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| 03:48.49 | ljp_laptop | sooo... _thats_ wher emy pizza went |
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| 04:08.13 | pizzathief | eww , anchovies |
| 04:16.30 | ljp_laptop | nope. veggies |
| 04:21.06 | mewyn | god damn. i so want a class action lawsuit against sco |
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| 04:51.56 | chrionix | hey all. I'm trying to install gcc, but I keep getting a bunch of errors stating it can't create all these symlinks, has anyone else encountered this? |
| 04:55.01 | mewyn | you need ext2 |
| 04:55.18 | mewyn | you are trying to create symlinks on a fat filesystem |
| 04:55.26 | chrionix | ahhh, of course. |
| 04:55.33 | chrionix | Thanks mewyn |
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| 07:59.30 | chrionix | What images work well as backgrounds for the Z? |
| 07:59.52 | Tuurlijk | any? png? |
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| 08:08.34 | wijnand | Sure |
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| 11:37.28 | chrionix | guys I just re-installed OZ, changing to a different memory configuration, and now I can't ftp into my Z. I've scanned the port, and the 4242 port is open but I'm told the service is not available. I didn't take any measures to have an ftp server going on the Z before, so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. |
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| 11:39.47 | heatxsink | hello anyone? |
| 11:40.21 | Fare | chrionix: the service for ftp is 20-21, not 4242 |
| 11:40.43 | Fare | heatxsink: yes? |
| 11:40.48 | jaku | chrionix: which pass do you use? and change the port.. |
| 11:41.15 | chrionix | I know the usual ftp port is 21, but the Z uses 4242 |
| 11:41.53 | chrionix | 4242 is open on the Z. |
| 11:42.05 | Fare | did you try telnet'ing into it? |
| 11:42.14 | chrionix | I tried ssh'ing into it |
| 11:42.17 | chrionix | And I can |
| 11:42.28 | Fare | well then |
| 11:43.09 | heatxsink | has anyone built the binary cisdump? |
| 11:43.18 | heatxsink | for the Z |
| 11:43.21 | heatxsink | in their kernels? |
| 11:43.48 | chrionix | Fare: well then what? |
| 11:44.02 | Fare | chrionix: scp is better than ftp, anyway |
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| 11:47.34 | chrionix | Fare: Okay, I don't know anything about ssh. |
| 11:47.50 | Fare | maybe there's even sftp installed |
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| 11:48.18 | chrionix | Fare: but it's strange, cause it was working before I changed the kernel package |
| 11:48.33 | Fare | ask ps or lsof |
| 11:49.28 | chrionix | are they people? |
| 11:49.39 | chrionix | It's cool. I'll just use ssh. Was just wondering |
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| 11:58.32 | heatxsink | has anyone built the binary cisdump for their newer kernels for the Z? |
| 11:59.27 | Fare | what's cisdump? |
| 11:59.45 | Fare | ne1 uses the C7x0 ? |
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| 12:04.06 | sashz | hello, where possible get/look documentation about collie series devices, i see in kernel config, there more than 2 device - SL5000 and SL5500? |
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| 12:14.20 | Zxcvb | anyone here? |
| 12:15.59 | chrionix | yeap |
| 12:17.57 | Zxcvb | what is the divx codec least likely to crash opieplayer2? |
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| 12:20.03 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: do you know what the divx codec is that is least likely to crash opieplayer2? |
| 12:21.08 | ljp_laptop | opieplayer2 uses xine |
| 12:21.20 | ljp_laptop | I think its currently one big package |
| 12:22.48 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: well, it currently crashes when using the seek bar to go from one point to another |
| 12:23.19 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: I am currently using divx 3.11, would changing to xvid or even divx 4.x help? |
| 12:24.27 | chrionix | well, there's at least one way to find out :) |
| 12:24.53 | ljp_laptop | I dunno. I don twatch divx on my pda. ;) |
| 12:25.00 | Zxcvb | chronix: which will take a couple of hours to encode |
| 12:26.55 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: who handles opieplayer2 on the z? |
| 12:27.20 | ljp_laptop | maintains? several people. me, harlekin, tronical |
| 12:27.35 | ljp_laptop | but the xine guys do the xine codecs, of course |
| 12:27.58 | ljp_laptop | which reminds me, I still need to cvs xine here on my lappie |
| 12:28.43 | chrionix | heya ljp_laptop, sorry to turn you into mr answers, but would you know why when I updated to a different memory management configuration for OZ, I lost the ability to ftp into the Z? |
| 12:29.31 | chrionix | I was using the 40/24 model, then changed to the 32/32 and now I can't ftp into the z. |
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| 12:29.56 | Fare | out of memory? |
| 12:29.58 | chrionix | I did a portscan of the Z, and port 4242 is open |
| 12:30.15 | Zxcvb | I use the 64-0 kernel |
| 12:30.16 | ljp_laptop | did you select your ip in the security settings app? |
| 12:30.46 | chrionix | hrmm, what security settings app? :P |
| 12:31.34 | chrionix | yeah, it accepts sync from the 192.168.129.0 network |
| 12:31.34 | ljp_laptop | on the settings tab, one named security |
| 12:31.45 | Zxcvb | did you accidently use the kernel 2.4.19 image with the regular initrd.bin? |
| 12:31.55 | ljp_laptop | make sure you hit that once, even if it says the correct ip |
| 12:32.47 | chrionix | huzzah! Thanks man |
| 12:33.27 | Zxcvb | I use sftp myself |
| 12:33.44 | ljp_laptop | I use scp |
| 12:34.12 | ljp_laptop | cause the ftp server in opie is not a full server, and doesnt perform well |
| 12:34.19 | chrionix | I tried scp, couldn't figure out the syntax cause I'm an idiot, so I went back to ftp :P |
| 12:34.22 | Zxcvb | is there any difference between scp and sftp, other than the UI? |
| 12:34.57 | chrionix | Zxcvb: ssh is a lot more secure than ftp |
| 12:34.59 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: sftp is part of ssh, just like scp |
| 12:35.08 | chrionix | or not |
| 12:35.17 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: wouldn't suprise me if sftp is just a wrapper around scp |
| 12:35.36 | Zxcvb | chrionix: sftp is ssh |
| 12:35.36 | Zxcvb | chrionix: just like scp is |
| 12:35.59 | chrionix | yeah, sorry, I didn't know that. that's why I said or not. |
| 12:36.17 | ljp_laptop | scp username@machine:/fileBeing/handled . |
| 12:36.33 | ljp_laptop | ya, I know. |
| 12:36.41 | ljp_laptop | I just use scp/ ;) |
| 12:37.22 | ljp_laptop | or to upload scp fileName username@machine:/place/to/goto |
| 12:37.40 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: so would it be scp foo.ipk root@192.168.129.201/mnt/cf/software/ ? |
| 12:37.43 | chrionix | hey guys, I'm trying to install some perl modules on my Z. Is the 'make' command part of gcc? |
| 12:38.03 | ljp_laptop | you'd need a ':' after the z's ip addy |
| 12:38.23 | ljp_laptop | no, make is another thing |
| 12:38.37 | chrionix | so is it possible to get make going on the Z? |
| 12:38.56 | ljp_laptop | I have heard of people doing that yes. painful and slow though |
| 12:39.12 | chrionix | ahh, crappy |
| 12:39.33 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: no worse than on an old pentium 1 system |
| 12:40.07 | ljp_laptop | handhelds.org has clusters of arm machines you can get an account on to test, compile, etc |
| 12:40.08 | ljp_laptop | and ipaqs |
| 12:40.14 | ljp_laptop | via telnet |
| 12:41.03 | chrionix | I just want to be able to write perl code while I'm sitting on a bus or something. |
| 12:41.59 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: do they have an openzaurus one? |
| 12:42.24 | ljp_laptop | Zxcvb: no |
| 12:42.26 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: with a working SDL and such? |
| 12:43.17 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: so it's only familiar? |
| 12:43.23 | ljp_laptop | you could try bugging #handhelds.org HP people into getting a zaurus there, but I doubt it, as it's hosted my HP/compaq |
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| 12:43.28 | ljp_laptop | and ipaq |
| 12:43.57 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: so how do you compile for the zaurus on it? |
| 12:44.06 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: unless you get X11 working, that is |
| 12:45.20 | ljp_laptop | on what? |
| 12:46.26 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: on handhelds.org |
| 12:46.37 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: ipaq linux is X11 based |
| 12:46.46 | ljp_laptop | yes. |
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| 12:47.22 | ljp_laptop | you can have your own libs and such. just might not be able to run it on those machines |
| 12:47.24 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: so handhelds.org is useless for openzaurus/sharp development as they are qtopia/opie |
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| 12:47.42 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: unless they have an opie/openembedded system |
| 12:47.57 | pHluid | ... |
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| 12:47.59 | pHluid | er. |
| 12:48.21 | ljp_laptop | yes, well... the handhelds guys are particular to familar. ;) |
| 12:48.48 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: so is there opie stuff? |
| 12:48.55 | pHluid | Zxcvb? Qtopia/Opie development is pretty entertwined with Sharp/OZ, so I don't think you said what you meant to say. :P |
| 12:49.26 | Zxcvb | pHluid: not true |
| 12:50.07 | chrionix | pHluid: I think he meant openzaurus/sharp is qtopia/opie |
| 12:50.19 | Zxcvb | pHluid: opie is available on familiar |
| 12:50.36 | ljp_laptop | I think most opie users have ipaqs |
| 12:50.46 | ljp_laptop | numbers could be different now |
| 12:51.42 | Zxcvb | wasn't opie forked to make it more generic for other ARM handhelds? |
| 12:52.53 | ljp_laptop | no. it was forked because we wanted something a little more open |
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| 13:01.17 | Zxcvb | is there a voice recorder for openzaurus? |
| 13:04.22 | ljp_laptop | yes |
| 13:04.30 | ljp_laptop | vmemo and opierec |
| 13:05.46 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: if I have both libxine and opie-mplayer-codecs installed, which one will opieplayer2 use? |
| 13:07.20 | chrionix | hey what games do you guys like playing on the Z? |
| 13:07.50 | Twiun | mount the CF card |
| 13:07.55 | ljp_laptop | well, the package name is different for ipaq and zaurus because familiar and oz use different names |
| 13:08.11 | ljp_laptop | tictaktoe |
| 13:08.19 | yeiazel | minehunt |
| 13:08.26 | ljp_laptop | solitare |
| 13:08.32 | ljp_laptop | pacman |
| 13:08.33 | yeiazel | sfcave |
| 13:08.38 | yeiazel | bounce |
| 13:08.39 | ljp_laptop | ^^^^^^^^ |
| 13:08.49 | ljp_laptop | sfacave is good |
| 13:08.51 | yeiazel | kbill |
| 13:10.29 | Zxcvb | ljp_laptop: does opieplayer2 use libxine or mplayer-codecs if both are installed? |
| 13:11.23 | ljp_laptop | same thing really |
| 13:12.09 | chrionix | that has to be the most horribly depressing list of games I've ever seen.. Thanks guys :) |
| 13:12.49 | Zxcvb | chrionix: gnuboy |
| 13:13.00 | Zxcvb | chrionix: most GBC games are now full speed as well |
| 13:13.31 | chrionix | Zxcvb: I was just about to ask whether the gameboy emulators ran okay. |
| 13:13.53 | chrionix | What about Knights, is it hard to compile the source code into .ipk format? |
| 13:13.55 | Zxcvb | the latest gnuboy is |
| 13:14.04 | Zxcvb | full hardware key support |
| 13:14.08 | chrionix | or is there another chess front end anywhere? |
| 13:14.12 | Zxcvb | dragon warrior 3 is kind of slow, though |
| 13:15.31 | chrionix | Zxcvb: On the killefiz site, it says the GameBoyZ package has about the same speed as the enhanced gnuboy, have you tried it? |
| 13:15.59 | Zxcvb | chrionix: the latest gnuboy is better |
| 13:16.13 | Zxcvb | chrionix: there is a super-enhanced gnuboy |
| 13:16.30 | Zxcvb | chrionix: it has hardware key support, and much enhanced gameboy color speed |
| 13:17.07 | chrionix | Zxcvb: heh, what's next, awesome-super-enhanced? |
| 13:18.04 | Zxcvb | chrionix: it's newer than the enhanced gnuboy, so what would you call it? |
| 13:18.49 | chrionix | enhanced-gnuboy v.2? |
| 13:19.05 | Zxcvb | it also uses it's own special SDL |
| 13:19.19 | Zxcvb | so no need to install SDL yourself |
| 13:19.33 | chrionix | ahh cool |
| 13:19.38 | wijnand | what's the key combination for the Euro symbol? |
| 13:19.45 | pHluid | super-turbo-hyper-championship-edition-gnuboy |
| 13:20.09 | chrionix | hehehe |
| 13:20.15 | pHluid | Two. |
| 13:20.46 | chrionix | Zxcvb: Is that qtopiagnuboy_1.0.3? |
| 13:22.06 | Zxcvb | chrionix: not sure, go through the sites until you find one that mentions an unreleased SDL |
| 13:25.10 | Zxcvb | brb |
| 13:25.17 | wijnand | if you go to that site you end up in a maze of links to updated versions |
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| 13:28.08 | chrionix | I was just on the www.mysisterkate.com site, but it seems to have crashed |
| 13:30.50 | wijnand | i'm there too, i think thats the one zxcvb meant |
| 13:31.02 | wijnand | geez i just realize how he thought of that nick :P |
| 13:31.46 | chrionix | I don't get it :P |
| 13:32.35 | wijnand | right, you want the 5-step guide? :P |
| 13:33.57 | chrionix | oh god. I guess I should have looked at my keyboard before I said that :P |
| 13:34.18 | chrionix | normally you just press z tab |
| 13:34.24 | wijnand | heh. just try to type it once without hitting tab and you know every detail :P |
| 13:34.26 | wijnand | yeah me too |
| 13:34.54 | chrionix | are you able to download the ipk? |
| 13:35.00 | wijnand | yep |
| 13:35.00 | chrionix | I can't access the site anymore |
| 13:35.16 | chrionix | can you send me a copy? :) |
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| 13:36.33 | chrionix | doesn't seem to want to go through |
| 13:36.39 | wijnand | so i see |
| 13:37.05 | chrionix | arg |
| 13:38.09 | pHluid | http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2417572314 |
| 13:38.20 | pHluid | Anybody wanna go in on it with me? |
| 13:40.36 | chrionix | pHluid: Hell yes! |
| 13:41.21 | pHluid | 11000V electrified panels and grilles to discourage climbers |
| 13:41.28 | pHluid | HOW CAN YOU RESIST THAT? |
| 13:41.31 | wijnand | lol |
| 13:41.43 | wijnand | maybe the electricity bill might put you off a bit |
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| 13:43.27 | pHluid | wonder what shipping on that thing would be. |
| 13:44.08 | pHluid | good for you. |
| 13:44.55 | alessandra | well i really don't see alternatives |
| 13:45.38 | alessandra | except for prettier icons, everything worked worse after that |
| 13:46.21 | pHluid | OZ 3.2 with Opie upgraded to 0.9.9 is perfectly fine for me. |
| 13:46.30 | pHluid | Only probs I have are with busybox and ipkg. |
| 13:46.48 | chrionix | pHluid: lol, Can you imagine the shipping? They'd have to use a aircraft carrier :P |
| 13:46.59 | alessandra | pHluid: can u use xmms or opieplayer ? |
| 13:47.05 | pHluid | chrionix: You don't think FedEx would do it? |
| 13:47.18 | pHluid | alessandra: Never tried. |
| 13:47.39 | chrionix | pHluid: nup. No way. Unless they have DC-3's or something |
| 13:47.44 | alessandra | pHluid: what software do u usually use (except for ipkg and busybox)? |
| 13:47.49 | pHluid | ;[ |
| 13:48.38 | pHluid | alessandra: PIM, games, browser, VNC, winconnectz (RDP client), etc. |
| 13:49.08 | pHluid | I don't use it for a jukebox, if that's what you're asking; if that's what I wanted there's much better alternatives than a Z. |
| 13:49.57 | heatxsink | has anyone built the binary cisdump for their newer kernels for the Z? |
| 13:50.00 | alessandra | well everything i have been trying to install at the moment (included games) complained because of missing libraries |
| 13:50.05 | heatxsink | has anyone built the binary "cisdump" for their newer kernels for the Z? |
| 13:50.35 | pHluid | alessandra: Um. Things need libraries. |
| 13:50.42 | pHluid | Welcome to dependancy hell |
| 13:50.48 | pHluid | Deal with it. ;[ |
| 13:50.51 | alessandra | pHluid: yup and too bad they are not provided in the feed |
| 13:50.59 | pHluid | ... |
| 13:51.09 | alessandra | no... i prefer to downgrade and hope that openzaurus becomes stable again |
| 13:51.16 | pHluid | Anything built by the feeds, has the library dependancies in the feeds. |
| 13:51.32 | alessandra | pHluid: pls trying to install something from the new feed |
| 13:51.34 | pHluid | If you're trying to install stuff from ELSEWHERE, that needs libraries that aren't in the feeds, that's your own thing |
| 13:51.49 | pHluid | alessandra: Like what. XMMS? |
| 13:51.57 | alessandra | or read the mailing list (i have not written any of the messages complaining of the missing libraries) |
| 13:52.04 | alessandra | pHluid: not only that |
| 13:52.23 | alessandra | doom is another example |
| 13:52.27 | pHluid | Just tell me a package you think is bad |
| 13:52.31 | pHluid | Doom is in the feeds now? |
| 13:52.40 | alessandra | no... but it used to wrok |
| 13:52.42 | alessandra | work |
| 13:52.51 | pHluid | Probably libSDL |
| 13:52.57 | pHluid | Anyways, you said XMMS is broken, right? |
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| 13:53.08 | absentiaS | prboom doesn't work for me |
| 13:53.09 | alessandra | pHluid: kind of |
| 13:53.10 | absentiaS | xu doesn't work for me |
| 13:53.13 | absentiaS | exult doesn't work for me |
| 13:53.43 | absentiaS | I think somehow.. sharp rom and oz are looking to installed stuff in the second partition... and it's fucking things up. |
| 13:53.46 | pHluid | alessandra: it is or it isn't... is xmms one of the packages you're complaining about or isn't it |
| 13:53.47 | alessandra | pHluid: and anyway the cf resume/suspend problem is surely much worse that what it used to be on december |
| 13:53.48 | absentiaS | but that's just my guess |
| 13:54.08 | alessandra | now i have to manually fsck EVERYTIME i resume/suspend |
| 13:54.17 | alessandra | pHluid: of course it is |
| 13:54.19 | pHluid | alessandra: That I do have a prob with, but i just turn off medium mounting and use the opie applet to do it. |
| 13:54.23 | alessandra | pHluid: but only of the many |
| 13:54.55 | alessandra | pHluid: isn't that ridicolous... and isn't even more funny that i have tried to write a bug report and it has been deleted after few days |
| 13:55.13 | alessandra | pHluid: never happened in any other project to see a bug deleted! |
| 13:56.17 | pHluid | alessandra: If it's a duplicate bug, it will be. |
| 13:56.35 | alessandra | pHluid: No! that is the point! |
| 13:56.57 | alessandra | pHluid: it is just because kergoth believes that it would be repaired once kernel 2.4.19 is out |
| 13:57.13 | pHluid | How the hell is this a kernel bug? |
| 13:57.40 | alessandra | pHluid: well ask kergoth... |
| 13:58.44 | alessandra | pHluid: i believe it might be true... it is a general problem with opie |
| 13:58.59 | alessandra | pHluid: and it has been repaired for kernel 2.4.19 |
| 13:59.02 | ljp_laptop | so sue him |
| 13:59.14 | alessandra | ljp_laptop: sue him? |
| 13:59.21 | ljp_laptop | kergoth |
| 13:59.30 | alessandra | ljp_laptop: for what? |
| 13:59.43 | pHluid | alessandra: Are you using the unstable feed? |
| 13:59.44 | ljp_laptop | deleting bug reports ;) |
| 13:59.51 | alessandra | ljp_laptop: if someone is arrogant, i can't sue him |
| 14:00.01 | alessandra | pHluid: i have been trying everything... |
| 14:00.08 | ljp_laptop | I dont think kergoth is arrogant |
| 14:00.27 | pHluid | laptop: Oh, yes he is. :P |
| 14:00.47 | alessandra | whatever |
| 14:01.04 | ljp_laptop | why? |
| 14:01.16 | alessandra | but it is not the first time that i have tried to tell him about some bugs and he told me that i am patetic or something like that |
| 14:01.32 | alessandra | and i have seen the same behaviour of Kergoth against other people |
| 14:01.56 | ljp_laptop | well, he got ruined by doing unix tech support |
| 14:02.26 | yeiazel | sure :) |
| 14:02.33 | ljp_laptop | its not arragence. its impatience |
| 14:02.47 | absentiaS | heheh |
| 14:03.02 | alessandra | ljp_laptop: whatever it is ... it is not correct. |
| 14:03.59 | alessandra | the only thing i can do is to stop using openzaurus |
| 14:04.15 | alessandra | or anyhow try to contribute to it |
| 14:04.47 | alessandra | du -s |
| 14:04.55 | alessandra | wrong window |
| 14:05.10 | ljp_laptop | bash: du: command not found |
| 14:06.17 | pHluid | xmms sure seems broken |
| 14:06.31 | pHluid | But it's also in the unstable feed, so I can't understand bitching about that |
| 14:06.47 | pHluid | It installs, but doesn't launch for me |
| 14:06.58 | alessandra | pHluid: run xmms from console |
| 14:07.08 | alessandra | pHluid: missing library right? |
| 14:07.08 | pHluid | Manually reinstalling the xine, ogg, vorbis, and mad libs didn't change it |
| 14:09.06 | alessandra | pHluid: ? |
| 14:09.21 | ljp_laptop | xmms doesnt use those |
| 14:10.11 | pHluid | laptop: They're still listed as dependancies. |
| 14:10.16 | pHluid | It' |
| 14:10.26 | pHluid | It's libc6 that it's bailing on |
| 14:10.45 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 14:10.56 | alessandra | pHluid: rite... |
| 14:11.07 | alessandra | pHluid: now do u agree with me? ;-) |
| 14:11.29 | pHluid | alessandra: I agree that the unstable feed is borked |
| 14:11.40 | pHluid | But then again, it does say UNSTABLE right in the title |
| 14:11.46 | alessandra | pHluid: okie... |
| 14:12.08 | pHluid | where the hell are the libc6 libs at |
| 14:12.12 | pHluid | they're not in /lib |
| 14:12.18 | alessandra | pHluid: i have been using debian for several years... I have never seen the whole unstable version to be completely broken |
| 14:13.03 | pHluid | alessandra: you're welcome to roll your own distro if you feel it'd be better. |
| 14:13.38 | ljp_laptop | debian probBlhy has more than about 4 people doing it also |
| 14:13.46 | alessandra | Okie, ny friends... I have finally got the zaurus work (with last december release)... I will come back here within few months to see if something changed |
| 14:14.08 | pHluid | Alessandra: Next time buy a Palm. |
| 14:14.19 | ljp_laptop | oz 3.2 or whatever it is I flashed, works fine here |
| 14:14.22 | alessandra | ljp_laptop: i repeated about 10 times... I agree with you in all this... but if u want to upgrade something, pls test it first (it is not about the number of people using it) |
| 14:14.25 | alessandra | or testing it |
| 14:14.35 | alessandra | pHluid: why? |
| 14:14.43 | ljp_laptop | try stable then |
| 14:14.47 | pHluid | alessandra: It WAS working before; obviously this is something that just broke |
| 14:15.06 | alessandra | ljp_laptop: also that is buggy... see above... i need to fsck everytime |
| 14:15.18 | alessandra | pHluid: broke by itself |
| 14:15.31 | pHluid | alessandra: I also told you a work around for that. And that's an Opie problem, not an OZ problem. |
| 14:15.50 | ljp_laptop | try the opie feed then and leave the base stuff alone |
| 14:16.02 | absentiaS | has anyone here managed to get xu4, exult prboom, kismet or wellenreiter (sp?) to work? |
| 14:16.13 | cyn | <tronical> now every cross gcc is using include.mk, which has --enable-shared |
| 14:16.19 | cyn | <tronical> (which is right for gcc 3.x, but not for 2.x) |
| 14:16.26 | cyn | that's the 'problem; |
| 14:16.33 | pHluid | absentias: Kismet, Wellenreiter, xmms, mediaplayer2 all worked fine for me a week ago |
| 14:16.38 | pHluid | If they're broken now, that's new. |
| 14:16.42 | cyn | the buildroot got an option for the gcc3 build(s) that shouldn't be there |
| 14:16.52 | cyn | so for SOME libstdc apps there's an issue |
| 14:17.34 | pHluid | cyn: So it just needs to be corrected and rebuilt |
| 14:17.39 | cyn | sorry libstdc++ |
| 14:17.41 | cyn | yah |
| 14:17.43 | cyn | <tronical> alessandra: the particular problem you're running into is specific to only very few applications that need libstdc++ |
| 14:17.50 | pHluid | ie, next time the unstable feed is refreshed, it will be fixed |
| 14:18.05 | cyn | may 12th he posted that 3.3.1 would be out in about a month |
| 14:18.15 | alessandra | whatever it is, i am happy to be in the old releae |
| 14:18.25 | alessandra | i will come back when i see the new kernel |
| 14:18.33 | pHluid | alessandra: You still won't have kismet, wellenreiter, xmms, etc. heh. |
| 14:18.51 | alessandra | i have waisted too much time on it |
| 14:18.51 | cyn | alessandra: i'd say hopefully fixed in 2 weeks, almost definitely within a month - but I'm not a devel so I can't say fo rsure |
| 14:18.59 | cyn | wasted |
| 14:19.12 | alessandra | pHluid: fortunatelly i had a backup with all those software... that at that time worked great! ;-) |
| 14:19.28 | alessandra | pHluid: already installed everything with ipkg-link mount /mnt/cf |
| 14:19.28 | cyn | ya i do that too |
| 14:19.43 | cyn | ipkgs are small enough to keep local dated mirrors |
| 14:19.48 | heatxsink | has anyone built the binary "cisdump" for their newer kernels for the Z? |
| 14:20.45 | absentiaS | cyn: I'd be happy if people would just learn the difference between "lose" and "loose" |
| 14:20.46 | pHluid | cyn: any idea why they're not using gcc3, anyways? |
| 14:20.53 | absentiaS | you don't "loose" a game of mahjongg |
| 14:21.04 | absentiaS | or some of the other games in the feeds. |
| 14:21.17 | cyn | pHluid: on standard oz? so you can still use TheKompany's stuff |
| 14:21.19 | cyn | essentially |
| 14:21.23 | absentiaS | I always feel that the game's insulting me with it's "You loose!" |
| 14:21.25 | absentiaS | popup |
| 14:21.27 | pHluid | Fuck tkc |
| 14:21.32 | pHluid | ;[ |
| 14:21.33 | cyn | not just tkc |
| 14:21.37 | cyn | anything they can't compile themselves |
| 14:21.45 | absentiaS | also, the stupid mahjong puts a popup up that blocks the board, and when you click, it restarts a new game |
| 14:21.47 | cyn | as long as there's any app out there you only have binary for / etc. |
| 14:21.54 | absentiaS | also, it desperately needs a serial number option |
| 14:21.59 | absentiaS | as well as a difficulty setting |
| 14:22.18 | absentiaS | and, better icons.... and the ability to run in 480x640 |
| 14:22.24 | pHluid | cyn: Devs need to move to the pace of the OS, not vice versa... they'll NEVER update their binaries if the OS remains gcc2 |
| 14:22.36 | cyn | pHluid: I agree |
| 14:22.45 | cyn | I think what's gunna happen is he's gunna maintain two images |
| 14:22.45 | ljp_laptop | so fix it. source is available |
| 14:22.45 | absentiaS | I can't get tkcmahjong to run |
| 14:22.45 | absentiaS | the screen comes up with "generate" and stuff |
| 14:22.46 | ljp_laptop | oh nm |
| 14:22.47 | absentiaS | and then it blinks away |
| 14:22.49 | ljp_laptop | heh |
| 14:23.26 | pHluid | cyn: Good... somebody posted a bit back about having a GCC3 built feed w/ Opie 1.0-cvs |
| 14:23.32 | cyn | pHluid: but yeah, hopefully tkc will make some gcc3 compilations and all the old binary stuff people can be like "okay FINE" |
| 14:23.38 | absentiaS | where are people reading this stuff? |
| 14:23.43 | absentiaS | whhich boards? |
| 14:23.50 | pHluid | Just don't particularly care for relying on some random user to keep his feed updated |
| 14:23.51 | cyn | this is knowledge from irc from like a month ago |
| 14:23.57 | cyn | before I got married, went on my honeymoon, and moved |
| 14:24.01 | absentiaS | ph: amen |
| 14:24.39 | cyn | i will have to agree with that ;| |
| 14:24.48 | ljp_laptop | tkc is interested in sharp rom support. sharo will never go to gcc3, because qte/qtopia isnt moving to gcc3 |
| 14:24.48 | cyn | its like YAY IM CUTTING EDGE |
| 14:24.51 | cyn | two months later |
| 14:24.55 | cyn | 'wheres that update?' |
| 14:25.07 | cyn | ljp_laptop: shitty |
| 14:25.19 | cyn | why isn't qtopia moving |
| 14:25.34 | ljp_laptop | various, good reasons |
| 14:27.02 | cyn | good reasons overall or good reasons that prevent massive rewrites |
| 14:27.45 | absentiaS | why won't qte/qtopia go gcc3? |
| 14:27.59 | absentiaS | various good reasons.. |
| 14:28.00 | absentiaS | what are they? |
| 14:28.22 | cyn | varied and good I'd say |
| 14:28.29 | cyn | I'm curious good for whom tho :) |
| 14:28.36 | absentiaS | what would take a massive rewrite? |
| 14:29.01 | absentiaS | morn' |
| 14:30.52 | ljp_laptop | because it would be substandard, and TT is a proffesional outfit |
| 14:31.34 | cyn | it would be substandard, or would it be because it would be less compatible |
| 14:31.47 | ljp_laptop | actually, I think qtopia 1.6.2 will work woth gcc3 ;) |
| 14:32.11 | ljp_laptop | but moving to qte 3 wont happen. heh I mix those up all the time |
| 14:34.36 | ljp_laptop | bleh |
| 14:34.42 | ljp_laptop | ~lart me |
| 14:36.18 | absentiaS | honesetly |
| 14:36.24 | absentiaS | I think they mentality is broken. |
| 14:36.36 | absentiaS | but there are a lot of people in the world who do not know how to think. |
| 14:36.51 | absentiaS | in fact, I'd bet 99.9% or more people don't know how to think properly. |
| 14:36.54 | ljp_laptop | who is broken? |
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| 14:41.23 | Fare | absentiaS: I'd bet for 99.99% :) |
| 14:43.23 | absentiaS | fare: exactly. |
| 14:43.26 | absentiaS | ljp: most people. |
| 14:45.37 | chrionix | That's a rather arrogant comment isn't it? |
| 14:45.45 | absentiaS | is it? |
| 14:45.59 | cyn | I don't know how to think at least a fourth of the time |
| 14:46.04 | cyn | that I'm awake |
| 14:46.05 | Fare | chrionix: what's "arrogant" ? |
| 14:46.17 | cyn | but I think 99.99% is too high |
| 14:46.19 | absentiaS | is the truth arrogant? |
| 14:46.22 | absentiaS | are facts arrogant? |
| 14:46.28 | cyn | um |
| 14:46.32 | cyn | that's an opinion |
| 14:46.35 | Fare | absentiaS: I just wrote an article explaining how (superstition or the order of) Black Magic was ruling the world |
| 14:46.39 | cyn | neither truth nor fact until proven to be |
| 14:46.52 | cyn | I personally believe that opinion to be exaggeration |
| 14:46.52 | absentiaS | someone may not agree, someone may not like it.. but just because someone states it, it shouldn't affect the fact. |
| 14:46.58 | Fare | cyn: is your statement either truth or fact? |
| 14:47.02 | absentiaS | fare: amen. you know exactly what I'm talking about. |
| 14:47.02 | cyn | just because you say something doesn't make it fact |
| 14:47.05 | chrionix | Well, arrogant is believing your way of thinking is the 'proper way' and that anyone not thinking within the same realm doesn't know how to think properly. |
| 14:47.12 | cyn | Fare: which one, I've made a bunch just now |
| 14:47.14 | absentiaS | cyn: agreed... which is about 100% my point. :-) |
| 14:47.15 | Fare | cyn: just because you say something doesn't make it fact |
| 14:47.25 | absentiaS | just because someone says something, it doesn't mean that it's true (or a fact). |
| 14:47.41 | cyn | Fare: oh just trolling gotcha |
| 14:47.43 | Fare | <cyn> neither truth nor fact until proven to be <== is your statement either truth or fact? |
| 14:47.45 | absentiaS | chr: perhaps. |
| 14:47.59 | Fare | no it's more than trolling |
| 14:48.01 | cyn | that statement is both truth and fact |
| 14:48.02 | absentiaS | but, alas, "my" thinking isn't mine... any "my" thinking isn't static. |
| 14:48.03 | Fare | it's epistemology |
| 14:48.13 | cyn | unfortunately |
| 14:48.13 | Fare | cyn: how is it proven??? |
| 14:48.16 | absentiaS | I have the ability to admit I'm wrong... to change my mind, to learn, to grow.. and to improve. |
| 14:48.22 | cyn | it's proven by the definitions of truth and fact |
| 14:48.23 | chrionix | bah, existentialist hippies. Come back to the real world. |
| 14:48.34 | absentiaS | fare: ys, I'm an epistemologist.... |
| 14:48.40 | Fare | are these definitions proven? |
| 14:48.40 | cyn | anyway I'm going back to my buildroot now |
| 14:48.55 | wijnand | chrionix: maybe that is what i should call philosophers :P |
| 14:49.19 | chrionix | wijnand: hehe, you should :P |
| 14:49.30 | kergoth`bbl | Fare: they're definitions that most agree are accurate. If we did not agree at least to *some* degree on the meanings of words conversation would be pointless. |
| 14:49.31 | cyn | I don't want a theological theory on the definitions we assign to non-concrete things, that'll burn a morning and just anger or entertain everyone involved |
| 14:49.33 | kergoth`bbl | morning :) |
| 14:49.39 | cyn | s/theory/discussion/ |
| 14:49.42 | cyn | mornin k |
| 14:49.56 | kergoth | dontcha love philosophy before you've had your coffee |
| 14:50.20 | yeiazel | \o/ kergoth is dead ! |
| 14:50.40 | cyn | ahhhh |
| 14:50.41 | Fare | kergoth: in any case, there are truths that don't depend on "proof" |
| 14:50.45 | cyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.51 | Fare | there are axioms |
| 14:50.53 | cyn | "opie needs uic/moc, freetype, e2fsprogs, qte, mtd, libpcap, libxine, vera fonts (qpf)" |
| 14:50.56 | cyn | there's my problem |
| 14:50.58 | chrionix | cyn: That's why I bowed out and chose to throw rocks from the sideline, when it started getting deep |
| 14:51.17 | Fare | ok, back to installing a cross-dev environment... |
| 14:51.24 | cyn | im runnin all over the menuconfig tryin to find somethin named 'qte' figuring theres a lib named explicitly that, since i know i already had qte selected |
| 14:51.31 | cyn | and it was vera-fonts right on that goddamn screen haha |
| 14:51.32 | absentiaS | reality is that which still exists even if you don't believe in it. |
| 14:51.47 | chrionix | Ypu |
| 14:51.49 | Fare | absentiaS: nice Philip K. Dick quote. |
| 14:51.58 | absentiaS | believing something to be true doesn't make it true anymore than believing something false makes something false. |
| 14:52.05 | absentiaS | is that a quote? |
| 14:52.16 | absentiaS | I thought I just made it up. oh well:-> |
| 14:52.24 | cyn | I'm sure the gist of that has been quoted |
| 14:52.30 | absentiaS | exactly |
| 14:52.44 | cyn | hahaha |
| 14:52.45 | cyn | <TaoWork> Jun 4 10:50:47 yukino sm-msp-queue[16654]: h54EolO4016654: SYSERR(root): fill_fd: disconnect: cannot open /dev/null: Permission denied <-- hahahahahah |
| 14:52.56 | Fare | cyn: I hate that quote |
| 14:53.08 | cyn | Fare: which quote |
| 14:53.11 | absentiaS | people on #solaris use to tell people to rm /dev/zero |
| 14:53.20 | Fare | cyn: cannot open /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 14:53.26 | cyn | ? |
| 14:53.30 | cyn | that just happened to a bud of mine |
| 14:53.49 | cyn | im not browsin bash.org and pasting crap here |
| 14:54.00 | kergoth | cyn: i hate it when that happens (happened before i had the perms set right in my device table in the early oz images) |
| 14:54.03 | kergoth | cyn: :) |
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| 15:18.43 | shaunj | I installed fbvncserver and it connects and shows the zaurus desktop... but I can't control anything... anybody used this before? |
| 15:19.44 | cyn | shaunj: see the mailing lists - long story short, your virtual keyboard device got mknod'd with a bad mknod |
| 15:19.55 | cyn | you need to update busybox and remake it iirc |
| 15:20.28 | cyn | I'd check mailing lists to be safe - but I expect the virtual keyboard in /dev/ has major/minor numbers of 0 0 |
| 15:21.50 | pHluid | The prob is with mknod |
| 15:22.07 | pHluid | and as far as I know, busybox in unstable is still broke as fuck, so I don't recommend installing that ;[ |
| 15:22.24 | pHluid | Though I haven't tried it recently, so it might be fixed now. |
| 15:23.11 | Fare | btw, who's responsible for the busybox package? |
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| 15:23.56 | kergoth | I do |
| 15:24.07 | kergoth | and I havent had time to fix it what w/ the move and everything |
| 15:24.13 | kergoth | the package is fine, but the upgrade path is broken |
| 15:24.18 | kergoth | i.e. if you flash an unstable image, it works fine |
| 15:24.46 | shaunj | would that cause the problem with pointing devices as well as the keyboard? |
| 15:28.21 | kergoth | no, if yu cant control anything, you didnt calibrate it properly |
| 15:28.39 | kergoth | (calibration steps are outlined in oz faqs, mailing list archives, and the homepage of hte folks who maintain the fb vnc server) |
| 15:29.00 | Fare | kergoth: well, for instance, the experimental busybox package has no swapon/swapoff/mkswap, whereas the sharp one has. |
| 15:29.13 | Fare | instead, you have external utilities for swapon/swapoff and no mkswap |
| 15:29.15 | kergoth | Fare: yes, they were accidentally disabled. they're enabled upstream |
| 15:29.21 | Fare | ok |
| 15:29.25 | kergoth | uh, no. i dont have an external package for swapon/swapoff. |
| 15:29.39 | Fare | oh? ok. |
| 15:30.00 | kergoth | certainly the binaries are built in the build process, but they are not packaged. |
| 15:32.54 | Fare | ok |
| 15:33.26 | Fare | btw, I tried to install zsh from debian, but it has quite a lot of dependencies -- down to debconf, which pulls perl, etc. |
| 15:33.36 | Fare | what do you recommend? |
| 15:33.41 | kergoth | eh? |
| 15:33.47 | kergoth | just force hte deps |
| 15:33.54 | Fare | ok |
| 15:33.59 | kergoth | you always run into dep issues installing packages between distros |
| 15:34.09 | kergoth | even between redhat & mandrake & suse, which is a good example of it |
| 15:34.11 | Fare | but then I get errors during the installation |
| 15:34.22 | Fare | as it tries to run scripts from debconf that are not present |
| 15:34.27 | kergoth | harmless |
| 15:34.30 | Fare | ok |
| 15:34.37 | kergoth | should be anyway, assuming its postinst, not preinst failures |
| 15:34.42 | kergoth | postinst failures dont prevent the package from installing |
| 15:34.44 | kergoth | preinst failures do |
| 15:34.59 | kergoth | if you have to, worst case, you can rip apart the .deb and fix the scripts to not call debconf :) |
| 15:35.26 | Fare | ok |
| 15:35.46 | Fare | is there a howto to transform a .deb into a .ipk ? |
| 15:36.28 | yeiazel | Fare: iirc, ipks can install .debs |
| 15:36.33 | yeiazel | s/ipks/ipkg/ |
| 15:36.44 | kergoth | yeah, i think thats what he's doing.. but ipkg will obey its Depends |
| 15:37.35 | Fare | yeiazel: that's what I was trying to do - but not very satisfactory |
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| 15:54.13 | shaunj | maybe I'm doing something wrong on the calibration... but it's not working |
| 15:54.23 | shaunj | I uninstalled fbvncserver |
| 15:54.38 | shaunj | installed it fresh, ran /etc/init.d/fbvncinput start |
| 15:54.49 | shaunj | tapped upper left then lower right |
| 15:55.08 | shaunj | then the tapping input goes wierd and I have to tap things two or three times |
| 15:55.14 | shaunj | and the vnc input still doesn't work |
| 15:59.22 | cyn | tapping input going weird is a flag that something's still weird |
| 15:59.28 | cyn | yer gettin that from the feed? |
| 15:59.39 | cyn | openzaurus.org feed that is |
| 15:59.42 | shaunj | yep... stable |
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| 16:11.41 | shaunj | it works now |
| 16:11.41 | shaunj | I guess it didn't like being installed to the SD card |
| 16:12.43 | cyn | is the SD card ext2/3 |
| 16:14.20 | shaunj | yep |
| 16:14.47 | shaunj | and root is symlinked there anyways... so I don't know why just saying "root" in the package manager would matter |
| 16:18.27 | cyn | maybe because it wasn't making /dev properly |
| 16:18.55 | cyn | but how is your / symlinked directly to cf |
| 16:18.59 | cyn | you mean you're chrooted? |
| 16:19.24 | cyn | you don't just symlink / somewhere and smile satisfied :P |
| 16:22.09 | cyn | er sd not cf |
| 16:22.13 | cyn | same diff |
| 16:22.28 | shaunj | no... I mean /root |
| 16:22.44 | shaunj | so I suppose it is a bit different |
| 16:23.10 | cyn | yah bigtime :) |
| 16:23.31 | cyn | still the package should be able to be installed to a sd or cf just fine |
| 16:23.39 | cyn | anything that has to go elsewhere should be able to get there, strange |
| 16:23.52 | cyn | someone else might know why |
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| 16:41.07 | Zxcvb | anyone here? |
| 16:41.25 | jdh41 | maybe.... |
| 16:41.30 | shaunj | a few |
| 16:41.38 | kergoth | Zxcvb: no |
| 16:41.41 | kergoth | shaunj: liars |
| 16:41.43 | Zxcvb | is there a smarter aqpkg out? |
| 16:41.43 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:41.53 | kergoth | aqpkg is rarely a problem |
| 16:42.00 | kergoth | ipkg is the real problem |
| 16:42.38 | Zxcvb | for example, I install both jeode-demos and jeode, but when jeode-demos installs (it is first due to alphabetical order), it gives a message about not having the jeode package |
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| 16:43.10 | Zxcvb | kergoth: if I install package bar and foo, and package bar depends on foo, shouldn't foo install first, even though foo comes after bar? |
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| 16:43.38 | kergoth | Zxcvb: if you call ipkg install foo bar; in a single command, it doesnt recognize the interdependencies of the packages you supplied |
| 16:43.44 | kergoth | Zxcvb: it should, but it doesnt. |
| 16:43.54 | Zxcvb | kergoth: aqpkg insists on installing in alphabetical order |
| 16:44.24 | kergoth | Zxcvb: aqpkg should install them in a single command, not individual commands, and then ipkg should handle the interdependencies. |
| 16:44.27 | tgall | good day-cycle citizens |
| 16:44.32 | kergoth | Zxcvb: aqpkg should not be handling deps. period. |
| 16:44.46 | kergoth | Zxcvb: thats far more intelligence than it needs, and introduces numerous additional possible points of failure |
| 16:44.48 | zap-zero | i hate package management |
| 16:45.22 | zap-zero | slackware .tgz is more than enough |
| 16:45.26 | jdh41 | should ipkg (if it worked) do everything apt does, or is it cut back? |
| 16:45.52 | zap-zero | anyone knows what bootmanager to use on the Z if i want to install something like www.linuxfromscratch.org on it? |
| 16:46.10 | kergoth | jdh41: ipkg does some things that apt doesnt, and doesnt have some things apt does. |
| 16:46.12 | Zxcvb | any idea what libsl.so.1 is? |
| 16:46.19 | kergoth | libsl is the sharp library |
| 16:46.24 | kergoth | for access to their proprietary binary PIM formats |
| 16:46.33 | kergoth | in the v3 5500 rom, the 5600, and c700 roms |
| 16:47.17 | Zxcvb | why does the new jeode need it? |
| 16:47.28 | kergoth | ask insignia, not us :) |
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| 16:58.47 | Zxcvb | does the updated jeode have anything new? |
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| 19:42.18 | heatxsink | has anyone built the binary "cisdump" for their newer kernels for the Z? |
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| 23:50.37 | tmbinc | hi |
| 23:51.05 | tmbinc | woa i just try to build a root, but it desperately fails at ncurses (everything else works.. but so much important stuff depends on that) - any helps ? |
| 23:51.24 | tmbinc | i'm using http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot stuff |