| 00:00.00 | chouimat | kergoth: hehe |
| 00:00.37 | Dilb | kergoth: isn't disassembly protected by DMCA ? |
| 00:01.23 | Harlekin | anybody working with cvs in windows here? |
| 00:01.41 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: I found a really nice one |
| 00:01.42 | hobbs | I have. I'm not at present. :) |
| 00:01.43 | Dessimat0r | but its .xm |
| 00:01.46 | Dessimat0r | http://www.modarchive.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi/P/pix_love.xm |
| 00:01.47 | kergoth | Dilb: yeah |
| 00:01.48 | hobbs | er, that was for Harlekin. |
| 00:02.08 | chouimat | kergoth: today on a tv show about sex (with a sexologue) a guy asked if that was bad for health to do a blowjob after his boyfriend did a sodomy and eat a little of you know what .... man the face of the doctor ... priceless :) |
| 00:02.11 | hobbs | Dessimat0r: wow. large. |
| 00:02.20 | kergoth | chouimat: aha |
| 00:03.33 | Harlekin | hobbs: maybe you could help Microdim_Windows |
| 00:03.34 | chouimat | kergoth: or on the same show she asked how with add spice to our sex life, and my brother called and said: " A cactus and some tabasco sauce" |
| 00:04.08 | chouimat | s/our/your |
| 00:04.30 | Dessimat0r | http://www.modarchive.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi/P/pmpcintr.mod |
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| 00:07.15 | Dessimat0r | http://www.modarchive.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi/P/presque.mod |
| 00:07.21 | Dessimat0r | this is nice, soothing music |
| 00:09.21 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: sorry for the delay - doing other stuff - listening now... |
| 00:10.21 | AndyQ | kergoth: question for you - currently AQPkg does its own linking of packages and there are a couple of minor issues (such as upgrading packages with new files currently doesn't link the new files). |
| 00:10.44 | AndyQ | kergoth: now instead of doing the linking, do you think that using ipkg-link to do it would be a good or bad idea? |
| 00:11.02 | kergoth | AndyQ: remember, dont break familiar compatibility |
| 00:11.13 | Dessimat0r | ooh! http://www.modarchive.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi/R/rhythm.s3m |
| 00:11.17 | kergoth | AndyQ: ipkg-link is a OZ app atm, we should get it pulled into ipkg's ipk upstream, then yes |
| 00:11.18 | Dessimat0r | this is nice! |
| 00:11.22 | AndyQ | kergoth: ? doesn't familiar have ipkg-link? |
| 00:11.28 | AndyQ | ahhhh |
| 00:11.41 | AndyQ | kergoth: is familiars ipkg a binary or a script? |
| 00:12.31 | AndyQ | coz if its a scrip the familiar compatability is already broken |
| 00:12.39 | pb_ | AndyQ: it's a binary nowadays. |
| 00:12.50 | pb_ | AndyQ: used to be a script up to about familiar 0.5.1. |
| 00:13.21 | kergoth | yep. just get ipkg-link put in ipkg cvs on handhelds.org and included in the generated ipk, then we'll both have it |
| 00:13.36 | AndyQ | how do we go about getting that done? |
| 00:13.37 | kergoth | AndyQ: make it use ipkg-link if it exists, but keep the old link creation as a fallback, maybe? if it doesnt exist? |
| 00:13.56 | AndyQ | kergoth: good idea that shouldn't be hard |
| 00:14.53 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: don't like pix_love.xm |
| 00:14.56 | Dessimat0r | http://www.modarchive.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi/E/ether.mod < this is nice, slow, music |
| 00:15.48 | AndyQ | now bad |
| 00:16.06 | hobbs | another big one. |
| 00:16.17 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 00:16.42 | chouimat | http://www.flare.net/users/rgratton/sculpture.jpg |
| 00:16.53 | AndyQ | anyway Dessimat0r: your choice on the sound package - I'll rip it to shreds once you've decided :) hehe - say about 5-6 songs possibly |
| 00:17.01 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: look at that url |
| 00:17.02 | AndyQ | try to find smallish ones if poss |
| 00:17.13 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 00:17.18 | AndyQ | chouimat: lol! |
| 00:17.22 | Dessimat0r | LOL |
| 00:17.31 | Dessimat0r | nice.. er.. snowcouple |
| 00:17.33 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 00:17.35 | hobbs | I liked Paper Bird a lot. |
| 00:17.44 | Dessimat0r | yeah :D |
| 00:18.26 | Dessimat0r | reminds me SO much of bob's bad day tho |
| 00:18.51 | hobbs | Ether is nice, too, but seriously slow. :) |
| 00:19.16 | AndyQ | hobbs: its for playing during the game |
| 00:19.17 | Dessimat0r | http://www.modarchive.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi/E/evilthat.mod |
| 00:19.30 | AndyQ | you don't want to be distracted and relaxing stuff will help :) |
| 00:19.54 | hobbs | AndyQ: yeah, and I wouldn't like it for that. :) |
| 00:20.00 | Microdim_Windows | what is the password to log into the cvs? for anoncvs? |
| 00:20.01 | AndyQ | heh |
| 00:20.13 | Dessimat0r | hmm.. maybe that last one wasn't so good |
| 00:20.16 | Dessimat0r | started off good |
| 00:20.59 | hobbs | there goes the internet. |
| 00:22.01 | AndyQ | OK, I'm off - I'll trust Dessimat0r to pick some cool songs |
| 00:22.13 | chouimat | bye AndyQ |
| 00:22.20 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: remember I shall laugh like a drain if any are crap :) |
| 00:23.57 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
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| 00:25.01 | hobbs | Microdim_Windows: it's generally a good idea to try no password first, then 'anoncvs', then 'anonymous' :) |
| 00:25.13 | hobbified | modems r teh sux |
| 00:25.16 | Dessimat0r | http://www.modarchive.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi/E/extric8n.mod |
| 00:25.19 | zev | i'm having trouble with writing an oz image to a cf card |
| 00:25.38 | Dessimat0r | that one is SERIOUSLY cool :D |
| 00:25.46 | zev | the md5sums change if unmount/mount the card! |
| 00:26.10 | zev | does anyone know what might be going on? |
| 00:26.23 | hobbs | that's not a good sign, usually. |
| 00:26.42 | zev | no, i didn't think so |
| 00:26.44 | Dessimat0r | cf card > bin ? |
| 00:26.57 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:27.00 | zev | i'm sorry, what's that? |
| 00:27.01 | Dessimat0r | lol, actually, try a full format ;) |
| 00:27.09 | zev | ok, i could do that |
| 00:27.20 | zev | but it's fresh from the manufacturar |
| 00:27.21 | Dessimat0r | don't bin it just yet, hehe ;) |
| 00:27.37 | zev | oh, i see |
| 00:28.01 | Dessimat0r | zev: a format is always a wise thing to do upon recieving it |
| 00:28.08 | hobbs | kergoth: you sure it doesn't just call panic? |
| 00:28.15 | kergoth | hobbs: it does |
| 00:28.21 | kergoth | hobbs: just wondering what circumstances trigger it ) |
| 00:28.23 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:28.35 | sandman_ | kergoth: hey .. it was written by lineo .. |
| 00:28.39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:28.40 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm bored |
| 00:28.41 | hobbs | oh, I dunno. But it's usually a good sign that it at least tries to panic. |
| 00:28.41 | Dessimat0r | zev: you can't really trust the manufacturer to have formatted it properly ;) hehe |
| 00:28.42 | kergoth | good point |
| 00:28.48 | zev | alright |
| 00:29.21 | hobbs | Dessimat0r: extric8n sounds like pinball music. Or a runner-up for Outrun music. :) |
| 00:29.25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: how goes sd |
| 00:29.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: trying to figure out what needs changing to adapt it to function. found why it paniced, but havent traced its source |
| 00:29.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: this is kinda fun, though simultaniously a pain in the ass |
| 00:29.59 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 00:30.01 | kergoth | eh |
| 00:30.02 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:30.26 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: any heavy mod? |
| 00:30.33 | Dessimat0r | I'm still listening to http://www.modarchive.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi/E/extric8n.mod |
| 00:30.37 | Dessimat0r | its really good! :D |
| 00:31.00 | Dessimat0r | its not too slow, and not to fast, not too loud, either |
| 00:31.32 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: If you find a heavy one tell me :) |
| 00:31.33 | Dessimat0r | I'm off to (re)install Mandrake |
| 00:31.37 | Dessimat0r | with APIC disabled |
| 00:31.39 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 00:31.39 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 00:32.01 | Dessimat0r | http://www.modarchive.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi/E/ez_b20.mod |
| 00:32.07 | Dessimat0r | is a heave one |
| 00:32.11 | Dessimat0r | *heavy |
| 00:32.44 | Dessimat0r | could use some blitter effects |
| 00:32.49 | Dessimat0r | to make it really good |
| 00:33.18 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: hmm sfcave with that one :) |
| 00:33.23 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 00:33.39 | Dessimat0r | i want SFCave with http://www.modarchive.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi/E/extric8n.mod ! :D |
| 00:33.41 | Dessimat0r | its my fav |
| 00:33.55 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: or something like avenger or zaxxon |
| 00:36.56 | Dessimat0r | http://www.modarchive.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi/G/goingstr.mod |
| 00:36.57 | Dessimat0r | try this |
| 00:37.13 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: unforg1.it |
| 00:37.15 | Dessimat0r | really nice rhythm |
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| 00:37.27 | ljp | pizza night |
| 00:37.38 | Dessimat0r | chouimat: url? |
| 00:38.01 | zev | hey, Dessimat0r, i don't think the format worked |
| 00:38.23 | zev | i can't mound the card anymore |
| 00:38.33 | Dessimat0r | are you accessing it in windows? |
| 00:38.41 | zev | no, linux 2.4 |
| 00:38.42 | Dessimat0r | ah, i see |
| 00:38.44 | Dessimat0r | on pm |
| 00:39.02 | zev | ? |
| 00:39.23 | Dessimat0r | hmm |
| 00:39.31 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: it's metallica unforgiven one |
| 00:39.36 | Dessimat0r | why are you trying to flash from SD? |
| 00:39.41 | Dessimat0r | anyway |
| 00:39.47 | zev | i'm not |
| 00:39.52 | zev | it's a cf card |
| 00:40.09 | Dessimat0r | thats sd |
| 00:40.16 | Dessimat0r | - /dev/sda1 has 4 heads and 32 sectors per track |
| 00:40.21 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:40.29 | zev | oh, that |
| 00:40.31 | kergoth | sda1 isnt sd, its scsi |
| 00:40.35 | Dessimat0r | - /dev/hda is CF |
| 00:40.36 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 00:40.38 | zev | that's the scsi device |
| 00:40.42 | kergoth | which is how usb-storage works on the desktop |
| 00:40.49 | chouimat | hehe master of puppet as mod |
| 00:40.54 | zev | right, i'm not doing it from the zaurus |
| 00:41.19 | Dessimat0r | ask kergoth, he knows more about SD |
| 00:41.23 | Dessimat0r | I don't have any SD cardz ;) |
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| 00:41.29 | kergoth | eh? |
| 00:41.32 | kergoth | he just said he's using CF |
| 00:41.33 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: donwload master.mod |
| 00:41.34 | kergoth | not SD |
| 00:41.41 | Dessimat0r | ah yes |
| 00:41.43 | Dessimat0r | sorry ;) |
| 00:41.56 | zev | heh |
| 00:41.57 | Dessimat0r | the mods have made me dillusional |
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| 00:42.25 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: they did a version of one (metallica) and that sound like Ultima7 music |
| 00:42.28 | zev | which fs type should it be, btw, vfat or msdos? |
| 00:42.35 | Dessimat0r | anyway, I'm off to install Mandrake, before it gets too late ;) |
| 00:42.37 | Dessimat0r | l8rz |
| 00:42.39 | kergoth | zev: fat16. mkfs.vfat -F 16 /dev/sda1 |
| 00:42.41 | zev | c ya |
| 00:43.04 | zev | right, i know that |
| 00:43.27 | zev | but, which fs type to pass to mount? |
| 00:43.36 | kergoth | who cares? |
| 00:43.47 | kergoth | the vfat driver supports fat12, fat16, fat32 |
| 00:43.53 | zev | oh, ok |
| 00:44.00 | kergoth | and it handles the vfat table, aka long filenames |
| 00:44.06 | zev | still doesn't work though |
| 00:44.11 | TheMasterMind1 | what good debian package will compress and stuff gifs that i'm using on a website? |
| 00:44.13 | kergoth | 'doesn't work' <-wtf is that? |
| 00:44.15 | zev | after i format it, i can't mount it |
| 00:44.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:44.23 | zev | mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash/ -t vfat |
| 00:44.23 | zev | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 00:44.23 | zev | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.38 | kergoth | dunno what to tell you |
| 00:44.45 | kergoth | my cards work flawlessly |
| 00:44.45 | chouimat | zev: mkdosfs /dev/sda1 :) |
| 00:44.50 | zev | hmmm, ok, thanks |
| 00:44.50 | ljp | doesnt work usually means something is not operational :) |
| 00:45.01 | kergoth | you're always so helpful ljp |
| 00:45.03 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:45.15 | ljp | :) I know, especially when I am in th emood I am |
| 00:45.16 | chouimat | zev: check the partition type with fdisk |
| 00:45.23 | chouimat | should be 6 |
| 00:46.01 | zev | it is |
| 00:46.20 | chouimat|Away | brb |
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| 00:50.07 | zev | hmmm, fsck.vfat reports Logical sector size is zero. |
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| 00:59.38 | ciaolinux | TheMasterMind1: why tinyx has not screens on openzaurus.org? |
| 00:59.47 | TheMasterMind1 | because no one has taken any |
| 00:59.48 | TheMasterMind1 | feel free to |
| 00:59.57 | TheMasterMind1 | start x and cat /dev/fb0 > file |
| 00:59.59 | TheMasterMind1 | and send me the file |
| 01:00.32 | ciaolinux | TheMasterMind1: well i have never tried tinyx... i was waiting for the screens |
| 01:01.01 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 01:07.13 | chouimat|Away | arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggggggggg |
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| 01:10.28 | HeatxSink | scanline: hello? |
| 01:10.48 | chouimat | kergoth: ping |
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| 01:15.47 | zev | crap, i reformatted the card in windows, but the md5sums still change when i umount/mount the cf card |
| 01:16.45 | kenb | BitKeeper remote shell command execution/local vulnerability |
| 01:16.52 | kenb | I knew there was a reason I hated it. |
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| 01:19.20 | Microdim_Linux | Cool my linux box is up and running... if you know what I mean :-) |
| 01:19.44 | Microdim_Windows | Yeah I know what you mean :-D |
| 01:19.49 | hobbs | If by "up and running" you mean "up and running", then I know what you mean. |
| 01:19.54 | hobbs | otherwise, I don't. :) |
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| 01:21.16 | chouimat | hobbs: he means that his box stand up and it's running outside in the rain :) |
| 01:28.20 | Microdim_Linux | hobbs: could you help get into the cvs, so i could get the crystal icons pics? |
| 01:29.09 | hobbs | Microdim_Linux: what cvs where? |
| 01:29.32 | Microdim_Windows | hobbs:":pserver:anoncvs@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs" |
| 01:30.08 | hobbs | what module? |
| 01:30.34 | Microdim_Windows | hobbs: co opie/pics -r crystal_branch |
| 01:31.00 | hobbs | okay, so cvs -d:pserver:anonycvs@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs co opie/pics -r crystal_branch |
| 01:32.43 | kergoth | i have my c700 |
| 01:32.56 | kergoth | this lcd is really nice |
| 01:33.58 | kenb | lucky. |
| 01:34.02 | hobbs | it sounds real nice. |
| 01:34.12 | kergoth | i'll be doing some battery life testing here shortly |
| 01:34.15 | kergoth | as well as performance tests |
| 01:34.43 | kenb | kergoth: did that arrive today? |
| 01:35.08 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:35.15 | hobbs | kergoth: how big is the battery, mAh-wise ? |
| 01:35.18 | kergoth | picked it up at the fedex warehouse today |
| 01:35.33 | Microdim_Linux | hobbs:ok I tried to login with my linux box and it says "cvs checkout: authorization failed: server cvs.handhelds.org rejected access to /cvs for user anoncvs |
| 01:35.34 | Microdim_Linux | cvs checkout: used empty password; try "cvs login" with a real password |
| 01:35.34 | Microdim_Linux | [microdim@localhost bin]$ cvs login -d:pserver:anoncvs@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs co opie/pics -r crystal_branch", how do login |
| 01:35.47 | kergoth | Microdim_Linux: -d: goes before 'login' |
| 01:35.53 | kergoth | Microdim_Linux: cvs -d:blah login |
| 01:35.53 | Microdim_Linux | oh ok |
| 01:35.55 | kergoth | Microdim_Linux: then |
| 01:35.59 | kergoth | Microdim_Linux: cvs -d:blah co blah |
| 01:36.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:36.11 | hobbs | Microdim_Linux: and you don't do co and login in the same command. :) |
| 01:36.18 | kergoth | the fucking buttons are so small |
| 01:36.21 | kergoth | cause its in 640x480 |
| 01:36.24 | kergoth | i can hardly tap on anything |
| 01:36.26 | kergoth | i keep missing |
| 01:36.44 | kergoth | ooo |
| 01:36.45 | hobbs | kergoth: sucks. you would think there would be a fatfinger option. |
| 01:36.55 | kergoth | the spiffy docs tab i heard talked about that was in the a300 |
| 01:37.10 | hobbs | what's spiff about it? |
| 01:37.12 | kergoth | man, opie needs to get on the ball with that |
| 01:37.38 | ljp | waaa waaa waaaa.. the buttons are too small on my c700.. waaa waaa waaa |
| 01:37.40 | kergoth | Spaceman_Spiff: you can view a list |
| 01:37.44 | kergoth | Spaceman_Spiff: or normal size icons |
| 01:37.51 | Spaceman_Spiff | kergoth: aah, that's good. :) |
| 01:37.52 | kergoth | Spaceman_Spiff: you select internal flash, cf, etc to see files on those |
| 01:37.53 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:37.56 | kergoth | we need that in opie bad |
| 01:37.58 | Spaceman_Spiff | nice. |
| 01:38.13 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:38.17 | kergoth | the icons are different |
| 01:38.21 | kergoth | not as good as crystal tho :) |
| 01:38.46 | kergoth | eek, qinstall still blows goes |
| 01:38.46 | Spaceman_Spiff | why does everyone love crystal so much? :) |
| 01:38.46 | kergoth | er |
| 01:38.47 | kergoth | goats |
| 01:38.48 | Microdim_Linux | hobbs: I am getting frusterating, what is the exact command? like what do I type in? and thank you for you help |
| 01:39.05 | Spaceman_Spiff | yes, you are getting frustrating. :) |
| 01:39.37 | Spaceman_Spiff | cvs -d:pserver:anoncvs@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs login |
| 01:41.41 | chouimat | kergoth: we need what? |
| 01:42.11 | Microdim_Linux | spaceman_spiff:how do I know if it worked? |
| 01:42.26 | kergoth | chouimat: better docs tab |
| 01:42.35 | chouimat | kergoth: yup |
| 01:42.46 | Microdim_Linux | spaceman_spiff:it asks me for a passwd I enter it in and it just goes back to the console |
| 01:42.47 | Spaceman_Spiff | Microdim_Linux: you'll be able to check out this time. :) |
| 01:43.05 | Spaceman_Spiff | Microdim_Linux: but you already know that the password isn't enter. it just told you that. |
| 01:43.33 | ljp | ssh-agent |
| 01:43.45 | Microdim_Linux | I know the password when it asks I put in the password and it just goes back to the console |
| 01:43.58 | Spaceman_Spiff | Microdim_Linux: okay... |
| 01:44.03 | chouimat | and me I need a new girl friend... . |
| 01:44.04 | ljp | opie uses key authentication |
| 01:44.12 | chouimat | .... the night are cold this month |
| 01:44.25 | ljp | you and me both, friend |
| 01:44.46 | ljp | my cats fine and all, but there's only so much she'll do |
| 01:45.46 | chouimat | ljp: just saw the 17 years old girl of last week at the grocery store today she was working and she want to see me again ..... damn! I don't think I will go back to that bar again .... |
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| 01:46.50 | ljp | why not, in less than a year she'll be ok] |
| 01:46.56 | ljp | :) |
| 01:47.04 | ljp | dont turn your back on love |
| 01:47.38 | chouimat | ljp: she will be 18 in 5 weeks ... and me I will be 29 ... |
| 01:48.02 | ljp | and thats a problem?! |
| 01:48.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:48.15 | ljp | unless you want her to be committed that is :) |
| 01:48.33 | chouimat | ljp: not really but I'm tired of one nighter |
| 01:48.59 | chouimat | kergoth: go to your favorite nudie bar :) |
| 01:49.00 | ljp | ya, you can only have so many of those until your wang falss off |
| 01:49.09 | ljp | falls |
| 01:50.33 | chouimat | ljp: hehe... it's like too much cake after a while you have enought and you're sick just thinking about it |
| 01:50.52 | ljp | too much frosting |
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| 01:56.59 | chouimat | ljp: or too much fastfood |
| 02:01.17 | kergoth | ah shit |
| 02:01.22 | kergoth | this has a jogdial, i didnt notice |
| 02:01.30 | kenb | heh |
| 02:04.04 | ljp | bah! who needs to scroll! |
| 02:05.31 | ljp | two turntables and a microphone! |
| 02:05.41 | kergoth | hmm |
| 02:05.51 | hobbs | ljp is where it's at. |
| 02:05.58 | ljp | dont get the newset stuff |
| 02:06.08 | ljp | he laments too much |
| 02:06.16 | kergoth | yea |
| 02:06.19 | kergoth | i like his old school stuff |
| 02:06.22 | kergoth | Loser rocks |
| 02:06.41 | ljp | although its good production wise.. its kinda boring |
| 02:16.39 | chouimat|tv | huh? http://sxpert.esitcom.org/projects/navsys/ <-I don't get it |
| 02:17.44 | chouimat|tv | ARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG |
| 02:17.57 | ljp | 'like a giant dildo crushing the sun' |
| 02:21.43 | chouimat|tv | ljp: nice quote ... |
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| 02:29.17 | sanaby | how do i set a password for fbvncserver? |
| 02:33.01 | *** join/#openzaurus Piete (~Piete@211.245.217.85) |
| 02:33.11 | Piete | hey guys |
| 02:35.11 | kergoth | hmm |
| 02:35.12 | kergoth | hey Piete |
| 02:35.41 | sanaby | any ideas? |
| 02:36.01 | kenb | ibot: bk |
| 02:36.08 | | methinks bk is see bitkeeper or under a really crappy license |
| 02:36.15 | kenb | ibot: bk clone |
| 02:36.17 | | kenb: i don't know |
| 02:36.21 | kenb | ibot: bk oz |
| 02:36.26 | Piete | kergoth: I'm going to install gentoo, but I need some info on making the zaurus work with 'usbnet'. |
| 02:36.43 | kenb | ibot: oz bk |
| 02:36.45 | | rumour has it, oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
| 02:37.25 | sanaby | or, how do i make fbvncserver only listen on 127.0.0.1? |
| 02:37.45 | kergoth | ibot: bk oz is <reply> see oz bk |
| 02:37.48 | | ...but bk oz is already something else... |
| 02:37.49 | Piete | hmm, why do everyone use bk? Why not one of the OSS alternatives (or do they suck?)? |
| 02:37.59 | kergoth | ibot: no, bk oz is <reply> see oz bk |
| 02:38.01 | | okay, kergoth |
| 02:38.04 | kergoth | ibot: bk oz |
| 02:38.07 | | i guess oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
| 02:38.19 | kenb | heh |
| 02:38.30 | kergoth | Piete: i hear svn is getting there, but every other alternative sucks. |
| 02:38.39 | kenb | ibot: bk clone is <reply> see oz bk |
| 02:38.41 | | kenb: okay |
| 02:38.49 | Piete | kergoth: cool |
| 02:38.50 | kenb | ibot: bk clone |
| 02:38.52 | | extra, extra, read all about it, oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
| 02:40.05 | Piete | ibot: lart piete |
| 02:40.09 | Piete | lol |
| 02:40.20 | Piete | later |
| 02:42.29 | kergoth | holy crap, this thing uses _8_ irqs for its keyboard |
| 02:42.53 | ljp | thats inconceivable! |
| 02:43.05 | Piete | O-O |
| 02:43.13 | kergoth | you keep using that word. Are you sure it means what you think it means? |
| 02:43.38 | Piete | kergoth: its stuck in his head, don't blame him :) |
| 02:43.46 | Piete | kergoth: It happens to everyone :P |
| 02:44.08 | Piete | in·con·ceiv·a·ble Audio pronunciation of inconceivable ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nkn-sv-bl) |
| 02:44.08 | Piete | adj. |
| 02:44.08 | Piete | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.08 | Piete | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.12 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.22 | kergoth | er |
| 02:44.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:44.29 | Piete | bwhaha |
| 02:44.48 | ljp | :) |
| 02:45.53 | Piete | man *8*?! |
| 02:47.01 | Piete | Anyone here user Preempt on their boxes? |
| 02:47.08 | Piete | s/user/use |
| 02:49.08 | kergoth | ibot: sfcave |
| 02:49.09 | | kergoth: are you smoking crack? |
| 02:49.12 | kergoth | hm |
| 02:49.14 | ljp | 'she's a melted avocado on the shelf' |
| 02:49.15 | kergoth | ibot: andyq |
| 02:49.17 | | andyq is, like, the guy who wrote AQPkg and the marvellous SFCave and his feed is at http://andyq.myby.co.uk/feed |
| 02:50.11 | ljp | isnt it way past your bedtime? |
| 02:50.14 | ljp | :) |
| 02:50.23 | Piete | ok, ljp, it uses *8* IRQs, what is that, a. unimaginable b. inconceivable c. <something else> |
| 02:50.39 | Piete | ljp: nah, its 11:50AM here :P |
| 02:51.21 | ljp | ahh |
| 02:51.32 | ljp | that would be b. |
| 02:51.52 | Piete | e2fsck -j /dev/ljp/brain |
| 02:51.58 | Piete | oops |
| 02:52.01 | Piete | mke2fs |
| 02:52.12 | Piete | yea, thats it :P |
| 02:52.35 | chouimat|tv | ~lart Piete |
| 02:52.45 | chouimat|tv | wow! I like this one :) |
| 02:53.06 | chouimat|tv | ~lart Piete |
| 02:53.14 | Piete | hah, that one is old |
| 02:53.22 | Piete | <Piete> ibot: lart piete |
| 02:53.22 | Piete | * ibot --purges piete |
| 02:53.27 | chouimat|tv | ~lart Piete |
| 02:53.43 | Piete | see |
| 02:53.50 | chouimat|tv | maybe ibot is delimiting is territory |
| 02:53.53 | Piete | ibot lart ibot |
| 02:53.58 | Piete | lmao |
| 02:54.22 | Piete | "ssh -l root ibot" "ipkg install larts.ipk" "exit" |
| 02:54.22 | chouimat|tv | ~lart Piete |
| 02:54.49 | chouimat|tv | ~lart myself |
| 02:54.59 | chouimat|tv | ~lart myself |
| 02:55.51 | Piete | ~ibrb |
| 02:55.52 | Piete | brb |
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| 03:01.05 | Piete | howdy Cloudchaser |
| 03:01.29 | kergoth | hm |
| 03:02.21 | Piete | ok guys, gtg (mom & pop's wedding aniversary) |
| 03:04.54 | Piete{afk} | sigh... I hate helping people with their petty computer problems :/ |
| 03:05.08 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:05.13 | chouimat|tv | need to find an appartment with a fireplace |
| 03:05.16 | Piete{afk} | I'm gonna buy one of those "No I will not fix your computer" t-shirts from thinkgeek |
| 03:05.28 | Piete{afk} | *awa* |
| 03:05.32 | Piete{afk} | away even |
| 03:06.30 | chouimat|tv | Piete{afk}: I need to find the following one: "The Man -- The Legend" and I let you figure where are the arrows |
| 03:07.22 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:07.49 | Piete{afk} | heh, I wonder if he got a nice 21" LCD :P |
| 03:08.15 | chouimat|tv | what is their max res? |
| 03:08.44 | Piete{afk} | dunno |
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| 03:09.28 | Piete{afk} | scanline: what did you get? |
| 03:09.33 | Piete{afk} | a nice 21" LCD? |
| 03:10.01 | Piete{afk} | OK, now I am really away |
| 03:14.10 | scanline | no, relatively cheap 19" CRT |
| 03:19.59 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:20.17 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: stop hmmmm every 35 minutes that anoying |
| 03:20.44 | chouimat|tv | by following the japanese instruction :) btw how much it's cost you? |
| 03:22.12 | kergoth | nothing yet. they're loaning it to me to assist in their jap->eng conversion and prep for sales in the us |
| 03:22.20 | kergoth | I only have it for a month or so |
| 03:22.37 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: lucky you |
| 03:22.55 | kergoth | stupid shell ipkg |
| 03:22.58 | kergoth | and symlink madness |
| 03:23.00 | kergoth | bleh |
| 03:56.06 | tux_mike | kergoth: sorry for any slowness on zelda |
| 03:56.10 | tux_mike | i'm getting kinoppix |
| 03:57.06 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 03:57.15 | chouimat|tv | zelda???? kinoppix??? |
| 03:58.14 | chouimat|ZZzzzz | night |
| 03:59.23 | kergoth | i see you baby. shakin that ass. |
| 04:00.49 | chouimat|ZZzzzz | kergoth: later |
| 04:00.55 | kergoth | night chouimat|ZZzzzz |
| 04:04.20 | chouimat|ZZzzzz | lol my cat is sleeping in the washing machine |
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| 04:20.16 | tux_mike | ugh |
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| 05:13.54 | kergoth | hrmmm |
| 05:15.06 | tux_mike | hrm? |
| 05:15.13 | kergoth | whee |
| 05:15.45 | tux_mike | ah |
| 05:16.00 | tux_mike | btw, i'm gonna download knoppix tomorrow |
| 05:16.06 | kergoth | cool |
| 05:16.20 | tux_mike | isp may go down tonight from now until 3 for an hour |
| 05:16.25 | billytwowilly | heh, anyone install windows xp before? I know this is off topic, but I have a quick question... |
| 05:16.46 | kergoth | Im updating opie's buildsystem. improving the config items and categorization, and adding functionality ... then add i18n file generation.. then I'll start adding c700 support to odevice |
| 05:30.04 | tux_mike | how are you gonna test c700 support? |
| 05:30.16 | kergoth | tux_mike: I have a loaner unit for a month to assist Dynamism |
| 05:30.27 | tux_mike | sweet |
| 05:30.41 | kergoth | its lcd display is amazing |
| 05:30.58 | tux_mike | they should give you a job :) |
| 05:31.15 | kergoth | hehe, i wish |
| 05:32.48 | tux_mike | or at least give you the c700 |
| 05:33.04 | kergoth | thatd be nice |
| 05:33.16 | kergoth | even if they dont, at least I get to check it out and see if its worth buying |
| 05:33.36 | kergoth | Ill do a lot of testing on it, battery life and stuff, and add the info to faqs on openzaurus.org |
| 05:33.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:36.14 | Piete | re |
| 05:38.00 | Piete | kergoth you lucky bastard! |
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| 05:40.06 | Piete | hey ||ugh |
| 05:41.33 | kergoth | hey ||ugh |
| 05:42.47 | Piete | kergoth: appart from the screen, how are your first impressions of the C700? (keyboard, ruggedness, weight, size etc) |
| 05:43.15 | Piete | s/how/what |
| 05:43.47 | kergoth | Piete: keyboard is verynice. size wise, its slightly thicker, and slightly wider (we're talking milimeters here), and is shorter |
| 05:43.52 | kergoth | so functionally its about the same size |
| 05:43.59 | kergoth | the lcd is really nice |
| 05:44.15 | kergoth | ruggedness, i'd say it feels the same as the 5500 there |
| 05:44.26 | Piete | awesome! |
| 05:44.54 | Piete | If the battery life is as bad as icefox says it is, that would be sad though :/ |
| 05:45.16 | kergoth | we'll find out |
| 05:45.32 | kergoth | i gotta throw op2 on here and run some music with the display on and off and stuff |
| 05:45.48 | Piete | kergoth: thanks, that would be really nice :) |
| 05:45.59 | Piete | kergoth: its not reflective, right? |
| 05:46.03 | Piete | (the screen) |
| 05:46.53 | kergoth | doesnt appear to be |
| 05:47.07 | kergoth | I'll try the thing in normal use at work tomorrow, see what hte feel is like |
| 05:47.11 | kergoth | brb |
| 05:56.17 | Piete | scanline: lol, guy in #gentoo whining because he got banned from picogui |
| 05:56.22 | Piete | #picogui even |
| 05:57.46 | Piete | scanline: he says he deserved it |
| 05:57.47 | Piete | lol |
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| 06:04.53 | scanline | Piete: heh, quarkquasar? |
| 06:05.06 | Piete | I think thats him |
| 06:05.16 | Piete | howdy hunger_ |
| 06:05.19 | scanline | Piete: he was spewing lines of "flood!" not long ago... the last of a long string of annoying floods he's done in there |
| 06:05.32 | kergoth | hey hunger__ |
| 06:05.39 | scanline | oh boy, now he's in #zaurus |
| 06:06.01 | Piete | lol |
| 06:06.44 | scanline | Mein Entereinigungsmittel wird verstopft. |
| 06:07.40 | scanline | Gummiducky hat explodiert! |
| 06:09.59 | Piete | My duck cleaning agent exploded clogged < scanline > Gummiducky! |
| 06:10.11 | Piete | lol, they should make babelfish a form of entertainment |
| 06:10.18 | scanline | google translations :) |
| 06:10.34 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.58 | scanline | Ich erlernte Deutsches vom google! |
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| 06:12.38 | Piete | Heh, ek kan dit regtig praat, en babelfish gaan jou nie help om dit te vertaal nie! |
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| 07:18.11 | Horwitz | morgen |
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| 10:18.43 | troffasky | hey it's geordieboozer! |
| 10:18.48 | geordieboozer | indeed |
| 10:19.29 | geordieboozer | bye |
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| 12:04.57 | frankps | hi |
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| 12:14.58 | dessimat0r | lo all |
| 12:15.24 | dessimat0r | I'm on Linux! :D |
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| 12:25.32 | dessimat0r | lo |
| 12:25.45 | HeatSink | hi |
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| 12:40.34 | ljp | and what do you think of linux? |
| 12:45.07 | HeatSink | Linux is good |
| 12:45.23 | HeatSink | X11 needs some improvement though! |
| 12:45.38 | HeatSink | X11 is stable but sucks! |
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| 12:46.05 | HeatSink | they need to design it to be more robust as far as screen resolution / resizing |
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| 12:46.49 | pb_ | HeatSink: what in particular are you having problems with? |
| 12:47.04 | pb_ | HeatSink: the XRandR extension takes care of resizing to some extent. |
| 12:47.19 | HeatSink | hrm... |
| 12:47.23 | HeatSink | never heard of that pb_ |
| 12:47.37 | HeatSink | I'll look into that |
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| 13:31.27 | Twiun | this is just ridiculous: http://212.100.234.54/content/6/28897.html |
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| 14:04.42 | icefox | Happy birthday to me :-D |
| 14:06.40 | Twiun | lol, happy bidet ben, how many is it? |
| 14:11.57 | icefox | 22 |
| 14:14.41 | schurig | icefox: C'mon, that's not a reason for a feast. Hey, if you ever get 100 ... THAT would be a reason :-) |
| 14:16.28 | icefox | true, but for me it is enough |
| 14:21.17 | Twiun | yeah, it means he survived his 21st |
| 14:21.53 | icefox | and I get lasania for dinner today :-D |
| 14:22.26 | icefox | haha it is funny what you look forward to on your birthday when you get older |
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| 14:25.49 | Twiun | yeah - I looked forward to blissfully nothing on my 25th :) |
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| 14:28.44 | Piete | hey guys |
| 14:30.06 | icefox | hey Piete |
| 14:30.16 | Piete | icefox: how are you? |
| 14:30.41 | icefox | good, its my bday |
| 14:31.05 | Piete | congrats :D |
| 14:31.14 | tronical | icefox: congrats! |
| 14:31.21 | Piete | Its my mom's bday too, and her wedding aniversary :) |
| 14:31.33 | icefox | fun fun |
| 14:31.40 | icefox | I think that was the only cool thing about AOL |
| 14:31.43 | Piete | (yes, she got married on her birthday) |
| 14:32.02 | Piete | probably cheaper that way :) |
| 14:32.13 | icefox | When I was on AOL for a month after I moved a few years ago one of the days was my bday and I got several dozen e-mails from other people who's bday it was alsoo |
| 14:32.26 | icefox | A jan wedding, yup |
| 14:32.37 | Piete | heh, cool |
| 14:32.58 | Piete | icefox: soo, what did you get? Anoither zaurus to decorate your desk with? |
| 14:33.25 | icefox | Lasania for dinner! |
| 14:33.28 | icefox | hehe |
| 14:33.37 | Piete | yumm |
| 14:35.16 | Piete | I can vaguely remember that the 5500 should work on 2.4.20's usbnet.. (right?), anyone know how to make it work? |
| 14:35.36 | icefox | patch |
| 14:35.38 | icefox | :-D |
| 14:35.43 | icefox | 2.4.21 will work out of the box |
| 14:35.47 | chouimat | back |
| 14:36.13 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:36.17 | Piete | wb chouimat :) |
| 14:37.15 | Piete | icefox: ah, ok :) I'm installing gentoo this weekend, and I want to use the 'gentoo' kernel sources, unfortunately that means that lots of patches won't work with it :/ |
| 14:37.33 | icefox | hmm |
| 14:37.38 | icefox | or just use 2.4.21pre |
| 14:38.34 | Piete | icefox: ok, thanks |
| 14:38.43 | *** join/#openzaurus JasonNJ (~perlowj@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com) |
| 14:38.57 | JasonNJ | morning kergoth. I heard from mitchy :( |
| 14:38.58 | Piete | heya JasonNJ :) |
| 14:39.12 | Twiun | oh dear... that doesn't sound good |
| 14:39.14 | Piete | oh no, a frown |
| 14:39.33 | JasonNJ | well, the good news is, the 5600/c700 kernel will be made avalaible, but later this month |
| 14:39.45 | chouimat | aa-sources development-sources mosix-sources sparc-sources |
| 14:39.45 | chouimat | ac-sources gentoo-sources openmosix-sources usermode-sources |
| 14:39.45 | chouimat | acpi-sources ksymoops ppc-sources vanilla-sources |
| 14:39.45 | chouimat | alpha-sources linux-headers ppc-sources-dev win4lin-sources |
| 14:39.46 | chouimat | ck-sources lolo-sources redhat-sources wolk-sources |
| 14:39.46 | chouimat | crypto-sources mjc-sources selinux-sources xfs-sources |
| 14:40.00 | Piete | chouimat: you just broke the tension |
| 14:40.01 | Piete | :P |
| 14:40.02 | chouimat | Piete: that form /usr/portage/sys-kerne; |
| 14:40.10 | JasonNJ | the bad news is... the agreements we signed with teh SD Org prohibit us from giving the SD card sources to 3rd parties, even if they sign an NDA with us. |
| 14:40.31 | Twiun | so we need some norwegian to reverse engineer it? |
| 14:40.39 | JasonNJ | in other words if we give it to the OZ team we go to jail. |
| 14:40.39 | tronical | JasonNJ: excellent!! (new 5600 kernel) |
| 14:40.51 | tronical | err, wait |
| 14:40.54 | JasonNJ | Twiun: that about sums it up. |
| 14:40.59 | tronical | bummer |
| 14:41.11 | Twiun | JasonNJ: no sacrificial business/manager kind of person you'd like to get rid of for 5 years? |
| 14:41.21 | JasonNJ | 'fraid not. |
| 14:41.23 | chouimat | JasonNJ: hmmm I very like NDA for crappy technology, since even my palm doesn't use the encryption thing |
| 14:41.26 | Piete | chouimat: yea, thanks |
| 14:41.27 | Twiun | ben would be about 27 when he'd come out |
| 14:42.10 | chouimat | hi Twiun |
| 14:42.22 | Piete | damn, does that mean no more updates of the Sharp ROM for the 5500? |
| 14:43.17 | JasonNJ | Piete: that is not necessarily true |
| 14:43.38 | JasonNJ | we have plans to release a developer rom that prototypes the 5600 environment |
| 14:43.54 | chouimat | JasonNJ: for the 5500? |
| 14:43.57 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 14:44.04 | Piete | still with 2.4.6? |
| 14:44.10 | JasonNJ | that is uncertain |
| 14:44.11 | chouimat | JasonNJ: fuck! I only have a 5000d |
| 14:44.26 | JasonNJ | chou: might be for 5000 also it depends on the constraints. |
| 14:44.34 | Twiun | chouimat: now, now, none of the language :) |
| 14:44.55 | chouimat | Twiun: ok I will swear in french then :) |
| 14:45.07 | JasonNJ | the last alpha 5600 rom on 5500 prototype we did ran a 2.4.6 but I am trying to convince them to use OZs' new kernel |
| 14:45.17 | Piete | chouimat: yea "JasonNJ: *beeeeep* I only have a 5000d" would have been more appopriate :P |
| 14:45.20 | JasonNJ | this way, THEY can compile an SD module |
| 14:45.40 | icefox | hey |
| 14:45.53 | JasonNJ | Piete: in all honesty the 5000D owners are better served with OZ. |
| 14:46.01 | Piete | JasonNJ: agreed |
| 14:46.02 | Twiun | JasonNJ: we're all rooting for you :) |
| 14:46.07 | chouimat | JasonNJ: If you succeed I think we will giving a big wet kiss for xmas |
| 14:46.14 | Piete | JasonNJ: I'll be crossing my fingers |
| 14:47.00 | JasonNJ | what you guys need to understand though, its not a matter of us not WANTING to do these things, it has to do with time constraints, labor involved, etc |
| 14:47.38 | JasonNJ | a lot of this stuff is much better served by the OSS community and the OZ/OPIE efforts |
| 14:48.28 | Piete | who knows, maybe kergoth gets the binary module working in 2.4.19... |
| 14:48.57 | chouimat | Piete: or we find an norwegian to reverse it |
| 14:49.01 | JasonNJ | that would be a nice option. |
| 14:49.07 | Piete | chouimat: lol |
| 14:49.33 | chouimat | Piete: I know that I can reverse it here but only for my education and my own use |
| 14:49.43 | JasonNJ | chou: get Jon Johannsen to do it |
| 14:50.13 | Piete | chouimat: can't you 'accidentally' let a disk containing it fall out of your window? you know, freak accident |
| 14:50.13 | chouimat | JasonNJ: I love the canadian about reverse eng. :) |
| 14:50.21 | chouimat | Piete: hehe |
| 14:50.35 | Piete | brb |
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| 14:53.31 | kenb | so flip a copy to someone in canada... |
| 14:54.40 | ciaolinux | morning |
| 14:56.54 | ciaolinux | ibot: slashdot |
| 14:56.58 | chouimat | lol from a onlinestore' hard disk description: average seek time: 9.5 minutes,18 minutes |
| 14:58.00 | Twiun | lol |
| 14:58.27 | Twiun | thank god for the E&OE page trailers for stores |
| 14:59.03 | chouimat | Twiun: hi I search and hdd with an everage seek time below 1 minutes please |
| 14:59.50 | Twiun | chouimat: Error: database crashed |
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| 15:03.57 | Piete | lol chouimat |
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| 15:05.48 | Piete | hmm, can't you reverse engineer it os/2 style? Some people seperated from others, examine it, and another group write a driver based on the specs? |
| 15:06.23 | Piete | brb |
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| 15:12.47 | Piete | re |
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| 15:15.14 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 15:15.46 | Piete | howdy Harlekin |
| 15:16.25 | Twiun | hey Harlekin |
| 15:16.27 | Piete | Harlekin: while you were out; <JasonNJ> the bad news is... the agreements we signed with teh SD Org prohibit us from giving the SD card sources to 3rd parties, even if they sign an NDA with us. |
| 15:17.29 | Harlekin | Piete: i dont care that much about sd .-) |
| 15:17.40 | schurig | Piete: who signed an NDA with SD Org? Did this cost anything? |
| 15:17.40 | Piete | well, sorry |
| 15:18.15 | Piete | schurig: it should be in your chatlog,, scroll up a few lines |
| 15:18.49 | Piete | <JasonNJ> well, the good news is, the 5600/c700 kernel will be made avalaible, but later this month |
| 15:18.50 | Piete | <JasonNJ> the bad news is... the agreements we signed with teh SD Org prohibit us from giving the SD card sources to 3rd parties, even if they sign an NDA with us. |
| 15:18.57 | Piete | thats about all there is to it |
| 15:19.14 | Piete | schurig: the 'we' being sharp afaik |
| 15:19.24 | schurig | Piete: so Jason signed something? |
| 15:19.57 | Piete | no, sharp did, I highly doubt*he* did :P |
| 15:20.15 | Piete | JasonNJ: is from sharp |
| 15:20.31 | schurig | Piete: Ok, now even I got it :-) |
| 15:22.28 | schurig | Piete: so we just create some user group, let the user group sign the NDA and have a web-page where people join the UG and get the source code :-) |
| 15:22.46 | schurig | No one outside the UG will get the source ... ;-) |
| 15:23.35 | chouimat | wow! a penis mesurement contest in #zaurus between BigBoss and ljp_work |
| 15:24.05 | Piete | schurig: read again; <JasonNJ> the bad news is... the agreements we signed with teh SD Org prohibit us from giving the SD card sources to 3rd parties, ==>*>even if they sign an NDA with us.<*<== |
| 15:24.22 | Piete | chouimat: wtf, lol |
| 15:24.45 | chouimat | Piete: just check the log later |
| 15:25.09 | schurig | Piete: he wrote "we", so people inside Sharp have access. The same would be true for members of the user group. They don't have to sign something. If it's allowed to give the source to staff of the organization, then ... well, that could be used ... |
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| 15:51.49 | mickeyl | kergoth: ping |
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| 16:07.01 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:07.04 | kergoth | mickeyl: pong |
| 16:09.20 | schurig | ibot: hand a cup of steaming coffee to kergoth |
| 16:09.21 | | no idea, schurig |
| 16:09.32 | schurig | kergoth: ibot is of no real use ... |
| 16:09.50 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 16:10.20 | ljp_work | Sugar: make kergoth a long island ice tea |
| 16:10.25 | schurig | kergoth: by the way, mickeyl and I tested the new getsource perl script. I'd say it is time to let it replace the scripts/sourcetree* stuff ... |
| 16:10.40 | schurig | Sugar: do you want to kill kergoth? |
| 16:11.18 | kergoth | schurig: agreed, i've been using it for a while as well. do it. |
| 16:11.36 | mickeyl | kergoth: hi. is it me or is the path to the cross-gdb wrong? my ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu has no crossgdb directory. |
| 16:12.17 | schurig | mickeyl: Hmm, I (or someone else) should update packages/gdb. There's a newer version of gdb available since a week or so |
| 16:12.19 | JasonNJ | kergoth: morning. |
| 16:12.32 | JasonNJ | this SD thing is gonna be a royal pain in the ass. |
| 16:13.03 | mickeyl | schurig: true that, however I meant cross-gdb, not gdb |
| 16:13.15 | schurig | mickeyl: what's the difference? |
| 16:13.17 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yep |
| 16:13.26 | kergoth | mickeyl: it shouldnt use $(Name) in the Sources |
| 16:13.30 | kergoth | mickeyl: s/$(Name)/gdb/; |
| 16:13.37 | mickeyl | kergoth: aha. shall i fix it? |
| 16:13.42 | kergoth | mickeyl: feel free |
| 16:13.49 | mickeyl | kergoth: will do |
| 16:14.05 | kergoth | schurig: I think one of the next things to add to buildroot |
| 16:14.15 | kergoth | schurig: is handling seperate source tree vs build tree |
| 16:14.19 | mickeyl | schurig: well, it's packages/gdb versus packages/crossgdb |
| 16:14.30 | mickeyl | schurig: it's the remote gdb stub |
| 16:14.55 | schurig | kergoth: Hmm, that will bring changes to all packages/*/Makefile ... |
| 16:15.10 | schurig | kergoth: why do you think this is important? |
| 16:15.23 | kergoth | schurig: i.e. we cant build both gdb and cross-gdb in the same buidl right now. |
| 16:15.31 | schurig | mickeyl: is a remote-gdb-stub the same as gdb-server? |
| 16:15.32 | kergoth | schurig: the tar extraction.. they'll use the same SourceTree |
| 16:18.39 | mickeyl | schurig: it is, but that's not what cross-gdb is cross-gdb is just gdb for the build system |
| 16:19.00 | mickeyl | schurig: packages/gdb is gdb for arm |
| 16:19.30 | mickeyl | schurig: gdb-server is included in packages/gdb |
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| 16:27.02 | kergoth | hey andy, dave |
| 16:27.11 | AndyQ | hey kergoth |
| 16:27.15 | AndyQ | hey everyone |
| 16:27.24 | schurig | kergoth: I "bk push"ed the change, everybody will now use getsource. We can later change it & the makefile system so that it automatically downloads if the SOURCES line changes... and maybe even the untagged CVS sources. |
| 16:27.32 | schurig | AndyQ: hi you |
| 16:27.55 | kergoth | schurig: yeah, i was thinking about that too |
| 16:28.08 | schurig | kergoth: btw, do you use the patcher? |
| 16:28.14 | kergoth | schurig: havent had time to play with it |
| 16:29.12 | schurig | I use it all the time to create patches. It does all for me. tar xvzf something, cd something, patcher somefile, patcher -r and voila, in .patcher/*.patch I have the diff -p1 formatted patch with all my changes |
| 16:29.57 | schurig | Previously, I always extracted the tar file twice and did an diff -urN, was way more typing. |
| 16:31.19 | kergoth | nice, I better start using it :) |
| 16:35.07 | AndyQ | hows things going? |
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| 16:37.30 | kergoth | not bad, working on opie's buildsystem |
| 16:38.33 | AndyQ | kergoth did you get the mmc/sd driver going last night? |
| 16:39.00 | mickeyl | kergoth: any objection to a small patch to libts-0.0? it's still trying to use its own libtool on my system. a simple oneline "ln -s $(STAGING_DIR)/bin/libtool" would cure this for my system and doesn't break anything else. |
| 16:39.09 | mickeyl | packages/tslib/Makefile even |
| 16:39.11 | kergoth | AndyQ: nope. pb pointed out i can use objcopy to rename the symbols to get it to call wrapper functions, so it shouldnt be a problem |
| 16:39.29 | kergoth | mickeyl: no, i would prefer passing the proper libtool path in |
| 16:39.33 | kergoth | mickeyl: does its makefile use LIBTOOL? |
| 16:39.39 | kergoth | mickeyl: most do. if not, patch it to do so |
| 16:40.11 | mickeyl | kergoth: the problem is we're calling autoconf and I hesitate to look into m4 macros... |
| 16:40.21 | kergoth | mickeyl: ? |
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| 16:40.40 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:40.54 | kergoth | mickeyl: autoconf generated makefiles use LIBTOOL env |
| 16:40.57 | kergoth | mickeyl: pass it in |
| 16:41.10 | mickeyl | kergoth: oh do they? cool, trying... |
| 16:42.04 | mickeyl | btw... the discrepancy between tslib and libts is making my crazy :)) |
| 16:42.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:42.20 | kergoth | just rename the packages/ dir |
| 16:42.32 | kergoth | but people generally refer to it as tslib |
| 16:42.46 | kergoth | though the packaging is libts per debian package naming convention :) |
| 16:42.58 | mickeyl | kergoth: yep, this is what i thought :) |
| 16:43.17 | kergoth | i _always_ think the sourcetree is tslib |
| 16:43.24 | kergoth | cd build/tslib<tab><tab> *curse* |
| 16:43.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:44.00 | icefox | can qtreader also read pdb files? |
| 16:44.21 | Harlekin | yes |
| 16:44.22 | treke | some |
| 16:44.26 | Harlekin | some |
| 16:44.40 | Harlekin | at least opie-reader does |
| 16:45.13 | mickeyl | kergoth: hehe :) |
| 16:45.20 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah - passing LIBTOOL really helps :) |
| 16:45.26 | mickeyl | kergoth: bk pushing this now |
| 16:45.36 | kergoth | mickeyl: great |
| 16:53.45 | mickeyl | kergoth: what can i do to fix a takepatch: BitKeeper/deleted/SCCS/s..del-SourceMethod.pm~58dc222914b7ea22 is edited and modified; unsafe to overwrite. |
| 16:53.49 | mickeyl | ? |
| 16:54.07 | dessimat0r | hrm, there is no sound for any users |
| 16:54.12 | dessimat0r | I'll try root |
| 16:54.29 | AndyQ | lo dessimat0r |
| 16:54.30 | dessimat0r | lo :D |
| 16:54.33 | dessimat0r | I'm on Linux |
| 16:54.35 | dessimat0r | Mandrake |
| 16:54.37 | dessimat0r | hehe ;) |
| 16:54.39 | AndyQ | got a sound pack? :) |
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| 16:57.20 | ljp_work | ehhh who needs sound |
| 16:57.31 | AndyQ | hehe - me! |
| 16:57.54 | ljp_work | :) |
| 16:58.11 | kergoth | mickeyl: ci your changes |
| 16:58.14 | kergoth | mickeyl: or unedit them |
| 16:58.19 | schurig | mickeyl: some combination of rm file / bk unedit file / bk unlock file |
| 16:58.38 | kergoth | schurig: btw, i found out, when you accidentally edit a locked file |
| 16:58.55 | kergoth | schurig: instead of move, unlock, edit, move back, there's a bk check command that fixes it for you :) |
| 16:59.23 | dessimat0r | lol |
| 16:59.44 | schurig | kergoth: is the consistency check not done all the time, e.g. when you bk pull or bk push? |
| 17:00.30 | mickeyl | schurig/kergoth: rm'ing and then unlocking did it. thanks |
| 17:01.58 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 17:04.44 | tronical | hm, anyone tried a fresh ozbuild for Z lately? |
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| 17:12.20 | kergoth | not in some time |
| 17:13.45 | kergoth | weird |
| 17:25.12 | dessimat0r | god... the mandrake setup is so crap |
| 17:25.14 | dessimat0r | full of bugs |
| 17:25.27 | dessimat0r | one on screen, i had to use tab |
| 17:25.30 | dessimat0r | to get to the button |
| 17:25.34 | dessimat0r | since it wasn't showing |
| 17:25.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:25.58 | dessimat0r | but that was on the expert setup ;) |
| 17:26.11 | dessimat0r | even some experts couldn't have figured that one out |
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| 17:34.08 | kergoth | icefox: ping |
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| 17:48.48 | hardwire | http://bastard.bogomip.com/nychus/site1/ <- good/bad design? |
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| 17:49.45 | bipolar | hardwire: looks cool |
| 17:49.55 | hardwire | anything not look right? |
| 17:50.24 | bipolar | hardwire: All I see is the big logo in the upper right and a non-funtioning menu |
| 17:50.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:51.49 | hardwire | bipolar: heh.. well.. ooooooooobvious! |
| 17:54.32 | bipolar | heh |
| 17:55.08 | hardwire | reload.. heh.. is the addition a "good" thing? |
| 17:55.45 | bipolar | as long as it's a helocopter company, yeah :) |
| 17:56.22 | hardwire | heh.. ok |
| 17:56.44 | supermatt | if it's not a helicopter company I recommend something cuter like a rabbit ;) |
| 17:57.41 | ljp_work | hmm funny you mention helicopter.. one just now flew overhead |
| 17:57.54 | ljp_work | weird, man |
| 17:59.58 | bipolar | ljp_work: Yeah... that ones mine.... I gotta tell him to keep the silent drive on. |
| 18:00.13 | supermatt | was it being flown by a giant rabbit? |
| 18:00.35 | bipolar | supermatt: no... that one is hardwire's |
| 18:00.56 | hardwire | giant rabbit? |
| 18:01.08 | bipolar | supermatt: I hire migets to fly mine. |
| 18:01.18 | hardwire | thats a bad investment |
| 18:01.27 | supermatt | need less food |
| 18:01.41 | bipolar | hardwire: They are easier to bury when they piss me off |
| 18:01.47 | supermatt | that too |
| 18:02.25 | AndyQ | hehe - what are you guys on :) |
| 18:02.34 | supermatt | perhaps we are off topic |
| 18:02.51 | bipolar | Also, my chopers are really small... it makes them look further away then they are. |
| 18:03.00 | AndyQ | nah - helicopters and OZ going hand in like - just like well jelly and curry |
| 18:03.12 | supermatt | and what of giant bunnies? |
| 18:03.38 | AndyQ | hey - giant bunnies are always on topic |
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| 18:03.42 | bipolar | supermatt: giant bunnys look cute... they can eaisly disarm people |
| 18:03.43 | AndyQ | just like singing kittens |
| 18:03.46 | supermatt | woot |
| 18:04.19 | supermatt | 4 piece punk kitten bands rock |
| 18:04.25 | AndyQ | yup - so cool! |
| 18:04.27 | bipolar | hardwire: they drive your tanks, right? |
| 18:04.39 | hardwire | bipolar: my giant mechanical rats.. |
| 18:04.43 | AndyQ | also sining midlands kittens rock |
| 18:04.46 | bipolar | oh.... yeah |
| 18:04.48 | AndyQ | singing |
| 18:05.01 | supermatt | they do they do |
| 18:05.04 | AndyQ | OK, bbl |
| 18:05.29 | supermatt | hehe |
| 18:06.09 | ljp_work | mostly the blues |
| 18:06.19 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:06.24 | bipolar | ljp_work: I bet you impress all the ladies..... and some men... |
| 18:07.39 | bipolar | I have a growling stomich |
| 18:07.46 | bipolar | it's asking for food |
| 18:08.18 | bipolar | hardwire: perhaps they are talking to each other in another language? |
| 18:08.35 | hardwire | growleze |
| 18:08.56 | hardwire | bipolar: thats part of being bipolar |
| 18:09.09 | bipolar | HaHaHaHaHa |
| 18:09.18 | hardwire | ? |
| 18:09.26 | supermatt | :) |
| 18:09.32 | hardwire | I suppose I should cut up the pic now and make content happen |
| 18:09.33 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:09.53 | hardwire | is it appropriate to be able to use transparent pngs? |
| 18:09.58 | bipolar | sorta like watching "Signs" last night. That was both scary.... and not.... |
| 18:09.59 | hardwire | in web pages now |
| 18:09.59 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:10.04 | hardwire | or is that still a useless nono |
| 18:10.14 | bipolar | hardwire: works here. |
| 18:10.38 | hardwire | all those who can see transparent pngs with arbitrary alpha levels.. say I |
| 18:10.44 | bipolar | I |
| 18:10.51 | mickeyl | re |
| 18:11.07 | hardwire | hmm.. it is time to make it mainstream! |
| 18:13.00 | kergoth | re mickeyl |
| 18:13.02 | bipolar | hardwire: just put a note on there that tells them how much their browser sucks |
| 18:13.18 | hardwire | easy |
| 18:13.30 | hardwire | make a 99% transparent gif that says "Youre browser sucks" |
| 18:13.33 | kergoth | sweet, thers a lkc language doc in current lkc |
| 18:13.38 | bipolar | hahahaha |
| 18:13.40 | hardwire | Your even |
| 18:13.45 | hardwire | err |
| 18:13.47 | hardwire | transparent png |
| 18:13.57 | bipolar | that would be awesome |
| 18:14.01 | mickeyl | hardwire: lol |
| 18:14.02 | hardwire | heh.. will do |
| 18:14.07 | hardwire | anyhoot.. time to hit the shower |
| 18:14.52 | ljp_work | too much information |
| 18:15.06 | tux_mike | everything is tmi for you |
| 18:15.15 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 18:15.16 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:15.22 | kergoth | sfcave doesnt like the c700 |
| 18:15.23 | kergoth | hey this is cool |
| 18:15.31 | ljp_work | whatever happened to subpixel stuff? |
| 18:15.35 | Harlekin | sfcave does not like gcc3 |
| 18:15.35 | kergoth | somehow, the c700 picks up that aqpkg is a 5000d/5500 app |
| 18:15.37 | tux_mike | what's cool? |
| 18:15.38 | Harlekin | sfcave need an icon |
| 18:15.41 | kergoth | and it drops into some compatibility mode |
| 18:15.55 | ljp_work | interesting |
| 18:16.00 | kergoth | and rns it in what appears to be 320x240 |
| 18:16.01 | tux_mike | hrm |
| 18:16.05 | kergoth | but i dont see how thats possible |
| 18:16.05 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:16.10 | kergoth | man, its ugly in that mode |
| 18:16.23 | kergoth | i need to figure out how it detects that so we can run our existing apps in a normal res |
| 18:16.55 | tux_mike | i need to get me one of those |
| 18:17.02 | tux_mike | doom will rock on it :) |
| 18:17.11 | icefox | someone ping me? |
| 18:17.12 | kergoth | assuming its not slow |
| 18:17.15 | kergoth | i need to do some perf testing |
| 18:17.29 | kergoth | icefox: i did.. let me try to remember why |
| 18:17.38 | kergoth | ah yes |
| 18:17.55 | kergoth | icefox: any idea how to get into the maintainance menu on a c700? I cant read the japanese manual :) |
| 18:18.51 | tux_mike | kergoth: if you scanned it, i can try to decipher it... i may be able to get a loose translation |
| 18:19.13 | kergoth | tux_mike: I no longer possess a scanner. could take a crappy pic w/ my cheap ass digital camera |
| 18:19.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:19.28 | icefox | kergoth: haha hold on let me ask |
| 18:19.28 | kergoth | nah i can drop by a freinds house an scan that section |
| 18:19.32 | kergoth | sukoshi offered to get it translated too |
| 18:19.36 | kergoth | icefox: thanks :) |
| 18:19.55 | icefox | reset (slide door) p and d |
| 18:20.03 | kergoth | ha |
| 18:20.08 | icefox | that work? |
| 18:20.13 | kergoth | same as a 5000d/5500 debug combo? |
| 18:21.08 | kergoth | icefox: okay that worked for diags. how do i get into the menu that lets you flash and format? |
| 18:21.32 | icefox | one sec |
| 18:22.54 | icefox | format: slide door on/off push ok and on at the same time |
| 18:23.09 | icefox | try that |
| 18:23.18 | icefox | ok first |
| 18:23.19 | icefox | then on |
| 18:23.24 | icefox | very quickly |
| 18:23.31 | mickeyl | what 5500 debug combo??? |
| 18:23.57 | icefox | C700 and 5600 |
| 18:24.02 | kergoth | aha |
| 18:24.07 | kergoth | i cant read the menu either :) |
| 18:24.10 | icefox | that work kergoth? |
| 18:24.14 | kergoth | yea |
| 18:24.16 | icefox | cool |
| 18:24.52 | kergoth | wonder what foramt it expects the image in to flash it |
| 18:30.55 | JasonNJ | well, its in several peices. |
| 18:31.00 | JasonNJ | its like 5 files |
| 18:32.45 | tux_mike | god damn this is pissing me off. my phone just dies in less than a day |
| 18:33.43 | ljp_work | throw it out the window |
| 18:34.20 | tux_mike | i'm gonna bring it to the sprint store and start bitching tomorrow |
| 18:36.46 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 18:37.00 | kergoth | hey neo |
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| 18:37.38 | Neo|Work | kergoth: you got a C700? |
| 18:37.51 | kergoth | Neo|Work: on loan anyway |
| 18:38.15 | Neo|Work | and as for compat mode - it runs all apps in that mode unless you add something special to the .desktop file |
| 18:38.22 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ah |
| 18:38.23 | Neo|Work | it even works with my games etc I've heard |
| 18:38.26 | kergoth | Neo|Work: figured itd be something like that |
| 18:38.28 | kergoth | cool |
| 18:38.30 | Neo|Work | pretty nifty if you think about it |
| 18:38.38 | kergoth | definately |
| 18:38.43 | kergoth | aqpkg looks like crap in that mode |
| 18:38.44 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:38.54 | Neo|Work | does it run 320x240 or 240x320? |
| 18:39.19 | kergoth | it appears to run 240x320, regardless of current rotation.. at least, it did with aqpgk. i havent tested any games or anything |
| 18:39.41 | Neo|Work | why is qqpkg ugly then? |
| 18:39.45 | hardwire | blah |
| 18:39.46 | Neo|Work | if it's the normal resolution I mean? |
| 18:39.52 | kergoth | text appears jagged |
| 18:39.57 | kergoth | not certain why |
| 18:39.59 | Neo|Work | hmm |
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| 19:09.36 | tronical | hey Dilb |
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| 19:13.55 | JasonNJ | kergoth: z+d |
| 19:13.58 | JasonNJ | not p+d |
| 19:14.03 | JasonNJ | I think |
| 19:14.17 | JasonNJ | actually z+d may be specific to flashing |
| 19:14.24 | JasonNJ | p+d might still be diags |
| 19:15.50 | kergoth | ah yea |
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| 19:16.03 | kergoth | p+d is diags, on+ok is the maintainance menu that i cant read.. |
| 19:16.43 | chouimat | JasonNJ: what is diag on the 5000d ? |
| 19:17.02 | JasonNJ | p+d |
| 19:17.03 | Neo|Work | I didn't even know there's "diag" stuff |
| 19:17.15 | kergoth | p+d+full reset |
| 19:17.20 | JasonNJ | roght |
| 19:17.24 | JasonNJ | right |
| 19:17.26 | mickeyl | What's availabel in diag mode? |
| 19:17.28 | kergoth | of course you lose ram contents since you full reset, but its a suseful tool |
| 19:17.32 | kergoth | er useful |
| 19:17.36 | mickeyl | available even |
| 19:17.42 | kergoth | mickeyl: tests. can test the speaker, etc |
| 19:18.05 | kergoth | I used it to confirm my buzzer still worked after it stopped making sounds when i was screwing with that driver |
| 19:18.45 | ljp_work | thats what she said |
| 19:20.26 | JasonNJ | make -j5 ? |
| 19:20.30 | JasonNJ | whazzat |
| 19:20.38 | kergoth | JasonNJ: 5 simultanious make's running side by side |
| 19:20.51 | JasonNJ | ah |
| 19:20.53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: for SMP systedms, if you dont make -j, you dont generally take advantage of both cpus |
| 19:21.01 | kergoth | since a single process isnt split across them |
| 19:21.09 | JasonNJ | ah |
| 19:21.52 | kergoth | JasonNJ: when shit runs side by side like that, if the dependencies arent perfect, shit will run in the wrong order :) and b00m |
| 19:21.58 | kergoth | finally fixed opie to not do that |
| 19:21.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:22.35 | ljp_work | teambuilder or distcc |
| 19:22.56 | ljp_work | too |
| 19:23.06 | JasonNJ | so like, whens the next OZ beta? after the 2.4.19 kernel is usable? |
| 19:23.28 | JasonNJ | the ts shit still needs to be fixed right |
| 19:23.39 | chouimat | JasonNJ: maybe |
| 19:24.54 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yep, pending 2.4.19 |
| 19:25.06 | kergoth | JasonNJ: which needs 1) TS X values fixed, and 2) SDMMC |
| 19:25.08 | JasonNJ | got sick of 2.4.6 ? |
| 19:25.19 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I'm working on the sdmmc compatibility layer module atm |
| 19:25.21 | chouimat | hmm need to fix that caller id program |
| 19:25.22 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:25.32 | JasonNJ | really? you think you can get the old driver to work? |
| 19:25.33 | kergoth | so many problems in our bug reports will fix themselves, i hate to waste time on them |
| 19:25.44 | kergoth | JasonNJ: oh definately, just a matter of _time_ |
| 19:25.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:25.57 | chouimat | kergoth: no time_t |
| 19:26.01 | JasonNJ | how you gonna fool the kernel? |
| 19:26.02 | chouimat | :) |
| 19:26.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:26.19 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I used objcopy to rename the symbols in the module so it calls my wrapper versions |
| 19:26.35 | kergoth | JasonNJ: then those functions do whats necessary to addapt to new interfaces in the kernel, and call the appropriate respective kernel functions |
| 19:26.37 | chouimat | kergoth: eta for the wrapper |
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| 19:26.52 | JasonNJ | wow thats a major kludge, but cool if it works :) |
| 19:27.09 | chouimat | JasonNJ: don't stop pushing on your side |
| 19:27.12 | kergoth | chouimat: the blk_init_queue bug should be done in a sec, which should correct the oops i saw the other day. we'll see how bad it looks at that point :) |
| 19:27.40 | JasonNJ | chou: we have as much hope as john lee malvo has of not getting fried |
| 19:28.29 | chouimat | kergoth: I trying to remove HASP call from a window apps .... and it's boring. damn that code changed a lot from the 5.X series |
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| 19:29.40 | chouimat | people don't want to pay a 3000$/yr subscription but are willing to pay 3000-4000 to crack a software wtf??? |
| 19:31.31 | chouimat | JasonNJ: that sad, a poor guy getting fried just because he's a wacko and shot some people for the fun of it .... he's not even a terrorist .... |
| 19:32.04 | JasonNJ | yeah I feel real sorry for him, lol |
| 19:32.18 | chouimat | JasonNJ: :) |
| 19:32.41 | ljp_work | he is a terrorist. I call what D.C. went through is terror |
| 19:33.05 | chouimat | ljp_work: I was joking, a really bad joke |
| 19:33.05 | ljp_work | my daughter lives in that area and I am glad they caught them |
| 19:33.30 | ljp_work | ahh.. so you were... my bad |
| 19:33.36 | JasonNJ | ljp: how old is your daughter |
| 19:34.02 | chouimat | maybe ben ladden can take a lesson from him next time he wants to blow something ... |
| 19:34.22 | ljp_work | 13 |
| 19:34.50 | JasonNJ | I had no idea you were an old timer ljp :) |
| 19:34.52 | chouimat | ljp_work: mine would be 9 if my ex-wife didn't lost her before term |
| 19:35.10 | ljp_work | JasonNJ: do you remember meeting me in San Jose? |
| 19:35.11 | kergoth | someone do me a favor |
| 19:35.14 | kergoth | ls -l /dev/mmcda |
| 19:35.20 | kergoth | ah nevermind, /me cats the device table |
| 19:35.37 | JasonNJ | ljp: I met a LOT of people at san jose |
| 19:35.42 | ljp_work | of course, I am not as concerned about my daughter's mother |
| 19:35.48 | JasonNJ | I vaguely remember what people look like |
| 19:35.54 | chouimat | ljp_work: hehe |
| 19:36.19 | chouimat | ljp_work: same here my ex-wife I don't care about her, I only want my kitchen table back !!!! |
| 19:36.32 | ljp_work | first day, you were at the hotel desk when I checked in. |
| 19:36.46 | JasonNJ | ah ok... |
| 19:37.00 | ljp_work | you asked if I wanted to go eat, but I wanted to eat with that chick I was with |
| 19:37.13 | JasonNJ | yup |
| 19:37.23 | JasonNJ | did you end up getting laid? |
| 19:37.30 | ljp_work | nope :( |
| 19:37.35 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 19:38.25 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:42.16 | icefox | Quiz of the day, What is faster: QString a = b + c +d; or QString a(b); a+=c; a+= d; |
| 19:42.33 | ljp_work | first one |
| 19:42.40 | icefox | no |
| 19:42.52 | icefox | oh and a, b, c, d are all QString |
| 19:42.59 | JasonNJ | hey did you guys know the oil squeezed from orange peels is highly flammable? |
| 19:43.10 | ljp_work | did you time those? |
| 19:43.10 | tronical | += is always faster :) |
| 19:43.15 | icefox | the second one is actually faster because the first one creates temporaries at each step |
| 19:43.34 | icefox | JasonNJ: you mean the juice? |
| 19:43.35 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 19:43.47 | icefox | not as clean, but for fast loops |
| 19:43.59 | icefox | and complex object += is the faster way |
| 19:44.06 | JasonNJ | if you squeeze the the peel of an orange over a lit match, it combusts |
| 19:45.14 | icefox | Bought "Efficient C++" Excellent book. Teaches you all sorts of things to do with your C++ code to have the compliler optimize it |
| 19:45.26 | icefox | and what not to do so that the compiler doesn't add in all sorts of code |
| 19:48.09 | icefox | got is used on Amazon.com for $2.99. Best online purchese to date. |
| 19:48.13 | kergoth | chouimat: got past that particular oops, then it oopsed differently :) |
| 19:48.14 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe |
| 19:48.17 | kergoth | chouimat: wheee |
| 19:48.44 | JasonNJ | icefox: better than the $8 pans? |
| 19:48.59 | JasonNJ | those $8 pans rule. |
| 19:49.09 | kergoth | they still $8? |
| 19:49.18 | JasonNJ | dunno, lemme check. |
| 19:50.15 | icefox | hmm |
| 19:50.34 | icefox | ok on par with that |
| 19:50.45 | JasonNJ | nope, its up to $29 now |
| 19:50.59 | JasonNJ | and they are outta stock. |
| 19:51.06 | JasonNJ | you should have bought some when I told you to! |
| 19:51.39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:51.43 | kergoth | i was broke! :) |
| 19:52.32 | JasonNJ | dammit only 3pm |
| 19:52.35 | JasonNJ | I wanna go home |
| 19:53.00 | JasonNJ | hell I wanted to go home the second I got in the car this morning |
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| 20:00.13 | chouimat | JasonNJ: me too wanna go home ... |
| 20:00.27 | chouimat | .... wait I'm working at home .... I wanna get out of here |
| 20:00.53 | JasonNJ | damn telecommuters |
| 20:00.54 | JasonNJ | bums |
| 20:00.54 | victorvdl | chouimat: Go to work ;-) |
| 20:00.56 | JasonNJ | :) |
| 20:00.57 | kergoth | ack! |
| 20:00.58 | icefox | :-D I hope to never work from hom |
| 20:00.59 | kergoth | Trace; c002bab0 <__wake_up+0/dc> |
| 20:00.59 | kergoth | Trace; c004167c <unlock_page+8c/94> |
| 20:00.59 | kergoth | Trace; c00415f0 <unlock_page+0/94> |
| 20:00.59 | kergoth | Trace; c003df90 <do_wp_page+b0/394> |
| 20:01.01 | icefox | again |
| 20:01.01 | kergoth | Trace; c003dee0 <do_wp_page+0/394> |
| 20:01.04 | kergoth | thats a fucking ugly oops |
| 20:02.18 | kergoth | fuck |
| 20:02.24 | kergoth | this was 4 oopses in a fucking row! |
| 20:02.25 | kergoth | haha |
| 20:02.42 | kergoth | a unable to handle kernel paging reqeust, then a NULL deref, then 2 more unable to handle kernel paging reqeusts |
| 20:02.46 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:06.07 | kergoth | ah ha! |
| 20:06.14 | kergoth | okay, this time it oopsed in generic_unplug_device.. |
| 20:06.16 | kergoth | getting there |
| 20:09.20 | chouimat | kergoth: You can do it man |
| 20:13.30 | bipolar | kergoth: trying to get the SD driver to load in the new kernel? |
| 20:16.20 | Dilb | hi |
| 20:19.05 | kergoth | bipolar: yep. having to write a wrapper for certain functions |
| 20:25.23 | ljp_work | fugly hack |
| 20:25.51 | kergoth | yep, but whatever works |
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| 20:26.40 | kergoth | oh fuck me |
| 20:26.46 | ljp_work | no thanks |
| 20:27.18 | kergoth | its fucking oopsing in the fucking sdmmc request handler |
| 20:27.18 | kergoth | inside the sd module |
| 20:27.28 | lsmith | and i thought sex was good :-) |
| 20:27.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:27.43 | kergoth | this uskcs |
| 20:27.54 | kergoth | now i have to figure out exactly what the request handler is doing |
| 20:28.07 | kergoth | how i do that without treading in dangerous territory is another question |
| 20:28.10 | chouimat | kergoth: objdump :) |
| 20:28.26 | kergoth | chouimat: dmca :) |
| 20:28.34 | kergoth | END_OF_CODE+46a8c64/???? |
| 20:28.35 | tux_mike | woo. knoppix in 15 mins |
| 20:28.36 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:28.48 | chouimat | knoppix????? |
| 20:29.01 | tux_mike | kergoth: you need a front end in another country |
| 20:29.31 | tux_mike | unless you can get a job in canada and canadian citizenship |
| 20:29.39 | bipolar | kergoth: jason knows about that problem, right? |
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| 20:30.10 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:30.16 | gideon | hey |
| 20:30.21 | kergoth | 2105: 1a30: R_ARM_PC24 end_that_request_first |
| 20:30.27 | kergoth | wtf is end_that_requst_first i wonder |
| 20:30.29 | gideon | i'm having trouble with my new mmc 128 meg card. |
| 20:30.44 | gideon | i don't think it's mounting properly. |
| 20:31.18 | billytwowilly | heh.. my computer is slow as hell now.. I'm in the middle of installing half a gig of updated rpm packages;) |
| 20:31.27 | gideon | i'm using 3.0 and its the 58 ram /6 storage, and when I install to sd, it just installs onto the 6 megs. |
| 20:31.54 | gideon | nothing pops up when i put the card in, likewise when i pop it out. |
| 20:32.09 | tux_mike | sweet. blurb on c700 on the screen savers on techtv :) |
| 20:32.17 | gideon | its made by i-o data, and i didn't hear that they're any problems |
| 20:32.19 | tux_mike | they didn't mention you could get it from dynamism |
| 20:32.26 | gideon | anyone got a clue? |
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| 20:33.23 | pnis | hi |
| 20:33.42 | kergoth | hey pnis |
| 20:33.44 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 20:33.49 | pnis | hi kergoth |
| 20:33.54 | pnis | going all right |
| 20:33.59 | pnis | and for you? |
| 20:34.16 | kergoth | not too bad |
| 20:34.45 | pnis | that is good |
| 20:35.08 | pnis | kergoth: i have been looking at the /working dir in the kernel source |
| 20:35.12 | pnis | kergoth: is it up to date? |
| 20:35.25 | pnis | I don't quite understand what is needed and what is not |
| 20:36.43 | pnis | so nonapplied is what is not needed |
| 20:37.08 | pnis | patches/todo is what is needed for sure, and not done yet |
| 20:37.09 | kergoth | Trace; c4881740 <[sharp_~1].bss.end+f3d/385d> |
| 20:37.09 | kergoth | Trace; c00d066c <generic_unplug_device+6c/7c> |
| 20:37.09 | kergoth | Trace; c00d0600 <generic_unplug_device+0/7c> |
| 20:37.20 | kergoth | right |
| 20:37.28 | pnis | and how about the otthers? |
| 20:37.36 | pnis | they might be needed ? or not needed for sure ? |
| 20:37.39 | pnis | or needed for sure |
| 20:37.40 | kergoth | things that _may_ be needed, but not sure yet |
| 20:37.42 | kergoth | right :) |
| 20:37.48 | pnis | alright :) |
| 20:38.09 | pnis | so eg. there is irda all over the place |
| 20:38.20 | pnis | and it has to be seen what is needed from it |
| 20:38.35 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:38.42 | pnis | eitherway |
| 20:38.43 | kergoth | I pulled in the collie irda power function already, and ensured it gets run |
| 20:38.49 | kergoth | we should test it as is before proceeding |
| 20:38.51 | pnis | that is cool |
| 20:38.51 | kergoth | i havent tested |
| 20:39.07 | pnis | so what would you suggest for me to look at ? |
| 20:39.12 | pnis | something that is not urgent |
| 20:39.20 | pnis | as I still have fuc*ing exams |
| 20:39.34 | pnis | (imho sound is ok now) |
| 20:39.35 | kergoth | up to you. take a look at TODO |
| 20:39.44 | pnis | ok |
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| 20:52.43 | pnis | btw it seems on resume lineo called the pm_resume funcs in reverse order too |
| 20:53.40 | kergoth | yeah, it wouldnt have worked right otherwise |
| 20:53.44 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 20:53.55 | kergoth | >>PC; c488175c <[sharp_~1].bss.end+f59/385d> <===== |
| 20:53.57 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:54.07 | kergoth | fucking ksymoops isnt translating the symbols from the module |
| 20:54.46 | mickeyl | kergoth: do you have a recent 2.4.19 zImage anywhere? I'd like to play with the buzzer :) |
| 20:55.17 | chouimat|away | bbl |
| 20:56.48 | pnis | mickeyl: works in 2.4.6 too |
| 20:56.55 | pnis | mickeyl: the kernel has to brecompiled though |
| 20:57.00 | pnis | mickeyl: I can send you that |
| 20:57.11 | pnis | binary |
| 20:57.48 | pnis | but that binary has debugging written on console all the time |
| 20:58.06 | pnis | and why bother with 2,4,6 when there is better |
| 20:58.30 | mickeyl | pnis: ah, that'd be very cool. debugging is no problem, i don't want to actually _use_ it, just playing around and checking stuff |
| 20:58.48 | mickeyl | :) |
| 20:59.03 | pnis | mickeyl: i put it up somewhere - appart from debugging it's 100% functional, same as oz3.1rc1's kernel |
| 20:59.19 | mickeyl | pnis: fine. thanks |
| 20:59.32 | kergoth | grr |
| 21:00.10 | mickeyl | pnis: btw, also the kernel modules? |
| 21:01.21 | pnis | mickeyl: collie_ssp and collie_tc35143, yes |
| 21:01.26 | pnis | others are the same |
| 21:02.13 | mickeyl | pnis: k. so i copy these over to /lib/modules, flash the new kernel and it _should_ kind of boot? :) |
| 21:02.51 | pnis | mickeyl: exactly |
| 21:03.03 | pnis | mickeyl: also turn off key tap etc sounds in opie |
| 21:03.26 | pnis | mickeyl: after you have done ln -sf /dev/dsp1 /dev/sharp_buzz |
| 21:03.32 | pnis | mickeyl: and modprobe collie_tc35143af |
| 21:03.36 | pnis | mickeyl: you can turn it back on |
| 21:03.50 | mickeyl | pnis: ok |
| 21:04.12 | pnis | mickeyl: if you want to record (that needs to be tested btw :) ) turn of key tap sounds and restart opie - otherwise it is grabbing /dev/dsp1 |
| 21:04.19 | pnis | mickeyl: http://web.interware.hu/rudas/ |
| 21:04.48 | pnis | /dev/dsp1 is the speaker+mix |
| 21:04.52 | pnis | /dev/dsp is the headphone |
| 21:04.57 | pnis | mix=mic |
| 21:05.02 | tux_mike | kergoth: ping |
| 21:05.12 | kergoth | tux_mike: pong |
| 21:05.34 | pnis | kergoth: how is the sd module behaving ? |
| 21:05.40 | pnis | not perfectly well yet ? |
| 21:05.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:05.45 | kergoth | not at all |
| 21:05.47 | kergoth | oopses left and right |
| 21:05.51 | kergoth | I get around one |
| 21:05.51 | pnis | :) |
| 21:05.53 | kergoth | and run into another |
| 21:05.54 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:05.56 | tux_mike | kergoth: do you mind me mentioning OZ, and you to tech tv in an email? |
| 21:05.58 | pnis | heh |
| 21:06.03 | kergoth | tux_mike: dont mind, feel free |
| 21:06.16 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:06.41 | pnis | kergoth: does the sd module load ? or you need to do something for that too? |
| 21:06.58 | pnis | i mean did it load |
| 21:07.24 | kergoth | it loads if you dont have the sd card in at hte time :) |
| 21:07.30 | kergoth | otherwise it oopses on module load |
| 21:07.43 | pnis | :) |
| 21:07.47 | kergoth | because.. |
| 21:07.54 | kergoth | it does a partition scan on teh card |
| 21:07.54 | kergoth | b00m |
| 21:07.59 | pnis | eh |
| 21:08.05 | pnis | no unresolvable symbols? |
| 21:08.11 | mickeyl | pnis: which modules directory is 2.4.19 expecting exactly? /lib/modules/2.4.19 ? |
| 21:08.11 | kergoth | no unresolved symbols |
| 21:08.20 | kergoth | mickeyl: 2.4.19-rmk4-cl1 |
| 21:08.25 | mickeyl | kergoth: thanks |
| 21:08.41 | mickeyl | kergoth: a link to 2.4.6-blabla should be sufficient? |
| 21:08.50 | pnis | /lib/modules/2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix/kernel/drivers/sound/ |
| 21:08.51 | kergoth | err |
| 21:08.56 | kergoth | i thought he sent you a 2.4.6 kernel? |
| 21:08.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:09.03 | kergoth | 2.4.6 moduels wont work in 2.4.19] |
| 21:09.06 | kergoth | or vice versa |
| 21:09.10 | pnis | I know |
| 21:09.12 | mickeyl | d'oh!? aah ok, understood 2.4.6 + sound |
| 21:09.16 | pnis | I sent a 2.4.6 kernel too |
| 21:09.18 | pnis | :) |
| 21:09.26 | pnis | mickeyl: I forgot soundcore.o |
| 21:09.26 | mickeyl | ok, thanks. minimal confusion on my side |
| 21:09.34 | pnis | mickeyl: 1 sec |
| 21:10.05 | gideon | can someone help me out with mmc card problems? |
| 21:11.37 | pnis | mickeyl: soundcore.o is up - put it in the same dir |
| 21:11.55 | mickeyl | pnis: cool. download it |
| 21:11.59 | gideon | similar to the bug # 648508 |
| 21:12.02 | mickeyl | downloading even |
| 21:12.15 | pnis | kergoth: that sucks. why does it load if it doesn't work and vica-versa ? |
| 21:12.23 | pnis | good question |
| 21:13.30 | kergoth | pnis: there were block device changes |
| 21:14.00 | pnis | kergoth: but the functions didn't change ? |
| 21:14.13 | kergoth | pnis: their interfaces didnt |
| 21:14.19 | pnis | kergoth: ah, cool |
| 21:14.28 | kergoth | pnis: but apparently the core structures changed |
| 21:14.35 | kergoth | pnis: which I believe this driver directly manipulates |
| 21:14.40 | pnis | kergoth: ah |
| 21:14.42 | kergoth | so i dunno, we'll see |
| 21:14.48 | kergoth | right now its oopsing within the sd module itself |
| 21:14.53 | kergoth | nailing that down is going to be a bitch |
| 21:14.58 | pnis | eh |
| 21:15.10 | pnis | but it will be awesome when it works for sure |
| 21:15.15 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:15.22 | pnis | i bouhgt an mmc a few days ago |
| 21:15.28 | pnis | to show my trust in this effort :) |
| 21:15.31 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:15.49 | kenb | sorry about your luck ;) |
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| 21:16.08 | pnis | i got it for free for my cf card which was killed by the z |
| 21:16.15 | pnis | under guarantee |
| 21:16.25 | pnis | kenb: it will work I am sure :) |
| 21:16.25 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:16.59 | kenb | I had faith in Kergoth until he muttered something about "fuck" and "oops within the SD driver itself" |
| 21:17.06 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:17.11 | pnis | :) |
| 21:17.18 | kenb | At that point, things began to look grim. |
| 21:17.56 | kergoth | heh, i know better, things often look pretty grim right before you find the solution :) |
| 21:17.57 | pnis | it is a step forward perhaps that not the kernel is dereferencing null pointers now |
| 21:17.58 | kergoth | so we'll see |
| 21:18.19 | pnis | btw 2.4.21pre3 is nice |
| 21:18.23 | pnis | in terms of usbmet |
| 21:18.38 | pnis | however, usbnet was the only thing that didn't cause a kernel panic |
| 21:18.43 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:18.46 | kenb | Did USBNet finally get in? |
| 21:18.50 | pnis | eg. moving the mouse did cause a panic 6 times out of 8 :) |
| 21:18.55 | kergoth | usbnet has been in since 2.4.5 or something |
| 21:19.05 | kergoth | usbnet zaurus support is new as of 2.4.21-pre |
| 21:19.05 | pnis | usbnet is cool |
| 21:19.18 | kenb | kergoth: yea, that's what I meant |
| 21:19.23 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:19.33 | kenb | I patched it into 2.4.20 a ew days ago |
| 21:19.41 | kenb | I even ran IPsec to my Z over it |
| 21:19.41 | kergoth | hmmmm |
| 21:20.01 | kergoth | I'm going to need to play some evil games with the changed structures |
| 21:20.06 | kergoth | in order to adapt to the new interfaces |
| 21:20.07 | kergoth | fun stuff |
| 21:20.21 | pnis | kergoth: :) |
| 21:20.24 | kenb | Which reminds me. I have patch for you for ESPinUDP support. |
| 21:20.29 | dscordia_ | yay usbnet |
| 21:20.39 | dscordia_ | why would sharp have used usbdnet in the first place? |
| 21:20.52 | ljp_work | cause lineo made them |
| 21:21.00 | bipolar | I was having problems with usbnet dropping connections. I'm hoping the latest version fixes it. |
| 21:21.09 | dscordia_ | what was lineo's motivation then? |
| 21:21.14 | kergoth | you know whats funny, is I was almost done adding the CRC support to usbnet for Z support |
| 21:21.17 | dscordia_ | seems like duplication of effort to me |
| 21:21.17 | pnis | it worked |
| 21:21.17 | kergoth | like a year ago |
| 21:21.21 | bipolar | dscordia_: they like to be pricks? |
| 21:21.25 | kergoth | but someone else only did it now |
| 21:21.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:21.44 | dscordia_ | aah... |
| 21:21.50 | ljp_work | cause they threw the zaurus code together in a week it seems |
| 21:21.58 | pnis | ljp_work: indeed ! |
| 21:22.08 | pnis | or monday morning before showing to the boss |
| 21:22.34 | ljp_work | and we all know what lineo does to its best programmers/people |
| 21:22.42 | pnis | what ? |
| 21:22.53 | kergoth | fires them |
| 21:23.02 | kergoth | look at erik andersen, tim riker, etc |
| 21:23.04 | ljp_work | fires them when they are on vacation |
| 21:23.31 | kenb | patch emailed to kergoth - enjoy ;) |
| 21:23.31 | pnis | eh? |
| 21:23.42 | pnis | ljp_work: who did they do this to? |
| 21:23.50 | pnis | ah |
| 21:23.52 | ljp_work | fastolfe.. pierre |
| 21:23.53 | pnis | i see |
| 21:23.56 | ljp_work | last year |
| 21:24.07 | pnis | how come? |
| 21:24.18 | ljp_work | downsized |
| 21:24.23 | kergoth | this is going to be an absolute nightmare |
| 21:24.32 | pnis | ljp_work: i see |
| 21:24.39 | pnis | kergoth: :) |
| 21:24.48 | ljp_work | not nice to fire someone on vaca |
| 21:24.51 | kergoth | pnis: not all the problems are in function calls |
| 21:24.53 | pnis | think of the money and the women and respect you will get |
| 21:24.55 | pnis | kergoth: |
| 21:25.11 | kergoth | pnis: it directly touches an array of structures whose definition has changed |
| 21:25.14 | kergoth | pnis: :( |
| 21:25.19 | pnis | kergoth: eh |
| 21:25.29 | pnis | kergoth: so a wrappet for everything is needed than? |
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| 21:25.40 | pnis | an old layer above the new |
| 21:25.44 | pnis | sounds nice |
| 21:25.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:26.00 | pnis | are there many functions? |
| 21:26.01 | kergoth | i dont even know how to wrap around direct accesses, not bls |
| 21:26.28 | kergoth | its accessing the array directly.. i'll have to disassemble, adjust the offsets to the correct points in the structure |
| 21:26.52 | pnis | kergoth: all functions that are referienced have to be rewritten, so that they return structrures sd module accepts |
| 21:26.57 | kergoth | or at least make it deref an array of pointers in my wrapper which point the the right place |
| 21:27.05 | kergoth | pnis: not all, most things didnt change |
| 21:27.14 | pnis | kergoth: cool |
| 21:27.19 | pnis | kergoth: than only a few |
| 21:27.21 | kergoth | pnis: so far only the block dev structure seems to have been changed |
| 21:27.22 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:27.30 | pnis | kergoth: cool |
| 21:29.18 | pnis | ah fuc* exam period |
| 21:29.35 | pnis | I need to learn 200 pages of complete bullsh*t by heart |
| 21:29.52 | pnis | but why ?? |
| 21:29.54 | pnis | ;) |
| 21:30.09 | dscordia_ | what are you studying pnis? |
| 21:30.24 | pnis | dscordia_ computer science - but atm this is maths |
| 21:30.33 | pnis | 200 pages of idiotic proofs |
| 21:30.57 | dscordia_ | pnis bleah thats a lot of proofs...what math? |
| 21:31.09 | pnis | introduction to Maths |
| 21:31.10 | pnis | III. |
| 21:31.12 | pnis | :) |
| 21:31.17 | pnis | field theory |
| 21:31.25 | pnis | and other interestring stuff |
| 21:31.33 | pnis | like reedsolomon and other error correcting codes |
| 21:31.35 | ljp_work | like 3 * 4 = 12 ? |
| 21:31.36 | pnis | 30 pages |
| 21:31.49 | dscordia_ | pnis aah...computer-related maths then? |
| 21:31.51 | pnis | ljp_work: yes, but you have to learn all the numbers by heart |
| 21:31.59 | pnis | dscordia_ yep |
| 21:32.10 | pnis | in that 30 pages about ecc |
| 21:32.10 | dscordia_ | pnis cool...sorta |
| 21:32.18 | pnis | they forgot to put in how one decodes and encodes something |
| 21:32.19 | pnis | :) |
| 21:32.22 | dscordia_ | ha |
| 21:32.28 | pnis | only 15 proofs and 30 definitions |
| 21:32.42 | mickeyl | pnis: so. flashed and modprobed. programs which formerly played sound over the headphone should now play via the buzzer shouldn't they? |
| 21:32.45 | ljp_work | I got lost on imaginary numbers, and havent been found since |
| 21:32.54 | pnis | mickeyl: now everything should be as before |
| 21:33.08 | pnis | mickeyl: you can symlionk /dev/dsp to /dev/dsp1 |
| 21:33.23 | pnis | mickeyl: and than everything should play thorough the speaker |
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| 21:33.29 | mickeyl | pnis: ok. i want to check sidplayer over the buzzer without recompiling it. good. |
| 21:33.37 | pnis | ljp_work: :) |
| 21:33.38 | kergoth | aha |
| 21:33.39 | kergoth | i forgot |
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| 21:33.48 | kergoth | lineo left the header for the mmcsd driver in the kernel sources |
| 21:33.50 | pnis | ljp_work: you did not miss anything imho |
| 21:33.50 | gideon | anyone here use fbvnc? |
| 21:34.08 | TheMasterMind1 | wassup |
| 21:34.12 | pnis | hi TheMasterMind1 |
| 21:34.12 | gideon | when do you callibrate the screen, i can login but I can't use my mouse. |
| 21:34.14 | kergoth | pnis: if i can figure enough out |
| 21:34.32 | pnis | kergoth: sounds good |
| 21:34.34 | kergoth | pnis: it'll be easier to rewrite the function in question thats _in_ the sd driver, than to disassemble to prevent it from accessing the array driectly |
| 21:34.41 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:34.53 | pnis | kergoth: :)) |
| 21:34.59 | pnis | kergoth: that is what you plan to do? |
| 21:35.00 | pnis | cool |
| 21:35.30 | kergoth | pnis: if i can.. i need to learn about the block layer now :) |
| 21:35.51 | pnis | kergoth: :) |
| 21:35.59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm, whats new |
| 21:36.30 | kergoth | hmmm |
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| 21:36.45 | pnis | the best joke in the maths book |
| 21:36.53 | kergoth | hm, grr |
| 21:37.33 | pnis | the description of "code" (letters after each other) is 6 pages |
| 21:37.39 | pnis | with cca 10 definitions |
| 21:37.42 | pnis | and about 8 proofs |
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| 21:37.48 | gideon | sorry guys |
| 21:37.59 | kergoth | bleh |
| 21:38.03 | gideon | i keep on crashing when my z goes on susupend |
| 21:38.08 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:38.16 | gideon | uh |
| 21:38.18 | gideon | yeah |
| 21:38.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: worked around the first oops, but then ran headlong into a shitload more |
| 21:38.31 | pnis | kergoth: :) gcc inline asm is interesting too |
| 21:39.05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: at one point, i did a single insmod and watched 4 oopses occur in a row:) |
| 21:39.24 | pnis | so about the maths book again hehe:) : 1 of the proofs I have to learn by heart is completely wrong. it doesn't make sense |
| 21:40.14 | pnis | hehe if you are a real big idiot personally and professionally - you should be teaching at a college |
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| 21:40.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:41.29 | pnis | ;) |
| 21:41.47 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.50 | kergoth | wtf is left_mount? |
| 21:41.56 | kergoth | hm |
| 21:41.58 | pnis | i would rather erease the source and than dissassemble and fix all the bugs in the lineo code |
| 21:42.05 | pnis | than study this crap |
| 21:42.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:42.09 | mickeyl | pnis: hmm... no go here... # cat /tmp/intel.wav >/dev/dsp1 |
| 21:42.09 | mickeyl | cannot create /dev/dsp1: error 16 |
| 21:42.09 | kergoth | that bad eh? |
| 21:42.19 | kergoth | mickeyl: modprobe the modules? |
| 21:42.30 | Onyx4|work | kergoth: do you feel that the new qte library with the tslib patch is now ok to use for 2.4.6 users? I haven't updated it yet in the unstable feed until it's completed |
| 21:42.30 | pnis | he:) |
| 21:42.31 | mickeyl | kergoth: yes. |
| 21:42.43 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: ask tronical. iirc it works fine |
| 21:42.48 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: i havent tested 2.4.6 in ages. |
| 21:42.59 | pnis | mickeyl: than mknod /dev/dsp1 c 14 19 |
| 21:43.01 | Onyx4|work | ok i'll try it here and if it works update the unstable feed with it |
| 21:43.09 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: k sounds good |
| 21:43.16 | mickeyl | pnis: /dev/dsp is already there |
| 21:43.30 | tronical | kergoth, Onyx4|work: it does not work for me with .6 |
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| 21:43.42 | pnis | Onyx4|work: isn't it already in the feed? xmms needed libts to run in the new feed |
| 21:43.46 | kergoth | tronical: err odd, it is opening /dev/ts right? |
| 21:43.57 | tronical | kergoth: yes, it is (/proc confirms even) |
| 21:43.58 | Onyx4|work | pnis: that should be fixed now, with using rpath-link |
| 21:44.05 | pnis | Onyx4|work: ah, ok |
| 21:44.08 | kergoth | tronical: hmm |
| 21:44.09 | Onyx4|work | pnis: i'll have to recompile mplayer and update the feed with a new version not dependant on it |
| 21:44.21 | mickeyl | aaah |
| 21:44.30 | kergoth | pnis: rpath-link lets us rely on the libqte's link against libts rather than linking against it directly |
| 21:44.37 | Onyx4|work | yeah |
| 21:44.41 | tronical | kergoth: it's a strange problem, as calibration worked. but I haven't looked into it, yet. maybe I'm the only one to see it :) |
| 21:44.43 | pnis | Onyx4|work: ok, not urgent at all btw |
| 21:44.48 | pnis | kergoth: i see |
| 21:44.48 | mickeyl | is it possible that it doesn't work while opie has opened sharp_buz --> /dev/dsp1? |
| 21:44.49 | kergoth | tronical: weird. k. |
| 21:44.55 | Onyx4|work | I just pushed a change to tmake to use rpath-link from now on, until I convert them to qmake :) |
| 21:44.58 | mickeyl | not multi-clientable i guess? |
| 21:44.59 | pnis | mickeyl: exactly |
| 21:45.08 | mickeyl | pnis: ah ok. retrying... |
| 21:45.09 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: bah, slacker |
| 21:45.10 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: :) |
| 21:45.20 | pnis | mickeyl: switch of all opie sounds, and restart opie |
| 21:45.26 | Onyx4|work | why does the konqe-gifplugin has no config.in and no definition in packages/Makefile file anymore? |
| 21:45.41 | Onyx4|work | is simon tronical? |
| 21:45.50 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: yep |
| 21:46.15 | kergoth | 15:47 [OPN] -!- tronical [~simon@fauia27.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] |
| 21:46.16 | kergoth | 15:47 [OPN] -!- ircname : Simon Hausmann |
| 21:46.18 | Onyx4|work | ok I fixed a problem with konq-e build directory name, now it finally builds for me, but no gifplugin |
| 21:46.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:46.29 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.19 | mickeyl | HAH! |
| 21:47.20 | pnis | kergoth: when time permits I will look at these patches that has an undecided fate, ok? |
| 21:47.25 | Onyx4|work | tronical: I remember being able to build the gifplugin before, but now I'm trying to build it again, no config.in :) |
| 21:47.25 | kergoth | pnis: k |
| 21:47.27 | mickeyl | pnis: it works. cool |
| 21:47.34 | pnis | mickeyl: cool!:) |
| 21:47.36 | tronical | (back temporarily) |
| 21:47.45 | tronical | Onyx4|work: it has no config.in because it is built when konq is built |
| 21:47.56 | pnis | mickeyl: what do you use ? opieplayer2 ? |
| 21:47.59 | Onyx4|work | mmm well I didn't find in the makefile where it calls it |
| 21:48.05 | mickeyl | pnis: sidplayer :D |
| 21:48.09 | Onyx4|work | cause I just finished building it and no gifplugin |
| 21:48.16 | pnis | mickeyl: ah, you mentioned it :) |
| 21:48.19 | tronical | Onyx4|work: subdir-$(CONFIG_KONQE) += packages/konqe |
| 21:48.19 | mickeyl | pnis: damn, this thing is LOUD :)) |
| 21:48.22 | pnis | mickeyl: does it sound good? |
| 21:48.23 | tronical | Onyx4|work: subdir-$(CONFIG_KONQE) += packages/konqe-gifplugin |
| 21:48.25 | pnis | cool:) |
| 21:48.40 | pnis | mickeyl: is the whole case resonating? |
| 21:48.46 | pnis | let me try sidplayer too |
| 21:49.26 | Onyx4|work | tronical: you know what I think the problem is, if you do mrproper with packages/konqe-gifplugin, it maybe doesn't clear the stamps? |
| 21:49.28 | mickeyl | pnis: i guess there's no way to adjust the volume ? |
| 21:49.54 | Onyx4|work | ok if I call it manually it compiles it... |
| 21:49.57 | kergoth | mickeyl: absolute worst case if theres no way in hardware, you could do it in software by altering the data on its way out.. ;) |
| 21:50.04 | tronical | Onyx4|work: hm, maybe, dunno. I usually do mrproper globally :) |
| 21:50.23 | tronical | Onyx4|work: the subdir fix: strange that I never ran into it, maybe it's because of the new GETSOURCES script |
| 21:50.34 | tronical | Onyx4|work: in any case: thanks :) |
| 21:50.37 | mickeyl | kergoth: yeah. but it's no problem, since we need a mixing soundserver for opie anyway :) |
| 21:50.41 | pnis | mickeyl: volume control should adjust it |
| 21:50.43 | kergoth | mickeyl: indeed |
| 21:50.49 | mickeyl | pnis: really? trying... |
| 21:51.06 | pnis | it used to....... ;) |
| 21:51.15 | mickeyl | pnis: no effect here. |
| 21:51.24 | Onyx4|work | tronical: btw the builddir needs to respect the same name in the tarball , otherwise it won't work |
| 21:51.41 | Onyx4|work | tronical: so i'm pushing a fix for both konq-e and konqe-gifplugin for that |
| 21:51.46 | mickeyl | pnis: could be sidplayer.... trying opieplayer2... |
| 21:51.54 | pnis | mickeyl: ok, it was disabled by accident |
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| 21:52.01 | mickeyl | pnis: oh ok. |
| 21:52.02 | pnis | mickeyl: i will fix it |
| 21:52.10 | mickeyl | pnis: great :) |
| 21:52.14 | Onyx4|work | tronical: I still can't build libxine, can we just use xine-libs cvs? |
| 21:52.23 | Onyx4|work | tronical: cause of that asm error |
| 21:53.20 | Dilb | Onyx4|work: an update of op2 could be necessary (I don't know what harlekin had to change), else the patches should still work |
| 21:53.23 | mickeyl | Onyx4|work: works here - at last... try a rebuild, i guess tronical changed something although he refuse to confirm it ... |
| 21:53.32 | mickeyl | :) |
| 21:53.33 | Dilb | Onyx4|work: it would be helpful to describe the error you got |
| 21:54.25 | Onyx4|work | ok I can try again... |
| 21:54.32 | Onyx4|work | I'll tell you in a sec the error |
| 21:56.20 | pnis | mickeyl: oh, it was not disabled - you need to ln -sf /dev/mixer1 /dev/mixer |
| 21:56.30 | pnis | mickeyl: first mv /dev/mixer /dev/mixer0 |
| 21:57.03 | pnis | mickeyl: if no /dev/mixer1, than mknod /dev/mixer1 c 14 16 |
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| 22:00.12 | mickeyl | pnis: hehe... absolutely fabulous. really great.. i like this. thanks a lot, this is splendid work ! :) |
| 22:03.54 | pnis | mickeyl: thanks :) not that big deal actually |
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| 22:04.38 | pnis | re ljp_work |
| 22:05.16 | pnis | hmm it seems that 10khz buzzing is gone with the buzzer ? |
| 22:05.18 | pnis | cool |
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| 22:06.13 | ljp_work | buzzing? |
| 22:06.24 | pnis | with the oss buzzer driver |
| 22:06.39 | ljp_work | you mean like alarm sounds? |
| 22:07.04 | pnis | no that's the past :) there is new driver for v 2.4.19 |
| 22:07.09 | pnis | and works with v2.4.6 too |
| 22:07.12 | pnis | linux kernel I mean |
| 22:07.20 | ljp_work | I suppose once that 2.4.19 is released, opie is going to have to change it's zaurus alarm code |
| 22:07.37 | pnis | ljp_work: yes, that would be good |
| 22:07.53 | pnis | ljp_work: at least closing the buzzer device after making a sound |
| 22:08.31 | ljp_work | well, right now, it just uses the standard zaurus buzzer calls, instead of playing files like the ipaq |
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| 22:08.49 | pnis | ljp_work: i saw it |
| 22:08.59 | pnis | ljp_work: there is buzzer compatibility in the new driver |
| 22:09.05 | ljp_work | oh cool |
| 22:09.12 | pnis | ljp_work: it sucks a bit |
| 22:09.22 | ljp_work | wasnt sure how much you did to it |
| 22:09.43 | ljp_work | in that respect |
| 22:09.52 | pnis | ljp_work: but if opie doesn't close the device, one can not record (the same /dev/dsp1 can be opened once) |
| 22:10.17 | pnis | ljp_work: it was kergoth's suggestion to add buzzer compatibility |
| 22:10.23 | pnis | so it's there |
| 22:11.32 | mickeyl | pnis: hehe, now there is really no reason left not to port soundtracker to the Z :-D |
| 22:11.48 | pnis | mickeyl: :) |
| 22:12.02 | pnis | mickeyl: that uses gtk , no ? :) |
| 22:12.25 | mickeyl | pnis: yes. it really would be a port, not a recompile. |
| 22:12.52 | pnis | mickeyl: yes - and than one can compose the tune for his groups new demo on the bus ! |
| 22:12.57 | pnis | :) |
| 22:13.12 | mickeyl | pnis: hehe, yeah that'd be cool... but I'm afraid that will have to wait... too many other things todo atm. |
| 22:13.53 | pnis | mickeyl: i understand that :) |
| 22:14.05 | mickeyl | testing opieplayer2 now... anyone with a nice ogg stream address handy? |
| 22:14.38 | badalex | mickeyl: soundtraker on the zaurus would be.. awsome! |
| 22:14.40 | pnis | #EXTINF:-1,Ona Mallorca FM 99.2 |
| 22:14.41 | pnis | http://www.onamallorca.net:8000/ona.ogg |
| 22:14.41 | pnis | #EXTINF:-1,Example stream name |
| 22:14.41 | pnis | http://www.evolutionradio.org:8000/station1_48.ogg |
| 22:14.50 | pnis | remove the :ogg s |
| 22:15.15 | pnis | mickeyl: btw xmms adds a nice ogg stream by default when you oress the add url button |
| 22:15.18 | pnis | :) |
| 22:15.48 | mickeyl | pnis: ah thanks... is xmms good? |
| 22:16.00 | mickeyl | the qte port, that is |
| 22:16.06 | pnis | mickeyl: yes, very good :) i am not biased in any way |
| 22:16.14 | pnis | for movies not the best yet |
| 22:16.25 | pnis | (mplayer integratoon needs more work) |
| 22:16.34 | pnis | but for sound it is good imho |
| 22:16.48 | pnis | mickeyl: ah hehe |
| 22:17.02 | pnis | mickeyl: it plays everything at half speed through /dev/dsp1 yet |
| 22:17.22 | pnis | mono support needs to be added |
| 22:18.02 | mickeyl | badalex: yeah... i was part of several cracker/intro writing groups in the late 80s and did intros and music with a custimzed tracker on the amiga. i could port it, but this will have to wait some months... |
| 22:18.32 | pnis | http://anka.katedral.se:6581/fresh.ogg |
| 22:18.38 | pnis | mickeyl: that url is streaming sid music |
| 22:18.42 | badalex | mickeyl: heh it still would be cool, i remeber making music on the atari st with music studio |
| 22:19.11 | pnis | mickeyl: cool, you made intros ? |
| 22:19.53 | mickeyl | pnis: yeah, i coded a lot of intros in 68k assembler - those were the days, my friend... |
| 22:20.05 | pnis | mickeyl: :) cool |
| 22:20.16 | pnis | mickeyl: i only made one on the x86 |
| 22:20.25 | pnis | mickeyl: what effects did you make ? |
| 22:21.14 | mickeyl | pnis: cool scrolling, 3d with hidden surfaces, the obligatory spline-based bubble movements and the like |
| 22:21.21 | pnis | mickeyl: cool :) |
| 22:22.18 | pnis | mickeyl: did you write you rown modplayer too? |
| 22:22.22 | pnis | for the intros |
| 22:23.18 | mickeyl | pnis: yes. i did a totally customized modplayer... well, in fact I only used the mod file format and wrote an own engine featuring what we called "chip-mod [aka c64 style]" sounds in addition to samples. |
| 22:23.56 | pnis | mickeyl: hehe :) cool! |
| 22:24.15 | mickeyl | unfortunately that whole amiga stuff went into the trashcan when we moved. however some of the knowledge still is in my brain :)) |
| 22:24.42 | pnis | mickeyl: indeed:) but the binaries must be on aminet, no ? |
| 22:24.46 | pnis | or somewhere |
| 22:25.24 | pnis | mickeyl: the source for my intro is on a broken harddrive in a storage locker in the usa :] |
| 22:25.32 | pnis | if it is still there - I doubt that |
| 22:25.36 | mickeyl | pnis: hehe... damn. |
| 22:26.11 | pnis | mickeyl: what was your group's name? |
| 22:26.19 | pnis | groups' |
| 22:26.43 | mickeyl | pnis: i was part of "TGM-Crew", "Thrust", "Traitors" and "Supreme" |
| 22:27.09 | pnis | mickeyl: i see - I am not too familiar with amiga groups |
| 22:27.15 | mickeyl | pnis: each time one of our distributors got busted, we started again with another name :) |
| 22:27.22 | pnis | mickeyl: :) |
| 22:28.08 | mickeyl | pnis: a bunch of my intros have been conserved and are available through the aminet demo sites, but unfortunately not my personal tools like the tracker - those i didn't release. you know... open source was not so popular in these days... we all kept our sources like secrets... childish... |
| 22:28.32 | pnis | hehe indeed :) that was not open source |
| 22:28.38 | pnis | mickeyl: that sucks |
| 22:28.42 | mickeyl | but then again, that's what we were... children :-)) |
| 22:28.48 | pnis | :) |
| 22:29.08 | mickeyl | haha |
| 22:29.12 | pnis | he:) |
| 22:29.54 | pnis | but now you write in c++ |
| 22:29.56 | pnis | how lame |
| 22:29.58 | pnis | :] |
| 22:30.31 | mickeyl | haha, exactly, yeah :) however, I prefer python, which is even more lame, because it's so fscking high level :))) |
| 22:30.37 | pnis | :) |
| 22:31.04 | pnis | the world has changed :) |
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| 22:31.17 | pnis | even the demos are all under windows nowadays |
| 22:31.26 | pnis | and a few (cool ones) on linux |
| 22:31.31 | pnis | at least last time I checked |
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| 22:32.21 | mickeyl | pnis: yeah, i've seen some very cool things... but then again, i nowadays enjoy writing stuff that anyone can use and not only watch |
| 22:32.23 | kergoth | hey ||ugh |
| 22:32.53 | pnis | mickeyl: yes, that's cool too |
| 22:33.58 | gideon | i have another problem. I can't figure out why my mmc card is not detected, does anyone know? |
| 22:34.12 | mickeyl | pnis: btw, there are some frequent failing modprobe on the console, probing "sound-service and sound-slot". is that normal? |
| 22:34.42 | pnis | mickeyl: yes, somebody is looking for /dev/dsp1 maybe or /dev/dsp (whichever is missing) |
| 22:34.47 | kergoth | mickeyl: thats from the kernel module loader. we should set up the proper aliases in modules.conf |
| 22:34.49 | pnis | mickeyl: or /dev/mixer |
| 22:34.58 | mickeyl | kergoth: understood. |
| 22:35.33 | pnis | gideon: is the sharp_mmcsd_m module loaded (lsmod) ? |
| 22:35.42 | pnis | if not try modprobe sharp_mmcsd_m |
| 22:35.56 | pnis | if that helps at all |
| 22:36.11 | gideon | yes |
| 22:36.13 | gideon | ut us |
| 22:36.14 | gideon | er |
| 22:36.18 | gideon | it is loaded |
| 22:36.42 | pnis | than mount /dev/mmcda1 /mnt/card |
| 22:37.01 | pnis | gideon: would that help? |
| 22:37.20 | mickeyl | kergoth: the alias, would that be e.g. "sound-slot-0 collie_tc35143af" ? |
| 22:37.30 | kergoth | yep something along those lines |
| 22:38.43 | pnis | mickeyl: but is the modules loaded know? |
| 22:39.02 | pnis | mickeyl: i guess not, ok |
| 22:39.43 | pnis | anyhow it's time to go to sleep |
| 22:39.48 | pnis | goodnight all |
| 22:41.18 | gideon | hmm |
| 22:47.12 | Onyx4|work | what's the right order to run these? aclocal autoconf automake |
| 22:48.29 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: look at an existing makefile |
| 22:48.35 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: in buildroot |
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| 23:01.11 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:02.40 | mickeyl | kergoth: what were the mknod numbers for /dev/dsp again, please? |
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| 23:07.04 | Dessimat0r | lo all :D |
| 23:07.26 | badalex | hey Dessimat0r |
| 23:08.01 | badalex|bbl | later Dessimat0r lol |
| 23:15.39 | Onyx4|work | tronical: I pushed some fixes to make konqe-gifplugin build |
| 23:16.01 | tronical | Onyx4|work: thanks |
| 23:16.37 | Onyx4|work | I would like eventually to insert something like "Provides=konqe" into the konqueror-embedded-X ipkg |
| 23:16.46 | Onyx4|work | then really make the dependancy work for konqe-gifplugin |
| 23:16.53 | Onyx4|work | since there was no space, it wasn't really doing it for real |
| 23:17.19 | Dilb | Onyx4|work: I won't be able to wait for more than the "1 second" today |
| 23:17.20 | Onyx4|work | but it seems to use it's own control.in file from the tarball rather than our header for the makefile |
| 23:17.31 | tronical | Onyx4|work: konq/e? yes |
| 23:17.32 | Onyx4|work | oh yeah I forgot hold on |
| 23:17.36 | Onyx4|work | tronical: yes |
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| 23:17.48 | tronical | Onyx4|work: why did you insert the aclocal/autoconf/automake steps in konqe-gifplugin build? |
| 23:17.56 | Onyx4|work | yes |
| 23:18.04 | Onyx4|work | and using our own libtool instead |
| 23:18.34 | tronical | that doesn't explain the auto* step :) |
| 23:18.38 | Onyx4|work | but that didn't seem to work for konqe, so I left it untouched since it was building anyway already |
| 23:18.50 | Onyx4|work | for the plugin it worked tough |
| 23:19.05 | tronical | but why the auto* steps? |
| 23:19.13 | tronical | (they shouldn't be needed at all IMHO) |
| 23:19.20 | Onyx4|work | oh otherwise it tries to call libtool with --tag=CXX |
| 23:19.25 | Onyx4|work | which is not valid for the normal libtool |
| 23:19.29 | Onyx4|work | only their own |
| 23:19.44 | tronical | ah, right, we have our own copy of libtool, sort of :) |
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| 23:19.48 | tronical | (KDE that is) |
| 23:19.53 | Onyx4|work | yeah |
| 23:20.12 | tronical | hmmm |
| 23:20.25 | Onyx4|work | the problem was that it was failing using the kde libtool when calling arm-linux-g++ with ccache , it would say no such file or directory for arm-linux-g++ |
| 23:20.34 | kergoth | hah, my company is looking for inside sales people, trying to get us to recommend people |
| 23:20.37 | Onyx4|work | ok here is the error for libxine |
| 23:20.38 | Onyx4|work | arm-linux-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../.. -I../../include -I../../include -I../../src -I../../src/xine-engine -I../../src/xine-engine -I../../src/xine-utils -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/dvdnav -I../../src/input/libdvdread/ -std=gnu89 -I/home/clambert/oz/buildroot/output/staging/include -Wall -D_REENTRANT -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DXINE_COMPILE -O2 -fsigned-char -ffast-math -mcpu=stronga |
| 23:20.38 | Onyx4|work | rm1100 -fomit-frame-pointer -fthread-jumps -fregmove -c input_http.c -Wp,-MD,.deps/input_http.TPlo -fPIC -DPIC -o input_http.lo |
| 23:20.40 | kergoth | like i'd actually try to get someone to work here |
| 23:20.40 | Onyx4|work | /tmp/cc0zt4OT.s: Assembler messages: |
| 23:20.42 | Onyx4|work | /tmp/cc0zt4OT.s:42: Error: bad instruction `rorw $8,r3' |
| 23:20.44 | Onyx4|work | make[6]: *** [input_http.lo] Error 1 |
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| 23:21.00 | Onyx4|work | Dilb: got that? :) |
| 23:21.03 | tronical | Onyx4|work: ahh, I see. this might be worth fixing in our libtool then. will forward. |
| 23:21.20 | tronical | Onyx4|work: what toolchain are you using, btw? I tried to build libxine with the 2.95 one from oz.org and had no problems |
| 23:21.31 | Onyx4|work | I'm using that one too |
| 23:21.35 | TheMasterMind1 | fuck, i feel like shit |
| 23:22.02 | Dilb | rorw is not valid, that's true |
| 23:22.44 | Dilb | tronical: did you try it with PIC support too ? |
| 23:23.20 | Onyx4|work | the command called was /bin/sh ../../libtool-nofpic |
| 23:23.55 | Onyx4|work | i've never seen -fregmove before |
| 23:23.58 | tronical | Dilb: I didn't try anything special :) |
| 23:23.59 | Onyx4|work | is that maybe the problem? |
| 23:24.25 | tronical | Dilb: why would xine build itself non-pic? |
| 23:24.26 | Onyx4|work | shouldn't we be calling our own libtool too? |
| 23:24.26 | Dilb | Onyx4|work: can you mail me the .s file ? |
| 23:24.50 | Dilb | tronical: because of problems with PIC with many old gccs |
| 23:25.14 | Onyx4|work | it looks like it got deleted in /tmp |
| 23:25.34 | Dilb | Onyx4|work: just type again the gcc line in the right directory and use -S |
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| 23:25.42 | kergoth | er,, wont building without PIC blow up prelinking? |
| 23:26.05 | tronical | kergoth: it would, but we never prelinked the xine DSOs |
| 23:26.08 | tronical | (the plugins that is) |
| 23:26.15 | kergoth | ah plugins, gotcha |
| 23:26.21 | tronical | but yes, it's very bad that it's building non-PIC DSOs. |
| 23:26.43 | tronical | heh |
| 23:26.44 | Dilb | tronical: I could try to force it to use PIC to see what happen |
| 23:26.46 | tronical | kernel dungeon? :) |
| 23:26.50 | kergoth | yup |
| 23:27.00 | Onyx4|work | tronical: ok now I have a input_http.s file |
| 23:27.05 | kergoth | dealing with the block device structure changes is an absolute n ightmare |
| 23:27.36 | tronical | Dilb: ok, theoretically the plugins don't need to be PIC in our case anyway, as we don't really share them at run-time |
| 23:27.37 | Onyx4|work | simon@lst.de ? |
| 23:27.45 | tronical | that's my email address, yes :) |
| 23:27.58 | Dilb | Onyx4|work: s/tronical/dilb/ |
| 23:27.59 | Onyx4|work | ok it's mailed |
| 23:28.00 | tronical | but I think... I think it was Dilb who was interested in the file ;) |
| 23:28.05 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: dilb was the one who wanted it |
| 23:28.06 | kergoth | yea |
| 23:28.08 | Onyx4|work | ah |
| 23:28.11 | Onyx4|work | what's your email? |
| 23:28.15 | Dilb | dilb@hh.org |
| 23:28.24 | Dilb | with hh being handhelds |
| 23:28.47 | ||ugh | Yea Kergoth? |
| 23:28.52 | Onyx4|work | ok mailed |
| 23:29.16 | Onyx4|work | I do see the rorw in the .s file |
| 23:30.22 | tronical | are you using distcc? |
| 23:30.30 | tronical | (with the xine build) |
| 23:30.31 | Onyx4|work | i am using ccache , not distcc |
| 23:30.38 | Onyx4|work | but I think ccache is disabled |
| 23:30.38 | tronical | ah, hhrm |
| 23:30.50 | Onyx4|work | because I don't see it on the cmdline for xine libs |
| 23:32.44 | Onyx4|work | because of export CC := $(word $(words $(CC)),$(CC)) |
| 23:35.25 | Dilb | Onyx4|work: it looks like the problem is this the htons macro |
| 23:35.33 | Dilb | s/this/with/ |
| 23:36.28 | Onyx4|work | I see |
| 23:36.33 | Dilb | Onyx4|work: can you look for its definition ? |
| 23:37.08 | Onyx4|work | so is it ok to compile libxine with -fPIC -DPIC ? if I switch to our own libtool then it uses that |
| 23:37.28 | Dilb | Onyx4|work: let's say it should not break it more |
| 23:37.59 | Onyx4|work | where should I look for that macro? |
| 23:38.31 | Dilb | I will do some debugging this week end, especially to solve the problems that are only on the arm build and not on the x86 one |
| 23:41.46 | Dilb | Onyx4|work: I'm checking on my cross compiler, where to check precisely, to avoid all the defines etc... |
| 23:41.53 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 23:43.49 | Dilb | Onyx4|work: in your cross compiler check __bswap_16 in include/bits/byteswap.h |
| 23:44.00 | kergoth | kenb: out of curiosity, what kernel is this patch you sent me against? |
| 23:45.54 | Onyx4|work | what is libgphoto2 gonna be for on zaurus? |
| 23:46.53 | kergoth | ask schurig |
| 23:47.09 | Dilb | Onyx4|work: ok, I think I've found the problem (check at least the macro) |
| 23:47.29 | Dilb | # define __bswap_16(x) \ |
| 23:47.30 | Dilb | ... |
| 23:47.35 | Dilb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.53 | Onyx4|work | which file is that? |
| 23:48.06 | Dilb | include/bits/byteswap.h for x86 |
| 23:48.39 | Onyx4|work | would that be fixed in the latest xine cvs? |
| 23:49.02 | Dilb | Onyx4|work: it has nothing to do with xine, your htons function is broken in your system |
| 23:49.07 | Dilb | or a path is wrong |
| 23:50.06 | Dilb | Onyx4|work: check what I said first, it is possible that someone did copy some missing headers in the crosscompiler to be able to compile something |
| 23:52.37 | Onyx4|work | so maybe someone put the wrong byteswap.h file, cause in my toolchain dir it's the arm version |
| 23:53.10 | Dilb | Onyx4|work: then a path is wrong somewhere |
| 23:53.19 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: fyi, you can build i18n packages for opie for the feed |
| 23:53.24 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: make lupdate; make lrelease; in the opiedir |
| 23:53.36 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: updated the opie buildsystem last night |
| 23:56.52 | Dilb | Onyx4|work: can you check src/input/.deps/input_http.Plo from xine-lib ? |
| 23:57.46 | Onyx4|work | I found a bswap.h file in there |
| 23:57.49 | Onyx4|work | ./sources/ffmpeg/libavcodec/bswap.h |
| 23:57.49 | Onyx4|work | ./build/libavcodec/bswap.h |
| 23:57.49 | Onyx4|work | ./build/xine-lib/src/dxr3/bswap.h |
| 23:57.49 | Onyx4|work | ./build/xine-lib/src/input/libdvdread/bswap.h |
| 23:57.49 | Onyx4|work | ./build/xine-lib/src/libspudec/bswap.h |
| 23:57.49 | Onyx4|work | ./build/xine-lib/src/xine-engine/bswap.h |
| 23:58.46 | Dilb | yes, but it includes only <byteswap.h>, so, if your include dirs are right it should work flawlessly |
