| 00:01.50 | mewyn | kergoth: what's the timeframe for getting OE started? |
| 00:04.16 | mewyn | lol |
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| 00:23.59 | mewyn | hey tim |
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| 01:09.50 | effy-kun | morning fols |
| 01:09.53 | effy-kun | folks ;) |
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| 03:08.30 | kergoth | hey mdz |
| 03:08.32 | kergoth | hows it goin man |
| 03:35.13 | mdz | kergoth: getting by |
| 03:35.27 | mdz | kergoth: went to LWCE last week...lots of zauruses at the show |
| 03:35.48 | mdz | still waiting for the debian-{handhelds,zaurus,whatever} mailing list to be created |
| 03:35.58 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:36.01 | kergoth | cool, keep me posted |
| 03:36.13 | mdz | came very close to getting my zaurus talking ppp with a Treo 300 to use its Internet connection |
| 03:36.13 | kergoth | how was LWCE this year? |
| 03:36.19 | mdz | small |
| 03:36.33 | kergoth | yeah, not surprising |
| 03:37.33 | mdz | not much free stuff either |
| 03:37.36 | mdz | for the same reasons I'm sure |
| 03:37.51 | mdz | the Intel booth had a bunch of zauruses set up for people to play with |
| 03:39.35 | mdz | kergoth: how is the kernel coming along? |
| 03:39.50 | kergoth | mdz: on hold due to SD |
| 03:39.55 | kergoth | mdz: and a minor bug in TS |
| 03:39.57 | mdz | man, the zaurus would really be perfect if only it had decent wide-area networking |
| 03:39.58 | kergoth | mdz: everything else is done |
| 03:40.07 | kergoth | including the buzzer driver thats a normal dsp device and all that |
| 03:40.10 | mdz | that Treo has a 144kbps connection, unlimited data, up all the time |
| 03:40.16 | mdz | nice |
| 03:40.19 | mdz | TS touch screen? |
| 03:40.22 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:40.37 | kergoth | the X values read are consistently off, by a value proportionate to the current Y value at the time read |
| 03:40.41 | kergoth | quite odd |
| 03:40.44 | mdz | weird |
| 03:40.50 | kergoth | compared 2.4.6 to 2.4.19 repeatedly, and cant find any differences other than timing |
| 03:40.52 | mdz | but Y is dead on? |
| 03:41.07 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:41.18 | mdz | how weird |
| 03:41.19 | kergoth | X fluctuates in a relationship with Y, Y is consistent |
| 03:41.24 | kergoth | yeah no kidding |
| 03:41.33 | kergoth | the tslib calibrator appears to be able to adapt to it though |
| 03:41.39 | kergoth | as it takes a center value, not just corners |
| 03:41.46 | kergoth | opie's calibration cant deal with it |
| 03:41.46 | mdz | what's the deal with SD? |
| 03:41.53 | mdz | needs a binary driver I assume |
| 03:41.56 | kergoth | well, block device changes around 2.4.10 or so |
| 03:42.02 | kergoth | the existing binary driver wont work as a result |
| 03:42.15 | kergoth | I tried dropping in a wrapper around its function calls to adapt the structures.. no luck |
| 03:42.20 | kergoth | well it worked flawlessly |
| 03:42.21 | kergoth | but |
| 03:42.33 | kergoth | the driver accesses a global array in the kernel which happens to be the structure which changed |
| 03:42.49 | kergoth | I cant wrap around that ;) i can make it access a different array, but how would i keep the arrays in sync? |
| 03:43.01 | kergoth | I could fix it in about 2 hours flat if i dared disassemble the driver |
| 03:43.06 | kergoth | but I dare not :) |
| 03:43.12 | mdz | binary drivers...yuck |
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| 03:43.41 | kergoth | mdz: no kidding |
| 03:43.48 | kergoth | mdz: considering how dynamic linux is, its a nightmare |
| 03:43.52 | mdz | who wrote that anyway? sharp? embedix? someone else? |
| 03:43.56 | kergoth | mdz: if lineo had desinged the driver sanely, i wouldnt be dealing with that now |
| 03:44.00 | kergoth | lineo/embedix & sharp |
| 03:44.11 | mdz | linux can get away with it because of the scarcity of binary drivers :-) |
| 03:44.14 | kergoth | both, according to modinfo |
| 03:44.17 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:45.05 | mdz | oh, one other big thing, rkrusty is packaging up qtopia-free for debian |
| 03:45.19 | kergoth | oh nice |
| 03:45.44 | mdz | I would probably have done it a long time ago if not for the scary build system |
| 03:45.57 | mdz | "make" tries to install stuff in my /usr -> no thanks |
| 03:46.04 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:46.12 | kergoth | opie's buildsystem is pretty spiffy now, if i do say so myslef |
| 03:46.18 | kergoth | </shameless plug> |
| 03:46.27 | kergoth | though its ipk generation still sucks, on the todo |
| 03:47.08 | mdz | oh, opie's fixed up now? maybe I should talk to him about using that instead |
| 03:48.13 | kergoth | mdz: it uses roman zippel's LinuxKernelConf as the configuration method, and qmake rather than tmake for the makefile generation |
| 03:48.20 | kergoth | make menuconfig .. make |
| 03:48.22 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:48.51 | mdz | heh |
| 03:49.06 | kergoth | autoconf 2.53, any idea how to enable config.cache use? |
| 03:49.13 | mdz | I've been hacking on mythtv a bunch lately; gotten used to qmake, it's ok |
| 03:49.22 | kergoth | i've got a configure script here for glib that i cant seem to use a cache to override its tests |
| 03:49.28 | kergoth | grr |
| 03:49.39 | mdz | for overriding, try config.site or whatever instead of a cache |
| 03:49.55 | mdz | CONFIG_SITE=/path/to/file ./configure |
| 03:50.26 | mdz | 2.5x changed the cache stuff, I've noticed the filenames and stuff are different but don't know how much else has changed |
| 03:50.36 | kergoth | By default, configure uses no cache file (technically, it uses --cache-file=/dev/null), to avoid problems caused by accidental use of stale cache files. |
| 03:50.39 | mdz | the string 'autom4te' keeps coming up, and scares me away |
| 03:50.39 | kergoth | fun |
| 03:50.44 | kergoth | ./configure -C config.cache |
| 03:50.45 | kergoth | w00t |
| 03:50.46 | kergoth | ;) |
| 03:52.10 | mdz | I guess too many people were including config.cache in their distributions or something |
| 03:52.15 | mdz | sure does slow things down |
| 03:52.16 | kergoth | guess so |
| 03:52.19 | kergoth | or pushing them into cvs |
| 03:52.36 | mdz | configure --enable-maintainer-mode should turn on caching, that would be smart |
| 03:52.47 | mdz | because the same folks using that will be doing a ton of rebuilds in the same tree |
| 03:52.58 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:53.29 | kergoth | mdz: thanks for the pointers |
| 03:53.38 | kergoth | I learned the old autoconf, but 2.5 has be confused again |
| 03:53.39 | mdz | no worries |
| 03:53.40 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:53.57 | mdz | it doesn't take a version number change to get re-confused by autoconf |
| 03:54.09 | mdz | I have to re-learn half of it every time I need to deal with it |
| 03:54.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:54.48 | kergoth | good point |
| 03:55.13 | mdz | wrist break, back in a bit |
| 03:55.16 | kergoth | k |
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| 04:00.16 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:00.35 | mdz | say, is there any hope for usb networking sucking a bit less in the future? |
| 04:00.46 | kergoth | using usbnet instead of usbdnet is a start |
| 04:00.56 | kergoth | get 2.4.20 + the usbnet zaurus patch, or 2.4.21-pre which includes it |
| 04:01.02 | kergoth | it wont panic your box |
| 04:01.05 | kergoth | which is an improvement |
| 04:01.05 | kergoth | :D |
| 04:01.32 | mdz | yay |
| 04:02.01 | mdz | now if only dhcpd would detect new interfaces coming up without being restarted, it would actually be usable |
| 04:02.05 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: they're port the 2.4.19 to the vr3 |
| 04:02.27 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: nice |
| 04:02.38 | kergoth | why, oh why, do buildsystems _never_ handle crosscompilation sanely? |
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| 04:02.57 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: must create something for that |
| 04:03.47 | mdz | hmm...I just checked out a fresh opie and ran "make clean" and it is compiling things with gcc :-) |
| 04:04.13 | mdz | kergoth: what's different in the opie build between Zaurus and iPAQ? |
| 04:04.20 | kergoth | mdz: hardware specific bits |
| 04:04.28 | kergoth | mdz: the TS interface is different for example |
| 04:04.41 | kergoth | most hardware specific bits are dealt with at runtime by libopie |
| 04:04.53 | kergoth | but anything in library aka libqpe which is hardware dependent is dealt with at compiletime |
| 04:04.56 | kergoth | per qtopia, for compatibility |
| 04:04.57 | mdz | taking another look at packaging this beast maybe |
| 04:05.15 | mdz | can it do vpath builds? |
| 04:05.27 | mdz | I'd probably want to build both |
| 04:06.10 | kergoth | vpath builds.. seperate build obj trees? |
| 04:06.22 | kergoth | brb, need a drink |
| 04:06.27 | walters | mdz: hacking on Debain/Zaurus recently? |
| 04:06.46 | mdz | walters: unfortunately not, but I'm starting to play with it again just recently |
| 04:07.07 | walters | mdz: cool :) |
| 04:07.22 | mdz | walters: know any listmasters I can bribe to get #174635 closed? |
| 04:07.41 | walters | mdz: did you talk to Joy? |
| 04:07.42 | kergoth | mdz: you know if anyone has started submitting patches to split up various packages to increase package granularity for use in embedded systems/ |
| 04:07.47 | mdz | I meant to prod Joy about it, but I keep missing him on irc |
| 04:07.50 | walters | mdz: he's usually pretty malleable about these things i think |
| 04:08.56 | mdz | kergoth: no...I think probably it's better done with something like apt-src, unless it's trivial things like stripping documentation |
| 04:11.26 | mdz | otherwise it gets complicated with regard to dependencies and such |
| 04:11.34 | mdz | dpkg exclusions would help a lot |
| 04:12.36 | kergoth | mdz: god man, you should see me trying to manage a sane package feed with only ipkg |
| 04:12.51 | kergoth | mdz: it doesnt have suggests or recommends.. making upgrade paths soon when splitting an existing package is a bitch. |
| 04:12.51 | mdz | I used openzaurus on my trip...you've got quite a bit of stuff in there |
| 04:13.50 | james_lan-deskto | people were talking about portage, anything come of that, aside from excess irc bits? |
| 04:14.11 | mdz | apt is pretty rough on the zaurus though |
| 04:14.18 | mdz | I bet it's a lot better on the xscale |
| 04:14.18 | kergoth | yeah, its a heavyweight |
| 04:14.22 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:14.23 | mdz | the 5600 |
| 04:14.39 | kergoth | remember, 5600 isnt pxa255/c0, its got the cache issues |
| 04:14.40 | mdz | the biggest problem for me was fitting the package lists and cache |
| 04:14.43 | mewyn | kergoth: my ideas put to paper, although a bit disorganized www.tuxnami.org/~mike/dragonclaw.txt |
| 04:14.54 | mdz | I don't know much about the hardware at all; I just saw many more MHz :-) |
| 04:15.05 | kergoth | mdz: its slower in some things, equal in others. |
| 04:15.06 | james_lan-deskto | how well is linux working dispite those? |
| 04:15.09 | kergoth | mdz: and that about sums it up. |
| 04:15.19 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:15.29 | kergoth | mdz: I have a C700 unit here, on loan from dynamism |
| 04:15.35 | kergoth | mdz: i havent had time to do performance testing though |
| 04:16.29 | james_lan-deskto | does anyone have linux benchmarks of SA-1110 and pxa-250s? |
| 04:16.44 | james_lan-deskto | ibot pxa250 benchmarks |
| 04:16.53 | | james_lan-deskto: I give up, what is it? |
| 04:17.16 | mdz | kergoth: well, that's not very encouraging |
| 04:18.37 | mdz | kergoth: it's been a while since I used qtopia...is it still being developed? opie is ahead feature-wise, right? |
| 04:18.50 | mdz | (discussing the packaging of one or both in email now) |
| 04:19.17 | kergoth | qtopia 1.6 has improved a bit |
| 04:19.41 | kergoth | opie merged in its imporvements and continues to be developed, so i'd say opie is ahead |
| 04:19.50 | mdz | ok |
| 04:19.53 | kergoth | also, qtopia 1.6's ddatabase backend isnt scalable at all |
| 04:19.55 | kergoth | badly designed |
| 04:20.19 | kergoth | thing is, opie isnt released. 1.0 is coming, but until then its heavily in flux |
| 04:20.28 | kergoth | and anyone packging it had damn well be aware of that |
| 04:20.29 | james_lan-deskto | does/is opie (planning on) using a db backend? |
| 04:20.32 | kergoth | it could segfault. ;) |
| 04:20.38 | kergoth | james_lan-deskto: it already exists. |
| 04:20.49 | kergoth | james_lan-deskto: sqlite backend.. but afaik its been held up |
| 04:21.00 | kergoth | james_lan-deskto: the main guy working on the pim improvements was in the hospital |
| 04:21.17 | james_lan-deskto | that isn't good, for what? |
| 04:21.27 | mdz | kergoth: great, any other ammo you can give me would be great |
| 04:21.38 | mdz | kergoth: I assume it's easier to get patches into opie? |
| 04:22.25 | kergoth | yep, send a patch to the list, if its sane it'll be included within days generally |
| 04:22.38 | kergoth | james_lan-deskto: i dont recall the condition. something intestinal iirc |
| 04:23.39 | ljp | patch? |
| 04:23.53 | kergoth | mdz: do note just how much of a pain in the ass it has been releasing a product with a nonreleased GUI. people have the expectations of a released product, so when it segfaults they're unhappy :) |
| 04:24.57 | mdz | "*** Next, you may run 'makee'." |
| 04:25.02 | mdz | I assume that means make :-) |
| 04:25.08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:25.09 | kergoth | yes |
| 04:25.13 | kergoth | brb |
| 04:25.21 | ljp | no.. run makee |
| 04:25.32 | ljp | :) |
| 04:26.21 | james_lan-deskto | kergoth: about that issue with opie-logon not working, it seems it is just segfaulting, because I believe it wants to hit something in /home/root (either that or something I can't decipher) |
| 04:27.57 | mdz | ln: creating symbolic link `./qgfx_qws.h' to `../src/kernel/qgfx_qws.h': Permission denied |
| 04:28.02 | james_lan-deskto | prob should reflash anyway (partly botched upgrade, wlan not working etc), so I will test if it is a perm issue in dev (chmod 777 /dev/* :) , then reflash!) |
| 04:28.05 | mdz | kergoth: please tell me it is possible to build opie as non-root now :-) |
| 04:28.37 | james_lan-deskto | mdz build or login to? |
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| 04:29.04 | kergoth | mdz: of course. I never compile anything as root. |
| 04:29.41 | mdz | kergoth: any idea why it's trying to write to my /usr/share/qt? |
| 04:29.41 | kergoth | mdz: it creates links in your QTDIR.. necessary for the X11 build.. i.e. if you build for x11, those links get altered, then build for embedded again, it needs to put them back |
| 04:29.45 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:30.02 | james_lan-deskto | ahh, #$@$$% I was afraid it would work, now what was it choking on, argh! |
| 04:30.10 | mdz | oh, it can build for x11 too? nice |
| 04:30.11 | kergoth | mdz: at build time it expects QTDIR to be the qt source dir, not runtime |
| 04:30.16 | kergoth | mdz: :) |
| 04:30.22 | mdz | hmmmm |
| 04:30.49 | kergoth | for x11 we could change it, make it copy the qt headers somewher elocal before altering them |
| 04:30.52 | james_lan-deskto | I hate when things work for reasons I didn't think of |
| 04:31.01 | kergoth | that'd remove that problem |
| 04:31.17 | kergoth | mdz: I'll take care of it. for now, use a qt/x11 source dir :) |
| 04:31.34 | kergoth | generally people build against qt/e, which generally isnt somewhere like /usr/share ;) |
| 04:31.56 | mdz | that's what I just did to work around it |
| 04:32.06 | mdz | cp -a /usr/share/qt someplace/else && fix the symlinks |
| 04:32.19 | kergoth | hmm, wonder if i could make the buildsystem recognize from $QTDIR whether its qt/x11 or qt/e |
| 04:32.22 | kergoth | then adapt the config on the fly |
| 04:32.24 | kergoth | .. |
| 04:32.42 | mdz | you should talk to rkrusty |
| 04:32.55 | mdz | he was just saying that trying to build qtopia was pointing out some problems with the way qt-embedded was packaged |
| 04:33.36 | kergoth | ah, yeah i could talk to him, find out what his needs are regarding the build |
| 04:33.41 | kergoth | email? |
| 04:33.49 | mdz | "Ivan E. Moore II" <rkrusty@earthlink.net> |
| 04:34.20 | mdz | might want to copy 178676@bugs.debian.org (qtopia wnpp bug) if it's relevant |
| 04:34.30 | mdz | or me |
| 04:34.31 | kergoth | okay, thanks |
| 04:34.53 | kergoth | I should get more involved with debian.. just not enoguh time in the day to juggle everything |
| 04:35.19 | mdz | don't I know it |
| 04:36.46 | mdz | a mailing list would help a lot in keeping up with this particular aspect of things |
| 04:36.59 | mdz | people have been coming out of the woodwork wanting to work on debian handheld stuff |
| 04:37.49 | mdz | I need a new hard drive |
| 04:37.56 | mdz | all this qt development has eaten the last of my disk space |
| 04:38.04 | mdz | /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 |
| 04:38.04 | mdz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:40.16 | virtuous | kergoth, awake? |
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| 07:24.44 | virtuous | is there an easy/clean way to grab the openzaurus buildkit? |
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| 10:33.58 | effy | sup carsten |
| 10:40.00 | carsten | not enough time to do all the things I want to do ;) |
| 10:40.13 | effy | of course ;) |
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| 11:04.18 | carsten | effy: you are japanese? |
| 11:08.46 | effy | no, Im American |
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| 11:09.03 | effy | I just live in Japan |
| 11:10.07 | carsten | mmh, so you don't know what I need to do if I want to use OPIE with hungarien letters? |
| 11:10.17 | effy | nope hehe |
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| 11:40.30 | effy | sorry I'm no help |
| 11:45.43 | carsten | hunger: are you Tobias? |
| 11:49.48 | hunger | carsten: Yes, I am. |
| 11:49.54 | hunger | carsten: Who are you? |
| 11:51.51 | carsten | Carsten Niehaus. I just saw you name in my gpg --list-sigs |
| 13:00.06 | effy | carsten: you know if there is a compatibility list for wireless cards on OZ? |
| 13:00.46 | carsten | noida |
| 13:00.51 | carsten | almost ;) |
| 13:00.53 | carsten | no idea |
| 13:01.32 | effy | hehe |
| 13:03.14 | effy | SLOTs are allowed to take parameters, arent they? |
| 13:06.02 | carsten | sure |
| 13:06.26 | effy | mine is complaining hehe |
| 13:06.44 | carsten | you can even define new slots with new signals |
| 13:06.49 | carsten | that is all very flexible |
| 13:07.13 | effy | hmmmm |
| 13:07.39 | effy | I'm passing mine a pointer to a QString |
| 13:07.59 | effy | but when I run it I get "QObject::connect: No such slot MyOwnLabel::toggle(button1Str)" |
| 13:08.01 | carsten | better use references |
| 13:08.18 | carsten | do you have a slot toggle(QString*)? |
| 13:08.22 | effy | yeah |
| 13:08.52 | carsten | and that is within MyOwnLabel? |
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| 13:10.11 | effy | yeah |
| 13:10.29 | effy | how do I initialize a reference to "hello"? hehe |
| 13:10.38 | carsten | what is hello? |
| 13:10.48 | effy | QString &button2Str(mybutton2->text()); |
| 13:11.03 | effy | the text of QPushButton mybutton2 is "hello" |
| 13:11.45 | effy | or QString &button2Str = mybutton2->text();? |
| 13:11.58 | carsten | who the & |
| 13:12.04 | effy | ? |
| 13:12.04 | carsten | QString foo = blah->text() |
| 13:14.31 | effy | damn, still complaining about it |
| 13:14.39 | effy | QObject::connect: No such slot MyOwnLabel::toggle(&button1Str) |
| 13:14.52 | effy | I need to study more about references |
| 13:15.29 | effy | I could have sworn the way I'm doing it is right heh |
| 13:19.24 | carsten | look at oxygen |
| 13:19.32 | carsten | there I also define my own signals and such |
| 13:19.37 | carsten | pretty easy code |
| 13:21.25 | effy | oxygen? |
| 13:22.58 | carsten | one of my apps in opie |
| 13:26.07 | effy | can you send me the source? |
| 13:26.13 | carsten | dcc? |
| 13:28.14 | effy | sure |
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| 13:30.57 | carsten | dcc waits |
| 13:30.59 | effy | hello? |
| 13:31.20 | effy | ah ok |
| 13:31.20 | effy | heh |
| 13:31.31 | effy | hmmmm |
| 13:31.41 | effy | email? |
| 13:41.20 | effy | thanks |
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| 13:54.00 | effy | I dont get it, it seems you are not specifying the exact nature of the data in the connect statement |
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| 16:05.57 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:06.18 | jmhodges | hola |
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| 16:08.16 | chouimat | morning |
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| 19:35.37 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus - see OpenZaurus.org |
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| 19:57.46 | midway | hi all |
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| 21:07.16 | midway | it's so quiet in here... |
| 21:07.37 | kergoth | yeah, most of the discussion happens in the open embedded channel |
| 21:07.48 | kergoth | this is the user support piece for OZ |
| 21:08.01 | kergoth | OE is where the devs hang out, working on OZ/OE |
| 21:08.36 | midway | interesting |
| 21:08.59 | kergoth | bleh, the topic got hosed |
| 21:09.22 | *** topic/#openzaurus by kergoth -> OpenZaurus project - now a component of the larger Open Embedded infrastructure, /join #openembedded |
| 21:18.32 | Bovine | how do I extract files from a .ipk ? |
| 21:18.38 | Bovine | with out installing it |
| 21:19.18 | Bovine | kernel-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228_6-1b_arm.ipk: Debian binary package (format 2.0) |
| 21:19.21 | Bovine | hrm |
| 21:19.57 | kergoth | ar x blah.ipk |
| 21:20.03 | Bovine | ahh |
| 21:25.11 | Bovine | m'kay, I take it the hostap module that where included in 3.1RC1 aren't in that ipk then :/ |
| 21:25.19 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:25.26 | kergoth | yes, they are |
| 21:25.29 | kergoth | the modules were called prism2 |
| 21:25.31 | kergoth | not hostap |
| 21:25.45 | kergoth | i split the packages at the same time as doing the rename |
| 21:25.48 | kergoth | they renamed it some time ago |
| 21:25.52 | Bovine | ahh |
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| 21:33.40 | pnis | hi |
| 21:33.44 | LordVan | how can i update all installed packages ? |
| 21:33.58 | LordVan | nm.. |
| 21:33.59 | pnis | i have a feature request for oz3.1 unstable |
| 21:34.07 | pnis | i need a font package !:) |
| 21:34.17 | pnis | opie needs it |
| 21:35.16 | pnis | LordVan: leave opive |
| 21:35.20 | ljp_work | there's no fonts? |
| 21:35.21 | pnis | LordVan: and than |
| 21:35.25 | pnis | LordVan: ipkg update |
| 21:35.29 | pnis | LordVan: ipkg upgrade |
| 21:35.45 | pnis | ljp_work: no, afaict in current unstable |
| 21:35.58 | pnis | that's what opie asks for in the log |
| 21:38.32 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:38.37 | kergoth | pnis: ipkg install libqt2-emb-fonts |
| 21:38.47 | kergoth | pnis: that dependency issue is fixed in cvs, just not in our unstable feed yet |
| 21:39.05 | kergoth | pnis: we renamed the opie lib packages to comply with debian's naming |
| 21:39.40 | LordVan | pnis: thx ;) almost forgot to stop opie ;) |
| 21:40.01 | pnis | kergoth: cool, thanks |
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| 21:40.42 | pnis | ah it is not in the unstable feed yet |
| 21:40.48 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:40.51 | kergoth | huh? |
| 21:40.51 | LordVan | kergoth: you kind adding the kanji-dict to oz feed? |
| 21:41.07 | kergoth | LordVan: we only add items to the OZ feed that we have our buildsystem building from source |
| 21:41.15 | pnis | # ipkg install libqt2-emb-fonts |
| 21:41.15 | pnis | Multiple providers (0). Not defaulting providers automatically.Please request one of the above providing packages by name.Cannot find package libqt2-emb-fonts. |
| 21:41.15 | pnis | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.18 | kergoth | LordVan: if you're volunteering to do so, great, otherwise it'll be a while before i have time to do so |
| 21:41.42 | kergoth | pnis: http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/libqt2-emb-fonts_2.3.4-beta4-2a_arm.ipk |
| 21:41.45 | kergoth | ~lart pnis |
| 21:41.51 | pnis | hehe |
| 21:42.02 | pnis | but than the "Packages" is not updated? |
| 21:42.06 | pnis | or ipkg is broken |
| 21:42.07 | pnis | :) |
| 21:42.23 | kergoth | you did ipk gupdate right? |
| 21:42.43 | Bovine | raa, monitor mode under 3.1RC2, my Z is complete :) |
| 21:43.21 | pnis | kergoth: i did |
| 21:43.23 | pnis | 3 times |
| 21:43.26 | pnis | :) |
| 21:43.33 | pnis | but the url works fine now" |
| 21:43.35 | pnis | ! |
| 21:43.44 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:44.26 | LordVan | kergoth: well there are nice packages already .. ;) |
| 21:44.39 | pnis | cool, everything is working again perfectly :) |
| 21:45.01 | pnis | and suspend takes little time too now |
| 21:45.14 | kergoth | LordVan: ? |
| 21:45.20 | kergoth | suspend has always had a delay |
| 21:45.28 | kergoth | that delay may fluctuate |
| 21:45.28 | LordVan | kergoth: or what you meant with 'if i do it' ? |
| 21:45.39 | kergoth | LordVan: I'm not adding packages to our feed without adding their builds to our buildsystem. |
| 21:45.46 | pnis | kergoth: before the upgrade it took 27 seconds |
| 21:46.22 | LordVan | kergoth: ic .. well i don't even have a working cross-compiler ;) |
| 21:46.37 | kergoth | LordVan: then you'll have to wait for me to do it, and its really far down on my todo list :) |
| 21:46.42 | kergoth | pnis: as i said, it may fluctuate |
| 21:46.50 | pnis | oh that much? |
| 21:46.50 | kergoth | pnis: theres _nothing_ we can do about it, its a falw in the apm implementation |
| 21:46.54 | LordVan | kergoth: well i never got that cross-compiler working ;) |
| 21:46.57 | kergoth | pnis: I wont be able to do anything until the upgrade |
| 21:47.18 | pnis | kergoth: i understand, it is no problem for me |
| 21:48.09 | pnis | kergoth: what kind of flaw is it in the apm implementation by the way? |
| 21:48.45 | pnis | and it used to happen with the sharp rom too? |
| 21:49.32 | LordVan | is there some way i can turn backlight on in console? |
| 21:49.52 | Bovine | hold down the menu key perhaps? |
| 21:50.38 | kergoth | pnis: nonono |
| 21:50.40 | kergoth | long story |
| 21:50.41 | kergoth | hold on |
| 21:50.43 | kergoth | i'm on a call |
| 21:50.49 | pnis | sure |
| 21:55.52 | kergoth | alright |
| 21:55.55 | kergoth | heres the situation |
| 21:56.06 | kergoth | if you run apmd, and then call apm --suspend, your Z will never wake up |
| 21:56.14 | kergoth | the same is true if your kernel autosuspends you in console |
| 21:56.38 | kergoth | we werent able to isolate the bug, but it was determined that if the apm daemon calls the suspend out within its event loop, the problem doesnt occur |
| 21:56.43 | kergoth | so we catch a signal in apmd to do so |
| 21:56.56 | pnis | i see |
| 21:56.57 | kergoth | 'apm' is just a shell script that signals apmd if you call it with -s or --suspend |
| 21:57.08 | kergoth | you dont see it in sharp, becaues sharp uses atd, not apmd + opiealarm |
| 21:57.19 | kergoth | so you can rmeove the delay by going back to atd, but you remember the time loss bugs back then |
| 21:57.22 | kergoth | .. |
| 21:57.32 | pnis | aha i see |
| 21:57.50 | pnis | tricky |
| 21:57.51 | kergoth | now i dont want to waste time digging into the apm implementation in 2.4.6.. |
| 21:57.58 | kergoth | its not worth our time to waste on it when 2.4.19 is so close |
| 21:58.04 | pnis | yes, of course |
| 21:58.13 | pnis | i agree |
| 21:58.44 | pnis | atd has something to do with apm ? i thought it was for the at command |
| 21:58.52 | kergoth | nope |
| 21:58.54 | kergoth | its a different atd |
| 21:59.00 | pnis | oh |
| 21:59.03 | kergoth | its an alarm daemon which sets the opie alarms into the rtc |
| 21:59.06 | kergoth | to schedule a wakeup |
| 21:59.15 | kergoth | otherwise your Z wont wake up from suspend to alarm you :) |
| 21:59.16 | pnis | i see |
| 21:59.22 | kergoth | it also syncs the hw and sw clocks on suspend |
| 21:59.27 | kergoth | which is why the time loss bug existed |
| 21:59.29 | kergoth | it wasnt working |
| 21:59.32 | pnis | :) |
| 21:59.46 | kergoth | opiealarm isnt a daemon, it gets called by a suspend script from apmd on suspend |
| 21:59.55 | kergoth | without apmd we dont have suspend/resume scripts |
| 22:00.01 | kergoth | so you cant use opiealarm.. atd is the only option |
| 22:00.17 | pnis | so atd had workarounds for the buggy kernel? |
| 22:00.19 | pnis | i see |
| 22:01.16 | kergoth | no, atd didnt touch apm |
| 22:01.23 | kergoth | apmd opens the apm_bios device |
| 22:01.26 | kergoth | and waits for apm events |
| 22:01.30 | kergoth | i.e. suspend, resume, battery low |
| 22:01.43 | pnis | ok |
| 22:02.07 | pnis | so when I pressed on/off on the sharp rom, which program switched it off? |
| 22:02.11 | kergoth | that apparently interferes with apm's --suspend, which opens apm_bios _also_, and calls suspend |
| 22:02.20 | kergoth | qtoipa caught the suspend |
| 22:02.23 | kergoth | and called out apm -s |
| 22:02.27 | kergoth | same as qtopia does now |
| 22:02.33 | kergoth | but apm -s cant be called with apmd running, for whatever reason |
| 22:02.34 | kergoth | b00m |
| 22:02.36 | kergoth | hence the problem |
| 22:02.46 | pnis | aha I see now! |
| 22:02.53 | pnis | thanks for explaining |
| 22:02.58 | kergoth | no problem |
| 22:03.04 | kergoth | neale and i hammered on that one for a while |
| 22:03.18 | kergoth | I dont know what possessed neale to try doing the suspend from within the apm daemon's event loop, but it worked |
| 22:03.21 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:03.30 | pnis | :) |
| 22:05.21 | LordVan | i got a problem .. |
| 22:05.30 | LordVan | ipkg upgrade always stops here: |
| 22:05.32 | LordVan | Upgrading opie-light-and-power on root from 0.9.1-20021214 to 0.9.1-20030123... |
| 22:05.32 | LordVan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.32 | LordVan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.03 | pnis | try |
| 22:07.11 | pnis | LordVan: mount -o remount,sync,w / |
| 22:07.18 | pnis | LordVan: and than try upgrade again |
| 22:07.23 | pnis | maybe it helps? |
| 22:07.45 | LordVan | ok |
| 22:08.14 | LordVan | no change.. |
| 22:09.31 | pnis | than I have no idea |
| 22:09.51 | pnis | just a thought - run /etc/init.d/syslog start |
| 22:09.52 | kergoth | just let it go |
| 22:10.03 | kergoth | the less space you have in jffs2, the longer it'll take |
| 22:10.05 | kergoth | just let it go |
| 22:10.11 | kergoth | i've seen an upgrade take 30 minutes for one package once |
| 22:10.27 | LordVan | kergoth: ouch .. |
| 22:10.40 | pnis | hehe |
| 22:10.58 | kergoth | Applying 26 revisions to new file packages/glib2/Makefile |
| 22:10.58 | kergoth | Applying 27 revisions to new file packages/glib2-build/Makefile |
| 22:11.00 | kergoth | holy crap |
| 22:11.02 | LordVan | after the syslog start it works :) |
| 22:11.03 | kergoth | i edited those alot |
| 22:11.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:11.21 | LordVan | at least now it does extract files ;) |
| 22:11.24 | kergoth | pnis: found bk cp.. you can copy a file within the repos and retain the original's history in boht |
| 22:11.27 | kergoth | pnis: kinda nifty |
| 22:11.38 | LordVan | and got stuck there .. anyway i don't need it now so i'll let it go ;) |
| 22:12.32 | pnis | kergoth: sounds good |
| 22:12.50 | pnis | kergoth: well bk was good enough for linus' fine taste |
| 22:12.54 | pnis | too |
| 22:13.38 | pnis | glib2 is gpe ? |
| 22:13.58 | pnis | is = is for |
| 22:15.21 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:15.25 | kergoth | glib2, i'll add gtk2 sohrtly |
| 22:15.28 | LordVan | wtf .. Downloading http://openzaurus.org/official/testing/feed/libxine1_1.0.0-2_arm.ipk |
| 22:15.32 | kergoth | it was a bitch, i had to add a x86 build of it first |
| 22:15.32 | LordVan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.32 | LordVan | xine? |
| 22:15.32 | LordVan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.35 | kergoth | then the arm build of it uses it |
| 22:15.40 | kergoth | LordVan: libxine is used for op2 |
| 22:15.44 | LordVan | kergoth: python? ;) |
| 22:15.44 | pnis | kergoth: hehehe :) |
| 22:15.55 | LordVan | ic |
| 22:16.28 | pnis | what is Z$B!') ? |
| 22:16.29 | kergoth | pnis: another auto* buildsystem that doesnt have the ability to build its build executables with x86, and the rest with crosscompilation |
| 22:16.54 | LordVan | argh .. sorry |
| 22:16.57 | LordVan | japanese input mehtod.. |
| 22:17.04 | LordVan | meant to be Z :) |
| 22:17.22 | pnis | kergoth: mplayer did that too until Aman fixed it - but this must have been a lot more sever |
| 22:17.24 | pnis | e |
| 22:17.29 | pnis | LordVan: oh :) |
| 22:17.51 | kergoth | pnis: the x86 binary uses a x86 lib |
| 22:17.54 | LordVan | pnis: i still switch it on accidetally sometimes ;) |
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| 22:18.03 | kergoth | pnis: i had to add a dir in staging for x86 libraries, and add it to LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 22:18.23 | kergoth | pnis: so now thers output/staging/arm-linux/lib, output/staging/i386-linux/bin, etc |
| 22:18.34 | kergoth | it was about time i started splitting things up by target/build anyway |
| 22:19.20 | pnis | yes that's nice - and there are othjer such broken packages probably |
| 22:20.01 | pnis | LordVan: so you are from/in Japan ? |
| 22:20.17 | kergoth | LordVan: c700? |
| 22:20.23 | kergoth | LordVan: or 5x00? |
| 22:20.31 | LordVan | pnis: nope just learning japanese ;) |
| 22:20.36 | LordVan | kergoth: 5x00 ;) |
| 22:20.52 | kurre | can someone tell whats the current gcc version used to compile software in OZ v3.1rc2 ? |
| 22:20.56 | pnis | LordVan: i see |
| 22:21.03 | pnis | LordVan: is it an sl5500? |
| 22:21.08 | kergoth | just checkign. c700 has a japanese input switch for the harware keyboard input |
| 22:21.14 | kergoth | which deafults to on alot of hte time |
| 22:21.22 | kergoth | so i keep accidentally typing japanese :) |
| 22:21.35 | kergoth | kurre: we're using 2.95.3 atm. |
| 22:21.51 | pnis | kergoth: you got a c700 for development ?:) |
| 22:22.33 | LordVan | pnis: SL 5500G |
| 22:22.46 | LordVan | kergoth: nice :) i want one :) |
| 22:25.06 | kurre | kergoth: thanks for the info. You don't happen to know about the required old libs for the Hancom & Opera with OZ v3.1rc2 ? The link in faq seems to be broken ... |
| 22:26.04 | kergoth | pnis: loaner unit, only have it for a month or so |
| 22:26.07 | kergoth | kurre: you dont need them. |
| 22:26.11 | kergoth | kurre: the apps work fine out of the box. |
| 22:26.38 | pnis | kergoth: that's cool - did you get it from sharp ? |
| 22:27.20 | kergoth | pnis: nope, dynamism. |
| 22:27.50 | kergoth | LordVan: c700 is a clamshell unit |
| 22:27.55 | kergoth | LordVan: 640x480 lcd |
| 22:28.10 | LordVan | sounds nice .. |
| 22:28.14 | LordVan | got any pics ? |
| 22:29.04 | pnis | kergoth: cool - i guess it would make dynamism's job much easier, if they just had to flash OZ on it |
| 22:29.47 | kergoth | pnis: hehe |
| 22:29.54 | kergoth | pnis: I'm assisting them w/ the conversion |
| 22:29.59 | kurre | kergoth: ok, that for sure sounds great. |
| 22:29.59 | LordVan | nm i got this: http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtml |
| 22:30.06 | kergoth | pnis: but its nice to have a unit for testing.. when they release the sources i'll put OZ on it |
| 22:30.43 | pnis | kergoth: ah, so not for OZ in the first place |
| 22:30.51 | kergoth | pnis: right, they want to alter the sharp rom, not replae it |
| 22:31.04 | pnis | kergoth: aha, good |
| 22:31.28 | pnis | kergoth: a job that you like i guess |
| 22:31.34 | pnis | kergoth: sounds good |
| 22:32.05 | kergoth | i always like new toys |
| 22:32.06 | kergoth | cant complain |
| 22:32.08 | kergoth | :D |
| 22:32.11 | pnis | kergoth: :) |
| 22:35.30 | pnis | i am lucky too - i failed this f****** exam twice sofar, next week will be my last attempt this year he he |
| 22:36.41 | kergoth | heh, damn |
| 22:37.21 | pnis | this calculus is really interesting - the teacher is a real idiot, and one has to learn every theorem by heart precisely |
| 22:37.47 | pnis | but i guess when I will work as a programmer or whatever, I will use this knowledge a lot |
| 22:37.49 | pnis | so I don't mind |
| 22:37.53 | pnis | he hehe eh :) |
| 22:40.02 | kergoth | eek |
| 22:40.11 | kergoth | i just typed ipkg files libqt3-dev on my debian box |
| 22:40.41 | pnis | :) |
| 22:41.18 | LordVan | ;D |
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| 22:58.30 | Bovine | anyone had any luck with prboom? |
| 22:58.36 | Bovine | I get - Couldn't set 320x200 video mode [No video mode large enough for 320x200] |
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| 23:35.53 | pnis | bedtime for me |
| 23:35.56 | pnis | goodnight all |
| 23:35.59 | kergoth | night pnis |
| 23:36.05 | pnis | bye kergoth |
| 23:37.24 | Bovine | hmm, does it make me sad to be able to remember all these old doom levels like the back of my hand after all these years? :? |
| 23:37.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:37.48 | kergoth | i can remember a shitload off the top of my head |
| 23:37.55 | kergoth | fun stuff |
| 23:38.00 | LordVan | nite :) |
| 23:38.18 | Bovine | I'm using the shareware doom1 wad atm, I think I played that the most when it came out. |
| 23:38.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:38.34 | kergoth | i remember when both wolf3d and doom came out |
| 23:38.39 | kergoth | fucking amazing compared to anything before |
| 23:39.01 | Bovine | yeah... memories :) |
| 23:39.13 | kergoth | i remember my dad got motion sickness from wolf3d |
| 23:39.15 | Bovine | prboom is pretty quick on the Z |
| 23:39.16 | kergoth | like the first day we had it |
| 23:39.17 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:39.18 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:39.19 | Bovine | heh |
| 23:39.39 | Bovine | faster than Quake anyhow |
| 23:49.35 | mewyn | ugh. tonight i've got to go around grabbing packages to make my linux |
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| 23:57.08 | KeyserSoze | what shell does OZ use by default, and what is it's startup script (like .bashrc is for bash) |
| 23:57.13 | kergoth | ash. |
| 23:57.19 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.46 | KeyserSoze | thanks. |
| 23:57.56 | kergoth | np |
| 23:58.17 | KeyserSoze | does .profile get sourced when a terminal is started? |
| 23:58.26 | kergoth | define 'a terminal' |
| 23:58.40 | kergoth | embeddedkonsole spawns the shell as a login shell, which sources them, yes |
| 23:58.43 | kergoth | if thats what you mean |
| 23:58.46 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:59.06 | KeyserSoze | i don't know what embeddedkonsole is. i meant the "terminal" application, in OZ. |
| 23:59.19 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:59.22 | kergoth | its not called terminal |
| 23:59.24 | kergoth | its called Konsole. |
| 23:59.38 | kergoth | assuming you arent on an ancient OZ version |
| 23:59.49 | kergoth | but yes, the _gui_ terminal, regardless of its name, stars a login shell |
| 23:59.54 | KeyserSoze | define 'ancient' |
| 23:59.58 | kergoth | however, that feature was added at a certain point in development, the version you have may not have it |