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00:01.37*** join/#openzaurus bhsx (~Bobby@12-249-28-171.client.attbi.com)
00:02.05bhsxok...  just because of stability issues, i'm switching back to sharp's rom, just temporarily
00:02.29bhsxbut now openzaurus.org is down and i can't get the 32/32 image so that i can put back the origibal sharp rom
00:02.31bhsx:(
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00:02.44kergothum
00:02.49kergoththe original sharp rom isnt on openzaurus.org
00:02.53bhsxi know
00:03.00kergothyou dont need 32/32 to flash sharp
00:03.02Neo|Workkergoth: what is tslib?
00:03.06bhsxbut you need at least 16MB free of internal storage
00:03.09kergothsharp's ospack includes both kernel and rootfs
00:03.12Neo|WorkI mean a library as in .so or a kernel module or what?
00:03.15bhsxi only have 12 atm
00:03.24kergothbhsx: you can flash sharp w/ cf same as oz
00:03.27kergothNeo|Work: library
00:03.30bhsxoh ok
00:03.36Neo|Workkergoth: so you need to patch qtopia as well?
00:03.38bhsxthanks
00:03.38kergothNeo|Work: pluginable library. linear calibration, jitter correction, etc
00:03.41Neo|Workor qte to be exact
00:03.45kergothNeo|Work: qt, yes. tronical and i have done so
00:03.58Neo|WorkI wonder if that improves performance
00:04.17kergothgood question. we're going to use it for both 2.4.6 and 2.4.19, i'll do some performance testing
00:04.19Neo|WorkI mean, qt already does jitter correction (well, averaging) and it STILL gets up to 180 or so mouse move events per second
00:04.28kergothyeah
00:07.18billytwowillyhmm. the website appears to be down..
00:07.28billytwowillyDB Error: connect failed
00:08.28bhsxkergoth: i found a file called OSPACK,  what do i do with it? or would you have an URL
00:08.29bhsx?
00:09.20kergothbhsx: you can actually drop tht onto the CF and flash, but I'd actually recommend ripping it apart with romburst and flashing its initrd.bin and zImage as you flash OZ.
00:09.29kergothbhsx: s/as you flash OZ/as you would flash OZ?;
00:10.16TheMasterMind1hmm
00:10.43bhsxk, great, thanks... i have romburst, i'll try that first
00:16.55kergothgrr!
00:16.56kergothhmm
00:17.59Dessimat0rhas the unstable feed been updated yet? ;)
00:18.04TheMasterMind1no
00:18.06Dessimat0rah
00:18.06Dessimat0rk
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00:22.14kergothanyone know what causes a floating point exception?
00:22.21kergothheh
00:22.46Dessimat0rfloating point exaception.. hmm..
00:22.54Dessimat0r*exception ;)
00:26.51_ibzi may be stating the obvious but...at a guess, division by zero, overflows etc...
00:27.24kergothyeah, thats what id say as well. odd. guess opie's calibrator need ssome sanity checks on the data :)
00:27.35MSpinmore than likely a div by zero
00:27.47MSpinor maybe some funky trig
00:27.53rasterkergoth: x / 0
00:28.13kergothyeah, thanks guys
00:28.46_ibzman signal. SIGFPE
00:31.30rastergenberalyl divide by zero
00:31.40rasteror sometimes doing artih ops with a NaN
00:31.40kergothNeo|Work: you have an app/game that shows  the framerate so i cna test during ts press? i own candry cruncher and bust'em, a debug version of one of those would suffice
00:32.03Neo|WorkI suggest rocketelite demo.
00:32.15Neo|Workwhat else do I have..
00:32.16Neo|Workhmm
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00:32.32Neo|Workoh, MSR can show it too if you enable the "console" :)
00:32.53Neo|Workditto with bustem but the console isn't accessible
00:33.08kergothNeo|Work: gotcha. k
00:34.43hardwirenaughtyalex
00:34.50bhsxthanks for all the help... i'll have to check it out when 3.1 is stable
00:34.51*** part/#openzaurus bhsx (~Bobby@12-249-28-171.client.attbi.com)
00:35.01Neo|Workok, in MSR, hold stylus at bottom right corner and press a button
00:35.10Neo|Workthen tap on the little "tab" in the upper right corner
00:41.28ljpblah
00:42.29TheMasterMind1kergoth: any luck?
00:43.28kergothTheMasterMind1: well, the bug in ts_read_raw is fixed.. variance does seem to absorb extraneous events now
00:43.43kergothTheMasterMind1: X values are still varying too much, generally varying in some relationship to Y.. i dont get it
00:45.16kergothTheMasterMind1: only thing that sucks is, the kernel driver only seems to ever have a single event pending by the time user space responds to that.. we never end up getting mor ethan a single sample from the kernel
00:45.24kergothTheMasterMind1: so variance cant really do its job
00:45.28kergothTheMasterMind1: i doubt jitter can either
00:45.32kergothnot sure how to deal with that
00:46.53Dessimat0rwho would have thought that dealing with touchscreen drivers could be so much work? lol
00:47.13kergothits not all that difficult really
00:47.20kergothcept for this elusive bug
00:47.23Dessimat0rah
00:47.32kergothbit more complex than you may ahve thought tho :)
00:47.34kergothhmm
00:47.35Dessimat0rheh
00:49.10kergothhmm
00:49.14Dessimat0rgets data on spot that was pressed, matches each part of the touched bit to pixels on the real screen, works out the pixel in which the most pressure was applied, then does a lmb click event for those co-ordiantes? ;)
00:49.29kergothheh
00:49.54kergothfirst, doing the pixel-> screen coords is more complex due to needing to apply a transformation based on stored magic numbers in flash
00:50.10Dessimat0rmagic numbers? what are those for?
00:50.10kergothsecond, we have no docs on the hardware for which the driver operates
00:50.11Dessimat0rlol
00:50.50Dessimat0rare they like 'hard written' from when the unit was created?
00:50.53kergothand third, we need variance, jitter correction, etc, and we need to ensure we dont generate an excess of mouse move events
00:50.57kergothDessimat0r: yep
00:51.00Dessimat0rlike they tested the touchscreen for its params
00:51.02Dessimat0rah
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01:15.10*** join/#openzaurus troffasky (~alex@pc-80-194-224-49-ny.blueyonder.co.uk)
01:26.22ljpwhats a touchscreen?
01:30.37ljpwell?!
01:30.45ljpwake up!
01:30.50Neo|Workis that a serious question?
01:31.07ljpheh yes
01:31.25ljpno, just trying to get someone awake
01:31.46Neo|Workheh
01:31.55ljpman, if they hire me, it'll be a miracle
01:32.32Neo|Workhow so?
01:32.42Neo|Workyou said how much they and windows sux0rs?
01:32.53ljpoh, I had an interview with a windows dev shop
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01:33.16Neo|Workright, I know that. :-P
01:33.44ljpbut I'll know soon. They want the hires to fly to Montanan next Thursday
01:33.51ljpMontana
01:34.14Neo|Workwhohoo. MONTANA! ;-P
01:34.22ljpjumping right into windows beta software would be tricky
01:34.27Neo|Workwell, good luck on that. you think the interview went badly tho?
01:35.00ljpnot badly, just not experienced in windows dev lately
01:35.49ljp"you get paid for Opie?"
01:36.05ljp"uhhhh, not yet"
01:36.50ljpeeeesch
01:37.11ljpI should have said, "ya they pay me $50,000/yr"
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01:37.48ciaolinuxljp: what are you supposed to do with windows?
01:38.16ljpoh, I interviewed for a co doing software for police and military
01:38.44ljpthey made like its embedded, but it runs windows xp
01:38.55badlhahah
01:39.00ljpwith hard drives and everything
01:54.24Neo|Workembedded with windows xp and harddrives?
01:54.28Neo|Workembedded in what? tanks?
01:56.20*** join/#openzaurus noda (~noda@modemcable136.245-202-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca)
01:56.24nodaMoo!
01:56.35badlmooooooooooooo!
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02:02.57*** join/#openzaurus MSpin (~MSpin@gw.mspin.net)
02:06.19ljpheh maybe
02:07.01ljpthey wouldnt tell me the top secret military part of their applications
02:10.49ljpwonder what Phoenix is going to be renamed
02:11.09jmhodgeshehehe
02:11.13ljp'flaming renewal creature with feathers and wings"
02:12.11ljpman this ch is dead
02:13.14smee|hbut will renew and soar into the air fierily soon?
02:14.29ljphow about 'browser that makes Mozilla look like an over bloated gorilla'
02:16.50smee|hlets write a fat gorilla mozilla theme
02:17.10Dessimat0rgn
02:18.36jmhodgeslol
02:19.28ljpmake the buttons twice as big as needed
02:19.47ljpso th ebuttons take up more space than the browser view
02:20.02smee|hhehe, most buttons are imho
02:25.32jmhodgeshmm...
02:25.41jmhodgeswhat the hell am i doing wrong here
02:26.36jmhodgessorry
02:29.10ciaolinuxusbdnet?
02:29.23jmhodgesyeah
02:29.34jmhodgesim on the .18 kern
02:29.39jmhodgesand usbdnet is required for me :(
02:30.12ciaolinuxwhy not .19?
02:30.36jmhodgesuuhhhh.. cause i mistyped hehe
02:30.42jmhodgesmeant .19 hit the wrong button ;)
02:31.32ciaolinuxwhy not .20 then? ;-)
02:32.28jmhodgeshehe cause i dont feel like editing my pkg management system right now hehe
02:32.46jmhodgesmaybe ill update
02:32.55jmhodgesim guessing the new info for that is on the oz site?
02:33.04jmhodgesman i used to be able to gte usbdnet setup in minutes
02:33.05jmhodgesblah
02:34.01jmhodgesuh.. maybe not
02:34.02jmhodgeshehe
02:34.10jmhodgeswhat does one use in the .20 kernel?
02:34.28ciaolinuxusbnet
02:36.06jmhodgesawesome :-D
02:39.27ciaolinuxbut you need the patch... otherwise you just use .21-rc3
02:39.38ciaolinuxor 2.5.55
02:40.49jmhodgesgrr i knew i forgot something
02:41.07jmhodgesok so which patch?
02:41.49jmhodgesyou tried 2.5.55?
02:42.01ciaolinuxjmhodges: i tried 2.5.53
02:42.21jmhodgesand how is it?
02:42.30jmhodges:-D
02:42.31jmhodgeshehe
02:42.34ciaolinuxjmhodges: quite fun... :-)
02:42.37jmhodgeslol
02:42.38jmhodgesaaah
02:42.41ciaolinuxanyway if you want the patch i can send it over
02:42.55jmhodgesthat would be tremendously helpful :-D
02:43.01ciaolinuxdcc?
02:43.13jmhodgesyep, no stupid edu firewall here
02:43.34jmhodgesok
02:43.37ciaolinuxedu without firewall here :-)
02:43.47jmhodgesciaolinux: lucky dog :-D
02:43.54jmhodgesi go back to mine on the 13th
02:43.55ciaolinux:-)
02:44.07ciaolinuxwhat college?
02:45.22jmhodgesbowling green state univ
02:45.24jmhodgesheh
02:45.39jmhodgesthey block everything but the "basic" ports
02:45.41jmhodgesgrrrr
02:45.47jmhodgesits annoying as hell
02:46.05ciaolinuxi guess
02:46.29jmhodgesoh except for the ones used by morpheus and kazaa those they use a packet shpaer on and make them act like the d/ls and u/ls are slower than dialup
02:46.31jmhodgeshehehe
02:47.01ciaolinuxjmhodges: you use windows there?
02:48.13jmhodgesblah no
02:48.30jmhodgesi have an installed (5 bucks from a diff edu) but all my firends doo
02:48.56jmhodgeswinex doesnt handle them either ;)
02:49.38jmhodgeseheh
02:49.40jmhodgesanyway
02:50.02ciaolinuxis there kazaa for unix?
02:50.20jmhodgesnot to my knowledge
02:50.33jmhodgesand i would only use kazaa-lite
02:51.21jmhodgesciaolinux: where is usbnet in the kernel?
02:51.57ciaolinuxin usb
02:53.19jmhodgeshmm...
02:53.19jmhodgesdamn
02:53.25jmhodgesi must have fucked up the patching
02:53.52ciaolinuxwhy?
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02:54.13ciaolinuxusbnet is not an option of the patch... it existed even before
02:54.32jmhodgesthats what *I* thought
02:54.35jmhodgesdammit
02:54.36simprixis there a reason in the stable release that i can't get rid of the birthday and anniversy
02:55.40kergothre
02:55.51jmhodgeswb
02:56.05kergoththanks
02:56.09kergothwhats goin on?
02:56.16nodakergoth: Ooh, hallo :)
02:56.21jmhodgesheya kergoth
02:56.30kergothhey noda
02:56.45nodaWhat's new in kernel-land? Haven't heard anything lately :)
02:57.16kergoththe X values for the TS are still way off
02:57.39kergothI fixed a tslib bug that should let our use of the tslib jitter correction and variance plugins work properly though, which is good
02:57.58kergothneed to send that off to the guy at montavista that has cvs write access to merge the patcfh
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02:58.19simprixnoda: can you tell me why i can't get rid of the birthday date, it shows some date in the year 8000. i never picked that day
02:58.37kergothsimprix: what do you mean _why_? it was probably a bug.
02:58.39kergothheh
02:58.39nodasimprix: Um. Do you want me to tell you the ACTUAL reason or a bit of BS? :)
02:58.40jmhodgesgrr.. usbnet you escape me
02:59.20kergothjmhodges: usb.. 'usb host to host networking' or osmething very similar
02:59.24simprixtell me the reason
02:59.34kergoth'reason'?
02:59.43nodalol
02:59.52jmhodgeskergoth: thanks that makes sense
03:00.09kergothjmhodges: np
03:00.10nodasimprix: I'm not here just for you you know ;)
03:00.23nodaAnd I don't know :)
03:00.27jmhodgesUSB-to-USB Networking cable device support (EXPERIMENTAL) ?
03:00.31simprixdoes anyone know
03:00.34kergothsimprix: probably because its _broken_
03:00.40kergothsimprix: what about this do you not understand?
03:00.44jmhodgesits called CONFIG_USB_USBNET
03:00.46kergothther eis no _why_
03:00.49jmhodgesso im guessing thats right ;)
03:00.50kergothjmhodges: yep, that it
03:00.52kergoths/that/thats/
03:00.56jmhodgesawesome
03:00.58jmhodgesthanks
03:01.02jmhodgesciaolinux: thank you
03:01.03nodaOurs is not to question WHY... :)
03:01.06kergothnp
03:01.25jmhodgeshmm.. its a new kern install.. module or builtin?
03:01.38kergothjmhodges: module. and install hotplug
03:02.13jmhodgeskergoth: only if you toss me your script ;)
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03:02.51kergothjmhodges: heh
03:02.52kergothi use debian
03:03.00kergothit sees its a network interface, and calls out ifup
03:03.20kergothso i configure it the same way i configure any other netowrk interface so that ifup works.
03:03.23kergothnothing to it.
03:03.38jmhodgeshmm.. dont think mine does that automatically at least ti DIDNT.. but then there was an update to the networking stuf
03:03.41jmhodgeshmmmm..
03:03.53jmhodgesthanks kergoth
03:04.00jmhodgesi love this #
03:07.51kergothfor redhat, you can probably just run netconfig -i usb0 .. configure it, and hotplug should run ifup/ifdown.. if not, you can alter it do so
03:07.58kergoththats the best way, then nothing is hardcoded in the hotplug scripts.
03:08.10kergothnow, if you're setting up NAT or something, you'll want a script for that piece
03:08.13kergothbut thats easy
03:08.38nodaI'm rewriting our firewall at work into iptables... whee :)
03:08.49nodaConnection tracking is really cool :)
03:09.32jmhodgesneither deb nor red ;) i think our lnet does something similar now
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03:09.57jmhodgesive been out of the game for a while (break plus *attemtping* to get my cdrw installed, answer factory sucks)
03:11.25nodachouimat: Moo
03:13.05chouimatnoda: what>?
03:13.15nodachouimat: Oh, that was a "moo" as in "Hello" :)
03:13.30kergothhey chouimat
03:13.41nodaWith a "how are you" implied :)
03:14.53kergothhmm.. 9:14.. eat, done around 9:40, relax for an hour to let my stomach settle, work out till 12, shower, sleep.. yeah, enough time
03:15.09nodaWork out until 12?
03:15.21kergothheheh
03:15.35kergothI _make_ time for 30-60 mins of workout a day
03:15.44nodaActually, I don't dream -- I don't have TIME to dream, since I'm working :)
03:15.51chouimatnoda: tired. got a very bad flu. and meet a very nice girl today .... she will be 18, feb. 21 ....
03:16.05nodachouimat: A little young, no?
03:16.11kergothchouimat: cradle robber
03:16.13kergoth:P
03:16.21chouimatnoda: yup, I will be 29 that same day :(
03:17.11chouimatkergoth: heh! that what I saw in bar :(
03:18.10chouimatI think I will spend more quality time with my cat then
03:19.07chouimatnoda: did you finaly talk to G?
03:19.14nodachouimat: Tomorrow -- she's comin' over
03:19.22kergothnoda: 3 years ago i used to work out 3 hours a day, every day. dont ask me how i had the time, cause i dont know and i wish i did :)
03:19.32kergothnoda: good luck :)
03:19.40chouimatnoda: we all pray for you :)
03:19.50nodaHeh, I know what the answer is already, unfortunately :(
03:20.01nodaBut I owe it to myself and her to be honest.
03:20.11chouimatnoda: the worst she call tell you is she in love with your roommate :)
03:20.21nodachouimat: Hehehe, I'd laugh :)
03:20.26kergothchouimat: our young clark is finally growing up.. sniffle
03:20.30kergothhehe
03:20.33nodachouimat: My roommate is my brother ;)
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03:20.46nodakergoth: Heh :P
03:20.59nodakergoth: Of course, I could always chicken out and be a clark kent forever :)
03:21.00chouimatnoda: that near 18 chick is very  very nice :P
03:21.04kergothhehe
03:21.26jmhodgeslol
03:21.33chouimatnoda: wait sometime before showing the " Bat Bat" :)
03:21.43jmhodgescame in at the wrong(?) time
03:21.49jmhodgeslol
03:21.52chouimatjmhodges: :P
03:22.58chouimatnoda: ok, wait before showing your "Magical Wang " (translation)
03:23.47nodaHeh, the only comfort I have in this time of misery is the knowledge that 24 hours from now THIS misery will seem like extacy :P
03:24.13jmhodges!
03:24.17kergothbe confident!
03:24.17jmhodgeslol
03:24.19nodakergoth: What! It's true! :)
03:24.22jmhodgesnoda: wtf?
03:24.33nodakergoth: The best I can hope for is a "Not right now"...
03:24.34kergothif you believe you will fail, you _will_. its called a self fulfilling propheecy
03:24.41kergothheh
03:24.42chouimatnoda: what do you do when a "near 18 chick" told you she want to taste your .... well you know what I mean
03:24.50nodakergoth: rofl, yes, but even if I *don't* believe I will fail, I _will_ :P
03:25.00kergothnoda: bah
03:25.04nodachouimat: I don't know, I've never been in that situation :)
03:25.17nodaFrankly I'd be a little freaked out :P
03:25.24chouimatnoda: I just told her wait when you will be 18 ...
03:25.39nodaGood idea :)
03:26.19chouimatnoda: and she told me she going to be 18, Feb.21 ... and I will get 29 (Feb 21) what should I do ...
03:26.23chouimat:)
03:26.37nodachouimat: Well, it would be a nice birthday present :P
03:26.38kergothchouimat: have a good time?
03:27.03kergothshe's too young to be with, but you can at least have some fun
03:27.14kergothi should be working on kernel stuff
03:27.20nodaBah, kernel :)
03:27.24chouimatkergoth: I planning the same, her cousine made a very nice face when I told that :)
03:27.26nodaWhat did the kernel ever do for you! :)
03:27.33chouimatjmhodges: why?
03:27.38jmhodgesi modprobe'd usbnet
03:27.42jmhodgesand i ran my script
03:28.04jmhodgesbut apparently my Z is not being recognized by usbnet
03:28.05jmhodgesgrr
03:28.25jmhodgesmaybe its cause my alias in /etc/modules.conf was off at boot
03:28.43kergothdid you remove/disable/blacklist CDCEther?
03:28.45kergothit will interfere
03:28.46chouimatkergoth: I think I will sleep very well tonight :P
03:29.05jmhodgeskergoth: CDCEther isnt enabled as default is it?
03:29.32jmhodgesgrep -e CDC kernelconfig
03:29.32jmhodges# CONFIG_USB_CDCETHER is not set
03:29.58jmhodgesyeah usb0 is not popping up
03:30.10kergothand the Z is plugged in?
03:30.18kergothdoes dmesg show it assigning it a usb device address?
03:30.26nodaAAAAAAAAARGH
03:30.42kergothoh man
03:30.44kergoththat reminds me
03:30.53kergothi never completed my homestead paperwork
03:30.56kergothfor the house i bought this year
03:30.56TheMasterMind1sup
03:30.57nodaHow to turn "8.40" into "39.20"...
03:31.00nodaTheMasterMind1: Moo
03:31.00jmhodgeshm.. forgot to try rebooting my z
03:31.02kergothwhich means, i could be fucked tax wise
03:31.04TheMasterMind1noda: whats new
03:31.12nodaAnd even more challenging, 9.63 into 44.94...
03:31.17kergothyo TheMasterMind1
03:31.19nodaTheMasterMind1: Girl's coming over tomorrow...
03:31.22jmhodgeskergoth: ouch
03:31.25jmhodgesnoda: girl?
03:31.46jmhodgeshhe
03:31.47jmhodgesn/m
03:31.49kergothjmhodges: grep the #openzaurus logs for Girl (note capital G)
03:31.51chouimatjmhodges: yup. you know human female
03:32.00kergothhehe
03:32.09jmhodgeslol
03:32.28kergothTheMasterMind1: jaz sent me a keyboard patch he says seems to correct the multiple keypress bug
03:32.39kergothTheMasterMind1: but his patch is nonsensical, in fact its _broken_
03:32.44chouimatkergoth: fixed tslib?
03:32.57kergothTheMasterMind1: but i think i know what aspect of it made the problem go away, so we'll see
03:33.01kergothchouimat: yeah
03:33.09jmhodgeshmm.. dmesg contains some ...
03:33.16jmhodgesodd messages
03:33.31jmhodgesusb.c: USB device 4 (vend/prod 0x4dd/0x8004) is not claimed by any active driver.
03:33.56kergothjmhodges: and after that, does anything claim it?
03:34.01kergothjmhodges: it always shows tha t initially
03:34.06kergothif using hotplug anyway
03:34.15jmhodgesnope
03:34.18jmhodgesthats the last of it
03:34.36kergoththen your usbnet doesnt support the Z
03:34.49kergothyou _did_ apply the patch? or is this 2.4.21-pre?
03:34.59chouimatnoda: repeat after me: " I can be with her ... I can be with her .... I can be with her ... I can score her .... oops
03:35.11kergothlol
03:35.14jmhodgesgrrrrrrrr
03:35.22jmhodgesnow my mouse dont work after i installed mouse
03:35.24chouimatjmhodges: lonely?
03:35.27jmhodgeser..
03:35.31jmhodgess/mouse/hotplug/
03:35.57kergothhmm. anyone know how alcohol affects the system to know how it would affect a workout?
03:36.41jmhodgeslol
03:36.54chouimatkergoth: only time get rid of alcohol
03:37.15kergothchouimat: i know
03:37.30kergothchouimat: I mean, will it reduce the positive affects of the training
03:37.57jmhodgesheh apparently my mouse0 disappeared
03:38.22kergothKeep the fat intake low and stay away from toxins of all kinds including, nicotine, caffeine, and alcohol as these toxins especially alcohol retards recover thereby neutralizing a good work out
03:38.26kergothdamnit!
03:38.35kergothwaht? no toxins?
03:38.41kergothhehe
03:39.02kergothso alcohol retards recovery
03:39.04chouimatkergoth: don't know, I only do chicks when I'm drunk
03:39.05kergothwell fuck me
03:39.06jmhodgesheheh
03:39.14kergothchouimat: well, i workout after work
03:39.20kergothchouimat: after a long day, i also drink after work
03:39.22kergothchouimat: ..
03:39.37kergothoh well
03:39.49chouimatkergoth: same here, but I put 35lbs last year :(
03:39.58kergothi already cut out caffeine, coffee/soda from my diet, time to kill off alcohol during the week too.. damnit
03:40.01kergothchouimat: ouch
03:40.15chouimatkergoth: 5'8" 165lbs
03:40.59kergothchouimat: i'm 5'8" 170lbs
03:41.21kergoth3 years ago i was 145, then worked out 3 hours a day for 6 months and was 163, that added weight was all muscle
03:41.24chouimatkergoth: last january I was 128 lbs
03:41.28kergoththen i quit, it promptly turned to fat
03:41.28kergothbleh
03:41.35nodaMan, I am fucked :P
03:41.42kergothheh
03:41.44kergothtaxes suck
03:41.45nodaOh, PHEW -- I kept the check :)
03:41.59kergothchouimat: 128? damn
03:42.15chouimatkergoth: I was abnle to see my "magical wang" :)
03:42.18kergothi'll be happy if i can maintain the same eweight, but reduce my body fat %
03:42.29kergothwhich will make me look much better
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03:46.18nodaWTF... I had these returns filled out but hadn't sent them for some reason. My account's been collecting a month of interest.
03:46.57kergothheh
03:47.03jmhodgeshhehe
03:47.04kergothi do the annual thing
03:47.33chouimatnoda: next year I choose the weekly thing
03:47.51nodachouimat: Weekly??? Hell, I choose YEARLY!
03:48.26ciaolinuxnite
03:48.34kergothnight ciaolinux
03:48.52chouimatnoda: ok a 4000 $ checks or 52 checks of 75$
03:49.15nodachouimat: Well, maybe I'd pay month monthly just for the sake of it.
03:49.23nodachouimat: Then again, THEY're making interest on your money instead of YOU :)
03:49.25TheMasterMind1anyone know of cheap php/mysql hosting
03:49.27TheMasterMind1really cheap
03:49.33nodaTheMasterMind1: The do-it-yourself variety :)
03:49.40TheMasterMind1no
03:49.42TheMasterMind1other than that
03:49.45chouimatnoda: I know but I will recover more
03:49.46nodaTheMasterMind1: I've got so many free sources, but I can't think of a cheap one.
03:49.53nodaTheMasterMind1: If you want me to host something for you, I can though :)
03:49.57TheMasterMind1heh
03:50.01TheMasterMind1i have enough free hosting
03:50.10Onyx4heya
03:50.10TheMasterMind1this ds3 at school is good enough for my stuff
03:50.15kergothhey Onyx4
03:50.27TheMasterMind1but a friend of mine's written some game that's eating 50% of school's web bandwidth
03:50.28chouimatTheMasterMind1: send me 100$/month and I will host you
03:50.30TheMasterMind1and we want to move it
03:50.37TheMasterMind1chouimat: you missed the part where i said cheap
03:50.41kergothOnyx4: feel like updating the unstable feed?
03:50.45TheMasterMind1i knew of one that was like 10 bucks a year once
03:50.46TheMasterMind1i can't find it
03:50.51Onyx4yes yes, how do I do it , what's all i'm waiting for :)
03:50.53chouimatTheMasterMind1: that include a domain name:P
03:50.59Onyx4is there like an ftp site?
03:51.13Onyx4or instructions somewhere, if you can email them to me
03:51.17TheMasterMind1chouimat: no
03:51.20Onyx4onyx4@onyx4.com
03:51.25TheMasterMind1Onyx4: ftp?
03:51.26TheMasterMind1Onyx4: heh
03:51.31TheMasterMind1Onyx4: do you have an sf account?
03:51.36Onyx4yes it's onyx4
03:51.39kergothyou just ssh/scp in
03:51.40TheMasterMind1Onyx4: ok, ssh to ssh.sf.net
03:51.45kergothonyx4 is a devel on the acct
03:52.01TheMasterMind1cd to /home/groups/o/op/openzaurus/web-docs/official/unstable/feed
03:52.08TheMasterMind1move the files into old/
03:52.11TheMasterMind1scp the new files
03:52.15TheMasterMind1update the Packages file
03:52.17TheMasterMind1and you're done
03:52.26kergothipkg-make-index is in the root of htdocs
03:53.00nodaTheMasterMind1: Get your friend to optimize his game :)
03:53.11Onyx4ok I see
03:53.31TheMasterMind1noda: its the nature of the game, its based on hits. the entire school is going crazy playing it
03:53.39TheMasterMind1noda: www.tjhsst.edu/~crepetsk/lotr/
03:53.40kergothalright, theopenzaurus group has write access to the unstable feed
03:53.53TheMasterMind1you get people to hit your secret link and that increases your army size
03:53.54kergothbut only onyx4 has my permission to do so. respect my wishes on this.
03:54.00TheMasterMind1kergoth: :)
03:54.08jmhodgesanyonehere not using hotplug to connect the z through usbnet?
03:54.22TheMasterMind1kergoth: how is ts going
03:54.24kergothany individual builds all belong in unofficial/.
03:54.28kergothTheMasterMind1: X is still weird
03:54.31kergothTheMasterMind1: fixed the tslib bug
03:54.46TheMasterMind1nice
03:54.50TheMasterMind1X as in tinyx?
03:54.59kergothX as in X/Y :)
03:55.04TheMasterMind1ah ok
03:55.07kergothits still 150-300 off
03:55.13kergothdunno whats  up
03:55.14TheMasterMind1damn
03:55.16kergothtried adding udelays and shit too
03:55.31TheMasterMind1hmm
03:55.37TheMasterMind1fixed resume and got stuck on ts
03:55.38TheMasterMind1imagine that
03:55.42kergothheheh
03:55.44kergothpretty lame
03:55.49kergothts is _simple_ really
03:56.13kergothcourse it doesnt help that we dont have any docs on the chip in question, that arent in japanese
03:56.19TheMasterMind1heh
03:59.22kergothi should commit and push shit from both buildroot and linux-arm-2.4-collie
03:59.29chouimatnoda: when tomorrow you see G?
03:59.48nodachouimat: Night
04:00.21chouimatnoda: ok 24h until: ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANT TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
04:00.33nodachouimat: Exactly, which is why I should savour every moment of my life now :)
04:00.46nodaLook on the bright side! I'm... alive.......
04:00.58chouimatnoda: ok go "Cher Pare" then :P
04:01.01kergoth~lart chouimat
04:01.10chouimat~lart kergoth
04:01.17nodaPare?
04:01.48chouimatnoda: you know the big nudie bar in Montreal, where the Canadien player go after a games
04:01.57nodachouimat: Oh, heh :)
04:02.06nodaShows how much I know about our city :P
04:02.13chouimatnoda: with a little 75$ cover charge
04:02.21Onyx4that much?
04:02.38chouimatOnyx4: If you want a table near the stage
04:02.48Onyx4I see
04:02.58kergoth$75? damn
04:03.31Onyx4so you tip the guy before he gives you the table I guess?
04:03.35Onyx4otherwise how's he gonna know heh
04:03.47chouimatOnyx4: yup that the doorman tip
04:04.50chouimatkergoth: it's per table not per persone :)
04:04.51Onyx4at least full nude bars serve alcohol in mtl
04:05.04Onyx4in california and neveda, only topless service drinks
04:05.04kergothchouimat: still :)
04:05.27nodachouimat: C'est quoi "Votre numero matricule" en Anglais?
04:05.38Onyx4your id number
04:05.45noda<sarcastic>It's not as if I asked for all correspondence in English or anything</sarcastic>
04:05.55nodaOnyx4: Not exactly precise, that :)
04:06.06nodaI can think of 3 that would apply here off the top of my head :)
04:06.21chouimatkergoth: and you must wear a tie and a suit
04:06.26Onyx4matricule, as in car plates or...?
04:06.37chouimatOnyx4: student ID
04:06.45nodaSomething to do with my declaration for people in my company (i.e., me)
04:06.54Onyx4ok
04:07.01chouimatnoda: employe number
04:07.15nodachouimat: HUH! How the hell am I supposed to know that...
04:07.22noda"1" :P
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04:07.36nodaIt's not my GST/QST tax number?
04:07.41Pietehey all :)
04:07.41chouimatnoda: I answer 69 or 42
04:07.49chouimathey Piete
04:08.19nodaOkay, it's 10 digits and it has to do with Quebec... I'm guessing at my QST number.
04:08.30PieteI have some modified colors, and a background I made on drawpad
04:09.23nodaWHAT!!!
04:09.30nodaA 4th number was just invented...
04:09.30Onyx4kergoth, tmm: i am in the process of updating the feed... will take a few minutes to upload new packages
04:09.38nodaOn another paper...
04:09.54noda"NEQ"
04:09.56PieteOnyx4: which feed?
04:10.05Onyx4unstable
04:10.09Onyx4official
04:10.13Pieteok, thanks
04:11.16chouimat|showernoda: you know now why I have a accountant :)
04:11.19chouimat|showerbrb
04:11.25nodachouimat|shower: Mmmm, sounds tempting
04:11.42Onyx4does prelink work fine on debian sid? is it safe to try?
04:11.45Pieteanyone know if screenshot applet, or something simmilar is in one of the feeds?
04:11.52kergoth?
04:11.58kergoththe opie screenshot applet is in the feeds
04:12.00Pietehey kergoth
04:12.00nodaThe human body was simply not designed to file tax returns.
04:12.03Pietekergoth: thanks
04:12.07kergothnoda: here here
04:12.26kergothagreed
04:12.28kergothtaxes are horrid
04:12.37Onyx4especially in canada
04:12.54kergothi've never been to canada
04:13.14kergoththough i could drive there in a few hours
04:13.15kergothheh
04:13.18nodaOh, I love this -- on the tab of the return envelope it has all the "Before sealing, make sure you have:" stuff. So that after you've sealed it you can see what you've done wrong :)
04:13.28nodakergoth: It's a different world, I swear. You wouldn't believe...
04:13.45kergothhah
04:14.15kergothPiete: dont forget the qt embedded rotation fonts
04:14.30kergothi wonder if thats in opie-rotation's Depends
04:14.36nodaI'm not being sarcastic... I went down to Buffalo for half a week and seriously, I've never seen such a large shift over such a short area :)
04:14.46jmhodgesanyone not using hotplug and is using .20 ?
04:14.49Pietekergoth: it seems to have installed them by itself :)
04:14.53kergothnoda: what sort of shift?
04:14.58kergothPiete: ah, thats a yes then. cool
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04:15.11nodakergoth: Well, on our side it takes a person 10 minutes to feed a printer, on the other side it took two people 3 hours :)
04:15.27kergothhah
04:15.49nodaWish I were kidding. And this is on the phone with my boss, who can explain things VERY well over the phone.
04:15.51Pieteawesome! its like I have a bigger screen :D
04:15.51kergothincompetence is rampant
04:16.15nodaDon't worry, we've got our fair share. But I think the difference is, over here we try not to be incompetent :)
04:16.54Pietekergoth: hmm, actualy it didnt install the fonts, I thought I saw it installing it, but I think I saw wrong
04:17.50nodaBedtime -- 'night all :)
04:17.57nodaWish me luck again :P
04:18.13Pietenite
04:18.17kergothnight noda, good luck
04:18.27kergothand think positive :)
04:18.29kenbAnyone got time for a stupid AQPkg feeds question?
04:19.15nodaibot andyq
04:19.20it has been said that andyq is the guy who wrote AQPkg and the marvellous SFCave and his feed is at http://andyq.myby.co.uk/feed
04:19.32kenbYea.  I'm trying to setup my own feeds...
04:19.45kergothPiete: qt-embedded-rotation
04:19.48kergothPiete: :)
04:19.48kenbIt'll happily download them, but won't list anything.
04:20.01kergothkenb: whatd you use to create your packages file?
04:20.05kenbvi
04:20.15kergothheh
04:20.15kergothum
04:20.18Pietekergoth: strange, it *is* installed.. Do I need a reboot?
04:20.19kergothuse ipkg-make-index.
04:20.24kergothPiete: shouldnt..
04:20.36chouimat|Zzzznight
04:20.40kergothnight chouimat|Zzzz
04:21.07Pieteg'nite
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04:21.33dep#join #zaurus
04:21.42Pietehehe
04:22.26kergoth#kick dep
04:22.28kergoth;)
04:22.43chouimat|Zzzz~lart dep
04:23.05depsheeesh...one little typing mistake and it's smirks all around
04:23.15chouimat|Zzzz~lart dep
04:23.22chouimat|Zzzz:)
04:23.24kergothdep: we're bored :)
04:23.57Pietekergoth: excuse me if I'm completely behind, but any news on SD support in .19?
04:24.08depdoes that mean the 2.4.19 frenzy is in a lull?
04:24.09kergothno news
04:24.17kergothawaiting a response fromsharp
04:24.29kergothdep: sorta. TS still has a big bug i cant seem to isolate
04:24.32Pietekergoth: the .19 kernel's features sound so great, but it would be really sad if SD won't work :/
04:24.45chouimat|Zzzzkergoth: night and fix my libtool problem :)
04:24.55kergothchouimat|Zzzz: i can fix it.. rm libtool*
04:24.58kergothchouimat|Zzzz: ;) night
04:25.03Pietehehe, bofh :)
04:25.04chouimat|Zzzz~lart kergoth
04:25.08chouimat|Zzzz:P
04:27.11Piete~lart Piete
04:27.17Pieteohh
04:27.21kergothouch
04:27.43Pietelol, I'd rather be cut in half with AOL cds
04:27.56depdo any of the bored folk want to lecture 30 comp sci students on the joys of java container classes? i have an opening tomorrow at 10:30
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04:28.31kergothdep: i'm not _that_ bored ;)
04:29.05depit was worth a shot
04:30.09Pietehas anyone actualy worn out a SD/CF card?
04:30.25Pieteappart from putting swap on it ;)
04:32.24kenbkergoth: I did the ipkg-make-index.sh stuff, so Package is update, but still not working.
04:32.42TheMasterMind1kenb: ?
04:32.50kergothkenb: works flawlessly here.
04:33.17kergothkenb: use ipkg-make-index from the OZ buildroot, itll handle either ipk format iirc
04:33.27kenbkergoth: http://www.freeswan.ca/code/zeeswan/Packages - looks correct, but AQPkg 1.8 doesn't seem to like it
04:34.08kergothkenb: its not aqpkg.
04:34.11kergothkenb: aqpkg doesnt give a shit
04:34.15Pieteheh, on the zaurus's screen my theme looks like a nice greyish,lightish,seaish,blue, but on the screenshot on the desktop its screaming purple. :/
04:34.17kergothkenb: its _ipkg_'s package database.
04:34.17Pietelol
04:34.35kenbkergoth: ah
04:34.36kergothkenb: aqpkg just loads it
04:35.00kergothkenb: run ipkg update manually, then ipkg info, see what you see
04:35.06kergothkenb: er actually, ipkg status, not info
04:35.16kergothiirc
04:36.22kenbkergoth: pulls down the file fine, and stuffs into /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/
04:36.41kergothand does ipkg show the data?
04:36.44kergothipkg list or whatever?
04:36.46kergothheh
04:37.32kenbipkg list does...
04:38.13kenbthey appear properly in ipkg list
04:38.24kenbah.
04:38.34kergothand aqpkg doesnt show themwhen you select your feed int eh dropdown?
04:38.36kenbrestarting AQPkg solved it.
04:38.42kenbnot until I restarted it.
04:38.43kergothah
04:39.52kenbthanks... now I just have to go thru dependancy hell
04:40.44kergoth?
04:40.50kenbNeed awk and libgmp
04:40.59kergoth..
04:41.04kergothbusybox Provides awk
04:41.14kenbk, that's installed.
04:52.30PieteTheMasterMind1: that screenshots email addy of yours still up?
04:55.20TheMasterMind1ja
04:55.24TheMasterMind1email away
04:55.51kenbkergoth: Looks like AQPkg can't handle dependacies between two packages (ie: I check off both to install, and each depends on each other, and AQPkg install fails).
04:56.00kergotheh?
04:56.17kergothwhy would you make a depend on b, and b depend on a?
04:56.21kergothwe call that a circular dependency.
04:56.24kenbYup.
04:56.30kergothand its not aqpkg thats failing, its ipkg.
04:56.32kenbI didn't start it.. I'm just working with that I've given.
04:56.49kergothyep, ipkg cant handle circular dependencies. this is known
04:56.52kenbOkay, so I'll change the dumb dependacies.
04:57.09PieteTheMasterMind1: care to remind me what it is?
04:57.17kergothipkg is in dire need of a rewrite
04:57.19kenbIt's a wonder someone installed this stuff before I came along
04:58.21Pietejust force depends of a, and then install b? and then both are happy. (or at least, should be in my mind)
04:58.28kenbYea, but that's ugly.
04:58.40kenbI'll just change the control files and rebuild.
04:59.00PieteTheMasterMind1: nm :)
05:01.40Pieteok, I'm out
05:02.10TheMasterMind1kergoth: indeed
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05:06.46oob<PROTECTED>
05:07.28TheMasterMind1what prism2 card
05:07.33TheMasterMind1almost all are 2.5
05:11.15ooblooking at the ZCOMAX XI-825 http://www.zcomax.co.uk/products.php?product_type=1
05:15.36TheMasterMind1how much is it
05:18.49beattieTheMasterMind1: do you know what the situation currently is with mmc/sd support in 2.4.19?
05:24.17oobnot sure
05:25.28kenb23:21|<Piete> kergoth: excuse me if I'm completely behind, but any news on SD support in .19?
05:25.28kenb23:21|<dep> does that mean the 2.4.19 frenzy is in a lull?
05:25.28kenb23:21|<@kergoth> no news
05:25.28kenb23:21|<@kergoth> awaiting a response fromsharp
05:26.10oobis the best we can hope for a binary driver for SD ?
05:31.12beattieoob: it may be for SD, there may not be enough information in the Public Domain for SD, mmc on the other hand is more likely possible
05:35.41kergothfuck
05:35.50kergothi hate it when i drink too mcuh water during a workout and get sick to my stomach
05:36.11kergothbeattie: I checked into MMC.  We dont have enough documentation on the SPI registers on the LoCoMo chip to port the iPaq MMC driver.
05:37.06kergoths/enough/any/
05:37.08kergothheh
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06:00.04beattiekergoth`out: thats kinda what I expected, have you asked sharp about getting the info?
06:01.21kergothbeattie: afaik the contact in sharp japan is out of the office atm
06:01.33kergothbeattie: sent off an email though, awaiting a reply
06:01.50beattieok, thanks
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07:10.13Onyx4finally im done updating the unstable feed!
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10:56.31||ughibot: how to use logread
10:56.32i don't know, ||ugh
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11:20.35||ughWhat!  No jobcontrol in bash? WTF?
11:22.27nobsehah... usbnet in >= 2.4.21-pre1 roxx :)
11:24.16||ughGreat, and we are doing 2.4.19...
11:24.33nobse||ugh: I mean, on the host side.
11:24.43nobse||ugh: just replaced usbdnet here with usbnet
11:25.16||ughAh, good.  Why bother?  I have never hooked my Z in to the dumb USB cradel.  I just SSH in via the Wi-Fi CF.
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12:04.01CrazyGogoheyas
12:05.12CrazyGogoin 3.1rc1 ... if an app is not responding and u answer yes in the dialog box, opie gets killed and u're supposed to be able to re-login, but the z is frozen... is that a known bug or supposed to be that way?
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12:08.27CrazyGogoheyas...
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12:10.16PieteHey guys :)
12:10.46CrazyGogohi
12:11.21Pieteschweet! If I ever buy a palm again it'd be this one; http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3600/
12:13.03Pieteor rather, 'a palm os based device'
12:13.51||ughibot: how do I turn on syslog's ring buffer?
12:13.51||ugh: I don't know, could you explain it?
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12:15.08Piete||ugh: ibot is not sentient you know :P
12:18.11||ughWell sometimes a question like that works, it's better then the busybox man page...
12:18.50Pietehehe, I know what you mean
12:20.04Pieteandyq: garmin GPS just released a PalmOS5 based gps/pda combo, it looks really sweet : http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3600/
12:28.57Pietegtg
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12:43.03datenpunkhello what could be the reason if the z doesn't boot after flashing?
12:44.46datenpunkoh nobody up yet
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14:33.09chouimatmorning
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14:43.37_ibzehlo chouimat
14:43.51pb_hi chouimat
14:43.59mrwoodyyo chouimat
14:44.29mrwoodychouimat: installing 2.5.55 here
14:45.40mrwoodyibot: slashdot
14:45.46prpplaguechouimat: morning
14:49.06Twiunafternoon folks
14:49.26schuriggood afternoon 2u2
14:51.15mrwoody[OT] does anyone know what i need to install in order to see a link like this with mozilla/galeon: mms://video.jumpy.it/striscia/C_9_video_305_fileVideoBD.wmv
14:51.41_ibzhey Twiun
14:53.06DaJokermplayer, or the codeweavers crossover plugin stuff
14:53.39schurigor xine
14:57.39chouimathmmm does anyone have a solution for the "Nigerian Spam"?
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15:00.43Twiun_ibz: hey
15:01.32chouimathi Twiun
15:01.46Twiunhey
15:04.05Twiunright... that's the CSVStringTokenizer class written and documented, now for the unit test comments
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15:10.54Pieteheya schurig
15:11.33schurigPiete: Heya
15:16.13ljp_workmy fingers are too cold to write
15:16.59Pieteljp_work: get some warm water into a sink, and put your hands in it for a minute or two :)
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15:29.34chouimatwb mrwoody
15:29.42mrwoodyhi chouimat... i am on 2.5.55 now
15:29.46mrwoodychouimat: works fine
15:30.01chouimatmrwoody: I'm compiling it on my devel box
15:30.17mrwoodychouimat: cool... you have also to download modutils
15:30.35chouimatmrwoody: which version?
15:30.45mrwoodychouimat: at least 0.9.5
15:31.08mrwoodychouimat: but if i am not wrong now there is 0.9.7
15:31.21mrwoodychouimat: what i don't understand is how to recycle the old mod.conf
15:31.38chouimatmrwoody: modutils, I have 2.4.22 here
15:32.00mrwoodychouimat: sorry... module-init-tools-0.9.xxx
15:32.05mrwoodychouimat: from rusty
15:32.49chouimatmrwoody: nope
15:32.50mrwoodychouimat: now the modules are .ko
15:32.58mrwoodychouimat: nope what?
15:33.06chouimatmrwoody: did have that
15:33.19mrwoodychouimat: you didn't or you did?
15:33.54chouimatmrwoody: I'm doing
15:34.17mrwoodychouimat: ok... let  me know if you find a smart way to recycle the old modules.conf
15:34.43mrwoodychouimat: at the moment i have to reinstall all the modules by hand
15:38.34chouimatmrwoody: can't compile 2.5.55 :(
15:38.52mrwoodychouimat: why?
15:38.57chouimatmrwoody: don't know
15:39.18mrwoodychouimat: weird...
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15:41.14chouimatgrrr my cat killed another toilet paper roll
15:41.45ljp_workevil tp
15:42.34chouimatljp_work: better that than the wallpaper :P
15:45.21ljp_workgrrrrr
15:45.42ljp_workshe really hates being squirted :)
15:48.27lefthandeQuery for the group:  Has anyone tried 2.4.21-pre2 or -pre3 with the Zaurus patch for usbnet.c yet?
15:49.17lefthandeI've compiled it and loaded the new usbnet.o module, but any attempts to configure or bring up "usb0" result in "device not found" errors.  Nothing further shows in the log files.  
15:49.44ljp_workisnt the zaurus patch part of the kernel?
15:50.28lefthandeIt will be as of 2.4.21  This is a prerelease patch applied over 2.4.20 to test out the .21 features
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16:18.49Dessimat0rlo all
16:18.49schuriglo
16:18.49kergoth`zzzhey
16:19.01tronicalhey
16:20.16schurigkergoth: how's the kernel going?
16:20.45kergothschurig: just about done other than the touchscreen, whose X values are flaky
16:22.01schurigkergoth: On my hardware, I took some samples and then used the median of them as value
16:22.38schurigkergoth: for the UCB1400 chip, the manual describes various modes to set it so that you can get x or y values. If your chip allows this, too, then you could try a different mode
16:24.06schurigWith mode I mean: when you try to get the X value, need to set GND to one X plate and VCC to the other. But for the Y plate you have three options: let if float, put both to VCC or both to GND. Sometimes one is better than the other.
16:24.20kergothahh
16:24.29kergothtoo bad I dont have any docs on teh chip that are in english :)
16:26.23Dessimat0rkergoth: what language? german?
16:26.30kergothjapanese.
16:26.36kergoththis is sharp we're tlaking about
16:26.43Dessimat0rkergoth: run it through babelfish ;)
16:26.49kergothum
16:26.52kergothits a _scanned_ pdf
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16:27.00kergothwant me to use OCR on it first? ;))
16:27.01Dessimat0rah
16:27.04Dessimat0rheh
16:27.05hardwireanybody have a 3600 series ipaq with wince on it still?
16:27.05kergothheh
16:27.07Dessimat0rcould do ;)
16:27.16Dessimat0rdo the japanese have OCR crap?
16:27.20Dessimat0rheh
16:27.45Dessimat0rmight be very difficult to 'OCR' their language hehe ;)
16:28.59kergothschurig: wouldnt happent o know japanese, would you? ;)
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16:29.59Dessimat0rzankoku na tenshi no uno ni
16:30.08kergothhehe
16:30.12kergothhmm
16:30.12Dessimat0rlol
16:30.37chouimathmmm that cover of Motorhead Killed By Death is very good
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16:31.13Dessimat0rhad a pr0n video running in the bg by accident, wondered where those grunts were coming from
16:31.32tronicalhehe
16:32.06Dessimat0ri was thinking 'wtf, this music dosen't have grunts in it!'
16:33.10chouimatbrb my mocha is ready
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16:35.14numatrixDessimat0r: actually, it's not that hard at all.
16:35.36tronicalkergoth: do you think we might be able to pick some code from the .18 release for 5600 that is due?
16:35.46numatrixDessimat0r: kanji's easier to OCR in some ways since the characters are more complex than the english alphabet, so they're easier to distinguish.
16:36.26schurigtronical: if the hardware is simular enought ..   just run a "diff -urN kernel1 kernel2" and compare :-)
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16:36.32amanwhats new
16:36.41frankpsJippi. We have now got a Norwegian reseller of Zaurus :-)
16:36.41kergothhehe
16:36.46amankergoth sup
16:36.53tronicalschurig: I wish the source was already released :)
16:37.03kergothschurig: where'd you get the info on measure x/y position on the cucb1400? the spec sheet is rather incomplete
16:37.15kergothtronical: jan 24th.. so they say anyway
16:37.25amankergoth no, the 14th
16:37.38Dessimat0rnumatrix: ah
16:37.46kergother yeah
16:37.46amandid Onyx4 update the feed/
16:37.56kergothgo check
16:37.58kergothdunno
16:38.18amanah dammit
16:38.21Dessimat0rI need feed :D
16:38.21amanwhat was that bk check thing
16:38.26amanbk -auf check ?
16:38.48schurigI have a file UCB1400-01.pdf with 61 pages ...
16:38.48amanfor plock messups
16:39.00Dessimat0rYou should put this on the OZ site, tis fanart ;) : http://www.gummiclan.com/gib/oz.jpg
16:39.13kergothbk -r check -f? or something..
16:39.45schurigkergoth: from this 61 pages, touchscreen goes from 24 to 28 :-)
16:40.05amanop²
16:40.07amanhmm
16:40.20aman±2² ±3³
16:40.44schurigaman: wrong channel?
16:40.55amanno
16:40.57Dessimat0rwhat is the ascii code for ²?
16:41.06kergothschurig: yeah, i have ucb1400-02.pdf, same pages.. where does it talk about multiple means of doing the masurement? i only see a signel diagram showing grounding one electrode and powering the other.. :)
16:41.12Dessimat0r³, sorry
16:41.14Dessimat0rneed it for my project
16:41.22schurigDessimat0r: there is none. ASCII only contains characters and control chars from 0 ... 127.
16:41.28Dessimat0rah
16:41.33Dessimat0rhmm
16:41.39schurigDessimat0r: it migth be in iso-latin-1 or cp437 or whatever, but then it varies
16:41.47Dessimat0ri see
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16:42.22Dessimat0rI'll see if delphi likes me pasting in ³ into the box
16:42.25amanbitchx is weird.
16:42.52schurig² is hex 2A on the Linux console
16:43.03schurigaeh, B2
16:43.44amanhmm
16:43.51amanecho ^[[B2; didn't work
16:43.54amanhehe
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16:44.59amananyways
16:45.00schurigkergoth: Ups, you caught me. The various options have been about pressure ...
16:45.01Dessimat0rshit.. i left my floppy disk in college
16:45.08Dessimat0rlol.
16:45.12amanfloppy disk?
16:45.12kergothschurig: :)
16:45.14amanwhats taht
16:45.14hardwirehahaha!
16:45.16Dessimat0rlol
16:45.22Dessimat0rwith my project on it
16:45.36schurigkergoth: hey, that was from memory. I did the TouchScreen dance more than a month ago ...    :-)
16:45.37Dessimat0rbah!
16:45.37Dessimat0rlol
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16:45.43kergothschurig: hehe
16:45.46AndyQhey
16:45.48Dessimat0rlo AndyQ
16:46.04kergothschurig: tslib is pretty cool
16:46.08Dessimat0rAndyQ: even the windows version has those minor graphical glitches on the boxes ;)
16:46.14AndyQDessimat0r: yup
16:46.21AndyQDessimat0r: but its got sound working now :)
16:46.24amanhmm
16:46.29Dessimat0rlol
16:46.31amanthese dell axim's are pretty sweet
16:46.32amancheap too
16:47.10Dessimat0rthe windows version is sweet, anywya :D
16:47.13Dessimat0r*way
16:47.15Dessimat0rlol
16:47.35AndyQ:) something to do when bored at work anyway
16:47.36schurigMy wife just phoned. Pizza is ready. kvirc is cool, too. Life is nice, of course. So, what other things have I to do but to wish you a good weekend?
16:47.40Dessimat0rbastardtron! i need to do coding this weekend
16:47.52Dessimat0rhow can I do coding with an outdated versiuon of my project
16:47.54kergothhehe
16:47.59amanlooks like he updated the feed
16:48.03Dessimat0rooh :D
16:48.09AndyQkergoth: hows ts coming along?
16:48.13Dessimat0rI'll be messing with OZ this weekend, it seems ;)
16:48.15kergothAndyQ: still hates me :)
16:48.16amanAndyQ its not
16:48.32AndyQhehe - you must be a) so close and b) ready to throw it out the window
16:48.36amananyone else checked out the dell axims ?
16:48.46kergothAndyQ: ohhhh yeah.
16:49.14Dessimat0rwe should seep him in a cage, just in reach of the Zaurus's keyboard to do stuff on it ;)
16:50.01chouimatkergoth: my cat seems to like In Flames
16:50.07kergothany volunteers to compare this code with the 2.4.6 code?
16:50.13kergothI need another set of eyes
16:50.16kergothmaybe I'm missing something simple
16:50.21chouimatkergoth: which code
16:50.34kergothchouimat: ucb1x00 touchscreen
16:50.43kergothits not that fucking somplex, i dont get the problem
16:50.43chouimatkergoth: np
16:52.05Dessimat0rmaybe the code will work better if you damage the touchscreen with a brick
16:52.35Dessimat0rbut we'd all need brocks then ;)
16:52.38Dessimat0rbricks
16:52.39Dessimat0rhehe
16:53.44ljp_workkergoth's got a damaged z
16:53.56Dessimat0rljp: ?
16:54.01kergothhehe
16:54.03Dessimat0rlol
16:54.06kergothi sold it off to a hardware hacker who could use it
16:54.10ljp_workoh
16:54.14Dessimat0rlol
16:54.18kergothDessimat0r: my 5000d had a cracked touchscreen digitizer
16:54.22Dessimat0rah
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16:54.48AndyQkergoth: that would propably have worked better :)
16:54.58chouimatkergoth: where are that file
16:55.01AndyQwell, you'd have got the same values out of both kernels :)
16:56.25AndyQchouimat: shes not sleeping - shes awake with her eyes shut plotting nasty things to do to you
16:56.27AndyQ:)
16:56.40Dessimat0rAndyQ: sex0r it! ;)
16:56.50kergothchouimat: 2.4.6 is drivers/char/ucb1200_ts.c, 2.4.19 is drivers/misc/ucb1x00_ts.c
16:56.50Dessimat0roops
16:56.55Dessimat0rthat was to chouimat
16:56.55Dessimat0rlol
16:56.56AndyQsex0r??????
16:57.11kergoth~lart Dessimat0r
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16:57.15Dessimat0rlol
16:57.27chouimatAndyQ: his tails mark the beat of the song
16:57.32AndyQchouimat: to prove this theory, but on some chainmail and a helmet (and probably gloves), creep up and shout boo!
16:57.37JasonNJsup dudes.
16:57.38AndyQchouimat: lol
16:57.45kergothhey jason
16:58.02chouimatAndyQ: know the Swedish band In Flames?
16:58.13AndyQchouimat: nope - what style?
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16:58.26chouimatAndyQ: Death Metal
16:58.31JasonNJoz.org is down
16:58.36Dessimat0rknow the japanese band, Two-Mix?
16:59.04AndyQchouimat: whats a good song to try out?
16:59.22Twiunhey Jas
16:59.54chouimattry Jotun or Ordinary story
17:00.08billytwowillychouimat: death metal? get black metal, it's better;) It was started by the guys who felt death metal was too soft;)
17:00.23Dessimat0rall metal is crap, imo ;)
17:00.25chouimatAndyQ: or any one of tokyo showdown (live album)
17:00.56billytwowillyDessimat0r: have you heard cradle of filth "hallowed be thy name"?
17:01.07billytwowillyDessimat0r: amazing guitar in that song.
17:01.08chouimatbillytwowilly: that one is great
17:01.22kergotheek
17:01.23chouimatbillytwowilly: heard the original?
17:01.28Dessimat0rlol, might be amazing guitar, but it dosen't make it sound good
17:01.29kergothmy zaurus doesnt flash anymore
17:01.43kergothhmm
17:01.43ljp_workflashed out?!
17:01.48AndyQkergoth: not good
17:01.57Dessimat0rgerk
17:02.00JasonNJsup
17:02.03kergothoh, nevermind
17:02.06Dessimat0rlol
17:02.11kergothflashing without AC when your battery's dead = bad
17:02.13AndyQkergoth: working now?
17:02.13kergothhehe
17:02.16billytwowillychouimat: I think so, I can't remember who it's by though. I wanna say iron maiden....
17:02.30chouimatbillytwowilly: it's an Iron Maiden song
17:02.39Dessimat0rkergoth: heh, I used to think that the AC was essential
17:02.45Dessimat0rwhen flashing
17:02.45billytwowillychouimat: I think I liked the COF version better.
17:02.49AndyQchouimat: couldn't find ordinary story (yet) but jesters dance is pretty good so far
17:02.53billytwowillyanyhoo, I gotta go to school. ciao.
17:02.58AndyQkergoth: lol
17:03.00kergothDessimat0r: only if you're falshing an ospack/romimage.. cause if you run out of power half way through you're in trouble :)
17:03.19chouimatAndyQ: didn't have that album yet fetching it from kazaa
17:03.45AndyQits all instrumental but pretty cool
17:04.05chouimatbillytwowilly: I have seen Maiden live and Hallowed be thy name is great with three guitars on it
17:04.09Dessimat0rkergoth: heh
17:04.48AndyQexcellent news - Metallica are headlining Reading festival (and Leeds I think) this year
17:04.54chouimatAndyQ: know the band Green Carnation?
17:05.05AndyQchouimat: nope
17:05.32AndyQchouimat: btw - can you swap the i&u round in your nick (I keep typing choiumat :)
17:05.40chouimatAndyQ: their last album light of day, day of darkness only have one track but a 60 minutes song
17:05.52chouimatAndyQ: nope :)
17:05.55AndyQcool - instrumental or vocals too?
17:06.04chouimatAndyQ: Progressive Metal
17:06.33AndyQchouimat: heard of Mansun? (not metal)
17:06.45chouimatAndyQ: some part are very very heavy and dark and other are more like a musical or an opera
17:06.49chouimatAndyQ: nope
17:07.14AndyQcheck out the album Six (very strange - needs about two listens to) but excellent - my favorite album ever so far
17:07.34chouimatAndyQ: what kind of movie?
17:07.44AndyQmovie?
17:07.57chouimatAndyQ: ok wrong channel :)
17:08.05AndyQhehe
17:08.53chouimatAndyQ: that cat is great I can listen to everything I want, not like my ex wife
17:09.11AndyQ:) I'm lucky that my wife likes the same sort of music I do
17:09.42AndyQunlike my ex wife who liked shit (Mariah Carey, Love Songs, etc)!
17:10.01chouimatAndyQ: lucky you. and this cat his less job than her :)
17:10.23chouimatAndyQ: and try some Spiral ARchitect
17:10.36kergothi listen to everything. so theres always something i listen to that the woman i'm with hates, regardless of her tastes
17:10.40kergothheh
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17:10.49AndyQ:)
17:11.28AndyQkergoth: my music tastes are pretty damn broad (opera & classical - > Slayer, Napalm Death, etc)
17:11.57chouimatAndyQ: same here
17:11.59AndyQnot a big fan of manufactured boy/girl bands
17:12.01Dessimat0rI hate almost all music
17:12.06AndyQs/big/
17:12.10Dessimat0rI like some of the new Slim Shady song
17:12.11AndyQDessimat0r: lol
17:12.19chouimatAndyQ: kergoth: know about innershrine?
17:12.24kergothnope
17:12.25Dessimat0rthe chorus, mainly
17:12.26AndyQnope
17:12.27Dessimat0rlmao
17:12.37Dessimat0rthe rest is just lazy shit
17:12.44AndyQhehe
17:12.56chouimatAndyQ: kind of death metal with an opera singer (female) on it
17:13.02AndyQDessimat0r: you fancy the new SFCave with sounds?
17:13.09AndyQ(widows version)
17:13.10kergothchouimat: nice
17:13.22Dessimat0rthe music, the moment, you've got one shot, don't let it go, its your time to blow oh oh oh oh, or something like that
17:13.33Dessimat0rlmao
17:13.41kergothDessimat0r: yeah, i like that song. heh
17:14.17chouimatAndyQ: know ayreon? ambeon?
17:14.24AndyQhehe no :)
17:14.24Dessimat0rhis music seems to keep getting better
17:14.32Dessimat0rbut its still not good enough for my tastes
17:14.41AndyQchouimat: know bolshoi?
17:14.45Dessimat0rI only like that particular chorus in that song
17:14.50Dessimat0rhas effort
17:15.04chouimatAndyQ: ayreon is very progressive metal, ambeon is the same gang but more ambient/ atmospheric but metal progressive
17:15.12chouimatAndyQ: nope
17:15.32chouimatAndyQ: can you accept DCC?
17:15.36AndyQyup
17:16.05chouimatAndyQ: give me 5 minutes and I will send you 2 songs
17:16.11AndyQk - cool
17:16.31chouimatAndyQ: know afterforever?
17:16.37AndyQnope
17:16.51AndyQbut I do like Rammstein
17:17.00Dessimat0rrammenstein
17:17.29AndyQnope - Rammstein
17:17.33Dessimat0rlol
17:17.51Dessimat0rwas a joke ;) His name is very similar to that of the Doctor
17:17.57chouimatAndyQ: you will like that, even my mother like that and she like classical and techno music
17:18.04AndyQcool
17:18.05chouimatAndyQ: you know therion?
17:18.17AndyQhave a guess ;)
17:18.22AndyQheard of them though
17:18.41chouimatAndyQ: have all their album :)
17:20.52AndyQalso, just getting into Kate Bush (after ignoring her for years)
17:21.00AndyQnot literally though I'll have you know :)
17:21.21chouimatAndyQ: from ambeon : do you want Cold Metal or Sweet little brother?
17:21.38AndyQummmm not fussed really - whichevers better
17:22.01chouimatAndyQ: both are quite good so
17:22.10AndyQtake your pick
17:23.59ljp_workyou can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, but dont pick your friends nose
17:25.00chouimatAndyQ: ambeon the singer have a very beautifull voice ( for a 14 years old girl)
17:27.14AndyQchouimat: was the one you just sent ambeon?
17:27.26AndyQI'm guessing yes as its a very nice voice
17:27.37chouimatnope after forever ( a dutch band)
17:27.52AndyQhmmm - still a nice voice :) (monolyth)
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17:28.53chouimatAndyQ: I remember having 35$ (each) for the two album of that band
17:29.17AndyQjeesh!
17:29.38chouimatAndyQ: import
17:29.45AndyQyeah - I guessed as much
17:30.32AndyQchouimat: I like After Forever
17:31.12chouimatAndyQ: everyone like that except my little sister (she prefer crap like Guinsbourg)
17:31.39AndyQ:)
17:33.01chouimatAndyQ: ambeon is near readiness for sending
17:33.10AndyQcool - looking forward to it
17:33.23chouimatkergoth: which part of the driver cause you problem?
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17:37.33AndyQthat will take a little while :)
17:37.44chouimatyup :P
17:39.55kergothchouimat: the x values are fluctuating too much
17:40.22AndyQchouimat: can you accept DCC?
17:40.27kergothchouimat: i.e. bottom, x values vary from 100-300, whereas the low y values are 150-170.. its odd
17:40.46chouimatAndyQ: yup
17:41.01AndyQI'll try again....
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17:41.30AndyQchouimat: did it work?
17:41.56chouimatAndyQ: contacting host 192.168.2.16 on port 2524
17:42.08AndyQahhh fuck - damn router - hang on a moment :)
17:43.14AndyQhmmm nope - not sure how to do this.....
17:43.18AndyQbear with me
17:43.44chouimatbrb
17:44.37AndyQchouimat: try that it may work.....
17:46.11Dessimat0rkergoth the coder, can he fix it? kergoth the coder, yes he can! all hacking kernels, chouimat too, working together, they get the job done.
17:46.15Dessimat0rhehe, I am insane ;)
17:46.26kergothno argument there
17:46.27kergoth:)
17:46.30kergothbrb
17:46.32AndyQlol
17:46.33Dessimat0rk
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17:47.44Dessimat0ris it me, or does ipkg get really slow after installing/upgrading tons of packages?
17:48.04AndyQDessimat0r: can I try DCCing you a file?
17:48.20Dessimat0rsure
17:48.34AndyQany luck?
17:48.44Dessimat0r'Accepting send'
17:48.52chouimathmm don't know my firewall is open
17:49.08Dessimat0rconnection failed
17:49.09Dessimat0rlol
17:49.11AndyQI think its me behind my router
17:49.15Dessimat0rI've got no firewall
17:49.33AndyQcoz I have a 192 address (my route has the real address)
17:49.38Dessimat0rah
17:49.46Dessimat0ra network ip
17:49.47AndyQhang on - maybe.....
17:50.35AndyQOK attempt #1000000000
17:51.00Dessimat0r'Accepting send'
17:51.12AndyQnearly but not quite...
17:51.15Dessimat0rConnection failed
17:51.16Dessimat0rlol
17:52.01AndyQohh more hopeful this time
17:52.11Dessimat0r:D
17:52.13AndyQwoot!
17:52.17AndyQchouimat: OK ready?
17:52.24Dessimat0rheh, some SFCave debug stuff ;)
17:52.34AndyQsmall and easy :)
17:52.49Dessimat0r;)
17:53.12Dessimat0rthe Konq in the newest unstable feed hasn't got an icon
17:53.24AndyQwoot it works
17:53.38Dessimat0rlol
17:54.02AndyQnot that I'm technically incompetant mind you
17:54.17AndyQbut I still don't know exactly what I did to get it working
17:54.26AndyQjust changed stuff here and there and clicked on oether stuff
17:54.30AndyQand woot it works :)
17:55.58chouimathmmm windows network managent: I don't know what I did, I just clicked somewhere and it's work
17:56.18AndyQ;)
17:59.44chouimatAndyQ: not bad
17:59.54AndyQwant another one?
18:00.06chouimatAndyQ: maybe another time
18:00.11AndyQ:)
18:02.00tronicalheh
18:02.37chouimatAndyQ: accept the connection
18:02.48AndyQ:)
18:05.07chouimatAndyQ: so?
18:05.14AndyQAmbeon is pretty good
18:06.32Dessimat0rgah! opie keeps segfaulting on installing opie-jumpx, and other input entry stuff
18:06.45Dessimat0rstill installs tho
18:07.48Dessimat0rw00t, netsplit
18:07.49Dessimat0rlol
18:07.56AndyQheh
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18:08.54AndyQwahay theyre back
18:09.20AndyQchouimat: my wife also likes Ambeon
18:09.27Dessimat0rhello gentlemen, I have come to take your lives
18:10.37Dessimat0ris it me, or is OZ getting smaller and smaller?
18:10.46Dessimat0rI now have 2mb free on the flash
18:10.46AndyQ?
18:10.52Dessimat0rhad 960k before
18:11.01Dessimat0rafter upgrading from the unstable
18:11.52JasonNJsup homies.
18:12.07Dessimat0ryo bro
18:12.09Dessimat0r;)
18:12.42chouimatAndyQ: good
18:14.10chouimathmmm any use Freebsd here?
18:14.11Dessimat0rand kpacman STLL does not work ;)
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18:21.25JasonNJaw kergoth look on the bright side, its friday
18:21.40kergothJasonNJ: good point
18:21.59Dessimat0rtons of bugs with this new OZ unstable :/
18:22.06Dessimat0rwell, its probably opie
18:22.22Dessimat0rsysteminfo hangs upon trying to kill an app
18:22.50Dessimat0rno konq icon
18:23.05kergothkonq was built from source for the first time
18:23.09Dessimat0rtextedit hangs upon opening most files
18:23.10Dessimat0rah
18:24.02Dessimat0rxmms in't working upon upgrade, seems to hang
18:24.05Dessimat0rI'll try reinstalling it
18:27.21Dessimat0rwow, Konq/e looks really nice :D
18:27.25Dessimat0rwhen opened
18:27.26Dessimat0rhehe
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18:28.20jazhello
18:29.24JasonNJkonq built from source? kewl.
18:30.01kergothJasonNJ: yep, simon added it to our build
18:30.58JasonNJany new features in the recent builds?
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18:32.24drwDessimat0r: the sysinfo problem is a drawing/painting one, it still works and can click on other tabs
18:32.59Dessimat0rxmms still depends on qpe-base
18:33.05drw(hope to fix it today in opie cvs)
18:33.07mickeylhmm.. is libts supposed to build with the current buildroot [gcc 2.95x] ?
18:33.21Dessimat0rdrw: ah
18:34.45kergothmickeyl: yep
18:35.20mickeylkergoth: hmm... any idea what could cause the following:
18:35.30mickeylmake[5]: Wechsel in das Verzeichnis Verzeichnis »/usr/local/projects/openzaurus/build/libts-0.0/src«
18:35.30mickeyl../libtool: line 1: s%^.*/%%: No such file or directory
18:35.30mickeyl../libtool: line 1: -e: command not found
18:35.42mickeyl../libtool: line 1: -e: command not found
18:35.42mickeyl: compile: cannot determine name of library object from `'
18:35.54kergothmickeyl: it shouldtn be using its own libtool, it should b eusing ours. but i dont see what would cause that.
18:36.08kergoth'that' being those errors
18:36.09kergothheh
18:36.55mickeylso ../libtool should instead be something like STAGING_DIR/bin/libtool then?
18:37.04kergothright
18:37.22JasonNJkergoth: any progress on the touchscreen?
18:38.13kergothJasonNJ: not really. the  y and presure values are still sane, and X valeus are still decidedly not.
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18:38.30kergoththough, an interesting thing, ts_test works after ts_calibrate.. yet opie doesnt after opie's calibrate
18:38.33kergothheh
18:39.51mickeylmy libts/Makefile says LIBTOOL = $(SHELL) $(top_builddir)/libtool
18:41.16kergothso override it. LIBTOOL=$(STAGING_DIR)/bin/libtool on the make line in packges/tslib/Makefile
18:41.50Dessimat0rgah, why won't XMMS work? tried executing it in the shell, but
18:42.00Dessimat0rit just executes it forever
18:42.10Dessimat0rwith no outcome
18:42.12AndyQOK, gtg - later
18:42.16Dessimat0rcya
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18:43.41mrwoodykergoth: any news about the mmc/sd support?
18:44.52kergothno news.
18:46.05Dessimat0ralso, xmms seems to geneerate 4 instances of itself on the processes list
18:46.12Dessimat0rsomething is certainly wrong
18:46.14Dessimat0rlol
18:46.25mrwoodykergoth: when you manage to fix the ts, would you release the kernel without mmc support?
18:48.13Dessimat0rhave you noticed that Opie actually looks more like x86 Windows than PocketPC does?
18:48.24chouimathuh? java based jvm???
18:48.25JasonNJyeah that is pretty funny
18:48.27kergothmrwoody: define 'release'
18:48.28Dessimat0rlol
18:49.02mrwoodykergoth: for instace the binary in openzaurus.org
18:49.58Dessimat0rwhere is pnis when ya need him? ;)
18:50.19Dessimat0ribot seen pnis
18:50.20pnis <~pnis@caracas-0285.adsl.interware.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 2d 21h 3m 59s ago, saying: 'thanks'.
18:50.27Dessimat0rerk.
18:50.30Dessimat0r2 days
18:50.58chouimatkergoth: If you go to Switzerland, go to La Gruere. the Guiger Museum is very nice and the cheese fondue there is awsome: 1/2lb of cheese per person, 1 pint of white wine, garlic, and cream
18:51.10kergothmrwoody: thats a OZ release. whether 3.1rc2/3.2 will release with 2.4.19 is up in the air
18:51.17chouimatDessimat0r: look in your pants :)
18:51.46Dessimat0rlol
18:52.09Dessimat0rchouimat: maybe I'll see pnis if i look at some pr0n
18:52.12Onyx4heya
18:52.26Onyx4you saw my msg about that I updated the unstable feed last night?
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18:52.35Dessimat0ryeah, I'm on it ;)
18:52.38Dessimat0rthe unsatble
18:52.42Dessimat0rxmms dosen't work
18:52.46Dessimat0rfor some odd reason
18:52.57Dessimat0rgenerates 4 instances of itself on the processes list
18:53.05Dessimat0rall I did was upgrade from an older version
18:53.56chouimat|awaybrb need to get some food
18:54.09Dessimat0r*ahem* excuse my typing mistakes ;)
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18:55.55Twiunrehi
18:56.01Twiunwhat was that about a java based jvm?
18:56.10chouimat|awayTwiun: Jikes RVM
18:56.17Twiunoh THAT thing
18:56.33TwiunJalapeno wasn't it called?
18:56.41Dessimat0rbloody Java, anything made using it is destined to be slow
18:56.44Dessimat0rhehe ;)
18:57.35Dessimat0rtwould be nice to have Macromedia Flash on the Z
18:57.43Dessimat0rthe viewer part
18:58.03Dessimat0rbut that is nearly impossible, since it is closed source
18:58.16Dessimat0rMacromedia would also beat you down with lawsuits
18:58.17Dessimat0rlol
18:58.30chouimat|awayDessimat0r: my cat jump on my bed, then on my "furniture to keep clothes" (don't know the exact word), but he miscalculated his speed so he ended on  the floor on the other side of that furniture :)
18:58.36Dessimat0rrofl
18:59.04chouimat|awaymaybe it's time for to stop coffee
18:59.13Dessimat0rfurnature to keep clothes? hmm.. dunno a word for that
18:59.27TwiunDessimat0r: wasn't there an OSS flash writing software for linux?
18:59.28kergothdresser?
18:59.29kergothheh
18:59.35chouimat|awaykergoth: yup
18:59.41Dessimat0rclothes on the furnature?
18:59.43Dessimat0rah
18:59.49Twiunibot: spell furniture
18:59.49'furniture' may be spelled correctly
19:00.04Dessimat0rdunno
19:00.08Dessimat0rhow is it spelt anyway?
19:00.13Dessimat0rfurnature ?
19:00.15chouimat|awaybb in 15 minutes, it's friday so a lot of people in the grocery
19:00.23mrwoodydoes anyone get this error msg with mplayer :  MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM
19:00.32Dessimat0rah, ibot helps
19:05.38ljp_workibot: spell phurrnitcher
19:05.38I can't find alternate spellings for 'phurrnitcher'
19:06.03Dessimat0ribot: spell supercalifragilisticexpealedochus
19:06.04I can't find alternate spellings for 'supercalifragilisticexpealedochus'
19:06.38ljp_workibot: spell YoMommaIsAPajamma
19:06.38I can't find alternate spellings for 'YoMommaIsAPajamma'
19:07.10Dessimat0ry0 m0mmas so fat, that she bounces instead of walking
19:07.16Dessimat0rrofl
19:09.51ljp_workibot: spell Opiezaurus
19:09.52I can't find alternate spellings for 'Opiezaurus'
19:12.45JasonNJibot: spell rectum
19:12.45'rectum' may be spelled correctly
19:12.58JasonNJibot: spell color
19:12.58'color' may be spelled correctly
19:13.06JasonNJibot: spell tomato
19:13.06'tomato' may be spelled correctly
19:13.10ljp_workibot: spell colour
19:13.10possible spellings for colour: color
19:13.10JasonNJibot: spell tomatoe
19:13.10possible spellings for tomatoe: tomatoes tomato
19:13.23JasonNJibot spell potatoe
19:13.23possible spellings for potatoe: potatoes potato
19:13.29Twiunlol
19:13.39Twiunanother american dictionary
19:13.49Twiunibot: spell virtualise
19:13.50I can't find alternate spellings for 'virtualise'
19:14.04Twiunand probably using the 1913 webster dict at that
19:14.06JasonNJibot spell color with a K
19:14.07'color with a K' may be spelled correctly
19:14.27ljp_workibot: spell antidiseshtablishmentarianism
19:14.27possible spellings for antidiseshtablishmentarianism: antidisestablishmentarianism
19:14.32JasonNJwhat a silly bunt
19:14.33mrwoodyibot: spell zaurus
19:14.33possible spellings for zaurus: Taurus
19:14.58JasonNJibot spell kunt
19:14.58possible spellings for kunt: aunt bunt hunt punt runt Kant Kent Kurt
19:15.08ljp_workhaha
19:15.21JasonNJibot spell bunghole
19:15.21I can't find alternate spellings for 'bunghole'
19:17.45ljp_workibot: spell ibot
19:17.45I can't find alternate spellings for 'ibot'
19:17.54tux_mikeibot spell rum
19:17.54'rum' may be spelled correctly
19:18.13tux_mikeibot spell moo
19:18.13'moo' may be spelled correctly
19:18.16kergothhmm
19:18.21kergothyep, its friday alright
19:18.32tux_mikeyah
19:19.10ljp_workibot: spell phaart
19:19.10I can't find alternate spellings for 'phaart'
19:19.20kergothibot: spell lart
19:19.20possible spellings for lart: art Bart cart dart hart mart part tart UART wart last lard lark Lars
19:19.28kergothhah
19:19.29kergothuart
19:19.36chouimat|awayibot spell sax
19:19.36'sax' may be spelled correctly
19:19.39tux_mikeibot lart ibot
19:19.47tux_mikefucker
19:19.49ljp_workhaha
19:19.53chouimat|away~lart dubbyah
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19:20.06ljp_workibot: spell viagra
19:20.06I can't find alternate spellings for 'viagra'
19:20.07tux_mikeibot lart yourself
19:20.19ljp_workhaha
19:20.20tux_mikeibot lart myself
19:20.38tux_mikegah
19:20.44tux_mike5 hours of data structures
19:21.23ljp_workibot: spell data structures
19:21.23'data structures' may be spelled correctly
19:21.46ljp_workibot: spell bored
19:21.46I can't find alternate spellings for 'bored'
19:21.56chouimat|awayfuck! cours a scrap it's boring
19:22.01ljp_workibot: spell idiot
19:22.01'idiot' may be spelled correctly
19:22.28chouimatibot scrapheap yeard
19:22.30chouimat: I don't know, could you explain it?
19:22.32JasonNJibot: spell smegma
19:22.32I can't find alternate spellings for 'smegma'
19:23.02chouimat~lart myself
19:23.56Dessimat0r~lart itself
19:24.00Dessimat0rrofl
19:24.16tronicaltoys.... :)
19:24.24JasonNJdamn the internet....
19:24.27JasonNJhttp://www.foreskin.org/smegma.htm
19:24.33Dessimat0rboyeez will be boyeez
19:24.34JasonNJI should NOT have clicked on that
19:24.40Dessimat0rlol!
19:25.11chouimatJasonNJ: www.kittyland.com
19:25.25Dessimat0rlmao, i hate smegma
19:25.54Dessimat0rlmao, now i know where the word 'smeg' is derrived from
19:26.00Dessimat0rfrom Red Dwarf
19:26.10JasonNJlol you didnt know that?
19:26.14Dessimat0rno lol
19:26.26JasonNJyes there is a word for everything
19:26.47Dessimat0rlol
19:27.03Dessimat0ribot king
19:27.05Dessimat0r: are you smoking crack?
19:27.14Dessimat0ribot king is Dessimat0r
19:27.16Dessimat0r: okay
19:28.15Dessimat0ribot king
19:28.17methinks king is Dessimat0r
19:28.44tronicalhehe
19:28.54Dessimat0ribot Queen is troncial
19:28.56okay, Dessimat0r
19:28.59tronicalerr
19:29.01Dessimat0rrofl
19:29.02tronicalibot forget Queen
19:29.03i forgot queen, tronical
19:29.31Dessimat0ribot Dessimat0r
19:29.33from memory, dessimat0r is the overlord of the universe, ph34r him.
19:29.47JasonNJibot jasonnj
19:29.50[jasonnj] quoted as saying: <JasonNJ> angry: I mainly sit on noidd's ass and listen to idiots on IRC
19:29.52ljp_workibot: forget DessimatOr
19:29.52ljp_work: i didn't have anything called 'dessimator'
19:30.39Dessimat0ribot can never forget me! ;)
19:30.41Dessimat0r: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
19:30.41ljp_workibot: forget Dessimat0r
19:30.41ljp_work: cannot alter locked factoids
19:30.50JasonNJibot jassonj is a cruel and cynical old man
19:30.52okay, JasonNJ
19:30.56Dessimat0rlol
19:31.10Dessimat0ri locked me ages ago when facts could still be locked ;)
19:31.14Dessimat0rme = mine
19:31.34JasonNJibot kergoth
19:31.36from memory, kergoth is at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy
19:32.14JasonNJman I wanna go home
19:32.26JasonNJmy stomach is killing me
19:32.34JasonNJI ate way too much spicy thai food last night
19:32.46kergothbored. very bored.
19:34.24tronicalhehehe
19:35.11chouimatJasonNJ: I ate a very rich cheese fondue last night
19:36.06mrwoodychouimat: you miss swiss stuff?
19:36.09ljp_workhttp://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/
19:36.17chouimatmrwoody: yup :)
19:36.52TwiunJasonNJ: wtr to smegma... ever heard the phrase "Smeghead"? From the popular Red Dwarf UK series :)
19:37.23mrwoodychouimat: hmm...
19:37.29ljp_workhttp://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=redneck&url=http%3A%2F%2Fopie.handhelds.org
19:38.55ljp_workhttp://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=hckr&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openzaurus.org%2Foz_website%2Fcontent%2Fnews
19:39.13chouimatmrwoody: huh?
19:46.31chouimatljp_work: what that?
19:46.43ljp_workbored fun
19:49.35chouimatljp_work: try slashdot.org with the moron dialect :)
19:51.19chouimathttp://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=moron&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kdevelop.org
19:53.15kergothhmm
19:54.00chouimatkergoth: ?
19:54.13kergothchouimat: sick of touchscreens
19:56.18JasonNJwhoa simcity 4000 came out today
19:57.53chouimatJasonNJ: what new in it?
20:07.24badlchouimat: totally 3d
20:07.57chouimatbadl: only that
20:08.25badlwell i guess there must be other small additions.. but simcity is simcity ;)
20:09.20badlhttp://simcity.ea.com/
20:11.05kergothgrr
20:13.05mrwoodywell the screens are quite different from the first version of simcity(the last one that i played with)
20:14.53chouimatARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGG! Celine Dion and Shanya Twain are on the next superbowl
20:15.06Dessimat0rI am aqquiring Sim City, 30% is done already ;)
20:16.38Dessimat0r30% on my way to Electronics Boutique .. ahem ;)
20:19.44Twiunlol 'acquiring' used to mean obtaining by less than legit means...
20:19.56Twiunjust say you're buying it :)
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20:27.10paperinucciociao
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20:31.07paperinucciois this a OS
20:33.00paperinucciocould you tell me something this openzaurus please
20:33.20paperinucciofor example which architecture
20:33.23paperinuccioPC
20:33.29chouimat|nappaperinuccio: www.openzaurus.org
20:33.42paperinuccioi'm looking
20:33.48paperinucciobut tell me more
20:34.06chouimat|napwww.zaurus.com
20:36.46paperinuccioso it's an Os for palm?
20:36.56badlwtf?
20:37.03badlits an OS for the sharp Zaurus
20:37.06chouimat|nappaperinuccio: it's a linux distrbution for the sharp Zaurus
20:37.27paperinucciothanks
20:37.53paperinucciobye
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20:47.08marksome people...
20:47.21chouimat|napmark: hmmm?
20:47.24hardwireyeah
20:47.29markchouimat|nap: paperinuccio
20:47.42badlheh
20:47.52kergothaw, i wasnt here to abuse the ignorant :(
20:48.01kergother
20:48.10jmhodgeshehe
20:48.24markkergoth: evil :P
20:49.54jmhodgeskfc makes me sick just walking into the bldg :)
20:50.31badljmhodges: stick to McDonalds ;)
20:50.38jmhodgeslol
20:50.47jmhodgesbk man bk ;)
20:51.06badlohh the "BK Lounge"
20:51.37kergothhm
20:51.51kergothhehe
20:51.54jmhodgeslol
20:52.03badlbitkeeper cross my mind too
20:52.08jmhodgesyeah should have made that distinction :)
20:52.27jmhodgeslol
20:52.34badlwarez? you mean shareware right?
20:52.39jmhodgesone hell of a nap chouimat|nap :)
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20:53.08chouimat|napjmhodges: :P
20:53.26chouimat|napI try but the fucking phone doesn't stop ringin
20:53.33jmhodgeshehehe
20:53.39kergothbah, at least you can nap
20:53.42kergothworking at home bastards
20:53.51kergoth:)
20:54.07badljust take a nap under your desk kergoth
20:54.16chouimat|napkergoth: and I can also fight with my cat and watch porn on working hours
20:54.25kergoth~fishslap chouimat|nap
20:54.29ACTION slaps chouimat|nap up side the head with a wet fish.
20:54.30kergothbadl: hah, theres an idea
20:54.33jmhodgeshehe
20:54.37chouimat|nap~lart kergoth
20:54.45jmhodgeshey my freedom is up when school starts on the 13th
20:54.46jmhodgeshehe
20:55.49kergothfreedom? whats that?
20:56.30jmhodges:-P
20:56.34jmhodgesstaying at home
20:56.51jmhodgeswith your tv 30 degrees to the right of your comp monitor
20:57.10jmhodgesyes ive decided to be exceptionally lazy for my last few days of break ;)
20:57.47JasonNJman 802.11G routers are 140 bucks now
20:58.04jmhodgesJasonNJ: nice :)
20:58.05JasonNJI just preorderted the new linksys
20:58.10chouimat|napjmhodges: an ATI TV Wonder do a very good job
20:58.12lsmithi so fucking hate the fact that i just got a new wlan router
20:58.21jmhodgeschouimat|nap: hehehe true
20:58.31jmhodgesbut i like chatting adn playing Metroid Prime at the same time
20:58.36Twiunlsmith: return it?
20:58.59lsmithit was 2 months ago
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20:59.03Twiunah
21:01.11JasonNJneeded a new access point to go with my new 17 inch powerbook I am going to preorder
21:01.39TwiunJasonNJ: any worn out hardware you want to dispose of across the pond?
21:01.46JasonNJlol
21:04.17JasonNJ4pm, Jason does the Dew
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21:04.27lsmithi was planning on getting a new powerbook too
21:04.46lsmithbut now it looks pretty horrible, with my largest client not paying his bills
21:04.48icefoxTwiun: if you would like a Abit motherboard with a celeron 300a still works I am going to toss it
21:04.49lsmithgnarf
21:05.13kergothhehe. i have 3 of those 300a chips in my closet
21:05.14icefoxthere is minor charring near the floppy controller, but otherwise it is pretty good
21:05.18Twiunlol
21:05.18kergothdunno what to do w/ em
21:05.35lsmithmy co-worker wants to install a pc into this car
21:05.37jmhodgeshehe :)
21:05.39Twiunmight be more expansive to ship em than for me to find some locally :)
21:05.40icefoxoh and it looses 5 minutes a day
21:05.45lsmithi told him to hang on until i get my powerbook
21:06.05icefoxyah I finally am just going to toss it out.
21:06.10Twiunrunning the servers on my desktop just isn't right
21:06.25kergothgod i love ccache
21:06.39jmhodgesTwiun: hehe
21:06.44icefoxAs am I.  But I think I will end up buying it sense I am going to be hosting it 8 hours away and will want it to be a little more stable then my home built ones (and have raid etc)
21:06.46Twiunibot: kergoth is also the guy that loves ccache
21:06.48Twiun: cannot alter locked factoids
21:06.48Twiun: I give up, what is it?
21:06.48jmhodgeskergoth: lol
21:07.13kergothjmhodges: recompiling qt/e repeatedly, compile times under a minute or two
21:07.15kergothheh
21:07.19jmhodgeskergoth: dude!
21:07.20kergothgotta love it
21:07.22icefoxfor what?
21:07.24jmhodgesvery nice :-D
21:07.28kergothcourse i'm only changing one file over and over
21:07.36kergothso its just using the cache
21:07.37kergothheh
21:07.47kergothicefox: working on the touchscreen madness
21:07.56icefoxah, good luck
21:08.01icefoxat least you arn't testing....
21:08.26jmhodgeskergoth: hehe
21:12.48kergothugh
21:12.58kergothGOD i hate tech support
21:13.14jmhodgeslol what was it this time?
21:15.47chouimat|napok I found what I will do this weekend: an ebook handling package
21:17.54jmhodgeschouimat|nap: what do you mean
21:19.02icefoxchouimat|nap: sounds good, just rememmmber to take a look at all of the other e-book apps and reuse what they have made
21:20.46chouimat|napicefox: I want to converter from one format to another one txt->pdf, lit->pdf etc ...
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21:21.56chouimat|napicefox: btw clit source are available
21:23.09icefoxyou know where the source to the clit is?
21:23.12icefox!
21:23.31chouimat|napicefox: http://members.lycos.co.uk/hostintheshell/
21:24.48icefoxah cool
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21:27.49TheMasterMind1hi
21:27.59chouimaticefox: drm5 -> drm1 only work on windows if you have msreader
21:28.02TheMasterMind1no
21:29.01chouimatTheMasterMind1: huh?
21:29.23TheMasterMind1no
21:29.41TheMasterMind1:)
21:29.43TheMasterMind1whats new
21:29.44TheMasterMind1kergoth: sup
21:30.57kergothTheMasterMind1: I'm done doing ts crap today. sick of it. gonna relax
21:30.58kergothheh
21:31.18JasonNJMiller Time
21:32.16lsmithenough time to reverse engineer an sd module? ;-)
21:32.20JasonNJyou guys are talking about porting clit to zaurus?
21:32.36ljp_workhmm that might be a bit difficult
21:33.08chouimaticefox: the clit work well :)
21:33.45JasonNJwe could call it Converter UNiversal Translator
21:34.28JasonNJalright enough sophomoric comments for one day
21:34.46kergothits friday
21:34.52kergothyou can never have enough sophomoric comments
21:35.09chouimatJasonNJ: hehe
21:35.34chouimatJasonNJ: I'm doing a Universal Ebook handler
21:41.12ljp_work~lart #openzaurus
21:41.51kergothibot: lart me
21:42.43jmhodgesljp_work: whatas that?
21:43.54ljp_work86 degrees.. thats pathetic
21:44.13ljp_workisland of anguilla
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21:52.11JasonNJI gotta get back to the caribbean soon
21:52.17JasonNJSt Maarten was great
21:53.19ljp_workya me too
21:53.25ljp_workgood rum there
21:53.37tronicalhehe, always looking for rum :)
21:53.38ljp_workthe beach makes rum taste better
21:53.58ljp_workor maybe rum makes the beach taste better :)
21:54.07chouimathmm that format sucks
21:54.55JasonNJtronical: I collect rum.
21:55.24JasonNJI think I'm at like 40 bottles now
21:56.02ljp_workI collect rum also.. only thing is I always end up with empty bottles
21:56.09tronicalhehe
21:56.26JasonNJlately I have been drinking a lot of french rum from martinique
21:56.33JasonNJthe martinique stuff is really different
21:56.35prpplagueljp_work: got some mountgay?
21:56.50ljp_worknot at the moment
21:57.16JasonNJin martinique they make rum from cane juice not molasses
21:57.25JasonNJtastes totally different
21:58.46JasonNJ5PM
21:59.21kergothgod its only 4 here, and i'm stuck here till 7
21:59.24ljp_work~lart JasonNJ
21:59.35JasonNJwell dudes
21:59.36ljp_work7!?
21:59.39JasonNJits been real
21:59.52kergothheheh. later jason, have a good weekend
22:00.01JasonNJseeya l8r
22:00.06ljp_workstay out of the expansive rum
22:00.15kergothexpansive?
22:00.17kergothlol
22:00.18ljp_workexpensive even
22:00.43ljp_workya, man,.. expand your mind... drink rum
22:01.04ljp_workman what a boring day
22:01.24kergothagreed
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22:06.11ljp_workI'm not even getting spammed today
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22:14.10kergothBORED1
22:14.11kergothheh
22:14.15kergoths/1/!/
22:14.23ljp_work~lart kergoth
22:15.00Dessimat0rsomeone should staples their ballsack to their legs
22:15.03Dessimat0r*stapl
22:15.05Dessimat0re
22:15.06Dessimat0rlmao
22:15.40tux_mike_kerg: you aren't the only one
22:16.53tux_mike_pulldown
22:20.02tux_mike_god damnit.  acrobat doesn't work on this piece of shit... time to move
22:20.11chouimatBORED
22:20.58ljp_workyou guys shoudl play online chess
22:23.28tux_mike_i suck at chess
22:24.46chouimatljp_work: I have found twelve different ebook format, I wonders which one to support first
22:24.54markchouimat: adobe :0
22:25.21ljp_workhehe, ya, I looked into adding ebook to gutenbrowser,
22:25.27ljp_worktoo many
22:26.03chouimatljp_work: or we create a ebook format for the zaurus and do a desktop converter for it :)
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22:29.53ljp_workfile extension .zau and converts everything to text :)
22:30.51tux_mike_hmmmm
22:30.53tux_mike_damn.
22:31.07tux_mike_the philips tvs don't have 3:2 pulldown
22:31.32chouimatljp_work: need to support: links, image etc ...
22:31.52ljp_workascii
22:31.57ljp_work:D
22:32.19ljp_workimages are overrated
22:35.11chouimatljp_work: maybe a plugin based reader would do
22:36.21mrwoodychouimat: are you writin something?
22:36.40chouimatmrwoody: a universal ebook reader/converter
22:37.51mrwoodychouimat: cool... for what?
22:38.12chouimatmrwoody: the zaurus and kde, or you speak about the format?
22:38.32mrwoodychouimat: no... i speak about the purpouse! :-)
22:38.56mrwoodychouimat: where do you get ebooks?
22:39.21chouimatmrwoody: .warez.ebooks on the news server
22:39.42tux_mike_chouimat: what's on there?
22:39.45chouimatmrwoody: for fun
22:40.02chouimattux_mike: ebooks do download
22:40.19tux_mike_duh, how's the selection :)
22:41.19tux_mike_any harry potter available?
22:41.47mrwoodychouimat: what is wrong with the exisisting ebook reader?
22:42.11mrwoodytux_mike_: harry potter?
22:42.14chouimattux_mike: yup
22:42.33chouimatmrwoody: need 4 reader to read all the format I have ...
22:42.34tux_mike_cool.  any usenet server?
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22:47.09chouimattux_mike: alt.binaires.
22:47.16tux_mike_k
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22:51.54tux_mike_well, class time
22:52.20chouimattux_mike: alt.binaries.e-books
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23:00.44kergothyo umopapisdn
23:01.49umopapisdnhey kergoth, just read on the OZ site that you worked out the suspend/resume issues... cool! Looks like you guys are doing excellent progress!
23:04.44umopapisdnkergoth: Heard anything yet from Sharp Japan about the SD stuff?
23:08.59kergothnada
23:09.00kergothno news
23:09.08kergothand we're hung up on the touchscreen now. bleh
23:09.28umopapisdnkergoth: what's wrong with the ts?
23:09.49kergothit works, but the X values fluctuate too much, throws off calibration
23:10.03kergoththough it seems to work fine if i calibrate with the tslib calibrator, but not in qt
23:11.08umopapisdnsounds strange.
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23:11.29kergothindeed it is
23:11.48Dessimat0rif you have both the source for QT and tslib, then compare what happens during calibration
23:12.21Dessimat0r*tslib calibrator
23:12.36kergothyep, not much for other options
23:13.10umopapisdnkergoth: is it ALOT of code? (the calibration stuff)
23:13.20kergoththing is, our numbers at the lowest level are different from 2.4.6 to 2.4.19
23:13.23kergoththe values read fromt eh chip
23:13.37kergothwhich makes me believe theres a real problem, but tslib's calibration is more lenient
23:13.54kergothwhich is why i havent taken that particular approach yet, i'm trying to find the source of the odd values
23:14.06kergothunfortunately i dont have specs (in english), for hte chip in question
23:14.37umopapisdnkergoth: so you think something isnt' initialized properly or so in the new kernel then?
23:15.18kergothumopapisdn: something like that, but I've checked anbd triple checked the code, we're doing the identical things
23:15.27kergothumopapisdn: with the exception of possibly timing
23:16.06umopapisdnit's somewhat like having a blindfold in a darkroom with a haystack and you have to find the needle in it (with no specs), it sounds.... :)
23:16.17kergothpretty much
23:16.29kergoththough i do have a map (the old code)
23:16.46kergothbut the old map is written in gibberish (lineo spaghetti code) ;)
23:16.53umopapisdnhehehe.
23:18.08umopapisdnSometimes I really don't get it why some companies don't want to release the specifications for some chipsets.
23:18.58kergothumopapisdn: i have the specs on this one.. in a _scanned_ pdf, in _japanese_!
23:19.01kergothbleh
23:19.26umopapisdnahh.. so now you just have to take that crash course in japanese. :)
23:19.41kergothheheh
23:20.43umopapisdnbtw, who's working on the java mentioned in the topic of this channel, and do you know anything about the progress of it?
23:21.01kergothTwiun is
23:21.08kergothdunno the status
23:26.45Dessimat0rkergoth: there must be Zaurus users that are Japanese ;)
23:26.49Dessimat0rsomewhere
23:27.26Dessimat0rI'm sure we would attract some if we offered Japanese music to dl ;)
23:27.34tronicalhehe
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23:27.47tronicalDessimat0r: actually not a bad idea.. calling for help on a mailinglist might do...
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23:33.59chouimatkergoth: which document?
23:35.47kergothchouimat: tc35134af
23:36.16kergothtronical: well, the schematics for the Z for measuring pressure and everything match up with the diagrams int he specsheet, so thats good.
23:36.20kergothhehe
23:36.33kergothhavent found anything regarding how long it takes for the platest to stabilize though
23:38.08chouimatkergoth: the plugin design is near completion
23:38.15kergothchouimat: nice
23:40.01umopapisdnchouimat: what are you working on?
23:40.40kergothBORED
23:40.45kergothstuck here for another 1.5 hours
23:41.54chouimatumopapisdn: plugin based ebook reader/converter
23:42.46umopapisdnchouimat: opie-reader? or a new one?
23:44.07umopapisdnkergoth: hehe, still at work eh?
23:44.25kergothyep
23:44.30kergothdead, no calls
23:44.54chouimatumopapisdn: will support more format than opie-reader
23:45.08umopapisdnkergoth: oh, so you mean you miss taking those calls now eh?
23:45.15umopapisdn:)
23:45.47kergothwell no
23:45.53kergothsee the job sucks wheether i'm bored or not
23:46.01kergothat least now i can read a programming book
23:46.03kergoth:)
23:46.08[DrEvil]bleah
23:46.16[DrEvil]we just watch movies at work when there are no calls
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23:49.24kergothheheh
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23:49.33kergothmy boss is gone
23:49.36kergoththe rest of the dept is gone
23:49.37kergothits just me
23:49.51billytwowillykergoth: where do you work?
23:49.57kergothI should duck out early
23:50.10kergothbillytwowilly: digi international. serial communications company. work in unix tech support
23:50.24kergoth(digi international, aka digiboard)
23:50.50billytwowillyahhh, nifty. I'm surprised they keep you around;) They know how much time you spend on here and not working???;)
23:51.44kergothwell, who knows how long they'll keep me around
23:51.54kergothboss is anxious to get me to train people in the various things only i know
23:52.05jmhodgesheheh maybe they are looking to promote?
23:52.08kergothwhich isnt good, i love my job security ;)
23:52.11kergothhah
23:52.13kergothi dobut it
23:52.15kergothdoubt
23:52.22billytwowillyoh.. heh.. sorry. I thought your job was secure, so it would be ok to make a joke..
23:52.43kergothnp
23:52.51chouimatok if anyone have ebooks format description or better yet sample code, just tell me
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