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| 05:33.01 | kergoth | effy-kun: got my email? |
| 05:33.05 | kergoth | er no you didnt |
| 05:33.07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:33.10 | kergoth | effy-kun: they bounced. |
| 05:33.16 | kergoth | effy-kun: both addresses. spencer emailed me |
| 05:33.19 | effy-kun | they did? |
| 05:33.24 | kergoth | effy-kun: i bzipped the pdf, and it still bounced |
| 05:33.26 | effy-kun | how so? how big is the email?? |
| 05:33.33 | kergoth | let me check, fair bit smaller bzipped |
| 05:33.49 | effy-kun | weird |
| 05:33.51 | kergoth | yeah, even bzipped its 1920046 |
| 05:33.53 | effy-kun | hmmmmm |
| 05:33.54 | kergoth | bytes rather |
| 05:34.25 | effy-kun | damn, nearly 2MB |
| 05:34.27 | effy-kun | hmmmmm |
| 05:34.34 | effy-kun | you have it with you now? |
| 05:35.01 | effy-kun | would be cool if you could put it on a webserver and I could snag it from a URL |
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| 05:35.53 | effy-kun | sup, chouimat |
| 05:36.22 | effy-kun | doh |
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| 05:36.53 | kergoth | mchouinar: probs? |
| 05:37.19 | chouimat | kergoth: trying something on the framebuffer of my main box |
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| 05:37.28 | kergoth | chouimat: ah |
| 05:37.33 | kergoth | chouimat: 'screen' is your friend. :P |
| 05:37.55 | effy-kun | hehe |
| 05:38.55 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm working on another box |
| 05:40.46 | effy-kun | kergoth: is it possible for me to get it from other than email? |
| 05:44.25 | chouimat | ulyx fortune |
| 05:44.27 | ulyx | NEW ADDITION TO THE LIBRARY: "Sally", the department's new inflatable doll, is available on a short-term removal basis only -- please sign her out and return her promptly to avoid extended waits. (We are still awaiting shipment of our "Big John" doll.) |
| 05:44.56 | kergoth | lol |
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| 05:45.10 | chouimat | ulyx fortune |
| 05:45.11 | ulyx | Jesus died for your sins. Make it worth his time. |
| 05:45.17 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:45.29 | chouimat | ulyx fortune |
| 05:45.30 | ulyx | The real problem with fucking a sheep is that you have to walk around in front every time you want to kiss her. |
| 05:47.26 | chouimat | ulyx fortune |
| 05:47.26 | ulyx | The big problem with pornography is defining it. You can't just say it's pictures of people naked. For example, you have these primitive African tribes that exist by chasing the wildebeest on foot, and they have to go around largely naked, because, as the old tribal saying goes: "N'wam k'honi soit qui mali," which means, "If you think you can catch a wildebeest in this climate and wear clothes at the same |
| 05:47.26 | ulyx | time, then I have some beach front property in the desert region of Northern Mali that you may be interested in." So it's not considered pornographic when National Geographic publishes color photographs of these people hunting the wildebeest naked, or pounding one rock onto another rock for some primitive reason naked, or whatever. But if National Geographic were to publish an article entitled "The Girls of |
| 05:47.27 | ulyx | the California Junior College System Hunt the Wildebeest Naked," some people would call it pornography. But others would not. And still others, such as the Spectacularly Rev. Jerry Falwell, would get upset about seeing the wildebeest naked. -- Dave Barry, "Pornography" |
| 05:47.47 | kergoth | lol |
| 05:48.29 | effy-kun | haha |
| 05:48.55 | kergoth | as the old tribal saying goes: "N'wam k'honi soit qui mali," which means, "If you think you can catch a wildebeest in this climate and wear clothes at the same time, then I have some beach front property in the desert region of Northern Mali that you may be interested in." |
| 05:48.58 | Rious | has anyone else had this problem - we can ir beam stuff to/from palmpilots but cannot beam between 2 zaurus |
| 05:48.59 | kergoth | thats funny as hell |
| 05:49.00 | effy-kun | ok, I'm officially bored at work ;) |
| 05:49.08 | effy-kun | haha yeah |
| 05:50.12 | kergoth | i'm officially bored at home |
| 05:50.14 | kergoth | i should sleep soon |
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| 05:55.13 | kergoth | effy-kun: sent. |
| 05:55.29 | effy-kun | cross your fingers ;) |
| 05:56.11 | effy-kun | time for another nail in the coffin |
| 05:58.09 | chouimat | huh? |
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| 06:03.08 | kergoth | effy-kun: no luck |
| 06:04.04 | effy-kun | damn |
| 06:04.04 | effy-kun | heh |
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| 06:24.16 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 06:24.25 | kergoth | night chouimat|Zzzz |
| 06:24.58 | effy-kun | night choui |
| 06:25.19 | chouimat|Zzzz | ulyx fortune |
| 06:25.20 | ulyx | Floppy now, hard later. |
| 06:25.34 | chouimat|Zzzz | ok |
| 06:25.51 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: any news about the docs? |
| 06:26.18 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: effy and I have them, so should have SPI info for the MMC port soon |
| 06:26.29 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: forgot to ask spencer about the netbsd port, I'll pester him tomorrow at work |
| 06:27.31 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: do it cause i will ask ibot to pester you |
| 06:27.38 | chouimat|Zzzz | ulyx fortune |
| 06:27.38 | ulyx | "God built a compelling sex drive into every creature, no matter what style of fucking it practiced. He made sex irresistibly pleasurable, wildly joyous, free from fears. He made it innocent merriment. "Needless to say, fucking was an immediate smash hit. Everyone agreed, from aardvarks to zebras. All the jolly animals -- lions and lambs, rhinoceroses and gazelles, skylarks and lobsters, even insects, |
| 06:27.38 | ulyx | though most of them fuck only once in a lifetime -- fucked along innocently and merrily for hundreds of millions of years. Maybe they were dumb animals, but they knew a good thing when they had one." -- Alan Sherman, "The Rape of the A*P*E*" |
| 06:27.53 | kergoth | ibot: pester kergoth |
| 06:27.54 | | kergoth: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 06:28.27 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: I like that fortune :) |
| 06:28.36 | chouimat|Zzzz | ulyx fortune |
| 06:28.36 | ulyx | Jesus was killed by a Moral Majority. |
| 06:28.46 | kergoth | ulyx: fortune |
| 06:28.46 | ulyx | A bureaucracy is like a septic tank -- all the really big shits float to the top. |
| 06:28.51 | kergoth | lol |
| 06:28.58 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: true |
| 06:29.01 | kergoth | yup |
| 06:29.01 | chouimat|Zzzz | ulyx fortune |
| 06:29.02 | ulyx | Her kisses left something to be desired -- the rest of her. |
| 06:29.09 | chouimat|Zzzz | ulyx fortune |
| 06:29.10 | ulyx | Howard Cosell's biggest protrusion is his asshole. -- John Valby |
| 06:29.16 | chouimat|Zzzz | ulyx fortune SP |
| 06:29.17 | ulyx | Chef, how do you make a woman like you more than any other guy? Oh, that's easy. You've just gotta find the clitoris. Huh? Ooops. |
| 06:29.32 | chouimat|Zzzz | ulyx fortune homer |
| 06:29.32 | ulyx | Hey! Let's do that 2,000-pound man thing. I'll be that Carl Reiner guy, and you be what's-his-face. -- Homer Simpson Homer vs. Patty and Selma |
| 06:29.43 | chouimat|Zzzz | ulyx fortune homer |
| 06:29.44 | ulyx | Hee, hee! I can be a jerk and no one can stop me! -- Homer Simpson Itchy & Scratchy Land |
| 06:29.48 | chouimat|Zzzz | ulyx fortune homer |
| 06:29.49 | ulyx | Oh, I always wanted to be a teamster. So lazy and surly. -- Homer Simpson Radioactive Man |
| 06:30.02 | chouimat|Zzzz | later |
| 06:30.21 | kergoth | ulyx: fortune SP |
| 06:30.22 | ulyx | Allright, this is for the silver medal. Spell "forensics". Oh, fuck that, why the fuck should I have to spell forensics. Here you go. S-U-C-K M-Y A-S-S, forensics. |
| 06:30.31 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 06:52.13 | kergoth | ulyx: fortune men-women |
| 06:52.13 | ulyx | There's nothing like a girl with a plunging neckline to keep a man on his toes. |
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| 07:26.02 | Horwitz | morgen |
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| 13:06.32 | Laze | ulyx: help |
| 13:06.33 | ulyx | help topics: core, auth, keywords [26 plugins: autorejoin, cal, dice, excuse, fortune, freshmeat, host, insult|msginsult, karma, lart|praise|addlart|addpraise|rmlart|rmpraise, math, nickserv, nslookup|dns, quotes, remind|remind+, rot13, roulette, search, seen, slap, slashdot, spell, translate, urls, weather, wserver] (help <topic> for more info) |
| 13:06.49 | Laze | ulyx: insult xmms |
| 13:06.50 | ulyx | xmms is nothing but a warped tongueful of evil guano. |
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| 16:23.03 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:23.18 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
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| 17:22.46 | hunger | HI there. |
| 17:23.03 | hunger | Does OZ3.1rc2 work with non-root users allready? |
| 17:23.36 | james_lan | not on mine, (well yes and no) but I have an upgrade from rc1, and many tweaks. |
| 17:23.46 | james_lan | unstable feed might work right. |
| 17:23.53 | hunger | james_lan: I tried to upgrade and bricked my Z:-( |
| 17:23.58 | james_lan | rc2 by default doesn't |
| 17:24.02 | james_lan | ah fun |
| 17:24.12 | hunger | james_lan: Unstable might do it? |
| 17:24.15 | james_lan | libopie1 was probably the cause of the problems. |
| 17:24.17 | james_lan | MIGHT |
| 17:24.23 | james_lan | I don't know |
| 17:24.29 | hunger | james_lan: It was missing libopie11... |
| 17:25.00 | james_lan | shouldn't have been libopie1 but a script got foobared (should have been libopie) |
| 17:25.31 | hunger | james_lan: Is there an initrd for unstable? |
| 17:25.56 | james_lan | It is just new package builds from work being done |
| 17:26.28 | james_lan | there is no 'unstable' release (rom image, etc) like with testing (aka rc1, rc2, etc) |
| 17:27.08 | hunger | Yeah, thought so... |
| 17:27.23 | hunger | Too bad it bricked on me... I had non-root for a while:-( |
| 17:27.36 | hunger | Has been ages back... |
| 17:27.40 | james_lan | on mine I found that I could get it to work. |
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| 17:27.55 | james_lan | BUT if I changed appearance settings it messed up. |
| 17:31.13 | hunger | Wow, what am I happy that my homedir is on a SD card:-) |
| 17:31.28 | james_lan | :) |
| 17:31.38 | james_lan | 64-0? |
| 17:32.00 | hunger | james_lan: No. 40/24 |
| 17:32.22 | hunger | james_lan: I need the space for apps:-) |
| 17:33.46 | james_lan | ah |
| 17:34.38 | james_lan | I just like the ability to turn it all the way off and not worry about it just working off the backup battery. (afaik when that switch is in remove battery, there is no current coming off the main battery) |
| 17:56.18 | hunger | Great. |
| 17:56.18 | hunger | Bricked my Z again upgrading to OZ-unstable. |
| 17:56.18 | kergoth | let me guess |
| 17:56.18 | kergoth | opie segfaults, thereby leaving the console's keyboard input in raw mode, so you cant use the keyboard? |
| 17:56.23 | hunger | kergoth: Hi! |
| 17:56.25 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:56.28 | kergoth | hey |
| 17:56.29 | hunger | kergoth: Nope. |
| 17:56.41 | kergoth | damn. hehe. |
| 17:56.44 | kergoth | what hapened? |
| 17:56.48 | hunger | kergoth: I did shut down OPIE before upgrading. |
| 17:56.48 | kergoth | happened rather |
| 17:57.02 | hunger | kergoth: And I'm logged in via ssh too:-) |
| 17:57.11 | kergoth | so whats the problem? |
| 17:57.22 | kergoth | Memory Read 55552b22 Error : Target Bus Error |
| 17:57.23 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:57.31 | hunger | kergoth: Upgrade went smooth (except for opie-liquid which I just deleted afterwards). |
| 17:57.45 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 17:58.04 | hunger | kergoth: /etc/init.d/opie fails because of bad file descriptors- |
| 17:58.38 | hunger | kergoth: And installing bash does just block when extracting files to / too:-( |
| 17:59.01 | james_lan | kergoth or anyone: opie in unstable working as non-root (blurb on OZ.org doesn't make it clear) |
| 17:59.30 | kergoth | hunger: eek |
| 17:59.33 | kergoth | hunger: jffs2 badness perhaps? |
| 17:59.37 | kergoth | james_lan: no. |
| 17:59.43 | hunger | kergoth: Guess so. |
| 17:59.45 | kergoth | james_lan: it will work in rc3. until then, you can wait. |
| 18:00.00 | hunger | kergoth: What can be done against that? reflash? |
| 18:00.02 | james_lan | not a problem, someone was asking, above |
| 18:00.18 | hunger | kergoth: I was asking... |
| 18:00.23 | kergoth | hunger: most likely. I dont know of any other way. One of hte many problems that'll go away in the switch to 2.4.19 |
| 18:00.27 | kergoth | opie as nonroot works on ipaq |
| 18:00.37 | kergoth | just a few device perm bits in the opie-login pre-session script need adjusting |
| 18:00.53 | kergoth | and you cant also run apps via sudo/su, as it fails accessing qt/e specific bits in /tmp |
| 18:00.57 | kergoth | per treke's reports |
| 18:01.40 | hunger | kergoth: Yes, that /tmp issue is annoying. |
| 18:02.12 | kergoth | indeed, we need to fix it. |
| 18:02.22 | kergoth | qtopia on the c700 has the ability to run its apps as root |
| 18:02.33 | kergoth | I havent investigated it much |
| 18:02.57 | hunger | kergoth: What is the status of the kernel upgrade? SD-dirver is the problem I guess? |
| 18:03.08 | james_lan | hmm, might have to see about that (the tmp stuff) (it works if all the /dev/sharp* and some others are rw to the user, but if you change any settings as of now it won't let you log back in) |
| 18:03.19 | kergoth | hunger: read the news page. |
| 18:03.27 | james_lan | hunger: don't ask (see openzaurus.org) |
| 18:03.39 | hunger | kergoth: Why do you keep sending me there? ;-) |
| 18:03.54 | james_lan | more polite than RTFM? |
| 18:04.03 | james_lan | or RTFWP :) |
| 18:04.10 | kergoth | james_lan: exactly |
| 18:04.44 | hunger | kergoth: So what is the status of the new kernel? |
| 18:04.53 | hunger | kergoth: No SD at all? |
| 18:05.07 | kergoth | read it again. |
| 18:05.17 | kergoth | the existing sd module does not work due to idiocy. |
| 18:05.22 | kergoth | and cannot be fixed without driver disassembly. |
| 18:05.33 | kergoth | if i could legaly disassemble it, i coudl fix it in about 2 hours flat. |
| 18:05.46 | james_lan | or a little help from sharp, which they aren't providing. |
| 18:06.02 | kergoth | right |
| 18:06.09 | kergoth | not that i'm surprised. |
| 18:07.28 | james_lan | my complaint about sharp is that they seem to have expected the community to pick up ALL support, and then they haven't rolled it back in to their roms. (or released a new one since when, November?) |
| 18:07.55 | kergoth | Sharp simply doesnt know how to work with the community |
| 18:08.01 | kergoth | they hire jason and ben to do so, then dont back them |
| 18:08.14 | kergoth | its yet another company seeing open soruce, saying hey thats a good idea, but not having any idea of what it is they're getting into. |
| 18:08.20 | kergoth | Its common, and sad. |
| 18:08.34 | hunger | kergoth: You see that often... |
| 18:08.47 | james_lan | yep :( |
| 18:08.49 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:08.52 | hunger | kergoth: I went to the Sharp booth at the LinuxTag in Karlsruhe last year. |
| 18:08.57 | ljp_work | they need to hire me as Open Source Consultant! |
| 18:09.10 | hunger | kergoth: I showed of my Z with OZ... and they were flat out surprised that OPIE existed! |
| 18:09.13 | kergoth | Companies need to hire a Linux analyst to advise them on the community, like what they did with jason |
| 18:09.13 | ljp_work | and actually LISTEN |
| 18:09.21 | kergoth | but they need to _support_ them |
| 18:09.33 | ljp_work | ya |
| 18:09.38 | james_lan | that would be nice. |
| 18:10.04 | kergoth | hunger: ugh |
| 18:10.30 | gaurdian_ | kergoth , just a thought.....not saying anyone in particular, but considering some of the more vocal proponents of open source, wouldent it be fair to assume that a lot of companies see the Open Source community as preople who "want it my way or no way" ? |
| 18:10.40 | hunger | kergoth: It ended with me explaining them what the HW they wanted to sell can be used for:-) |
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| 18:10.55 | kergoth | hunger: haha, thats so fucking pathetic right there |
| 18:11.22 | james_lan | could be. esp people like RMS helping the image (I like his ideas, but he comes off sounding like a nut |
| 18:12.11 | gaurdian_ | I would think that there would need to be give on BOTH sides... |
| 18:12.11 | kergoth | open source evangalism does hinder the image, no argument there. |
| 18:12.19 | hunger | james_lan: No. He is a very good speaker. He does not sound like a nutcase in person. |
| 18:12.38 | kergoth | Again, the problem here is that companies are getting into open source without knowing what it is they're getting into |
| 18:12.43 | gaurdian_ | hunger , yes he does...I have met him and listened to him |
| 18:12.45 | kergoth | the image problems would affect companies getting into it in the beginning |
| 18:12.48 | hunger | james_lan: It's the need to shorten when reporting about him that causes that impression:-( |
| 18:12.49 | james_lan | ok, In person, but how many people have gotten the chance to listen to him in person. |
| 18:12.49 | kergoth | which is a whole different argument. |
| 18:12.54 | kergoth | completely different discussion. |
| 18:13.11 | gaurdian_ | kergoth , but I think the reason for that is the "open source community" has MANY definitation of what it is |
| 18:13.15 | hunger | gaurdian_: Well, looks like we are disagreeing here. |
| 18:14.57 | kergoth | I disagree. |
| 18:15.41 | gaurdian_ | ok |
| 18:16.08 | hunger | gaurdian_: There are only two definitions I'm aware of: One is open source, the other free software. And they are not too far appart just looking on the facts. They do have philosophical differences. |
| 18:16.54 | gaurdian_ | look at the myrid of "open source" lisences....tell me theres not a bit of confusion there |
| 18:17.20 | treke | how is multiple licenses confusion? |
| 18:17.20 | hunger | gaurdian_: So what. It's the same as with commercial licenses. There are even more of those! |
| 18:17.25 | gaurdian_ | and those 2 can be VERY far apart, define "free" |
| 18:17.29 | treke | Every commercial product has its own licenses |
| 18:18.00 | kergoth | what does the number of licenses have to do with the definition of hte community? |
| 18:18.07 | hunger | gaurdian_: Sure. But only philosophically;-) The actual facts as laied out in the license usually are close together. |
| 18:18.07 | kergoth | they're quite independent issues |
| 18:19.14 | gaurdian_ | treke, but not everyone does....does that mean their definiation is wrong ? |
| 18:19.43 | treke | gaurdian_: In this case, I think so |
| 18:19.45 | gaurdian_ | If I give you a binary, but not the source, the program is free, is it not ? |
| 18:19.58 | kergoth | gaurdian_: again, what does this have to do with company relations with the community? |
| 18:19.59 | treke | gaurdian_: No |
| 18:20.01 | hunger | gaurdian_: No, it is not. |
| 18:20.03 | kergoth | gaurdian_: you've brought us far afield. |
| 18:20.15 | gaurdian_ | hunger , but, who said GNU is the ONLY valid definitation ? |
| 18:20.30 | treke | gaurdian_: if you are speaking of not having a cost attatched to it, then yes it is free in that sense. |
| 18:20.33 | kergoth | again, its a philosophical viewpoint. if you dont agree, so be it. |
| 18:20.34 | hunger | gaurdian_: Nobody said so. But it is the definition I stick to. |
| 18:20.40 | kergoth | exactly, its a personal decision |
| 18:20.51 | kergoth | frankly i dont give a shit what gaurdian_'s personal viewpoints on what free is are |
| 18:20.56 | kergoth | I know waht I believe |
| 18:20.58 | hunger | gaurdian_: And as long as those rights lined out there are granted, I don't care how you call it. |
| 18:21.03 | gaurdian_ | kergoth , thats my point. A lot of companies define free a lot different than the OS community |
| 18:21.09 | kergoth | gaurdian_: irrelevent. |
| 18:21.18 | gaurdian_ | its not irrelevant |
| 18:21.20 | hunger | gaurdian_: So what? |
| 18:21.21 | kergoth | gaurdian_: you just stated you felt the community was too fractured with all its licenses |
| 18:21.21 | treke | gaurdian_: The dont, they discuss too different concepts which map to the same word in english |
| 18:21.27 | kergoth | gaurdian_: what the fuck does that have to do with this? |
| 18:21.45 | kergoth | gaurdian_: now you state the problem is what the company believes vs the community as a whole |
| 18:21.49 | kergoth | gaurdian_: which is the first thing i said. |
| 18:21.54 | kergoth | gaurdian_: so now you agree, but before you didnt? |
| 18:21.57 | kergoth | come on, at least be consistent. |
| 18:22.24 | gaurdian_ | what is has to do with it is this....if 2 parties cant come to agreement on the difinitation of something, it makes it REAL difficult to work on that thing, in this case free software |
| 18:22.29 | hunger | gaurdian_: If a company wants to play with the community, then it will have to adjust it's license till it fits in. That's the comanies problem, not the comunities. |
| 18:22.31 | kergoth | obviously. |
| 18:22.39 | kergoth | and that has nothing to do with the fact that numerous open source licenses exist |
| 18:22.46 | kergoth | you're now reinforcing my point. thanks, i appreciate it. |
| 18:23.09 | gaurdian_ | hunger, and thats the attitude that makes companies NOT want to work with the community, people expect them to give but arent willing to give back |
| 18:23.15 | kergoth | If you're going to come into a discussion, at least stick to your viewpoints. |
| 18:23.23 | treke | gaurdian_: The community is giving back |
| 18:23.30 | kergoth | gaurdian_: the community gives back every day. |
| 18:23.30 | hunger | gaurdian_: They are free to NOT work with the community. |
| 18:23.31 | treke | gaurdian_: They are giving access to their code |
| 18:23.31 | chouimat | subject? |
| 18:23.35 | kergoth | gaurdian_: thats what releasing source _is_. |
| 18:23.51 | kergoth | gaurdian_: when was the last time you saw sharp release qt/e or qtopia app and lib alterations? |
| 18:24.00 | hunger | gaurdian_: If they want the benefits of free contributions from the community, then they have to play by their rules. |
| 18:24.01 | treke | It tends to be companies that dont want to give back |
| 18:24.02 | kergoth | gaurdian_: then there's opie, which is completely open, you see eveyrthing. |
| 18:24.17 | kergoth | gaurdian_: Your arguments are baseless. |
| 18:24.40 | gaurdian_ | no they are not baseless, they are just not from the OS point of view |
| 18:24.46 | kergoth | OS? |
| 18:24.55 | gaurdian_ | Open Source |
| 18:24.57 | kergoth | you say the community doesnt give back? |
| 18:25.04 | kergoth | then you're either a fool, or blind, or both. |
| 18:25.06 | numatrix | kergoth: Yeah, I'm a litle confused by that part too. |
| 18:25.17 | kergoth | I'm leaning towards both, myself. |
| 18:25.20 | numatrix | gaurdian_: The whole defining characteristic of OS is giving back. |
| 18:25.34 | chouimat | huh?? |
| 18:25.55 | kergoth | chouimat: conversion is essentially why companies fail to properly relate to the open source community. |
| 18:25.55 | gaurdian_ | no, I am saying in the opinion of the compainies, the Open Source community doesnt give back enough to make the companies working with them worth while |
| 18:26.08 | kergoth | gaurdian_: then _they're_ fools, or blind, or both. |
| 18:26.13 | kergoth | gaurdian_: not unlike yourself. |
| 18:26.30 | numatrix | gaurdian_: I'm coming into this late so maybe I'm missing it, but what do you think the companies would like to see back? They're already getting a heck of a lot of labor for free; it's hard to be picky. |
| 18:26.34 | kergoth | chouimat: for example, why Sharp has failed miserably. |
| 18:26.39 | chouimat | kergoth: ok. |
| 18:26.44 | treke | gaurdian_: then they can not deal witht he community. They've already given back all that they can |
| 18:27.16 | gaurdian_ | well if I am a fool, I assume then you dont want a fools help financially like I offered on the SD lisence ? |
| 18:27.17 | chouimat | companies see Opensource as a way of getting cheap labors |
| 18:27.18 | kergoth | yep, if the company isnt willing to give, regardless of their expectations fromt eh community, thats a problem with their expectations. they shouldnt have gotten involved with it at all. |
| 18:27.37 | kergoth | gaurdian_: So now you resort to threats? come now, are we 5 years old now? |
| 18:27.48 | kergoth | gaurdian_: when logic fails, lets resort to financial manipulation? |
| 18:27.56 | gaurdian_ | no thats not a threat.....you want to insult me, fine..... |
| 18:27.58 | kergoth | fun stuff. |
| 18:27.59 | numatrix | gaurdian_: I believe a common saying about a fool and his money would cover that situation, assuming that were true. :-) |
| 18:28.22 | gaurdian_ | you resort to common insults ? |
| 18:28.31 | chouimat | ulyx fortune |
| 18:28.31 | ulyx | One day President Reagan, Chairman Andropov, the Pope, and a boy scout were flying together in an airplane. Right out in the middle of nowhere the plane developed engine trouble and started to go down. Unfortunately, only three parachutes could be found for the four passengers! Andropov grabbed one of the parachutes and declared "Comrades, as leader of the socialist workers revolution, my life must be |
| 18:28.31 | ulyx | spared," and he jumped out of the plane. Then Reagan exclaimed "As leader of the greatest nation on earth, I must keep the world safe for democracy," and with that he too jumped to safety. Now if you are following all this (or counting on your fingers) you must see that there is only one parachute left for the two remaining passengers. The Pope looked kindly upon the boy scout and said "I have had a long |
| 18:28.32 | ulyx | and productive life, my son. You take the parachute and leave me in God's hands." "That's very kind of you," the observant scout replied, "but there is no need. Reagan just jumped out with my knapsack." |
| 18:28.34 | numatrix | gaurdian_: Are you referring to me or kergoth at this poitn? |
| 18:28.37 | gaurdian_ | just because I have a different opinion |
| 18:28.40 | kergoth | gaurdian_: it was a statement of fact. You are either failing to see the reality of things, or lack the intelligence to understand it. |
| 18:28.48 | kergoth | in my opinion |
| 18:29.20 | gaurdian_ | and you are entiteled to your opinion, as am I |
| 18:29.33 | kergoth | Indeed. |
| 18:29.42 | kergoth | Never claimed otherwise. |
| 18:29.48 | hunger | gaurdian_: Why would a company want to get involved with the community? Because it wants the communities contribution. |
| 18:29.54 | numatrix | gaurdian_: I'm still missing what you think companies are expecting beyond what they are getting? |
| 18:29.57 | hunger | gaurdian_: What other reason is there? |
| 18:30.04 | chouimat | kergoth: I use exclusively free software for my contracts works and customers tell me why I sell them free softwares and I reply them I don't sell yiou the software I'm selling you my expertise |
| 18:30.05 | kergoth | exactly hunger. there is no other reason |
| 18:30.11 | kergoth | its added headaches for them |
| 18:30.13 | kergoth | more to deal with |
| 18:30.25 | hunger | gaurdian_: So if they want something from us, then they have to play by ouer rules. |
| 18:30.34 | hunger | gaurdian_: That's how I see it at least. |
| 18:30.34 | numatrix | hunger: I wouldn't put it that way. |
| 18:30.46 | kergoth | If their expections are wrong, thats their problem. |
| 18:30.56 | gaurdian_ | and if you want something from them hunger ? do they still need to play by your rules ? |
| 18:30.59 | numatrix | hunger: There's definitely a bit of negotiation involved, I would hope. |
| 18:31.25 | kergoth | gaurdian_: its not about wanting something from them, its about them returning the favor. If they arent willing to give, they shouldnt have involved themselves. |
| 18:31.31 | hunger | gaurdian_: What should I want from company X? If I don't get it there I'll go and buy another toy from company Y. |
| 18:31.36 | treke | gaurdian_: If we want soemthing from the company I have to abide by there requirments |
| 18:31.36 | kergoth | gaurdian_: as I said, sharp fucked up because they didtn know what we're getting into |
| 18:32.27 | hunger | gaurdian_, numatrix: Of course that's a bit too simple. There will be a lot of negotiation involved on both sides I hope:-) |
| 18:32.28 | gaurdian_ | kergoth , that may very well be, re: sharp in this case, I dont know |
| 18:32.48 | kergoth | gaurdian_: its the case in most situations when companies attempt to interface with teh community. They have no idea what they're getting into. |
| 18:32.59 | kergoth | gaurdian_: if they did, they wouldnt have these supposed flawed expectations |
| 18:33.02 | chouimat | kergoth: the good majority of co won't do opensource because they can't make money on the software licences |
| 18:33.02 | numatrix | by the way, how many people did buy a zaurus? Have the sharp reps ever quoted any numbers? I know 4 other people where I work, so I'm thinking there had to have been a fair number. Was it just not as much as they expected? |
| 18:33.32 | treke | the difference in the case of open source is the only thing left for me to give up is the expectation to be able to use improvements made by the company in my original code |
| 18:33.49 | numatrix | chouimat: Though in the pda market that's obviously not the goal (well, it doesn't have to be). Palm never made much off sw licensing which is why their product took off. |
| 18:34.05 | numatrix | chouimat: Which, I suppose, is why sharp figured they'd give it a go. |
| 18:34.43 | chouimat | numatrix: i agree ,but in my case in need to justify everything on my bills ... |
| 18:35.58 | numatrix | chouimat: I completely agree with what you said above about expertise. In fact, that seems like it's turning out to be the biggest successful business model with OS. See RedHat, and others. |
| 18:36.08 | numatrix | Support that is. |
| 18:36.44 | chouimat | numatrix: exactly ... I must always tell them that they save a lot of $$$$ |
| 18:37.26 | chouimat | and the base of the systems if free, but their customized app is not Open source |
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| 20:22.40 | kennyj | Damn, I haven't touched my poor neglected Z in almost two months... |
| 20:23.48 | kennyj | can anyone offer me any advice on anything truly major that's changed, aside from the OZ 3.1 release candidates? |
| 20:26.59 | kennyj | ooh, anyone know if the oprah, hancom, and jeode extractor ipks actually work properly now? |
| 20:27.06 | kennyj | errr, Opera |
| 20:27.24 | kergoth | the apps work fine. last i heard the creators worked fine as well |
| 20:27.43 | kennyj | nice... i remember having trouble with Opera and no luck at all with Jeode. |
| 20:28.15 | cbok | kg? |
| 20:28.19 | cbok | quick q if you're alive |
| 20:28.21 | kennyj | now I just gotta re-acquaint myself with all the third-party stuff, since I forgot most stuff |
| 20:29.17 | kennyj | I just HAD to reformat and pop out that CF disk so I could take those pictures when I had that temp photography job... got me the first decent pictures I've had in years, but rendered my Z useless. |
| 20:32.32 | kennyj | hey Kergoth, have you considered setting up a paypal donation box or anything to that effect? |
| 20:32.40 | kergoth | its already setup |
| 20:32.55 | kergoth | Credits page on openzaurus.org has donation links for the OZ devs who put their info in, including myself |
| 20:33.03 | kennyj | oh |
| 20:33.43 | kergoth | I just havent announced it in the notices of the OZ releases on the mailing lists |
| 20:34.25 | kennyj | I hate to bring it up since you said on the front page that you didn't want to be nagged on it, but... have you considered setting up a fund to purchase a license for the SD/MMC spec, so you or someone working with you could make your own binary release of the driver? |
| 20:34.41 | kergoth | I've considered numerous possibiliti.es |
| 20:34.43 | kergoth | including that one. |
| 20:35.05 | kennyj | just an idea, figured it wouldn't hurt (much) |
| 20:35.12 | kennyj | good luck with it anyway, whatever you decide to do in the end |
| 20:35.49 | kennyj | this project is the one thing that keeps the Z from sucking and I love you all for it ^__^ |
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| 20:46.29 | eth | is somebody around for a couple of opie player 2 questions? |
| 20:58.44 | hunger | Yahoo. ipkg upgrade to unstable went finally through. |
| 20:59.59 | hunger | Now I can't start OPIE anymore... Agian those bad file descriptors. |
| 21:00.17 | kergoth | weird, never seen that |
| 21:01.40 | hunger | kergoth: There's no /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/fonts dir. |
| 21:03.20 | hunger | kergoth: I guess I need libqt2-emb-fonts |
| 21:19.36 | kergoth | hunger: yes, you do. that upgrade path is fixed now, onyx4 needs to update the unstable feed |
| 21:19.51 | hunger | kergoth: /dev/ts is missing too. |
| 21:20.04 | hunger | kergoth: ln -s /dev/sharp_ts /dev/ts will fix this? |
| 21:20.10 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:20.11 | kergoth | um |
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| 21:20.16 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.20 | kergoth | as provided by oz-base |
| 21:20.33 | neale | howdy y'all |
| 21:20.39 | kergoth | hey neale |
| 21:20.41 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 21:20.53 | neale | it goes |
| 21:20.54 | neale | et tu? |
| 21:20.57 | kergoth | same |
| 21:21.00 | neale | heh |
| 21:21.14 | neale | I have a real love/hate relationship with this Zaurus |
| 21:21.30 | neale | but I found a neat bug |
| 21:21.42 | neale | you DO NOT want to put an NFS filesystem in /etc/fstab |
| 21:21.48 | kergoth | heh, yep |
| 21:21.52 | kergoth | boot process is real fun then |
| 21:21.57 | hunger | kergoth: Yes, that's in there. But it's only a symlink too. |
| 21:22.12 | neale | it hangs |
| 21:22.22 | neale | so, maybe we shouldn't run nfsmount.sh at startup. |
| 21:22.29 | kergoth | hunger: of course its only a symlink. |
| 21:22.31 | hunger | Screen totally messed up now. Need to reboot. |
| 21:23.24 | neale | so now a question |
| 21:23.39 | neale | if the garbage collector for jffs2 fails, am I totally hosed? |
| 21:23.52 | kergoth | fails? |
| 21:23.55 | neale | it's eating up my CPU right now |
| 21:24.03 | neale | jffs2_reserve_space_gc of 196 bytes for garbage_collect_dnode failed: -4 |
| 21:24.04 | kergoth | eating cpu doesnt imply failure |
| 21:24.06 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:24.08 | kergoth | that does though |
| 21:24.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:24.10 | neale | that does :) |
| 21:24.20 | kergoth | yeah, it needs a certain amount of flash to garbage collect |
| 21:24.21 | neale | I'm trying to restore my FS |
| 21:24.24 | kergoth | you're probably totally full |
| 21:24.26 | neale | ah so I |
| 21:24.27 | neale | dang |
| 21:24.30 | neale | probably :( |
| 21:24.32 | kergoth | newer jffs2 holds a bit of space |
| 21:24.38 | kergoth | so you cant get into that situation |
| 21:24.39 | neale | /dev/mtdblock4 14464 11636 2828 80% / |
| 21:24.41 | kergoth | but 2.4.6.... |
| 21:24.48 | kergoth | hmm, should be enough |
| 21:24.48 | kergoth | odd |
| 21:24.50 | neale | is 80% too much? |
| 21:24.51 | neale | yeah |
| 21:25.04 | neale | so is the FS corrupt? |
| 21:25.18 | kergoth | dunno |
| 21:25.32 | neale | oh, cool, uncharted territory! |
| 21:25.40 | neale | well I'll reboot and let you know what happens. |
| 21:26.15 | kergoth | k |
| 21:26.40 | hunger | kergoth: Any idea how to fix this: QDir::readDirEntries: Cannot read the directory: /opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/textcodecs |
| 21:27.12 | kergoth | hunger: thats not an error. |
| 21:27.17 | kergoth | hunger: its a harmless warning |
| 21:27.22 | kergoth | hunger: that is always outputted |
| 21:27.26 | hunger | kergoth: I get the same for imagecodec |
| 21:27.29 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:27.32 | kergoth | and you always will |
| 21:27.36 | hunger | kergoth: Later it stops because it cannot convert a image. |
| 21:27.38 | kergoth | until they clean it up in opie. its harmless |
| 21:28.03 | kergoth | cannot convert a null image? thats harmless as well. |
| 21:28.09 | kergoth | if its failing, its not failing due to those messages. |
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| 21:28.17 | Dessimat0r | w00t |
| 21:28.19 | hunger | kergoth: Well, those are the only messages. |
| 21:28.20 | kergoth | yo dess |
| 21:28.21 | Dessimat0r | Gentoo is installed |
| 21:28.22 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
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| 21:28.26 | kergoth | hunger: opie-pics is install, right? |
| 21:28.31 | Dessimat0r | lo kergoth |
| 21:28.31 | kergoth | installed rather |
| 21:28.48 | hunger | kergoth: Yeap. it's up to date. |
| 21:29.05 | godsmoke | hmm ... the 3.1rc3 is supposed to come out today, right? |
| 21:29.36 | kergoth | it is? |
| 21:29.46 | godsmoke | 5-7 days from Jan 30th |
| 21:29.49 | godsmoke | today is the 7th day |
| 21:29.54 | kergoth | yeah, thats what we call a rough estimate |
| 21:29.59 | godsmoke | ah :) |
| 21:30.02 | kergoth | it may or it may not. |
| 21:30.05 | godsmoke | ok |
| 21:30.08 | kergoth | depends on whether I even have time to work on it |
| 21:30.14 | kergoth | I'm at work doing what i get paid to do atm |
| 21:30.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:30.18 | godsmoke | hehe |
| 21:30.21 | godsmoke | damn work ;) |
| 21:30.24 | hunger | kergoth: Great:-( I'm going to FOSDEM tomorrow and can't use my Z:-( I only bought it to show it of, now I can't. |
| 21:30.32 | neale | seems fine now |
| 21:30.37 | godsmoke | hunger: why not? |
| 21:30.46 | neale | before, all writes were blocking forever |
| 21:30.52 | neale | strange |
| 21:30.57 | kergoth | hunger: strace it? |
| 21:31.15 | hunger | kergoth: It locks up the screen on bootup. |
| 21:31.25 | kergoth | .. |
| 21:31.26 | hunger | kergoth: I can still ssh into the box. |
| 21:31.26 | kergoth | and? |
| 21:31.27 | neale | hunger: that'll teach you to mess with it ;) |
| 21:31.30 | kergoth | strace to a file. |
| 21:31.34 | kergoth | then tail -f the file |
| 21:31.42 | kergoth | form your ssh connection |
| 21:32.19 | neale | With the Z I quickly realized that the implications of running development versions of stuff were more severe than with development versions of a desktop OS. |
| 21:32.39 | kergoth | not if you store your todo list in a text file you edit with vi |
| 21:32.40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:32.55 | neale | that pissed me off for a few weeks, but I'm coming around again now that I'm accepting the state of maturity of stuff |
| 21:33.03 | neale | yeah that's a good idea too :) |
| 21:33.30 | kergoth | opie's stability has improved quite a bit |
| 21:33.37 | godsmoke | yep |
| 21:33.39 | kergoth | as long as you dont try incremental upgraes |
| 21:33.41 | kergoth | upgrades, rather |
| 21:33.46 | kergoth | upgrade everything or nothing. |
| 21:33.49 | godsmoke | with 3.1rc2, I've noticed some great improvements in opie |
| 21:34.06 | godsmoke | can't wait for more |
| 21:34.51 | neale | yeah opie's gotten a lot better |
| 21:35.01 | neale | but it's not rock solid yet. |
| 21:35.11 | kergoth | this is linux, nothing is ever rock solid |
| 21:35.15 | neale | still, probably about on par with the sharp rom |
| 21:35.17 | kergoth | just sometimes its really rock looking foam |
| 21:35.27 | neale | I beg to differ |
| 21:35.30 | neale | well |
| 21:35.33 | neale | okay maybe |
| 21:35.35 | neale | heh |
| 21:35.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:35.57 | kergoth | i'm only half serious :) |
| 21:36.05 | kergoth | lots of things are amazingly solid, but the rest .. |
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| 21:37.24 | neale | most of what I do with linux is very, very stable |
| 21:37.50 | neale | but there's a lot of cool stuff to play with that make four box unstable |
| 21:37.55 | kennyj | Just out of curiosity, any gotchas in upgrading from OZ 3.0 to 3.1rc2? |
| 21:38.16 | kergoth | 3.0? who knows |
| 21:38.19 | kergoth | should work |
| 21:38.27 | kergoth | I believe onyx4 confirmed the upgrade paths are smooth |
| 21:38.32 | kergoth | I personally havent done it in a while |
| 21:38.34 | kennyj | I mean more to the effect of anything just not working anymore or anything like that |
| 21:39.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:39.18 | kennyj | for instance, I don't want to see Cthulu jump out of my SD slot when I turn it on |
| 21:39.20 | kergoth | rc2 is more stable than 3.0 |
| 21:39.38 | kennyj | (as if anyone will get that reference) |
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| 21:47.24 | godsmoke | kergoth: not to pressure you, just asking, if any progress on that CF unload and lod every time the Z comes out of suspend? |
| 21:47.30 | godsmoke | load* |
| 21:47.32 | kergoth | there is not |
| 21:47.35 | kergoth | and there will not be. |
| 21:47.35 | godsmoke | ok |
| 21:47.38 | godsmoke | ? |
| 21:47.39 | kergoth | It will not be looked into. |
| 21:47.47 | kergoth | It is likely fixed in the move to 2.4.19 |
| 21:47.48 | godsmoke | may I ask why? |
| 21:47.54 | godsmoke | oh, ok |
| 21:48.00 | kergoth | and i refuse to waste time on 2.4.6 kernel fixes when they'll go away of their own accord. |
| 21:48.08 | godsmoke | heh |
| 21:48.37 | kergoth | godsmoke: theres a bug open in the bug tracking system on www.arm.linux.org.uk on this very issue |
| 21:48.45 | kergoth | godsmoke: its definitately kernel |
| 21:48.49 | godsmoke | ok |
| 21:49.16 | godsmoke | anyone here care to recomend a router for a decently sized home network? |
| 21:49.26 | godsmoke | I don't want some shit linksys, but i can't afford an $800 cisco |
| 21:49.37 | kergoth | a p166 running linux? |
| 21:49.39 | kergoth | ;) |
| 21:49.46 | godsmoke | eh, don't have a spare |
| 21:49.53 | kergoth | i just bought a toshiba magnia sg20 for mine |
| 21:50.04 | godsmoke | I used to run my router off of an openvbsd box |
| 21:50.08 | godsmoke | openbsd* |
| 21:50.12 | godsmoke | but, the computer died |
| 21:50.15 | kergoth | $250, 8 network ports, pcmcia slot, runs redhat and has a web interface |
| 21:50.17 | kergoth | ah, that sucks |
| 21:50.22 | kergoth | buy a old box off compgeeks.com |
| 21:50.34 | godsmoke | I don't want to pay for an old comp |
| 21:50.35 | godsmoke | :) |
| 21:50.52 | kergoth | so you'll pay for a supposed 'router' that gives you less control? |
| 21:50.54 | kergoth | ;) |
| 21:50.57 | godsmoke | no |
| 21:51.05 | godsmoke | I'll pay for one that gives me the same control |
| 21:51.30 | kergoth | pick up the magnia. its linux, but its compact, not a huge AT case |
| 21:53.31 | godsmoke | redhat hmm |
| 21:54.13 | neale | kennyj: you misspelled "Cthulhu". |
| 21:55.40 | hunger | I get a segfault after it opened /usr/bin/logger |
| 21:55.48 | neale | yeah godsmoke, buy an old P100 and put LRP on it. |
| 21:56.47 | hunger | Starting Opie with syslog logging..... |
| 21:56.47 | hunger | chvt: VT_ACTIVATE: Bad file descriptor |
| 21:56.47 | hunger | Segmentation fault |
| 21:56.50 | godsmoke | neale: I'm not gonna pay for a p100 |
| 21:56.59 | hunger | chvt: VT_ACTIVATE: Bad file descriptor |
| 21:57.10 | hunger | That's the last non-strace lines I see. |
| 21:57.12 | neale | okay, then dig through a dumpster |
| 21:57.22 | neale | the point is, you can get one for practically free |
| 21:58.27 | godsmoke | and besides, a p100 can't handle my traffic |
| 21:58.32 | godsmoke | I've tried |
| 21:58.36 | godsmoke | I needed a p2 350 |
| 21:58.40 | godsmoke | with 64 mb ram |
| 21:59.06 | godsmoke | but anyway... |
| 22:00.26 | neale | well if you ask for router recommendations on a channel where embedded linux guys hang out, you're probably only going to get one kind of answer ;) |
| 22:00.50 | godsmoke | but I didn't |
| 22:00.55 | godsmoke | I got a couple different answers |
| 22:01.11 | godsmoke | one that was helpful |
| 22:01.12 | neale | I mean answers from the important people in the channel. |
| 22:01.14 | neale | Namely, me. |
| 22:10.20 | hunger | open("/dev/console", O_RDWR) = -1 ENODEV (No such device) |
| 22:10.41 | hunger | ls -alF /dev/console |
| 22:10.42 | hunger | crw-rw--w- 1 root tty 5, 1 Dec 10 2002 /dev/console |
| 22:11.54 | hunger | cat /dev/console |
| 22:11.54 | hunger | cat: /dev/console: No such device |
| 22:12.00 | hunger | Now that should probably not happen. |
| 22:12.22 | godsmoke | kergoth: thanks for the suggestion, that device looks great, I'm gonna buy one |
| 22:17.39 | kergoth | no problem |
| 22:17.47 | kergoth | hunger: hm, is your /dev/* propogated? |
| 22:17.55 | kergoth | hunger: it sounds like your dev.tar didnt get extracted on boot |
| 22:17.58 | kergoth | hunger: by /etc/init.d/extractfs |
| 22:18.09 | hunger | kergoth: There is /dev/tty0-12 |
| 22:18.19 | kergoth | hunger: i know. |
| 22:18.27 | hunger | kergoth: and there is /dev/console. Permissions on it are the same as on my desktop. |
| 22:18.39 | kergoth | hunger: there is a certain subset of the devices stored in flash so the system is sufficiently solid prior to the /dev ramdisk mount |
| 22:18.43 | kergoth | is /dev mounted? |
| 22:19.11 | hunger | ramfs on /dev type ramfs (rw) |
| 22:19.15 | hunger | kergoth: Yeap. |
| 22:19.24 | kergoth | hmm, weird |
| 22:19.28 | hunger | kergoth: I just extracted /boot/dev.tar once more. |
| 22:19.48 | hunger | chvt does not work. |
| 22:19.59 | kergoth | chvt in busybox is broken anyway |
| 22:20.04 | kergoth | its supposed to be using /dev/tty, not /dev/console |
| 22:20.18 | hunger | kergoth: This is OZ3.1rc2 upgraded to unstable plus that embedded-fonts ipk |
| 22:20.37 | kergoth | nothing changed in /dev |
| 22:20.39 | kergoth | in unstable |
| 22:23.32 | hunger | qpe tries to acces a lot of files in /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/devicebuttons/ which I don't have. |
| 22:25.24 | hunger | kergoth: Ah! ipkg install opie-base complains about not being able to satisfy dependenclibopie11y on |
| 22:25.39 | kergoth | -force-depends, was a typo in the control file |
| 22:25.48 | kergoth | probably b0rked your upgrade, prevented the opie-base transition |
| 22:27.44 | hunger | Ah, that conflicts against libqt2-embedded-fonts. |
| 22:27.54 | kergoth | opie-base no longer exists. |
| 22:28.05 | kergoth | its Provided by .. opie-common i believe? |
| 22:28.11 | kergoth | you need: |
| 22:28.41 | hunger | kergoth: Yeap, it's installing opie-common. |
| 22:29.29 | hunger | kergoth: How do I start opie now? there's no more /etc/init.d/opie anymore. |
| 22:30.34 | kergoth | libqpe1, libopie1, opie-common, opie-taskbar |
| 22:30.43 | kergoth | teh startup script is now included with the launcher itself |
| 22:30.44 | kergoth | in opie-taskbar |
| 22:30.59 | kergoth | qt-embedded and qt-embedded-fonts is now libqt2-emb and libqt2-emb-fonts |
| 22:33.10 | hunger | kergoth: The upgradepath to unstable is really messy! |
| 22:33.49 | hunger | kergoth: Everything depends on either libopie1 or libopie11, you cannot install the ipks without uninstalling some others first. |
| 22:35.14 | kergoth | what part of "the upgarde path is already fixed, but onyx4 needs to update the unstable feed" dont you understand? |
| 22:35.24 | hunger | kergoth: And I just found out that upgrading ipkg changed the feed to testing:-) |
| 22:36.51 | kergoth | 15:20 < kergoth> hunger: yes, you do. that upgrade path is fixed now, onyx4 |
| 22:36.52 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:44.16 | kergoth | brb |
| 22:46.54 | LordVan | nite all |
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