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00:53.16Xumbianyone here have experience with a 256MB SimpleTech SD card?
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01:13.26zaurus_loverhi there ... anyone got the MA701 card working with the C750 ? need tips if you have .. .
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01:17.07zaurus_loverhi rovitotv
01:17.28Xumbiyou have a C750?
01:17.45zaurus_loverXumbo .. yup
01:18.05XumbiI'm jealous :(
01:18.28zaurus_loverXumbi :) its a piece of art ! :) get one dude
01:18.39zaurus_loverif you have the dough, I'd suggest go for the 760
01:19.43rovitotvzaurus_lover hey there what is up?
01:19.56Xumbimore memory right?
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01:20.41XumbiI'm not finished playing with my 5500 just yet
01:21.13zaurus_loverXumbi :) ... thats a piece of art in its own sense too :)
01:21.20XumbiI just ordered a 256MB SD card :)
01:21.28zaurus_loverLexar ?
01:21.30Xumbivery true
01:21.40Xumbisimpletech actually
01:21.59zaurus_loverok ... I got the Lexar for $69.99 with a $20 rebate
01:22.04zaurus_loverso $49.99
01:22.18XumbiI need to replace my 32MB SD
01:22.44Xumbiyeah, mine was more, but no place seems to have the lexar in stock
01:22.45zaurus_loveroh ok ...
01:22.53zaurus_loverdid you try ecost.com ?
01:23.12zaurus_loverI just ordered mine on Wednesday
01:23.13Xumbiactually, no
01:23.20Xumbioh yeah?
01:23.23zaurus_loveryup
01:23.32Xumbidid you get it yet?
01:24.10zaurus_loverhave a look and if you can cancel your other order it'll be good ... yes, its shipped (Free ground shipping) so its on its way somewhere between texas and california :) I should get it by MOnday
01:24.24Xumbinice
01:25.00Xumbimaybe I will
01:27.01zaurus_lovertheir page says call us for availability ...
01:27.09zaurus_loverso you should try soon ... may be they are running out
01:27.13zaurus_lover:)
01:29.34Xumbihmm
01:30.36zaurus_loverare you using the 3.1 rom ?
01:34.17zaurus_loverok xumbi I'm out of here for now
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06:59.12Aimiolo?
06:59.25Aimioif you know key combo to do ctrl+c, let me know
06:59.26cleverdrahello, Aimio.
07:03.20Aimio:) I can't kill a program with fn+c ?
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07:22.17Aimiosurely `ftp` command can specify login from commandline, without script?
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09:19.16chrionixguys, how do I go about upgrading to opie 9.9? I've been going through the forums, but I can't find any info. There's none on the opie site either.
09:44.04TheMasterMind1chrionix: read the openzaurus-users mailinglist archives
09:47.00chrionixTheMasterMind1: alright, thanks
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09:51.37Aimiochrionix: note - i think CF card is essential
09:54.53chrionixIs he right? Is it a re-flash?
10:06.32wijnand?
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13:53.28Zxcvbis there any kind of opie programming for newbies?
13:55.10ljp_laptopyes, check out the wiki at opie.handhelds.org
14:00.13chrionixheya guys, quick question: Is there any reason Hancom word should not work under opie 9.9?
14:00.38chrionixi.e. Am I just botching it up somehow?
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14:03.14Zxcvb_ljp_laptop: any chance of the sharp 3.10 email client in OZ?
14:04.09ljp_laptopyou could transfer it yourself
14:04.27ljp_laptopchrionix: any error messages?
14:04.42Zxcvb_ljp_laptop: is the new email client OSS?
14:04.48chrionixljp_laptop: just that Hancom word could be started
14:04.58chrionixljp_laptop: none, during the install
14:05.31ljp_laptopZxcvb: no
14:05.32Zxcvb_the new opera doesn't support java when installed in OZ, though I am using the 2.38 Jeode
14:06.00ljp_laptopchrionix: try running it from the embeddedkonsole
14:06.06chrionixerr, Hancom word could not be started :)
14:08.11Farehum. Where can I learn about installing bigger fonts for embeddedkonsole?
14:08.44Zxcvb_ljp_laptop: so what is sharp's email client based on?
14:09.15ljp_laptopFare: you can't, really. try opie console, I think
14:09.41ljp_laptopZxcvb_: probably mailit, although they have added to it
14:10.06Zxcvb_ljp_laptop: no source to it, though, right?
14:10.10chrionixhey ljp, you have your visa yet?
14:10.31ljp_laptopnope. waiting....
14:10.50chrionixhehehe, enjoy australian procrastination :)
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14:10.57ljp_laptophmmm
14:11.02terminarhi
14:11.16ljp_laptopmy boss there said he has seen it take 2 weeks, and he's seen it take 16 weeks
14:11.44chrionixreally? That's pretty crazy
14:12.14terminari've got a small problem with openzaurus 3.2 and my anycom bluetooth cf, affix hung on btctl up and if i use bluez, i got a kernel oops :( i'm testing this since 4 days and i can't get the point why it is not working correct :/
14:20.18terminarany affix / bluez anycom cf user out there ?
14:27.11Zxcvb_ljp_laptop: where are you from?
14:27.37ljp_laptopcolorado, us
14:27.51Zxcvb_ljp_laptop: oh
14:27.57Zxcvb_ljp_laptop: where are you going, then
14:30.25ljp_laptopbrisbane, queensland
14:30.30ljp_laptopaustralia
14:31.01Zxcvb_it shouldn't be hard to get a visa to australia
14:31.39ljp_laptopwork visa.. just a matter of time, for me
14:32.37Zxcvb_ljp_laptop: ah, that would be a bit slower
14:32.47nofputerminar: with affix 2.x? same here
14:32.56ljp_laptopwell, I already got hired
14:33.04nofputerminar: try the packages from http://www.openzaurus.org/official/stable/feed/?
14:33.36terminarnofpu: yes, all the same
14:34.12terminarfirst problem with affix is the mod-usecount. every time i use btctl, the module affix is used 4 times more (lsmod shows me)
14:34.27terminarmaybe this is not a problem, just mentioned... but the other bigger problem is,
14:34.41terminari'm testing right now, entered btctl up
14:34.59terminarand the anycom led flashes for 1 or 2 seconds, and nothing happenes
14:35.31terminarbut dmesg shows me: hcidev_open: Bluetooth device opened: bt0
14:36.04terminaruntil i kill the btctl up command with the CTRL+C, it writes
14:36.17terminarhcidev_close: Bluetooth device closed: bt0
14:36.20terminarand that's all
14:36.21terminar:/
14:37.24nofpuheh - yup I get identical behavious with socket card and 2.0.2
14:37.27terminari'll retry the official stable, not the 2.x, but i think it was the same... maybe my device is broken ?
14:37.34terminarok, then it is not my cf :)
14:37.42terminari tried bluez 2.3x
14:38.14terminarthat was a little bit better... it doesn't hang, but it seems to spawn a kernel oops if hciconfig is used
14:38.33terminarwhen the hcid daemon initializes the card, dmesg shows bad stuff :/
14:39.15terminarshould i put my focus on affix or on bluez ?
14:39.23terminaris affix more stable ?
14:39.57nofpuI've had limited sucess with affix however
14:40.18terminarwhich means ? :)
14:40.33terminaryou mean same problem like me ?
14:40.46nofpumeans I've sucessfully paired with my T68i
14:40.53nofpuread sms etc
14:40.56terminarwith a socketcom ?
14:40.58nofpuyup
14:41.18terminarhm, any tip how i can fix my problem ?
14:41.25terminarit _seems_ to do something
14:41.38terminarbut i can't understand why btctl up hung
14:43.16nofputime to post to affix-support I suspect
14:43.46terminari'm looking at the lists right now
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15:51.16zaurusloveribot seen kergoth
15:51.17kergoth <~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 1d 22h 33m 18s ago, saying: 'neither soft or full reset wipes it'.
15:51.34zaurusloverhi there
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16:06.14ljp_laptophmm, I need to extend the antenna maybe
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16:15.45zaurusloveranyone know what tweaks r needed to get MA701 working on my C750 ?
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17:06.22truyey!
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17:06.51truso I want to flash my C700, what zImage should I use? or should I just compile it?
17:09.18cynhttp://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700/ but that's from like 6 weeks ago
17:09.33cynnew one anytime from now to a couple weeks
17:11.30truoh, thanks
17:15.52trucyn: I need the updater.sh too?
17:16.35cynyea
17:16.37cyniirc
17:16.48cynthere's a fourth file that sharprom has for updating that you don't need
17:16.56cynit's version or something or other
17:21.49mithrotru: i'm currently building a new c700 (non official) rom
17:22.07trumithro: cool, tell me when you are done!
17:22.16cynmithro: I'll drink to that
17:22.26cyn^ what he said
17:22.26mithroi've got the image done, now i'm trying to get xmms to work
17:23.37trumithro: where can I get it?
17:24.08mithrohttp://mithro.dyndns.org/zaurus/openzaurus/
17:24.38trusame kernel?
17:24.41truwhat diffs?
17:24.47mithrosame kernel
17:24.51mithroarrows keys work
17:25.00mithroopie is compiled with -mtune=xscale
17:25.08mithroopie 0.99
17:25.35trualrite.
17:26.36mithrothe current rom has broken arrow keys + opie 0.9.3
17:26.48trufirst time boot takes _time_
17:26.59truconfiguration of packets that is.
17:27.18mithrotru: the new image is alot more informational
17:27.31mithrotru: wouldn't happen to be a gcc wiz-kid would you? :)
17:28.27trukind of. what is the problem?
17:28.45mithrothis :)
17:28.46truD-LINK DCF-660W WIRELESS COMPACT FLASH KORT that is a ok card?
17:28.54mithro/opt/arm/toolchains/3.2/bin/../lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.2.3/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: libQPEgui.so.1.0.0: undefined versioned symbol name std::time_put_w@@GLIBCPP_3.2
17:28.54mithro/opt/arm/toolchains/3.2/bin/../lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.2.3/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: failed to set dynamic section sizes: Bad value
17:29.11mithrotru: dlinks are okay cards suppose to have not very good signal
17:29.52mithroit's got to do with the fact that libstdc++ is static and it's compiling shared libs i belive
17:29.53truseems like your crosscompiler is kind of fucked :)
17:30.11trumithro: which card is best?
17:30.16trunetgear is better?
17:30.50mithrotru: dunno which are better
17:31.04mithroi know dlink cards are suppose to work well with zauruses
17:31.13truwhich do you use?
17:31.32mithroi don't have one yet
17:31.39mithrobut i ordered a seano one
17:32.47truok.
17:33.50mithrothey are suppose to have good rx sensitivty but i havn't found anyone who has tried it under oz
17:34.03mithro(or Z for that matter)
17:36.35mithrobtw i recommend doing the following
17:36.45mithromv /home/root /home/root.sharp
17:36.57mithrocp -rvf /root /home/
17:37.02mithrorm -rf root
17:37.06mithroln -s /home/root root
17:37.12mithro(check the commands first)
17:37.22mithroas the C700 has alot of free space in /home
17:37.38mithro31mb infact :)
17:38.08mithro(do that only if you don't want to go back to sharp rom...)
17:38.10truhow to start opie then?
17:38.22trugot the root prompt now
17:38.33mithrogot a root prompt?
17:38.49cynwere you running OZ before tru
17:38.55cynif not, you need the bzimage from oz
17:39.02cyner zimage
17:39.15truyes.
17:39.26truI have not been running OZ before
17:39.49cyn.. did you copy a new zimage.bin to your card
17:39.56cynthe one from openzaurus's c700 release
17:40.22truyes.
17:40.22mithrocyn: if you do what i said about all your contact data etc stays between flashes
17:41.21mithrotru: you shouldn't have got a root prompt...
17:41.25cynthat rm -rf root command needs to know where it's running, i assume /
17:41.30cynmithro: if he didn't upgrade kernel he coulda
17:41.36mithrocyn: yeah
17:41.48mithroo the rm -rf root may cause opie to crash
17:41.53cynman
17:41.58cynmy initrd.bin still isn't finished downloading
17:42.05mithrojust do a reboot after you made the link
17:42.06cynare you sure you let it finish d/ling before going to use it ?
17:42.10trumithro: I will try your image instead.
17:42.29cynmines only at under 4 megs of the 13 megs
17:42.29mithroi only have a 12k uplink peoples :)
17:42.34cynright
17:42.47cynbut i'm saying if he did use the OZ kernel if he didn't let it finish that could be his prob too
17:44.19trumithro: do you want a mirror?
17:44.47mithrotru: yeah if you wouldn't mind
17:44.52trumithro: not at all.
17:45.09mithrouploading to my hosted website now...
17:45.27truplease people, stop downloading from mithro I will give you 10MBps mirror.
17:46.04mithroeveryone stop download from me for about 10 minutes :)
17:46.20mithroi'll upload it to a 8mb mirror first
17:46.23truok.
17:46.37truI get it from there.
17:48.21mithrolousy slow internet to my house
17:49.08mithrobah according to this it's a 20 minute upload :(
17:49.18truwhere do you  live?
17:49.23mithroAustralia
17:49.37mithroi don't pay for my internet so it's not so bad...
17:49.39ljp_laptopwhere in .au?
17:50.05mithroAdelaide
17:50.08mithromy work pays for my internet
17:50.24ljp_laptophmm, cool
17:50.57TheMasterMind1mithro: you have an oz image?
17:51.00ljp_laptopI was just checking out rentla prices in brisbane area
17:51.08ljp_laptoprental even
17:52.59mithroTheMasterMind1: i just built a new oz image for the c700
17:53.02TheMasterMind1ah
17:53.11TheMasterMind1i need a 5x00 image
17:53.23truah, we here in sweden has lot of bandwidth :)
17:56.09mithrotru: want a roomie :)
17:56.18mithro17 minutes
17:58.50mithroETA: 13 minutes
17:59.01tru:)
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18:04.04mithrotru: you didn't have any idea about how to fix that problem with the error?
18:06.00mithroETA: 4:00
18:08.14mithroETA: 2:00
18:11.16mithrohttp://apache.airnet.com.au/~tima/zaurus/openzaurus/image/initrd.bin
18:11.20mithrodownload as you will
18:16.24cyno ho hoh oh ohohhh!
18:16.54cyndnied
18:16.57cynoh i can just get the filename
18:17.23truthat didnt went well?
18:17.29cynnot found
18:18.21trumithro: 404
18:18.35mithrohrm...
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18:20.07mithrotry
18:20.10mithrohttp://apache.airnet.com.au/~tima/image/initrd.bin
18:21.18cynwork betta
18:21.27cynljp_laptop: that's fine, I'll have it before it's /.'d
18:21.35cynwhich would be never
18:22.34ljp_laptopoh your no fun..
18:23.58mithroit's very easy to move :)
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18:24.36cynwas this things up 8mb or 8kb
18:24.42cyncoz im gettin just under 9
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18:28.21mithrocyn: hrm thats a bit weird
18:29.03cynwell, 9kB
18:29.06mithroit's definatly an 8mb connection
18:29.26cynwell, i can wait 15 mins
18:30.06mithrohow do i do an "cvs update -dP" with bk?
18:31.45trumithro: bk pull
18:35.03TheMasterMind1bk pull; bk -r get -q
18:47.51mewynhrm
19:03.15trumithro: hmm?
19:03.43trumithro: I just get a login prompt after the thing is flashed and rebooted
19:06.00mithrotru: hrm...
19:06.04mithrothats not normal...
19:06.11mithrodid you flash with the correct kernel?
19:06.39truI took the kernel from http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700/
19:06.54mithroyeah
19:07.05mithrowhat happens if you login as root?
19:07.08mithrowhat do you see?
19:07.22truopenzaurus login:
19:08.39mithrotype root then enter
19:09.38truyes?
19:09.39truthen?
19:09.44mithrols /
19:09.45mithromount
19:09.46mithrodf -h
19:09.56truI only get one row.
19:10.00truso I see shit :)
19:10.06mithroahh...
19:10.12mithroopie died in the ass for some reason...
19:10.50trubusybox reset worked
19:11.00truwhat is the command to start opie?
19:11.10mithro/etc/init.d/opie start
19:11.52truok, that didnt work :)
19:11.58mithroyeah i didn't think so
19:12.04mithrobecause it should have done that on startup
19:12.11mithroyou have a c700 right? :)
19:12.22mithro(not a c750 or c760) ?
19:12.35truyes
19:12.37truc700
19:13.26mithrothis doesn't make much sense
19:13.38mithrodid you get a "Configuring Packages" ?
19:13.53truyes
19:15.03mithrodid you flash with SD or CF?
19:16.02truCF
19:16.34trudoes it have a ctrl key?
19:16.40mithrocould you md5sum the initrd.bin?
19:16.51truyes, no problem.
19:20.02mithropaste here please :)
19:20.13truthe md5sum?
19:20.50trucouldnt open fb0 when I try to start qpe manual
19:20.57tru9211beab53dca43b21db066093c6d2d3  initrd.bin
19:21.45mithrothats a bit weird
19:22.09mithroroot@gateway:/var/www/zaurus/openzaurus/image# md5sum initrd.bin
19:22.09mithro9211beab53dca43b21db066093c6d2d3  initrd.bin
19:22.15mithroso the image is fine
19:22.46mithrodo a "dmesg | grep fb"
19:22.51mithroyou should have
19:23.02mithro"fb0: W100FB frame buffer device"
19:23.46truI have that.
19:24.32mithrohrm...
19:24.40mithroi have no idea...
19:24.47mithrocan you try reflashing with sharp rom?
19:27.06tru/dev/fb0 doesnt exists.
19:27.24mithrothats a bit weird
19:28.05mithrowhat happens when you type mount ?
19:28.18tru/dev/root on /
19:28.24truproc on /proc
19:28.27mithroramfs on /dev type ramfs (rw) <- do you have this?
19:28.31tru/dev/mtdblock3 /home
19:28.34trunope.
19:28.39mithrohrm...
19:28.49mithrosomewhere along the line something caused the ramfs bit to die
19:29.05truwhich script is doing that?
19:30.14mithro/etc/init.d/devices i belive
19:30.33truramfs is not supported by kernel it says
19:30.40mithrohrm
19:30.48mithrowhat does the screen look like when booting up
19:30.50truwhat md5sum do you have on the kernel?
19:30.55mithrodoes it say "openzaurus" ?
19:30.58mithroor "Sharp" ?
19:30.59truyes
19:31.05trusharp
19:31.05mithroweird...
19:31.10mithroo wait
19:31.13mithroit says sharp?
19:31.15truyes
19:31.23mithrowhat is the name of your zImage ?
19:31.32truor wait
19:31.51trudo you mean the login or the splash screen?
19:32.06mithroi know whats causing this now :)
19:32.14mithrothe zimage must be
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19:32.19mithro-> zimage.bin
19:32.26mithrothat case and name
19:32.35mithromake sure windows hasn't mangled it if you are using that
19:33.03trume made an error.
19:33.32trurename it and reflash?
19:34.23mithrorename it on the cf card then reflash
19:35.59truseems better this time
19:36.24mithrothats good
19:37.15trufat.
19:37.20truopenzaurus!
19:37.43mithrocool :)
19:37.59truok, so next time RTFM :)
19:38.38trudo you know if multisync works with opie yet?
19:39.05mithroyeah it's suppose to
19:45.15truit doent support change of orientation?
19:46.33mithrotru: manual
19:48.02truhow?
19:53.35mithromenu -> rotate
19:59.12mithrotru: what do you think?
19:59.31mithrothere is a whole bunch of extras you can install from my (or the expermiental) feed
20:00.12mithroand you have plenty of space to do it...
20:00.41trumithro: it very nice.
20:01.01trumithro: any way to change bg?
20:02.02mithrodunno
20:03.04Twiunshould be able to do that through the launcher app
20:03.28Twiun... or was that appearance
20:03.59Twiunit's definately settable
20:04.39Twiunthere we go, launcher -> tabs -> edit a tab
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20:06.26truchanging char profile for input was not good :)
20:06.33truI think it crashed :)
20:08.05Twiuntried using the graffiti input set?
20:08.17truyes
20:08.19cynmithro: your image worked fine for me
20:08.25cynah
20:08.26TwiunI had it crash for me too, quick reset and it came back with graffiti enabled
20:08.42cynthe thing that's stopping me from going OZ fulltime is the side button
20:08.43Twiunprobably a bug in the set changing code
20:08.44truTwiun: "quick reset"?
20:08.54cynI read ebooks mainly, in pda mode, and need that little page up/down button dealie
20:08.55trucyn: side button?
20:09.01cync700
20:09.09Twiuntru: sorry, on my 5000d, flipping the battery switch==soft reset
20:09.26Twiuntru: so reboot
20:09.32truI am
20:09.36fishyWhat would you guys recommend as the best wifi card?
20:09.57yeiazeldon't know
20:10.03yeiazelonly tried the wcf12
20:10.14truI have ordered a dell card.
20:10.20fishyhow did it do yeiazel?
20:10.26yeiazelwell
20:10.35yeiazelI'm using it daily
20:10.55fishydoes it block the headphone/stylus
20:10.55fishy?
20:11.11truis it possible to sync with multisync over the usb?
20:12.12truactually. now it doesnt boot opie :(
20:13.57mithroyeah multisync should work over the usb
20:14.01fishyhttp://www.bluecom.cz/produkty/linksys/wireless/pdacard/images/wcf12.jpg <--- wow thats small
20:14.25truanyone done this?
20:14.43mithrotru: done what?
20:14.55trumultisync + opie + usb
20:15.24mithroi havn't tried it but people have reported success on the multisync list
20:15.31truhmmm
20:15.54truI think opie is not working anymore
20:16.15mithrothats not goood
20:16.30mithrowhat did you do?
20:16.31trucan I reset the opie config in anyway?
20:16.43truswitched to graphiti input.
20:17.03mithroi havn't tried the graphiti input method
20:17.34truwell, can I boot and reset the config in anyway? or do I have to reflash?
20:18.15mithroif you are on the console you should be able to remove the config file then reboot
20:18.21mithrotru: just try a reboot first
20:18.22truI am not.
20:18.31truI have rebooted like three times.
20:18.41trubut i fades the screen a bit then just hangs.
20:19.43mithroo thats bat
20:19.48mithrotry a reflash then
20:21.42truwell then you know that that is not working :)
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20:36.05mithroi don't even have graffiti showing on my inputlist
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23:06.42truwasnt opera avaible for zaurus?
23:07.31TMM1um
23:07.31TMM1yes
23:07.40truwhere?
23:08.11cleverdratru - it comes with the SL-5000 and SL-5500 Sharp ROMS.
23:08.26trualrite
23:08.37truis it better then konq?
23:10.37TMM1no
23:11.11tru:)
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23:28.56truIf I want to code against opie, is it the qt/embedded doc I should read?
23:30.15Solar[X]http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php/DeveloperSection seems like a good start
23:37.03truthanks
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