| 00:00.11 | Fare | thomax23: see above |
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| 00:00.38 | thomax23 | the url gives me a 404 |
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| 00:02.14 | alobodig | Fare: From what I understand, usbdnet is depreciated, at least for use with the Z, and a recent version of usbnet should be used. I've had limited success with usbdnet. |
| 00:02.19 | thomax23 | no, i just like to get rid of the craddle itself and like to have something like pcmcia ethernet pigtail to an usb socket |
| 00:03.41 | cyn_ | my c700 has just that |
| 00:03.42 | Fare | alobodig: recent, as in using 2.5.x ? |
| 00:03.48 | cyn_ | but it doesn't charge over it or anything :( |
| 00:03.50 | Fare | cyn_: you have just what? |
| 00:03.54 | cyn_ | I'd rather it have a cradle that chargez |
| 00:04.10 | cyn_ | Fare: direct cable -> handheld, no cradle |
| 00:04.24 | Fare | cyn_: do you manage to use tcp/ip over usb? |
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| 00:05.09 | thomax23 | http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html gives me a 404 |
| 00:06.19 | cyn_ | Fare: just use a wireless card, haven't played with any of that |
| 00:06.21 | cyn_ | afk dinnar |
| 00:06.36 | Fare | http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html -- I can see the page |
| 00:06.47 | thomax23 | i like to use gps via usb for wardriving and the cradle is unhandy |
| 00:06.55 | Fare | cyn_: how much did it cost? |
| 00:07.11 | Fare | sd or cf? |
| 00:08.57 | thomax23 | ok, have the page now. |
| 00:09.57 | thomax23 | again. is there a diy for a usb socket directly attached on the Z? |
| 00:11.27 | alobodig | Fare: I'd think 2.4.20. Not sure though. I haven't really got it to work myself. :) |
| 00:12.10 | Fare | I'm using 2.4.20 too |
| 00:12.22 | alobodig | thomax23: You'd like to connect a GPS to your Zaurus over USB? |
| 00:12.34 | Fare | thomax23: may be cable from the C700 works? |
| 00:13.06 | thomax23 | yepp, but i dont like to carry the cradle on my walks |
| 00:13.20 | thomax23 | its unhandy |
| 00:13.24 | alobodig | It works with the cradle? |
| 00:13.47 | zap-zero | anyone has any experience with GPS on the Z? |
| 00:13.55 | zap-zero | i can't get my serial gps device to work |
| 00:13.56 | thomax23 | didnt tried it but why not? |
| 00:14.05 | zap-zero | dunno |
| 00:14.08 | alobodig | It shouldn't. The Zaurus is a USB device. |
| 00:14.09 | zap-zero | maybe it needs some init stuff |
| 00:14.40 | zap-zero | i put it outside for several minutes, but it sent nothing over the serial line |
| 00:15.01 | zap-zero | shouldn't NMEA messages be sent automatically after it has found some satellites? |
| 00:15.20 | zap-zero | unfortunately, i've no laptop to test, and of course it won't work in-doors |
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| 00:15.59 | alobodig | You won't be able to hook up a GPS to the Zaurus using USB. Unless the GPS has a USB host controller, which wouldn't make any sense. |
| 00:16.10 | zap-zero | rite |
| 00:16.21 | zap-zero | i have a rs232 gps device |
| 00:16.33 | zap-zero | and an adapter cable for the z |
| 00:16.41 | zap-zero | modems work w/ it |
| 00:16.54 | alobodig | zap-zero: That was directed to thomax23, rs232 will work of course. |
| 00:16.59 | zap-zero | yeah |
| 00:17.02 | zap-zero | but it doesn't :( |
| 00:17.30 | zap-zero | maybe the voltage of the Z serial port is too low? |
| 00:17.37 | alobodig | Hmm, I guess I should go to my car, get my GPS and see if I can get mine to work. |
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| 00:17.48 | zap-zero | please! :) |
| 00:18.01 | alobodig | Okay, one sec. |
| 00:18.25 | thomax23 | once more. i hate the cradle. like to get rid of it. but like to have usb and serial without craddle. howto. whats the name of the connector and how are the connectors assigned? |
| 00:19.04 | zap-zero | thomax23: proprietary sharp connector afaik |
| 00:19.09 | zap-zero | dunno about layout |
| 00:19.23 | thomax23 | zap-zero: change your irc client |
| 00:19.43 | zap-zero | why? |
| 00:19.58 | thomax23 | <zap-zero> 768:18ff:17:0:0:0:0 PRIVMSG #openzaurus :why? |
| 00:20.08 | zap-zero | oh. |
| 00:20.22 | zap-zero | is that really my fault? |
| 00:20.28 | zap-zero | anyone? |
| 00:20.55 | zap-zero | maybe your lame client just can't handle ipv6 :P |
| 00:20.58 | thomax23 | maybe not. i use opie irc on the z. |
| 00:21.04 | zap-zero | ic |
| 00:21.10 | zap-zero | opie irc is pretty plain |
| 00:21.16 | zap-zero | doesn't even support /quit |
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| 00:21.42 | zap-zero | i ssh from zaurus and use epic |
| 00:22.06 | alobodig | thomax23: You don't need the cradle for serial |
| 00:22.23 | zap-zero | .oO(time to write an opie-irc-exploit) |
| 00:22.55 | thomax23 | can i make the serial on my own or is it inexpansive? |
| 00:23.16 | zap-zero | it's expensive |
| 00:23.23 | zap-zero | probably hard to make... |
| 00:23.55 | zap-zero | damn small pins |
| 00:23.59 | alobodig | zap-zero: Hmm, I think I will need a null-modem adapter to hook this up |
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| 00:24.23 | zap-zero | alobodig: oh... |
| 00:24.31 | zap-zero | so maybe i need one too |
| 00:24.43 | thomax23 | the connector is like those of the pcmcia ethernet pigtails but has view more pins |
| 00:24.45 | alobodig | thomax23: Not sure how expensive it is, but Sharp makes the CE-170TS serial cable for the Zaurus |
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| 00:25.25 | zap-zero | thomax23: though you should rather get a even more expensive third party cable with which you can still use keyboard |
| 00:25.36 | zap-zero | ZThinCable |
| 00:26.04 | alobodig | Yes, that's true |
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| 00:26.20 | alobodig | The Sharp one block the pull-out keyboard |
| 00:26.24 | alobodig | Very annoying |
| 00:27.14 | thomax23 | they dont spend time in customer satisfaction, do they? |
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| 00:27.49 | alobodig | thomax23: Yeah, you need a null-modem adapter |
| 00:28.46 | zap-zero | alobodig: you mean me? ok, i'll search one |
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| 00:29.10 | alobodig | Whoops, yeah, zap-zero |
| 00:29.37 | zap-zero | thanks for testing |
| 00:30.07 | zap-zero | does the device also send something when it can't find a sat? |
| 00:30.13 | alobodig | No problem, I was planning on getting that to work myself |
| 00:30.16 | zap-zero | or just after init'ing? |
| 00:30.55 | alobodig | Yeah. I have a Garmin GPS V and it sends fake data when it's in "Indoors" mode. |
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| 00:31.52 | zap-zero | cool, ok |
| 00:32.40 | thomax23 | kismet & wellenreiter doesnt play sound with oz |
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| 00:34.57 | thomax23 | do you know why? |
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| 00:43.48 | nichos | hey thomax23 did you get kismet gui working? |
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| 00:45.47 | thomax23 | yepp, but no beeps |
| 00:45.57 | nichos | i cant get it to install |
| 00:46.00 | nichos | i got the console working |
| 00:46.56 | nichos | where did u get the file from? |
| 00:46.59 | nichos | i always get invalid magic |
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| 00:47.25 | alobodig | I used to get that quite often |
| 00:47.46 | alobodig | Turned out to be a bad filesystem on the MMC card I was using |
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| 00:48.04 | nichos | hmmmm |
| 00:48.06 | nichos | its sd |
| 00:48.08 | nichos | run fsck? |
| 00:48.17 | alobodig | SD/MMC yes |
| 00:49.15 | alobodig | I don't know how much fsck will help. It should have VFAT on it. |
| 00:49.18 | thomax23 | i dont know the source (forgot it) |
| 00:50.12 | nichos | but then symlinks dont work |
| 00:50.25 | nichos | alobodig i made is ext2 |
| 00:50.33 | alobodig | Oh, then yes, fsck it. |
| 00:51.33 | nichos | would ext3 be better? |
| 00:52.34 | alobodig | Probably not |
| 00:52.48 | nichos | so your using vfat? |
| 00:52.49 | nichos | weird |
| 00:53.02 | alobodig | No, I'm using ext2 on it |
| 00:53.20 | nichos | any troubles? |
| 00:54.11 | alobodig | None that I've noticed. When it was VFAT, a windows machine crashed while writing to it and I believed that corrupeted the fs. |
| 00:54.16 | alobodig | *corrupted |
| 00:59.49 | nichos | damn, still invalid magic |
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| 05:00.56 | rick-o | I just reflashed, bash seems to be missing, and I don't have an ipk lying around for it. Anyone know where I can get it? |
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| 09:13.16 | Fare | hi again |
| 09:14.57 | Aimio | hi |
| 09:15.55 | Aimio | What's changed with the new sharp rom? can't connect, can't nmap it even? can ping under windows and linux though? |
| 09:20.55 | jdh41 | I know the kernel has changed and they've updated the documents tab. I suggest you try looking at the security options, and if that fails delve into the config files |
| 09:21.28 | jdh41 | maybe they've limited the address range you're allowed to connect from? |
| 09:21.53 | Fare | anyone has managed to get ip over usb ? I can't seem to get it working |
| 09:23.37 | jdh41 | Fare: you followed the setup guide? |
| 09:23.52 | jdh41 | can you ping an ip number rather than an address? |
| 09:24.00 | Aimio | my IP PC side is 192.168.129.1 |
| 09:24.06 | Aimio | can ping yes |
| 09:24.18 | jdh41 | can you ping the name. |
| 09:24.22 | Aimio | fare same here |
| 09:24.42 | Aimio | i can ping 192.168.129.201 , what else may i try? |
| 09:25.01 | jdh41 | I suggest you ssh to the zaurus |
| 09:25.23 | Aimio | ok, i try |
| 09:25.29 | jdh41 | if you can ping 192.168.129.200 (or .1 depending on set up) then you have a connection with the PC |
| 09:25.48 | jdh41 | if you can ping the PC's ip it exposes to the web then you can reach the web |
| 09:25.56 | jdh41 | (probably) |
| 09:26.48 | Aimio | ok, can't ssh in, no terminal in gui to fiddle. tried security settings, `clear passcode` is shaded out (this is new sharp rom remember) |
| 09:27.20 | jdh41 | sharp rom doesn't have an sshd by default |
| 09:27.23 | jdh41 | need to install one |
| 09:27.30 | Aimio | can't :( |
| 09:27.54 | jdh41 | you can get a ping response from it though? |
| 09:28.06 | Aimio | i suppose I gotta get a cf card + reader to get me outta this mess? |
| 09:28.11 | Aimio | i can ping yes |
| 09:28.23 | jdh41 | (note this is an OZ support channel and Sharp can probably do a better support job for their ROM) |
| 09:28.30 | Aimio | ok |
| 09:28.51 | Aimio | is trying to contact sharp a hopeful idea? |
| 09:29.07 | Fare | jdh41: where is the setup guide? |
| 09:29.12 | jdh41 | when I called them once they seemed very knowledgeable, that was the UK support number |
| 09:29.41 | jdh41 | http://www.linux-migration.org/ch05.html <--- For OZ |
| 09:29.44 | Aimio | ok, (I'm in UK too) i'll try and find that number |
| 09:29.44 | Fare | the Z side seems ok. I have trouble on the linux host side. |
| 09:30.01 | jdh41 | you need NAT in your kernel |
| 09:30.10 | jdh41 | and then add some bits to the routing table |
| 09:30.18 | jdh41 | as per that guide iirc |
| 09:30.25 | Aimio | don't suppose you got that UK number? |
| 09:31.11 | Aimio | :) |
| 09:31.22 | jdh41 | Sharp support number (UK): 08707 380000 |
| 09:31.30 | Aimio | :)) nice one :) |
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| 09:32.07 | Aimio | i need some sort of reg. number? because I bought 2nd hand |
| 09:32.11 | dj-submerge | hi folks |
| 09:32.39 | Fare | jdh41: thanks |
| 09:32.43 | jdh41 | They didn't ask me for one, but you will if you need to send it in? They support for a year after original purchase. |
| 09:33.08 | Aimio | great, np :) |
| 09:33.44 | dj-submerge | does someone sync his zaurus with evolution ? |
| 09:33.53 | Fare | which kernel do you use on the host side? |
| 09:34.31 | jdh41 | dj-submerge: I hear multisync is a good thing to look at, I've had zesync work for the calender too |
| 09:34.59 | jdh41 | Fare: what for? |
| 09:35.17 | Fare | the usbdnet support |
| 09:35.38 | dj-submerge | jdh41: well i wannted to try multisync but i couldn't compile the CVS version ( only CVS includes the OPIE-Zaurus modul) There was no makefile :( |
| 09:36.08 | dj-submerge | Fare: its an patch afaik its not included in any 2.4 per default |
| 09:36.16 | jdh41 | Fare: you have to patch a kernel with the usbdnet patch |
| 09:36.26 | jdh41 | though it is liable to cause kenerle panics when loaded |
| 09:36.54 | jdh41 | Apparently the best thing is to grab the usbnet code out of a 2.4.21 kernel as it is far more stable |
| 09:37.02 | jdh41 | and compile it with a 2.4.20 kernel |
| 09:38.21 | Fare | won't a 2.4.21-pre kernel be stable? |
| 09:38.28 | jdh41 | no idea |
| 09:38.47 | jdh41 | I couldn't get the patch to apply cleanly to the debian kernel src I had so just left it |
| 09:39.04 | jdh41 | anyhow, gtg. |
| 09:39.14 | Aimio | thx again |
| 09:39.56 | Aimio | I can't wait for kernel 2.6 so it's built in and no unresolved deps |
| 09:40.25 | dj-submerge | yeah ... |
| 09:42.10 | Fare | is -rc2-ac2 incremental over -rc2 ? |
| 09:42.33 | Fare | will there be 2.6? or 3.0? or maybe 5.0? |
| 09:48.25 | Aimio | (/me doesn't understand) |
| 09:49.44 | Fare | it's just about the numbering scheme |
| 09:50.17 | Fare | apple for instance avoids any versions 3 to 5 |
| 09:51.21 | Aimio | oic, I expect they'll follow the correct numbering like most linux software |
| 09:52.02 | Aimio | same here :/ |
| 09:52.15 | Aimio | what are you using? linux usbdnet + qtopia?# |
| 09:52.18 | Aimio | which rom? |
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| 09:54.03 | Aimio | Fare: so still having troubles with usbdnet then? |
| 09:54.16 | Fare | I'm not trying to compile -rc2-ac2 |
| 09:54.31 | anggarda | where can I get the standalone usbdnet? |
| 09:54.45 | Aimio | anggarda: patch? |
| 09:55.36 | Aimio | anggarda: http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/patches/ or with linux-2.5 something |
| 09:56.06 | Aimio | fare: what's -rc2-ac2? i thought that was a Z kernel? |
| 09:56.46 | anggarda | Aimio, thank you. Appreciated. |
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| 10:17.03 | Fare | Aimio: no, that's on the host side |
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| 11:07.02 | dj-submerge | is it possible to use usbnet instead of usbdnet ? I thought I've read once something |
| 11:15.10 | duplexer | Forget usb networking, get a wifi card :) |
| 11:17.36 | dj-submerge | yeah yeah... simply got no money at the moment |
| 11:33.28 | darmou | the problem with wi fi cards is that you need a wi fi hub and it takes away disk space check out http://www.wirelesscables.com/products/ZaurusWCI.html |
| 11:35.51 | darmou | Has anyone done any crosscompiling? |
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| 11:57.12 | jdh41 | darmou: see http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=84 |
| 11:57.47 | jdh41 | (mind you buildroot is a huge thing to download) |
| 11:57.52 | jdh41 | never mind compile |
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| 12:32.48 | darmou | thanks jdh41 the problem I am finding is that the configure script stops when it reaches something it can't test because it is crosscompiling ie configure: error: cannot check setpgrp when cross compiling |
| 12:36.43 | jdh41 | gah, I get back and he disapears. |
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| 13:06.23 | anggarda | errr...what is the oz url? |
| 13:07.12 | jdh41 | er http://www.openzaurus.org ? |
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| 13:10.20 | anggarda | thanks |
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| 13:15.12 | anggarda | is the oz capable of synching to the qt desktop? |
| 13:15.20 | pHluid | yep. |
| 13:16.44 | anggarda | I have a 24 mb CF, is that a problem? |
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| 13:29.47 | anggarda | whats with the 64 and 32mb? |
| 13:30.38 | pHluid | It's how you want your storage/memory split. As it says on the webpage. |
| 13:32.29 | anggarda | pHluid, thanks got it...I asked before I read. |
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| 13:34.56 | anggarda | does having 64 mb as memory gives me more opie apps or something? |
| 13:37.03 | pHluid | no. |
| 13:37.13 | pHluid | It gives you more free RAM. |
| 13:51.58 | thomax23 | hi, i like to buy this: http://www.trisoft.de/zstecker.htm and like to know how i can plug in a serial gps mouse with ps/2 power supply |
| 13:52.38 | thomax23 | do you know if there is a 5v pin on the cradle interface? |
| 13:52.55 | anggarda | question, both green and yellow lights are turn on now, am I supposed to do anything or wait for it to die |
| 13:53.06 | anggarda | The how to says wait 3 to 4 minutes. |
| 13:53.47 | anggarda | What are the signs that the flash was succesful? |
| 13:55.22 | thomax23 | wait |
| 13:55.56 | thomax23 | the leds turn off. after that you give it a reset again |
| 13:56.00 | anggarda | oh my god, its a beauty. |
| 13:56.18 | anggarda | Please wait: booting |
| 13:56.29 | thomax23 | that takes again a while |
| 13:56.31 | anggarda | Reconfiguring all packages installed to root......... |
| 13:56.49 | thomax23 | but look at this: http://www.trisoft.de/zstecker.htm |
| 13:57.10 | thomax23 | it's in german but the price is OK! |
| 13:57.42 | thomax23 | does anyone know if there is a 5v pin on the z-connector? |
| 14:01.28 | anggarda | thomax23, where can I get the apps for the OZ, I mean the word and spreadsheet? |
| 14:01.45 | thomax23 | do you have wireless? |
| 14:01.55 | anggarda | nope, |
| 14:02.24 | thomax23 | hmm.. some other network connect? |
| 14:03.19 | anggarda | I can't upload the file? |
| 14:03.32 | anggarda | I guess not...hold on let me get masq on the Z |
| 14:03.33 | thomax23 | what do you mean?\ |
| 14:04.57 | anggarda | the qtdesktop doensn't seem to recognise the oz now. |
| 14:05.52 | pHluid | Did you set it's IP back up? |
| 14:06.36 | anggarda | where at? |
| 14:06.39 | thomax23 | noone knows the pin assignment on the z-connector ??? |
| 14:06.57 | pHluid | Settings -> Network Connections... |
| 14:09.05 | anggarda | fiddling now. |
| 14:09.26 | anggarda | nofpu, what I meant to say is usb0 doesn't come up now. |
| 14:09.55 | anggarda | oh my oz froze. |
| 14:10.56 | WAnppa | Today's full of successes, soldered a power supply and didn't fry the Z, and I finally gave GTK+ working... |
| 14:11.19 | thomax23 | noone knows the pin assignment on the z-connector ??? |
| 14:15.00 | anggarda | oh my usb0 is not coming up because of a DHCPDISCOVER on usb0 to 255.255.255.255 |
| 14:18.13 | thomax23 | ok, there is 3v on pin 10. do you think this is ok for a gps ? |
| 14:18.31 | thomax23 | (in fact, it's 3.3v) |
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| 14:19.14 | anggarda | anyone, why is oz causing dhcp to be activated? |
| 14:19.22 | thomax23 | but the serial gps receivers come with ps/2 5v. do you think it will work anyway? |
| 14:20.19 | thomax23 | anggarda: kill udhcpc |
| 14:22.37 | thomax23 | OK!!!! who got a serial gps attached to the zaurus ? |
| 14:23.16 | zap-zero | i have, but i have the same problem as you... |
| 14:23.19 | zap-zero | power over ps/2 |
| 14:23.30 | zap-zero | so atm it's useless outside |
| 14:23.41 | zap-zero | i plan to make an adapter for my 5V battery pack to ps/2 |
| 14:24.25 | zap-zero | should probably even work connecting both the zaurus and gps to the power pack at the same time |
| 14:24.30 | anggarda | thomax23, on the oz or on my system? |
| 14:25.06 | thomax23 | zap-zero: i have the pinassignment now and i know where to buy the connectors. pin 11 (not 10) gives 3.3V. do you think this is enough for the gps receiver? |
| 14:26.20 | thomax23 | (connectors are about $10,00 each) |
| 14:27.16 | zap-zero | hm |
| 14:27.25 | zap-zero | no idea |
| 14:27.44 | zap-zero | i could try gps w/ 2 AA batteries :) |
| 14:27.56 | zap-zero | but atm i don't have time making a ps/2 adapter cable |
| 14:28.04 | thomax23 | bitte mach das doch einfach. |
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| 14:29.05 | zap-zero | dazu muesste ich nen ps/2 -> DIN adapter aufschlitzen, den ich fuer meine ibm tastatur dringend brauche ;) |
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| 15:56.03 | anggarda | I'm having difficulty getting oz to sync with qtopia desktop. Could someone help me out here. |
| 15:58.56 | jdh41 | I found I needed to go into security first and enable it to allow sync form all ips |
| 15:59.06 | jdh41 | then sync, then set it back to only from specific subnet |
| 15:59.11 | jdh41 | it worked ok after that |
| 15:59.36 | jdh41 | (You need to allow it when the Z pops up the box saying allow sync from this machine?) |
| 15:59.50 | jdh41 | also check ips |
| 16:00.11 | jdh41 | the sharp default is 192.168.129.1 but OZ wants to use 192.168.129.200 |
| 16:06.33 | anggarda | I ping 192.168.129.201 and I'll get the zaurus. |
| 16:06.48 | jdh41 | yes, sorry |
| 16:06.52 | jdh41 | am thinking of something else |
| 16:07.00 | jdh41 | that issue is the other way around |
| 16:08.02 | pHluid | hrm |
| 16:08.03 | anggarda | and in qtopia desktop -> settings -> USB connection method -> 192.168.129.201 |
| 16:08.10 | pHluid | is wellenreiter from the unstable feed broken? |
| 16:08.21 | pHluid | It installed with no probs, but doesn't launch when I try to run it |
| 16:08.51 | pHluid | or maybe it just needs a reboot ;[ |
| 16:09.02 | jdh41 | anggarda: ignore the comment about ips, that was about what the Z sees the desktop as |
| 16:09.14 | jdh41 | pHluid: no ideas myself |
| 16:09.57 | pHluid | installed some libs, so it probably needs a reboot |
| 16:11.47 | anggarda | got it, the security change worked. |
| 16:19.23 | anggarda | anyone knows if hancom office apps are available on the z? |
| 16:19.55 | pHluid | anggarda: They can be ripped from the Sharp ROMs |
| 16:20.08 | pHluid | But they're not (legally) available for download seperately |
| 16:20.19 | anggarda | ripped, that sound like hacking for another day. |
| 16:20.46 | pHluid | Aye, I need to do some of that stuff too |
| 16:20.51 | pHluid | I need to rip the Hancom apps |
| 16:20.54 | pHluid | Opera 6 |
| 16:20.57 | anggarda | recommedations though, what the media player of choice on the oz?? |
| 16:21.00 | pHluid | (well, try for Opera 6) |
| 16:21.01 | pHluid | etc |
| 16:21.08 | pHluid | mplayer2 or xmms |
| 16:24.48 | anggarda | *.ipk? |
| 16:24.55 | anggarda | not *.pkg? |
| 16:26.14 | pHluid | mmm yes... |
| 16:26.36 | anggarda | debian, hmm.. |
| 16:30.04 | pHluid | bastards |
| 16:30.23 | pHluid | sourceforge is "down for maintenance" again |
| 16:31.15 | zap-zero | move to savannah.gnu.org |
| 16:31.28 | zap-zero | sourceforge is partly evil |
| 16:32.09 | pHluid | all i wanna know is if anybody else can't get wellenreiter to run |
| 16:32.09 | pHluid | heh |
| 16:32.52 | zap-zero | yeah, wellenreiter from sourceforge runs, wellenreiter from oz doesn't |
| 16:34.07 | pHluid | Ahh, so it's just the feed builds that are broken? |
| 16:35.53 | anggarda | why is it that when I play an mp3 with xmms I can actually hear the music buzzing without plugin in the phones. |
| 16:36.44 | pHluid | xmms will use your buzzer if you don't plug in the headphones. |
| 16:37.49 | anggarda | oh...it requires me to plug and unplug is a couple of times before working. |
| 16:38.19 | pHluid | it's still pretty early in development, it's kind of buggy. |
| 16:43.57 | anggarda | could someone tell me the name of the app that shuts down your screen when you are playing music |
| 16:44.55 | zap-zero | app? |
| 16:45.10 | zap-zero | just set it to auto-screen-off after 30sec in light&power |
| 16:45.21 | anggarda | err...lol... |
| 16:45.24 | anggarda | hahaaa |
| 16:45.38 | anggarda | thank you zap-zero, once a long time ago there was an app. |
| 16:48.21 | anggarda | kergoth, you're the maintainer of the oz project right? |
| 16:49.00 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:49.27 | anggarda | Congratulations on putting together a glorious piece of work. |
| 16:49.35 | anggarda | and thank you. |
| 16:49.50 | kergoth | thanks. remember to thank the opie team.. without them you'd have a glorious console ;) |
| 16:50.18 | anggarda | will do, expect a mail of gratitude any time soon. |
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| 17:05.50 | pHluid | wellenreiter worked installing from the homepage feed. woot. |
| 17:06.13 | zap-zero | yeah |
| 17:06.18 | zap-zero | as i said, the oz one is b0rken |
| 17:06.22 | pHluid | aye |
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| 17:13.49 | effy-kun | is opie made with Qt? |
| 17:15.42 | ljp | qt embedded |
| 17:15.55 | ljp | opie is a fork of qtopia |
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| 18:15.01 | Triffid | Hello, I was wondering if anyone has ever tried using a wireless card with openzaurus |
| 18:15.20 | zap-zero | yes. |
| 18:15.29 | zap-zero | sandisk wireless cf card |
| 18:15.32 | zap-zero | works perfectly |
| 18:15.45 | zap-zero | the only deficit is that it has no antenna connector |
| 18:15.58 | Triffid | I am using LinkSys wireless network cf card |
| 18:16.13 | Triffid | should that one work? |
| 18:16.24 | zap-zero | what chipset? |
| 18:16.29 | zap-zero | prism works 100% |
| 18:17.04 | Triffid | chipset on the wireless card? where can I find that info? |
| 18:18.44 | Triffid | I read on the faq at openzaurus.org that there is some sort of bug with the wireless gui applet, I tried both what the faq said(#91) and editing /etc/network/interfaces manually |
| 18:19.10 | Triffid | but I wasn't sure if there was something I needed to reset after editing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:19.37 | Triffid | I tried ifdown/ifup, but know luck... the light on my wireless card just keeps flashing |
| 18:19.43 | Triffid | know = no |
| 18:22.33 | Triffid | ya there zap-zero? |
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| 18:36.49 | Triffid | anyone home? |
| 18:37.01 | hardwire | same crew.. different shit. |
| 18:37.31 | hardwire | did you plug in the card? |
| 18:37.43 | Triffid | step 1 complete |
| 18:38.15 | hardwire | did you watch it automatically connect to everything? |
| 18:38.48 | Triffid | the led on the cf card just blinks not stop |
| 18:38.59 | hardwire | did you bother setting up the card? |
| 18:39.13 | Triffid | I first tried using the "network" gui... |
| 18:39.23 | Triffid | but couldn't get it to work |
| 18:39.45 | Triffid | I noticed faq 91 on openzaurus.org so I tried using iwconfig... no luck |
| 18:40.12 | Triffid | then I took matters into my own hands and tried a manual edit of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:40.44 | Triffid | I was not sure though if I needed to restart the wireless card service (if there is such thing) or what not |
| 18:41.23 | hardwire | explaing gui no workie |
| 18:41.34 | Triffid | I know the settings are correct (essid, key, etc...) because I am using the same card on another zaurus that is installed with sharps rom |
| 18:41.55 | Triffid | no workie = the settings are not saved correctly to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:42.13 | hardwire | ah |
| 18:42.18 | hardwire | not sure if they are supposed to be ;) |
| 18:42.40 | hardwire | either way.. you don't have a link.. having /etc/network/interfaces correct isn't gonna help that |
| 18:42.58 | Triffid | ok... any idea what could help that? |
| 18:44.00 | hardwire | iwconfig |
| 18:44.02 | hardwire | ;) |
| 18:44.06 | hardwire | Triffid: do this |
| 18:44.22 | hardwire | ifconfig wlan0 (or whatever) 10.0.0.69 up |
| 18:44.37 | hardwire | that should set the wireless device into "Whats happenin" mode |
| 18:44.55 | hardwire | next we have to initiate the "wifi horizontally polarized polka" |
| 18:44.56 | ljp | whats happenin mode? |
| 18:45.41 | zap-zero | WHAT HAPPEN? - SOMEBODY SET UP US THE BOMB. |
| 18:45.45 | hardwire | hehe |
| 18:46.19 | Triffid | using 10.0.0.69 ipaddress? |
| 18:46.39 | hardwire | suuure |
| 18:46.43 | hardwire | any address |
| 18:46.48 | hardwire | just something real quick |
| 18:46.52 | Triffid | I entered the command |
| 18:46.54 | hardwire | just helping you diagnose stuff |
| 18:46.55 | hardwire | ok |
| 18:46.58 | hardwire | ifconfig |
| 18:47.04 | hardwire | does that show the interface is up now? |
| 18:47.37 | hardwire | iwconfig the device.. set the essid to any or.. if you are using wep.. you should promptly pull down your pants and touch your ankles |
| 18:47.55 | hardwire | thats an extension to "whats happenin mode" |
| 18:48.21 | Triffid | ok... |
| 18:48.30 | ljp | is that with the big guy with a big 'fro? |
| 18:49.40 | Triffid | light stopped blinking... forward progress |
| 18:50.02 | hardwire | yay for forward progress |
| 18:50.04 | hardwire | using dhcp? |
| 18:50.13 | Triffid | yes |
| 18:50.21 | hardwire | first check for signal quality |
| 18:50.21 | hardwire | iwconfig |
| 18:50.29 | hardwire | good signal quality? |
| 18:50.51 | pHluid | meh. anybody remember how to rip ip from a mac address? |
| 18:51.04 | Triffid | 46/92 |
| 18:51.07 | hardwire | pHluid: arp |
| 18:51.17 | hardwire | Triffid: right on |
| 18:51.25 | hardwire | now if you are using dhcp .. use it |
| 18:51.25 | zap-zero | that would be RAR |
| 18:51.27 | zap-zero | RARP |
| 18:51.30 | hardwire | RARP |
| 18:51.39 | zap-zero | does any device support that? |
| 18:51.59 | zap-zero | # rarp -a |
| 18:51.59 | zap-zero | This kernel does not support RARP. |
| 18:52.02 | hardwire | cisco catalysts do ;) |
| 18:52.08 | ljp | my cat goes rar sometimes |
| 18:52.16 | hardwire | easier to ping the entire subnet |
| 18:52.20 | hardwire | and use arp -n | grep macaddy |
| 18:52.48 | hardwire | Triffid: dunno what dhcp client you have |
| 18:52.51 | zap-zero | well... not THAT easy for 10.*.*.* and devices that don't respond to broadcast |
| 18:52.53 | hardwire | might be udhcpcd |
| 18:52.55 | hardwire | might be udhcpc |
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| 18:52.57 | hardwire | whatever |
| 18:52.59 | hardwire | or dhcpcd |
| 18:53.04 | Triffid | hardwire: use dhcp using dhcpc -i wlan0? |
| 18:53.14 | hardwire | I think dhcpc wlan0 |
| 18:53.19 | Triffid | hardwire: or ifconfig |
| 18:53.32 | hardwire | ifconfig can't start up a dhcp daemon |
| 18:54.16 | pHluid | Hrm. What if I don't know the subnet? :) |
| 18:54.45 | zap-zero | sniff |
| 18:54.49 | hardwire | pHluid: can you get mac addresses for subnets you aren't on ;) |
| 18:54.52 | hardwire | nooo |
| 18:55.10 | pHluid | hardwire: wardriving. |
| 18:55.10 | zap-zero | ? |
| 18:55.14 | hardwire | you need a router to get to those subnets |
| 18:55.19 | hardwire | pHluid: then you do this |
| 18:55.27 | hardwire | ifconfig wlan0 0.0.0.0 up |
| 18:55.35 | hardwire | tcpdump -i wlan0 -v -v -v -v -v -v -v -v -v |
| 18:55.35 | hardwire | hehe |
| 18:55.42 | hardwire | or.. you just install a network sniffer |
| 18:55.43 | pHluid | bend over, touch my ankles...? |
| 18:55.46 | hardwire | or use kismet to have it find the subnet |
| 18:56.16 | pHluid | kismet finds subnets? sumbitch. |
| 18:56.23 | hardwire | more or less.. just placing the wireless device into promisc mode and mucking around in the packets will tell you what subnet it is |
| 18:56.31 | hardwire | pHluid: yeah.. kismet with enough time can get the subnet |
| 18:56.46 | hardwire | just pump a loooot right before doing that.. and it will get the router all huffy and talky |
| 18:57.39 | pHluid | sweet. |
| 18:57.43 | pHluid | brb. |
| 18:57.47 | pHluid | going back to the parking lot. :) |
| 18:58.23 | hardwire | hahaha |
| 18:58.45 | zap-zero | hm |
| 18:58.54 | zap-zero | 0.0.0.0 only works for listening, doesn't it? |
| 18:59.06 | zap-zero | i.e. i can't use it to broadcast ping all subnets on wlan0 |
| 18:59.32 | hardwire | newp |
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| 19:05.35 | Triffid | hardwire: when I use "any" essid, I pickup some access point that isn't mine, must be in the office space next to mine :) |
| 19:05.54 | hardwire | haha |
| 19:05.57 | hardwire | uuuse it |
| 19:06.05 | Triffid | it must use wep, I tried |
| 19:06.20 | Triffid | could probably break it, but I don't know if I care that much |
| 19:07.23 | Triffid | so my real problem is is that I can't pick up my own access point when I spcifiy my essid directly |
| 19:08.49 | hardwire | hmm |
| 19:09.03 | hardwire | so that is a problem completely unrelated to openzaurus now |
| 19:09.03 | hardwire | ;( |
| 19:09.51 | pHluid | got it |
| 19:09.53 | Triffid | well... I have another zaurus running the sharp stuff sitting right next to the one in question that is working fine (same cf card & zaurus hardware) |
| 19:09.56 | pHluid | badabingbadaboom |
| 19:10.55 | hardwire | hehe |
| 19:11.24 | pHluid | fuckers |
| 19:11.53 | pHluid | weak ass wap attennaes ;[ |
| 19:12.04 | pHluid | antennaes. |
| 19:12.08 | pHluid | whatever. |
| 19:23.31 | Triffid | well, I am giving up for now... thanks for you help hardwire |
| 19:23.43 | Triffid | at least I know it works for one access point :) |
| 19:23.51 | hardwire | np |
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| 19:56.33 | alobodig | Is konqueror supposed to crash when I try to run it? |
| 19:57.49 | ljp | yes |
| 19:58.19 | alobodig | Oh good it works then |
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| 21:11.53 | alobodig | Does anyone have a URL to a recent ipk of Konqueror? |
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| 22:10.35 | Dr_Who | anyone here try to use tinylogin + openssh to slogin in ? |
| 22:11.06 | Dr_Who | get prompted for a password but it always comes back permission denied |
| 22:12.18 | zap-zero | what's tinylogin? |
| 22:12.21 | zap-zero | console only? |
| 22:12.35 | Dr_Who | part of busybox ... very small embedded login replacement |
| 22:13.19 | zap-zero | so when installed, one can boot w/o opie? |
| 22:13.41 | zap-zero | is the console res. enough for 80x25? |
| 22:14.20 | Dr_Who | it's one route... pretty raw tho |
| 22:15.22 | zap-zero | ? |
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| 23:53.53 | Fare | alleluia! ip-over-usb works!!!! |
| 23:54.02 | zap-zero | grats :) |
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