpenBoot" system. It's based on Fourth and was comerical, but it works really well. |
| 10:08.38 | ||ugh | Yea! My Z is useful for the first time since last Thursday when I tried the very first borked -rc1! Thanks everyone (may Kergoth dream wonderful thanks!). |
| 10:09.09 | Dessimat0r | :D |
| 10:11.57 | Dessimat0r | Q: At OpenBoot, can I mount file systems and access files? |
| 10:11.58 | Dessimat0r | No, in practice you cannot. OpenBoot understands neither Solaris file systems nor files. It is a very primitive system that mainly deals with hardware devices and not high-level objects like file systems and files. |
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| 10:20.07 | Onyx4 | I just added nmap to OZ buildroot |
| 10:20.36 | schurig | kergoth`zzz: binutils is compiling ... |
| 10:20.59 | schurig | maybe this get's into his dream. Then again, maybe he dreams about better things ... |
| 10:21.05 | schurig | Onyx4: cool |
| 10:21.59 | Onyx4 | probably the frontend will follow |
| 10:22.19 | Onyx4 | then I'll try to do smbfs (for smbclient and smbmount) |
| 10:23.39 | Onyx4 | but im off to sleep now , later |
| 10:23.47 | nobse | bye Onyx4 |
| 10:23.51 | schurig | good sleep |
| 10:24.32 | Onyx4 | http://feed.onyx4.com/unstable/nmap_3.00-1_arm.ipk |
| 10:25.59 | ||ugh | Schurig, when do we get to hear about your new hardware? |
| 10:29.08 | schurig | ||ugh: march or so. It's for a special market segment (logistiks). The general public won't use it. |
| 10:29.19 | schurig | it's NOT a PDA. |
| 10:29.55 | ||ugh | Humm, sounds like a delevery van tracker or the like. Ok, good luck! |
| 10:30.47 | schurig | dammit, binutils overwrote my existing 2.95.3 toolchain binutils ... guess you have to be careful and change the CROSS_DIR... |
| 10:32.27 | Garf_ | bk pull still returns protocol error.... |
| 10:34.54 | schurig | Garf_: did you "bk parent" ? |
| 10:35.04 | schurig | I pulled twice today without protocoll error? |
| 10:35.36 | schurig | Garf_: note the bk:// instead of http:// ... if that still does not work, then remove the stuff and do a new bk clone. |
| 10:36.00 | schurig | Upps, not remove... do "bk pull bk://<the usual sermon>" |
| 10:36.13 | Garf_ | Parent repository is http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot |
| 10:36.42 | schurig | try "bk parent bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot" and then "bk pull" |
| 10:36.43 | Garf_ | ok, pulling with bk:// works |
| 10:37.02 | Garf_ | should go into the FAQ? |
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| 10:57.38 | Piete | hey all |
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| 10:58.56 | schurig | Piete: hey! |
| 10:59.07 | Piete | :) how goes it? |
| 11:05.06 | smee|wrk | anyone know anyone with socket bt card + affix + oz? |
| 11:05.11 | smee|wrk | I am failing to get it working |
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| 11:13.28 | Piete | smee|wrk: If I could I would :) |
| 11:14.29 | smee|wrk | heh |
| 11:14.45 | smee|wrk | got it working on my laptop |
| 11:15.10 | smee|wrk | sourceforge ml archives were borked yesterday |
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| 11:31.55 | schurig | ibot seen mickeyl |
| 11:31.55 | | mickeyl <mickey@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 11h 2m 14s ago, saying: 'bed time. good n8'. |
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| 11:52.49 | Zxcvb | are there any plans to fix the clock drift in OZ? |
| 11:56.25 | Dessimat0r | ibot dratsab |
| 11:56.25 | | Dessimat0r: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 11:56.33 | Dessimat0r | ibot seen dratsab |
| 11:56.33 | | i haven't seen 'dratsab', Dessimat0r |
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| 13:19.49 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
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| 13:21.22 | schurig | Hi AndyQ |
| 13:21.25 | Cloudchaser | heya AndyQ|Work |
| 13:21.30 | AndyQ|Work | hey - hows it going? |
| 13:21.38 | Cloudchaser | too early to tell yet :) |
| 13:21.46 | AndyQ|Work | hehe - just had lunch here :) |
| 13:21.57 | Cloudchaser | hey, i tried to download your game from zsi...seems to be bad link |
| 13:22.25 | AndyQ|Work | Cloudchaser: which link? it should be http://andyq.myby.co.uk |
| 13:23.01 | ljp_ | heh someone finally closed the vmemo bug on oz sf bugs page... 8 months later |
| 13:23.13 | AndyQ|Work | ooooooo - its wrong :) |
| 13:23.23 | ljp_ | tststs |
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| 13:23.46 | Cloudchaser | the link says /feed/sfcave |
| 13:23.48 | AndyQ|Work | Cloudchaser: it should 1.9 rather than 1.8 |
| 13:23.55 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 13:23.57 | AndyQ|Work | Cloudchaser: I'll update ZSI |
| 13:24.00 | schurig | AndyQ|Work: at the beginning of your right frame one can see html>\nWelcome to my world. Looks like bad HTML code |
| 13:24.02 | Cloudchaser | thanks andy :) |
| 13:24.32 | AndyQ|Work | schurig: arse - I'll change that later (must have screw something up in a hasty update :) |
| 13:25.42 | Cloudchaser | its 1.8 on your downloads section too...there's newer? |
| 13:26.08 | AndyQ|Work | Yeah - thats a case of updating the feed but not updating the downloads |
| 13:26.39 | AndyQ|Work | I was doing some playing at home and updated the feed as I was installing from there and forgot to update the main site - I'm terrible for doing that |
| 13:26.44 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 13:26.52 | Cloudchaser | k i'll get it once its updated |
| 13:27.12 | ljp_ | my kitty is pritty |
| 13:27.12 | Cloudchaser | gathering some games for a road trip |
| 13:27.30 | Cloudchaser | found some other levels for tickypip too last night |
| 13:27.31 | AndyQ|Work | Cloudchaser: the one from the feed is fine - use http://andyq.myby.co.uk/feed/sfcave_1.9_arm.ipk |
| 13:28.01 | Cloudchaser | ok it works fine for sharp rom? |
| 13:28.57 | ljp_ | sharp rom? whats that!? |
| 13:29.44 | Cloudchaser | andy i can't get to /feed and if i try to get to /feed/sfcave.ipk my browser is too stupid to figure out what to do with it |
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| 13:30.36 | Cloudchaser | ljp_: oh you know.. its the rom that is stable and works for me ;) |
| 13:31.56 | ljp_ | hmmm.. rc1 is rather stable |
| 13:32.16 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 13:32.31 | Cloudchaser | that's great :) |
| 13:34.14 | Cloudchaser | i'm happy to hear things are coming along well :) |
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| 13:34.42 | ljp_ | too bad sharp dev stagnated |
| 13:34.58 | Cloudchaser | yes it is too bad |
| 13:35.24 | Cloudchaser | especially since they are bringing out new products |
| 13:35.41 | Cloudchaser | although...the 5600 has some newer things |
| 13:35.55 | Cloudchaser | we just may or may not see them for the 5500/5000 |
| 13:36.03 | ljp_ | thats something diffrent, and its not even been released |
| 13:36.12 | ljp_ | I bet on not |
| 13:36.18 | Cloudchaser | i agree |
| 13:36.42 | sandman_ | ljp_: no need for ROM updates .. you can preload anything ;) |
| 13:36.57 | Cloudchaser | sure there is sandman_ |
| 13:36.57 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 13:37.07 | Cloudchaser | but what do you mean you can "preload" |
| 13:37.20 | ljp_ | can I preload wince? |
| 13:37.35 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: that's just the technical term for what I did to get zstyle running |
| 13:37.40 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 13:37.55 | ljp_ | trickiery! |
| 13:37.56 | sandman_ | Cloudchaser: basically it's patching the binary |
| 13:38.04 | Cloudchaser | well the problem with no new rom is...things like opera and hancom that need stuff updated |
| 13:38.08 | ljp_ | it's black magic! |
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| 13:38.53 | Cloudchaser | and also if sharp is pushing for enterprises, i would think they'd have tried to fix some things for 5500 to show thier committment |
| 13:39.01 | ljp_ | I think the problem with cardmon hanging the gui, is not the system calls, but the file access |
| 13:39.26 | Cloudchaser | so far there's nothing out there that would show an enterprise the zaurus is stable enough for corporate use |
| 13:40.10 | Cloudchaser | you get a vp who wants only to see it synch his address book..he sees a hassle and he says no way |
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| 13:54.28 | Cloudchaser | having trouble with connection andyq? |
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| 14:08.09 | smee|wrk | why does my mmc card get mounted read only sometimes? |
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| 14:20.15 | schurig | I just pushed a new version of patcher. If you put export USE_PATCHER=true into your Vars.local then it will be used ... nice if you're a package maintainer and/or have to patch package(s) |
| 14:20.49 | schurig | without USE_PATCHER it works as before .... it's still quite new! |
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| 14:51.34 | ciaolinux | morning |
| 14:51.44 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:51.57 | ciaolinux | chouimat: they repaired the bug in usb-storage |
| 14:52.02 | ciaolinux | chouimat: i mean on 2.5 |
| 14:52.20 | chouimat | ciaolinux: which kernel? |
| 14:52.48 | ciaolinux | chouimat: at the moment it is still a patch of 2.5.52... hopefully it will be in .53 |
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| 15:16.17 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 15:29.34 | prpplague | chouimat: lo |
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| 15:35.43 | Tha-Saint | hi all |
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| 15:51.14 | chouimat | hi tronical |
| 15:51.38 | tronical | hey |
| 15:53.02 | chouimat | tronical: good luck :) |
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| 15:53.52 | Piete | hey all |
| 15:55.02 | Piete | What do the PIM apps use as storage? |
| 15:55.28 | tronical | chouimat: is it that much of a gamble? :) |
| 15:55.52 | chouimat | tronical: not really but getting him up is harder |
| 15:56.42 | schurig | ibot seen kergoth |
| 15:56.42 | | kergoth <~kergoth@oemx.digi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 10h 58m 3s ago, saying: 'oGMo: we need a pingizauru in robes'. |
| 15:56.43 | chouimat | wooohooo the missing song for the newest malmsteen album |
| 15:56.52 | schurig | hmm, 10 hours should be enougt :-) |
| 15:56.55 | Piete | lol |
| 15:57.20 | Piete | anyone know about the PIM apps storage? |
| 15:57.27 | benmeyer | The DNS script was fixed after rc1 right for network setup? |
| 15:57.51 | Piete | benmeyer: they work great for me |
| 15:57.54 | Piete | :) |
| 15:58.05 | chouimat | benmeyer: btw the zip is working |
| 15:58.06 | schurig | But maybe Chris has a private life after all: |
| 15:58.08 | schurig | seen kergoth`movie |
| 15:58.14 | schurig | ibot seen kergoth`movie |
| 15:58.14 | | kergoth`movie <~kergoth@oemx.digi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 6h 1m 55s ago, saying: 'schurig: i know. feel free to fix it to manually extract/patch, i havent had time'. |
| 15:58.17 | benmeyer | oh hey after our talk yesterday about the settings tab I was thinking last night. Shutdown should not be in setting, or the Settings tab should be renamed to System so that sys info can also be in it |
| 15:58.36 | Piete | benmeyer: good idea |
| 15:58.38 | benmeyer | man is Kergoth skipping work to see LOTR? |
| 15:58.39 | Piete | *s |
| 15:58.51 | Piete | benmeyer: hey, I would too :P |
| 15:59.10 | benmeyer | I almost was going to see the midnight showing last night, but was just too tired |
| 15:59.13 | chouimat | yurk! the LOTR, the book was boring |
| 15:59.19 | benmeyer | getting out a 3am didn't see that much f7un |
| 15:59.23 | schurig | LOTR1 was something for sleepless people, they could sleep with that movie for 2 hours. Is LOTR2 better? |
| 15:59.25 | benmeyer | will probalby see it tomarrow night |
| 15:59.26 | Piete | chouimat: 'the' book? which one? TTT? |
| 15:59.40 | chouimat | Piete: the three |
| 15:59.41 | Piete | schurig: way better |
| 15:59.55 | benmeyer | Went throught the 7 hours of extra's on the DVD's over the weekend |
| 15:59.57 | benmeyer | fun fun |
| 16:00.04 | Piete | schurig: just the battle scenes are worth it :) |
| 16:00.27 | chouimat | Piete: I had more fun reading the Silmarillion than the 3 LOTR |
| 16:00.42 | Piete | Silmarillion? |
| 16:01.06 | Piete | is that something I ought to know about? |
| 16:01.38 | benmeyer | hmm I should probably rename my application from network setup to networksettings |
| 16:01.55 | Piete | benmeyer: yea, another good idea :) |
| 16:02.20 | schurig | chouimat: I found Silmarillon boring, but not the 3 books |
| 16:02.54 | Piete | Do you guys know if its possible to tell the PIM apps to use SD/CF instead of what they normally use? ram? flash? |
| 16:03.05 | schurig | Piete: Silmarillin contains the ancient stories from Tolkien about the creation of middle-earth, the gods, the elfs and so on |
| 16:03.24 | chouimat | Piete: way better IMHO |
| 16:03.40 | Piete | ahh, thank you :) |
| 16:03.45 | chouimat | schurig: I just finish reading for the 3 times the Eternal Champion |
| 16:03.52 | benmeyer | My wife has really gotten into the movie. Got her the book set for Christmas for her to read. Thing weighs a ton |
| 16:04.15 | Piete | I'm almost done with the TTT book, I really like it so far.. I dunno, I guess I like 'boring' books then :) |
| 16:04.24 | Piete | Opie Reader is awesome |
| 16:04.26 | schurig | benmeyer: my wife didn't finish even the first book. She only loves Jeffrey Archer. |
| 16:04.48 | benmeyer | eh, I didn't finish the first book |
| 16:04.53 | benmeyer | too many other pressing things |
| 16:04.55 | tronical | TTT? TrollTech Trilogie? :) |
| 16:05.30 | Piete | tronical: I'm not even going to tell you what it really stands for :P |
| 16:05.51 | tronical | ;-) |
| 16:06.19 | chouimat | tronical: TTT -> Tronical Technical Testament :) |
| 16:07.02 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:07.35 | Piete | ugh, the new zauruszone forums suck |
| 16:07.45 | Piete | I wish they just stayed the way they were |
| 16:07.50 | benmeyer | why? |
| 16:08.01 | benmeyer | they are the exact same system |
| 16:08.27 | benmeyer | what is so different |
| 16:08.39 | Piete | benmeyer: its only minor stuff that I'm sure will be sorted out in time, but still anoying for the time being |
| 16:09.36 | Piete | benmeyer: an invisible transistion would have been nicer, like transfer the forums and member info while the ZZ forum is active, and then when that is done, then tell people to switch over |
| 16:09.52 | Piete | benmeyer: I apologize for saying 'it sucks', that was a little harsh :) |
| 16:11.20 | benmeyer | well member info had to be lost due to the new global member info stuff |
| 16:11.33 | benmeyer | but in time it will be good |
| 16:11.53 | benmeyer | personally I hate web forums |
| 16:12.08 | benmeyer | so damm slow to go/get anywhere/anything |
| 16:12.27 | benmeyer | I prefure newsgroups without a doubt |
| 16:12.28 | Piete | benmeyer: yea, they can be annoying, but they are usefull for searching for other people with simmilar problems as you |
| 16:12.33 | chouimat | benmeyer: exactly my thought, but people thing that better than mailinglist |
| 16:12.49 | benmeyer | do they just think or believe? |
| 16:13.20 | benmeyer | you can have a web interface to a newsgroup and have the newsgroup also have a mail demon attached to it, but still it should be a newsgroup |
| 16:13.39 | chouimat | benmeyer: don't know I prefer mailing list for myself. webforum sucks in small screen and in console |
| 16:13.53 | benmeyer | any any sort of slow connection |
| 16:14.02 | benmeyer | heck anything less then a T1 |
| 16:14.14 | benmeyer | So much extra web junk has to be sent down |
| 16:14.35 | benmeyer | the interface can barly be customized, can't be taken offline etc etc |
| 16:14.46 | benmeyer | ok maybe offline, but not in the way that newsgroups can be |
| 16:15.24 | chouimat | benmeyer: or mailing list |
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| 16:16.32 | Piete | hey obtix |
| 16:16.46 | obtix | heh, het |
| 16:17.14 | Piete | chouimat: were are you headed? |
| 16:17.27 | chouimat | Piete: switzerland for 10 days |
| 16:18.10 | Piete | chouimat: nice :) I hope you enjoy it :) |
| 16:18.42 | chouimat | Piete: I hopes they don't make their condoms like their cheese :) |
| 16:18.56 | Piete | lol |
| 16:19.10 | tronical | hahaha |
| 16:20.08 | chouimat | when I get back I will open one and make some hole in it, and give it to a friend :) |
| 16:20.34 | Piete | can I use TinyX to connect to my main linux box? (currently I can get a GDM login from a on a remote box) |
| 16:20.45 | Piete | chouimat: that is cruel |
| 16:21.09 | chouimat | Piete: here a Swiss condom, a gift for you |
| 16:21.35 | Piete | erm, no thank you |
| 16:21.43 | chouimat | Piete: hehe |
| 16:22.09 | chouimat | anyone had warcraft 2? |
| 16:22.40 | chouimat | s/had/have |
| 16:23.16 | Piete | I have Freecraft :P |
| 16:23.21 | Piete | and WC3 |
| 16:23.44 | chouimat | ok, I will search for it on kazaa then |
| 16:23.59 | Piete | mine are all legal by the way :P |
| 16:24.20 | Piete | anyway, bedtime aproaches |
| 16:24.24 | Piete | g'nite |
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| 16:24.27 | chouimat | night |
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| 16:26.53 | AndyQ | hi |
| 16:28.52 | Dessimat0r | lo |
| 16:38.21 | schurig | recompiling Qt/E is fun ---- not |
| 16:38.29 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 16:39.58 | kergoth`zzz | hahaha, i think ive pushed my boss as far as i can |
| 16:41.18 | chouimat | kergoth`zzz: huh? |
| 16:41.28 | kergoth`zzz | chouimat: just add a 'talk' |
| 16:41.51 | chouimat | kergoth`zzz: you need to show him more respect ? |
| 16:41.55 | kergoth`zzz | chouimat: 1) being late, 2) not getting action items done on time, 3) call statistics being below department average |
| 16:42.02 | kergoth`zzz | chouimat: hah, he wouldnt have the balls to tell me to show him more respect |
| 16:42.46 | chouimat | kergoth`zzz: ok stop being late |
| 16:43.06 | kergoth`zzz | cause it is |
| 16:43.09 | kergoth`zzz | heh |
| 16:44.25 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:44.35 | chouimat | kergoth`zzz: just leave later then or don't take lunch time :P |
| 16:45.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:45.28 | kergoth | chouimat: he's moving me to 10-7 instead of 9-6 |
| 16:45.33 | kergoth | brb |
| 16:45.35 | kergoth | reboot windows box |
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| 16:45.39 | bipolar | kergoth: yo |
| 16:47.42 | schurig | kergoth: I modified Qt/E so that it compiles at all (had today lot's of problems, somewhere in scripts/source*/* where I didn't find a good solution. Then I took a Qt/E-Makefile before the snapshoot mess and updated that to current spec. The Makefile is now much simpler. Moved some things into packages/qpe and scripts, so that Qt/E compiles without opie. Should I commit this afterwards. |
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| 16:50.44 | hardwire | bah |
| 16:50.46 | hardwire | humbug |
| 16:51.06 | schurig | kergoth: also, the patcher now know about already applied patches and ignores them without error. Just use export USE_PATCHER=1 to try it out |
| 16:51.14 | schurig | hardwire: what's humbug? |
| 16:53.18 | schurig | Hmm, maybe I drunk to much burgund? (Althought I don't drink alcohol at all...) |
| 16:53.28 | bipolar | heh |
| 16:54.09 | beattie | I'm looking for some authoritative info on CF memory lifetime (number of write sysles and the like) anybody know of a good online source? |
| 16:54.40 | hardwire | 4 |
| 16:55.02 | hardwire | schurig: just up too early |
| 16:55.52 | schurig | If you want authoritative info, you have to get the spec file from the manufacturer. Visit their web-sites ... |
| 16:57.43 | beattie | schurig: I have not found any real info on any mfg's site, just glossy stuff |
| 16:58.08 | schurig | you must go to the section for developers. Where they have the pin layout of the chips. |
| 16:58.30 | beattie | for CF any way |
| 17:01.19 | beattie | schurig: you know of a specific mfg of CF that has thet info that does not require special access? |
| 17:04.35 | Dessimat0r | does anyone know Delphi here? I want to grab the name for a variable and use it in a procedure |
| 17:05.15 | Dessimat0r | Not the data in the variable, but the name |
| 17:05.18 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 17:07.48 | schurig | Look into the direction of RTTI. I only know sizeof() and typeof(), but RTTI (run-time type information) goes far beyond this. |
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| 17:11.59 | Dessimat0r | actually, this will be easier than i thought.. |
| 17:14.15 | schurig | HUUUAUH. I found out why qt/e did not compile in the first case. BRRRR. |
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| 17:19.20 | Onyx4 | morning |
| 17:19.44 | testuser | hello |
| 17:19.51 | Onyx4 | I added nmap last night to OZ |
| 17:21.21 | Onyx4 | schurig: so I guess gcc arm is next after binutil? :) |
| 17:21.43 | schurig | Onyx4: sometime. Currently I fight with Qt/E. Again ... |
| 17:21.43 | Onyx4 | here's a list im trying to get to before rc2 |
| 17:21.48 | Onyx4 | puzz-le |
| 17:21.50 | Onyx4 | froot |
| 17:21.51 | Onyx4 | pipeman |
| 17:21.53 | Onyx4 | nmap-fe |
| 17:21.54 | Onyx4 | socat |
| 17:21.56 | Onyx4 | zethereal |
| 17:21.58 | Onyx4 | zbedic |
| 17:21.59 | Onyx4 | smbmount |
| 17:22.00 | Onyx4 | zmeeting |
| 17:22.03 | Onyx4 | that's it :) |
| 17:22.40 | schurig | I only know zethereal, nmap-fe and smbmount. The others sound like games (except zmeeting, is this some NetMeeting like stuff?) |
| 17:22.52 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 17:22.56 | Onyx4 | like gnomemeeting actually |
| 17:23.14 | Onyx4 | you can talk on the zaurus and see the remote person |
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| 17:24.10 | schurig | I quit working. Was too frustating today ... |
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| 17:27.04 | kergoth | hm |
| 17:27.10 | kergoth | i wish i could quit working when its too frustrating |
| 17:27.11 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 17:29.16 | numatrix | Onyx4: is mooview in the buildroot? |
| 17:29.42 | Onyx4 | no |
| 17:30.10 | numatrix | Onyx4: any chance of adding that? A good image viewer would be nice. |
| 17:30.18 | Onyx4 | k |
| 17:30.22 | Onyx4 | showimg is not good enough? |
| 17:30.38 | kergoth | showimg is pretty lame |
| 17:30.39 | kergoth | imho |
| 17:30.39 | Dessimat0r | I thought that mooview didn't work on OZ for some reason lol |
| 17:30.41 | numatrix | Onyx4: no |
| 17:31.06 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: It didn't, but I think it's a compile issue that would be solved by adding it to the buildroot |
| 17:31.10 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 17:31.20 | numatrix | Or even better, qpPhoto -- that is one awesome program. |
| 17:31.50 | numatrix | Onyx4: qpPhoto is gpl... and is a GREAT image editor and viewer (mostly editor): http://zaurus.colognearts.de/qpphoto/ |
| 17:31.50 | Dessimat0r | does any imaging software have zoom in/zoom out support? |
| 17:32.08 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: qpPhoto does -- it's relatively slow for extremely large images, but it works. |
| 17:32.11 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: go install them and check, slacker |
| 17:32.12 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: :P |
| 17:32.17 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 17:32.21 | Dessimat0r | ah |
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| 17:34.26 | JasonNJ | greetings |
| 17:34.42 | Dessimat0r | lo |
| 17:42.43 | chouimat | hmm make image give: |
| 17:42.46 | chouimat | make: Entering an unknown directorymake: Leaving an unknown directorymake[1]: *** [/work/source/os/zaurus/openzaurus/build/ipktemp/pcmcia-cs-3.2.3-1/CONTROL/control] Error 2 |
| 17:42.46 | chouimat | make[1]: Leaving directory `/work/source/os/zaurus/openzaurus/packages/pcmcia-cs' |
| 17:42.46 | chouimat | make: *** [packages/pcmcia-cs] Error 2 |
| 17:43.06 | kergoth | chouimat: odd |
| 17:47.02 | killefiz | 120111121 |
| 17:47.18 | killefiz | sorry - wrong window |
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| 18:05.39 | Onyx4 | numatrix: is mooview still maintained? |
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| 18:06.43 | Onyx4 | so qphoto or mooview? :) |
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| 18:09.42 | Onyx4 | I liked mooview because of the fullscreen rotation |
| 18:09.52 | Onyx4 | it core dumped on OZ, but could be becaused it wasn't compiled with it |
| 18:09.55 | Onyx4 | I'll give it a whirl |
| 18:22.02 | Onyx4 | ok mooview compiled |
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| 18:24.08 | stocke2|work | hello |
| 18:24.22 | stocke2|work | anyone here today? |
| 18:24.46 | chouimat | no |
| 18:24.59 | stocke2|work | isn't it supposed to be possible to change the background in OZ? |
| 18:25.58 | Cloudchaser | yes it is |
| 18:26.03 | nobse | stocke2|work: settings -> launcher |
| 18:26.09 | stocke2|work | hhhmm |
| 18:26.15 | stocke2|work | hold on :) |
| 18:26.29 | kergoth | stocke2|work: and fyi, thats in the faq |
| 18:26.48 | Cloudchaser | hey kergoth...how was the movie?? |
| 18:26.56 | kergoth | very good |
| 18:27.00 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 18:27.05 | Cloudchaser | i can't wait to go see it |
| 18:27.18 | nobse | yeah... the two towers is great, I've seen it last night |
| 18:27.36 | stocke2|work | the only instructions I could find online said it was in the appearance app |
| 18:27.41 | stocke2|work | ciil |
| 18:27.45 | stocke2|work | cool even |
| 18:27.46 | kergoth | stocke2|work: eh? |
| 18:27.49 | kergoth | stocke2|work: openzaurus.org. |
| 18:27.49 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: do you know if the zaurus general list archives moved or are moving? |
| 18:27.51 | kergoth | stocke2|work: click on faq |
| 18:27.59 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: dunno .. |
| 18:28.06 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ask jason |
| 18:28.06 | stocke2|work | I have a ticket to see TwoTowers in 2 hours |
| 18:28.23 | Cloudchaser | i was getting to them from news.le.org |
| 18:28.41 | Cloudchaser | but not any more..says the list isn't there any more |
| 18:28.49 | Onyx4 | sourcetree.pl: output is /home/clambert/oz/buildroot/build/mooview-0.2 |
| 18:28.49 | Onyx4 | SourceTreeMethod->initialize: failed to find an appropriate module. |
| 18:28.49 | Onyx4 | SourceTreeMethod->go: no module specified. |
| 18:28.55 | Cloudchaser | but i'll ask jason when i see him |
| 18:28.59 | kergoth | Onyx4: sounds like the file is corrupt |
| 18:28.59 | Onyx4 | what I am missing, that it won't take the patch |
| 18:29.05 | Onyx4 | mmm the patch file itself? |
| 18:29.07 | kergoth | Onyx4: run 'file' on it |
| 18:29.13 | kergoth | Onyx4: thats how it determines what module to use |
| 18:29.20 | Onyx4 | mmm yeah it says apple quicktime movie |
| 18:29.25 | Onyx4 | heh |
| 18:29.26 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:29.29 | kergoth | therein lies the prob |
| 18:29.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:29.38 | Onyx4 | oh wait no, it's because of the name mooview |
| 18:29.54 | Onyx4 | or something in there |
| 18:29.56 | kergoth | eh? |
| 18:29.58 | kergoth | hm |
| 18:30.04 | Onyx4 | let me try again |
| 18:30.09 | kergoth | afaik file uses magic numbers to identify, not extension |
| 18:30.11 | kergoth | could be wrong tho |
| 18:30.45 | Onyx4 | yeah everytime I create the patch it gives it this weird filetype |
| 18:30.48 | Onyx4 | mmm |
| 18:31.39 | Onyx4 | heh if I change the filename in "mooview" for "moview" in the patchfile itself, then it says it's a patch |
| 18:31.41 | Onyx4 | weird |
| 18:31.58 | kergoth | Onyx4: you are using -urNd on the diff line right? |
| 18:32.02 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 18:32.05 | stocke2|work | nobse: thanks |
| 18:32.57 | Onyx4 | maybe I need to patch some other dumb file before that,just so that mooview isn't on the first line heh |
| 18:33.16 | Onyx4 | oh actually putting a blank line does the trick |
| 18:33.24 | Onyx4 | will patch still works with a blank line at beginning? |
| 18:33.32 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:33.33 | kergoth | afaik |
| 18:34.14 | stocke2|work | i know that apache has been ported to the zaurus, but has anyone ported mod_perl? |
| 18:39.25 | chouimat | kergoth: why I cant have pcmcia-cs? |
| 18:40.00 | kergoth | chouimat: ? |
| 18:40.44 | chouimat | kergoth: email? |
| 18:40.51 | kergoth | chouimat: k |
| 18:41.02 | chouimat | kergoth: address: larson@? |
| 18:41.16 | kergoth | chouimat: kergoth@handhelds.org is up again |
| 18:41.21 | kergoth | chouimat: forwards to kergoth@elinux.org |
| 18:42.31 | stocke2|work | has anyone actually gotten the zaurus to connect to the internet in its cradle using the instructions for win xp sharing in the faq? |
| 18:42.45 | kergoth | stocke2|work: yep, many times |
| 18:42.49 | chouimat | kergoth: send |
| 18:42.51 | kergoth | stocke2|work: not using xp anymore, but have |
| 18:42.52 | kergoth | chouimat: k |
| 18:43.10 | stocke2|work | I couldn't get it to work that way, actually was easier than all that when I did it tho |
| 18:44.37 | kergoth | stocke2|work: i didnt read any faq |
| 18:44.40 | kergoth | stocke2|work: i just did it |
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| 18:47.37 | stocke2|work | my hat's off to anyone who works on OZ installed the new release candidate and this system really rocks, blows the pants off of the sharp ROM |
| 18:47.49 | benmeyer | is there a way to validate ar files? |
| 18:48.01 | benmeyer | There doesn't seem to be a way to validate tar files |
| 18:48.02 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 18:48.11 | benmeyer | actually I guess md5 would be a way |
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| 18:50.32 | kergoth | stocke2|work: glad to hear it. thank the opie folks as well :) |
| 18:50.45 | stocke2|work | for sure, opie is sweet |
| 18:51.02 | benmeyer | kergoth: can you rename on the cvs server networksetup to networksettings |
| 18:51.30 | stocke2|work | we are trying to port the distro I work on to ARM, but I am not sure I want to leave OZ <G> |
| 18:51.42 | benmeyer | I have commited everything |
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| 18:55.28 | kergoth | stocke2|work: what distro do you work on? |
| 18:55.39 | stocke2|work | Gentoo Linux |
| 18:55.55 | ljp_work | I run llornkcor linux |
| 18:56.19 | kergoth | stocke2|work: ah, cool |
| 18:56.27 | sandman_ | ljp_work: that's a crappy distro :D |
| 18:56.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:56.54 | stocke2|work | kergoth: right now am webmaster/documentation/help a little with Perl |
| 18:57.36 | stocke2|work | see all later, have to go watch the two towers |
| 18:57.40 | stocke2|work | bbl |
| 18:57.41 | stocke2|work | cya |
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| 19:07.12 | sebd | hello |
| 19:07.53 | sebd | I have just bought and received my SL5500G |
| 19:08.14 | sebd | I have exported a vCalendar file from my previous PDA (psion revo) |
| 19:08.54 | kergoth | chouimat: did you make mrproper your pcmcia-cs after the version change? |
| 19:09.08 | sebd | I see that I can't get it back in the default calendar app |
| 19:09.37 | sebd | now my question is : what is OZ's calendar app ? |
| 19:10.05 | kergoth | sebd: what do you mean what is it? |
| 19:10.05 | sebd | does it support a standard calendar format as vCalendar |
| 19:10.21 | kergoth | sebd: afaik .. ask in #poie |
| 19:10.23 | kergoth | sebd: er #opie |
| 19:10.30 | sebd | kergoth: thanks |
| 19:10.40 | kergoth | sebd: np |
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| 19:25.26 | chouimat | kergoth: received my email? |
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| 19:26.40 | kergoth | chouimat: yes. you mrproper'd pcmcia-cs after the version change? |
| 19:27.29 | chouimat | yes |
| 19:28.03 | kergoth | chouimat: talk to Onyx4, he did the version upgrade |
| 19:28.07 | kergoth | brb |
| 19:35.11 | nostromo_ | no sd after sdmmc upgrade. |
| 19:35.18 | kergoth | nostromo_: yeah, i heard. i'll fix it today |
| 19:35.38 | nostromo_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:36.15 | kergoth | nostromo_: is sdmgr running/ |
| 19:36.29 | aman | kergoth hey |
| 19:36.54 | nostromo_ | after /etc/init.d/init yes. Nobody starts this script AFAIK |
| 19:36.55 | kergoth | aman: hey. just about done with the lcd stuff. i see a perty penguin |
| 19:37.02 | kergoth | nostromo_: eh? |
| 19:37.07 | kergoth | nostromo_: its /etc/init.d/sd first of all |
| 19:37.12 | kergoth | nostromo_: ohhh |
| 19:37.14 | kergoth | nostromo_: thats the problem |
| 19:37.15 | kergoth | nostromo_: hehe |
| 19:37.19 | kergoth | nostromo_: just rename it to sd ;) |
| 19:37.28 | nostromo_ | There is no sd, it is called init in this package. |
| 19:37.33 | kergoth | thats what i said |
| 19:37.46 | aman | kergoth niice. where do i get ipkg-make-index.py ? |
| 19:38.15 | kergoth | aman: no idea. ipkg-make-index is a shell script .. the one i use anyway |
| 19:38.21 | nostromo_ | OK |
| 19:38.42 | aman | agupta@hubris:~/buildroot/sources/familiar/dist/ipkg/src$ |
| 19:39.00 | aman | ok, i have a recent build up at ~agupta/unstable as usual |
| 19:39.05 | aman | for anyone interested |
| 19:40.25 | kergoth | aman: adding in console rotation code now, so its not sideways ;) |
| 19:40.25 | nostromo_ | I'm on opie-irc :) |
| 19:40.36 | kergoth | nostromo_: nice |
| 19:41.41 | kergoth | aman: once i finish the keyboard driver, you'll be able to test it out without serial cable |
| 19:42.09 | aman | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=144&s=7198386bca8030746d2c92f0f1aae23f |
| 19:42.17 | aman | lots of problems with networksetup wep still |
| 19:42.22 | aman | kergoth wow, nice. |
| 19:42.33 | aman | are you making progress with keyboard? |
| 19:42.44 | kergoth | aman: yeah, schurig's driver is good |
| 19:42.59 | kergoth | aman: networksetup wep is fixed in cvs, not in oz3.1rc1 |
| 19:44.48 | aman | kergoth k |
| 19:44.57 | aman | kergoth sweet, so we have an almost working keyboard too? |
| 19:46.29 | aman | hmm, we really need to spend some time figuring out and fixing syncing/usb issues |
| 19:46.42 | aman | If I reboot the Z or just pop in the wireless card after getting home from work (use cradle at the office), I can't connect to my wireless LAN. I type "route -n" at the konsole and get nothing. I have to manually add my route via "route add default dev wlan0". I would like to have this work automagically whenever I plug in the wireless card. |
| 19:46.47 | aman | is that fixed? the whole route thing? |
| 19:46.57 | kergoth | that shuldnt happen |
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| 19:47.12 | kergoth | err |
| 19:47.12 | aman | yea, shouldn't.. |
| 19:47.17 | aman | but it seems to. read two reports of it so far |
| 19:47.22 | kergoth | default route only gets added if gateway is set. |
| 19:47.28 | kergoth | normally you only get a route to your subnet |
| 19:47.34 | aman | yea, so i guess dhcp isn't running or some such |
| 19:47.43 | kergoth | they're using dhcp? |
| 19:47.48 | nostromo_ | I send the GW via dhcp |
| 19:48.00 | kergoth | nostromo_: works fine? |
| 19:48.03 | nostromo_ | and have no problems |
| 19:48.09 | kergoth | good |
| 19:48.19 | nostromo_ | sweet, better than my laptop, in fact. |
| 19:48.49 | nostromo_ | My laptop loses IP when it is on and the lease ends. |
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| 19:48.58 | kergoth | oh that reminds me, i need to update our hostap drivers to the latest |
| 19:49.01 | kergoth | and repackage and rename them |
| 19:49.22 | kergoth | hm opera 7 beta is pretty spiffy |
| 19:49.50 | aman | yea, new hostap is good |
| 19:51.23 | nostromo_ | have you tested on arm processors (aman) |
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| 19:52.15 | aman | what else is new |
| 19:52.30 | aman | heh, at the rate you're going we should be on .19 by next week |
| 19:52.38 | nostromo_ | aman: have you tested recent hostap on arm processors |
| 19:52.58 | aman | nope, don't have a hostap based card :\ |
| 19:53.03 | kergoth | aman: hehe. thats what i said a couple days ago, that it'd be 1-2 weeks |
| 19:53.04 | aman | s/based/compatible/ |
| 19:53.13 | kergoth | aman: holy shit, my time estimate is almost accurate! hell has frozen over! |
| 19:53.23 | aman | kergoth yep, i was saying a month at first |
| 19:53.26 | aman | thinking it anyway |
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| 19:53.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:53.38 | aman | but you're going amazingly fast |
| 19:53.49 | kergoth | my time estimates tend to be what it would be under optimal conditions |
| 19:53.52 | kergoth | but so much shit always comes up.. |
| 19:53.56 | aman | i guess fucking with all that kernel code paid off |
| 19:54.02 | kergoth | well yeah |
| 19:54.09 | kergoth | half the 2.5. shit i did is coming right over |
| 19:54.16 | kergoth | remember how i told you backporting would be easy? i was right |
| 19:54.21 | aman | yep |
| 19:54.22 | aman | true |
| 19:54.26 | kergoth | i'm already farther than i was then |
| 19:54.32 | kergoth | the mtd stuff is mounted readwrite |
| 19:54.35 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:54.36 | aman | sweet |
| 19:54.42 | aman | lcd works now? |
| 19:54.50 | kergoth | aman: sorta, i need to tweak it |
| 19:54.52 | kergoth | aman: its offcenter |
| 19:54.57 | aman | ah ok |
| 19:55.01 | aman | how much offcenter |
| 19:55.03 | kergoth | aman: and i want to do a bit of cleanup |
| 19:55.09 | kergoth | aman: I'm documenting as much as i figure out as i go btw |
| 19:55.23 | kergoth | aman: re the locomo and stuff |
| 19:55.23 | aman | sweet! |
| 19:55.31 | Dilb | hi |
| 19:55.34 | kergoth | hey dilb |
| 19:55.35 | kergoth | aman: oh |
| 19:55.37 | aman | can we get this actually pushed into official kernel sources? |
| 19:55.41 | aman | is rmk's stuff in 2.5? |
| 19:55.51 | aman | or will he continue to create patch for each release |
| 19:55.51 | kergoth | aman: simon, aka tronical, has given me changesets to build libxine and op2 |
| 19:55.59 | aman | oh? |
| 19:56.02 | aman | push them |
| 19:56.05 | kergoth | aman: but we need more optimization patches, its not as good as the one harlekin packages |
| 19:56.12 | kergoth | aman: i'll push xine, tronical said to hold off on op2 |
| 19:56.17 | aman | alright |
| 19:56.26 | kergoth | Dilb: are your improvements to libogg/tremor available? |
| 19:56.35 | kergoth | Dilb: harlekin mentioned you were deciding on licensing or something |
| 19:57.07 | Dilb | kergoth: better wait before compiling op2 from autobuild, cvs is not up to date with every changes I did |
| 19:57.25 | kergoth | Dilb: yeah, i know, thats why i asked if your patches were avail ;) |
| 19:57.26 | kergoth | Dilb: hehe |
| 19:57.39 | kergoth | Dilb: we'll push the basic makefiles so we can enable the build easily later |
| 19:58.18 | kergoth | aman: I'm going to talk to sharp to see if i can port the mmc driver from ipaq to the see, or try anyway |
| 19:58.30 | kergoth | aman: i'll have to utilize info from the service manual, and i'm under NDA on that |
| 19:58.34 | Dilb | kergoth: for libogg, I didn't change anything, for tremor, well, I have a custom version, but it is rather old now, and I've started to patch a newer one, but it's currently not available from tremor cvs, and I will have to discuss a lot with xiphmont I think :) |
| 19:58.37 | aman | eh? what does sharp have to.. oh. |
| 19:58.43 | kergoth | Dilb: ahh k |
| 19:59.05 | kergoth | aman: i'd think they'd be all for it, because it will just improve OZ, which improves the platform |
| 19:59.15 | kergoth | aman: i'll drop out an email and see |
| 19:59.23 | aman | yea |
| 19:59.27 | aman | but no SD support :\ |
| 19:59.36 | Dilb | kergoth: and for my changes in ffmpeg's idct, well, two choices, either I take the arm branch or I continue to patch it on my side |
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| 20:00.18 | kergoth | Dilb: ah |
| 20:00.21 | Dilb | kergoth: at least, as far as I know, harlekin is waiting for the next official release before updating the CVS with my other changes in yuv2rgb+scaling |
| 20:00.28 | kergoth | aman: tim said he'd build us a new binary module for 2.4.19-rmk4 |
| 20:00.42 | kergoth | aman: i doubt the kernel ABI will change in such a way to break that module anytime soon going forward |
| 20:00.49 | kergoth | Dilb: ahh k |
| 20:01.12 | aman | kergoth that'd be the best thing.. |
| 20:01.18 | aman | though sd code probably sucks pretty bad |
| 20:01.34 | Dilb | kergoth: for the licenses, well, I currently put every patch under GPL |
| 20:03.03 | kergoth | aman: yep, but nothing we can do about it |
| 20:03.29 | kergoth | aman: myself, i'm thinking about rewriting the sdmgr daemon .. doubt there'd be any legal implications to that |
| 20:03.51 | kergoth | chouimat: hm, i'd still buy it |
| 20:04.41 | Dilb | kergoth: erf, I've just received a mail from simonabout op2 problems :) |
| 20:05.12 | kergoth | Dilb: hehe. considering he's who gave me the patches to add it to our buildsystem, i'm not surprised ;) |
| 20:05.15 | Dilb | ~seen tronical |
| 20:05.16 | | tronical <~simon@fauia27.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 3h 46m 6s ago, saying: 'hahaha'. |
| 20:05.52 | Dilb | harlekin is gone 2H ago, simon 3H ago, I'm not lucky today |
| 20:07.11 | DaJoker | chouimat: it'd probably sell more.. kids would be all over that |
| 20:07.16 | chouimat | kergoth: how was the movie? |
| 20:07.34 | chouimat | DaJoker: kids are gross |
| 20:07.34 | kergoth | chouimat: very good |
| 20:07.38 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:07.48 | chouimat | kergoth: better than the first? |
| 20:08.12 | kergoth | chouimat: hmm hard to say |
| 20:08.35 | chouimat | kergoth: ok I will go see in swiss |
| 20:08.40 | kergoth | chouimat: cool |
| 20:11.48 | nostromo_ | kergoth: who's supposed to call the sd script? |
| 20:11.59 | kergoth | nostromo_: sdmgr calls /etc/sdcontrol on insert/eject |
| 20:12.02 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:12.07 | kergoth | er insert, not eject |
| 20:12.10 | nostromo_ | ok |
| 20:12.17 | kergoth | yo hardwire |
| 20:12.34 | hardwire | yo kergoth |
| 20:12.39 | kergoth | hardwire: want to take on getting LPP working in 2.4.19 for the Z? |
| 20:12.46 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:12.51 | nostromo_ | no /etc/sdcontrol in thepackage |
| 20:12.53 | hardwire | that sounds kinda fun |
| 20:12.57 | hardwire | been doing a lot of hacking lately |
| 20:13.01 | hardwire | you know what I would rather do? |
| 20:13.02 | kergoth | nostromo_: odd. ill fix it up |
| 20:13.13 | kergoth | hardwire: party? |
| 20:13.18 | hardwire | I would rather get the dynamic run time kernel reloader working |
| 20:13.26 | hardwire | so it would be easier to test stuff like lpp |
| 20:13.35 | kergoth | port blob |
| 20:13.40 | hardwire | no |
| 20:13.41 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:13.43 | kergoth | then you can reboot and select your kernel from the bootloader |
| 20:13.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:14.04 | kergoth | i can throw together a jtag hack for the cradle easy enough |
| 20:14.06 | hardwire | it would be cool to get nfs root over usb working |
| 20:14.09 | hardwire | err |
| 20:14.12 | kergoth | ah yea that too |
| 20:14.15 | hardwire | rather.. it would be cool to get etherboot working on the Z |
| 20:14.20 | kergoth | wonder if sharp would let me release the jtag info |
| 20:14.39 | hardwire | kergoth: why not develop a binary only angel ? |
| 20:14.43 | hardwire | do you have the angel code :) |
| 20:14.49 | kergoth | hardwire: bah, angel sucks anyway |
| 20:14.56 | hardwire | do you have the code? |
| 20:14.56 | kergoth | hardwire: id rather have bootldr, redboot, blob, etc |
| 20:15.01 | kergoth | nah |
| 20:15.04 | hardwire | hmm |
| 20:15.04 | kergoth | is it avail? |
| 20:15.06 | hardwire | that would be handy :) |
| 20:15.36 | kergoth | i'd just like a damn kernel -in- our root filesystem |
| 20:15.44 | kergoth | instead of this seperate partition crap |
| 20:15.47 | hardwire | or uml for the Z |
| 20:15.48 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:15.52 | kergoth | it wastes flash space thats unused in the kernel partition |
| 20:16.09 | chouimat | kergoth: wrote another bootloader |
| 20:16.23 | hardwire | kergoth.. write kernelfs :) |
| 20:16.30 | kergoth | chouimat: we've got a lot of options as far as bootloader. want to port one of them? |
| 20:16.56 | kergoth | hardwire: i want unionfs damnit! |
| 20:17.09 | chouimat | kergoth: maybe next year |
| 20:17.12 | chouimat | 2004 :) |
| 20:17.14 | kergoth | chouimat: hah |
| 20:17.19 | kergoth | chouimat: bk pull in your collie 2.4 tree |
| 20:17.35 | hardwire | http://freshmeat.net/projects/twokernelmonte/?topic_id=136 |
| 20:17.40 | hardwire | I wouldn't mind getting that working |
| 20:18.19 | kergoth | hardwire: heh, thats spiffy |
| 20:18.38 | hardwire | then you could develop kernel patching very quickly |
| 20:18.48 | kergoth | hardwire: heh, thats what kernel modules are for |
| 20:18.50 | kergoth | hardwire: ;) |
| 20:19.06 | hardwire | kernel module for ldd ? |
| 20:19.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:19.23 | kergoth | obviously not everything can be a module :) |
| 20:19.39 | kergoth | dood, did you hear in 2.5 the framebuffer vga console can be module? |
| 20:19.40 | hardwire | true dat |
| 20:19.46 | kergoth | when you load it,. its graphical fb console |
| 20:19.50 | kergoth | when you unload, you're back in text mode! |
| 20:19.52 | kergoth | fucking sweet |
| 20:19.56 | hardwire | graphical fb console? |
| 20:20.03 | hardwire | got snapxors? |
| 20:20.05 | kergoth | yeh, vga framebuffer console |
| 20:20.09 | kergoth | when you get the perty penguins |
| 20:20.11 | chouimat | kergoth: I want dual head console :) |
| 20:20.15 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe |
| 20:20.41 | chouimat | kergoth: X on one head and a root console on the other :) |
| 20:20.41 | kergoth | prob with framebuffer console is its slower than text, but you can run in 1280x1024 or whatever |
| 20:20.44 | kergoth | which is sweet |
| 20:20.47 | kergoth | chouimat: thatd be damn cool |
| 20:20.51 | kergoth | chouimat: i'd love that |
| 20:20.52 | nostromo_ | I want rfb/ppp/serial graphic console ;) |
| 20:21.28 | chouimat | kergoth: on a console that have a xlib emulator in it :) |
| 20:21.34 | chouimat | s/on/or |
| 20:21.44 | kergoth | hmm, this last UMEET meeting was in spanish |
| 20:22.14 | chouimat | umeet? |
| 20:22.23 | hardwire | you know what I really really really want? |
| 20:22.28 | hardwire | a rootless X server for linux |
| 20:22.33 | kergoth | chouimat: linux kenrel lectures on irc |
| 20:22.35 | hardwire | that runs as an X client |
| 20:22.48 | hardwire | with VidModeQuery and all sorts of other shuznit |
| 20:22.52 | kergoth | chouimat: its over in two days, but logs are avail |
| 20:22.53 | kergoth | chouimat: |
| 20:22.54 | kergoth | irc.uninet.edu #linux |
| 20:22.56 | hardwire | that would make me beyond happy |
| 20:24.42 | hardwire | I WILL ALWAYS WANT MORE! |
| 20:25.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:25.16 | kergoth | dood, my box at home |
| 20:25.18 | kergoth | only has 12gb total |
| 20:25.21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:25.34 | hardwire | hmm |
| 20:25.55 | kergoth | gotta buy an assload of old 5400rpm scsi drives to toss into a fileserver |
| 20:26.03 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:26.03 | kergoth | considering i have two 3 channel caching raid controllers, i shoudl use them |
| 20:26.10 | hardwire | HEH |
| 20:26.11 | kergoth | 6 channels of caching scsi goodness |
| 20:26.32 | hardwire | you should software raid the raid controllers together |
| 20:26.36 | hardwire | ;) |
| 20:26.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:26.55 | chouimat | kergoth: I have only 2 bays available in my case :( |
| 20:27.05 | kergoth | compgeeks.com has this big ass external enclosure |
| 20:27.06 | scanline | chouimat: that's what duct tape is for |
| 20:27.10 | kergoth | its jujst a full tower case right |
| 20:27.21 | kergoth | but you buy a internal->external scsi adapter that goes in a slot |
| 20:27.23 | kergoth | b00m |
| 20:27.26 | kergoth | instant raid enclosure |
| 20:27.31 | chouimat | 2 more if I count the internal one |
| 20:27.37 | kergoth | without paying $$$$ |
| 20:28.15 | aman | is fb centered yet ;) |
| 20:28.26 | hardwire | blah |
| 20:28.27 | kergoth | aman: bah. "are we there yet?" |
| 20:28.29 | kergoth | aman: no |
| 20:28.37 | kergoth | ~fishlap aman for being impatient |
| 20:28.45 | hardwire | I should flash a new OZ while waiting for my ride |
| 20:28.57 | aman | kergoth what about now :) |
| 20:29.04 | hardwire | whats the newest hippest craze image of the OZ world? |
| 20:29.15 | kergoth | aman: listen here, you be quiet or I'll turn this car right around and go home |
| 20:29.16 | aman | closedzaurus rom |
| 20:29.19 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:29.26 | kergoth | hardwire: we're trying to think of a new name |
| 20:29.30 | kergoth | hardwire: since it runs on more hardware now |
| 20:29.45 | kergoth | hardwire: 2.4.19-rmk4 boots, fs mounts readwrite, see spiffy penguin on lcd |
| 20:29.47 | hardwire | opensnarfus |
| 20:29.55 | kergoth | hardwire: jason came up with a great one |
| 20:29.58 | kergoth | hardwire: The Zorce |
| 20:30.04 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:30.10 | hardwire | sounds medicalk |
| 20:30.11 | scanline | new logo? |
| 20:30.16 | hardwire | no problem |
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| 20:30.21 | hardwire | just decide on what you want |
| 20:30.32 | aman | kergoth spiffy penguin? no more pingus? |
| 20:30.41 | kergoth | aman: not in 2.4.19, logoscreen was a hack from lineo |
| 20:30.50 | kergoth | aman: we'll replace the penguin with pingi later, or drop in LPP |
| 20:30.56 | scanline | yay LPP |
| 20:30.59 | hardwire | pingi? |
| 20:31.11 | kergoth | hardwire: i'm a lazy bastard who doesnt feel like typing the whole thing |
| 20:31.20 | kergoth | hardwire: yea |
| 20:31.28 | aman | i never liked pingus.. |
| 20:31.31 | aman | tux sounds good |
| 20:31.38 | hardwire | kergoth.. if I make a 3d pingi |
| 20:31.42 | aman | no pingi!' |
| 20:31.44 | hardwire | then you get to learn blender and make a gotchi |
| 20:31.49 | kergoth | hardwire: hehe |
| 20:31.50 | hardwire | aman no pingi? |
| 20:31.55 | hardwire | he is the freaking mascott! |
| 20:31.57 | aman | tux > pingi |
| 20:32.05 | hardwire | aman: bite your tounge |
| 20:32.09 | kergoth | hardwire: ill do the AI code, you get me the sprites or the object |
| 20:32.19 | kergoth | ~lart aman |
| 20:32.27 | kergoth | aman: THOU HAST DEFILED PINGI |
| 20:32.30 | kergoth | aman: THOU MUST DIE |
| 20:32.37 | aman | heh |
| 20:33.10 | hardwire | god the 3d pingi was fat |
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| 20:33.49 | aman | hmm gotta go |
| 20:33.59 | kergoth | later aman |
| 20:34.04 | hardwire | scanline: are you adding stuff ATM to the PicoGUI screenshots on oz.org? |
| 20:34.15 | hardwire | suddenly there were 2 more |
| 20:34.16 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:34.29 | kergoth | we should just link to picogui's shots page instead of maintaining our own |
| 20:34.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:34.56 | aman | kergoth get keyboard working so others and me can work on kernel too |
| 20:35.01 | kergoth | aman: yea |
| 20:35.07 | kergoth | aman: having testers at least would be great |
| 20:35.10 | aman | indeed |
| 20:37.14 | ||ugh | Dumb Question #324234: With OZ-3.1-rc1, what magic is needed to get it to see the apps on the SD card? Reinstalling (as a vane attempt) did not seem to help much. |
| 20:37.55 | benmeyer | ||ugh: there is no way to do it |
| 20:38.15 | nostromo | /etc/init.d/init start (should start the sdmgr and load the module) |
| 20:38.17 | ibz[home] | ipkg-link mount /mnt/card ? |
| 20:38.22 | ||ugh | Thats new. Is there a reason? |
| 20:38.31 | nostromo | later mount /mnt/card |
| 20:38.40 | kergoth | ||ugh: installing packages with aqpkg will do it for you |
| 20:38.51 | nostromo | With the latest upgrade of sdmmc, it gets broken and you no longer see the SD card. |
| 20:38.54 | kergoth | ||ugh: if you install w/ ipkg from cmdline they dont get symlinked |
| 20:38.59 | kergoth | nostromo: yeah, good cal |
| 20:38.59 | ibz | hi kergoth |
| 20:39.00 | kergoth | l |
| 20:39.01 | kergoth | forgot |
| 20:39.04 | kergoth | hey ibz |
| 20:39.37 | nostromo | ||ugh: do you see the card, at least? |
| 20:40.05 | ||ugh | So I have to reinstall ALL the apps on my SD? Is this going to be true for every OZ update or just the latest. Should I rm the /sd/opt tree for the sdmmc manager? |
| 20:40.10 | kergoth | ||ugh: eh? |
| 20:40.12 | ||ugh | nostromo, I see the card for documents only. |
| 20:40.13 | kergoth | ||ugh: okay listen |
| 20:40.21 | kergoth | ||ugh: when you reflash an initrd.bin, the symlinks are gone |
| 20:40.24 | kergoth | ||ugh: this is always true |
| 20:40.29 | kergoth | ||ugh: ipkg-link mount /mnt/card will relink em |
| 20:40.36 | kergoth | ||ugh: this isnt a new phenomenon |
| 20:40.57 | ||ugh | OH MY! I had presumed you had moved to paths and not stuck with the sym links lunacy. Uck. |
| 20:41.35 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:41.42 | kergoth | its impossible to handle installs to dests with pure paths |
| 20:41.48 | ||ugh | Ah! Good, I go run the mystry fixit command. Thanks. Maybe this should be an option in the Medium mount GUI. |
| 20:41.51 | kergoth | there are files that have no path env vars, like application data |
| 20:41.59 | kergoth | binaries, configuration files, images, sounds |
| 20:42.12 | kergoth | symlink method is the only solution that works for all circumstances, unfortunately |
| 20:42.19 | kergoth | now if linux gets unionfs, the problem solves itself |
| 20:46.29 | benmeyer | That is what I want |
| 20:46.31 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 20:46.40 | kergoth | me too |
| 20:46.44 | benmeyer | I heard that unionfs actually was working in readonly mode? |
| 20:46.55 | kergoth | i havent seen a patch |
| 20:47.00 | kergoth | i asked al viro about it, said it was on hold |
| 20:47.05 | kergoth | 2.5 timeline shows it as being post-2. |
| 20:47.08 | kergoth | post-2.6 |
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| 21:21.52 | benmeyer | what database is being used for the pim? |
| 21:22.11 | benmeyer | mysql? |
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| 21:23.20 | chouimat | benmeyer: oracle :) |
| 21:23.32 | benmeyer | that is what I thought ;) |
| 21:24.12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:24.31 | benmeyer | no really ~how much room does it take up? |
| 21:24.48 | kergoth | benmeyer: db? what pim? |
| 21:24.52 | kergoth | benmeyer: we're using xml on the z atm.. |
| 21:25.03 | benmeyer | but in the future concidering... |
| 21:25.06 | kergoth | sqlite |
| 21:25.08 | kergoth | afaik |
| 21:25.37 | benmeyer | ok |
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| 21:39.43 | TheMasterMind1 | yo |
| 21:41.11 | kergoth | hey |
| 21:41.51 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 21:41.52 | TheMasterMind1 | how goes |
| 21:42.31 | kergoth | not bad, doin waht i get paid to do so i wont get canned |
| 21:42.45 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 21:54.06 | jmhodges | lol |
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| 22:02.33 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 22:04.06 | kergoth | hey Dessimat0r |
| 22:17.59 | ciaolinux | kergoth:any news about pcmcia-cs? |
| 22:18.25 | kergoth | ciaolinux: what about it? |
| 22:18.48 | ciaolinux | kergoth: the bug that Onyx4 was going after |
| 22:19.06 | kergoth | ciaolinux: not really, trying to isolate .. it appears to affect only certain sizes/brands of cards, other than that, dunno |
| 22:19.11 | kergoth | ciaolinux: I've been focusing on our new kernel |
| 22:19.24 | ciaolinux | kergoth: how is that going? |
| 22:19.55 | kergoth | ciaolinux: well. readwrite flash access works, it boots up, and i see a penguin on the LCD :) |
| 22:20.12 | kergoth | ciaolinux: working on tweaking the lcd/fb driver, finishing the keyboard driver, and will go from there |
| 22:20.13 | ciaolinux | :-) |
| 22:20.19 | kergoth | ciaolinux: once we have fb and keyboard, daring users can start testing |
| 22:20.36 | ciaolinux | kergoth: ok... :-) let me know... i am very brave! :-) |
| 22:21.08 | Dessimat0r | % of new kernel complete? ;) |
| 22:22.16 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: I noticed my transfer speed go up from 190k/s to 330k/s with Onyx4's pcmia driver, what did he change in it? |
| 22:22.46 | Dessimat0r | transfer speed from Z to CF |
| 22:22.50 | Dessimat0r | over SSH ;) |
| 22:22.57 | Dessimat0r | well, pc to Z to CF |
| 22:22.58 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:24.50 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: nothing |
| 22:24.56 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: he just upgraded it to the newest version they released |
| 22:25.02 | Dessimat0r | ah |
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| 23:22.03 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:22.04 | kergoth | I'd seriously recommend against gcc 3.2 for _anything_ - the nature |
| 23:22.04 | kergoth | of the bug found means that any compilation that uses -Os _will_ be |
| 23:22.04 | kergoth | bad if any function uses more than 4 arguments, or a variable number |
| 23:22.04 | kergoth | of arguments (which includes things like printf). |
| 23:22.06 | kergoth | ^-ack |
| 23:22.30 | cbok | ahahahaha |
| 23:24.38 | cbok | no kidding |
| 23:25.05 | kergoth | wonder if the bug is in 3.2.1 + the numerous debian unstable patches |
| 23:25.13 | kergoth | regardless we dont want -Os anyway, we want -O2 and optimizations |
| 23:25.23 | kergoth | -Os doesnt gain you much size anyway |
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| 23:34.05 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:34.25 | kergoth | the i810 chip's fb driver supports what appears to be console rotation |
| 23:34.31 | kergoth | 90 degree, 180, and 270 |
| 23:34.46 | kergoth | spiffy |
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| 23:37.27 | nobse | buildroot is b0rked |
| 23:37.28 | nobse | touch /home/tretkowski/zaurus/buildroot/build/ipktemp/ipkg-20021219-1/CONTROL/control |
| 23:37.31 | nobse | touch: creating `/home/tretkowski/zaurus/buildroot/build/ipktemp/ipkg-20021219-1/CONTROL/control': No such file or directory |
| 23:37.34 | nobse | make[2]: *** [/home/tretkowski/zaurus/buildroot/build/ipktemp/ipkg-20021219-1/CONTROL/control] Error 1 |
| 23:38.17 | kergoth | nobse: no, it isnt |
| 23:38.28 | kergoth | nobse: make SUBDIRS="packages/ipkg-x86 packages/ipkg" mrproper; make; |
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| 23:39.05 | nobse | kergoth: I run mrproper before |
| 23:39.14 | kergoth | nobse: do it again. |
| 23:39.16 | nobse | directory ipkg-20021218-1 is there |
| 23:39.20 | kergoth | nobse: i know. |
| 23:39.30 | kergoth | nobse: do it again, with the exact command i just gave you |
| 23:39.30 | nobse | ok, its running again |
| 23:39.46 | kergoth | you did the exact command? both ipkg-x86 and ipkg, right? |
| 23:39.59 | nobse | yes |
| 23:40.07 | nobse | cut&paste |
| 23:41.14 | nobse | kergoth: ok, compiled fine |
| 23:41.30 | nobse | s/compiled/touched/ |
| 23:41.34 | nobse | heh |
| 23:42.16 | nobse | kergoth: why does this happen? is it because i ran "make mrproper" before "bk pull"? |
| 23:45.22 | nostromo | kergoth: I'm missing context. are you against gcc3.2 for arm, or in general? |
| 23:45.28 | kergoth | nostromo: eh? |
| 23:45.38 | kergoth | nostromo: firrst, i was pasting. |
| 23:45.53 | kergoth | nostromo: second, its a gcc3.2 bug |
| 23:46.06 | kergoth | nostromo: dunno if its arm specific or not |
| 23:46.33 | nostromo | I think the whole Mandrake 9.0 distribution is built using gcc3.2, and it's fast and stable. |
| 23:46.44 | kergoth | nostromo: i know. |
| 23:47.16 | nostromo | So, either they have a patch for gcc3.2, or heavy changed Makefiles, or it's arm-specific |
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| 23:47.32 | kergoth | of course they have patches for gcc3.2, the quesetion is whether this bug is one of htem :) |
| 23:47.43 | nostromo | :-) |
| 23:54.23 | mjakl | Hi there. Is there a program like blind for Opie (to turn off the screen)? I couldn't find one and blind doesn't work. |