| 00:00.59 | HandyAndE | thanks, so top bar is normally very full, as it is the quickest bit of ram |
| 00:01.04 | George- | kergoth: is /dev/root a link to /dev/mtdblock4? |
| 00:08.26 | kergoth | HandyAndE: what? |
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| 00:30.23 | mjbjr | at openzaurus.org there is no mention of the 5600. Why not? |
| 00:31.51 | George- | mjbjr: kergoth doesn't have one I don't think :) |
| 00:32.02 | mjbjr | ah |
| 00:32.10 | George- | and kergoth's a slacker |
| 00:34.41 | kergoth | mjbjr: we're working on it right now actually |
| 00:40.11 | George- | kergoth`bbl: suuureee you are :) |
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| 00:54.35 | HandyAndE | any reason why konqueror refuses to install, cannot find mension of this |
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| 01:00.04 | Zxcvb | will my CF modem be /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1? |
| 01:07.03 | George- | Zxcvb: tail -f /var/log/messages? |
| 01:07.07 | George- | Zxcvb: when you insert it |
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| 01:18.33 | HandyAndE | I know I was moaned at earlier, but I don't get this full /dev/root thing - all pkgs are installing to there, and causing new ones to fail now |
| 01:21.49 | kergoth`bbl | HandyAndE: they install where you tell it to install. |
| 01:22.01 | kergoth`bbl | HandyAndE: theres a really big obvious dropdown in the packages app to select where to install to. |
| 01:23.58 | HandyAndE | ah, my problem is that I installed it all from qtopia desktop :( |
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| 01:24.19 | HandyAndE | can I move them, or tell qtopiadesk where to put them? |
| 01:24.58 | kergoth`bbl | nope. you can uninstall them and then install them to the correct place using a feed or by copying the packages to the Z and installing them there. |
| 01:25.50 | HandyAndE | kk |
| 01:27.33 | Zxcvb | just how much can / be written to? |
| 01:27.37 | Zxcvb | is it 100,000 times? |
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| 01:28.30 | George- | Zxcvb: 10,000 I think |
| 01:29.05 | Zxcvb | George-: ouch |
| 01:29.18 | Zxcvb | George-: and OZ writes to it alot |
| 01:29.29 | George- | Zxcvb: nah, not *that* much |
| 01:29.37 | kergoth`bbl | George-, Zxcvb: read, before commenting. |
| 01:29.47 | George- | kergoth`bbl: hrmm? |
| 01:30.12 | Zxcvb | 10,000 erase cycles, right? |
| 01:30.26 | George- | I was always told it was write cycles |
| 01:30.40 | kergoth`bbl | its not writes, its erases, and an erase operation occurs on an entire block |
| 01:30.46 | kergoth`bbl | and that # is per block |
| 01:30.55 | kergoth`bbl | erases are distributed across the entire medium |
| 01:31.09 | George- | kergoth is god :) |
| 01:31.21 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 01:31.41 | George- | kergoth`bbl: I think you should kick bzdougg from #Zaurus - he's taking an MSCE!!!! |
| 01:31.45 | George- | kergoth`bbl: hehe |
| 01:34.12 | Zxcvb | can the Z just not use bad blocks? |
| 01:35.36 | Zxcvb | and just have / reduced by that amount of space? |
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| 01:38.49 | George- | Zxcvb: maybe the internal flash has wear levelling? |
| 01:40.17 | Zxcvb | George-: yeah, but if say, 512k of the flash goes bad, can you still use the zaurus? |
| 01:40.45 | Zxcvb | George-: even if that 512k is between 4MB and 5MB in the flash |
| 01:41.14 | George- | Zxcvb: no idea |
| 01:44.51 | Zxcvb | kergoth`bbl: and how is OZ supposed to know where those bad blocks are when flashing? |
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| 01:48.22 | kergoth`bbl | Zxcvb: dont know. |
| 01:48.41 | kergoth`bbl | Zxcvb: afaik all the flash updater does is writes the image into flash. it doesnt have any more intelligence than that |
| 01:48.50 | kergoth`bbl | Zxcvb: your real question is, how does jffs2 determine if a block is bad. |
| 01:49.01 | kergoth`bbl | Zxcvb: check the linux mtd mailing list archives, it may have been discussed. |
| 01:49.36 | Zxcvb | kergoth`bbl: though you can't reflash OZ if even one block between say, 2MB and 3MB in flash is bad |
| 01:50.15 | kergoth`bbl | Zxcvb: what? if you're asking how the cf updater responds to a fialure to write a block, you'd better talk to sharp |
| 01:50.20 | kergoth`bbl | Zxcvb: since its closed source. |
| 01:51.28 | Zxcvb | kergoth`bbl: I suppose the jffs2 image could have additional redundancy built in, and OZ would make sure it was ok on first boot |
| 01:52.15 | kergoth`bbl | again, if you want details on how jffs2 handles bad blocks, go read about it. |
| 01:52.49 | George- | isn't jffs2 dwmw's project? |
| 01:52.58 | ljp | it spanks those bad blocks, and puts a dunce hat on them, and makes them stand in the corner |
| 01:53.12 | George- | rofl |
| 01:53.25 | kergoth`bbl | ibot: dwmw2 |
| 01:53.25 | | methinks dwmw2 is not to blame. ever. or David Woodhouse <mailto:dwmw2@infradead.org> |
| 01:53.29 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
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| 03:30.56 | digitalnick-z | yeahp |
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| 03:39.52 | absentia | what's the feed dl location for C700 specific dls? I'm looking to put a browser into OZ |
| 03:49.24 | absentia | does anyone here have OZ and a browser? what do I need to get to get a browser working under oz ? |
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| 03:57.36 | digitalnick-z | what package do i need to install to vnc to my desktop from my zaurus |
| 03:57.50 | absentia | no idea |
| 03:58.02 | absentia | I can't seem to get a browser to get onto OZ ... |
| 03:58.07 | absentia | lame |
| 03:58.34 | digitalnick-z | konq wint work? |
| 03:58.53 | absentia | it needs dependencies |
| 03:58.59 | absentia | they're not listed clearly in the feeds |
| 03:59.01 | digitalnick-z | i have it installed but i think i want opera |
| 03:59.04 | absentia | libqt? there is not libqt? |
| 03:59.10 | absentia | opie-base .. thre is no opie base |
| 03:59.18 | absentia | now ipkg just segfaults when I try to install konq |
| 03:59.21 | digitalnick-z | konq works for me |
| 03:59.22 | absentia | so I can't see the other dependencies |
| 03:59.27 | absentia | ya |
| 03:59.31 | digitalnick-z | humm |
| 03:59.40 | absentia | hmmm |
| 03:59.41 | mewyn` | absentia: what feed are you getting files from? |
| 03:59.50 | mewyn` | and what version of OZ are you running? |
| 03:59.50 | absentia | mew: the wrong one. there are no c700 feeds. |
| 03:59.53 | absentia | oz 3.3.1 |
| 04:00.17 | absentia | feed http://www.openzaurus.org/official/stable/feed/ |
| 04:00.28 | mewyn` | did you /ever/ activate /any/ other feeds? |
| 04:00.37 | absentia | activate? |
| 04:00.45 | absentia | I downloaded these and transferred them |
| 04:00.49 | absentia | is there a faster way ? |
| 04:01.07 | mewyn` | you should be using aqpkg and be loading from the stable feed |
| 04:01.09 | absentia | aqkg ? |
| 04:01.12 | absentia | ah! |
| 04:01.21 | absentia | I downloaded the entire feed manually to a cf carf |
| 04:01.23 | absentia | card |
| 04:01.33 | digitalnick-z | heh |
| 04:01.33 | absentia | ok, how do I tell aqpkg to go there? |
| 04:01.35 | absentia | I'm on the oz now |
| 04:01.57 | digitalnick-z | you type fast on your oz |
| 04:02.06 | mewyn` | i don't remember offhand |
| 04:02.10 | absentia | well, oz is in lap, this is a pc. |
| 04:02.17 | absentia | I don't have a / or ESC key on my oz |
| 04:02.17 | mewyn` | i'm nowhere near my Z |
| 04:02.19 | digitalnick-z | ah |
| 04:02.19 | absentia | mostly useless |
| 04:02.20 | absentia | :-) |
| 04:02.24 | absentia | ah, ok |
| 04:02.25 | digitalnick-z | im on my z |
| 04:02.26 | absentia | I'll poke at it |
| 04:02.32 | mewyn` | the cancel button is esc |
| 04:02.36 | George- | g'night all |
| 04:02.37 | absentia | ok |
| 04:02.40 | absentia | night |
| 04:02.48 | digitalnick-z | no / ? |
| 04:02.48 | absentia | mew: thanks for the help... I'll go try/read... |
| 04:02.56 | absentia | on the C700, with OZ |
| 04:02.56 | digitalnick-z | how is that |
| 04:02.59 | mewyn` | no problem |
| 04:02.59 | absentia | the / key doesn't work |
| 04:03.04 | absentia | shift doesn't work all the time |
| 04:03.04 | digitalnick-z | ahh |
| 04:03.06 | absentia | fn is dead |
| 04:03.09 | mewyn` | now i've got to go jump my friends car |
| 04:03.22 | absentia | (calibration is off) so the virt keyboard is like a video game |
| 04:03.22 | absentia | etc. |
| 04:03.26 | absentia | mew: night |
| 04:03.55 | digitalnick-z | im javin problems getting kismet working |
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| 07:54.16 | PloenK | Do you know when the zaurus SL-5600 will be out on the market? |
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| 10:18.14 | slowhog | I upgrade busybox-0.61-pre-0406xx and it failed. Now I cannot even login because /bin/sh link is missing. :-( |
| 10:18.22 | slowhog | What can I do to recover back? |
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| 10:39.12 | Twiun | morning folks |
| 10:41.56 | George- | uhh, isn't hte 5600 already out on the market? |
| 10:43.09 | Twiun | only in very limited numbers afaik |
| 10:43.28 | slowhog | What can I do is /bin/sh is missing? I cannot even log in. |
| 10:44.24 | Twiun | can you telnet/ssh in? |
| 10:44.40 | slowhog | Twiun: Nope. |
| 10:45.03 | George- | slowhog: ftp in, get all your data off, then reflash |
| 10:45.58 | slowhog | George-: I am not sure how to ftp. Is ftp enabled by default? |
| 10:46.11 | George- | dunno |
| 10:46.29 | George- | you might be completely screwed |
| 10:46.33 | George- | and have to reflash |
| 10:46.38 | slowhog | I am trying to avoid reflash. |
| 10:46.42 | Twiun | slowhog: what ROM (+version) are you using |
| 10:46.48 | slowhog | OZ3.2 |
| 10:46.53 | George- | well, if you have no /bin/sh, then you're probably going to have to. |
| 10:47.26 | Twiun | slowhog: I take it Opie isn't running? |
| 10:48.03 | slowhog | I have an impression read somewhere in FAQ there is a way to rebuild file system by pressing c-r at some time. But I cannot find it now. |
| 10:48.54 | slowhog | Twiun: Opie is crashed, I guess. All happened after I try to upgrade busybox-0.61.ore-0406 from testing feed. |
| 10:49.05 | Twiun | slowhog: Opie is required for ftp, so reflashing seems the only way |
| 10:49.33 | Twiun | I also believe that updating any of those core packages, busybox included should be done from a shell - not opie |
| 10:49.52 | Twiun | but I've never updated from a network feed - so I can't guarantee that's the case |
| 10:49.53 | slowhog | I have to re-install all app then? I have /root /opt /usr/share on SD. |
| 10:50.26 | Twiun | no, if they're on sd then you'll only have to run ipkg-mount on those dirs |
| 10:50.32 | slowhog | Twiun: I do it from a shell from remote (ssh in). |
| 10:50.59 | Twiun | slowhog: then I don't know why it messed up - best ask later on in the day when kergoth is online |
| 10:51.19 | Twiun | but in any case, your SD and CF contents are safe through a flash |
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| 10:52.54 | slowhog | Twiun: Here is the sequence I am going to do, please tell me if something is wrong. |
| 10:52.54 | slowhog | 1. Reflash |
| 10:53.17 | slowhog | 2. rm /opt, /usr/share, /home from /. |
| 10:53.39 | slowhog | 3. create symbolic link to those directories on SD. |
| 10:53.48 | slowhog | 4. ipkg-mount /opt |
| 10:53.57 | slowhog | and other directories. |
| 10:54.16 | Twiun | I think even just ipkg-mounting /opt should be enough |
| 10:54.28 | Twiun | otherwise, those steps look ok |
| 10:55.32 | slowhog | Twiun: Thanks, Wish me luck. :-) |
| 10:56.17 | Twiun | G0od luck! :) |
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| 10:57.53 | Twiun | hey pb_ |
| 11:00.33 | pb_ | Twiun: afternoon |
| 11:01.42 | Twiun | pb_: know any way I can get a list of functions in a lib (at runtime) without using nm? |
| 11:01.52 | Twiun | pb_: kinda like using dlsym, but with a wildcard? |
| 11:03.39 | pb_ | Not easily. I think you'd have to use libelf and crawl the symbol table by hand. |
| 11:04.32 | Twiun | hmm... I'll take a look at libelf |
| 11:04.42 | Twiun | wonder how big it is... |
| 11:06.29 | Twiun | yikes... 1.7mb libelf.a |
| 11:07.54 | Twiun | and doesn't come as a .so in standard OZ... |
| 11:09.42 | pb_ | oh dear. |
| 11:10.23 | pb_ | fwiw, it's only a 70k .so on my desktop. |
| 11:10.33 | pb_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 75848 Oct 6 2002 /usr/lib/libelf.so.0.7.0 |
| 11:10.53 | Twiun | that's much better... I could statically link that |
| 11:11.00 | Twiun | or depend on it |
| 11:12.26 | Twiun | I'll try making a .so from the buildroot .a |
| 11:14.14 | Twiun | -rw-r--r-- 1 twiun twiun 59316 Apr 18 12:13 libelf.so |
| 11:14.14 | slowhog | Which busybox in testing feed is safe for me to upgrade? 0402 or 0406? I unpack the 0406 ipk, and find it only contains a subset of 0402 ipk. |
| 11:14.23 | Twiun | 59k libelf... not bad |
| 11:16.30 | Twiun | grr. now to find a useful libelf howto |
| 11:16.37 | Twiun | slowhog: sorry, I have no idea |
| 11:39.59 | slowhog | Twiun: I cannot do ipkg-link mount /opt, should I just ipkg-link mount / |
| 12:00.24 | Twiun | slowhog: try it |
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| 12:07.02 | slowhog | Seems like I don't need to do ipkg-link, as I actually has SD pretty much like root. But now my problem is I don't have a correct ipkg status (/usr/lib/ipkg/status). |
| 12:08.21 | slowhog | However, the Setting/Packages in Opie still know installed packages. |
| 12:08.49 | slowhog | Can I make ipkg to get the installed packages information back? |
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| 12:17.23 | Twiun | slowhog: I don't know how you'd do that - I've never had to look in the status file |
| 12:18.30 | pb_ | Ipkg does store enough data on the system that you can reconstitute an .ipk from the installed files. |
| 12:18.35 | slowhog | Another issue is the contents in /etc, they are all get losted. :-( Especially those files in /etc/init.d. |
| 12:18.38 | pb_ | I think the control file is placed verbatim in /usr/lib/ipkg/info. |
| 12:19.50 | slowhog | pb_: But /usr/lib/ipkg/ are overwritten after reflash. |
| 12:21.21 | slowhog | It is interesting how aqpkg knows the correct status. And if there is a way to get those information back to ipkg. |
| 12:21.40 | pb_ | oh, I see. sorry, I didn't really understand what you were saying before. |
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| 12:44.57 | Twiun | pb_: don't suppose you know any good libelf tutorials? manpages are a bit thin on details |
| 12:46.12 | pb_ | Not really. You could look at the source for something like prelink, I guess. |
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| 13:46.42 | clem | hello guys |
| 13:46.50 | clem | does anybody knows why there is `arm-linux-(gcc|g++|ld|...)' *and* `(gcc|g++|ld|...)' in openzaurus.com cross-compiling toolkit ? |
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| 13:52.01 | absentia | re |
| 13:56.37 | sigmounte | hi ! anyone have problem to add a shoutcast stream to the opieplayer ? |
| 13:57.10 | ljp | opieplayer 1 ? |
| 13:57.23 | sigmounte | yes , the "+" button do nothing |
| 13:57.35 | sigmounte | i want to add the url of an mp3 stream |
| 13:57.48 | ljp | in the menu there is 'Add File or URL' |
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| 14:00.23 | sigmounte | yes , but what i have to enter in this field ? http://ip:port/ , url to the .pls , or something other ? |
| 14:04.19 | ljp | either. all |
| 14:06.31 | sigmounte | it say "no input plugins found for this media type" |
| 14:06.45 | sigmounte | hav you got an url i can test ? |
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| 14:08.12 | ljp | do you have libmad installed? |
| 14:08.28 | ljp | libmadplugin that is |
| 14:08.31 | sigmounte | yes |
| 14:08.58 | ljp | ones from shoutcast.com should work |
| 14:11.21 | clem | i'll try this question instead: does anybody uses openzaurus toolkit for crosscompiling? |
| 14:13.45 | ljp | some poeple do I am sure |
| 14:14.05 | ljp | I use the old embedix sdk |
| 14:14.20 | sigmounte | like this one ?http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=5644219&file=filename.pls |
| 14:16.18 | ljp | hmmm |
| 14:16.32 | ljp | used to work. heh |
| 14:34.20 | ljp | bbl |
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| 14:58.41 | clem | thx anyway ljp... but when you say 'old', you mean it cannot compile some opie stuff, or is it still OK even for opie unstable? |
| 14:59.03 | kergoth | its still ok, sort of |
| 14:59.11 | kergoth | i've seen the embedix toolchain bork on compiles before. |
| 15:01.55 | absentia | re |
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| 18:40.47 | clem | ibot: toolchain |
| 18:40.48 | | rumour has it, toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains, or http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or at http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jeffm/pub/cross/arm-linux/ppc/ which can be modified to work with Zaurus cross development, or can be found at http://www.handhelds.org/~joshua/, or http://www.handhelds.org/pub/arm/toolchain |
| 18:40.48 | clem | ibot: toolchains |
| 18:40.48 | | no idea, clem |
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| 23:16.44 | pagan | Anyone wanna help me fix my wifi? I have a wcf12 and OZ3.2 and the card just flashes like its waiting for the AP. I know the ap works. What's wrong? |
| 23:18.01 | pagan | hey |
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| 23:26.06 | pagan | Anyone wanna help me fix my wifi? I have a wcf12 and OZ3.2 and the card just flashes like its waiting for the AP. I know the ap works. What's wrong? |
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