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| 03:24.28 | greear | I'm looking at the faq for how to build the image...at step 4 is says: cp def-configs/openzaurus .config |
| 03:24.38 | greear | but, that file does not exist.... |
| 03:24.45 | kergoth | cp def-configs/collie-opie .config |
| 03:24.49 | kergoth | faq is outdated, need to update |
| 03:24.51 | kergoth | ibot: oz buildroot |
| 03:24.56 | | rumour has it, oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 03:24.56 | kergoth | greear: follow that |
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| 03:36.28 | greear | which makefile has the info on the various packages should be downloaded from (and saved to)? For instance, I would like to use kernel 2.4.19 (or 20, if that's an option) |
| 03:36.48 | TheMasterMind1 | make menuconfig |
| 03:36.50 | kergoth | make menuconfig |
| 03:37.22 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new kergoth |
| 03:37.45 | kergoth | nothing much, opie's launcher likes segfaulting on my c700 |
| 03:37.46 | kergoth | annoying |
| 03:37.49 | kergoth | taking it easy atm |
| 03:37.50 | kergoth | you? |
| 03:39.13 | TheMasterMind1 | going ok |
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| 03:44.15 | Speedy2 | Hello. |
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| 03:49.15 | greear | any opinion on whether dhclient is better than dhcpcd? |
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| 05:20.01 | greear | while compiling the kernel in the make process, I get these errors: |
| 05:20.03 | greear | drivers/char/char.o: In function `kbd_init': |
| 05:20.04 | greear | drivers/char/char.o(.text.init+0xfd8): undefined reference to `machine_is_adsagc' |
| 05:20.04 | greear | drivers/char/char.o(.text.init+0xfe4): undefined reference to `sa1111_kbd_init_hw' |
| 05:20.04 | greear | drivers/char/char.o(.text.init+0xfe8): undefined reference to `machine_is_adsbitsyplus' |
| 05:20.04 | greear | drivers/char/char.o(.text.init+0xff4): undefined reference to `smartio_kbd_init_hw' |
| 05:20.04 | greear | make[2]: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 |
| 05:20.09 | greear | this is the 2.4.19 kernel, btw. |
| 05:20.48 | greear | ls |
| 05:20.51 | greear | doh |
| 05:25.52 | greear | I grepp'd all .c and .h files in the bk kernel dir, and though I see machine_is_adsagc used, I do NOT see it defined or implemented anywhere. |
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| 06:02.12 | Mantus | anyone use opie-theme? |
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| 07:34.29 | bronson | I finally got networking working under OZ. |
| 07:34.31 | bronson | Yessss... |
| 07:36.56 | bronson | Is there any equivalent to "apt-cache search"? |
| 07:37.19 | bronson | ipkg is complaining: "getcwd(): No such file or directory" |
| 07:37.25 | bronson | Am I missing a package? |
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| 07:41.25 | Rince | good morning |
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| 09:50.11 | kolla | so does the 3.2 netconfig support dialup? :) |
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| 15:42.27 | walid | what is the min. CF size required for future OZ flashing, and does anyone know if 32MB CF card should be enough for the arm-debain for the zaurus? |
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| 17:42.42 | chouimat | hi |
| 17:43.42 | darkenigma | howdy |
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| 19:07.18 | dmueller | kergoth? |
| 19:08.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:08.02 | kergoth | hey |
| 19:08.06 | dmueller | dude |
| 19:08.09 | dmueller | now i have 1 q: |
| 19:08.12 | kergoth | k |
| 19:08.13 | dmueller | where's the color. :) |
| 19:08.40 | dmueller | cuz irssi is so beautiful with ansi. |
| 19:08.40 | dmueller | :) |
| 19:09.00 | dmueller | btw - i have not typed more than 9 lines too |
| 19:09.20 | dmueller | its suprisingly fast too. |
| 19:15.47 | kergoth | er, theres no color? |
| 19:15.51 | dmueller | hmm |
| 19:15.52 | dmueller | no. |
| 19:15.58 | kergoth | there is color in my irssi on my c700, but never tried it on my 5500 |
| 19:16.03 | dmueller | weird. |
| 19:16.04 | kergoth | tried it in pure console without opie running? |
| 19:16.10 | dmueller | oh, not yet |
| 19:16.12 | kergoth | maybe a opie-embeddedkonsole problem |
| 19:16.13 | dmueller | i'm ssh'ed into it. :) |
| 19:16.22 | dmueller | and i get color dir's and stuff on the term display |
| 19:16.29 | dmueller | so i figured it might be a compilation thing w/irssi |
| 19:16.32 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:16.40 | kergoth | afaik its not a build time thing |
| 19:16.44 | dmueller | *nod* |
| 19:16.44 | kergoth | what is your TERM type set to? |
| 19:16.47 | kergoth | set|grep TERM |
| 19:17.07 | dmueller | TERM='tty' |
| 19:17.15 | kergoth | export TERM=linux |
| 19:17.16 | kergoth | irssi |
| 19:17.23 | kergoth | :P |
| 19:17.26 | dmueller | bbias... |
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| 19:18.12 | dmueller | its a wonder how i stay employed sometimes |
| 19:18.14 | dmueller | yeah |
| 19:18.19 | dmueller | that was my problem |
| 19:18.23 | dmueller | not its' in wonderful COLOR! |
| 19:18.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:18.30 | dmueller | dude, i have to say this is nice.. |
| 19:18.31 | dmueller | :) |
| 19:18.47 | kergoth | glad to hear it. figured itd be better than oipe-irc and zic.. |
| 19:19.07 | dmueller | OH GOD |
| 19:19.08 | dmueller | far better |
| 19:19.19 | dmueller | better than trying to irc from within tkcjabber too |
| 19:19.40 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 19:45.06 | bronson | Hey, anyone know how I type Control-C? |
| 19:45.24 | bronson | Apparently I haven't had to do that yet. |
| 19:45.28 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:45.35 | kergoth | fn+c, fn+shift+c, or calandarkey+c |
| 19:45.37 | kergoth | depending on context |
| 19:45.58 | bronson | Context: Konsole. |
| 19:45.59 | bronson | Thanks! |
| 19:46.25 | bronson | Playing MP3s through the buzzer is just too funny. |
| 19:46.36 | bronson | With some pre-filtering, it might actually sound decent! |
| 19:47.00 | bronson | Well, for high notes anyway... |
| 19:48.20 | bronson | How do I type escape?? |
| 19:48.26 | kergoth | cancel button |
| 19:48.37 | bronson | COOL! |
| 19:48.39 | bronson | :) |
| 19:48.49 | bronson | That's perfect for vi. |
| 19:48.52 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:49.09 | bronson | Any ideas why vi prints ^? when I hit <- |
| 19:49.15 | bronson | But deleting works in the shell? |
| 19:49.26 | kergoth | its the backspace vs delete thing |
| 19:49.31 | kergoth | stty erase ^H |
| 19:49.33 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 19:49.50 | bronson | Really?? I guess the shell is smart about it, whereas vi is not... |
| 19:50.02 | kergoth | yeah, busybox vi specifically |
| 19:50.07 | kergoth | could always try vim |
| 19:50.28 | bronson | Actually, I've got vim installed. |
| 19:50.36 | bronson | ... but I'm running vi. |
| 19:50.39 | kergoth | and does the vi symlink point to vim? |
| 19:50.40 | bronson | Right. I'll try vim. :) |
| 19:50.41 | kergoth | ls -l /bin/vi |
| 19:50.49 | kergoth | update-alternatives shoudl have updated /bin/vi to point to vim |
| 19:50.57 | bronson | lessee... |
| 19:51.34 | bronson | nope. |
| 19:51.37 | bronson | It's still busybox. |
| 19:51.38 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:51.42 | kergoth | run vim then |
| 19:53.23 | bronson | ??? |
| 19:53.28 | bronson | In vim, bs does del |
| 19:53.32 | bronson | forward-del |
| 19:53.38 | bronson | Hmm... |
| 19:53.41 | kergoth | fun |
| 19:55.03 | bronson | stty erase ^H didn't fix it. |
| 19:55.07 | bronson | weird! |
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| 20:15.27 | bronson | OK, I'm stumped. I can't figure out how to type ^C. |
| 20:15.35 | bronson | I run "yes", then I try to stop it. |
| 20:15.48 | kergoth | fn+c or fn+shift+c in opie konsole |
| 20:15.55 | kergoth | calandar key + c in pure console outside of opie |
| 20:16.08 | bronson | I tried both! |
| 20:16.15 | ablaze | how do i start opie from the console ?? |
| 20:16.19 | bronson | They just print "?" at the command line |
| 20:16.24 | bronson | /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 20:16.31 | kergoth | they dont here |
| 20:16.37 | kergoth | works just flawlessly regardless of context |
| 20:16.46 | bronson | Werid! I just flashed 3.2, so mine should be no different. |
| 20:16.47 | kergoth | course you must be on oz 3.2 |
| 20:16.50 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:16.58 | bronson | Does it matter? |
| 20:17.12 | kergoth | does what matter? |
| 20:17.25 | bronson | 3.2. |
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| 20:17.58 | bronson | you said, "course you must be on oz 3.2" |
| 20:18.14 | kergoth | yes. |
| 20:18.22 | kergoth | 3.1-rc3 ctrl+c didnt work |
| 20:18.25 | kergoth | oz 3.2 it does |
| 20:18.29 | bronson | For some. :) |
| 20:18.51 | kergoth | for everyone but you apparently, i have zero bug reports on it |
| 20:19.03 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:26.42 | bronson | To ensure that it wasn't terminal overload that was causing me trouble, I tred "while true; do date; sleep 1; done" |
| 20:26.49 | bronson | Still doesn't work. |
| 20:27.00 | kergoth | eh |
| 20:27.06 | bronson | When I hold down Fn-leftshift-C, it prints? |
| 20:27.08 | kergoth | you'll have to hold down ctrl+c constantly to break that while loop |
| 20:27.15 | bronson | er, "?" |
| 20:27.25 | bronson | ok, let me try holding it down... |
| 20:27.28 | kergoth | because half the ctrl+c's will go to the sleep, not the while loop itself, it'll keep going |
| 20:27.32 | kergoth | dont use that as a test |
| 20:27.33 | kergoth | use ping or something |
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| 20:29.50 | bronson | OK, it broke me out. |
| 20:29.54 | bronson | so INT works. |
| 20:30.00 | bronson | But it still prints the "?" |
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| 20:31.24 | pnis | hi |
| 20:31.37 | bronson | And if I hold down Fn-rightshift-C, I get "^[?" |
| 20:32.05 | kergoth | thats not surprising |
| 20:32.10 | bronson | Fn-leftshift-C mostly prints "?", but it appears to occasionally generate a ^C |
| 20:32.12 | kergoth | fn + rightshift maps to alt |
| 20:32.18 | bronson | Ah, that makes sense |
| 20:32.19 | kergoth | fn + leftshift maps to control |
| 20:32.21 | kergoth | in most cases |
| 20:32.46 | bronson | So, it kind of works for me. |
| 20:33.37 | bronson | As long as I lift all fingers and push a few times (holding them down just repeats "?" and never generates a ^C), eventually the app stops. |
| 20:33.46 | bronson | So it works, but it's kinda odd. |
| 20:33.48 | bronson | Thanks kergoth! |
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| 20:33.52 | kergoth | np |
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| 21:37.45 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone running windwos? |
| 21:38.06 | bronson | What, on a desktop machine? |
| 21:38.26 | TheMasterMind1 | yea with their Z |
| 21:38.36 | TheMasterMind1 | i need someone to test something |
| 21:38.45 | TheMasterMind1 | that might prevent the infamous resume-on-cradle hang |
| 21:39.00 | kergoth | so you need someone who not only uses windows, but that can reproduce the hang |
| 21:39.03 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:39.20 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:39.27 | kergoth | i've never been able to repro it |
| 21:39.29 | TheMasterMind1 | you're the only one |
| 21:39.29 | kergoth | even on my windows boxes |
| 21:39.31 | kergoth | for whatever reason |
| 21:39.33 | kergoth | yea |
| 21:53.41 | bronson | Anyone know how to d/l a link in Konq/E? |
| 21:53.54 | bronson | I've got a link to an MP3 file, but when I click on it, I just view garbage... |
| 21:53.57 | kergoth | copy it |
| 21:53.58 | kergoth | run konsole |
| 21:54.02 | kergoth | type 'wget ' |
| 21:54.03 | kergoth | paste |
| 21:54.06 | kergoth | :P |
| 21:54.18 | bronson | Ick. I tried that, but it barfs on spaces. |
| 21:54.33 | bronson | Even when I surround it with '' or "" |
| 21:54.46 | kergoth | escape them |
| 21:54.47 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.49 | kergoth | before each space |
| 21:58.48 | bronson | How do I type "\"? :) |
| 22:00.58 | bronson | Ah, shift-tab |
| 22:01.25 | bronson | Why are some keypresses different in the console vs. Opie? |
| 22:01.34 | kergoth | because lineo are fucknuts |
| 22:01.38 | bronson | Ideally, would they be consolidated to always be the same? |
| 22:01.43 | bronson | Ah. :) |
| 22:01.46 | kergoth | my 2.4.19 tree has a signle solid keymap in all circumstances |
| 22:01.56 | kergoth | i rewrote the keyboard driver and wrote a new kernel keymap |
| 22:01.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:02.03 | bronson | Wow, nice. |
| 22:02.18 | bronson | That sounds very nice. |
| 22:02.27 | bronson | Will you push that up for a new version of OZ? |
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| 22:04.26 | TheMasterMind1 | .19 is awesome, but still unusable |
| 22:04.43 | TheMasterMind1 | kolla: do you use windows with zaurus cradle? |
| 22:06.44 | bronson | Well, I mean, when it's done. :) |
| 22:06.48 | bronson | I look forward to that. |
| 22:07.17 | bronson | After playing around with it, it appears that wget won't retrieve a file with spaces in the name. |
| 22:07.25 | TheMasterMind1 | wget "filename goes here" |
| 22:07.30 | bronson | I can get AB.txt, but not A\ B.txt |
| 22:07.32 | TheMasterMind1 | files shouldn't have spaces though |
| 22:07.33 | bronson | Or "A B.txt" |
| 22:07.40 | TheMasterMind1 | use A%20B.txt |
| 22:07.46 | bronson | Hmm, that's worth a shot. |
| 22:07.59 | bronson | (gotta go walk in range of the AP... :) |
| 22:09.45 | bronson | OK, that works. BUT, now the local file is named A%20B.txt. |
| 22:09.55 | bronson | Criminy. |
| 22:10.08 | bronson | Is there an easy way to watch wget under gdb to see where it loses track of the spaces? |
| 22:10.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:10.23 | bronson | I know that this works on regular Linux machines. |
| 22:10.29 | bronson | (spaces in wget) |
| 22:10.44 | kergoth | we're using busybox wget |
| 22:10.45 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:11.08 | TheMasterMind1 | bronson: busybox wget is limited |
| 22:11.20 | kergoth | install the full wget if you need it |
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| 22:15.06 | bronson | Well, busybox wget does everything I need, with one exception: download files with spaces. |
| 22:15.18 | bronson | I might have a look at it on my desktop machine and see if it's an easy fix... |
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| 22:30.37 | bronson | Is there any chance of getting the Zaurus to act as a USB host instead of just a gadget? |
| 22:31.09 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe |
| 22:31.14 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a cf usb host card |
| 22:31.18 | TheMasterMind1 | but no drivers for linux |
| 22:31.39 | bronson | Oh. Can't do it just from the Z, tho? |
| 22:31.44 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 22:32.13 | bronson | Hm. Is it the USB interface in the Z, or does the cradle condition the signal somehow? |
| 22:32.20 | bronson | Just wondering where the problem lies... |
| 22:32.57 | sieve | has anybody tried an irport file transfer between to zaurii? |
| 22:40.05 | bronson | Crud. It's the interface. Well, there's no easy way around that. |
| 22:40.20 | bronson | Here's hoping they put a hostable chip in the Z in the future. |
| 22:40.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:40.41 | bronson | I would LOVE to control my camera/Archos/GPS/etc from my Z. |
| 22:40.42 | kergoth | righttt |
| 22:41.36 | ljp_work | the vercel has a USB host on it |
| 22:43.20 | bronson | Good lord. www.vercel.com has to be one of the worst web sites anyhere. In every way. |
| 22:44.14 | bronson | "Our first prouct ... is a flexible handheld experience ... It converges music, Internet, games and PDA features in the first portable device designed for the human platform." |
| 22:44.15 | bronson | Farf |
| 22:44.21 | bronson | s/F/B/ |
| 22:47.14 | ljp_work | 'our product is vaporware' |
| 22:47.59 | ljp_work | 'who knows when it will ever be available, of course, we will have to update the hardware, since it will be obsolite when it is, if ever, released' |
| 23:23.07 | *** join/#openzaurus ljp (~ljp@tz0207.peakpeak.com) |