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| 16:29.09 | ShiShi | hello |
| 16:30.44 | ShiShi | i have a problem with my new cf card (sandisk) , i install on it xmms and qpdf but when i open a pdf the first page is corrupted and it close when i want see the second page and in xmms whne i want play a mp3 he doesn't read it |
| 16:33.35 | ShiShi | i format my cf card in ext2 , but i can't format it in vfat , and i can't add a partition in /dev/hda , fdisk tell me Bus error :( |
| 16:33.45 | ShiShi | someone can help me ? |
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| 17:14.32 | bipolar | wow... it's been a while since I upgraded OZ... this is really nice |
| 17:15.35 | Laze | ulux: lart ulyx |
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| 18:30.12 | mewyn | kergoth: ping |
| 18:30.16 | kergoth | mewyn: pong |
| 18:31.33 | mewyn | kergoth: i recently installed linux for an MCSE friend of mine, and it got me to thinking about one of linux's very weak points. configuration |
| 18:32.05 | kergoth | I take it LinuxConf isnt sufficient? ;) |
| 18:32.19 | mewyn | hardly |
| 18:32.40 | mewyn | first of all, its such a headache with the bazillion config files for linux |
| 18:32.55 | kergoth | I think that sort of approach is best, since there's no way in hell you'll get the various projects to standardize on configuration syntax |
| 18:33.45 | mewyn | that's kinda one thing that i ended up thinking will keep linux small time |
| 18:34.03 | kergoth | I disagree. small time for the _desktop_ perhaps |
| 18:34.11 | mewyn | yah |
| 18:34.15 | kergoth | configuration of _any_ unix is a pain, it always has been |
| 18:34.24 | mewyn | but i don't think it should be |
| 18:34.26 | kergoth | hasnt caused Sun or IBM to fail in teh server arena :) |
| 18:34.55 | kergoth | I dont think it shoudl be either, but without a standard or policy for configuration that is linux-wide, you need a pluginable config system ala linuxconf |
| 18:35.08 | mewyn | *shudder* |
| 18:35.32 | kergoth | heh, good luck trying to impose a configuration standard :) |
| 18:36.11 | kergoth | now they could impose a standard in UnitedLinux, and patch all the necessary apps |
| 18:36.20 | kergoth | but that again would only apply to apps with the distribution |
| 18:36.36 | kergoth | and you cant force the upstream maintainers to accept the patches globally either |
| 18:38.18 | mewyn | i dunno |
| 18:38.35 | kergoth | just work on a better UI for linuxconf |
| 18:38.46 | kergoth | I think the concept is sound, given the limitations of what we can do |
| 18:40.23 | mewyn | it's kinda like devfs |
| 18:40.28 | mewyn | fuckin awesome idea |
| 18:40.36 | mewyn | but can't get people out of their ruts to change |
| 18:40.45 | kergoth | heh, devfs was worse than that |
| 18:40.49 | kergoth | its implementation sucked |
| 18:41.15 | mewyn | i havent' had problems in later versions |
| 18:41.19 | kergoth | devicefs now, it is a solid idea with what appears to be a pretty solid implementation |
| 18:41.30 | mewyn | but devfsd is a bitch |
| 18:41.33 | kergoth | mewyn: no one has touched its code in ages, and it requires direct support for it in each driver |
| 18:41.41 | mewyn | hrm |
| 18:41.51 | mewyn | devicefs in 2.5? |
| 18:42.02 | kergoth | mewyn: devicefs, device registration occurs in areas above the driver. if you register a character device, you support devicefs.. implicitly |
| 18:42.08 | kergoth | mewyn: yeah. read up on the Device Model |
| 18:42.21 | kergoth | devicefs is just a filesystem interface into the device model, afaicr |
| 18:42.23 | kergoth | its quite cool |
| 18:42.24 | kergoth | brb |
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| 18:59.27 | mewyn | damnit this sucks |
| 19:00.33 | kergoth | mewyn: ? |
| 19:01.32 | mewyn | joblessness |
| 19:01.41 | kergoth | ah, yep |
| 19:09.02 | mewyn | hrm... i think the cartridge fariy came and gave me new cartridges |
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| 19:12.06 | chouimat | hi all |
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| 20:30.21 | teferi | anyone feel like giving me a hand getting Opera to run on OZ 3? I've gotten the opera ipk installed and generated, and I know I need to gank some libraries from the Sharp ROM (I read the FAQ), but the forum post linked to from that specific FAQ appears to be on a forum that's quite down... |
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| 20:42.45 | kergoth | teferi: just use the rcs, it should work out of hte box without any libs |
| 20:45.11 | teferi | rcs? |
| 20:46.13 | teferi | oh, the release candidate 3.1? |
| 20:46.14 | teferi | poking through the sharp forums, it seems that that has problems loading images. |
| 20:47.16 | kergoth | the release candidate is 1) more stable and 2) more feature rich than 3.0, other than the wifi kismet bug |
| 20:47.32 | teferi | okay. |
| 20:47.40 | teferi | will it still fit on a 5000? |
| 20:47.47 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:47.49 | kergoth | of course. |
| 20:47.57 | kergoth | I'm not removing 5000d support. ever. |
| 20:48.09 | teferi | and the initrd and kernel will fit on a 16M CF card that's actually 15.2M? |
| 20:48.18 | teferi | I'm working with somewhat limited resources, heh. |
| 20:48.29 | kergoth | 1) you can flash initrd.bin and zImage independently if you have to |
| 20:48.41 | kergoth | 2) inird.bin is approximate 14megs, zimage is approximately 600k |
| 20:48.46 | teferi | yeah, thought so |
| 20:48.47 | teferi | great! |
| 20:48.51 | kergoth | 3) 3.1 is not any bigger than 3.0 :) |
| 20:48.55 | teferi | I'll go grab the card and reader and flash the new one on. |
| 20:48.56 | teferi | Thanks a lot. |
| 20:48.59 | kergoth | no problem |
| 20:49.14 | teferi | I just got this yesterday from a friend who hasn't been using it much - can't see why. |
| 20:49.36 | teferi | Thinking I'll be buying my own zaurus once the American version of the C700 comes out in the fall. |
| 20:53.07 | kergoth | if it comes out in the fall. |
| 20:53.20 | kergoth | I dont recall reading any Sharp press release regarding it, which means its rumor. |
| 20:53.29 | teferi | the guys at the intel booth at linuxworld said it would. |
| 20:53.54 | kergoth | Sharp has an internal english rom for the c700, but until a press release is out, nothing is guaranteed. |
| 20:54.04 | teferi | yeah, the japanese c700 they had there was running it |
| 20:54.25 | kergoth | that reminds me, I need to pester the sharp japan folks to get that rom image |
| 20:54.30 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:57.34 | kergoth | teferi: fyi: |
| 20:57.34 | kergoth | > The C700 in the US, if ever? |
| 20:57.35 | kergoth | No, the C700 is a Japanese line product just like the A3 and will not be |
| 20:57.35 | kergoth | coming to the US. (this is an update from a month ago where speculation |
| 20:57.35 | kergoth | abounded) |
| 20:57.47 | teferi | kergoth, Yeah, they said it wouldn't be under that name. |
| 20:57.48 | kergoth | ^^-response from ben meyer, who works for sharp US |
| 20:58.11 | kergoth | well obviously, they have to up the battery if nothing else |
| 20:58.14 | kergoth | its not ready for the US market |
| 20:58.16 | teferi | yeah |
| 20:58.19 | kergoth | and the stock qtopia looks like crap |
| 20:58.28 | kergoth | I sincerely hope they load a decent qt2 style on there |
| 20:58.29 | teferi | that's why the delay is so long, they said - gotta fix the battery issue |
| 20:59.14 | kergoth | teferi: I have a c700 here, fyi. I'm working with Dynamism |
| 20:59.20 | kergoth | I hope they do bring it here, it'll sell like mad |
| 20:59.43 | kergoth | though I hope they outfit it with a C0 stepping of the pxa chip, which is less buggy |
| 21:00.13 | teferi | I fell in love with the thing when I saw it at linuxworld |
| 21:00.35 | kergoth | yeah, it has that affect on ya :) |
| 21:01.13 | teferi | gorgeous screen, much more usable keyboard...if they can fix the battery problem, it'll sell like crazy |
| 21:01.52 | kergoth | yup |
| 21:02.06 | kergoth | the performance needs work, which is hwy i hope they switch to C0 |
| 21:02.12 | kergoth | app launch times are horrendous |
| 21:02.23 | kergoth | and the launcher.. god, it takes like 5 minutes to boot the damn thing |
| 21:02.32 | teferi | that sucks |
| 21:03.06 | kergoth | yeah, I'm hoping to play with prelink on the OZ rom on it |
| 21:03.12 | kergoth | should improve that a lot |
| 21:05.13 | teferi | flash, baby, flash... |
| 21:08.58 | mewyn | kergoth: do you know how i can convert a string object to a float? |
| 21:09.03 | mewyn | this is driving me nuts |
| 21:09.47 | teferi | atof on whatever method of the object yields a C-style string? |
| 21:10.16 | mewyn | atof(char *), i need to use a string object, not a standard c style string |
| 21:10.21 | teferi | yeah. |
| 21:10.27 | mewyn | it doesn't work |
| 21:10.30 | teferi | there's got to be a method on the string object which will return a c string |
| 21:10.40 | mewyn | none that i can find |
| 21:10.52 | mewyn | i can't find any god damned docs on STL anyway |
| 21:10.53 | teferi | even if it's operator char* |
| 21:11.37 | teferi | I think String::data() is it...don't quote me. |
| 21:12.17 | kergoth | yeah, theres a metho, i dont recall what it is though :) |
| 21:12.30 | kergoth | i havent touched the std lib in some time, been using Qt |
| 21:12.32 | mewyn | any way of finding it? i can't find any man pages or shit |
| 21:12.50 | kergoth | a book? I know stroustrup covers it.. there are online books too |
| 21:19.45 | mewyn | anyone know how to suppress warnings in g++? |
| 21:21.10 | teferi | mewyn, looks like refdata() might be it |
| 21:22.21 | teferi | ah! |
| 21:22.22 | teferi | c_str() |
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| 21:22.32 | teferi | that's it |
| 21:25.01 | teferi | wtf, stupid thing, don't crash |
| 21:25.26 | mewyn | god damnit |
| 21:25.39 | mewyn | i took the long way around |
| 21:25.51 | mewyn | now it won't let me assign the fucknig variable |
| 21:25.56 | teferi | it's definitely String::c_str() |
| 21:26.24 | mewyn | i don't care about that now |
| 21:26.34 | mewyn | now it won't let me write to a variable |
| 21:26.45 | teferi | is it const or private/protected? |
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| 21:27.01 | mewyn | it's private, but this is a friend function |
| 21:27.12 | mewyn | d_grad.h:54: invalid use of member `graduate::gpa' |
| 21:27.41 | teferi | is gpa a class variable? |
| 21:27.45 | mewyn | yes |
| 21:29.25 | teferi | goddamnit, why isn't dhcp working in oz 3.1? |
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| 21:39.53 | teferi | okay, this is behaving very oddly and I don;t like it at all |
| 21:40.17 | jeb` | what are you doing? |
| 21:41.16 | teferi | I stick in my CF 802.11b card (it's a prism chipset), network settings shows it's up and shows the ip, bring up terminal, ifconfig wlan0 shows the iface is up, but has no ip assigned |
| 21:41.45 | teferi | stop, eject, reinsert card, this time network settings doesn't even think the card is inserted |
| 21:42.15 | teferi | and manually ifdown wlan0;ifup wlan0 has the dhcp client sitting there sending out cries for help and getting nothing back |
| 21:43.21 | rabbit_uk | have you verified that the other side is working okay? |
| 21:44.00 | teferi | this laptop is using the same wireless access point now. |
| 21:44.07 | teferi | furthermore, the card worked fine in OZ 3.0 |
| 21:47.23 | teferi | any suggestions? |
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| 21:49.01 | teferi | ah-ha |
| 21:49.03 | teferi | there we go |
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| 23:13.50 | LordVan | nite all |
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| 23:31.01 | kennyj | what's a good top clone? I was thinking of using WhatsUpOnZ, how is that? |
| 23:31.27 | kergoth | just use the opie sysinfo |
| 23:31.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:31.55 | kennyj | oh, forgot about that one |
| 23:31.56 | kennyj | lol |
| 23:33.32 | kennyj | which feed is preferred to be browsing in? Is testing good, or is stable up-to-date with the newest good stuff? |
| 23:33.45 | kergoth | stable hasnt been touched since 3.0 |
| 23:33.51 | kergoth | nor will it be until 3.1 releases |
| 23:33.55 | kennyj | heh, good thing I asked |
| 23:33.57 | kergoth | stable = 3.0 |
| 23:34.01 | kergoth | testing = 3.1rc* |
| 23:34.04 | kergoth | unstable = bleeding edge |
| 23:34.49 | kennyj | ok, testing is where I should be, and unstable is where I go when I'm drunk and bored to tears? |
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| 23:35.01 | kergoth | kennyj: something like that yeah :) |
| 23:36.30 | kennyj | anything I should be sure to install for the sake of being up-to-date, or am I good with rc2? |
| 23:36.39 | kergoth | hostap-modules from unstable |
| 23:36.45 | kergoth | linksys wifi cards dont work with the one in rc2 |
| 23:36.57 | kennyj | hostap is for linksys wifi? |
| 23:37.14 | kennyj | well, I dun need that, so cool beans ^_^ |
| 23:37.16 | kergoth | hostap is for any wifi card thats prism based. |
| 23:37.32 | kergoth | just the one in rc2 didnt have the wcf11 and wcf12 card entries in its config |
| 23:37.44 | kennyj | ahh |
| 23:37.51 | carsten | so, good night |
| 23:39.22 | kennyj | konq in unstable any good, or still buggy? It's been there a while... |
| 23:42.35 | kennyj | ok, last couple questions I should need to ask as I re-acclimate myself: 1. What's a good image viewer? 2. What's a good dictionary app? (I got ZBedic already, anything better?) |
| 23:43.06 | kergoth | 1) mooview, 2) no idea |
| 23:43.14 | kennyj | k, thanks a lot |
| 23:43.22 | kergoth | np |
| 23:45.12 | kennyj | know of any other decent viewers (gif/png/bmp support perhaps?) |
| 23:45.32 | kennyj | I mean, this looks cool as hell for jpgs, but I might need to open something else on occasion :) |
| 23:45.32 | kergoth | dont know of any |
| 23:45.36 | kergoth | png support works fine |
| 23:45.42 | kergoth | dunno about gif or bmp |
| 23:45.48 | kennyj | oh? funny, it claims to only do jpeg |
| 23:45.50 | kergoth | i think our qt/e wasnt built with gif support, need to fix that |
| 23:45.52 | kennyj | heh, works for me |
| 23:46.01 | kergoth | it _should_.. dont recall |
| 23:46.03 | kergoth | put it this way |
| 23:46.08 | kergoth | both of my Zs are in console atm |
| 23:46.10 | kergoth | without opie installed :) |
| 23:49.47 | kennyj | heh, nice having Java support finally ^_^ |