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01:23.22CodeYoddlerHi
01:23.33CodeYoddlerHow long is the Zaurus's battery life
01:23.41CodeYoddlerCan Somebody unban me from #zaurus?
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01:37.54Vanoanyone from Europe and having internet connectivity using GSM / GPRS ?
01:39.03VanoWant to know if anyone ever has been able to get "CF Audiovox RTM-8000 GSM/GPRS" to work with a Zaurus 5500... google doesnt show up anything.
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02:11.03kissmybenderis there a documented list of packages that don't build due to errors for the current buildroot?
02:12.30kissmybenderi'm getting a "patch had errors" for  buildroot-oz/stamps/.gcc-3.2.patch
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02:35.38kissmybenderdoes anyone have any suggestions for documentation to read regarding building custom hardware devices for the Zaurus?  I can't find anything very specific
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03:04.47HeatxSinkhello all
03:05.03kergothhey
03:05.03HeatxSinkI'm having problems trying to sync my Zaurus with my Windows Box
03:05.06HeatxSinkhi kergoth
03:05.09kergothwhat problems
03:05.15HeatxSinkI'm using OZ 3.2
03:05.18HeatxSinkvia USB
03:05.21kergothcan you ping the Z? ftp to it on port 4242 as l: root p: rootme?
03:05.32HeatxSinkdoes OZ have ftp?
03:05.39kergoth..
03:05.41HeatxSinki thought it only had sftp
03:05.47HeatxSinkI can ping the address
03:05.49kergothwhat part of ftp to it on port 4242 do you not understand?
03:05.52kergoththats how syncing works
03:05.57HeatxSinkokay
03:05.58HeatxSinkhold up
03:06.05kergothit uses the qcop bridge on 4243 and the partial ftp server on 4242
03:06.41HeatxSinkit seems like the window's driver
03:06.44HeatxSinkfor USB
03:06.46HeatxSinkkeeps crashing
03:06.48HeatxSinkI don't know why
03:06.50HeatxSinkweird..
03:06.59HeatxSinkI'm running Windows 98 se
03:07.02HeatxSinkso..
03:07.57HeatxSinkbe right back kergoth
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03:19.58HeatxSinkhey kergoth
03:20.00HeatxSinkI'm back
03:24.47HeatxSink?
03:26.38kergothand?
03:26.45kergoththe ftp worked? didnt?
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03:29.02mewyndamnit
03:29.11mewyni hate working with video on crap-assed hardware
03:40.12HeatxSinkcan anyone help me
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06:00.24DrZaiusok.  oz faq
06:00.31DrZaiusquestion #74
06:00.35DrZaiustalks about setting the background in opie
06:00.50DrZaiusand it's surely right, and what I thought the right way to do it would be
06:00.52DrZaiusbut I can't get the thing to work
06:01.13DrZaiusgrabbed a lil 240x320 image of the iMac girl, but wasn't able to get it set as the launcher background
06:01.31DrZaiusis it working right now, or is it better just left to the opie dragon-penguin?
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06:34.45sanabyi reflashed to oz 3.2 and moved opt,home,root to /mnt/card; when i try to install some applications, it complains "ipkg: write: No space left on device" even though there's plenty of space left. what gives?
06:34.52sanabyoh, hmm
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07:26.33HeatxSinkhey kergoth
07:29.46HeatxSinkanyone?
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07:57.11damohasikergoth: are you here?
08:15.51HeatxSinkdamohasi: hi
08:20.07damohasihi HeatxSink
08:30.23HeatxSinkanyone here?
08:30.26HeatxSinkdamohasi?
08:33.38damohasinot really ;)
08:34.27HeatxSinkhaha
08:34.49HeatxSinkdamohasi: do you use your Window's Box to sync your Zaurus Personal stuff?
08:35.38damohasii do not synch
08:35.45damohasii just scp the xml-files
08:35.46HeatxSinkdamn..
08:35.49HeatxSinkahhh
08:35.59HeatxSinkI can't even get it to ping the damned thing
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09:20.50sigmountehi !
09:21.52sigmounteWhat about the openzaurus and the 5600 ?? it everything ok with the xscale 400 ? (will i have all the power , or need to have a special kernel ? ) thanks
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09:52.17Speedy2Yo
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09:59.03HeatxSinkanyone up?
10:11.33Speedy2Hey
10:11.42Speedy2Any luck with the SSH?
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11:23.59mithrohrm i can't seem to get my zaurus to resolve anything
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12:00.27Speedy2Hey ljp
12:00.34Speedy2So you maintain the Opie website now?
12:10.34ljpyes, I have for some time now. I dont do alot with it tho.. busy with a lot of things
12:14.21Speedy2Just wanted to suggest, for the Zaurus feeds, you might want to reference the killefiz.de site for Zaurus iPkgs / software index.
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12:27.33Speedy2Later al
12:27.34Speedy2l
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12:46.08HeatxSinkanyone successfully install Kismet on a Zaurus running OpenZaurus 3.2?
13:12.30CodeYoddlerCone on the ban from #zaurus has gone on long enough
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15:04.40kergothdamohasi: now i am.
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16:29.56nichosHas anyone got OZ to sync w/evolution?
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17:08.08terminatehi, i have a little question regarding oz 3.2 and irda ..
17:09.10kergothask it
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17:09.27dmuellerhellllo
17:09.29MacGyveroz for c700...
17:10.46terminateI would like to know if irda device is broken or the irda applet doesn't work :)
17:11.14kergoth?
17:11.17kergothi can enable irda just fine
17:11.47terminatei got today the new 3.2 images and after 2 flash nothing
17:12.12kergothwhat?
17:12.16kergothafter 2 flash nothing
17:12.19kergothlets try speaking english this time
17:12.24terminatesorry for my english :)
17:12.57terminatei was trying to say that i flashed the new image, and everything runs smooth except for the irda applet
17:12.59dmuellerterminate - did you make sure to save them as binaries?
17:13.03dmuelleroh..
17:13.05dmuellerthats weird
17:13.14dmuellerthat is kergoths fault
17:13.17terminatei got the images via wget on osx
17:13.42terminatejust to be sure i flashed the zaurus twice
17:14.16terminateand i used to use irda with no problems on 3rc1
17:14.50dmuellerhave you checked mailing lists to see if the irda app is indeed recognized to be broken?
17:14.52terminatei read something on that on the sf bugtracker
17:15.08terminatebut it talked about mknod from unstable  
17:15.35kergothwhats kergoths fault?
17:15.42kergothits verified and confirmed to work
17:15.46terminateno kergoth no fault :)
17:15.50kergothit sounds like you flashed the initrd.bin but not the zimage
17:16.13terminatewell i can verify that very easily
17:16.36kergothrightt
17:16.43terminateuname -a : Linux openzaurus 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix dec11 2002
17:16.49terminateis that wrong?
17:17.03kergoththat date is questionable
17:17.11kergothi built the kernels in febuaray of 2003
17:17.45terminatei see, so it's just a flashing problem, good
17:18.15terminateI'll download the images directly from the zaurus ..
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17:23.15terminateshould the kernel image be named zImage or zimage ? Maybe OSX is confused by case-sensitive names on vfat
17:23.18toolafialthis is kinda a dumb question, but I'm having problems getting the background image to change
17:23.44toolafialI *have* to have calvin and hobbes dancing along the bottom of my screen :)
17:25.53toolafialI ran it from the terminal and the resounding msg was that it wasn't formatted right or something
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17:27.48terminateok, the next time someone asks, tell him osx does very badly at renaming files and deleting extensions :)
17:28.07kergothterminate: was zimage.bin? :)
17:28.09terminatekeep up the excellent work
17:28.51kergoththanks
17:30.03terminatedo you need some kind of help on the project?
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17:44.02terminategood irda now works, thank you for your help
17:52.09terminateoh oh, another quest :) Did someone manage to solve fdisk's bus error on CFs?  
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18:23.21damohasikergoth: as you set my improvement request for "go" to closed i guess its not that interesting right now? :)
18:26.38kergothah, no it was a opie issue
18:26.40kergothopen it in mantis
18:26.42kergothibot: opie bugs
18:26.42opie bugs is probably http://opie.info/bugs/
18:26.54kergothforgot to set the comment when i closed it
18:27.15damohasiok kergoth, thank you :) hope you did not get annoyed by the request ;)
18:27.44pb_never fear, kergoth's patience is legendary.
18:27.53damohasihehe :)
18:28.07kergothlol
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18:32.29digitalnickim havin problems getting oz to sync with topia desktop 1.6 on win2k
18:33.07kergothwhat problems?
18:33.34digitalnickcat get it to see the zaurus
18:33.36digitalnickat all
18:33.47kergoth'see the zaurus' means not much
18:33.49kergothcan you ping the Z?
18:33.55kergothcan you ftp to port 4242 on the Z?
18:34.41digitalnicki cant ping it
18:34.55kergothgo into control panel
18:34.57kergothnetwork connections
18:35.03kergothlocal area connection 2, which is the Z
18:35.09kergothproperties
18:35.12kergothtcp/ip
18:35.14kergothproperties
18:35.16kergothwhats the IP set to?
18:35.57digitalnick192.168.1.205
18:40.06kergothuh
18:40.15kergothi'm talking about the Z netwrok interface
18:40.16kergothnot your LAN
18:40.42digitalnickwhat should it be set to?
18:40.50digitalnickit was on dhcp
18:41.10toolafialI thought that you couldn't get Qtopia Desktop to sync with opie
18:41.43digitalnicktoolafial teh faq said you can get it workin with 1.6
18:41.54kergothdigitalnick: you should set it to 192.168.129.1, assuming yoiur Z is 192.168.129.201
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18:53.50ljp_workoz still needs a boot menu... :) hint, hint, hint
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18:55.13digitalnickoki can ping back and fourth between tmy desktop and my zaurus now but qtopia still dosnt want to sync
18:56.16damohasidigitalnick: do you have allowed synching on your Z?
18:56.31damohasidigitalnick: do you have the newiest version of qtopia?
18:56.50digitalnick1.6
18:57.09damohasisounds good, and synching is allowed on your Z?
18:57.21damohasi(security settings)
18:57.28digitalnickyes
18:58.03digitalnick192.168.129.0/24
18:59.04kergothcan you ftp to port 4242 on the Z?
18:59.11kergothl: root p: rootme
19:01.10digitalnickyes
19:01.23digitalnicksaid was an unrecognized system
19:02.10ljp_workyou should have selected ok to connect
19:02.19digitalnicki did
19:05.45digitalnicki still dont get communication between qtopia desktop and the zaurus though
19:12.59ljp_workdid you chant 'great googli-moogli'? sometimes that helps
19:14.28ljp_workI havent tested syncing in a long time
19:18.07damohasiyes, and qtopia desktop is really an ugly piece of software ;)
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19:23.47Are`awnhello
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20:26.30Twiunevening guys
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20:33.34Shaydehmm.
20:33.38Shaydewhats the magic to enable telnetting again?
20:33.47kergothehh
20:33.53kergothin oz, you can ssh in just fine out of the box
20:34.16Shaydei'm ramping up to install oz.  trying to instll the creator ipk's now.
20:34.35kergothah
20:34.46kergothdont recall how to enable telnet in sharp, probably edit inetd.conf and uncomment hte telnetd line
20:36.13damohasikergoth: are there any news about sd?
20:36.27kergothno news
20:36.52damohasiok. so I'll continue hoping ;)
20:37.10damohasi(maybe we should raise a fund and collect money for buying a licence ;)
20:37.13Shaydelocalhost login:
20:37.14Shaydego me!
20:37.38Shaydecourse, i cant' remember the root pw
20:37.58damohasidid you set one?
20:38.05Shaydecan't remember.  default is none, right?
20:38.10damohasiright
20:38.13Shaydesuppose i can quickly set one.
20:41.21Shaydeohh.  wait.  *thinks* isnt' ther esomething about a secure tty for allowing root logins?
20:41.41kergoth<PROTECTED>
20:42.09Shaydehmm.  all uncommented.
20:42.24Shaydeconsole through ttySA2 and ircomm and everything.  ttyUSB0 too
20:42.26kergothShayde: inbound telnets are on pseudo ttys
20:42.33Shaydepty0?
20:42.45kergothi'd just say fuck it and remove securetty
20:42.50kergothif its gone, you can come in from anywhere
20:42.50Shaydehah
20:42.52kergothheh
20:42.53Shayderighto
20:43.32Shayde#
20:43.35ShaydeYAY ME AGAIN!
20:44.02Twiunhey Shayde
20:44.43kergothheh
20:45.45Shaydeokay, jeod, opera, and hancom creators moved.
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20:48.57Shaydebtw, xchat 2.0.1 under winxp is slightly unstable.
20:48.59Shayde:-/
20:50.42Shaydewow
20:50.46Shaydemy Z has gotten all twitchy.
20:52.48Shaydewhere do the creators make their .tgz files?
20:54.22Shaydeoh, never mind.  "done, check /home/root/Documents for opera ipk"
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21:01.00Shaydehey ljp.
21:01.24ljp_workhi
21:01.44Shaydeso, there was some commentary about making sure the CF card was formatted a certain way before installing Opie.  i see the cf card thusly right now:
21:01.57Shayde./dev/hda1 on /usr/mnt.rom/cf type vfat (rw)
21:02.08Shaydethat kosher?
21:02.28ljp_workfor flashing, the cf needs to be fat16
21:02.39Shaydeaha.  thought so :
21:03.33Shaydehmm.  
21:05.11Shaydehm.  is that vfat f16?  the docs are saying 'mkfs.vfat -F 16 /dev/hda1'  - 'all cf cards come formatted as vfat when you buy them, so unless you have reformatted your CF card, there's nothing to worry about' =- this is my father in laws card from his Nikon camera, so i have no clue if he reformatted it :)
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21:06.42Are`awnI am thinking about buyin a zaurus sl-5500, just wanted to ask if the wireless and all the cool features of the zaurus work under the openZaurus project ?
21:07.58ljp_workthey should
21:08.09Shaydethey should work better.
21:08.29Are`awnI was thinking soo, I just didn't want any 'gotchas' or surprises
21:08.46Are`awnand the wireless networking works good too ?
21:08.53Shaydeno, just be cautious.  make sure you back up jeode, hancom, and opera if you want them.
21:09.00Shaydei'll let you know in about an hour, i'm about to upgrade.
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21:20.42Shaydewow, initrd and zimage -just- fit on at 16meg flash card.
21:20.48Shaydewhelp.
21:20.50Shaydehear goes.
21:20.51ljp_work:)
21:21.05ljp_workdont forget to hit the reset button after its flashed
21:23.09Shaydeokay, both lights are flashing.
21:23.29Shaydenow i'll just fidget.  :)
21:24.02ljp_workflashing?
21:24.06Shaydeyup
21:24.11Shaydeboth are flashing.
21:24.19ljp_worknot good
21:24.22Shaydeoh?
21:24.38Shaydemaybe i didn't do the CD thing right?  or the CF card isn't formatted right?
21:24.44ljp_workshould stay constant. either its not fat16 or there's bits missing
21:24.48Shaydehmmm
21:24.52Shaydereset?
21:25.27ljp_workdid you hit just the C & D and the rest button at the same time?
21:25.35Shaydei think so.
21:25.48ljp_workpower cord plugged in?
21:25.50Shaydeyes.
21:25.57Shaydewell its booting at least :)
21:26.09ljp_workya, oz doesnty touch the bootloader
21:26.16Shaydehow can i tell if its formatted right?
21:26.29Shaydeheh.  its a total reset.  dang, that means i dont have my shell anymore.
21:27.43ljp_work1) try doing it again. 2) get a cf reader for you desktop
21:27.54Shaydehave a cf reader. :)  byt my desktop is a winxp box.
21:28.15ljp_workshould be ok. I think
21:28.32kergothid say format it in the z
21:28.36kergothmkfs.vfat -F 16
21:28.46Shaydeokay, on solid, then they went out.
21:28.54kergothah thats good
21:28.56Shaydei can't because i dont have the term app anymore, hard reset lost it :)
21:28.59ljp_workstayed on for a while
21:29.04ljp_work?
21:29.10Shaydeno, for about 2 seconds.
21:29.52Shaydeokay, now they're blinking
21:29.58Shayde(both lights are blinking together)
21:30.26kergothheh
21:30.32Shaydekeyboard open, switch in 'replace battery' position, hold down C and D keys (awkward), and hit the reste.
21:30.44Shaydeideas?  :-/
21:31.05kergothwe already told you the possible sources of the problem
21:31.10kergothits either corrupt files, or filesystem issues
21:31.22Shaydeokee.  can i fix that filesystem on a CF mounted on a winxp box?
21:32.26ljp_workyou need to make sure its formatted with fat16
21:32.43Shayde"Details: removable disk F: File System: FAT"
21:32.43ljp_workbut you should be able too. dont know if winxp does that
21:32.44Shayde-rw-r--r--    1 Administ None     14811134 Apr  8  2003 initrd.bin
21:32.44Shayde-rw-r--r--    1 Administ None       902540 Apr  8  2003 zImage
21:33.27ljp_workhmm. maybe keep trying
21:33.29ljp_work:)
21:33.49kergothShayde: check the md5sum
21:33.59kergothShayde: and you can format the card on your Z
21:34.03kergothunmount, mkfs.vfat -F 16
21:34.21Shaydei can't mkfs.vfat without the terminal app, which got blown away by the hard reset :(
21:34.29Shaydesuppose i could put it back in via cf.
21:34.32kergothyep
21:35.14Shayde[BUCCANEER]:/cygdrive/f$ md5sum.exe zImage
21:35.14Shaydead9966325bd1f3cafc560d2c8c12c3bc *zImage
21:35.14Shayde[BUCCANEER]:/cygdrive/f$ md5sum.exe initrd.bin
21:35.14Shayde6a1b4e22bfe14e92d348b4d98ed8a32c *initrd.bin
21:35.21kergoth..
21:35.22kergothand?
21:35.26kergothcompare them to the ones on openzaurus.org
21:35.26Shaydechecking
21:35.30Shaydeyah, checking.
21:36.13Shaydeyup, match.
21:36.25Shaydelemme install the term app and try the mkfs.
21:36.48CodeYoddlerCome on, this ban from #zaurus has gone on for long enough
21:38.15Shaydeah shit, it has to be in 'Documents/ipkg' or something, doens't it?
21:39.02Shaydeoop, no, found it.
21:39.46CodeYoddlercome on kergoth
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21:41.14Shaydehuh.  mkfs.vfat -F 16 /dev/hda1 returned -immediately- with 'mkfs.vfat 2.8 (28 Feb 2001)
21:41.28Shaydedid it do it?  :)
21:41.43ljp_workCodeYoddler: you got banned?
21:41.54CodeYoddleryeah
21:41.56CodeYoddlerfrom #zaurus
21:42.00CodeYoddlerlike 4 days ago
21:43.00ljp_workhmm
21:43.16Shayde./mnt/cf is showing 'NotAvailable'
21:43.28TwiunCodeYoddler: what did you do to annoy kergoth?
21:43.43CodeYoddlernothing much
21:43.53CodeYoddlerswore
21:43.59Twiunthe ban I see is from yesterday
21:50.57Shaydeballs!
21:50.58Shaydeblinking again!
21:53.12Shaydeoh shit!  didn't rename hte zimage file
21:57.13Shaydebah, i'm going to give up for a while.
22:11.43nichosare there any docs for getting OZ to work w/XP?
22:11.54kergothyes, read the faqs on syncing
22:12.32nichosdocs.zaurus.com is dead:(
22:12.38nichosbeen dead for a few days
22:12.39kergoth..
22:12.42kergothFAQS
22:12.44kergothopenzaurus.org
22:12.48kergoththe really big obvious faqs link
22:18.08dmuellerkergoth
22:18.09dmueller1 work
22:18.10dmuellerlaid off
22:18.17dmuellerok two words
22:18.31kergothlaid off? you were?
22:18.36dmuelleryeah
22:18.37dmuellereffective
22:18.40dmuellerfriday
22:18.41dmueller;-|
22:18.44dmuellerer :-|
22:18.49kergothouch
22:18.51kergoththat sucks man
22:18.57kergothhows the job market where you're at?
22:18.57dmuelleryou are telling me
22:19.00dmuellertwice from the same company
22:19.04dmuellerthe markets sucks ass
22:19.07dmuellerand i mean sucks ass
22:19.09dmuellerbig time
22:19.13dmuellerhome depot here i come
22:19.41kergotheek
22:19.43kergothwhere you at?
22:19.46dmuellerseattle
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23:17.07toolafialI've been layed off by the same company twice, and the re-hired 3 times
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