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| 01:23.45 | gecko_x2 | lo ppl |
| 01:24.37 | gecko_x2 | anyone here with a socket PCMCIA 2.5 card and Oz 3.2? |
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| 02:13.05 | c0nsumer | hey there |
| 02:13.11 | cobweb | hello |
| 02:14.02 | c0nsumer | is there a faq or anything that might help me deal with a bus error when trying to use fdisk from openzaurus to set up SD card? |
| 02:14.15 | kergoth | fdisk as included in 3.2 is broken. its known to bus error |
| 02:14.19 | kergoth | grab the fdisk ipk from ZSI |
| 02:14.34 | c0nsumer | heh. thanks. my friend will be REALLY happy about that |
| 02:14.50 | cobweb | very |
| 02:14.52 | c0nsumer | sorry, but ZSI? |
| 02:14.53 | kergoth | silly bug, one of our gcc optimization flags seems to cause it to occur |
| 02:14.57 | kergoth | quite odd, really |
| 02:15.04 | kergoth | happens with both busybox fdisk and util-linux fdisk |
| 02:15.08 | kergoth | which indicates they share that code |
| 02:15.13 | kergoth | zsi is the zaurus software index |
| 02:15.16 | kergoth | the definitive Z software site |
| 02:15.17 | c0nsumer | oh,oh, okay. thanks. |
| 02:15.22 | kergoth | killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 02:15.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:15.39 | c0nsumer | ahh, okay... hehe. thanks. :) i can understand how that could happen... thanks. |
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| 02:17.11 | c0nsumer | by the way, i don't have a zaurus myself yet, but after seeing my friend's, i'm hugely impressed |
| 02:19.32 | c0nsumer | well, thanks! |
| 02:37.27 | yebyen | is it a bad idea to try to update to a current feed? :) |
| 02:38.09 | yebyen | like, testing or unstable |
| 02:51.17 | djr | yes, probably |
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| 03:37.45 | alobodig | Arg. |
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| 05:15.09 | prpplague | anyone using xfree86 on there z |
| 05:15.10 | prpplague | ? |
| 05:17.14 | djr | im not |
| 05:17.27 | djr | the only reason i want xf86 on the Z is so i can use snes9x :( |
| 05:17.52 | djr | i havent gotten zfceu to work yet... i can get a directory of the roms... but when i try and load one, it does nothing |
| 05:18.02 | djr | and then with znester... it works... but its kinda sluggish |
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| 11:11.59 | _jdh41 | anyone know why my zaurus seems to hang under OZ 3.2 when I use the custimize handwriting dialog? |
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| 11:22.19 | thomax23 | hi |
| 11:24.43 | thomax23 | i've just installed & configured oz but forgot to jeodcreate. what is a good & effective backup&restore for the whole thing (includes sd card)? z is connected with wlan0 to linux net. |
| 11:30.43 | thomax23 | hello?? |
| 11:31.43 | thomax23 | i've just installed & configured oz but forgot to jeodcreate. what is a good & effective backup&restore for the whole thing (includes flash & sd card)? z is connected with wlan0 to linux net. |
| 11:33.39 | _jdh41 | thomax23: I am in here to ask Qs too, but on one seems to be paying attention.... |
| 11:34.16 | _jdh41 | can you ssh to it? |
| 11:34.16 | thomax23 | jdh41: what questions do you have? |
| 11:34.24 | _jdh41 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.35 | thomax23 | jdh41: as i figured out, the oz likes to hang in certain processes. even it likes to wipe out files under circumstances |
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| 11:36.00 | _jdh41 | and also, how do I get aqpkg to actually download and install the files, It can retrieve a pkg listing, but It gives Cannot find package irssi-text |
| 11:36.25 | thomax23 | (like konquerer hangs a lot and the handwritting thing did the same things you mentioned) |
| 11:36.58 | thomax23 | jdh41: even this is quiet normal for me to |
| 11:37.05 | bobbyd | anyone know how to do realtime sound on the c700? |
| 11:37.15 | bobbyd | what's the best way? SDL? |
| 11:37.22 | thomax23 | bobbyd: encode or decode? |
| 11:37.32 | bobbyd | thomax23: a realtime synth |
| 11:38.08 | bobbyd | i just need to be able to mix into a buffer and output sound in realtime |
| 11:38.08 | thomax23 | bobbyd: ah, ok. hmmm.. SDL is common for game programmers.. |
| 11:38.21 | bobbyd | i know nothing about sound under linux |
| 11:38.39 | bobbyd | what's the native linux sound system? |
| 11:38.46 | thomax23 | oss |
| 11:39.07 | bobbyd | and is that also on the zaurus? |
| 11:39.11 | thomax23 | (the zaurus driver is compatible to it) |
| 11:39.52 | bobbyd | ahh cool |
| 11:39.57 | thomax23 | i've just installed & configured oz but forgot to jeodcreate. what is a good & effective backup&restore for the whole thing (includes flash & sd card)? z is connected with wlan0 to linux net. |
| 11:40.02 | bobbyd | so if i just write for OSS it'll work! |
| 11:40.17 | thomax23 | bobbyd: i guess. |
| 11:40.24 | jdh41 | thomax23: what does jeodcreate do? |
| 11:40.52 | thomax23 | jdh41: it makes a reinstallable jeode ipkg |
| 11:41.09 | thomax23 | the same with operacreator |
| 11:41.47 | jdh41 | ah, so its only the java bit which is missing? |
| 11:42.08 | jdh41 | can you just scp everything across to a normal linux box? (I don't know about restore) |
| 11:42.10 | thomax23 | and because the system likes to crash with data loss it would be good to have a good complete backup system |
| 11:42.55 | thomax23 | jdh41: yes, and rsync and so on. |
| 11:43.41 | thomax23 | jdh41: but you can't overwrite running libraries & shit. this may cause more damage |
| 11:43.58 | jdh41 | ah |
| 11:44.29 | thomax23 | this channel seems to be a bit stale |
| 11:44.44 | jdh41 | hmm, can you kill everything apart from the kernel, shell and init and then do it? |
| 11:45.08 | jdh41 | (in addition to only having 6 months experinece in linux) |
| 11:45.13 | thomax23 | jdh41: me to, have it since last saturday |
| 11:45.27 | jdh41 | ah |
| 11:45.30 | jdh41 | same as me then |
| 11:45.32 | thomax23 | jdh41: ok, i'm 20 years advanced.. |
| 11:45.36 | jdh41 | (well, I was friday) |
| 11:47.00 | jdh41 | maybe if we prefix nicks to people's names it shall attract their attention? |
| 11:47.47 | thomax23 | sighs |
| 11:47.49 | jdh41 | hmm, most seem to be several hours idle |
| 11:47.53 | thomax23 | i like to continue |
| 11:48.13 | thomax23 | OctaneZ: idle for 2 days, 4 hours, 52 minutes, 39 seconds |
| 11:48.50 | jdh41 | bul|woak: idle : 0 days 0 hours 0 mins 40 secs looks more promising |
| 11:48.53 | bobbyd | thomax23: what's the problem? |
| 11:49.55 | thomax23 | bobbyd: i like to make a complete backup and restore of the whole system |
| 11:51.33 | thomax23 | bobbyd: now i'm looking for some advices (like, don't use cp -a or rsync or dd or whatever, but you can try this and that) |
| 11:54.05 | jdh41 | Is three any eqivilant of apt-get that can be run at the command line in OZ? |
| 11:54.15 | jdh41 | (I assume ipkg <==> dpkg) |
| 11:54.18 | thomax23 | jdh41: openzaurus seems to be unstable in stable version anyhow. but i didn't played with the lineo system and can not differ between them and can't say this or thats better |
| 11:54.30 | thomax23 | ipkg |
| 11:54.45 | thomax23 | ipkg do more or less both parts |
| 11:54.55 | jdh41 | ah |
| 11:55.36 | thomax23 | ipkg update - gets lists from servers (like wirtten in /etc/ipkg.conf) |
| 11:55.55 | thomax23 | ipkg list - gets you a list of all available packages |
| 11:56.24 | jdh41 | stable: 3.2 unstable: 3.1-rc3 |
| 11:56.28 | thomax23 | ipkg install - installs packages from appropriate sources |
| 11:57.01 | thomax23 | jdh41: yeah. it seems they are not well organized |
| 11:58.05 | thomax23 | (or should i say "we") |
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| 11:58.43 | thomax23 | ljp: hi |
| 11:59.28 | ljp | hi |
| 12:00.00 | thomax23 | ljp: do you know a good backup & restore way for the OZ in a linux net? |
| 12:00.32 | thomax23 | ljp: (whole system backup & restore) |
| 12:00.54 | ljp | I usually just copy the data files myself. but there are a couple app to do that for you |
| 12:01.59 | thomax23 | ljp: dd is a bad idea? |
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| 12:03.06 | thomax23 | ljp: or how can i make an own rom image |
| 12:03.31 | thomax23 | jdh41: i use wireless. thats very nice |
| 12:04.56 | jdh41 | how do I restart opie? |
| 12:05.25 | jdh41 | /etc/init.d/opie start don't work |
| 12:06.32 | thomax23 | jdh41: should work. |
| 12:07.32 | jdh41 | You seem to already have a /root/Applications directory. |
| 12:07.32 | jdh41 | Assuming it is the Opie Applications directory. Exiting. |
| 12:07.32 | jdh41 | Starting Opie.... |
| 12:07.33 | jdh41 | Bus error |
| 12:07.49 | thomax23 | oops. |
| 12:09.15 | jdh41 | oh dear. |
| 12:09.22 | jdh41 | even after a reset it has said problem |
| 12:09.42 | thomax23 | did you do a hard reset? |
| 12:09.43 | jdh41 | (Probably because it was half way through upgrading some libraries when the ssh session died |
| 12:09.46 | jdh41 | no, soft |
| 12:10.11 | thomax23 | what button is that? |
| 12:10.53 | thomax23 | (i mean, normal reset) |
| 12:10.59 | jdh41 | soft reset = toggle the replace battery switch |
| 12:11.18 | jdh41 | crap |
| 12:11.22 | jdh41 | this is a reflash job |
| 12:11.35 | jdh41 | (luckily I hadn't installed very much) |
| 12:11.35 | thomax23 | jdh41: ok, thats what i do intuitive right |
| 12:12.04 | thomax23 | jdh41: that why i ask for a good backup method (complete) |
| 12:12.22 | jdh41 | well, it still does ssh |
| 12:12.50 | thomax23 | i have mostly everything up & running (even debian tools and gcc) |
| 12:14.08 | thomax23 | but this cannel is not very responsive |
| 12:14.33 | jdh41 | no, maybe try #openembbeded |
| 12:15.35 | thomax23 | i've had on some reboots sensations. it's not rebooting and even soft reset didn't work. i have to pull the power & battery to get a propper reboot |
| 12:17.48 | jdh41 | did you try hardreboot switch too? |
| 12:18.10 | thomax23 | jdh41: where is it? |
| 12:18.13 | jdh41 | also, is it possible to bild your own kernel/root fs images? |
| 12:18.27 | jdh41 | thomax23: in the battery compartment, theres a little switch jsut below the battery |
| 12:18.32 | jdh41 | press it with the tip of the stylus |
| 12:18.39 | jdh41 | what you did when you flashed |
| 12:18.43 | jdh41 | without the c&d keys |
| 12:18.58 | thomax23 | jdh41: no, that overwrites the flash |
| 12:19.17 | jdh41 | it wipes the internal memory, but leaves the flash alone |
| 12:19.47 | thomax23 | but all my changes are gone with the memory |
| 12:19.58 | jdh41 | true |
| 12:20.17 | jdh41 | woth it if you're using 0+64 and SD |
| 12:20.22 | thomax23 | so remove all power is the best in this situation |
| 12:20.34 | jdh41 | yeh |
| 12:21.09 | thomax23 | jdh41: i use 32+32 but now i know it's a problem |
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| 12:23.11 | jdh41 | 3so is it possible to build your own kernel? |
| 12:23.39 | jdh41 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.53 | thomax23 | yepp, but i didn't tried it |
| 12:24.05 | jdh41 | link anywhere? |
| 12:24.50 | thomax23 | what is link anywhere? |
| 12:25.27 | jdh41 | was referring to is there a web link anywhere for the kernel stuff? |
| 12:26.58 | thomax23 | ok, i take a break now |
| 12:27.12 | jdh41 | cya |
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| 12:53.24 | jdh41 | anyone have an idea on this: |
| 12:53.34 | jdh41 | # cat /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/testing | grep irssi |
| 12:53.34 | jdh41 | Package: irssi-common |
| 12:53.34 | jdh41 | Filename: irssi-common_0.8.6-2_armv4l-strongarm.ipk |
| 12:53.34 | jdh41 | Description: Common files for irssi irc client |
| 12:53.34 | jdh41 | Package: irssi-text |
| 12:53.37 | jdh41 | Filename: irssi-text_0.8.6-2_armv4l-strongarm.ipk |
| 12:53.39 | jdh41 | Description: Curses version of irssi |
| 12:53.42 | jdh41 | # ipkg install irssi-text |
| 12:53.44 | jdh41 | loading conf file /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 12:53.47 | jdh41 | Cannot find package irssi-text. |
| 12:53.49 | jdh41 | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' |
| 12:53.52 | jdh41 | # |
| 12:53.59 | jdh41 | domain resolution etc. works fine, as does ipkg update |
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| 17:39.36 | yeiazel | why do I have "Cannot find package xmms-e" when trying to install xmms from the testing feed (I'm using oz3.2) ? |
| 17:39.46 | kergoth | read the mailing list archives |
| 17:39.53 | kergoth | where this has been discussed oh.. 15 times or so |
| 17:54.14 | yeiazel | kergoth: ok found thx |
| 17:54.21 | kergoth | np |
| 18:01.14 | jdh41 | sounds like my current problem, shall check archives |
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| 18:42.56 | eim | Hello folks, I've allready asked this question in here, furthermore I've written an email to the openzaurus-users list, but no answer, anyway... is PicoGUI available in OZ version 3.2? I can't find the pg-<foo> packages in the repository. Thanks for help. |
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| 19:01.49 | te_ess | hello everybody |
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| 19:59.23 | BSDKnight | hello |
| 19:59.44 | BSDKnight | i am now a proud 5500 owner ... |
| 19:59.57 | BSDKnight | i was wondering if there are any plans to port OpenZaurus to 5600? |
| 20:00.34 | absentiaW | I'd check the magic 8ball... 8ball says "ask again later" ... it's later... asking 8ball again ... magic 8ball sez "definitely" |
| 20:01.50 | BSDKnight | heh |
| 20:02.08 | BSDKnight | also- i thought OZ had a separate wireless app, but now i can't seem to find it |
| 20:02.27 | BSDKnight | or am i thinking of sharp Z...? |
| 20:02.31 | kergoth`bbl | you're thinking of sharp |
| 20:02.37 | kergoth`bbl | networksettings has everything |
| 20:03.09 | BSDKnight | how do i config the wireless then, under network app, there is no way to setup WEP, or infrastructure/ad-hoc, etc...? |
| 20:03.18 | kergoth`bbl | what? |
| 20:03.20 | kergoth`bbl | yes, there is. |
| 20:03.21 | BSDKnight | just DHCP, or set IP and DNS manually |
| 20:03.25 | kergoth`bbl | you must have the card inserted. |
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| 20:04.32 | BSDKnight | it is |
| 20:04.46 | kergoth`bbl | works just flawlessly here. |
| 20:04.56 | kergoth`bbl | when card is inserted, select wep, what hage you |
| 20:04.58 | BSDKnight | i see usbd0, eth1, eth0, and wlan0 all showing (disconnected) |
| 20:05.13 | kergoth`bbl | if its disconnected, the card isnt inserted |
| 20:05.13 | BSDKnight | unless card is screwy, but i had it working ok a day ago or so |
| 20:05.21 | kergoth`bbl | did you insert it after the netwrok app was running? |
| 20:05.27 | kergoth`bbl | quick network settings, insert card, run network settings |
| 20:05.30 | kergoth`bbl | er quit |
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| 20:06.21 | BSDKnight | ah |
| 20:06.23 | BSDKnight | :) |
| 20:06.40 | kergoth`bbl | it doesnt refresh the info on card insert yet, afaik |
| 20:06.45 | BSDKnight | hmm |
| 20:07.13 | BSDKnight | do i have to ifdown/ifup wlan0 on konsole? |
| 20:07.30 | kergoth`bbl | it runs ifup on card insertion |
| 20:08.08 | BSDKnight | i think is working, i can ping] |
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| 23:17.46 | HeatxSink | hello all |
| 23:17.53 | HeatxSink | I just installed a cross complier |
| 23:17.59 | HeatxSink | from handhelds.org |
| 23:18.09 | HeatxSink | I was wondering if there is some documentation anywhere? |
| 23:19.25 | zap-zero | documentation? just use GCC=arm-linux-gcc etc |
| 23:20.50 | HeatxSink | nice nice |
| 23:20.55 | zap-zero | and/or --host=arm-linux with ./configure |
| 23:21.09 | HeatxSink | so where do I throw the new complier |
| 23:24.27 | HeatxSink | I put it in opt is that alright? |
| 23:35.26 | HeatxSink | hello? |
| 23:41.16 | hardwire | hi |
| 23:43.03 | kergoth | HeatxSink: uh, the path is hardcoded. it *must* go in a certain location |
| 23:45.48 | HeatxSink | kergoth: which version of pcmcia-cs is in OZ 3.2? |
| 23:46.04 | kergoth | 3.2.3 iirc |
| 23:46.11 | HeatxSink | ? |
| 23:46.14 | kergoth | .. |
| 23:46.18 | kergoth | pcmcia-cs 3.2.3. |
| 23:46.19 | HeatxSink | iirc? |
| 23:46.21 | kergoth | iirc = if i recall correctly |
| 23:46.26 | HeatxSink | ahh |
| 23:46.28 | HeatxSink | sorry |
| 23:46.31 | kergoth | yeah, its 3.2.3. |
| 23:46.37 | HeatxSink | nice |
| 23:46.43 | HeatxSink | and dump_cis isn't installed right? |
| 23:47.01 | kergoth | nope, could easily add it to the ipk |
| 23:47.06 | kergoth | need it? |
| 23:47.31 | HeatxSink | tya |
| 23:47.34 | HeatxSink | ya I need it |
| 23:47.44 | HeatxSink | cause I got this bluetooth CF taht doesn't work |
| 23:47.46 | kergoth | how does that work anyway? i know little about the ciss stuff |
| 23:47.52 | kergoth | s/ciss/cis/ |
| 23:47.57 | HeatxSink | no idea |
| 23:48.04 | kergoth | i mean, what do you do with dump_cis? |
| 23:48.16 | HeatxSink | well from what I've read up on it |
| 23:48.27 | HeatxSink | it dumps all the information on the card that is inserted |
| 23:48.36 | HeatxSink | like addressing |
| 23:48.38 | HeatxSink | stuff liek that |
| 23:49.57 | HeatxSink | oh man... |
| 23:50.02 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:50.06 | HeatxSink | kergoth: don't i need the kernel src for OZ? |
| 23:50.10 | kergoth | you do? |
| 23:50.29 | HeatxSink | to cross complie something like dump_cis for OZ |
| 23:50.43 | HeatxSink | errr or like the entire package pcmcia_cs |
| 23:50.46 | kergoth | well, dump_cis is a userspace app, not sure if itd need the headers |
| 23:50.51 | kergoth | for pcmcia-cs as a whole, yes |
| 23:50.59 | kergoth | you can just grab the oz buidlroot, which is the system we use to build oz |
| 23:51.08 | kergoth | any changes to that occur in the feed updates |
| 23:51.09 | HeatxSink | where is taht at? |
| 23:51.18 | kergoth | search the oz faqs on openzaurus.org |
| 23:51.19 | kergoth | for 'source' |
| 23:51.23 | kergoth | that should do it |
| 23:57.00 | HeatxSink | cool |