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| 00:43.22 | [Lg]Ender | hey when it says to rename the ROM file to zImage is that zImage or zImage.bin ? |
| 00:43.41 | kergoth | it says zImage. |
| 00:43.44 | kergoth | do what it says. |
| 00:44.10 | [Lg]Ender | was jsut making sure :) |
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| 11:05.00 | vir182 | can aynone explain me why i can't create a link on my CF? like_ ln -s /mnt/cf/usr/lib/libxine.so.1.0.0 /mnt/cf/usr/libxine.so.1 ? |
| 11:15.26 | schurig | vir182: do a "mount" command. Is it mounted read-only ? |
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| 15:32.47 | schurig | ljp_work: Hi! Hmm, you're only here and not in #openembedded? |
| 15:33.19 | schurig | ljp_work: dave got your resumee, but he says we will have lot's of bureaucratic obstacles employing a foreigner |
| 15:33.20 | ljp_work | oh I am there also :) |
| 15:33.35 | schurig | Hmm, right. Sorry. |
| 15:33.38 | ljp_work | ya I know |
| 15:34.09 | ljp_work | :( damn borders/govm'nts |
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| 15:35.24 | qutopia009 | hi guys i am using OZ3.1rc2 and i am having really hard time working with the system it seems to be slow |
| 15:35.29 | qutopia009 | any ideas? |
| 15:35.44 | qutopia009 | i m using it on SL5500 |
| 15:38.20 | ljp_work | slow like what? |
| 15:38.44 | qutopia009 | it lags |
| 15:38.53 | qutopia009 | like i would tap and wait 15 seconds |
| 15:39.22 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:39.24 | ljp_work | after a resume? or all the time |
| 15:39.40 | qutopia009 | all the time |
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| 17:11.28 | kergoth | hey |
| 17:11.50 | cbok | k |
| 17:11.50 | cbok | g |
| 17:11.51 | cbok | ! |
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| 19:21.47 | fishy | so openzaurus fully supports SD cards now? |
| 19:21.58 | kergoth | .. |
| 19:22.00 | kergoth | it always has. |
| 19:22.08 | fishy | including reformatting? |
| 19:22.10 | kergoth | i dont understand the qeustion |
| 19:22.14 | kergoth | of course |
| 19:22.20 | kergoth | it is as capable as sharp and more |
| 19:22.20 | kergoth | period |
| 19:22.26 | fishy | ok :) |
| 19:22.41 | fishy | I dont have a zaurus :/ |
| 19:22.46 | kergoth | i dont see where people get this idea that sd isnt supported |
| 19:22.56 | fishy | I read it somewhere |
| 19:23.03 | kergoth | you misread it. |
| 19:23.13 | fishy | some licence issue they were having with sharp |
| 19:23.20 | kergoth | It was me discussing the 2.4.19 kernel on the Z |
| 19:23.22 | kergoth | 'they'? |
| 19:23.41 | fishy | you have ops :) |
| 19:23.43 | kergoth | yes, we have an issue with SD, _on_the_new_kernel_ only |
| 19:23.49 | fishy | ok |
| 19:23.50 | kergoth | existing versions have no problems whatsoever |
| 19:24.01 | fishy | so it can be formatted fat and ext2? |
| 19:24.05 | kergoth | .. |
| 19:24.09 | kergoth | it can in sharp, it can in OZ |
| 19:24.11 | kergoth | read the card howto |
| 19:24.14 | kergoth | zauruszone.com |
| 19:24.43 | fishy | and one more question |
| 19:25.20 | fishy | do 99% of the apps at http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ work with OZ? |
| 19:25.48 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:26.15 | [Lg]Ender | MaxxMame doesn't :( |
| 19:26.17 | [Lg]Ender | lol |
| 19:26.35 | fishy | that would be the 1% :) |
| 19:26.37 | fishy | :P |
| 19:26.38 | kergoth | still doesnt? |
| 19:26.46 | [Lg]Ender | This version does not seem to work with OZ3.0. |
| 19:26.50 | kergoth | I havent discussed it with him lately (the maxmame maintainer) |
| 19:26.51 | [Lg]Ender | didn't as of last posting |
| 19:26.58 | kergoth | he hasnt been online in a while |
| 19:28.09 | fishy | does OZ have shellscripting? |
| 19:28.18 | TheMasterMind1 | um |
| 19:28.21 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:28.25 | TheMasterMind1 | it has sh |
| 19:28.28 | TheMasterMind1 | so yes |
| 19:28.38 | TheMasterMind1 | we use busybox ash |
| 19:29.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:29.05 | [Lg]Ender | wonder if MaxMAME works with 3.1rc2 |
| 19:29.10 | [Lg]Ender | soemoen wanna try ;D |
| 19:29.31 | [Lg]Ender | i would but my CF card reader gets here in about 2 day..then i iwll be able to mess around |
| 19:35.01 | [Lg]Ender | http://home.maine.rr.com/lorddavon/sonic.jpg |
| 19:35.04 | [Lg]Ender | weee |
| 19:35.05 | [Lg]Ender | lol |
| 19:35.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:36.01 | [Lg]Ender | i remember the first time I beat that game |
| 19:36.08 | [Lg]Ender | the TV blew a tube right as I finished |
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| 19:42.07 | FrenkYo | hi |
| 19:42.25 | FrenkYo | how can I install qtopia desktop .rpm on debian :? |
| 19:42.31 | FrenkYo | can I make it .deb :? |
| 19:45.31 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 19:45.32 | TheMasterMind1 | alien |
| 19:45.39 | TheMasterMind1 | apt-get install alien; alient file.rpm |
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| 20:20.22 | fishy | debian :D |
| 20:28.15 | chrisb|zaurus | Anyone here used the python packages from wox.org? |
| 20:29.13 | TheMasterMind1 | debian has python in its feeds |
| 20:29.40 | kergoth | as does OZ unstable |
| 20:29.51 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 20:29.53 | TheMasterMind1 | thats what i meant |
| 20:29.56 | TheMasterMind1 | oz not debian |
| 20:29.58 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:29.58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:29.58 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm so out of it |
| 20:30.22 | chrisb|zaurus | i'll use that then - had troubles with the wox feed before. thanks |
| 20:33.44 | chrisb|zaurus | somebody help me... what are the python packages called in oz unstable? |
| 20:33.58 | kergoth | um, python-* |
| 20:35.18 | chrisb|zaurus | i don't *think* it's me being dumb... ;) |
| 20:35.31 | kergoth | hm, should be there |
| 20:35.35 | kergoth | but the feed is a bit out of date |
| 20:35.41 | kergoth | our feed updater guy hasnt been seen in a while |
| 20:35.47 | chrisb|zaurus | just refreshed my list |
| 20:36.32 | chrisb|zaurus | can't see them. they're only in unstable? |
| 20:36.55 | kergoth | yep, only unstable |
| 20:36.59 | kergoth | they were added relatively recently |
| 20:37.28 | chrisb|zaurus | can i get to them another way? |
| 20:37.35 | kergoth | not afaik |
| 20:37.41 | kergoth | again the feeds need upating |
| 20:37.42 | kergoth | updating |
| 20:37.48 | kergoth | i'll do so when i get a chance |
| 20:37.57 | kergoth | kergoth@oemx |
| 20:37.57 | kergoth | ~/coding/userspace/oz/linux-corgi/gcc2.95/packages$ cat ~/TODO|wc -l |
| 20:37.58 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:38.05 | chrisb|zaurus | spect they're in buildroot tho |
| 20:38.07 | kergoth | and thats not a comprehensive list |
| 20:38.08 | kergoth | yes, they are |
| 20:38.37 | kergoth | woo |
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| 20:38.50 | kergoth | hey scribe_, how goes it |
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| 20:39.07 | scribe_ | Hey kergoth! Pretty good. Took today off work. |
| 20:39.12 | chrisb|zaurus | any idea why the buildroot build would moan that my 2.95.3 gcc is too old? |
| 20:39.21 | scribe_ | What's openembedded? |
| 20:39.24 | kergoth | chrisb|zaurus: dont build libc6 2.3.1. |
| 20:39.30 | kergoth | chrisb|zaurus: build 2.2.4 |
| 20:39.48 | scribe_ | is there a project page? |
| 20:39.56 | kergoth | scribe_: http://openembedded.org |
| 20:40.01 | kergoth | its still largely in the conceptual phase |
| 20:40.04 | chrisb|zaurus | i don't think i told it which one to build... |
| 20:40.12 | kergoth | chrisb|zaurus: well why not? |
| 20:40.14 | kergoth | chrisb|zaurus: make menuconfig |
| 20:40.15 | kergoth | chrisb|zaurus: :) |
| 20:40.23 | chrisb|zaurus | aaaaah.... |
| 20:40.26 | mewyn | here and now, i feel like i'm embracing freedom. even though i may be alone, but that's ok |
| 20:41.14 | chrisb|zaurus | thanx |
| 20:42.54 | cbok | kergoth |
| 20:42.59 | cbok | you're taking me out for a beer |
| 20:43.01 | cbok | in 2 wks |
| 20:43.06 | cbok | i'll be back in mpls |
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| 20:45.00 | scribe_ | kergoth: is it kindof because of the recent ipaq support? kindof a unified linux embedded environment? |
| 20:45.44 | kergoth | scribe: something along those lines yes. its a generally useful embedded infrastructure. distribution agnostic. it could build a ipk based OZ or a rpm based whatever or just a tar.gz based cramfs image |
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| 20:45.54 | kergoth | scribe: designed with optimum flexibility and power in mind |
| 20:46.04 | kergoth | scribe: it will be used to build OZ going forward |
| 20:46.09 | kergoth | once its done anyway |
| 20:46.14 | kergoth | again, its still largely conceptual |
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| 20:47.14 | scribe | it sounds cool. |
| 20:48.18 | scribe | What's the quickest way to get a current developer environment set up for building oz stuff? I'm still using the trolltech contest compiler setup from last year. |
| 20:50.41 | kergoth | scribe: grab the OZ buildsystem. its what we use to build all of OZ from source |
| 20:50.46 | kergoth | cbok: ehhhh? |
| 20:50.47 | kergoth | cbok: heheh |
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| 20:51.41 | FrenkYo | I've installed kismet on openzaurus |
| 20:51.45 | scribe | kergoth: grabbing: http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 |
| 20:51.49 | FrenkYo | but I can't find the .conf file |
| 20:52.46 | scribe | kergoth: is this faq still valid? http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/oz_website/faq/faq?id=84 |
| 20:53.32 | kergoth | FrenkYo: its in the package. how can you not find it? |
| 20:53.39 | kergoth | scribe: yep, thats valid |
| 20:54.28 | FrenkYo | I make : kismet_server and the error output is that it can't find the /etc/kismet/kismet.conf |
| 20:54.39 | kergoth | what kismet package? |
| 20:55.11 | FrenkYo | the testing package |
| 20:55.20 | kergoth | FrenkYo: try the kismet packages from unstable |
| 20:55.25 | kergoth | FrenkYo: see if it exhibits the same behavior |
| 20:55.33 | FrenkYo | k |
| 20:56.02 | FrenkYo | do U know if socket wireless card is prism2 :? |
| 20:56.47 | kergoth | the config file should be set to not prism2 |
| 20:56.49 | kergoth | but pcap |
| 20:57.30 | FrenkYo | thx |
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| 21:14.12 | scribe | kergoth: I'm on step 7. This is coooool. You guys have been busy. |
| 21:15.05 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:15.11 | kergoth | saves a _lot_ of time |
| 21:15.16 | kergoth | we have over 200 and some packages now |
| 21:15.28 | scribe | yeah, i bet! |
| 21:15.29 | scribe | ha! |
| 21:15.50 | scribe | it's ftping the linux-2.4.6.tar.gz :) |
| 21:16.08 | kergoth | yup |
| 21:16.13 | kergoth | it'll grab everything it needs as it goes |
| 21:16.43 | scribe | this environment really encapsulates alot of knowledge that _I_ don't want to have. It enables others to get involved very easy. |
| 21:17.07 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:17.09 | kergoth | i didnt want to have this either |
| 21:17.12 | kergoth | but ah well |
| 21:17.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:17.25 | TheMasterMind1 | how did we end up with 200 packages |
| 21:17.32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: good question |
| 21:17.33 | kergoth | its more than that |
| 21:17.36 | kergoth | its just 200 dirs in packages/ |
| 21:17.43 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 21:17.45 | kergoth | opie generates an assload by iteself |
| 21:17.46 | kergoth | itself |
| 21:17.48 | kergoth | then python..j |
| 21:17.48 | kergoth | etc |
| 21:18.07 | TheMasterMind1 | takepatch: 493 new revisions, 0 conflicts in 179 files |
| 21:18.07 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 21:18.10 | TheMasterMind1 | you guys have been busy |
| 21:18.21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:18.33 | kergoth | just wait till i split out the init scripts into a shitlaod of independent packages |
| 21:18.44 | kergoth | i'll touch every makefile for every package that includes a startup script |
| 21:18.50 | kergoth | god i love schurig's patcher |
| 21:18.51 | kergoth | its so sweet |
| 21:18.59 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:19.31 | kergoth | i'm ditching dev.tar |
| 21:19.32 | kergoth | fyi |
| 21:19.46 | kergoth | its going to parse a device table file like the one in output/ on bootup and mknod the devices |
| 21:19.58 | kergoth | cause i realized the dev.tar is like 140k |
| 21:19.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:23.12 | scribe | kergoth: ok, so I'm gonna have a bunch of arm binaries when this is done? Including a set of recent Qt libs to link against for my app? |
| 21:23.30 | kergoth | you'll even have a shitload of ipks |
| 21:23.37 | kergoth | but yes, binaries, libs, everything |
| 21:24.46 | scribe | kergoth: :) Ok, great. One last thing: The trolltech env included x86 libs to link against to test my app on my local box before crosscompiling. Is there an easy way to get the same version of these libs for my x86 box? |
| 21:24.49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ooh, good idea |
| 21:25.19 | scribe | kergoth: Qt, is really all I'm worried about. |
| 21:25.36 | kergoth | scribe: probably best building qt/e for x86 manually |
| 21:25.43 | kergoth | scribe: read the sourcecode page on teh opie.handhelds.org wiki |
| 21:25.54 | kergoth | scribe: as long as you just dont use libopie, you'll still be Z compatible |
| 21:26.29 | scribe | kergoth: great. thanks for your help and the cool build system. |
| 21:26.34 | kergoth | no problem |
| 21:26.43 | kergoth | wait till you see the one we're designing for open embedded |
| 21:26.44 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:26.52 | kergoth | this was a hack |
| 21:27.11 | scribe | :) |
| 21:27.28 | kergoth | frankly i'm surprised it managed to scale as well as it did |
| 21:27.32 | kergoth | hacks upon hacks :) |
| 21:29.04 | FrenkYo | kergoth: are you sure that I must set not on prism2 but pcap :? |
| 21:29.11 | FrenkYo | # kismet_unmonitor |
| 21:29.12 | FrenkYo | Using /etc/kismet/kismet.conf sources... |
| 21:29.12 | FrenkYo | Unknown card type 'pcap'. Doing nothing. |
| 21:29.25 | scribe | hey, as long as it works and I don't have to figure out how to do all this myself! Looking forward to the new stuff. Maybe a way to include CVSROOT's from other projects that might want to be included in the build system :) |
| 21:29.58 | kergoth | scribe: it can pull sources from cvs and build |
| 21:30.09 | kergoth | scribe: in fact, it pulls ipkg, busybox, and others from cvs and builds them in the bulid process |
| 21:31.47 | scribe | I see this one doing that. But I mean, maybe an AUXPACKAGES file that has a series of CVSROOT's or something like that, for packages that people might want to include in their custom builds. |
| 21:32.10 | kergoth | you mean, to add your own apps to the build process? |
| 21:32.16 | kergoth | you can do that now, its documented in docs/DEVEL |
| 21:32.16 | scribe | yep. |
| 21:32.23 | scribe | :) oh cool. |
| 21:32.24 | kergoth | we need a wizard for it |
| 21:32.28 | kergoth | but that'll be i nthe new system |
| 21:32.33 | kergoth | for now, we just document how to add packages to the build |
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| 23:01.51 | scribe | kergoth: hey. Got this error: |
| 23:01.52 | scribe | checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config |
| 23:01.52 | scribe | configure: error: *** pkg-config too old; version 0.14 or better required. |
| 23:01.52 | scribe | make -C /space/home/scribe/src/buildroot-oz/build/tmp/glib-2.2.0/glib |
| 23:02.11 | kergoth | scribe: bk pull and enable pkg-config in the host build tools section under packages |
| 23:02.36 | scribe | that sounds easy, but I don't have a clue how. |
| 23:02.43 | kergoth | ll |
| 23:02.45 | kergoth | 'bk pull' |
| 23:02.48 | kergoth | .. |
| 23:02.52 | hardwire | 'bk stuffit' |
| 23:02.52 | hardwire | .. |
| 23:02.53 | kergoth | assuming you used bk to get it, not a snapshot |
| 23:02.57 | kergoth | then make menuconfig |
| 23:02.59 | kergoth | navigate to packages |
| 23:03.03 | kergoth | host build tools |
| 23:03.05 | kergoth | enable pkg-config |
| 23:03.08 | kergoth | save and exit |
| 23:03.08 | kergoth | make |
| 23:05.21 | scribe | [scribe@troyslaptop buildroot-oz]$ bk stuffit |
| 23:05.21 | scribe | stuffit: command not found |
| 23:05.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:05.31 | kergoth | ignore the smartasses :) |
| 23:05.45 | scribe | oh :) |
| 23:05.46 | scribe | sorry |
| 23:05.51 | scribe | didn't notice that wasn't you |
| 23:05.57 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:06.56 | scribe | ok, pkg-tools was already enabled in the menuconfig thing |
| 23:07.03 | scribe | so, let me get this straight |
| 23:07.13 | scribe | bk pull is like cvs update? |
| 23:07.22 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:07.26 | kergoth | bk pull; bk -r co -q; |
| 23:07.47 | scribe | ok, so you fixed pkg-config stuff recently then? |
| 23:08.10 | kergoth | yes, someone added it to the system |
| 23:08.14 | kergoth | now it builds a x86 pkg-config |
| 23:08.21 | kergoth | so we dont rely on you having a new one installed on your box |
| 23:08.25 | kergoth | which we did previously |
| 23:08.54 | scribe | ok, cool. |
| 23:08.59 | scribe | but I still get the same error |
| 23:09.07 | kergoth | .. |
| 23:09.11 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/pkg-config; |
| 23:09.14 | kergoth | then make |
| 23:09.19 | kergoth | let me know if it still happnes |
| 23:09.21 | kergoth | happens, rather |
| 23:09.42 | scribe | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `packages/pkg-config', needed by `sub_dirs'. Stop. |
| 23:09.48 | kergoth | scribe: then you didnt enable it |
| 23:09.50 | kergoth | in menuconfig |
| 23:09.57 | kergoth | er |
| 23:10.02 | kergoth | nevermind, someone forgot something |
| 23:10.04 | kergoth | hold on |
| 23:10.12 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:10.15 | kergoth | its packages/pkgconfig |
| 23:10.20 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/pkgcofnig |
| 23:10.21 | kergoth | config |
| 23:10.22 | kergoth | make |
| 23:10.26 | kergoth | god i cant type today |
| 23:10.36 | scribe | ftp'ing. |
| 23:10.37 | scribe | :) |
| 23:10.45 | scribe | cool, thanks |
| 23:11.22 | kergoth | scribe: what distro? |
| 23:11.27 | scribe | RH8 |
| 23:11.35 | kergoth | k |
| 23:12.57 | scribe | ok, 'make' is chugging along again. |
| 23:13.32 | kergoth | good good |
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| 23:28.07 | scribe | I hope I didn't mess something up. I just updated my automake and autoconf to the latest versions. |
| 23:28.16 | kergoth | should be fine |
| 23:28.24 | scribe | now the build fails (I don't know if it has anything to do with this update) |
| 23:28.26 | kergoth | the buildsystem can build autocofn and automake if the vers in your build system dont work |
| 23:28.33 | kergoth | its udner host build tools .. |
| 23:28.39 | kergoth | whats the error? |
| 23:29.10 | scribe | replace/Makefile.am:4: required file `replace/malloc.c' not found |
| 23:29.10 | scribe | make[2]: *** [/space/home/scribe/src/buildroot-oz/stamps/.ipkg.binary] Error 1 |
| 23:30.02 | kergoth | oh yeah, thats a automake version thing |
| 23:30.02 | scribe | here's a little more context: |
| 23:30.05 | kergoth | ipkg seems to require 1.4 |
| 23:30.13 | kergoth | just build automake in the buildsystem |
| 23:30.16 | kergoth | enable it in menuconfig |
| 23:30.24 | scribe | ok, going now... |
| 23:30.29 | kergoth | speaking of which, i need to ensure the deps are right if its enabled.. hmm |
| 23:30.33 | kergoth | not sure how to handle that |
| 23:30.53 | kergoth | you'll likely have to make SUBDIRS="packages/automake"; make; |
| 23:30.56 | kergoth | to make sure it builds first |
| 23:31.07 | kergoth | since i dont think the dependencies are perfect when using buildroot built host tools |
| 23:33.39 | scribe | cool, seemed to get by that problem, but.... |
| 23:33.41 | scribe | install: cannot create regular file `/space/home/scribe/src/buildroot-oz/build/ipkg/usr/sbin/ipkg-link': No such file or directory |
| 23:34.16 | kergoth | bk -r co -q |
| 23:34.22 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS="packages/ipkg" clean; make |
| 23:34.30 | kergoth | after those 3 commands, let me know if it still occurs |
| 23:34.34 | kergoth | i'm in the middle of changing a bunch of shit |
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| 23:34.42 | scribe | :) gotcha. |
| 23:34.50 | scribe | maybe I should wait a little while |
| 23:34.56 | kergoth | oz-base contained a bunch of files that belonged in other places |
| 23:35.01 | kergoth | like /etc/ipkg.conf shoudlve been in 'ipkg' |
| 23:35.02 | kergoth | etc |
| 23:35.08 | kergoth | so i'm putting them where they belong |
| 23:35.23 | kergoth | go ahead and try those 3 commands i just gav eyou |
| 23:36.11 | scribe | It's taking me to what looks like a linux make config |
| 23:36.16 | scribe | (kernel() |
| 23:36.27 | kergoth | er |
| 23:36.29 | scribe | mage format (jffs2 (Journaling Flash File System v2), cramfs file system image is not yet supported, ext2 file system image is not yet supported, gzipped tar file is not yet supported) [jffs2 (Journaling Flash File System v2)] (NEW) |
| 23:36.37 | kergoth | just hit enter through those |
| 23:36.49 | kergoth | its setting up the configuration for the image creation |
| 23:37.21 | kergoth | its a bug in that 'clean' target. when you're trying to clean a single package rather than the buildroot in its entirety,j it still descends into output/ and cleans the image areas |
| 23:37.26 | kergoth | which it shouldnt unless its a global clean |
| 23:37.28 | kergoth | its on the todo |
| 23:37.31 | kergoth | for now just enter through it |
| 23:37.34 | kergoth | brb |
| 23:37.46 | scribe | :) cool. it's churning. |
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| 23:42.11 | kergoth | I need to fix the host build tool depends |
| 23:42.15 | kergoth | its fairly complex |
| 23:42.18 | kergoth | and pretty low on the tood |
| 23:42.20 | kergoth | tood |
| 23:42.22 | kergoth | TODO |
| 23:42.25 | kergoth | long day |
| 23:42.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:42.55 | chouimat | kergoth: too much trouble so I give up trying to get that mips thingy to work |
| 23:43.07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:43.11 | kergoth | what is that device again? |
| 23:43.26 | chouimat | kergoth: casio be-300 |
| 23:43.29 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:43.50 | kergoth | chouimat: you should join #elinux as well, good technical embedded linux channel. frequented by tim, erik, russ dill, others |
| 23:43.59 | chouimat | kergoth: need to install win2k just to reset to the factory default :( |
| 23:44.03 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:44.06 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 23:44.49 | chouimat | yup so I return it tomorrow so no port on the vr4131 from me :) |
| 23:45.06 | raster | I hate it when youre left with 2 non optimal decisions to make |
| 23:45.12 | raster | and you canyt make you your mind |
| 23:45.13 | raster | grrr |
| 23:45.29 | chouimat | raster: go take a beer :) |
| 23:45.37 | raster | do i retain api compat, but disallow mix & match between local and remote |
| 23:46.11 | raster | or do i make peol change their api calls by prepending a new domain, but now api comapt isnt there, but they can mix & match |
| 23:46.31 | raster | or 3rd. do i break the nice clean design fo keeping event loop etc. handlign external and have 5to merge all of that into one big mega-lib |
| 23:46.35 | raster | which is just plain nasty |
| 23:46.44 | raster | hmmmm |
| 23:46.59 | kergoth | this is evas? i'd break api compat if need be and do it right |
| 23:47.09 | kergoth | its not released, is it? :) |
| 23:47.10 | raster | hmm |
| 23:47.13 | raster | but is that right? |
| 23:47.19 | raster | this wont berak evas' api |
| 23:47.26 | raster | thsi is for a network accessible canvas |
| 23:47.29 | raster | ie multilpe canavs clients |
| 23:47.31 | raster | canavs server |
| 23:47.37 | kergoth | ahh gotcha |
| 23:47.52 | raster | i wont berak the api except beyodn what coudl be done with sed |
| 23:47.56 | raster | but i dont liek the idea |
| 23:48.06 | raster | i'd liek to have programs be able to run with evas as alinb |
| 23:48.09 | raster | or connect to a server |
| 23:48.15 | raster | maybe with a recompile |
| 23:48.16 | raster | hmmm |
| 23:48.27 | kergoth | ohh okay |
| 23:48.30 | kergoth | makes alot more sense now |
| 23:48.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:48.43 | raster | i'd normally put thsi directly into evas |
| 23:48.46 | kergoth | given two equally bad options.. flip a coin? ;) |
| 23:48.50 | raster | but evas has no socket/fd handling at all in it |
| 23:49.03 | raster | but i have all that handling alerayd cleanly in ecore |
| 23:49.07 | raster | buits separate |
| 23:49.12 | raster | so do i make evas depend on ecore? |
| 23:49.22 | raster | but ecore has moduels that depend on evas rightnow |
| 23:49.30 | raster | that wrap it as a convenience lib |
| 23:49.33 | raster | hmmmm |
| 23:49.39 | raster | its all just too hard |
| 23:51.05 | raster | now i can make the canavs server external easily. |
| 23:51.15 | raster | it can sue evas as a lib |
| 23:51.18 | raster | and ecore to do the ipc |
| 23:51.25 | raster | BUT |
| 23:51.29 | raster | now how do you connect |
| 23:51.33 | raster | i'll need an api to do that |
| 23:51.40 | raster | and i want the same api as evas currently does |
| 23:51.42 | raster | ythis means new lib |
| 23:51.48 | kergoth | hunger: dare i ask? |
| 23:51.49 | raster | thats just a state/protocol wrapper |
| 23:51.50 | raster | BUT |
| 23:52.08 | raster | then if its the same api, same symbols, i cant have both libs linked to the same app |
| 23:52.10 | raster | grrr |
| 23:52.22 | hunger | kergoth: Managed to finish my studies yesterday. |
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| 23:52.38 | hunger | kergoth: ... and I forgot that nick-changes are visible on all channels;-) |
| 23:52.41 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:52.44 | kergoth | hunger: ah, hehe |
| 23:52.51 | kergoth | hunger: how you been? |
| 23:53.12 | hunger | kergoth: BAAAADDDDD:... |
| 23:53.20 | kergoth | hunger: ? |
| 23:53.34 | hunger | kergoth: Till I finally got past that last exam of mine:-) |
| 23:53.38 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
| 23:54.00 | hunger | kergoth: Afterwards I was fine again:-) |
| 23:54.28 | kergoth | hunger: hah |
| 23:54.44 | kergoth | hunger: cool |
| 23:54.44 | kergoth | yo chouimat |
| 23:55.02 | chouimat | ibot seen prpplague |
| 23:55.12 | | prpplague <~JoeBob1@12.148.134.9> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 1d 6h 59m 49s ago, saying: 'florian: some basic info is available at http://hackkit.eletztrick.de/'. |
| 23:56.49 | chouimat | kergoth: I will return the casio tomorrow and will probably take an hackkit instead :) |
| 23:57.35 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe |
