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| 00:00.43 | mjakl | Hm, another problem - maybe more interesting: if an application chrashes OZ 3.1 stands on the login screen, but the keyboard isnt |
| 00:01.01 | mjakl | *sorry* isn't working. |
| 00:01.43 | mjakl | is there a solution? Or just HOME+b (didn't try it by now, just read it in the FAQ) |
| 00:07.11 | ljp_ | rum sauce |
| 00:07.25 | chouimat | ljp_: sorry don't have this one :) |
| 00:07.45 | ciaolinux | chouimat: red wine then |
| 00:08.14 | chouimat | ciaolinux: don't know |
| 00:08.25 | ciaolinux | chouimat: more french |
| 00:08.51 | ljp_ | there were french pirates |
| 00:09.05 | ciaolinux | also french cooks |
| 00:10.50 | ljp_ | french whores |
| 00:11.02 | ciaolinux | french canadian |
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| 00:11.51 | ljp_ | and I suppose theres even french technology |
| 00:12.23 | ciaolinux | unbelieavable! |
| 00:14.00 | chouimat | ljp_: there is even french music |
| 00:14.06 | chouimat | Celine Dion |
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| 00:50.31 | phantasm | It just me, or is the rc1 DL lagged to hell? |
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| 00:56.02 | ljp_ | just you |
| 00:56.11 | rabbit_uk | hello |
| 00:56.13 | ljp_ | use a mirror |
| 00:56.33 | ljp_ | whats up in oz? |
| 00:57.13 | phantasm | ljp_: I tried he other mirrors and it appears the 3.1rc1 directory dont exist on them |
| 01:02.31 | rabbit_uk | which library are cout/cin/cerr found in? I can't find libstdc++ on the Z. |
| 01:04.10 | ljp_ | you using qt? or straight c++? |
| 01:05.00 | rabbit_uk | I just want to use straight C++. |
| 01:05.37 | rabbit_uk | i.e. "hello world" type program. |
| 01:06.39 | ljp_ | you can use printf |
| 01:07.05 | ljp_ | dont think libc++ is on oz |
| 01:07.32 | rabbit_uk | is there iostream stuff? |
| 01:08.00 | ljp_ | in qt |
| 01:09.31 | rabbit_uk | i'm new to qt, can I just use the functions or do I need to inherit a qt class and do the program that way? |
| 01:37.50 | kergoth`bbl | rabbit_uk: doc.trolltech.com .. read up |
| 01:40.31 | DaWorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.56 | kergoth`bbl | DaWorm: wrong window? |
| 01:42.06 | DaWorm | no i got it from slashdot |
| 01:42.07 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 01:42.12 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:42.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:42.16 | DaWorm | it was supposed to be Lineo |
| 01:42.16 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 01:42.28 | kergoth | yea yea |
| 01:42.29 | DaWorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.27 | DaWorm | ahhh i cant concentrate at work when someone is playing pat metheny |
| 01:44.28 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 01:48.46 | phantasm | Hrm |
| 01:48.48 | phantasm | usbd0 on the z don't wanna come up auto with rc1 |
| 01:48.48 | kergoth | phantasm: dont enable 'auto' in the config |
| 01:48.48 | phantasm | I havn't |
| 01:48.50 | kergoth | other than that it should work flawlessly |
| 01:48.56 | kergoth | what do you have to do? run ifup manually? |
| 01:49.06 | phantasm | trying that now |
| 01:49.07 | kergoth | usb hasnt changed from 3.0 to 3.1rc1, you can check the bk history |
| 01:49.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:49.08 | phantasm | just flashed it |
| 01:49.49 | phantasm | Yeah |
| 01:49.57 | phantasm | Its prolly some stupid mistake on my end |
| 01:50.09 | kergoth | weird |
| 01:52.07 | phantasm | I had to bring it up manually with ifconfig |
| 01:52.24 | kergoth | eh? |
| 01:52.30 | kergoth | 'ifup usbd0' is the correct command |
| 01:52.31 | kergoth | not ifconfig |
| 01:52.37 | phantasm | oops :x |
| 01:52.43 | kergoth | try ifup |
| 01:52.48 | kergoth | see if that works or fails |
| 01:52.49 | phantasm | ifconfig usbd0 192.168.129.201 brought it up |
| 01:52.52 | kergoth | thatll help tell me where the problem lies |
| 01:52.56 | phantasm | bring it down first? |
| 01:53.21 | MSpin | woohoo, the GraphicsMaster booted opie |
| 01:53.33 | DaWorm | graphics master? |
| 01:53.54 | phantasm | Ok |
| 01:54.03 | phantasm | ifup usbd0 |
| 01:54.07 | phantasm | and it sits there |
| 01:54.12 | kergoth | ? |
| 01:54.29 | phantasm | the cursor <cr>'s down |
| 01:54.32 | phantasm | and sits |
| 01:55.24 | cbok | tell me a story santa |
| 01:55.32 | phantasm | shit locked up hard |
| 01:55.41 | DaWorm | haha |
| 01:55.41 | kergoth | where there was this guy, who shouldnt have sat on my lap, but he did |
| 01:55.43 | kergoth | and then |
| 01:55.47 | kergoth | santa slit his throat |
| 01:55.55 | kergoth | and he never did that anymore |
| 01:56.14 | phantasm | Ok |
| 01:56.17 | phantasm | a reboot did it for me |
| 01:56.35 | kergoth | phantasm: weird |
| 01:56.48 | phantasm | prolly just a fluke |
| 01:56.57 | kergoth | yea probably |
| 01:56.59 | phantasm | But I am sure before I am done it will be damaged somehow :x |
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| 01:58.38 | cbok | kg - are you pissy again? :) |
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| 01:58.55 | kergoth | cbok: nah not at all |
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| 02:00.04 | endr | anyone have gotten a prism2 card working with OZ3.1rc1? I can see the card with "cardctl status" but ifconfig wlan0 shows no MAC (00:00:...). Was working fine with OZ3.0... |
| 02:01.41 | MSpin | endr: works fine here |
| 02:01.45 | MSpin | I got a linksys card |
| 02:02.11 | phantasm | endr: havn't tried yet |
| 02:02.13 | phantasm | gonna pop in my card in a second |
| 02:02.47 | endr | ok, thanks...must be me... |
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| 02:05.44 | phantasm | UGH |
| 02:07.08 | phantasm | lol |
| 02:10.11 | phantasm | SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device. |
| 02:10.16 | phantasm | wlan0 shows in ifconfig |
| 02:12.29 | phantasm | ejecting wireless cf seems to freeze it |
| 02:12.48 | phantasm | nope |
| 02:18.21 | endr | phantasm: similar to my symptoms...modprobe -are prism2 and then re-inserted it, didn't seem to make a difference |
| 02:20.24 | kergoth | odd |
| 02:20.36 | kergoth | considering we didnt change anything in wireless or pcmcia from 3.0 to 3.1rc1 |
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| 02:26.04 | phantasm | wireless icon missing from the launcher and launcher options |
| 02:28.43 | phantasm | ep0_read_data: failed: UDCWC: 0 |
| 02:28.46 | phantasm | in dmesg |
| 02:37.01 | chouimat | kergoth: did you see the Opera for 8 bits computer screenshots? |
| 02:39.53 | pheph | Hey, should 3.1rc1 take substantially longer than 3.0? |
| 02:40.02 | pheph | My Z has been at it for about 10 minutes |
| 02:40.10 | pheph | (flashing that is) |
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| 02:54.30 | kergoth | chouimat: yea |
| 02:54.42 | kergoth | phantasm: wireless settings applet isnt in the rom by default atm |
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| 02:55.02 | phantasm | I just noticed that |
| 02:55.05 | kergoth | hey prpplague |
| 02:55.25 | prpplague | kergoth: evening |
| 02:55.32 | chouimat | kergoth: brb need to do my luggage |
| 02:55.34 | kergoth | whats goin on? |
| 02:55.45 | prpplague | nada, just got back from working out |
| 02:56.17 | prpplague | still cleaning my disaster i call my computer room |
| 02:56.18 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 02:56.23 | pheph | how do i find out what version of OZ i'm running? |
| 02:56.24 | kergoth | i been slackin, i havent worked out in 2 years |
| 02:56.30 | kergoth | phantasm: cat /etc/oz_version, or check sysinfo |
| 02:56.43 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm tired of doing cleaning |
| 02:56.52 | phantasm | heh you mean pheph :x |
| 02:57.09 | kergoth | er yea |
| 02:57.12 | prpplague | kergoth: ya well, i figured it was time to work out after the last time i went to the nudie bar the stripper call me hear favorite teddy bear |
| 02:57.15 | kergoth | damn tab completion |
| 02:57.21 | kergoth | prpplague: hah |
| 02:58.15 | chouimat | or when yopu can't see your wang anymore |
| 02:58.22 | kergoth | hah, or that |
| 02:58.27 | prpplague | kergoth: trying to get an order of parts from jameco for tommorrow |
| 02:58.38 | kergoth | I need to get some cash and buy more training equipment for my garage training facility |
| 02:59.07 | kergoth | i need a olympic bar and weight set, and a nice weightbench with lat pulldown and leg deal |
| 02:59.15 | prpplague | electronics or muscle training? |
| 02:59.22 | kergoth | muscle |
| 02:59.27 | kergoth | though i ned to learn electronicsmore too :) |
| 02:59.35 | kergoth | s/electronicsmore/eletronics more/ |
| 03:00.06 | chouimat | kergoth: do what I do, use the litter bag |
| 03:00.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:00.21 | kergoth | i have a heavy bag |
| 03:00.28 | kergoth | but i need to buy a cordless drill and hang the damn thing up |
| 03:00.30 | chouimat | kergoth: 16lbs |
| 03:00.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:01.09 | phantasm | HA, found a real bug this time.. but imma check the site to see if its been mentioned first :x |
| 03:01.20 | chouimat | kergoth: doing the chair for 30 minutes with that bag on your leg :) |
| 03:01.47 | kergoth | chouimat: hah |
| 03:01.53 | kergoth | phantasm: whats the bug? |
| 03:02.07 | phantasm | wont remember my personal info |
| 03:02.24 | kergoth | phantasm: ah, report to opie's bts, not oz's |
| 03:02.28 | kergoth | phantasm: http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 03:02.44 | phantasm | yeah |
| 03:05.56 | chouimat | or just his palm m125 |
| 03:06.24 | nitup | go somewhere without the Z??? you are joking right |
| 03:06.59 | nitup | chouimat: does the m125 use AAA batteries? |
| 03:07.05 | prpplague | nitup: lol, i got one of mine taken at customs in trinadad |
| 03:07.52 | chouimat | nitup: yup use AAA |
| 03:07.52 | kergoth | prpplague: heh, guy is doing a lecture on linux on handhelds on UMEET, mentioned opie :) |
| 03:08.02 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 03:08.43 | prpplague | kergoth: nice, i was thinking about submitting a paper for OLS on thin client technology, but i chickened out |
| 03:08.50 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:08.56 | chouimat | prpplague: your z? |
| 03:09.08 | prpplague | chouimat: what? |
| 03:09.21 | chouimat | <prpplague> nitup: lol, i got one of mine taken at customs in trinadad |
| 03:10.07 | prpplague | chouimat: ya took my z, electric shaver and all my dvd's |
| 03:10.22 | chouimat | prpplague: did you get them back? |
| 03:10.45 | prpplague | chouimat: the customs agent said he was "gonna inspect them later" and pushed my on through |
| 03:10.51 | prpplague | chouimat: hell no |
| 03:11.03 | prpplague | s/my/me |
| 03:11.43 | chouimat | prpplague: Ok since I going into a civilized country ... |
| 03:12.45 | kergoth | 20:00 <@pragma> So, Choose GPE if you are interested in the future, choose OPIE |
| 03:12.48 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.50 | kergoth | ^^-wtf? from the lecture |
| 03:12.50 | prpplague | chouimat: better yet, one of out guys lost his laptop comming back from canada, the agents destroyed his laptop because they thought it was fake since it didn't have winblows on it |
| 03:13.04 | prpplague | kergoth: ha |
| 03:13.11 | prpplague | kergoth: thats funny |
| 03:13.12 | chouimat | prpplague: ouch |
| 03:13.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:13.15 | kergoth | GPE is the future! |
| 03:13.23 | Dilb_op2 | kergoth: I've read that in a mail from one of the mailing lists on hh |
| 03:13.38 | chouimat | kergoth: #channel? |
| 03:13.45 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, ya well, i personally think picogui is the future, lol |
| 03:13.58 | kergoth | prpplague: if it ever gets apps... hehe |
| 03:14.06 | chouimat | use what you need to do the fucking job |
| 03:14.08 | kergoth | chouimat: lecture is over. its the UMEET lectures |
| 03:14.18 | prpplague | chouimat: here here |
| 03:14.30 | kergoth | irc.uninet.edu #linux |
| 03:14.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:14.36 | kergoth | chouimat: yep |
| 03:15.19 | chouimat | hmmm rootless xserver for linuxfb (with dual support), |
| 03:15.27 | chouimat | Ok I stop dreaming in color |
| 03:18.17 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a white russian |
| 03:21.46 | prpplague | Sugar: guinness |
| 03:21.56 | prpplague | Sugar: pour me a guinness |
| 03:22.09 | prpplague | Sugar: make me a guinness |
| 03:22.17 | prpplague | Sugar: thanks |
| 03:22.19 | Sugar | Prpplague: You're welcome! |
| 03:22.33 | kergoth | you know whats sad |
| 03:22.36 | kergoth | i never drink any milk at all |
| 03:22.37 | prpplague | Sugar: don't expect a tip |
| 03:22.43 | kergoth | so in order to make sure it doesnt go bad |
| 03:22.47 | kergoth | i drink more white russians |
| 03:22.55 | prpplague | lol |
| 03:23.52 | chouimat|baggage | Sugar make me a guinness |
| 03:24.10 | chouimat|baggage | speaking of guinness |
| 03:24.43 | ljp_ | Sugar: make me king of the earth |
| 03:24.59 | ljp_ | hmm bitch |
| 03:26.12 | prpplague | kergoth: crap, i'm gonna have to go to radio shit for parts tomorrow, i hate that place |
| 03:26.26 | kergoth | prpplague: yea me too |
| 03:27.21 | prpplague | kergoth: at lest they don't ask my name and phone number any more, i always told them my name of "Cash, Cold" |
| 03:27.28 | ljp_ | I like it.. people who dont know what a submini is trying to help you find parts.. hehehe |
| 03:29.20 | prpplague | ljp_: ya well if the bastard tries to sell me a cell phone, i'm gonna go psycho |
| 03:30.07 | kergoth | prpplague: do i want to know? |
| 03:30.11 | prpplague | how about i pretend i have tarets syndrome! i bet they will leave me alone |
| 03:30.39 | ljp_ | hehe |
| 03:30.44 | ljp_ | thats old |
| 03:31.26 | chouimat|baggage | prpplague: when they give don't know that a SD card and a MMC card his basicly the same on a palm |
| 03:31.27 | prpplague | ya but it would fun....."hello sir could you help me find ........limp dick radio shack bastard........a pcb perf board?" |
| 03:31.29 | kergoth | 21:39 < kergoth> pragma: I'm curious as to why you say GPE is the future, and |
| 03:31.32 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.33 | ljp_ | if they try to seel you a cell phone, pull out a zaurus and say, 'I already have one' |
| 03:31.35 | kergoth | 21:42 <@pragma> kergoth: As I agree with a partner, GPE required a harder job |
| 03:31.38 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.41 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.44 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.47 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.49 | kergoth | 21:43 < kergoth> pragma: the fact that X is hard to use now doesnt imply that |
| 03:31.53 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.55 | kergoth | 21:43 < kergoth> pragma: that is flawed logic. |
| 03:31.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:32.34 | ljp_ | x is overkill |
| 03:33.04 | ljp_ | 'hey! I'm running X n my watch! wanna see?' |
| 03:33.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:33.43 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:33.47 | prpplague | i agree with ljp x is overkill for an embedded device, but i don't agree that qt/e or opie is the solution either |
| 03:33.50 | chouimat|baggage | kergoth: since when we need network transparency on a embedded system? |
| 03:33.56 | Dilb_op2 | ljp_: hey, you can see your watch on your desktop by exporting the display, how cool :o) |
| 03:34.20 | prpplague | there needs to be a fundamental change in the way we think about mobile gui |
| 03:34.30 | kergoth | chouimat|baggage: people that need it that bad are probably companies who need it for their solutions |
| 03:34.41 | prpplague | both in the way that ppl interface with it and the way we as programmers create it |
| 03:34.44 | kergoth | chouimat|baggage: but it isnt needed for the normal end user pda market |
| 03:35.25 | ljp_ | yes! I want 'computer!' and have it say 'working..' |
| 03:36.27 | kergoth | 21:49 < kergoth> pragma: okay, so the answer to my question, why you say that |
| 03:36.31 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.34 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.37 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.39 | kergoth | muaha |
| 03:36.56 | ljp_ | hehe |
| 03:37.01 | prpplague | lol |
| 03:37.09 | kergoth | I love fucking with people |
| 03:37.12 | kergoth | i really do |
| 03:37.31 | ljp_ | we know |
| 03:37.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:37.54 | ljp_ | oh man.. it's only 75 in Anguilla... brrr |
| 03:38.28 | kergoth | 75, shit i'd be outside in shorts |
| 03:38.28 | prpplague | mmmmmm anguilla...... |
| 03:38.42 | prpplague | its 74 here |
| 03:39.35 | prpplague | kergoth: ppl want to do what _they_ want with there pda, if there is no way for ppl to easily configure their pda and applications the pda is useless |
| 03:40.00 | ljp_ | its 28 here |
| 03:40.41 | kergoth | prpplague: agreed. too often people make things 'easy' by -removing- the ability to configure/customize |
| 03:41.35 | kergoth | prpplague: thing is, configurability and usability arent mutually exclusive, quite the opposite if implemented well |
| 03:41.46 | prpplague | kergoth: too many times when ppl develop products, the philosy of how the works is totally ignored |
| 03:42.20 | prpplague | kergoth: i think a _spirit_ of the project is as important as the _physical_ of the project |
| 03:42.28 | kergoth | prpplague: indeed |
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| 03:44.57 | ljp_ | I need to find a job that pays for me to sleep on the beach |
| 03:45.21 | beattie | I'd take any job that pays, right now |
| 03:52.17 | prpplague | TTT is sold out till thursday of next ! |
| 03:52.35 | prpplague | that suck or what? |
| 03:52.42 | kergoth | damn |
| 03:52.53 | prpplague | 4 screens |
| 03:53.46 | nitup | prpplague: wuw, crazy, I saw it today |
| 03:54.00 | ljp_ | TTT? |
| 03:54.15 | prpplague | The Two Towers |
| 03:54.39 | ljp_ | oh |
| 03:54.56 | prpplague | nitup: was the helms deep seen impressive or what? |
| 03:55.02 | nitup | very |
| 03:56.32 | prpplague | wow, the arrested a bunch of hamas members is dallas |
| 04:00.46 | chouimat | damn!! I will have 3 bags |
| 04:05.52 | ljp_ | 3? |
| 04:06.28 | chouimat | ljp_: I leaving for 10 days |
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| 04:08.58 | noda | Moo!@ |
| 04:11.03 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 04:11.38 | kergoth | figured out the margins for the FB |
| 04:11.46 | kergoth | so it doesnt look funky anymore in 2.4.19 |
| 04:12.06 | noda | Sweet :) |
| 04:12.35 | noda | So, what's missing in the 2.4.19 kernel? Anything that a lowly coder with no kernel experience could muster up a solution to? |
| 04:12.53 | kergoth | noda: welp, i need to finish up the keyboard driver before peopel without serial cables can even test. |
| 04:13.10 | noda | kergoth: Ah, difficult? |
| 04:13.21 | kergoth | keyboard driver? |
| 04:13.29 | noda | Yeah |
| 04:13.31 | kergoth | nah schurig has an existing one that almost exactly fits our needs for the Z |
| 04:13.35 | noda | Ah. |
| 04:13.42 | kergoth | just needs altering for our keys, keymaps, and hardware access |
| 04:13.56 | noda | I guess that'd be pretty futile for me to try doing that, without a serial cable. |
| 04:13.59 | kergoth | might need tweaking to poll instead of irqs .. but his existing method may very well work |
| 04:14.02 | kergoth | noda: exactly |
| 04:14.10 | kergoth | noda: once i have keyboard working, others can start testing and playing around |
| 04:14.33 | noda | Then you need.... touchscreen, SD, cf, wireless? |
| 04:14.38 | beattie | kergoth: any idea when that will be? |
| 04:14.49 | kergoth | beattie: likely tomorrow |
| 04:14.49 | chouimat | hi noda |
| 04:14.54 | noda | chouimat: Moo |
| 04:14.58 | kergoth | noda: take at a look at the OZ forum on zaurus.com |
| 04:15.03 | kergoth | noda: i posted a status update today |
| 04:15.13 | noda | Oh cool :) |
| 04:15.22 | noda | I'm gonna subscribe to that :) |
| 04:15.34 | kergoth | theres a openzaurus project on their SF |
| 04:15.38 | kergoth | on community.zaurus.com |
| 04:15.49 | kergoth | course i dont use it for anything cause i hate SF's file release handling |
| 04:15.50 | kergoth | but hey |
| 04:16.31 | chouimat | kergoth: write your own SF |
| 04:16.34 | chouimat | :} |
| 04:16.34 | noda | Aah, gotta go. |
| 04:16.37 | noda | Later :) |
| 04:16.48 | kergoth | chouimat: i'm not *that* bored |
| 04:17.14 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm leaving in 9.5 hours |
| 04:21.15 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm stuck at zaurus login, opie don't start |
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| 04:25.44 | chouimat | ~lart OZ |
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| 04:31.17 | chouimat | DAMN! OPIE SEGFAULT |
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| 04:32.45 | kergoth | note to self: ground yourself before touching hte Z |
| 04:32.51 | kergoth | it reacts -really- weirdly to being shocked |
| 04:33.16 | chouimat | kergoth: you or the Zaurus? |
| 04:33.43 | kergoth | chouimat: both? ;) |
| 04:33.49 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm rebuilding opie rigth now |
| 04:33.55 | kergoth | cool |
| 04:34.06 | H4NZ0 | hmm |
| 04:34.09 | H4NZ0 | also dont use earphones when charging the Z :) |
| 04:34.56 | kergoth | k i simplified our flash partitioning |
| 04:35.05 | kergoth | its down to 3 partitions, bootloader, kernel, jffs2 |
| 04:35.09 | kergoth | mtd0,1,2 |
| 04:35.51 | kergoth | Linux version 2.4.19-rmk4-cl1 (kergoth@oemx) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (relea |
| 04:35.53 | kergoth | se)) #55 Wed Dec 18 22:21:25 CST 2002 |
| 04:35.56 | kergoth | CPU: Intel StrongARM-1110 revision 8 |
| 04:35.58 | kergoth | Machine: Sharp-Collie |
| 04:36.01 | kergoth | whee |
| 04:36.01 | kergoth | i should fix that to read just 'Collie' for the machine |
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| 04:36.36 | phantasm | The bug was already resolved |
| 04:36.37 | phantasm | heh |
| 04:36.39 | chouimat | kergoth: still can reflash it? |
| 04:36.49 | kergoth | chouimat: ? |
| 04:37.02 | kergoth | i can flash my Z all day long.. |
| 04:37.40 | phantasm | <g> Thats the ONE thing I can do so far with out a problem! |
| 04:39.47 | kergoth | Load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 04:39.48 | kergoth | hell yeah |
| 04:40.08 | phantasm | heh |
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| 04:47.58 | jurrie_ | have others noticed clock issues? In 24hr mode OZ repeatedly bumped the time ahead by an hour. Now in 12hr mode it's losing time |
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| 04:49.05 | kergoth | jurrie_: when does it change the time? |
| 04:49.11 | kergoth | jurrie_: reboot? suspend? just as it runs? |
| 04:49.17 | kergoth | jurrie_: is it slowly, or jump? |
| 04:49.35 | jurrie_ | don't know exactly, but it happened multiple times. in 24hr mode I only noticed it after it had suspended |
| 04:50.04 | jurrie_ | in 12hr mode I've caught it off by 5-7 minutes before resetting the time |
| 04:50.15 | jurrie_ | I'll keep a closer eye on it... just wondering if others had mentioned it |
| 04:51.17 | kergoth | i havent heard that reported as of yet |
| 04:51.20 | kergoth | i'll keep an ear open |
| 04:51.38 | jurrie_ | my biggest application gripe so far is the Network configuration app. Need to be able to configure different settings for different locations (which the app seems to want to offer eventually) along with associated WEP keys, etc.. |
| 04:52.04 | kergoth | jurrie_: profiles dont work yet? |
| 04:52.13 | kergoth | jurrie_: open a feature request in the opie bug tracker |
| 04:52.14 | jurrie_ | not for me... |
| 04:52.18 | jurrie_ | yessir |
| 04:55.32 | kergoth | hm, console fb rotation didnt work |
| 04:57.18 | kergoth | http://www.lst.de/~simon/openzaurus/oz_xine_package_patch-1.txt |
| 04:57.20 | kergoth | er |
| 04:57.22 | kergoth | wrong window |
| 04:57.22 | kergoth | heh |
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| 05:03.00 | phantasm | Anyone familiar with an AIM app for the Z? |
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| 05:04.35 | jurrie_ | kergoth: any "must have" fixes from unstable that you'd recommend to 3.1rc1 users? |
| 05:04.50 | kergoth | jurrie_: read the changelog for the unstable branch |
| 05:05.09 | roge99 | hey kergoth hows it going |
| 05:05.10 | dep | phantasm: there is tckJabber, a commercial product |
| 05:05.21 | kergoth | jurrie_: nothing is a real must have.. opie fixes of cousre, but other than that, you'll probably want the new apmd, which fixes the suspend delay |
| 05:05.24 | kergoth | roge99: real good, you? |
| 05:05.33 | roge99 | not too bad .. |
| 05:05.50 | dep | phantasm: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=29 |
| 05:06.10 | roge99 | glad to hear things are good |
| 05:06.43 | kergoth | roge99: 2.4.19 is coming along quite well |
| 05:06.56 | roge99 | excellent |
| 05:10.04 | mrwoody | what happened to kernel.org? |
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| 05:13.23 | noda | Moo! |
| 05:13.38 | noda | Quick question: I'm trying to answer the FAQ, "What CF 802.11 cards does OpenZaurus support?" |
| 05:13.46 | noda | Anyone know of a list somewhere? |
| 05:14.12 | mrwoody | wasn't there a list of all the cf stuff that was supported ? |
| 05:15.14 | mrwoody | ibot: seen Onyx4 |
| 05:15.18 | | onyx4 is currently on #zaurus (27m 23s) #openzaurus (27m 23s) |
| 05:15.33 | kergoth | noda: there's no list |
| 05:16.10 | kergoth | noda: we support 1) all the cards supported by the native pcmcia/cf drivers in the linux 2.4.6 kernel, along with orinoco, symbol/socket, and prism cards via hostap |
| 05:16.19 | kergoth | noda: course then theres sharp's camera card, which we support as well |
| 05:16.27 | kergoth | noda: and numerous others that just require extra packages |
| 05:16.31 | kergoth | noda: like the bluetooth cards |
| 05:16.33 | kergoth | noda: etc |
| 05:16.37 | dep | noda: how about adding a place on the web site to enter supported hardware info? |
| 05:17.29 | kergoth | noda: notice the new news item on the site? ;) |
| 05:17.49 | mrwoody | i wonder if the stuff in http://www.pellicosystems.com/zaurus/hardware/bluetoothDevKit.html really works |
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| 05:23.36 | PARITY_ERROR | where does lirc install? |
| 05:23.50 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:23.54 | kergoth | it installs where you installed it |
| 05:24.06 | PARITY_ERROR | i did ipkg install lirc |
| 05:24.10 | kergoth | then it installed to flash |
| 05:24.13 | PARITY_ERROR | but I cant find it now :P |
| 05:24.21 | kergoth | 'ipkg files lirc' |
| 05:24.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:24.53 | PARITY_ERROR | thx |
| 05:24.56 | kergoth | np |
| 05:27.02 | PARITY_ERROR | I wonder if oz or the ipaq linux will run on a dell axim? |
| 05:27.55 | beattie | kergoth: I'm cloneing http://linux-cl.bkbits.net/linux-arm-2.4-collie right now, are there notes somewhere on building and installing the new kernel? |
| 05:28.14 | kergoth | PARITY_ERROR: if dell gives out specs, yeah. it really requires manufacturer support |
| 05:28.22 | kergoth | beattie: well, unless you have a serial cable it wont be much use to you atm |
| 05:28.35 | beattie | I have a serial cable |
| 05:28.40 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:28.42 | kergoth | okay then |
| 05:28.48 | kergoth | after cloning, bk -r edit -q |
| 05:29.10 | kergoth | then cp arch/arm/def-configs/collie .config; make oldconfig dep zImage; |
| 05:29.19 | kergoth | then flash arch/arm/boot/zImage as you would any other zImage |
| 05:29.33 | kergoth | note that you'll probably want a minimal initrd.bin to test with |
| 05:30.08 | PARITY_ERROR | i dont suppose that youy have any .net experience do you kergoth? |
| 05:30.23 | kergoth | fraid not |
| 05:30.26 | PARITY_ERROR | :P |
| 05:30.56 | kergoth | beattie: you were the one who sent a mail to LAK regarding a new kernel for the Z a few weeks back right? |
| 05:31.34 | beattie | kergoth: right, got distracted |
| 05:31.44 | kergoth | beattie: np, the replies didnt look very helpful |
| 05:31.49 | kergoth | beattie: heh |
| 05:32.39 | kergoth | beattie: its progressing pretty rapidly now, we should have the functionality up to par very very soon |
| 05:32.43 | beattie | any recomendation on initrd, or should I just build one from buildroot |
| 05:32.52 | kergoth | beattie: oh, i have a number of bits that arent in bkbits yet, ill commit and push |
| 05:33.09 | kergoth | beattie: myself, i built one with only libc6, busybox, modutils, sysvinit, oz-base, kernel enabled |
| 05:33.17 | kergoth | beattie: (and of course the host build tools) |
| 05:33.24 | kergoth | beattie: i have one here if you want, i can u/l it somewhere |
| 05:33.31 | kergoth | beattie: otherwise feel free to build one |
| 05:33.32 | beattie | kergoth: ok I have to but the kid to bed, I'll be back in 15-20 minutes |
| 05:33.36 | kergoth | beattie: k |
| 05:34.10 | PARITY_ERROR | can I ask you a general c++ question kergoth? |
| 05:34.15 | kergoth | ask awya |
| 05:34.18 | kergoth | away, that is |
| 05:34.26 | PARITY_ERROR | i have a function that returns a char* |
| 05:34.39 | PARITY_ERROR | what do I do to it to make that a string? |
| 05:34.50 | kergoth | define 'string' |
| 05:34.55 | kergoth | you mean a string type from libstdc++? |
| 05:35.00 | kergoth | or a QString in qt? |
| 05:35.01 | kergoth | or .. |
| 05:35.18 | dep | or the C++ string class |
| 05:35.22 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:35.24 | PARITY_ERROR | a value that can then be read into vb or c# as a string |
| 05:35.25 | kergoth | dep: thats what i said. |
| 05:35.41 | kergoth | dep: libstdc++ = c++ std library |
| 05:35.41 | mrwoody | strange: i cannot umount /mnt/cf: it always tells me Device or resource busy even after a reboot |
| 05:35.42 | PARITY_ERROR | standard string class i would assume |
| 05:36.07 | kergoth | mrwoody: then something is running on it |
| 05:36.12 | kergoth | mrwoody: fuser -m /mnt/cf |
| 05:36.16 | kergoth | mrwoody: what does that return? |
| 05:36.26 | kergoth | damn it feels good to be a gangsta |
| 05:36.36 | PARITY_ERROR | haha |
| 05:37.00 | mrwoody | kergoth: /mnt/cf: 421m |
| 05:37.11 | kergoth | mrwoody: ps -ef|grep 421 |
| 05:37.46 | mrwoody | kergoth: it is qpe |
| 05:38.01 | kergoth | mrwoody: well there ya go. you probably installed an applet onto your cf or something |
| 05:38.09 | kergoth | mrwoody: or enabled 'fast load' on a app installed to cf |
| 05:38.13 | kergoth | mrwoody: etc. |
| 05:38.29 | dep | PARITY_ERROR: you can pass the char * variable to a C++ string constructor to get a C++ string |
| 05:38.32 | mrwoody | kergoth: right... installed an applet on cf. Is that bad? |
| 05:38.41 | kergoth | mrwoody: applets are always running unless you disable them. |
| 05:38.46 | kergoth | mrwoody: hence your card is always in use |
| 05:38.52 | kergoth | mrwoody: so you cant unmount it |
| 05:39.14 | mrwoody | kergoth: ok... maybe it is too late (that is why i ask stupid questions) |
| 05:39.21 | kergoth | mrwoody: ;) |
| 05:40.54 | jurrie_ | uninstall and reinstall elsewhere |
| 05:40.58 | kergoth | hahahaha |
| 05:41.11 | kergoth | note to self: dont enable linux power management before setting up the ability to resume with the cancel button |
| 05:42.07 | kergoth | BZFlagNotCTO: sd module for 2.4.19? </pester> |
| 05:42.09 | kergoth | BZFlagNotCTO: hehe |
| 05:42.13 | kergoth | BZFlagNotCTO: whatre you up to tonight? |
| 05:43.49 | Xentac | kergoth: hehehe... you enabled power management and then left it on till it auto-powered off? |
| 05:43.54 | kergoth | Xentac: yup |
| 05:43.56 | kergoth | Xentac: :) |
| 05:44.15 | Xentac | and then hit the cancel button... swore a lot... then flipped the back switch? |
| 05:44.41 | kergoth | well no |
| 05:44.47 | kergoth | you see, the back switch isnt supported yet |
| 05:44.52 | kergoth | so i full reset :) |
| 05:44.56 | BZFlagNotCTO | kergoth: hacking on ipaq stuff. I fixed thier mmc driver. ;-) I suppose I could look at Z SD/MMC ;-) |
| 05:44.57 | mrwoody | kergoth: maybe that was the reason why it was not properly umounting after a suspend/resume (i mean the applet on the cf card) |
| 05:45.13 | Xentac | back switch isn't supported yet? it's actually a software thing? I suppose it would be... it was with the Helio... |
| 05:45.20 | kergoth | BZFlagNotCTO: ah nice. |
| 05:45.31 | kergoth | mrwoody: could be |
| 05:45.52 | kergoth | Xentac: yep, it is. when you hit full reset, the kernel starts immediately |
| 05:46.07 | kergoth | Xentac: then it reaches a point where it checks the switch. if its in replace battery, it sleeps there |
| 05:46.23 | kergoth | Xentac: and awakens if you hit cancel while the switch is set to normal |
| 05:46.27 | Xentac | ah |
| 05:46.28 | Xentac | neato |
| 05:46.47 | kergoth | :) |
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| 05:48.37 | mrwoody | good night ppl |
| 05:48.45 | kergoth | Xentac: yea, it threw me off at first. i was in serial console, hit full reset, then went to put the battery cover on and stuff and i was already getting messages ;) |
| 05:49.08 | kergoth | (this was when i first got my serial cable) |
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| 05:49.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:49.18 | Xentac | I can understand that being weird... so it's not hardware... it's the kernel... that's cool |
| 05:49.29 | Xentac | except that those are zaurus specific patches ;) |
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| 05:49.44 | kergoth | Xentac: yep. thats not a problem though |
| 05:50.45 | Xentac | why isn't it a problem? they gave you the patches? |
| 05:51.01 | kergoth | Xentac: the sharp 2.4.6 kernel sources have been available since before the 5500 started being sold |
| 05:51.06 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 05:51.15 | kergoth | Xentac: how do you think OZ has a better kernel than theirs? |
| 05:51.20 | kergoth | Xentac: we patch it yet further |
| 05:51.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:51.38 | Xentac | figures, I wouldn't know something that has been common knowledge for a long time... |
| 05:51.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:52.46 | choiuimat|Zzzz | kergoth: merry xmas |
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| 05:52.55 | kergoth | night choiuimat|Zzzz, have a good trip! |
| 05:52.57 | kergoth | choiuimat|Zzzz: you too |
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| 05:53.14 | kergoth | hunger_: hey |
| 05:53.18 | choiuimat|Zzzz | kergoth: you will probably sleep at 9h EST so ... |
| 05:53.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:54.00 | Xentac | hmmm... my backspace button kept sticking... so I've just tried putting it on upside down... it seems to work better... I wonder if anyone will notice.. |
| 05:55.41 | BZFlagNotCTO | bruceparens claims the Z SD driver only uses one pin, not 4. that's actually not correct from what I can tell in the source. |
| 05:56.07 | BZFlagNotCTO | From what I can tell it at least tries to se all 4 pins. |
| 05:56.09 | kergoth | BZFlagNotCTO: really? jason always said it was just one |
| 05:56.14 | kergoth | BZFlagNotCTO: so why's it so damn slow then? hehe |
| 05:56.49 | BZFlagNotCTO | we presumed it was just one cause it was so slow, but the schematics show all 4 wired and the driver source references 4 pins. Have not ever debugged it to see if it actually works. |
| 05:57.11 | badl | BZFlagNotCTO: you must have been reading /. about perens post ;) |
| 05:58.50 | BZFlagNotCTO | badl: yep. keep waiting for someone to ask why they did not keep me so I can reply. ;-) |
| 05:59.02 | badl | hehe |
| 05:59.59 | BZFlagNotCTO | course my reply is "beat's the heck outta me" or somthing similar. but I could forward the link to folks at Metrowerks. ;-) |
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| 06:00.51 | badl | its all about the $BOH -- i'm sure they would hire you if you would for for $10per/hr |
| 06:01.09 | badl | s/would for for/would work for/ |
| 06:02.03 | badl | but i'm sure, you couldn't be bothered getting out of bed for that! :D |
| 06:03.42 | BZFlagNotCTO | badl: I doubt that. they are going to end up spending much more to keep me as a contractor and then I won;t be doing anywheres near what I was an employee. |
| 06:04.45 | badl | BZFlagNotCTO: well if that is so, then thats to your advantage! |
| 06:04.54 | BZFlagNotCTO | so Metrowerks aquires Embedix to get key linux people, then does not keep some of the key engineers but instead pays more to a contract shop to keep them doing some projects. |
| 06:05.11 | BZFlagNotCTO | badl: mine, yes. It's them that's crazy. ;-) |
| 06:05.26 | noda | kergoth: Whoops, went away there. I like the news :) |
| 06:05.36 | noda | And yeah, I guess hardware support is a page we should have somewhere on the site. |
| 06:05.55 | badl | BZFlagNotCTO: who cares about the directors decisions.... you seem to be in a win-win situation (unless it all goes ugly) |
| 06:06.42 | BZFlagNotCTO | well, if they keep making stupid moves, they will end up losing money and closing the division. There goes my "win". |
| 06:06.53 | noda | (though there's a style issue - I'll have to make news items' <li>'s get nice list-styles. |
| 06:06.57 | noda | Ah well, 'night everybody. |
| 06:07.11 | badl | no.. there goes your own *personal* buyout of the division ;) |
| 06:07.12 | BZFlagNotCTO | the bigger "win" for me it for them to start making a profit. |
| 06:07.37 | badl | and then you can turn it around and start makng a profit |
| 06:07.50 | BZFlagNotCTO | heh. perhaps. I've talked with andersee about starting a multiple engineer company "our" way. |
| 06:07.56 | kergoth | badl: you're far too 'the glass is half full' |
| 06:07.58 | kergoth | badl: :P |
| 06:08.20 | badl | kergoth: are you like, 'the glass is alf empty' ;) |
| 06:08.49 | kergoth | badl: I'm more like, man, this is a really fucking stupid glass |
| 06:08.50 | *** join/#openzaurus billytwowilly (~chris@24.86.147.26) |
| 06:08.57 | badl | heheh |
| 06:11.08 | billytwowilly | hurray! my cab leaves for the airport in 4 hours then I get to be a menace to sobriety on the beaches of the Dominican. Merry Christmas all, I'll be back to haras.. err converse with you in the new year. |
| 06:11.18 | kergoth | billytwowilly: nice, have a good time! |
| 06:11.37 | badl | kergoth: tell me, how many more hours ahve you wasted on sfcave.com? |
| 06:11.54 | kergoth | badl: hmm almost none surprisingly |
| 06:11.55 | billytwowilly | kergoth: Thanks. You won't have me bugging you about that keyboard thing for about two weeks;) have a happy new year;) |
| 06:11.59 | kergoth | badl: got distracted by other things |
| 06:12.05 | badl | lucky |
| 06:29.13 | oob | http://theregister.co.uk/content/3/28613.html |
| 06:30.43 | billytwowilly | oob: I want that over here;) |
| 06:30.47 | oob | japansese 802.11 telephone service for the zaurus |
| 06:31.40 | H4NZ0 | kergoth.. u said OZ is better then sharp :) |
| 06:31.49 | kergoth | H4NZ0: ? |
| 06:32.07 | H4NZ0 | 2) arent OZ specific - happen in sharp too |
| 06:32.14 | kergoth | yeah, no shit |
| 06:32.26 | kergoth | OZ is better, i didnt say it was better in every area, now did I? |
| 06:32.52 | billytwowilly | kergoth: being better usually means in every area;) what kind of bugs happen in the sharp rom too? |
| 06:32.58 | kergoth | billytwowilly: huh? |
| 06:33.01 | kergoth | billytwowilly: bullshit. |
| 06:33.08 | kergoth | billytwowilly: better implies improvement |
| 06:33.14 | kergoth | simply that |
| 06:33.20 | billytwowilly | improvement implies less bugs;) |
| 06:33.27 | kergoth | billytwowilly: bullshit |
| 06:33.32 | billytwowilly | and the bugs that are in the other product are fixed;) |
| 06:33.35 | kergoth | billytwowilly: improvement can be 1) stability or 2) features |
| 06:33.43 | billytwowilly | what kind of bugs though? |
| 06:33.55 | kergoth | billytwowilly: like the double reboot w/o suspending hang |
| 06:34.05 | kergoth | billytwowilly: or flaws in both sharp and oz's kernels |
| 06:34.21 | billytwowilly | kergoth: is that easy to make happen? the double reboot thing? |
| 06:34.33 | kergoth | billytwowilly: reboot twice in a row without suspending at all before rebooting |
| 06:34.55 | kergoth | billytwowilly: b00m. hangs at shutdown. lcd goes blitzy like it usually does, but instead of rebooting, it fades out |
| 06:34.56 | H4NZ0 | i think it happened to me once.. |
| 06:35.03 | kergoth | billytwowilly: and you'll have to full reset to recover |
| 06:35.04 | H4NZ0 | lost all my data.. damn.. |
| 06:35.18 | kergoth | course in OZ if that happens you dont lose all your data |
| 06:35.22 | kergoth | whereas you do in sharp |
| 06:35.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:35.45 | billytwowilly | ahh. that stinks... for sharp. I'm thinking they should slip you some cash or something and just use OZ;) |
| 06:36.08 | DaWorm | kergoth: told you about the oz commercial thing |
| 06:36.09 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:36.37 | beattie | kergoth: building that kernel, can you upload the initrd, or do you need aplace to put it? |
| 06:36.48 | kergoth | beattie: i'll throw it up on openzaurus.org in unofficial. hold up |
| 06:36.49 | billytwowilly | oz commercial thing? |
| 06:36.54 | H4NZ0 | I pulled out the battery ^_^ |
| 06:37.07 | DaWorm | billytwowilly: nah its nothing, just a thought...won't even happen |
| 06:41.35 | beattie | kergoth: are the bk bits up to date? |
| 06:41.37 | billytwowilly | DaWorm: I've got three more hours till I leave;) I like hearing about thoughts;) if you have the time, I'm here to listen man;) |
| 06:41.44 | kergoth | beattie: not quite, hold on |
| 06:43.29 | DaWorm | billytwowilly: we just thought about offering paid support for oz, that's all, it wasn't serious thought, and if it did, it was just an option, oz development will still continue as is, but someone said its better to focus on specialized markets for oz instead, and since we're still a small outfit, it won't even be profitable to say the least; best thing is to donate hardware to kergoth :) |
| 06:44.26 | billytwowilly | DaWorm: you guys are developing OZ as a business? I thought it was just some guys who liked their PDA's;) |
| 06:44.52 | DaWorm | billytwowilly: no no, don't get it wrong...its not that...it wasnt even serious so to speak |
| 06:45.56 | kergoth | billytwowilly: maybe you missed the part where he said he was just throwing ideas around? |
| 06:45.59 | kergoth | ~lart billytwowilly |
| 06:46.04 | billytwowilly | oh ok, I'm ok with it either way;) I just thought it was one of those "three guys in a basement somewhere" type things and you were doing it cuz you liked it;) |
| 06:46.13 | kergoth | we are, dumbass |
| 06:46.15 | kergoth | pay attention |
| 06:46.16 | kergoth | jesus |
| 06:46.18 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:46.31 | DaWorm | if people pay for ppc crap |
| 06:46.38 | DaWorm | why not pay for something solid like oz |
| 06:46.42 | billytwowilly | hehehehe. sorry. I started drinking to prep my liver for the dominican;) |
| 06:46.48 | billytwowilly | and that's the story I'm sticking with;) |
| 06:46.59 | DaWorm | but we're not saying "pay" in a sense you pay to use it |
| 06:47.05 | kergoth | billytwowilly: so did I, or I may have had more patience with your assumptions |
| 06:47.07 | billytwowilly | you guys should do something ala mandrake club. |
| 06:47.14 | DaWorm | and even if it did materialize, its still an option |
| 06:47.20 | DaWorm | but then, we're still small |
| 06:47.42 | DaWorm | things like that pile in at least small profits by the numbers |
| 06:47.57 | kergoth | billytwowilly: i could spend more time on OZ if there was actually some financial benefit |
| 06:48.04 | kergoth | billytwowilly: time *is* money, make no mistake |
| 06:48.09 | DaWorm | indeed |
| 06:48.10 | kergoth | billytwowilly: and some of us spend a great deal of time on this |
| 06:48.17 | DaWorm | not just time |
| 06:48.23 | DaWorm | besides, a z costs $$$ |
| 06:48.26 | kergoth | indeed |
| 06:48.31 | DaWorm | its not just a toy made in china |
| 06:48.53 | DaWorm | wrong move and you get a nice paperweight |
| 06:49.07 | billytwowilly | what I'm saying is that I think you guys should do something like mandrake club. 5 bucks a month or something. I'm sure a bunch of people would sign up. |
| 06:49.22 | billytwowilly | you guys busted an Z's yet? |
| 06:49.29 | kergoth | billytwowilly: you're saying charge for end user support, rather than company support, right? |
| 06:49.29 | DaWorm | billytwowilly: we're still thinking about it, besides, it was only yesterday that the thought came out |
| 06:49.46 | kergoth | billytwowilly: I've busted my touchscreen digitizer on my 5000d. cracked it bad, made it almost unsable |
| 06:49.53 | kergoth | billytwowilly: unusable. sold it off to a hardware hacker |
| 06:50.17 | DaWorm | billytwowilly: but even before we venture into some stuff, oz and opie needs to be very very solid...you can't expect people to pay to fix opie or oz bugs |
| 06:50.24 | kergoth | wooooot |
| 06:50.32 | kergoth | console rotation patch from lineo is in and operational |
| 06:50.39 | DaWorm | whoa |
| 06:50.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:50.46 | kergoth | its not sideways anymore |
| 06:50.54 | DaWorm | you got the lcd thing working? |
| 06:50.59 | kergoth | okay time to push it and finish up the new keyboard driver |
| 06:51.02 | kergoth | DaWorm: yep, workin great |
| 06:51.09 | kergoth | DaWorm: in fact, its the only thing so far with actual suspend/resume handling |
| 06:51.12 | kergoth | DaWorm: which is funny as hell |
| 06:51.18 | DaWorm | that's great |
| 06:51.23 | kergoth | DaWorm: linux suspends itself after a while right.. it suspends the lcd .. turns it off.. |
| 06:51.37 | kergoth | DaWorm: but i'm still logged in on the serial port, because the rest of the system hasnt suspended |
| 06:51.40 | kergoth | DaWorm: hehe |
| 06:51.57 | DaWorm | hehe at least we're getting something positive |
| 06:52.57 | kergoth | yep |
| 06:53.01 | kergoth | its progressing pretty rapidly |
| 06:53.03 | billytwowilly | I'm saying don't charge for support at all;) you don't really get support with mandrake club, it's just you putting up some money to support a project you like. Plus you get some extra stuff like a fast mirror to grab stuff off of and some nicely packaged rpms. |
| 06:53.18 | kergoth | billytwowilly: well, we're puttign up a donations page shortly |
| 06:53.23 | kergoth | billytwowilly: so people can contribute |
| 06:53.32 | billytwowilly | I'm saying that if I owned a Z (which should be in the next three months) I'd put up money. |
| 06:53.39 | DaWorm | yeah, donations are a start |
| 06:53.45 | kergoth | billytwowilly: we're doing a nice credits page, with paypal/c2it links for the devs |
| 06:53.51 | kergoth | billytwowilly: along with info on who does what |
| 06:53.59 | kergoth | beattie: pushing the console rotation now |
| 06:54.00 | billytwowilly | my recommendation is set the page up as a monthly donation.. people don't think much about five bucks a month, but sixty bucks at one time would scare most people. |
| 06:54.11 | kergoth | billytwowilly: hmm |
| 06:55.17 | billytwowilly | it's what a lot of big companies use to get more money out of consumers.. on my cell there is a 6 dollar "network" charge. I don't fight it cuz It's only six bucks and that doesn't seem worth it to me. if they charged me 72 bucks on one bill once a year I'd be phoning and bitching every five minutes;) |
| 06:56.09 | billytwowilly | if you set it up with say 3 month, 6 month and a year donation schedule (with maybe 5, 10 and 15 bucks per month for each) you'd probably get more money out of each individual user than through straight donations. |
| 06:56.32 | kergoth | billytwowilly: makes sense, course then you have to deal with how to distribute the donations |
| 06:56.42 | DaWorm | billytwowilly: that's a nice idea, we'll consider that too, but 1st thing is to have a solid product :) As far as development goes, its growing rapidly, hopefully with an increase in user base as well |
| 06:56.47 | kergoth | billytwowilly: or make it so they can decide how to distribute it |
| 06:56.51 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 06:56.59 | kergoth | thatd work |
| 06:57.16 | kergoth | they could do like 5 a month for 6 months, putting 60% to kergoth and 20% to noda or etc |
| 06:57.20 | billytwowilly | sure, ok, so have it set so you can set a percentage for each developer or something.. |
| 06:57.23 | kergoth | yep |
| 06:57.25 | billytwowilly | yah. there you go;) |
| 06:57.40 | DaWorm | where'd the 20% go |
| 06:57.41 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:57.50 | kergoth | hey now, screw adding, its late |
| 06:57.52 | billytwowilly | to the guy who has the idea;) (me;) |
| 06:57.58 | billytwowilly | jk. |
| 06:57.58 | DaWorm | hahah |
| 06:58.25 | kergoth | # |
| 06:58.25 | kergoth | Kernel status update |
| 06:58.25 | kergoth | Submitted on Dec 18 2002 by Chris Larson (kergoth) <kergoth@handhelds.org> |
| 06:58.25 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:59.14 | DaWorm | i should make a mirror soon |
| 07:00.35 | DaWorm | won't take long |
| 07:00.35 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 07:01.21 | billytwowilly | I gotta go, but could you guys do me one more favour? if you do set up a donation or a club thing, please don't use paypal as the only option;) |
| 07:01.24 | kergoth | beattie: scp'ing initrd.bin |
| 07:01.45 | kergoth | billytwowilly: my entry on the donations page will have paypal and c2it, dunno about the other devs |
| 07:01.53 | kergoth | billytwowilly: itll be whatever the devs in question have |
| 07:02.16 | DaWorm | kergoth: any luck on possible name candidates? |
| 07:02.24 | billytwowilly | ahh ok.. if you guys set up a club thing, you're gonna have to find someone that lets you use credit cards.. |
| 07:02.32 | billytwowilly | anyway, cheers! |
| 07:02.33 | kergoth | DaWorm: well, for most of hte discussion i wasnt even subscribed to zaurus-general |
| 07:02.37 | kergoth | later billytwowilly |
| 07:02.39 | kergoth | DaWorm: hehe |
| 07:02.42 | *** part/#openzaurus billytwowilly (~chris@24.86.147.26) |
| 07:02.42 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 07:02.48 | DaWorm | use the Zorce |
| 07:02.49 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 07:02.59 | kergoth | i want a pic of pingizauru in the jedi robes |
| 07:03.10 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 07:03.14 | DaWorm | i'll whip up something |
| 07:03.17 | kergoth | we should do a google like thing |
| 07:03.26 | kergoth | you know how they decorate the google logo on holidays? |
| 07:03.26 | beattie | kergoth: bk pull is not pulling anything but the compile fails |
| 07:03.31 | kergoth | we could outfit pingizauru |
| 07:03.38 | kergoth | like look, its santa pingi! |
| 07:03.47 | kergoth | careful of his firey breath kids |
| 07:03.53 | DaWorm | i just wonder though |
| 07:04.02 | DaWorm | is pingi zauri an oz thing or an opie thing? |
| 07:04.06 | kergoth | both |
| 07:04.18 | kergoth | oz could probably use a new logo to distinguish it |
| 07:04.22 | kergoth | for the distro piece |
| 07:04.37 | DaWorm | ok i'll think of some stuff |
| 07:04.46 | DaWorm | you never know |
| 07:05.04 | kergoth | cool, let me know if you come up with anything |
| 07:05.10 | kergoth | beattie: whats the error? |
| 07:05.31 | beattie | arm-linux-ld -r -o kernel.o sched.o fork.o exec_domain.o panic.o printk.o module.o exit.o itimer.o info.o time.o softirq.o resource.o sysctl.o acct.o capability.o ptrace.o timer.o user.o signal.o sys.o kmod.o context.o uid16.o ksyms.o |
| 07:05.31 | beattie | sys.o: In function `collie_get_comadj': |
| 07:05.31 | beattie | sys.o(.text+0x1e00): multiple definition of `collie_get_comadj' |
| 07:05.31 | beattie | resource.o(.text+0x4ec): first defined here |
| 07:05.39 | kergoth | beattie: fixed, hold while i push |
| 07:05.45 | kergoth | beattie: forgot about that one |
| 07:06.01 | kergoth | beattie: was just missing a 'static' on the inline function definition in the header |
| 07:06.21 | beattie | damned compiler is sooo picky |
| 07:06.36 | kergoth | its how it works |
| 07:06.38 | kergoth | ansi c |
| 07:06.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:06.55 | kergoth | few more minutes on the initrd copy |
| 07:07.05 | kergoth | damn capped cable upstream |
| 07:08.38 | beattie | kergoth: where is the initrd |
| 07:09.35 | kergoth | beattie: bk pull; make clean; make oldconfig dep zImage; |
| 07:11.17 | beattie | kergoth: do I need a bk edit? |
| 07:11.25 | kergoth | beattie: shouldnt, i didnt add any new files |
| 07:11.34 | kergoth | beattie: http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/experimental/kernel/initrd.bin |
| 07:12.29 | DaWorm | kergoth: what do i need to do when i want to make an oz mirror |
| 07:13.11 | kergoth | DaWorm: structure it exactly like {3.0,3.1rc1}/{zImage*,initrd.bin*,feed} |
| 07:13.29 | kergoth | DaWorm: aka same as our official/ dir |
| 07:14.02 | *** join/#openzaurus phantasm (~phantasm@dpc6682167232.direcpc.com) |
| 07:14.42 | kergoth | beattie: you'll want to keep your Z on AC, since power management isnt all setup atm |
| 07:15.25 | beattie | ok, since it need a serial cable to do much, no big deal |
| 07:15.33 | kergoth | beattie: yeah |
| 07:15.46 | *** join/#openzaurus Walid (~wshaari@pc-80-193-194-7-hr.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 07:21.14 | kergoth | oh -nice- |
| 07:21.23 | kergoth | theres some cool shit in the tuxscreen/shannon kernel patch we can utilize |
| 07:21.37 | kergoth | i.e. russ's backlight stuff |
| 07:22.33 | *** join/#openzaurus schurig (~schurig@pD951AD26.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:22.38 | kergoth | hey schurig |
| 07:22.46 | schurig | Hi! |
| 07:23.07 | schurig | eight o clock thirty --- and the day takes no end |
| 07:23.13 | kergoth | heheh |
| 07:23.28 | kergoth | schurig: today I'm going to finish up the keyboard stuff |
| 07:23.35 | schurig | fine! |
| 07:23.37 | kergoth | :) |
| 07:23.41 | kergoth | thanks again for that source |
| 07:24.04 | schurig | yesterday I had trouble with re-compiling Qt/E. The current source-system did not find out that the makefile patch did not apply. It continued just. |
| 07:24.14 | schurig | It did notmatter if I set USE_PATCHER=1 or not. |
| 07:24.35 | kergoth | schurig: sounds like a bug in the sourcetree perl script, not failing out right |
| 07:24.40 | kergoth | something stupid i'm sure |
| 07:25.09 | schurig | Somehow I'm not in love with the sourcetree perl script ... |
| 07:25.10 | schurig | :-) |
| 07:25.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:25.20 | kergoth | that stuff was all hackish.. |
| 07:25.39 | schurig | did you try USE_PATCHER=1 already? It now detects (and silently ignores) already applied patches. |
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| 07:26.43 | schurig | It starts to have all the features I like ... |
| 07:26.51 | kergoth | schurig: cool :) |
| 07:27.13 | kergoth | schurig: does your device have a frontlight/backlight? |
| 07:27.25 | schurig | It has backlight. |
| 07:27.49 | kergoth | schurig: what interface do you use to set brightness? |
| 07:28.23 | schurig | The PXA250 has two pulse-width-modulators. One I use for the intensity of the backlight, the other one for the contrast. |
| 07:28.32 | kergoth | okay, makes sense |
| 07:28.39 | kergoth | and how is it configured from userspace? |
| 07:28.44 | kergoth | ioctl() to a character device? |
| 07:29.16 | schurig | Currently not-at-all. I have some functions that I call from kernelspace. I have to look how others are doing it and then eventually mimick it. |
| 07:29.33 | kergoth | schurig: then you'll be interested in this |
| 07:29.33 | schurig | So, from userspace one has the keyboard functions only --- currently. |
| 07:29.48 | kergoth | schurig: http://www.tuxscreen.net/download/patch-2.4.16-rmk1-tux2.gz |
| 07:30.04 | kergoth | schurig: tuxscreen patch implements what looks to be a clean backlight/frontlight interface, may be worth using |
| 07:30.11 | kergoth | schurig: since there doesnt appear to be a standard for it |
| 07:30.16 | kergoth | schurig: afaik anyway |
| 07:30.23 | schurig | In one of the -pxa patches from Nicolas Pitre I saw a file lcdctrl.c that was linked together with pxafb (the PXA250 framebuffer driver). This allowed ioctl on /dev/fd0 to set those things. |
| 07:30.41 | kergoth | ah, thats cool |
| 07:30.49 | schurig | So we have several competings "standards" :-) |
| 07:30.53 | kergoth | indeed |
| 07:31.05 | kergoth | "The best thing about standards is there's so many to choose from." |
| 07:31.05 | kergoth | ;) |
| 07:31.08 | schurig | The nice things with standards is that there are so many around to chose from |
| 07:31.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:31.17 | kergoth | echo .. echo .. |
| 07:31.17 | schurig | Hmm, same sentence ... hehe |
| 07:33.56 | kergoth | beattie: any luck |
| 07:33.58 | kergoth | beattie: ? |
| 07:34.14 | beattie | initrd is almost loaded, the kernel built |
| 07:34.24 | kergoth | beattie: okay, cool. |
| 07:34.59 | kergoth | schurig: sent a quick email to LAK regarding bl/fl and whether there's a standard interface.. maybe one is planned, who knows |
| 07:35.27 | schurig | is beattie also using some non-Zaurus hardware? |
| 07:36.11 | hardwire | eh? |
| 07:36.12 | beattie | nope standard Z |
| 07:36.39 | beattie | here we go |
| 07:37.10 | kergoth | beattie: note that arch/arm/def-configs/collie enables serial console at 115200 |
| 07:37.21 | kergoth | beattie: in case you hadnt noticed ;) |
| 07:37.31 | beattie | thanks |
| 07:39.35 | schurig | kergoth: Hmm, how do I get out the old qte-makefile patch? And, when I'm at it, the old uicmoc-should-not-crash patch? |
| 07:41.52 | BZFlagNotCTO | beattie: you hit sllug tonight? |
| 07:41.55 | kergoth | schurig: bk help unrm |
| 07:42.11 | kergoth | schurig: for deleted files |
| 07:42.21 | kergoth | schurig: for just obtaining old versions, use bk prs filename to get a list of the changes |
| 07:42.36 | kergoth | schurig: then bk get -r[version] -p > newfile; |
| 07:45.31 | kergoth | beattie: booted fine? |
| 07:45.42 | beattie | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 1f:04 |
| 07:46.01 | beattie | I need to check the CF |
| 07:46.03 | schurig | kergoth: I guess you want this snapshot preparation staying around, so I make a qte-2.3.4-beta2-makefile.patch and a qte-makefile.patch. |
| 07:46.07 | kergoth | beattie: did you see it hand out the mtd #s? |
| 07:48.39 | beattie | yes |
| 07:48.53 | kergoth | beattie: it handed out 3 right? |
| 07:49.01 | kergoth | beattie: bootloader, kernel, jffs2? |
| 07:49.29 | beattie | yes |
| 07:49.42 | kergoth | geh can someone outside the US do me a favor and try wget http://startx.times.lv/bruby-2.4.19-20021126.diff.bz2? i'm getting 158 bytes/sec |
| 07:49.54 | kergoth | beattie: and your CMDLINE has root=/dev/mtdblock2, and rootfstype=jffs2? |
| 07:50.06 | jurrie_ | silly me.... thought I was upgrading a single package from the unstable feed.... |
| 07:50.07 | kergoth | beattie: wonder if the initrd.bin got corrupted? try a known working initrd |
| 07:50.18 | kergoth | jurrie_: 'ipkg upgrade packagename' instead of 'ipkg upgrade' :) |
| 07:50.24 | kergoth | jurrie_: or did you mean from the gui? |
| 07:50.31 | jurrie_ | even worse.. from the gui :-) |
| 07:50.37 | kergoth | ah |
| 07:50.38 | beattie | let me see if I can find one handy |
| 07:50.47 | schurig | kergoth: wget'int |
| 07:50.49 | schurig | kergoth: wget'ing |
| 07:50.56 | schurig | 1.29 kb/s |
| 07:51.04 | schurig | 1.89 kb/s |
| 07:51.05 | kergoth | schurig: well thats better than my .. 44.55B/s |
| 07:51.08 | kergoth | schurig: ;) |
| 07:51.18 | schurig | I send it later by e-mail to you |
| 07:51.19 | kergoth | schurig: can you email it my way when it completes? |
| 07:51.20 | jurrie_ | I do like the feed access to install/upgrade... very slick |
| 07:51.22 | kergoth | schurig: thanks |
| 07:51.32 | kergoth | schurig: thats a backport of the 2.5 input layer stuff to 2.4.19 |
| 07:51.34 | kergoth | schurig: :) |
| 07:51.44 | jurrie_ | wifi is great... if only it used less juice and the Z came with a bigger/better/badder battery |
| 07:52.00 | schurig | Whats .lv ? Lituania? |
| 07:52.06 | kergoth | dunno |
| 07:52.59 | beattie | Kernel command line: console=ttySA0,115200n8 root=/dev/mtdblock4 rootfstype=jffs |
| 07:52.59 | beattie | 2 ro |
| 07:53.26 | kergoth | beattie: mtdblock*4*? ah, i know what it is.. |
| 07:53.37 | kergoth | beattie: you need to recopy the defconfig for collie after the bk pull ;) |
| 07:53.39 | kergoth | beattie: hehe |
| 07:53.50 | beattie | Ok |
| 07:54.27 | kergoth | beattie: note: working/ is a structured, ripped apart version of lineo's patch against 2.4.6-rmk1-np2 for collie |
| 07:54.38 | kergoth | beattie: i've been using that to keep track of what needs doing |
| 07:55.03 | beattie | ok |
| 07:56.53 | schurig | kergoth: our mailsystem will sent e-mail in 18 minutes ... |
| 07:57.03 | schurig | or is it urgent :-) |
| 08:00.48 | kergoth | schurig: hehe. thats fine |
| 08:00.48 | jurrie_ | so new kernel is pre 2.5 or still 2.4.xx? And new compiler + new C++ mangling -> new libstdc++ that's incompatible with the current lib. If it gets us speed that's great. Kinda sux to lose the compatibility but that's similar to what we had with Linux when we went to a new linker format and glibc2... we'll live |
| 08:00.48 | kergoth | jurrie_: eh? |
| 08:00.48 | kergoth | jurrie_: the gcc3 rom will be released -alongside- the existing one |
| 08:00.48 | kergoth | jurrie_: its completely optional |
| 08:00.48 | kergoth | jurrie_: re kernel, i'm working against 2.4.19-rmk4 |
| 08:00.48 | kergoth | jurrie_: as it says on openzaurus.org on the news page |
| 08:00.48 | tez | Are all developers still using gcc-2.95, or are some slowly making the shift to gcc3? |
| 08:00.48 | kergoth | tez: for the Z? in general? what? |
| 08:00.48 | beattie | phjooey, need to add support for CF to my laptop kernel |
| 08:00.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:00.54 | tez | For the Z |
| 08:03.41 | schurig | tez: I'm still with 2.95. I just want to be on the safe side. |
| 08:04.46 | tez | I see. |
| 08:05.42 | jurrie_ | Z still boots and seems fine with upgrade to unstable... |
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| 08:19.31 | kergoth | hschurig: thanks for the mail |
| 08:22.34 | jurrie_ | I spoke too soon... unstable Z can't see SD... hmm |
| 08:23.26 | beattie | I rebuilt my laptop and forgot to configure pccard/ide support |
| 08:24.28 | beattie | didn't need it with oz working so well :) |
| 08:24.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 08:24.51 | kergoth | jurrie_: mv /etc/init.d/init /etc/init.d/sd; reboot; |
| 08:26.20 | jurrie_ | rebooting... |
| 08:28.38 | jurrie_ | no dice |
| 08:28.58 | kergoth | jurrie_: is sdmgr running? |
| 08:29.19 | jurrie_ | yes |
| 08:29.36 | kergoth | jurrie_: is sharp_mmcsd_m module loaded? |
| 08:30.02 | jurrie_ | yes |
| 08:30.14 | kergoth | so whats the problem? |
| 08:30.49 | jurrie_ | ls /mnt/card lists a usr directory instead of my card's contents |
| 08:31.45 | kergoth | jurrie_: eject your card and reinsert |
| 08:33.05 | jurrie_ | physical eject & reinsert yields nothing... card's not listed from the card icon like it (and CF devices) normally are |
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| 08:34.20 | kergoth | jurrie_: and mount /mnt/card does what? |
| 08:35.18 | jurrie_ | that's cool... gots my stuff again. odd |
| 08:35.28 | kergoth | indeed |
| 08:35.29 | kergoth | weird |
| 08:35.36 | kergoth | if sdmgr is running, it should be mounting it |
| 08:35.38 | kergoth | i'll look into it later |
| 08:35.45 | kergoth | you can always backrev your sdmmc package |
| 08:36.07 | jurrie_ | gstab had options of auto <whitespace> defaults,noauto,noatime 0 0 |
| 08:36.17 | jurrie_ | s/gstab/fstab |
| 08:36.18 | kergoth | thats fine. |
| 08:38.24 | jurrie_ | I assume sdmmc is normally installed in flash |
| 08:38.32 | kergoth | yep |
| 08:39.14 | beattie | kergoth: is there enough info available to port the opensource mmc driver? |
| 08:39.27 | kergoth | beattie: not certain |
| 08:41.44 | beattie | do you know if sharp has released any of the internal hardware details? |
| 08:41.56 | kergoth | beattie: only whats in the service manual |
| 08:42.06 | kergoth | beattie: and thats only under NDA, not released publically |
| 08:42.16 | beattie | rats |
| 08:42.28 | jurrie_ | hmmmm, thought I re-installed the testing version but apparently that didn't happen as I have v1.14-1 once again |
| 08:42.42 | kergoth | jurrie_: remove it, reinstall |
| 08:42.52 | jurrie_ | did that |
| 08:43.30 | jurrie_ | doing it again... double checking that it's coming from "testing" |
| 08:43.58 | jurrie_ | still fetching it from unstable... odd |
| 08:44.02 | kergoth | not odd. |
| 08:44.07 | beattie | given the block digrams we would need some internal info to find the right bits that connect to the mmc socket |
| 08:44.15 | kergoth | it'll pull the latest available version regardless of source |
| 08:44.18 | kergoth | beattie: yes. |
| 08:44.24 | kergoth | beattie: i am aware of that |
| 08:44.34 | kergoth | beattie: even if i have the information here, i'm under NDA |
| 08:44.41 | kergoth | beattie: need to send an email to sharp regarding it |
| 08:44.52 | kergoth | beattie: they should be willing, considering it will improve OZ, and hence improve the platform |
| 08:44.55 | jurrie_ | so how can I force it to yank the 1.13-12 version isntead? |
| 08:45.08 | kergoth | jurrie_: i dont know if you can. just wget the damn thing |
| 08:45.40 | beattie | unfortunately the logic does not always work, makes not sense to me |
| 08:46.37 | beattie | I signed and NDA that allowed me to write and release code for OpenSource OS's so I wrote a library that implemented everything |
| 08:46.52 | beattie | that was for a camera |
| 08:49.07 | kergoth | okay i'm going to bed, ttyl |
| 08:49.16 | beattie | night kergoth |
| 08:49.36 | kergoth | beattie: you ever get it booted? :) |
| 08:50.03 | beattie | not yet |
| 08:56.23 | jurrie_ | OK... old sdmmc loaded and things seem better |
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| 09:35.57 | lsmith | hoi |
| 09:36.49 | lsmith | anyone else having problems with sdmmc in the unstable feed? |
| 09:51.58 | Davv | lsmith: Yes.. had problems. I reverted back to the one that came in oz31rc1. |
| 09:52.08 | lsmith | yeah me too |
| 09:52.12 | lsmith | ok |
| 09:52.38 | Davv | lsmith: I have all other 'unstable' packages installed.. excpet the sdmmc |
| 09:52.52 | Davv | lsmith: all = all the ones that I use. :) |
| 09:52.56 | lsmith | me too |
| 09:57.06 | Davv | Anyone know of a way to make the Z touchscreen more sensitive when it comes to taps? If I tap too fast it does not register. It needs to be a slow, calm tap. Any ideas? |
| 10:02.16 | hunger | Hi there. |
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| 10:34.30 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
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| 11:30.36 | TheMasterMind1 | hey guys |
| 11:31.42 | jcsitte | hi ya |
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| 12:01.29 | lsmith | aloha |
| 12:02.20 | hschurig | hi |
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| 12:15.05 | Dilb | hi |
| 12:15.32 | troffasky | anyone know where I can get ipkgs of kinkatta? |
| 12:16.26 | nobse | troffasky: zsi |
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| 12:20.18 | troffasky | ? |
| 12:21.10 | troffasky | ah zaurus software index |
| 12:21.17 | nobse | jupp |
| 12:38.53 | troffasky | is it just me, or are the icons in kinkatta ridiculously large? |
| 12:39.21 | troffasky | like the buddy info icon is 1x1" on my zaurus screen |
| 12:40.02 | chouimat | morning |
| 12:42.51 | schurig | moin |
| 12:43.15 | chouimat | schurig: leaving in about 1hr |
| 12:44.57 | schurig | chouimat: good luck. You will then be about 600 km from my living :-) |
| 12:45.27 | chouimat | schurig: I must go to montreal before (250KM) |
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| 12:48.35 | kolla | hehe... "The character of Elrond was based on Agent Smith from The Matrix." |
| 12:48.37 | kolla | indeed :) |
| 12:49.01 | kolla | "Plot Hole No. 273." Even with all that walking and light eating, the character of Sam only got fatter. |
| 12:49.10 | chouimat | hmmm but Elrond was created before the Matrix |
| 12:49.57 | kolla | another one that is uncapable of recognising jokes? |
| 12:50.14 | chouimat | kolla: it's 8h00am |
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| 12:58.50 | kolla | chouimat: sorry.. I was actually pasting to wrong #.. :) |
| 12:59.30 | chouimat | kolla: :) |
| 13:10.20 | mark | which signal is sent to processes on suspend? |
| 13:13.04 | mark | and which tree does lirc work in? |
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| 13:31.29 | tomtrath | query ibot |
| 13:31.48 | schurig | tomtrath: try ibot query |
| 13:31.52 | schurig | ibot query |
| 13:31.53 | | schurig: are you smoking crack? |
| 13:32.26 | schurig | ibot: seen tomtrath |
| 13:32.27 | | tomtrath is currently on #openzaurus (6m 37s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 58s |
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| 13:35.31 | mrwoody | what is this: ipkg_conf_set_option: Unrecognized option: proxy_username=<username> |
| 13:35.31 | mrwoody | ipkg_conf_set_option: Unrecognized option: proxy_password=<password> |
| 13:37.38 | schurig | mrwoody: uncomment them in /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 13:38.18 | schurig | For some proxies you need a username/password to get throuught, e.g. in companies where only some people are allowed to surf. Some ipkg can handle this, some not. |
| 13:40.03 | mrwoody | i see...thx |
| 13:40.49 | chouimat | hey mrwoody |
| 13:41.27 | mrwoody | chouimat: hi! |
| 13:43.37 | mrwoody | did anyone try motocross_demo |
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| 14:48.25 | ciaolinux | morning |
| 14:48.56 | troffasky | for you, yes |
| 14:50.17 | ciaolinux | hopefully! :-) |
| 14:50.21 | ciaolinux | what the hell is this: |
| 14:50.23 | ciaolinux | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=803 |
| 14:50.49 | troffasky | a test? |
| 14:51.09 | troffasky | no, it's spam |
| 14:52.05 | troffasky | send an email to zaurus@killefiz.de |
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| 14:52.17 | kolla | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=801 |
| 14:52.23 | kolla | cute.. correct usage of bluetooth |
| 14:52.28 | benmeyer | don't bother |
| 14:52.33 | benmeyer | he will see it and delete it |
| 14:54.04 | lsmith | anyone following rastermans stuff? |
| 14:54.32 | kolla | E rastermann? |
| 14:54.48 | lsmith | http://www.rasterman.com/pages/news.html |
| 14:55.55 | kolla | so what is it? |
| 14:57.31 | lsmith | not entirely sure ... its not a complete window manager .. |
| 14:58.11 | lsmith | definately some layer between X, qt embedded and what not |
| 14:58.18 | lsmith | and the GUI |
| 14:58.43 | kolla | who needs more layers? |
| 14:58.54 | kolla | too many layers already :) |
| 14:59.14 | lsmith | well it would allow you to write apps that run on X, qt, wince etc |
| 14:59.25 | kolla | again? |
| 14:59.28 | lsmith | and he does some cool stuff generally .. so i am just wondering .. |
| 14:59.40 | kolla | arent there a dozen ways to do that already? |
| 14:59.47 | lsmith | dont ask me this stuff .. i dont know either :-) |
| 14:59.51 | kolla | :) |
| 15:01.00 | kolla | but this is not the "enlightment" raster guy? |
| 15:01.14 | kolla | oh.. it is |
| 15:01.19 | kolla | I just read further down |
| 15:01.36 | kolla | "I haven't stopped on E." |
| 15:03.48 | kolla | he's an OK person, but I never fancied E :) |
| 15:03.59 | kolla | nor gnome :) |
| 15:04.36 | lsmith | hehe |
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| 15:05.05 | aman | anyone alive? |
| 15:05.10 | kolla | but as he says on the page.. it was merely a toy for him, not something he intended to conqueror the world with |
| 15:05.42 | aman | eh? |
| 15:06.53 | kolla | aman: god, humans |
| 15:06.58 | lsmith | hrhr |
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| 15:07.03 | troffasky | lol |
| 15:08.38 | schurig | aman: very alive |
| 15:08.45 | aman | heh |
| 15:08.55 | aman | tell kergoth to read his botmail when he shows up |
| 15:09.04 | aman | i'll bbl |
| 15:11.29 | schurig | what is botmail? |
| 15:12.43 | sandman_ | ~message for schurig: this is a botmail |
| 15:13.22 | sandman_ | schurig: ~botmail next to read it |
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| 15:14.17 | schurig | sandman_: and how would I read it if I come back online? |
| 15:15.34 | sandman_ | schurig: ?? if you join a channel, ibot will tell you that you have botmail |
| 15:16.02 | sandman_ | ibot holds the message until you read it |
| 15:16.03 | | sandman_: are you smoking crack? |
| 15:16.16 | sandman_ | ~lart ibot |
| 15:16.30 | sandman_ | damn :) |
| 15:17.09 | schurig | ~message for hschurig: test for dumb people |
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| 15:17.46 | ljp_work | there is a way to check for botmail too |
| 15:18.17 | hschurig | I had a private /msg window to ibot open, ibot told me about the message there (In case you wonder why you didn't see anything) |
| 15:20.03 | hschurig | Hmm, ibot's help doesn't tell about "strange" or "botmail". Or I'm not only dumb, but blind too :-) |
| 15:20.11 | hschurig | s/strange/strangle/ |
| 15:23.37 | Cloudchaser | hi everyone.., i want to wish you all a safe and happy holiday!! |
| 15:25.24 | ljp_work | why? |
| 15:25.47 | ljp_work | what if I want to be unhappy for the holidays? |
| 15:25.54 | kolla | ljp_work: must be some hidden agenda behind it :) |
| 15:26.09 | kolla | Cloudchaser: thank you, and same to you :) |
| 15:26.20 | ljp_work | ahh she just is bucking for a stable OZ ! |
| 15:26.34 | kolla | hence the nick :) |
| 15:27.28 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 15:27.40 | Cloudchaser | i'm heading south for christmas with the family |
| 15:27.55 | kolla | me too |
| 15:28.04 | kolla | 10 hours on the bus |
| 15:28.13 | kolla | through a blizzard |
| 15:28.14 | Cloudchaser | we have 26 hours in the car |
| 15:28.17 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 15:28.23 | Cloudchaser | where are you going to/from? |
| 15:28.33 | kolla | trondheim to førde, both located in norway :) |
| 15:28.40 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 15:28.47 | Cloudchaser | i hope you have a wonderful time ;) |
| 15:28.49 | kolla | over the mountains |
| 15:28.58 | kolla | I use to sleep mosto f the time :) |
| 15:29.05 | lsmith | reminds me of the camping trip from florida to north carolina |
| 15:29.12 | troffasky | Cloudchaser_: if you're spending 26 hours in a car, it think it's us that needs to be wishing you a safe holiday |
| 15:29.19 | Cloudchaser | we're going from CT to Florida |
| 15:29.28 | Cloudchaser | but first to massachusetts to pick up my brother |
| 15:29.31 | lsmith | where to in florida? |
| 15:29.36 | Cloudchaser | boca raton |
| 15:29.39 | lsmith | ah .. |
| 15:29.49 | lsmith | my parents have a house in the tampa region |
| 15:29.49 | ljp_work | hmm, I am headed east, probably not more than a few miles, to my parents house at the absolutely latest time I can |
| 15:29.56 | lsmith | palmetto to be more specific |
| 15:30.22 | Cloudchaser | i lived there too |
| 15:30.32 | Cloudchaser | aw ljp |
| 15:30.44 | Cloudchaser | don't get along with them? |
| 15:30.53 | Cloudchaser | my mom's awesome :) |
| 15:31.15 | lsmith | my mom and my step-dad rule! |
| 15:31.17 | lsmith | :-) |
| 15:31.27 | Cloudchaser | my dead's gone.. |
| 15:31.29 | Cloudchaser | er |
| 15:31.32 | Cloudchaser | my dad |
| 15:31.55 | Cloudchaser | but we like my mom's new friend |
| 15:31.58 | lsmith | thats harsh .. my best friends mother died while we were both still in highschool |
| 15:32.07 | Cloudchaser | who is actually her high school sweetheart :) |
| 15:32.13 | lsmith | cancer .. seemed totally unrealistic at the time |
| 15:32.17 | Cloudchaser | :( |
| 15:32.20 | lsmith | and now my mother has breats cancer :-/ |
| 15:32.24 | Cloudchaser | my dad was sick for a long time |
| 15:32.33 | Cloudchaser | oh lsmith: i'm so sorry to hear that |
| 15:33.08 | lsmith | well she got through the first round of treament ... now we just hope that she is safe from any more for as long as possible |
| 15:33.10 | Cloudchaser | i hope she pulls thorugh |
| 15:33.28 | kolla | my mum moved to her own place, so this xmas I'll have to places to visit :) |
| 15:34.34 | lsmith | ok time to head home |
| 15:34.36 | lsmith | laters all |
| 15:34.40 | ljp_work | cloudy: ya, I get along with them fine.. just see them too much |
| 15:35.25 | Cloudchaser | i wish i was living nearer to my mom |
| 15:35.48 | ljp_work | I liked it whan I lived farther away :) |
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| 15:40.01 | troffasky | anyone know the keybindings for qtopiagnuboy? |
| 15:40.50 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:41.10 | Cloudchaser | hey kergoth :) |
| 15:41.13 | mickeyl | mornin' kergoth |
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| 15:49.41 | kergoth | hey cbok |
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| 15:51.33 | cbok | 4:45 am |
| 15:53.22 | kergoth | damn |
| 16:04.20 | ljp_work | damn |
| 16:04.42 | ljp_work | kergoth: wheres the cardctl source? is in in buildroot? |
| 16:05.06 | ljp_work | hmm maybe it';s something in opie that hangs when cardctl runs |
| 16:05.22 | kergoth | ljp_work: pcmcia-cs .. buildroot downloads the source to build |
| 16:06.41 | ljp_work | crap.. I forgot I booted win2k at home, so I can't ssh in.. |
| 16:07.13 | ljp_work | I need to get cygwin sshd working there |
| 16:08.07 | kergoth | gah! |
| 16:08.15 | kergoth | ljp_work: cygwin w/ sshd rocks :) |
| 16:13.39 | ljp_work | I went into office depot to get replacement stylus'.. I asked the first worker that I saw , I am looking for a pda stylus, do you kow where they are?" and he said "whats a stylus?" |
| 16:13.52 | kergoth | haha |
| 16:13.53 | kergoth | fun |
| 16:14.13 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 16:14.18 | ljp_work | duh |
| 16:14.26 | ljp_work | hello? McFry!? |
| 16:16.33 | ljp_work | I was hoping the tip wasnt a cheap plastic one.. but its the same tip as my 5000d ones |
| 16:17.31 | ljp_work | why would running cardctl from konsole hang the gui.. |
| 16:20.58 | ljp_work | well?! |
| 16:21.10 | ljp_work | ideas? |
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| 16:22.11 | kergoth | heh, no idea man |
| 16:22.12 | kergoth | hey Onyx4 |
| 16:22.28 | Onyx4 | morning |
| 16:24.39 | ljp_work | even when using oprocess for the cardctl calls, it hangs for a bit |
| 16:25.07 | ljp_work | so, I am going to check out cardctl and see if I can ruin it |
| 16:25.51 | hardwire | mornin |
| 16:26.19 | kergoth | brb |
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| 16:28.51 | hardwire | blah |
| 16:30.39 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: hi! ... any news about pcmcia-cs? |
| 16:32.01 | Onyx4 | kergoth hasn't replied afaik to david hins |
| 16:32.18 | Onyx4 | he needs some info on our hardware/software infrastrucutre |
| 16:33.04 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: how many cards seem not to work with it? |
| 16:33.30 | Onyx4 | hard to say, i think the viking is popular for this problem, but someone had a different card and seeing it too |
| 16:34.03 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: is there a different voltage, or something like that in the viking? |
| 16:34.19 | Onyx4 | I doubt it, can you do cardctl ident ? |
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| 16:34.54 | ljp_work | hmm cardctl uses system() |
| 16:35.16 | Onyx4 | or carctl config maybe? |
| 16:35.32 | Onyx4 | if Vcc=3.3 |
| 16:36.02 | ljp_work | hmm and ioctls |
| 16:36.02 | kergoth | Onyx4: if all goes well keyboard will be done today |
| 16:36.07 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: yes |
| 16:36.24 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: 3.3V |
| 16:36.32 | Onyx4 | i'm hoping that with a new ide-cs module, maybe this will be fixed or a new pcmcia in the kernel |
| 16:36.48 | Onyx4 | cause I think cardmgr is just getting a false event from the device |
| 16:36.55 | Onyx4 | so it just does what it's supposed to |
| 16:36.55 | kergoth | Onyx4: unless you want to port the collie stuff tot he modules in pcmcia-cs, you'll be waiting for me from the new kernel |
| 16:37.02 | kergoth | Onyx4: cardmgr doesnt get events from the device. |
| 16:37.12 | kergoth | Onyx4: it gets events from the kernel |
| 16:37.15 | kergoth | just to clarify |
| 16:37.17 | Onyx4 | I mean from the socket driver ? |
| 16:37.22 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:37.28 | kergoth | add debugging |
| 16:37.30 | Onyx4 | that's what david hind said |
| 16:38.09 | Onyx4 | finding what piece controls the event trigger would be a clue |
| 16:38.55 | kergoth | i'm not touching any of this for a couple weeks, so its all on you guys :) |
| 16:39.28 | Onyx4 | but you are working on porting all of 2.4.19 to work as 2.4.6 does right? |
| 16:39.43 | Onyx4 | so maybe it'll fix itself with a new kernel? |
| 16:39.44 | kergoth | Onyx4: I dont understand the question. |
| 16:39.51 | kergoth | Onyx4: I'm ensuring we have 100% functionality |
| 16:39.55 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 16:40.03 | Onyx4 | but you mean that you're not investigating pcmcia |
| 16:40.10 | Onyx4 | just doing the kernel right |
| 16:40.25 | kergoth | Onyx4: and for any interface changes into userspace i'll be creating a sharp interface compatibility module so the existing frontlight, buzzer, etc interfaces work |
| 16:40.36 | kergoth | Onyx4: right. I'm solely in kernel space right now, you guys can work on the rest |
| 16:40.50 | Onyx4 | if you could just reply to david at least to give him and me some understanding of how the pcmcia work in terms of kernel and hardware, that'd give us enough to start I think |
| 16:41.28 | kergoth | pcmcia's code is convoluted at best |
| 16:41.50 | kergoth | but you should read 1) cardmgr code, 2) cardctl code, and 3) the sa1100 pcmcia driver, and 4) bits of the core pcmcia stuff |
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| 16:42.27 | beattie | is there a simple terminal emulation program, like tip for linux |
| 16:42.38 | kergoth | beattie: well.. theres always 'cu' from the uucp package |
| 16:42.48 | kergoth | beattie: cu -l /dev/ttyS0 -s 115200 :) |
| 16:42.57 | beattie | thanks taht should do it |
| 16:43.07 | kergoth | beattie: myself, I use a -really really- simply serial app, doesnt do terminal emulation .. but its very nice for quick and dirty testing |
| 16:43.15 | kergoth | beattie: if you want it, i can mail it your way |
| 16:43.43 | beattie | let me try cu first |
| 16:43.46 | kergoth | at least, i dont think it does actual terminal emulation .. /me shrugs |
| 16:44.06 | kergoth | beattie: cool, that should work fine. i use that to assist customers in debugging regularly. i do unix support for a serial communications company |
| 16:44.32 | ljp_work | cereal communications? |
| 16:44.45 | ljp_work | loke cap'n crunch? |
| 16:44.49 | ljp_work | like |
| 16:45.10 | beattie | the original phreaker |
| 16:45.16 | kergoth | right! this is kergoth talking to you via my cinnemon toast crunch, come in.. |
| 16:45.36 | DaJoker | mood? |
| 16:45.39 | ljp_work | Powdered Toast Man! |
| 16:45.41 | DaJoker | I thought that was normal |
| 16:45.42 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 16:45.45 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 16:49.05 | kergoth | ljp_work: different pcmcia-cs version maybe? |
| 16:49.07 | kergoth | odd |
| 16:50.17 | lsmith | kergoth, fyi: it seems i am not the only one that is having problems with sdmmc in unstable .. devv (iirc) also had problems with it |
| 16:50.23 | kergoth | i know |
| 16:50.30 | kergoth | havent had a chance to fix |
| 16:50.40 | lsmith | k, np .. |
| 16:50.53 | kergoth | lsmith: first thing, mv /etc/init.d/init /etc/init.d/sd |
| 16:50.54 | beattie | success, I'm talking to the 2.4.29 kerne' |
| 16:50.56 | kergoth | beyond that, dunno offhand |
| 16:51.03 | kergoth | beattie: s/29/19/ :) |
| 16:51.05 | kergoth | beattie: glad to hear it |
| 16:51.27 | beattie | s/kerne'/kernel |
| 16:51.47 | kergoth | :) |
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| 16:57.11 | Dessimat0r | ZaurusZone is getting updated less fruqently these days, and with less new software :/ |
| 16:57.20 | Dessimat0r | * frequently |
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| 16:57.28 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: you mena its feed? |
| 16:57.35 | Dessimat0r | ZSI |
| 16:57.37 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 17:16.51 | hardwire | don't trust people that apologize well.. |
| 17:16.52 | kergoth | hardwire: dare i ask? |
| 17:16.55 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:16.58 | kergoth | thats funny |
| 17:17.05 | hardwire | my roomate is the best apologizer in the world |
| 17:17.10 | hardwire | cause he has lots and lots of practice |
| 17:17.17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:17.17 | hardwire | he also steals my cheese |
| 17:17.21 | kergoth | hm, bastard |
| 17:17.24 | hardwire | yeh |
| 17:17.26 | hardwire | ohj |
| 17:17.29 | hardwire | and this is the worst |
| 17:17.38 | hardwire | I got him a gig doing web design for a personal friend |
| 17:17.47 | hardwire | he took half of the money up front |
| 17:17.51 | hardwire | then did nothing for 3 months |
| 17:18.00 | hardwire | and I am still waiting for him to do something on that site |
| 17:18.12 | hardwire | he apologizes REALLY well |
| 17:18.20 | hardwire | </vent> |
| 17:18.33 | hardwire | this is the only place I can p ublically vent.. he is on all the other channels .. heh |
| 17:18.45 | schurig | kergoth: Hmm, in familiar/dist/ipkg/C/ is no configure.in ... how did it compile? |
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| 17:20.53 | hardwire | AUGH |
| 17:21.05 | hardwire | and I work from home.. I appreciate having bandwidth |
| 17:21.12 | hardwire | he is downloading the LOTR TT screenrip |
| 17:21.14 | hardwire | 9 times |
| 17:21.18 | hardwire | from different places |
| 17:21.21 | hardwire | MOTHER FUCKER! |
| 17:21.54 | schurig | what's the difference between configure.in and configure.ac ? |
| 17:22.08 | kergoth | schurig: configure.ac is used by newer autoconf |
| 17:23.14 | schurig | kergoth: that's weird. Some packages in OZ need the old autoconf, some the new. But there is only one AUTOCONF var in Vars.make |
| 17:23.42 | kergoth | schurig: you know of builds that fail with new autoconf? |
| 17:23.47 | kergoth | schurig: new autoconf can load a configure.in as well |
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| 17:25.18 | schurig | kergoth: I had a AUTOCONF=autoconf-2.5x in the def-vars/mandrake82. And some packages did not compile, i think it were 3 packages. Hmm, let me think...I think it was diff, pcmcia-cs and maybe atd. Not sure however. |
| 17:25.29 | Laze | kergoth: Just read your post on the zaurus board - looks great - can't wait for the new kernel. |
| 17:25.59 | kergoth | schurig: hmm. so we need a AUTOCONF-new and AUTOCONF-old, and export AUTOCONF=.. in the package makefiles for old autoconf |
| 17:26.12 | kergoth | schurig: set AUTOCONF=$(AUTOCONF-new) as a sane default. right? |
| 17:26.33 | schurig | I think so. |
| 17:27.09 | schurig | I'd just name them AUTOCONF for the normal one and AUTOCONF_OLD for the old one |
| 17:27.22 | kergoth | yeah, that works |
| 17:27.22 | schurig | normal=new nowadays |
| 17:27.38 | kergoth | course we'll have to update our distro configs |
| 17:27.41 | kergoth | cool |
| 17:30.04 | schurig | kergoth: I had trouble with the sources* system when it had several ; in it. The ; came because of ifdef TARGET_whatever endif, which we did not had in history. |
| 17:30.31 | schurig | kergoth: Eventually I was so fucked up that I wrote my own implementation, which is command-line compatible to the old one. It is just, as I think, clearer. |
| 17:30.49 | schurig | And it's only one file with just 374 lines. And not even with lot's of perl blackmagic. |
| 17:31.01 | kergoth | schurig: hehe. good. i was planning on a rewrite eventually regardless |
| 17:31.40 | schurig | My plan is to begin from an empty buildroot (just after bk clone), but with this new one. When it compiles all the stuff, I will put it into the BitKeeper. |
| 17:31.57 | Onyx4 | I just put mooview in bk |
| 17:32.00 | Onyx4 | it works on OZ |
| 17:32.16 | schurig | I can also already put it in there, just with a different name, e.g. just with "sources" (without pl). So you can have a look. |
| 17:32.21 | kergoth | god i hate fixing patch rejects |
| 17:32.22 | kergoth | i really do |
| 17:32.24 | kergoth | dunno why |
| 17:32.54 | schurig | Onyx4: one package a day keeps the devil away :-) |
| 17:33.07 | Onyx4 | does xine-lib works? |
| 17:33.08 | schurig | Or was it prayer? |
| 17:33.29 | Onyx4 | I guess that's for compiling our own op2 :) |
| 17:36.52 | kergoth | man bk changes -v takes a while on a big repos |
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| 17:49.20 | aiban | hello. all the Japanese guys are asleep, so this is the most related channel I could find for this question: What do you think about Sony and Matushita developing on Linux and what has happened to Tron? |
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| 17:55.30 | schurig | kergoth: I just pushed the new getsource. You can activate it in your Vars.local if you want. |
| 18:04.28 | kergoth | schurig: hehe |
| 18:04.52 | schurig | But it's mostly a test for the new getsource |
| 18:04.56 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:05.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:05.14 | kergoth | i shouldv eknown better than to email LAK regarding the bl/fl situation |
| 18:05.23 | kergoth | I always end up volunteering my ass for things |
| 18:05.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:05.27 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:05.59 | schurig | kergoth: I had sometimes good feedback there. Hmm, whenever I post things there and get later the message back I realize how bad my english is :-) |
| 18:06.08 | kergoth | schurig: hehe |
| 18:06.43 | schurig | fortuntely Russel only get's angry on the ten-thousandth question of "How must I set ZBOOTRAM" :-) |
| 18:06.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:06.48 | troffasky | aiban: Is this a news-related story? URL? |
| 18:07.04 | schurig | troffasky: wrong channel |
| 18:07.31 | schurig | troffasky: sorry, not wrong. I just hadn's seen aibans msg above |
| 18:07.52 | schurig | troffasky: slashdot.org |
| 18:08.32 | troffasky | schurig: found it on news.google.com |
| 18:09.02 | schurig | kergoth: hmm, ipkg-x86 has been compiled already, so the CVS and PATCH functions of getsource worked at least one in real-life. Now it get's the kernel ... |
| 18:09.10 | kergoth | schurig: glad to hear it :) |
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| 18:09.18 | schurig | 87.5 kB/s is nice |
| 18:10.08 | kergoth | okay *focus* kergoth, get the keyboard driver done, -then- work on backlight/frontlight |
| 18:10.17 | kergoth | heh |
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| 18:14.32 | schurig | found the first bug :-) |
| 18:14.51 | schurig | But not in getsource, but in Vars.make. Fix already pushed. |
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| 18:15.36 | victorvdl | Where does zremote come from? |
| 18:16.00 | schurig | lirc |
| 18:16.18 | victorvdl | Ok. |
| 18:16.58 | schurig | Ok, I'm off. Byebye |
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| 18:22.01 | victorvdl | K. Flashed to OZ3.1rc1 a few days ago. OZ is really really really really cool. ;-) |
| 18:22.14 | victorvdl | (like I need to tell y'all that) |
| 18:23.34 | victorvdl | Noticed a bug in opie, though. When an app ain't responding and tell opie to kill it, opie gets an emotional hangup about the death and commits suicide. ;-) |
| 18:24.06 | victorvdl | s/tell/you tell |
| 18:25.35 | troffasky | my opie seems to get emotional hangups about installing packages ;) |
| 18:26.32 | Onyx4 | that's cause of jffs2 |
| 18:26.42 | Onyx4 | should be solved by moving to 2.4.19 |
| 18:27.17 | kergoth | victorvdl: thats fixed |
| 18:27.27 | kergoth | victorvdl: in cvs anyway, not sure if its in the unstable feed yet |
| 18:30.23 | victorvdl | kergoth: unfortunately, my connection is almost always over a HTTP proxy. And I still haven't figured out a way of getting cvs over that... |
| 18:31.23 | aiban | troffasky, here is a link to an article: http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1039523785796 |
| 18:32.38 | troffasky | quote: "We are not forming an alliance to compete against Microsoft,", IOW, they are. |
| 18:33.28 | troffasky | I guess it's better than them using some closed proprietary OS |
| 18:33.31 | aiban | yep, I mean we're talking Sony, here |
| 18:33.51 | troffasky | aiban: although, if it's anything like what Sharp did.... |
| 18:34.02 | aiban | what did they do? |
| 18:34.25 | troffasky | aiban: they'll be laying the foundations for an open source project to come and finish off the job properly ;-) |
| 18:35.07 | aiban | is that like Open Office -> Star Office, or different? |
| 18:35.44 | troffasky | no I think a more applicable example would be Zaurus -> OpenZaurus+OPIE |
| 18:37.24 | aiban | so what, you have the open source project, but then the company puts some proprietary code (dunno, drivers?) that prevent you from just loading openzaurus on your Zaurus? |
| 18:37.39 | kergoth | aiban: eh? |
| 18:37.58 | kergoth | aiban: um, the binary only pieces in no way prevent the use of openzaurus |
| 18:38.04 | aiban | dunno that much about openzaurus yet, sorry . . . |
| 18:38.16 | kergoth | aiban: read the overview and faq. |
| 18:38.27 | aiban | ok |
| 18:38.36 | mark | anyone ported open office to the Z yet? |
| 18:38.41 | kergoth | ~lart mark |
| 18:38.57 | mark | hehe |
| 18:39.30 | Dragonny | heh, I'd settle for something like hancom word with just a few extras like spell check.. |
| 18:39.47 | mark | kergoth: is the kernel source that you're working on in the bk tree? |
| 18:39.52 | troffasky | aiban: No, I mean Sharp were well intentioned, but released something that wasn't quite ready for the primetime. Several free projects have appeared and are/have closing/closed the gap |
| 18:40.22 | kergoth | mark: yep |
| 18:40.25 | kergoth | mark: linux-cl.bkbits.net |
| 18:40.32 | kergoth | mark: linux-arm-2.4-collie is the repos |
| 18:40.39 | kergoth | mark: assuming you mean the 2.4.19 |
| 18:41.08 | mark | kergoth: I do - I fancy having a read, although I can never seem to get my head round kernel sources |
| 18:41.34 | kergoth | mark: try getting your head around small pieces at a time |
| 18:41.44 | kergoth | mark: for example read arch/arm/* and stay out of drivers for a bit |
| 18:41.50 | kergoth | a lot of hte drivers are crap :) |
| 18:45.11 | mark | kergoth: heh |
| 18:45.20 | kergoth | reading linux device drivers is good too |
| 18:45.20 | mark | kergoth: I thought you were meant to be doing something about that? |
| 18:45.35 | kergoth | mark: heh. i can fix Z sutff, i'm not fixing the whole kernel |
| 18:45.37 | kergoth | mark: ;) |
| 18:46.21 | mark | kergoth: slacker! |
| 18:47.13 | victorvdl | ~lart mark |
| 18:47.25 | victorvdl | ;-) |
| 18:49.05 | mark | now to work out how to use bk |
| 18:49.35 | kergoth | mark: bk clone http://linux-cl.bkbits.net/linux-arm-2.4-collie; cd linux-arm-2.4-collie; bk -r edit -q; |
| 18:50.26 | mark | kergoth: cheers |
| 18:52.33 | benmeyer | X11 over ssh has to be one of the coolest technolodies |
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| 18:53.27 | mark | benmeyer: yeah, its brilliant. the first time I did i just thought 'wow' |
| 18:54.19 | benmeyer | yah screw webmail, just ssh into home and launch kmail |
| 18:55.01 | benmeyer | eh, I have become fond of KMail |
| 18:55.47 | mark | gah, Carol Singers |
| 18:55.48 | benmeyer | And I look forward to what they are working on with KGroupware etc |
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| 19:12.20 | mark | kergoth: this stuff is hurting my head :) |
| 19:12.25 | kergoth | mark: hehe |
| 19:13.15 | mark | ouch even the battery stuff is well over 1000 lines |
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| 19:17.02 | mark | kergoth: is the lineo code of a poor or good quality? |
| 19:17.43 | mark | and what is the TC35143? |
| 19:18.33 | kergoth | mark: poor. and tc35143af is a toshiba analog frontend |
| 19:18.48 | kergoth | mark: used to control a few thigns.. battery status checking, touchscreen, mic in, buzzer out .. |
| 19:19.19 | mark | kergoth: right. i'm just trying to understand where the EXCELLENT/GOOD/POOR/CRITICAL battery status limitation comes from |
| 19:19.48 | victorvdl | OZ3.1rc1 has percentage... |
| 19:19.49 | kergoth | mark: that limitation no longer exists. |
| 19:19.53 | kergoth | mark: upgrade. |
| 19:20.44 | mark | eek :) - is that code in this 2.4.19 tree? |
| 19:21.23 | kergoth | mark: not as of yet, no. |
| 19:21.31 | mark | kergoth: ah right |
| 19:24.08 | mark | kergoth: eeek @ collie_buzzer.c |
| 19:24.25 | kergoth | mark: you'll be eeeking alot. |
| 19:24.45 | kergoth | mark: look in working/ .. thats the lineo patches that arent applied atm |
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| 19:29.26 | brontos | is there not a package for chess on openzaurus? |
| 19:29.33 | benmeyer | knights |
| 19:29.34 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 19:29.35 | kergoth | brontos: go buy knights |
| 19:29.40 | kergoth | or build it |
| 19:29.49 | benmeyer | support the author and buy it |
| 19:30.00 | mark | brontos: there is some java chess software kicking about iirc |
| 19:30.10 | brontos | hmm ok |
| 19:32.01 | mark | brontos: http://www.houseoffish.org/knights/ -- wow this looks good. hehe :) |
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| 19:34.31 | schurig|home | seen already http://www.trolltech.com/developer/download/qsa.html |
| 19:35.01 | benmeyer | what is qsa? |
| 19:35.26 | schurig|home | A scripting language simular to JavaScript for Qt-Applications. Scripted Opie ... |
| 19:35.53 | benmeyer | ah, cute |
| 19:36.14 | schurig|home | It was actually on dot.kde.org: http://dot.kde.org/1040319889/ |
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| 20:02.16 | schurig|home | STP? |
| 20:02.54 | ljp_work | Stone Temple Pilots |
| 20:10.27 | ljp_work | woot! |
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| 20:18.07 | prpplague | kergoth: ping |
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| 20:23.05 | SlickNik | 15H14ello all... |
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| 20:23.14 | SlickNik | just had a quick question... |
| 20:23.21 | SlickNik | anyone here? |
| 20:23.32 | veritas | i am. |
| 20:23.48 | veritas | i am too |
| 20:24.06 | veritas | so... |
| 20:24.22 | benmeyer | me too |
| 20:24.33 | veritas | oshit. somone else is here. |
| 20:24.40 | veritas | apparently he's goine now. |
| 20:24.43 | veritas | gone. |
| 20:24.53 | benmeyer | to the edge of space... |
| 20:24.54 | veritas | ()&)#(&$%()#*$ bahh. need cigarette. |
| 20:25.38 | SlickNik | has anyone got opera working under openzaurus? |
| 20:27.20 | schurig|home | SlickNik: I heard somethink like this somethere ... |
| 20:27.28 | schurig|home | Opera and Hancom,both are running. |
| 20:31.33 | SlickNik | really? |
| 20:31.39 | SlickNik | does anyone know hoe? |
| 20:31.42 | SlickNik | how? |
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| 20:32.19 | SlickNik | I used operacreator, but the icons don't show up.. |
| 20:32.52 | kergoth | prpplague: pong |
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| 20:34.27 | schurig|home | kergoth: boing |
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| 20:40.54 | beattie | kergoth: is there something in 2.4.19 you like to have somebody take on, or should I just look at working/ and the todo |
| 20:42.12 | prpplague | kergoth: nm |
| 20:42.13 | kergoth | beattie: I'm on keyboard right now.. backlight/frontlight as well, lets see. The next step is likely to make the alterations to the ucb1x00 drivers so that they work with the tc34143af (i.e. the chip version check, etc), as that chip is needed for a number of other bits |
| 20:45.27 | beattie | kergoth: ok where are those bits? |
| 20:45.34 | ljp_work | everything |
| 20:46.54 | kergoth | beattie: tc35143af handles mic input, buzzer output, touchscreen, etc |
| 20:47.25 | ljp_work | god, I'm half suprised they dont have the battery power going through that |
| 20:47.31 | kergoth | beattie: first step is to enable MCP and ucb1x00 in the build, and add debug info, and watch it fail :) |
| 20:47.49 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 20:48.03 | ljp_work | kergoth: you using a serial cable? |
| 20:48.05 | beattie | kergoth: enable in .config? |
| 20:48.10 | kergoth | ljp_work: yep |
| 20:48.12 | kergoth | beattie: yep |
| 20:48.20 | beattie | kergoth: ok |
| 20:48.58 | kergoth | beattie: you need MCP to enable ucb1x00, as thats the means by which we communicate with it. you'll see many references to TC35143af even in arch/arm/mach-sa1100/collie*, but of course its hard to say how we can ensure the chip is up and running that early in the boot process, since mcp and ucb1x00 are in drivers.. |
| 20:49.47 | beattie | kergoth: I see ucb1200 |
| 20:49.53 | kergoth | beattie: yep |
| 20:50.03 | kergoth | beattie: same driver for ucb1200 and ucb1300 |
| 20:50.14 | schurig|home | kergoth: and ucb1400 |
| 20:50.21 | kergoth | schurig|home: ;) |
| 20:51.41 | schurig|home | btw: it looks like my replacement for sources* is working. The box is still compiling. The only place it hanged was in diff/Makefile. The tar file extracts to build/diffutils-2.8.1, but the SourceTree= line said build/diff |
| 20:51.54 | beattie | kergoth: in menuconfig, do I want to enable "Support SA1100 MCP interface" |
| 20:52.19 | MSpin | schurig|home: it sounds liek ADS has their xscale board booting to a prompt, but most of their driver are still broke |
| 20:52.31 | schurig|home | I'm directly calling tar xjf / tar xzf / tar xf ... that speeds things up tremendously. But then I cannot easily extra to a different place than in the tarfile. |
| 20:52.54 | schurig|home | MSpin: life can be so bad ... |
| 20:53.00 | schurig|home | MSpin: what drivers do you need? |
| 20:55.26 | MSpin | schurig|home: none, I'm working on one of their normal SA boards |
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| 20:56.25 | hardwire | hmm |
| 20:56.33 | hardwire | just went from 32 megs of ram on this laptop |
| 20:56.34 | hardwire | to 288 |
| 20:56.47 | hardwire | dramatically more powerfull |
| 20:57.01 | beattie | sharp sure did a p*ss poor job of designing the serial cable |
| 20:57.08 | kergoth | beattie: yep |
| 20:57.44 | ljp_work | thats why you need the slim one |
| 20:58.05 | ljp_work | hardiew: how'd yo do that?! |
| 20:58.40 | beattie | ljp_work: probably, but I did not know about it when I bought this one |
| 20:59.00 | hardwire | ljp_work: installed more ram :) |
| 21:00.45 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hey |
| 21:03.57 | ljp_work | hardwire: wow, you must be a leet hackor! |
| 21:04.03 | hardwire | leetness |
| 21:06.08 | ljp_work | crap! I keep forgetting to update opiereader |
| 21:06.55 | mark | ljp_work: gutenbrowser was mentioned in UK's 'what laptop' magazine, fyi |
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| 21:07.16 | ljp_work | ahh, ya, she contacted me.. is there a url perhaps? |
| 21:07.29 | hardwire | just to test it out |
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| 21:08.04 | schurig|home | It stopped at ifupdown. Looks like the orig.tar.gz is broken. |
| 21:08.43 | kergoth | schurig|home: you -are- on a recent gzip right? :) |
| 21:09.21 | schurig|home | kergoth: maybe not. I have the gzip that comes with Mandrake 8.2 Hmm, now that you say it, I've read something about recent gzip in the build doc ... |
| 21:09.49 | kergoth | schurig|home: hehe |
| 21:10.21 | mark | ljp_: no, they're hopeless online wise. i'll get you a photocopy of the bit of text if you want? |
| 21:10.21 | schurig|home | by the way: the build doc talks about this calculator that you need to calc the hex offsets in your kernel. You could do that with perl ... |
| 21:11.01 | dep | schurig|home: had the same problem..its in a build faq somewhere...you need the latest gzip beta |
| 21:11.12 | kergoth | schurig|home: good point. |
| 21:11.26 | dep | the beta has been out for a long time, but mandrake only seems to put 'production' code in |
| 21:11.59 | schurig|home | anyway, it's bed time for me |
| 21:12.05 | kergoth | night schurig|home |
| 21:12.09 | schurig|home | night |
| 21:12.54 | lsmith | anyone got mysql working on their zaurus? |
| 21:14.44 | benmeyer | yah |
| 21:14.51 | benmeyer | www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 21:14.58 | lsmith | hmm |
| 21:15.07 | lsmith | lets see if i have a differnet ipk |
| 21:20.23 | lsmith | hmm yeah thats the version i have |
| 21:20.43 | lsmith | according to the authors site all i have to do is "mysqlstart" |
| 21:20.48 | lsmith | but that fails for me :-/ |
| 21:21.01 | lsmith | hmm lets check it out again |
| 21:21.09 | lsmith | benmeyer: is there some magic you can tell me ..? |
| 21:21.16 | TheMasterMind1 | yo |
| 21:21.24 | benmeyer | sorry, havn't actually played with it in about 6 months |
| 21:21.29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whats with latest buildroot build? |
| 21:21.30 | lsmith | ah :-) |
| 21:21.32 | benmeyer | I know that ti did work |
| 21:22.52 | lsmith | yeah i heard the same .. and i am pretty sure that the author got it to work too :-) |
| 21:22.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ? |
| 21:23.04 | lsmith | hmm maybe the user does not exist |
| 21:23.55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i had a fresh buildroot build with new opie cvs (the stuff i put into ~agupta/unstable) and i did an ipkg upgrade but stuff is all borken. opie starts up not filling the screen vertically and doing anything makes it segfault and keyboard/ts/keys dont work |
| 21:24.48 | lsmith | hmm neither do i have a user deamon nor do i have /var/lib/mysql |
| 21:25.14 | lsmith | can an ipk handle setting up a user account? |
| 21:25.22 | TheMasterMind1 | yes, using postinst |
| 21:25.27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no idea. i havent touched buildroot at all in days. |
| 21:25.35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I'm busy on kernel stuff. |
| 21:25.36 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, i'll look into it |
| 21:25.38 | TheMasterMind1 | hows .19 |
| 21:25.38 | lsmith | hmm .. ok .. so then the mysql ipk seems b0rked |
| 21:26.05 | lsmith | anyone of you guys know someone that is currently using mysql on their zaurus with a recent OZ release? |
| 21:26.11 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 21:26.17 | TheMasterMind1 | i should add mysql to oz buildroot |
| 21:26.19 | TheMasterMind1 | i will someday |
| 21:26.30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: console is rotated .. penguin is right side up |
| 21:26.35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: just about done with keyboard |
| 21:26.35 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: nice. |
| 21:26.40 | lsmith | well i will see if i can get it to work with my limited *nix know how |
| 21:26.44 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm, keyboard in opie as well as arrow keys work.. |
| 21:26.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: playing around with the backligth/frontlight interface, cause lineo's implementation sucks |
| 21:26.57 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: home button causes segfault |
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| 21:26.59 | TheMasterMind1 | very weird |
| 21:27.03 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sweet |
| 21:27.27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: looks like there are two pretty decent implementations for bl/fl right now |
| 21:27.32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: none of which are in rmk's tree |
| 21:27.35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: only seperate patches |
| 21:27.38 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:27.43 | TheMasterMind1 | use the better one :) |
| 21:27.57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so someone has to contact james simmons, the fbcon guy, and decide on a implementation, and push it into rmk's tree |
| 21:28.08 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 21:28.24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: beattie has a serial cable, and has booted 2.4.19 too :) |
| 21:29.21 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sweet.. |
| 21:29.56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: if opie segfaults, i get dropped to console and keyboard is all broken. if i quit out of it, console is usable. the only thing weird about opie is that its not fully vertical and pressing the homekey kills it :) |
| 21:30.22 | kergoth | beattie: we need to figure out where to put the tc35143af setup stuff.. we need to set gpio directions and the like .. i'm leaning towrads doing so in the individual drivers, rather than lineo's 'lets stuff it all in collie_init' approach |
| 21:30.32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if opie crashes hardcore, it cant cleanup after itself |
| 21:30.36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hence the b0rked console |
| 21:30.43 | TheMasterMind1 | yep, that part makes sense |
| 21:30.51 | TheMasterMind1 | the part where it dies and isn't filling the screen doesn't |
| 21:30.53 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:31.28 | beattie | kergoth: I would agree that the drivers is a good place for that |
| 21:32.11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: looks like its an issue with /etc/init.d/opie .. i don't see any chvts in there. and probably the rotation isn't set right cuz it doesn't seem to be patched.. |
| 21:32.42 | TheMasterMind1 | install: cannot create regular file `/home/agupta/buildroot/output/staging/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.0': No such file or directory |
| 21:33.29 | TheMasterMind1 | xine's build fails :) |
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| 21:37.54 | _aloha | hi |
| 21:41.46 | kergoth | takepatch: 291 new revisions, 0 conflicts in 176 files |
| 21:41.47 | kergoth | fun |
| 21:43.19 | _aloha | guys, could you please explain me why is it not possible to flash oz with a flash utility, like sharp does? |
| 21:43.34 | kergoth | _aloha: it is possible. does this mean you're volunteering to write the app? |
| 21:43.40 | kergoth | _aloha: thanks for volunteering, we appreciate it |
| 21:43.53 | _aloha | I'll do my very best :) |
| 21:44.58 | _aloha | no, really. at the page it's said something about crc checks. I didn't get it at all |
| 21:45.15 | kergoth | _aloha: you cant flash any rom but theirs with their app. |
| 21:45.26 | kergoth | _aloha: as it checks a sum to ensure the file is exactly the correct one |
| 21:45.39 | kergoth | _aloha: hardcoded. |
| 21:46.34 | _aloha | ah. I see |
| 21:47.07 | _aloha | maybe it's better to "correct" those values a bit? |
| 21:47.32 | kergoth | eh? |
| 21:47.42 | kergoth | if you think you can, feel free. |
| 21:47.45 | kergoth | good luck |
| 21:47.49 | kergoth | ive got other things to work on |
| 21:48.12 | _aloha | no doubt |
| 21:50.14 | _aloha | ok. it's done |
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| 22:01.11 | boulez | hmm...just tried to flash to OZ and definitely failed.... |
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| 22:06.15 | kergoth | hey Onyx4|work |
| 22:06.27 | Onyx4|work | hi |
| 22:07.56 | Onyx4|work | I want you to go ahead and work on that 2.4.19 kernel mmmmk... great... |
| 22:08.24 | kergoth | "Why dont you go ahead and come back later, K?" |
| 22:08.31 | Onyx4|work | lol |
| 22:19.56 | ibz | ehlo |
| 22:19.58 | ibz | ibot usbnet |
| 22:19.59 | | it has been said that usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 or see windows usbnet for windows support or a patched version is at http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/usbnet/ |
| 22:35.39 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 22:35.40 | kergoth | wtf |
| 22:36.47 | kergoth | how do i remove a changeset from a repos on bkbits? |
| 22:36.48 | kergoth | hmm |
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| 22:37.44 | tronical | 'llo |
| 22:37.50 | kergoth | hey tronical |
| 22:38.02 | mark | tronical! |
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| 22:40.18 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:40.26 | kergoth | i cant push the -removal- of a changeset |
| 22:40.29 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:40.38 | veritas | !msg |
| 22:40.42 | kergoth | grr! |
| 22:40.44 | veritas | poop wrong channel |
| 22:40.56 | kergoth | did he just say poop? |
| 22:40.57 | kergoth | hm |
| 22:41.59 | ljp_work | yes! he said 'poop'! flog him! |
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| 22:42.26 | kergoth | how the hell do i -push- the removal of 2 changesets? |
| 22:42.28 | kergoth | piece of shit |
| 22:42.36 | ||ugh | What is this, the South Park channel? |
| 22:43.12 | kergoth | oh thats right, got i |
| 22:43.14 | kergoth | t |
| 22:43.20 | ljp_work | no, its the beavis and butthead channel |
| 22:43.58 | kergoth | yeah, heh heh heh heh |
| 22:44.34 | mickeyl | re |
| 22:44.40 | kergoth | hey mickeyl |
| 22:44.58 | mickeyl | hiho |
| 22:44.59 | kergoth | grr. the backport of the input layer stuff from 2.5 to 2.4.19 doesnt include the FB changes |
| 22:45.09 | kergoth | so all the fb drivers are borked |
| 22:46.07 | mickeyl | kergoth: how old is that backport? i read on lkml that there's a big set of fb-changes waiting for sync with linus... |
| 22:46.15 | mickeyl | i think it makes sense waiting for this |
| 22:46.26 | kergoth | yep, i know |
| 22:46.31 | kergoth | but stil |
| 22:46.32 | kergoth | l |
| 22:46.33 | kergoth | ah well |
| 22:46.57 | kergoth | i wish i had time to subscribe to lkml |
| 22:47.03 | kergoth | now im just on the ktraffic ml |
| 22:47.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:47.12 | mickeyl | kergoth: hehe :)) me too |
| 22:47.25 | mickeyl | lkml is too verbose |
| 22:47.27 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:47.37 | kergoth | could easily spend 2 hours a day on it, and thats just skimming most of it |
| 22:47.40 | kergoth | nuts |
| 22:48.20 | TheMasterMind1 | back |
| 22:48.22 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new |
| 22:48.27 | mickeyl | yeah... but it's really cool, i guess with enough time one can learn helluva stuff just by lurking and trying to understand what the folks say |
| 22:48.36 | kergoth | mickeyl: oh definately |
| 22:48.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: cursing a bit |
| 22:48.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and then .. cursing some more |
| 22:49.13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:49.16 | TheMasterMind1 | whys that? |
| 22:53.12 | kergoth | ibot: seen schurig* |
| 22:53.15 | | i haven't seen 'schurig*', kergoth |
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| 22:53.21 | kergoth | seen needs wildcard matching |
| 22:56.38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i have a nice keyboard -input layer- driver here, but in 2.4.19 there's no input layer keyboard handler.. |
| 22:56.43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so its useless |
| 22:56.49 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:58.39 | TheMasterMind1 | darn |
| 22:58.49 | kergoth | damnit schurig, i need to figure out which of his patches is creating the handler |
| 22:58.55 | lsmith | night |
| 22:58.57 | kergoth | and most of his patches are on his local drive |
| 22:58.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:59.27 | hardwire | hmm |
| 22:59.32 | hardwire | I need somebody to go in on this with |
| 22:59.33 | hardwire | me |
| 22:59.34 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.35 | hardwire | heh |
| 22:59.49 | hardwire | who wants to help me buy some land with a huge cave on it |
| 23:00.56 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:01.35 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 23:01.38 | kergoth | MSpin: ping |
| 23:01.53 | kergoth | mickeyl: familiar with the input layer? |
| 23:01.58 | Dessimat0r | I want a cave in my land, and a castle |
| 23:02.57 | kergoth | er n/m, i think i got it |
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| 23:04.06 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm i need a fixed init.d/opie |
| 23:04.26 | mickeyl | kergoth: not really - just took a glimpse and decided I don't have the time to really dig into it ;) |
| 23:04.40 | kergoth | mickeyl: its so very spiffy, but i dont know much about it yet |
| 23:04.51 | kergoth | mickeyl: other than how to write a low level driver for it, but not a handler. |
| 23:04.54 | kergoth | hm |
| 23:04.56 | mickeyl | kergoth: what about schurigs patch for qt/e he posted on arm-linux ml ? |
| 23:05.33 | kergoth | mickeyl: ah, i almost forgot about that. thats for it to use the input layer for touchscreen, right? |
| 23:05.54 | mickeyl | kergoth: exactly - don't know what became of this patch |
| 23:05.59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: um. why does our patch for init.d/opie in the buidlroot no longer use chvt? |
| 23:07.27 | TheMasterMind1 | opie-init.d-patch: |
| 23:07.28 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.28 | TheMasterMind1 | i see.. |
| 23:08.03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: busybox chvt was accessing /dev/console instead of /dev/tty |
| 23:08.08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: should be fixed in cvs, feel free to check |
| 23:08.17 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:08.21 | TheMasterMind1 | busybox cvs that is? |
| 23:08.28 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:10.20 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: pressing the home key creates a segfault in libqte "qgList::append()" |
| 23:10.26 | TheMasterMind1 | QGList that is |
| 23:10.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: QGList? which qt/e version are you using? |
| 23:10.53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: qt/e current shapshot caused opie to segfault immediately on execution in QGList::append()..... |
| 23:10.58 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 23:11.10 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought i wiped/rebuilt |
| 23:11.11 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme check |
| 23:11.13 | kergoth | k |
| 23:11.18 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm on beta2 |
| 23:13.32 | kergoth | dunno then, sounds like a qt/e bug |
| 23:21.58 | MSpin | kergoth: pong |
| 23:22.22 | TheMasterMind1 | ping pong ding dong ling long ching chong |
| 23:24.34 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: done yet ;0) |
| 23:25.43 | MSpin | bbiab |
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| 23:45.34 | AndyQ | hi |
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| 23:49.52 | ibz | AndyQ: hi |
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| 23:50.36 | AndyQ | oh my god! |
| 23:50.51 | ibz | question...sfcave, anyway of reversing the background/foreground colours? |
| 23:51.01 | AndyQ | work christms do this evening |
| 23:51.22 | AndyQ | how pissed am I at this point??????? |
| 23:51.30 | ibz | hehe |
| 23:52.00 | AndyQ | ibz: no - not good :( |
| 23:52.27 | AndyQ | headache already - wife pissed off - can;t type properly |
| 23:52.39 | ibz | AndyQ: half-day tomorrow though no? |
| 23:52.59 | AndyQ | ibz: fortunatly working from home tomorrow - thank god!!!!! |
| 23:53.14 | AndyQ | ibz - where is everybody else???? |
| 23:53.17 | ibz | "working"? |
| 23:53.38 | AndyQ | working - PAH! what kind of talk is that??? :) |
| 23:53.53 | ibz | i don't know, i've just been catching up on my email...it's been quiet here |
| 23:54.08 | AndyQ | heh |
| 23:54.17 | ibz | kergoth left the minute before you arrived... |
| 23:55.04 | AndyQ | all I can rememember about this evening is jamming a santa hat on my team leaders head |
| 23:55.24 | AndyQ | well - thats my overriding memory anyway |
| 23:55.32 | AndyQ | wha else did I do??????????? |
| 23:55.34 | ibz | AndyQ: ha. try that when your both sober |
| 23:55.56 | AndyQ | ibz: yeah right! like thats gonna happen |
| 23:56.25 | AndyQ | fortunatly Im not gonna see him til next year :) |
| 23:56.51 | AndyQ | and hopefully he wont remember :) |
| 23:57.36 | ibz | don't you just love this time of the year? no one works hard, and everyone lets their hair down for the office party |
| 23:57.45 | ibz | well most do anyway... |
| 23:57.55 | AndyQ | I so wish I could tyep without havning to fix almost every word :) |
| 23:58.19 | AndyQ | everyone let their hair down tonight :) heheh |
| 23:58.30 | AndyQ | but no gossip for tomorrow unfortunatly |
| 23:59.52 | AndyQ | no coffee cups thrown across rooms this year - no one snogging anyone they shouldn't have |
| 23:59.57 | AndyQ | pah! |