| 00:00.24 | boulez | Anyone used the D-Link DCF-660W wireless modem? |
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| 00:26.20 | kergoth | re |
| 00:27.50 | kergoth | whee |
| 00:27.54 | kergoth | i can type numbers on my Z again |
| 00:27.55 | kergoth | finally |
| 00:28.52 | boulez | ? |
| 00:28.58 | kergoth | boulez: 2.4.19 |
| 00:29.07 | boulez | Why couldn't you before? |
| 00:29.33 | Dessimat0r | keymap |
| 00:29.37 | boulez | ah |
| 00:29.54 | kergoth | boulez: because i rewrote the keyboard driver |
| 00:29.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:30.29 | boulez | kergoth: Hey, I'm sorry if I annoyed you with my dumb noob faq-ignorance earlier. But I'm actually a dumb noob and I often am a couple steps behind the stuff I read in the faq. The answers may have been right in front of me but I couldn't parse them. |
| 00:30.52 | kergoth | boulez: no problem, it happens |
| 00:30.58 | boulez | I think OZ is probably just a little too intense for me right now |
| 00:31.31 | boulez | But I bought the Z as a road into Linux understanding, so I'll probably get it eventually. |
| 00:32.11 | kergoth | you shouldnt have to know linux to use oz.. |
| 00:32.53 | boulez | No, but you do need to have basic concepts down. There was something in the faq about getting around the "flash" vs. "ram" issues by creating a symlink. Problem is, you have to know what that means ;) |
| 00:34.07 | boulez | I'm not saying you guys are doing anything wrong. But there is at least some level of knowledge that's probably necessary before you can make the system work properly. |
| 00:34.33 | kergoth | you dont have to create those symlinks to use the system |
| 00:34.48 | kergoth | just because theres a faq entry that requires a high level of knowledge, doesnt mean its necessary |
| 00:34.54 | boulez | right, that's true |
| 00:35.08 | boulez | But I was getting stuck with simple stuff like uploading apps |
| 00:35.14 | boulez | Which is my own problem |
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| 00:36.14 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:36.34 | kergoth | course you'd probably run into those difficulties in sharp as well |
| 00:37.15 | boulez | Well, because Qtopia's uploading is unpredictable. But most of the time, I just drop the stuff in the Documents window and it's done. |
| 00:37.20 | Dessimat0r | have you seen the new opie-button ? |
| 00:37.30 | Dessimat0r | it does stuff based on holding app keys down |
| 00:37.40 | Dessimat0r | as well as just pressing them |
| 00:37.42 | Dessimat0r | 0wnz :D |
| 00:38.34 | kergoth | boulez: qtopia desktop you mean? |
| 00:40.05 | boulez | yeah |
| 00:40.30 | kergoth | yeah, dont use that to copy files in oz, cause its limited to copying files into /root/Documents, which is flash not ram |
| 00:40.35 | kergoth | stick to scp |
| 00:40.40 | kergoth | winscp works wel |
| 00:40.43 | kergoth | well |
| 00:40.49 | Dessimat0r | does at that |
| 00:41.28 | boulez | Right, i've been using ftp, actually |
| 00:41.43 | kergoth | yeah that'll do too |
| 00:43.42 | boulez | still, I don't have the same sort of understanding of even the basic stuff (like directory structure) the way I do with Windows. |
| 00:47.40 | TheMasterMind1 | progresss? |
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| 00:50.03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: looks like i'm done with the keymap :D |
| 00:50.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i can type numbers and stuff |
| 00:50.11 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 01:05.37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth sweet, and rightshift too? |
| 01:05.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 01:06.04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it matches the keycode layout of sharp exactly. |
| 01:06.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: aand -nothing- is hardcoded |
| 01:06.12 | kergoth | :D |
| 01:07.18 | kergoth | alright, i'm going to fix that fucking white screen when you let it sit for a while thing |
| 01:07.22 | kergoth | cause it pisses me off |
| 01:07.29 | kergoth | then, back to touchscreen |
| 01:07.41 | kergoth | oh wait i should add this to buildroot first |
| 01:07.44 | kergoth | make it easier for testing |
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| 01:20.32 | ljp | testing? whats that? |
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| 01:24.29 | Bovine | I'm going to ask a stupid question... be ready |
| 01:24.38 | kergoth | thanks for the warning |
| 01:24.45 | Bovine | trying to cross-compile ncurses 5.3... |
| 01:24.57 | kergoth | why? |
| 01:24.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:25.05 | Bovine | don't ask stupid questions :D |
| 01:25.11 | Bovine | becuase I want to |
| 01:25.11 | kergoth | uhm |
| 01:25.15 | kergoth | oz has ncurses 5.3 |
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| 01:25.20 | kergoth | dated 20021109 |
| 01:25.29 | kergoth | and the oz buildroot will crosscompile it |
| 01:25.38 | Bovine | k |
| 01:25.47 | Bovine | but for the sake of argument... |
| 01:26.10 | Bovine | I'm obviously missing something, I get the following error - |
| 01:26.19 | Bovine | cd ../obj_s; /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin/arm-linux-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I../ncurses -I. -DNDEBUG -D_GNU_SOURCE -I. -I../include -I/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/include/ncurses -O2 -fPIC -c ../ncurses/comp_captab.c |
| 01:26.20 | Bovine | ../ncurses/comp_captab.c: In function `_nc_get_table': |
| 01:26.20 | Bovine | ../ncurses/comp_captab.c:74: `_nc_cap_table' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 01:26.20 | Bovine | ../ncurses/comp_captab.c:74: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 01:26.40 | kergoth | sounds like you're overriding a variable and you shouldnt be |
| 01:26.51 | kergoth | i.e. you set the CFLAGS env var but it had important stuff in there |
| 01:26.58 | Cloudchaser | hiya everyone |
| 01:26.59 | kergoth | cd $(SourceTree); HOSTCC="$(CC_FOR_BUILD)" ./configure $(CONFARGS); |
| 01:26.59 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.03 | kergoth | eTree)/include -I$(SourceTree)/ncurses" HOSTCXXFLAGS="-I$(SourceTree)/include -I |
| 01:27.05 | kergoth | $(SourceTree)/ncurses" CFLAGS="-O2 $(CFLAGS)" CXXFLAGS="-O2 $(CFLAGS) -I$(Dirnam |
| 01:27.08 | kergoth | e)/include" SHLIB_DIRS=-L$(SourceTree)/lib libs panel menu form headers |
| 01:27.10 | kergoth | to crosscompile ncurses |
| 01:27.12 | kergoth | thats the compile command |
| 01:27.13 | kergoth | hi cloud |
| 01:27.16 | kergoth | how was your christmas? |
| 01:27.16 | Bovine | heh, k thanks |
| 01:27.36 | Cloudchaser | very nice thanks! and yours? still in florida..leaving saturday |
| 01:27.47 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: nice :) mine was pretty good |
| 01:27.49 | Cloudchaser | but mostly everyone's gone cept my mom |
| 01:27.54 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth bkpush |
| 01:27.58 | Cloudchaser | :) glad to hear that |
| 01:28.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: k, /me bk -r diffs |
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| 01:29.08 | boulez | TheMasterMind1: Ok, I'm back to OZ 3.1rc. Wanna help me get TCP happening? |
| 01:29.32 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:29.35 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: the CF slot works in 2.4.19 :D |
| 01:29.35 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 01:29.49 | Cloudchaser | great! was it not working before? |
| 01:29.51 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: 0wnage :D |
| 01:30.07 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: we're porting the stuff from 2.4.6 to .19 one piece at a time |
| 01:30.13 | TheMasterMind1 | boulez scp http://tjhsst.edu/~agupta/tsocks.ipk to your z |
| 01:30.20 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: quite a bit has changed, and a fair bit needed rewriting |
| 01:30.52 | boulez | TheMasterMind1: Can I use ftp? I know how that works, at least... |
| 01:31.23 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: i'm sure you'll get it all working ;) |
| 01:31.35 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: when we started i said it'd be 1-2 weeks. we're right on schedule |
| 01:31.38 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: :) |
| 01:32.07 | Cloudchaser | hehe great! so is it all ready then? |
| 01:32.17 | TheMasterMind1 | boulez just get it on the z and ipkg install it |
| 01:32.18 | kergoth | not quite, still a number of things to be done |
| 01:32.28 | boulez | TheMasterMind1: Where does it need to go? |
| 01:32.28 | ljp | uhh, I thought you started the kernel months ago |
| 01:32.35 | kergoth | ljp: that was 2.5 |
| 01:32.42 | ljp | hmmmm |
| 01:32.48 | ljp | ssuuuuurrreeeeee |
| 01:32.57 | kergoth | a fair bit of what i learned then still applies, but then a fair bit doesnt, as wlel |
| 01:33.01 | kergoth | s/wlel/well/ |
| 01:33.18 | boulez | mnt/ram? |
| 01:33.56 | TheMasterMind1 | boulez it doesn't matter. put it somewhere and ipkg install it |
| 01:35.25 | boulez | TheMasterMind1: Ok, I think it's done |
| 01:35.40 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm ok |
| 01:35.52 | TheMasterMind1 | google for sockserv |
| 01:36.05 | TheMasterMind1 | download 2.0beta, unzip it, run sockserv.exe and press start |
| 01:36.52 | boulez | k done |
| 01:39.53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: bk pull |
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| 01:43.23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: theres a couple weird bugs still, but its looking good for the most part |
| 01:45.41 | boulez | TheMasterMind1: ok, that app is running |
| 01:48.22 | TheMasterMind1 | boulez |
| 01:48.22 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 01:48.45 | TheMasterMind1 | now |
| 01:50.02 | TheMasterMind1 | ls /usr/lib/libtsocks.so |
| 01:50.06 | TheMasterMind1 | what does that output |
| 01:50.11 | endr | hmm...have I done something stupid? OZ3.1rc1 has no atd daemon? |
| 01:50.18 | endr | is this true? |
| 01:50.18 | kergoth | endr: it doesnt need one. |
| 01:50.22 | TheMasterMind1 | endr its no longer needed |
| 01:50.27 | boulez | k, hang on....i'm not running vnc yet so text takes a minute....lemme set up vnc |
| 01:50.31 | endr | kergoth: oh, obviouslay a faq, sorry |
| 01:50.38 | endr | kergoth: what is the replacement? |
| 01:51.35 | kergoth | endr: its not a single replacement, but a number of items that replaces its functionality. we now run apm, which gives you the ability to run scripts on suspend/resume, then we use opiealarm to setup the alarm at the rtc on suspend, and also to sync the clocks on suspend. then we call hwclock on shutdown/reboot to sync the clocks as well. |
| 01:51.56 | kergoth | s/apm/apmd/ |
| 01:52.01 | endr | kergoth: nice |
| 01:52.07 | kergoth | its much cleaner |
| 01:52.15 | kergoth | and the rtc isnt held open all the time like itw as with atd |
| 01:52.24 | endr | kergoth: so do I still have an ability at a user level to schedule an arbitrary job? |
| 01:52.34 | kergoth | you never did. |
| 01:52.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:52.41 | kergoth | anyway |
| 01:52.51 | kergoth | brb |
| 01:52.57 | boulez | TheMasterMind1: it outputs itself..."/use/lib/libtsocks.so" |
| 01:53.43 | endr | TheMasterMind1: I am sure someone mentioned to me in #opie or this channel a while ago scheduling an at job to do a repetitive task...so do I not relaly have that option? |
| 01:53.44 | TheMasterMind1 | boulez ok, great. now the tricky part, most of this will already be done in the next release. open up /etc/hotplug/net.agent |
| 01:54.00 | boulez | TheMasterMind1: bear with me...what do you mean by "open up"? |
| 01:54.14 | TheMasterMind1 | well, you need to edit it |
| 01:54.19 | TheMasterMind1 | so use the editor of your choice |
| 01:54.22 | TheMasterMind1 | opie-text, vim, etc |
| 01:55.06 | boulez | ok, open |
| 01:55.18 | TheMasterMind1 | ok you see the line register*) |
| 01:55.23 | TheMasterMind1 | or register) |
| 01:55.31 | boulez | yes |
| 01:55.37 | TheMasterMind1 | and under that you see usbd*) |
| 01:56.00 | boulez | er, directly under it is "case $INTERFACE in" |
| 01:56.07 | TheMasterMind1 | under usbd*) add this line: echo "/usr/lib/libtsocks.so" > /etc/ld.so.preload |
| 01:56.59 | boulez | ok, think I found the line..hang on |
| 01:57.16 | TheMasterMind1 | theres two lines that say usbd*) |
| 01:57.24 | TheMasterMind1 | one is a few lines under register) |
| 01:57.30 | TheMasterMind1 | and the second is a few lines under unregister) |
| 01:57.34 | boulez | yes |
| 01:57.41 | sandman_ | ljp: see -- there are also other people who use preload :) |
| 01:57.49 | TheMasterMind1 | so under the first one you enter the line i pasted above |
| 01:58.03 | TheMasterMind1 | and under the second, this line: echo "" > /etc/ld.so.preload |
| 01:58.13 | TheMasterMind1 | sandman_ :) |
| 01:59.27 | boulez | ok, now save the file? |
| 01:59.37 | TheMasterMind1 | file -> save |
| 01:59.46 | boulez | done |
| 01:59.55 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:00.29 | TheMasterMind1 | now |
| 02:00.34 | TheMasterMind1 | take it out of the cradle |
| 02:00.38 | TheMasterMind1 | put it back into the cradle |
| 02:00.56 | boulez | k |
| 02:01.06 | TheMasterMind1 | now, via vnc or whatever, go to konsole |
| 02:01.29 | boulez | vnc crashes it right now, so I'll just go to the konsole... |
| 02:01.49 | TheMasterMind1 | type: wget http://198.38.16.47/~agupta/test; cat test |
| 02:02.04 | boulez | gah!...ok, gimme a minute |
| 02:02.07 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 02:03.12 | boulez | error |
| 02:03.15 | boulez | connection refused |
| 02:03.24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:03.32 | boulez | perhaps we should start with ping? |
| 02:03.33 | TheMasterMind1 | is it a socks error or a wget error |
| 02:03.36 | boulez | wget |
| 02:03.44 | TheMasterMind1 | one sec |
| 02:04.17 | boulez | oh wait....my socks server stopped itself for some reason |
| 02:04.21 | boulez | that probably didn't help |
| 02:04.23 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 02:04.27 | kergoth | k found two bugs in the keymap, fn+enter and fn+d werent working. fixed. |
| 02:04.41 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth what about those weird issues with shift producing extra characters? |
| 02:04.43 | boulez | different error this time |
| 02:04.44 | TheMasterMind1 | or fn rather |
| 02:04.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: still happens |
| 02:04.47 | TheMasterMind1 | gone? |
| 02:04.50 | TheMasterMind1 | boulez what error |
| 02:04.51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: there are like 3-4 of them |
| 02:04.55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth damn |
| 02:04.57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its consistent. no idea wtf is going on. |
| 02:05.07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but i'm moving on to other shit in a second here |
| 02:05.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: come back to that later |
| 02:05.16 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, sounds good |
| 02:05.17 | boulez | wget: unable to connect to remote host (numbers) Transport endpoint is not connected |
| 02:05.17 | kergoth | now that we can type properly for the most part |
| 02:05.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:05.32 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, that's new. never seen that error before |
| 02:05.36 | boulez | hehehe |
| 02:05.45 | boulez | sorry to make things weird |
| 02:06.12 | boulez | did i need to set anything in the socks server? |
| 02:06.34 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth btw, can you think of a way in hotplug that we can figure out if we want tsocks or not. like, someway to test if the socks server is actually running on an ip |
| 02:06.43 | TheMasterMind1 | boulez no, it should just work if you press start |
| 02:06.49 | boulez | ok |
| 02:06.54 | TheMasterMind1 | boulez ok, cat /etc/ld.so.preload |
| 02:07.33 | boulez | "/usr/lib/libtsocks.so" |
| 02:07.35 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:07.37 | TheMasterMind1 | so thats fine |
| 02:08.15 | boulez | My firewell is set to let in the whole range of ips around the Z. SHould I just turn it off entirely? |
| 02:09.07 | TheMasterMind1 | try: telnet 192.168.129.1 8080 |
| 02:09.45 | boulez | unable to connect |
| 02:09.55 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:10.06 | TheMasterMind1 | try: telnet 192.168.129.1 1080 |
| 02:10.51 | boulez | hmm..not sure what happened. I never really got a prompt |
| 02:10.57 | boulez | just a cursor |
| 02:10.57 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, that's a good sign |
| 02:11.04 | boulez | oh, ok! |
| 02:11.05 | TheMasterMind1 | press cancel |
| 02:11.05 | boulez | cool |
| 02:11.07 | TheMasterMind1 | and then e |
| 02:11.09 | TheMasterMind1 | and then enter |
| 02:11.11 | TheMasterMind1 | iirc |
| 02:11.21 | boulez | cancel? |
| 02:11.25 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 02:11.28 | TheMasterMind1 | the big cancel key |
| 02:11.39 | boulez | oh, it just closed itself... |
| 02:11.46 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:11.50 | TheMasterMind1 | konsole did? |
| 02:11.55 | boulez | connection closed by foreign host |
| 02:11.58 | TheMasterMind1 | oh ok |
| 02:11.58 | boulez | no, telnet I guess |
| 02:12.02 | TheMasterMind1 | thats fine |
| 02:12.14 | TheMasterMind1 | so this means your socks server is working |
| 02:12.17 | boulez | still e and enter? |
| 02:12.34 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 02:12.36 | boulez | k |
| 02:13.16 | TheMasterMind1 | how ipkg -verbose-wget update |
| 02:13.19 | TheMasterMind1 | what does that say |
| 02:13.55 | boulez | lots of stuff |
| 02:14.10 | boulez | temporary failure in name resolution |
| 02:14.20 | boulez | and then tons more shit |
| 02:14.34 | TheMasterMind1 | heh ok |
| 02:14.40 | boulez | do you need me to type it in? |
| 02:14.44 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 02:14.48 | boulez | k |
| 02:14.50 | kergoth | resolv.conf? |
| 02:14.58 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, the socks doesn't run a dns |
| 02:15.01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: how long did it take for the Z to white out the display again? |
| 02:15.07 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth long time |
| 02:15.10 | kergoth | so he should enter his isp's name servers in resolv.conf |
| 02:15.11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth 10-15 mins |
| 02:15.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hmm, k |
| 02:15.20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: trying to reproduce now that i enabled some debug output |
| 02:15.40 | TheMasterMind1 | boulez when you did that wget, did it output any socks stuff? |
| 02:15.49 | TheMasterMind1 | wget http://198.38.16.40/~agupta/test |
| 02:15.52 | boulez | err...not sure |
| 02:15.59 | boulez | hang on |
| 02:16.33 | boulez | that's a different ip than before, yes? |
| 02:16.41 | boulez | 40 instead of 47 |
| 02:16.47 | TheMasterMind1 | same server |
| 02:16.49 | TheMasterMind1 | doens't matter |
| 02:16.49 | boulez | ok |
| 02:17.36 | boulez | no, I just get that nable to connect to remote host...Transport endpoint is not connected |
| 02:18.05 | TheMasterMind1 | and internet works fine on the windows machine? |
| 02:18.08 | boulez | yes |
| 02:18.19 | boulez | But does it matter that this machine isn't directly on the net? |
| 02:18.30 | boulez | This machine is ALREADY on via ICS |
| 02:18.32 | TheMasterMind1 | no, shouldn't matter |
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| 02:18.33 | boulez | ok |
| 02:18.52 | boulez | oh shit |
| 02:18.55 | boulez | z just froze |
| 02:19.39 | boulez | thanks |
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| 02:20.05 | boulez | i restarted. did we just lose all our work? |
| 02:21.00 | TheMasterMind1 | no, shouldn't have |
| 02:21.05 | TheMasterMind1 | why'd it freeze? |
| 02:21.18 | boulez | no idea |
| 02:21.32 | boulez | i just went back to the konsole and I couldn't type, couldn't close it, etc. |
| 02:21.50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: doing battery status checking now |
| 02:21.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: along with charging :) |
| 02:22.01 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 02:25.38 | boulez | TheMasterMind1: so I was reporting problems you haven't seen before? |
| 02:27.56 | TheMasterMind1 | i've only tried this once and it was working so i'm not sure wahts going on |
| 02:28.00 | boulez | hmm.....I tried to upload fbvnc earlier via ftp, to avoid the memory problems. it seemed to install ok but it crashed when I run it. Now, when i UNINSTALL, I get the "low on memory" errors |
| 02:28.18 | kergoth | boulez: you _did_ use fbvncserver from the oz testing/usntable feeds, _right_? |
| 02:28.22 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:28.29 | boulez | nope |
| 02:28.31 | boulez | oops |
| 02:28.34 | TheMasterMind1 | uhoh |
| 02:28.38 | kergoth | thought so |
| 02:28.46 | kergoth | _always_ use packages from the oz feeds if they exist. |
| 02:28.49 | kergoth | _always_. |
| 02:29.04 | boulez | I didn't even know there was such a thing |
| 02:29.07 | boulez | my bad |
| 02:29.14 | ljp | always |
| 02:29.40 | ljp | not |
| 02:30.06 | TheMasterMind1 | boulez how about this.. try: telnet 216.239.35.100 80 |
| 02:31.48 | boulez | unable to connect....transport endpont.... |
| 02:31.51 | boulez | same error |
| 02:31.56 | TheMasterMind1 | interesting |
| 02:32.12 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe you can't use it on an ICSed machine |
| 02:32.15 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid windows |
| 02:32.42 | boulez | hmmm |
| 02:32.44 | boulez | no idea |
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| 02:32.50 | TheMasterMind1 | probably's gotta do with the socket code in sockserv |
| 02:32.53 | boulez | that'd be ridiculous |
| 02:33.43 | boulez | so, if I try to install this fbvnc from the testing feeds directory, will it just overwrite the one that's pooping? |
| 02:33.56 | TheMasterMind1 | it should |
| 02:34.13 | ljp | ok, I'm done playing hotwheels internet games |
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| 02:36.35 | kergoth | ibot: seen tik |
| 02:36.40 | | tik is currently on #opie (2d 6h 56m 44s) #openzaurus (2d 6h 56m 44s). Has said a total of 27 messages. Is idling for 9h 52m 54s |
| 02:36.44 | kergoth | hm |
| 02:36.52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:37.02 | kergoth | ibot: message for tik: starting work on the battery status checking in 2.4.19, message me when you're around. |
| 02:38.11 | bbeattie | Anyone seen this error before? "fsck.ext2 Filesystem revision too high while trying to open /dev/mtdblock6 The Filesystem revision is apparently too high for this version of e2fsck. (Or the filesystem superblock is corrupt) The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is |
| 02:38.11 | bbeattie | . and you might try running e2fsck with an alternatigve superblock: e2fsck -b 8193 <device> fsck failed. Please repair manually. CONTROL-D .. yadda yadda yadda. |
| 02:39.36 | boulez | hmm....nope, vnc still kicks me out to a login prompt..this isn't normal, is it? I DID read the faq on this one (reboot, calibrate screen, etc.) |
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| 02:40.51 | bbeattie | kergoth, themastermind1: any ideas? |
| 02:41.30 | kergoth | boulez: 'vnc still kciks me out to a login prompt'? what sdoes that mean? |
| 02:41.39 | kergoth | boulez: opie dies? when you do what? when? under what circumstances? |
| 02:42.41 | boulez | when I start the VNC server, I get a prompt that says "zaurus: login" at the bottom of the screen. |
| 02:42.52 | kergoth | hm, works flawlessly here. |
| 02:43.03 | kergoth | sounds like theres still remnants of the old crap one in your system |
| 02:43.07 | kergoth | uninstall fbvncserver |
| 02:43.09 | kergoth | all of htem |
| 02:43.12 | boulez | ok |
| 02:43.16 | kergoth | start over |
| 02:44.23 | boulez | WHen I attempt to remove the bad one, I get the error "THe memory is very low. Please end this application immediately" |
| 02:44.47 | datapurge | sups |
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| 02:45.01 | kergoth | boulez: well i dunno what to tell you. |
| 02:45.13 | boulez | reflash? |
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| 02:45.34 | TheMasterMind1 | boulez how are you removing it? |
| 02:45.41 | boulez | AQPkg |
| 02:45.45 | TheMasterMind1 | try from console |
| 02:45.51 | Moment0 | hi |
| 02:45.53 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg remove <pkgname> |
| 02:46.12 | Moment0 | finally irc from the Z |
| 02:46.20 | bbeattie | kergoth: could you explain to me what the /dev/mtdblock6 is? /dev/mtdblock4 is mounted as the root fs normally on my zaurus. But mtdblock6 fails on the fsck check. Is it possible to reformat that block somehow? or any ideas how to fix it? |
| 02:46.52 | boulez | Hangup |
| 02:46.52 | kergoth | mtdblock6 is your ramdisk. |
| 02:46.55 | kergoth | mtdram |
| 02:47.07 | boulez | is that a good "hangup" or a bad one? |
| 02:47.20 | kergoth | boulez: bad |
| 02:47.35 | bbeattie | kergoth: So somehow part of the ramdisk was destroyed basically? What is the best way to fix it? |
| 02:47.36 | boulez | hm |
| 02:47.44 | boulez | reflash, I guess.... |
| 02:47.45 | kergoth | boulez: rm /usr/lib/ipkg/info/fbvnc*rm |
| 02:47.48 | boulez | k |
| 02:47.50 | kergoth | boulez: ipkg remove |
| 02:47.57 | kergoth | bbeattie: nothing was destroyed |
| 02:47.58 | kergoth | bbeattie: its just a afilesystem |
| 02:48.04 | kergoth | bbeattie: that seems to be corrupt |
| 02:48.06 | kergoth | bbeattie: so reformat it. |
| 02:48.12 | kergoth | bbeattie: mkfs.ext2 /dev/mtdblock6 |
| 02:49.07 | boulez | "cannot remove (blah blah): No such file or directory |
| 02:49.43 | kergoth | ipkg files [packagename]|xargs rm -f |
| 02:49.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:50.35 | boulez | in brackets or no? |
| 02:50.42 | kergoth | no brackets |
| 02:50.44 | boulez | k |
| 02:50.47 | bbeattie | kergoth: Well, all my apps are gone. ;) heh |
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| 02:51.15 | boulez | didn't like -f |
| 02:51.30 | kergoth | huh? |
| 02:51.35 | kergoth | rm supports -f just fine. |
| 02:51.47 | boulez | invalid option |
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| 02:51.51 | boulez | I'll try again |
| 02:52.13 | boulez | is there a space before the pipe? |
| 02:52.25 | kergoth | doesnt matter |
| 02:52.33 | kergoth | go ahead and remove hte -f if you want, doesnt matter |
| 02:52.41 | boulez | k |
| 02:53.02 | bbeattie | kergoth: Does formating just one block of ram always clear all memory? |
| 02:53.08 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:53.13 | kergoth | formatting just one block of ram? |
| 02:53.35 | boulez | no such file or directory for all of the relevant files |
| 02:53.42 | bbeattie | ram memory, yes. I did the mkfs.ext2 on mtdblock6 and it cleared all my ram. |
| 02:53.54 | kergoth | what do you mean formatting just one block of ram? |
| 02:54.00 | kergoth | its a ramdisk. mkfs creates a filesystme on it. |
| 02:54.03 | kergoth | where's the confusion? |
| 02:54.23 | JasonNJ2 | you get a chance to email mitchy? |
| 02:54.33 | bbeattie | kergoth: true, the way you stated it sounded like each block was a seperate fs. |
| 02:54.40 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:54.45 | kergoth | 'each block'<-? |
| 02:54.48 | kergoth | 'block'? |
| 02:54.59 | kergoth | what exactly is this block you refer to? |
| 02:55.16 | bbeattie | /dev/ has mtdblock0-8. Or is this 6 is for ram, and 4 is for the diskonchip? |
| 02:55.58 | kergoth | first, its a flash chip, not diskonchip |
| 02:56.16 | kergoth | 'block' refers to the fact that its a block device, not a character device |
| 02:56.21 | kergoth | thats all. |
| 02:56.40 | bbeattie | right, that makes sense. Thanks. :) |
| 02:56.56 | bbeattie | .. I'm off to reinstall all my software ;) |
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| 03:52.59 | Dessimat0r | goodnight |
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| 04:21.54 | kergoth | yo prpplague |
| 04:22.20 | prpplague | kergoth: hey hey mr.digi-mon |
| 04:22.45 | kergoth | hows it goin? |
| 04:23.06 | prpplague | kergoth: not bad, almost finished clean/organizing my computer room |
| 04:23.16 | prpplague | it was mess |
| 04:23.20 | prpplague | +a |
| 04:23.44 | prpplague | kergoth: you? |
| 04:23.47 | kergoth | ah nice. |
| 04:24.05 | kergoth | takin it easy |
| 04:24.28 | prpplague | kergoth: still not ready to come down to texas and let me fix ya up with a big hair'd woman? |
| 04:25.04 | kergoth | prpplague: hah. i'd have to find one hell of a job to move my ass out of mn |
| 04:25.10 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:25.59 | prpplague | kergoth: ya well come work where i do, and you'd have "one hell of a job" and not in a sense! |
| 04:26.07 | prpplague | lol |
| 04:26.39 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:28.10 | prpplague | kergoth: seriously though, the company is on a 5 year plan have a hand in all the parts-n-pieces we use, i.e. routers, printservers, handhelds |
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| 05:05.18 | gideon | hey |
| 05:05.33 | gideon | I'm having crazy problems with my wifi |
| 05:05.52 | gideon | It detects the card and the card hits the AP but I can't ping crap. Why? |
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| 05:16.30 | kergoth | gideon: um, giving me information helps |
| 05:16.37 | kergoth | gideon: 'hits the AP' means what, precisely? |
| 05:16.44 | kergoth | gideon: what does iwconfig wlan0 output? |
| 05:16.47 | kergoth | gideon: what about ifconfig -a? |
| 05:16.51 | kergoth | gideon: is udhcpc running? |
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| 05:16.55 | kergoth | gideon: lsmod shows what? |
| 05:16.57 | kergoth | .. |
| 05:19.24 | gideon | oi |
| 05:19.25 | gideon | ! |
| 05:19.27 | gideon | sorrt |
| 05:19.52 | gideon | lemme check all this stuff now |
| 05:20.11 | kergoth | k |
| 05:20.58 | gideon | iwconfig says i've connected to AP: Good and that the link quality is 40/90 |
| 05:21.10 | kergoth | good good |
| 05:21.15 | kergoth | and ifconfig? do you have an ip? |
| 05:21.45 | gideon | ifconfig spits out a lot of stuff |
| 05:21.49 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:21.57 | kergoth | 'a lot of stuff' doesnt say much |
| 05:22.00 | kergoth | is there an *ip*? |
| 05:22.05 | gideon | err... looking |
| 05:22.22 | kergoth | k |
| 05:22.25 | gideon | i don't see one |
| 05:22.47 | gideon | but it says that wlan0 is UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTI |
| 05:22.52 | kergoth | okay, and are you using dhcp or static? |
| 05:22.57 | gideon | dhcp |
| 05:23.23 | kergoth | okay, and is udhcpc running? |
| 05:23.37 | gideon | err |
| 05:23.41 | gideon | how do i check |
| 05:25.34 | gideon | hmm |
| 05:25.43 | kergoth | Apps->Sysinfo->Processes |
| 05:25.56 | gideon | System Info shows no program called udhcp running |
| 05:26.06 | gideon | *uhdpc |
| 05:26.09 | gideon | hmm |
| 05:26.25 | kergoth | okay, run ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0; |
| 05:27.09 | gideon | /var/run/udhcpc.wlan0.pid: no such file or directory |
| 05:27.12 | gideon | hmm |
| 05:27.18 | kergoth | harmless |
| 05:27.25 | kergoth | after ifup, see if its running |
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| 05:27.53 | gideon | udhcp client started |
| 05:28.07 | kergoth | its running? |
| 05:28.12 | gideon | No Lease, failing. |
| 05:28.12 | kergoth | run ifconfig -a, see if you got an ip |
| 05:28.18 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:30.12 | gideon | how do I fix udhcpc? |
| 05:30.24 | kergoth | fix? |
| 05:30.27 | gideon | yeah |
| 05:30.27 | kergoth | udhcpc isnt broken |
| 05:30.31 | gideon | it won't lease. |
| 05:30.35 | kergoth | if its failing to obtain a lease, you have a general connectivity problem. |
| 05:30.39 | kergoth | udhcpc is _not_ broken. |
| 05:30.41 | gideon | huh? |
| 05:30.44 | kergoth | your connection _is_ broken. |
| 05:30.48 | gideon | is it the AP? |
| 05:30.53 | kergoth | how should i know? |
| 05:31.01 | kergoth | run iwconfig and make damn sure everything is correct |
| 05:31.42 | gideon | I think everything works. |
| 05:31.58 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:32.05 | kergoth | i thought you couldnt get an ip? |
| 05:32.05 | gideon | ? |
| 05:32.21 | gideon | no, I mean I think everything in iwconfig is gravy. |
| 05:32.26 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:32.27 | gideon | I still see no ip. |
| 05:32.33 | kergoth | light on the card blinky or solid? |
| 05:32.40 | kergoth | you using wep or no? |
| 05:32.49 | gideon | no |
| 05:35.46 | gideon | kergoth: what should i do? |
| 05:36.58 | kergoth | honestly, i dont know. i'm running out of ideas |
| 05:37.04 | gideon | crap |
| 05:37.09 | gideon | can I go static? |
| 05:37.23 | kergoth | of course |
| 05:37.48 | gideon | i will... I shall |
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| 05:54.25 | gideon | kergoth, you there. I have an ip now. |
| 05:57.33 | gideon | bling... it works |
| 05:57.34 | gideon | thanks |
| 05:59.17 | gideon | so how do I get a browser working? |
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| 06:14.46 | gideon | oi |
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| 06:33.33 | godsmoke | hey, is there an aim client that works with OZ? |
| 06:33.51 | Rince | tkcJabber UI guess |
| 06:34.07 | godsmoke | yeah, I'm not looking for payware :) |
| 06:34.35 | godsmoke | although tkc's stuff looks really well done |
| 06:44.15 | godsmoke | anyone know how to get the terminal to turn sideways? |
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| 07:54.43 | james_lan | small note: oz 3.1rc1 always give critical warning when being plugged in. |
| 07:56.51 | schurig | james_lan: what warning? |
| 07:57.58 | TheMasterMind1 | schurig sup |
| 07:58.17 | schurig | ?sup? |
| 07:58.35 | TheMasterMind1 | not much |
| 07:58.49 | schurig | TheMasterMind1: No, I meant: what's the meaning of "sup" ? |
| 07:59.32 | james_lan_zzz | the i have no power, keep me off until you can plug me in and recharge me warning. |
| 08:00.06 | TheMasterMind1 | schurig lol. its a short form of whats up |
| 08:02.00 | james_lan_zzz | and like the erronious message on the zaurus, but not in this case, time to recharge, later all |
| 08:02.26 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm. im' going back to bed. later |
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| 08:02.45 | carsten | re |
| 08:02.52 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
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| 12:32.19 | Piete | ya |
| 12:32.24 | AndyQ | hey Piete |
| 12:32.32 | Piete | hey :) |
| 12:32.38 | AndyQ | Piete: any doog with SDL? |
| 12:32.49 | Piete | AndyQ: negative :/ |
| 12:32.53 | AndyQ | damn :) |
| 12:33.14 | Piete | AndyQ: I need to learn how to program first :) |
| 12:33.19 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 12:33.31 | AndyQ | I'm porting SFCave to SDL and need to figure out how to rotate images |
| 12:33.41 | Piete | cool :D |
| 12:33.53 | Piete | does that mean we'll see more colors ? |
| 12:34.05 | AndyQ | maybe - Dessimat0r was going on about that |
| 12:34.28 | AndyQ | I may make a small concession and make the trails go from yellow to red or vice versa |
| 12:34.57 | Piete | AndyQ: I'm pretty sure there is an #SDL channel on this server |
| 12:35.30 | Piete | not that it helps.... |
| 12:35.33 | AndyQ | I'm sure - I've got it working on my PC but it seg faults on the Zaurus when the image rotates |
| 12:35.41 | Piete | ahh |
| 12:35.54 | Piete | is the zaurus sdl stripped down a bit? |
| 12:36.20 | AndyQ | good question - SDL its self has no way of rotating so I'm using a 3rd party library to do it |
| 12:36.30 | AndyQ | and its that I think thats going wrong :( |
| 12:36.35 | Piete | I see.. |
| 12:36.46 | Piete | whats the 3rd party lib your using? |
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| 12:36.53 | AndyQ | SDL_gfx |
| 12:37.11 | Piete | 'you're' for all you picky people out there :P |
| 12:37.18 | Piete | AndyQ: ah, I see |
| 12:37.20 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 12:37.47 | Piete | I got flamed 3 times the past week for using your and you're in the wrong places |
| 12:38.01 | AndyQ | lol |
| 12:38.57 | Piete | AndyQ: what distro do you use on the desktop? |
| 12:39.06 | AndyQ | Debian |
| 12:39.22 | Piete | stable/unstable? |
| 12:39.32 | AndyQ | unstable - I like the edge :) |
| 12:39.55 | Piete | hehe, yea I can imagine being stuck on 2.2.x can be a little boring :) |
| 12:40.14 | Piete | I wanna give debian a spin some time.. for now I'm using slackware 8.1 |
| 12:40.25 | AndyQ | haven't used slakware since version 3 :) |
| 12:40.35 | Piete | I'm desperately need of a reinstall, but that can wait for 9.0 |
| 12:40.41 | AndyQ | debians quite good once you understand and put your faith in the package manager |
| 12:40.51 | Piete | AndyQ: hehe |
| 12:41.04 | Piete | for now I prefer hand-compiled stuff - I'm still learning |
| 12:41.24 | AndyQ | I get fed up with building every damn thing from source :) |
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| 12:41.36 | AndyQ | I've build thousands of packages and still haven't a clue how automoake/conf work |
| 12:41.58 | Piete | hehe |
| 12:42.26 | Piete | AndyQ: well, I've been doing it for a year now (my complete linux experience), and I'm not fed up (yet) |
| 12:42.35 | Piete | AndyQ: and when I do I'll probably get Gentoo |
| 12:42.45 | AndyQ | I've not looked at Gentoo |
| 12:43.16 | Piete | portage looks sweet, and its based on slack afaik :) |
| 12:43.22 | Piete | (not portagE) |
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| 12:44.05 | Dessimat0r | lo all ;) |
| 12:44.10 | Piete | heya Dessimat0r :) |
| 12:44.12 | AndyQ | hey Dessimat0r |
| 12:44.37 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: any progress on sfcave-sql? |
| 12:45.01 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: Yup - got the menu in and pretty much working |
| 12:45.14 | Piete | AndyQ: but I'm really glad that I took slack as my staring distro; I'm way ahead of people that has been using linux for a year using mdk for example |
| 12:45.15 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: No new games - I'm working of figuring out how to rotate images |
| 12:45.15 | Dessimat0r | cool ;) Managed to bouble buffer yet? |
| 12:45.20 | Dessimat0r | *double |
| 12:45.26 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: Nope - not looked at that yet :) |
| 12:45.54 | Piete | AndyQ: managed to get thought-control in yet? I think I'ma break my button using that game of yours :P |
| 12:46.03 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: rotate images, eh? you need to take a pixel, and put it to a new coordinate, for every pixel |
| 12:46.04 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: I see OpenZaurus got included on the Coverdisc for Linux Format |
| 12:46.10 | Dessimat0r | using maths crap |
| 12:46.13 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: Yeah - thanks a lot :) |
| 12:46.15 | Dessimat0r | ooh :D |
| 12:46.56 | Piete | Dessimat0r: bouble-buffer? that sounds cool :P |
| 12:47.07 | AndyQ | bit like bubble bobble :) |
| 12:47.08 | Dessimat0r | void rotate() |
| 12:47.13 | AndyQ | I wish |
| 12:47.26 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 12:47.28 | AndyQ | Its only for a logo on the front menu screen |
| 12:47.37 | AndyQ | So not too important |
| 12:47.40 | AndyQ | but I want it |
| 12:47.41 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 12:47.52 | Piete | why not use a picture, and rotate that picture with gimp? :P |
| 12:48.09 | AndyQ | Piete: Coz then I'd need 360 pictures - one for each angle |
| 12:48.23 | Piete | oh |
| 12:48.38 | Piete | wow, what kind of logo is that |
| 12:48.41 | Piete | hehe |
| 12:48.48 | AndyQ | Piete: just a spinning SFCave text |
| 12:49.18 | Piete | you don't need *360* pictures for that, unless you want ultra-super-smooth rotation |
| 12:49.33 | AndyQ | Piete: I know but I still need too many to do it individually |
| 12:50.16 | Piete | whats the way you want to do it? |
| 12:50.50 | AndyQ | Piete: just have a piece of rotating text (constantly spinning round) |
| 12:51.19 | Piete | I mean, 'implement' |
| 12:51.56 | Piete | using a wireframe 2d thing in sdl? |
| 12:52.08 | AndyQ | ummm - using a library API that rotate the picture for me |
| 12:52.46 | Piete | ok :) |
| 12:53.10 | Piete | good luck with that :) I'm off to watch a flick |
| 12:54.10 | AndyQ | later |
| 12:56.18 | Dessimat0r | l8r |
| 12:57.47 | AndyQ | l8r |
| 13:18.36 | Bovine | ibot ethereal |
| 13:18.41 | | GUI network protocol analyzer. URL: http://ethereal.zing.org/, or for the Zaurus @ http://www.cartel-info.fr/pbiondi/zaurus/ |
| 13:18.49 | Bovine | ibot: ethereal |
| 13:18.51 | | GUI network protocol analyzer. URL: http://ethereal.zing.org/, or for the Zaurus @ http://www.cartel-info.fr/pbiondi/zaurus/ |
| 13:18.51 | Bovine | k |
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| 14:15.41 | numatrix | Ahhh... good to be back. |
| 14:30.04 | AndyQ | ping Dessimat0r |
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| 14:40.21 | TheMasterMind1 | yo |
| 14:40.34 | AndyQ | Hey TheMasterMind1 |
| 14:40.47 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 14:41.13 | AndyQ | TheMasterMind1: 0.2 of SFCave-sdl is available and looking pretty sweet - now has colour, cool menus and stuff |
| 14:41.25 | ljp_work | ooooo colour |
| 14:41.28 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 14:41.29 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 14:41.54 | AndyQ | yup - now just need to add the extra games in and we've caught up with old SFCave |
| 14:42.18 | AndyQ | TheMasterMind1: where should I put it now? It can't be part of opie any longer unfortunatly as it relies on SDL |
| 14:43.09 | ljp_work | sure it can |
| 14:43.16 | ljp_work | op2 relys on xine |
| 14:43.35 | AndyQ | ljp_work: k but how does it build? |
| 14:44.05 | AndyQ | ljp_work: you need the SDL stuff plus a couple of additional libraries |
| 14:44.08 | ljp_work | you have to have pam also |
| 14:44.16 | AndyQ | ljp_work: SDL_image and SDL_gfx |
| 14:44.41 | ljp_work | so, just maybe provide a rul in a readme or something |
| 14:44.45 | ljp_work | url |
| 14:45.06 | ljp_work | I dont mind that.. maybe ask on the ml |
| 14:45.08 | AndyQ | ljp_work: THats fine but surely lots of people will get pissed off coz opie no longer builds? |
| 14:45.17 | ljp_work | bah! |
| 14:45.29 | Twiun | just do it and let TMM1 fix it ;-) |
| 14:45.32 | ljp_work | let 'em eat cake! |
| 14:45.38 | AndyQ | ljp_work: hehe |
| 14:46.00 | ljp_work | might be nice to ask on ml, though |
| 14:46.02 | AndyQ | I'm more that happy to do that just don't like pissing too many people off :) |
| 14:46.08 | ljp_work | see what other devs think |
| 14:46.16 | AndyQ | ljp_work: that would probably be better - I'll do that |
| 14:46.36 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 14:46.42 | AndyQ | I'm just a nice guy really :) |
| 14:47.08 | Twiun | renice -n 10 ljp_work |
| 14:47.18 | Rince | nono... |
| 14:47.38 | Rince | renice -n -19 ljp_work[#solaris] |
| 14:47.46 | Rince | renice -n 19 ljp_work |
| 14:47.46 | Rince | :-) |
| 14:48.03 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 14:48.14 | Twiun | kill -HUP ljp_work |
| 14:48.18 | ljp_work | bash: renice: command not found |
| 14:48.19 | Rince | Hmm |
| 14:48.34 | Rince | kill -STOP ljp_work |
| 14:48.43 | Rince | far better- then we can kill -CONT do later :-) |
| 14:48.44 | ljp_work | bash: kill: permission denied |
| 14:48.52 | AndyQ | lol |
| 14:48.57 | Rince | bash? who uses bash here? |
| 14:49.08 | ljp_work | ok |
| 14:49.14 | ljp_work | dos> |
| 14:49.18 | Rince | better :-) |
| 14:49.32 | ljp_work | hmm |
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| 15:10.03 | AndyQ | anyone out there fancy beta testing SFCave-sdl 0.2 for me? |
| 15:13.10 | AndyQ | its got color and really pretty stuff in it |
| 15:13.19 | AndyQ | go on - you know you want to |
| 15:13.30 | AndyQ | ibot: fancy beta testing sfcave for me? |
| 15:13.31 | | no idea, AndyQ |
| 15:13.39 | AndyQ | ibot: just say yes |
| 15:13.41 | | AndyQ: I give up, what is it? |
| 15:13.58 | AndyQ | ibot: yes is a positive affirmation |
| 15:13.59 | | ...but yes is already something else... |
| 15:14.08 | AndyQ | ibot: possibly |
| 15:14.10 | | bugger all, i dunno, AndyQ |
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| 15:14.33 | AndyQ | hehe - you know you are in need of help when you start having conversations with to a bot :) |
| 15:14.45 | kergoth`bbl | i'd test it if i had opie installed |
| 15:14.46 | kergoth`bbl | :D |
| 15:14.51 | TheMasterMind1 | hey kergoth |
| 15:14.52 | AndyQ | hey kergoth`bbl |
| 15:14.59 | TheMasterMind1 | what all is fixed in this last bkpush |
| 15:15.02 | AndyQ | TheMasterMind1: you want to test it - don'#t you :) |
| 15:15.09 | TheMasterMind1 | i couldn't sleep last night cuz the damn zaurus made so much light |
| 15:15.15 | TheMasterMind1 | the whole room was illuminated |
| 15:15.21 | AndyQ | kergoth`bbl: OZ is on the front DVD of Linux Format here in the UK |
| 15:15.35 | TheMasterMind1 | AndyQ wow |
| 15:15.38 | AndyQ | kergoth`bbl: unfortunatly its 3.0 (pre final even) :( |
| 15:15.43 | kergoth`bbl | AndyQ: aw |
| 15:15.47 | kergoth`bbl | AndyQ: still spiffy though |
| 15:16.00 | AndyQ | kergoth`bbl: Indeed! - your work is famous! |
| 15:16.06 | kergoth`bbl | hah |
| 15:16.11 | kergoth`bbl | show me the money! |
| 15:16.13 | kergoth`bbl | :) |
| 15:16.15 | ljp_work | oz? you mean it shows a console prompt? |
| 15:16.19 | AndyQ | lol :) |
| 15:16.32 | AndyQ | ljp_work: sorry but Opie doesn't even get a mention |
| 15:16.47 | ljp_work | whats linux format? |
| 15:16.47 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: added deviceinfo, so you can check Z model # again, and fixed a bug in the keymap, and started debugging the frontlight behavior |
| 15:17.02 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 15:17.08 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: the frontlight deal.. its the power function.. it calls it to shut off the frontlight power, and for some reason that is what makes the white display |
| 15:17.16 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 15:17.20 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: not sure why, going to compare my code against the original collie backlight stuff |
| 15:17.20 | AndyQ | kergoth`bbl: OK, tell me what you've got - I mean when I ask for a beta test total silence, you show up and they all creap out of the woodwork :) |
| 15:17.30 | kergoth`bbl | hehe |
| 15:17.49 | oob | andyq - is that mag sold in shops or is it a subscription? |
| 15:17.55 | AndyQ | wheres Dess when you need him? he's always up for a reflash is things go wrong :) |
| 15:18.02 | AndyQ | oob - mag sold in the shops |
| 15:18.15 | oob | nice |
| 15:18.20 | ljp_work | whats the email addy to that editor? :) |
| 15:18.23 | AndyQ | oob indeed |
| 15:18.23 | TheMasterMind1 | AndyQ i'd test but i'm stuck in console of a .19 kernel |
| 15:18.28 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 15:18.29 | TheMasterMind1 | AndyQ ask George- |
| 15:18.43 | AndyQ | OK, Linux Format: www.linuxformat.co.uk |
| 15:18.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I should be able to finish up the battery stuff today |
| 15:18.47 | oob | i've only seen the zaurus slated by mags in the u.k. |
| 15:18.56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'd like to start on the touchscreen, but not sure if ill have time, we'll see |
| 15:19.02 | AndyQ | letters for publication: lxf.letters@futurenet.co.uk |
| 15:19.05 | oob | like "stuff" |
| 15:19.23 | AndyQ | general enquires: linuxformat@futurenet.co.uk |
| 15:20.02 | AndyQ | ljp_work: give 'em some stick! |
| 15:20.29 | AndyQ | hows .19 coming along? |
| 15:20.45 | kergoth | well |
| 15:20.45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fyi |
| 15:20.46 | ljp_work | I'll just tell them that Oz != Opie |
| 15:21.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i just applied john t's patches to upgrade our wireless extensions from 14 to 16, then upgraded wireless-tools to 25 |
| 15:21.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :) |
| 15:21.32 | kergoth | dood |
| 15:21.35 | kergoth | x86 binary of ipkg |
| 15:21.37 | kergoth | hangs trying to install |
| 15:22.06 | AndyQ | kergoth: try leaving it for 10 or more mins :) |
| 15:22.12 | kergoth | dood |
| 15:22.14 | kergoth | i left it overnight |
| 15:22.15 | kergoth | :D |
| 15:22.19 | AndyQ | hehe been dying to say that to someone |
| 15:22.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:22.30 | AndyQ | kergoth: OK, me thinks something isn't quite right :) |
| 15:23.08 | kergoth | yeah i'll say |
| 15:23.12 | ibz | linux != Gnu/Linux, Oz != Opie...sheesh, some people. ;) |
| 15:23.15 | kergoth | its hard to build an image when you cant install packages into the rootfs |
| 15:23.31 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth whoa, sweet. onyx was messing around with that theother day and came to the conclusion that we needed a newkernel for the new wireless stuff - which the newkismet needs |
| 15:23.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: welp, new kernel has it now |
| 15:23.59 | TheMasterMind1 | great |
| 15:24.02 | ljp_work | well, opie runs on more than the zaurus |
| 15:24.03 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:24.03 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 15:24.10 | kergoth | ljp_work: so does oz. |
| 15:24.10 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a new socket spectrum patch too |
| 15:24.11 | kergoth | ljp_work: :) |
| 15:24.15 | ljp_work | that'd be like saying kde == Suse |
| 15:24.27 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:24.41 | TheMasterMind1 | so we need that, along with that one patch for rfmon mode and the other patch to fix rfmon mode |
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| 15:24.49 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 15:24.56 | TheMasterMind1 | i can do all that |
| 15:24.58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: there looks like theres a newer scanning patch for orinoco |
| 15:25.00 | ibz | opie on the zaurus wouldn't be opie on the zaurus if it wasn't for OpenZaurus on the Zaurus... |
| 15:25.04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: on john t's site |
| 15:25.04 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth nice |
| 15:25.05 | ibz | heh |
| 15:25.16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: let me dig up the url, look into it, see if its newer than the other one |
| 15:25.32 | kergoth | ibz: right, opie would still work great on the ipaq |
| 15:26.01 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll try playing with AC_IN again |
| 15:26.12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dont bother, thats part of the battery work i'm doing |
| 15:26.12 | Twiun | hey ibz |
| 15:26.18 | ibz | and Oz would still work or kinda work on the dreamcast or whatever other ports there are... |
| 15:26.27 | ibz | hey Twiun |
| 15:26.29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth ah ok, anything else i can play aroudn with? |
| 15:26.32 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 15:26.36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: let me check the todo |
| 15:26.45 | kergoth | hey mickeyl |
| 15:26.56 | mickeyl | hi folks, hi kergoth. |
| 15:27.05 | mickeyl | still alive after xmas? ;) |
| 15:27.07 | ibz | Twiun: howz is going? loving the weather ? |
| 15:27.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: "Moustafa A. Youssef has updated my patches to the Orinoco driver v0.11b (both Phase 1 and 2 : convert to new API and add Wireless Events and Scanning). " |
| 15:28.00 | kergoth | "The Prism2 HostAP driver has already been converted to the new API and has scanning and event support (version 2002-09-12 and later). Actually, it also take advantage of WE-15 (see below). " |
| 15:28.09 | Twiun | ibz: absolutely wonderful! best time to stay indoors atm |
| 15:28.14 | Twiun | ibz: lots of coding to be done |
| 15:28.27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: theres a orinoco patch against v0.13a also |
| 15:28.33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html |
| 15:28.42 | mickeyl | kergoth: maybe these patches fix the spectrum in monitor mode which still hangs reproducibly |
| 15:28.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: this is the guy behind both wireless extensions and wireless-tools |
| 15:28.52 | ibz | Twiun: what you working on again? kaffe? |
| 15:29.07 | Twiun | kergoth: how much bribery do you think it'll take to get Sharp to include gif support by default in their Qt? |
| 15:29.19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: oh *dood* |
| 15:29.22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it turns out |
| 15:29.22 | ljp_work | hmm linuxformat doesnt have that issue online, so I cant read or quote that OZ thingy |
| 15:29.24 | Twiun | ibz: W O N K A! blergh! no-one ever remembers ;-) |
| 15:29.30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: new wireless-tools has a script for /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:29.32 | AndyQ | lol |
| 15:29.37 | ibz | hehe. |
| 15:29.41 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we can configure wireless parameters in it! DEATH TO WIRELESS.OPTS! |
| 15:29.41 | AndyQ | ljp_work: well, it has only just come out |
| 15:29.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh :) |
| 15:30.02 | Twiun | ibz: but, yeah, one of the JVMs |
| 15:30.18 | AndyQ | ljp_work: and its not an article really - just a bit on telling you about it and that its included on the enclosed DVD |
| 15:30.24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth sweeet |
| 15:30.55 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun hows wonka coming |
| 15:31.09 | ljp_work | ooohh |
| 15:31.18 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: ok so far... I'm having to put in my own gif support |
| 15:31.21 | kergoth | ibot: message for benmeyer: ping me when you get a chance, we need to discuss a slight networksetup change |
| 15:31.43 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: because just about every java app uses gifs |
| 15:33.35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so onyx4 tested current wireless-tools against the old kernel? |
| 15:33.46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I need to know what to ifdef-..endif based on the kernel |
| 15:35.03 | mickeyl | is upgrading wireless tools useful when we can't upgrade the wireless extensions in 2.4.6? |
| 15:35.56 | kergoth | mickeyl: probably not, but its a pain having multiple versions of the same package floating around. if new works with the old kernel, theres no reason not to upgrade |
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| 15:37.12 | mickeyl | kergoth: that's true. they're anway pretty backwards compatible, because everything is #ifdef in there. |
| 15:37.19 | mickeyl | s/anway/anyway |
| 15:37.22 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:41.26 | Twiun | anyone know why img->qImg = new QImage(); |
| 15:41.26 | Twiun | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.51 | Twiun | parse error even |
| 15:45.31 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 15:52.33 | troffasky | Is there a reason the loadavg on my zaurus is always 4.00 when it's idle? Is this an old kernel thing? |
| 15:54.22 | kergoth | troffasky: its the power management stuff, yes its an old kernel thing |
| 15:54.32 | kergoth | troffasky: my loadavg on 2.4.19-rmk4-cl1 is 0.0 0.0 0.0 |
| 15:54.33 | troffasky | right |
| 15:54.35 | kergoth | troffasky: :) |
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| 15:54.37 | troffasky | hehe |
| 15:55.18 | asys3 | ibot oz update |
| 15:55.20 | | [oz update] http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html |
| 15:55.31 | kergoth | heh i doubt thats accurate |
| 15:57.37 | asys3 | kergoth: any news about rc1 or your 2.4 port ? |
| 15:57.51 | kergoth | asys3: 2.4.19 is on schedule |
| 15:58.28 | asys3 | kergoth: you managed to compile the tc... stuff ? |
| 15:58.45 | kergoth | asys3: yep |
| 15:59.07 | kergoth | asys3: pcmcia works, backlight works, keyboard w/ new keymap now matches the key combinations in sharp exactly, but with nothing hardcoded. |
| 15:59.17 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth according to onyx, it wasn't working with .6 so he gave up |
| 15:59.59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth the spectrum patch uses orinoco code from .11b but .13 is the latest, so we'll have to figure out if we can use both together or not |
| 16:00.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: what does spectrum add to the orinoco code? |
| 16:00.31 | asys3 | kergoth: and what's the part you actually are working on ? |
| 16:00.41 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure. it might not add anything, must just be the extra spectrum_cs.c that uses orinoco code. we'll have to run some diffs and check |
| 16:00.46 | kergoth | asys3: right now? battery status checking, charging |
| 16:00.52 | kergoth | asys3: after that its touchscreen |
| 16:01.46 | asys3 | kergoth: you're doing a very good job. i use rc1 and it's quite good. |
| 16:04.06 | TheMasterMind1 | hehe |
| 16:04.46 | kergoth | i should update the news page on openzaurus.rog |
| 16:04.47 | kergoth | org |
| 16:05.26 | kergoth | why oh why |
| 16:05.31 | kergoth | does lineo name their c functions with capitals |
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| 16:05.41 | kergoth | damn people using c++ conventions in kernel space |
| 16:05.45 | kergoth | pisses me off |
| 16:05.48 | kergoth | i keep having to reformat |
| 16:05.49 | asys3 | kergoth: yes. a lot of people are hungry of oz news ;-) |
| 16:05.50 | godsmoke | ...urgh... |
| 16:06.48 | godsmoke | ok, probably a stupid, and overasked question, but why does qtmail for OZ ask for qpe-base? and where can I get it? |
| 16:06.55 | kergoth | godsmoke: you already have it. |
| 16:07.05 | kergoth | godsmoke: its not asking for qpe-base, its asking for version 1.5.0 of qpe-base |
| 16:07.08 | godsmoke | so, why does that dependency fail? |
| 16:07.09 | kergoth | godsmoke: which is fucking stupid |
| 16:07.12 | godsmoke | oh |
| 16:07.14 | TheMasterMind1 | godsmoke -force-depends |
| 16:07.23 | kergoth | godsmoke: you should never depend on a specific version of a package unless there's a specific reason for it |
| 16:07.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:07.59 | godsmoke | I didn;t |
| 16:08.03 | godsmoke | but this does |
| 16:08.19 | godsmoke | I NEED a pop3 mail client |
| 16:08.21 | godsmoke | :( |
| 16:08.26 | TheMasterMind1 | godsmoke -force-depends |
| 16:08.39 | godsmoke | TheMasterMind1: thanks |
| 16:08.40 | godsmoke | got it |
| 16:08.45 | kergoth | god i hate all these magic numbers |
| 16:08.47 | kergoth | in this code |
| 16:09.12 | kergoth | FLASH_DATA(FLASH_AD_MAGIC_ADR) == FLASH_AD_MAJIC |
| 16:09.13 | kergoth | blah |
| 16:09.19 | TheMasterMind1 | i hate the nonmagical ones |
| 16:11.18 | godsmoke | ok, another question, kinkattalite |
| 16:11.32 | godsmoke | depends on qpe-base 1.5 .... I force depends, but it still complains |
| 16:12.04 | godsmoke | and it wants to install some graphic that comes with opie-pics |
| 16:12.13 | TheMasterMind1 | -force-overwrite |
| 16:12.36 | godsmoke | what about the qpe-base problem |
| 16:12.38 | godsmoke | ? |
| 16:12.47 | ljp_work | ignore it |
| 16:12.53 | ljp_work | -force-depends |
| 16:13.05 | godsmoke | ljp_work: did that, still complained |
| 16:13.24 | TheMasterMind1 | ?? |
| 16:13.31 | godsmoke | ok, got it |
| 16:14.59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth why don't we use pcmcia-cs for modules also? why kernel pcmcia... oh, cuz of collie support, nm.. |
| 16:15.14 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:15.33 | kergoth | though actually, we're running with all the lineo crap removed except for sa1100_* right now |
| 16:15.41 | kergoth | which means, we could use pcmcia-cs modules if we wanted |
| 16:15.45 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 16:15.52 | TheMasterMind1 | this latest orinoco rfmon patch is for pcmcia |
| 16:16.02 | TheMasterMind1 | but it should apply to the kernel just fine too |
| 16:16.08 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:16.27 | TheMasterMind1 | http://airsnort.shmoo.com/orinocoinfo.html |
| 16:16.28 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:17.34 | godsmoke | there are CF orinoco cards? |
| 16:18.29 | TheMasterMind1 | orinoco based. and you can also use pcmcia cards with an adapter |
| 16:18.51 | TheMasterMind1 | the socket low power wifi and the symbol cards use orinoco based drivers |
| 16:18.55 | godsmoke | oh, ok, question about konqueror ... I remember just glancing at some solution to the "invalid magic" message when installing ... now I'm getting that message, what was the resolution to the problem? |
| 16:19.01 | godsmoke | oh, ok |
| 16:19.35 | TheMasterMind1 | you're installing from the oz feeds? |
| 16:19.59 | godsmoke | yes |
| 16:20.02 | godsmoke | stabl |
| 16:20.04 | godsmoke | stable* |
| 16:20.45 | TheMasterMind1 | it shouldn't give magic errors unless it didn't download right |
| 16:21.11 | godsmoke | hmm, I'll download again |
| 16:21.56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth the new socket spectrum drivers is just a targz with files in it. should i create patches out of it or just replace files in the tree and push |
| 16:22.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dont put it in kernel, i want orinoco and spectrum as seperate packages now |
| 16:23.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: also, i'm going to be splitting up our kernel modules packaging ala familiar, finally |
| 16:23.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm sick of one big ass package |
| 16:24.07 | ljp_work | ya. |
| 16:24.09 | godsmoke | crap, not enough free space |
| 16:24.09 | TheMasterMind1 | ah ok |
| 16:24.51 | kergoth | well |
| 16:24.55 | kergoth | modules take space in the rootfs |
| 16:25.01 | kergoth | kernel doesnt, its on a seperate partition |
| 16:25.04 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth but how do you want me to do the coding part. the modules packages is just a matter of putting different modules in seperate ipks |
| 16:25.27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: what coding part? |
| 16:25.37 | TheMasterMind1 | the code, i guess i'll just make it all work in the tree and then create one changeset |
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| 16:25.57 | ljp_work | ya, but debugging modules is easier than reflashing the kernel every time |
| 16:25.57 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth you know like for 2.4.6 we had patches that enabled this stuff, do i create patches or just put it in the tree |
| 16:26.02 | kergoth | i just told you |
| 16:26.03 | TheMasterMind1 | pnis sup |
| 16:26.05 | kergoth | arent you listening? |
| 16:26.09 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: hi! |
| 16:26.10 | kergoth | i -dont- want them -in- kernel tree |
| 16:26.15 | kergoth | *seperate* packages/ |
| 16:26.22 | kergoth | patches are harder to maintain |
| 16:26.40 | godsmoke | has anyone gotten like, full divx to play on their zaurus, through like a high-speed CF card? |
| 16:26.47 | pnis | kergoth: I sent you a bk patch to include collie_ssp in 2.4.19 |
| 16:26.50 | pnis | kergoth: it compiles |
| 16:26.58 | pnis | kergoth: but I couldn't test |
| 16:27.02 | TheMasterMind1 | pnis is that the buzzer driver or the headphone jack driver? |
| 16:27.09 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: headphone |
| 16:27.14 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 16:27.20 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: mplayer plays movies perfectly smooth with it |
| 16:27.21 | TheMasterMind1 | does it have that one ioctl that mplayer always complains about? |
| 16:27.30 | TheMasterMind1 | SND_GET_SPACE or whatever |
| 16:27.40 | TheMasterMind1 | niiiicee |
| 16:27.41 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: yes, exactly |
| 16:27.46 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: that was the trick |
| 16:27.52 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: sdl is not needed anymore |
| 16:27.53 | godsmoke | pnis: is mplayer more efficient than opieplayer2? |
| 16:28.01 | ljp_work | no |
| 16:28.03 | pnis | godsmoke: it needs much much less memory |
| 16:28.09 | godsmoke | ok |
| 16:28.13 | ljp_work | true |
| 16:28.22 | godsmoke | damn, why is konqueror SO big? |
| 16:28.32 | TheMasterMind1 | pnis so we no longer need sdl for sound or video? |
| 16:28.53 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: so sdl won't be needed either |
| 16:28.53 | ljp_work | cause the internet is big |
| 16:28.53 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: yees |
| 16:28.53 | godsmoke | ljp_work: that would constitute the word "efficient" |
| 16:28.53 | TheMasterMind1 | godsmoke opera is 2 megs.. |
| 16:28.53 | godsmoke | smaller than 6 megs |
| 16:28.54 | TheMasterMind1 | 6? |
| 16:28.57 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 16:28.57 | godsmoke | yes |
| 16:29.00 | ljp_work | different types of effecient, performance, and memory |
| 16:29.05 | godsmoke | the installed size of konqueror |
| 16:29.20 | godsmoke | is 6 megs |
| 16:29.22 | ljp_work | either its going to perform well, or use memory |
| 16:29.25 | ljp_work | err |
| 16:29.26 | kergoth | pnis: you want to work on the buzzer driver? we need to rip out the crap character device interface, and drop in a OSS implementation |
| 16:29.32 | ljp_work | not that |
| 16:29.35 | kergoth | pnis: then we'll keep around the character device interface in a sharp compatibility module |
| 16:29.47 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i don't get it. you don't want it as patches, you don't want it in the kernel tree. what do i do with it? i understand you want different packages, but isn't that just a matter of taking the modules that the kernel builds and packaging them seperately? |
| 16:29.56 | godsmoke | TheMasterMind1: http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=56 |
| 16:29.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: *kernel* wont build them!!!!! |
| 16:30.01 | godsmoke | installed full is 5.1 mb |
| 16:30.02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: packages/spectrum_cs |
| 16:30.05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: packages/orinoco |
| 16:30.09 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 16:30.12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i dont want them in the fucking 2.4.6 kernel tree |
| 16:30.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: at all |
| 16:30.15 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 16:30.19 | kergoth | okay good |
| 16:30.37 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought it needed to be in the kernel tree to compile |
| 16:30.52 | kergoth | nope, they include their own makefiles generally, in their tarballs |
| 16:30.55 | pnis | kergoth: ok, if you could send me an email about your brief ideas, I shall follow your advice |
| 16:31.01 | kergoth | pnis: will do |
| 16:31.15 | kergoth | pnis: I'm working on battery status checking and charging atm, should be working within a couple hours |
| 16:31.22 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth do we want to go with kernel pcmcia or pcmcia-cs modules |
| 16:31.25 | pnis | kergoth: thanks |
| 16:31.30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we'll package both. |
| 16:31.30 | pnis | kergoth: that's good |
| 16:31.32 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 16:31.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: just a matter of which to select for the image. we can decide that later |
| 16:31.53 | TheMasterMind1 | pnis i can test out the patch for you |
| 16:32.04 | pnis | kergoth: btw there are some things disabled in collie_ssp - do you know what this test release 0-1, etc. are, and whether those parts are needed ? |
| 16:32.18 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: that would be cool - build it as a module imho |
| 16:32.19 | kergoth | pnis: the TS/TR/etc can all be tossed |
| 16:32.23 | kergoth | pnis: none of those will ever be defined |
| 16:32.28 | pnis | kergoth: ok, than I will remove them |
| 16:32.30 | kergoth | pnis: they were development models of the Z |
| 16:32.43 | pnis | kergoth: that will make it much nicer |
| 16:32.48 | kergoth | yes |
| 16:32.50 | pnis | anyway I have to go now |
| 16:32.50 | kergoth | i've been cleaning up as i go |
| 16:32.55 | kergoth | lineo formats their code weird too |
| 16:32.58 | kergoth | they act like its c++ |
| 16:33.01 | kergoth | okay, ttyl |
| 16:33.02 | pnis | :) |
| 16:33.19 | pnis | if you have any thoughts mail me kergoth, TheMasterMind1 |
| 16:33.20 | pnis | bye |
| 16:33.21 | ljp_work | well, it _should_ be c++ code in there! |
| 16:33.46 | kergoth | woah |
| 16:33.47 | kergoth | 10:40 < mjc> jdike: I got UML to boot on win32 under cygwin, I'll send you some |
| 16:33.50 | ljp_work | class Sound{}; |
| 16:33.50 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.56 | kergoth | UML in win32 under cygwin? evilll |
| 16:34.44 | godsmoke | FUCK |
| 16:34.50 | godsmoke | konqueror doesn't work |
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| 16:35.04 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:35.06 | kergoth | konq works fine |
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| 16:35.22 | godsmoke | kergoth: not on my zaurus |
| 16:35.24 | gideon | rar |
| 16:35.57 | kergoth | godsmoke: try the one from testing |
| 16:36.02 | kergoth | godsmoke: 3.0 hasnt been touched in months |
| 16:36.02 | godsmoke | uh |
| 16:36.05 | godsmoke | ok |
| 16:36.56 | godsmoke | wont dependencies fail if I have 3.0 installed? |
| 16:37.05 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:37.05 | kergoth | no |
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| 16:37.10 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth when you build pcmcia-cs modules, it looks at the kernel source tree and doesn't build the modules if you have kernel pcmcia enabled |
| 16:37.23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we'll have to do some magic to get both built |
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| 16:37.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: need to look at debian, they package both. |
| 16:37.30 | godsmoke | kergoth: it's the same file |
| 16:37.41 | gideon | where can I get an ipk of konq? |
| 16:37.45 | kergoth | gideon: the oz feeds. |
| 16:37.48 | Lazerdye | Hello, does anyone know how to get fbvncserver working with OpenZaurus 3.0? |
| 16:37.52 | kergoth | Lazerdye: install it. |
| 16:37.58 | kergoth | Lazerdye: and _dont_ use the one from zsi |
| 16:38.00 | gideon | thanks |
| 16:38.05 | kergoth | Lazerdye: you _must_ use the one from the testing/unstable feeds |
| 16:38.31 | Lazerdye | kergoth: done, and done, I have the one from testing, and it displays fine, but it takes no input from vncviewer. |
| 16:38.37 | kergoth | then you didnt calibrate. |
| 16:38.44 | kergoth | afaicr |
| 16:39.11 | godsmoke | kergoth: how is your memory allocated on your Z? I ran out of space now, I have only installed a couple things.... |
| 16:39.31 | Lazerdye | kergoth: is there a way to force calibrating? When I start up vncserver, there's no sign that it's calibrating. |
| 16:39.36 | kergoth | godsmoke: you're being stupid |
| 16:39.39 | TheMasterMind1 | godsmoke you should be installing stuff to ram, not your root partition |
| 16:39.42 | kergoth | godsmoke: i'd say you'er installing to flash, not ram |
| 16:39.45 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:39.50 | kergoth | Lazerdye: there never is. |
| 16:39.54 | kergoth | Lazerdye: you just _do_ it |
| 16:40.00 | kergoth | Lazerdye: nothing pops up |
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| 16:40.19 | kergoth | Lazerdye: uninstall it, reinstall it, reboot, first thing you do with the touchscreen, tap the upper left, then lower right, then start the vnc server. |
| 16:40.51 | Lazerdye | kergoth: Let me try that, I don't think I rebooted. |
| 16:40.54 | kergoth | godsmoke: fyi thats fully covered in the faq. go read |
| 16:41.47 | godsmoke | kergoth: ok, well, konq is still failing at like 100 things |
| 16:42.07 | godsmoke | gives me a LONG list of failures, and doesn't install |
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| 16:43.30 | Piete | Hey guys :) me = back |
| 16:43.35 | numatrix | godsmoke: The errors when installing packages is normal. |
| 16:43.58 | numatrix | godsmoke: Has to do with the way aqpgk installs and links programs. |
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| 16:44.14 | numatrix | Yeah; hi all, I'm back too. :-) |
| 16:44.14 | AndyQ | Hey Piete |
| 16:44.15 | godsmoke | numatrix: I know, but then it doesn't actually install |
| 16:44.18 | Piete | heya kergoth :) how goes it :) |
| 16:44.24 | kergoth | hey numatrix, Piete |
| 16:44.26 | kergoth | not bad |
| 16:44.27 | AndyQ | Piete: SFCave is not in glorious colour |
| 16:44.36 | Piete | AndyQ: hehe, I was about to ask :P |
| 16:44.37 | AndyQ | s/not/now |
| 16:44.50 | Piete | :D |
| 16:44.54 | AndyQ | Piete: check it out: http://andyq.myby.co.uk/feed |
| 16:45.00 | Piete | on my way :D |
| 16:45.36 | numatrix | godsmoke: yeah, that's a problem. You installed kong from the OZ feed, right? |
| 16:45.47 | godsmoke | numatrix: yes, kergoth told me to |
| 16:46.24 | AndyQ | Piete: only real bug is that you currently can't go to the menu from the game yet |
| 16:46.36 | AndyQ | Piete: you have to quit the game and restart to do that |
| 16:46.44 | ljp_work | AndyQ: 403 |
| 16:46.50 | Piete | AndyQ: okie. |
| 16:46.51 | AndyQ | Piete: but that s only because SDL doesn't recognise theOK button |
| 16:47.18 | AndyQ | ljp_work: you can't go to it directly - haven't set up the htaccess yet - but http://andyq.myby.co.uk/feed/Packages will work |
| 16:47.28 | AndyQ | ljp_work: or failing that: http://andyq.myby.co.uk/downloads |
| 16:47.37 | Lazerdye | kergoth: No, I un-installid it, rebooted, re-installed the version from the OZ test feeds, rebooted, clicked upper left, clicked lower right, started up VNC Server, and it's still not seeing my clicks from vncviewer. |
| 16:47.38 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth we need to upgrade hostap also |
| 16:47.45 | AndyQ | ljp_work doesn't work either :) |
| 16:47.48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i know |
| 16:47.49 | Piete | heya TheMasterMind1 |
| 16:47.55 | kergoth | Lazerdye: is tssimd running? |
| 16:47.55 | TheMasterMind1 | Piete sup |
| 16:48.02 | kergoth | Lazerdye: did you install from testing or unstable? |
| 16:48.13 | Piete | TheMasterMind1: heh, I'm defrosting, thank you |
| 16:48.14 | AndyQ | ljp_work: http://andyq.myby.co.uk/downloads/sfcave-sdl_0.2_arm.ipk does work |
| 16:48.37 | Piete | AndyQ: ohhh purdy!! |
| 16:48.39 | Lazerdye | kergoth: testing. |
| 16:48.41 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.49 | kergoth | 20 peoiple have given patches into buildroot now. spiffy |
| 16:48.50 | Lazerdye | kergoth: I think they're both the same versions actually. |
| 16:48.54 | AndyQ | Pilike it? |
| 16:48.59 | AndyQ | Piete: like it? |
| 16:49.13 | Piete | like it? I LOVE it :D |
| 16:49.16 | kergoth | Lazerdye: ln -s ../init.d/fbvncinput /etc/rc2.d/S86fbvncinput; then reboot, calibrate, and run vnc server |
| 16:49.18 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 16:49.27 | Piete | that tail is especialy pretty |
| 16:49.38 | AndyQ | Piete: what about the menu screen? |
| 16:49.49 | Piete | AndyQ: *very* nice |
| 16:50.09 | numatrix | AndyQ: neo submitted (or was going to submit) a patch to sdl that would lock the hw keys to make them available to apps. Still doesn't resolve the Menu/Cancel keys, I think because of the way they're handled, but it's better than nothing. |
| 16:50.15 | Piete | AndyQ: Is it possible to color the blocks? |
| 16:50.21 | Piete | I mean 'fill' |
| 16:50.33 | AndyQ | numatrix: woot! |
| 16:50.42 | AndyQ | Piete: yup - pick your color |
| 16:50.57 | numatrix | AndyQ: yeah, that'll be nice. I've been getting on him to submit it already for a while. |
| 16:51.15 | AndyQ | numatrix: time to give hime some more hassle :) |
| 16:51.27 | Piete | AndyQ: sorry if this sounds stupid, but how do I quit it? |
| 16:51.41 | AndyQ | Piete: Cancel button |
| 16:51.47 | numatrix | AndyQ: yup. ;-) It's only a couple of lines and he's had it on deck for a whiel. |
| 16:51.53 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 16:51.59 | Piete | AndyQ: doh! |
| 16:52.17 | AndyQ | Piete: what color blocks? |
| 16:52.43 | kergoth | could make it random. when a block is about to appear have it fill with a random color? hmm |
| 16:52.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: going to test out collie_ssp in 2.4.19? |
| 16:52.58 | AndyQ | kergoth: maybe - might look tacky though :) |
| 16:53.00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: cat a wave file out it :) |
| 16:53.03 | Piete | AndyQ: the blue is fine, I just meant to make them look more erm 'solid' |
| 16:53.04 | kergoth | AndyQ: true true |
| 16:53.28 | Piete | lol |
| 16:53.30 | AndyQ | k |
| 16:53.40 | AndyQ | Piete: I'll try it out now and see what its like..... |
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| 16:54.00 | kergoth | i'm tempted to flash back to 2.4.6 to play |
| 16:54.02 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:54.38 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 16:54.44 | AndyQ | its very purdy |
| 16:55.04 | Piete | AndyQ: and later on, replacing the square 'vehicle' (:P), with a orward facing small triangle, could make it look more slick |
| 16:55.13 | Piete | forward even |
| 16:55.34 | AndyQ | Piete: I'd thought of a small oval - triangles are tricky :) |
| 16:55.51 | Piete | ah, ok :) |
| 16:56.07 | Piete | just somethime more erm, aerodynamic :P |
| 16:56.17 | AndyQ | yup |
| 16:56.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: any idea why ipkg for x86 hangs on install? |
| 16:56.52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i believe mark was running into this as well |
| 16:57.12 | numatrix | gideon: umm, did you just dcc chat me for any partcular reason? |
| 16:57.42 | Piete | AndyQ: it seems harder... |
| 16:57.56 | Piete | AndyQ: it feels as if I'm on jupiter :P |
| 16:58.09 | AndyQ | Piete: yup - thats because the SDL timings are different somehow |
| 16:58.27 | AndyQ | Piete: unfortunatly I haven't managed to duplicate the original SFCave feel :( |
| 16:58.42 | AndyQ | Piete: but on the up side, you get used to it pretty quick and I now prefer it |
| 16:59.19 | Piete | ok, I'll try it for a while :) |
| 16:59.51 | Piete | its one of those games you can play for hours and hours |
| 16:59.59 | AndyQ | yeah |
| 17:00.00 | Piete | but its really simple and fun |
| 17:01.49 | Bovine | ibot festival |
| 17:01.50 | | hmm... festival is a general multi-lingual speech synthesis system developed at CSTR. See http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/, or festival lite a much more compact festival http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/flite/index.html |
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| 17:04.23 | lazerdye | kergoth: Thanks! That was the problem, it works now! |
| 17:04.28 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth push the patch pnis sent so i can test sound. and strace ipkg on x86 and see where its hanging |
| 17:04.51 | ljp_work | AndyQ: does that come with the sdl libs? |
| 17:04.54 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth is that vnc problem fixed in buildroot? |
| 17:04.55 | kergoth | lazerdye: glad to hear it. the package is fixed, just need to tupdate the feeds |
| 17:04.58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: just pushed it |
| 17:04.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i think so |
| 17:05.00 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 17:05.04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the ssp driver is in bk |
| 17:05.18 | lazerdye | kergoth: I noticed that fbvncserver-oz was missing from the main feeds. |
| 17:05.22 | kergoth | lazerdye: ? |
| 17:05.24 | kergoth | lazerdye: no |
| 17:05.26 | AndyQ | Piete: OK, we have colored boxes and a menu reentry working |
| 17:05.31 | kergoth | lazerdye: its called fbvncserver now, not fbvncserver-oz. |
| 17:05.36 | Piete | AndyQ: neat |
| 17:05.39 | kergoth | lazerdye: and its in both testing and unstable. i doubt its in stable |
| 17:05.40 | AndyQ | ljp_work: yes it does |
| 17:05.41 | Piete | AndyQ: I'll install it now |
| 17:05.45 | AndyQ | Piete: in the feed - 0.3 |
| 17:05.48 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 17:05.51 | Piete | k |
| 17:05.55 | TheMasterMind1 | hm, do i need to do something to enable ssp? |
| 17:06.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes, its under sound |
| 17:06.10 | lazerdye | kergoth: Aha, that's what I meant, the stable feeds, it's in the package list but not on the server. |
| 17:06.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: enable sound, sa1100 sound, then collie |
| 17:06.16 | Piete | lol, I have this sound of a sonic boom in my head.. argh |
| 17:06.17 | kergoth | lazerdye: yep, i know |
| 17:07.09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth which collie d/a is it |
| 17:07.16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth and do i enable oss? |
| 17:07.34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: leave the d/a set to default |
| 17:07.37 | gideon | the best is when a relative asks you to install aol, and when you do it breaks their computer, and they blame you. |
| 17:07.37 | gideon | GRRR |
| 17:07.38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: shouldnt need to |
| 17:07.49 | godsmoke | kergoth: I'm still having some problems with konqueror ... it seems to install ok, other than the links (being installed in mtdram), but it doesn't show up in the main menu |
| 17:08.02 | kergoth | godsmoke: tried restarting opie? |
| 17:08.11 | lazerdye | Does anyone else feel that Sharp is really missing the boat here? After buying the Zaurus, I was a little dissapointed, but now after installing Open Zaurus, I am very impressed with the progress that's been made. |
| 17:08.31 | godsmoke | kergoth: ah, no I didn;t |
| 17:10.05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: try mrproper'ing your ipkg-x86 and ipkg and rebuilding and building an image, will you? |
| 17:10.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: see if you get the ipkg-x86 hang |
| 17:10.16 | Piete | AndyQ: well, I updated the feed, but it 404s when I install it |
| 17:10.30 | AndyQ | Piete: hang on.... |
| 17:10.45 | godsmoke | kergoth: nope, didn't work |
| 17:11.03 | godsmoke | when I type "konqueror |
| 17:11.09 | Piete | AndyQ: nm, it works now |
| 17:11.13 | godsmoke | " in the ocmmand line, i get a permission denied message |
| 17:11.18 | AndyQ | Piete: its my crappy cache! |
| 17:11.20 | Piete | I had to restart aqpkg |
| 17:11.20 | kergoth | godsmoke: permission denied? odd |
| 17:11.29 | godsmoke | yeah |
| 17:11.29 | kergoth | godsmoke: try ipkg-link add konqueror-embedded |
| 17:11.30 | Piete | hehe |
| 17:12.01 | lazerdye | Thanks for the help, now back to work. |
| 17:12.30 | godsmoke | kergoth: package not found |
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| 17:12.37 | kergoth | godsmoke: which one di dyou install? |
| 17:12.41 | kergoth | godsmoke: full or what? |
| 17:12.41 | Piete | AndyQ: niiice :) |
| 17:13.02 | godsmoke | kergoth: the smaller one, not full |
| 17:13.09 | AndyQ | Piete: glad you aprove |
| 17:13.38 | godsmoke | kergoth: ahh, found it, it's called konqueror-snapshot |
| 17:13.40 | numatrix | godsmoke: ipkg-link add konqueror-snapshot |
| 17:13.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:13.45 | kergoth | yeah, that |
| 17:13.45 | numatrix | heh; yeah, there you go |
| 17:13.56 | godsmoke | kergoth: ok, now what do I do? |
| 17:14.01 | kergoth | godsmoke: restart opie |
| 17:15.02 | godsmoke | kergoth: didn't help |
| 17:15.39 | numatrix | godsmoke: You check the permission on the executable yet? |
| 17:15.56 | godsmoke | numatrix: uhh ... root should have enough privs :) |
| 17:16.59 | TheMasterMind1 | godsmoke no, not if its not chmodded right |
| 17:17.09 | numatrix | godsmoke: If for some reason the file isn't +x then it won't matter who you are. :-) And since you told me that you get permission denied when trying to run it on the command line, it might be. |
| 17:17.41 | godsmoke | maybe ... but I just tried to run "konqueror_light" and it gave me errors about not being able to find images in the QT paths |
| 17:18.43 | godsmoke | where is konqueror? |
| 17:19.12 | numatrix | godsmoke: I don't know offhand; like I said before: which konqueror will tell you |
| 17:19.34 | godsmoke | came up with nothing |
| 17:20.00 | numatrix | and yet you get permission denied when you run konqueror by itself? One sec, I'll open up the ipk. |
| 17:20.07 | godsmoke | ok |
| 17:20.07 | kergoth | godsmoke: ipkg files konqueror-snapshot|grep bin |
| 17:20.11 | kergoth | numatrix: ^^easier |
| 17:20.12 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:20.13 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hm, it can't find asm/arch/tc35143.h |
| 17:20.26 | numatrix | kergoth: definitely. /me is still rusty from coming back from vacation. ;-) |
| 17:20.32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thats in the tree. |
| 17:20.41 | kergoth | numatrix: hehe |
| 17:20.47 | TheMasterMind1 | i just bk -r edit -q |
| 17:20.52 | godsmoke | kergoth: package not installed |
| 17:21.10 | kergoth | godsmoke: ipkg files -d mtdram konqueror-snapshot|grep bin |
| 17:21.11 | numatrix | He might be running an old ipkg |
| 17:21.18 | kergoth | nah, files needs the dest |
| 17:21.22 | numatrix | kergoth: yeah; I was about to say that. |
| 17:21.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:21.27 | hardwire | kergoth: have I ever told you you have a great accent! |
| 17:21.31 | numatrix | Doesn't the new one try different destinations automatically? |
| 17:21.41 | kergoth | hardwire: ? |
| 17:21.47 | kergoth | numatrix: dunno |
| 17:22.03 | godsmoke | kergoth: did it with the dest, still no package |
| 17:22.20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: oops.. that file wasnt in the tree after all |
| 17:22.21 | godsmoke | ipkg files -dest mtdram konqueror-snapshot |
| 17:22.21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 17:22.22 | numatrix | kergoth: Do you have a MN accent? ay? |
| 17:22.28 | gideon | hey. |
| 17:22.31 | Piete | where do the PIM apps store the data (addresses/todos etc)? |
| 17:22.37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth heh, push it |
| 17:22.39 | kergoth | numatrix: yeah. not as bad as you see in Fargo, but yeah |
| 17:22.42 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:22.43 | gideon | when should 3.1 come out? |
| 17:22.55 | Piete | on xmas |
| 17:22.56 | numatrix | kergoth: A bunch of good friends of mine were from Moorhead and fargo. |
| 17:22.57 | Piete | oh, wait |
| 17:23.00 | godsmoke | damnit |
| 17:23.01 | kergoth | gideon: probably not for another 3-4 weeks |
| 17:23.05 | godsmoke | I just want a web browser |
| 17:23.10 | ibz | Piete: find / -name \*.xml |
| 17:23.14 | kergoth | godsmoke: you _did_ install it to the ramdisk right? |
| 17:23.19 | kergoth | godsmoke: or di dyou install to cf/sd? |
| 17:23.19 | godsmoke | kergoth: yes |
| 17:23.25 | godsmoke | on the mtdram |
| 17:23.34 | Piete | ... |
| 17:23.39 | kergoth | cat /mnt/ram/usr/lib/ipkg/info/konq*files*|grep bin |
| 17:23.48 | numatrix | godsmoke: find / -name konq |
| 17:24.12 | kergoth | s/konq$/"konq*"/; |
| 17:24.14 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:24.17 | Piete | thanks :) |
| 17:24.25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: bk pull |
| 17:24.41 | Piete | ibz: sorry, its late, I thought you were ibot saying another random thing to a random person :P |
| 17:24.50 | numatrix | kergoth: Doh. Yeha. |
| 17:24.52 | godsmoke | it finds it in /opt/Qtpalmtop/bin/konqueror |
| 17:24.53 | Piete | ibz: lol |
| 17:25.06 | numatrix | godsmoke: Where it should. but that's just the sym link. |
| 17:25.14 | numatrix | godsmoke: ls -l /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/konqueror |
| 17:25.18 | godsmoke | well, that's all that it finds |
| 17:25.58 | numatrix | godsmoke: what oz are you using? 3.0? Have you upgraded to any feeds lately? You might want to upgrade your ipkg, remove konq and try again. |
| 17:26.35 | godsmoke | ... |
| 17:26.40 | ibz | ibot ibz |
| 17:26.42 | | you are, like, not ibot nor is he a bot |
| 17:26.48 | godsmoke | I have to leave in like 15 minute to the airport |
| 17:26.58 | godsmoke | and I needed a webbrowser to check network stats |
| 17:27.16 | godsmoke | so, I thought, hey, I'll allow an hour to be safe :) |
| 17:27.33 | numatrix | godsmoke: normally that'd be enough. You could always flash back to sharp if you're desperate. |
| 17:27.37 | ibz | ibz botsnack |
| 17:27.39 | ibz | doh! |
| 17:27.44 | ibz | ibot botsnack |
| 17:27.44 | | thanks ibz :) |
| 17:27.44 | godsmoke | numatrix: oh god .. |
| 17:27.50 | numatrix | godsmoke: :-) |
| 17:28.00 | numatrix | Like I said. If you're desperate. |
| 17:28.05 | godsmoke | yeah... |
| 17:28.12 | godsmoke | have to set up everything again |
| 17:28.28 | TheMasterMind1 | godsmoke type which konqueror |
| 17:28.29 | godsmoke | if I did |
| 17:28.37 | godsmoke | TheMasterMind1: did, got nothing back |
| 17:28.54 | numatrix | godsmoke: ls /mnt/ram/opt/QtPalmtop/bin |
| 17:29.12 | TheMasterMind1 | godsmoke ipkg remove and reinstall ti |
| 17:29.23 | TheMasterMind1 | try the snapshot-full versoin |
| 17:29.24 | godsmoke | TheMasterMind1: did that alredy |
| 17:29.45 | Piete | just reflash :P It will take less than 13 minutes |
| 17:29.45 | godsmoke | TheMasterMind1: says that it isn't installed |
| 17:29.48 | numatrix | Hmm, yeah, you could try the snapshot-full. That's not a bad idea. |
| 17:30.03 | Piete | ok, sorry, I shouldnt have said that |
| 17:30.04 | godsmoke | numatrix: that's what tried frist |
| 17:30.07 | TheMasterMind1 | godsmoke then install snapshot-full with -force-ovewrite |
| 17:30.09 | Piete | nite people |
| 17:30.10 | gideon | can 3.1rc1 screw up my z? |
| 17:30.17 | TheMasterMind1 | gideon no. |
| 17:30.24 | gideon | thanks |
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| 17:30.41 | Piete | gideon: nope, its imgo more reliable than anything out there |
| 17:30.45 | Piete | imho even |
| 17:30.56 | AndyQ | OK, gotta go - later |
| 17:31.18 | numatrix | Piete: in your good opinion? That works too, I guess. ;-) |
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| 17:35.09 | godsmoke | GOT IT WORKING!!! |
| 17:35.12 | godsmoke | :D |
| 17:35.17 | TheMasterMind1 | godsmoke heh |
| 17:35.18 | TheMasterMind1 | how ? |
| 17:35.28 | godsmoke | 3 force removes |
| 17:35.33 | godsmoke | and then 2 force reinstalls |
| 17:35.36 | godsmoke | :) |
| 17:35.54 | godsmoke | ugly |
| 17:35.54 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 17:35.59 | TheMasterMind1 | force-reinstall doesn't do anything |
| 17:36.08 | godsmoke | well, it did something here |
| 17:36.13 | TheMasterMind1 | interesting |
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| 17:36.25 | godsmoke | maybe it was the force removes that did it |
| 17:36.46 | godsmoke | because there were 2 failed installs in root due to lack of space |
| 17:37.42 | numatrix | godsmoke: just in time. :-) |
| 17:37.52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: tried collie_ssp yet? ;) |
| 17:37.52 | godsmoke | yes, |
| 17:38.00 | godsmoke | I allowed about 5 minutes of cushin |
| 17:38.13 | godsmoke | (12:45 was my leaving point) |
| 17:39.09 | godsmoke | ok, I'm off |
| 17:39.13 | godsmoke | thanks for the help |
| 17:39.53 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth it won't comile |
| 17:39.54 | TheMasterMind1 | compile even |
| 17:40.02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i pushed tc35143.h |
| 17:40.05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it compiles here |
| 17:40.14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: whats the error? |
| 17:40.24 | TheMasterMind1 | undeclared variables: sq_unit, mixer_unit |
| 17:40.39 | TheMasterMind1 | line 1729 |
| 17:40.50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you'll have to build it as a module |
| 17:40.56 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
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| 17:40.58 | TheMasterMind1 | doh |
| 17:40.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: from what i can tell |
| 17:41.02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we can fix it later |
| 17:41.03 | hardwire | hi |
| 17:41.22 | kergoth | hey hardwire |
| 17:41.26 | hardwire | so .. can you reprogram the uid/mid of the usb chip on the Z |
| 17:41.34 | hardwire | like tell it to be 6969:6969 or something |
| 17:41.37 | lsmith | goody .. php 4.3 released |
| 17:41.46 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i make all the options M ? |
| 17:41.53 | kergoth | well, usb is all handled in the sa1110 |
| 17:41.56 | kergoth | there is no usb chip |
| 17:42.01 | hardwire | you are shitting me |
| 17:42.03 | kergoth | read the sa1110 developer manual |
| 17:42.06 | hardwire | YOU.. SHIT.. ME! |
| 17:42.09 | kergoth | under the peripheral controller |
| 17:42.14 | kergoth | UART 1 afaicr |
| 17:42.14 | hardwire | NO FREAKING WAY! |
| 17:42.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:42.24 | kergoth | chill! |
| 17:42.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:42.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: for sound, yeah |
| 17:42.44 | hardwire | I should be able to control halo w/ the keyboard now! |
| 17:42.48 | hardwire | that would be heaven |
| 17:42.51 | gideon | if you don't mind me asking, why 2.4.19? |
| 17:43.01 | kergoth | gideon: its the latest available stable arm kernel. |
| 17:43.05 | kergoth | gideon: why not? |
| 17:43.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:43.24 | gideon | is it any faster, better? how? |
| 17:43.31 | kergoth | go read the fucking changelog |
| 17:43.35 | kergoth | from 2.4.6 to 2.4.19 |
| 17:43.37 | numatrix | gideon: There are a ton of good reasons. |
| 17:43.49 | gideon | oh |
| 17:43.52 | numatrix | gideon: Best way is as kergoth put it in his usual gentle tone, to read the changelog. ;-) |
| 17:43.53 | kergoth | better power management, better memory managemetn, new wireless extensions |
| 17:43.55 | kergoth | etc etc etc |
| 17:44.02 | gideon | ok |
| 17:44.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:44.25 | kergoth | in his usual gentle tone <-hah |
| 17:44.41 | numatrix | kergoth: I thought you might like that. ;-) |
| 17:44.54 | numatrix | Speaking of better battery (it's a stretch, but whatever)--has anybody heard from the sharp d00ds any recent news about the 5600? |
| 17:45.05 | kergoth | i havent heard anything |
| 17:45.14 | numatrix | Getting, even. |
| 17:45.16 | kergoth | i sent a formal request for c700 sources, but forgot to ask for the b500/5600 |
| 17:45.20 | TheMasterMind1 | argh. zaurus.com pisses me off |
| 17:45.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: why? |
| 17:45.34 | numatrix | Ohh, new homepage. |
| 17:45.34 | TheMasterMind1 | its slow |
| 17:45.53 | numatrix | What the heck is on the back of the zaurus on the zaurus.com homepage? The circular thing? |
| 17:46.08 | hardwire | hmm |
| 17:46.14 | hardwire | now I can make fake usb devices :) |
| 17:46.34 | kergoth | hardwire: you can? |
| 17:46.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:46.44 | hardwire | sure.. using the Z |
| 17:47.20 | hardwire | make one that emulates a joystick |
| 17:47.27 | hardwire | or an xbox controller |
| 17:47.52 | hardwire | cover the Z in a screen protector and I now have a cirque mouse pad |
| 17:48.03 | hardwire | a big.. lit up one with active color feedback |
| 17:48.10 | TheMasterMind1 | fake usb devices? |
| 17:48.24 | hardwire | well.. they would be "real" |
| 17:48.30 | hardwire | just I programmed them |
| 17:51.20 | kergoth | yea, makes sense |
| 17:51.27 | kergoth | the Z is already a usb device, just need the right driver |
| 17:51.33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth collie_battery is bitching at me |
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| 17:51.56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: remove it from the collie line in arch/arm/mach-sa1100/Makefile. didtn mean to commit that |
| 17:52.02 | godsmoke|zaurus | sigh |
| 17:52.14 | godsmoke|zaurus | konq sucks < |
| 17:52.24 | godsmoke|zaurus | :) |
| 17:52.29 | kergoth | go rip opera out of a sharp rom then |
| 17:52.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:52.35 | godsmoke|zaurus | heh |
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| 17:56.32 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
| 17:59.21 | godsmoke|zaurus | wow, ircing from the car is fun :) |
| 17:59.46 | godsmoke|zaurus | ta ta |
| 18:01.21 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how come my CF mounts as msdos instead of vfat? |
| 18:02.41 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i have a usbf device under ifconfig |
| 18:03.19 | numatrix | godsmoke: what wireless are you on? |
| 18:03.29 | hardwire | anybody have a laptop touch pad? |
| 18:03.43 | gideon | hey! where did my little wifi taskbar applet go. It doesn't run in rc1. Is this normal? |
| 18:04.04 | hardwire | gideon: got a goat? |
| 18:04.09 | kergoth | gideon: install it |
| 18:04.12 | gideon | err |
| 18:04.14 | gideon | oh |
| 18:04.14 | gideon | ok |
| 18:04.27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth did you not enable vfatg? |
| 18:04.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its enabled, but for some reason automount is trying msdos first |
| 18:04.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: cat /proc/filesystems |
| 18:04.58 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hmm, but i tried -t vfat and it still does it as msdos |
| 18:05.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: cat /proc/filesystems |
| 18:05.32 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 18:05.33 | TheMasterMind1 | usbf works |
| 18:05.37 | TheMasterMind1 | no patches and shit needed |
| 18:05.46 | TheMasterMind1 | that's so sweet |
| 18:05.54 | pb_ | I thought you OZ dudes were using the lineo usbd nowadays? |
| 18:06.00 | TheMasterMind1 | not anymore |
| 18:06.02 | TheMasterMind1 | or we might |
| 18:06.05 | TheMasterMind1 | we have a choice now |
| 18:06.08 | kergoth | we have both as options |
| 18:06.14 | pb_ | ah right. |
| 18:07.12 | TheMasterMind1 | what is usbdcore? |
| 18:07.17 | TheMasterMind1 | for usbd i'm guessing? |
| 18:07.24 | TheMasterMind1 | won't let me rmmod it |
| 18:07.34 | pb_ | sounds like it. taking a stab in the dark, I would suspect it is the core of usbd. |
| 18:07.46 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:07.57 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth damn, your minimal initrd doesn't have ssh! |
| 18:08.45 | TheMasterMind1 | pb_ how are the BND bahai drivers for windows? do they work ok? |
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| 18:09.32 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: a lot of people have had trouble with them. Partly just general trouble, and partly that each version is timebombed so it only works for a couple of months. |
| 18:09.47 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: however, if you need to connect from a windows machine, they seem to be about the only game in town. |
| 18:09.49 | TheMasterMind1 | pb_ the latest says it ends march 2003 |
| 18:10.15 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: yah. trouble is, they are almost always late in releasing the "next" version, so there is a period when no working version is available. |
| 18:10.22 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 18:12.33 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: it would be really cool if someone could write a genuinely free usb driver for windows. I can't imagine it is actually all that difficult if you have the tools. |
| 18:13.31 | TheMasterMind1 | that would be nice.. |
| 18:14.45 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth the keyboard delay needs to be longer still |
| 18:15.38 | kergoth | i know |
| 18:15.41 | kergoth | i told you that already |
| 18:15.49 | kergoth | the problem isnt the delay< the problem is concurrency |
| 18:16.58 | TheMasterMind1 | oh ok. i thought you fix it already |
| 18:17.28 | kergoth | nah, not yet |
| 18:17.35 | kergoth | i have higher priorities right now |
| 18:17.57 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, ok |
| 18:18.02 | TheMasterMind1 | hm, this module won't load |
| 18:18.25 | TheMasterMind1 | sound_core.o has some weird symbol: mod_firmware_load_r39... |
| 18:18.54 | kergoth | you are using modprobe right? |
| 18:18.57 | kergoth | not insmod |
| 18:19.39 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 18:19.48 | kergoth | whats the error, exactly? |
| 18:20.06 | TheMasterMind1 | modprobe collie_ssp |
| 18:20.12 | TheMasterMind1 | tries to load sound_core.o |
| 18:20.44 | TheMasterMind1 | sound_core.o: unresolved symbol: mod_firmware_load_R39e3dd23 |
| 18:21.07 | TheMasterMind1 | depmod -a says collie_ssp has unresolved symbols, but doesn't give a list of them |
| 18:21.16 | pb_ | try with -e |
| 18:21.55 | pb_ | the _R39.. bit is modversions at work. it's kind of like C++ name mangling; tries to stop you accidentally mixing incompatible modules. |
| 18:22.03 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 18:22.07 | TheMasterMind1 | collie_under_recording |
| 18:22.16 | TheMasterMind1 | m62332_senddata |
| 18:22.24 | TheMasterMind1 | autoPowerCancel |
| 18:22.30 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe i'm missing one of the .o |
| 18:23.06 | kergoth | m62332.o should have been linked into your kernel in arch/arm/mach-sa1100/ |
| 18:23.10 | kergoth | confirm in the Makefile |
| 18:23.21 | kergoth | autoPowerCancel, that one definately should be unresolved right now |
| 18:24.52 | TheMasterMind1 | m6 was linked |
| 18:27.11 | TheMasterMind1 | according to makefile anyway |
| 18:27.27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth changing fstab to mount as vfat works |
| 18:27.57 | carsten | kergoth: what shall I use? testing or unstable as a feed? You can guess what I do with my Z |
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| 18:28.58 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 18:29.07 | kergoth | carsten: testing, probably |
| 18:29.22 | Dessimat0r | whats the status of the new kernel? |
| 18:29.30 | carsten | k |
| 18:31.07 | TheMasterMind1 | Dessimat0r what new kernel |
| 18:32.26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: added new hostap build to the buildroot. seperate package |
| 18:32.34 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 18:33.13 | kergoth | going to test my wifi in 2.4.19 |
| 18:33.13 | kergoth | :D |
| 18:33.39 | TheMasterMind1 | is .19 in the kernel? |
| 18:33.46 | kergoth | you mean buildroot? |
| 18:33.47 | kergoth | sort of |
| 18:34.07 | kergoth | ~/coding/userspace/buildroot-2.95$ ipkgfiles output/ipks/hostap-modules_2002-10-12-1_arm.ipk |grep \\.o |
| 18:34.10 | kergoth | -rw-r--r-- root/root 3628 2002-12-27 12:47:09 ./lib/modules/2.4.19-rmk4-cl1/net/hostap_crypt.o |
| 18:34.13 | kergoth | -rw-r--r-- root/root 4964 2002-12-27 12:47:09 ./lib/modules/2.4.19-rmk4-cl1/net/hostap_crypt_wep.o |
| 18:34.16 | kergoth | -rw-r--r-- root/root 86780 2002-12-27 12:47:09 ./lib/modules/2.4.19-rmk4-cl1/net/hostap.o |
| 18:34.19 | kergoth | -rw-r--r-- root/root 65988 2002-12-27 12:47:09 ./lib/modules/2.4.19-rmk4-cl1/pcmcia/hostap_cs.o |
| 18:34.22 | kergoth | w00t |
| 18:34.25 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 18:41.01 | troffasky | I've hacked together an external battery pack for my Z: http://www.troffasky.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ww/bp.html |
| 18:41.21 | numatrix | ibot power |
| 18:41.23 | | hmm... power is for newer opie releases you need to have apmd installed to have a working power button. or see external power |
| 18:41.28 | numatrix | ibot external power |
| 18:41.30 | | external power is probably http://www.instant-power.com/sales/mod_sale8.cfm?dev=pda&bra=sharp&mods=SL5000 or solar power or http://www.araengineering.com/ipaq.htm or http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/ipowerpak-review.html, or ask about digipower |
| 18:41.37 | numatrix | ibot external power is also http://www.troffasky.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ww/bp.html |
| 18:41.39 | | okay, numatrix |
| 18:41.49 | numatrix | Cool, troffasky, thanks. |
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| 18:46.05 | kergoth | fuck |
| 18:46.09 | kergoth | usbdmonitor just oopsed |
| 18:47.11 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, it doedsn't work either |
| 18:47.13 | TheMasterMind1 | usbd that is |
| 18:47.15 | TheMasterMind1 | usbf works |
| 18:47.33 | kergoth | yep, i know |
| 18:47.38 | kergoth | i'll have to fix this |
| 18:48.28 | Dessimat0r | lol, i now have SDL components in Delphi ;) |
| 18:53.11 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm,m |
| 18:56.25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth where do i find the latest orinoco_cs ? |
| 18:56.52 | TheMasterMind1 | ozlabs? |
| 18:56.56 | mickeyl | http://www.ozlabs.com/people/dgibson/dldwd/ |
| 18:57.13 | mickeyl | 0.12 was a desaster, 0.13 is shaping up good |
| 18:57.47 | TheMasterMind1 | should i use .13beta or .13a? |
| 18:58.03 | mickeyl | TMM: 0-13a |
| 18:58.16 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 18:58.34 | mickeyl | TMM: 013beta is pre 0.13, 0.13a is the first "service" release after 0.13 |
| 18:58.55 | mickeyl | TMM: I wonder why Dave isn't naming them 0.x.1, 0.x.2 etc... would be easier :) |
| 18:59.10 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 19:00.27 | kergoth | bleh, reboot time |
| 19:01.14 | TheMasterMind1 | whats that |
| 19:05.02 | *** join/#openzaurus tronical (~simon@fauia27.informatik.uni-erlangen.de) |
| 19:05.04 | kergoth | k |
| 19:05.28 | tronical | Wget.pm->go(): running 'wget --passive-ftp http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/source/linux-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-sl5000d-20020318.gz'.. [ .... ] -> 20:11:22 ERROR 404: Object Not Found. |
| 19:05.51 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:05.54 | TheMasterMind1 | nice. |
| 19:05.55 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:05.57 | kergoth | sharp yanked it? wtf? |
| 19:06.11 | kergoth | well, its about time we mirrored those files anyway |
| 19:06.43 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:06.47 | TheMasterMind1 | we won't be using it for long anyway |
| 19:07.36 | *** join/#openzaurus Dilb (1000@lns-p19-7-81-56-154-88.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 19:07.43 | Bovine | ibot serial |
| 19:07.45 | | serial is, like, A means of operation meaning in series, or one after the other. or http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?SerialPort |
| 19:07.57 | Bovine | ibot serial-cable |
| 19:07.59 | | i don't know, Bovine |
| 19:08.02 | Bovine | ibot serial cable |
| 19:08.04 | | extra, extra, read all about it, serial cable is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/ActiveSync or mod ibot's cable so that the keyboard opens: http://www.pellicosystems.com/demolinux/rs232mod/index.html |
| 19:08.04 | beattie | what's the current state of the 2.4.19 kernel, much left to do? I'm wading through 6 days of email |
| 19:08.23 | Bovine | ibot zaurus serial |
| 19:08.25 | | i don't know, Bovine |
| 19:08.32 | kergoth | beattie: doing battery status/charging now. touchscreen and buzzer audio remain |
| 19:08.37 | kergoth | beattie: along with a few other minor bits |
| 19:08.38 | troffasky | google it, Bovine |
| 19:08.39 | gideon | uh... or a thinz |
| 19:09.20 | gideon | why can't my wifi work? |
| 19:09.26 | gideon | :-( |
| 19:09.45 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 19:09.50 | gideon | yeah |
| 19:09.52 | kergoth | gideon: check dmesg |
| 19:09.58 | kergoth | gideon: what does it show the link status as? |
| 19:11.44 | kergoth | troffasky: ah, when using oz@, you need an account |
| 19:11.46 | kergoth | er |
| 19:11.47 | kergoth | tronical: |
| 19:11.59 | kergoth | tronical: email me a sshv1 public key, i'll just give you push access |
| 19:12.05 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hmm, whats going on. my Z's screen turns white and then goes back to console. some debug thing? |
| 19:12.09 | tronical | ohh =) |
| 19:12.09 | troffasky | kergorth: eh? |
| 19:12.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: when? |
| 19:12.25 | kergoth | troffasky: mis tab completed |
| 19:12.28 | kergoth | troffasky: meant tronical :) |
| 19:12.32 | troffasky | ah |
| 19:12.33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth when its left on for a bit |
| 19:12.37 | gideon | the wireless applet says its connected to my ap. |
| 19:12.43 | Dilb | hi |
| 19:12.53 | gideon | i can't get an ip from my dhcp server though |
| 19:13.19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it should turn white and stay white until you hit a key |
| 19:16.33 | tronical | kergoth: sent |
| 19:18.16 | tronical | looks like this is where the kernel moved? http://community.zaurus.com/project/showfiles.php?group_id=16384&release_id=18040 |
| 19:18.31 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:18.42 | *** join/#openzaurus ljp_work (~ljp@01-062.026.popsite.net) |
| 19:21.24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth it used to do that, but with the latest build it doesn't, it turns back to console and i can see "collie_power(): 0 and collie_power(): 1" |
| 19:22.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ah, i wonder if the printk is actually waking us back up |
| 19:22.41 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:24.25 | j0sh | i did what the site says, it seems to get further, but it says: The address is not available from this machine, could it be limitations from my main machine? |
| 19:24.37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth might be |
| 19:24.54 | kergoth | j0sh: no idea. and what does this have to do with openzaurus? arent you on sharp? |
| 19:25.04 | j0sh | err wrong channel :) |
| 19:25.05 | j0sh | sorry |
| 19:25.36 | ljp_work | he knows the samrtest guys are here in #openzaurus |
| 19:25.48 | ljp_work | heh I mean smartest |
| 19:25.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:25.55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth does the tree have the latest wireless.h and stuff? |
| 19:28.55 | TheMasterMind1 | doesit doesit doesit? |
| 19:35.01 | kergoth | tronical: see if you can bk pull now. it should use key auth rather than password this time |
| 19:36.11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not yet, thats all in my local tree. ill push in a sec here |
| 19:36.23 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 19:36.25 | TheMasterMind1 | push please |
| 19:39.33 | tronical | kergoth: works. thanks! |
| 19:39.48 | kergoth | tronical: np. now you can push your fixes yourself :) |
| 19:40.18 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl|tv have you tried orinoco .13a? doesn't seem to compile for me. orinoco.c uses orinoco_lock and unlock in wlansniff() with one argument whereas the rest of the file uses it with two arguments |
| 19:41.15 | TheMasterMind1 | oh wait, its this patch that's wrong |
| 19:41.17 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmmm |
| 19:41.32 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth the orinoco wlan sniff patch is not up to date with latest ornico code |
| 19:41.35 | TheMasterMind1 | fun |
| 19:41.37 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:41.40 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme see if i can port it |
| 19:41.44 | kergoth | btw, did you apply the patch from john? |
| 19:41.52 | kergoth | that updates it to the latest wireless extensions features? |
| 19:41.53 | TheMasterMind1 | which one is that |
| 19:41.59 | kergoth | the one i gave you the url to |
| 19:42.04 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 19:42.08 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm on console :\ |
| 19:42.12 | TheMasterMind1 | in console even |
| 19:42.31 | kergoth | http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ori.13a.we14.jim.diff |
| 19:42.40 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 19:42.42 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 19:42.46 | TheMasterMind1 | it patches 13a |
| 19:43.12 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:43.47 | TheMasterMind1 | ww |
| 19:43.48 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 19:43.51 | TheMasterMind1 | it failed horribly |
| 19:44.39 | kergoth | did you aplpy it before or after your monitor patch? |
| 19:44.40 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:44.43 | TheMasterMind1 | before |
| 19:44.54 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm patching a freshly extraced .13a |
| 19:45.52 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:45.53 | kergoth | odd |
| 19:45.59 | kergoth | http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html |
| 19:46.34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: what was the error on the patch? |
| 19:48.24 | TheMasterMind1 | it just has a whole bunch of fails |
| 19:48.26 | TheMasterMind1 | lots of em |
| 19:48.31 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:48.35 | TheMasterMind1 | 17 out of 110 failed |
| 19:48.40 | kergoth | 17.. |
| 19:48.44 | kergoth | its like theres a previous patch we need first |
| 19:48.46 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:48.57 | kergoth | do you know what wireless extensions version that 13a needs/ |
| 19:48.57 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:49.02 | TheMasterMind1 | no clue |
| 19:49.28 | kergoth | check |
| 19:49.31 | kergoth | it probably has a version check |
| 19:49.40 | kergoth | or check the readme |
| 19:50.40 | TheMasterMind1 | .08 updated to extensions 12 |
| 19:50.51 | TheMasterMind1 | looking at this changelog |
| 19:50.57 | kergoth | k |
| 19:51.06 | TheMasterMind1 | it says in TODO: new wireless extensions api (patch forthcoming from moustafa youssef |
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| 19:51.34 | TheMasterMind1 | but i would think a patch for 13a would apply to 13a cleanly |
| 19:52.40 | kergoth | and this is the patch from moustafa.. |
| 19:52.44 | kergoth | what are we missing? |
| 19:52.50 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:53.18 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 19:53.18 | TheMasterMind1 | btw |
| 19:53.22 | TheMasterMind1 | look at the jean page |
| 19:53.27 | TheMasterMind1 | it says "i have not test that patch" |
| 19:53.30 | TheMasterMind1 | its contrib |
| 19:54.06 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:54.13 | kergoth | maybe we just need to fix the failed hunks |
| 19:54.27 | kergoth | you want to, or do you want to push and i can? |
| 19:54.34 | kergoth | i'm pushing hostap now |
| 19:54.53 | TheMasterMind1 | yea push what you have |
| 19:55.16 | kergoth | i pushed the new wireless extensions in the 2.4.19 tree |
| 19:55.39 | kergoth | you know, if you reformat the lineo code, its almost readable |
| 19:55.45 | kergoth | still messy and more complex than it should be |
| 19:55.51 | kergoth | but you can actually read it without getting a migraine |
| 19:55.59 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:56.05 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa |
| 19:56.10 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:56.10 | TheMasterMind1 | my z just turned off i think |
| 19:56.18 | TheMasterMind1 | must be out of power |
| 19:56.20 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:57.33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hm, grr. look at this patch, half of it is reformatting of spaces to tabs |
| 19:57.40 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:57.46 | kergoth | install patchutils |
| 19:57.55 | kergoth | er |
| 19:57.55 | kergoth | n/m |
| 19:57.57 | kergoth | misunderstood |
| 19:57.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:58.10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:59.21 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth heh, i doubt all this will work together. spectrum24 + latest orinoco 13a + rfmon patch for orinoco |
| 19:59.25 | TheMasterMind1 | too much changing all at once |
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| 19:59.58 | kergoth | try just orinoco + new WE + rfmon |
| 20:00.28 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hm, but whats the point if there's no orinoco based cards to begin with ;) |
| 20:00.40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i'll play around with it |
| 20:00.47 | TheMasterMind1 | i can manually patch this patch |
| 20:00.48 | kergoth | i suspect adding spectrum_cs manually shouldnt be much work |
| 20:00.51 | kergoth | do it one piece at a time |
| 20:00.52 | TheMasterMind1 | its just badly created patch |
| 20:01.05 | TheMasterMind1 | this new WE might include rfmon |
| 20:01.06 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't tell |
| 20:01.21 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:01.28 | kergoth | i know it adds scanning |
| 20:01.32 | kergoth | but i dunno if it adds monitor |
| 20:02.05 | TheMasterMind1 | anyway, if i fix all these patches and get it working, we can send em to jean/the airsnort guy/the spectrum guy |
| 20:03.49 | kergoth | yea |
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| 20:08.00 | VR-Bug | Heya! |
| 20:10.18 | kergoth | hey |
| 20:17.02 | kergoth | what the fuck |
| 20:17.03 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 20:17.11 | kergoth | i fucked the user keys for the buildroot repo |
| 20:17.57 | TheMasterMind1 | ARGH |
| 20:18.08 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how do i cut and paste between two open vims |
| 20:18.30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: email me your pub key |
| 20:18.30 | kergoth | umm |
| 20:18.30 | kergoth | console or x or what? |
| 20:18.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:18.30 | TheMasterMind1 | i have two xterms with vims |
| 20:18.51 | kergoth | usually its middle mouse button to paste |
| 20:18.57 | TheMasterMind1 | yea but vim autoindents the stuff |
| 20:18.57 | TheMasterMind1 | and fucks it up |
| 20:21.13 | kergoth | disable autoindent |
| 20:21.13 | tronical | TheMasterMind1: type :set paste before pasting |
| 20:21.14 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:21.14 | TheMasterMind1 | tronical every time? |
| 20:21.14 | kergoth | didnt know about that. spiffy |
| 20:21.17 | TheMasterMind1 | and using X doesn't paste tabs either |
| 20:21.24 | Xentac[laptop] | TheMasterMind1: use split |
| 20:21.29 | Xentac[laptop] | :split <second file> |
| 20:21.31 | tronical | TheMasterMind1: should be needed only once. you can see it when you go into insert mode and vim says 'INSERT (paste)' |
| 20:21.45 | Xentac[laptop] | use Ctrl-W to move between splits (Ctrl-W-up for the top one...) |
| 20:22.15 | Xentac[laptop] | then copy and paste as if you were in one file (try v, select the text, y, move to the other file, p) |
| 20:22.29 | TheMasterMind1 | Xentac[laptop] hmm, ok |
| 20:22.47 | Xentac[laptop] | then it's vim copying the text, not X or anything like that |
| 20:23.45 | Xentac[laptop] | just don't hit Ctrl-W when in insert mode... IIRC it just goes back to command mode and confuses the hell out of you... |
| 20:25.21 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i yank a line |
| 20:25.53 | tronical | using yy :) |
| 20:26.13 | TheMasterMind1 | thats what i thought..h |
| 20:26.14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:26.27 | kergoth | grr |
| 20:26.36 | kergoth | my rom runs all the rcS scripts, but never runs the rest |
| 20:26.37 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:26.55 | Xentac[laptop] | yy is yanking a line... |
| 20:27.05 | Xentac[laptop] | vim is fun :) |
| 20:27.46 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:27.55 | kergoth | i think i'm missing a device |
| 20:27.57 | kergoth | but i dont know what device |
| 20:28.08 | kergoth | just switched to devfs, so a few things are still confused |
| 20:28.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:28.29 | kergoth | what would prevent init from running the rc scripts, but not prevent it from running the rcS scripts |
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| 20:30.18 | Xentac[laptop] | kergoth: ummm... not enough flux capacitation? |
| 20:30.29 | Xentac[laptop] | /dev/flux_capacitor |
| 20:30.49 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:31.12 | Dessimat0r | Get the Delorian, lets get outta here! |
| 20:35.36 | TheMasterMind1 | gah! |
| 20:35.40 | TheMasterMind1 | this is so confusing |
| 20:35.51 | kergoth | yea, theres a lot to it |
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| 20:36.57 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf. |
| 20:36.59 | TheMasterMind1 | gah! |
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| 20:37.03 | VR-Bug | Hi! |
| 20:37.10 | kergoth | hey |
| 20:37.52 | VR-Bug | I have a question regarding the zImages of 3.1rc1: Whats the difference between the "debug" and the normal version? |
| 20:38.09 | TheMasterMind1 | it says right there on the download page |
| 20:38.10 | TheMasterMind1 | read it! |
| 20:38.14 | Dessimat0r | I would guess that the debug version writes logs to jffs |
| 20:38.48 | kergoth | wrong |
| 20:38.53 | kergoth | that would be fucking stupid |
| 20:38.57 | kergoth | writing logs to flash? |
| 20:39.15 | Dessimat0r | lol, which might be why the debug version isn't used much ;) |
| 20:39.27 | VR-Bug | ;-) |
| 20:39.27 | kergoth | i use it all the time |
| 20:39.47 | kergoth | you people need to go _read_ |
| 20:39.49 | kergoth | it helps. |
| 20:40.23 | Dessimat0r | The debug kernels will output kernel messages directly to the screen (i.e. on top of opie) and are only necessary for debugging purposes. |
| 20:40.25 | Dessimat0r | ah |
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| 20:40.41 | VR-Bug | Hmmm... I have strange problems when leaving the setup dialog of the handwriting. |
| 20:40.53 | VR-Bug | kergoth: you're right! Sorry. |
| 20:41.40 | VR-Bug | opie hangs after leaving - but only after I have some other apps from the testing feed installed.... |
| 20:42.02 | kergoth | after leaving handwriting config? |
| 20:42.13 | kergoth | i never use handwriting, dunno what to tell you. report it in the opie bug tracking system |
| 20:42.14 | VR-Bug | ... I thought the debug zImage can help me a little bit . |
| 20:42.16 | kergoth | opie.info/bugs/ |
| 20:43.14 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, since the kernel controls how handwriting works.. |
| 20:43.24 | VR-Bug | First I want to find out which app is bad ;-) |
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| 20:44.34 | TheMasterMind1 | this has got to be the most fucked up patch i have seen in my life |
| 20:44.41 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:44.58 | kergoth | i'm missing something, i cant get to runlevel 2 when using devfs |
| 20:44.59 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:45.34 | Dessimat0r | TheMasterMind1: lol |
| 20:46.47 | Bovine | omg, I've managed to compile zethereal |
| 20:47.04 | Bovine | and it sort of works... |
| 20:47.28 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 20:47.32 | TheMasterMind1 | add it to the buildroot |
| 20:48.09 | Bovine | I think it looks "odd" becuase I linked it against the qtopia-1.5 build environment... |
| 20:48.11 | numatrix | Hmm, I'm pretty sure that was a known opie bug. VR-Bug's comment at least. |
| 20:48.28 | Bovine | so would probably look ok on a vanilla Sharp ROM |
| 20:48.45 | gideon | in rc1 I can't click on information in network setup on wlan0, it just says "No information about a disconnected interface" |
| 20:48.56 | gideon | why? |
| 20:48.58 | kergoth | gideon: plug your card in. |
| 20:49.01 | Bovine | heh |
| 20:49.03 | gideon | well duh |
| 20:49.06 | gideon | it is in |
| 20:49.13 | TheMasterMind1 | its down for some reason |
| 20:49.15 | TheMasterMind1 | cofigure it |
| 20:49.17 | TheMasterMind1 | bring it up |
| 20:49.28 | gideon | ifup wlan0? |
| 20:49.32 | TheMasterMind1 | ja |
| 20:50.17 | gideon | I put that in the console and nothing happens, i don't even get # back |
| 20:50.31 | kergoth | gideon: let it hang. its trying to obtain an ip, i'd say |
| 20:50.57 | gideon | that's strange, I set it to be static |
| 20:51.15 | kergoth | no idea then. |
| 20:51.18 | kergoth | cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:51.21 | gideon | hmm |
| 20:52.25 | gideon | iface wlan0 inet static address 192.168.1.116 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:52.32 | Xentac[laptop] | maybe it's doing a hostname lookup...? |
| 20:52.38 | gideon | probably |
| 20:52.46 | gideon | how do I fix that? |
| 20:52.49 | kergoth | it shouldnt be. |
| 20:53.00 | gideon | then what? |
| 20:53.02 | kergoth | gideon: wireless or ethernet? |
| 20:53.05 | kergoth | how the fuck should i know? |
| 20:53.06 | gideon | wifi |
| 20:53.06 | kergoth | "then what?" |
| 20:53.12 | kergoth | like i'm a fucking psychic |
| 20:53.13 | gideon | is it? |
| 20:53.24 | gideon | sorry |
| 20:53.28 | kergoth | gideon: make sure the contents of /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts are correct |
| 20:54.02 | ljp_work | ibot: kergoth is a fucking psychic |
| 20:54.04 | | cannot alter locked factoids, ljp_work |
| 20:54.04 | | wish i knew, ljp_work |
| 20:54.10 | ljp_work | bitch |
| 20:54.16 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:54.36 | gideon | it all looks right. |
| 20:54.46 | kergoth | gideon: and does iwconfig wlan0 output match? |
| 20:55.08 | gideon | yeah |
| 20:55.30 | kergoth | and ifconfig wlan0 shows what? |
| 20:55.34 | kergoth | anything in dmesg? |
| 20:56.04 | gideon | ifconfig shows everything is running, except no ip. |
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| 20:56.47 | VR-Bug | re |
| 20:57.03 | gideon | don't see anything in dmesg, only that wlan0 is going in and out of range, but I knew that. |
| 20:57.37 | *** join/#openzaurus pnis (~pnis@caracas-0012.adsl.interware.hu) |
| 20:57.41 | pnis | hi |
| 20:57.48 | pnis | thanks kergoth for applying that patch |
| 20:58.24 | pnis | could you actually try if it works? or at least loads as a module? |
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| 20:59.21 | TheMasterMind1 | pnis doesnt' load |
| 20:59.25 | TheMasterMind1 | pnis unresolved symbols |
| 20:59.28 | tronical | kergoth: could it be that while restoring the public keys file you forgot the one I sent you? :) |
| 20:59.34 | gideon | rar |
| 20:59.34 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: :| |
| 20:59.42 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: what are the unresolved symbols? |
| 20:59.51 | pnis | TheMasterMind1 tcblabla_playing ? |
| 20:59.58 | TheMasterMind1 | something recording |
| 21:00.00 | kergoth | tronical: i did, but i was sure i'd put it back in.. it falling back to pass auth? |
| 21:00.07 | tronical | kergoth: yup |
| 21:00.07 | pnis | TheMasterMind1 ah, I left out that part from the patch |
| 21:00.23 | pnis | TheMasterMind1 thanks for checking |
| 21:00.25 | kergoth | pnis: the autopowercancel bits arent in yet either |
| 21:00.28 | kergoth | pnis: thats the collie_battery stuff |
| 21:00.33 | pnis | kergoth: okay |
| 21:00.43 | kergoth | pnis: so comment out those pieces until its in :) |
| 21:00.45 | kergoth | brb |
| 21:00.48 | pnis | kergoth: all right |
| 21:00.52 | pnis | kergoth: alright |
| 21:01.58 | gideon | kergoth: something interesting: My adsl router (also dhcp server) gives unlimited dhcp time to linux computers, but not windows. What does that mean? |
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| 21:02.16 | brontos | When you put the CF wireless card in the z should it come on everytime? ie the lights on the card? |
| 21:02.28 | gideon | yeah |
| 21:02.28 | brontos | I cannot connect to my network for anything |
| 21:02.37 | brontos | maybe a defected card? |
| 21:02.44 | gideon | oubt it |
| 21:02.58 | brontos | what do you think my problem is then? |
| 21:03.05 | gideon | ? |
| 21:03.21 | gideon | can't get mine to work |
| 21:03.31 | gideon | wifi on the Z sucks |
| 21:04.15 | brontos | yeah I am beginning to wish I didn't put 350 down on one... |
| 21:04.38 | gideon | heh |
| 21:04.56 | brontos | were you ever able to get it to work? |
| 21:05.00 | gideon | maybe with the next kernel it will work |
| 21:05.09 | gideon | nope |
| 21:05.11 | brontos | and what kind of card do you use? |
| 21:05.20 | gideon | got my normal 10/100 to work with it though |
| 21:05.29 | brontos | cf card? |
| 21:05.40 | mickeyl|tv | actually wifi on the Z works really good if you have luck in chosing a working card |
| 21:05.59 | gideon | yeah |
| 21:06.01 | brontos | mickeyl|tv: so it is the card then? |
| 21:06.08 | gideon | I heard the wcf11 is good |
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| 21:06.20 | brontos | mickeyl|tv: cause I will go return this one if I need to |
| 21:06.20 | gideon | i have the wcf12, looks nice but sucks |
| 21:06.30 | brontos | I have wcf12 too |
| 21:06.52 | mickeyl|tv | brontos: i'd say yes... please read the archives @ zauruszone.com to get insight in what cards are problematic and what cards work out of the box. |
| 21:07.14 | brontos | mickeyl|tv: I did I reach the wcf was pretty good |
| 21:07.53 | brontos | er read |
| 21:07.54 | mickeyl|tv | brontos: I recommend symbol spectrum or buffalo - both hermes / orinoco_cs based. |
| 21:08.15 | brontos | ok does best buy sell those? |
| 21:08.27 | brontos | off hand do you know? |
| 21:08.35 | mickeyl|tv | no idea, sorry... germany here :) |
| 21:08.51 | brontos | lol oh ok |
| 21:08.52 | ljp_work | what?! no best buy in germany? :) |
| 21:09.07 | mickeyl|tv | :)) |
| 21:09.09 | pnis | brb |
| 21:12.40 | Bovine | hmm, Loading of image 'MaximizeButton' is not ideal (either it doesn't exist or an extension was specified) |
| 21:13.53 | Dessimat0r | Apparently, its an error that always occurs when loading Opie apps, but does no harm ;) |
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| 21:14.28 | Bovine | zethereal really doesn't like to display, runs, captures etc. but the display is screwed :/ |
| 21:14.33 | pnis | I sent a patch to openzaurus-devel, with the hope it will allov collie_sp to load |
| 21:14.36 | Dessimat0r | Bovine: as in it dosen't exist, so no image is specified |
| 21:19.05 | Bovine | how weird is that, I start zethereal from the command line and it doesn't display, send it a TERM sig and it comes up... |
| 21:23.36 | kergoth | tronical: hmm, it shows you in the user list.. |
| 21:24.14 | pnis | kergoth: I've sent a new patch to openzaurus-devel |
| 21:24.54 | pnis | kergoth: btw would you mind giving write acces to the linux-cl, or it would be better if I send the patches? |
| 21:26.53 | tronical | kergoth: in the user list for oz@oz.bkb ? |
| 21:27.03 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:27.27 | kergoth | pnis: you _do_ realize collie_buzzer.c isnt linked in right now, right? |
| 21:27.30 | tronical | kergoth: can you paste the pubkey from the list in a query? |
| 21:27.30 | kergoth | pnis: :) |
| 21:27.34 | kergoth | tronical: yeah |
| 21:28.39 | Dilb | tronical: hallo, und guten Rutsch |
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| 21:28.58 | tronical | Dilb: ah, hi! danke :) |
| 21:29.10 | pnis | kergoth: hehe:) |
| 21:29.22 | kergoth | tronical: try now |
| 21:29.27 | pnis | kergoth: well than, this needs a bit more work :) |
| 21:29.31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:29.38 | tronical | Dilb: still haven't found time to try the latest xine-cvs since I got your reply :} |
| 21:29.42 | kergoth | pnis: i dont see why we need collie_buzzer.c for the ssp driver.. |
| 21:29.48 | kergoth | pnis: they're completely independent. |
| 21:29.56 | kergoth | pnis: bad design on lineo's part.. big surprise |
| 21:29.59 | tronical | kergoth: works! thx! |
| 21:30.02 | pnis | kergoth: because collie_ssp.c does a few strange things |
| 21:30.02 | kergoth | tronical: np |
| 21:30.11 | kergoth | pnis: take a look at the generic sa1100 ssp driver |
| 21:30.17 | pnis | kergoth: ok |
| 21:30.21 | ljp_work | a few? |
| 21:30.21 | kergoth | pnis: we could just pull over the DAC specific bits from collie_ssp into that... |
| 21:30.27 | Dilb | tronical: as I said, as long as the API is not stabilized, it's not worth to spend to much time on it |
| 21:30.27 | kergoth | pnis: :) |
| 21:30.37 | Dilb | +o |
| 21:30.55 | pnis | kergoth: alright - I will look at that too |
| 21:31.02 | tronical | Dilb: then I'll probably go finding a date that works and specify that in the cvs checkout |
| 21:31.26 | tronical | Dilb: still better than having a binary arm ipk in the sourcetree :) |
| 21:31.44 | kergoth | pnis: dunno how bad collie_ssp is, but if its bad enough it may be worth throwing its existing structure out hte window and using the sa1100ssp as a base |
| 21:31.47 | kergoth | pnis: /me shrugs |
| 21:32.00 | pnis | kergoth: I will check, good idea |
| 21:32.06 | Dilb | tronical: OT, how is the weather in Bavaria ? :) |
| 21:32.22 | tronical | Dilb: it got... it got better. not as cold as it used to be anymore :) |
| 21:32.28 | pnis | kergoth: about the mic/speaker driver - you said that collie_buzzer should disapper |
| 21:32.34 | Dilb | tronical: how cold ? |
| 21:33.04 | pnis | kergoth: so what should exactly go to the the tc35143 driver ? |
| 21:33.18 | pnis | kergoth: and the compatibilit thing you mentioned ? |
| 21:33.58 | pnis | kergoth: mic/speaker driver would be one module, like collie_ssp, but with playback and recording support, right? |
| 21:34.04 | kergoth | pnis: the tc35143af driver, i think should be a proper OSS driver |
| 21:34.08 | kergoth | pnis: right |
| 21:34.17 | pnis | kergoth: ok, I will do that first |
| 21:34.17 | beattie | kergoth: is there a todo list for 2.4.19? I'd like to try my hand at something small to get a feel for the environment |
| 21:34.24 | kergoth | pnis: and we make a sharp compatibility module, that just provides /dev/sharp_* so we dont break existing apps |
| 21:34.31 | kergoth | beattie: TODO is in the tree |
| 21:34.34 | tronical | Dilb: don't have any numbers, I don't have a thermometer. but one can go for a walk without a cap and gloves :) |
| 21:34.35 | kergoth | beattie: linux-cl.bkbits.net |
| 21:34.48 | pnis | kergoth: alright. one collie_buzzer module ? |
| 21:34.55 | Dilb | tronical: that's what I wanted to know :) |
| 21:35.27 | tronical | Dilb: how come you ask. plan staying in bavaria over new years eve? :) |
| 21:35.34 | kergoth | pnis: yeah. the sharp compatibility module will just be a number of character device interfaces and associated glue to make them use the new interfaces |
| 21:35.46 | pnis | kergoth: alright |
| 21:35.51 | kergoth | pnis: that we can do later |
| 21:35.53 | Dilb | tronical: I live there |
| 21:36.02 | pnis | kergoth: ok. everything is clear now :) |
| 21:36.03 | tronical | Dilb: oh! |
| 21:36.04 | kergoth | pnis: lets get things done the Right Way, then come back and fix compatibility |
| 21:36.06 | Rince | genau |
| 21:36.08 | kergoth | pnis: good :) |
| 21:36.35 | kergoth | pnis: hmm |
| 21:36.37 | kergoth | pnis: hey |
| 21:36.40 | tronical | Dilb: from your name I thought you were french or something ;) where in bavaria do you live? |
| 21:36.41 | kergoth | pnis: theres a ucb1x00 audio driver |
| 21:36.41 | pnis | kergoth: yes? |
| 21:36.50 | kergoth | pnis: we're using ucb1x00 driver to talk to the tc35143af.. |
| 21:36.56 | Dilb | tronical: I'm french, but I work in Germany |
| 21:36.57 | kergoth | pnis: we might be able to just alter it! |
| 21:37.02 | kergoth | pnis: drivers/misc/ucb1x00-audio.c |
| 21:37.03 | tronical | Dilb: ahh, I see |
| 21:37.07 | Dilb | tronical: Erding, like the beer :o) |
| 21:37.17 | pnis | kergoth: btw ucb1x00 is not needed in collie_ssp |
| 21:37.22 | kergoth | pnis: yup, i know |
| 21:37.24 | kergoth | pnis: :) |
| 21:37.33 | pnis | kergoth: ah ok:) what is ucb btw ?:] |
| 21:37.41 | tronical | Dilb: a french liking (bavarian) beer! exceptional ;) |
| 21:38.00 | kergoth | pnis: afaicr its a chip from phillips, similar in functionality to the tc35143af |
| 21:38.04 | kergoth | pnis: google it :) |
| 21:38.13 | tronical | Dilb: that's like a bavarian liking wine :) |
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| 21:38.26 | pnis | kergoth: ah! so tr0 had that chip? that would make sense to me |
| 21:38.31 | Dilb | tronical: wine without sparkling water ? :) |
| 21:38.57 | kergoth | pnis: could be.. dunno. never read the collie_ssp driver :) |
| 21:39.55 | tronical | Dilb: dunno. maybe there are people celebrating things like new years even with beer instead of sparking wine (not to say champagner :) |
| 21:40.01 | tronical | even -= n |
| 21:40.43 | Dilb | tronical: I was thinking about Weinschorle not Sekt :) |
| 21:41.11 | pnis | kergoth: anyway, I will clean up collie_ssp, and if it still not good, we can explore the pssibilities :) |
| 21:41.27 | pnis | kergoth: ah we were talking about 35143af :) |
| 21:41.32 | pnis | kergoth: never mind :) |
| 21:41.35 | kergoth | pnis: hehe |
| 21:41.40 | kergoth | pnis: too many sound drivers, getting confused :P |
| 21:41.44 | pnis | kergoth: :) |
| 21:41.59 | pnis | kergoth: ok, for 35143 I will check those drivers |
| 21:42.05 | kergoth | pnis: okay |
| 21:42.09 | kergoth | pnis: focus on one of htem at a time :) |
| 21:42.14 | kergoth | s/htem/them/ |
| 21:42.19 | tronical | Dilb: oh, I see |
| 21:42.25 | pnis | kergoth: :) yes, that will be collie_ssp clean up |
| 21:42.35 | kergoth | definately need to rewrite this battery shit.. russell's ucb1x00 rewrite changed things a bit |
| 21:42.39 | kergoth | pnis: great, keep me posted |
| 21:42.42 | kergoth | tronical: hah |
| 21:42.44 | pnis | kergoth: I will |
| 21:43.22 | kergoth | hmm, i wonder how the ipaq handles its battery status checking |
| 21:44.58 | kergoth`bbl | leavin work early, bbl |
| 21:45.03 | pnis | bye kergoth`bbl |
| 21:45.14 | kergoth`bbl | tronical: probably dont have bc installed |
| 21:45.19 | kergoth`bbl | tronical: it uses that to calculate the mtd offsets |
| 21:45.26 | tronical | oh, could be. thanks for the hint! |
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| 21:50.59 | pnis | time to go to sleep |
| 21:51.02 | pnis | good night all |
| 21:51.39 | hobbs | is it possible to upgrade by flashing just the kernel, changing ipkg.conf, and ipkg upgrading? |
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| 21:58.16 | lsmith | hobbs: from all i heard yes |
| 21:58.36 | hobbs | I guess I'll give that a shot, then. |
| 21:58.59 | hobbs | I haven't put any serious data on here yet anyway, so not too much potential for loss. :) |
| 22:00.00 | tronical | is it sufficient to just put the zImage onto cf and omit the initrd ? |
| 22:00.16 | hobbs | I think that it will do that, yes. |
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| 22:08.13 | beattie | !ibot 2.4.19 |
| 22:08.48 | beattie | oz 2.4.19 |
| 22:11.11 | beattie | make oldconfig gets into a loop, very impressive |
| 22:12.19 | hobbs | heh. nice. |
| 22:12.25 | hobbs | never seen that before. |
| 22:12.34 | Dessimat0r | loop-de-loop |
| 22:13.04 | beattie | yeah, it's real cute...now how to get around it....hmmm |
| 22:14.14 | beattie | well if I don't config USBD make oldconfig works |
| 22:14.19 | ljp_work | break; usually works |
| 22:14.37 | beattie | break? |
| 22:14.57 | beattie | this is not C code |
| 22:15.08 | beattie | it is a config file botch |
| 22:17.07 | ljp_work | I know, I was joking |
| 22:17.13 | gideon | hey |
| 22:17.20 | gideon | could someone test an ftp for me? |
| 22:17.31 | gideon | pcs-nyc.cjb.com |
| 22:17.34 | gideon | user: http |
| 22:17.37 | gideon | pass: go |
| 22:18.32 | beattie | it's pretty slow |
| 22:18.42 | gideon | does it work though? |
| 22:19.20 | kergoth`bbl | beattie: ah yeah, forgot about that |
| 22:19.26 | kergoth`bbl | beattie: its a bug in the config system |
| 22:19.28 | beattie | maybe all 60 users are trying it...I'm logged in , but ls has not returned any results |
| 22:19.35 | gideon | yeah |
| 22:19.44 | kergoth`bbl | beattie: edit drivers/usb/device/Config.in .. change the int STALL values to string instead of int. that'll solve it. |
| 22:19.47 | beattie | kergoth`bbl: got a work around, besiudes not configing usbd |
| 22:19.52 | gideon | there should be a symlinked /var/www/ there |
| 22:19.56 | kergoth`bbl | beattie: otherwise copy the config into place, use menuconfig, save. instead of using oldconfig. |
| 22:19.57 | gideon | hmm. |
| 22:20.09 | gideon | i chmodded it to 777, you should be able to see it |
| 22:20.33 | beattie | gideon: let me try again |
| 22:21.26 | beattie | gideon: that worked, probably a firewall problem on my end |
| 22:21.41 | beattie | kergoth`bbl: ok |
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| 22:28.24 | beattie | sorry to hear that |
| 22:28.27 | tronical | hehe |
| 22:28.30 | walters | heh |
| 22:30.06 | beattie | kergoth`bbl: do yo have a newer initrd, than the one I grabbed last friday? |
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| 22:32.36 | *** kick/#openzaurus [j0sh!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth`bbl (bye bye) |
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| 22:58.55 | walters | where's a good place to find information about transferring files to and from a zaurus? |
| 22:59.09 | ps | yeah i'd like to know that to :) |
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| 22:59.47 | ps | wb kergoth :) |
| 23:00.00 | walters | the openzaurus website just casually mentions ftp and scp, but i don't know how to talk to my zaurus with ftp or scp... |
| 23:00.03 | kergoth | thanks |
| 23:00.15 | kergoth | walters: http://www.download.com/ .. get a ftp or scp client |
| 23:00.30 | ps | hehe |
| 23:00.33 | walters | kergoth: er... |
| 23:00.39 | walters | ok, let me ask a better question. |
| 23:00.41 | hobbs | If we're talking win32, I think that putty has both graphical and commandline scp doodads. :) |
| 23:00.43 | ps | any reason why the OZ won't sync anymore ? |
| 23:00.53 | kergoth | ps: user error. it does sync. |
| 23:01.05 | kergoth | walters: okay.. you run linux but you dont know how to use ftp or scp? |
| 23:01.05 | hobbs | walters: alright, then. |
| 23:01.05 | ps | mmm ok |
| 23:01.11 | walters | kergoth: no |
| 23:01.12 | kergoth | ps: read the faq |
| 23:01.18 | walters | kergoth: i don't know how to set up networking on my zaurus. |
| 23:01.19 | ps | i did |
| 23:01.26 | ps | ill read them again :) |
| 23:01.29 | kergoth | walters: http://zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 23:01.30 | kergoth | walters: read up |
| 23:01.36 | kergoth | ps: chances are you forgot to run security and hit ok |
| 23:01.39 | hobbs | walters: alright. that's occasionally painful, but not hard. :) |
| 23:01.39 | walters | kergoth: sweet, that's what I was looking for. |
| 23:01.40 | kergoth | ps: or something along those lines |
| 23:01.47 | kergoth | ps: or you're on a old qtopia desktop or intellisync version |
| 23:01.57 | ps | acctually i did that stuff, everything in the faq |
| 23:02.06 | ps | 16 |
| 23:02.10 | ps | newest |
| 23:02.19 | Twiun | hiya kergie |
| 23:02.22 | kergoth | and can you ftp to your Z, port 4242? |
| 23:02.25 | kergoth | password rootme? |
| 23:02.42 | ps | nope, no ping response |
| 23:03.02 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:03.04 | walters | hmm...do i really have to patch my linux to talk to the zaurus over USB? |
| 23:03.07 | kergoth | well -obviously- you cant sync |
| 23:03.09 | kergoth | if you cant ping |
| 23:03.09 | hobbs | ah, then you have other problems. |
| 23:03.09 | kergoth | come on |
| 23:03.12 | walters | at least in dmesg now I see: |
| 23:03.13 | kergoth | you need basic connectivity |
| 23:03.17 | ps | i know |
| 23:03.17 | walters | DCEther.c: eth2: Sharp SL Series |
| 23:03.17 | kergoth | walters: yes. |
| 23:03.24 | kergoth | walters: CDCEther will not work. |
| 23:03.29 | walters | kergoth: ok. |
| 23:03.29 | kergoth | walters: assuming you're on a recent rom |
| 23:03.34 | ps | but that doesn't work |
| 23:03.41 | kergoth | ps: 'that doesn't work'? |
| 23:03.42 | hobbs | walters: either patch, or run recent 2.5 :) |
| 23:03.49 | kergoth | ps: ifconfig usbd0 on your Z |
| 23:03.57 | kergoth | ps: i need information to fix something, i'm not a psychic. |
| 23:03.58 | hobbs | actually -- did they put the same patch in 2.4.20 ? I thought I read that they did. |
| 23:04.01 | ps | oh i have to do that |
| 23:04.03 | ps | ok |
| 23:04.05 | kergoth | hobbs: 2.4.21-pre/rc |
| 23:04.11 | kergoth | hobbs: didnt make 2.4.20 |
| 23:04.35 | hobbs | kergoth: alright. close. Anyway, that's cool. |
| 23:04.51 | kergoth | yea |
| 23:05.07 | ps | 192.168.129.201 normal settings, looks ok |
| 23:05.28 | kergoth | ps: and your desktop side? |
| 23:05.54 | hobbs | kergoth: btw, is there a known problem setting the default gateway in 3.0, and does it happen to be fixed in 3.1 ? |
| 23:06.04 | kergoth | hobbs: not afaik. |
| 23:06.16 | ps | well the USB drivers that came with the Zaurus |
| 23:06.25 | kergoth | ps: and whats the *ip*? |
| 23:06.29 | hobbs | kergoth: strange. I can't get my setting to stick. I'll look more closely. |
| 23:06.34 | kergoth | ps: you _did_ hardcode the ip on the Z network interface, right? |
| 23:06.47 | kergoth | hobbs: theres a big difference between a problem setting the gateway, and a problem setting the gateway _in the gui_ |
| 23:06.54 | kergoth | hobbs: the latter could definately have been the case |
| 23:06.57 | ps | i did ? |
| 23:06.59 | kergoth | hobbs: there were quite a few bugs in networksetup |
| 23:07.11 | kergoth | ps: i certainly hope so, since the faq told you to. |
| 23:07.16 | hobbs | kergoth: I set it in the gui, and it didn't stick, so I edited the .conf file, and set GATEWAY=, and the script is still not using it. |
| 23:07.18 | kergoth | ps: and you claimed to have read it and followed it. |
| 23:07.22 | kergoth | hobbs: nonononono |
| 23:07.23 | ps | well if the FAQ said s i did it :) |
| 23:07.28 | kergoth | hobbs: /etc/network/interfaces controls it |
| 23:07.31 | kergoth | hobbs: no .conf file |
| 23:07.44 | hobbs | kergoth: ooooh. that's a change. I'm looking at old stuff. :) |
| 23:07.49 | hobbs | kergoth: nice, all debian-flavored. :) |
| 23:07.53 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:08.00 | kergoth | we'll be switching to interfaces for wireless too, ala debian 3.0+ |
| 23:08.01 | kergoth | shortly |
| 23:10.08 | ps | well i did everything the FAQ said and Syncing with the Sharp ROM works perfectly so i have no idea whats the problem |
| 23:10.17 | hobbs | I'm liking OZ. It's more. um. Open? :) |
| 23:10.30 | kergoth | ps: the fact that it works with sharp means nothing. |
| 23:10.31 | kergoth | ps: you have to setup the desktop side interface differently. |
| 23:10.34 | kergoth | ps: as i just said. |
| 23:10.45 | kergoth | ps: sharp includes a dhcp server, which means you can let it obtain an ip automatically |
| 23:10.57 | kergoth | ps: OZ does not, you must hardcode the ip, 192.168.129.1 |
| 23:11.08 | ps | hmmm yes |
| 23:11.16 | ps | well ok |
| 23:11.21 | ps | but i think i already di that |
| 23:11.27 | kergoth | well doublecheck. |
| 23:11.32 | kergoth | because I have users who have confirmed that it works. |
| 23:11.37 | ps | yepp |
| 23:13.10 | beattie | with a just built 2.4.19 and the initrd from the 18th , I can't mount either my CF or MMC cards, is this a know problem? |
| 23:13.34 | kergoth | beattie: pcmcia is confirmed to function |
| 23:13.38 | kergoth | beattie: OBVIOUSLY you cant mount mmc |
| 23:13.46 | kergoth | beattie: the sd/mmc driver is binary only, and only works in 2.4.6 |
| 23:13.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:13.59 | beattie | heh |
| 23:14.24 | Twiun | hey beattie! |
| 23:14.27 | Twiun | how goes it? |
| 23:14.32 | kergoth | we'll be getting a new binary module soon |
| 23:14.35 | kergoth | but pcmcia should be working |
| 23:14.35 | ps | hm... well i get the point and i know what you mean but i have absolutly no idea where to chang my ip :( |
| 23:14.48 | kergoth | -but- that initrd.bin from before didnt have pcmcia-cs :) |
| 23:14.57 | beattie | Twiun: ok, just back from visiting the family for Xmas |
| 23:15.12 | Twiun | beattie: nice break from it all? |
| 23:15.32 | beattie | kergoth: is there a newer one handy or should I just not worry about that right now |
| 23:15.34 | ps | just tell me in the windows thingy or in the qtopia desktop or where ? |
| 23:15.40 | kergoth | beattie: i'll throw a new one up in a bit |
| 23:15.43 | kergoth | ps: windows. |
| 23:15.45 | hobbs | ps: in the thingumajiggy under the whatchamacontrolpanel. |
| 23:15.52 | beattie | kergoth: no hurry |
| 23:15.53 | hobbs | ps: yeah. windows. |
| 23:16.06 | kergoth | ps: control panel->network->right click on the Z interface -> properties |
| 23:16.06 | ps | heh thx :) |
| 23:16.18 | kergoth | ps: obviously you havent done this yet, or you would know how. thats definately your prob |
| 23:16.23 | beattie | Twiun: well being unemployed, there isn't much to take a break from :) |
| 23:16.28 | ps | yes |
| 23:16.57 | ps | well no Z interface in my network thingy |
| 23:17.05 | kergoth | ps: it only exists when the Z is plugged in. |
| 23:17.14 | ps | it is |
| 23:17.34 | kergoth | control panel -> system -> device manager .. are there any devices with a ? |
| 23:18.25 | ps | yepp :) but no networking options anywhere there |
| 23:18.40 | kergoth | what devices have ?'s |
| 23:18.41 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:18.57 | ps | SL Series (WDM) |
| 23:19.02 | kergoth | bingo. |
| 23:19.10 | kergoth | right click on that, properties. uninstall it. |
| 23:19.24 | ps | ok |
| 23:19.27 | kergoth | your problem is, you removed the Z from the cradle without using the icon in the system tray to eject it first. |
| 23:19.42 | kergoth | you must eject it properly, or it'll get into weird states, like that one |
| 23:19.46 | hobbs | What's WDM stand for, anyway? I've seen a few devices with that on them (and the last one I saw was broke -- a sound card) |
| 23:19.47 | kergoth | this is true for sharp and oz both |
| 23:19.53 | kergoth | hobbs: not sure |
| 23:19.53 | ps | oh ok |
| 23:21.20 | kergoth | ps: after uninstalling it, pull out the Z, make sure its not off, then plug it back in |
| 23:21.35 | kergoth | ps: then you should have a network interface in networks in control panel, and you can then hardcode the ip |
| 23:22.14 | ps | ok well since this is windows i gotta reboot now i guess i can handle the rest Big Thank you for taking the time :) |
| 23:22.25 | Dessimat0r | reboot? |
| 23:22.30 | ps | yepp |
| 23:22.32 | Twiun | beattie: funny that.... same here ;-) |
| 23:22.44 | tronical | kergoth: while building the tremor package on a system with no libtool (except the one in staging) I noticed that autogen.sh fails because it looks for libtool in $PATH. do you think it's cleaner to make a patch to get remove stupid check from autogen.sh or adjust PATH from within the Makefile before calling autogen.sh? |
| 23:22.48 | Twiun | beattie: we get to concentrate all our time on these hobbies |
| 23:23.28 | kergoth | tronical: i'd say $(STAGING_DIR)/bin should be added to path in the Makefile |
| 23:23.41 | tronical | kergoth: okay. doing that then. |
| 23:23.41 | beattie | Twiun: that's one way to look at it :) |
| 23:24.00 | Dilb | tronical: are you sure the problem is with a Makefile ? |
| 23:24.04 | Twiun | although... I'd prefer a job right now :) |
| 23:24.16 | kergoth | tronical: in fact, we should probably add that to the path in the root Vars.make, given we do only put x86 bins there |
| 23:24.17 | beattie | Twiun: me too |
| 23:24.19 | kergoth | tronical: :) |
| 23:25.37 | tronical | kergoth: ah, much better indeed. should I push that change? (after checking that it works ;) |
| 23:26.08 | beattie | kergoth: the kernel touchscreen...is that mostly porting the 2.4.6 patches to 2.4.19? |
| 23:28.28 | Twiun | ibot: seen jserv |
| 23:28.36 | | jserv <~jserv@140.116.141.254> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 10d 20h 59m 9s ago, saying: 'TheMasterMind1: jit3 for arm-linux is just begining developed.'. |
| 23:28.36 | kergoth | beattie: actually, theres already a ucb1x00 touchscreen driver.. we may only need to see what differences there are between use of the ts for the tc35143af, and the ucb1x00, and port the differences |
| 23:28.36 | kergoth | tronical: go for it |
| 23:28.40 | tronical | kergoth: k |
| 23:30.35 | kergoth | okay lets see, i'm going to revamp the collie battery handling to be more like ipaqs |
| 23:31.40 | tronical | kergoth: grmbl, seems more complicated. it wants libtoolize, which in turn wants more files. looks like I need to install a couple of more things in packages/libtool/Makefile |
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| 23:32.20 | ps | ok just wanted to say everything works now thanx :) |
| 23:32.36 | hobbs | decent battery status is high on my "that would be nice list" :) |
| 23:33.09 | kergoth | hobbs: we have decent battery status. |
| 23:33.13 | kergoth | hobbs: use oz 3.1rc1. |
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| 23:46.15 | hobbs | yay. only a few minutes on the initrd. |
| 23:47.53 | hobbs | I got a big CF for christmas, so I've been waiting for a while to be able to play with OZ. |
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| 23:56.30 | hobbs | kergoth: I actually had an old laptop back before the days of APM. |
| 23:56.46 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:56.59 | hobbs | kergoth: and a software program that would manually do the battery-time-remaining math, if you _told_ it when the charge light went on and off. |
| 23:57.07 | kergoth | hobbs: haha |
| 23:57.12 | hobbs | (and when you plugged/unplugged it or the battery ran out) |
| 23:57.25 | Xentac[laptop] | 802.11b is so cool... |
| 23:57.49 | kergoth | Xentac[laptop]: indeed |
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| 23:57.50 | badalex | ft |
| 23:57.55 | hobbs | kergoth: it was an alright program, but way too much of a hassle to keep it informed. |
| 23:58.08 | kergoth | okay tonight we should have solid battery status in 2.4.19, and I may see if i can get learning in as well |
| 23:58.12 | badalex | opps |
| 23:58.12 | badalex | nm |
| 23:58.21 | kergoth | not sure if i'll have time to look into touchscreen, that may have to wait till tomorrow |
| 23:58.25 | Xentac[laptop] | kergoth: I just went over to a friend's place... and changed my wireless settings... and now I'm talking to you guys with it |
| 23:58.30 | Twiun | kergoth: I'm curious the battery learning stuff... doesn't keep that between reboots does it? |
| 23:58.31 | kergoth | beattie: looking into ts stuff? |
| 23:58.44 | kergoth | Twiun: good question.. it could probably store it somewhere.. hmm. i'll check. |
| 23:59.03 | hobbs | Twiun: even if it doesn't, it can just use a static default until the first time it sees a full charge. |
| 23:59.20 | beattie | kergoth: starting to |
| 23:59.47 | kergoth | beattie: cool |