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| 01:07.48 | HMS | hiyas fam fam |
| 01:07.59 | HMS | merry christmas to those who celibrate |
| 01:08.31 | victorvdl | HMS: and to those who don't? ;-) |
| 01:10.25 | HMS | Well... I just say it, and wish it on others... I don't participate. |
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| 01:44.13 | CodeYoddl | Hi. |
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| 02:50.43 | TheMasterMind1 | any windows (l)users here? |
| 02:53.59 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone here actually using it right now |
| 02:54.04 | TheMasterMind1 | i need someone to test some usb stuff |
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| 03:04.11 | TheMasterMind1 | yo |
| 03:04.12 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
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| 05:52.51 | slowhog | Help, my fbvncserver does not accept keyboard & mouse. Display OK. |
| 05:53.24 | slowhog | tssimd and /etc/tssim_cal.conf are there. |
| 05:57.04 | TheMasterMind1 | slowhog did you calibrate |
| 05:58.23 | slowhog | TheMasterMind1: Yes, I did. |
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| 10:44.13 | LordVan | hi |
| 10:44.19 | LordVan | anyone using bluetooth ? |
| 10:44.23 | LordVan | with Z i mean .. |
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| 13:22.30 | Dilb | hi |
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| 17:12.05 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
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| 17:31.56 | pnis | hi |
| 17:32.39 | pnis | ho collie_ssp can be loaded and _unloaded_ as a module now !:) |
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| 18:01.15 | TheMasterMind1 | pnis hey, great job |
| 18:01.19 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds like you're making progress |
| 18:01.59 | twiun | TheMasterMind1: got a few minutes? |
| 18:02.03 | TheMasterMind1 | xyea? |
| 18:02.22 | twiun | wanna dig into your mind a bit ;-) |
| 18:02.31 | TheMasterMind1 | uhoh |
| 18:02.44 | twiun | I've traced my wonka segfaults to the exit function calls in the C code - nothing Qt related at all |
| 18:02.54 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:02.57 | TheMasterMind1 | try _exit(0); |
| 18:03.01 | TheMasterMind1 | instead of return 0; |
| 18:03.02 | TheMasterMind1 | in main() |
| 18:03.06 | twiun | ok |
| 18:03.15 | TheMasterMind1 | it is qt releated, we've noticed this behavior before |
| 18:04.22 | twiun | now, if this works, how would I deal with the "return 0;" call at the end of main? |
| 18:04.27 | twiun | same way? |
| 18:04.45 | TheMasterMind1 | just make it _exit(0); return 0; |
| 18:04.52 | twiun | So, if it's Qt, it installs an exit handler? |
| 18:05.10 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 18:05.13 | twiun | oh? that's the kind of thing the java compiler would choke on (unreachable statement and all) |
| 18:05.18 | TheMasterMind1 | i have no idea what that is or does, i just know it fixes the problem |
| 18:05.36 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, yea that works just fine in C |
| 18:06.59 | twiun | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 18:07.08 | twiun | that solved it |
| 18:07.32 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: thanks, yes some progress |
| 18:08.50 | TheMasterMind1 | twiun wonderful |
| 18:08.59 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: btw is the cf card functional already in 2.4.19 ? |
| 18:09.07 | TheMasterMind1 | no, not yet |
| 18:09.09 | TheMasterMind1 | its getting there |
| 18:09.29 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: all right. the Z is my only cf reader, so I will have to wait for that |
| 18:10.11 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: are you the one working on it by any chance? |
| 18:11.00 | twiun | ibot: TheMasterMind1++ |
| 18:11.16 | TheMasterMind1 | pnis nah, i tried but it was beyond me. kergoth's working on it |
| 18:11.26 | TheMasterMind1 | twiun sounds like it works now :) |
| 18:11.28 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: I see, that's cool |
| 18:11.41 | twiun | TheMasterMind1: it no longer segfaults because of Qt ;-) |
| 18:11.49 | TheMasterMind1 | twiun great |
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| 18:11.51 | twiun | TheMasterMind1: I passed on the info to the guys in #qt |
| 18:12.02 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: as a matter of fact I don't quite know what I am doing yet either - trial and error atm :) |
| 18:12.14 | TheMasterMind1 | pnis you should try that too with xmms-e, the _exit(0); will probably stop that segfault on close |
| 18:12.32 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: I forget to do it, I will try it |
| 18:12.47 | pnis | forget=forgot |
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| 18:17.49 | pnis | i committed the fix to xmms cvs, but I will have to test it later |
| 18:18.34 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 18:21.08 | TheMasterMind1 | twiun so what can wonka do now? |
| 18:25.47 | twiun | show the help syntax and run command-line java stuff without a segfault ;-) |
| 18:25.59 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 18:26.15 | twiun | as for gui stuff, it can load drugmoney without crashing |
| 18:26.25 | twiun | pops up the windows with nothing in them for now |
| 18:26.30 | twiun | (image support not yet in) |
| 18:26.31 | TheMasterMind1 | hehe |
| 18:27.17 | twiun | time for akira methinks, bbl :-) |
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| 20:05.21 | Twiun | back |
| 20:05.25 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 20:05.47 | Twiun | didn't finish akira... gf fell asleep ;-) |
| 20:05.58 | Twiun | we'll finish it tomorrow |
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| 20:19.02 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl wake up |
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| 20:24.51 | hamsta | hi |
| 20:26.02 | hamsta | I have just tried openzaurus (3.1 rc)... Some time ago I have compiled freeswan for the original Sharp ROM, but when I tried to use this packages on OZ now, I had no luck :-( |
| 20:26.55 | hamsta | busybox seems not to have expr enabled? That is why freeswan failes. Furthermore I get some segfaults at the moment (do not know, if this is because of lack of expr) |
| 20:27.06 | hamsta | Has anybody tried freeswan with OZ yet? |
| 20:31.54 | TheMasterMind1 | not afaik |
| 20:32.10 | TheMasterMind1 | we will enable expr in busybox |
| 20:32.58 | hamsta | that would be quite cool :-) |
| 20:33.16 | TheMasterMind1 | done, next release / update of feeds will have expr |
| 20:33.25 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme build and ipk for you |
| 20:33.55 | hamsta | Thanks a lot, just tell me, if you are ready and I can test again :-) |
| 20:36.57 | TheMasterMind1 | hamsta http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/busybox.ipk |
| 20:36.59 | TheMasterMind1 | install that |
| 20:37.36 | hamsta | thanks a lot again, got it... testing |
| 20:38.16 | TheMasterMind1 | let me know how it works |
| 20:39.52 | hamsta | yeah, just give me some minutes, my USB is very buggy at the moment and wlan is not working because I need ipsec for it... |
| 20:40.57 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, usb fun |
| 20:41.07 | TheMasterMind1 | hopefully all those issues will be fixed in our next release |
| 20:41.22 | Bovine | ibot help |
| 20:43.36 | hamsta | yeah, not only usb/openzaurus, but my damn motherboard... |
| 20:43.58 | hamsta | busybox is working like a charm, I have to look at ipsec... just a moment |
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| 20:51.52 | hamsta | oki, as I said allready, busybox is working (incl. expr) |
| 20:52.19 | hamsta | ipsec/freeswan is now only segfaulting once and seems to run through the config |
| 20:52.32 | hamsta | so one segfault seems to be because of the lack of expr |
| 20:53.05 | hamsta | unfourtunately it does not work, I have to find out, why the first segfault appears |
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| 20:54.06 | hamsta | is it possible, that the compiled kernelmodule working for the sharp ROM has to be recompiled for OZ? |
| 20:54.34 | hamsta | I thought that OZ and sharp are using the same kernel version (2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embeded), so no recompile has to appear |
| 20:55.06 | hamsta | s/has to appear/is needed |
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| 21:09.23 | hamsta | anybody? |
| 21:10.09 | pnis | is swan a wifi driver ? sorry for my ignorance |
| 21:11.02 | hamsta | freeswan? |
| 21:11.09 | pnis | yes |
| 21:12.12 | hamsta | freeswan is free ipsec for linux |
| 21:12.16 | hamsta | see www.freeswan.org |
| 21:12.18 | prpplague | pnis: a method of securing communications over open channels such as 802.11 |
| 21:12.31 | pnis | I see, thanks |
| 21:12.45 | pnis | and what is broken? |
| 21:12.46 | prpplague | pnis: we also use it for our other rf communications and some dds/framrelay circuits |
| 21:13.06 | ||ugh | Wow, I am working on getting the folks who did FreeS/WAN for RZ to do OZ right now, and thats just what your talking about. Syncroniscity. |
| 21:13.09 | pnis | prpplague: is it an implementation of a protocol than? |
| 21:13.31 | pnis | prpplague: ah ok ipsec |
| 21:13.38 | pnis | prpplague: thanks for the info |
| 21:13.40 | hamsta | it segfaults at the moment, while it runs quite well with the Sharp ROM |
| 21:13.54 | pnis | hamsta: is it a module that segfaults? |
| 21:14.10 | hamsta | do not know at the moment, I'll have to have a deeper look |
| 21:14.23 | hamsta | maybe, it is the module, but it seems to be loaded |
| 21:14.39 | ||ugh | Ah, hamsta IS the folks! Hey there. |
| 21:14.44 | pnis | the application you are using gives segfault? |
| 21:14.56 | hamsta | *gg* Hi Hugh :-)) |
| 21:15.10 | ||ugh | Jens, what is segfaluting, which part of the userland? |
| 21:15.34 | hamsta | I am quite unsure... I had no time for testing |
| 21:15.49 | hamsta | Just got a new busybox from TheMasterMind1, because of the lack of expr |
| 21:16.19 | hamsta | When I now start ipsec the message "starting... using kernelmodule..." comes up and then we get a segfault |
| 21:16.47 | hamsta | ps -aux shows that freeswan tries to start pluto and is parsing the confs |
| 21:17.04 | hamsta | but after 5 seconds nothing is running any longer |
| 21:17.23 | ||ugh | expr is a packaging issue, it's in older busyboxes but has not been being installed on OZ. |
| 21:17.35 | hamsta | I have installed it *gg* |
| 21:17.56 | pnis | sounds good |
| 21:18.35 | ||ugh | I have also beeing asking for dhclient to be made part of OZ or at least made avaliable so we can do WAVEsec (see www.wavesec.org). |
| 21:19.04 | pnis | how about putting it in yourself ?:) |
| 21:19.48 | hamsta | expr is no longer the problem |
| 21:19.53 | ||ugh | Werid issues dealing with the USSA's crypto export 'laws', mostly we try to have _me_ avoid anything related. It's hell. |
| 21:20.14 | ||ugh | Jens, are you installing the exact same ipk's as for RZ? |
| 21:20.19 | hamsta | just tried a modprobe ipsec and that is working without segfaulting |
| 21:20.21 | hamsta | yeah |
| 21:20.41 | pnis | ||ugh: you are a soldier ? |
| 21:21.07 | pnis | hamsta: you said you recompiled everything ? |
| 21:21.08 | ||ugh | Only for Liberty, not for the thugs in Washingtoon or anything organized. |
| 21:21.33 | hamsta | pnis, just compiled it for RZ, see killefiz.de/zaurus for freeswan |
| 21:21.55 | hamsta | Hugh: now starting with module already loaded |
| 21:22.03 | pnis | ||ugh: is it not legal now to export crypto stuff to countries other than iraq and friends? |
| 21:22.06 | hamsta | ...Starting Freeswan.... |
| 21:22.22 | hamsta | then: ipsec_setup: Segmentation Fault |
| 21:23.10 | hamsta | BTW: Hugh, just got your mail |
| 21:23.34 | ||ugh | WRONG. That is _exactly_ what Lord Bush and cronies want you to beleve. It's a long story, but by exporting crypto today you have to register doing so, which gives them a legal footing for crypo export controls. Very bad. |
| 21:24.31 | pnis | ||ugh: ah ok |
| 21:24.31 | ||ugh | hamsta, I stopped working on it to open a window to my Z, which happened to be by my chat... very cute. |
| 21:25.31 | ||ugh | Very sick that the US is the USSA, but if we don't make trouble then the use will be only what folks from GE to GM want... |
| 21:26.24 | ||ugh | hamsta, the ipk's I have are from circa early October, nothing newer right? |
| 21:26.56 | hamsta | no, not at the moment, I got no luck with 1.99 (some strange compile errors) and 1.98 is running fine |
| 21:27.16 | pnis | ||ugh: btw to put freeswan into oz, you don't have to export freeswan, just put a new dir and a makefile in oz-buildroot |
| 21:28.19 | pnis | hamsta: so you crosscompiled it 2 seconds ago right? than I have no idea |
| 21:28.36 | hamsta | pnis, no, I have not crosscompiled it |
| 21:28.40 | hamsta | (today) |
| 21:29.06 | hamsta | I used the ipkgs I have generated about 2 month ago for RZ |
| 21:29.12 | pnis | but you crosscompiled it with the OZ libs, not the embedix libs which suck , right? |
| 21:29.17 | pnis | what is rz? |
| 21:29.19 | pnis | oz? |
| 21:29.27 | hamsta | RealZaurus (Sharp ROM) |
| 21:29.32 | pnis | ah ok |
| 21:29.37 | pnis | that could be a problem imho |
| 21:29.48 | ||ugh | pnis, exporting of FreeS/WAN is when you put it up as part of OZ for dowload by anyone outside the holy borders of the USSA. If OZ orgianated outside the US then I would be thrilled. |
| 21:30.10 | ||ugh | RZ to me is Reatil Zaurus (Sharp FLASH load). |
| 21:30.14 | pnis | ||ugh: OZ has no freeswan in it, it has a script to download freeswan |
| 21:30.27 | ||ugh | Script? WHere! |
| 21:30.43 | hamsta | pnis, really? freeswan is only a shell/kernel program, do I really need to recompile with the OZ libs? |
| 21:30.52 | pnis | ||ugh: the buildroot that is oz - it's just a collection of scripts to download and compile all the softwate |
| 21:30.55 | pnis | software |
| 21:31.10 | pnis | autmoatically |
| 21:31.39 | ||ugh | pnis, if you have writtin a script to suck down ipk's off of some host and instal them on OZ, let me at it! (I can _test_ software, just not write it freely...) |
| 21:32.06 | ||ugh | FYI I am running OZ-3.1-rc1 |
| 21:32.15 | pnis | ||ugh: I am talking about something completely different actually . ;] |
| 21:32.35 | ||ugh | Ug. What else is named freeswan? |
| 21:32.40 | pnis | to put something in oz is not to make an ipk |
| 21:33.17 | ||ugh | Oh, you mean adding it to the disto? |
| 21:33.26 | pnis | yes, that's what I meant |
| 21:33.37 | pnis | maybe it wasn't well said |
| 21:33.44 | ||ugh | FYI Jens, when I try to install the 1.98 stuff you did it all errors out on me in various ways on -rc1. |
| 21:34.14 | ||ugh | Maybe English is not your first language and I am just being dumb today. |
| 21:34.27 | hamsta | Hugh, I get errors, too, but that should be no problem, when you install libgmp and awk |
| 21:34.54 | hamsta | pnis: before you can add freeswan to the distro, we have to make it running, so again my question: |
| 21:34.56 | pnis | ||ugh: the first is for sure :) |
| 21:35.08 | hamsta | pnis, really? freeswan is only a shell/kernel program, do I really need to recompile with the OZ libs? |
| 21:35.08 | ||ugh | There is awk in the busybox on -rc1, ghods knows if its up to our scripts though, but we should try it first. |
| 21:35.23 | pnis | hamsta: ah ok, I didn't know that |
| 21:35.31 | ||ugh | Humm, Magyar? |
| 21:35.35 | pnis | hamsta: and the shell script segfaults? |
| 21:35.39 | pnis | ||ugh: :)) yes |
| 21:35.58 | hamsta | pnis, maybe not the shellscript itselfs, but a started binary |
| 21:36.35 | hamsta | the only thing I can tell you at the moment is, it appears right at the beginning of the startup and it is not the module part (which seems to run perfectly) |
| 21:36.51 | pnis | hamsta: if it's a binary than recompilation might help, might not |
| 21:37.01 | ||ugh | Great country you have there, had a great time the week I was there. Learnd a good lesson, if the propritor of the Inn or Restaruant does not speek English/French/Spanish well enough, find his Son, as he will at least speak Nintendo English! |
| 21:37.22 | pnis | ||ugh: hehe:) |
| 21:37.25 | hamsta | hehe |
| 21:38.15 | hamsta | pnis, hmmm, last time recompilation last about a week, because there is no make target and freeswan is no small project *g* |
| 21:38.22 | ||ugh | hamsta, the thing to do is turn on -x in the FreeS/WAN startup scripts and find the output, and see what is crashing. I can try but I have to figure out why none of this will install on -rc1. |
| 21:38.41 | hamsta | I'll try... moment |
| 21:39.01 | ||ugh | hamsta, did you compile FreeS/WAN for a WEEK on your Z? Wow. |
| 21:39.02 | pnis | hamsta: eh how come it has no make? ok than maybe there is a better solution |
| 21:39.14 | pnis | - which I don't know |
| 21:39.44 | hamsta | Hugh, no... just to find out how to compile it correctly :-)) |
| 21:39.56 | ||ugh | pnis, we have makefiles for FreeS/WAN, but I have not setup a compilation env for my Z yet so I have no idea what it's make is like, but it's got to be gnumake right? |
| 21:40.01 | hamsta | It has a i386* Makefile of course but no zaurus target |
| 21:40.27 | ||ugh | hamsta, a make target for the Z is what I was trying to get YOU to do for us! :r) |
| 21:40.29 | hamsta | Hugh, how to set this debug output exactly? |
| 21:40.38 | pnis | ||ugh: it uses the host computers make. only arm-linux-gcc arm-linux-ld and such are special |
| 21:40.59 | pnis | hamsta: does it use autoconf? |
| 21:41.01 | hamsta | Hugh, yeah, and I told you how fare I am and about the problem with the strange binaries |
| 21:41.09 | ||ugh | Thats the cross compile env, and thats the right thing todo. |
| 21:41.10 | pnis | hamsta: does --target=arm-linux work ? |
| 21:41.39 | hamsta | pnis, the problem is the libraries linked there are not found and there are references all over the Makefiles... |
| 21:41.43 | hamsta | very much work to do... |
| 21:41.53 | hamsta | does not seem to be an easy task |
| 21:42.12 | hamsta | even doing it manually last about 1 week until I got the first binaries |
| 21:43.09 | ||ugh | hamsta, are you compiling on the Z rather then the cross compiling environment? |
| 21:43.41 | hamsta | no, of course crosscompile env |
| 21:44.06 | hamsta | but it is no easy task... just changing some path and compilers linkers etc is not enough |
| 21:44.13 | ||ugh | Then a compile of FreeS/WAN should not take more then maybe 10 mintues even on a slow system. |
| 21:44.49 | hamsta | no... not the compile itself |
| 21:45.08 | hamsta | if it is so easy... just do so and givme some binaries *gg* |
| 21:45.42 | ||ugh | Then I can get a bunk in Quantonimo with the Afganies... not much fun. |
| 21:45.47 | pnis | hamsta: ./configure has options where you can tell those things, also there are env. variables like CC and CXX |
| 21:45.54 | pnis | hamsta: but I don't know much about these either |
| 21:46.04 | pnis | hamsta: ./configure --help could give some help |
| 21:46.06 | ||ugh | pnis, there is no ./configure for FreeS/WAN, just makefiles. |
| 21:46.06 | hamsta | pnis... just take a look about the freeswan sourcecode... |
| 21:46.15 | hamsta | it is not that easy this time... |
| 21:46.19 | pnis | hehe:) |
| 21:46.37 | hamsta | freeswan first tries to patch the kernel, then compiles kernel modules... then compiles the userland tools |
| 21:46.40 | hamsta | and and and |
| 21:46.44 | pnis | than put /embedix/tools/armlinux/bin as the first thing in your path |
| 21:47.04 | pnis | and copy all zaurus libs to /embedx/tools6armlinux/lib |
| 21:47.06 | ||ugh | pnis, someone has to write the code (makefile) that makes cross compilation possible, and thats what I need hamsta to do for our project. |
| 21:47.09 | pnis | and all includes to blablabla/lib |
| 21:47.32 | hamsta | gcc/ld etc. are not the problem, but just setting LD-LIBRARY-PATH to the zaurus libs is not working |
| 21:47.37 | pnis | this what I describe is how I crosscompiled some programs |
| 21:48.06 | hamsta | maybe some Makefiles are stupid (maybe I am *g*) |
| 21:48.16 | pnis | hamsta: when linking with /opt/embedix/tools/armlinux/bin/ld it will use /opt/embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib as the default lib.dir |
| 21:48.32 | hamsta | yeah, and this is not working (with v1.99) |
| 21:48.45 | pnis | ahh :) |
| 21:48.45 | hamsta | believe me (or try yourself), it is not that simple with freeswan |
| 21:48.47 | pnis | alright |
| 21:48.56 | pnis | than it really is not |
| 21:49.01 | hamsta | yeah :-) |
| 21:49.10 | hamsta | but v1.98 is running with RZ |
| 21:49.21 | hamsta | but segfaulting with OZ at the moment |
| 21:49.27 | pnis | I see |
| 21:49.29 | hamsta | the kernel module seems to be allright |
| 21:49.46 | hamsta | but I do not know what else could be a problem except the libgmp.so |
| 21:50.06 | hamsta | but I have install the libgmp*.ipk (the same I installed for RZ) |
| 21:50.19 | pnis | this is not using qte, right? |
| 21:50.22 | hamsta | so, I do not know, what else it could depend on |
| 21:50.24 | hamsta | no, it is not |
| 21:50.59 | pnis | are there many libs it depend on ? |
| 21:51.03 | hamsta | see here for "screenshot": http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=601 |
| 21:51.16 | pnis | I saw it actually :) |
| 21:51.20 | hamsta | ah :-) |
| 21:51.33 | hamsta | I only have libgmp in mind |
| 21:51.40 | pnis | you could try changing the libs in oz to the rz variant |
| 21:51.46 | pnis | seeing which fixes the problem |
| 21:51.51 | pnis | if any does |
| 21:52.11 | hamsta | libgmp is the same because it does not come with OZ (yet) |
| 21:52.17 | pnis | if that doesn't help recompilation probably win't either |
| 21:52.29 | hamsta | that what I think |
| 21:52.41 | pnis | that's good than. only 102 more libraries to check :] |
| 21:52.52 | pnis | libc could be a problem imho |
| 21:53.28 | hamsta | yeah, that's possible |
| 21:53.37 | hamsta | haven't thought about libc hmmmmm |
| 21:53.55 | pnis | imho you need to check all the libraries, staring with libc |
| 21:54.19 | hamsta | maybe I should really just try to setup a crosscompile env with the OZ libs |
| 21:54.31 | hamsta | and try to compile the freeswan userland tools again |
| 21:54.35 | pnis | but this might kill your OZ than , so it's not simple |
| 21:54.49 | pnis | yes, that could actually be easier |
| 21:54.51 | hamsta | is there a easy option, to get such an environment |
| 21:54.53 | ||ugh | I think we can live with a version for RZ and one for OZ. |
| 21:54.55 | hamsta | ? |
| 21:55.10 | pnis | are you the maintainers of freeswan? |
| 21:55.53 | hamsta | I have just compiled the binaries for RZ, if you call this a maintainer, then yeah, I am... |
| 21:56.20 | ||ugh | pnis, I "manage" the project. We have a few full time developers and then vonenteers that contribue things. Hamsta did a port, but has not sent in his makefile changes yet! |
| 21:56.53 | hamsta | Hugh, yeah, and at the moment I am not working on the Makefiles... |
| 21:56.55 | ||ugh | Hamsta, did you make _any_ changes in the makefiles to get the 1.98 compiled? |
| 21:57.13 | hamsta | Hugh, any? *ggg* you do not want to count... |
| 21:57.34 | hamsta | I even had to use CTRL-C at the right moment to make everything work *eg* |
| 21:57.35 | ||ugh | No, we want the diff! |
| 21:57.40 | pnis | than maybe reorganizing the makefile a bit, so that library paths and such could be given as env.vars or something |
| 21:58.09 | ||ugh | pnis is right, if we need to change the makefiles we (well not I...) will. |
| 21:58.50 | hamsta | Hugh, if you want to, I can give you the whole work, I did until now (Makefile work), but it is not running fine and I have no time for commenting on all changes |
| 21:59.20 | hamsta | It is about 90% I think (makefile changes) |
| 21:59.38 | hamsta | the binaries have not beeing compiled with this Makefiles but with manual work |
| 21:59.39 | ||ugh | Do the diff and send it to the list <design@lists.freeswan.org>, then others can help. |
| 22:00.14 | pnis | ||ugh: you saif full time developers - this project is actually funded with money? |
| 22:00.18 | pnis | saif=said |
| 22:00.36 | hamsta | I document the most important steps on the homepage: http://www.liebchen-online.de/vpn-zaurus.html |
| 22:00.46 | hamsta | s/document/documented |
| 22:01.05 | pnis | actually oz-buildroot in a bitkeeper repository has many compiling tricks in it |
| 22:01.29 | pnis | to make all the packages cross-compile (most packages are autoconf though) |
| 22:01.30 | ||ugh | Yes, pnis, we have been at this for YEARS and it's quite serious work. Crypto and security are not simple things. |
| 22:01.50 | pnis | ||ugh: sounds good in deed - how can such a thing be funded? |
| 22:02.07 | hamsta | Hugh, you have to do the diff work on your own, I can make a tar.gz of the working dir, but diff itself will not work without spending to much time in it (which I do not have at the moment) |
| 22:02.18 | hamsta | and there are some files you maybe do not need |
| 22:03.14 | hamsta | I do not know, if there is anybody interested in the work (I asked you about some month ago, and there has been noone with enough time) |
| 22:03.18 | ||ugh | hamsta, put the tar.gz up someplace and I will have someone suck it down (can't come into the USSA and out again...). |
| 22:03.26 | hamsta | oki... |
| 22:04.01 | ||ugh | Hamsta, I have someone intersted (but they don't have a Z yet...). Giving them _anything_ to start will will speed things up. |
| 22:04.45 | ||ugh | pnis, there are several folks willing to fund some sorts of work, and FreeS/WAN (and it's goal of OE) has been luckly to have such philanthropists (backers). |
| 22:05.55 | hamsta | Hugh, oki, that's cool |
| 22:06.07 | pnis | ||ugh: that is nice . The page looks good too |
| 22:06.45 | hamsta | Just uploading... will need some minutes because of small bandwidth |
| 22:06.53 | ||ugh | Which page? I am thinking of splitting up the image on the www.freeswan.org page so it works even better on the Z. |
| 22:07.52 | pnis | ||ugh: www.freeswan.org |
| 22:08.07 | pnis | ||ugh: I was looking at it on the pc |
| 22:08.44 | hamsta | pnis: You are still using a PC, even you have some quite cool hardware like the z? *ggg* |
| 22:08.53 | pnis | hamsta: :) |
| 22:08.58 | ||ugh | Yea, glad you like the small bandwith part. In these days of web-pages-as-comerical-porn no one seems to care about such things. Thanks! |
| 22:09.41 | ||ugh | Hey, I use my laptop ALL the time and the Z just when the laptop is not around (it's spent a month in the shop so far this fall/winter...). |
| 22:10.20 | ||ugh | Now once the Z can use typing gloves and run a virtual eyeglass screen of 2k x 2k... :r) |
| 22:10.24 | pnis | do you by accident run linux on the laptop? |
| 22:10.41 | ||ugh | Nah, just Tops-20! |
| 22:10.52 | pnis | tops-20? |
| 22:10.54 | pnis | what is that |
| 22:11.07 | ||ugh | Yes I run Linux on most everything these days, down to two boxes with Sunos on them. |
| 22:11.19 | hamsta | hmmmm... quota exceeded.. just have to give me some more quota and uploading again.... |
| 22:11.33 | ||ugh | Top-20 was a great OS for DEC (Digital) machines back in the late 1970's and 1980's. |
| 22:11.36 | pnis | ||ugh: that is good |
| 22:11.44 | pnis | hehe:) |
| 22:12.14 | ||ugh | quota? What quota? Do you have some sort of ISP download limits? Yuck! |
| 22:12.30 | hamsta | yeah, on my webserver *gg* |
| 22:12.41 | hamsta | _my_ |
| 22:12.54 | hamsta | diskquota... btw.. |
| 22:13.33 | ||ugh | Well, you should have more room on you PC, but FreeS/WAN is not _that_ big! |
| 22:14.33 | hamsta | not my PC... my server... Germany... we have no static IP (at least for normal things), so you have to rent a server somewhere else... otherwise everything is about more the $1000 a month... |
| 22:15.25 | hamsta | oki, it is up... |
| 22:15.31 | ||ugh | Right. I have servers in Holland, but am thinking of finding some elsewhere as well. We need to mirror FreeS/WAN in more places. |
| 22:16.02 | hamsta | Hugh, you can download the partial work at: http://www.liebchen-online.de/freeswan-zaurus.tar.gz |
| 22:16.10 | hamsta | I will delete this file in 2 days, that's ok? |
| 22:17.30 | ||ugh | hamsta, I am out looking for someone in the free world to download it. Sucks to have to play such games I know. |
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| 22:17.49 | Moxon | hello |
| 22:17.54 | hamsta | Hugh, yeah... no problem |
| 22:18.19 | Moxon | a friend of mine installed 3.1rc1 and can't connect properly through usb0 to the zaurus. |
| 22:18.24 | hamsta | Oki, I'll leave then now... my girlfriend is zapping tv for much to long now... and it is quite late here.... |
| 22:18.32 | Moxon | any connection is aborted after some bytes. |
| 22:18.34 | hamsta | happy xmas & CU |
| 22:18.38 | pnis | bye hamsta |
| 22:21.05 | ||ugh | hamsta, I will have someone online in maybe 15 minutes to download it. |
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| 22:33.18 | pnis | time to go, good night! |
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| 22:55.14 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 22:55.30 | Twiun | hiya Dessimat0r |
| 22:55.59 | Dessimat0r | Merry Xmas everyone ;) |
| 22:56.15 | Twiun | and to you too ;-) |
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| 23:01.24 | ljp | hoo hoooh hooo |
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| 23:08.33 | MomentZero | wassup datapurge |
| 23:08.43 | datapurge | Zero bro whats happening man |
| 23:09.57 | MomentZero | not much just finished soldering a new ROM in my 5000d |
| 23:10.14 | datapurge | i finished my GPS crap, all the maps download from the net over the ir to my cellphone, and it works badass |
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| 23:11.11 | Onyx4 | hi |
| 23:11.17 | datapurge | sup man |
| 23:11.31 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: here? |
| 23:12.02 | Dessimat0r | MomentZero: 0wnage ;) |
| 23:12.21 | Dessimat0r | MomentZero: is the memory also upgradable? |
| 23:13.00 | Onyx4 | I wonder if the opie segfault on start problem is fixed now? |
| 23:14.18 | MomentZero | Dessimat0r: don't know Im just trying this first on an extra machine |
| 23:14.32 | Dessimat0r | Onyx4: Hopefully, I want a new unstable, dammit ;) |
| 23:15.27 | MomentZero | Dessimat0r: if this works I dont see why mem wouldnt |
| 23:15.34 | Dessimat0r | MomentZero: What capacity ROM are you soldering in |
| 23:15.36 | Dessimat0r | ? |
| 23:16.02 | Onyx4 | yeah me too I want to upgrade to latest unstable but now opie was crashing on start |
| 23:16.17 | Dessimat0r | or is ROM different from internal flash? |
| 23:16.19 | MomentZero | Dessimat0r: same |
| 23:16.22 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:16.23 | Dessimat0r | i see |
| 23:16.23 | sandman_ | re |
| 23:16.40 | datapurge | zero bro, are you gonna test that 128 mB eprom for me? |
| 23:16.46 | sandman_ | Onyx4: I put the Z binaries/libs on the iPAQ and the are running without problems ... |
| 23:16.54 | Dessimat0r | MomentZero: What was up with the old ROM? ;) |
| 23:17.14 | Onyx4 | sandman_: ok, but noda saw the problem too with his build right? |
| 23:17.36 | sandman_ | Onyx4: I copied *nodas* files on my iPAQ |
| 23:17.49 | datapurge | he fried it |
| 23:17.53 | Onyx4 | interesting, so noda was seeing the problem with that binary you tried and on ipaq it worked? |
| 23:18.06 | Dessimat0r | How? |
| 23:18.10 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:18.22 | datapurge | shorted it out trying to upgrade to 128 MB eprom |
| 23:18.25 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:18.32 | datapurge | didnt fit lol |
| 23:18.38 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 23:18.50 | Dessimat0r | these things should be... ahem.. measured first ;) |
| 23:19.04 | sandman_ | Onyx4: seems so .. the only thing I can not try on the iPAQ are the device dependant funtions in ODevice:: |
| 23:19.33 | datapurge | well yeah but its bigger space and the 128 MB chips are bigger, however we had an eprom and those arent the right ones to use |
| 23:19.36 | Onyx4 | did he give you the backtrace with the binaries compiled with debug? |
| 23:19.47 | datapurge | we were going to try to solder some joints and make it work |
| 23:20.02 | sandman_ | Onyx4: Either he didn't compile with debug options are the crash killed the stack |
| 23:20.02 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:20.20 | sandman_ | s/are/or |
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| 23:21.55 | sandman_ | Onyx4: I would test it on my Z, but I can not get a reliable USB connection to that damn thing |
| 23:22.21 | datapurge | anyone know anything about soldering in larger rom chips? |
| 23:22.26 | sandman_ | Maybe I'll compile a 2.4.20 final kernel for the desktop machine and see if that helps .. |
| 23:22.58 | Onyx4 | yeah the new usbnet thing might work better |
| 23:23.31 | sandman_ | Onyx4: I'm using 2.4.20rc1 + usbdnet patches right now, but that doesn't work reliably |
| 23:23.35 | Dessimat0r | datapurge: it might help if you solder in a socket of some sort ;) |
| 23:23.43 | Dessimat0r | datapurge: to quickly replace chips |
| 23:23.44 | Dessimat0r | etc |
| 23:23.49 | Xentac | the unstable feed is at http://www.openzaurus.org/feeds/unstable am I right? |
| 23:24.18 | Xentac | ah, nevermind |
| 23:24.19 | Xentac | I found it |
| 23:24.40 | MomentZero | hey data i'll be right back |
| 23:24.57 | MomentZero | somthing is smoking |
| 23:25.00 | datapurge | pfft |
| 23:25.01 | datapurge | hahaha |
| 23:25.13 | datapurge | holdon dude im coming over |
| 23:29.10 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new |
| 23:31.17 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 still here? |
| 23:31.22 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 23:31.36 | Onyx4 | still trying to find out what changed in our buildroot to cause this opie segfault on start |
| 23:31.43 | TheMasterMind1 | any news on that opie issue... |
| 23:31.45 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 23:31.46 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:32.22 | Onyx4 | it's strange because sandman tried noda's binaries that crashes on a Z, but on ipaq they work fine |
| 23:32.23 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 i found an awesome way to get internet on the zaurus -- just need to run one program on your windows box |
| 23:32.33 | Onyx4 | wingate? |
| 23:32.56 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 you run a socks server on the windows box and use transparent socks to make all internet traffic go to the proxy |
| 23:33.01 | TheMasterMind1 | its transparent |
| 23:33.03 | TheMasterMind1 | and works great |
| 23:33.09 | Onyx4 | why not use NAT? |
| 23:33.18 | TheMasterMind1 | because its too hard for the average user |
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| 23:33.25 | Onyx4 | ah I see |
| 23:33.31 | TheMasterMind1 | this is extrememly easy, just run one program on the windows box |
| 23:33.32 | Onyx4 | yeah wingate it easy to make run as well |
| 23:33.35 | TheMasterMind1 | and it works with all windows machines |
| 23:33.54 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 yea, but it requires configuring and half the clueless windows users will screw it up |
| 23:34.02 | Onyx4 | hehe |
| 23:34.09 | TheMasterMind1 | with the socks proxy, you just run it and that's it |
| 23:34.16 | TheMasterMind1 | no configuration required |
| 23:34.17 | Onyx4 | I still wonder if we should setup a dhcp server on the usb interface like sharp does |
| 23:34.22 | Onyx4 | to assign an IP to the usb on windows |
| 23:34.22 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, we will |
| 23:34.37 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm working on all this stuff - make sure we get rid of all these issues with syncing/usb |
| 23:34.48 | Onyx4 | oh cool |
| 23:34.59 | TheMasterMind1 | we'll probably be using usbf in the new .19 kernel which will probably get rid of all the other usb issues |
| 23:35.14 | Onyx4 | usbf? I tought it was usbnet? |
| 23:35.25 | TheMasterMind1 | and usbf works with linux kernels since 2.2 without patch required |
| 23:35.34 | TheMasterMind1 | usbf is like usbd |
| 23:35.41 | TheMasterMind1 | usbnet is the desktop side |
| 23:35.51 | TheMasterMind1 | usbf/usbd run on the zaurus |
| 23:36.27 | TheMasterMind1 | so if we use usbf, you don't have to worry about getting usbdnet on the desktop or using 2.4.21pre |
| 23:36.55 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 23:39.12 | Onyx4 | mmm hold on a minute |
| 23:39.22 | Onyx4 | we did quite some changes on the opie makefile lately |
| 23:39.22 | TheMasterMind1 | what |
| 23:39.29 | TheMasterMind1 | oh? |
| 23:39.33 | Onyx4 | take a look at the new thing about CONFIG_TARGET_ZAURUS |
| 23:39.55 | Onyx4 | we define CXXFlags |
| 23:39.58 | Onyx4 | but never use it later |
| 23:40.05 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:40.06 | Onyx4 | it calls CXXDefines |
| 23:40.17 | Onyx4 | so the -DQT_QWS_SHARP and -DQT_QWS_EBX never gets passed |
| 23:40.21 | Onyx4 | to the compile option |
| 23:40.26 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmmm |
| 23:40.27 | Onyx4 | which may be why oit crashes on sharp |
| 23:40.31 | Onyx4 | I bet that's it |
| 23:40.32 | TheMasterMind1 | makes sense |
| 23:40.59 | Onyx4 | cause I compiled my last good opie before those changes |
| 23:41.11 | sandman_ | Onyx4: touch a Opie .cpp file, run make and paste me the gcc command line that gets executed |
| 23:41.21 | Onyx4 | yeah good idea |
| 23:41.27 | TheMasterMind1 | smart |
| 23:42.52 | Onyx4 | /usr/bin/ccache arm-linux-g++ -c -pipe -I/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/build/opie/include -I/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/output/staging/include -march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -mapcs-32 -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -fpermissive -fpermissive -DQWS -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -Wall -W -g -I/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/build/opie/include |
| 23:43.05 | Onyx4 | that's it!!! |
| 23:43.12 | TheMasterMind1 | ingenious |
| 23:43.14 | TheMasterMind1 | great job Onyx4 |
| 23:43.37 | Onyx4 | ok I'll make the change, recompile and see if it works now |
| 23:43.56 | sandman_ | heh .. heavy optimization but no target defines .. |
| 23:44.41 | TheMasterMind1 | optimization is where its at |
| 23:44.51 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 23:45.05 | Onyx4 | it's because he did a ifdef CONFIG_TARGET_ZAURUS |
| 23:45.09 | Onyx4 | CXXFlags = -DQT_QWS_SHARP -DQT_QWS_EBX |
| 23:45.24 | Onyx4 | but then later used CXX="$(CXX) $(CXXDefines)" |
| 23:45.28 | Onyx4 | instead of CXXFlags |
| 23:45.30 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 23:45.31 | TheMasterMind1 | doh |
| 23:45.40 | Onyx4 | and of course CXXDefines doesn't exist |
| 23:45.46 | Onyx4 | so it just paste an empty string |
| 23:45.47 | TheMasterMind1 | silly schurig |
| 23:45.51 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 23:46.03 | TheMasterMind1 | so hurry up and fix it |
| 23:46.12 | TheMasterMind1 | i wannna upgrade before i leave for this party |
| 23:46.27 | Onyx4 | want me to push the fix or give you a binary? |
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| 23:46.37 | TheMasterMind1 | test it first |
| 23:46.43 | TheMasterMind1 | update your feed |
| 23:46.43 | Onyx4 | ok i'll recompile now |
| 23:46.48 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll use that |
| 23:46.50 | sandman_ | Onyx4: and tell me if it works .. I can copy a (useable) Opie version back on my iPAQ then :) |
| 23:47.39 | sandman_ | ts calibration is upside down and Opie is 240x240 currently ;) |
| 23:47.49 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:47.59 | TheMasterMind1 | that explains the sizing issue on my Z too |
| 23:48.01 | Com[Plex | is there a java compiler for the zaurus? |
| 23:48.03 | TheMasterMind1 | opie was only 240x240 |
| 23:48.27 | sandman_ | TheMasterMind1: That's because the iPAQ fb has another rotation |
| 23:48.38 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 23:48.40 | sandman_ | So Qt/e gets confused |
| 23:49.28 | sandman_ | brb |
| 23:49.29 | *** join/#openzaurus blackmax (~black@200.72.174.119) |
| 23:49.42 | Onyx4 | at least he didn't make the same mistake in the qte build |
| 23:50.07 | blackmax | anybody here knows how to use the USB craddle under Linux, without having to recompile the kernel? |
| 23:50.33 | blackmax | I know it can be done, I read it somewhere some time ago, but I can't find the page now... |
| 23:50.39 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: I started scanning for the changes in opie and qte Makefile starting back at my last known good build, dec 16, and that's how I found it... |
| 23:50.45 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: using bk revtool |
| 23:51.05 | Onyx4 | I tought it was something with how we link against stagingdir now with qte |
| 23:51.12 | Onyx4 | but I guess it wasn't :) |
| 23:52.04 | blackmax | I'm sorry, I guess that was kinda rude.. first of all: Hello everyone! |
| 23:52.29 | Onyx4 | ah now we're talking |
| 23:52.35 | blackmax | now, any help on that (USB craddle under linux), would be greatly appreciated... |
| 23:52.45 | Onyx4 | blackmax: it'll be coming soon with the new OZ kernel |
| 23:52.52 | Onyx4 | blackmax: for now it needs usbdnet module |
| 23:52.58 | Onyx4 | blackmax: unless you have 2.4.20 |
| 23:53.26 | ljp | http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/usbdnet-standalone.tgz |
| 23:53.42 | *** join/#openzaurus mnemonic (zero@s01i34-0557.no.powertech.net) |
| 23:54.01 | blackmax | how could that be?, I mean, there needs to be support under the Linux PC kernel for ethernet over USB to work, right?... |
| 23:54.30 | Onyx4 | yeah but check ljp's link |
| 23:54.34 | blackmax | (I mean, the OZ kernel eliminating the need for the usbdnet module..) |
| 23:54.38 | Onyx4 | it might be a seperate generic module |
| 23:54.43 | blackmax | okz.. |
| 23:55.17 | Onyx4 | the new oz kernel will use something existant in all the current kernel, rather than requiring patching of kernel for usbdnet |
| 23:55.27 | Onyx4 | which is not part of regular kernel |
| 23:55.37 | Onyx4 | /usr/bin/ccache arm-linux-g++ -DQT_QWS_SHARP -DQT_QWS_EBX -c -pipe -I/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/build/opie/include -I/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/output/staging/include -march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -mapcs-32 -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -fpermissive -fpermissive -DQWS -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -Wall -W -march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -mapcs-32 -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -fPI |
| 23:55.37 | Onyx4 | EBUG -I/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/build/opie/include -Ibackend -I/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/build/qt-2.3.4-beta2/include -I/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/build/opie/mkspecs/qws/linux-sharp-g++ -o resource.o resource.cp |
| 23:55.42 | Onyx4 | this is the new cmdline |
| 23:55.49 | TheMasterMind1 | wonderful |
| 23:56.59 | blackmax | ahh, now I get it... cool |
| 23:58.36 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: you want to use my feed once it's up if it works? |
| 23:58.57 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: I'll upgrade from my feed once it's ready |
| 23:59.37 | Onyx4 | thank god for ccache |
| 23:59.41 | Onyx4 | that thing flies |