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| 00:38.37 | cleverdra | mmm, OZ booting for first time on my SL 5500. |
| 00:39.34 | fishy2 | :) |
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| 00:59.49 | cleverdra | yay, OZ is wonderful. |
| 01:00.40 | fishy2 | ya |
| 01:00.49 | fishy2 | I agree |
| 01:01.06 | TheMasterMind1 | cleverdra: heh, finally you see the light |
| 01:01.56 | cleverdra | Similarly: I saw the light as soon as I got my CF card this morning =) |
| 01:02.05 | cleverdra | well, more like just a minute ago. |
| 01:02.42 | cleverdra | I mean, the light part, not the CF part. OZ seems more like what I would've expected from a Linux PDA. |
| 01:10.18 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 01:12.15 | TheMasterMind1 | which oz version |
| 01:36.30 | cleverdra | hm, is it normal for a basic (no added software, etc) OZ to freeze when coming out of standby? |
| 01:36.56 | kergoth | if its on the cradle, yeah |
| 01:37.11 | kergoth | thats the infamous suspend/resume on cradle hang |
| 01:37.30 | kergoth | we have a workaround .. if you install the usbd-common package from the feeds |
| 01:37.35 | TheMasterMind1 | =D |
| 01:38.29 | cleverdra | Great, I'll get that. |
| 01:39.24 | cleverdra | hm, if it's infamous, why isn't there a FAQ? |
| 01:39.28 | kergoth | cleverdra: its actually a bug in the usbd drivers from lineo, and isnt seen in sharp due to timing differences..we just exposed it |
| 01:39.32 | kergoth | cleverdra: cause nobody submitted it |
| 01:39.34 | kergoth | cleverdra: feel free |
| 01:40.14 | cleverdra | kergoth - ah, OK. Twice. |
| 01:40.27 | cleverdra | master - I'm using the stable 3.2 |
| 01:40.41 | kergoth | usbd-common isnt in stable i dont think |
| 01:40.47 | kergoth | dont recall |
| 01:45.27 | cleverdra | kergoth - there are three usbd- packages in the testing/unstable 'main feeds', and none of them are usbd-common. |
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| 01:45.59 | kergoth | then the feed updater guy forgot it |
| 01:46.04 | cleverdra | ah, 'experimental' |
| 01:46.05 | kergoth | bipolar_away: cough |
| 01:46.15 | kergoth | bipolar_away: put usbd-common into unstable |
| 01:46.45 | cleverdra | err, no, I'm looking at a c700 feed. |
| 01:47.00 | kergoth | the usbd-common package from there would probably work.. |
| 01:48.04 | cleverdra | OK. Trying. |
| 02:08.42 | fishy2 | pkgmanager complains about symlinks when I try to install packages onto ram. |
| 02:08.52 | fishy2 | anything I need to fix? |
| 02:09.05 | fishy2 | just tried it on SD card too |
| 02:09.13 | fishy2 | (ext2) and that didnt wotk |
| 02:09.15 | fishy2 | work* |
| 02:10.13 | albert_ | What did it say? |
| 02:14.23 | fishy2 | failed to link /mnt/ram/opt/QtPalmtop/help/en/html/opieirc/configuration.html to /opt/QtPalmtop/help/en/html/opieirc/configuration.html |
| 02:15.59 | fishy2 | dont worry |
| 02:16.07 | fishy2 | imma gonna reflash my Z |
| 02:16.38 | albert_ | I seem to get that often also |
| 02:16.40 | albert_ | Not sure why |
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| 04:07.47 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 07:50.48 | chrionix | hey all, is there a key combination for the {} brackets? Or do I have to use the stylus? |
| 07:55.16 | wijnand | i believe its something like fn+( |
| 07:55.28 | wijnand | or fn+sshift+( |
| 07:56.34 | chrionix | tried fn+shift+( |
| 07:57.29 | wijnand | hm |
| 07:57.35 | chrionix | ahh ha! fn+shift+< |
| 07:57.42 | wijnand | right that was it :) |
| 07:57.46 | wijnand | knew it was something like that |
| 07:58.48 | chrionix | awesome! |
| 07:59.28 | wijnand | :) |
| 08:01.32 | chrionix | fn+shift+c creates a "|_| |
| 08:01.37 | chrionix | type symbol |
| 08:01.41 | chrionix | Is that tab? |
| 08:02.14 | chrionix | actually, it's prolly more like: |__| |
| 08:02.21 | wijnand | thats what people use to indicate a space |
| 08:03.04 | chrionix | oh. |
| 08:03.44 | wijnand | do you know whether the Z uses less power when i shutdown than when i suspend or is it similar? |
| 08:04.54 | wijnand | lol when i do fn+shift+c i get a Euro symbol |
| 08:05.33 | chrionix | Obviously, I'd have to assume you use less when you actually shut down, but I'm not sure with flash memory, maybe it allocates a space of memory to write the maintaining state information |
| 08:06.04 | chrionix | are you using a c700 or something Wij? |
| 08:06.09 | wijnand | nope, 5500 |
| 08:06.14 | chrionix | wow. |
| 08:06.18 | chrionix | peculiar. |
| 08:06.25 | wijnand | heh yeah |
| 08:06.29 | wijnand | oz 3.2 |
| 08:06.36 | chrionix | I'm using tkcEditor, maybe it's just program specific |
| 08:06.40 | chrionix | yeap, OZ 3.2 |
| 08:06.41 | wijnand | but i do have a 5500G (although that shouldn't make any difference) |
| 08:06.47 | wijnand | i was using tinyKate |
| 08:07.20 | wijnand | do you get [] for fn+shift+, and fn+shift+bckspace |
| 08:07.23 | chrionix | Is that any good? I was going to use it, but got tkcEditor instead? |
| 08:07.33 | wijnand | yeah i kind of like tinykate |
| 08:07.39 | chrionix | fn+shift+backspace |
| 08:08.02 | wijnand | didnt get the latex syntax scheme from big kate to work and the one for tinykate only gives me shades of grey but other than that yeah its nice |
| 08:08.22 | Twiun | getting a box instead of a character simply means the character doesn't have a glyph for it in the font file |
| 08:09.01 | wijnand | yeah thats true |
| 08:09.34 | wijnand | in text editor i get boxes in stead of euro symbols |
| 08:10.15 | Twiun | need to roll up a qpf font with the euro symbol in it :) |
| 08:10.39 | Twiun | although I'm not quite sure how you'd go about ensuring that |
| 08:10.54 | wijnand | i changed to helvetica and got my euro symbol |
| 08:11.49 | Twiun | hrmph. so it completely depends on the font |
| 08:11.57 | Twiun | have you tried the vera fonts yet? |
| 08:12.08 | wijnand | yeah thats what it was on originally |
| 08:14.23 | Twiun | so vera's missing some glyphs - or they're not getting incoded in the qpf version |
| 08:14.34 | Twiun | could you try the ttf vera fonts on a desktop to check? |
| 08:14.53 | wijnand | not sure if i have it |
| 08:15.37 | wijnand | in fact quite sure i dont |
| 08:18.29 | Twiun | http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10/ |
| 08:25.11 | wijnand | do i get to logout of X before this works? |
| 08:26.45 | Twiun | both gnome and kde have stuff to install fonts - and use them straightaway |
| 08:26.57 | Twiun | or are you talking about X on the Z? |
| 08:27.04 | wijnand | nope KDE |
| 08:27.33 | Twiun | it's under lookNfeel for kde |
| 08:28.29 | wijnand | thats Appearance in the new version i believe, so far all i see is font settings, nothing to add new ones but ill keep looking |
| 08:29.07 | Twiun | ok |
| 08:29.28 | Twiun | afaik, you should also be able to drop the .ttf file in a .fonts dir somewhere |
| 08:29.37 | wijnand | yeah thats what i did |
| 08:30.41 | wijnand | right, i got it |
| 08:31.49 | wijnand | and i have a euro symbol as well |
| 08:32.05 | Twiun | cool - so it's lost in the .qpf encoding process |
| 08:32.18 | wijnand | apparently yeah |
| 08:33.26 | Twiun | not too sure who maintains the vera fonts though - file it as an opie bug? |
| 08:33.59 | wijnand | could do... where? :) |
| 08:35.35 | wijnand | right |
| 08:35.36 | wijnand | here |
| 08:36.16 | Twiun | http://www.opie.info/bugs/ |
| 08:36.37 | Twiun | best search the bug db first - someone else might have submitted it already ;) |
| 08:36.53 | wijnand | im at opie.handhelds.org and overlooked the top link :P |
| 08:37.06 | wijnand | i need a username/password to file a bug |
| 08:37.47 | wijnand | ah filed for a new account |
| 08:41.24 | wijnand | Twiun: i searched for vera and for euro, neither showed me this bug... will that do? |
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| 08:47.19 | wijnand | Twiun: could it be that i have vera-light installed and that vera-full does contain the symbol? |
| 08:47.51 | Twiun | want to give the full one a try? |
| 08:47.59 | Twiun | just in case |
| 08:48.08 | wijnand | its not on the opie feed though |
| 08:48.27 | Twiun | lemme put my built ones up |
| 08:49.16 | Twiun | http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/qpf-bitstream-vera-full_1.10-3_all.ipk |
| 08:51.51 | wijnand | there is jeode for oz? i thought that was a sharp rom thing (i saw that on your page) |
| 08:52.53 | Twiun | jeode for OZ is only jeode for Sharp, extracted and installed on OZ |
| 08:53.25 | Twiun | we can't provide packages of jeode - but sharp's 3.10 ROM has an applications zip that contains a jeode ipk |
| 08:53.46 | wijnand | yeah i downloaded that yesterday, want to quickly check out the new rom later |
| 08:54.45 | Aimio | hmm, can't remember where .ipk's go |
| 08:55.20 | wijnand | what do you mean? |
| 08:56.16 | Aimio | they've moved the location were ipk files go in rom v3.1 |
| 08:56.56 | wijnand | i dont get it---dont you just either drop them on your CF card or get them from a feed? |
| 08:57.08 | Aimio | not with the 3.1 rom |
| 08:57.33 | wijnand | oh? |
| 08:57.46 | Aimio | odered a CF card ages ago so I can get OZ on there but it hasn't arrived |
| 08:58.35 | wijnand | i ordered mine before i ordered the Z :P |
| 09:00.41 | Aimio | :) I've rescued this Zaurus now :) |
| 09:00.48 | wijnand | how? |
| 09:01.11 | Aimio | well, usbdnet kept crashing so:- |
| 09:02.31 | wijnand | Twiun: is this description of the problem ok?---Summary: Vera font does not contain euro symbol---Desc: The desktop ttf version of Vera does, however the qpf version does not. (using both qpf-bitstream-light-1.10-3 from opie 0.99 feed for zaurus and the full version) |
| 09:02.59 | Aimio | 1) borrowed windows 2) started ftp server 3) plugged in /set up zaurus in cradle 4) scripted ftp to download troll-ftpd.ipk 5) installed that 6) then had an easier way to start installing fdisk and all the other stuff the 3.1 sharp rom missed out :D |
| 09:03.43 | wijnand | heh if i run into problems ill just flash back to oz (which i will anyway) |
| 09:04.11 | Aimio | :D same here if my order ever comes though |
| 09:04.35 | Aimio | shoulda gona down the road to a photo shop :p |
| 09:04.45 | wijnand | lol |
| 09:05.11 | wijnand | brb |
| 09:06.00 | Twiun | wijnand: any other missing symbols other than the euro sign? |
| 09:18.58 | Aimio | hmm, I can't seem to download anything from sourceforge |
| 09:19.45 | wijnand | lemme check Twiun |
| 09:20.37 | wijnand | doesnt look like it |
| 09:21.02 | wijnand | although |
| 09:21.17 | wijnand | if i dont use the keyboard but the unicode map i get more missing symbols |
| 09:21.50 | Twiun | umlauts and accents? |
| 09:22.43 | wijnand | they're there but not the latin-extended A (think scandinavian) and greek symbols |
| 09:23.42 | Twiun | best make a note about those being missing too - we're trying to make OZ+opie as accessible as possible |
| 09:24.31 | wijnand | yeah i changed the message |
| 09:24.42 | wijnand | i labeled it Trivial, that ok? :) |
| 09:25.03 | Twiun | I have no idea ;) |
| 09:26.04 | wijnand | heh |
| 09:31.56 | wijnand | http://www.opie.info/mantis/view_bug_page.php?f_id=0000968 |
| 09:31.58 | wijnand | there we go |
| 09:37.22 | chrionix | hey guys, someone here mentioned that it was possible to find perl modules precompiled for arm processors. Anyone know where I could find some hints to lead me closer to these packages? |
| 09:37.47 | Twiun | ipkgfind.handhelds.org is a good start |
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| 09:38.20 | Twiun | debian also have arm-compiled packages on their mirrors |
| 09:38.59 | pb_ | morning |
| 09:39.14 | wijnand | hi pb |
| 09:39.24 | chrionix | Twiun: okay, thanks |
| 09:40.03 | pb_ | OZ 3.2 uses the 2.4.6 kernel, right? |
| 09:40.13 | Twiun | yup |
| 09:40.35 | pb_ | Twiun: thanks |
| 09:40.51 | Twiun | pb_: 2.4.19 is definately not yet ready |
| 09:41.06 | wijnand | Twiun: but it'll be in 3.3/3.4 right? |
| 09:41.45 | Twiun | wijnand: it's scheduled iirc, but I don't work on that bit so best check on the news page |
| 09:41.58 | wijnand | yeah |
| 09:55.06 | jdh41 | I think kergoth was saying it needed some stuff adding to handle power switch and a few other "cosmetic" stuff. In other words it should work, but don't expect everything to work quite right |
| 09:55.32 | wijnand | but itll definitely be done for 3.3 |
| 09:56.00 | jdh41 | dunno, try the openembbeded wiki's OZ todo section |
| 09:56.11 | wijnand | ok |
| 09:58.40 | pb_ | Twiun: if someone wanted to take the 2.4.18 kernel from the 3.1 retail ROM and drop it into OZ, what would be the chances of it working? |
| 09:59.19 | pb_ | I have a dude asking whether he can use one of our products with OpenZaurus. We don't have any drivers built against the 2.4.6 kernel and I don't really want to have to compile them. |
| 09:59.36 | chrionix | Twiun: Is it possible to install .deb files with ipkg? |
| 10:03.36 | Twiun | pb_: you'd have to drop in all the 2.4.18 modules from the sharp retail rom too - not too sure how that would turn out |
| 10:04.03 | Twiun | chrionix: I believe so, but I've never tried |
| 10:04.49 | chrionix | well this ought to be interesting :) |
| 10:14.24 | wijnand | has anyone of you ever tried the Crow/Cacko rom? |
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| 10:23.05 | Aimio | lo |
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| 10:33.08 | Aimio | hi |
| 10:33.42 | Aimio | hopefully the new `CONFIG_USB_USBNET` works same as usbdnet :) |
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| 10:47.01 | chrionix | Anyone in here do any perl dev on their Z? |
| 10:48.42 | Aimio | not me |
| 10:53.49 | mithro | any coding genuises about? |
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| 10:55.10 | wijnand | not me |
| 10:57.38 | chrionix | arg, Twiun was right, I installed some modules for it, but perl doesn't recognise the importing of packages. |
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| 11:32.08 | Fare | hum. libsidplay won't cross-compile |
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| 11:51.47 | dj-submerge | hi |
| 11:52.34 | Fare | lo |
| 11:53.04 | mithro | Fare: yeah i found it wouldn't cross compile with 3.2 dunno about 2.95.2 |
| 11:53.40 | Fare | ok |
| 11:53.51 | Fare | it's not like I've got C64 music files, anyway |
| 12:10.15 | Fare | hum. |
| 12:10.25 | Fare | What's the usual technique to develop? |
| 12:10.35 | Fare | you cp -a something from buildroot |
| 12:10.40 | Fare | then you diff it? |
| 12:17.00 | mithro | nope edit it in buildroot |
| 12:17.07 | mithro | and then can get a patch out of bk |
| 12:17.19 | mithro | make sure you bk edit any file you change |
| 12:21.52 | Fare | I mean, if I modify something in the built sources, rather than the buildroot meta-information |
| 12:21.58 | Fare | like, modifying the kernel, etc. |
| 12:26.05 | Fare | http://ftp.cvshome.org/cvs-1.11.5/cvs-1.11.5.tar.bz2 => NOT FOUND |
| 12:28.04 | dj-submerge | hmm I'm trying to install libstdc but i've got a dep problem , libc is missing. Can some one help me ? |
| 12:28.36 | Fare | dj-submerge: pick a precompiled toolchain |
| 12:28.54 | Fare | or are you trying to compile the latestest? |
| 12:29.14 | dj-submerge | Fare: nope just got it from the pimprint project... |
| 12:29.29 | dj-submerge | Fare: do you know an other url where I could get it ? |
| 12:30.12 | Fare | /msg ibot toolchain |
| 12:30.45 | Fare | (I use the "old" OZ toolchain from /msg ibot other-toolchains) |
| 12:31.13 | dj-submerge | sorry i don't know what ibot is... |
| 12:31.23 | Fare | mithro: what sound app do you use? |
| 12:31.49 | Fare | you don't have to know - just type the command /msg ibot toolchain |
| 12:45.10 | mithro | how does one use botmail? |
| 12:45.38 | Fare | ibot: botmail? |
| 12:45.39 | | Fare: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 12:45.51 | Fare | what's botmail? |
| 12:46.02 | mithro | it's something you can do to leave mail on the bot |
| 12:47.36 | mithro | bah i'll just write real mail |
| 12:48.15 | dc_ | hehe |
| 12:52.39 | ljp_laptop | as is postage stamp snail mail? |
| 12:56.59 | dc_ | is england we have postmen, not snails. |
| 12:57.02 | dc_ | ;-P |
| 12:57.31 | pb_ | you wouldn't think it, judging by how long post takes to reach my village. |
| 12:58.11 | dc_ | well okay, in east sussex we do :) |
| 12:58.20 | ljp_laptop | in the us, we have snails deliver mail |
| 12:58.50 | dc_ | how cool is that. |
| 12:58.51 | ljp_laptop | slugs in the warmer climates |
| 12:58.55 | dc_ | well not effiecient. |
| 12:58.57 | dc_ | but cool. |
| 12:58.58 | dc_ | hah |
| 12:59.12 | dc_ | huge armys of snail |
| 12:59.27 | dc_ | that deliver your UPS computer parts. |
| 12:59.37 | dc_ | oooooooooooh, ximian install is slickkk,. |
| 13:01.42 | dc_ | is only all installers were like this. |
| 13:02.36 | Fare | in France, we have sharks deliver mail |
| 13:02.45 | dj-submerge | what is the difference between libc and libc6 ? |
| 13:03.00 | dc_ | Fare: via the cannals? |
| 13:03.01 | Fare | well, they deliver a small paper, and if you don't pay huge taxes on things, they don't deliver them. |
| 13:03.15 | dc_ | Fare: or they eat you! |
| 13:03.22 | Fare | either way, they eat you |
| 13:03.33 | Fare | you can only choose which piece of you they eat |
| 13:03.55 | dc_ | sounds pretty bad. |
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| 13:04.07 | NoRemorse | heya |
| 13:04.08 | NoRemorse | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.24 | Fare | NoRemorse: ipkg remove everything? |
| 13:05.31 | Fare | ipkg remove libc ... oops |
| 13:06.05 | cyn | ipkg what NoRemorse |
| 13:06.39 | Fare | ipkg install nasty_virus_from_redmond |
| 13:08.42 | NoRemorse | I selected apdm, ipkg, and a couple of other packages in aoipkg |
| 13:08.49 | NoRemorse | or whatever the app is called |
| 13:09.05 | NoRemorse | nah I selected upgrade not remove |
| 13:09.25 | NoRemorse | anyways, things happen for a reason, now I can get off my butt and install 3.2 :) |
| 13:09.39 | NoRemorse | does the kernel in 3.2 have mppe support by any chance? |
| 13:12.00 | Fare | wh'ats mppe? |
| 13:12.31 | NoRemorse | encryption for pptp |
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| 13:13.35 | NoRemorse | 3,2 is dl's, I need ny pcmcia slot for the cf card copy, so bye bye |
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| 13:16.57 | NoRemorse | hi again |
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| 13:19.59 | NoRemorse | what kernel is on oz3.2 pls? |
| 13:20.00 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:20.18 | elron | NoRemorse: embedix 2.4.6 |
| 13:20.31 | NoRemorse | ah ok when is 2.4.1`9 gonna make it in? |
| 13:20.33 | NoRemorse | 19 |
| 13:20.48 | elron | sometime maybe |
| 13:20.59 | elron | chris larson, the main developer, is busy with his new ob |
| 13:21.06 | elron | it could take several weeks like several months |
| 13:21.07 | NoRemorse | yeah I read that |
| 13:21.51 | NoRemorse | he make it around here much anymore? |
| 13:21.58 | Fare | new ob? |
| 13:22.09 | Fare | myob |
| 13:22.52 | NoRemorse | hmm I am glad I keep everything in an sd and use a 64/0 image |
| 13:22.58 | NoRemorse | makes it easy to recover |
| 13:24.16 | NoRemorse | what gets me is after ipkg trashed my zaurus, a "full reset" didnt load it back on again, like it should normally |
| 13:26.15 | Twiun | you're forgetting that a "full reset" on OZ has a different meaning to one done on the Sharp ROM |
| 13:26.34 | NoRemorse | yep. |
| 13:26.42 | NoRemorse | doesnt it basically unzip the image again? |
| 13:26.43 | cleverdra | What does a full reset on OZ do? |
| 13:28.49 | Fare | erase the RAM |
| 13:30.11 | NoRemorse | and..... |
| 13:30.25 | cyn | and that wouldn't help you if you use all your RAM as RAM |
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| 13:31.38 | cleverdra | No, I'd say that it wouldn't. |
| 13:34.16 | NoRemorse | how do i get my zaurus to look in /mnt/card/bin automatically? |
| 13:35.20 | dj-submerge | NoRemorse: add it to the PATH in /etc/profile |
| 13:36.07 | NoRemorse | ta |
| 13:36.16 | fishyonZ | I have a simmilar question, I formated my sd card ext2 and now it dosent auto-mount when I insert it |
| 13:36.32 | fishyonZ | but it does mount when i mount it manually |
| 13:37.47 | NoRemorse | wierd |
| 13:38.09 | fishyonZ | and it still has the entry in /etc/fstab |
| 13:41.25 | fishyonZ | :/ |
| 13:49.05 | NoRemorse | when I select "stable" in Packages app, rather than installed, it doesnt show anything? |
| 13:49.16 | NoRemorse | oops update lists |
| 13:55.48 | NoRemorse | catcha |
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| 14:05.19 | Fare | ftp.cvshome.org is down, so I make -k to skip cvs_clients |
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| 15:44.20 | Fare | has anyone got the tarball for cvs in buildroot? |
| 15:45.21 | kergoth | er? |
| 15:45.43 | kergoth | oh, version change upstream |
| 15:46.18 | cyn | the location changed |
| 15:46.23 | cyn | 1 sec |
| 15:46.57 | Fare | kergoth: should I bk update or anything? |
| 15:47.08 | cyn | http://ftp.cvshome.org/release/archive/cvs-1.11.5/cvs-1.11.5.tar.bz2 |
| 15:47.12 | cyn | is the new location |
| 15:47.22 | cyn | i just tweaked my Makefile w/ that location |
| 15:47.42 | cyn | but yeah -1.11.6 is now latest |
| 15:48.36 | Fare | kergoth: if I start modifying an application, what should I do to be able to diff/patch/whatever and contribute to the buildroot? |
| 15:49.08 | kergoth | if you're modifying existing files, you can bk edit them, make the changes, and do bk -r diffs -u |
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| 15:49.29 | kergoth | if you'd adding new files, that wont work, so you need to bk ci and commit, or bk citool your changes, then export the changeset you create |
| 15:50.01 | Fare | kergoth: would bk -r diffs -u work for packages??? |
| 15:50.19 | Fare | or only for stuff in the buildroot itself |
| 15:50.23 | kergoth | what? |
| 15:50.30 | kergoth | oh, you mean stuff in build/ |
| 15:50.46 | Fare | yeah, uh, wherever |
| 15:50.47 | kergoth | for that, you can either cp -a the tree you're working on over, so you can diff -urNd it |
| 15:50.55 | kergoth | or, you can use patcher, from scripts/ |
| 15:51.01 | kergoth | which makes it *really* easy |
| 15:51.14 | Fare | ok |
| 15:54.16 | Fare | opie complains about OPIETOOTH not being defined by the .config... |
| 16:03.27 | Fare | ok, it prompts for opie config... |
| 16:03.39 | Fare | hum. |
| 16:03.55 | Fare | mithro: you here? |
| 16:05.48 | kergoth | forget to bk -r co -q? whats it prompting for? |
| 16:05.51 | kergoth | just hit enter at the prompts |
| 16:11.24 | Fare | ok |
| 16:11.53 | Fare | in which file(s) are the keymappings defined? |
| 16:12.09 | kergoth | Fare: keymap for what? |
| 16:12.16 | kergoth | depends on what device, also |
| 16:12.17 | Fare | opie / konsole |
| 16:12.22 | Fare | corgi |
| 16:12.29 | kergoth | corgi obeys the kernel keymap |
| 16:12.38 | kergoth | so build/linux/drivers/char/corgi_keymap.map |
| 16:12.41 | kergoth | or something similar |
| 16:12.51 | Fare | how come the arrows are reversed? |
| 16:13.01 | Fare | i.e. left/right and up/down pairs exchanged |
| 16:13.04 | kergoth | thats fixed in bk |
| 16:13.07 | Fare | ok |
| 16:13.10 | kergoth | they're not reversed |
| 16:13.14 | kergoth | they're unrotated |
| 16:13.17 | Fare | ? |
| 16:13.18 | kergoth | the screen is 270 degrees rot |
| 16:13.21 | kergoth | cursors are 0 |
| 16:14.05 | Fare | oh, ok - that's because corgi and collie have different ideas of what is the rotation of the screen when the keyboard is being used |
| 16:14.29 | kergoth | no, collie has nothing to do with this |
| 16:15.02 | kergoth | the physical orientation of the screen in collie is such that normal operation needs a 270 degree rotation |
| 16:15.14 | kergoth | and collie's keyboard code in qt has a rotation as well |
| 16:15.19 | kergoth | for the cursors |
| 16:15.52 | Fare | you mean the screen is not a VGA 640x480, but really a 480x640? |
| 16:16.17 | kergoth | yes, when you flip to portrait you're actually going back to rotation 0 |
| 16:16.18 | kergoth | iirc |
| 16:16.31 | kergoth | if you hit the O menu -> rotate, the cursors will then behave as you'd expect |
| 16:16.41 | Fare | that's crooked. |
| 16:17.02 | kergoth | I fixed the keyboard handler to rotate the cursors, but never got around to releasing a new oz c700 image |
| 16:17.07 | Fare | ok |
| 16:17.25 | Fare | was last week's bk ok? |
| 16:17.41 | Fare | or should I try again? |
| 16:17.42 | kergoth | yeah, i fixed it weeks, if not months, ago |
| 16:17.48 | Fare | ok |
| 16:17.49 | kergoth | like days after the release of the last image |
| 16:18.24 | Fare | I'll wait for a working image to have been produced before I start hacking a bit. |
| 16:18.49 | Fare | btw, I'm also interested in porting linux to the jornada 820 |
| 16:19.05 | kergoth | are there any projects existing to do that yet? |
| 16:19.06 | Fare | it only has 16MB RAM, and you must use a CF card for memory. |
| 16:19.30 | Fare | kergoth: yes and no - there are various hackers that I have gathered together |
| 16:19.37 | Fare | but nothing very active |
| 16:19.54 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:19.58 | kergoth | s/memory/storage/ |
| 16:20.06 | Fare | I think that once the toolchain is ok, it should be easy enough to get the fb working. |
| 16:20.27 | Fare | hopefully, the keyboard will be much like on the 720 or 680 or whatever |
| 16:21.06 | Fare | Is it ok/easy/whatever to put OZ/OE on a ext2 partition on the CF card? |
| 16:21.21 | kergoth | Fare: buildroot can produce ext2 images |
| 16:21.36 | kergoth | wonder if it has a tarball output form yet |
| 16:22.30 | Fare | I have split my CF into 40MB for vfat and 216MB for ext2 |
| 16:23.22 | Fare | so I can both flash from CF *and* have a real filesystem |
| 16:23.30 | kergoth | yeah, thats a good way to do it |
| 16:23.41 | Fare | (and I can put swap space on the vfat partition when linux is up and running) |
| 16:24.09 | Fare | what's a good way to have the ext2 image work on both the corgi and the j820 ? |
| 16:24.59 | cyn | i thought there was a slight performance hit on a swap file vs. a swap partition |
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| 16:28.09 | Fare | well, the main performance problem comes from the CF technology, anyway |
| 16:28.52 | Fare | at worse, you can tar the vfat, mkswap it, and mkdosfs it again when you're done. |
| 16:58.05 | Fare | arm-linux/bin/ld: libkeyview.so.1.0.0: undefined versioned symbol name std::time_put_w@@GLIBCPP_3.2 |
| 16:58.14 | Fare | ouch |
| 16:58.19 | Fare | what did I do wrong? |
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| 23:01.20 | mithro | ibot, seen kergoth |
| 23:01.21 | | kergoth is currently on #opie (1d 52m 46s) #uclibc (1d 52m 46s) #picogui (1d 52m 46s) #zaurus (1d 52m 46s) #elinux (1d 52m 46s) #openembedded (1d 52m 46s) #handhelds.org (1d 52m 46s) #openzaurus (1d 52m 46s). Has said a total of 403 messages. Is idling for 29m 26s |
| 23:05.03 | mithro | hey kergoth, get my email? |
| 23:12.17 | kergoth | mithro: yeah, so it may be easier eh.. is there a way to get to it from a method of the qwsserver? |
| 23:13.11 | mithro | dunno yet |
| 23:13.15 | mithro | but i have to run now |
| 23:13.23 | mithro | i'll investigate a bit more... |
| 23:13.34 | mithro | i think the hardest part would be the section section... |
| 23:13.37 | mithro | anyway see you later |
| 23:15.34 | kergoth | k, ttyl |
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| 23:31.22 | cleverdra | Do I need to do something special on OZ to mount (or access at all -- even mke2fs can't see the device) an SD/MMC card? The device is /dev/mmcda1, yes? |
| 23:31.50 | rumich | cleverdra - is sdmgr running? |
| 23:32.22 | cleverdra | Yes, it is. |
| 23:32.44 | rumich | does dmesg display anything when you insert it and pop it out? |
| 23:32.52 | cleverdra | It's status is 'S', with 0 time. |
| 23:33.07 | cleverdra | ...so maybe it's stopped. I'm not familiar with this display. |
| 23:33.32 | rumich | I normally just use a konsole myself and "ps ax" it. |
| 23:34.02 | cleverdra | Yes! |
| 23:34.13 | cleverdra | cmd [ 55 ] response [ 05 ] |
| 23:34.23 | cleverdra | ..then [ 04 ] as response. |
| 23:34.31 | cleverdra | VFS: Disk change detected on device mmcd(60,1) |
| 23:34.44 | rumich | Ah then! the problem isn't hardward. |
| 23:34.48 | rumich | oops hw. |
| 23:34.56 | rumich | maybe your sdmgr is wedged. |
| 23:35.09 | cleverdra | It has the '[ 04 ]' 'sd:cmd' response six times, though. |
| 23:35.20 | rumich | to restart, open a konsole, and type /etc/init.d/sd stop |
| 23:35.20 | cleverdra | five 'disk changes' detected, just inserting the SD card. |
| 23:35.26 | rumich | and then /etc/init.d/sd start |
| 23:35.38 | rumich | or... just reboot :-) |
| 23:36.00 | cleverdra | "device or resource busy\n sdmgr." |
| 23:36.03 | cleverdra | I'll reboot =) |
| 23:38.43 | cleverdra | hm, but I still can't see the device. |
| 23:38.57 | rumich | weird.... let me check something. |
| 23:39.53 | rumich | how are u trying to "see" the device? |
| 23:40.25 | cleverdra | mke2fs |
| 23:40.31 | cleverdra | mke2fs /dev/mmcda1 |
| 23:41.02 | cleverdra | or mount, or fdisk. |
| 23:41.06 | rumich | have you any idea what fs is on the card now? Or the paritioning scheme it's got on it? |
| 23:41.28 | rumich | ant what was the error output from mke2fs or fdisk? |
| 23:41.39 | cleverdra | It probably has FAT16, since that's (?) what Palm uses. It's a retail SD card for Palm, with games. |
| 23:42.19 | rumich | I wonder if palm has a funny partitioning scheme or something proprietary on that.. |
| 23:43.04 | rumich | also you could try turning on extra logging... |
| 23:44.04 | chrionix | hey all, anyone here do any perl dev on their Z? |
| 23:44.19 | rumich | nope - python though :-) |
| 23:44.33 | rumich | cleverdra - /etc/init.d/syslog start |
| 23:45.49 | rumich | cleverdra - then use logread. |
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| 23:46.29 | cleverdra | just more of the same |
| 23:46.55 | cleverdra | date openzaurus syslog.err klogd: sd : cmd [ 55 ] response [ 05 ] |
| 23:46.58 | cleverdra | -- and then the same with [ 04 ] |
| 23:47.18 | rumich | it seems as if the hardware is seeing it fine... |
| 23:47.22 | cleverdra | ... openzaurus syslog.err ... cmd [ 55 ] .. [ 04 ] |
| 23:47.44 | cleverdra | ... syslog.debug klogd: VFS: Disk change detected on device mmcd(60,1) |
| 23:48.11 | rumich | just a check - you did fdisk /dev/mmcd - not /dev/mmcd1 right? |
| 23:48.16 | cleverdra | are the [ 04 ] messages bad? Might it be on another disk? |
| 23:48.38 | rumich | re the 04 messages - no they're fine. |
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| 23:49.16 | cleverdra | No, I did /dev/mmcda1... but /dev/mmcda gives the same error, as does /dev/mmcd |
| 23:49.34 | rumich | hmm interesting - I just tried fdisk /dev/mmcda on my card (which works fine, and fdisk core dumped! |
| 23:49.39 | rumich | oops ! |
| 23:49.45 | cleverdra | "Unable to open /dev/mmcd" |
| 23:49.55 | rumich | /dev/mmcda |
| 23:50.35 | cleverdra | Likewise. |
| 23:51.09 | rumich | ok... I'm truly out of ideas now... sorry. for reference the device you want to fdisk is /dev/mmcda |
| 23:51.27 | cleverdra | Is there a /proc that'll give me information on CF/SD cards? |
| 23:51.29 | rumich | the mke2fs should be on /dev/mmcda1 once you're sure the parition table is ok. |
| 23:51.36 | rumich | hmmm... let me check. |
| 23:52.06 | rumich | cat /proc/devices |
| 23:52.22 | rumich | you should see a block device assoc with the mmcd |
| 23:52.27 | rumich | mine says 60 mmcd |
| 23:53.03 | cleverdra | Yes, I see that. |
| 23:53.22 | rumich | cat /proc/modules - do you see sharp_mmcsd_m |
| 23:53.36 | rumich | (or type lsmod) |
| 23:53.41 | cleverdra | Also, /dev/sda appears to exist (mke2fs warns that /dev/sda is an 'entire device'), but is an 'unknown device' for mount. |
| 23:53.58 | cleverdra | Yes, I see that modulue. |
| 23:54.09 | cleverdra | sharp_mmcsd_m somenumber 1 |
| 23:54.20 | rumich | afaik, oz and the sharp know nothing about sd, and just treat an sd as an MMC. |
| 23:54.44 | cleverdra | Well, I have the proprietary SD modules installed as per 3.2 default. |
| 23:55.07 | cleverdra | SD ipkgs, anyway. I don't see any modules that seem related. |
| 23:55.35 | kergoth | sda = scsi, not secure digital |
| 23:55.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:55.38 | rumich | well, it it were me, I'd stick that card into a card reader and reformat it from there... |
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| 23:56.02 | rumich | hi kergoth - thanks for your work on OZ.... |
| 23:56.20 | cleverdra | Only card readers I have are Z and a Palm. |
| 23:56.24 | cleverdra | hm. |
| 23:56.39 | rumich | pop on over to a bestbuy or something and reformat it there ;-) |
| 23:57.04 | rumich | anyways, i gotta go - sorry I didn't solve your problem... |
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