| 00:00.02 | kergoth | 3.0 is old. |
| 00:00.11 | kergoth | 2.9 is worse :) |
| 00:01.24 | KeyserSoze | i have 0.9.1-snapshot of Opie. how do i find what version of OZ? |
| 00:01.44 | kergoth | Applications->Sysinfo |
| 00:01.46 | kergoth | Version tab |
| 00:01.50 | kergoth | or |
| 00:01.52 | kergoth | cat /etc/oz_version |
| 00:01.55 | kergoth | or |
| 00:01.59 | kergoth | ipkg info oz-base |
| 00:02.25 | KeyserSoze | kernel is 2.4.6-rmk1-np1-embed, compiled by some guy coincidentally named "kergoth" :D |
| 00:02.47 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:04.30 | KeyserSoze | version says 0.3-6g |
| 00:05.01 | KeyserSoze | i don't have an /etc/oz_version file. |
| 00:05.15 | kergoth | hm |
| 00:05.19 | kergoth | all i can say is its old |
| 00:05.23 | kergoth | very old |
| 00:05.28 | kergoth | i dont recall when i added oz_version |
| 00:05.36 | kergoth | lets check the source repository logs |
| 00:05.39 | KeyserSoze | okay, i guess i should update. |
| 00:05.59 | KeyserSoze | don't bother checking, i'll just update as soon as i get a chance. |
| 00:06.30 | kergoth | it was added in 20021205 |
| 00:06.44 | kergoth | k |
| 00:07.25 | KeyserSoze | how do i set an alias in ash? |
| 00:07.46 | KeyserSoze | i tried: alias my_alias='some stuff', and it didn't seem to work. |
| 00:08.08 | kergoth | does 'alias' show my_alias? |
| 00:08.49 | KeyserSoze | no, it doesn't. |
| 00:08.59 | kergoth | hmm, odd |
| 00:09.22 | kergoth | my Z is down atm, running the 2.4.19-rmk4-cl1 kernel, paniced :) |
| 00:09.32 | KeyserSoze | it's actually: alias obd2='arm-obd2 0 --rpm --speed --ignitionTime' |
| 00:10.06 | KeyserSoze | i'll try double quotes, maybe |
| 00:15.25 | KeyserSoze | yeah, it doesn't this, either.: alias dog='cat' |
| 00:17.44 | kergoth | weird |
| 00:17.48 | kergoth | i'll take a look at it when i get home |
| 00:17.50 | kergoth | at work atm |
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| 00:24.50 | ljp_ | work? still? |
| 00:25.07 | kergoth | here for another half an hour |
| 00:25.09 | kergoth | i work 10-7 |
| 00:25.23 | kergoth | 6-7 is only for people with support contracts |
| 00:25.31 | kergoth | i havent had _one_ call since swithcing to the new schedule |
| 00:25.34 | kergoth | and my boss leaves at 5 |
| 00:25.38 | kergoth | so i just read a book and listen to mp3s |
| 00:25.38 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:26.04 | ljp_ | hehehe fun |
| 00:26.19 | ljp_ | well.. post office run.. |
| 00:27.28 | kergoth | lets have a riot.. bring em to the crackhouse |
| 00:27.33 | kergoth | odd song |
| 00:29.41 | chouimat|food | kergoth: www.rathergood.com/moon_song |
| 00:30.22 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:30.30 | kergoth | I need a couple cheap boxes to use as servers |
| 00:30.35 | kergoth | probably 3 |
| 00:30.39 | kergoth | ideas? |
| 00:30.47 | kergoth | http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=IBM300GL-49B doesnt look like a bad deal, considering |
| 00:31.46 | kergoth | I need one for an OpenBSD ipless bridging firewall, and one for the linux router/NAT box, and another for a fileserver |
| 00:40.13 | chouimat|food | kergoth: not bad |
| 00:45.30 | ljp_ | hmm' |
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| 04:32.01 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 05:49.51 | armenb | hi |
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| 06:15.09 | LordVan | morning |
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| 07:16.22 | SoopaT | hello |
| 07:30.11 | SoopaT | are there any faq's/infos are compiling the OZ buildroot kit? |
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| 14:59.01 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:15.18 | victorvdl | Is their a way to automatically mirror one of the OZ feeds onto my comp? Short of downloading everything by hand, that is. |
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| 16:03.29 | hamsta | has anybody a clue about why wireless sniffing is not possible with rc2 ? |
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| 16:05.00 | sebd | hello |
| 16:05.09 | hamsta | hey sebd |
| 16:05.10 | carsten | hamsta: mickeyl does wellenreiter |
| 16:05.46 | hamsta | So kismet and wellenreiter are not working :-((( |
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| 16:05.59 | hamsta | rc1 was working flawless |
| 16:06.00 | sebd | I'm looking for a way to exclude all files in one directory from being listed in the "Document" tab. |
| 16:07.45 | sebd | mmm #openembedded |
| 16:07.51 | carsten | jupp, and r3 will include _far_ better translations! |
| 16:07.59 | carsten | we fixed quite some bugs and updated a lot |
| 16:08.37 | hamsta | carsten: So, it will be fixed in rc3? |
| 16:09.24 | hamsta | There is a bug entered at sourceforge, but it has not been assigned to any developer yet... |
| 16:09.24 | carsten | hamsta: wellenreiter? I guess it won't improve much (haven't seen a patch in a while). But better ask mickel |
| 16:09.37 | carsten | hamsta: wellenreiter is opie |
| 16:09.39 | hamsta | carsten: The problem is not wellenreiter |
| 16:10.04 | hamsta | the problem (seems to be/) is more generall: monitor mode with wifi cards in rc2 |
| 16:10.26 | hamsta | see: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=675362&group_id=43045&atid=434956 |
| 16:11.57 | hamsta | I have used kismet with RC1 but with RC2 everything stopped working... I tried with a fresh new flashed z... didn't get the card into monitor mode :-| |
| 16:12.21 | hamsta | sebd: without knowing... what about using .directories? |
| 16:13.21 | sebd | hamsta: I'll try that. I was expecting there was something like a .opie_ignore file to be placed inside the dir |
| 16:14.46 | hamsta | sebd: maybe there is... at least for SD/CF cards there is some file not to scan for new files... |
| 16:20.50 | hamsta | well, still hoping this bug will be fixed soon... cu later |
| 16:22.26 | kergoth | hardwire: monitor mode now requires v26 of wireless tools, which itself requires a newer wireless extentions |
| 16:22.29 | kergoth | er |
| 16:22.32 | kergoth | hamsta left |
| 16:22.34 | kergoth | ah well |
| 16:24.30 | hardwire | eh? |
| 16:24.42 | hardwire | You waka me uppy! |
| 16:24.44 | kergoth | hardwire: tab completion |
| 16:24.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:29.50 | chouimat | kergoth: take a coffee |
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| 17:36.21 | SoopaT | morning all |
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| 18:24.56 | frankps | hi |
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| 18:43.40 | victorvdl | Is there any way to access OZ feeds via ftp? |
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| 20:18.07 | FrenkYo | <FrenkYo> I've a problen |
| 20:18.07 | FrenkYo | <FrenkYo> at startup, opie goes to segmentation fault |
| 20:18.07 | FrenkYo | <FrenkYo> and I'cant use the keyboard for enter in the login |
| 20:18.15 | FrenkYo | the opie doesn't start :< |
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| 20:18.23 | FrenkYo | anyone can help me :? |
| 20:20.34 | FrenkYo | I can't use the Z, how can I reinstall another version of OZ :? |
| 20:30.51 | Bovine | re-flash? |
| 20:33.10 | LordVan | why can't i opie-login as root ? |
| 20:33.56 | LordVan | (after my upgrade yesterday) |
| 20:35.50 | LordVan | damn.. i can't login at all.. |
| 20:36.04 | kergoth | so shutdown opie-login and run opie manually |
| 20:36.06 | kergoth | see why its failing |
| 20:36.21 | LordVan | kergoth: yeah i will |
| 20:36.56 | LordVan | kergoth: how can i disable opie-login ? |
| 20:37.14 | kergoth | ipaq? Z? |
| 20:37.47 | LordVan | Z |
| 20:37.58 | kergoth | um, tap the menu button |
| 20:37.59 | kergoth | hit exit |
| 20:38.02 | kergoth | ~lart LordVan |
| 20:38.27 | LordVan | kergoth: i did .. |
| 20:38.35 | kergoth | and? |
| 20:38.36 | kergoth | start opie. |
| 20:38.37 | LordVan | kergoth: it freezes then.. |
| 20:38.38 | LordVan | kinda |
| 20:38.43 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:38.57 | LordVan | kergoth: ipress quit |
| 20:39.01 | LordVan | and nothing happens.. |
| 20:39.08 | kergoth | um |
| 20:39.11 | kergoth | then your Z is fucked. |
| 20:39.18 | LordVan | i'll reboot it ;) |
| 20:39.19 | kergoth | when you exit opie-login it should drop to a prompt.. |
| 20:39.22 | kergoth | yeah, worth a shot |
| 20:40.02 | LordVan | now i can see the console again.. |
| 20:41.36 | LordVan | kergoth: i forgot i couldn't even use my keyboard before ;) |
| 20:41.44 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:41.57 | LordVan | now the keyboard works with opie-login again |
| 20:42.02 | LordVan | but i still can't login.. |
| 20:42.12 | LordVan | segfault |
| 20:42.15 | LordVan | then the login prompt |
| 20:42.23 | kergoth | opie-login segfaults? |
| 20:42.25 | kergoth | shit |
| 20:42.29 | kergoth | segfault corrupts console |
| 20:42.34 | kergoth | leaves the keyboard in an unusable state |
| 20:43.17 | LordVan | yeah |
| 20:43.33 | LordVan | damn i can't even ssh now .. |
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| 20:49.48 | LordVan | kergoth: i can't do anything now .. |
| 20:49.58 | LordVan | kergoth: it won't start dhcp+ssh now and i can't login .. |
| 20:50.08 | LordVan | and if i try to quit opie-login it segfaults.. |
| 20:50.10 | kergoth | sounds like reflash time |
| 20:50.16 | kergoth | we need to et the boot menu in place |
| 20:50.22 | kergoth | its on the todo for the 3.1 final |
| 20:50.31 | LordVan | .. |
| 20:50.46 | LordVan | kergoth: whell will 3.1 be out then? |
| 20:50.51 | LordVan | approx. |
| 20:52.09 | LordVan | cuz if it won't be too long i'll just remove the battery ;) |
| 20:52.45 | kergoth | rc3 is due for release within 5-7 days |
| 20:52.54 | kergoth | final depends on the response to rc3 and outstanding bugs at that point |
| 20:53.10 | LordVan | so now is no good time to re-flash right? ;) |
| 20:53.21 | LordVan | at lest rc3 would be nice ;) |
| 20:53.27 | kergoth | doesnt matter much, you can always upgrade to rc3 |
| 20:53.28 | kergoth | up to you |
| 20:54.44 | LordVan | kergoth: well i'm thinking of download time.. (i got isdn only ;) |
| 20:58.40 | LordVan | isn't there some way i can get a console w/o ssh and w/o pressing quit ? |
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| 21:02.21 | kergoth | LordVan: no, that'll happen when we get the boot menu |
| 21:03.37 | LordVan | kergoth: ok so for now i only can remove the battery and loose all my installed programs right? ;) |
| 21:03.44 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:03.48 | LordVan | kergoth: can't we do kinda bood-CF ? |
| 21:03.48 | nasa | Hey guys, Thought I would try the new beta... I was wondering what libopielobex was? When I try to upgrade opie-base it says I don't have it... |
| 21:03.48 | kergoth | removing the battery doesnt do anything. |
| 21:03.56 | LordVan | kergoth: well and pressing reset i mean |
| 21:03.59 | kergoth | no |
| 21:04.03 | kergoth | full reset doesnt do a damn thing. |
| 21:04.08 | kergoth | this is OZ, not sharp |
| 21:04.12 | LordVan | kergoth: it did before .. |
| 21:04.15 | kergoth | you'll wipe your ramdisk. flash stays as is. |
| 21:04.17 | kergoth | no, it didnt. |
| 21:04.21 | kergoth | You're mistaken. |
| 21:04.25 | LordVan | damn.. |
| 21:04.26 | LordVan | right.. |
| 21:04.31 | LordVan | i read that some time ago.. |
| 21:04.32 | kergoth | if its something you installed to RAM causing the problem, then yes |
| 21:04.42 | kergoth | flash stays as is. |
| 21:04.42 | LordVan | i don't know where opie-login is installed .. |
| 21:04.44 | kergoth | flash is persistant. |
| 21:04.49 | kergoth | arent you listening? |
| 21:04.53 | kergoth | its not opie-login |
| 21:04.54 | LordVan | i am |
| 21:05.01 | kergoth | if you cant spawn opie, something is badly borked |
| 21:05.07 | kergoth | i highly, highly doubt opie-login is the problem. |
| 21:05.12 | LordVan | ok |
| 21:05.15 | kergoth | so even if it goes away, you probably still wont get into opie. |
| 21:05.21 | kergoth | i told you already. |
| 21:05.27 | kergoth | flashing _is_ your only option |
| 21:06.48 | LordVan | damn.. |
| 21:06.57 | LordVan | then i'll download new image in the night.. |
| 21:11.02 | LordVan | which is the best kernel if i install lots of stuff? (i got a 128MB SD card too) |
| 21:11.31 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:11.33 | kergoth | there is no 'best' |
| 21:11.45 | LordVan | i know that |
| 21:11.56 | LordVan | but what would you recommend ? |
| 21:11.57 | kergoth | 'install lots of stuff' is meaningless. |
| 21:12.04 | kergoth | it depends on your needs |
| 21:12.08 | LordVan | meaning i need much ram |
| 21:12.14 | LordVan | for e.g. dictionaries |
| 21:12.17 | kergoth | are you on crack? |
| 21:12.33 | kergoth | installing apps doesnt take ram, it takes storage space, which is cf, sd, ramdisk, what have you |
| 21:12.33 | noda | Hehehe. Dictionaries take little memory. |
| 21:12.42 | LordVan | when running i mean .. |
| 21:12.45 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:12.45 | LordVan | and applets ;) |
| 21:12.51 | kergoth | you run a shitload at a time? |
| 21:12.57 | kergoth | you only have 320x240 to work with you know. |
| 21:12.59 | LordVan | well i got to disable some applets then ;) |
| 21:13.03 | noda | LordVan: Start up aspell and start up a game on your computer - you'll see which takes more RAM :P |
| 21:13.04 | kergoth | huh? |
| 21:13.04 | LordVan | i know .. |
| 21:13.12 | kergoth | my Z has nearly every opie applet installed |
| 21:13.15 | LordVan | noda: ;) |
| 21:13.16 | kergoth | i'm on a stock 32-32 image right now |
| 21:13.24 | kergoth | your ram isnt going to make af ucking difference for applet use |
| 21:13.28 | LordVan | kergoth: i got some 'not enough memory' messages already .. |
| 21:13.32 | kergoth | doing what? |
| 21:13.35 | noda | LordVan: In OZ? |
| 21:13.36 | kergoth | i havent see any. |
| 21:13.38 | LordVan | noda: yes |
| 21:13.51 | noda | What app? |
| 21:14.05 | LordVan | kergoth: but maybe that was that annoying image viewer which generated previews for all images on my SD+CF too .. |
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| 21:14.15 | kergoth | yes, that would be it |
| 21:14.18 | noda | Yep, that's it. Use mooview, that one's REALLY badly written :P |
| 21:14.30 | noda | "that one" meaning opie-imgview or whatever it is |
| 21:14.35 | JasonNJ | sup |
| 21:14.37 | kergoth | I use 64-0 atm, because i install all the apps to sd and never use the ramdisk |
| 21:14.44 | kergoth | not because i need 64. i only really need 42-48 |
| 21:14.47 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 21:15.18 | noda | JasonNJ: Moo |
| 21:15.24 | nasa | also, what package contains libopiell? |
| 21:15.28 | kergoth | none. |
| 21:15.30 | kergoth | thats a fucking typo |
| 21:15.32 | kergoth | -force-depends |
| 21:15.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:15.48 | LordVan | i guess i'll use the 40-24 again .. or 48-16 .. |
| 21:15.53 | noda | nasa: libopie1 |
| 21:15.57 | noda | ? |
| 21:16.06 | kergoth | no package provides libopie11, it was a _typo_ in the control file |
| 21:16.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:16.10 | nasa | Thanks kergoth :] |
| 21:16.10 | noda | LordVan: Just don't use that stupid imageviewer program. |
| 21:16.14 | noda | Ah :P |
| 21:16.17 | JasonNJ | kergoth: how goes the kernie |
| 21:16.28 | LordVan | noda: i won't :) |
| 21:16.32 | kergoth | JasonNJ: on hold pending the OZ 3.1 final release |
| 21:16.45 | kergoth | JasonNJ: 3.1rc3 will be out in 5-7 days, possibly sooner. final shortly after |
| 21:17.00 | noda | LordVan: Without the image viewing program you'll be fine. Use mooview instead, or turn off the preview feature on that one. |
| 21:17.12 | noda | LordVan: Well 64MB won't be enough to help you then. |
| 21:17.29 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:17.37 | LordVan | noda: turning off wouldn't disable preview creation (at least some time ago ;) |
| 21:17.51 | noda | LordVan: It should. And you can USE MOOVIEW... |
| 21:17.56 | LordVan | noda: that's why i won't use opie-imgview |
| 21:18.07 | noda | Oh, I thought you were saying you wouldn't do what I said :P |
| 21:18.08 | noda | lol |
| 21:18.09 | LordVan | noda: besides that theres another nice image viewer too.. |
| 21:18.12 | LordVan | noda: ;) |
| 21:18.22 | LordVan | noda: i hadn't even installed it now ;) |
| 21:18.27 | noda | :) |
| 21:19.41 | LordVan | weird .. i can't mount my CF.. |
| 21:19.57 | JasonNJ | kergoth: RC3 has the 2.4.19 kernel? |
| 21:20.19 | LordVan | JasonNJ: nope (read the news ;) |
| 21:20.55 | nasa | hmm... Strange 'ipkg upgrade -force-depends opie-base' results in installing opie-common, which complains (and evenutally fails) about files that are installed by opie-base |
| 21:21.48 | LordVan | anyone compared speed of installing programs to SD and to ram ? |
| 21:21.56 | nasa | maybe a '-force-reinstall' is necessary? |
| 21:23.24 | gaurdian_ | is there any to make the Z "auto-sync" every X miniutes when in the docking station ? |
| 21:23.56 | LordVan | gaurdian_: at ? |
| 21:24.20 | kergoth | nasa: feed needs updating.. that depends path bug was fixed |
| 21:24.47 | gaurdian_ | like every 10 mins...something like that |
| 21:24.48 | kergoth | nasa: for now remove opie-base, then continue |
| 21:25.27 | gaurdian_ | damm ok |
| 21:25.59 | kergoth | gaurdian: mixed up your channels again :) |
| 21:26.04 | gaurdian | well, I am useing Intellisync..... |
| 21:26.33 | gaurdian | :) ug....thanks |
| 21:28.31 | nasa | kergoth: with opie-base gone, do I need to install something else in it's place? |
| 21:28.57 | kergoth | nasa: yes, you can install opie-base |
| 21:29.35 | nasa | lol |
| 21:29.37 | kergoth | its only the upgrade path thats broken |
| 21:33.41 | nasa | Thanks kergoth: be back after I test it for a while |
| 21:36.12 | LordVan | shall i use debug kernel ? |
| 21:36.49 | noda | Whee! This "FAQ Filtering" thing is working out pretty well :) |
| 21:39.31 | noda | http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/oz/faq/browse.php |
| 21:41.40 | kergoth | LordVan: only if you want to see kernel messages all over opie as things happen. |
| 21:41.55 | kergoth | LordVan: as it says in the faq, debug kernel only shows the kernel messages to console |
| 21:42.10 | noda | kergoth: What other options can you think of to filter FAQ's? (please check the url I just mentioned) |
| 21:43.22 | kergoth | noda: connection refused. |
| 21:43.32 | noda | kergoth: Urg... um... |
| 21:44.05 | LordVan | kergoth: ok i don't want ;) |
| 21:44.08 | noda | Whoops :P |
| 21:44.22 | noda | kergoth: Try now |
| 21:46.59 | noda | I *could* do "by date modified" but I think that'd be more confusion for no reason... |
| 21:47.14 | kergoth | agreed |
| 21:47.15 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:47.30 | kergoth | I think this is sufficient |
| 21:47.42 | noda | All right. Naturally, I'll make it look nicer :) |
| 21:48.21 | noda | The "filters" is going to show up after the person does his search, too -- should it show above or below the search results? |
| 21:48.27 | noda | Or should that be an option? |
| 21:52.55 | kergoth | congrats |
| 21:52.57 | kergoth | ;) |
| 22:02.46 | SoopaT | time to reboot to nix |
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| 23:13.38 | LordVan | nite |
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