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| 02:21.24 | sheenmaster | http://opie.info/~opielook/ |
| 02:21.26 | sheenmaster | yay! |
| 02:37.20 | |vax| | any more new links for oz stuff? |
| 02:37.35 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:37.38 | kergoth | like what? |
| 02:37.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:37.48 | kergoth | openzaurus.org, openembedded.org, opie.handhelds.org, opie.info |
| 02:37.49 | |vax| | i want to know how to rip the hancom office and jeode out of my original sharp rom, and then put it in a custom oz rom image |
| 02:37.56 | kergoth | um |
| 02:37.57 | |vax| | so that way i would have the ideal setup |
| 02:37.58 | kergoth | there are ipks for that. |
| 02:38.03 | kergoth | ibot: zsi jeodcreator |
| 02:38.07 | kergoth | ibot: zsi hancomcreator |
| 02:38.20 | kergoth | stupid bot |
| 02:38.22 | kergoth | its all on zsi |
| 02:38.26 | kergoth | killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 02:38.27 | |vax| | hehe |
| 02:38.30 | |vax| | ight |
| 02:38.40 | |vax| | man. the original caurus rom is wack |
| 02:38.45 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:38.47 | |vax| | like symlinked to shite |
| 02:38.50 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:38.53 | kergoth | thats why OZ exists |
| 02:39.00 | |vax| | i couldnt belive it untill i started hackin around in it |
| 02:39.00 | |vax| | lol |
| 02:39.11 | kergoth | I wouldnt have bothered, I'd rather have worked with Sharp to improve the existing ROM |
| 02:39.31 | kergoth | but 1) sharp wasnt exactly good at accepting improvements and folding them in |
| 02:39.39 | |vax| | yea |
| 02:39.46 | kergoth | and 2) embedix was shitty enough itw as hardly worth bothering with as a base |
| 02:40.00 | |vax| | not to mention the lack of open source is plain annoying for en masse bug hunting |
| 02:40.10 | kergoth | the base system is open. |
| 02:40.15 | |vax| | thats it |
| 02:40.20 | |vax| | not the other software |
| 02:40.22 | kergoth | but they never released their qtopia changes, because legally they dont have to. |
| 02:40.36 | |vax| | makes it alot less viable to want to hack it as it is i mean |
| 02:40.43 | kergoth | heh, dood |
| 02:40.47 | kergoth | you're preaching to the choir here |
| 02:40.53 | |vax| | oz owns it anyway |
| 02:40.54 | |vax| | lol |
| 02:41.02 | kergoth | :P |
| 02:41.25 | |vax| | i mean in terms of just about everything minus jeode but if jeode is installable on opie then theres no reason to stay with sharp |
| 02:41.36 | kergoth | jeode works fine |
| 02:41.41 | kergoth | and an open source alternative to it is coming |
| 02:41.54 | |vax| | yea but i doubt size wise it will be similar |
| 02:42.06 | |vax| | seems like most alternatives are alot more memory consuming |
| 02:42.07 | kergoth | huh? |
| 02:42.10 | kergoth | uh, no. |
| 02:42.29 | |vax| | well its hard to stay up with all the latest |
| 02:42.37 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:42.42 | |vax| | so something more suitable might have come around since i looked last |
| 02:43.02 | kergoth | as i said, its still in development |
| 02:43.14 | kergoth | its the wonka JVM. works well, but its qt/e bindings are still being written |
| 02:43.22 | |vax| | yea |
| 02:43.33 | |vax| | qpe is a weird system in my opinion |
| 02:43.44 | |vax| | ok not weird, just a bit different to get used to |
| 02:43.59 | kergoth | different than what? |
| 02:43.59 | |vax| | i like its approach, but its lack of flexability makes opie alot more appealing to me. |
| 02:44.17 | kergoth | eh, you do realize opie was based on qpe/qtopia's code, right? |
| 02:44.23 | kergoth | saying one is weird pretty well applies to both. |
| 02:44.23 | |vax| | yea |
| 02:44.30 | |vax| | they both are |
| 02:44.33 | |vax| | conceptually that is |
| 02:44.36 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:45.23 | |vax| | i mean seems that they circumvent the use of X nearly entirely (unless you use the x+icewm+keypebble approach that means you cant use the large base of X apps available) |
| 02:45.37 | |vax| | which kind of sucks |
| 02:46.01 | kergoth | they remove X for a reason |
| 02:46.02 | kergoth | bloat |
| 02:46.08 | kergoth | but opie can run on qt/X11, you know. |
| 02:47.10 | |vax| | seeing as like picogui doesnt have the same problem.. although it seems that the trade off of not having X is actually probly a stability boost for the relativly low speed handheld.. (not low speed, but in comparison to the hardware X and its wm's is developed on iam sure its slow) |
| 02:47.12 | |vax| | erm are |
| 02:47.39 | kergoth | picogui did have the same problem. only recently was its rootless X mode developed |
| 02:48.22 | |vax| | so is opie working twords some kind of a assimilation of tinyx and a qt based wm? seems that would work well while remaining backwards compatible with qpe apps |
| 02:48.28 | kergoth | eh |
| 02:48.35 | kergoth | i already told you |
| 02:48.40 | |vax| | nah |
| 02:48.40 | kergoth | opie can build against qt/X11 right now. |
| 02:48.42 | |vax| | you said it can |
| 02:48.59 | |vax| | didnt say that was the direction of development |
| 02:49.09 | kergoth | I cant speak for every devel in the project. |
| 02:49.14 | |vax| | theres a big difference between we can do something and we are doing something |
| 02:49.14 | kergoth | the focus is on the applications. |
| 02:49.19 | |vax| | yea |
| 02:49.21 | kergoth | you fix the app, its fixed for both |
| 02:49.28 | kergoth | there is no 'direction' about the base library |
| 02:49.33 | kergoth | once its supported, nothing else is necessary |
| 02:49.42 | |vax| | nah iam more saying like developer consenus |
| 02:49.44 | kergoth | its the applications and opie library that need work |
| 02:49.51 | |vax| | yea |
| 02:49.54 | kergoth | what about this do you not understand? |
| 02:50.00 | kergoth | what base lib it builds on is irrelevent. |
| 02:50.06 | kergoth | and does not guide developer effort |
| 02:50.16 | kergoth | opie's apps use libqpe. libqpe supports either qt/e or qt/x11 |
| 02:50.23 | |vax| | right. |
| 02:52.40 | |vax| | what iam saying is more along the lines of do you see any kind of x11(x86) to qt/x11(arm) porting software coming around anytime soon. i dont know the extent of work it would take to do that but i would imagine quite a bit, but it would improve the speed in which apps were ported. although i would think it would have its shortcomings as well as everything |
| 02:52.58 | kergoth | what? |
| 02:53.01 | |vax| | nm |
| 02:53.03 | kergoth | uh |
| 02:53.03 | |vax| | lol. |
| 02:53.07 | kergoth | any app written for qt/x11 for x86 |
| 02:53.22 | kergoth | works just fine in qt/x11 for arm, minus the size of the screen adn shit |
| 02:53.24 | |vax| | works on arm with minimal porting effort |
| 02:53.33 | kergoth | and any app wirtten for opie's libqpe, will work in either FB or X |
| 02:53.45 | kergoth | minimal porting effort my ass. |
| 02:53.49 | kergoth | its a fucking crosscompile. |
| 02:53.50 | kergoth | thats it. |
| 02:53.52 | |vax| | the screen is more what i was refering to, although thats the part that cant be automated really anyway. i mean the rearranging of stuff |
| 02:54.00 | kergoth | yes |
| 02:54.09 | kergoth | my point is |
| 02:54.16 | kergoth | whether opie uses qt/fb or qt/x11 is fucking irrelevent |
| 02:54.17 | |vax| | what i want is a left handed hack for opie |
| 02:54.23 | kergoth | if you write an opie app, it'll work in either. |
| 02:54.43 | |vax| | like to make the X's in the right on the left and the same with the scroll bars |
| 02:54.49 | kergoth | yes, people have requested that |
| 02:54.52 | kergoth | go open a bug report |
| 02:54.56 | kergoth | if you dont open bugs, shit wont happen |
| 02:55.04 | kergoth | spouting shit on irc != official channels |
| 02:55.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:55.23 | |vax| | i dunno, it would be nice to have some kind of a system hack manager (em remotly like hackmaster in palm) or an applet perhaps that does that? |
| 02:55.33 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:55.54 | kergoth | just need opie's library to support changing scrollbar side, then a new option in launcher settings or something |
| 02:55.57 | kergoth | simple enough |
| 02:56.17 | |vax| | changes the locations of the x button and scroll bar in relation to your left/right preference i mean |
| 02:56.23 | kergoth | .. |
| 02:56.30 | kergoth | yes, no shit. |
| 02:56.32 | |vax| | yea simple enough |
| 02:56.35 | kergoth | i understood what you were saying as soon as you said it |
| 02:56.37 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:56.40 | |vax| | lol |
| 02:56.41 | |vax| | yea yea |
| 02:56.50 | kergoth | like i said, its been asked for before |
| 02:56.52 | |vax| | well iam not exactly a qt guru by any means |
| 02:57.03 | kergoth | nor am i |
| 02:57.07 | |vax| | but i have to start somewhere and it effects me the most when i use my zaurus |
| 02:57.09 | kergoth | I'm no GUI programmer |
| 02:57.15 | kergoth | I do backends, kernel coding, scripting |
| 02:57.24 | kergoth | just occasionally patch opie sources |
| 02:58.04 | |vax| | i just honestly dont know where to start on a project like that, i mean iam pretty sure it could be hacked together using mostly scripting and minimal interface design work, just dont have a sorce to goto that isnt shiteloads of reading unnessisary information to find what i need |
| 02:58.05 | |vax| | lol |
| 02:58.19 | |vax| | erm source |
| 02:59.07 | |vax| | as in like qt primers or overviews to atleast understand how the system works on a more complex scale than the obvious. |
| 02:59.15 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:59.20 | kergoth | doc.trolltech.com |
| 02:59.23 | kergoth | have fun |
| 02:59.59 | |vax| | been there. |
| 03:00.01 | |vax| | lol |
| 03:00.08 | |vax| | fun. doubtful. lol |
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| 16:08.54 | schmorp | kergoth`zzz: ping!!!!! |
| 16:09.09 | Harlekin | anybody awake with a c700 |
| 16:10.39 | Harlekin | hallo |
| 16:10.41 | Harlekin | anybody here |
| 16:29.31 | chouimat | hi hardwire |
| 16:29.33 | bipolar | Harlekin: Hiya |
| 16:29.33 | chouimat | hi Harlekin |
| 16:29.38 | bipolar | hi chouimat |
| 16:29.43 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 16:29.46 | Harlekin | have to go again |
| 16:29.48 | chouimat | hi bipole |
| 16:30.08 | chouimat | mornining |
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| 16:46.32 | jekk | is there anyone that know ppc motorola mpc850 sar here ? |
| 16:47.15 | chouimat | jekk: try #elinux |
| 16:47.20 | jekk | ok |
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| 19:34.12 | teeest | hi! |
| 19:36.32 | ljp_w | hi |
| 19:44.59 | teeest | chatting w Z ... *g* |
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| 20:20.00 | TheMasterMind1 | yay! |
| 20:20.01 | TheMasterMind1 | i fixed it |
| 20:20.02 | TheMasterMind1 | w00t |
| 20:32.39 | ljp_work | you fixer-upper, you |
| 20:33.38 | TheMasterMind1 | are you mocking me? |
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| 20:40.41 | ljp_work | no, stating a fact |
| 20:43.34 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, all pushed |
| 20:43.40 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg cvs is now updated |
| 20:43.52 | bbeattie | For all those who are working on the OZ 3.1, very nice job with the latest 3.1-rc3.1 .. Many, many, wonderful bugfixes and improvements. |
| 20:44.32 | TheMasterMind1 | :D |
| 20:44.48 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: are you working on mplayer? I noticed libxine in the latest testing feed now, are people using xine now instead of mplayer? |
| 20:44.51 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm on another ipkg bugfixing spree.. any major bugs anyone want fixed? |
| 20:45.04 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: haven't done anything with it in a while. libxine is used by op2 |
| 20:45.33 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: how's the performance difference between xine and mplayer for movies/audio? |
| 20:45.50 | TheMasterMind1 | no clue |
| 20:46.47 | ljp_work | xine still uses too much memory |
| 20:46.54 | bbeattie | .. only bugs I've noticed in 2 days, are fortunes doesn't come up in today; and konqueror won't install, either version, due to permission or runtime errors of some sort. |
| 20:47.04 | kergoth | bbeattie: remove ,user from the /var mount in fstab |
| 20:47.08 | kergoth | bbeattie: (for the latter bug) |
| 20:48.45 | bbeattie | oh, and one other bug, reboot via shutdown doesn't work. ;) |
| 20:49.36 | kergoth | fixed in opie cvs |
| 20:49.44 | kergoth | you can work around it by adding /sbin back to PATH in /etc/profile |
| 20:50.10 | bbeattie | kergoth: thanks, I should read up on the latest cvs notes first I guess. :) |
| 21:18.59 | kergoth | we dont use cvs for our buildsystem.. its in a bk repos |
| 21:24.25 | bisho_ | The calendar does not shot multi-day appointments correctly... |
| 21:24.34 | bisho_ | Is reported? |
| 21:26.15 | kergoth | ibot: opie bugs |
| 21:26.16 | | i guess opie bugs is http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 21:26.18 | kergoth | bisho_: go look |
| 21:26.28 | bisho_ | Ok... |
| 21:26.41 | bisho_ | It was just in case you already know about it... |
| 21:29.12 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: we gonna release rc3.2 ? |
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