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| 01:51.28 | ryan_ | has anyone else noticed different battery life after switching to OZ? It seems like I am getting much better life on mine but not going to flash the shape file to find out. |
| 01:51.42 | ryan_ | shape=sharp |
| 02:23.12 | TheMasterMind1 | ryan_: i've heard that the sharp rom refreshes the screen a lot more because of the older qte or something and thus uses more battery |
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| 02:57.04 | ryan_ | maybe thats it i might reflash the sharp rom and time it |
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| 03:37.15 | fishy | ibot seen fishy |
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| 03:37.32 | fishy | thats cool |
| 03:39.41 | ljp | you dont know about ibot, ulyx or sugar? |
| 03:40.04 | ljp | and picobot |
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| 04:14.16 | mashi | i need help compiling OZ.. it stop in oz-base |
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| 16:05.52 | fierman | how easy/hard is it to write a driver for unsupported wlan card? |
| 16:07.01 | fierman | nvrmnd. |
| 16:07.11 | fierman | found a solution already |
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| 16:52.11 | chouimat | morning |
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| 19:19.43 | TimRiker | kergoth: a real "test" would be a cvs commit. ;-) |
| 19:21.04 | kergoth | TimRiker: yes yes i know :) hehe. just making sure the list was still sane, i'm adding notification from our bitkeeper repo :) |
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| 21:29.18 | james__ | mdz: Hello there. I just put your Debian initrd on my ZAurus yesterday evening and I have a couple of questions that are probably quite simple. |
| 21:38.54 | james__ | mdz: My main problem is mounting /usr at boot time. I am using a CF card for this and so I modified your /dev/mmcda1 entry to /dev/hda1 and set the auto flag but the mount fails. |
| 21:41.45 | kergoth | 'the mount fails'? how so |
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| 21:42.16 | sambatron | hello... I'm having some troubles with a package called libopie11 |
| 21:42.19 | kergoth | james__: thing is, the card wont be able to be mounted until pcmcia-cs has been started. |
| 21:42.22 | kergoth | sambatron: -force-depends |
| 21:42.29 | kergoth | sambatron: it was a typo |
| 21:42.48 | james__ | mdz: The other thing is apt-get faile when trying to mmap 6291457 bytes when I have 18788K available |
| 21:43.01 | sambatron | but opie doesn't start after the upgrade :/ |
| 21:43.09 | sambatron | kergoth : no error message on console |
| 21:43.28 | kergoth | sambatron: you need to upgrade _everything_ |
| 21:43.32 | kergoth | sambatron: if you upgrade anything |
| 21:43.43 | sambatron | kergoth : anyway I'll try reinstalling everything... yes |
| 21:43.48 | kergoth | sambatron: ipkg upgrade |
| 21:43.58 | kergoth | sambatron: ipkg install opie-taskbar opie-common libqpe1 libopie1 |
| 21:44.35 | sambatron | kergoth : I'll try that out |
| 21:45.12 | james__ | kergoth : After I log in I can mount it fine so pcmcia_cs must start. How do I start it early enough? |
| 21:46.01 | kergoth | james__: find /etc -name S\*pcmcia |
| 21:46.03 | kergoth | james__: heh |
| 21:49.32 | sambatron | kergoth : I did it... but now opie does not start |
| 21:49.42 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:49.46 | sambatron | kergoth : are there some debuging messages ? |
| 21:49.47 | kergoth | /etc/init.d/syslog start |
| 21:49.53 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.55 | kergoth | logread |
| 21:50.09 | james__ | kergoth : In all of the relevant runlevels pcmcia starts after hotplug and ppp, at the same time as apmd, inetd, makedev, ssh, xtsd and before rmnlogin |
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| 21:50.26 | kergoth | james__: right, and mountall runs in rcS, prior to any runlevel |
| 21:50.30 | kergoth | james__: hence your problem |
| 21:50.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:50.57 | james__ | kergoth : is that what rcS is. I see. |
| 21:50.58 | sambatron | Feb 24 21:49:30 zaurus user.notice root: Cannot find font definition file /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/fonts/fontdir - is $QTDIR set correctly? |
| 21:51.12 | kergoth | sambatron: ipkg install libqt2-emb-fonts |
| 21:51.33 | james__ | kergoth : Would I have the same probelm with an MMC card? |
| 21:51.53 | sambatron | kergoth : is that filed ? |
| 21:52.04 | kergoth | james__: not if you load the sd module in the modules script |
| 21:52.08 | kergoth | sambatron: is what filed? |
| 21:52.16 | kergoth | sambatron: this shit has been fixed for ages, just unstable hasnt been updated in months |
| 21:52.33 | sambatron | kergoth : I'm using testing |
| 21:52.48 | kergoth | sambatron: nothing is fixed in testing until the next rc release. |
| 21:52.50 | sambatron | kergoth : I mean the dependency problem |
| 21:52.53 | kergoth | sambatron: unstable is where development happens |
| 21:52.56 | kergoth | sambatron: i know. and its fixed. |
| 21:52.58 | kergoth | sambatron: like i said |
| 21:53.05 | kergoth | sambatron: bug reports against old opie versions dont help |
| 21:53.12 | sambatron | kergoth : oh thanks |
| 21:53.50 | james__ | kergoth : but the CF is some sort of pcmcia device so it needs more work. I knew I should have bought that slichtly more expensive mmc instead :) |
| 21:54.35 | kergoth | james__: heh. pcmcia is a mess |
| 21:54.56 | kergoth | james__: problem with firing up pcmcia in rcS.. you may have pcmcia-cs files _in_ /usr |
| 21:55.11 | kergoth | james__: you need cardmgr daemon and stuff.. if thats in /usr, but you try to put /usr on your card, catch 22 |
| 21:55.14 | kergoth | james__: :) |
| 21:57.12 | james__ | kergoth : Well when the boot has finished I log in and mount it then start the services in rc5 manually and everything seems fine and so that stuff is possibly elsewhere. |
| 21:57.29 | kergoth | k, if thats fine, try spawning off pcmcia-cs earlier |
| 21:57.46 | james__ | kergoth : I just checked, those things are in /sbin/ |
| 21:59.27 | sambatron | kergoth : can I change the kernel without changing the rest ? |
| 22:00.25 | kergoth | sambatron: yes, you can flash zImage and initrd.bin seperately |
| 22:01.32 | sambatron | But if I flash... I push reset... the I'll lose memory contents, right ? |
| 22:01.40 | kergoth | right, /mnt/ram will get wiped |
| 22:01.44 | kergoth | flash will be fine |
| 22:02.02 | sambatron | I don't want to lose my ram... :/ is there any way ? |
| 22:02.14 | kergoth | back it up |
| 22:02.15 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:02.22 | kergoth | tar -czvf /mnt/card/myram.tar.gz /mnt/ram |
| 22:02.30 | sambatron | :) great... thanks |
| 22:02.37 | kergoth | np |
| 22:11.49 | james__ | kergoth : this seems to be unrelated but when I try to edit fstab in vi it says q! |
| 22:12.03 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:12.14 | kergoth | sounds like you tried to :q! but were in insert mode at the time :) |
| 22:12.40 | james__ | kergoth : (oops, wrong terminal) '"/etc/fstab" is busy [More...]' |
| 22:13.11 | kergoth | fuser /etc/fstab |
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| 22:13.46 | james__ | kergoth : no output and no change when opening |
| 22:14.00 | kergoth | dunno then |
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| 22:14.15 | mdz | james__: pcmcia services must be running in order for CF stuff to work |
| 22:14.33 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:14.36 | mdz | james__: as for apt, it sounds like it's simply running out of memory |
| 22:17.01 | james__ | mdz: Hi. kergoth is helping me with my pcmcia problem but it would be nice to get apt to work. What would be the chances of using all or most of the 64MB for memory and having the file systems on removable media. |
| 22:18.52 | mdz | james__: that image imposes no restrictions, you can use whatever arrangement you like for memory, up to and including using all 64 as RAM |
| 22:19.00 | mdz | james__: it all fits in flash |
| 22:19.13 | kergoth | mdz: how are you handling mtdram in your debian image? |
| 22:19.55 | mdz | kergoth: it doesn't touch it |
| 22:20.27 | kergoth | gotcha. so the user wipes it and adds to fstab if thats what they want. coo |
| 22:20.39 | mdz | bbl |
| 22:21.29 | james__ | mdz: cool and so it has 40MB at the moment? |
| 22:28.22 | james__ | kergoth : pcmcia is now S34 in rcS.d and mountall.sh is S35 but I get 'no such device' for /dev/hda1 |
| 22:28.39 | kergoth | james__: timing |
| 22:28.53 | kergoth | james__: it takes a bit for cardmgr to be fired and to pick up an insert event and mount the card |
| 22:29.01 | kergoth | so it could be related to timing.. not ready at the time mountall is run |
| 22:30.01 | james__ | kergoth : would you also care to speculate how long I need to wait and whether it is really stupid to put a sleep in the script there? |
| 22:41.08 | james__ | kergoth : Well a to second sleep seemed to do the trick :) |
| 22:55.12 | kergoth | hehe, cool |
| 22:55.19 | kergoth | yeah, with timing issues like that its hard to say |
| 23:05.43 | james__ | Which boot loader is used for the Zaurus and how does one configure it? |
| 23:05.50 | kergoth | angel, and you dont. |
| 23:06.31 | james__ | where does 'Kernel command line: root=/dev/mtdblock4 mem=40M console=null' come from, then? |
| 23:06.55 | kergoth | james__: compiled in. |
| 23:08.40 | ccamp | good day kergoth |
| 23:08.56 | kergoth | hey ccamp |
| 23:11.20 | james__ | On the OZ website you say you are using the Sharp kernel, how do you change the memory/storage combinations in these circumstances? |
| 23:11.34 | ccamp | man ever since I reflashed my Z, i have been having a heck of a time gettin opieplayer2 / xine / xmms to work |
| 23:11.38 | james__ | If the amount of memory is compiled in |
| 23:11.43 | kergoth | james__: ? we're using hte sharp kernel _sources_ as a base |
| 23:11.49 | kergoth | james__: we build everything from source. |
| 23:12.06 | kergoth | james__: with the exception of the sd module and daemon which are binary only |
| 23:12.50 | ccamp | kergoth are you an admin in real life? |
| 23:13.09 | kergoth | ccamp: I do some administration consulting, but I'm stuck in a tech support position atm. |
| 23:13.30 | ccamp | you talk like an admin is all :P |
| 23:13.33 | kergoth | you'd think someone who maintains a distro could get a job in linux admin.. but the job market sucks |
| 23:13.37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:13.38 | ccamp | we can smell our own |
| 23:13.46 | ccamp | hell yea it does |
| 23:13.48 | kergoth | yeah, i'm the resident BoFH according to chouimat |
| 23:14.12 | ccamp | im mostly a solaris admin, and want to move over to a more linux oriented shop, but the market sucks |
| 23:15.29 | ccamp | you must have good CE technology background to work on the Z... dont you? |
| 23:16.00 | ccamp | s/have/have a |
| 23:16.23 | kergoth | Never owned a PDA before the Z :) |
| 23:16.35 | ccamp | wow.. cool. |
| 23:17.57 | ccamp | do you have developers who strictly take open source code, and port it to the Z? |
| 23:18.10 | ccamp | or are you more concerned wiht the distro itself |
| 23:18.15 | ccamp | and not the apps |
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| 23:19.55 | sambatron | hello... my wireless card doesn't get loaded. I get this message: |
| 23:20.00 | sambatron | Jan 1 05:14:19 zaurus daemon.info cardmgr[368]: unsupported card in socket 0 |
| 23:20.00 | sambatron | Jan 1 05:14:19 zaurus daemon.info cardmgr[368]: product info: "PCMCIA", "11M WLAN Card v2.5", "ISL37300P", "RevA" |
| 23:20.00 | sambatron | Jan 1 05:14:19 zaurus daemon.info cardmgr[368]: manfid: 0x0274, 0x1612 function: 6 (network) |
| 23:20.00 | sambatron | Jan 1 05:14:20 zaurus user.notice root: Loading of image 'cardmon/Socket 1: empty' is not ideal (either it doesn't exist or an extension was specified) |
| 23:20.01 | sambatron | Jan 1 05:14:20 zaurus user.notice root: QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image |
| 23:20.06 | sambatron | ... |
| 23:20.47 | sambatron | It was working before I made the upgrade to 3.1rc2 |
| 23:21.01 | ccamp | you spent 5 hours workin on a new flash and havent set the clock yet :P |
| 23:21.20 | ccamp | oh, and try getting the hostap modules |
| 23:21.23 | ccamp | or whatever |
| 23:21.33 | kergoth | ccamp: well, for commandline apps its simply a matter of crosscompiling, no port necessary |
| 23:21.52 | kergoth | ccamp: OZ is primarily distro issues. though i occasionally patch and/or contribute to the various apps and projects that it consists of |
| 23:22.22 | sambatron | ccamp : hostap ? (the 5 five hours are because of the timezone) |
| 23:23.06 | kergoth | sambatron: what card is this? |
| 23:24.47 | sambatron | kergoth : honestly I don't remember how it got discovered before. It has a prims chipset |
| 23:24.51 | sambatron | prism |
| 23:25.11 | sambatron | kergoth : but was working fine... I'm upgrading the kernel right now |
| 23:25.20 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:25.24 | kergoth | 'was' when? |
| 23:26.25 | james__ | kergoth: Thanks very much for your help. |
| 23:26.27 | sambatron | kergoth : before ipkg upgrade |
| 23:26.31 | kergoth | james__: no problem |
| 23:26.35 | kergoth | sambatron: ipkg install hostap-modules |
| 23:27.07 | ccamp | :) |
| 23:27.29 | ccamp | kergoth taught me that one when my WCF11 didnt work |
| 23:27.36 | ccamp | that and now the FAQ states it |
| 23:27.50 | kergoth | yeah, 3.1 will smooth out that upgrade b0rk |
| 23:27.55 | kergoth | its a pain to keep the upgrade paths smooth |
| 23:28.23 | ccamp | I'm sitll determined to get the usb -> usb motorola t720 thing working |
| 23:28.34 | sambatron | ooops, sorry |
| 23:28.42 | ccamp | i soldered my usb -> usb adpter I made yesterday |
| 23:28.43 | sambatron | I'll try again with that |
| 23:28.52 | kergoth | heh, our faq is getting pretty comprehensive now |
| 23:29.08 | ccamp | yes, and I thank you for that |
| 23:29.26 | kergoth | we need to get robert p.d. jay or whatever's page on the oz homepage |
| 23:29.52 | ccamp | is it true that the usb on the Z will not work as a host? |
| 23:29.58 | ccamp | kergoth who is that |
| 23:29.59 | kergoth | yep, its a device controller |
| 23:30.08 | kergoth | ccamp: OZ user who did a oz howto/doc page |
| 23:30.17 | ccamp | url> |
| 23:30.18 | ccamp | ? |
| 23:30.38 | kergoth | umm, check the openzaurus-users archives |
| 23:30.40 | kergoth | i dont have it handy |
| 23:30.43 | ccamp | k |
| 23:30.45 | kergoth | just cleaned out that mailbox |
| 23:31.02 | ccamp | guess i shold join tha tlist..huh? |
| 23:31.04 | ccamp | heh |
| 23:31.14 | kergoth | that always helps |
| 23:31.23 | kergoth | its the main support forum for OZ users |
| 23:31.35 | kergoth | we should find a good web->mailing list forum/gateway for those who prefer that |
| 23:31.48 | ccamp | yeah, I've only had the Z 2 or so weeks now, and my job haskept me away from it... |
| 23:32.18 | ccamp | yeah.... hrm... |
| 23:32.21 | *** join/#openzaurus larios (~larios@217.172.69.2) |
| 23:32.29 | ccamp | have you looked at mojo mail? |
| 23:32.32 | ccamp | it rools. |
| 23:33.00 | kergoth | nah, havent. myself, I much prefer mailing lists to forums, and despise forum interfaces.. but lots of people like em :) |
| 23:33.31 | ccamp | oh, a forum type thing.. you mean..liek auto import the mailing list into a forum? |
| 23:33.46 | bisho | phorums are sooo slow to check new messages and so on... |
| 23:33.47 | kergoth | yeah, for people that like those interfaces |
| 23:33.52 | kergoth | true |
| 23:33.53 | bisho | only are good for casual checks |
| 23:34.02 | ccamp | nice .. are there things out there that do that |
| 23:34.02 | bisho | :) |
| 23:39.21 | *** join/#openzaurus effy-kun (~none@216.251.50.73) |
| 23:50.07 | ccamp | kergoth: http://www.linux-migration.org/ch05.html |
| 23:50.49 | kergoth | ccamp: ah yeah, thatd be the one |
| 23:51.27 | effy-kun | where are there pics of the 5600? |
| 23:52.16 | ccamp | sharp's site? |
| 23:52.29 | ccamp | and i thought it looked very similar, jsut better hardware wise? |
| 23:52.32 | effy-kun | ;) |