| 00:00.00 | Fare | kill kill! |
| 00:00.43 | ljp_laptop | whats a sync thing? |
| 00:01.00 | TheMasterMind1 | sonix`: known bug.. resume in cradle. fixed in next release |
| 00:01.10 | TheMasterMind1 | (i thought of the ingenious fix) |
| 00:01.11 | TheMasterMind1 | =D |
| 00:01.41 | Fare | in which package is mkswap? |
| 00:02.03 | Fare | ibot: mkswap? |
| 00:02.03 | | Fare: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:03.32 | ljp_laptop | ibot: yo momma! |
| 00:03.33 | | i don't know, ljp_laptop |
| 00:03.35 | TheMasterMind1 | ROFL |
| 00:03.38 | TheMasterMind1 | that was great |
| 00:03.46 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
| 00:04.12 | ljp_laptop | I dont have any ideas |
| 00:04.22 | ljp_laptop | I am out of ideas |
| 00:04.34 | ljp_laptop | where do I find me some new ideas? |
| 00:04.48 | ljp_laptop | dollar store? |
| 00:05.35 | sonix` | TMM1, thx. |
| 00:05.54 | sonix` | i get an error saying failed dep. libstdc++2 |
| 00:06.00 | sonix` | where do i find the ipk for that? |
| 00:06.05 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:06.06 | Fare | Package util-linux-mount wants to install file /sbin/swapon |
| 00:06.06 | Fare | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.11 | TheMasterMind1 | sonix`: what're you installing |
| 00:06.16 | sonix` | kismet |
| 00:06.18 | TheMasterMind1 | Fare: looks like ipkg screwed up |
| 00:06.20 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg SUCKS. |
| 00:06.24 | TheMasterMind1 | sonix`: um, where from |
| 00:06.26 | ljp_laptop | I wonder if the usb host on this vercel works |
| 00:06.29 | Fare | what should I do? |
| 00:06.40 | TheMasterMind1 | ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS check if OZ has a package for what you're trying to install first |
| 00:06.51 | Fare | these were OZ packages, you know |
| 00:06.52 | TheMasterMind1 | Fare: ipkg sucks. you should go kill the maintainer. |
| 00:06.56 | TheMasterMind1 | Fare: not you |
| 00:07.10 | TheMasterMind1 | sonix`: use the oz kismet package. the other one won't work, its made for sharp rom which uses an older ncurses |
| 00:07.11 | Fare | I suck too, you know |
| 00:08.16 | sonix` | TMM1, i cant find it |
| 00:08.52 | ljp_laptop | I thought you were the ipkg maintainer |
| 00:09.21 | Fare | damn, no mkswap anywhere! |
| 00:11.11 | ljp_laptop | heh chinese basketball player sues coke for 12 cents |
| 00:11.59 | Fare | 12 cents??? |
| 00:12.33 | ljp_laptop | yup |
| 00:12.35 | ljp_laptop | 1 yuan |
| 00:14.20 | ljp_laptop | good thing he didnt sue for 12 yen |
| 00:15.41 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 00:16.53 | ljp_laptop | chinese basketball player to attorney: uh, dude. I said, 12 million. |
| 00:18.13 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot convert 12 yen to usd |
| 00:22.09 | sonix` | TMM1, which web browser do u use on ur Z? |
| 00:22.20 | sonix` | I dont like Complex's Opie6 |
| 00:22.24 | sonix` | isnt there konqueror or something? |
| 00:26.16 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 00:26.18 | TheMasterMind1 | konq |
| 00:26.48 | ljp_laptop | links |
| 00:26.52 | sonix` | http://devel-home.kde.org/~hausmann/snapshots/ |
| 00:26.54 | sonix` | which one damnit |
| 00:27.45 | sonix` | 27 Jan sounds good |
| 00:27.55 | ljp_laptop | which ever one works |
| 00:28.31 | sonix` | fuc |
| 00:28.36 | sonix` | i have to build it on my PDA |
| 00:28.37 | sonix` | that sucks |
| 00:28.42 | sonix` | i'm finding another browser |
| 00:29.07 | Fare | what's wrong with konqi? |
| 00:29.37 | sonix` | Fare i have to make it on my pda |
| 00:30.27 | ljp_laptop | huh? |
| 00:34.20 | sonix` | FUCK |
| 00:34.22 | sonix` | it crashed again |
| 00:34.28 | sonix` | yo OZ straight up sucks yo |
| 00:34.52 | ljp_laptop | ~lart sonix |
| 00:35.41 | sonix` | whatever man |
| 00:35.53 | sonix` | this is the third time it crashed in the first hour i've had OZ on my Z. |
| 00:37.35 | sonix` | is there a free alternative to tkcjabber ? |
| 00:39.47 | sonix` | wtf, appearance doesnt do anything. |
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| 00:41.09 | pHluid\SI\ | http://home.nc.rr.com/phluid/opie_0.9.9/ <-- Few Opie 0.9.9 screenies. |
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| 01:07.28 | dcarmich | anyone used the VNC server in the openzaurus feed? |
| 01:08.39 | dcarmich | anyone here? |
| 01:09.13 | ljp_laptop | I havent used that in ages |
| 01:09.53 | dcarmich | how do you calibrate the touchscreen emulation daemon? |
| 01:10.01 | dcarmich | when I click in the vnc window, it's not accurate... |
| 01:10.51 | ljp_laptop | after you install it, and reboot, touch the top left and then bottom right. I think |
| 01:11.05 | ljp_laptop | or is it the top right and bottom left |
| 01:11.08 | ljp_laptop | hehe |
| 01:11.15 | dcarmich | I was never prompted... |
| 01:25.18 | ljp_laptop | nope it wont |
| 01:26.03 | dcarmich | how do you access the calibration? |
| 01:43.04 | sonix` | dcarmich settings. |
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| 01:55.40 | dcarmich | got a new problem...SL5500 and Linux box are talking..but I set an appointment for 10AM CDT.. |
| 01:55.51 | dcarmich | on Qtopia desktop 1.6.1...in the calendar it starts at 4AM CDT... |
| 01:55.57 | dcarmich | Time zone is the same (America/Chicago) on both sides... |
| 01:55.58 | dcarmich | what gives? |
| 01:59.09 | dcarmich | ?? |
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| 02:05.34 | dcarmich | SL5500 and Linux box are talking..but I set an appointment for 10AM CDT. |
| 02:05.38 | dcarmich | on Qtopia desktop 1.6.1...in the calendar it starts at 4AM CDT... |
| 02:05.44 | dcarmich | Time zone is the same (America/Chicago) on both sides... |
| 02:05.46 | dcarmich | what gives? |
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| 03:03.47 | mattcamp | Hello again. I read at http://people.debian.org/~mdz/zaurus/ that jffs2 is significantly less space-efficient than cramfs. Why is it considered so important to have a writable file system in ROM that OZ uses a less space-efficient FS? |
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| 03:33.23 | QuantumSpin | TMM1': Hey i see the 5% discount tell me more about it. |
| 03:33.45 | sonix` | QuantumSpin u a developer? |
| 03:33.59 | QuantumSpin | I will help out if it save me money :) |
| 03:34.05 | sonix` | haha |
| 03:34.06 | QuantumSpin | saves... |
| 03:34.32 | sonix` | well just email Dynamism. and tell them the situation |
| 03:35.45 | QuantumSpin | actaully i have been looking at adding some support but almost everything i can think of is done... except u guys might be able to tell me what to help out with. yes i am a developer just not for OZ (yet). I would be happy and plan on helping out anyway (with or w/o) |
| 03:36.17 | sonix` | wanna document shit? |
| 03:36.38 | QuantumSpin | NO!!! all true developers dont document ;) |
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| 03:37.00 | QuantumSpin | I guess if that is all but something more applied would be prefered. |
| 03:38.38 | sonix` | QuantumSpin if you want you can develop a nice app to be included in OZ. |
| 03:38.38 | QuantumSpin | well i am honest at least |
| 03:38.45 | QuantumSpin | like... |
| 03:38.52 | sonix` | stay put. |
| 03:38.56 | QuantumSpin | k |
| 03:38.58 | sonix` | how about this |
| 03:39.03 | sonix` | a homework manager. |
| 03:39.09 | sonix` | there's TODO |
| 03:39.11 | sonix` | humm |
| 03:39.12 | sonix` | oh! |
| 03:39.19 | sonix` | make something like tkcjabber. |
| 03:39.28 | sonix` | for opie. |
| 03:40.17 | QuantumSpin | I will look at it. That would be cool but i don't know the Jabber protocol but tell you what. i will look into it. any others? |
| 03:40.40 | sonix` | naah but i would be glad to do it with you |
| 03:40.46 | sonix` | it'd be sweet to make it. |
| 03:40.56 | sonix` | i personally havent dont any zaurus dev yet. |
| 03:41.05 | QuantumSpin | I will research it. |
| 03:41.15 | QuantumSpin | if i start i will notify you |
| 03:42.22 | QuantumSpin | what language and toolkit do you pref? just for opie? comandline version too? |
| 03:44.35 | sonix` | uuh |
| 03:44.39 | sonix` | why commandline |
| 03:44.45 | sonix` | i do C++. |
| 03:45.11 | QuantumSpin | me too. just wondering if you were one of those C only guys. |
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| 03:45.57 | QuantumSpin | commandline lets people integrate the Jabber client and port it to other ifaces. |
| 03:46.19 | QuantumSpin | of coarse opie would be the default GUI. |
| 03:46.35 | QuantumSpin | how familiar are you with opie |
| 03:46.50 | sonix` | i just built the example program and edited it a bit |
| 03:46.54 | sonix` | didnt do much really |
| 03:47.22 | QuantumSpin | since i do not yet own a zaurus (waiting for 760) is their a good test env? |
| 03:47.27 | QuantumSpin | for desktop? |
| 03:47.29 | sonix` | yeah |
| 03:47.33 | sonix` | you can use qvfb |
| 03:47.39 | sonix` | qtopia virtual frame buffer. |
| 03:47.41 | sonix` | simulate opie. |
| 03:47.43 | sonix` | err |
| 03:47.46 | sonix` | the zaurus |
| 03:47.58 | QuantumSpin | ohh.. any good docs on how to use it |
| 03:48.07 | sonix` | docs.zaurus.com |
| 03:48.08 | sonix` | http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?SourceCode |
| 03:49.30 | QuantumSpin | thanks a ton. I look foward to this (possibly). Another app i was looking at building was a TI calculator emu. I started it for winCE (i have a PocketPC) but scrapt it because i decide i nedded a zaurus instead. |
| 03:49.47 | sonix` | there's one for the TI85 |
| 03:50.28 | QuantumSpin | ya but i want TI-89 or better (i like the symbolic algebra) |
| 03:50.37 | sonix` | yeah i love my TI-89. |
| 03:50.45 | sonix` | but sounds like it migh tbe a tough project |
| 03:50.47 | sonix` | but interesting. |
| 03:51.03 | QuantumSpin | not to much... i know the code pretty well. |
| 03:51.10 | sonix` | wonderful. |
| 03:51.14 | sonix` | get crackin'! |
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| 03:51.22 | QuantumSpin | it is mostly optimization and endianess to chack |
| 03:51.26 | sonix` | QuantumSpin do you have a linux box? |
| 03:51.36 | sonix` | i've seen a guide on how to setup qtopia on Cygwin once |
| 03:51.39 | sonix` | it was in japanese tho |
| 03:51.46 | QuantumSpin | but i don't think i am ready to port it yet. I think that might be my second project |
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| 04:43.57 | QuantumSpin | sonix`: i have plenty of linux boxes... hate windows but i am "forced" to use it at work sometimes when someone asigns me a quick VB side task. other than that all linux. |
| 04:47.06 | sonix` | good. |
| 04:47.19 | QuantumSpin | and you? |
| 04:47.28 | sonix` | windows/linux |
| 04:47.36 | sonix` | i'm sick of suse tho. |
| 04:48.01 | QuantumSpin | same i like gentoo but do not have broad band any more :( |
| 04:48.55 | sonix` | i wanted to use gentoo but it crapped on me |
| 04:49.03 | sonix` | th elive cd wont boot |
| 04:49.04 | sonix` | how sad... |
| 04:49.36 | QuantumSpin | it has improve much. I use it at work though. great. ahve been using it since 1.2 to the 1.4 rc's |
| 04:50.03 | QuantumSpin | how old is your machine? |
| 04:50.47 | sonix` | its new. |
| 04:50.57 | sonix` | 1600+ |
| 04:51.01 | sonix` | Athlon XP |
| 04:51.03 | QuantumSpin | built it your self? |
| 04:51.09 | sonix` | yeah. |
| 04:51.19 | QuantumSpin | hmm. try a BIOS update. |
| 04:51.28 | sonix` | no bios updates. |
| 04:51.53 | QuantumSpin | does it even read that the cds are bootable or fail later |
| 04:52.15 | sonix` | it reads |
| 04:52.16 | sonix` | but |
| 04:52.21 | sonix` | i get a kernel crash |
| 04:52.56 | QuantumSpin | what does it say |
| 04:53.00 | sonix` | humm |
| 04:53.03 | sonix` | i have to write it down. |
| 04:53.07 | sonix` | how long are you staying here |
| 04:53.10 | sonix` | do you have AIM or something? |
| 04:54.01 | QuantumSpin | no.. but i do have email if you want brianmitchell@mail.weber.edu or just wait till i get back. right now i am staying up doing homework. |
| 04:54.39 | QuantumSpin | i will be here at least another hour. i will try to leave the IRC client runnig too. |
| 04:55.51 | sonix` | ok lemme write it down for you |
| 04:55.52 | sonix` | stay put. |
| 04:58.04 | sonix` | QuantumSpin am I supposed to boot basic or x86 livecd? |
| 04:59.47 | QuantumSpin | ?? livecd is the most "full proof" is you use out of date or odd distro tools. the stages can technically start at any stage. but you will have to have free partition space if you do not boot off of the CD. other than that try the livecd boot first normal (no kernel options). |
| 05:00.16 | sonix` | heh |
| 05:00.17 | sonix` | it wont work |
| 05:00.18 | sonix` | trust me |
| 05:00.24 | sonix` | it must be my hpt374 controller. |
| 05:00.30 | sonix` | do you know of any known issues with it? |
| 05:00.30 | QuantumSpin | what does it say?? |
| 05:00.49 | sonix` | one sec |
| 05:00.51 | sonix` | lemme reboot |
| 05:00.53 | QuantumSpin | not sure i would like to see the kernel panix minus hex stuff |
| 05:00.59 | sonix` | heh |
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| 05:07.38 | sonix|lappy_tapp | QuantumSpin |
| 05:07.42 | sonix|lappy_tapp | i'm wrong! |
| 05:07.49 | sonix|lappy_tapp | i think cuz i didnt do doataraid |
| 05:07.56 | sonix|lappy_tapp | humm.... |
| 05:08.09 | sonix|lappy_tapp | net-config eth0 doesnt work tho |
| 05:08.45 | QuantumSpin | what card and do u have ata-raid, if so what levels 0,1,5,10,50 |
| 05:08.56 | sonix|lappy_tapp | its just an IDE drive |
| 05:09.03 | sonix|lappy_tapp | i dont have a raid array |
| 05:09.15 | QuantumSpin | ok that was probably it then |
| 05:09.30 | sonix|lappy_tapp | that realtek chipset, is it 8139too module? |
| 05:09.47 | QuantumSpin | is you IP addr set static or via DHCP |
| 05:09.59 | sonix|lappy_tapp | dhcp |
| 05:10.04 | sonix|lappy_tapp | ifconfig doesnt show eth0 |
| 05:10.47 | QuantumSpin | realtek.. um check the gentoo forums on that. I can't recall the module name. anyway good luck with that. |
| 05:11.18 | sonix|lappy_tapp | how do I check if my hd is loaded properly? |
| 05:11.48 | QuantumSpin | detected or mounted? |
| 05:12.10 | sonix|lappy_tapp | detected |
| 05:12.34 | QuantumSpin | try fdisk /dev/hda (just don't write any change yet :) |
| 05:13.05 | QuantumSpin | it should show you drive partition setup of whatever is already installed |
| 05:14.10 | sonix|lappy_tapp | c'mooon dhcp!!! |
| 05:14.23 | QuantumSpin | that is at least my check method. you can try a few other tricks but this also shows you which drive if you have many |
| 05:14.33 | sonix|lappy_tapp | k |
| 05:14.44 | QuantumSpin | what does lsmod say? |
| 05:17.20 | sonix|lappy_tapp | 8139too, strip, slhc, mii, dummy, aronetproc, aronet core, 8390, cloop |
| 05:17.58 | sonix|lappy_tapp | grrr! cant reach network |
| 05:18.10 | QuantumSpin | ifconfig? |
| 05:18.29 | sonix|lappy_tapp | its up |
| 05:18.38 | QuantumSpin | with what ip |
| 05:18.38 | sonix|lappy_tapp | dhcpcd didnt work |
| 05:18.42 | QuantumSpin | k |
| 05:18.44 | sonix|lappy_tapp | i did it manually |
| 05:19.04 | QuantumSpin | so just lists a MAC or no eth0 at all? |
| 05:19.25 | sonix|lappy_tapp | i see eth0 |
| 05:19.30 | sonix|lappy_tapp | i just cant ping anything |
| 05:19.49 | QuantumSpin | does it ping your router? |
| 05:20.14 | sonix|lappy_tapp | no |
| 05:20.52 | QuantumSpin | then it is not configured properly or you have some bad netowrking equipment. hopefully the first. |
| 05:21.23 | QuantumSpin | does ifconfig give a IPv4 address? |
| 05:21.29 | QuantumSpin | that is for eth0 not lo |
| 05:21.44 | sonix|lappy_tapp | 192.168.0.10 |
| 05:21.48 | sonix|lappy_tapp | i did that manually |
| 05:22.40 | QuantumSpin | now you need to tell it where to route... give me a sec to find something |
| 05:24.17 | QuantumSpin | k... try: /sbin/route add -net default gw [insert your router's ip here] netmask 0.0.0.0 metric 1 eth0 |
| 05:25.04 | sonix|lappy_tapp | i cant even ping my gateway |
| 05:25.39 | QuantumSpin | try what i put up there. if that does not work... i will have to give it more thought. |
| 05:26.47 | sonix|lappy_tapp | SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 05:27.09 | QuantumSpin | the draw back of static is that you won't get the IPs of your ISP's DNS servers automatically. you will have to enter them in /etc/resolv.conf by hand like nameserver 4.5.6.7 |
| 05:27.38 | QuantumSpin | ?? that is an error you get with that command line ?? |
| 05:27.42 | sonix|lappy_tapp | QuantumSpin why should this work when i cant ping anything other than myself? |
| 05:27.44 | sonix|lappy_tapp | yes. |
| 05:28.56 | QuantumSpin | ifonfig is internal ip stuff until you use route to use it on a network. but something is wrong still |
| 05:29.35 | QuantumSpin | reboot and try again... w/o the autoconfig. |
| 05:29.50 | sonix|lappy_tapp | how do i unload a module? |
| 05:30.29 | QuantumSpin | rmmod module |
| 05:30.41 | QuantumSpin | use man module for more info |
| 05:31.39 | QuantumSpin | If you have to many more problems try going to #gentoo or use their online install guide |
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| 09:36.42 | Fare | hum |
| 09:36.50 | Fare | All I find in http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ is a README |
| 09:36.55 | Fare | where has the stuff migrated? |
| 09:37.07 | Fare | FAQ 84 is broken |
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| 09:44.43 | jdh41 | Fare: Can you build the tool chain with buldroot, or do you want me to make it avaliable to you (I have a version on this machine) |
| 09:48.47 | Fare | I dunno. |
| 09:48.54 | Fare | I was looking for a FAQ |
| 09:49.39 | Fare | I suppose the Right Thing (tm) would be to tell me where is an updated FAQ, or give me the elements to update the FAQ for everyone to benefit |
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| 09:56.19 | jdh41 | don't know about that, that FAQ worked for me and the stuff was there when I went to get it about 3-4 weeks ago |
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| 10:52.19 | schurig | Fare could have had looked into the old/ directories ... |
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| 12:33.04 | schurig | johaBBa: that was a quick visit in #openembedded :-) |
| 12:33.24 | johaBBa | schurig: yeah, i need support...and i actually read the topic :D |
| 12:33.39 | johaBBa | schurig: actually, all i need is the 'make' command on my Z |
| 12:33.55 | schurig | johaBBa: hmm, no once made package of this yet. |
| 12:34.08 | schurig | at least not to my knowlegde. |
| 12:34.22 | schurig | maybe the killefiz website has more info |
| 12:34.30 | johaBBa | schurig: i'm trying to install a MUD on my Z...the tarball is really simple..it only needs C i think. |
| 12:34.53 | schurig | johaBBa: ok, then you need more but make, e.g. a crosscompiler |
| 12:35.09 | schurig | johaBBa: and you actually don't need make, because you can use the make on your x86 box |
| 12:35.32 | johaBBa | schurig: i tried that...must make on my RH 7.3 box... |
| 12:35.37 | schurig | johaBBa: or do you really want to compile ON your Z? That would be slow as ... |
| 12:35.39 | johaBBa | must = just |
| 12:35.56 | johaBBa | schurig: nah...if i can compile it on another box...that's fine. |
| 12:36.21 | johaBBa | schurig: i could give you a link to the MUD tarball and you take a peek.....? |
| 12:36.39 | schurig | johaBBa: what I would do in your case (althought it costs some time) is do get the buildroot-environment of OZ. The you get automatically a crosscompiler, a glibc for arm and other libraries your game might need (e.g. ncurses) and the proper include files |
| 12:36.51 | schurig | johaBBa: nay, I have better things to do |
| 12:36.58 | schurig | ibot: oz |
| 12:36.58 | | well, oz is see openzaurus or http://www.openzaurus.org/ or /join #openzaurus |
| 12:37.02 | schurig | ibot: oz bk |
| 12:37.02 | | it has been said that oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 12:37.22 | johaBBa | ah...thanks |
| 12:37.24 | schurig | johaBBa: there is some page that describes this on the openzaurus.org web site, in the FAQ |
| 12:37.38 | schurig | feel free to ask questions once you're stuck |
| 12:37.41 | Joelw | schurig: Hmm, is the cross compiler a menuconfig option in buildroot? I think mine complained when I didn't have one, so I downloaded it and the kernel compilation failed for some obscure reason. |
| 12:37.54 | johaBBa | ok...thanks |
| 12:38.14 | schurig | Joelw: it is a menuconfig option. And it is downloadable. I for example use the 2.95.3 arm-linux-gcc from www.arm.linux.org.uk |
| 12:38.22 | Joelw | Okay, cheers :) |
| 12:38.30 | Joelw | Isn't 3.x better for XScale processors? |
| 12:38.45 | schurig | Joelw: yes, it is. But worse for kernel-compiles ... |
| 12:39.09 | Joelw | Really? Fair enough. Is it easy to compile the kernel with 2.95.3 and the rest of the tools with 3.3? |
| 12:39.16 | ljp_laptop | and worse for zaurus compatible apps |
| 12:42.27 | johaBBa | wow...the buildroot process looks ugly... |
| 12:50.57 | schurig | johaBBa: what is ugly? It *IS* complicated, I agree. But ugly ... |
| 12:56.06 | johaBBa | schurig: how about this: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?GCCBinaries |
| 12:57.44 | schurig | johaBBa: if it works, good for you. But usually programs need additional libraries in *.a format, e.g. ncurses, zlib, sdl, qt, whatever |
| 12:58.48 | schurig | johaBBa: so a buildroot would be the better answer. And, assuming you survive and create a package openzaurus (basically a subdirectory in packages) with your MUD client, then anybody can create an IPK for this mud, so other people would benefit as well |
| 12:59.08 | schurig | johaBBa: and you could get Bitkeeper write access (kergoth is not sitting on those accounts like a duck on their eggs) |
| 12:59.50 | johaBBa | hrm....giving back, eh...that's always a good thing. |
| 13:00.08 | johaBBa | but it's a mud server, not a client... |
| 13:00.16 | johaBBa | i'll try the buildroot.... |
| 13:00.45 | schurig | johaBBa: ok, a mud server usually don't need ncurses. But maybe zlib for the stored game files. |
| 13:00.55 | schurig | johaBBa: you want to run a mud *SERVER* on your Z? |
| 13:01.12 | schurig | hmm, it's possible, but why would one want to do that? |
| 13:01.27 | johaBBa | schurig: kinda...for testing and development...so i can build areas and work on my mud on the go. |
| 13:01.44 | schurig | johaBBa: hehe, you must be a nerd :-) |
| 13:02.03 | johaBBa | schurig: then, copy the .c files and area files back to the real server when i'm done |
| 13:02.13 | johaBBa | no...i'm a gEEk...get it straight ;) |
| 13:02.26 | johaBBa | schurig: at least that's what is says on my money clip. |
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| 13:06.45 | wijnand | heh, hi pHluid =) |
| 13:07.25 | pHluid | Stalker. ;[ |
| 13:07.33 | wijnand | lol |
| 13:08.01 | wijnand | and i try *so* hard to blend in! |
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| 13:42.39 | johaBBa | can someone help me with the buildroot process? i've read the OZ faq, but I don't have the bk command on my linux box |
| 13:43.01 | Twiun | johaBBa: obtain bk (bitkeeper) at www.bitkeeper.com |
| 13:43.52 | schurig | johaBBa: buildroot questions can also be asked in #openembedded :-) |
| 13:45.33 | johaBBa | okie |
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| 14:00.02 | DrBoB | what's the channel for general Z chatter? |
| 14:00.20 | hardwire | #zauruschatter |
| 14:00.39 | DrBoB | lol |
| 14:00.56 | hardwire | i don't think there is one that you aren't already in |
| 14:01.19 | TheMasterMind1 | #zaurus |
| 14:01.46 | DrBoB | OK thanks |
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| 14:36.20 | pHluid | http://home.nc.rr.com/phluid/opie_0.9.9/proofoflife.png |
| 14:36.31 | pHluid | it's depressing to see the kernel version on that screenie |
| 14:36.31 | pHluid | heh |
| 14:42.40 | hardwire | no kidding |
| 14:43.19 | hardwire | I like the continuity in the icon/logos too |
| 14:43.30 | hardwire | nothing you can do about that..just looks funny |
| 14:45.10 | absentiaS | I love the dir |
| 14:45.15 | absentiaS | fv<king finally |
| 14:45.15 | absentiaS | heheh |
| 14:45.48 | pHluid | 0.9.9 owns me |
| 14:45.56 | pHluid | Everything that is broken in 0.9.3 is fixed |
| 14:45.59 | pHluid | It's way faster |
| 14:46.10 | pHluid | Looks a hell of a lot better, with the bitstream fonts and stuff |
| 14:47.39 | wijnand | which ver is in OZ 3.2? |
| 14:47.56 | pHluid | 0.9.3 |
| 14:48.03 | wijnand | ah |
| 14:48.09 | wijnand | might want to update then |
| 14:48.26 | pHluid | Good luck. |
| 14:48.30 | wijnand | is it hard? |
| 14:48.40 | pHluid | Depends |
| 14:48.42 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm |
| 14:48.45 | wijnand | on my iq? |
| 14:48.46 | pHluid | It was a lot of trial and error for me |
| 14:48.46 | TheMasterMind1 | new opie is nicer eh? |
| 14:48.54 | wijnand | oh... that sounds promising |
| 14:48.54 | pHluid | Mostly caused by the fact that ipkg sucks a mean dick |
| 14:49.10 | pHluid | TMM1: Much. |
| 14:49.10 | wijnand | doesnt matter, i'll just flash if it fails |
| 14:49.24 | pHluid | I should post instructions on updating to the users list |
| 14:49.30 | pHluid | I think I'll do that now, actually. |
| 14:49.48 | TheMasterMind1 | yes, ipkg sucks |
| 14:49.49 | wijnand | if you could tell me where to find the users list i'd be much obliged |
| 14:49.52 | TheMasterMind1 | and i'm too lazy to fix it |
| 14:49.54 | TheMasterMind1 | i hate myself |
| 14:50.36 | pHluid | wijnand: http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/openzaurus |
| 14:50.38 | pHluid | click Lists |
| 14:50.49 | wijnand | thanks |
| 14:51.19 | wijnand | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.20 | wijnand | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.23 | wijnand | heh |
| 14:51.28 | pHluid | sucka |
| 14:53.24 | TheMasterMind1 | hahahahaha |
| 14:53.29 | TheMasterMind1 | pHluid: attack hamster is AWESOME |
| 14:53.34 | TheMasterMind1 | my new backgroud! |
| 14:53.43 | absentiaS | get that all the time |
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| 15:06.31 | pH1uid | Instructions posted to the list |
| 15:07.32 | wijnand | the users list right? |
| 15:07.37 | pHluid | yah |
| 15:09.26 | wijnand | best refresh then |
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| 15:09.58 | wijnand | hmmm |
| 15:10.08 | pHluid- | stupid fucking road runner. |
| 15:10.14 | wijnand | top post is about opie-mediaplayer2 |
| 15:10.23 | pHluid- | yeh, the archive is dog slow. |
| 15:10.28 | wijnand | ah ok |
| 15:10.38 | pHluid- | http://home.nc.rr.com/phluid/opie_0.9.9/opie_0.9.9.txt |
| 15:10.50 | pHluid- | no line breaks though |
| 15:10.51 | wijnand | thanks |
| 15:10.54 | pHluid- | so have fun reading it. |
| 15:10.58 | wijnand | heh |
| 15:11.05 | wijnand | its like reading pdfs on the Z |
| 15:11.26 | pHluid- | Highlight it and copy it into a text editor or something to word wrap it |
| 15:11.26 | pHluid- | heh |
| 15:12.39 | wijnand | hmm that may work on the Z too |
| 15:16.54 | wijnand | pHluid it doesnt seem to be hard at all |
| 15:17.01 | pHluid | it's not |
| 15:17.06 | pHluid | it's just that it can hose your box |
| 15:17.10 | wijnand | although i must say it would be easier if i had a wlan card :P |
| 15:17.13 | pHluid | so you have to be prepared to reflash |
| 15:17.27 | pHluid | I have wired and wireless cards |
| 15:17.28 | pHluid | so |
| 15:17.29 | pHluid | heh |
| 15:17.52 | wijnand | heh |
| 15:18.06 | wijnand | i can just download the lot and drop them on my CF card cant i? then follow the same procedure |
| 15:18.12 | pHluid | Yah |
| 15:18.20 | pHluid | I'm not sure how to tell ipkg to use a local feed |
| 15:18.22 | pHluid | But I know you can do it |
| 15:18.31 | wijnand | ill figure it out |
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| 19:13.59 | Fare | is there anti-aliasing in OZ ? |
| 19:14.35 | pHluid | I suppose by OZ you mean Opie. |
| 19:15.06 | Fare | I suppose, too |
| 19:15.18 | Fare | unless you can have a different GUI with OZ ? |
| 19:15.24 | pHluid | PicoGUI. |
| 19:15.31 | pHluid | Qtopia would probably run, too. |
| 19:15.46 | pHluid | #opie would be a better place to ask. |
| 19:15.49 | Fare | does any of these have a graphical browser with AA fonts? |
| 19:16.05 | pHluid | http://home.nc.rr.com/phluid/opie_0.9.9/gotfonts.png |
| 19:17.22 | pHluid | jealous? |
| 19:17.23 | pHluid | :P |
| 19:17.26 | Fare | yes I am |
| 19:17.40 | Fare | can konqi be configured to use big AA fonts, too? |
| 19:18.05 | pHluid | Opera's fonts look nice, but I dunno how they're being handled |
| 19:18.18 | Fare | where can I download an Opera? |
| 19:18.20 | pHluid | I dunno about Konq/E cause I used it for all of like 2 minutes before i junked it |
| 19:18.29 | Fare | the Netfront that comes with the C700 *sucks* |
| 19:18.49 | Fare | not only no AA -- it f*cking strips HTML documents to 65534 bytes!!!! |
| 19:19.28 | pHluid | Wait |
| 19:19.32 | pHluid | Are you on a C700? |
| 19:19.35 | Fare | yes |
| 19:19.39 | pHluid | Ah, sucka |
| 19:19.50 | Fare | why so? |
| 19:19.55 | Fare | ok, it's got too little RAM |
| 19:20.12 | Fare | and the cache is read-only |
| 19:20.23 | QuantumSpin | OZ now works well though (i am looking at the 760 though) |
| 19:20.49 | Fare | QuantumSpin: you have OZ on the 760? |
| 19:20.56 | Fare | is the 760 out already??? |
| 19:21.07 | QuantumSpin | no. the 760 is not out. i am getting one :) |
| 19:21.27 | QuantumSpin | but i have looked at the code and the kernel supports are already in |
| 19:22.25 | Fare | If I can, I'll resell my C700 in France, and buy a 760 |
| 19:23.07 | QuantumSpin | the 760 fixes all of the things that bugged me about the 700. memory battey etc... |
| 19:23.42 | Fare | yes |
| 19:24.05 | Fare | If I can get the Jornada 820 to run on Linux, I think I'll prefer it to the C700 |
| 19:24.58 | QuantumSpin | well i like the 640x480 res :) i am a screen space hog |
| 19:25.08 | Fare | so am I |
| 19:25.18 | Fare | that's why the only competitor is the Jornada 820 |
| 19:25.29 | Fare | the form factor of the 820 is much bigger though |
| 19:25.43 | Fare | (the upside is it batteries last over 10 hours - at least under Windows) |
| 19:25.57 | QuantumSpin | what are the stats |
| 19:26.25 | Fare | see my page http://fare.tunes.org/computing/ |
| 19:26.41 | Fare | I have a 820 page and a C700 page. |
| 19:26.54 | Fare | problem is: still no Linux for the 820 |
| 19:27.07 | Fare | however, kernel developer sought |
| 19:27.16 | pHluid | where oh where is my wifi card ;[ |
| 19:28.21 | QuantumSpin | a little low on RAM but i like the battery life. |
| 19:30.01 | Fare | yup |
| 19:30.19 | Fare | now the problem is to have linux run on it |
| 20:08.31 | Fare | what packages must I install for more big AA fonts? |
| 20:08.55 | pHluid | Did you install the bitstream fonts? |
| 20:08.59 | Fare | vera |
| 20:09.09 | Fare | is there anything else? |
| 20:09.29 | pHluid | In the OZ feed, I dunno. |
| 20:09.56 | Fare | in the opie feed? |
| 20:10.07 | pHluid | There's like 6 in the Opie feed. |
| 20:10.15 | Fare | Feeds are ok - but what about a brewery? |
| 20:10.38 | pHluid | Helvetica and Vera are the big ones, the rest are small fonts (smooth fixed, smooth small, micro) |
| 20:10.42 | Fare | is it ok to just add the opie URL in the feed list? |
| 20:10.49 | pHluid | yah. |
| 20:10.55 | Fare | which is it already? |
| 20:11.07 | pHluid | Which is what already? |
| 20:16.44 | Fare | the URL of the opie feed? |
| 20:17.24 | Fare | what editor do you use? |
| 20:17.28 | Fare | is there an emacs? |
| 20:18.32 | pHluid | I use pico or the text editer with Opie. Or Hancom Word. |
| 20:19.13 | pHluid | http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/openzaurus/ |
| 20:19.24 | pHluid | append 0.9.9 or 0.9.3 as appropriate |
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| 20:43.05 | pHluid | So um |
| 20:43.08 | pHluid | Out of curiousity |
| 20:43.16 | pHluid | if I accidentally download something to the CF card |
| 20:43.26 | pHluid | ...only the CF card isn't actually there... |
| 20:43.40 | pHluid | how does that work? Just throws it in /mnt/cf on the root? |
| 20:43.48 | Fare | you get I/O errors, I suppose |
| 20:44.01 | pHluid | Nah, file works fine. Heh. |
| 20:44.02 | Fare | depends |
| 20:44.05 | nofpu | into /mnt/cf if there's room, yup |
| 20:44.07 | pHluid | Must just throw it in root |
| 20:44.07 | Fare | is /mnt/cf mounted or not? |
| 20:44.13 | pHluid | just seems odd. |
| 20:44.19 | Fare | if not, it's thrown into root |
| 20:44.22 | pHluid | Fare: Hard to mount since the CF card isn't it |
| 20:44.29 | pHluid | Yeh, it's stupid now that I think about it |
| 20:44.34 | pHluid | Just had me all "um...wtf" for a sec |
| 20:44.35 | Fare | btw, how can I disable the automatic document finder in opie? |
| 20:44.44 | pHluid | Medium Mount in settings |
| 20:45.11 | Fare | thanks! |
| 20:45.54 | pHluid | hrm. |
| 20:46.06 | Fare | btw, how does it detect new media? by polling? by hacking the mount binary to send a signal? by select()ing something in /proc ? |
| 20:46.10 | pHluid | Moved a file from internal flash to SD and it's 1/4th the size of the original |
| 20:46.12 | pHluid | that sucks. |
| 20:46.32 | Fare | pHluid: size as shown by ls or by du? |
| 20:46.59 | pHluid | AdvancedFM, confirmed with an ls |
| 20:47.00 | pb_ | Fare: with dnotify, maybe? not sure if that works with mountpoints, though. |
| 20:47.48 | nofpu | different filesystems have different block sizes - perhaps you're seeing an effect of that? |
| 20:48.16 | pHluid | nofpu: I doubt Opera 6 shrunk to 400k. |
| 20:48.26 | Fare | no man page for dnotify |
| 20:48.35 | nofpu | I doubt that too :) |
| 20:49.09 | Fare | google found it |
| 20:49.17 | pHluid | hrm |
| 20:49.18 | pHluid | wtf. |
| 20:49.19 | Fare | pHluid: it's magical |
| 20:49.24 | Fare | you can thank the government |
| 20:49.25 | pHluid | So that file |
| 20:49.31 | pHluid | That I downloaded to /mnt/cf |
| 20:49.44 | pHluid | with wget, without the CF card inserted |
| 20:49.48 | pHluid | AdvancedFM says it's there |
| 20:49.51 | pHluid | Shows the correct file size |
| 20:49.56 | pHluid | Doesn't show in ls. |
| 20:50.27 | pHluid | Whacky shit |
| 20:51.10 | pHluid | How do you do a | |
| 20:51.19 | pHluid | so I can grep? |
| 20:51.44 | pHluid | on the 5500 keyboard |
| 20:51.47 | Fare | fn-l |
| 20:51.57 | Fare | (well, that's fn-l on the C700 keyboard) |
| 20:52.07 | nofpu | shift space iirc |
| 20:52.22 | pHluid | ahh yeh |
| 20:52.24 | pHluid | shift-space |
| 20:52.26 | pHluid | thanks |
| 20:52.32 | Fare | btw, OZ has quite a different mapping from the sharp rom |
| 20:52.40 | Fare | where is the mapping documented? |
| 20:52.43 | Fare | how can I change it? |
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| 20:58.35 | nofpu | anyone got affix 2.0.2 ipks? |
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| 23:26.19 | *** join/#openzaurus sonix` (~sonix@pcp03281031pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) |
| 23:31.16 | sonix` | is it possible to sync with qtopia desktop? |
| 23:31.33 | hardwire | just memorize everything.. its easier |
| 23:31.52 | sonix` | :( |
| 23:32.02 | hardwire | naw.. I dunno ;) |
| 23:33.50 | ljp_laptop | rsync |
| 23:33.55 | ljp_laptop | or cp |
| 23:34.58 | ljp_laptop | cpio |
| 23:35.12 | sonix` | ljp_laptop any windows alternative? |
| 23:35.16 | ljp_laptop | kitchensync |
| 23:35.18 | ljp_laptop | oh |
| 23:35.30 | sonix` | yes? no? |
| 23:35.32 | ljp_laptop | actually, some guy is working on one |
| 23:35.36 | ljp_laptop | windows |
| 23:35.45 | sonix` | damnit. i just typed all my entries in qtopia desktop |
| 23:36.15 | ljp_laptop | http://opie.infofreaks.net |
| 23:36.48 | ljp_laptop | has problems I think, so try that and email the author, he needs feedback |
| 23:37.16 | ljp_laptop | hardwire: you still in AK? |
| 23:37.37 | hardwire | newp |
| 23:49.19 | *** join/#openzaurus Umaro (~noone@64.215.178.103) |
| 23:49.54 | Umaro | hey guys.. I was just wondering what other people have done to deal with their cradles.. |
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| 23:50.56 | sonix` | ? |
| 23:51.02 | Umaro | I realize it uses usbnet, and that's great. It works wonderfully. But it's not constant of course, so I have to set it up manually each time. that could be handled by the hotplug package, i'm sure. |
| 23:51.04 | sonix` | whats wrong with the cradel |
| 23:51.11 | Umaro | However, I want to do bridging with it. |
| 23:51.27 | jdh41 | bridging? |
| 23:51.28 | sonix` | http://www.linux-migration.org/ch05s08.html |
| 23:52.43 | hardwire | Umaro: last I checked bridging usb 802.3 to ethernet 802.3 wasn't working well |
| 23:52.49 | hardwire | that might have been an old CDCEther thing |
| 23:53.11 | hardwire | freshmeat for a program called bridged |
| 23:53.17 | hardwire | run that on the host machine |
| 23:53.27 | ljp_laptop | where's that confounded bridge? |
| 23:53.33 | Umaro | no, no.. it works great.. my problem is that when I add the usb device to the bridge, it takes a while to update it before either the host or the Z can talk to the network |
| 23:53.50 | hardwire | thats normal |
| 23:53.57 | hardwire | microsoft answer ;) |
| 23:54.01 | jdh41 | is this differnt to NAT translation? |
| 23:54.18 | Umaro | uhm. yeah. |
| 23:54.22 | hardwire | quite a bit ;) |
| 23:54.38 | hardwire | bridging is connecting two or more network devices together into a unified 802.3 network |
| 23:54.43 | jdh41 | ah |
| 23:54.45 | Umaro | thing is, I don't actually need to bridge, persay. |
| 23:54.58 | hardwire | proxy_arp is the bomb ;) |
| 23:56.25 | sonix` | WHY DO I HAVE TO MANUALLY MOUNT MY SD EVERYTIME I REBOOT? |
| 23:56.27 | sonix` | ARGGGHHH |
| 23:57.17 | ljp_laptop | caps lock |
| 23:57.22 | Umaro | heh. |
| 23:57.48 | Umaro | anyway, I don't want to do masquerading, so bridging is my only choice, so far as I know. |
