| 00:02.26 | tux_mike|school | you can ask anything. the question really is, will it be answered |
| 00:03.08 | Twiun | lol, yeah, seems most people are afk atm :) |
| 00:03.11 | _ibz | ask the question, you might find the answer as you explain the question ;) |
| 00:03.28 | Twiun | hey, QPainter question, I've got a QPainter created with a widget argument, but when I paint to it, nothing shows... QButtons show their text ok, what am I missing? |
| 00:04.01 | Twiun | _ibz: work again tomorrow? |
| 00:04.08 | _ibz | s/disappears/goes missing/ |
| 00:04.15 | _ibz | yah! yippee!! |
| 00:04.39 | Twiun | lol, I've been hearing the moaning and groaning of the softees all day ;-) |
| 00:04.48 | Twiun | everyone seems so depressed |
| 00:04.56 | hunterkll | lol |
| 00:04.57 | _ibz | got a meeting early...10 damn a.m tomorrow...that's depressing! |
| 00:05.27 | Twiun | they've finally realised no-one turns up before 10? |
| 00:06.42 | _ibz | hehe. wait till they work out no ones comes to work dressed for...erm...work. |
| 00:07.20 | Twiun | pijamas? |
| 00:07.50 | hardwire | newd |
| 00:08.02 | kergoth | bleh |
| 00:08.05 | kergoth | I hate 'talks' with the boxx |
| 00:08.06 | kergoth | boss |
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| 00:08.47 | _ibz | yeah, especially when its risk meetings that go on so long that they become risks themselves... |
| 00:08.57 | chouimat | kergoth: worst score again? |
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| 00:10.40 | hardwire | hmm |
| 00:11.02 | hardwire | so .. my friend works for a company that hands out little notes in their paystubs detailing how much money they are costing the company |
| 00:11.10 | Twiun | hahaha |
| 00:11.13 | kergoth | haha |
| 00:11.39 | kergoth | if my boss did that, i'd tell him to go fuck himself |
| 00:12.13 | tux_mike|school | i'd change the notes in my boss's |
| 00:12.51 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:13.43 | tux_mike|school | either that, or kick someone in the jimmies |
| 00:13.58 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:14.36 | kergoth | tux_mike|school: both! |
| 00:14.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:14.48 | Twiun | _ibz: hey, know any software houses in putney that might be established since 1972? |
| 00:16.17 | tux_mike|school | i really need to find out the best HDTV for what i want |
| 00:16.29 | kergoth | I need to figure out how to afford all my damn bills |
| 00:16.42 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: sell some Zs ;) |
| 00:16.43 | tux_mike|school | easy. deliver them to someone else |
| 00:16.48 | _ibz | 1972? dude, that's a loooooooooooooooong time ago...not many i would have thought. |
| 00:17.17 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: heh, i only own one, and i need it |
| 00:17.25 | Dessimat0r | ah ;) |
| 00:17.53 | Twiun | _ibz: yeah, same here... got an agency call about a job today swearing it's not MMuse/RSoft and that the place was founded 1972... |
| 00:18.43 | _ibz | in putney! haha, close to "home" ;) |
| 00:19.16 | Twiun | _ibz: I've had worse ;-) two places, one in camberley and one guildford... |
| 00:19.27 | Twiun | _ibz: I'd rather have something in central london personally... |
| 00:19.47 | _ibz | 1972, what languages were around then? mainframes were the norm no? |
| 00:19.50 | kergoth | hm |
| 00:20.34 | Twiun | no idea, definately before my time |
| 00:20.50 | tux_mike|school | i think this will work nicely for my gaming computer's monitor http://electronics.cnet.com/electronics/0-6342372-1304-20315491.html |
| 00:21.36 | kergoth | tux_mike|school: pricy monitor |
| 00:21.37 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:21.50 | tux_mike|school | well, i do want an HDTV |
| 00:22.01 | Twiun | and doesn't say if it takes anything other than analog input |
| 00:22.35 | tux_mike|school | it takes 15pin d-sub VGA, YCbCr, YPbPr, SVideo, and Composite |
| 00:23.01 | Twiun | I s'pose it's ok then |
| 00:23.15 | tux_mike|school | all analog, truthfully, but as long as the VGA, component, and standard connections are there, i'm happy |
| 00:23.17 | Twiun | I'd still rather have that tasty 42" one though |
| 00:23.25 | tux_mike|school | i hate plasma |
| 00:23.44 | Twiun | even from 6 feet away? |
| 00:23.53 | tux_mike|school | yes |
| 00:24.26 | tux_mike|school | they have the typical LCD problems, if you buy one that does 1080i, movies can look pixelated at 480p |
| 00:25.00 | tux_mike|school | i don't know if this has improved with the newer ones |
| 00:26.22 | tux_mike|school | oh, and this philips one has 3 component ins, i only need two, but this way i can avoid doubling up, and use the VGA for my gaming computer |
| 00:26.36 | _ibz | quick question before i go to bed...does buildroot use imake? |
| 00:27.00 | scanline | no |
| 00:27.12 | Twiun | isn't imake standard only with ClearCase anyway? |
| 00:27.23 | _ibz | no no no. |
| 00:27.33 | scanline | xfree86 uses imake |
| 00:27.40 | tux_mike|school | imake puky |
| 00:28.10 | _ibz | imake can make life a helluva lot more manageable... |
| 00:28.17 | kergoth | hows that? |
| 00:28.29 | _ibz | hows what? imake? |
| 00:28.31 | Twiun | _ibz: not in the rsoft source tre it didn't |
| 00:28.37 | Twiun | s/tre/tree/ |
| 00:28.44 | kergoth | how would imake make life more manageable? |
| 00:28.53 | tux_mike|school | lol |
| 00:29.27 | _ibz | well, if oz is going to be ported to various platforms, configuration can be handled in "one place" |
| 00:29.45 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:29.58 | kergoth | configuration isnt handled in pure make now, we use the kernel config system by roman zippel |
| 00:30.12 | kergoth | i.e. make menuconfig .. etc |
| 00:30.19 | _ibz | it's not just the kernel though is it? |
| 00:30.22 | scanline | if you're going to switch to something not-make, at least pick something good like SCons :O |
| 00:30.22 | kergoth | eh? |
| 00:30.27 | kergoth | we use it to configure _everything_ |
| 00:30.30 | kergoth | what packages to build |
| 00:30.32 | kergoth | what host system you're on |
| 00:30.33 | kergoth | what distro |
| 00:30.39 | kergoth | what target arch, what host arch |
| 00:30.49 | kergoth | please _look_ at buildroot before making useless suggestions |
| 00:30.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:31.05 | _ibz | i wasn't making a suggestion. |
| 00:31.13 | kergoth | sorry, useless comments |
| 00:31.19 | _ibz | i was asking if buildroot used imake. |
| 00:31.29 | kergoth | 18:36 < _ibz> imake can make life a helluva lot more manageable... |
| 00:31.34 | kergoth | ^^-so can suicide |
| 00:31.35 | kergoth | :P |
| 00:31.41 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 00:31.54 | _ibz | yes it can, and it does for us at work, obviously doesn't apply to oz. |
| 00:32.07 | _ibz | hence the "can" |
| 00:32.19 | scanline | your place of business shouldn't encourage suicide like that |
| 00:32.27 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:32.35 | _ibz | maybe... |
| 00:32.54 | tux_mike|school | and, sweet, all gamecube games are 480p |
| 00:33.31 | Twiun | scanline: I don't think imake (or anything else) could possibly make things worse for them :) |
| 00:33.40 | scanline | :) |
| 00:33.43 | _ibz | Twiun: oi! |
| 00:33.44 | Twiun | scanline: may they rest in pieces^H^H^H^H^H^H peace... |
| 00:34.12 | Twiun | I'm obviously biased... don't listen to me :) |
| 00:34.12 | hunterkll | lol |
| 00:34.39 | kergoth | heh, everybody's biased :) |
| 00:35.08 | hunterkll | i for one, am biased against umm... |
| 00:35.15 | hunterkll | i'll be back after i think of somthing |
| 00:35.24 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:35.46 | hunterkll | i am biased against the giant jellyfish |
| 00:35.54 | hunterkll | i cant keep it in an aquarium so i hate it |
| 00:36.00 | hunterkll | i can keep lil jelly fish |
| 00:36.03 | _ibz | anyway, i've asked my question ;) g'nite. |
| 00:36.08 | hunterkll | but not this giant jellyfish |
| 00:36.08 | kergoth | hm, i need a drink |
| 00:36.10 | kergoth | night ibz |
| 00:36.20 | hunterkll | kergoth: how about necter of jellyfish? |
| 00:36.26 | hunterkll | highly poisonus |
| 00:36.32 | Twiun | _ibz: gnight! |
| 00:36.34 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a long island |
| 00:36.39 | _ibz | oh, what's happened to openzaurus.org? |
| 00:36.43 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a long island iced tea |
| 00:36.47 | kergoth | damn bitch |
| 00:36.47 | _ibz | g'nite Twiun |
| 00:36.48 | Twiun | Sugar: make me a strong coffee |
| 00:36.53 | kergoth | ibot: it down again? |
| 00:36.54 | | kergoth: no idea |
| 00:36.57 | kergoth | bleh |
| 00:37.00 | kergoth | _ibz: it down again? |
| 00:37.03 | tux_mike|school | puu. class time |
| 00:37.06 | chouimat | *BURP* |
| 00:37.16 | _ibz | it was earlier, and last night.. |
| 00:37.44 | kergoth | _ibz: last night openzaurus.org was, www.openzaurus.org wasnt |
| 00:37.44 | hunterkll | lol |
| 00:37.48 | kergoth | _ibz: was a dns issue |
| 00:37.56 | hunterkll | *ANTIBURP* |
| 00:37.59 | kergoth | if they're both down now, its SF being a bastard |
| 00:38.18 | _ibz | ah. i can access via sf fine. |
| 00:38.24 | _ibz | anyway, g'nite. |
| 00:42.17 | Twiun | bloody hell. that's _some_ lag |
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| 00:42.59 | hardwire | trance! |
| 00:43.10 | Twiun | ok 'nother question... if I paint on a qwidget using a qpainter, do I have to bitblt myself like in the example? |
| 00:43.22 | Twiun | or is that done purely for doublebuffering? |
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| 00:57.10 | Dessimat0r | holy crap.. I'm going to bed.. right after a crap on the toilet.. so tired ;) |
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| 01:15.23 | Twiun | yikes, just read the bluetooth howto from the list... 2000ms pings. |
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| 01:33.49 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: thats awful |
| 01:35.13 | Twiun | no kidding - even over a mobile link |
| 01:35.46 | TheMasterMind1 | that's like.. 2 seconds |
| 01:35.46 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 01:35.58 | hunterkll | fuck satalite |
| 01:37.05 | Twiun | nah... GPRS shouldn't go via sattelite, just via base stations, but it still sucks |
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| 01:56.01 | Dessimat0r | gn all |
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| 02:51.29 | chouimat | does signing a nda for having the SD doc cost something? |
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| 02:57.49 | Lazerdye | Hi all. Does anybody know if there exists a compact flash USB host adaptor? Or some way to connect USB devices to the Z? |
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| 04:21.43 | zeronett | hey everyone |
| 04:21.47 | zeronett | i need some help |
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| 04:23.18 | zeronett | im trying to install the program called "Classmate" but i get ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies qpe-base |
| 04:24.24 | ljp | too much information, chouimat |
| 04:24.29 | zeronett | how can i fix this problem |
| 04:24.35 | Cloudchaser | do force depends |
| 04:25.01 | kergoth | and email the package maintainer telling them to fix the packge. it should be depending on 'qpe-base', not 'qpe-base (1.5.0)' |
| 04:27.10 | ljp | well, what if someone had qpe=base 1.4? that app wouldnt work |
| 04:27.25 | zeronett | excellent, thanks |
| 04:27.56 | kergoth | ljp: then it should Depends = qpe-base (>=1.5.0) |
| 04:27.58 | kergoth | ljp: which would still fail to install with opie, but would at least be correct :) |
| 04:28.30 | kergoth | brb |
| 04:51.54 | kergoth | therion - o fortuna .. goodd song |
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| 04:55.47 | chouimat | kergoth: can you accept DCC? |
| 04:57.37 | kergoth | chouimat: fraid not, firewalled |
| 04:57.39 | kergoth | brb |
| 05:03.30 | kergoth | re |
| 05:04.59 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 06:12.08 | cranch | anyone here? |
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| 10:33.41 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus project - http://www.openzaurus.org/ | open source java for oz coming soon |
| 10:43.24 | Dessimat0r | ibot die |
| 10:43.28 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 10:46.01 | Onyx4 | im back from vegas! |
| 10:46.32 | [DrEvil] | how much money did you lose? |
| 10:46.40 | Onyx4 | actually came up about 100$ |
| 10:46.46 | Onyx4 | which is not bad |
| 10:46.52 | Piete | wb Onyx4 |
| 10:46.56 | Piete | hey Dessimat0r |
| 10:47.01 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 10:47.03 | Piete | hey hunger.. |
| 10:47.12 | [DrEvil] | is that your net winnings? |
| 10:47.17 | Piete | speaking of hunger... I am hungry |
| 10:47.40 | Onyx4 | I won about 400 total in different sessions, lost about 300 in other sessions |
| 10:48.06 | Onyx4 | but played for a long time and bet between 5-50$ |
| 10:48.47 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 10:48.55 | Piete | later |
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| 15:11.17 | mrwoody | morning |
| 15:11.51 | Twiun | yo |
| 15:12.32 | mrwoody | what are the news about the kernel (i have been out for 2 weeks)? |
| 15:13.15 | ljp_work | umm, I think the kernel died in a helicopter crash |
| 15:13.24 | ljp_work | oh wait.. |
| 15:13.38 | ljp_work | naa.. thats on M*A*S*H stv show... nm |
| 15:14.07 | mrwoody | ? so what about the kernel? |
| 15:14.20 | ljp_work | I think kergoth said its hjust about finished, but still no updated sd driver |
| 15:14.37 | mrwoody | is it available anywhere? |
| 15:16.28 | tronical | mrwoody: http://linux-cl.bkbits.net/linux-arm-2.4-collie |
| 15:17.08 | mrwoody | tronical: not found |
| 15:18.29 | tronical | mrwoody: oh, sorry, that's the bitkeeper repository url. you can clone from that url |
| 15:18.44 | mrwoody | ok... thanks |
| 15:19.02 | mrwoody | tronical: is it possible to downlaod a compiled version from there? |
| 15:19.21 | tronical | mrwoody: nope |
| 15:19.42 | tronical | mrwoody: but oz's buildroot has everything setup for building a kernel from that |
| 15:20.14 | mrwoody | ok |
| 15:21.36 | tronical | Onyx4: thanks for the konq/e Makefile fix |
| 15:21.45 | Onyx4 | tronical: ok np |
| 15:21.54 | Onyx4 | it still doesn't build for me tough, the konq-gifplugin |
| 15:21.57 | Onyx4 | but the rest does |
| 15:22.07 | tronical | Onyx4: ohh, what's the prob with it? ahh, libtool trouble? |
| 15:22.08 | ljp_work | hmm kong.. ehh.... |
| 15:22.09 | mrwoody | Hi Onyx4... any news about the cf suspend/resume bug? |
| 15:22.20 | Onyx4 | I think it's libtool, let me recheck |
| 15:22.55 | tronical | Onyx4: I think I know the bug then |
| 15:23.28 | tronical | Onyx4: I patched konq/e's libtool but forgot to do the same fix for konqe-giflpugin. can you try to use the patchery in konqe's Makefile konqe-giflpugin/Makefile? |
| 15:25.02 | Onyx4 | mmm now it's even worse, it doesn't get pass configure script |
| 15:25.08 | Onyx4 | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 2.2.2) (library qte) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 15:25.10 | Onyx4 | For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log |
| 15:25.12 | Onyx4 | let me check log |
| 15:26.06 | Onyx4 | ah it's because of the new ts lib |
| 15:26.14 | Onyx4 | /home/clambert/oz/buildroot/output/staging/lib/libqte.so: undefined reference to `t |
| 15:26.15 | Onyx4 | s_close' |
| 15:26.17 | Onyx4 | it needs to use -lts |
| 15:27.28 | Onyx4 | does it use tmake or how does it figure out which libs to link with? |
| 15:28.24 | mrwoody | Onyx4: sorry if i bother you ... but is there anything new in the cf resume bug? |
| 15:28.40 | Onyx4 | mrwoody: well it's most likely fixed by the 2.4.19 kernel |
| 15:28.47 | Onyx4 | so we don't have to really worry about it I think |
| 15:29.10 | Onyx4 | we just need an sd driver for 2.4.19 from what I understand and we're almost all godo to go |
| 15:29.25 | mrwoody | Onyx4: something strange happened to me: it started working without me doing anything with that... but then now it stopped working again |
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| 15:29.56 | mrwoody | Onyx4: well i hope that it can release even before the sd driver (many people don't need that :-)) |
| 15:29.58 | mrwoody | hi chouimat |
| 15:30.00 | Onyx4 | yeah it goes on/off on my Z as well |
| 15:30.17 | Onyx4 | sometime I hit the bug, sometime I dont |
| 15:30.17 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:30.22 | chouimat | hey mrwoody |
| 15:30.52 | mrwoody | chouimat: how was europe? |
| 15:31.54 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 15:31.58 | SillyZ1 | mornin |
| 15:32.21 | ljp_work | eurpoe is wet, I hear' |
| 15:32.39 | pb__ | wet and cold. |
| 15:32.48 | chouimat | very wet |
| 15:32.59 | ljp_work | send rain here, please |
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| 15:36.58 | Dessimat0r | chouimat: where were you in Europe? |
| 15:37.18 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: I'm currently in a little country called Canada |
| 15:37.27 | Twiun | whazzat? |
| 15:37.33 | Twiun | Can I Die? |
| 15:37.46 | Twiun | nope... never heard of Northern Americsomething |
| 15:38.08 | ljp_work | isnt Canada a northern state of the US yet? :) |
| 15:38.18 | Twiun | must be by now |
| 15:38.35 | Twiun | then again, isn't the UK the 52nd state? |
| 15:38.41 | Twiun | with Blair as governor? |
| 15:38.45 | ljp_work | na,, we dont want that |
| 15:40.22 | Dessimat0r | me neither |
| 15:40.25 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 15:40.27 | Dessimat0r | crappy laws |
| 15:40.35 | ljp_work | crappy weather |
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| 15:40.57 | zeronett | hey everyone |
| 15:41.06 | Dessimat0r | UK is the manchester of the world |
| 15:41.20 | Dessimat0r | manchester is the manchester of the UK o_O |
| 15:41.22 | zeronett | im having trouble finding a web browser for oz, anyone have a link for one? |
| 15:41.33 | Onyx4 | konq is part of OZ now |
| 15:41.52 | zeronett | since when? |
| 15:41.53 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: I was in Lausanne form december 18th(left montreal) to december 30th |
| 15:41.58 | zeronett | was it just added? |
| 15:42.08 | Dessimat0r | chouimat: ah |
| 15:42.27 | Onyx4 | zeronett: http://feed.onyx4.com/unstable/konqueror-snapshot-full_0.9.1-20021229.1_arm.ipk |
| 15:42.37 | Onyx4 | since OZ 3.1rc1 |
| 15:44.26 | zeronett | onyx4: thanks |
| 15:44.40 | zeronett | onyx4: oh ok i still have 3.0 |
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| 15:53.20 | Dessimat0r | pissed off with people that say 'alot' instead of 'a lot' |
| 15:54.42 | ljp_work | alot alot alot |
| 15:54.49 | Dessimat0r | motyhjyuj |
| 15:55.11 | Dessimat0r | Perhaps this common spelling error began because there does exist in English a word spelled "allot" which is a verb meaning to apportion or grant. The correct form, with "a" and "lot" separated by a space is perhaps not often encountered in print because formal writers usually use other expressions such as "a great deal," "often," etc. If you can't remember the rule, just remind yourself that just as you wouldn't wri |
| 15:55.18 | Onyx4 | anybody tried the new hostap driver with 2.4.6 yet? |
| 15:55.52 | ljp_work | thats alot of text to type |
| 15:56.04 | Dessimat0r | yeah, i copied it ;) |
| 15:56.15 | ljp_work | thats alot of text to paste |
| 15:56.41 | ljp_work | alot of lines were used |
| 15:57.08 | ljp_work | there were alot of things wrong with that Linux Journal article |
| 15:57.19 | ljp_work | hmmm |
| 15:57.24 | ljp_work | you are ignoring me now |
| 15:57.57 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 16:02.10 | ljp_work | alot of people get mad if you ignore them |
| 16:02.24 | Onyx4 | tronical: libxine fails to build for me |
| 16:02.26 | Onyx4 | -c input_http.c -Wp,-MD,.deps/input_http.TPlo -fPIC -DPIC -o input_http.lo |
| 16:02.27 | Onyx4 | /tmp/cc2rfA43.s: Assembler messages: |
| 16:02.27 | Onyx4 | /tmp/cc2rfA43.s:39: Error: bad instruction `rorw $8,r3' |
| 16:02.27 | Onyx4 | make[6]: *** [input_http.lo] Error 1 |
| 16:09.46 | Dessimat0r | damn you! ;) |
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| 16:19.34 | kergoth | Onyx4: fyi, libqte does link with -lts |
| 16:19.37 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:20.07 | Onyx4 | kergoth: yeah but it seems that at compile time, each of the applications needs to be passed also -lts |
| 16:20.13 | kergoth | no |
| 16:20.14 | kergoth | they dont. |
| 16:20.28 | kergoth | libqte is linked aginst it, as long as the app sets rpath-link, you're fine. |
| 16:20.29 | Onyx4 | otherwise I get undefined symlbol |
| 16:20.42 | kergoth | then your libqte wasnt linked against it |
| 16:20.49 | Onyx4 | so we should maybe switch back to compiling apps with rpath? |
| 16:20.54 | kergoth | NO |
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| 16:20.56 | kergoth | i said rpath-LINK |
| 16:20.58 | kergoth | not rpath |
| 16:21.00 | kergoth | they're completely different |
| 16:21.06 | Onyx4 | it was the same problem with libz, libpng, etc... |
| 16:21.13 | kergoth | you're not listening |
| 16:21.15 | Onyx4 | we had to add them to invidual application builds |
| 16:21.40 | kergoth | who's 'we' anyway? |
| 16:21.47 | Onyx4 | I understand rpath-link would solve it,since qt is linked is libts |
| 16:22.01 | kergoth | you already need rpath-link |
| 16:22.02 | Onyx4 | but we'd need to adapt tmake and other like SDL and such to use that |
| 16:22.15 | kergoth | for anything that uses qt functions that involve libz, libpng |
| 16:22.27 | kergoth | any lib that libqte links against will _not_ be found without rpath-link |
| 16:22.28 | kergoth | period |
| 16:22.36 | Onyx4 | from what I understand, we compile apps right now with -ljpeg -lz -lpng -lqte -lqpe |
| 16:22.40 | kergoth | no. |
| 16:22.55 | kergoth | you compile apps with -lqte -lqpe -Wl,rpath-link=$(STAGING_DIR)/lib |
| 16:23.13 | Onyx4 | well that's not how it is right now, that's how it should be I guess |
| 16:23.17 | kergoth | it can locate the libz, libpng, libjpeg, and now libts, via libqte |
| 16:23.21 | Onyx4 | build puzz-le for example |
| 16:23.24 | kergoth | sine libqte was linked against them itself |
| 16:23.33 | Onyx4 | or zuc for example |
| 16:23.34 | kergoth | build puzz-le? its a waste of my fucking time |
| 16:23.37 | kergoth | I'm working on the touchscreen |
| 16:23.40 | kergoth | for the new kernel |
| 16:23.48 | kergoth | if you want to take over on that, I can waste time on build issues |
| 16:24.12 | Onyx4 | it's easy fixable to use the rpath-link, it's better that way apps would work on the sharp rom too |
| 16:24.15 | Twiun | hey kerg |
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| 16:24.24 | Onyx4 | otherwise if they don't have libts, they'll not start on sharp rom |
| 16:24.27 | kergoth | Onyx4: yep |
| 16:24.32 | kergoth | Onyx4: the links shouldnt be explicit |
| 16:24.37 | kergoth | Onyx4: they should be implicit from the qte link |
| 16:24.42 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 16:24.58 | Twiun | kergoth: good news - I'm now a temp sales assistant $10/hour |
| 16:25.04 | Onyx4 | ok.... I'll adapt the tmake and such to use that method instead |
| 16:25.07 | kergoth | Twiun: hey nice. better than nothing eh |
| 16:25.11 | kergoth | Onyx4: why dont we stop using tmake? |
| 16:25.17 | kergoth | Onyx4: its completely unnecessary. |
| 16:25.25 | Twiun | kergoth: and got turned down for a tech support position :) Overqualified! |
| 16:25.34 | Onyx4 | or just qmake , doesn't really matter, both are simple |
| 16:25.36 | kergoth | Twiun: ack |
| 16:25.46 | kergoth | Onyx4: using both is pointless |
| 16:26.01 | Twiun | kergoth: twas badly paid anyway - and I would've buggered off after 6months |
| 16:26.05 | ljp_work | ibot: lart kergoth |
| 16:26.12 | kergoth | ljp_work: thanks, i needed that |
| 16:26.16 | ljp_work | :D |
| 16:26.39 | chouimat | kergoth: |
| 16:26.41 | chouimat | hi |
| 16:26.54 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 16:27.11 | Onyx4 | qmake doesn't even use the rpath-link afaik, I tried compiling zremote with qmake, and it compiled about not finding libts |
| 16:27.16 | kergoth | huh? |
| 16:27.22 | Onyx4 | even if I did rebuild it and qte as well |
| 16:27.24 | kergoth | so change the configs |
| 16:27.26 | kergoth | big fucking deal |
| 16:27.29 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 16:28.01 | kergoth | of course it doesnt use rpath-link, most people dont have a staging area in their build environment |
| 16:28.12 | kergoth | and as such place their libs directly into thier respective toolchain library paths |
| 16:28.15 | kergoth | so they get found regardless |
| 16:30.04 | Onyx4 | k |
| 16:31.07 | kergoth | so change the qmake templates to use rpath-link, ditch tmake and change the tmake references to qmake, and you're done |
| 16:31.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:31.59 | kergoth | okay time to reflash 2.4.6 with a stock rom and a debug libqte to compare x/y coords and pressure values |
| 16:33.19 | Onyx4 | yeah I'll work on that tomororw |
| 16:33.21 | Onyx4 | I mean today |
| 16:33.25 | Onyx4 | didn't sleep yet heh |
| 16:33.45 | kergoth | heh |
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| 16:39.21 | plastik | *9* |
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| 16:39.53 | plastik | sorry ferret on kb |
| 16:39.54 | AndyQ | afternoon |
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| 16:44.25 | mark | hi AndyQ |
| 16:46.01 | ljp_work | hey! I wrote a line of code! woot! |
| 16:46.10 | AndyQ | ljp_work: just the one? |
| 16:46.38 | ljp_work | well, one new one and added to another :) |
| 16:46.43 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 16:47.11 | ljp_work | maybe my programmers block is over |
| 16:48.36 | icefox | nice |
| 16:48.53 | JasonNJ | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 16:49.01 | ljp_work | hmmm |
| 16:49.05 | JasonNJ | I am bored out of my skull |
| 16:49.10 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 16:49.13 | AndyQ | lol |
| 16:49.15 | chouimat | JasonNJ: caught your wang in your pants zipper? |
| 16:49.25 | JasonNJ | chou: I've done that |
| 16:50.02 | JasonNJ | hey, I think I have the replacemant name for OpenZaurus. |
| 16:50.05 | JasonNJ | ready? |
| 16:50.13 | JasonNJ | Ziagra! |
| 16:50.21 | AndyQ | lol |
| 16:50.25 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:50.42 | chouimat | JasonNJ: www.derkarl.org/improved_euro.jpg |
| 16:50.48 | ljp_work | well, Linux Journal already renamed it Opie |
| 16:50.55 | JasonNJ | Ziagra: put some spunk into your old PDA |
| 16:51.08 | JasonNJ | LJ is talking about OPIE? |
| 16:51.21 | ljp_work | 39 new hot zaurus apps |
| 16:51.27 | ljp_work | Jan edition |
| 16:51.32 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yeah, completely misinformed, unfortunately |
| 16:51.32 | JasonNJ | kewl. |
| 16:51.34 | ljp_work | calls opie a rom |
| 16:51.41 | dscordia_ | chouimat: what the heck is that shape even supposed to be? |
| 16:51.45 | ljp_work | doesnt mention openzaurus |
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| 16:52.03 | ljp_work | but has a screenie of gutenbrowser :) |
| 16:52.20 | mark | ljp_work: hehe, cool |
| 16:52.29 | nagR0M | anything new happening with oz in the last few weeks. |
| 16:52.37 | ljp_work | and a screenie of drawpad on the cover |
| 16:52.43 | JasonNJ | new kernel |
| 16:52.45 | kergoth | ljp_work: nice |
| 16:52.49 | JasonNJ | nag: openzaurus.org |
| 16:52.53 | JasonNJ | mucho progress |
| 16:53.28 | kergoth | JasonNJ: we're tantalizingly close to completing the TS stuff |
| 16:53.35 | mark | yey |
| 16:53.50 | ljp_work | AndyQ: you have a url to the current sfcave I could dl? |
| 16:54.00 | AndyQ | ibot AndyQ |
| 16:54.01 | | i heard andyq is the guy who wrote AQPkg and the marvellous SFCave and his feed is at http://andyq.myby.co.uk/feed |
| 16:54.09 | AndyQ | ljp_work: check out there |
| 16:54.16 | nagR0M | has there been anything new since the first rc1? |
| 16:54.20 | ljp_work | is that accessable from a web browser? |
| 16:54.26 | AndyQ | yup |
| 16:54.36 | ljp_work | ok, cool. thanks |
| 16:54.50 | JasonNJ | I dont get a hug? |
| 16:55.28 | JasonNJ | kergoth: so once TS is done we can actually like... relase a test rom? |
| 16:55.32 | ljp_work | I gues your in the 'etc' part |
| 16:55.55 | JasonNJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.37 | numatrix | JasonNJ: sd support would be nice. |
| 16:56.44 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 16:58.08 | AndyQ | kergoth: how close are you to getting the ts complete? |
| 16:58.48 | kergoth | AndyQ: very. the tslib module is done, and qt's tslib support is in place, but we still cant seem to get past opie's calibration |
| 16:59.03 | chouimat | hmm MMCA specs are 500$ I wonders the price of the SDCA one |
| 16:59.07 | AndyQ | good work |
| 16:59.09 | kergoth | AndyQ: could be something is still wrong in our coordinate calculations.. I'm reflashing 2.4.6 in a moment to compare the numbers |
| 16:59.14 | kergoth | AndyQ: so we should know soon |
| 16:59.21 | AndyQ | kergoth: anything I can do? |
| 17:01.57 | kergoth | AndyQ: not that i can think of. just wait patiently :) |
| 17:02.36 | AndyQ | lol :) |
| 17:03.00 | AndyQ | better idea - I'll work some more of sfcave ready for your the .19 release :) |
| 17:04.26 | pb__ | chouimat: the problem with SD is not so much the cost of the specs (though you do have to pay fairly substantial fees), but the fact that you have to agree not to publish source code for any driver you write. |
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| 17:05.49 | ljp_work | AndyQ: the up button doesnt work for me in the sdl version of sfcave |
| 17:06.06 | AndyQ | ljp_work: nope your right it doesn't yet |
| 17:06.16 | AndyQ | use the middle button - I'll change the message |
| 17:06.17 | chouimat | pb__: that not a problems, I will just keep it in sinc with the kernel, but I don't have any money for that |
| 17:06.36 | AndyQ | ljp_work: unless you'd like support for the up button of course |
| 17:08.00 | ljp_work | middle button? thats the one I am talking about, the big round one |
| 17:08.15 | AndyQ | you said the up button - |
| 17:08.33 | AndyQ | which the up part of the big round button |
| 17:08.45 | AndyQ | the middle button is the middle part of the big round button :) |
| 17:08.53 | AndyQ | which is also the space key |
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| 17:15.30 | ljp_w | ya, up on the big round button |
| 17:17.05 | chouimat | kergoth: did you received the arm documentations cd? |
| 17:17.34 | AndyQ | ljp_w: up on the big round button doesn't do anything - middle on the big round button does |
| 17:17.53 | kergoth | chouimat: nope, never got it |
| 17:18.01 | chouimat | kergoth: same here |
| 17:20.23 | kergoth | bastards |
| 17:22.04 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:24.05 | ljp_w | ahhh, ok. i see. nice flamout |
| 17:24.11 | ljp_w | flameout |
| 17:24.32 | AndyQ | ljp_w: like the explosions ? |
| 17:24.37 | ljp_w | ya |
| 17:24.41 | ljp_w | nifty |
| 17:24.51 | AndyQ | thinking about adding sound - what do you think? |
| 17:25.36 | ljp_w | surwe |
| 17:25.49 | ljp_w | can you change the gravity? |
| 17:26.10 | AndyQ | ljp_w: dead easy - why? |
| 17:26.55 | ljp_w | hang on.. customer |
| 17:27.10 | kergoth | damn that real work |
| 17:27.23 | AndyQ | :) |
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| 17:37.04 | mrwoody | ibot: seen ciaolinux |
| 17:37.04 | | ciaolinux <~ciaolinux@MSTU83.CIMS.NYU.EDU> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 19d 15h 21m 8s ago, saying: 'ibot: seen chouimat'. |
| 17:37.04 | chouimat | hi mrwoody |
| 17:37.19 | chouimat | mrwoody: when was that? |
| 17:37.23 | mrwoody | chouimat: hi... |
| 17:37.33 | mrwoody | chouimat: well i wonder what happened to ciaolinux |
| 17:37.42 | chouimat | mrwoody: dead? |
| 17:38.10 | mrwoody | chouimat: looks like... i think he was there until 2 days ago... I just arrived in NY and haven't been at my office yet |
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| 17:38.29 | chouimat | mrwoody: how was the vacation? |
| 17:38.41 | mrwoody | chouimat: too short :-) |
| 17:38.50 | mrwoody | chouimat: how about yours? |
| 17:39.19 | chouimat | mrwoody: switzerland is very nice, people (native) a little bit boring, but the imported nurses .... |
| 17:39.27 | chouimat | :) |
| 17:39.37 | mrwoody | :-) nurses? |
| 17:39.55 | chouimat | mrwoody: some of my mother coworkers :) |
| 17:40.08 | mrwoody | chouimat: not too old ? ;-) |
| 17:40.17 | chouimat | mrwoody: 24,25 and 28 |
| 17:40.44 | mrwoody | chouimat: cool... it is an interesting thing to go after the mom's coworkers! :-) |
| 17:41.11 | mrwoody | chouimat: did you show them your Z? |
| 17:41.18 | mrwoody | :-) |
| 17:41.20 | chouimat | mrwoody: heh? it's my mother fault, she introduced me to them |
| 17:41.39 | chouimat | mrwoody: yup, the keyboard .... |
| 17:42.01 | mrwoody | chouimat: did they like that? |
| 17:42.16 | mrwoody | chouimat: so you can handle 3 girls at the same time? |
| 17:42.39 | chouimat | mrwoody:hehe, I will not tell you that :) |
| 17:43.21 | mrwoody | chouimat: hmm... french people all the same! |
| 17:43.46 | chouimat | mrwoody: italian are not better :) |
| 17:43.51 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 17:44.12 | mrwoody | chouimat: hmm... maybe we are ot, continue talking about the kb |
| 17:44.25 | chouimat | mrwoody: :P |
| 17:44.52 | AndyQ | lol |
| 17:45.34 | chouimat | mrwoody: I will just tell you, very nice memories :) |
| 17:45.57 | mrwoody | chouimat: you mean you bought new ram? ;-) |
| 17:46.10 | chouimat | brb. I will go fetch some food |
| 17:46.23 | chouimat | mrwoody: yup, a big 28 |
| 17:48.35 | kergoth | bleh, without docs on LoCoMo's SPI registers we're in trouble |
| 17:48.59 | chouimat|away | kergoth: pester sharp drones |
| 17:49.34 | kergoth | chouimat|away: yeah. I dont _need_ info on SD init, just info on locomo SPI so we can at least get MMC.. |
| 17:50.24 | mrwoody | kergoth: does mmc work on the .19 atm? |
| 17:50.35 | kergoth | no |
| 17:50.37 | kergoth | i just said |
| 17:50.40 | kergoth | i dont have enough documentation |
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| 17:57.54 | kergoth | yo jmhodges |
| 18:02.18 | numatrix | kergoth: If someone does reverse engineering on the existing module in a country where the reverse engineering is not illegal and writes their own opensource version of the driver would that driver be illegal? |
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| 18:02.42 | kergoth | numatrix: you mean illegal for someoen in the US to use? |
| 18:02.49 | numatrix | kergoth: ya |
| 18:03.05 | kergoth | numatrix: good question. not afaik, but I know very little about legalities |
| 18:03.42 | numatrix | Maybe we could find someone in a country with less restrictive laws who might be willing to reverse engineer the existing module. Then again, it's probably easier to convince sharp to recompile it for a newer kernel... |
| 18:03.46 | mrwoody | kergoth: how difficoult woult that be (from a practical point of view) |
| 18:04.01 | kergoth | mrwoody: how difficult would what be? |
| 18:04.05 | kergoth | numatrix: its possible |
| 18:04.08 | numatrix | Though the first has the advantage of a true opensource SD driver that has a much wider appeal |
| 18:04.11 | mrwoody | kergoth: the reverse eng |
| 18:04.21 | kergoth | numatrix: I await a response from Sharp |
| 18:04.41 | numatrix | kergoth: We all do. :-) |
| 18:04.47 | mrwoody | numatrix: do you have any idea what are the counties where it wouldn't be illegal (except iraq/north korea) |
| 18:04.53 | XavierXeon | how about scsi emulation of the sd card like it is used by card readers under linux ? |
| 18:04.56 | numatrix | mrwoody: Russia, I believe. |
| 18:05.14 | kergoth | XavierXeon: eh? |
| 18:05.15 | numatrix | mrwoody: afaik, in russia it's illegal NOT to let someone reverse engineer, though I may be wrong. |
| 18:05.27 | chouimat | canada but only for pwersonal use and educational purpose |
| 18:05.33 | mrwoody | numatrix: nice |
| 18:05.44 | kergoth | XavierXeon: card readers are doing the real work, the access of the SD.. without that piece, a scsi emulation layer is useless. |
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| 18:06.27 | XavierXeon | kergoth: sounds reasonable. and the z does not do that. |
| 18:06.32 | numatrix | mrwoody: yeah, that was a part of the whole pdf ebook and Skylrov (or however it's spelled) deal. Elmcomsoft was making software that enabled russian users to make compies of locked ebooks, making ebooks esentially legal when they weren't before since users couldn't copy their own content. |
| 18:06.35 | kergoth | XavierXeon: eh? |
| 18:06.38 | kergoth | XavierXeon: yes, it does. in its _driver_ |
| 18:06.47 | kergoth | XavierXeon: for a usb card reader, its done in _firmware_ |
| 18:07.02 | XavierXeon | kergoth: thats what i meant |
| 18:16.21 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:16.31 | kergoth | well there's the first problem with the old sd module not working |
| 18:16.53 | kergoth | I rearranged the interrupts a bit, need to change the SPI irqs so that its attempts to request it are valid |
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| 18:17.25 | kergoth | TimRiker: hey tim |
| 18:18.00 | mickeyl | D'oh qt-embedded-2.3.4 beta4 is out? |
| 18:18.08 | kergoth | it is? |
| 18:18.10 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 18:18.20 | kergoth | well we should use it then eh |
| 18:18.46 | mickeyl | what about the issues with later than beta2 snapshots? |
| 18:19.13 | kergoth | hopefully they're gone :) its worth testing anyway |
| 18:19.24 | AndyQ | kergoth: is touchscreen working now? |
| 18:22.09 | kergoth | no |
| 18:27.52 | mickeyl | hmm... 2.3.4-beta4 looks a lot like snapshot-021219 |
| 18:28.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:33.37 | jmhodges | heya kergoth! |
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| 18:36.06 | mickeyl | one opie patch fails for beta4, but it's only a minor issue in src/Makefile.in |
| 18:37.06 | kergoth | okay saved known good values for calibration that opie gets from qt.. |
| 18:37.14 | kergoth | now to compare against 2.4.19 |
| 18:43.15 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:43.38 | mickeyl | ? |
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| 18:49.16 | kergoth | The numbers we're getting from qt in 2.4.19 are most definately off |
| 18:49.20 | kergoth | hm |
| 18:49.47 | AndyQ | by how much? |
| 18:50.24 | kergoth | its hard to describe |
| 18:50.40 | kergoth | the left X values are off by about 80 pixels to the right, approx |
| 18:50.58 | kergoth | the right x values are between 450 and 600, when they should be between 800 and 900 |
| 18:51.02 | kergoth | its odd |
| 18:51.33 | tux_mike | for the touchpad? |
| 18:51.35 | AndyQ | hmm very strange - any idea which part is giving the wrong values - ts_lib/opie/etc |
| 18:51.36 | AndyQ | ? |
| 18:51.43 | kergoth | interesting |
| 18:51.51 | kergoth | the top right and top left Y values vary by 200 |
| 18:51.57 | kergoth | though they're supposed to be the same height.. |
| 18:52.01 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 18:52.12 | AndyQ | kergoth - could things be rotated? |
| 18:52.16 | kergoth | I wonder if qt's handling the rotation right |
| 18:52.19 | tux_mike | are you sure your touchpad ain't fux0red? :) |
| 18:52.19 | kergoth | er yeah |
| 18:52.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:52.36 | kergoth | I'll have it dump the values prior to its rotation bits as well |
| 18:52.43 | kergoth | so i see the raw data grabbed from qt |
| 18:52.57 | tux_mike | hurray for raw data |
| 18:53.00 | AndyQ | lol |
| 18:53.01 | kergoth | that Y value fluctuation is strange |
| 18:53.10 | AndyQ | kergoth: does the X fluctuate as well? |
| 18:53.13 | kergoth | the X value does what it should.. goes from 2 to 638 |
| 18:53.24 | AndyQ | now thats really odd |
| 18:53.34 | kergoth | but instead of Y staying around the same, it reliably is around 130 on the right, and around 350 on the left |
| 18:53.36 | AndyQ | if rotation is borked |
| 18:53.58 | kergoth | i need a lot more printf/ks |
| 18:54.04 | AndyQ | heh |
| 18:54.18 | AndyQ | and let me guess - about another 3 reflashes :) |
| 18:54.37 | tux_mike | 3? try thirty |
| 18:54.38 | kergoth | I need to see 1) the values as they come from the hardware in the ts driver, 2) the raw data qt reads from tslib/ts, 3) the data opie reads from qt |
| 18:54.49 | tronical | hey all |
| 18:54.49 | mickeyl | btw... why must we flash to upgrade the kernel? wouldn't something like grub or lilo reasonable? |
| 18:54.54 | kergoth | then I need (for 2.4.19 only) to see the data before, and after my tslib module fluctuation |
| 18:55.03 | kergoth | mickeyl: we're using angel. replace the bootloader and yes we can |
| 18:55.07 | AndyQ | mickeyl: I'd guess space for kernel |
| 18:55.14 | kergoth | mickeyl: feel free to port bootldr, blob, or redboot, or what have you |
| 18:55.15 | AndyQ | or maybe not :) |
| 18:55.21 | mickeyl | kergoth: hehe, that'd be cool |
| 18:55.21 | tronical | kergoth: thought about the same today, starting to compare data on the kernel level first (i.e. the raw data from ucb) |
| 18:55.36 | kergoth | tronical: yep, i want to verify our ts driver isnt the problem |
| 18:55.51 | kergoth | that Y fluctuation when I only changed the X position is really weird |
| 18:55.56 | tronical | kergoth: because the rest looks pretty good to me (your collie transformation and the fact that the qt code works with tslib under .6, too) |
| 18:56.23 | tronical | kergoth: I started to compare the ucb drivers until I noticed that .19 uses that new sync scheme for reading |
| 18:56.45 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 18:56.45 | kergoth | tronical: not much new about that |
| 18:56.58 | kergoth | tronical: it just lets you pass in how you want the read, instead of using hardcoded values |
| 18:57.19 | kergoth | tronical: the 2.4.6 code uses (iirc) async for everything but TS, and sync for ts |
| 18:57.20 | tronical | kergoth: ah, you mean instead of the ugly state machine in .6? |
| 18:57.25 | kergoth | tronical: yep :) |
| 18:57.35 | tronical | kergoth: quite an improvement in .19 then, very nice :) |
| 18:57.54 | kergoth | yep, it only makes sense. the driver will know how it wants its reads to behave |
| 18:58.55 | AndyQ | kergoth: not sure whether this is relevant to the SD driver but just come across a post on Zaurus dev board: "The DMCA says that you can not crack the encryption on the card. So you can't write a program to break the code of an encrypted card. But you can write a driver to control a non-encrypted card." |
| 18:58.56 | tronical | kergoth: is there an easy way to print to stdout from kernel space? |
| 18:59.26 | kergoth | tronical: printk() .. it prints to the kernel's message buffer, which (depending on loglevel) goes to whatever you have the console set to (VT, serial..)] |
| 18:59.33 | AndyQ | kergoth: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=433&s=543c7d7d3e8c32fc22f3a6ba8307d1db if you are interested |
| 18:59.34 | kergoth | tronical: same format as printf |
| 18:59.37 | tronical | kergoth: (like, when adding printk's to the ts driver I don't want it to fill the console :) |
| 18:59.42 | kergoth | tronical: use KERN_DEBUG then |
| 18:59.51 | tronical | ahh, KERN_DEBUG, that I was missing. thx |
| 18:59.57 | kergoth | tronical: it'll still be accessible via dmesg/\/proc\/ksyms, but wont go to console |
| 19:00.00 | kergoth | np |
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| 19:00.03 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 19:00.06 | AndyQ | hey Dessimat0r |
| 19:00.11 | kergoth | tronical: printk(KERN_DEBUG "bleh\n"); ;) |
| 19:00.55 | Dessimat0r | hmm.. in my warehouse program, i need to find out how much stock will fit into a storage space |
| 19:01.21 | Dessimat0r | with length, height, and width lol |
| 19:02.21 | kergoth | tronical: You going to do the comparison of the x/y/pressure as seen by the kernel ucb driver in 2.4.6 vs 2.4.19, or should I? |
| 19:03.06 | Dessimat0r | would catting the touchscreen driver show anything useful? |
| 19:03.40 | kergoth | only if you can read a ts_event structure |
| 19:03.44 | kergoth | i.e. no. |
| 19:03.48 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 19:05.17 | tronical | kergoth: I can give it a try |
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| 19:05.38 | Dessimat0r | couldn't you do cat /dev/ts/ > something, in order to parse the event structure, and display it? |
| 19:05.51 | Dessimat0r | ignore the leading / |
| 19:06.02 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: yes, its more trouble than its worth |
| 19:06.10 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 19:06.18 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: easier to add printks to the drivers in 2.4.6 and 2.4.19 and flash and run a calibration, and compare |
| 19:06.25 | Dessimat0r | i see ;) |
| 19:06.34 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: which is what i just asked tronical if he was doing :) |
| 19:06.49 | tronical | kergoth: in fact... we could share the work, one picks .6 and the other .19 :) |
| 19:06.55 | kergoth | tronical: i was just thinking that :) |
| 19:07.16 | tronical | assuming that we agree on trying to hit the calibration cross as accurate as possible (i.e. disallow beer consumption during the tests :) |
| 19:07.26 | mark | hehe |
| 19:07.27 | kergoth | tronical: hehe. exactly. |
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| 19:07.58 | kergoth | tronical: so which one do you want to take? ;) |
| 19:08.06 | tronical | kergoth: I'll pick the mess of .6 |
| 19:08.15 | kergoth | k good, i already added the printks to my 2.4.19 tree |
| 19:08.16 | kergoth | :D |
| 19:08.20 | tronical | :) |
| 19:08.51 | kergoth | this problem is annoying me. we're so close, yet so far away |
| 19:08.52 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:09.07 | tronical | yeah |
| 19:09.16 | ljp_work | ibot: lart kergoth's problem |
| 19:09.21 | kergoth | ljp_work: thanks |
| 19:09.25 | ljp_work | :D sure |
| 19:09.42 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: in SFCave, do you draw the line in memory, and then output it to the screen, or draw it ias it is outputted? (for the background) |
| 19:09.50 | Dessimat0r | ias = as |
| 19:09.57 | AndyQ | ljp_work: I've tweaked SFCaves physics a bit - what did you want me to do though? |
| 19:10.17 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: everything is drawn to a buffer and then blitted to the screen in one go (via a page flip |
| 19:10.29 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 19:11.19 | Dessimat0r | was going to say, could be the reason why it still looks a bit jerky (the blocks, etc) |
| 19:11.37 | tronical | (eek, just had an Oops inserting cf card in running .19) |
| 19:11.47 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: nope - its just the rate of movement - tried everything I can think of |
| 19:12.03 | Dessimat0r | i see ;) |
| 19:12.16 | Dessimat0r | so its the refresh rate of the Zaurus's LCD? |
| 19:12.21 | Dessimat0r | that is causing that |
| 19:12.48 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: not sure - bit past my understanding/knowledge |
| 19:12.53 | Dessimat0r | heh, k |
| 19:12.54 | kergoth | tronical: hey! tmm1 saw that. did it crash, or can you capture the oops? |
| 19:13.27 | tronical | kergoth: rebooted already, too late ;( I'll try again (need anyway, to copy .6 images onto it :) |
| 19:13.33 | kergoth | tronical: ah, okay |
| 19:13.36 | Dessimat0r | parts of the blocks seem to more faster than other parts, if you get my drift, as they move along the screen |
| 19:13.47 | kergoth | tronical: if you see it again at some point, capture it. I'd like to fix it |
| 19:13.49 | tronical | kergoth: ok, got it |
| 19:13.51 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: nope |
| 19:14.36 | tronical | kergoth: http://www10.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~simon/tmp/oz_kernel_oops.txt |
| 19:14.56 | Dessimat0r | hmm |
| 19:15.39 | kergoth | tronical: do me a favor.. in your linux-arm-2.4-collie tree, run cat oz_kernel_oops.txt | ksymoops -v vmlinux -m System.map -K -L -O > oz_kernel_oops_decoded.txt |
| 19:15.44 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: just knocking frame rate down..... |
| 19:15.48 | kergoth | tronical: :) |
| 19:15.56 | Dessimat0r | how would i save a screenshot every millisecond (or less), each with a different name? |
| 19:15.57 | tronical | kergoth: oh, sure. one sec |
| 19:16.02 | kergoth | tronical: thanks |
| 19:16.27 | Dessimat0r | from the framebuffer |
| 19:17.07 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: a loop using usleep? |
| 19:17.25 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: i.e. while(1){usleep(1); ...fb stuff..;} |
| 19:17.34 | Dessimat0r | hmm |
| 19:17.48 | Dessimat0r | could the name be done using a random number generator? |
| 19:18.08 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: yep. or you could name it based on the time when you save it or something |
| 19:19.15 | Dessimat0r | and to save an image from the touchscreen, its print /dev/fb > <filename> ? |
| 19:19.36 | Dessimat0r | oops, framebu |
| 19:19.39 | Dessimat0r | ffer ;) |
| 19:19.49 | tronical | kergoth: http://www10.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~simon/tmp/oz_kernel_oops_decoded.txt |
| 19:20.13 | tronical | kergoth: not sure if it's of any use tho (should I pass -a arm or something?) |
| 19:21.05 | AndyQ | kergoth: and you understand that? |
| 19:21.18 | AndyQ | kergoth: you need to get out more! :) |
| 19:28.11 | Dessimat0r | can you declare variables in scripts? |
| 19:30.14 | tronical | shell scripts? sure ;) |
| 19:31.00 | tronical | damnit, bloody pcmcia doesn't feel like working anymore at all ;( it used to! |
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| 19:36.31 | ljp_work | ibot test |
| 19:36.32 | | Test failed! |
| 19:36.38 | AndyQ | lart ibot |
| 19:36.43 | AndyQ | ~lart ibot |
| 19:36.49 | AndyQ | bastard! |
| 19:36.52 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 19:37.22 | AndyQ | ~lart everyone |
| 19:37.27 | Bovine | ow |
| 19:37.34 | AndyQ | ibot - the kung foo master |
| 19:37.35 | | bugger all, i dunno, AndyQ |
| 19:37.41 | AndyQ | don't give him any shit :) |
| 19:37.51 | Bovine | ibot give AndyQ some shit |
| 19:37.52 | | Bovine: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:37.55 | Bovine | heh |
| 19:38.00 | AndyQ | lol |
| 19:38.05 | AndyQ | Suagr - get me a beer |
| 19:38.09 | ljp_work | ~lart Sugar |
| 19:38.10 | AndyQ | Sugar - get me a beer |
| 19:38.23 | AndyQ | Sugar pass me a beer |
| 19:38.27 | Bovine | Sugar is a bot? |
| 19:38.29 | AndyQ | pah! |
| 19:38.32 | AndyQ | yup |
| 19:38.33 | Bovine | Sugar die |
| 19:38.42 | Bovine | ibot kill Sugar |
| 19:38.43 | | i don't know, Bovine |
| 19:38.50 | Bovine | ~kill sugar |
| 19:38.51 | AndyQ | sugar give me a beer |
| 19:38.56 | JasonNJ | ibot whack off |
| 19:38.57 | | JasonNJ: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 19:38.58 | AndyQ | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 19:39.05 | JasonNJ | ibot: hump |
| 19:39.10 | | ACTION humps the channel |
| 19:39.10 | AndyQ | :) |
| 19:39.14 | AndyQ | ibot: we know your a whacker :) |
| 19:39.15 | | AndyQ: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:39.15 | Bovine | ewww |
| 19:39.17 | Bovine | sticky |
| 19:39.21 | AndyQ | urrgh! |
| 19:39.30 | JasonNJ | ibot hump bovine |
| 19:39.31 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, JasonNJ |
| 19:39.35 | Bovine | phew |
| 19:39.36 | Bovine | :D |
| 19:39.45 | Bovine | ~hump Sugar |
| 19:39.51 | Bovine | nope.. |
| 19:39.52 | kergoth | someone just sent me a zaurus security vulnerability notice |
| 19:39.55 | AndyQ | ibot: go screw yourself |
| 19:39.56 | | wish i knew, AndyQ |
| 19:39.58 | kergoth | fun |
| 19:40.06 | AndyQ | hours of it :) |
| 19:40.11 | Bovine | kergoth: anything good? |
| 19:40.13 | JasonNJ | oooooh |
| 19:40.14 | Bovine | or bad... |
| 19:40.17 | JasonNJ | vulerabilities.... |
| 19:40.21 | kergoth | vulnerability related to ipkg |
| 19:40.23 | AndyQ | what you don't know is that I come here during the day and insult ibot some :) |
| 19:40.25 | Dessimat0r | hax0r teh n3t |
| 19:40.27 | JasonNJ | all your base belong to us |
| 19:40.33 | tronical | heh |
| 19:40.34 | kergoth | pre/post rm/inst scripts run as root, the package could be mailicious |
| 19:40.41 | Bovine | ahh |
| 19:40.55 | Bovine | prob like most pkg mgmt tools though... |
| 19:41.05 | ljp_work | heh the whole damn system runs as root |
| 19:41.12 | Bovine | true |
| 19:41.17 | Bovine | and no root pass by default :P |
| 19:41.35 | Dessimat0r | dammit, I try and run my script, but it says 'file not found'. I made sure it had executable permissions using chmod 777 |
| 19:41.47 | Dessimat0r | using ./screen to try and run |
| 19:42.08 | Dessimat0r | has #! /bin/bash at top |
| 19:42.09 | tronical | pgp support for the md5 sums in the package index would be cool tho, so you could verify that packages you get off oz.org are signed by a common oz.org key (assuming it would exist) |
| 19:42.15 | AndyQ | hmmm reading bash.org makes me want a cool nick |
| 19:42.22 | mark | well any piece of Z softaer could have a system("rm -rf /home/QtPalmtop"); |
| 19:42.24 | AndyQ | any suggestions (only non rude ones considered :) |
| 19:42.25 | tronical | AndyQ: bash.org rocks :) |
| 19:42.29 | AndyQ | yup |
| 19:42.50 | ljp_work | md5 are not really secure, cause if someone has malicious intent, they will change the md5 also |
| 19:43.26 | tronical | ljp_work: then they'd need to change the package index and hence the pgp signature on the index would mismatch |
| 19:43.49 | tronical | ljp_work: the idea is to sign the package index that holds the correct md5 sums |
| 19:43.59 | ljp_work | ahh.. ok |
| 19:44.03 | tronical | ljp_work: (and of course verify the md5sums from the index with the stuff you d/l) |
| 19:44.16 | tronical | should be lightweight enough, better than signing each package |
| 19:44.25 | JasonNJ | so screw it why dont we ditch ipkg and go debian pkg |
| 19:44.42 | JasonNJ | .deb |
| 19:44.57 | tronical | I wonder how good this udeb stuff is that is floating around on the debian servers |
| 19:45.12 | AndyQ | I agree (only coz I'm used to debian now I use synaptic :) |
| 19:45.25 | AndyQ | hmm - have to port that across if we did switch |
| 19:46.43 | ljp_work | too much overhead |
| 19:46.44 | AndyQ | bash.org quote: |
| 19:46.44 | AndyQ | <|YoShi|> FBI just came to my house |
| 19:46.44 | AndyQ | <Shorty> when they held up their fbi badge didn't u say somethng heroic |
| 19:46.44 | AndyQ | <|YoShi|> yeah i said, hold on let me get dressed |
| 19:46.47 | AndyQ | lol! |
| 19:47.26 | tronical | lol |
| 19:47.44 | Dessimat0r | *ahem* installing bash ;) |
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| 19:48.35 | jaz | hello |
| 19:50.17 | AndyQ | lol |
| 19:50.22 | Bovine | lol, nice |
| 19:50.36 | Bovine | almost worthy of bash.org :P |
| 19:50.45 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 19:50.49 | AndyQ | close....but not quite :) |
| 19:51.14 | Dessimat0r | whats up with the 'while (1) { line? it seems to generate a syntax error |
| 19:51.16 | tronical | #1069 is cool ;) |
| 19:51.24 | AndyQ | since I disconvered bash.org my work productivity (and that of about another 1/2 dozen or so) has gone down a little :) |
| 19:52.19 | chouimat | bahs.org? |
| 19:52.35 | Bovine | bash.org |
| 19:52.36 | AndyQ | lol |
| 19:52.36 | kergoth | Bovine: exactly, he reports the same problem that any package managemetn system has. its not a vulnerability |
| 19:52.39 | kergoth | Bovine: _but_ |
| 19:52.52 | kergoth | Bovine: he also mentions that ipkg doesnt have a md5sum checker to check the validity of a remote package |
| 19:53.04 | kergoth | Bovine: which is a valid point, said package could have been altered |
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| 19:53.16 | AndyQ | hey aman |
| 19:53.16 | kergoth | yo aman |
| 19:53.21 | Dessimat0r | lo |
| 19:53.22 | aman | sup |
| 19:53.22 | aman | whats new |
| 19:53.32 | Bovine | hmm, not all do either. Most will prompt you before running scripts root (e.g. Solaris). |
| 19:53.45 | AndyQ | #15641 made me laugh :) |
| 19:53.55 | tronical | Bovine: what does promting with 'do you want to run the csripts' help? |
| 19:54.01 | aman | where is noda |
| 19:54.17 | Bovine | tronical: it doesn't but it's a warning :) |
| 19:54.22 | tronical | AndyQ: hehe |
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| 19:54.27 | Dilb | hi |
| 19:54.27 | tronical | Bovine: and everyone is going to ignore it :) |
| 19:54.36 | Bovine | tronical: yeah, but you do have a choice :P |
| 19:54.45 | tronical | great security :) |
| 19:54.46 | tronical | moin Dilb |
| 19:55.19 | Bovine | tronical: great way to palm of responsibily onto the admin and not the vendor :P |
| 19:55.25 | tronical | hehe |
| 19:55.40 | aman | tronical, kergoth: how is the TS |
| 19:56.42 | kergoth | tronical: ah yes, -a arm and -t elf32-arm would help :) |
| 19:56.56 | kergoth | aman: well, something is still up with the values we're getting. they're off. |
| 19:57.10 | kergoth | aman: compared the values in opie calibration from 2.4.6 to 2.4.19, there are discrepencies |
| 19:57.12 | AndyQ | yeah - they haven't washed in like 2 weeks! |
| 19:57.31 | aman | kergoth: joy |
| 19:57.31 | tronical | kergoth: Error (Oops_bfd_perror): /tmp/ksymoops.gNT4gF Invalid bfd target (that it says, within all the rest) |
| 19:57.40 | kergoth | tronical: hmm wtf |
| 19:58.23 | aman | anyone know how to setup awstats/webalizer for multiple domains/virtualhosts/accesslogs/whatever easily? |
| 19:58.28 | kergoth | tronical: shit, our libbfd doesnt look like it supports that target.. wtf |
| 19:59.01 | kergoth | tronical: guess we need a cross-ksymoops build eh? |
| 19:59.28 | kergoth | tronical: well even so, the resolution of the symbols to functions is correct, so i at least have some idea as to where it crashes |
| 19:59.30 | tronical | kergoth: looks like. but meanwhile I got the cf mounted and flashed .6, so going on with that ;) |
| 19:59.34 | kergoth | tronical: great |
| 20:00.26 | kergoth | aman: tronical reproduced your pcmcia oops |
| 20:00.32 | aman | kergoth: that's good |
| 20:00.33 | aman | or bad.. |
| 20:00.33 | kergoth | aman: I'll look into it today |
| 20:00.36 | aman | k |
| 20:03.15 | tronical | kergoth: btw, do you know what the cal_ok boolean (in conjunction with that magic ioctl) is good for in .6? |
| 20:03.20 | tronical | kergoth: is anyone calling that ioctl? |
| 20:03.39 | tronical | kergoth: it looks like a calibration thingy, but still strange |
| 20:03.48 | kergoth | tronical: yes, i thought it was strange as well |
| 20:03.53 | kergoth | tronical: calibration doesnt belong in kernel space :) |
| 20:04.10 | kergoth | tronical: afaik no one uses it |
| 20:04.16 | kergoth | tronical: just more lineo insanity |
| 20:04.26 | tronical | hehe |
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| 20:12.54 | agupta | sup |
| 20:14.30 | JasonNJ | interesting series of announcements by montavista at CES |
| 20:14.47 | JasonNJ | I doubt they have any more clue on how to build a device distro any more than lineo did though |
| 20:15.25 | JasonNJ | It looks to me that they are just trying to take lineo's place more than anything else |
| 20:15.39 | JasonNJ | I dont think they have anything tangible |
| 20:15.56 | agupta | oh joy |
| 20:15.59 | agupta | more shitty coders |
| 20:16.08 | JasonNJ | exactly |
| 20:16.26 | kergoth | tronical: hey spiffy, i have a ksymoops that supports -a arm now :) |
| 20:16.36 | agupta | kergoth sweet, where'd you get it |
| 20:16.42 | kergoth | agupta: built it |
| 20:16.48 | kergoth | agupta: buildroot has a cross-ksymoops build now |
| 20:16.50 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:16.54 | JasonNJ | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5870024272.html |
| 20:17.21 | agupta | fun |
| 20:17.37 | tronical | kergoth: cool |
| 20:17.54 | JasonNJ | sounds like OZ has more to offer than this thing does |
| 20:18.04 | JasonNJ | doesnt sound very well integrated |
| 20:18.45 | agupta | oz needs to go commercial |
| 20:18.52 | JasonNJ | agupta: yes |
| 20:19.12 | TheMasterMind1 | we're waiting for opie to release i think |
| 20:19.18 | JasonNJ | but.. gimme a month to reopen that discussion :) |
| 20:19.22 | JasonNJ | talk to kergoth :) |
| 20:19.41 | TheMasterMind1 | i have |
| 20:19.49 | TheMasterMind1 | briefly |
| 20:20.11 | JasonNJ | ixnay on the iscussionay emporarilytay |
| 20:20.35 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:21.10 | kergoth | tronical: got numbers. I grabbed both in kernel as added to the ts event list, and numbers as opie calibrate sees them |
| 20:21.52 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:23.02 | tronical | kergoth: excellent. my .6 kernel just finished, reflashing now |
| 20:24.09 | JasonNJ | the problem with montavista is they will NEVER get the mindshare of the OSS developers |
| 20:24.16 | JasonNJ | because they will have the same exact problems of lineo |
| 20:24.18 | kergoth | tronical: k. you're getting numbers prior to the off/slope tranformation right? |
| 20:24.32 | JasonNJ | and as we have learned, without mindshare you have jack shit |
| 20:24.44 | kergoth | indeed |
| 20:24.44 | tronical | kergoth: yep |
| 20:24.52 | kergoth | tronical: good good. |
| 20:25.35 | kergoth | tronical: interesting thing, one of the samples shows overlap with the samples from the opposite end the display.. numbers flucuate greatly. i wonder if thatst he case in 2.4.6 or not :) |
| 20:25.54 | JasonNJ | if OpenZaurus.. or a company derived from the work that has been done for OZ and OPIE were to be formed, it would need to maintain the respect of the existing Zaurus and OSS developer base |
| 20:26.13 | JasonNJ | which means the balance of the product would have to be OSS |
| 20:26.31 | kergoth | absolutely. |
| 20:27.02 | JasonNJ | this means that a revenue model would have to be based on something very similar to Redhats |
| 20:27.44 | JasonNJ | and also should be based on providing services and custom coding |
| 20:27.50 | JasonNJ | and application sales and design |
| 20:28.23 | JasonNJ | montavista, lineo and all the others who have come to the plate so far have not, and cannot do any of those things |
| 20:29.03 | JasonNJ | because they do not grasp the essentials of what is required to succeed in the opensource and linux business |
| 20:29.45 | JasonNJ | the software has no value without the brains to support it |
| 20:30.10 | JasonNJ | this has effectively been the problem with every company to date that has attempted a linux PDA |
| 20:30.31 | JasonNJ | or really, any linux company to date that has failed |
| 20:30.49 | tronical | kergoth: okay, got the numbers. http://www10.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~simon/tmp/calib.txt |
| 20:31.08 | icefox | what are those? |
| 20:31.27 | kergoth | tronical: yep, 2.4.19's numbers are off the wall |
| 20:31.46 | tronical | kergoth: it's the output of printk( "KERN_DEBUG collie coordinates: %i / %i\n", out.x, out.y ); added at line 689 in ucbts1200_ts.c |
| 20:31.50 | kergoth | tronical: time to review in detail the ifdef'd collie pieces of the 2.4.6 vs 2.4.19 drivers.. among other things.. |
| 20:31.52 | tronical | kergoth: aha! |
| 20:31.56 | JasonNJ | these numbers are the calibration extremes for the digitizer? |
| 20:32.09 | kergoth | tronical: finally. now we know, our tslib and qt work is all well and good, its just the driver :) |
| 20:32.19 | tronical | kergoth: yeah, at least a little success! |
| 20:32.25 | kergoth | JasonNJ: not hte extremes, the numbers obtained by running through a calibration in opie |
| 20:32.28 | kergoth | tronical: exactly. progress. |
| 20:32.56 | JasonNJ | why did we completely have to rewrite the touchscreen stuff? |
| 20:32.58 | kergoth | :) i would if i wasnt at work |
| 20:33.01 | kergoth | JasonNJ: we didnt |
| 20:33.10 | kergoth | JasonNJ: rmk rewrote the core ucb1x00 code that we rely on between 24..6 and 2.4.19 |
| 20:33.21 | kergoth | JasonNJ: we just adapted the Z specific bits to work in the new code |
| 20:33.21 | JasonNJ | oh. |
| 20:33.27 | kergoth | its a consequence of the rewrite |
| 20:33.33 | JasonNJ | the ucb1x100 is the lcd driver? |
| 20:33.51 | JasonNJ | or the ts driver |
| 20:34.11 | kergoth | ucb1x00 is the core code that controls the tc35143af chip |
| 20:34.25 | kergoth | which involves battery status, touchscreen, and some other bits as well |
| 20:34.27 | JasonNJ | the toshiba cotroller? |
| 20:34.31 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:34.44 | kergoth | we use the ucb1x00 driver to talk to it, because its so similar to the actual philips ucb1x00 chips |
| 20:34.48 | kergoth | which is what lineo did in 2.4.6 |
| 20:34.50 | JasonNJ | oh yeah that thing |
| 20:37.07 | kergoth | so rmk rewrote all that code, we're making the necessary adaptations to it |
| 20:37.11 | kergoth | and obviously something changed |
| 20:37.13 | kergoth | time to figure out what |
| 20:37.40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:37.41 | kergoth | me too |
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| 20:40.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:41.14 | tux_mike | hmmm |
| 20:41.20 | kergoth | it looks like instead of writing to a register to set the pressure mode switch, tc35143af sets a GPIO high/low to do the same thing |
| 20:41.32 | kergoth | other than that.. i'm not seeing many differences that should affect us.. |
| 20:41.33 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:41.37 | tux_mike | i wonder if there's an easy way to run mozilla plugins remotely |
| 20:41.40 | kergoth | hey, i should test it without adsync |
| 20:41.41 | kergoth | just for shits |
| 20:41.49 | AndyQ | why not |
| 20:42.25 | tronical | AndyQ: bash.org/?latest has a few cool ones ;) |
| 20:43.17 | AndyQ | yeah - seen them - there is a fantastic one around (can't remember the number) but if you come across one about a cat and a one-eyed parrot - its sooooo funny :) |
| 20:44.38 | AndyQ | :) |
| 20:45.22 | kergoth | tronical: hah, I found a discrepency, but its with regard to _pressure_, not xy.. :( |
| 20:45.36 | JasonNJ | I am getting way too much porno spam at work |
| 20:45.51 | Dessimat0r | Kergoth: what is the command to make a screenshot using /dev/fb0? |
| 20:46.00 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: cat? |
| 20:46.05 | tronical | AndyQ: in fact http://www.bash.org/?search=parrot&sort=0&show=25 brings up three very funny ones ;) |
| 20:46.13 | AndyQ | JasonNJ: yeah - I've started getting stuff about 'would you like to see xxxx sucking a huge donkey cock?' |
| 20:46.18 | tronical | kergoth: ahh, cool |
| 20:46.26 | Dessimat0r | hmm, trying that, but its bring up blank pics when lookign at them in image viewer |
| 20:46.33 | JasonNJ | Andy: the problem is, its NEVER what they say it is |
| 20:46.36 | AndyQ | I wouldn't anyway but especially not at work! |
| 20:46.46 | JasonNJ | if it REALLY was what they said it was I would have no problem |
| 20:46.54 | JasonNJ | I want truth in porn advertising |
| 20:47.01 | AndyQ | JasonNJ: never bothered to look - just hit the delete key - its getting a right pain - I get about 100 a day at the moment |
| 20:47.10 | AndyQ | I never open spam |
| 20:47.13 | AndyQ | ever ever ever |
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| 20:47.21 | JasonNJ | if they say they got pics of britney sucking a donkey cock, I WANT PRODUCT SATISFACTION |
| 20:47.22 | AndyQ | kergoth: we use crappy Lotus Notes |
| 20:47.26 | JasonNJ | I want the real deal! |
| 20:47.29 | AndyQ | no spam filters there :( |
| 20:47.32 | AndyQ | JasonNJ: lol |
| 20:47.38 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:48.00 | tronical | heh |
| 20:48.14 | JasonNJ | the porn stuff aint so bad, its the damn nigerians |
| 20:49.09 | JasonNJ | "HELLO MY NAME IS DESMOND MUNUTU, I AM THE SON OF THE EXILED LEADER OF UPPER NAMIBIA. PLEASE SEND SIX MILLION DOLLARS IN CASH AND ..." |
| 20:49.22 | james_lan | anyone know off the top of their head the webtv/tuxscreen ir keyboard driver is working?, I have been busy with other things. |
| 20:49.26 | chouimat|nap | JasonNJ: why? too much young sluths trying to reach you? |
| 20:49.36 | AndyQ | JasonNJ: WHAT - you means its not a genuine offer????? |
| 20:50.17 | JasonNJ | I think we should name this kernel Ziagra |
| 20:50.48 | AndyQ | yup |
| 20:50.51 | AndyQ | sounds good to me |
| 20:51.03 | AndyQ | keeps you up half the night :) |
| 20:51.07 | JasonNJ | New OZ 3.1 with the Ziagra kernel! |
| 20:51.12 | AndyQ | playing with it |
| 20:51.18 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 20:51.19 | mark | AndyQ: hehe |
| 20:51.34 | JasonNJ | show a pic with Pingi packin serious wood |
| 20:52.11 | tux_mike | ... eep |
| 20:52.35 | JasonNJ | now you know why Sharp doesnt have me working in marketing |
| 20:52.44 | tux_mike | yes |
| 20:52.47 | tux_mike | that'd be bad |
| 20:52.53 | tux_mike | the Z would flop |
| 20:52.55 | AndyQ | lol |
| 20:52.56 | chouimat|nap | JasonNJ: " Openzaurus puts balls in computing" |
| 20:55.05 | james_lan | kergoth, themastermind1: any progress on mmc/sd for .19? |
| 20:59.23 | Dessimat0r | OpenZaurus kicks PocketPC in the nuts, then runs away laughing. |
| 21:00.46 | kergoth | james_lan: 'progress'? its all pending sharp. Theres nothing I can do atm |
| 21:00.59 | kergoth | james_lan: though, i can fix the suprious interrupts aman saw trying to use the exissting binary module in 2.4.19 |
| 21:02.45 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:02.45 | kergoth | odd |
| 21:03.04 | kergoth | tronical: it sets the irq edge of the gpio to falling at a certain point, but rising every other time, in thie 2.4.6 driver |
| 21:03.08 | kergoth | tronical: odd |
| 21:03.57 | tronical | kergoth: does that pin control triggering of the irq? |
| 21:04.20 | james_lan | kergoth: ugly, but it works fine? |
| 21:04.49 | chouimat | JasonNJ: can we have the locomo doc please |
| 21:05.16 | kergoth | tronical: yeah. nevermind, the falling was for the TS/TR0 development models of collie, doesnt apply to us |
| 21:05.19 | kergoth | james_lan: eh? |
| 21:05.22 | kergoth | james_lan: i never claimed it worked. |
| 21:05.37 | kergoth | james_lan: i said aman was seeing problems, and i could fix the first problem he saw. that doesnt imply we wont see more. |
| 21:05.49 | tronical | kergoth: ah |
| 21:06.24 | james_lan | ok, sorry, reading too much into it. |
| 21:06.46 | kergoth | tronical: god that 2.4.6 driver is ugly isnt it |
| 21:07.26 | tronical | kergoth: even more surprising it works :) |
| 21:07.39 | james_lan | see you all later |
| 21:08.18 | JasonNJ | chou: keep smoking that crack |
| 21:08.29 | kergoth | tronical: geh, i wonder if its something in the ucb core code thats affecting us.. except that the ADC reads for the battery work just fine.. |
| 21:08.37 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hehe |
| 21:08.52 | kergoth | JasonNJ: seriously though, if i had locomo docs, I could likely port the ipaq mmc driver, which would be something at least |
| 21:09.09 | JasonNJ | I dont think we are EVER gonna see teh locomo docs |
| 21:09.15 | kergoth | yeah, i dont think so either |
| 21:09.17 | kergoth | but hey |
| 21:09.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:09.21 | kergoth | fuckers |
| 21:09.34 | JasonNJ | we wont ever see docs because THERE ARE NO DOCS |
| 21:09.44 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:09.53 | kergoth | someone, somewhere, knows exactly how to manipulate those registers |
| 21:09.57 | kergoth | cause they wrote the code :) |
| 21:10.10 | mark | chouimat: get me one too please |
| 21:10.14 | JasonNJ | yes but I betcha he dont speaky good englishu |
| 21:10.19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:10.20 | kergoth | good point |
| 21:10.30 | kergoth | but he had to have some form of documentation on the chip |
| 21:10.38 | chouimat | JasonNJ: but we can find someone to translate it |
| 21:10.39 | kergoth | because it wasnt the same guy who designed the chip as who'se coding fo rit |
| 21:10.55 | kergoth | there _must_ be some form of documetnation, even if its shitty |
| 21:10.59 | JasonNJ | well, we dont know that for sure |
| 21:11.09 | JasonNJ | you would be surprised at how things work in Nara |
| 21:11.25 | kergoth | you're telling me it was voice communication between the hardware folks at sharp and the devel at lineo? |
| 21:11.34 | kergoth | cause if so, thats a fucking joke |
| 21:11.38 | JasonNJ | I dont think lineo wrote em |
| 21:11.44 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:11.45 | kergoth | even so |
| 21:11.55 | tronical | kergoth: is the pressure oddity you found the IODAT_HIGH/LOW inconsistency? |
| 21:11.58 | JasonNJ | lineo Japan wrote em and I think they actually went onsite at sharp to write the driver with the engineer |
| 21:12.02 | chouimat | kergoth: if the doc is like the code ...... |
| 21:12.24 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe |
| 21:12.37 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.37 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.39 | JasonNJ | kergoth nothing they do over there makes sense |
| 21:12.46 | kergoth | good point |
| 21:13.06 | JasonNJ | if BZflag is clueless then who the fuck actually knows |
| 21:13.15 | JasonNJ | BZflag was SUPPOSED to know |
| 21:13.23 | mark | chouimat: its a marvel |
| 21:13.57 | kergoth | tronical: nope, we're setting it high/low peroperly. ucb1x00_io_write's second argument is what pins to set, third is what pins to clear (i.e. high/low) |
| 21:14.22 | kergoth | tronical: in fact, i was mistaken. there is no discrepency. I cant find a problem. |
| 21:14.31 | tronical | kergoth: ahh |
| 21:14.56 | kergoth | tronical: unless it needs something else .. /me checks documentation |
| 21:15.00 | tronical | kergoth: where does the new code set that, btw? |
| 21:15.21 | kergoth | tronical: ucb1x00_ts_read_pressure() |
| 21:15.29 | kergoth | tronical: "switch to pressure mode, and read pressure" |
| 21:15.50 | kergoth | TC35143_GPIO_TBL_CHK appears to be how we switch to pressure mode |
| 21:16.11 | tronical | kergoth: I mean the IODAT_HIGH/LOW thing. or is that not necessary anymore? |
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| 21:16.53 | kergoth | tronical: IODAT_HIGH means setting the pin, IODAT_LOW means clearing it |
| 21:17.05 | kergoth | tronical: ucb1x00_io_write does that, sets/clears the value on the GPIO pin |
| 21:17.22 | kergoth | tronical: high being set, low being clear. see ucb1x00_io_write comments in ucb1x00-core.c |
| 21:17.43 | tronical | kergoth: ahh (stupid me :) |
| 21:18.19 | JasonNJ | this is like that goofy movie I saw on history channel about the guys that broke the enigma code |
| 21:18.47 | JasonNJ | rather the guys who broke the japanese PURPLE code |
| 21:18.51 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:19.05 | tux_mike | purple code? |
| 21:19.11 | JasonNJ | yeah purple |
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| 21:19.24 | JasonNJ | japanese navy cypher |
| 21:19.29 | tux_mike | well, maybe if they didn't pick purple, it wouldn't have been broken |
| 21:19.35 | JasonNJ | in wwii |
| 21:20.42 | Neo|Work | didn't they rather steal/retrieve and enigma cipher machine or something? |
| 21:20.54 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 21:21.05 | tux_mike | yah, that's how we got the enigma code |
| 21:21.09 | JasonNJ | http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/bpt/JapCDSCH1.html |
| 21:21.16 | mark | Neo|Work: iirc it wasnt a huge amount of use for some reason or another |
| 21:21.18 | Neo|Work | ah, you did change it to PURPLE what not |
| 21:21.25 | mark | was it the poles who got it? |
| 21:21.47 | JasonNJ | JN25 |
| 21:22.10 | JasonNJ | lol thats what we should call breaking locomo |
| 21:22.13 | JasonNJ | JN25 |
| 21:22.21 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:22.36 | kergoth | okay who wants to start writing random values to the SPI registers? ;) |
| 21:22.37 | JasonNJ | JN25.c |
| 21:23.02 | kergoth | GAH |
| 21:23.03 | kergoth | tronical: i dont get it |
| 21:23.06 | icefox | foo |
| 21:23.19 | icefox | MoooOo ooOoo |
| 21:23.44 | JasonNJ | sharp zaurus, circa 1942: http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/bpt/Jap8.jpg |
| 21:24.09 | mark | icefox: you seem to have two personas, one as benmeyer and a compeltely different one as icefox :) |
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| 21:25.01 | JasonNJ | http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/bpt/japcdsch2.html |
| 21:25.04 | JasonNJ | these are the purples |
| 21:25.20 | icefox | mark: yah that is me |
| 21:25.34 | icefox | mark: if I leave myself logged in at home I login as this |
| 21:25.50 | icefox | icefox was my original net handle |
| 21:25.52 | ljp_work | incognito |
| 21:25.57 | mark | icefox: i remember it well :) |
| 21:26.00 | JasonNJ | I need a cool net handle |
| 21:26.10 | AndyQ | me too |
| 21:26.16 | mark | me too |
| 21:26.26 | icefox | I like Roze |
| 21:26.34 | ljp_work | how about bozo1, bozo2, and bozo3 ? |
| 21:26.34 | icefox | my alter ego |
| 21:26.36 | AndyQ | lol |
| 21:26.40 | icefox | which when rearaged is zero |
| 21:26.51 | icefox | before 1 |
| 21:26.53 | icefox | whahahaha |
| 21:27.18 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 21:28.32 | JasonNJ | old habits die hard |
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| 21:29.00 | mark | well that was fun while it lasted |
| 21:29.14 | JasonNJ | back in the old apple II days I was Flopus Discus |
| 21:29.40 | phpCure | sup |
| 21:29.41 | kergoth | my first handle was anarch. then nimrais briefly, then kergoth. |
| 21:29.57 | phpCure | hmm |
| 21:30.04 | JasonNJ | I used redbeard for a while in college |
| 21:30.05 | phpCure | fudge |
| 21:30.08 | phpCure | i'm still logged in at school |
| 21:30.12 | AndyQ | i was nutter for a while then got bored of it |
| 21:30.15 | kergoth | phpCure: ts hates us :) |
| 21:30.22 | phpCure | hoso |
| 21:30.23 | phpCure | howso |
| 21:30.33 | tronical | kergoth: what I find interesting is that in the old driver I have the impression that reading the data always involves running through all the states (ordered) |
| 21:30.33 | Neo|Work | back in the good old days I was.. Well, NeoTron |
| 21:30.35 | mark | AndyQ: i was mark_ for about 3 years :) |
| 21:30.37 | kergoth | phpCure: the raw numbers being read are hosed |
| 21:30.40 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 21:30.41 | phpCure | heh |
| 21:30.42 | Neo|Work | and I still am so I guess that's good |
| 21:30.43 | phpCure | i love ssh |
| 21:30.48 | kergoth | tronical: indeed. given the ts_state++, its a logical sequence |
| 21:30.49 | tronical | kergoth: hm, forget it |
| 21:31.00 | kergoth | tronical: but if you follow _waht_ those states do, the same things happen here |
| 21:31.08 | kergoth | tronical: plus, we know the new ucb1x00 driver does owrk, just not for us :) |
| 21:31.24 | tronical | kergoth: yeah. just thought the chip knows about that order, but I overlooked that the chip gets informed about each state |
| 21:31.33 | Neo|Work | you talking about SD in w/ newer kernels or something? |
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| 21:31.42 | kergoth | Neo|Work: working on touchscreen atm |
| 21:31.55 | tronical | kergoth: what is X/Y_ADC_CHARGE, btw? |
| 21:32.03 | Neo|Work | aah |
| 21:32.09 | kergoth | tronical: i have no idea :) |
| 21:32.12 | kergoth | tronical: is it ever used? |
| 21:32.57 | tronical | kergoth: doesn't look like going through that state doesn't involve reading data |
| 21:33.06 | tronical | err |
| 21:33.09 | kergoth | tronical: er, too many doesnts? |
| 21:33.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:33.24 | tronical | looks like going through that state doesn't involve reading actual data, yes |
| 21:33.33 | kergoth | what does that state do? |
| 21:33.34 | tronical | I wonder why it's traversed though |
| 21:33.52 | tronical | hmm |
| 21:34.41 | kergoth | +#if !defined(CONFIG_COLLIE_TS) && !defined(CONFIG_COLLIE_TR0) |
| 21:34.41 | kergoth | + ts_state = P_ADC_CHARGE; |
| 21:34.41 | kergoth | +#else /* CONFIG_COLLIE_TS || CONFIG_COLLIE_TR0 */ |
| 21:34.41 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.41 | kergoth | +#endif |
| 21:34.44 | kergoth | ^^-odd |
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| 21:35.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:35.32 | tronical | kergoth: it looks like it's going through that CHARGE state every time it reads a coordinate value, like as if it was a requirement |
| 21:35.45 | tronical | kergoth: I can't find that charge stuff in the new driver at all |
| 21:36.00 | kergoth | tronical: start_adc .. but i have the impression the new api starts the adc elsewhere.. |
| 21:36.06 | kergoth | tronical: time to check core ucb1x00 code |
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| 21:37.11 | Neo|Work | when it gets working that is. :P |
| 21:37.20 | kergoth | tronical: it sets up ADC_START every time it does an adc read |
| 21:37.23 | kergoth | tronical: there goes that idea ;) |
| 21:37.59 | kergoth | Neo|Work: this is a much more sane, efficient driver after the rewrite |
| 21:37.59 | tronical | kergoth: not sure I undrestand? |
| 21:38.02 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i'm glad rmk did so |
| 21:38.18 | kergoth | tronical: every time it reads a value from the adc.. pressure, x, y, it sets up adc_start in the read function |
| 21:38.38 | kergoth | tronical: hence its not necessary in the ts driver.. its done in the core code |
| 21:39.12 | tronical | is there any? :) |
| 21:39.22 | kergoth | tronical: the charge states just call the adc_start function |
| 21:39.28 | kergoth | tronical: which sets the ADC_START bit in the control register |
| 21:39.55 | kergoth | tronical: now thats done in the read function. no explicit start states are necessary anymore |
| 21:40.00 | kergoth | tronical: so i'm completely out of ideas atm |
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| 21:40.49 | AndyQ | later guys |
| 21:40.53 | kergoth | later andy |
| 21:40.55 | kergoth | hey _ibz |
| 21:41.10 | _ibz | kergoth: ehlo |
| 21:42.07 | kergoth | wtf |
| 21:42.23 | _ibz | kergoth: i thought tim riker was writing an sd driver...is that no so anymore? |
| 21:42.24 | Neo|Work | 501 5.0.0 ehlo requires domain address |
| 21:42.27 | tronical | kergoth: what's about that collie define in ucb1200_generic.c (in start_adc) . of any relevance? |
| 21:42.38 | kergoth | tronical: thats a gross hack |
| 21:42.40 | tronical | (define += s) |
| 21:42.40 | kergoth | tronical: check this |
| 21:42.44 | tronical | ahh, heh |
| 21:42.45 | kergoth | tronical: that if reg & 0x0010 shit |
| 21:43.01 | tronical | yeah, that along with the delay, that's a hack? |
| 21:43.10 | kergoth | tronical: its checking if we're dealing with a certain adc channel.. if its on that one, it does use adsync, if its on the others it doesnt |
| 21:43.12 | tronical | (in the sense of not necessary in the new driver anymore?) |
| 21:43.21 | tronical | ohh |
| 21:43.25 | kergoth | tronical: yep. now we pass adsync enable/disable in the function call :) |
| 21:43.30 | kergoth | thats the hack i referred to earlier |
| 21:43.32 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:44.21 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:44.38 | kergoth | the sa1100_set_adc_sync function in ucb1200_sa1100.c in 2.4.6 is interesting |
| 21:45.13 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:45.21 | JasonNJ | lol now you get to find out how bad this code is |
| 21:45.28 | kergoth | tronical: the set adc sync function doesnt fucking do anything! |
| 21:45.46 | kergoth | tronical: /me disables the use of adcsync in our ts driver to test without it |
| 21:45.56 | tronical | heh |
| 21:46.40 | kergoth | JasonNJ: oh we've known for some time. this isnt the worst of it |
| 21:46.42 | kergoth | JasonNJ: not by far. |
| 21:47.26 | Neo|Work | one wonders.. why is it bad? |
| 21:47.45 | tronical | kergoth: ohh, now I see it |
| 21:47.47 | Neo|Work | I mean, incompetence, time constraints, lack of proper documentation.../ |
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| 21:47.52 | tronical | kergoth: that's.... remarkable! |
| 21:48.01 | kergoth | tronical: whats funny is, the hacks in start_adc are meaningless |
| 21:48.10 | kergoth | tronical: since it doesnt do anything anyway :) |
| 21:48.18 | tronical | heh |
| 21:48.56 | tronical | kergoth: ah, the lack of adcsync is what caused the endless loop for me earlier? |
| 21:49.00 | kergoth | Neo|Work: unreadable, numerous instances of unnecessarily complex code with far more layers of indirection than is necessary, numerous gross hacks rather than proper implementations, lack of comments, lack of docu, et cetera |
| 21:49.16 | tronical | plus wonderful magic numbers! :) |
| 21:49.18 | kergoth | tronical: the problem was enabling adcsync without enabling the actual signal |
| 21:49.22 | kergoth | hah yeah that too |
| 21:49.24 | tronical | kergoth: oh, I see |
| 21:49.31 | kergoth | tronical: that it used for syncronization |
| 21:49.39 | kergoth | hmm, brb |
| 21:49.48 | Neo|Work | kergoth: I was more wondering about the cause of this badness |
| 21:50.13 | Neo|Work | chouimat: it's available? |
| 21:50.26 | chouimat | ---...--- ---...--- |
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| 21:51.08 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.23 | Neo|Work | if not, I don't know what OSO stands for. :) |
| 21:51.32 | kergoth | tronical: bleh nevermind, i'm an idiot. it does enable adcsync on the tc35143af, just doesnt set up the pin it thought it used for it.. |
| 21:51.38 | chouimat | Neo|Work: I don't remember myt morse code :) |
| 21:51.44 | kergoth | tronical: I knew I shoudlnt have quit drinking coffee :) |
| 21:51.52 | tronical | hehe |
| 21:54.09 | icefox | man the Window Media Center "jitters" if you scroll through the menu's too fast. Whats up with that |
| 21:54.22 | chouimat | kergoth: start again |
| 21:54.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:55.12 | icefox | on a P42.4Ghz machine nonless... My TiVo with its 66mhz.... |
| 21:55.27 | Neo|Work | icefox: hint: "Windows" |
| 21:55.33 | icefox | haha they recomend not doing anything while it is recording |
| 21:55.34 | icefox | hahaha |
| 21:55.41 | Neo|Work | wtf? |
| 21:55.54 | icefox | jsut to make sure it gets the video all clean |
| 21:56.07 | Neo|Work | I can encode decent quality divx at 1.5-2.0 times real time on an Athlon 1.2 GHz |
| 21:57.08 | icefox | oh but the media center has hardware encoding too :-D |
| 21:57.30 | icefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.30 | icefox | hahaha |
| 21:59.13 | _ibz | any vim users in here? does syntax highlighting work? |
| 21:59.23 | kergoth | yep, works fine |
| 21:59.51 | _ibz | hmmmn...thanx. |
| 21:59.58 | kergoth | :syntax on |
| 21:59.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:00.14 | icefox | hey kergoth, got a chance to look at Code Complete? |
| 22:00.44 | TheMasterMind1 | ick |
| 22:00.47 | TheMasterMind1 | codecomplete? |
| 22:00.50 | TheMasterMind1 | i've seen that before |
| 22:00.52 | TheMasterMind1 | its crap |
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| 22:00.54 | icefox | yah, excellent book |
| 22:01.00 | icefox | why do you say it is crap? |
| 22:01.12 | kergoth | icefox: not yet, I'm reading the practice of programming atm, which i picked up as well |
| 22:01.23 | icefox | cool |
| 22:01.25 | kergoth | icefox: someone shoudlve donated a copy of this to lineo ;D |
| 22:01.31 | icefox | haha |
| 22:01.35 | icefox | any design book |
| 22:01.40 | chouimat | icefox: from whom? |
| 22:01.44 | kergoth | icefox: yep |
| 22:01.47 | TheMasterMind1 | icefox: oh, i thought you're talking about the software |
| 22:01.56 | icefox | Steve McConnell |
| 22:02.07 | icefox | no, book |
| 22:02.14 | chouimat | icefox: that desing book from M$ press |
| 22:02.17 | icefox | there is a software project called code complete? |
| 22:02.19 | icefox | yah |
| 22:02.40 | icefox | Steve McConnnel also has another book on design. Rapid Development. Good book too |
| 22:03.09 | icefox | just got Mithical Man month. Reading through that now |
| 22:03.51 | chouimat | icefox: bough the following book in Switzerland: embedded software development with ecos, embedded systems & computer architecture |
| 22:04.08 | icefox | is ecos still around? Did redhat drop it? |
| 22:04.11 | kergoth | chouimat: nice, let me know how they are |
| 22:04.19 | icefox | still should be a good book though |
| 22:04.29 | icefox | no matter what the topic you always learn something |
| 22:04.44 | kergoth | yep. hopefully enough to justify the cost of the book :) |
| 22:04.55 | icefox | indeed |
| 22:05.06 | icefox | I just buy more generic books |
| 22:05.08 | icefox | now |
| 22:05.31 | icefox | jsut gave away my qt2 book and my DirectX5 book |
| 22:05.33 | icefox | hehe |
| 22:05.50 | kergoth | yeah. the specifics you can learn by experience, though its often nice to have a reference for it |
| 22:06.06 | kergoth | but doc.trolltech.com satisfies that quite nicely, for qt anyway :) |
| 22:06.14 | chouimat | kergoth: the eCos one is a very good book. the second is a course, the author begin by showing the basic of digital computer (gate, flip flop) and he create a virtual cpu the G80 based on the z80 and do some basic computer with it (we got the emulator of the cpu and the componant on the cd) |
| 22:06.30 | icefox | and for that developers generally for that type of thing (toolkit) have better online docs and reading those types of books is only good the first time |
| 22:06.36 | icefox | i.e. I read code complete every year |
| 22:06.43 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:06.45 | kergoth | chouimat: ah nice |
| 22:06.47 | icefox | qt2 in 24 hours I will only read once |
| 22:06.56 | icefox | anyway off for home |
| 22:06.59 | kergoth | later ben |
| 22:07.13 | chouimat | icefox: I have Sommerville software engineering |
| 22:07.22 | mark | chouimat: what book is that? |
| 22:07.29 | chouimat | mark: which one? |
| 22:07.50 | mark | chouimat: the course showing the basics of digital computers.. creating virtual cpu.. |
| 22:09.03 | chouimat | mark: embedded systems & computer architecture by Graham Wilson (we can't have it in North America). http://www.bh.com/companions/0750650648 |
| 22:09.17 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 22:09.19 | kergoth | !@#%^ |
| 22:09.31 | chouimat | kergoth: ? |
| 22:09.34 | kergoth | ts |
| 22:09.51 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: can't have it? |
| 22:10.09 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: try on amazon, it's seen to be a british book |
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| 22:12.17 | _ | hey |
| 22:13.36 | kergoth | tronical: scale is all wrong. getting 350-700 for Y as opposed to your 200-850 for Y.. X scale is even farther off |
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| 22:13.55 | kergoth | tronical: disablign adcsync gives more consistent results, it just ends up consistently wrong :) |
| 22:14.33 | tronical | kergoth: hm, smells like a timing issue then? |
| 22:14.58 | kergoth | i honestly dont know at this point. |
| 22:15.45 | kergoth | tronical: where did you put those printks in 2.4.6? what line number? |
| 22:15.53 | gideon | i have a problem using kismet. |
| 22:16.01 | gideon | I can recieve packets, and it says there are 6 networks around me, but I see nothing in the results tab... what am I doing wrong? |
| 22:16.09 | tronical | kergoth: line 689 |
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| 22:16.41 | tronical | kergoth: printk( "KERN_DEBUG collie coordinates: %i / %i\n", out.x, out.y ); |
| 22:16.51 | tronical | kergoth: inserted it into the { .. } |
| 22:17.47 | kergoth | fuck |
| 22:18.01 | tronical | oh? |
| 22:18.03 | kergoth | tronical: haha, thats _after_ jitter correction and variance reduction! thats why the data is so consistent! |
| 22:18.14 | tronical | kergoth: ooooooops |
| 22:18.38 | chouimat | kergoth: what your language, there is youg ears in there |
| 22:19.26 | Neo|Work | and we all know youg ears are sensitive to written text. :)) |
| 22:19.41 | chouimat | Neo|Work: yup :)) |
| 22:20.21 | kergoth | tronical: in the state machine, when it gets released it does the correction |
| 22:20.33 | kergoth | tronical: move the printks to the beginning of new_data(), before the alterations |
| 22:21.10 | kergoth | tronical: it could be we just need to configure the variance module for tslib properly.. |
| 22:21.20 | kergoth | brb |
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| 22:22.04 | tronical | kergoth: which line exactly should I put it? |
| 22:23.10 | kergoth | tronical: line 392. printk(KERN_DEBUG "collie coordinates: %i / %i, pres = %i", cur_data.x, cur_data.y, cur_data.pressure); |
| 22:23.32 | Neo|Work | it has pressure variance too? |
| 22:23.50 | kergoth | Neo|Work: yeah, though qt doesnt pass the pressure anywhere. its only used to detect press/release atm |
| 22:24.03 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i'd like to see drawpad take advantage of pressure info :) |
| 22:24.49 | tronical | kergoth: okay, compiling. |
| 22:24.52 | kergoth | tronical: thanks |
| 22:25.09 | kergoth | tronical: here's hoping our numbers at the lowest level are identical and its just a tslib config thing :) |
| 22:25.40 | Neo|Work | kergoth: that's what I was thinking - would be nice to have. :) |
| 22:26.59 | [DrEvil] | why do I subconciously always give the z switch to tar |
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| 22:27.20 | mark | [DrEvil]: me too |
| 22:28.35 | [DrEvil] | it sucks when I am messing about with the tar files in the sharp rom |
| 22:29.03 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: yeah, it took me a while to get used to tar xvf when manipulating those |
| 22:29.55 | [DrEvil] | I have been lax with EvilROM |
| 22:29.55 | [DrEvil] | busy with work and all |
| 22:29.55 | [DrEvil] | now I am putting Affix in |
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| 22:37.04 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: so is low level data the same? |
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| 22:38.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: waiting for results from tronical |
| 22:39.10 | TheMasterMind1 | tronical: results? |
| 22:39.16 | tronical | kergoth: just noticed I forgot the \n . too lazy to split up the output. recompiling :) |
| 22:39.28 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 22:43.08 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:43.09 | kergoth | k |
| 22:43.11 | tlv | hi there |
| 22:43.19 | kergoth | hey tlv |
| 22:43.20 | TheMasterMind1 | i found 32mb ram for my webpal! yay! |
| 22:43.38 | tlv | could you please add an option to turn off the display completely in one of the next oz releases? |
| 22:43.50 | tlv | like the blind applet does... |
| 22:44.06 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, submit an opie feature request for light and power |
| 22:44.07 | TheMasterMind1 | or some such |
| 22:44.18 | tlv | oh |
| 22:44.29 | tlv | ok |
| 22:44.34 | kergoth | tlv: opie.info/bugs/ |
| 22:44.46 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: when you install affix into OZ, does it make /dev/bt* or /dev/bty* |
| 22:45.02 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: no, you'll want the latest oz-base as well, which includes the devices |
| 22:45.11 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: our /dev is a ramdisk. if it created them they'd be lost on reboot |
| 22:45.51 | [DrEvil] | what devices does it use? |
| 22:45.57 | tlv | i'm just tweaking the blind-applet to do that for me but as i'm not used to low level programming i don't quite know how to handle ioctls... |
| 22:45.58 | tronical | kergoth: okay. http://www10.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~simon/tmp/calib2.txt |
| 22:46.06 | kergoth | I dont know. i just know they're in the latest oz-base |
| 22:46.12 | tlv | how do i read an ioctl? |
| 22:46.13 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 22:46.15 | kergoth | i dont have a bt card myself |
| 22:46.18 | kergoth | tlv: man ioctl |
| 22:46.25 | tlv | i did that ;) |
| 22:46.39 | kergoth | tlv: read it :) |
| 22:46.52 | tlv | i can change it (e.g. turn it off) but not check whether it is off already or not |
| 22:47.27 | kergoth | tlv: there must be a seperate ioctl for checking of state. read the header file for the device in question |
| 22:47.31 | kergoth | tronical: damnit |
| 22:47.41 | kergoth | tronical: wow, look at those pressure values.. |
| 22:47.49 | kergoth | tronical: we're getting like 0-13 for pressure in 2.4.19 |
| 22:47.52 | kergoth | tronical: something is seriously odd |
| 22:48.13 | tronical | kergoth: eek |
| 22:48.13 | tlv | kergoth: ok, thanks i'll do that... |
| 22:49.34 | tlv | TheMasterMind1: opie.info/bugs/ doesn't seem to work... |
| 22:50.14 | kergoth | tlv: looks like opie.info is down |
| 22:50.47 | tlv | kergoth: yes, the traceroute runs into nothing... |
| 22:51.25 | TheMasterMind1 | so, is the data the same? |
| 22:52.24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: does yours match tronical's ? |
| 22:53.11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nowhere near |
| 22:53.42 | kergoth | tronical: found an actual bug in the pressure read, which could explain the way off pressure values. checking now |
| 22:54.00 | tlv | TheMasterMind1: is there a solution nearing regarding the sd-driver problem for the new oz-kernel yet? |
| 22:54.09 | tronical | kergoth: ahh, cool |
| 22:54.16 | tlv | TheMasterMind1: or do i have to switch to mmc? |
| 22:54.17 | kergoth | tlv: we await a response from sharp japan |
| 22:54.30 | kergoth | tlv: and without necessary specs, i cant even port the mmc driver |
| 22:54.45 | tlv | kergoth: hmm, thats odd... :( |
| 22:55.06 | tlv | kergoth: i have all my programmes on the sd-card |
| 22:55.29 | chouimat | kergoth: pay for them then :) |
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| 22:55.58 | chouimat | hey ciaolinux |
| 22:56.07 | ciaolinux | hi chouimat... finally back! :-) |
| 22:57.09 | chouimat | ciaolinux: brb my cat want me to do the litter |
| 22:57.31 | kergoth | tlv: odd, no. corporations being fucking stupid, yes. |
| 22:57.54 | tlv | kergoth: yes, you're right |
| 22:58.47 | tlv | kergoth: as i read, the kernel for the new sl-5600 won't help much either, because it has a completly different mmc controller... :( |
| 22:58.49 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: is AFE for Affix in the buildroot? |
| 22:59.57 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: not atm |
| 23:00.02 | kergoth | tlv: yes, thats correct |
| 23:02.02 | TheMasterMind1 | i think its time for another news update |
| 23:02.09 | TheMasterMind1 | what should i say.. |
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| 23:02.19 | kergoth | tronical: woot, pressure values are correctn ow |
| 23:02.22 | kergoth | tronical: :) |
| 23:02.30 | kergoth | tronical: ourse x/y are still off, but one step at a time eh |
| 23:02.42 | tronical | kergoth: yay :) |
| 23:02.59 | TheMasterMind1 | new kernel sources out on the 14th. wont' help us at all since its a xscale with a different mmc controller. we found the xscale doc for sd controlling, so oz on the sl-5600 should work pretty well. |
| 23:03.02 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:03.25 | kergoth | tronical: at release time, x/y get reset to 0 for some reason... |
| 23:03.28 | TheMasterMind1 | we've sent an email to sharp japan regarding the sd issue, no reply yet. dont' have enough docs to port the ipaq mmc driver |
| 23:03.45 | TheMasterMind1 | what else? |
| 23:03.52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep, do it. mention that ts is still underway |
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| 23:04.07 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: right, that too |
| 23:04.14 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: you can buy the sd specs for me? |
| 23:04.16 | tlv | kergoth/TheMasterMind1: will you keep "package-compatibility" (config files, etc.) with the old kernel in the new oz-releases, so that all sd/mmc-card users can at least go on using the old kernel? |
| 23:04.21 | kergoth | static inline void ucb1x00_ts_event_release(struct ucb1x00_ts *ts) |
| 23:04.22 | kergoth | { |
| 23:04.22 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.25 | kergoth | odd |
| 23:04.33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hehe |
| 23:04.43 | kergoth | it sets x/y to 0 on release |
| 23:04.46 | kergoth | thats kinda weird |
| 23:04.54 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, it is |
| 23:05.00 | kergoth | tronical: in your qt tslib patch, on release, do you push up the previous x/y, from the last press? |
| 23:05.02 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess it make sense kinda? |
| 23:05.05 | kergoth | tronical: or do you push new x/y values? |
| 23:06.38 | tronical | kergoth: the last values get used IIRC |
| 23:06.53 | kergoth | tronical: okay good, just checking :) |
| 23:07.02 | kergoth | tronical: since x/y of 0/0 wouldnt be good ;) |
| 23:07.09 | tronical | yeah ;-) |
| 23:07.35 | Neo|Work | TheMasterMind1: who did you contact at Sharp Japan? |
| 23:07.41 | kergoth | geh, after we finish this, I'll need to work on keyboard |
| 23:07.44 | kergoth | Neo|Work: mitchy |
| 23:08.05 | kergoth | Neo|Work: he's out for a week or so last i heard from jason, so it'll be a bit before we get a reply |
| 23:08.25 | Neo|Work | I think I got a mail yesterday or so from him |
| 23:10.21 | tlv | kergoth/TheMasterMind1: if there will be no solution to the sd/mmc-issue, will you keep "package-compatibility" (config files, etc.) with the old kernel in the forthcoming oz-releases, so that all sd/mmc-card users can at least go on using the old kernel? |
| 23:10.33 | kergoth | tlv: i heard you the first fucking time |
| 23:10.43 | tlv | kergoth: sorry |
| 23:10.50 | kergoth | tlv: and probably. certain packages like fstab _will_ be different, due to the use of devfs |
| 23:10.55 | kergoth | tlv: i'll see what i can do. |
| 23:11.37 | kergoth | kolla: whatd he do this time? ;) |
| 23:11.58 | kolla | it's not what he does as much as what he doesnt do :) |
| 23:12.04 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:12.08 | kergoth | awaiting the ppp module? |
| 23:12.12 | tlv | kergoth: thanks :) (and i didn't mean to offend you, i just thought my message was overseen in the whole touchscreen euphoria) |
| 23:12.16 | kolla | for example :) |
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| 23:12.43 | TheMasterMind1 | kolla: write it! |
| 23:13.02 | kolla | TheMasterMind1: I'm better at kicking butts really :) |
| 23:13.14 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:13.19 | kergoth | i'd write it if i had the time. theres nothing magic about ppp, there wouldnt be much to it |
| 23:14.47 | kolla | "We need to see an effort like we have never seen before... again!" |
| 23:16.56 | kolla | that was a quote actually, from the days of commodore.. |
| 23:17.08 | kolla | management addressing the amiga developer teams |
| 23:17.20 | kolla | who had been working around the clock for several weeks already |
| 23:17.49 | kolla | and it was followed by the most enginious... "we take you silence as a sign of aproval" |
| 23:17.59 | kolla | your |
| 23:18.10 | kolla | the people was too baffled to answer :) |
| 23:19.14 | kergoth | GRR |
| 23:19.25 | [DrEvil] | kergoth? |
| 23:19.31 | kergoth | yeah? |
| 23:20.03 | [DrEvil] | you put the grrrr in swinger baby |
| 23:20.51 | kergoth | you know it1 |
| 23:20.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:24.45 | MSpin | Just remember, programming is like sex, one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life |
| 23:24.59 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:30.26 | kergoth | haha |
| 23:30.30 | kergoth | tronical: thanks |
| 23:30.40 | kergoth | tronical: your mentioning the state machine and the order its in was a clue |
| 23:30.49 | tronical | oh? |
| 23:30.53 | kergoth | tronical: if i read pressure, then y, then x, the numbers are almost dead on.. not quite, but almost |
| 23:31.00 | kergoth | tronical: if i read x, then y, then pressure, bad bad bad |
| 23:31.20 | tronical | heh, strange |
| 23:31.31 | kergoth | very, it has to do with the way we read the pressure, i think |
| 23:31.41 | kergoth | when we read pressure seems to affect x/y |
| 23:31.45 | kergoth | for some reason |
| 23:32.18 | kergoth | hard to say really without tc35143af docs that are actually in english |
| 23:32.28 | kergoth | anyway, i still cant get past calibration :) |
| 23:32.34 | kergoth | but the numbers look much better |
| 23:33.17 | kergoth | yeah, they fluctuate more than yours |
| 23:35.09 | kergoth | looks like Y is pretty damn close |
| 23:35.11 | kergoth | X isnt quite there |
| 23:35.13 | kergoth | odd |
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| 23:39.00 | tronical | :} |
| 23:40.40 | tronical | kergoth: sounds even more like a timing issue then. much like as if the data isn't read fast enough it gets wrong |
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| 23:41.25 | kergoth | tronical: could very well be. what a nightmare |
| 23:41.53 | tronical | yeah :( |
| 23:43.14 | kergoth | isnt coding without documentation just _lovely_? |
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| 23:46.42 | tlv | bye |
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| 23:48.13 | Onyx4 | im back |
| 23:48.34 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
| 23:48.35 | kergoth | tronical: hey |
| 23:48.36 | Onyx4 | did we ask bzflag from lineo to port an sd driver? |
| 23:48.38 | TheMasterMind1 | just thinking of telling you something |
| 23:48.42 | kergoth | Onyx4: um |
| 23:48.44 | Onyx4 | or we're asking sharp directly? |
| 23:48.44 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: he's no longer at lineo |
| 23:48.47 | kergoth | Onyx4: bzflag isnt with lineo. |
| 23:48.50 | kergoth | Onyx4: you're wayyy out of the loop |
| 23:48.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:48.53 | Onyx4 | hehe |
| 23:48.58 | Onyx4 | who's still there? |
| 23:49.02 | kergoth | tronical: ts_test works, but only when i disable the collie module! |
| 23:49.05 | kergoth | Onyx4: we have no contacts there. |
| 23:49.10 | kergoth | tronical: wtf |
| 23:49.26 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: hey, check out http://www.purple.dropbear.id.au/zaurus/ and make same adjustments to lirc if you get a chance :) and upgrade the unstable feed! |
| 23:49.33 | tronical | kergoth: ehh, that sounds.... almost wrong :) |
| 23:49.45 | Onyx4 | mmm so if sharp did an sd driver for 2.4.18 for the c700, we should be able to maybe obtain a module for 2.4.19? |
| 23:49.55 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: that's an xscale |
| 23:49.59 | TheMasterMind1 | with a different mmc controler |
| 23:50.03 | Onyx4 | arg |
| 23:50.28 | kergoth | tronical: yes, quite back asswards |
| 23:50.34 | kergoth | tronical: when i enable collie, it behaves reverse |
| 23:50.41 | kergoth | tronical: tapping upper left results in an X in lower right |
| 23:50.43 | kergoth | tronical: etc |
| 23:50.50 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:50.57 | TheMasterMind1 | so just get rid of all the ts code in collie/ |
| 23:51.29 | kergoth | tronical: do you actually understand what it is its doing in that module? cause I dont |
| 23:51.32 | kergoth | tronical: :) |
| 23:51.51 | kergoth | brb |
| 23:51.57 | tronical | kergoth: I don't understand the actual transformation (haven't looked at it closely, yet) |
| 23:51.58 | TheMasterMind1 | who wrote it? |
| 23:52.56 | tronical | noone knows for sure :) |
| 23:52.59 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: should I ask that guy for a patch against lirc 0.6.6 for his changes? |
| 23:53.04 | Onyx4 | and maybe feed them into OZ |
| 23:56.36 | kergoth | tronical: with collie module enabled, X values are _all_ over the map, totally hosed. Y values are _opposite_! top is 99/96, bottom is 841/864 |
| 23:57.16 | tronical | kergoth: ah, that explains the 1000 - thing, no? |
| 23:58.11 | dscordia | The downside of these systems is often the lack of a really flexible "timer recording" facility, and the manufacturers' tendencies to implement new ways of imposing advertisements on the viewer (since it would become too easy to skip the commercial breaks). They also don't support what one would expect to come natural with digital recording: on-disk editing. And finally they won't let you get access to the actual recorded digital data (for ins |
| 23:58.17 | dscordia | doh crap |
| 23:58.23 | dscordia | sorry folks...errant click |
| 23:58.24 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: ok I wrote an email to the guy |
| 23:58.28 | kergoth | tronical: fraid not |
| 23:58.37 | kergoth | tronical: i'm looking at numbers in opie's calibration |
| 23:58.53 | kergoth | tronical errr actually, now i'm not sure which qt i'm using, yours or mine :) |
| 23:58.59 | tronical | hehe |
| 23:59.40 | kergoth | speaking of which, did you ever take a look at my minimal patch? |
| 23:59.49 | kergoth | (too minimal it turns out, since i forgot the 1000 - :) |
